From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 11:31:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACCB2D0715 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 11:31:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA7A2D07F2 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 11:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q41H5epr021004; Tue, 1 May 2012 13:05:40 -0400 Received: from core-mhe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.129]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A9605E0000B6; Tue, 1 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) References: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> To: mark@bradakis.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Andrew S. Mace" X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 149.10.144.120 by Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.159) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 May 2012 13:05:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF5D3C1E56D96-19D0-24E14@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [149.10.144.120] Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335891940; bh=RNvv8onIJUWPkEEYffyr2XeFM2j9Dd5jS3ZVJhQzTAM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iUa/vP0wesa31PCJhf0S3dx8DJLm5EVtcMyjEK+00PtMX0Koj+ysRnHeR5WDI3nwx 1DwF0cLKvmbrxNaXeQ2Wk9D0i/EMWM/2EcbHDoEioK4UEDRarjmp632acwAliOrovJ 6bSPyAoCL0MaCfYeQjxcuQG08Q4BVfyIvivTQ6fI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:440625632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 2 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc4fa017e034a4 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Nice enough car. Too bad someone painted over the trunk and hood hinges...I'll bet they probably painted the underhood areas black, too. :) :) :) Seriously, do you sort of feel as if Ken Richardson and others are watching over your shoulder as you work on this car? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:06 pm Subject: [TR] Commission numbers Working at a repair shop again, one with a decided interest in British cars. I'm trying to keep track of the commission numbers of all the cars I work on at Bailey's [ http://baileysautomotive.com ] For example, the Austin Healey 3000 I worked on is HBJ829679. I haven't written down the number for the MG Midget 1500 I started pulling the motor out of today. Most likely I won't remember many by heart, there will be a database on one of my computers involved, no doubt. But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the brake light. That number I can probably remember: http://bradakis.com/Images/tr.jpg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 11:33:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF6F2D0898 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 11:33:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.truedefense.com (mail05.truedefense.com [216.69.224.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AAE2D0826 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 11:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otnoex1.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.3]) by mail05.truedefense.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q41HEnHi062285; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JPayne@ThorCon.net) Received: from otnoex0.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.4]) by otnoex1.onthenetoffice.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 10:14:49 -0700 Received: from EX1HTS01.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.31]) by otnoex0.onthenetoffice.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 10:14:49 -0700 Received: from EX1MBX01.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::f9f4:b916:4b54:5534]) by ex1hts01.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::dcca:855d:bb32:dc3f%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:14:48 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'Triumphs'" Thread-Topic: [TR] Commission numbers Thread-Index: AQHNJ0dVod+Tgj/jpUeMchH4YJn8epa1LKrQ Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:14:48 +0000 Message-ID: <5891B364A7C3594B9466304B59E65B1C1A63261A@ex1mbx01.onthenetoffice.com> References: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [172.16.12.67] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2012 17:14:49.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9FBD4F0:01CD27BD] Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How does the new owner like it? Robert Smith of Volcano HI sold the car recently. For a peek at Robert's collection, check the 1934 Morgan 3 wheeler for sale on ebay. Robert is an avid collector and a really good guy. Jonas Payne PBR Cell: (702) 358-5084 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:31 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Commission numbers Working at a repair shop again, one with a decided interest in British cars. I'm trying to keep track of the commission numbers of all the cars I work on at Bailey's [ http://baileysautomotive.com ] For example, the Austin Healey 3000 I worked on is HBJ829679. I haven't written down the number for the MG Midget 1500 I started pulling the motor out of today. Most likely I won't remember many by heart, there will be a database on one of my computers involved, no doubt. But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the brake light. That number I can probably remember: http://bradakis.com/Images/tr.jpg mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpayne@thorcon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 13:07:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F073F2D082C for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 13:07:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0B12D0787 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 12:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPHgw-0003fx-P0; Tue, 01 May 2012 13:20:50 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 13:20:38 -0500 To: Mark J Bradakis ,Triumphs From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> References: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120501190731.F073F2D082C@autox.team.net> Wonder if it still has my thumbprint on the inside of the spare tire cover... Tony Drews At 09:31 PM 4/30/2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >Working at a repair shop again, one with a decided interest in British cars. >I'm trying to keep track of the commission numbers of all the cars I work on >at Bailey's [ http://baileysautomotive.com ] For example, the Austin Healey >3000 I worked on is HBJ829679. I haven't written down the number for the >MG Midget 1500 I started pulling the motor out of today. Most likely I >won't remember many by heart, there will be a database on one of my >computers involved, no doubt. > >But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the >brake light. That number I can probably remember: > >http://bradakis.com/Images/tr.jpg > > >mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 15:07:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8128F2D087D for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:07:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99FFA2D0627 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 14:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 20:44:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.162] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 20:44:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 20:44:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 789444.4489.bm@omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57906 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2012 20:44:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335905075; bh=nN9ifbvWMeoPin9UMmY+IEvEFolxUdd3qNNlrveMdOY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=15stAaXU1kkkArvozw2JnfOzLyRhvdRsMU0Rkg04HBBwlQDcmmKeQzI3I2MRsPQQleSEWSgyk3mCJAfGmZ43IMpPAqaPvIeW65vEWtU+PQNnci8d1HUTKK38jWlW6jD91nKmCU4TofVuhOnvCZQnEpS0r1Dbh0HyOhKf7rEMWic= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DAKqA05NCP0Sfn5rACqhBLjYo+o5w/zECNPsw6S9Jhs6CafoH+LgBkKHaglPgHzzjMGcF3lvLIlwBBUGjI6p6LiGHcj2tz0bRQm2/d/zM7CmRQScvQiaajhfdCoPgisymDbuza0QFXLgXQrTIBdW6kk6Kv/P9JSy5he572PoTCQ=; X-YMail-OSG: wJmOX98VM1k12j1QAYAd5nRZGmirlzQMLmhCLltCgb2zr7P 63zCWo_Coo5W_FVWSbzdm6i7NA20wDdn6OZYdeFjq75RQ1V_JT2l1W0u9I2K DFceAbN3Dv_Sr34c2c3JFrJfiyKQfg7M2D33mko3SRw340BFj6UN1Agwsoh. znBjKYlIqbElajK3mvADRLkdJCVTa1KKZIN2Xakc5MzRSlFSkdJKWCCxCwq. NpCfCsL48MxAl2og7Oe4.QAoMIXLXGJgy3qeSwh3cRWJg7fQf4j8d78S4y.3 Eaz0atu2fC3IRoRNqrPQJ9mGra1pJ6514ddf3f.NN3UjkAjgN4ZaN85XzmH1 Oe9aCu1mRBSaQ.SNAiHDhjNBpAb8k9lol7p1hDtJfP0Pdrq6JdvkInR_FUve 3YFhJ.CZ6wBd8.OuuFBoTJlKa013HcS_Vraml60huMzO45AfHfl6zw20Aqua ZzXqojHsvgGQQoWy2slzGF.BL Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 May 2012 13:44:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120426131731.1BC222D07B4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1335905075.17790.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 13:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "tfansher@comcast.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <20120426131731.1BC222D07B4@autox.team.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Off to the Mitty X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net well i got to the Mitty and had a great time. Thomas, i could not find you anyplace. kept asking strangers if they where Thomas and kept getting funny looks. same story for the rest of you guys too. when i saw a triumph flag i would ask if any one was from the autox list. more strange looks. one guy from the Georgia triumph club was kind enough to ask what autox was. when i told him he suggested i tweet him! but i did meet Joe Alexander finally. nice to meet you Joe. and what a treat to see his new car. sexiest triumph made in America. Joe, what was your son's car number? ill scroll through the 500 or so photo's i took. what a sight to see all those triumphs on the race track at one time. and the paddock and surrounding car parking was packed full of really nice triumphs. Georgia triumph club came out and made all other marques look pitifully. maybe see some of you next time Frank Fisher To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: [TR] Off to the Mitty On I-75 just above Gainesville, Florida headed to Road Atlanta. Three TR6's not far behind. Looks like beautiful weather. Tom 73 Stag this trip Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 17:39:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567DA2D0751 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:39:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632AE2D02D2 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q41N6IiP017134 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:06:18 -0400 Received: from core-mec002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mec002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.46.197]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A537EE000085 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:06:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Loumetelko@aol.com Message-ID: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:06:17 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 34 X-Originating-IP: [69.215.14.94] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335913577; bh=b3OSMAJqtTmooYCgSV2hXmXs2o8FM5j0y0FIprrZsFc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CYKm4msroYz7JHMcCQYS/cn68MEqe6I/kDP0FIqEh0Rtv/7+DvAbBhmJCzHqXWCAg QV9MM25JJPCx/o0GGqXIOnxXgWhzrypSVUyClh1/Ul0sYXM8mAx+GyRHH+XX0pDePC rOI1xKgClXOsvA0QNK4lhjONgPnIJCNl+dYgHKnE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495278208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4fa06c693169 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the brake light. That number I can probably remember: Mark: Thanks for the delightful photo of the very beloved TS1. I first met TS1 in Joe Richards' shop back in 97 or so and later in 2003 when Joe unveiled it in Auburn at the TRA National I hosted. Words can not begin to explain what Joe started with compared to its finished look. On another list the new owner said his goal was to "improve" TS1 - that very thought just terrifies me. Would be like some dolt painting a smile on the Mona Lisa! Sincerely hope before any so called improvements the new owner gets opinions from Joe or Bill Piggott or John Saunders. Please Mark, gently quiz the owner about his plans for TS1 and what improvements he has in mind. I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more than criminal! Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 19:12:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9982D0271 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:12:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02CF02D032F for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 00:37:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 00:36:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 00:36:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 203270.52514.bm@omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 24507 invoked from network); 2 May 2012 00:36:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=Krw1kYQwPTY3G/NDp6l7mxOIhOf1eKglatcJfsYpbWSvgSz4mFDMu2NydLzaTGjwMapVpLPXDXPDi0sdElDya+hZMzpj3L+igLjm8XegHNRIueea6rUdvKLsbD12Pczp8l7shXAtw0aVVPrCoN+oFItUMW2os9eznqf7L8FN6Vc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1335918994; bh=7cTrAp9j2lCZiUA/5yvek9W7X4divPjnCdcBSfXCF0A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=p3WxfHcCdRBr3zUTOLv+qVBSA/A/W7/SsMyGnLxG4woldA/ttwCZL6064CcpURRgS/Gi+DOPrR7G/l47pGzAwgDZ+xrv+TmmpvX/trhWcfN5OmnD3UHKopjmkYFJY19zI/m4J6ohG+CIM39gEy/04XLWI0dFhVNvEBOs+806+hE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: u5nfsBIVM1k2BYqbnGd37QlHi.3hy287PAUx4EAneKesmdB 2g8wwa2gxOCvv5qGXPDrxpaK0IkY3TMzapVZJdCiDe7nDCLXIOSjxX5PdWb2 ZUv7kjSVKIEO3CErkNPhoJgBa2cf8qkThIwjkTwokg9T1Z9K9vim0yhakPea ksLI2W1OFZUfb38_YoUzrRs4k2IA8K0tfeeVFfJSx34a5uS6DMnZFmhptXms o7NCx6yHX3pfuGzHs9pckCYdq8I8VT2K.xaOsyalZmk7pWsefxjTg2BQNh4X LQeWHEeOgARl.b9eWocmbSvR_GJFqtl43W.3cILpJQw4bi5cCmxYENljUisb M7ZqDyU8dVztc8jUI8duCfy9GKM9cNPBnRuU0zsR30xvXXYM9h8sYCV615sO dfv5yt0KmJqJcg10FELKAt1t8Qfn55txZmORBB_Yy6ECqUJdtgW8GRjX5lg1 ZvnvzK51ppu0t.BiydK712WC.ngwq1WbsnFJTN2frBaGHrq_8Hlc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 May 2012 17:36:34 -0700 PDT From: To: , References: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1624C544C9DA4810B49B55A1384F876B@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0n9BFWnwVD6APbRBWYaZTuj4oChAAB1/WQ In-Reply-To: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All this gets me to thinking, is the whereabouts of TS-2,3,4,5,6,7,8 & 9 known? My feelings are square with Lou, keep it original. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Loumetelko@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:06 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the brake light. That number I can probably remember: Mark: Thanks for the delightful photo of the very beloved TS1. I first met TS1 in Joe Richards' shop back in 97 or so and later in 2003 when Joe unveiled it in Auburn at the TRA National I hosted. Words can not begin to explain what Joe started with compared to its finished look. On another list the new owner said his goal was to "improve" TS1 - that very thought just terrifies me. Would be like some dolt painting a smile on the Mona Lisa! Sincerely hope before any so called improvements the new owner gets opinions from Joe or Bill Piggott or John Saunders. Please Mark, gently quiz the owner about his plans for TS1 and what improvements he has in mind. I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more than criminal! Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 19:14:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650082D085F for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:14:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56E42D0775 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=b8EHR3PyZOkLVtBunuMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:45223] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4F/DE-05935-61480AF4; Wed, 02 May 2012 00:47:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:46:57 -0700 Message-ID: <00ab01cd27fd$1489b270$3d9d1750$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0n8/COFcS3f6oEQseKDtDr4xiY+AACCrUw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so > pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be > more than criminal! Oddly enough (given my usual stance on such things), in this case I agree. The comparison to "improving" the Mona Lisa is apt, IMO. Although I do have to wonder just how much of TS1 is actually still the original car. It may be a little like George Washington's axe at this point. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 19:31:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C92D0218 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:31:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s15.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s15.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCAD2D02E4 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT123-W26 ([65.55.90.8]) by snt0-omc1-s15.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 17:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.212.159.186] From: Rich White To: TR owners List Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:53:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> References: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2012 00:53:40.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[03C87E20:01CD27FE] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Lou Metelko wrote: > I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so > pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more than > criminal! Normally I would be one of those who would say that it is the owner's choice, but some cars are too important to history. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 19:44:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F277E2D0851 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:44:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CFE232C0956 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.160] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 01:15:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 01:15:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 701554.96542.bm@omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78460 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2012 01:15:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335921325; bh=yERlIBK6gk/2BkS+EQFKTSTvEWXSV6fxZ+FJCoSkvqc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Oz56HYWp/gOtvueB9jRhocQ5ef+TDaM9+5Tx7V/sx67WfEILQmcoVgZT8+sFPESjV9izbbWu8Iu9Q6rWnKadAawbj8gvDHcvkM1sQPLvPdyrdbvDmivuAt5EcuAfsgurRe8CRR3LFB4Z+l/9JWTXEnsjLir5unwyjOx+m9mywMU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AA3iyPM/fHVg+F2l6ue6Zfed4rbpDQa9gnCAektkhECylIJ61yhi5pFPVCUxJVtiUbE+WL+NBr6xNWCDun6CiyhTEZa0YMO/3KXoK1XIBcaQLNWmN2vZCS5iFjRC3YMKhCVlAotLFre5DNAgyODTusazUJ5p1qv05uoAelXWb28=; X-YMail-OSG: dX7iFqAVM1lJdjkIrKSSMSNjpmfdj49KmnSy9bLgwZvFJHo vWgRHIUgme9KB9eEBKRtUcZuYIXwe3tV833H1YtQMpGxdzwymzLQOMsvKb3N m0ihvkkd5YTHEmmtq0JuTUusSvGYt3CoblA3LIGNTKg5F93X5lkOoIIMK83V AFy87rwYTAyAsjqxn4Uc8tXlYdzaOlZQvbTx5qUN6ky8qYYcgNZ6zchqxX31 r_D2fipnKzLQ8dORcS5OY5ADSvjzQTHvkcimBTsGDIphBi1z6DIxXGOaLm5v 3RC13CGeNAhOoB6shiF0MgNzQ854Y_lCm_KgigI9LI_ey5.T17.1AN50QqAP QBW8XNcQ1iNfnUjDnyX.76Wd29WtsE9lZ_DjnyKY1_mG7A2ZBDOQdvtPmQmr TZ7Fh4vq6WhCEJJwp7M.A2ThPnDl18_xVN8jUHUNC4QUYISEJCpiLIQkNqqz HWxzreARKmrnVZ4F4zmG1DpBA2KOqTiriQycnY1IZXJzi.B5a_fv3FpPKbqT ZtTVMupyXmuMk2FQO74yJCmjcWs84XDp3gZpRPEMKl8UrdEU8PO.RiYgN8.J D_.02nP9m5YzowgF00VSVf080lB2mt85nr.GhSU8JRDsON2LG9Hb5aFMgg5M DLrg3ij_1tUpjs4rMye2PsI1cq8cETL3Vv0hInAqVYVyrtSt10U31DsTTbeS BMR4wb7fj5woVelRZl3H5VbF6s0udwErQn6OXWDefUg-- Received: from [173.60.99.213] by web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 May 2012 18:15:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> <1624C544C9DA4810B49B55A1384F876B@bboffice> Message-ID: <1335921325.67562.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "wbeech@flash.net" , "Loumetelko@aol.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1624C544C9DA4810B49B55A1384F876B@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my recollection is that TS-2 is safe in the UK. i remember seeing TS-3 up for sale out of the Netherlands, but it was in poor shape and the guy wanted both legs and arms for it. Frank From: "wbeech@flash.net" To: Loumetelko@aol.com; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers All this gets me to thinking, is the whereabouts of TS-2,3,4,5,6,7,8 & 9 known? My feelings are square with Lou, keep it original. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Loumetelko@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:06 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the brake light. That number I can probably remember: Mark: Thanks for the delightful photo of the very beloved TS1. I first met TS1 in Joe Richards' shop back in 97 or so and later in 2003 when Joe unveiled it in Auburn at the TRA National I hosted. Words can not begin to explain what Joe started with compared to its finished look. On another list the new owner said his goal was to "improve" TS1 - that very thought just terrifies me. Would be like some dolt painting a smile on the Mona Lisa! Sincerely hope before any so called improvements the new owner gets opinions from Joe or Bill Piggott or John Saunders. Please Mark, gently quiz the owner about his plans for TS1 and what improvements he has in mind. I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more than criminal! Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 20:30:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6392D02AC for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 20:30:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8A42D0496 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 20:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0A12E022 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 20:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FA0973B.9050306@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 20:08:59 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net References: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com> <8CEF5D3C1E56D96-19D0-24E14@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEF5D3C1E56D96-19D0-24E14@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew S. Mace wrote: > Nice enough car. Too bad someone painted over the trunk and hood > hinges...I'll bet they probably painted the underhood areas black, > too. :) :) :) > > Seriously, do you sort of feel as if Ken Richardson and others are > watching over your shoulder as you work on this car? > It's just some beat up old piece of crap, people. Who is Ken Richardson? Okay, seriously, I didn't spend that much time working on it, spent more time just daydreaming, thinking of various things like how Ken stole my pen after he autographed my trophy from the Covington VTR back in, uh, 91? I was going to offer to take pictures of anything anyone wanted to see, but the owner picked up the car this morning before I got to work. His Healey was there for a week or so, his MGA is still there, but TS1 came and went quickly. And speaking of going quickly, here's a quote from an old article from Peter Egan about running a modern recreation of the Mille Miglia, which kind of echoes some sentiments I had about TS1: Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 20:33:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6252D08F1 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 20:33:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E482D075A for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 20:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so127955lag.14 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 19:09:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=8ieS8SGjAiEmBkWuysuZgHsVDOEiVAjYpmLlSgiXX3k=; b=GbEHl2nr83yG40g7ZPcAfE4ZmEje+e8nZBpxNsTCoqagfoQsNMIF+YsimPlf/d0bQE 1/LQgEr10aFT2GOPy3mrt8PP9nza2XmbTWC2GjpDW3Ep8nu+6gc0JKBNUFmBgO7yhG6x PtdxyokuPN0pwtP0o6Nsrl0SzfWDm3JuG9gAItnD74tcb7J8u5vw5K0xx32a69/S5+Dv 7l0JPE73jN4s9iEhwFnc13oUdgi7vh1fuwj/qXjlhdtEauChSgTIoyVCCuiO5xCidkux Hv6/EcMYbq83NjQCGdy6//TZYPiPs8Jp1TLBKE37H1+ypoABjlXeTUbRpzzIrVvIoFg9 0l7g== Received: by 10.112.99.198 with SMTP id es6mr12090520lbb.66.1335924592419; Tue, 01 May 2012 19:09:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.76.194 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:09:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: To: Rich White X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: TR owners List Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I remember seeing TS1 in it's garage pre-restoration around 1980-1981. What was achieved with that restoration is remarkable, and I'm delighted TS1 still exists. The car started as a heavily rusted project, that while mostly complete needed an enormous amount of work. Possibly a different frame adapted to the unique details of TS1. The idea of originality is great. Conservation classes at concours events is a welcome development in support of originality. I don't think TS1 would fit into that class, though... Don 1962 TSF202L TR3B On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Rich White wrote: > Lou Metelko wrote: > > I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so > > pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more > than > > criminal! > > Normally I would be one of those who would say that it is the owner's > choice, > but some cars are too important to history. > Rich White Central, IL USA > '63 TR3B TCF###L > That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 04:31:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229712D0282 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 04:31:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CB6D2D0658 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 04:03:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 10:03:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.109.128] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 10:03:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 10:03:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 281824.40768.bm@omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28834 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2012 10:03:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1335953024; bh=7WJvw/2RvLb1qPTSievG7T1ZNO19OTCzrJI6WGtutLc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XU+braFKFKvDDauejIBtPeWCA285OiQQ8Jj1PY/9Eo5B7SueaXI2oDuUj6nXGw19+xaFZPeE/kTLS8fypbpYkk47Zs+EFLRSpdy8cnH9IZJOKefJ1j/BKF7TRYqe4DmIhjb4YjAF3R3K2doB6PJzXDpu1n8Z1twfkYP3v4SBJf8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PUKwuejXbNefZpiAk4dvQs0BladC/itsNsS1D3xt+Ebp+GCXKAj6NFZgIjklX4c6TxY8mDrrdvfEatnTPVbUes7w1TWiJlwcKCisQcERgZWjE5BGp/mDbrkk+OIFbsikEIKRki+DAEgZK2z8O+SxwHRDq53xc1+zbEtuIfN48Fc=; X-YMail-OSG: TC4lY.wVM1mpeyfqO5SJQWwgPjmdgp.kSj9G0xdWcGlb4B_ J2o9wKRCq46AfBTxqWQvyc02raO10FixO9kWTKWHY2bb2wbxzWX7A3kUBqLl qAv8SNRmNDn67ILc2gR7DHCWDe3gzNkdqPFe4LpHnbobukhqLayfladcMDGH rl52Esn.6xYpp5Jr0sHfMsgs.0eDhr9dBBkcRcq9KG_9BhiRPOe1VXN1KGen yFHcR_MoaHqm6s9msVRADEXoIJHJFKXLeyHfwq9gisEv7p.o7W.abagtMZSb qILmErsi4_9y7CYpbPgf8zTzlJRDoUv6oTdCqEcsErLC_Te3GrpMZcKq8aFA ibYCWzy5.EDUanKglYKvQdZqX1YIN127dOg7osr5b204- Received: from [79.75.91.76] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2012 11:03:43 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4582.2fcd373.3cd1c668@aol.com> Message-ID: <1335953023.58559.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:03:43 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Don Hiscock , Rich White MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: TR owners List Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don Hiscock wrote:The idea of originality is great. Conservation classes at concours events is a welcome development in support of originality. I don't think TS1 would fit into that class, though... But when it comes to 'originality' - especially on any cars up to about the first ten of a new commission number, originality is highly subjective and questionable. This was one of the issues in the rebuilds of TS1 and TS2 as at the time they were built, there were certain components and techniques used which affected appearance (if not function). This was confirmed to me by the man who rebuilt TS1 when I met him and the car at Watkins Glen in 2008. These variances don't just go for Standard-Triumph but pretty well any mass-produced post war British car. At the moment, I know Joe Pawlak of ISOA in Illinois is finding similar issues with LD2 - the first Stag imported into the USA and mostly a car, like LD1 and 'x' number of others that were largely half built in the Experimental Department and not, as popularly believed, on the assembly track. he same goes for 312 VC, the 'first' Spitfire, 'first' GT6. Indded, the first TR5 started life as a TR4A. Why? Because with the best will in the world of forty plus years ago, it simply wasn't possible to co-ordinate all your suppliers to get their piece of kit to the right place on the right day and just in time to have it fitted. This is why initial deliveries were so slow immediately after new model announcement. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 06:57:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE982D0272 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:57:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17CB32D045F for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 12:34:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.51] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 12:34:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 12:34:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 838260.21430.bm@omp1051.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72530 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2012 12:34:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335962080; bh=nktfrZvyLi+TEg1ZBTiLvnVNC1cT4riJoGIkJReLlIw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Crs0nEJ0uxKfygjW3scM0h91ZRlnMc3ChepDx5HLmRIVqPQzjps7HB+3WnWgqO48KReK3wKyrAwqXJfD3uUqEemYUPAyx9zCebcp3uPn3/7/na7JIlxUKhVp43ObBItQI7bAD6xROkUNJot/I/TPmGfor0EZDSW51fLuZE0rM+Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EEgsvnRxEwzGbEP1Sm0CjlyhKEA85lxUuzCBOc5fplbb5m+H/ZBd2Eaag1YEZ9VlDhUfSMZMfWfc6bSEpFdPT25PkV6rHGX1lCO/6lz1CGduuLQvtV1qWrwHzu5cb4IQKtO8FJn1re8YY9kOViBGyShnBoiBBfzvdrtrpiXYdhQ=; X-YMail-OSG: ABVtkWMVM1nkxm4hNHosU.WaHU3cuXnKo.fmhp3kYUdTclt ow9DKvFWcrt6WteJjsmJaVLunYbvOtqbyRBrdn3ng40dyZoJ8UcH_SOBau7j pleeKfEGTk.dr3vc7QaoJfCh2CTYygyiZhkzGRW3amMJiUr_4Z526xsIfCD7 swgwkuUndpHD1n5BT6KKihTRriDBC3siilMSdf6yDE0lUcpj5r4Beu3Vtv15 b4bzJ5GRo8OTb8gKI4CDnKdtcg.ExokMwI2DWdcilMOXn5UjdiUtbNvb1QAZ zWX7WKJ.guCDj4Ct1l2yZh5XrBMXnP1QYCQCp2KHZYFhWSMKQnpm8Lu3rdyF C87WNo.nKcQeTH3t0s6Ln3qE6xBLOa_nWF7cpPxWhned6kCMI4sMUscsFiOY XqBk_NF.uWSayWi3tTQ0Iois3iRdTuRGdE_Aj0aPdhmbGeswml4ZLZniAwdR TZjeVOV9qw9XakejY Received: from [96.240.91.193] by web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:34:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1335962080.71173.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 05:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Commission numbers- TS1 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cosmo Kramer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! I agree with Randall's philosophy on cars in general. I also agree with Lou M's philosophy. Therefore, it throws me into a quandary of Socrates' philosophy of, "What is right?" I, too, was at TRA '03 when Joe did his unveiling of TS1 & Don E. was all over TS1 while Joe R. was giving his lecture & passing out his literature on TS1. I've contacted Don E. after his taping of TS1 to as him how he was coming along on his editing. His reply was, " I haven't had a chance to do that yet". Since then he has had a stroke & did recover, as much as one can recover from such a fate. I've lost contact with Don, but may be this will inspire me to do a little more follow through. I'm sure we ALL have some "projects" that we're "Going to get around to it to do.", but I'm telling you NOT to wait to get a-round-to-it, because life is short. The problem is that we have a tendency to think like a youngster, "I'll be here tomorrow", UNTIL some major happening hits us to the point of not being able to recover to "The way I use to be." That's when we have the regrets of, "Gee, I wanted to do that, but now I can't. Gee, I should have made the time to do it." This subject is bring a tear to my eye, because I'm just as human as the next person, & I'm thinking about all my 'old friends' (now dead- from illness or war) That never got a chance to 'Get a-round-to-it'. I have seen TS1 & have only 32 pictures of it form Watkin's Glen '08, when a popular mag. photographer was taking a series of pictures of TS1. Joe R. was removing the hood, opening the bonnet, or installing the tonneau cover, & I was right behind her taking many of the same pictures that she was (but I'm sure here's were better because of her camera & being so much closer than I.). If anyone is interested in viewing these pictures, then feel free to contact me. Lou, that statement you wrote about the newest owner 'making it better', also scares & bewilders me. I can't think of anything that would keep the historical value of TS1 & make it better, because I know Joe R. did do a TERRIFIC job on the restoration. -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 09:57:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE3E2D062A for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 09:57:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFAD2C0CDD for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 09:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170132pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3E00IWYHY6I2K0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 02 May 2012 10:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.91.70 ([131.247.91.70]) by vznit170132 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2012 10:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 10:06:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <8443986.1215997.1335971166671.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [131.247.91.70] Subject: Re: [TR] TS1 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe the new owner has more money than sense. It is currently documented to be as close to original as possible (even acknowledging JonMac variancies). To change it beyond it's original configuration would really decrease the value of TS1. As a collector/investment - I doubt the new owner would want to fall down that hole. jm2cw. Carl On 05/01/12, Loumetelko@aol.com wrote: But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the brake light. That number I can probably remember: Mark: Thanks for the delightful photo of the very beloved TS1. I first met TS1 in Joe Richards' shop back in 97 or so and later in 2003 when Joe unveiled it in Auburn at the TRA National I hosted. Words can not begin to explain what Joe started with compared to its finished look. On another list the new owner said his goal was to "improve" TS1 - that very thought just terrifies me. Would be like some dolt painting a smile on the Mona Lisa! Sincerely hope before any so called improvements the new owner gets opinions from Joe or Bill Piggott or John Saunders. Please Mark, gently quiz the owner about his plans for TS1 and what improvements he has in mind. I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more than criminal! Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 11:02:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200992D08D7 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:02:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5B52D0BC0 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 10:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm8 with SMTP id m8so1201884yen.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 09:09:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7V3Q7tEwKc6UAlL0ZYjvlpAyRJuo1gP/zRqp5ZLZ2BY=; b=iXXu4TVrnBJ73ZaeYdRPEQ8oFYm/oHuR/mC0nxu1F2KhLZQuNPfJRAf1GCbXxgw9Xz Nmahxbo1FSN0uHJVKnSK7hb5VpQsipQZMd4NyXGd9LFTruJiHCagj3UXG15k/M6b8IC0 pz4UBPGRRdSeO+k8GSKasoPfpjH/W/vKez5GGmQBA+RktDQysoxp2EAM7E0wKzqzgVOp 0iUG43LOQaSzEW1qaAdQjbFGGk7dsYG5ZWQQC+4/6Yv8Tp5VD9Xq+AmOn2DEYMT1GAGR hIj0TXMenCiAv3OcD41CZqHciyl9tSOo2NeJXQSpvHo1OmrPy7lugAOZbIf4HXRtvN7l 3Xuw== Received: by 10.60.2.6 with SMTP id 6mr8856196oeq.21.1335974959958; Wed, 02 May 2012 09:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-35-219.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.35.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm2447410obn.1.2012.05.02.09.09.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FA15C2C.9020108@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 09:09:16 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8443986.1215997.1335971166671.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> In-Reply-To: <8443986.1215997.1335971166671.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Subject: Re: [TR] TS1 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/2/12 8:06 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Maybe the new owner has more money than sense. It is currently documented to be as close to original as possible (even acknowledging JonMac variancies). To change it beyond it's original configuration would really decrease the value of TS1. As a collector/investment - I doubt the new owner would want to fall down that hole. > So I take it that this means converting TS1 into a stretch limo is out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 11:04:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486E02D0A4C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:04:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C8B2D03D9 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 10:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so811869lbj.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 09:12:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=triumphclub.se; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rB1CyRmr4l1E/6E8ywbcp5AF+lqTS0GPUwq0zJpnM7Q=; b=LwCmutq9myonGc8LTZZTyuHNxaGdA+b08rmC2sTj0aVno4Lb7UPPg3eS12vfBBVKvq l+qryFbHp92brGP6s2/BWaN2xX03munSPzyR4dP0tuEZoLS/gaHqS72V7GE7CJehXBl7 uQosgRrWi203Uyqu+hxeGCyjNWYjoL3X/H3gk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=rB1CyRmr4l1E/6E8ywbcp5AF+lqTS0GPUwq0zJpnM7Q=; b=DGCJoy3numqXqslB9iXz5filftibl6qTqohkdSoygEiEVVdWpzDBFzbjtE6ExxB5n0 H8e1nGJ6kgWd0/zpzHIGURVuWYbi7mQ/ie+IK2YMlDy3F0bdQ19nyswfWlE6Q1hUV1D+ S2kXVkRK4hKqb9AaH3V4HXv9JjXz/WdpMar/QWstQftwCo0+zAFH2R8IreBvVjE773iL L/yLk9LV3lsOEDHP5ofUJLTpNnCKdhlSviiVWKaFk3fZccwA0TfZMinyMDj6sf+FjJuu y8tHnEGbaN6ucYnip8HRXSEX6ZFDUYAcqOLB2nQb2vdhPRixNdMlIG+luePi1Vp4A+m7 wGUw== Received: by 10.112.42.100 with SMTP id n4mr13713107lbl.90.1335975170111; Wed, 02 May 2012 09:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (81-235-139-114-no63.tbcn.telia.com. [81.235.139.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j6sm2955414lbl.0.2012.05.02.09.12.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 09:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FA15CFB.9030600@triumphclub.se> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 18:12:43 +0200 From: Odd Hedberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn+NQJFeMfXc6z9d2hAw/Jr/EIX+nYluw9BaTS1RlK3GBj5/HodQKGKvaY6RiwF3bbIf44U Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 188 - TSx whereabouts? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, TS9L is safe and well here in Sweden, where it's been ever since new - I think. Body EB10 and engine EB45E. /Odd PS John, LD8O is here as well... triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote 2012-05-02 12:03: > All this gets me to thinking, > is the whereabouts of TS-2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9 known? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 11:05:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEB12D0ADA for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:05:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8672D0400 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 10:17:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so818622lbj.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=aIgIq2nV22rK54aXax59WHQfA++aJaHbrmHs4NgmGBs=; b=I2hC2d7yUewbVMSc1ClAAgHznQ/Q+tLDGTWQ4YnMSgHI4n5LAoLc8gPmrGk5aNPGyM aTNZ49tagYWYxyl5GbAub/fDG1Xv+8U/Tm8bQ8JGuEEJ5eOzhmKlCxE1AgMZDn1ZG7im qUObylXZyYoKNvLwmfsFg/h/5s2XT/7txUq831cu/wO+WvGAs2qvJ+nZRAqseq897EBY nDm91rfVuuf1lAhHvTfWDdSgIFdqzafphfI6hpQgOOQS+lMhAJxDK+PBrr07RO5eQbxf K21DNY4SiVq4t0dFLKGk51XQP3pg8RUCxGNn716TIhTLbF/L56Rc9i1b3wRF7qKJVTQV 5W9A== Received: by 10.112.85.200 with SMTP id j8mr13783467lbz.80.1335975494188; Wed, 02 May 2012 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.76.194 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2012 09:17:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8443986.1215997.1335971166671.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> References: <8443986.1215997.1335971166671.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:17:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: Carl TR X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TS1 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's my understanding the entire lower half of TS1 has been rebuilt, as close to the original in as many ways as they could make it. That's consistent with my memory of seeing the car pre-restoration in the early 1980s. Maybe someone here can give us more details. Something can only be original once. This car is no longer in that category. While we're all happy the car was rescued, let's be clear that it was *restored*, not *conserved*. TS1 isn't a time-warp car -- it was a near-basket case brought back. My wish is that any owner be "sensitive" to the car's historical importance. But any owner has every right to do whatever he wants to a car. There are other cars out there that are in much more original condition for which conservation is a more important consideration. The long-door TR2 from the former Harrah's collection, for example, is a 9000 mile survivor virtually untouched since the mid 1950s, is fully intact (and still a runner, in the considerate hands of a member of this list). There's one that needs to be saved from non-original upgrades! Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L (which was hit by baseball-sized hail last weekend in Saint Louis while parked outside the shop completing final assembly after a full restoration. Ugh!) On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Maybe the new owner has more money than sense. It is currently documented > to be as close to original as possible (even acknowledging JonMac > variancies). To change it beyond it's original configuration would really > decrease the value of TS1. As a collector/investment - I doubt the new > owner would want to fall down that hole. > jm2cw. > Carl > > > > On 05/01/12, Loumetelko@aol.com wrote: > > But one car came in today for an oil change and a minor problem with the > brake light. That number I can probably remember: > > > > Mark: > Thanks for the delightful photo of the very beloved TS1. I first met TS1 > in Joe Richards' shop back in 97 or so and later in 2003 when Joe unveiled > it in Auburn at the TRA National I hosted. Words can not begin to explain > what Joe started with compared to its finished look. > > On another list the new owner said his goal was to "improve" TS1 - that > very thought just terrifies me. Would be like some dolt painting a smile on > the Mona Lisa! Sincerely hope before any so called improvements the new > owner gets opinions from Joe or Bill Piggott or John Saunders. Please Mark, > gently quiz the owner about his plans for TS1 and what improvements he has > in mind. > > I know there will be those who say that TS1 is his car to do as he so > pleases but Dammit there was only one TS1 and to butcher it would be more > than > criminal! > > Lou Metelko > Auburn, Indiana > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 12:11:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AFA2D07C6 for ; 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Wed, 02 May 2012 10:39:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8443986.1215997.1335971166671.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> <4FA15C2C.9020108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1335980352.26770.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , Triumphs In-Reply-To: <4FA15C2C.9020108@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TS1 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I take it that this means converting TS1 into a stretch limo is out? i think it was more of an upgrade to a more modern car like: http://www.brit.ca/~tboicey/comics/tr9.html Frank ________________________________ From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TS1 On 5/2/12 8:06 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Maybe the new owner has more money than sense. It is currently documented to be as close to original as possible (even acknowledging JonMac variancies). To change it beyond it's original configuration would really decrease the value of TS1. As a collector/investment - I doubt the new owner would want to fall down that hole. > So I take it that this means converting TS1 into a stretch limo is out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 13:41:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982492D0964 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:41:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049422D0873 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q42J06Ok006746 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:00:06 -0400 Received: from core-mhb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.187.196]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 99436E00008D for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FA15CFB.9030600@triumphclub.se> To: triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <4FA15CFB.9030600@triumphclub.se> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Andrew S. Mace" X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com (64.12.159.3) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 May 2012 15:00:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF6ACEBA8257C-131C-5277@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [149.10.144.120] Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335985206; bh=tTWxE4tAzicVZHsJGJHLhh27X4uwtjFoKPAVEy3ltek=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xTXooTjN9JN3Uo0G2QQnXz00PhvAIvmKFyk4/SNCJvoFUBr1r854i/KJFtIeuZZ3R 7DUpIsopo4Zpyi909i3YWu4pgc0kBWnvCO6J/RqvFFfTd9FpJAAtFpDSYqd1lLJMhe 4cy+cHSZsO5Wu8rtp1Qf8p5ybGQ62n1VR/duru6s= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:261214448:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4fa184352449 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TSx whereabouts? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill Piggott in the UK, Bill Lynn in the US, and others, have worked many years to track the existing early cars. The most recent list can be found on the VTR web site: http://www.vtr.org/TR2/SurvivorListDocs/TR2SurvivorList31December2011.pdf --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 13:46:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712962D0904 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:46:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEB32D08E1 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm8 with SMTP id m8so1465584yen.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SMB1pj//cF+15oFFIHxjeygLjBcGQIazFzDaOsrqU2Q=; b=jUUkgg+tDDECIjNezbwDmL6PxjopdgcHbbQbWG87tGUQ/h3X0NDbSSabrDI846cCOF HMeVCUgJ64BuwG0c+ezahLski85GE34Bi77YAPB/2jGnwKbfp++WJaOVG/wrcJnPdX17 2qWwDZpmdSepLcL0dwcyIuwaoOi41wepJY33b/tdqc2bUnoUvYZY2AyHnDNRLRnh1jwI rqCfH6YXquw7slKWRmhZUIcp/DOM6u69YytPBAd4dVcdT7VZqI75501sAPhT5zyIuzwv VCnjmclUgaIIOWyBpJ+hRtshI3LbULVUTwxwYDVnAwu6aBHFHa94urH2iaJLAF1J0obg 8kYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.155.229 with SMTP id vz5mr6106431igb.12.1335985536244; Wed, 02 May 2012 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.114.153 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a great deal on a MIG welder from Sears/ Craftsman. It came with a mickey mouse hand-held visor. I'd like to get a good one. What should I look for? For ones that say auto-darkening should I look for a number or some spec? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 14:41:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105D2D0811 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:41:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.truedefense.com (mail05.truedefense.com [216.69.224.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9942D0794 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:50:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otnoex2.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.9]) by mail05.truedefense.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q42JoxqX008626; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JPayne@ThorCon.net) Received: from otnoex0.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.4]) by otnoex2.onthenetoffice.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 May 2012 12:50:59 -0700 Received: from EX1HTS01.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.31]) by otnoex0.onthenetoffice.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 May 2012 12:50:59 -0700 Received: from EX1MBX01.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::f9f4:b916:4b54:5534]) by ex1hts01.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::dcca:855d:bb32:dc3f%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:50:58 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" Thread-Topic: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? Thread-Index: AQHNKJxv6UrDQtVoR0CxNoVIrW8xyJa26BYw Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:50:58 +0000 Message-ID: <5891B364A7C3594B9466304B59E65B1C1A63CA56@ex1mbx01.onthenetoffice.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [172.16.12.67] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2012 19:50:59.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[E564F360:01CD289C] Subject: Re: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I fiddled with a cheap helmet for years, and the quality of my welding improved 10000000% when I purchased a good auto-darkening one. Don't waste your time on anything else - it will be the best $ you ever spend on tools. Jonas Payne PBR Cell: (702) 358-5084 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:06 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? I've got a great deal on a MIG welder from Sears/ Craftsman. It came with a mickey mouse hand-held visor. I'd like to get a good one. What should I look for? For ones that say auto-darkening should I look for a number or some spec? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpayne@thorcon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 17:15:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAEB2C0D45 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:15:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CA562D04C7 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:26:37 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1335997624; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=c36yR1mUALbkyabuLSv2Oh8MQ6oDq87Vwm4KaUt8lGuivvOjAaax+UzITMX1FF2ow HeZSDXGfOjBMAz5mRq/Lrr6EuKmUIWUVWo0PojqwaoO98H35FClm8+wqfd9UaooKIA jNktaOGnhiy5kTMVeRWSThb1M55MVuZfRfCFE3ek= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail06.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.146]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH4DPFFAA7T8SJ for (sender ); Wed, 2 May 2012 15:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: l0tzfbVg/zoqPq90CBJNEsw/oirlzcyJmOI75zreihQ= Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail06.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R7SHL8HS; Wed, 02 May 2012 15:25:58 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail06.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:25:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.214.163.54] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Matt" Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:25:31 GMT To: triumphstag@gmail.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120502.182531.9355.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 3609 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2922321930 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.146|webmail06.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|mbarre@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Welcome to the world of welding!While you will likely get some good replies from the TR list, you will definitely do better over on the shop talk list.An easy and worthwhile team.net sign up. I agree with the earlier reply that autodarkening is the way to go.I also thought that eye protection was worth the cost of getting a nice helmet, but some oldtimers advised thatthe autodarkening technology largely either worked or it didn't and they were comfortable using harbor freight helmets as far as the actual lens was concerned. If you are going to be welding a LOT - then the fit of the helmet and how easily you can flip it and other ergonomic issues may well be worth the extra $$. Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:05:36 -0700 I've got a great deal on a MIG welder from Sears/ Craftsman. It came with a mickey mouse hand-held visor. I'd like to get a good one. What should I look for? For ones that say auto-darkening should I look for a number or some spec? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mbarre@juno.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:17:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9E52D0936 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1AA2D07AE for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:43:54 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=T6UUtqTb/A3HrNGUuX2EtboS87Y7SbcwfEi1ze6+WYIRv420Wqkl8v6Km1Pqi3nF; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.21.129] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SPk9e-0003y3-1o for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 02 May 2012 20:44:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA1D4E8.1000200@rmi.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:44:24 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120319 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net References: <4F9DA0D4.3000404@rmi.net> <07a401cd2673$66b4ec80$0601a8c0@randall> In-Reply-To: <07a401cd2673$66b4ec80$0601a8c0@randall> X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f0078041443e73d723149f5dd3bd2e5157023ece3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire Turn Signals X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Everyone, I determined that even though there was voltage were the green wires went into the stabilizer, there was no voltage at the connector to the hazard switch. I tried tracing the wires from both ends, but they both went into the harness and I could not determine where the problem might be. I ended up just running another wire between the stabilizer and the hazard switch connector and everything is working fine. Thanks, Roger Elliott On 04/29/2012 08:48 PM, Randall wrote: >> There is continuity between the voltage regulator and the >> green wire at >> the hazard switch. Though when I check for voltage at the >> green wire, >> there isn't any. > Checking for continuity is always a tricky business, especially with other > things connected to the circuit. The "continuity" you see may be through > those devices and ground; or may be too high resistance to operate the load. > (For example, many continuity testers will show 10 ohms or so as a > connection; but 10 ohms is much too high to power turn signals.) > > If there is no voltage on the green wire with the ignition on, then the > problem is somewhere between where you are checking and the battery. Since > presumably the gauges powered by the voltage stabilizer do work, the problem > must be between that point and the stabilizer. Could be a broken wire, but > my money is on the tab on the VS being broken, corroded, or simply not > connected properly. (It is sometimes easy to slide the blade between the > terminal and the plastic covering, which can sometimes make a connection > that will show continuity but not pass enough power to actually run > anything.) > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:53:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D26A2D067C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:53:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7742D07BE for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120503011746.GONQ12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 2 May 2012 21:17:46 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 5DHi1j00T2TnnaX05DHmFn; Wed, 02 May 2012 21:17:46 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=-ea_FObjX-wA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_2vfWXnfAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=kwfU3byejY4-3KusDGkA:9 a=vZ1d861W0nU_7DOsptUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5mrclwhhXz8A:10 a=nAe1T1EFY5wA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Lf8e_UyQxxsA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=rZgoPeCNBQma5KuX:21 a=3WJ9etHaxvpcelOg:21 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01cd28ca$8a2b22c0$9e816840$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH4wRARW4FFqp3ojb2BdOgP/reZ/5ZgDIUA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Several thoughts. I never thought I would have an auto-darkening shield but a gift is a gift. They do work great, especially if you are under a piece of equipment and there just isn't room to flip the whole shield up and down. I have found that the models with an on/off switch can be a nuisance. If not used after 10 minutes, they automatically shut off and that is a real dazzling experience when you strike the arc. Make sure to get one with adjustable shade - maybe 9 through 12. Some of the auto-darkening assemblies have a small viewing field - similar to the older 2 x 4.25 size shields. Those may be difficult for those with glasses, especially bi-focals. I used to use, and still do at times, a traditional shield with the 4.5x5.25 size plate. Sometimes that extra field of vision is real helpful. Another thing I noticed with auto-darkening shields is that the sensitivity can vary with distance. I resisted using them in my welding class at school because the shields would not darken if you looked at an arc more than 5 feet distant. That scared me! But that is probably not an issue in your own shop. You also can get an auto-darkening insert if you already have a 4.5x5.25 plate size shield. Somebody else mentioned that a comfortable, light design is important - absolutely true. Also, purchase a shield for which you can get replacement head bands. I still prefer to buy welding supplies from a welding supplier. The shield that I have is an ARC ONE made in Taunton Mass. In a recent survey, more than 98% of the respondents suggested that your eyes are important to protect! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:06 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] What should I look for in a good welding helmet? I've got a great deal on a MIG welder from Sears/ Craftsman. It came with a mickey mouse hand-held visor. I'd like to get a good one. What should I look for? For ones that say auto-darkening should I look for a number or some spec? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 08:15:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9D92D0232 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:15:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8957E2D0946 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 13:34:51 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.120] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 13:34:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 13:34:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 389169.52449.bm@omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58435 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2012 13:34:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1336052091; bh=YE3Uc76MCe6VVvkd/xzTXLw4d58E/FDDzyPl+HCHjNg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RQ9vl1UZAklaTJTtlk4PLt4UAXOpa/0a/PaE0zphnrQXiIOWTp/M3gcP89mq0eSh5BCu/pGZL5ivw/aBidC6DAY1NIeF0FazXa9khfKv83AX0ueKUE52OTQiKB/XTwW1s71OSJi6keS/nAiqRQMnSwrptTPPqnCHKsYH4KthAvg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5B7R//0Ubdu8FAIy723FgnLYziBEmKdI8zBEr7eaHNsJgGpnL4fQwUVVQEZLbi54HHZvLf1Op1nlwF5es2IZTzGTzXAQWzDB5tGMIwwflFeSXQfEMIWKFITGeXaC4X6bdeRRg/WlND4ZSRWekZRFb9bNdRGoCpeJt5L1Eot7B6E=; X-YMail-OSG: 0FPQ9jEVM1kXnBRi9.Xm5sHSzSI_QlwwEgsb0mXLkO73XON 0wulnJ7_cu_RGdzzRjd6ew0wt8HAgdK2mgK5y12g7fvpZY6s_zPbI5eZiwb_ lTZdSeccO7W1DSicdStzEEwz2HUASeoGMYwhMlV5IS1aBef.UB1e1pst0LBI jFpNgUWTKe6yGnhtTWhLEixA8ex81IWbfmcp6paEOOZhSKApqcsuEtV.V16E DMaOw5CqSqN.LAHDRKx3w4FPk3GJU7UojeuHytvMhnWHsuflsFnZBdoftVgR n6pbBnAVqhfkWd5OTb72mGKX0pL_znPBWBqeb4o4UYdH3s2D52riPT9NT9gb i2CM3pAG6qnZh0giv_eSRYiA.Jm_3wgvLfEJlarQnCgFpCx7_ Received: from [212.139.243.170] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:34:51 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336052091.51399.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:34:51 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TS1 all over again? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've no idea how much it cost the current owner of TS1 to repatriate it from Hawaii but today's Hemmings Blog informs me that someone in the UK has recently paid $65,000 for XLL 27 - the eighth Austin Se7en to roll off the Longbridge line in 1959. If this rustbucket is worth that much, makes you wonder how much Mini #1 at BMIHT is worth? From the pix, will it take another 65k to get it halfway decent? IMHO, allow the patina of rust and dust to prevail and leave it alone in a nice dry garage or museum for others to enjoy as it is. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 08:46:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEDD2D0377 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:46:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820142D06DD for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([216.152.55.202]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id NSW32614; Thu, 03 May 2012 08:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Michael Marr" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , References: <4F9F4AFC.6050603@bradakis.com><8CEF5D3C1E56D96-19D0-24E14@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> <4FA0973B.9050306@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FA0973B.9050306@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:45:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-IndexStatus: 0 Subject: Re: [TR] Commission numbers X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter Egan is pretty much the only reason I continue to subscribe to Road and Track. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Bradakis" > And speaking of going quickly, here's a quote from an old article from > Peter Egan > > Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't > waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once > drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 09:24:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B1A2D0923 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:24:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 957432D0708 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.43] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 14:40:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 126994.74619.bm@omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97374 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2012 14:40:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336056051; bh=Q9kh8gPW7yY8vo5A1v4fmOaCybIP1KJ9mn79wk0riS0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=axSIuhmFzrcyTW1gIleqDOBR+UWEcRjZm1sawWW7QFeiD+o/H8yJ9GGszxIzUINuALvGQoGVvrpxnB7xjejq+QqtHt0lH7JyfAQxAzVmISVAHR06nWmU+uQfIvb3kjA5gvh02heDdvI0meXDSliM4tlmwaKJDqbfJUfI+i6E0QQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=it57dqednmqDBf/9vh1/TgCzweCF38mWf3G611ok5fHB1RwItZt9j6qqXJWWDG2emeGLz2qTvSox1rUmSoaNPcMVIHMDLprNciqPlcWKQrI9tqUT1N9aBFmOnVtPaQ6teomMc+RgTfQ0kpcALwa1vPakhMHWJvzWtGUWD16oQTI=; X-YMail-OSG: 1qpnXIYVM1nygTRi394osbvxl4clnJ85OGrxAGxZY5Ls1RY aFYvZezsJ4ddxrgHLc8IDF.N2cLLtX1A09WaoHtPNaSxScV7uE4kkCqvRMlQ NO8Zw1t.wHgVB.PyY77iR3R5OnPoDbBBvhCzhyBfCo3x41QrXITznDdIb2So ysrXge_JR9PFs6uJyn8yI58FKBiLeEWjWxUxSa5dSzo5lmJPQMFkuvBk_Ttu 09cFltople3chboxqgs9sLjcxzoNCrrZaO6gqCwTLgKgbEQpALw8wC2DS79h LWGwA3QFqujAsqVRTS30J4CZOVOld8ckXJW1Ll1bkSAyYmNv5WxP7tkX1G2r vaZhsFnzfpyNcw2spsJBvYOWeq.x6wuICOE6dRmfZHyA6kT4bajXGwotmgEP QeEnVB5fy5euNTe7OJI7UZzLIH2XOfdH9_AXlbIVAZFVaZuG8qgtpJvEyI8q .9RRdZrg- Received: from [99.101.56.65] by web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 07:40:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Summers List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net '74 TR6, Weber DGV carbs, Pertronix electronic ignition, high torque starter. I have learned to use starting fluid sprayed into my air filters to get a nearly instant start. Before, on a good day, it could have taken several attempts and a lot of grinding to get ignition. Now, after a period of years where I only had to worry about the car starting maybe 6 times before it would leave me stranded the # is down to 2 or 3 starts per trip. I have no idea why. Recently I was stalled in a parking lot and put my hand on the back of the starter switch and shook it around and it started. The next occurance I did the same thing for 20 minutes and had to ride a tow truck home - where after unloading, the car started right up. Could it be the starter switch? Then yesterday a new sound popped up. When I apply the foot brake there is the sound of air escaping over top of my feet. The car still stops but there is a noticeable "hardness" to the brake pedal. Something is going on here. I've had the car since 1998. My 25th wedding anniversary gift that keeps on giving. Or as I like to describe it "my midlife crisis car, only I didn't know the car would BE the crisis well into my 60's". I'm starting to lust after used Nissans or Toyota's. Stop me before I do something RATIONAL!! John Summers Jacksonville, Fl. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 10:30:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7569F2D09D9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:30:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317812D03F7 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:38:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=TlJ-29If8aQA:10 a=YpYrfsIhTr0A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wJoM14LgAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=1VwSnb9uIubc2FULlM8A:9 a=1a6hrL3Fb31cBLVUK5cA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:43838] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 03/1C-29249-686A2AF4; Thu, 03 May 2012 15:38:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA2A636.5000606@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:37:26 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120412 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Summers References: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, I have seen the ignition switch problem a few times on the 6-pack forum. Seems to be 74 and on. My 72 switch works first time every time. Owners of 73 and less have not mentioned this problem. So you might want to source a new switch. As far as the brake booster, you might want to check with Ted as TSI. He offers rebuilt units for about 100 or so. His products, including rebuilt booster units, appear on Ebay from time to time. His website is: http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/ BTW, I have been a Triumph owner for my entire adult life and the grin still appears whenever I drive one of my Triumphs down the street. I know some of the newer "sport" cars offer a ot more comfort and reliability, but a Triumph is a Triumph! Bob On 05/03/2012 10:40 AM, John Summers wrote: > '74 TR6, Weber DGV carbs, Pertronix electronic ignition, high torque starter. > I have learned to use starting fluid sprayed into my air filters to get a > nearly instant start. Before, on a good day, it could have taken several > attempts and a lot of grinding to get ignition. Now, after a period of years > where I only had to worry about the car starting maybe 6 times before it would > leave me stranded the # is down to 2 or 3 starts per trip. I have no idea > why. Recently I was stalled in a parking lot and put my hand on the back of > the starter switch and shook it around and it started. The next occurance I > did the same thing for 20 minutes and had to ride a tow truck home - where > after unloading, the car started right up. Could it be the starter switch? > Then yesterday a new sound popped up. When I apply the foot brake there is > the sound of air escaping over top of my feet. The car still stops but there > is a noticeable "hardness" to the brake pedal. Something is going on here. > I've had the car since 1998. My 25th wedding anniversary gift that keeps on > giving. Or as I like to describe it "my midlife crisis car, only I didn't > know the car would BE the crisis well into my 60's". I'm starting to lust > after used Nissans or Toyota's. Stop me before I do something RATIONAL!! > John > Summers > Jacksonville, Fl. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 10:33:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAE12D0A10 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:33:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C259C2D0751 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 09:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:49:52 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:49:49 -0500 Message-Id: <3A469CBB-B13E-4B45-BD29-151219D2F18B@genfiniti.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TR] TR4A - News and Parts Advice X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, First the news. Last weekend Julia and I drove the TR4A to the VTR South Central Regional Convention in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. I was as nervous as a pregnant nun, with the car having less than 2000 miles on it, but we made it to and from without a major incident (more on this later). We had a fun three days with folks from the region participating in several drivings events, meals and parties. The little car even took First Place in the Concours Modified judging, missing a perfect sore by only two points. Let's hear it for lenient judges! We did, however, experience a minor incident while driving in the rallye. About half way through I looked down at the speedometer and the needle is resting on the zero. Last night I got into it and learned what the issue was: the right angle drive adapter to the gearbox had just fallen apart. I bought this brand new from Moss, and made sure I also included the special washer thing that ostensibly prevents this from happening. While removing the tranny tunnel to access the drive, I tore some of the carpet pieces, which I had glued a bit too well. Does anyone know of a better angled drive adapter, as I am now suspicious of Moss'? Also, does anyone know where we can by individual carpet pieces? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:12:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF992D06C9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:12:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079022D0755 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([216.152.55.202]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id NVE46702; Thu, 03 May 2012 11:01:02 -0500 Message-ID: <54F77172239948379509E2058CB78B81@PhiSchLSpare101> From: "Michael Marr" To: "John Summers" , References: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:01:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-IndexStatus: 0 Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would say that you have a brake booster problem - that is the cause of the new noise and the apparent "hardness" of the brakes. I am not familiar enough with the TR6 to say whether that might be related to the starting problem, but I suppose that the vacuum hose to the booster COULD be broken and COULD be sucking air into the manifold which COULD cause the mixture to be too lean (hence the need for starting fluif). But, that is all guesswork. Brake boosters weren't considered necessary on my 3A! But I would definitely start looking for simple fixes around the brake booster, such as a broken or loose vacuum line. Mike -------------------------------------------------- > Then yesterday a new sound popped up. When I apply the foot brake there > is > the sound of air escaping over top of my feet. The car still stops but > there > is a noticeable "hardness" to the brake pedal. Something is going on > here. > I've had the car since 1998. My 25th wedding anniversary gift that keeps > on > giving. Or as I like to describe it "my midlife crisis car, only I didn't > know the car would BE the crisis well into my 60's". I'm starting to > lust > after used Nissans or Toyota's. Stop me before I do something RATIONAL!! > John > Summers > Jacksonville, Fl. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:54:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B322D0A28 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:54:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E6C2D08FC for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W109 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 May 2012 10:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.62.204.114] From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:06:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2012 17:06:57.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[257963C0:01CD294F] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Mitty Weekend X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just returned from the Mitty at Road Atlanta. A truly fantastic event. Numerous folks from the list stopped by to say hey in the paddock, it was so good to see you all again. Next years Triumph race is going to be at Road America in Elkhart Lake WI. Should be a blast also. I was unfortunate enough to launch a piston out of the side of my block during the first practice session but we still had a great time. Hope to salvage the head and camshaft. Guess I'll be on the hunt for another small journal 1296 between now and Road America. :) Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:57:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008D52D0A4F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:57:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3952D0655 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=YpYrfsIhTr0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NjvFShX4_MkPko7RBKMA:9 a=1PLmI5-S66XEbT9dngkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:42687] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 51/3C-16302-DACB2AF4; Thu, 03 May 2012 17:13:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Summers'" , References: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:12:54 -0700 Message-ID: <02d901cd294f$fae613f0$f0b23bd0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0pQQqJfjoaBMtsS/CvAtb+ERYY3wADMBaQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > '74 TR6, Weber DGV carbs, Pertronix electronic ignition, What did you do about the ballast resistor? The Pertronix needs to get full battery voltage, but will overheat if used with the original coil and no ballast resistor. > high torque starter. How is the starter wired in? Does the relay still supply power to the starter solenoid? I don't know how it compares to the TR6 solenoid, but my gear-drive starter solenoid draws roughly 10 times as much current as the original TR3 starter solenoid. > Could it be the starter > switch? Certainly a possibility. But I also discovered (the hard way) that my gear-drive starter would still turn the engine quite happily, when the battery voltage under load had dropped down to where the Pertronix would not work at all. In my case, the nearly-new battery was simply defective, but I'm guessing that a marginal connection somewhere (checked your ground strap lately?) could cause the same problem. And if the voltage drop were not quite so severe, it might be just hard to start instead of impossible. > When I apply the foot brake > there is > the sound of air escaping over top of my feet. The car still stops but > there > is a noticeable "hardness" to the brake pedal. Something is going on > here. I'd guess a problem with the brake booster, which operates on air and is located above your feet. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A012D0A7E for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:59:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FBF2D071C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43HDNm3020836 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:13:23 -0400 Received: from core-moa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 44E2FE00008F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <15a83.3bccf653.3cd416b3@cs.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336065203; bh=8OZ/ami42KuyMalJswlkrb31hC4kig2I1I/S/nQGfIs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ShlmLoMOHHv885ziEgiJAd2t0ekKj3rmT0cs+9Pxq9w59YueEkJp68MmtXJ/rUCHI 1f2lYlNKr894HUNmOp+6v/7HlIvOgFj63LXmt83eCFtZzlM4eP2ULRpq0+bmlFfTG3 smO0o6WGJqXOLIMjFauKt2kSLWc5i3h6xRBEinhw= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450114400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc4fa2bcb32d9a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anecdotal. My 71 ignition switch went all dodgey. I would be driving along, minding my own business and everything would shut down. Even the overdrive would kick out. I wiggle the switch and everything comes back on. On the highway that usually resulted in a big bang in the exhaust from all the unburned fuel in the exhaust. A new switch and all has been just fine for these 18 odd years. Dave In a message dated 5/3/2012 11:29:49 AM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr@adelphia.net writes: > I have seen the ignition switch problem a few times on the 6-pack forum. > Seems to be 74 and on. My 72 switch works first time every time. Owners > of 73 and less have not mentioned this problem. So you might want to > source a new switch. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 17:27:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A182D04A5 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:27:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4C7B2D06CD for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 22:19:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.251] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 22:19:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 22:19:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 620889.18243.bm@omp1064.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16839 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2012 22:19:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336083546; bh=4tHOgcbagjbyvqeNcvBB48XEyALke9snWrWbzP0p3V0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rxyKZPo+FaEempiNk/N9rCrtWsrduhbm35EMsHXbOvDwL9K1RXvPG627O41qAhxmy6vA/25ZlxbOf+gTCQr2ylsIJ2ANe206vwo/fxK4VqwXbpEHrOmB1w8JohK8J53rcP4WUMxcGWkOkVbx2Im3j+NavLkm4gVPSdNCyjMLyaY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YfadVWZ1KBD7ipg9tXC+wVyiqDVFF+WPRHfMxBKEqliFkfY595ZfifKHm+Gx8LiPUkJan2V5DJqGDol6PES0YQW/BkIYZF+mFET+Dyx2vZLX1DzpnETcOhGpf0TCGhsAzo/MSVuX2In9WdBITvcCt2oTsx1OwEto8r+iEAsHk3k=; X-YMail-OSG: fggb8SMVM1m88yqIE6ax3qRzRBaySoHor5p5U3ThhHdZp9k 2XJdvOpJ3.fX7LfUMwXrGLC5HAbJZUVBI3GSUza2ueN1NUx9GFzC7NlQip1c 2Yv2eXOWsD3mgmmFdb5vp8pfXkS4NAQyppgMKwy1HUpM0JQOxJ.o0SwV2XU8 si0YxnVhmyaJQyDax97wwhsu8vDSHIpqRVYGyW5r5GCvkMOLGEAeL82t_Tbe q120HsN39fXEKHhIKkqhm8TW7OB_VaPIk1oEKAdQWuLEI5qYNKVqyKJUWuRm QDRQ0f_17BpvV4TPXUmrI3Ko3fnpBMYBavuGI9DJmYvPNR9TH41ydvvRLDum nzzxEniR_.7iQpP17q7_K1rzpY9Tmli2hy5PuR1GR1u_opwLr9ExlS.EQ750 KKEkmOQF_OT9M.nNhSgRY3c0zN0wB4SXYNmz.otOKf5AKytpAmCGIBMbjkNy sp2Z99qWODXiNpQhlzZipVcm3el0rliw- Received: from [98.200.53.162] by web162904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 15:19:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336083546.9160.YahooMailNeo@web162904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Reynolds To: "spitfires@autox.team.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Spitfires at the Mitty X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Reynolds List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net NASS Members, Herman Schaller and the Georgia Triumph Association put on an excellent car show and associated events at the recent Mitty. What was suprising was that there were only one or two Spitfires in attendance. Later I noticed that there was a hard to see NASS encampment consisting of about 6 cars behind the Motorsports Magazine tent. What's up guys? Why don't you join in the fun. John Reynolds Houston, TX ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 18:08:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B13E2D08C0 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:08:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93422D0503 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [173.53.82.135]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3G00EPMYYN6970@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 03 May 2012 18:08:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Dean Tetterton In-reply-to: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 19:08:47 -0400 Message-id: References: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: John Summers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John First the easy part. You have a bad brake booster. Leaking air when applying the brake. You can get a rebuilt one from Ted. When you say it won't start, is the starter turning and it won't fire or does the starter not activate. If the starter will not start turning, it could be the 74 seat belt interlock circuit if it hasn't already been bypassed. They required the drivers door being shut, drivers seat belt fastened, passenger seat belt fasterned if their is a passenger. Their were pressure sensors in the seats to tell if they were occupied. Their is an easy bypass if you can do electrical stuff. There is a box with a buzzer in it near the glove box. There is a plug with 12 wires going into it. You can unplug it and jumper pins 11 & 12 in the plug. Or connect the white/red and white/orange wires from the plug together. This will allow the starter relay to work without all the other conditions being met. If this has already been done,The plug in back of the ignition switch could be going. Also sounds like your Weber DGV carbs are not set up correctly and might not have a working choke. Dean Tetterton On May 3, 2012, at 10:40 AM, John Summers wrote: > '74 TR6, Weber DGV carbs, Pertronix electronic ignition, high torque starter. > I have learned to use starting fluid sprayed into my air filters to get a > nearly instant start. Before, on a good day, it could have taken several > attempts and a lot of grinding to get ignition. Now, after a period of years > where I only had to worry about the car starting maybe 6 times before it would > leave me stranded the # is down to 2 or 3 starts per trip. I have no idea > why. Recently I was stalled in a parking lot and put my hand on the back of > the starter switch and shook it around and it started. The next occurance I > did the same thing for 20 minutes and had to ride a tow truck home - where > after unloading, the car started right up. Could it be the starter switch? > Then yesterday a new sound popped up. When I apply the foot brake there is > the sound of air escaping over top of my feet. The car still stops but there > is a noticeable "hardness" to the brake pedal. Something is going on here. > I've had the car since 1998. My 25th wedding anniversary gift that keeps on > giving. Or as I like to describe it "my midlife crisis car, only I didn't > know the car would BE the crisis well into my 60's". I'm starting to lust > after used Nissans or Toyota's. Stop me before I do something RATIONAL!! > John > Summers > Jacksonville, Fl. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 19:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76EC2D08C9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:40:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 43C3F2D0A1D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 00:54:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.130] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 00:54:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 00:54:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 470088.94156.bm@omp1013.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72406 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2012 00:54:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336092897; bh=z0x+wq5D8ECjNCTViyf9y6rj5OuIZt27uFF2H6rI3mo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gjaFzzZDl3gMw5S2TePTHNAVo/eSqLROvP5l+37388pJmo5ikFLF6Zd/YXJG4kNKuwgeE/drLkL2sPafq4Y9VHcq7UrKD/s76PrsVAPFdJs010sCHXoV1Q0NHfaKxv6rffXvZUZ8MIXeOYSmTHhHy1Z/IFD+6UzzA5s7pfmlpUM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JE/5g296RIE5KEt8qhHJn80Vg53s+r1+rLIbjk7wAMXC4cgYqwx7eImNKNf+91kksNhofEJS/wFHw+0wp/rEFeqbyaULH+RikO3xaikO2DDNxbtFPYx6BxYpnyr8uiSHDeNZoLpPvkSjd17hEOlgnyIwn1nhQq/vXcXuDpt2Dt4=; X-YMail-OSG: 0FIzSJAVM1km2SCplwrZrrnd8VidRPTFPUrZU3xhw6X7utn CDzRNMKHTZvvNNUlZi6ad1gRcjePALfFB0LOVhFsSJuIRSsZAYv3y8qxlJip OHXVcsRlQvU2kBProLi0LqBi7KD49raNEDG1w6rNVV_92X5opfIcODJJ2uQC 4DKoi1_IcaLvdFiOzsFZecoo2nEdG_.ZlqRa6PjYstoBbc93UyyoV2YLnZKE LZu2SB.oMd7NtErpqL.Hw6eSWnMkZlucNZMrt1tNlWbRM0ttxmtZD1r5PVG1 K2dxL5MhUC2q4XESny3ltxw63eQ6HPS0fvlTOp4zLoetbcGT_MQsqHJwN1a9 s4NHwWgMxq8.niaqi7_gOeb6Ki8oY7qGweDOeeHD52FaydPxbmbfx0z1ZF8P _6KOVkZWsLGW2anyfplXRL.9SfAx.s5NdGTiqXlOS5kHy1NLqcRM- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 17:54:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336092896.72379.YahooMailNeo@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] welding helmet X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased a welding helmet for around $60 which was auto darkening and I wish I'd spent more. The main weakness is the frame inside that tightens to your head. That should be heavy and well made. The cheaper ones soon allow the helmet to fall down, don't hold it up tight and just aren't worth it. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 20:14:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E1C2D08C9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 20:14:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 412C02D0751 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm28.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 01:13:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.173] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 01:13:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 01:13:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 728275.48533.bm@omp1056.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64505 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2012 01:13:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336094013; bh=XkN+5BxfBnKtjdiceiiHLlCSP/qQiDfbErxc/1AQnDM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s41w1M2Axcnh5VSTlksY6O3/TletKYxS2I6aBN9y1MZescO5OjDDQf1Q0VdpEH6fkE6p4p0EHz2ajhM9/eFtcOL7AoraEpDaEQtLBEAkW8LLg+WXoUUyZorsgf2iKxo2Kiiw7pkJUPiOGDanNdZi3FAd2AmewmE8AHOxyKQAnNE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vh02HZoBmKsQ3zPTXMoL7hSOZVaiCuj/hKMc0IArb7NYEp5GUIOJ6ycHznlUfdITxeH4+lJiGC9Zj2Xlz2bO5NeSsgHzyWDXe5cxBTGzoW5gCmo6JcarkHhb4TonZvFYwu6EPXB6P/KC2vZfWIMPHhAHflK2IfWUyBxO6l5sOG4=; X-YMail-OSG: .qxN41YVM1lwjMwt22Y2vJDgKN5bb.8LfASsqoPfdemD85n lBIhGHbqEJetRPXXyfi_mP7JV8J9HWQpRuDwZTkS2tygXhLQBkS5Hya5yMv7 K2JISJ5PV8kOwf.sc.FcS0upjg3MmLnR8kZMoRw4zuv_83vXZtPET8YWuhG9 QVueCqVNaat8q0Aho2Z2lfBlFSpe9vZBdCSTMlw8TJHZ_adj6c7DGwsehc2X ATeV39I9Ui0Y7J87gIqVyAn5ePukmuHtSMCH5pD6pyeDpW_ttmubrPgP9.3k V.cui792.eo.TWpG8aUJHBZGf1g920gG.rW7MVJqZmYl_E0c5ugfPoYxL4a9 YWHIhwMr_G0VbOXLZwBbOcysetfmRs9Xbk5J4CEYuZr_yAwxjNnUvkoiRMqF XEIpTtcAyPR.vI9I1cIhztXuOTyK3wsgaCL3hW96AM5sQttbGXXQ- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 18:13:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336094012.64148.YahooMailNeo@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] tr-6 surrey top? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just received my 6-pack newsletter/mag. and noticed in the article "Patients Aid Doctor" pg. 12 that Ken Dolhonde is standing beside his tr-6 surrey top. I've seen pictures of these on tr-4's but never a tr-6. Were they available and do they ever show up at car shows? I've never seen one before in a picture or at a show. Just wondering if they ever come available to buy. thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 20:42:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE5C2D084D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 20:42:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB4EC2D0503 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 01:45:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 01:45:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 65962.53859.bm@omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88227 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2012 01:45:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336095939; bh=xcGInwM99BWl2Z7/+kn1sX+nkSVzPF5FopZvMrvo2n4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v9XbHjzf02GqnmKET5fitlC3l1kl0adyXXVmgcwu4J7kneTIUVg1v7blEyghhYMVYTJnts8C3NvGfD61yZIj8MZ3osN3lsSvVxoJCfif9mpqq5A3MkLn2x8lsQJg8pZbB5dhAKf7SmoZmQgzZNtz/KqyXotLnpUOhnRKcBYqIVs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k2fdLLfqrjua+c8KqbZNY/MXOnLtON7oaZ/pQxiAd1kJjg+P77RAK2I6VBSwQEv9RuXLpXY3uTjWa/p18mCvkJ0E4oEfjoxRc9gOtB1XIRO1gGSwDTX0+v2kiLlBZaVCQ5uNbatlU1AhxPRXKM4FvjLyFLiUUfE5ZU3fus0L2CY=; X-YMail-OSG: 4uhaiRYVM1khezXqLDlQLLTdPF9bF8B24bJxxIhNJZP7EsF N3Jt6Ach10r7_37h_F5q7Ca29k12RK53ER_bghIHqxPj40k3O92l9ryY8VCY JTx1j.hWdXdsOxKNgouvnjIGPTSNDcFDHABbzSc4yyT.c7LCYaKpcaBUAb7T iwibpMps7vvFwZJYTcy8SDqXRUFMn0El7PuGmf0ALEFzBbU9KVsrQlokhiFR EUh_eQxfmBIomZVZa0wRAouK3iLO50HZr_ZXlw0ThHnGvuwq_AGdUAcXR5zj DTgXNeNAYvJDM_ZRoiU_6vxskwnCJN6fwWcBIzi5MeytRRvTkWFGDUcLv9Ju BlnRS2BpaNuK9yweYWtfitxoF7dRtlv9t.nyuUTjRjzIbnmGFKqEw0Q6JQJU fgB9obccH8rAjuKySqbnkD09gmNPlo5R5jkBobUq.7PLVTT9L4zalOYqcshv R7hnT9rkJc8gEZUpk0Z.VWcGuBFl1VDh207bU8ibvyFoDvZ9vJ4o6syAwZAN XZzVaA6qSRmGDRgEirM7ubzq9HXUbYPav3X1.16nY3w-- Received: from [98.184.151.247] by web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 18:45:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336056051.97355.YahooMailNeo@web113602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336095939.85139.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: Dean Tetterton , "rivers2hills@yahoo.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A faulty starter relay will also cause intermittent start issues. Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: Dean Tetterton To: John Summers Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [TR] questions for the list John First the easy part. You have a bad brake booster. Leaking air when applying the brake. You can get a rebuilt one from Ted. When you say it won't start, is the starter turning and it won't fire or does the starter not activate. If the starter will not start turning, it could be the 74 seat belt interlock circuit if it hasn't already been bypassed. They required the drivers door being shut, drivers seat belt fastened, passenger seat belt fasterned if their is a passenger. Their were pressure sensors in the seats to tell if they were occupied. Their is an easy bypass if you can do electrical stuff. There is a box with a buzzer in it near the glove box. There is a plug with 12 wires going into it. You can unplug it and jumper pins 11 & 12 in the plug. Or connect the white/red and white/orange wires from the plug together. This will allow the starter relay to work without all the other conditions being met. If this has already been done,The plug in back of the ignition switch could be going. Also sounds like your Weber DGV carbs are not set up correctly and might not have a working choke. Dean Tetterton On May 3, 2012, at 10:40 AM, John Summers wrote: > '74 TR6, Weber DGV carbs, Pertronix electronic ignition, high torque starter. > I have learned to use starting fluid sprayed into my air filters to get a > nearly instant start. Before, on a good day, it could have taken several > attempts and a lot of grinding to get ignition. Now, after a period of years > where I only had to worry about the car starting maybe 6 times before it would > leave me stranded the # is down to 2 or 3 starts per trip. I have no idea > why. Recently I was stalled in a parking lot and put my hand on the back of > the starter switch and shook it around and it started. The next occurance I > did the same thing for 20 minutes and had to ride a tow truck home - where > after unloading, the car started right up. Could it be the starter switch? > Then yesterday a new sound popped up. When I apply the foot brake there is > the sound of air escaping over top of my feet. The car still stops but there > is a noticeable "hardness" to the brake pedal. Something is going on here. > I've had the car since 1998. My 25th wedding anniversary gift that keeps on > giving. Or as I like to describe it "my midlife crisis car, only I didn't > know the car would BE the crisis well into my 60's". I'm starting to lust > after used Nissans or Toyota's. Stop me before I do something RATIONAL!! > John > Summers > Jacksonville, Fl. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 21:49:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECFB2D09FC for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 21:49:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from davesource.com (davesource.com [66.135.55.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678D92D067C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 21:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dave by davesource.com with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQ8t7-0000u1-Cv for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 03 May 2012 20:08:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Ljung Madison To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 20:06:30 -0700 X-Mailer: DaveMail [version 6.0] Subject: [TR] Experience with PRIRace.com? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking into options for rebuilding my TR3 engine I came across: http://prirace.com/page/triumph-tr3-engines Has anyone on the list used them for an engine rebuild? Dave --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Ljung Madison http://GetDave.com/ 415.341.5555 --------------------------- 1+1=3 for large 1 ----------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 08:59:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FC82D093F for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:59:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC192D0AE8 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 06:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggeq1 with SMTP id q1so593174gge.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 05:54:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3Gb3lVth40hktYHwl1UBOiTlAChnNRDhL+LOB2+kCsg=; b=f3SfcZ9HDDXR4kEKBK2D5yib7A5SYc/7xI5dnc2mmjkA6omKVCYRs8RJh+SL2y3hVG 6DgpFB9qQSsQEwqK1F5QP3A9ovo/ws9wLySjGwobPwWKEoC9C4tt1pKGHalCWpcT2vi0 M7RDzN2/VVgvrNxMUIFL5h1ZN7E4tsROOXrZMmXrWSxFMr6KWo+L5lfCvFweKSYfYK9L eBqzz/HBx77sU3838Ap4WqVGf2kMKD7j7Kl9pr961akPH7E6RGMh2TQoPl/w1piScjCx WHLFeNJnlUZkD0f4g84hggjyQv1s4EFEF/ILvm4I1R0l9qFpvbWU+82afsx6Mn27roc1 K4Qw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.104.166 with SMTP id gf6mr2852850igb.35.1336136074896; Fri, 04 May 2012 05:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.80.101 with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2012 05:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 05:54:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: Mike Katona To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] lost password X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net lost password -- retired, photographer, mule rider, lover of life http://mjkatona.photoshop.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 09:04:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D54F2D0D35 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 09:04:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpout04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E724A2D0CFB for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 07:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18857 invoked from network); 4 May 2012 13:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (63.228.226.169) by smtpout04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.196) with ESMTP; 04 May 2012 13:28:23 -0000 From: "Terall Blalock" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 6:28:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Account: Terall MBDFS X-Mailer: Chaos Intellect v3.0.4.6 Message-ID: <04BA1B4A0504061C1732009012@SPARKY> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Dashboard template 74 TR6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: terallb@mbdfs.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't have enough left of original to make a template and really want to make my own as a project with my grandson. Does anyone know where I can buy a template. 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[174.26.61.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vp14sm7439691oeb.5.2012.05.04.08.00.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 08:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FA3EF0B.6010302@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 08:00:27 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Experience with PRIRace.com? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/3/12 8:06 PM, David Ljung Madison wrote: > Looking into options for rebuilding my TR3 engine I came across: > > http://prirace.com/page/triumph-tr3-engines > > Has anyone on the list used them for an engine rebuild? Not I. But looking at their list of things they do and the price they ask my first thought is that they may not know the TR fours very well and my second thought is that you will still get a better rebuild from Greg Solow's engine Room in Santa Cruz for the price. Since Greg races a Morgan and has had one for ever that is the one engine they know the most about. It is THE place I trust to build a TR2-4A engine properly and to know how to address inherent weaknesses. Any automotive machine shop can rebuild a TR engine and have it run at the end of the process. But if you want the engine to run its best for an extended period of time, sometimes it is best to seek out someone who specialized in that particular engine. Just my own biased opinion, Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 14:19:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A767B2D0CAB for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:19:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9141F2D0CD6 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 12:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=euc1oLJ4QEf8UChpFKYA:9 a=zJmzy2mQFAbarqjEh4EA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:41881] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 43/60-29249-7EC14AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 18:16:07 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Mike Katona'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: <040501cd2a21$ea3fa7a0$bebef6e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0qBpFUNkmOqUJSR4Sm2I3o/4p9fgAGv1Rw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] lost password X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > lost password Click on the link at the bottom of each message, which in your case should read http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mjkatona@gmail.com That should lead to a web page, which has a button for "Password reminder". Click on that, and your password will be emailed to your email address. (Which is what prevents me from getting your password.) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:43:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE3B2D06B9 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:43:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900B52D0CB8 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5w3M1j00117dt5G56w4eCB; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:04:38 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.236.169.92]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5w4u1j00S1zxQSA3Zw4upz; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:04:54 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA4374D.3090704@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 16:08:45 -0400 From: Pat Ledford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1336094012.64148.YahooMailNeo@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336094012.64148.YahooMailNeo@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120504-0, 05/04/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] tr-6 surrey top? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is my understanding that the Surry top is for a TR 4 but can be made to fit a TR6. I think you can still buy new ones in the UK, maybe Rimmers Pat L On 5/3/2012 9:13 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Just received my 6-pack newsletter/mag. and noticed in the article "Patients > Aid Doctor" pg. 12 that Ken Dolhonde is standing beside his tr-6 surrey top. > I've seen pictures of these on tr-4's but never a tr-6. Were they available > and do they ever show up at car shows? I've never seen one before in a > picture or at a show. Just wondering if they ever come available to buy. > thanks! > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pat.l@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 19:39:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681972D0C06 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:39:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C84E2D0A53 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:22:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=JK0mL51uhlIA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Q7Q6ii6tHkJx4ZBgLJcA:9 a=g7NOihhWRTCRdqcn5JgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=R4vsyt1iBE_SxikC:21 a=74G7FoAcIPcsCTnv:21 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 173.88.251.65 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:50776] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/1D-05935-AC464AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 23:22:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3022732B7AA1412AADBF19D1AA8B1668@UserTHINK> From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Pat Ledford" , References: <1336094012.64148.YahooMailNeo@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4FA4374D.3090704@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4FA4374D.3090704@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:22:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] tr-6 surrey top? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I saw a TR6 with the Surrey Hard Top at the Mitty last weekend and it looked nice. I like the TR6 Hardtop on a TR6 better than the Surrey but of course you can't take the center section off. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ledford Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:08 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tr-6 surrey top? It is my understanding that the Surry top is for a TR 4 but can be made to fit a TR6. I think you can still buy new ones in the UK, maybe Rimmers Pat L On 5/3/2012 9:13 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Just received my 6-pack newsletter/mag. and noticed in the article > "Patients > Aid Doctor" pg. 12 that Ken Dolhonde is standing beside his tr-6 surrey > top. > I've seen pictures of these on tr-4's but never a tr-6. Were they > available > and do they ever show up at car shows? I've never seen one before in a > picture or at a show. Just wondering if they ever come available to buy. > thanks! > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 08:35:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674DE2D0BC3 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 08:35:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE062D0B74 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 07:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so2719165wgb.20 for ; Sat, 05 May 2012 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZEduz2iXeKHYXCLTspZLhir9cYEUL9f0QyNppk78gtw=; b=NhRJdBBwkoGrGJoJdJGYZTr6MFkJLGJeg/ihlcu55z1J4bMAUA5G1PCizZquZjto4P 3S4qffnyk5/RHplSmrNMufH2DQx7HkzoBRAybag0jODY9F2DTb+fNHCs3YF51E0UIZk+ TeS13phJM8fV0/+IUvjod3lqkUxhFs1A3D0Cp1xOPABLlO/35Gou6WAouTsKRZDo9Oo5 wQqqPanHrSJzn3slbAQ27ELNFJAJEh0fgb3QNlpcOWENRxWU+I4DWquwkBOhoDUX33pY XdC7AX0j5rJWz1BLcZg3vGq00CMTcuZsBAhmgViCzBDJJcZlvJx+8miLquodz/bR/ojF j7/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.92.9 with SMTP id ci9mr21191911wib.15.1336224505946; Sat, 05 May 2012 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.47.21 with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2012 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.47.21 with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2012 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Broken rear stud for rocker arm assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi list. Took the tr4 out for a drive and about five miles out I heard a bit of noise I thought might be associated with the transmission. Took it straight home and parked it. Few days later the trans level was a bit low so I used my new red harbor freight oil can pump to fill it. After about 8 pumps I saw the hose fly off and right down the transmission hole... a few hours later I managed to extract it from the drain hole.... so I start the car and the noise seems worse and I hear something like a backfire on throttle blip. Timing, nope. Pulled valve cover and saw rear stud nut was gone. Found nut and washer and stud had snapped at the nut. I used a torque wrench when I assembled so I don't know why it failed. I stole a stud from the tr2 and reassembled and adjusted the valves. No more backfiring, but a lot of racket. As the rear pedestal is vital to the oil feed I imagine that it starved the rocker arm of oil and the assy is toast. Do you think I did additional damage to the head? Thanks Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 10:32:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62A92D0C16 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 10:32:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651382D0BBA for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:40:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=dfbot_F9jqQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=yKM9X4uzGxGLbuw5z-YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C0/2D-05935-21A45AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 15:41:06 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:41:06 -0700 Message-ID: <011d01cd2ad5$7ca0dc50$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0qzG+95Kt5Mu4fQFCm0NLI+w5QwwAB3w/w In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Broken rear stud for rocker arm assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > As the rear pedestal is vital to the oil feed I imagine that > it starved the > rocker arm of oil and the assy is toast. > > Do you think I did additional damage to the head? My guess is that something else is going on, not just lack of oil. One of my former TR3s had the oil passage to the head totally blocked (likely due to improper cam bearing installation but I never tore it down to find out). It was driven probably 10,000 miles that way (the pushrods were rusty!), and while the wear was fairly severe, it was still running well enough when I finally discovered the problem. Unless you don't care what happens, I'd suggest pulling the head for inspection. I think you're going to find some foreign object in the combustion chamber, that blocked a valve from opening and caused the stud to snap. Or you could try out one of the new bore scopes from HF. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 15:43:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B442D0C27 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 15:43:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2582D0B4D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120505205216.FZYA18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 16:52:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.109] ([68.101.93.128]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id 6LsF1j00T2mAPT002LsGLz; Sat, 05 May 2012 16:52:16 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4FA59300.002B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CYya90xMJmhdzLh3tvutbK6t+plSfedX6DdwjXLSCKc= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SLPJinF01R2KtpwFSTMQQA==:17 a=5LN9tRDk4NJwAXPla-wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SLPJinF01R2KtpwFSTMQQA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=tr6guy@cox.net From: Cox X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) Message-Id: <22C1D361-4639-4C5C-A590-A4E2C81A0A84@cox.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 16:52:16 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [TR] Tr6 steering rack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have any issues with a new quick ratio steering rack from Vicky Brit. Nobody else seems to sell the quick ratio. Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala fl 75 TR6 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 16:16:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8582D0C52 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 16:16:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B232D080E for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 15:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.100.23.244]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3K00029K1M3Y60@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 05 May 2012 16:36:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 17:37:11 -0400 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-index: AQK4J5oLzbRartuP0xMHqppyx7nEpALcRr6alM7blbA= Expiry-date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:00:00 -0400 Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Heater leak test X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Found a great radiator shop here in Tampa. They did a pressure check on all three cores I had. Two - no leaks at all; the third - well - it will cost about 40-60 to fix but not needed right now. I'll set it on the shelf for later thoughts. This results in two complete heater units - one with a brand new motor and the other a little 'tired'. Today it goes to its new 'home' and then the dash, gauges and all of the electrical connections. All have been tested both in/out of the dash. It really is getting closer and closer.... Thanks to all who offered suggestions. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2012 looks like the year.. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:56 AM Subject: [TR] TR3 Heater leak test I need to test the heater core before I install it. Any do's don'ts? Is there any issue with hooking up a hose to both sides and let water flow through? I would think that it shouldn't be 'closed' at the other end because I believe the pressure would be too high. Thanks Carl ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 17:16:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0822D0713 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 17:16:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EA32D0B5D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 16:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q45MKNdd025285; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:20:23 -0400 Received: from core-dnd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dnd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.201]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 17F51E000085; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Harrymague@aol.com Message-ID: <1f834.384d2417.3cd701a6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:20:22 -0400 (EDT) To: tr6guy@cox.net, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 19 X-Originating-IP: [184.58.1.126] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336256423; bh=JfZ6DPZuzEvVuy1b5IiKTkIS2v96CzHqv1utKXTvhq4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i9gvFiCQrOKeS6U/MqkZUaca2spyGFD5g+5QKURrE9Utrz3sfqc55zfOloGO5h6KW vPvDWvJcbaLKIqXqjOPZRgRVL+yooPqie5vRMjONyNKcq5FE2EO9IuNJMh6sL11PQV nm+daehGaNX3lxhSgy7SUgcN7e+wEe4eNokTkOAg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484727392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094fa5a7a72810 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Tr6 steering rack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the rack in my car for the last two years. Great when driving. Real bear when the car is slow or backing, but that is just the non power steering. I recommend it!!! Only thing that bothers me is there is no way to "grease" the gear. Asked, but there seems to be no way to grease. My Two Cents. Harry Mague 1974 Tr6 Beavercreed, OH In a message dated 5/5/2012 5:44:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tr6guy@cox.net writes: Anyone have any issues with a new quick ratio steering rack from Vicky Brit. Nobody else seems to sell the quick ratio. Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala fl 75 TR6 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/harrymague@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 20:23:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175322D0B4D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 20:23:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB7F2D09B1 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 19:31:23 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LNrkseq9 c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=FgVGHcAxr8EA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=FEGBXGGavpcLAIk0yFoA:9 a=hBrCmB_KatoSpBcOnTUA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EqkhAz92Ym-ntqeB:21 a=VLu84Tt35P8epkia:21 a=ZQ39oqYPevnwBdBbGF4A:9 a=3tTnuzE6LykoexwOTfQA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50625] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 57/30-08248-D84D5AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 21:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 21:35:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Problems with my SU HS-6 carburetor(s) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, Well, I thought I was well on my way to finishing up the rebuild of my two SU HS-6 carburetors on my TR4A IRS when I received the new SM needles.. I switched out the needle on the rear carburetor and no problems. I removed the needle from the front carburetor piston and when I laid it down next to the old one from the rear carburetor, In noticed it was about a quarter of an inch shorter than the rear one!! It got worse when I installed the new SM needle in the front carburetor piston and then dropped the piston back into the front carburetor and it stuck about 3/4 of the way down. I didn't want to force it down so off came the carburetors again.. I posted some pictures on my website in the carburetor rebuild page but the long and short of it is that it seems the needle is not centered in the hole for the main jet! I am not sure what to try next. I think in the morning I will try and put a square next to the needle in the piston and see if the hole is perpendicular to the base of the piston. The needles are brand new and look straight. If there is anybody out there that has rebuilt HS-6 carburetors, please take a look at the pictures on my website and see what you think. If you need more pictures let me know. The website is http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a In the nav panel go to Check my Progress and click on the HS-6 link at the top. Scoll down to the bottom for the pictures of the needles and main jet holes. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 22:56:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FCE2D0B3D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 22:56:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B262D0AE0 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 22:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [108.15.92.199]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3L004LR21M7070@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 05 May 2012 23:05:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "ptegler" To: "Dave Connitt" , References: Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 00:06:09 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] Problems with my SU HS-6 carburetor(s) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptegler List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...what did you use to center the main jet body? there are alignment tools that you place in the needle mount that sticks down into the jet so when you tighten the nut the jet guide tube is centered in the body. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Connitt" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: [TR] Problems with my SU HS-6 carburetor(s) > Hi List, > Well, I thought I was well on my way to finishing up the rebuild of my two > SU > HS-6 carburetors on my TR4A IRS when I received the new SM needles.. > I switched out the needle on the rear carburetor and no problems. I > removed > the needle from the front carburetor piston and when I laid it down next > to > the old one from the rear carburetor, In noticed it was about a quarter of > an > inch shorter than the rear one!! It got worse when I installed the new SM > needle in the front carburetor piston and then dropped the piston back > into > the front carburetor and it stuck about 3/4 of the way down. I didn't want > to > force it down so off came the carburetors again.. I posted some pictures > on my > website in the carburetor rebuild page but the long and short of it is > that it > seems the needle is not centered in the hole for the main jet! I am not > sure > what to try next. I think in the morning I will try and put a square next > to > the needle in the piston and see if the hole is perpendicular to the base > of > the piston. The needles are brand new and look straight. > If there is anybody out there that has rebuilt HS-6 carburetors, please > take a > look at the pictures on my website and see what you think. If you need > more > pictures let me know. > The website is http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a In the nav panel go to > Check my > Progress and click on the HS-6 link at the top. Scoll down to the bottom > for > the pictures of the needles and main jet holes. > > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 02:32:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F022D0B5D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 02:32:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3942D0AC3 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 01:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so4134741lag.14 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ihC/FEpzm2Ugroz8VI27e5Owstvel7m7/sLMbZIxqtc=; b=GTyfAA0KBdPgm9FsOqHrcQVQnO9GQ1ohBE5MQGzEYqHkVJrTBxoTWRWxKk0y3tFqGa x4M24a85mST3EGbQpydknPs+82WGST3U3pZeYzQD7mPC4emOSbxxRnZG5H3NC3evxnWO G6XFYkU+/OXglJ7QOwfQ4ruxBxBdHEwUaBTVpvSjYD49jYElZ9sUcQDURK4hgZwrWgjQ 5JOqzkNXjDb9dxr55ql5XXKW4WmUiTWANKjv3y+GCujhhHIPUeE53+YviPbRpySqdxik Zf/t4nkHNgSJYZhvesmaZIF+tYue51VtH+YtT7MERz+oG654kwkMAWpyPrXshXVjuwDU ylGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.71 with SMTP id eo7mr5518070lbb.84.1336290571615; Sun, 06 May 2012 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.52 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [86.23.98.255] In-Reply-To: <1f834.384d2417.3cd701a6@aol.com> References: <1f834.384d2417.3cd701a6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:49:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: Harrymague@aol.com X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk7dVfxeSn+L+Qr0uRfMctPDQf3p72TcW08M1D2rKNVqv0J2apT5wirjhsN397n8zEGlWRd X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tr6 steering rack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can manufacture your own a high ratio steering rack yourself by using the internal rack and pinion from a Triumph Herald or possibly a Mk 3 Spitfire. This would give the required 2.5 turns lock to lock. This was the method used in the 1960s and 70s by the Ford works rally team in Europe on the Ford Escort. Yes, it fitted the Ford steering rack casing. They even used the Herald steering coupling and marketed this coupling as a superior modification for the Rallysport versions of the Escort at four times the price of a Herald one! As for the greasing issue this can only be done at the build stage and then filled with a 1/10th of a pint of oil evenly split between both ends before fastening up the rubber bellows. Adrian TR4A CT 64306 O Wales UK On 5 May 2012 23:20, wrote: > I had the rack in my car for the last two years. Great when driving. > Real bear when the car is slow or backing, but that is just the non power > steering. I recommend it!!! Only thing that bothers me is there is no > way to > "grease" the gear. Asked, but there seems to be no way to grease. My Two > Cents. > Harry Mague > 1974 Tr6 > Beavercreed, OH > > > In a message dated 5/5/2012 5:44:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tr6guy@cox.net writes: > > Anyone have any issues with a new quick ratio steering rack from Vicky > Brit. > Nobody else seems to sell the quick ratio. > Thanks in advance, > Jim Henningsen > Ocala fl > 75 TR6 > 62 TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/harrymague@aol.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 03:04:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0F32D0AC3 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 03:04:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAB52D0ABA for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 02:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [108.15.92.199]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3L00CVWEDZLA00@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:32:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "ptegler" To: , , "triumphgt6@yahoogroups.com" <"CARS triumphgt6"@yahoogroups.com>, , Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 04:20:42 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Hill CountryTriumph web site X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptegler List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey...anyone know anyone that has an address to anyone that maintains the Hill Country Triumph website? Their website has a trojan on it! Trojan.JS.Redirector.VP is coming up on three different scanners (I checked with) after my AV software stopped the page from loading here. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 08:27:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208762D0ABC for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:27:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 81BAA2D0A4F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 13:47:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 13:47:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 13:47:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1336312045; bh=aXBNZh+JaWj+M5xQHK7BsIC7IyQZRXkOXhMLNjehanU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=k1nl+yjq3S0+Vz4QsTbT++DNl6SphNtEaLC1IG8Le3/33K8UK3hhRtdAJhVoCnfFas6Z4RJOCFw8+JHssYmpobdte2zG0c34HgV9MC/fMax0cAJpFrry2UypaVuc4SpjLwdgW/rvk++L3AxIvqEmfVTJsaY3FHDDlq3w7VKK2gs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 363001.58540.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5tPGcGgVM1khRsYJLDtwxwZ4i9O.mC8mX1R81HaxyWoE0NC wXcCHKIiqx_037KRWKI0.Qjjz3oq6_BsAdslVcvyKFP37fcOj9TmPeGK9uJV l7dmFJv2PAXO6UKT4OepQG2.1Byw6KHI1rxZ9tTQZdR5OEUNp903JHVhi.0_ 3nT13osp8hTmbpE9n5UgDcL34NAdwtxVI7pER7aetXdgRDzmBPgIbGPE53sw uG_vYhRYyNTeHvxUdZmf0FW0R7GGv_i9zZozUHCdub8jRUeEl56ksdlQlzTn vS5U64Z8IodjqIQrQAXsOmpKtLxJc9ced.Zdw7R_M4sxLGRT7iYCxU2FvTs1 94wpAxNKYOtaSXAn6kSYwgvL5e9zxF0r_MlzeEqr2p._iiT1.yZEhI15qFej RLviGLlfhLybEXE7Sc9zKIzM3PBV74unicmhLI1SJJwLsD8Xmu2cL8sNT7H_ fxeCrxwvGTSnJKdAcZlx8p7WaWp2jOmGUw4C8RT8kMiC_RNPkP.et7D3vj5q zynGHgBTyfnxiFGT7lymC3yjxRFTmyGNR.WC.N9Uu5JJy_ziLyS_W7CLzkHa bJuuRzpFtbbr7WIZtbi7iMVKvSMfBnw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2012 06:47:25 -0700 PDT From: To: "'ptegler'" , , , "'triumphgt6@yahoogroups.com'" <"CARS triumphgt6"@yahoogroups.com>, , References: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:47:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0rZ2Y14Ialzr3YQVegfHjijURuOQAJvm3A Cc: webmaster@hillcountrytriumphclub.org Subject: Re: [TR] Hill CountryTriumph web site X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, Jim Icenhower [webmaster@hillcountrytriumphclub.org] I checked the page, McAfee killed the harmful java script but allowed the page to load. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ptegler Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net; triumph-gt6-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com; triumphgt6@yahoogroups.com; nass@yahoogroups.com; Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TR] Hill CountryTriumph web site Hey...anyone know anyone that has an address to anyone that maintains the Hill Country Triumph website? Their website has a trojan on it! Trojan.JS.Redirector.VP is coming up on three different scanners (I checked with) after my AV software stopped the page from loading here. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:48:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86262D0B43 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:48:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE58D2C0526 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39so2521333qaf.2 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=p0id2zit3susMNT8LqG67uHx3O41yCim01HxRBlFa1s=; b=AQ+SGLY1UIxNHp7s19duvLdIH8Ei9wxXoWc3puVM6dNihxkGWU2b+6fdA9j4oKaw3h pBnkzCm9IzepSvp2UOFRSrffAIfgNElEQB55hhNrS5PMXtpHevX6KeqeJpnzE57ueSTh 9M/thuBKbVKOfnHJXikGDh8HKWyRYFyro82521jjaZFXS+fyqLthmMCIIN5VY+a8uvPT Ggo47R/VggrrnW4KfJI0qYSjnLRtxLhj1sqRCON53N+bUAcURjU0HO/FegOR91xUPTDE Qa2qqFmrLPrJ5Ruj/cfda7Oq/78+tul3ilFV/GDgeBeSxfTKN7hRzgibkZ9yUjUOEPIG zvJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.105.202 with SMTP id u10mr20550544qao.54.1336317684746; Sun, 06 May 2012 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.240.82 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:21:24 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aKb8i8JAYZu2JlkQp4W1WIobGms Message-ID: From: Irv Korey To: TRiumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I treated myself to a new Moto-Lita steering wheel a couple of weeks ago. Since I installed it, the horns have blown several times without pushing the horn button, usually when steering to the left. This happened twice while we were moving (pushing and steering) the car at our club tune-up clinic yesterday. My car has air horns, and they are LOUD. I know the horns are wired hot all of the time and that the horn button provides the ground for the circuit. My old wheel and hub assembly used a different horn contact design than the stock wheel and I never experienced this. The Moto-Lita uses the same system as the stock wheel, the spring loaded bush that goes through the hub. I'm guessing that the stock horn bush arrangement is more sensitive to whatever is causing this. Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 12:19:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B972D0C23 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:19:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891742D099A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 11:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120506173333.UVIA24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:33:33 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id 6hZY1j0094zsG5S03hZYMZ; Sun, 06 May 2012 13:33:32 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FA6B5EC.00AD,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-CM-Score: NA Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Irv Korey'" , "'TRiumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0rqCF9SYfyXdDpRoKk6W8wx1CMyAABdB2g Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Irv, that sounds sooooooo familiar. When it happened to me on my Spit, I found that the problem was in the turn signal wiring. When I turned the wheel to a certain point. The horn shorted out against the turn signal switch. If you have slop in the steering shaft bushings, that could provide enough play to cause this to happen. Good luck, Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:21 AM To: TRiumphs Subject: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own I treated myself to a new Moto-Lita steering wheel a couple of weeks ago. Since I installed it, the horns have blown several times without pushing the horn button, usually when steering to the left. This happened twice while we were moving (pushing and steering) the car at our club tune-up clinic yesterday. My car has air horns, and they are LOUD. I know the horns are wired hot all of the time and that the horn button provides the ground for the circuit. My old wheel and hub assembly used a different horn contact design than the stock wheel and I never experienced this. The Moto-Lita uses the same system as the stock wheel, the spring loaded bush that goes through the hub. I'm guessing that the stock horn bush arrangement is more sensitive to whatever is causing this. Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 13:14:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A2A2D0C69 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:14:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27CF2D0AA6 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.21] helo=mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SR5qM-0004Yd-0W for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:06:02 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SR5qL-0002Gz-Px; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:06:01 -0400 Received: from webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.17]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 6i611j00R0N5H5E01i61RV; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:06:01 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=DNMNElxb c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=ZAO6yLcjpF8A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=UJUBP5zd91I51cG_dHgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NXqU3YP/RUmPXXhrMXkjfA==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.16.17 X-EN-IMPSID: 6i611j00R0N5H5E01i61RV Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SR5q1-0002le-DJ; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:05:41 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: <6fc6d3af5c1b8822695cc32fa55a3c77.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:05:41 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Irv Korey" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: TRiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > ...the horns have blown several times without pushing the horn button, > usually when steering to the left..... > Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. > I had this problem on my 73 TR6. I made a new bushing for the top of the steering column (sorry, I didn't record the dimensions) that eliminated 'play' in all directions. It was this movement that allowed the turn signal clip to contact the horn ring and sound the horns on hard turns. As an added benefit, I was able to move the turn signal switch in a bit and now the turn signals never fail to self cancel. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 13:15:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5481F2D0C6E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:15:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E7C2D076A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:05:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120506180628.UZFL10966.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:06:28 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.139.40]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 6i6T1j00C0sV6Ds05i6Tcs; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:06:28 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=1F-HOIdIGasA:10 a=ZAO6yLcjpF8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=sB3BXsIfANGg2wjxVdtBBQ==:17 a=wTA87CKbD7MH-A1nT1QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=sB3BXsIfANGg2wjxVdtBBQ==:117 Message-ID: <4FA6BDA4.4010500@charter.net> Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:06:28 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120506-0, 05/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/6/2012 11:21 AM, Irv Korey wrote: > Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. When I had this problem (on an old Volkswagen Bus), it was because the wire going down inside the steering column had lost some insulation, and was grounding inside the shaft. Perhaps adding the new w somehow changed the wire so that it's a problem like that now. You could remove the horn button, and see if ti still happens. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:01:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A189B2D0C4D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:01:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CC72D0A73 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:19:48 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LNrkseq9 c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=SKklsFzWFCpB691Lhr8A:9 a=Eq0z3Zr4iyOWh9qBqBYA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=eZdJz6Y0-aWhul1LOGMA:9 a=aJ_A3ZWUeoQJT0NTcccA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50505] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 91/CA-08248-6E0C6AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:20:22 -0400 Message-ID: <28F3015FD68F40ABBE36142BC118D668@DaveLaptop> From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:24:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] SU HS-6 needles X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, Well, with the help of Bill Beech and Micheal Marr I was able to fix my SU HS-6 problem with the front carb needle not dropping down all the way. I just had to center the jet and all is well. Next problem is how to remove some of the slack in the throttle linkage were the bell crank between the carbs converts the front/back motion to up/down. Kinda sloppy.. Thanks again! Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:04:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BCA2D0C3F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:04:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C797D2D0A08 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6i2l1j00A1c6gX855ivC3R; Sun, 06 May 2012 18:55:12 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.113]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6ivC1j0192SagsU3jivCvc; Sun, 06 May 2012 18:55:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:55:12 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Joe Curry Message-ID: <15592681.37088.1336330512605.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [75.67.80.110] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: TRiumphs , Irv Korey Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Back to this, one question: >FWIW, on my engine with the inadequate liner protrusion, I found that adding >the 20 AWG "half hard" copper wire to a stock head gasket was easy and very >effective. Superglue didn't occur to me, so I used ordinary 'electronic' >grade solder and a soldering gun. Randall, what size gun did you use? I've always had a hard time heating a big surface with a gun enough to solder a wire to it. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 15:45:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6443B2D0C76 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:45:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D142D0B72 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W47 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 6 May 2012 13:37:43 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.199.207.209] From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: , Triumph List Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 15:37:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2012 20:37:43.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[16573540:01CD2BC8] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Irv- Yes, uncontrolled tooting can be embarrassing! I had the same problem on my TR4 - you may want to slightly pull the hub away from the column, that was my problem - the motolita hub itself was touching the horn pickup, and it happens if there is any play in the column bushings which is pretty common. Loosen the clamp at the firewall in the engine bay to move the inner/outer steering column. Just a 1/16-1/8" or so extra and you can eliminate the issue I think. Randy > Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:21:24 -0500 > From: emanteno@comcast.net > To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own > > I treated myself to a new Moto-Lita steering wheel a couple of weeks ago. > Since I installed it, the horns have > blown several times without pushing the horn button, usually when steering > to the left. This happened twice while we were > moving (pushing and steering) the car at our club tune-up clinic yesterday. > My car has air horns, and they are LOUD. > Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U > Highland Park, IL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:50:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7BD2D0969 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:50:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB0A2D0C2B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:42:02 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LNrkseq9 c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=QFIrTO56_CYGxwmEQtAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=yUosE0DkgDdYPhLGBTAA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50334] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 3A/32-08248-D6C07AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 19:42:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:46:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find them. Interresting.... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 19:50:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1012D0CA2 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:50:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F0E2D0943 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by werc12 with SMTP id c12so11359wer.14 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=N4TCikyGYL3kWkV0Qw1GKx+gV7JPG7akXBIMYReEaSQ=; b=GI/JDWxy8BFj5pOMxuvVCFLeIPcWzQqss6uLx0HMP9mPWbY3QdmKD3X/JPhCkKYPGI ExxMY99cOFDhrs3lwLCWIlbB7h2Pyi/nSDFW1ddFH/pra00oHbC/4lcz+uGY++r+LwwY aF735WNe+KGMgPKfgILaJpq6yxMKjjennMXKroXkrUyOd4ZpqQzEbAnMexaK4hijRq7g gDnlsMn47GSTYspaDCtj8oEPQdU4OtxL+xxGreQi6T9zBr1C2FWx4fFKHSuMdyrhIBzS B4uL9C9KWe9YE5CsfPvThhhCgO+kBj73yERRYkqr0FJonPO2Jvl/OWst5LtcZ4Ut9fPF ov2Q== Received: by 10.180.75.241 with SMTP id f17mr30387015wiw.11.1336350694351; Sun, 06 May 2012 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:31:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 20:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumph List , emanteno@comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net second that. I autocrossed a few years ago and the horn went off on every left turn That was the highlight of my run - unfortunately. On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter < deruiterville@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Irv- > > Yes, uncontrolled tooting can be embarrassing! I had the same problem on > my > TR4 - you may want to slightly pull the hub away from the column, that was > my > problem - the motolita hub itself was touching the horn pickup, and it > happens > if there is any play in the column bushings which is pretty common. Loosen > the clamp at the firewall in the engine bay to move the inner/outer > steering > column. Just a 1/16-1/8" or so extra and you can eliminate the issue I > think. > > Randy > > > Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:21:24 -0500 > > From: emanteno@comcast.net > > To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net > > Subject: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own > > > > I treated myself to a new Moto-Lita steering wheel a couple of weeks ago. > > Since I installed it, the horns have > > blown several times without pushing the horn button, usually when > steering > > to the left. This happened twice while we were > > moving (pushing and steering) the car at our club tune-up clinic > yesterday. > > My car has air horns, and they are LOUD. > > > Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. > > > > Irv Korey > > 74 TR6 CF22767U > > Highland Park, IL > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:36:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF612D0C2E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:36:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005892D0C77 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8ba55.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.186.85]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M3M00I5BOT39L50@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 21:15:29 -0400 From: George Richardson In-reply-to: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Connitt Message-id: <4FA72231.8050302@key-men.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120506-1, 05/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interestingly, RATCO no longer seems to have a web site. The every time I've tried it over the last month or so, I get redirected to various other sites. Anyone know what happened? George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 5/6/2012 7:46 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find > them. > Interresting.... > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:38:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE722D0A03 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:38:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A236B2D0C7B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120507012424.YRE24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:24:24 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 6pQL1j00R2TnnaX05pQQXG; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:24:24 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=kinJTJQLAAAA:8 a=NAjVbAkUAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=yXln_utA2jNRWGZFs7UA:9 a=i04UhxemNfS1AmOorXoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=w4w4SMnyTpEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> In-Reply-To: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: <002801cd2bf0$203a9cf0$60afd6d0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLnnUhYWwcFn6mb97hTpCbOy/S2xpSIpTTQ Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave - Try the following - www.rat-co.com or http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find them. Interresting.... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:39:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42952D0CAE for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:39:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF682D0C72 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q471Wdvj005043; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:32:39 -0400 Received: from core-dua003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dua003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.164.9]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 15551E00008A; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:32:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ElangTR4@aol.com Message-ID: <19999.4a659b9c.3cd88036@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:32:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5003 X-Originating-IP: [69.208.3.192] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336354359; bh=zGg1mB18KBZ9/XcYM0KDy9J1t54wW380mJ71J3cYExI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mRieZlvzmwaoX6YqMOyGWd9UdFPNUNLVZEan087X7awc9hLZ5X5VE8W0eJMiWwICL P+5Pbn390Y6v5ZW2+e3cF6d9K9ipJXyp5555yBPxhlcupTX//UbLmaneixraOy2SVd L8ZwHjxNyIp3t6nA/24MKwT+8XKZf1eCoI2KQ/hE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322149440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4fa726376dcc X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] tr-6 surrey top? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pat, The surrey top will fit a TR6, the tubs are essentially the same. There's a guy in my neighborhood who's got one on his TR6. Looks kinda cool, I did a double take the first time I saw it. Eric L. 71 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:42:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652F52D0CBD for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:42:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533F2D0C7B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:33:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=ZAO6yLcjpF8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HqotvmjNAAAA:20 a=Zy0IEzJNRXmWmpGxXdMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=V7oCakMXIp0A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 23/6B-16302-99627AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 01:34:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <15592681.37088.1336330512605.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:34:17 -0700 Message-ID: <026001cd2bf1$853a8510$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0rw4AECwi+N86QTTOnGhsyJR7FywAK0evA In-Reply-To: <15592681.37088.1336330512605.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Cc: 'TRiumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Randall, what size gun did you use? I've always had a hard > time heating a big surface with a gun enough to solder a wire to it. I believe it was rated at 140 or 150 watts. Unfortunately, it seems I've managed to lose it after all these years, so I bought a new one the other day (only gun they had, rated 200 watts). But the copper face of the stock gasket is pretty thin, and you only need to get a small area hot enough to melt solder. It didn't seem to be a problem at all. Clean the surface thoroughly first, of course. I used Tarn-X this time, which seems to work fine. Last time, I scrubbed with a Scotch-Brite pad and then smeared the area with soldering flux; which also worked fine. Here's a photo: http://goo.gl/WRV2C I'll mention these items just because someone else said they didn't know: 1) The tip of the gun should be in good condition, with large flat area to contact the head gasket and a clean bright layer of solder (aka tinning). If it is pitted or blackened, dress it back to shape with a file and then re-tin with solder. Mine tend to erode into a U-shape over time that doesn't transfer heat well. If there isn't enough metal left to dress to shape, buy a new tip (they're only a few dollars). 2) Avoid lead-free solder if you can. It's much harder to work with, IMO. Rosin-core "eutectic" (aka 63/37) is the hot setup (though it's more expensive than solid core plumbing solder). Kester is my favorite brand, but Alpha is good, too. 3) Weller guns (only kind I know) have a pair of nuts or setscrews that hold the tip to the gun. It's worthwhile to occasionally loosen and retighten those, as the copper tip tends to develop a layer of corrosion that will impede current flow (and hence reduce heat). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 20:43:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1A22D0CAF for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:43:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865162D08A1 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhj19 with SMTP id hj19so92355wib.2 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BwM6BHgWoENzVWRnfBzjR+CzCueKz6eEoGq1YFitXaE=; b=zSCISzgmlGIp4PmlOFoVJU06q9PIH1O2so9Jdi2QPseZRT9g2NcmfwrVZEaJCxP1Ug NgCQ6Y1NkQ4JWvpXxsyhuDtzVYgvGlHnFa/bYauDAwix/RRDkBwhSrv5FvR55UyaryH6 meFWdE/Y/FU3iEnnQuC+n5HlnXmkhAQ+z2tj+1DuyGPaVqXdqGlVXW66AIoyA1UwNxHi j5qVemDxfb9pQqtJnPM8j4urCjN9rsCuZ94NAKcmYaCLKVr0Fq3jlrvRjTnIynTxolBj /2v1K8J5eR7K4Hr4XxK50gGAcZzHeKPkMJRt0nhwlN9nxEWe0SJR8HUubYOFs/Nhhk6i fmOw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.105.194 with SMTP id go2mr30759127wib.22.1336355190084; Sun, 06 May 2012 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:46:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <011d01cd2ad5$7ca0dc50$0601a8c0@randall> References: <011d01cd2ad5$7ca0dc50$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: Randall X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Broken rear stud for rocker arm assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK. Here's an update. I'm gonna share the whole experience. Gonna regret it later. Motor is making bad noises. That being said, I'm not at solution stage yet. But I'm having fun getting there. So I said I had a bad noise. Since then I've found a few issues (sheepishly...) I thought i needed to add fluif to the transmission and had the hose blow into the transmission. Got past that. I then saw that one of the manifold to headpipe nuts had backed off. Took care of that. I pulled the Rocker assy and it seemed OK. Compression check was good (155,162,167,165). I then found the belt seemed loose. On the way to tighten it, i pondered why it would be loose and shortly saw the water pump nut had sheared off.... and also destroyed the water pump pulley.... I greased up the old tr2 pump (love the grease fitting) and put it on (surprised at how freely it turns). I The pulley is messed up and I'll need to go to my stash and pull one. I've put the messed up one on it on there in the meantime. So why did the rocker arm stud shear off? I went back to the rocker shaft and it seemed in good shape and no noticible play. I did see one push rod at number 4 that appeared to wobble when I rotated it. That's when I really screwed up. I pulled the push rod and could tell the lifter was stuck to it. I shook and wiggled and felt it had dropped back into it's hole. Nope. It decided to lay sideways.... there is alot of room for unrestrained lifters to flop about in a tractor engine. Took an hour and three beers to get it back in the hole. (Not going there ) buttoned back up and the noise is still there. I then pulled the head and all looks good. Now i'm kicking myself for not taking the belt off to eliminate the water pump and alternator first..... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 21:43:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926382D0CA7 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:43:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1597D2D0C4E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120507023342.IZLB24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>; Sun, 6 May 2012 22:33:42 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id 6qZh1j00G4zsG5S03qZhdB; Sun, 06 May 2012 22:33:42 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FA73486.002E,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=C8abFshcMEwyz0paYwQSb88F2WUMutG03sIAbwi6qSk= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XYLOUCOdgXzJF6gC6zkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> In-Reply-To: <4F9EEC3D715A47E99AD6948074A786A8@DaveLaptop> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:33:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0r65KSNyVlFJxcRiiUuJun1fil2AADjB3w Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Their web site seems to be down. Maybe they are having server problems. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find them. Interresting.... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 00:47:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B422D0D30 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 00:47:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC412D0C85 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 23:15:26 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1336367760; x=1336972560; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; bh=tQfBkwRMfB/wNFaGm E1IskIhEwDZnoiwRqfF5pFwq14=; b=2t1m/vbxwH+R9AmlTxl23LC9Qpjv3k3kn bUb3garR/we7duirZPD0qSsJ+o2/TVKhBISMBpwstUk641NIVZkVRbUy+aDxXqcO 8mcT+O8lMxwu/31LLENpWQkP161I6AJ2+edL1qsEPNfghnwMrMxIc5akKjxl9GWZ 5VCDcOXGYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=I/P7CjZ9df8dZpMBhKgiPI7qRwTdOXuGdBcbRn7Ccg8/3H3e/0ywD5ltYCNq 7E6idxly2oUS/VZfCsJYCNXNBh3z4i0C5yThvwTci7AxjIiBCnGHNUYGk enRgkoPHQtLopHxGygS2QTSd6VIvKal0g9QYj426oZIgbM1e3mJWaw=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Mon, 07 May 2012 01:16:00 -0400 Received: from WorldClient by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 13-md50000109977.msg for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 01:16:00 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Mon, 07 May 2012 01:16:00 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120507:md50000109977::w9kdpVKZjxHwOE3e:00008BxX X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from [70.24.207.236] by indiefilmnet.com via WorldClient with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 01:15:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 01:15:55 -0400 From: "Mark Hooper" To: "Alex & Janet Thomson" , "'Dave Connitt'" , triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: WorldClient 12.5.5 In-Reply-To: <2169271c.1cd2bfb.cb467e7.32a6@charter.net> References: <2169271c.1cd2bfb.cb467e7.32a6@charter.net> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I look at it, the web site has prices on everything but the linkage. Mark 72 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Alex & Janet Thomson To: 'Dave Connitt' , triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 22:39:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage Dave - Try the following - www.rat-co.com or http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find them. Interresting.... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 01:47:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B797C2D0D10 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 01:47:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFCA2D0D48 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 00:47:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=8vDV3KkofldsTB_ky-EA:9 a=lOzfRitaFD5LsRH9w2UA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wwYdaF6k-6kA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55010] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E7/F3-05935-92077AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 06:48:09 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "Steve & Janet Hedke" , "Jim Funkhouser" Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 23:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <027901cd2c1d$5de90b40$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0sHV1OkNOx1FvlQlWaRTvtFHOw4Q== Cc: 'TRiumphs' Subject: [TR] TR 2000 FS near Los Angeles X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Spotted on Craigslist: 1966 Triumph 2000 Sedan Parts Car. Nearly complete but no engine or trans. Rust free California car. Could be restored or candidate for engine conversion. $650.00 obo. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/pts/3000489932.html -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 05:50:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408E32D0CAF for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 05:50:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8E62D09D1 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 04:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120507103023.EOMH24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 7 May 2012 06:30:23 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 6yWL1j00D2TnnaX05yWPGe; Mon, 07 May 2012 06:30:23 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=AgxwcHfMAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=kinJTJQLAAAA:8 a=NAjVbAkUAAAA:20 a=6exdpVdNljxER1tU67cA:9 a=nebQOFjkrtnbiTVje30A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w4w4SMnyTpEA:10 a=Bejx1G9E4r8A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1phMu4CbmELMImGbj-wA:9 a=bI_I199DZweS8a4c3OEA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: , "'Dave Connitt'" , References: <2169271c.1cd2bfb.cb467e7.32a6@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000801cd2c3c$65f07610$31d16230$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKqCAD5z/4kRdpRkw/HmzuFnGa+wQH5z6bPlPSZmhA= Content-language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check out the "price list" in the "Performance Upgrade" section of the website. The very first item is the carb linkage kit - $99.95 Alex Thomson From: Mark Hooper [mailto:mhooper@indiefilmnet.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:16 AM To: Alex & Janet Thomson; 'Dave Connitt'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage When I look at it, the web site has prices on everything but the linkage. Mark 72 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Alex & Janet Thomson To: 'Dave Connitt' , triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 22:39:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage Dave - Try the following - www.rat-co.com or http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find them. Interresting.... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 06:53:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A422D0CB7 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 06:53:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BE32D0A23 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 05:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6yUT1j0011vXlb85BzUE9z; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:28:14 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.113]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6zUE1j00v2SagsU3dzUEpU; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:28:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:28:14 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: TRiumphs Message-ID: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <026001cd2bf1$853a8510$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [199.192.1.58] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [TR] Order of Engine Assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When reassembling the engine, I seem to have put the number 2 liner in the #1 engine slot, and #2 into #1. I hate to take it apart because I'm afraid I'll bugger up the figure 8 gaskets. So...new bearings, new rings, honed liners,ground crankshfat...just how critical is it that these go in the same holes? Isn't it the same as if I were buying new liners? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 07:57:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66072D0CB5 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:57:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4042D0C58 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 06:33:50 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1336394065; x=1336998865; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; bh=vOVfAoRfPjy6Pdsfa RzsnnRNYYzN2onqkaLSYikLNBU=; b=4dJHLN5Wyzv/H3/dVJzQv64YTGFFoeDHy enC9ERjxMA8qTwg3cQV/Q60/KVrJgVBhNVC4r7nMuKQ6ZvU2dgq51XdG0fVKBTYG QDN1I+ACnhGswYIrCUhnS/Ek+drT0dQfscPF51cJ6keoziwn2eaC5b8fMLzuTjKV yr0neZFmjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=F0IqVt6ymap5bmbuSBKSuu/BMDuKwmDcF83Yem7b5x/L8HlrAmAH1S3ONpMU GeY9X8Emm/51/PQzKwE/HW7aXvG9IJxHqNdcNPmCa4YTsJqx394upUU/D Exp8reyYVvhV92dPIpMcWWUCAXosOa9srFlcaJdqFXYcSIb50U50wg=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Mon, 07 May 2012 08:34:25 -0400 Received: from WorldClient by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 22-md50000109905.msg for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 08:34:25 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Mon, 07 May 2012 08:34:25 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120507:md50000109905::t8hppimad9Wekwra:00005vFF X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from [70.24.207.236] by indiefilmnet.com via WorldClient with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 08:34:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 08:34:19 -0400 From: "Mark Hooper" To: "Alex & Janet Thomson" , "'Dave Connitt'" , triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: WorldClient 12.5.5 In-Reply-To: References: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My Baaaaaaad! :^) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Alex & Janet Thomson To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com, 'Dave Connitt' , triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 06:30:49 -0400 Subject: RE: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage Check out the "price list" in the "Performance Upgrade" section of the website. The very first item is the carb linkage kit - $99.95 Alex Thomson From: Mark Hooper [mailto:mhooper@indiefilmnet.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:16 AM To: Alex & Janet Thomson; 'Dave Connitt'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage When I look at it, the web site has prices on everything but the linkage. Mark 72 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Alex & Janet Thomson To: 'Dave Connitt' , triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 22:39:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage Dave - Try the following - www.rat-co.com or http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't find them. Interresting.... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 08:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB622D0CB1 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:59:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3812D0A0D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:18:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: "G.D. Huggins" In-Reply-To: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:18:48 -0500 Message-Id: References: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: terryrs@comcast.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: TRiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Order of Engine Assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Terry, The pistons/liners do not come as a strict pairing (unlike the piston and dome for SU carbs), therefore I do not believe it matters. Best of luck on your rebuild. I did my own as well, and so far no major issues. On May 7, 2012, at 6:28 AM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > When reassembling the engine, I seem to have put the number 2 liner in the #1 engine slot, and #2 into #1. I hate to take it apart because I'm afraid I'll bugger up the figure 8 gaskets. > > So...new bearings, new rings, honed liners,ground crankshfat...just how critical is it that these go in the same holes? Isn't it the same as if I were buying new liners? > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 11:17:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C132D0CB3 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:17:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1941E2D08CD for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q47FbpPl014541 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:37:51 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 082DDE000446 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:37:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Clark Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:37:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Message-Id: <2FFEA153-DF88-493A-A281-60979B2C582C@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336405069; bh=ptulxbYXpcqxciL/dngiKkvhzGYfwATwT6P5z0+Ljto=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=uRGf7apzAriV3UcinZpqQEkxP9ZSdETF7zgCo3bcyUKbZ7hQMoWE/d36KmEzE/Wyv gnxlHmylP2Rp7w/oDnyKwa25w3CDptP3BYgoeIZbhJjMMRdRWFhr2Xlpw7zXUIjTFM OkQ8RseRTSe2aBF3wJ18HsZvJYyB78XM/tKBaOjk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:385014080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29024fa7ec4c54e0 X-AOL-IP: 72.213.139.102 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found the website for Ratco but, unfortunately, it won't solve my problem. I have a '72 GT6 with Strombergs and it doesn't have the same linkage as the TR6 or earlier GT6. There is not a cross shaft but, instead, a cable pull that comes from the pedal across the top of the engine to a center top pull. The only adjustment is for play in the linkage. The problem I have is that I can't get full open on the butterflies. Instead I get about 60%. Any suggestions? Sam On May 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" > To: "'Dave Connitt'" , > Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage > Message-ID: <002801cd2bf0$203a9cf0$60afd6d0$@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave - Try the following - > > www.rat-co.com > or > http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ > > Alex Thomson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage > > I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google can't > find them. > Interresting.... > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 13:40:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06CB2D088E for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:40:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E793B2D0749 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 12:29:45 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAEIUqE9KLtTh/2dsb2JhbABEizqQPwOXIYMOAQYNAQFOLAIIAggBCBQ5AQQaCSEbAgECAwGFOIIvFrspkDxjBIgwoRU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,545,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="240339818" X-Originating-IP: [74.46.212.225] Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 07 May 2012 18:30:17 +0000 X-Previous-IP: 74.46.212.225 Received: from Office (74-46-212-225.dsl1.chtw.wv.frontiernet.net [74.46.212.225]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 14CA9940BA for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <393A034E35DE40A9ABC6C86FA02E9EEF@Office> From: "Ed Oot" To: "Triumph List" Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:30:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Slow idle drop X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently installed professionally rebuilt ZS carbs on late TR6 engine. I'm having an issue I hope to get some advice on. After running at speed, say 2500 to 3000 rpm, and then coming to stop, the rpm is very slow to drop to normal idle. I would say it takes about 10 seconds to settle down. The problem is also evident when up shifiting, as the rpm stays high between gears. I have inspected the linkage and don't find that it is hanging up anywhere. Is it possible though that it could be something with the way I reinstalled the linkage? Or could it be that the vacumn advance is not functioning properly, or???? Looking forward to suggestions. TIA Ed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 14:52:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3C42D0A1F for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:52:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2666F2D0745 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xw0_VgBPBwEbcr8bNZkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:51154] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 52/C9-16302-6DF18AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 19:17:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Sam Clark'" , References: <2FFEA153-DF88-493A-A281-60979B2C582C@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2FFEA153-DF88-493A-A281-60979B2C582C@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:17:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000701cd2c86$131622b0$39426810$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0sdVyZZ7QPsN2WRvC4nLbOw8btIgAEIFhg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The problem I have is > that I > can't get full open on the butterflies. Instead I get about 60%. Any > suggestions? You'll have to either shorten the lever arm at the carbs, or make it longer at the pedal. But first check for any lost motion, like a lever slipping on its shaft or something. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 14:55:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21D42D0B39 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:55:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DB22D0A23 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=mR8jr07k58UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=0WQBZs5PFZde1QPjP6IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:51237] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id DB/65-07741-20428AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 19:35:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'TRiumphs'" References: <026001cd2bf1$853a8510$0601a8c0@randall> <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01cd2c88$9006c6b0$b0145410$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0sUIEveQIGBleTSe28BGk2l8GMJgAN+R7w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Order of Engine Assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So...new bearings, new rings, honed liners,ground crankshfat...just how > critical is it that these go in the same holes? Isn't it the same as > if I were buying new liners? Not exactly the same, since the piston and liner will have worn somewhat together. But I wouldn't worry about it. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 16:08:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F602D09E8 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:08:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A272D09F8 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:18:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:17 a=ctP1I5ahBe4A:10 a=6kA67837hEsA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8A2-SfLM0G8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hEh3JUyyAAAA:8 a=lD1-T-BlAAAA:8 a=Bg9GaI10vtXAGlxy6ywA:9 a=YgvhCCEVmk7nU9HWdGwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xD-ygMu-F-cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 98.145.70.134 Received: from [98.145.70.134] ([98.145.70.134:62819] helo=GatewayPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from <308gtsi@roadrunner.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B0/15-07741-54E28AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 20:19:18 +0000 From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi@roadrunner.com> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:19:17 -0700 Message-ID: <002101cd2c8e$ae13e510$0a3baf30$@roadrunner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQJ57agdw006rVeuzh05Q2lTidIZlZVlP+cg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 196 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: 308gtsi@roadrunner.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Terry, I'm assuming you are re-using the original liners & pistons. If so, then the pistons and the liners are "matched" by wear and you could run in to trouble mixing them up. Having homed them doesn't make new again, it just removes some of the ridges and imperfections. Each piston/liner combo is going to wear slightly different. Did you keep the piston with the liner, but just put the set to a different spot? If so, I don't see a problem as long as you put in new rings and bearings. My 2 pence worth. Brian ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:28:14 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: TRiumphs Subject: [TR] Order of Engine Assembly Message-ID: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.com cast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 When reassembling the engine, I seem to have put the number 2 liner in the #1 engine slot, and #2 into #1. I hate to take it apart because I'm afraid I'll bugger up the figure 8 gaskets. So...new bearings, new rings, honed liners,ground crankshfat...just how critical is it that these go in the same holes? Isn't it the same as if I were buying new liners? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 16:11:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91DA2D083E for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:11:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887BE2D09AE for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: "G.D. Huggins" In-Reply-To: <393A034E35DE40A9ABC6C86FA02E9EEF@Office> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: <7F0D407E-19BC-41A7-9E69-1548FD6763F6@genfiniti.com> References: <393A034E35DE40A9ABC6C86FA02E9EEF@Office> To: Ed Oot X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Slow idle drop X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, I've had this happen for two different reasons. The first was that the advance on the dizzy just wouldn't "let go", so the idle range stayed in the advance range. This meant I had to retard the timing a bit so that the car could idle normally. The second involved the choke linkage. Eventually I learned to tighten BOTH the throttle linkage and the choke linkage with the engine running, so I would notice any idle changes as I tightened. This assumes the choke cable is already in and tight. Hope it helps. On May 7, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Ed Oot wrote: > I recently installed professionally rebuilt ZS carbs on late TR6 engine. I'm > having an issue I hope to get some advice on. After running at speed, say > 2500 to 3000 rpm, and then coming to stop, the rpm is very slow to drop to > normal idle. I would say it takes about 10 seconds to settle down. The > problem is also evident when up shifiting, as the rpm stays high between > gears. I have inspected the linkage and don't find that it is hanging up > anywhere. Is it possible though that it could be something with the way I > reinstalled the linkage? Or could it be that the vacumn advance is not > functioning properly, or???? > > Looking forward to suggestions. > TIA > Ed > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 17:23:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920162D09BF for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:23:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E482D06D6 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q47KuSLq030256 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:56:28 -0400 Received: from core-moc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.17]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7034DE000086 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <26a5c.33e9c20e.3cd990fc@cs.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336424188; bh=NaSBjhfSKFkWkvEWeZZT7+uWt1rdGiBUnhRJw9GGPMY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h1T2WXfhYC7u2fqI/cgVjLVoum9y13USJdESiYYRnqvL3si+9zKLcoSsnFf7T4OsE 3pmwTGDKqDbGQPRCJx9jH8JW7Ar9GpfuCfDVU9tuR1s5Kva+tscUSF5T3EdYaeuj/4 kBq+HI4xcoRTsTaea+ozyNTEK7by66toQtvZGRRw= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387373216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4fa836fc15ea X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Slow idle drop X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is more likely to be the vacuum operated over-run valves. They are mounted on the side of the carb next to the throttle shaft. Their job is to open up with vacuum gets high enough to cause excessive emissions. There is a diaghram inside and reacts to the vacuum and opens a valve against an opposing spring. If the spring tension is set too low it will open prematurely and close slowly. You can identify them by the small tower that extends straight out with an adjust screw in the middle. The proper way to adjust these is with a vacuum gauge on the car so your rebuilder may not have been able to adjust them properly. Try loosening up the lock nut and turning the screw in a half turn or so and see if that changes anything. Good luck. Dave In a message dated 5/7/2012 2:39:53 PM Central Daylight Time, eoot@citlink.net writes: > I recently installed professionally rebuilt ZS carbs on late TR6 engine. > I'm > having an issue I hope to get some advice on. After running at speed, say > 2500 to 3000 rpm, and then coming to stop, the rpm is very slow to drop to > normal idle. I would say it takes about 10 seconds to settle down. The > problem is also evident when up shifiting, as the rpm stays high between > gears. I have inspected the linkage and don't find that it is hanging up > anywhere. Is it possible though that it could be something with the way I > reinstalled the linkage? Or could it be that the vacumn advance is not > functioning properly, or???? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 17:24:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBD12D0A26 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:24:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5122D084D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 15:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120507211311.TAAF12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:13:11 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 79D71j00T2TnnaX059DANk; Mon, 07 May 2012 17:13:11 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=5UOi6305AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=kinJTJQLAAAA:8 a=NAjVbAkUAAAA:20 a=pJFo0NRblLxCbdNZbm8A:9 a=sdrBnaPg81frKOwEWbMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=bs-VdIV1R04X7ZE-:21 a=9G0918X3JIy3HW9l:21 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'Sam Clark'" , References: <2FFEA153-DF88-493A-A281-60979B2C582C@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2FFEA153-DF88-493A-A281-60979B2C582C@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:13:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01cd2c96$31f92320$95eb6960$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEbU/yZOfxrAIY1mcH2TX1Ebr0YAwMQfBU3mAoAB0A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe the folks at SpitBits could help. http://www.spitbits.com/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Clark Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 11:38 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage I found the website for Ratco but, unfortunately, it won't solve my problem. I have a '72 GT6 with Strombergs and it doesn't have the same linkage as the TR6 or earlier GT6. There is not a cross shaft but, instead, a cable pull that comes from the pedal across the top of the engine to a center top pull. The only adjustment is for play in the linkage. The problem I have is that I can't get full open on the butterflies. Instead I get about 60%. Any suggestions? Sam On May 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" > To: "'Dave Connitt'" , > Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage > Message-ID: <002801cd2bf0$203a9cf0$60afd6d0$@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave - Try the following - > > www.rat-co.com > or > http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ > > Alex Thomson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage > > I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google > can't find them. > Interresting.... > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 17:27:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AD72D09CA for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:27:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336642D0931 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q47LeYFj003016; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:40:35 -0400 Received: from core-ddb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ddb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.69]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4E7E6E000088; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Message-ID: <3cc70.4e1ce2aa.3cd99b52@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) To: eoot@citlink.net, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 19 X-Originating-IP: [166.248.64.177] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336426835; bh=M5HgmTVSd/nqP8cAOxwcyp5qd3a3OyhJxB78IkdEhQU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G5h15SZjibEW6JaRSMCJ/wYJOgbrKxUqXHOlpGseClVtWs95iWRopl/qBn4jaEIt5 DYvnGCseGJF0SLAcdPba4vjZk0Ldx0WYOzOVYwbIWQS8JRZxqskePhJ5tQdbxbbYzj du+r0R1ccCnPL8f+D/Z7j1imWWd63EOV3QKF7r+I= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476120928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4fa84153394e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Slow idle drop X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Move the throttle linkage by hand and watch for proper return spring action when you let go You should have a return spring on each carb and a return spring on the throttle linkage. A friend had a similar problem and found the return spring missing from one of his 2 rebuilt carbs. If it isn't that, I'd remove air filters - stick finger in mouth of carb, lift air valve with finger, make sure air valve drops quickly and firmly down when you release it. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jack Mc In a message dated 5/7/2012 3:39:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eoot@citlink.net writes: I recently installed professionally rebuilt ZS carbs on late TR6 engine. I'm having an issue I hope to get some advice on. After running at speed, say 2500 to 3000 rpm, and then coming to stop, the rpm is very slow to drop to normal idle. I would say it takes about 10 seconds to settle down. The problem is also evident when up shifiting, as the rpm stays high between gears. I have inspected the linkage and don't find that it is hanging up anywhere. Is it possible though that it could be something with the way I reinstalled the linkage? Or could it be that the vacumn advance is not functioning properly, or???? Looking forward to suggestions. TIA Ed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mai lman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 18:43:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C092D099D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:43:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7032D09AE for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:53:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OMylLFmB c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=mR8jr07k58UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hzW-K6fasbpp691HdYgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:54337] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B4/DE-27984-F9258AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 22:54:23 +0000 Message-ID: <68F11AB5620140EFB278012E625B1872@GregPC> From: "Greg Lemon" To: "G.D. Huggins" , References: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:54:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Cc: TRiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Order of Engine Assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As the others have said, should work, as I recall from a 4 cylinder rebuild many years ago, the liners are supposed to sit ever so slightly proud of the block, the manuals have the specs, should check to make sure they are within spec there, shouldn't matter but slight variations in the liners or block could make a difference. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 20:00:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15DD2D099D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:00:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36102D0976 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:06:59 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Q99QEvKa c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=GSKwm7ONux1-YW8oWNIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=5Emv-rWzU6O8cWDErqUA:9 a=UavEb77XTOpa6t5XcgcA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50056] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 97/7B-07432-7C368AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 20:07:35 -0400 Message-ID: <7FC03F1020534232B2156CFBD5E93A2D@DaveLaptop> From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:11:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle cable X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all regarding locating the Ratco throttle cable website. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 20:01:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13652D09B6 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:01:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7398B2D0980 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120508001702.YORU10966.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:17:02 -0400 Received: from Alan ([97.81.202.216]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 7CH21j00A4gec2h05CH2RQ; Mon, 07 May 2012 20:17:02 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:17 a=W__1Seuvv6uo4czDzcUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:117 Message-ID: <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> From: "Al Salvatore" To: References: <3cc70.4e1ce2aa.3cd99b52@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:17:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody have any ideas on where to get O-rings for the TR6 brake pressure switch, that are brake fluid friendly. I know I can go to Ace and get O-rings, but its the compatability question. The local auto parts stores don't have.. Moss has a repair kit (181-995), but $15.00 plus shipping for just two little o-rings seams a bit much. A couple of years ago they were $8.95. Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 20:03:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330902D0A3F for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:03:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000DC2D0973 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [108.15.92.199]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3O00IXUHQO3N90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 07 May 2012 19:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "ptegler" To: "Alex & Janet Thomson" , "'Sam Clark'" , References: <2FFEA153-DF88-493A-A281-60979B2C582C@aol.com> <000c01cd2c96$31f92320$95eb6960$@charter.net> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:37:58 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptegler List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net yep... bend your pedal arm and adjust the stop behind the pedal so it travels farther Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'Sam Clark'" ; Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage > Maybe the folks at SpitBits could help. > http://www.spitbits.com/ > > Alex Thomson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Clark > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 11:38 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco Throttle Linkage > > I found the website for Ratco but, unfortunately, it won't solve my > problem. > I have a '72 GT6 with Strombergs and it doesn't have the same linkage as > the > TR6 or earlier GT6. There is not a cross shaft but, instead, a cable pull > that comes from the pedal across the top of the engine to a center top > pull. > The only adjustment is for play in the linkage. The problem I have is > that > I can't get full open on the butterflies. Instead I get about 60%. Any > suggestions? > Sam > On May 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > >> From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" >> To: "'Dave Connitt'" , >> Subject: Re: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage >> Message-ID: <002801cd2bf0$203a9cf0$60afd6d0$@charter.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dave - Try the following - >> >> www.rat-co.com >> or >> http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ >> >> Alex Thomson >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt >> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 PM >> To: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [TR] Ratco throttle linkage >> >> I was just looking for the RATCO cable throttle linkage and google >> can't find them. >> Interresting.... >> Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 22:31:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFEA2D095D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:31:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808C12D0950 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:12:18 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OMylLFmB c=1 sm=0 a=fyy8S8a36B8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NyocsnY6Emc55rYIIKUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=N7/zD/GSoOFc6njiPQeb7A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Received: from [10.128.132.160] ([10.128.132.160:52636] helo=hrndva-web09-z02) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F4/29-27984-62188AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 02:12:54 +0000 Message-ID: <20120508021254.NO0MX.122959.root@hrndva-web09-z02> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 2:12:54 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Al Salvatore In-Reply-To: <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got mine at NAPA o-ring size 008 they assured me they were brake fluid resistant nitrile if I recall right. Also Google buckeye triumphs look in the tech session for pwda rebuild. Greg Lemon ---- Al Salvatore wrote: > Anybody have any ideas on where to get O-rings for the TR6 brake pressure > switch, that are brake fluid friendly. > > I know I can go to Ace and get O-rings, but its the compatability question. > > The local auto parts stores don't have.. > > Moss has a repair kit (181-995), but $15.00 plus shipping for just two > little o-rings seams a bit much. > A couple of years ago they were $8.95. > > Al > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 22:34:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F7D2D095D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:34:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2972D091B for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=fyy8S8a36B8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=wIwWS7Wa-b1hA2upwjkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:53858] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B0/A9-07741-62988AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 02:47:03 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Al Salvatore'" , References: <3cc70.4e1ce2aa.3cd99b52@aol.com> <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> In-Reply-To: <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 19:47:02 -0700 Message-ID: <003301cd2cc4$d913d460$8b3b7d20$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0svqGWFmzxxpAQSkq3U7volPXIfAABavvw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net EPDM is the material you want (or SBR but it is much harder to find). According to Nelson, you want size #008. MMC will sell you a package of 100 for $6.22. http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/118/3482 (scroll way, way down) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 22:38:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5D22D073F for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:38:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B407B2D0949 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=mR8jr07k58UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ECCUL_svBYrLj7FuFc8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:53859] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 39/0E-07741-02A88AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 02:51:12 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'TRiumphs'" References: <358005238.56592.1336390094564.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <68F11AB5620140EFB278012E625B1872@GregPC> In-Reply-To: <68F11AB5620140EFB278012E625B1872@GregPC> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 19:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: <003401cd2cc5$6dca8220$495f8660$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0ss7H0cPib3I+VQGuccEknC745hwAEWemA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Order of Engine Assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > As the others have said, should work, as I recall from a 4 > cylinder > rebuild many years ago, the liners are supposed to sit ever so slightly > proud of the block, the manuals have the specs, should check to make > sure > they are within spec there, shouldn't matter but slight variations in > the > liners or block could make a difference. Yes, indeed! Liner protrusion is quite important. Be sure to check on both sides. I have found two TR3 engines in a row now, where the liner height was not even on both sides. Both had a definite tendency towards head gasket leaks. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 23:54:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE46D2D0983 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:54:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA1E2D082E for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 21:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so205684qab.14 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 20:35:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Hdg3b4t9ASbxSJ1H4JNcoGO8md8MsV9WEncUgiq0vac=; b=lWrBp6HPw+bq05mwI+8ihkNxjxnodvTzHySLGE/uxeM9umvDluVTn+7EQBRgfR94UR bES7nUsrpNUbPkQwvlJoxBGLUpGqekwIDuZ9WW5LUa1Rxa0If83iL1eXPxM/JzNEDi0K e6y/qnci4f1hUkw4Ggpzt3C/AdL3+aUyJlJT6xpyBa2m49QSuNgVJGcfcuODAJ7e8p+d v9M8gmt+egumrHNrWA/AVLC6sdAzn+nNweVWffR8cw9EaXMhj25HXPU8I8quF5c+WSHq Gu8dvNO/1lORQgDPjrFyksFI428K37yWs/jCTT4YyDALOCA9ZiHX7juHhLBtcRQ3u1kO mykA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.136.1 with SMTP id p1mr8209758qct.139.1336448107866; Mon, 07 May 2012 20:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.240.82 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 20:35:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:35:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DvQlQUtfoRIQqylNUNqcdz1c0zs Message-ID: From: Irv Korey To: TRiumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Horn with a mind of its own X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all of the suggestions on how to correct the random blasts from my horns. I appreciate the help. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Irv Korey wrote: > I treated myself to a new Moto-Lita steering wheel a couple of weeks ago. > Since I installed it, the horns have > blown several times without pushing the horn button, usually when steering > to the left. This happened twice while we were > moving (pushing and steering) the car at our club tune-up clinic > yesterday. My car has air horns, and they are LOUD. > > I know the horns are wired hot all of the time and that the horn button > provides the ground for the circuit. My old wheel and hub > assembly used a different horn contact design than the stock wheel and I > never experienced this. > The Moto-Lita uses the same system as the stock wheel, the spring loaded > bush that goes through the hub. I'm guessing that > the stock horn bush arrangement is more sensitive to whatever is causing > this. > > Any and all thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U > Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 23:56:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFF22D09B6 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:56:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A32032D08B8 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 21:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 03:57:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.176] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 03:57:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 03:57:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 302599.99365.bm@omp1059.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63380 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2012 03:57:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336449453; bh=a3r8kwMhWKLstW/GVpcWnRmVhRMAOQyzEOTYVPFf7ko=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VtnL1rS2pHBbKxXQab8HXS5Mz96hW9j1FQrm3RvXWFg1Nn2WvtZ8ETa7vL+D9hsAVTnSv2IcMS+sNhLf26jdmfpdPle213g800wQhsgOakvGcostCuEkTqF83vTv2VDH/NE5DjsVxbFHYbdzfW0WmQvMrNuPcqE07ypFNtQHFME= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W3vtpq0Lm/0zzpItt6K/ej6WV41dT1Nany1p0OnHReGbO71DIXlw39qQJ+8cL0XSm/rAd3NfTh05RiX8PGhVMoqf3k/Fkhxfi3j0dD1j1y03UHQoe0KMkAgLIAi7GVv6BrEH0qlzI+v0Pfc/o/79ZakKhC/rCS/pn7/G4SUMj6Y=; X-YMail-OSG: r51SiiIVM1mZ67aCW0YDpzv2WUJ5bWkNRtojVkISEAQXANc 9eias3tdbH7lSK5rbjm.awZMZrPqnfbuzPdPKBZdt55crIunhZgWfmbAG2E4 CaqBpbRTrHARidppQcZQb91IPKI6zLX4_wOohosb5JcYV6TpwrargJNp8sLo wcE_4HDtuIYmjcvHGJsQrVuHOYWXkw_m1JsDLw8gpNvOInw8yTzkAV6AoH3w oQw78EoyA5g5u24DiaEgoySL5WOJGgQ3YqtxnZ4f8nurF51yslisM0XB5E_x B.u3pNcuc1L2GlwP9eSOzb8xZVx.kM9FAgy8GgOt6BDHyDImldpASE4Eb0Pa KtmoRrizDms2qrgGvJMYoDc4xXdaP6MefebODrA_lUx3w_H.j.geJ4cmrBjS IFCMXJ0MakThWrYw- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 20:57:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336449453.62355.YahooMailNeo@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] tenax windshield posts X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking at a newly chromed windshield frame (tr-3). I'm realizing I can't find any posts to attach to the windshield for the top to clip too. My frame will not take threaded posts. It looks like it takes long threaded posts that go completely through the frame and attach with a nut on the back side........which means longer than 1/2 half inch. From what I can see it looks like the posts available, need to screw into the first wall of the channel without going through. I'm wondering if a prior owner drilled completely through the frame. any ideas or solutions? gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 23:57:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CAC2D099F for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:57:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19A12D07FF for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:11:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120508041141.CUSE10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 00:11:41 -0400 Received: from Alan ([97.81.202.216]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 7GBf1j00M4gec2h05GBhZF; Tue, 08 May 2012 00:11:41 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=fyy8S8a36B8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=qFVMzJIlQQrezgCBcm0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:117 Message-ID: <3813AA11840748D1BE7C269ADA7CCF74@Alan> From: "Al Salvatore" To: References: <3cc70.4e1ce2aa.3cd99b52@aol.com> <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> <003301cd2cc4$d913d460$8b3b7d20$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 00:11:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg & Randall Thanks for the info on the O-Rings. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Al Salvatore'" ; Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings > EPDM is the material you want (or SBR but it is much harder to find). > > According to Nelson, you want size #008. MMC will sell you a package of > 100 > for $6.22. > http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/118/3482 > (scroll way, way down) > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 01:21:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F12C2D094B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 01:21:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBA42D0952 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q484xfgE023303; Tue, 8 May 2012 00:59:41 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id BB15AE0000AF; Tue, 8 May 2012 00:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Sam Clark In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 23:59:40 -0500 Message-Id: References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336453181; bh=mkO1GSP0QmRCtCljIiIbebA7zIH0rRxKSl7tdu06EEA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=n07UOxwj2cEwuFmNJUK5wALytw2bXlkUo2lYIsw+rd5D20o9wR5NCB0dbsMAHQNjG 8FLjxNgjf890gmYx/90QBkH1p+xY2pftj5L76IP+Sy3NiH0/cFckEKwe4SvA2nLfon V2Oow6eUq6ISIyOaKodXFuzTVlVC6lwywUV4b/I0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449599360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33824fa8a83c4c33 X-AOL-IP: 72.213.139.102 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Take the parts with you to a seal supplier. You need ethylene propylene (EP) to be resistant to brake fluif. They have a minimum but if you tell them what you're working on they will usually work with you. Or. . . I bought some extra and I can send you a few if you wish. Sam On May 7, 2012, at 9:46 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: "Al Salvatore" > To: > Subject: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings > Message-ID: <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Anybody have any ideas on where to get O-rings for the TR6 brake pressure > switch, that are brake fluid friendly. > > I know I can go to Ace and get O-rings, but its the compatability question. > > The local auto parts stores don't have.. > > Moss has a repair kit (181-995), but $15.00 plus shipping for just two > little o-rings seams a bit much. > A couple of years ago they were $8.95. > > Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 02:42:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2F32D0963 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 02:42:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9B92D0999 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 00:30:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=HzAxHbW-t4kA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=F3zAt1Xal_1VmNh0XYEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0QMyg2vaE-REhCtS:21 a=pXoPT220kPi6NS9R:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/3E-07741-99DB8AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 06:30:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1336449453.62355.YahooMailNeo@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 23:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <039b01cd2ce4$1c20a700$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0s32i60NIwPdbpTSWTp1YznpsuwgABGVrQ In-Reply-To: <1336449453.62355.YahooMailNeo@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] tenax windshield posts X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It looks like it takes long > threaded posts that > go completely through the frame and attach with a nut on the back > side........which means longer than 1/2 half inch. Those were actually original equipment, on the aluminum frames. Someone may have drilled your frame for them to repair the original (damaged) holes (which is exactly what I'm planning to do, although I'll only do two holes). TRF has beautiful reproductions (but they aren't cheap). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 08:59:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC992D092F for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:59:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAAF2D090B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 06:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q48CYqMm031603; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:34:52 -0400 Received: from core-doa002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.5]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 056C4E000087; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Message-ID: <38897.3a4bc16c.3cda6ceb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:34:51 -0400 (EDT) To: eoot@citlink.net, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5002 X-Originating-IP: [173.49.70.166] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336480492; bh=kWjNHo24Du4FuUYKT4W5/rKdG/DU1JY1cXZWf2Dt8r0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gw0UkFnMvO8kfcmk1KRPF/8kHCO88+QIbdtnlLS+caZeEk1ujtd9GjdLhiqHZ7CkT ZwwxX+ulROf1NkxVBciS2gPVk3X7JCGHqSpHYhORv6oSNphQRV92sScNrbmUz8Ckxs Iv4GwSfgNOKV+K8Yba0YEmTVt6mnCMFdYJ5iTG+I= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414705792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4fa912ec1e7b X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Slow idle drop X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, I'm assuming that your emissions equipment (air pump, gulp valve, etc.) has been disconnected....if not, a big culprit behind the symptoms you describe would be a faulty gulp valve. Often,it helps to have the engine running when you check linkage adjustment problems. Have someone depress and release the accelerator pedal while you observe the operation of the linkage. Look around the individual carb throttle plate linkages very closely to be sure they're promptly returning to their stops. Once you've ruled out any linkage problems, remove the air cleaners and check operation of the air valves to be sure one or both aren't hanging up. Just for kicks, spray a little carb cleaner around the points where the throttle shafts enter the carbs.....while the engine is running.....if the rpm changes noticeably, the rebuilder may have not replaced the rubber seals around the throttle shafts letting air into the carb changing the mixture at random amounts depending on how the throttle shaft moves. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 5/7/2012 3:41:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eoot@citlink.net writes: I have inspected the linkage and don't find that it is hanging up anywhere. Is it possible though that it could be something with the way I reinstalled the linkage? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 17:55:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F85C2D08DC for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 17:55:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED542D08A9 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7a0B1j00317UAYkA7a6Mbu; Tue, 08 May 2012 22:06:21 +0000 Received: from sz0102.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.162]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7a6L1j0093Vqut08Za6L19; Tue, 08 May 2012 22:06:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:06:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Kinderlehrer To: Randall Message-ID: <875778530.34268.1336514780735.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <039b01cd2ce4$1c20a700$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [146.74.1.99] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tenax windshield posts X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My frame didn't have any holes on the inside, but one or two of the holes on t he outside were too big, or out of shape, to hold th e stud - is that the situation you are facing? My solution was to use a "nutter" thing which works much like a pop-rivet but inserts a molly like threaded sleeve. The inserts are available in aluminum and steel. I got mine at JC Whitney eons ago, but I have seen them at Harbor Freight among others. I also used itB in a few locations whereB the lift-a-dot stud was supposed to screw into wood but the wood was having no more of it. Anyway, that was a number of years ago and it is holding up fine. Just a suggestion. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "Gary Nafziger" , triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 11:30:49 PM Subject: Re: [TR] tenax windshield B posts > It looks like it takes long > threaded posts that > go completely through the frame and attach with a nut on the back > side........which means longer than 1/2 half inch. Those were actually original equipment, on the aluminum frames. B Someone may have drilled your frame for them to repair the original (damaged) holes (which is exactly what I'm planning to do, although I'll only do two holes). TRF has beautiful reproductions (but they aren't cheap). -- Randall B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 19:12:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4402D0794 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:12:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0671D2D0891 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=HzAxHbW-t4kA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=aKAmKxZVmZTHAtz08p8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:3932] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 20/C6-16302-0A3A9AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 22:52:16 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <039b01cd2ce4$1c20a700$0601a8c0@randall> <875778530.34268.1336514780735.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <875778530.34268.1336514780735.