From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 05:23:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3C62D06B1 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:23:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819BD2D036B for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120701050336591.SVX256@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:03:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=p2aji1SswaUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=y-JIT9uQvOLJKcumNYoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55011] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9E/1D-28917-CD9DFEF4; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 05:02:20 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <4fef17f0.ab.3f02.5106@cogeco.ca> <4FEF9373.5000308@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:02:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000101cd5746$b2b1b3d0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1XIPhNXbpO88YnTg+N/1JL4ntGPwAFANHw In-Reply-To: <4FEF9373.5000308@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Rear spring issues TR3A X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Sorry, I'm not Randall but: Actually, I think that's a wonderful arrangement, nothing to be sorry about! Not sure what happened, but my reply seems to have been lost. As Jerry said, after checking out the shocks, I'd look at the springs next. If not kept oiled on a regular basis, they can rust between the leaves and transmit every little bump to the car. The book recommends used motor oil, but fresh will do. Based on TeriAnn's advice, I installed "UHMW" (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene) tape between the leaves. MMC P/N 76445A24 is enough to do two cars. The ride improvement was noticeable and so far, at least, it seems to be holding up well. The only caveat is that the rear shocks become more important without all that friction in the springs. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 05:24:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2AD2D03DA for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:24:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247912D036B for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120701050337329.SVZ256@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:03:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=p2aji1SswaUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=h9ljKUKC-tSolrNuMdcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55011] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D2/2D-28917-CD9DFEF4; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 05:02:21 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <4fef17f0.ab.3f02.5106@cogeco.ca> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:02:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000201cd5746$b30c56f0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1W84rWbxtzrFZ4Rl2UiHWZEPbYCgAE7bJw In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Rear spring issues TR3A X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Randall will suggest lubricating between the leaves and my > guess is that's a > good place to start. I think he even installed some thin > Nylon between > leaves which is even better, Correct on both points, except that on TeriAnn's suggestion I used a plastic known as UHMW (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene). UHMW is both slicker and stronger than nylon (also stronger than Teflon which was my first choice). P/N 76445A24 @ http://www.mcmaster.com It made a noticeable difference. You'll never get a TR3 to ride like a Cadillac, but at least it doesn't resemble a lumber wagon any more! Might also be worth checking your rear shocks. They have a tendency to come loose on the mounts, and for the rubber in the end links to go away. I've also seen them fail such that they would not move. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 05:54:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2872D066C for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:54:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9150C2D04CA for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W61 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 1 Jul 2012 04:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [50.55.30.229] From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: , Triumph List Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 06:54:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4C87C71A-07BC-427C-8F56-6A4470479AF4@comcast.net> References: <4C87C71A-07BC-427C-8F56-6A4470479AF4@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2012 11:54:36.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[49831450:01CD5780] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If its like the TR3 frames I've seen I think its just a version number for the frame. Randy > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:26:49 -0600 > Subject: [TR] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean > > Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of > my TR4A frame? > > I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw > a number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 06:26:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C130F2D068D for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 06:26:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fipsb01.cogeco.net (smtp1.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F4E2D066C for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 06:26:43 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBALZB8E9DwWks/2dsb2JhbAANOIVatBUJAQEBAwEjVhALAwE+AgJXBogZqQORd5BDMmADlTSSfg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,504,1336363200"; d="scan'208,217";a="333538331" Received: from d67-193-105-44.home3.cgocable.net (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([67.193.105.44]) by fipsb01.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2012 08:28:32 -0400 References: <4fef17f0.ab.3f02.5106@cogeco.ca> <000201cd5746$b30c56f0$0601a8c0@randall> In-Reply-To: <000201cd5746$b30c56f0$0601a8c0@randall> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Art McEwen Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:28:29 -0400 To: Randall X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rear spring issues TR3A X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Might also be worth checking your rear shocks. They have a tendency to come > loose on the mounts, and for the rubber in the end links to go away. I've > also seen them fail such that they would not move. > > Randall > Yes the passenger side shock mounts are loose, replacing those bolts now. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 06:57:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275FD2D06BD for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 06:57:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C772D05CE for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 06:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so7898055pbb.14 for ; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vFAkdt3HQra5EmLfTu3EqQXcOvYNrCYWM7t0cdr3YBc=; b=LrzFPwJKlODIzyX/Ax0SKF/v+Qqdwkmzp++AmjncdqnZyR5Ki/m6DbA+8Y16f/hgYS 4VJuN3s+w2z2H+o1y9MaThPhBOlRrcHDm2e0hy1vdci38Eiv+T1/QJG519oxhXiQ16fd pI5iOBIdDB+7Y64tVeumzY1PlwGz49Nmm5B57OpuBmyJcywToL7uEMQBbLqiiHd+mwgO 83dircZqa1868dhnzYZ6uDnMF/1EwzOjECpECJovRR3zWuQd4/pLP9WwKZhj0ujV7BBW 3qqQMBhlUfdeGAxPQA6ROtbea4AhWzMYwtoxdi5XyGeg2Guxw+fFThxwKbtUsBTBN0EP LOvg== Received: by 10.68.226.226 with SMTP id rv2mr21586123pbc.101.1341147355148; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-32-161.phnx.qwest.net. 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Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <4fef17f0.ab.3f02.5106@cogeco.ca> <4FEF9373.5000308@gmail.com> <000101cd5746$b2b1b3d0$0601a8c0@randall> In-Reply-To: <000101cd5746$b2b1b3d0$0601a8c0@randall> Subject: Re: [TR] Rear spring issues TR3A X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/30/12 10:02 PM, Randall wrote: >> Sorry, I'm not Randall but: > Actually, I think that's a wonderful arrangement, nothing to be sorry about! > Works for me too ;) > Based on TeriAnn's advice, I installed "UHMW" (ultra high molecular weight > polyethylene) tape between the leaves. MMC P/N 76445A24 is enough to do two > cars. The ride improvement was noticeable and so far, at least, it seems to > be holding up well. The only caveat is that the rear shocks become more > important without all that friction in the springs. I've never done that to the TR3 but strips of UHMV have been sitting between the leaves in my Land Rover for 13 years know and are still doing their thing for increased articulation and ride smoothness. And I could not begin to count the hours they have worked on washboard trails. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 07:16:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CC82D088A for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:16:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B9A2D063C for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 06:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q61CxDYw032276 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:59:13 -0400 Received: from core-ded001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ded001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.54.1]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B0E48E000082 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:59:13 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: l1j1s@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36478-STANDARD Received: from 64.131.128.239 by webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 01 Jul 2012 08:59:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF25A072E8B4E3-E9C-33B1A@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [64.131.128.239] Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:59:13 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341147553; bh=hydBoGMlPyZCxilshr3yRf0TOhMePVQojJvt/fRDZsk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GGtjpLin1gU23MCYzA6qBUQbh5Agkb7ehxvSXrXBo6KatDKsgxuJ5I+6LJASe2jf6 kK5a09TFaJYX3cw9+lj9dws5fvCmzYV6gLG0M8b6oQ+vDqTaMlP3JhXSlkzxvR22Al d63IoiewW3lT868alWJTC6Ey0WCg+IELXu+TGylE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:276989920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4ff049a179a8 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR- Tr3B X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, i have misplaced my files on TR3'S. What i am looking for is the commission numbers for all Tr3-B that were built. any info and help would greatly be appreciated. thanks, Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 10:10:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D8D2D062A for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:10:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EC32D04C9 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id V3821j0061HzFnQ533r7jr; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:51:07 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id V3r71j00T2xV5no3a3r7oQ; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:51:07 +0000 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list Message-ID: <505362746.907075.1341157867705.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.125.165.36] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Thread Size X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, What's the size of the thread on TR gearbox drain and fill holes? Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 10:23:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5212D066F for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:23:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBB62D05D7 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q61G8PV2014586 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:08:25 -0400 Received: from core-mhe003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.131]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0A8AEE000086; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:08:25 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF25A072E8B4E3-E9C-33B1A@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> To: l1j1s@aol.com, triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <8CF25A072E8B4E3-E9C-33B1A@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Andrew S. Mace" X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36515-STANDARD Received: from 68.237.142.29 by webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.156) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF25BAE0D25DBB-C70-50860@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.237.142.29] Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:08:24 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341158905; bh=aQ8Zr7VUZO9mdxoy7K1clwFQqY8sPHZFCCHpygJzMX8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L4Ri/11UkwS9lkmzpIMWZCzUgCE/ehsHs82AZ8S3iMP9oj18Q9aBoWH+9ZogxJsWG T2kgMabWOcM3uiTzy9zYYXs9KAx6cAlB2tr8AuzvZ4cSkx73RS8TpAmiJy5/1BUGQU YiWZ/rI8uIP5oE2EKdEHdcz2t82PV53ucGXgjuBg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:443347744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 2 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094ff075f94f49 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR- Tr3B X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TR2-3B production dates and numbers should help. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: l1j1s List, i have misplaced my files on TR3'S. What i am looking for is the commission numbers for all Tr3-B that were built. any info and help would greatly be appreciated. thanks, Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 11:23:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E262D04C7 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:23:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71DC2D069E for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.100.23.244]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M6H00EKFR3TE000@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 11:57:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "TR List " References: <8CF25A072E8B4E3-E9C-33B1A@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <8CF25BAE0D25DBB-C70-50860@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CF25BAE0D25DBB-C70-50860@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:57:43 -0400 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-index: AQL2BFkW/WBMntm84e3SIsl86g/tmQE00lt9lLmlGeA= Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR- Tr3B X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Visit the VTR site. http://www.vtr.org/TR2/TR2-production.shtml (from various sources - mostly Bill Piggot's books) TR3B 1962 (Mar) TSF1 TR4 all synchro gearbox TSF219 Changed Disc Brake Caliper Mounting TSF265 Changed Rear Shock Absorbers TSF284 Minor Change to Front Suspension 1962 (Sep) TSF530 Last w/TR3 engine 1962 (May) TCF1 First w/TR4 engine 1962 (Oct) TCF2804 LAST TR3B 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2012 looks like the year.. -----Original Message----- From: l1j1s List, i have misplaced my files on TR3'S. What i am looking for is the commission numbers for all Tr3-B that were built. any info and help would greatly be appreciated. thanks, Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 13:12:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AB12D03D0 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:12:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEBE2D04F2 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EF92E033 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:14:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FF09FAB.9050906@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:06:19 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Firefox/13.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumph list References: <505362746.907075.1341157867705.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <505362746.907075.1341157867705.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Thread Size X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe it is 1/4 inch pipe thread. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 14:18:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242EC2D04C6 for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I believe it is 1/4 inch pipe thread. > My mistake, it is 3/8 pipe thread. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 1 21:25:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833D62D0502 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:25:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B9542D04F7 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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01 Jul 2012 20:15:33 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter'" , , "'Triumph List'" References: <4C87C71A-07BC-427C-8F56-6A4470479AF4@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1XgJiG9v7LVbPBQxiZnr5Sfg073AAgDGkw Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ISTR my TR3 frame was stamped Z 27 in that spot. No idea was the significance is/was. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Hello, my name is Bill and I own an old British car. Now...What are the next 11 steps?" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy and Valerie DeRuiter Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:55 AM To: levilevi@comcast.net; Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? If its like the TR3 frames I've seen I think its just a version number for the frame. Randy > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:26:49 -0600 > Subject: [TR] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean > > Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of > my TR4A frame? > > I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw > a number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 08:18:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A712D04B8 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 08:18:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway16.websitewelcome.com (gateway16.websitewelcome.com [69.93.179.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0922F2D048F for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 08:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id CA8A49D08F809; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF5F9D08F7E7 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SlhTx-0004me-Me for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:20:05 -0500 Received: from 208.87.137.231 ([208.87.137.231]) (proxying for 208.23.240.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4f3afb28ed1ddde2f4de06c209a03870.squirrel@www.automate-it.com> In-Reply-To: <41803555-CB80-487A-9B6F-F159E60784D6@aol.com> References: <41803555-CB80-487A-9B6F-F159E60784D6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:05 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator52.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32208 500] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - automate-it.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: /var/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /var/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Source-Auth: leexray X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGVleHJheTtsZWV4cmF5O2dhdG9yNTIuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== Subject: Re: [TR] Auction X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > List, great auction. I am the proud new owner of that red Tr3b. Now THAT'S what I wanted to hear - a list member got one of the good ones. Way to go, Larry. > Very surprise > with the condition of the car, much better them I thought it would be. Now I > own two Tr3 with Judson superchargers. Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 10:01:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47F72D04B3 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:01:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6162D032D for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:03:54 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <5AFBAF8F-57D0-43E6-9C4A-3BC57D69E8AD@genfiniti.com> To: RedRiverTriumph@yahoogroups.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TR] TR4A - End of the sun visor saga X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, Thanks to Mike Sabelhaus of my local club, for providing me contacts, I was able to reach a source in the UK called "TR Bitz" who happened to have the center sun visor mount for the TR4A. It arrived last week from across the pond, was cleaned on a wire wheel, painted, and added to the car this past Saturday. So, thankfully, I will not be bombing the list every quarter seeking this damned elusive part. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 12:30:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A4E2D063E for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:30:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail7.vaxxine.com (mail7.vaxxine.com [209.159.189.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68242D030C for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown.vaxxine.com (ppp535.dsl.ontario.net [209.159.178.27]) by web.vaxxine.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q62IWLpN215356 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: From: David Willett Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:32:31 -0400 Message-Id: <23A46011-130F-4FCD-808A-8459AF9B9541@vaxxine.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3A Turn Signal Rehab. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To complete my rehab of turn signal self-cancelling device, I need just one piece: the small roller which fits at the "other" end of the turn signal lever and actuates the small hinged pieces. If this description is not clear, I can send a pic. If anyone has, or knows where I might get, one of these rollers, please let me know. Dave David Willett willgray@vaxxine.com Ph: 905 468 0608 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 16:36:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BBD2D0438 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:36:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F3F2D03E9 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B482E025 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FF2238A.4020107@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:41:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Firefox/13.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR2-3 starter nose? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can't find the appropriate parts book. Is this for a Triumph bullet nose starter, Lucas part number 255543 ? http://bradakis.com/Images/tr3_nose.jpg mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 19:11:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045E92D0443 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:11:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA5E2D03E9 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q631Cmp6013109; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:12:48 -0400 Received: from core-dlb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.193]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AFE91E000088; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:12:48 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net, wmrampe@yahoo.com X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: George Haynes X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36478-STANDARD Received: from 72.230.233.142 by webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:12:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [72.230.233.142] Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:12:48 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341277968; bh=FPdd43Y6Zm5+mar1Lzk/Z/oy3foFnwH1ZNCWHF+FDQ8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gcLE6al3+Obzvc9MPkGyWFi5Ts0WO4Wsx9IWzQ1PyG7iHh91xPfK99HtG+Ad/gf4g eVsH7nbmMuxiQx/bzxNWT+mTQBe8HTSuY5bk9Xs8pdPKOCAD4j9N8XAhdSPZfIbd8i JqyB1IR3giw7q92BhqyNuz3q9RkaLs4el7tTQ/YM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435070880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4ff2471071a7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Overdrive Fixed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, this is good news but embarrassing news. I caused my own overdrive problem. Wouldn't admit it here but I'm 100% sure each of us has done something like it (at least) once. Last fall, I took the body off my TR4A for a RATCO frame swap. I chose to lift the body as complete as possible, so most of the interior remained intact. When the body was about 18" clear of the frame, I disconnected the wire harness from the top of the transmission: overdrive and backup lights. Of course there is a ground terminal and a P-clamp securing the harness to the gearbox, both under one of the top cover hold-down bolts. That had to be disconnected, too. Getting the picture? Fast forward 17 days and the body goes onto the new frame. At about 18" again,. I reached in to connect all the wiring I had removed, but I forgot to secure the P-clamp and ground wire and the top cover bolt! Whatever grounding was taking place was intermittent, as the wires and bolt bobbed up and down and the relay chattered each time it lost ground. So that's what I found this weekend when I removed the entire interior and transmission cover. The bolt was still hanging there - in the P-clamp and ground terminal! Oil had splashed out the bolt hole, making a mess under the car. For peace of mind, I drained the oil and filled with fresh. After reassembling, a one-hour test drive resulted in no overdrive problems. It's a happy car (and owner) again. So, many thanks to several of you for helping with the diagnosis, which turned out to be a me problem rather than a hardware problem. I have no idea why I'm taking this so well.... George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 19:29:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B342D03E9 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:29:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FDE2D03B5 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:29:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=StQSGYy0 c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4LYBufpIbqsU8NoYjeMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:60202] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A5/E8-00797-D6B42FF4; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:31:26 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Greg Lemon" To: , , "George Haynes" References: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:31:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Fixed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net George, You feel good because it is fixed, all is well, and you didn't have to spend money or tear apart the O/D to fix it. I had an Austin Healey years ago exhibiting similar problems, after pulling the tranny tunnel and swapping out the relay, and testing the various electrical connections and the throttle switch (a feature thankfully omitted from Triumph O/Ds) it turned out to be a loose wire on the dash switch, a 30 second fix that tooks hours and days to diagnose. When the car was sitting the wire made pretty good contact, so it worked when tested in static mode, but driving down the road the wire bounced around and O/D juddered in and out. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 20:12:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EF22D0438 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:12:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D6D2D0366 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6328UTd009669 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:08:30 -0400 Received: from core-dlb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.193]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BFCB7E000081 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:08:30 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: George Haynes X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36478-STANDARD Received: from 72.230.233.142 by webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:08:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF26D7E05D8C65-FA4-26598@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [72.230.233.142] Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:08:30 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341281310; bh=z2fURSUnOMw38h866TCMXQqb4fGvgDFNRUwZBdJGxGM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NJe7w1w+cX9Pp8/grYh38SV/+xzp6zyJE/b9DvSdYVh/3SG/MTnw8eKuycD26flyr ulVWCHWQilCeEBmfr6f54yyILZsjop5vSAbU6CPMc7ppRVsmuY2qdeyLgT3TpZFaEd emnZ5lFtdD0DNyCE90ob/TnrEYEN72us1lY2wmkQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:378155360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4ff2541e45df X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] List of Oils with ZDDP X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A few months back, someone posted a rather complete list of modern oils and their ZDDP content. I cannot find that list and wondered if the author would share it again, perhaps just to me, to not bomb the entire List. Thanks, whoever you were! George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 20:28:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E7A2D0455 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:28:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15252D03B4 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120703012201933.NNYJ22305@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 01:22:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=fvJuYhgeMgm6tlF9RZQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 173.88.251.65 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:50371] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C7/DB-28917-AF842FF4; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:20:58 +0000 Message-ID: <709104B26D5F4F7FB15C8E448674BD4F@UserTHINK> From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , , "George Haynes" References: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Fixed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net George and others. I did the same thing and had the same result several years ago. Amazing. JVV -----Original Message----- From: George Haynes Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:12 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net ; wmrampe@yahoo.com Subject: [TR] Overdrive Fixed Well, this is good news but embarrassing news. I caused my own overdrive problem. Wouldn't admit it here but I'm 100% sure each of us has done something like it (at least) once. Last fall, I took the body off my TR4A for a RATCO frame swap. I chose to lift the body as complete as possible, so most of the interior remained intact. When the body was about 18" clear of the frame, I disconnected the wire harness from the top of the transmission: overdrive and backup lights. Of course there is a ground terminal and a P-clamp securing the harness to the gearbox, both under one of the top cover hold-down bolts. That had to be disconnected, too. Getting the picture? Fast forward 17 days and the body goes onto the new frame. At about 18" again,. I reached in to connect all the wiring I had removed, but I forgot to secure the P-clamp and ground wire and the top cover bolt! Whatever grounding was taking place was intermittent, as the wires and bolt bobbed up and down and the relay chattered each time it lost ground. So that's what I found this weekend when I removed the entire interior and transmission cover. The bolt was still hanging there - in the P-clamp and ground terminal! Oil had splashed out the bolt hole, making a mess under the car. For peace of mind, I drained the oil and filled with fresh. After reassembling, a one-hour test drive resulted in no overdrive problems. It's a happy car (and owner) again. So, many thanks to several of you for helping with the diagnosis, which turned out to be a me problem rather than a hardware problem. I have no idea why I'm taking this so well.... George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 20:28:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02792D06AB for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:28:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E6D2D03B4 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120702232627667.MEOY256@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:26:27 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=PqURnnw3 c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=ou3HxLadqHoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=k9IzgLeNAAAA:8 a=4eWHfdCyHeRO31oznbEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:17218] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C8/52-25624-DDD22FF4; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:25:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <4FF2238A.4020107@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF2238A.4020107@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:25:14 -0700 Message-ID: <040a01cd58a9$f1a656e0$d4f304a0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1Yo3wvyHuV5YlcRTit2OLwiRXSHQABJl9A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 starter nose? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I can't find the appropriate parts book. Is this for a Triumph bullet > nose starter, Lucas part number 255543 ? > > http://bradakis.com/Images/tr3_nose.jpg I don't believe that is right for a TR2-3. According to the Lucas 400E catalog, the TR2-3 takes starter 25541, which uses a 256550 front cover. And besides, it just doesn't look right to me. The TR2/3 starter has a more rounded nose, not so long. That one looks like it wouldn't even fit inside the early bellhousing. But, I could not find a listing for a 255543 in the 400e catalog. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 2 20:34:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD6E2D065D for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:34:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086632D0489 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26AB2E031 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FF25B5D.1010801@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:39:25 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Firefox/13.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs References: <4FF2238A.4020107@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF2238A.4020107@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 starter nose? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded. At least now I know what it ISN'T ! Somewhere on the face of the earth there is a restoration project that came to a halt because they didn't have one of these, I imagine. Wonder what car is does fit? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 05:26:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802592D0394 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 05:26:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE0A2C0CC8 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 05:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q63BS8DG019587 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:28:08 -0400 Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 03771E000081 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <4be22.46db2277.3d243147@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:28:07 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341314888; bh=HP25P3On7euULmdmQJEfReMi0Vwi+1xTxSn2IszM7rY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZDm6DbTcFRyo8LGt+SQvHR5O37WlX+uPlg3+Pxmu/TA0e0D9mXqZJYJpPc08z03H+ 9vi9yNSAJB6mLKWlABz4i4ohhtcgXUd97YmZXktXgJ8XmgvGSTkJjOBm7e7/kFPoWs 304+qBeABhXl39x+PPQ0IhWFyDMup6ZKjj8tURkU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:350069696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4ff2d7470c1e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Fixed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net They say the difference between a mechanical problem and an electrical problem is that a mechanical problem takes a minute to find and an hour to fix whereas an electrical problem takes an hour to find and an hour to fix. And the software corollary is that a software bog takes a week to find and a second to fix. Dave In a message dated 7/2/2012 8:31:33 PM Central Daylight Time, glemon@neb.rr.com writes: > I had an Austin Healey years ago exhibiting similar problems, after > pulling > the tranny tunnel and swapping out the relay, and testing the various > electrical connections and the throttle switch (a feature thankfully > omitted > from Triumph O/Ds) it turned out to be a loose wire on the dash switch, a > 30 > second fix that tooks hours and days to diagnose. When the car was > sitting > the wire made pretty good contact, so it worked when tested in static > mode, > but driving down the road the wire bounced around and O/D juddered in and > out. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 06:27:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC42C2D0670 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:27:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878642D0642 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail52-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.237) by TX2EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (10.9.40.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:27:32 +0000 Received: from mail52-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail52-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DEA3C0252 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:27:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:134.226.17.160; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:imx1.tcd.ie; RD:imx1.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VPS-1(zzc85fh14ffIzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2dh668h839hd25hf0ah) Received: from mail52-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail52-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1341318450660611_12119; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS038.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.246]) by mail52-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A321A0045 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx1.tcd.ie (134.226.17.160) by TX2EHSMHS038.bigfish.com (10.9.99.138) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:27:30 +0000 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub2.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.15]) by imx1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE85F48EB for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:29:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub2.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.15]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:29:28 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:29:27 +0100 Thread-Topic: steering wheel nut Thread-Index: Ac1ZF3xzpQeQN+5VRtu4zRSgG+XZuA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: tcd.ie X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] steering wheel nut X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, as I get ready for the first official outing for black TR2, I have been trying to straighten the steering wheel, as my "best guess" of what was correct in relation to the wheel spokes, was way off. A short drive and I could better guess, but it is a real pain if I have to remove the stator tube and horn push completely just to get a socket on the wheel nut. I have been releasing the stator tube down at the steering box, then drawing up the horn push and tube, all still intact enough, including wiring, to allow me move the wheel on the splines, but it is very difficult to tighten the nut again with such restricted access. Anyone had to cope with this one, or know of a way around it? Cheers John 1954 Long Door ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 08:34:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702432D037F for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:34:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C3F432D032B for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 14:36:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 14:36:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 14:36:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 994379.91913.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72118 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2012 14:36:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1341326168; bh=1G/jHRv28H37RbazM4BhWNSX6KD61yQEeAutIPqFIeQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bli9hrnj6lZCYpu17chUIhLYrzzNDQtqxiRNmZrsfFKM9WNrabm6t5FOZ8V79UsQmoAv818H8Lej5AbzVAlolj/P/2BxdNd4XwuxB44xiQ76X+ip4UZiy6KoTTMRocqXTi7b86cAp2rc9E8kLV/N04eMNsnkjCzui3SKoskZlDA= s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DkiMODL0rUDuJDsJ7wfD3Vug/PPSH8fII53vqKuZy7iwNlt7sbw6XBtp1+ZegvERYtdRB/sxJRVB3YF2hS29h+9Zg+VeDcFeiBhOhQX04uvztXuTzpcjjF8js3klKoD9buIAR1LV7qXCaPkOhn+k1qkOaF5lXQuK7bebs2fcJgY=; X-YMail-OSG: IFVhX74VM1lIDUOgt73NHJd25SyzSsXc1Ad.H6WJwTzU00G 2uqyZfog_nLo61zD5FGi0STTh4pLxBVl5MOWlvIAOgRMGhJMNrrfC1aKb6Nn RiOKPAyiHhEzxQlFDHj3_MoBzr_RAqThW2GjnCMjLmvWeR7Z7_8hkSsnDNTu eZ0HBfaUZaY89941z71IJMUUPz.9MaCIyc9mPrmcXgqHLXDnSFcUfnB0uKUj nqmsJwnR5R_jusbym1O3JWXIb0UTLKiIQYP_TcPqwb4BguFj6GiCm026yE4B 1bw6ZUpM4Gu41yiQlX46chu48aYo6A74ZYK35ub3Hkv9S2HLjueuj1HrjJ_T phcjffJnzsIfn293eRK1sNzYqETb_mRrThv_f3dINL7QGMH02ZqfNFzpggCz wEszY31IE.WM2l9AAfW6s4paQClMbAgxAyCyJwkbgCu1WVTwzGXwvutECEaa x2va6Y8TqLJ_WzK2y4k9TW74a5v.pma1HFNn1HtquXFgEKQd2v3zB3XYYXtB G5ZM1Ejpryg-- Received: from [96.26.3.50] by web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:36:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1341326168.70356.YahooMailRC@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: W Beecher To: John Gillis , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net BTDT, after fooling around try to get the steering wheel to be straight when the wheels were straight going down the road proved to be an excersie in futility. I did all the things that you have described, multiple times, never found a simpler way. Here is the solution(assuming you have done all your front end work): Once you have it close, say, the bottom spoke is at 5:00 or 7:00 position take her in and have the front end alignment properly set. As part of this process they will center the steering wheel and adjust the tie-rod ends to the correct points. bob's yer uncle! Bill ________________________________ From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, July 3, 2012 7:30:35 AM Subject: [TR] steering wheel nut Hi all, as I get ready for the first official outing for black TR2, I have been trying to straighten the steering wheel, as my "best guess" of what was correct in relation to the wheel spokes, was way off. A short drive and I could better guess, but it is a real pain if I have to remove the stator tube and horn push completely just to get a socket on the wheel nut. I have been releasing the stator tube down at the steering box, then drawing up the horn push and tube, all still intact enough, including wiring, to allow me move the wheel on the splines, but it is very difficult to tighten the nut again with such restricted access. Anyone had to cope with this one, or know of a way around it? Cheers John 1954 Long Door ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 08:46:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622892D0369 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:46:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10CC2D02A6 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q63Ehkqc008708 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:43:46 -0400 Received: from [10.236.173.79] (218.sub-174-252-43.myvzw.com [174.252.43.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 39EC7E0001FC; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawerence Schwartz X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8E200) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:43:37 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8E200) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341326626; bh=3TCh6RovIJw1Bk4INP8HCtrHfU3m4MkGjQAoBzrCQ68=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=RYdUNIbGhmvvoXY+ILqvnWmut0bwb2RD3GAoMSD7yRO8zr7cZgI7MXdLBBS/FH8KU 5FrRQe/26BSXGoRPOwuIdj6OwlRxFHpcu+uTakhB8wHlSfO6TeOkGKjbUJUYzkuwoL H5IhsnjN387+n1DHN9RCJ6IeStw/Zi6mxABSf36g= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:231509232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c34ff305212fc0 X-AOL-IP: 174.252.43.218 Subject: [TR] Tr-tr3-A front bumper WTD. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I am looking for a Tr3-a front bumper for my car. If anyone has one and they wish to part with please contact me at L1J1S@aol.com thanks, Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 08:51:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CA12D041C for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:51:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F2F2D0376 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vm0r1j00D0vyq2s53qtZrw; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:53:33 +0000 Received: from sz0048.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vqtc1j00Q2ymm843Rqtc88; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:53:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:53:33 +0000 (UTC) From: tfansher@comcast.net To: W Beecher Message-ID: <327131877.623982.1341327213176.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1341326168.70356.YahooMailRC@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.42.38.82] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used really big channel lock pliers......to tighten the nut with the stator tube in place. Anyone have any tricks to get the stator tube nut tight enough without stripping. The a horn assembly still wants to turn with the wheel, so no cancelling of the turn signals. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "W Beecher" To: "John Gillis" , triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:36:08 AM Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut BTDT, after fooling around try to get the steering wheel to be straight when the wheels were straight going down the road proved to be an excersie in futility. B I did all the things that you have described, multiple times, never found a simpler way. Here is the solution(assuming you have done all your front end work): B Once you have it close, say, the bottom spoke is at 5:00 or 7:00 position take her in and have the front end alignment properly set. B As part of this process they will center the steering wheel and adjust the tie-rod ends to the correct points. B bob's yer uncle! Bill ________________________________ From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, July 3, 2012 7:30:35 AM Subject: [TR] steering wheel nut Hi all, as I get ready for the first official outing for black TR2, I have been trying to straighten the steering wheel, as my "best guess" of what was correct in relation to the wheel spokes, was way off. A short drive and I could better guess, but it is a real pain if I have to remove the stator tube and horn push completely just to get a socket on the wheel nut. I have been releasing the stator tube down at the steering box, then drawing up the horn push and tube, all still intact enough, including wiring, to allow me move the wheel on the splines, but it is very difficult to tighten the nut again with such restricted access. Anyone had to cope with this one, or know of a way around it? Cheers John 1954 Long Door ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 09:33:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEBF2D03AA for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FBC2D0388 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q63FYdFA016297 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:34:39 -0400 Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B0829E00008A for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341329679; bh=vEhfpBC14EqtSGMRbN0xV6bOmu8PoJCBGPQhjngIpo4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UC9/evOQ2GLfR8KMHoIlS1PkFLKFoc1UtepLpmv8u677lve6bkxPDe4M7+r1NCFkg AXsZiH4HP4siH4ON4c9vIqH+6c/z3VLNzsMsq68zj1KymKiqqbl0UwKIcVB13ka/Wr 4VKne7C0LagDx+UoIiupx6D8zmEfD/GefNMMAASg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:337973600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94ff3110e7ea2 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is the stator tube actually turning or is the horn assembly not engaging the notches in the stator tube? The stator tube nut may be plenty tight and your problem lies elsewhere. Dave In a message dated 7/3/2012 9:53:40 AM Central Daylight Time, tfansher@comcast.net writes: > I used really big channel lock pliers......to tighten the nut with the > stator > tube in place. Anyone have any tricks to get the stator tube nut tight > enough > without stripping. The a horn assembly still wants to turn with the wheel, > so > no cancelling of the turn signals. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 10:24:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF462D03D8 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:24:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E9F2D0376 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VnYH1j00B1vXlb853sT50A; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:27:05 +0000 Received: from sz0048.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VsT71j00m2ymm843dsT74Y; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:27:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:27:04 +0000 (UTC) From: tfansher@comcast.net To: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <381603068.628728.1341332824807.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.42.38.82] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Was: steering wheel nut, now stator tube turning X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, t he whole stator tube assembly is turning. The horn assembly is engaging the notches in the tube. The horn assembly is new - bought from one of the big three at a VTR auction and seemed "tight when turning it" before the assembly into the stator. I've stripped a couple of brass nuts trying to tighten it. It's frustrating. I do have the other car to compare and it's fine.... Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 11:34:38 AM Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut Is the stator tube actually turning or is the horn assembly not engaging the notches in the stator tube? B The stator tube nut may be plenty tight and your problem lies elsewhere. Dave In a message dated 7/3/2012 9:53:40 AM Central Daylight Time, tfansher@comcast.net writes: > I used really big channel lock pliers......to tighten the nut with the > stator > tube in place. Anyone have any tricks to get the stator tube nut tight > enough > without stripping. The a horn assembly still wants to turn with the wheel, > so > no cancelling of the turn signals. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 11:24:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43EF2D03B9 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:24:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EDC2D0215 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q63HPog1011277 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:25:50 -0400 Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2F843E000089 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341336350; bh=xOcKuIET3f6646jyIrnV8GOUyb3IVj2W1jV4VqHoQSo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ISzXbc83tCDcTxzSFODCZgU0VV5mbp6rkRpJzYhKtXuIgqnqvhbF75DcSx29sSvy+ BiUq7I+sMe0NJ1W8isbT9c0OcKHk3leD4Lre9iwKJGEdiwkABrsBJUWudK+ElxjJeN cXQDZ6n+cgNrXOI/JVd7rMOKZ9MxE5rlEhgklx/A= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460086528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494ff32b1d0863 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Was: steering wheel nut, now stator tube turning X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe you're right and the horn assembly is too tight. I guess swapping horn assemblies between cars is too much trouble. But that would be one way to confirm. Dave In a message dated 7/3/2012 11:27:03 AM Central Daylight Time, tfansher@comcast.net writes: > Dave, the whole stator tube assembly is turning. The horn assembly is > engaging the notches in the tube. The horn assembly is new - bought from one > of the big three at a VTR auction and seemed "tight when turning it" before > the assembly into the stator. I've stripped a couple of brass nuts trying > to tighten it. It's frustrating. I do have the other car to compare and it's > fine.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 12:24:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138922D0408 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:24:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29FB2D035D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vnjf1j0031GhbT859uLbb5; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:20:35 +0000 Received: from sz0012.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VuLf1j00J2xV5no3TuLfJq; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:20:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:20:34 +0000 (UTC) From: pdqtr6@comcast.net To: Triumphs Message-ID: <448613300.1388190.1341339634216.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.28.35.67] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Where's Superman when you need him? (Probably off saving Louis from her own stupidity). B I have a TR6 which has the common problem of blocked passages between the engine block water jacket and the drain hole.B Fortunately, I have the head off and have managed to "chip" my way through a passage that is drilled below the rear-most hole that connects the head and block jackets.B My question is - is this the only drain for the block, or are there some more?B IOW, is there a drilling below the next hole foreword, or the vaguely triangular opening at the back (the other two passages that are adjacent to the one I opened)? Tom Walling ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 12:47:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB182D053D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:47:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74302D032D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120703162911375.LSZ256@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:29:11 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=MwfAjrvuU3To7iW2-dwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0C/3D-29356-59D13FF4; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:28:06 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Gillis'" , References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:28:06 -0700 Message-ID: <01b301cd5938$d3f43510$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1ZF3xzpQeQN+5VRtu4zRSgG+XZuAAIDkiw Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net IMO you're approaching it wrong, John. The steering box itself has a definite center point, where you can feel that the worm/peg clearance goes to zero. (Or you can check the angle of the pitman arm to the steering column, as shown in the workshop manual.) You should install the steering wheel with the box centered, then adjust the tie rods as necessary to get the car to track straight with the box (and wheel) centered. For tightening the nut that holds the wheel to the shaft, I just pull the stator tube out all the way with the wires inside it. It only takes a few minutes to disconnect the wires beforehand and reconnect them afterwards. Perhaps I have a problem, but on my TR3 that nut needs to be really tight or the wheel will work on the splines. I wouldn't want to try to get it tight enough with just pliers. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 12:47:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB792D04AC for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:47:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F152D032D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120703163310875.ZETR27321@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:33:10 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=OM7vsmeoNqOUrTkuh-MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 33/61-28917-28E13FF4; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:32:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: <01b501cd5939$611163f0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CF26D018524DF7-FA4-26159@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: Ac1YuRUc9LVeRKXxRmC0r5oAwou4DwAf/UTQ Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Fixed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have no idea why I'm > taking this so well.... Oddly enough, that's one of the reasons I prefer doing my own work. When I screw it up, I don't get nearly as mad at myself as I would at some other guy. Plus I usually learn something. As they say, good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 12:48:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8722E2D06C7 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:48:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285872D032D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120703163031019.ZEMW27321@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:30:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=YC9r4YBBEZn5pBd-UmgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 16/91-29356-5ED13FF4; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:29:26 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <4be22.46db2277.3d243147@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:29:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01b401cd5939$0388fe50$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4be22.46db2277.3d243147@cs.com> Thread-Index: Ac1ZDwlboK4DKanMRp+3QsAZrKajGAAKdklQ Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Fixed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > And the software corollary is that a software bog takes a > week to find and > a second to fix. You're lucky; it takes a lot longer than that to drain my software bogs. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 12:48:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D422C0BD4 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:48:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3D82D032D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120703163730923.ZFDS27321@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:37:30 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ch4HpviJsRDTTNfPimAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 77/C2-28917-A8F13FF4; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:36:26 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <1341326168.70356.YahooMailRC@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <327131877.623982.1341327213176.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: <01bc01cd5939$fe6a4e00$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <327131877.623982.1341327213176.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac1ZK6m/DLXqAvpGSMaVHDsm0X7qcgADfRQw Subject: Re: [TR] steering wheel nut X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Anyone have any tricks to get the stator tube > nut tight enough > without stripping. Reuse or make a compression sleeve equivalent to the original. Modern compression sleeves do not fit properly! Modern nuts also do not fit properly. With the original components, it takes only very modest torque on the nut to lock the tube. I tightened mine just the other day using a 4" 'shorty' wrench and it held fine. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 15:04:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9F62D04E4 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:04:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38B02D0317 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q63L6YI4028370 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:06:34 -0400 Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5819CE000088 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <17a9d.761873.3d24b8da@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341349594; bh=Hoo32Bx1xyKqVKYdRy/9SqHHXTczWzC7bOpBfZyT28Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wd1tZPhbIZYE0bpADZbjhXy/rbw4cPD6n7IVR8AL+CzESFCdL5HVVE4CYeXP85vKJ CG7d8fEaFwYoeVyDIR5iLqBTTadF6k+yK6AV9RQ0Ftl4gSqD2WhSR9cQmtzfVnBAz6 skw5mRUcI/r7QOOxQmN18Pg3NamtCWkFqXA2WEpU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:318825920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e4ff35eda63eb X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 7/3/2012 1:26:53 PM Central Daylight Time, pdqtr6@comcast.net writes: > Where's Superman when you need him? (Probably off saving Louis from her > own > stupidity). > > B Louis, huh? Is this the new gay Superman? > > I have a TR6 which has the common problem of blocked passages between the > engine block water jacket and the drain hole.B Fortunately, I have the > head > off and have managed to "chip" my way through a passage that is drilled > below > the rear-most hole that connects the head and block jackets.B My question > is - > is this the only drain for the block, or are there some more?B IOW, is > there > a drilling below the next hole foreword, or the vaguely triangular opening > at > the back (the other two passages that are adjacent to the one I opened)? The bottom of the cooling passage is probably full of rust and casting sand. I was able to clear mine by removing the valve and reaming the area with a coat hanger. After a bunch of crud came out the coolant drained quite freely. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 15:47:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839F22D0631 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:47:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C642D0307 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120703214601.SNMZ12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:46:01 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id Vxly1j0022TnnaX05xm1Yu; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:46:01 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=u2vu/Ocp0bQ6m2MO0KUY0MS1xIoK39gCmxTU3UkKy94= c=1 sm=1 a=DYAPI9uUC_EA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=pgw-4DYQsKqo7cS--WgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=4aTnVILYT9MS0DI6:21 a=E4B88ayh-0VuufTj:21 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <448613300.1388190.1341339634216.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <448613300.1388190.1341339634216.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:45:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003101cd5965$3a8954a0$af9bfde0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIEA3r5ydZgAEkfm2347NRz4uTqKpaqwe3Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same problem with our TR6. Don't know if the block drain had ever been used by previous owners but it was well plugged with all sorts of black, crusty, sandy, gooey material. By using a bent welding rod, I was able to ream a path to the coolant. I bet it took at least an hour or two to break through. I don't know of any other drain plug except the right rear of the block. Also, I often wondered how corroded the core plugs were. So far, those show no signs of leakage. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pdqtr6@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 2:21 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... Where's Superman when you need him? (Probably off saving Louis from her own stupidity). B I have a TR6 which has the common problem of blocked passages between the engine block water jacket and the drain hole.B Fortunately, I have the head off and have managed to "chip" my way through a passage that is drilled below the rear-most hole that connects the head and block jackets.B My question is - is this the only drain for the block, or are there some more?B IOW, is there a drilling below the next hole foreword, or the vaguely triangular opening at the back (the other two passages that are adjacent to the one I opened)? Tom Walling ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 16:57:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CA72D05BF for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:57:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C842D03BE for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VvZj1j0040SCNGk55yzJaW; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:59:18 +0000 Received: from sz0012.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VyzM1j00A2xV5no3VyzM3T; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:59:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) From: pdqtr6@comcast.net To: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <1753814477.1396747.1341356357211.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <17a9d.761873.3d24b8da@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.28.35.67] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Where's Superman when you need him? (Probably off saving Louis from her > own > stupidity). > > B Louis, huh? B Is this the new gay Superman? B I always thought he was at least a little fey, if not outright gay - and don't get me started on Batman and Robin! B I finally punched through the crud with a hefty steel rod.B I was able to go in through the top as I have the head off.B The drain hole is directly below the passage hole and exactly above the drain plug.B The factory obviously just drilled the drain plug hole and then drilled the passageway hole to the head another 5 or 6 inches deeper to connect the 2.B I was just wondering if it was more complicated (more than 1 "downward"hole, but I'm now sure it isn't. B Thanks for the responses! B Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 3 16:58:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668912D0653 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:58:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A8D2D03BE for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp27.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 59E2B11840E for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:00:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: from legacy3.wa-web.iad1a (legacy3.wa-web.iad1a.rsapps.net [192.168.2.219]) by smtp27.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 466A0118416 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 141.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by legacy3.wa-web.iad1a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395F021680AC for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by webmail.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: brad.kahler@141.com, from: brad.kahler@141.com) with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: brad.kahler@141.com To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Type: plain Message-ID: <1341356422.233712113@mail.141.com> X-Mailer: webmail7.0 Subject: [TR] Interesting error in the Haynes manual X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I was in the process of installing a Pertronix unit in my TR4 today and ran across and mistake in the Haynes manual for Triumph TR2,3,3A,4,4A copy writ 1971. As I was following the step by step instructions for setting the timing on my TR4 after having installed the Pertronix unit I found that the instructions read "Slowly and carefully turn the distributor body anti-clockwise until with the heel of the fibre rocker arm on the cam the points just begin to open." I was using a test light instead of the fibre rocker arm to determine when the points opened. The problem with the above statement is the distributor shaft turns anti-clockwise and so you need to actually rotate the distributor clockwise until the points just begin to open. After first setting the timing the way the book described it seemed like the distributor was somewhat out of position compared to how it was normally oriented. I tried to start the engine and it would hardly turn over because the timing was so far advanced. After studying the problem for a few minutes I finally realized the mistake. Made for a frustrating tune up session! Brad 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 4 02:54:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604A82D06A3 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 02:54:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.farmside.co.nz (mx1.farmside.co.nz [118.82.130.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87A22D02A7 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 02:47:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=118.82.148.217; Received: from AshleysPC (unverified [118.82.148.217]) by farmside.co.nz (mail) with ESMTP id 121577541-1739096 for ; Wed, 04 Jul 2012 20:49:27 +1200 Message-ID: From: "ashleys" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:49:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Authenticated-User: ashleys@farmside.co.nz X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR5 Cam Setting X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi!, What is the degree setting for 35/65 65/35 TR5/6 cam with no 1 inlet valve at full lift. 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Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:05:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341421504.26347.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3 - MST3K X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: William Brewer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently watched a Mystery Science Theater 3000 dvd. For those who don't know, it is a show made in the 90's where they take awful movies from the 50's and 60's and show silhouettes of two robots and a guy critiquing the movie and adding their own lines. It is hysterical to watch. We watched one last night called "Girl's Town" and it had a TR3 small mouth and a Jag XK120 that featured prominently. When the TR3 was being driven away by an escaping girl one of the robot silhouettes yelled "watch out, the first gear isn't synchromeshed and there may not be enough oil in the dash pots!" or something like that. Pretty funny for a Brit car guy. -Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 4 11:52:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EF02D0B8F for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:52:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78DD72D0B68 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 17:54:09 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 17:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.108] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 17:54:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 17:54:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 340744.4523.bm@omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 60771 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2012 17:54:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=QPdfi6GLhytwtsBIGC8QtOIHEHCxm64xNO2w1e9eyuDtgSIRCzDEEoP4SrGZSI20bPKcxqGOOjjvwtkd9jXZP2qsP7iO9iJsHOptwOPlJfVR61CHHdOvuloNemMPPXy/CsGpnLmkwLj8oG0VrMXGx862wPYZLMzhttTsB3G2Jc4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1341424449; bh=XxIkFvNNB2FHEIgdjLjHLCUDzAun34KgNa1h5Yu9Mnw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=hzJxiYyLY/57GdKxKtsCSSxd+T7PMnBmkApkQLsMAzdMoBIbjdpAKdUu4U3qI+wj9OwM6pta44ty8P203d+jZIet3DmIlYgf6WVkT2aRcqDaE4Ia1xQzqMoDkhnmoyEfb2Wh5uy7pj80n7GmUoKVCwLOcl+wo0N+u8niY8OOhiM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mSF_7O0VM1mMBFcE8601PrJs_QS9IxsMuTZ1zaedwGn5kgl 3jXSLan76XZu.GJvBvAPHikcqqyiiPUhdbcBzPiLoLXNlqapPEMkVY5f.eLX wLwfm3iY6twcPJGFJfLHZtQun4rtJkBjK4ttQ5SxqBNUOfRtLyIqhxc1a99P o._dnc6N1_i7qtBLFSOr8Q4O2ejMv4JqXoe0RhWsoyz6twh.MsdBYUw7JGBU XHi5otGfG4wot.O6gQwMafU6k.fxVZNmgKmbwo0ugk.uwscO.qHYBGpEsv3M zrRfsNiVNqf.H4qmdxrDTOKYlnHwRRqXBzTTOpNPxmowi7lM13iBaE5tC.Uy ynMZt2T10MXFWKqjK43IoiZZDeKB0LqgKCkXm4cXHFEtAVlmxO6FNN3CMXit 78.Y3il9l86Mst.ys__p9G8RkN2_A X-Yahoo-SMTP: MDGza_qswBAgyXr4jGOoN7xw7ESbp_tRSUhNZ0MvX6drvGE- Received: from [10.59.52.158] (bill_beecher@32.145.196.11 with plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2012 17:54:08 +0000 UTC From: Bill_beecher X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:54:36 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [TR] Tr3b Comm Plate X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Comparing recent TR3B aquisitions with a neighbor and we noticed that while his Commission plate looks like the one pictured in the TRF book mine looks like the one for a 3A with the exception that the weight shows as 1170kg rather than 1120kg. Is there a reliable, definitive resource for what design was used for the 3A & 3B plate? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 4 12:56:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280B82D0B50 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:56:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7055A2D0B4F for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so13980410lbj.14 for ; Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DXgTXkg82DaHAhlvs4PvEkt/LcM4M646vIjiqe7E3LM=; b=oXAoP9nd3qpObGwr6otzfy8WrO+BgxaoZPLhy3e0Qw6M0g+zhX/Do7ILQQtZx0gNPE eg7bKdl5Wm0JGtJYtWH8D3IUld8nV6qd9cIl/M03DCW/mrEJoa4zlPvrloPBX/sOLYTl KKmAlxx7dvo8w9YgY0Xc+bjmmhR/PmTkoUjxkL3A/XgyxXplHHpgZF1oBrwweOtdPFlr JBg1Xz55hrIqVj31wgWpaIY/ipBA9+6fVpfeRC+cJ6tv6Rr0xkrtCRC7OqAsvdoB+VUx tWQ+6ucYMnsDwoq2pmyHVsItYicYWSoZ3XkiMUy36AebtZGKMtF+JOwMKR+xHm9PRL5d ReTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.131.9 with SMTP id oi9mr22683085lab.39.1341428308068; Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.112.230 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 14:58:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: Don Hiscock To: Bill_beecher X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3b Comm Plate X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure there are that many reliable rules where fine detail on TR3Bs is concerned. Any number of inconsistencies may turn up -- like the "straight diagonal" enamelled hubcap emblems from another thread a few weeks ago Their goal at the time obviously was to sell cars. My TSF202L plate reads 1170 kg. Don On Wednesday, July 4, 2012, Bill_beecher wrote: > Comparing recent TR3B aquisitions with a neighbor and we noticed that while > his Commission plate looks like the one pictured in the TRF book mine looks > like the one for a 3A with the exception that the weight shows as 1170kg > rather than 1120kg. Is there a reliable, definitive resource for what > design > was used for the 3A & 3B plate? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 4 13:10:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AA92D0B6B for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:10:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CA02D0B65 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (ool-44c75d75.dyn.optonline.net [68.199.93.117]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M6N00GSUH4KF140@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:07:31 -0400 From: Bob In-reply-to: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ac1aEJ8rn6rnVrojSHeGoNTWf5Iz5AABxoqg References: Subject: [TR] 13. Tr3b Comm Plate X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, TRF catalog might be a starting point for you for those Comm plates. Regards, Bob http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=30 Message: 13 Comparing recent TR3B aquisitions with a neighbor and we noticed that while his Commission plate looks like the one pictured in the TRF book mine looks like the one for a 3A with the exception that the weight shows as 1170kg rather than 1120kg. Is there a reliable, definitive resource for what design was used for the 3A & 3B plate? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 4 22:59:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291982D0B31 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:59:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBED42D09F7; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6A02E027; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 23:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FF51D5F.2010900@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:51:43 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Firefox/13.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net References: <4FF50F67.2020907@sri.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF50F67.2020907@sri.com> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Seeking Herald in Rough Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Too bad you don't want a Spitfire. If you came and hauled away one of the rusting hulks in the back yard my wife would be really grateful! mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 07:38:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF122D0B50 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:38:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06882C0458 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q65Bq7vl010098 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:52:07 -0400 Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0CC67E000081 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:52:06 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341489127; bh=8oSRYuDLrTtjd/OUK+GTymrc5pDzj6uZZpRcMGGEHPY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SxmoxRyRgjfE5JJcpDo2Nx5EXDm5SElfgN2fahbo66jqQVyz4Wb8Xd1f5L3T84HKa nRZiRH6HdTB6BeysOF5qTlz9Ts1dRi4k08lxl8PxnOL3KPYPCZt3hl3NoNEm2I0KwR wBLA8jC0AgZIrVctD7bD37jSQtOGQqx+mbnZiRNA= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:342265056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4ff57fe77b0f X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got into a bunch of trouble with the young guys here at work when I said the best Batman was Adam West. One guy wouldn't talk to me for days. Glad you got the drain sorted out. Dave In a message dated 7/3/2012 5:59:17 PM Central Daylight Time, pdqtr6@comcast.net writes: > I always thought he was at least a little fey, if not outright gay - and > don't get me started on Batman and Robin! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 07:56:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E93A2D0B31 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:56:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0362D0B03 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhq4 with SMTP id hq4so4994910wib.2 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kd2eMUdMNUXkxgMKBHv8/Qc35ml9KdefJMTBqZzGL1U=; b=dFw4WW9ZnYl0JDueKElhB4lZfSSpRt0moBcbRIPnlS5nq6RaDLA7d7gIWJ7FVhLXbh j6LHS9EVpt0VGjypz6pCKqYkYiaxMmiukkzg74wMqfSGGI/41yoDQMzrFBEcYh9bRxeL I76VwgCFXUEDrS5/fhWdDOYwuUV9xqf9Ot2PFVAn64ZisYnSJnDFnG3TuUCMsSA76YG2 TxgeA00tnIHVHrjoLD/bzTV8mRjqNDNpATqwefwTEvUihWh4ylOSrAo8ZWagr3whxka9 WCjMImBuFjih30lRH1B7IjmOYGtmaSTf+AmLm6LMyQJR2FOqPr1r3fAXTxuRHhl1cu12 +ihw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.105.234 with SMTP id gp10mr25571003wib.11.1341495062655; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Overall dimensions for tr6 dash X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Could use some help. Im away from home and saw some veneer for my tr6 dash project. Im not sure its wide enough. Could someone shoot me the overall dimensions LxW for their dash? Thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 09:13:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDC42D0B65 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:13:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CB42D0A70 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:49:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=AtpsLZBP c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=DY4iRfLGXm0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=VV8ToWfTOrR2-eSL4IEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:54926] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3A/60-09809-71AA5FF4; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 14:52:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3BF233C805A1422DA1AD42B16BA8E082@GregPC> From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Chris Simo" , "list Triumph" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:52:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] Overall dimensions for tr6 dash X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Slighly UNDER 44" x 7" for a TR250, the TR6 would be the same. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 09:34:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5840C2D0B31 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:34:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 088222D0AFE for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.241] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 15:10:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 732381.56722.bm@omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78815 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2012 15:10:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1341501013; bh=kMY1M61C1MmGfFyTgUpKo79MNh1fwvm/BfvDHid80EA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ECIcG4HPLI7CPyIsTCaHNotkx+Xadi43kb4CfK4v0iu5r6IIdRSIqs4EZ4qHrCuLFf2R4J9zDV5eG8M9pBz8SQqA8h+wNILmjyJjxCo0M5LNq+YjMhrdUFYn8VR2F/TxnW/rx0f+5UnK5VnF38xR9a7DO6C9cEa+JKFRHxuAxiA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z/T9gsBGBYcV//HtPsRN2LNwAuBY8CFr0v6AT47QKu/IfnWNYHPlSuvUhxSDIPKHduMyXbf5v1j4XkhSj5G0CeQ3IF+8Ggrc7B95czzBKHCg7ZWyhu730jltcK7Y9nsQgBpZWX2cItbzzH3/NGfiOczPxlqQ8Sj0lCfx/gvrezA=; X-YMail-OSG: _zfesk0VM1kQCJjQzYfyJJq3tFwSHRmyG6qxTY1SZ.UIhnT fm1wzaf_72zrQw49vdyNOEijsWOIvNYQqFfF8Hlp7tANSysu364lrn9n6ov3 JMtWWbHUVP_LbzyPRYGzXUw0r22BajXFbxYE7IM.GcEPk85t42BNYhnZx_z. m0msgb4Hn4gvKxKbkmvaoXxmrPGBegp3NFy9ddiHxTWZanCUvpUgugDfpCwX uE1SW2Wf9e2KWm9kiZQiC8jO4Elrbw9ngdakdUkbdeBkq1lHZrBPu6pyoKWK MkCc.a6i6cYPUKMv1JL.QyG2NX4y0H8mcpWQiob_nKa1kLbbOq_iCyah1xNy X1E8zb36dD2TtDHKOh6E8mUzZUH43WFgHgncg7QlshdGufSYluRN1isVh5P9 sVhL01XthW.Ynd997es7qAsqkfES_QnXPFGX4FYJkQOrBqQ-- Received: from [212.139.251.144] by web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:10:13 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1341501013.63601.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:10:13 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Bill_beecher , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3b Comm Plate X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill I'd speculate that as the 3B was only destined for the US market and not many of them at that in comparison to 3A build, the likelihood of having a new style Comm Plate for a car that wasn't totally different from its predecessor is improbable. It's a lot cheaper to make a slight alteration (e.g. the weight) than to go the whole hog and re-hash the whole thing. But that's only a speculation and backed up by the fact that Standard-Triumph never spent any money on anything unless it absolutely had to. That said, probably another lister will pop up to say his/her comm plate is totally different. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Bill_beecher To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012, 18:54 Subject: [TR] Tr3b Comm Plate >Comparing recent TR3B aquisitions with a neighbor and we noticed that while >his Commission plate looks like the one pictured in the TRF book mine looks >like the one for a 3A with the exception that the weight shows as 1170kg >rather than 1120kg. Is there a reliable, definitive resource for what design >was used for the 3A & 3B plate? > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 10:16:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E38C2D0B28 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:16:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56CAB2D0A26 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 14:53:14 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 14:53:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 14:53:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 701516.11978.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 9243 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2012 14:53:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1341499994; bh=3EtQ5POfV9IMbujZLq8LqCuUb7QOaVAJjFfoi7RdxJk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hBX83e/SlAJ4uR2dAjAcDgCVt4erM+aQMEuicKx6FwQ4+NCB7p06X1DoveLtZmRifajbMZuRDyi7VHTwmKkDOVyZRfioXYJO7Mqnvh/62Ur0Rn19HS7R+9FmyWdnqwPOc6+sFQaQTHcO5I6M5G6n84qrm3+uVYMeAq48lznWGEU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p5s7JY6EHVFtT1MtK3dmZBG7vtJj3wkp+DSLmPoGYkPkCcHJi4i6fg79eNj+9HCGS4B7/75ZsQ9QV37FGHusicaXlJ8FosJ+P3e8a8I7Hd3IlmfwLLvrQWvz018MsK7BvKKPW8BY3HrKMOSvUZUflb/D551mJMt+cFFkZHrCaRo=; X-YMail-OSG: V3MyCLoVM1lxa_8cG7la0PaD5Fk68xfJ4uL5sgDQ8mxIrAq aWO2infQIDG4rSFR0YfmFITVmH2YmRKWenPij8tBnpGDNfAqomTSSNSA8elH bRCH6MvohoVqLd9Dmg3Br0KuaxI9UW5YeyJc8HlgJ2mtD4TGWqmEjDnCQOGY qbK9Mq_WRIYBNayrrREbHMVWLQJw6gLbjWi_00CfaIF90p5IRkdOwtvn0MsP CCDub9wsQjcLJAGVrRulzMxYz2NaGWKBhMtflDTYQbEvAVvvfuWH905HfuQd 515hsfZO8tYYaC4E3KqWxbog3ZR521FatEBUi9pp9cKLNQlnSQkbEulyWeEL ETZazCkt62ANFJzUKCOb_Q0BKDXF8MLTYsc.f4BpYMxXXtVDcAa3Wde_fbn1 kXYPwmehGHrsCE9I1829cMEiy8vj073GJZKq.s44s1eufzQ-- Received: from [212.139.251.144] by web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:53:14 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1341356422.233712113@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <1341499994.8869.YahooMailNeo@web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:53:14 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: "brad.kahler@141.