From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 15:13:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F744403DC for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:13:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.ctinetworks.com (smtp2.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A7F403D3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from home45dd83c8be (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8FA1A1D21B4 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:46:44 -0500 (EST) From: "davewillner" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:48:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] chrome wire wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I may be inheriting a set of 4 chrome wire wheels that have some "light" surface rust. I have powder coated wires on my TR and the MG that are holding up very well. Is there a procedure or process for renewing chrome wheels for the long term other than rechroming that might improve the look? Steel wool, polish, clear coat, etc? Appreciate it Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 15:13:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F624043C for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:13:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E050403DE for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:07:20 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OZlUOxdgq+aXDAFIMBWuekwtXoRXAO46r0cY6cYbeDkrkpXbG5ti0lf/zZpuGdsG; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [97.123.21.180] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Terah-0001Ye-6Z for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 13:15:03 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:15:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] Need a spire nut for a front fender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Would anyone have leftovers from a fender mounting kit? I need one J-clip for a front fender for a TR4A. Just thought Ibd offer to give your orphan hardware a good home. Thanks, Cliff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 15:42:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D16C403FD for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:42:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC20403D3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:42:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WNUv1k0011afHeLAANiPET; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:42:23 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WNiP1k0062yr1eL8dNiPKr; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:42:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:42:23 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: davewillner s=q20121106; t=1354401743; bh=dH6egcqzqAlzAIEj7YF+601wm15PEFgeKBGoBDw3lQA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Tp2dUlrL5RbZYIKtXPd+xNP+kCRT6ltpKo5vX6TTJ6ZspSpODvDBik683JU2yPWzx IVuRTcJakOyu856AtuU7hVAJImcwVABpmk1lCTEeXJWaARUaRRMPzVlzVUVpB1c/pi 285fMlQN6EdrKBVqojB43iWtY8KCbY/YOxDxUgVEsjwGgOkTLsPlCx0UuVINWdnHCf FBBVwbuhCPDMhNCn0EufYLY0GYex9tN7WE9CUkU+O0uUtqRF3SKDWnkKw33HOwkB1g mzGvFeJSeBBQee2VCcgaPMLqh4POh2SQsEYmkjcZ/sZD4Ib//31x2JpzqkJBZlIbNu iZXkQTe2MOikg== Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] chrome wire wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you saying that the wire spokes themselves are chromed mild steel? And that there is surface rust on the wire spokes? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "davewillner" > To: "Triumph List" > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 3:48:44 PM > Subject: [TR] chrome wire wheels > I may be inheriting a set of 4 chrome wire wheels that have some > "light" > surface rust. I have powder coated wires on my TR and the MG that are > holding > up very well. Is there a procedure or process for renewing chrome > wheels for > the long term other than rechroming that might improve the look? Steel > wool, > polish, clear coat, etc? Appreciate it > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 17:51:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCF24040B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 17:51:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEBD403F0 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 17:51:33 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=nmDeROcrhREA:10 a=Sc5ImC4yAAAA:20 a=eP2wGJ6KAAAA:20 a=_3MvT98QAAAA:20 a=l0rH1iUEN9DhF3OAizoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hMcPM-aY6qYA:10 a=rhE6O_PLXTwA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 31/BC-00778-716AAB05; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:51:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'davewillner'" , "'Triumph List'" Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:51:38 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3QERk8BYo0JNNkQGWcxoUNJ1eyaAAFCJ3g Subject: Re: [TR] chrome wire wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there a procedure or > process for renewing chrome wheels for the long term other > than rechroming that might improve the look? Steel wool, > polish, clear coat, etc? Appreciate it Fred Thomas suggested a PPG product known as DX579 Metal prep. Dilute with about 4 parts clean water and apply with a sprayer, then scrub the rust away with brass (or bronze) wool. I was surprised at how well it works. Before: http://goo.gl/m8GM7 After 10-15 seconds of work: http://goo.gl/vQ8VY (Sorry, I didn't take a final photo. Decided to use another cover instead.) DX579 contains phosphoric acid (similar to naval jelly) which should help reduce future rust. However it certainly wouldn't hurt give it a good coat of wax as well. The DX579 was a little hard to find but I eventually found a local automotive paint store that had it. The fine bronze wool came from MMC. According to Fred, the diluted DX579 won't harm paint as long as you keep it wet until you can flush it away. But don't let it dry on the paint. Probably best to wear gloves and eye protection (but I didn't). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 21:40:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA51403FC for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:40:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54253403EF for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1751A12A0 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:38:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:38:10 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] What fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Had some issues with Team.Net during the last 24 hours, but the mailing lists seem to be working again. Let me know if you don't get this message. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 23:13:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB9740406 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:13:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C84403F6 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:12:31 -0700 (MST) a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:17 a=0H_z5hHcZyIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=GUWJ7m1BM6AA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Qo-DUXnKbcSnVSl3JqEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:117 Received: from [76.89.87.204] ([76.89.87.204:1264] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A2/AA-21565-F41FAB05; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 06:12:33 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <50BADB32.2040203@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:12:28 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3QR2UJuo6RZlGfQT65Fkuz3dsInQADGv4A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] What fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't get it. Can you send it again? > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:38 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] What fun > > Had some issues with Team.Net during the last 24 hours, but the mailing > lists seem to be working again. Let me know if you don't get this > message. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1@san.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 1 23:41:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4BE40403 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:41:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324E3403F6 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565C3A12A0 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:40:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 23:40:18 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: 'Triumphs' References: <50BADB32.2040203@bradakis.com> <000c01cdd054$02ec4000$08c4c000$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] What fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > I didn't get it. Can you send it again? > > If I ever get this response I'll be more than happy to send you another copy. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 2 15:07:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600D340415 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:07:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96824040D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:06:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2012 22:06:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.206] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2012 22:06:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2012 22:06:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354485984; bh=pWzH0fdIe5uPzfyVahwHLFGQO2+6PuNT+KgxSUxZUYo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=yTMZnF7vEdqYaCt4ngV+UYt167PIxlPu3aHqFyMGW6YA8g7BbMjBGcERel6blVpCQEK4xefMzqL3fy12A/XYd7dFCIWGpQpXRzU7Zw7peugvwI2KCSbdifvdvCFxnjfXqUBeLgKxmylPF+StUaJD7sqxGOGdeTy6/Fb2RC02Hrs= .lbvccyTSURuDHZ6UWbteEqJu7OoqXQRlzTA_DzwZuoHeMBgJA8NtZBNGe6f RfYo2801S6uC1kz1DCtgQ8XqEgvfm6vUBJOZEHe3dJT5dGu7B5agEY1iI_0F N2vVtDL7hDpThJUL4fPFdxgYBT4Ts9XeMfXvDmlEB5Q8sQyEbpINB5K1ukL5 xdD3ywgUcjtA8akH716yEK5hy2xRa0dBT_EIBAx6N.4mBxYpFhP.QbRhJvwf 3F7gbxqRfUAI8T.40M.YD1h.RnSOWQ05h64pBGb3fWfsXZE6dcfkS4wsb_5k UqMRYg2lcHzhHerdNqQFGyckdEyszX3EHcHCuSa2SWD94wW8um5cPW2mljyJ rddCr7bgwB.McfsWqu2J6Tvyk8B4VZOYFf.2Dg02jv5s- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Dec 2012 14:06:23 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:06:15 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3Q2T5m9S7ayAkqRwO/U0mVonTEYw== Subject: [TR] TR3A/B Door Hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Before shell out what seems to be a lot, $40 ea, for door hinges I thought I might give the list a shout to see if anyone has any good used ones laying around. I could use all four but really need the right side as they are in poor shape having been reworked by a PO. Thanks, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 10:53:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3085C4053D for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:53:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0E640521 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:53:20 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=yellowtr@adelphia.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=+uheEYA3p7ggxj+SeFOCiw==:17 a=rNmm8QQcX7EA:10 a=yAP4_T4JbDAA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=lShvJPgsizgA:10 a=TCdliky5TiOjn1nDDNUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=+uheEYA3p7ggxj+SeFOCiw==:117 Received: from [24.176.248.29] ([24.176.248.29:54078] helo=[192.168.0.101]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 51/43-21565-907ECB05; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:53:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:52:53 -0500 From: bob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 To: Wbeech References: <788E7BB0F739447A971F9F477BC1A813@bboffice> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A/B Door Hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I might have what you need. But I am currently in South Lake Tahoe for vacation and wont be home until next week. I would have to check upstairs in the garage to be sure. If you dont hear from any other listers by then reply to me directly and I will have a look next Tuesday. Bob On 12/2/2012 5:06 PM, Wbeech wrote: > Before shell out what seems to be a lot, $40 ea, for door hinges I thought I > might give the list a shout to see if anyone has any good used ones laying > around. I could use all four but really need the right side as they are in > poor shape having been reworked by a PO. > > Thanks, > Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 11:18:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21D940545 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:18:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430AB40521 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from spamtest4.bright.net (spamtest4.bright.net [209.143.0.182]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qB3IG2w7000861 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:16:02 -0500 Received: from rg6.cniteam.com (rg6.cniteam.com [209.143.0.246]) by spamtest4.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qB3IHm12010057 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:17:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg6.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id ELX90384 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:17:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:18:30 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net refid=str=0001.0A020201.50BCECCC.0094,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine Subject: [TR] Howmany TR4's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A couple weeks ago this was run through the list. Just added 2 more. One is a very ratty 4A parts only. The other is a '65TR4, pretty straight car, wire wheels, Michelin X tires. decent interior and a rebuilt engine that we should have running in the next couple days. that is for sale. Buy early,Buy often. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 21:50:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0275740557 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 21:50:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90E740535 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 21:50:17 -0700 (MST) a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:17 a=9gr_CBU1jdwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=1RYmNLLuF-UA:10 a=Xp3ZDdN-zSiPU9mwHs0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=4ft40OHWzkPjq3KG8TsA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:117 Received: from [72.226.35.89] ([72.226.35.89:51567] helo=PeterPC) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EA/C7-20885-0018DB05; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 04:50:09 +0000 From: "Peter" To: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:50:07 -0500 Thread-index: Ac3R2tVKsU3JBZgVS5iUBDFc+QwFcQ== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] How many TR4s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I'm in with a 63 TR4, bought new in July of that year. It turned over 190,000 miles in October and was put up for the winter today. Pete Fullam CT19207L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 3 22:25:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB274055A for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:25:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E30440535 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:24:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2B9A1392 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:25:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:25:54 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <001801cdd1da$d5bc8530$81358f90$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I miss The Rust Rocket. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 4 10:25:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC2D4055E for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:25:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480BE4054E for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.59] by nm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2012 17:25:14 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.202] by tm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2012 17:25:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2012 17:25:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1354641914; bh=xeNF+fhVDS61F7YRSVKqJIqdXs8nw3le4Jo7BuWCsJE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=rIzkhObKOI6GE1q4lyOuhEbxTCykPtMxf0aqh7kgA4dKBLdzQl5YccKFORVuXR7/Q4+w+AAgCUAfiFlUftNMsZD5eWCXC/3HcPGmV0B73J0IkFbmA5NcTi3bozXLHv0Ewza/60dRGtT58maLM/9r/yuQLY9VHt7VePGI0G7gul0= a_CX7XgR.v2X_W0TrR7E6nXOjS.8oBFP38jXkjEnUDJV5pn_Hb6IJcx35fiq ysRp3HAKXBBTT.iD0b3SSaslASHUikPSRGNK3KI2_.fcG_QBHsJBYR8Vt_md 9s.B2pQLjfT_6tBLXrh4gLV_Oq7oj3Kn5HZx52RekUTymibdERQkfG76JqYz W6BkikEVH8ld0dU.jLRwfGSVtslmiS6Cw.FN.FzeiNTfe6yuMYiDIolYndcx TmRFPc555dlxtzV5Gg1pOHzmDaSejc0IgiFCzAASYKFszWOoZvvZKZIEw8xH KGvWw6I4WCBAHSlJelmTlAOprncXIdTL_xFbx71eMoT2.8mowy_yMg7tXGua DCw0l.VimGXjNoeZK0VSkptZseFVXcbfEbgDE5cfoEPO9ORGLMyBJp_5Iy6x U3BcSuYEM7OM9jIe0nZ70jtiYr7gQNXI4Aq0XAk_dXVgrr.x_6pfDkb5GpyI rucCJIgpdRQK6JQ1JGAxgngIwLrVhs9nyN77QoFnbyuw7XdizeGmbITZnXba QYHkJt4bHbhBA_0R7 Received: from bboffice (bill_beecher@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Dec 2012 09:25:14 -0800 PST From: To: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:25:10 -0600 thread-index: Ac3SRE6Kxw1ZYEddQ/CFMCRuS46T7w== Subject: [TR] Off Topic - Ford Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to bomb the list but does anyone have any connections at Ford? Have a new car on order with the engine that they are recalling and wondering if I should cancel. Please, I don't want to start any "Ford, Chevy or others" exchanges, just looking for a contact. Thx, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 4 11:22:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347BF4055B for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:22:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38CF40528 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:22:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS2 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:22:31 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: , References: <2F8F99E378F94E05982C48C50994D686@bboffice> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:22:24 -0800 Thread-Index: AQIZoixiK5+bAX+Z4d5dmz9Va3bktpdxU2fg Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[53214850:01CDD24C] Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic - Ford Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have a friend who is sort of a "Mechanic" on their SVT research side - he's coming over to the shop Saturday to help me with a TR Stag that's getting a Ford Turbo 2.3L conversion. Contact me off line and I'd be happy to forward your question or ask in person. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill_beecher@flash.net Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:25 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Off Topic - Ford Sorry to bomb the list but does anyone have any connections at Ford? Have a new car on order with the engine that they are recalling and wondering if I should cancel. Please, I don't want to start any "Ford, Chevy or others" exchanges, just looking for a contact. Thx, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jagmog@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 7 19:17:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A614042C for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:17:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674D940409 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:17:09 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=UjSXXxwAfnYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eN7isVk4W9cA:10 a=iMSj3xQcAAAA:8 a=68F_YHK1AAAA:8 a=djViF9ZxME2O1B6fkfUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nZCp16mobLMA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DE/40-00785-A03A2C05; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:16:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:16:42 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3U4l2AeKqwVwHERouwBNqKShAlBAAB1QNA Subject: [TR] FW: 1968 GT6 for sale in Colorado Auto Parts Salvage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone near Englewood, CO interested in a GT6 project? Sounds like a good find, if you can get there before it gets stripped. This thread is located at: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?p=859063 *************** There is a blue 1968 GT6 with a white racing stripe down the passenger side - complete at [url]http://coloradoautoandparts.com/[/url]. It is smashed evenly just above the front bumper back about 6", did not get into the bonnet hinge area. All it really needs is a new bonnett, everything else looks straight, all glass is good.. They are asking $2650. If it sits too long it will go to the shreader next door I am sure in a few weeks. I will post a photo in a bit. Cheers! *************** -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 7 21:34:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EE540444 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:34:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FD740415 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ys8G1k0021Y3wxoA9sZ25b; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:33:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.72] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YsZ01k0074L5TyG8bsZ06C; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:33:01 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Randall Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:32:58 -0700 References: s=q20121106; t=1354941182; bh=gAucu9JIOwXzhORHN1mpQSsP5G0dx1eVb3g7jVt3IiY=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=hf3FN3Tdp519niHOfAG4IoRHmNSbmgeQCmGcsxI9UMup9Ne+a3F2nI+Fc6NifrfZN 3YhQiu2p6WBjEcM0qiGjs2zCXVOvN/W5DNqyFNcOO4RU4EnZu8V9bqaQIXoGj6NHX1 HPF0lWpSg9gLLC6iY3xvjlXEuRr1KV14YHybe7hC7UOZkUi3jyxkZvDX/ZNd82HrND dH5d729Yolu0ZppAZDd08RjBwP/s43zZ82xHUF8HbI2xR9DbgCzjBYZqFZZBdsrAl4 DuOy+oUD6UYlGVvA6HH2HWEaYbNA92diIEua7MT+an3+nvualWJ6tI/JIRdeOUXDr9 YSSHx+Cyad1RA== Cc: 'Triumph List' Subject: Re: [TR] FW: 1968 GT6 for sale in Colorado Auto Parts Salvage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a really nice TR4A project in Colorado that hasn't been smashed and close to the same price. Actually it's more like a set (4) of refurbished (trued and power coated) ARE aluminum mag wheels with 6 Nokof spinners (three left, three right) for $5000 and you get a TR4A project car for free. And to save everyone's time, I won't sell the Nokofs separately. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Randall wrote: > Anyone near Englewood, CO interested in a GT6 project? Sounds like > a good > find, if you can get there before it gets stripped. > > This thread is located at: > http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?p=859063 > > *************** > There is a blue 1968 GT6 with a white racing stripe down the > passenger side > - complete at [url]http://coloradoautoandparts.com/[/url]. It is > smashed > evenly just above the front bumper back about 6", did not get into the > bonnet hinge area. All it really needs is a new bonnett, everything > else > looks straight, all glass is good.. > They are asking $2650. > > If it sits too long it will go to the shreader next door I am sure > in a few > weeks. > > I will post a photo in a bit. > > Cheers! > *************** > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 8 09:11:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AC740517 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 09:11:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E1D403D5; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 09:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id xa7so1041555pbc.14 for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 08:11:07 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fSruU5TzC3pTmoNVZ91N+gKU/5Iqn+jd4QC8JyHOTBc=; b=cZuzHnhx1skfGzM++Pz4G7YwtycAicfIEGJimLDPW/myB8R9Mk7boJv9jJhlT4Lbtk IBrJnT49AbmLnI2KNa3ICrGRLIMs4eJrKQbUG3tcifxQPVjAYQVfXDAeSxiNdRqUzyF6 z9bBLD9g8JMXDpV3p6C8dAJIFYq1FQ1vFtrkD62Ka8A1nLhHLO/inwGdTBcKbwlnmVgj bZiHoanZMmQfGGtAIp98FDtkr6CbrTGywTs6S4hgTOnRuRoL2/rCSgF/z9DgvQkwLT5I kTQEjo7y1GsImuiibIQpVjWYAFgg3AW14vWS4kZKWGL5ScqvKZ5mqz1AQhD9KmawWo+w llEw== Received: by 10.66.87.133 with SMTP id ay5mr21853936pab.59.1354983067510; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 08:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.79.7 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 08:11:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:11:07 -0500 From: darrell floyd To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] VTR Forum is back Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, For those of you that were using the VTR forum located at the VTR website please be advised that it is back up and running after an extended period of darkness. Regards, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 8 11:15:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C30C40517 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:15:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57815403D5 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:14:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z5c11k0011ZXKqc516EEu5; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:14:14 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z6EE1k00l2ymm843h6EEde; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:14:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:14:14 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List , "Krause, John" , "Krivenko, Bob" s=q20121106; t=1354990454; bh=+BoEqU/3TsrlkBhkm32hSvoYJhXTNoZD4nBXzQqVg6o=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=okrp3r5jQoxdv+mAcgSQM2rt1o/s2o8ms+cWBqz3owzYiz1Obps66gkf8EkcHg5La P9iIlNej67p2fKksSU4lZJ7nBM5M1+qVp3RDJp4AB8jmLErvlfkbykbL00ASjRbR1r qiHlCdHgi7208s3Cm706vcOXAoIcIt6tEd/o6vz1K8sl0ATzu6ADg66ZZWgvvuCM7f fDFRqgmFomylqUgrOqf2KfRSsNbJqwdqbkl9kDttAqHJs8/CX9+z88JVsRj/BQPcp/ xMrucv6DUFKXmYMQSfDePYhMjce14xzExeQs+DHBzOhX5TmTOWQ5ie2a19U9mvDc9J bdwQdNaNKrzRQ== Subject: [TR] TR3A Clutch Release Bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I needed to replace the release bearing on my clutch in the '59 TR3A. The the one that went bad (bearings are toast) was a single unit (bearing and sleeve). The replacement I purchased from Moss came in two parts: 595-000 is the release bearing and 596-010 is the sleeve. My question is which way does the release bearnig go on the sleeve? One face is smooth and the other side has the manugacturer's info stamped on the face and the edge is rounded. If I put it on with the stamped and rounded edge side facing the clutch, it fits almost flush with the sleeve end but there is less friction with the sleeve. If I put it on with the smooth side facing the clutch, it is a snugger fit on the sleeve so bith RB and sleeve spin if you spin the RB, but it does not sit flush with the end of the sleeve, so it sits more forward. I hope this makes sense to someone who has done this. My inclination is that the stamped surface is to face the clutch as it just feels better, but... Thanks. Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 8 18:59:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9540517 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:59:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368D340432 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:58:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id m15so1523166lah.14 for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=osUFT9bYS1yYMyoN1cOJjQR8VQTZFUV55OFmFw20p0c=; b=H1ewGF/QJh3KleQcWr7WoRIpBYXOo09hL0ZQjl7h1CKxDE5+k5y4EXyfZeAewHT1mV wcroZImb8nW8eQrfNc5JaxelDg+FP65FVTJn3AuAxeXQvs1ZrAjijjyV795vnnUAqDCK go1JgOAcF7hZwjdz8wNLzgWaQsFuS3yr6HLpnw2fScjVLXcetFU0c1DIvTiKi+4yMjGw qB0QeDCc44UhozOEPxHyGtjv+tgFSBle8kdKD6VGBHC8ui7JNcN7rn4aLmM6UJZbLr3q DIlwaeEIt+tZs3/tiynkmT1CaiiHs/yLlZBzkVU0cXawzbA7yIB6DLH0in2ecVDa+jSl F9rw== Received: by 10.112.83.100 with SMTP id p4mr4305946lby.96.1355018296247; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.2.176 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:58:16 -0500 From: alan salvatore To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in place of them, that secures the screws to the door that hold the interior door pull handles for a TR4. Original part # FS2758/4 I don't see them listed by any of the usual sources. Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 8 19:48:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C264043D for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 19:48:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DF34043C for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 19:46:11 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=wvP8XWyStdEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zR-wR_-rjEQA:10 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=3HV3cqz5Q7CkOMrze6YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 58/BA-00778-25BF3C05; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 02:45:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'alan salvatore'" , Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:45:41 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3VsL1FuwcGx7IXTc68QJz0Y0P6EwABkuzg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in > place of them, that secures the screws to the door that hold > the interior door pull handles for a TR4. > > Original part # FS2758/4 I'm not at all certain, but I think there is a good chance that MMC part number 90680A115 would work: http://www.mcmaster.com/#cadinlnord/90680a115/=kie0ai -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 8 20:06:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A3B40452 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:06:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06224043D for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:06:02 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ns9kqPgapzDevbfO1qQkJJa4fJb0DZ/1n1gGG2+Hm6f8tfFMDGzWeoQED3vpWDL1; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [97.123.21.180] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ThXCi-0004CH-CS; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:05:20 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "'alan salvatore'" , References: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:05:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think that part Randall lists would work. For any of these cage nuts you may have to adjust the tabs. The Standard hardware catalog describes that part as #8 UNC. Similar cage nuts are pretty easy to find; they are used for rack mount computers among other things. Here's another listing at Fastenal: http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=11544402 The local Fastenal store has always been willing to order small quantities of stuff for me. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:45 PM To: 'alan salvatore' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls > I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in > place of them, that secures the screws to the door that hold > the interior door pull handles for a TR4. > > Original part # FS2758/4 I'm not at all certain, but I think there is a good chance that MMC part number 90680A115 would work: http://www.mcmaster.com/#cadinlnord/90680a115/=kie0ai -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 8 20:29:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED014044B for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:29:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE2D4043D for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:28:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.168.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.168]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M39f5-1SqfjC1rKZ-00sYae; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:28:20 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "alan salvatore" , References: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:28:53 -0500 R77hF+QRWRMBFv/ogYmKVXPduUKrk0lOQnXFpp5O+6bWLiN+QB Tb+mtiuh0+k/DHi17FIeCWGqYv4U8M60FyDx/VHnr/wC/Vc3YO l3+p+jqRPkLwWczJ2B5Np5cmbGtQqL7LDZ1rnv93YzRnUXsCGj myAmtwVI7t4RfPPByACYgWsV3isHbD+WT0pZ9667cBS2hHUd4S poeOfoqpmpHqfSeqM/gOiEBuD0FKOAt8XF5ice0/K7F1+Q7BET p5BsTG8kHHbs4t1sr2nXpGFLQLDqKpmOnHd8QCOVYwawyAhop9 cl1UIlYmMplh0y2Ke5Riu8b3nVnuKAFaBJwVTip6H Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought the TR4 door pull "nuts" for my TR6 and ended up using the TR6 nuts instead....it's all here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/InteriorPanelInstall3.htm Why did BL ever stop using that classy TR4 door pull? -----Original Message----- From: alan salvatore Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:58 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in place of them, that secures the screws to the door that hold the interior door pull handles for a TR4. Original part # FS2758/4 I don't see them listed by any of the usual sources. Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 04:31:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E177B4225D for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:31:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9537C40EAA for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail70-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.245) by CO1EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.243.66.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from mail70-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail70-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8D02401C6 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:35 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:imx1.tcd.ie; RD:imx1.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail70-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail70-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1355052632841142_20899; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.248]) by mail70-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21004C010B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx1.tcd.ie (134.226.17.160) by CO1EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (10.243.66.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:32 +0000 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub2.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.15]) by imx1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE7648E4 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.69]) by winehub2.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.15]) with mapi; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:29:53 +0000 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:29:51 +0000 Thread-Topic: Side screens: devil is in the detail Thread-Index: AQHN1gCBlgD0ppVC9USCgS3cKHAHqQ== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-IE acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Side screens: devil is in the detail Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have just received my recovered sidescreens back and was looking forward to spending some quality time fitting them. Having referred to several photos and also comparing to some spare frames I had, I noticed that the arms that fit into the sockets have their brass wedges fitted on the opposite side to any other I have seen. In other words the wedge is facing the door panel rather than into the car, as seems to be the case with all other examples I have seen and which makes more sense. The reason the wedge can only fit on the "facing in" side is because the recess slot in the leg for the screw that holds the wedge in place is on the opposite side to all other examples I have seen. Has anyone come across this before? Regards John 1954 TR2 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 09:44:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B141B42459 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 09:44:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7765D4052E for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 09:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [71.171.28.217]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MER00F0QVTB14L0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:45:46 -0500 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 To: alan salvatore References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/8/2012 8:58 PM, alan salvatore wrote: > I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in place of > them, that secures the screws to the door that hold the interior door pull > handles for a TR4. > > Original part # FS2758/4 > > I don't see them listed by any of the usual sources. > Al, I have a pair of Moss #317-025 I'll send you if you want them. I ordered them for my 63 TR4 but they were too large. The factory cutouts in my doors measure 0.25 square, but the Moss parts are 3/8" square, which Moss says is correct. Per Bob Danielson's suggestion I found some expansion nuts at my local hardware store which worked. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 10:14:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8994640571 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:14:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AEF40522 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:13:55 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=B6N44GwwIZYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=OmYaNFAdubMA:10 a=srWv6unz0QJCtQEMRfUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 89/04-00778-FA6C4C05; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:13:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 09:13:22 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3Vb+X5qyj9VhzqSdmSMOI3YBXZdwAv4ijg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Clutch Release Bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The replacement I > purchased from Moss came in two parts: 595-000 is the release > bearing and 596-010 is the sleeve. My question is which way > does the release bearnig go on the sleeve? One face is > smooth and the other side has the manugacturer's info stamped > on the face and the edge is rounded. If I put it on with the > stamped and rounded edge side facing the clutch, it fits > almost flush with the sleeve end but there is less friction > with the sleeve. If I put it on with the smooth side facing > the clutch, it is a snugger fit on the sleeve so bith RB and > sleeve spin if you spin the RB, but it does not sit flush > with the end of the sleeve, so it sits more forward. It's been awhile since I did a TR3 clutch, but that doesn't sound right to me. The face against the pressure plate should be flat and wide; the factory bearings were flat on the other side but not as wide. But more importantly, the bearing should be a light press fit onto the sleeve, meaning the inside bore of the bearing does not turn with the side that faces the pressure plate. The face of the bearing should spin freely, but it should be impossible to turn the back side against the sleeve. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 11:40:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9AB40566 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:40:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0277A403D4 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZWMJ1k0071Y3wxoACWfgZy; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:39:40 +0000 Received: from [10.241.16.154] ([174.228.71.220]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZWfP1k0044l9j5J8bWfRHX; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:39:38 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?TWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lz?=" ,"Triumphs" ,"Triumph" <6pack@autox.team.net>,Spitfires@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:39:37 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1355078380; bh=Kgp3rWPuydzTc9EwLIrOaqTsOgvZY9asx1ggA+h/FqQ=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mbp29zmOhsoxo1xuoMEBFXITR+KzWpCa9RzW8DKDazBWjUImoGmuYdojmNs0CFpjJ HJijHvBaJYDXL0Od9Ds1vAXvqGiROc3OQPniHe79zDxeBs610NZAwXeRjCo10wu2NN oOJIX35dxC7p8LJsc+qDkR0H2xixx+rDoCd873wwLNj4m8UJC9U09UYsX91xVww2B0 qZsZKn+EX0liBYtUvdhDLBRX8CEn6ohImGCe+axTyZGvvPnbPBdivwQ4i1i9so4p0q aZinOH5/M9HoZwl4AgsWmk2BMC3cEur0Qgra7vgpGBVqBZhdg+EeuRZCyHEiucAM4o ajxIjmz7Vx+/w== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Archive_search?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Works for me! What happened? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Triumphs" , "Triumph" <6pack@autox.team.net>, Subject: [TR] Archive search Date: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:30 It should be working better. Link below. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 12:32:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D67E4054B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:32:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503D040514 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1879A137B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:32:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:32:37 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Archive search Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net spook01@comcast.net wrote: > Works for me! What happened? > A minor software incompatibility, just had to update some libraries. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 15:56:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3380040E41 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:56:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ED44052E for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2012 22:52:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.168] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2012 22:52:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2012 22:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29349 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2012 22:52:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355093569; bh=9vY0JvIr9xnBWHKC/u3XNUcEvunsm/xOV1QUTiVciHM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=If+GEHPSryueUDAM9g43yIso7lXgSf2hgfulS6tlL6UJn3+K0kjm2Q6IpAaJB6xi+MYavld3W5XqNIz0UaiwuoVYDiZobas/UIrA8t0MnLhPo9Gdnh09pRD8wJ6zG2oE5caVWQ045Q4XuvHZGYaZmmeO/ibtk1b9mB//dw/MdvE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XcCZYkVqd/psX10bxQ55988jYM9kVtPXZSW8wQ+WvTmyFW2swh8BsD5cnE6AI6uEQiRxWXZuWA9kbndPK5xd5NxktSf6T0AbN4TqlVMeM26EXqz+k9d4cdkGUDqiOg1W44VIQpNpki2OOYuqoh4ivKFVeDXRCRKzNPzJSoqGu3o=; klgTPNgzkxNj2cLI.24HFVWWWpkjy0O3GkZRYM2IMuq4MiQ8S0by0sSf3bVC ME318x8_8di4iWryrw3bXL7TB6xKABdKadl9W99IJ5QnvsOtqFXqx8U.LNKt lKjarbgFY_in9mxsV8dN_.n.c8iQ_f2PiBGDiP3H5PXwbX8v.hHhMTcWmIHW epPzMvTpDghBpIni9254XxHr17lE0_8C2LtCRHtRfY7Vp3jjuhp8Qu8Z_y5N dQ0NNKCOVtT.TH7toGjAq2Yx6MopBEiWWs9vLvbSZCeJeOEedTJhm1PlJnT8 tfZUhT9gTfWN4ZaVMswQtF4PC3nb7_mKScvPIlEDahy8.ta4qMejwtMHq1gN m4wjwS.rCUBTzVXIy7YFoIR4acmi9suR2CcMSeXWUTFE8y0OSUbIdjklWEhB NuNcHIPJe9eEvq5UCiiWE Received: from [71.103.140.143] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:52:49 PST Z2V0dGluZyByZWFkeSB0byBmaW5hbGx5IHB1dCB0aGUgbmV3IHRocm90dGxlIHNoYWZ0cyBpbiBteSBjYXJicy4KbWVhc3VyaW5nIHRoZSBzaGFmdHMgdGhleSBhcmUgMC4zMTAyIgo1LzE2IiBpcyAwLjMxMjUuCmkga25vdyBpdHMgb25seSAyIDEvMiB0aG91IGJ1dCBhcyByZWFtcyBhcmUgYXZhaWxhYmxlIGluIDAuMDAwMSBpbmNyZW1lbnRzIGltIHdvbmRlcmluZyBpZiBpIHNob3VsZCByZWFtIHVuZGVyIHNpemUgYWxzbz8KZXZlcnkgdGhpbmcgZ2V0cyBob3QgYW5kIGFsc28gd29uZGVyaW5nIGlmIGkgZG8BMAEBAQE- References: <50C4E755.7080200@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Mark J Bradakis , Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 carb throttle shaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net getting ready to finally put the new throttle shafts in my carbs. measuring the shafts they are 0.3102" 5/16" is 0.3125. i know its only 2 1/2 thou but as reams are available in 0.0001 increments im wondering if i should ream under size also? every thing gets hot and also wondering if i do ream under size will i experience seizure once things get hot? love to hear your experiences Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 18:35:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE9E40556 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 18:35:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7644054A for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 18:35:15 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=0twq8dPqrboA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=wb7hlXI_QkYA:10 a=BEKiGEh2kgEJatTvuqAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 06/D3-00785-E2C35C05; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:34:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:34:42 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3WYE/wj0w/UjjsRbiGU5LSt2/8+wAFFlPw Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 carb throttle shaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > getting ready to finally put the new throttle shafts in my carbs. > measuring the shafts they are 0.3102" > 5/16" is 0.3125. > i know its only 2 1/2 thou but as reams are available in > 0.0001 increments im wondering if i should ream under size also? Don't forget, some clearance is necessary to give the shafts room to turn. I am fairly certain that the intent was to ream to exactly 5/16" and the required 'running' clearance is built into the shafts. The replacement bushings that I got were already sized to 5/16", and so my 5/16 reamer only cut on one side where I hadn't got the alignment just right. I've lost track of just when that was, but it was a long time ago and those carbs are still working fine today. In operation, the air leak is smaller than you might think anyway, because the plate & shaft get sucked against the side that leaks. The impact on actual fuel mixture is fairly miniscule, especially since the mixture gets adjusted at idle (where the air going past the shaft is larger in proportion to the air going through the venturi than at any other time). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 10 09:40:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22864064D for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:40:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from de08ip008.honeywell.com (de08ip008.honeywell.com [199.61.24.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB6540551 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received-SPF: Neutral (de08ip008.honeywell.com: domain of davis.heglund@honeywell.com does not assert whether or not 10.216.14.57 is permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=10.216.14.57; receiver=de08ip008.honeywell.com; envelope-from="davis.heglund@honeywell.com"; x-sender="davis.heglund@honeywell.com"; x-conformance=spf_only; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (de08ip008.honeywell.com: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@de08ex5002.global.ds.honeywell.com) identity=helo; client-ip=10.216.14.57; receiver=de08ip008.honeywell.com; envelope-from="davis.heglund@honeywell.com"; x-sender="postmaster@de08ex5002.global.ds.honeywell.com"; x-conformance=spf_only Received: from unknown (HELO de08ex5002.global.ds.honeywell.com) ([10.216.14.57]) by de08ip008.honeywell.com with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2012 09:39:16 -0700 Received: from DE08EX3004.global.ds.honeywell.com ([169.254.4.109]) by de08ex5002.global.ds.honeywell.com ([10.216.14.57]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:39:15 -0500 From: "Heglund, Davis (ETS-Elec)" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: re: 68 GT6 for sale Thread-Index: Ac3W9OGhBu7CsSh2TIqkgCouHWZ1Aw== Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:39:15 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [146.167.154.173] Subject: Re: [TR] 68 GT6 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an early GT6 bonnet. It has some dimples, surface rust near the right headlight (which I treated and painted some years ago) and a smallish dent in the front. It's not pretty, but solid. With a little work it would be completely serviceable for the '68 in CO, or another Mk1. It's currently on my '69 (languishing in the shop), but I plan to replace it anyway with an appropriate GT6+ bonnet. If anyone is interested, I could send some pics and we could talk about remuneration. I am just north of Minneapolis (yes, we just got 16" of white stuff), so you'd have to figure out how to get the bonnet home. Dave Heglund davisnlinda@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 10 18:56:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22409407AD for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:56:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265D940562 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from home45dd83c8be (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D52F6585BE7 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:55:19 -0500 (EST) From: "davewillner" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:55:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Lucas ScreenJet instructions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was fortunate enough to find a really nice old Lucas ScreenJet assembly in excellent condition for a very reasonable price. Its the model 2SJ, 12 volt and has 3 terminals, A,B,C, and a + and - side marked as well. Also picked up an old NOS Lucas switch, SP2 100, to go with it. I'd like to find any accessory information or installation instruction pdf or hook up sheet to go with it. Does anyone have a pdf or an old instruction sheet they'd be willing to share or copy for me? Appreciate it, thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 10 20:06:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E0C4068D for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:06:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363F04068C for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:05:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id a3561k00353lu5001357H3; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:05:07 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "'Triumph List'" References: <0B6812D9FAE04F95AA59F3BAE1F442C4@home45dd83c8be> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:03:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas ScreenJet instructions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net perhaps this link will help: http://www.retroclassiccarparts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=148&product_id=1338&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=155&vmcchk=1&Itemid=155 -----Original Message----- From: davewillner Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:55 PM To: 'Triumph List' Subject: [TR] Lucas ScreenJet instructions I was fortunate enough to find a really nice old Lucas ScreenJet assembly in excellent condition for a very reasonable price. Its the model 2SJ, 12 volt and has 3 terminals, A,B,C, and a + and - side marked as well. Also picked up an old NOS Lucas switch, SP2 100, to go with it. I'd like to find any accessory information or installation instruction pdf or hook up sheet to go with it. Does anyone have a pdf or an old instruction sheet they'd be willing to share or copy for me? Appreciate it, thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 08:05:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D06406B6 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:05:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D9940696 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:04:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from home45dd83c8be (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7E6CC585C15 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:04:02 -0500 (EST) From: "davewillner" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:04:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Lucas Screenjet instructions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Found these two links if anyone needs or is interested in ScreenJet info. http://www.flickr.co...N08/6908954707/ http://www.flickr.co...N08/6908953045 Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 13:55:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44D540E49 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:55:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41E6A40E2A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10854 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2012 20:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host164.hostmonster.com) (74.220.207.164) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2012 20:54:06 -0000 d=hamengr.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To:From; bh=EhL+iTI/nb+gUcKEkm4G8gj6qm1FI2eDZsqXcbHB26w=; b=G8wJs86ZfIVrhEd2nT5pyYuqNQkjj8awJ6EGe2PH5LhrnNGERmL5NJ+IYZaX+3YDk+3pj/ZPhLCOG0FO57bR756iepvXItPKKiPNH1amZoXiffg0/wZZ5yJqZe35FoCj; Received: from [68.118.37.33] (port=3299 helo=davehome) by host164.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TiWq6-0005eM-7N for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:54:06 -0700 From: "David B. Hammond" To: References: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <16A5E63F7A41457D984675DCA7DB3241@Shemp> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:54:12 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3VuiOCejH9rsKKSWmPO8/O8ZPSrgCJx7OA Content-Language: en-us {sentby:smtp auth 68.118.37.33 authed with dbh@hamengr.com} Subject: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have removed the mechanical fan and extension. I have heard of the need to install a harmonic balancer, but I don't know why? Any discussion about that? David TR3B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 14:03:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24C440E3E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE349407AD for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:03:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aFUV1k00Q0x6nqcA1M2Qkz; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:02:24 +0000 Received: from [10.253.161.239] ([174.252.156.118]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aM2C1k00y2ZYxjA8YM2F3x; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:02:22 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?RGF2aWQgQi4gSGFtbW9uZA==?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:02:22 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1355259744; bh=MSoERUWsrEwWZ2vhypE4bAQtinoZSm9N70gRTqeEl24=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KEF2FR489ZOXniy9kFgzUWo88vHn20EZYYBJKBm+6vqluZK7SQ8xDGcsAXCcP1VwS WUuZWV+bAjEGejnRrdEi1hiOk6n7Fo26Z6QNl3rq200Y5MS8fIC5metfNS9uwVjq8Y LJLiEnEEbUdslZm38eviq9SKfsLM6IRA6nqUprCkvaddmNzhw6Zt6W57asp1EJTSgN cKfK9v198QeWAsqWS84GPxON5KkZZhEUG0sWRUUuOE3IuWooly6ckNdf074LHMYsNk WgQbTv7oTLlQZZNU47KSr1J8162BQdzIM31xwBaGpOAUWEIFGqMbBOaTgaRWGjI2AO QCKFGMppZG/zg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?T3/4=2C_fan=2Cextension?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, if you always show up with a harmonica, you'll be the life of the party even BEFORE you start chugging tequila and singing off key! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "David B. Hammond" To: Subject: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension Date: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 14:54 I have removed the mechanical fan and extension. I have heard of the need to install a harmonic balancer, but I don't know why? Any discussion about that? David TR3B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 15:39:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337D640E4B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:39:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E1340E36 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:38:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2012 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.162] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2012 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2012 22:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 62457 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2012 22:37:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355265473; bh=wgKHnQs9HHnky0vr277AQbngemWTgJ0ymBdm/t5H+AQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sUeLpDdGzLIoE5krKA2+2IHyw1hAnaqB84hc6xuLN9i5JTfREB7U7M5laDqH2phr6+xpR0HLRtYgxsXV8QqXeoZCGrs0SCIj1SXpQMf2nEOQsgOt3NwLEh1xNil4SztbpGjWWjhhVDUsplMDHXpgyLeS0N4NC0QXUSbnlj1xAAU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fcvv5dVJvHDp2tcocidZOgh9g4I8yu6kkALV6iokUjUL3kg6RSNv7IvREVYLwR7L1/CqzImow72AZb2+B5fAJq1ZkC+IFWOejYjOEafbwFn09biGcyXdN4mR60pAL5bmeCOjfBHy99TUhzdkWcWqxUA6sIbdv9lBWVDwp8fPZLQ=; sLVTEPTMEU2rXpHvFGTL_g9cnsyVM_DPfydHCv1zrjNllgeRSLVQihAlrabI hjUTDM52wN6jLiSYT9slZTGXTyxcbrrs7xPGI2FxBw_WiQO911qb3ygQK3tC UXPSUyuxK4.hx36KgOAsTYaMqy1JkQfID5Ze3r9JXoKVKLyVnyhD9Z5Tqybw cqe2W8.wany6XVSpDz3gJUmpfbxMRC0rVuQv_jyFdeakYb8AsSvh_XTDXeuE QEP8q_0TyKn55EBtc5dCb_bLq2ZQ3.yVLhRZENBnSA1ny8rrwzebFdN0V1nE OnB11CYA4XyQySVX3sEYsj1dieG9JBxY7VwajJwj.N5BDiIcENuI5hvNaYYe 1cHAG7QwixCQd3VA6CMWyiF4tzKngToXGyG_JkS1BvaMCu5nMBc8dnhG_1.v GxCniIVBqTEpkHUmzXsbnhXDIvNujTRy8Q3KDPkL7TGorDowDNBQGHG2hN77 ufa1uXhORYSw- Received: from [74.110.25.15] by web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:37:53 PST SGFwcHkgSG9saWRheXMgTGlzdCEKSSdtIHNvcnJ5IHRvIGJvdGhlcnRoZSBsaXN0LCBidXQgd291bGQgIkcuRC4gSHVnZ2lucyIgPGd1eUBnZW5maW5pdGkuY29tPixQTEVBU0UgRS1tYWlsIG1lLiBJIHNlbnQgYW4gRS1tYWlsIHRvIHlvdSBvbiAxMi03LTEyICYgSSBoYXZlbid0IHJlY2VpdmVkIGEgcmVwbHkuIE1heSB0aW1lcyBteSBFLW1haWxzIGRvbid0IGdvIHRocm91Z2gsIGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlIHNlcnZlciB0aGlua3MgbXkgRS1tYWlscyBhcmUgc3BhbS4KCi1Db3NtbyBLcmFtZXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Guy- Please reply! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Holidays List! I'm sorry to botherthe list, but would "G.D. Huggins" ,PLEASE E-mail me. I sent an E-mail to you on 12-7-12 & I haven't received a reply. May times my E-mails don't go through, because the server thinks my E-mails are spam. -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 11 17:01:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABFF40E57 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:01:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f41.google.com (mail-da0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6068E40420 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id e20so22010dak.14 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:00:20 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=daTeyjs2qpTJVEY0wZdGw5vwvza0lx7BYYWGcWr3FxI=; b=D8xlsR+Mg0sMkoy/rzqra0lSU84BGLLA5eJSkeiTjFSIsoGSPHWPLw860dcv5BfWrf zP5QAfvBAXW4GN1HS4QvzxjEV7kSiit38328D3oStiW8aicnqftnbGkHd7Qh6niWJiL9 Gqws+ZPl3q/NWy/yTqIpdCZ6NmNNRtvIbpvSvXGp1M2I1XN/asVXEYxgy4WUjrGJXgE7 MUoRi+bYCdkRybSdddUbzN8ojbsYLHzeI08dCwkMfNE0bOds81sHeipgLtwLs/Gl5oho ohMErF8zJtqxIrrHex8aNJuXsap7rfESY6XYno2GFBA04n99y2c9l2RzR0FY47hPsQ7p SVAg== Received: by 10.68.219.67 with SMTP id pm3mr53758256pbc.150.1355270420012; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from wwwbcchase.gslb.bankone.com (174-19-153-251.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.153.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t1sm14674086paw.11.2012.12.11.16.00.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:00:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:00:16 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <16A5E63F7A41457D984675DCA7DB3241@Shemp> <003301cdd7e1$ad274da0$0775e8e0$@com> Subject: Re: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/11/12 1:54 PM, David B. Hammond wrote: > I have removed the mechanical fan and extension. I have heard of the need to > install a harmonic balancer, but I don't know why? Any discussion about > that? > David > TR3B > If you keep the engine revs below the 5000 RPM redline there is no reason th install a harmonic dampener. However there is a harmonic in the crank at around 5200 RPM that is breached too often tends to crack the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The harmonic dampener is meant to tame that harmonic. If you use your 3 as a street driver and touring vehicle the mechanical fan is a good thing to have. If you do some auto crossing a harmonic dampener is insurance for those times you are looking at that upcoming cone and not the tach. If you intend to autocross on a regular basis, do hill climbs & the like you want to get the crank nitrided as well. The next big harmonic is above 6000 RPM and tends to break the crank in the middle. I guess I should have asked why you removed the mechanical fan & extension in the first place. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 06:15:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF85D40E4F for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:15:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04F740424 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id dq11so252716wgb.2 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:14:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bsvid67YzAn965ylZxPRPWqT2uyeZEgutWWF5mh+sIk=; b=YH4Sf5joss6dTxoICFhEkUSck8gs1jyQLINN0Wi+qe8r5UjpTWifEzE/yAqv7cCXYb Lobre/p5IaC17YfOzTq3xPlLSxsVK8wu90StCFCbVl25oFujhaFf8qxEP/jTTpEVcQik OHpcaQdQb7qvAZvVCDXwKGl4yR9HiuyWvEOcpGef/K+VPFL8iw7fS1v7T3eB09FtQgOK g86e8RWXNdTC3MIK5MYN2ITpYltGu8Ulywgx4DJkG18k4ycWvl3gk8YOS9Xobn+amzPz OBv9BPuFCrO+dRDkQYLoy9wZybrG6w+dpCzrYp6YDymseVNhw6njC4K+EvNYqtN7Lq6b AuOw== Received: by 10.180.20.176 with SMTP id o16mr3035125wie.10.1355318087210; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.11.80 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.11.80 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:14:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:14:47 -0500 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Anyone near columbus who can pick up and ship a panel for me? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is near Galena/Westerville. Its 48"x18"x2" - its alot to ask, but would appreciate the help. Thanks! Chris 54 tr2 63 tr4 73 tr6 (in pieces) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 11:35:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0105D40E5C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:35:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442D3403FF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:35:15 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Q4G4oRtRvWwA:10 a=nWl0JMYG-4Bqp8lcwo8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 17/FC-00785-13EC8C05; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:34:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:34:34 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3X+8CAEETdiscIS4+/d+gvspYsrAAmZ6FQ Subject: Re: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > If you keep the engine revs below the 5000 RPM redline there > is no reason th install a harmonic dampener. Just to second what TeriAnn said, I have run for many years and likely over 200,000 miles (although not all on the same engine) with no mechanical fan and no extension, and never broken a crank. But these were nearly stock street motors, and rarely saw 5000 rpm even during the occasional autocross. I do believe the problem is real though, so when I build a motor that will still pull strong out past 5000, it will have a dampener. Since it will still be mostly a street motor, I view the dampener more as cheap insurance than an absolute requirement. One thing I will warn about, though, make sure that whatever you use instead of the extension pulls up only against the pulley hub and not against the end of the crankshaft. My first conversion worked fine with just a big flat washer, but on the second one, the washer hit the end of the crank and only applied a little force to the hub. Over time, the hub worked back and forth against the key, wearing the hub and crank and eventually tearing up the key. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 12:51:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257ED40E5C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:51:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A704053F for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A4B741C000090 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.17]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 61567E000085 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:50:10 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com (64.12.91.156) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:50:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:50:10 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355341810; bh=kr9q+LxxFpzYSEfLZ5oxW7Etzju59mEaldSnP5IVAfQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QRvWpR2GkKCXMh1HB3UwozZBZ9NgB2ZAfOiDA+iLMlbeCskKhdCjIZYt3oPvoLjNK X9vkQSx3ZgAf4xE6AhT6QJZLPqU/xxL4T4zkz8YE6SvIDzGH8Xb4hEbb/bkuX52aEs MaxaWqkkaOHQ8G+CEsDxjo2LlaUxzK3CkPDIRjoY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950c8dff23d20 Subject: [TR] TR3/4 FAN EXTENSIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Hammond We run a modified MGB harmonic balancer on one TR and a Gillanders conversion on the other. Seems like the right thing to do for vintage racing. Intuitively, and perhaps beyond, it seems like removing about ten pounds from the flywheel is the kindest thing you can do for the crank. There is a factory history behind that much weight. Kas Kastner tried to get the factory to change the weight, but was unsuccessful. Kas thinks it had to do with the driving habits of the American market, but much of this stuff is lost to memory and is hearsay. 10# off the flywheel is supposedly worth about 200# of weight off of the car. The biggest performance bang for the buck with no downsides, methinks. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 18:48:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C4940E52 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:48:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46C2403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:47:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS3 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:47:03 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:46:47 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3Y07XLWnRtkU6pQ5y5X3iFNgqRdQ== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[BFC2DBD0:01CDD8D3] Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant. The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner Autobox. It also had A/C. These components are long gone. Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner T5 "world class" manual, which I can weigh here. I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we can sort out the new coil springs for the front end. The new setup is clearly lighter based on the stance of the car. If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 19:10:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2200D40E4A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:10:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653B340429 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:10:24 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=BVHPw_aHGsQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=TuPn5OIqPdMA:10 a=ZbWCqMJDAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=sTvtR1PAwVJ4BU5X1p4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=vKKFCF9QUIwA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:60991] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A1/B0-23502-DD839C05; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:09:33 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jonas Payne" , References: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:09:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonas, look here I didn't read far enough to see if it is weight with tranny or not, but some data on all sorts of motors, including Stag http://www.british-cars.net/mgb-gt-v8-technical-bbs/engine-weights-20051020043225985.htm Regards, Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonas Payne" Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 PM To: Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans > I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant. > > The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner > Autobox. > It also had A/C. These components are long gone. > > Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner > T5 > "world class" manual, which I can weigh here. > > I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we > can sort out the new coil springs for the front end. The new setup is > clearly lighter based on the stance of the car. > > If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 19:44:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BD242260 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:44:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D873840E43 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 3017 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355366606; bh=vaaJaKS+aZvfX3IqO99VP8USpy1FwqbxZtvOgDgSpEc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bo0rJwF35YM4rkuXJuRSTg0ZJL3iSLpuRoyC6BzoIjKaLJed6yXIoGEFxF8Y2E/WW/Kk7gct8nr0Q8nVvBRwlCK3+a9dlpVRPFGYH2QT/Q0FVErq5B2qqUVQH2JNRBsI/Sp5zQ97Cmo67/shsnyehZlDt3eKL6fQw6SNLomwO/w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p1Wzhj0SotA/VdFns4SzbjCkuNMhpceAhbBCKdmU81v7l2kRhdL0V77jXptYu/3fI8HYh+Gvx/kNRY2rGO7c2RzNn9Qf8q54pofqhmypSfmL8c62h0fAl2A7c9FnAnuYuVfGSP3df5TQKy14/2EQlEwHuIl6eF6uDiA7+u4gYCs=; Np9BDHTliyCOG4impV.5i_I_2g6xMejMcjtXTXRx5d85EwQmCBI.Gl5WWYbV sRQuf1eddGHV6rk9D3mLogobsDdO3AEOJ7pKHiLivyojbD4j7.squhwvy7aM 0DpFNqOVFn6HuiDplHDPbIJP32otzZJAmHxIxSpkfIvNgbOBOuY.cqyf.Uoa hsxoFG5PbRy9GQVK8_Or8VCmxtAyfBtwleNLxdddaNnsVbuV_kSYPnWY0bew r.6NtA26XvRhhZlIzZZBRS.vapjkssbPrCO1C92qYsaHr.iB5Hwx4eO0xQ4W ZmdnLlYt.FYI1sIEElbnpQR8pNJcfitpm4HSTvagQFntIm8j9BIQAPROCBaw 2x1ERcPRIjovsQvxmf7Lk1.sMlIJDOdxWqiKEIM79YyihO4xNGNxoc9Y0Lib N695VVuCl4pqnm2YOdl7wRsyzVeDGz8E4 Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:43:26 PST UmVhZGluZyB0aGUgcG9zdHMgY29uY2VybmluZyBjcmFuayBoYXJtb25pYyBiYWxhbmNlciByZW1pbmRlZCBtZSBvZiBhIHF1ZXN0aW9uIEkgd2FudGVkIHRvIGFzayB0aGUgZ3JvdXAgY29uY2VybmluZyBteSB0ci0zIHRyYW5ueS7CoCBJdCBoYWQgYSBjb2xsYXIgdGhhdCB3ZW50IGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgdGFpbCBlbmQgb2YgdGhlIHRyYW5ueSBhbmQgdG8gaXQgd2FzIGF0dGFjaGVkIGEgcm91bmQgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc3RlZWwgKGxpa2UgYSBzbWFsbCBiYWxsIGFwcHJveC4gMyBpbmNoZXMgaW4gZGlhbWV0ZXIpIHcBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:43:26 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of a question I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny. It had a collar that went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a round piece of steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the collar. The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but this still allows the ball to rotate. My question is: Am I right that the collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in order to move? Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps tranny/driveline vibrations down? just curious gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 20:53:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A347F40E57 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:53:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5981E403E4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:52:52 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YsNol8Ws0Cl/4QlCfgyv3YjF2mO0nm97oTApJVy/yigSTFBW0Zc01QGDpEqWDUk3; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [97.123.21.180] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Tizq3-0002OY-Of; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:52:00 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Gary Nafziger" , References: <1355366606.95507.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:52:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, There was a similar doohickey strapped the the tail of my TR4A transmission, except that itbs a big hunk of hard rubber instead of a steel ball. Its my understanding this is a vibration dampener and that the collar should be tight around the tail of the transmission.I've never seen it in any parts diagram. Best, Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:43 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of a question I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny. It had a collar that went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a round piece of steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the collar. The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but this still allows the ball to rotate. My question is: Am I right that the collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in order to move? Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps tranny/driveline vibrations down? just curious gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 22:07:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BD740E51 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:07:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30CC40653 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id asaf1k0050x6nqcAFt6GWK; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:06:16 +0000 Received: from [10.247.204.211] ([174.252.191.209]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id at611k00T4XXlcm8Yt64wg; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:06:14 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?R3JlZyBMZW1vbg==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?Sm9uYXMgUGF5bmU=?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:06:13 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1355375176; bh=/Sw0+JvNNeovbH7BedcR+GOM0lk55DSQEf+l93xfrcA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kFjc+AfpIlyVudY/8xWO7JuVbNSTF9lIpx2t3UHk2wRn10nbvYHpVxSyWAQmG081A dwOkgcMoZGGNcC69H/29XoMTrZUVYtT7BGtpyVKGs0O2PsDjKVgUt7+gABz+u0vSd8 IprctGYCsayyRGGNIXuOqMzbBxekHWKDVglWkJoQ0mWDcw76c7jHW5IAurk/ob0YaH tQIMpgfMt6z8ztAkwsMu123VoSUBOnfx9FrbeVbXqxkriMQzVfTxj5Pglz2DuqJ1/3 UTSBx+mF8+keAaAOoPQs7Rvrfr4nCQgptVDoTHSUEXneOjnuZtImCg9FqKLktP2qEv h3JhLMJT/c0Rg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Weight_of_Stag_Engine/Trans?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No tranny included, but was surprised it was only 14# less than the 289/302 Ford, both ready to run, fully dressed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jonas Payne" , Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 20:09 Jonas, look here I didn't read far enough to see if it is weight with tranny or not, but some data on all sorts of motors, including Stag http://www.british-cars.net/mgb-gt-v8-technical-bbs/engine-weights-20051020043225985.htm Regards, Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonas Payne" Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 PM To: Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans > I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant. > > The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner > Autobox. > It also had A/C. These components are long gone. > > Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner > T5 > "world class" manual, which I can weigh here. > > I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we > can sort out the new coil springs for the front end. The new setup is > clearly lighter based on the stance of the car. > > If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 12 22:09:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ADB4226D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:09:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB2F403D4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:08:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS13 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:07:58 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: , "'Greg Lemon'" , References: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:07:42 -0800 Thread-Index: AQJdjGB7ZAyFmloVmD/ZHgLX82E+ipb2xqtg Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[D1809260:01CDD8EF] Subject: Re: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, but the 289/302 is a lot more motorb&b&b&b&b&b&b&b&b&b& Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 From: spook01@comcast.net [mailto:spook01@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:06 PM To: Greg Lemon; Jonas Payne; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans No tranny included, but was surprised it was only 14# less than the 289/302 Ford, both ready to run, fully dressed. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jonas Payne" , Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 20:09 Jonas, look here I didn't read far enough to see if it is weight with tranny or not, but some data on all sorts of motors, including Stag http://www.british-cars.net/mgb-gt-v8-technical-bbs/engine-weights-2005102004 3225985.htm Regards, Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonas Payne" Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 PM To: Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans > I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant. > > The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner > Autobox. > It also had A/C. These components are long gone. > > Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner > T5 > "world class" manual, which I can weigh here. > > I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we > can sort out the new coil springs for the front end. The new setup is > clearly lighter based on the stance of the car. > > If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 01:06:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CA140406 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:06:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E0140404 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id avdS1k0041HpZEsA1w5K53; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:05:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.72] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aw5H1k0094L5TyG8aw5Js0; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:05:19 +0000 From: Bud R To: Cliff Hansen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:05:17 -0700 References: <1355366606.95507.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6598E48CB58045C7AA6A4803635CB3B5@Shemp> s=q20121106; t=1355385919; bh=ceklJGZpZDiz3ebPJXd8HO/89CHmlw1v+vFQmvVlTEE=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=O0y02cwncMUw+y1M8L6CpV/ugYS7RzokL/5DCqplqj+wIzN+VMaJO37Ld3H2IFVaA yBLb1Zc/3IP5U8Yb+ZfG6J3VF7H6xVfEtturBer3wfSIIg00JME9MTXEwWLuRa6gYe RHNgj+u+pQup3l2jHUBwr1GMpAVfv69KDqvMP/3E3965Kx0bm2vW6cOxnqLwGgeak+ JS38nEtcCtjrvR8zd7mlj3JHjz5lVPf9JZuPAifn1p5o8/+X0aW539nlnGUCG6e9+E 9jug8TXt/lCk00fuHeCG5QaY4VwL4f5weTvc8JnA0LB82pTLE2HNdufegGdQwkptC/ 8n30QxQyXEZvQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found one of those things strapped to a TR4A OD transmission and had no clue what it does. First one I'd ever seen. Vibration dampener makes sense considering it's placement and configuration. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Cliff Hansen wrote: > Gary, > > There was a similar doohickey strapped the the tail of my TR4A > transmission, except that itbs a big hunk of hard rubber instead of > a steel ball. Its my understanding this is a vibration dampener and > that the collar should be tight around the tail of the > transmission.I've never seen it in any parts diagram. > > Best, > > Cliff > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:43 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? > > Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of > a question > I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny. It had a > collar that > went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a > round piece of > steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole > in the > center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the > collar. > The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I > assume) but > this still allows the ball to rotate. > > My question is: Am I right that the > collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat > loose in > order to move? Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps > tranny/driveline vibrations down? > > just curious > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 15:47:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13620422E2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:47:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E02440446; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qBDMkBpj001820; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:46:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at Devens, MA. Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 17:39:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7234227D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:39:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14F40446 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:39:37 -0700 (MST) a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:17 a=ctP1I5ahBe4A:10 a=i8JWF2kw3eYA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8A2-SfLM0G8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=Oqoi-Pw9LFcA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=i1HkWzdcAM4VVfkf-zIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=Yfeot6ysR_DdJC48:21 a=wbljMP_UIMetEcKn:21 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:117 Received: from [98.145.70.134] ([98.145.70.134:58924] helo=GatewayPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from <308gtsi@roadrunner.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 74/1B-05345-1157AC05; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:38:41 +0000 From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi@roadrunner.com> To: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:38:39 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3Zk1oSlekFZ1tNSFu3rNO66IxZ9g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonas, I have 2 Stag engines and one 4sp non-OD gearbox sitting in my garage at the moment. Online estimates of 450 pounds for the engine is likely spot on. I didn't weigh it, but I had the full engine with all the accessories still bolted on AND the 4sp gearbox attached sitting on a wooden box on casters, each caster good for 150 pounds and no groaning came from it. The gearbox is heftable by yours truly, and I'd estimate it to be around 75 to 80 pounds. I shipped a TR4 OD gearbox last summer and it weighed in at 90 pounds. Hope this helps. Brian ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:46:47 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant. The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner Autobox. It also had A/C. These components are long gone. Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner T5 "world class" manual, which I can weigh here. I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we can sort out the new coil springs for the front end. The new setup is clearly lighter based on the stance of the car. If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 18:38:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EE442450 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:38:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A994042D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm35.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 01:35:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.73] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 01:35:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 01:35:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 63936 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2012 01:35:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355448950; bh=ltP9vhHo9IJXymzJNB0/yN/v3n9lrIdMIfM2I1PlWhU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=afpRNewMEBcvuj3/hQIopL1+Uog7AYPD6oMTeFjmSVLqjQv3gJL7YmdE4UIWQMWjYSzcVvzbGAO4MeAL2p0xzbczvu6QkghK5qxnE/kgCE8NDbQImz85D3RT7XbnrRrrf4nM7KXQgTMmZHrvbL+VdZpQzDXEDV3lQrWd6HizKX4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Iytb5vF3BzbDgQkGrtaWz+Hhjr7sGRTwYCDTS3XvcpMj8jgbrWVWpulPHi/X8/AWIcJbOtRWbgK6JsMUJ38xm5WvnlLWiRNVSIgkAtpvs9gs7DTng/Dd6v6RfgELtWzKd72NNV3WJD0UHyp5KidALAYfJI80Bx/+NQDdch32ErI=; lApT0RpNLTZmRkPyF7kO3MXSEh.VuFwDdiCu2BfmgY8Ius3mxIq15Y0dOs0a QlN7EXwy.C.vXPMrL7dc58KG5BLQQLfW6HNzKOXHKRG3kZ6YCAB0NQqg2TWQ w8E6PbK9ekWbJuqDKJlOnfYM3.OFau2ud2COK22NXyN7A2DqkeBC2R29gFtt uaPb6iUx12f7i7RLvLtgBtHbDDoby8xLax.pJMUhIUync28HqlRWUAPvnQRM NrdWQohjuZ9xY23wlVlHyr_NWCRgdb6AskwaxbwAw5ZtPAQ7dkoWBgLB9LtJ dE.BqqRJud63KkZooelq.LixhIZBkexZy7F7iG60w6XBBI3KwnYQ921BOTpv HB6f9yf1bBg2uqa_YUiysP6Upn4TraCjkT7_Ex427ez0bkTcixsqHx0OR1hU UwSnkIqYPibP0nGXUvKTOxtlgL61tKLXQkG6ZLhyd Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:35:50 PST SXQgdG8gc3RvcCB0aGUgc2hpZnRlciBmcm9tIGJ1enppbmcgYXQgc3BlZWQuICBJZiB5b3UgbG9vayBjbG9zZWx5IHRoZXJlIGlzIGEgc3RlZWwgc2xlZXZlIGluIGEgcnViYmVyIHNsZWV2ZSBpbnNpZGUgdGhlIGJhbGwgdGhhdCB0aGUgYm9sdCBnb2VzIHRocm91Z2guDQoNCkVkd2FyZCBIYW1lcg0KcGV0YWx1bWEgQ0EBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It to stop the shifter from buzzing at speed. If you look closely there is a steel sleeve in a rubber sleeve inside the ball that the bolt goes through. Edward Hamer petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 20:33:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0A74227C for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:33:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A21C40437 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:32:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 03:31:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.167] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 03:31:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 03:31:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 44744 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2012 03:31:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355455903; bh=RimPgt95tb/8aga5qHpw0inEiHfr53oZ6SiDEWENhqk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AwykrninLgY1gT29kmeEOZlDSGUxw+CaYGMEDRv+oV2fKm1E7YR20tdL3DLN9qS9xWDL0IQyP3CqT1y6jMvUGbsbxIfLvczdM24w0rgntlFNX1JKG/cOWvPTgggyw3N+P9Exgnn9izmsjOZVQR1q+3d1x1iwCK+BG2A701lsKJY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ykkUuL45yi3bSiLTrOJFKtTTadKtbOEgFqX5ORc8oLl/MhL6tsbC4FuUzWmN85HjImoSYfY1SXlcZX1GRR+Rbi07N2bAQNccV4jRcM9ZYCR9dLxCiIJExP0Kv4F4c4JMuNM8cCLMInF5JPK+LaMC3AT1LMsOYowy2S5+3y7qGuA=; O6UWFFD7VjCAjyOdwtAhBaB9a3a4swrNLQR1FzA20oS0INC87bHcptge2r_q Ip4KUWvlveD.8RW.u7msFaoEc3uHHa3jxPj0gxgNSS6FYNiUCe7VzdEMdqUe cHUxyMSQWaesCJh55bVebmZrEFU.qQC8ZDl0753caF_1RhjzVQm7Sv2lJSUT Gxr8rEeStotabvMpUDGyayEJMuoks6J0oVm2f.DhqNPAGmwPaQGFCTM54Bsk cu1RoUciAo5ZwB62Gsta47nYhicxVagRp_fo2tBwDHso6BR4Pi046WSqpK0p Isx173tLL37WRaiHjI9adVgB.AFRFx_BL128_8TaWwQF9Z3nlTpOQvk0yt4E OVOxb6zk1cCOzN6jaGH5cKl73I98W3EaxKZDreWRagVEFYRBLzPLFDfjtwqj 2NAcEV6eTfHkA49umPU8RLaSXS58ZvP6Q Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:31:42 PST SSBoYXZlIHR3byBzbWFsbCBob2xlcyAobWF5YmUgMy84dGggaW5jaCkgaW4gbXkgY293bCBpbiBmcm9udCBvZiB0aGUgd2luZHNoaWVsZDsgZWFjaCBvbmUgbm90IGZhciBmcm9tIHRoZSB3aXBlciBhdHRhY2htZW50LsKgIEkgY2FuJ3QgZmlndXJlIG91dCB3aHkuwqAgVGhleSBsb29rIGxpa2UgdGhleSB3b3VsZCBiZSB1c2VkIGZvciBhIHdhc2hlciBhdHRhY2htZW50IGJ1dCBubyB3YXNoZXIgd2FzIGV2ZXIgYXR0YWNoZWQgdG8gbXkgY2FyLsKgIEkgY2FuJ3QgcmVtZW1iZXIgc2VlaW5nIHdhc2hlcnMgb24BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment. I can't figure out why. They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer was ever attached to my car. I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3 before. Anyone ideas or experiences? gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 23:26:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D8A422E7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:26:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201154043D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hm9so208508wib.2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:25:09 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-proxyuser-ip:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=OP387f/dh20hfULQl8ti/JQ2s6KTdcy6iSInYLyG1hQ=; b=CBbtkRDKAng2Lfl5REdqSOntvjctdrKLKNtXdnIWy/Lm7TKi7GCBPC8pCIZcvM4Rjb dj1b3yvqBH2LrF62KBdF/nxUMBMnWjYAuu0XGEM+gKc+b55glvmY3qttCDfnm5zhYCmE MHxeg6lEOpuYZqtlm1bop8ZJnEdi6W7JmiqNiANL3UxmNa2RVLGT+ar2i8W6rgVxpuq8 5EtQs+s5ue0P2w9nJWjYb1krMe4vBHxnn7UzQ9vFb5ryzpk7W3j6BEhnPoyJAvI5Jspg yvWpCBXmDoM/YP23DYou7CVxnpsUitn1JkGY/NwqopiKx2GDd1azgc7KjOK9VEw+hpSb r9DA== cr8mr873753wib.15.1355466309044; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cf6sm6060057wib.3.2012.12.13.22.25.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([86.29.154.7]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:25:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dixie4" To: "Gary Nafziger" , References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:25:24 -0000 Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In UK screen washers were not fitted as standard on most cars until the late Sixties and if I remember correctly not law to have them fitted until the Seventies. Having said that many aftermarket kits were fitted by dealers and owners alike using the simple mechanical push pump action type. Electrically operated ones were only to be found on top end cars. It would appear from your description that your TR3 has had some form of aftermarket kit fitted at sometime. They certainly would not come as standard when the car was new. I would highly recommend replacing them even if you are in a 'Dry' State. At least you would fill the 3/8" holes with something useful. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales, UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nafziger" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:31 AM Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? >I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the > windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment. I can't figure > out > why. They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no > washer > was ever attached to my car. I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3 > before. > > > Anyone ideas or experiences? > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2634/5948 - Release Date: 12/09/12 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 00:18:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211FA422A0 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:18:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE11E40448 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:18:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6B0C81C000052; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dlb005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.209]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 42B48E000088; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catpusher@aol.com Full-name: Catpusher Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:17:21 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355469441; bh=oulhL1SnnR5wasA80SfOm8P62znkJlF1Ob39ww+P79o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nhDHvIf8N3oxEjbUAD9RJTTbb1pCJVgzEAe/lqwK9yPAkv+XC5S7Xz0s7kLQ6o2ws R5nlUbRM+Y6KlrIh/LSTZuyRoHjI1szVE3LqJrzj7M+GqhGc4TKePtdXVzjhwqHl6Y YZmn3Zgsx0fK0lrQD1FZcMXy573i1gi5qGurdDUY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50cad281352f Subject: [TR] Subject: tranny harmonic balancer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This item was fitted to the TR4A and is on page 27 of the TR4A parts catalogue, second edition: "WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" PN 144314 std, 132951 OD It should be tight on the tail shaft, but most of these were removed during service to make gearbox removal easier and to remove the "extra" weight. TR Regards, Hardy From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of a question I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny. It had a collar that went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a round piece of steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the collar. The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but this still allows the ball to rotate. My question is: Am I right that the collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in order to move? Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps tranny/driveline vibrations down? just curious gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 02:59:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96E34051E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:59:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09914040C for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8b84b.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.184.75]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MF000DL4MCZ0L30@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:58:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:01:44 -0500 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think the washer nozzles were fitted to all cars. The washer itself was optional. The nozzles are present on my 1957 TR3, TS15559L, but no evidence of the washer itself. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 12/13/2012 10:31 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the > windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment. I can't figure out > why. They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer > was ever attached to my car. I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3 > before. > > > Anyone ideas or experiences? > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 04:37:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3617440520 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:37:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2A5403E9 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:34:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u4so671792ggl.14 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:33:38 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:x-mailer; bh=ALanTLW4Sz+uOdk5/ouGhZJErOjCHOUGSYpxN66eKz0=; b=eVKKF8IUGoDFOHMnaJvRBhZsozeFQh4ry3wb5YEvrGeSL25bMQuEiwgqZqwhc2kUKf AC0BfVE6izbijFzOVxkg1qzNqmzDZVXGz9WV3tL17H3XO5VceFiUVIJSSOY/Zznr9cuY WffZtbZQ5/tcSUQQZ/fKT1RI6mak3pjL+paKA7C2yikwy0AGLje2ZJJAj1VJn/ICsMnA OKU8k8VzdJdG6/64m+cqEFJBfAVXZKSF3Klm172AJxQ0ya8n1IKCH61egPAihXdJVm9a U12vOytlP53woyAwf1GSUWkWss0NH8pKRcZMA4/heSYBoZe0x9fojB4SuxIt5AeZoDSP OWZw== Received: by 10.236.74.198 with SMTP id x46mr5400915yhd.72.1355484817973; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([184.88.120.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i23sm1984950yhl.22.2012.12.14.03.33.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:33:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Wise Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:33:35 -0500 References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50CAF908.40507@key-men.com> To: George Richardson , car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 1960 TR3A also has the spay nozzles but no tank/pump.John > On 12/13/2012 10:31 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: >> I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the >> windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment. I can't figure out >> why. They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer >> was ever attached to my car. I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3 >> before. >> >> Anyone ideas or experiences? >> >> gary n. John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 05:19:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A4F40527 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5767140424 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id xa7so2253286pbc.14 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:18:30 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hrrU+awBU1CgGjEL82c3aofa+n6eQMm/EdRiqH2tyS4=; b=TMT5F7jXPDV8lwbx7VPxYSSTIZQ4REC/Ro40/9WRl2ub7k8tdiXMY94msNfYse6WTd ivslvRC6gj1pEHmYlQ2p8x9Q8NIL6oNhJJ+CMc07WBRxX3phrhGqhm3Cxcd9ogou1LZl rzof4S/ycHvfl1lnb+V0/+A9OtUaNnloFShcrg4F7AVr+9agVsxk/v8bwHEzhxNSTPRL 9htxxaDryq7+kiLEHNj5FubjTmsC93+u98PRamgPRAU2uf52Mcztq3A0hoeSfqenXbsa PHSJ1jDWapbZNjx2LkbaH63MSpWerh2up886o+w7XeXM+fhUqQgRRIQEtFpcQZ0sdGsX 8Oxw== Received: by 10.69.1.71 with SMTP id be7mr15206037pbd.45.1355487510786; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-19-153-251.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.153.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d1sm3138761pav.6.2012.12.14.04.18.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:18:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:18:25 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/13/12 8:31 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the > windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment. I can't figure out > why. They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer > was ever attached to my car. I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3 > before. > > The spay nozzles were fitted to all TR3's shipped into North America (I don't know about other markets). The bottle, holder, manual pump and tubing were an extra cost dealer installation up until the TR3B. They are standard fitment on the TR3B. Your best bet to fill those holes is to find someone who is parting out a TR3. Since every TR came with the spay nozzles no one sells them that I am aware of. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 05:53:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246BB40523 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:53:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDD3403F5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:51:01 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GiMTlE02AcYVCnyL+FQz5wkuQQdjgYyd2d2WZhU03Qt8B4d221XDm4Laa+EMSB9w; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [97.123.21.180] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TjUiF-0001so-Ob; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:50:00 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: , References: <28977.42a301da.3dfc2c80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:50:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: tranny harmonic balancer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Whaddayaknow, there it is. I've never noticed that listing before. Thanks, Hardy. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Catpusher@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:17 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Subject: tranny harmonic balancer? This item was fitted to the TR4A and is on page 27 of the TR4A parts catalogue, second edition: "WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" PN 144314 std, 132951 OD It should be tight on the tail shaft, but most of these were removed during service to make gearbox removal easier and to remove the "extra" weight. TR Regards, Hardy From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer? Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of a question I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny. It had a collar that went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a round piece of steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the collar. The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but this still allows the ball to rotate. My question is: Am I right that the collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in order to move? Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps tranny/driveline vibrations down? just curious gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 08:11:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD7340549 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:11:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C244044D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:08:58 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=eBY1fGyrSZIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DCwCG1mccCYA:10 a=kzLM3PMn5B_2oL5DFLAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9F/79-05345-EC04BC05; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:07:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:07:59 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3Z9TrHtFs1UKMRQx+ibep3ki6D0AAFMABQ Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The spay nozzles were fitted to all TR3's shipped into North > America (I don't know about other markets). No idea why, but TS13571L lacks the holes and any indication they used to be there. TS39781LO appeared to have been originally fitted with the washers, although the bottle and most of the tubing was missing by the time it came to me. > Since every TR came with the spay nozzles > no one sells them that I am aware of. Moss has them listed, P/N 802-805. But I might try to locate some originals anyway, since they seem to have been very well chromed and I've had trouble with chrome on replacement parts. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 09:00:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C4140534 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:00:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ED640404 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 15:59:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 15:59:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 15:59:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 90302 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2012 15:59:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355500753; bh=TI4R9py5rTiTD4vxd4wsvbVPGbV1ZiyFTiTq/0NUS7U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NV8NrZm1QBNTz/DhbSt4uTfsN/shQG/7gUJ07FOTOdUL4wtsVTzAxiVcL/7d7kfHUKJSk3cWwnziAsXV29xFZSm83dOaFEWz+1q/My1b6nlrpo7pTvIPsHa8jthitnUVR2BKrXRxY6blIMm6xDaABph55u6uqTY7bzxah0hJmU4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DEzL9UyPg/r7h2ahBzH7v1tMxMMFIXdMks2KA8MSLwHh5Jra3tP067iDEhUPgkP6D9U5seGK5Ps4Qo79GchX+qXdSzRN4C4uNsqTuBg+XcBNE9yh+NdA2UCYQHSQf71udunChahhOQmeeH0J0xh6Un96V2KRyUGsyC6JTJtuP1k=; 6BQ15fx0wsvLYzxfxeMC.41gL6vdwGmoYXytnC6O1oDpNARdqSJkmP8rKcC0 BGCjVyp55C9.DZwn7yAlqq.cPsL0up7bzB.yxR.qZfW6ftjZw4KnbQnv.Ou8 zwIftlsQ4NIYmV2AWvypl3jXXBwCT_qOIiR.9Nme2CPfhN5oJ6k62P.KSx3H 7hQqAjny33AT_7RahQSuP75jH2fNaqYanVBQgtVcrvvksKWuDP0g_ZCOsrYz LgjrsZ27vLWxdvEhvmEDC1sKh1xiVYxuo5lsnzkz2uN7NwapaVPKb7DLOPhm 4wAtRvvCO.SexTh9ZDUsTP1EwxKVOfujkOrP9Z25AwiwCHadjgr5vhxLXZPD gXjFI1uS5fGFDkUaQmJUE0nH9OlBJmRtPf94EVZ53ZMxcQPQk5YYq1xlrOAz Q3m08XVC9ApdgOQg8yCfJgZpkK0_C.G.jM4xiA95DqjZ_fAbaDg5nNhYYYi9 44poKi6A38mH7i1yDC3_a Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:59:13 PST aSBoYXZlIDIgY2hyb21lIHdpbmRzaGllbGQgd2FzaGVyIGpldHMgaW4gZnJvbnQgb2YgbXkgY293bC4Kbm8gd2luZHNoaWVsZCB3YXNoZXIgbGlzdGVkIG9uIG15IGhlcml0YWdlIGNlcnRpZmljYXRlLiBjYW50IGZpbmQgb25lIHdhcyBldmVyIGZpdHRlZC4KVFM0MTM2NkwKwqAKRnJhbmsKCkZyb206IEdhcnkgTmFmemlnZXIgPG5hZnppZ2VyZ0B5YWhvby5jb20.ClRvOiAidHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQiIDx0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciABMAEBAQE- References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Gary Nafziger , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i have 2 chrome windshield washer jets in front of my cowl. no windshield washer listed on my heritage certificate. cant find one was ever fitted. TS41366L Frank From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment. I can't figure out why. They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer was ever attached to my car. I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3 before. Anyone ideas or experiences? gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 10:24:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DE440549 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:24:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58127403ED for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP7 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:22:59 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.85] ([99.6.62.52]) by BLU0-SMTP7.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:22:58 -0800 From: JOHN REED Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:22:57 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net FILETIME=[A9B846C0:01CDDA1F] Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't think replacements were available when I restored my TR3 in the earlier 90s. ISTR the tops of the washer jets looked like squatty acorn nuts so I found similar shaped stainless steel acorn nuts (or chrome planted?) and suitable rubber washers. They're held in place with short bolts from below. They've held up well and look good to me now and to the concours judges back then. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 14:34:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA4340EE0 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:34:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6CB403FE for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:32:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bW021k0010b6N64AFZXqez; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:31:50 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bZXp1k00W0GAcNo8PZXp8i; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:31:50 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "TTSCC \(TTSCC\)" , "Triumph List \(Triumph List\)" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:31:50 -0800 thread-index: Ac3aOQN7JVth2XNpTnS+IKigJAXTQAACM94w Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1355520710; bh=hk9oLaXuHwIZkBFaDgYgeqny3ASgBRk85VwZd6grW5Y=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dHCw0ZSH2u327uui7QuuTtu1CsLJlBKAvmsAcGBdIxDB6H7UxxGPVZ4iNCAnof2Yt 1bsHsPFlQNTnLCPZdnFajQhvY8L5JKJwB1xYXGO/6p7qzA3mRqx4+uo1sQvov6nEzj E6zEhKP0r3UDzXbO7s+Coo6DOUVC67e5YBw49E0X3VZAcnXQMggU2xh0OgMtb3hSWX FsFiIMY3jFIHXWKZdFV3RsQXTrSuL7drDtRX/f6J22R+7xHjq0gazADgjKrHhGuzFP 1b/LL1AITBwmpDpaR/7fqdcZBSidlqqZI8lmwDcKJylIFclZhFHZQr7hljuriP6Z7S L1q2sFS7jfhCw== Subject: [TR] FW: Vintage Road America - 1958! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fun movie of racing at Road America in 1958. Caution: it is almost a half hour long. There are some TR3bs. Road America, 1958: http://vimeo.com/m/49357431 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 20:52:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4495340E3F for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:52:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2EE4053B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:51:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170176pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MF100L7IZZPWH02@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:50:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.255.97.136 ([96.255.97.136]) by vznit170176 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:50:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:50:13 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] BlackStone Oil Report - 2 years later test two Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To follow up on my report to the list two years ago on my 72 Triumph TR6 running Castrol 20W/50 with ZDDP added and running K&N air filters. Since then, I have converted to using Brad Penn 20W/50, and I also stopped using the K&N filters in favor of paper filters based on the list discussion, as well as the BlackStone report indicating that my silicon level in the first report was 121. I wanted to post the results of the tests to the list but I have tried everything to get it into plain text and basically I would have to type the whole da&$ thing in by hand. If anyone wants it via email, just drop me a request to "TheNicholls@Verizon.Net". The conclusion I got from the results is that the paper air filters reduced silicone from 121 to 64. Despite the longer run on this oil test (1070 the first and 1203 this time), the copper and lead levels they indicate shows bearing wear went from 61 to 49 for copper, and 57 to 11 for lead. I am chalking this up to the change to Brad Penn. My fuel dilution went from 2.5% to 1.5% which put it back in an acceptable range. Their summary was "Nice recovery! We haven't seen a sample in over two years, but you've made nice strides in fixing the issues we saw the last time. Despite a longer oil run this time, copper, lead, and silicon have all dropped into a better range. Note that sodium made a big jump, but that is harmless additive from the oil type you're using (we compared it to our virgin sample of Brad Penn, which also had that level of sodium). The fuel dilution, while still present, has improved as well. Air and oil filtration both look fine and the viscosity is back in the proper range. Good report." To everyone on the list, have a great holiday season and a Happy New Year. Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 Vienna, VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 14 21:19:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4638A4226A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:19:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74FD4054A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id beXT1k0040mlR8UA1gHpJC; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:17:49 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bgHp1k0022xZMJ48XgHphA; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:17:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:17:49 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net s=q20121106; t=1355545069; bh=OFIKtCy2uXgl4OrbEJY3HVYDbZaZGL4yvZcagrfQUbw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=p0kcsgDaUR6S5dXDqdsBGQuNxEn9xFq26HXVD+vXAkq/mj2q+w39Ic0y/We9SjtfX TF6jkz+IopFsYxSVU2dAtkezMVcLPZvab0WSAS6Z+wuTWwAI+nRuOdR++OwJ00MR2Z 2bRGf3NBaDFiT/vxfWyNU8tBHKMm/dyptoEYzUso5dXDM0h+5ZcuyiG0ZUbS1b61vE Vz0oGGcCuOkApjfJYseRmKMu+cNgpfwNkj9IdqpMZySznvvzEtzMJd0F/AE+61wmi/ nHrurBYWhFMa1tFUD4Y+L+7L2/h419xlwO22rWNrRzuOec2jD19wembwZ3VoJOE8n9 Vnwtg1v8YhlqA== Cc: "Triumph List \(Triumph List\)" , "TTSCC \(TTSCC\)" Subject: Re: [TR] FW: Vintage Road America - 1958! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Made by Tom Countryman. I used to know Tom. Not as early as 1958, but a decade later. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kinderlehrer" > To: "TTSCC (TTSCC)" , "Triumph List (Triumph List)" > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:31:50 PM > Subject: [TR] FW: Vintage Road America - 1958! > Fun movie of racing at Road America in 1958. Caution: it is almost a > half hour > long. There are some TR3bs. > > > > > > Road America, 1958: > > http://vimeo.com/m/49357431 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 00:52:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B2942258 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:52:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AF84053B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:51:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D18AB380000A8 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dbb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.132]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AA698E000081 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:50:41 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 99.104.226.219 by webmail-d138.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.28) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:50:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:50:41 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355557841; bh=jNokvDz3EYcmDlpO/FW82CKAyiCLmgCmMdW1TuAUQFQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ddSi+04zhTV+RqrK8Xp+H9ebICCajIKrjlKgOwa/JVL45fBwFDXbTVNz1vYtN/Zdb rc1Ki12/57kLjgBKHqi6jWUEApEiVu1fRECCbIdFAHN0TaFtNQRiIq9asC2TXtyMKy UbWeXIN1YgU1BwNf12ZySSbu5LvWwwy05ISFchM4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50cc2bd17d79 Subject: Re: [TR] TR transmission tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Hardy! Any idea of difference between the two transmission damper weights, or why they have different part numbers? I was planning on NOT transferring the weight off my standard TR4 tranny to the rebuilt TR4A OD tranny - the OD section seems to be 25lb over the standard transmission tailpiece... and adding more weight to that, seems overkill doesn't it? Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 This item was fitted to the TR4A and is on page 27 of the TR4A parts catalogue, second edition: "WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" PN 144314 std, 132951 OD It should be tight on the tail shaft, but most of these were removed during service to make gearbox removal easier and to remove the "extra" weight. TR Regards, Hardy ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 12:39:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E748642258 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:39:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F7140528 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:38:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2012 19:37:44 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.95] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2012 19:37:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2012 19:37:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355600264; bh=+uGElkDYI/1Z6OU0+zSquxbu8bT7E8qI6PHNFOtrgKA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LR5KSTXViNcVtNGdKlv2cUl9KkM8KRW/w0+d7J06dvQrKtO3pZYdoafrMcQC50zY2NGm4RmzmdAYSyvpPEu6a3QSLyn4TzBld+Yjt+89JjSguuqrbHwfQoWMn2jFdYvmZ4uf3fvQlzLBN554LlpND/liBrpYLvAS1cQB78bBPSo= obk.v0u01ljVx2nSR3jB4vL7C4gxgy35IAIBJJ.wEp19nHMkvfRx_i9inhlR ae779FWuZKChwhA9lVIq981i8X5VMOAWTif3fCuubU4BVMlK2A7T2tsJncAd 1MZeWMgALqSNnJ6Cv3VlSwt9Uj_LNVLujWCvuiv82mTb2rUBhpAARpmN3C0D zjL1WfhSTFMOcFN_IalZ0bqe4NyGZzu7myxA_p1pF0CUv9fUFvQjt9aGKrUL jHNDWq0ec_vBlL1XYCkBx_s.ysT4wybUIC2E3_ruQRAVeSy14JCTOG6xt2Cj fBRkOzFtIoFxU4XH6YGIUHz2rE9m4EieyVxXcxkRBZ0VDlV7GqI6zlJ_WlYU JkDwpExzcjibJ3UsLSvfSlHuxTK0mWc5fi6s.Z53aY.ZoTfFGMJdvbwBp0sB 4PXec7Tw.nyf01N7s0jo- Received: from [192.168.2.2] (hdrider570@75.36.246.39 with plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2012 11:37:44 -0800 PST Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:37:43 -0800 From: "hdrider570@att.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR transmission tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All I can tell you is that years ago I pulled a tranny from an unmolested 1963 TR4 with OD and it had the weight. Judging by the reports of the finances at Standard Triumph from that time I don't think that they put it there for no reason what so ever. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 13:38:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1406742477 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:38:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D52142461 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:38:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MF300IFZALT8652@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:37:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.238.190.118 ([96.238.190.118]) by vznit170158 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:37:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:37:05 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tail Weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net At the time that the weight was added to the tail shaft of the transmissions, the normal speed limit was 55 in the US. At a constant 55 the shifter of the TR4 would "buzz". This resulted in a lot of complaints. The solution was to hang a weight from the Transmission. This changed the RPM of the harmonics from 55 to another spot. It was still there but not in a spot where one drove at a constant speed. There was a engineering bullention issued on it. Was retrofitted at the dealer if the customer complained. Dean Tetterton ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 15:16:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D769C4246E for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:16:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651594056A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bwAa1k0051GXsucACyEVLB; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:14:29 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id byEU1k00Z2yr1eL8UyEUiA; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:14:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:14:28 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: brithish-cars@autox.team.net, mntriumphsgroup@yahoogroups.com, loon-mn@yahoogroups.com s=q20121106; t=1355609669; bh=zfw4VOftSMOKlZZMBvzFWgJ/Ia1J+WLvu1kbeVsj5Sc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=W0YY3jNzjzBky+cCkKEfGIJo3Adms3b+x9x/jSKUhsGvoRlE3jO7F8ipVufQPaqcg HSXTtIhakPr+ZcwvTnNQp0X7TfkC6qoa6yomVBlmRHLA3AUnKSqV/lBR6wARlC8Elo 5jjh5SakSBZwih6RdJKEn6SA/0MeTzifPHXcqj1CJjhDYdGM8UMcj/LXICKFwkbbvZ P2AZd02gs4UMZ91OZgD7Z3PquGMX7wlUKPxrY/I4NeXX+rU/YdT1zr+2/PfjmyVzH7 YKVCoDm2EJ7Sklq+w0O+wED8IxXNsFMrwaHoXRrUUX5qI3+pyXycqmNzdWI64nql7z SSqPQdyC8D5SA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Britcars on Motorweek Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Today (December 15, 2012) I was watching Motorweek and they had a segment on the Back To the 50s Weekend at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds. John Meyers was there with his pale blue TR4 and had a speaking part. His Triumph is shown here at the BTTFW in 2006: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/182030510/in/set-72157594178868028 Mark Brandow of Quality Coaches was shown driving in his black MGYA saloon. Same car is seen here at Ellingsonbs in 2006: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213603234/in/set-72157594234621685 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213604887/in/set-72157594234621685 It will probably be a couple of weeks before the 12/15/2012 episode is available on the website at: http://www.motorweek.org Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 16:02:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B1640E37 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:02:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DF94053B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:01:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id m15so4021759lah.14 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:00:37 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=x+iQhS+guuuWRkOU4XfxdpLWXlUf/xbBtl5u1c9iiBc=; b=v3J1+ftEwM/nB1OC4rdogdb2Qb0jGn2NdNUOplasNI/TyeEJbrph0RYS4/l8Vw2HKo Mln/xpYMA1lrt4SLUOAGP81Ss7AmiFJMMPPjrR2wz37ziEp6QybZYyt0dxizcDDh8jYk i47dmw2qlhzSxuzjlstiMc6o4JYASP0IcghZZN3gCAvMyxX2B26WeiTmbOuiny8sgwEv b5Be0FUKP0KrxaWxqxya7+OMcyzH/iTBUTa2MRzREOUSDOj50HD0PmTOeVfguLxyw9ay tqNuNUNn0PedBmvriAkxBtU6UhhoCGPA+9470LwydCxbQZHK55zk8e2MC4Gi6+kaJG+M c35g== Received: by 10.152.109.173 with SMTP id ht13mr6494537lab.12.1355612437391; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) References: <50CCD187.5000202@att.net> From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:00:17 -0500 To: "hdrider570@att.net" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR transmission tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my 63 had one as well ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 16:17:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDBA42475 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:17:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2904053B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:16:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20121215231546.DQWJ10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09>; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:15:46 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id bzFm1k00D3enFnk05zFmGu; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:15:46 -0500 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=9QpmzHyqlP4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Q9QsldhvY3sZdpC5LNMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Dean Tetterton'" , References: <2714098.157692.1355603825500.JavaMail.root@vznit170158> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:15:44 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHkmF20E9wdaXylP4pfax6UR1gT/ZftAm9w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tail Weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting. That was definitely a late, after-the-fact change since the national speed limit of 55 was enacted either in the Fall of 1973 or slightly later if I remember correctly. Connecticut had a state limit of 50 MPH for a while as I travelled to college in the Fall of '73 and the new, national limit was a month or two later I think. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Tetterton Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:37 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tail Weight At the time that the weight was added to the tail shaft of the transmissions, the normal speed limit was 55 in the US. At a constant 55 the shifter of the TR4 would "buzz". This resulted in a lot of complaints. The solution was to hang a weight from the Transmission. This changed the RPM of the harmonics from 55 to another spot. It was still there but not in a spot where one drove at a constant speed. There was a engineering bullention issued on it. Was retrofitted at the dealer if the customer complained. Dean Tetterton ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 16:50:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DE24246F for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:50:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08D0540570 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:49:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15857 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2012 23:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.119.170) by smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.47) with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2012 23:48:37 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:48:45 -0500 thread-index: Ac3bHheTkPXtP3ZiRiGqK/FG8pVzQQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash cluster wires, I have a single white wire. It is not the wire for the ignition switch nor light. Any suggestions? Could it be a live feed for the heater rheostat? I would have thought that should be a green (post-fuse) wire, but I have run out of wires from the loom and that is the only switch left remaining. Bear in mind that I am reusing an old harness which had undergone "modifications" in the past. It's great fun guessing what wire should be used for each indication when several have been spliced and replaced with teh wrong colors !! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 18:28:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9174247E for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:28:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCD740697 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:28:00 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=P2Jfc7rhjr0A:10 a=OOrmDhKYBT8BwdM_qPIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7D/14-05345-B532DC05; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 01:26:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:26:54 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3bHheTkPXtP3ZiRiGqK/FG8pVzQQADaWYg Subject: Re: [TR] rewiring a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash > cluster wires, I have a single white wire. It is not the > wire for the ignition switch nor light. Any suggestions? Should be only 4 white wires in the entire car: 1) Ign switch to red light 2) Ign switch to starter switch 3) Ign switch to fuse block 4) Fuse block to ignition coil > It's great fun > guessing what wire should be used for each indication when > several have been spliced and replaced with teh wrong colors !! Why guess? Just buzz it out and you'll know it's right. My original harness has faded until the colors aren't visible at all, but it only takes a few seconds to identify each wire by where it goes. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 20:59:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13234424BB for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:59:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989DC40E4D for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:58:55 -0700 (MST) a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:17 a=9gr_CBU1jdwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=YrX-j5gQoV8A:10 a=pOYCsbuts5k2lYzfjygA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=zA4u6z9npwg2ggvHkvYA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:117 Received: from [72.226.35.89] ([72.226.35.89:62457] helo=PeterPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B9/15-04255-CB64DC05; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 03:57:48 +0000 From: "Peter" To: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:57:44 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3bQYDsjqOF8i1hSNyaNp5QiEdxjQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, The story as I got it was that the shifter buzz/vibration problem was unique to non-overdrive TR4s, and the dampeners were standard on those cars. The weight of the OD cured the problem, and when I put in the OD gearbox, I didn't transfer the dampener to it. I could be wrong, but I don't believe this applied to TR3s, unless the 3Bs with the all-synchro boxes had the problem. The vibration was a major problem if you raced a non OD TR4 without the dampener. I hung out with a TR4 group at one of the Glen Vintage weekends. After every practice outing he came in with the top gearbox cover bolts so loose it was throwing oil. He had a non OD box, but it took a while before we noticed that the dampener was missing. He had had an OD box in it for years, and apparently forgot about the dampener when they put in the plain one. Cheers, Pete Fullam ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 21:35:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA940424B2 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:35:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96583406B4 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:35:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.94]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MF3000ZLWP0ILD0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:34:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl-TR" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:59 -0500 Organization: Carl Thread-index: AQKx8vHUbRpTaGwwZs4qOn/7EviK4pZSpthg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] rewiring a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net According to my diagram there is a white wire that goes from the ignition switch to the amp gauge and another one that goes to the heater switch so it sounds like you are on the right track. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:49 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3 I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash cluster wires, I have a single white wire. It is not the wire for the ignition switch nor light. Any suggestions? Could it be a live feed for the heater rheostat? I would have thought that should be a green (post-fuse) wire, but I have run out of wires from the loom and that is the only switch left remaining. Bear in mind that I am reusing an old harness which had undergone "modifications" in the past. It's great fun guessing what wire should be used for each indication when several have been spliced and replaced with teh wrong colors !! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 22:11:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5EB4252D for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:11:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58DB40E4D for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:10:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c4fR1k0031u4NiLA359lU0; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 05:09:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.72] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c59j1k00L4L5TyG8h59kNX; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 05:09:45 +0000 From: Bud R To: Peter Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:09:43 -0700 References: <000601cddb41$812c1740$838445c0$@rr.com> s=q20121106; t=1355634585; bh=uHqRGTVueLrQ/T5JmFryntmfP2vAY+JF6/jkiOUh/HE=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=AtgCNz7Dl9dW5t3j0oK/ueELqjVDrenyVRBJAfGN5FiE78WrD0d8GN/998uIKtG9G cBFHtTLxQ74LS5X4egGHLagM8FcGxQbTCXG/INLjOzBvaGRUiA3DMgxuqNijmw30P6 1JMffHrO3AOhxfAKwS94toFJdrzlcHDKQVPGeFEy7zucd8i+fn2AG95P/ShXMMHSwE hUSYiz1j2uJKl8bAPVmppdysRBoXaaJO7QJ2mWfWB2fPaGnNsIUzK7c3b1slFMk9ng 5V8dqXn4e4ei4XpmoJq1hrCn7pc7cepyat6Df15lrKxdL0aj6nCHX3Np4WCN6Hopsl sLbZgB6CJqA7Q== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >> the shifter buzz/vibration problem was unique to non-overdrive TR4s, Apparently not. My damper came off a TR4A with an OD transmission. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Peter wrote: > All, > > > > The story as I got it was that the shifter buzz/vibration problem > was unique > to non-overdrive TR4s, and the dampeners were standard on those > cars. The > weight of the OD cured the problem, and when I put in the OD > gearbox, I > didn't transfer the dampener to it. I could be wrong, but I don't > believe > this applied to TR3s, unless the 3Bs with the all-synchro boxes had > the > problem. > > > > The vibration was a major problem if you raced a non OD TR4 without > the > dampener. I hung out with a TR4 group at one of the Glen Vintage > weekends. > After every practice outing he came in with the top gearbox cover > bolts so > loose it was throwing oil. He had a non OD box, but it took a while > before > we noticed that the dampener was missing. He had had an OD box in it > for > years, and apparently forgot about the dampener when they put in the > plain > one. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pete Fullam > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 15 22:19:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A812040E20 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:19:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306DB40E20 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.94]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MF300HT7YQ8CNS1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:18:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl-TR" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:17:56 -0500 Organization: Carl Thread-index: AQKx8vHUbRpTaGwwZs4qOn/7EviK4pZSpthggAAJRbA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] rewiring a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry - It actually goes to the overdrive switch. The heater switch has green on one side (to fuse box) and black on the other (to the heater). I looked at the diagram in the garage and by the time I came in the house I crossed the wires in my mind. Again my apologies C -----Original Message----- From: Carl-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:34 PM To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; 'Triumphs' Subject: RE: [TR] rewiring a TR3 According to my diagram there is a white wire that goes from the ignition switch to the amp gauge and another one that goes to the heater switch so it sounds like you are on the right track. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:49 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3 I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash cluster wires, I have a single white wire. It is not the wire for the ignition switch nor light. Any suggestions? Could it be a live feed for the heater rheostat? I would have thought that should be a green (post-fuse) wire, but I have run out of wires from the loom and that is the only switch left remaining. Bear in mind that I am reusing an old harness which had undergone "modifications" in the past. It's great fun guessing what wire should be used for each indication when several have been spliced and replaced with teh wrong colors !! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 16 05:49:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7817442591 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 05:49:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91D342560 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 05:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id m15so4267729lah.14 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:48:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T2uzNIa5UnWnltmUpMLEAwSOAhBtnrD8pnkWwE2M3T0=; b=jcUhEqzBH6nXk4FEnma/jbRTIrhneklz9U/NHGZPdhrKdEvszS+ck9qA5HF0COnGzM f5b62Mo1B9RkI7aWfTATpe5h30OY8qzWzSk0Lys56NaOkLZh9KAf/ckS30284ENHVhmZ g0PKlCb7yZm3EIN5uWO+qWfMeXb/nukIQb831EDxuYXikABWfN/dLks3IGV9NLarZNsw ltjLQTEP3prjsxvxMwxBDc+2MNV9eX87Y9fwz2FEcJYBqnsgA4NUxewe8QN7BD2C8Hvn MtJeo12iuSA/+4pdeLInXJXZ0KfaW4H9gKWoxNhi+VJrpPxJj1C4m4bJGuAwFD2dnkfJ Vzrg== Received: by 10.152.47.75 with SMTP id b11mr7746166lan.14.1355662089431; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:48:09 -0800 (PST) References: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net> <000301cddb4c$b5a85dc0$20f91940$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:48:09 -0500 From: Chris Simo To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] rewiring a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't worry Carl, you're not the only one one this list with crossed wires in their mind.