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:52:15 -0700 Message-ID: <006601cd2d6d$3718f4c0$a54ade40$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0tZs4FjmYhm/nwTkSVzgcNT4O5BAAA7QKQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] tenax windshield posts X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My frame didn't have any holes on the inside, but one or two of the > holes on the outside were too big, or out of shape, to hold the stud - > is that the situation you are facing? That's my situation, but I think Gary (the OP) already has holes on both sides of the frame. > My solution was to use a "nutter" > thing which works much like a pop-rivet but inserts a molly like > threaded sleeve. I believe those are commonly called "Riv-nuts". I considered using them, but wasn't sure there was enough room to install them without removing the glass (which I would rather not do if I don't have to). Also not sure if they were strong enough (since the original threads were not). Not sure if I would recommend the kit from HF. Took me 3 tries to get one that worked reasonably well without breaking. > I also used it in a few locations where the lift-a-dot > stud was supposed to screw into wood but the wood was having no more of > it. For that situation, I generally just coat a kitchen match stick with wood glue, jam it into the hole and break it off flush with the surface. Then just screw the LTD in as usual, being sure to pick up one of the LTD studs that are meant for wood rather than sheet metal. (They have longer threads for a better grip) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 20:27:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6D52D08C7 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 20:27:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48662D08A9 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 18:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120509000254.WWWD24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 8 May 2012 20:02:54 -0400 Received: from Alan ([97.81.202.216]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 7c2t1j00C4gec2h05c2ui9; Tue, 08 May 2012 20:02:54 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=fyy8S8a36B8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=wJFbo2WLsDXUGbK9mZ4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:117 Message-ID: <6C3BFC0F07334AC7A638A54844E228F8@Alan> From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Randall" , References: <3cc70.4e1ce2aa.3cd99b52@aol.com> <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> <003301cd2cc4$d913d460$8b3b7d20$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:03:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I looked at MMC description of EPDM which says they are water and steam resistant. #9557k459 , $6.22 They have an O-ring called Viton ETP fluoroelastomer which are chemical and oil resistant. # 2857T114, $4.21 >From their description of the seals it seams like the Viton ETP would be the more correct O-Ring , if I'm reading the descriptions correctly. A bit confused. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Al Salvatore'" ; Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings > EPDM is the material you want (or SBR but it is much harder to find). > > According to Nelson, you want size #008. MMC will sell you a package of > 100 > for $6.22. > http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/118/3482 > (scroll way, way down) > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 21:45:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258F42D08F1 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:45:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BC52D0840 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=fyy8S8a36B8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=6BQxG34qAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=IUUQRZThqXpP9rYIZtMA:9 a=FB5KE1-QkV5jBNVxbeEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=13JqX7CyJWQA:10 a=RzPj2H5MOuEA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:4899] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 7A/F8-16302-D68C9AF4; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:29:17 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Al Salvatore'" , References: <3cc70.4e1ce2aa.3cd99b52@aol.com> <828D57CD69AC4C6B9A24D9B419F81B30@Alan> <003301cd2cc4$d913d460$8b3b7d20$@rr.com> <6C3BFC0F07334AC7A638A54844E228F8@Alan> In-Reply-To: <6C3BFC0F07334AC7A638A54844E228F8@Alan> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: <009d01cd2d83$269420a0$73bc61e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0tdxYsXviJwGLBQAGI2Yy3ldk9cwACvqog Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] brake pressure switch O-rings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Viton is not recommended for use with conventional brake fluid. One report I found said it swelled by 56% when exposed to "Girling Crimson" for 2 weeks. Obviously unacceptable. EPDM is the right stuff, even if MMC doesn't mention all the uses for it. http://www.columbiaerd.com/epdm_orings.php Here's the same chart for Viton http://www.columbiaerd.com/fluorocarbon_orings.php -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 22:58:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8381D2D08A9 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 22:58:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7792C2D0850 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7fJp1j0060cQ2SLA1fKDgm; Wed, 09 May 2012 03:19:13 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7fKC1j00K0GAcNo8WfKCxC; Wed, 09 May 2012 03:19:13 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Randall'" References: <039b01cd2ce4$1c20a700$0601a8c0@randall> <875778530.34268.1336514780735.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <006601cd2d6d$3718f4c0$a54ade40$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <006601cd2d6d$3718f4c0$a54ade40$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <005601cd2d92$82bc3520$88349f60$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac0tZs4FjmYhm/nwTkSVzgcNT4O5BAAA7QKQAAmnTlA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tenax windshield posts X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fools rush in... but it this case it worked out, there was no interference with the glass and it seems as strong if not stronger than the original. My JCW version is probably not much better - I do have to yell at it a lot to make it work. It's been a while, but I think I tried the match stick trick but there just wasn't enough wood. On the doors I took the wood out behind the side curtain mounts, drilled the holes out and filled them with wooden dowels. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:52 PM Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tenax windshield posts > My frame didn't have any holes on the inside, but one or two of the > holes on the outside were too big, or out of shape, to hold the stud - > is that the situation you are facing? That's my situation, but I think Gary (the OP) already has holes on both sides of the frame. > My solution was to use a "nutter" > thing which works much like a pop-rivet but inserts a molly like > threaded sleeve. I believe those are commonly called "Riv-nuts". I considered using them, but wasn't sure there was enough room to install them without removing the glass (which I would rather not do if I don't have to). Also not sure if they were strong enough (since the original threads were not). Not sure if I would recommend the kit from HF. Took me 3 tries to get one that worked reasonably well without breaking. > I also used it in a few locations where the lift-a-dot stud was > supposed to screw into wood but the wood was having no more of it. For that situation, I generally just coat a kitchen match stick with wood glue, jam it into the hole and break it off flush with the surface. Then just screw the LTD in as usual, being sure to pick up one of the LTD studs that are meant for wood rather than sheet metal. (They have longer threads for a better grip) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 08:30:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E382D0537 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 08:30:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401692D05F7; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so470162obb.14 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=9w/we7oyEq+BbsLAsa+v5olyiILzzcM01SpPVQhLmJI=; b=zOzGMHxLjpCWWDqdDEjXt6RS0MPNCqUjPbn+ZvzB5Jw1eWFXTISowSYpoOubZv9wPs MTQR5B0x5RQn+O+SkeULgi8nR9qCyZn4/WvabFBgTCYKUoVGgs1nuvc/6lpEccFP5yk/ qd0Vta4tv8Sc2RU9VtTat9Irh7yEdhskLVjXtdnVgJXd3hqB8dD4h8THrhP3TqvS5kz3 P7R1ZFg1pMYQgSE1yKVgVEa8fPK+VvC6e3GEpIPBwt5J9pltRxhV/rbww5UoPkchK1yg /pWUsmzdo/hmGyKi3GfvdR+XnwCvO6YUO88JdYxLGlDz9wwK/TkeCSj2EGbeAj3sYmB0 HelQ== Received: by 10.182.202.69 with SMTP id kg5mr23769obc.35.1336569107794; Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from howto.wired.com (174-19-147-238.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.147.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tx2sm2630862obb.8.2012.05.09.06.11.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FAA6D0F.10300@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:43 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumph List , FOT , "mendo_recce@googlegroups.com" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Web site is back online X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just to let people know my Triumph web site is back up on the net. www.tr3a.info From requests, it appears that my TR2-4A cylinder head page is by far the most popular www.tr3a.info/FAQ_heads.htm Hopefully all the links are working. Please let me know if you find one that leads to the dreaded 404 page. My apologies for having the site down for so long. Moving it required most links to be relinked and being the first spring in a new house, landscaping a bare yard took priority over everything. But finally the site is back up and hopefully all the links go where they should and hopefully all the new plants will grow properly and I will not have to rent a jackhammer again to punch through hard pan before additional planting. Again, sorry for being offline for so long. TeriAnn www.tjwakeman.net www.tr3a.info www.expeditionlandrover.info www.aladdinlamps.info ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 11:41:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2371E2D05C8 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 11:41:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A872D0331 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q49GJX4P029177 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:19:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Mitty Pix X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I took some pictures at the Mitty a week or so ago: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 I still have another 100 or so to upload, but these should give you an idea of the TRIUMPH participation. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 20:20:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9332D078B for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 20:20:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C3A2D07F4 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so1334344yen.14 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5sj39W0B11q7KZoKI5wxkm7wqHmPNvavTOJ2Uif8MDM=; b=U9ueqSIqpsmJUIb5lw/N6RxKTWsvdMwvkL8hLfSVJpP15172iFnOYt1qzUjGXyXNR/ 2v6IdlTJyHYia+VU3q5trscTyWq7cWCM7HOu9J6XvIvPody2DIQO2Uq5v172PFmHipqy 9K1IXsdNUtSNsJjPC5YdJbU6jtn6m+oZzGcXxmPcwfUHh043bBvZcYDOC7ye2FS9VpBt GEhrf3kSUMf0simv/DwKMrEAFP1XV5Kspzir23+ky+Pt3CTFQDcCvhRw8Y/bJk1PUnzr wemwUFbMVARHvwTRxIXnjr4IU+UjJV9KCgPPXmaJbvR0U3XdC5Misjasd2/2Ni7XvqbP 7LkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.159.134 with SMTP id xc6mr1190107igb.41.1336609819443; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.18 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:30:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Hazard light, fasten seat belt light and brake light dash switches wanted for '73 period TR6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have some they want to sell? The '73 Fed Stag uses the same one. Regards, Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 08:05:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAF42D0816 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:05:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB852D06C8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhn9 with SMTP id hn9so325684wib.2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5SFqsrjhdH98xfxSVUpez0Q4FOpZ9CWyPdozEdlqwK4=; b=SE+ur/H1X97IgN4AOrO0rt0b9pN9JqNfQtE2DFnqYWwNbY7jr5rksqdFXyhjTT+X2f 5KPdXkjHbiyZEah2Id+5A/cTKHqjI5wniYKZag45/mvsVEn2eaFCiaX+8GhGOglbbgzJ FobdKj0883WmZeJY8MgcDqZbenTyNmn7F3ltrKx98pGGkfNZxLVqx4hGa/q4RANNS9QA 1hhXZdVHv66ndiloADusEM9dbRuqdQUiqmakKOL4vJIUzhWCn7JKMC7DXyAbQO8pnKFc h3Pl35pUGjpwNX8lE6TPXwG69RnxpkGKvG0uZCFxxo2SdyHnVHJY0ClIiOokYUZi0LBd iu/g== Received: by 10.180.104.168 with SMTP id gf8mr15707925wib.12.1336651908727; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:11:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <011d01cd2ad5$7ca0dc50$0601a8c0@randall> From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:11:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Broken rear stud for rocker arm assembly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok - recap of last update - had a nut broken off the water pump pulley; a loose downpipe/manifold connection; broken rocker stud; and created some self-induced challenges along the way. Swapped out with an old water pump and still had metallic noises from engine. I'm glad I pulled the head as I was afraid something inside number 4 had caused the stud to break. I tried to do some root cause analysis before I reassembled - so I cleaned everything and really gave things a good study. 1. Rocker stud washers have become a bit domed and are in general a bit rough - I bought new ones from one of the big three when I rebuilt the engine and apparently got unhardened washers. - They are reasonably thicker than standard washers but deformed nonetheless. So my best theory here is they deformed, reduced the torque on the nuts to zero or less and then the valve train hammered away on the stud until it failed. - Rocker arms do not seem to have any noticeable wear - so I'm leaving them as is. 2. Exhaust manifold to headpipe - No idea - the nut was down about 1/4 inch - but not easy to loosen or tighten - maybe I missed tightening this one..... 3. Water pump nut - I feel this is my bad - I felt the pump pulley was a bit too easy to slide on the shaft a few months ago and even got the locktite product that Randall uses to fill in the gaps - but did not get around to putting it on.... so I deserve this one - Bad thing is - it took out the pump and the pulley. Much more expensive than the locktite bearing product. My spare used water pump felt good in my hand and I greased it up - but in removing the belt - I see that it has some play in the bearings and that is likely the reason for the continued racket in the engine; The noise from the free pulley bouncing around water pump one - and the noise from worn bearings in water pump two are quite similar. 4. I reused my payen head gasket - not sure how long I'll leave it on - but wanted to move along with my troubleshooting - I sprayed both sides with a couple coats of the copper spray - some folks swear by it others think it's trouble - I've used it in the past. I've reused head gaskets twice before due to financial constraints - once on the TR2 - back in 1976 - it's the one that is still on it. and once on the TR4 - it was retired after several thousand miles when I rebuilt the engine. Since I'm not strapped for cash at this time - I plan to pull the head and do it right and figure that with 2 behind me my luck has run out. Head is back on and everything is buttoned up. Left the water pump on the car - but disconnected the belt. Filled the radiator and used the hose to force water through the head as I was going to start it without the belt on to see if noise was gone. Started right up - no noise - shut down. Lessons relearned - go back and check those fasteners after the engine is broken in; Don't run a water pump without a good fit between shaft and pulley; Don't use an unrestrained hose when adding fluif to the transmission - or rear. Now I'm waiting for my parts. Thanks for those that replied with advice and encouragement. Chris 54 TR2 - getting a new wiring harness this weekend 63 TR4 - Soon to be daily driver again 69 TR6 - needing welding and attention ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 10:06:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80CB2D0712 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:06:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF462D066F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:56:09 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=GmJkXdqI3sYj1e3RoPQmfQqKiTsp95WJi1c4Lhdi/YG+Tdx97czApGsxZIJnK5dC; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.47] (helo=elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SSUnD-0003al-0T for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:56:35 -0400 Received: from 198.203.177.177 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:56:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f00780416adb3d58ff2b7f70b5d3566732f021c42601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 Subject: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Roger Elliott List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have a 1980 Spitfire with dual SU HS4 carbs. I noticed while trying to get to run correctly that the front fuel bowl had gas coming out the top vent hole. Figuring that it was the needle valve sticking, I replaced the needle valves and floats in both fuel bowls. The front bowl (second in fuel line) contined to overflow. I thought that there may be a crack or something in the lid, so I dug out different lid, put the new bowls and valves in the lids, made sure the float adjustment is correct. These lids have vent tubes, which I have connected with fuel hose - above the carbs. Well, gas is coming out of the vent hose connected to the vent tubes - not sure which carb is overflowing at this point as I did not think to disconnect them until after I stopped working on them for the evening. The fuel line now has a T-connector to get gas to both carbs. Previously, the rear carb had a fuel pass through. I have a mechanical fuel pump, not original. But one sold by one of the big vendors - don't remember which now. Can the mechanical pumps put out too much pressure? The pump has been on for a few years and it has run correctly in the past. Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the bowls to overflow? Thanks, Roger Elliott 1980 Spitfire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 12:09:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1ED2D06AF for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:09:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF052D04FE for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:25:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=iNX_QItNqnnPQy35wNwA:9 a=ogJ06FEGOjGJcKDlQyoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4E/AC-29249-21CEBAF4; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:25:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Roger Elliott'" , References: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:25:56 -0700 Message-ID: <070c01cd2ec9$95390a60$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0uxv+V5QMCvkS8REKUFk/D8vuyEAAAZSjw In-Reply-To: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Can the mechanical pumps put out too much pressure? The pump > has been on for a few years and it has run correctly in the past. Definitely a possibility, but I've never heard of them going up on their own. Might be worth checking with a gauge, though. Most vacuum test gauges will also read fuel pump pressure. > Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and > floats, is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that > would cause the bowls to overflow? Most common cause for me is crud in the fuel. Sometimes the soft fuel lines can fail and shed bits into the fuel (after the filter) that jam the valve open. Defective new parts is also a possibility. In particular, many plastic floats don't get along well with gasohol. And I've seen several "Grose Jets" that leak for no apparent reason. One easy test is to hold the lid upside down with the float and valve installed, and try to blow into the inlet. The weight of the float should be enough to hold the valve closed. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 12:11:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574852D04B4 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:11:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196092D067F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:34:08 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iCkz/NRlA+a2WTQW2Wzphxv8sFoN93uCb1guqvwEbafy09L8lv3UuizMCD92c99D; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.37] (helo=elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SSWK3-0000df-F7; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:34:35 -0400 Received: from 198.102.153.2 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:34:34 -0400 Message-ID: <12952948.1336667675459.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:34:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Cliff Hansen To: Roger Elliott , triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 528c356ac306a91c1da3787d14811d2a4d2b10475b57112012e7b3eeeb3d96165128ba20bc47d61ecb31c92fc090f552350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cliff Hansen List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Roger, I had the same problem with a 4A with HS6 carbs and an electrical pump. Turned out that the fuel pressure was too high. I added a fuel pressure regulator and dialed it down to 1.5lbs, car ran fine and no more fuel leaks (plenty of other leaks but that's a different story). That was 20 years ago and the regulator was about $12. I don't know where to get one today. Best, Cliff -----Original Message----- >From: Roger Elliott >Sent: May 10, 2012 8:56 AM >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Subject: [TR] Float bowls overflowing > >Hi, > >I have a 1980 Spitfire with dual SU HS4 carbs. I noticed while trying to get to run correctly that the front fuel bowl had gas coming out the top vent hole. > >Figuring that it was the needle valve sticking, I replaced the needle valves and floats in both fuel bowls. > >The front bowl (second in fuel line) contined to overflow. I thought that there may be a crack or something in the lid, so I dug out different lid, put the new bowls and valves in the lids, made sure the float adjustment is correct. > >These lids have vent tubes, which I have connected with fuel hose - above the carbs. > >Well, gas is coming out of the vent hose connected to the vent tubes - not sure which carb is overflowing at this point as I did not think to disconnect them until after I stopped working on them for the evening. > >The fuel line now has a T-connector to get gas to both carbs. Previously, the rear carb had a fuel pass through. > >I have a mechanical fuel pump, not original. But one sold by one of the big vendors - don't remember which now. > >Can the mechanical pumps put out too much pressure? The pump has been on for a few years and it has run correctly in the past. > >Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the bowls to overflow? > >Thanks, >Roger Elliott >1980 Spitfire > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 12:13:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252E92D0747 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:13:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0648D2D065F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 17:00:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.232] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 17:00:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 17:00:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 411406.90596.bm@omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47189 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 17:00:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336669255; bh=jxBFBu7RkYIpfYxqyr7ttg/8zSqwRyiIjRsMdiw8dTw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IbbOfd6eau4KngWR80LiqTO11qoPMsMrYOdCT6BkXHxUS4z5YDOmairZwCO9roSb31UpO9lM7QdrvdiH8PEU+MFf7Z61QHjA0xOvre9JxkRq3kdQ6ckLv1YeJSbO+FvT+sOidY+22rBbJ97EjkM+ZfXTReIbwKY4H2mB977MYhM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YsrYqB3+OhcylINJ00yzWoU2Yax1p6SfFtliUhj/qPmuPycgqKnLZlOG7N7QfjweK1Q3xM0Uw1DD3/P14+dHTDhY9LKXACKo/jBcFgZXOwzlMKfxWG+dq4vygpvCtIgVxvBe8C0g1Tbu/k6vm+JLC4AAmvMjkcOctf/CHSLW4+s=; X-YMail-OSG: I1OEXukVM1nTOVYdzL_fPxEi9iqhMow_ShE9rT9zgIJpOaF qjwvJo6Mb1.B6IudSWMsBXS1.JJfaWfXJi.LPcLNxJotjpXD9Jt89ypI0.D_ lJFHy9UyKSAy6u9X5AA3hoxU8HT9Ju3QAPN1t8ETu6cEYDr2jC0YYQogN8G0 GM_TxW8gY4WkaXD70rBcEJZVONEJHzlsC7m7WWbE_4TeKBpzeWiAoLYO54fA m2rdQ9KxGPYeNwndZcF5I3DM6ySYfS.e_5QOVVGkzjax1gribdqMwM3i7S93 Q5_jz9tYJJa_8nehX_g_tlyVHzOHhf.sq2Z1SQweqvzwVIaJzj5t_SXe4cn0 FF4dkZgopghZmIkvLUgXvQNyEAf6xSDowX7YrynyDZXH3TBX.5pfk407ORv0 Dpui17Z_5YbOHXxtrGjuJ.YRJ4Ex6D5F76Tzf9r5U_vAN4PS8LKInOretld4 e66SzBOOZ2R7fiPBuTFlPRjqDeIDQhZjjie3ubydOGaRops.970M8rzm1rrQ d Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:00:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1336669255.35221.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Roger Elliott , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Roger there is an adjustment to be made that sets the height the float bowl comes to and closes the needle valve. on my TR3 there is a 2 finger hinge like device that is curved. you set the height by checking it with a specific drill diameter. i cant recall the exact diameter but im sure some one will tell us. check your workshop manual, it will have pictures. Frank From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [TR] Float bowls overflowing Hi, I have a 1980 Spitfire with dual SU HS4 carbs. I noticed while trying to get to run correctly that the front fuel bowl had gas coming out the top vent hole. Figuring that it was the needle valve sticking, I replaced the needle valves and floats in both fuel bowls. The front bowl (second in fuel line) contined to overflow. I thought that there may be a crack or something in the lid, so I dug out different lid, put the new bowls and valves in the lids, made sure the float adjustment is correct. These lids have vent tubes, which I have connected with fuel hose - above the carbs. Well, gas is coming out of the vent hose connected to the vent tubes - not sure which carb is overflowing at this point as I did not think to disconnect them until after I stopped working on them for the evening. The fuel line now has a T-connector to get gas to both carbs. Previously, the rear carb had a fuel pass through. I have a mechanical fuel pump, not original. But one sold by one of the big vendors - don't remember which now. Can the mechanical pumps put out too much pressure? The pump has been on for a few years and it has run correctly in the past. Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the bowls to overflow? Thanks, Roger Elliott 1980 Spitfire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:32:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CBD2D06DF for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:32:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A1D42D067F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:32:35 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:32:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:32:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 417085.59877.bm@omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36263 invoked from network); 10 May 2012 18:32:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=tcXkEziIoQu4DsrNdNF+bWsOPlftqq8eqpAHeNfKVCa8BNyD6V0rH149UwV9sMQLIX77KaGmVRRsJ1cKtPjuVONKDJP6WnksRnnsNdMioD8dAgm/bsYk23YPq3o2/OOYTsWboos95zNM8qK/tcZWXR1bo8RDrQC4f2kEE3kDsDg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1336674755; bh=hOG/xGIGNSPSeABfsSBfj+JBEGXzmlz9ybchPPPJJsc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=bRRi+Bj8VNdisOH47iiC6A8J/QutBwUgKlg6KkTa12Q3II4TICQuZAc3IG6/TSzSwIy6dy39C5LBmymq4PJEJMN+7Ya5iOTBXGZnxAKQe0skbdviO3BZeiRIc9UPKIinDezO6TSmBWb93SYLcVjV/l+ckEg07szL7/GpYQoVDVg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vxt2wRMVM1kfFTssf9syPUnXxafJLdx4oJHqS_6dT1aox9D f4y4wRcIJ3WiZuWw5YoTj3ralm3z7Bj89fVUJCF0quqK2GhLv5pLUw_OLAHs DM5uY0b5g7st4WuOKqEzjSiBHuR.UwW4XliOPLT1LnS.sEJ9skfYVuLFqoc3 NjpnkY6rCsl..Zg2UTZQk10kTN0JAgbCO.Tb1LuoMVjsVcbIdHnsNUznHQw6 .b_smO_gboA._lQJ4vvTphinRNw2Bs1q9vhOdke5SUWOZC_gPZYSKW_UgEPk 98p5AWS49QRDXr9TC.0tbJLLA5_T0j_sEjRgncjdGVr1sp2Inw6HHyCoEiH1 FtBTlG02PRGfKC20ZMbFc_UVScNUZ05Ohq_pCb8_dHp1cxQW9R6doW8AJ_AK mf99F.2lvihfHtL0.WOjUNCQcdfwgB6kbXfu_eDWkkf0P.ceXLiD.AXu8t7v EvTFtZ5iwDY_H6SDrLtYvUUtq3s_W7aTMbZv.iz8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from [10.151.120.64] (wbeech@166.189.248.213 with plain) by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 11:32:32 -0700 PDT References: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1336669255.35221.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336669255.35221.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <464B8589-6762-4F3A-8BDD-33F398087AC6@flash.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Wbeech Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:32:31 -0500 To: Frank Fisher Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Should be 3/8", easy measure is to hold the lid upside down and lay a 3/8". Bolt across it. Your wishbone should just touch it where it meets the float. Sent from mobile Bill On May 10, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > Roger > there is an adjustment to be made that sets the height the float bowl > comes to and closes the needle valve. > on my TR3 there is a 2 finger hinge like > device that is curved. > you set the height by checking it with a specific drill > diameter. > i cant recall the exact diameter but im sure some one will tell us. > check your workshop manual, it will have pictures. > Frank > > From: Roger Elliott > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 > 7:56 AM > Subject: [TR] Float bowls overflowing > > Hi, > > I have a 1980 Spitfire > with dual SU HS4 carbs. I noticed while trying to get to run correctly that > the front fuel bowl had gas coming out the top vent hole. > > Figuring that it > was the needle valve sticking, I replaced the needle valves and floats in both > fuel bowls. > > The front bowl (second in fuel line) contined to overflow. I > thought that there may be a crack or something in the lid, so I dug out > different lid, put the new bowls and valves in the lids, made sure the float > adjustment is correct. > > These lids have vent tubes, which I have connected > with fuel hose - above the carbs. > > Well, gas is coming out of the vent hose > connected to the vent tubes - not sure which carb is overflowing at this > point as I did not think to disconnect them until after I stopped working on > them for the evening. > > The fuel line now has a T-connector to get gas to both > carbs. Previously, the rear carb had a fuel pass through. > > I have a > mechanical fuel pump, not original. But one sold by one of the big vendors - > don't remember which now. > > Can the mechanical pumps put out too much > pressure? The pump has been on for a few years and it has run correctly in > the past. > > Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, > is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the bowls to > overflow? > > Thanks, > Roger Elliott > 1980 Spitfire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 15:48:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBC42D071F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:48:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABED2D0666 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4AJo17Y021348; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:50:01 -0400 Received: from core-dob001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.129]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 11880E00008C; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Message-ID: <2c65d.60ae0163.3cdd75e8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:50:00 -0400 (EDT) To: elliottr@rmi.net, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5002 X-Originating-IP: [173.49.70.166] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336679401; bh=oYmpqXCiKV7JukWeavouwD7kPWw8E/dLzfTHwuEA5eA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jq4KowxKE8cBjxGjGbkaPIMhB5BHz5C37W+wSl8dYoVYpvJ1c4RlXZskj6udyZ8dQ rRT6NTYvtur9VosNOEdRzmnRqQzhDux9EPcZaM+Ue+bTIZWBryPzTJuuvyPgcVRPoL JhNnsjWC40Y2D9MRXXvXbN/qzLW8mAyBILeeGg7o= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:358253952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894fac1be9141e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Roger, Cracked floats would do it! The floats get saturated with fuel and don't "float" anymore! I would suspect your fuel pump pressure but you said it ran fine with that fuel pump until now. I assume you're using a fuel filter so we can rule out nasty bits of dirt clogging the valves....if the float level is set to spec and the pump hasn't suddenly decided to put out 8 or 10psi, I'm guessing that there's a crack in one of your floats. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 5/10/2012 12:07:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elliottr@rmi.net writes: Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the bowls to overflow? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 15:51:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26372D04FE for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:51:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24C92D0687 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4AK65RQ000644; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:06:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: net@newenglandtriumphs.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Headshots From Mitty 2012 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Here are some headshots from the Mitty. http://tinyurl.com/72pzx3f There are def. some keepers in there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 17:04:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CD42D0743 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:04:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BF162D0691 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.114] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 20:52:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 464321.92605.bm@omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93580 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 20:52:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1336683176; bh=H20bMBAqHbHKEDAJBxTpvhUaGtplIP1pKBpizpihduc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JFkTmQRJya8eA55sqC1v/CKnV1POvfuzzr0HS3j8lfcngAHqwgBVgiagiNS/UBRF5DXcJdGg18OizcBgIQQ7sCrF7R+hkJiJMPynnuaZ11CZW6d6TgM5DTZuYrRrMmNjQwjqX/QghEwBPkI84V8QwzydPXK83QWaqXLcs90XrW0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UnhD4qyOHrOSGKJ6/ro73WpNWrPKLZCEcV0qu9iwTyUuFsc2C+NAHQ7xmvlUutSpLYphf4LbFh0cMtLAHY/Zc8DRoXsduHFqIVtZzzQ8i6ynwYLZvzs8nEpON/0XQz8VK/LW+Zy8oZ1XOUscXaAhzGVSZyPCH60aybsCQxcBJfk=; X-YMail-OSG: kaaSwgQVM1kBft2v5GzgrKe.SeyRLMoTU1pdOqxsPWc.nvQ zCsm8FQ26kjb2EB27sIqXfBnpvPRe7zZ8KeRB2esOG2Cj_rsFAaHZTfNpOiZ hVYtV0uDHCUJFU3p2arP6G3Iu1220V0NW7fhLeIus98FYIXuTi1wKKn9PJNn iPRefPn0jU4EF7lk_L3dnpkuWlgSu_ysed6MOZ14wXpy5_PGYfWMVDUWtV3f DpEtkFmh3PDDJysvhznWQoV.tiSVMouGGZDsKC68701u1bKMeW_cmM_3c7.u I.uu5VcLdp_tXjSQPuawUrKXxRoGhIqEsXIqk4At6qcaHLpt7UAQhcy4.bIj Ejegrtp6j8fBMb8DnrC70XuELeb4J30OqCX8Ds9j4s1FMA.L6 Received: from [212.139.255.184] by web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:52:56 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <24446925.1336661794983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1336669255.35221.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <464B8589-6762-4F3A-8BDD-33F398087AC6@flash.net> Message-ID: <1336683176.93130.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:52:56 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Wbeech , Frank Fisher In-Reply-To: <464B8589-6762-4F3A-8BDD-33F398087AC6@flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just found this titbit of info from the SU website if it helps anyone? B Jonmac B B "There are several different float settings depending on which type of carburetter/float set up you have. Listed below are the most common options. T1 (1 7/8b OD) and T2 (2 1/4" OD) Float chambers. With the float chamber lid inverted and the hinge lever resting on the float needle, it should be possible to just slide a 7/16b diameter between the radius of the hinge lever and the face of the float chamber lid. T4 (3b OD). A 5/8b test bar should be used. Early HS carburetters with brass floats. A 5/16b test bar should be used. HS carbs with the early nylon float and steel needle. The gap between the lever and the face of the lid should be between 0.125b and 0.187b. HS carbs with the later all nylon float and delrin type needle. The gap between the float and the lid face should be between 0.062b and 0.187b with the float resting on the needle but not depressing it. This type is non adjustable." ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 18:22:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667652D06FE for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 18:22:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AD812D04B8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 21:53:28 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.2] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 21:53:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 21:53:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 688761.21203.bm@omp1002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70179 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 21:53:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336686808; bh=jrSm5w50tpzdPtFCAfXVNuLQMUVVftDA+GHKX+cixjs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wC1uiyUtqm7xLtsuhO5GK8muROSmkzi35IdkyTjmRuCI/OydjD5d4wJAAhLKB7/zH6Q/MV5QkOeG5nAyeTgJrVaBbfa+LFoH+SxP1k5TfSW+6ZuGuRB0UUQkm2mMuv7umyM1wzzTfaNZDzdv7HrF8VBW8kkcDr5Pr1DS7oIKGvA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ArofxRdchpaRpsdRKC+pQ13XdZoqpsjnLa5snbWR/tdyIKTRHAyGijG/05MMjjAn9neM5h9GdHQJalDFpeo8QTNN+2HFRV9nWuW5WsOfVEwqbjOG1nGpIWR1XP/m0tphepyrzNax/7A5YULmFL/xJ2tz4YNF+Z+J3lXHN0WWWhc=; X-YMail-OSG: 9jiuXcgVM1lBMN6qVczkdnO9wOBGF122yTRJXgc952705Iv rMFZdUxplxC7IUXBXBrg8TOJ.mZpk3nxSf8afDJNNlv6JBJuk4Batq89rJhE OOWKUSct.70pbF4_77dAQwGMudhXLmzf73M5GLnuxvtOE_7K.SX96QJuGIGY yAKkR2dGoxaeAiuC6DuSRvEoc2lKlApPQWX9at1Oy5kaYLHiRpVJBbyo0xtE LWrQBlsh7izV8w8j7zNI6B9cZHjE9t01hgxAWPcBDLtxF8ZEW8KyP6bkqnKK yXbtoB7uQEYcMjmI7bopBFlblMbPDZabSTy2NCQV6EculQBasQ5K.Uo_Tnsh rQXy7mugd4Tn2m4lPqbQtMYu76Gj7Sa0sNwBIf9ULqqXIbJSobixrMUs6F4J wLuWofTeYHzK8WbiM3rMrPujkLDsk4M76g2zz_uh2M1zxCIBAtym2Ih9mCp4 C5PrayyN2NGFdvRybQ2WUHCz8NSY9rNb3xFyNEyQtZvD9w3J.MWwUnHRD2e6 D Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:53:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <2c65d.60ae0163.3cdd75e8@aol.com> Message-ID: <1336686808.65854.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "Chip19474@aol.com" , "elliottr@rmi.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <2c65d.60ae0163.3cdd75e8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net im leaning away from fuel pump pressure as he only has one bowl leaking Frank From: "Chip19474@aol.com" To: elliottr@rmi.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing Roger, Cracked floats would do it! The floats get saturated with fuel and don't "float" anymore! I would suspect your fuel pump pressure but you said it ran fine with that fuel pump until now. I assume you're using a fuel filter so we can rule out nasty bits of dirt clogging the valves....if the float level is set to spec and the pump hasn't suddenly decided to put out 8 or 10psi, I'm guessing that there's a crack in one of your floats. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 5/10/2012 12:07:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elliottr@rmi.net writes: Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, is there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the bowls to overflow? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 19:37:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181F92D0748 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:37:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B355E2D06DA for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:29:47 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=VYN1zSV9 c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=IPbvDN-z6Au0gC-MLxYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=awd92_LkoGT6R95T9xkA:9 a=kvOKsr6YXqzmKM6azOUA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50446] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id FB/EF-09875-19F4CAF4; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:30:25 -0400 Message-ID: <6A5C7A1004ED40348262139992597306@DaveLaptop> From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:34:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In rebuilding my SU HS-6 carburetors, I came across some information myself.. If you remove the vacumn domes and pistons, with the float bowls full the fuel should to sit just below the main jets. If the bridge in the carb where the main jet sits is wet, then the floats are set too high. I haven't had a chance to actually prove this since my TR is not running yet but it does kind of make sense in the simplicity of it.. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 19:38:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5F62D06BB for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:38:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C8E512D066C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21970 invoked from network); 10 May 2012 23:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (166.249.100.54) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.108) with ESMTP; 10 May 2012 23:45:40 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:45:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0vBvSDUm7qIWUmRPWhijKM52LGoQ== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Help needed Philadelphia / Wilmington X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Lists: I have a TR3 factory hard-top which Larry Schwartz bought some time ago. The problem now is getting it from here (Michigan) to there (Queens, NY). I have reason to be in Wilmington, DE on Monday and thought if I drove I could meet Larry in or around Philadelphia. Unfortunately Larry is unavailable Monday, but could pick it up later in the week if I could find a good TR soul who would house the hard-top for us for a few days. Is there anyone in Wilmington (ideally) or Philadelphia (second choice) who could help us out here? This way, the top is 600 miles nearer its final home than it is sitting in my barn. I'd really appreciate it, and I know Larry would, too. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 09:53:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB3E2D07D8 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:53:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D662D0768 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 07:54:49 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=XO7JNjGsm8VNzQq99bvR+811t/QHWlrOI9YLcJ1UsCiEPmVDKh9ObcU6U6Ut7ApD; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.40] (helo=elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SSqJR-0004bv-Mh for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:55:17 -0400 Received: from 198.203.177.177 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:55:17 -0400 Message-ID: <11969152.1336744517650.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:55:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f00780417cee57f498df63a95decc6c4877ee1b6666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Roger Elliott List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXUegFf3: Permission denied ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 09:54:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BCC2D082C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:54:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9702D05EB for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120511141033.CHUW7477.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 10:10:33 -0400 Received: from [21.30.147.238] ([68.24.131.238]) by fed1rmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8eAM1j00358lmtw03eAW5P; Fri, 11 May 2012 10:10:33 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FAD1DD9.007D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=g8IMEmposX1KOWxGgpeiwObhpDn6sCId5OfRM/a6+Xw= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=RGFdCGvfVjgsi3xqFwnguA==:17 a=zHX4O1nN1X6cdeEiZpYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RGFdCGvfVjgsi3xqFwnguA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: Ronnie Babbitt X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <15CCE11D-DB36-49CD-B551-DE3AF8FCC488@cox.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:10:08 -0400 To: Triumphs Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [TR] Project needed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a close friend who is looking for a 67-70 spit. To build as a father son project. I took them with me to the Walter Mitty at road Atlanta, and now the son has fallen in love with triumphs. We may have a possible next generation triumph lover. Any way need help finding a project car. Needs to be very very inexpensive. For this is a teenager project and teenage budget. So if you know of one of those " maybe some day I'll get around to it's" project cars that you would like to see completed. Please contact Me. His dad is making him pay for it so he will appreciate it. I'll be there to assist in the project. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 15:46:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360B82D0884 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:46:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171462D07B9 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id BBZHpooHYmIkIGzG for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:13:43 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 13:13:43 -0700 Thread-Topic: routine maintenance Thread-Index: Ac0vspBrTB0+QBDMRCKsVqFs2d+P6Q== Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3424@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at dataresolution.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] routine maintenance X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had a Pertronix in my TR6 for many years. It works great, no problems. But there is a down side. When I had points, I did a tune-up once a year just before Triumphest, because it was about then or on the way to Triumphest that the points would get pitted and would really need to be changed. Since the Pertronix, there is no noticeable breakdown to trigger the tune-up. Well, I decided I should do a tune-up, because it seemed like it had been a while. Wow, had it. Last time I adjusted the valves was five years and 30,000+ miles! Some of the valves only had .001 clearances! The old spark plugs looked fine, good color, no deterioration of the electrodes, but the gaps were around .040! The cap and rotor both were discolored and had crude built up! It runs better now and I suspect I will get better gas mileage, too. So just a reminder to all - don't forget!!! Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 12:38:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8AF2D097C for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:38:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F092D046E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:21:18 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=NuBlHwvc/0nxXNtcoSRhj+FWbfZUObuqxmzymU1QgNyfz15kQx1eqES8d3H0Qzjo; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.21.129] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1STG0o-0005z9-GO for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: <4FAE9C36.5000205@rmi.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:58 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120319 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <2c65d.60ae0163.3cdd75e8@aol.com> <1336686808.65854.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336686808.65854.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f0078041a4de3100f8de61e9904359566130f6452601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I want to thank everyone for the suggestions and ideas. I hooked up a pressure gauge today - fuel pressure was almost 10 psi. I put in a pressure regulator and the pressure is now just over 2 1/2 psi. I now have it set so it is running about 95% right. I think I just need to make the carbs a little richer. Just to follow up on a couple of suggestions. I could not detect any gas in the floats that were originally in the carbs. I replaced them and still had the overflow problem. The floats are the solid plastic ones - no metal arms. I set them so a drill bit between 1/8" and 3/16" inches (per Spit manual) would just roll under the float. So I think I am all set. Thanks again for all of the ideas. Roger Elliott On 05/10/2012 04:53 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > imleaning away from fuel pump pressure as he only has one bowl leaking > Frank > > *From:* "Chip19474@aol.com" > *To:* elliottr@rmi.net; triumphs@autox.team.net > *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [TR] Float bowls overflowing > > Roger, > > Cracked floats would do it! The floats get saturated with fuel and > don't > "float" anymore! I would suspect your fuel pump pressure but you > said it > ran fine with that fuel pump until now. I assume you're using a fuel > filter > so we can rule out nasty bits of dirt clogging the valves....if the > float > level is set to spec and the pump hasn't suddenly decided to put out > 8 or > 10psi, I'm guessing that there's a crack in one of your floats. > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1976 TR6 CF57822U > > > > In a message dated 5/10/2012 12:07:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > elliottr@rmi.net writes: > > Assuming I haven't botched installing the needle valves and floats, is > there anything besides excess fuel pressure that would cause the > bowls to > overflow? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 14:20:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD992C0C4B for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:20:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EECA2D0904 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4981 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 18:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.103) with ESMTP; 12 May 2012 18:45:42 -0000 Message-ID: <21137DC5A08743648FFC2C74FF115A49@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:45:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] so off topic its rediculous X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net therebs a song I really like b la guitare fait mal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIBIEzE9Eo&feature=autoplay&list=PLD5763E9CC8 04A667&lf=results_video&playnext=1 btw b itbs a blues piece. Ibm a big fan of that genre and I think its pretty good. features luther allison and johnny hallyday its in french, and I think the title is bthe guitar donbt lieb or at least thatbs what Ibve been able to pick up. here are the lyrics. anyone conversant enough in french willing to translate? I suspect therebs a lot of slang. the literal translation via google makes no sense. Toute la nuit, il a jouC) sur sa guitare Au fond d'un vieux cafC) Un peu de soleil, sur le goudron mouillC) Les gens s'en vont, le jour va se lever C'est la derniC(re chanson, d'un amour blessC) Y a la guerre quelque part, loin du cafC) Comme un amour bizarre qui veut jamais rentrer Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait... mal La femme qui vient le soir, s'habille en noir Elle sourit quand il joue le blues Elle demande chaque soir, la mC*me chanson La mC*me chanson qui est toute son histoire Et c'est son parfum qui traC.ne dans le lointain On empile des chaises, pour balayer C'est toute une histoire qu'il faudrait oublier Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait... mal Il y a pas si longtemps, pas trC(s longtemps Il jouait pour pouvoir l'aimer MalgrC) les journC)es oC9 il perdait sa vie Pour la voir arriver quand venait la nuit Il attend la nuit et cette femme aussi Comme on attend son dernier train Qui va l'emporter vers son vrai destin Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait mal La guitare fait mal ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 16:54:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73042D09DF for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 16:54:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm24-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 73CBB2D09CB for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm24.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 21:32:39 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 21:32:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 21:32:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 586246.82053.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28412 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2012 21:32:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1336858359; bh=jgosKg81whShQoEm0M7ydvKnVXA3Lyr1jyYtgIrSB8o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W8JBDfq/LmeU9c3VXf6iMO4BvYtH4neR2x7yOhi8ZX/ZYSlnsBmBUWJOAEatxCK+/jzfG3M+JQzWew8wcf+Q7fIywdHkR1c5YZFj1ep7M0QWwcJty5LxTpcejmLQv/KdGUUZu3zZgySOFV9V2RXlOuhSaFCu042fKf4mzwAU37M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6W79QHMsr8mm2wjW+5zNQ4qGshYVUlS6AZKW4RycHg/IX+60OemZv4Ox0mhRIw5wmHE5bNRr/o5yOwQh08hMzKWb3vCMhXyk16oXHjjl0agECvOYf3Dy3oBDQ1Bi1lgmHDQHIBMDw7Jw3mo/fBjli3jjXcHXS5kgO/VWXIW/xBQ=; X-YMail-OSG: zlUlK8YVM1niGpMnFtz0hZN5MKWuztUutclpW3V.ip71XdI WjpexXBbjUoawU_Ltk4jjf_sYtrjzbPNLzIUnmj39SUInS1HbMH7Ly3mNXQW CavBxlJauI6kDT2GhAf9owlQHbYnOFKnByyB2.s7syP5EGQS2RGsnzqq5e2Z iJt8PTY2g6uaG3yZ7yt25ENaYUI.7szp_Hhqpsigz9OId5MmBI3UEcb12RZe 7sxHQ34TtNezfBhOewNPhvIY4M.YGbOMEZyUYMbfPTgk4cpWW1odDBUTQUzO Sd.ldwCzgI94ei6zgcf55CnDfwXjQghgCA3S5awcMlFTU.x1YnUMQlH7ZLGh Rk1Na9Ef0PivUJd1A_6iIEfARgpi5uFDY.K8PnDAOqtDpa5KCtOfBoNMuzIo LEV8FeMqtCn8QdJNdv4HbHIUZAXJKhdTqwIu7QIMGSsHQbfMK_rFa5RIeSOg 50wrWi2aSKZEDbWEP_WPynrPKBD.picMbmqa0z2.wYeiBlYQlcfrmszzB2Pk l8n.IsFNUQ_dJooumplzZX67afvb3CLOY6PrNrLn75l4PNRU4aB2EBbP1ZVK PdrnqopZI0mHnIg-- Received: from [212.139.251.4] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:32:39 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <21137DC5A08743648FFC2C74FF115A49@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <1336858359.27243.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:32:39 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Dave , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <21137DC5A08743648FFC2C74FF115A49@ranteer.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] so off topic its rediculous X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Disagree, Dave. Whatever music anyone chooses to play in their Triumph is surely on-topic? Go to YouTube and dial in 'C'est pas de l'amour' by Goldman Fredericks Jones or 'MaryLou' by Danyel Gerard. Fabulous songs with a very special French technique and guitar work. I had several of these guys albums on my MP3 in the Stag on the Trans-America event in 2009. Sang them all at the top of my voice in open country, in city traffic and sitting at stop lights. The facial reactions I got from Montreal to Dallas to San Francisco were priceless Love songs in French and Grand Opera in Italian are perfect for top down driving in any LBC. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Dave To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2012, 19:45 Subject: [TR] so off topic its rediculous >therebs a song I really like b la guitare fait mal - >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIBIEzE9Eo&feature=autoplay&list=PLD5763E9CC8 >04A667&lf=results_video&playnext=1 > >btw b itbs a blues piece. Ibm a big fan of that genre and I think its >pretty good. features luther allison and johnny hallyday > >its in french, and I think the title is bthe guitar donbt lieb or at >least thatbs what Ibve been able to pick up. > >here are the lyrics. anyone conversant enough in french willing to translate? >I suspect therebs a lot of slang. the literal translation via google makes >no sense. > > >Toute la nuit, il a jouC) sur sa guitare >Au fond d'un vieux cafC) >Un peu de soleil, sur le goudron mouillC) >Les gens s'en vont, le jour va se lever > >C'est la derniC(re chanson, d'un amour blessC) >Y a la guerre quelque part, loin du cafC) >Comme un amour bizarre qui veut jamais rentrer >Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait... mal > >La femme qui vient le soir, s'habille en noir >Elle sourit quand il joue le blues >Elle demande chaque soir, la mC*me chanson >La mC*me chanson qui est toute son histoire > >Et c'est son parfum qui traC.ne dans le lointain >On empile des chaises, pour balayer >C'est toute une histoire qu'il faudrait oublier >Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait... mal > >Il y a pas si longtemps, pas trC(s longtemps >Il jouait pour pouvoir l'aimer >MalgrC) les journC)es oC9 il perdait sa vie >Pour la voir arriver quand venait la nuit > >Il attend la nuit et cette femme aussi >Comme on attend son dernier train >Qui va l'emporter vers son vrai destin >Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait mal > >La guitare fait mal > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 16:57:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3BD2D09F8 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 16:57:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4812D07E8 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 99471j0051u4NiLA19e50q; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:38:05 +0000 Received: from [10.250.36.220] ([174.252.146.110]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 99dr1j00q2P8YyN8h9dvSk; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:38:03 +0000 To: "Dave" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:38:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?so_off_topic_its_rediculous?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120512225718.6C3BD2D09F8@autox.team.net> Try babelfish. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dave" To: Subject: [TR] so off topic its rediculous Date: Sat, May 12, 2012 13:45 therebs a song I really like b la guitare fait mal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIBIEzE9Eo&feature=autoplay&list=PLD5763E9CC8 04A667&lf=results_video&playnext=1 btw b itbs a blues piece. Ibm a big fan of that genre and I think its pretty good. features luther allison and johnny hallyday its in french, and I think the title is bthe guitar donbt lieb or at least thatbs what Ibve been able to pick up. here are the lyrics. anyone conversant enough in french willing to translate? I suspect therebs a lot of slang. the literal translation via google makes no sense. Toute la nuit, il a jouC) sur sa guitare Au fond d'un vieux cafC) Un peu de soleil, sur le goudron mouillC) Les gens s'en vont, le jour va se lever C'est la derniC(re chanson, d'un amour blessC) Y a la guerre quelque part, loin du cafC) Comme un amour bizarre qui veut jamais rentrer Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait... mal La femme qui vient le soir, s'habille en noir Elle sourit quand il joue le blues Elle demande chaque soir, la mC*me chanson La mC*me chanson qui est toute son histoire Et c'est son parfum qui traC.ne dans le lointain On empile des chaises, pour balayer C'est toute une histoire qu'il faudrait oublier Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait... mal Il y a pas si longtemps, pas trC(s longtemps Il jouait pour pouvoir l'aimer MalgrC) les journC)es oC9 il perdait sa vie Pour la voir arriver quand venait la nuit Il attend la nuit et cette femme aussi Comme on attend son dernier train Qui va l'emporter vers son vrai destin Tout C'a est normal et la guitare fait mal La guitare fait mal ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 18:27:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5712D098D for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:27:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 48F142D098B for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.79] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:39:41 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:39:41 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.120] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:39:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:39:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 958244.81726.bm@omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 9972 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 23:39:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=X/DK3xpFfKHEBkENVxNjotZFGxY1nwh+D7J4s+u/t/thWhlHdUpqu+JMao+NQkRZBTTIJDpHMclMfCalJnJp48zecvE0Llalf+6XoYN6DmRREB0uw81aXOkOqaydxzsbDRzUa0oT+vxNVBgc175h97DKxM78KitBVqSvnBCXEt0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1336865980; bh=QPxtGUvGevr/1PYJSVSP+zJBPcPQGDFhb7OFYMLYGGs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=mgJ48ow8StdZK5oeWG5DfkB6VlDRQH8LRRdQ0v9amcq9sc0jeiIAlmfmYamMRzXA+is0nu0MhxkDtQXYOayEXM6nnbu8IGykdepeAxsX3t8WHqoQ6VUtz30foldm2m/bARIWZozr9FHndpwUMlLz6L6I1fqSKzY1Wgr98ihrDyc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: st5fXpQVM1nhahDCLJMpDx9rF7PBX0DI5urpnpE5UZMLmNU QdQ5cHiK1CSqYbGyqar9baVSFbxDNTnUjbPutnWuSUJgHQNM_sPBVb3Yw8BQ m7vlfAsHB9Jd.ts4BvQYXv__1qoKBwaHWT0D_kYyIiERG1LMyJJBqzCZKutW tz87QqrOfHLQZ1aURxQxepkJBDHQlUykCHODGw5G856UB0vhJWk35JsSfEQa 9JoN.CIfjR5wGh.fRGkEW8WfSN.yVTdxAWb.T0wy0_YH0.CoWo22yFD15a5D Q34HgpRsgJ_SyQZrMEQJ5UYxNcZ04a2CCT4YUoqxxuPFyDHAajWAFzkeSXjw MEzXeLYlXWDJauy9auPeImFWbjmJUlpoPLKhQ9AFfxfjF_WaAbCL3hrO3azc gSOXNnFsiAAwO32ufLoMt163ylkMcP45Nnw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 16:39:40 -0700 PDT From: To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: <72F68DC386464A9F805BBE9EAE625716@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0wmEOjir5NORf/RyCsKDMGNCR1aA== Subject: [TR] Mom in my TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure if many of you have had your mother take off in your newly acquired Triumph, but mine did. Mom had a practice of 'test driving' every four wheeled heap I drug home as a teen, I think she secretly was taking it up to the service station (you remember service stations don't you?) to have the local guy check it over. I never complained as it always came back with a full tank of gas. Later she even co-signed a $300 note at the bank so I could get the overdrive fixed before I headed off to a new job 100 miles away. Happy Mother's Day to all the TR loving moms out there! Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 18:28:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7DC2D09D0 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:28:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94412D0712 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so8367878obb.14 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gmail has a translate feature on it emails, it shows this: * All night he Performed) on his guitar At the bottom of an old CAFC) A little sun, on asphalt mouillC) People are leaving, the day will rise * * * * This is the derniC (re song, a love blessC) Y a war somewhere far CAFC) Like a love bizarre ever wants to return It has everything is normal and the guitar is ... evil * * The woman who comes at night, dressed in black She smiles when he plays the blues She asks every night, the song I * mC MC * The song that is my whole story * * And it's his scent that traC.ne in the distance Are stacked chairs, to sweep This is a story that should be forgotten It has everything is normal and the guitar is ... evil * * Not so long ago, not trC (s long He played for the love power MalgrC) the journC) are OC9 he lost his life To see it happen when the night came * * He expected the night and this woman also As expected the last train Who will win to his true destiny It has everything is normal and the guitar hurts * * * * The guitar hurts * Okay, still leaves something to the imagination. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 19:55:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2882D09B5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, you didn't leave them behind in the car... At least in Montreal, they could understand the words you were singing! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Macartney" > To: "Dave" , triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:32:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] so off topic its rediculous > Disagree, Dave. Whatever music anyone chooses to play in their Triumph > is > surely on-topic? Go to YouTube and dial in 'C'est pas de l'amour' by > Goldman > Fredericks Jones or 'MaryLou' by Danyel Gerard. Fabulous songs with a > very > special French technique and guitar work. I had several of these guys > albums > on my MP3 in the Stag on the Trans-America event in 2009. Sang them > all at the > top of my voice in open country, in city traffic and sitting at stop > lights. > The facial reactions I got from Montreal to Dallas to San Francisco > were > priceless > Love songs in French and Grand Opera in Italian are perfect for top > down driving in any LBC. > > Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 20:44:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04202D09A7 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:44:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AB9F52D098F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 01:40:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.213] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 01:40:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 01:40:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 747550.47000.bm@omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53555 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2012 01:40:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1336873237; bh=cBhwNCw+JfMvI/jx48qEaK1kQcUdlxiko+vJ1bG47XM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f64xGJhGCjM2xfnoZwojVTj4lLJKQ4lnOHBwqAwTxgA9FLAXHG2BE5VCRUcN3lZLFwA28uvwqclym6dk3UwYpa2NcceDFS7qW4vIvfarR7ruPhxRk4SJpORPnE5MxnPKcTcjPDyeZovYTaIniPDudGZMP+aOH9EDAjI2EkB8ry4= s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kkwyAiDuP/xrzACEwtxer07VEpWLsHRvUju0+bGBhf6/RP+q9BPoTxpkkmwuOGulfdOOekwohR7sh6ArnSc5K6wMOrWFuaZZrmZfKr6gSD/buqeIZpT9jlls26Dvp+nrhggGRauWTXc0NO6IHuQmP6dSOy1hTk417pP3YsXELwY=; X-YMail-OSG: hOZS5zMVM1n2VNFLC8yvs1tIjXawKv61IUav6Q2ohRKfwjy vOKgxnHPP_sOSOZxRyOs3VA7URMpkgKHqxHTZAhoL_iZfc3jVPcdlktngu1z HtleS4ujzcNFKIPkP2eHqtm1Kl5HfdEIr7UeTGEHiGhGopa3XnS8gM.FA5hx UvqPJJa7tZotAuQTwyb5WimibFxFW29KRQ9eVXRYpXGz54J2G6t6eZYFiJg0 EX32zwYSOYvP_Wq0RNjI8Eo9qpaUTcemVDAhYmmvqG5YflbcyFL_Ynw5e1ES Io42BMbyzJSz3GIXPNhP8iiwf7KSqCXgUgImswfcTY3BHB2cxRS6hpmWmd3r tFHj.DaGy82i.tAMcHI6EDafCdGXqNz1t4DFxJMOLjaYaphRfb61Oi3l.Z7o UjlLl0QuEuo0S1MioCunpwnlqFiYBCsL2TC1EzOs6REIOYFWCRI.JFAVPBvR CKQsy1fsv4Cksnz.b2oAFc_63GC5iz0H04O2X9IRAxn6IzasI_04X34YwWuu jTxYuEbExyhgm7AOzBAcqHPwvACufmrzv1o7eX1jGzm8xf7K6Ibahm06..ZA faMwdMBc86DZc9EoHO5fnlLn9uCqdU8fDzT8- Received: from [24.10.41.74] by web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:40:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336873237.34000.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: P Caffrey To: triumphs@autox.team.net, wbeech@flash.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Mom in my TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, mine did too....In 1977 my mother and sister drove me to the foothills of Sacramento to pick up my newly purchased TR4A. It only took a few days of having the car that mom wanted to drive it. She did, and drove it well....When she got older and couldn't drive anymore, she loved to ride in it. Pat --- On Sat, 5/12/12, wbeech@flash.net wrote: From: wbeech@flash.net Subject: [TR] Mom in my TR3 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 11:39 PM Not sure if many of you have had your mother take off in your newly acquired Triumph, but mine did. Mom had a practice of 'test driving' every four wheeled heap I drug home as a teen, I think she secretly was taking it up to the service station (you remember service stations don't you?) to have the local guy check it over. I never complained as it always came back with a full tank of gas. Later she even co-signed a $300 note at the bank so I could get the overdrive fixed before I headed off to a new job 100 miles away. Happy Mother's Day to all the TR loving moms out there! Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pcaffrey@ymail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 22:11:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AC02D09A9 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:11:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B66C2D096F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:02:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=cssZYiEi c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=jd6l6bgHu1PWFylnX5sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:65452] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 70/83-09134-5842FAF4; Sun, 13 May 2012 03:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <1336873237.34000.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336873237.34000.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:03:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] Mom in my TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net High school and college student days of maintaining LBCs on part time, minimum wage jobs, living at home, using moms kitchen pans as oil drain pans, cars on blocks in the driveway under repair, etc. Mom was never very interested in cars, but she sure was patient. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 22:58:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29BA2D09E5 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:58:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 53EBD2D0978 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17429 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 04:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.235) with ESMTP; 13 May 2012 04:00:49 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Dave" To: References: <1336873237.34000.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336873237.34000.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:57:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] Mom in my TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my mother is quite the contrary. can't drive a shift, and isn't interested. couldn't tell a camry from a cadillac. my brother had a tr3, and it was the source of many "issues" due to the repairs while he was in college. my mother has said "I don't remember any of the cars you kids drove except for that damned Triumph." -----Original Message----- From: P Caffrey Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:40 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net ; wbeech@flash.net Subject: Re: [TR] Mom in my TR3 Yes, mine did too....In 1977 my mother and sister drove me to the foothills of Sacramento to pick up my newly purchased TR4A. It only took a few days of having the car that mom wanted to drive it. She did, and drove it well....When she got older and couldn't drive anymore, she loved to ride in it. Pat --- On Sat, 5/12/12, wbeech@flash.net wrote: From: wbeech@flash.net Subject: [TR] Mom in my TR3 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 11:39 PM Not sure if many of you have had your mother take off in your newly acquired Triumph, but mine did. Mom had a practice of 'test driving' every four wheeled heap I drug home as a teen, I think she secretly was taking it up to the service station (you remember service stations don't you?) to have the local guy check it over. I never complained as it always came back with a full tank of gas. Later she even co-signed a $300 note at the bank so I could get the overdrive fixed before I headed off to a new job 100 miles away. Happy Mother's Day to all the TR loving moms out there! Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 07:01:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189662D0829 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 07:01:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB5A2D0A56 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 06:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4DCQ47Z019680; Sun, 13 May 2012 08:26:04 -0400 Received: from core-dob004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.141]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6AFD1E000085; Sun, 13 May 2012 08:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Message-ID: <5dc8.41b490c7.3ce1025c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:26:04 -0400 (EDT) To: wbeech@flash.net, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5002 X-Originating-IP: [173.49.70.166] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336911964; bh=aWWplLMhT4nNu1u0a1GpKFETXLMV9OwpSmAqCg+MZHw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ETyV1ePpD0ekOk05KLq91CqV+4vzPk2pnPljWOLQeKyV7g365EqzHXNzTxRUo29JX Lvy9lZPedrVcq/QBWo8zSMcJ0M8JUEl/Fv1QJn3YNp8DbovM6rPLFuHO8lshYEuT1S 3Zox1eLlj/Msbfp0ISy1UwPcnr5H1lNp1kIW9tO0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433128032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4fafa85c3a22 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Mom in my TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ha, ha, ha.....not my mom - my father! Many years ago (as in 1966!) when dad said he needed a second car, my brother and I persuaded him that a Spitfire would fit his budget. We figured that he would generously let us borrow it occasionally so it would be a win-win. Well, "occasionally" turned out to be the operative word! Dad really loved the way sports car drivers waved at each other and wouldn't give it up:) Sorry, bit off track - this is more of a Father's Day story! Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 5/12/2012 8:27:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: Not sure if many of you have had your mother take off in your newly acquired Triumph, but mine did. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 07:34:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962742D0A71 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 07:34:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBAB2D09FE for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 06:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so9674781obb.14 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=puKgLK2FShiKguppoyfxHSRwteTsnZDv4dhI2GsBo4E=; b=LEuYs2yTN/5bzw2fF32dxL9H+nP3OkhViZ+VAadCa7B5j1HymhRwtm7bmqR0d4NwsX lXYl9Sz6tCFGuL+QBKz3YeMlPicN3ASF9XiZEudShZCJBxBiAtd1UfW79oXpG/MwWuvf +RDQawfs01iReZQC7h0HhcEq54swrzAMP1GTKBHarCas38srvnSRdv1SdACOD+1Pbtvt 8djSqy3yhFVUtdw8oJlPB4vB1meueTw5AwQU+ZTtEABZzcMuUloDOiCI35zBcYxaFao6 q2FdwDrXfaLAsZ6XkZ8XZmxxWAuERyrxvtFAPnwsTXSVxEYe4fOjfejNCHW1nMgrzf2j X0iA== Received: by 10.182.159.41 with SMTP id wz9mr6464759obb.69.1336913573463; Sun, 13 May 2012 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-55-198.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.55.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rj10sm6509708obc.22.2012.05.13.05.52.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 05:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FAFAEA2.2050108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 05:52:50 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1336873237.34000.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Mom in my TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/12/12 8:57 PM, Dave wrote: > and isn't interested. couldn't tell a camry from a cadillac. Funny, neither can I unless I read the label. I can tell the LBCs that died by or before 1981 and the mostly pre 1975ish race cars because I lived in a very car conscious social group growing up and as an early adult. But these cars are frozen in time so once I learned the taxonomy I had it down. It seems like in the late 1970's and 80's styles got really boring. How could one get excited by a Mustang II? Ever since then I pretty much lost interest in cars newer than the ones I learned in younger days. Since then there are very few cars I've paid attention to. I sure wouldn't kick a DB7 out of my garage but I might the newer DBs built by Jag. I have my 1961 TR3 & my 1960 Land Rover Dormobile. I have an interest in a Morris Traveller or a MGA fixed head coupe plus a few others that I could never afford. It seems enough for me. The newer cars somehow just are short lived nannymobiiles that nanny the occupants and separate them from the classic motoring experience. So yes, one more woman who can bot tell a camry from a cadillac and isn't interested enough to learn. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 07:38:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E812D0A78 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 07:38:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F302D09FE for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 06:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Quw1j00517dt5G53Qvc5c; Sun, 13 May 2012 12:55:36 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.113]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Qvc1j00a2SagsU3ZQvcGD; Sun, 13 May 2012 12:55:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:55:36 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-ID: <1464725387.337428.1336913736413.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3424@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [75.67.80.110] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have become a sudden and sound believer in ZDP. When I last rebuilt my engine something like 8 years ago, I bought lifters that Ken Gilanders at British Frame and Engine described as more hardened than usual. I also sent my cam off somewhere out west to a machine shop to be reground. When I broke the engine down in April, what I found was that the lifters on the exhaust lobes were destroyed on the bottom, where the surface was not overly lapped, but rather cratered. Same on the Camshaft. Inlet lobes and lifters seemed much better. (Why would that be?) 8 years ago, the cam came back as bare metal...no seeming special treatment. This time, I went to a local machine shop I trust. The reground cam came back covered in black stuff that they tell me is a specially prepared designed layer designed to hold oil and protect the hardened surface until it "laps in." my friend Barry at the machine shop also gave me a small bottle of ZDP and said to use that instead of assembly lube. "Then pour the rest of the bottle into the 30 weight non-detergent you'll use to break the engine in." Question, though. I would have thought that ZDP would protect from wear as opposed to this deep pitting. No? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:10:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD082C0C45 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:10:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 188522D0384 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 02:16:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.44] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 02:16:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 02:16:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 99431.93825.bm@omp1044.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 74781 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2012 02:16:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336961795; bh=8notmbTj2T5sVoXY5sAz5voVZ5p2319zjynmQYQcOt8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=428q79FX8n3HuEuJqzUODpqpu8VntkAKORkJEevx6mx34raZ8EKR6qL1rYwR+OI9bO/kaLlGQx1cw086P97lYVV5PkcmwI/QaNvvk2FHv9V411NriutbPr2/GyiUhdgX7LmMJoc6TSnOvycZMLpzala7Z7iOuxlLNkDfhAAMsNY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BxtZ926hhsKPDcjJSgtUVWVPEupbBvSc6dj0LKMbumQPMVCEz47CTZH+uoj0zKapAyWlC6Va0DJ5gckmSJ9Da6KBxOlSFWhqzWUaAetpYMPvd6KexWBIebDrl+sYGWSaiYiHSjVCggGMuIOMAdmKgiz1Zaeh8I1ly9kjjK+0ssU=; X-YMail-OSG: sD3K37QVM1ns0DYDS97gk06Hnt06ZhBSOJ_3pSdHPWN46ff vlK9120nlcOXwl2GUHM5jQLQhVaxHjF57Wz5Ucquwyl9XMBpZt7dgAkrbIkx 1YeeE8TA6ZitJlbPnhnrDexPk5uWkLknXzrJwdxEML9slh1rTdW.7TOqq.uU xmbTF_wwdLO.WVkhcH9EWjSXwHwRIBj7JPa9cYvbLhD1EWdVgbaKKHaCf_2r cCerOXKPuPNHk_bajJimqgArdqeaj32bfeIbEGrWm6GE_yG6.w1tPe0yF3vQ AkthILui_NqKuMCelnSeDpFuPzvDlsh2H.hNzMn1Uyl9VPrSQpokdlojcxUV TXw8CVFjj.7.7pxxMroa7cWytxJVZ2iWvMXipnedwQrVVqAZ2LsNugfPEyuj VJ3aPZWFpseZuBGtRw4iCffQosR1CXs7CEc74Axxgy4G2k5INpFMX2rMvsec HG2GCWgqCQ3nIvpF8 Received: from [96.240.91.193] by web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:16:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336961795.74111.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cosmo Kramer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Terry Smith wrote: I have become a sudden and sound believer in ZDP. When I last rebuilt my engine something like 8 years ago, I bought lifters that Ken Gillanders at British Frame and Engine described as more hardened than usual. I also sent my cam off somewhere out west to a machine shop to be reground. When I broke the engine down in April, what I found was that the lifters on the exhaust lobes were destroyed on the bottom, where the surface was not overly lapped, but rather cratered. Same on the Camshaft. Inlet lobes and lifters seemed much better. (Why would that be?) 8 years ago, the cam came back as bare metal...no seeming special treatment. This time, I went to a local machine shop I trust. The reground cam came back covered in black stuff that they tell me is a specially prepared designed layer designed to hold oil and protect the hardened surface until it "laps in." my friend Barry at the machine shop also gave me a small bottle of ZDP and said to use that instead of assembly lube. "Then pour the rest of the bottle into the 30 weight non-detergent you'll use to break the engine in." Question, though. I would have thought that ZDP would protect from wear as opposed to this deep pitting. No? Terry Smith --------------- Hi Terry! I'm very interested in this thread, because I too have purchased these lifters from Ken G. back in 2K when I did my engine rebuild. I have some questions to ask you: 1- What oil were you using in your Engine since you did the rebuild? 2- How often did you change the oil? Miles vs time? 3- Did you purchase this oil each year when you did your oil changes, or did you purchase much of the oil in quaint, BEFORE the change came about on needing to add ZDP into the now-a-day oil? 4- What oil filters where you using? 5- Only used one type of oil or changing brands form time to time? 6- What tappets are you using NOW? Because Ken G. sold me tappet sleeves to install into my engine for his tappets to fit properly. TIA, -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:12:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFBB2D0BC6 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:12:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 164CD2D0AF3 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 02:27:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.162] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 02:27:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 02:27:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 327375.2600.bm@omp1063.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2167 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2012 02:27:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336962450; bh=xtYXAvOrqtPx0zZMzXEVunLC7B6C3gNJlHgTpYr0Uds=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1wZcAN6EzItA4hclKLCKmEbUMpYDSLSCtciKiQNRmlmW2TfvdKWqbN8re49anrmAsUPjPmhddTtkiYAHkwaMh7QZCCRkefjp1c2jrGPOhzbJd+lJRCUMnopeXNHHJVKIUp2tjr04oGshD+m7IFy+TI+kV1UfVRC1McY34s+337Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M/oo7YGPIbPEtKA74bs5zVmUx+CcCM54DnFZHYKToi0eMaoqrYh1vPMktApiDwhHqinMHUDQJNI1w2KKQ+yyQa/YxquAwo7qkbexPe8RtBkKOA3thONiL5a8wBBLt3Fg6EGw1BC86xlsx8lh5opNdZMFXUzH9XJ+/u4MGrMuthk=; X-YMail-OSG: CWj2bKIVM1m3.XZ4JHzE5E6OrN.ir7.AkEbKIjiQM5PRY4a dl7eiTqpdFMaquvVexYdRDgu1vvQ6jtnvrJpmy9Svr8AEzFi8HsfClHlbHNm pCuPa303DHajWExXG5HgPA64XYMqnrExAitgZFDWdXyr91ulLU6KBzSoZ8XE bdrE9gBrqjlvC98R8BNvw7O_8w.qhhZmhLKZzODjEgJ3pj.9.RkV3yXEcDQ2 8nsb7XO_AaQ8a5AajwjlqAEsHwu14snUkQ8UIXyvQUALkRlTlDzKwelYsFNt gNhpZ8YHQlJo8___pWXzWXdQyWPRiv8NMOJFPFL43GLkjYBICGcLIUIKua0. C399HEtUkyaZNxTddCpAfXdkUmp5osi7JRr3dZHm8ZeVpYwMB4qnKnPsWI4i 7AoRVEdijPSTfMlnF.l_iEY.jSTuEFDmfPPE6U6TGXnSgLBSfNWNva6EuXg- - Received: from [96.240.91.193] by web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:27:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336962450.93786.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cosmo Kramer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 From: terryrs@comcast.net Subject: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition I have become a sudden and sound believer in ZDP. When I last rebuilt my engine something like 8 years ago, I bought lifters that Ken Gilanders at British Frame and Engine described as more hardened than usual. I also sent my cam off somewhere out west to a machine shop to be reground. When I broke the engine down in April, what I found was that the lifters on the exhaust lobes were destroyed on the bottom, where the surface was not overly lapped, but rather cratered. Same on the Camshaft. Inlet lobes and lifters seemed much better. (Why would that be?) 8 years ago, the cam came back as bare metal...no seeming special treatment. This time, I went to a local machine shop I trust. The reground cam came back covered in black stuff that they tell me is a specially prepared designed layer designed to hold oil and protect the hardened surface until it "laps in." my friend Barry at the machine shop also gave me a small bottle of ZDP and said to use that instead of assembly lube. "Then pour the rest of the bottle into the 30 weight non-detergent you'll use to break the engine in." Question, though. I would have thought that ZDP would protect from wear as opposed to this deep pitting. No? Terry Smith --------------- Hi terry! I'm very interested in this thread, because I too have purchased these lifters from Ken G. back in 2K when I did my engine rebuild. I have some questions to ask you: 1- What oil were you using in your Engine since you did the rebuild? 2- How often did you change the oil? Miles vs time? 3- Did you purchase this oil each year when you did your oil changes, or did you purchase much of the oil in quanty, BEFORE the change came about on needing to add ZDP into the now-a-day oil? 4- What oil filters where you using? 5- Only used one type of oil or changing brands form time to time? 6- What tappets are you using NOW? Because Ken G. sold me tappet sleeves to install into my engine for his tappets to fit properly. TIA, -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 23:54:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48AF2D0BD5 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:54:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578F32D0AC4 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 22:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bradakis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 680FC2E088; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:00:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Mark J Bradakis To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120514050054.680FC2E088@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [TR] Team.Net notes X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net n case you are wondering: http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 07:01:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3CB2D0AD0 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 07:01:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630652D0A41 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL122-DS3 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 14 May 2012 05:12:05 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [71.102.218.49] X-Originating-Email: [peterara@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" , Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 05:12:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 14 May 2012 05:12:05 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2012 12:12:05.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6C0EEA0:01CD31CA] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a ZDDP assembly paste available, too... Also, the pitting is a clear sign of breakdown as the matrix that is formed in hardening breaks down from lack of ZDDP. Peter Arakelian ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 08:04:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741192D0ABA for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:04:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334032D0AAD for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 07:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so2827063ggm.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ue+oaJE12ANrxenSG8K/zTC0oypfvkvfjFaYXc45ETs=; b=wl/5th5Tr9EY6Lepz6HjOO4aQonXU/2WSRGUCplVCPYivjiHt6heYy9kNLrCcchrZJ WcGffvmijOlon/ptPQUdGzxggROWeBBtDJUE7DWh2m1yuozvQd015/BwmsZceRVv9ZrZ R6QhdxWziYxa9IQdBVgs6E0sEsIoA7BqQwkn+23fHc2xoOTj15wPbVgwts58B9ONJIRp 9ssM59xGHlhRB1mrwndzLuizwDrLNyD/JDpok7SURHXZFTYEmoGUEbqWeDfJYc6EOklN c9GblGYqosRiWfrhZQvGl9CbPsKt/CC58uNgzmOsElBC97GJOgEwG1Nq4zo9Ix9h5gNG z/dA== Received: by 10.60.18.198 with SMTP id y6mr11780408oed.38.1337001657803; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-55-198.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.55.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xk19sm3405641obc.5.2012.05.14.06.20.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 06:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 06:20:54 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/12 5:12 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > There is a ZDDP assembly paste available, too... > Also, the pitting is a clear sign of breakdown as the matrix that is formed in > hardening breaks down from lack of ZDDP. > Pitting. That is why the cams and lifters were replaced in both of my cars year before last. I discovered high quality name brand oil is only good for roller cams. Since then I always read the label and don't buy it unless it mentions that it is formulated to protect flat lifter cams. Now I'm getting name brand oil stating "not legal for street use" which means I have to stay after those leaks to keep oil off the street.;) And I have picked up oils who's brands I hardly recognize if at all that are clearly more expensive than normal name brand stuff just because it says it has ZDDP added for flat tappet engines. My pocket book does not want to take the hit of replacing cams, lifters, + timing chain, gears & tensioner (because they wear & this is the best time to replace them) on two cars at the same time for a long time. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 09:59:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD63D2D0AC0 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:59:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B47F2D0AC8 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ALFA ([76.249.237.51]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 9qB41j00N17DVQU01qB5BE; Mon, 14 May 2012 07:11:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Dave" To: References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:11:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net last time I was in a flaps, the valvoline synthetic 20w-50 racing oil had zddp -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:20 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition On 5/14/12 5:12 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > There is a ZDDP assembly paste available, too... > Also, the pitting is a clear sign of breakdown as the matrix that is > formed in > hardening breaks down from lack of ZDDP. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 10:55:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EACB2D0B0A for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:55:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4C62D0AB7 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail27-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.244) by CH1EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.43.70.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:24:01 +0000 Received: from mail27-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail27-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9E44000E6; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:24:01 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-BigFish: PS1(zzzz1202hzzz32i2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail27-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail27-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1337009039893757_2895; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.251]) by mail27-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE42160221; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (157.56.236.85) by CH1EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (10.43.70.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:23:56 +0000 Received: from BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.98]) by BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.83.37]) with mapi id 14.16.0152.000; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:24:00 +0000 From: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition Thread-Index: AQHNMdHHxutZCzHPtU2g2ikETSE1u5bJRSMAgAAhK8A= Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [162.6.97.24] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: redcross.org Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was planning on using 20w-50 Mobil 1 in my TR8. Then add some of the ZDDP additive that Eastwood sells. Good idea? Flawed idea? Probably cheaper that those expensive Royal Purple or Red Line oils. Mike Mack 80 TR8 FI DHC 79 Spitfire 70 GT6+ 72 Stag ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 10:56:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D2A2D0BFF for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:56:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 01FF72D0A41 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 15:58:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.194] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 15:58:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 15:58:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 386290.1392.bm@omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33411 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2012 15:58:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337011103; bh=y7iv8ZLo7fKuQ9xY1lPGnHY/cCv+hmpOVsH1DVmKDiA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IwuqjUQQzLJiViCoLD0exWIvZbECjosrmxtiDBgZz3B5qIBfbSnb4XNPkDgqkCKzrKz/RnzBPzn7WscqnW+a1eRRPQx9wqetY1qp3Sn22/8ma24mM3IgrwLE9EBpzRY2iGfRiSlypxZoOR8XU/ncmiLqU7u3H+qr1v2wRw7zE8c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bJi4wNvFmbJaVpeQThiOxPXV2XF3LLjHC6EKE/sdq7h0KZG+KDuaMUMKbo0KfUZ9dHuqe/6jJP6RwOp0qO2cURgOAO6CMaZMejgO26IReFb+9tQ/TLH3uiJMdIncrKojIv8vZbaXzwERQZawwP7KRgFfaw8KbmvQ0X5ls0v7ezs=; X-YMail-OSG: rVsnozgVM1loOHj4Ux42jlclAFLYabQ.d_Q_qOOIh16RQRi mAQoYVrzmVWLKO3yrosUjf1vcM0cwz.5DQzFe4ciIghwpHPk8MboAdvafmV_ ODkVsMPWKQ4OZF46TF2XL_M583ce9Rr8w0CI2P.esIR83sb8zCGyPapIaJ.o MBRpi2fllOP1.z3gT9XEhCT5oFrB8RlcRPgQv7CXOMU0NUcUKuSObDOz2yUU Bfaidi1RQcasZFlmsFukc4b1FzK.lx8VV_usIhRZApyMLt4m127K_TaI4ywH DpcwpKQbPeR14vTAKvsftSaihBHTT1ErLHsH7IYaLBkU9EQk3QRfu3KZrpQW eZVCazVBduNYDdOic8B3k.irLvCsYlVQDmx9EW1lOeuJxWDfny1PKJ4DsCiw sRjFkZ1hHh6.5mTydbNWqpAUIsQUKc2ftKurnB9ldZuUH40XdSisvBxyM1nQ N_8y1Mher0QhKnERSduTHDlvSQw-- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:58:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1337011102.96641.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net iv been using Valvoline "racing" oil, right off the shelf of my local autozone. it is formulated the old way and specifically says its good for flat tappets and has ZDDP. it is 50 weight, but as i live in California's desert heat and the motor gets hot real quick, iv had no problems with the viscosity. Frank From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition On 5/14/12 5:12 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > There is a ZDDP assembly paste available, too... > Also, the pitting is a clear sign of breakdown as the matrix that is formed in > hardening breaks down from lack of ZDDP. > Pitting. That is why the cams and lifters were replaced in both of my cars year before last. I discovered high quality name brand oil is only good for roller cams. Since then I always read the label and don't buy it unless it mentions that it is formulated to protect flat lifter cams. Now I'm getting name brand oil stating "not legal for street use" which means I have to stay after those leaks to keep oil off the street.;) And I have picked up oils who's brands I hardly recognize if at all that are clearly more expensive than normal name brand stuff just because it says it has ZDDP added for flat tappet engines. My pocket book does not want to take the hit of replacing cams, lifters, + timing chain, gears & tensioner (because they wear & this is the best time to replace them) on two cars at the same time for a long time. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 11:41:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CBC2D0BE9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:41:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F64D2D0A44 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so6389797yhr.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JMRxmoZUvF1jV9M+yqVurdW9V/ociaXouzZ5lMvI+uI=; b=iIg+PqME2c2Lf2Irv9i8LwJgkEdiksiah7GpIzQdxXC9bifQenW2h5v3QyXOLoil8S jubuq4vT2HK2w+RHVJk5A+uMmRQio56ENr/TPaJ6CxLgEcMH+oimpkXEf02aMkP5U8X6 vz4J7wW6+wuwB4J3Ht1ZCS7lZIGxxX2wOhei5HdLTe/bnKFjHs38kWrrTzagcVT+Y8AG fOS25VEbBbKAP3owi4vbbsVOa7ZV+dgUyY9ji3TWdC+Bb9rAcdPKtaWSVVvz144pWbj7 rjobVIf4xKByosgbM+N5mhJ2pAwcvao6U6ynhYMY0jMG00Z5ruyR4VqIwox5RWvbXRbN +c8g== Received: by 10.60.14.162 with SMTP id q2mr115304oec.22.1337011962058; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-55-198.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.55.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm3435825oeh.10.2012.05.14.09.12.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 09:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB12EF6.4040402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:12:38 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/12 8:24 AM, Mack, Michael (Rochester) wrote: > I was planning on using 20w-50 Mobil 1 in my TR8. Then add some of the ZDDP additive that Eastwood sells. Good idea? Flawed idea? Probably cheaper that those expensive Royal Purple or Red Line oils. > > I seriously thought about your idea of pouring in your favorite brand name oil and following it up by glugging down a bottle of ZDDP additive. But the more I thought of it the more I realized that a degree in Electronics & a second one in Marine Biology did not make me an oil chemist. Not even with a minor in chemistry. I have no idea what else is in that bottle of additive and how the chemicals in the additive might interact with the chemicals blended into the engine oil to produce different physical characteristics. In my own little risk aversion way I decided that I would rather go with a single oil solution blended from the base up to work properly in my engine while protecting my cam and lifter surfaces. There are professional oil chemists that know how their additives work together. I'm not one of them and I do not know whats in the bottles and how they interact to change their physical characteristics. I learned very early on not to just mix things together in chemistry class to see what happens. And was very thankful that the instructor did not notice. Teriann 1960 Land Rover Dormobile - owned since 1978 1961 Triumph TR3 - owned since 1986 - the new car ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 11:43:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AC62D0BF8 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:43:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275A82D0A44 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9rZZ1j0091Y3wxoA5sD9Qq; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:13:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.7] ([76.127.105.211]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9sD81j0184ZgrnQ8bsD89M; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:13:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: William Pugh In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:13:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1842348A-5B20-4E2C-93D5-93C5A4AA6D10@comcast.net> References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> To: "Dave" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is this ZDDP? Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate If so it is in Redline Motor Oil  On May 14, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Dave wrote: > last time I was in a flaps, the valvoline synthetic 20w-50 racing oil had zddp > Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 11:44:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E502D0C1C for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:44:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8AB2D0A44 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so6394817yhr.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NnXPOG2UoKyyrtiNfk9GJ2mwiyvtndLClSz70jjegco=; b=Tb3cjEj7OY2tLnqSkYgZCA0pBtYMIpSo37QIxppKQNDA0485B10OFTolRcBlCClsVg 1bgzfMDsz1tyOKkRO3y6qpSofxACXML54PDFOcMsRH1LFQPRm1SQqi40hdi/9dKURpEr Ve37NIkgt4pYwFw55W2XGQktFuQCRuUPspLYllvLq4M2rkFMtyYHvS56KFJbRP350QtT C+ek4zlBAJJ3CGNuvwDMFPkJr2iTZES5OdRH9wJfrmPkt2uR3c0rF8+jyuPXACGIqHsF OjkQLYQlnTTvIgFG7rFlEl153tIG8TMwKMkKPCOcpwASfyDHr9799MxYb8AUrBZQ0Bki G76g== Received: by 10.60.14.9 with SMTP id l9mr12470915oec.17.1337012147450; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-55-198.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.55.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r4sm4704813obz.9.2012.05.14.09.15.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 09:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB12FB0.5070903@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:15:44 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/12 7:11 AM, Dave wrote: > last time I was in a flaps, the valvoline synthetic 20w-50 racing oil > had zddp > And that is what is in my engines. Even if the label states "not for street use". It does state that it is blended for flat tappet engines. Always look for that statement on any bottle of oil you buy. I get mine from NAPA. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 11:46:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9521A2D0BEE for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BA02D0AB5 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120514163616.BZKS18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:36:16 -0400 Received: from [21.26.135.241] ([68.24.131.241]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9sby1j0025Cenuk02sc6h7; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:36:16 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FB13480.00D7,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zgrfwPxMZK8qZ92ObMQftE+CrxUcpQPkHWvi4UAp5mI= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=LXIPXhtYQy1CpNSgXn17aw==:17 a=7nwmM2E9AQl2sQaNZnQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LXIPXhtYQy1CpNSgXn17aw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: Ronnie Babbitt X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <3344733B-2641-4709-8C41-9653756B6698@cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:35:40 -0400 To: Triumphs Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [TR] Where's Randall X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't heard from him in a while. Ronnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 12:31:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5BE2D0BDB for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:31:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18402D0AE9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so8155339vbb.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1swj8axZFS9MWNFqAH4Ch+QnLHdfUqGm30ujRXbtigA=; b=r2UAA2ECRYsgTt5ud3LD+b1YHALgpiiCS/ui8/XC0MNZfxn8MIWylVgPF7OtNZKSp+ AzO83AzjEIf85JYJxj+DZDBcfPgpdU7Qa2rOaXnuY9S7LBBRyx08lTWEXu19Z7+67HE3 Eh85jc0PfSV5HWGMaJuS2dIUDMtGFc44mY+/orKKPgFBiGbkawMc/S8ezQhdRa6+vcfB YG1rX0lKAuQIppfuvSW6DwkmLtvNz6md192GkJjENBVaVxXWwFj9szMaDuhSUf2L+xIz R77Ccj0dnsBqaldYWqAbnsMyL0XPRU0FJj6i6gvZq+SB655aHN9izgbeSijyYPgxsSey wQLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.70.209 with SMTP id o17mr4311090vdu.11.1337014988191; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.151.3 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1337011102.96641.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <1337011102.96641.