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1341356422.233712113@mail.141.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting error in the Haynes manual X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I guess you can't get all of it right all of the time for everyone? Sigh ... Jonmac ________________________________ From: "brad.kahler@141.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012, 0:00 Subject: [TR] Interesting error in the Haynes manual >Listers, > >I was in the process of installing a Pertronix unit in my TR4 today >and ran across and mistake in the Haynes manual for Triumph TR2,3,3A,4,4A copy >writ 1971. > >As I was following the step by step instructions for setting the >timing on my TR4 after having installed the Pertronix unit I found that the >instructions read "Slowly and carefully turn the distributor body >anti-clockwise until with the heel of the fibre rocker arm on the cam the >points just begin to open." I was using a test light instead of the fibre >rocker arm to determine when the points opened. > >The problem with the above >statement is the distributor shaft turns anti-clockwise and so you need to >actually rotate the distributor clockwise until the points just begin to open. >After first setting the timing the way the book described it seemed like the >distributor was somewhat out of position compared to how it was normally >oriented. I tried to start the engine and it would hardly turn over because >the timing was so far advanced. > >After studying the problem for a few minutes >I finally realized the mistake. Made for a frustrating tune up session! > >Brad >1963 TR4 > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 12:11:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64142D0A94 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 12:11:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD9A12D0954 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 17:43:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.62] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 17:43:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 17:43:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341510225; bh=p7CnBgjh5e70zCDw/+t07qtfnnRAgNFAqX5Uiqo0V0c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fqs5WWPPJtlC+Ia/VPnge0va5JaEstzcclZbYnlc0r2TIMQfuNZbuTQwcvFixgXEopt+luWF7CI/lNLTmymzQh1mJC7tR0V+uRG5oDAlRfDSud9pSlsLvLfiUh/LabdSJ4O2atafXxxodvQSvefYL6kVDxHCriyi0WFcll1ulgs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 963164.6594.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <963164.6594.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yOODU6MVM1kCZM8AqQQkH4.tMAiYHzcdew8lzRV61lQV3bV TZtLXBhTYRYrb0QSbaC2O17G_k92lUIW15GUn9L5.O_h.u1Mc3TFeEAsnsBW U0ejf5UK8bVxUw7S3aqpH7szaJaDgZp3bQnlfalyheVYWj9cavb7WVsMK554 qynZ7RAmitj7YTUhOpFsuMP8wjvzgJPQGMddOHhlVmX29cOgZk4idQzy06LN n6aJ40KZP7EDCAaTI6EkakfoTB1g_Pa6zKjAgy7k9xUiDSPFSQRlEmSgoKZU 2MkjtNKAD9itPJ6s49pSeIx.BbMd_TLjT75N_3Ux_q40bHNzbOhSt1gfK1YV SJJcbJUWTZKh7Kpu90N0LnJkCuTyhOpSZrmpODOc19x2IubSgayzfmwUfOgF PStMpoOLm4.dlz43imjBqGlC_9gZcmMiQQluDmesPx262nHq26k41 X-Yahoo-SMTP: te.y5JyswBCkek_kLE0wFP.AJlNSXA-- Received: from [10.247.141.157] (yellowtr3@174.254.89.52 with login) by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2012 10:43:40 -0700 PDT To: Dave1massey@cs.com,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?eWVsbG93dHIzQHlhaG9vLmNvbQ==?=" Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?X-ray_Vision_Would_be_Nice=2E=2E=2E?= X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Adam west is Batman. All others are imposters Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 4:52 am Subject: [TR] X-ray Vision Would be Nice... To: I got into a bunch of trouble with the young guys here at work when I said the best Batman was Adam West. One guy wouldn't talk to me for days. Glad you got the drain sorted out. Dave In a message dated 7/3/2012 5:59:17 PM Central Daylight Time, pdqtr6@comcast.net writes: > I always thought he was at least a little fey, if not outright gay - and > don't get me started on Batman and Robin! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 15:02:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6684D2D0A7A for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:02:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF9E72D092A for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 14:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 20:44:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.128] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 20:44:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 20:44:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 797709.16939.bm@omp1011.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48909 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2012 20:44:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341521066; bh=4e72prR92w4LTlKk1niOHMledOVCOF1d9+osYATrqEE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t2QPIij7XucHWH47dFrwPOe8AxBJr9qGrZZoKuOJabWsyN9bJVBcvFEP+IECtToTgLM95MUMz4mrPsl2z3ivRju+NZxmdKz+dUc+bzFH/zJ/MosDbn6053t06+X23AlYfM6U6ibaR/xGOdxlfFKJ08VlnfsxrwRB7rBi1h5IkI4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o3J9XDf8ShrEWF/BbcY41aWxiCqi/nRtuxaupyq5x3Aau4X0sbXF/FZHIWAxq1yT7fpb/YJ3D60lC0ZFH4Lppaq/D7NhPiuNqDlHKk3RPCWALNFHgEzoU6qJ93SPzuO4MN0dQnZe+yRnjibkQBJfMwPQ3VdkV/beG8QdmrMgqag=; X-YMail-OSG: v2N54W8VM1lNaXSlrk.e52gQ0wmApkUHp3qDTsHoa3b7pZB mv1l0rNVGYE3wa1l6MMb81zZpTU2LDaBMt2euQ2EsIl8q0MNK3eccN517jSh FDjNP5VLKxlkHpmQwWpQgCHaogwoAIsUYk2TNy_m1UdTxGO29MoI5yfbAgqM 4RtQWIndPdxajJuQhtOmmrR1.1ZxZPajE.LZntRLE4UAYHeyGEobiYqW3h49 PujH_tuTAKXDFLEkYFExay.9qHxtiIsuD724gE7na6Q0Ty64XtVlZ9orWpkQ lyWZgaoAw5p20N_6hv2vwn_xMH1gZBJDV26DW1nOfZcO_911k0xDArZxtmvn _N1w_y27_m6zckz6St6tCr9FptSKEGTGhlyJdF6P7NN9sn7UbwRWhAr.m65Z LzHqXJuyG9RBDNXapsZFFt.RtuLlOfc7P Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 13:44:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1341521066.46813.YahooMailNeo@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] mst3k......dvd X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OMG........i'd forgotten about that show. I always thought it was hilarious. Used to watch it with my kids seemingly years ago. Will have to netflix it and relive with my kids and grandkids! thanks for the memories! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 5 19:19:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60E12D0939 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:19:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from brightmail-internal4.sri.com (brightmail-internal4.SRI.COM [128.18.84.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9117B2D0828 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:01:38 -0600 (MDT) X-AuditID: 80125485-b7f476d000001704-eb-4ff639752dcf Received: from mars.esd.sri.com (mars.esd.sri.com [128.18.26.200]) by brightmail-internal4.sri.com (SRI Internal SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id 21.12.05892.57936FF4; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:03:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [128.18.6.210] (dhcp6-210.SRI.COM [128.18.6.210]) by mars.esd.sri.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.05 (built Sep 1 2009; 64bit)) with ESMTPA id <0M6P00FM9SA7BN00@mars.esd.sri.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <4FF63994.2050400@sri.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:04:20 -0700 From: Cregg Cowan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFuphluLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42JpEJI6oVtq+c3fYEuflUXf/PPMDoweu37P YA9gjOKySUnNySxLLdK3S+DKuNe6l73gH2vF4rk7mRsY77F0MXJySAiYSCy5fIMNwhaTuHBv PZDNxSEkcJJRYurPtYwgCV4BQYkfk0EaODiYBeQlDp6XBQkzC1hLrJy0jRGifi6TxLcVh5gg 6tUkes+uAFvAIqAq0XS6nRnEZhNQl3jxbiGYLSqQI7H11m2wehEBaYlv7UfAdgkLaEkcfzSZ dQIj7ywkq2chrJ6FZPUCRuZVjDJJRZnpGSW5iZk5urCQMdErLsrUS87P3cQIDqOQ1h2MK/YY HmIU4GBU4uHtzP/iL8SaWFZcmXuIUYKDWUmEtzfjq78Qb0piZVVqUX58UWlOavEhRmkOFiVx 3m/m/P5CAumJJanZqakFqUUwWSYOTqkGxsVTpmuwTfSdPa3nbcSMLSc1WvM//44PNjBLlnOx V8meL3nHWKn5byjHo4SVOvPX21ksiDmw3ULk2MuD7HbcFmFbax65VjS1bK7M72sp84lP/VjM 6iuT/VlUnV1SZEHSruzCxmX2ad7LF5z8zemvpBJswMsZeuLCTTvV3679HVH+F3//bUtWYinO SDTUYi4qTgQA+cIqiR8CAAA= Subject: [TR] Seeking Herald in Rough Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts, Several of us in the San Francisco are Triumph club (Triumph Travelers) have gotten interested in Lemons racing, and have been driving with a team that campaigns a MGB (sacrilege!).We would like to put together a Triumph based Lemons car and our first choice is a Herald, since it is somewhat unusual, shares so many parts with widely-available Spitfires, and has body-on-frame configuration that is easy to maintain / work on. Do any of you know of a Herald rusting away under a tree or behind a shed?Ideally within ~8 hours drive of San Jose? Thanks in Advance, Cregg Cowan, Andy Packard and John Sisler PS. You may have noticed that MJB replied to my message *before* I posted it. He's very talented. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 11:28:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276962D0958 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:28:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E262C0BC5 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id X4cU1j0080EPchoAC4x6vR; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:57:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.44] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id X4x51j00X4L5TyG8M4x5cz; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:57:06 +0000 Message-Id: <225C39FE-D114-4F63-AD82-39DD5CDFF8E6@comcast.net> From: Bud Rolofson To: marty sukey In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:57:04 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Hacked email address book X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darn it. Since I hold your opinion in hight regard and need to lose a few pounds I had high hopes for this "miracle" weight loss product. Although I did think it was a bit cheeky on your part...kinda like all the people that send me mental health treatment suggestions and links. Nice to find out it was a hack job. ;) Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:15 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Somebody hacked into my email this morning and sent a link out to > everybody in my contacts. If you got an email from me with a link > but no text PLEASE do not open it. I apologize for the > inconvenience. I am working on fixing the issue. > > Marty Sukey ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 13:22:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE222D08F6 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:22:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50122D09CE for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2012 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BVR08867; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from 64-121-239-224.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.108]) ([64.121.239.224]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2012 15:09:48 -0400 Message-Id: From: Allen Hess To: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:09:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [TR] TR4 vacuum port X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had occasional but persistent oil fouling of the #1 plug for a few years and a hotter plug in that cylinder has helped. Symptoms point to worn valve guides. I was going to get a vacuum gauge and try to do some more diagnosis. However, I don't have any manifold vacuum port other than the advance line in the carburetor. And I'm not sure that would work as it lies beneath the throttle plate. The intake manifold has two bosses cast into the balance tube which certainly looks like Triumph was thinking about this but it would have to be drilled and tapped. Anyone else been down this road? Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 14:30:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9765A2D0C02 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:30:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EC22D09AD for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q66KEFKa030639 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:14:15 -0400 Received: from [10.254.212.11] (119.sub-174-252-8.myvzw.com [174.252.8.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 06C18E0000AE; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:14:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawerence Schwartz X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8E200) Message-Id: <9335F78A-25CD-4D83-8A62-B65D58903F69@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:14:08 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8E200) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341605655; bh=zPw/r4uEiw/8/jTB5VV+rTb3ZOXtBGaPqX5btbJ8x1Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=WD5cVDn19QTDget5R5oLyDNGg+OZP6uCT8iicYQB6dJ85EvQN8dY8U8/WYg8Q2Ix6 gVb7/hVIwId1jkliQV+BsvSA3HxE4JgYk1Pgx6gcqIy3J1RopdaMiRbWWmV2JpHa1P EN4nId0rd9TWxafjiKZE+/UUG2xTB93Lx2meHC2M= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:355767104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29014ff7471657b4 X-AOL-IP: 174.252.8.119 Subject: [TR] Tr-Tr-3a X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I have left my Bentleys book at a distant garage. With reference to a Tr-3a , I need too replace the water pump. Will I need to remove the front radiator and the apron as well? Any input would greatly be appreciated. Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 14:47:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1562D0C6D for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:47:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC7402D0C06 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2012 20:32:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.207] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2012 20:32:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2012 20:32:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1341606720; bh=wVOKWwwQHuBA6ogvA85B4OXeJ+uXdbhYQbwMQb+H01Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=ifBMHQoIcO/75SmtTWSfqyG5dici6C+TPR+Frutbyp4o9aN8v2/hZ66WxoaPxIhwGvevK150TN6hNUmqRvFl1nGB6DaQu7s/zZrLk79EmYE1NvGErE8E3T3SIUNElGKMNrqX+7KyPXy8hwHd7h3nb2aPfLIlg+8rCuQEegmyw1o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 610499.88535.bm@smtp216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: UkEgSAAVM1n6WaRmzdm5XC5NRbZ_jltLNjx8LMMFbyXef2I bnrlLq2VFqxc4ygNl_54vwXiddXmieHtYf22EW6aWUCXUPjaC_VcEyKq2Ch. fXwcKXnUAXKDJNdfoEeFllBD_IWUtw13ItM0eyPu3zbSuKras9D2.mbiEs82 UBw8VpbCt.HVg0hDWM54pj6Z9BvdblVV1K4o5uInxBuwjLej1_c7rUpMjxaQ 6S5aDYFD1oaxl8gdUjHNTwrdzfks7iIu2nX7_Ojba1v8klaTboVDn_U0C0Tg rVxALZcooNISxng7eomtkDVNKLjj.zEA8TSNmG4fOQRe_S9rOeTd5ynj8tjs lehEkl_BtyyJUTZaDMPVdA0HK5aUZZ48i3VbEieDCafzG8vrMsluITwDWRS9 ixFiAxDSAkLyJ04KVTn9BiAtbfLeHXl2RRbYA2cu7S6oXgPNDEPX1FXtBf7l V6rsLdesgWLrvLsOO8wJQHQzmReziut54mybv6u5CnFlSWbMvpZV4sAhS28G Jmbx2X32O9K5M7pr_9mkemwbD X-Yahoo-SMTP: MDGza_qswBAgyXr4jGOoN7xw7ESbp_tRSUhNZ0MvX6drvGE- Received: from bboffice (bill_beecher@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jul 2012 13:32:00 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Allen Hess'" , =?us-ascii?Q?'=22triumphs_list=22'?= References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1brRJpAPM/HsSMTjKaIOIl6+RIZQACILlg In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 vacuum port X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe I'm all wet but what test would help you to isolate the #1 hole valve guides by tapping a fitting into the balance tube? If I suspect that I have a valve guide problem, a good wiggle test will usually show it with out having to pull the head. Any reason not to suspect that you might have a broken or frozen ring? Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:10 PM To: "triumphs list" Subject: [TR] TR4 vacuum port I've had occasional but persistent oil fouling of the #1 plug for a few years and a hotter plug in that cylinder has helped. Symptoms point to worn valve guides. I was going to get a vacuum gauge and try to do some more diagnosis. However, I don't have any manifold vacuum port other than the advance line in the carburetor. And I'm not sure that would work as it lies beneath the throttle plate. The intake manifold has two bosses cast into the balance tube which certainly looks like Triumph was thinking about this but it would have to be drilled and tapped. Anyone else been down this road? Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 15:16:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD83E2D0BD3 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:16:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7ED2D0BB5 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so11089812yen.14 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=syQ6454UUC65zxn9K7EJLicUbC/coYowWgB87OqA75o=; b=WD+N+YHK3VOX+Xs3hRAYY+p/ITqOnQYtRrZa7qMjD+bqF2uhPTDzwLub23aYUzt4q0 nIMCe6oCOq4eOkBTTIHCwwm5/1nEyFIL++FyB/IC62nxqy9PQd3wVuciV8Hk2JraCMY+ yJnDhZZAmxXVDVnsa4JJQJMKhgxIKQFEXhQS6BOotUqlQcIhwYQfdQsB4efuZ/HG4d3Q BQBTgIAIrDzsF7XFP4r3rjB7gHA4WXeIOHCLj5/0TnWSFtvVKdQrtDO9o/7tarSLWNfJ 63xmxFcT6RAqNOI6/Y6mUlGoxxX4OKS13kCvxI8wfxMi58cTCyJybyvU6nt/bRMvZ/qq kSMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.230 with SMTP id y6mr3468990igm.20.1341608107090; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.251.163 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9335F78A-25CD-4D83-8A62-B65D58903F69@aol.com> References: <9335F78A-25CD-4D83-8A62-B65D58903F69@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Lawerence Schwartz X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Tr-Tr-3a X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not necessary to remove the radiator or apron. Some remove the pulley and then the pump, some remove the pump with the pulley still on it. Both methods work. Some after-market pumps have non-removable pulleys -- if you have one of those it will, of course, dictate which method you use. Geo On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Lawerence Schwartz wrote: > List, I have left my Bentleys book at a distant garage. With reference to a > Tr-3a , I need too replace the water pump. Will I need to remove the front > radiator and the apron as well? Any input would greatly be appreciated. > Larry > Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 15:31:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542432C0CCB for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:31:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461222D09CB for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2012 17:15:33 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BOP17942; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:15:33 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=64.121.239.224; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-sender="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral identity=mailfrom; client-ip=64.121.239.224; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-sender="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=64.121.239.224; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-sender="postmaster@[192.168.1.108]"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 64-121-239-224.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.108]) ([64.121.239.224]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2012 17:15:33 -0400 Message-Id: From: Allen Hess To: bill_beecher@flash.net, =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:15:31 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 vacuum port X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the photo. I do have the same manifold as your TR3B but it is not tapped and plugged as yours is. From what I've read, worn guides will cause a noticeable fluctuation of vacuum at idle. Compression in #1 is higher than 2, 3, 4 (172 lbs. / 165 lbs.) which may be due to carbon build up. I haven't tried but can you wiggle the stem with the spring in place?? Allen On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:31 PM, wrote: > Maybe I'm all wet but what test would help you to isolate the #1 > hole valve > guides by tapping a fitting into the balance tube? If I suspect > that I have > a valve guide problem, a good wiggle test will usually show it with > out > having to pull the head. > > Any reason not to suspect that you might have a broken or frozen ring? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:10 PM > To: "triumphs list" > Subject: [TR] TR4 vacuum port > > I've had occasional but persistent oil fouling of the #1 plug for a > few > years and a hotter plug in that cylinder has helped. Symptoms point > to worn > valve guides. I was going to get a vacuum gauge and try to do some > more > diagnosis. However, I don't have any manifold vacuum port other than > the > advance line in the carburetor. And I'm not sure that would work as > it lies > beneath the throttle plate. > > The intake manifold has two bosses cast into the balance tube which > certainly looks like Triumph was thinking about this but it would > have to be > drilled and tapped. Anyone else been down this road? > > Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 17:38:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FFD2D0AE2 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:38:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E672D09C2 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so18495790pbb.14 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:14:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jRtjuC6ve6C5n5otAlLjn5diEqK/qB+2SK1P68sHYyk=; b=bnUwPCttpOujIua6VJHw3dUziEf7rD5axy2x/ai4+cSwz7gbIruEUM7wp39ZXIq4UM aN6aTzY/E8rzbBkOuZcQWgMSo/eVDFYghfYRKqM+bF9opYBETLk3yN5iehDrHJAz4hhR 7bjFrvC1IBQAAAnFxmvRDiECfgnhHTnNg8ofOF2hcZazL48AUtJOrGN3Y65maWoLETC/ YgQPpbnbPXGUCnRY4RAn+j3knnt/21jVTP9/Zp55+gCPhmbb/7iJkrc2tScqOwySJckU cNS1vXPqEYDEJ9Ym4eCveDl9/iengb2cIxeOSZoldzVwthL1dGiURM/K0dAj3PfUHlUd DKjQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.227.40 with SMTP id rx8mr28653761pbc.6.1341616454027; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 19:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any pros or cons. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=360471498641#ht_832wt_1163 Here is the description from the auction: This 5 1/4 by 3 1/4 by 1 1/2 inch compact yet powerful unit can be hidden most anywhere and all functions are controlled directly from your audio device Maintains your cars original stock interior appearance. 50 Watts per channel, four channels (4 speaker outputs). Plays through your existing 4 ohm speakers. Plenty of power for most speakers. Includes power cord and speaker connections. 3.5 input for iPod/iPhone/ MP3 player (Cell phones, Microsoft Zune, SanDisk Sansa, & Creative Zen) It's like a mini CD changer with way more songs then any CD changer could hold. BONUS 3.5 to 3.5 input cable is included. (sd card, usb stick, mp3 player, ipod, iphone NOT INCLUDED) 20% the size and 1/3 the cost of other hidden or "Secret Audio" systems. Why pay for more then you need? Includes Woody's Exclusive installation and operation instructions. Large print and in English! Will work in 6 volt vehicles and positive ground vehicles with optional converter ($59) Requires 4 ohm speakers, original (old) speakers may not sound good. Upgraded speakers are available (6.5, 5X7, 6X9, & 4X10 dual voice coil or 5.25, 5 inch, 3.5, 4 inch speaker pairs) 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 17:53:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C8B2D0BAD for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:53:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D172D0A54 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=xJsEcUV9AAAA:20 a=DaNDGcJQw_MpfAaz1qMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CrPD_s8Bj8MA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:61941] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id ED/C3-17657-74577FF4; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 23:31:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Allen Hess'" , =?us-ascii?Q?'=22triumphs_list=22'?= References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:31:16 -0700 Message-ID: <083301cd5bcf$712db070$53891150$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1brQoR59MJAUL8TPSBb0LLHmLsNAAIOiVA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 vacuum port X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > However, I don't have any manifold vacuum > port other than the advance line in the carburetor. And I'm not sure > that would work as it lies beneath the throttle plate. Right, not what you need. > The intake manifold has two bosses cast into the balance tube which > certainly looks like Triumph was thinking about this but it would have > to be drilled and tapped. Anyone else been down this road? My 3A had the earlier manifold without the bosses. I drilled and tapped anyway, in two different places, one in the center of the balance tube and the other on the front. The walls appeared to be thick enough to hold 1/8 NPT threads without any trouble. If you look closely (best to zoom in, sorry I don't have a higher res photo) at http://goo.gl/2cQS1 maybe you can see the hex head plug that is in the hole in the balance tube; and a rubber cap on the added fitting at the front. The fitting at the front was the one I used for a vacuum gauge, while the one in the balance tube was a leftover from an abortive attempt to add water injection. (The duct tape on the air filters covers two more holes, where the water was to go in.) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 6 18:54:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FA52D0BD8 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:54:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795982D0ACC for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=S6tbMfQP c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=QsHszqQDPD8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=WlgBf0sFAAAA:20 a=j8c7ABuIDVqxLIvNauwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1Fvk8JABBzUA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:63017] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4A/B9-00824-D4487FF4; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 00:35:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: <086e01cd5bd8$658d6040$30a820c0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1b0Mdh4qsU3ZaaRI+ssXgD12wbdAABDNmQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any > pros or cons. I have not. For one thing, that is not a "stereo", just an amplifier. It has to be wired to some sort of player to function. Possibly you aren't worried about having a device on the end of a wire roaming around loose inside the cockpit, but I am very opposed to such things. Other than that, I guess the concept and price is reasonable. However, I'd want to ask some pointed questions about what, exactly, that "50 watt" rating means. If that is 50 watts RMS 20Hz to 20kHz continuous with THD below 0.1%; wonderful. But if it is only 50 watts "peak", I think you'll be unhappy. Just saying "50 watts" is kind of like "fresh frozen fish", it doesn't mean a thing. Unless you really want 4 channels, you might shop around for a 2-channel amp. Some very brief poking around turned up a 700 watt x 2 Pyle for $60 (including shipping) @ Amazon. Larger footprint, but about the same thickness (should fit nicely above the gas tank). http://goo.gl/KTSqx Another thing to consider is where that power is coming from. A stock TR4 generator only puts out about 250 watts, and most of that is needed for the engine, headlights, etc. Since audio amps are rarely more than 50%-60% efficient, a real 50x4 output is going to require something on the order of 400 watts input power (like 30 amps). If you are serious about playing music loud enough to be heard over the wind noise, you'll need an alternator conversion. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 09:12:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A95E2D091D for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:12:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from brightmail-internal4.sri.com (brightmail-internal4.SRI.COM [128.18.84.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D72D0834 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:45:50 -0600 (MDT) X-AuditID: 80125485-b7f476d000001704-3b-4ff84c23e144 Received: from mars.esd.sri.com (mars.esd.sri.com [128.18.26.200]) by brightmail-internal4.sri.com (SRI Internal SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id D9.ED.05892.32C48FF4; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (user-64-9-239-40.googlewifi.com [64.9.239.40]) by mars.esd.sri.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.05 (built Sep 1 2009; 64bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0M6S00LRNP3V8540@mars.esd.sri.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <4FF84BE7.7050401@sri.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:47:03 -0700 From: Cregg Cowan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) To: William Brewer References: <1341666350.73873.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1341666350.73873.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrILMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXSICR1QlfZ54e/wbebZhZ9888zOzB67Po9 gz2AMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoEr4/mrDqaCz+oVJzuDGhjfKnQxcnJICJhIPJnawwhhi0lcuLee rYuRi0NI4CSjxPud05lBErwCghI/Jt9j6WLk4GAWCJOYvd0XomYNk0R/6yQWiBo1id07LjCB 1LAIqEq8mhoAEmYTUJd48W4h2BhRAWOJBe9OsoGUiAhoSLzYrg4SZhawkti1dx3YCcICehJf d34DKxEScJe4dlAPxOQU8JC4cLVmAiP/LCTnzEI4ZxbYHGuJlZO2MUKE5SUOnpeFCGtLPD/Z woQkvICRbRWjTFJRZnpGSW5iZo4uLDhN9IqLMvWS83M3MYIDNqR1B+OKPYaHGAU4GJV4eAXs v/sLsSaWFVfmHmKU4GBWEuGdoPrDX4g3JbGyKrUoP76oNCe1+BCjNAeLkjjvN3N+fyGB9MSS 1OzU1ILUIpgsEwenVANjCuOBoP8TzghpPAt49Goya7v04yvHYydd+ZO31jS9+SnXDgO1rzKP PK0nbHu/c6JQUeFErSSuneqbjTcVCO+ObJZu3+fBMe2o6f6vgq9bBYVnRoWlMlm4qZreYBGd nRc6XaR/klpPnFH39OCeSmvm2cI5US9cfFJPRGp+OJsYMH+e63u2DxFKLMUZiYZazEXFiQBI Zcz8VAIAAA== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumphs , apackard68@att.net Subject: Re: [TR] Seeking Herald in Rough Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, Thank you very much --- this may be just what we're looking for. Yes please do take a couple of photos (if not too inconvenient) and give him my email (cregg.cowan@sri.com) and daytime phone 650 859 2403. Hope to see you in Flagstaff at Triumphest. Cregg William Brewer wrote: > There is an abandoned two tone pale blue & white two door Herald > coup abandoned here in Tehachapi (about 5 or 6 hours from San Jose). I > have been told that someone cut some of the bodywork to put in a V6 or > something. I have not looked personally. I did see the car on Ebay, > but there were no bids. I could stop by and get contact info and take > some pix for you if you are interested. > I could also give the guy your contact information if you send it > to me. > > Bill in Tehachapi > > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:04:20 -0700 > From: Cregg Cowan > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Seeking Herald in Rough Condition > Message-ID: <4FF63994.2050400@sri.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts, > > Several of us in the San Francisco are Triumph club (Triumph Travelers) > have gotten interested in Lemons racing, and have been driving with a > team that campaigns a MGB (sacrilege!).We would like to put together a > Triumph based Lemons car and our first choice is a Herald, since it is > somewhat unusual, shares so many parts with widely-available Spitfires, > and has body-on-frame configuration that is easy to maintain / work on. > > Do any of you know of a Herald rusting away under a tree or behind a > shed?Ideally within ~8 hours drive of San Jose? > > Thanks in Advance, > > Cregg Cowan, Andy Packard and John Sisler ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 10:30:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3A72D092A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:30:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486582D092A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q67G3C1f009300 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:03:12 -0400 Received: from core-doc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.193]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3B05AE000087 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Message-ID: <2b613.5ecd854b.3d29b7c0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5002 X-Originating-IP: [173.49.70.39] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341676992; bh=JNSEtf2BHxdihy+WNyW1pY98fmR75tBihEuNgGULOyY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jzl6mxleLzFfCe3Vij8j35z1CRqXdUv/XEsZUDQdyQ2RnrYo7b6ZrzFGqH7yroKcA qips6DkauPKbyQuTVln757keXw1zljySVam9hmi4XBw3aXtUDm1nNNypTPyytokG/D f9JmPOUnrVIMoNzfNE9IQtwrzXBXvtcd8Ax9vkwk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422995424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4ff85dc05110 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Chevy Truck Question - the only relevance to Triumphs is rust:) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Please respond off-line so we don't tie up the bandwidth with non-TR emails.....but my question is related to rust so there is a definite connection to Triumphs there! I need a source for new steel fuel lines (front from engine to filter and rear from filter to tank) plus all metal brake lines for my 1994 Chevy S-10 pickup. Even our good friends at Classic Tube can't help me! I've always been careful to rinse the chassis as often as possible after driving in salt but I guess the weather has been too rough for the wonderful Chinese steel lines that GM must have used in 1994. TIA, Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 11:02:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A492D092A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 11:02:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71D142D0907 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:42:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 13:05:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 13:05:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 13:05:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 301272.53555.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 75203 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2012 13:05:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1341666350; bh=MuoOYC8mU1IoQaP3PJ6QFflFBdiDcnlL6aUyCqFMABY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jUqc7bR39ILryLSw8b+kqa1WlfbNIdkTXl8i1/Yf4oT5U9HHZYpHVoETNYmxjIyqtpVFXY+Na97kLTxZugIAHGyzz8mmx+xuWOs9yz0ObZthCcwNnqKWf/qAysQ7epx5j3SLSKUzj5VcL1vFxV96QW4zNP8sVgbncs+D6ZoI1+s= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V6Alk5RtoxmRgHT/+Z5DTBFIpukiAC3ww7H0VvzSty5hsWwk4wccKEs6kaEDGfua6OoQOF4bQK/BnFLC+ZCDvSwpAKUAOUk7Gd78xKlYPnlbnB2guambnqwYRgtKXZktflIpbhmLM/B7sh3E9U4AYzFxgIiqQupfhFjvX+Gd1Ls=; X-YMail-OSG: CGoUQwQVM1kgwM7Dd5GyIqE3.Q2doLxZRaZZDbHcvIUTAz7 zd9uTgxP6ilYOSroInVTjCC.lj5DW6lmm8NK4dY5G7DxOSZGTuteYktMQG15 88LlNcHR38FCPPX6sLBhf64cIX6EXd1p6QAEO9rhFJGDGdT6CHtONC3ZdEZ3 MA0KYA4wM39zhQZVU3jj1GGukSIDh2yXII82A6R2XHbbxGpK1rjvQFhhK8wB cpbZPGFszEiPZep0taH2MSDxidU5LcLVLrjBlKwY.KAI4drxqWXlEsBuW1hh SyMfrKlzDitnN2RmRM6qW4UA4KwVmgpe0gftx6hePj2Zn4f57hDPL1DHAZGG EgYuc3d2G4p1dsCEoJUsBCPWUAnQbXir5VR_FyKha4UYiMIcgvIEtbnJdglz o5Au9C1IPMuyB9e.44CsH8MBOoW6KlM_MZt2xlDGYcUTk9Y1rHoLOSCIWuE7 6 Received: from [108.220.113.93] by web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 06:05:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341666350.73873.YahooMailNeo@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 06:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "cregg.cowan@sri.com" Subject: [TR] Seeking Herald in Rough Condition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: William Brewer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is an abandoned two tone pale blue & white two door Herald coup abandoned here in Tehachapi (about 5 or 6 hours from San Jose). I have been told that someone cut some of the bodywork to put in a V6 or something. I have not looked personally. I did see the car on Ebay, but there were no bids. I could stop by and get contact info and take some pix for you if you are interested. I could also give the guy your contact information if you send it to me. Bill in Tehachapi Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:04:20 -0700 From: Cregg Cowan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Seeking Herald in Rough Condition Message-ID: <4FF63994.2050400@sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts, Several of us in the San Francisco are Triumph club (Triumph Travelers) have gotten interested in Lemons racing, and have been driving with a team that campaigns a MGB (sacrilege!).We would like to put together a Triumph based Lemons car and our first choice is a Herald, since it is somewhat unusual, shares so many parts with widely-available Spitfires, and has body-on-frame configuration that is easy to maintain / work on. Do any of you know of a Herald rusting away under a tree or behind a shed?Ideally within ~8 hours drive of San Jose? Thanks in Advance, Cregg Cowan, Andy Packard and John Sisler ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 12:44:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAC02D09AF for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849DA2D08AD; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q67ILnQw012979; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:21:49 -0400 Received: from core-mub004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mub004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.192.78]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 264DDE000089; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:21:49 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: davgil@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36542-STANDARD Received: from 71.30.34.234 by webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:21:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF2A848206359B-21D8-38789@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [71.30.34.234] Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:21:49 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341685309; bh=ejJiaNTukF2fIAmQy3zojzTLioXgXtvQ0QralB5mIZs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DgKD0pmBJPFPUBnLEENTfNqSV+G195QEo2CA3hcuvHZ5RV9E3OIityrMRwZnsYmcV aIAHYo8vfWUwSCXxwTmEVAfz0H/QtumEk/iruEELk/WZFIDBnG4Gleq+RYDvt5Pkyc VWQGhR+QiG1M3ugqNlRT/MS63GcE4N+XNQZ6sVNU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340577248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494ff87e3d41c2 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Horn issues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am trying to troubleshoot weak or no sound from the horns on my very stock 1976 TR6. My shop manual describes an adjustment procedure, but I don't believe that adjustment is my problem (and as usual, my horns don't have the described adjustment screw). I am getting approximately 6 volts at the horn connection. I suspect that I have some corrosion issue or a failing relay, but before I contine to scuttle downj useless paths, I wanted to determine if 6v was the proper voltage at the horns. As I continued to press and release the horn button, I got more response from the horns as if something was gradually releasing, but then blew the fuse. I looked in the archives, but did not find this specific information. If someone has experience in this area, I would appreciate it. Regards, David Gill 1976 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 13:24:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289D72D094F for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:24:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD632D0929 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail26-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.234) by CO1EHSOBE013.bigfish.com (10.243.66.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:04:02 +0000 Received: from mail26-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail26-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3711A201BD for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:04:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:134.226.1.156; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 0 X-BigFish: VPS0(zzzz1202hzzz2dh668h839h944hd25hf0ah107ah) Received: from mail26-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail26-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1341687840844289_1786; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS001.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.246]) by mail26-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4D2340044 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by CO1EHSMHS001.bigfish.com (10.243.66.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:04:00 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FEC968006 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:06:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A041C41BFF8; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 20:06:11 +0100 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub2.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.15]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1979168006 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:06:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub2.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.15]) with mapi; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:06:10 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:06:10 +0100 Thread-Topic: First run, big smie and question Thread-Index: AQHNXHORBnv4Yok5C0iUc0JckMPTkw== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-IE acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiVirus-Status: MessageID = A141C41BFF8 X-AntiVirus-Status: Host: imx2.tcd.ie X-AntiVirus-Status: Action Taken: X-AntiVirus-Status: NONE X-AntiVirus-Status: Checked by TCD Vexira. (version=1.60.5 VDF=10.130.61) X-OriginatorOrg: tcd.ie Subject: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On a very sunny (honest) day in Dublin, took the TR2 on the public roads for the first time in probably 40 years for the car and nearing the end of my 15 year project, driving about 30 miles. It drove without knocks or bangs, slight adjustment to the mixture and timing improved running, it does have an odd wobble at the front around 20mph, but nothing either side. My question is: when fully warmed up and I must say the temperature gauge sits bang in the middle throughout, at tick-over I have on the oil gauge 25psi and driving at 2000rpm around 40mph I have 50psi, how do these figures seem for a rebuilt engine? I still have a stupid grin on my face! John 1954 TR2 Long Door ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 13:53:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289A92D0927 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:53:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616FC2D0855 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:31:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZuBv2qHG c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=aXQkEyYH9s0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XfrtfeJAszXcHAO8QTIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:57977] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/1D-21135-E2F88FF4; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:34:07 +0000 Message-ID: <160F796706184337A30CC5CBBFF83AA1@GregPC> From: "Greg Lemon" To: "John Gillis" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:34:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds right to me, keep grinning, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 13:53:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5BE2D0B6C for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:53:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4CA2D093D for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170033pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M6T003KN2KEC87I@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.17.135.110 ([173.17.135.110]) by vms170033 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:38:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:38:38 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: JGILLIS@tcd.ie, triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <22260433.1211140.1341689918957.JavaMail.root@vms170033> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [173.17.135.110] Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TR6 guy myself, but those numbers sound pretty good to me. First day on vacation, I am smiling with you! Congrats! Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 On 07/07/12, John Gillis wrote: On a very sunny (honest) day in Dublin, took the TR2 on the public roads for the first time in probably 40 years for the car and nearing the end of my 15 year project, driving about 30 miles. It drove without knocks or bangs, slight adjustment to the mixture and timing improved running, it does have an odd wobble at the front around 20mph, but nothing either side. My question is: when fully warmed up and I must say the temperature gauge sits bang in the middle throughout, at tick-over I have on the oil gauge 25psi and driving at 2000rpm around 40mph I have 50psi, how do these figures seem for a rebuilt engine? I still have a stupid grin on my face! John 1954 TR2 Long Door ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:12:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49942D0C73 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:12:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 031342D08E4 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm25.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 20:47:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.178] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 20:47:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 20:47:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 846756.60698.bm@omp1061.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 60389 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2012 20:47:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341694030; bh=TEyBWu2KJT32JroM9UXpjuZb+N+MoRA8PfuPuFjZW8c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J8DkUSyRLtV+lnlVMOO7C/NsdCAnSv95sBOfre5Rrbw7HdQqUM7LeCpnPNrJZt8L0HN4Rxca63vH8q2ZyCnq1tfzv7F9AWM1Nw0tDOfWIvFNuWyf5TvdNwZVFuKn1HDXSAD+5JkzXkJ6Y13pxmLwxQ8Yyn3dB/iuEZKtLszHDhM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rtUl+x6HgIyKPFf03A9Z7qXvT+GIVTA6LVgreZm1CgqHp+QAGvKkVKIwb7FFR5yijBeLiG+EWJK3AKgAegDy9wEq6dyHwSUJQGXnrwDRIxLL0sjMDK7jz7oONGcG0aRmrdO3CLtX0QHfqICrU9HCwNqNoowT2VTmJL0Hr3sQMQQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 7b4UPo4VM1kA42.MnqzESh5KOCmGDRcFL9YIYNKxwOCjwed Ip1LfZzLmlXn.yBf7yL5ePk8Xw8_4DNooWfE6UwjC1Ztbp47eSr_C9V3LDMB zMlgiaYGlbugG_KDWo4WnPu_wVDybEKDco9IidIGYsXsJdoVMjHoO2VO.M01 LpavcuUCvxb7IvbKpl3jJLcYmy7T5TDwo4hODVVvYKVpmdOc_vKz5v7S1KX. 4.41YtmkG.T3p1DTDj7AamXFXa10M_wAVyVHpk9fErC4tWAdZfyiXkB8BsY. 6j5SSDVVL6U54GEBfNbTa8_ABkKVFt3pwAyQ8n8pSi.xZcdcZOlN5tBE18vq P5InpBc7YZxkWsuQtRWENfwqwvKZm3IElyz5uePjnYt3f9wXB7nxCfwCKdLm HGWDzy6RAV2aBBh4- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 13:47:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] vacuum advance thumbscrew X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've read some place that a complete 360 turn on the distributor vacuum advance thumbscrew (tr-3 motor) equals 8 degrees of either advance or retard, whichever is needed. If I've set up everything TDC compression stroke, pointer on hole in pulley.................(thumbscrew set in middle of its range................then I simply turn thumbscrew half a turn advance direction and I'm all set for start-up? Just checking to be sure. Getting ready for initial start up here. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:14:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5902D0CA5 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:14:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DE02D09BD for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XWbe1j00427AodY55Yw9UF; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 20:56:09 +0000 Received: from adminPC ([71.62.76.169]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XYwD1j00M3f9l333fYwEdy; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 20:56:14 +0000 From: "Ken Nachman" To: "'Brad Kahler'" , "'Triumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: <00eb01cd5c82$f0be4e40$d23aeac0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1bzQ5NLshNZqzEQQivJOsAIhGpBQAtO2/w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad - I recently installed this exact unit from Woody's into my '69 TR6. I removed a "modern" CD player the previous owner had installed. I bought a new uncut dash support and put a period radio that is not connected (but I guess I could have used a blanking plate). It looks great and I play my iPod through my 4 speakers. Sounds good and I can even hear it with the top down. I control the volume on my iPhone. Ken Nachman Richmond Triumph Register 1969 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler [mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:14 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any pros or cons. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=360471498641#ht_8 32wt_1163 Here is the description from the auction: This 5 1/4 by 3 1/4 by 1 1/2 inch compact yet powerful unit can be hidden most anywhere and all functions are controlled directly from your audio device Maintains your cars original stock interior appearance. 50 Watts per channel, four channels (4 speaker outputs). Plays through your existing 4 ohm speakers. Plenty of power for most speakers. Includes power cord and speaker connections. 3.5 input for iPod/iPhone/ MP3 player (Cell phones, Microsoft Zune, SanDisk Sansa, & Creative Zen) It's like a mini CD changer with way more songs then any CD changer could hold. BONUS 3.5 to 3.5 input cable is included. (sd card, usb stick, mp3 player, ipod, iphone NOT INCLUDED) 20% the size and 1/3 the cost of other hidden or "Secret Audio" systems. Why pay for more then you need? Includes Woody's Exclusive installation and operation instructions. Large print and in English! Will work in 6 volt vehicles and positive ground vehicles with optional converter ($59) Requires 4 ohm speakers, original (old) speakers may not sound good. Upgraded speakers are available (6.5, 5X7, 6X9, & 4X10 dual voice coil or 5.25, 5 inch, 3.5, 4 inch speaker pairs) 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:29:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9342D0C68 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:29:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from email.consolidated.net (omr03.consolidated.net [72.22.9.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ABC2D0897 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:05:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from client-66-116-3-234.consolidated.net (EHLO _192.168.0.105_) ([66.116.3.234]) by omr03.consolidated.net (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id FIP66205 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:35:28 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <8F15AEF6-FBCB-44E8-AED7-0BFA49C98A3B@consolidated.net> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Home Consolidated Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:07:25 -0500 To: John Gillis X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=good-1, source=Fixed, refid=n/a, actions=TAG X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=omr03.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020207.4FF8A50B.0068, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020207.4FF8A50B.0068, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: e7b44b6d5b14632cad87895fa90724df Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Congrats. It's a great feeling Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2012, at 2:06 PM, John Gillis wrote: > On a very sunny (honest) day in Dublin, took the TR2 on the public roads for > the first time in probably 40 years for the car and nearing the end of my 15 > year project, driving about 30 miles. It drove without knocks or bangs, slight > adjustment to the mixture and timing improved running, it does have an odd > wobble at the front around 20mph, but nothing either side. My question is: > when fully warmed up and I must say the temperature gauge sits bang in the > middle throughout, at tick-over I have on the oil gauge 25psi and driving at > 2000rpm around 40mph I have 50psi, how do these figures seem for a rebuilt > engine? > I still have a stupid grin on my face! > > John > 1954 TR2 Long Door > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs@consolidated.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:43:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6D82D0C41 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:43:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D192D0AE6 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:19:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: "G.D. Huggins" In-Reply-To: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <461A91B0-BC99-44BF-B685-CE42476E8FA8@genfiniti.com> References: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> To: Gary Nafziger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] vacuum advance thumbscrew X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've heard the same.. and have read it as well. What you are describing sounds like static ignition timing 101 right from the manual.. On Jul 7, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I've read some place that a complete 360 turn on the distributor vacuum > advance thumbscrew (tr-3 motor) equals 8 degrees of either advance or retard, > whichever is needed. If I've set up everything TDC compression stroke, > pointer on hole in pulley.................(thumbscrew set in middle of its > range................then I simply turn thumbscrew half a turn advance > direction and I'm all set for start-up? > > Just checking to be sure. Getting > ready for initial start up here. > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:43:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73B92D0C4C for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:43:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CDF2D0BA0 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:21:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=vIJbbhxOSdlUbuVFwZcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D9/6E-17657-CD8A8FF4; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 21:23:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <8CF2A848206359B-21D8-38789@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:23:40 -0700 Message-ID: <05e001cd5c86$c7fa5fe0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CF2A848206359B-21D8-38789@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: Ac1ccPf5xMswUnsgR/WT1iYZaSnHXgAFOJRg Subject: Re: [TR] Horn issues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I wanted to determine if > 6v was the proper voltage at the horns. Nope, should be 12v at the horns. > As I continued to press and release > the horn button, I got more response from the horns as if > something was > gradually releasing, but then blew the fuse. I would try getting the voltage at the horns up first, as low voltage can cause exactly those symptoms. Because of the way they work, horns can actually draw more current if the voltage is low (especially if one was not sounding at all). It's possible that one or both of the horns is bad, but not likely I think (and you'll need to repair the electrical stuff anyway even if you do wind up replacing the horns). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:44:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5CD2D0C8D for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:44:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BF02D0C42; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.2] helo=mailscan02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SncYX-0007qY-I8; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:28:45 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SncYX-0008GT-DZ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:28:45 -0400 Received: from authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.8]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id XZUl1j0030ASqTN01ZUlY5; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:28:45 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=DNMNElxb c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BvfvLORM2Y64gyoxQMAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=8amoANLqcXHyoDJd6jbCBw==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.8 X-EN-IMPSID: XZUl1j0030ASqTN01ZUlY5 Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196] helo=triumph) by authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1SncYX-0000lE-3A; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:28:45 -0400 Message-ID: <908059567B164FF5A0C415C31A579176@triumph> From: "Greg Gelhar" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net>, References: <8CF2A848206359B-21D8-38789@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:28:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-EN-UserInfo: e42cf78691180d9d9fd0715a4121692b:575ebd0ae47b8b6522b84cd16b3b758d X-EN-AuthUser: greg@gelhar.com X-EN-OrigIP: 69.180.140.196 X-EN-OrigHost: c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] Horn issues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have found the fuse holder to be the problem. A corroded fuse clip will add sufficient resistance to keep the horns from working. Resistance will make for a hot connection and that may have "melted" your fuse. Greg G. Osseo, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: [TR] Horn issues >I am trying to troubleshoot weak or no sound from the horns on my very >stock > 1976 TR6. My shop manual describes an adjustment procedure, but I don't > believe that adjustment is my problem (and as usual, my horns don't have > the > described adjustment screw). I am getting approximately 6 volts at the > horn > connection. I suspect that I have some corrosion issue or a failing > relay, > but before I contine to scuttle downj useless paths, I wanted to determine > if > 6v was the proper voltage at the horns. As I continued to press and > release > the horn button, I got more response from the horns as if something was > gradually releasing, but then blew the fuse. I looked in the archives, > but > did not find this specific information. If someone has experience in this > area, I would appreciate it. > Regards, > David Gill > 1976 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 15:44:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EB52D0D7C for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:44:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8A82D0905 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:26:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=pCnyDUNzil1cRH2rZzcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B5/C1-28917-F1AA8FF4; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 21:29:03 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: <05e101cd5c87$881e7450$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1chaYOmmpZc/QMRSutERMmh2p12AAAUXag Subject: Re: [TR] vacuum advance thumbscrew X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > range................then I simply turn thumbscrew half a turn advance > direction and I'm all set for start-up? Nope. I forget the exact number offhand (although I've posted it before), but it takes more than one turn to get even 4 degrees of advance. Look at the marks on the advance unit instead, they are 4 (crankshaft) degrees apart. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 16:02:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30642D0C3E for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:02:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3627C2D0BF9 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:38:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=aXQkEyYH9s0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=jUDl8UMGtVeYvl6ieOoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 30/80-29356-EDCA8FF4; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 21:40:47 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Gillis'" , References: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:40:46 -0700 Message-ID: <05f101cd5c89$2b479980$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AQHNXHORBnv4Yok5C0iUc0JckMPTk5ceVl1w Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > and driving at > 2000rpm around 40mph I have 50psi, how do these figures seem > for a rebuilt > engine? I hate to say this, knowing how much effort you have put into your TR2, but I am going to anyway. Those numbers seem somewhat low to me, for a freshly rebuilt engine. Not low enough to require immediate action, but low enough to indicate that something is not as it should be. Those are about the numbers I see with my TR3, and I know it has significantly worn main and cam bearings. (They were lower before I replaced the rod bearings, which were worn into the copper backing. My plan is to drive it for a few years, until I can rebuild a spare engine for it.) The very first thing I would check is the accuracy of the gauge. It's not at all uncommon for them to lose accuracy over the years. Just curious, are you still running the original bypass type oil filter? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 16:03:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E772D0C80 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:03:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.117]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 527262D0C1A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 21:44:54 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 21:44:54 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 21:44:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2012 21:44:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 769962.79989.bm@omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85215 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2012 21:44:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=1OWJuTjEigIcLRHewuS+ojUJEQAF5d53IuilOxR9rMgoEhf0xPftSbzmzNklva34GgMzIyqiULdm5+QH1tSL49eSEQEOBqkpCoRmgVdLxOa1+wMKXerk5ZnBI8OI5SR1dsjp1k2KWcApHATjZwzh7rPhYZD2EgMlnbFnSHI587U= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1341697494; bh=CkBYsdlZFYbmzJN9xkrDkFl59Ulmm2LDU0/ScraGOKg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=QWveR4Kmg3anwqV9d3YhBPf22RdDkAEySHIYHk2NGjiI6OLQS+/MaCSu7GmbmmtKhIlmuJi4jGjZ0L0tB8j4RhHJ3x4tfRE9uVd8JRyoD76l7CqWrkO7lWq2lUilZiupPfFAxN0H1PBHU0/NLTx8LBZZi0rlOpE1102Dzuio4RU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: fzBXyx0VM1mwAlyrrzU4xtylxr2IkWrWxV.eW8ftv7SRUWk G7sFHtWJi4RSUlXq23cpHUTsBNZzuVAHeyuK5181ZnlxOXCKDgYRiabip6mv ZKFaRCWtqA8gfEN6GZory4HvW_xY_4AEBdPGRd3AcmCeA4pU6q8E1qG7hYjH 2uiJX.gXks4.0zExz9aWQV86wdnlsH3F69zR_IgjZI94.W3yk_pzG.4gC3vo pEJavkTiWAGs4Y_QkOODgs.MVD39SVbIQEBsJhNeVwxhRRmZuhslCFn4cWEv AJTQ5_DvsZSwvEjJ71PnMNwBP.WrT5lMHIQMKM_LpQ5osCra0nNt9Bou6Men hwZ.y15qRT5eG8n81Jb8x6kkVurK2CHI_tBrqaWrFF_1KPECBdOWWtTZE1xY MjrTMCms14JsxUwU4rJkzHEASplrQdwji8atjElNziRAGo94uHEirxL3GcjU 7_rXxuAL6TK31NPEKHWTCljOnm1m6q9QUkMS62o_IC4UWYHRFSek- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jul 2012 14:44:54 -0700 PDT From: "WBEECH" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:44:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2B15D046840E447882DAB6BCC43B55AE@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1cha5mlLz70DjSRp+LSfOgLFLPdgAAuU7g In-Reply-To: <1341694030.42237.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] vacuum advance thumbscrew X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Honestly I don't use the thumbscrew, I just set up a light and get as close to 4 degrees BTDC as I can. This will get it started just fine then you put a timing light on it and fine tune with the thumbscrew from there. The manual says that one mark on the wheel adjustment gauge is 4 degrees, doesn't say how many turns it takes to get there. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Nafziger Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:47 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] vacuum advance thumbscrew I've read some place that a complete 360 turn on the distributor vacuum advance thumbscrew (tr-3 motor) equals 8 degrees of either advance or retard, whichever is needed. If I've set up everything TDC compression stroke, pointer on hole in pulley.................(thumbscrew set in middle of its range................then I simply turn thumbscrew half a turn advance direction and I'm all set for start-up? Just checking to be sure. Getting ready for initial start up here. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 16:21:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5D82D0C1A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:21:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8601A2D0C27 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:50:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: "G.D. Huggins" In-Reply-To: <8F15AEF6-FBCB-44E8-AED7-0BFA49C98A3B@consolidated.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: References: <8F15AEF6-FBCB-44E8-AED7-0BFA49C98A3B@consolidated.net> To: Home Consolidated X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Congrats John. I just got a restored 1965 TR4A back on the road last September, here in Fort Worth, Texas. Your oil pressure settings look close to mine, maybe even a little higher. I played with mixture/timing for about six months before I reached a "good enough" abandonment point. Enjoy!! On Jul 7, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Home Consolidated wrote: > Congrats. It's a great feeling > > Ken Gano > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 2:06 PM, John Gillis wrote: > >> On a very sunny (honest) day in Dublin, took the TR2 on the public roads > for >> the first time in probably 40 years for the car and nearing the end of my > 15 >> year project, driving about 30 miles. It drove without knocks or bangs, > slight >> adjustment to the mixture and timing improved running, it does have an odd >> wobble at the front around 20mph, but nothing either side. My question is: >> when fully warmed up and I must say the temperature gauge sits bang in the >> middle throughout, at tick-over I have on the oil gauge 25psi and driving > at >> 2000rpm around 40mph I have 50psi, how do these figures seem for a rebuilt >> engine? >> I still have a stupid grin on my face! >> >> John >> 1954 TR2 Long Door >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs@consolidated.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 16:34:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE012D0929 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:34:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6363C2D0B22 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:13:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZuBv2qHG c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=aXQkEyYH9s0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ZD0XfRf14g_CsS9P2eUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:58894] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/70-21135-225B8FF4; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:16:02 +0000 Message-ID: <55AFE0534DCC48C1A24020AA34066EE6@GregPC> From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Randall" , "'John Gillis'" , References: <05f101cd5c89$2b479980$0601a8c0@randall> In-Reply-To: <05f101cd5c89$2b479980$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will follow up Randall's comment with a couple questions, what weight of oil are you running? was it hot outside? car fully warmed up. I don't think the numbers sound bad, 2000 rpm is still spinning pretty slow, if it stills goes up to about 60 psi or a little more at 2500 to 3000 that would be in the ballpark. My brother's TR3 and my TR4a both ran about 60 psi hot on a fresh rebuild at highway speeds (2500 rpm or a little more in O/D). So I don't disagree with Randall, it may be slightly low, but doesn't seem too far off to me. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 7 22:44:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64832D0B6C for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:44:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED8B2D01C2 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so7926878yhr.14 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=K/KU4GIeaQ4mJ1IFOf/0KC9WR8ZWnJufneNn6U2/v3Y=; b=UfQBWBlqdKMrR7CbnZwJlANsnpY90bVXS3HjKEjwzIVC5NlBH5+Km3Z6nsTeUA2NXa 8tKxrj9GWSG2iPR2CV7grt06VZjt5XSNORQMjabYzvJV2OrRn6rXFCHt+g9WhTT+cJHI xF1Cr9UsGh55ovQJImHRwvC2t0k50izXP3oooEUKVJLChIaOKf0NMT00vfxvFBlLATtF HJ2P3+zOOjkJm60kBblO9QaY9gDRAiAk8BcIzBUNdbRzoHGFTIPvyCZ2O95KSIfamCyn 1wknYKa4LNPgaxHF88yTeLMyK2vINlHrxyuKYO4TRMGRcOCE+4vyomnxGP5VQQVWPtjV rsHA== Received: by 10.68.194.169 with SMTP id hx9mr8603054pbc.8.1341333657942; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.27.35.50] (cpe-76-87-3-200.socal.res.rr.com. [76.87.3.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wf7sm15867003pbc.34.2012.07.03.09.40.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: HANS DEFERRANTE Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:40:50 -0700 Message-Id: To: Triumph List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:38:30 -0600 Subject: [TR] Got Me a Spit X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After having driven someone's Spit, I decided I had to have one and picked up a 1976 fixer-upper; mechanically sound, very little rust, but in dire need of a facelift Has anyone considered putting EFI in those 1500's to get more HP? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 01:19:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9E52D0BD6 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 01:19:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2532D0BC9 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120708070120.OVVZ24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210.cox.net>; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 03:01:20 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id Xj1K1j0074zsG5S03j1KG7; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 03:01:20 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FF93040.0052,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7Zt5ryvsYlNLbCizh4c9Khyyr9qFMfq7Dipwv/4+Lic= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:17 a=XFmrohW2AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=5Mpp-8neU3op6Kp30U4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=S51aAzXP7NAA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=1IY7wJxD-RAA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=AgGiVAA4hIiwdcpn:21 a=5LAmMActvrh03kUV:21 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'HANS DEFERRANTE'" , "'Triumph List'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:01:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1cxMtu2zMJ3KFVRj2uUnJMRPpFHAAEofhQ Subject: Re: [TR] Got Me a Spit X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have EFI on my Mk1 with a 1300 engine. No reason the same system won't work on a 1500. http://spitlist.info/EFI.htm Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of HANS DEFERRANTE Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:41 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Got Me a Spit After having driven someone's Spit, I decided I had to have one and picked up a 1976 fixer-upper; mechanically sound, very little rust, but in dire need of a facelift Has anyone considered putting EFI in those 1500's to get more HP? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 08:40:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793A72D08ED for ; 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Sun, 08 Jul 2012 07:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 07:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] single post test X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just checking to see if I get individual posts through the list. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 09:41:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743842D08E7 for ; 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Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:20:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00eb01cd5c82$f0be4e40$d23aeac0$@net> References: <00eb01cd5c82$f0be4e40$d23aeac0$@net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:20:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Ken Nachman Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ken, What type of speakers did you buy, where did you mount them and how did you mount them? Currently I have no sound system in the car. Where did you mount the amplifier? You're using it the way I envision using one if I decide to go that route. I don't care to install a radio/stereo partly because I don't want to hassle with an antenna and also because my radio plate has to cigarette lighter outlets in it. Also where do you put your iphone while driving? Thanks! Brad On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ken Nachman wrote: > Brad - I recently installed this exact unit from Woody's into my '69 TR6. I > removed a "modern" CD player the previous owner had installed. I bought a > new uncut dash support and put a period radio that is not connected (but I > guess I could have used a blanking plate). It looks great and I play my iPod > through my 4 speakers. Sounds good and I can even hear it with the top down. > I control the volume on my iPhone. > Ken Nachman > Richmond Triumph Register > 1969 TR6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler [mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:14 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo > > Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any pros > or cons. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=360471498641#ht_8 > 32wt_1163 > > Here is the description from the auction: > > This 5 1/4 by 3 1/4 by 1 1/2 inch compact yet powerful unit can be hidden > most anywhere and all functions are controlled directly from your audio > device Maintains your cars original stock interior appearance. > > 50 Watts per channel, four channels (4 speaker outputs). > Plays through your existing 4 ohm speakers. Plenty of power for most > speakers. > Includes power cord and speaker connections. > 3.5 input for iPod/iPhone/ MP3 player (Cell phones, Microsoft Zune, SanDisk > Sansa, & Creative Zen) It's like a mini CD changer with way more songs then > any CD changer could hold. > BONUS 3.5 to 3.5 input cable is included. (sd card, usb stick, mp3 player, > ipod, iphone NOT INCLUDED) 20% the size and 1/3 the cost of other hidden or > "Secret Audio" systems. > Why pay for more then you need? > Includes Woody's Exclusive installation and operation instructions. > Large print and in English! > Will work in 6 volt vehicles and positive ground vehicles with optional > converter ($59) Requires 4 ohm speakers, original (old) speakers may not > sound good. > Upgraded speakers are available (6.5, 5X7, 6X9, & 4X10 dual voice coil or > 5.25, 5 inch, 3.5, 4 inch speaker pairs) > 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty > > Thanks, > > Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 09:43:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379012C0D42 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:43:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E380C2D08C0 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so21527633pbb.14 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:24:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CIVuqmeMW5vN7wNEA6v3MKOYW/yfmuXMTAGd17a6M88=; b=umINjDWCQI9kTYFhGG92abVeP+2cSqlc2u4zWepEuC2zPVV8J/Fc79whxGE8npZgN9 O3sPRL8eWnZ8rQKHlxcE11g+QynCR20zW0fHvNN4IucYbVHuIFJ4xCcHMgEX6bFYsQwi naH0oGvmuLpma7h+2cf3v0DgQGzHsGOI+jcwGBsek3gs2QPmlez1BQkpBgix3Kk1p9ho XLWAIRgTrJKDbUmbK2XpsPtSM/odguiT/6BaIESTUb6DC9B714Ufnb7RiXIchXdQrmr/ pSSFgl1PWwdZts96ZoqduSjEgxCF0NpMbsd3IjXoKelMS1e9Na5msEdJapAwZoCB8oBX UEag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.73.133 with SMTP id l5mr59143179pav.74.1341761093535; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:24:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs , Randall X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, I guess I use the term "stereo" generically for anything that would be a sound system in a car :) Kinda like how people use the terms skilsaw instead of circular saw, crescent wrench instead of adjustable wrench. In my spitfire I had a remote on the end of a wire and I just tucked it down between the seat the the tunnel to keep it from flopping around. Having been in a roll over accedent a few years ago I'm not thrilled with anything being loose inside the car. The unit you listed from Amazon is interesting but I don't think I have room enough for speakers for it :) Also I don't know if it would work from the speaker output of an iphone. Brad > Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any > pros or cons. I have not. For one thing, that is not a "stereo", just an amplifier. It has to be wired to some sort of player to function. Possibly you aren't worried about having a device on the end of a wire roaming around loose inside the cockpit, but I am very opposed to such things. Other than that, I guess the concept and price is reasonable. However, I'd want to ask some pointed questions about what, exactly, that "50 watt" rating means. If that is 50 watts RMS 20Hz to 20kHz continuous with THD below 0.1%; wonderful. But if it is only 50 watts "peak", I think you'll be unhappy. Just saying "50 watts" is kind of like "fresh frozen fish", it doesn't mean a thing. Unless you really want 4 channels, you might shop around for a 2-channel amp. Some very brief poking around turned up a 700 watt x 2 Pyle for $60 (including shipping) @ Amazon. Larger footprint, but about the same thickness (should fit nicely above the gas tank). http://goo.gl/KTSqx Another thing to consider is where that power is coming from. A stock TR4 generator only puts out about 250 watts, and most of that is needed for the engine, headlights, etc. Since audio amps are rarely more than 50%-60% efficient, a real 50x4 output is going to require something on the order of 400 watts input power (like 30 amps). If you are serious about playing music loud enough to be heard over the wind noise, you'll need an alternator conversion. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 10:14:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FAD2D08C1 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:14:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89962D07DF for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so7080503qcs.14 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gEz3DOIQge3SwTAwASSQqhIsJV4eKivHrt4SniHVops=; b=bgIyKIEJnIzBiXnRUQwzn9BYGAa6Af8eWQSA+xh7hOVa8gYtrKku6PmCG6ZAN36v1Y bimSN730GRN5kJSSXwBkCUEum0MSH96HHmpxdNw9GETUd4Xp3LVjqZv21Ik93UviJPUZ d+E+onQfza0xFHK8Y4GOM/jC5EAqhYCt4L6sxlsovqaa1f8b9KKmlJavuM+aKce+f3W1 /6/l9vw/yvGpu1CwVdmxcsura97P1tN6CL8v8AICmLdJKj2N0/CsdUSG7/Fon5JVG85z xvwjLf7Fzr5ya9yj79vG9eWJPsYZc4TT2nXw3+oqmURI2n/4S8GNnJ08+eu4vloOBVEc nUhA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.204.131 with SMTP id fm3mr26004220qab.75.1341762854331; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.93.18 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:54:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rIxcfH8AWi_QZoArEy1Jl7qKVs0 Message-ID: From: Irv Korey To: Brad Kahler X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] single post test X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Just checking to see if I get individual posts through the list. > It seems to be working, Brad. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 10:15:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22062D0897 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:15:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B5A2D0865 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:55:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JSwbkDZ-Mdy6qzt6LFkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=q8Hl2LIuTJ6-llw1:21 a=sesaMXio86SrKaCO:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B2/AE-29356-9FDA9FF4; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:57:46 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Brad Kahler'" , References: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:57:45 -0700 Message-ID: <06b401cd5d22$6a9010b0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1dHdJ24v+YB6m8SVqGwL7Qqtu+mwAAPgfQ Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I guess I use the term "stereo" generically for anything that > would be a sound system in a car :) No worries, Brad, I wasn't trying to quibble about the word; just wanted to be sure you understood what it was. If it suits you, then that's fine. I'm coming up on more or less the same decision myself; but leaning towards what I did before, which was to mount a CD-MP3 player in place of the glovebox. Opening the glovebox door would provide full access to the front panel, but generally I could just reach up behind the dash and do what I wanted. Not at all obvious it was there (so less concern about theft). Since it had AM/FM/XM (although I never used the XM), I could tune into local weather or news. These days I suppose everyone does that with their phone, but I don't (and I do occasionally travel where there is no cell coverage). But I mostly enjoy listening to audio books, especially on long trips. It's easy and cheap to burn them to CD in MP3 format (generally I get 3 books on a $.10 CD) and then if the CD gets damaged, lost or stolen; I just burn another one. I didn't check the specs on the Pyle, but pretty much anything like that should operate from your headphone output. And of course you don't have to run at 700 watts (or have speakers that will handle it) if you don't want to. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 10:15:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849E32D08CC for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:15:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from stevethorntonlaw.com (mail.stevethorntonlaw.com [74.247.137.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1162D0865 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:56:40 -0600 (MDT) X-PMWin-Version: 3.1.0.0, Antivirus-Engine: 3.33.2, Antivirus-Data: 4.79G Received: from 192.168.1.100 ([192.168.1.100]) by SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local ([192.168.1.100]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:58:51 +0000 References: <00eb01cd5c82$f0be4e40$d23aeac0$@net> From: "Steve Thornton" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5E807E88-068F-46AD-BF00-13C199EA7E93@stevethorntonlaw.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:58:48 -0500 To: "Brad Kahler" Thread-Topic: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo Thread-Index: Ac1dIpFzMp98hnUZRZqQYW2xmfvYCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Triumphs , Ken Nachman Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad et al- My questions exactly. Also, when the iPhone is playing music through this system, is it charging the iPhone battery, or discharging? Thanks in advance. Steven O. Thornton Attorney at Law 1011 Lehman Avenue Suite 102 Bowling Green, KY. 42103 270-781-6630 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Brad Kahler" wrote: > Ken, > > What type of speakers did you buy, where did you mount them and how > did you mount them? Currently I have no sound system in the car. > > Where did you mount the amplifier? You're using it the way I envision > using one if I decide to go that route. I don't care to install a > radio/stereo partly because I don't want to hassle with an antenna and > also because my radio plate has to cigarette lighter outlets in it. > > Also where do you put your iphone while driving? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ken Nachman wrote: >> Brad - I recently installed this exact unit from Woody's into my '69 TR6. I >> removed a "modern" CD player the previous owner had installed. I bought a >> new uncut dash support and put a period radio that is not connected (but I >> guess I could have used a blanking plate). It looks great and I play my iPod >> through my 4 speakers. Sounds good and I can even hear it with the top down. >> I control the volume on my iPhone. >> Ken Nachman >> Richmond Triumph Register >> 1969 TR6 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brad Kahler [mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:14 PM >> To: Triumphs >> Subject: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo >> >> Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any pros >> or cons. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=360471498641#ht_8 >> 32wt_1163 >> >> Here is the description from the auction: >> >> This 5 1/4 by 3 1/4 by 1 1/2 inch compact yet powerful unit can be hidden >> most anywhere and all functions are controlled directly from your audio >> device Maintains your cars original stock interior appearance. >> >> 50 Watts per channel, four channels (4 speaker outputs). >> Plays through your existing 4 ohm speakers. Plenty of power for most >> speakers. >> Includes power cord and speaker connections. >> 3.5 input for iPod/iPhone/ MP3 player (Cell phones, Microsoft Zune, SanDisk >> Sansa, & Creative Zen) It's like a mini CD changer with way more songs then >> any CD changer could hold. >> BONUS 3.5 to 3.5 input cable is included. (sd card, usb stick, mp3 player, >> ipod, iphone NOT INCLUDED) 20% the size and 1/3 the cost of other hidden or >> "Secret Audio" systems. >> Why pay for more then you need? >> Includes Woody's Exclusive installation and operation instructions. >> Large print and in English! >> Will work in 6 volt vehicles and positive ground vehicles with optional >> converter ($59) Requires 4 ohm speakers, original (old) speakers may not >> sound good. >> Upgraded speakers are available (6.5, 5X7, 6X9, & 4X10 dual voice coil or >> 5.25, 5 inch, 3.5, 4 inch speaker pairs) >> 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/sothornton@stevethorntonlaw.co m ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 10:29:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BFD2D0877 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:29:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5C32D08E5 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so21584981pbb.14 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=c06jlJa0KSLUpJATRT+QdE+weyuD8bRjEAJpxm/Kars=; b=OaYw4+2RAHOiMxo/UEamSL/dY0W9Sftioi1WcBFYkcB9psvGBL3ZzdMhtVyA7hc/nq 8wb/7DNuB7utY0jL12N2jfJUycXsMYf38XDiTVy5E4bSy8ohoQh4RoHbuyEDFWSbFHkP aNgjjochbsW0vBX6h1ClXOOt4Qm5KeaQpTdfwvY6N9jCBdZKtfI5cyMdlY9YfnitWUVY 1yPfK3iB2/dVA6nV3J9seGdStAKGPfGxdS2AFbQSbjO3kbj+4EAE4K9J1MLttGtOtUqA sie9RT+PbdGpTN2fQbXoJ417Q4dE6L9Dsv+dzQYDfkx8zbaitw3w3gcdek3n18zmB6gJ CrLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.87.2 with SMTP id t2mr29290594paz.22.1341763691552; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <06b401cd5d22$6a9010b0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <06b401cd5d22$6a9010b0$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the one on amazon does worth from the headphone output it just might be worth it. Personally I don't want to mess around with CDs in the car. I would think you would be better off using a system that accepts thumb drives. They are a lot cheaper now and easy to write to and don't take up near the space that a CD does. You are right about checking weather. I just use my cell phone :) On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Randall wrote: >> I guess I use the term "stereo" generically for anything that >> would be a sound system in a car :) > > No worries, Brad, I wasn't trying to quibble about the word; just wanted to > be sure you understood what it was. If it suits you, then that's fine. > > I'm coming up on more or less the same decision myself; but leaning towards > what I did before, which was to mount a CD-MP3 player in place of the > glovebox. Opening the glovebox door would provide full access to the front > panel, but generally I could just reach up behind the dash and do what I > wanted. Not at all obvious it was there (so less concern about theft). > Since it had AM/FM/XM (although I never used the XM), I could tune into > local weather or news. These days I suppose everyone does that with their > phone, but I don't (and I do occasionally travel where there is no cell > coverage). > > But I mostly enjoy listening to audio books, especially on long trips. It's > easy and cheap to burn them to CD in MP3 format (generally I get 3 books on > a $.10 CD) and then if the CD gets damaged, lost or stolen; I just burn > another one. > > I didn't check the specs on the Pyle, but pretty much anything like that > should operate from your headphone output. And of course you don't have to > run at 700 watts (or have speakers that will handle it) if you don't want > to. > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 10:51:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267572D0849 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:51:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D282D08B6 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so21613643pbb.14 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2rgMND6H4gjcMJQExzzTLSgdlsDex1DPZ9niVH65xpQ=; b=EE4Ip5nPQJwKS8ffzUjboVkhLJCXFdHAKtMVutwS1SZGX3La5y4BhR6Tk9lCEQgjB4 1Q1Er+7dC34EZipqr5GzvpEFRZMjwWQO5fVUkev2td3yGK/hecFpTk2SYmb7bml49dzO 632MQnyzVmpIOr4HImFJl4GLHELSKT93d5kRsaiCS4PNzySYwpD9PzcZjzF//pHYHrLQ KiK/AYTmi/rAFme0QXW7HoIsBDb8pkVJ2uxwzYXQLiTa3SeUK7Q9u6d6wjJLcZnKSAJV UJzs+bUeszgB+sdKTvsKkJezur1HxFPsjvRztUQF4NHTN0IChZWLKW2itc4d9O2nZei5 5FVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.193.195 with SMTP id hq3mr53018834pbc.30.1341764922771; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:28:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 11:34:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B822D087D for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:34:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A06EA2D087D for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2012 17:08:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2012 17:08:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2012 17:08:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 196064.81486.bm@omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 90403 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2012 17:08:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1341767304; bh=fHyetHayopRbPVUrGBgneUkg1nrxwmzphWS5ItEqv+s=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G4E0gfmWYJ1grhDoOoFuThocntNNowyFOfIw6zaSUPA9DFfT5DTER1FegNu6MJwetOAs1mEIdWi2ZOqAUpK4o63NCdSXN1ngRBdJfwIEOYXTa8VHNqE1AHpV7Q7g6cznO0dyz8NSmuTVizhHDMSG2wC63GubkHyDi1rmqge9X/w= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Gz4a2ysVM1kSPFd2Z5tZVHIIIgLK2YoCU_oq1mxObdfHOP2 18mpduATOnSI86UFeeT23nGyz4g6W98Xn4y2aGJ2QJkbWyxy1MWPw4g8lz.c DFxbYrPVXRmeBo8YrqAaaYU1eG26yH.zs.GgYQv3Ymwxc72.iyLhjKJfZDep LKS6IvYW8MrHlzxWL6GHuK7Peuh_PksYjebraojMfB5rvVrGXmsiz4xuL9Sx dIsuft524eBaCShpkeRg8l4pXIhUtewQf7aN5Eg8TY1LWOuumZ2n03q8tAfJ 1kfLXyaHNt9GG7izHPF2yHqdQtlAjznSfefbCSEqqpBGHuFMP8z5vWnhcOO8 EqAVLIUKioCd_bGo95zujcqq1hUcUht3efvu29hNjDcSclrT_BafmVd0ww53 vdFfC9Wai.P6q26JaiDr_p8pCvWbyra6d3FdnkQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: PYcW0q.swBA6AWX4qqt.Obiv1MByZ4cLLWa_f53dXw-- Received: from [192.168.2.2] (hdrider570@75.36.244.181 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jul 2012 10:08:24 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FF9BE84.5080004@att.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 10:08:20 -0700 From: "hdrider570@att.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] First run, big smie and question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The factory manual says that you should have 70 psi when fully warmed up. If you have less than this there is an adjustment on the oil pressure regulator spring. Please note that if you did not replace this spring then you are never going to get the oil pressure right as the old one is worn out though age, heat, and rubbing against the side of the bore it rides in. If you cannot achieve 70 psi with good oil on a "rebuilt" engine then you have other problems such as incorrect bearing clearance, worn oil pump etc. On a good engine it is easy to get over 100 psi at 2,000 rpm though not recommended by anyone including me. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 18:45:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380AA2D0843 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:45:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4FE2D0846 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XuzV1j0081ap0As550MdJV; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:21:37 +0000 Received: from adminPC ([71.62.76.169]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y0Mk1j00W3f9l333i0Mku3; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:21:45 +0000 From: "Ken Nachman" To: "'Brad Kahler'" References: <00eb01cd5c82$f0be4e40$d23aeac0$@net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 20:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01b701cd5d68$cfa98df0$6efca9d0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1dHUGfY6Cou2s/TbaHOLe/Tto5qgASSgig Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad - Lots of questions: 1) I have the speakers mounted in I think they are called the kidney pads under the dash and another pair in the back upholstered panel. When I bought the car it had some hideous white speakers some kid had installed. I replaced them with black generic 6" speakers from eBay. My interior is black so they are pretty much invisable. You should have seen the radio the DPO had installed - it had a purple display that you couldn't turn off -- it gave me a headache! 2) I installed the amp under the heater box above the transmission tunnel behind a stock radio that doesn't work. I have an antenna but have never used it. 3) I have an aftermarket power plug (cigarette lighter) hidden under the dash connected to the accessory position on the ignition switch - remember my car is a '69 model with a plinth mounted ignition switch. I usually use it for the GPS on long(er) trips, but could connect the iPhone charger. 4) usually I put the phone on the passenger seat while driving because it rings and I am a Realtor so I need to answer. My mobile office is often the TR6. Later Ken Nachman '69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler [mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 11:21 AM To: Ken Nachman Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo Ken, What type of speakers did you buy, where did you mount them and how did you mount them? Currently I have no sound system in the car. Where did you mount the amplifier? You're using it the way I envision using one if I decide to go that route. I don't care to install a radio/stereo partly because I don't want to hassle with an antenna and also because my radio plate has to cigarette lighter outlets in it. Also where do you put your iphone while driving? Thanks! Brad On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ken Nachman wrote: > Brad - I recently installed this exact unit from Woody's into my '69 > TR6. I removed a "modern" CD player the previous owner had installed. > I bought a new uncut dash support and put a period radio that is not > connected (but I guess I could have used a blanking plate). It looks > great and I play my iPod through my 4 speakers. Sounds good and I can even hear it with the top down. > I control the volume on my iPhone. > Ken Nachman > Richmond Triumph Register > 1969 TR6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler [mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:14 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo > > Anyone out there ever use a stereo like this for their car? If so any > pros or cons. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=36047149864 > 1#ht_8 > 32wt_1163 > > Here is the description from the auction: > > This 5 1/4 by 3 1/4 by 1 1/2 inch compact yet powerful unit can be > hidden most anywhere and all functions are controlled directly from > your audio device Maintains your cars original stock interior appearance. > > 50 Watts per channel, four channels (4 speaker outputs). > Plays through your existing 4 ohm speakers. Plenty of power for most > speakers. > Includes power cord and speaker connections. > 3.5 input for iPod/iPhone/ MP3 player (Cell phones, Microsoft Zune, > SanDisk Sansa, & Creative Zen) It's like a mini CD changer with way > more songs then any CD changer could hold. > BONUS 3.5 to 3.5 input cable is included. (sd card, usb stick, mp3 > player, ipod, iphone NOT INCLUDED) 20% the size and 1/3 the cost of > other hidden or "Secret Audio" systems. > Why pay for more then you need? > Includes Woody's Exclusive installation and operation instructions. > Large print and in English! > Will work in 6 volt vehicles and positive ground vehicles with > optional converter ($59) Requires 4 ohm speakers, original (old) > speakers may not sound good. > Upgraded speakers are available (6.5, 5X7, 6X9, & 4X10 dual voice coil > or 5.25, 5 inch, 3.5, 4 inch speaker pairs) > 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty > > Thanks, > > Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 19:17:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49F72D0784 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 19:17:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7822D07C6 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y0oH1j0051u4NiLA10peJf; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:49:38 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y0pe1j00P3uShJ48h0peDD; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:49:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:49:38 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: mntriumphsgroup@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <10906438.2032335.1341794978147.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1339589393.63765.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.180.154.189] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, british-cars@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Virus check - no joke X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Virus check - no joke In case you have been living in a cave, there is a big one hitting tomorrow http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911 http://dcwg.org/ http://dcwg.org/detect/ http://www.dcwg.org/fix/ http://forums.comcast.com/t5/Security-and-Anti-Virus/DNS-Changer-Bot-FAQ/td-p/1215341 If you don't believe me, find the FBI site on your own and check it out Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 20:02:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BD72D07DE for ; 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The e-mail address I have for you isn't working. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 20:21:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58E72D0846 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 20:21:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032962D082B; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 19:53:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=cnbS2OrtjWcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=v7QoMFLdHaBLQGiOrzIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2A/55-17657-53A3AFF4; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:56:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <1339589393.63765.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <10906438.2032335.1341794978147.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:56:04 -0700 Message-ID: <078401cd5d76$006d0040$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <10906438.2032335.1341794978147.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac1dcQ1VEY7rkKrxScWWggn5w1NBsQAA+aVw Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, british-cars@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Virus check - no joke X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > In case you have been living in a cave, there is a big one > hitting tomorrow Not to be too picky, but it "hit" 6 months ago. If you have been infected, your passwords and whatnot are long gone. All that happens tomorrow is that, if you are still infected, your internet access stops working. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 22:45:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5B02D0811 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:45:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C1D2D083E; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M6V00LZZLF9FOQA@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:21:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <0125D0E38B44431DA6D286F6A2E62F36@dragonlairii> From: "ptegler" To: "Randall" , , References: <1339589393.63765.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <10906438.2032335.1341794978147.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <078401cd5d76$006d0040$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:21:26 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, british-cars@autox.team.net, spitfirecars@comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] Virus check - no joke X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptegler List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...not quite all correct...close though. All that is happening is the FBI is finally shutting down bogus DNS servers out there. A DNS server convert the names you type into numbers for routing. They have let many (100's?) of bogus DNS servers continue to run for well over a year+ now to track down the people that perpetrated them, as well as prepare to clean and correct the mis-directed traffic. All these servers have been doing is directing to you to sites that basically gave them click-through advertisement $$ pay-outs for routing traffic to particular sites. Once there they routed you to where it was you 'thought' you were going the first time you clicked on a link. Yes, a couple were man-in-the-middle acts that did collect your passwords, but many of those were shut-down months ago. Some say the whole NET will collapse, some say it's just another Y2K event. Worst case. you'll have to wait for the correct(real) DNS servers to re-propagate valid paths. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Virus check - no joke >> In case you have been living in a cave, there is a big one >> hitting tomorrow > > Not to be too picky, but it "hit" 6 months ago. If you have been > infected, > your passwords and whatnot are long gone. All that happens tomorrow is > that, if you are still infected, your internet access stops working. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 8 22:48:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93532D081A for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:48:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DA02D0411 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y4P71j0061GXsucAC4QPXT; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 04:24:23 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y4QN1j00S3uShJ48U4QNe2; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 04:24:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:24:22 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Randall Message-ID: <1445774376.2037593.1341807862864.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <078401cd5d76$006d0040$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.180.154.189] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, british-cars@autox.team.net, mntriumphsgroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TR] Virus check - no joke X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > All that happens tomorrow is > that, if you are still infected, your internet access stops working. Yeah. That's ALL. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 09:57:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B7F2D033E for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:57:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EBE2D036B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:36:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5210A585B5A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> From: "davewillner" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:38:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: 5210A585B5A.A66C4 X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1342712309.0643@At+g4txDah162H6fnkbaxw X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just purchased a nice old radiomobile along with one of the original style mounting kits for the radio and speaker that mounts on the tunnel. Does anyone have a source or know where I can find a nice period 6x9 speaker grill, either black or chrome, that would look appropriate? Thanks for the help Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 09:58:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3BD2D033E for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:58:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E633F2C0D15 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13556.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.190.253] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SoG8W-0005yE-33 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:44:48 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: After rebuilding my carbs (again) and getting them back on the car, I was advised to fit an in-line gas filter. I have sourced a generic nylon bodied see through type with what appears to be a paper filter inside. Was also advised to fit this in-line before the fuel pump to prevent damage to the fuel pump valves. I was going to install it before the carbs on a convenient stretch of the metal gas line. Any comments on installing the filter before the fuel pump? Should I install another before the pump as well? Interested in others' experiences. Thanks for any advice on this one. 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[174.26.40.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wf7sm28083566pbc.34.2012.07.09.10.30.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FFB1529.8060801@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:30:17 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> In-Reply-To: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/9/12 8:38 AM, davewillner wrote: > Just purchased a nice old radiomobile along with one of the original style > mounting kits for the radio and speaker that mounts on the tunnel. Does anyone > have a source or know where I can find a nice period 6x9 speaker grill, either > black or chrome, that would look appropriate? Thanks for the help > Congratulations on the find! I do not know where you could purchase a grill, but if you need them I do have the instructions, both operating and installation on line. The includes the location of the areal hole. http://www.tr3a.info/radiomobile.htm TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 12:03:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481172D0168 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:03:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8FF2D035F for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=S+JbMfQP c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=55RizW-g6u8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=m1nZ6VGo5ThZTUcCMMsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:2327] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 3D/15-00747-F671BFF4; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:40:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:39:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0b1901cd5df9$da991dc0$8fcb5940$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1d7BiZQGsHkuPTTg+1KKTRkBFXRAADTRpw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Any comments on installing the filter before the fuel pump? I'm sure opinions will vary, but I've heard that running a paper element filter before the pump can aggravate any tendency towards vapor lock as the resistance of the filter lowers the pressure slightly. Likely not enough to worry about, but I've never seen a car with that configuration as original, so perhaps there is something to it. Anyway, after years of running with just the factory sediment bowl and screen, I finally added a paper element filter at the carbs. No more "sand" in the bottom of the float bowls. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 12:39:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80562D034B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:39:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919162D0168 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 74B00585B66; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6E02C9D7420A4678A6B38CC5CFAA2465@valued9cfc0b6f> From: "davewillner" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , References: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> <4FFB1529.8060801@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:06:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: 74B00585B66.AFFAA X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1342721217.01097@Uw/6Y3j28FLniBBpsb1cCw Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I grabbed the pdf awhile ago, thanks...I like this unit because it is wired for an iPod or MP3 player. And I think that either an early Midget or Sprite grill may fit perfectly, the Sprite's is chrome and Moss carries it, a bit expensive but looks pretty nice. I think the Midget's maybe have been painted black, or maybe was just a later style I stumbled upon...funny how much you can spend on an AM radio today when all is said and done... Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill > On 7/9/12 8:38 AM, davewillner wrote: >> Just purchased a nice old radiomobile along with one of the original >> style >> mounting kits for the radio and speaker that mounts on the tunnel. Does >> anyone >> have a source or know where I can find a nice period 6x9 speaker grill, >> either >> black or chrome, that would look appropriate? Thanks for the help >> > Congratulations on the find! > > I do not know where you could purchase a grill, but if you need them I do > have the instructions, both operating and installation on line. The > includes the location of the areal hole. > > http://www.tr3a.info/radiomobile.htm > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davewillner@pa.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 12:40:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E952D034B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:40:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0C42D028D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alexpc (adsl-98-70-131-110.gnv.bellsouth.net[98.70.131.110]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20120709181759H04008mpnue>; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:18:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.70.131.110] Message-ID: <68CB887FD5DA48ACAE995DE5F092AD61@AlexPC> From: "Alex" To: "*Triumphs List" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:17:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3 radiomobile speaker grill X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Dave, > > I have this mounted in my TR3A. > > A perfect grill that I used came out of my 69 Austin Healey Sprite before > it went to the graveyard years ago. It is square, chrome and covers the > hole nicely and looks great. It was available from Moss a few years > ago....might want to check. > > Alex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "davewillner" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:38 AM > Subject: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill > > >> Just purchased a nice old radiomobile along with one of the original >> style >> mounting kits for the radio and speaker that mounts on the tunnel. Does >> anyone >> have a source or know where I can find a nice period 6x9 speaker grill, >> either >> black or chrome, that would look appropriate? Thanks for the help >> >> Dave Willner >> Stroudsburg PA >> 59 TR3A >> 70 MGB >> 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 13:37:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B422D0331 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:37:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 868A32D0286 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:17:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:17:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 22054.19985.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 69067 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2012 19:17:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=YaOg1PJDV1YMD403VhLlFkkbz2WwUFVBpVgG6c+MFKswUksSK4/cBxlaaULea2D+KoeLev1mDrcgSj4+sLWdi7LeJG2GQQPhp4MB8w4UnfmVXTvBrg+OSMVjoCrQqL7JzwFQkU5E90z2KDNmk7t6Yw16vl7CxXyEWUH0D0cjbgw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1341861438; bh=YQB0ad4qlpSIBI0COgGuFj10mhcuVgVkH1UlB+4lOug=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ATa6atRn36jaI2G6j5gIkZw4Ki8o8gffRb3NutEOpWdfG0XgNFKv/jY0EsK5IPyD4kO3FHOtfdMYeSMwl+Pdg6Eb2ifEp9Z5Tv2HjVKMBlTo5jztRET+swyQBBZEy3beEv78a5eQxOGs5IbIBwWSiZWahUpPl9zpT6aCHrydgRg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: r3TrE.UVM1nGik73HuGBUABCz4kKWmohP.saV1BUB9p7Gvy 9yAZ55rEuAk8suBrGf59tKPYzh5U9gPb9icBJ5pDA_pF6Owhh90A41Kvrwle F_uU8wTgXYIocaBWWIfFsvXlv3Gsjk7D_wztzPLQkPLz8EIywrOymYAEFYl. sPpil_uJCDfNi7BYMyWFmUsqYEp6Ax5MFq2NYmP.ov0ogcFDkAhJu9KLSbJ. xUWJz3Ot1FiKMTTP5as5aOtgmEU5mnA4jmOmjDntByYAsnTbPkMbljYiC5ws VqgI4H6XbmCijRczWuRaTeWUu8LtIjfLQmUEblhD723aMqryQ2yoSsrUGtLp QQNnRVFWjDaNgRyVjvCV6BAz.k08PL4etQxoqwKE6TCME6zj0NKHbRyrMzya .3jkyIVTWQkoeNRVFxjT.kcMJu5xyq_vjcjXzj6DQIOnqqgAdjf8OlNWLuaC MhdJsS4KQWC1i34Mp4tauvmIgDxokc95_ X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from [192.168.1.103] (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jul 2012 12:17:18 -0700 PDT References: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <5A4D82F5-4C68-494D-BC2D-1B5C1DC96418@flash.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Wbeech Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:17:55 -0500 To: Angelo Graham Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Electric pump, put it before. OEM pump can go after. For $10 i got nice glass inline filter with a replaceable element. It's nice to be able to see the fuel and the crud. Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > After rebuilding my carbs (again) and getting them back on the car, I was advised to fit an in-line gas filter. I have sourced a generic nylon bodied see through type with what appears to be a paper filter inside. Was also advised to fit this in-line before the fuel pump to prevent damage to the fuel pump valves. I was going to install it before the carbs on a convenient stretch of the metal gas line. > Any comments on installing the filter before the fuel pump? Should I install another before the pump as well? > Interested in others' experiences. > Thanks for any advice on this one. > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 13:38:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CAB2D033D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:38:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 70CFD2D0347 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:21:49 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:21:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2012 19:21:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 524189.30667.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14137 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2012 19:21:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1341861709; bh=VBxACOrOhHKTdDgj5cqjKijS6gI23QmKiT7qM4ba+u4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0KIAmGuZlxHhOj9Cp/aYpvat6XKaSF9vgqnWgJMVN9ycque8pTqe0ugIZaZ3KYDE0PU24Phgle0XPN5QGWqnHtWAgFAdP+spqUQo4sAjBcHuAsd82prMSXiAjU3lLGe0QI73CX/rcq7OqzFW+HLldBT9bkDrEBqOG12BlXLRLwc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JIBLIVO9QLigiBLNnNe2inUFJ9u71ehU5/0IUG7DbItxKUCgPlbza+iGPediBX8SvVoepYy7OvA7H/W4rKh39Q0wu+5dNSgaegr5w1mN5TcvVWKw3i2c1FR8sUP1ZmHj/eeIZOpfYYuHsbfUuHWs7dR/9tK2Zw0J2kYt25p6Lmo=; X-YMail-OSG: b505K5wVM1n.UdukCErUGyO.HPHbkVB4_IBmoBW0qv5DH7n aMPlcXQPv69LSD0E9cKTrJlO0Ij2C7wenOVUhYUrxEEQzDzDxmnQ08s3x1Jj 7pFjOCaK5ME72WXmaDd657EeIYhi5ObGAp7bq2CVyfweRle7PeK45XEjtgVO Gr4iZKqGGF7yUa6uctvnx3APnuCTSTC85cxA2i5PUQVmTs_u2eoi3.68yFG_ ZfVi3Zqx.PCQCYR6BKuvRBCJ4cm9tX5opZdv0ibDyXXJMN7uTdx1CKIyVdU4 P3iu2TjhOPLqULc9cxxs9hexRqDJZZdBKM2lgk8905oGCxQxEL5RD5nkGM3Y j0yNnjm242dQ.2.ZBlZglRpTvwTJluLOA1IHBdyMJBRNqD5Qpw93DCGlisxp Wu3ejLpKVFV1j00MUAtQphw4mprO1OZ5IHwJ8APr. Received: from [94.196.244.75] by web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:21:49 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> Message-ID: <1341861709.12675.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:21:49 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: davewillner , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How long can you wait, Dave? If you know anyone in the Triumph Clubs in your area coming over next Feb/March to Triumph Spares Day or MG Spares Day the following weekend, why not send them with your old grille as a pattern? Stoneleigh where the Spares Days are held is usually awash with old Radiomobile stuff - speakers, kits, knobs, radios, valves, the lot. If you know Bob de Lucia at Delaware Valley Triumphs, they usually have a contingent headed this way. Cheers, Jonmac >Just purchased a nice old radiomobile along with one of the original style >mounting kits for the radio and speaker that mounts on the tunnel. Does anyone >have a source or know where I can find a nice period 6x9 speaker grill, either >black or chrome, that would look appropriate? Thanks for the help > >Dave Willner >Stroudsburg PA >59 TR3A >70 MGB >70 BSA 441 VS > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk > > > From: davewillner To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012, 16:38 Subject: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 13:55:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F672D0349 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:55:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC892D035B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so8861416wgb.20 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:34:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ih8DLTVvCcuUoP53S8JzEkzupo9X02dodSIa4nkaII4=; b=Z5ix3fUPW2c8szjsWX5L25QnKFRZFufeeDOg9/SxW6IulYqdRgc5fOsMJjrK3b0WOG oSS8wLqvlzXtvdqqJqJKSxCbRLgxtK2Rc3eIEQt5AOJ2tiZn5Vry/T0/+CDMAOiifa4f /ZMOk+2TheaCj7VCqAspbeYs5bdYL6liQ1E8qaYwCNeNZDoD1tY91u3jeOEET8y5R3UF qBsEtdwdkw+nZg+hgplyu33fmNVVmqrb10c6E7xWMkIENuZM6FRjtIVCa/9jkivtMqvZ DOaWUWGH9f7Ub3VVCaV1YIQ2QGuW7IeS452f+gWFuqFP2U/YVGvLLKlH3mGu4VUo2Fl+ Eh5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.238.13 with SMTP id z13mr18922weq.4.1341862439774; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:33:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0b1901cd5df9$da991dc0$8fcb5940$@rr.com> References: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> <0b1901cd5df9$da991dc0$8fcb5940$@rr.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: Randall X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I put my filter in the flex line near the gas tank. My rationale was it's a big filter and my motorcycle ran fine with a gravity fed fuel system through an absolutely tiny filter. I have not had issues other than it filling up with rust. Nice thing - it's out of sight. Bad thing - its out of sight so i rarely replace it..... I can believe a pump would cavitate with a really clogged filter installed my way. So far i haven't been inconvenienced by it. ( I now even have a clean and coated tank... ) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 14:09:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28812D038B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpgate.opentext.com (smtpgate.opentext.com [204.138.115.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA492D0332 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlpm01.smtp.dmz.opentext.com (otwlpm01.opentext.com [192.168.15.230]) by wlsvc01.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q69JhBGH007704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:43:11 -0400 Received: from vectorsvc.opentext.com (vectorsvc.opentext.com [10.2.103.129]) by otwlpm01.smtp.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q69Jh9ZH006098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:43:10 -0400 (envelope-from davidt@opentext.com) Received: from otwlxg10.opentext.net (otwlxg10.opentext.net [10.2.103.151]) by vectorsvc.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q69Jh9R7007686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:43:09 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG20.opentext.net ([169.254.2.209]) by otwlxg10.opentext.net ([10.2.103.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:42:41 -0400 From: David Templeton To: Angelo Graham , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] Gas line filter placement. Thread-Index: AQHNXewInb339IFoek26i+sXo3an6JchWZYA Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:42:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFAFC70.9090604@execulink.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.17] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19030.000 x-tm-as-result: No--35.691700-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archived: msg.1uANTfw:2012-07-09:otwlpm01.smtp.dmz.opentext.com Subject: Re: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo I added a glass one with replaceable filter to the '3, I found that under driving it was good, but a little spirited driving actually caused issue. Mind you I did at that time have the OEM pump and the filter was by the tank ( before the pump ) David -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:45 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Gas line filter placement. Hello List: After rebuilding my carbs (again) and getting them back on the car, I was advised to fit an in-line gas filter. I have sourced a generic nylon bodied see through type with what appears to be a paper filter inside. Was also advised to fit this in-line before the fuel pump to prevent damage to the fuel pump valves. I was going to install it before the carbs on a convenient stretch of the metal gas line. Any comments on installing the filter before the fuel pump? Should I install another before the pump as well? Interested in others' experiences. Thanks for any advice on this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davidt@opentext.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 14:09:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E202D039A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:09:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.ctinetworks.com (smtp2.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84082D0331 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BC9E11D213C; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3846A88B42094FE0A9EE8FE81DFDF1B2@valued9cfc0b6f> From: "davewillner" To: "John Macartney" , References: <42D015E8491D47EFBAAAFB232E9BD7E6@valued9cfc0b6f> <1341861709.12675.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:51:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: BC9E11D213C.A1FF9 X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1342727490.85857@MFMRW/s8h3pn61+ZWb5Q7w X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great idea, I know a lot of those guys. I'll look into it....sounds like RadioMobile heaven? Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: John Macartney To: davewillner ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill How long can you wait, Dave? If you know anyone in the Triumph Clubs in your area coming over next Feb/March to Triumph Spares Day or MG Spares Day the following weekend, why not send them with your old grille as a pattern? Stoneleigh where the Spares Days are held is usually awash with old Radiomobile stuff - speakers, kits, knobs, radios, valves, the lot. If you know Bob de Lucia at Delaware Valley Triumphs, they usually have a contingent headed this way. Cheers, Jonmac From: davewillner To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012, 16:38 Subject: [TR] TR3 radiomobile speaker grill Just purchased a nice old radiomobile along with one of the original style mounting kits for the radio and speaker that mounts on the tunnel. Does anyone have a source or know where I can find a nice period 6x9 speaker grill, either black or chrome, that would look appropriate? Thanks for the help Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 9 21:37:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D45E2C0D18 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:37:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1992D03BD for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YSbi1j0041zF43QA1THZE2; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:17:33 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YTHY1j00h3uShJ48kTHYo9; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:17:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:17:32 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Randall Message-ID: <988465723.2083535.1341890252732.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <0b1901cd5df9$da991dc0$8fcb5940$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.180.154.189] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Any comments on installing the filter before the fuel pump? Yes. Do it. Especially if it is an electronic fuel pump like a Facet, Also, mount your Facet as low as possible. Uncle Jack loses prime now and again, so I'm going to check into a lower mounting. Real soon now... > I'm sure opinions will vary, but I've heard that running a paper > element > filter before the pump can aggravate any tendency towards vapor lock > as the > resistance of the filter lowers the pressure slightly. Stuff and nonsense. > Anyway, after years of running with just the factory sediment bowl and > screen, I finally added a paper element filter at the carbs. No more > "sand" > in the bottom of the float bowls. If you find that you are getting junk from the fuel pump, yes. 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X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cosmo Kramer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo Graham wrote: Hello List: After rebuilding my carbs ... Was also advised to fit this in-line before the fuel pump to prevent damage to the fuel pump valves. I was going to install it before the carbs on a convenient stretch of the metal gas line. Any comments on installing the filter before the fuel pump? Should I install another before the pump as well? Interested in others' experiences. Angelo Graham ----------- Hi Angelo & list! Suggestions: Install a gas shut of valve right after the gas tank & another one BEFORE the Manual Fuel Pump (MFP), this way you can back flush the fuel line at a local gas station if need to when on the road in case you did get a bad batch of gas. Then install a fuel filter before the fuel Pump & another before the intake of the carbs. Now, IF the car stops because of a clogged Fuel Filter, then the chances are that the st filter before the MFP is clogged & can be checked btyviewing the 2nd filter to see NO gas inside it. Turn off the 2nd gas shut off valve & change the 1st filter & then drive. later check the 1st filter to see how fast it collects any more sediment. If a lot, then you can back flush the fuel line between the tank & the 1st filter. (Things I've learned to modified through road trip experiences.) -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 10 10:25:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9602D05CB for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:25:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D09A2D046E for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so186467ggm.14 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=b3Ebt5nyCOmgKlQFiooADc6kyRiaoci8F6FeK6m45kA=; b=xp+Pyan+hT8kxZSva2FG/P3ux9bApeFWBp4ogtzLcJzlYZFlwlzVAGWgnm7wgWv2H6 4TR2S+GVsMy7JZPPBC7+ytv/RQA56Kha/upsmZVqHeI0XE4LSlLq9pLyXNQ61Y3zBuxE PqAnxn4NTysM/6k4kFnpHk9LigsFtwOyfw5pntLVPxTdsp6Jtwh3rRFNOgkC3Qh/hMqJ FKNdCvCiG2Vcf+nezEXoPkPATLQGNDBaCCd4vaALg15RBYUKxarQgTPuk8LbXiWz7vB/ nYTd0zafqrh7ddvqusR9GdQr+LYHaJjUCGRD4qF4uBStM8WMbDsAUOFHAQlbJRo5r8jJ TIxg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.189.104 with SMTP id gh8mr25333834pbc.152.1341936441958; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.150.161 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01b701cd5d68$cfa98df0$6efca9d0$@net> References: <00eb01cd5c82$f0be4e40$d23aeac0$@net> <01b701cd5d68$cfa98df0$6efca9d0$@net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:07:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Ken Nachman Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] MP3 / IPOD hidden stereo X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ken, thanks for the info. See comments below: On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Ken Nachman wrote: > Brad - Lots of questions: > 1) I have the speakers mounted in I think they are called the kidney pads > under the dash and another pair in the back upholstered panel. When I bought > the car it had some hideous white speakers some kid had installed. I > replaced them with black generic 6" speakers from eBay. My interior is black > so they are pretty much invisable. You should have seen the radio the DPO > had installed - it had a purple display that you couldn't turn off -- it > gave me a headache! TR4s don't have the kidney pads. I'll likely mount some up in the foot wells. Only problem for me is on the passenger side I have the cruise control module mounted there which sort of limits mounting possibilities. You don't like purple?! Can't say as I blame you :) > 2) I installed the amp under the heater box above the transmission tunnel > behind a stock radio that doesn't work. I have an antenna but have never > used it. That's where I'm considering installing something. At one point I thought about removing the heater all together but as I get older I think having some warmth might not be so bad :) I don't want to install an antenna or deal with a radio which is another reason why an ipad, mp3, etc sounds appealing. > 3) I have an aftermarket power plug (cigarette lighter) hidden under the > dash connected to the accessory position on the ignition switch - remember > my car is a '69 model with a plinth mounted ignition switch. I usually use > it for the GPS on long(er) trips, but could connect the iPhone charger. Here is an interesting gadget that would allow me to leave the iphone in the glove box and eliminate any cords. I plan on having both of my power plugs tied to the ignition acc position as well. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10827&cs_id=1082704&p_id=7364&seq=1&format=3#specification Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 10 16:16:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA192D0507 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:16:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56B002D04EF for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.178] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 21:11:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 794259.19669.bm@omp1061.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56057 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2012 21:10:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341954651; bh=hwrpYdzdEAAz0tGkS7xhuCE5kAdM5yCLiFycRS+PZt0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uxsAO2pKVZKc20LLA24S0tgSRH11PTnJy+MKsMUyhMMZbikVAt4RIG6NNT5wAZ4xqJfO3MhpjSrfhDUlX0yapfFO5tkeZmZw5+s6raTr3NeuLO+ES0kPeVv7u0URUCKoa7wA9SfLffDeeIc6pegWKYYg2cHosjem5pB1sFMU2A8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HcMjjX8nV3I8ULpPBuhKe9FZREtcsYacdFHGSH84PLY5D/1LXiZZ1Q0A4Wc+Rftj8KQg5A32AN379q2Uj/BFyc357dxZOiZd3CGDNFWhbRTJgiLeK6IZ7TD43rJ6BvaKSF51YPMtrowHfpK2DgxZ8o2STeni4lWf/MWfEtF/T8k=; X-YMail-OSG: _bn4.sIVM1lTyBHRCUubI5tfasX20H0Gv4noU6VlSqtuCfZ UFTHevcArPbT5zHInmBJXKcmJE88qXZjEUuWzm9BrIYrZBw1ccN4NB_RB.3S Kx4jfnK4Ub2_Rk0eUg_cI72haKN72qA6Lh1RnT32fy4_dBxMuGaV1WRwx1qY 4Fa1pAEa3iH9HArTPU1cB41RPIa07idA8TR4exjKkrDUXlQ5dXo7eJcsNPTT lYs3npOmACilO61vG458j8m3RzxNI_ljoqS6ClDpcCSXbfb957cDQxGbzsmR GtzNcF1BLQha.hidWKdFYHIeaWBklBoPt3W8Fq8rFK9FZLCiqVW1Hh3.6ymp IWih91d43NN1qTObkrUUZogMQABMt6itRM8Dvoirg9GVcDvnTEz8OHduLtl1 Ru1uyabEUkKiGVZU- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:10:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341954651.15132.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] ignition lock barrel X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just received a new ignition switch for tr-3 and the barrel is separate from the switch. Just wondering how to install the barrel..................shove in? shove in and turn? poke something into little hole in the side of the switch which might release something to allow the barrel to slide in? Just wondering. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 10 19:09:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CB32D061E for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:09:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0442D04E1 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=uZQFabPCrHhDwG-0pscA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:22526] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B1/87-13948-62DBCFF4; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:39:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1341954651.15132.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341954651.15132.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:39:13 -0700 Message-ID: <0c5901cd5ef5$36c71e70$a4555b50$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1e6hMiBUqx46cZRE6Bm29XYeOg+QACuR+A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] ignition lock barrel X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Just wondering how to install the barrel Make sure the switch position matches the barrel, and push it in. The switch has a little ramp that should depress the locating pin (but you do have to push kind of hard). The hole in the side is where you depress the pin to get the barrel back out. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 10 19:09:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDCA2D0645 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:09:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DC32D05C9 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8ba55.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.186.85]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTP id <0M6Y00IIEYUY4FC0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:06:45 -0400 From: George Richardson In-reply-to: <1341954651.15132.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <4FFCC395.5010809@key-men.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120710-1, 07/10/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <1341954651.15132.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 Subject: Re: [TR] ignition lock barrel X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Slide the barrel into place with the key in it and rotate it back and forth to enter fully. the pin should engage the hole. Sometimes the pin may not retract on it's own so that it can go all the way in. For those situations I tape it down and poke the tape out of the way with a fine awl once it's in position under the hole. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 7/10/2012 5:10 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Just received a new ignition switch for tr-3 and the barrel is separate from > the switch. Just wondering how to install the barrel..................shove > in? shove in and turn? poke something into little hole in the side of the > switch which might release something to allow the barrel to slide in? Just > wondering. > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 10 20:25:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11B22D060F for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:25:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout09.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout09.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203EF2D05D8 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.4] helo=mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout09.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SolAQ-0006Va-0d for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:52:34 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SolAP-0002lw-Jm; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:52:33 -0400 Received: from authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.1]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id YosZ1j00701P85W01osZ6D; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:52:33 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=DNMNElxb c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=MbxuoKLx0zvixc84AroA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=ilymawf/5WNU8sTmGLp1gQ==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.1 X-EN-IMPSID: YosZ1j00701P85W01osZ6D Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196] helo=triumph) by authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1SolAP-0008BB-Fs; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4FB033A910C7460FA73370005C1FF494@triumph> From: "Greg Gelhar" To: "Gary Nafziger" , References: <1341954651.15132.YahooMailNeo@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:52:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-EN-UserInfo: e42cf78691180d9d9fd0715a4121692b:575ebd0ae47b8b6522b84cd16b3b758d X-EN-AuthUser: greg@gelhar.com X-EN-OrigIP: 69.180.140.196 X-EN-OrigHost: c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] ignition lock barrel X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, it that easy but you must have the key in the barrel. With the key in the barrel, pushing the pin in the side hole will allow you to withdraw the tumbler. Greg G. Osseo, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nafziger" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [TR] ignition lock barrel > Just received a new ignition switch for tr-3 and the barrel is separate > from > the switch. Just wondering how to install the > barrel..................shove > in? shove in and turn? poke something into little hole in the side of > the > switch which might release something to allow the barrel to slide in? > Just > wondering. > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 10 23:56:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED7A2D0630 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:56:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A102D04BF for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:27:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=55RizW-g6u8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XDLeoW_dAAAA:20 a=CRw23I47AAAA:20 a=vNJiOFr3R86QC8jhpwAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6DrQWfHjB1IA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CB/09-29356-A410DFF4; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:30:02 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <0b1901cd5df9$da991dc0$8fcb5940$@rr.com> <988465723.2083535.1341890252732.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <09f601cd5f1d$d6fd0990$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <988465723.2083535.1341890252732.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac1eSovSKY1tSZoERaKZzXO3ezFzJAAziGRw Subject: Re: [TR] Gas line filter placement. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > I'm sure opinions will vary, but I've heard that running a paper > > element > > filter before the pump can aggravate any tendency towards vapor lock > > as the > > resistance of the filter lowers the pressure slightly. > > Stuff and nonsense. Vapor lock happens when the gasoline in the line leading to the pump vaporizes. (The lock part comes in because the pump cannot pump vapor very well.) The pressure at which the gasoline vaporizes depends on the fuel blend and fuel temperature. A little quick poking around shows that US law restricts gasoline to no more than 9 psia Reid vapor pressure. This means (approximately) that it will start to boil at 100F when the pressure drops below 9 psia. Since 1 atmosphere is roughly 14.7 psia, that gives us a 5.7 psi margin for pressure drop in the inlet tube. But, the vapor pressure goes up rapidly with temperature, and even the fuel in the tank can easily be hotter than 100F. I'm too lazy to work out the equation (and I couldn't find a chart for it), but you can see some typical curves here: http://goo.gl/yI6ci Remember the fuel line goes under the car, where it both gets the hot air blown back by the radiator fan when sitting stopped in traffic, and heat from the exhaust system. And I have seen paper element filters that had over a 5 psi drop at a reasonable fuel flow. Granted, that was a sign that they needed to be changed, but I've never been very good at changing them before they needed to be changed. And in probably 300,000 miles in an assortment of TR3s all with rusty gas tanks and no filter in front of the pump, I have never had a fuel pump quit because of dirt. I find it interesting that you have trouble with the Facet pump on uncle jack. I've also got a Facet pump in my Stag (the one I drove 5000 miles round trip to VTR 2005), mounted in the stock location, and it never had any trouble picking up fuel. My guess is that you have a leak or restriction on the inlet side. Facet pumps don't have check valves, but they should be able to pick up fuel from at least 24 inches. Here is a video of one picking up more than 36": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upZqF7y97h0 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 07:02:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008342D066F for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:02:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF7C2D0661 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C3A38585B5C for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "davewillner" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:31:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: C3A38585B5C.AFEFA X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1342870299.89299@rRRPb+s6FKKNZSFRuFSc5Q X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3 antenna placement X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The RadioMobile instructions and manuals I have for the TR3 all seem to show the installation for the antenna on the right front fender, but I'm thinking the drawings shown are for a right hand drive car. On a left hand drive car does the antenna go on the driver side or should it stay on the passenger too? The original 5"or 6" cut out for the speaker (or something else) on the kick panel is on the driver's side in my car. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 09:00:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0859C2D065D for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 034E02D0634 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:13:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:13:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:13:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342015989; bh=euXX0aGHyvfV/43Enp/+Pd1wQQmtiCLz/SJbI4UAxsY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:thread-index:In-Reply-To; b=uWXlDz2EtQpIiM5rx03wZq1ALJwMRQK8m5axCYrnqYsZxPxRWNL6t0xGH+fZYgVVwXQ098/uIEIbTlvmH5shGVOY977Kkc+nrvgHIGVl+L5/BccUzSpbf93xBpWiccCy9FBgX/xCU+36FL4eyeYJUyiphYmcFd4qnjwuaLkR03g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781455.34976.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ezhkFDQVM1mSnX2iPk6elGtzI4QKLRnACWT1IqeulZJ7tjG z2IwjpLGvWEfFR.mbhj6baNAJF7JR3wuezGAzPC5ytuM9URcDC.f76.VJapF 1wirm4FPteT.ibVC7BOnF43t4OQ4vV6m8SXyuDZ951GNuaR.LuqE27TjMOZq AaZ5fvRlZPclAT4FDapm6ocDdKN5YUo8fEtDy2QK.S9TBLTOecnmiqUIhIAU OMCGhD1Gwnvv2mLIRbgERFHORkXTPUEd6ygQ8G9oNMWZsVpESOW1Is72bPA7 i5OXUVOyfp45yncNPi1JYoSCQcwS6I8BJQEnTyElcX90f8spScbC8RxDyq6A wFLLU5HGex0vvv33nAHf2ZTN9LGcNVng6ptco4.tsQr09wO4QnNOZI0LvmsD ODEZUC.vrXEZhphViww55rLLTTmB4wQEF2zVOayW6IqybSoJz_xs7VYXmHH0 aUjd_6Zq3w0vyHMklp0C3EMF19pBVGOpV8_Ub.5NAXsoE9LuxOd4CZUz24gh TgQGdFLyvFMYFZ_c3q1wEjd_qzeJI9RCVTNqeMHQAvYXU3ONOPABoXTjRSks p0iwBmM_Ztg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2012 07:13:09 -0700 PDT From: "WBEECH" To: "'davewillner'" , References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:13:17 -0500 Message-ID: <9B5A2E5111864BE98375013701513F83@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Ac1fZdvxROgUUDOjSOa7AxYFoYdbtQACDkXQ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 antenna placement X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Both of my cars '58 & '62 are LHD and had the antenna on the front righthand wing. The '58 had a speaker cutout on the right side panel, the '62 had none. If you like, I can measure the hole placement for you. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of davewillner Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:32 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 antenna placement The RadioMobile instructions and manuals I have for the TR3 all seem to show the installation for the antenna on the right front fender, but I'm thinking the drawings shown are for a right hand drive car. On a left hand drive car does the antenna go on the driver side or should it stay on the passenger too? The original 5"or 6" cut out for the speaker (or something else) on the kick panel is on the driver's side in my car. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 10:04:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68232D0653 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:04:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E62D62D0643 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:26:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:26:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:26:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 983650.4727.bm@omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 60029 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2012 14:26:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1342016802; bh=nHnYCf4Z+GySmCIbBpAW0qu/E1u3PwvLCjDgz+fOxgg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EVZ7a79gcw+bNgZNwK5nBUHNUgFHvaPa0cJJUM9tN3L8E9RERuULjZLQZJC2vWhAGq/SY8Vo/I0sWOKwiTmV5EUOd3DxBYn6CxRI2lXW3g7Kef9lt2SUdfwaaAFxwbva122e1YFESuKJzkPb7nwYxsXBosZubCCirZUOax05h6U= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jdbo32J5QLrJSsvq8p2Z+i01pejzZYGeyJPMQ8FxqBdFLUhEXpFJu6gmyRoyMvMGJNvjZpxMuyftW151z262Jt8Eyf2meQgnEWSF+7eZvKjT2teoO6O/H93QnHiFdGg4XvyWNp3AwFqgbsdAPF6BRosGRGN87e2Mj3d80cV9PnU=; X-YMail-OSG: NY46qugVM1m_ekO44CGyHEvpMr1dPb_8TECJo8oL8O8cax5 Mu7sDJ.FlQspzNTzjDO3pANS3lWcY31GoSDcK8FPI6trMkY8xt3QnW1NHzYw dlulxHACkrCi5OPgPLww.6J2EnWLaCaLqIQ4xp3dS9PXeaCuhfU4_SA8QiyR 4MAK1OpEFnoxBD__rx0qHO5YJ1.RbPXXEqpyC_hLvl76pHsYMPu.jciBWTj3 sawpHmunPJwzf0cgzWvMRqCFv4Z5ZU6aBxADbr2.RuffR_kGBDd.A3YkNpuC 4NcaVI1w.J58BzzYHjng2fio3CWOfc65PMf1TBKSD39zL7h4YXhyKg4l7X2o 4a8t9kozPcyVvNB7wVTQbJfxX8F.tVsz0QImiUw3r4df.oKBNMamXO5qagK3 8dNHA_Xi4oA0fgNnOvXiicSSJXFQxWsbV8o4kOzHBfulu444Ij7JhavzFYLa wKYOhQh2DGnxjxcLzilQZlcYyCTQ.aXBlC0UYUvPDlfphSrVAeUgTrj1VrAP KjE9pXoptB2dDgm6EaRf.Cr14l4vXXB0YVzupwPwErtES38w5NehGgfgsBvE MBhbAVn0Bw1e9aU8vXdMe5hiuETDhi.rZcduGRhHsylfFxV17B2Gl6bsvIY3 sEhruuJrjkqP.u5tmwE2oCeB5r3YsVDDEh4DXUJXZvg-- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:26:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342016802.51350.YahooMailNeo@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Stop Motion Triumph Engine Rebuild X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: William Brewer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net An interesting stop motion video of a Spitfire engine being rebuilt. The ending is classic. The title is classic. Curious that he repaints the engine ofter reassembly. http://blog.makezine.com/2012/07/09/stop-motion-triumph-engine-rebuild/?utm_s ource=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+makezineonline+%28MAKE% 29 -Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 12:52:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC252D0223 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:52:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9879B2D0496 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=T2KxezROqg3tQFVNETMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:27384] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 6E/A2-28917-EEDBDFF4; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:54:54 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'davewillner'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:54:48 -0700 Message-ID: <0d2c01cd5f8e$43d7e6f0$cb87b4d0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1fZdOZ5TyfH8JhR+K+qAiMcCFv2gAJiD+w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 antenna placement X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For the US, radio antennas were generally installed by the dealer anyway, who may or may not have paid any attention to the location in the instructions. That said, all of my TRs with antenna holes have had them in the RH fender, roughly where the instructions show. That's curious about your speaker cutout. I'm pretty sure all of mine have been on the right. On TS39781LO you could see original paint on the edges of the hole, so it was clearly cut before the body was dipped. But it was also quite a bit larger than 6", more like 10" IIRC. I could not find a modern full-range speaker that would fit the hole, so I made a mounting ring to accept a 6" speaker. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 14:48:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0142C0D3A for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:48:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway3.delphi.com (gateway3.delphi.com [65.216.74.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9E22D0673 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 10.201.6.196 (EHLO mail.delphi.com) ([10.201.6.196]) by gateway3.delphi.com (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id MLB62638; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net ([169.254.1.190]) by 017-CH1MMR1-003.017d.mgd.msft.net ([144.250.158.11]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.004; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:29:29 -0500 From: "Daehler, William F" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion Thread-Index: Ac1fmSEf/qYARV7OTlCmGGrXaE9V6Q== Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:29:28 +0000 Message-ID: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0CFAE9C0@017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.207.130.74] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at gateway3.delphi.com) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My horns have stopped working. They had working fine when I put in the new wiring harness five years ago. I started troubleshooting last night, and found that I do have 12 V going to the one terminal to each of the horns. Unfortunately I have 12 V going to the other terminals too! There must be a short somewhere, but my battery doesn't go dead all the time. That's fine. I did a little more experimenting. I disconnected one of the leads from the horn (the purple and black wire that is supposed to be grounded). Then I took a jumper wire with alligator clips, and ran it from the free tab on the horn to a true ground. The horn worked fine! Toot, toot ! I repeated this on the other horn, it worked too. Toot, toot. Then I took off the horn switch on the steering wheel, measured the incoming voltage, checked that the metal steering column was Zero volts, and checked the operation of the switch, nothing wrong there. It seems like the ground path is going hot, but the battery isn't going flat. Puzzling. Any suggestions? Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue ***************************************************************************** *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ***************************************************************************** *********** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 16:32:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BA42D0539 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:32:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EE82D04A6 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W34 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:18:43 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.80.20] From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: , Triumph List Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:18:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0CFAE9C0@017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net> References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0CFAE9C0@017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2012 21:18:43.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[C05BE7A0:01CD5FAA] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Will- Take a look at a TR4 wiring diagram if you have one handy - the horns do ground through the horn button - eventually via the steering column/steering rack. If you want to keep experimenting, take your alligator clips and ground the metal steering column inside the engine bay, just before the uppermost rubber coupling. With it grounded, try your horn button - if it toots, you are loosing ground through the column as it goes to the rack - work your way down if needed to find the fault. If it doesn't work, you are losing ground possibly at the horn ring, you could find where the purple/black wire goes into the steering column and check there first, if good its something going on with the horn ring/horn pencil/horn button. Randy ps. Nice to meet you at the Mitty! (red TR4..) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 17:16:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510932D06D2 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:16:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73CD2D02CA for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=JelDOokcXiAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Vx0VB_CZKXsN90uJmsEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:28441] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 91/5A-17657-176FDFF4; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:56:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Daehler, William F'" , References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0CFAE9C0@017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net> In-Reply-To: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0CFAE9C0@017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:55:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01cd5faf$f2fdfea0$d8f9fbe0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac1fmSEf/qYARV7OTlCmGGrXaE9V6QAFkQkA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > There must be a short somewhere, What you have is more of a "long" than a short. A broken wire or bad contact, somewhere. My next step would be to check at the horn button again, with a jumper across the contacts (ie terminal to steering column/shaft). Only the horn uses the shaft as a ground, so without that connection you cannot tell if the shaft is grounded or not. If the shaft comes up to 12v, it will likely be either the ground connection at the steering rack, or the jumper across the rubber coupling in the column. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 11 18:35:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3FA2D06B4 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:35:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3142D06B4 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.3] helo=mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Sp77f-0006M7-FS for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:19:11 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Sp77f-0007wa-9T; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:19:11 -0400 Received: from authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.11]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id ZCKB1j0020EKrUA01CKB3x; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:19:11 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=DNMNElxb c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=JelDOokcXiAA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=0BYatGdpAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6elGYoSvWLMe0GjXA0cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S6lPFecxh5cA:10 a=5bnIr+R+vs56oWgm0tidcA==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.11 X-EN-IMPSID: ZCKB1j0020EKrUA01CKB3x Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196] helo=triumph) by authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1Sp77e-0006Zv-Md; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:19:10 -0400 Message-ID: <781AA1B7D9F24AF894875A68CCC99E8E@triumph> From: "Greg Gelhar" To: "Daehler, William F" , References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D0CFAE9C0@017-CH1MPN1-021.017d.mgd.msft.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:18:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-EN-UserInfo: e42cf78691180d9d9fd0715a4121692b:575ebd0ae47b8b6522b84cd16b3b758d X-EN-AuthUser: greg@gelhar.com X-EN-OrigIP: 69.180.140.196 X-EN-OrigHost: c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is not that both sides of your horn are going plus 12 volts, you are just reading through the horns windings. You know the problem. Your not getting a switched ground from the horn button. The horn ground depends on a jumper around the rubber flex couplings on the steering shaft. Check to make sure the little wire bridging those couplings are intact. Greg G. Osseo, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daehler, William F" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:29 PM Subject: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion > My horns have stopped working. They had working fine when I put in the > new > wiring harness five years ago. > > I started troubleshooting last night, and found that I do have 12 V going > to > the one terminal to each of the horns. Unfortunately I have 12 V going to > the > other terminals too! > > There must be a short somewhere, but my battery doesn't go dead all the > time. > That's fine. > > I did a little more experimenting. I disconnected one of the leads from > the > horn (the purple and black wire that is supposed to be grounded). Then I > took > a jumper wire with alligator clips, and ran it from the free tab on the > horn > to a true ground. The horn worked fine! Toot, toot ! I repeated this on > the > other horn, it worked too. Toot, toot. > > Then I took off the horn switch on the steering wheel, measured the > incoming > voltage, checked that the metal steering column was Zero volts, and > checked > the operation of the switch, nothing wrong there. > > It seems like the ground path is going hot, but the battery isn't going > flat. > Puzzling. > > Any suggestions? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 12 19:10:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2D92D0CA4 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:10:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D792C0D22 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:39:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-6284.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.72.141] helo=[192.168.4.106]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SpR8g-0004bH-3k for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:41:34 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:41:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, at 14:55:55, Randall wrote: > > If the shaft comes up to 12v, it will likely be either the ground connection > at the steering rack, or the jumper across the rubber coupling in the > column. and on the TR4, there are two of those couplings and therefore two of those ground straps passing around/through those rubber couplings. Keith R. Stewart London, Ontario E-Mail: keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 12 19:18:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596142D08EE for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:18:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C4E2D04B8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:41:41 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1342129412; x=1342734212; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=4mN37e7LWxPTPU2UVteeAyE1Cw8BS1bc0bFc7cVBFE8=; b=NQ+ TTh2Txmk+V26CB7XOvnn3iMkmLL6jZ94Ja2hW131sdnd00PDTceTns/lwYxb5T9x 923ze2jbQgq+WY78lUWyvqIUIWffDCtKuZCGPb/rGnmwB55BIn2Hu9wZz5L3N9y+ k0wyqnJeuzDKCWILQhxKdqhBmHeese4w0GSr2Ogk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=dp192gDZZaY617n9RhH7cHQuEJFPha1xtwmalKECO5qwsvr4nIAkGSGaYzJ0 OyZ83RlcE7FOZs4ncgbdyyF3/7y76kObEDadx1P2TUJnAiTZ1mzx6RJ6q ZFeN+rfgjAISNoPUwUytLijC13cJzMpzSopOAelRsvmJy/GeUNzAAA=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:43:32 -0400 Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 63-md50000113281.msg for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:43:31 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:43:31 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120712:md50000113281::eVnYD6Jt4VdIA8sW:00001DEX X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:39:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: 'William Brewer' , 'Triumphs' In-Reply-To: <1342016802.51350.YahooMailNeo@web180909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: IndieFIlmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Stop Motion Triumph Engine Rebuild X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill: Perhaps he is going for industrial authenticity. In the eighties, I worked at a company making custom tracked vehicles. The engines were purchased in from several manufacturers. Cummins, Renault etc. The units had clearly been spray-painted after nearly final assembly. Often, the only parts not on the engines at paint time were the distributor and oil filler caps. Even the wiring harness would be covered with sand or blue coloured paint. I guess it was some sort of cost control or brand look. Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: July-11-12 10:27 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Stop Motion Triumph Engine Rebuild An interesting stop motion video of a Spitfire engine being rebuilt. The ending is classic. The title is classic. Curious that he repaints the engine ofter reassembly. http://blog.makezine.com/2012/07/09/stop-motion-triumph-engine-rebuild/?utm_s ource=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+makezineonline+%28MAKE% 29 -Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 12 19:38:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAE72D11E1 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:38:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC0B2D0375 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:03:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6CM5njM005293; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:05:49 -0400 Received: from core-msd002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.5]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 17570E00008C; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:05:49 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36542-STANDARD Received: from 12.152.199.77 by webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:05:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF2E91A0EBC02B-D4C-38226@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.152.199.77] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:05:49 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342130749; bh=gDtWaCWF0GLfo9MVXcP9T8Uiu0dD2qZjyZ46IUKVpbU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w1Ns2wC1V/qYW+yn9lX7T2EwnQfLyl3HqZ/exm2lY6qhBSyTaKj2jLU3dSZsv5Hw7 dhdnWZ9RhfQiShWac9NMj91PcFUJUyrNXAXbv4SIeN+TnlMptnSOrFC6Vdkab3Yn3g p1xvJPW8X4vzveCwdH0IB+UBbzjASMeFdD0Jc7Ws= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:276865600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4fff4a3d130a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] "CALIFORNIA AIR" A DOCUMENTARY ON KAS KASTNER by John Clancy X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TRIUMPH LIST: This is a brand new DVD release....you may have heard rumors. Starting to ship the first lot, next week. If you are a fan of Kas Kastner If you enjoy automotive history. If you are a Triumph enthusiast. If you attended THE MITTY featuring the Kastner Cup this year You likely will want this 2 HOUR DVD Documentary on Kas Kastner TRIUMPH COMPETITION DEPARTMENT years with bonus features of this year's MITTY at ROAD ATLANTA. I knew that when KAS brought John Clancy to meet with Alexander Racing in the paddock, there was something special going on. The result was an agreement to send discs from the UK in bulk and have A.R.E. package and prepare to ship. Keeps the costs down...... Find out what "CALIFORNIA AIR" means...it's a great story. Just one of many in Kas' extensive interview. Watch 40+ Triumphs take to the track at Road Atlanta. Classic Motor Sports sponsored THE MITTY and hosted the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup. Other historic racing footage is included, too. What a ride! Order Information: contact n197tr4@cs.com PayPal or Personal Checks accepted. PayPal account is N197TR4@CS.COM $28 INCLUDES SHIPPING ANYWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 12 23:17:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18AA2D108E for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:17:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697852D0FF5 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M7200L2MX80M890@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:19:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "ptegler" To: "Joe Alexander" , References: <8CF2E91A0EBC02B-D4C-38226@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:19:14 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [TR] "CALIFORNIA AIR" A DOCUMENTARY ON KAS KASTNER by John Clancy X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptegler List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net yep....a couple of us talked to John (and his wife? assistant?) for about an hour out behind the main tent up on the hill at the Mitty with the Spitfires and GT6 NASS crew. We spent quite a bit of time in the shade of my canopy, talking to Mike Cook and others, as well as googling over FIS6's engine bay. We'd been walking the grounds and were radioed to come back up the hill to talk to John Very nice gentleman, lots of stories to exchange. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: [TR] "CALIFORNIA AIR" A DOCUMENTARY ON KAS KASTNER by John Clancy > TRIUMPH LIST: > > > This is a brand new DVD release....you may have heard rumors. Starting to > ship the first lot, next week. > > If you are a fan of Kas Kastner > If you enjoy automotive history. > If you are a Triumph enthusiast. > If you attended THE MITTY featuring the Kastner Cup this year > > You likely will want this 2 HOUR DVD Documentary on Kas Kastner TRIUMPH > COMPETITION DEPARTMENT years with bonus features of this year's MITTY at > ROAD > ATLANTA. > > I knew that when KAS brought John Clancy to meet with Alexander Racing in > the > paddock, there was something special going on. The result was an agreement > to > send discs from the UK in bulk and have A.R.E. package and prepare to > ship. > Keeps the costs down...... > > Find out what "CALIFORNIA AIR" means...it's a great story. Just one of > many in > Kas' extensive interview. Watch 40+ Triumphs take to the track at Road > Atlanta. Classic Motor Sports sponsored THE MITTY and hosted the 10th > Running > of the Kastner Cup. Other historic racing footage is included, too. What > a > ride! > > Order Information: contact n197tr4@cs.com > > PayPal or Personal Checks accepted. > > PayPal account is N197TR4@CS.COM > > $28 INCLUDES SHIPPING ANYWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 13 07:12:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0066B2D08B5 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:12:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288712D0840 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so2464096wgb.20 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xLTO1lCn3uo2x2n0uyb9X3QfEv1SIASGjBTQYAwUBJg=; b=0tgNEnE+TOw7kWcxWBUJMclvJgsTWaiw+zx3wyT368rkd7hFsX//hpZ2PM/ubiyW6L D+mhJ/RgRlWxDduBUM2rZgJsCTJKJRYxQBFIcYN+0lV78Qh0/bCbEgVllIUvhj1uP3Fk Dl6vgVurEnOiRNQyMKgTmZKumIkcSgwps/igFX+cfv+scvbGLUJ9ZcbbxORgHrLgkg9N lFfzGFkiNwhbeuO+AfoNjHK1W4M0bqQiLawIK7zbEL62Rw1BtiHuFhuoG6nQ16bgrVTO mTn5srwtm6JQB7uqTIsCaGL9wrLqV9DbATd4ECsGpmM9WbJy7+TH1CkjluEYsxVqlXcN SmZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.78.33 with SMTP id y1mr1871488wiw.3.1342178071208; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.146.41 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] separating trans & OD X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings all" I am about to separate the trans and OD units in order to be able to dismantle the trans in order to refresh. Are there any concerns / gotchas that I need to be concerned about? I know that I need to be carefull on reassembly of the two modules so that I don't damage the OD plunger. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 13 09:04:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996AD2C0C28 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:04:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713FC2D092D for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 06:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W61 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.80.20] From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Triumph List Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:29:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2012 12:29:50.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[32A95510:01CD60F3] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Horns not working. I need a suggestion X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > If the shaft comes up to 12v, it will likely be either the ground > connection > > at the steering rack, or the jumper across the rubber coupling in the > > column. > > and on the TR4, there are two of those couplings and therefore two of those > ground straps passing around/through those rubber couplings. > > Uncommon I suspect, but you can actually lose ground within the column itself, right at the spline connection probably from corrosion - that is the problem on my car, I got around it temporarily by wrapping a ground wire around the column between the two couplings. Maybe not temporary as I've been driving that way for about 5 years now! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 13 12:32:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155B42D064B for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:32:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211C92D09B1 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6DFWSVT028636 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:32:28 -0400 Received: from core-mob002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.197]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E2B74E00008B for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <36928.474abdb8.3d31998b@cs.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:32:27 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342193548; bh=vAiNQ9E4zu4RsFFZgjC6q99N0PMLi3GAuXc/cG0XN4s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TKN0VQ2GFHigB5AwAxZxSAPpy/Ss4tfQCE7vHV50Dwfd9RtHLMDHAjnga3JtHh0Qq YUemWL0thQH2v2pAxgCxkNPd6X0RPcnDTwaDHWg+Jh9T/SCNiKi4vsJrAXsj2X3iXP Rv/7P+LIEpGtUtnat0VY4zf5ASBzfXLqYJnJggYc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429182080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc50003f8b4353 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] separating trans & OD X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Take notes/pictures of the sprag (one-way) clutch before removing it so you will know which way round to reinstall it. You can put it in backwards but it don't work so good that way. Oh, and on reassembly, this may sound counter intuitive but the best way I have found is to secure the O/D unit with the output flange down and lower the transmission onto the O/D. Trying to do it the other way causes the clutch assembly to drop and you loose alignment of the splines on the sun gear and the sprag clutch. Dave In a message dated 7/13/2012 8:14:43 AM Central Daylight Time, aribertn@gmail.com writes: > I am about to separate the trans and OD units in order to be able to > dismantle the trans in order to refresh. Are there any concerns / gotchas > that I need to be concerned about? I know that I need to be carefull on > reassembly of the two modules so that I don't damage the OD plunger. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 14 10:43:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D412D09EB for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:43:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9B52D08BC for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 07:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120713170545247.QVVY256@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:05:45 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=8XDl3TdAmTYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=j77K3SKTAAAA:20 a=twPESQt2AAAA:20 a=FNIdfD8C95UVPVbB9GgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ul2q8spY4hgA:10 a=njnTCxb3chMA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:38068] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id BB/A6-13948-30550005; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:04:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'aribert neumann'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:03:57 -0700 Message-ID: <020901cd6119$7e912310$7bb36930$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac1g+lbrKGtAEZ21QR6Av09DRzKpeAAHm1Lg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] separating trans & OD X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am about to separate the trans and OD units in order to be able to > dismantle the trans in order to refresh. Are there any concerns / > gotchas > that I need to be concerned about? Make sure it was not under power the last time it was shifted out of OD. If you aren't sure, it would probably be wise to spin it up with a drill motor or whatever, enough to shift in and out of OD. Then of course repeat the process after you stop turning it, to be sure all the pressure is bled off. Otherwise, the direct drive clutch may be bound up with the splines hard enough to make it difficult or impossible to disassemble. > I know that I need to be carefull on reassembly There are some really good articles on the Buckeye Triumphs site http://goo.gl/4BtfD and also on the VTR site http://goo.gl/yIdTa I would suggest downloading, reading and understanding them before you start. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 14 17:26:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E8A2D09D4 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:26:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 36D2D2D0869 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2012 19:45:21 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2012 19:44:21 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2012 19:44:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2012 19:44:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 86054.61143.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28357 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2012 19:44:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=O6qSDfd1/1IEJLtDM4eBoG0DvZ0iPWYMEZOATkr3Og3AE4RWET0vX8vxkTApJJ07tM+gp9ZsBUwuvNRNMHIlbDH+JyVH+p3rLPxSvnqfpBkg2pHiFQt06KZi9vhg7OLPMuU4PTRbQHr2xbULDjgQ8OP3yVEp21iLKrlUvSE8mAE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342295061; bh=PPfBNh+CHEtoYdhy57ltFX1fpoFvfDSYCe1l7vC9xPI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=eUlMLgz2tHtvjGpcPyAT0QQs+/mIdRq5ZtnLN7OdUkYmlPKNUVEFVIyuF8gWbQuUfQHKE8kPZuCRaQFk21SVG6zV2i7gyYMjg7Zx8uyUvyhBGQ3fHrSyM8K+mm+b6xAz3ePQiTiX+8wiW+Ruy5dgq6VANo+9lJQeOqBLIbDgR2g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xwQw3moVM1kf.s_oSZqmBI5JSLJ9._w2yumfC8hOAaRcb88 clwGnamhEhv3oX5gowr.jGDXEfL8V352MbGCafjDkqltYgMApiQs4_YQYkqa 5C_9ycYfDG0HhiAZdEk9G7KLrCycF55lX84cLdwJFSnYrGkQqToNUISZrJH. 0eaqW0U00MOZEoU397WheT9LMmwCLwt2P97xCDY9wSJxfZzq8wJJfrjCiVyz vAjtW7.3d8XrO8unrC47rfCGSgPKksK2VSm83Xq06vC9_u4S3BWrz0Twnh0. FLDJymPkDEsLa5S28EEP6q0suGaAvtMki1b6PyIi05fQDyCQ2SeBXmCMpp2V Piw6_PHt_BoUUIYECdLKlgcdpqM9ZKRauXT7zGjo2OWobUx4fffpn9h2.tuy Fz_tWoDCdwhn8rG1nVajxwQ6Ig_uJuq2qOBQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2012 12:44:20 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:44:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1h7f39v1ofpM1MTgmER4neIBUEAAACuZYg Subject: [TR] FW: TR Frame rust X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just finished stripping everything from the TR3B frame. Lots of salt rust, NE car, and I am wondering how do you check it out before going back together? I will have it sandblasted and powder coated but it is the internal integrity that concerns me. I took a ball peen hammer and gave it a good wack every six inches, nothing broke or sounded offnote. One outrigger is disintegrated, so I know that has to go. Suggestions? Thanks, Bill Sent from mobile Bill= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 14 19:59:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1E52C0A3D for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:59:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00CD2D0C03 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL122-DS8 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:43:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [74.111.244.194] X-Originating-Email: [peterara@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:44:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:44:04 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2012 23:43:56.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[88D589E0:01CD621A] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Triumphest 2012 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Southern CA listers - I know a lot of you lurk. I have started getting responses to my quest for a two-day run to Flagstaff. Since I start in Buellton, the general track has been, now get out your maps, down the 101, North 23 to the 118 to 210 to 15 north to that big stop just before Barstow - you know where we always stop for gas, etc. Then across to Laughlin overnight there-casino rooms relatively inexpensive. Then in the AM across to Bullhead City, north to Kingman and I40. But then take one of the last best stretches of route 66 and loop around to Flagstaff. Advantages are you won't be dog tired when you get to Flagstaff. You can run with a group. You have time to run Route 66 - I understand there are some stops for goodies. I plan I going to the Central Coast Club show at Oxnard harbor on July 22, maybe we can talk more there, or contact me off list. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 14 21:55:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1474F2D0981 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:55:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6E32D0A6F; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF782E01E; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <50020AB3.6060904@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:11:31 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: healeys@Autox.Team.Net, Triumphs , Spridget list , Tiger's List Subject: [TR] Network issues X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Team.Net server is running *extremely* slow at the moment, it could very well be an issue with the network hardware on my end. I'm looking into it, please be patient and don't worry too much if your message takes a *LONG* time to get posted. mjb the perplexed. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 14 22:11:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B8F2D0B29 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:11:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366642D0829 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:44:44 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jgAb6xajUBeKq12YMV6Ode6TvePKAIe/CVyrLcdq2ElOVM4iMW1/U0R0U4cfEYGt; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.0.79.143] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SpsKM-0000X2-UT for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:43:27 -0400 Message-ID: <230B87AAEC5341E39D99CCB1806F080C@Shemp> From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:43:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-ELNK-Trace: 528c356ac306a91c1da3787d14811d2a4d2b10475b57112040c9751bf7f5e2776945e21e06c2a48e58c96fd3c26f570b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.0.79.143 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Most dangerous car ever - no TR content X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got a laugh out of this: http://autos.aol.com/gallery/unsafe-ford-pinto-minnesota/ Clearly the bjournalistb didnbt recognize that NOT having the gas tank near the rear bumper of a Pinto was actually a safety improvement. Enjoy. Cliff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 14 23:39:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646762D08A2 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:39:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4944E2C0B8A for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aS561j0011vXlb858S916B; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:09:01 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aS941j00h2xV5no3dS94Z1; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:09:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:09:01 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-ID: <1743978124.1199237.1342318141223.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <020901cd6119$7e912310$7bb36930$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [75.67.82.24] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [TR] fuel pump pressure question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Question: carburetors call for specific fuel psi's. Does it take exceeding it by a lot (say, 20%) to overwhelm the floats and cause flooding? ...Or a little, say 5%? Probably it's relative to the size of the carb. I dunno. Just trying to get a general idea. Terry ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 15 01:39:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839922C0CE1 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:39:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156742D02E1 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aUhT1j0020cZkys5DUm3WJ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:46:03 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aUm51j00E2xV5no3WUm5Sc; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:46:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:46:03 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Cliff Hansen Message-ID: <1166829607.1438380.1342327563469.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <230B87AAEC5341E39D99CCB1806F080C@Shemp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.125.165.36] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Most dangerous car ever - no TR content X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wouldn't get a second look if it was being driven during the Winter months in Cleveland, OH Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:43:27 PM Subject: [TR] Most dangerous car ever - no TR content I got a laugh out of this: http://autos.aol.com/gallery/unsafe-ford-pinto-minnesota/ Clearly the bjournalistb didnbt recognize that NOT having the gas tank near the rear bumper of a Pinto was actually a safety improvement. Enjoy. Cliff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 15 10:02:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156352D09D9 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:02:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5986D2D03BD for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2012 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.243] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2012 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.117] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2012 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2012 13:31:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 10542.69880.bm@omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 74785 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2012 13:31:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=oHSPOxKEiQun+NLWSmqPUQjMC+a19hYyqLYvMDe46cg1U4KxDu7XHgwWZLlvK2PTRwOdvdte1NrPwRIS1UbOTK7ddT1XX5XuMIP2PXFATauwTuHkZRG1VPbuOEF17X10GW8jtX22xh4qsc3vAW7RyzD4+vVlkWUdGFaBHiVax04= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342359105; bh=wdDMaEIdpMICkQ4xjcZzgXh5i89RVvWXW8FIVm34Cvw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=gSc6cGXh6gytTlBA2WWmY91LC/xDvASqEZv3NtdVH74L3/fJ1s6SQ4G9Rl5ZxlFqTWyKDlziU47hsKJ/vqSbd44TZRBx6zX4O12LGollRKY8QsWxIqoC+FovZdh8SvEFYOtNU9VYAULBZ07ldS8p/5FXncazVUlRSnx+4jpll5s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mOPqqrEVM1lZLQuyvSOWh5pSleospMQycSn3LIhCJjnGFTA kQVjVDQStH2XdMGosZHun9hq4YswDJd1bfKTf4xUdGzK0EfxiWMd4AUy6n66 snzlumGe2hUURJRrSf_RuacwOYHVdTGXkfNEhYJNnWv87jA47Z3w9IeZL_T3 jWZyaVXV.xJOyUD7X5DZ2N0_KnaK34Xbgvqt24lI6_a_h1Bw77qCwIwrKeLx lfMHZALdhmXa3CCSaWzu6HEqx88jrajK1D3lyoDm7BtTafQCpLzx.uEGmAlS pBqEK665AGD9.7HwIe9zFROGGcDlSVGhPpXjLQl_47ZsBANDnJeoLDAwyY5M .VTwPnnlKmHevPxLBkv53lbYLtgLB3LsZ0y7gSFCAZxReehbGD_coY39yCWB lgCihyft_vSOVJL4xm_ODbrCz2f2g7VnNp7NSqy6THbgoj7yiMSMGzIM0AXd qh8G9eXk4WCmrjOCTtS.s12xe7RX.0nwMGpVrWiiR2ET7.X7z7nJicqpP1Db BZ8SBVrdW1Dm41GG3D.7E.1AQXCwUuKtbkngzr1Mr0w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2012 06:31:45 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: , References: <020901cd6119$7e912310$7bb36930$@rr.com> <1743978124.1199237.1342318141223.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:31:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1743978124.1199237.1342318141223.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac1iTc5+7yhWNvaPSM2MJENJbl6d0QAP0ygg Subject: Re: [TR] fuel pump pressure question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Probably it is more relative to the efficiency of your float shutoff valve. SUs and most carburetors want between 2.5-3.5psi of pressure. Could you get away with 20% more at 4.2psi? Maybe, but each step up just increases the risk of failure/flooding. Kind of like stepping out on a skinny limb to find out when it will break. If you have the measuring and regulating ability, give a try and tell us all where the float valve starts to leak. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If youthink you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of terryrs@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:09 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] fuel pump pressure question Question: carburetors call for specific fuel psi's. Does it take exceeding it by a lot (say, 20%) to overwhelm the floats and cause flooding? ...Or a little, say 5%? Probably it's relative to the size of the carb. I dunno. Just trying to get a general idea. Terry ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 15 11:50:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A8A2D01AB for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:50:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7AA2D08A3; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-43511925.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.25.37]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M7700L9SIQKYM10@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:54:14 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: 6pack@autox.team.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <002801cd6299$b3b786c0$1b269440$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac1imbOFdl1PzxyhQCGVoWquTA7zdw== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] LBCs and Jerry Seinfeld's new show X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry Seinfeld has created a new "show about nothing". It's called Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee and the first episode will be shown Thursday, July 19th at 9:00PM EDT online at Crackle.com (Seinfeld tried to sell the show to networks but found no takers). Why am I discussing this here? Well, at least two of the cars are British - one is a pretty silver Austin Healey that Jerry supposedly borrowed from a dealer in the Hamptons and the other is a Tahiti Blue TR6 that Jerry rented - from me. The segment featuring my car was filmed in Manhattan and Brooklyn back in March. The concept is that Jerry hand-picked a number of cars that he wanted to drive and his production staff rounded them up. Each was fitted with multiple cameras (both in and outside the car) and Jerry then selected one of his comedian friends (Colin Quinn in the episode featuring my car) to go for a ride and get coffee. Yes, it's a rip off of a number of other shows (e.g. Carpool, The Car Show, etc.) but there appear to be very few original ideas on TV (or the Internet) any more. There are two teaser promos out on the Internet, one of them showing some of the cars (www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pe7J-8qIPY) and the other dealing more with the comedians and the actual ingestion of liquids (www.youtube.com/watch?v=526iGwVdp6o). I don't see an Emmy in my future, but it might be worth watching the show, even if just for the cars. Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 15 16:29:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FF72C08FC for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:29:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939E52C0CCB; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (69.0.55.143.adsl.snet.net [69.0.55.143]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LtYxI-1TrQur0goW-010tQS; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:36:53 -0400 X-Vipre-Scanned: 065C0BB4002FD4065C0D01-TDI Message-ID: <50BE97736F4A48DF9334E41827C14082@BobPC> From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Dennis Culligan" , <6pack@autox.team.net>, References: <002801cd6299$b3b786c0$1b269440$@net> In-Reply-To: <002801cd6299$b3b786c0$1b269440$@net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:36:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:X4bFf6ClFlPEiyUxGPfZFARwgAFz7XYKNtHUBU64a+7 /qrbzzWduCiEk9Touaa9bqdUsb3oufdOpNpy5nIrTZJYOQw+qt H0zUhiwEhiuYF3mWPFuvdY4dsb82IiDOzS9uZ3uLk2SG2g/9Ad b75x/HOaHJtKL1qRa+lpsXdXq++eCpoi3zsj6oK18pUXl5WL85 2eMUAcwTouwwhs7HHfLff4+cnWLN97ieyH8YdAqtXFiUMJlmil BYkxpdHForGVS9Gl6n4wvLmL+plDNNECW0/W+sDP+vI5TiUVyu WM9FoZqBkD2zaXNfNwftxE4GN9g3xLwD9e7Rt28hfk8T/JmIbt tCilssyG8PlWnUlT4WWK8AiDrW1zUrtqR5Eg6hRvC Subject: Re: [TR] LBCs and Jerry Seinfeld's new show X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Very cool.......... having your car in the show..........the show I'm not too sure about. I did notice that the in car shots were done using GoPro video cameras. I just shared this with the guys in the 6-Pack Forum. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Culligan Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:54 AM To: 6pack@autox.team.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] LBCs and Jerry Seinfeld's new show Jerry Seinfeld has created a new "show about nothing". It's called Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee and the first episode will be shown Thursday, July 19th at 9:00PM EDT online at Crackle.com (Seinfeld tried to sell the show to networks but found no takers). Why am I discussing this here? Well, at least two of the cars are British - one is a pretty silver Austin Healey that Jerry supposedly borrowed from a dealer in the Hamptons and the other is a Tahiti Blue TR6 that Jerry rented - from me. The segment featuring my car was filmed in Manhattan and Brooklyn back in March. The concept is that Jerry hand-picked a number of cars that he wanted to drive and his production staff rounded them up. Each was fitted with multiple cameras (both in and outside the car) and Jerry then selected one of his comedian friends (Colin Quinn in the episode featuring my car) to go for a ride and get coffee. Yes, it's a rip off of a number of other shows (e.g. Carpool, The Car Show, etc.) but there appear to be very few original ideas on TV (or the Internet) any more. There are two teaser promos out on the Internet, one of them showing some of the cars (www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pe7J-8qIPY) and the other dealing more with the comedians and the actual ingestion of liquids (www.youtube.com/watch?v=526iGwVdp6o). I don't see an Emmy in my future, but it might be worth watching the show, even if just for the cars. Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 15 23:31:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F44B2D01EC for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:31:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DD9C2D08E2 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 03:30:28 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 03:30:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 03:30:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 783741.67039.bm@omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70476 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2012 03:30:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342409428; bh=VE/lKg6PsJSDUWvLh9GP7KEkDR4rljVgmocy6VUxSSc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uYvt5LuHp049iNFomc7v5Uju81YPncExyMdIkk5n40hB1NfpFRRRkeqK1YSTdOjm60+l3I75XkgIsr9Jm/X1IJXdfZBuw0lDboREuwCP69jItUI8+0Lj7XHNQT1wMpAUUVwOeyL1xKMtWM8fv+nQYnVTOZQ8KGGlP34p+z6FRKE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P8G8Yh/MJPC2xyqzU/jF8SZBIjPkUnkdK/+x5roovXLRXx1p++lWkSr6swpuQYB5c2wix9H6R9+YBVD/lbCNpIKrJEPTIXDOmqLFhfRRUn884HIGM4peb3nfbM7SuVEwQrkW9fMRaILGhEStcTdI7/G5RE1fYvsWizBawN0epKs=; X-YMail-OSG: 6a.6EHAVM1nWbnwRzLuRUM_TBbNqsy0pWPzi2_PuvgUIPJY KfbF8BJb_6oDe1Mb_nfnNWRh2WH71dVxmGojJ_c4kR6FB18pEWJxoV3h.7_x 2jQGNUBaCU8D.bf9JeSJN1DJyF3wdvFDqDSOzWfRjj9rRk8fGW5PfKkTQ5wb CSDJZeH3UU6mEXtV9KaVQOWc1DfyGy4M14.JM4K4K3p6__SEhOa4iFznOWbs L7j5ycb8fZgXkebKqwknDadqX6eKIGGJAFOrZDpiJtmbYtu3fEqv_Fg5IfWY wFnSrEa_FNbGydYC4QWoeQBKRckjpjNxrGl3ydLpEiJka7hPdbyZlVTul9Xr hV3XXSMhEfU2Thw00z8NkmLR._lAUDlQSEIvv23BaEPMqcdE1W4uqJkfe.7W UygXbdSaQGGArU5RlUSS6LrjslkcW.O7GAIedk0l3rEjIAtxVxJDrllkaA6Y D8gguc_SKDKEIjI670mTl36nbdRIassKXWMuq5DJzKseWI.WOuu6SqmkF8tH Wmo9DNAgCT5tSdfzzHBy.4LYOFqieyT4- Received: from [72.192.119.180] by web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:30:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342409428.52133.YahooMailNeo@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: Wbeech , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] FW: TR Frame rust X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well....youl could pay an NDT company to do some ultrasonic wall thickness testing. If it looks bad on the outside....its gonna look worse on the inside. You may want to call RATCO and get a new one. Chad in Tulsa From: Wbeech To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: [TR] FW: TR Frame rust Just finished stripping everything from the TR3B frame. Lots of salt rust, NE car, and I am wondering how do you check it out before going back together? I will have it sandblasted and powder coated but it is the internal integrity that concerns me. I took a ball peen hammer and gave it a good wack every six inches, nothing broke or sounded offnote. One outrigger is disintegrated, so I know that has to go. Suggestions? Thanks, Bill Sent from mobile Bill= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 03:00:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50232D0394 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:00:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3236D2D089A for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so3937330wgb.20 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:34:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=vKAqF9hOKsQhKmddpFuuJwT6zavGk2pQKbf45ZCzo+0=; b=PvJhkOTlp6L+DOtyPmR07t/ZOUlvOD0ym8kE81fSnDx1ZoJwDZ+p9fCzwYMsJVloSF 3w2TiroObdg2kinn9Um9NfrtBEZ+R9kqZTAAhQuXR33sbc9KCh/2dJama5PP2oEs5SMg rkL3UOnABj8Ov3h+0fFHENHzAbVEI3SZY8H18/cl7Z+9i0bmIipWxH7ZQZLQ7/MWszHT SyxxlxpyHmNdG1gx0YMvybpnxlrp3NOa4E3SomJDAwLXqyMA9E6EYkOqznzAK0Tr7YBX 8nlBKsEZCZQFrE6/HhC/y8T6Rnsu31vwObSAe7GkhIEfYbaJDsqWVRCcifrd/vzXsHlN H3EQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.220.89 with SMTP id n67mr5879460wep.73.1342420457236; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.233.233 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:34:17 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3i_1WyL2FrISglBaBP_08jQTie8 Message-ID: From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello list, It's been a very long time since I have sent a message to the team.net list Triumph. Some of you may remember me! Anyway, I have now got enough time on my hands to tinker again with my 1962 TR4. Also, this year it is fifty years old, so I feel somewhat obligated to pay attention to it. I've got a bunch of new parts on it now, including a stainless exhaust and new tacho/speedo cables, and have been trying to get it to run properly. I have fairly bad backfiring (through the carbs) under load when accelerating. I have balanced the carb inlets, the mixture seems OK, and I've done the static timing. I have new air filters (K&N) on order. I suspect that this is an ignition problem, though, and the Haynes manual is dismal when it comes to troubleshooting the distributor. Nearly every test involves "compare your stuff with new parts, and replace them if they are worn out". My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the distributor rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 30? Should it snap back to a position at rest or just flop around? I am trying to tell if the centrifugal advance springs need replacement. Will the K&N filters require me to fiddle with the timing? They are 56-9327: http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=56-9327 Has anyone got glowing recommendations, or horror stories, for electronic ignition? I've been scouring the Web and so far have not found a clear winner. I could rebuild the points (a la Distributor Doctor, or Advanced Distributors) - or get Petronix, Hot-Spark, or some other drop-in electronic replacement. I am not building a concours car. I want it to be reliable, running on pump gas, with minimal roadside surprises. Thanks! -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 08:12:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6226D2D0899 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:12:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E702D04E7; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 06:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6GC2H0v009623; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:02:17 -0400 Received: from core-msc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.193]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E0A1DE000085; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:02:16 -0400 (EDT) References: , <8CF2E6A54C4F4E6-D18-80227@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E6F6EA045E6-D18-80A9A@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E748E3293C0-D18-814D8@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E82978E02B0-8D0-817D6@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> , <8CF310864BE0B4C-1EF4-A52A9@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36542-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.26) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:02:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF3161FA748DB3-1010-A7D8E@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.5.155] Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:02:16 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342440137; bh=kWYLl9xLvf27Ij1wPUvCy9yS8+vLFDq2TvK2TSoc9dM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CCxOlLu/jk49cuIgIJCIUeu4JrwNX0Nm/dC3IMLOP4aIM7uMjCGHbuACD2SXaeO9c FbUBqdiiRzji0Wytwcmkp/It5aVkg9tuCpZ8icaDoXbRCUxdQHV1TvbvNYIpQzRXdc lCtUkNp2n4WKVB3/DA1hF2HNtYgnMuzmJR7FxB1I= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:230423872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca500402c80bee X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR youtube link a TRAILER X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 'California Air' is the Kas Kastner story of his competition years with the Triumph Factory. This is an exceptional documentary. It has, included, great footage of our 10th Running of The Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. Additionally, if you joined us in your street TR for the weekend, there's also footage of the Triumph Corral and Triumph Track Tour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw the YouTube preview public now so it should come up on a search. John Clancy sent the first lot of discs to us. A.R.E. is doing the final packaging in a premium DVD case along with the artwork, and then sending in bubble wrap envelope. Order Info $28.00 total in North America PayPal: n197tr4@cs.com Check: A.R.E. 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50648 Thanks, Joe Alexander ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 08:27:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3342D06CF for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:27:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE612D0368 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 06:18:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=kb1MuJKOTQc5li8ZD2V1lQ==:17 a=63NOriMuWKsA:10 a=IoAI9rfztR8A:10 a=oryKnJCVDu4A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BAZU7i3ZAAAA:8 a=gyKT90k91UeqZbBDP40A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=evZ_a0MlGNUA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=kb1MuJKOTQc5li8ZD2V1lQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 67.242.9.253 Received: from [67.242.9.253] ([67.242.9.253:49524] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C2/94-29356-42704005; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:20:52 +0000 Message-ID: <5004071B.6060608@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:20:43 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Malcolm, When I see/hear backfiring, I always think timing. If you static time your distro, then set 4 degrees BTDC you should be ok for most driving. For me on my 3 and 4, I do the same thing but then use the micro adjustment to fine tune so I don't get any pre ignition and the engine pulls good in all gears. If you think your distributor is worn out, then get it rebuilt. I had mine done on my 6 by Jeff Alexander. He does a good job and the price is good. No experience here with electronic ignition. I go with stock on my 3,4 and 6 and are very satisfied. I have rarely had problems with spark but the few I have had are bad points, broken connection on the low tension lead inside the distributor and a bad distributor cap. Not sure on the rotation degrees on the distributor rotor, but I am guessing at least 5 degrees each way, (maybe a bit more) and it should snap back. Doubt the filters are the problem. But do check the oil level in the dashpots. Bob On 07/16/2012 02:34 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Hello list, > > It's been a very long time since I have sent a message to the team.net list > Triumph. Some of you may remember me! > > Anyway, I have now got enough time on my hands to tinker again with my 1962 > TR4. Also, this year it is fifty years old, so I feel somewhat obligated > to pay attention to it. I've got a bunch of new parts on it now, including > a stainless exhaust and new tacho/speedo cables, and have been trying to > get it to run properly. > > I have fairly bad backfiring (through the carbs) under load when > accelerating. I have balanced the carb inlets, the mixture seems OK, and > I've done the static timing. I have new air filters (K&N) on order. I > suspect that this is an ignition problem, though, and the Haynes manual is > dismal when it comes to troubleshooting the distributor. Nearly every test > involves "compare your stuff with new parts, and replace them if they are > worn out". > > My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the distributor > rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 30? Should it snap back to a > position at rest or just flop around? I am trying to tell if the > centrifugal advance springs need replacement. > > Will the K&N filters require me to fiddle with the timing? They are > 56-9327: http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=56-9327 > > Has anyone got glowing recommendations, or horror stories, for electronic > ignition? I've been scouring the Web and so far have not found a clear > winner. I could rebuild the points (a la Distributor Doctor, or Advanced > Distributors) - or get Petronix, Hot-Spark, or some other drop-in > electronic replacement. > > I am not building a concours car. I want it to be reliable, running on > pump gas, with minimal roadside surprises. > > Thanks! > -Malcolm > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 10:20:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4F42D07C4 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:20:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 672722D04DE for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 13:58:39 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 13:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 13:58:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 13:58:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 889558.72192.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14727 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2012 13:58:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=iZlJMNlay2wnSQZ1Mx4xUY+k5D3Cf+VWj7qXyHt7WWvZXUaqDZMmXh3GGffAZd8BwwfKjqslTaHTetsi7SYZlJ1rOgKPxZbOqPeNof4OuGcayRVDHdhJoe5XDx9CBktCN/g/qMPSODxWsIxad/kFAP89bdIlaP0r4c9hXiPFLlw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342447118; bh=TMJCMGN9DP1PHn1pBJNBWxVMe0Huu9LkDUXUrp36vWk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=MjQ4l5C4eyRz5lJDyAf4FsFHH58N/Hb2yJohPUy0QMoF5fS0ysuQGGrta3FUTICrvPyQXAVxqjiaf1epuRMwzTWQuXMFppwsHCScQkI8Ki7uI1Lbn/mQwj2wvEmpl+4DqhMDkFZKXUmwJPTCvve1+ok/2fXT05cAArT9JD8VcbM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ep9vI4wVM1kTyNbDSBoenT0s20b8ZcXDdS9nuGSYZGWmBJb VPRNEjXyFhN1of5ca5xKSZYX_x8PVmIR9Bj5kznSR.qgoyVCKau6b0d63Uqb OEip10zL5NKszBvnMDFnSXWIRpC0QxrtjwWjZOaZvXvEMq.cqkG2iq69lOgh FkhpcnTubf4Vg7TjYT3YUCBGvjvOENSBFAFItK12y4TWWbIYl6l8Y8uu9Cdv 7yQU_v1fuhlA5tTGZKOQDUUEhz0h_J5dcna3bETpdth2Kr62zGHb12l6qn8V ccs0OOIjwrrAe0u0wQePeFQo6X0.J1g4pY4y5U66IZ4fxRQSrHAw4OsPWrxr QFYLgNwMESpbq47QL.JmfpXFBN7QgTnVcSPtWyTavoxZNQ2lv9IfJSolhpoU Yy1Ui7wmuJcDzz0I3X_rBlupwl7QOkPtUfjX_iLyCDqKi.YdBRo2YwTo3.Oj aDOrJBFBjiYF.B3OqBFwpU1bGq2JbV0_u8949qXuxAik9eCmNJp4vRzBJ8Hd ec9RYb03GCAp1nxzVFEvMaRNOR8xkkgBosl9x21U79qipHB00P12.UMKfpuK NeFR1rlT_ZnKEmZE21X.tLA3XJJz96SuCGS0iec.fcck1bVbiqrEGVbIhRey Vpwn9Hi5bMLXmMg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2012 06:58:38 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Malcolm'" , References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: <19597A5AA7624E4E9FBC1DD7037221EF@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1jMmSLA5XAZ+blRreTPp+0/xhLJgAJ7YSw Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Malcolm, You are right to think electrical as long as your fuel problem is not starvation. You should be able to check your timing with a light and see if the low and high RPM setting are within spec. Breaking down under a load, as you describe, seems more to point to one of the following: Points too closely set, bad plug(s), bad plug wires, weak coil or bad condenser. I would check through these things in this order and I bet you fix it so you can be on the road again by the weekend. Good luck, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) Hello list, It's been a very long time since I have sent a message to the team.net list Triumph. Some of you may remember me! Anyway, I have now got enough time on my hands to tinker again with my 1962 TR4. Also, this year it is fifty years old, so I feel somewhat obligated to pay attention to it. I've got a bunch of new parts on it now, including a stainless exhaust and new tacho/speedo cables, and have been trying to get it to run properly. I have fairly bad backfiring (through the carbs) under load when accelerating. I have balanced the carb inlets, the mixture seems OK, and I've done the static timing. I have new air filters (K&N) on order. I suspect that this is an ignition problem, though, and the Haynes manual is dismal when it comes to troubleshooting the distributor. Nearly every test involves "compare your stuff with new parts, and replace them if they are worn out". My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the distributor rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 30? Should it snap back to a position at rest or just flop around? I am trying to tell if the centrifugal advance springs need replacement. Will the K&N filters require me to fiddle with the timing? They are 56-9327: http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=56-9327 Has anyone got glowing recommendations, or horror stories, for electronic ignition? I've been scouring the Web and so far have not found a clear winner. I could rebuild the points (a la Distributor Doctor, or Advanced Distributors) - or get Petronix, Hot-Spark, or some other drop-in electronic replacement. I am not building a concours car. I want it to be reliable, running on pump gas, with minimal roadside surprises. Thanks! -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 10:29:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080B32D0CC6 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:29:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F292D0212 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so6282055yhr.14 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:18:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JmMXDSfoegnsB1zGUGspou2skivuPhhnKp4HQ0VV24Q=; b=cFv6DLN4Ta3ZMtFpUWfcKS2RK5nnoqBJda2bOW6ciCtIBMhUQhGHhN+OhCKiTtZcII kKW7iW6BwFlcJvQztWQPiEc0yICXSQuG8SmYupKrph4IJ42ghpTDt2IJKJqfSB1e2R0M Iae1a94SyE26VaRJa83sMmQ2KOWOhIyeqX6IuWE9l4srgOWYcd5dmbEtQ3j4DukWuIRy 291X3JwR6dSTcm4Y4CJr56RBAegbKB/EX/jq7ns9S+GosIkRmtlYq4LyKe4GCT54WY9r PnIjPZLHURlmD0JB/hKVl4Tbog4noUH8XMPso3so77OkRwsJQRE7W2GmdIMaxmnnioAa xDxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.230 with SMTP id y6mr5288809igm.20.1342448284416; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:18:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Malcolm X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Malcolm wrote: > My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the distributor > rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 30? Should it snap back to a > position at rest or just flop around? > As I recall the rotor should move about 100 on a correct TR4 distributor. When you move it I think you want it to snap back sharpish... if it is reluctant or 'flopping around' then it needs attention. You might look at the number on the distributor body as through the years it may have been swapped with something slightly different from original -- I'm thinking it would have been 40735A or 40795A. In any case, it is pretty simple to get the distributor on the bench and diassembled to the point of examining, cleaning and lightly lubing the weights and springs. There will probably be one 'thin' spring that sits secure on the posts and one 'fat' spring that fits loosely (because it doesn't come into play until advance has operated aways). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 12:16:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973E72D0502 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:16:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1EC2D08DB for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b3R51j0031u4NiLA33Rrud; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:25:51 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b3Rq1j0013uShJ48h3Rqfm; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:25:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:25:49 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Joe Alexander Message-ID: <767856156.91806.1342452349816.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <8CF3161FA748DB3-1010-A7D8E@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:02:16 AM > Subject: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR youtube link a TRAILER > 'California Air' is the Kas Kastner story of his competition years > with the > Triumph Factory. This is an exceptional documentary. > > It has, included, great footage of our 10th Running of The Kastner Cup > at Road > Atlanta. Additionally, if you joined us in your street TR for the > weekend, > there's also footage of the Triumph Corral and Triumph Track Tour. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 12:23:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7652D0B23 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:23:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E842D0405 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:25:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=oryKnJCVDu4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=e6N5jKXFAAAA:20 a=BX7vX8RZA4gDfCrGdVIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WCvo4n5d5X0A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7B/B5-13948-10334005; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:28:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Malcolm'" , References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:28:01 -0700 Message-ID: <10a901cd6367$96985780$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1jMlgHMwqyKFHUTpyUrv/aBga22QALawGg Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have fairly bad backfiring (through the carbs) under load when > accelerating. I have balanced the carb inlets, the mixture > seems OK, Just a thought, have you tried to check the mixture under the conditions where the problem happens? I'm wondering if perhaps you have a fuel delivery problem that is causing the mixture to go lean under load. I would also be looking at the wires inside the distributor. They flex constantly, so sometimes can break inside the insulation and be intermittent without being visibly bad. The test is to hook up an ohmmeter and gently tug on the wires. Note that there should be a ground wire between the moving point plate and the distributor body. You'll need to undo one of the mounting screws to check it. > My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the > distributor > rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 15 degrees is about right. > Should it snap back to a > position at rest or just flop around? It should spring back at least partially. I wouldn't describe it as a 'snap' though, and usually it won't go all the way. > I am trying to tell if the > centrifugal advance springs need replacement. One good overall test is to put a timing light on the engine while you slowly rev it up and back down. It's not even really necessary to mark the pulley for the various advance points, just watch that the TDC hole moves smoothly to the right as rpm increases, and back to the left as you let it down. If it flops to full advance, or jumps around all over the place, or doesn't move at all, you've got a sick distributor. The main point is how the mark behaves, I generally don't bother trying to check the amount of advance. But if you want to, I've put some curves up at http://goo.gl/4LcFq for a few of the various TR distributors. (The list is not exhaustive, so your car may be wearing something else.) Note that the figures given are in distributor degrees and rpm, which is one half of what you will measure at the crankshaft. IIRC each 1/4" on the edge of the pulley is roughly equal to 5 (crankshaft) degrees of advance. Also, if the car has been stored a long time, it is probably worthwhile to disassemble the distributor to clean and lubricate it. Putting a few drops of oil under the rotor will keep it lubed if done on a regular basis, but of course that didn't happen while it was stored. I like to put good quality grease inside the pivot points and where the weights rub on the support plate. I'm kind of sour on electronic ignitions at this point. They do have some advantages of course, including less maintenance required but the overall reliability seems about the same as points to me. I am currently running points in my "daily driver" TR3, after having some weird problems with the Pertronix. The Pertronix will apparently not fire the plugs when the battery voltage is way down (but still high enough to turn the starter). The root cause was a bad battery, but it started fine on points while it would just crank and crank with the Pertronix. That's not my only misadventure with electronic ignition, just the most recent one. Points will still fire even when the battery is way too dead to turn the engine. I proved that again just a few weeks ago, when I accidentally left the lights on while I went in to work. By the time I tried to leave, the (gear drive) starter would only grunt. Even the warning light on the dash was way dim. I set the choke, pushed the car up to walking speed, jumped in and popped the clutch. It caught first time, and I drove it home. Of course, not long after I switched back to points, the condenser died. Guess maybe I should have put a new one in to begin with, instead of keeping the 40+ year old one that was with the car when I got it. But a spare set of points & condenser are a lot cheaper (free if you save the "known good" ones from your last tune-up) than carrying a spare electronic ignition. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 12:54:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18A72D042A for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:54:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81D02D09AA; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120716161930.GEMZ30946.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306.cox.net>; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:19:30 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.156.141]) by fed1rmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id b4Ck1j00B33KL3J034CkPD; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:12:44 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.50043F12.003B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=2cp5XZ03M2vnUJocAhlMkaMaDoAobX7R+Csg6TPaHnA= c=0 sm=1 p=8ibRQlLlAAAA:8 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=XzopSdkLhwSzKXWwlV3ffQ==:17 a=4H6zD49qAAAA:8 a=qI-sqkvjAAAA:8 a=XzopSdkLhwSzKXWwlV3ffQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 100.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , "'Triumph List'" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1jbT0FDpmx0HNrQq6Y1IPFsP3U+AAAT65w X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] FW: ***PayPal Notice : TODKVODMTI X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Attention: Anyone receiving any messages from an internet domain "company.info" send it to your trash. 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Frank To: Joe Alexander Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR I'm in. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:02:16 AM > Subject: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR youtube link a TRAILER > 'California Air' is the Kas Kastner story of his competition years > with the > Triumph Factory. This is an exceptional documentary. > > It has, included, great footage of our 10th Running of The Kastner Cup > at Road > Atlanta. Additionally, if you joined us in your street TR for the > weekend, > there's also footage of the Triumph Corral and Triumph Track Tour. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 15:41:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7E02D11CB for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:41:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638032D0987 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6GIUxug001871; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:30:59 -0400 Received: from core-msc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.193]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 40CB9E000090; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:30:59 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF3161FA748DB3-1010-A7D8E@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> <767856156.91806.1342452349816.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1342463065.33039.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com, pethier@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <1342463065.33039.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.26) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:30:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36542-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF3198472169DF-1010-B03A2@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.5.155] Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:30:59 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342463459; bh=as29j3IIB7doGuygigSTRkD2DGsCqD0gxw/BRDFcaLw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JD+scJ9U/D9m4ALNc6kJz5Gw1dYT6dZ5E4zjjn6WG5MaDEJlmr+SRdMQiUkgQE0m9 JPoVPcl2q6nLYddTbKooNcFMAXPVHNEvKSaLU77W7vppgr+uiuT78ZFR4ibGS1JmBM RrJSVayvXADuHMsIMIiHvMkXLDnGgPl/fkypgomI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456074016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d50045de30d01 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Frank, when you get your copy of the DVD, you will find it a great story. Hugely entertaining. Also, you will find great footage of both the Kastner Cup folks and the VTR folks in the paddock and in the corral. Historic moment was captured on tape when Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius greeted each other warmly after 20+ years. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher To: pethier ; Joe Alexander Cc: triumphs Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR are you suggesting that the sweet smoky smell we have in the air here in California also enhances automotive performance? Frank From: "pethier@comcast.net" To: Joe Alexander Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR I'm in. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:02:16 AM > Subject: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR youtube link a TRAILER > 'California Air' is the Kas Kastner story of his competition years > with the > Triumph Factory. This is an exceptional documentary. > > It has, included, great footage of our 10th Running of The Kastner Cup > at Road > Atlanta. Additionally, if you joined us in your street TR for the > weekend, > there's also footage of the Triumph Corral and Triumph Track Tour. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 15:53:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BFD2D1042 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:53:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2200C2D0D27 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 18:50:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 18:50:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2012 18:50:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 154654.58020.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64617 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2012 18:50:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342464604; bh=0aObPkZJdL7hhZymcD7+Qs8EmGRDW8w5/acTLw5A/gY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wm2sPuvY/7L9QZfGEifu/3jFjR4TTvvbX39Bp7yKwpbeNLKgTPXnAFh6+QRBFmuVntww4/xVTnJBXbm6Fa49Irc7daXohIX6IIpZ3XmwIX3mQ9fk+r70axTlWpsvJiqWpnmqLZYxwyrJtL72mWd/b4bxse8qOS+lQRBmF5E7FzE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g9Czy5Zzd+dltk1ZuJv8vCwSXSBzaQsXhZe9YPKwFx4KzGq9XsPQe0ba0jfbbdVirMnuXoSdrj7K8YbkybOANbPy2AELq7nGCyoNtynBiUdqRn1c4QwrVYID5Tzr1uQEEXUrAHNM+aVfnvx22QviDiGu5OE+KqF/wE/fpKzr3LY=; X-YMail-OSG: O_0VYn0VM1lAtXqvdhA_vQbJ5ftqrqJ8ABhbaJlbHqSNaWD tqQVYGmHJHobxiIi9UB_lv6S_ter6tGFA.WUwgyKjnEihABl0osUzLLtl648 i4ZccQA6QXR3BCdLz8B610Ns3BssXcAynhVH8O79LcCrsxdEdf5yYuEC5qPc WAKb0D7_XCwEb19AxA7dkKaqHkd4s.AZOqEkZnIBvTyYpbclHsEx6HVdk.H9 2Vt02t3fVVvsJJmw3aoRMKax86Qrs365t5vSbTzQGo0F8cyrfW0adPPFwmF0 NSl8V4j7.zHadDajRgwXAOuuHLIL9XtChxDd3PfJNg_2zWWyTIsZUAgz276u 6kmS7jEO5QASiu2ifYEEWq7GCU19ysU.xlexRBuEwnvbz0_D2DpBzNgOqm1v _AGrxYWVI2CpjJu5OBU4VdfsyP53b8JGzHYRcPg1Xe_Slu_o1Det1X0qbf11 p_irGq7klh2clx4qb_jM79Dc8dnOPxHYBsNLu0oMX5FMms3Xd6quICloelmd dDVUu1buTx4s1OBqQZdbM6xLqVqP5mp5_Q3xZGV.WldEa8sztX9EcZ9yz1qq l2KzGI_j0OVAl7NNRd9aI3nuOW0wDodv8CQWXviUKHeiMDp65lK5OVvwcVnm .aplGa2fR579aDQjTKxnMth.xeadUiK6Z5vmMX4ouOFZYBphpvvjYWWgDBWY vz5cjg_2bs1C8xK4LXKNXqcSqUy0tqixgNG4Soo10CzauFDSnl3BnDfulnZM xvstR_u4EIxT31k1gpWoblKZ1d6QIq_2OczcASI.sdt8h2SyJDiE6IUtt1Q9 OPdCwG3IGKOE- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:50:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <8CF3161FA748DB3-1010-A7D8E@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> <767856156.91806.1342452349816.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1342463065.33039.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF3198472169DF-1010-B03A2@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1342464601.45245.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Joe Alexander , "pethier@comcast.net" In-Reply-To: <8CF3198472169DF-1010-B03A2@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe does it come complete with the vegetation required to replicate California air? Frank ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com; pethier@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR Frank, when you get your copy of the DVD, you will find it a great story. Hugely entertaining. Also, you will find great footage of both the Kastner Cup folks and the VTR folks in the paddock and in the corral. Historic moment was captured on tape when Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius greeted each other warmly after 20+ years. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher To: pethier ; Joe Alexander Cc: triumphs Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR are you suggesting that the sweet smoky smell we have in the air here in California also enhances automotive performance? Frank To: Joe Alexander Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR I'm in. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:02:16 AM > Subject: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR youtube link a TRAILER > 'California Air' is the Kas Kastner story of his competition years > with the > Triumph Factory. This is an exceptional documentary. > > It has, included, great footage of our 10th Running of The Kastner Cup > at Road > Atlanta. Additionally, if you joined us in your street TR for the > weekend, > there's also footage of the Triumph Corral and Triumph Track Tour. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 16:04:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FDA2D0E48 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:04:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997072D0B5F for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b6US1j0031smiN4AC71dwK; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:01:37 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b71d1j00H3uShJ48g71dYq; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:01:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:01:37 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Joe Alexander Message-ID: <886994748.104204.1342465297457.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <8CF3198472169DF-1010-B03A2@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] CALIFORNIA AIR X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Historic moment was captured on tape when Kas Kastner and Bob Tullius > greeted each other warmly after 20+ years. So it's not a Hollywood movie, then? They would have had one of them slugging the other for that unwanted bump-draft at the Runoffs in 1972. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 18:11:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C802D02D5 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:11:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi171.prodigy.net (nlpi171.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790C82D030C for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:44:58 -0600 (MDT) X-ORBL: [75.35.79.203] Received: from [192.168.2.4] (adsl-75-35-79-203.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [75.35.79.203]) by nlpi171.prodigy.net (8.14.4 biz_spool_out_ldap/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6GJl92W010900 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:47:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <2A19495F-D40C-4848-85D6-C2AFCF90DAA1@earthlink.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Andy Graybeal Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:47:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: [TR] TR4 braking effort X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been told by my son that my brakes are no good--too hard to stop. I've never thought about it myself, but maybe it is hard to stop. I installed Repco pads to keep my wheels from getting so dusty (and, of course, for fade free operation). In my everyday driving, I seldom find myself slamming on the brakes, but on the odd occasion that happens, I manage to pull it down. Would the Repco pads be better replaced with stock? The only competition I've run the car in is autocross. Andy Graybeal ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 19:50:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7572D13A6 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:50:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD12C2C0B7F for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bC0X1j0020bG4ec56C3rbv; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:03:51 +0000 Received: from sz0012.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bC3q1j00H2xV5no3PC3qfj; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:03:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) From: pdqtr6@comcast.net To: Triumphs Message-ID: <1571535190.1784406.1342483428718.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.28.35.67] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] The Gecko is Truly Cool... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just saw an ad from GEICO where the Gecko is driving around in a red TR3 (a plastic model - not mine).B The model isn't perfect, but it's close enough for TV.B Something to watch for... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 19:57:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFC22D0656 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:57:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A502C0CCB for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:22:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=AtpsLZBP c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=pXWAqF0pr6zJUvc4W7QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:60018] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 96/D0-09809-DD0B4005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:25:02 +0000 Message-ID: <7E5306B8A8154CBBAE994CDF921275AB@GregPC> From: "Greg Lemon" To: , "Andy Graybeal" References: <2A19495F-D40C-4848-85D6-C2AFCF90DAA1@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <2A19495F-D40C-4848-85D6-C2AFCF90DAA1@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:25:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 braking effort X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, I had repco mettalic pads on my TR4A a long time ago, don't know if you have the same composition, but they did not have much initial bite from cold, they were really good when warmed up, you may be better off with stock for street use, or one of the more modern materials (ceramic??) that has some of the high performance benefits without the cold use drawbacks. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 21:23:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB842D0A41 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:23:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60C62D03AC for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=u4dOgqt68e7vt6cdYCQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:49617] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 46/6E-17657-6CDB4005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:20:07 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andy Graybeal'" , References: <2A19495F-D40C-4848-85D6-C2AFCF90DAA1@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <2A19495F-D40C-4848-85D6-C2AFCF90DAA1@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:19:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002901cd63ba$478c5b20$d6a51160$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1jsXeRJrCB3IsDQzSTJ7p6GJrYMgAB61/Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 braking effort X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I've been told by my son that my brakes are no good--too hard to > stop. I've never thought about it myself, but maybe it is hard to > stop. I'll suggest a simple test: Find a deserted stretch of road (at least no one close behind you), then do a straight line panic stop from around 45 mph. You should be able to lock both front wheels if you want to, then with just a tad more pressure lock both rears as well. If so, the brakes are darn near perfect. If not, the skid marks on the pavement (or lack thereof) will tell you what needs to be fixed. Obviously, keep your wits about you. If the car starts to do something bad (like pull to one side or lock one wheel), get your foot off the brake pedal not stomp it harder. This is also good practice for a real panic stop. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 21:28:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28172D0A3A for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:28:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D72D021B for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU162-W33 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:32:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.170.190.117] From: tom white To: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:32:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2012 01:32:50.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[14239490:01CD63BC] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Wheel bear adjustment. X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Some time ago I adopted the practice of torquing the castle nuts for the wheel bearings on my TR3A to 10 Ft. Lbs. and then backing off one notch before pinning them. I found last week that my wheel bearings and races were heat checked and grooved. I now consider the tightening practice I used to be too tight. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 16 21:36:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229472D1340 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A1502D1463 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 01:50:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.3] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 01:50:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 01:50:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342489854; bh=FmSbbqA1N7DatG8FZ2LXM1JBhTDubm6t7hWHFtJP7sE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Vzsz2z4xlY94rQvNXnmkiQxLKKA3PMXuOVebtPRVI/4BosCDPxM/7HCarajrZgxj1bawlHRXJGMtHRLF3xzw4m6DCXIRNhmIpKktFMADZPkoDcOw/apTtnirCjVkz+Btag9RmCbkuTowkA3nT36FkAyBXLUPhTjTgrVH469ybMM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 618237.68028.bm@smtp103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wHFtJwsVM1lSosV2IcCCTtdrwGY0ajBJJrTn7OZ7vbE44Cc 1ewQhgjfLqOADGt39XIwee1R4Lb0m9TB_68fS0g0fQPSDZB5PmKa7iUvCo_o rbpc1wzVepLr3nmYAkoeJ2ORFu_qgCtyCsA9YEOCy0Y5GmTEqvIKd63fmx0I 55kLRfrcobRyd9A0bV2VOe39HqY5M1ffq7_Xh7aWPXqUEZobWP_D40A759nA XiIhU0XrIf3ryZmCUG0xeKgOFhcsVeDh0x8DqWocl7cYVF22BFW4obA4l5Kr RYNJuhOfk0ysTP7TgNYP98AQfq.dPezgQey52ne0z9bgwO8ViXaZqPtlmNel Uj3uon5nzunhv.lLb.7twK6cZ3v3L6nSqtnnEixH8v53G4OrzdBPBClm62Jz Q4VbNGYdbhcN1bNCbXpbKNiTxiWXhLLpZMU6Xa33PWCnRVbqIPYP0guqUf2d zhv2WZ_kYmqOoM5EbTPwFqZx.S4hdpwzAMXVMeqVu2NbT2gUZV2MS6lrtum4 kO2sh0eHX5K_JgzD7RBnQ7KPfgthkGQhCL8iRz6OD.G5FVujXVcSjXNxU1Yz 4Z.Q3jUGnXqMKfkheWLji X-Yahoo-SMTP: MDGza_qswBAgyXr4jGOoN7xw7ESbp_tRSUhNZ0MvX6drvGE- Received: from bboffice (bill_beecher@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2012 18:50:53 -0700 PDT From: To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:50:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1C22F3110D3040879BCEDD3F94F8BA3A@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1jvfizHRsbgHXyRaG6w/jfY3xQXw== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Early TR3A on eBay X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody know this car? Is supposed to belong to the president of the SoCal Triumph Owners Assoc. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CA-Black-Plate-Exquisitely-Preserved-Factory- Hard-Soft-Top-Overdrive-No-Reserve-/130731847682?pt=US_Cars_Trucks &hash=item1e7039b002 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 01:59:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EA82D099D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:59:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B322C0D49 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhq4 with SMTP id hq4so15607wib.2 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Au4fhNFwFfxeBwnc4MvlKCtuiKcjhq89S9IB6HSwoP8=; b=KlS037xHECfWhcwZT/WzVizhXI9naR8ZS77RT3Armr6oa/m2oqYscVX5c80aY73PeX p07gzpkgQLEuddUlJIKYwn6yaWG+tDNENVMyOnaONGh/OxKWeuu034GH4Xti2QG3PELQ yUDyjk34DeHN5rzPVkLJ16/PpcQpjxWGl3XiU5KV0KJl5GzMnRi+ER8voNe7xkrJvPpM BN/JbRQO9oX4cWhcCyz0IKJatKQlb14lusw6c4MTwf/MBKWmWod4LLidBPuNoBPgNxtd IqGi8U2LBEHnHIrCqZEzosqp9vlfLY+kgkvilhPFYZo8ixRbQmMipMFtyCQiIu4QG/aD d6pA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.24.85 with SMTP id w63mr591810wew.145.1342503018134; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.233.233 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:30:18 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mfqd3P0BOVsDI35-kPBARNTWSkc Message-ID: From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all. Chris, I will probably do this tomorrow. I filed the points and set the gap today, the car runs a lot better. Only an occasional stumble on acceleration. Also retuned the carbs (rear one was running rich) and advanced the timing a lot. I've also bought a new set of points and a condenser. I'd like to buy a "better" coil, since mine is probably fifty years old. Does anyone have any recommendations? M On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > No harm in removing the two screws and pulling off your contact breaker > plate. Make sure the weights move and the springs are intact. If you have > a mightyvac you should test your vac advance, too. I recently had the > rivet in a rotor come loose and was ground up into what looked like a small > wad of steel wool. > On Jul 16, 2012 5:06 AM, "Malcolm" wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> It's been a very long time since I have sent a message to the team.netlist >> Triumph. Some of you may remember me! >> >> Anyway, I have now got enough time on my hands to tinker again with my >> 1962 >> TR4. Also, this year it is fifty years old, so I feel somewhat obligated >> to pay attention to it. I've got a bunch of new parts on it now, >> including >> a stainless exhaust and new tacho/speedo cables, and have been trying to >> get it to run properly. >> >> I have fairly bad backfiring (through the carbs) under load when >> accelerating. I have balanced the carb inlets, the mixture seems OK, and >> I've done the static timing. I have new air filters (K&N) on order. I >> suspect that this is an ignition problem, though, and the Haynes manual is >> dismal when it comes to troubleshooting the distributor. Nearly every >> test >> involves "compare your stuff with new parts, and replace them if they are >> worn out". >> >> My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the distributor >> rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 30? Should it snap back to a >> position at rest or just flop around? I am trying to tell if the >> centrifugal advance springs need replacement. >> >> Will the K&N filters require me to fiddle with the timing? They are >> 56-9327: http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=56-9327 >> >> Has anyone got glowing recommendations, or horror stories, for electronic >> ignition? I've been scouring the Web and so far have not found a clear >> winner. I could rebuild the points (a la Distributor Doctor, or Advanced >> Distributors) - or get Petronix, Hot-Spark, or some other drop-in >> electronic replacement. >> >> I am not building a concours car. I want it to be reliable, running on >> pump gas, with minimal roadside surprises. >> >> Thanks! >> -Malcolm >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 02:06:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923152D0E10 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 02:06:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A522C0526 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so26051wey.14 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nRPQgcUtIzeNFLB3tQJ2jZrfaFIKEZSe0jYqqTEIXlQ=; b=JQYZxBJxH+fu2P3+tlJJfzJI0MH+O21WFl5afhIsoN9895UYtYV7cGm7/u6JIfcgUd 5Yb7tom1Edm/iVBCgpwLWnDDE5sc2BWD4Aq0lAeM8TjIegGlRVhJygrbGzBEC5b1S+b2 5h6ZQv5KoGPAyV7YZZoziJbc4NEWY/jGITOrliYBiOTkyNpnduB4P3tV/JX8flTyI07q tR1l+3XPNuWWLHpM7EL1gBb+7m6xymtsSx59Pu5Belv0/4RHfgxL8PW99e1z1zUJQRGA yMYWzQBJspdAgZv9/fOhbSLfdaSX4yt6VyyaIqgmoL36pJ5NDpb9WCp6ntaWzSLAZas8 PXsQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.143.105 with SMTP id k83mr534436wej.99.1342503602918; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.233.233 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:02 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vtYVwFIl-L_B938FHGddHR58RQw Message-ID: From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Geo. I tried the rotor again tonight and it does return back, although it's not snappy like I would hope. I also ran the car with the timing light and saw that it is floating a bit at idle. I've got new points to try, and I'll replace the coil, but I foresee a rebuild in my future. M On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Malcolm wrote: > >> My big question is: how much should I be able to rotate the distributor >> rotor? A little? A lot? 15 degrees? 30? Should it snap back to a >> position at rest or just flop around? >> > > > As I recall the rotor should move about 100 on a correct TR4 > distributor. When you move it I think you want it to snap back > sharpish... if it is reluctant or 'flopping around' then it needs attention. > > You might look at the number on the distributor body as through the years > it may have been swapped with something slightly different from original -- > I'm thinking it would have been 40735A or 40795A. > > In any case, it is pretty simple to get the distributor on the bench and > diassembled to the point of examining, cleaning and lightly lubing the > weights and springs. There will probably be one 'thin' spring that sits > secure on the posts and one 'fat' spring that fits loosely (because it > doesn't come into play until advance has operated aways). > > Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 03:28:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BF92D06DD for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:28:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB772D0800 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:02:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=VsBUwjg7CPjoZZrSS6YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 69/93-17657-56E05005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:04:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <1C22F3110D3040879BCEDD3F94F8BA3A@bboffice> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:04:05 -0700 Message-ID: <119d01cd63ea$5b1da920$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1C22F3110D3040879BCEDD3F94F8BA3A@bboffice> Thread-Index: Ac1jvfizHRsbgHXyRaG6w/jfY3xQXwAJYRaA Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR3A on eBay X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Anybody know this car? Is supposed to belong to the > president of the SoCal > Triumph Owners Assoc. Well, I at least know of it. The owner is not currently president of SCTOA, but has served several terms in that capacity and is still on the board. I'm a bit surprised to see it on eBay, but she did mention some months ago that she was thinking of selling it. Last time I saw her drive it was several years ago, and she was having some mild troubles with the clutch slave leaking. But I'm sure she took it to Britalia the next day and had it professionally tended to. BTW, I'm pretty sure that is not the original paint, even though the ad might give that impression. She also has a TR4 and Morgan +8, which are seen at club events much more often than the 3A. Email me off list if you would like contact information. It's too late to call tonight and I'm not comfortable posting it on the list without her permission, even though it's been inside the front cover of practically every edition of the club newsletter for many years now. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 07:10:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2CE2D0CEB for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:09:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5F02D0D04 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:57:29 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=tiac.net; b=ClKWhx322r3hihCju1aeJ2isSYj99GFZlkRBzvH6IbhsmlwmvYTAITxNI0l6tLpr; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Mime-version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [98.229.128.116] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Sr5VH-00083S-OT for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:59:44 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:59:40 -0400 From: Michael Godley To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: TR Ignition Mime-version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 68b6991034dd0a427e0e430ab6949eaa93f0e4cebbc0f0267844838bb63f80a8548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 98.229.128.116 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR Ignition X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Welcome back Malcolm "Has anyone got glowing recommendations, or horror stories, for electronic ignition? I could rebuild the points (a la Distributor Doctor, or Advanced Distributors) - or get Petronix, Hot-Spark, or some other drop-in electronic replacement" The electronic ignition replaces the points and helps if the shaft is wobbly due to worn bearings .but won't improve performance loss due to a broken vacuum advance system. I was back and forth on this one, and even ran the very reliable Allison Opto Electric (now Crane) system for many years. Sent the distributor to Advanced for a rebuild with points what an improvement. The advance was not functioning properly, and Jeff has and improved advance curve he developed, along with rotors that don't fail at the rivets. The car has never run better. Pertronix seems to be the most popular electronic system, and often discussed in the past. Quite a few of the folks with that system have a "backup" that is essentially a distributor plate with set of points ready to install if the electronic system fails .which they do/did often enough that folks felt this was necessary. So MHO is get it rebuilt with points or have the e-ignition supplied installed and bench tested at the time of rebuild. Personally, I stayed with points to keep things simple and reliable for the time being. "I'd like to buy a "better" coil, since mine is probably fifty years old. Does anyone have any recommendations?" You might want to make a decision on the electronic ignition first as some require a ballasted or non ballasted Coil set-up (can't recall which) which is different than the stock configuration. Mike Godley 65TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 07:17:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B472D0DC2 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:17:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AEA2D08FB for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.100.23.244]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M7A006F3Y7CTC0U@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:21:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <1571535190.1784406.1342483428718.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-reply-to: <1571535190.1784406.1342483428718.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:20:43 -0400 Organization: Carl Message-id: <002701cd640e$34e5af40$9eb10dc0$@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-index: AQH1v0gfgOj2yme+BlSk49vf8wWmjpbcnQqw Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] The Gecko is Truly Cool... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That ad has been around for some time here in FL. To me it is closer to a MGA (maybe with a Healey front nose) than a '3. Regardless it does promote LBC's... Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pdqtr6@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:04 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] The Gecko is Truly Cool... I just saw an ad from GEICO where the Gecko is driving around in a red TR3 (a plastic model - not mine).B The model isn't perfect, but it's close enough for TV.B Something to watch for... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 08:33:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0E2D0C5B for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:33:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053F42D100C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:59:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=kb1MuJKOTQc5li8ZD2V1lQ==:17 a=63NOriMuWKsA:10 a=IoAI9rfztR8A:10 a=oryKnJCVDu4A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=PocPXltFDnFiaAKAWv4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=kb1MuJKOTQc5li8ZD2V1lQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 67.242.9.253 Received: from [67.242.9.253] ([67.242.9.253:37090] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A1/45-13948-82455005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:01:44 +0000 Message-ID: <5005541B.7070501@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:01:31 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Malcolm References: In-Reply-To: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Malcolm, I use the Lucas sport coils on all my Triumphs. I have never had a failure. I have heard that some have had the sport coil fail. Now on my 3 and 4, I have mounted the coil on the inside of the fender well in order to keep it cooler than it would be on the block. I am not sure it has helped but no failures yet. I wanted to do the same on the 6 but because of the 6 cyl engine's length and the position of the distributor, the distance from a potential coil mount similar to the 4 would make a very long connection from the coil to the distributor. So that coil is still mounted on the block. Petronix makes the flame thrower coil. Maybe others will chime in on their coil choice. Bob On 07/17/2012 01:30 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Thanks all. Chris, I will probably do this tomorrow. > > I filed the points and set the gap today, the car runs a lot better. Only > an occasional stumble on acceleration. Also retuned the carbs (rear one > was running rich) and advanced the timing a lot. > > I've also bought a new set of points and a condenser. > > I'd like to buy a "better" coil, since mine is probably fifty years old. > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > M ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 08:38:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D7D2D08C1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:38:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE302D05C0 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (69.0.55.143.adsl.snet.net [69.0.55.143]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M6BSU-1Tp74l0Rcw-00xV61; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:07:30 -0400 X-Vipre-Scanned: 03844EBD002FE40384500A-TDI Message-ID: From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:8qe1tGhXvDqBOrWCJwd1cWvbwt4TrsJlCDFhO6ZUQaN OxKVMvYUst/mld1rbkUW0obzoPo+LmWNk6Onhc8ZR7jYCtp3fg RrKfaCGxGA2ZLQQuH4tSRP2GRxTgJWpCjgfbRqbHjogmLl3xGI ed1eHu+7hTnYvSQWDtgkUeUDY/SdgPCwWWXVB/70qtftVjk7Ed OhKeHEEhUGh/9KxHsnbaF3BPnlkIYSlQ6Q3+5GwawjEB5yOgyZ 0NKhXl+lnpUTP9y6w/nKjyo4CgOyTK27Cu52J7F5264v16enmq N9icfSePtTCiFbCKRNj/5Jh5kxuwGMvAgpKLjOY1OKoVkl2ijU gCHkr4x3V21NMV1NshDhyAA6BbxLtCgsElaN2y7Im X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Awful tragedy..... http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719699/1350 Did anyone know this person? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 11:31:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3172D06EA for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:31:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F38E2C0459 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.237] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 15:48:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 580000.79741.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45128 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2012 15:48:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1342540126; bh=lQw58ji+X74aeH2IlA+nG3V7s8VmB96Yl77LiujeLTE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lmYC2BDshn3AJllK0fVt8POeb6WNcwDoMc/oBlib6hnNZ5W31p+LDc4EG6d9yx5q2asEasYqy/BTJYoqZJf4+mZJC5zqaHeWna9a9XwzZDJdFCFtR8gd/HryKwq1glq/mWUbpnzgm1aMGjNmtyUFMf90wlWJf8Yxz9UHneiuTgY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iYfXfUudeQTqAS6MMlmW9rZXoauWDUvb/xDwlYV+8Is6OUc7HQUSRMifCYLwW6rS9j4M4tXs3Bx6eYiYe4OwX4dY8qRsDRKSrXvxPSvFcM8s/klyJ6DnxEgsu7BSggeFoAzmMwdE1u0fTkgGpRm1vw9zHKCePKjrZPbYBM4sNq0=; X-YMail-OSG: uBphs3YVM1nF54vpHYTRtP82tXqUkZMXVio29RWGbQiOQ4v vE7pc9JRGyHMFqpzAQbOsLKb7izoOMqY7Acke83CjM5tSMkwwSwiyVN8CDFP KNCDCWWVjzbAJhGdK2_IE74ZqTZUD2HRlfZxk1WOUFE2m6tMfyf6wZ41qLOH bVwM4UyZMMWX0UCGmCxifaVH40NLNDOZjYMo5ylpubx2E_s.OOCZlFRuv3gS rScWZm7U68w6zEx1o.eX9FQApfwxfNdXBcyp_.QMVKXwiWthWCw_CoSG66hp tRnfmqnGOMk5enPaTInurX69SL6LUbvVliPdVYlWD2.94ByMt2hGHISZbrYa SsqYv2r8ArzZV_5Xo5_G.wua9ZvBWNK_Rkk.QXok.4BhgVKC2GtKE5ogPgYh Q5sBgj45CfKhrHrwCV5_6_FR3GR8_yIeFS9n_uLyX6o9SO2GtAUrReFuTjrI WW04CPUZjZBU3BiJy8Xv1cwNZDaFAHXcj7ECXFBoW.xdzilUQs0kS7mqMaKc rmQNi247LK0ywUbTot2OjxxTb4h5dEbN7v05WeTvbH0V77qTmPIhfuw-- Received: from [90.199.100.102] by web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:48:46 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342540126.34869.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:48:46 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Bob Danielson <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Detention for a long, long time and throw away the key. These perople deserve everything a Court throws at them. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Bob Danielson <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 13:07 Subject: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident >Awful tragedy..... >http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719699/1350 Did >anyone know this person? > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 11:34:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BCB2D0776 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:34:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0700A2D0799 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32so452722qad.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QJM/VAxkMdCMgwh5UlxfETYbHBoevKBE4Sm0mLhCPi4=; b=A89Rp1woTlJ0ZbYkbFxcETU7b4O0hsS/Cj9eIA5s3jQyNHBsk0d3dzNkBbn1LUpVhI HoGC4kO7iShG9UmWTBR+GR8ruCPcfuHwDhhZlhu5K8XO0TjKoUKAqXx82y34dc9mIUNS 3h6USvS4JxPQaK0X3nlrLOFUo/ztIsp0bzJM1x7TcDAyToA3wbv62bnwjfcht5OnK9qp z0/fApaWMfge5XlDeaFD+VZc/uar6QYL7O6+NeJNAnr/iWAan+MkG/8gB9qU8/uVnaht x04jv2W4/NIa1symtT6TX2ltVYIuBIDGELsochDS6z3Vj31iP+AeEzwpeAkyxA0ozkRf 4H2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.182.232 with SMTP id eh8mr1855511igc.48.1342540942608; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.237.74 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:02:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jim Wallace To: triumphs@autox.team.net, malcolm@ipatch.ca X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Malcolm, I have a glowing recommendation. I used a Crane electronic ignition in my 72 VW camper and am very pleased. I think it's the Fireball XR-700. Instead of points, this system uses a disc with slits in it that slides onto the distributor cam. There is an LED and sensor, and the disc rotates between them, so the coil fires whenever the beam of light goes through a slit. A bit hard to describe but simple when you see it. A major benefit is that it does not care about distributor shaft wobble, which I had. I also had a scored cam, which wore down my points quickly, and now this is not an issue. Your centrifugal and vacuum advances still do have to work properly. My idle is now rock steady and the timing light gives a very narrow beam at all speeds. Also - there have been enough reports about failing Pertronix units (magnets falling out) that I wanted to stay away from those. Jim > From: Malcolm > > ......Has anyone got glowing recommendations, or horror stories, for > electronic > ignition? I've been scouring the Web and so far have not found a clear > winner. I could rebuild the points (a la Distributor Doctor, or Advanced > Distributors) - or get Petronix, Hot-Spark, or some other drop-in > electronic replacement. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 11:59:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2482D068D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:59:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D162D2D0648 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:16:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.166] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:16:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:16:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 812692.1925.bm@omp1022.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8850 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2012 16:16:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342541785; bh=esa0EglsG4xAvgFgjFNSRxYfi9CIgtHA4VXEupsMcs0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mnse2laZWdH+0OHuovzJpakHadJy8a5YNboym5vrviwGP19Kp/O1BwBY0KHrILz/f2m4TwmNX3oc/q0WnTwBZ8oAflHjMekQtlpnBol+6El+WMtb6ye6ajz0c/9BnpFb6NJ5zkW4R6l4LkdeCzrXCicUsgqmEAyX7XJ3QJ5gzdE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FebnSBiyovHAReFaT1IqiDcH95Rpp7nur/TM/RbZgTbHZJl3XSR0vy9EZl/6236sUSfWNMeID7viyFpdp5SYBtbwQWGoRnX0W6fJmDovAObX7LVwA2ypO4hMNf9Zcaib+xNDn3/CqlpuDNkLHsekVwMRI5fBOLXRcY/gOozVXqo=; X-YMail-OSG: 5sIBgO8VM1lyJLEnZUUBlb9vVIjZ28gs7HrLt5Z92QRAxw7 A3Vj0y5DFFUaWiQh0YIFwfBitIiDTvkaPQVmvUO6t0HJQkCEsa_DwgX_CAWg 6kGqHfTqfPaQv841gQZ3SQd0hShzxzT0YQq7sjMbkpPEl1oAm7pxdY2QdEeL 6HSd0BM9Qj92MIwvPpMBtBgjbGf0zY_G_ijjb3dvKlZz5zvrmg9ydVNX46dD 0yJgfPUdMJ_pFBusO2lLDb8ZtYCgk3blwuXiNxRKiaLnWtTXh3NN5vTC4jz1 QXQijYXL4k1ShyDWs2DcJV.PRC46d4oxtRRapn4fXw06rjLkPjPh65OnGYf7 KMfVeBdVHY9AWlaIIdSLtuzh2MlNM4Ynpv7uq5vKRTcXTriMYi7BGxDmc3xq i3NN4NKmuT4i6cLVSwAfe7u_txNunCB8yFN_URQ-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:16:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342541785.94129.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] tr3 starter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net every now again when i press the starter button, the starter motor whines and spins but does not engage. try it again and it spins, maybe one or 2 more times and it engages and starts the engine. i think i just need to clean pinion shaft? no?? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:02:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAF42D06CF for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:02:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7359E2D061D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:10:59 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1342545183; x=1343149983; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=0u/tbQMp43OQBk3Wxo4tDnv0gIxbLX2MenQ2IxGi0pE=; b=Qy5 WyYRkc58HYMjFRkPN5rdvYF2KgwUSLgiVJGYd6OLtlt25KjmvjBrSBKCkqaiQeZF J/7pJt/9rM+ATVfX0aENk7Arm1lfezBZqeU1mPaktN3R/2nAE2YzsjavNATVFqnK 3djd5i3c2KyxWn+Azl+lNt6IXLkrwr8fLNSA5wDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=tNutkZSLn+K2cC8W4WMe1uITlghwbwz3xoOmfQIkScy0o45GS0UtZPT1sGBw bd+NoASVBa+UoDVdZn1GnoNewqgGbhCY1QokQA4cRh3JMDLyEGBQDci1Y bQPpF2rLpJCegWUglX1MDBP6sTqhN4bs2+BQZ7LAuwwbTJyWgBY3F8=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:13:03 -0400 Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 26-md50000113789.msg for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:13:03 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:13:03 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120717:md50000113789::QHcyY2pqp1Mo7ymw:00000sIR X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:08:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org'" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org>, "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: IndieFIlmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just terrible! The article says it's a Spitfire, but at first sight of the image, I thought it was a TR6. What a wretched way to go, and for such a pointless stupid reason! Mark 1992 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson Sent: July-17-12 8:07 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident Awful tragedy..... http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719699/1350 Did anyone know this person? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:03:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E0D2D032A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:03:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8132D067A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bTFz1j0021eYJf8AEVcLSA; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:36:20 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bVcK1j00g3uShJ401VcKD3; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:36:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:36:19 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Bob Danielson <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Message-ID: <1422368153.146475.1342546579774.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I hope they fry her until the street lights dim. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:07:04 AM > Subject: [TR] TR6 Driver Killed in Road Rage Accident > Awful tragedy..... > http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719699/1350 > Did > anyone know this person? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:15:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F20A2D0619 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:15:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F068C2D05CA for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so859881ggm.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=0qlN6qeWgTr2DzN+2dFLYFDETVhditzyrbQPUAXR58Q=; b=YFS9hgANHgDrcxleOmjvxW4J0sTy6+CULvb2fYslAgXp+WnaBW9+6or731USGlKQQt vOpTq7fXIfu7WFsJ9E6Kktg65fGISvUBOV7SqTxIZx2LbCEuMUYdG3ypjNXO+htzlaID a/OD4dSAAOSs3AZn+287dioCivc4trponjPjAneqpW522ePfyryofqYYY/S+Op3/VkXO cq6+MJH7fSFPBJ4iaK4fd5BVettGjOMgt5iKPmeYCuVVuk0wQVRdSiojIzgHPWQqHjfm tlZ3/qZFhEMmH7tecKB/EFg4lkw9vvMtqPFqdrMY90PSLCwecdDTfp9eJCxPkZtN22TS caMA== Received: by 10.236.109.229 with SMTP id s65mr2738156yhg.10.1342547481187; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([97.103.22.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a64sm35650145yhe.11.2012.07.17.10.51.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:51:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: car discussion Sports Triumph References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 17 Jul, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Jim Wallace wrote: > Hi Malcolm, > I have a glowing recommendation. I used a Crane electronic ignition in my > 72 VW camper and am very pleased. I think it's the Fireball XR-700... I have installed the Crane electronic ignition system in both my previous MGB (that I gave my daughter) and now in my TR3A. It made them both as reliable as my wife's Honda. I remain very happy with it & recommend it. John John A. Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 Triumph TR3A Commission No: TS80422L 1977 Porsche 911S ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:16:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B45C2D076B for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:16:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AED2D05CA for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so871813ggm.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:00:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4u1YsvcqOM4cjC4if+nj8plUJL52NpgdXQAUOvMwhVU=; b=moCWJWmL8cLZm7fkKBjB7saHeVNSOyQJhv6g5J6tHzXgOKYbCktVVOJAibGOyQfyFT OCOn1p6138kxsjc87eKZh73z2MRK7iK2ysY9y6hCu7xO019Vv4llDckW1Y4udtuXJpzp CAZ6aYymStFCpa+lBgjZGN8Y7WjwiiAvb5o9I5U1tbxATbdH9PsxlZwAwPVX7YXkH8WM lDLlnURJk/+xX+G4poShit1Hp45/IXFxYGl6r74FpUcdOn83saLQNn8v7MMwmJZ0+LZp Jk5LWVjDO5G3W9S2BWOgrbO22W1HT/MS2XWbqrmhyGzPgM70EOJVTx45I8RcVb7F4zFs 5QOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.87.2 with SMTP id t2mr7043094paz.22.1342548008872; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.138 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] 4:10 diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Now that I have the TR4 street worthy and have been driving it I've come to realize that the differential in the car is a 4:10. I've verified this by comparing tach readings with road speeds via GPS. So that leaves me with the problem of the speedometer being way off. This is the speedometer that was in the car when I got it so either the speedometer was replaced at some point or else the diff was swapped out for the original 3:70 diff. I'm looking to find out which speedometer would be correct for the car, i.e. what numbers would I find on the front of the speedometer that would indicated it is for a 4:10 diff? Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:34:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A532D08A1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723EC2D06C9 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bW341j0071eYJf8ACWLnfw; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:20:47 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bWLm1j00c3uShJ401WLmiS; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:20:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:20:46 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Brad Kahler Message-ID: <1554641120.148957.1342549246729.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 4:10 diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jack up one rear wheel, turn the wheel and count the wheel revolutions. Have Susan count the driveshaft bolts going by. Do the math. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:35:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5D72D08D7 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:35:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1722D060A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bW631j0041u4NiLA2WNphd; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:22:49 +0000 Received: from sz0119.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.181]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bWNo1j00o3uShJ48hWNoGN; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:22:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:22:48 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: pdqtr6@comcast.net Message-ID: <789373358.149072.1342549368770.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1571535190.1784406.1342483428718.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [156.99.75.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] The Gecko is Truly Cool... X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net INteresting. I've seen him in a Big Healey. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: pdqtr6@comcast.net > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03:48 PM > Subject: [TR] The Gecko is Truly Cool... > I just saw an ad from GEICO where the Gecko is driving around in a red > TR3 (a > plastic model - not mine).B The model isn't perfect, but it's close > enough > for TV.B Something to watch for... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:46:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687DB2D063D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:46:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B602D086D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6HIaqRr014667 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:36:52 -0400 Received: from core-moa003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9DB56E00008A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <373e8.105992f1.3d370ac4@cs.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:36:52 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342550212; bh=Qmr6VgK4+LEwGRiuE7D0ViN3q2ejcY+3z+FQ25/G+vM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rp3w6xEIwP+K2+NaXm4KLhojKYs/5dq44sHMhMRVpmvdqMl+Bbuw4XSPe+XlOgSt7 Rzoh36zNmaKkp4fXdIseb4t4Rvji3+hzdQfWqWlZ4zGprJ8VrjDPT0YR+WLUiBMigX 1oOex7FwH/YeBlUaazQ54K8q2VFoEHnCsXiY9P5w= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475332576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc5005b0c45829 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 starter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Lets hope so. But that is the first thing to try. Clean and lubricate. Back in the early 70's I drove an MGB as a daily driver and I had the same problem. Clean and lub made it a whole new starter. Dave In a message dated 7/17/2012 1:01:42 PM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > every now again when i press the starter button, the starter motor whines > and spins but does not engage. > try it again and it spins, maybe one or 2 more times and it engages and > starts the engine. > i think i just need to clean pinion shaft? no?? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:48:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6785A2D0661 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:48:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A272D03D1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so931143yen.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tXDL0pXTD3K3cgWPWQDOSGgHq09uG5mfxpFwbk9Arks=; b=AJto6kfS7gg3jgmJnGIxW8w6aWXZDA823RnerU5tAH2GwBlnbkowIzPBhzkKTnoyhd JElcnXHyEjJFF3L39hXThcnjaeTGHeksf99B8OKzWK/O82x9TfiNARkZBo9HY9Lwa5BJ SPtnZkC4TJegzMQiu+/JSYJhb7xC595oq4GqbAbWKW2T4dWrw1otX7sXt1uBi8hllKi5 ZjSeLa0KeILk1lOEvmp7aDrNEVKoTHsncJY+6W0tvFustwFH70qGxJdVjs8/Fz2beEYR ZfuacRK2+0wMBkCzH6YuXcx+aTYLYSln8MQb4g0zXeaTvf7zBFSPK2d4+9ITkvx/74rs dGfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.18.8 with SMTP id v8mr2143697ica.34.1342550468398; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:41:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <119d01cd63ea$5b1da920$0601a8c0@randall> References: <1C22F3110D3040879BCEDD3F94F8BA3A@bboffice> <119d01cd63ea$5b1da920$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR3A on eBay X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Randall wrote: > BTW, I'm pretty sure that is not the original paint, even though the ad > might give that impression... The copy writer may have gotten a bit carried away in a couple of spots. Mentions more than once that the tires are nearly new and recently mounted, but the photos are sufficiently detailed you can read the date code (even if you didn't know that that tire has been out of production for some time). It does appear to be a pretty good example, no doubt well out of my price range when the hammer falls. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 12:48:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE7A2D0709 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:48:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FEB2D04BF for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so1485207pbb.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:43:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fFWp+qHNZ6osO8bnmUmR+BM3fRh+A3rW8GU2GCW718c=; b=dde6/IimSrlEhcJm8gL6WwTCsAuqkXvnVeQJvFGEWFjpRMzgp0NYGFSXGmibiYGQ+i 1RNZSNFU9jFA1JJl/cJCyAbKFzDVO4/CZIhSkY1IH5QshlUSslcyCwVbdPOpnu6hlIAS Gy8cSe94UV5XeSqffbR+/RWY69JD+mwpeaGiP7v78jQk+TqY0Tj3TW28BgNpXu+AJknn yLwoSb4QAH0gHO6Ji2xeORf2fIYDtm8xAYrD5Iq2Ue7KS6cHXvyvN+ZihWOrwY6cAQGo yjJqgDXEisINyGI7jYPxBh2dR8diDVYK/fpqMMQnx8QhJ197G1d5ktcdevi8cczw40aU 1fDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.233.201 with SMTP id ty9mr966576pbc.34.1342550591881; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.138 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1554641120.148957.1342549246729.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1554641120.148957.1342549246729.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: pethier@comcast.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 4:10 diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That method involves higher math... On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:20 PM, wrote: > Jack up one rear wheel, turn the wheel and count the wheel revolutions. > > Have Susan count the driveshaft bolts going by. > > Do the math. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk > http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 13:00:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAA32D0646 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:00:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D6E2D016A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ALFA ([76.249.232.102]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id bWu81j0052DDFck01Wu8pH; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:54:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3E8EAD5023D64B02A5D67C4ABC025E6A@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: "car discussion Sports Triumph" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:49:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have the pertronix in several cars. many thousands of miles, many years, no problems. (with the pertronix) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 13:45:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C62D0675 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:45:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115302D04BA for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=75gYffBYKTrKMj24iysA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:53167] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9F/B6-28917-14FB5005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:38:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Brad Kahler'" , "'Triumphs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00c701cd6453$bfb892a0$3f29b7e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1kSJq7KawYOQKKQ8eOl2OZ1GSVMwACpDBA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] 4:10 diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm looking to find out which speedometer would be correct for the car, > i.e. what numbers would I find on the front of the speedometer that > would > indicated it is for a 4:10 diff? I don't know the exact number for a TR4, but the first two digits should be 13xx rather than 11xx for the 3.7 diff. I had the same problem with TS13571L, which didn't even have an overdrive! (When I got it, of course.) Frankly, I didn't like the 4.10 gears on the street even with overdrive (behind a relatively stock motor), the 3.7 I have now suits me much better and I'm planning to go to 3.45 as soon as I get a spare axle built up. If you want to change, I'm sure there would be lots of racers more than willing to trade a 3.70 gear set with you. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 13:46:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E322D05CA for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:46:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6212D04B3 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Xyr1pW8vF9FkwO7yBqgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:53192] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 59/81-29356-D50C5005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:43:26 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1342541785.94129.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342541785.94129.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:43:14 -0700 Message-ID: <00cb01cd6454$68d51d40$3a7f57c0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1kRkMbyzgV72cITOiRQ70IzWAzqgADZ1OQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 starter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > every now again when i press the starter button, the starter motor > whines and spins but does not engage. > try it again and it spins, maybe one or 2 more times and it engages and > starts the engine. > i think i just need to clean pinion shaft? no?? Could be; but if it is getting noticeably worse over time, I might suspect that the bonded rubber drive is slipping. Of course that is assuming you are talking about the first press of the starter button. If it starts to crank and then kicks out, you have to wait for the drive to stop spinning before it will engage again. Frustrating as all get out in cold weather, when the engine will frequently fire but not start. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 13:47:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1842D06DF for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:47:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAEA2D073A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so1019400ggm.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:48:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DtAHUiOvS5p8CmVyoLnCi5ooyAN8sAFPAiHRI0/ma/s=; b=LMDRnjFxbT5IG6jhb3rN8V1lZkE7iMeDu/gM3vTcvs/N3NjDrY1nyboCXb9yStUO2c jNeDH+39L5Ne0zCvmJs+oFM4gAgUt46qJhz8xJSru6GjaSTkkGHn/QU500crljYIIRlk kfANt6kBM7WvKWDiEu70vLAfKxWQPE+S0UeYbVLa4tw0nfZfH3L8BOmuumae5sUBzlh1 XO+AG8AMmm4y/7hlEDV3bPenx7yJ5aJPftulEhwtDnlYro9imlLeiDyFmXJNlP5tSPeg /HKhPUPjyOxSU4JzPYiTrbFcSbPHKZt8sRqGaUO38EikJKaptbgq5nYz7V69+VGgKl3Y PW5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.75.162 with SMTP id d2mr7547983paw.59.1342554525351; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.138 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:48:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00c701cd6453$bfb892a0$3f29b7e0$@rr.com> References: <00c701cd6453$bfb892a0$3f29b7e0$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:48:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Randall X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 4:10 diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > indicated it is for a 4:10 diff? > > I don't know the exact number for a TR4, but the first two digits should be > 13xx rather than 11xx for the 3.7 diff. > > Hmm, I wonder if 1384 might be the number. I don't know that I have one with that number in my box of spares. If I can find the box I guess the smart thing would be to compare numbers and see if I have an odd ball one :) > I had the same problem with TS13571L, which didn't even have an overdrive! > (When I got it, of course.) Frankly, I didn't like the 4.10 gears on the > street even with overdrive (behind a relatively stock motor), the 3.7 I > have > now suits me much better and I'm planning to go to 3.45 as soon as I get a > spare axle built up. > > Living in LA like you do I can see where a 4:10 would not be of much use. Here in Kentucky there isn't a straight road to be found. Heck even my driveway has twists and turns! I've got a 3:70 diff that I can use if I want to but I do have an OD to install this winter so until the 4:10 proves it's not suitable for my driving style I'll probably stick with it. > If you want to change, I'm sure there would be lots of racers more than > willing to trade a 3.70 gear set with you. > > That's for sure. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 14:16:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C472D06B9 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:16:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62E542D0683 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 20:11:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.173] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 20:11:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 20:11:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 516330.28795.bm@omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55114 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2012 20:11:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342555917; bh=D+BkWpnB2HkhU/hl0OSJpIwheR55uU++BNTBA4qpeyY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IaLLmBjIjOUF37WPiy+BCxypRyEGXa8VwenU9CLiE79wBRf3Ghk3/OA27brGaIDmlPERZWIpJfn2CC2Qrugnt+7uBAmPwnJvVXpAxbgzck6uRu8dZ83qUuIbjCqFl5h2swTFBysf8vu3vBVnE4nMIsOtDc1LQhu6OQ2JUJJWDMs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bu8AK8izfzz2V2arfwEarckQHSvcMt0A0a9Qo9bPvOvNoGmdiLJjtabuBozTHoi8q8Enpzu1z0d695uKmLOe9eCiXzEGgTDrdWfFdaPfQVpQZMXt5TSPoECYbj2qWjchIoE+wJk8/qgATefZncX6vOxSf0b7seeU1nuYnXrnNqM=; X-YMail-OSG: 2uETUHsVM1lmQhYtavRSMNj0n1mzqGaGhA10Z25d0rSGrMl H1tczU6Rr7R26Wr_jzLPm8k2WI7xowzzvGHwal2jT13uoVp5tIFFlw1sjnO. 4uwCbckm9YzIpjeaayQBuHIY44_9QJcJwvMFek6sKphWu603ssEyu1TtBt8k cLlNnJMOIeNVRVtXDq7lLMGQMoFK9fuAT9m9mk9gjHJYuTFTMiD0M6gm6SDU M3gaJHRoRlmC3Z2ZtJpDE4tT_Rw6i31PG0EO_yy1EVtt9f58jKeiyTypd.mR N9SgSY77M394ezJ2awv4y1pczTdgWzbguXnRJCkjB.9k5FXRaXQE.xTmzp1V aJ8VeY2nmBV7BRBiLLsTvdBGYur2NekbvJr8XBPflBL4H7BBLtHDS1xtOYl5 dm42jsCDpmJWOqezxkBlpIpNFxd5GFWv.pvQnI1HtGjGZuSYyV28VMmdc1ub X2WhH63Go6fmUxePWetx2pfpRRfcAa20VBBPaupqEYX5UMOJt2Ijk00gx.V3 XmEH3GbvKmkc8eYy9lh3dvY9ux5NlQUYs4YOrfCMFJ9pnbiNoEwCsCfvO_5R ReeW8gzCEYTxZYQ6Kzg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:11:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1C22F3110D3040879BCEDD3F94F8BA3A@bboffice> Message-ID: <1342555916.50530.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "bill_beecher@flash.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1C22F3110D3040879BCEDD3F94F8BA3A@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR3A on eBay X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i know the owner of that car and she is a very nice lady. if you want a car that has been baby'd and looked after you wont do better than this. its a very nice car that has been looked after extremely well Frank ________________________________ From: "bill_beecher@flash.net" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: [TR] Early TR3A on eBay Anybody know this car? Is supposed to belong to the president of the SoCal Triumph Owners Assoc. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CA-Black-Plate-Exquisitely-Preserved-Factory- Hard-Soft-Top-Overdrive-No-Reserve-/130731847682?pt=US_Cars_Trucks &hash=item1e7039b002 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 14:18:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847952D06DF for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:18:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 00ADB2D0684 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 20:15:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.232] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 20:15:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 20:15:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 753016.62478.bm@omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18784 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2012 20:15:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342556109; bh=iPaLt6Mb35wP6Gcfm/HoDBvaKyLEwpY9SBH4iWHd4Qc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vj4Slb4TYKuWzxAlJvrLFEGX1ufKzFYqRI1TYHehXZxN9Sgnfrcky0126bzP4Ez+Af/kgeYju2jVyzn1vfHOpJ52hSv98uZ46M18pySLnAp7VqeMi4K2JZtO1Tgd36YKlpmiChoVccqGjlAui0eFOZAqoZgX72Ra7GifNAV83m0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YA3WpAapleJjehg1STWezeQOwj/Gt4lNHzd38Hesglo5MQUAIDS/eexK/zS+XUdhHJpMB9mhiupdppk6BSR6BV8DL3uah62w34sm3gEVrG/8teUgXWfPB5dqRCxChvQdSc2H1F1A9Iik1fmahhWic3Us2bDCNA0dwKBB1XTMBvg=; X-YMail-OSG: WJQwrOYVM1k6s7J06SPPNC_warDyrV23yWgQ225SCsmcf0W F8KuGOucGBl26y_5HnpPQPwWdbCZsgUTxyr8m66X0hqVnrZ8oW1PDi9kpGmP RMkykDPrWbD3_PkAmD4WdTtCS.UDF_3j8oZ1aPkDFO5bf.QIo.XxB3RsoKuu XMkPCKCiLgLA_0B3Z9EhPab.palEf1ijCddQljYMp6kNR4UZ0u47uW5WJEeZ dJGVqZBY232RmutS9gR7Aq84KR94gdidLcUdu3_KfGs_Jpa2PjEY0tp93brA vTtwe1ohCfQNTXK3YcV2l5dWD35O.1Oa54FyBMVytPzNQpV1MOeWe0BQ2Vfo QPIgyLsD_ZnPCaoo8AMTrlcAUxkrMTcP0KT.CQcHtr4mWe0i4.6w8BjRX4E1 i9O70uD9qc3C7ONq9wUEvewg- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:15:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1342541785.94129.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <00cb01cd6454$68d51d40$3a7f57c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1342556109.7770.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Randall , 'Triumphs' In-Reply-To: <00cb01cd6454$68d51d40$3a7f57c0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 starter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i am talking the first press of the button. once the started engages the flywheel i fire right up. what bonded rubber drive would you be referring to? Frank TS41366L ________________________________ From: Randall To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [TR] tr3 starter > every now again when i press the starter button, the starter motor > whines and spins but does not engage. > try it again and it spins, maybe one or 2 more times and it engages and > starts the engine. > i think i just need to clean pinion shaft? no?? Could be; but if it is getting noticeably worse over time, I might suspect that the bonded rubber drive is slipping. Of course that is assuming you are talking about the first press of the starter button. If it starts to crank and then kicks out, you have to wait for the drive to stop spinning before it will engage again. Frustrating as all get out in cold weather, when the engine will frequently fire but not start. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 16:24:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CD72D067A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:24:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689E42D066C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so1209256yen.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r3oTGsxX3eux5/CkPjNk7qC72ynDJ+84RdgESkjf4mo=; b=xaV+yX9t0QeE41uneCYA2tZIi8E6sEg8YclfTCDmp+rWoeDI/DLy1x2c6mvjlmUd36 x+V50j4Ujt1AEUoxAmYtC2w8Qv480v80SkYX0aVHFDla427y+KEDnK359N7pnlKlEZwL YF6VtCnQiLEWMxxfCqL5w1xwuRWD01Lznjr4PagFIoVkBeKaXB0OMY5ARcWVjfElJK/H EAsH9PNzMtaeBs/RMLRp5Pg9KRWhqVCADVV0qjgdiiH6omRip11OW0Zd7vpq7og8ux3E uFMFr3v56PuFQwp1TYzZ4EPTVgPsYXroAK3kprUAvwG3oOeQ9vA3KjRDJaLowuxzD8/0 0VJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.42.130 with SMTP id o2mr254416igl.37.1342563989473; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.84.36 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list , TTSCC@yahoogroups.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My Weber are acting up. They were running fine and strong until: I messed around and changed the fuel line to an older braided SS line for appearances sake. Then, the carbs began to stumble and spit. They would barely idle and would not accelerate. Changed back to new rubber fuel line and changed the in line filter. No improvement. Thinking the mechanical pump must be gone again, switched in an electric. No improvement. Checked the timing - basically OK, though hard to tell with the rpms moving all over the place. Changed the plugs ( was going to anyway.) Reset the Webers to their initial settings. No change. Finally, remover the cover to the pump. Diaphragm looks OK. There was gas on top but I assume that leaked through from the bowl as I broke the seal. So what gives? Could the main jet be clogged? I'll go check that. Any ideas? Could it still be electrical? Many thanks JohnH ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 16:51:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885E32D06B3 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:51:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA502D068D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so1228901yhr.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:48:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BYKSFIuz7WIoR7qKZ5WSXpeEkmvglJy4GU6s16uy99c=; b=FxLTItElxVnckzXhGuK2S08DEnk4ClNL9KujgWjfXqcPLwM5zCr5044C2Ak2PXxBdc Y+S19hx9xXfdYe1toi1P5FqpZlWxXLaM3RMpljBfZAjUUyK4nrQBpxnvXS2eqcMaudzw u1FfKjS+K33sIv0ZhcbGiJBZCK8McWyMPlcrlipdvTlu3Rx1Q0M3RtLPVPkv+ywDKNdd r1jfhqlP85E1mdSh8Yznt5B9J64ZZtstHAAcRIU+leFrdtPdCgfty/M+iBqpLUDZPHFF hdfAOpuT3QBXM/kL1S772g74QLODayJoOaxYAfRm1BOYRaWqVc/IPETDTCObsJ/qzraI TYog== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.234 with SMTP id gt10mr306737igc.20.1342565298772; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1342556109.7770.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342541785.94129.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <00cb01cd6454$68d51d40$3a7f57c0$@rr.com> <1342556109.7770.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:48:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Frank Fisher X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 starter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net #46 here, or p/n 549-580 . These were NLA back in the 80s and I fixed mine by jamming strips of inner tube between the sleeve and inner bit. Was still working 20 years later when I finally had the starter apart to re-wrap the fields and replaced it. Geo On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > i am talking the first press of the button. > once the started engages the > flywheel i fire right up. > what bonded rubber drive would you be referring to? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 16:55:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A882D070E for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:55:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB442D067A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so1831950pbb.14 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=zihddOU52sHWc/gM+UXQ37nrKrI4RPoULabagss8dqU=; b=px41RjVxLdJ5YTlFsQVXI1Jqgbu1tnqVJYy6bBnfenIoLbYwwdJZGOgCLLVU/qBSz0 /sjRcb2VP2oV2K45wpF8zPNIUsVx+ZdIEFLtj7H/7gwoDFfdY2bbub2poRQqyGM3mq3P npdJshgITAcLZUzme4S7ThrlRhuGCpppNUdiw7UTnhk7sy6Bv0gpRiSlRcMRoVg3lBKh h75DWZXKvPmCK1AUAbojLNzbkXKW+UqaQ58PYX7DKZZWtEC77pmcLJC77sRXY+npEeHd RH53FlpMlFsQmZk67RcVIr3Tn6kc48Z8ncOw+SBa1/VjEUPXGsjBeserZwt4FWyqJYUG E1YQ== Received: by 10.68.220.104 with SMTP id pv8mr2712994pbc.119.1342565504512; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-45-78.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.45.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tj4sm14854837pbc.33.2012.07.17.15.51.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:51:39 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You know you cold have saved yourself a whole lot of time, $$ and effort if you had put a fuel pressure gauge on it to verify you were getting between 2 & 3 lbs pressure at the carbs. The brass plug by the fuel inlet covers the filter screen. You could pull them to see if the filters got clogged. If the filters are missing or torn it would not hurt to pull the tops of the carbs and verify that a piece of crud has not lodged in the float valve keeping it from closing properly. The built in filter is supposed to keep that from happening and jets from getting clogged. The big brass cover in the middle with the winged nut covers the main and idle jets. You could look at the idle jets to see if one is clogged. IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: fuel system and electrical system problems mostly have the same symptoms. Do a spark check to see if you have a strong blue spark. A bad condenser can cause the idle to bounce around. On 7/17/12 3:26 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > My Weber are acting up. They were running fine and strong until: > I messed around and changed the fuel line to an older braided SS line for > appearances sake. Then, the carbs began to stumble and spit. They would > barely idle and would not accelerate. Changed back to new rubber fuel line > and changed the in line filter. No improvement. > Thinking the mechanical pump must be gone again, switched in an electric. > No improvement. > Checked the timing - basically OK, though hard to tell with the rpms moving > all over the place. > Changed the plugs ( was going to anyway.) > Reset the Webers to their initial settings. No change. > Finally, remover the cover to the pump. Diaphragm looks OK. There was gas > on top but I assume that leaked through from the bowl as I broke the seal. > > So what gives? Could the main jet be clogged? I'll go check that. > > Any ideas? Could it still be electrical? > > Many thanks > > JohnH > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tjwakeman@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 17:13:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702A72D067A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:13:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3C1D2D0670 for ; 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Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.84.36 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> References: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:55:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lee&John Howard" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good ideas. I never added the fuel pressure gauge because, well, it was working fine without it! I have checked the filter screen and it was 95% clean. Condenser is a god idea and might have gone coincidentally with my screwing around with the fuel lines, I guess. I will pull the jets, but don't see how anything could get by the fuel inlet screens. Incidentally, your Weber site is a regular reference for me. Thank you for that. John On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:51 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > You know you cold have saved yourself a whole lot of time, $$ and effort > if you had put a fuel pressure gauge on it to verify you were getting > between 2 & 3 lbs pressure at the carbs. > > The brass plug by the fuel inlet covers the filter screen. You could > pull them to see if the filters got clogged. If the filters are missing > or torn it would not hurt to pull the tops of the carbs and verify that > a piece of crud has not lodged in the float valve keeping it from > closing properly. The built in filter is supposed to keep that from > happening and jets from getting clogged. > > The big brass cover in the middle with the winged nut covers the main > and idle jets. You could look at the idle jets to see if one is clogged. > > IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: fuel system and electrical system problems mostly > have the same symptoms. > > Do a spark check to see if you have a strong blue spark. > > A bad condenser can cause the idle to bounce around. > > On 7/17/12 3:26 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > > My Weber are acting up. They were running fine and strong until: > > I messed around and changed the fuel line to an older braided SS line for > > appearances sake. Then, the carbs began to stumble and spit. They would > > barely idle and would not accelerate. Changed back to new rubber fuel > line > > and changed the in line filter. No improvement. > > Thinking the mechanical pump must be gone again, switched in an electric. > > No improvement. > > Checked the timing - basically OK, though hard to tell with the rpms > moving > > all over the place. > > Changed the plugs ( was going to anyway.) > > Reset the Webers to their initial settings. No change. > > Finally, remover the cover to the pump. Diaphragm looks OK. There was gas > > on top but I assume that leaked through from the bowl as I broke the > seal. > > > > So what gives? Could the main jet be clogged? I'll go check that. > > > > Any ideas? Could it still be electrical? > > > > Many thanks > > > > JohnH > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tjwakeman@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejohn7@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 17:55:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371412D0679 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796B02C07F9 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iwcytTQsuGf_dHXHDQIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_-zA6HpVQkILybRsJ6AA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=ucH7BwLj_I8A:10 a=Q7vq3FVIVKJlKvko:21 a=CYKzr_WsnOh3nQsG:21 a=xpD3cuj-XJtGIz7A:18 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:57525] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D2/C1-28917-5FBF5005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:57:43 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1342541785.94129.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <00cb01cd6454$68d51d40$3a7f57c0$@rr.com> <1342556109.7770.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342556109.7770.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: <012a01cd6477$ee1c72a0$ca5557e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1kWN62L701oxohTDm3j9VI5w/k/wAHQeIg Content-Language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 starter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > what bonded rubber drive would you be referring to? On the early (pre-TS50000) starter, there is a drive piece between the armature and the pinion shaft. Its construction is somewhat similar to the silentbloc pivots in the steering, with an inner and outer steel tube and rubber between them (which is supposed to be bonded to both of them). The intent I assume is to provide some cushion when the spinning pinion gear slams into the stationary ring gear. It seems to break rather often, especially if your engine has been modified with bigger liners and/or higher compression but the starter will still sometimes work due to friction between the rubber and steel. Item N in the attached drawing (which of course won't make it through the list) or figure 20 on page M16 of the factory workshop manual. The problem is (was) prevalent enough that Ken Gillanders had a run made of "fail safe" replacements that used a paddle arrangement with urethane in compression between the paddles. No bonds to break, and if the urethane broke and fell out, the paddles would still turn the engine. But I think I got the last two of them and Ken said he had no plans to have more made. -- Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of untitled.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 18:09:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A04D2D061C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:09:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 702B12D04E0 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 58637 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Jul 2012 00:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 89846 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 00:11:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1342570306; bh=Or223abx0orQNYnRS22lcaR2GIy6j9jVrDAXX0GySBE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tO9vPcW6lKg9PeuTJuRtrbrf75xSCp+QMopqrUf6q4tAMcMzHBT5a11qZ7Uzbs2T8d+pJ03QLfiTydYsje3vuG7i0j40PlZS9KWkpW4RdsoO2n9FBA6+VnEV7nLwtvupzmRa6BVBMJvFaNMmYqXAdU3eOGk6XSn70jRO3e4P3M4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R86tqw8hg0iM8pYjVotIJyswk1/GidW2zIwxmpQibENw6Rr2JS0smbxzc107aDr0ceEH3sHaFlvvcDzTy8YKOa+nBPIzNFmT3JlTEtEa3RD29ssGQKD1sYC/kU6UhQFE+cH97yjq91KWLABFxv5AoCS+MijezyXNt6QyKYACtJo=; X-YMail-OSG: 0QXW1pQVM1nepvgF87Pju0K4o78o6H_tWW1gnqHDYJx5DrF u3IuGlhOG0HHYvlXueULvovBnfZxkH5SAQ0Op.RhYFCEXfbjnmjdlONpE1N3 gMsUHD.EFfYMTEmguFO30e9YTfHKLvG8lyRWt2opIDmJOrry1dI32SIJOyuQ SmPH.Fhkf5507pfcykopBHTm6voyLpD8dBJobIpn5pD9Fn5qsrJ9MXFTPV6T oS.ssXlGjyk_17mh7Q4sMvF_tmVDKOgjxNAEshdllhg05jw3wQNwGadcuExB St.q.yUe2SgcqxWhF6BFm79whRM7ddJZ.X7.U2ozi42nYjpUr6cCH2HSOnRy SdI8abVhx6a19soy3fT5_4rjKZbIEJjCy5y0aN.hcg9PjvJWrk2zdGRRxpDg chfDLMfKsGqhdx21io_iQdgJic.a8InJ.aJ8hkXmFeg3MKS7OrcN6EZ4- Received: from [99.149.16.132] by web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:11:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342570304.87386.YahooMailRC@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Janis Dabars To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Fw: Fwd: Crumpled TR250 Photos X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Janis Dabars >Gentsm >My latest purchase TR-250----$35.00 needs attention--lots of it >Want more info about this RARE 44 year Classic? >Should I put it on Ebay? Please advise. > >John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 18:11:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463E22D0666 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:11:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DAF62D04E4 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 00:13:31 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 00:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 00:13:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 00:13:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 446835.99758.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92229 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 00:13:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=po0n5B0fzpHje8OImBkASIQy9OwJx2Sg1IHfkt1a2inzYksRwSxWnj+LPnHgYBUthDrwG9rUStv4TTfjAXHNBEnX/fKH+7MMzyu3DZrOoE8qFGdLLaSY5OH8xhlWMUTjqzFQnHT4EZUrQCFWsCsXRKgU0QnJOsjLfvDe678w8bw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342570411; bh=Ove6GkWuB42Y/D9HGF+L30b2Nbktv9CupKhZYdHCvBM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=1pOiXzhICVYu38pKM/CFErrOH4hh91dXVZY2413FixZ1zMGYHfzRhT6OZ0cgkn0oAontLGUXqFpxYvE4icfRuQYYnaPMe9t/zL7XqeYEmIlt2SiUePUx8ynfxBtkLVZOHAz1stxOiZBYrN/s9JSBKA7Ez2ki0EgdoE8I4TYn9QQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: AiwSgfgVM1kwtMiFKstuDRbTgmVWHhsQawvzhtHDlpSVS79 KTGjFdeXMJAO4W39nI0ajpDKfTlI3NAfZcxWGQQeq8amoRoDjHLU3ziafhPR vlOfemCOHIWYT_9f2wvENjS2sqEclElNj4RmYvUY07xC7KNUCC2dAkcVJ7zo OsbgT.QRluFMBHM.eFE.abuGS9sAc7cbZL_eG8JWsWv0GU8LENNbw6I.voN7 MRB5362EPxs_JE1.Rt28db9XXe1w6YpetUCICJiE5DgBtUuQu4CxMgJkyLMK om6.Ja10CPWFdyuB.Lzxp3HcAetBLFKm.I8hr9H2OLYCZYcgRsa7yKwVcQiY 85YF8AzYQ5QYQbfdjUHyk2xlOMA4Q2j47DT4Ua_q7BQmhFtZ0rCUp7RvuR_m VShHKb8AXzyUmI20tTAt7g5m69kEGR9XaSoGU9kgSpYoLudu4Uvx04roehbQ JZB0Q8G0LRMdEehWQ80oxEs0iiC32miUBkaowRI1LXzbJkQf53dtAu8XnVFN v3_GiFDO5gZvzy2RmN_Q4rQi0nIf11tnANBZZxZnXRejx X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2012 17:13:31 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Janis Dabars'" , References: <1342566922.94526.YahooMailRC@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1342566922.94526.YahooMailRC@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1kciaVlGus9rn1Q66Zw+MkhTjPcgABznQg Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing ********** X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Should we organise a pilgrimage and wreath-laying? BB -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Janis Dabars Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:15 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing ********** ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Janis Dabars Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1262D0640 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:42:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3862D0634 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=xm3pbKPBL34A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=5D_eaFzqAAAA:20 a=jVis1zvG-MxDx7tUPIYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:57703] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 2C/FE-13948-7E606005; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:44:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <1342566922.94526.YahooMailRC@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342566922.94526.YahooMailRC@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:44:13 -0700 Message-ID: <013401cd647e$74330510$5c990f30$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1kciJp2FGvAETYQ2mWZiHuCeZZDAADCnHw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing ********** X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is this place in USA, California? > What you > think? LET ME KNOW No, I don't think so. Too many RHD cars, plus there's a comment to the effect that it's a dealer in Cheshire. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 22:19:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB5F2D05D8 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:19:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F332D04FC for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhm6 with SMTP id hm6so3422860wib.2 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5LyCElUqeGfgjx+2JkQOu86eYQE5S1qeYSMswQ5RtEU=; b=hI4Ml1xN0O4nYwgxEmHB2RaMYoC6UotPR+vovdIvavBTp5JRStdXDkU9YgR4TUAQd0 blpBHc0PHQKrngKN+bDUNn6oKvNi5biblHRko/DmjtUGIPw3lk04rQRnoepc6T++YSO6 e7AZlErmFCHX6DES/cETBjQFOeNDQ9aB6DSLYVwMuEDUuaMdVFUw3mEvNK6GhJTXxb1S qqZy2cch10iq3n513VJfoU8h9kiAupQ2cjQ5zhDiHTJ2Vh4YRVYS8J1K0NEClvgz2jgZ 8hnlFUOFF+jDkRo0DyVMDd4ZB4xwCR5JwTkT7r5E4V2bot18q+uHXYVOF0NZQxoisodx +0JQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.24.85 with SMTP id w63mr877795wew.145.1342585113595; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.233.233 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:18:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:18:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nDK5om4y3ZTt7oUlAap5P78UULY Message-ID: From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tonight I replaced the points (and pulled off the breaker plate to check out the springs). Both springs were there, but loose on their shafts. I pinched one a bit so it wasn't as loose, and sprayed some brake cleaner down around the weights to try to remove some of the crud. Also cleaned off the contact plate as best I could, which should hopefully help the action of the vacuum advance. This distributor should be rebuilt, but for now it is OK. I put the (poor quality) "new" points in, set the gap, and the car idles much better now, running smooth at 6-700 RPM instead of 1100. I suspect that a proper clean-out with new springs will help even more. This distributor is marked with service mark 40842 A, which appears to be a TR4A low-compression unit? Odd that it's identified for a 4A, since the date code is clearly 162, pre-dating the 4A by some years. M On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Malcolm wrote: > Thanks Geo. I tried the rotor again tonight and it does return back, > although it's not snappy like I would hope. > > I also ran the car with the timing light and saw that it is floating a bit > at idle. I've got new points to try, and I'll replace the coil, but I > foresee a rebuild in my future. > > M ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 17 23:06:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951442D0630 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:06:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934E02D05C6 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:57:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=oryKnJCVDu4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Plhe4EYvsfpDv9cZLx8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6C/E8-17657-9C246005; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:59:54 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Malcolm'" , References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:59:53 -0700 Message-ID: <009a01cd64a2$2bd8a3f0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1knOtc4IOzHjx2T1qbJDg56mSqKQABOW8g Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > This distributor is marked with service mark 40842 A, which > appears to be > a TR4A low-compression unit? I have 40842 listed for low compression TR4 (not 4A) 61-65. It's even listed in the TR4 section of the workshop manual. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 02:14:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA712D0639 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:14:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017F22D0614 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clear.net.nz (lb2-srcnat.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.237]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with SMTP id <0M7C00L6BK1XQR00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:10:45 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:10:45 +1200 From: diggle@clear.net.nz To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <50066f85.1ea.4afa.3734@clear.net.nz> X-Mailer: CLEAR Net WebMail; webmail.clear.net.nz; user: diggle; ip: 203.97.32.237 Priority: normal Subject: [TR] Compression Ratio X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: diggle@clear.net.nz List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Its been a long while but I am slowly getting back into getting my TR4 back on the road. The engine has been recond, everything that might have been worn was replaced, including the bearings that were in excellent condition. After all I thought that if I was going to all that expense why save a few dollars. My head needed rewelding between 2 and 3 cylinders and thus was skimmed. Prior to the recond it pinked if I ran anything less than 98 octane. I have calculated the comp ratio using a burette. My volumes are: 54.8 - 56ml in each cylinder. Stroke 92mm I assumed head gasket thickness 50thou piston tops in line with the deck Standard gasket diameter 88mm 87mm pistons Gives me a ratio of 9.6. which I am very happy with. Which I would not have thought would cause pinking with 96octane. My engine reconditioner (a friend) says that it more likely because of a tired dizzy, ie weak springs. Jim and the stationary 1962 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 02:17:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB422D06C2 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:17:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB5062D0639 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.247] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 08:19:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 08:19:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 174369.63044.bm@omp1012.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 30289 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 08:19:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1342599553; bh=z6ggKX6IS9pP+gxsiY3Dt2VeFC0kk5ree4AZlu+s1Ys=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vL8reL7ybGNNo2Rg+dAaOeYiHiDuZEDz+YLcgz5+JrvzYnnAAEgeXqhg0LzB//m7FtKiZyRsxDM7rXB6OvGG/GK5SjvVHth/v2uIjM8TSrp/yikK2GpfGGFD+fIMT0VxPWExPhPBi263vWWXH2GDWoyrTdZaYxmsr6kUt1UGfis= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GqzGu/I4ZSIuMOWmUbOtq0P1LeC2K00LtqnW511Ym0KR5maj1+hv0C0KNRj4YCCxtdrNw2Fxv21KYya0ZKs8jQhfT8JY+gjFHbCFTA2GiANYGi/NgeG4UQyTRrMGIIjH8LZdWWAehAs55VHksKsamEFDwhQECc1qOeLeLAEtGao=; X-YMail-OSG: LKdcbSoVM1lWmxUQKcrlBk719WNQuS6KVhITaruV1Wl1hhM 1e9azRikPW_goKGvdgn_tCbcM8rbJnfiQ28i46U6M9hmqJ0Oyn95dOWtfq_o Ht87MispaGmvverSznvF0jkvPEmlRUScsAw9ekqmMaTVw6MTdmanWY9bXGbJ .IldUP4m35_2eDLQWlvR__p2HxkI4YPB7J5EBxW_tpUt6nMwvsVFvX.mfZ6y JGiLLT15NKsE3w48sUfGtFPmVehN.sszLft2mPgmzj18pSOCrf.mPtpze_Qn pVyTD6oGI7clrChDgL8IWhAXy836LF_c9ZcHeK5ZaSpjC92QVoAa7YljWf9W v1O3Wig2wpmrSSmIsDybUOm3u7OewkczU3Nk2U0_7xCzRF_I- Received: from [90.199.100.164] by web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:19:12 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1342566922.94526.YahooMailRC@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1342599552.27174.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:19:12 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Janis Dabars , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <1342566922.94526.YahooMailRC@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing ********** X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A quick check of Google suggests this may have been / still is somewhere near Atlanta, Georgia? There's a post from someone on the British Car Forum speculating on what might have happened to it, so I deduce it's no longer there? Strange to read Randall's input on RHD models also being present. If so, were they once specially imported by aspiring owners wanting the PI system? There's a Spitfire Graveyard in the UK and I think it's somewhere near Sheffield. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 02:34:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449CC2D063A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:34:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B06E52D05C0 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 08:36:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.237] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 08:36:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 08:36:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 442408.83851.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2951 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 08:36:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1342600593; bh=EWWyd+hzZuQ/vuu/pR5zBEGU7ChTcEpD9oXq8HH6yBM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0YGhieSpww93AvOyDXyhmgWjExqiMUxKXe4gqXNG1o10tEOhN6G1OC6bGVEMaA4QcDGajtNcxVEKdgP1+jg9c0bTiJlVhZAuQ3RmC+q9hjRQKh5c2DaIVVdOxKNWVkJKoT0mE/MNAgWoO35CFj1/KhIlgQSqyqJN/RspcZhYyZE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sh14x/TqJj//Lo2t4v25ExKGAerBqZYhOp22nZLWPRCZHc8MJGnYemXUUxDXI2iPoBtzAFg/CjourKJwI4fYXF8RKwV1yWSvue6c//LU/O3fc1Q/rUNlFcJEFq+2xmATMqkSB3YgnHITyheTnolQqDbvhDz3cciMb3WeFd28Rec=; X-YMail-OSG: Y7WqMGwVM1nvmM1ayPjblYl7U72iXwOUwnwKn3GhiJD_P7B _mBoxKs9uBZz.daNtc5oNtG84l.6mfzRb9rFAO9YG3NuI_zEI3RynHADj9RZ bCpO44vow3kEj1DW4fHauXmJredxwWy.KAQY4qQFgYEO_U.2lwP.LIXqDjkL mG4Wp7l9O769fJHkqAXm6L56aOM.Qx4I5yxoztVlDhjdqYIB8yKC4lBOlHds ErZpEBWkp5d5Q7bClY3uZsN.0AnYs2nXrs7nmspaD6U3AMr9NzYMF4wIB8hH rGCwZTQAtMg9PvQIc4ny1euLMW3cLzISYvLfwX94POk8wL5cdF8yz.pRFIhE NwG0lykWryE_Bn69XQP17y2wFPjmaeGeZ7ZaJ_71P.aOCqtI- Received: from [90.199.100.164] by web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:36:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342600593.78744.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:36:33 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England. I suppose I should be as enthusiastic as so many of my fellow countrymen seem to be about the very imminent Oh_lim_pic Games. No matter where you go, what you do, whatever you may want to see or hear on the radio and TV - all we get is an undiluted torrent of Oh_lim_pic Games. No doubt when they're (thankfully) over, there will be further months of speculation and review on who / what / why so-and-so did/didn't do whatever they did and speaking purely for myself, WGAS? Well, I don't - but I suspect I'm in a very small minority. So Triumph stuff please and as much as all of you can generate. Doesn't matter if the old chestnuts of dashpot oil and stuck float valves get another airing, for me it'll be far far better than athletics, swimming, jumping, throwing spears, cycling up long hills - and the fact that too many events were cancelled because of the rain... I suppose one aspect of interest is that Uncle David Cameron has seen fit for the rooftops of certain London high rise buildings are now being equipped with guided missiles Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 06:07:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF4B2D063E for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:07:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230AD2D0539 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6IC4NRJ031453 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:04:24 -0400 Received: from core-moa003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C8942E0003CB for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:04:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:04:23 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342613063; bh=CjHJVLTBY6S1wWR6S08QhdBOgKEujZyaO0IHfSqbAbc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jg/vX0yErdKiV2MsxztQc3nzGwxf06cg4Wvf9sQRMEOVseZ69aJGoIrer4Io/Ervv AXLC+pSA4HgF54LgDsCWzje9zFUSphK+TY4v0zTDCGM4uvODcUIRikD7H4pr7P6SMA WM0zlpAssCCbhSgho3MC36pBfGCNaNOylPq1A3kE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464884448:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5006a647490a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, back in the 70's the US defense department determined that having stationary rocket launch sites made them too vulnerable to counter attack and so they started a program to make the launchers mobile. Of course, uncle Ron killed that program. Read into that what you may. The point is setting rocket launchers on roof tops is a far inferior solution than equipping certain road vehicles with mobile launchers. And since modern electronics can interfere with the guidance systems it seems logical to use older vehicles such as, well, LBC's. Think of it. Just as that steroid enhanced Russian Boris is about to win the 100 metre whatever, you rip off the left side of the tonneau and launch that anti-personnell device clearing the way for our Reginald to win the day! Huzza! Cameron has NO imagination. Dave In a message dated 7/18/2012 3:36:41 AM Central Daylight Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: > So Triumph stuff please > and as much as all of you can generate. Doesn't matter if the old > chestnuts of > dashpot oil and stuck float valves get another airing, for me it'll be far > far > better than athletics, swimming, jumping, throwing spears, cycling up long > hills - and the fact that too many events were cancelled because of the > rain... > I suppose one aspect of interest is that Uncle David Cameron has seen > fit for the rooftops of certain London high rise buildings are now being > equipped with guided missiles ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 06:23:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FF72D062A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:23:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D58D2D0630 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 12:26:00 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 12:26:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 12:26:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 331372.10478.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 30585 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 12:26:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1342614360; bh=/Fh4pSKYFNMviM7Ky1LSVWNJIPToJs2UMZ1ZyAWtQO8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HHw4xqvz9afEuxjaPGzl2BXycB4bORs3fEiDvHpoLo2F9ze6X7VNFUcjITu6SbnFjnYMqZNUvqtCamcUcjQafAPTQVVk6U1ZLWN+VSo6G0lNxsSwFdTxnNCDuokal8rpQeSrLZfdoeeqztmNrCZfjdaxZB3hBoZtdgFPW5zMv54= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QhKm51GM83cRt2Zd+2KXAuatbCwKo1wZKAGONrqbHjil7/xw/LwQbzlTSZFLYUbYlZu/+GRnt36kjrpNvzTYLlMVT4xnuXvgPe2UYCqtJ/3VfO7AOicwBRe6eF1kL9IuWrXQl/oCMcLLuuQ6lOT3u194nxKvxP1fyhZrSevZhaE=; X-YMail-OSG: AcOqIeIVM1mtDBkzYf2fCrOroKXMWyOiHLB9yXWoVC73IMs B3woR4Eu7QCBgEf..7wH8J6sqI9jMx4YfUhFl3zc9VprCbh_pAsNEqROSy9_ ZzTwNG0DgntqdO.a0tcgGFFVRoa59zGcRF630kHDjO0LHO1N9pnHMdnAwGY_ P1LCUG_9V2YV491v2Mj9nLMASSa2twc1SlAL2Ls3yXHS3sLvBwEj1gvV9U1m Ba.ayP6D28zbcObEOvN8RnyX0lGTxGEsAsKMYrpx5.4rOmEvPLYCDalV917k 5mv4DY0Ytd4qWKgABqkY8ajNlCVM3O.eIPJMUDTFg53xaN.uqCl8a.OVDxRi pgADt3P6iXQk32t7mlBUqqlznOent8XxCQe49hqS7ycvtF1j.qOtZQ_z5_iy 9TDUzFoQRAy7FwRcjAs2C8kAAomz_ACh6MELZztSABOJY Received: from [90.199.100.164] by web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:25:59 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342614359.30224.YahooMailNeo@web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:25:59 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, maybe putting the rocket launchers on rooftops was the only option? It all boils down to economics, y'see?. Putting them in LBC's (a good TR6 here costs $20k before conversion) which is maybe less than the true mobile system - but we just can't afford it, old chap. That's why your guys have been so kind to our guys in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last decade by letting them have dedicated tropical clothing, desert boots and equipment because our own Ministry of Defence didn't have enough money (or, more likely) forgot to provide the stuff in the first place! John PS For Triumph content, have just heard on the lunchtime news that a bus driver collecting a newly arrived Oh_lim_pic team from Heathrow airport got lost taking them to the Oh_lim_pic village because the GPS in his (s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d Triumph Herald - read bus) was using an out of date digital map! Once again, Team GB lurches into the seventeenth century and the Lucas electrics are playing up (again?) ________________________________ From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 13:04 Subject: Re: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) >John, back in the 70's the US defense department determined that having >stationary rocket launch sites made them too vulnerable to counter attack and >so they started a program to make the launchers mobile. Of course, uncle Ron >killed that program. Read into that what you may. > >The point is setting rocket launchers on roof tops is a far inferior >solution than equipping certain road vehicles with mobile launchers. And since >modern electronics can interfere with the guidance systems it seems logical to >use older vehicles such as, well, LBC's. > >Think of it. Just as that steroid enhanced Russian Boris is about to win >the 100 metre whatever, you rip off the left side of the tonneau and launch >that anti-personnell device clearing the way for our Reginald to win the day! >Huzza! > >Cameron has NO imagination. > >Dave > >In a message dated 7/18/2012 3:36:41 AM Central Daylight Time, >flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: >> So Triumph stuff please >> and as much as all of you can generate. Doesn't matter if the old >> chestnuts of >> dashpot oil and stuck float valves get another airing, for me it'll be far >> far >> better than athletics, swimming, jumping, throwing spears, cycling up long >> hills - and the fact that too many events were cancelled because of the >> rain... >> I suppose one aspect of interest is that Uncle David Cameron has seen >> fit for the rooftops of certain London high rise buildings are now being >> equipped with guided missiles > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 07:41:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA0E2D062A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:41:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF1E2D055A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so3314926pbb.14 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y62zBEdl+aEUXqKjch3e/KhhEz+XssczLLNu53G6YrY=; b=Pej+2v17QdiV6hW/6U5cHRM2zOBFr3PBz4tn+bTgM5et4NpE3PZCv8GrJrgcRUcAkn BtUe4HGInJQ+KOkG+Uupr+r1VzD/HH6csfca69UMz4uj13D2Pi6lnpGy7QuD381rCDPu U3/dc5vCSDqlzcJfkCdPpUlpAGJpgbsPEO5tn7+W/l3uFuiKCn8rWRzoX3cB/vdn0xEF bjRlbxJ27o1+jlqooXD42HSQBuQ1XOavCyIjTBJWOzn83U/zbgD+CooaQDwwpxyinpff XQT1huiBzJwO/IerBScoivU65eJLA0zZhX7/WqoNF6KPctYLka1w+lHIgOAk58rJ2xRY hRsA== Received: by 10.68.191.41 with SMTP id gv9mr7791867pbc.45.1342618782123; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-45-78.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.45.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oy8sm16227330pbc.52.2012.07.18.06.39.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5006BC97.2090104@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:39:35 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee&John Howard References: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any chance that your pulling on fuel lines might have broken the soft mount seal on the carb to intake manifold connection and you are getting an air leak at the base of the carbs? armchair diagnosis is a matter of WAGs. On 7/17/12 4:55 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Good ideas. > I never added the fuel pressure gauge because, well, it was working > fine without it! . As long as everything works a inline fuel pressure gauge is pretty useless. But the second you have a problem with the engine running it can tell you that your fuel system down stream of the carb is working OK, has a problem or maybe you should walk to the nearest gas station with an empty container. A fuel gauge can be a big diagnosis time saver. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 07:48:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16E02D065C for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:48:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC682D055A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so1982864yen.14 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:50:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zGASlufRXwJodXp3CGPtGWup7I5tx3rkY9SHpsheK6o=; b=bqUKp40UnLQQpKQShXb1wOalkQqW4TAy8B3moe8t4yGjndqgJktAsXmiSF55uyaZhR Y5MmyVNx+5q2SISpiCHTkRg7xK5lsUYmCusFl7SGLZk7OGhAdoC5okT4NjYUK199kz8P o3QQOnyJpuTpHTyHZT7fbqjC0txYnzygmPSDAal8wKGiIBtqlzqIrlGOdxB2+Gkt2D3c FXpNr871xvUQkBt3r4tLw9lPgy1StJxPCoFwgtqt313nxXCfNfq1iqMHjQ464dXJT4Me ycoc/tJQ6bO0cAO6gMxvrvmxIRzjO/62nQfGUBiTrBR5VcXIrmbUYdnSr31TzqSSqqnh X8UQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.87.228 with SMTP id bb4mr2114560igb.27.1342619407124; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.84.36 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:50:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5006BC97.2090104@gmail.com> References: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> <5006BC97.2090104@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:50:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lee&John Howard" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now there's a horrible thought! I'll take a look; guess I can roughly test by simply grasping the carbs and wiggling them about. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:39 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Any chance that your pulling on fuel lines might have broken the soft > mount seal on the carb to intake manifold connection and you are getting an > air leak at the base of the carbs? > > armchair diagnosis is a matter of WAGs. > > > > On 7/17/12 4:55 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > >> Good ideas. >> I never added the fuel pressure gauge because, well, it was working fine >> without it! >> > . > As long as everything works a inline fuel pressure gauge is pretty > useless. But the second you have a problem with the engine running it can > tell you that your fuel system down stream of the carb is working OK, has a > problem or maybe you should walk to the nearest gas station with an empty > container. A fuel gauge can be a big diagnosis time saver. > > TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 08:12:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CC52D0656 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:12:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B8E2D05C0 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so2033045ghr.14 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:09:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=cF5Y6jDcYe4uKyPdV7yHg3DdIkHRKZq8YW5g++tLlUM=; b=MgNw80C27ISoZuoGa0a5tHUJeqC180pwJklDpUsK3R1jDFjS9TsFffJqqPriHikCSN t+w5jTriiLMciW+RBKKwElwXQfEIYu9e5PQKgrxrJL3nDkWkN1WMagShkCYuYcHd6qgG m/8/Ne3BPztd/qaA3xff/+TqbGkeQLBb+/bAJnacTvOwSi2KqX0An8SEl0Z0zfwuEdsL A83TIYaaC9Hwuk3fiRNdbOtick9L8HfRSwi95z01GkO6acMXjDr5161QASWrvfxoinDB acgyj4AgRRJBFXYVdBgJnaRNWxZUMJM6E62qoljDgSEPvMMgnHJt2PZLd3lJ4Wck8bYN +how== Received: by 10.68.138.169 with SMTP id qr9mr8055777pbb.27.1342620578095; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-45-78.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.45.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id of4sm16271353pbb.51.2012.07.18.07.09.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5006C39E.1020602@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:09:34 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee&John Howard References: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> <5006BC97.2090104@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/18/12 6:50 AM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Now there's a horrible thought! I'll take a look; guess I can roughly > test by simply grasping the carbs and wiggling them about. A rough test would usually be spraying something non flammable on the seal area to see if the idle settles down while the liquid is blocking any gap. The soft mounts are supposed to allow slight movement of the carbs. How old are your soft mounts? The rubber seals can crack over time and repeated heatings. > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:39 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > wrote: > > Any chance that your pulling on fuel lines might have broken the > soft mount seal on the carb to intake manifold connection and you > are getting an air leak at the base of the carbs? > > armchair diagnosis is a matter of WAGs. > > > > On 7/17/12 4:55 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > > Good ideas. > I never added the fuel pressure gauge because, well, it was > working fine without it! > > . > As long as everything works a inline fuel pressure gauge is pretty > useless. But the second you have a problem with the engine > running it can tell you that your fuel system down stream of the > carb is working OK, has a problem or maybe you should walk to the > nearest gas station with an empty container. A fuel gauge can be > a big diagnosis time saver. > > TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 08:15:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56362D064A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:15:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F6BA2D04EA for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 14:17:59 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 14:17:59 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.112] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 14:17:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 14:17:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 504945.69845.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16806 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 14:17:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=snet.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fcdRHKpCEFCSG7141rOsAY6TxNKYy/VosA61lIG77kQO2JY4UvFrDpvbSj6JEMEHD9cMSz+oXynBSk/dHOJDvu4baZMnN78NY8uOKu3oxQ/M6iqUF/bcA3lusQuT30K0peEngUv+9j1cflv66ZvbWWqcQk5ri/R4oP+zOZ83y3U= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=snet.net; s=s1024; t=1342621079; bh=/eUENWFuw7vmiuq2j99sSiWO4Sppf8fX4A3Zb+7VBlI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mnPBSV/72jSYwOS4I9HOfjbAW32jpfPi5TnhU/D/RdTCoWS8d90vrVqwLiLWlNCDE8PkQYWYrjOEh8S8wnRziLwfagaAD9zyFKX8hjNOrnaFuknMoTvHC7j3x3yWKAJEUNBLJknksVtTyLDtZ9NGLuHKNCDOTtvMasX85kwSKaE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Hc4UcKkVM1kNalsGS_qu3rhB_2s4g.ZCUzOW.FftLkGnNLf _cTAIzdj1SdyLYbmkD4zJtvWbikJRZ_jwUu7HncfBhbU3iZ0AwA1daIMqyxy v5DV9HmFXHTVnA.2uOnUUWSICm8k4Y4rDMZAZcHXGEtlfKeTy5.AXlBPHZYX 3nK7N3.ZiZdT.YYOZcROuBouIZOGnSy3S.hGcLU2gRMLsfP6OJGy2_lMaclN jMxytzI5BO_8URa6kn3hCHlituuqov2OzsBq62NHzptaTHEv46UkkK88ntQg aS1dxUeYLmDZOf7Ceu13XkKNnA5V5xyjENkL4dQxdb0iCFmRojH_WA2ViEEo o9Q43o5jMbja3VcxtIVGpa8PKWV3gcPfJWT5OYCusIRFcLK.W3n.AVK5dG2e gJk7tS28MWBkdanUX0zhQXy_j_TVbot_Df1o- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1WRl2sCswBCmBhi2CkDx6GhQLKxZxMCnH2D4LA-- Received: from [127.0.0.1] (jmitch@99.33.193.165 with plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 07:17:59 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <5006C580.2000208@snet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:17:36 -0400 From: John Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stag@digest.net, Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] A type solenoid cover plate X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an A type OD transmission which I intend to convert my Stag to use. It doesn't have a solenoid mounted and I've collected most of the parts I need, but I can't locate a cover plate. It's shown in Rimmers catalogue but is not available. Does anyone know where I can locate one, preferably in the US. Thanks for any help. John Mitchell 72 Stag 76 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 09:46:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570AE2D064A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:46:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E92D2D0508 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:41:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 15:43:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.194] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 15:43:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 15:43:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 44951.45555.bm@omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38736 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 15:43:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342626210; bh=nAY9DkINlewvHUC8ArwWRsiK7aVttAxAhPFMSIaOCt8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YCEOQsgn9bDGgSfjHBmOqddHQW/NhfxWWN+/kPaXcwFAa5TJw5cfD8eVGhQjwUzb5OjFkd3fxkozG1OOCFlDCKiKAW8RoHYf64gIlZETIfTtznWdUgOsQn2jcBFj6ConNbqOu9efQGStzULX1jO6aCXHKTHqPP57nnWu77jpIjI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u+tzPGEjG8eazTk6ohYh/75T9Mekj5ns9w3xEkX4hrWsdaUCh/o3AMmm4lQoftcOu2nqlUrca6+z5LY4Dy9h73EBAwllayYF9zAoFJOrzLlN+lYZ/ZoYsYOhCgKg8f3mSThqd7niNoCIQrseOiepY0eYMuwi/V8X80n/MNgaSnI=; X-YMail-OSG: _jid0aIVM1nhPsf_LseDo3tqQum2UoDYnTKjTj1TNmH9VAV IiE313Q2b4XrvUVov9b3b7mrtKg.blCY0q7dAYW8.tootNdUAVqEHEhSeXae 3H7D7O_BVOu9KA4e._CUpf8doYmb.XlRYpO4BHU.fU9bjpbTknps.NentfcD Iko8YMAAlrQXufWPIcHDbOXS3W5oTh5OV_ZQpv6MXjrfqiG3w9DLmTo5ruq2 0DlR_k.em9ehf4rDkvAx.97hexfJrjPs3XGTxA7G3myyLw_dpJh4D8FFT2T1 Dkry9bK_jwbAyZzils2Z0U07xZZZqzgB5ocF8yrPbE8k1T65FYS2EFINRwoU zApdAIPglE6FRS4x3ilDh1z8lZ3YqJzIEMBZ3Jq3tvAg9Gv2DUgC5RvP_6Vc I6XZQjiLLBtO.cr2EzmmezWyYrC39DtOJxIYMMAB3.4V8b9Ppizo.rMlDlcg Sv0ia87qPZWu6ODL_5j8wqnuh Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:43:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1342600593.78744.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1342626210.19250.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: John Macartney , Triumph List In-Reply-To: <1342600593.78744.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John i feel your pain. here in the excited states we are leading up to a general election and we are being bombarded with so much more than the Olympics. politicians saying your a liar...uh uh no, you are...no you are...no you are......ahhhhhhhhh. at least with Olympics you get a change of venue and participants. like you i so look forward each day to checking my mail and seeing something car related. can we make a pack to wander off topic until November? provided its automotive based? ;-0 Frank ________________________________ From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:36 AM Subject: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) Listers There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England. I suppose I should be as enthusiastic as so many of my fellow countrymen seem to be about the very imminent Oh_lim_pic Games. No matter where you go, what you do, whatever you may want to see or hear on the radio and TV - all we get is an undiluted torrent of Oh_lim_pic Games. No doubt when they're (thankfully) over, there will be further months of speculation and review on who / what / why so-and-so did/didn't do whatever they did and speaking purely for myself, WGAS? Well, I don't - but I suspect I'm in a very small minority. So Triumph stuff please and as much as all of you can generate. Doesn't matter if the old chestnuts of dashpot oil and stuck float valves get another airing, for me it'll be far far better than athletics, swimming, jumping, throwing spears, cycling up long hills - and the fact that too many events were cancelled because of the rain... I suppose one aspect of interest is that Uncle David Cameron has seen fit for the rooftops of certain London high rise buildings are now being equipped with guided missiles Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:02:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3670B2D0527 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5132D04EF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so2216823yhr.14 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:03:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=L2XcmfoMELb0YrQ/DfGCxroce7qkXLqDvouuHu5cCjs=; b=STZ5VP9NmCGmreIhvqFfgldKht5e0GTcWJ2IsazUCy9SviOJqmVvMbtxqi39Jr5hfG 7n1iv/uZt5RXN5wIaRG8LABPAUeLp8WmO5QaQWbRO/ThNrQZrqCrcGX+bUT/oQ1Rkftp 6kvvjIB70TEkV9BhdJF5YsdXo8IZ56ZonT9yv1lMts5DlVEiLcaF90LRXlHDYksfFc7Z sy+sQu1wiPs5XzO8LxCAQvyAxA7jG/yYhDXI3VKJkGvWqGgGGEWBzk3YSafxw14oePUQ gvK1C/tbclNta+LySKKYJw0Am6xQNTJHdWzTT3PudiMNrAp82z5D1JDRJB9OdnmVyEqE MVhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.222.200 with SMTP id qo8mr2595677igc.20.1342627416249; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:03:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:03:35 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Malcolm X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Malcolm wrote: > This distributor is marked with service mark 40842 A, which appears to be > a TR4A low-compression unit? > It is my understanding that the only differences among the 25D distributors were the vacuum advances and the springs. You may be able to make it suitable with just a spring change, but... I think the usual vendors supply you with a bunch of springs and leave it to you to work out which 2 are what you need (i.e. there is no packaging marked 'TR3A springs', 'TR4 Springs', 'TR4A Springs', etc.). There is of course equipment that can be used to set the advance curve but since that is beyond the reach of most of us I think you can approixmate the correct curve with some guess work, trial & error and a timing light (with a degree dial on it). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:03:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3BE2D069D for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:03:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEF52D0539 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:44 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=indiefilmnet.com; s=MDaemon; t=1342627501; x=1343232301; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=BNUtVrJLbLsvLjBsL36rciygGZxVLPMmoBbENVpBJBY=; b=n12 60ACgyBwMEjZyZlRMm/vEsECr/IrjUwLFFPZQxJ4Ag1FOwYgfwkFlo35HhSl88EH F79Kk0sB07+0JgzBS3bh7WAkdhU3k3iuYkJz5+Wnq60BmR6LVohuWc6LkUCm8ffn hzq2zpIwF2M/qu6CQCNA5cqg7c4EjMTjqmyySR4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=y2EX29cRH6apFaQ4/MpOx/uHZBqGteRw6PqFk+d2ez1pADYjRlxWgcjvONhd DIN0COIJh0PzWeU8YSQl8LgfrWpMH23+i0zkVpa9E6gmdaJ06+XXrWHLR 9BgZRWxph+nN1KuJJ6vVTtypbOiIpk1JA4f8MrrQd7VOv44ht9NW0Q=; X-MDAV-Processed: sysfx.com, Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:05:01 -0400 Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.5) with ESMTP id 01-md50000114166.msg for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:04:59 -0400 X-Spam-Processed: sysfx.com, Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:04:59 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mark.Hooper@indiefilmnet.com X-HashCash: 1:20:120718:md50000114166::FOL1NiVYbKHo0Hq8:000011LP X-MDRemoteIP: 76.70.38.32 X-Return-Path: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-Envelope-From: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:00:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: 'John Macartney' , 'Triumph List' In-Reply-To: <1342600593.78744.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8160ed83.1cd64fe.b9283b67.63d7@indiefilmnet.com> Organization: IndieFIlmNet X-Mailer: Outlook Connector for MDaemon 2.2.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had to laugh upon reading your note; I have friends in London who have escaped to Ireland for the duration of the activities. They express the same enthusiasm as you. I recall the experience when it was hosted here in Montreal. It was most interesting for a couple of weeks, but the 30 years of payments and corruption investigations that followed were somewhat deflating. I imagine that London is better organised. By the by, viz your comment about defence systems; I understand that there are certain zones in the Big Apple that are now equipped with some interesting toys... for Triumph content, be sure to correctly adjust your TRs points, or the occasional backfire when driving may get you the attention of a jumpy C-RAM operator hiding around the next corner. Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: July-18-12 4:37 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis :) Listers There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England. I suppose I should be as enthusiastic as so many of my fellow countrymen seem to be about the very imminent Oh_lim_pic Games. No matter where you go, what you do, whatever you may want to see or hear on the radio and TV - all we get is an undiluted torrent of Oh_lim_pic Games. No doubt when they're (thankfully) over, there will be further months of speculation and review on who / what / why so-and-so did/didn't do whatever they did and speaking purely for myself, WGAS? Well, I don't - but I suspect I'm in a very small minority. So Triumph stuff please and as much as all of you can generate. Doesn't matter if the old chestnuts of dashpot oil and stuck float valves get another airing, for me it'll be far far better than athletics, swimming, jumping, throwing spears, cycling up long hills - and the fact that too many events were cancelled because of the rain... I suppose one aspect of interest is that Uncle David Cameron has seen fit for the rooftops of certain London high rise buildings are now being equipped with guided missiles Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:07:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1A22D0656 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:07:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBDC2D0489 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so2183218yen.14 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=z4vvK20QP6vHDDPHzsc8LJDxCmiygxCoED3oqj7uD7I=; b=QdaVU/lbCz2/At8LUbTc0JUqCuKIily6EZchtygdBRwzggP8QPpYcRKNCnRguCyCoT BC1y1kQYO0MX12jUAHWJSbSAvxQ2AyVBK88FxkfLLxOBQgTzw+n0VDYflw5K6MjJC2Mv nVd8He8u82eG05KaCCbLEf0mgYU7RxodGpy478inN5HnQd2u7LCZwi1/K0CJlGDkk2UG 7WR7gRiZthVWZToIdjC5B+ny2ap/4hVHSQLzK81GyP5eZoZU66Zi5cNz1C8t78bh0Sj1 WsTrCnsSwkS2/Sy1LAWyK13iRuIgOqJwHAX6tf/nmJjNUmR5uv8y07ebkL5LtWj16hNS WcSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.132 with SMTP id v4mr2606545igm.25.1342627809433; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:10:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50066f85.1ea.4afa.3734@clear.net.nz> References: <50066f85.1ea.4afa.3734@clear.net.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:10:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: diggle@clear.net.nz X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Compression Ratio X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would get a timing light aimed at it and see what the advance is when things are 'all in' say around 3000 RPM -- then back the throttle down and see at what engine speed you are getting that much advance. BTW -- Are you using brand-name gas? I long pooh-poohed the advantages of brand names but due to a grocery store discount program started using Shell rather than the no-names and found I could move from premium to regular without any change in timing. Geo On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:10 AM, wrote: > Gives me a ratio of 9.6. which I am very happy with. > Which I would not have thought would cause pinking with > 96octane. > My engine reconditioner (a friend) says that it more likely > because of a tired dizzy, ie weak springs. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:21:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3422D0651 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:21:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E072C2D0508 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bpD01j0081ap0As51sPPmZ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:23:23 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([98.218.152.215]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bsPZ1j00L4f5vDe3isPZle; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:23:33 +0000 Message-ID: <5006E2F5.7070508@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:23:17 -0400 From: John T Nichols User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Firefox/13.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR Graveyard in Alabama X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the late 1970s a friend who was rebuilding a TR3A in Tuscaloosa, AL took me with him to a farm in north Alabama where a fellow had several dozen TR3s/TR4s strewn about his hilly property. He allowed us to wonder about and pull off any parts we needed. Most of these cars had been damaged in accidents or fires. I have no idea anymore where exactly this was. However he did advertise in Hemmings in the 70s and maybe into the 80s. I have often wondered what happened to all those cars. John T. Nichols '58 TR3A TS32093LO '86 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:33:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B012D065C for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:33:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F042D0502 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=oryKnJCVDu4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Raj1XCc55ooTwtNOTPMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:61686] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 56/9D-28917-2E4E6005; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:31:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Malcolm'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:31:19 -0700 Message-ID: <01b901cd6502$c3339510$499abf30$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1k/wskxd4IXUuFT7eKPRPjZsx1hQAA58Cw Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ignition question (and hello!) X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It is my understanding that the only differences among the 25D > distributors > were the vacuum advances and the springs. Also the stop that limits maximum advance. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79312D0489 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:34:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from arroyo.ext.ti.com (arroyo.ext.ti.com [192.94.94.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435152D0508 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dlelxv30.itg.ti.com ([172.17.2.17]) by arroyo.ext.ti.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q6IGYkSN016095 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:34:46 -0500 Received: from DFLE73.ent.ti.com (dfle73.ent.ti.com [128.247.5.110]) by dlelxv30.itg.ti.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6IGYkYC026799 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:34:46 -0500 Received: from DLEE01.ent.ti.com ([fe80::9545:c9d2:c053:428]) by DFLE73.ent.ti.com ([fe80::86e:fab6:cd95:e158%28]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:34:46 -0500 From: "Fisher, Ed" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England Thread-Index: Ac1lAz0kipO77M17TfOQWum0C2hR2Q== Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:34:46 +0000 Message-ID: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [128.247.5.50] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John said, "There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England." That makes my heart proud in Texas! Good luck over there John, hubbub of almost any variety will wither on the vine if we can just tolerate the brief frenzies. Of course, here in the states we generate at least one hubbub per day if not hour, thinly veiled as news, but strangely, they have become some sort of a perverted entertainment source it would seem. On a car note, my 1958 TR3A is still waiting patiently for me to go in there and get started on it. Sigh. Cars are far more patient than humans. Ed Fisher Dallas, Tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:37:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7842D0649 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:37:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE8F2D04C2 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=I4XUMkXWM4wA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=6tkfyQ9K8E-DdN5t7acA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:61730] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F8/2F-17657-7D6E6005; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:39:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Mitchell'" , , References: <5006C580.2000208@snet.net> In-Reply-To: <5006C580.2000208@snet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:39:41 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd01cd6503$ee4a33c0$cade9b40$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1k8C1i78evuK9VQEK+2VxUjGPfewAE3U3g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] A type solenoid cover plate X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have an A type OD transmission which I intend to convert my Stag > to use. It doesn't have a solenoid mounted and I've collected most of > the parts I need, but I can't locate a cover plate. You're talking about just the flat cover, not the mounting plate/box, right? Should be trivial to make something that would serve as the cover, all it does is help keep dirt and rocks out of the area. The TR2-6 left the solenoid area open to the elements and rarely seem to have any problem. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 10:53:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513092D04DB for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:53:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6841F2D04DB for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-43511925.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.25.37]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTP id <0M7D00G5Q8C6KON0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:55:12 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <002601cd6506$19107310$4b315930$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac1lBhi8Okdr0VjsRzykZuOfjoUYCA== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Keep the posts coming on a daily basis X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonmac wrote: >Putting them in LBC's (a good TR6 here costs $20k before conversion) which is maybe less than the >true mobile system - but we just can't afford it, old chap. Jon - US comedian Gallagher suggested something similar many years ago. He suggested that since people were cruising around the US in motor homes, the government should strap a missile on the top of each one creating, what else, ICBMWs (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile Winnebagos). Dennis Culligan/ 1976 TR6 CF57948U/ See it on "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" 9 PM Thurs. Crackle.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 12:23:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1572D0500 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:23:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mainet.com (smtp.mainet.com [209.70.172.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F8C2D04E8 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HQ-MTA by smtp.mainet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:24:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5006C71E020000EF0000DFEC@smtp.mainet.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 8.0.2 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:24:30 -0400 From: "John Walker" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Subject: [TR] Recalcitrant TR-3B Status Report X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, In the spirit of responding to Jonmac's request for TR related posts on this site - May I make a small contribution to the validation of the well known fact that all TR fuel problems are electrical. After extensive trouble shooting and diagnosis of the Recalcitrant TR-3B's failure to start after having been running earlier in the day, I decided that just for kicks, I would sound the fuel tank, tho I was sure it was about a quarter full. As a result, I verified that all fuel problems are, in fact, electrical, except when the tank is EMPTY. But this too can be considered an electrical problem, since the fuel gauge doesn't work yet. Good news is that the Recalcitrant TR-3B is finally legal, with plates on the way. I actually drove it all the way to the DMV and back without incident. Forgot what fun it was to drive, and was very pleased with the HVDA 5-speed conversion. A nice tight, short throw tranny that was a joy to drive. The interior is almost complete, and with any luck, I'll be participating in Reno's "Hot August Nights" classic car celebration the 2nd week in August. JW TR-3B TS 68368 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 12:54:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F052D05D8 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:54:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 032192D04F4 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4188 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 18:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.138.90.252) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.105) with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2012 18:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <61D82CD10B1B43E7BC62008925115543@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:56:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] webers on a tr3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net has anyone done this successfully? I ask this because I have a beautiful set of fully restored webers that were going on another car, and I wondered if they would not be better on the 3, which already has a mild cam in it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 13:12:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94D52D05CA for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:12:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC4A92D04EF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.113] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:14:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 49511.70587.bm@omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83466 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 19:14:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=3eLnlK3QifcrCUzVOvojG1BGuUo/HbWkQhQYu4axe7W9bbeieL4nXJTpqIm7MPEQ379BXPfSbcpdcGuqEDCaz8/GW6Sj1zllM0/Obg3+uCXg7FLwHhPev6WdKtQqyDmQl+njr+slERfPl1zG103ApnbFDgbkGAqFGMP7zhSbFOQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342638898; bh=kuF/Sbc9X8ZYPHsH8UMoZ8bAAcABLDo2eHb5XbgR4S8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=DWdsi5PfFEuLs776C4KtrFoFmE6sgXYl3WcFnMu00sbvjL2h4w3F1L3R8NIJ2MSIAwFdrB9YumKiYMHrr6Kw/6QMLODO6qiuiCGt0CqAhOkRjWcSb4GrKmQ2qPLZ4/gh1mI4l8X8Xnlbf7FJyWsoDNXZfu4MoKv7sWL2qApDn/w= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: XQfQqbUVM1lbDFM86HvuQfKXHLlgaz_ku5Kz1GFtDilCiwK acZY05orma_YMgd6lYzNX8ZOQYHZlWU54OuPjZoio0osmSzXYxQeUpCIo_dg zmaJrVE6nsVDHe7csbZ2vteYptYsW.ycrrRzTkooP4AHIF_hYPoWhRvPb_2G ApBHFDlI4c638XrufnsMh77Cz5kkBw_w4ZLao2MigDy1uSdR1GmYklW7PdBd 6ahIw9kzg8chvZ.dZhf1VHD_JuPZ4Rscfvx2j0jZTAh8da1nidOmYpH4UvDa F3SllpVyhLcAeRzGfIYombyo8bxhE37NZJWkg4.YcEv1c5MQVkhiun04wRNB JO21.EkMdEYKsDLsI3aaJLUcLdGt4ctV1Bv876hurMVUQEqVU.QGPfIGOCou c7.zd8WhdkBXSbqMwqvjOjgAz3f9qO6Cpgs5TJRiY6b_fCLWD66jM9Ngx.6j GVPG0MyuIqvtO7xdzvFP.z2aXagcgCtglqZ1prUS2Cfscs.z7mwPIxqKv3BS 4FJxyooSUJngczPVuANaQqR_jB48NofiSC40XE.ULGQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 12:14:58 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Fisher, Ed'" , References: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: <9694C89A20B64A63879C9DD521B143FD@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> Thread-Index: Ac1lAz0kipO77M17TfOQWum0C2hR2QAFNjog Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, indeed he did, I caught that all the way out here in the west Texas of Abilene. Maybe John was raised in southern England? Had a genteel nanny from Beaumont? OK, back to the TR side: Got the 3B frame back from the sandblaster and hurriedly sprayed on the etch primer coat. Along with the blister raised on my trigger finger I found and interesting crack that lead to an interesting bend in the rail. Everything was so nasty that I missed it beforehand. Now, any of y'all know a good 'ol west Texas frame guy? Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fisher, Ed Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:35 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England John said, "There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England." That makes my heart proud in Texas! Good luck over there John, hubbub of almost any variety will wither on the vine if we can just tolerate the brief frenzies. Of course, here in the states we generate at least one hubbub per day if not hour, thinly veiled as news, but strangely, they have become some sort of a perverted entertainment source it would seem. On a car note, my 1958 TR3A is still waiting patiently for me to go in there and get started on it. Sigh. Cars are far more patient than humans. Ed Fisher Dallas, Tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 13:44:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DAE2D04EF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7C902D03DB for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:46:13 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:46:13 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:46:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 19:46:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 851557.28583.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14726 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 19:46:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=h7ali+L7NL4rJ/AUyrkPFS99BvyeWAaEMRP/RLauCo7vOP1i1Y/7Xi2BA/3BKPIxwjBnIVX2AzP9TVOsf6epp536n/pHN/6be7hsr6E7bSbtkioSbVBfAAUNUbaY2QzEfyyfP2dEQXxZs8VI59/UoG+r9ZVS6s+udpF7Sra3igw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342640773; bh=D3jAP9Nqip9Gy7HAqbVCrl/Y2DmlD8n61ZmbBiZB3Kg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=rl2tV3l0K3WAntgkN6X/3dGxDttbXf3jjHmD+m3Ri3IVDmfgCc+GGJonjgm7ny22LeeOX5CLITBpSdBoP9mNBVIJVhULvD00pBdeiwNxWo1rKW7BAWHn4quze08eXHZqmQwcF6vA96xc95T5uQfSN8jH8i0V0gQoHZXssAf2lIs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: nTMclSYVM1lxJPAbqs8lwaYPamBYNArq2N045Ybs8wwyCuB AnNwomc958WCekza9pZYtlJ8Kc0Llbe2qvVwSpOEHksV99lfChIN9JC3ZAgn a7gBbn52Jkyzt2OvZ_TDqn8H5S50R5WHCHe6X.xi1IA2dCcW0JdSXJctXjJe RwDwq_dDlSHWyLwMZ08DKScrRs013ORYe6B9wd5Y2beKEwsGZIgAT5s8jX9C UuyMaAm.nNpfke_JsTgLXGGOk5_qGrueuR5iPJEvFuGKnxbgMMvbi8W.TeC2 sAX7ijwftMifVDank.lHEBmvB0dIXolo83v7HQBMpR_rRSNBhkhrUcaV2Ofh dLprYO7Xm.XqC9qF4l4I7m1o45VQu5rxHqOQXeDpB2k_r4cqzOXS4k92OBjj 6lNabnV04oAB8iYrSt4Dinpt39e7WNtEHlIZ180Ck_W7fynZ15bdauYLOs_V IAVi86RNpMiImIjCCPJKxnXg6tYJiFoPJ X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 12:46:13 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'John T Nichols'" , References: <5006E2F5.7070508@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5006E2F5.7070508@comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ac1lAbbO3YbxoiyWQsaA8qr9NjljFgAG4h9w Subject: Re: [TR] TR Graveyard in Alabama X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interestingly, Andrew Uprichard just put me in touch with probably this guy. Marv Gruber in Florence, AL, he has a TR graveyard and has been re-building TRs for 40 years. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John T Nichols Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:23 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR Graveyard in Alabama In the late 1970s a friend who was rebuilding a TR3A in Tuscaloosa, AL took me with him to a farm in north Alabama where a fellow had several dozen TR3s/TR4s strewn about his hilly property. He allowed us to wonder about and pull off any parts we needed. Most of these cars had been damaged in accidents or fires. I have no idea anymore where exactly this was. However he did advertise in Hemmings in the 70s and maybe into the 80s. I have often wondered what happened to all those cars. John T. Nichols '58 TR3A TS32093LO '86 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 13:48:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFE32D04CC for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:48:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066852D033A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:48:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6IJobYA012218 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:50:38 -0400 Received: from core-moa003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0C778E000086 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:50:37 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342641038; bh=g/Xp24B/PheotL1nHVdaonWwXri8byHSwuPQ4mKfO7k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BZyTevPh2+e10WAgT07KipQ+YBORkNiBsUPSEeUNM0MzJ6vCJAvnTwyi+BkJjlRqw ShRJf4z+oTtCTeeyJA5KYqlU7cZj88Li+fApAPdoYjPkOAdFsHmLSIKffgiCyLN1Ub c90h3bKIWTuQe3BM/mu7CDmPcE6iPZuPgLm0Hi78= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:260788624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c5007138e2409 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't falter yourself. Jonmac probably thinks all Americans say y'all in the same way we think all Brits wear bowler hats and use walking canes. TR content: My TR3 is running. In fact I drove it to a local show on Easter. Still needs an interior and front chrome. But it also needs the front fenders aligned so the bonnet will close. But all the electrical stuff works. All of it. But then it better since I fancy myself as rather clever on that front. Anybody wanna swap a TR3 front bumper for a TR3A front bumper? Dave In a message dated 7/18/2012 2:15:07 PM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: > Yes, indeed he did, I caught that all the way out here in the west Texas > of > Abilene. Maybe John was raised in southern England? Had a genteel nanny > from Beaumont? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 14:17:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2992D055A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:17:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.ctinetworks.com (smtp2.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F7F2D04BA for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 42A851D2066 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "davewillner" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:20:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: 42A851D2066.A02EF X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1343506807.92308@SY/Rs1d7zAm+sGAPTkYcKQ X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Standard Triumph period or OEM lighter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I misplaced the photo I had of an original Standard Triumph lighter, does anyone have a picture than can send...one appropriate for a TR3. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS Sometimes its better to travel than to arrive... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 15:32:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED342D04FD for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:32:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ED02D03B9 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail201-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.233) by CO1EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.243.66.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:55 +0000 Received: from mail201-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail201-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C4F401F9 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:207.46.4.139; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:SN2PRD0202HT005.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: PS-1(zzc85dhzz1202hzz8275bh2ba5Iz2fh2a8h668h839hd25he5bhf0ah107ah10d2h) Received-SPF: pass (mail201-co1: domain of uga.edu designates 207.46.4.139 as permitted sender) client-ip=207.46.4.139; envelope-from=mathews@uga.edu; helo=SN2PRD0202HT005.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail201-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail201-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1342647291856035_6806; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.232]) by mail201-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57E8CC004B for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SN2PRD0202HT005.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (207.46.4.139) by CO1EHSMHS019.bigfish.com (10.243.66.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (50.96.90.211) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.27.51.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.15.86.1; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:50 +0000 Message-ID: <50072BF3.6070507@uga.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:34:43 -0400 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'Triumph Mail List' X-Originating-IP: [50.96.90.211] X-OriginatorOrg: uga.edu X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Stolen Healey X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mathews@uga.edu List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pretty fascinating if you ask me! http://www.wsbradio.com/videos/news/national/man-finds-car-stolen-40-years-ago-on-ebay/vcn9g/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 16:48:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6962D04C6 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:48:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A24EE2D04C2 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 22:49:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.167] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 22:49:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 22:49:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 71794.73590.bm@omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36983 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 22:49:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342651769; bh=jaubmAdPs1t2Z3hBYbZNIKAbVsGK6v1+YUvNnu6ds8E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W0FcdBcDgc0/0mCh6BdMpVnHSoWfSd5F7XOpxLfJ03ZBWYlhVqH84oYDX1Nqbfwm7b2TbZLqPTyfr4Bn+P97FhscZyMxreAxpoFXLQwAno9aacSkDT7akWfnt8h2OVlCqPGQ0TerZMpTi+9rg01nf0puDaF00VUA7YzhTRaBo+s= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NC1FR9XM8KufEe30drZYl65vfO4aXgjsBygZUT7CmEX/NEmCZOh8FvVc6pcKX4jylRKXmNZ/wme2b46nX0+gIj+FFjhKpU/HgIx6sfv01yzMdSyvDUHFZkNeocbXX8l+/FSLT7bG1KbH82rC5ILJZbUKDcODW0v1fz4avF9ny2s=; X-YMail-OSG: .ozEXKMVM1kWh61la_zi5PDDqzHoUYs.Iq20VsHnzWwAHCl qCUJiSJbM__o2YldhEzdQNX_PszYCgYwXpFKxpz9YHD2u5aBDw..HXgGkGwy VoMzpxjf4JdDNJU81wi0m63oBzsY4oxFCOXHIRCxUA.r1y7vfhyKhSFVQVz. PlSGGSxrLutuSPvSPxxGd1LkgEtQFk893hqJzUn.VXlshx3pe2FmFSgg32Do .zYWeIZ5eAerPVEyxWi8iyq6ztI2aFLQOnmSChY3KoPmhgYyw7xMGznxOvmT TSIKJTMQUv7fW_m33F3bp1RYYaqBVAthwZgsx2tBBwEzMaWEIYgBwYKG7Ey8 IOFUOoRD.Y0hiazOt.OVcoh5A3KIG4LUO0K6s.c.lXYT3LL0AtrQnwOxBED_ U52UvH47f9fkpMjPFHLc_ZXZeSMmmz_FKLjjEcmRFg2csy9SSuKwUYU98Ka_ PefOcJHMqIhTI8QycnB70g0q3 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:49:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342651769.36233.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John dun visited us already. he knows just ax him Frank ________________________________ From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England Don't falter yourself. Jonmac probably thinks all Americans say y'all in the same way we think all Brits wear bowler hats and use walking canes. TR content: My TR3 is running. In fact I drove it to a local show on Easter. Still needs an interior and front chrome. But it also needs the front fenders aligned so the bonnet will close. But all the electrical stuff works. All of it. But then it better since I fancy myself as rather clever on that front. Anybody wanna swap a TR3 front bumper for a TR3A front bumper? Dave In a message dated 7/18/2012 2:15:07 PM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: > Yes, indeed he did, I caught that all the way out here in the west Texas > of > Abilene. Maybe John was raised in southern England? Had a genteel nanny > from Beaumont? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 17:16:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6B02D04F4 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:16:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3B52D0496 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:12:51 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NNgSg4omhz/QDQ6UJFLBcHCngxLMMAmECdJ8kgXzzR6hjx1W82tvLD37ALTtOEeC; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.37.144.68] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SrdSQ-0006En-2T for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <8EC92E79AE734626B3F6E8DFA82B9D4F@Shemp> From: "Cliff Hansen" To: References: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> In-Reply-To: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:15:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-ELNK-Trace: 528c356ac306a91c1da3787d14811d2a4d2b10475b571120945a0fa3f3db1e199f566aa2878a3e9d895ea1aa7be60835350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.37.144.68 Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the Virginia/North Carolina dialect in which I was once schooled, correct grammar would be "all y'all." Not sure that Texans make that distinction. Natives of my current city of residence don't understand either case. Cliff Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: Fisher, Ed Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England John said, "There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England." That makes my heart proud in Texas! Good luck over there John, hubbub of almost any variety will wither on the vine if we can just tolerate the brief frenzies. Of course, here in the states we generate at least one hubbub per day if not hour, thinly veiled as news, but strangely, they have become some sort of a perverted entertainment source it would seem. On a car note, my 1958 TR3A is still waiting patiently for me to go in there and get started on it. Sigh. Cars are far more patient than humans. Ed Fisher Dallas, Tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 17:36:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593442D04DC for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:36:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B623F2D03A8 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6INYk3x002333 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:34:46 -0400 Received: from core-mob005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.209]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1E212E000085 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <6cff2.8c0c5f2.3d38a215@cs.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:34:45 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342654486; bh=FeIBINOJU6tgki+D6bscqjFej7jHcc5eg/gvUnmS8Y4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x8hDokbUzlXKF/O9940fjTZXN+Ds9syCvXL8SwU29ZY9JWDNzdxBHSaiKorTZJ+Ib 4k61bh3W2ypQQ5myZU7Nc8iIIqgpIo2ZzIMPZPLFnNKZsDj3GqgqXeO/XosP5p+DdI 2AUpo/DTJP7Ve/OIp76s/1Hpx3pJgPuGEc5s/E/A= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404912768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909500748166df9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No way! He might tell me that not everybody wears a bowler hat. In a message dated 7/18/2012 5:49:31 PM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > John dun visited us already. > he knows > just ax him ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 18:06:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5332D04E0 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:06:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A13232D0486 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 00:07:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 00:07:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 737392.37011.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67465 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2012 00:07:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=3pcxG8vHED1amNYxNO/Ei5J+hggzg2t5KJW+8OoHsNnnXNJAnTXYYooae2OWjLzg02qJVjqkoEPvRx72VAmdYGTUM/MnxiiVcSjSOxCfBVhvoVGU5FJc6uFynhQSWUFnA+m7AJwqZQbir3yt+aV3y2kHzT0YUHFIvBV1C05LQJo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342656467; bh=T9feodkHlfxr1/Lr6G2cyd44DLIz/RdTZ6T7H5KloRM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=jgsI+ZRsiGEg/YFleTGe9NsNecfdPCJXiDIWxQoJj2D95UOvp0zAjyNAH0WQ+cR53yK2mEp2oVSEkfif98wvjKc4eEnyLSp8qkbsBTiH8wIonvVmVVzdIEoCQrpTrrRuJPaR1gPYHWqCqjTDYhb+d2K8fTJkI8sZ/eO9JOxiTvE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VzDwM6QVM1m.wUR17kF9H8z_gI2PTomYRgI6G4y4DF8d6fx yYT6__G4E3kJ0XL_.B2Ulsf6itTMpFMxGDFXW.WbROrbrAEwvYjIAZilWpF6 VwCd5eC01Pullw6VaKzZvYSxCzG3wNoWZ6gWBJz6CYYb.jKTnAD5u4D0gRS_ mcWfYo1VhuRINP87f50uHUudhJcr.nXxsP6AGh4BeZwvpzlgjd562_KrjIzu Z9SP_owMvdB7reQiQqdB2Au7.uV8Cv0pyCjhLjH0O3epf7M5VB3BzuPeF6kc qUThBP25zxx.7eGkWTGVTNdcb6h4MZDBq14VZrT9w7m00Ect53.hVBfQc7Xn 55nI_g_LHy..sPoQ5BmuTfgUAn1QwflqoEa5AvDGRAnx7Ng6S_e72qAZiMr7 omEMg.Yo3vO.ZU8.btBTEQbxA2KM9d.FfxBPYAfVaSEt_.BCxHsfWDh1s28x 5Auqgh191R.ds3Zji0WGFYRdnN.e_.wJjwg_mEg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from [10.149.192.134] (wbeech@166.188.38.83 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 17:07:45 -0700 PDT References: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> <8EC92E79AE734626B3F6E8DFA82B9D4F@Shemp> In-Reply-To: <8EC92E79AE734626B3F6E8DFA82B9D4F@Shemp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <2A871377-8641-447B-BDAD-1B4E14CD7145@flash.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Wbeech Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:08:28 -0500 To: Cliff Hansen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Grew up in Virginia, 40 years now in Texas. "All y'all" is the plural for "Y'all" Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, "Cliff Hansen" wrote: > In the Virginia/North Carolina dialect in which I was once schooled, correct grammar would be "all y'all." Not sure that Texans make that distinction. Natives of my current city of residence don't understand either case. > > Cliff > Albuquerque, NM > > -----Original Message----- From: Fisher, Ed > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:34 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England > > John said, "There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can > muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England." That makes my > heart proud in Texas! Good luck over there John, hubbub of almost any variety > will wither on the vine if we can just tolerate the brief frenzies. Of > course, here in the states we generate at least one hubbub per day if not > hour, thinly veiled as news, but strangely, they have become some sort of a > perverted entertainment source it would seem. On a car note, my 1958 TR3A is > still waiting patiently for me to go in there and get started on it. Sigh. > Cars are far more patient than humans. > > Ed Fisher > Dallas, Tx > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 19:26:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D5D2D04F4 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:26:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB1A2D04BF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:23:08 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Wf6RGmT5xjbG1t2qiUzgbghwQjo9rz4il6CFkUmqGXa7KKLALSw+niK/mSCr0ki6; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.37.144.68] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SrfUV-0006W2-L6; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3CFFD3BAE36E45408540751A9AC12B6C@Shemp> From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Wbeech" , "list Triumph" References: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3E317586@DLEE01.ent.ti.com> <8EC92E79AE734626B3F6E8DFA82B9D4F@Shemp> <2A871377-8641-447B-BDAD-1B4E14CD7145@flash.net> In-Reply-To: <2A871377-8641-447B-BDAD-1B4E14CD7145@flash.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:25:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-ELNK-Trace: 528c356ac306a91c1da3787d14811d2a4d2b10475b571120945a0fa3f3db1e19e5538a835c73cfc2aa104c3de2d5a84b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.37.144.68 Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My point exactly. All y'all have a great evening now. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Wbeech Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:08 PM To: Cliff Hansen Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England Grew up in Virginia, 40 years now in Texas. "All y'all" is the plural for "Y'all" Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, "Cliff Hansen" wrote: > In the Virginia/North Carolina dialect in which I was once schooled, > correct grammar would be "all y'all." Not sure that Texans make that > distinction. Natives of my current city of residence don't understand > either case. > > Cliff > Albuquerque, NM > > -----Original Message----- From: Fisher, Ed > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:34 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Mr. Macartney said "y'all" from way over in England > > John said, "There's an urgent need for as many Triumph posts as y'all can > muster in the coming weeks for this corner of sleepy England." That makes > my > heart proud in Texas! Good luck over there John, hubbub of almost any > variety > will wither on the vine if we can just tolerate the brief frenzies. Of > course, here in the states we generate at least one hubbub per day if not > hour, thinly veiled as news, but strangely, they have become some sort of > a > perverted entertainment source it would seem. On a car note, my 1958 TR3A > is > still waiting patiently for me to go in there and get started on it. > Sigh. > Cars are far more patient than humans. > > Ed Fisher > Dallas, Tx > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 18 19:40:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAAF2D04DC for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:40:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3B22D04C3 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6J1b0A3032153; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:37:00 -0400 Received: from core-mhe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.130]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3E5DAE000085; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:37:00 -0400 (EDT) References: To: davewillner@pa.net, triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Andrew S. Mace" X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36673-STANDARD Received: from 67.158.180.107 by webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.227) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF33661FF0BBD5-1050-1DAF2@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [67.158.180.107] Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:37:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342661820; bh=fYKbi8VLRnbVcfDAmOyfkwmqSMGWmqZ4rPr2CvlKVRE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vfFsw/QNsyTpMHrHOEoBdyZ7I2GNuHPB/rjpdSdStj1MPR7sTRAIWzx//Zo4e9rM0 i9hOvkLShrdfCYqYpwWSiSMm2CNiqcrX+8BuLWIvnwbOyclsxrleJNPpc1A6iV5TCh BxDv4RLeqsuZBaDUwJf3c00d3LgLGBLoAeHLUC0M= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:452238976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 2 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca500764bc3a39 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Standard Triumph period or OEM lighter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you're referring to a car sold new in the US, chances are it would've been a Casco lighter such as used in many American cars at the time. That's what my '60 3A had when I bought it in 1972; it was nicely fitted into the dash about where the optional OD switch would've been otherwise. In retrospect, that seems an odd spot to put it, since the car also had the optional ashtray under the dash, but.... Sorry I don't have a picture, and the car was sold on a few years ago. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: davewillner I misplaced the photo I had of an original Standard Triumph lighter, does anyone have a picture than can send...one appropriate for a TR3. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 08:02:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B79B2D03B9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:02:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7D12D03AF for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so5554363pbb.14 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:13:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JltlgllGA8FoipS6AYuHBBV5c1oEz/u8Esrb40Xc5R8=; b=q+sQdkScZHL8FqENXcKKfN9vToDPvAF4YGin2RN7ozlNwUAziVr240ruD2NvU+zRuq w67noCJMuOq3r1ZGldz0q7M7tQ6MvIoUcAeAM3u7hgq2I6tR03t9PxSPAk1C+0kvFD79 IFQ29N7HcW0ehP3+m/eTc/LGluXfHqQwVgPHmKGnAlR+ptBdu0ic1z7N9GPAbwuevPWO q0vOVmJmXzSyeZYIVeptmslkxFRBH4Dk7qNghd6duf37s9E84wrP9Xc+UBKLYwFi+c/X /KJxzRJ4giJ2hCcqJ6OK4rBJ1xd+u/+jNgUfiK72u7dwCLz+sGaY0y5zJiW38Xp+3EYL x1dw== Received: by 10.68.232.229 with SMTP id tr5mr5185157pbc.101.1342703595605; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-45-78.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.45.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id to1sm1783369pbc.27.2012.07.19.06.13.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <500807E5.5000101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:13:09 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <61D82CD10B1B43E7BC62008925115543@ranteer.local> In-Reply-To: <61D82CD10B1B43E7BC62008925115543@ranteer.local> Subject: Re: [TR] webers on a tr3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/18/12 11:56 AM, Dave wrote: > has anyone done this successfully? Done what successfully? If you are asking if anyone has a TR3 with Weber DCOEs the answer is yes. On the other hand the stock SUs work really good on the TR engines. www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm TeriAnn > > I ask this because I have a beautiful set of fully restored webers that were > going on another car, and I wondered if they would not be better on the 3, > which already has a mild cam in it. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tjwakeman@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 08:26:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACC72D04C7 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:26:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B22062D03B4 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 259917.67258.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91193 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=u0V5rYNbD+hukRS1JZRjOUdxJdksIA0wRuUlbFnfGMCLEplRX1Qfv8VLiDs6gtGtQ5K4MZb8K66H0Hykjvc6i5Td6M7jHDZ3N0tsF2jMcCg+3Nb94erkDB4yDXiFbzTcAGN8k2qVTIqq6MJAwC4+Hu87BDQpUhJo9Ot4PHIqdmo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342707108; bh=h9J+ttlWnBjSQt6g4yxbMOJvgtTI8xMQ9/SbA/wI5m4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=DF3PwcbUS1hBJlcpCVkS7N56ZcjuUhLif5UAu6aArtR9A0LfvPTI8OeyizYhJqYrqeb9pPPoK9Xv8faOAz2E4seSX6O3IenmWEUYwQ3zdvFzLOqpRdc+/e6g/PGjEbvgeX1PBaSaEjgnY85DohzD8hJjZd7dJ4sxVbF7zkh+2EY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Eo8VsIEVM1nrkiIeYlV.LR4F8CAm7H4l6Fe3yiVYoG1Mdmf bvbg_Os33YgyOvTQOSl1OeJO6PcIh7_YBttb6tN1Ei1Y1JoaXy.pICfgpLF_ 1gU3h_xrqeG73sROuwUxywzm3c3trIlCZ1ElDSg_o3UX7e62U29Lx75yPz0F HAOZK.etmsparnQpnSsDvVdMjZHGuadNEpKJx1w105f58ZQEf__YP1ZvMiUy Mmac4zmLOz_TtQ_PBpp9J1FTYfzu_WCUEGhYvqnK.13VqAExv5aO.vnluSGl FTxrf.150k4PJY6.Kq6X2q0DjHlCIUAQZrgwlAv1pK8eblVICQP9pRHhITVM mVzvMJtAI76epkoPzFutAzNgl1QMGdZlipdkfNmbeh5VXI5k6CHDUN1P.RIV Mkz9wliCopt5cGVH7w42MiZblxItTWlkZhjGKEypFTHALSA4QmDhdtDCuksb fZHL7oSQR9XSUXkL7vuZIBd9I6W59jsfziZ765Cum2ZEbazBRC1Rs.Uw4ebD CHDe2zC14niWGuOSgHdgkZtGFdwBdZq1B.cLgOQ4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 07:11:47 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <61D82CD10B1B43E7BC62008925115543@ranteer.local> <500807E5.5000101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:11:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <500807E5.5000101@gmail.com> thread-index: Ac1lt5XIHc7qDZLsQ3Cbd+n+KhCxHgAAKTcg Subject: Re: [TR] webers on a tr3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A pretty exhaustive study indeed, thanks for sharing. BTW, what does DCOE stand for? (yes, I am an SU guy) Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:13 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] webers on a tr3 On 7/18/12 11:56 AM, Dave wrote: > has anyone done this successfully? Done what successfully? If you are asking if anyone has a TR3 with Weber DCOEs the answer is yes. On the other hand the stock SUs work really good on the TR engines. www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm TeriAnn > > I ask this because I have a beautiful set of fully restored webers > that were going on another car, and I wondered if they would not be > better on the 3, which already has a mild cam in it. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tjwakeman@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 13:00:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99552D03E3 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206E22D073C for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6EA2E022 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <500856EF.6050108@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:50:23 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <61D82CD10B1B43E7BC62008925115543@ranteer.local> <500807E5.5000101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TR] webers on a tr3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wbeech wrote: > A pretty exhaustive study indeed, thanks for sharing. > > BTW, what does DCOE stand for? (yes, I am an SU guy) > > It is actually in Italian, oddly enough, but a basic translation is dual choke 'orizontal mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 13:13:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BFD2D0373 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:13:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66762D03B2 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:22 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMJAHlZCFC4CBuI/2dsb2JhbABFhDC1E4MpP4F9iCCrAZNfkXxgA4hNklCNLw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,617,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="274015112" X-Originating-IP: [184.8.27.136] Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2012 19:02:19 +0000 X-Previous-IP: 184.8.27.136 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (184-8-27-136.dr1.ssvl.ca.frontiernet.net [184.8.27.136]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 526AD17CDE for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:02:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Tim Purdy Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:02:18 -0700 Message-Id: <83610FAF-A016-43C5-BA34-78408CDD0540@citlink.net> To: TR List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TR] TR4 bonnet & hinges X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am moving forward to repairing the Triumph TR4 1964. I inquired awhile that I am looking for a new bonnet and hinges. Just thought I would inquire again, if anyone knows where I might find one. I recall someone mentioned I think it was Donato Motors might have one. Your guidance, and assistance, is truly appreciated as usual. Tim Purdy ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 13:14:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17F52D04C9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:14:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEC22D03D6 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so3894785ggm.14 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T1cfb7wll6cWztcciuuS/eqwjNIbSUS35LFe+tw8fC0=; b=yn/yTE0OPrbSgJ/dvDOwQvVdx8pA5OaQVWpaoKJ80LNQMBYASrQ4H3el80bp46MwyN HG2vpmYQjhQYjho45kMLcLn3RDt3L0R9Q8vn/KhfHrhrfU8lVZ7aKIB+J9F7AT6XPvnP v6ObNzYTCUDW0PTJGnFb00PxW+ZpJ2UXHgp60CXdatCbWhF9XiBwMKlue4tjVZQHwH6m oLQy7niv20Soe7J2JmhQlqDpVGdDz91VDKuDKwjuV66YGBNSVXJ68Q3syTgmJ5pQyBT3 7Mcg7Yv7R5188c43958hlNlAZ+vFLxTDab5L8IB2eOqRKb/ehfV2ZTDsYOiP9wyKzFn0 HK+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.42.130 with SMTP id o2mr2531678igl.37.1342724576385; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.84.36 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5006C39E.1020602@gmail.com> References: <5005EC7B.8050902@gmail.com> <5006BC97.2090104@gmail.com> <5006C39E.1020602@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:02:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lee&John Howard" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Webers on my TR4 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, friends - it was the condenser! Thank you TeriAnn. Well at least I know now the pump is good, and the Webers good and clean. And reacquainted myself with the jets etc. Thanks for everyone's help. John On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:09 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 7/18/12 6:50 AM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > > Now there's a horrible thought! I'll take a look; guess I can roughly test > by simply grasping the carbs and wiggling them about. > > > A rough test would usually be spraying something non flammable on the seal > area to see if the idle settles down while the liquid is blocking any gap. > The soft mounts are supposed to allow slight movement of the carbs. > > How old are your soft mounts? The rubber seals can crack over time and > repeated heatings. > > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:39 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Any chance that your pulling on fuel lines might have broken the soft >> mount seal on the carb to intake manifold connection and you are getting an >> air leak at the base of the carbs? >> >> armchair diagnosis is a matter of WAGs. >> >> >> >> On 7/17/12 4:55 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: >> >>> Good ideas. >>> I never added the fuel pressure gauge because, well, it was working fine >>> without it! >>> >> . >> As long as everything works a inline fuel pressure gauge is pretty >> useless. But the second you have a problem with the engine running it can >> tell you that your fuel system down stream of the carb is working OK, has a >> problem or maybe you should walk to the nearest gas station with an empty >> container. A fuel gauge can be a big diagnosis time saver. >> >> TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 15:10:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1A62D04AB for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:10:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DE452D0405 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11129 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2012 21:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.232.102) by p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.82) with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2012 21:11:01 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Dave" To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was really good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of the car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue. I did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and overdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks went by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the driveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included. Lots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to paypal, since that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend to return my money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the fee paypal charges. The transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the input shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows these, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I complained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the transmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I complained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial money, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I did. Then I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if there is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy welched, and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for shipping. And a few bucks for the paypal mishap. The ebay item is: 330744461508 The guys addresses are: address on invoice is: DB Business Holdings 372 E Third Street Corning, N.Y. 14830 address on crate is: Jason Doughty 2475 Brown Hollow Road Corning, N.Y. 14830 607-346-3605 And the guys email address is dbbizholdings@gmail.com His ebay id is db_vintageas If you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a shipping/warehouse company. I now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 15:46:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D80F2D046E for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:46:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF8F2D039F; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so4182085yhr.14 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=x9K9gsZjoBLmgjJvMqbgws23elLPjWzipRR9gOf6dCk=; b=MFQojYOHbJtYxFHc5lZ6hIr30GK/M7dnF1jt6Q8VBcCXbUeK8Al8mPtdU2PmUcgZ3Z LHs7MOqa1FywvPBy3AfjcBQbWipPnzWbUGCzK29725qbTscaQphcVYWP4PyFXHby94E9 xUDRnt8CncitEy/8ZVNVbEXJQxfP3z1OqvRsS7ZqPHxSkOStlevqfY8ie3e4vzsAuw9m bVtghjpVqxUrSKi92KaR6fZzT0VCbZw4YPCtvM/w7GwTjKULXIPV+SZyqefqPfzy5OhN B0cyhbys/iEENgeYFJhzwX8G9HZSeTGan0vBjZZL6aCWkFT/4gS18nVnY25jacUrJ9fB eCDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.18.8 with SMTP id v8mr2201307ica.34.1342734520429; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Dave X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That stinks -- you should certainly keep after ebay as the guy obviously got the thing back as he has relisted it. Looks like he changed the description a bit though, it now says: *This Sale is for a transmission from a 1973 Triumph Spitfire It was brought in with a claimed less than 500 mile on rebuild. It will need to be cleaned up and shaft has slight play to it (about 1/16" movement).* ** Good luck. Geo On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price > was > really good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture > of > the car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 17:45:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D9E2D048C for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:45:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C27792D04E9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 23:47:34 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 23:47:34 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 23:47:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2012 23:47:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 634529.91516.bm@omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17932 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2012 23:47:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=ZXDQwpnPzlnJnsT/GhSxptuY3hd1P2tZL6mCXi+j4OnbJhLWFJAmNT5wUHhRhZERdsg3E2wx+wWXo4v9K5WodI/+0SZhoPV9pfEamOyRKnla7Fl57tbx6rDkJfwuF1L5BEZFMBwD1A7e4BXZdeMACJY3UG0XZAoJK0T9h8yCyrs= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342741654; bh=EVLtP5cuvPBVK40kDQYc4XBXOWbt4HoZy8b1l1JIF9k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=TM5gHqXC26CrXpbhLxtL5fOIgq1LfT1x0AvSKw3cg2f6frCzYKp0GMKirv8TLlJigh+JGQ6O3kuwx2BjmRdFjNvHcyt64hyyIX94ng4cWydsmf35jczNUkLgdOjy0bKPg/bJl6ToYSjLAcw8syZAsRIqGSAMWFBv9VM6n+wxKi4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3KhENO8VM1kI5D4HHGBRCFGGxQNno55ETq6sZgSSiFnVd3g C5paTWqz7_G9ea2T0GqPMclVxXcZ6pliMLEQMUg20NbNj0s3vodhQrjTaGzO NNzBLIAPqQxnQrzkRfJvuc5oTg.cQ.oOdd64uf8cXXVMAFq66x73HNOdEKoP cDC_oWpIUzTgXAJ3.DI7rwsVQGSk1Ama5HddVDvUyrhTx6g7QI04F7YNRZl. 1b2c4aVaG86A1rDg4RFzGZOlvcSXv5Mmg1Ytnwk8Dsi_FrBOgOWRaDYWG23. qXcHp8XDiQR6ZYNQADq_vuD_tV3Qre_WlF45XmJVWl1ae2KZK5Mnf3Tvqips tPEYfgyp.ps5ZU4.IzK4oMp2DWC5rUxV5XAMAd7j4KH7o1N0KP6PIr0uxITs hNEKIE1iW16ki84gNsqODdCiwwZwcwlU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 16:47:34 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Geo Hahn'" , "'Dave'" References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Ac1l+FZuBFJU50/PSJyVk2Gvu3EmrgADl0Fg Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I had one experience with eBay and rip-off refund, they really make you jump through the hoops. I would keep badgering eBay/Paypal about your refund. You can always cite the fact that he now has it re-listed as proof of delivery. I WILL keep his name on file for the future. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:49 PM To: Dave Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sad story That stinks -- you should certainly keep after ebay as the guy obviously got the thing back as he has relisted it. Looks like he changed the description a bit though, it now says: *This Sale is for a transmission from a 1973 Triumph Spitfire It was brought in with a claimed less than 500 mile on rebuild. It will need to be cleaned up and shaft has slight play to it (about 1/16" movement).* ** Good luck. Geo On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The > price was really good b that should have been my first clue. He > showed a picture of the car, not the tranny. Should have been my > second clue.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 19:19:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E362D04E9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:19:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E3B2D0360; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhm6 with SMTP id hm6so5114743wib.2 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:16:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=PqPJLOqaoEIWbQNVwxhBcPMQ7n7q9B41JzFdn3u3R5g=; b=HCPedW3n3IKcdXrLQ32x2mtSOYzUNflrmgLrcFpa7eiJiIJmCy1jrfm79pYCJBDmNb +BghBPEa3YOv4ddzjCIRiTg06X7F07mXatftRVdo0SjRH32Y3bEwP5tBcwhL6CcSp1LI 7csqEAr+bCudbDtXFQKHAwl5Cn2hc+JgouFIKCSmY+07+KXFg4djLj4UH4Zpa45i/ShQ S5PkRcRfjqXwpQMqUhil41FSRX1FOMOuARCLPcJSGXFHIqAn5DdKnvzv++p3t5OzsyoL fZNjcpW1mkaFSrTCF63GF5PlVRn0PfJckAgK9M1VROX4Ug6K5TMSA82WywSdn3mQJ52k 3c+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.109.166 with SMTP id ht6mr9128433wib.11.1342747007033; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:16:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: Wbeech X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well.... we could see if enough folks on the list can complain to ebay to make a difference. I'm in! On Jul 19, 2012 7:48 PM, "Wbeech" wrote: > Dave, > I had one experience with eBay and rip-off refund, they really make you > jump > through the hoops. I would keep badgering eBay/Paypal about your refund. > You can always cite the fact that he now has it re-listed as proof of > delivery. > > I WILL keep his name on file for the future. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:49 PM > To: Dave > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] sad story > > That stinks -- you should certainly keep after ebay as the guy obviously > got > the thing back as he has relisted it. Looks like he changed the > description > a bit though, it now says: > > *This Sale is for a transmission from a 1973 Triumph Spitfire It was > brought > in with a claimed less than 500 mile on rebuild. It will need to be cleaned > up and shaft has slight play to it (about 1/16" movement).* > ** > Good luck. > > Geo > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave wrote: > > > A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The > > price was really good b that should have been my first clue. He > > showed a picture of the car, not the tranny. Should have been my > > second clue.... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 19:50:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE962D04E0 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:50:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p01mm-asmtpout005.mac.com (st11p01mm-asmtpout005.mac.com [17.172.204.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D192D0360 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:44:55 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [10.1.10.11] (c-67-172-230-246.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [67.172.230.246]) by st11p01mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M7F00DOMRMRZN60@st11p01mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:47:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-07-19_07:2012-07-19,2012-07-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=9 spamscore=9 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1207190340 From: Robert Hendricks Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:47:13 -0600 Message-id: To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Subject: [TR] Spitfire queston X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just completing a restoration of a 72 Spitfire. Purchased new grommet's for the spedo and tach. How do you get them over the large ends of the cables without tearing them.? Bob Hendricks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 19:51:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33442D04E0 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:51:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AE042D035A for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm16.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:54:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.162] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:54:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:54:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 468628.89011.bm@omp1045.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83092 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2012 01:54:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342749240; bh=pFekkDUfBMBzPqbbWjXlrqUPtEBfZy5fvuXvxB3j3eI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UHB3SPbsvbDmNylUvGSToVvc+KbY3/K58n04P6/XgALhygp6Xoy1QHjaVGj1m6fhSXP5gbKatOtX4DQeZy//VQmzmdrTIliWq4OKjpBisir7ns7iqv59kbYuYrdJmJCOEqDLkNLHxVvgYh1MFU/dqmMv8aBqndZ9qLOySm2LsQQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j8FIob9+EutFNNH0kjJ6OuNzCYqnS3u/CvulJVqkM/yopELvgKhOT6BedW2h9XCJXxEpH0tEwqTZsBpUBeGIioC55RTFVPcV6sXdYYXN5utZPyVvff8/H9c0xvqUhZ79+4DAdwVjlbBbYWQ6JkdOG0fltN8qPgOqxcnyRNxGXiU=; X-YMail-OSG: 6XnkHBwVM1nASHB8A4lK9I9DyyAcX51gQAP_9F_K6CuiFZ5 6dBT6N2wWka.fuurzqPdOORW5_FDwZSPtVI.dNhb.sgCP6PcR7YQPrl.1hz3 lFNWpVJ6KyJD8FEdDpxs1q.m7h5e6gIkzXWHEwPom.5Pg8VATmtAA0CfxZYd Wu1xIPmXHTvknxuCT3.S9U5NgG.6EKqkNIsdvXd.HKrzsWV.vGrJ7w8Ans8M mIpES10jHEqC.UlcZxYneyj5YHDap3FxoeiW.4JxT8NBSUO2JaZKjCYJ729g rCbVdqbuVtnCDRfedFdL3Kg2GNX3_WvrNnFV2UqllJuVyhL69unPBEwel7Yy Cvfsuvi4mlnwm14GVLxgm6dARepi.4lXhuS5OVm.69kMSZrOTd7gtrWfjG7F OY3.RKjnHLjqW_dg- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:54:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342749240.81487.YahooMailNeo@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] fitting top X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Initially fitting top on my tr-3 and I have some concerns maybe someone who's recently done it can help me with. It seems the bars on the top frame aren't really lining up with the seams on the top; if I stretch the frame out to its full length. Starting from the rear the first bar fits on its seam an inch or so above the rear window. However the next forward bar lands about 4 inches in front of the seam, if I'm looking at things correctly. If I pull this bar back to fit it's seam then the front of the frame sticks up at a strange angle. I should clarify that the seams I'm talking about don't run completely across the top but just up the side edge of the top. I'm wondering if things will come out ok once I install snaps and stretch it over the frame. Everything so far is just loose fitting to see how it looks. It might be helpful if someone would be willing to measure the distance between bars front to back on they're car. Just wondering if others have had similar experiences and how did they come out? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 19:56:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728702D055A for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:56:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm30.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 278882D035E for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm30.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:59:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 01:59:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 968341.41075.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 62373 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2012 01:59:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=HsJO5tUn70Gu8dJ0hmPmzvKdb3VJ81DdcjRtVcbdpkzeh3BV1O3opIvAxYea2JC3MWrcv8oJuEevQgnb9zX8JCrfoSOExG1GHVdE/bHO/Fy0czvFBAwbZe6pWqngZ6xwE4g+hig04KTy7wF3HK5kn/oe8iZuIcBMawciUW3Fwy8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342749545; bh=pCpDrXqiuhEEnn+ZeEUgjglE2wVaaXlw1TYWrq8xtvU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=ilahVTo+QvlZn/PmVRQlnaxrxgcUwS6KAPixdUzaydFpk8QAH/kroZipI8/tkwhcsgL+QmqrEjAYVHUwNWIVaPo09DFjPa0dQ+7FJNmkxQKqIFCWha/d7AnWdkBbZHpRCJIDGl2W3Q1ycm55kxfopnOZBp1U9bnD39L+QDW8TjE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7kMrxMEVM1kA0GjrSS2rzfYlfwFqadRmxXP3LUQwPp3Zuuo XoXqVEfVgdwNCCfGv8qdpcrLgzzVr8HwmPry2PS81cQOttM4YDFvd0wkyXYm s15otkiZUMjPR6xo3SaDJ8o04Ys4h7j0TEmiGbe0u.teCF44_3DW4cT4_NLm Xo1REylJo27xjvGYp3k0HvnuSeFWO7w0HEHNHSdQs.4VApOVurTXRwK1jeb. B19pPm8a.QwaefbtZeUZh41Xov_6qh5aRKwa2GTjCYE8yG0vRfZNkTtXcc8T iddIm0q1q8OrKZt2u4hRLrlAcpt3L1XuAEdPYiGi0d6bI7aESTX3wZ_Zz_g8 iMnKRoGiHxD05lwCkU9M4KBX1wUrDNl6prXqRpUrlwmTnpIkEIX0wfT_nMBn vzPTLgepXGgxL2Duwh_fNznPR08nkJ2OJjQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 18:59:05 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Chris Simo'" References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:59:04 -0500 Message-ID: <0F6531BE720C4BFA8A65F5CA90DCE34E@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Ac1mFVYwVmcmBbcmQLmNqx/HE2cPAQABaLIw X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm very in, anyone have a good contact phone or email address? Bill _____ From: Chris Simo [mailto:ccsimonsen@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:17 PM To: Wbeech Cc: Dave; mgs@autox.team.net; triumphs@autox.team.net; Geo Hahn Subject: Re: [TR] sad story Well.... we could see if enough folks on the list can complain to ebay to make a difference. I'm in! On Jul 19, 2012 7:48 PM, "Wbeech" wrote: Dave, I had one experience with eBay and rip-off refund, they really make you jump through the hoops. I would keep badgering eBay/Paypal about your refund. You can always cite the fact that he now has it re-listed as proof of delivery. I WILL keep his name on file for the future. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:49 PM To: Dave Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sad story That stinks -- you should certainly keep after ebay as the guy obviously got the thing back as he has relisted it. Looks like he changed the description a bit though, it now says: *This Sale is for a transmission from a 1973 Triumph Spitfire It was brought in with a claimed less than 500 mile on rebuild. It will need to be cleaned up and shaft has slight play to it (about 1/16" movement).* ** Good luck. Geo On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The > price was really good b that should have been my first clue. He > showed a picture of the car, not the tranny. Should have been my > second clue.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 20:13:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C892D03AA for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:13:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F082D0332 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so4325139ggm.14 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3mR6oJAc81dEIKgb1FTJRtJeCm7NaabXqCcEOfxYsq0=; b=TMQyKwLfrCadXPpe9ebi4ssZPGi2B2VOz9s5aBCzIpB+rOFwPGUURl9khiGWIG6GOS 4zDou34JXxGzPmtrkLuRaRDxEgwMF0aRrow4/HlXARBPAvCJsBhRToTwSwFNWpRzSDUp MnH7KZxKA60dcyNIieL/FU2SfgoTY59zd8Mqax/iBTYo6wMa/QlQNrP6p+cAtxLLbg7p 8Je3F8J/98U6wqvKTr5MSknZQlMdQk3bmyivWBvrb63l7yni/X50zT/oHvb3uklM5nXf mJ6lDpVL0cOmpxjLaDLH9Ftkjt8aQH4IVJpMe87hWbY/VHKyZhh9Pu+x70pVvCdDEBJE DbEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.181.225 with SMTP id dz1mr424019igc.27.1342750570650; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1342749240.81487.YahooMailNeo@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1342749240.81487.YahooMailNeo@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:16:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Gary Nafziger X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] fitting top X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > It might be > helpful if someone would be willing to measure the distance between bars > front > to back on they're car. > You might compare your spacing with the measurements that came with the instructions for installing my top some years ago: http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/top-webbing.GIF But I wouldn't take those measurements as gospel -- as I recall I used them as a starting point but made adjustments. One challenge here is that front bow may pull down and move forward a bit as the top is tightened, changing its position quite a bit from its 'relaxed' setting. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 20:22:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B932D0496 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:22:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAE22D0335 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so3175474vbk.14 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ML6kigBEwESR77wsq9hMtarWAzqf3fB1uMWewIBNuOg=; b=NQgD6iOdqgVDFj+tldCjcMmcraFVlGQkWQ6zmGRGXXCUq35xQ/r7fe19ZhlYFrXaT2 QrfLj8vzdbIecdhSg9EA9qOOB+BUONoh8YwoDi+P/sWGmuxc8p+7Qbdnw7+TCltLEbhw ZrFXoGSbQd67XmjBKh/x6y84fm097f1dedTHSYmETHeL3W6m89lABtMD4ndsy9Bcrvqw r82MoAJZxGuLtTPMlahzNKPJ4hi98hSlbZxtgd9oTdvPbDE52XAAZbDWRolmbuWJvfgh CCSbFbcg2x0nVHaUic5Ph2tGoWTcuqcIT8z3FqEZcnIiBXllSQFr+S9jjU7YMRb/vM61 dzBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.26.240 with SMTP id o16mr2573576vdg.20.1342750758612; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.220.164 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Trans shifting issues - links to gear pics - how bad is too bad? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greeting all The trans in my Spit bodied GT6 has some issues. I have to pause (about 1 sec) on a first to second gear upshift. Downshifting from third to second and second to first are also difficult. THe 2nd to 1st downshift needed to take place when the car was slowed down to less than 10 mph. Gear clash ensued if I shifted too fast. Since I have the trans out to replace a slipping clutch, I figured to have another look at it (I had the trans apart 20,000 miles ago - in Spring of '04). In the past 8 years, I aquired a NOS 1st gear and 1-2 shift hub asm. Second gear was the elusive NLA part but looking at Rimmers web catalog today, they now have them in stock. Also when I refreshed the trans in '04, I did not replace the synchros - I measured the gap between the original synchros and the mating gears - all were well above 0.030 gap so I reused them. Since there had been the bad batch of synchros sometime in the '90s, I was concerned that all of the marginal parts were not used up. Now I am going to use the synchros that I bought in '04. I was thinking that the engagement teeth on the synchros and the matching engagement teeth on the shift hub and the 1st and 2nd gears were the cause of the shifting problem. I was expecting to see more wear when comparing old parts to new. Synchro on first gear: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/1stgearsynchro.jpg Synchro on 2nd gear: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/2ndgearsynchro.jpg First gear, worn gear is on the right: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/firstgearnewold.jpg http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/firstgear2.jpg Shift hub, both sides appear to have very similar wear, worn hub is on the left: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/1-2shifthub.jpg http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/1-2shifthub-1.jpg And finally 2nd gear: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/secondgear.jpg http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/secondgear2.jpg So for those of you who have trans rebuild experience - does the wear on the matching engagement teeth look like it would be enough to cause shifting difficulties? BTW, I did all the bushing / spacer feeler checks last time and will be doing them once again. And a final note - yes I could learn to double clutch but I'm a lazy shifter (even though all 5 of the vehicles in our family fleet are manuals). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 20:43:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3370D2D02A4 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:43:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BBE82D038B for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22460 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2012 02:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.232.102) by smtpauth12.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.35) with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2012 02:45:52 -0000 Message-ID: <37E77316251142E4A3CB51FBA75383C5@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: , References: <0F6531BE720C4BFA8A65F5CA90DCE34E@bboffice> In-Reply-To: <0F6531BE720C4BFA8A65F5CA90DCE34E@bboffice> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:46:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net address on invoice is: DB Business Holdings 372 E Third Street Corning, N.Y. 14830 address on crate is: Jason Doughty 2475 Brown Hollow Road Corning, N.Y. 14830 607-346-3605 And the guys email address is dbbizholdings@gmail.com From: Wbeech Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:59 PM To: 'Chris Simo' Cc: 'Dave' ; mgs@autox.team.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net ; 'Geo Hahn' Subject: RE: [TR] sad story I'm very in, anyone have a good contact phone or email address? Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 21:09:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866892D03B1 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:09:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC0532D039F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 03:07:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 03:07:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 03:07:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 196781.36573.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 89090 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2012 03:07:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342753672; bh=qDGK8HCGepTu+w0eyAXhtsndMYnMd5TIr9obXxD1KC0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kVED5qzRMDTxROQAxG5W8GlpCfYdLXG7nK85hlnrFAlcyM52VxkWZfICQmQ1vCDmedK8lCsvxzuijYbSuGQPHou43z+zsttN0mY5FLZ4XvV3pa8z4ijGoe84ePyoa+lw0CFyj7OI4hlrwvg/84GYlpVfOImVV9uSVyFWDk4X4RM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s0Nb6gIE6C1iHSd7aTYtNUnEwdBBWVleH6pzmm3n8KSVPRxhN7zCB5UdpprOZGZcfC58FaaWP2/icBfeobZhaAvjfQX3y/e8H3lm0j2tq0jb6XahYVHerX6ERVAm9NeshthOmqrqMbrAJ4Xei8CTljYSMmK5VcecRmZa5D0xjAM=; X-YMail-OSG: RLsUyx8VM1nT.rGyYbHvJ_jHgO81pKL58vG0VfBt1CTXqIu wJ0nRCs4IQAjt7WK__lt8QEI7Ky0QzAYDdj59gpiO8S8vtMrYXr_1L3CeRxz CCwgMxyP9runNiW22GkeXHr_sbhNO_VnyM7pw_ClrSKklgKg93m4MGh5XIXZ T0TMbsyXQ11WoUBnir3utVQoFdzLiqWCScyy9XkZlF0JcrNNg0IEu4ImEguD ezAACoeyqs0RtPCcmqN4ojrLrai8ZkBXSoxhIX67bD7OTvi495oUoLCiY7xD hhytoZM_na5e.G8hAXQ0aKkOiqpITmV8ivVxycNdzEHYC8gpUFT1CvLnc52d JymrgFEwDm2rvHEfP.xe3AA9zNcSj6O1oOhr6KtayTUG8BigI1PBKr2pv0xQ zFnGIQcoUTXt.5wbGL21K6_6LnD4gd8Nu5wx35Av_SaiKj_uvvGdgeL_JkUo mRNrxGJeAG8lqKqSTwSxN4kfqCpqggqs- Received: from [72.192.119.180] by web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:07:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342753671.88982.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: Dave , Triumph 6 Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had very bad luck with Evilbay and its supposed protection services. They are great until you file a claim, then they vanish. I have written off their services. Chad ________________________________ From: Dave To: Triumph 6 Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: [TR] sad story A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The price was really good b that should have been my first clue. He showed a picture of the car, not the tranny. Should have been my second clue. I did a buy it now, and then asked him if I could have the driveshaft and overdrive switch as well, to which he agreed, for an additional $65. Weeks went by, and finally the tranny (only the tranny) arrived. he claimed the driveshaft was the short shaft, part of the tranny, and that it was included. Lots of email back and forth, and ultimately a complaint on my part to paypal, since that was outside of the ebay sale. To which he finally agreend to return my money, only he sent me the money, not as a refund, so I lost the fee paypal charges. The transmission, which was advertised as rebuit 500 miles ago, was not. the input shaft was wobbly, and my British car mechanic, who certainly knows these, said there was no way it had been rebuilt in the last 500 miles. So I complained to him, and he offered to return my money if I sent back the transmission. I felt he had totally lied to me, and I didnbt trust him, so I complained to ebay. They opened a case, and agreed to refund only my initial money, if I returned the transmission with a confirmation of delivery. So I did. Then I discovered that ebay considers confirmation of delivery valid ONLY if there is a signature. Which we didnbt have. So ebay welched, this guy welched, and Ibm out $550 for the initial deal and another $150 for shipping. And a few bucks for the paypal mishap. The ebay item is: 330744461508 The guys addresses are: address on invoice is: DB Business Holdings 372 E Third Street Corning, N.Y. 14830 address on crate is: Jason Doughty 2475 Brown Hollow Road Corning, N.Y. 14830 607-346-3605 And the guys email address is dbbizholdings@gmail.com His ebay id is db_vintageas If you google DB Business Holdings you will see it is more of a shipping/warehouse company. I now see he has relisted it and will rip off someone else. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!!!! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 21:10:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D3F2D03A8 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:10:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4C32D036D; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ALFA ([76.249.232.102]) by p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id cTAf1j0042DDFck01TAgFV; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:10:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1FF184B501DC4941A1533E09127C60A5@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: , References: <0F6531BE720C4BFA8A65F5CA90DCE34E@bboffice> In-Reply-To: <0F6531BE720C4BFA8A65F5CA90DCE34E@bboffice> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:11:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net sorry. misread. ebay phone # is 866-877-3229. they will ask for a code; just ignore that. when I called, I had a code. you have to go through a lot of steps to get that code. I think you can call without one but I have not done that so I cannot say for sure. From: Wbeech Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:59 PM To: 'Chris Simo' Cc: 'Dave' ; mgs@autox.team.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net ; 'Geo Hahn' Subject: RE: [TR] sad story I'm very in, anyone have a good contact phone or email address? Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 22:15:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4682D03B4 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:15:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D8D2D038A for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:15:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=oZS1oTH3z-cA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9sKmPwHzIpuK-QzcensA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7E/AA-13948-9DBD8005; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:17:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'aribert neumann'" , References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <02cc01cd662e$944d8710$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1mHursOXT+zc7sT26s/FMiBN9xSAADloHw Subject: Re: [TR] Trans shifting issues - links to gear pics - how bad is too bad? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So for those of you who have trans rebuild experience - does > the wear on > the matching engagement teeth look like it would be enough to cause > shifting difficulties? My experience with gearbox rebuilds is (very) limited to the TR3/TR6 units; but those parts look OK to me. Given that you are having problems, I might roughen up the cone surface just a bit (break the glaze). > BTW, I did all the bushing / spacer feeler checks last time > and will be > doing them once again. You didn't mention checking the detent force in the shift hub. Very important (it is what applies force to the synchro rings during the shift) and almost always too low. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 19 22:17:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFB72D03B1 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:17:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531AB2D03A9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:17:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DqhPko6z_RJhwXLrovQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 97/38-29356-26CD8005; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:19:47 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Robert Hendricks'" , References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:19:46 -0700 Message-ID: <02cd01cd662e$e5cd7af0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1mGnMb7FxlByifTmaPDJa8UX6KQAAFD46g Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire queston X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Just completing a restoration of a 72 Spitfire. Purchased > new grommet's for the spedo and tach. How do you get them > over the large ends of the cables without tearing them.? Why not pull them over the small end? On my TR3, I find that, with a generous coating of silicone spray, they will usually pull over the small end without damage. I don't think there is any way they would go over the big end. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 07:12:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B052D036C for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:12:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F02D033B for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so7696726pbb.14 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:05:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rv4T3DTrrjveBYgWZ+KlOFWMJQZqXKWgV0pX5mkjf5s=; b=Vo04WXwlQT6ZXupFgjlQydpIAQcCTx71emjeN3XyuM5xLqZYCA/RmsVueJA5Vcf2BQ c0sZD7ZVHDk7LN4EqMRnGYnVWw5bQ2fi+c9TLbiXx+neTceS7CW43QRIQwUV9vReOL7s bp9DbLoRvkNj52v60JMP/xCVMR+uRQ9+FacOkKbimkEkk6EJypufHbHMPdXnB5HaOWHL hDh7/RLfpeiQgH+hiovdfxgG3O2K0pLZi3HFUOgN+AWbHwcb8RXzLjyxwnRIPLDkWLGd Qrn/x5+9xP8vuut+ZUI6aSm8SBBOdWHlqNmNQyqLkm5EiXNPKUFVQDR/0EUs7s8cVxkE u1VA== Received: by 10.68.221.70 with SMTP id qc6mr13861995pbc.92.1342789510344; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-45-78.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.45.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hz10sm3949511pbc.32.2012.07.20.06.05.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50095782.6050903@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:05:06 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1342749240.81487.YahooMailNeo@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342749240.81487.YahooMailNeo@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] fitting top X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/19/12 6:54 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > It seems the bars on the top frame aren't > really lining up with the seams on the top; The very first thing to do in that case is to verify that your hood sticks are in the right location when they are erected. www.tr3a.info/sticks.htm TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 08:25:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847022D04FC for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:25:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C71222D033A for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 13:37:45 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.114] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 13:37:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 13:37:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 981195.5506.bm@omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36961 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2012 13:37:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1342791464; bh=BTQUBJ9ui4on57AM/Mi3O1w15wpnOSmikSbyufl4f9E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VqwjID9u9BXB+kfaGTxyaWA2xcpWFzOf2NPMpgDbsG41pkzKT3zlenY0B9V9QO4MuMRjyGxX/mZpkcKx4U2yn8WRyFhC4m26upCqVf4qNyXfO52Fm/AEu1xKJ3WvM9CpR0po5dX+1r/D2epMyMVSS1SuLnnoPCY0YUgUBTiFKCY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GrcLcavT7icyXKlcqePMmQtagf1ONTS3B5aVULcjJA9XBsCybqSqmWq6vIJ6BZ8Rub/EQovLCIIaV+20uIWl/Q3TMBBL4ZKdC9oPDgNQtLNjHO6c37SMJJGwbECL2ysuPdrsKGLx7UwI7wNZMoZ1Od1GddY2QZ9m3DsZU8GD0Ho=; X-YMail-OSG: SSxbnJ4VM1nEbTgLkZG99C7ZzDqEEM5mPAF7IiOFttE_Siz .VW_nIbMfWw1TCQSkiJzv7Db.X0fNMsA2CiRi651VokM6a4KjU2yWcd.i4tt aguJX8e.Q8tVoxPB44VIrY1EzfmMW8A9JMv9VVrhQjIFcG0mL.8BHOZlGtNC K5qUsnwBSqxh9A.6DElBIOEA0Ma2k59AMFarsM.fz3CqKkjcAfbuAVBoDcGr hvOvjKhFlh7hTyR4.Pmj3MT1i_aVR7HKv5BoQ4y7cbFjTJS7zVMUg9FAjq1l 5rNq1qyBd1oj8BL9rtIJExGTiE4gGXTPdOAfs_8GXEjIxpa.0xWbnopvtiA_ j6VkPMPoXdCa6HuPmKW6LtWjqmq1p2H6w6GXbGc7zlegCQR6QSseRzvqNovp 7XD0yVo6HBgAcxrWHF8zLSOzMA5PUeU6DLAmwyrRA944hN47XnIzUb9h7tub 9berOujav6Ri.CTAVHHnAJYaTn15q.J1kwYx1_ti6FRFbyEIYdlQCYIa3 Received: from [90.199.100.164] by web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:37:44 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342791464.35265.YahooMailNeo@web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:37:44 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: davewillner , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Standard Triumph period or OEM lighter X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Go to http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/ and type CA1408 B into the search box. That will show you an enlargeable image of a Lucas cigar lighter element (and heater unit)that was used by Standard-Triumph as an approved accessory from about 1950 to 1980. Whether that same unit was sold in the States by US dealers is another matter - but if you want 'originality' the item referenced here is the one to go for. As I recall the cigarette/cigar image soon wore off after use, so if this one does the same it'll be really authentic! Jonmac ________________________________ From: davewillner To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 21:20 Subject: [TR] Standard Triumph period or OEM lighter >I misplaced the photo I had of an original Standard Triumph lighter, does >anyone have a picture than can send...one appropriate for a TR3. Thanks > >Dave Willner >Stroudsburg PA >59 TR3A >70 MGB >70 BSA 441 VS >Sometimes its better to travel than to arrive... > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 09:19:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B162E2D05C6 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:19:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 785872D0372 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 14:42:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.192] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 14:42:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2012 14:42:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 672326.74810.bm@omp1050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16748 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2012 14:42:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342795349; bh=Bh87ST8XVuYRAXOmVPKB387CprTvumhZJkjyKllXM9s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4tJDdUYKXL01Tj+Cm/Qri5JXa64urLfKqpB+zEjQCByTag7stgDZ8NSQnBgcRFcCBwE1ZQCah6kYOIj7vIgsAnGg0beeBNib0R6xnMMKPN9fZMG61VhBE/jfjKK85dTVUBqs3Ao42TLmQFoKYXfo+/hkQWlIy/Amz+uWWJRQPnI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oIJ7uMYDHdBU5ShN2uVpPxQcjJzr9N+xv4liswvucJBUyi/aqD7GsgOIZsbbTzegn3d6mF+u/3z5quQywnq1hTnJUVDXP4z80Uhyeh1yUBcjV411Wny2Msni4oL7jB7qTfz3p9j78F2bBmT7h1GwqPQ3z9jEvX4Xi08Cfyna28k=; X-YMail-OSG: xR_ifJMVM1kV7ZnOAeXmqbAJPB_muv2LLScWytM9ef6rlw2 2piptOsxHLmhVVaXAsY8YBf0Lhug_ps6XBO1kKD_4qu_UVpXPEQxkgGczLVZ B4fEg.mCd617XtK8l0.tSTYMQd81wHEbW73nQoGQAv4spY8TcTSwPGEeF6_h .uuOil7mN2BJoGL_aw9.i4axIKv.CSJSWRx8qvnQq2bKEBALLB1bhbO35dfZ krUPOMKx_aI7XrTXrNSDRkqDCC7nj1Cg01eAOvflv6.bxrxuElCsuICq8EbY WCwdWRHEcf40.JdELOsHsVWnoIWaiRZXSYYcmqerYaVlv9QuMb1I5vBngx.P TOxhTBb1FfdRLpuH8_IYbAkcNcX48Sb5oHw.w8yw_1H1lXGTHE70KOmfv6zY DGMfyE4eVyTC3cfbaiVWUMJxK Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:42:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342795349.4055.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Chris Simo , Wbeech In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i complained directly to the guy selling it by using the "ask seller a question" button lets all hit him up Frank ________________________________ From: Chris Simo To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [TR] sad story Well.... we could see if enough folks on the list can complain to ebay to make a difference. I'm in! On Jul 19, 2012 7:48 PM, "Wbeech" wrote: > Dave, > I had one experience with eBay and rip-off refund, they really make you > jump > through the hoops. I would keep badgering eBay/Paypal about your refund. > You can always cite the fact that he now has it re-listed as proof of > delivery. > > I WILL keep his name on file for the future. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:49 PM > To: Dave > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] sad story > > That stinks -- you should certainly keep after ebay as the guy obviously > got > the thing back as he has relisted it. Looks like he changed the > description > a bit though, it now says: > > *This Sale is for a transmission from a 1973 Triumph Spitfire It was > brought > in with a claimed less than 500 mile on rebuild. It will need to be cleaned > up and shaft has slight play to it (about 1/16" movement).* > ** > Good luck. > > Geo > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave wrote: > > > A couple of weeks ago I purchased an overdrive tranny on ebay. The > > price was really good b that should have been my first clue. He > > showed a picture of the car, not the tranny. Should have been my > > second clue.... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 11:01:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862562D05CE for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:01:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9D82D0457 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so5125523ggm.14 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aKD4jT+fGzijpVrnFz/m6qzZ/EuedGAxOb+Y3PB5+Z8=; b=B3Fvd4dyXVQ1ShVVbH/P65eqbT4ztI5T6WyiWxJ9pWs46Mk4TUFCFpc0OF5DLahjrq qZs4Nvf2ufJ+dzwklsR810ihakn4JTt+hGb0L+nS1OpZG2FUhDQhx3VGvYqaqgrbKWHO UcMeJwoIV2T2ct0PSSypzWxGbnswFs2EPvguRkhMpneYKfqbLQgUnuatkfNj7a7vxdf+ AKHHL58YfmUF+Tn7UlEn7uOJlI41d1OxhYbzwKw7dP5zBi+Z7amo+SGU1dVFUX6y1GlU +rliVGIpTPixVqZiyayLR9Qv/vzQcEuT9CfKJV3d9N0twtwZvAEdrrLN3VH37ZfhLziW NG3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.76.137 with SMTP id k9mr4921061igw.25.1342801383887; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.62.197 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1342795349.4055.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342795349.4055.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: Geo Hahn To: Frank Fisher X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I see that he has now pulled the re-listing, perhaps that is a good sign. Geo On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > i complained directly to the guy selling it by using the "ask seller a > question" button > lets all hit him up > Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 12:45:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADC02D05C7 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:45:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13C62D0341 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ALFA ([67.154.115.174]) by m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id cinr1j0033lq3FF01inrBo; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: <94593912C2DF49428C696AD91C4E61E3@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1342795349.4055.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:47:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net amazingly enough, and many thanks to the people who reminded him of his duty, a refund has been issued from his account to me. its pending until the 25th, but I think it will clear. thanks again to you all!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:23 AM To: Frank Fisher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] sad story I see that he has now pulled the re-listing, perhaps that is a good sign. Geo On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > i complained directly to the guy selling it by using the "ask seller a > question" button > lets all hit him up > Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 19:03:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAC12D0314 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:03:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A891D2D030C for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 00:59:34 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.161] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 00:59:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 00:59:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 30086.91023.bm@omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 12095 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2012 00:59:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342832373; bh=mpk28+Jn3254MGJw6WpThS85kjZs+csgMPNCmYGwnzA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VpJC1yaggwuvR8HBSGoTtJI1ac5ubxi4yhLI/mHNp7B130SUL8AxJ1V78k23Bq5R2Sa5fSV+d8EH12aUkT9/U/ZrZqzPpcYSZ5cv6kY+fZAdyV5tEbuPCyDfd9OC5pvtW6BYUajTZgWdCSByAlUSUXY9XWogJypOW221WYaYgys= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z/QvC3lYEm/Hk9guHYR2fJUBNaalsKHpePjrPvp1pJ/XjJPK40ATu2O2vYnJgwYKOzA4gYmNVUvfJTa9NOya2EYC7im0PqYbjEoUhuzonLThA0cDJpzEZHsAWO2psGGpE6po7Qi9qhw6MZqYFgYTzqQcyAcjuYy7p4d0yaSpo1E=; X-YMail-OSG: x4RbkcIVM1mSvU5UjKbibP7WPc1bgro5Mvrq3LQF7Hnbl2a vdLXyjS.kgkyp5zep9Fvif0Yxc3KDqyQsLB2sGr0XWjNirD.82QVXDExhRGa BCkvqRj15WVuYR1bqt4P41OzgQaUb9eIKgICjD87sD.nGDtf84WVjdUuMDr3 fi4zQdrH9E4LTL5U54eLSfQtcAr.3UVvB1gSLcA4ECLniC4RKGrzl.gZ2SL2 1tep2sUpbe2_4WTwvViCWpC2YToAMBvlZtO49fXeKe_wzBkA59u7h33xE0Hk qf8r2bmlDH2YCwFqnTmOh91hdlv57L5sQkwwGdrjZR7_QKCQuyQUA5prvOFK rdRb5KacKcQYbw8dihDd9GqIVXqcSFPhbsVMs7T9w3FSmXOvgHL5FiYYhdp4 HuV8yErAW7uFyTGO9StfaxHzKwgsam_VZuphYzPsrpX1Sp34rCq6KcjTFJDY 05vUlXQtyLceJCx_E2jY3Hf2C Received: from [71.103.140.143] by web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:59:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1342795349.4055.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <94593912C2DF49428C696AD91C4E61E3@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <1342832373.73338.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Dave , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <94593912C2DF49428C696AD91C4E61E3@ranteer.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] sad story X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net good guys do win nice ________________________________ From: Dave To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [TR] sad story amazingly enough, and many thanks to the people who reminded him of his duty, a refund has been issued from his account to me. its pending until the 25th, but I think it will clear. thanks again to you all!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:23 AM To: Frank Fisher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] sad story I see that he has now pulled the re-listing, perhaps that is a good sign. Geo On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > i complained directly to the guy selling it by using the "ask seller a > question" button > lets all hit him up > Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 20:04:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4D72D032B for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:04:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BAE2D01CA for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so4339780vcb.14 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:01:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fDRloYVrJLNLWTvtvwKNQD7W+5AgfFUmzOUmnTv2i/g=; b=C0Z+hAKELcCOOW5P9UrlWuyxhwPFrUF7nvxz/VyytcBnbCbEc2AdDsoFasLn0g5z4o a6IEejj7Sa4sVIT+XXv6o+ZF5nhDkQwi8wB1SQQSjT6U8CMvMMxjjqZprTtwUEddqwmC 96lj+7LOgb+IaLwVuQWdMatWWROdY8XBjiueanzTR8F59kjDhzvfVoWTCHBe76GqlFR/ XFSicdGwp59q5lFna2m0dE4UtYw07ZEVM/5+k12+wRXSUQwcVS0DVPzc8nnsiVTKnrE0 BAyusA3RkPOPrD6U3l9satUKtrhYLL1fOL0esq1gouDqUTLa0ObIj3/SCJdiNkmCX6mD RaEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.26.240 with SMTP id o16mr5451119vdg.20.1342836106427; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.220.164 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:01:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Rimmer Bros - question about shipping charges to US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings: For those of you who have ordered small parts from Rimmer Brothers - do they offer a slower, discounted shipping via Royal Mail to the US? I am considering buying a trans gear from them but I really do not need it in two or three days if I can save some money. RImmers was aprox $50 + shipping). I also checked at TRF (NLS), SpitBits (not available), BPNW (no listings for individual internal trans parts) & Vicky Brit ($99 + shipping). I figure that all the parts combined that I am considering buying would easily fit in a modest size shoe box and weigh less than 10 lbs. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 20:10:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5904D2D036D for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3A372D0308 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 02:12:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.168] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 02:12:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 02:12:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 88587.94332.bm@omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 23032 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2012 02:12:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342836778; bh=j826rLIYr4Xh0EA2oeBRtd2Qmz36U2wR7C1But1TZ8A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5sIZdZMPhwqIjfMEQbmWc2d0359HSfGJyyfKqizgY6kGEHw78ztgoFa1iBo+acYyCszxEa60U/U/f67GNc9jOHZF64g2Ul+OzgeVNP2peJf8JA1hO30qkgWPz0aP+aM/2YRx8Wx3FPkjNps6CT3VDDtQ0oDwx1pAS4zDNJNvLUY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V3wRk4B6PQOKlb/+2AkTJCtCGqsUqMBrcyQ2Mg0NwcbYf0uXSfzurnsqThQsTQ4PgdiT7iwJ7JFJ82j7XbXzvcdJ1Tj7nPE2Jp5N5LnZGkT7qhsW6hpDrXZrGJXyR+M3PdFTvUod6WwubrDj5IkyWkDpnHtMYd4gGUiK97I5BB8=; X-YMail-OSG: cPYxUoEVM1mIoKss.yNLfjFOfGpEg8yc9T5m2zKA1lfqems TSGnxDTj60T7_Q15EfyAs6resFOjXQa6HuFQbfM03G0gf.cb_099KNyhPpYN xxDYI6yUqN7hKPgwkFb2J38YkwnbD1sxenIFjJxuQXWc76kcGyvFKm3c1oZV xzlQiqWG5TjiVVnYKruinXrg.veaLVUqteBYKG4VMwf2dK9sS9oNVn6uLhJC qWH.3zQEON3jX2P7jpvTdL0.G6xW8BoCRjV30Rh11eGpQtRJ7QDl14CoLJRb fmcvbDop2ndjTZRO57qFSn1A.JI46muHQtSeCGpC9nNgbCIVqqLBuQxmoHSh u5x6r1xL64cvM90drDCOYRaOaYE2MVqOUsfuI_23Nopw3_DLDdY3xiQL0i4B i4CkyydKb2sxTg1pkgtc6G5S39D8iyoWHZd9C6.Rq2o294JFA0FDTHNz_ufa 62hMe3_W0YexJ6uxQbJ9qUvficE9m7ZRG.JANORvruQI92Ppkrs29x9NdJpx Fh2GORQVa3xbMFGzd0zxWEY5BLJXGkGvr Received: from [72.192.119.180] by web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:12:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342836777.22116.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: aribert neumann , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Rimmer Bros - question about shipping charges to US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It seems to me that 2 pounds is the break point for UK - US shipments. From there up, the price goes astronomical. I can't figure out why their postal costs are so high. I don't recall them having "slow" service. Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: [TR] Rimmer Bros - question about shipping charges to US Greetings: For those of you who have ordered small parts from Rimmer Brothers - do they offer a slower, discounted shipping via Royal Mail to the US? I am considering buying a trans gear from them but I really do not need it in two or three days if I can save some money. RImmers was aprox $50 + shipping). I also checked at TRF (NLS), SpitBits (not available), BPNW (no listings for individual internal trans parts) & Vicky Brit ($99 + shipping). I figure that all the parts combined that I am considering buying would easily fit in a modest size shoe box and weigh less than 10 lbs. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 20:22:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F237E2D032E for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:22:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F6D92D01CA for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.189] by nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 02:24:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.160] by tm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 02:24:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 02:24:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 768690.57104.bm@omp1043.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14172 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2012 02:24:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342837491; bh=7dLWoGKpb78o5m4SLQ0rk3m3nyDyTrhQwnq4vu0QuY0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=330vdsGqc4gleOzVH/0fiRCVgusR3U6SZ13roQyub2vdrTRSQk5fhckeFPmi2DhIY6aDDGUGYUN7IK6ba9d9miNLQX2iDroufV9wRQmDSsRvOgxlbBUMRuHlSSb013EdqTEpkT4Y7Hi/Bmay7XplmKMsvYEQuHgkhpJFLloNNic= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZGVdc2kVcvuXt1w503tUrkIFs/MnqBpkXYHwQ2Wgmf1gcqxNmzAC4LIMK3eFPke+BV87jVLWqP0utINt3yNDFKG1eMSOpl3+lo8lvDl/BLitogEMC1dEAHzdguUfgFhu0jvpDz1LTKpi6HrrDjWgnVoWmNmP5MXPEjx0mwX5LxA=; X-YMail-OSG: z_GQZhAVM1lwcbwYraDAo8x_Nxn2wlEg8bT1UUVzsYpz4LP m2fX9bW43qTZGfwx4mTUOaeU4mENYFy2rHyuPjtIcyPiWFiro9VmWFWCNal8 dU79Bs6tP2mUx0i0PFmK3a_fDFwDaOhrz7yVPxqydM7Op7Ute78DCNwS1plq khCVXwQaSW9qV4IFctzB9Y2zhGNeNya8dl0fq91zwQ1sv8vFWmAHFdUY_T3e eUD9HC27q9aTZaBFFM80Ra3Aw5.shR2VHoQ2xcG_CNC4SA0jbXnUK4lnOYnw QcJ_B61.dRAGgDh2wQgAiVorz2TkpGj3.BNSiduxSZH8cqmOSUGFN2j_pTGp 4_izr9fYbZNP0q8Aa.yPtt4LffPYxakz.n5o9G4N5Egd2AngEm2dFhA6TGIu R7.xfaWircbjw_d3lQVmH7f_JK0oSgVwECNsIvXnwLVl1zQP9DWk- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:24:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342837491.13905.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] follow up fitting top X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the suggestions and help concerning my top problem. The main problem I found was that I hadn't completely extended the front bar on the top frame. It had been stuck until I finally got it pushed forward in it's proper place and everything is much closer to fitting. I can see now that it'll take some fiddling to get the webs screwed down properly which affects the spacing of the frame bars. Thanks again to those who sent information and spacing measurements. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 20 20:51:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D0D2D032B for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:51:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F4F2D02FF for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:47:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so3113535wgb.20 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JWSuK800ZgvlIrZeA0weU6Vlj3eiPH5n30PUgiQDHBQ=; b=aYk1DMqb7ApSbXKpV4xfMFWU1ib8/HZQeYPEFXKqhxuXL45S8SqWOm3GGy5qUY7lE9 XP35BH+lj0diYn6RbDO4JZEPTjL97SpEdzeVXtWkdaxrxT3TLS5CuIXwGBMBuyUWg+ij 2X7sm3kWNeT2CJdfyjW2AYbJ31jNzUxFrRwP+O7f7c4FO5wRCNxOKfmN199QRA4WHx8r vFiHgTBwIot76tgQ3d/3TensRoMiiLJxdTG8MSUH6XnwNLZ+3eKtKmyaoRM3fElB/fiJ rGZn5Zk6rWc/4wiaJYkb1cv7Hzf7ZJCCSxxtsAPsf0JNNHZE1+HUUO50miFi59TM3Wcg 0P/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.19.162 with SMTP id g2mr19112449wie.22.1342839002518; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:50:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1342837491.13905.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1342837491.13905.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: Gary Nafziger X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] follow up fitting top X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For me i have a buddy in the uk (whom i forcibly deported) that stays with us 2 or 3 times a year... On Jul 20, 2012 10:25 PM, "Gary Nafziger" wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions and help concerning my top problem. The > main > problem I found was that I hadn't completely extended the front bar on the > top > frame. It had been stuck until I finally got it pushed forward in it's > proper > place and everything is much closer to fitting. I can see now that it'll > take > some fiddling to get the webs screwed down properly which affects the > spacing > of the frame bars. > Thanks again to those who sent information and spacing > measurements. > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 21 01:05:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378EC2D02EA for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:05:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7AD2D02DA for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:05:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=CmK6TYwDWBYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=r8_Y38ao-haAxeh0qiYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=VAVIyravzamvWBx6:21 a=nw09of3oN1PrKohS:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 19/B0-28917-8555A005; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:08:08 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'aribert neumann'" , References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:08:07 -0700 Message-ID: <03de01cd670f$94f95130$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1m5YZHvftOQaJUT1yWW6qmGQNDFwAKFaYQ Subject: Re: [TR] Rimmer Bros - question about shipping charges to US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > For those of you who have ordered small parts from Rimmer > Brothers - do > they offer a slower, discounted shipping via Royal Mail to > the US? When I asked a few years ago, they flat refused to ship by any means other than airmail. IIRC, Royal Mail will only handle packages under 2kg (4.4 pounds); anything larger has to go through ParcelForce. When I talked another UK vendor into sending by ParcelForce economy (surface), the package disappeared for about 3 weeks and then got returned to them. No refunds, I wound up paying for delivery twice in order to get my parts. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 21 04:37:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CEC2D02EA for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:37:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 351D12D02D6 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm22.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 10:09:31 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.134] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 10:09:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 10:09:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 980925.97378.bm@omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58709 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2012 10:09:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1342865370; bh=l6FvzPD85fIzDsWmmRDAvvfnrdWK1fo/Bed9YlJNub8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wpSv0CmHPHraj+BL40fIuQ4btVsWksfvlRXZmDctXmBH65XN7/AE4TUwj7miWcHDIJTQYyiL3KxJLNs96OMYEnQbWrQ7tr6WO5J9gnKILd8xUkGMZyX9u1EK1PyM4+ZjBIK0Gvml2xDu7FHIcdIrL6Cuv13q64QDIyeqHS4re1U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jid2GimeonRpS7qOh2VCQ15yvrFW9hD/lQBMQN0kp4kgOy7v8PYr7YYl28PHNM9LVH3eeXXUhaaSGSzqWH8tys5O2BGJIQAXtHJ11PGW/8gIKINCLfRNr1JkQ0Sa5igjf0KKMRASHaAl0UxHJBXC5gCMxHWjYzLRWQ5p3TvbN0w=; X-YMail-OSG: W.HZ.44VM1nKNN9qO8Ohpe8dDp2mcIYUZOemwcJvJWOpmR2 WgXnofbETtjcB.rRbFjq8XltmvM2tygJ8747r.bHqJjJmDO2rW8EVpbaK7dM G0LcFPxNiMpXoFvUWzjRzjyIBgrbZBlzATlDL24ewMT_Yj3pbvEXp.bsyPfX 8qpwTZ_zswidmphAOwagR56cZ8yPQyWVo.e83x9cd7pmBgP3tKK5R3_I.zER 9Jwo3B8BonLcL7t2Jc3Y5_dyZTOjfNJURMJ9IvS64vr86lHNFz7H7H2L4.01 sDhxvKutVPlR420eIOUfKVUiOVaENCU9rMKmTmJAggEKqlrbYl_Z4mXjyP6a bIt3ek16_nD.zvjJBDC6772sbTdSYb_Kqv24PcqbHUm1gLgc- Received: from [90.199.100.164] by web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:09:30 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <03de01cd670f$94f95130$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <1342865370.50569.YahooMailNeo@web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:09:30 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Randall , 'aribert neumann' , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <03de01cd670f$94f95130$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Rimmer Bros - question about shipping charges to US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: When I talked another UK vendor into sending by ParcelForce economy (surface), the package disappeared for about 3 weeks and then got returned to them. Which perhaps goes some way to explaining why that august organisation is known in the UK as ParcelFarce............? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 21 07:02:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7B12D02E8 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:02:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8253D2D02C0 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhm6 with SMTP id hm6so1066799wib.2 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:03:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=grH6k68O0mIDHe86pRiEhf92Z50DcCwHhDL8Y4UnG94=; b=ES1JSAsS1BA09aNBKszEHlAqCYlPbzKglMZzY4LsRZTgokTAHcFNqA78OezIT7G4A6 iEg2ntxNfBw2GJYd7mKTG1eTEO69ZFqmdcPxPRpA87I0VZk5ZBhvozwyqsKRjWTzyO1Z NJmzJIjTRG93aI/2ep3DHYrotAeMRDLkwgnbcxqKg7yaqn0hgTqQnjxeBN1rMcEOxVOD WIMng7ZAFYUJccP0/KFx53yh8Ud/2SzDwGZzOiQUFP5koYgnSa0SECafgYVASEDycXuj 7tNZiChjAr+Wy9Q9A3G2nyHHhX30Z0Bgra0t1M2zqpDX0A0kXi+ilOMZoTm5/vKVtpb6 3ZMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.106 with SMTP id o10mr14653791wiz.22.1342875785032; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Part help request for our charity car X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Triumph Club of the Carolinas is working with others to build a Tr6 to raffle off to benefit Wheels for Hope of Raleigh and also benefit the widow of a local mechanic. We are very close and are lacking only a few parts. We could use donations for a Oil Pressure gauge late style chrome outer bezel/black inner bezel, needles point up and nice chrome bumpers (or parts of) as the ones we have are pitted and have a few dings. The oil pressure guage is the only show stopper at this time. If you want to see some pics of progress email me and I'll send them to you. Thanks! 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I am debating whether to do the two and a half hour drive to get there... The Queen's English car show at Woodley Park was sort of rained out last March. There used to be a British car show at Stanford park in Palo Alto. Do they still have some sort of car show there? Is there another SoCal British car show this summer or fall? TIA -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 21 14:39:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6343B2C0CA0 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:39:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4962D0219 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d8Yp1j0011zF43QA68dyvU; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:37:58 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d8dx1j00T0GAcNo8k8dxuh; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:37:58 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1342901307.33776.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342901307.33776.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: <006001cd6780$b73c0050$25b400f0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1nfMAXFXX3gDHHS/eSBWj7z7PC/QAAyEXA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] CA Brit Car Shows X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, The All British Meet in Palo Alto is no more. The autumn Classic that was in Morgan Hill the last few years was also discontinued although I've heard that Bill Hyland of On The Road Again Classics is planning on doing it again. If it happens, that would be in the fall. The only British show in the area that I know of is the Hayward meet, but that already happened. The Woodland meet also already happened, that's east of the Bay area, closer to Sacramento. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] CA Brit Car Shows Sunday is the Ventura British car show. I am debating whether to do the two and a half hour drive to get there... The Queen's English car show at Woodley Park was sort of rained out last March. There used to be a British car show at Stanford park in Palo Alto. Do they still have some sort of car show there? Is there another SoCal British car show this summer or fall? TIA -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 21 15:26:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4B72C0D49 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:26:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF1D02C0D49 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:25:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 21:28:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2012 21:28:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 244882.77568.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 7808 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2012 21:28:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=me5V0I6VnkNJgTwtbTxNsnwrlSM0jdNBHE7bRqrvBHx4GE9BARtkujac0nmqbExH0sUm1iWZok2SI+diJBWskh/yGVCPjZNlD0eRJm6VhUYdeBv9zsMlWkBR1qpfcSlMPONSHcEWu5Hj9An65aHk3jwfSXJjz9Q3URsO5Et+gF8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1342906101; bh=amfcMxMkXtbe9dctQYDyKKFAdpUBcb2/gcyWw4IKAwY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=NL4J8q9yQAB3H1mN8g+xB5KOx4gPaPpI9Hanam7wIiPuf8uYTVDRVxh59V5nENZB2JkfgBQaWx/su6W0g6BCD+R1yZD9U2Gkr5zcAT5ui/rPsxWeucbtWku6TiTVKOa55KUytreLE57sVMueEzUB1tiP9P4cGblKIzVx8A5rqvs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: A52FetkVM1m6ZhVeznMwpoF97FVJcsheOMB3__38cpqvZwm SyWlpKu2jhQchq.DM3H7sZR3O61Z3uaFDF00lq_pur_g3bI7TQsJQ.4UX32y b26FQF5Dd_dPi.Y6NdaKai6ZO964Uq.Z.Wqsxw7tFxYCLzObopkpc6tCsOAP PmmB9I2UiSxbm9BwydJTlkebUq1UkfYH6KWeehTJ8daB4X5x1F7poKutiJ7O rcd._Ry46cNLrTj4oIFgpGW6ZLyr6R.ECPYfDEgCgr_sqc2U8yt23sFSY7zD C5FRNaCIMH3VOPB3ifWweShrdQXeiSm6HSiLSaEiBCbr1MrjHVVOV.SUAdfX 3Ko.8B90BVMNObsxhfz52IYacAkKY30JpY8ZFvIHPsXA7V0._fTkKaXBpccE utALj1M_T_I8IKVncPUSUQeoZ6LW1_SBKvp_BkXLLF2e3y4AdxlqHquP0TKg i5bLI8PdKNuYDX.rhHZDPtoTMskU7HDXcHAdAT6LY7GL1o5.Yvpf.YAOo8LJ uko5G9.nRDWVNMI4sfVMw6LsgqaaUxQo4yxeISnjMp7EECcX2T7MtrPRDJH8 h.Z0wVc1By6H0p9MnFw9zhPqLj9OjL0ftd8PZaTBs.8kypg.BOEMijvTLsWc - X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2012 14:28:20 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: , "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1342901307.33776.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <006001cd6780$b73c0050$25b400f0$@net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:28:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006001cd6780$b73c0050$25b400f0$@net> Thread-Index: Ac1nfMAXFXX3gDHHS/eSBWj7z7PC/QAAyEXAAAHDWiA= Subject: Re: [TR] CA Brit Car Shows X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't forget the Danville d'Elegance on September 15-16. http://www.danville-delegance.org/ Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:38 PM To: 'William Brewer'; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] CA Brit Car Shows Hi Bill, The All British Meet in Palo Alto is no more. The autumn Classic that was in Morgan Hill the last few years was also discontinued although I've heard that Bill Hyland of On The Road Again Classics is planning on doing it again. If it happens, that would be in the fall. The only British show in the area that I know of is the Hayward meet, but that already happened. The Woodland meet also already happened, that's east of the Bay area, closer to Sacramento. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] CA Brit Car Shows Sunday is the Ventura British car show. I am debating whether to do the two and a half hour drive to get there... The Queen's English car show at Woodley Park was sort of rained out last March. There used to be a British car show at Stanford park in Palo Alto. Do they still have some sort of car show there? Is there another SoCal British car show this summer or fall? TIA -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 21 15:59:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D912C0CC7 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:59:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B702D01AE for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JamesPC ([unknown] [108.15.202.223]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M7J007L163SM970@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:52:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <9D9167C3100848358A933E44131F5D90@JamesPC> From: To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:52:51 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Copart Auto Auction TR3 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have any knowledge about the car listed below. http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e1s1&lotId =20661422&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 22 07:53:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE5E2C0D4D for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:53:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09052C0D22 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6MDo6vj001435 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:50:06 -0400 Received: from core-moc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.17]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C009E000085 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <528d.3da4b864.3d3d5f0d@cs.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:50:06 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [99.46.204.207] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342965006; bh=UmWSAbxYIobl46HLc0sR/fQ4QuDqrXkFUKt/Fe/cNSs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qLpVOR4l4jSJXRUVbVVMRfI9TO5B6xu4OqsgSORRhZqZOKmdLOQfp4Aeuk+HoWt7l sjmRG7uPPGceiM1XDCa1x2qF4nRL6575R+4vMkqCoTytgojb0t6+LRDPuP0jSeCVIU AMgzx5sZ0E6jnU0qFEQ2LXnMKXMTLztSVV3ErghQ= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359121024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb500c050e2fcc X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR6 Diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A fellow club member has this differential from a TR6 and was wondering if it was a Quaife. I've never actually seen a Quaife so I can't help him. TIA Dave http://www.sltoa.org/members/houghtaling/images/Differential.jpg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 22 08:29:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93462C6CD2 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:29:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 303642C0D42 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:29:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10818 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2012 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2012 14:31:46 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=59636 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SsxCE-0000iI-Ji; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:31:46 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:31:44 -0500 To: Dave1massey@cs.com,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <528d.3da4b864.3d3d5f0d@cs.com> References: <528d.3da4b864.3d3d5f0d@cs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Identified-User: {10304:just64.justhost.com:tonydre1:tonydrews.com} {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120722142938.C93462C6CD2@autox.team.net> It's a Detroit Locker limited slip diff. Rare as hens teeth! Tony Drews At 08:50 AM 7/22/2012, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: >A fellow club member has this differential from a TR6 and was wondering if >it was a Quaife. I've never actually seen a Quaife so I can't help him. > >TIA > >Dave > >http://www.sltoa.org/members/houghtaling/images/Differential.jpg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 22 16:15:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C2A2C0D18 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:15:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb01.cogeco.net (wmsmtp.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC8F2C0D16 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:11:52 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwHAGV6DFDAqMjN/2dsb2JhbABFAwqDHoFfIQG0MYEHgzEHEIk2C54Khk6EJod3jT+PBIMcA5VJhX2KEIJ7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,634,1336363200"; d="scan'208";a="5488693" X-SBRS: None Received: from unknown (HELO cogeco.ca) ([192.168.200.205]) by wmipb01.cogeco.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2012 18:14:15 -0400 From: amcewen2@cogeco.ca To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Cogeco Webmail - complaints to abuse@cogeco.ca ( 67.193.105.44 - amcewen2@cogeco.ca ) X-Originating-IP: 67.193.105.44 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:15 -0400 Message-id: <500c7b37.249.3703.9829@cogeco.ca> Subject: [TR] Selling my TR3A X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: amcewen2@cogeco.ca List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bid early & Bid often ;) http://www.ebay.ca/itm/150861673487?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 More photos on my dropbox site... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s7whksy43n715t8/77sWBnqJE5 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 05:22:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB362C0D2C for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:22:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.farmside.co.nz (mx1.farmside.co.nz [118.82.130.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3641C2C0D18 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:57:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=118.82.148.217; Received: from AshleysPC (unverified [118.82.148.217]) by farmside.co.nz (mail) with ESMTP id 124073319-1739096 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:00:14 +1200 Message-ID: <113B5D0FF94C44BABC9D135A0DD6B897@AshleysPC> From: "ashleys" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:00:10 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Authenticated-User: ashleys@farmside.co.nz X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3B for sale in NZ X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi!, I have my TR3B for sale on www.trademe.co.nz listing no 495666217. The only one in NZ Thanks Ashley ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 05:47:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770082D017C for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:47:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F42C0CFE for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6NBneqH017731 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:49:40 -0400 Received: from core-moc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.17]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 749EAE000085 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:49:40 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [96.24.251.93] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343044180; bh=26t2DnZRLZihc3ZK1JngtLwwVG/iL6oDCw8LRV5yARs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nlMqpd+rbE5WO6aPvg6dzI8V9Vsoxg/Z7vtOeDKwWixR3pg4StY+tqJB+sASy8KNQ kvPlQ+C8niR56MTCjmNXSzTJ52Ka9jBeAy7vPK6gw/W1SVqt5WeZp/bxkAPH12VwlR ECHW2BXUI1qEb7WygKSwk2i/4udKoW+XKPuWZ+9Y= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482477536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb500d3a542ad9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Diff X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. I'll pass it along. Dave In a message dated 7/22/2012 10:31:48 AM Central Daylight Time, tony@tonydrews.com writes: > It's a Detroit Locker limited slip diff. Rare as hens teeth! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 08:34:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159962C6CD1 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:34:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4FF2C0D18 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU162-W15 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 23 Jul 2012 06:49:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.170.190.117] From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:49:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2012 13:49:01.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAC9D460:01CD68D9] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 08:42:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235A02D0186 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:42:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail07.truedefense.com (mail07.truedefense.com [216.69.224.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AF42C094D for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail05.truedefense.com (unknown [172.16.9.36]) by mail07.truedefense.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496BFC0705; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ex1hts01.onthenetoffice.com ([172.16.8.31]) by mail05.truedefense.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6NEiafH053203; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JPayne@ThorCon.net) Received: from EX1MBX01.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::f9f4:b916:4b54:5534]) by ex1hts01.onthenetoffice.com ([fe80::dcca:855d:bb32:dc3f%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:44:36 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'tom white'" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] Media blasting? Thread-Index: AQHNaODk7iN0PeaHS06gjd1BaAmaOZc28FMw Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:44:34 +0000 Message-ID: <5891B364A7C3594B9466304B59E65B1C2D2F4E5E@ex1mbx01.onthenetoffice.com> References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [172.16.12.67] x-pp-proceessed: f14c9345-0aa7-4395-be7e-1fa366b271af MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a blast cabinet from harbor freight that works just fine, for small stuff (up to the size of a wire wheel) although their media is pricy. As to big stuff, make sure you have a lot of space, far away from your house and proper gear to keep it off you. Soda blasting is all the rage, but all I can comment on is what a mess it makes. I sent my last project (AH 3000) to a specialist and had it back in 4 days for $800 - money well spent. Jonas Payne PBR Cell: (702) 358-5084 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom white Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:49 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Media blasting? Hi List, Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpayne@thorcon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 10:48:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8152C0C9F for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:48:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0610F2C0CF9 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 16:14:46 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 16:14:46 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.116] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 16:14:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 16:14:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4919.59722.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84548 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2012 16:14:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=zb/WStQ9LQH1nBalK1aJfGA6a8VHIVwuNFlkG08ApKGCU16biEXQoJ/N2ijSbwso3xy5i9I8niFfC+eYFOdZtXcZ/WhDOlYqV1PH3q1H5GFHVGjjVPBesuQBja2veWIx+RKRVnxW/J5JsaacfcjgvnbckCeQbi2vM3LZiAQ1i/A= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1343060085; bh=d2MHTZ1gN/UyZcOOgY15wF6F0NNWGzRmko92XNMFzD0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=4G8aOB8LddJ/2zMO583kxmTL/a2TPhzRI0B+smU8oGttJ2+1ZgAGm3M2jppLr/7AEMYDQsE/ZGtZOtWz3KUBBOgnfFFyQiGkbGnqX7zPMFDLBVHpzBQ8UeMIIS0csQLx4VmO4kNSW3zdmLImBTcI5+bi6h9KB799ZjWzPilsrmI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: lsi7SFMVM1n24aYubmPihqzTCLZ6o31tFJsWKmQqv7XK7nb D_QLzniGmFo9hPDd_0WCua9PKhXnhY_LWs9W0CPSVf_me0xOp1M.yE5MwOGj UIj9O27Zz3xw8_UkJiPY4nLVkIXDCwdEag4UeyBruZ4GI1Y3AdOq9z6JBv6W m37j23D6rWsS_Y69ESKmgtN2b2fD1GmXaFX3Qe2j175r8c8uckalnMT4dn.N LYx7p8oKoXlCv8ImdtvutR13eG4hcQM4zP.JbaZm_tVmCgZ3NQ79h1eLVBVY VQD.f.Jm54b1dpk0gOS8ZV0cMB3fL1x2Ej53kBUWAdbb9BOL0gDUzV60.MAJ KiTlD7gWM97fhop1Q7apYAIwo34CO8VULbJohZ5AU0o3a4dhoj1JihqAhneB i.N6.c6lKDpXlCxn756fXnqLqmNdHMETn6bcsAVruBW4yHq39PmKcgt2iHLq cVLI6ygVWFrce1iaNRe42noUgI6M7eN3T5uBez2ARpcO1.8PVjAs- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2012 09:14:45 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , "'tom white'" , References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> <5891B364A7C3594B9466304B59E65B1C2D2F4E5E@ex1mbx01.onthenetoffice.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3A68EC276936438C93332748E3091165@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5891B364A7C3594B9466304B59E65B1C2D2F4E5E@ex1mbx01.onthenetoffice.com> Thread-Index: AQHNaODk7iN0PeaHS06gjd1BaAmaOZc28FMwgAAWU7A= Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a nice cabinet that came from Eastwood, I think it was about $300. It is molded plastic, very thick and sturdy and no leaks. The only mod I made was to add some extra lighting as the single bulb was not enough for my old eyes. I use the glass beads from HF, does a great job. I agree with Jonas, why invest in the gear for the big job that you will only use once or twice. I just had my TR3 frame sandblasted, $180.00. By contrast, I use the cabinet all the time for all the little rusted bits on the restoration, tools and garage sale finds. NFI, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:45 AM To: 'tom white'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? I have a blast cabinet from harbor freight that works just fine, for small stuff (up to the size of a wire wheel) although their media is pricy. As to big stuff, make sure you have a lot of space, far away from your house and proper gear to keep it off you. Soda blasting is all the rage, but all I can comment on is what a mess it makes. I sent my last project (AH 3000) to a specialist and had it back in 4 days for $800 - money well spent. Jonas Payne PBR Cell: (702) 358-5084 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom white Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:49 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Media blasting? Hi List, Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpayne@thorcon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 11:43:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CDA2D018E for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:43:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA552C0CC8 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=MZ9-tKbUxFcH7omGavEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:20278] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 0D/2D-17657-BBD8D005; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:45:31 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'tom white'" , References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: <063f01cd68fa$ec371d00$c4a55700$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1o4LHit+auWISATM29ZDDIL3rUrQAF1RsQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has > anyone > done any DIY media blasting? I also have one of the small cabinets from HF. I wouldn't call it "fine", but it does work more or less. The gloves rotted out in a couple of years and had to be replaced. The replacements (also from HF) appear to be much better quality, but I had to fashion a joint between them and the cuffs that attach to the cabinet. I had to add a light (18" fluorescent tube) in the top as it didn't come with one. The pressure hose to the gun also started to rot and has been replaced. The original gun was such a POS that I replaced it as well, with one I got from JC Whitney some 30 years ago. Takes a huge compressor to keep it running; my old single stage 20 gallon "2.5hp" unit would only hold 90 psi for a minute or so, barely enough to get started before I had to stop and wait for it to catch up. I now use a two-stage "7hp" compressor that lets me blast as long as I want. When I finally get tired of nursing this little cabinet along, I'll probably just build my own larger one from plywood. Lots of plans on the Internet. One pointer is to use some sort of cheap plastic sheet on the inside of the window, so it can be easily replaced when it gets too cloudy. Blasting without a cabinet makes a huge mess, I wouldn't recommend it inside the city limits. If you can hang up the parts and put a big sheet (plastic or linen) underneath, you can capture some of the media for reuse, but you'll still lose a lot, which will wind up on top of everything downwind. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 12:30:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFF52D0192 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:30:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BAE2D0192 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:29:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:17 a=ctP1I5ahBe4A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8A2-SfLM0G8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=GtcFSeLAlQCl_INpazIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 98.145.70.134 Received: from [98.145.70.134] ([98.145.70.134:60675] helo=GatewayPC) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from <308gtsi@roadrunner.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D3/5A-13948-3A89D005; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:32:03 +0000 From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi@roadrunner.com> To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: <006701cd6901$7533b860$5f9b2920$@roadrunner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac1pAXJRKg+3iOYTRhml++Y2dOzzNg== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120723-1, 07/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: 308gtsi@roadrunner.com List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, I would advise you to not bother trying to blast the car yourself. The cost of the equipment - the small HF blaster isn't going to cut it, and a "real" blaster is going to take huge amounts of air - the mess, and the time are all good reasons to have it blasted by a pro. I pay, on average, for a British sports car (MG, Triumph TR, AH, etc) around $250 - 300 for the entire car. That is the frame, body tub, fenders, doors, wheels, and every other bit I can get lose. I don't ever have the hood (bonnet) sand blasted as it will wrap - this from experience! Either chem strip those or have it soda blasted. I do have a small DIY blaster I bought at Sears a long, long time ago. It's fine for the misc bit that I forgot to take to the blaster or something needs a touch up. I once tried to blast an engine bay of my first TR3 when I was in high school, and after an entire weekend of shooting sand, then the next 3 days digging it out of areas that don't often see the light of day, I vowed to always have it done by a pro. My guess is the Stag I have to do next will be more money as it is significantly larger than the other cars, but I think it is money well spent to have a car down to bare metal to work with. Rust is easier to fix, paint sticks better, and the final results is spectacular! This is, of course, just my humble opinion. ~ Brian ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:49:01 +0000 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Media blasting? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi List, Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 14:16:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F142D01BD for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:16:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479592D0182 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120723201156.LRAF10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:11:56 -0400 Received: from Desktop ([71.88.43.114]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id dwBt1j0052TnnaX05wBwzm; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:11:56 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tLjpYIsgAndWmLDLv6oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=l0rTUnuL56bM4w0sCDsvjQ==:117 From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" To: "'tom white'" , References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:10:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01cd690f$66628150$332783f0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQI2u9CAoSrvyU6Yy0PRMVJRTmD7eAJP4co+llIgqUA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom - I use a ALC suction style sandblasting unit for farm equipment restoration and other related tasks. The tank holds about 50 lbs. of sand and the unit requires at least a 5 h.p. compressor. I'm talking of a 5 h.p., 1800 rpm compressor, not one of those "5" h.p. units that have a 3600 rpm motor with a tiny 56 size frame. First, I will say that the novelty of sand blasting wears off very quickly! Even with a hood that has its own forced air supply, you have to expect sand to end up everywhere! Speaking of which, you definitely need an air supplied hood or mask. Studies indicate that inhaling lots of silica particles is not good for one's health. I usually buy 100 lb. bags of medium sand blast sand for about $10/bag from a masonry supply wholesaler. Also, it is slow. Cleaning the outside of a cast iron wood burning stove might take the better part of an hour. If you have lots of flaky rust, that must be chipped off first. I don't have a blast cabinet for small parts, but that might nice to have down the road. Sand blasting small parts in a New England winter outside just doesn't work. Also remember, once a steel/iron object is sand blasted, it will begin to show a film of surface rust in just hours if it is a muggy day. Be sure to close all open windows in the area if you are blasting in the open. I'm assuming you have a good size property that will insulate your neighbors from the sound and dust. Others have suggested hiring out the job - that's what I have done on big projects. Have we scared you off yet? Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom white Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:49 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Media blasting? Hi List, Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 15:18:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8407C2D019F for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:18:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9482F2D0152 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 21:20:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.133] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 21:20:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2012 21:20:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 758955.53600.bm@omp1016.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71331 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2012 21:20:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343078415; bh=nafLhVfm4TkfPMwAexEWd/mUu6b7dnznqYsVCiXJe5s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qT9tF3wgy2MyhD5TMt55qmkAg/PPMLE4x2ef1DohxIFE5nTwMjxCyXZKlA+u2h5W0RB6c3WXnmMq7OVwfVYpqrsqrmf9l6ttzALuHu88iDVGMrdVDiE4/s27AkoQ61HXd+40SUBE0aDSZjLe0D5Dw5l95boEdA07vEXwAkvLejo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6B99S3xq1r4xvcZgvEBMjzAYDBUm4bYKeew5KDerJsm51kr62pN4HeRwiIjrLiac5K/x9PjpMKRasCbh7tyZzPobXvJ06VvydzY+G7ejlWYX5eeKFj13u2oQJIXzriTnS2UwlLBYLIL59+bhHP2+17J7q/FSIwos4kK/9iD286Y=; X-YMail-OSG: pw1Qc0AVM1n5CX100aKjaWsWKInlFzMIyABLn3CDtL6tpBR CWkvILB6kH4IAIBeh2WrOyXqTx3DLk9YCSf_Fom4ICN42mW2yQrxNngmkzEs sQfsihcExxIi4ezC9Ak1ska1zEzWE078JMwFxaXUhDTaDXScnT3O_uoCxnE1 qNTnk1790whtyRfQX6X84l0vZZq0pYoU699x_4aLcRFnVR2tZ0EbHWqVN2uB 6p34y0y1qT94Aj3g38UrNKkt41wL8YwTj5X5QW.ZSDav_9PFNYvE8eJ6HlXE yfdePs_ZqmMiQMBm0A9_X1iIsn5dxKU2vBaTYxxn4z2.NY0cY.96Wfv40M4k f0VixidbzXNMOodwyp5Tj_JEjZ91c.hfwnDEVMKqKIADvpcS1F6hZ2oFKY2b KdyogCCw_mpkrkp4- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:20:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343078415.68424.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] sand blasting X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Nafziger List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased a kit from TIP......a company in ohio. You could google that and find they're site i'm sure. The kit includes a hardened lense, gloves, and I think the gun as well as milar to cover the inside of the lense (window) so you don't blast the window glass. the milar is removable when it gets cloudy and then you peel it off and replace. The gun is good quality as well as the gloves. I've not replaced anything in the 7-8 years I've had it (except gun nozzles which is normal) Included in the kit are directions for building the plywood cabinet which is pretty easy to do if your handy with wood work. Mine is a floor model on legs and probably 4 feet wide and 2 feet in depth. INDISPENSABLE..........if your doing a restoration. It's amazing how well this cleans things up for painting. It's also capable of changing media. Easy to drain from the bottom into a 5 gallon bucket and I change to glass beads for fine work. Just check out they're site and get they're catalogue.......loads of helpful information there. I have no interest in the company.......just found them very helpful. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 17:40:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6A92D01FC for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:40:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97782D01A7 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ds9S1j0051ap0As55zinYU; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:42:47 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.236.169.92]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dziv1j00h1zxQSA3iziy8c; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:42:59 +0000 Message-ID: <500DE346.7030800@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:50:30 -0400 From: Pat Ledford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1343078415.68424.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343078415.68424.YahooMailNeo@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120723-1, 07/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [TR] sand blasting X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's http://www.tptools.com As I live close and they are my first stop. Prices are better than Eastwood but slower shipping. Their warehouse sale after fall Hersey is great. Get their catalog, more items than on the web site. Pat Ledford On 7/23/2012 5:20 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I purchased a kit from TIP......a company in ohio. You could google that and > find they're site i'm sure. The kit includes a hardened lense, gloves, and I > think the gun as well as milar to cover the inside of the lense (window) so > you don't blast the window glass. the milar is removable when it gets cloudy > and then you peel it off and replace. The gun is good quality as well as the > gloves. I've not replaced anything in the 7-8 years I've had it (except gun > nozzles which is normal) > > > Included in the kit are directions for building > the plywood cabinet which is pretty easy to do if your handy with wood work. > Mine is a floor model on legs and probably 4 feet wide and 2 feet in depth. > INDISPENSABLE..........if your doing a restoration. It's amazing how well > this cleans things up for painting. > > > It's also capable of changing media. > Easy to drain from the bottom into a 5 gallon bucket and I change to glass > beads for fine work. > > > Just check out they're site and get they're > catalogue.......loads of helpful information there. I have no interest in the > company.......just found them very helpful. > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pat.l@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 18:11:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4CA2D01FE for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:11:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C713A2D01A7 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:03:41 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LJLkseq9 c=1 sm=0 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=k-YBEP3pMpieLcIlI2kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=XsYWVhf23gBclZBQHh0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50907] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 10/33-01892-CE6ED005; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:06:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:05:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Media Blasting X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a HF floor model (has legs) that works pretty well. My gloves rotted too and I could use a new piece of tempered glass but it has served me well. The gun failed to but I bought a replacement from TP Tools in Northern Ohio that I have had for several years now and still have the original carbide tip in it. I think the part number was SP-25 or something like that. You can get orifices based upon the size of your compressor which is nice too. I can run at 90 psi all day long. Granted it doesn't clean as fast as a larger orifice but I would rather blast that wait. TP Tools also sells a really nice vacumn system for blast cabinets that I picked up also. All in all not a bad system. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 18:12:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DDC2D01C6 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:12:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97BF2D01A1 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dyEG1j0010x6nqcA2093aV; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:09:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id e0911j00S4L5TyG8Y092w4; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:09:03 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: tom white In-Reply-To: References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:09:01 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a blasting hood/helmet for blasting outside if you're interested. Only used twice. Ten bucks plus shipping and you too can be gasping for air. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:49 AM, tom white wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? > Has anyone > done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. > > Best regards, > > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 18:12:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676E12D01C9 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:12:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177592D01B8 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 518EE585B53 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <926E7D25368D4CFFAAFC80176573C4EA@valued9cfc0b6f> From: "davewillner" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: 518EE585B53.A2307 X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1343952853.82049@re5eTR7wqcXV+EbWy8iAGQ X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] RadioMobile hook up question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Been around the block and tried everything I can to get my new RadioMobile 1070x to fire up in the TR3, has an MP3 lead too. Anyone have any thoughts on the best way to connect. I ran the hot lead to both the A1 terminal on the control box as the instructions state and then tried to one the fuse box terminals, no luck? The polarity is set on positive... all the connections and fuses are good... Is there an easy way to test this "restored to new" unit? Appreciate it Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS Sometimes its better to travel than to arrive... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 18:44:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945F92D01BE for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:44:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD892D01B8 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8ba55.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.186.85]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M7N00CKZ3I2P020@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:47:50 -0400 From: George Richardson In-reply-to: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <500DF0B6.2040708@key-men.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120723-1, 07/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got a blast cabinet on special from Harbor Freight for about $170 with a coupon and a sale. Great deal, but hard to assemble by yourself. I've also got a small gun I use for fine stuff, as well as an independent gun I can haul where I need it. Sometimes there's no other way than being able to do it yourself. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 7/23/2012 9:49 AM, tom white wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone > done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. > > Best regards, > > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 19:30:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8422D017C for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:30:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3902D01A7 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IuCcgcDg c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=td6ebPFe_c8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=--CyOcSs_hc1SJsXubEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:21869] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 15/B1-17657-84AFD005; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:28:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'davewillner'" , References: <926E7D25368D4CFFAAFC80176573C4EA@valued9cfc0b6f> In-Reply-To: <926E7D25368D4CFFAAFC80176573C4EA@valued9cfc0b6f> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:28:25 -0700 Message-ID: <06ce01cd693b$9f6efb50$de4cf1f0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1pMWTa0aHn8f4iSqCLPkaI2lg28wACbLZw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] RadioMobile hook up question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like time to contact whoever sold you the unit. A 1070X did not originally have a USB input, so what you have is a 1070X case that has been converted with modern electronics. The polarity switch may or may not be functional. I did a quick Google and found one firm doing the conversion who say you have to specify polarity up front (presumably meaning the switch does nothing after the conversion). Either A1 or any fuse block terminal should do as a source of power. But I would want to use one of the 'green' terminals on the fuse block, so the radio goes off with the ignition switch. A1 is hot all the time. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 23 20:48:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25DC2D0201 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:48:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E842D0198 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:45:13 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=khLdV7GZn0KuBC1kMuV43SslYKZrYU/ESN0vtF6Q/rAyFuKaJpkOqmhgA9Nvz6cL; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.37.144.68] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1StV9j-0001hB-LR; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:47:27 -0400 Message-ID: <4194197C45374FC0B12184922B2C377A@Shemp> From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "tom white" , References: <1df37.32bdc3bf.3d3e9454@cs.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:47:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-ELNK-Trace: 528c356ac306a91c1da3787d14811d2a4d2b10475b571120ba1c2eec1d71110f805d400195befc1a396bf6a0aafa7dc0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.37.144.68 Subject: Re: [TR] Media blasting? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, The only advice I would add to other the excellent posts is to also shop Tractor Supply if you decide to get one of the cheap home cabinets. Same stuff as Harbor Freight but when I bought one, it was cheaper and shipped to my home for free. Media is cheaper at Tractor Supply too. I had the TR4A's frame sandblasted, and the tub and panels cleaned by a guy who uses plastic media. I wouldn't try these at home unless you live on a farm, have a LOT of time and a really cheap source of appropriate media. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: tom white Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:49 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Media blasting? Hi List, Does anyone know of any do it yourself media blasting equipment? Has anyone done any DIY media blasting? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 24 03:17:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FA02D01FC for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:17:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 294072D01B3 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm25.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 08:41:35 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.133] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 08:41:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 08:41:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 129969.53924.bm@omp1038.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 50106 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2012 08:41:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1343119295; bh=5HWC/mxUHj9emILeIFQWeQKaZV7Am6YJX19JiUr65Vk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j9VUUfnzMmBIEN1WvmdWJ+rzt3z9SE2XDLbiHcQOwjrX4Bv4PCbI83qvZIoP6Fkctj+sU3SdYOXFqmPew9FcjVy0ADgYPF+sJYfQur0hcchUp5eBBXVB6hQSy4RaAA3HqPKSwkdEujRaWGSqIiPtkRCFTULo/rJ2MKW+41BvYEA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FCv4Ca3qHCGSERCEYfErST5qmfKhY4v9ny1AQfIrWyTHhrXL1ZsJSnDLzYmmHBxffvIY1LK8UbS/ZemxjZ1Aj6+dzEeRVVYGpoOCK524jubJqfMQE/KnS9C/dm2SQcancFK2N17NXLGoC3lNrDEfPUFaGYiGxJ1cPs6IxbCRhxA=; X-YMail-OSG: uIVp6YMVM1lySibveHgzZZR0sV1sGoCPn0PnUfLx5GXvEsm EiEMCDnyhXTfK9dwGrWL0WRaqXMbuZSvOBs0OO6Gt.OXN7oAQ7p6wF.ywxge ZU.QQnRUEwVQdGm3AegzR9nzaOoMWIZ9uJ6Gy2UfvpYQ9qXyM_LsRISM1Cg5 MGeYjHWQqaxebJSuyLMG.PIiczqulP9TQO..yGq1C5.s0u9VYW2xfcBKu3tZ 7v.JWxuJL9xc7rnxjwLsadv0wQnjYRjWBXpGDfN0URzqBMlqSQUJTSOZbQAQ ElURKm_UbWI3T9uUPst_5Vfe8JPSCRtGGG9Mj_b0QxwvFbY58WzEaC3pRMGa Zy6055mgpJktak8SUkIX49UbbhjWYyHbkRr3uBANQ.Fce4mPqM_Z1Pj262_p _QiU1NBjNmnvpKW0aFtoaRFVEa9Y8_2h5ixboMskH0ZwNL2AlYFH1SqCHqtj fGaOp.uybQthqE1fj.pj3w_MqlL6bY4olya.q3m5xP8W1fxuytqD1NuSdjsW w1KcXk._f Received: from [90.199.100.164] by web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:41:34 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <926E7D25368D4CFFAAFC80176573C4EA@valued9cfc0b6f> Message-ID: <1343119294.49951.YahooMailNeo@web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:41:34 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: davewillner , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <926E7D25368D4CFFAAFC80176573C4EA@valued9cfc0b6f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] RadioMobile hook up question X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Macartney List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Sounds as though you haven't earthed (grounded) the unit itself. I'd also be inclined to take your supply from the fusebox rather than the A1. Being a 1070, you'll only get AM transmissions on the medium waveband. Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: davewillner >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012, 1:14 >Subject: [TR] RadioMobile hook up question > >Been around the block and tried everything I can to get my new RadioMobile >1070x to fire up in the TR3, has an MP3 lead too. Anyone have any thoughts on >the best way to connect. I ran the hot lead to both the A1 terminal on the >control box as the instructions state and then tried to one the fuse box >terminals, no luck? The polarity is set on positive... all the connections and >fuses are good... Is there an easy way to test this "restored to new" unit? >Appreciate it > >Dave Willner >Stroudsburg PA >59 TR3A >70 MGB >70 BSA 441 VS >Sometimes its better to travel than to arrive... > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 09:28:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEFB2D0383 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:28:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C72F62D033A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:13:53 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:13:53 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:13:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:13:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 409352.58518.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70195 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2012 15:13:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=WrulHrfnQk/Q6w3QI4sbxxN9YmjDebAcKK0AOsjFcQqjyTwfdKu9xbmPCvJqVyBbJPhgCGnAkuPb2kE7VFGzrB7rSHFxFJkAXC1ccQAavPV7A3LfwULCzRl5yBqJ6GL46fb5zhmHMPrzwVKJDmGwljSqx3NEaktA+W+BB2VFDbE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1343229233; bh=ZYW2gLYpn2QLNT19l/jx467BGdVfLp3Id84xrj3v3HQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=h5UyAwS3ZIN83D1myIDK3id+zSSwiav1qHnVXIWNCYCTyOA6s55h6viwnzEhawA1c1nahXjHkdw61++0KhOR1snl7YrFAsgAq1LShlnLRyypBX9k8/d3C9muZBSQpBZP7K3NE2kql0S7GonfXypdjfdMN0/r3ubdF+lAdB3lMEM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: NajmGfIVM1khWmv9CsB4OJF.yD2zyavR4Ybl58lL5_4VuZS xj8j698b_zgD88tBnhL_vYrAfnkPRRf_8REzQ.bzR.X49MzLfBFX2NPqA6fv Dksv7Q6XcKu_nfrXk.RrehE.6eo0U77jPKKa9WZvpxdPyTpNCmJn6HiqTq.D 1HQ0xF02HSKd7bu9XAhAiqdZdZKldpZKhVjNeJh_pPBHkwTmo4IujcjGY2IP CZuKqdFw52.a2XIZc5sTYmnaPG6H.ashvNK1YMwsPuFGO9ZFcBZ7bZEJrQEZ J61ovfkfcMXjIcY9GvPOkgVtcar7.NgQG6XCOSywO_wAig4DCFLNE4A0tg13 OnmQFYilxYdi0ybB7hZuqEtni7s6BJzZk0MOLLN9ClihkQV975dSuRHBSKiM 5IphcnNyitMT2AjLwlgo8siLKRVsg_fznleYUY5OjLMHusQKjwyj5lgKRFNi xy4XOFb5AKyrKOYbZ.x2O.NLG_t5btze7k5oW9LpvXvOh0Kk0OIR7aUKKv9y wnWWbwCigZRCawUFbvnJwRQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2012 08:13:52 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: <2F637A104E4647F28423764CC0EBE052@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1qeAfKndQxY3u6SiGeGpg7nDMncA== Subject: [TR] Frozen bushings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the later productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? I hope not because they are definitely smaller than the replacements from TRF. Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I would be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft itself. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 09:57:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740B22D03B5 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:57:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B8B552D03B2 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:59:34 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.245] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:59:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:59:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 114602.12552.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80039 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2012 15:59:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343231973; bh=jlqid0f3qr9w2iS1hzOIGNW/GJUhwQQEpiE7qe/T0fM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t3XHhXz4M9cjPBTzQ0RjA80Q3j6aoCY1JgdVrGFLQb+EExH+k3G6cRhZP8FF7CA3/9lKk6KPH8aoCUfozRkJ0wsGDNoAxjb2pgMJJEtAeVoVmvM2nI/NrV7C/Yd/7W3JOqFjNSlf/nZBku3qxielGPIfdtuT1LBJUplilQAFzh4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RuMTklwmTbpiNt6/QdM6IICBb5rJQCHeJD0i8gPdDaN+N/x9MzSDen/c0wI5x84fRizgEuCfEnq+zZZsEXqqEKKgupwnfUmO7K1YLpwt0+TZ9ou/qAXR2azHNitttW+hpjFMSqxPT9yJmP70wI5TUFV0QKTH9ChKwlKkLFLYVW0=; X-YMail-OSG: iRt.fUgVM1mXVZoed_Llsr8DHTN8gC1lS5yzeKCEJ7SFzDL fIs8_BIHoVpTecgNUFvG6atsYd3ymg8QIEY0mVSYUGo8bjCJP6cjFTJA8FMw TIWWyNoKKizKFpTYtee_yIZjpnQPE_6IPLcUYMRZ4ReX2.uCDZko8pOyexy. 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Frank ________________________________ From: Wbeech To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [TR] Frozen bushings I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the later productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? I hope not because they are definitely smaller than the replacements from TRF. Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I would be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft itself. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 10:23:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22982D0272 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:23:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C5A1A2D024A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:24:25 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.108] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:24:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:24:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 971804.32734.bm@omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 50811 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2012 16:24:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=kyd9AitTwc2NSbkE6nXWCFdH27ycaKP8jxSt+AFjnCHzd8OHyD6gqAuNg70gxUXXIZKuwezoTmDrGeS2+UGAJW9pQ3HS+83MBeYk8YG6I8bz5wHcyMASkEHIiW23pSNNRVs2EhoEXHlGxXPrml+azdaBkyExRazoFS8+7Ey5nQs= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1343233464; bh=3CaoQg7enPFxNFgBLH5ZkOcOoozC692Hy6PTk0flvqs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=FChuA9T6sXybF/AZRiN3Wkt51Nvk08pR5cCeLLw8nra7ZyjaQuACN5STicslzAG5+zkwZEYa2VSBGOSwE4WAHTKrJB91n4Zq3L7ksVKxWkrlJqfOXeYmB8TKqtmS53u7zSbGzadg4RsjZaJgpCnkyEmJ3rEzbcss0F3JIj4ZP8k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: feZZRgYVM1k4SfaDGdcGzfkUtWkg8rwfCUKIxqVKpP92LBJ 4a2zQIbG3H6rNL9ZXyxoQWxmvIvVBLGD2BxDpA7GUnN9d0sDLqu0UkLw8G.J wobNmSYcuUOr7XiHsvt8A85jERTWagXytZ3RJ8oncGQjdbuXitOVc1pHr61x EVI5eYK8HhzNgFKk1.qbrTr5fW_H0QCMPsj1c5uVjK3ddhZel05.5W.zltFj imGl38vgbRz_qiwlTAgLwnGmK1SOjmDOBSU8GlOj29GM_JDYm5UfNFXZjHod 3q.Kng1oJkw8PYK1t5H0V8EfwKLdB0NlBykDPVcGq8chN.igFOB2ojC_F3P2 tPVtByliOdKxTCsiiIQBukx8zxavb5sm74cklzPJtvNln4DaJQ39BE7fONXE DzSeRh1WYIdhim9QWea.l9W098nDu8Otr_gwrHpICp2yy_QtgoFfjpk3MtSP qjrR5jh7qwNcqaQh76sIvMDSPh9760NtaGgqFDPXiAcYqGr1y2UOS6T1r3fa Fl8KIBpeduAJ1yEMXfwPXzz15xycCXkdtEsyqrbO6qK8B4j1WjWdARPPpy4o BbFJk2jscbIYix69E X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2012 09:24:24 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , References: <2F637A104E4647F28423764CC0EBE052@bboffice> <1343231973.73727.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1343231973.73727.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1qfn0MtE1MUTFERUuqQsitBDZt0QAAt2kg X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Frozen bushings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Called David at TRF, he said the same thing, great minds think alike. I used the Dremel and sliced it back as far as I could, then with the chisel from the end I could open it up enough for some WD40 to make its way in and after that it was easy going. Broke 1 cutoff wheel per bushing, but it was worth it. Thanks, Bill _____ From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:00 AM To: Wbeech; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Frozen bushings i would start with a dremmell cutting wheel. id start at the outside and cut through the bushing for about 1/4" to 3/8" long. if you catch the base metal under them i don't think it will be the end of the world.sand it smooth later. i would then try to "peal" it off . Frank From: Wbeech To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [TR] Frozen bushings I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the later productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? I hope not because they are definitely smaller than the replacements from TRF. Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I would be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft itself. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 10:55:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128BA2D0383 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:55:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BBD812D03B9 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.165] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 16:57:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 820830.24191.bm@omp1066.