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 16 11:23:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBD6427B7 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:23:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E7040E35 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:22:38 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9QpmzHyqlP4A:10 a=F3roTRrZ_Imcl5iXEIsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D7/53-04255-8211EC05; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:21:29 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:21:32 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3bS6WLCe+AydynT++3t3y3x34K1gAa7N+w Subject: Re: [TR] Tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Apparently not. My damper came off a TR4A with an OD transmission. And mine from an earlier TR4 with OD. The OD was the main reason I bought the car, the rest of it eventually went to the crusher. FWIW, my TR4 SPC (both 1st & 2nd edition) lists 132604 "weight and bush assembly, vibration damper" as fitted from gearbox CT17815 up to CT35719 only. And while it is always dangerous to disagree with Hardy, both the TR4 and TR4A SPC list 132951 as a "strap, anti-vibration" with the 4A SPC (1st edition) noting "Gearbox extension to top cover". -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 18 01:38:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11AE4041C for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:38:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E55403D0 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AEFE31C000083; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dle002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.133]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 80F07E000082; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catpusher@aol.com Full-name: Catpusher Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:36:25 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355819786; bh=dyVWDxlMa8/NpNdIRy80sXbEwy305VFJI48VnD8L9rY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O5s7gzIVoEgp+MHnnYiAq6W0WsmForDG4ZsKRjcGzRY/JgX6FZhSZJu/vLklRrn2h 7A48KroBZMDcmLy02aQzKdw92x6V99wPQsMMOJI7h2WpfdDmKvhfqUkW6JVTWpywA9 GzoN8qry8ibwWzVHXsgMr3PlL13y257yjoxJMX9A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b50d02b0a4c7c Cc: tr3driver@ca.rr.com Subject: [TR] Subject: Re: Tail weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not dangerous at all; one of my TR4A parts books has an error, thank you Randall! The parts book that was used by the Brisbane, CA parts counter lists the "Overdrive condition" " WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" as Part No. 132604, and Part No .144314, as I posted, for :Normal condition. (sorry about the caps, but that is how it is in the the book). I have seen these on TR4As. The "Strap, anti-vibration" is related to the same problem, but a separate item. I never used these items on my race car because of the weight and service problems involved. btw: The later gear levers had a rubber bush connecting the top part to the bottom, and this bush would occasionally fail under racing conditions, but otherwise reduced the vibrations. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 12/16/2012 11:00:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, triumphs-request@autox.team.net writes: From: "Randall" Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] Tail weight > Apparently not. My damper came off a TR4A with an OD transmission. And mine from an earlier TR4 with OD. The OD was the main reason I bought the car, the rest of it eventually went to the crusher. FWIW, my TR4 SPC (both 1st & 2nd edition) lists 132604 "weight and bush assembly, vibration damper" as fitted from gearbox CT17815 up to CT35719 only. And while it is always dangerous to disagree with Hardy, both the TR4 and TR4A SPC list 132951 as a "strap, anti-vibration" with the 4A SPC (1st edition) noting "Gearbox extension to top cover". -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 05:42:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC63403D5 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 05:42:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C46403D0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 05:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id gk1so1754040lbb.0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yg7NiWqyUJvCric1HBqItwTGUO69anhAUh8oDaYHTos=; b=S4dGbKKL2aYWJGUP6Wdv4LHna91BJu8KGB6ROK0VYSwW8349HDhXSAo3ce16dRjwId BkRtDFGaXX4BVPLjQBRENKQx5brcRu9NUTcXbfO7asfJPzyGojdBae6YuttUx4DEEZxz 2e6UsyFhEQBZUNwqoimRMHl4WBjELjHzn8bRvZowSwv9FRJ0tp8C8JJVCyaSl671gaCi hw2cxzRgs/4yH7udSyAKUpUYE7O9ByyFYnzdxB7HV5zJh195U4YHvD/sggH319bal7v1 gao/FJ8/dXQgU5NQSVV52fpdOdyxN8485fgg+9P0VjisCwAe7vmjsCMMggOJqjxPlIk/ NmDA== Received: by 10.152.113.66 with SMTP id iw2mr5065900lab.37.1355920814597; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:40:14 -0500 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Spare Panasport wheel anyone? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi everyone, I am checking to see if any of you has a Panasport 15 x 5.5 FS series wheel you would like to sell. Panasport has changed to the FZ model and no longer makes the FS series. They are almost identical but not quite, and I only need one FS to go with the three good wheels my buddy already has. It will be for his TR3 that was hit very hard on the front left corner. He's OK (sprained shoulder, bumps and bruises), but the car took quite a beating. There is already a donor frame under the car and things are looking up. What a mess. Im glad he didn't give up on the car. Thanks, Jim Cain Jim.Cain@sas.com Or 919-368-6382 __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use  Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 10:24:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A3C4041F for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:24:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33478403FA for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC7FA137E for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:23:26 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:23:26 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Was just on the phone talking to someone about a clutch problem. The symptoms tend to point to a broken taper pin in the cross shaft, hard to tell without actually working on the car. But the clutch has only about 4,000 miles on it, and had a new cross shaft and taper pin installed at the time. Have others experienced premature failures here? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 11:33:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D967740435 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:33:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78E8403D3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2012 18:32:17 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2012 18:32:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2012 18:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 89141 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2012 18:32:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1355941937; bh=DPnu95h8Grnsqfd3V1XEozP0utu3rr2CFDCEUNoq5B4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vxf6kgF/U/IsA5KN39BthZtiry6dPJslIwXEYykBtEx4ZOKU8LpMENebowxNl0d3tkmpKnETWkWIiVCvjFo7qhr6Xb3o2aOtLFB48eXbWQra+DE57dvp7a91pJKQ2n3/tk+i6s2Ok8W36Z1nm6OzpWcMalH9ryBpkunyvbfVnT4= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x1uTyiXPttfB14u9jC5MSJNSVc7LqpDoZRxww2PAvdddPeiOi/jQM67Dg5QWDDueYF7yLWwAlWumDOpBcuzSaWnwlLr40bNoljl2ZAXYIxE+c0AZqOLmOBwqG4J0hW9+mer95FeJpu53mz6wbQmh0W3yeoa6yqKiHJM8+ZoiH4I=; kq0yA67ioKLSYmYZ0LjL6zAcXWbLhfUCuQRRFmXhzQVZUYLeCkJjjjkzhkdQ t0gJMnTaEhTSRU3ZR4YkVs8VUwVnMB_QFXO5477BStzGlgXH7L1D6uHx235U jVPnbbirvqOVUwOHp2t0TgSaNOZOgD44aOELpozfwPBKDGOtrP1EBUOLEZDR 0bXzl4016m8QL5RWGZw291bEze99qfxmK.PJvHaK9GD8YDBLkvw0F24FFaTU zdqFfs3qJRLFVg5nV52QAhRV_j6Oy4BsUEIK_RTY9OWnxTp.Rpd26nZzCcFX CYzJ4WN_4Zr65Qm8Lvk.3Y6RBiKE9sBOgN4uKwwNHSt.H7KMi.pnKBo3nOcF vf45N6ynxvg6u12GvYKV0gpFz_Mp79c_R4VtRecSytWltDwRKWwEmVOgnauA jtIVsE7fAOSS7fiSIVMTznHc1uvOJ4meqdUYSTyBWo3MkJ6XSafGMKIKuGX1 vXnzO4nPgjllmyhj7ljQa.282Yx0YIeT8pGy4oTe.Zo7cmDp2agHtavEaruf a8lvRduOg1zl.uAfZippOsHKeYn6S2EitaIQsJn5ad0y9IAUf0it9.U17U6O Frur8vrAxw.JYyeKtQR77E_mdijCXf.4Ax21nyzyN8Bfo00cSX6JYkc7yMA- - Received: from [88.235.70.126] by web181303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:32:17 PST aHR0cDovL2F5YW1wb3RvbmdoZXJiYWwuY29tL3dwLWNvbnRlbnQvdGhlbWVzL3dvcmRzbWl0aC1hbnZpbC93b3JsZG5ld3MucGhwP29yZ2FuaXplZDI4Ny5odG1sATABAQEB Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: Rodney Trunnell To: rod2319@gmail.com, rgt2319@gmail.com, trfspecials-request@zeni.net, triumphs@autox.team.net, Kerri@woodenvalley.com Subject: [TR] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://ayampotongherbal.com/wp-content/themes/wordsmith-anvil/worldnews.php?organized287.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 15:48:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007274040C for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:48:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91214403FA for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:48:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.194.31.2]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id danE1k00A02kypi01anFsf; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:47:15 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:47:19 -0500 thread-index: Ac3eOnpzz+Ibr7buTlGDaE6lqKsT0g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR 3 headlamp caged nut Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I went to put the headlamp assembly back on my TR3 (a small-mouth) and I see there are 3 caged nuts on each side which take a 10:32 threaded bolt. I had a total of three, so I need three more. Looked on the Moss website, but couldn't seem them. Is anyone on the list familiar with these items? Know where I can get three? Appreciate any help. Thanks ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 16:02:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3810C4040C for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:02:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC607403FA for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:02:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 83BDE1C00008B; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2E898E000085; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0500 (EST) References: <00c101cdde3a$cdcfceb0$696f6c10$@uprichard.net> To: auprichard@uprichard.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.19) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:01:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1355958070; bh=9CpZL/EfRfRFzGTxquk6PPXjCf8TewPOdrm80zZzTmo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D2RpcdfDBZ0ywRPsDmUthL75R6HZsTu01N95pUOLcpMUg/1Pxv8Z3aPp4G1hcKGxE rGhC2R/AyUJwWP3ypUQKsTsU+F4qyCmYHDzE2T3ztzCCjrXGiEIhigRL1vAAMCDdio GbVUB7rHYVOrAf/fxbY0o/iQIYWejtHNjYjUldGE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294950d247367c36 Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 headlamp caged nut Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try Roadster Factory http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=21 Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Uprichard I went to put the headlamp assembly back on my TR3 (a small-mouth) and I seethere are 3 caged nuts on each side which take a 10:32 threaded bolt. I hada total of three, so I need three more. Looked on the Moss website, butcouldn't seem them. Is anyone on the list familiar with these items? Know where I can getthree? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 16:26:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B224043A for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:26:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BFC40401 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:26:12 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=8iKPMKbV3-8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=WEFfdlXByksA:10 a=-qXVwDQ29ZEMDlRKQwEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AA/99-18568-EBC42D05; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:24:47 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:24:56 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3eOnpzz+Ibr7buTlGDaE6lqKsT0gABRD8g Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 headlamp caged nut Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I went to put the headlamp assembly back on my TR3 (a > small-mouth) and I see there are 3 caged nuts on each side > which take a 10:32 threaded bolt. I had a total of three, so > I need three more. Looked on the Moss website, but couldn't > seem them. FWIW, I found nylon inserts at FLAPS that fit perfectly and can't rust. They snap into the square holes, and then the screw spreads them to lock securely in place. They do take sheet metal screws though, instead of 10-32 (so I picked up some SS screws at Home Depot to use with them). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 14:40:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A26C40544 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:40:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpout06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout06-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 121D0403F6 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15672 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2012 21:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.98.75) by smtpout06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.224) with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2012 21:38:45 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:38:48 -0500 thread-index: Ac3e+eZSHFB4I7X6TyGKSwsv0CPkxg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Exhaust question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone on the list had reason to install a Moss exhaust on a TR3 recently? All goes together pretty well, but the tailpipe extension seems WAY to big compared with the end of the resonator. And there's no way it can be tightened with the recommended clamp. I hate to start cutting it, but. If anyone has "been there, done that", please let me know. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 06:23:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B714065B for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:23:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB6A403E6 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r1so2271511wey.1 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:21:58 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=7mjFa8B1T19KVAhegb00R+Z9rs+MDZAs0YvBytwjIYg=; b=kUeS8VAiaUWLlaN9QYL88Zs5bhnF0ip6ywXG3auum4R5KLt6LrDlpizDn/H3C27eHP b14KImeH7959n6HNPRszgeiR3KJIUhyapJAaEnDS80pmgKWO3zvSwJcgGQRJ4wWDoSUo iyTZeFFm6x71c0NFiW6JhlzY7I/930ye58fkXl0jhuRAv83Vu03g0rLYbJukXLe1Y2tj lDB/Y5Z3fKMftyUzL38FOLBtUzEFAGLfw+gD3RUWLURmKJ6LBf6wrEoGwNNTPeO8Kl5O ZWN0xy8fYQakTDcGS+TeMEjoOb9j2/WY/S11L12jxBpi/Sf12/djYrtnbnnYmND/M7YT 8LIg== Received: by 10.194.58.13 with SMTP id m13mr5239975wjq.18.1356096117856; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:21:37 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our cars were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to save the venue. http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 07:40:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B23F406AC for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:40:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA02940E20 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 93BC01C000150 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5D2D9E000085 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:38:53 -0500 (EST) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356100733; bh=hyBF5piU+gKMq7ld6qMowr67sEv5ZgVNUsy5X8s7D4k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jxmHxMOLlaN72bAP/7fpOYxVQggfR3XwuJf2mfF6mWtggZo7Hl7U64MFalaDWQ0sG P2Gw0Mv0x/I8fzW0pp98yp6fBzeDJHgzVNa0G/C9l/voiInXtUMkwjyWx8jTOIKoAx v4fLYFPMuwZF8Eygi19+QG8iRK2hZRrY9BeN9If8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb50d4747d37b8 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Let's see, 7500 luxury flats on the 77 acre site. That's almost 100 flats per acre. Sounds like high density housing to me. Oh, well. Nostalgia doesn't pay well these days. Dave In a message dated 12/21/2012 7:22:06 AM Central Standard Time, don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: > The traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of > our > cars were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiast > s-campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 08:04:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD887406B6 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:04:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D722A40559 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:04:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:03:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.165] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:03:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 76555 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2012 15:03:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356102187; bh=jCb4SrARhXpByA5YxGkbZn667Oi6Pxi5qZzSSPJZLfE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5QrNJruGo4yCrw/HQzM+fqDQxmw6LQDTROVvm6yhpEx9P5Difh7mOpF7oj7sLap3FM/7cTyrgk9gIXdULBIzT0O3kfwxckKBTPi2BfkKsO3q8lM0xHdd+oxZRmCbR+bgXnNUFASVqI4euAyfGZPltU4Fo5+p2O36ftzSpBPAx6M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XkCsockf4hZV1/IVo9rKuxZbC+wxZZsToXI55hG6Ea/Enh7pjj5C6+xlCx5ylB0wgrRrvi3PRa4wn0L7glFB0bwAdHLHCJDRr0fkWMtpjBWzLZCRbMrwqLglkn9NMI7l/Jnl7R/doz3/rcCLafywts5QLwYtwUAGoQ4gkZ6znOs=; bNQ1g6l0bfhtpUD8EdZTZqw9Ec64ORBQKCiFb.nXRS09kQfSVlWFRPs3_B.C U4_ZylQWL2o.AeCi3k3wHv0iti3NnWWPl_8VC5aW7U144_cjDzsAkTkXGcAL zZKDwWOu2ew3JfnSJ04rUz9tMecGptATr83DR5KXYIZ50y.x8MYhECS.FIZ9 I7WSnvZlyOaeLjzqTQ.T_BRCv8c5ysw.DwEmewGRiqtPC3ap387BqgnItsM9 vX2p6cH1xNDtvS75tMP5X7uH1XT3sTM6.wII7Vo9eJKSsOhJ8FQB54sUeu1m 2o3OxUM2qdG86n0tA8MPcttcleL9en3iX2QwBj7SbYHMXui970642LamtsKW OUI8J8J_SGjTP.CFkVaVANPabTChhhrb9VvEbxeI7hBJ0HrGqrDucpzdl9Z0 k7tac0T_fqRgPX._ShcD1aNAVMrEBNQOVdDBzvtWNtk.dbg2C2HJMM3Q8ItK Ev.T1K2b2XkpaeCqb6G7.MZ00bOiT0SdB5bY5C8Ne_N8YW1z27G3h0gPHjmV q1YvXrN6JhYv30AGtHvpFaaMy1.S6UbSVnwXyZxqTS5m7piDd5_9y8x7kwpB yf8H7Mu3qxg6kAfQBUnfTgLCk2IYZAiSrjv9pyDt.eNYhaCSWhOu_435bnht p4GR_pa6KBhQZSPZ4qaT1hw_HQ9ZPktvl7LM2meDzZgW8E2tFV52T5w05VHj 3Q6twJDaKj1TN6GjOa4iJPA-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:03:06 PST Z29vZCBncmllZgp3aGF0cyB0aGUgd29ybGQgY29taW5nIHRvPwppIHVzZWQgdG8gdGFrZSB0aGUgdHJhaW4gZnJvbSBsaXZlcnBvb2wgdG8gbG9uZG9uIGFuZCB0aGVuIHRoZSB0dWJlLgp0aGVyZSB3YXMgYWx3YXlzIGEgYnVuY2ggb2YgZ3V5cyBnb2luZyBmb3IgYSBmdW4gd2Vla2VuZC4KYW5kIHllc3QgdGhlIGRvbGx5IGJpcmRzIHdoZXJlIGFsd2F5cyBzbyBzZXh5CsKgCgpGcm9tOiBEb24gSGlzY29jayA8ZG9uLmhpc2NvY2tAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogVHJpdW1waHMgPFRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Don Hiscock , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net good grief whats the world coming to? i used to take the train from liverpool to london and then the tube. there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun weekend. and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:21 AM Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned The traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our cars were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to save the venue. http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 08:15:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A51F40E19 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:15:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF9140572 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:13:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.129] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:13:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp216.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:13:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356102830; bh=44w27bqPexmuZM55R+7yeVIB35+1km49mOZVG0ACAOc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=FxGcogyRznVd8ijoM7geMLQj+6qyY1cCCU2QLAbgXMxXIgUYHUY3IEGXeEOe+I2zv5alU2lzPsE5ho/56+9W1XAd5AqxDnvTe+8Zu7fVYlUIp/2UBgYtqtTu7KDIgLuAA3ULmSKB5c275hXC2K8qBjtDXhZNfOiPj2elXonWveY= JQp97RJ5EE4tPCq5JLfN.UTGPNT6fEoVXTmtl6wH2zJq1pdG1KDzaVAndZ8W 8QQgRH3MLLuc8zuUI7pwEgQN_tbEBN7m8zAJzjmGauHad.Z8VkB7FvX3Wpl. mPc54TJmmJcgLrgqVxQANhuH6P8C6840wrtyWpUvSFWsEgt.vqyH55fziRSI NljtCLNmGtzl7ygIEBm3QoZaVQWnA..isx4b..oAqi0kuGDYbJwP5iNxGV0I DqRvT2xd08.McoH0q9xxQbkdCTr1MzHIOwZux9lxMcYl15OBaDS1A7L49YwN eS8UTUFlwEj4qXpNmU7gvF6_Tw_M7YgKQJKwJzgDx1rsm9smJ0Oi31qnkF9J 7s8kS5HwBxr4T0uuu3vNGSVI4g0oehXcTmLgFcvRcPTNZ9S_uQ7N.3zn8sVY 0rYtx8p4nFjhKbJg_Wfr82zmCJWzCmIGxuRh1Do17DZNYuQgRovQcD_lUlDs wb7bMIHox2f2U4oUV Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp216.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2012 07:13:50 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:13:34 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3e+eZSHFB4I7X6TyGKSwsv0CPkxgAk2bXQ Subject: Re: [TR] Exhaust question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, I have the Moss straight pipe for TR2s on my TR3A, love the louder exhaust note, and the aluminum extension from TRF. I did have to cut four slots about 1.5" deep at the attachment end in order to bring it down to size so the stock wire clamp would secure it. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:39 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Exhaust question Has anyone on the list had reason to install a Moss exhaust on a TR3 recently? All goes together pretty well, but the tailpipe extension seems WAY to big compared with the end of the resonator. And there's no way it can be tightened with the recommended clamp. I hate to start cutting it, but. If anyone has "been there, done that", please let me know. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 08:47:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F0A40E19 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:47:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f178.google.com (mail-ia0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BBE403A6 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:47:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f178.google.com with SMTP id k25so4089692iah.9 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:45:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MRSrsVYkyao2ob6tr8lfVwLAi31Gd9IzSFcqvBrSfMw=; b=OxXz71hkQoeMdxoGugwiXhy6mHLEOPQYTzc9IaLo3paAIwB+1dKisCpCn112omNNE6 mXGSlYiZeJ6VHF/7pXoripzeIJ0y51KYTVK4rEUulABFs33sb4PFtg9bZVe4I9LYE++9 n9BinIXITBcu/ZZOVNlAK+uO/pNs2Wzg3z9NPB4/5tqNq9BuNQ3rmTwwuiXNW2KkZxRI NYV6m0mntZzf3pTzmNfYxvKa+pWuQGFwv7ZITZF82tNLiQ7S27UgAId+pzygTM+uwGnQ UDXdELxFFo9DTFIEZRnb/zD7SEbhMisREw2MOSuTvYEGP9XBnhiDgjrd5M7QK2AYtqP7 ZXNw== Received: by 10.50.168.40 with SMTP id zt8mr13010829igb.71.1356104740077; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.72 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:45:39 -0800 (PST) References: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net> <77296D8CF1B047AD9B3593C5698989EF@bboffice> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:45:39 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Exhaust question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Wbeech wrote: > ... and the aluminum extension from TRF. I did have to cut four slots > about 1.5" deep at the attachment end in order to bring it down to size so > the stock wire clamp would secure it. In that case it would seem to be quite a bit oversized as (as I recall) the extension normally fits over the exhaust pipe. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 09:00:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6786640E39 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:00:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDC94056C for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:58:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.63] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:58:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 15:58:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356105513; bh=u7am646vbzokNip1bwB4NY3KuHLMIYVr0+FqPf5glt8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=PyjZwDMtgjpHgwENB5B7YPSdGc70Wo87mYYAmGETXO69eLm0CPNEW4VnXVv9b3+iVRGe/n1/7AXsKPTcT4U4IdOXF+OysjkP/Iz+j7VpmqlcF1Bt6MF11gFWogCxsnwd8a+8IUk/tTv8vuvL8eHdOUSuu+IKHV3cQ4iBcAmFwcs= 6u1kG37FEbIbWxE9bDmpOxZCJll7_Swm1igK_Dt0rQ_hQYEEdw1FHUH5_9H3 4LBZlt0zH3gidIyyEEcYYrGGB_LuESOD2FSNgnfTPjYIr7ieDnmhWeVU35vx qMiuo.pRZD8K0.hQrbnaDoR.BQyKWmFA9HdfE7tikIg8UHvHxRIBwUHYLWJ5 rIQZw47P.EvaSqaz3SwMQUufOmIvVLU6xPJdduXb_QUpTmwJyyErudfspqio zYSatPehkvrfJF96BARyp7IoltgKpYRtH4dhz6NPSIWkchGfcDw45EWBxxe4 r9DA4aurbxrbtmbAlX3m_A_d9fgm99y7_tKUlzoWMwYErGMWWpV6VB6.2hjH z3TE3cEzwcWPSy_ESSJ.jmqQGCeVYHIGyTA8fghqXGWm5rNqrVtS1_3zf.vU raq.QLJqXlI2avGO7 Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp214.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2012 07:58:33 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net><77296D8CF1B047AD9B3593C5698989EF@bboffice> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:58:18 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3fkjrmnti+kKDLS6Shlb7Uj7jKTwAAVCeg Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Exhaust question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That is correct, sorry if I was not clear. SOP always calls for the leading pipe to be inserted inside the following one in the direction of flow. Slots are only the width of a hacksaw blade, so no real distortion or leakage. BB _____ From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:46 AM To: Wbeech Cc: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Exhaust question On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Wbeech wrote: ... and the aluminum extension from TRF. I did have to cut four slots about 1.5" deep at the attachment end in order to bring it down to size so the stock wire clamp would secure it. In that case it would seem to be quite a bit oversized as (as I recall) the extension normally fits over the exhaust pipe. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 10:04:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F8C40E28 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:04:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C53406B4 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:04:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 630441C00025A for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.81]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B9775E00008E for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:02:46 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Alan Myers Received: from 74.95.11.209 by webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.18) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:02:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:02:46 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356109367; bh=9Nfnfg3S/doxgtFNFb79DGZXVPoEGeTrXNnIjWBwCrg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J8adKlexqhQ7qQwlzc5JWHyn4rRWKRyA4T8vhgU70OGcV+nUGbMm/ROV4eh5xaqW7 knEXW3Cd23Fd2Yg4IChryEtJUFaFIChcfGKkuLKaO0unUtkOz0dm/h03HPGmUTHK8N 0NRyiCihcpVfYYrtO+6GI6HdTEDcuMdaCLDtCq7I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b50d496360681 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin? (Mark J Bradakis) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mark, I don't think there is any significant difference in that clutch shaft mechanism across the entire TR line up through the 6. Other things changed... flywheel, clutch size and type, etc.... but not the basic layout of the shaft and pin and release bearing yoke, other than the earlier shafts had grease zerks in the ends. Before you go to all the trouble of pulling the gearbox, be sure to eliminate all other possible sources of play in the clutch release system. But I'm afraid it's all too common... Depending upon the quality and fitment of the taper pin, it can fail very quickly. There is a lot of torque on that pin. I suspect the original parts were hardened and a lot of the replacements are not. There are several possible solutions... 1. Get one of the better grade, upgrade taper pins available. 2. Either the original type of pin or the upgrade, it's important to check the fit and it might be a good idea to lap the pin in the shaft, so that it fits better and best distributes the torque load on the pin. 3. Also, check that the pin doesn't bottom out and remain slightly loose. 4. Or, drill the yoke and shaft straight through and put a 1/4" Grade 8 bolt through it instead of the pin. Use washers as needed and a locking nut and safety wire to keep the bolt secure. Unfortunately, any repair means removing the gearbox to get at the pin and shaft. Even with the box out of the car, it might be difficult to get to the remains of the pin to fully remove it. Sometimes it's necessary to drill a hole opposite the pin to be able to drive out the broken bit to be able to replace the pin, or to get the yoke off the shaft and the shaft out of the gearbox,. (Note: I've make a habit of drilling a small hole opposite the pin whenever new parts are installed, because there's a good chance it will be needed sooner or later.) Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1@aol.com '62 TR4 CT17602L http://www.triumphowners.com/640 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:23:26 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin? Was just on the phone talking to someone about a clutch problem. The symptomstend to point to a broken taper pin in the cross shaft, hard to tell without actuallyworking on the car.But the clutch has only about 4,000 miles on it, and had a new cross shaft and taperpin installed at the time. Have others experienced premature failures here?mjb. ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 10:31:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC22740E24 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:31:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f175.google.com (mail-ia0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AD1406B5 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ia0-f175.google.com with SMTP id z3so4071696iad.6 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:29:38 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=saOA9Ddg13ksDPRpecfYPgU80NgWn1tOo86raTJIHSk=; b=A3eW1M+BHeZ4wXhw3q02aL7sy6tvSFq43EvY2VqKqrEVSttKrHNJgcLqv10ierSIMI FVDAx6HO2Wz1fBFOfH3KXepbMXwhI0vsKHIh5lqSawvCWovQpGdS8+uHj1yPNEhG1AxA 9opBsZ+4/ijiSLWZUTXPabisi39SHh5uzu7mNGGDPhsWOMNstB0iiW+Vc1NBxKqByrz8 qUdIaDXrtV+7hDtVs2PSi3+15dZgG1XLY4PDCscl4y4YIzxk/Fzd/MaekNpOGvm2JZJO 9hM9KbvTTf6Nw1lu/YLrQckcANER6ZRXMZZzJsQp3F/yFCO+qp0FlnkZuGOuf2RPX//C ZYwg== Received: by 10.50.16.177 with SMTP id h17mr7695123igd.52.1356110978062; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.72 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:29:37 -0800 (PST) References: <8CFADB421FE85D9-C40-3E043@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:29:37 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Alan Myers Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin? (Mark J Bradakis) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Or both 1 & 4: http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/cross%20bolt.JPG On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Alan Myers wrote: > ...There are several possible solutions... > > 1. Get one of the better grade, upgrade taper pins available. > > 4. Or, drill the yoke and shaft straight through and put a 1/4" Grade 8 > bolt > through it instead of the pin... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 11:22:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9743E40E3A for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:22:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6164069B for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.82.105.246] by nm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 18:20:56 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.254] by tm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 18:20:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 18:20:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 966 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2012 18:20:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356114055; bh=VElxG2/hfVzE39/FHSGojVuP9K+gDHhlmD0wwFyjMGE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f/AxWUkyMO37NO1Rmjsoa4tqCXgfb4YeEY68lIvyAPMnXm8cKLiMQF+xX7fezEAEeolfsoDPyGNhyte3ksnTwiYmflOvvwJTjcvcsN0eE+ceYNN6FmLyjm4bmLhUtxskyzAjEcOASFqq0ScBEng1HBBLw1JN06Dyw/blacpmBIY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cmclwS4J25pWESdZg6mDKG/hS/mmILsPu4mC14OBuQlyjvam7nVlLPgeWiz7yZipZi959ewignAt5MR/6YG/prOiqFHeaqx0ECLxKfGUi2InSmS1sdB7oX7bUKOYYFX3yQpBgnkc6dJK3FoGAy0Rm4+wgKqnUVT8Bc9l7Karx8Q=; fEfRbLkQF.GgGT3rmnWbcUkYxJycgI7uGAFRw.fhQf45uIPWAf9ARIHv8DBz GCebi4eZTZXulNCNLLavKYSHldUb7WUFX8KR5DgyapGFV5NysAEhMvMEUH5G uYf5nrgqXpKpe09bkBCMf4CPVQeY8pESzIPqaDLmust3jCTv4maFG8m0yxRn HV3Ay0ttXbYkwIvd0dS7_bKjuYfIBxLftOCVg04.AQF9wtO3iRJLEIeNizD8 NvW8StSrhKbPaPo..hHPHZisnTze.5XnMi0k40_0R2eTl1yTR37WR6Av9ueF Pui7Asbsp3lf1jMvXpDNDrhy6M6gRIXSd6eSEubkjIGcaeWocA.xW1MiYTz5 otj2sAtb4qoYN3r4c6_K.fsQ_JgnzYyDpxBgIHtd4OnjElKmvPqwzGhxOHaH lUbfexkPZs3GWRpuDxXqgNfNHZxd0EPIG4iHKKIgqWihIk_fK9uXwxJ1P_jv xJxOqO3es1SpCuoE2kK_uAD6tZI7fzYRBR84Y2qeIPFS_cdD4E6KQYw8fZrF a4CREns9UiWegPzljcFIpGTtWQOXcdkgHf_u6WiZgcaCM1qngcu2MydTndKj q5UkuKB7c3IbYZ.kWlp_O9Q-- Received: from [90.199.100.207] by web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:20:55 GMT Tm8gbm9zdGFsaWdpYSBkb2Vzbid0IHBheSAtIGJ1dCBJIGRvbid0IGZlZWwgYXQgYWxsIG5vc3RhbGdpYyBmb3IgdGhlIGhvcnJlbmRvdXMgaGVhZGNvbGRzIGFuZCBpbmZlY3Rpb25zIEkgdXNlZCB0byBjYXRjaCBhZnRlciBhIHN0aW50IG9mIG9uZSB3ZWVrICJvbiB0aGUgc3RhbmQiIGF0IEVhcmxzIENvdXJ0IGZvciB0aGUgTW90b3IgU2hvdyBvciB0aGUgUm95YWwgU21pdGhmaWVsZC4KCkpvbm1hYwoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IEZyYW5rIEZpc2hlciA8eWVsbG8BMAEBAQE- References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:20:55 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Frank Fisher , Don Hiscock , Triumphs , "Dave1massey@cs.com" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No nostaligia doesn't pay - but I don't feel at all nostalgic for the horrendous headcolds and infections I used to catch after a stint of one week "on the stand" at Earls Court for the Motor Show or the Royal Smithfield. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 15:03 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned >good grief >whats the world coming to? >i used to take the train from liverpool >to london and then the tube. >there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun >weekend. >and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > >From: Don Hiscock > >To: Triumphs >Sent: Friday, >December 21, 2012 5:21 AM >Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > >The >traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our >cars >were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to >save the >venue. >http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- >campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > >Don > >** >triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 11:43:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C9D40E54 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:43:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10383406AD for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 18:40:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.6] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 18:40:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 18:40:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356115251; bh=HOex1eJZ3WqNZsUVOLFH9rQQbISAqV9sQqaH45lJVPg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=dIzbdGaPhBgiiqbLirySSlttNq7852luJ0ZBbA/RZWGPFhBM92vO7ERk0z2JFfEq//Sd0kEKaAIfGorowFlr96kej/3ssEiEnrmRktK0hHRtLJDLhn7F85vB0Xm9MvDjSsoaZstAz5A+K/CMI7Bdztu+Qp/qtoSqZTXi8HKArTI= 7HMA011e0s3bRGHPBnJV4GFnZlNHYAt0K4eI0NVzbfZvBwtPuQg6cuuyjbDF E93F54R9XfYmEJxZQ15sEMMdtElY3A3jNukpQ0MI0V2ooi1s3RH4MxzbyDWZ HLbRsGIvyIyf0wavn0mERxtxWPL6hfCPMQbCxCkt1Z_B2MG7qnq2MHAU3rWm Xh7hxEciivlZIRZOYHczpeaAWojI0uSXWITu2_43Kj5l.PKU.ln.uUOBCTam gb88xgMlEpPwD0FTLj1qaiG4CsIvXh7L77oVeIT9EAbQfTyanQL4LJOovhPY zxnTuJCXtj1xn04YL5gsGh1VpHKePegH2PWSC8foO8E6xoqlUeR0oZt43.na iRqykQznWLBefoHBJIt9dOalX8K3hJkjXp7Omawzhq1FkI6S7m4PMZ5cxAZk Ke7o1RNwnftmDc5nEmPdxMkM_I268E6_OsnLnLqCLekBRvSsxcXRS2RItmU9 AvkmxcwSnBRR1vut0kt8rr1eevXf5s.q9lA1H0H1XKPQs02J2fY8.ay9r6g- - Received: from bboffice (bill_beecher@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2012 10:40:51 -0800 PST From: To: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:40:47 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3fqq92Ml8Zx2h2TqS3mkOlytsg9A== Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had? Of course, it would have to be safe and secure. Thx, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 12:17:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AF640E6A for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:17:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BB940E30 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 19:15:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.80] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 19:15:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 19:15:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 14502 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2012 19:15:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356117325; bh=5ZqhnE/7nHTb+p/i5AtDrWYQb1cEVqdb1aOdzslLlkQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XT7Hv6ievcMq/aEBAckeeITAkzt8gAYjzgzXFebnazyQqPHCxT7G7nmnB+TXj6+II18fef9JSxVeQ3XCp/40td+TyvFMOwOtPw7kUYu7tvoJBLll3YcF9PQqHqqHIQu09AvsS+cQd6UAcZ6TXIEN1/8Ap0UjEOzkmUSiyJaoU/0= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qaDaqN3yObuqg+1ZG5CRPA2eSQwkhqmYKhdFexeBYub75tklgFIaWrz2m2yu/DKgcLqtP9AGFM/71fcUkclv10tJBQ1Ww2wLZiPs+G5IxPJk8HQg5y6pB999YwmN5RMJm70s5nl1232nSFmmudak9k3/+Ls3IusW7u505r0crpg=; K8somZvX_0SGzl7TR02KVgV9GVkfrt0aFFIrmzbYxLGQGIhMwdRIcs9pf0yB bS0Ym9FtXHV3oyk.cRPTdIRCAdUaJJ4S5AIkB5Qs9i.MUoundoUfCKrN94yl lgiZ6JVgMAZq.S.ndeZ5Uwqn6MsyNMydYlqBKchliWMTXgAJj5c0iOdl2wSV 34vZWFQG7G2Bla6r1UYZw5vwcl9z5vECa.1nNG2XPoqwb7DkExcALnYZHnYp MWwUSFRkCfmLIGi_OHyorUdf3XzL3XqRlf0NGeX3eoM49emX2Lle335EPSwK 9rDgfwn90TYX40BrgfmUAI.RkLjXCe8rxW9gE6rS1SDJ4zw3eVNA8tqUrNAs Rmm.U_re_CcJE.LdZOd.Vu_AvryF7VOL85Oeih5rbJ7jWblJKskPpeHDUJSH Ame9duRmStF1g7UReZYXDWYJEI4XgMAWvqp4ibK5xfaz48PDuxNeTSOKBEn4 z1wTtHm0elUWByuk9BQgdUdWsadBBwKUyCb1lFMY.E6I96ozIV_GkCuUFdAp gqR2JsrxlPVEfbBktiETSRV.mrTMRxmUyxNU6Rk7Crve5UTq_oZp0kY.Esu5 FtUGlTlksPOJNfQE- Received: from [99.149.16.191] by web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:15:25 PST CgoKCi0tLS0tIEZvcndhcmRlZCBNZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0KRnJvbTogSmFuaXMgRGFiYXJzIDxqZGFiYXJzQGF0dC5uZXQ.ClRvOiBrZ2lmdEBtc24uY29tClNlbnQ6IEZyaSwgRGVjZW1iZXIgMjEsIDIwMTIgMTo0ODozMCBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBGdzogWXVtbXkgZWF0cyBmb3IgQ2hyaXN0bWFzIE9SIGFueXRpbWUKCgoKCgoKCgoKPgo.LS0tLS0gRm9yd2FyZGVkIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLQo.PkZyb206IEphbmlzIERhYmFycyBqZGFiYXJzQGF0dC5uZXQKPj5TdWJqZWN0OiBZdW1teSBlYXRzIGZvciBDaHJpc3RtYXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: Janis Dabars To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fw: Yummy eats for Christmas OR anytime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Janis Dabars To: kgift@msn.com Sent: Fri, December 21, 2012 1:48:30 PM Subject: Fw: Yummy eats for Christmas OR anytime > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >>From: Janis Dabars jdabars@att.net >>Subject: Yummy eats for Christmas OR anytime >> >> >> >> >>.. >> >> >>Here is what I am preparing for Christmas, >>New Years day or any time. NON FATTENING VERRRY YUMMY. Fresh pork(11 pound) >>picnic, injected with orange juice, sprinkled with sea salt and coarse ground >>black pepper, double wrap in heavy aluminum foil, skin side up, score skin with >>razor blade in 1 inch diamond pattern. Wrap tight and place in pan with water >>in it. Place in oven, turn up to 400 F degrees and bake for 2 hours, turn down >>to 300 F degrees and bake for 10 hours---YES 10 HOURS--- >>replenish water in pan about every three hours. >>After 10 hours, yes 10 hours, >>take out of oven, leave in pan, unwrap foil and suck out juice(save for sauer >>kraut) Internal temp of meat should be about 210 F degree and nicely >>brown/tan. If like the outside more crunchy---turn on broil for about 10--15 >>minutes until it barely stars to smoke. >>Out of the oven, let it rest/cool for about 1 hour, put on serving platter. >>This tastes heavenly---NO, you will not set stove on fire with all the >>cooking---like mother in law said. I started cooking, in oven, at 10 pm, turned >>down to 300 F at midnite, went to bed, at 3 am added water to pan(as needed) >>went to bed. >>At 6 am , water as needed---back to bed till 9 am to finish up baking. Once >>you do it this way----no other way will do. Cooking/baking is the southern >>syle, >>s l o w and l o w >> >>NOW the piece de resistance. The sauer kraut. >>3 cans drained Libby Bavarian style(with carraway seeds) half a small head >>cabbage---finely shreaded. >>Put both on baking pan, pour ham dripings(which you saved) as per taste, mix and >>slow sautee untill >>cabbage tender. Turn up heat untill kraut/cabbage mixture carmelizez(Somewhat >>brown but not burned) >>Adjust amount of dripings as per taste, mix and serve warm. Heaven!!!! Hot >>English Coleman dry powder mustard mix ,with a shot of Vodka---recepy on >>request. ATOMIC HORSERADISH >>as a condiment, and it is real hot. >>If you want to order Atomic, from California, ask me for directions. >>Atomic is so hot/spicey that you dish it out with METAL spoon, plastic spoon >>melts but it is real good---better than any store bought. I recommend it highly >>and I that aint't no BS. >> >>The ham picnics can be baked more than one at a time. This time I prepared two >>but have done 8 at a time in a commercial oven/stove. >>Bon voyage, got to go eat, with boiled potatos on the side and boiled kapujiner >>peas from Holland(ask where to get peas--me, $5.00 a pound---stores well as >>they are dried. Ham/roast tastes even better cold, second, third day. >>Janis, Indianapolis, Indiana, U.S.A. >>jdabars@att.net >> >> >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 12:32:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B232340E51 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752AE40E35 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eDio1k0080QkzPwA1KWv5h; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:30:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.72] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eKWu1k00B4L5TyG8NKWuZ3; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:30:55 +0000 From: Bud R To: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:30:53 -0700 References: s=q20121106; t=1356118255; bh=oONve3FEGN72t9tJASxgjzE1EvCr9CMw6C6D9dIWPKE=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=j+IhJsyNruDec9/23yUGYMZD67X3vgVp2I1jAC+spA5+evowYbI+qu01Z6XmyLHaO vQVg+qodqV5fTuOuqxeTqh3/6gxsOxeRyn/5M1pDHZQ6DBoxrerI7dtKd/CLSN0PM/ rflRoJDiqlTfUZR9WtK1ZvGTeu1moNj2uWzm22aKPpSNKW7fMxTXe/sRndiIopdiTw jk/wPwN+0PwVPaj4rA3YyM+HPxQHw5lzRmtMdHuNU1iUsSQGFZDItZRBFPw6cRgsyG mMVOaCBr9zvslXEAhpIFHie2M1+qu0et7N2Ds/ed76MOo/brX9oOf3Pk76HKrxR1rd GGX0pO7YRR37A== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On my TR6 I used about 12-18 inches of an old bicycle brake cable. Run it through a small hold into the passenger footwell. Put the cut end through the same hold as the existing cable and the end with the round piece of metal on the end of the bike cable in the passenger footwell. Cheap, simple, not obtrusive, and can be opened easily by hand or a pair of pliers pulling the cable. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:40 AM, wrote: > Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet > release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had? Of course, it would > have to > be safe and secure. > Thx, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving > too slow" > M.Andretti > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 17:13:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A09E40E41 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:13:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FAB4064C for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 00:11:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28761 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2012 00:04:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356134682; bh=8VIgLZI6sk7tyi1PylnMq/FYDScLlg+YJnj3rpXeEDQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hyfD0U8Uy8wV3U0RCyGegtmNTSSw9Mvf2ZSP+gwtedMVmfbF7M6R29vo/zW5rGzd4mp8BS4dTHXPvdtbLzX9eixPJMMLyMH2Go53bLb4gTtMDP8QoIzTsV/avGDuNwf8z7AraqvzzBe+hSfNS3IgpHmu2e+txSmkKYywh9ljbaM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uFn4zwpDmg3xH4SGCHQIxkAbhy5/uy/J9frZUMdEw5I+hLXxiFQeTDeT99SDd7DCX2oomrbKoNS18R5zXJagdhAw0jxwYJSq2wCrhzUNicNn2tXPq0NtC10im8fVEAb8L+OYEor6arBvGU1GwtqU4yA64gMfGCbMnDtYCw0VRnE=; ogz9o8Rh5V6oOMIY7oCGKL2UctISfUETsdwjR9s15.2R2.GaEcIcykqtiLDl v8jWw2g1pqyuO5dEEEIp3id6DN28AO6kjupiedBSoocqvztUoyFDGayo_9cb sa67hJsxKeNDBfBIthRU6lxHPrms65pYTXKcn5VNUEQZF8aSCfH9KnLHzO_D mJ8W6EMm.e18eom9HRzTEGEz2.ILtAIAeKFd0NyYLM_blCO6WvZz4sa9MSRz 1IU.BURkh9A7Bp.sk9FjLnXjHqDTizDHoNtYccqzHPqjgeoD2FEQkMxxWxZG 9keXuZc.2EMt8vZY47Tbxp3N2WRCC9gSyYFFYNMrwqKIR_Fv2AEmeE_0hu1U ytemrlYWkp6I5.gE9JGJWTJya4tQW.XET87A131WHcVxfdWV2YeooiqDXi8e G5xnro8HbXVqpyuwiK1tiQO7ZUdS11W0MqPmLa8AiXoVOr3_8pEie.13i5rf Kxrx0bHOVnLoxX5mxkSN10Hmd8fU3v3w4gEDSfTgoUYQ6p__7b7fQnngEUlg XWiuMGK0Tenzj5x1PfbN.Em6kMAkqU5FpUPstXQo05oQfcIzm2RjA6DbYKEm DkRCw1gSeOL07XQvXRFbGgduEgM.T5MN4jX2AVXTlPWGOa_FRHdPo8cP7Nf. GPoeeDa7UJG7gfg-- Received: from [71.103.140.143] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:04:42 PST bGF1Z2hpbmcuCmhhdmluZyB3b3JrZWQgbWFueSB0cmFkZSBzaG93cyBpIG5vdyBrbm93IHlvdXIgcGFpbiBKb2huLgpidXQgYmFjayB0aGVuIGkgd2FzIGEgeW91bmcga2lkIGxvb2tpbmcgdG8gc2VlIGhvdCBjYXJzLCBob3Qgd29tZW4gYW5kIGHCoCBsYXJnZSBhbW91bnQgb2YgYnJldy4KdGhlIHNwZWN0YXRvcnMgYWx3YXlzIGhhZCBtb3JlIGZ1bi4ud2VsbCBtYXliZS4gaSBrbm93IG1lIGFuZCB0aGUgYm95cyBkaWQKwqAKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpGcm9tOiBKb2huIE0BMAEBAQE- References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1356114055.816.