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:03:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wcDSWuUhyQ0wSY0eKHuig1NtvIQ Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Frank Fisher X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In Susan's Spitfire race car we only use Brad Penn 20w50 oil. Lots of ZDDP and seems to hold up well. You have to special order it but I feel it's well worth the cost. Just my $0.02 Brad On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > iv been using Valvoline "racing" oil, right off the shelf of my local > autozone. > it is formulated the old way and specifically says its good for flat > tappets and has ZDDP. > it is 50 weight, but as i live in California's desert > heat and the motor gets hot real quick, iv had no problems with the > viscosity. > Frank > > From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > To: > triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] > Interesting Cam Condition > > On 5/14/12 5:12 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > > There > is a ZDDP assembly paste available, too... > > Also, the pitting is a clear sign > of breakdown as the matrix that is formed in > > hardening breaks down from lack > of ZDDP. > > > Pitting. That is why the cams and lifters were replaced in both > of my cars year before last. I discovered high quality name brand oil is > only > good for roller cams. Since then I always read the label and don't buy it > unless it mentions that it is formulated to protect flat lifter cams. Now > I'm > getting name brand oil stating "not legal for street use" which means I > have > to stay after those leaks to keep oil off the street.;) > > And I have picked up > oils who's brands I hardly recognize if at all that are clearly more > expensive > than normal name brand stuff just because it says it has ZDDP added for > flat > tappet engines. > > My pocket book does not want to take the hit of replacing > cams, lifters, + timing chain, gears & tensioner (because they wear & this > is > the best time to replace them) on two cars at the same time for a long > time. > Teriann > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/brad.kahler@141.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 12:35:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8592D0C3A for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:35:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0909D2D0A9E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:07:41 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com ([17.172.220.246]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0M4000LA8VLPQF70@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:08:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-14_04:2012-05-14,2012-05-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205140183 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0M4000HJZVLPLR40@st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com>; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:08:13 +0000 (GMT) To: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:08:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: MobileMe Mail (1J25+8525) X-Originating-IP: [15.227.185.73] Message-id: In-reply-to: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FYI, I recently switched from Valvonine VR1 20w-50 to Red Line 10w-40. I've only run 3 full tanks of gas since the switch, but I'm seeing a consistent improvement in fuel economy of over 1.5 MPG. If that is the case, I figure the oil easily pays for itself. I'm not sold on adding anything to the oil. Could be fine, but why risk it? -Darrell On May 14, 2012, at 08:24 AM, "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" wrote: I was planning on using 20w-50 Mobil 1 in my TR8. Then add some of the ZDDP additive that Eastwood sells. Good idea? Flawed idea? Probably cheaper that those expensive Royal Purple or Red Line oils. Mike Mack 80 TR8 FI DHC 79 Spitfire 70 GT6+ 72 Stag ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: darrellw360@mac.com'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw3 60@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 12:36:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217532D0C26 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:36:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb02.cogeco.net (wmsmtp2.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46482D0A9F for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:18:47 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAMM9sU/AqMjP/2dsb2JhbABEsmyBCIEHgih+BxCBSIdvmV+GS5pUjXyDJgSIMI1NhheKKYMFgToZ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,588,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="4979338" X-SBRS: None Received: from unknown (HELO cogeco.ca) ([192.168.200.207]) by wmipb02.cogeco.net with SMTP; 14 May 2012 13:19:26 -0400 From: amcewen2@cogeco.ca To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Cogeco Webmail - complaints to abuse@cogeco.ca ( 206.177.43.73 - amcewen2@cogeco.ca ) X-Originating-IP: 206.177.43.73 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:19:26 -0400 Message-id: <4fb13e9e.344.127d.31679@cogeco.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: amcewen2@cogeco.ca List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi listers, Not sure if this is a good idea or not but Im thinking of rigging my (daily driver) TR3A to tow behind an RV without a trailer or dolly (4 down in RV parlance). Obviously I cant phone up the tow bar people and get an off the shelf mounting bracket for a TR so I was looking at having one fabricated. My goal is to not reduce the ground clearance any more then is already there so Id thought of using the 4 bolts that go through the frame to hold the front bumper outriggers on. If I use the inner side of the bolt (between the frame rails) it wont change the placement of the outriggers. (I dont have a rad/sump guard to get in the way). I was thinking of a couple of 18 4-6mm flat steel sections shaped sort of like Js (or flat field hockey stick) lying on its back with a piece of say 2 box steel across the crook of the J section to act as the mounting point for the tow bar pins. That way the bar angle wont interfere with the bumper and it raises the mounting point slightly and the pulling stress will be on the steel and not the welds. Id put the mounting pins a couple of inches to the outside of the "J" to make the tow bar resemble a triangle a bit more in the hops of improving stability. Safety chains would attach behind the suspension uprights. Ive seen MGBs and even a 356 towed like this so Im probably not the first TR owner to try this, any idea what the thickness required for the J or the cross piece? Am I nuts? ;) Thanks, Art. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 12:38:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E332D0C1C for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:38:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDA62D0C08 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so5497751lbj.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=fvzeiduI+80+AVGJsTEP2onIAR2U3Fdo+pldPhGTCGE=; b=lOkTE/NXHrTHlDq0HKHNQa5Oy/TIl1b1VsVYWwsPC5soM15sztFOFLgBByPrKEPEco NtMn5P15Cvrl18e5Mc4b7mEz5x5YKfr/4YzJ63XcO4AYY6BrxEpPly5B6QeupEynHchg ni076FSjoMDqH5tv05d3MZaVmpDkGmb3DOQcElifuL2Mxmi5pRl1dPZUodhYGfmmfIXJ 8xNuSWgNPzkUIgI+jXWKlWCwUdwXrRNUgOCq6ztEBU7XbynyC9PVhVDHMI1NA2An0dJ5 YvXFwHH9dPWYfFm0shdP79MW3432/TBgIfScpqnVpImTlZPYNQAjzu5C8tra4nCUATJs XDhQ== Received: by 10.152.103.109 with SMTP id fv13mr9157890lab.33.1337017631632; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.69.166 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 10:46:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FB12EF6.4040402@gmail.com> References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4FB12EF6.4040402@gmail.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:46:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mobil has a FAQ on ZDDP and Mobil 1. http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/askmobil/ZDDP_Levels_Classic_Cars.aspx Don Saint Louis 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 5/14/12 8:24 AM, Mack, Michael (Rochester) wrote: > >> I was planning on using 20w-50 Mobil 1 in my TR8. Then add some of the >> ZDDP additive that Eastwood sells. Good idea? Flawed idea? Probably >> cheaper that those expensive Royal Purple or Red Line oils. >> >> >> I seriously thought about your idea of pouring in your favorite brand > name oil and following it up by glugging down a bottle of ZDDP additive. > > But the more I thought of it the more I realized that a degree in > Electronics & a second one in Marine Biology did not make me an oil > chemist. Not even with a minor in chemistry. I have no idea what else is > in that bottle of additive and how the chemicals in the additive might > interact with the chemicals blended into the engine oil to produce > different physical characteristics. > > In my own little risk aversion way I decided that I would rather go with a > single oil solution blended from the base up to work properly in my engine > while protecting my cam and lifter surfaces. There are professional oil > chemists that know how their additives work together. I'm not one of them > and I do not know whats in the bottles and how they interact to change > their physical characteristics. I learned very early on not to just mix > things together in chemistry class to see what happens. And was very > thankful that the instructor did not notice. > > Teriann > 1960 Land Rover Dormobile - owned since 1978 > 1961 Triumph TR3 - owned since 1986 - the new car > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/don.hiscock@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 13:36:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54762D07E6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:36:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5BC62D0A41 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 17:50:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.86] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 17:50:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 17:50:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 708489.16749.bm@omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25087 invoked from network); 14 May 2012 17:50:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=XBACeMgUI8KCnesUhWbwdY5jO7Pz2b3d316aWaQvw9EQEMkODzLYPp0R2VtsplLfR8SAiZXLOEC+V0aCpmTr9LixC0rrxxFasMxDOpuxLnMy/TxmWKh8wUBkLW2PEw6/60v9Ozy6DvutTIEQC0MnKUD2t4aYQon6ZiXMzjPboTc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337017802; bh=/aU1fUpbDMh1WMjc5fz1SH3evCxXiYldJ88Ndvi9XUk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=gfdkV4+CeMmO+SJKeYv36CSltK931UEX7h9aVsQKoom2D7CFDRUS9P8x9WMtXqHcwI0OX3SdW5el3JCNzwsUTVJijqO/qZsGl0UaEqWE4WBZ9+TpugYLwzYZb8Jkv2I/YEJAje2uCg5Vrx8kI5wMozpacrdo93bP9UqO6aFXhDA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Tp7c3CQVM1nLoReXfsNOc940M5WrTYjWBMNiUnNcmZfR7nM .nNsVvwN9R17jXpNr3iJF7ywhz05BSzUFntv4JFoahfIM_n7g.mm1EfCRPGl UYsUdhzKS3gtm4t.TK.xZy3SSvYHNC7SosigcjC2OcHoO4HiyZ6sPQI9EC1g _oN_F2zmf4sYdgdG.e_KLBWtC1t.4b0pP78CwtNvAtloiQG_vkfIlv0xFUR_ ID1WRaCXkq5EksAEWpUk2mo7G1sPuRlo.2x3kqTjnt.zv1MOb.zeqJrA1lVm 1IVErbZNLphalUb1FRav_.exLLoE7aNp6XniG.ZD3arrNfiF6xrYZHZi.vy2 BAO2EUrCt7rES3frS8B5YQWaKqM96grJeXH6Xg8d_vCmOUtOIvgbJxyUfkae .jPG7Nn1rxryEaftJDW0C9vlDovJ7bwr_q2MC0ItlhgVENGtlpTAVJpcDfOW 9p6fk_iVcpBpsODsv79n63bvSXVETK70dKDK1K0KPsGpz23W89bSeu7F5aGz _RtqFrsLYOHmUQAP445xp.3gHVzhKjEscKGtdmPg6V1MFerdHfygAsrwwcmE K X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2012 10:50:02 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave'" , References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0x6q20ae6NainFT8umh6hlMSnUbgADwQ+w Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Same here I use the VR1-20-50 conventional oil, same high ZDDP content. 3,500mi on the new engine with no problems. B Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Hello, my name is Bill and I own an old British car. Now...What are the next 11 steps?" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition last time I was in a flaps, the valvoline synthetic 20w-50 racing oil had zddp -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:20 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition On 5/14/12 5:12 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > There is a ZDDP assembly paste available, too... > Also, the pitting is a clear sign of breakdown as the matrix that is > formed in hardening breaks down from lack of ZDDP. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 13:38:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CE72D09F8 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:38:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6BA42D0AE9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 17:51:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 17:51:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 17:51:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 710243.25582.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18330 invoked from network); 14 May 2012 17:51:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=cKWDfu0524njtD7gSlUuj9ELAMl/TIdrTVmanxH5FAswlPWK6eJwkOoBQNQoLxuaasdIDdMYmcDaBbLsZdNw4mLQCU/LtpXSenMGH3yXSqDJjvf4z3HkhZxX7mE48+Y8JZ+AVLHg42+rc5loU8jsqEK6+OszHrbFrsLRxta52ak= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337017872; bh=l41yJvm4q6pREXsjc89I7FPVsbwb8pCsWz5wBRnXKiQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=SBW8mqPGbmkqc3zrY8ZoaonXHU/gdor/mEwAZh/hS+exwh5Nm23Kbm7ZZSLBvjRa1Zyzt/OOcSVu440y+z9XDqVP0jXVckRwwmQxEc/zOX/PdEDTL0RoyJjIQW8t9nh2kySxGHBJJmfYi9QQnyUPro7/bUnaBuqE9c5gAPJyd44= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gZ0xykkVM1mJezXI_esC6E.sx6SL.LMfbmpkam2HWQfr9KD O4AqXZMJlUhIioDtmBJS4to1MAdUDDor0Em2.GB3cb9YBOsQsGt6koGD.AHp 2bfBoPlPZabVX.MJ2zySxI36eLLKpcEViTkRFtA1qBh3AIrvneV5iqqY4BTz rk1HbnExeb3xQEuoGiha2cMAz1zfUGGMXWsAQ4bp2cYDiWqmJ5TYAMiOpw88 OxhdcNyW0_laDBsXZYwn.j12Yf3amh302mcZK7eR7NUyJowbILoudNxWOcSc gAvsel_xEmROxtnG3gP0oZbgrJqkDUajWzbUE7JQfBMyNBrJ7lp8pKQ6xpvY 8A1SXtLsDaqteNtVXn7xovA1fwftvtuXaw6wNUACtL7pd6obKW1w64iSQWBy F4q6MvQ7S4fTg_0GQxx39CbBd.KDoLurO.9iVAHx87HkaGMlOrNlQWDdXhku M7tIO371X8tWYg678iGAAao7M9hYoSV9GKFbyG.q3LKZxnOIMYIw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2012 10:51:11 -0700 PDT From: To: "'William Pugh'" , "'Dave'" References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <1842348A-5B20-4E2C-93D5-93C5A4AA6D10@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: <65D6C172293E439BB3CE7C61FE90BCAC@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1842348A-5B20-4E2C-93D5-93C5A4AA6D10@comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac0x+SfrR6fIcmUsTzChZwRmTOLMygAAPi2A Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Pugh Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:13 AM To: Dave Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition Is this ZDDP? Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate If so it is in Redline Motor Oil  On May 14, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Dave wrote: > last time I was in a flaps, the valvoline synthetic 20w-50 racing oil > had zddp > Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:41:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714CC2D0909 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:41:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC372D0BE5 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170015pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4000E5VZVIEZS0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:40:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 205.143.205.142 ([205.143.205.142]) by vms170015 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:40:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:40:30 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: darrellw360@mac.com, Michael.Mack@redcross.org Message-id: <14057367.290683.1337020830152.JavaMail.root@vms170015> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [205.143.205.142] Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I also had been using the ZDDP additive in my 72 TR6, but had the same concern as expressed earlier about dumping a bottle of additive in the oil and was it really doing its job. I have switched to Brad Penn myself, it is formulated with plenty of ZDDP and TRF is now stocking it. Besides the fact it has a green color, I am very happy with it after 2 years of running it. Craig ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:43:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32AB2D0907 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:43:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E4F2D0B02 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alexpc (adsl-98-70-42-222.gnv.bellsouth.net[98.70.42.222]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20120514184350H0300f51dqe>; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:43:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.70.42.222] Message-ID: <28864CA9032846B59DD7511771AB59C4@AlexPC> From: "Alex" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <4FB12FB0.5070903@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB12FB0.5070903@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:43:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] [Norton AntiSpam]Re: Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net These are some of the best articles on this subject at the link below where several studies have been made. Here are the articles. This club and the oil company have developed oil specifically for our classics. Here is an excerpt from one of the articles about Valvoline racing oils: "Valvoline Racing oil is not designed for long term use it is for short intense use and racing purposes. Classic Car Motor Oil is designed for long term use in vintage engines and is the optimal oil." price/quart (by the case) with shipping is about $6.25/quart delivered. NAPA Valvoline racing oil is $6.50/quart Here are the links as a FYI. Here are the articles: http://www.classiccarmotoroil.com/articles.html Here are the products: http://www.classiccarmotoroil.com/products.html Alex Manzo 59TR3A 72 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition > On 5/14/12 7:11 AM, Dave wrote: >> last time I was in a flaps, the valvoline synthetic 20w-50 racing oil had >> zddp >> > And that is what is in my engines. Even if the label states "not for > street use". It does state that it is blended for flat tappet engines. > Always look for that statement on any bottle of oil you buy. > > I get mine from NAPA. > > Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:46:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C6D2D093E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:46:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail7.vaxxine.com (mail7.vaxxine.com [209.159.189.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D3E2D0917 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown.vaxxine.com (ppp1209.dsl.ontario.net [209.159.184.193]) by web.vaxxine.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q4EJ2tOp416019 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: From: David Willett Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:02:50 -0400 Message-Id: <52EA9928-4770-48F3-B7D5-52DDCDF9F3AF@vaxxine.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3A Turn Indicator X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Help! The turn indicator mechanism on my steering wheel seems to have seized up and won't engage for a right hand turn; I suspect one of the little doo-hickies has got displaced. My shop manual does not show how to access the inside of the steering head. I seem to remember long ago when I assembled it somebody loaned me a VHS tape showing how to take it all apart. Or is there a website I could look at? Please don't tell me I have to disassemble the steering column! Thanks in advance. Dave David Willett willgray@vaxxine.com Ph: 905 468 0608 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:48:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EECE2D0952 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:48:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3352D08F9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:14:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail209-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.247) by CH1EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.43.70.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:22 +0000 Received: from mail209-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail209-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E0200273; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:22 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-BigFish: PS1(zzzz1202hzzz32i2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail209-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail209-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1337022921507677_16349; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.245]) by mail209-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1E81C0064; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (157.56.236.85) by CH1EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (10.43.70.9) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:20 +0000 Received: from BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.98]) by BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.83.36]) with mapi id 14.16.0152.000; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:25 +0000 From: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition Thread-Index: AQHNMdHHxutZCzHPtU2g2ikETSE1u5bJRSMAgAAhK8CAAA7RAIAAGlEAgAAXUvA= Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 19:15:23 +0000 Message-ID: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D937@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4FB12EF6.4040402@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [162.6.97.24] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: redcross.org Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What levels of Zinc and Phosphorus are in the other ZDDP oils? Data for Mobil 1 Oil: Mobil 1 15W-50 Phosphorus ppm - 1200 Zinc ppm - 1300 Boosted, higher viscosity, advanced full synthetic formula designed for performance vehicles. HT/HS applications. Racing and Flat tappet applications. Mike Mack 4 Pack of Assorted Triumphs: Tr8, Spit, Stag. GT6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 15:46:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E782D096E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:46:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe010.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D9E2D0917 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail89-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.239) by VA3EHSOBE009.bigfish.com (10.7.40.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:45 +0000 Received: from mail89-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail89-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213373C037D; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 1 X-BigFish: PS1(zzc85fhzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz32i2a8h668h839hd25h) Received: from mail89-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail89-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1337026843185997_26316; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS005.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.238]) by mail89-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A80FE0045; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (157.56.236.85) by VA3EHSMHS005.bigfish.com (10.7.99.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:42 +0000 Received: from BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.98]) by BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.83.39]) with mapi id 14.16.0152.000; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:45 +0000 From: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: ZDDP Levels in Various Oils Thread-Index: Ac0yDwg5Mno0kk/GRqKaD0E2g7AYeg== Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:45 +0000 Message-ID: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618DD6A@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-cr-hashedpuzzle: ED+V EdPF FMpT HNY+ HVe+ JhxI K3o8 OSvK O8H7 PK+J RYlO R0lu R5G/ SZVl Tvpk ULa6; 2; dAByADgAQABtAGUAcgBjAHUAcgB5AC4AbABjAHMALgBtAGkAdAAuAGUAZAB1ADsAdAByAGkAdQBtAHAAaABzAEAAYQB1AHQAbwB4AC4AdABlAGEAbQAuAG4AZQB0AA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {F637DC34-F55E-4B62-A1E4-B780F7881363}; bQBpAGMAaABhAGUAbAAuAG0AYQBjAGsAQAByAGUAZABjAHIAbwBzAHMALgBvAHIAZwA=; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:40 GMT; WgBEAEQAUAAgAEwAZQB2AGUAbABzACAAaQBuACAAVgBhAHIAaQBvAHUAcwAgAE8AaQBsAHMA x-cr-puzzleid: {F637DC34-F55E-4B62-A1E4-B780F7881363} x-originating-ip: [162.6.97.24] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: redcross.org X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" Subject: [TR] ZDDP Levels in Various Oils X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Info that I gleaned from various sources. Gathered up into one list. ZDDP Oil Levels Desired range of ZDDP is 1200-1400. Levels over that is too corrosive, for Racing engines Only. Valvoline VR1 race oil has up to 1300 PPM Castrol SYNTEC 20/50 full syn has 1200 PPM. Make sure label says "recommended for classic cars" Red Line Synthetic has 1300 PPM Brad Penn Grade 1 racing oil is a mineral oil with 1500 PPM Classic Car Motor Oil made by DA Lubricants to specs for the Indiana region of the classic Car Club of America has 1500-1600 PPM Swepco 306 20w-50 has 1400 ppm Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 15W-50 Silver Cap @ 1200 ppm Summit Racing oil has 1800 ppm. Made by Spectro Oil for Summit Mike Mack 80 TR8 FI DHC 73 Stag - w/Chevy 350 79 Spitfire 70 GT6+ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 15:48:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9FE2D08FB for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:48:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01A22D08D9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:31:19 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=vmyDAuve45YA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nxZabrgq0RUqBdsfC18A:9 a=a7gmRxWu-FtP-CJoL3AA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:30512] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 23/9B-05935-CBB61BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:31:56 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <4fb13e9e.344.127d.31679@cogeco.ca> In-Reply-To: <4fb13e9e.344.127d.31679@cogeco.ca> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <028e01cd3210$9aed4940$d0c7dbc0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yAJ7Yjjj/04x5Q5mYExFevJUQnwADfn8w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Likely you've already thought of this, but JIC: the TR gearbox will not lubricate itself properly when being towed. Short distances and low speeds are OK, but I would disconnect the driveshaft for over 40 miles or so, or freeway speeds for any distance. Personally, I think it's a bad idea. I used to flat-tow a FWD Chevy (which didn't have the lubrication problem). It towed well enough on average, but had a tendency for the front wheels to get jammed against one lock when pulling through driveways (leaving a gas station, for example). And it had positive caster, unlike a TR3A. Also, after towing it that way for a few years, I discovered that the front crossmember was broken through. I don't know if that had anything to do with the towing, but it seems suspicious to me. Combined with the hassle of disconnecting and reconnecting the driveshaft, not to mention the hassle and modifications to hook up the lights to your motorhome, a tow dolly or trailer seems like a wise investment to me. Don't know if it's still true, but Joe A. used to have a local fabricator who would make a custom TR trailer for a very reasonable price. I would have bought one myself, but don't have any place to store it (and the motorhome is gone, partially for the same reason). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 15:49:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296F72D0986 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:49:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FDD2D08F2 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wefh52 with SMTP id h52so3216860wef.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:35:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=ASMPcUSIjZnQM6aZgkXY8fbkr6zPhPBtbBSEUO+vRjE=; b=bmUXSgkpDkY9PZ1y1pSIRnMU3viuGzDAxm5qFwiHL+IOqME3i6lG1ozXpAeWK1s3iB 5vaNQT7h0AWlduZ83jkzuW/xPvSFMEm4jBL5xWEECZSUA+xxNPJ1PD8zSz7xP8UoeJHv gJylJsrmpLEvbRhlxhhnCnRjmUZoABHEdCBc4VM2jPjWtA+1MhUubY0B9Wy6UhGT4gus FNUsH7Oc4YC0ilEojCkL2hrU06ZWuJAOR6X+uO2Wmw0w5wxsZkUdJwP39VSddjikpxj6 DXsz1W3i3RhxpkhZdFikwVEcEFcbnZsoNhB3rpDG5b6B4/qcVCH+lW5QcH6vBVuH+2ZG UrTg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.80.212 with SMTP id k62mr6079657wee.18.1337027738366; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.146.137 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "dbyam tds.net" To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkxjeAtJLw5kuVwpaxtYctQpx60Z7uJ+Y0t6aJli2d3aO1JB55bZMAXZzUy41OtROWFyEuy X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Towing a TR-3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I towed my TR-4A back from FL to MI with a tow bar bolted to the Bumper Mounts. No problem. Towed my TD from MI to NJ for the Circuit of Britian and returned it to MI using the Bumper Mounts. No problem. You may want to disconnect the drive shaft for a long (500+) tow. Biggest problem is getting into and out of gas stations! I don't think it is necessary to remove the bumper mount brackets that attach to the frame and build a complex (redundant) mount. Just my two cents worth based on my experiences. Doug ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 16:49:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663672D0A11 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:49:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74B8C2D0867 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 21:28:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.253] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 21:28:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 21:28:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 169058.93500.bm@omp1045.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 31500 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2012 21:28:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337030894; bh=Vbkjlv/HksxCh/ghFLJ5pJaQcl01CIQZO7VQybsTPG0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nWNkZhnmMhIrn3+POiId0CCKAUwqODapXXpEMLHZu9kGcbUYlYlOvsbAQM8ZElz1eN3R2yxqcaRYIEZkVV6mTJZo9tLCPAFmPmsTnCUWUnRaEBsGC2zwMuauniF6EbIzRyeJlseuyiG6zrnY/NulB/Mf4wMuTnQ3//u/LrwQ1IQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p2dkGfeAxtPyHWEAnOjfXEGHVD3516u1E1FbYyfwjM9LZSbr7n7n/cvSriTTCajB0sFDC+q4bpkyu/G9TCEwhjdkueIfQEVQjjxILx18IVfYQNe2STH5XHVT6CO/Esd+gBMTkuAxjP9rrSU1iTIi5CJ6kOgNihqk8W1oqh6sMmE=; X-YMail-OSG: vlmNTnwVM1lZ7RI85i0RkGMDcM3mo9GsoS1bAUGiVgzQfgA FeelCyuSyC.yTj.UrNWNTQPLxFPcG3.P2_rN0ACvZBuyQV1lSEZ4Vp891nYW 1FtXXS1lfVX_0WGbrObKjp6nMVkyq5gru5dq4v0eDf1VfFNgyCTQIAM.tu31 IpGfC9TFg.nSvmBO4DeTtYXbKEEwpB6GjkmjT8O4ntX1r_CiRoweYb4c1bkb MQzCwswOa4bXlyFoU4zwycwpNsErSoOxsSIc8vnh8EGKwOJZM6nvQV2yngGH GkKW5Y2KLoBoUfy2RCPqBuHM3x8KAcM44NW.6MZpdK7I1Gy6JSHaYRW2HeX_ 3WLEhreuKxVX7VpbGOD_sjLNBCZbu6k.o59N8tTh0qvjPmEVq6VKTRB59kfM Eyy5KJqAfSo.jv0lfJkZnQiIcqGBJHO2gQKIdi_MRCRsZO2Z5TxV0RrPzBMt cGbtp68ZCbUKgPZgpMo4y1pqjjMcro25vMZpDebMWzXN056vmhG2WbVxqsJL o Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:28:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D272@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <4FB12EF6.4040402@gmail.com> <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D937@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1337030894.28404.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "Mack, Michael \(Rochester\)" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618D937@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mike i did not see any ZDDP in your description below Frank From: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition What levels of Zinc and Phosphorus are in the other ZDDP oils? Data for Mobil 1 Oil: Mobil 1 15W-50 Phosphorus ppm - 1200 Zinc ppm - 1300 Boosted, higher viscosity, advanced full synthetic formula designed for performance vehicles. HT/HS applications. Racing and Flat tappet applications. Mike Mack 4 Pack of Assorted Triumphs: Tr8, Spit, Stag. GT6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 16:51:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1E72D0A42 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:51:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9BE2D0867 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170128pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4100ARG7PE5S62@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:29:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.56.233.222 ([108.56.233.222]) by vznit170128 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:29:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:29:38 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: Michael.Mack@redcross.org, triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <5210508.310779.1337030978745.JavaMail.root@vznit170128> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [108.56.233.222] Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad Penn: http://www.penngrade1.com/zinc.aspx Roughly 1250 zinc and phosphorus Craig 72 Triumhp TR6 On 05/14/12, Mack, Michael (Rochester) wrote: What levels of Zinc and Phosphorus are in the other ZDDP oils? Data for Mobil 1 Oil: Mobil 1 15W-50 Phosphorus ppm - 1200 Zinc ppm - 1300 Boosted, higher viscosity, advanced full synthetic formula designed for performance vehicles. HT/HS applications. Racing and Flat tappet applications. Mike Mack 4 Pack of Assorted Triumphs: Tr8, Spit, Stag. GT6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 17:47:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C7C2D0919 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:47:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D642D08D9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lJsnfRAsAAAA:20 a=h9ynCY5RAAAA:20 a=cEB-NHDlfobcUkYQzXQA:9 a=YuWXKzZ4EHCVFjeotLwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lsp-hObwqt4A:10 a=D2OEtUG-DZwA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:32207] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4A/AC-07741-A7E71BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:51:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'David Willett'" , References: <52EA9928-4770-48F3-B7D5-52DDCDF9F3AF@vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <52EA9928-4770-48F3-B7D5-52DDCDF9F3AF@vaxxine.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <02a501cd321b$c74758e0$55d60aa0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yEsY4ovgDdFLXTGqRbIY40rk7qgABxpww Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Turn Indicator X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Or is there a website I could look at? There is a Word document you can download at http://goo.gl/j8CIs > Please don't tell me I have to disassemble the > steering column! Only a little bit. Start by pulling the column sub-harness out of its clip on the inner fender, so you can get a few inches of slack in front of the steering box (more if you have an adjustable steering column). Then undo the 3 small slotted-head set screws in the hub of the steering wheel. That should let you pull the control head away from the steering wheel, pulling the wires along with it, far enough to turn it over and see the back. If the wires don't want to slide through the tube though (mine seem to be glued in place by the pulling lubricant I used to get them there), you may have to disconnect the sub-harness from the main harness (by the driver's side horn), then remove the nut and gland at the front of the steering box. Put something underneath to catch the oil (if any) as it drips out. Then pull the entire stator tube (with the wires still inside) out through the steering wheel. Don't forget to refill the steering box after it's all back together. Personally, I like to first remove the 3 flat head screws that are accessed through the holes in the round metal plate, but the way shown in the document above will work fine too. I meant to write an article on re-assembly, but never did it. There are some photos that might help at http://goo.gl/5Td0H -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 17:49:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEA12D094E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:49:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx0a-00121c01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00121c01.pphosted.com [67.231.145.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB5F2D07AE for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0030283 [127.0.0.1]) by m0030283.ppops.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4ELsAgd028381 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:02:00 -0400 Received: from dm0226.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx0a-00121c01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 14u9jbr19g-1 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:01:59 -0400 X-Eon-Dm: dm0226 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9bfa) id dm0226.4f90dc4f.4c088a for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:01:59 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQNqwPlPsYDXzZiFEgIAAAAB,ac5f2f6d8fdcc5bf509420db4ca55f39 X-Originating-Ip: 67.235.155.250 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Robert Jones In-Reply-To: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618DD6A@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:01:57 -0500 Message-Id: <34799C25-598D-44B1-9618-708304BF5AB2@wfeca.net> References: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618DD6A@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-14_04:2012-05-14,2012-05-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=4 spamscore=4 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=1 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205140268 Subject: Re: [TR] [Wedge] ZDDP Levels in Various Oils X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While we are at it, what is the best weight to use in a TR3, TR6 & TR8 stock engine and why? Bob On May 14, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Mack, Michael (Rochester) wrote: > Info that I gleaned from various sources. Gathered up into one list. > > ZDDP Oil Levels > > Desired range of ZDDP is 1200-1400. Levels over that is too corrosive, for > Racing engines Only. > > Valvoline VR1 race oil has up to 1300 PPM > Castrol SYNTEC 20/50 full syn has 1200 PPM. Make sure label says "recommended > for classic cars" > Red Line Synthetic has 1300 PPM > Brad Penn Grade 1 racing oil is a mineral oil with 1500 PPM > Classic Car Motor Oil made by DA Lubricants to specs for the Indiana region of > the classic Car Club of America has 1500-1600 PPM > Swepco 306 20w-50 has 1400 ppm > Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 15W-50 Silver Cap @ 1200 ppm > Summit Racing oil has 1800 ppm. Made by Spectro Oil for Summit > > Mike Mack > 80 TR8 FI DHC > 73 Stag - w/Chevy 350 > 79 Spitfire > 70 GT6+ > -- > Forwarded via the TR7/8 mailing list. Please send administrative requests > to the majordomo at tr8-request@mercury.lcs.mit.edu ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 17:50:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F6F2D095C for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:50:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0D12D0927 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=A2m9iXoMRvEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=unVtgs81AAAA:20 a=bAP9F7wm_eqSZqbmHyEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=F6XwVmyDHM0A:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:32277] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E0/B6-29249-89181BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:05:13 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'*Triumphs List'" References: <4FB106B6.8020201@gmail.com> <4FB12FB0.5070903@gmail.com> <28864CA9032846B59DD7511771AB59C4@AlexPC> In-Reply-To: <28864CA9032846B59DD7511771AB59C4@AlexPC> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <02a901cd321d$a2c98a90$e85c9fb0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yEmbar7YqtajWRTiQw89I2aJHXgACXF3A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Cam Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > "Valvoline Racing oil is not designed for long term use it is for short > intense use and racing purposes. Classic Car Motor Oil is designed for > long > term use in vintage engines and is the optimal oil." No doubt written by someone with a financial interest in Classic Car Motor Oil. There are 3 different kinds of Valvoline racing oil; the two that _don't_ say "Not Street Legal" both have lots of ZDDP and the additive package for use on the street. They also exceed the API grades that our engines require. http://goo.gl/F0L4f I ran Valvoline 40W racing oil in my street TR3A for many years (back before it was called VR1) and it worked very well for me, much better than the Castrol of the time (which would thin out substantially in just a few thousand miles). The Castrol would also leave a layer of sludge in the oil pan (and rocker shaft), while the Valvoline kept the inside of the engine amazingly clean (considering its general condition otherwise). I still use Valvoline today, but I've been using their "street" full synthetic for the past 20 years or so. Picked up a couple of boxes of synthetic racing the last time it was on sale, though, so I plan to give it a try. The SynPower doesn't keep the inside of the engine quite as clean as I remember. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 17:52:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6C52D0A51 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:52:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.255]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82E062D0805 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 22:08:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337033301; bh=IQ304CQu/IDSkT5fbzs2ZEAGVz08qaw0XUer/A2njSY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:thread-index:In-Reply-To; b=HkviyYSPXWT6VvUv+wZnhd2t0dAJluP0IMixfyXsL96UoflWI7K1/YtpXXGz+ktInGeWS0p8NTcWmkIKKhKEl4DtaL5lL/MnTHzcE/t2eOBqAiC3BHEc8Ea8WlP4JZ5kDrJqYmF1EeZCT6bptqrJlKZMqaW6HTRS0codm86TAwQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 143111.11612.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dFl50awVM1mJiPSXKLzx19Uh3Qtn4YALtb3wYiw15poxDGz BlWhE8lk4fToA2VTXqLMZHR5CBHD1VeB1ZEkBBiKpvVzERd1YYWNTpYC0wbZ 7KT3notWpknquaK51FlHf6hEU1vGPfYeW4VeSuQixBZxWxrWpxS1rdqpybR. 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Pick up eight quarts to cover the next change out (alloy sump). Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mack, Michael (Rochester) Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 3:21 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [TR] ZDDP Levels in Various Oils Info that I gleaned from various sources. Gathered up into one list. ZDDP Oil Levels Desired range of ZDDP is 1200-1400. Levels over that is too corrosive, for Racing engines Only. Valvoline VR1 race oil has up to 1300 PPM Castrol SYNTEC 20/50 full syn has 1200 PPM. Make sure label says "recommended for classic cars" Red Line Synthetic has 1300 PPM Brad Penn Grade 1 racing oil is a mineral oil with 1500 PPM Classic Car Motor Oil made by DA Lubricants to specs for the Indiana region of the classic Car Club of America has 1500-1600 PPM Swepco 306 20w-50 has 1400 ppm Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 15W-50 Silver Cap @ 1200 ppm Summit Racing oil has 1800 ppm. Made by Spectro Oil for Summit Mike Mack 80 TR8 FI DHC 73 Stag - w/Chevy 350 79 Spitfire 70 GT6+ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 17:54:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C922E2D0950 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:54:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B763D2D0805 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=n1WtDL0QWBbmxCU0U1QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:32294] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 10/04-07741-68281BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:10 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Ronnie Babbitt'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <3344733B-2641-4709-8C41-9653756B6698@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <3344733B-2641-4709-8C41-9653756B6698@cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: <02aa01cd321e$306ed530$914c7f90$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0x+Zf6jCh/zohKRo21vy1K8qeNagAJIl5w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Where's Randall X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check your SPAM folder, Ronnie! -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 20:11:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E685B2D08D4 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:11:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 37D592D0742 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 00:01:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 00:01:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 00:01:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 164077.80239.bm@omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 95215 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 00:01:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=MywAbizMPV5DrrexBmy3AHwKfy+t3YneESB8jwEJlUk8qoZoiDXSk3WE74+TvdftfMCLhQh5N0cchCCdj6ENlxnUHBoPPCPaNDGpKDRDABM8ly+5emRZF27YmRd4Cz8YkrljuoEMXY1WmVb9zcToplNv/Sn/t8gf3O8Uk2MP1wA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337040101; bh=Oroa8hgp0CBzGpZQxrOg392ecBfquWMshnOROMXiB+g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ze+kxOhwozDI3DLBp7EDlrSmYD0wI3rlnan0bdXIKk/aQ0kHnAgjXWhfg5cFHjRMQR5dUGW7URlfRfCDudu7Oite1t/7jg9P46GJ022Upr4UqdTVUtnVTG+GHGQwJ6Qg/2zeWA7c3Npgt6dHYdQoRJN2iWpvt0W+Ezvx6X6kr5g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: F31WG2wVM1my3ObSEHHZ1MhV.Urripr.RM8UZfBmyqW4_qu Ke5uvGtl4utZ.4tHdP_aBGhajnH_JHn24GIYalxPk9bEUoXsMfshK.Krv5Cc aBcqaZ7VEo8TgSgURELDAuSYL_vFEPi0L7IQAgDtY0_gCQwD7v5Th442SaXH WTak1GXaF_TAgkdOUtBhk4pUbmYodJhHbnkJBrLq2pSnnxC0_Ql69QDlo4oE lC48y.YbDAVrkCoGCouNnZhkUil.36BP.kkovJD.9SDQ6Dct3TeE7AFpVvds 3FHFY4GiuqXTfg6lBcfUmMLvtpNpsXtZB0u3MRlffGCnCxxyeUBAMvCuVPVp qU_cPjxXuGaJZFfpI4X8MLlRvo7i3HBmmiZvRAQyLiXMEcMxPa9Qi6cXIJn. QAqCeNJj0X_uOjfQ6cb.7RSRzXRhditnBDrT4jhznReVEfdUWf0mygB2bW_L SOfCJh7quwO2uIYrQ.65XyW_SFjFlLD50RJdVdNfsu9aj6Gvw90OnGTg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from [10.184.61.245] (wbeech@32.148.48.163 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2012 17:01:40 -0700 PDT References: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618DD6A@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <34799C25-598D-44B1-9618-708304BF5AB2@wfeca.net> In-Reply-To: <34799C25-598D-44B1-9618-708304BF5AB2@wfeca.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Wbeech Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 19:01:42 -0500 To: Robert Jones Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] [Wedge] ZDDP Levels in Various Oils X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Factory rec for the tr3 was 30w, before multi-grade oils. I use 20-50 that pretty much covers the bases for most people in most applications. Sent from mobile Bill On May 14, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > While we are at it, what is the best weight to use in a TR3, TR6 & TR8 stock > engine and why? > > Bob > On May 14, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Mack, Michael (Rochester) wrote: > >> Info that I gleaned from various sources. Gathered up into one list. >> >> ZDDP Oil Levels >> >> Desired range of ZDDP is 1200-1400. Levels over that is too corrosive, for >> Racing engines Only. >> >> Valvoline VR1 race oil has up to 1300 PPM >> Castrol SYNTEC 20/50 full syn has 1200 PPM. Make sure label says > "recommended >> for classic cars" >> Red Line Synthetic has 1300 PPM >> Brad Penn Grade 1 racing oil is a mineral oil with 1500 PPM >> Classic Car Motor Oil made by DA Lubricants to specs for the Indiana region > of >> the classic Car Club of America has 1500-1600 PPM >> Swepco 306 20w-50 has 1400 ppm >> Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 15W-50 Silver Cap @ 1200 ppm >> Summit Racing oil has 1800 ppm. Made by Spectro Oil for Summit >> >> Mike Mack >> 80 TR8 FI DHC >> 73 Stag - w/Chevy 350 >> 79 Spitfire >> 70 GT6+ >> -- >> Forwarded via the TR7/8 mailing list. Please send administrative requests >> to the majordomo at tr8-request@mercury.lcs.mit.edu > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 20:15:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47CB2D0945 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:15:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC922D08B0 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail19-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.243) by TX2EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.9.40.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:54:57 +0000 Received: from mail19-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail19-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BFF400206 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:54:57 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 0 X-BigFish: PS0(zzc85dhzz1202hzzz2fh2a8h668h839hd25he5bh) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:207.46.4.139; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:SN2PRD0202HT019.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail19-tx2: domain of uga.edu designates 207.46.4.139 as permitted sender) client-ip=207.46.4.139; envelope-from=mathews@uga.edu; helo=SN2PRD0202HT019.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail19-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail19-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1337043293984299_1885; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS035.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.242]) by mail19-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19C01C0168 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SN2PRD0202HT019.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (207.46.4.139) by TX2EHSMHS035.bigfish.com (10.9.99.135) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:54:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (50.96.94.46) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.27.90.160) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.15.74.2; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:54:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4FB1A960.4070308@uga.edu> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:54:56 -0400 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'Triumph Mail List' X-Originating-IP: [50.96.94.46] X-OriginatorOrg: uga.edu X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Randall is SPAM? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mathews@uga.edu List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Surely not!;-) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 20:16:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9572C2D094D for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:16:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D7A2D07B6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120515010703.JGDN24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:07:03 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.139.40]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id A1731j00E0sV6Ds05173pM; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:07:03 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=1F-HOIdIGasA:10 a=vmyDAuve45YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=sB3BXsIfANGg2wjxVdtBBQ==:17 a=9OvgyfBd5n5PQ5zQNE0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=sB3BXsIfANGg2wjxVdtBBQ==:117 Message-ID: <4FB1AC37.2060703@charter.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:07:03 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <4fb13e9e.344.127d.31679@cogeco.ca> <028e01cd3210$9aed4940$d0c7dbc0$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <028e01cd3210$9aed4940$d0c7dbc0$@rr.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120514-1, 05/14/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/2012 4:31 PM, Randall wrote: > Combined with the hassle of disconnecting and reconnecting the driveshaft, Not to detract form anything else you've said (all of which I agree with), but there are companies that make a quick disconnect for the drive shaft. Looks something like the sliding member in your gearbox. A PITA, no doubt, to find or fabricate one for a TR3, but if you insist on going that route, it might be worth investigating. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 22:45:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830202D093F for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:45:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CB12D08A8 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:26:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=LPzC3YRA5k8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1D_8JGEPSc2oqBlKb8kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8E/67-05935-42DC1BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 03:27:33 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B5450618DD6A@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com><34799C25-598D-44B1-9618-708304BF5AB2@wfeca.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:27:33 -0700 Message-ID: <0b8101cd324a$ab30c040$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0yQCJlgMlR8V1+TieYXAHXoUbCBgAB7zNQ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] [Wedge] ZDDP Levels in Various Oils X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Factory rec for the tr3 was 30w, before multi-grade oils. Practical Hints (the factory owner's manual for TR3A) lists a variety of weights, from 10W to 20W40, depending on expected air temperature. Earlier editions also listed 5W, but only for use in temperatures below -10F. Evidently they realized they were selling many cars to the poles, because that line was dropped later on The TR3 version listed 40 weight, rather than 20W40, for temps over 70F. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 00:00:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61642D08D4 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:00:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from davesource.com (davesource.com [66.135.55.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD8B2D0828 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dave by davesource.com with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SU8af-0006bI-TO; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:38:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Ljung Madison To: triumphs@autox.team.net,willgray@vaxxine.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:36:43 -0700 X-Mailer: DaveMail [version 6.0] In-Reply-To: <52EA9928-4770-48F3-B7D5-52DDCDF9F3AF@vaxxine.com> References: <52EA9928-4770-48F3-B7D5-52DDCDF9F3AF@vaxxine.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 207 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My shop manual does not show how to access the inside of the steering head. Here are some photos that will help you remove it, that plus Randall's photos showing the internals of the control head should be all you need: http://triumph.Daveola.com/Album/Horn-Removal/ Dave --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Ljung Madison http://GetDave.com/ 415.341.5555 --- "Why don't we take a vote?" I suggested. ---- "No!" said David. "That's not fair because the majority will win!" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 08:49:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37972D07DE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E9A992D07FD for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 06:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16680 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 12:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.35) with ESMTP; 15 May 2012 12:47:25 -0000 Message-ID: <28BB63B60ADD416D8FE48899A09E8AEB@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: , "Spitfires" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:47:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] correct color question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net valve cover 63 tr4 valve cover 75 spitfire air cleaner 75 spitfire hood prop rod 75 spitfire thank you! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 08:51:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EDC2D093F for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:51:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD9BC2D07FA for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 07:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 13:12:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 13:12:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 13:12:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337087521; bh=PSdTfhGLegiNeM/DgearOOjTmaRmU1D+nfpMZu0JmOA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=fGRzf/opfD7puRvH2/nUzHqbDWy9t6v2fmaZtjb73vOiE9F1mNZi5oVpQQ9k2z8zybOC8hNdMjBjaXt90wbd6nri8l8GcQNvtJHjdnWBzuiarxqsYWEfXn6+a38hpIDkspRAEhNrKI/G+U7zMbMds89zZ7rA8NgIX5csDsxU7N8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 310119.1093.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: LcDT_LkVM1ndJ9Noiy.nC09QG5ZtyXGAKYVtuF6Kt33omVN J41fIjuYnyqDsK9IX5Pz6E8uBnoEYWZfbCnXhKyL8_ETYKpV5FAeqKNTfMon QI9DDMLK6.ap.MhzxC_13G5A_gO2ukRK_2BdCfz.7jKACSzQdLjaOfAtO0zJ l.YbMPc2yD7n0letMpKNjRP68lGDnELGXdPdqp6cUYkZjtTa3hVgZv_E0Uy7 d04pOeMDHBDasOdOA3LYTG2C4rSqwbYYa4N8MaUsdSg53H1HE5HpOMhz3DM0 TF5Z5ro.hhtBDP0pKXpkcU12oTqFiu.pRCZrrpfV.JJdInZmyj95UskX6_nl 5QeANILu8mHVv9f_vT9_Ml7hlbtKoWQA2Xc8UrF4YAyas0rRLTx2RgXz8Ve0 ks0bfI3G64Bkz.SSVQS4Eswv125u8sd.0nKAZa2o9zpgL3E3g21Bw5iDZJ2h DwB.BBItP8u.sj10CnrRT74wuKF12grAgxEkZ3U_EGv06cueO9XlKKDKJVQ- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 06:12:00 -0700 PDT From: To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <4FB1A960.4070308@uga.edu> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:11:54 -0500 Message-ID: <37E8D2BB0CD441508391F3D04FF81EE6@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0yQLkyVJ9p0yG8R0qgq3EuhPeS0wAWqR8g In-Reply-To: <4FB1A960.4070308@uga.edu> Subject: Re: [TR] Randall is SPAM? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net True, I never get Randall's replies to the list unless he emails me directly, always have to go to the archives for his excellent wisdom. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mathews Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:55 PM To: 'Triumph Mail List' Subject: [TR] Randall is SPAM? Surely not!;-) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 10:08:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815792D07F1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:08:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096EE2D0780 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ACzo1j0091u4NiLA3ETiHp; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:27:42 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AETi1j0153uShJ48hETifz; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:27:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: stag@digest.net Message-ID: <664092304.453415.1337092062374.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: 009f6cc248a678a743c09327f0793860.TriumphStagdotNetForum MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.180.154.189] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Where do I get Stag seat belt inertia reels? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'll tell you the story later. Right now, I need to know where to get Stag seat belt inertia reels. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 10:10:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A63B2D095C for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:10:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb02.cogeco.net (wmsmtp2.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0B42D0686 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:44:29 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUKABZrsk/AqMjP/2dsb2JhbABEjhukVYEJgQeCFQEBBE8rEQcDDQEKTxAsEx0CAodfAwYFC6ANkBOKY4ouboYABIgwjU2BEYUGhRsOhQCDBYE6GQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,595,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="4988553" X-SBRS: None Received: from unknown (HELO cogeco.ca) ([192.168.200.207]) by wmipb02.cogeco.net with SMTP; 15 May 2012 10:45:09 -0400 From: amcewen2@cogeco.ca To: John Wise X-Mailer: Cogeco Webmail - complaints to abuse@cogeco.ca ( 206.177.43.73 - amcewen2@cogeco.ca ) X-Originating-IP: 206.177.43.73 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:45:09 -0400 Message-id: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: amcewen2@cogeco.ca List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks John (and others), I sort of wondered if where the bumper attachs to the outriggers was strong enough but thought the frame would be even stronger. However the lack of lubrication to the gearbox is sort of turning me off the idea. I could disconnect the driveshaft, but then I'd have to carry a jack, jackstands, coveralls etc.. and it starts to defeat the relaxation & fun elements I was hoping for. ;) It's too bad the track is too narrow for Uhaul trailers.... Art > > A long, long time ago (1972) in a place far far away, I towed my 58 MGA from Webb AFB, Texas to Pittsburg PA when I > left the USAF to start grad school. I used a one-off rig that attached to the front bumper bolts that was designed & > built by a local welding shop bakin Big Spring, TX. Four years later I used the same rig to tow the MGA from > Pittsburgh to St Louis (first job after grad school). No problems... > > John > > On 14 May, 2012, at 1:19 PM, amcewen2@cogeco.ca wrote: > > > Hi listers, > > > > Not sure if this is a good idea or not but Im thinking of rigging my (daily > > driver) TR3A to tow behind an RV without > > a trailer or dolly (4 down in RV parlance). Obviously I cant phone up the > > tow bar people and get an off the > > shelf mounting bracket for a TR so I was looking at having one fabricated. > > > > My goal is to not reduce the ground clearance any more then is already there > > so Id thought of using the 4 bolts that > > go through the frame to hold the front bumper outriggers on. If I use the > > inner side of the bolt (between the frame > > rails) it wont change the placement of the outriggers. (I dont have a > > rad/sump guard to get in the way). > > > > I was thinking of a couple of 18 4-6mm flat steel sections shaped sort of > > like Js (or flat field hockey stick) > > lying on its back with a piece of say 2 box steel across the crook of the > > J section to act as the mounting > > point for the tow bar pins. That way the bar angle wont interfere with the > > bumper and it raises the mounting point > > slightly and the pulling stress will be on the steel and not the welds. Id > > put the mounting pins a couple of inches > > to the outside of the "J" to make the tow bar resemble a triangle a bit more > > in the hops of improving stability. > > Safety chains would attach behind the suspension uprights. > > > > Ive seen MGBs and even a 356 towed like this so Im probably not the first TR > > owner to try this, any idea what the > > thickness required for the J or the cross piece? Am I nuts? ;) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Art. > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60@gmail.com > > John A. Wise > Ormond Beach, FL > > 1960 Triumph TR3A > Commission No: TS80422L > http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ > http://www.triumphowners.com/876 > > 1977 Porsche 911S > http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 11:28:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D9D2D0A68 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:28:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E678E2D07EF for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 09:20:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=kUSHYda-BbMA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=f7-jCYMdw90EQ2uwGW8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:38718] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 50/45-29249-65472BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:20:54 +0000 Message-ID: <4FB273A9.7080305@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:18:01 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave References: <28BB63B60ADD416D8FE48899A09E8AEB@ranteer.local> In-Reply-To: <28BB63B60ADD416D8FE48899A09E8AEB@ranteer.local> Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] correct color question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Cant answer for the Spits, but the 63 TR4 is chrome plated like the TR3 but with the oil fill/breather at the rear of the cover. Bob On 05/15/2012 08:47 AM, Dave wrote: > valve cover 63 tr4 > valve cover 75 spitfire > air cleaner 75 spitfire > hood prop rod 75 spitfire > > thank you! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 11:31:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB6C2D0A9E for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AD22D0686 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 09:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so7991095yhr.14 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=B/TWpdQ9gwGxUqj/rpIIERKpeysunPLfd+oGxIRkkWY=; b=DrZOkJdVz2GBmG7V0xGalmv8K8kkW/xE7JoBSRH3koilqsvHgKy77MUv9l/+fGZaW9 IbSZ5eWGvj/GGzZhlPJ6NLdIfV1kUIzmCOfI78rbdlNuMimK44IHIz1uUnMxWo1bw4YG sl7/V0ATC4M0tbbE4kE+fcze6QB0IsMoCopXBxIiN+vmaw+CoNAxt+dyYoUKEOyLZ6h7 VFWzN6vrj8bNYZXCKMMbudOlGox+QSBPxtAqbzE4ccdt6tBOvWP8gSPr5LuwcxV2eMvc pGAg+vEjVsV/8i7UyXsdZbZR9YBNPrxfE5mspBShPR13Y7WtKV3i+y2+j3SSdMuJXPeW Tn+w== Received: by 10.236.165.71 with SMTP id d47mr12504921yhl.107.1337097052910; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([97.103.22.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r9sm34650253anl.0.2012.05.15.08.50.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 May 2012 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:50:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> To: car discussion Sports Triumph References: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> Message-Id: <6F6B6E4D-7770-4070-8953-1A5E20A9E6D4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net WHIW, that 58 MGA as my daily driver for about 8-9 years through hot summers and the cold & snow in both St Louis & Pittsburgh AFTER those tows. I had all the typical LBC problems with that little car; but the tranny I sold it with was exactly the same tranny I bought it with! Not one repair! Being an over educated professor, I know that anything mechanical can happen or not happen at anytime. But it is too good of a LBC story not to share! :-) John On 15 May, 2012, at 10:45 AM, amcewen2@cogeco.ca wrote: > Thanks John (and others), > > I sort of wondered if where the bumper attachs to the outriggers was strong enough but thought the frame would be even > stronger. > > However the lack of lubrication to the gearbox is sort of turning me off the idea. I could disconnect the driveshaft, > but then I'd have to carry a jack, jackstands, coveralls etc.. and it starts to defeat the relaxation & fun elements I > was hoping for. ;) > > It's too bad the track is too narrow for Uhaul trailers.... > > Art > > >> >> A long, long time ago (1972) in a place far far away, I towed my 58 MGA from Webb AFB, Texas to Pittsburg PA when I >> left the USAF to start grad school. I used a one-off rig that attached to the front bumper bolts that was designed & >> built by a local welding shop bakin Big Spring, TX. Four years later I used the same rig to tow the MGA from >> Pittsburgh to St Louis (first job after grad school). No problems... >> >> John >> >> On 14 May, 2012, at 1:19 PM, amcewen2@cogeco.ca wrote: >> >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> Not sure if this is a good idea or not but Im thinking of rigging my (daily >>> driver) TR3A to tow behind an RV without >>> a trailer or dolly (4 down in RV parlance). Obviously I cant phone up the >>> tow bar people and get an off the >>> shelf mounting bracket for a TR so I was looking at having one fabricated. >>> >>> My goal is to not reduce the ground clearance any more then is already there >>> so Id thought of using the 4 bolts that >>> go through the frame to hold the front bumper outriggers on. If I use the >>> inner side of the bolt (between the frame >>> rails) it wont change the placement of the outriggers. (I dont have a >>> rad/sump guard to get in the way). >>> >>> I was thinking of a couple of 18 4-6mm flat steel sections shaped sort of >>> like Js (or flat field hockey stick) >>> lying on its back with a piece of say 2 box steel across the crook of the >>> J section to act as the mounting >>> point for the tow bar pins. That way the bar angle wont interfere with the >>> bumper and it raises the mounting point >>> slightly and the pulling stress will be on the steel and not the welds. Id >>> put the mounting pins a couple of inches >>> to the outside of the "J" to make the tow bar resemble a triangle a bit more >>> in the hops of improving stability. >>> Safety chains would attach behind the suspension uprights. >>> >>> Ive seen MGBs and even a 356 towed like this so Im probably not the first TR >>> owner to try this, any idea what the >>> thickness required for the J or the cross piece? Am I nuts? ;) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Art. >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60@gmail.com >> >> John A. Wise >> Ormond Beach, FL >> >> 1960 Triumph TR3A >> Commission No: TS80422L >> http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ >> http://www.triumphowners.com/876 >> >> 1977 Porsche 911S >> http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ >> >> John A. Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 Triumph TR3A Commission No: TS80422L http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ http://www.triumphowners.com/876 1977 Porsche 911S http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 12:47:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165752D0A58 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:47:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.59]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A389C2D07C7 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 16:23:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.7] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 16:23:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 16:23:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 471341.665.bm@omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72279 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 16:23:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337098994; bh=ZD21vlNSbi1x8QEZ9T/NxyETwYTch2fJb5eAAQYJdtw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mXD+TLa0bGT+xHDOIXGJSL2F7KKHBRSi3wjIaTtvjhdGKJBvIStxBjvhdTgnLUrZcJPZOD5EajOck5+c8Nv6baTHwOCKKECLyzNCCK5bHHNej7/YX+mT8EyAGTr96DHkXbRYoGKnIIR+roXgKUtt17m7y6JIir6WxP+/zKx9a48= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1mJl3zDwVLbrcqUj5y/G4SsoHcWheZ4Pc/zqOIAgQ9wLBVm1HPotgGEdINNAH5VK4Dz8teenvzOzEvYJSukfjx2wzbVpp5q/Ax+ROYGXc8fbvEg3YExcCP5bJbnImVrUaUgJDO/TiTLBjUuH0H/wLt2tmmJjU5AsrKsoU/Z/Juw=; X-YMail-OSG: RjgZDZgVM1kiXAO9RPuPuojU9E2Nt2UFUqzzXjBJ0yNQFZS kwOpyokjYq7ThgFPUKcHjmQ8AJOstL4LczDun1ULusgvQ53XE1ZGP.wztp5S hRdFflGrLSWDgSIYGq3nnzJM5b5xmTgcjJ06i6POmHyTEYpFAn5uMLLnno7r 5PUec9B2mj.4KRAefXyjhle4jt1n3VE4jREYn40uwxFCrUGGtnXH6u4V5Icb bpMuuQu04fokZoTbAP5hzCBJqHAL6C2vmtwayluhpmbRyB.IRyhMMOLsw0Gv SaxQn52S9rnJZVLZhIt5HLrlcvdauKOZZgeGOVOG1IS9AEUHp7AeueFOX0PL LrDCeskXhRgOaxa6uIDyYI5YU59exKjAveb5WgyGQTYhZ1MrCIAp0azH2vza OTerRc7F7DfYMwopiCRSq5LH8ISDd8qZavEPBSplP4eEPzET1.BNyyfkiGva 4Ch.pybZVs5oSdWmAKZEA_maIPfqym7n9xloPWQt.O_LLln.ecIOC6gKAJXd 8GfR3aTAgyvFsY_PQeMOaa87Hb.Khi3ZOYUKD6J9tJ64ZfhihS6Lix5UjPcp km32v_ozKH8p6WhUTEntoL6tSvg-- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 09:23:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <1337098994.70313.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "amcewen2@cogeco.ca" , John Wise In-Reply-To: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Art my TR3 came home on a U-haul trailer. its just barely wide enough in the middle to get the car on. if you ask U-Haul they will tell you it does not fit. and then they wont rent it to you. so you have to mislead them a little and suggest its an MGB. OMG! but as most Americans call all British cars MG you too can feign ignorance. Frank From: "amcewen2@cogeco.ca" To: John Wise Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly Thanks John (and others), I sort of wondered if where the bumper attachs to the outriggers was strong enough but thought the frame would be even stronger. However the lack of lubrication to the gearbox is sort of turning me off the idea. I could disconnect the driveshaft, but then I'd have to carry a jack, jackstands, coveralls etc.. and it starts to defeat the relaxation & fun elements I was hoping for. ;) It's too bad the track is too narrow for Uhaul trailers.... Art > > A long, long time ago (1972) in a place far far away, I towed my 58 MGA from Webb AFB, Texas to Pittsburg PA when I > left the USAF to start grad school. I used a one-off rig that attached to the front bumper bolts that was designed & > built by a local welding shop bakin Big Spring, TX. Four years later I used the same rig to tow the MGA from > Pittsburgh to St Louis (first job after grad school). No problems... > > John > > On 14 May, 2012, at 1:19 PM, amcewen2@cogeco.ca wrote: > > > Hi listers, > > > > Not sure if this is a good idea or not but Im thinking of rigging my (daily > > driver) TR3A to tow behind an RV without > > a trailer or dolly (4 down in RV parlance). Obviously I cant phone up the > > tow bar people and get an off the > > shelf mounting bracket for a TR so I was looking at having one fabricated. > > > > My goal is to not reduce the ground clearance any more then is already there > > so Id thought of using the 4 bolts that > > go through the frame to hold the front bumper outriggers on. If I use the > > inner side of the bolt (between the frame > > rails) it wont change the placement of the outriggers. (I dont have a > > rad/sump guard to get in the way). > > > > I was thinking of a couple of 18 4-6mm flat steel sections shaped sort of > > like Js (or flat field hockey stick) > > lying on its back with a piece of say 2 box steel across the crook of the > > J section to act as the mounting > > point for the tow bar pins. That way the bar angle wont interfere with the > > bumper and it raises the mounting point > > slightly and the pulling stress will be on the steel and not the welds. Id > > put the mounting pins a couple of inches > > to the outside of the "J" to make the tow bar resemble a triangle a bit more > > in the hops of improving stability. > > Safety chains would attach behind the suspension uprights. > > > > Ive seen MGBs and even a 356 towed like this so Im probably not the first TR > > owner to try this, any idea what the > > thickness required for the J or the cross piece? Am I nuts? ;) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Art. > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60@gmail.com > > John A. Wise > Ormond Beach, FL > > 1960 Triumph TR3A > Commission No: TS80422L > http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ > http://www.triumphowners.com/876 > > 1977 Porsche 911S > http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 14:04:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482562D0AC0 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B4C2D07B4 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.12] helo=mailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SUM7B-0007dd-Fe for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:53 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SUM7A-0003xJ-TA; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:52 -0400 Received: from webmail12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.12]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id AJ4t1j0050FcvPu01J4tnh; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:53 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aoEw+FlV c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=PkfgZiYX8YAA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=DF2-bpg3AAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=QKcbPKLXAAAA:8 a=DLXO72i6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=0B3sjFgc3Qt3b5TUJUMA:9 a=DahLGeyChub00FntLUoA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=UVihmJ2eaiYA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=D5PWZKgeu7AbfmRX:21 a=196DPAhmdUFkEBVp:21 a=OTd7mDdtQPObUePB2dKGCw==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.16.12 X-EN-IMPSID: AJ4t1j0050FcvPu01J4tnh Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SUM6o-0001OB-Ql; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:30 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <664092304.453415.1337092062374.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.c omcast.net> References: <664092304.453415.1337092062374.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:04:30 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: pethier@comcast.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, stag@digest.net Subject: Re: [TR] Where do I get Stag seat belt inertia reels? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Phil, A good source for seat belts is Securon. http://www.securon.co.uk/seat_belt_harness_road_vehicles.htm Unless your looking for the original Kangoil brand, they have what you need. Greg G. Osseo, MN > I'll tell you the story later. > > Right now, I need to know where to get Stag seat belt inertia reels. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk > http://www.mnautox.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 14:06:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4382D0AB5 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:06:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4F22D0782 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=vmyDAuve45YA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=5oaPAAiHUK3iuXd2ZWIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:38982] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 03/44-16302-D4E92BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:19:58 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> In-Reply-To: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <036901cd32c7$55b35830$011a0890$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0ytWWutZSl8iT3Rz2ZPNq971QCfwAEYgOA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I sort of wondered if where the bumper attachs to the outriggers was > strong enough I tried that with my 59 TR3A, for a short (15 miles) tow at no more than 30 mph. The damage to the front apron was mild, but it was enough to convince me not to do it again! -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 14:08:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0FF2D0AEF for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:08:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from relay10.bu.edu (relay10.bu.edu [128.197.27.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B115C2D09AD for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:19:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Envelope-From: lherault@bu.edu Received: from BUSDM801RL ([155.41.214.82]) by relay10.bu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4FIJOdu014990 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:19:24 -0400 From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:19:24 -0400 Message-ID: <010601cd32c7$41b1e270$c515a750$@bu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yx0Gh+hz7nvq0RJKv4fHHdZCBLQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] '58 TR-3 hood X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone need a slightly sprung/creased hood for a TR-3? It has a small bit of rust along its front edge now. I'm willing to sell it cheap as long as it goes to a good home. It is the last bit of my first car. We're located between Boston and Providence. Pick up only please or arrange for someone to get it or pack it and ship it. $50.00 Ron L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 14:09:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C753B2D0A7B for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:09:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4B22D0A23 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=PytK8Bp5UgUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_aAskU6sYtMtBd1j_wMA:9 a=32ZPGEg6OqJ5qDQzlY8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:39081] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9B/3F-05935-45F92BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:24:21 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <4FB1A960.4070308@uga.edu> <37E8D2BB0CD441508391F3D04FF81EE6@bboffice> In-Reply-To: <37E8D2BB0CD441508391F3D04FF81EE6@bboffice> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:24:19 -0700 Message-ID: <036a01cd32c7$f260c000$d7224000$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yQLkyVJ9p0yG8R0qgq3EuhPeS0wAWqR8gAAsJ4uA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [TR] Randall is SPAM? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > True, I never get Randall's replies to the list unless he emails me > directly, always have to go to the archives for his excellent wisdom. Which is really strange, since I (almost) always see them come through back to me. Every once in awhile, though, my overzealous email client will tag them as spam. I have it set to not move them to the spam folder IF they come from Team.Net, but I still get the [SPAM] tag in the subject line. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 15:29:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FAE2D0A42 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:29:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from db3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (db3ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E62D2D09D5 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 13:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail105-db3-R.bigfish.com (10.3.81.236) by DB3EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.3.84.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:13 +0000 Received: from mail105-db3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail105-db3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2346640413 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 4 X-BigFish: PS4(zcb8kzzz1202hzzz32i2a8h668h839h944hd25h) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail105-db3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail105-db3 (MessageSwitch) id 1337108470471255_31219; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB3EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.81.238]) by mail105-db3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67009360161 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (157.56.236.85) by DB3EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (10.3.87.110) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:09 +0000 Received: from BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.98]) by BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.83.40]) with mapi id 14.16.0152.000; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:14 +0000 From: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly Thread-Index: AQHNMqlTjjj/04x5Q5mYExFevJUQn5bLCLsAgAApsGA= Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:01:13 +0000 Message-ID: <6A6C6BB6A374144385E5E3CF3864B54506190769@BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <4fb26bf5.195.3233.90@cogeco.ca> <1337098994.70313.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337098994.70313.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [162.6.97.24] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: redcross.org Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a TR3A without a trailer/dolly X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net U-Haul Trailers - I have brought all these cars home with them. Car Dolly - 79 Spitfire - Disconnected drive shaft Trailer - Aluminum 4 wheel - 70 GT6 Trailer - Steel 4 wheels - 73 Stag Tell them you are trailering a 1990 Honda Civic. If they can not find your Triumph in their computer they get all flustered, and it slows things down. They never see you car anyway. The Gt6 probably has the narrowed distance between the tires, and it will fit on all their tralers/dolleys. Mike Mack ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0852D093F for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:50:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319422D0A6A for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so11485447dak.14 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 13:12:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=++HSr87//ENZZ/EV76j7UFw//An4gMzDG38Lxh9B0ZU=; b=CBnxHS8SZTUJw+AtB6DiEFXR5ytRltgbEFZU/ORtmQNMwNkmTA1rQ1uLsCA8H1TAtF kop6JJK2XyIgTBGTgPK/j0wLsJfCamCKd/6tb6TRFEsIogJ4ZNbc79O9MdyVy15COCk5 IcTmA0x504MUl8u+ZJE842QCQlIiEy8V/dSQBOMOCHr+WkI4/hmRI4ldXOR6zLS3B2ZV PbdeGrreZDgYEi58xQutGm0aSChRx/8gue6tavQ1nOSFAHjV31cdi2NvYPQ29YEi0dG9 AqzOE3uGAOuODyEgtu/VwDscFF2JpF23b+651WIrzmqTm8fUcHqZXtj7J5unbSBsKVvl bmCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.89.227 with SMTP id br3mr7164162igb.47.1337112774112; Tue, 15 May 2012 13:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.53.199 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 13:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:53:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3E72D0A9E for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:53:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE92D0952 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:36:48 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1337114249; x=1337719049; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=IbWnd7yoXhPFUHZKs8OF+5CgkdXq0WqlXUDV1oxdeSM=; b=H+u gcmmjdcZD0SJPhKTjWtW42iKwXsYbYHSlX2QZM84X+LLGHhSkXz/F29IXFC8zX7c MhFLQ/pFqXeNxZUYHGw6DgIiPoE9zehl+mzqgLVQuKGtoA7G8Rzqm2vdYc6PWQBw WoUBEQbZaCAQPiG+KkkWi27FydiwvZBSLkDHFK08= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=gsCQCjssJxDGbrx8Txlhbd2hNrTzdOivZng4Qgejz6nBOC9Jv3FUfno8Qe13 aOz9S6d5y0FH6wq8Hr8iGwMR0pvJIQ1T5Jxm07LnqlCI4bITnMKbiLS3Q gpOak01cPwpRxAH+sRyvZLqSZJeFnqOXWkkr6QeuBwWbZaG+1JEYaw=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Tue, 15 May 2012 16:37:29 -0400 Received: from mhooper.digiscreen-mtl.ca by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 51-md50000110087.msg for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:37:28 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Tue, 15 May 2012 16:37:28 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120515:md50000110087::Vs6pPw6QspWzDn+5:00002X0G X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:39:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" In-Reply-To: <28864CA9032846B59DD7511771AB59C4@AlexPC> Message-ID: Organization: IndieFilmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm planning to put a solenoid fuel shut-off valve in my TR6's fuel line. I keep getting fuel draining into the sump, despite having a filter in the fuel line and 3 recently rebuilt carbs. I found an interesting site: www.altfuel.com which has quite a selection of valves. I have a question about the specs which are as follows: Part number 7008A-12V-O is a pilot operated 12 volt electrically operated fuel shut off. This is a U.L. listed valve for LPG and gasoline. The 7008 series valves are 1800 inlet to outlet with 1/4 NPT threads. This valve is assembled and 100% tested at Alternative Fuel Systems, Inc. It has been the standard in LPG fuel systems for over 30 years for its reliability and durability Voltage: 12 VDC Watts: 6 Amperage: .5 Max. Pressure: 312 P.S.I. Orifice: 1/4" Max. Ambient Temp.: 1400 F Max. Fluid Temp.: 770 F Lead Termination: None Certification: U.L. (MH8621) Isn't the maximum fuel temperature of 77 degrees F rather low? I mean the gas in any tank in Arizona must get a lot hotter than that on a daily basis. And most under-car fuel tanks sitting in parking lots in the summer must be over 80 degrees. For sure, on the TR6 the valve will be under the car so will likely get quite warm until the fuel starts flowing from the tank. However, all the fuel valves seem to have the same limit. Am I misunderstanding something, or is this just the wrong type of equipment? Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 18:19:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1070C2D094E for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:19:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.presby.edu (mail.presby.edu [192.188.108.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC482D077F for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.84.113.202] (account mtgaines@mail.presby.edu HELO PC-022-013.presby.edu) by mail.presby.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 92930076 for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:55:27 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:00:00 -0400 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tim Gaines Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I thought I was leaving for a nice drive of about 150 miles in the TR6 a few days ago, but I didn't get farther than the gas station before some nasty noises turned me right around. When taking off from a stop I get a crunching sound plus a "zzzup" thrown in once in a while. My first thought was that I had a stone or two from my newly graveled driveway sitting on top of the drive shaft. But I also thought it could be the tranny or the differential, and I didn't want to take any chances out on the road. I got home okay. In fact, the car ran smoothly once up to speed. It only made the sounds at takeoff. I got it up on jackstands and couldn't find any evidence of stones or loose flange bolts at either end of the drive shaft or at the rear axles. I also couldn't reproduce the sounds with the wheels off the ground, either with the rear wheels under power or by turning the front ones by hand. I also couldn't feel or hear anything when I turned the rear wheels by hand or the drive shaft with a wrench on the flange bolts. When I got the car on the ground and found that it still made the sounds (no lucky fix!), I started thinking it might be a disc brake pad issue. It seemed like the sounds were coming from the front. Today I replaced the pads and the nasty looking anti squeal shims. In the process I rotated the rotors with and without pads in place and got no noises. However, I did get something like the "zzzup" noise when I deflected the rotor guard into the rotor while turning it. After everything was back together I made sure that the guard wasn't touching the rotor before getting the car back on the ground. Just took a drive up the road, and nothing has changed; crunchy noises and "zzzups" at takeoff, forward and backward, but fine after it's up to speed. I think I can feel a little something through the shifter when the noises occur, but I'm not really positive about that. I also think that the noises stop when I disengage the clutch, but by the time I reach speed enough for that, the noises are usually gone anyway. So folks, what am I up against? Does a transmission make those kinds of noises when it's failing? Is there something else I should be looking at? Thanks for any help you can offer. Tim 1974 TR6 1980 Spitfire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 18:22:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124D32D07AE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:22:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4A5B2D0817 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.167] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 22:53:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 926319.81094.bm@omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 50565 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 22:53:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337122424; bh=CB5AFP6ISN8fs22cNOYlJqAw2NWr5ZmHQBNEm9GhBlA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zhtVWuXIuIqRHXgKAAYgzSNx8rOPnkRRn7X7ndqDRaqga/JibhbX8kqOBG9lDlZ01jhp1PVXcE3pO26joR6Zykxc2Qh/DaJ6xR6LgHKUyxCvWTlyureQXejvdAlI7Cz/p/t7LXSm82XcleP81uh8hzQ+zO0rVY9/YcdTammy8gI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=43KqcngPK9AUNZ3q+B2qJxEWeO8OOdbTh7L/XV51CJEmcjD7vcLtf9EKPxX/6T/fHu/j6rQqpwuePOnXfTYUbQ2MBq6SMCdu9in3e2kRBVeYh/GHPVW5P8zFWbDVHhGOnTDcwU4OZC27rg8uYRK8Kk+768laJChFgyPj8vGPzPU=; X-YMail-OSG: VWC65osVM1kNI077sITDRDtup4_sFZtOytqWD8JQmYaoOQG n60ICMzRJ93pUcKuILExhILmQD7G.v1mzquiZH7xbrkqZdWwgqi50h0losHv ZGloOu.TuPBPw8V9f81ZVSyXe1M15D982slXjVsdY._BjAOz8EZayyl_nz0E yftUauYFuJ_vlmJZ6PMrO3WF9HntM5CFdhFjOURZhlLEGjaQ7n822NqP1kep gglilNLeY_BC5ujU1qcCcGB1B07VqYoUlb9AgrpDXaeCvAJXO2iyjtWeAOME UhWkDbiW2cbOANf2tg0Ha9TRVrcZyl4UDF7hubHiXnBya0XjBvViMqNHAPQz bk2qc0kr4BAbdop2jX0LCGWNnNMBg7ziG84vSNsWDy5MordKzENZLsATAtYF Ufw8b2RwfJZEK7dbDCQoSH.MEy68TbSYiOFU.6DkkG199nsPbjYt6zZHfbjT yrYFYierxcwBlURkalFw_24LIQJ8lTxz1bdjRAxqHNyRK6homzGUhymx7JQF 5KOYKiwCC.Qn4L2G4JlmLQgj7D1gGZObLc_swCsGf89ZSptUvrTc- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:53:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1337122424.15677.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Sujit Roy , Triumphs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i think your about 2 years past due Frank From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:38:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B69C2D0695 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:38:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail7.vaxxine.com (mail7.vaxxine.com [209.159.189.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18F02D080C for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown.vaxxine.com (ppp1209.dsl.ontario.net [209.159.184.193]) by web.vaxxine.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q4FNLQWJ203181 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:21:28 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: From: David Willett Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:21:22 -0400 Message-Id: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3A Turn Signals: The Saga Continues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you to everybody for your advice regarding getting access to and disassembling the steering wheel control head. Everything has gone fine so far and I have the thing in pieces, having taken photographs en route, However I need some advice about the operation of the mechanism which is supposed to cancel the turn signal once the steering wheel has been returned to the straight ahead position. I find it difficult to discern the function of the various components and why they didn't work. Dave David Willett willgray@vaxxine.com Ph: 905 468 0608 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:41:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058E22D07CE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:41:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC312D0773 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:40:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ae7jbGUt c=1 sm=0 a=Vs2vUJPUPhhbZJFie+iqhw==:17 a=NU5nruglRTsA:10 a=S1CvkExDFjcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_2vfWXnfAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=oK9A6DarXQkt32k570wA:9 a=oZHA5UH2JRrDcL0rdSoA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5mrclwhhXz8A:10 a=nAe1T1EFY5wA:10 a=gRhGp7LnpAQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Lf8e_UyQxxsA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Vs2vUJPUPhhbZJFie+iqhw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.95.31.112 Received: from [76.95.31.112] ([76.95.31.112:1129] helo=paulal73q2sjay) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D4/B5-11677-A99E2BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 23:41:15 +0000 Message-ID: <01CE068363054B59A1216C37901917B9@paulal73q2sjay> From: "Paul Willoughby" To: "Triumphs" References: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:41:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm also interested in the list's collective wisdom on this topic. I've got 4 old cars that never get driven. Last time I changed the TR4 oil was in March 2009. It's still a nice light brown color with about 500 miles on it. paulw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sujit Roy" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/paulwillou@socal.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:43:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5122D0B09 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:43:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA3F2D07EE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:56:45 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1337126246; x=1337731046; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:cc:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Reply-To; bh=1F0iMS+HXJ21 YCeNFpM1yJPY0LrEHmrJUlj5tBHL0l4=; b=FR31noy9IMDa9P9fkvdbrwPINZdd 6Mffx2MjSqpfbjwpPdKGucl82dB3VEn1G945PkvIVMOsjb1UAZ5vYC85rlWbrKi0 9U9s7/M98cd1t/qJVF35RhNTublZp+dw7lYsELLHRPLtiFqzQHJIY3OVFALuGubv udt3qj0iTHDRcSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=S9UU+ULlrjJ6EHIZ8dc/vZKLBZoqMCRJQWJ/0uJKpRz2+ZSWRbd9dR/ONMhE Aj5Tl17mmbGuTQYP8v9SvJfNRKi4qJ0V5WbJSavmiFshNeGRhzZA8CNwF JtxShBgQN6M7GPjpouIfdH4LVxxgDMMChJfdBaSc4flVIV/wEkEqx0=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Tue, 15 May 2012 19:57:26 -0400 Received: from mhooper.digiscreen-mtl.ca by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 14-md50000110411.msg for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:57:26 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Tue, 15 May 2012 19:57:26 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120515:md50000110411::r2v3b3m+ntPrNzUE:00000s3n X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:59:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triosan@gmail.com'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: IndieFilmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Chuck: I stared at your e-mail for a moment, thinking I must be a complete idiot. However, I see the problem; it seems that the little o for degrees in my note turned into a 0 in the triumph e-mail. I.e. the web site says Max. Ambient Temp.: 140 (little o) degrees F, not 1400 degrees. That would be a little hot I checked the web site again and it definitely shows 77 degrees F, not 770 as somehow came through. I think the Triumph email list just eliminated the formatting and revealed that the site is just using a 0 with superscript turned on. Thanks for noticing though. Cheers, Mark From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan@gmail.com] Sent: May 15, 2012 7:46 PM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question your stats say 770 degrees, not 77! On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Mark Hooper wrote: I'm planning to put a solenoid fuel shut-off valve in my TR6's fuel line. I keep getting fuel draining into the sump, despite having a filter in the fuel line and 3 recently rebuilt carbs. I found an interesting site: www.altfuel.com which has quite a selection of valves. I have a question about the specs which are as follows: Part number 7008A-12V-O is a pilot operated 12 volt electrically operated fuel shut off. This is a U.L. listed valve for LPG and gasoline. The 7008 series valves are 1800 inlet to outlet with 1/4 NPT threads. This valve is assembled and 100% tested at Alternative Fuel Systems, Inc. It has been the standard in LPG fuel systems for over 30 years for its reliability and durability Voltage: 12 VDC Watts: 6 Amperage: .5 Max. Pressure: 312 P.S.I. Orifice: 1/4" Max. Ambient Temp.: 140 F Max. Fluid Temp.: 77 F (--- fixed text) Lead Termination: None Certification: U.L. (MH8621) Isn't the maximum fuel temperature of 77 degrees F rather low? I mean the gas in any tank in Arizona must get a lot hotter than that on a daily basis. And most under-car fuel tanks sitting in parking lots in the summer must be over 80 degrees. For sure, on the TR6 the valve will be under the car so will likely get quite warm until the fuel starts flowing from the tank. However, all the fuel valves seem to have the same limit. Am I misunderstanding something, or is this just the wrong type of equipment? Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 19:46:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB612D0AD9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:46:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 893962D0829 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 00:01:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 00:01:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 00:01:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 865506.37014.bm@omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 9692 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 00:01:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=xyRzNq0hcl+oVNJf2Sr+IqdDQSCNY1Z0Ik1SprSdKmmwavai/nRXxR3ye+7FHSBXCat8B8ab9Me48QTPd6QAi+dfnRcbfM03czd3dv8lkAaRhik8iEVd3+KlO0SA7gLae6FsvK3cag5+ygy6wNZuHmpUW5mrvu8pkgtyQWrwF50= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337126518; bh=ztuM7HqlPqiCkF+VHu4chu22jA6wGU5wuf6V5t8BXQs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=q7ACiqIYdL4eNIAwHppetvkyH25+tyqPdy42wdnrcq0oh0oyhdnjKJ3wsWtFiPV3ggk+ovJZGaYQb8tW1YYfCVaWQ0EgzTZk5KPugs0/3jceJkaZ4nWyJEm/5c/QySgA0Bx/E5eJeKQfIkMBoZ+sYgCG/XwdxSkDqRnep28YATU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: w7NZgm4VM1lbkC1K8re4fBqUGzsW_3dAK3nZO2gmOwpv5WU ObX13jN7ed8vgJVdM.mcqF_sKJY5r5g3bYqVPygpUqkiFd.EblunRphwyZMn aAqtmkrCGkfbvsODZVeRkuWMxFcsz6Kc_E1n9rQy2_LyEQblmd95V_JXAk53 zDB0g4iI709BJD_YGBJi3DB60x9GqsuxdncL8a9c_9_jOWkwrymJCr9_5msF YusxNym7u09PcVkRQJJcOdQfsnWONPXTjVPY6laLNBGF_UI07mLcpzKB2FT6 GCPr89hrQYLahL15tZ9zFzu6aWod0VpEo6A5F2SAgj4tZVVxcfne7D3joJIF CaWipdjEYb0F1WzvGdBUzPp92Uvq1UeCs_SaOaRvosH0xWosjcux0.XZplXD TL69x.c3LpciWk8bcPZyGIryVN0VQHRwFCrYxnf9k1V4z8QZ6Ze92aJVT6em ipxqzV1zrCz_aNY7cjkDxdKCGv9KZaYS2jd1QWcGyIdgkO8tVUMRBsObX0Xs ciW3MMfw5MU8YK8uTCxJMBKjBi3JE6oU.0ALRBzRmWYfEojBTapPFMGDzlAV PKEbkadYRBu87liiWhRPZGc3xMqHuzMQ6ZccNG4JUOkp5jKBU8Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 17:01:58 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:02:03 -0500 Message-ID: <9B4F0609EFBF4B96ABAABFE95B825005@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0y7T+kzGJEg8fxQQyRlBbrG5JNPQACCNtw Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sujit, Get that Stag out on the road and let run, really. Not good to just make short trips where you never get the car, any car, up to full operating temps for an extended period. Dampness collects via condensation in both the block and the exhaust system that can cause premature failures. Getting everything good an hot for a while, even 20-30 minutes at full operating temp can help to keep this burned off. Oil breaks down via contamination that comes from use, I have always felt that if I run the car up the road, maybe to a cafi 30 miles away for coffee or a sandwich I am doing it justice. I change my newer Detroitmobiles on the 5k, but the LBC gets it every 3k, even if it takes two years to get there. I know there will be those on the list that will say annually, regardless of mileage, but I have not signed up for the logic that dictates it. Meanwhile, go for a nice long drive this weekend and at least once a month. The opinions expressed are my own, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Hello, my name is Bill and I own an old British car. Now...What are the next 11 steps?" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:13 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 21:09:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02922D07AE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:09:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC672D0817 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AQfG1j0010x6nqcA4Qg7ze; Wed, 16 May 2012 00:40:07 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AQg61j00M0GAcNo8YQg6Wk; Wed, 16 May 2012 00:40:06 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Tim Gaines'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:40:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01cd32fc$74437de0$5cca79a0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0y+af5xkC+E62JRf6PeALDK1yz1gAAqEGQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, Do you happen to have wire wheels? Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:00 PM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? I thought I was leaving for a nice drive of about 150 miles in the TR6 a few days ago, but I didn't get farther than the gas station before some nasty noises turned me right around. When taking off from a stop I get a crunching sound plus a "zzzup" thrown in once in a while. My first thought was that I had a stone or two from my newly graveled driveway sitting on top of the drive shaft. But I also thought it could be the tranny or the differential, and I didn't want to take any chances out on the road. I got home okay. In fact, the car ran smoothly once up to speed. It only made the sounds at takeoff. I got it up on jackstands and couldn't find any evidence of stones or loose flange bolts at either end of the drive shaft or at the rear axles. I also couldn't reproduce the sounds with the wheels off the ground, either with the rear wheels under power or by turning the front ones by hand. I also couldn't feel or hear anything when I turned the rear wheels by hand or the drive shaft with a wrench on the flange bolts. When I got the car on the ground and found that it still made the sounds (no lucky fix!), I started thinking it might be a disc brake pad issue. It seemed like the sounds were coming from the front. Today I replaced the pads and the nasty looking anti squeal shims. In the process I rotated the rotors with and without pads in place and got no noises. However, I did get something like the "zzzup" noise when I deflected the rotor guard into the rotor while turning it. After everything was back together I made sure that the guard wasn't touching the rotor before getting the car back on the ground. Just took a drive up the road, and nothing has changed; crunchy noises and "zzzups" at takeoff, forward and backward, but fine after it's up to speed. I think I can feel a little something through the shifter when the noises occur, but I'm not really positive about that. I also think that the noises stop when I disengage the clutch, but by the time I reach speed enough for that, the noises are usually gone anyway. So folks, what am I up against? Does a transmission make those kinds of noises when it's failing? Is there something else I should be looking at? Thanks for any help you can offer. Tim 1974 TR6 1980 Spitfire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 21:11:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFBF2D0A88 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:11:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629982D07F9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120516005443.FIQR12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11>; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:43 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id AQug1j00A2TnnaX05QujNx; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:43 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=S1CvkExDFjcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_2vfWXnfAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=NRToKnqaOTLNx_g8IisA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5mrclwhhXz8A:10 a=nAe1T1EFY5wA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Lf8e_UyQxxsA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=VntowDpfw29EvZ8Y:21 a=xje9C62Xrix_TUP7:21 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01cd32fe$797316c0$6c594440$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK9eb1PcyOTtECHuaRuN5DNprEhw5TrCC/A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Change it! Short trips are the worst. Any combustion produces water vapor which will then condense. The result is bad oil contamination. Figure on an oil/filter change once per year regardless of miles. The cost is less than two cases of cheap beer. Engines in the cold climates have an even more difficult life. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:13 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 21:12:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5A72D08D1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:12:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E49C2D07EE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=S1CvkExDFjcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=wnB6zfivlxsm7i8xYKUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:55732] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B2/41-05935-13CF2BF4; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:00:34 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: <03d701cd32ff$4c5e7340$e51b59c0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0y7TazOEbbxw5LSJ6tuDflar9eOwAEV/ag Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My opinion, change it every year if the engine has even been started (0 miles). Whenever the engine is started, some of the combustion gases leak past the rings, carrying along water and the makings for "acid rain". If the engine is driven enough to get the oil good and hot, then it boils off the water and acid. Otherwise, the additives in the oil must deal with it. The additives don't last forever. I have seen several engines badly gunked up by taking only short trips, and only changing the oil every 3000 miles. 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X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How's the clutch feel? Maybe some contamination? Sent from mobile Bill On May 15, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Tim Gaines wrote: > I thought I was leaving for a nice drive of about 150 miles in the TR6 a few days ago, but I didn't get farther than the gas station before some nasty noises turned me right around. When taking off from a stop I get a crunching sound plus a "zzzup" thrown in once in a while. My first thought was that I had a stone or two from my newly graveled driveway sitting on top of the drive shaft. But I also thought it could be the tranny or the differential, and I didn't want to take any chances out on the road. I got home okay. In fact, the car ran smoothly once up to speed. It only made the sounds at takeoff. I got it up on jackstands and couldn't find any evidence of stones or loose flange bolts at either end of the drive shaft or at the rear axles. I also couldn't reproduce the sounds with the wheels off the ground, either with the rear wheels under power or by turning the front ones by hand. I also couldn't feel or hear anything when I turned the rear wheels by hand or the drive shaft with a wrench on the flange bolts. > > When I got the car on the ground and found that it still made the sounds (no lucky fix!), I started thinking it might be a disc brake pad issue. It seemed like the sounds were coming from the front. Today I replaced the pads and the nasty looking anti squeal shims. In the process I rotated the rotors with and without pads in place and got no noises. However, I did get something like the "zzzup" noise when I deflected the rotor guard into the rotor while turning it. After everything was back together I made sure that the guard wasn't touching the rotor before getting the car back on the ground. Just took a drive up the road, and nothing has changed; crunchy noises and "zzzups" at takeoff, forward and backward, but fine after it's up to speed. I think I can feel a little something through the shifter when the noises occur, but I'm not really positive about that. I also think that the noises stop when I disengage the clutch, but by the time I reach speed enough for that, the noises are usually gone anyway. > > So folks, what am I up against? Does a transmission make those kinds of noises when it's failing? Is there something else I should be looking at? Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Tim > 1974 TR6 > 1980 Spitfire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 21:15:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF562D0811 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:15:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915672D0817 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=at-mnVmf13YA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3JEjgxBgwuntpxoi9aoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:55750] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 93/37-07741-5CCF2BF4; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:03:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim Gaines'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: <03d801cd32ff$a47dce90$ed796bb0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0y+auMI3NWcxPUTWSAj3QPVbZG1gABcizw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any chance you have wire wheels? Your "zzzup" sounds much like the sound I got when the splines slipped, which might only happen when leaving from a stop. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 21:17:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26092D07EE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:17:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8EE2D07F9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=scz01plCM9cA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qOhSSMEnAAAA:20 a=iKkAFJ0xm1Q7O2NmtDQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AZu5UpdsNYYA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:55806] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 43/12-05935-88FF2BF4; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:14:48 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <28864CA9032846B59DD7511771AB59C4@AlexPC> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <03df01cd3301$49a5d100$dcf17300$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0y7arupV8gDoJgQUCfap3dbwLOTgAEqYsQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I keep getting fuel draining into the sump, despite having a filter in > the fuel > line and 3 recently rebuilt carbs. Are you sure it's coming through the carbs? Sounds like a bad fuel pump diaphragm to me. > Part number 7008A-12V-O is a pilot operated You don't want a piloted valve anyway. They rely on the pressure of the (fuel in this case) to operate the valve and have some minimum pressure drop. You need a direct acting valve. Here's one that looks suitable, rated for 170F fuel: http://goo.gl/4qoH8 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 21:19:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BF82D0808 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:19:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.truedefense.com (mail05.truedefense.com [216.69.224.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C196E2D050A for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otnoex1.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.3]) by mail05.truedefense.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4G1kFcr005352; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JPayne@ThorCon.net) Received: from otnoex0.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.4]) by otnoex1.onthenetoffice.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 15 May 2012 18:46:15 -0700 Received: from EX1HTS01.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.31]) by otnoex0.onthenetoffice.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 15 May 2012 18:46:15 -0700 Received: from EX1HTS02.onthenetoffice.com (172.16.8.32) by ex1hts01.onthenetoffice.com (172.16.8.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.247.3; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:46:14 -0700 Received: from EX1MBX02.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::b167:5059:d88d:f8f5]) by ex1hts02.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::3d16:45b2:983f:f8d%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:46:15 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Paul Willoughby'" , "'Triumphs'" Thread-Topic: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Thread-Index: AQHNMu0yA8KhZum7Zky2Pf+QUC4uU5bLpHLtgAAA4eA= Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 01:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: <5891B364A7C3594B9466304B59E65B1C1A97D57A@ex1mbx02.onthenetoffice.com> References: <01CE068363054B59A1216C37901917B9@paulal73q2sjay> In-Reply-To: <01CE068363054B59A1216C37901917B9@paulal73q2sjay> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [172.16.12.67] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2012 01:46:15.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADFF3890:01CD3305] Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Would have thought it would have all leaked out by now.................................... Jonas Payne PBR Cell: (702) 358-5084 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Willoughby Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:41 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC I'm also interested in the list's collective wisdom on this topic. I've got 4 old cars that never get driven. Last time I changed the TR4 oil was in March 2009. It's still a nice light brown color with about 500 miles on it. paulw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sujit Roy" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/paulwillou@socal.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpayne@thorcon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:46:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E822D077B for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:46:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05EA2D093C for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ARtX1j0040QuhwU51SCNjF; Wed, 16 May 2012 02:12:22 +0000 Received: from [10.236.39.30] ([174.253.66.197]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ASC91j00t4FMm4W3NSCDQ0; Wed, 16 May 2012 02:12:20 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?UGF1bCBXaWxsb3VnaGJ5?=" ,"Triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 21:12:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?who_often_should_I_change_oil_in_a_a_less_frequent?= =?utf-8?q?ly_used_LBC?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120516044615.88E822D077B@autox.team.net> I usually change The Nail Bag's oil every 6-8 years. Filter on the second or third change. Last time, the filter came out with the oil, so it was a double. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Paul Willoughby" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Date: Tue, May 15, 2012 18:41 I'm also interested in the list's collective wisdom on this topic. I've got 4 old cars that never get driven. Last time I changed the TR4 oil was in March 2009. It's still a nice light brown color with about 500 miles on it. paulw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sujit Roy" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/paulwillou@socal.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:49:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557AC2D077E for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:49:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BAE2D07FF for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=sb6CjOpjXdMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=BxBModjjAAAA:20 a=nTBR72BBAAAA:20 a=EHWOT9U1AAAA:20 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=CL16KPGbxONtrZWDse8A:9 a=LQwkGxELlzj95Zu7bFMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=sbmju-CKXQcA:10 a=mI9dXlU4WjMA:10 a=4yAHNiQfrZgA:10 a=c48_ljpCzAMA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:56019] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 95/49-16302-3B413BF4; Wed, 16 May 2012 02:45:07 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'David Willett'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01cd330d$e72e6020$b58b2060$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0zBL5YopZxI8ugRHSv5rFADm8m2QAA+tzg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Turn Signals: The Saga Continues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ahem. Here is a close-up of the switch mechanism. http://goo.gl/p9Ad0 The piece sticking out at about the 11:00 position is where the turn signal lever attaches, and it is shown in the "left turn" position. It's not actually in the photo, but there should be a brass piece wrapped around underneath it, so it is making contact with the center contact (the flat copper plate visible just to the right of the lever) and the left contact (the dark rounded surface peeking out from under the left side). You can see the missing piece (and its spring) to the left in this shot http://goo.gl/Vt79b The center contact is connected to the flasher on the fire wall, while the left contact connects to the left turn lamps. So the switch is passing current to the lamps from the flasher. Also note the compressed spring, between about 10:00 and 11:00. It is trying to return the lever to center. At about the 5:00 position, you can see the spring loaded roller that is keeping the lever from returning. Below it is a hinged pushrod that you can see sticking out beyond the surface of the body. (The pushrod is actually installed the wrong way, operator error. Please pretend that the slanted part slants the other way. Someday, maybe, I'll take another photo and replace that one.) Not shown is the cancellation ring, which turns with the steering wheel (while the switch body is held stationary by the stator tube). But hopefully you can imagine the ramp built into the ring. If not, the ring is near the upper right in this shot http://goo.gl/pki3G Hopefully if you zoom in, you can see the ramp on the LH side as shown. When the ramp goes by from left to right (ie when the steering wheel is turning to the left), the pushrod bends at the hinge and does not dislodge the roller. But when the ramp goes by the other way (wheel turning back to the right), the pushrod straightens out (there is a spring inside) and jams against the ramp, which then pushes it upwards. That dislodges the roller from the notch, allowing the spring in the upper LH corner to push the lever back to center. Unfortunately it doesn't work very well without the cover piece to hold things in place. One critical and perhaps not obvious bit: the cancellation ring needs to be in the correct position relative to the steering wheel, which in turn needs to be centered when the wheels are straight ahead. Since the steering ratio is so high, you rarely turn the wheel through a full revolution, and the ramp has to be positioned where it will press against the ramps with the small amount of movement involved. To achieve that on assembly, you first center the steering and then turn the plate that drives the cancellation ring to where the fingers are pointing straight down. Insert the control head into the wheel and then tighten all 3 grub screws firmly, without letting anything turn before they are tight. Also, the spigots (trunnions) that hold the lever and allow it to turn need to be lubricated in my experience. If the joint is too stiff, the springs cannot return the lever to center. In the past, I have used "dry moly" to lubricate the switch components, but it doesn't work as well as I hoped. This time instead, I'm using just a tiny dab of synthetic brake grease. It seems to be working well so far, hopefully it won't attract dirt and get gummy over time. I used it on the switch contacts too, although Vaseline would work just as well there. All clear as mud? Feel free to ask ... -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:52:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D4B2D07B1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:52:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C55BF2D07CD for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18100 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 02:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.238) with ESMTP; 16 May 2012 02:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <9070CE068DCE44C38F5ACE86800A6D97@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <9B4F0609EFBF4B96ABAABFE95B825005@bboffice> In-Reply-To: <9B4F0609EFBF4B96ABAABFE95B825005@bboffice> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 21:48:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'll disagree - moisture builds up in the oil, and the engine. IMHO change the oil once a year minimum. and yes, let it run! -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:02 PM To: 'Sujit Roy' ; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Sujit, Get that Stag out on the road and let run, really. Not good to just make short trips where you never get the car, any car, up to full operating temps for an extended period. Dampness collects via condensation in both the block and the exhaust system that can cause premature failures. Getting everything good an hot for a while, even 20-30 minutes at full operating temp can help to keep this burned off. Oil breaks down via contamination that comes from use, I have always felt that if I run the car up the road, maybe to a cafi 30 miles away for coffee or a sandwich I am doing it justice. I change my newer Detroitmobiles on the 5k, but the LBC gets it every 3k, even if it takes two years to get there. I know there will be those on the list that will say annually, regardless of mileage, but I have not signed up for the logic that dictates it. Meanwhile, go for a nice long drive this weekend and at least once a month. The opinions expressed are my own, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:54:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583042D0817 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:54:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552162D07A9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:18:06 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:18:02 -0500 Message-Id: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearshift Boots Question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, I have a question regarding the gearshift boots for the TR4A. There is a lower boot, and an upper boot that has a gearshift cover attached. It seems that the lower boot's slot fits nicely into the tranny cover. Does the upper boot go inside & up through this lower boot, or sit atop the lower boot, held in place by the center console? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 00:23:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20292D07CC for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 00:23:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 006DC2D0793 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 04:30:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 04:30:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 04:30:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 115875.67432.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33421 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2012 04:30:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337142638; bh=IvUhI02rK+zLZwC3Cvy0JXXL56BxrsVXRENBtdjJRo4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gDmHLRw5CrgYnjP2hb8a7+aHB5g83RsUL6H5ZRRKb2zUCtkAy+kzpDDFGbAeqwD7w+xufRTKoQdk9sxMgdjt2Pgmik+4BB3QHeIuUmW9uz1v9wFCO/gF1xvJ2IQAOLXA57RX1ANUy1ar7zOQ9C/3EFnPLCWW25ZQBBtwdHfK1FU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M7Rziv9d3vC3UCNWO3nRkJIZQGyH9ujca5stTB2edZKcQIjlqxGVdk+YdIm9zwNs32zyUpHwFMtx0jrp9fUvGEK0lTnW3vQUhifykhE6Ac+HatH/EkpOJ79yu9O2esXoyndYgTbjdiEbHuWiasUcuJoGYWpSyhZCxLgaR+QpGUM=; X-YMail-OSG: YUd1jUkVM1m.BEGPd3vgEUV6N9.Wu6q9.c1A_UXDglp7DhB t7uYnq02S6dFnwecrAyKlRGcRpU7v.rBWBAYk5Ptd9kI_cTjeAf72H.cxa9b qWZyMI3akHCfBBpF7.H1oYkLrlp8i4IfG8wtjKBmLh63ZB6wv4EtIejLi0tI N3bVDvvn1mdr3ctgqSzmoO5hM.rsQLHHX9azaQHthZ9.fVmLTQNPhorPDeIA HyJZwsLgK_RVIWzognAOKN9rcTMWVo9Wz0DrbdT.iWIZz7HZfYqT.xr09hs. l5bWOLVnG_NSK0wd0UFC0jeVFWz5J76H2cQbTnsKaypeyb.Y8fMcnaVsI0CX WxS5fzp4DEko3nggXWAh.9X8BhDqiFLQ51illlXEBJSY..RDtnrabu7yVDPb iTHAZ2araKwtdIdHxKy_GqHJ6oe_l6SchevEgVOoGOA8Q5C7sKYbJa5HETrf LWUUYc.p7KV.UFaxC3F3f6Tpmc6POXQ0M3eBDIKDaFMUZLEj2X1v9lIwEw_D aqkuAIUAZwG9YRMLQSVV5YeOaCe305ZcKjC1iLpE977.V3U_9v_ll_iqfH6S vb_a6q4VhZqXrN1eaPCdPsA-- Received: from [98.184.151.247] by web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:30:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <001a01cd32fe$797316c0$6c594440$@charter.net> Message-ID: <1337142638.27957.YahooMailNeo@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 21:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "triumphstag@gmail.com" In-Reply-To: <001a01cd32fe$797316c0$6c594440$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree 100%. Short / infrequent use is the worst. Change it every year. Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: Alex & Janet Thomson To: 'Sujit Roy' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Change it! Short trips are the worst. Any combustion produces water vapor which will then condense. The result is bad oil contamination. Figure on an oil/filter change once per year regardless of miles. The cost is less than two cases of cheap beer. Engines in the cold climates have an even more difficult life. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:13 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] who often should I change oil in a a less frequently used LBC Last check. Last oil change was 3 years ago, but only driven about 800 miles. Each trip very short runs. Sujit '71 Stag -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 00:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CC02D08AF for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 00:24:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EE132D07B4 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 04:32:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 04:32:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 04:32:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337142742; bh=58JzxWM0NgUC6B+D9WxkX/8n0jCeWh1MH1wIVS1VffE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=xD338ZWhsl1+V5F6+eg1uuZ9hzfEu0tlrxV768hNYolyPIwsdtl3J+883YddcVK7J+XIuYA8o0yH7o5zSZBlmOgUmC5HxuHmc1XgdfM10g/k3S2mUzGMuaG0oO1O3NLSXrPxnTQnQm0U4YVkbWj8RE+c08GLu3M1YJQq5hXGZuU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 264581.90615.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yAN6T.0VM1kCd8bgp1A8u4q4yBXgfEIWQcaXeOvMjxnYkqf gqrLHl0EJ.o8tq7Jc4hlZo6gDPU01GZY9GGOaTuCDYCu_ZznpMSpa4WaPgSd hSFuxGpch6azlr2SDfEFJh_D5aDiuzkmLacORuJ607kMZ9EuQ0yrxZuWOiP3 WrG_jbPJ2zcbT1vI1GX5jLnlEp7sgmYSX_vq1BfB2MmlS9Zzq4AuqX3SeVHc XzEo5TCyxK_6bGWDX570qukUHZYf._ZdCZ0EoIny_bKjtXMgcV0PcclaGdop 64Y9GZDrLC4ZkgJz2z7DEv_2FRUspSkxpvBzSGpguWuaIdGnGZuAIgnXSmHH F56pOO.7MsOlWIn5zZU8wTLTP7XtcWiZUSRRVf0K7oJv5vVDI677WptmLa3I 6NEAXwlGCAgjw08.Cw3sUnYxUTgCA4QWXH8SMVSy1LrYBxIC8FGGHbf9gFq9 pcdhuMZbyQ2jLI8EdLCVdRAwf2kKmduxlMfl9UTT3RYSEzjkyBpi3jpjAM7B H X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from [192.168.1.103] (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 21:32:21 -0700 PDT References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <9E5D6D55-DC7C-4C11-94EB-D03B18213E10@flash.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Wbeech Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:32:25 -0500 To: David Willett Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Turn Signals: The Saga Continues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That are supposed to self-cancel? I guess mine never worked then, I always just push it over and back as I thought that was the norm in 1958 for these cars. Sent from mobile Bill On May 15, 2012, at 6:21 PM, David Willett wrote: > Thank you to everybody for your advice regarding getting access to and > disassembling the steering wheel control head. Everything has gone fine so far > and I have the thing in pieces, having taken photographs en route, However I > need some advice about the operation of the mechanism which is supposed to > cancel the turn signal once the steering wheel has been returned to the > straight ahead position. I find it difficult to discern the function of the > various components and why they didn't work. > Dave > David Willett > willgray@vaxxine.com > Ph: 905 468 0608 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 04:52:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239902D080F for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 04:52:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6662D06BF for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 03:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AZCo1j0011Y3wxoA6ZEafB; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:14:34 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AZEZ1j00Q3uShJ48bZEZ3G; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:14:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:14:32 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: stag@digest.net Message-ID: <829898010.496344.1337159672514.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <664092304.453415.1337092062374.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.180.154.189] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Where do I get Stag seat belt inertia reels? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here are some pictures of the inertia reel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157629752653826/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: pethier@comcast.net > To: stag@digest.net > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:27:42 AM > Subject: [TR] Where do I get Stag seat belt inertia reels? > I'll tell you the story later. > > Right now, I need to know where to get Stag seat belt inertia reels. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk > http://www.mnautox.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 04:53:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730B42D0A59 for ; 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Wed, 16 May 2012 05:24:26 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 05:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: <8833c771bf3f0701e90f284b00396096.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 05:24:26 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "David Willett" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Turn Signals: The Saga Continues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I need some advice about the operation of the mechanism which is supposed to > cancel the turn signal once the steering wheel has been returned to the straight ahead position. > Dave, Check this out [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Cancelling Action.doc] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 07:54:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F51E2D07D0 for ; 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Huggins" , References: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 07:00:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Gearshift Boots Question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It goes inside the lower boot, just like the TR6. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.D. Huggins" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:18 PM Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearshift Boots Question > All, > > I have a question regarding the gearshift boots for the TR4A. > There is a lower boot, and an upper boot that has a gearshift cover > attached. > > It seems that the lower boot's slot fits nicely into the tranny cover. > Does the upper boot go inside & up through this lower boot, or sit atop > the > lower boot, held in place by the center console? > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Cheers, > > Guy D. Huggins > 1965 Triumph TR4A > CTC 63569LO > > Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr6parts@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 09:27:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6DD2D07BE for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:27:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.presby.edu (mail.presby.edu [192.188.108.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F5B2D0742 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 07:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.84.113.202] (account mtgaines@mail.presby.edu HELO PC-022-013.presby.edu) by mail.presby.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 92945705 for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:03:21 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:08:02 -0400 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tim Gaines In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had a few suggestions that I've ruled out such as wire wheel splines and loose wheel lugs, and a few other ideas that I'll check out, but I don't think I've gotten the answer to the noises yet. I'm now wondering if the speedometer cable could be responsible for the "zzzup" sounds I am hearing. It seems likely that it would make noises at takeoff but then quiet down (or maybe just get high pitched and less noticeable). But I'm not sure why I wouldn't hear anything with the car up on jackstands and the wheels under power. Tim At 06:00 PM 5/15/2012, you wrote: >I thought I was leaving for a nice drive of about 150 miles in the >TR6 a few days ago, but I didn't get farther than the gas station >before some nasty noises turned me right around. When taking off >from a stop I get a crunching sound plus a "zzzup" thrown in once in >a while. My first thought was that I had a stone or two from my >newly graveled driveway sitting on top of the drive shaft. But I >also thought it could be the tranny or the differential, and I >didn't want to take any chances out on the road. I got home >okay. In fact, the car ran smoothly once up to speed. It only made >the sounds at takeoff. I got it up on jackstands and couldn't find >any evidence of stones or loose flange bolts at either end of the >drive shaft or at the rear axles. I also couldn't reproduce the >sounds with the wheels off the ground, either with the rear wheels >under power or by turning the front ones by hand. I also couldn't >feel or hear anything when I turned the rear wheels by hand or the >drive shaft with a wrench on the flange bolts. > >When I got the car on the ground and found that it still made the >sounds (no lucky fix!), I started thinking it might be a disc brake >pad issue. It seemed like the sounds were coming from the >front. Today I replaced the pads and the nasty looking anti squeal >shims. In the process I rotated the rotors with and without pads in >place and got no noises. However, I did get something like the >"zzzup" noise when I deflected the rotor guard into the rotor while >turning it. After everything was back together I made sure that the >guard wasn't touching the rotor before getting the car back on the >ground. Just took a drive up the road, and nothing has changed; >crunchy noises and "zzzups" at takeoff, forward and backward, but >fine after it's up to speed. I think I can feel a little something >through the shifter when the noises occur, but I'm not really >positive about that. I also think that the noises stop when I >disengage the clutch, but by the time I reach speed enough for that, >the noises are usually gone anyway. > >So folks, what am I up against? Does a transmission make those >kinds of noises when it's failing? Is there something else I should >be looking at? Thanks for any help you can offer. > >Tim >1974 TR6 >1980 Spitfire > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mtgaines@mail.presby.edu ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 10:57:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543DE2D077F for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:57:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8316E2D079B for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 08:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-43511925.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.25.37]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M44000SQCAXIU80@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:01:42 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: mtgaines@presby.edu Message-id: <001d01cd336c$6e2649e0$4a72dda0$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac0zbGwMbJByrkvLRqipzLazd156xQ== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tim Gaines wrote: >snip >Just took a drive up the road, and nothing has changed; >crunchy noises and "zzzups" at takeoff, forward and backward, but >>fine after it's up to speed. I think I can feel a little something >through the shifter when the noises occur, but I'm not really >positive about that. >snip Tim - I'm no expert, but that sure sounds like the lay shaft in your tranny is toast, especially since it happens in 1st and reverse and does not happen in the higher gears. BTDT. YMMV. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 12:48:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89EF2D06F2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 12:48:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B19B52D0789 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.115] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:40:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 609742.5848.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88680 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 15:40:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:thread-index; b=5IhD9zWJ5sJkLAT2Wzt3eKgz2xr5vrUnjZ2vWDe2wKYeEYT1o9hO19yMhtVWukoIfF8bwbK+2wBl980Dx3byl+2jLyq2cWMg+nqjd8h3Fxee2MIHxI/wcTKdoUadl/m8ayaj3SdV/4ymcM1l22KCTGEHnCyj5lz5EUdFS9J5urk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337182845; bh=Bnpyms7OKzNkXXxRv8syOw/Z0cL+WNp5Bb0ucwJUUH8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:thread-index; b=NxNxvgOT1JiBEYVH7I5SQudsI2CCGYYCWq07I6Qu6xO0RKom1hbzN6XvzReUb2CH8aLyFRI/a0uyHCmQuIAac96sN0vIhggradgs24Dqcxj2oDIsGfmAyIKGlUuU+Rwh75ph9c/y7nUFmY4e9jHpCrq7+NiqkgfVn3NKOrRg1gA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: BnigFEoVM1k39EuWm7M_dX6yKBEeuUdoIjtGOW1Nr1LPypS uaPmhXkzRaanxDr3jAZVNn_DZo.klcZToMF0ICvjKnkYT7jrw2P4Wo0i0qaV cbMmRtO46xdnpGFC04_FGtR4gNILxtSuZmStiKW_SneuQVpoAKvshk2wFwfB cLGWfSq7F7eJxPg16rJPdQo7Sotl0Dy7v1aTTg38ZBb0U0n1i63pS0zbQl.. ipgym5Ewai5_QkKyPCnq6u95g3bFGzS0Qf_qGo0jo8ORiFSnfmVQebsDhLn7 YZyo.63lswGQqWraocvG87RIGzahSlwuOmab4GQeMfygJanSLd4xyIXOpX64 3_.QeDOpK1fMQIti1MxAM_4AURV3bArHvcPk1D.C0J5d_238M4XLlUni7l9q 2b8qEVCAL2UJRyaiHktwnBKp6EQ26tw147wmU.0dGeMtuoqAzJF8h3WonioL Uu8npVQbi_TYgL2WL863gTVJmWZX2efRp_wAdzRvxNw8IeSObfU8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 08:40:45 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Tim Gaines'" , References: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: <7CDA462D19144373B773CD58F055281D@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Ac0zeI5LzWkI3nlUTcK6DQCXq6uQ9AAAMnJg Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net With it on stands, unladen, it could be that the routing is changed just enough to eliminate the sound. Disconnect it and give her a run up the road. B -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:08 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 tranny sound? I've had a few suggestions that I've ruled out such as wire wheel splines and loose wheel lugs, and a few other ideas that I'll check out, but I don't think I've gotten the answer to the noises yet. I'm now wondering if the speedometer cable could be responsible for the "zzzup" sounds I am hearing. It seems likely that it would make noises at takeoff but then quiet down (or maybe just get high pitched and less noticeable). But I'm not sure why I wouldn't hear anything with the car up on jackstands and the wheels under power. Tim At 06:00 PM 5/15/2012, you wrote: >I thought I was leaving for a nice drive of about 150 miles in the >TR6 a few days ago, but I didn't get farther than the gas station >before some nasty noises turned me right around. When taking off from >a stop I get a crunching sound plus a "zzzup" thrown in once in a >while. My first thought was that I had a stone or two from my newly >graveled driveway sitting on top of the drive shaft. But I also >thought it could be the tranny or the differential, and I didn't want >to take any chances out on the road. I got home okay. In fact, the >car ran smoothly once up to speed. It only made the sounds at takeoff. >I got it up on jackstands and couldn't find any evidence of stones or >loose flange bolts at either end of the drive shaft or at the rear >axles. I also couldn't reproduce the sounds with the wheels off the >ground, either with the rear wheels under power or by turning the >front ones by hand. I also couldn't feel or hear anything when I >turned the rear wheels by hand or the drive shaft with a wrench on the >flange bolts. > >When I got the car on the ground and found that it still made the >sounds (no lucky fix!), I started thinking it might be a disc brake pad >issue. It seemed like the sounds were coming from the front. Today I >replaced the pads and the nasty looking anti squeal shims. In the >process I rotated the rotors with and without pads in place and got no >noises. However, I did get something like the "zzzup" noise when I >deflected the rotor guard into the rotor while turning it. After >everything was back together I made sure that the guard wasn't touching >the rotor before getting the car back on the ground. Just took a drive >up the road, and nothing has changed; crunchy noises and "zzzups" at >takeoff, forward and backward, but fine after it's up to speed. I >think I can feel a little something through the shifter when the noises >occur, but I'm not really positive about that. I also think that the >noises stop when I disengage the clutch, but by the time I reach speed >enough for that, the noises are usually gone anyway. > >So folks, what am I up against? Does a transmission make those kinds >of noises when it's failing? Is there something else I should be >looking at? Thanks for any help you can offer. > >Tim >1974 TR6 >1980 Spitfire > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mtgaines@mail.presby.edu ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 18:38:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F472D0787 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:38:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651002C09E4 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W20 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 15 May 2012 16:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.199.207.209] From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: , Triumph List Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:38:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <28864CA9032846B59DD7511771AB59C4@AlexPC>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2012 23:38:56.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5162D50:01CD32F3] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark- Don't want to sway you too much if you are convinced, but you really shouldn't need a shut off valve like that - if you are running a mechanical fuel pump, are you sure you don't have the leak there? That is a common problem if the diaphram leaks, it will go into the sump. Not sure what else would cause it. Randy ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:25:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8A12D076B for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:25:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p99mm-asmtpout008.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com [17.158.233.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D5A2D0787 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:09:43 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.1.10.11] (c-67-172-230-246.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [67.172.230.246]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4500CG11PAVH80@nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:10:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-16_09:2012-05-16,2012-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=2 spamscore=2 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205160289 From: Robert Hendricks Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:10:21 -0600 Message-id: <09ED4F28-E5E8-4F4E-B093-9BE32A2AF423@me.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [TR] Spitfire tub to frame X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello. Tub of my Spit is painted ready to attach to frame. Bought a bolt kit from the Roadster Factory - no instructions. Do the alloy pads go on every attach point or just a a few? And Where do the rubber washers go? Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:27:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757C82D05C9 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:27:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56ED2D0753 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:27:15 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=XZILPfF5 c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=L0nsnYodmF4v4oMwxRIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=k_MbuXD_RFWSLpZyx70A:9 a=8DXOW1iv9Xgsyr36YScA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50920] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 11/C0-15662-8F734BF4; Wed, 16 May 2012 19:27:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:31:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning on using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but $520.00 is a bit out of my price range. I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any other non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:30:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638B02D071C for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:30:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D242D06F8 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:38:58 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1337215176; x=1337819976; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=jmuqlNkqsy7Qb6WgTvGLUY3XE+PV5J4uABoY54P4eWE=; b=h3Z w83mrqa3V7PsLm+eS1eOqYGyw/sNbErHm1kapdlLiueF42KVDA59GP6zZqZ5BZFi ELge/C3HSYGQeHDvNTzNlKqBCaCSRnY4vu/aStFbBT3CLh4OLjY/Tcn6J5w78XiF Zbkm9VhVAT/1Poe3gK6AURKQxzF5ymuYUZqntfrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=pLM+COwCaBEqLsQdGGyVWscbXEf5aO4wLXoPJfBc8co+hRgsw4HpimCD8HVL 9r/70L2k7HDJpm2rHQ366kExBI2HHXC3LECNbZyfVbYTtJf1SmBOR0sQg AB3oOmqik7wdRaoW74x3ClpNwrN7J8uyBE0AetoI0EVZt/YgdCB/KM=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Wed, 16 May 2012 20:39:36 -0400 Received: from mhooper.digiscreen-mtl.ca by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 58-md50000110076.msg for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:39:35 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Wed, 16 May 2012 20:39:35 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120517:md50000110076::jHbuEWJjEm9ild55:00008RBB X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:41:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'tr3driver@ca.rr.com'" , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" In-Reply-To: <03df01cd3301$49a5d100$dcf17300$@rr.com> Message-ID: Organization: IndieFilmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think it's OK; I did a complete fuel pump rebuild a couple of years back and there does not seem to be any trace of gas leakage under the pump. Just some crud in the carbs from before I put in the fuel filter I guess. I'll have to pull the bowls and see if I can clean things out. However, I still like the idea of a shut-off which could add in a security feature. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: May 15, 2012 9:15 PM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 7.0/6.0] RE: [TR] Fuel Shutoff valve question > I keep getting fuel draining into the sump, despite having a filter in > the fuel > line and 3 recently rebuilt carbs. Are you sure it's coming through the carbs? Sounds like a bad fuel pump diaphragm to me. > Part number 7008A-12V-O is a pilot operated You don't want a piloted valve anyway. They rely on the pressure of the (fuel in this case) to operate the valve and have some minimum pressure drop. You need a direct acting valve. Here's one that looks suitable, rated for 170F fuel: http://goo.gl/4qoH8 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:56:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365092D0685 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:56:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7205B2D06FC for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 03:20:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 03:20:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 03:20:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337224822; bh=OiaBiiCCK1qNfhwIN9kc0BbMPo4pGrVabRTE0skNudE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=tp+yJ9kOW/oZPGjk11uwQsQPjYTq0yFHNwS7LqwZjdulXPb2vhdNEAp3CDb1Khukzq1MLQVNPElaqW2B4yJsNeA0UelqocXeD9QERapUVWTJHcIQCH/qI4DPbTAluop8GSWzz6R15Gk8IPZQYRKH/6I7lhi0tt9M0yYXVOo56lA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 910928.69451.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cRFqkF0VM1lmAQ.OZxvWbS3366h3SIipT5jU94BvR7T8MEo Aii5P9UTrrtSFtGibTRy3X_oj0gybNz.J6qn.eCMb6_86pecwgkdLj67udJY 2uUC024WMFwVoskvVzRyERupo4e3RXceAwvVQF9eO71pC83OOS0hGyaQKsBO zZGbucXCI.FIiHqqW87Xk9dno301ddOj0RxYm5TDiTQDhrrJt2XN5o19C5FO ._1HRKaeXd55y0dBTj4Pe9b9CEQidBoDCVlz6_LiLYt9v1ZwWOebvIMLyYZu P6_N86wn9zSuBNXkaOWkGiDKXi.Pv2OqIHxWHRXFX6SmPkvw4LCw9wIl7Duq rz4_4xeKbcfcaIlhH8IJZr3Dxc5wBHOW83heUadPo_qxw0wdtH_SZGO.dxd1 LnctLZul7d4MNV3z2Fr3TtOQA4ohDPi__17nyYPJ5ZbfmFbas3DVgTOJW.L5 iOk2MsV5vOgIjBGVS4ldHmqlO3VBaASq.g7Lmh6bSTrk5BOAX8QkwNw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 20:20:22 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <104EC142563A4A25AFC1C9273EDE0734@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0z1LLVr8hcBT3CTQGQB5wDfD/jlgABjhsg Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Contact Debbie at Auto-Sparks in the UK, they make the harness that British Wiring sells (at least they did four years ago). I installed it in my TR3A, everything matched up and Frank Fisher's oversize color wiring diagram was a godsend. Bought it direct, saved bucks, Bob's yer uncle. Auto Sparks 80-88 Derby Road Sandiacre, Nottingham NG10 5HU Telephone: +44 (0)115 949 7211 Email: Sales: sales@autosparks.co.uk Customer Services: help@autosparks.co.uk Cheers, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:32 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses Hi, I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning on using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but $520.00 is a bit out of my price range. I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any other non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 07:41:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A954F2D0713 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:41:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD342D0723 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 04:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so2348774yen.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:31:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=4Ke/StspTbnoF7GukecHxeD/EtplaN4uhIDfbTOKiEM=; b=ApBIIWiCjdZYw//e/PlcCx0FFDSmbcX3BHLIM321r4iW7zaQTEpjdJwjOZFUfivVWX 3cEfJVu19CfUiq20FLOE36/PyRs52oZIrLoiTDRD3YM6MwZAgk/8K2pHM9tFw7pvZphy 4OR5bEhNKLDXWSQdhmNhyBMtwoAFn0qV8YnQZ0ZZOEcpj4ei6RKH32Be+o/tk080A+Mc LUn4WlelHYBTJpdKB8XroLKN9bQtHZ244vltQU0+SW+nbEyh7wOMqhWaU1y2dXbafN/u ZLJ8ljlA591H9NYb340s937TpOZAenYo16FD/ddRbc760cdCXN2sWxFyc/21P1jXXQf5 znKQ== Received: by 10.236.182.131 with SMTP id o3mr7245292yhm.113.1337250701676; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([97.103.22.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l13sm9561537ann.2.2012.05.17.03.31.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 03:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:31:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: car discussion Sports Triumph References: Message-Id: <4418423F-FE3D-4E5F-A516-56A0ED68CD9C@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Do not remember what I paid for the Advanced Autowire I put in my TR3, but I think the improvements & features made it worth my money & time. John On 16 May, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Hi, > I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning on > using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their > harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but $520.00 > is a bit out of my price range. > I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any other > non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60@gmail.com John A. Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 Triumph TR3A Commission No: TS80422L http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ http://www.triumphowners.com/876 1977 Porsche 911S http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 09:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA9B2D0742 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:44:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway1.delphi.com (gateway1.delphi.com [65.216.74.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA022D06EB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 06:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 10.201.6.196 (EHLO mail.delphi.com) ([10.201.6.196]) by gateway1.delphi.com (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id NVS56704; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net ([169.254.2.129]) by 017-CH1MMR1-001.017d.mgd.msft.net ([144.250.158.10]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.004; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:28:01 -0500 From: "Daehler, William F" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Oil for K & N Air Filters Thread-Index: Ac00KDYwSMwiV2eAS7+VygnGjvZBTA== Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 12:28:00 +0000 Message-ID: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.207.130.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Good-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A020301.4FB4EAF6.00BB, actions=TAG X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/40, host=gateway1.delphi.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020202.4FB4EF3C.009F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.129, so=2011-11-01 07:33:11, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020202.4FB4EF3C.009F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.129, so=2011-11-01 07:33:11, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: e995a3c706eb2217c0dc8c5a2a5c5747 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just installed my K & N air filters on my Triumph to improve the show quality (read as more 'shiny chrome' ). Reading the fine print, there is a special oil requirement. Hmmm, I already have special oil for my SU dampers, special oil for my Armstrong rear shocks, 20 W 50 ZDDP racing oil for the engine, transmission oil and 90 W hypoid oil for the differential. Also I have special oil for my air compressor and a special detergent free oil for my air tools. I love this hobby, but not sure if I am a vintage car enthusiast or an oil collector. Any chance that this K & N oil is something very ordinary, but just rebottled and then over-priced accordingly? Will Daehler '63 TR4 Powder Blue ***************************************************************************** *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you. ***************************************************************************** *********** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:45:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DE62D06F1 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:45:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41CB2D070C for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W18 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 May 2012 06:48:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.80.20] From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: , Triumph List Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:48:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2012 13:48:40.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4855020:01CD3433] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've not done this personally, but Auto-sparks do custom work as well, so if you wanted to add extra wiring to the loom for an alternator, relays etc, as long as you plan it out they can accomodate you. Nothing against Advanced Autowire, but I find it hard to justify over $500 when a stock setup can be had in the UK for about $200. > From: dconnitt@fuse.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:31:43 -0400 > Subject: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses > > Hi, > I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning on > using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their > harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but $520.00 > is a bit out of my price range. > I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any other > non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:48:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760732D06FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:48:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B08D2D0702 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:43:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ar8u_wTgAAAA:20 a=9-Ezrn7mDiz4PgAlZk4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=C4EPFlt6wmkA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BA/8A-16302-0CE05BF4; Thu, 17 May 2012 14:44:17 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:44:16 -0700 Message-ID: <0ed501cd343b$896bca70$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0z1K6o4nZt+Q5pTQGrbOPcz/GrfwAZeysw In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad > installing any other > non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. Just curious, Dave, why does it have to be an aftermarket harness? I find that the original harness meets perhaps 3/4 of my needs; and it's not difficult to fabricate your own for whatever modifications _you_ want. For example, here is a modification that the AA harness does not support: http://goo.gl/xVR2q (My TR3 is modified so the corner lights in the rear act as both brake lights and turn signals. No changes to the original harness.) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:44:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5A02D06FE for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:44:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBADA2D0633 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:04:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: "G.D. Huggins" In-Reply-To: <4418423F-FE3D-4E5F-A516-56A0ED68CD9C@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:04:26 -0500 Message-Id: <69EE7122-CB3F-461F-A0F7-1C1B9FE02400@genfiniti.com> References: <4418423F-FE3D-4E5F-A516-56A0ED68CD9C@gmail.com> To: car discussion Sports Triumph X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I purchased the kit years ago, and installed it last summer. The kit is very impressive, and it might be worth it. In terms of simple economics, I would ask what your time is worth. Think of the time you might spend troubleshooting future electric/wiring issues and ask which is less expensive; that time, or $520. I'd be happy to share experiences, info, whatever. Best of luck! On May 17, 2012, at 5:31 AM, John Wise wrote: > Do not remember what I paid for the Advanced Autowire I put in my TR3, but I > think the improvements & features made it worth my money & time. > > John > > > On 16 May, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning > on >> using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their >> harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but > $520.00 >> is a bit out of my price range. >> I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any > other >> non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. >> Thanks, >> Dave Connitt >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60@gmail.com > > John A. Wise > Ormond Beach, FL > > 1960 Triumph TR3A > Commission No: TS80422L > http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ > http://www.triumphowners.com/876 > > 1977 Porsche 911S > http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:48:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF75F2D0708 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:48:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2B82D0708 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DCH6RFC1 ([166.249.97.199]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id B4KJ1j0014J6Wo6014KJ6J; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:19:19 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Daehler, William F'" , References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 12:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> Thread-Index: Ac00KDYwSMwiV2eAS7+VygnGjvZBTAAIGJmw Subject: Re: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure what they take, but I know they come oiled, so you can put it on your "I'll worry about it next year" list ! But I'd be interested in seeing what people say, as I too have just installed them on a car. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Daehler, William F Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:28 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters I just installed my K & N air filters on my Triumph to improve the show quality (read as more 'shiny chrome' ). Reading the fine print, there is a special oil requirement. Hmmm, I already have special oil for my SU dampers, special oil for my Armstrong rear shocks, 20 W 50 ZDDP racing oil for the engine, transmission oil and 90 W hypoid oil for the differential. Also I have special oil for my air compressor and a special detergent free oil for my air tools. I love this hobby, but not sure if I am a vintage car enthusiast or an oil collector. Any chance that this K & N oil is something very ordinary, but just rebottled and then over-priced accordingly? Will Daehler '63 TR4 Powder Blue **************************************************************************** * *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. **************************************************************************** * *********** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:50:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18322D0750 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:50:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295A12D06EA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so2900498ggm.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1w/dfKPT6262QOlFa+XXololPBfijASDPdvIkHf8Ko0=; b=ubOL4BT6fZwsVR2BxAmAtk6dLxWMFomIsjgDg+JpWm64EFQ2oGAFfyNNq3PdQ0FN0D /VOEUat+rnPFSt/wXHRL2zl0s69RxQXBESIlIg8V4k7w1yT8oXyrV4Nreyoco5ufSD2y /5igt3/nafRrh1eaQJJKBnIl8Jv303JgWr/3+ZVJMr9AVAMJEwp9cDdUY/4JXWNNNMJr BXOuYppNhfe5QjoZ8ESgW6x89H/xsKbaBmzFWgIY7+VrQWwRR9T5ub+WNa31ZJB/kizH E8M2+41ypyoF9BwV/CxHzkQwA1vDapQVbYuF7Bu56ipryuZWBUqS5H+apszxivRFtABt ojYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.99 with SMTP id rf3mr6176632igb.25.1337272583731; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.123.81 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:36:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: "Daehler, William F" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What I recently got (arrived yesterday)... http://www.ebay.com/itm/160798963390?item=160798963390&viewitem=&vxp=mtr Seemed to be the best deal all-around. No idea if there is something already on the shelf that I could have used. Geo On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Daehler, William F < william.f.daehler@delphi.com> wrote: > I just installed my K & N air filters on my Triumph to improve the show > quality (read as more 'shiny chrome' ). > > Reading the fine print, there is a special oil requirement. Hmmm, I > already > have special oil for my SU dampers, special oil for my Armstrong rear > shocks, > 20 W 50 ZDDP racing oil for the engine, transmission oil and 90 W hypoid > oil > for the differential. Also I have special oil for my air compressor and a > special detergent free oil for my air tools. I love this hobby, but not > sure > if I am a vintage car enthusiast or an oil collector. > > Any chance that this K & N oil is something very ordinary, but just > rebottled > and then over-priced accordingly? > > > Will Daehler > '63 TR4 Powder Blue > > > > ***************************************************************************** > *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, > or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If > you > have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. > > ***************************************************************************** > *********** > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:52:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A3C2D06F4 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:52:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E652D06C3 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170015pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M46006SQEQNYF80@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:49:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 205.143.205.142 ([205.143.205.142]) by vms170015 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:49:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:49:35 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: william.f.daehler@delphi.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <21894907.652499.1337273375466.JavaMail.root@vms170015> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [205.143.205.142] Subject: Re: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will, can't answer that question but I can tell you that the money you save from not replacing paper filters on a regular basis will more than offset the price of their oil and cleaner. I have used my two cans for several years at this point, and they both are still have full. It takes very little cleaner and oil to get them ready to go. Just one man's opinion. Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 On 05/17/12, Daehler, William F wrote: I just installed my K & N air filters on my Triumph to improve the show quality (read as more 'shiny chrome' ). Reading the fine print, there is a special oil requirement. Hmmm, I already have special oil for my SU dampers, special oil for my Armstrong rear shocks, 20 W 50 ZDDP racing oil for the engine, transmission oil and 90 W hypoid oil for the differential. Also I have special oil for my air compressor and a special detergent free oil for my air tools. I love this hobby, but not sure if I am a vintage car enthusiast or an oil collector. Any chance that this K & N oil is something very ordinary, but just rebottled and then over-priced accordingly? Will Daehler '63 TR4 Powder Blue ***************************************************************************** *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ***************************************************************************** *********** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:12:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4304F2D06EE for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:12:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DCA92D06F9 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 17:58:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 17:58:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 17:58:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 180422.96148.bm@omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22344 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2012 17:58:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337277513; bh=Nm/5tEjiHzcm13CRY/al0/5Wy2HJF6UwqLhxQZudkx4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yH1XKhgHHgPURRELytX47Npfbl2cZY38M5VqdcsyQI2yZo+ZNVBPwV3TuQQ7m7nEr1A06waQLfs9+VpuGyymW1jzkQE9B1JstNmDJBlK102vvg4M4lXp1RdS/e4Lw99kYQ5PcM7IDC8gJey6310aj5RugEr0VVLIWgkcZ90eRcA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Op17XBBWZABXQ0T9saolT8XPXsyVaIfnvmT0GUsvYMTwTIFjX2bDGp0b2Nu3c8q7inRY4R6sA2QlqWspV3aBBNGUdYLBEZSbHXtw9Rf3nu9JuSM/2XwrgF3zW40JC4bP2zLxjqgsqa9ozysJLHXdE89KK01JCVnG5ndqP036494=; X-YMail-OSG: HkKK8JcVM1mSZOQjXQiA4R_xUjiyua1jJwoNTrNnnjlUG0n v__.KN4HmUBTG_siKnkpaLQVQiCYqGVymGy0E81OsQkhPH5AZHgGSzBIVTj_ 86uO9DQ9cAb3f4c20YEEbgy7tZPGri1RxXaBpvvEhKS3h6tPzZZUwYm.DRPp Z7zBr0MfvCtizZ8z0iJoyjJrKqwBsI9rP4Vtxu92IzszebKNok0CeJ8Yz7S3 cydu89vDMTnsOAMnnWIMrdgXNyhxTjUoRpV7axBnqoIqVT8tXXkgkoReNJMg bRxbBNvUMcqa0OpL2UrJusF7Xl0lCJsNOymiYQQ07DknyMlHHSWEsYFXH5zQ 2C9LBau0HBIGYYJcvsmYCUFmwhotUBqqXVxtRcrjINPNhCvZe9sGmCj1xl1s boXjHk8S0XQnRDxdNDdA0iE_EnEpgjtCgq1U8Dvw_86ARhmMqQvM6_0oPfvE yBxJOEpChcMGNm6hBvkInsrtP Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:58:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1337277512.67766.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter , "dconnitt@fuse.net" , Triumph List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i did not know of auto-sparks when i bought my harness from British wire. i knew i was going to be using an electric fan so i had them run an additional wire inside the harness from the fuse box to the front of drivers side fender. i was extremely happy with what i got and the price was right too. in comparison to my buddy who bought from one of the 3, who could still not get it right for his car after 2 returns. Frank Fisher From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: dconnitt@fuse.net; Triumph List Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses I've not done this personally, but Auto-sparks do custom work as well, so if you wanted to add extra wiring to the loom for an alternator, relays etc, as long as you plan it out they can accomodate you. Nothing against Advanced Autowire, but I find it hard to justify over $500 when a stock setup can be had in the UK for about $200. > From: dconnitt@fuse.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:31:43 -0400 > Subject: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses > > Hi, > I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning on > using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their > harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but $520.00 > is a bit out of my price range. > I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any other > non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:19:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C742D0716 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:19:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D75842D06EB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18036 invoked from network); 17 May 2012 18:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.82) with ESMTP; 17 May 2012 18:36:07 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Dave" To: References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> In-Reply-To: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:35:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net if I'm not mistaken, that "special oil" won't be needed for 50 k miles. I didn't worry about it! -----Original Message----- From: Daehler, William F Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:28 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters I just installed my K & N air filters on my Triumph to improve the show quality (read as more 'shiny chrome' ). Reading the fine print, there is a special oil requirement. Hmmm, I already have special oil for my SU dampers, special oil for my Armstrong rear shocks, 20 W 50 ZDDP racing oil for the engine, transmission oil and 90 W hypoid oil for the differential. Also I have special oil for my air compressor and a special detergent free oil for my air tools. I love this hobby, but not sure if I am a vintage car enthusiast or an oil collector. Any chance that this K & N oil is something very ordinary, but just rebottled and then over-priced accordingly? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 18:23:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAC82D06EA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:23:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6A32D0527 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 15:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B8Vl1j00A1vXlb85B9kvVZ; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:44:55 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.113]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B9kv1j01D2SagsU3d9kvAH; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:44:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:44:55 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-ID: <435900281.566069.1337291095352.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <21894907.652499.1337273375466.JavaMail.root@vms170015> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [75.67.80.110] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [TR] Paper Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, everyone. Some time ago, I replaced the old metal strand/oil impregnated air filters on my '59 TR3A with paper filters. Can't remember the brand I bought, but they were round with a flat shiny metal (not chrome) front and back plate. Thing is, they didn't fit well, bumped into the fuel lines. I'm not looking for expensive, just a quality paper filter. Recommendations? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 18:24:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1172D0707 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:24:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363322D0527 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-43511925.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.25.37]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M4600GYBTC2DZR0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:04:50 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <002f01cd3479$14fa5650$3eef02f0$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac00eRSZl0kBxx/aRKOj01hJUMibTA== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Re: K & N air filters: The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so you can tell if you've completely covered the entire surface area. YMMV. Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 20:21:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37042D06F5 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:21:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B9262D0699 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 22:30:30 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.143] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 22:30:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 22:30:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 706392.52437.bm@omp1026.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78194 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2012 22:30:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337293830; bh=Dt3/ek5F2jlFGtlFD2GC2t23xwFyJ0ikQtXbkRnBFe4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KTU0J6zEP45AtoHkvTZD/Ueobmm48n/oyZUfIkadJx7X5V2J2hwnDES+bNPWHO9urzgnRqnLL+DdyaSDvJywFWUbB775BbLQ+TMpoSBpZ70YdDc1rSGpZ2ITrTfGnhNfSPRYgVMzD3d5ngpgh+DzjGrPAAUZT/PBKYEl00bL4/g= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oDkCGpZnb328V5NuT3rHqV+C6Asx4ns5ASkZB9Bv1TC9+FNk27bPv+67bGMPLNN2U20xr1bOYse12R2cKVXOPSHXKjW6nzKYFsAwHOWFc0IySO+NfKpl3qq2T2FT1GzUOqIq8P1luhJKiBbNA/pPCeMV8pVmVeazYxIkBEAEFNM=; X-YMail-OSG: dm7U1zMVM1n1pAWw3Loi8UqE2MzepVExjYStcR75OPT6wx9 PbDw0JcCYAvj7JcshnWhnBqpqXjVilj5P4cnHzHEmKCkNxBdLfb.ANods.Yn bESbMqiwzc9yYuQ6MTgu0AJpd8ZOJxTrPe47teIlIJI6pUmtqNdkK_Uppht4 DyaqxxKSgwr3gRp4JhHN6GtGXdsbrWs49dtNBwIKU_x95tbRrwI7qpptA2iw YbhB6ulPcESRf7E4sHXL40RzZtpTvHqHB2I326uohTFAckhRXgGGgMObUJSl EqWmVn7jNbeirwkcwkSGarPqYukZybrM1MEyQ8dkpQKHqv1l6XJ_ww2cJdJM 5sx6t44mdxREOTqWesBvsbjR58papFO7nUIQ4.mSJSj.nIM3mww5hoNQioVW Sbsoi1tq0fVJ.gFI- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 15:30:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] winshield "tape" X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Someone on the list several days ago mentioned a 3M tape that worked for him on installing a tr-3 windshield. He called it...............3M EPR Tape. I've asked for it at the local NAPA store and they didn't know what I was talking about. I also got on the 3M web site and found various tapes but nothing specifically described as EPR. Just wondering if there was another part number to go by? I'm working with the material I got from TRF for the windshield but so far am scared to death I'll break the glass with the present stuff. Just seems it'll take way to much force to get the windshield in the frame. thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 00:07:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E7C2D06C9 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:07:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 526C32D06D2 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:33:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:33:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 362398.23609.bm@omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92075 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 02:33:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:thread-index; b=drxTq7k8+iWD/4HtDu2wKXGPmk6OoexECwv/HMCgDXz9AM5Jjbg+pjBbMK1MKz56jS35hm4Po/8JC4KCRI19w2dBKEXEq6052mMNEk3r9TTNzqopaLvUso4F56CLYYGNcJyR0yvho4P4BHIWspaLD0tvwK1KMiTawMxZ3K1jCaE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337308423; bh=Z2v6JRFYUNzTATCJsBxh0v5w3hIDpygbN++2sbd3f8A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:thread-index; b=YmX8oeZUhKJ9N2z18A3OqMK0xQLLG3ydzEokr25Iy0pkX4LxJLviBhwGtB+/SZjNOhSjYClV5qpzlopQSP4sPAHQGJT7xUwfQwgI2WjimYniEVtxLktl0umzNELW6EqiLX0sNlU3RUvrfQ9Z1qCckNJrhKZGFwm5c1u9KyRVbns= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: c_EL_PIVM1mxcmT9pxKO5qyBY5XW.8CYG25uK5LF5mmVn.n UWlkunZzV5XgamV8_JJSeHmohoRFZWRqUw1fRGyNmVwjwmzzZJkBOGb9ruOt 8rr91aCaoQD3QZRFkKdX9fJGLeZCOolBKFKwiYvHxq4IAfaV2QfFXJih3eGo WNYGwquxElXVMTqMazaIF_r_n5Jr2nfL1SAc.lTEc7ya20_aWLxsqYbvPHZe JutET9pX71S5e40jZp3bJJ_Rx0L1ZYCFlqrC9THBa5wkB..9E6h_IyS5JLfj V.uJ_WV72mDzzivWs9UjDpRvd70vsbwW4A350FrfnGtDlj40Asa1rYFYiLhS hZhpXnvFZikE357NuqM7WClNjGceEwdQ7aO.cu8yRsWXhDUgFN_ZR21kWZvv LeyedpbIIp6rlV1UgY50K2GqOTBM8LJg7ZxE6DkBEjqGGIJWDj5G6dxgSYMl pRTjgYDvPRr56qOKxo2jhmRPV1FaRZOZS X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2012 19:33:42 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter'" , , "'Triumph List'" References: <1337277512.67766.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4B60FCC4CE4A4C9F9CC17F11D839A91E@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1337277512.67766.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> thread-index: Ac00elm/vEI44q7jSyKJw3JtCUGd8AAIsE1g Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net British Wiring buys their harnesses from Auto-Sparks, I was very pleased with the one for my TR3A, along with Frank's big diagram. B -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:59 PM To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter; dconnitt@fuse.net; Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses i did not know of auto-sparks when i bought my harness from British wire. i knew i was going to be using an electric fan so i had them run an additional wire inside the harness from the fuse box to the front of drivers side fender. i was extremely happy with what i got and the price was right too. in comparison to my buddy who bought from one of the 3, who could still not get it right for his car after 2 returns. Frank Fisher From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: dconnitt@fuse.net; Triumph List Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses I've not done this personally, but Auto-sparks do custom work as well, so if you wanted to add extra wiring to the loom for an alternator, relays etc, as long as you plan it out they can accomodate you. Nothing against Advanced Autowire, but I find it hard to justify over $500 when a stock setup can be had in the UK for about $200. > From: dconnitt@fuse.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:31:43 -0400 > Subject: [TR] Non-OEM wire harnesses > > Hi, > I am slowly getting to the point of wiring up my TR4A IRS and was planning on > using a Advanced Autowire harness. Unfortunately for me, the cost for their > harness is now $520.00. I understand it is a good quality harness but $520.00 > is a bit out of my price range. > I am asking if anyone has had any experience good or bad installing any other > non-OEM wire harness, hopefully in a TR4A. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 00:10:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677392D06FC for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:10:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F502D0653 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BAr31j0021ap0As53FEsmw; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:14:52 +0000 Received: from [10.235.43.218] ([174.252.179.159]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BFEg1j00H3SkWGE3iFEjfx; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:14:50 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?RGVubmlzIEN1bGxpZ2Fu?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120518061025.677392D06FC@autox.team.net> Huh...every k&n I ever bought had the oil already applied to the filter. I don't think they sell them dry. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dennis Culligan" To: Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 17:04 Re: K & N air filters: The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so you can tell if you've completely covered the entire surface area. YMMV. Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 02:07:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72142D06EB for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 02:07:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B2B2D06C7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:48:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Njk364elJsqd_3CSJCwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D2/FA-07741-7B4D5BF4; Fri, 18 May 2012 04:48:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <21894907.652499.1337273375466.JavaMail.root@vms170015> <435900281.566069.1337291095352.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0fb701cd34b1$883c2070$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac00jIJQAtuI515BSC+lszAnAMXcNQAIzsNw In-Reply-To: <435900281.566069.1337291095352.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Paper Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Can't remember the brand I bought, but they were > round with a flat shiny metal (not chrome) front and back > plate. Thing is, they didn't fit well, bumped into the fuel lines. I think the round ones are NLA. But the oval ones from a TR4A fit about as well and are readily available from the usual suspects. TRF has a 4-pack of them under the P/N LUF8277/4 for $34 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 07:21:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3CC2D0639 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:21:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549442D0513 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 05:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120518111808.CMGT12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11>; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:18:08 -0400 Received: from Alan ([97.81.202.216]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id BPJ71j0044gec2h05PJ8QL; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:18:08 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QKe9YilwVvZeGldBHSIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IDfoKwBsRaMA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:117 Message-ID: <127A72C3836C491EA8F12470317F8F2C@Alan> From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Dennis Culligan" , , References: <20120518060914.6F9CD2D06EB@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't seen them pre oiled either. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dennis Culligan" ; Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters > Huh...every k&n I ever bought had the oil already applied to the filter. > I don't think they sell them dry. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Dennis Culligan" > To: > Subject: [TR] K & N air filters > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 17:04 > > > Re: K & N air filters: > > The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. > > My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. > > No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so > you > can tell if you've > > completely covered the entire surface area. > > YMMV. > > Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 07:23:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9498A2D0656 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:23:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2CF2D0507 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 05:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so5540939dak.14 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sTQqjpMqc6XLVKxLge6KUbrHuSQ3fRM/sYdSrC3gL5E=; b=OKywDif3fNdb26GGwN4mqLx2MonXu9dv5C90zZiVNCDO0Q2T0E8S1vZAK/7qGVIwgP s6pnBod1GiwNtTEKL82Db/9qowLBtzBI5efhMg8cTGCy41F69K5rTZYZXWndXP7DRpXO 8sAoUxH2d7qp+E1BdlQPuERgzu5M2+6n8YhTMH/dojSYBm1d9NKY60IcKjbK9AYFtnHa IUsI1mLZPv9k/B2VnFNmjWNNWiaWFqyqbl3WWcEmL+BOKkCEczvHWoW4pTm0FohYidgL Z3gE4BFOeETReGtnGz8gX8eJkd4Gw06gXiKj1u0utk8Hr4K8NIETYBlyusdfNIVKQmVq aVqA== Received: by 10.68.200.68 with SMTP id jq4mr38705219pbc.42.1337340789821; Fri, 18 May 2012 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-32-93.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.32.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kd6sm12536028pbc.24.2012.05.18.04.33.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 May 2012 04:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB63371.7050604@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 04:33:05 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] winshield "tape" X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/17/12 3:30 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm working with the material I got from TRF for the > windshield but so far am scared to death I'll break the glass with the present > stuff. Just seems it'll take way to much force to get the windshield in the > frame. There are certain jobs that go easy and quickly if performed by people who do it all the time. Jobs that can take a long time to do for a first timer or someone who does it once a decade or lest often. Jobs with a fairly high chance of ruining something or not quite getting it right but being committed. I put installing window glass in that category. So I had a glass shop install the glass for both my vehicles. No fuss no sticky goo everywhere. I figure part of the restoration process is knowing what to farm out to the people who do that type of thing all the time and do it well. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 09:11:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1342D063F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:11:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4018C2D0630 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 06:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY167-W130 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 05:26:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.60.180.198] From: Bob Rochlin To: , Truiumphs Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:26:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 12:26:26.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[71875670:01CD34F1] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] winshield "tape" X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, The product is called 3M Strip Tape, part number 051135-08578.Bob > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 15:30:29 -0700 > From: nafzigerg@yahoo.com > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] winshield "tape" > > Someone on the list several days ago mentioned a 3M tape that worked for him > on installing a tr-3 windshield. He called it...............3M EPR Tape. > I've asked for it at the local NAPA store and they didn't know what I was > talking about. I also got on the 3M web site and found various tapes but > nothing specifically described as EPR. Just wondering if there was another > part number to go by? > I'm working with the material I got from TRF for the > windshield but so far am scared to death I'll break the glass with the present > stuff. Just seems it'll take way to much force to get the windshield in the > frame. > > thanks! > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/r_rochlin@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 09:13:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6232E2D064B for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:13:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2702D0630 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 06:48:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BQYJ1j0011ZMdJ4A7Qp46Z; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:49:04 +0000 Received: from [10.255.86.77] ([174.254.153.103]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BQoo1j01B2E6yAu8cQosa4; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:49:02 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?QWwgU2FsdmF0b3Jl?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?RGVubmlzIEN1bGxpZ2Fu?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:49:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120518151309.6232E2D064B@autox.team.net> If they're red and wrapped in plastic, they're oiled. So far, I've got them on the mg, the triumph, the tiger, the suburban, the mini, the morris, the Riley, and the highlander. All came ready to go. I suppose its POSSIBLE they sell some somewhere that aren't. I buy them on line. Perhaps k&n sells a cheap, non oiled filter over the counter and the premier ready to go variety only to me! ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Dennis Culligan" , , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 06:18 I haven't seen them pre oiled either. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dennis Culligan" ; Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters > Huh...every k&n I ever bought had the oil already applied to the filter. > I don't think they sell them dry. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Dennis Culligan" > To: > Subject: [TR] K & N air filters > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 17:04 > > > Re: K & N air filters: > > The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. > > My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. > > No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so > you > can tell if you've > > completely covered the entire surface area. > > YMMV. > > Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:11:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BA22D0626 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:11:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788ED2D04F1 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39so204379qaf.2 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6hwskYlGsyqwQ4oBYLNZBc/K0vzk2hxXYE9HcQVXOq0=; b=L1I6buTzCSyzDbNOQdaTwkVVlNW4FZeBfWX9jO7QYI4oPC3p+FoBme3oKZj6NHfJF+ eKY+yw2vEu+5tLpjlXEsdW8H5yINv6SuTo0J9eLAsKK7psFpXShpvSIx/dHAiGScUKyq unQh30APaI9hojgfrLmvGwnaZGP4xEdCl3Vo22qiqQg5D3OMlZr52Q6Gl+a1hxM6T/4S KktnAstDCn59OmnUR0ZU72YF2M+GGT4qeCCknM9OXdUtTKvz5cHKz/FZUcUe7TBwU9HO hJtXsEsK6GCXfneuUrZJ8MRonaxqfF4f9S+dDFYqZEQktTd/PfpTys5wBaP3yyTDOgmx p+gg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.230 with SMTP id y6mr688417igm.20.1337350590233; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.123.81 with HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:16:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120518061031.52DA82D077E@autox.team.net> References: <20120518061031.52DA82D077E@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:16:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The one I just got appears to be oiled... http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/VW/KN.jpg Not for a TR... I prefer to not use them on those engines but for my rear engine vehicle that sees a lot of dusty mountain roads I thought it might make good sense. Geo ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dennis Culligan" > No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so > you > can tell if you've completely covered the entire surface area. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:12:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F262D066F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:12:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BEB2D04A6 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-43511925.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.25.37]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M4800IX52GBRMC0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:19:23 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan In-reply-to: <0M4700L62Y9SWPA1@mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> To: spook01@comcast.net, 'Al Salvatore' , triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <000c01cd3501$39be1390$ad3a3ab0$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac009Jwlwz32QO7DT+WMi+yq6er/LQADC8Cw References: <0M4700L62Y9SWPA1@mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, that explains it b Ibve never seen one wrapped in plastic. I wondered how they kept the oil from running all over and damaging the packagingb& Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / Land of the dry K & N filters From: spook01@comcast.net [mailto:spook01@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:49 AM To: Al Salvatore; Dennis Culligan; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters If they're red and wrapped in plastic, they're oiled. So far, I've got them on the mg, the triumph, the tiger, the suburban, the mini, the morris, the Riley, and the highlander. All came ready to go. I suppose its POSSIBLE they sell some somewhere that aren't. I buy them on line. Perhaps k&n sells a cheap, non oiled filter over the counter and the premier ready to go variety only to me! ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Dennis Culligan" , , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 06:18 I haven't seen them pre oiled either. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dennis Culligan" ; Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters > Huh...every k&n I ever bought had the oil already applied to the filter. > I don't think they sell them dry. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Dennis Culligan" > To: > Subject: [TR] K & N air filters > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 17:04 > > > Re: K & N air filters: > > The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. > > My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. > > No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so > you > can tell if you've > > completely covered the entire surface area. > > YMMV. > > Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:17:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DDE2D066B for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:17:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B892D062B for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BR4N1j0061u4NiLABSXGgK; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:31:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.7] ([76.127.105.211]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BSXB1j00R4ZgrnQ8hSXGoQ; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:31:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: William Pugh In-Reply-To: <4FB63371.7050604@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:31:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5E11F487-E26B-49CB-860A-81E3628FE30F@comcast.net> References: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4FB63371.7050604@gmail.com> To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] winshield "tape" X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What She said !!! My windshield install cost $25.00, certainly cheaper than a new Windshield. On May 18, 2012, at 4:33 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 5/17/12 3:30 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: >> I'm working with the material I got from TRF for the >> windshield but so far am scared to death I'll break the glass with the present >> stuff. Just seems it'll take way to much force to get the windshield in the >> frame. > There are certain jobs that go easy and quickly if performed by people who do it all the time. Jobs that can take a long time to do for a first timer or someone who does it once a decade or lest often. Jobs with a fairly high chance of ruining something or not quite getting it right but being committed. > > I put installing window glass in that category. So I had a glass shop install the glass for both my vehicles. No fuss no sticky goo everywhere. I figure part of the restoration process is knowing what to farm out to the people who do that type of thing all the time and do it well. > > Teriann Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:16:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9AA2D0634 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:16:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1286E2D04F7 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net gary i silicone sealed mine and my buddies in place. here is how i did it. i cut pieces of electrical tape 3/4" long. i positioned them on the edge of the glass so that 1/4" was on the front, 1/4" wrapped around the edge and the other 1/4 was on the back. i placed 5 across the top and bottom and 2 up the sides. i kept adding layers of tape until the thickness was just an easy but tight fit into the frame. then clean the inside and edges of glass with lacquer thinner. assemble the frame around the glass and center the glass in the frame. check that the top tenex wont interfere and the side screws wont touch. apply masking tape in a few areas so that the glass wont move in the frame now. for ease of clean up later, i wiped the frame carefully on the outside with a tiny amount of polishing wax. i then pumped black silicone caulking into the joint between the glass and the frame. when caulking the correct method is to "push" the caulk bead, not pull it. by that i mean when you place the caulking gun at the joint you will have it laying back at about 30 degrees to the surface. when you start to pump the caulking out of the gun the bead of caulk will be behind the way you are moving the gun. if you look only at the tip of the caulk you will see a little bubble form. the trick to caulking is to keep that little bubble the same the whole time you are pushing the caulk. those of us who have been in glazing for a while can push a bead that requires no clean up. you will probably make a mess. don't try to clean up the mess. wait 2 days and then clean off with a sharp razor..carefully so as not to scratch the glass. the frame you waxed will let the sealant peal off by hand. after 2 days you can flip the frame over and do the other side. you should use a good quality silicone sealant. you cant get good quality at the box stores, they are all siliconized. best stuff is Dow 795 or tremco silpruf. can be obtained in tubes from crlawrence.com i have a tube at home that has about 3 months of shelf life left that i probably wont use. im happy to ship it to you if you decide to go this way. Frank From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: [TR] winshield "tape" Someone on the list several days ago mentioned a 3M tape that worked for him on installing a tr-3 windshield. He called it...............3M EPR Tape. I've asked for it at the local NAPA store and they didn't know what I was talking about. I also got on the 3M web site and found various tapes but nothing specifically described as EPR. Just wondering if there was another part number to go by? I'm working with the material I got from TRF for the windshield but so far am scared to death I'll break the glass with the present stuff. Just seems it'll take way to much force to get the windshield in the frame. thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:17:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3B22D0625 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:17:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EFB3B2D042A for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.10] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 15:42:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 369619.7206.bm@omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2014 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 15:42:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337355779; bh=kKHjlAF2TEjwRfSzq5wduGhKr6jFkC9oV/F2Ic5r2jg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U84Ap0+GDkROasU1lqIXznEkCqG2kT/9J/q+H1d3vmjRFls2270cqLK8AktR1A4tgiiSzju8ew6sVrflffGwVTnDBSDsmJ2j/9E9bTo75CCMclgi0XRyNo0VKqB+1rA9/vCfqRi7dMeDkQkj9AVvcZi8gDIw7LICksGcR7mlAIQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oTDyNeK2JRbNw/726nxyfUPsx98BaQjY0095nJ5FgKwvvfRl7TJYPAtd7EBEcQ/UGo8cDHHWikUScIUchoaRZzMn2AHUaCHIoTKDLGf5qJnNTCpPSErIY0833Gi7AHtgzYEeUni1penRErp27Uy8aD3hFYrCu284NQpxHReJgHc=; X-YMail-OSG: XgwLdbYVM1k8b1C71ETQ5DiS9hy0fynECswPFT3GjwhlK7k KdIXWYfiHjKyCWGL3CeiCM73Oq2iCy0tZEiqfW6zTRKvXYkDiHrDCYT0_JfL .2xFX3UB4uWQpj9Dfri3hdPkIJmJf3TP.KBnqUD78zH9JZJRMyLBa_DErK9f wID2ZLU0ry_6En.xzeji5ma0IKbg7vI8B7URTRptGGcSvT9MxY1kf_VGFx3w .7Pm6LVIQ18g3LrS3qhXLgk2S_lBWF8ooQLyqgIVQBI7y59OTyQxSOBqPbO8 tIx5M_f33E7Y9LNb8RpeSphXoE5l7MjR7JSe7rKQ2Z3O8y0wSaHcN33bZ8vp MS5puzTBCiEcwos0yy6zaH8Ak7JIhTwm8eq819ZFVSI0wChRMtC1yWLDPPic IrKRafJTX.bp12l1zzFoGkKl934lqQa8GOmitjMkBu0iSdBCqo2z9k3gWVBd 2HhmJuK_farkWbWhRtCz379xSsm_JinamH7.RN4SOY0Ygpon.3vxY5QAe2xA nT0fjreI- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:42:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120518061016.96C312D06C8@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1337355779.95768.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "spook01@comcast.net" , Dennis Culligan , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <20120518061016.96C312D06C8@autox.team.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net but they do dry out in time and need a little love especially here in the California desert Frank From: "spook01@comcast.net" To: Dennis Culligan ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters Huh...every k&n I ever bought had the oil already applied to the filter. I don't think they sell them dry. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dennis Culligan" To: Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 17:04 Re: K & N air filters: The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so you can tell if you've completely covered the entire surface area. YMMV. Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:23:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1C02D0447 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D39A2D03B9 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BNPy1j0091swQuc51V133f; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:01:03 +0000 Received: from sz0048.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.100]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BV131j01129kwV03bV13yf; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:01:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:01:03 +0000 (UTC) From: tfansher@comcast.net To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Message-ID: <159428220.761066.1337360463172.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4FB63371.7050604@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.42.38.82] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Was winshield "tape" now tenax pegs.... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There was a discussion about a while back (years) and the general thoughts were that there are various thicknesses of "tape" available and the pros have a wider availability than we have.B There's probably some variation of thickness of glass and rechroming the frame will alter the gap,etc. So checking with a pro about the different thicknesses could help if you still want to do it yourself.. My 2 cents worth comes in before you install the glass.B I think historically we all installed the glass then the tenax pegs along the top edge and IF they were too long, we cracked our windshields and got to start all over again....ask me how I know......so the second time I installed the tenax pegs first and if they were too long, I used my cut off wheel and ground them to the proper length from the inside of the frame....nice and tight and no guessing...on another note, I think the glass probably shouldn't slide up as far as the pegs anyway, but that's hard to stop if the glass starts to move when you're installing the lower portion.... Tom 60 TR3A 61 TR3A 62 TR4 73 Stag ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:33:05 AM Subject: Re: [TR] winshield "tape" On 5/17/12 3:30 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm working with the material I got from TRF for the > windshield but so far am scared to death I'll break the glass with the present > stuff. B Just seems it'll take way to much force to get the windshield in the > frame. There are certain jobs that go easy and quickly if performed by people who do it all the time. B Jobs that can take a long time to do for a first timer or someone who does it once a decade or lest often. B Jobs with a fairly high chance of ruining something or not quite getting it right but being committed. I put installing window glass in that category. B So I had a glass shop install the glass for both my vehicles. B No fuss no sticky goo everywhere. B I figure part of the restoration process is knowing what to farm out to the people who do that type of thing all the time and do it well. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:25:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2879F2D061D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:25:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway15.websitewelcome.com (gateway15.websitewelcome.com [69.41.255.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3F22D04CC for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 7968F620E9168; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1DE620E9145 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SVQho-0002tj-Bj for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:08 -0500 Received: from 208.87.137.231 ([208.87.137.231]) (proxying for 208.23.240.