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55558 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2012 16:57:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343235429; bh=CYJcbHtrpCKgNg4N+Hd/0l+v3VgvxS2uyYPMago4XZM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VihPTXYrOutIvMfYR1/F15XE3T0QweB7+jPLMIL95rmGR6oUZTPbaz7ofUsH0JdzraAFP/UUsQ7+Ez4iXC/VMEzR5SaEL+OygkQWh5oR5WOZAXsxn07+Kjov7tF8dSlCjvXbSMT1+aEsWdlMRGaJCOP0ntcT6pdTSBw52Avsiqg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W+8jSZOrSHDN9sKmJ1KzuGmrlvXsiz562dD69ZlU/SybJOztFjUyFpk9+61MQxgiVeRavQBBU2wHv+pLmQOYXYzf9hcddUpHCanrEI+xEUOAW6Mc6dBPi4AmPBgeI8F+YocuFztHmfKmOC5E480A0aiLpIO+CX+Nn2pEjoFv8mg=; X-YMail-OSG: GbgyuL0VM1l8coshT0YHlojLnriJAKiW8Y0JXLwIFct_u.y imSkCCAmh2GOfLPEYRC03aF52n3GyGmIyCSqscP5Qxre9G.YB4PBisEqgDEO T6pb5t7G3Qhw5QZCvtTvRJGAlg9RtCgDjsEcPgsTrdLjZuQL3etsn0eqtzlu 7jIrp2yhZe4lkrTPja0q161l66QctmugWglON3OarI_pxueAkZ.WaubZQWoc GIB72ZvHTptJvH0LOz9H4GOZ.CA75tNVt4FWzjsSI8bCkYchs72_2V3f38Fr IOxBlCYbZKFZRIq4QoxIoGI2EY27H01Nb7LBxQXVxMwwOINgOhdza9_u8htH iyPNEaE_kAd3iXxPmVGC1EPlzP4yN2wKJqLLU_e5E9WsDa3HicwNq8DmYnEJ kVjeNG1RX2wW7UaezyvrjR8RnLfh.3eIxM8FpePyUMjsFnq0793XxEfjGtHS 3DBJqUuDr2D6VjpXlOkoGsaoqzcYxb0a3MNOvy0vPNvOa7683l14GB2qArv8 pgRno3yAfXNcUC.npyuquVfVfEICSbn4xl_kOkh42MivDJt_2Eg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:57:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <2F637A104E4647F28423764CC0EBE052@bboffice> <1343231973.73727.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343235429.54221.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:57:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Wbeech , "triumphs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Frozen bushings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Laughing my ...... not sure about that great minds in my case. ________________________________ From: Wbeech To: 'Frank Fisher' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: RE: [TR] Frozen bushings Called David at TRF, he said the same thing, great minds think alike. I used the Dremel and sliced it back as far as I could, then with the chisel from the end I could open it up enough for some WD40 to make its way in and after that it was easy going. Broke 1 cutoff wheel per bushing, but it was worth it. Thanks, Bill ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:00 AM To: Wbeech; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Frozen bushings i would start with a dremmell cutting wheel. id start at the outside and cut through the bushing for about 1/4" to 3/8" long. if you catch the base metal under them i don't think it will be the end of the world.sand it smooth later. i would then try to "peal" it off . Frank ________________________________ From: Wbeech To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [TR] Frozen bushings I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the later productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? I hope not because they are definitely smaller than the replacements from TRF. Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I would be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft itself. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 12:16:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2AA2D03B5 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:16:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746CA2D03B1 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6PIIN8R006107 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:18:23 -0400 Received: from core-dbc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.198]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3A3D9E00008D for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:18:23 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Carl Sereda X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36779-STANDARD Received: from 99.31.233.180 by webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:18:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF38A902ABEB49-1340-C05C@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [99.31.233.180] Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:18:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343240303; bh=KCAe4S9OiP+hV/a6/vPz5wI/6uUd/PLScXvvLbxPo0k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ln0Bybso1xyUiSX5VROfJM+r/FiiPjQ1hxodt7Lpy4zlZDR9uH+V4Pj3Oh3avi52/ d0E0FqRcqMOCM89WNZMlPWwYlAOa3t+zRcr5dT7DUBPY1TWDE1wrZYkkx1/LGEzAei ZP5tM1x7ZcKLWe/D2oF5uJWEwRgg/QPfW+W/+5t0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474663136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5010386f4c26 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 311 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, On my TR4, I heated the bushing with a propane torch then took an ice cube and jambed it on the bolt's exposed end (to cool and shrink it) thereby (in theory at least) the bush was expanded more than the iced-down bolt, then I twisted the bush off with vice-grips. Took a lot of sweat and grunting - plus generous amounts of PB Blaster in between - but got all four bushes off without damage to the bolts.. Good Luck, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the later productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? I hope not because they are definitely smaller than the replacements from TRF. Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I would be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft itself. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 13:30:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95152D0375 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:30:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8B72D0367 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:22:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.4]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6PJP87N019475; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:25:08 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id ADB87E000091; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:25:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:25:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3BCB5135-7268-4FF2-AB3D-F9704FBC3B60@aol.com> To: wbeech@flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343244308; bh=FBxtCX6oS2Rp//BlLXPJ196KFuzsYgLPDB8QuVtnN74=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=oy/9mLqkk9JRIOtxgI7QxPFFO8HQle3JUp/eXu1Fy7wipIJgOmQF0gVo8lAYjTfIu 4bYd5tHFj60YhKcZW+i685EN123N48z9L/+e58fxmI/0zbNFGE113HmqcYZ3qqspek tJQjlKlOSmdHaffvzNepISTwZBIY8MGDnqeHf3tI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:350413152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2904501048137cb7 X-AOL-IP: 72.213.139.102 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Frozen Bushings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. Any suggestions? If you have access to an air hammer/chisel use the attachment with a fork on the end of the chisel, put it on the piece you are trying to remove (I think it is the steel sleeve on the front pegs of the lower a-arms?), and from the inside out, drive the sleeve off of the peg. It works well for me. I have beat my hands to death with a chisel before and this way is WAY easier. Be sure to wear ear plugs as it makes a heck of a racket when driving them off. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 22:42:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992452D03BE for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:42:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E302D04FC for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.19] helo=mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout14.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SuE6Q-0000aZ-3Q for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:47:02 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SuE6Q-0001cX-4E; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:47:02 -0400 Received: from webmail08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.8]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id eqn11j00Q0ASE2q01qn1fa; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:47:01 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=I97ntacg c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=zUfupTM5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=l_036UOrj7UrugitXCcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=7h2F2BjDq9+/f7diu5YjrQ==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.16.8 X-EN-IMPSID: eqn11j00Q0ASE2q01qn1fa Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SuE5t-0002x5-3s; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:46:29 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <6afd6d5309bd6a6558fdb8c2d4db2b9c.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> In-Reply-To: <2F637A104E4647F28423764CC0EBE052@bboffice> References: <2F637A104E4647F28423764CC0EBE052@bboffice> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:46:29 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Wbeech" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Frozen bushings X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I went through this just last month. The steel bushings are hardened but most definately a separate part. I used a cut off wheel (many wheels) to cut almost through the top and bottom of the bushings. A cold chisel and hammer was used to finish removal by getting the bushings to crack along the cut line. Very slow and most agrevating. Greg G. Osseo, MN > I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the ones > on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to grind a notch > for better traction for the cold chisel. > > None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the > later > productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? I hope not > because they are definitely smaller than the replacements from TRF. > > Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I > would > be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft itself. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too > slow" > M.Andretti > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 25 22:43:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C7F2D03D2 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:43:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F592D02BD for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8E72E090 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5010B757.4050406@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:19:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] What fun X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like another round of network problems here in Team.Net land. Mail may be SLOW. 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Now on to adding some re-inforcements to the frame before we go to the shop for some final tweaking to get it back in line. Thanks to all for your suggestions, Bill -----Original Message----- From: greg@gelhar.com [mailto:greg@gelhar.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:46 PM To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Frozen bushings I went through this just last month. The steel bushings are hardened but most definately a separate part. I used a cut off wheel (many wheels) to cut almost through the top and bottom of the bushings. A cold chisel and hammer was used to finish removal by getting the bushings to crack along the cut line. Very slow and most agrevating. Greg G. Osseo, MN > I have been 'heating-and-beating' on the lower wishbone bushings, the > ones on the frame, for the past two days. Even gone so far as to > grind a notch for better traction for the cold chisel. > > None of them will so much a budge. Is it at all possible that in the > later productions of the TR3B that these were permanently installed? > I hope not because they are definitely smaller than the replacements > from TRF. > > Not sure I can get in that close with a grinder to cut them off, and I > would be afraid of buggering up the permanently installed shaft > itself. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too > slow" > M.Andretti > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 26 10:42:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2BA2D0337 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78B02D0314 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:42:17 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=BhqSfkdDxO52Yh01wkiklR+X+t8cmp3DNVEae2GPTgr6fj1i4c+JM1xZoX75zLr4; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.21.129] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SuRAv-0003KU-6p for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <501173F4.9050906@rmi.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:44:36 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120508 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f00780414a916d32502f2cef073c678cf4d7de39667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Subject: [TR] Valve Adjustment X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have a question about valves going out of adjustment. Recently, I adjusted the valves on my Spitfire (two of the valves were way out of adjustment- too large of a gap). I then took it in to a shop as I could not get it to run quite right. I asked them to adjust the carbs as I thought that was the problem. Well in the process of dong that, he discovered that some of the valves were way out of adjustment. Okay I might have messed up some, but he said they were about .1. Now I was changing the oil and I wanted to check the rocker assembly as I thought perhaps it was loose and allowing the gap to get larger. All of the nuts were tight. But I looked at a couple of the valves and they are probably about .1 again. It looks like the adjusters on the valves that have the big gap don't have as much of the adjusting screw sticking out the top as the others. What could be causing my gap to increase so much? I recently put in new tappets that were tested for hardness. Thanks, Roger Elliott 1980 Spitfire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 26 11:09:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7D42D0338 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:09:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3838F2C0C97 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:01:50 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=r0F349nkeN/MxYazcJY9laAjqwfZ2X/HRioYmd+69mejc6rVaklOXEsiM47Kcopw; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.21.129] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SuRTq-0002A6-DA for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <50117889.7000903@rmi.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:04:09 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120508 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <501173F4.9050906@rmi.net> In-Reply-To: <501173F4.9050906@rmi.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f00780412448ac98983ff6bd2725122e923a76d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Subject: Re: [TR] Valve Adjustment X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I converted wrong the feeler gauge I had is only marked metric. It was .040. Roger On 07/26/2012 11:44 AM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question about valves going out of adjustment. > > Recently, I adjusted the valves on my Spitfire (two of the valves were > way out of adjustment- too large of a gap). I then took it in to a > shop as I could not get it to run quite right. I asked them to adjust > the carbs as I thought that was the problem. > > Well in the process of dong that, he discovered that some of the > valves were way out of adjustment. Okay I might have messed up some, > but he said they were about .1. > > Now I was changing the oil and I wanted to check the rocker assembly > as I thought perhaps it was loose and allowing the gap to get > larger. All of the nuts were tight. > > But I looked at a couple of the valves and they are probably about .1 > again. > > It looks like the adjusters on the valves that have the big gap don't > have as much of the adjusting screw sticking out the top as the others. > > > What could be causing my gap to increase so much? > > I recently put in new tappets that were tested for hardness. > > Thanks, > Roger Elliott > 1980 Spitfire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 26 11:55:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E311D2D0406 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:55:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46AB2D0338 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:48:33 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=GpmUKISlywpvf5SlJzdycD7OzN5NxfrnfpyfvJrtMtLEuYWKpZaKfV+YBs0cZzpR; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.21.129] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SuSD3-0001qE-8Q for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5011837C.4020305@rmi.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:50:52 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120508 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <501173F4.9050906@rmi.net> <50117889.7000903@rmi.net> In-Reply-To: <50117889.7000903@rmi.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f0078041791497f401c1067906345a8b1999e89c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Subject: Re: [TR] Valve Adjustment X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think I found the problem. The ball on the bottom of the valve adjusting screw is gone on one of the valves and noticeably worn on another. There may be additional problems, I am going to check the cam lift. But I'm thinking that the screws started wearing then the process accelerated. I will post a picture of the the adjusting screws later. Thanks, Roger On 07/26/2012 12:04 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > I converted wrong the feeler gauge I had is only marked metric. It > was .040. > > Roger > > On 07/26/2012 11:44 AM, Roger Elliott wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a question about valves going out of adjustment. >> >> Recently, I adjusted the valves on my Spitfire (two of the valves >> were way out of adjustment- too large of a gap). I then took it in >> to a shop as I could not get it to run quite right. I asked them to >> adjust the carbs as I thought that was the problem. >> >> Well in the process of dong that, he discovered that some of the >> valves were way out of adjustment. Okay I might have messed up some, >> but he said they were about .1. >> >> Now I was changing the oil and I wanted to check the rocker assembly >> as I thought perhaps it was loose and allowing the gap to get >> larger. All of the nuts were tight. >> >> But I looked at a couple of the valves and they are probably about .1 >> again. >> >> It looks like the adjusters on the valves that have the big gap don't >> have as much of the adjusting screw sticking out the top as the others. >> >> >> What could be causing my gap to increase so much? >> >> I recently put in new tappets that were tested for hardness. >> >> Thanks, >> Roger Elliott >> 1980 Spitfire >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 26 16:21:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAF22D0341 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:21:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C97A2D0325 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:12:06 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=bQXGRp4Ob+Qe1QsPUXXCDpGO8O5tX1ezzYJsx2uIDp5YspNpDOkpFrrU+CgepZTx; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-12l25c1.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.21.129] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SuWKD-0005VQ-UO for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <5011C149.3080700@rmi.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:14:33 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <501173F4.9050906@rmi.net> <50117889.7000903@rmi.net> <5011837C.4020305@rmi.net> In-Reply-To: <5011837C.4020305@rmi.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120726-2, 07/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f00780411c4d3e57594f6813fe8f291254ec98bd548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Subject: Re: [TR] Valve Adjustment X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is a link to the adjusting screws. http://www.kcallbritish.com/spitfire/adjustingscrew.html Roger On 7/26/2012 12:50 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > I think I found the problem. The ball on the bottom of the valve > adjusting screw is gone on one of the valves and noticeably worn on > another. > > There may be additional problems, I am going to check the cam lift. > > But I'm thinking that the screws started wearing then the process > accelerated. > > I will post a picture of the the adjusting screws later. > > Thanks, > > Roger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 26 19:29:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187B52D0330 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:29:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9067D2D0328 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so1769304wgb.20 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+JJhRJBMf8mXenaHBCalidm9x9cvoOKwHRa5R8cO8Vc=; b=Wbreuolll0j4R8j3ohSjN6wC1b+lAE2HQvmITo5+wPC3rAj17MyE69msQLwnEQElqi uyq9AFKvE3a/humTLN+uchD3pcWnhvwC1D+SsNzgNwchjkebebElDgPf3WpGc57pAQav Azkc6psxk0m96EFKyTl+Y7wr7unx9xlV+sURUzmCZo5RV1XLlNdyTqDg0VXsuVO/REOL DbQBECtxaoarXZZJUkg40h8hcI9xmwdZHJkagvKSHfOqOQOsQn24NdGUB3w+aiFOFW1u TZFxAFNjsFYGlYgatd9/cL13Ivjfv9mSB+0mOGTKHyq/p67SQSXIrzmC7YxFbTJxRpp1 JFCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.97.135 with SMTP id ea7mr17685779wib.11.1343352734705; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.13.72 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:32:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Rat rod tr6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm embarking on the tr6 Illudium Q-36 project. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 10:56:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783B2D0226 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:56:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFE22D0198 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:56:27 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=Cqp7L/NZ2gH4Lppqg6XvdUjRozgueZTGItHBCRhZ2bcafNxMd6zoRIS4SzMPplky; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.21.129] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SunsB-0001NO-GK for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: <5012C8C7.3030709@rmi.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:58:47 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120508 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net X-ELNK-Trace: 007d46394eab33d9f572e6f2f00780414018a14a8e2fc61d306a3467b642ae9f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.21.129 Subject: [TR] Oil and Rocker Arm Assembly and Adjusting screws X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, Is there an easy way to see if oil is getting all the way through the rocker arm assembly? It is currently off the car. Chris pointed out that part of my problem with the adjusting screws may be that they aren't getting lubed. It makes sense as it is they are on 1 and 2 valves. The furthest from the oil supply. Thanks everyone. Roger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 11:16:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7CD2D031E for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:16:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 190472D0197 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:16:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13474 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2012 17:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2012 17:18:52 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=63443 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SuoBf-0003IL-QO; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:18:51 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:18:47 -0500 To: Roger Elliott ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <5012C8C7.3030709@rmi.net> References: <5012C8C7.3030709@rmi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Identified-User: {10304:just64.justhost.com:tonydre1:tonydrews.com} {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Oil and Rocker Arm Assembly and Adjusting screws X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120727171631.8E7CD2D031E@autox.team.net> If the spit works anything like the TR-2/3/4, the rocker assembly is fed by the oil going to the rear cam bearing. If the cam bearings aren't installed properly, no oil comes up from the cam. In the TR-2/3/4 there's an external line that can be run from the block to the head to provide more flow. On the TR-4, that's where the problem would most likely be rather than in the rocker assembly itself. One way to check is to put the rocker assembly back on the car but leave the valve cover off. Start it up. If you coat the whole engine compartment with oil being flung off of the valve train you don't have an oil delivery problem. If things stay pretty dry, you do have a problem. I'm guessing that others have a better / less messy way to check... :) Tony Drews At 11:58 AM 7/27/2012, Roger Elliott wrote: >Hi all, > >Is there an easy way to see if oil is getting all the way through >the rocker arm assembly? It is currently off the car. > >Chris pointed out that part of my problem with the adjusting screws >may be that they aren't getting lubed. It makes sense as it is they >are on 1 and 2 valves. The furthest from the oil supply. > >Thanks everyone. > >Roger > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 11:59:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86982D02D5 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:59:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970F02D0188 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=T8O2AzjG6DcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=QaQWNlznsxVckZIos5kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:51999] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B4/F2-29356-CD6D2105; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <5012C8C7.3030709@rmi.net> <20120727171643.DC9AD2D0197@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120727171643.DC9AD2D0197@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: <0a4f01cd6c21$72051a30$560f4e90$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1sG/EwbCtd3RW6QQSerBFHRnfoCgAA/qnA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Oil and Rocker Arm Assembly and Adjusting screws X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > One way to check is to put the rocker assembly back on the car but > leave the valve cover off. Start it up. If you coat the whole > engine compartment with oil being flung off of the valve train I make that test often (every time I run the valves). On a stock TR2/3/4 engine, the oil just oozes out and makes very little if any mess (as long as the idle rpm is low). It takes a minute or two to even fill the rocker shaft (so the front rockers get lubed). I believe this is deliberate, the rear cam journal has a flat on it that is intended to act as a metering pump and limit the volume of oil sent to the rocker shaft. My opinion, the bypass that Tony mentioned puts way, way too much oil on top (for a street engine). As John "Twosheds" Herrera used to say, I have experimented with this. With the shaft off the engine, I would suggest disassembling the shaft to be sure that the passages are clear. Due to the slow oil movement, the bore through the shaft is a prime location for sludge to develop. Another option would be to simply send the whole thing off to Rocker Arm Specialists for rebuilding. If it has been run without enough oil long enough to destroy the adjusters like that, chances are that the shaft & rockers are severely worn as well. If you want, you can also remove the spark plugs and spin the engine with the starter until oil starts to ooze out from the passage that feeds the shaft. If you get anything at all, most likely the bearing is installed properly and everything is working as intended. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 12:02:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B702D0333 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:02:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D902E2D02CA for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=crdSFPfueyQuvAVAZXUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:52075] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 3D/84-13948-818D2105; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:04:08 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: <0a5101cd6c22$2e28b500$8a7a1f00$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1rl7cdNYGtFU7QROKjkEUJH6J7hAAimT4Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Rat rod tr6 X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm embarking on the tr6 Illudium Q-36 project. Where's the kaboom? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 15:18:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057952D02D8 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:18:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5622D029C for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W128 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.62.204.114] From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:23:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2012 19:23:17.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[46B3F7A0:01CD6C2D] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Picture Needed X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for a digital picture of Bob Harris, better yet Bob next to his car. Those of you who attend the TRF Summer Party know of Bob and his white spitfire. Bob had a stroke earlier this year and wont be attending this years summer party. I want to make up a get well card of sorts to bring to the summer party next week and get folks to sign it and I will then get it in Bob's hands. Please look through some of your summer party pictures and if you have a shot, email it to me if you can. Thanks, Marty Sukey trmarty@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 15:20:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFDF2D02CE for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:20:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F2C42D02AE for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2012 19:30:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2012 19:30:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2012 19:30:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 144308.24939.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3617 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2012 19:30:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1343417439; bh=3S+trmFPCzWltMSPWWPrHqAjfNHhCXQ3NOJt+HMjt6s=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=On9l4z5whaq2c2pn3mxUwOZq54ehHMs4UXGMrplyXkRNUlmyHRBMzdgdsiiRKXrZRy5JMrmAlC+cCw5FCc+cMFoLwtxlmVLRaOStzgaUslaQ5vkfFbjUSe+SN5EJDuJFK+jJ/jLaA7XcYdmtORy1eMoUXlNqE1aMuccKWSmiQqU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EZV_8pAVM1n4VLA8IBEC0WZdq_Nj2Blpztf0hpuPmHxzlJA D.nMba9xw3caeahY1xwOgWPsXNqrEPK_Pzq87jggIgjHzgiM124k_gW_QaGf 512JoRZSUm5AYd5m9.a7NZLiHTMF3dozg9HX.JCF5_7kZsGZQ8sANAc0ZaIH 8kW6ORIrfwapkdCiiBSTNeNRVq2mDbYRYjjMvIUbIAUIJpmFQXM8LNJL.m.O wbo8E9OyIRWC9Wu9Ad8x.0LTG.ZJYvExjTbv_y16HzL.HLX2.tnMAqEZkBNP 0OYkC6p6A.2C6EFpxT5Ax5KHQ3b538bHNi5Ea3KXtosDRet_O4v676UNlLLc sRO4C5X9XzkZyCItad3M9.67oj7FBeuHkwcqEGsVgwqR1VQ6znRCwxirrab1 HSr5UYbP4fRJWICU5uNuqpe7M35rB0K1QMpXDkF_8heT1wzmM59mJld5Ca8q yl2.4nH3.7dzl5MeV3aLH9Fl2YVakSYyVm.CdFKPvMvGBXEjrT58XxMgxa8U kXDXd1gmcbgX2k4kME4H4.PO8WwTqIgJi X-Yahoo-SMTP: PYcW0q.swBA6AWX4qqt.Obiv1MByZ4cLLWa_f53dXw-- Received: from [192.168.2.2] (hdrider570@75.36.244.181 with plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2012 12:30:39 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <5012EC5B.2030802@att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:30:35 -0700 From: "hdrider570@att.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] http://www.1077thebone.com/Default.aspx X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you are just worried about the shaft and rockers you can use brake clean with the red tube installed to shoot cleaner through the shaft. Moving the rockers to align the hole in the rocker with the hole in the shaft will allow cleaner to seep out of the rocker arm. You can check each rocker arm individually that way. Edward Hamer petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 17:22:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDAA2D030B for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:22:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B1E2D02E1 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id TbE6ivSlR22x8Syu for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:15:43 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:15:42 -0700 Thread-Topic: TR6 clutch problem Thread-Index: Ac1sTb46wgSs52yXRKCX8VvrDqnvUg== Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3755@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at dataresolution.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We are trying to help a customer diagnose a problem. He just had his clutch replaced. Had a Borg & Beck assembly replaced with a Borg & Beck pressure plate, disc, and RHP release bearing. Also had to replace the t/o bearing sleeve because it had a Green Bearing one piece release bearing and sleeve unit. Used one of the new phosphor-bronze sleeves with copper based lubricant as recommended. The fork was fine. Also replaced the pilot bushing. Symptoms: After the first approx 100 miles a squeal developed that sounded like the t/o bearing. Squeal when lay foot on pedal, silent when pushed, very slight when no pressure at all. Then after another 100 miles or so the real problem developed. When the pedal is released it feels rough along the entire length of travel. To the point that it makes it difficult in traffic because it often seems to hang up at the very end of travel so sometimes it is difficult to just let the clutch out slowly. It only occurs when the engine is running. When you sit in the car, engine idling, and press the pedal you can feel the roughness. If you work the pedal when the engine is running, then shut the engine off, as soon as the engine stops the pedal feels smooth. Someone suggested the clutch master is hanging up, but that would occur all the time, engine running or not. Thoughts? Please... Peter Arakelian ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 18:25:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7461E2D0308 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:25:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA6C2D02D9 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:19:47 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ctzttfxoOift10h8AFgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:55145] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id A1/10-29356-5B033105; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:22:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Pete Arakelian'" , References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3755@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3755@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0abd01cd6c56$ff264da0$fd72e8e0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1sTb46wgSs52yXRKCX8VvrDqnvUgACCRMA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Thoughts? Please... Sounds like a bad TOB to me. The heat from the bad bearing has likely damaged the carrier and/or front cover as well. Last time I went through that set of symptoms, the carrier eventually seized entirely to the front cover and had to be cut off (after limping home in rush hour traffic with a clutch that wouldn't release). The bearing may have been bad off the shelf, or it may have been damaged during installation. The design is less than wonderful in that regard, there is no way to press the inner race onto the sleeve without pushing against the bearing. I've been told that even improper storage can lead to problems, but I'm not sure I believe that. There's a good article on the Buckeye Triumphs site ("Reliable Clutch") that talks about some other things to look for, after it's apart. Sorry, Peter, I'd love to say it was just a hydraulic problem, but I don't think so. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 27 20:46:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336482D02EC for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:46:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9BA2D02DA for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:40:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=IOWA+3TG c=1 sm=0 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=SwkKIPVmNzbZcNMOEgwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gyUl2z4khcIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.244 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:49794] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 96/0A-02978-3A153105; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 02:42:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Randall" , "'Pete Arakelian'" , References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3755@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <0abd01cd6c56$ff264da0$fd72e8e0$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <0abd01cd6c56$ff264da0$fd72e8e0$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:42:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Randall, and Pete, the hydraulic system doesn't care if the drivetrain is spinning, the T/O bearing does. It sounds like a pull the tranny again problem, unfortunately. Only other possibility is the bearing is not aligned or moving smoothly, this does not seem likely, but in any event sounds like a pull the tranny issue, certainly test hydraulic action as best you can though before taking the more drastic action. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Pete Arakelian'" ; Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch problem >> Thoughts? Please... > > Sounds like a bad TOB to me. The heat from the bad bearing has likely > damaged the carrier and/or front cover as well. Last time I went through > that set of symptoms, the carrier eventually seized entirely to the front > cover and had to be cut off (after limping home in rush hour traffic with > a > clutch that wouldn't release). > > The bearing may have been bad off the shelf, or it may have been damaged > during installation. The design is less than wonderful in that regard, > there is no way to press the inner race onto the sleeve without pushing > against the bearing. > > I've been told that even improper storage can lead to problems, but I'm > not > sure I believe that. > > There's a good article on the Buckeye Triumphs site ("Reliable Clutch") > that > talks about some other things to look for, after it's apart. > > Sorry, Peter, I'd love to say it was just a hydraulic problem, but I don't > think so. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 09:14:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AAF2D032C for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:14:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E6302D017D for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.79] by nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 15:15:18 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by tm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 15:15:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.121] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 15:15:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 15:15:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 562941.47545.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67768 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2012 15:15:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1343488518; bh=4ccerrVrxS273LursFQz5f7KoBznSE3Rm2IRDPEo2PE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jU0uFKRA5Kax0IHNLPyATQX5MuZAFvK7ewHgkbmoBin82rBGxsEbxBQxLAJnYxIaPjQzDAWnhW2Sliv/MhXuEH8GwVDKvuiqiycuENV/NjCMCChD6bQv3uT/lrVNs9+abUfYjAWdzbDTb046kolVszRvTZL5Hk5sIBATSWCs0no= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rkUTBIB5CfpTT4DxLOufLGrg8NBL0d5csI43voAlJLw0sj1edSFi99fHNfF+xcFIaX9UOgwefS1it3Cjg6ppCw0RkCXS68YOIYYuIr9TZTb3JDcskpM/VffG1PFUsBzB27QhmbcVJAh6Ocg+Wx05XjV0jLfFF8b87SLmYj6Udwo=; X-YMail-OSG: 5cLFHcoVM1lnKGt_zeKlDf8buM7AAv9DvUzsD1b68GFUi6s gJ6n5Zl5Yz8C4nuH3cR2hna5paZGEYwkS2l_9d6_cG5xI8.mdELB6VzE6pK1 4iYW3qhA2FTmeRcymnB.eFi4rLB1j5gPxP4zbWGj0QmjBzPv6OMeygFAN4Kw o0y1cq7OaxBpTMLLgQ2PQNFOJK.lX5JJXIAAkwjYnnEnfpQ0.21ICn9XOyqG KmpVMTuGfBCf8f5x_C0tD0yYiITBHUqBmzrB73Pieo_pVgN2e1iVMdobvUCG j6LZPJumORsSA7T4IIQFpeayhMeeBAn.2tA9QqU4mGg6FuQwz798wanIecBs qPNM4AEi0dgXUYQZ.v7NzpsK1WQ.7PROxSHZAJrV2l88GSsc5ipLrnwZ3WVk 2lYQjfHdHMOfeEQBRntXYP3GYnCbyx8EzQk5SAwbiqYiE7JUffqptheKzLu6 xPUAz Received: from [108.220.112.213] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:15:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343488517.54058.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:15:17 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] Clutch Slave Return Spring X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: William Brewer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am having a rough time with clutch return springs. The old spring broke when I was taking it off to rebuild the clutch slave. It broke "in the spring". I ordered two new ones from Moss so I would have a spare. This morning I went to put the new spring in and it broke at the 90 on the spring straight part. I was holding it on the the long straight part at the 90 when it happened. No problem, I thought - I have a spare. When putting the second try on the little hook didn't get in the hole. I was trying to work/walk it in with a screwdriver and then it broke as well. Time to order some more springs and re-think things. So much for motoring about this weekend. Is there something I am missing on installing the spring? Is there an easier way to do it? I am holding the long straight part up to the 90 and stretching it out to get it in. I have done it many times before without issue. The spring has broke by itself a couple of times over the last 20 years. What the heck? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 09:59:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109182D0347 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:59:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1472D0332 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6SG0PPs000783; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:00:25 -0400 Received: from core-doc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.193]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1412BE00008B; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Message-ID: <16841.3cd397f3.3d456697@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:00:23 -0400 (EDT) To: arakelianp@mossmotors.com, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5002 X-Originating-IP: [71.175.26.192] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343491224; bh=PppDoPYL2Kk9qQdbYK1W7nFoCnAgDMLtjVZBmjMTXV4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D2TSGStnSrQg/u/xAAkhMiPdSoE4sjs8ASTmKtelRfu1fV86fBo8Ur+t6mzzGH1Jo YbpT1aHjdTBfL2rE+N2JQShnQ760gnffuMBbG7CHwr5Nt/SwwtjjNwMf5j2gWDn5IY VdZESx0KJAgU2rubdpPDnFHHi/jW9M7/RMqvONRc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448196672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50140c980dd3 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, Sorry, but I think you have a TOB carrier problem....I agree with Randall's assessment. It happened with my TR6 after restoration....almost the same exact story and timelines as you've experienced. We had to remove the transmission and fit another bearing with sleeve but this time we really examined how the bearing moved before we put everything back together.....follow Randall's suggestion to visit the Buckeye Triumph's website for their help link. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 7/27/2012 7:25:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, arakelianp@mossmotors.com writes: When the pedal is released it feels rough along the entire length of travel. To the point that it makes it difficult in traffic because it often seems to hang up at the very end of travel so sometimes it is difficult to just let the clutch out slowly. It only occurs when the engine is running. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 11:01:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C272D0314 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:01:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B7CC2D019E for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 16:54:05 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 16:54:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 16:54:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2012 16:54:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 35416.66167.bm@omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67683 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2012 16:54:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=EQ3yDSxRXzP9s7qZZfgX6glL5MEnEK1JlMKwnXML4WRtNtbe2cMqq34tniJrWkFeLHxYZl4iJYYLNtX3MqTmjxV/Lzf/uDg9gKKVed8Z3Q71wJk4d3TcE9Ki75srUz8lV5MOhSdPy0c/qgoPhimn4gRREK0ZOd7bt6PzhWZvFis= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1343494444; bh=D8lf265rjelXWX1mgExcA3cxVwPagncgPlo5cr2tQ9c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=bh/3JgxRhMCdY9iPy4X6mlvdKW35RuhtdaITPfKFRAzHEKl6ptfmT4NgF+SaUgelgVtD/fzVOU3QZoPl2HM8FhyG6/gtnqB7ulyvv5Pdd06xriYTt8LV/hg64qQiUEtDDXMB/OGtLoLnNk43sMBdEYirrzcDB9UCy/UJ3rSz/Qw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3nC9gmAVM1k.mrWGsEVYsVjIrv12JYEs.dBLyblxUMK7SF_ TKAyy7V_YoIicKih.Fmn1jX.xJqyaI3NEo87F3mymCGdFj2DuPxh9jzm2lvy 2YeSTg0oejjC8nhQY.mNnx54jEcUQekCr2N_hBE77MA3LaYAdBrAQVSqPDxP YwN6pRYk1y1e8vOVNpdnAV.qhbF3_YEKuwsNJ5bbCz4uNHzqqbgNMhEvWdDC LcjNvggL6ct5AT1nkT0deVOAcTFxcoNUb3bg3vpOEw9M1jWGyrbGTxbVw7VF Z.1EBgH0fxzh8rPEefhekkCSlvD36uOgN_IrtMPNr9aeNhg2UHBFpix2..Mp PAm4qSt_5y7e2d68Fd9QrOBP.764aY7wRWWv3EOanZuQqCb4HiKGBiOJyc5u evExEe75v4M_M7H8Qww3CMoxUTli2Z5auW1YxXnQhMKv2kqs_czcRpjwI2_d 1HdLBdbB31OxfSjJP6qoVqLj2X10soH72BDnbPVmU8G.te4lT7yIOFOGFOGk xEzew77q.I87Q5lasGQBpwkAtORaJ8T9L29wqWXq4KNRbxJxpbqanAsEExg- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2012 09:54:04 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1343488517.54058.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <0C719B17BB9A47A994424AF85D46F784@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1343488517.54058.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1s1BLs1pc9WJkxQ2ykIlZZkg9dLwADFdDw Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Slave Return Spring X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ditto here, I bought mine from Moss a few months ago and it broke in the 90 as I was trying to stretch it into place. Stuck it into an envelope and returned it to Moss and they replaced it, no questions. This time I hooked the 90 on the bracket first then stretched from the rounded end onto the clutch arm, no problems yet. I think that Moss must have gotten a bad batch, I would send them back. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:15 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Clutch Slave Return Spring I am having a rough time with clutch return springs. The old spring broke when I was taking it off to rebuild the clutch slave. It broke "in the spring". I ordered two new ones from Moss so I would have a spare. This morning I went to put the new spring in and it broke at the 90 on the spring straight part. I was holding it on the the long straight part at the 90 when it happened. No problem, I thought - I have a spare. When putting the second try on the little hook didn't get in the hole. I was trying to work/walk it in with a screwdriver and then it broke as well. Time to order some more springs and re-think things. So much for motoring about this weekend. Is there something I am missing on installing the spring? Is there an easier way to do it? I am holding the long straight part up to the 90 and stretching it out to get it in. I have done it many times before without issue. The spring has broke by itself a couple of times over the last 20 years. What the heck? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 13:20:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB98A2D01B6 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:20:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F152D019F for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6SJJDTU000395; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:19:13 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id C7923E0000A1; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Sam Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:19:11 -0500 Message-Id: To: arakelianp@mossmotors.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343503153; bh=eSRRXZ1cRKdJ3qFeM8F8lTCINm8r3CAmcea0LEJ9gnA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=nMbr9urt2oA7p4A4LS/7OHFvmLpHH544cnjLjC/dNw3haclDhrdUx62aL5F0zXpPN RjXAUbqiqWH02P5Fk4pwpi0DqsmXa8uOjxdgS8ftgtHTlqXZ5Cdv+8FcvrCw+IkpWK b1ahdpUiMSMmzRmJBntrtvY6M25lu8epxpLaxnfc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:329879552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c450143b3069a0 X-AOL-IP: 72.213.139.102 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are the alignment pins in place? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 13:50:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689842D0328 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:50:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383A32D019D for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([unknown] [174.255.33.130]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M7V00EWYYZBLS20@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:47:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:47:23 -0400 Message-id: From: Craig Nicholls To: Sam , arakelianp@mossmotors.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That issue means a dowel was not used to center everything up. Well documented at trf and the ohio buckeye site....craig Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Sam wrote: >He just had his clutch replaced. Had a Borg & Beck assembly replaced with a >Borg & Beck pressure plate, disc, and RHP release bearing. Also had to >replace the t/o bearing sleeve because it had a Green Bearing one piece >release bearing and sleeve unit. Used one of the new phosphor-bronze sleeves >with copper based lubricant as recommended. The fork was fine. Also replaced >the pilot bushing. >Symptoms: After the first approx 100 miles a squeal developed that sounded >like the t/o bearing. Squeal when lay foot on pedal, silent when pushed, >very >slight when no pressure at all. Then after another 100 miles or so the real >problem developed. When the pedal is released it feels rough along the >entire >length of travel. To the point that it makes it difficult in traffic because >it often seems to hang up at the very end of travel so sometimes it is >difficult to just let the clutch out slowly. It only occurs when the engine >is running. When you sit in the car, engine idling, and press the pedal you >can feel the roughness. If you work the pedal when the engine is running, >then shut the engine off, as soon as the engine stops the pedal feels smooth. >Someone suggested the clutch master is hanging up, but that would occur all >the time, engine running or not. >Thoughts? Please... >Peter Arakelian> > > >Are the alignment pins in place? > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 18:14:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625132D0156 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:14:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4552C0D35 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so8481870pbb.14 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V3XdpouGDE+ko3fDcRiuFzmg9cz2kObSEMt1+eO4fWk=; b=LddNmx/k0lEjX8n7f7V+vP/k8vzSr/V1N6TZsESLoH53iXLwb2cqXNon2IS7C4x16W Ic1bD8fEW9sJWJbf/8pxIfkZW6kTWTqGkcKd5GceTtCLRB0QhEl2s3c79sOjDOOO025J hVN9+E2/wXbFfS7Iv0Z03Nat2EfZgSfcbTxqjzD9rSqZyr0iQavVGLkGuW6DtoIHA2t8 ZwVfC56EWWIpka943fVlXlTjpF5ZGgTXkBjUhqURrgWx8s72MmT4pn9J/H3iNnVQtJjt 6t0gx5xI39C0jkQr8ygOgGbBCAA4yFVhXo2YvWpuZBPAO0K9eHjFtaNTVw1VwaO5a0oh Z0nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.75.74 with SMTP id a10mr14964558paw.46.1343521038503; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.38.10 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:17:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] help wiring a 240v welder US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a old style 240v dryer outlet. (three pronged socket and not 4) What I was told is that one leg is 110v from one circuit breaker and another leg is 110 from another breaker.. Is the center third leg ground? Why are there two 110v lines from separate breakers? Why not one line taken form the circuit breaker and then split? On the welder plug, one pin/leg is narrower than the other. Why is this? And does it mater. How do I connect this welder plug. The welder is 30 amp and the dry socket should be sufficient I've been told. Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 roysrealty.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 18:46:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8195D2D0191 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:46:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CFE2D017D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6T0fw53014417; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:41:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: 6pack@autox.team.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [TR] Annual Charity Plea X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. 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Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 28 19:48:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042192D01C2 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:48:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout12.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout12.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54112D0182 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan16.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.16] helo=mailscan16.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SvIY6-0005YQ-0Q for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:44:02 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan16.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SvIY5-0000sA-Dg; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:44:01 -0400 Received: from webmail16.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.16]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id g1k11j00D0Lncky011k1pH; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:44:01 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=HIVB5/Rv c=1 sm=1 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=q51Lnk2zEv4A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=kEcYiCKv5ZHe5j3qjR8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=smjlbzShKu/u1a5JyaOa2A==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.16.16 X-EN-IMPSID: g1k11j00D0Lncky011k1pH Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail16.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SvIXu-0005Xh-CO; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:43:50 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <68ff00a9069d3a26c7b1e446439ce3b5.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:43:50 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Sujit Roy" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] help wiring a 240v welder US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a old style 240v dryer outlet. (three pronged socket and not 4) > What I was told is that one leg is 110v from one circuit breaker and > another leg is 110 from another breaker.. Is the center third leg ground? > Why are there two 110v lines from separate breakers? Why not one line > taken form the circuit breaker and then split? > > > > On the welder plug, one pin/leg is narrower than the other. Why is this? > And does it mater. > > How do I connect this welder plug. The welder is 30 amp and the dry socket > should be sufficient I've been told. > > > Sujit > Your 125/250 volt, 30 amp, dryer outlet accepts only a three prong plug. If it is the stadard Nema 10-30, it does not have a grounding terminal. Dryers, because they contain devices that require 120 volts, are permitted to be grounded using the neutral terminal. That accepts the "L" shaped blade on the plug. The other two terminals have 240 volts between them. You should not have two separate circuit breakers. The two breakers must have a common trip lever. They supply the 240 volts. The 120 volts, for the dryer, is available between EITHER circuit breaker and neutral. If you choose, the outlet will operate your welder, but again there is no true ground. The neutral is a GROUNDED (white) conductor, but by code, you should have a GROUNDING (green) conductor. Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 29 07:47:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAA82D0200 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:47:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D56A2D0197 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6TDkwOT006828; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:46:58 -0400 Received: from core-moe002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 53DABE000085; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Message-ID: <5ed20.5a23371b.3d4698d1@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:46:58 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphstag@gmail.com, triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Originating-IP: [99.46.204.207] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343569618; bh=M4rTuB0g3LKH+6Vhfb1NRPsIPyOIpVBYDugXWsewMJA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=miBVy7eHXkehw/AjXG5JcuqLmPPQmf/OiA6s+eNeTb4/LXV7h8UEa2kptclPPRRwB GZraHFWOruoqLNGFwyIKWDvaxDlIIl3/ql0bm1qLLnG05v3CSpSZJoW2etwv8aoIay sM8+t4UyJEDNGF98KPEGTP+LpTgU35k1gftHI8Gc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451165152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950153ed2207a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [TR] help wiring a 240v welder US X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 7/28/2012 7:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time, triumphstag@gmail.com writes: > I have a old style 240v dryer outlet. (three pronged socket and not 4) > What I was told is that one leg is 110v from one circuit breaker and > another leg is 110 from another breaker.. Is the center third leg ground? > Why are there two 110v lines from separate breakers? Why not one line > taken form the circuit breaker and then split? The answer is, as always: it depends. It depends on how it was wired up. Never assume in a situation like this. Codes vary from state to state and they change over time. While it is true you will measure 110V from each leg to center it will vary as to where the center leg is connected. In some cases it will be connected to neutral and in other cases it will be wired to earth ground. Although these two points are bonded together at some point and, in theory, are at the same potential (zwro volts) their purposes are quite different. One is a current carrying conductor and the other is there to save your life. > > > > On the welder plug, one pin/leg is narrower than the other. Why is this? > And does it mater. > > How do I connect this welder plug. The welder is 30 amp and the dry socket > should be sufficient I've been told. Since you are using an outlet designed for a single phase 220 volt load for a welder which is a single phase 220 volt load it should work as intended. There should be no problems with this setup. My generic warning above is for those who would consider using this circuit to power a couple of 110V devices. Don't do that without checking it out further. Or find an electrician or someone like him. (sorry for the Firesign reference) Like brakes, your life is at stake, this is no place for shortcuts. Stay safe. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 29 16:27:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078C22D021B for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA9742D01EC for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 22:29:23 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 22:28:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.112] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 22:28:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2012 22:28:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 717242.93709.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26936 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2012 22:28:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1343600903; bh=ATAUefr95VqxwgNunBk0L3NTLgEjnX5TlajuCYvCvKc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1m+cYfT5ZS2qLmAxNipwTR9EbXV01zed0Y1+9iYVag0QU426WIfgKMcQ/c3Q8miQ1HqEemBB4RqY+VSS6grZBZPtn6ZRrQK5XIngV3MSAblk+AarNd4vXcvDFEQ1Bye/fu8soxgXxQ1ctGEBkH/8hVWdq5KgyQM0+R/KRu/qOg4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s4Yq+lO3Hv2CEZA/HpcC3ynvTStq/j7TUEFWPOAVsSQ+3NEAcl32oaQFSYpSOsSmx8g9EEkkHLHOyOUPPGasHjib8tJbZIYMX999Fze+toevZUyIC8H7CPD/NUnNhqngnlh37nU35T4iGbgaKdQExdLj+6zBqatYlwIFxNS8ldU=; X-YMail-OSG: dsuC3MYVM1ljzE_3FcMDHGtrbmoHHYhcadv0_0M_IdQ1LxD G7wUFUfCtd6sZHGJf4X7qJw86HwwknKWAMNrqWbma3YXBHOP035_GaL5uKNP BLX39tHZ9Q7ZvlEVFWjDkAvfqSBVW0Z4LfHpUigVBEwCwP.6GOqB2aQEiQAT 6.VZRbljkkNKUL9h9M4CgSmy7YOV5ow6.k_I9VMhkBWAfAuFOrPKInhG.GRG pUNwpF3L1N1E494DBOfku1lZuZudWWjFxeKQ9IPhTHt_4.zdRZkbcWIaLigH iP_vSwEHEKtltEGzZuID.mPtrtYOZ9P7szhk6YXhaiLat0ct7doIz.3V157j HtLVNkcoQOs7JozmjCP30lbu8NQlyuNslZAvYwD1J9hq_6R.8sIcFQlTKZrs qANnOqKFlV6p2lS4OWrpSVnepzsEe6q9hPOcxa83_3mvMi9TapYmuu69dTbK 2EuYz Received: from [108.220.112.213] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:28:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343600902.26392.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] How Long to MC's Last X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: William Brewer List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I just rebuilt the clutch & brake master cylinders and the clutch slave in my 1960 TR3A. I have only owned the car for 20 of its 52 years, so lord only knows how many times this has been done before. I think that I have done them four times, maybe more. How many times can they be rebuilt? It is worth picking up spares on Ebay and maybe having them sleeved? There really isn't much swarf when I hone them out. When White Post or Apple Hydraulics sleeve them with bronze or stainless, is the finish inside mirror smooth the rubber piston seals won't abrade? If I had them sleeved, I think that I would make a little polishing wheel and break out the jeweler's rouge and polish them mirror smooth. I would do it with my old original ones except that there are some old pits in them from long before I bought the car for $300. Just curious. While it is fresh in my mind I may start picking up parts for the next time I have to do these. -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 29 22:23:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6D32D0262 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:23:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536FD2D0222 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 04:25:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.194] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 04:25:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 04:25:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1343622339; bh=d678ZIoNfrQBJdR7adhDbvq6sgdtRym9+Q2mfPe9nV4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=wZFyNinPyM2Zz4hs7r8v1FLHWdESz2nlrKrUiXC0vd3QqpvrisnV+ZFwefEEGQnLLERmEJEkkmjTtwvZf3myJCWQmsjHu4tcTmLU8rCssIiVlGO/3Ev0HuzKgwx0tH4v7lMu6lzVD5quFpgMl2wq7BlKEuj717zhwJwhbWM25MU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 996278.48911.bm@smtp203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Hvp3QIYVM1nLdblsc1odL5f_wPytKrr.tMkl6reFt8Co6n6 bs3_IFFeegXcJZFMFDyHZgWp584xh3HSAyJMgrEIp3gO4rD7za5xfyHDtOpm O2i88nnC8Loewt3jtAD8ub5w8AV2OvoHFVtk5zlK.lUSY8ehX6RkXLsg0QFr dcsTAps.NQvVh8iTAL1DERt7szoGU1VNGMklFHfbzkutZM9D2KLjzX90yhus EZKGTpfSTrBqKPHXW7s7pB5hAnmHGr11PRkhEqo7dBO15Jy3Q3uU568qVyRb FKywp_ys5T4yI4I.0RLWm7FzUL6aMn2HZisJzvHm8vCOj2fiHrvrGr.Y7ckt WL3s5h2t.YzU1mego3bhKo_5odmPReHm5Iu2SBD6hYK9vkj3m1mIeeS.nWXM Hh2cHuibu.BYUPD_rRgjBej7oeyLqnOChqSERzePa9AETRNZMnAC1VJvPk9B 1A1qtytk9xHPmZDTefBALJNn8rqjnr7QZu5a6lURZERVkj1BTAYgbd5D4icz K_Pv7BgVzMQ6m_bbnQOsxk4d0R8Xe4CIhI5KYM2wFQv3rOXnNJrzVwtGiag- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: MDGza_qswBAgyXr4jGOoN7xw7ESbp_tRSUhNZ0MvX6drvGE- Received: from bboffice (bill_beecher@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2012 21:25:39 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:25:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3B000F88ED5A466FAC496C699A43AFB7@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1uC1HmpDQb9JaeSpePaIV5MSKv3Q== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Spring Length? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Measured my 3B front coil springs and they are 10.75" long, relaxed. The Moss catalog says they should be 9.75" or 10.25"(TR4) in length. Any I running any risk with this longer spring or should I just expect a little stiffer front suspension? Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 10:19:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5782C0CA2 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:19:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5862E2C0C9A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id w38of1dNeeDRFJS4 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:35 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:34 -0700 Thread-Topic: TR6 Clutch problem Thread-Index: Ac1ub2Lw+RUXIbenTbCwN1F4QOx2Jg== Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86F7FD3757@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at dataresolution.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR6 Clutch problem X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I want to thank all for their responses. Seems to generally support my initial feeling that there is some sort of alignment problem with the t/o bearing, sleeve, and nose. We will have the dowels and disc alignment checked as well. It was suggested that the roll pin in the sleeve could be miss-aligned, but I think that would self correct when force from the pressure plate is applied. BIG support should go to Buckeye Triumphs - those folks really document problems and fixes well. When/if we hear of resolution to the problem I will post back to let you all (or is all y'all) what we find. Again, a hearty thanks to all... Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 11:21:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146112D027C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:21:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA7FE2C0CDD for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.246] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 170648.78263.bm@omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48745 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343668639; bh=FFhJ8hcQ4HfI9shyn6Cz53hp0GZGZmL1J86M8HGTDfc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pgJba8bwpLU1sSkKO2Ec/EajM7LkSHq1M3uFwO0e0FPNPj8wTym+ZATgNwQzGK5CZ9QUozNbG/a5abJaagOxY62N+bO6MjR4nvntdQA+7qyYMVNe3iD5gJ8JHoPd/O67eRe+l7DGkinLuFGyan5R1y/oZhCXrcoCKaaGMmjdT+c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uXnkC7oryuOkWmHTRNHpsJfcnLTbpsBSe1HBvAOXUD5RdrjmPAd5/jPC/L5NVRFtfCZ4YYIi36+BVrvXblfxfhFsjv9IXXwUYJJMI+d6rlaV5pQ0csKBgD5EUKw7/aSNah5QMf++c/sVMKy2dXPH5aQpv6Fedz5aQBZ2P6SqSeg=; X-YMail-OSG: 4pM6GdsVM1nsZFTlvhDQylqK3K15AKf5jw3Uey4D.dZ5.AJ rIBRsbaySKrSnvYcCemAjAhoqHr9e6iEPTi7_L2k_fx1wc_RspA.bJUkN_VD .xBcD0wMXpUR0tiZzh_vHuKD204RQ0R3z8hTkxkUyeqJGkGmbkAzuiHFUqTz RL8Q0yAHi94pVMe.LEgU1b1zvvvd.uzPrm5upjIA9cmLCskZFB9XLHwFWWnW K7.ZwuQMqgkerpR2Y17O7yGOOdqWGizyey7xjRwE2XO58BIGC.c9pp5lFrXg e7kUh7snjU6a_07rr2Z.Lm_sTBndTRc8ceibqkzHgCeHqHHMA3PBH_1cYAER A0U9vD2Zj_D9F36BmuKQfgLD0NAhBPhGEQmZCEMaT4GXE8vRUqWs1_ALXVmC 5m1yU2HnP6PR1S.tzQA-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:17:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343668638.48347.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] TR3 starter motor X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Fisher List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net it would appear that there are a number of different assembly's of the early TR3 bullet nose starter motors. how unusual! laugh i have managed to disassemble the actuator mechanism all the way down to the point where i want to get the pinion off. there is a fairly stiff washer holding it on. it seems to be a 2 part washer with what the book may have called a caulked joint holding both half's together. having pushed the washer back against the stiff spring i found a split ring in a grove on the shaft. removed the split ring and thought the assembly should now come off but it appears to want to stay. gave it a light tap with a small persuasion device but its refuses to move any further. are there more split rings? what am i missing? Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 11:22:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56032D02CA for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:22:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.ctinetworks.com (smtp2.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01A62C0CCB for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E1A631D2046 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "davewillner" To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:22:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: E1A631D2046.A193F X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1344532910.44183@bA7bdmAHTD5zTRW7eH2i9g X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [TR] RadioMobile 1070x troubleshooting help X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If anyone has installed a RadioMobile in their TR3 successfully and had some issues they overcome, can you contact me maybe offline? I've exhausted my options and I'm stumped....appreciate it. Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS Sometimes its better to travel than to arrive... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 14:14:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D435D2D01AD for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:14:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C7C2C0CA5 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120730184731592.LKHN19431@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:47:31 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Dp/UCRD+ c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=lM4RxvUXjesA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=0_7VwHPIiHyjfRXKFx8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qGXN0-xOpg8AXfiv:21 a=DAvnPlvfRY2XWrLx:21 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:5730] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 0F/61-13948-946D6105; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:45:29 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <3B000F88ED5A466FAC496C699A43AFB7@bboffice> In-Reply-To: <3B000F88ED5A466FAC496C699A43AFB7@bboffice> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: <0d1101cd6e83$72c9a080$585ce180$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1uC1HmpDQb9JaeSpePaIV5MSKv3QAd4eEQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Spring Length? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Measured my 3B front coil springs and they are 10.75" long, relaxed. > The > Moss catalog says they should be 9.75" or 10.25"(TR4) in length. Any I > running any risk with this longer spring or should I just expect a > little > stiffer front suspension? The risks would be being too stiff, or too soft, or too low, or too high. Since they are the wrong springs, just the free length doesn't tell you very much. But changing springs isn't a horrible job, so they might be worth a try. Just curious, do they have the spacers? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 16:38:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CDE2D0305 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A386A2D022C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8ba55.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.186.85]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M7Z00KQZWCB4AD0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:41:15 -0400 From: George Richardson In-reply-to: <1343668638.48347.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Message-id: <50170D8B.9000108@key-men.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120730-0, 07/30/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <1343668638.48347.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 starter motor X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen 4 bullet nose starters besides my own 2, and they were all the same. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 7/30/2012 1:17 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > it would appear that there are a number of different assembly's of the early > TR3 bullet nose starter motors. how unusual! laugh > i have managed to > disassemble the actuator mechanism all the way down to the point where i want > to get the pinion off. > there is a fairly stiff washer holding it on. it seems > to be a 2 part washer with what the book may have called a caulked joint > holding both half's together. > having pushed the washer back against the stiff > spring i found a split ring in a grove on the shaft. removed the split ring > and thought the assembly should now come off but it appears to want to stay. > gave it a light tap with a small persuasion device but its refuses to move any > further. > are there more split rings? what am i missing? > Frank > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 21:00:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CFB2D026B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:00:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CA72C0986 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120731004432525.OAMH14353@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:44:32 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=6J7dDgNbVa8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zUSY06vc-tj1THew2n4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:14433] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C5/74-28917-23A27105; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:43:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1343600902.26392.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343600902.26392.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:43:10 -0700 Message-ID: <0d8501cd6eb5$76668aa0$63339fe0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1t2azqGOaa9qQ7SyGYTf59QX8G8gA232dA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] How Long to MC's Last X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > How many times can they be rebuilt? Depends greatly on how much metal you have to remove when you hone them. At some point, the bore becomes so large that even new seals won't fill it. Don't use them with visible pits in the area where the seal rides. The pits will quickly wear out the sealing edge. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 30 21:00:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4022D029B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:00:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC5F2C0986 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120731004155932.PSSK22060@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:41:55 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=s1lXCPDwe3W3gdqR_M8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:14346] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 09/B2-29356-29927105; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:40:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1343668638.48347.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343668638.48347.YahooMailNeo@web120206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <0d8401cd6eb5$1743aee0$45cb0ca0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1ueCr9s8P0SxplRDqfdcEbgU5OHwAPH2uA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 starter motor X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > are there more split rings? what am i missing? It has been a long time, but seems like I vaguely recall that some of them had another clip inside the back end of the barrel portion of the pinion. You had to remove that clip to remove the pinion, and then access another clip underneath the pinion to get the rest of the drive off. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 31 08:23:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73072D02C0 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:23:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB6B2C0D48 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so13325540pbb.14 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8JHF0HiOGSdAgHAVbcJ+l97J0aShep1Gv/1B/YyOqSw=; b=J0v8fxVE76xRt6EGXburmVgY4vOOLvmnL/03QW+fKXDX7wODsEKyD8txwsbBZUJb/g tOmXrNxSQJr2PXPVVvL7TOA/AF+N4l99Wxbo58n/aesXJEgK4Km9wWgf9FFOtHSnMMNa LIhNUBaQZQabWMEnurF+sCwWA3upUP7t0i+6CHeHTABHODDgNFUxjlkgmVS6Irzo9xDW UgzIbJQfr2c+7Spu4kAWYnojbD5Cq64aqTjM/OO+6OViJ+Q5Vv+8M4ZdR/MeGdBqJR+X Q4g81pJj9OVA5iwKCQQlk72a/1ygKk/iSJ3F0WACHGt8RNL00ga2zVHRAQn1u79bQfOu K0+w== Received: by 10.68.231.233 with SMTP id tj9mr43808937pbc.39.1343741856794; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-32-186.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.32.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rx7sm300858pbc.64.2012.07.31.06.37.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5017DF9D.1080302@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:37:33 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1343600902.26392.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0d8501cd6eb5$76668aa0$63339fe0$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <0d8501cd6eb5$76668aa0$63339fe0$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] How Long to MC's Last X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hydraulic systems last longer if they are used than if they just set. Water is the enemy. It is absorbed by normal hydraulic fluids and attack the metals from inside. Most references I've seen recommend draining the hydraulic fluid every 18 months and flushed with alcohol before pouring fresh fluid in. You should be using a low moisture absorbing (LMA) brake fluid. Changing the fluid is the secret to going a long time between rebuilds on a vehicle you are using. You can rebuild them over and over again unless you get oxidation pits that you can not polish out. When they wear out, get them sleeved so they will not pit and they should last forever. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 31 17:29:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987D32D024A for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:29:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9682C0D21 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6VNVopE017015; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:31:50 -0400 Received: from core-dlc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.77]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 01B2BE000087; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catpusher@aol.com Message-ID: <1639b.35b705aa.3d49c4e5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:31:49 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [76.14.73.245] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343777510; bh=/VfH5gK/uq2fDwn21jhiuPKoEVHVVmWL3lXxDIyA9tY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LIcrzM1rHN3PIZgWMGZoaguSaSzxp++yc+wR+eVc+wAlJO1M9OnP+CPuvq4iD/QmC H08xbyB6j1U3rP6Td1r9BcSava9EDil+b69mdq+EjZSnHUlkG6Lhe9OqtjVGqyR36K V2aRmFJ2zQQ5evbALEQL6opuXGoYc1VG/DVTmUek= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400226848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290850186ae66394 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: bill_beecher@flash.net Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: TR3 Coil Spring Length? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, just look in the Factory TR3B parts book LOL The Factory TR2/3 "workshop manual" (Service Instruction Manual), section H: Road Springs and Shock Absorbers, page 1, has all the info and an illustration of the standard and factory competition springs. Do pay attention to spacers, if fitted. TR Regards, Hardy From: To: "'Triumphs'" Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Spring Length? Message-ID: <3B000F88ED5A466FAC496C699A43AFB7@bboffice> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Measured my 3B front coil springs and they are 10.75" long, relaxed. The Moss catalog says they should be 9.75" or 10.25"(TR4) in length. Any I running any risk with this longer spring or should I just expect a little stiffer front suspension? Thanks, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 31 21:25:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: triumphs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88332D026B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:25:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3F1D2D026B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 03:28:20 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 03:28:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.117] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 03:28:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 03:28:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 874276.47924.bm@omp1022.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72757 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 03:28:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=mkEnA41zTrldtGKXk5u27r4OHvt9axORi8Jj+YxkY/UNiMKSTIWC7jXuREMEy5zugAcwe/Mx0HCAaUbIh3ONaZ41o9ZzW7IDjg7LEYWixmY6oVretn1qwyzu01dSXkLOlwPv8pVAIgF3aKuYwmDZh4T/NmNoqc918EHjseqnpqg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s1024; t=1343791699; bh=Hg3TChaZWONP71TtJiicGZGGGSWZrLURumtE5+owYm8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=keMU2YmOZ/0BYyLjWAGO3uATVl/v6fL8GuXAmCKLn8cOx7vi2Y/IpbYWnDo+68R3OBvoLrK0i9s8tfHxnfar4SgVJHhc34mzcAU/uhxOKEzNYt7x96cRhxNhEmIIgs8m/ZD/JTxaJIFiVr+XMooUGT2y+FfT5q0H+4JDHTXswu8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: AAEXdsUVM1lebIm2oVu8.Zw1Nkb5LxO0kqWLon2liQIBsj_ NpknfXB8yLSiJz5Fda6Pk5QA6.9rudtPGaDrzjteeeYb9.NcHFyRXr05EShk A6vb7WwAcOECO8zVz1t5GIsUTiBwbJAK3GHOhCLVkKj9o5Jjp4VrdIXHJLZu cFCxlinYABRumVCG2RlJcFY2Zy9gp11J7xeJdb53ULIiG5gPb2gzTYwnppV3 c1cZVthlflUksKJUVPyvpkVE0f1iRcPAEujUy8AZcjZR.GNMTUjtgBScdE4b ujrjF8rLGVUfU7FSvFbr3jLXymUfjovnREhR5_cqKKswwUIwZ_Bh9igE._Ep kqGpj0oQyollIgCRTB8UZftaXWg81ZbiBnnlbPtApydIl4pWjIFnhWo.izQx WZlVL3oQStlkYkSdjTsLJr3b_PJd2V_KxGABt5t2Z0bV2AY809pQ0ePXqqMi icMjsi_ytA0P__r75uQSd4KD6zw9XoFdWYs_fLtv2uv1h74FM6n5sXVg7kq4 kF2UHEMhffUUqKu8ATgka X-Yahoo-SMTP: HTF4o02swBC5GolW.rz6obXo2eBuCkymtyWpl3Q- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 20:28:19 -0700 PDT From: "Wbeech" To: , References: <1639b.35b705aa.3d49c4e5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:28:31 -0500 Message-ID: <039780D3EF6148A088A44D6F54410261@bboffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1639b.35b705aa.3d49c4e5@aol.com> Thread-Index: Ac1vdMZ0sZ4zpaYNTzCJzPCYybMvtgAIFP1w Cc: bill_beecher@flash.net Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: TR3 Coil Spring Length? X-BeenThere: triumphs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Triumph Sports car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I did look at that, and that's why I started to wonder what I had. The manual calls for 9.75(std.) or 9.19(comp) yet these measure 10.75". As Randall said, they aren't that hard to replace, so I guess I will put them back from whence they came, spacers and all, and see how she takes the bumps & turns. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:32 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: bill_beecher@flash.net Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: TR3 Coil Spring Length? Bill, just look in the Factory TR3B parts book LOL The Factory TR2/3 "workshop manual" (Service Instruction Manual), section H: Road Springs and Shock Absorbers, page 1, has all the info and an illustration of the standard and factory competition springs. Do pay attention to spacers, if fitted. TR Regards, Hardy From: To: "'Triumphs'" Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Spring Length? Message-ID: <3B000F88ED5A466FAC496C699A43AFB7@bboffice> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Measured my 3B front coil springs and they are 10.75" long, relaxed. The Moss catalog says they should be 9.75" or 10.25"(TR4) in length. Any I running any risk with this longer spring or should I just expect a little stiffer front suspension? Thanks, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs-archive@autox.team.net