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:04:42 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: John Macartney , Don Hiscock , Triumphs , "Dave1massey@cs.com" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net laughing. having worked many trade shows i now know your pain John. but back then i was a young kid looking to see hot cars, hot women and a large amount of brew. the spectators always had more fun..well maybe. i know me and the boys did ________________________________ From: John Macartney To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs ; "Dave1massey@cs.com" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned No nostaligia doesn't pay - but I don't feel at all nostalgic for the horrendous headcolds and infections I used to catch after a stint of one week "on the stand" at Earls Court for the Motor Show or the Royal Smithfield. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 15:03 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned >good grief >whats the world coming to? >i used to take the train from liverpool >to london and then the tube. >there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun >weekend. >and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > >From: Don Hiscock > >To: Triumphs >Sent: Friday, >December 21, 2012 5:21 AM >Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > >The >traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our >cars >were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to >save the >venue. >http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- >campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > >Don > >** >triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 18:08:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F1540651 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:08:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9914C4056A for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:07:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.246] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 13430 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356138368; bh=qghSKg+ZgTcb0zy/GKplVL1LXT7pOEnEvz93PGbBC0Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v10GRs7ngyOc8zbkd39kbY7Fh9lgzkiwW1FR457a1apeqPCfjOpHqKfMrPsypI3V7/SBVz3CglWEPT0ZyW1wfMPy9sVD9jcapiub+Csv6Oz7MHu4G1xBwsamyre4X/UVFlHkZIn9nPAEPiHTQSkJUWswmvlYX2+TSpxXewO0NeY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f0PpjcmHY15xkV/dQm/b3pae68DZlrwygq3XmmWPy/iBskUIbB77BhCLUNcxDzbGkp2kWIdzFF+7V5cZ8QwVN6GdJ0z8Q6q9z5+g8JqAKd6WqRe/x3XQZn5PVYFELPLUelLeqqw60kU/v26hMhZKbRpIEJ+xK3Z8ToxlF1fMF4g=; SvCAhDuplBN7LKpm4qpKoLKzrhOwVJk7unkDQ1kXqSDCtlB2tl3BwyIgfpfO Kna.lAAd2LYGJsSkvbwEtqFaPfraE5OQO93tyh3emx3gSLzxHZJG2Bv_8f.4 WUEbY2g3PVjkX6n01KQ59Juwty15yLgb03wpHGIYDsFRYke3_YCknET7Dtz6 vC3twpiIKT_yiIEDPd8zDSz1so1Tgxg43JtZfXPkNFLobX3kPy4AwVRUrCv3 jJXZJpAS2X0dNudz5QFgwkoWMX_zY4J9zKtitIcWNejFnY7U4LHr6VqOvqOK w7XaCmRPvynzvWAET3p4Wdm0S0FxxRixHudiZ08PzZiNRj.cz_4HEzeIVafV rP3Rt_jQ_2SwJE4aS1goZ54ajwdJev1k2XjfOpLGAYdBPMeOzBJ.g7oVvpG8 899_BOG.Cp76Af_VtvV7_KhzeGGePidRKTftqHO0RvzHmmvztxzNp2PLGG5z E_sP7pqSjxipvQbw7f0Tb2boSXZDQRacAybj.2nnuv5YhBhWPT1Xqd3Gck7w 9.abxSx5zGE1HgpdgESxuPKLBHza07.2usKymdR4zWTRGeulr1Ye.cKP53YN AiCrpalAdqCNE_spwmd4KcQ-- Received: from [90.199.100.207] by web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 GMT U3RpbGwgcmVjYWxsIFN0YW5kYXJkLVRyaXVtcGgncyBVSyBTYWxlcyBEaXJlY3RvciBzdGF0aW5nIHRoYXQgaW4gaGlzIHZpZXcsICJ0aG9zZSBmZXfCoHlvdW5nIG1lbiB3aG8gcG9wdWxhdGUgdGhlIENvbXBhbnkncyBMb25kb24gc2hvd3Jvb20gYXJlIG92ZXJwYWlkLCBvdmVyc2V4ZWQgYW5kIHNlcmlvdXNseSB1bmRlcndvcmtlZC4iIFBvb3IgbWFuLCBoZSBoYWQgdGhyZWUgc2VyaW91c2x5IHN0dW5uaW5nIGRhdWdodGVycyB3aGpvIGFsbCBkaWQgY3JhenkgdGhpbmdzIGluIHRoZWlyIEhlcmFsZCBDb3UBMAEBAQE- References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1356114055.816.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1356134682.15615.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Frank Fisher , Don Hiscock , Triumphs , "Dave1massey@cs.com" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Still recall Standard-Triumph's UK Sales Director stating that in his view, "those few young men who populate the Company's London showroom are overpaid, oversexed and seriously underworked." Poor man, he had three seriously stunning daughters whjo all did crazy things in their Herald Coupes and Spitfires. But we salesmen from the showroom had much the same excitement about Earls Court and for the same reasons - but we still came home at the end of the week with 'flu, no voice - and a rather serious hangover, as I recall. Great days! Jonmac ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: John Macartney ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs ; "Dave1massey@cs.com" Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2012, 0:04 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned >laughing. >having worked many trade shows i now know your pain John. >but back >then i was a young kid looking to see hot cars, hot women and a large amount >of brew. >the spectators always had more fun..well maybe. i know me and the >boys did > > > >________________________________ >From: John Macartney > >To: Frank Fisher ; Don >Hiscock ; Triumphs ; >"Dave1massey@cs.com" >Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 >10:20 AM >Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > >No nostaligia >doesn't pay - but I don't feel at all nostalgic for the horrendous headcolds >and infections I used to catch after a stint of one week "on the stand" at >Earls Court for the Motor Show or the Royal Smithfield. > >Jonmac >________________________________ >From: Frank Fisher >To: >Don Hiscock ; Triumphs >Sent: >Friday, 21 December 2012, 15:03 >Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition >planned > > >>good grief >>whats the world coming to? >>i used to take the train >from liverpool >>to london and then the tube. >>there was always a bunch of guys >going for a fun >>weekend. >>and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy >> >> >>From: Don Hiscock >> >>To: Triumphs > >>Sent: Friday, >>December 21, 2012 5:21 AM >>Subject: >[TR] Earls Court demolition planned >> >>The >>traditional home of the British >Motor Show, the site where most of our >>cars >>were premiered, is planned to be >torn down. A group is working to >>save the >>venue. >>http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiast s- >>campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball >> >> >>Don >> >>** >>triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: >>http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com >> >>** >triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 21 20:45:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFF5406ED for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:45:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9C24064C for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:45:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id GPN26334; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:43:34 -0600 From: "Michael Marr" To: "Frank Fisher" , "Don Hiscock" , "Triumphs" References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:43:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dolly birds? You're a child of the 60s, Frank! Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest. My dad would yell himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would beat the Devonport barracks. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fisher" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM To: "Don Hiscock" ; "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > good grief > whats the world coming to? > i used to take the train from liverpool > to london and then the tube. > there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun > weekend. > and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > > From: Don Hiscock > > To: Triumphs > Sent: Friday, > December 21, 2012 5:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > The > traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our > cars > were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the > venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- > campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > > Don > > ** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 00:15:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29534068E for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:15:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF144054D for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121221185528462.CBUA3824@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:55:28 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=PSW7igovE7wA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ItW-4KECNjMA:10 a=4MZqPtSJK0vvUXb0k8gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6A/6A-29976-D50B4D05; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:54:22 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:54:22 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3fqq92Ml8Zx2h2TqS3mkOlytsg9AAATdiA Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet > release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had? Of course, it > would have to > be safe and secure. And be accessible after the cable breaks. I saw a TR3A years ago that had been modified so the entire hood, apron and front fender area pivoted forward, ala Spitfire etc. Seemed like a lot of work, but sure would make changing the radiator a lot easier! I think that was at TRfest in San Diego, around 2000 or 2001; but no idea of the owner's name or how to contact him. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 10:43:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9415640442 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:43:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280A140438 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 17:41:24 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 17:41:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 17:41:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 71290 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2012 17:41:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356198084; bh=5sOG/1nyT5FKcgo0XugmNHik3xUxC9UTAR9N9ehbhP4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2bKFZWei36UKnADRC5SFnyeEJ3SAE2abJp0w4YXQoTBIhHUZaSkrFdns98RhXgNv0P/eQRAEWStGRQZLvNbtJ/btmxmXhckrJjKGiQkAG+zHY7K5WeYpvqstoyCCSogvRcHugeM+HUZWF26uz7BTNFY8MkMOgWO689dQ9vvq4Cg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lavJOckx1T6/anKAg8U8cPo3iIoyX2sdQlCg53ydEbATSia5xQkYFSjxfusAIMjIsL2fUP4uTBxhWQOA01vfaLN07NH5X1t04qBmHLP/+vpy1iw9CfF2J35bq5NLW270vSlt9KC6Dox5MSGqbIiiCOtNojB/Pa2W8+drkSIaSGQ=; cl6jjdk_qKT7Yd6UUqJMLG5djuykHIyK0vEqQUDVgWB6KUBsbXf1d7Deg15O thVhpF1ooY_c5kcrB61WN2GB9c2zTyoDajGHCnCpNG0MVPvyJvOOiXTzmFty fUmxCuziInhdNwrvKEJYLVdQ.ERH8Dwsr74zufZcKZK5734KUYbBjMXHBQln aQf.V9ZGiqTITSXzuN8SJ45pE5yd63YvdkZaitnLgt8zZuibgzhnYHAX9UUi .Phu3ouSsaUgIPQlvZFIjF3oaKR5r3T2IqtRFObY4yplz274vmzWvliiAPo6 LWJfqX1P1_Z0iZgOUvqYewfCluJw56LG5066xQW1YtzINSYKucMBIUe0DkpH bLbx1KxdMYudvWFC3fLRcFt8KYadLYXTXmfmJXmSxf9z5i3KW0j84mFpICVz e.lP4hwe.I_agWOIxMl71MRtyhKZM9fyXSnRwIodaeO9I_d.87lxCyuW2tdC _AjFWABVo20OY.d9OqlKnbH6BW8PrHo0Rj8odBLldV9b_YlB8551a_75LKHS 5SI5LjzRMBi.VzJgZOumj.NmeXceumBZscGZF2DrbIOHlIskczj28ruz.WdY IotvQU8s7z3utn1_ch.LPNlQ2JoUo.7YWctDG_g-- Received: from [71.103.140.143] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:41:24 PST bmV2ZXIgZGlkIHRoZSBib2F0IHNob3cuCmNvdWxkIG5vdCBhZmZvcmQgYW55IG9mIHRob3NlIGNhcnMgdGhleSB3aGVyZSBzaG93aW5nLCBzbyBhIGJvYXQgd2FzIG5vdCBldmVuIGluIG15IGRyZWFtcwoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IE1pY2hhZWwgTWFyciA8bW1hcnJAbm90d2lyZXMuY29tPgpUbzogRnJhbmsgRmlzaGVyIDx5ZWxsb3d0cjNAeWFob28uY29tPjsgRG9uIEhpc2NvY2sgPGRvbi5oaXNjb2NrQGdtYWlsLmNvbT47IFRyaXVtcGhzIDxUcml1bXBoc0BhdXQBMAEBAQE- References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Michael Marr , Don Hiscock , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net never did the boat show. could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams ________________________________ From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Dolly birds? You're a child of the 60s, Frank! Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest. My dad would yell himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would beat the Devonport barracks. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fisher" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM To: "Don Hiscock" ; "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > good grief > whats the world coming to? > i used to take the train from liverpool > to london and then the tube. > there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun > weekend. > and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > > From: Don Hiscock > > To: Triumphs > Sent: Friday, > December 21, 2012 5:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > The > traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our > cars > were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the > venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- > campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > > Don > > ** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 12:08:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E337A4064D for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:08:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4354A40329 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F244B1C0000B6 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mab003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mab003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.29.9]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C8DCCE000089 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:06:01 -0500 (EST) From: TR250Driver@aol.com Full-name: TR250Driver Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:06:01 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356203161; bh=Lfd01p+X2lcgOKNrsuMMmDEtPOO+QUwM2uTwLJLjOKo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AH2jkYtFKqFY3FjLHQhaG7RCy01oaDIzy9zzYPOp9umcyC/5Hi3AQaoakC6CHuO03 1scbLVo90a16wmCEoCI9ArWmgFYCjgeBPdMjSTWJEVY2CSG/ev43r3h880aZKBxF7Z +JalvhxgKdEQaLI22aHCZTE/7DSj+B8WnbZpu1BY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50d604992972 Subject: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Guys, I'm working on the 63 TR4's front suspension. This is the later type with front & back upper A-arms. I am confused for some reason as to which is which? Yikes I should know this! I am going to say that the arm with the bigger curve in it is the front. Then the one that is not curved as much is the back. I'm looking at the various assembly diagrams and I can't really tell from those. I don't want to be wrong and have a do over. Can a anyone confirm this? I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 12:23:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AE2406ED for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:23:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7869340434 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:23:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [96.238.190.118]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFG00NZZ5S90L90@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:21:46 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:21:44 -0500 References: <4b545.3931e6ce.3e075e99@aol.com> To: TR250Driver@aol.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Big curve to the front and shallow to the rear. This is to angle the verticle link to the back for 3 degrees caster. Must have trunnions that are right side and left side, not the same. Dean On Dec 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, TR250Driver@aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys, > I'm working on the 63 TR4's front suspension. This is the later type with > front & back upper A-arms. I am confused for some reason as to which is > which? Yikes I should know this! I am going to say that the arm with the > bigger curve in it is the front. Then the one that is not curved as much is > the back. I'm looking at the various assembly diagrams and I can't really > tell from those. I don't want to be wrong and have a do over. Can a anyone > confirm this? I would really appreciate it. > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 12:50:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D5E4056E for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:50:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FBD4044C for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:49:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E8E5B1C00016A; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mab003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mab003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.29.9]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BBD94E000085; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: TR250Driver@aol.com Full-name: TR250Driver Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500 (EST) To: tr3a58@verizon.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356205681; bh=M0Dl2xItMZt4WRBER7kByDz9bUUTQhV1IUySVSXLodA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H6DlWhjM0wW/WAEFQO0iFxP7xgZIficqEyfRjZmP/gq4iZPrTTuPluWkjSId/7IDh IsN1Uks/Du5AGBX0UVNbYcoTPiMK9nuykeB0v0bfVzvVJ3dxt4A+qWqXSTOWN462+u vR4YlxpE1AAktQmvrxPvSovbEDv2W8WCCVaXUkxc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c750d60e7157a9 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension/trunnions? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Thanks Dean, Yeah, you are correct on the trunnions as well. Looking straight at them one is slanted down to the left (marked TRF3-D) and the other is slanted down to the right (TRF4-C). Any idea which is which? Many Thanks, Darrell I just did a front suspension rebuild on my 62. None of this on the early cars. In a message dated 12/22/2012 2:21:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tr3a58@verizon.net writes: Big curve to the front and shallow to the rear. This is to angle the verticle link to the back for 3 degrees caster. Must have trunnions that are right side and left side, not the same. Dean ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 14:11:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931BB406ED for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:11:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351EC40438 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [96.238.190.118]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFG00FCFAS7HO30@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 15:09:44 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:09:43 -0500 References: <5a93.77c1f552.3e076871@aol.com> To: TR250Driver@aol.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension/trunnions? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net part #133838 is the RH side. With the cross pin for the lower A-arms level, the vertical link leans to the back. part #133839 is the LH side. Again with the pin level, it leans to the back. They used to be marked RH & LH or had the part # on them. All the early 4 and 3's had no caster or camber. That's why they would follow the crown of the road and try to dart left & right under hard braking. Nice improvement. Dean On Dec 22, 2012, at 2:48 PM, TR250Driver@aol.com wrote: > Hey Thanks Dean, > Yeah, you are correct on the trunnions as well. Looking straight at them one is slanted down to the left (marked TRF3-D) and the other is slanted down to the right (TRF4-C). Any idea which is which? > Many Thanks, > Darrell > I just did a front suspension rebuild on my 62. None of this on the early cars. > > > In a message dated 12/22/2012 2:21:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tr3a58@verizon.net writes: > Big curve to the front and shallow to the rear. This is to angle the verticle > link to the back for 3 degrees caster. Must have trunnions that are right > side and left side, not the same. > > Dean ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 16:22:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C9140E1D for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:22:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1154740562 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 26CA01C0000B4 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A8863E000082 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:20:10 -0500 (EST) References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:20:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:20:10 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356218411; bh=stUXonPtnz9evr0j/XCsblQQeOz0uPnutHtHLpAJy/w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rLZ+GFXSEfnAhM0/rI4c9qlDFKErwgSvaWQEiQvJPrCy1qtxVLdl0LDJh135XMFt3 4uXKUby9execvOHHaqfZnecbmhHgXcqVzD8UIp3AwX/3blXsLxi30/N8b7PenK2NvB 6/p6GjLQvFAfqfglCCKiYswdZOe+Wp6zYHRhFTow= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294950d6402a77b9 Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is another in France. I saw it last May. I don't know if it is the same one I saw pictures of some eight years ago since the owner had only bought it recently and from an intermediary if it is indeed the same on. Pretty clever and convenient. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 1:13 am Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? > Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet > release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had? Of course, it > would have to > be safe and secure. And be accessible after the cable breaks. I saw a TR3A years ago that had been modified so the entire hood, apron and front fender area pivoted forward, ala Spitfire etc. Seemed like a lot of work, but sure would make changing the radiator a lot easier! I think that was at TRfest in San Diego, around 2000 or 2001; but no idea of the owner's name or how to contact him. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 22 16:33:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A322040694 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:33:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2126F40329 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 23:31:17 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.193] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 23:31:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 23:31:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356219077; bh=JIihKuJofJWrIAQ7ksYsxoZuvXTKQuKwe/XTlnur+rw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=B7AV4weX4T/jiGzEEif4xdRxzf4BkvhF5XTQcHUxzWEmyGVcOz8GG37q/VjVDpxljvJCAP+zwAI/nw7qqmEAv9xT0sbG5/WFd417v1ppX5PxqyivCrzsanFup6/VVIPz0T8B2JyRt0f0zmCsNKNevgEnvwp992br626LtLtXKXM= .zEqrs7.EX795c8Ov1_saYbrcFZKknLwRfGI8wLME0KjHSqi6Y53wj5eZLkQ aY6quUsFB82_NYR4JGn8.OeDogd559rsMReSm5B.U7EVceYeVk5K7GzdlZ8H l6evj_eGotndTz7CDZm1Qv8VGeLvSd8E2hSqGLv.qY.gcOZQ8bew3YW3IlCu 25wHkKzxNWnkzAy1y3hHuGisAUnEXA3LHG2ruEdJWLmdP9.8iOQzkOgjLZkK 9MfTTaL5rBbg1YufRVp8sgHjI.5xDZZnw_6.zEgRrjcRYjDo0QaLdQ9HQLvU 30N1A3Nv75DnijFbJOrYBVhH8BS4buVQcxiiAlHTZlk0IDYhMANpPfovjFEe U2yebpa5nhdSJmGSxXUgZXAfaCy_P6GxHV2jhqAlAOQSBxWTREpvSJ_6WPfX SLrzh6GgSJoyYmnz6Lq6YFsCdLX9XvCNwP5y8 Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2012 15:31:17 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Dave Massey'" , References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:31:19 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3gmv5S0zs3mnoYRrKCndDS6wYOoAAAQnhg Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work. Really, I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to what was found on the TR2 & TR4. Bill -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? There is another in France. I saw it last May. I don't know if it is the same one I saw pictures of some eight years ago since the owner had only bought it recently and from an intermediary if it is indeed the same on. Pretty clever and convenient. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Randall I saw a TR3A years ago that had been modified so the entire hood, apron and front fender area pivoted forward, ala Spitfire etc. Seemed like a lot of work, but sure would make changing the radiator a lot easier! I think that was at TRfest in San Diego, around 2000 or 2001; but no idea of the owner's name or how to contact him. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 01:17:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CD04069D for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 01:17:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B98740395 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 01:16:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id HUM21403; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:15:03 -0600 From: "Michael Marr" To: "Frank Fisher" , "Don Hiscock" , "Triumphs" References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101> <1356198084.57976.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:15:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Boats were only in my dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and ultimately owned several They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two happiest days of a boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it. And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo. My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time I wrote my note. Mike From: Frank Fisher Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned never did the boat show. could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Dolly birds? You're a child of the 60s, Frank! Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest. My dad would yell himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would beat the Devonport barracks. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fisher" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM To: "Don Hiscock" ; "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > good grief > whats the world coming to? > i used to take the train from liverpool > to london and then the tube. > there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun > weekend. > and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > > From: Don Hiscock > > To: Triumphs > Sent: Friday, > December 21, 2012 5:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > The > traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our > cars > were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the > venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- > campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > > Don > > ** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 05:34:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44B4406AA for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:34:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C6A403EF for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EC8C11C000089 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C65ADE000085 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0500 (EST) References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> <458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.89) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356265942; bh=bG6+5A5Z0EOEMTfQHob7kgqE0Qv0zNevXt8fc1+A/eg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xMnuVok5G7F8eE1l9yBWgosnqLZEFE3nggbzcUIi+UunuXLoCVDjkmT5OPMYaYF7u c6eUqbd8lueSttJ5lYi+INDn0WYK0marOcy6PRN4BNRgVI2KUdR0YqqH1cDbaTDaIi 0JC3llcdu19L68AJ47keAwjL5akDtgVqw57J1WuI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50d6f9d65a77 Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm no auto body guy but I would think that it would be not too difficult to mount a bonnet latch in the place of the bonnet lifting spring. You don't have to be limited to a Triumph latch, either. There might be other bonnet latches that are more suitable for the application. As for me, I think the Zeus fasteners and the Carriage Key are all part of the appeal of the TR3. That and the push button starter, the hand crank, the positive earth electrical system and the side curtains. It is the anachronistic nature of the beast that is the draw for me. If I wanted an updated version of the TR3 I would get a TR6. Oh, I HAVE a TR6. And I have no qualms about updating that. But that's another story. But that's just me. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Wbeech To: 'Dave Massey' ; triumphs Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 5:31 pm Subject: RE: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work. Really, I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to what was found on the TR2 & TR4. Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 05:59:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0554C40562 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:59:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D23403EF for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hm6so5981528wib.15 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:57:14 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ktjN/5Ri8neAK+7IpBgT4rwBFxAZ9mzLdKO15xunHfQ=; b=E0qZ5KBBVIw5ffVdum0J+YBqH7GNngSiXtBrnjAlBbu/LsJavr1i03uf5GiTWJx15I cm0s+rD6rchsUUqnMlIZudHCCicpGu/02ifCVK9lPqJURM+7CF8wKcWqiTgKifFsAzp9 z9csTGx5ItV4pl/Re02bqA9xwzzluCTBRoYd9+g8nvDMZX0s5U++4uIrXk2I3GjXxwH4 SSCvw0Li7Swlb8WCaQsYkb2ROKvEAoAA3J82GaHfO/J3a/cApcw6RstRyI/6W5Snw+v0 XWUHWBlhUczTmPskDs0awjUT5UEE0YaIN0VYWkatFsdGm07+jJvQWfNxhowPjWxfhWG8 t77A== Received: by 10.194.20.231 with SMTP id q7mr31555389wje.44.1356267434233; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:57:14 -0800 (PST) References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> <458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice> <8CFAF20B054D430-F6C-45B56@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:57:14 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Dave Massey Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I'm with ya on the elegance of the TR3 Dzus system. Triumph's move away from the remote release used in the earliest TR2s was an improvement IMO. The carriage key system works nicely. To the op... Have you considered one of the key fob Dzus tools that have been made in years past by one of the members of our community? That convenient little device makes the Dzus system almost as fast as an internal release and more reliable. There are probably a few of those still around, although they were never widely distributed. Don On 12/23/12, Dave Massey wrote: > I'm no auto body guy but I would think that it would be not too difficult > to > mount a bonnet latch in the place of the bonnet lifting spring. You don't > have to be limited to a Triumph latch, either. There might be other bonnet > latches that are more suitable for the application. > > As for me, I think the Zeus fasteners and the Carriage Key are all part of > the > appeal of the TR3. That and the push button starter, the hand crank, the > positive earth electrical system and the side curtains. It is the > anachronistic nature of the beast that is the draw for me. If I wanted an > updated version of the TR3 I would get a TR6. > > Oh, I HAVE a TR6. And I have no qualms about updating that. But that's > another story. > > But that's just me. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wbeech > To: 'Dave Massey' ; triumphs > Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 5:31 pm > Subject: RE: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? > > > I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was > feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work. Really, > I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to > what > was found on the TR2 & TR4. > > Bill > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 07:27:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4270640E28 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:27:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5F940402 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 14:25:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.1] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 14:25:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 14:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 61416 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2012 14:25:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356272705; bh=P352BZdylUWRPm1LmVO4SAfKmUzLatHw0SXdxUvmgFE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u+2j426ZgYVp8MCsaBdBQxTHbtndKcMGrLurkN6ySGMVY0jV21sba1h4Sz9veqBUr629Iku2XcwuezFccCeaNPNR9NEQQQNUFBKZ7M8tMhmBu5E0DVrKQFTqnKXgAz67kCvU8sYRG+H1Av7zKOki5wWuTVr4AY4Hlr6SYqw9hBU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Uiyf9Wne4m7+sJuP9LLw5HMa6KJAz1Eyk+LG3s3oaSKy5OuRGctUXzcI2wGyuz1PIL/ns2Bk9m3PejLs8VX2hUZhk1FlI2Ff/Kf9IGrpFtqSRQQkXG1CcAuQyalB23mXs986/AuHcdxUw2bSPjoU4HZl4Bdx7IRmXVNuDbv2ApE=; P1Qo_eRRWNy0KPBgaGOfznr9YghqQFli3UwN2q8F6fv3xYZrvtmDJHbeHGpL VlCMoKq3XaUGOGV0IVuKMJ7WkQxK1FRjmuaI4d0drAsKurBzBdtZ91Gmoo6I SCLf_cXjQj9pF9fQ9GCT68yG2nSlAiQrtfWi8DiLvJJGS6smycN8ir966PJi xg5SljxP4Og7YR8Es2hUtmjX2JVM99KlRdafpnkFIRq_dDCb_VPkGS.uvkTk BkMqZzYbPT5kr9AvCkK2nslINae6DIn0v82rnOa3x_vZgDmbGFmPcJS811qF 9tOTDr7IuWpkDXoZ9ubivey8b0.ibp4HAhlKamm42Ae_zthC0P_Z7R.EmdoA r2ANw0oz8n96mk2CMQuouGypWii0FG6S3HzUaJD88gmTHybjC90PPbnLZT40 erBeAy2dhbpABXNbPvmhykGCQLmEkDQ0sIb4QTU83uABoTwLB58ERTGRVKfe bUrndSqfy4vnHOo1qDrCtH0f7_voOobZsAr1R40nvS0Cn6t9bk_.eyPe7KQC MX.A9.T2htmHtq6E.OQNm5VA- Received: from [50.72.240.57] by web124503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:25:04 PST RG9uwqAgSSdkIHN1cmUgbGlrZSB0byBoYXZlIG9uZSBvZiB0aG9zZSBEenVzIGtleSBmb2JzIGFzIEknbSBjb25zdGFudGx5IG1pc3BsYWNpbmcgbXkgVCBoYW5kbGUuIEFueSBpZGVhIG9uIHdobyBtYWRlIHRoZW0gb3Igd2hlcmUgSSBjb3VsZCBnZXQgb25lPyBLYXJsCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IERvbiBIaXNjb2NrIDxkb24uaGlzY29ja0BnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBEYXZlIE1hc3NleSA8ZGF2ZTFtYXNzZXlAY3MuY29tPiAKQ2M6IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnQBMAEBAQE- References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> <458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice> <8CFAF20B054D430-F6C-45B56@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: karl sisson To: Don Hiscock , Dave Massey Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don I'd sure like to have one of those Dzus key fobs as I'm constantly misplacing my T handle. Any idea on who made them or where I could get one? Karl ________________________________ From: Don Hiscock To: Dave Massey Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 4:57:14 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Dave, I'm with ya on the elegance of the TR3 Dzus system. Triumph's move away from the remote release used in the earliest TR2s was an improvement IMO. The carriage key system works nicely. To the op... Have you considered one of the key fob Dzus tools that have been made in years past by one of the members of our community? That convenient little device makes the Dzus system almost as fast as an internal release and more reliable. There are probably a few of those still around, although they were never widely distributed. Don On 12/23/12, Dave Massey wrote: > I'm no auto body guy but I would think that it would be not too difficult > to > mount a bonnet latch in the place of the bonnet lifting spring. You don't > have to be limited to a Triumph latch, either. There might be other bonnet > latches that are more suitable for the application. > > As for me, I think the Zeus fasteners and the Carriage Key are all part of > the > appeal of the TR3. That and the push button starter, the hand crank, the > positive earth electrical system and the side curtains. It is the > anachronistic nature of the beast that is the draw for me. If I wanted an > updated version of the TR3 I would get a TR6. > > Oh, I HAVE a TR6. And I have no qualms about updating that. But that's > another story. > > But that's just me. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wbeech > To: 'Dave Massey' ; triumphs > Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 5:31 pm > Subject: RE: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? > > > I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was > feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work. Really, > I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to > what > was found on the TR2 & TR4. > > Bill > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/buik57389@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 09:07:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8083F4064D for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:07:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC49840402 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:07:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id es5so2855998wgb.17 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:05:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=u2sGcwHtGa0eoBJgN4VVzwUQtQoNjlf71HOKRYTPRpU=; b=KxexFOyrb0HMsTlz3/ahyVDCdghBx8bSdwl81e7LMmfs126eyccLDroJHxpqw8f91K TvSam9BQaNJegxcjCkkKBuSIS4aiMnkfoIDQ0c0Ee2sS50jLZud6NZkHx0Oa15J4J2Uk 2zchyIE5xMsvlzRmjVKA2O1VbapZHVjRkX+ISy6flEoqD36aRrpHwLD5yt9pnvFm41+C 1wikOgjQD+Co30yavbEir6cDxCM9f0Sf5GVFumqgv4VYZugf00AeDDwKBLVvBvUsRxq7 IPkEGWyIx7CC7UcdfQLx/Sz737MJHoKzCa1Sr9tbdoQJZyNuAnmIKt6/yLKOvGhiN8Dp 2PwA== Received: by 10.194.20.231 with SMTP id q7mr32077214wje.44.1356278721870; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Don Hiscock Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:05:01 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3S LeMans 1959 -- Links to two unpublished photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Two photos of the TR3S racers at LeMans in June, 1959, unpublished as far as I know and recently added to my small collection of ephemera, offered as an early Christmas present to those on the list who get a kick out of this stuff. I've always thought the TR3S cars were among the coolest TR racers, even with their snakebit history. XHP938, XHP939, and XHP940 visible in the photos. Here are links to scans of the 2-3/4 inch x 4 inch (7 cm x 10 cm) originals. If you're interested, you should be able to display and download the original *fine* detail scans. http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-9kP26m3/0/XL/i-9kP26m3-XL.jpg http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-cMHtmFB/0/XL/i-cMHtmFB-XL.jpg A few interesting points... 1. The "opened up" grilles look terrific, IMO. As one whose TR3B is still fighting cooling issues I'm tempted to make one of those out of a donor grille and some wide-jaw pliers. 2. The corrugated paperboard covers over the headlights look like a true racer's adaptation to necessity. Not pretty, but improvised in a minute and probably functional. 3. The head badges look to be black and red -- the earlier style than the blue and white Standard Triumph were using at the time. Kinda hard to tell for sure, but white doesn't seem to show. I believe the black and red badge was used on at least one of the TR3S replicas built in recent years. 4. A single leather strap at the front center edge of the bonnets. No T R I U M P H letters on the apron, which would have been a surprise if they *were* used. 5. Body color painted hinges. Similar to the TRS racers. Beading on wings still in bright metal, though. 6. The auxiliary lights look to be SFT fogs -- not SLR pencil beams. On the driver's side the lamp looks to be clocked in its housing to maintain orientation. Not so on the off side. 7. Can't be sure, but the wheels sorta look like 72 spoke Borrani wire wheels. ISTR that Triumph did use Borranis in racing at some point. Others may have more info to add here, especially some of FOT friends. Regards, Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 12:59:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306A640E59 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:59:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7DD4051D for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm35.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 19:57:13 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.199] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 19:57:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 19:57:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356292633; bh=a6+MwOuo7lnoY9lViZp1yfuaW3BdmEehwcvM32EDw3k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=uqgRiMZOF2fKS14l8D1u+mHLcKUBe6sx9oNwRXFaWAGZeaMLLNvfqlOZhdybDnL+zuCGTtgVsRUHy3L6pqkD6ThQMMU0kBnZ+veqmXqO3rI4rhA1XSNgKVyzJsCJx8zmTXIKQsjvQajBDdI2/cq/WV4wiOFPjbU5CONoDx7sTh8= Lh817k_W_SCrHf041VxrkyVpVH7qW0O35zVAAjgJ.88RmoStAaUo2GLN0Emi V4G2kzeXzia5nT6bGuxnhFp19RnVLPiYXfg60PdnKNtalwKzj_1ERQlF61KW JLtal93WxI8p1si2_edsf3ZSWpP.x2FYQsvhexj1tedioTo4YJzPPdQzl3sS jGLyJZAcunTV_bqWawQqfYoN9LzPmw_tHdu76OMByQiFKC.bDHGqZDS.3TG_ y4zV5xVqwAOKB2MhFMeIgSu5aC1AmV5WBOMEDNztsw5wkiFGCoHcI0KBx2Rv Fxng06CzOpejlMEtL70YcXsCwmyEQPfl0FVHWJNDo4jAOySvlmpQXHISzJX2 G6Tb9QMp1vFY.pwZDOcFFOwfvS6y78vFFzEhu_9l11r9Vp8NyDeJFZcKu8LP OlMYrzK0pviQAD4hlTWTWfyCVmv_f8td_b9EwVM9_JuhFNTD_NUpvxoxHBUx iVwt5XUBJLwUg_tVnMKeK_zUdvGWv6YDieoQLXZtn5QJEH4kYnLMnUu1u6t4 dYjDBHMDc Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2012 11:57:12 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:57:11 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3hR21VXPeXAOBxRcSCwsgxRfSYdQ== Subject: [TR] TR3 Drop Arm position Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Reinstalling the steering box on the TR3B and want to have the drop arm in the correct 3 degree offset with the wheels straight. In the Bentley's they say offset to the left and show a diagram from a RHD car. So my question is do I offset to the right for my LHD car? This would have been more simply put if that had said pointing to the "inboard" or "outboard". Many thanks and a Merry Christmas to all. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 14:10:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE7840E42 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:10:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8260E4051D for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:09:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 14B541C000091 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-med001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-med001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.1]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E151DE000081 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: Loumetelko@aol.com Full-name: Loumetelko Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356296877; bh=2SAtuz+vJXRKhhjqc6i04wxFSFydLBQS/SmqW2tw/rc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z37BLaAgiaPJX6CnoHPkJbz5vYRvjhbRNP6U/oNeA9awLMkyslFHHcoL58PR2NmES /6ffCQfFSJldyLnnQdwKc8nPAWAipyVCLcD3e7WhXQ3PTp/MBjIvyoQYtanUDLMypu qpqjRw8EOcNy/OKm8WJn7d8HL/ooPSZjg5pS1fGU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b50d772ac6c83 Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work. Really, I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to what was found on the TR2 & TR4. Bill On my early TR2 having suffered through the agony of synchronizing the two forward releases plus the paranoia of a break in of the main cable, I must ask why subject yourself through that agony? The two Dzus fasteners on the bonnet is the best and by far the simplest method. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 15:45:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BD340E62 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:45:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE1040E38 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.102.3]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fAiu1k00404QC2E01AivX9; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:42:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:42:54 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3hXmeOWiiOAfVaQIOYnp7nXL2OVA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] OK - one more wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The small mouth is wired and everything works.......except........ When I turn on the "indicators" (I did grow up in Ireland, after all), the light in the dash cluster flashes once and no more. The turn signals continue to work normally front and rear. When I check the wire in the center of the three going to the flasher unit, it agrees with the light on the dash: one flash and no more each time I use the signals. Any suggestion on this one? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 18:33:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4754140572 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:33:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D19840438 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:31:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so8574710ieb.28 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:29:39 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IjJFb6QP5ff3SVT62e7sJQizdOCRnuQpLGV0fGF1s/Y=; b=NfUBRWjdadZD8t3XC4YfJlijyXW2aH+l3yGMTCF0R9YVUOCTd483BvdPNsk7CbYwRb ecXQpmecTOU5fUC3DTTgaJOkHNdZPZXR3P7a5ht/lYu6kFF2WJJ9zM+aNu5cbK5mF08n az0ZbYt3IGpMJ6iTULH4oCQeRyUC7XOVx7uhsfg1HYvG5+SXtZCLGRn4/Y+PmWn18cyg RZRgOZvhPvTz6Ff/1JLIk8k1I+MC26+L/E1wEs4/rp1pDfdostKqABg8bDaitqtdASqB vN5RG3zkrimjiguPPPp+owDkvGyahhYUdfIEKFGPzwXYaN1b0cG97LfsvTlDUhhVdmQW qHJg== Received: by 10.50.16.177 with SMTP id h17mr12243940igd.52.1356312579841; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.72 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:29:39 -0800 (PST) References: <005001cde15e$d99ec990$8cdc5cb0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:29:39 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] OK - one more wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you using the usual incandescent bulbs with the brighter filament wired for the indicator? I ask as too little load can induce what you're seeing. Geo On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > When I turn on the "indicators" (I did grow up in Ireland, after all), the > light in the dash cluster flashes once and no more. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 18:43:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643CD4043A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:43:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C8140438 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7587B1C000092 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-med001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-med001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.1]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0E3BAE000086 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: Loumetelko@aol.com Full-name: Loumetelko Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:41:20 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356313281; bh=vR3w4GkQwH4/8ZwEe4o5ooA0bbPTaD0HfmNzvZWAWeA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a6MQkjs9gcZm1INTME2AmblMSE0HAhm2mat52sWIoIMnKhmR2MGcMufXbYin0c/JN cZX6+lFNS2p5bByTi00nNAGbO61ov3+ruClhA55dScoi2DjdUgHODWu8Rgq2Jf3+Uh WS1h5LZ/d+eqgsDSvGYhIEA58FiWE5bE2dAXTyoE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290950d7b2c11a34 Subject: [TR] Fwd: Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ____________________________________ From: Loumetelko@aol.com To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: 12/23/2012 4:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work. Really, I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to what was found on the TR2 & TR4. Bill On my early TR2 having suffered through the agony of synchronizing the two forward releases plus the paranoia of a break in of the main cable, I must ask why subject yourself through that agony? The two Dzus fasteners on the bonnet is the best and by far the simplest method. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 23 22:08:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9175B4055E for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:08:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779F640517 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:05:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fg15so2994784wgb.21 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:04:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O+vLX4mXnTIraBOW0kTn5/JCiPrxtZBqW0kA5LBzBIE=; b=lIGhnCVXl6ek6vPQP1oUHFFvtr4P5dXCBRVuA+9qNRhjxW7CwthJGEGBP5X9EyXCT1 qH4Z9HsNBvzen/xt16fB6Eq9feLIzbKcvbptjdlA1MnRSikDUmDnMA4VcWQPXXMzXdJ+ z9olUh7hgVcFsDhw9syBckmarLMGM/6edKV7kETL/yDG3ib/hhAgkvAu5t7Veufw2QNm 0WIDX68A3F6K/wM+syzBawTbfR8dWG/Fu+Yw/yjzbozXeyf9FDxrlA0fLgV/s9S6J1rq ZdVX41kUxBs7SuAusrzwmB6JroSopxmLcOt2Q/SWTUuuvGLOVxZKNdov/mSPvDjyXtAA 3JKA== Received: by 10.180.102.230 with SMTP id fr6mr33239313wib.4.1356325449588; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:04:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:04:09 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody following this one? A pretty well known car in the UK many years ago, I understand. Interesting look. Closes later tonight. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-TR2-RACE-/300833631353?clk_rvr_id=429857759544 Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 07:47:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAF0403FF for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:47:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927F4403DE for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121223211753474.UQZY23036@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:17:53 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=-dAQ_1J7mW0A:10 a=FjjbPU8hwOFGWYhsKCcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 31/A5-29976-CB477D05; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:16:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Wbeech'" , Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:16:44 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3hR21VXPeXAOBxRcSCwsgxRfSYdQACv6Kg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Drop Arm position Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Look carefully at the end of the shaft and the drop arm just outside of where the nut sits. All of mine have had match marks on them. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 07:48:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADE04052B for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:48:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DEB403DE for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121223232929492.KGPM21006@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:29:29 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=PSW7igovE7wA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ItW-4KECNjMA:10 a=khNTHbyenaWsF6jQaocA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55093] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CC/5D-29976-79397D05; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:28:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:28:24 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3hUabCK+lZ9zCpTViF29iVhYksnAAExIww Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Really, I was just looking for a bonnet > release system that might be similar to what was found on > the TR2 & TR4. That was kind of my point, the TR4 bonnet opens back to front, which allows the use of a less reliable catch. My Stag uses the same catch, and I can't count how many times it has popped open while traveling down the road. No way would I want that on a bonnet that opens front to back, as the edge of the bonnet will catch the air stream and very likely throw it into the windscreen (and possibly my head). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 07:48:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6614F4054B for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:48:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7E0403DE for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121223171401775.RHFR27959@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:14:01 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=PSW7igovE7wA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ItW-4KECNjMA:10 a=oA_FWsMmI0_fEUDqb20A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 92/EA-18568-69B37D05; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:12:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'karl sisson'" Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:12:55 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3hGWKzMT7fIimBTbGzf2eEjBPJFgAFsXxA Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Don I'd sure like to have one of those Dzus key fobs as I'm > constantly misplacing my T handle. Any idea on who made them > or where I could get one? The screwdriver blade of a 'Tinker' model swiss army knife actually works pretty good, as long as the buttons aren't too stiff. I also keep a collection of T handles scattered around, one in each door pocket plus one on the bench near where I park the car and another in the tool box. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 07:48:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF5F4052D for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:48:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB99403F7 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.53]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121223232515555.XHBK27959@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:25:15 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=eS9lz0XjUFIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fkgCegmF5NMA:10 a=RgWoIlv_sfgZiWz-KXQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55044] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3D/79-05345-C9297D05; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:24:12 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:24:13 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3hXmeOWiiOAfVaQIOYnp7nXL2OVAABXgMw Subject: Re: [TR] OK - one more wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > When I turn on the "indicators" (I did grow up in Ireland, > after all), the light in the dash cluster flashes once and no > more. The turn signals continue to work normally front and > rear. When I check the wire in the center of the three going > to the flasher unit, it agrees with the light on the dash: > one flash and no more each time I use the signals. Try a different flasher unit. When I went through this some years ago, I found that many of the units on the market would not work properly, even though they were listed for the application. The only unit I could find at my local auto parts store that would work properly was a Tridon EL-13 "electronic" flasher (it's actually electro-mechanical, not electronic). You can also try charging the battery and having the engine running when doing the test. Some of the "load sensitive" flashers don't work right when the battery voltage is a bit low. If doing that helps, you may find that something is limiting the current in the turn signal circuit. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 07:57:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087854043A for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:57:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9EF403DE for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:57:00 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=KFEXoVA0fvgA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=l3QO7Hc6UqYA:10 a=QtWv-uuoZw7_fOXynp8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=29SJy-omyujFAJmA:21 a=GiffvF4oW3hkFT7F:21 a=0T2zGqPxGA5-P-Iw7rIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=TPL6rMlX7MtSPNU4:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50515] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 16/4F-29547-FCC68D05; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:55:12 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:55:58 -0500 Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was really suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get some really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped from cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of dissapointing.. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 08:38:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296A6403F9 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:38:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654E44003E for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:38:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 15:36:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.36] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 15:36:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 15:36:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356363399; bh=0j7hmg3uxXVIyby+m5ILQBC+n+S/Iywx7ljnQ4P90Nk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Nxltt3G/WsmMgpWHprCtBFRajVi96ER9cAexGFgMgrtZMGyaKVRJA/WBZZa5+Ok+BVM5Mmk4/g0WALTXBQ02KzVucEO8OmH4NGYmBm6ZSanu/aXQGXrEUm7cG47BGUiM1JznBndy2l9Og9DJmyW98Amx0026xH+LT5ylm2oqnIc= RAMratXdUskTw25BOCUhjQgCGQz_UwS3nVZwh2B5Dm31VrGNzs0b68csh6.n i_BZ7Q43GWmLMZyW1zq6PJZUaHZrZMteZIC4PcFu4d1eTjA1FM0C5ltqUB8I wky891F1.lOOgq0JwCGxeKcjGmTT_kkUP5GoV7TxBu5nNHl3fPbMpm745YlK _H8nlhlLKJz6W0xHi6qNBN_ZHI7mzIEPrbRsO.xkV.X5maNMMrHEtbyXVdtG dHoQBDWOgHig0bP.E7fotJTPmn_cdQ1AR7NjTFpnDyPL2DY5bpImg2Ib2H3h K.bbTqAMDC0FGxY23o18A4et.j80OKTx7yPu0ac7MUpXTZZvBMkndHbisONM okFWQC0twmp0DOwonoCAt2VyXXyk3ESwsViJqFzIh.CPrGaWWYoorpJ3Wkwa aMS131Ib2.kYQjXbxlioM4enkUT2hD9FeFqrVMEqB47qdJJC0OIBTWrce3An JwGk7EnXSVscvkJEwmkhwPaGovY8gFp_QBKJKthGSRK5lbuCjjb1LNDvFwe7 zQ_N8IPqMSw-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2012 07:36:39 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:36:32 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3h5sIrRGC/BW0BTu6IVYaAzSRVEgABIxEg Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores or individuals. Last great deal I got was a Tropical Fan for $25 about a two years ago, before that I found a period-correct generator for $0.99 + $20S&H. BUT, we keep looking, as at any 2nd-hand store, in hopes of finding that odd treasure that has somehow been overlooked by others. One of my eBay tricks is to mis-spell what I am looking for, you never know. Merry Christmas to all and a very Triumph-ant New Year. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was really suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get some really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped from cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of dissapointing.. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 08:39:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8B140569 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:39:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9254003E for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id dq11so3341661wgb.14 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:37:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=VZ8ISsKdXruv4jE9OR/UusU9B0wzu7nK5xKSDPJ8DO8=; b=P2N3Vy4HdehOyXYJcK7/dlrW/QiCteblXfi80iSl2tV9+hT6K16GkJ6s1NR9uazt4O RmrhVRqSmxJK2Ze9aPze3uqukbjK3QT9eI2b/7CioEQKOryZycqPmUqcULr+t7hz5dcE OOjzGAhJ3mSYRMEcyDCdpfEIniE4VpTOghadP/WEOO6CzQaicn8haLJ2j/9nPyoTmZLc hq7rjPPdrrWOgeI9QDfuwqtSO/smiep+2FrFuCKEU9qVFRzB/ZEGsA88c886em8A0nNY sODHvKsdu7GGYl5mefz6qOWkqDXHJ4TbGMwK++XoUmtCGvOMrm/v1Xe9KCRE/cMFgB4p UzkA== Received: by 10.180.90.106 with SMTP id bv10mr34806259wib.12.1356363460436; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) References: <1356272704.54601.YahooMailNeo@web124503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <92.EA.18568.69B37D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:37:20 -0500 To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The original inspiration of the key fob Dzus tools I spoke ofearlier was a guy who had an inch and a half of 1/4-inch bar stock filed on one end to fit the Dzus and drilled on the other end to fit on a keyring. Not fancy, but it worked. A guy who's been around TRs for a while took it to another level some years ago with a small run of cast aluminum keyfob tools in the shape of a stylized TR3 where an extension to the rear wing/overrider became the carriage key. There was a version that opened like a penknife, too. They were pretty cool little items, and there are probably a few unfinished blanks left over. The market really isn't there to invest in tooling or support pricing that justifies the handwork. So the few that may still be kicking around are probably it for now. As a practical solution, Karl, you might want to whittle one out of bar stock or use the Swiss Army solution proposed by Randall. On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Randall wrote: > > Don I'd sure like to have one of those Dzus key fobs as I'm > > constantly misplacing my T handle. Any idea on who made them > > or where I could get one? > > The screwdriver blade of a 'Tinker' model swiss army knife actually works > pretty good, as long as the buttons aren't too stiff. > > I also keep a collection of T handles scattered around, one in each door > pocket plus one on the bench near where I park the car and another in the > tool box. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 08:55:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279D940561 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:55:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3711340396 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id fw7so7538406vcb.17 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:53:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zxAYoRZGogp93ViLpU9RQZTusDWR9TmNJzmCEcIH0M8=; b=c2trzkTO/uEv4bZ6IC2yXuHH5sxepjhOyMhcVEwXI/PfJSbjQXno3NdS8hQGzXznx3 9ZN+Rcb+P0Dp4a6/evt6x46+84TOLz8Virfihhx8P+vDN95JC2MZIiYMJ/TtpasNmEfD d5lpbgoDB8Mx20X9OhYaGr5A7uiKOZgXC33SFrDUPk0qQ9HmTs9nMla1y7yjyFTV0zs0 itK17Xr/osNSuuU5hJPnXVXw42rZ3AIgkiOkUdyd6Kc0ad9KnQbEbkwsTVImNQFtTkNa Y11/LEJ32y6KimgWTtCHRZvlGt6GDkjGz2Zb4n2Kqj9QNQ15PmI4iNKIxb1V+IsHS7iq +X8g== Received: by 10.58.214.231 with SMTP id od7mr34542427vec.44.1356364406538; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:53:26 -0800 (PST) References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> <43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:53:26 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To a certain extent Ebay has caused it's own mess. I believe the final straw was when Ebay started charging the seller based on on the price of the product AND shipping. Taking 9% of the selling cost is one thing, but taking 9% of the shipping as well means that many folks just lost money trying to sell there. But that's what happens when there's no competition in the marketplace. Jody On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Wbeech wrote: > Dave, > Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores or > individuals. Last great deal I got was a Tropical Fan for $25 about a two > years ago, before that I found a period-correct generator for $0.99 + > $20S&H. > > BUT, we keep looking, as at any 2nd-hand store, in hopes of finding that odd > treasure that has somehow been overlooked by others. One of my eBay tricks > is to mis-spell what I am looking for, you never know. > > Merry Christmas to all and a very Triumph-ant New Year. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices > > First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! > I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after > looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! > It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was > really suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could > get some really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the > advantage of buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable > parts stripped from cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or > TRF. Kind of dissapointing.. > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jodyfkerr@gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 08:59:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120B340405 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:59:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BC340414 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e4so8799387lag.38 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:56:58 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3hHZrM+nLTabQQxukrTHkug41u8NsGsSqZTkE9712RI=; b=guflAtvElAdFtlRQXlPDug6EyqFNV/3QMb/z5UPcaIu/SzGwArOr+0vaRLo4P2/Mw3 Pd/4FvfS6j7CBw6IpAOFfMLFJFJnaCnOkfZgIeIdUmEhvNAS/LFNHtt5OmJKJsSvucfZ i9i+b8jpbiqtL0KKTuI9IYWkX2E7yFeDFxujGFi4whdtPrZcAS5ne2VfD1BrRQwU32yy SwlgQeJNY2n5dWF+LQNRZVPlJq8+KHVwlGRxGTA0M04sHrUUlrBRNjLK20PGGBNHzt1e vr1vzpwjH+8wBbdCz78GuYueLJk8CJT0wL1Jym4DEgToBod8C0MTrGYPoeejRHLeDfTc TplQ== Received: by 10.112.50.109 with SMTP id b13mr8744861lbo.8.1356364252081; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:50:52 -0800 (PST) References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> <43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:50:52 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good deals are still out there but harder to find. I've come across a few when a part was incorrectly listed &/or poorly presented. In a recent extreme example I picked up an excellent capillary tube TR3A temp gauge for $26. I cleaned it up a bit, tested it, took more and better photos, listed it correctly & sold it for $200 to a guy in Europe. He then turned around and sold it on Europe's eBay for $330+. I don't make a habit of this bottom-feeding behavior but will admit it was a bit of fun. Promptly burned though the profits buying other stuff I actually needed of course. Geo On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Wbeech wrote: > Dave, > Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores > or > individuals. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 09:09:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767F403FD for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:09:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEE840047 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:07:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ds1so2681882wgb.0 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=fMvTsS6RlHfAndD4yBsMPMCUo33oEvLbSo9Ok71Mv5c=; b=kIGyUBIzl2dng0OZhPMq+HmbwfnK5e+33o8RBZ7mAOV4yTmEPfFifZInbSuyjylvNM p6XsLUUong+zB6dhvSAgMOS6Bj0jxUCMLubJyZPHQC0IE3ldog9OqMBXkjpYLq1iDIHO 8ONSTs5m488coh0z7DnU2Ca3xOXnH9Qm2TH1YcCDgsJn+91bBgyBQr8HOY+2NIsGjeAT E8i3hgnPti9yinVQQSZDW8maNVjpQkXNq3HXqfSkyOG1ma3JW8jB0/XsfTH+Sfl1Iwj5 DfuaNtXWY7GGvnQbekofVrl8EyH/R4vHnVjydAkJPsPsYffi9ex15ufs7WmMG/Y3rsq5 h9Dw== Received: by 10.194.58.13 with SMTP id m13mr17923743wjq.18.1356365165618; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:05:45 -0800 (PST) References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:05:45 -0500 To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net eBay really wants to be Amazon. That's at the heart of a lot of their recent changes to "simplify" shipping to bidders -- er... "buyers" in new eBay-speak. They're trying more and more to become a storefront where people put stuff in a cart and buy it. They've also gotten what many of us feel to be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping. This might be the future eBay, but for those of us who remember the "old" 'Bay, it really seems to have lost something. We bidders -- and even sellers in the traditional sense -- don't seem to factor into eBay's future plans. I'm reminded of Darrell Royal's "dance with the one that brung you" line. eBay forgets that at its peril, IMO. Don On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! > I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after > looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! > It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was > really > suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get > some > really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of > buying > replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped > from > cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of > dissapointing.. > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 10:19:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C0C40413 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:19:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D77E403F5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 17:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 49288 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2012 17:16:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356369407; bh=EaT6R2B8retFbfF2pJxwRdCXfo+X9I8ejnd24xqmrB0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DK4rgsGydmuZY3qEM6fQXNaMExulMdPEvdYZ0mLMvioTM9xvCPTXfsFD0L8y0FNPb0wdSthOeQMcvrHLTM+8Hq2Oau9Gaq2vDmlB1lboJX1b6m+aKk2KunAGkrzDFQMDsy/d6ALnOlfjQ+bjVZIi1gQqn7pCcOubsw7mzFAORJk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GMz/WGuj8x2c9Sqq1acPd8ckMrZbnbbM5Q60WvjxBRJygnQRkr/sVAMN4GLCCQk4UoylmuZgykqPztchne20Vqy9Ggal+q1SlZu2m9ayX8OYAzS5I7Xb4+nL5OFLOMTVpADqMBp5nCCuGaZwn+6ZCxDgxKOUW7NnM6NSYERya3Y=; JAtmexmtzQHDmUtAA9AIBV71PCPl7su9H7bOHElV_FpK_P0C3JBRPZPV2NWq vyRM8CoiYb9EL76Sw._rqKpFEgzUL0OyBqZ_NPVc3Nx463qxMChOGS3oriki XctG9alhOUPv_n.BQhRJhLl8L34587eor3kk0jfMN7NTPk.T4LwFLOAlAY3s Ly85IIpl5TRZwkXXiiM9q4H96QVTsnSiYLyjwULW.PXIuzyuM7cbHnttLfkG 5ayWhTHdfxA1VRXOd_xqeLsI_fHdrHeYUPkzdVteXP6bSbOXp5qHlFvcWZ33 9_uuPMsBHPnVnGm4RuuXsImj8A45hpkMSRpz1QjuqURfcmIfv7x.6FGXr9_3 twbPwvBesYMty_jZsnENBq4qtP7pIxF3Zu5Tnd.GJKWQTPVV9qihvNgs6v7S .uDG33FjemOHnxNij8cXAlFoICxaxQRfjN6F7Q.f68p.6__ddknqYbsgaa5O GZnZZq3uYSN5_1qqtlNi2 Received: from [71.103.140.143] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:16:46 PST YWN0dWFseSBuby4KQW1hem9uIHdhbnRzIHRvIGJlIGViYXkuCnRoZXkgaGF2ZSBqdXN0IGhpcmVkIGEgZ3V5IG5hbWVkIG9yIG5pY2tuYW1lZCAiZmFtb3VzIiB3aG8gc2V0IHVwIGViYXkgbW90b3JzLgp0aGVyZSBhcmUgYSBidW5jaCBvZiBjb21wYW5pZXMgbm93IHdobyBoYXZlIHF1aWNrIGludGVyZmFjZSBzb2Z0d2FyZSB0byBzZWxsIG9uIGViYXkgYW5kIG90aGVyIGUtY29tbWVyY2UgcGxhdGZvcm1zIGFsbCBzaW11bHRhbmVvdXNseS4gZWJheSBhcmUgc3RydWdnbGluZyB0byByZWluIHRoZW0gaW4gd2kBMAEBAQE- References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:16:46 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Don Hiscock , Dave Connitt Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net actualy no. Amazon wants to be ebay. they have just hired a guy named or nicknamed "famous" who set up ebay motors. there are a bunch of companies now who have quick interface software to sell on ebay and other e-commerce platforms all simultaneously. ebay are struggling to rein them in with their item descriptions and bothersome multiple listings. but as in all software quick as ebey respond the Lister's find ways around. ________________________________ From: Don Hiscock To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices eBay really wants to be Amazon. That's at the heart of a lot of their recent changes to "simplify" shipping to bidders -- er... "buyers" in new eBay-speak. They're trying more and more to become a storefront where people put stuff in a cart and buy it. They've also gotten what many of us feel to be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping. This might be the future eBay, but for those of us who remember the "old" 'Bay, it really seems to have lost something. We bidders -- and even sellers in the traditional sense -- don't seem to factor into eBay's future plans. I'm reminded of Darrell Royal's "dance with the one that brung you" line. eBay forgets that at its peril, IMO. Don On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! > I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after > looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! > It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was > really > suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get > some > really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of > buying > replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped > from > cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of > dissapointing.. > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 10:31:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626E440409 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:31:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3490403F5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hj13so4151252wib.7 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yhDddiN1hkTm5AfMtu4vtYcmMvxujZiCY+clK1JC0TE=; b=tQX7NQG6ggbUGU4p9bbjfYEzyynjxLvjrjesbYSeiOxqr5A6Sy201Z0f1EbnezAEVv JNQdsZwQomJ53UmxQiEacych4BjqKXWzA0Qy2CPr++6WGGJT21p060vRgn5yVT+uWeK3 7Ts4KT0rcU6Vwa6dCtUToYq6CuNuwDLlY2UPruOU6lyumhFji+ah9e6TdZzV9TPEqTFf rlwPu9bPOWYinJ95BjYzeoZqPxMWWXRdlFlYFbyjG0f8IGdjAuH+KpcAYmwh5ngzwAWR gvNGASDAtz8aklo2fJhyTwQj319W3mmuyCXzWSz8KZ7HRQuKvUeRlJTlf10woJJOOP1f REvA== Received: by 10.180.90.106 with SMTP id bv10mr35219062wib.12.1356370139579; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> <1356369406.21037.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:28:59 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Frank Fisher Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a friend who consults with eBay on advanced concepts from time to time. It's his assessment that eBay wants to be Amazon based on a number of brainstorming sessions with them around a conference room with whiteboard walls as they imagine their future. Of course, that was earlier in 2012. Maybe eBay are perfectly happy being eBay now, but I don't really see signs of that. Don On 12/24/12, Frank Fisher wrote: > actualy no. > Amazon wants to be ebay. > they have just hired a guy named or nicknamed "famous" who set up ebay > motors. > there are a bunch of companies now who have quick interface software to sell > on ebay and other e-commerce platforms all simultaneously. ebay are > struggling to rein them in with their item descriptions and bothersome > multiple listings. > but as in all software quick as ebey respond the Lister's find ways around. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Don Hiscock > To: Dave Connitt > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices > > eBay really wants to be Amazon. That's at the heart of a lot of their > recent changes to "simplify" shipping to bidders -- er... "buyers" in new > eBay-speak. They're trying more and more to become a storefront where > people put stuff in a cart and buy it. They've also gotten what many of us > feel to be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping. > > This might be the future eBay, but for those of us who remember the "old" > 'Bay, it really seems to have lost something. We bidders -- and even > sellers in the traditional sense -- don't seem to factor into eBay's future > plans. I'm reminded of Darrell Royal's "dance with the one that brung you" > line. eBay forgets that at its peril, IMO. > > Don > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > >> First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! >> I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after >> looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! >> It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was >> really >> suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get >> some >> really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of >> buying >> replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped >> from >> cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of >> dissapointing.. >> Dave Connitt >> '67 TR4A IRS >> http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 10:37:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A200A40443 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:37:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD87403F5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fVRV1k0011eYJf8A6VbAD4; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:35:10 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fVb91k00W2xZMJ401Vb9g0; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:35:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:35:09 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Frank Fisher s=q20121106; t=1356370510; bh=6Zp3gMuNPy30lqdExKMrA+FhvTLY5t6tr7Snc359h2Q=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YnT4A6c/HqwsrIORu7SMB0LJcdZyKbLCa602L+2HmU+GVHWRm9bwyc1NA576Ai+Ne pBC/skfUz2AXPAYjuApeNbGNxAaNHl1IzbO6nW/yqz9fl36ZP6R8gXdfjkW4AbxqxG iM4HYlYuF8rY8MUb4mCOEoU6yyWFPRH8wX3YXu0Z5ZbNfRRcJ8tYJjc09CKH0lWTHi UarZ+RwZkFAVNed+sB4UrNgrWuwn/EztKsaSAWA7lyDpRPUTDPo5ND46pdOJ2h6L4A HTm7C6YZmrWq4CR1MUwb3dXcp9rpMr3Xl30eXAD5ch3NTlS40unLXS/Jtvzy2tikja Jt7OnvZqHtFjw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > They've also gotten what many of us > feel to > be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping. Seeing Ebay's side of this, there are sellers who essentially give away the merchandise and make it up on outrageous shipping fees. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 11:22:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825054043D for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:22:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2A7403F5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id x48so3358100wey.8 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:20:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=HV5WrrDKESGEOw2LLJLsvRwwAsyPpDQB/fu1BqrJWN0=; b=VH9tK87xgbcAK/HGN+JCSGj4DdgmNPEE70FuN0bH/45rRQcesTA8zBeXWZ7d1xOFOn UnmLhO6Og5Zfl2zCoILeEzqfVxCL4bGeGm92acowG79DAJ8gT9xmKytbTgUTnV+TtI1I +xVfcN3P+Ae4FIWhj+GnajF1z7C4cq/gGPNMuA/J21eyDHCIa3hIyP2+O7a2+iajFkd3 vmB9l+XYbCrc9z9BA7O4/ojod3LAIE8H39mQncQd7w2S9ucp0BxOm9qHf4kC964dVn/P REnUthOSEXjOFWmDwgc/NNG7D+Sr0/x5xGsncAiVp/Y8Zsi0n8SkYU07zd7D1k2iHQGU Gi9g== Received: by 10.180.102.230 with SMTP id fr6mr36113915wib.4.1356373215128; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:19:55 -0800 (PST) References: <1356369406.21037.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1930776211.508418.1356370509862.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:19:55 -0500 To: pethier@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sure, but eBay could have put a minimum on final value above which shipping was not included in fees. Those items with near zero cost and high shipping are often under ten bucks or so. If final value charges were calculated *without* shipping if the auction ends over a value of, say $50, there'd be a lot less complaining about eBay in this regard. On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM, wrote: > > They've also gotten what many of us > > feel to > > be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping. > > > Seeing Ebay's side of this, there are sellers who essentially give away > the merchandise and make it up on outrageous shipping fees. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 13:06:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648D24041F for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:06:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BB2403F5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 20:03:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.214] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 20:03:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 20:03:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3024 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2012 20:03:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356379436; bh=ND52z4ImWTfhNuClL7NdVT71qTyxCq7jr0bO/ejP9rY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Uoho/2s6BqTgxUXzgIb2kYYungcaNKWVUGjwpoJKsnXXKG2Pe6VeSXPJbubBMp9TfM0+ZObfv7Qmzp1VPg+aUV1Cwo5eUlSldP/kkwNxFF57ZdNlv9dgnLsz+RX4kk48X+lLZHFRVgrG7nAVXMld7Oi9/oPxb15REzRQJRjdY8k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ft38UxFJVfR5aStBSu8bl20X6gX4Rpbdsh4rR7V3mPcKDqw9GSSMwM5qXUriattEyqVXbwtBQNu26zqVW9A27svy62nNNEPtNXwYPJyk9+BXqoUwuwzHmkPfcByM2xOaNyqTv02+NHnoIFwPuk/QQCDbUYg5dBl1qmt+OMvAqIM=; UJW.e0_4chAq36L5MbnzGsR_4slljss_Tvs4WiTQFSVIM4FMl8H5TLo9KqYK 3RDoQ_eZpUHeVLK1yr4QwhWavR2jvdmksXHm28sKqr7qri4vVRVICnuXo3nD KHwsnAkQOgy955nLtZpYSdVNvl8xfSgzMOUkbRplRVfWfGtKLAp9KcnzPKaG 9HkTxybEzvYSAlDD5lu1mQKUMgARY3ky.wu9J4YHHDAN6jiFHwFmOrzwtiJo mQ_TaJg7eMbEVz1MSfdvUc83de5kHCAQcLfgOvozhOFvesl9KyklfULlqC2Z OHJdyVkJtZK7z2jotop6qvnzGBg3xNFDzzrHNi_ES2FBVblRXn4aBekxlfyK yiQVz8ZddTO5MetdPTsYBkMyH.1Dj91x9cLpqE1khfXsDjBQpHbNyNFNJzxO l7ssYYDkHEnhBmEh1PmeGW7UVsnDYYGGOwRX33jzPPrPsGMRXfxo- Received: from [71.50.37.16] by web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:03:55 PST SGFwcHkgSG9saWRheXMgTGlzdCEKSSB0cmllZCBnZXR0aW5nIG9uIEUtYmF5IHRvIHNlbGwgTE9UUyBvZiBteSBzcGFyZSBUUklVTVBIIHBhcnRzLCBidXQgb25lIGhhZCB0byBhbHNvIGpvaW4gUGF5LXBhbGwgKFAtUCkuIFdlbGwgdGhlcmUgd2FzIGEgbWlzdGFrZSBtYWRlIGF0IFAtUCAmIEkgdHJpZWQgdG8gZml4IGl0LiBJIHdhcyBldmVuIGFibGUgdG8gJ1RhbGsgdG8gYSBSRUFMIHBlcnNvbicgdG8gYmUgdG9sZCB0aGF0IHRoZSBwcm9ibGVtIHdhcyByZXNvbHZlZC4gTG9uZyBzdG9yeSBzaG9ydCwgdGgBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Holidays List! I tried getting on E-bay to sell LOTS of my spare TRIUMPH parts, but one had to also join Pay-pall (P-P). Well there was a mistake made at P-P & I tried to fix it. I was even able to 'Talk to a REAL person' to be told that the problem was resolved. Long story short, the problem was NEVER resolved & I've haven't dealt with either of them again. I'm not going to get into who gets what % on selling. money exchange, or shipping. I feel if a mistake can't be solved after talking to a person, then I really can't trust that person/system. This is why I love this list, because if you have a problem, then you can (98% of the time solve it, of course off line). I've NEVER had a problem with ALL the people on this list. In fact, it's just the opposite. I'll get the part before I have even gotten a chance to write out the cheque (I NEVER write out a cheque until I know the money is in that checking account to cover the cheque.). this may take a couple of days & that's why I may receive the item before I get a chance to send the cheque. In fact, I'll go as far as saying that I'll trust this list more than some of my 'family members'. I consider this list as a VERY Close Family. I am in the process of GREATLY down sizing my belonging & 65% of that is TRIUMPH items. so to you lookers out there, contact me off list. The rest of you all, Happy Holidays to you & your love ones (weather its a person or your TRIUMPH)! -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 14:10:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9C04041F for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:10:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF95403F9 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id IHG92924; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:08:24 -0600 From: "Michael Marr" To: "Frank Fisher" , "Don Hiscock" , "Triumphs List" References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101> <1356198084.57976.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1356281876.79309.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:08:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So, here is what Earls Court means to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxz4aPoudv8 Mike From: Frank Fisher Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:57 AM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned add to the boat thing, that i can get sea sick on a pond and you get more idea of why they didn't come up in my dreams and how funny is it that i appreciate the Tattoo's now more than i did when i lived there. not that i didn't appreciate them back then. but maybe more now that i see so few. From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Boats were only in my dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and ultimately owned several They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two happiest days of a boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it. And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo. My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time I wrote my note. Mike From: Frank Fisher Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned never did the boat show. could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Dolly birds? You're a child of the 60s, Frank! Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest. My dad would yell himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would beat the Devonport barracks. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fisher" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM To: "Don Hiscock" ; "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > good grief > whats the world coming to? > i used to take the train from liverpool > to london and then the tube. > there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun > weekend. > and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > > From: Don Hiscock > > To: Triumphs > Sent: Friday, > December 21, 2012 5:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > The > traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our > cars > were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the > venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- > campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > > Don > > ** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 16:19:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F77A40409 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:19:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3305A403F2 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.52]) by hrndva-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121224222924661.MVIB14727@hrndva-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:29:24 +0000 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=tG3xxOZzwi0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HABSJ3aZinYA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=DLXO72i6AAAA:8 a=AFAgp7RTAAAA:8 a=Yj6AbwPybd9h_-vrCfIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E6k37eg1NvgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:60065] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 67/22-26019-707D8D05; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:28:23 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" Cc: References: <1356369406.21037.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1930776211.508418.1356370509862.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:28:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Actually the one way ebay has gotten better is that they have policies that discourage excessive shipping, not long after e-bay started some sellers realized they could maximize returns by not listing shipping costs and then charging truly outrageous S & H. E bay makes it harder now not to list your sipping prices, and if you can give specific feedback on shipping charges, if seller gets a low rating I beleive their ebay fees go up. I agree with Kosmo Kramer, although I haven't been on the Triumph list long I was a Healey lister for many years, and the people there were very great, I haven't been on the Triumph list as long, but there is the same willingness to lend expertise, or a hand if nearby, or a part if not available elsewhere. Merry Christmas to all and A TRIUMPHANT New Year. Greg Lemon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hiscock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices > Sure, but eBay could have put a minimum on final value above which > shipping > was not included in fees. Those items with near zero cost and high > shipping are often under ten bucks or so. If final value charges were > calculated *without* shipping if the auction ends over a value of, say > $50, > there'd be a lot less complaining about eBay in this regard. > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM, wrote: > >> > They've also gotten what many of us >> > feel to >> > be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping. >> >> >> Seeing Ebay's side of this, there are sellers who essentially give away >> the merchandise and make it up on outrageous shipping fees. >> >> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue >> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch >> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl >> 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red >> pethier@comcast.net >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier >> http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica >> http://www.mnautox.com >> http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 24 16:59:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD4E40405 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:59:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28771403F2 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EDD261C000046 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (user-108707f.cable.mindspring.com [64.131.128.