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0A2373@017-CH1MPN1-022.017d.mgd.msft.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:08 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator52.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32208 500] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - automate-it.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: /var/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /var/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Source-Auth: leexray X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGVleHJheTtsZWV4cmF5O2dhdG9yNTIuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== Subject: Re: [TR] Oil for K & N Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The answer to "do they come pre-oiled" is right on the K&N web site "FAQ" page, question number 10: 10. Do K&N air filters come pre-oiled or must they be oiled before using? Almost all K&N air filters come pre-oiled and ready to use. The filter oil we use is red. A new oiled filter will appear red-pink in color. Some crankcase vent air filters come unoiled, however, they come with a small packet of K&N filter oil so they can be oiled before use. There are also a limited number of filters with specialty uses which are not pre-oiled. These items will be clearly marked as unoiled. Using an unoiled K&N filter will greatly reduce the filter's efficiency and void our product warranty on filters that come pre-oiled from the factory. If you receive a filter that is packaged in its cellophane wrapper and is unoiled, contact K&N's Customer Support department at (800) 858-3333. (see http://www.knfilters.com/faq.htm#10 ) So the real answer is "Maybe"... Lee ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:27:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17382D066D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:27:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A9B682D0656 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 17:18:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.168] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 17:18:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 17:18:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 617919.6653.bm@omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 552 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2012 17:18:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337361497; bh=pM3NSpz+F8stkdUz8RssLyS6Ob2YaLnLqkHz7K3104o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dyQbGVLS/T35/LxmnXwAYoXlQ2A/CdKU8QjWe4C7DqvAggXloo1VYHr/hPgW5sNII4zVUN43HWnCzh/HomArbqJDBCB0DvJ+8gTfbjUWZt/z3nsbOxe77HEzLHX26VIEw5Jns5/jioEYWaJwWrwDAQXRnJBCA0CrSveoR4Jx5XU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jwm56+xpCRZ3X/+KosczAfhDg/15T72bPUCcd/gkrupXPe//nhvMqSItrGZOlfcAAUXA9IgPg//wZmSUiLlZG/midg5kgjxp4s34urdic7GbwM82jV3FmlwIArqGqFwWpzp2kdjBfXtOm7qBG5aUZmUeJyB7XZ5aACQ999m3R/4=; X-YMail-OSG: owiWJnIVM1lzIHah34NwGXO5PV3w1gpCq_qp6SI6By.9815 omssyB.Ypb_7BGT71TM3ovQLatBUkiN3mP0J3kHfKE999Vcvf8xd4z.d06AR 8uItq0qZ9Hmk5twlePOZE9TrXdtM8Oec8okr3lu6keUCSyLJoyqbcCR2khFk tEsmouaorf.UdsOxU7cGhJpH1dSYZgPLug6XSca2EcXkUOrupwNW1SUcq0e0 M78rabDf4tyoX9hpyPNa_Sh4Ka7HRb2n3edgm2t_fTmJ2sXICLegGBSvXld. 1PROQVxYaKT4kRusKK6zOkCh5UtYyKVimiy5gUQBmIDRbw8YAI3vvhj5xAsi MKCHbBdTku7nINu_RzJtuMW18VU4Pe3phaeZf1uYigyiL7Jx2KDrLq3CNij4 nUWj9kVlojB_sbfEdcLfWodfN1AQbyYiY7k7qxV3I2nyG.JFosff1nZrsa_6 qRbnVcZHnF5sgAu2U0aknwMgNB0fqhbU- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:18:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <0M4700L62Y9SWPA1@mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000c01cd3501$39be1390$ad3a3ab0$@net> Message-ID: <1337361497.85381.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Dennis Culligan , "spook01@comcast.net" , 'Al Salvatore' , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <000c01cd3501$39be1390$ad3a3ab0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dennis there not all sloppy drippy wet. there just moist Frank From: Dennis Culligan To: spook01@comcast.net; 'Al Salvatore' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters OK, that explains it b Ibve never seen one wrapped in plastic. I wondered how they kept the oil from running all over and damaging the packagingb& Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / Land of the dry K & N filters From: spook01@comcast.net [mailto:spook01@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:49 AM To: Al Salvatore; Dennis Culligan; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters If they're red and wrapped in plastic, they're oiled. So far, I've got them on the mg, the triumph, the tiger, the suburban, the mini, the morris, the Riley, and the highlander. All came ready to go. I suppose its POSSIBLE they sell some somewhere that aren't. I buy them on line. Perhaps k&n sells a cheap, non oiled filter over the counter and the premier ready to go variety only to me! ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Dennis Culligan" , , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 06:18 I haven't seen them pre oiled either. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dennis Culligan" ; Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters > Huh...every k&n I ever bought had the oil already applied to the filter. > I don't think they sell them dry. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Dennis Culligan" > To: > Subject: [TR] K & N air filters > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 17:04 > > > Re: K & N air filters: > > The cleaner stuff is very similar to Formula 409. > > My local FLAPS sold me both the cleaner and the oil for $10.95. > > No new K & N air filter I have ever seen is pre-oiled. The oil is red so > you > can tell if you've > > completely covered the entire surface area. > > YMMV. > > Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 15:25:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBAF2D03DA for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:25:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7132D0623 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BVea1j01f1ZMdJ4A3VfANb; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:39:10 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BVfA1j00r3uShJ48cVfAWm; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:39:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs-owner@autox.team.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-ID: <1603137131.16235.1337362750419.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [TR] registration hoax? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net registration hoax? I got a mail that said I was about to be dropped from triumphs list. I do NOT want to be dropped. Is this an attack hoax Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 15:33:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7352D04AC for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:33:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157CE2D0504 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=rF5w3ll4Sa4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Pl92mCbFS7wesQTNEscA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:31116] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 09/44-29249-2C596BF4; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:32:34 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <1337293829.78155.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4FB63371.7050604@gmail.com> <5E11F487-E26B-49CB-860A-81E3628FE30F@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <5E11F487-E26B-49CB-860A-81E3628FE30F@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: <019101cd3524$97fce300$c7f6a900$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac01GkGfvbjAxP/CR0SwAIIYdWZ+sgACd3zg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] winshield "tape" X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > What She said !!! My windshield install cost $25.00, certainly cheaper > than a > new Windshield. Ditto, but that was a long, long time ago. I carried the glass and the frame into a "auto glass" shop down the street. They installed the glass into the frame (using a rubber strip that they supplied). As I recall, the charge was $15 (in 1977 or so dollars). More recently, I got a quote of $150 for insurance purposes. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 15:34:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1DD2D04E6 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:34:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63792D0612 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=_EkfaMsYfUFuY0WJIGUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OHktG6pVxKgA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:31167] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B4/9B-07741-B0796BF4; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dennis Culligan'" , , "'Al Salvatore'" , References: <0M4700L62Y9SWPA1@mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000c01cd3501$39be1390$ad3a3ab0$@net> In-Reply-To: <000c01cd3501$39be1390$ad3a3ab0$@net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:38:03 -0700 Message-ID: <019201cd3525$5c9345b0$15b9d110$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac009Jwlwz32QO7DT+WMi+yq6er/LQADC8CwAAj4PIA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know there are some folks out there who buy "raw" K&N filters and then repackage them along with the metal parts to mount to SU & ZS carbs. Perhaps the repackagers are the ones that oil them and wrap in plastic? Just a thought. Personally I intend to stick with paper elements for the street, as I believe they do a better job of keeping dirt out of the engine and I'm willing to sacrifice a horsepower or two to avoid having to re-ring every few years. But then I drive probably 10,000 miles/year, while some folks will never put that much on their TRs. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 19:38:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE602D048C for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:38:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9846A2D0453 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL104-W32 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s8.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 15:11:34 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [189.251.218.187] From: Douglas Hungerford To: , , , , , , Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:11:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 22:11:34.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F9ECE30:01CD3543] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] (no subject) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Easy ways t0 make m0ney fr0m h0me http://telewizjaslaska.pl/httptomonzz2.php?ucutopID=242 Fri, 18 May 2012 23:11:33 __________________ But she said shed set up for him a while anyway, and keep alight burning so he could see it. decoda aelfdene ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 21:41:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2382D03A5 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:41:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003532D04BB for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so6827601pbb.14 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NhTIwRTo3sS9tpyjsNhRhlEhxIdkdZZ3oMyFfm8VbOk=; b=XwHwoo/CLGYkLUMQZbZz0uk291QPsQctfqnKbW8iPZ7dNOtjGEY7Q5kwOXF99yKfRp Z6N8QiUZGOmdEdG3UwoVsCdsoXn02hRX+KvcmRPVJ0PDoR2lPNo7makNv9NsPKkKOg9Y lCvBANY7FAcECF3oy/1R+/4H+RRvObb+UF6zqFFCNupn55hwVdgTpuYvEjZ2MMUV0+fp 6s4QC3OfHseQEOHyvQGtTdxBNF1rPZa7urdUG0vEmcE4aoP93NCTKUcm49aooC5mDNBo R3dwJV594imlp83Bg+Chn2peL42N5aqEP19qP3+Co8gguc4VIVUUgDbhaoBG1Tcbx7DP ddJA== Received: by 10.68.191.106 with SMTP id gx10mr1015900pbc.161.1337386160284; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-32-93.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.32.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id in7sm5719609pbc.23.2012.05.18.17.09.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 May 2012 17:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB6E4AD.102@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:09:17 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20120518061031.52DA82D077E@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > The one I just got appears to be oiled... > > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/VW/KN.jpg > > Not for a TR... I prefer to not use them on those engines but for my rear > engine vehicle that sees a lot of dusty mountain roads I thought it might > make good sense. > Say what???????????? For an off road vehicle your #1 choice should be an oil bath filter. Your #2 choice should be a spinning prefilter in front of a paper filter (think Donaldson earth mover 2 stage filter systems) Your #3 choice a box of paper filters Your last choice before no filter would be an oiled foam filter such as a K&N. A k&N will filter out low flying birds, rocks, gum wrappers, small children, but not fine dust. Them folks who get paid to race off road with K&N filters completely rebuild the engine after each race. Breaths really well but foam filters do not filter out fine dust. You can use one as a first stage to a 2 stage filter system but they are not as good as the spinner 2 stage systems. Teriann TR3 with itg oiled foam filter Land Rover with Donaldson 2 stage earth mover type filter system ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 05:09:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546642D04A7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:09:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E469E2D043F for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bn9i1j0020b6N64ACnA5mc; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:10:05 +0000 Received: from [10.243.150.239] ([174.254.123.248]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bn9r1j00L5MgM1a8Pn9vXn; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:10:03 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?VGVyaUFubiBKLiBXYWtlbWFu?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 06:10:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519110938.546642D04A7@autox.team.net> This "k&n won't filter anything" is a myth, unsupported by any objective scientific study. Oil bath filters are great if they are serviced and you can put up with the mess. Since most of us aren't driving earthmovers, I'm pretty certain using a spinning disc is overkill. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 19:09 On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > The one I just got appears to be oiled... > > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/VW/KN.jpg > > Not for a TR... I prefer to not use them on those engines but for my rear > engine vehicle that sees a lot of dusty mountain roads I thought it might > make good sense. > Say what???????????? For an off road vehicle your #1 choice should be an oil bath filter. Your #2 choice should be a spinning prefilter in front of a paper filter (think Donaldson earth mover 2 stage filter systems) Your #3 choice a box of paper filters Your last choice before no filter would be an oiled foam filter such as a K&N. A k&N will filter out low flying birds, rocks, gum wrappers, small children, but not fine dust. Them folks who get paid to race off road with K&N filters completely rebuild the engine after each race. Breaths really well but foam filters do not filter out fine dust. You can use one as a first stage to a 2 stage filter system but they are not as good as the spinner 2 stage systems. Teriann TR3 with itg oiled foam filter Land Rover with Donaldson 2 stage earth mover type filter system ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 06:09:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EECF2D048C for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:09:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D5B2D043E for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so7397140dak.14 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:10:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TLlHErNkAE4WoSE8AlcssRthVLph1hm6RdVmNo3bN6s=; b=ukGbzso4/U8MesWqX5MB5UEfVBZjXxq6yMODHQf+Rw9Q4ykt/RZNGE0WUqjDwnvL5c GCQyESCAAcf/VisJmrZ8B5bQ6P9GXzaJuGqRFBTpHSenF1JT6VcG+YetPQuyJJ1nf0Xa /wkXCWgMjDlcHYREHDTMGgfmw0oqoH5vIzCjXoGPBX35Wa3467CatTwCvXM+Hl7qT57S ht34U+4TSgCubeiYGnmRNCp0C4MK6GdDVYhUlLiAQHWm5qgvQqxp3x7Tp5kJ2DxeLcju Vq0gSBOELu/h/7jTkUu4UtO8Z6+3oN4hUKXvkc+35vEDPiZV4wDg3hWRk3Ve1eJLUwXB 5Kmw== Received: by 10.68.223.71 with SMTP id qs7mr12963882pbc.13.1337429429434; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-32-93.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.32.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pe2sm6633286pbc.59.2012.05.19.05.10.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 May 2012 05:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB78DB1.9080302@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 05:10:25 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "spook01@comcast.net" References: <4fb77f8d.08e9440a.33e0.1b57SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4fb77f8d.08e9440a.33e0.1b57SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/19/12 4:10 AM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > This "k&n won't filter anything" is a myth, unsupported by any > objective scientific study. I have a friend who shipped his Land Rover to South Africa for the Land Rover 50th anniversary festivities. He has about 40 or 5 months of Land Rover club travels throughout South Africa with various Land Rovers planned out. In preparation he had his engine completely rebuilt by a well know reputable Land Rover engine specialist. To which he added a fresh K&N filter. There are parts of the South African bush where the dust kicked up during travel included diamond dust. About half way through his travels he had to stop for an engine replacement because his truck did not have enough compression to run. Diamond dust got through the K&N filter and destroyed the engine's rings & badly scored the cylinder walls. ALL the locals used the stock LR oil bath air filters without problem. My friend completed the trip with a stock Land Rover oil bath air filter After being side lined a week because of a "myth". The expedition travel style 4X4 crowd that uses a vehicle for long off road miles in dusty situations do not use K&N filters. Only newbies and people who venture off road on relatively rare occasions. > Oil bath filters are great if they are serviced and you can put up > with the mess. Service intervals depends upon use in heavy dust but is usually about he same as with a paper filter. It consists of pouring out the old oil, wiping the inside of the reservoir clean and refilling to the line with either fresh oil or used engine oil that has been run through a paper filter. Having lived with one for about 20 years, it is not any messier than changing the oil & oil filter yourself. With a cartridge oil filter usually less messier. > Since most of us aren't driving earthmovers, I'm pretty certain using > a spinning disc is overkill. Yes it is overkill on a street vehicle unless you are running a commercial vehicle and have to figure engine maintenance into your profit & loss columns. Most commercial long range trucks run a 2 stage filter system on the road to squeeze every mile out between engine rebuilds. But the original post was about a K&N filter used off road in dusty situations. Under those situations a paper filter can become clogged in a day or two unless there is an effective prefilter in front. a two stage filter system is not overkill for off road travel in dusty trail situations. With 34 years experience with long range travel off road in a Land Rover I thought I would throw in my two cents. Teriann > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > To: > Subject: [TR] K & N air filters > Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 19:09 > > > On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > > Not for a TR... I prefer to not use them on those engines but for my > rear > > engine vehicle that sees a lot of dusty mountain roads I thought it > might > > make good sense. > > > Say what???????????? > > For an off road vehicle your #1 choice should be an oil bath filter. > > Your #2 choice should be a spinning prefilter in front of a paper > filter (think Donaldson earth mover 2 stage filter systems) > Your #3 choice a box of paper filters > Your last choice before no filter would be an oiled foam filter such > as a K&N. A k&N will filter out low flying birds, rocks, gum wrappers, > small children, but not fine dust. Them folks who get paid to race > off road with K&N filters completely rebuild the engine after each > race. Breaths really well but foam filters do not filter out fine > dust. You can use one as a first stage to a 2 stage filter system but > they are not as good as the spinner 2 stage systems. > > Teriann > TR3 with itg oiled foam filter > Land Rover with Donaldson 2 stage earth mover type filter system ... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 07:26:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A3F2D0467 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:26:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.60]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 635512D0405 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 13:23:48 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.251] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 13:23:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 13:23:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 809549.37436.bm@omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 94932 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2012 13:23:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1337433828; bh=oDDkU/4Ni1VYZPq6R5ZhcK9kBRL0EwB4JFC5wpGADHs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4ZiUqajNqigl8aAVTDscMP02f1YGnqtNTz6tV6EnxLVlzvp3vAaU01LFdx8uKUgaIxRh9t+1Xo5zbXu+/fr7iJWBAjhxynrW2wz4SU9Mr3E9zeezAJGvFQpl8FjAkmueaf/C7H3gXiS++An9TL7pSyMh6jHzZbugOMpM3gDoSNM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X2o5fwMqp45M7SqLytpwacXl9Jmt9t8mB/WhRNiIEMOX7YTw6KocbW9T617z+pvoh9KXX97asbP3OOIy/6eUGH19FXV38kSmMgHhQO4NGIbeAtjY0aBoLWl5XDEduvPfqskfcLUJcgP8/UpXTKJygovvv9qaTcDNUcO5sdGqoes=; X-YMail-OSG: Gdc8WccVM1lMUDgBcMdccmfghvSDrV5z.aS2AJIgnqDWCsY 6awacuN6InAMhWGlsbzrC2I3GBFKDYI1Vxyd3FzaGya31NTCWr9jQG8jVT37 jyJv82HxicKhlQ7uqH3RBw_DYrhmCP7dAtEiEO1uGyfXOPdi1LL6LZegboEF hZ9ShB.v._bV3O8KnJw9I7P7bs7bwhKeaqBaR7LYVjWYq9F0SsE.l6mRw.zg LkfhF8K74.0bR1L9cXMV2Aa5Rfpe2euYPFzP_vlXtxT__K0N8Fkb_Ncjdn.c MrPUBY4n_VHHqUE0w5.reExNwvsi64fLq73V9771zxXEAsao54XK7wrbgsj. n8rqo7bFmoH0c7VPIYKSr1LGPsdzOFYv1Y2Mn6.bf1v7PYAkU Received: from [212.139.245.154] by web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:23:48 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120519110943.ED0FA2D0475@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1337433828.94822.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:23:48 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <20120519110943.ED0FA2D0475@autox.team.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net IMHO, the KN filter is a waste of money. I had two on my Triumph 2000, noticed nothing in terms of 'increased performance' (but then I don't believe such claims anyway) and certainly no increase in the amount of filth the KN retained in comparison to my conventional Unipart paper filter. That said, mere observation is an inaccurate method of efficacy measurement but I was and still am far from convinced. I've also asked many people if they believed the advertising hype, seen increased dirt retention or felt the KN was a better option? The answers have been 'No' in all cases - but perhaps those people were all grumpy old *b*****s" just like me? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 08:35:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883F82D04C9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:35:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com [67.231.153.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C122D0286 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0002344 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4JERnZn020024; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:35:43 -0400 Received: from dm0202.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 14w96m9nwh-1; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:35:43 -0400 X-Eon-Dm: dm0202 Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9bfa) id dm0202.4f90dc8d.4086560; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:35:42 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQNqwPlPt6++VKSU+QIAAAAC,db44f3d17e1e9df72c2c2971e656f2b2 X-Originating-Ip: 67.235.155.250 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Robert Jones In-Reply-To: <1337433828.94822.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:35:41 -0500 Message-Id: <088490CC-B9E4-451F-9BCE-1BB7AD323425@wfeca.net> References: <20120519110943.ED0FA2D0475@autox.team.net> <1337433828.94822.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: John Macartney , triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-19_03:2012-05-18,2012-05-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205190120 Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John an All; Every English car magazine and many Englishmen pretty well treats everything automotive originating in the USA with disdain. Could there be a little of that creeping in here? Bob On May 19, 2012, at 8:23 AM, John Macartney wrote: > IMHO, the KN filter is a waste of money. I had two on my Triumph 2000, noticed > nothing in terms of 'increased performance' (but then I don't believe such > claims anyway) and certainly no increase in the amount of filth the KN > retained in comparison to my conventional Unipart paper filter. > That said, > mere observation is an inaccurate method of efficacy measurement but I was and > still am far from convinced. > I've also asked many people if they believed the > advertising hype, seen increased dirt retention or felt the KN was a better > option? The answers have been 'No' in all cases - but perhaps those people > were all grumpy old *b*****s" just like me? > > Jonmac > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjones@wfeca.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 10:08:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339E92D044E for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:08:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC8882D044E for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:08:55 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.241] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:08:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:08:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 651519.76235.bm@omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 96325 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2012 16:08:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1337443735; bh=nE1u+uhaXdGLiNDxn7vTYuM+ALjF6pjnxf0WoVeaWsQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QlHTwNyHQcbPzSXnWNKxTkaHhw2/DDeOfzNTd8GmeIuygxPvKW8itaI1B6iW2Lk0t/AJ3O644Bmwbi08XgF0C2WoZha0Uk3M7MaDiT5LRISOaBxWMXG5sGnZOe3yRU6eG4amoQbOOyavBRXqowOQCvW5089szuShjp9wDX0aXOQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q0Wn9puNNBSIi9QaZN1v8K5GShLMv5x9qxo0IzxiJotci6RfSue61kTX0rYdJbQQVbiaSpS8l20R9Yrsszc/RxvXmCoyed3DlRTB0ANG8SYM9VnuSqpO2K2pyaIk0XRYocfimnjzkfCe3Y9udAP0r1RuaEYkVvNVO3ogvSEq0j8=; X-YMail-OSG: J3Q2KzEVM1lOTjiRXRoOWH0fiDkduOOSsiBQAPmQIbHxWLX K3m1DoBaXVLPnaKK5LYGS_SHQLBj5VUtrZ2bfy26u7aEREkdexBDy7hZw4wb NjgHMnjqVSYPSoEaAxER9SGTWqHlLYsFc7DC2cab1Y_TN0LQ65t2vOucB9MY YXK0mmJI1roS7FErKBs9C3Q0Axqzq5EAkOKg6UEtv7874wbiKCzf6aSXLITd EGY4X0IAMznFjNKCZYEiI9Fby.f3uC4vep87h.F5aGW2Ogo3pqIrbmfNPy8T qo3fB5C4jrqhYGquaOKMrVJOE04PunLBGBwOAbOLvpJ5t2lfmDdTkMN2tOHq 03anBNhu2zDPQaYVty5MVFs1yuuyrTZwdrSt2uQzqxHLvYhveEYrI91aUVOm bp_uM.82YY7a0oyb7xnhKYT_N8CG952fR4UC8BZWUjpkVxQ-- Received: from [212.139.245.154] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:55 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120519110943.ED0FA2D0475@autox.team.net> <1337433828.94822.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <088490CC-B9E4-451F-9BCE-1BB7AD323425@wfeca.net> Message-ID: <1337443735.56545.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:55 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Robert Jones , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <088490CC-B9E4-451F-9BCE-1BB7AD323425@wfeca.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Bob I had absolutely no idea until getting your post that KN was of American origin/manufacture :) so *very, v-e-r-y* sorry to one and all if I inadvertantly trod on patriotic toes. I still think it's a waste of money and in the same vein as using synthetic engine oil in our engines. In the case of the oil though, I applaud its use in modern engines because the operating pressures and temperatures are so much higher. But for power units of forty plus years (or more) ago, give me good ole mineral 20/50. And for old engines with a bit of 'slop' in bearings and gaps you could drive a horse and cart through, my favourite strawberry conserve (with or without the fruit) would probably be just as good as an alternative. John ________________________________ From: Robert Jones To: John Macartney ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012, 15:35 Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters >John an All; > >Every English car magazine and many Englishmen pretty well treats everything automotive originating in the USA with disdain. Could there be a little of that creeping in here? > >Bob >On May 19, 2012, at 8:23 AM, John Macartney wrote: > >> IMHO, the KN filter is a waste of money. I had two on my Triumph 2000, noticed >> nothing in terms of 'increased performance' (but then I don't believe such >> claims anyway) and certainly no increase in the amount of filth the KN >> retained in comparison to my conventional Unipart paper filter. >> That said, >> mere observation is an inaccurate method of efficacy measurement but I was and >> still am far from convinced. >> I've also asked many people if they believed the >> advertising hype, seen increased dirt retention or felt the KN was a better >> option? The answers have been 'No' in all cases - but perhaps those people >> were all grumpy old *b*****s" just like me? >> >> Jonmac >> >> >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjones@wfeca.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 10:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474772D043A for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:23:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968192D042F for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:23:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=RAzK9vFDAAAA:20 a=9NjezYGJAAAA:20 a=iWsfvkdhTEq4rwvZ-lQA:9 a=XU1ZNcDUs_HphSK9HGoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7MNqvPGVk2AA:10 a=uWcEzHKHLH4A:10 a=oue5hGuqiI1XHPPp:21 a=5LzNxnGuAhJHWkkk:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B2/7C-29249-329C7BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:24:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <20120519110953.D459F2D046E@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:24:00 -0700 Message-ID: <113901cd35db$ccf87f80$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac01sAZPUkf5FHFqQVWHnNXm8vyXeAAKQxhQ In-Reply-To: <20120519110953.D459F2D046E@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > This "k&n won't filter anything" is a myth, unsupported by > any objective scientific study. On the contrary, every objective study I've seen shows that the K&N filters are at the back of the pack as far as both removing and holding dirt. This one is a bit less "scientific" but quite valid, IMO. Notice in the very first photo, how much dirt went through the K&N and got caught by an ordinary paper filter. http://goo.gl/fkMJJ Want something a bit more quantitative? Try this one: http://goo.gl/eQAuW Note, I fully agree, these tests don't show "won't filter anything". The K&N will stop 90% of fine (according to ISO) dust, which is a lot better than the stock TR3 screens will likely do. But when an ordinary Delco paper element filter will stop over 99.9% of fine dust, that means the K&N is letting through 100 times as much dirt. Also, it certainly depends on your environment. Some areas likely don't have much fine dust. But Los Angeles not only has a LOT of dust, it is extremely abrasive. If I don't wash my car for a week (which admittedly I almost never do), and then wipe my hand across the paint, the dust will leave permanent scratches! I don't know, but I believe that much of the dust is actually very fine particles of broken sand, created by dust storms in the desert and carried here on the breeze. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 10:24:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6172D0507 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:24:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 666022D042F for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:24:36 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:24:36 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:24:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 16:24:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 903058.23478.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19931 invoked from network); 19 May 2012 16:24:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=DrZkmiXpG5ljjxYUSmtJGXcsbC5MR+I1RLEbpSz1MO1ioEhRn04iGA9QtiNeNIHcYIRosonavSEKShvFNUAUgl8Yna7rqKVhEHqd7hQBm4V0dpwjUKtiYdytTDUG52RTDYPammo4ufHj/64c0i10emwr2fvAEKciC/HMmehRvk0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1337444675; bh=mW2w9YY+r6VKNoiU5BIbCci8jq4bZ8TsgIRxe8/6zmQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=tA84GMvMpEZeGuJVo/kpre/bsTF9awFVAV7ymji1ruRnMrNYoXu9A3nHzFmYYKDIUDPQaYY1pJkQh16XV4FvshtYSl0xrx5cK+9LrMsXVye5yra/R+0xU3lXFLb/CS/RlTqJKXMntBNEqmLQ+LKacbsE9eCxYTngCNN2Hf9Y/OI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: zAPv6QsVM1ligI19DVFyMDGKQu0CiehdPWyX33X2JFtHZnI GUS1juSpg.UEnMhDFk1RC6rPVp4dfWTzy6xTk884y0uYqePQbq6xMonSU1og v53L9E1GuXtF59TRgPs5kVYNlrnb9jRNHWOd5op9LRcDvlCY1nGoSaJvEF95 JcD_LDPVQU8oGZQZj5SmUaBYKogM0GL2Ft5dBGaY38jhY1nBV71USsZ1IiNU nZqggl5mZIWXZVa2_0pchfJQYqynHh__6jFkGvcebsxIDJjQ.0jdAzwRrDjz 0EUzCwdoxfNhMqDWZnH72YDtTRqq8DQ3e4dL6bDFvuW7XYJ9l3h6NY1PrbS6 A1bU16Tal0x0Rvjx4TMuQ.K7M6zFC1z994GSH7RojIQzXuCK2tt9xsNduXcd 48opf6zetr1ijBkfSmdbbPCWDGLSS6RGEZPwiMqtzxUr0XWI68aJGheVh8Ek 6ZoZSwlOfXNdRQdtAwSzLenZVe.fTuwpAbMgnLR6lT7IgrTSA3Z3Hx6X0n72 VSlQIsw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2012 09:24:35 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:24:19 -0500 Message-ID: <5D0F0B324C0145B6BA87875E34A850C0@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0129Zu5Lp2NKQCQD6JF1GHPYKuyg== Subject: [TR] Master or Slave problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All was good then one day I had to pump the clutch pedal a few times to get it to disengage. First thought, air in the line or low fluid. Fluid was good so bled the line... twice... no soap. So, I suppose I need to narrow this down to the master or the slave cylinder. Both were rebuild just 4 years, 3,500mi, ago and have been performing flawlessly up until now. Is there a way to determine whether it is the M/C or the S/C, so I can maybe have a chance of starting in the right place? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "Hello, my name is Bill and I own an old British car. Now...What are the next 11 steps?" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 10:34:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C0D2D04D7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:34:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5032D0467 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:34:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=ZTFvXOpFge0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=uyHurBNWv4xTMu0HHxQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A3/90-16302-BABC7BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:34:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumph List'" References: <5D0F0B324C0145B6BA87875E34A850C0@bboffice> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <113d01cd35dd$4efe8500$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0129Zu5Lp2NKQCQD6JF1GHPYKuygAARaDw In-Reply-To: <5D0F0B324C0145B6BA87875E34A850C0@bboffice> Subject: Re: [TR] Master or Slave problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there a way to determine whether it is the M/C or the S/C, > so I can maybe > have a chance of starting in the right place? There is basically no way for the slave to fail, except to leak fluid. If no leak, it's not the slave cylinder. And even if it does start leaking, the leak will likely be slow enough that low fluid will be the first thing you notice (not having to pump the pedal). Check out the MC first, definitely. But your description sounds suspiciously like the dread broken taper pin. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 11:45:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9622D042F for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:45:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 31AF32D03C0 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 17:45:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=swbell.net; s=s1024; t=1337449538; bh=6VeE7rz/RwEFDschzpxUvPPwFtS02cdeNuehuG1xqPM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=c1btxpVVjIWV2LIebIxDKOseEX0qzN+q5+FZbLPhiFxUWjh91fr/4+tgonmEM+ajsFY3iANfcXBfgN5JKq1rH72XfvBEzbHqH1cWdZETO7xKAwD8LEA9t0nIYqPK+xSRXI5J77uOApHOOIeJmcJwq/eenZqYCO5JbrcKbn8itwM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 655046.14062.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ba1mlQoVM1kALy1J.EmncVmtZvOPsV0ZLeq.bbsSsIP1Hgf fConjgCuwvO8R1ra1dtml0Nl4xmX0KgR83_hQ3qQ_4wkBGDxDrn4uzSk19hg RZwHWrS5DqFVstyIIzwcahfA51EMz9Rt5JLt_fN1YUO5i2z2gAsjxCtEXpwd Ip91tVKrybolEWysKIdCwK0.KDSBdCeRFLoOUEdwjAJBhsvrH9Mhu3ysNQ4I OUHhGsMC1oSquMsO96Ln_LjJx9jkyeAz2RQb4RWDcRpYkdjZ7S0HedaOLShd WSNkCeDiwqJsBuhqGym45tR8AqBcDLosS5tRp1MxgOyko6RtJgVYoOQV8Cq_ mne3cIgv3_yfbohGbtE9YZhKhrLRzcEzI7VXafPVbjl1mIYmTofq30F7EdQ9 bePD3IirQO_EHkqCkq8N1s1Gf8WTaUp0YpeOiIqJy.U0DZazcPITZUY370.Z yHU1wZDX6IiXZMb1nHJ68kDRN18weTyClC3BUMg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: d3dj1qeswBCm7vw2X2.yJ8llk.tHWIOmu9QhC2qRoF0IJwiOig-- Received: from Jameson6157 (scott.jameson@99.68.47.115 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2012 10:45:38 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "Scott Jameson" To: Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:45:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've owned a TR-3B since the mid-90s and drove it occasionally, up until 4 or 5 years ago. At that time, I took it to a local British car shop to see about having the battery tray replaced and was told the frame was shot. Not too surprising, as it was a northeast car originally, but certainly disappointing. The car has been sitting in my garage since then, while I've contemplated doing a full restoration, and I now realize I don't have the time, money or know how. The car is mostly complete and appears largely unmodified. It does have a non-functioning electric fuel pump and doesn't currently run. The engine appears to be original, based on the BMIHT certificate, but I don't know if it was previously rebuilt. I've also accumulated various parts, primarily from TRF, along the way, such as a clutch, exhaust system, brake lines, etc. My question is what's the best way to try to sell this car ? I know about eBay, but are there more specialized sites ? I believe there's some value in it, even though it requires a full restoration. I have enough emotional attachment to the car to hope it could go to someone with the wherewithal to restore it, as it seems a shame to lose one of these after 50 years. Thanks for any advice or ideas, Scott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 12:25:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995AA2D03E2 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:25:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782482D030C for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:20:17 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1337451657; x=1338056457; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=CsOIg2xXFNFsHQP+LazVe+pw8PRWrEo80+LlOmGbQLU=; b=C3f CH2eOoK3dskJEsfF1hJF9S1dNAU3N0JI+S0OFFmG0xt4kNMxvo12ue+nHpGMOTzf GS0CUI/ljXXslPtAbYRjh7x0zrPJXOWiM/8vGOwqGyjG0Wr+2coFhHwzzPd9qZLi PaEoJnJxsGYaaNc29Zi7F7pbCFthGyGZLzbWfByk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=l7kqAoF1oQOvRPflJokTexZtS8A0UDzjLNmw8V2y/WKARUDQk9wOdguG+fh2 X+SZswPOf7P2m8+x90V1CsDIF2LZFZzKyfNwCp9AkpOxRQWEp4/JvwXsh 2NjxswMB0vRs3r5QHrGyOQyidy5Un2qvpZj5i80E48eJH81KQHsNnA=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Sat, 19 May 2012 14:20:57 -0400 Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 36-md50000110387.msg for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:20:57 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Sat, 19 May 2012 14:20:57 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120519:md50000110387::bVMnfPutOL8Welqa:00001PEO X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:17:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" In-Reply-To: <1337433828.94822.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: IndieFIlmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the past I have installed K&N filters on my motorcycles and my TR6 for the following highly technical reasons: /start technical reasons 1 - They look pretty. 2 - They let me fit nice shiny filter enclosures /end technical reasons They certainly do flow more easily than paper filters. Just put them on a 2-stroke motorcycle and watch it stop working due to the changed intake vacuum level. Unfortunately it is probably also true that the flow improvement is due to less effective filtering. Faut souffrir pour etre belle. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 (with triple Strombergs and K&Ns) -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: May-19-12 9:24 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters IMHO, the KN filter is a waste of money. I had two on my Triumph 2000, noticed nothing in terms of 'increased performance' (but then I don't believe such claims anyway) and certainly no increase in the amount of filth the KN retained in comparison to my conventional Unipart paper filter. That said, mere observation is an inaccurate method of efficacy measurement but I was and still am far from convinced. I've also asked many people if they believed the advertising hype, seen increased dirt retention or felt the KN was a better option? The answers have been 'No' in all cases - but perhaps those people were all grumpy old *b*****s" just like me? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 12:26:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4832D0409 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:26:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207032D0383 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BuPk1j0010FhH24A7uSg9e; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:26:40 +0000 Received: from [10.247.210.8] ([174.254.154.198]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BuST1j00p4H68UW8UuSXjP; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:26:38 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:26:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519182604.3E4832D0409@autox.team.net> If so, I advise you to file a false advertising claim with the Feds. That would be the FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection. False Advertising. Won't cost you a dime to file. Those of you in California and other states have state agencies in addition to the Feds, and all these agencies take this sort of consumer fraud VERY seriously. K&N is a multi million dollar business doing business world wide. If they're lying it is your moral duty to file on them. So, if you really KNOW something and aren't just repeating stuff off the internet, slap iron. Written in a friendly, nutritive, and supportive way, of course. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 11:24 > This "k&n won't filter anything" is a myth, unsupported by > any objective scientific study. On the contrary, every objective study I've seen shows that the K&N filters are at the back of the pack as far as both removing and holding dirt. This one is a bit less "scientific" but quite valid, IMO. Notice in the very first photo, how much dirt went through the K&N and got caught by an ordinary paper filter. http://goo.gl/fkMJJ Want something a bit more quantitative? Try this one: http://goo.gl/eQAuW Note, I fully agree, these tests don't show "won't filter anything". The K&N will stop 90% of fine (according to ISO) dust, which is a lot better than the stock TR3 screens will likely do. But when an ordinary Delco paper element filter will stop over 99.9% of fine dust, that means the K&N is letting through 100 times as much dirt. Also, it certainly depends on your environment. Some areas likely don't have much fine dust. But Los Angeles not only has a LOT of dust, it is extremely abrasive. If I don't wash my car for a week (which admittedly I almost never do), and then wipe my hand across the paint, the dust will leave permanent scratches! I don't know, but I believe that much of the dust is actually very fine particles of broken sand, created by dust storms in the desert and carried here on the breeze. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 12:56:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DD72C040A for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:56:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D12D03AB for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:48:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=lMW8zEc-O9gBTCekrH4A:9 a=V95RBbYAHoWGpsiea74A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dlV7a2M9WLVs0Lm:21 a=fQHvEeF86wjcYsVa:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 54/EA-05935-92BE7BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:49:14 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <96.39.14000.2E5E7BF4@cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: <115c01cd35f0$16767ea0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac017PCsZ35XvtkVQ76s4mhZVWEpnQAAKqXg In-Reply-To: <96.39.14000.2E5E7BF4@cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > If so, I advise you to file a false advertising claim with > the Feds. Examine their ad copy carefully. Nowhere do they claim that their filter will remove even as much dirt as other filters. It is a "better filter" because it flows more air. It removes "99% of dirt", but they don't say what kind of dirt; small boulders perhaps. And the FTC is nearly toothless anyway. All they ever do anymore is wait a few years, then get a token settlement. The latest one against Sketchers is a perfect example, the company made over $130 million just in 2010; the FTC settled for less than 1/4 of one year's profits. If you're lucky, you'll get $20 back. (I'll forego the obvious political comment.) False advertising pays. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 12:56:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B0E2D03D9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:56:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C222D0297 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:51:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=SEHm-rgrjkDH_wXalokA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E8/2E-05935-3FBE7BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:52:36 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <20120519182614.2F9D82D04DE@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:52:36 -0700 Message-ID: <115d01cd35f0$8eca2cd0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac017P5hLhbYBYkKSBmjy/Y+6898eQAAzv8A In-Reply-To: <20120519182614.2F9D82D04DE@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So, if you really KNOW something So, where is YOUR independent scientific study, showing that it is possible to flow more air and stop more dirt at the same time, using the magic oil and one of the oldest filter technologies known to man? I don't need a study to tell me that perpetual motion is impossible. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 13:27:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0C32D03E2 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:27:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24642D03A3 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.31] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 399a00000035002d; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:26:16 -0600 Message-ID: <4FB7F3D3.7010101@dfn.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:26:11 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com References: In-Reply-To: Cc: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/19/2012 12:17 PM, Mark Hooper wrote: > In the past I have installed K&N filters on my motorcycles and my TR6 for the > following highly technical reasons: > > /start technical reasons > > 1 - They look pretty. > 2 - They let me fit nice shiny filter enclosures > > /end technical reasons > > They certainly do flow more easily than paper filters. I've only had limited experience with a K&N. My GT6 came with ones that, admittedly, hadn't been properly maintained (hadn't been cleaned and oiled to spec). It also burned oil at a prodigious rate. When I did an emergency ring job on it, the cylinders looked as if they'd been smoothed with fine sandpaper (virtually all engines that have been broken in properly and had the oil and filter changed to schedule will retain some evidence of honing underneath the cylinder glaze--this one had none). That said, most heavy-duty transit engines still use big canister-type paper filters. When I first started in that business, there were a number of failures of Donaldson filters, which Donaldson tracked down to shops using compressed air to blow dirt off of and out of the filters. Even at fairly low pressures, that practice produced microscopic tears that allowed quite a bit of dirt to pass through the filter, so they began recommending that their filters be tapped gently to dislodge caked dust and be reused until they no longer met specs, since they had found that the finest dust particles tended to plug the pores in the paper advantageously--they stopped the small particles from passing the element. (This is a practice that's probably unsuitable for normally-aspirated gasoline engines, since most big diesels today have turbos assisting cylinder charging, which means they can tolerate a bigger pressure drop across the filter, and most HD diesels have _really big_ filters with lots of excess capacity.) But, still, most cars today typically run paper filters, and thanks to the minimal bore-washing that occurs with good engine management and fuel injection, will typically run several hundred thousand miles with regular maintenance. Moreover, for most Triumphs, the real limiting factor for flow is the engine itself, not the carburetors or the air filters. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 15:02:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F1A2D0379 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:02:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE2D2D034B for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BwVk1j00827AodY51x2wPZ; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:02:56 +0000 Received: from [10.227.223.96] ([174.254.115.98]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bx2j1j01227T4jS3fx2n27; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:02:54 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519210227.12F1A2D0379@autox.team.net> Ah, but think of the hit a much larger company would take.. I think you should turn them in and let attorneys parse their ware touting. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 13:49 > If so, I advise you to file a false advertising claim with > the Feds. Examine their ad copy carefully. Nowhere do they claim that their filter will remove even as much dirt as other filters. It is a "better filter" because it flows more air. It removes "99% of dirt", but they don't say what kind of dirt; small boulders perhaps. And the FTC is nearly toothless anyway. All they ever do anymore is wait a few years, then get a token settlement. The latest one against Sketchers is a perfect example, the company made over $130 million just in 2010; the FTC settled for less than 1/4 of one year's profits. If you're lucky, you'll get $20 back. (I'll forego the obvious political comment.) False advertising pays. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 15:49:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB24E2D03A8 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:49:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578A12D034E for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:43:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=SoEpwu-e10BgkPideLQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 84/68-29249-21418BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:43:47 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <20120519210240.5ABA82D03DF@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:43:48 -0700 Message-ID: <119d01cd3608$79d36db0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac02AtVMM08c7obsQfega0Rvd7Mt/wABIxCw In-Reply-To: <20120519210240.5ABA82D03DF@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Ah, but think of the hit a much larger company would take.. What much larger company? > I think you should turn them in and let attorneys parse their > ware touting. No, no, it was your idea first. You go right ahead and waste your time, I'd rather enjoy my Triumph. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 15:55:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260A22D03B9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:55:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2A02D0379 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BxHn1j0071wpRvQ5Fxw1uu; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:56:01 +0000 Received: from [10.227.223.96] ([174.254.115.98]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bxvo1j01127T4jS3exvs0u; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:55:59 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:55:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519215529.260A22D03B9@autox.team.net> I am not claiming they are lying about their filtration claims. You should report them if you truly think they are engaging in false advertising. We all know you can hook a filter up sufficiently fine to stop micro particles. You could put a hepafilter on the car. You would have fewer particles for the half hour before it filled up. So what? Not a good filter. The only study I'm conversant with is one conducted by Professor Frank Chambers. He studied design of filters, boundary layer flow, etc. Interesting reading on a long overnight. Some (operative word) paper filters may take out smaller particles at the cost of lower air flow volume and shorter service life than wetted cotton media filters. Maybe. You are obviously emotionally invested in your opinion on paper filters; fair enough. But you must acknowledge there is a tradeoff in filtration, as in all things. The 5 micron coarse size particle used in SAE tests has little effect on engine wear. Engines went for years with NO air filtration system. Thousands of miles. The filters on the TR3-4's were mere oil wetted coarse steel wool. They were washed out and re oiled. I think we can safely say they passed larger particles than do ANY current filter. Did the engines need re building every 10,000 miles? Of course not. To put this all in perspective, a oil filter traps particles between 10 and 15 microns. So, we worry about trapping bits one third the size of the things rattling around in the oil system? You must trade particle entrapment with air flow volume sustainability, and service life. I've seen 11.4 HP on the dyno merely with a switch to a wetted cotton matrix filter. That was a 5 liter v-8. My guess is that one might gain 2 HP on these cars with a k&n simply because the early filters have such little resistance. Every little bit helps! But to claim the k&n company is defrauding people by producing useless and inferior filters, as some have done on this list, is irresponsible at the very least. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 13:52 > So, if you really KNOW something So, where is YOUR independent scientific study, showing that it is possible to flow more air and stop more dirt at the same time, using the magic oil and one of the oldest filter technologies known to man? I don't need a study to tell me that perpetual motion is impossible. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 16:05:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2FA2D038D for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:05:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31CB2D02CD for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bxp11j0031swQuc5Dxxpzq; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:57:49 +0000 Received: from [10.227.223.96] ([174.254.115.98]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bxxd1j00M27T4jS3bxxg2G; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:57:47 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:57:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519220523.9A2FA2D038D@autox.team.net> I think they build a fine filter. It's only logical you take up the nay sayers banner. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 16:43 > Ah, but think of the hit a much larger company would take.. What much larger company? > I think you should turn them in and let attorneys parse their > ware touting. No, no, it was your idea first. You go right ahead and waste your time, I'd rather enjoy my Triumph. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 16:24:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0932D0401 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:24:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134EF2D034B for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:24:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=z7KilpX1vnvR1hRuRrcA:9 a=lBzbzKm1FtbA9SIhi5kA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=40I6epnj9GPWd_FG:21 a=-vtsBwW_RzqEnr4n:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3B/3C-16302-ABD18BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 22:24:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <21.C7.05737.1F618BF4@cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:25:00 -0700 Message-ID: <11b901cd360e$3b0ea530$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac02Ci3TBOiR/RxYTXa/exdimDzMfgAAXFBw In-Reply-To: <21.C7.05737.1F618BF4@cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > You should report them if you truly think they are > engaging in false advertising. No, I did NOT say that. What I said was that I believe, on the information I have, that they let more dirt through than the average paper element filter. I am still waiting for you to present ANY evidence to the contrary. > You are obviously emotionally invested in your opinion on > paper filters; No more than you are in your opinion of K&N. > My guess is that one might gain 2 HP on these cars with a k&n > simply because the early filters have such little resistance. Which is remarkably similar to what I said. But then how much do you lose due to advanced piston ring wear? > Every little bit helps! Depends on your goals. My goal is a reliable car I can drive every day for a long time. If sacrificing 2hp buys me another 30,000 miles without replacing the rings, I'm good with that. If it was a race car, I would feel differently (and might well run K&N filters if I ran any filter at all). But I would also be changing the rings every hundred miles or so. > Did the engines need re building every 10,000 miles? Of course not. Uhm, just how many miles have you driven a TR3 with those screen filters, in a dusty environment? I particularly like the comment in the owner's manual about "excessive" oil consumption being one gallon (Imperial presumably) per thousand miles. > So, we worry about trapping bits one third the size of the things rattling around in the oil system? Dunno about you, but I don't put in dirty oil, while the air is already dirty. And oil filters do remove particles smaller than 15 microns, just at a lower percentage. Since they get many, many passes at the oil, they don't need to be as efficient to remove the dirt. In fact, the early TR3s used a bypass oil filter and fed the mains with oil directly from the pump. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 17:08:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9132D03D7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25762D0369 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ByqY1j0011wfjNsA7z9H62; Sat, 19 May 2012 23:09:17 +0000 Received: from [10.227.223.96] ([174.254.115.98]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bz941j00K27T4jS8jz97KJ; Sat, 19 May 2012 23:09:15 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:09:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519230845.7E9132D03D7@autox.team.net> Below. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 17:25 > You should report them if you truly think they are > engaging in false advertising. No, I did NOT say that. What I said was that I believe, on the information I have, that they let more dirt through than the average paper element filter. +you certainly inferred at the least. What is an "average" paper filter? I am still waiting for you to present ANY evidence to the contrary. > You are obviously emotionally invested in your opinion on > paper filters; No more than you are in your opinion of K&N. +depending on application, I use either. Some of my cars have no filter at all. > My guess is that one might gain 2 HP on these cars with a k&n > simply because the early filters have such little resistance. Which is remarkably similar to what I said. But then how much do you lose due to advanced piston ring wear?+advanced piston ring wear? > Every little bit helps! Depends on your goals. My goal is a reliable car I can drive every day for a long time. If sacrificing 2hp buys me another 30,000 miles without replacing the rings, I'm good with that. If it was a race car, I would feel differently (and might well run K&N filters if I ran any filter at all). But I would also be changing the rings every hundred miles or so. > Did the engines need re building every 10,000 miles? Of course not. Uhm, just how many miles have you driven a TR3 with those screen filters, in a dusty environment?+my mg m type has no filter at all. Niether does the mg pa. The engines lasted quite a while on the poor and unpaved roads of the thirties. The little m type went over the alps and back in '33 with out requiring an engine rebuild.I'm not sure the original silver ghost had a filter!I particularly like the comment in the owner's manual about "excessive" oil consumption being one gallon (Imperial presumably) per thousand miles.+the jensen healey claimed a pint per four or six hundred. But that was because lotus pawned the undeveloped engine off on them. > So, we worry about trapping bits one third the size of the things rattling around in the oil system? Dunno about you, but I don't put in dirty oil, while the air is already dirty. And oil filters do remove particles smaller than 15 microns, just at a lower percentage. Since they get many, many passes at the oil, they don't need to be as efficient to remove the dirt. In fact, the early TR3s used a bypass oil filter and fed the mains with oil directly from the pump. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 17:24:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC292D03E2 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F582D0375 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BzJf1j0040EPchoA7zKbnp; Sat, 19 May 2012 23:19:35 +0000 Received: from [10.227.223.96] ([174.254.115.98]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BzKL1j01W27T4jS8MzKR8Y; Sat, 19 May 2012 23:19:33 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519232434.CFC292D03E2@autox.team.net> And the HP 1 oil filter is rated at 20 microns. Go figure. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 17:25 > You should report them if you truly think they are > engaging in false advertising. No, I did NOT say that. What I said was that I believe, on the information I have, that they let more dirt through than the average paper element filter. I am still waiting for you to present ANY evidence to the contrary. > You are obviously emotionally invested in your opinion on > paper filters; No more than you are in your opinion of K&N. > My guess is that one might gain 2 HP on these cars with a k&n > simply because the early filters have such little resistance. Which is remarkably similar to what I said. But then how much do you lose due to advanced piston ring wear? > Every little bit helps! Depends on your goals. My goal is a reliable car I can drive every day for a long time. If sacrificing 2hp buys me another 30,000 miles without replacing the rings, I'm good with that. If it was a race car, I would feel differently (and might well run K&N filters if I ran any filter at all). But I would also be changing the rings every hundred miles or so. > Did the engines need re building every 10,000 miles? Of course not. Uhm, just how many miles have you driven a TR3 with those screen filters, in a dusty environment? I particularly like the comment in the owner's manual about "excessive" oil consumption being one gallon (Imperial presumably) per thousand miles. > So, we worry about trapping bits one third the size of the things rattling around in the oil system? Dunno about you, but I don't put in dirty oil, while the air is already dirty. And oil filters do remove particles smaller than 15 microns, just at a lower percentage. Since they get many, many passes at the oil, they don't need to be as efficient to remove the dirt. In fact, the early TR3s used a bypass oil filter and fed the mains with oil directly from the pump. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 17:45:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4DD2D0360 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:45:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E70BB2D033C for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5995 invoked from network); 19 May 2012 23:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (166.249.97.199) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.109) with ESMTP; 19 May 2012 23:45:46 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Scott Jameson'" , References: Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 19:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: <55403EED94EF48FEBCAD113839C0B2A4@DCH6RFC1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0150Xlv0DxaCEWSrGiaUKZOqBpZAAMc5Ig Subject: Re: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd be surprised the frame was "shot" without very significant body rot. I just bought a 1957 small-mouth which needed floors, sills, B posts, rear valance and a trunk floor - but the frame was fine. Why were you told this? You'd get a lot more for a restorable car than a parts car. Where are you located? If you are anywhere near MI, I'd come take a look. Andrew Uprichard 1968 TR250 1962 TR3B 1957 TR3 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Jameson Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:45 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? I've owned a TR-3B since the mid-90s and drove it occasionally, up until 4 or 5 years ago. At that time, I took it to a local British car shop to see about having the battery tray replaced and was told the frame was shot. Not too surprising, as it was a northeast car originally, but certainly disappointing. The car has been sitting in my garage since then, while I've contemplated doing a full restoration, and I now realize I don't have the time, money or know how. The car is mostly complete and appears largely unmodified. It does have a non-functioning electric fuel pump and doesn't currently run. The engine appears to be original, based on the BMIHT certificate, but I don't know if it was previously rebuilt. I've also accumulated various parts, primarily from TRF, along the way, such as a clutch, exhaust system, brake lines, etc. My question is what's the best way to try to sell this car ? I know about eBay, but are there more specialized sites ? I believe there's some value in it, even though it requires a full restoration. I have enough emotional attachment to the car to hope it could go to someone with the wherewithal to restore it, as it seems a shame to lose one of these after 50 years. Thanks for any advice or ideas, Scott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 17:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E298B2D04F9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:45:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC992D03D7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:45:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=-ubcc_9i3bdvuOU8rckA:9 a=68xdPAh6e12C1iBa4hoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UF6Aq15h7peI1SlR:21 a=gPhDK1YzDnY8Bu9J:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AC/09-16302-FA038BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 23:45:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <20120519230903.0F6232D03E3@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:45:51 -0700 Message-ID: <11cf01cd3619$86780fb0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac02FH7o81PaDzLbQ3ijFL3+sUOiowAAKV8Q In-Reply-To: <20120519230903.0F6232D03E3@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > +you certainly inferred at the least. Ok, it's obvious you haven't been paying attention. I said their advertising was not false, you're the one that said it was. They simply don't claim that their filter removes more dirt (or even as much dirt) as other filters. They do claim they flow more air, and as I stated, I believe that is true. The test results I linked to showed the same thing. Your arguments that clean air is not important don't seem persuasive to me either. I have seen a brand new Chevy 350 that was burning oil badly after only 1000 miles or so through the western USA (Pike's Peak to Iowa City, IA) with no air filter. My current 350 with a good paper element filter is not smoking at all after some 250,000 miles in similar conditions (and in spite of all the sand damage). It does make a difference. (Mine leaks more than I would like, just like my Triumphs, but I still get over 2000 miles to the quart and no visible smoke. It also passes smog test every time, which would be impossible if it was burning any significant amount of oil.) BTW, what exactly is your connection to K&N? My only connection is to a major world-wide agricultural equipment manufacturer (Deere), who uses mostly paper element filters in conjunction with various kinds of prefilters. Cost is relatively unimportant but long life is a major selling point, so I have to believe that, if their engines would last longer with K&N (or even produce more power with the same lifetime), they would be using them. But I have nothing to do with air filter selection (or anything else relating to powertrain for that matter). I'm done flogging this thread. If you want to believe that K&N filters remove more dirt, go right ahead. I won't agree until I see some evidence that they do. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 18:14:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB412D03AA for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:14:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98802D027E for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120520001518.CLDU12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Sat, 19 May 2012 20:15:18 -0400 Received: from Alan ([97.81.202.216]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id C0FG1j00V4gec2h050FJlm; Sat, 19 May 2012 20:15:18 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=QkZ_PksqrJIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:17 a=fv50BRHzAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=OAJOvkku5ciPFZxL-QgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ORsapS7FR98A:10 a=JMq7MF8IEeNzH+qSfxLznQ==:117 Message-ID: <045E64EB8A2D4CB5A6A049A05FDAB12F@Alan> From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Scott Jameson" , References: Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:16:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TRF has a classified. Theres also Auto Trader Classics, Hemmings, Craigs List, Oddle. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Jameson" To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? > I've owned a TR-3B since the mid-90s and drove it occasionally, up until 4 > or > 5 years ago. At that time, I took it to a local British car shop to see > about > having the battery tray replaced and was told the frame was shot. Not too > surprising, as it was a northeast car originally, but certainly > disappointing. > The car has been sitting in my garage since then, while I've contemplated > doing a full restoration, and I now realize I don't have the time, money > or > know how. > > The car is mostly complete and appears largely unmodified. It does have a > non-functioning electric fuel pump and doesn't currently run. The engine > appears to be original, based on the BMIHT certificate, but I don't know > if it > was previously rebuilt. I've also accumulated various parts, primarily > from > TRF, along the way, such as a clutch, exhaust system, brake lines, etc. > > My question is what's the best way to try to sell this car ? I know about > eBay, but are there more specialized sites ? I believe there's some value > in > it, even though it requires a full restoration. I have enough emotional > attachment to the car to hope it could go to someone with the wherewithal > to > restore it, as it seems a shame to lose one of these after 50 years. > > Thanks for any advice or ideas, > Scott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 18:33:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BC72D03BE for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:33:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD49E2D0366 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:33:14 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1337474037; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=ixOx0E9P5eQ9jBbBBv7DwQiiuZRYowLCAruu8SPol9nm6StcjV30ThfbIBzTMsVRN 0//CkCIPHK9iE28dGE/BAGeESdVbTJe7q/a0nimoyt5vq8E63TGztIZU1QK4lBqMm3 SzRg9BoZXUsNUK0bbNNlDYDnIAGnYSMU2Vje+9PM= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail12.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.152]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH5SQ9HATCHJ7J for (sender ); Sat, 19 May 2012 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: l0tzfbVg/zoqPq90CBJNEr87INvhfPNyn689cNBp1c4= Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail12.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R86HN6ZT; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:33:37 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail12.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 20 May 2012 00:33:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.214.163.54] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Matt" Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 00:33:07 GMT To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120519.203307.32281.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 5045 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3642725069 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.152|webmail12.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|mbarre@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net VTR has classifieds too ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Al Salvatore" To: "Scott Jameson" , Subject: Re: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:16:20 -0400 TRF has a classified. Theres also Auto Trader Classics, Hemmings, Craigs List, Oddle. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Jameson" To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: [TR] Best way to sell a TR-3B ? > I've owned a TR-3B since the mid-90s and drove it occasionally, up until 4 > or > 5 years ago. At that time, I took it to a local British car shop to see > about > having the battery tray replaced and was told the frame was shot. Not too > surprising, as it was a northeast car originally, but certainly > disappointing. > The car has been sitting in my garage since then, while I've contemplated > doing a full restoration, and I now realize I don't have the time, money > or > know how. > > The car is mostly complete and appears largely unmodified. It does have a > non-functioning electric fuel pump and doesn't currently run. The engine > appears to be original, based on the BMIHT certificate, but I don't know > if it > was previously rebuilt. I've also accumulated various parts, primarily > from > TRF, along the way, such as a clutch, exhaust system, brake lines, etc. > > My question is what's the best way to try to sell this car ? I know about > eBay, but are there more specialized sites ? I believe there's some value > in > it, even though it requires a full restoration. I have enough emotional > attachment to the car to hope it could go to someone with the wherewithal > to > restore it, as it seems a shame to lose one of these after 50 years. > > Thanks for any advice or ideas, > Scott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mbarre@juno.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 19:45:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB782D0379 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 19:45:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8191A2D0343 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 19:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C1f51j0020Fqzac5A1kksN; Sun, 20 May 2012 01:44:44 +0000 Received: from [10.238.114.246] ([174.252.153.29]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C1k91j00V0eKD2e3U1kama; Sun, 20 May 2012 01:44:42 +0000 To: "Randall" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:44:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?K_=26_N_air_filters?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120520014527.3EB782D0379@autox.team.net> I own k&n. I usually peruse the internet in order to mess with unbelievers.. My lawyers will be in contact with all of you. Lol rof. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , Subject: [TR] K & N air filters Date: Sat, May 19, 2012 18:45 > +you certainly inferred at the least. Ok, it's obvious you haven't been paying attention. I said their advertising was not false, you're the one that said it was. They simply don't claim that their filter removes more dirt (or even as much dirt) as other filters. They do claim they flow more air, and as I stated, I believe that is true. The test results I linked to showed the same thing. Your arguments that clean air is not important don't seem persuasive to me either. I have seen a brand new Chevy 350 that was burning oil badly after only 1000 miles or so through the western USA (Pike's Peak to Iowa City, IA) with no air filter. My current 350 with a good paper element filter is not smoking at all after some 250,000 miles in similar conditions (and in spite of all the sand damage). It does make a difference. (Mine leaks more than I would like, just like my Triumphs, but I still get over 2000 miles to the quart and no visible smoke. It also passes smog test every time, which would be impossible if it was burning any significant amount of oil.) BTW, what exactly is your connection to K&N? My only connection is to a major world-wide agricultural equipment manufacturer (Deere), who uses mostly paper element filters in conjunction with various kinds of prefilters. Cost is relatively unimportant but long life is a major selling point, so I have to believe that, if their engines would last longer with K&N (or even produce more power with the same lifetime), they would be using them. But I have nothing to do with air filter selection (or anything else relating to powertrain for that matter). I'm done flogging this thread. If you want to believe that K&N filters remove more dirt, go right ahead. I won't agree until I see some evidence that they do. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 16:51:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB822D02F2 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 16:51:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F13322D02EC for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 16:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 22:51:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.83] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 22:51:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 22:51:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 362517.7838.bm@omp1020.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6581 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2012 22:51:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337554281; bh=77kBKlG+rJ4i8jatdnY/iqP+VPi5osTarySJITcrOp0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pIvdTFqr/YRUMKea9WpSYN7Hcsfm06G7wnbXR8nNUZuu1h5leXE7UbbALUEzCqwwM2ESQwERZSGVHoW0Ca4BGqXoo0xDUL/zj4MrcZQDrCx/Ve5qDtwvOagKrF3Gn1r9s7rxb19dWtAUF/DSF3ebM7VzTZNF/jSw2/NKAqyLXyQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CP0a12VsNgAlWtEhW0H+3B2q/bV1qr/KDpv18XARDeZAiW84WHT1FbEMP1GDyj7HkzVVI4oxzD/9BO1zSpBvJEQ6jgOSlTW9YW/I3Gu9EJSeYB1x72chpKw228gkAK10deTJDnJESHlHNZM798hKLhm+VKX/eBRXRQmAn+VRXxw=; X-YMail-OSG: OsKK2JMVM1kw8Qy0KVkZe0ABrbDwe9SVSx0pXu7GTaXVmPQ l5Wn4HXdf8kz4yfZOzXjpocaaKkE9PZYXJhDeexkM43qjcEBb5DcmbluIG4t ice18ToAmZgozPy8w77T8lMDigGEQ3mcu.KvKgeHw1WDHPvGDmGeiyRazJEv JEh7YKR1iXJtRQy2zUMhoNcoyRqUGlD5q6_ObPn7ZgMUbmZHejSqIeZHTm4F b9tZEipB0dHp55Gk9SuXLhytFalyUb2vHDvT2qCkpoZTzUVd2xmXvKRqSkNT iGu3mu87dVMfN0TYUvloroqAxms33mc5Nm.uqMwStlhrEi3p.MbNxvtJR.Kj i9fF8XOpCpJZ8lJK35xg9klk.VKtrqWnVdMgQDKkIKLJLI78thClcVCcygF9 J9bP1x7h9AeKpSAxi0h13f95sFMBlcffoHRcl25ZiH4MJvcLhNeIWNH2NKYa kov5iOfhHFdAjnN6rIx24xRUZDLike4yIkXh9Zaq7F479pnzqJ60dMDtMpbg hXZGuAp1RXA-- Received: from [108.220.117.163] by web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2012 15:51:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337554281.80572.YahooMailRC@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 15:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Bill Brewer Subject: [TR] Great Video I Made- Absolutely No LBC Content X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We recently spent a weekend on a dry lake bed towing up an antique sailplane behind a pickup truck. We gave about 50 rides for free. I made a video and posted it to youtube. I am sharing it with the various groups & forums I belong to. I hope that the listers enjoy it, even without dripping, rusting and sparking content. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VGGt2l0yuI Bill Brewer - Tehachapi 1960 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 20:59:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FFD2D02FC for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 20:59:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19442D0281 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 20:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ALFA ([76.249.237.51]) by p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id CSzB1j00217DVQU01SzCPi; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:59:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Dave" To: "RedRiverTriumph" , Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] spitfire part needed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know this is a long shot; even on ebay there is one listed but is the wrong side. I need the driver side seat track. this would be the metal frame that bolts to the floorpan and to which the seat attaches. thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 22:33:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13882D031D for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:33:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723A82D02E1 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CUVl1j0021eYJf8A5UXRh6; Mon, 21 May 2012 04:31:25 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CUXR1j00C3uShJ401UXRDc; Mon, 21 May 2012 04:31:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 04:31:25 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: stag@digest.net Message-ID: <1267116752.88980.1337574685141.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <829898010.496344.1337159672514.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.180.154.189] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Where do I get Stag seat belt inertia reels? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ordered from Paddock. See pix: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157629752653826/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 05:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB42D02EE for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:40:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5867F2D02AA for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=kUSHYda-BbMA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5L4c40bF-RgVyyEbMw4A:9 a=heKyiUXqpo9gHjY3yWgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:47819] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/ED-16302-CA92ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:40:28 +0000 Message-ID: <4FBA2995.9040307@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:40:05 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave References: In-Reply-To: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] spitfire part needed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Is the part the same as a late TR4/TR4A? If so I have a set. Bob On 05/20/2012 10:59 PM, Dave wrote: > I know this is a long shot; even on ebay there is one listed but is the wrong > side. > > I need the driver side seat track. this would be the metal frame that bolts > to the floorpan and to which the seat attaches. > > thanks! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 18:16:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B272D026C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:16:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384A62D022C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL104-W34 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 May 2012 16:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [218.48.115.56] From: Douglas Hungerford To: , , , , , , Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:59:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2012 23:59:29.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2759C90:01CD37AD] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] (no subject) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Make money in the Internet. We show you how it works http://ledplus.com.tr/httpsz-cxw2.php?ohykgo=435 Tue, 22 May 2012 0:59:28 _______________ Aeronautics.The science of flying. jerrel afreda ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 18:23:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457852D0296 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:23:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66C92D0206 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170060pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4E00I60DXZA672@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 96.255.241.208 ([96.255.241.208]) by vznit170060 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:11 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <11172510.1048409.1337645591176.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [96.255.241.208] Subject: [TR] Valve lash adjustment procedureTriumph TR6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am trying to coordinate a british car shop to do a valve lash adjustment on my 1972 Triumph TR6. After reviewing the procedure, and then reading some forum and the Buckeye Triumph site, I just want to get clarification. Is it absolutely necessary for the car to be totally cold (some said 24 hours) before the adjustment is done, or is their no problem (if the people know what they are doing) with waiting a reasonable amount of time and then doing the adjustment? I have had the car many years and do not think this has been done for many years. Any input appreciated. Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 Vienna, VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 19:08:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98882D026C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:08:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1212D0212 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF4A2E086 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBAE6C1.306@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:07:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <11172510.1048409.1337645591176.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> In-Reply-To: <11172510.1048409.1337645591176.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> Subject: Re: [TR] Valve lash adjustment procedureTriumph TR6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Drop it off at the shop in the morning, have them do it in the afternoon and pick it that evening. Waiting 24 hours is not necessary, in my opinion. Maybe someday I'll measure the clearance on a warm engine that comes in, then again the next morning, see if there is any significant difference. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 20:14:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556362D0299 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715812D026F for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120522015408.JSCO1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:54:08 -0400 Received: from [25.23.61.227] ([66.87.73.227]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id Cpu51j00Q4uDroJ02pu7NE; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:54:08 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FBAF1C0.0008,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=s1i2RV+unmn3sLkEA3lf1Tj2LikDbZyRf9iEFo2x6J8= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QWBhdnNTlXL3MpFFooan2w==:17 a=0t806Qs8-a9uPOunlhQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QWBhdnNTlXL3MpFFooan2w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: Ronnie Babbitt X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:54:04 -0400 To: Triumphs Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [TR] Calling a chemistry teacher X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Daughter needs help with chem problem. Any chem teachers out there Ronnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 20:31:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671552D0283 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:31:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBEF2D0271 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120522021008.OVLB10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:10:08 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id CqA41j00d2TnnaX05qA8Bt; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:10:08 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=B6d24DrlYzcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=YwoC9cCcxRNLMx5HAl8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: , References: <11172510.1048409.1337645591176.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> In-Reply-To: <11172510.1048409.1337645591176.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <007601cd37bf$ff9a5cc0$fecf1640$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLosSOQLg5C3W4Y2Ju/gl/43O+n6ZSeHYtg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Valve lash adjustment procedureTriumph TR6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Mark's suggestion. Here's another situation. Some engines, such as older IH Farmalls, are listed with a hot clearance. That doesn't help much on an engine being assembled for the first time. I used to find that a cold adjustment with about 0.003" added to the hot spec. seemed to be just about right. Now, I wonder what we would have to do in an unheated garage in Siberia during winter?? Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of thenicholls@verizon.net Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:13 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Valve lash adjustment procedureTriumph TR6 I am trying to coordinate a british car shop to do a valve lash adjustment on my 1972 Triumph TR6. After reviewing the procedure, and then reading some forum and the Buckeye Triumph site, I just want to get clarification. Is it absolutely necessary for the car to be totally cold (some said 24 hours) before the adjustment is done, or is their no problem (if the people know what they are doing) with waiting a reasonable amount of time and then doing the adjustment? I have had the car many years and do not think this has been done for many years. Any input appreciated. Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 Vienna, VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 21:47:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8682D0290 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:47:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A2A9D2D0213 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 03:27:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 03:27:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 03:27:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 274426.46145.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19514 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 03:27:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337657236; bh=rkr0YdiniEWbW22GGPlTdF4vzTbubZvg7xYvonEccBQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KIrhNlFixIg7tuCvRJws7YrI+vsg2W3WGALp4WQ2jyZulOLrB28c3gP8+nybdInDnz21r1Aimbgf3tW/MOnsBurH08NMHNKuQXbOLB1i/STU+niH4ZL8m84/OMTXdPKPh9SS5RfVkVH/z11Oyknm5VQf4Vza2UP2HLB9wQHqABo= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=udvXtTfWlAe+Hc/+u8pU5Wg96Fh0FVH+FWSV1DddCemZXe2+MoY6x4cBILWVqfTJulhGpCVaIfgUsBUSHQpchJaOdsSt0K6fDeVPp4+YGF2jkefqN/DsuOTnP3oucDP3Bfa+LuSHTpmcjHAZryM/xxZZzSvBSN4gB3QMLhjyPQ4=; X-YMail-OSG: ajRdz8gVM1lI_9E.Cdiz9.I4ClMmh__xv8hrFfYF7_pwt1F GzS0JIIs7AQi5kIH7IHK8pixla72Mjdt6dRr0Et5sdKeU8qlk4X6WbPzobcu Z09h9iICX9MSk_SMM_w_dmmlKlEXvKpWB6UlsNyKbBRXkVMSW8QsoSx2XuPA U1iCyFKoh_icL8EIw0vecjttRPyGw75djOxB2lidZR1mPVnBV1mioQEZ_qlb AUYl7_OzeKmrksX.6QiUawJXh.uHTnUJgn4YTIpax489cMuq0rrzd4i46Iek JSD.yR_FEd.IkFqyVBYaRwmuHDS6m815jvrM8BQovliDXQv52WXWLH1SI7.C FnPjAUQPP3l2f1YWH87p7L9L3SlkWc657JgOolTnGTfVWe0UG.F87gIwipXz 573247.j1c5jtk8wIEQkZdjtSdIY53Gb0az1UpEenb3TBb65eN9mbXvH9X_G 19.NzEM.V2.pj9ETnUWaW7Jh531c4WuNJBroHJO.Yeqq2DZVUsgt1itbLGcl V3j.ezJcr7CmEE9ZwNubp18uzzRt7pJWoUshdRyJQekOzl1.ikrVAuozw7z2 zCRpuKGmTRswx2.t6vMM2xu5vLwwcmx2CoKkVbx2ysbaIKTNMorTq1ndkAVt zicigfov3pHqelHsXWYtmnL7aQhsu5_rN6CzhjplyxkV_OkSm76.qoPTMj55 4DugPIWYVVILVQS8R5JfFdtYZqHy2zhqr9XdguhvcPScuLt5UxA-- Received: from [108.220.117.163] by web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:27:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was just checking out an aluminum radiator offered on Ebay and was wondering if anyone knows if they are any good. It is pretty inexpensive at $299. I had my modified radiator (high efficiency core with no crank hole) recored about 10 years ago and am thinking about upgrading next time it needs to be rodded out. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HI-PERF-56MM-ALUMINUM-ALLOY-RADIATOR-TRIUMPH-TR2-TR3-TR3A-TR3B-MT-/261027253434?_trksid=m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8586468922649076480 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 09:01:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC69F2D0457 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:01:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DDAC32D041B for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 15:02:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 15:02:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 709678.308.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 90162 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 15:02:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337698942; bh=EoHmAg5Q9I9+5qJ48WtW3T4nIEMfDpr/wnlQo2i+jsg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gvVAKz31jfzj2HQDRyJocAbfK3ePjP12glDiRhL4yXBcaK4nTKl7/gHcslshRAA9MFfncnjWW8ugRK+zxqTg6KwIA1SoOdApDHGRANLFMPWFhEDVIajY8kaSeFDLlAIWSRyVBGWmnivGBd2KUekobz2rWUPCWsMTJ4r5w0wzQkA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HOuybeB0QGGsJi0yAU3k2wNHJSga0KBAA68tMETGvF4Cz1X2PrDISIn2dUlTGp6e+7TuwlZs1SZwYtDs+n+arSrLwSArpMUgUuPwZnhfniaD+vcDDyafKrqdOdk5y0N8jO4fkrQxDXdfK+iU10NanTq5xjkCxXDg0uMWQmGl2yE=; X-YMail-OSG: molzn0wVM1k4ddlpywJ.dyh0JHqvR0AqiFWqYoFxeyXi7WO XZQwl5AkBFOi4.o7iOz4AkxjTGAEyMa8.vSyZbcwvK9wy1VXz8D.Hyyh1_qZ EiVOlVIwkMsozQSaR.fr2jr_OX9mh4Y4m2Yz0S2cgPqQsFhfTLL5OiYTxmGe m5vHj2593ZiEU5ZKjS0oSgstpkdXLgy0W6Igd71z4BVaYfBZMA2iGQaAUJDb g7NW7px9wceGzK5ZXjCaLuFKByWazZkfj7rC4NMloagbqZMnvzbM1.DdxNhB DGl0xPxYiJS_qz6XF.Oq6rNACsRlkPFbEi4gH0nALtm2ydumHxC6tRo5d9pm NvfR4OkX751BnHpLuey5YnWfaMQdhwC.CfUhVJAIVbzgizhHxeoDJFEZj4Pn 6YIWo2n8GtVvqGNZgz7_ZGjKY53C8rtIx8j7vnJXk6aAb.Ohb4KtDJbZMoJR d7nHpLwu52QT.J7nr4PPrfpWymFApQxGb.rLE1bJinltxmBii_t45C.JaHPM ZiFrWSGt.OSTYFqguLPykRQkLRnY6YRmcsIzxpUKXgnjlJ7Fpb5_3D4wYHyW cwn6mk7CSgzx.5.BUn_hHn8CqbuCr5GqpM6_7e6yt9jukU7h3WVKBGSMhZdY yWeuOdPLZpqVzx_pQ Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:02:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337698942.62419.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: William Brewer , Triumphs In-Reply-To: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill i think the better thing to do is install a 14" electric fan. took care of all my problems. buddy has one of those ebay aluminum radiators. runs a 12" electric fan, but really needs the 14" Frank in Temecula CA From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:27 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators I was just checking out an aluminum radiator offered on Ebay and was wondering if anyone knows if they are any good. It is pretty inexpensive at $299. I had my modified radiator (high efficiency core with no crank hole) recored about 10 years ago and am thinking about upgrading next time it needs to be rodded out. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HI-PERF-56MM-ALUMINUM-ALLOY-RADIATOR-TRIUMPH-TR2-TR3- TR3A-TR3B-MT-/261027253434?_trksid=m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn% 3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8586468922649076480 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 10:48:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B982D04F6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:48:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4F32D04BF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=uuPW0OiYg7O45v6Ys8oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:64761] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 39/9A-05935-303CBBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:47:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:46:59 -0700 Message-ID: <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac03zb6mRjNY2ayST5COO5iNtJrXUwAa9kbQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I had my modified radiator (high efficiency core with no crank > hole) > recored about 10 years ago and am thinking about upgrading next time it > needs to > be rodded out. I'm not convinced that aluminum represents an upgrade. It does not conduct heat as well as copper, plus isn't as strong so it has to be thicker. It also corrodes easier and is harder to repair. Its main advantage seems to be that it is cheaper. If you already have a usable modern copper core, I'd stick with that. My old one wasn't usable, but I went with a new copper one anyway even though it cost a bit more. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 11:04:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4262D04F2 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:04:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E952D04D1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D4dp1j0080cQ2SLAA4zuVh; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:59:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.5] ([76.127.105.211]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D4zt1j00F4ZgrnQ8W4zt69; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:59:54 +0000 References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <3D3C4D39-DCC9-4319-B76B-7466846ED3D6@comcast.net> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: William Pugh Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:59:54 -0700 To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting, my aluminum radiator is exactly the same size as the original Aluminum IS stronger than copper, and DOES cool better, and. Is CERTAINLY not cheaper, does NOT corrode more if properly maintained, so just where all of R's "facts" come from? Sent from my iPad On May 22, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "Randall" wrote: >> I had my modified radiator (high efficiency core with no crank >> hole) >> recored about 10 years ago and am thinking about upgrading next time it >> needs to >> be rodded out. > > I'm not convinced that aluminum represents an upgrade. It does not conduct > heat as well as copper, plus isn't as strong so it has to be thicker. It > also corrodes easier and is harder to repair. > > Its main advantage seems to be that it is cheaper. If you already have a > usable modern copper core, I'd stick with that. My old one wasn't usable, > but I went with a new copper one anyway even though it cost a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 11:19:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9992D0501 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:19:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B14C2D04C5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so12355334dak.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dJ6Kuo4wOwddmjYYerFjZgjJuMil9PQL7Z5wszfsq0k=; b=I907rS1EZXaV943kr4RPzwrddkJrbEtyyjNkfSXtJI3ZNTk7mkY9BfV85USIcSvsNh a1CKfkdsuNo0INCZKQKJvmJpzjgBQusOoKtFcrklFEDf53pQJwA46LHDaNMfq24xxhC0 wDUxuHQ3/VW6ocYoSvw4OZ30prrJnnEWv+2daVXo4JZKC8idcM4hO+zEwtAJUXJsVLZB LBNM7x0oeW0GLFN+TF+j3Jj6qCz0JnfuVfUBd3d3oTdSeJSEQByYEhCYbsYAQ59F8w0F OmBG3T6OpRgayqxb67U/10tNVXwUJQqBR3zdEZum6eADBbDQDLJYSGNMcWUQcpi7H9AQ kACg== Received: by 10.68.197.99 with SMTP id it3mr376784pbc.148.1337706966579; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-52-124.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.52.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nw10sm25221473pbb.20.2012.05.22.10.16.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 10:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:16:03 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/22/12 9:46 AM, Randall wrote: > I'm not convinced that aluminum represents an upgrade. It does not > conduct heat as well as copper, plus isn't as strong so it has to be > thicker. It also corrodes easier and is harder to repair. Its main > advantage seems to be that it is cheaper. If you already have a usable > modern copper core, I'd stick with that. OK. Thermal Conductivity is the quantity of heat transmitted, due to unit temperature gradient, in unit time under steady conditions in a direction normal to a surface of unit area. This changes with temperature.(Btu/(hr degrees F) Metal - Degrees F - BTU/(hr degrees F) Higher means better conductivity Copper - 68 - 223 Aluminum - 68 - 118 Yellow brass - 68 - 67 Copper brass (70% Cu, 30% Zi) - 68 - 64 Cast iron - 68 - 27 to 46 Aluminum radiators do last longer with with a sacrificial zinc rod, anti freeze formulated for aluminum & distilled water. Do you have a pure copper radiator with pure copper rods? Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 11:37:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7A12D0530 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:37:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D515C2D04C3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 17:37:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.233] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 17:37:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 17:37:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 259786.2036.bm@omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80515 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 17:37:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337708260; bh=xEcyh3+rMkNMwakC7EFpG06Fv6bGtUI8T6tVZ/b2kTc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gZ5e7onwmcbJ1BoIEqyeNXZBylWT2Sx1cikFLHOgeRx0qF+AtYHBORREectzhhIIhvtWoyf6N/RaSbYorbosBDLTYsezZl2wGnBk9QoTn4qpIITK6nTiAyDI6Srufd4+SZLCeizeJT7Gx0OYjbLkzWqxpMiHhRMZb8csubaMI8E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d/6Fv7DV2PIIK+x1At/KTkYnxjrHT/40/mpEqmupQIUrxtxa45CEToThZpJFn+1ajaN9c/UkNMbl73c4UE1+2qsfTVJsfKEXpnaBJJb1NvYzealNVVRZwvtUk0KE2ysKYW/VCRPtWQklOSKI3mHKeLJNMTC2hzrOT1AZBDniRoc=; X-YMail-OSG: sUsZQUMVM1lCwX98DrVq8KqEiePNRJZrz8Hd4tTsVMIlLs_ FWYuQEmBREQBcgF3q1fYzmnK.O7_PyaI1TSCENfO0XeMEK44UubIJ8egUT6a TKoWUCRzfEe_I2edQ55Ru693N8AOMT8Yljx7Z92NgHs0R4frHEi24SVwZy6K VNpLqFxQJgzneWBPQE7CW5xsHmEI_pwMWEryRm0bzZMS1oYnCG8OIc60X.mx gs1LzLkkh_RqN5PAx9cD6P6UtX1S1oUajsH7uA96EUFCoPilBxbaRfyvghMl VkKJBP7pFvG3YKVl3SGV.jWQDk1jgQLP2fd2sCyASAO5fqQCf75TGyLY_5G5 tHWLdpf0LvomvdElWWssNa2_3R.8dZx7.ILu2Y3VnThN.yBDDvU7BHwlWyFO isq_7zMa6RzLnH_.NyaSSlXdguYkQr93M4Qzbmg_93K.0TLbGkGYZdOz1kek 8NbRPqfmM5Ny_MYq.xFxatk1G2w-- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:37:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1337708259.80485.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my crystal ball sees a Mr. Wizard science class in our future. :-) i have always contended that the heat transfer on black painted copper radiators belongs to the combination of the copper alloy (whatever that is) and the black paint applied over top. Frank From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators On 5/22/12 9:46 AM, Randall wrote: > I'm not convinced that aluminum represents an upgrade. It does not conduct heat as well as copper, plus isn't as strong so it has to be thicker. It also corrodes easier and is harder to repair. Its main advantage seems to be that it is cheaper. If you already have a usable modern copper core, I'd stick with that. OK. Thermal Conductivity is the quantity of heat transmitted, due to unit temperature gradient, in unit time under steady conditions in a direction normal to a surface of unit area. This changes with temperature.(Btu/(hr degrees F) Metal - Degrees F - BTU/(hr degrees F) Higher means better conductivity Copper - 68 - 223 Aluminum - 68 - 118 Yellow brass - 68 - 67 Copper brass (70% Cu, 30% Zi) - 68 - 64 Cast iron - 68 - 27 to 46 Aluminum radiators do last longer with with a sacrificial zinc rod, anti freeze formulated for aluminum & distilled water. Do you have a pure copper radiator with pure copper rods? Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 11:50:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927E22D04E9 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:50:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81502D04C3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NnWpNNR8iBxJDp0lkY0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:9503] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 28/06-05935-2A1DBBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:49:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: <012201cd3843$391b57f0$ab5207d0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac04Py/SFXhztJijSZasW3eJBahffwAAxa4A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Do you have a pure copper radiator with pure copper rods? Probably not, although I didn't submit it for quantitative analysis. But I'll bet you don't have a pure aluminum radiator, either. Aluminum is pretty much always alloyed with things like silicon and iron. > Aluminum radiators do last longer with with a sacrificial zinc rod, anti > freeze formulated for aluminum & distilled water. So does copper. You forgot to mention having to keep the antifreeze and sacrificial anode changed on schedule, not parking it in a barn and forgetting about it. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 12:03:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23692D0621 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:03:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A10C22D053D for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 18:01:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.238] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 18:01:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 18:01:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 387052.82142.bm@omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 12871 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 18:01:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337709678; bh=Pi2YFHAQAks17p8n62LM7WZKketAvskyJZ4GLaSUjZY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=crmKA3UEDyokQv3xHu+l0VRlIMxb3rfzDZCBQz2FmIMtGIYkEnOybYVyBIUdJJ+LFVGthPXbMLr7S9jhhFN81/C2AOEpm3tzPcXM3gWN+z8HOuOexkZvuRGqFiesswTPGrSgbw2IHzKWXJvABopFFkCvcQ4jpVi6Y9gUeQ1adz8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y3DPxconjGt4CFFTb8aeA+q2jS74H17HJbPmGPzaJ4nxD+Legg8JfkPqi7xml9XSsY1SsrTpliT2F87w8mGxN/RL7CZei0xLpQJ7draWlrZMlZUIcvdccuV82zSR/ysIiCk2p7bU/NzZkvK8OU9L9HwfzpSUaX6hjAzAzmnbKZk=; X-YMail-OSG: dwwiLXQVM1kNkUWc7oOGZY_Sy0C50elv_mvESoh77u3p2je CBUndxudsNFjs3RGRWfD59BJc.EBZLuXUiPVQ3A3gmdX.5gs9z7YlpVz1C_a 8iN4I9BEnDFbxysmBqXRT7N8iwfofkX9BidcNbWxWUy1K3WPa511ddXpcILH R5PF1ek7NJCwfeCUWVCBezmPXGQnBN1iudn8yFPI7pn3t.89AlHbOMC10k8_ 9DWo5RJbeRgkf3za84zDplTNRkHPq1diYVXCPlL_aGSKW46MImD5lpu4spF1 OWmQ3KvSaco0wZUG8CZpbHOjJf.gHQeaJ7vTeI.8Bega_jXqz6dc9M10vcsO VGRuPypQxP6NWtt0iKB1YilxZNzibY96z2kKLo6_mEvfEzxa4gpfY5j_sMl3 49PDVnTd0irtc3siImhtzcJGhOEkEoQ5aIKGKMx.hR933jSiTZACLxNmY3ey 9KG8capNKbCyRvOjzTz1v67sVxUf1kDwbvJ4O0B2Zhwzw3yy8bbun.cyOWHr A Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:01:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> <012201cd3843$391b57f0$ab5207d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1337709677.12508.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <012201cd3843$391b57f0$ab5207d0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net and i stand by my earlier suggestion that the key to keeping cool is moving lots of air through the radiator. copper or aluminum. big electric fans, cant beat em! Frank From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators > Do you have a pure copper radiator with pure copper rods? Probably not, although I didn't submit it for quantitative analysis. But I'll bet you don't have a pure aluminum radiator, either. Aluminum is pretty much always alloyed with things like silicon and iron. > Aluminum radiators do last longer with with a sacrificial zinc rod, anti > freeze formulated for aluminum & distilled water. So does copper. You forgot to mention having to keep the antifreeze and sacrificial anode changed on schedule, not parking it in a barn and forgetting about it. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 12:10:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9612D061A for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:10:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9764D2D03EE for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dGc57FXoAAAA:8 a=VClcajjQ9sNAhw1S6B4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:11576] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 97/70-29249-A85DBBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:06:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Pugh'" References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> <3D3C4D39-DCC9-4319-B76B-7466846ED3D6@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3D3C4D39-DCC9-4319-B76B-7466846ED3D6@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:06:02 -0700 Message-ID: <012301cd3845$8d0d9970$a728cc50$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac04PQAhPJqtNgvqSkiZUza1j+TrCgABobmQ Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Aluminum IS stronger than copper, and DOES cool better, and. Is > CERTAINLY not > cheaper, does NOT corrode more if properly maintained, so just where > all of > R's "facts" come from? Hokay, fine. Here's just one reference, showing the current price for copper is over 3 TIMES the price of aluminum. http://www.metalprices.com/ New prices are similar, I just didn't happen to find a reference with both of them on the same page. Aluminum cans do bring somewhat more at the local recycling place, because of the deposit on the cans, but copper is still a lot higher. Next time you have your thermostat housing off, take a look inside. Note how much of it has been corroded away over the years; likely it has pits that are far deeper than the thickness of the radiator tanks. When I bought a previous 56 TR3 from a Texas cornfield, the Tstat housing was literally corroded through, and yet the original radiator still held water. TeriAnn has already supplied the figures on thermal conductivity; I'll let you look up the numbers on tensile strength and so on. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 12:11:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8EA2D05C6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:11:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97F12D04EC for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so12590962pbb.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nAbK9we/fqn7RNSRSHwSCueA/g98yCtXk1ZxbBBjBYM=; b=sKXwrUV1h0Wa5LdeALZ+wmOlCyfr50YqnYidXs6HGb3s+OJT0UlKojfBXDWlfGE+yH qUHhlU4oaqTAbQlvhGL104YvOxZWImjJ+2itM6CvMcAubTvOQKWBxZvFsh8Ct3lMSLB6 iDUCjLVBuIoGsFSj7lwli6HZd4ra7bBPnUCvG0I8CafmhUIEhqXMfXdp0licCa2jCP9i 5a+yEINfkBejiu1g6ncBqutmPdhFC5XiJ61DPbMV65eG4sCVhdVQbNgjinxykCxte4rs rfCB5/IIlJQm4r3dHxXOteJweF9behkkGRPrDKOKhNvgWQrPlFobjqYahKykx6y/CdoT 0szQ== Received: by 10.68.218.37 with SMTP id pd5mr856625pbc.80.1337710340143; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-52-124.phnx.qwest.net. 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Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> <4FBBC9D3.2060000@gmail.com> <012201cd3843$391b57f0$ab5207d0$@rr.com> <1337709677.12508.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337709677.12508.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/22/12 11:01 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > and i stand by my earlier suggestion that the key to keeping cool is moving > lots of air through the radiator. copper or aluminum. > big electric fans, cant > beat em! > My vote is for a clean system, a hose from where the heater valve goes to the port where the other end of the water heater tubing goes and minimal clearance at the back of the water pump vanes. 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Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FBBD701.3040206@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net yes that too From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators On 5/22/12 11:01 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > and i stand by my earlier suggestion that the key to keeping cool is moving > lots of air through the radiator. copper or aluminum. > big electric fans, cant > beat em! > My vote is for a clean system, a hose from where the heater valve goes to the port where the other end of the water heater tubing goes and minimal clearance at the back of the water pump vanes. Teriann ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 12:30:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B551C2D05EB for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:30:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3D62D0503 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so8163171ggm.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TyQSmAyWjYnNWg1c+Q4skzPmM/8g7yz8dL6SzZMG4g0=; b=PWR0/R95t0CXp0BdclPz81FrE2rfuIC1781j/9UrKgjOXhfTjMNouU5eDoR264Kanq nsXfH2QmpyorNfHSMj5Px0AmVIC0Rty0dFCr2w2Q7ffTCa3hQpsOHRbeB1rprobkf0hr Ty90IefQAgJJVR5smVsqChie5dnqOtFarJDWo8qQE6ghP5UP8bktPGHEZsJIj6dFafme CzoJPeq0YxGfNy1W3stZvBo8lIwFRCTDVhHxT1lQf9zkoG++zm58VKl7yR5eQWI1OVM1 +fZikOthxjkgIlLkjF3sIa89TDna6Hxcyy8juPZ+UnDIWyftRkO42VIVRl9iPD0OJaJ8 IRzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.219.170 with SMTP id pp10mr10567511igc.25.1337711445862; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3D3C4D39-DCC9-4319-B76B-7466846ED3D6@comcast.net> References: <1337657235.19493.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <010e01cd383a$824dd550$86e97ff0$@rr.com> <3D3C4D39-DCC9-4319-B76B-7466846ED3D6@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:30:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:59 AM, William Pugh wrote: > > Aluminum... DOES cool better... > Better than what? If better than the 50 year-old radiator that it replaced then I would expect so. Just as some are amazed at the braking improvement when they install Toyota calipers, replacing an old original part with a new 'upgrade' may give a misleading comparison. G ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 12:44:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97802D05E1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:44:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE262D0539 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:44:38 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.172.220.247]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTP id <0M4F00CXRTFE0Q70@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:45:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-22_05:2012-05-21,2012-05-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205220210 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0M4F009BWTFHHT20@st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:45:17 +0000 (GMT) To: Triumphs From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:45:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: MobileMe Mail (1J25+8525) X-Originating-IP: [15.227.185.71] Message-id: <1d10f2a4-d370-68bd-ae02-9d20811d5bd4@me.com> In-reply-to: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is from Wizard Cooling's web site, so they could be biased, but they are saying the advantage of aluminum is in the construction. https://wizardcooling.com/topic/11-faq.aspx Why are aluminum radiators better than copper/brass? It is true that Copper does dissipate heat better than aluminum, but the benefits are in the design differences. Because aluminum is much stronger than copper aluminum core manufactures are able to make the tubes up to 1.50" wide, opposed to .50" wide for a copper tube. The benefit of this extra tube width comes from the additional contact that is created between the fins and the tubes, as there are less spaces or voids between the tubes (due to a fewer amount of tubes). If you take a look at a cut away section of copper brass radiator that is 2.25" thick, then multiply the number of tubes in a row by the width of the tubes you will find that there is a total of 1.50" of "contact" between the fins and the tubes on every row. Now, do the same evaluation on a 2.25" aluminum core and you will find that there is 2.0" of "contact". That is 33% more "contact" than the copper brass. This is critical as the fins accomplish a large percentage of the heat dissipation. The less contact between the fin and tubes, the less effective the fins. Another benefit of the wider, aluminum, tubes is that a larger volume of coolant is now placed inside the core, were the heat dissipation is occurring. Between the additional contact between the fins and tubes, the additional fluid in the core, and the additional contact between the fluid and the tubes you can expect to see at least a 25% increase in the heat transfer capabilities of an aluminum radiator over a copper/ brass of the same thickness. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 14:19:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08E02D0513 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:19:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8702D03F0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1325014ghr.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:20:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=m1RDrUoPrUZLunp8GD4vqDUFOk+pHVXyrvE+4DsZhC4=; b=XoSjY+rDOHRR9gn0lMOy3bqtut88uAMosQOVZ8xEMicRF9gLRJM/9TodhdVgLmtGsq RthpPqjqj6C6YtBdPvRqXdigjVw0yTT4/2Q9DsfB1zZb32n6v9HJBO72hK1CO5rQoa3+ Ay9d6aHrQNDZMnIp6IBKtokrtPJF2uLnJ2Fp+1GckoG+3legGLRRNtJXcJohgHUPkAUJ jzPkdDUtriXU+AEBaocL5pwz4kZmCqUWjt1hEWOVGSGfIg3ZzH9wjO67MCT1Zk7iEObw a7Z8UcKdaMTy3L1YEZWjcF92/geXq9JATZ+aau/rt9mE8TA4yb86W9h3S/a3SoV/f1kx hUHQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.159.65 with SMTP id k1mr15911391icx.51.1337718006860; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.37.199 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Superflex bushes - Is there an Australian supplier who'll ship to the US? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Every web search search I do, points to a place in the UK. Since these bushes are made in Australia. Is three a distributor / reteller out there that will ship to the USA? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 16:24:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9EB2D061A for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:24:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE942C0BCB for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:24:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=QjAh8oCQAAAA:8 a=HCrxtl-GAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=sqepzJSjZkCzfNZIuKkA:9 a=M7m_rmJkeHjnkjOJ82IA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SQ_AsvtjqZ0A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 173.88.251.65 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:49825] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AA/8F-29249-D221CBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 22:24:45 +0000 Message-ID: <6BBF65BA1EF74360B925F73DDDB302AA@UserTHINK> From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Triumphs" , "Darrell Walker" References: <1d10f2a4-d370-68bd-ae02-9d20811d5bd4@me.com> In-Reply-To: <1d10f2a4-d370-68bd-ae02-9d20811d5bd4@me.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:24:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Also look at this site http://www.carolinarodshop.com/Store/Griffin/radiator_electrolysis.htm I'm in the business and we see aluminum radiators ruined very quickly because of electrolysis as noted in this article. It's not as much of a concern with copper core radiators. All aluminum radiators are the worst. A friends went bad in a few months and wizard didn't warranty it. If you go all aluminum be cautious and aware that this can occur. It's an expensive lesson. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Darrell Walker Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Aluminum Radiators This is from Wizard Cooling's web site, so they could be biased, but they are saying the advantage of aluminum is in the construction. https://wizardcooling.com/topic/11-faq.aspx Why are aluminum radiators better than copper/brass? It is true that Copper does dissipate heat better than aluminum, but the benefits are in the design differences. Because aluminum is much stronger than copper aluminum core manufactures are able to make the tubes up to 1.50" wide, opposed to .50" wide for a copper tube. The benefit of this extra tube width comes from the additional contact that is created between the fins and the tubes, as there are less spaces or voids between the tubes (due to a fewer amount of tubes). If you take a look at a cut away section of copper brass radiator that is 2.25" thick, then multiply the number of tubes in a row by the width of the tubes you will find that there is a total of 1.50" of "contact" between the fins and the tubes on every row. Now, do the same evaluation on a 2.25" aluminum core and you will find that there is 2.0" of "contact". That is 33% more "contact" than the copper brass. This is critical as the fins accomplish a large percentage of the heat dissipation. The less contact between the fin and tubes, the less effective the fins. Another benefit of the wider, aluminum, tubes is that a larger volume of coolant is now placed inside the core, were the heat dissipation is occurring. Between the additional contact between the fins and tubes, the additional fluid in the core, and the additional contact between the fluid and the tubes you can expect to see at least a 25% increase in the heat transfer capabilities of an aluminum radiator over a copper/ brass of the same thickness. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:10:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0672D05C9 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:10:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318892D0475 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wefh52 with SMTP id h52so6692223wef.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=IzWi2A2uEAL7co+N4lTqXUB0g2dK4RtqwN6owsfuaSk=; b=PNQg92ZaVDNuoctC8FYGKD4jnK8G7f/fLYSblPELRFgKY2W/BkpHlV5Viq9+LdYIBr iwwoSuZ2Mx1YM1OJYK4XO4vfau59TpoJ65KWHlW6VkCZE6A9BU9NOZ+ogebOglwp1Fgy Y7qH7+FM8p1hTjNGZWNQW1y3CspwO5rQxytrUsiCsWqDcPOmAMtcYl6saxbROASXrtED /eaRbBykXOrvTGXWZpaGMV5CP30joaE/T7POpaVz0zFsnEgyMri0aInESbitXPrSt7g2 kC4PUuStzPFMzypO1NKsP4vStIDNK/H4YcBgYPmQziXOcwdflrR1T6DuYYGZ+yvM8viZ nq/g== Received: by 10.180.82.42 with SMTP id f10mr38771336wiy.22.1337728228756; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:10:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR2 update - and balls of steel wool in the distributor - part one. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All - The urgent TR4 issues are behind me - at least for now. It's running great and we had a really good time at the show the NC MG car club put on. Today I pulled the dizzy cap off the TR2 and had what looked like a mouse nest of steel wool in there - The crappy rotor was falling apart - but it was brass so that was not it. I took the thing apart and I think a washer or screw fell down inside and got ground up - I see no evidence of any interference after taking it apart and cleaning it completely. So we made it to the show. In hindsight, I should not have taken the TR2 to the show - it was just not ready - but after all that effort - I was on a bender to make it there. The only electrics that worked were the brake lights and the electric fan - the ignition was hot wired. Generator was functioning only as a tensioner for the water pump. Some of the carpet was in place - the rest of the the floor was painted flat black - and we did not have a top or a tonneau. I was exhausted and not thinking right. The starter was sometimes working and sometimes just making a pleasant whirring sound. But from 10 feet - it looked darn good. I packed what tools I could still find and two fire extingushers and we headed out. The TR2 made it to and back from the Gathering at Shelton Vineyards - there were well over 300 british cars there. On the way - the hood decided it would not stay latched; A bit later, I had one of those oh crap thoughts and stopped to check the generator mounts and both bolts were almost all the way out - 45 mins and several burns later - we were back on the road. Since we were so late, we abandoned the plan to caravan with the group and set out on our own and promptly the car appeared to overheat in retaliation. Pulled into McDonalds and did a static timing exercise and decided to skip the back roads and go full interstate for the 3 hours of the trip that remained. On the way we hooked up with a good friend of mine and we made the rest of the trip in good shape - we ran about 70 miles an hour most of the way - not bad for a beast that had not run more than a couple miles from home prior to this. I did manage a few grins when folks gave us the thumbs up. The car tracked really well on the road - I took the 4 inch rims and retired them for 4.5 inch rims. After I re-bushed the front end, I made a jig out of plywood (think wide c-clamp) to set toe in enough to drive it to get it aligned - but did not have a chance to get the alignment - I'm sure it will be better when I get it aligned properly - but I was really happy with the way the car tracked on the interstate. Still ran hot - at least according to the guage - but never got above 210 degrees. I have one of those infrared thermometers for my pizza oven - I'll use that to verify next time I run it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:26:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9562D04EC for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:26:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417B42D044E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alexpc (adsl-98-70-58-118.gnv.bellsouth.net[98.70.58.118]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20120522232701H0400b6kq7e>; Tue, 22 May 2012 23:27:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.70.58.118] Message-ID: From: "Alex" To: "*Triumphs List" Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:26:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:29:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFEA2D04F9 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:29:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46662D044E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so8681888yhr.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gPlKUE3l83bX1WpG44T2aTHAtvxn931O3A7KSnqP4Ik=; b=kpR7QQeupsnN2QkGsWavUmbe/KFzYZiq43Lk/yt0ah38J/qSS1gSYl2S70mk6vT7Xi NeWNjk/USZ8WzadZrA6RUz6maaaNnRPbriM9x1jouFU58fUVOlfl0rNuFnzJ3W6lBgUc rG9WgOzdV39cGU3DSGpMJxTmGDFdk6NuYTTyi4VpDCwHtw6UzY+in2y1hnZgdHsRD6iJ jEiKggX0ejJlMXug32a92Pq4kLliGC0f7A6HZ6G9+HOjqvBsoe1kWfZEpghnR8QeMKIj THrDjmd8jqjR5htsRFHvpB8AT5FiIZuqxEEZFLZ15bPOqx4mdhFiZHmGv+oSvnvu4hBO TcZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.36.200 with SMTP id s8mr11403504igj.27.1337729411717; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Alex , Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ratco -- but as I recall their URL has some non-intuiitive spelling or hyphenation. G On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Alex wrote: > Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. > Thx, > Alex Manzo > 59 TR3A > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:37:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37E22D04EA for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:37:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA962D048F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so8683516yhr.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=F+qyFDilwncRf2zDe9Gp3v+aazs/ExEEmPzuvb3Os4o=; b=gQIYwkBzqNAbycHc1GLowdxvx9ICxFS6pekQrkj3vVIifABj1GdADQyBmH30tCDqKz RHWUtvf+CkL3fVUKTdkeJd9oTvDSZvMhhiJkLA8Th/dtTdADODEya+1PLDcagoUzsAkX g21azCUoLsvRxeXgML7+V2yR1Tg4e6+9U30PEAiAJQMLeBtTNchQ71MP94RcpZGwX+Ux lWPs9RU1pWZsTjQ3P2Tf85m6Y1T7aP/pMhgXohCo3eRotoQQ8lUs0nU5HrCs3SU4LBna mN39ws81zL6n87ZIDn1bnpT4mQHfNL4teEPBYZu3fBIqPK3zN6HQtcM0SV/M1SAH8K+u GI1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.230 with SMTP id y6mr11186186igm.20.1337729542758; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Alex , Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Okay, the website: Ratco On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Ratco -- but as I recall their URL has some non-intuiitive spelling or > hyphenation. > > G > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Alex wrote: > >> Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. >> Thx, >> Alex Manzo >> 59 TR3A >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:39:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5985A2D063D for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:39:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA8A2D0266 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8ba55.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.186.85]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M4G002XU6VJMT80@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:37:44 -0400 From: George Richardson In-reply-to: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <4FBC2348.8080202@key-men.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120522-1, 05/22/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 Subject: Re: [TR] Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ratco. http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ I've got one of Tonys TR6 frames. A beautiful piece of work. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 5/22/2012 7:26 PM, Alex wrote: > Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. > Thx, > Alex Manzo > 59 TR3A > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 17:54:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B21C2D04EB for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:54:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4B32D04BB for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120522235056.KPWL10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:50:56 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id DBqt1j0062TnnaX05BqwSB; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:50:56 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=NAjVbAkUAAAA:20 a=VPAXH-zgAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=F8sF14QFTx9KoproiKcA:9 a=ZR3c5GcsBgLF--caZGMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=-2MSTO_O9ygA:10 a=2lcpo2P6Sj0A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'George Richardson'" , References: <4FBC2348.8080202@key-men.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBC2348.8080202@key-men.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:50:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000301cd3875$b7671e50$26355af0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIO6siHbbmOMnq42I+cEKhQAa/5dwGvVA3ElkWa+tA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My brother bought a TR-6 frame from them, as well. Absolutely amazing! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Richardson Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:38 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brain Freeze? Ratco. http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ I've got one of Tonys TR6 frames. A beautiful piece of work. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 5/22/2012 7:26 PM, Alex wrote: > Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. > Thx, > Alex Manzo > 59 TR3A > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 18:41:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF6A2D050A for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:41:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from g1t0026.austin.hp.com (g1t0026.austin.hp.com [15.216.28.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28F62D04C3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from G1W3635G.americas.hpqcorp.net (g1w3635g.austin.hp.com [16.193.48.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by g1t0026.austin.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F9E6C3EC; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from G2W1813G.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.238.8.212) by G1W3635G.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.193.48.86) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.4; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:39:57 +0000 Received: from G1W3650.americas.hpqcorp.net ([169.254.8.85]) by G2W1813G.americas.hpqcorp.net ([fe80::2d8c:5671:edf9:26b0%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:39:56 +0000 From: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" To: Alex , *Triumphs List Thread-Topic: [TR] Brain Freeze? Thread-Index: AQHNOHJ3peB5ombcV0iKEJJbpkq9tJbWiCSQ Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:39:55 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [16.193.232.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ratco http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/ -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM To: *Triumphs List Subject: [TR] Brain Freeze? Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan.foster@hp.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 08:45:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E529E2D0641 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:45:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528F02D04B4 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so5494326wgb.20 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Lp+5T8jYkcGvPSEhy0JQpodBk0roM6aLt79hU+6PvCk=; b=aqfhotQ9GNi7EV567b5FFrMzzU1eg4NBtvZXe4bGXJzWwVQirw0tTEvRAkdOnk4X9V jzOzssS1FlHHPhrK41d9Sz97GtoxiJO3ANVO29eLtO1JRJ3X7R6RpBXggUmwElvOqSza AM6c2XgqmFttYEXyU7l89WkCoQcOZpUUg6kwHlp/ocMHTxugrbeaYrTpe2Mi68moDnKY elV9IOJYC5NClEf8t8t2jQBJL68TqRGU2YflbFbzQCjI699A00D+K9z4OE+kBmHOToMa yDHNCJfnYVX3Ni8peZrePpG2NiV7LIktbSQm5eEPZ4KswmQ0D8dYUrbrgovBCanLil5X EagQ== Received: by 10.180.91.196 with SMTP id cg4mr13689134wib.0.1337784162973; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR2 distributor metal shavings resolved X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like there are still a few of those bad rotors out there. Yep - the rotor is missing a rivet and I imagine it was machined up quite nicely by the whirling bits under the point plate. Tore it down completely, cleaned it up and gave it a good lube before reassembly. There were a ton of filings in there as the distributor housing is softer than the rivet and it took a beating. All is good and running well. With all the shavings that were around the points - I'm amazed the car still ran. Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 09:16:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EAD2D063D for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:16:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE6B2D0500 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (ool-44c75d75.dyn.optonline.net [68.199.93.117]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M4H003Y9ECU4SM0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 11:14:51 -0400 From: Bob In-reply-to: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ac04dCTlNmVnOs+TS8GQlXpmg8dnlAAgiCfA References: Subject: [TR] 10. Brain Freeze? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.sites.google.com/site/tonyratco/frames Alex, Here it is. Regards, Bob "Anyone have the name of the guys in NY making new TR3 frames. Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 09:59:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA3A2D062A for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:59:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39EC2D05FE for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:58:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=HT0xYC39/StnbO/f7aySFA==:17 a=jKoYIc1ACtYA:10 a=sb6CjOpjXdMA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=b35vgRsQQr6PEWU6bdoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pWPoY-nkRweHorIPtBcA:9 a=14N4U4xmMoYA:10 a=zYLlelW8cHW3I34iX9MA:9 a=4eIBOHsfNrWBKlfcegIA:7 a=diV1Cm6KfS4A:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=4hqSNtE9IjzSVCYV:21 a=EVjDJt7JRSnWx7nF:21 a=HT0xYC39/StnbO/f7aySFA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.87.3.200 Received: from [76.87.3.200] ([76.87.3.200:49282] helo=[172.27.35.47]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1A/3D-29249-8690DBF4; Wed, 23 May 2012 15:59:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8833c771bf3f0701e90f284b00396096.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> References: <8833c771bf3f0701e90f284b00396096.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> Message-Id: <4ACBE065-1767-4FAA-92C4-31FC892956DA@roadrunner.com> From: Hdefer Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 22:25:29 -0700 To: Triumph List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Turn Signals: The Saga Continues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, The attached doc helped me a lot. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type multipart/appledouble] Hans On May 16, 2012, at 2:24 AM, greg@gelhar.com wrote: >> I need some advice about the operation of the mechanism which is > supposed to >> cancel the turn signal once the steering wheel has > been returned to the straight ahead position. >> > Dave, > > Check this out > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword > which had a name of Cancelling Action.doc] > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ > tr3@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 10:41:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138222D03B1 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 10:41:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7F22D04B4 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 10:40:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-11831.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.62.58] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SXEcw-0003b5-9A for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:41:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4FBD1340.50600@execulink.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:41:36 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 body fit & adjustment X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Trying for a better fit on some of my body panels on my '2. I did have the body off and fitted a new mounting kit. Had the usual fiddling problems with door fit & some seams but now stumped on the rear trunk area. When fitting the new body mount kit, I made sure that the rear bumper bolts would go through the frame and used this as a reference point. However, my trunk opening seems to have 'shrunk', with the trunk lid sitting very high right in the center by the lock. Not even close to being able to close the lid, even without the weather stripping. Wondering if I cranked down on the rear most body mounts to see if this might open the trunk opening and allow the lid to fit a bit better. Any hints on aligning this opening, especially after the rear bumper long bolts are installed? Thanks for any help with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 08:16:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175C12C0D4A for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:16:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A24EC2D033A for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28445 invoked from network); 24 May 2012 14:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (166.249.100.226) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.232) with ESMTP; 24 May 2012 14:13:08 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <4FBD1340.50600@execulink.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:13:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac05Axj0VfXiJOmgQjS3qJwQe4hVVwAs1ZBg In-Reply-To: <4FBD1340.50600@execulink.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 body fit & adjustment X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo: When the body was off the frame did you put in new floors or other body panels? If you fitted a new rear valance, the alignment can easily be compromised. If not, then it may be down to the mounting kit. Did you keep the old spacers when you removed the body? One of my cars had twice as many spacers on one side than the other - when I went to put it back, nothing fitted until I realized this. I guess the order of importance is (1) secure the body on the frame at the rear,(2) do whatever is needed to get the trunk to fit (including cranking down), (3) worry about the bumper bolts later - they can always be worked to fit. Andrew Uprichard Just put the body of TS19652 back on the frame last week. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:42 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 body fit & adjustment Hello List: Trying for a better fit on some of my body panels on my '2. I did have the body off and fitted a new mounting kit. Had the usual fiddling problems with door fit & some seams but now stumped on the rear trunk area. When fitting the new body mount kit, I made sure that the rear bumper bolts would go through the frame and used this as a reference point. However, my trunk opening seems to have 'shrunk', with the trunk lid sitting very high right in the center by the lock. Not even close to being able to close the lid, even without the weather stripping. Wondering if I cranked down on the rear most body mounts to see if this might open the trunk opening and allow the lid to fit a bit better. Any hints on aligning this opening, especially after the rear bumper long bolts are installed? Thanks for any help with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 12:25:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081C42D03E2 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:25:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216362D03BD for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 12:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Du4c1j0030ldTLk5DuRc2f; Thu, 24 May 2012 18:25:36 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.236.169.92]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DuRb1j00n1zxQSA3QuRciy; Thu, 24 May 2012 18:25:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4FBE7E43.9080902@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:30:27 -0400 From: Pat Ledford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120524-0, 05/24/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try Team Triumph, he will ship. 330-392-7176 On 5/24/2012 1:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > set they care to sell? > How about just the gear set? > How about just the third gears? > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > than we ever have > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > $1000 [too much]. > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > contact there?] > > > Thanks, > Chuck Arnold > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pat.l@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 15:33:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2822D041B for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:33:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 019412D01C5 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 21:32:35 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.117] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 21:32:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 21:32:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 538316.9830.bm@omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76363 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2012 21:32:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1337895155; bh=aIQPnxkxf7ROtJh0sIDWH0rH9WLjB0F/uTWIfWArisk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iItkh0fpLTBLSUXp1WEMmY0qW6EylTANgWPscllNQj8JXkZgNeEZzW2fCpcTDepLU7gRf75NMU7o1uQ1j1xFlVzNiaUfAAJRDj87d8ghM4PzemrrjTZNh5H8X2sba9996FbRT8g4z/ONHfoAdMt2VGm09Ywm8VU51RIPEVumK20= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FwL1ebwWlHyJ9HoV7M7yqUQtDLxXCQOyzRgDl3IkfS+BvmbeNleVm883u46fVCu8L8pG2kkLq6sg+F2eh1sa9Wifm+RpiUt25KCZnZ2Kk8KRCKOVteYY5raFhpmTslMg4xVDcZpPXAhzGa9OyOvZIM4WGIpuGsv3EMrQXNnSumQ=; X-YMail-OSG: TSxn9_sVM1kgvDJdMQRuGBj3SsfUCZbkpxyI78ZUVP7OHtY jKJ5SH46u6X4mRwh8eceB78CBgdVrWLodNAygz71Cg14AJYtv.akdJGKOH1d 6BFS_..cTyLYX3tbj4zJpoji6OoIa.vSQ2ZoPNhX7sHWHbv2Wzr8yxXK.lxy OzFz8x5.zhOy6Bubyt_cU46HoE2fbTXMyvnPI53_quZxo0g.eCIzZ4Rh6VZi HZh0S3G7JU.aFrf7Jxz8dMKK3VylR49QMCTbjPKz9S.W8I3Nqg3H59sriSzd KAR08RjSjxSzpa_Sz1ucbTHi0wcVPj3gyWl9pvDvJcSCDf.0CPFFCscd5muO He7IRfUjGRPpK6ULbXUiCWwjT6VeJT_EMUvxHaacjUvRksaleovvIPzuLPOQ CHiE.AXMmFQDJ3YCUpABuGSIaxwmRhZ9gue.uV9xDguXc Received: from [81.137.246.212] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2012 22:32:35 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FBE7E43.9080902@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337895155.76285.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:32:35 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FBE7E43.9080902@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try Jigsaw Racing and the Triumph Dolomite Club - both in UK. Mark at Jigsaw has a raft of stuff and the club itself has several people running parts schemes Jonmac >Try Team Triumph, he will ship. > >330-392-7176 > >On 5/24/2012 1:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: >> Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear >> set they care to sell? >> How about just the gear set? >> How about just the third gears? >> >> Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better >> than we ever have >> >> British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; >> Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". >> Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over >> $1000 [too much]. >> Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive >> >> Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email >> contact there?] >> >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck Arnold >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pat.l@comcast.net > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk > > >From: Pat Ledford To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 19:30 Subject: Re: [TR] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 20:02:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF302D03E1 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:02:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C896A2D038B for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:01:44 -0600 (MDT) X-NII: 5153_0_18198_1337911350 X-NII-IP: 75.147.55.109 Received: from [192.168.123.130] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2D5BA1C0026 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 22:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Delis Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:02:34 -0400 Message-Id: To: Triumph List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Subject: [TR] TR3 OD Problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I have an odd (to me) problem with the overdrive on my TR3. For a while when I would flip the OD switch while driving down the highway, it takes a while before it goes into overdrive. Today it started to go in and out of overdrive, seemingly in when I accelerate, and out when I take my foot off the accelerator. Any help on this appreciated TIA Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 20:03:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A872D043E for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:03:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA10D2D038B for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so344004yhr.14 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 19:04:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gciN2flTHBz35XbU9z0fbdppSZvehfUiVQRnbJG2Nu4=; b=SfG5QUzXQmo/Lbuk5Y4NID1+c/q+ISFVVLRL5837nCZ4lH28aFF7PbSIaz9eV7Z+BA sbmgyR6fHwVskOjNBj/q+l4HBv/AixRev+FJIMr+mZjbEJD05DXvaG8wflcbA3TZTG3L ll1LOXeG9LLIedncqQDzfP7uaDSE/X7nPzJlLP+yVHZS1KsPYtPTIvZni3cKy7j67up5 6DjnAgjAwpboVt7lLsQTN4lLad2LufrOoKmV6pASd/cZbtq1bwRuv82bfEcQGSTFlOSA +bMKZMpcpynKKbJJcl9tWUNB0Q8K3Z7n74ARD70G8ZIMI/s+tJM14vx3ee71uOBLQiBF zrXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.99 with SMTP id rf3mr1190765igb.25.1337911467922; Thu, 24 May 2012 19:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2012 19:04:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Alexander Delis X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 OD Problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I assume the first thing you did was check the oil level? Geo On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Alexander Delis wrote: > Hello all, > > I have an odd (to me) problem with the overdrive on my TR3. > > For a while when I would flip the OD switch while driving down the > highway, it > takes a while before it goes into overdrive. > > Today it started to go in and out of overdrive, seemingly in when I > accelerate, and out when I take my foot off the accelerator. > > Any help on this appreciated > > TIA > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 20:36:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A2E2D03DB for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:36:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0B02D01C1 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E26q1j0080x6nqcA12cxrh; Fri, 25 May 2012 02:36:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.89] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E2cv1j00r4L5TyG8Y2cwZU; Fri, 25 May 2012 02:36:57 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Alexander Delis In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 20:36:55 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 OD Problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Loose wire? Maybe on the OD switch. If you've had to tighten and retighten the nut that secures the switch to the escutcheon then you may have developed a break in the wire by the switch moving around. The car might jiggle the wire when you accelerate and decelerate...guess you should only accelerate. Or get out your solder gun. BTW someone on the list suggested that a solder gun will work better if you loosen and tighten the holding nuts on the tips and it made a couple of my soldering guns work way better. Thanks list. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On May 24, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Alexander Delis wrote: > Hello all, > > I have an odd (to me) problem with the overdrive on my TR3. > > For a while when I would flip the OD switch while driving down the > highway, it > takes a while before it goes into overdrive. > > Today it started to go in and out of overdrive, seemingly in when I > accelerate, and out when I take my foot off the accelerator. > > Any help on this appreciated > > TIA > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 13:13:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96402D0434 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:13:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E9E2D034E for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4PJCF6T007931 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:12:15 -0400 Received: from core-ded003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ded003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.54.9]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C9AB0E000095 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:12:14 -0400 (EDT) From: L1J1S@aol.com Message-ID: <2ebb6.60ad152a.3cf1338d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:12:14 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Originating-IP: [64.131.128.239] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337973135; bh=7Qd/tKwjVRcpAzqu+cz+IH4oMV0OuG++OoGAt9YYDXg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l3ogWDUh6knNRHOvmBibvn+/++PP5hSWMy6OkF1ai7V8tB1H6oUjrZ31ekdqzA6ER yjXzx+CHY+wkwgx0hkk4zDLEYbNiij89iI9fC7JhkTSSjNtYVSax2mA1oKWOiYqWXv 1JXJ3kVN6HZf2vqiVAqWKe9XnRIDByBxrg3CL8Gs= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:385513792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84fbfd98e6038 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR- MGTC COMPETITION X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, sorry to bomb the list with a question not related to Triumphs, but i need to find some information on a MGTC competion model. does anyone know of or have any information on these special editions of the mg? happy memorial day weekend. larry schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 15:06:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69892D02CE for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:06:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3981A2D0297 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so2840224pbb.14 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=kyK1e+wsR5G6waIz71SEvZmVSezjF06YDXiPuWKGt8o=; b=CBPA58R4Sokikjzpgh+DA1tDECl4qeYZZpx+3NIHRI2tYVqWYtKjNI3gGYoVCjA5uK lXcHeCd741S7xQ00UpNquySZ7O8So7zLdC2QaI28v+vMKE1eaNjhz7G0Dv72+kz2SjOP S2qutOBVtV8685HV4QLo6g37xeQS3dd1HQIKwO0vvjmggum81+vNGo95ixfytb+vcm6+ arf8elbmptVQu+OaXvJtmEYihKA9vPcSZB3CsWiU5ncPtVWcpQEhhCOLHYO3sunJdZmy 76yaGF67a16xcREKfZRqlfWW2a98qjgDo2Cee8mg4N8jL/5JR+NThJvC7bA5f4MB+IR3 Xytw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.227.163 with SMTP id sb3mr1234823pbc.74.1337980033179; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.248.198 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:07:13 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: s03D5AdihAhFP5qz5JFFPJ6JdQo Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Reflections X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Today as I was standing in the line at the DMV office waiting my turn to have the title paperwork processed for my TR4 I happened to glance the date we bought the TR4, April 24th 2010 We bought from the Mark Joslyn estate auction. I got to thinking about all that I had been through trying to get this car running again and titled and decided it was pretty appropriate that the car was going to be on the road again just in time for Memorial Day. I thought that was a fitting tribute to Mark who was a pretty avid Triumph nut, much like a lot of people on this list. Mark had put the TR4 had been put in the shop for an engine rebuild way back in 2002 and it sat there until Mark's passing in 2008. After Mark's passing his brother subsequently had the engine work completed and installed in the car trying to ready it for the auction. Unfortunately the original manifold and carburetors disappeared over the intervening years and so the car had to be sold as non-running. Susan and I bought the car and I rounded up the missing pieces to get the engine running only to find that once I got it started it smoked really bad. The harder you stepped on the pedal the more it smoked. At first I thought it was steam so I replaced the head gasket. That didn't solve the problem so I pulled the head and had it checked for cracks but found that it was OK. I then realized that each piston was covered with a very large puddle of oil which led me to think that the oil control rings were probably not working. So I bit the bullet and pulled the pistons out. Yep I was right the brand new pistons (and liners) had bad oil control rings. I ended up buying new Total Seal rings, de-glazed the cylinders and put everything back together. I'm happy to report there is no more smoking and now that the paperwork has been processed I can finally drive the car, two years and one month after buying the car. I rather hope that Mark would be happy to know his old car is finally back on the road. Brad 1963 TR4 (among others!) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 15:18:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531612D045F for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:18:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com [67.231.153.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036952D02CE for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0002344 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4PLCsWe024037 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:15:56 -0400 Received: from dm0227.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 151xe9191u-1 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:15:56 -0400 X-Eon-Dm: dm0227 Received: by dm0227.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9bfa) id dm0227.4f90dc4d.6d6599 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:15:55 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQNqwPlPv/aL7lKtUQIAAAAB,d5890032bf6307a66e2648053dd09f14 X-Originating-Ip: 67.235.155.250 From: Robert Jones Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:15:54 -0500 Message-Id: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-25_05:2012-05-21,2012-05-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205250260 Subject: [TR] 6-Pack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks I sent my dues in for 6-Pack in January. Haven't heard anything to date and no magazines. Is this normal for them? Does anyone know if they are still active and publishing? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 15:35:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E0C2D044C for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:35:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8F52D03D6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 15:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so2244253dak.14 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=br5aQmjQkRDI0V04Csydx7K+E9xJi4kjsY9QoD66gqM=; b=yUtWl1XK88S8gt1FZ9fkIPvpGQ4vb3KswKagoklQq8ntYliICM0BZ+nxWhAOA6RneJ W3xqQTY7YQ6w65mBa2UW6dE3Byg2lT7wzYfr895HptQasEcOGBhima09p72exk4m9JqD b9XU9puygftBSbGUjwAWC/7mbxlYvPTKdR+Ue91gzqGxJNdXVl+2nwVWp2hcDKc7teRj IWTXufGaOJx98CBMhyfb4V1/dEIyfY4dyIpTDOnUE6w21CAC6I2hBhNi5R+zl8IMmyRV Tb5W1RM6suXl3g/UKgC02C5xBXCU+ATpEjmfT6BVjt/nZivGj+FYKsgvXRnwOA4F5791 gNMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.227.163 with SMTP id sb3mr1449333pbc.74.1337981790298; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.248.198 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:36:30 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fp02wSNAnatfTpW1xlB2of_ks9o Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Need new tires for TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now that the TR4 is drive-able I need to buy tires. I think the original size was 165/80R15 tires. However I think the 165 tires were mainly for the 4" and 4.5" rims, my rims are 5" wide. I know this has probably been covered a million times on the list but considering the meager choices for 165/80R15 tires now days I'd like to know what tire sizes other listers are using successfully with 5" rims. Keeping the speedometer close would be nice if possible. Thanks! Brad 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 17:02:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC1D2D03D7 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:02:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE752D0310 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (146.90.252.64.snet.net [64.252.90.146]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lbu0q-1S8vCm1SPk-00jYDa; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:39 -0400 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0CAB9E34002EBC0CAB9F81-TDI Message-ID: From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Robert Jones" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:o40bYfOA7YQR0VXQjaHLBsyWHn2+wPJ6kInPAOtvGN1 QQO4/mwXceV9kZkmTNo6dafS6hqvlTOsE7iszyW67tpRMDo96Z 9MdgpxW7Mx8lnCa4PxuuZy2VUY5OBRdyo/r+6xrg6u/EDyeVGR qsmZRHHCAbIVcph2IyoQcdF0WCmlweZifRjDu5USku+IMq3rOD aUN5fBr2zBFr8sqMnJ0hyhxf89IrbXxCnxAoQVCy9MRof5/Hwm V7V1rgO720NmZbweSyL0l6CF3+TchS8CwQUmnYb3i/9z3eJOOr T4h/izEUJpr5KRmnZjM6mGb2gcetnbuxgwhA1ixo6zCEJHN4sa SrwLUKU+RCBx/cKE+ZwX6AIFy7EOVYF4IbRb9CAmh Subject: Re: [TR] 6-Pack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Robert, It might be best for you to sign in to the 6-Pack Forum (www.6-Pack.org) and ask Ashford Little the Membership Secretary the status of your membership. I can assure you that 6-Pack is alive and well and there have been two magazines sent out to members since January. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jones Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:15 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 6-Pack Folks I sent my dues in for 6-Pack in January. Haven't heard anything to date and no magazines. Is this normal for them? Does anyone know if they are still active and publishing? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 17:02:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9F62D04B4 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:02:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A59B2D02D9 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:51:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=kUSHYda-BbMA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=CUIDRsI4AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=taOh4SQaHDeXjyKTJQkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=0Uo1J-YFIRkA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=w57G5vKC0kYA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=rcBldY5xAAAA:8 a=V5ArIRGdFVXhzkk12oMA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=F3iWlm6Gj24A:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:49326] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8D/64-16302-13D00CF4; Fri, 25 May 2012 22:52:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC00D05.5030605@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:49 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] 6-Pack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, The 6-Pack is alive and well. I received the last magazine about a month ago. I would post a message on the forum and someone will get back to you or send an email to the web master Alan. webmaster@6-pack.org . Also you can log into 6 pack forum and check your status, when your subscription expires etc. Bob. On 05/25/2012 05:15 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Folks > > I sent my dues in for 6-Pack in January. Haven't heard anything to date and > no magazines. Is this normal for them? Does anyone know if they are still > active and publishing? > > Thanks > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 17:02:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B25E2D04B0 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:02:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAF42D02FC for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:53:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=N5qr5hBB c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=kUSHYda-BbMA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=CUIDRsI4AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=W-VYAWizm5ZfA8pVwk8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Ve9RAC0OPv8A:10 a=w57G5vKC0kYA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=rcBldY5xAAAA:8 a=W3TFEVipO8lujblnv4MA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GUQ88Nxgl8IA:10 a=F3iWlm6Gj24A:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:49357] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E5/FA-01555-CAD00CF4; Fri, 25 May 2012 22:54:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC00D80.2040808@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:53:52 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Jones References: In-Reply-To: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] 6-Pack X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, You can also email the membership officer: Ashford Little email address: membership@6-pack.org Bob On 05/25/2012 05:15 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Folks > > I sent my dues in for 6-Pack in January. Haven't heard anything to date and > no magazines. Is this normal for them? Does anyone know if they are still > active and publishing? > > Thanks > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 19:31:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646AD2D043E for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:31:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB6B2D02D3 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:31:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=EIXhiqBdPlcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=UfWiqzm10vGEsHXhlsUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55011] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 45/C6-16302-7A230CF4; Sat, 26 May 2012 01:32:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Brad Kahler'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: <01fd01cd3adf$672a5d00$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac06voAKR6xF/r8eS7WLRxkqZBJsTwAH8T1g In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Need new tires for TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't use them any more, but I have used 185/65-15 on both 4.5" and 5.5" rims. They are a bit shorter than stock, make your speedo read about 5% high (63 mph when you are only doing 60 mph); but there is a wide selection of fairly high performance tires available in that size, many of them for a very reasonable price. For example, TireRack has Bridgestone Potenza G019 for $77/ea in that size, which they consider a "high performance all-season" tire. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 08:21:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16FD2D043A for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 08:21:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ecomcanada.com (mail.ecomcanada.com [66.163.0.125]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2A52D01AC for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 08:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DSOKNACKIPC ([192.168.1.99]) by ecomcanada.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 26 May 2012 10:21:55 -0400 From: "David Soknacki" To: Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:21:52 -0400 Message-ID: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac06oR7P4+cGXQdITl6cdP2Cybg/1QApRAog X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2012 14:21:55.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6DC2C20:01CD3B4A] Subject: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! Am I the only TR6 driver who turns off his engine when stopped at red lights in hot weather? I do it because otherwise my engine sputters to a stall. This happens only when the engine and ambient temperature are hot. I have a stock engine, and have been using regular gas since I bought the car in 2003. My guess that the gas is boiling on its way to the carburetors. Is that right? I first thought that I might fix the problem by installing one of those stainless heat shields next to the carburetors, but no luck. So what to do? - buy premium gas? - put in a gas additive? - wrapping or coating the manifold? Many thanks for your advice. David Soknacki 74 TR6 CF22072U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 08:35:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA672D05D1 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 08:35:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342FF2D033C for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 08:35:36 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.0.25] (97-120-65-150.ptld.qwest.net [97.120.65.150]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4M001A4WKGFG10@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:36:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-26_03:2012-05-21,2012-05-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205260137 From: Darrell Walker In-reply-to: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:16 -0700 Message-id: References: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> To: David Soknacki X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi David, What is your normal idle speed? Have you tried bumping it up a bit? Is it hard to start after shutting it down? I would think a fuel boiling issue would make restart very difficult. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 09:19:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF3A2D04BF for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 09:19:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D30B62D033C for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 09:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2012 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2012 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.115] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2012 15:19:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2012 15:19:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 881082.51612.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45103 invoked from network); 26 May 2012 15:19:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=PBpqWFIAAqLCNKDZ8w+lzHP2GwoZznAvEdXuVbUb4OsFqxhE91B3oPMH3D7dAbr8x4T0EFXovTWmBJ0FYDht9IK8ucX7CeLrXR74BJHVHKYSz9csmAqpIb1BET1XCyDjjzutaY/50QPAotxzaZiNql0ErRuNtiolVXTqJ8ggLuY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1338045570; bh=/cJ7xV/PpmUDeYWtreR6hB7XLXHkoIXkousNJeRGmHc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=fIdbP561ek5TG/Gt8bRieRJH0kqX5Dgeu29BXbcAhQ1cZeHMHtBpv4jX6Yacoct9ji0maO7Oo8OTgX6dUvRGWl+i4et+VmbKs55UgMzGZh23NfofN8otFlrUXGoLJrMD0Q8JxtxSXCaNxQf2EI47GL3WGJVEoUPqrcadnAZG9Uk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EpBwxwoVM1lHg4jIRDPTa2p6dIKJE1DRTHufH6skYBvhjkk vT8LbqsYxa2sMq2bZMZ.O7bzm1xNaM1SC.1wwJYKvWga2fTX5TtTWh1T0fY_ 7uFe3rB.mE0F9ejmQYZHZW_yBPCbj0lwdWHgKusBgW3jvijKkjdlRGiTwhGq 3D7ZwPyhG_eFv_FLhYcQGSZ_Z7pMkT427XDUUZaDBN7c4.YvioBj7oTtTKaH 0FyIVrH3NVc1OARv64m9yyekqe1e6kFEJo.ES_zmnADOS6p6QtTnajcM4lcQ YpUwcoFluUPrlweGGHlc8HmMBPf_W6p.nfZ7aUXbG828U_ktwfSSPnqXlqFG SlYNh4hnPeZuEil084WmlkEC5vwR7J99Y6.x01A9k9P_rtoV_hQyyiQPGIRc UZ_pC6.teWuB83sm4B9h7e_pox11rKCySKkAtKTtSucqui5oAeAlYzLdI0Cm EEk8DFT..TVmCEi4oJu8wUrzqB00lz21Hj61ne2xNiAfVxpOaVADo0uyg X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from [10.143.132.236] (wbeech@166.133.128.52 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2012 08:19:29 -0700 PDT References: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Wbeech Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:19:35 -0500 To: Darrell Walker Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , David Soknacki Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net David, Your engine will continue to build heat after shutting in down. If I am in that situation, usually a parade, I will try to keep the revs up at 1500-2000 to get a little more coolant through the motor. Sent from mobile Bill On May 26, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Darrell Walker wrote: > Hi David, > > What is your normal idle speed? Have you tried bumping it up a bit? > > Is it hard to start after shutting it down? I would think a fuel boiling issue would make restart very difficult. > > -Darrell > > -- > Darrell Walker > 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L > 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 > Vancouver, WA, USA > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 09:21:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CE62D0194 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 09:21:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64E52D033E for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 09:20:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=kUSHYda-BbMA:10 a=hURQzA460pAA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=QyYG4qPCZAi0Ubxep2oA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:52265] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1C/DC-05935-505F0CF4; Sat, 26 May 2012 15:21:42 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC0F4D7.3040304@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 11:20:55 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Soknacki References: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> In-Reply-To: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net David, How hot is it outside? I have never experienced this problem on my 72. But I did install Hitachi SU HS6 carbs to avoid the diaphram problems with the ZS 175s. My idle is constant around 800 RPM no matter how cold or hot it is outside. Once I got the engine all set up last year, it has run like I would expect a rebuilt engine with new carbs and distributor. Have you checked your diaphrams? Oil in the dampers? Timing? P.lug condition? Bob BTW, I use the midgrade 89 octane in all my Triumphs. On 05/26/2012 10:21 AM, David Soknacki wrote: > Hi List! > > Am I the only TR6 driver who turns off his engine when stopped at red lights > in hot weather? I do it because otherwise my engine sputters to a stall. > This happens only when the engine and ambient temperature are hot. I have a > stock engine, and have been using regular gas since I bought the car in > 2003. > > My guess that the gas is boiling on its way to the carburetors. Is that > right? > > I first thought that I might fix the problem by installing one of those > stainless heat shields next to the carburetors, but no luck. > > So what to do? > - buy premium gas? > - put in a gas additive? > - wrapping or coating the manifold? > > Many thanks for your advice. > > David Soknacki > 74 TR6 > CF22072U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 12:16:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58292D04EA for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 12:16:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE682D02A3 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 12:15:40 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1338056177; x=1338660977; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=ndYYRcacLJnngiMQ0vVFBitgykXa2197Yd8GGXbuEs0=; b=qiN aApu/bfRC1NXFZkwxiHTaEqsi1zo+sYmzcBhmXne9y/UrDj4ai3Xz42oWXRcHvkg CheL4rdqwqpFIwagAFb1QkME2RaTbPPGarKA0ePfRgs4yu35sflksZLYzpgenNbm UxVglgPf4LO2yNkvImXkGP4J+IE1fPvqLuUNecuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=NN/BUA+rhM7AY/TOGvX/rW9CGEkawRe4tjsy0ZhHWOvRVoVU1v0qZ5lmeuuY Ot8L7gHKll3o8XxRCr1X40XABZThggZ279gRkC58bkZ0omusXOvP8cG9v XBgbng+7L4yqTAioGnbX7+rXwCSt4npjt7nbF4gAJCtjUnUz9f/GF0=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Sat, 26 May 2012 14:16:17 -0400 Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 57-md50000110642.msg for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:16:17 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Sat, 26 May 2012 14:16:17 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120526:md50000110642::I6iDhbA2zs4M7J/1:000080sI X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 14:12:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <292a7f78.1cd3b6b.285443e6.44@indiefilmnet.com> Organization: IndieFIlmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [TR] Dipstick level vs fuel gauge X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR6's fuel gauge is reading near zero, but the fuel level, based on the height at which the fuel pipe drips when removed from the pump, seems higher. I.e. the fuel level is near the base of the rotor cap, but the gauge reads barely above empty. Is there a chart of Fuel Tank contents versus dipstick measurement from the tank cap in inches? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 12:18:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F992D0633 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 12:18:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6B52D02EF for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 12:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4QIJAqM021303 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:19:10 -0400 Received: from core-dle001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.129]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DAFA5E000081 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: George Haynes X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36081-STANDARD Received: from 72.230.233.142 by Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.107) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 May 2012 14:19:09 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF09832DABD66D-738-3D83F@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [72.230.233.142] Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338056350; bh=VSqCJ09FLmS/hpP5YhzXz4U9RSZ6RcT+mpJd3/fZ09Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i5AYH98+C9OpvCn6L4xDqOjApN1OEe9e+4iY1DyieRhRWr+cv998XisD59TRIi9jl CB8WT6YvCwdV9KmGVPqDhK5dZl+/Ho0q1CS6wJLQZHzZdbUyh1Jr6NNvCZ0qPXP7X3 oEqxXGchyHiIgSFI+MGcVo9prpnZuFKNJUD6ZrBc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:309961344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4fc11e9d0dd4 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tires X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad, A good size for 15x5.0" wheels is 185/70R15. It retains the original diameter of the 165 with a wider section/tread width. Vredestein makes a tire in that size; you should be able to find others. George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 18:41:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54E42D02CA for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:41:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com [67.231.153.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483D82D0222 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0002344 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q4R0XoDT031425 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 20:41:57 -0400 Received: from dm0227.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 152u38gmhe-1 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 20:41:57 -0400 X-Eon-Dm: dm0227 Received: by dm0227.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9bfa) id dm0227.4f90dc4d.701758 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 17:41:57 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQNqwPlPwXhVfQ57eQIAAAAB,fb06b410d2a943be1772b60f2ce3c861 X-Originating-Ip: 67.235.155.250 From: Robert Jones Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 19:41:55 -0500 Message-Id: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-26_06:2012-05-21,2012-05-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1205260325 Subject: [TR] Brake light switch X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a good original round brake light switch for a TR6 they would be willing to part with? I got one of the current square Lucas switches and it fell apart installing it. The round one lasted for 37 years. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 18:58:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0D62D0310 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D5C2D02C0 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44202E021 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 19:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC17D3C.40908@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 19:02:52 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> In-Reply-To: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light switch X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If it doesn't offend your sensibilities, go to a Honda dealer and get one for an '87 Civic Si. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 19:15:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE5C2D02DA for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 19:15:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89122D0277 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 19:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so3429845dak.14 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:16:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jvYwhhyfH4BNe2nmVxLkYWdR4vhuLB/+I8xLJISBrMg=; b=nyDhYzSRqNu9MSBkfVysilc0ZS+C86A0LqALPdYFJUv3cesIJ8ykw/FH5/NtQEfcWj 9EW87z9WuShcLgosUBLrr9vuy81lKUQs6B1FQjN1S5lIGR0W0ylhLA8gizrlHt1TfAep rnE2Td5+/m7L7DBVknWYfreCFpJgCdTqZc0SXJgHAEDZw2JwktHCn9DgpbDyJDH/ilIe inuHSX1zw3z0F4sSlMjB43PWfl3VcC5yh8Csn4T68klZhDtr8rseBgbj53Gs+nsfP39B t0QU7H7XhtCQLGeQPbG3S/UVLAgiW6P1QwMXbdZrHSjJPZc1bo401XFqVbW9gDACBanY m0QQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.237.165 with SMTP id vd5mr12717242pbc.116.1338081363152; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.30.8 with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 21:16:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: Benjamin Zwissler To: triumphs@autox.team.net, soknacki@soknacki.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You might be right, and you're on the right track, but my guess is the fuel is boiling (or nearly) in the bowls themselves. Check your float level setting and if its not at the highest end of the specified range (making for lowest fuel level in the bowl) set it there or maybe even a little higher (lower bowl fuel level) if the setting it at the extreme end of the range doesn't work. If you change it much you may have to readjust your jets to correct the mixture, a lower level in the bowl will mean a leaner mixture. Lowering the level in the bowl makes it harder for the fuel to run run up through the jet and into the manifold. Also, you could look at replacing your carb insulating mounts with some of the newer ones advertised to be better insulators than the old ones. I had a friend who did this with good results. I've had this problem more with Strombergs than SUs (my experiences is on TR4As), maybe the separate bowl on the SUs stays cooler, but don't really know. Regardless, if this doesn't work you're on the right track of reducing heat to the fuel/carbs. Ben...... Quoted Message: Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:21:52 -0400 From: "David Soknacki" To: Subject: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle Message-ID: < 411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi List! Am I the only TR6 driver who turns off his engine when stopped at red lights in hot weather? I do it because otherwise my engine sputters to a stall. This happens only when the engine and ambient temperature are hot. I have a stock engine, and have been using regular gas since I bought the car in 2003. My guess that the gas is boiling on its way to the carburetors. Is that right? I first thought that I might fix the problem by installing one of those stainless heat shields next to the carburetors, but no luck. So what to do? - buy premium gas? - put in a gas additive? - wrapping or coating the manifold? Many thanks for your advice. David Soknacki 74 TR6 CF22072U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 20:28:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897D22D02BB for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 20:28:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215CD2D0287 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 20:28:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=hURQzA460pAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HscVYbQ95qHH6Lt0BykA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FC/75-07741-26191CF4; Sun, 27 May 2012 02:28:50 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'David Soknacki'" , References: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 19:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: <030d01cd3bb0$743d26e0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac06oR7P4+cGXQdITl6cdP2Cybg/1QApRAogABp8CXA= In-Reply-To: <411515FCDF0F4C5EB8215EF96AB4941D@Ecom.local> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 stalling at idle X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I first thought that I might fix the problem by installing > one of those > stainless heat shields next to the carburetors, but no luck. If adding a heat shield made no difference, then I suspect you have some other problem. I'd be looking for a leaky float valve, or the fuel pressure being a bit too high, or perhaps a plastic float that has started to absorb ethanol. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 05:32:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17D62D020E for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 05:32:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD5BF2D01C9 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 05:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 11:32:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.168] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 11:32:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 11:32:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 991481.96336.bm@omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99060 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2012 11:32:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338118331; bh=o38ihkzbwbnDnTkULjv9fXT3JfsKqlqqj+YVCOLN8Xs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4d/LYQ2sfcVNvyVDZYiWCYNUjcfq25O1Di8c1YMbTrA4eBClm39B6zluAmDkBHwmrITPK2nIMmZMyfSPjrBuLKIieKCOHn+1hz8TM17HwcjV0nVztLUP+wJ0vRwTB3sCXJMBGbw4YdQsgyg44+1glKCMXZElaeabESDJqUFi+DU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QMzuTNoa1E8htoaiIDb3eMY73IxzReqJIeXREIMIEBHHxgWoIo7005oCp7BbXRS60RW91j+5yS5wqeYalcy14hXjd/iPQW3ImhbGYlGfuy7xMI10wZWPHoXHSWJOxdmZ2ONDMNNs8RM/BkV+jgLDf1oOvySY1yAvVU8LCR9mB2Q=; X-YMail-OSG: p8B4ThIVM1luWZ6f0HXEk43XAuuf5hDtamxAoSbTXsbfrIO Dgz2vv_gfB1Wmk364NjJwenYxE4LoiM2mql1kBlHhtX7qg0McG0NUMK5IzrY RWFkbzbUrTp7tPYkdBUgQj1UmHr8P05W3K65YnJIYaaQIHdj4vZ3BtJZYJXn 6YR75HotquBf90fH2u561Ppuc1biaRW9JWLxXqpEe37TjWu0hkMlcgBn.i95 Kyg7JGW4gReDqOrrBK6vAIGbXUv2IfCHzCtngMhGqdI1AUZLxgkFLDYYWmzH EQOBG5qK0SbRlxvmajJX5qVgS7z5o7k7H9NpdZawdgazUz9_5oHipgWXLKWJ YREPlfwjlZXP.vq8X.9jUEtdGKjYwFuPe1JpyOrBW7KQOHQvP_IbvFevfmEK mf7qNLSYU9GHvgK_i2EJlaDlh8aMOaAJ2Ye4IN79QvQUUXPuYMTjU3.MxO.p 0u2JMlCS_5JAWaBY9zxNy1zixXtpByD0SSeMC9CAdvaOrJueOE90GMMJ33ZR URn2aqJ4BbyYwVJKT_hr33YGrRA.Q6YQ- Received: from [70.177.116.234] by web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2012 04:32:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> Message-ID: <1338118331.97070.YahooMailNeo@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 04:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: Robert Jones , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light switch X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Go to O'Reilly's Auto Parts and get one to fit a '71 Ford truck. It runs about $6 and has a lifetime warranty. Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: Robert Jones To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [TR] Brake light switch Does anyone have a good original round brake light switch for a TR6 they would be willing to part with? I got one of the current square Lucas switches and it fell apart installing it. The round one lasted for 37 years. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 06:19:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D922D0249 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 06:19:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC462D0219 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 06:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (146.90.252.64.snet.net [64.252.90.146]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lx8eP-1Rxi2u0lwn-016WSk; Sun, 27 May 2012 08:19:52 -0400 X-Vipre-Scanned: 14B5F60E002EC514B5F75B-TDI Message-ID: <66DA766A6805459289E0A6288E1E7527@BobPC> From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Robert Jones" , References: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> In-Reply-To: <2C549160-E74F-492A-B2ED-FC971D1312E3@wfeca.net> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 08:19:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:iF7x42hfwUQrxbVPwMThqnL/On3k+mNhmFVAbk0/Ehl 4J3jOSffgMA6JVTXX6oTH6hs7umwizJjcg+L/M9mHsdSYpcSf7 adnqiyO8UEZWsiK2qyfvTMQWiFhA30CeXZJf5H33JqEzoER2QF lbhgG+swEfiGOvRnMRTG1evzeG4Ya6zTR15PKcRVfcohVzC57Y rZnAsN3oULJAslts3qzJnU8eAxLyAXGXhIGk4TWFy4Gn1Be8su Db/OaYUpDA8wx3E6PBIt5LSBwA1HAevKFKmnzpFfIKSlb64LMK ECdiegWEH9urpNFcRh7WYrociN6JquB3d6lUYc67AgU+bRYCSe 0xC74poN5kmRwMSbOCVAkFznNRhHwt/udEPdZTl2+ Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light switch X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just picked these two up on eBay to compare the quality and posted the results on my site (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AltBrakeSwitch.htm) Both appear to be of excellent quality with all metal construction except for the plastic insulator at the connection end. They're also easy to install and infinitely adjustable. No need to bend the mounting tab with these guys. If you want to give a shot at repairing the original switch here's how I did that and it lasted for about a year (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/BrakeSwitch.htm) Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jones Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:41 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light switch Does anyone have a good original round brake light switch for a TR6 they would be willing to part with? I got one of the current square Lucas switches and it fell apart installing it. The round one lasted for 37 years. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:45:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C21A2D03DF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:45:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7542D029C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:41:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=N5qr5hBB c=1 sm=0 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:17 a=c7HclPYBVJoA:10 a=kUSHYda-BbMA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=GHOmxbwo6PAn7HfyWPwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=tlytdczlYL08dMdRJ1opsQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.78.254.155 Received: from [74.78.254.155] ([74.78.254.155:52058] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0D/AD-01555-127C3CF4; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: <4FC3C721.8080705@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:42:41 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley References: In-Reply-To: Cc: TR list Subject: Re: [TR] identify transmission X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chuck, My guess would be a late TR6. Bob On 05/28/2012 02:27 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several > years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am > wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side > of the tranny: > 306812WYF E336/R ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 13:05:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA452D034A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1652D0208 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so2226777yen.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:06:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+3rJS4rUWvtuf8aA7pfhkQDFoCeJ05kFd7m/uf/cam0=; b=hAYheumCxXgJemUgv8H3OuBSI71tIWsHM8LsukNNEVm7XpstehH2MZOlo1ei1RQJvs 6fzzykvESgheBFiAL5ZjxRNK1OQVUnGj514ZgDOgB2yE+UpcGfAp1i5mUmRsCtyXFSKY uZQQrYGI35AC1e1H6Gvt2a2wQewLy9e0z+bq2sExdaHbtTPYGjtCEQm+0PBMwLkZDCKp erkBx/+Bb+A3S3B9Ua6TN8So64Gz9X/45i19tSKfj1+wOu7jkXOwvZQGCvNjfiyJ3qmU DVWH0N78dRzuiCxgM9m04esOfNfiPJv0DsVKEkTSq/E95W4+au18FbjdKgZrhFivSq4n C3sA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.219.194 with SMTP id pq2mr5161060igc.25.1338231963825; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:06:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC3C721.8080705@adelphia.net> References: <4FC3C721.8080705@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Bob Labuz X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: TR list Subject: Re: [TR] identify transmission X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: > My guess would be a late TR6. > Googling that number seems to confirm that. One hit*: http://www.trregistry.com/start/TR6/reports/indivdata.php?vin=CF50710U * ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 13:31:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA63C2D02D3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:31:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb01.cogeco.net (wmsmtp.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6438F2D027A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:29:18 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkKADnRw0/AqMjN/2dsb2JhbABEtDkDgSSBB4MoBwMNiTSXNoZLmhKLHVSBO4MWA5UXhXGKAIJ8gUM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,672,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="4846711" X-SBRS: None Received: from unknown (HELO cogeco.ca) ([192.168.200.205]) by wmipb01.cogeco.net with SMTP; 28 May 2012 15:30:06 -0400 From: amcewen2@cogeco.ca To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Cogeco Webmail - complaints to abuse@cogeco.ca ( 206.177.43.73 - amcewen2@cogeco.ca ) X-Originating-IP: 206.177.43.73 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:30:06 -0400 Message-id: <4fc3d23e.7c.4947.14493@cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A wanted X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: amcewen2@cogeco.ca List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You've got mail... > > Hey guys, > Hate to bomb the lists, but I might be able to kill two birds with one stone. > I have a good friend looking for a nice TR3A/B project. > > If anyone has one or knows of one let me know off list. > Thx, > Alex Manzo > 59TR3A > 72TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 13:57:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982502D028C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:57:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79672D0271 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9602C2E024 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC3D9C6.2040201@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:02:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] J Type O/D X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The fellow who bought my TR250 put a later J type gearbox in it. It involved some surgery to the frame to fab up some mounts that fit, not a simple task. But he did get it working and was happy with it once done. Wish I still had that one - he offered me a chance to buy it back. It was bad timing - I had just lost my job at the U of U and didn't think buying another car at the time would be a wise thing to do. On a different note, Bailey's will be closed this week while Mike does some vacationing in Oregon, so I'll have time to work on stuff, like getting the Team.Net archives working properly again. I know many folks miss that functionality. One thing I have been meaning to do for quite some time is reply to all those who contributed to Team.Net during the fund drive or just because. So be patient, you may hear from me soon if you've made use of the donate link! mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 15:05:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1602D0300 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 15:05:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D722D02D3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 15:00:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=N5qr5hBB c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4UpWu-R8AAAA:20 a=NTSgNlMagsObJXFkA_EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OMkqJ05298kA:10 a=ddZT45GQ4RAA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 32/FB-01555-987E3CF4; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:00:58 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'" , "'TRlist'" References: Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:00:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001801cd3d14$fb017770$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac09ACyH0x+4c6r6QOSquUtR89/bGgAD/lkg Subject: Re: [TR] identify transmission X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am > wondering of anybody can identify it through the model > numbers on the side > of the tranny: No serial number stamped on the boss for the clutch shaft? http://goo.gl/wYJvl -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 19:29:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3134E2D037D for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:29:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09CE2D0156; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so8658170obb.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7hhceaO/O7lqu6WeasHu8RewxaU+Zsl6Wh2KxTMBpkQ=; b=FHiR2osC3mZa5QnymxhCzQ4opQ0KzxxIgFhct/60dKiUuY6qqXKbco0fH3zOBM+b18 H7GFuxoVBYTzj07R9knBVSvaUIdzMhzys0kFNl+DGjBqvGbaAFpqUsSuHaWGMjzJgq2m 0RCoriEQv66Oe5U6yIWGqk41vuJnOYzj4j3PyWvkfGVZQAmL/UOHsDa3y0Dvy9wsKwl7 txysJ6Z6YSP4xWOtEIKBYCONNQ6I9tblHZpQM+PiiNPsLYUHLbmHAwQ3KdbfVeqtQf9J 6/8jjq9HsPLdihnUx/CvIUljA/hcB9FFdbwZtduvKtUWNtnjTmI7utlKyuJp33DwjlIj K/JQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.222.200 with SMTP id qo8mr5639652igc.20.1338254855603; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000601cd3d30$e688c520$b39a4f60$@charter.net> References: <000601cd3d30$e688c520$b39a4f60$@charter.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:27:35 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: "Alex & Janet Thomson" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: spitfires@autox.team.net, CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com, 6pack@autox.team.net, Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We always have a 'Phantom Car Show' to kick off British Car Week -- it was held last Saturday at an empty parking lot in mid-town Tucson. Drew about 40 cars, no formalities or prizes -- just rolls & cookies and bring your own coffee. As a complete surprise to us, this fellow was in Flagstaff and heard about it from one of our members in New Mexico. He made a 'little' side trip (from his 50,000 mile One Lap for America) to participate: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/04/24/driving-away-cancer-a-50-state-odyssey-begins/ It made a nice addition to our celebration of the week. Geo H On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson < aljlthomson@charter.net> wrote: > LBC Drivers - Don't forget! This is British Car Week. Sidestep the few > showers and get the old iron out and running. See the link. > > > > Alex Thomson > > Connecticut Triumph Register > > > > www.britishcarweek.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 09:03:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766712D0333 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:03:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 628A12D031F for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 15:01:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.162] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 15:01:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 15:01:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 443632.89646.bm@omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76338 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2012 15:01:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338303666; bh=FqDY/rVq2FOvet+3DYlyWds8D+FmYVq0ZKKs3OXkMuM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZN0rgQfADLNCq++rGC4epoJGxfpKOUos7N+6IgbrQai7ZfvD067IcxQ9C27zVndQypOHgqZLRha+CTHp2lrNdSyYrIqpNdiI5swYzbvUDBdBYdrp8VUAn0GPM0w3c/YzucPTIQXVkub8DyABmCnlV1WwmS71wjl4xGqknaKgOiU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DvBg2XYtPv7RRC4abo2dQc0VmipITK+9TAeS3W0yX0U2BrcP/XW1ICvlhLYhN77fexxfHGMxXk6ZhO4+UqsB2C57bZI/n3b1l9cRhYMzTMn2bVT2smLnXhJ1Z0AYm4teEHNzR00kwo8VklZxC4n13jOF97I0yXBPE74vMcZRXc0=; X-YMail-OSG: naBXSmEVM1nitZ3n8dOKQvv.WnXD9MRQ9GiekAb1nVnJ0J5 P.eB7ZFLyQReDM77..6FoAc3BoUIBBp_ThQYKfKFLNsD7dy.3uDstTJG1ltR M7OFZvMasqK1fqyKrVi1WPEriEdj1qJSRMJThqv27.R0LMy_UJZJbG2suRSg UcYAmuC2ZdpJWFwOsbJv0yYg1brhkK5arEqL0iqJ9NSvf36HeQ5XjImQyeyw ayMv8EHOlNIQTOOWh.9.WwMEkoFcvPQDU8Mq3aeqYVx.0bf6saNr7qzp4mQe IN0On8tlJh.p2LHaSgtiEVeO33f2mH0AVSo8aIlvCAIFT3yZBlatXNWECLZq DD6ePvtkdem9o.rBkmYMFKOw0cDUQ.MSZy8e_oRcDEowbecBHscm1M3TOxcZ 9_xRQaa_Jq.UizcRjNNACrhd2hHSaW_lspmxApBFbZ7X1hdi2y95OPooT0c2 qSqsSHP62d1JXuB1uHfC2DAnDd0JF8CRHnGSsyhlhubWxRkNrfkt3xgGPmUj iESsdkRBnf4niQCiv.1IoztDwQ0m0ad1XmebW8NOpReJGH71cbVM8sh61bY8 N4wrxFT5nVOpx1VrKUjL6GZENO1Z5Mc5_be_YvcYYABgC5XjxvxcPYjoMRbt .ksrXlj8sSIAQ5UpvLGlAjTHgs3gXXQuVHdBrrgx.1kckPtHYgSLjqhY.MYr 3tQgo2ppVVDYhCJ3E2s9_CNSEOw7H Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:01:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <000601cd3d30$e688c520$b39a4f60$@charter.net> Message-ID: <1338303666.46410.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Geo Hahn , Alex & Janet Thomson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "spitfires@autox.team.net" , "CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com" , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John is a southern california native. so you can imagine my suprise when i met him and his car at the Mitty last month. a real gentleman and a great guy. Frank From: Geo Hahn To: Alex & Janet Thomson Cc: spitfires@autox.team.net; CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com; 6pack@autox.team.net; Triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week We always have a 'Phantom Car Show' to kick off British Car Week -- it was held last Saturday at an empty parking lot in mid-town Tucson. Drew about 40 cars, no formalities or prizes -- just rolls & cookies and bring your own coffee. As a complete surprise to us, this fellow was in Flagstaff and heard about it from one of our members in New Mexico. He made a 'little' side trip (from his 50,000 mile One Lap for America) to participate: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/04/24/driving-away-cancer-a-50-state- odyssey-begins/ It made a nice addition to our celebration of the week. Geo H On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson < aljlthomson@charter.net> wrote: > LBC Drivers - Don't forget! This is British Car Week. Sidestep the few > showers and get the old iron out and running. See the link. > > > > Alex Thomson > > Connecticut Triumph Register > > > > www.britishcarweek.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 14:55:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3442D03D7 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:55:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F8962D03B5 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 20:53:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 20:53:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 20:53:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 379032.3161.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26176 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2012 20:53:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338324834; bh=BysLIKsQhBH6hc63wReYpQEnM655Bxlhu1yJWTYh2PE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=stIXShY7JPCA+CFIOv7fLG7T8Zc4M2jBPJ86AJTtzy0Azpm7th0o5zzi0YiGrYqtrO0P7CldBQFZJF49kobPyOd16DlcxAxqAp0XovPlZjgpdssNJo5IAxHFvTY5XqcNKum/BjSQFAoywnyDj1QW2RIwN8VI8zTIE6m/N2ocbm0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yarV5rcI9Q/YxlguWvdpisXRZjE57K01UkxHLvluS1nSbxIoMYQsf6nbIoP4ELZk0xd9IqBsDV01gMnl+hwdYtqgW5CNlOYCSPd/PWZD/JLHdQWv2vt2LIfKaMH6Kx+MOBuiz9NFNnObJF8N49XVCQwixz0mAxuKbazxwcndgbI=; X-YMail-OSG: Nint8DgVM1mY7aFhSpi1cV.N_TVQ845nO4dstqw4hD3MrGF NGzG7dadtjO1VKKP0CSJRAxJy8D5PjViKwW.OSF_S.KKBojHOuq_geE_7LVi e70ap21pzOQrojQQ732tUKdLDDxAA5xrjLkRLmLwkyPn3Q5cv3Npa3cuDvXP RpTsokfTRUbrYbbH4pMs4Mcd0aRiDZfHeiydvNvNVEQGZRpQPtmOL6wHJcNO SQEaYi6YMLGM_GIpvoYZxF4oMobtujHM7WYOVivZMFj2SOOmJO14lWfKqIxt 5yzhYiXosrDOsJv4fEElYzPxZfPR3YJkPokJfkyP.WgMyjk0w.3aB3bIXp.u Eq9EWO6RUDB2uzSoo5a1VcSaCcvGl4vC4Z7ozZkKZI6NLHCrRUyE_jo6TAnx qpc83I5pncsZETvZLbsKJpD4fHTu8Gl7Pifk1_gSKwWRFiR6Epxou9JlrdaH lFG_kYR.QN7HfWQJVWQGV6S4g Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:53:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1338324834.25117.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Mark J Bradakis , Triumphs , "Spitfires@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week undertaking X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net all the support you need will come from that refrigerator! Frank From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs ; Spitfires@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: [TR] British Car Week undertaking This could be tough. I may need some moral support later this week! http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=130 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 15:04:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94262D0385 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:04:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1C62C0015; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:01:06 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=mmXqfWNMIRCEsGSF8NcJD1Ldr2Ghq4K3R9pizhi7DUozAZ1yrDVvNDrJuaDKnEri; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-12l25c1.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.21.129] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZTYB-0002zE-7G; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4FC53936.3050105@rmi.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:01:42 -0500 From: Pat Fischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark J Bradakis References: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120529-1, 05/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 1566cb2b159fe469f572e6f2f0078041cbbccd10efae7e57df15e53994a3bb1e667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Cc: Triumphs , Spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week undertaking X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, dear. I THINK it looks like a pretty car! Maybe a garage sale to help with Spit restoration? Pat On 5/29/2012 3:42 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This could be tough. I may need some moral support later this week! > > http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=130 > > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pfischer@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 15:38:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259582D0390 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:38:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114772C03B3; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCF32E023; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC54220.5080905@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:39:44 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs , Spitfires@autox.team.net References: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> <4FC53936.3050105@rmi.net> In-Reply-To: <4FC53936.3050105@rmi.net> Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week undertaking X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pat Fischer wrote: > Oh, dear. I THINK it looks like a pretty car! You'll be seeing more pictures of it as the week goes on. It really doesn't look that bad! > Maybe a garage sale to help with Spit restoration? > Actually I think I have all the parts I need to just get it running again, so it won't cost much, just fresh oil, gas, etc. But I'm always willing to accept contributions to the Fat Chance Garage Tool and Beverage Fund! I do have some items in the garage left over from the shop that I no longer need, will be selling those locally, here in Salt Lake. Getting the Killer Spit back into shape, that's a different story! mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 18:51:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A762D040A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 18:51:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F822C0D42; Tue, 29 May 2012 18:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [173.67.137.49]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4T002IU92H8XT0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:51:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'Triumphs'" , References: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> In-reply-to: <4FC534CE.6080309@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:50:48 -0400 Message-id: <007201cd3dfe$417e0da0$c47a28e0$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 X-Antivirus: avast! X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Thread-index: Ac092zPPcl47fHDnSi2j/XQVRm4oJQAIF94g Content-language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120529-1, 05/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Week undertaking X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark; I'll be driving my TR3 this week. The car hasn't been a driver since 1993. If I still lived up in Cottonwood Canyon I'd be over to help you dig that poor thing out. The reality is that all I can offer you now is extreme moral support from the Keystone State. If I send you a picture of mine on the road would you send me a picture of yours on the road? Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:43 PM To: Triumphs; Spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] British Car Week undertaking This could be tough. I may need some moral support later this week! http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=130 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 06:14:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C052D04C3 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 06:14:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E0EC2D01C2 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 06:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 12:07:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 12:07:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 12:07:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 320352.87367.bm@omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91066 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2012 12:07:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338379655; bh=ERulcYp6a/EhaM/+gX2dhLkTwCjpE+nnU2BHWo177sA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rctHGxsjRMaToVrYzAsq55elZ36oqNeeuPZ0gBHkwd8HAp0i5hc0Z2D+Y3R549rYb6XHWmk10qJ5+lkqN/tXaCHGwW7Njguc5htVe3GBVlYcLyHpI0INSsNqxr2mBuak9CEHcnY36AkBs24+uzF/cVWdf/nAfn1muMiKbZ9CEKQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=thL/cXOAdYzTDnkBJYc3FT7S+pBDEDJKg+oyeoj+piJRJYCSeKP4s2TdV/d3tECxhbZDSxTvqzRO1q0ZDOjGG6ED1WnQ1gwoKQvOXyFl9EUm7NvnGk0VGIphOnxjKwwDyXTLQpVgGNJNHKuoIxoG6aGRdjs25368jgu/lAM3dP8=; X-YMail-OSG: Lh6fr04VM1kNhGKSfUNtJ0Cn4WTYLC5F.daQeYG.uGW1eiq .x8cuEcKI5Q0AfmNbllG4Zle1P0.3QL8cJVVIaNJqyZmjYSefqGlwPQ6uEhu TlJcT8yXVmudMFOILBEVrY4odFQe9w6YONYo2xE7lN2baw3NYxPxGzrAgqZL NWEhGYrW8Oh4H8FmXKYeImuYzEZio7dXgJwXJ3T5sJFeHLJ_X7fZw3IiJLu5 E_3.jzlbfP8KvvKQIu_P6Jk.C9cw.A7XFGblck3aWCoQkosTsRnmC9TViKLS 0XXcx9LcaxVkVNQTzo_ZvuhmdZOqRgwxgZnyCqqvGVQME5xyDCf2YHsUDzAh JjRlsllLfJwPGtR1zsrH7cXhbperoXMO2wo45qjaUnBvEsIrKqGOtZrxrpcn LIFKehcPyG6FS1P8WCJiFztFJRDp9a51IupMr29RDlcQsiCvs5WDpG8KEuCf dIduRFhMf5kHxC8XJSlX03PhImE_JgEfe Received: from [72.81.238.11] by web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 05:07:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1338331462.60848.YahooMailNeo@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338379654.90439.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 05:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: robert rudolphi To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1338331462.60848.YahooMailNeo@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] 74 TR6 Braking issue X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert rudolphi List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello All, Over the last year or so I have noticed a strange braking issue on my TR6. When I am stopped at a red light, after a few seconds the car will start to roll if I am on anything but level ground. I can push harder on the break and it will stop and if I pump the brakes they seem to firm up. It feels like they loose clamping pressure. During normal stopping everything feels fine. Do you think they need to be bled, Master cylinder needs replacing???? Thanks in advance for any assistance. Robert Robert Rudolphi 74 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 07:02:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B8C2D047C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:02:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC65D2D03DD for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:00:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4J4aUrHEj-KJoETRnkMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DE/BE-05935-F0A16CF4; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:01:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'robert rudolphi'" , References: <1338331462.60848.YahooMailNeo@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1338379654.90439.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 06:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002101cd3e64$46f00840$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1338379654.90439.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac0+Xd8hZpOklFB/Sr2RXNBXj8iEkAABR1Mg Subject: Re: [TR] 74 TR6 Braking issue X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > When I am stopped at a red light, after a few > seconds the car will > start to roll if I am on anything but level ground. I can > push harder on the > break and it will stop and if I pump the brakes they seem to > firm up. If you're not losing fluid, it's almost certainly the master cylinder. My Stag had the same symptom when I got it; not too long afterwards the MC quit working entirely. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 12:04:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA4D2D0411 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:04:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B47702D0384 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 18:02:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.154] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 18:02:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 18:02:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 806288.56299.bm@omp1037.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 62175 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2012 18:02:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338400942; bh=HRaNNhmBeMGctN+S9scnc3lexjBDS8+1RLhaJNSFlMc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0SYbhIwyQtkr0H5cDhHepZ6LsqoU00z+z93fCb/hbu70wuAUXIvARdEB++hG/Gvg2uI/a8QHCVHTCduN8WyWKvyjtSTxMzj5ZY7jL/C1Hh5JVyW36s2dibka+8rZNPgAzWJil4Ozh6w0tW2eJRsuiIt5R0GH9/tyhUDMjTdyDTI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KfK9HWNVBo+aRcacjSSV26TVJOuxs+4YTuvjD1jCAP783pac7sbiJbZ0g8C7gQhI4zxcHvjEuLC9VqlgixWcmavZa+V+WAUbKr5LiHOgKqSzKUSsaHFwRdPAf96BlZkQmF4mSSX2KljJyvzCDl99Iou77HP0+NvUCaprZ/ma/YE=; X-YMail-OSG: ftvEjxQVM1lCZzd8CMbH3vwEgS3xOkNqnx3eRXz_n3Z_Z3w GfIo8kc5404egW7QaOLv_TdTCGRbKTsaGO_rrCCvHVRzsp9dKOskealXc8Fm u.uugah2nKvjc9NbX_1p5eY4gpB10rrIh3_YyqsE4KQ33ci.kKW2AMrfqKt5 kWES3lDKtF_WqRd_9NK6abP2Vp.iM2_JZi4qSt1rta1WDAEeZRpO8ON9YSxQ ClURsN.MmH79IGXovnM6dnMK0kw1NZOus56_.aKHCS3ajKOaz_lmiITLueic FuRdJrQajR9dexIE2mBA0ZSq4KdpfaT69iPYobnuNbycsinQQUWets.H0rg5 QnangWCltGSgL3qGn4HdRtt7IEFVJzSrFEql4EQsz.wy9XqkjSDjr5pECI7w awYeOf1VW8sSpxbBqTE9Oixz0ipC5_qXBwUCRomV27w9nGFiNdgA- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:02:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338400942.45879.YahooMailNeo@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] SU air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've installed a TR-4A exhaust manifold on my tr-3 and therefor had to use a different intake manifold which pushed the carbs out toward the inner fender at least another inch. I'll need to fit different air filters and believe I've read some where that the K and N tapered ones might fit without "adjusting" the inner fender.LOL Does anyone have experience with this? I also was curious about how filters are measured. Moss sells tapered K and N's in sizes 1 1/2" as well as 1 and 3/4. The intake hole in my carb is 1 and 5/8. Am I measuring the right thing? thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 12:30:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49772D046A for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:30:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FC72D03D8 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GEuh1j0031zF43QAFJWc59; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:30:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.7] ([76.127.105.211]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GJWX1j00i4ZgrnQ8kJWcK6; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:30:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: William Pugh In-Reply-To: <1338400942.45879.YahooMailNeo@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:30:31 -0700 Message-Id: <2D1C4B5F-41C7-418F-A6D1-F33B31C48FA1@comcast.net> References: <1338400942.45879.YahooMailNeo@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> To: Gary Nafziger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] SU air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Did the same thing, had to use the real narrow 1/2 inch? And cut the bottom off the front one. On May 30, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I've installed a TR-4A exhaust manifold on my tr-3 and therefor had to use a > different intake manifold which pushed the carbs out toward the inner fender > at least another inch. I'll need to fit different air filters and believe > I've read some where that the K and N tapered ones might fit without > "adjusting" the inner fender.LOL Does anyone have experience with this? > > I > also was curious about how filters are measured. Moss sells tapered K and N's > in sizes 1 1/2" as well as 1 and 3/4. The intake hole in my carb is 1 and > 5/8. Am I measuring the right thing? > > > thanks! > > gary n. > Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 13:31:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F5A2D0377 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D7C2D033F for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:30:11 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFABF1xk+qI+BB/2dsb2JhbABEhUqdXJBrgx4BAQQBIysrBQcPDgMEAQEDAg0ZAjMUCggGEx0Eh1wDBgULpj+IcwiJU4EjiQFhhDSBEgOWJ4leCwOEeIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,686,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="246833979" X-Originating-IP: [170.35.224.65] Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 30 May 2012 19:30:59 +0000 Received: from cl02-zms04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (cl02-host04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [205.238.194.151]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8452F80AA; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:30:59 +0000 (UTC) From: tr3abobm77@frontier.com To: William Pugh Message-ID: <1854741443.2157442.1338406259291.JavaMail.root@cl02-host04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net> In-Reply-To: <772366610.2157438.1338406251905.JavaMail.root@cl02-host04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Previous-IP: 170.35.224.65 X-Originating-IP: [170.35.224.65] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.UBUNTU8_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.UBUNTU8_64) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] SU air filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I sort of did the same thing. Mine project is still in the "Evaluation" phase. What I elected to do was to eliminate the heat spacer between the intake manifold and the carbs. I am using the stock TR3A carbs and air cleaners and still have 1/4 inch between the front air cleaner and the inner fender. I drove it a few hundred mile last summer like this and have noticed no problems due to removing the heat spacer. I don't have the intake manifold bolted to the exhaust manifold either because I don't drive it in cold weather and have no need to heat the intake. Bob Maassel 59 TR3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Pugh" To: "Gary Nafziger" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:30:31 PM Subject: Re: [TR] SU air filters Did the same thing, had to use the real narrow 1/2 inch? And cut the bottom off the front one. On May 30, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I've installed a TR-4A exhaust manifold on my tr-3 and therefor had to use a > different intake manifold which pushed the carbs out toward the inner fender > at least another inch. I'll need to fit different air filters and believe > I've read some where that the K and N tapered ones might fit without > "adjusting" the inner fender.LOL Does anyone have experience with this? > > I > also was curious about how filters are measured. Moss sells tapered K and N's > in sizes 1 1/2" as well as 1 and 3/4. The intake hole in my carb is 1 and > 5/8. Am I measuring the right thing? > > > thanks! > > gary n. > Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 13:50:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FFE2D03AA for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:50:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCBA2D0353 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GKjW1j0020FhH24ABKpiov; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GKph1j0014L5TyG8UKphXY; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:49:42 +0000 Message-Id: <1E70B0B8-075E-46FB-8F93-D9A5C7456B2A@comcast.net> From: Bud Rolofson To: triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <0fb701cd34b1$883c2070$0601a8c0@randall> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:49:40 -0600 References: <21894907.652499.1337273375466.JavaMail.root@vms170015> <435900281.566069.1337291095352.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <0fb701cd34b1$883c2070$0601a8c0@randall> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [TR] Paper Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I put a pair of Joe Alexander's velocity stacks on my TR6 recently along with his very nice covers which filter out the big chunks of debris. Wanting a little more protection and filtering I went looking for something to put over the stack covers when I'm not rodding it. What I found was that the cloth drain covers for my hot tub fit nicely with enough resistance to not come off when at highway speed. Don't know how much filtering goes on but it's at least more than before and I can just shake them out when I need to and not mess with a lot of maintenance. My oil may get a little dirtier but the engine sure hums with the velocity stacks. I may test a few different types of material (sponge, etc.) to put between the stack covers and the drain cover just to see what gets caught. Still looking for that fine line between flow and filtering. I like power but not replacing rings. For those with Joe's velocity stacks or just interested: Part Name/ Number: Sundance Spas Drain Cover 6540-213. They are approx. 4 3/4 inches diameter and stretch just a wee bit. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 15:07:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307FA2D03D5 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:07:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm24-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8275E2D034E for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm24.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 21:03:49 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.118] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 21:03:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2012 21:03:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 404883.74324.bm@omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67507 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2012 21:03:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338411829; bh=Y35CPPK/S20YliAxRFSDifVGjxskr8ERfzumIeLjt6k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5bubKPknNRSssd9MMS8sDz5EI3JIgeQtv5gg/Z+mVNAT6FaG1rt54641RySv9/Erp+0v2rbcrHWrCW5ztkga1uK/Sa8/upsbVwPsl2KuyjFhSyZKqgo7cku49XLYwVg2EziWxBEdvYr2IV0hDlNVYtaJVT+FhHW53Xbc3d9gE6Q= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JNJJdd0Cziqm9JdEGbKqAhOvXcrs7+DMkjeH/8OjszCOJvayHszwT+NfDrJr1yWmacOKz8vPIdsOepdDSRHhVQBKJMG4ioLYh0eU+MLCh34Qj1vO+S6s6eCfradSYR4qEFII/ARcrz/tagBjCyznGB5O7+a4H+4GPaZyCiUWKUU=; X-YMail-OSG: YjUjeFMVM1n0mFBBIyYfNUVRQxsaMWuavtIFGp.OzE9ENjp .yziwE9zNKtrC019noQ4sogLCgdTElntBPfvJpuc3kVrjkH4ijctvvleRde6 WaJ2YvmlUk3839e4yKpkZ_TXI3f84blI0AJlR7pqTTRx82PnEhfflS2t_1J_ 4JZXLp1xRPrqElPymmS_FtWlGmL9vpxYG4zQpYNhrGsAIYRPY9UFejQhiQ2m N2sVAqqkgxYzMFW7npcULXBkZh1A.lJsp8.lzjVJWjp7SWUdEXRI3lGokF9S jsf_AjuaX4XUDl.w6zhz1ILEwy50LJiCDFJthL4Ym84ofbGp7i6s5Dm6Kz3. 0R_nugr88CXkjgEadkV3CmzIUsvfCSstrugPNB4NFE09kpxjoiyVL6EWrVpk ODMt3r8sI Received: from [212.139.252.231] by web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:03:48 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <21894907.652499.1337273375466.JavaMail.root@vms170015> <435900281.566069.1337291095352.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <0fb701cd34b1$883c2070$0601a8c0@randall> <1E70B0B8-075E-46FB-8F93-D9A5C7456B2A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1338411828.58910.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:03:48 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1E70B0B8-075E-46FB-8F93-D9A5C7456B2A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Two? Three? weeks ago, there was some active email exchanges on the merits of KN versus other filter types - and I don't intend to re-open that thread. That said, there were a number of issues raised about filter evolution and why some were better than others etc etc. Personally, I felt a number of opinions (while respected by me) were approaching the subject from the wrong direction with the result that a few blind alleys got opened up and even more was inconclusive. Liz and I were away from home soon after the earlier thread closed but in the hopes of better informing myself, I took quite a number of ancient notebooks out of my archive together with another pile of production reports from Standard-Triumph - and used some of our leisure time in the land of The Single Malt, to have a mosey through those dusty pages. The task was even more pleasurable because I'd availed myself of an especially good one from a distillery just down the road! While not answering many of the questions the thread raised, I now have a fascinating insight into the evolution of the air filter on the run-of-the-mill LBC. It goes right back to WW2, the Western Desert conflict, manufacturer ignorance combined with arrogance - and lousy quality oil. I'm now in the process of typing up my findings and while it'll be much too large to appear here, I'll be happy to let others have it who may be interested? Having said that, I'm very aware I've yet to send out the story I offered some weeks ago of where the rust on your Triumph (probably) started. Quite a number of people wrote in requesting a copy and it'll be on its way very soon. The reason for the delay is I'd somehow managed to wipe the pictures I'd taken from my hard disk and had to go out again to take new ones. Those got wiped from the camera - so I had to go yet again. Let me know off list if you want an 'Air Filter' story (not illustrated) or a 'Where My Triumph Started To Rust' story (with pix) - or both. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 15:13:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093882D03D0 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:13:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E5D2D0367 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170060pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4U00KNOTNL9E33@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:14:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 96.255.241.208 ([96.255.241.208]) by vznit170060 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:14:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:14:09 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk, triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <19707870.77662.1338412449381.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [96.255.241.208] Subject: Re: [TR] Air Filters X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That weekend discussion cost me $90 going back and forth between K&N and paper. Can't afford it to start again. Craig 72 TR6 Vienna, VA On 05/30/12, John Macartney wrote: Two? Three? weeks ago, there was some active email exchanges on the merits of KN versus other filter types - and I don't intend to re-open that thread. That said, there were a number of issues raised about filter evolution and why some were better than others etc etc. Personally, I felt a number of opinions (while respected by me) were approaching the subject from the wrong direction with the result that a few blind alleys got opened up and even more was inconclusive. Liz and I were away from home soon after the earlier thread closed but in the hopes of better informing myself, I took quite a number of ancient notebooks out of my archive together with another pile of production reports from Standard-Triumph - and used some of our leisure time in the land of The Single Malt, to have a mosey through those dusty pages. The task was even more pleasurable because I'd availed myself of an especially good one from a distillery just down the road! While not answering many of the questions the thread raised, I now have a fascinating insight into the evolution of the air filter on the run-of-the-mill LBC. It goes right back to WW2, the Western Desert conflict, manufacturer ignorance combined with arrogance - and lousy quality oil. I'm now in the process of typing up my findings and while it'll be much too large to appear here, I'll be happy to let others have it who may be interested? Having said that, I'm very aware I've yet to send out the story I offered some weeks ago of where the rust on your Triumph (probably) started. Quite a number of people wrote in requesting a copy and it'll be on its way very soon. The reason for the delay is I'd somehow managed to wipe the pictures I'd taken from my hard disk and had to go out again to take new ones. Those got wiped from the camera - so I had to go yet again. Let me know off list if you want an 'Air Filter' story (not illustrated) or a 'Where My Triumph Started To Rust' story (with pix) - or both. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 19:04:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCE02D0303 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:04:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BA082D0299 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14172 invoked from network); 31 May 2012 01:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.211) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.235) with ESMTP; 31 May 2012 01:04:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1466320D97AA455B976312687A5AAA03@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: References: <19707870.77662.1338412449381.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> In-Reply-To: <19707870.77662.1338412449381.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:04:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I picked up a TR4 with a header. as such, the manifold studs are really too long and have too big a shoulder. there were some interesting spacers holding the whole thing together. can I just get shorter ones some where? do they have to be special in some way? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:06:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F5D2D02F9 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:06:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92C52D02CD for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:03:47 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.0.25] (97-120-65-150.ptld.qwest.net [97.120.65.150]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4V00B1Z739XD80@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 02:04:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-30_04:2012-05-21,2012-05-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205300335 From: Darrell Walker In-reply-to: <1466320D97AA455B976312687A5AAA03@ranteer.local> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:04:20 -0700 Message-id: References: <19707870.77662.1338412449381.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> <1466320D97AA455B976312687A5AAA03@ranteer.local> To: Dave X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 30, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Dave wrote: > I picked up a TR4 with a header. as such, the manifold studs are really too long and have too big a shoulder. there were some interesting spacers holding the whole thing together. > > can I just get shorter ones some where? do they have to be special in some way? Not all of the studs are the same length, so you could source some of he shorter ones. But is the flange on the header thinner than the one on the intake? If so, you will want to use some kind of spacer between the thinner flange and the clamps, otherwise they won't seal the manifold very well. I drilled and tapped the clamp on the end for the thinner manifold, and threaded in a screw with the appropriate thickness head to make up the difference. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 04:10:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC352D033F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:10:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05CC2D02D9 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so576115wib.2 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:11:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Hsrl3Fp303Yf1vNS4KQQjh4Ok/3b/mhQMFRnQE5Aupc=; b=aCCwFA9yYFiJGAv4SEaVOuyWatpipNMqLuTBS1Ouwwp2HSArn7UZW7QWhzE/OXUZIh oAsS8KMecvyXIHe+PCTFIicnHcKN7de9IgwUcvV8Iy9KFqWgRcHmqh0JZS4lMVbz/1ct S9w2OLzPEFFjhlNNT/q72tGOi2tqcqSYjUZNtE1pDBrGwwiDRZnt5EtQ2OEI7yS7i4ba echtPJ7UfEyfryxLGP8XZlXc41C/yeWfqvunVnxpOsCwFb9NW1I2kRJOufN73gGxZAZr GE3V8GzgV3RNUew4iR6QWaK68mXhZwtDko8cwHMuwhimdQDTEs4i195KSeSR5azwCr5x Rn6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.135.204 with SMTP id u54mr12632264wei.40.1338459072713; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:11:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1466320D97AA455B976312687A5AAA03@ranteer.local> References: <19707870.77662.1338412449381.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> <1466320D97AA455B976312687A5AAA03@ranteer.local> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: Dave X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You might find suitable one (of all places) at your local hdw store in specialty hardware. Mine has a tray of manifold studs. Will likely be coarse on both ends. Help section of your flaps will have the same. On May 30, 2012 9:05 PM, "Dave" wrote: > I picked up a TR4 with a header. as such, the manifold studs are really > too long and have too big a shoulder. there were some interesting spacers > holding the whole thing together. > > can I just get shorter ones some where? do they have to be special in > some way? > > thanks! > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 05:32:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3C42D035B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:32:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F3302D0303 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 11:31:40 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.244] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 11:31:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 11:31:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 487000.76428.bm@omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16768 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 11:31:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338463900; bh=AQgJCQkAbWZTs/zBwH7zWY4sn0+Oa/FHM3b2UV6QmOA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Y3KgKIjSAYWer7K1pI9/pL3ZZKtU4y9qK4SSrA32AtQ/NAQCzBFxLo/AQPlxa9JEiAPwFBXnViphDcX6n4tQLO493p0gmTY598BSc7FEWvvpLa52BEt9rn8nvL8177BO22UsSOuenO3aTagmx9X00e18GyYoFHabX15aIkyvr8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qrqfN63lWW4VGxvhlZBbNDW1FneMacWPPkAQVCSs1Y11kJ5z/PvjNAvffrgCsEbGQYYy2lXONtkzbuWjOd0N5yI28eyDegEDnjEQJ6j1OZU6n+WD+wcIJ/wDfHh3kA0IrVPxeZLP8icnohdQWOmWTHoo1vzCfaA/qxAa1bpN3qk=; X-YMail-OSG: zCPj2oIVM1mvl4tEb6D7qiAYIsiK6UD.WXEU7sCEY45GBR. x2C_xYsm0JS4U9qes4ozmeN2K8HZGyOXNve2cgxrPhALUYJ63IyDvwuFfCwB _ZGwvAvVBTt1zPW3M0zz7u6RirIjynLOAiceOur2H44qVsEUAg_zx6oCyNws fyAr4s9HpZa2_TO9IT3M4EIDhu9d48MFbc_H_9D_ietYgPtZy8f72B6jqfRj sRFjAE.ml_VDwTYN1Bg_slX2cIzH.UpcJPj8XmndjQsSNcJs.mUx4HmIkeqh y364bxnsywpMrBqfh18Mo2np8Yfhp_7LzQaAOVqsjJ4Dy4Wfd_X1A0.VbrIV QER.Iham5oIQPgmFicE_EsAVjYMUfFA6d77aRE8nSuccZc3uy Received: from [212.139.252.231] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:31:40 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:31:40 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] "As it left the Factory" Wish us luck ???? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This coming weekend (being Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee) an old and valued friend from Standard-Triumph and I, have prepared his imported and superbly restored TR250 for a special event. Sadly, we were committed to the car event some months ago, so the invitation from The Palace to take part in the River Thames Festival on the Royal Barge came just a tad too late. But never mind, I'm sure Her Majesty will have a lovely day! Anyway, back to the car event. It's a very large one and the organisers are expecting over 2000 LBC's of all makes and types to take part. Mike (my old chum) and I have been busy preparing the 250 for its debut in a group called "As It Left The Factory." Actually, we expect to find a lot of people jockeying for a concours prize in the same category so with our own 'inside knowledge' from days of yore, the 250 has had the following work done to it: 1. The body has been completely sprayed with industrial lanolin. This nicely covers the superb paint job and gives the car a boring, dull, matt finish.We've been careful to ensure an overspray of lanolin around the windscreen edge and glass side windows. All this lanolin will easily wash off with warm water and a high pressure hose - just as did the original stuff. 2. The soft top is covered with protective plastic sheeting held in place with tape around the roof edges and to stop flapping 3. All chromework has been covered in adhesive-backed white cotton masking tape, while stainless or ally brightwork is covered with the lanolin anyway 4. The rostyle hub caps and licence plates have been removed and are in a box in the boot 5. The headlamps are out and waxed cardboard discs cover the headlamp buckets. This is how the cars left the UK anyway and as the 250 now has dip left halogen units instead of the dip right sealed beams, it's entirely right the lights should be removed for 'authentic judging' 6. The red and white indicator lenses are back in place to temporarily replace the yellow ones of a TR5 7. Carpets in the footwells have been removed and are in another box in the boot 8. All upholstery is covered with protective plastic 9. The windscreen has replica (as far as our memories and Photoshop skills allow) production / shipping / storage / anti-freeze labels - and all slapped on it such a way you can hardly see out of it. In other words, just as it left the factory. 10. To complete the picture, we'll be delivering it to the event on a trailer - because that's exactly how the vast majority of export cars came off the line and got themselves shipped to the docks. There's only one thing we've been unable to do and that's to run a set of 1968 Goodyear redlines to earth - but hopefully no-one will notice. We think this plan is just a bit of harmless fun-poking at a real PITA arrogant, know-all (who actually doesn't) UK TR5 enthusiast we know will be there with both his grossly over-restored cars who he maintains are always exhibited as factory fresh. The idea is to park the 250 in between them if we can, while another friend with a Standard 10 Van, signwritten as The Standard Motor Company, Coventry in the original grey/blue paint colour hopes to be very close at hand. Will we be successful? I'll let you know next week. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 06:02:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D352D036B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183B62D031B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so762867yhr.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:02:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=NK+BoU5Cl1wAowXXTYe4f7vGEL3UHruwZYj9DL3cvFo=; b=aWq/fPEbjBAy7Ok/z/HJmASpbPR8VbshNaA5lLRLCeJnhSCWZNM+MGsa3lvGKCxVx6 b78Z3AHEXrZ5oMEav0EOqaJvyEeKhhSu5igQpA7ZUVwowpCPaXyvP03pkb/20DTYcEmW ZUkHU93xFMx6/9QyxWYNsHCwQW1HYSGPtFfNgunDVSsiQy0dydNx/qJV680jT8t2edWi WirFvtMHPQX/jAhTt4yv0EKLTDxquk4Uj7mMHJ9yFq4vJfcL90EeJ4GtC6punI6jw8Ld Eiy8xowTAC80KBEQKR4E/sOSFVv4E/jjl89Y5frrHk9mLev4yRh22kBKBsv5sk7ewzWp CR4w== Received: by 10.236.73.136 with SMTP id v8mr2003403yhd.103.1338465771385; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.203.12.200] (200.sub-75-203-12.myvzw.com. [75.203.12.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4sm4189267anh.16.2012.05.31.05.02.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 05:02:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <2514EC9B-8D74-44EA-AE5A-185B60BFFDDB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Jim Henningsen Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:02:45 -0400 To: John Macartney Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] "As it left the Factory" Wish us luck ???? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like a blast! Good luck and post pictures. Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 (about to get painted after an18 month tear down) 75TR6 Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2012, at 7:31 AM, John Macartney wrote: > This coming weekend (being Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee) an old and valued > friend from Standard-Triumph and I, have prepared his imported and superbly > restored TR250 for a special event. Sadly, we were committed to the car event > some months ago, so the invitation from The Palace to take part in the River > Thames Festival on the Royal Barge came just a tad too late. But never mind, > I'm sure Her Majesty will have a lovely day! > Anyway, back to the car event. > It's a very large one and the organisers are expecting over 2000 LBC's of all > makes and types to take part. Mike (my old chum) and I have been busy > preparing the 250 for its debut in a group called "As It Left The Factory." > Actually, we expect to find a lot of people jockeying for a concours prize in > the same category so with our own 'inside knowledge' from days of yore, the > 250 has had the following work done to it: > > 1. The body has been completely > sprayed with industrial lanolin. This nicely covers the superb paint job and > gives the car a boring, dull, matt finish.We've been careful to ensure an > overspray of lanolin around the windscreen edge and glass side windows. All > this lanolin will easily wash off with warm water and a high pressure hose - > just as did the original stuff. > 2. The soft top is covered with protective > plastic sheeting held in place with tape around the roof edges and to stop > flapping > 3. All chromework has been covered in adhesive-backed white cotton > masking tape, while stainless or ally brightwork is covered with the lanolin > anyway > 4. The rostyle hub caps and licence plates have been removed and are in > a box in the boot > 5. The headlamps are out and waxed cardboard discs cover the > headlamp buckets. This is how the cars left the UK anyway and as the 250 now > has dip left halogen units instead of the dip right sealed beams, it's > entirely right the lights should be removed for 'authentic judging' > 6. The red > and white indicator lenses are back in place to temporarily replace the yellow > ones of a TR5 > 7. Carpets in the footwells have been removed and are in another > box in the boot > 8. All upholstery is covered with protective plastic > 9. The > windscreen has replica (as far as our memories and Photoshop skills allow) > production / shipping / storage / anti-freeze labels - and all slapped on it > such a way you can hardly see out of it. In other words, just as it left the > factory. > 10. To complete the picture, we'll be delivering it to the event on a > trailer - because that's exactly how the vast majority of export cars came off > the line and got themselves shipped to the docks. > > There's only one thing > we've been unable to do and that's to run a set of 1968 Goodyear redlines to > earth - but hopefully no-one will notice. We think this plan is just a bit of > harmless fun-poking at a real PITA arrogant, know-all (who actually doesn't) > UK TR5 enthusiast we know will be there with both his grossly over-restored > cars who he maintains are always exhibited as factory fresh. The idea is to > park the 250 in between them if we can, while another friend with a Standard > 10 Van, signwritten as The Standard Motor Company, Coventry in the original > grey/blue paint colour hopes to be very close at hand. Will we be successful? > I'll let you know next week. > > Jonmac > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 06:06:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFAE2D0325 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:06:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F002D0210 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120531120720.HEZN12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:07:20 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.139.40]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Gc7K1j00N0sV6Ds05c7Khf; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:07:20 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=1F-HOIdIGasA:10 a=1bbo22_aDvQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=sB3BXsIfANGg2wjxVdtBBQ==:17 a=VQHU8yaFVsClIBas6tkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=sB3BXsIfANGg2wjxVdtBBQ==:117 Message-ID: <4FC75EF8.8020208@charter.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:07:20 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120531-0, 05/31/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] "As it left the Factory" Wish us luck ???? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/31/2012 7:31 AM, John Macartney wrote: > We think this plan is just a bit of > harmless fun-poking at a real PITA arrogant, know-all John, you have my endless admiration for carrying out this scheme. I hope that pictures will soon be provided! Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 08:55:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFC42D0347 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:55:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BA042D0330 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 14:53:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.92] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 14:53:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 14:53:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 5530.8666.bm@omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 82914 invoked from network); 31 May 2012 14:53:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=iP8qrPKPfE0ihuKpi7GTl4RQWKYp8i/SEgLSUUDdHdicAaMjWHmcYGPOBmfJe7pwMZzSAVwUc2E5ieSg4uiZ7hi/MljjRV0ikkKnpRzs+3GgXwrqPrEww2rPSfB2s4R7o2bUoFWJGOT/WCYbcnplD7ql9IJwffteRCSP4Nb0NKg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1338476022; bh=USfnCPLn3I82WS8iFW83zNTgLpaTLmOtuy9HnXv66eM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=LKw/Nr9uXS5nZi2gGbyKYYZZ2ShQO7BA93QOo1UW9x8cwdjzK+b4KS+e75mGgHIoyRUQ6XAJfnlxT6uX9iatdTLTtksl0WBY8YReE/+Ev0dpAKayVRL7syaDBkREHF1a4hJ3eS+h7Xcw9gWApXhV8faGGlbKuXdxWcdQHGQY010= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: meQGR1UVM1kIpmRer.fD7WfcolHPNIz0QRXe1Y1N6.qcUpz _QW0fsHR7v8B9q3QjkBY8fk8WqQnxPVI0H8RtbV1leRLC574i2qEwz.2No4e SFOeSKdbCeWRrLNTpiSG7WGDouqkMZ5kMA7zVAHs7mpl5xNGnsUoBlW0AeHC i3y5I1oCwtF4vM9kdzsSxVXBZ8Lm5MV6nz5ANkVPUFzQQVF3XsbsqCLeaOBX cwKhzbERkWgriVylCOcgzr9Qk5Lu4I7R7PxZ6zdBVlFFQmlGjJeI37.VucSa heFM8cdbhn0CnaroO6R4Z4wmlhaHn4oynb9hdJ144EBtdHau75Jqo1o2_eaM IoFGOHWdDYxp3_CHetfPPYLs9nPTN.0capzennqsSwLM3IW96jBJsb76lXGr YFhVYXEow7L5VnAjLqRuIJ_DUf7osZacJ.MiuAcf7iWl_KjRhzMz8.hKsxPa sk.mKkTXyiE3kReytTORyNptiPtJXYM2nF232jIrSQuIe1CKhDUrVK4CzEU3 z2r7kCWaSPcTST0wJkRV4fusWascEdL0qR3FMyVWFmQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2012 07:53:41 -0700 PDT From: To: "'John Macartney'" , "'Triumph List'" References: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:53:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1338463900.1400.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac0/IVQJVhN275MPTQu7M39AMi0CEgAG3VSg Subject: Re: [TR] "As it left the Factory" Wish us luck ???? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net They said "Factory" not "Showroom" so you have to be the spot on winner! Looking for pictures soon. All the best, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Hello, my name is Bill and I own an old British car. Now...What are the next 11 steps?" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:32 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] "As it left the Factory" Wish us luck ???? This coming weekend (being Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee) an old and valued friend from Standard-Triumph and I, have prepared his imported and superbly restored TR250 for a special event. Sadly, we were committed to the car event some months ago, so the invitation from The Palace to take part in the River Thames Festival on the Royal Barge came just a tad too late. But never mind, I'm sure Her Majesty will have a lovely day! Anyway, back to the car event. It's a very large one and the organisers are expecting over 2000 LBC's of all makes and types to take part. Mike (my old chum) and I have been busy preparing the 250 for its debut in a group called "As It Left The Factory." Actually, we expect to find a lot of people jockeying for a concours prize in the same category so with our own 'inside knowledge' from days of yore, the 250 has had the following work done to it: 1. The body has been completely sprayed with industrial lanolin. This nicely covers the superb paint job and gives the car a boring, dull, matt finish.We've been careful to ensure an overspray of lanolin around the windscreen edge and glass side windows. All this lanolin will easily wash off with warm water and a high pressure hose - just as did the original stuff. 2. The soft top is covered with protective plastic sheeting held in place with tape around the roof edges and to stop flapping 3. All chromework has been covered in adhesive-backed white cotton masking tape, while stainless or ally brightwork is covered with the lanolin anyway 4. The rostyle hub caps and licence plates have been removed and are in a box in the boot 5. The headlamps are out and waxed cardboard discs cover the headlamp buckets. This is how the cars left the UK anyway and as the 250 now has dip left halogen units instead of the dip right sealed beams, it's entirely right the lights should be removed for 'authentic judging' 6. The red and white indicator lenses are back in place to temporarily replace the yellow ones of a TR5 7. Carpets in the footwells have been removed and are in another box in the boot 8. All upholstery is covered with protective plastic 9. The windscreen has replica (as far as our memories and Photoshop skills allow) production / shipping / storage / anti-freeze labels - and all slapped on it such a way you can hardly see out of it. In other words, just as it left the factory. 10. To complete the picture, we'll be delivering it to the event on a trailer - because that's exactly how the vast majority of export cars came off the line and got themselves shipped to the docks. There's only one thing we've been unable to do and that's to run a set of 1968 Goodyear redlines to earth - but hopefully no-one will notice. We think this plan is just a bit of harmless fun-poking at a real PITA arrogant, know-all (who actually doesn't) UK TR5 enthusiast we know will be there with both his grossly over-restored cars who he maintains are always exhibited as factory fresh. The idea is to park the 250 in between them if we can, while another friend with a Standard 10 Van, signwritten as The Standard Motor Company, Coventry in the original grey/blue paint colour hopes to be very close at hand. Will we be successful? I'll let you know next week. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 09:48:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EFA2D03A5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:48:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ACB2D0210 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:47:55 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ef2/js4H c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=8c58HglOaBBVBFrZ8JgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=JJkEqFPz2tZ8JikG7Q4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50713] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id FD/C1-12664-63EC6CF4; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:49:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:53:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, I don't really want to start another thread on brake fluid but I am getting to the point of adding brake fluid to my TR4A and was planning on using just plain DOT3 brake fluid. Actually, I had really planned on using synthetic brake fluid when I noticed the box my clutch master cylinder came in stated the warranty would be void on the master cylinder if I used synthetic fluid. I checked with TRF where I bought the cylinder and they confirmed what I read, No Synthetic brake fluid... They apparently had a crap load of warranty returns on brake parts and traced it back to a common use of synthetic brake fluid. Before everybody gets excited,, I am just repeating what I was told. Fast forward to this week.. At work, I mentioned to a guy with several old British sports cars what I was planning on doing and he said, "You haven't used DOT 3?", and told me to only use Girling LMA (Low Moisture Activity) brake fluid as anything else will reduce the life of the rubber parts in the brakes and clutch. I haven't done a lot of research on this yet and "LMA" sounds suspiciously like it could be synthentic but maybe that's the midwest coming out it me. Anyway, If I don't find out anything to change my mind, I think I am going to pick up a quart of the Girling brake fluid next time I order from The Roadster Factory as they seem to sell it and I will be needing to order the dash crash pad anyway. Nice weather coming up this weekend in Cincinnati so I will be painting! Have a great weekend everyone! Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 09:58:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114372D034A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:58:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from moose.dimebank.com (moose.dimebank.com [108.68.51.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE782D019E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.dimebank.com [127.0.0.1]) by moose.dimebank.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4VFralF019310 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC79402.9080704@dimebank.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:53:38 -0700 From: Chris Kantarjiev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The original exhaust manifold studs were copper coated and came in multiple lengths. You might try sourcing the shorter ones from TRF, but if you end up using "generic" ones, please be sure to use anti-seize before installing in the cylinder head. The factory nuts were "tall" and made of brass; those got hard to find and I started using normal stainless hardware to avoid corrosion problems over the years. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D776A2D034E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:07:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1542D0367 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so1100597yhr.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=H7WHzKb14n3kW9bIRtvVMyG2RbpWmiFqk0su+uLTL0E=; b=yXvwVVZ4qUQ0szcYC8oS/2MPmm4f1J5TzDqGlVN/IRc83rCU+JeuM91mvlH6gClOPp BxpQwqE1W0H5oZZmm04h0amZisybm7452oMrY3Dplko3V6uB+N7UFoI8zAKy9yKI46Aq T+fIn/dvtG6vCLUljK0uSUzcCgYzj/2KgFHtMG/sDuH/i3veVmsWll1sEb6O5xcaGDnR EXzCP2aF2dLbkBPxLZSlCqpH1q/18nIPhhIcvx7frYwlCLjt6t9RnAxMkBYpfitwiQdp Ovo9EiJfGwfNP0p2r6RWCtfKbc3+uaI5VojYbcIJNbZnGkxxAnGQydNlRcbQK8V2+a/Y yrEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.222.200 with SMTP id qo8mr2124782igc.20.1338480459314; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC79402.9080704@dimebank.com> References: <4FC79402.9080704@dimebank.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Chris Kantarjiev X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > ...The factory nuts were "tall" and made of brass; those got hard to > find... > FWIW, a local auto parts place (small local chain -- think Carquest rather than Autozone) still has them. I used them but I was thinking the originals were tall steel. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:15:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529AB2D038A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:15:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6D262C0526 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.232] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:08:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 342319.96351.bm@omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93721 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 16:08:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338480524; bh=jUbW8tXGZ3ICmA8NTvQNVW5Gklf5/c2C9Q5hXz/M1lM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=25yV8Fjn4T+CfmG0A6JwF6mjFhaxt3zhOGT01r/uSrxjB6igpzUxkuerJ7UXiSc4lgmokXqVdzefDHuosPO3k1bOEJwurK8Ta5KAXwrcEvNX+G2i4TGSvo8Q/AjDfdHF+NFhDaxwKrJRAYUGnCfX1/KGljgWvhJawdn+f7ogaFs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c6Mvl2KdcbSN+GzzGTygAGwf7xAouBsmK5EmPUDh5SUcswJ1aPp//wIt0nVOi9syUC1oFBoxNmw++l4mXopmuHFhiJDuqBfCTkSlPHwUCwHBakVpnzoEbZvbUAXKNezAHRjm2czY5ai3+Pr015Ou869Nd3I4C8mYPty21a0Z2pA=; X-YMail-OSG: QrnX0T0VM1nGajFbYgLQrvKOmZexSFmlwh5Z8FUyivwLBVQ E.nDgPdjzCr17fPJDzHNZoMkprcOCLE5NaWphAFrhYG.OSyeTupT9XCo7qzR GColhgJOiG6yu_iHGYifgyWWWJGxpTNR4L2cbHzCXgrt_e1bXCD_z.uceEmG gcxfd.XNnVEPFpEETfA5BEZxAYSILEaWu1krw.8F1XufYlPA5kv5KNByZxTu viaR1Jne8zHMFHOp8NiRlH.IrLJHGnKtK82CjwANhL85HCdvTmlJwC9P.Hc0 49iiVUElaf9Ajcj2evfD7tM7h_qYwpKm29lCQFti5CkWIByaFNDBmJm2DFx. Rst6bzZoeYwkjqer9OLS5u6duGW6bjdR9L_H8o6etAv8.VQo85O9MQRiolaX 0DFgjrsSe29dOltMc1vQjBs0fgDlYvXqXXm9ZSfeIA8zjZvZoAjgKGPeDZzY - Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:08:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Dave Connitt , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave i saw all the warning signs on warranties but decided i was going to try silicone on my TR3. I'm so glad i did. some of my joints leaked onto my newly painted car. friend #1 used same on his TR3. he had no leaks friend #2 used same on his TR3. he had joint leaks onto his new paint. I'm into my car 3 years now and the only thing that may be getting upset by the silicone is my hydraulic stop lamp switch. the original 50 year old switch lasted about 24 months. the new switch lasted 12 months and currently needs replacing. the original may have just worn out and the replacements are always of unknown quality usually of Chinese origin. if the new switch fails in 12 months ill be thinking silicone ...maybe. Friend #1 is 4 years into his with no problems. friend #2 is 18 months into his with no problems. recently worked on friend #1's TR6. it had conventional fluif. we changed the brake master cylinder. the next day we noticed the bonnet was completely covered in paint damage dots caused by the fluif that had gotten into the air and settled on it. remember the TR6 bonnet opens forward so how did it get airborn and settled? bummer! so now we get to clear coat the bonnet as well. your results may vary. just my experiences. Frank From: Dave Connitt To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:53 PM Subject: [TR] Brake Fluid? Hi List, I don't really want to start another thread on brake fluid but I am getting to the point of adding brake fluid to my TR4A and was planning on using just plain DOT3 brake fluid. Actually, I had really planned on using synthetic brake fluid when I noticed the box my clutch master cylinder came in stated the warranty would be void on the master cylinder if I used synthetic fluid. I checked with TRF where I bought the cylinder and they confirmed what I read, No Synthetic brake fluid... They apparently had a crap load of warranty returns on brake parts and traced it back to a common use of synthetic brake fluid. Before everybody gets excited,, I am just repeating what I was told. Fast forward to this week.. At work, I mentioned to a guy with several old British sports cars what I was planning on doing and he said, "You haven't used DOT 3?", and told me to only use Girling LMA (Low Moisture Activity) brake fluid as anything else will reduce the life of the rubber parts in the brakes and clutch. I haven't done a lot of research on this yet and "LMA" sounds suspiciously like it could be synthentic but maybe that's the midwest coming out it me. Anyway, If I don't find out anything to change my mind, I think I am going to pick up a quart of the Girling brake fluid next time I order from The Roadster Factory as they seem to sell it and I will be needing to order the dash crash pad anyway. Nice weather coming up this weekend in Cincinnati so I will be painting! Have a great weekend everyone! Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:20:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BB42D05C3 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:20:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 00AAA2D033F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:21:21 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:21:21 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.103] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:21:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 16:21:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 196661.38720.bm@omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37953 invoked from network); 31 May 2012 16:21:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=L5pJ7aUaMKrAooNXDYaLPmAYTGQYY14ydJhbIEXiILdCEGEirfna569FDcGZVxgor9Y39SYfBinmxcPt1JQtHXt2ljIAWE5v5tZ+dI/+vh4FztN2QQNRT+Nj7btszAWpDzH02kwXiCQpsjoQQak0zPlBPcj1jwWyPA53lesrqdc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1338481280; bh=rCEA8bfVy3w+OPltxj/JTUXs81LVTwpUoi7o461VyY0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=yc7lypvPi2RsfA2rDQA6lTBD70vrqpCfdyer12Jn4HYk0F7JZR1KUa0sKDtkwEuEwaFCHlciEdynPd6wRIpUHCo6CzIBTG85KHg8d6xqoUxpc94g9PER+keccWJZ7VxhvOhpTKAcOpNhwrNkdrAZKzOS//ThWjL20o2objLOu1Q= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HWKXmv8VM1klMtqq41ewFZx4BIAyPkXDM9CQTMAvC8iKbWW zV3e8HVCBfb2BPqwnUmoq.N4bknf1udkv4zHCtzxby5mnjeMMXrmJ3w32_d1 1uGUmRcD9HUF7_OhT8HXJfBFBjwAL4bk_cC1HdeCGxDIvU964iNlSUq0hRU. _8blwnblhZoqFGuoPLXa9cLaPgq7DGmeBxEDg5FQo9fqRD0QHJtXHqJRPflr 5IOVVjWPS6F10ovKNJr1OOdojA1yB9OWe.8q3p4GvLPl4RhVV_oh_UuuWKZw aK8Er8hPvkHvNSC.bxNgxvtRK7tW5CfKVYqulcCcKuiofmSgB9Tbni4Zot0x d2JjLqZyX.nJSSi3ZmYndrANHNiy3i9htQthVIrUqk_CEmcuTA12vhcA6aFB xeHMgqg9iXfhPMq94wqtr1wwjuJaDx6U76O.n4Bp6GJj_dSDjVZ.rHMa5uh0 pSMIn1iQcgesWFzS5qbKM.7g4ErYKgUfTgOpSD1mISi35zo_wYSitAmCloGl PtJ3ZAVPClhAbAoHnqNqJ9LG05U5h4g4pCEhVOI68iVFHk_fPbZF1VwoP8lp 2HVbV6QBpCjLcpiWsEY0gI4h8w7QvjQz0ooc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2012 09:21:20 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0/RPhRbSjWFuZwRbaehKznPXn2pwAA78Wg Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I noticed the same notation on the box of a re-pro clutch slave unit I just installed last week. Been running DOT-5 for four years now with no problems, I am sure others will respond with greater experience. I guess the main selling point for me was the fact the DOT-5 doesn't strip your paint. I would rather re-build the M/C every five years than re-paint the buggy. Just my thoughts, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Hello, my name is Bill and I own an old British car. Now...What are the next 11 steps?" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake Fluid? Hi List, I don't really want to start another thread on brake fluid but I am getting to the point of adding brake fluid to my TR4A and was planning on using just plain DOT3 brake fluid. Actually, I had really planned on using synthetic brake fluid when I noticed the box my clutch master cylinder came in stated the warranty would be void on the master cylinder if I used synthetic fluid. I checked with TRF where I bought the cylinder and they confirmed what I read, No Synthetic brake fluid... They apparently had a crap load of warranty returns on brake parts and traced it back to a common use of synthetic brake fluid. Before everybody gets excited,, I am just repeating what I was told. Fast forward to this week.. At work, I mentioned to a guy with several old British sports cars what I was planning on doing and he said, "You haven't used DOT 3?", and told me to only use Girling LMA (Low Moisture Activity) brake fluid as anything else will reduce the life of the rubber parts in the brakes and clutch. I haven't done a lot of research on this yet and "LMA" sounds suspiciously like it could be synthentic but maybe that's the midwest coming out it me. Anyway, If I don't find out anything to change my mind, I think I am going to pick up a quart of the Girling brake fluid next time I order from The Roadster Factory as they seem to sell it and I will be needing to order the dash crash pad anyway. Nice weather coming up this weekend in Cincinnati so I will be painting! Have a great weekend everyone! Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:29:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1197C2D067A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:29:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E1AE2D0622 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9017 invoked from network); 31 May 2012 16:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.211) by p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.82) with ESMTP; 31 May 2012 16:25:25 -0000 Message-ID: <6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:24:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net been using silicon numerous years on numerous cars. doesn't absorb water (is not hygroscopic) and doesn't mess with paint. gotta be a little more careful when filling and bleeding (use speed bleeders!!). I don't know why anyone would use dot 3/4 and risk paint damage and have to bleed every year or two. I bought a master a couple years ago and saw that warning. talked to a contact at moss, and he said the problem was that people were not full cleaning out their brake systems, mixing dot 3/4/5 and getting into trouble. so that's why the disclaimer/warranty issue. he said there is no reason whatsoever not to use silicone on the new brake cylinders. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:08 AM To: Dave Connitt ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? Dave i saw all the warning signs on warranties but decided i was going to try silicone on my TR3. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 10:37:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6D02D07FA for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:37:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A582D07C2 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120531163758.WFTE4155.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:37:58 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ggdy1j00C4zsG5S03gdyaS; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:37:58 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4FC79E66.00C8,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=iZNaMbyNW2eCxqe4/lhZLDcaXzsrE47jH5Rb6g95UPw= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=m4cNwLOBAWhFflUSw9cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=O9lqqaPtYE8onFlW:21 a=EWAVG6dGJnU88Yd5:21 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Dave'" , References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local> In-Reply-To: <6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: <41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0/SrpWx7RQcRZITWucg1wKbuaKMAAAIyJA Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "Doesn't mess with paint" is a bit of a misconception. While it does not eat the paint like The DOT 3 does, it very much messes with paint. What causes the master cylinder to belch fluid onto the paint does not change and the DOT 5 will seep, or leak onto the paint. It can be wiped away leaving the paint intact, but if you ever need to paint that area in the future, you will have a really difficult time cleaning all the DOT 5 off the surface enough to keep the new paint from fisheyeing. Hopefully you won't need to repaint. JOe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:24 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? been using silicon numerous years on numerous cars. doesn't absorb water (is not hygroscopic) and doesn't mess with paint. gotta be a little more careful when filling and bleeding (use speed bleeders!!). I don't know why anyone would use dot 3/4 and risk paint damage and have to bleed every year or two. I bought a master a couple years ago and saw that warning. talked to a contact at moss, and he said the problem was that people were not full cleaning out their brake systems, mixing dot 3/4/5 and getting into trouble. so that's why the disclaimer/warranty issue. he said there is no reason whatsoever not to use silicone on the new brake cylinders. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:08 AM To: Dave Connitt ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? Dave i saw all the warning signs on warranties but decided i was going to try silicone on my TR3. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 11:04:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32C32D0894 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:04:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18A2D086D for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id twX8IdCZcYEgHQy7 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:05:12 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:05:12 -0700 Thread-Topic: brake fluid Thread-Index: Ac0/T4rwnt8LAF14RSOa4lJuMDbbew== Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD34FC@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at dataresolution.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] brake fluid X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have previously checked with TRW, the current manufacturer of Girling cylinders about the silicone issue. There response was that the cylinders are designed to meet OE spec's which call for non-silicone fluid. They therefore will not warranty a failure if non-spec fluid is used. Also Castrol/Girling LMA fluid is a synthetic fluid - always has been. They only recently started putting that on the bottles - I checked on that too. Peter Arakelian - 71 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 11:24:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C545B2D036E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:24:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F270A2D036B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 17:24:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.3] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 17:24:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 17:24:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 211746.52799.bm@omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 82295 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 17:24:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338485097; bh=n6ZOkd6HlDOtcdn17Su3s0p9RLghnPDAGfyMYi5zwkU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kl3opBVY406fxRG6VNUzx2fgFfUbHvzpPk8SChcDVjbrzofNzbisNzfZlqllUk/a7b304ahPBfEEiAdq4YUILKSrq380porgITpkZTRKWuiSz/0qw//kdwb8tAgax9xA66fFyyJnmWkVJMNdINtgSZO/B+I+rIyVZIW8iFrtWes= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cPs1JN7KjwQNo9wm373s2HjAZncQLKZ5GjABHcyFBzLwvJM0uLVugr/ZatShMoTHLgNA6APdXcbbN23Bh7MpzUXXDYVrOlSwuXtr02YW+u+eTKxWkCDsbNcHQNEIu0qKMiqHKVJRFB1D4Kxw8pO6G0/ZnPzuIdrvBQJgWfxEouo=; X-YMail-OSG: wh2S0ekVM1nkBi2fsY7fSAVRgMAfS1dlQtlbhm0xwg9fNhp yEoS_f1A386ISi18wz7.FvvIZvngkpVZTiHoYYdHihbA2Dor71GIYLwWmSZ4 SA9SeZxR7nbvESZQrYug9Fm1vy6VpL2Z_5nVu09WsVry3QDCeAYAFduApB8k AboCFpGHaHG33kUaktP_Fng0BX1F.uPPP1nRLbQ9UJN_j568BHoqd0net9xM 2MO4xs5M.QtujjRtTe8MHHU1XdyH5q0TqBwNwGqPZh3qJf58KXjj03__aYml UikVrdIuROAiR19FOLPrDKwareIpMdJq25xIFm0ye0ReTnAZBk_tAKsZ8o1e 3evGwr_csx5pM0FFyYSyU11WQUeThnc3ZXrLbvISPduTkEQteq1k52K4ZMbq i8x5.VNHkWadKHHOOkWFP4r3pqrO5iT9waH78J2MVYsbuYVAQ3KAB9Rg9ZjF li7DMNJM84Y7RHPCungScuOM7snL8OLQgmeCpYeY4RkHCIsGT6dk_hRP0_pv h Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:24:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD34FC@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <1338485096.75416.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Pete Arakelian , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD34FC@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] brake fluid X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net as stated in my previous mail, i know there is no warranty. but will Castrol/Girling LMA synthetic fluid still take the paint off the parts it touches? i think yes. also why would you not produce "new" spec parts. wont a new spec part work for all fluiffs? and as the rubber parts are hidden well away from the eye, one would not notice even if one where smart enough to be able to tell the difference. Frank From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:05 AM Subject: [TR] brake fluid I have previously checked with TRW, the current manufacturer of Girling cylinders about the silicone issue. There response was that the cylinders are designed to meet OE spec's which call for non-silicone fluid. They therefore will not warranty a failure if non-spec fluid is used. Also Castrol/Girling LMA fluid is a synthetic fluid - always has been. They only recently started putting that on the bottles - I checked on that too. Peter Arakelian - 71 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 11:35:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B682D043E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:35:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FEE2D0365 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GcLC1j00M1vN32cA1hWRXs; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:30:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GhWP1j01n4L5TyG8ihWQf6; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:30:25 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Dave In-Reply-To: <6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local> References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local> Message-Id: <5E12C1BB-2EE7-43E5-A82B-187D4E09AC5B@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:30:23 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The mixing thing with DOT 3 and 4 hasn't caused me any problems for over a decade. When I switched to silicone I simply drained the old out and poured in the NAPA silicone I prefer (because it has a cool purple color). Never had an issue. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On May 31, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Dave wrote: > been using silicon numerous years on numerous cars. doesn't absorb > water (is not hygroscopic) and doesn't mess with paint. gotta be a > little more careful when filling and bleeding (use speed > bleeders!!). I don't know why anyone would use dot 3/4 and risk > paint damage and have to bleed every year or two. > > I bought a master a couple years ago and saw that warning. talked > to a contact at moss, and he said the problem was that people were > not full cleaning out their brake systems, mixing dot 3/4/5 and > getting into trouble. so that's why the disclaimer/warranty issue. > he said there is no reason whatsoever not to use silicone on the new > brake cylinders. > > -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:08 AM > To: Dave Connitt ; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? > > Dave > i saw all the warning signs on warranties but decided i was going to > try > silicone on my TR3. > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 11:36:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8842C07F7 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:36:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BF2D03D8 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GdPd1j0011bwxycA2hbJ3S; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:35:18 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GhbJ1j00D3uShJ48ehbJoM; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:35:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:35:18 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Dave Connitt Message-ID: <1506498925.531473.1338485718047.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "Synthetic" and DOT 5 are not the same thing. There are "synthetic" DOT 4 brake fluids, notably Valvoline. I can't imagine how a synthetic DOT 4 would harm a DOT 4 system, but I am open to education. In perhaps the most idiotic decision in the history of bureaucracy, the DOT has created a designation of DOT 5.(something I can't remember) which is NOT silicone and NOT compatible with silicone. While Silicone does not take on water, it surely takes on air bubbles. Not going there with my Elise. Currently using ATE Blue. My appliance cars are on DOT 4. I really don't care whether it is GT/LMA, ATE Blue or Valvoline Synthetic. uncle jack the Stag was put together by ISOA to run DOT 5 silicone. I have labeled the reservoirs thus. No reason to change that. The non-paint-eating is good, and so far I have not had air problems on a car that I don't drive competitively. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 11:55:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A272D074B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:55:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF2A2D0502 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GhjR1j0070S2fkCABhvtVK; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:55:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.7] ([76.127.105.211]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ghvs1j00g4ZgrnQ8VhvsxZ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:55:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: William Pugh In-Reply-To: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:55:52 -0700 Message-Id: <29420BE7-36CD-42D8-AD2D-9577393F9F85@comcast.net> References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Frank Fisher X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a distinct difference between Synthetic Fluif, and Silicone Fluif  As Peter stated Castrol has been "Synthetic" for a long time  It may be easier to think of Castrol as Synthetic DOT 3, and Silicone as DOT 4. On May 31, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > Dave > i saw all the warning signs on warranties but decided i was going to try > silicone on my TR3. > I'm so glad i did. > some of my joints leaked onto my newly > painted car. Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper" TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 12:10:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D542C0A3C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F1D2D05C3 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-43511925.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.25.37]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M4W00HRIFJ3J0H0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:04:17 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk Message-id: <001b01cd3f57$cc3459e0$649d0da0$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac0/V8vLWStNT4hzTGuFB/jt/Qxz8g== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] "As it left the Factory" Wish us luck ???? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John Macartney wrote: >snip >Mike (my old chum) and I have been busy preparing the 250 for its debut in >a group called "As It Left The Factory." >snip >6. The red and white indicator lenses are back in place to temporarily X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F642C0B1C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:11:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794002D05C3 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GhAb1j00C16AWCUA1i4nS0; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:04:47 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Gi4n1j0023uShJ48Si4nLT; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:04:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:04:46 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: William Pugh Message-ID: <1201326546.533131.1338487486873.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <29420BE7-36CD-42D8-AD2D-9577393F9F85@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Pugh" > To: "Frank Fisher" > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:55:52 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? > There is a distinct difference between Synthetic Fluif, and Silicone > Fluif > As Peter stated Castrol has been "Synthetic" for a long time It may be > easier to think of Castrol as Synthetic DOT 3, and Silicone as DOT 4. Silicone is DOT 5, and not compatible with any other brake fluid. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 12:41:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F3C2D027E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:41:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03932D036B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2CzL_lYoAAAA:20 a=e9mI536MQ7G4EYSsJ0AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dLafw_LZKOkA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:44444] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 52/68-16302-56BB7CF4; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:41:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave'" , References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local> <41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> In-Reply-To: <41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: <0bde01cd3f5d$05d7ce70$11876b50$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/SrpWx7RQcRZITWucg1wKbuaKMAAAIyJAAADjQUA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > but if you ever need to paint that area in the > future, you > will have a really difficult time cleaning all the DOT 5 off the > surface > enough to keep the new paint from fisheyeing. However, there are products available specifically to address this problem. One such is PPG DX330 "Acryli-Clean", which is a solvent specifically designed to remove silicone and silicone-bearing products (like the "hot wax" available at many car washes). Seems to work well for me. Another problem that I have noticed is that it is easy to wind up with microscopic drops of silicone floating around in the air. You need either really good ventilation, or to do the painting in an area away from where you did the preparation. I'm a big fan of DOT 5, been using it for many years in all my Triumphs. It has not totally eliminated all my hydraulic problems; but I do believe it has greatly reduced them. It is absolutely non-corrosive and actually helps protect metal surfaces; while DOT 3/4 is actively corrosive if it doesn't get changed on a regular basis (whether you drive the car or not). With DOT 5, you'll never find a sight like this one: http://goo.gl/rJXMw -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 12:57:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022802D0331 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:57:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8442C0C9C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mrTLL1H2_3DMNQ9vinIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WSOeB7CjMoNTzZB3:21 a=XECzy6Lbk8TbNB9z:21 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:44562] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9A/B6-16302-62FB7CF4; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:57:43 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <29420BE7-36CD-42D8-AD2D-9577393F9F85@comcast.net> <1201326546.533131.1338487486873.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1201326546.533131.1338487486873.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:57:42 -0700 Message-ID: <0bdf01cd3f5f$42cb5fc0$c8621f40$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/WOeqh2wFyUVUQeqrXY3vwrw0xQABCuJA Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Silicone is DOT 5, and not compatible with any other brake fluid. Actually it is "compatible" (the DOT 5 standard requires it), it just doesn't mix with them. Any DOT 3/4 remaining in the system will stay separate, and continue to deteriorate; eventually winding up as a tarry goo in dead zones (like the bottom of the slave cylinders). The goo is ugly, but at least in my experience, relatively harmless. I haven't seen any evidence that it was continuing to corrode the alloy slave cylinders or interfering with operation in any way. One curiosity though, it sucks all the purple dye out of the DOT 5, leaving it nearly clear. I did my first DOT 5 conversion with flushing the lines and so on; but ever since then I've just bled through until I get purple fluid at the bleed valve. For example, I did that on a non-Triumph at 80,000 miles after one of the front calipers had started to leak and been replaced. The entire remainder of the system never got touched again and was still working fine when I junked the car at about 250,000 miles. YMMV of course. I won't claim it isn't better to completely tear down the system, flush the lines and replace all the seals; just that in my experience it is not necessary. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 12:58:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23872D0400 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC38F2C0C9C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120531185853.QRLL29577.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210.cox.net>; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:58:53 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id Giyo1j00P4zsG5S03iyqBf; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:58:51 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FC7BF6C.0014,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=O4CAUmXI7/mzv3KZBs+K+U/kx6RL05JW9tL/WyHbBgw= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=2CzL_lYoAAAA:20 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ftntSJm1v6W4n6PRJ0IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=dLafw_LZKOkA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=cZ4KPmsDIVnNXo1a:21 a=_WsvmYNQdSZj4EGr:21 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Randall'" , "'Dave'" , References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local><41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> <0bde01cd3f5d$05d7ce70$11876b50$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <0bde01cd3f5d$05d7ce70$11876b50$@rr.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: <66296D910C7645D4903A706F02A3A778@Vista> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0/SrpWx7RQcRZITWucg1wKbuaKMAAAIyJAAADjQUAAA9itIA== Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can say without hesitation that PPG's Acryli-clean will not remove the DOT 5 silicon fluid remnants sufficiently to prevent fisheyes from forming. I learned this when I converted Tiny Tim from an autocross car to a street rod. I have been told that one of the only things that will remove it is to use a lot of powdered cleanser, water and elbow grease. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:42 AM To: 'Dave'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? > but if you ever need to paint that area in the > future, you > will have a really difficult time cleaning all the DOT 5 off the > surface > enough to keep the new paint from fisheyeing. However, there are products available specifically to address this problem. One such is PPG DX330 "Acryli-Clean", which is a solvent specifically designed to remove silicone and silicone-bearing products (like the "hot wax" available at many car washes). Seems to work well for me. Another problem that I have noticed is that it is easy to wind up with microscopic drops of silicone floating around in the air. You need either really good ventilation, or to do the painting in an area away from where you did the preparation. I'm a big fan of DOT 5, been using it for many years in all my Triumphs. It has not totally eliminated all my hydraulic problems; but I do believe it has greatly reduced them. It is absolutely non-corrosive and actually helps protect metal surfaces; while DOT 3/4 is actively corrosive if it doesn't get changed on a regular basis (whether you drive the car or not). With DOT 5, you'll never find a sight like this one: http://goo.gl/rJXMw -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 13:11:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DE82D035B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:11:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9884B2D036B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170132pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4W003EDIDNDC11@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:05:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 63.239.65.11 ([63.239.65.11]) by vznit170132 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:05:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:05:47 -0500 (CDT) From: ptegler@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <30471752.187279.1338491147555.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [63.239.65.11] Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe is quite correct as usual. Even after a wipe down...then leaving a layer of Brak-kleen on the surface, does not seem to clear all traces of Silicon fluid. In a paint shop even opening a tube of silicon sealer near a car being prepe'ed will get most flunkies kicked out of a shop! Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com On 05/31/12, Joe Curry wrote: I can say without hesitation that PPG's Acryli-clean will not remove the DOT 5 silicon fluid remnants sufficiently to prevent fisheyes from forming. I learned this when I converted Tiny Tim from an autocross car to a street rod. I have been told that one of the only things that will remove it is to use a lot of powdered cleanser, water and elbow grease. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:42 AM To: 'Dave'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? > but if you ever need to paint that area in the > future, you > will have a really difficult time cleaning all the DOT 5 off the > surface > enough to keep the new paint from fisheyeing. However, there are products available specifically to address this problem. One such is PPG DX330 "Acryli-Clean", which is a solvent specifically designed to remove silicone and silicone-bearing products (like the "hot wax" available at many car washes). Seems to work well for me. Another problem that I have noticed is that it is easy to wind up with microscopic drops of silicone floating around in the air. You need either really good ventilation, or to do the painting in an area away from where you did the preparation. I'm a big fan of DOT 5, been using it for many years in all my Triumphs. It has not totally eliminated all my hydraulic problems; but I do believe it has greatly reduced them. It is absolutely non-corrosive and actually helps protect metal surfaces; while DOT 3/4 is actively corrosive if it doesn't get changed on a regular basis (whether you drive the car or not). With DOT 5, you'll never find a sight like this one: http://goo.gl/rJXMw -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 13:11:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EB72C6CD2 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:11:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51CE2C0C9C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eUEWg5075FthSPiM9eIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=sp0cnjWB5Eabqn5m:21 a=-4dv8k2vkF0Y_jom:21 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:44666] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id FB/8B-16302-941C7CF4; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:06:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD34FC@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <1338485096.75416.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338485096.75416.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <0be001cd3f60$88988680$99c99380$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/UmGLdxdwLo0ZSf2LwUmzOMlGDgADSBwQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] brake fluid X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > but will > Castrol/Girling LMA synthetic fluid still take the paint off the parts > it touches? Yes. As Peter said, it is not actually any different than before, Castrol (and other fluid manufacturers) have simply added the word "Synthetic" to the label; apparently because many consumers believe that synthetic is better. But in fact, no brake fluid is based on petroleum at all, so they are all "synthetic" and always have been, it just didn't say so on the label before. Besides, Castrol won a court case saying, in effect, that any petroleum product that comes from a modern refinery is "synthetic" and can be sold as such. > also why would you not produce "new" spec parts. Because if you update the specifications, you have to do expensive, complicated tests to ensure that the new specification parts work under all circumstances. In addition, there is a significant additional legal liability, in case someone claims that your new specifications are deficient in some way. Unless you have customers willing to pay many times the price (remember we are a very limited market) for parts with updated specifications; it simply does not make financial sense to do so. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 14:44:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECF62D0365 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:44:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC6D2D0137 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=N5qr5hBB c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=x4XqUL4TIGOQN-5GAdEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:45634] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EB/5B-01555-D97D7CF4; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:42:05 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <4FC79402.9080704@dimebank.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:42:05 -0700 Message-ID: <0beb01cd3f6d$d78f72a0$86ae57e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/R5NKx8B+h8n2QC+LHaXPdR8UWAAJc7zQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > FWIW, a local auto parts place (small local chain -- think Carquest > rather > than Autozone) still has them. I used them but I was thinking the > originals were tall steel. Ditto. I found the tall brass nuts on one of those "Help!" racks, in a package of 3 nuts and 3 studs. Apparently some Chevy V8s use them on the exhaust manifold to headpipe joint. But I prefer the original steel nuts, with a smear of copper-based anti-seize on the threads (in place of the original copper plate). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 15:17:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816632C0B47 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:17:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2772D034A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=N5qr5hBB c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=84oBeHr6p-Yiebzw01YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:46177] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 1A/FB-01555-7CFD7CF4; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:16:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local><41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> <0bde01cd3f5d$05d7ce70$11876b50$@rr.com> <66296D910C7645D4903A706F02A3A778@Vista> In-Reply-To: <66296D910C7645D4903A706F02A3A778@Vista> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0bef01cd3f72$b5609600$2021c200$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/SrpWx7RQcRZITWucg1wKbuaKMAAAIyJAAADjQUAAA9itIAAE/YtQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I can say without hesitation that PPG's Acryli-clean will not remove > the DOT > 5 silicon fluid remnants sufficiently to prevent fisheyes from forming. I asked the professionals that did my TR3 what they used. Although there are certainly other flaws (as I expected from a cheap paint job), there are no fish eyes. Evidently it works as well for them as it does for me. Of course, it's no substitute for good surface preparation otherwise. As I learned many years ago, you can sand, and wire brush, and media blast, and still not get all the silicone off. But when you think you have the surface absolutely clean, take a clean rag dampened with Arcyli-clean and wipe it down. The rag will be dirty. Repeat until the rag is clean. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 15:21:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7032D03A5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:21:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A9F52D02A6 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:22:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:22:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:22:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 262861.71880.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 77999 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 21:22:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338499331; bh=iTRInpi0lowmVJoTxbD4PPcO29MeuMHMm4Slwe3J174=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=he7TKoEU3K+rBR4ah6f01U61gsJhygknIfLMqhAInSJlMs4Gaa3FTWACqd8VJ61S4Ccj3rqUnQ8E4Y11VAbPbaWBlQ1rj6JUSlfkxN1QH0QiSMkxSLLB8dyNVqNzK0USOmZXThzgz5kQJjS6Kd802sjPvlxXzBTeANDvNnUtmwo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u9E2IAivKJwdGQP8zyeMsiv9y9HOevgAg7/Bn6jdxXvIWliXv4cdVSNAqk+GW5FUfTWaEbdnwTe8J2IpOPG0wdxfKuB1JrtM5a1S7MbizTdzo1o7dx+mYpSPs5Mb1W+k9zcD02GHl4lQ9h7+m4ULQWQaH+WvdtSjAHm6W3b8DlY=; X-YMail-OSG: 7igikysVM1nQqPUIHwZZJHB5aH_w_VYX_QxihcF_rKc.IPa TtXwo.tbogYOCmxJO.vQA_tMJcT9IN_K2K4XKAMohDvBt6HNlR1URR5qzuFR BjZhu3aYCh.FZ89d7aUV_y7jIq31MLGtj1nmIWsWyx4lxXUX4OPhaavpQWC3 ZJv7.szEolDEhy2ptKsXFyPOi2lBTxF.5hNUvhWiBQQk.iIBIF2iqDM570Md 9CPKCC_I8kcGblZHNMN6zUkv2y4Xwcv11rWjz78.ISYqjLWfdpr6BeravL7M MnUetUfi5eip.wFCb0hssXrH3GhKzhN2mC1GqcmnTPgnTmr6TTsr4aGoDLAT 4go2Awz.J7h09pO7IwpkTHWLvf2mZdJzGby6gRuqSAIXOlI0oIczz3M4IVze xsxA4Rt8402hpxP4yhi3OGOGQTTwztH_UMCeODl8oJBTT37j2TAAA222mv_s K4kvPVcnNw7k2HDRcRoJCFq3t1jH2E8511qc5XDTKXKD1Bi1cH_qxIOQzq4S . Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:22:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FC79402.9080704@dimebank.com> <0beb01cd3f6d$d78f72a0$86ae57e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1338499331.48967.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Randall In-Reply-To: <0beb01cd3f6d$d78f72a0$86ae57e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net having lost tall brass nuts 3 times in 3 years, i changed to steel nuts doubled. so far no more exhaust noise. well not the nasty noise, just the sweet roar. Frank From: Randall To: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 manifold Studs > FWIW, a local auto parts place (small local chain -- think Carquest > rather > than Autozone) still has them. I used them but I was thinking the > originals were tall steel. Ditto. I found the tall brass nuts on one of those "Help!" racks, in a package of 3 nuts and 3 studs. Apparently some Chevy V8s use them on the exhaust manifold to headpipe joint. But I prefer the original steel nuts, with a smear of copper-based anti-seize on the threads (in place of the original copper plate). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 15:23:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BA72D044C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:23:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 522A22D02A6 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:23:41 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:23:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:23:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 186788.64748.bm@omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79978 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 21:23:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338499421; bh=ICUbflNQ/D9msYIAi0IjhRhfmQ6FVYB3Ytn4w1kVjqs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZAbj350tsDtDUOZWVgJv4QcgX5aWjN9cKjKzIVwpdmZz2OFyhlOlHfj2yOh7XmSh3moYsk7PGEzJqo6+ZlqlSvX3LNxHC3jbHixvTaEHFCDO1xEm7UZbzacm2lHoJ4RbnnbjzEVElcyB7NC0UqM8lV6fXIAnhB1G9dVHp0TDWVg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xPpvGAmGyBMdsKliiJLPOh0DU3Vmzs03O/4yhkey5bKecQWzNhu6RdeVAwSHdW6Jb5NbptFSzpx2362+XmxmwQ7WCL3Mq9H7uoRm+XxcxB3gJAD0Lk4b3rVnR0EbAsSiPfbcbSrnsVzI8+nR+jDVOdfWcyFxpyE79aJu1e+0ExY=; X-YMail-OSG: d27V6l8VM1lGn1MDwNOh5SzVdxZlgqCOzlgjEmTzyNDQ3zZ MBJoFb7oY7jrMrrIGU7XAYDLdURSIpAX1sIBBuh4hc1Hz8MTrnwNxXH3WUbS lNokWVUFaY4EvM497zjozTiOd328NXDnxaLXDLR6pPlHvtgDgPe9Ari.gGDY _h8XiiM0EDjecjumDvklLuRyfhLNCGmoK0PUxODp0pixORLvMrlZgL3GF996 3JGlhjCq0cFIBEU.5Q2.neHfcCAHzUMYxr3g1l1GusT4uTLf5xIBGZJnXmlJ Bph_v9Dbzkjf5n0jahuBtjl2B9Bs18I5l_wm7TUOCPVqx9O0uuXoayuXpHWF rcY8ilCeJYC6m_rQDvfVzd5_cuKNvTZm4OZcL2cl4S2CDJDQaipL8QtTr02z XleDNCgWAo7FIYTueYhmq7utED812sp2L1IHBc0jULfaJNougHCnyKkuYEP3 2gUbDJ1iBnaao49Dj82IzKpW4yacynF7AS__.ug2Qy7z6ls9aFq12omcJ9i7 SAEuWc8lOHeKp2hLkfU5oy2lmDRlG9WfrCJINcIOQUQ-- Received: from [65.208.174.226] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:23:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local><41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> <0bde01cd3f5d$05d7ce70$11876b50$@rr.com> <66296D910C7645D4903A706F02A3A778@Vista> Message-ID: <1338499420.67540.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Joe Curry , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <66296D910C7645D4903A706F02A3A778@Vista> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe did sanding with a fine wet/dry paper with a detergent in the water not help? Frank From: Joe Curry To: 'Randall' ; 'Dave' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? I can say without hesitation that PPG's Acryli-clean will not remove the DOT 5 silicon fluid remnants sufficiently to prevent fisheyes from forming. I learned this when I converted Tiny Tim from an autocross car to a street rod. I have been told that one of the only things that will remove it is to use a lot of powdered cleanser, water and elbow grease. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:42 AM To: 'Dave'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? > but if you ever need to paint that area in the > future, you > will have a really difficult time cleaning all the DOT 5 off the > surface > enough to keep the new paint from fisheyeing. However, there are products available specifically to address this problem. One such is PPG DX330 "Acryli-Clean", which is a solvent specifically designed to remove silicone and silicone-bearing products (like the "hot wax" available at many car washes). Seems to work well for me. Another problem that I have noticed is that it is easy to wind up with microscopic drops of silicone floating around in the air. You need either really good ventilation, or to do the painting in an area away from where you did the preparation. I'm a big fan of DOT 5, been using it for many years in all my Triumphs. It has not totally eliminated all my hydraulic problems; but I do believe it has greatly reduced them. It is absolutely non-corrosive and actually helps protect metal surfaces; while DOT 3/4 is actively corrosive if it doesn't get changed on a regular basis (whether you drive the car or not). With DOT 5, you'll never find a sight like this one: http://goo.gl/rJXMw -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 15:46:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A954F2D03B0 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:46:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F5862D02FF for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:41:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 21:41:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 998482.94523.bm@omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97647 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 21:41:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338500501; bh=RgykuF5tp3IIQyQhSXRQjqAf48tlDeM2i2nZzFD0fAo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mtO/z6gRRGjp/tSmt2ChvUi7CD2vh5KdZGS9IO5xiMpaCNlvA5D8G3h5JZ2gSqDFSG7uBNXT0oihp8tw04KvKClbSbtb5qEJWRKHyINH3CELANoyEredyaZ463wVzHhLVYEykKTpM9Zs9v7APSEUegBGDDFei3QHvHMeqD8hgE8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1ZzdJfdm7gqlD5nS6VKValzDCeHZxJYC4yoDy4RgR9alVV/fWNwNci/L7s4SlTF9nvMYIR0PAVuorcDunIfk3atZPJEN68cgsfQJW1D/Xd9p+bF6ahTspE9gobk7/RNtzr5pkZKXeOyAvhYTM0wIpwp8J39rFXw2OBmzxJGBlI0=; X-YMail-OSG: rM5fEiYVM1ly1AhQ.MzVHpFexR5jko_2kwa4KEAgD7mYsop mlvlpRHE.cQKZeD_LUgA82m2_yUk.asYR04dQieatbXPCZJKmb_vaLx_8TV1 0dwOd_wCop8_vtSCxV286l_Ct3cnA1k_ni.QiJ4Jl5m0UclaR49g9aNHhLFi .N3TzID1_uY0Fg.Pfsy2OSbgp8umhqzn6mxCy2vVmT_C2KDdWKnZ4_lFA0lz LwwhlNosWtRYv5DisFq4VlMmBbkrjyNyR6gXUD0ll2zNiyLqYmMpvFvvfFx1 JgpXqf9Xep6PB8DTY4_ogh79piGuELeDGKp7BLTd5ZPAMujMxf9Rj2tWe1gC qn_o6FsPOHW_.2qqpEPvq0ZPLyvbR6.N0H4GNt4w8b7JD.8.AhY.SupuCBbW U.tYN9gT_tyiydlebY3rMksDFBAXTi.FXQm6hJiAEnINcP46kK9lHygFsFhB AydegPVqeAeuw9eUnoYjsus476NiNJsdezD7sirlcQEDl7_zxTGzx44ALaUg pzgflxZYelk.9sY3T20.mAvySJ0Z4TLg- Received: from [70.177.116.234] by web120506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:41:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1338480524.83517.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><6D2B35C001824716A2941B3A554F421B@ranteer.local><41FE1F56873845F384F2B161290ED253@Vista> <0bde01cd3f5d$05d7ce70$11876b50$@rr.com> <66296D910C7645D4903A706F02A3A778@Vista> <0bef01cd3f72$b5609600$2021c200$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1338500501.81182.YahooMailNeo@web120506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <0bef01cd3f72$b5609600$2021c200$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had very good success using PPG's DX330 to remove silicones. Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid? > I can say without hesitation that PPG's Acryli-clean will not remove > the DOT > 5 silicon fluid remnants sufficiently to prevent fisheyes from forming. I asked the professionals that did my TR3 what they used. Although there are certainly other flaws (as I expected from a cheap paint job), there are no fish eyes. Evidently it works as well for them as it does for me. Of course, it's no substitute for good surface preparation otherwise. As I learned many years ago, you can sand, and wire brush, and media blast, and still not get all the silicone off. But when you think you have the surface absolutely clean, take a clean rag dampened with Arcyli-clean and wipe it down. The rag will be dirty. Repeat until the rag is clean. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 15:52:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A89C2D03D8 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:52:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54862D02E8 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so1618273lbj.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3MosvnMG3+hhkbc3XXccDYQ4Y4hisdnWIZIYIqYpje8=; b=aJHwR8eKoG1OQlWVENe/9FDFspLEQZ/LxklHQ9dhTyFLM0qDhdBB/GSPmumH+8+HY+ WmzP4XioUFQdZt9oNZEXyEdew5v1gi2cQpK06bug/Qcge3k3BBUyqxaJAw4tJgG9BTGM KOOu3a6LRZ/MzqMfXBsMbGsssyxzAFdr62evmuEGKmMFcZ5KWvGXxgI2kjtc1AqtlJNz U+7Qz6Y/vd44iT6zTn5ayhyDLIYh4I+sqesMzBXPlzD2Whv+KyzTPY5Q3M3b9eW1mo2G GGlB/zTM3W2IlmksIAmZt7uSd+GOtbjNChlvGab+8M17fkNkv6my1Y7LEGZjTQI+Pghe vdZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.65 with SMTP id w1mr780897lby.40.1338501210589; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.69.166 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0be001cd3f60$88988680$99c99380$@rr.com> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD34FC@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <1338485096.75416.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0be001cd3f60$88988680$99c99380$@rr.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:53:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Don Hiscock To: Randall X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] brake fluid X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If "synthetic" fluids are not based on petroleum, then what are they based on? I always thought synthetic meant polymerized from monomers to some very specific structure rather than simple mineral oil with little modification. The base of most monomers is still petroleum. Maybe natural gas. Tiny amounts from renewable bio-based sources. Yes, synthetic sounds good these days, though. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Thursday, May 31, 2012, Randall wrote: > > but will > > Castrol/Girling LMA synthetic fluid still take the paint off the parts > > it touches? > > Yes. As Peter said, it is not actually any different than before, Castrol > (and other fluid manufacturers) have simply added the word "Synthetic" to > the label; apparently because many consumers believe that synthetic is > better. But in fact, no brake fluid is based on petroleum at all, so they > are all "synthetic" and always have been, it just didn't say so on the > label > before. > > Besides, Castrol won a court case saying, in effect, that any petroleum > product that comes from a modern refinery is "synthetic" and can be sold as > such. > > > > also why would you not produce "new" spec parts. > > Because if you update the specifications, you have to do expensive, > complicated tests to ensure that the new specification parts work under all > circumstances. In addition, there is a significant additional legal > liability, in case someone claims that your new specifications are > deficient > in some way. > > Unless you have customers willing to pay many times the price (remember we > are a very limited market) for parts with updated specifications; it simply > does not make financial sense to do so. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 16:08:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70882D0408 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:08:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bear.ext.ti.com (bear.ext.ti.com [192.94.94.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9E42D0382 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dlelxv30.itg.ti.com ([172.17.2.17]) by bear.ext.ti.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4VM8p1w018178 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:08:51 -0500 Received: from DLEE74.ent.ti.com (dlee74.ent.ti.com [157.170.170.8]) by dlelxv30.itg.ti.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4VM8pDK028788 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:08:51 -0500 Received: from DLEE01.ent.ti.com ([fe80::9545:c9d2:c053:428]) by DLEE74.ent.ti.com ([fe80::a0f1:125b:e7e3:7ed8%18]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:08:51 -0500 From: "Fisher, Ed" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: fisheyes in paint Thread-Index: Ac0/efTy7h25VTznQLmVK3QptOhhfg== Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:08:50 +0000 Message-ID: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E303F4F@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [157.170.170.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] fisheyes in paint X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago, when I last sprayed color on a car, I used "Smoothie", a drop or two in each quart cup on the gun. It is a fisheye preventative, and I was taught to use it in the 1970s, in a filthy little body shop where I worked. I now see where that is a real controversy on the web, go figure, but when one doesn't have a booth, and is trying to clean up a two-car garage for painting using box fans for exhaust, furnace filters for intake, and plastic doors with taped hatches you can be sure that there are stray contaminants in the air. Smoothie cures them. By the way, those jobs out of the two-car garage came out looking great, almost no dirt at all in the paint and what there was came out readily with a wet color sand and buffer. I had very patient neighbors who were amused at my bushes that turned from red to blue to yellow etc. I always alerted them as to when I was spraying, and moved their cars to the next block to ensure no overspray problems. We all got along really well... Ed Fisher Dallas, Tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net