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 903E8E00008E for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) References: <1356379435.2647.YahooMailNeo@web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Lawrence Schwartz Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:57:25 -0500 To: Triumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356393447; bh=TxTLYUF5r9vRUeh6LV5OIoC60c7t8snhdUa/+zHMS9g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=CJJAoDlpWrciGn32iEgRLJfyvXIQeNfEJon5AJ4q8jghzY2IscVLoIGgMuQ+t+vmz OEdGL4F/kBGL2OSsNfBcqmPNIScRga5RXHfHvC+I79aSY7eiJUaavsTRb8jqah1BkK OM7+L0YQmXf4f20GigR9/eJGKuGnK7Rfj24FNPmQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290350d8ebe64445 Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, a very profitable co. like has become more concern about greed then anything else. Happy Holidays to all. Larry Schwartz Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > Happy Holidays List! > I tried getting on E-bay to sell LOTS of my spare TRIUMPH > parts, but one had to also join Pay-pall (P-P). Well there was a mistake made > at P-P & I tried to fix it. I was even able to 'Talk to a REAL person' to be > told that the problem was resolved. Long story short, the problem was NEVER > resolved & I've haven't dealt with either of them again. > > I'm not going to > get into who gets what % on selling. money exchange, or shipping. I feel if a > mistake can't be solved after talking to a person, then I really can't trust > that person/system. This is why I love this list, because if you have a > problem, then you can (98% of the time solve it, of course off line). I've > NEVER had a problem with ALL the people on this list. In fact, it's just the > opposite. I'll get the part before I have even gotten a chance to write out > the cheque (I NEVER write out a cheque until I know the money is in that > checking account to cover the cheque.). this may take a couple of days & > that's why I may receive the item before I get a chance to send the cheque. In > fact, I'll go as far as saying that I'll trust this list more than some of my > 'family members'. I consider this list as a VERY Close Family. > > I am in the > process of GREATLY down sizing my belonging & 65% of that is TRIUMPH items. so > to you lookers out there, contact me off list. The rest of you all, Happy > Holidays to you & your love ones (weather its a person or your TRIUMPH)! > -Cosmo Kramer > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/l1j1s@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 08:03:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDEE4041C for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:03:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8652C40405 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 15:45:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.42] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 15:45:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2012 15:45:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356363929; bh=qohUIBxWXlefYVg76qimj74y7IXmCKaQKnIjGoK2Ha0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=IAcCNPoL3iL27K+bMrR54gFKM2BKUn07fYKV/tgwWQP8KB8LR8FDQM47muXndFR4YDYvcgcWHt68iHrSejtG+xGYsEsfzp/mvqqVroFzJKBcJnD3VDdwBW8XyElDRpWOYmEJOIPCaBffhig6UfL+J1MF1rTEqgjh26yXA8Cvmq0= RSb7yRVN9HJ0vxsof7BcivT0Uf52QQARLQ3TDNG_pqN4W6OrPxRITCOtNRMd lb8MWCFoNIMTgDo3vCM7RoDCBgXJSrYCum9gRZCst1dej2o2PO2cSy7s.dXN OMuSiU.S_az5oRYva9Gu2RT.JfUBLh2Q1LsTgC0OXe0OQAFOAhObDE9KjH2_ KU.UTmKQWPB6q4jiudGd_8kLVdKzI7lJLXB3ElKCSa9L4Ktde42itHCowWkr BIHiF.Nv9SO6i25lnALByj380re3puIkQrVXDprB82nMxD01xj_rqJRIRt2c 7Kq1qDxegoL0UxFrtVc0T0N6JfzhfzKMgnQ8CMLW.nWAsU6P64QR6pSs7oW4 _3u0Ros18IiDKQ6_m0I04NlFi0LUagZmvWhfOKOaergNDZUYJ4Ruu2J27TTf 32xHtWmVy1CrfvQ_A72Fa9PkkA46MG7UOhQKIrh3bx4lK6NakYW6tU80xmLY _UUh_yi48eTNh5mduh16NLo8fqIzTcATMTLMH8KTiWMN8NmGB18ejwB3KpCy pzD7IqmHTUuQMw3tyq0XHR6i2I_wt2q92oDA0nNcKXSK9BoxUL5UVvv.xQn_ QMQINW28TN_LHmf8p Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2012 07:45:29 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Don Hiscock'" , References: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:45:23 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3hlIxerwBn2SwfShKTo/vDu4Pi7AAV8Maw Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it on some of the really fun track in the US. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:04 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight Anybody following this one? A pretty well known car in the UK many years ago, I understand. Interesting look. Closes later tonight. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-TR2-RACE-/300833631353?clk_rvr_id=42985775 9544 Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 08:52:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7D14041C for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:52:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE5D40400 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id frRo1k00D1smiN4A1rqJJ0; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:50:18 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id frqH1k00M2yr1eL8grqHhp; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:50:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:50:17 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Wbeech s=q20121106; t=1356450618; bh=ZwVk1sYM73nK194KUUMtZLUE2RZJRS6gR95kLcxp6Do=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QLErJNUhYtdYdgu4CLRE4x0C+PAdZBBKUZFwb6yTfJXNoc5Ir5mslf1zQsxTYg38f g0FXIPaqnWxRR0ZTehSWsSSLilqV/67dnce35k279YZ+JpgRldLKFX/gsQ8BiVJu20 Bcr7oF5CGo4isvBi/KL8ilcu3xMDtjBVfZsV5S+iPz0nj6Y/Fyf6GSBZFAKgeteCmP RPKWcgNUB30TbwmN43pqcFvUGKMhZmZ+EKdtoagsVLR5/CQHaSiBC2/ujdiSuU8xXM wH+zXDFg3HjEd2cXMqtsvKOT6wAmYZohvAac2Z80k3Ncrcwvi7fNTfQkeq8zpI4e6n dvowK/sKxammQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wbeech" > To: "Don Hiscock" , triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:45:23 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight > Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at > 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it > on > some of the really fun track in the US. > Bill Really fun track? B I recommend the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point West Virginia. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 10:43:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD46940423 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:43:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.177.254]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CEF40405 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:42:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.207] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 17:40:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 17:40:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356457232; bh=xP62oszPzklSvzQDHSL1NiaYDpIUsIv6MKwMjwiv2r0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=huYnpu1uBN093rAcOdMWBOQHs62B/PKjkPDmZzXOipxDIDrTHuzPHwEBLrubZZIa6c235dxfKDXKnHHYQzY4vCBH2xbkL69oH2U8TViuXEzkx7a0+OBtNxFEv8IEJ3MxZaUCKzsAgI6ViOUWAfvoyioOP43LjchyL8rkyqblGvw= jTsTFNVh76Qz2K16HBkW9Muy_53EQllvooZ9m8tgKKLcMNHF2b7K5ZZjBTx0 OsksmecqeRy5MYIPQ1hV3y_fDK7xibLdTxJp.ba9Vkx7xFEe12u9vG9Jc0ry AZsnkr1TO0YEOOeRau13Rm_ejp4RabYOsRfpjUK7HQc6WQGWdi99jCY2VxC8 WdyTq06pB1THPr8S0K_XxeHOgaGP5tJyv47fffgheensUV2sjQtf5dfuroDS R7_6JaqDXVi83mweorDpwEdnCld_N7T7tqulQQw.2d3zt0Psy7NKytJsMXIf Yem1nbkbJb5MuWaw6ZHUe7WBPKI8YHYOrHOiUY.H4s8IJUjvM.g2t93sKUqP 1VRpCcx4HPP95zKK.HsIszokKGhr2MJ8R5LojHRBdl155UZ_20iFFL9I_LbO _1Id37L6oHfDk5rcSwCPL1CEebjK1XdEihnjwKswgrJ0.QgGmCx6AnUuchvV hgEEYUAqpcHCgI7DCz_Z4FvpStCUYuUTkXN2VgSpeGfcHXNTfu0BJdXk8Jcw hjqHCR0C.BwyWOr9t0p9m0iQR10KUAhSE3H.YUfJw.kLTg3ANl3_h3VxAKx2 k1PrgnYoJ9aUM3AVgZnOCNT9q6g7oLSPsWwbIhgAi_DKyR9HJVCKgfhw- Received: from [192.168.1.103] (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with plain) by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2012 09:40:32 -0800 PST References: <1620013892.512062.1356450617552.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:40:31 -0600 To: "pethier@comcast.net" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had VIR in mind but I'm sure there are many others. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:50 AM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wbeech" > To: "Don Hiscock" , triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:45:23 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight > Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at > 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it > on > some of the really fun track in the US. > Bill Really fun track? I recommend the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point West Virginia. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 11:08:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EFA40453 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:08:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8433240066 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 18:06:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.237] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 18:06:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 18:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 92269 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2012 18:06:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356458781; bh=NbxyeCrE/cPtQ6pTP2wJQXwEoH0BBfZgNd+tODhNoUE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vQxFPK106/jk3M6pJMyiujruTjuqBZTf0uR62MqyTtciO7/WjzMF5ojqaM6ByWrU/5T/PHhqr1Ih9vQn7x1mXUWWg5Y/UpQ0awoVKg6kA0+grlOjxxZb6ncB7+IpGgFDCvp7dcfnkglsqoeiRQFnL7F1FtZrFxhg7C/yX8b/6Sk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GbD6fRHJPT2yBKQIGZ66SmJLLLk3oLfQKRyqRGZf7H/6dOARrvbrZqReLE18+S51MLzmUu2kGfEdYjzP4eVNOTXryWtpe5oKdZ29j96MFzadFzygS3RvCRZ0+592l3vygWMNN6ka93EGdJtN8K1yTLBVWmj3htkxgdcuZyfTOPU=; oynXeziACakaSFWr00ryiBk9QVA9X_90XitV7RLNK0suZUaydw1i2w8nzjxo 6eqFgrKzNLHG4Qe6ag2jo.xvz_PcWxUSp2D.88P.amSAMWKxKZmP8s6aiegb P4u9JyNVCnonE8epGXcYuEabzahZk1uRV1m0cLnSu0VDqaLeDaOG2TDW0q4f 3iSmNrhPsKSuZFko6MlCYS6G6nq6gMVDOoMLh98zCrvP8Q3EL6PyBV0vtw1w acaOY2SAU9f5xWFFf8OqkU3Qt_tCDTvQldA1reFAj5WeLNH0W2t_V1mzNsT. 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And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo. My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time I wrote my note. Mike From: Frank Fisher Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned never did the boat show. could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams ________________________________ From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Dolly birds? You're a child of the 60s, Frank! Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest. My dad would yell himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would beat the Devonport barracks. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fisher" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM To: "Don Hiscock" ; "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > good grief > whats the world coming to? > i used to take the train from liverpool > to london and then the tube. > there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun > weekend. > and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > > From: Don Hiscock > > To: Triumphs > Sent: Friday, > December 21, 2012 5:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > The > traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our > cars > were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the > venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- > campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > > Don > > ** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 11:59:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0AE40515 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:59:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE7040329 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:58:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fuqS1k0021u4NiLAEuwg2E; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:56:40 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fuwf1k00V2yr1eL8huwfJi; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:56:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: WBEECH s=q20121106; t=1356461800; bh=vJJar+eMYYgmLVwJXSAinb7sAaHk9gha1bG3Nk40XAY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=iyInR0hDDRW8MG07apM/jFY+3Me4Zq+eLia5BwFMRlXAoqc8cdQOVdraG0lPC+vjP +dXSqtbymX2KgftQKE1e7KuJJsmOyu9Z/AvsqaHGiqRsg2qRH6lxqbk0oOf0l3KMln UCCiGp1ldBJDA9ljfi+iZkgg6HjACGPVtz0/laNJfAuVSl0sEeM/BxjE5kg2GtqwxH jiuOD/7fGIR0G9g7Prwf7hV0e9kiGSdkokCMs7tWySBNNhTo24FZzAZpIZ4OISTRqQ JWOgBw3GeAzOUDpsFjU3LYrhDXiXGzD7kzQtYSAMq5MNPYRjxyyS24hXBvUcwF5HMB ieJ9B1mRuIXlg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a motorsports park in Arlington Texas, but I have not been there. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WBEECH" > To: pethier@comcast.net > Cc: "Don Hiscock" , triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 11:40:31 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight > I had VIR in mind but I'm sure there are many others. > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:50 AM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wbeech" > > To: "Don Hiscock" , triumphs@autox.team.net > > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:45:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing > > tonight > > Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at > > 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it > > on > > some of the really fun track in the US. > > Bill > > Really fun track? I recommend the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point > West Virginia. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 12:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAA34051B for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:34:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth20.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth20.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD92640432 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2387 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2012 19:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.105.138) by smtpauth20.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.36) with ESMTP; 25 Dec 2012 19:31:36 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:31:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3i1RFvBM9hoTA+S9u3E9PsNTl78w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Boot hinge - bah humbug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Merry Christmas. I recently acquired two TR3s which came with a box of new stuff - presumably bought for a restoration which never happened. Since I was finishing off a small mouth restoration I was delighted to find three new boot hinges, shiny chrome, never used. Murphy's law now applies. Don't ask me how, but all three are driver's side ! Does anyone out there have an odd passenger side boot hinge? All I ask it that it is new or in great shape to match the others. I'd be happy to trade both the superfluous driver's sides, or pay directly. Here's hoping. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 13:43:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370C340448 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:43:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0294640432 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.52]) by hrndva-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121224160802419.DYNI20957@hrndva-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:08:02 +0000 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=tG3xxOZzwi0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HABSJ3aZinYA:10 a=bXed6fzWQXTUKOnGMYgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:63269] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EC/78-26019-4AD78D05; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:07:00 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jody Kerr" , "Wbeech" References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop><43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:06:59 -0600 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I really don't totally understand what Ebay is doing, it used to be a great place to get used parts you couldn't get anywhere else, with the bulk of the sellers people like us, listers and hobbyists who had parts cars, etc. They have really decided to try to appeal to the mass marketer as sellers, retailers and other big players, someone once stated it as they were trying to compete with Amazon. It used to be easy to do an occasional sale on Ebay, but then you had to have Paypal, then you had to have Paypal linked to your Ebay account. etc. I agree that the E bay deals, both on new and used parts are few and far between, and between paypal and Ebay fees it takes a big cut out of your selling. When it started out I felt it really was a "community" of like minded people trading in what interested them, not so much anymore. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 14:18:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0DC40445 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:18:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ABB4041F for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:17:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fwdz1k0031c6gX855xFngr; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:15:47 +0000 Received: from [10.254.88.7] ([174.228.2.195]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fxFX1k00s4CSyYE3jxFa2Z; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:15:45 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?R3JlZyBMZW1vbg==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?Sm9keSBLZXJy?=" ,"Wbeech" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:15:45 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1356470147; bh=8M40aAts+1ZVh7MBe8PBkw0TZ/zPWe8717SW8jzpZ98=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V++CEBOPd9rZmEgG8W/X9cD6t/Q4O1B+/Wt4HPuq4d0WxRxX1S6wRGf/NqBaRQqac MVjCCjO3HXiYHHn2kt4e0AzUjWtWSip/Tv99ms23/WytJ0hTHJ9ZfeRUPAdvGbZmRJ dSIIXzRwu9Aj4f6eKOzjhRhquxKcbMgGInVDgdh6nKJ9AFZkqMq9QKxu6hCgONVKgl 4Aw5KKzvtNU2q8qH5/zzXwNdw6+2478BwNIo1YytGTAuh7iwpYr3P49AaGJZKAB10t Js90q55mMTfqIJsxIp/7EOrYSDnKT6fOLCfZ9pbMeq+KoU0qPU6oiXWOg4yBVrklgY Wx6ne9fRpOEMA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Ebay_vs=2E_mail_order_TR_part_prices?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net EBay is just another hack outfit squeezing every penny out of both buyer and seller. My favorites are the ads: eight foot windsplitter with solar cells (fits:Tr4) Half the stuff on eBay is crap from China. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jody Kerr" , "Wbeech" Cc: Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:06 I really don't totally understand what Ebay is doing, it used to be a great place to get used parts you couldn't get anywhere else, with the bulk of the sellers people like us, listers and hobbyists who had parts cars, etc. They have really decided to try to appeal to the mass marketer as sellers, retailers and other big players, someone once stated it as they were trying to compete with Amazon. It used to be easy to do an occasional sale on Ebay, but then you had to have Paypal, then you had to have Paypal linked to your Ebay account. etc. I agree that the E bay deals, both on new and used parts are few and far between, and between paypal and Ebay fees it takes a big cut out of your selling. When it started out I felt it really was a "community" of like minded people trading in what interested them, not so much anymore. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 14:52:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A785F40441 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:52:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1304F40323 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19942 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2012 21:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.97.236.81) by p3plsmtpa01-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.86) with ESMTP; 25 Dec 2012 21:50:09 -0000 From: "Dave" To: References: <50722719.512762.1356461799756.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:46:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] subject now tracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net actually, it is just west of Fort Worth http://www.motorsportranch.com/ in a town called cresson. according to the owner, it was the first of its kind, and he was heavily discouraged by almost everyone. obviously, it was a very good idea; he has expanded tremendously and there are track clubs all over the country. itbs a nice course; I've driven it at a club event. "There is a motorsports park in Arlington Texas, but I have not been there." ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 16:47:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EDA40526 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:47:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C87140423 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id JJR26556; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:44:56 -0600 From: "Michael Marr" To: "Frank Fisher" , "Don Hiscock" , "Triumphs List" References: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101> <1356198084.57976.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1356281876.79309.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1356458781.77304.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:44:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] [Spam] Re: Earls Court demolition planned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Merry Christmas to all! From: Frank Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 12:06 PM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs List Subject: [Spam] Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned fantastic stuff just opened the Christmas presents. huge Union and st George flags. great british day. merry Christmas guys From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs List Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned So, here is what Earls Court means to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxz4aPoudv8 Mike From: Frank Fisher Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:57 AM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned add to the boat thing, that i can get sea sick on a pond and you get more idea of why they didn't come up in my dreams and how funny is it that i appreciate the Tattoo's now more than i did when i lived there. not that i didn't appreciate them back then. but maybe more now that i see so few. From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Boats were only in my dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and ultimately owned several They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two happiest days of a boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it. And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo. My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time I wrote my note. Mike From: Frank Fisher Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned never did the boat show. could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams From: Michael Marr To: Frank Fisher ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned Dolly birds? You're a child of the 60s, Frank! Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest. My dad would yell himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would beat the Devonport barracks. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fisher" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM To: "Don Hiscock" ; "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > good grief > whats the world coming to? > i used to take the train from liverpool > to london and then the tube. > there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun > weekend. > and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy > > > From: Don Hiscock > > To: Triumphs > Sent: Friday, > December 21, 2012 5:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned > > The > traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our > cars > were premiered, is planned to be torn down. A group is working to > save the > venue. > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts- > campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball > > > Don > > ** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 17:22:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61B940512 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:22:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CE34042C for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:19:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:18:02 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.164] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:18:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:18:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 59126 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 00:18:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356481082; bh=NMmMEYtf2QRQ7lT0S7+E+PDq4202SkySiG0EKat3Mhg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1CIizEf56Khw4nEAWJuQyKWOhAQfbm7N5jkHIEZA4Hk1zH40YJLAYZ1FOnKl2GW5UxxAxpFCzCuihOFCDuV6isOVl+Q613oZ1PZHl0vz4f/KONkhzNqht8zYbyst7fxVCTaeCb7TWgcEnDeVZM+qwXzWZ7mPrY1onvJZ7rj3ptM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xg25TxkRppelhoXXHS0zaUVs616aww3jmNGJpKDYpE+OzThs9jA3OjQubwZAjXXaUptNVVzazssvZCxlZ0Z7Z8Iegq6sduycnIvW3Na9fFFzYGPMF8HACnght1c0hk8BweWfvCAEhi2VBXRCxQKDY1SONH7DMJwGaMk1A2fN90o=; 5xnZfq37s9I.rutWMME11I6Z6_IQRGrz_tQxKL8AcGh_BZGtQ2SWF_pHrtTT sTQVbgdmIqsJ0f67sHS3nNcKXFrv0OgvmViQsLq.ZY6fHStdzRfyS3eH_2v7 NV_bUDAqR_VYgpMUybtomermsgFtX5Y08kV4Zy54UbWJYLmd84DTRrFzv5AG X4XLRvLoCCI4r5BDpijJPv8y01cpRFUz5vH43xylpkyiNM_C8dSt54le1vLq PBHNan8Ws.rLMHQLbY4ui6SttdanOtIV1p2JfnceUG8mfH_V1Vc7SRngHBDX YMeDd9RCONJgYSrSmKw96Hd1L.FnWvxv51YgqNXLdebDhDHLsQ7nwNVvwvmH y5DDGY9viHZZ9DwTHebifFAQHZNRLEmWiqT67cD5F3QQMFqc_P5ePFt9Pp0v xfLXA_rVbts.s8Az7M.o7aMnBIkRowJrHWsSCsRqZikQ7IqmTBqynAbZOyEW uUWDlXzvBcuwUlUP11bWU1bKt5Hf9MvG0RQmSwHmPNYU_S6g9B3BXXZJsHre xShsBhFcUZjZ8wM7BWYp8Y1WpffI- Received: from [98.184.159.169] by web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:18:02 PST SXQgd2FzIGEgcHJldHR5IHVzZWZ1bCB2ZW51ZSB3aGVuIGl0IGZpcnN0IGNhbWUgb3V0IGJ1dCBpdCBoYXMgc3RlYWRpbHkgZGV0ZXJpb3JhdGVkIHRvIHRoZSBwb2ludCB0aGF0IEkgaGFyZGx5IGV2ZXIgdXNlIGl0LsKgIFRoZWlyIGZlZXMgaGF2ZSBiZWNvbWUgb3V0cmFnZW91cy7CoCBJIHNvbGQgYSBwdXJzZSBmb3IgbXkgZGF1Z2h0ZXIgbGFzdCBtb250aC4uLi5mZWVzIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgcGF5cGFsKSB3ZXJlIG92ZXIgJDMwLgrCoApJIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBzZXJpb3VzbHkgYnVybmVkIHR3aWNlIGJ5IHQBMAEBAQE- References: <1356379435.2647.YahooMailNeo@web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:18:02 -0800 (PST) From: Chad To: Cosmo Kramer , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It was a pretty useful venue when it first came out but it has steadily deteriorated to the point that I hardly ever use it. Their fees have become outrageous. I sold a purse for my daughter last month....fees (including paypal) were over $30. I have been seriously burned twice by their buyer protection "services".....will never trust them again. I am also really annoyed by all the "tagged" ads. Honestly......$795.00 ABS hubcaps to fit a Triumph Herald???? Chad in Tulsa. ________________________________ From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Happy Holidays List! I tried getting on E-bay to sell LOTS of my spare TRIUMPH parts, but one had to also join Pay-pall (P-P). Well there was a mistake made at P-P & I tried to fix it. I was even able to 'Talk to a REAL person' to be told that the problem was resolved. Long story short, the problem was NEVER resolved & I've haven't dealt with either of them again. I'm not going to get into who gets what % on selling. money exchange, or shipping. I feel if a mistake can't be solved after talking to a person, then I really can't trust that person/system. This is why I love this list, because if you have a problem, then you can (98% of the time solve it, of course off line). I've NEVER had a problem with ALL the people on this list. In fact, it's just the opposite. I'll get the part before I have even gotten a chance to write out the cheque (I NEVER write out a cheque until I know the money is in that checking account to cover the cheque.). this may take a couple of days & that's why I may receive the item before I get a chance to send the cheque. In fact, I'll go as far as saying that I'll trust this list more than some of my 'family members'. I consider this list as a VERY Close Family. I am in the process of GREATLY down sizing my belonging & 65% of that is TRIUMPH items. so to you lookers out there, contact me off list. The rest of you all, Happy Holidays to you & your love ones (weather its a person or your TRIUMPH)! -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 25 17:38:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F24340529 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:38:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0456940435 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:37:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:35:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.195] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:35:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 00:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 44327 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 00:35:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356482144; bh=1c/UoHzGHeCka1R8Iq3pltwWmKYHr6t8NCgQzRyX7Cw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1BtlgY6by+ojBYIAqyS4zolWuAPbXeJaicnUulJSvY0Ghmig7+Vt0+oQEB8PrNa2TcjGEWLeTmJt7+4Up4RSBAQRSsX/P/qWG+lKA01iN8geQIvmLXiTHE318uDiOOY1squIO8hOjpqjL6BhIb9X+iHhxjlBKZNa86cOGCaGygg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AQ7skaCdgwMBA1GKAAvWrsqcLHpdQI1KcFwhynvoCi8pF+TI3VvToINekybkUjB+BEkLAiPIT9Lu5MFk2yFc02D9StIdBVwDDbmKU1gkf+oDvo8OuFKCMbDqRVzuQz3YQmHRzCLjaqc4VvXgtUHOcBF4+3w2Yd5QYL/UZeFkAx4=; vBJaYq80LcoIpUG5HUnFXUpBh5ymUPNCDQS8MVIUfesTrXPw7fD.H8r9oqXs .PrO_mVEIWWa4wdE1ezObLfr0uHA_c7PWaskMR54GNGPyrXVoCmgDG0xoD45 Nj1m_48nbj3uxWBFgxWvIa7qxqidlmTyZ3jujjV_bFcU8SshY_3dWnep.8t6 G.sHOkVbS6Vk5d03QhrGlS4XszK.NtOlLfCJTK9jf5gKV4Y8sBKz85U3vuNJ DlLx4bxG_lY51RSvzo9IhCnhco6MKkc0W4YwG2WbQwECOkBaGnv65iW8WQ9B yk1WlZQKF8gIlXZxuPKCZomhw1Up0uTl6cqvvGqj0zpxJ22K4x5RYliqyWuY 1zE47uhT0N3hN2PF7ziA.Gmw0NTWMe_JCRQ3p3DEGJ8s03.jkuA95qyyZUqX HdiQ_jf8_MQ5qM4q7Z2hYXwpLD6Krm5cQAUe4BqzYB_4OQw0vmdwiQBqXkEM lrt2Jf8kX37PjwdBW5ar0nFjOtu.7QgzHuS5Jak3LDqfsID_mYaNphyS1yRn m0Dfo5mpXWYOEmRBn1iFJevHlkW6xACpKb0k2QWWmoyIeuUeh2p7m0IDbpzh bAnwH9qtaHwN1lUQjr0IXwd3_H_W0yLKfQQ80oaSvT7eVEKmB.nRS3BGxSFV PuRk5JkJSEl.7EkbowdYzhr73M0jknpN4xd0- Received: from [98.184.159.169] by web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:35:44 PST SSB3b3VsZCByZWFsbHkgbGlrZSB0byBmaW5kIGEgdmVudWUgdGhhdCB3YXMgbGlrZSB0aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgZWJheS7CoCBLZWVwIGluIG1pbmQgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIG9uIHRoZXJlIHNpbmNlIDk3IG9yIDk4IHNvIEkndmUgd2F0Y2hlZCBpdCBkZWNheSBmb3IgcXVpdGUgYSB3aGlsZS4KwqAKQ2hhZCBpbiBUdWxzYQogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogSm9keSBLZXJyIDxqb2R5ZmtlcnJAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogV2JlZWNoIDx3YmVlY2hAZmxhc2gubmV0PiAKQ2M6IHQBMAEBAQE- References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop> <43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:35:44 -0800 (PST) From: Chad To: Jody Kerr , Wbeech Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would really like to find a venue that was like the original ebay. Keep in mind I've been on there since 97 or 98 so I've watched it decay for quite a while. Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: Jody Kerr To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices To a certain extent Ebay has caused it's own mess. I believe the final straw was when Ebay started charging the seller based on on the price of the product AND shipping. Taking 9% of the selling cost is one thing, but taking 9% of the shipping as well means that many folks just lost money trying to sell there. But that's what happens when there's no competition in the marketplace. Jody On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Wbeech wrote: > Dave, > Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores or > individuals. Last great deal I got was a Tropical Fan for $25 about a two > years ago, before that I found a period-correct generator for $0.99 + > $20S&H. > > BUT, we keep looking, as at any 2nd-hand store, in hopes of finding that odd > treasure that has somehow been overlooked by others. One of my eBay tricks > is to mis-spell what I am looking for, you never know. > > Merry Christmas to all and a very Triumph-ant New Year. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices > > First of all, Merry Christmas everyone! > I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after > looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!! > It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay and was > really suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could > get some really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the > advantage of buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable > parts stripped from cars but not anything that I could buy from Moss or > TRF. Kind of dissapointing.. > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jodyfkerr@gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 07:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB6E4053B for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:34:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F48540405 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=giof-Ekxm3cA:10 a=qemMjloZys9iRB1H5HkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=zmEruHCOhaPg2FJfhi0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=mttpBXKAsmdTmaHj:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50881] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id C8/69-32674-75A0BD05; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:31:51 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:32:41 -0500 Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, it looks like Ebay is not going to be the first choice for selling or trading Triumph parts like it used to be. We still have the VTR classifieds though and I have had pretty good luck using it. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 09:22:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF4D40532 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A663400A5 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gER41k0090lTkoCA1GKq0X; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:19:50 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gGKp1k00Q2yr1eL8QGKpJP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:19:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1356538790; bh=bI+dPtQmjpaRHOYPWgmJ/Kgm3WpBGpbtcNDhuzoT64Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZtJ6624HkGkFBCuA7RKeVtwxgNY54VrbxryZq2OGi5//ekG1dklaXHaU8BYJex1Eg w+FBaTVEOWT2qOH3gvN/BN5Vwl5TIYWdY284JnNtCQdr8Oh6/rhHDvwQ+GAzdwb36Q dJg0U7RrJte3HwZCL3xb8xY3Pp3YIKbiJBVISBAbQxk5J1kYBevgmXEedDDXq2E7Le pGxUkbz/3P03cKaeBlnnnBPsbMLnbx00hDfM0+lQSNi4r7RjxiodZyrdfEG5ranrnq 7zngudrg151wtnqzAbeqkIKqkPihZr9UUA2WdCn2zZ+jUnkk+SbHUfutzg4OXl/nKK wyGIoPZO11kgw== Subject: [TR] TR3's at London Airport Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TR3's at London Airport http://www.flickr.com/photos/austin7nut/8311219968/in/photostream/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 13:19:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CFD4053C for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:19:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924F5403F3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gFas1k0051afHeLA1LGBKu; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:16:11 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gLGA1k00q2xZMJ48dLGAGg; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:16:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:16:10 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1356552971; bh=34r4fcYLTn0Eqsm4j7ojhziF963REkuhyUiMV86+1hs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=LutXUK2nMS5DGnONzkj3xvlSfu7EIN2fZ0NIgA27keOqWFYgjiUmcqffmdiP3F2UX diVVB84HQihwOLM/GbrGxzgqZPwiX1RkwCYYpf5rRCIOqsRoa/wpGcFYDRXFbEBN6R iCVdg2PNaccbZl/MjwrV+KZyqVJqrC4drZSt/l6rJ5mej7xIMXcdhTdam1vwNQecXq zHSqoEBCgzKhZuOvQJJPzXwKnOmJgc+ETtNSmI+r60PYTIAVb3y62/wpjGmXpOp4Ya xAP5EcGHCocGcWR1aSCvwQP/S5KatsG60mQSlZo0i3eaxd8XeUaRhwLGD9DbaaxjGT jrADY4R4hZuSQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am told by someone who did not post to the list that: =========== The photo is taken from the October 1957 Road and Track coverage of the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same photo smaller appears in the SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957 also with extensive coverage on the event. =========== Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 13:52:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0904A4054B for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:52:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5E2403F3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:50:39 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=jerryvv@roadrunner.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=pHk-f78ClvcA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=aXJWiL_GdnGWm_2uN-gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XNmK4lOH6gVQ8qktyMZb/Q==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.170] ([10.128.132.170:48108] helo=hrndva-web19-z02) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 89/F0-26019-8A26BD05; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:48:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:48:40 -0500 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, pethier@comcast.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, R&T is good but could they really project 10 years ahead that all of those TR3's would run the 1967 Rally? ---- pethier@comcast.net wrote: > I am told by someone who did not post to the list that: > =========== > The photo is taken from the October 1957 Road and Track coverage of > the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same photo smaller appears in the > SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957 also with extensive > coverage on the event. > =========== ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 14:45:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB8140537 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429C240441 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 21:42:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 21:42:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 21:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 97646 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 21:42:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356558150; bh=lhCad7HtnbBotVMcIx2xPQrHaq+5m45oOyXFXqUbyAQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vbTUIXo3snl8+NhaTsGvbPIUII00aQdh900X/lfhv0y2fY9HNd4rEISTD/5PnCZ8xvUGOyeF6HwN8n9FFy1mu2GgHMCpw/xmVkqjJdWDgCU8ujmg9iccn6Hkcxi4uj9RHy+TN+qKlV3nQwLFqXpAk6gooE+eR2Ps0zCmG28jfmc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AwB5jsA6zqHSxh89Cn90UMn1eTzijXR6xpI9EYRSwGZ8wlrkDvZ6gn25rYkPlAJ6jiiVRdbA7JfSHjNDOvEz14o9v8u9JtG3oSjpNwBHBcfr4+rVNbZjIDI2EKQiDqcSbdylYDWZXVnS0DomrvfSIOoIq3daDV0t6Q+C0s03koI=; pSY2gocUVwwMhpEginqgmF265n4XRTFLlnKPQiOm7I48qfZ2KLPcD8t3Xme8 yUAeNpSUJEr_vFa2FcZYPQUKoi_nnuoe1B4SMd6P4H1amNa_TiAGFDoeoCBQ aRq6ANMOiuPFN_CxLQ7nGLKy5Mr4ii5H7H0_pieSo6N_RZiqklpU7FIOdfLD bhSeztawL7WVbBAq1_h4ZNSKonJt0oJP3WqZD9o0inQU9UfyhoBn4steMZqa 4WKrH.d.4IK43QQ5eWklMohstZUbAU.1i0TnriXS_5SJbUrj3WXFZxpEQE_N OdqcDFA_BGWswVjq.3hFXDleLxzTokFBrq349E_ubH5KoKI2dR3TkbdhN_Na Y_5KsOVQiww6FYekNDaWNF0rlYyA6tT48qw.T8jORrW94f3_y3pdINWgbzxr GgmJnTalu96ar4uPzREKrZM0VDd5ZRIUDrgGLmYki0HTIE6LViOwELIUk91y nORg4GmaQrvE1hymnFGAwnBi2p3M1 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:42:30 PST aSBoYXZlwqBhIMKgRFZEIGVudGl0bGVkICJUcml1bXBocyBhY3Jvc3MgQW1lcmljYSIuCmZvb3RhZ2UgwqBzaG93cyB2aWRlbyBvZiBhIGdyb3VwIG9mIEFtZXJpY2FucyB3aG8gcHVyY2hhc2VkIHRoZWlyIGNhcnMgYW5kIHRoZW4gZmxldyB0byB0aGUgVUsgdG8gdGFrZSBzb21lIHBvc3Nlc3Npb24uIHBvc3Nlc3Npb24gd2FzIHRha2VuIGF0IHRoZSBhaXJwb3J0LgphZnRlcsKgY29sbGVjdGluZyB0aGVpciBjYXJzIHRoZXkgd2hlcmUgdHJlYXRlZCB0byBhIGx1bmNoIGF0IFNpciBKb2hucyBlc3RhdGUgYW4BMAEBAQE- References: <221491402.519620.1356552970868.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121226204840.BFA0B.29821.root@hrndva-web19-z02> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "jerryvv@roadrunner.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "pethier@comcast.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i have a DVD entitled "Triumphs across America". footage shows video of a group of Americans who purchased their cars and then flew to the UK to take some possession. possession was taken at the airport. after collecting their cars they where treated to a lunch at Sir Johns estate and then on to other festivities and tours. when the tours where over the factory shipped their cars to the US for final possession. the photo shown looks very much like the footage i see in the video. i cant zoom and tell but if anyone can see if they are left hand driver, then it would probably be the same event. if its important to any one ill watch the video again soon and get the exact date. Frank From: "jerryvv@roadrunner.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net; pethier@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport Wow, R&T is good but could they really project 10 years ahead that all of those TR3's would run the 1967 Rally? ---- pethier@comcast.net wrote: > I am told by someone who did not post to the list that: > =========== > The photo is taken from the October 1957 Road and Track coverage of > the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same photo smaller appears in the > SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957 also with extensive > coverage on the event. > =========== ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 15:01:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D23940544 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:01:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F105740441 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:01:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 21:59:13 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.114] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 21:59:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 21:59:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 57052 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 21:59:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356559148; bh=Ih5sBMkKJB1d7JOCf0tllkvjjyWwNSku6Bcv3mxo+Iw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=45LIdw8lJBCg3vB+2Av0dUtkfbj6sZ7GkX8H4u6Zwz9/4iWrbHgQjAuOKQwW5xfRS5eWVOz1eiPvw7yvhFuRxRvzJEWCzjCUSP+L/U9/OmTKmR21b6ULqF7ckUd3VA6HjNL2TGQOJL5ywtJklp2mZRh72TdzocyIrlAkunaiynE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0awPFIlHm/BTK3+ksHzmcboY0IlHuuFO3LmpzLkZEnnwb67QiIr4EPsOXtDNyUu+fO4gb5d73jChi5vWBmw5gdHB8YEOtdPb2YbtB/S3+0lTkxnzTpPlFEIXt/u1IPPi+eXT3HcUIsWI+EOPyqFnqWE8u6FzwBhXnbl5Dq6B/to=; 8A2TZEC7WWovEf181nXZMecqBwTYU2s8BLAAxISqc_rtxFiIRN1y9wmjvT4h uT_RH6Qkui0DNSdDTM4I26YNMQepxG8UmpLqHL8V2tXO2On2u874oA38Pzy1 K6XPLd9v96eO1NuQjGon95.jXXQnvYNEWR2XGBkRF.W0Oy.ED4TUA4T4uHHv fDLyq7sxjmozAcfFrmJoqWUjT90K8hzsob0gWeZJbDbsyjgZdmtA2QfnhAid a6_hjoqqRmnj.j1FkdoqkBKABREay8N9L2XY3do3nWp4fzNBs6r3pl1SWwq1 rCuS.jEOIvsnSlxNVm6k_RbN3T1jv.E15VkLGwjmFeRdS2QFQ6xgZCui7lvt u5wf5cJqrcuZeI1OIaGZAGg.YtnKS6_ae4R3.UpT3ZYaQLWr5NzP.F7dLROw Yv_HPQdvl_twvSd9TUQSeb3ajOXJ.kN5_jH.sOdD2fXM2J2MoOy9cDI0qMsm kk.bbxxFRps.i Received: from [90.199.100.231] by web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:59:08 GMT VGhlIGNhcnMgcGhvdG9ncmFwaGVkIGF0IEhlYXRocm93IGFyZSBhbGwgcGFydCBvZiB0aGUgY29uc2lnbm1lbnQgZm9yIHRoZSAxOTU3IGV2ZW50IGFuZCBpZGVudGlmaWVkIGFzIHN1Y2ggYnkgdGhlaXIgc3BlY2lhbCB0YXgtZnJlZSBsaWNlbmNlIHBsYXRlcy4KVGhlcmUgd2VyZSBhIG51bWJlciBvZiB0b3VycyBvZiB0aGlzIHR5cGUgdW5kZXJ0YWtlbiBieSB2aXNpdGluZyBVUyBjaXRpemVucyAoIGEgdG90YWwgb2YgZm91ciwgSSB0aGluaykgYnV0IHRoZXkgd2VyZSBhYmFuZG9uZWQgaW4gdGhlIGxhdGUBMAEBAQE- References: <221491402.519620.1356552970868.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121226204840.BFA0B.29821.root@hrndva-web19-z02> <1356558150.95271.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:59:08 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Frank Fisher , "jerryvv@roadrunner.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "pethier@comcast.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The cars photographed at Heathrow are all part of the consignment for the 1957 event and identified as such by their special tax-free licence plates. There were a number of tours of this type undertaken by visiting US citizens ( a total of four, I think) but they were abandoned in the late 1950's. Mainly, this was because they required a phenomenal amount of organisation and although the car users met many of the costs themselves, there were many additional costs met by the company. These events were sponsored by and run by the company, so it wasn't just a question of handing over the cars and sending their owners off into the wide blue yonder. These events were essentially PR exercises (Jaguar, Sunbeam, MG and AH did them too) and at the end of it all, the manufacturers all agreed they could no longer afford to justify running them. As far as this related to Standard-Triumph, the two following years ('58 and '59) were financial disasters so these trips were abandoned purely on cost grounds. Two years later, with Leyland Motors running the show and imposing many draconian (but necessary) cost controls, the idea died for ever. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: "jerryvv@roadrunner.com" ; "triumphs@autox.team.net" ; "pethier@comcast.net" Sent: Wednesday, 26 December 2012, 21:42 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport >i have a DVD entitled "Triumphs across America". >footage shows video of a >group of Americans who purchased their cars and then flew to the UK to take >some possession. possession was taken at the airport. >after collecting their >cars they where treated to a lunch at Sir Johns estate and then on to other >festivities and tours. when the tours where over the factory shipped their >cars to the US for final possession. >the photo shown looks very much like the >footage i see in the video. >i cant zoom and tell but if anyone can see if they >are left hand driver, then it would probably be the same event. >if its >important to any one ill watch the video again soon and get the exact date. >Frank > >From: "jerryvv@roadrunner.com" >To: >triumphs@autox.team.net; pethier@comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, >2012 12:48 PM >Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport > >Wow, R&T is good but >could they really project 10 years ahead that all of those TR3's would run the >1967 Rally? >---- pethier@comcast.net wrote: >> I am told by someone who did >not post to the list that: >> =========== >> The photo is taken from the October >1957 Road and Track coverage of >> the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same >photo smaller appears in the >> SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957 >also with extensive >> coverage on the event. >> =========== > >** >triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 15:19:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA5E40544 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:19:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C4F40441 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from vms170029pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MFN00JTDSKJUKW2@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:17:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from 71.101.255.94 ([71.101.255.94]) by vms170029 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:17:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:17:07 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: dconnitt@fuse.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net there is also an 'autojumble' list maintained by MJB. Or at least there used to be. Carl On 12/26/12, Dave Connitt wrote: Well, it looks like Ebay is not going to be the first choice for selling or trading Triumph parts like it used to be. We still have the VTR classifieds though and I have had pretty good luck using it. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 17:13:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EBC40554 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:13:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAC140445 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MFN00HU9XRH9NE0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:09:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from 71.101.255.94 ([71.101.255.94]) by vznit170158 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:09:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:09:17 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: l1j1s@aol.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is not a website but a list similar to this one. click on the linkc at the bottom of this page > Unsubscribe/Manage: xxxx and it will take you to the manage page. At the bottom of that page (you don't need to log in) there is a link to view a list of all lists. Unfortunately the autojumble list is relatively dormant - but maybe this thread will give it a "quick kick" It also reminds me that I have a bunch of excess parts from my project sitting in boxes.. C On 12/26/12, Lawrence Schwartz wrote: Do you remember the website? Larry Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Carl TR wrote: > there is also an 'autojumble' list maintained by MJB. Or at least there used to be. > Carl > > > > On 12/26/12, Dave Connitt wrote: > > Well, it looks like Ebay is not going to be the first choice for selling or > trading Triumph parts like it used to be. We still have the VTR classifieds > though and I have had pretty good luck using it. > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/l1j1s@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 22:36:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFE140E31 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:36:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C83340532 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121227013902774.UVWQ23036@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:39:02 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=OxlmJ2JG6SQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=su9Ag3Gif2wA:10 a=JvEhr9uv1c1lki7vHmgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D8/C5-29976-876ABD05; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:38:01 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:38:06 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3jttFhqIOxQMDwT/ya+CRG5TB7jQAG7ZjA Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > there is also an 'autojumble' list maintained by MJB. Or at > least there used to be. Evidence would seem to indicate that it doesn't work, at least at the moment. However I'm certain MJB would resuscitate it, if someone were to try using it. I think I've only seen one posting in the past 3 or 4 years, which hardly makes it worth keeping on life support. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 09:47:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BE44226D for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:47:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9272540560 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:45:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail160-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.247) by TX2EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.9.40.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:45 +0000 Received: from mail160-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail160-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6088C1C029F for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:44 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:imx1.tcd.ie; RD:imx1.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail160-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail160-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1356626621789118_14934; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.244]) by mail160-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40CD3E004C for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx1.tcd.ie (134.226.17.160) by TX2EHSMHS017.bigfish.com (10.9.99.117) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:39 +0000 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub1.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.14]) by imx1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D3348E3 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub1.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.14]) with mapi; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:43:26 +0000 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:39:09 +0000 Thread-Topic: Flat spots? Thread-Index: AQHN5FFK1aCPES1BA0aiEEZHJCMZiw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-IE acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Flat spots? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting flat spots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel slowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very annoying symptom? Happy holidays to all John 1954 TR2 John Gillis Senior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 09:56:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECCE42271 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:56:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28525403F0 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:56:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-70-220.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.70.220]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MFP00MTH8A8NY00@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:54:17 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-12-27_06:2012-12-27,2012-12-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1212270147 From: Darrell Walker Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:54:08 -0800 References: To: John Gillis Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Flat spots? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John, Could be a lack of flow in the fuel system (clogged filter, failing pump, etc). Check the fluif in your carb dashpots, too. Another possibility is the timing is too retarded. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 09:59:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD0742278 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:59:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F24403F3 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:59:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 16:57:25 -0000 Received: from [98.136.87.49] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 16:57:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp122-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 16:57:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356627445; bh=0v9vkmL76/smmZnznCPfLyLXGc5azbwUsCKE1a0H6hs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=qmJ0J0PIIMCv0/s1WPZaq7BDszc+FdL7tvfs25rewq+H2BfoXIP4WaIzUPbqvitO8VxHl58iJ6c5KNmPtUvEsyErbttL/nfm0JMLUaWNqgdF3usN0IEG2ZfkINt6/jqMZ3vbgKJQHma7uDpjNnZkTq4do9sG5hLzylSfdpgNhCw= SWMWjw_ba_khxVc3pU7df6LEJr07gky3Vjouv_TWU0QMamyNOZZxlk4xrRUv iUtDrATadlTZBcbOnmxU3MZjVq5en8Jc6N.BgT4oM0bqeiG8X8U2XxhVfo2S 2Sm58bhZWpB.K8tw5IQwdW1NxJKWPYr2BiLTDKDuzt1y7FwafnBLdH0fq2cx o8.DwdLkf3jjUs2_NN_FJVx7XVSza6QCeRRmk1f_G4IJd.q5hJ_9BeIXNC8c KYO6zw6MPs9_IYaS4S523jEd9fMF_w31.nqtveIBpBsIMNADYLJjOJch8aln QitnUDDNdOp9eEHoIzp_mK5IybGSllSriYGDEXdRzDHLK_OrposZiZnSfC.h 65FUEGELl4uRp93146lsugyLiQCDnceDKneSYRhrtd45P4x0ceSn9AZRUo6o PcwJXn5jCRle48pM1ydu7HEn5aNmCqAW751fIlmcm77cU4p0Q Received: from [192.168.1.26] (rgt2@63.192.100.255 with xymcookie) by smtp122-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2012 08:57:25 -0800 PST References: From: rod Trunnell Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:57:26 -0800 To: John Gillis Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Flat spots? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have experienced the same thing with water contaminated fuel. Rod On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:39 AM, John Gillis wrote: > Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting flat > spots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel > slowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very > annoying symptom? > Happy holidays to all > John > 1954 TR2 > > > John Gillis > Senior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 10:00:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4105B4227F for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF86440EBE for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:59:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 16:57:54 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 16:57:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 16:57:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356627474; bh=CERskF2FGPO/T46DEAqCUwVu3tu8HrBSonWuMogHzFI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=GFhyb2oHe5ezj2A2teX046wTghXxjIL4Cpwppi4NwjVOxMhu3Uf2sCZTu+Y74CBAe0MHcXm+E+qynK7UlYWuQBaC90GAsPikKeV49kacpHMKxwafl6BenpC7vuIySQIWiLS2JnpSDLgxr69AfkYA4PRI7l8H6rrxHP5sg+PO87Y= nyQ9tRItO.7WhFc0kQ8dRqPGYlqo2aqQHRUpxrPAm2K_PJdVIdyavHYYpSTZ d_ZN5kTamrGI4gxR0e6eklL_G0Fw88C5bP4yTC4OeiWTHDKZXxotZDZGrwsA rP_OrLktmlIrhpsGyE4zMl2sqARKu6s94QjSY1Ps_NHJljkoCSm9fQ7Aby1_ z9QpH7QtpRgj93xvr31Qz9VsTAppqLYDPvdh3OZX4lJjnuEEYvaOJ3rfNyHY 4VLl2zlfdnKUscf23wKyBoLOgHf762HJuOFLsqdV057s6li3.JL9I9ZH8RBT q2dqOu7Ph_iKqkJbvSAWYqSAvjnZRFk7sfEa_GzIUJIJntfzG2t.j.197d_K q.zVR9n8AIB0bxPJotQdZqMRaD1w4nR1I8iosqohomymQVHNsU3L49wiiA2I xF5WoK7j3E2hhGvaY9XcFASP6hLV_WR1_D66nDCKMAyDeKgBcjJ1oE865GRD TSgTglMcQ07yiunmtKw_.dBONdJLXRYVcjNNVfoSfT66t1XwC02jQzLzzrju bi77aEAz1c2jf6vNC3MlrAodgD_SmpONnZIKaJheuDyxx Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2012 08:57:54 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'John Gillis'" , References: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:57:46 -0600 Thread-Index: AQHN5FFK1aCPES1BA0aiEEZHJCMZi5gs2+oA Subject: Re: [TR] Flat spots? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First thing I would look at would be the oil in the carb dashpots. If there is none, it will allow the needle to lift too rapidly and cause an unnecessarily rich mixture, and your described 'flat spots'. Second, with a timing light, be sure the advance it advancing and retracting the spark timing. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Gillis Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:39 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Flat spots? Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting flat spots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel slowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very annoying symptom? Happy holidays to all John 1954 TR2 John Gillis Senior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 14:03:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C25B42276 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:03:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96914055C for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:02:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA6AB1C0000BA; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mae001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mae001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.28.129]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 95C1DE000087; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:00:38 -0500 (EST) References: To: JGILLIS@tcd.ie, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Darrell Floyd Received: from 12.228.241.194 by Webmail-d114.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:00:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:00:38 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356642038; bh=NVPE3XoBMdXzhZJdAxJR1+tiOrJpVk76On/TCIQ9QX0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Yb8Ak1UptXwMEDu2F9CsUaAb4ZCMvxvjPmrhULfosIjbtKbtUN0tEmyCnmEMQvPe7 sNHNLIJs+BfPPpKFQQ8iI9MYp8u7D1G8HhoJW+xB7aDINRLDN6/RhBSnJN5HzmsgvV 9dAZy9cPK1YBXb6okAj8IUzqS5g+AFElw7wmW4/I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c850dcb6f622da Subject: Re: [TR] Flat spots? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, How fresh is the fuel? I took my TR8 out of storage a few months ago and it would only do 40 MPH up a slight grade on the way to the gas station. Once I was able to top off the tank with 6 gals of fresh fuel it ran normally. They tell me all the fuel now days is crap and only lasts a few months. Darrell -----Original Message----- From: John Gillis To: triumphs Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 11:45 am Subject: [TR] Flat spots? Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting flat pots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel lowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very nnoying symptom? appy holidays to all ohn 954 TR2 ohn Gillis enior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 14:18:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A6440538 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932F40450 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121227174315209.EKDO23036@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:43:15 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Sl8Bsam7cUUA:10 a=GCkeFqDhQ-iO3SqYl14A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J7Z0H2Qyeai78axY:21 a=Bb49wYi27mw5Dt0c:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FD/02-04255-5788CD05; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:42:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Gillis'" , Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:42:20 -0800 Thread-Index: AQHN5FFK1aCPES1BA0aiEEZHJCMZi5gs6DXQ Subject: Re: [TR] Flat spots? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but > I am getting flat spots in all gears when I push the go > pedal, if I back off and feed fuel slowly it picks up and > drives fine. If you hold it down, does it eventually pick up and run? If so, I would first look at dashpots. If they are full, consider using something thicker for damping oil. Eg, if you have been using ATF, switch to 30 weight motor oil. A turkey baster with a length of hose slipped on the end will do for sucking out the old oil without removing the dome. If it won't pick up and run with constant throttle, then most likely it is fuel delivery being restricted somehow. If you have added a paper element fuel filter, change (or remove) it. Check the screen above the sediment bowl. To check the fuel pump and lines, pull a wire off the coil, disconnect the feed line from the front carb and direct it into a container (a quart canning jar works well). Crank the engine with the solenoid button and watch the fuel delivery. You should see a strong spurt every other revolution; if it just kind of dribbles out then there is a restriction somewhere. Could be weak ignition (acceleration requires more spark voltage to fire the plugs), but I'd look at fuel first. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 14:19:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645AD4246D for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:19:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF1240450 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:18:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20121227055703667.YSMV27959@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:57:03 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=OxlmJ2JG6SQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=su9Ag3Gif2wA:10 a=Bha5rrDEhxBAfem0REAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6B/95-29976-7E2EBD05; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:55:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:55:57 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3jttFhqIOxQMDwT/ya+CRG5TB7jQAG7ZjAAAkGS/A= Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Evidence would seem to indicate that it doesn't work, at > least at the moment. Never mind, my mistake. It did show up, eventually. Mark, my thanks again for all the work you do (and have done all these years). Guess it's time for another donation! -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 15:44:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CED42285 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:44:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD234056E for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:44:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gbvo1k0031YDfWL55miLgJ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:42:20 +0000 Received: from [10.235.93.215] ([174.228.2.195]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gmi61k0024CSyYE3gmi8aY; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:42:18 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?RGFycmVsbCBGbG95ZA==?=" ,JGILLIS@tcd.ie,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:42:18 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1356648140; bh=XFNomdjIwJAiXQHDJpjCRyCSpYpvUheIWmPdKIEUASU=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ifYundaZCOFQBt58Ppe7cQCaWzOCHBRpICEjk8MYfm/LvdCkZtSvGiQC557+zrX9m QVpEn45Yk/bSgBuRkAbjjf+p5VwQQab/DlQZbOAk2AT3YSvNt5fe6NG97TTGo7Qx0j LgPz6eJaRg+xVH3rkwJ5HF6J1mK/xXO+RxDQYP7PGzM8ZOZ4dLYoFQoGZDwgV2t/nu ibrQOxdpIa6NIoyVf5KyJBS1Y2x1wTDuYcjGHv/zxQSmYpp6sHgjHDeBYqnAg/6ede YYeBvyIVeuttL97sxGBYGn96CiqbZFKMmbckeKVYieDLDU0188yrKdBCAfJUAuFY4C 1Mq5fg+71htDQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Flat_spots=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ethanol. Food doesn't burn as well as gasoline. But its a great sop for vote buying! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Darrell Floyd" To: , Subject: [TR] Flat spots? Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 15:00 John, How fresh is the fuel? I took my TR8 out of storage a few months ago and it would only do 40 MPH up a slight grade on the way to the gas station. Once I was able to top off the tank with 6 gals of fresh fuel it ran normally. They tell me all the fuel now days is crap and only lasts a few months. Darrell -----Original Message----- From: John Gillis To: triumphs Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 11:45 am Subject: [TR] Flat spots? Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting flat pots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel lowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very nnoying symptom? appy holidays to all ohn 954 TR2 ohn Gillis enior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 15:02:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB95427C0 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:02:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1844041A for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121229215949.SXOP18834.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:59:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id hZzo1k00P4KlQ4L01ZzpoR; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:59:49 -0500 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=V25RxQ8Due9jN_ssbhEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: Ronnie Babbitt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:59:47 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with a bad mis. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 15:09:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88B5427BD for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:09:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186CD403F7 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id fl11so11888773vcb.15 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:07:06 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3hRaYoj86A2udJjNFS6UjKYREX1TJVBSdfSDWRie3Jk=; b=zpJI8tU+uofWnjaJaYBXS/ACdoppCxZamPWFU8t/9tfG0MonUFdbbdFvhPksuxhhOt 4GbgZLy45J01zHKjw03l5azxXsiA9s4rJXdOI5sRaJS5SjuuMC2IOxwvQ+CEYh1nfWH1 WbOA2SwMKUOt4T32UxVq3TalzT7XfQrEU1SLUtiHLpaqjKM1ETnlLfa8Lq0y8ylk6Dqw gogPvc5e4N1RJ2qD83qnAf3JDVA/vY6XYPWMmWmf7mYIpVj2i8/5aRZA/diffnRkjLLj l3hic7uYaASVivSosbSBbqx6nxRXXOoZtuNtrI6SoB1DnRo8lUvpxHxpp2zGB+4NVZS2 QjAA== Received: by 10.52.66.18 with SMTP id b18mr49143506vdt.43.1356818826638; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:07:06 -0800 (PST) References: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:07:06 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: Ronnie Babbitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Three most common sources I've seen for this: 1) fuel filter 2) timing 3) clogged fuel bowl. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Ronnie Babbitt wrote: > Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with a > bad mis. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jodyfkerr@gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 15:18:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F44E427C6 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:18:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4214140406 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 22:15:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.1] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 22:15:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 22:15:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356819344; bh=KXJzRWdx9Wdt6xymNmqb9ErrzKJ9ytWvJqV0JbkFTqQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=oi5OCSZGGc9ZqmOvb9SIB/99nNdLyq/cnwJsO0R2yslnKLXlJN2xp5gFzN8vKDM+GMrtwDexK6v3r8vf0wBCHR4rwlJOkkPegtPil8/gOqR7X7NxaALOTqssHkna2NOI1erVw1FRqDB5r4ZibYlrpUvjms7ZHKLrAF8gkGX9z8Y= DtguqUct37oXqjhQz6IBVnHKrLU63QfYrftq1cPPlpJZPbN66yMGTh9qCwwF O6ZA8hZ1mEmoLv_fjt7PLz1lxDQYVkQOUBvXvv8B3gqt8Ipn_hxbwjXT7TPe HiAaymT4B6SUVbsdd7Lm6uf6uvpZJ7IGRrXYmfOudsT25R.s1BLXV0L7o8a2 u1oLnoKp7Q2l5_uPY0aEmMrbNkamqvv6ZgEez.CFx3r.xg33klIHBRTOe4iH Ow3ew_VesuixP9BKeCbJzdj4_SMSbgfmWhLuYYSfYs6ai_rE.w0M28y0vulC im6JltLvdkzvItn15bsw8HV5aOTkmYn3UcgbrdawSHvOcpXA7KicCrVgmC9b KCeo.ajHGuq4gac1yC5MAkbwOdSIFp09eDaP4khINHDPfvfanw_UUqldUFJX Zyw1I2_Mkf59qY1p.p4cfiM5N0rkufyPp0x.iPQBzBwROfJdcgqq.eUuDtxN V8gjtVPCeng8H2VDa Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2012 22:15:44 +0000 UTC From: "Wbeech" To: "'Ronnie Babbitt'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:15:43 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3mD/adwEBLJ7EtSiyAoL+lCQV/YAAAONxA Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can you run on up past 3k smoothly to red line? Or, is 3k the top RPM? IF the former, I would look first at the points and timing to be sure they are clean and spot on. Then on to the condenser, plug wires and coil. IF the later, probably not if you went 150mi, I would look first at fuel flow, weak pump, clogged filter, float bowl valves are good places to start. Enjoy your weekend, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with a bad mis. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 17:38:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A296427B3 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA3D425A5 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so10753790oag.41 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:36:15 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=CXamyEPvegLofpkQibqMmCmrrkbId0qgSpVgeQebtcc=; b=RCVstAoPVrnKjGl7YivhpqngpaHKt7GXwE3PDfO9wsQChFWCZgn9vici1o4g7Lk/B3 rQVbM0rOL36SsKtscbI0rl7DAZgab6dsjST+xvBd3z2LPGqsXP1G02HHiRIA+qN4CKKr wqi1IUpRWUjJSRGIsFPUzl5WjmbP3dkaKEAFB56wSW2UyRr8e/ibRcB2Na7CmM6Gc3ug 5WemLpaNwYHzNi+PiAxGobR/qIug3aH4I5msiqN4WQkcV1mKyD2tDgZJcVKGU3VAwk75 UXsL8lBhQdM2pGwYbsmS6J6w5lCQdmfh+WQFEHQHr1lG4v4q7tJFviSVs/zz6/YbZ1cF nXrw== n10mr31088757oba.19.1356827775023; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-65-66.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.65.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u4sm26830033oeh.6.2012.12.29.16.36.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Ronnie Babbitt'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:36:28 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKgjlNOQUPgXSau6Z8Xfjf+LM5zdwIL4RodlnrPiEA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the carb diaphragms. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:16 PM To: 'Ronnie Babbitt'; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Can you run on up past 3k smoothly to red line? Or, is 3k the top RPM? IF the former, I would look first at the points and timing to be sure they are clean and spot on. Then on to the condenser, plug wires and coil. IF the later, probably not if you went 150mi, I would look first at fuel flow, weak pump, clogged filter, float bowl valves are good places to start. Enjoy your weekend, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with a bad mis. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 17:44:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A62427CA for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:44:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE1340E96 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:44:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20121230004201.OHHS29905.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:42:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id hchz1k00N4KlQ4L01ci0Go; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:42:01 -0500 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=oZORC6CWGd0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=9VM5TgsWQ9B0u44JYDMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=n25-g7nAvj-QZVui:21 a=5YV6unvQMvHjfXpE:21 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net References: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net> <000801cde625$b5d0c970$21725c50$@gmail.com> From: Ronnie Babbitt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:41:58 -0500 To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim it's an SU carb Ronnie On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:36 PM, "James Henningsen" wrote: > I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the carb diaphragms. > Jim Henningsen > 62 TR4 > 75 TR6 > Ocala, FL > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:16 PM > To: 'Ronnie Babbitt'; 'Triumphs' > Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k > > Can you run on up past 3k smoothly to red line? Or, is 3k the top RPM? > > IF the former, I would look first at the points and timing to be sure they > are clean and spot on. Then on to the condenser, plug wires and coil. IF > the later, probably not if you went 150mi, I would look first at fuel flow, > weak pump, clogged filter, float bowl valves are good places to start. > > Enjoy your weekend, > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k > > Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with > a bad mis. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 29 18:24:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A215425BB for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:24:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778274054E for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fn20so2489283lab.26 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:22:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yOy848LEUfCoUrfZSoidHAjvW2Ff0iKd8TOalwo6zRc=; b=imYhkxjSeUpBr8jmdBK7soPc3X6hReew51Ar6PgH3ZHEYPOtD/8wm+86EgOysUlot4 LKLfvYBzUhFife8e911VmCsr69iDiQsypXUVMGHqjal7LD9Dir3GY1R2PlZcmmtFCOO+ giUbhJnKD3fu9SZI7qfHZfTCzo3q8rRpfX79AEhqE0ssf8dsERF5xH3YnnDhGw0++ip2 BsJUGFFZ6h/mIgzFfRkH+CuKv/p9nbAUeDCzHtD9/fbOKPquOnhnj0B0oqYiD19Wd7gV oQXfDXNJeOcHxrghOpfPJ9ivZW98Z37eAFMWlVulV2OOuu9LnzcVQ6QkyrJglwLfVGRF 5FsA== Received: by 10.152.111.41 with SMTP id if9mr34871076lab.23.1356830542145; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:22:22 -0800 (PST) References: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net> <000801cde625$b5d0c970$21725c50$@gmail.com> <8C32729D-4D48-41C5-962C-2DC232D9ABF9@cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:22:22 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Ronnie Babbitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience a high speed miss tends to be plugs or high tension wires. Points issues tend to show up as lower speed miss. Though "breaking up with a bad miss' sound more like a personal problem. Geo > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k > > Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with > a bad mis. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 30 09:26:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D8C424E1 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:26:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C174041A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x4so10928854obh.38 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:24:25 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=L9N3fe2PF3uzkL8WGKmwhrHM68XcuZ2PGXsZ7reqN/Y=; b=VJg3A8C2IRag4z8yg5hTkKsZvIUl/Trg74RL6Kme8+NZ4tiQCRgZQb4Y0PmUx2t4qH 8YFxHlYQb6YiMoSD5bQaH2kZTpGES6lJtQyGFh8vZRsxQLwVJxFr9Q00Bomo84htDFSu CB2DI8YpiTD0gHwap2Ik/mVTMUXO8pJUUfdAwt0YxAebpHH2U0PIhF4OHQKGsixJ7dUp rzKeO9yfCicpO88MqXRMFUE+BZ9pT+rZnamE5kwWle1UBefakpUlLgybU80aUf+WH2Y2 I5hCOUFUNjhmEjcPGfa/VhTip+yavO4YUE5NxRdkiZIOvIdKDsAFM9bBHl0OzxR29x4o /19A== Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (ip98-180-65-66.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.65.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4sm28071300oea.7.2012.12.30.08.24.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:24:24 -0800 (PST) References: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net> <000801cde625$b5d0c970$21725c50$@gmail.com> <8C32729D-4D48-41C5-962C-2DC232D9ABF9@cox.net> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:24:22 -0500 To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My brain stopped working due to too much egg nog when I posted that the diaphragms on my strombergs caused similar issue. Just one problem, there are no diaphragms on the su carbs. I did know that. Honest :) Jim Henningsen Ocala, Fl Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > In my experience a high speed miss tends to be plugs or high tension > wires. Points issues tend to show up as lower speed miss. > > Though "breaking up with a bad miss' sound more like a personal problem. > > Geo > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM >> To: Triumphs >> Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k >> >> Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a. At 3k rpm's it was breaking up > with >> a bad mis. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 30 19:53:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A4427B8 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:53:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AD240646 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:53:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i2qG1k0030QkzPwAB2qty1; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:50:53 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.21.162.38]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i2qr1k00X0q0jTL8N2qscX; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:50:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:50:50 -0800 From: Eric Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumph s=q20121106; t=1356922253; bh=dCloLWZWf/B6Tyz9tEut6J8vdY5hoKYYEA+Vjgj1vIw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=FBgc8aPrKRfMXNNal0foYWc7seiAQ5/tLmHF8Dk3EzRofn+vVoi3S3giNfwQ05xBl GJV7mfczRKs1mzZUInU4w4uERRIpSNLulBjCpy+KAgMvrUwFthV8JT/mSuYgX9EemW lkEJar76E9fdq8m4kWUxfZ8qL8IPdNoHErrD1hYBweaF1tq4KYZq1tO8ZfdpkelGoi gQdDef5M1kG6Cz1SqFds73TG/9qSVxgQHfcUsDu2XSK36K2x36FFP8lmeA/PipaLuC JE0p93a363CJHaW2kLglmr40t9fPMX17uif+OqHWA5lFFApHR6LT2dt+x1PdSOY2K3 QpAkS9l/cnM0g== Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Attached the GoPro to the surrey top of my 4A to see how it looks. Pretty boring, but I thought I would share. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M -Eric 65 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 30 20:34:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358AB42529 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:34:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD4C40520 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i0t51k0091zF43QA13Xus5; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:31:54 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i3Xt1k00V2yr1eL8k3XtxN; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:31:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:31:53 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Eric Miller s=q20121106; t=1356924714; bh=VXsDKS3+bYo3ZTce/3vqLh4AThiCvF9w0wVdwqgHoDU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CFCIpQU1BpT2ollJncboWzVGXGQkHiBoWvipjy1F+X1q+p+tkNYtF/APwkSVwSkbR 4PO+zGd4FWHCpp0P8ZUzW8Squ/np4tP/vsUc5UezaMtLnWCcEU95cK+2WgFijFWxfH HOMMgJhTq9PEbjvtOUGFngqDvnZOUnqOR7pVwCQGvcPt/iYsQvcHbozfRiedhJ7qQU 2xQz5uy3AQ8IPs5K/ruqP2nA7UGDftXhWHBwEBqLlFUnew6kkT8qihjK/NMc9YC+UC 0S2lvTRDtbtoH7Qcb53uYHvzKK0WbVY9wkSzKV1pK0T7b9glGyR/qF+RE8SeZJXYo/ q3D0OFKq/Zu1w== Cc: triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Went for a drive today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Lawnmower outside in winter? B You have a different definition of "winter" there... Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Miller" > To: "triumph" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:50:50 PM > Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today > Attached the GoPro to the surrey top of my 4A to see how it looks. > Pretty boring, but I thought I would share. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 30 21:00:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4532F427C8 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:00:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0F540435 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:00:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i3bq1k0051vN32cAF3y3o4; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:58:03 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.21.162.38]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i3y11k00L0q0jTL8i3y36s; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:58:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:57:59 -0800 From: Eric Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumph References: <1144471405.556681.1356924713699.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1356926283; bh=dujLsLS9RR6k7SdyjioMWeClkUnUlnotTj/WrrVhdz8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=iczAcRP71SCeZFh68p/RtPhJvcFqM9K5St6lmsHLp8bfI/y71Mw1xGGUQiPm0I1Ul NIVWfnllK3HS/TZhdrsPQWiiTk4lPw/pX8dQJNdo0w69QTkxvsDBeTPn/9KCTB55k5 YCzOqJl1LXAvAeg1o3pC5rADY3CgDV1Krk8FjdMizoeBYsBKuvWI4I9/+OIYwpzIBn xxk0wBWzKmsuQJn39gvXC2pXg+yauriFQMioOifvxOfjyDzWUfuJZvoEAjHwZbRAVZ QR34J2UmOpNFg3tDkZWMjkvk0QL/g4XkUMPbdDfF+Z1qnoZWo6fzfGVRKmEQtRbVoa PyVWLHHbuxdpg== Subject: Re: [TR] Went for a drive today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ha! Yea, lawnmower is stored behind the TR in the garage, so I had to put it somewhere while I exercised the Triumph. It was about 42 this afternoon here in Portland, OR. -Eric On 12/30/2012 7:31 PM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: > Lawnmower outside in winter? You have a different definition of "winter" there... > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Miller" >> To: "triumph" >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:50:50 PM >> Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today >> Attached the GoPro to the surrey top of my 4A to see how it looks. >> Pretty boring, but I thought I would share. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 31 07:53:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047044280B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:53:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51939427EA for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iCkh1k00216LCl05DEq4gT; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:50:04 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iEq41k00l2xV5no3SEq4wx; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:50:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumph (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1356965404; bh=EeuxbVa3rRrcKiaINtT+a2+ZleEvWyg8Evbc5AAi15I=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VQi968NRF2pb7GBmFlo6H6D+zLM+PBNbHQLhnke1ECrAaBVOVIWMeFpKAjvR2EG9e 0dsV5rAD8yU0Xe18BHnrHJRSwBB4A5gGrpYeNj5SiIM1n4DZKVUpJ3meJTN1v0zI0D vc40Sgzq6OEfDDU9uSIrg+VaRfX7uNgzpoxqLmfspld+uEb63bb2WaWt4nSFMKcIZh JCGe7LL7sW1SMwW2beEiiZPzeCFt9qOnsfUQgEyDgW6mUigKlTbZTDFnE2GPceGfqF UD0bURFeRyKzO1Qyb0qWFYH5XlmFeYyCNBl1HnIuX8UW+DJub/+r7kz+X4cSYd2CQi UWVO1TVCAMjGQ== Subject: Re: [TR] Went for a drive today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >Ha! Yea, lawnmower is stored behind the TR in the garage, so I had to >put it somewhere while I exercised the Triumph. It was about 42 this >afternoon here in Portland, OR. 9 degrees in New Hampshire this morning. 12 inches of snow on the ground from two storms since Christmas. TR3A is in the waiting for the winter attention: sand and refinish the wood steering wheel, pack the wheel bearings, grease all lube points, replace the drip tube from the battery, finish putting the rubber door seals on, adjust the handbrake, change the oil engine and transmission, put the starter button back on, and try to figure out where the latest oil leak is coming from. Have a wood stove in the garage this year on the odd chance it might make things more comfortable. Thoughts? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 31 08:47:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3238B42897 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:47:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9132742860 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:46:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iFg11k00117UAYkAEFkdmG; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:44:37 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iFkd1k00J2xZMJ48ZFkde7; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:44:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:44:37 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: terryrs@comcast.net s=q20121106; t=1356968677; bh=YPhzMp8SunZbbXUA2rLyRQaFkv1huXNwNb6ikpLoGhE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Iwsha8SXWkzT5mQD3eLzqckGwNbXlJLY8f+vcf1uNmeid/9hkBnLLWFS/2ZbvPHWp 1P+o7ElJY389Cmbq57dBsr1c0ZPliL+mGOhqRws5rMyl9bhBwHRl2tAuqvyWr7y7+Y brCjYB5g+5tp8ci+pIzhpNr5sjQNNh2rsj2qMu/AULgCkowcLtpvKPlKTeGXKMpcEU 20N9Liz4dd1dZi82c0C0AViyaDvSmQogSExayorCa+XRSG5GY0wVIqSgQzrHcYUOKL p5souiK7f2JG8n4HbyDKSx5ahSoUX2wt/hPrqNla4Wo5GEezNbEHDzCF9bm53P8w0J VfGLpcC092YuA== Cc: triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Went for a drive today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Have a wood stove in the garage this year on the odd chance it might > make things more comfortable. Thoughts? Illegal where I live. I have a nice Empire through-the-wall natural-gas furnace. Keep it 50 in the shop all winter long. Doesn't seem to cost much to run since the shop section of the garage/shop building is insulated. The Triumph and the Lotus seem to like it. The Saturn and the Chevy are salt-coated and freezing. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 31 11:51:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43942428D2 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:51:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8DF42825 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 18EF838000077; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-doc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.193]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E3426E00008A; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) To: ebuzzmiller@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1356979729; bh=b5LXHJAByIHXyfhPpKuIId8a6qwtk8MjF8j7my0fbX0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SJe79hz5Cil8y3qx2+2wG8bJl2fBZetokvV5Lwb9ZN4uP0r/Gnv9+k9ly7sksDuk6 MFDeBFNRhD4mFAt1rhep21KeBtRo/wkJb4o0BzJdWQCo9jhkhLqCuBAvjez9jnYGmJ RRCQ4pCgd24c/eTGzo9U3NXLKoVuEkOfexDHBCaw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c50e1de106bd0 Subject: Re: [TR] Went for a drive today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Looks good....you gotta love winter drives - thanks for sharing.....a little too much salt on the roads here for a drive but I'll be out soon:) Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 12/30/2012 9:51:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ebuzzmiller@comcast.net writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 31 20:37:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429EF4281E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:37:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DAE40535 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170130pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MFX00IS7GM04XL1@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:34:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from 71.101.255.163 ([71.101.255.163]) by vznit170130 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:34:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:34:48 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Happy New Yeart Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We are heading to bed as we have a 400 mile trip tomorrow to get back home. I would like to wish all of you a very happy and triumphant new year. I know I am looking forward to 2013 and getting the '3 back on the road. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive