From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 18:06:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E6E42272 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:06:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85EF406AA for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFZ00ITN48YCQ60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:03:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl-TR" To: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:02:55 -0500 Thread-index: Ac3ohOX8VpAmATWnSsixQV7hf83dhg== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Having one of those - "I can't recall" moments. I am putting the gear shift lever back in the car. at the bottom end there is a small hole that appears to have something in it. I can't figure out what. I sort of recall a spring and ball but not sure. anyone been there? Any idea of a source? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 18:27:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8030F42263 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:27:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6BA40EC0 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFZ008Q752JT9L0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:20:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl-TR" To: References: <000001cde884$e6ffe6f0$b4ffb4d0$@net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:20:40 -0500 Thread-index: Ac3ohOX8VpAmATWnSsixQV7hf83dhgAAhzcw Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I went digging in my boxes. Found spring 37502 and plunger 112424. Now - all I need is to figure out how they go together. Anyone know? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:03 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Having one of those - "I can't recall" moments. I am putting the gear shift lever back in the car. at the bottom end there is a small hole that appears to have something in it. I can't figure out what. I sort of recall a spring and ball but not sure. anyone been there? Any idea of a source? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 18:45:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B2842274 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:45:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A62F40EAA for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 01:42:38 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 01:42:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 01:42:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8972 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2013 01:42:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357090958; bh=HzEiNUOk5dZhNAmAnOxCIm136tSaPcLhd//VNJv3SJo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=030LC80HmVEHKDnvbmE+q8ydtoMh+nblmOBRgDs2usyvFAnTi80KXybZBFuiUXr/nPtbNUOqUIhysxy5vfkKu6eb/QVd4c9D/0XtGqM2elnw6Z81Y9Co+9xNgzr6DMawpbUs0mCFK9syU/m1dwCErq2xlZuuOq5bo7JOoaaLXog= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eN0YcoNjUWqkZoaleWMFOQMc4YDrToRnvjWFncpx7AIEkr8N1eMTcok6zIlo23onDhmbCKZ6wD25UrJjLvtmZQHeg9d0/pxWHWlKPenA48ezlCIjg1lTHhnRvLUCe201sDu+MTnzF1Vmix1xJIWKQzz1A+47UY7Ps+NslpggBVo=; ekRTSjgQPPN3IVy.Vvd7Puf4mo38r.qBOQm0z.b.L6EgPC_JGlDQPm9UfGQS kDkIfeDDYfHDbbRnCtLXiXhPrux.g4H1maYJ9v3tVZZxT1Xhqak_UP898Omi X965of8jgpzQ0jcaLM2YSbiZfb_KdUaR5B9YiPcPCeJZz4ZksucKuc0cfslR 6OJ6EXqUut2lEfpaP1AcQwjfXOHBcYbaG2MDKmRzLsjNv9ttzvfxksBMteSH ..l.x9llhXzyXym8DS8j49I4vvsyuUdi_gOiD49gSFGq1eGmr3QCVTwPjA_u jpXruIu05G3KSRGy3GFmuVhFwcTQ54R0hK2VzZsdhzcJb5hBtRdkuB9EU6DM fIykQdrqBFBPprpxyIJmVLMwuZ8YwQGU38mSiAyvCZeuHdm2cuYtiUmhD4A- - Received: from [71.103.140.143] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 17:42:37 PST aGFwcHkgbmV3IHllYXIgdG8gYWxsCsKgClNpbmNlIHB1dHRpbmcgdGhlIFRSMyBiYWNrIG9uIHRoZSByb2FkIEkgaGF2ZSBzdWZmZXJlZCBhbiBpZGxlIHNwZWVkIHRoYXQgSSBjYW7igJl0IGdldCBiZWxvdyBhcm91bmQgMTMwMC8xNDAwIGF0IGJlc3QuCk5vdyB0aGF0IHRoZSBzZWFzb24gaXMgb3ZlciBJIGRlY2lkZWQgdG8gZml4IHNvbWUgdGhpbmdzLgpXaGVuIEkgcHV0IHRoZSBjYXIgYmFjayBvbiB0aGUgcm9hZCBJIGRpZCBub3QgcmVidWlsZCBzb21lIHBhcnRzIHVuZGVyIHRoZSBwcmVtaXNlcyBvZiABMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net happy new year to all B Since putting the TR3 back on the road I have suffered an idle speed that I canbt get below around 1300/1400 at best. Now that the season is over I decided to fix some things. When I put the car back on the road I did not rebuild some parts under the premises of bif it aint brokeb and i donbt spend cash I donbt have. B B Had my distributor rebuilt by Advanced. Fitted that today. B Decided to work the carbs myself. In the past when I sprayed a little starting fluid at the ends of the throttle shafts it would bog down the motor..Just a little. It did NOT increase engine speed. I am running the TR4 PCV valve setup. The round pancake type. All new diaphragm. While checking the disassembled carb body I found the old throttle shafts to be worn. About 0.010b undersize. But I found the existing bushings to be only 0.002 max out of round and no worse than the new bushings I had to replace them. So I did not replace the bushings. Max clearance now from new throttle shaft to old bushings are from .002 to .0035. I have access to a very big fully equipped machine shop with excellent facilities for measuring. Ibm confident in those numbers. Installed new butterfly valves with the Ground surfaces to mate against carb. B fitted the carbs today also. B Got the car together today and I have no improvement in reducing the idle speed. B If I put my foot under the gas pedal and pull it up, I can reduce idle speed by about 300. it was always like that. adding a spring strong enought to do that for me made the pedal horribly heavy. B Disengaged the PCV valve to see if there was an air leak. No. B Squirted starter fluif around the intake manifold. No change in idle speed. B I guess I did not spray the throttle shaft again! Duh! Will check that Saturday again. B Car runs, but not right just yet. I think I need to play with the timing some. No power at low revs, kicks into power at about 2000. I think that I just need to mess with ignition for now. Exhaust note has changed though. Sounds like a tractor now and I donbt have the 2500 howl. B Any thoughts on where to start looking for cause of idle speed will be appreciated and tried this coming Saturday B Thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 19:36:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65B340E57 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:36:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A410F4056A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B83A1388 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:35:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:35:22 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Triumphs References: <000001cde884$e6ffe6f0$b4ffb4d0$@net> <000501cde887$60f8f5d0$22eae170$@net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As I recall the spring goes in the hole, the plunger on top, and then one fits the shift lever such that as you go to put it in position the plunger pops out and rolls under an immovable cabinet. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 19:45:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEA240FDC for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:45:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76474064C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:43:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFZ00A588SFMJ60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:41:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl-TR" To: "'Foster, Stan \(HP IT\)'" , "'Mark J Bradakis'" References: <000001cde884$e6ffe6f0$b4ffb4d0$@net> <000501cde887$60f8f5d0$22eae170$@net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:41:00 -0500 Thread-index: Ac3ohOX8VpAmATWnSsixQV7hf83dhgAAhzcwAAG0LQAAARwXUA== Content-language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Which way does the spring/plunger face? or does it make a difference. Thanks Carl -----Original Message----- From: Foster, Stan (HP IT) [mailto:stan.foster@hp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:13 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Carl, the spring goes in the hole in the gear stick and the plunger goes in next. The idea is that the spring keeps the plunger engaged in the gate and stops the rattle. The easiest way to install this is to take a plastic wire tie and place it around the bottom of the gearstick so that it compresses the spring and holds the plunger in place in the hole. It takes a bit of finesse to get it all balanced. Then you place the gearstick into position and give it a sharp smack with your hand. The end will drop into the gate, the plunger and spring will remain where they should and you can lift away the wire tie. Stan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:21 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever I went digging in my boxes. Found spring 37502 and plunger 112424. Now - all I need is to figure out how they go together. Anyone know? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 21:18:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD53240E57 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:18:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f181.google.com (mail-ye0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3638D4055A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:16:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ye0-f181.google.com with SMTP id m11so2139698yen.12 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:13:58 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=woPE7CDszr3fkxbLCVs1NUVBOL20fikIlgQt8eEfJY0=; b=WXoTzCTJZbL/OFpnAHskalEDUp114Bd64dFw0a4x6v7DXinE3yfMPb2Tf73PEvjSfp yJMkjhlXKDpDzL3z7RV0sQl5V0DVv7gwnCNAcYxq3pbg+nKLRlVwMr2vx5WIIKUHgbAL lL3TlFJ+t1teCo4FYen5AFBmAtizAzHE4ptSEyiP+xHXWKXRfmNz0RgXc9jsHC7TtYNw BrnHA+K4t/RXljz5k4qooIHl8ckargq8eApzbKk25YnYX9Zpnu2TTduavg5u6bv3cklc rw6ut40HNLa0GtBD0D3pFkhsFG3OUftKcMyT0iwqIrDsXPy7Ru9or78fjF2OQ8v2Cit4 UQOw== e53mr42488431yhi.127.1357100037957; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (108-254-212-29.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [108.254.212.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x9sm43907854yhl.17.2013.01.01.20.13.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:13:57 -0800 (PST) From: HANS DEFERRANTE Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:13:51 -0800 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Spit.1500 Trunk Light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, I am restoring a Spit 1500 and can't remember or figure out where and how the trunk light switch is located. Could someone help me out, preferably with a pic? Thanks Hans 61TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 21:39:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428344065B for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:39:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from g1t0029.austin.hp.com (g1t0029.austin.hp.com [15.216.28.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569AD40565 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from G2W4316.americas.hpqcorp.net (g2w4316.austin.hp.com [16.197.9.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by g1t0029.austin.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EF6B38076; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from G2W4313.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.197.24.255) by G2W4316.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.197.9.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.4; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:35:41 +0000 Received: from G2W2527.americas.hpqcorp.net ([169.254.5.131]) by G2W4313.americas.hpqcorp.net ([16.197.24.255]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.004; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:35:41 +0000 From: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" To: "cfmtr3a@verizon.net" , 'Mark J Bradakis' Thread-Topic: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Thread-Index: Ac3ohOX8VpAmATWnSsixQV7hf83dhgAAhzcwAAG0LQAAARwXUAAD/tXQ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:35:41 +0000 References: <000001cde884$e6ffe6f0$b4ffb4d0$@net> <000501cde887$60f8f5d0$22eae170$@net> <000901cde892$9a2d9440$ce88bcc0$@net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [15.217.50.20] Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you are sitting behind the gearbox facing the front of the car, the plunger/spring will be facing due left. The plastic wire tie stops the behavior that Mark is describing if you do it right. I find it easier to cinch up the wire tie first to not quite tight and then slide it over the plunger and the compressed spring. It may take a few tries but wire ties are cheap. Stan -----Original Message----- From: Carl-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:41 PM To: Foster, Stan (HP IT); 'Mark J Bradakis' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Which way does the spring/plunger face? or does it make a difference. Thanks Carl -----Original Message----- From: Foster, Stan (HP IT) [mailto:stan.foster@hp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:13 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Carl, the spring goes in the hole in the gear stick and the plunger goes in next. The idea is that the spring keeps the plunger engaged in the gate and stops the rattle. The easiest way to install this is to take a plastic wire tie and place it around the bottom of the gearstick so that it compresses the spring and holds the plunger in place in the hole. It takes a bit of finesse to get it all balanced. Then you place the gearstick into position and give it a sharp smack with your hand. The end will drop into the gate, the plunger and spring will remain where they should and you can lift away the wire tie. Stan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:21 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever I went digging in my boxes. Found spring 37502 and plunger 112424. Now - all I need is to figure out how they go together. Anyone know? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 1 21:53:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70A8407AD for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:53:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA3E4051C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:52:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 04:50:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.13] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 04:50:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 04:50:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357102229; bh=y3SQVnn6dL36D4j/2Dblfq4n7HDah50pf3eYufEovf4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=f328KNl0cBtpQsz7lOtogvTlsZA+x3MQQ8Fnpcdl5gpKOPtCGmgcP6Hk0UDrYd3fjJT7arsB/CX1NpKOHlfeZdrJtUu1UUi1vvDVrdvfQ2mvmYnvwAz6adIc8imaPMvap9g3Z1L1pxehQbcmaRSEgrEa8uNFzFKWrNnRDor1ioo= AQJQ0qiRbvamy1I7wN89Y1OsFNpMSqz36DRhj5aB6w3k0uQAA34KNbNBwT_d V75nbSSOPXAE.JRFX_dfMuJ5Q.h8zDaADpHl.ot7Oty0jW6rhm09oqmJs.6_ Pb67JyhHjhlRPAb_y.R2v4y2Ko3BVqJqH_cL.yO9YjDIrNWFauiwwgtZKglN .4oG6G3atHQ_Gzh66LbIzsF8Wl0NuTvrEmXDzPQBHi8wwO.H2YzvFgSPwUPX 40ZYxCevh6NQ0dO9l9NBwe_fpODkKQfpFVdGnIJh319.wABU4HnXvaToiFn4 nVAN04GgSgPTqC4Ruyx0envD.uOyFcBWY0BfwVAl.NE9rW3eSlwtbpKrwX7e YDgpzUc6Mrojblx7nhQWUFUzSgui6ovZqqs6UrkdpeRYG2s25EapHs524jVr g98o.7V8TQkP9fYF6sZ31OoJyw7fMcnerS8AjH61WnKSG3v6Un8NVU93L51K ulZRXquOjTt5t2m64YJ0kQYMU85aFRhRuC5gELIg6IBy0SGNC_W3IwyO6hFa vahQ5Dusq6HiA70DBBQTRPONhBw-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp113.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Jan 2013 20:50:29 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1357090957.8426.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:50:25 -0600 thread-index: Ac3oioiwH2/fJjNPS62vq7suTb2QcQAGYGAg Subject: Re: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Frank, Please post the successful result, I have the same problem. I can pull back on the accel pedal and reduce the engine speed by 500rpm. Springs are all good, tight and in the proper slots. I did notice that a friends 1962 Morgan, TR3 motor, has an additional return spring off a bracket mounted to the front exhaust mani-bolt. I can get a little bog when I spray started fluid at one of the newly re-bushed butterfly rods, but the is no play there. All the best, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 7:43 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 happy new year to all B Since putting the TR3 back on the road I have suffered an idle speed that I canbt get below around 1300/1400 at best. Now that the season is over I decided to fix some things. When I put the car back on the road I did not rebuild some parts under the premises of bif it aint brokeb and i donbt spend cash I donbt have. B B Had my distributor rebuilt by Advanced. Fitted that today. B Decided to work the carbs myself. In the past when I sprayed a little starting fluid at the ends of the throttle shafts it would bog down the motor..Just a little. It did NOT increase engine speed. I am running the TR4 PCV valve setup. The round pancake type. All new diaphragm. While checking the disassembled carb body I found the old throttle shafts to be worn. About 0.010b undersize. But I found the existing bushings to be only 0.002 max out of round and no worse than the new bushings I had to replace them. So I did not replace the bushings. Max clearance now from new throttle shaft to old bushings are from .002 to .0035. I have access to a very big fully equipped machine shop with excellent facilities for measuring. Ibm confident in those numbers. Installed new butterfly valves with the Ground surfaces to mate against carb. B fitted the carbs today also. B Got the car together today and I have no improvement in reducing the idle speed. B If I put my foot under the gas pedal and pull it up, I can reduce idle speed by about 300. it was always like that. adding a spring strong enought to do that for me made the pedal horribly heavy. B Disengaged the PCV valve to see if there was an air leak. No. B Squirted starter fluif around the intake manifold. No change in idle speed. B I guess I did not spray the throttle shaft again! Duh! Will check that Saturday again. B Car runs, but not right just yet. I think I need to play with the timing some. No power at low revs, kicks into power at about 2000. I think that I just need to mess with ignition for now. Exhaust note has changed though. Sounds like a tractor now and I donbt have the 2500 howl. B Any thoughts on where to start looking for cause of idle speed will be appreciated and tried this coming Saturday B Thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 06:27:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F834246C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:27:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 87C034006F for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:24:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:24:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:24:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 5390 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2013 13:24:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357133043; bh=0+RVOftANUM0TtKO/cWlq0qMEq1p15kAf2SUGtHhRXE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kfvNciNamaczPjDsaIxH+NcnnCaiIajLAmHYmRG9euxwoeQ9IWVxrao4NkmKURrNT6J0jyoZa0vQL1Filj7lxK5msaDxoCLy7u+zGp5XlBC6qrMXqR34Ra2ro3V7ghi242uB39kMyuB3r4/XRjy9w6wwAbkreGBdJSBr2QAuoPE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zhsp+AckXA8BwsaqfPuV/wK+gd6/4bwWd2WW1ifbSHEj8rv+CVdkNRU9WVj9oH6MkypUw73YO8KdxXEGcOQI9LYyxG4HUm7zKBoQtk9oT3HrtDp3v1Xmnqxte++DT7wfofSQearbQUvRwEKW1MmRzOcz/8shdSkjDNh3/1/jZNE=; QKwSQAT8AtOjrPBfmzU5uKChS39uQN.iS33IkVjN1MB.mWu5q3zyW_YYhksr ZuA6ysxKp121.ykSRYT3XLbgqMr6riFqA0.vgesFawseYh4NAoiA.5GbvFxb 9YIbYsaRDyWhO55BnWaBr3GNaoxdPldM_VCoJfZdLlhl4w_eDcPSd8wuzuio Dybdc_H1InUvSIEKN5KCvZzvvpaqqh1wPvUB7Gp3F3Mx0k_zQKMmH7jMjTw8 1wuMYD126oNGrR0HIahEKHCVB.cgDCmf3AgN6Ml0vbKF9e0HQdKWM7cQhZzF KEjUZVjcfLbLqZYc.CKD_mBQZC02T.MFhCtMwwPod_wWppLxfnv5.9dGwUiO ObhLTnCJGWs9Ev9ReuyZ9QZNNPLr9Dqi7MCj6dsXaTwkDY7A4o72lqVLCiFj PDyiVDMBRsKf1NY56i79RmDNV4NTHO1TQKc6audD._vY7ZZe_P5K1BvG0DgC bRY6wgDWjXNRGvphcIhT0 Received: from [108.40.9.4] by web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:24:03 PST CgoKSGVsbG8gQWxsLAoKSSB3ZW50IHRvIHRvcCBvZmYgbXkgZGlmZmVyZW50aWFsICg3NCBUUjYpIHllc3RlcmRheSBhbmQgbm90aWNlZCB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIHNxdWFyZSBoZWFkZWQgYm9sdCB0aGF0IEkgZG9uJ3Qgc2VlbSB0byBoYXZlIGEgc29ja2V0IHRoZSByaWdodCBzaXplIHRvIGZpdC4gTm8gbWF0dGVyIHdoYXQgSSB1c2VkIGl0IHNlZW1zIHRvIGJlZ2luIHRvIHN0cmlwLsKgSSB3YXMgd29uZGVyaW5nIGlmIGFueW9uZSBrbmV3IHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0IHNpemUgYW5kIG5hbWUgZm9yIHRoZSBiZXN0IHMBMAEBAQE- References: <0F61DBD1-9721-4EAD-A82C-2CEF255D0BF6@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:24:03 -0800 (PST) From: robert rudolphi To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] TR6 Differential oil fill plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello All, I went to top off my differential (74 TR6) yesterday and noticed there is a square headed bolt that I don't seem to have a socket the right size to fit. No matter what I used it seems to begin to strip. I was wondering if anyone knew the correct size and name for the best socket to remove this bolt. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Robert Rudolphi 74 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 07:01:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465B84248C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:01:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B3E4245D for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:01:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8380E1C000148 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 591B7E000082 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:58:52 -0500 (EST) References: <0F61DBD1-9721-4EAD-A82C-2CEF255D0BF6@gmail.com> <1357133043.2947.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:58:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:58:52 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357135132; bh=MMjxJ2qz+9V2tm5muejlo5FV+6zFXN+aqvEUs3mAFWo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NDrbGoIkrHimvSdpucIDYTkstWGR5h3mJSqHKa7FcXN7olyeVC8rmr5suz6KLpVvI VPwZj0/oP2HKiyRiv4yH4LoUnD2CLkNMZMevFNj3NDI1CIyQK3u1IeBEmURwDB5M2E vExFd69pKnSK276RmRfXLQzvADqO9o3hZYxnRvnY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50e43d1c0efc Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Differential oil fill plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Roadster Factory (and maybe Moss, too) carry a special wrench just for that. This wrench, developed by Joe Alexander (on this list) with a square hole on one end for the square headed plugs on transmissions and differentials and a 1/4 inch square hole on the other end for brake bleeders. This should be standard equipment in any tool kit. I don't know if this is the case but if it IS a 3/8 square head you can put a 3/8 socket on backwards (you may have to file on the plug where it has been rounded off) and drive the socket with a hex key. Or you can get a coupler at the hardware store in any convenient size. Some folks routinely replace these with hex head variety or the hex socket type. Not a bad idea. I have a brass hex head plug on the TR6 transmission. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: robert rudolphi Hello All,I went to top off my differential (74 TR6) yesterday andnoticed there is a square headed bolt that I don't seem to have a socket theright size to fit. No matter what I used it seems to begin to strip. I waswondering if anyone knew the correct size and name for the best socket toremove this bolt.Thanks in advance for any assistance.Robert Rudolphi74TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 07:19:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2487F424A7 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:19:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B4E4246C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.98.146]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id j2Ez1k00539W7XJ012F0LH; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:15:01 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Foster, Stan \(HP IT\)'" , , "'Mark J Bradakis'" References: <000001cde884$e6ffe6f0$b4ffb4d0$@net> <000501cde887$60f8f5d0$22eae170$@net> <000901cde892$9a2d9440$ce88bcc0$@net> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:15:04 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKBxqj65OD+3M5iusO2I44KBriT1wGw0tFAAgDD3RQCn2yr/AFJN2aUlpGGNBA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Really? I just installed a shift lever 2 days ago, and there was a bolt going all the way through, so the spring and plunger had to be either facing forward or facing back. So I went to a parts car and checked there - facing back. One other interesting observation is that the plunger has a flat surface and a rounded one. Intuition would be that the rounded surface would point out from the lever, but in my 250 it wouldn't shift unless I had the flat surface facing out. In the TR3 it made no difference. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Foster, Stan (HP IT) Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 11:36 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net; 'Mark J Bradakis' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever If you are sitting behind the gearbox facing the front of the car, the plunger/spring will be facing due left. The plastic wire tie stops the behavior that Mark is describing if you do it right. I find it easier to cinch up the wire tie first to not quite tight and then slide it over the plunger and the compressed spring. It may take a few tries but wire ties are cheap. Stan -----Original Message----- From: Carl-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:41 PM To: Foster, Stan (HP IT); 'Mark J Bradakis' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Which way does the spring/plunger face? or does it make a difference. Thanks Carl -----Original Message----- From: Foster, Stan (HP IT) [mailto:stan.foster@hp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:13 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Carl, the spring goes in the hole in the gear stick and the plunger goes in next. The idea is that the spring keeps the plunger engaged in the gate and stops the rattle. The easiest way to install this is to take a plastic wire tie and place it around the bottom of the gearstick so that it compresses the spring and holds the plunger in place in the hole. It takes a bit of finesse to get it all balanced. Then you place the gearstick into position and give it a sharp smack with your hand. The end will drop into the gate, the plunger and spring will remain where they should and you can lift away the wire tie. Stan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:21 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever I went digging in my boxes. Found spring 37502 and plunger 112424. Now - all I need is to figure out how they go together. Anyone know? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 07:55:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2CC424B7 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:55:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from g1t0027.austin.hp.com (g1t0027.austin.hp.com [15.216.28.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E9242479 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from G2W4316.americas.hpqcorp.net (g2w4316.austin.hp.com [16.197.9.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by g1t0027.austin.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2CD6382A5; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from G2W4314.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.197.24.50) by G2W4316.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.197.9.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.4; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:51:55 +0000 Received: from G2W2527.americas.hpqcorp.net ([169.254.5.131]) by G2W4314.americas.hpqcorp.net ([16.197.24.50]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.004; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:51:55 +0000 From: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" To: Andrew Uprichard , "cfmtr3a@verizon.net" , 'Mark J Bradakis' Thread-Topic: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Thread-Index: Ac3ohOX8VpAmATWnSsixQV7hf83dhgAAhzcwAAG0LQAAARwXUAAD/tXQABRT+gAAAOnBoA== Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:51:54 +0000 References: <000001cde884$e6ffe6f0$b4ffb4d0$@net> <000501cde887$60f8f5d0$22eae170$@net> <000901cde892$9a2d9440$ce88bcc0$@net> <006801cde8f3$90c292a0$b247b7e0$@uprichard.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [16.193.232.31] Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, my mistake. Thanks Andrew for catching it. Stan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:15 AM To: Foster, Stan (HP IT); cfmtr3a@verizon.net; 'Mark J Bradakis' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Really? I just installed a shift lever 2 days ago, and there was a bolt going all the way through, so the spring and plunger had to be either facing forward or facing back. So I went to a parts car and checked there - facing back. One other interesting observation is that the plunger has a flat surface and a rounded one. Intuition would be that the rounded surface would point out from the lever, but in my 250 it wouldn't shift unless I had the flat surface facing out. In the TR3 it made no difference. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Foster, Stan (HP IT) Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 11:36 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net; 'Mark J Bradakis' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever If you are sitting behind the gearbox facing the front of the car, the plunger/spring will be facing due left. The plastic wire tie stops the behavior that Mark is describing if you do it right. I find it easier to cinch up the wire tie first to not quite tight and then slide it over the plunger and the compressed spring. It may take a few tries but wire ties are cheap. Stan -----Original Message----- From: Carl-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:41 PM To: Foster, Stan (HP IT); 'Mark J Bradakis' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Which way does the spring/plunger face? or does it make a difference. Thanks Carl -----Original Message----- From: Foster, Stan (HP IT) [mailto:stan.foster@hp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:13 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Carl, the spring goes in the hole in the gear stick and the plunger goes in next. The idea is that the spring keeps the plunger engaged in the gate and stops the rattle. The easiest way to install this is to take a plastic wire tie and place it around the bottom of the gearstick so that it compresses the spring and holds the plunger in place in the hole. It takes a bit of finesse to get it all balanced. Then you place the gearstick into position and give it a sharp smack with your hand. The end will drop into the gate, the plunger and spring will remain where they should and you can lift away the wire tie. Stan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:21 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever I went digging in my boxes. Found spring 37502 and plunger 112424. Now - all I need is to figure out how they go together. Anyone know? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 08:13:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6DC42884 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:13:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D3A4249F for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id ACC531C000144; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (117.sub-70-193-0.myvzw.com [70.193.0.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 104A6E000098; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:10:39 -0500 (EST) References: <0F61DBD1-9721-4EAD-A82C-2CEF255D0BF6@gmail.com> <1357133043.2947.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Jack Mc Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:10:37 -0500 To: robert rudolphi x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357139439; bh=jhUniF+3UBzeU6EMJf4EFqVtLFZA+u6994TqXmdy9hc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=XQnGNbgs68+QPlyQAJQd9wfGv5xb3d1E3+tYH+7Cxh1W2TC39qQWhxB96fxhIC1Nu coDPxYhcpLQoeU81iNelaF0dTnW70G9gts5bwa/sPpPD5UG0LRJiLEmg/a+zc1xdDw tUvw9yAFmCJqgemMDHheczf/9McqjsNeBf5IrDfI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290350e44ded637f Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Differential oil fill plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, What you are looking for is an 8 point socket - works on square bolt heads with 4 of the 8 points - I've got a little set of 4 8-point sockets I got at either Harbor Fright or Northern Tool which contains the size you need for the differential and the size that fits the brake adjuster - I have Joe Alexander's tool that Dave Massey referenced and I prefer it for the brake adjuster, but if you have the 8 point socket for the diff plug and about a 2 foot extension, you can reach the diff plug with the right rear wheel off and apply a lot of torque to get a stubborn plug out. Of course the J.A. Tool is better for the gearbox fill plug - I'm glad I have both tools Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, robert rudolphi wrote: > Hello All, > > I went to top off my differential (74 TR6) yesterday and > noticed there is a square headed bolt that I don't seem to have a socket the > right size to fit. No matter what I used it seems to begin to strip. I was > wondering if anyone knew the correct size and name for the best socket to > remove this bolt. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Robert Rudolphi > 74 > TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 08:40:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9B34290E for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:40:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189A6424AC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so7948745pbc.32 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:34:43 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W3QuFDb2BGJ9HlqWtQsBHWJ1Ct6nR3bFOEVBYL6KCgY=; b=F0A+QG7M3iwOw+WRR2btKgfdQKesuEJ1UpHNwUA39jJXq2xCN5X9hn79O/j+6KSOGx VzfR6iIewKuScmH4sHGHXss1AeKwY3PaHRLrxt54QUYiWmdHqEMI39ijEDf7NzkvelIx qdVBIfIq3sUWR3BfLDVRErlW2Z4kDueFj9PEpuqts3BnLBvVakw3rLszqDjHf1uRzaEq bzLDjK1MCEehsHuFAsUwCpR66SUCh1rmaLJkBYxYthqpPiN6q0UPYPJ+ahE39TyrNfJG 5NQL7Jgx4Znb+U/VD1aM1QMbcplbs8lNEEjRI4jtcd/TKrwr1Ak1oUBNgl/1mPxYNonl wvhA== ri6mr145351798pbc.41.1357140883577; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-19-158-146.phnx.qwest.net. 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Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <0F61DBD1-9721-4EAD-A82C-2CEF255D0BF6@gmail.com> <1357133043.2947.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <93C20C90-89D6-452E-A9ED-B56B2FC7973B@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Differential oil fill plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/2/13 8:10 AM, Jack Mc wrote: > Robert, > > What you are looking for is an 8 point socket - works on square bolt heads > with 4 of the 8 points - I've got a little set of 4 8-point sockets I got at > either Harbor Fright or Northern Tool which contains the size you need for the > differential You mean I didn't have to chase down a Snap-On truck to get a very expensive 8 point socket to fit my square head drain plug? Oh well, I've always preferred snap-on tools whenever I could afford one and only needed one size. TeriAnn 1961 TR3A 1960 Land Rover Dormobile I don't need any other cars. 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Frank From: Wbeech To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Frank, Please post the successful result, I have the same problem. I can pull back on the accel pedal and reduce the engine speed by 500rpm. Springs are all good, tight and in the proper slots. I did notice that a friends 1962 Morgan, TR3 motor, has an additional return spring off a bracket mounted to the front exhaust mani-bolt. I can get a little bog when I spray started fluid at one of the newly re-bushed butterfly rods, but the is no play there. All the best, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 7:43 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 happy new year to all B Since putting the TR3 back on the road I have suffered an idle speed that I canbt get below around 1300/1400 at best. Now that the season is over I decided to fix some things. When I put the car back on the road I did not rebuild some parts under the premises of bif it aint brokeb and i donbt spend cash I donbt have. B B Had my distributor rebuilt by Advanced. Fitted that today. B Decided to work the carbs myself. In the past when I sprayed a little starting fluid at the ends of the throttle shafts it would bog down the motor..Just a little. It did NOT increase engine speed. I am running the TR4 PCV valve setup. The round pancake type. All new diaphragm. While checking the disassembled carb body I found the old throttle shafts to be worn. About 0.010b undersize. But I found the existing bushings to be only 0.002 max out of round and no worse than the new bushings I had to replace them. So I did not replace the bushings. Max clearance now from new throttle shaft to old bushings are from .002 to .0035. I have access to a very big fully equipped machine shop with excellent facilities for measuring. Ibm confident in those numbers. Installed new butterfly valves with the Ground surfaces to mate against carb. B fitted the carbs today also. B Got the car together today and I have no improvement in reducing the idle speed. B If I put my foot under the gas pedal and pull it up, I can reduce idle speed by about 300. it was always like that. adding a spring strong enought to do that for me made the pedal horribly heavy. B Disengaged the PCV valve to see if there was an air leak. No. B Squirted starter fluif around the intake manifold. No change in idle speed. B I guess I did not spray the throttle shaft again! Duh! Will check that Saturday again. B Car runs, but not right just yet. I think I need to play with the timing some. No power at low revs, kicks into power at about 2000. I think that I just need to mess with ignition for now. Exhaust note has changed though. Sounds like a tractor now and I donbt have the 2500 howl. B Any thoughts on where to start looking for cause of idle speed will be appreciated and tried this coming Saturday B Thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 11:00:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AA142967 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:00:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f177.google.com (mail-gg0-f177.google.com [209.85.161.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7042476; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f177.google.com with SMTP id y3so2243787ggc.36 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:52:38 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=5CYh1MrZMDlLMcCh+wN6S6DS2FyY3cHlv96FhHZjrFs=; b=c2cjafL+g0NS/iPixKHl1N0muluiat5QjexMvjKoLFnyB71e72tzWZnLPL6iaTQvvi KvCtfjniHaXojZtYWMzpMyOzFuPgw453mYTKOKJX1si4uZnwW9mkOUzZP50UvN3yBjd5 DkRRJSMsEA+DMIIQrLWC2n46Sb9Cu88QuKA8XD44pQl7PJ0pSeRUDUBn7wKDbAUnIwZ+ C8ILt3p+49DsqlI/ug347Cdhkbe4MlP/IET5yeXfmyksA8p7+NSYQEkV+jywQ6AzOWGo fhOkXeJYkEZmbtSszpPp8vg/M6qS8DiMubCIc6uFcU+7zfS+CamXLDhPu1XbjsWaxGIv YAiQ== h1mr46184336yhi.112.1357149158770; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (108-254-212-29.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [108.254.212.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w2sm46135916yhk.8.2013.01.02.09.52.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: HANS DEFERRANTE Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:52:31 -0800 References: <25073082.1357144950168.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: Roger Elliott , Triumph List , Spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Spit.1500 Trunk Light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Roger, I found it !. As soon as I read your email I remembered It. Do you by any chance have a post '75 California Spit . There are 2 mysterious wire connectors coming out of the wire harness near those relays/flashers on the firewall in the engine bay. Are they intended to connect to EGR test equipment of sorts? The wiring diagram shows some sort of plug connector that seemed to be missing when I bought it but the wire color code is different. Happy New Year! Hans On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi Hans, > > The switch is on the left hand side and activated by the trunk hinge. > > Let me know if you haven't gotten any pictures. I can take one and send it to you but it will tonight before I can get to it. > > Roger > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: HANS DEFERRANTE >> Sent: Jan 1, 2013 10:13 PM >> To: Triumph List >> Subject: [TR] Spit.1500 Trunk Light Switch >> >> Hi List, >> I am restoring a Spit 1500 and can't remember or figure out where and how the >> trunk light switch is located. Could someone help me out, preferably with a >> pic? >> Thanks >> Hans >> 61TR3A >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 11:23:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7554D429DC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:23:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3664249F for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:22:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 18:20:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.39] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 18:20:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 18:20:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357150822; bh=bH5yBNyfbq8c9bWkoy6vsD24AEaOL2mOba6kLf2P/pU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=4qhaKE/wQCQxKpdVOVQk8F0F8nKIluPHr2zfJvAQiSUCECFfK5g+ATXUYfEwz/PLtWqgD2IhhCSK6JqKqCgu7YwrKBiOuOzZZ7Y71m7sD3Rvtef5hE9u4WI+0hernI3FXXx/iw0/VIzTGtREEQ21Q9Gb0lkcpv4+BPxZm4V8pIk= TkxVd1xG7DvAunUxGk4BYyslML1H7IJocpb10P3KECqDZbegnM_k2gWGmqJy zsSyzYS15ayLlGbGN5UfHwlK_3K2OObwhTvtA_oqCKFV30CbSWI_1Cpb28il lbDBuTUEUDWTN_9TqnK11cL.I6wlj28KbedB9uQGiZIaCnrVuAUZHLsajsj8 StlAA4vD3__etQsXNWwkPPFtsnlIcNeEdCUGWuMdwBwkjUJa6rXReLptQlqE 5ubaJ4pIl_UgFwNP0VJqv8VKgyg8CakUUMNZu_RhWkgKD_8oWp0tAdzX69Ul kapUK3ZPvnLQpi7cxIWXW6ggikvcmRRitTQaFayLoT6_PEsvGvQEUwrN4ZoQ YngxXbNxH9GQitRmTjOidG47RZ6hffwDb9XKymRqJGoX8nkJ0QEfy6LkLAz. mb3x5B5XCQuw2ba1nMeFI9JTawlfgYNw1Ei00enZgYT_tX.z_PdWxiLtWOBn a2EvLqMj7ylf.Exp4Dap4ui75gC0LnUcD233sm6AVzCxc45PCgmg0.guVQBC JAbfOqEc5eKYx2DdLwYaqVCMmkN97Edw6 Received: from [10.110.246.103] (wbeech@166.137.149.100 with plain) by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jan 2013 10:20:22 -0800 PST References: <1357090957.8426.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3B264D39B4C1444A95182CE1D91C672F@bboffice> <1357141853.33271.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:20:19 -0600 To: Frank Fisher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm wondering if the butterfly alignment could be a little out of line. Thinking of pulling them off and loosen & re-tightening them. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: Bill i will post loud and often. :-) but so far no suggestions at all. Frank From: Wbeech To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Frank, Please post the successful result, I have the same problem. I can pull back on the accel pedal and reduce the engine speed by 500rpm. Springs are all good, tight and in the proper slots. I did notice that a friends 1962 Morgan, TR3 motor, has an additional return spring off a bracket mounted to the front exhaust mani-bolt. I can get a little bog when I spray started fluid at one of the newly re-bushed butterfly rods, but the is no play there. All the best, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 7:43 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 happy new year to all B Since putting the TR3 back on the road I have suffered an idle speed that I canbt get below around 1300/1400 at best. Now that the season is over I decided to fix some things. When I put the car back on the road I did not rebuild some parts under the premises of bif it aint brokeb and i donbt spend cash I donbt have. B B Had my distributor rebuilt by Advanced. Fitted that today. B Decided to work the carbs myself. In the past when I sprayed a little starting fluid at the ends of the throttle shafts it would bog down the motor..Just a little. It did NOT increase engine speed. I am running the TR4 PCV valve setup. The round pancake type. All new diaphragm. While checking the disassembled carb body I found the old throttle shafts to be worn. About 0.010b undersize. But I found the existing bushings to be only 0.002 max out of round and no worse than the new bushings I had to replace them. So I did not replace the bushings. Max clearance now from new throttle shaft to old bushings are from .002 to .0035. I have access to a very big fully equipped machine shop with excellent facilities for measuring. Ibm confident in those numbers. Installed new butterfly valves with the Ground surfaces to mate against carb. B fitted the carbs today also. B Got the car together today and I have no improvement in reducing the idle speed. B If I put my foot under the gas pedal and pull it up, I can reduce idle speed by about 300. it was always like that. adding a spring strong enought to do that for me made the pedal horribly heavy. B Disengaged the PCV valve to see if there was an air leak. No. B Squirted starter fluif around the intake manifold. No change in idle speed. B I guess I did not spray the throttle shaft again! Duh! Will check that Saturday again. B Car runs, but not right just yet. I think I need to play with the timing some. No power at low revs, kicks into power at about 2000. I think that I just need to mess with ignition for now. Exhaust note has changed though. Sounds like a tractor now and I donbt have the 2500 howl. B Any thoughts on where to start looking for cause of idle speed will be appreciated and tried this coming Saturday B Thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 12:17:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C390A42988 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:17:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s3.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s3.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADDE42476 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:15:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT122-W22 ([65.55.90.7]) by snt0-omc1-s3.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:13:02 -0800 From: Creig Houghtaling To: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:13:02 -0600 FILETIME=[2F4F4520:01CDE91D] Subject: [TR] Returning to the "Triumphs" list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Triumph list members, I have been away from this list for several years. I've been hanging out on the wedge list since that is what I have been playing with mostly. But I have come back to this list because I have a friend who is looking for a TR to restore. He has been checking every Craigslist and Ebay listing he can find within about 500 miles of St. Louis MO. He has found several cars, but hasn't found the one he wants yet. So I figured I could get him on this list and perhaps someone on this list might know of something he might be interested in. I think he likes the TR250 best, then the TR4. Then maybe the TR6 or TR3. He enjoyed restoring a TR3 many years ago. Now he has time & money, and the desire to do another car. This is my first posting since signing up this morning. If this is working, I'll get my friend to sign on as soon as he can so he can talk to everyone directly. Creig Houghtaling 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 12:42:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49426429B3 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:42:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918A42471 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:41:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id k14so17199795iea.24 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:39:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bFR/n/StXJUMOqDMf7obMCS3Gol2Nm1pYFw1SzV1Bw4=; b=FLdVr2IJZe4PssAgbNi/XQj9fFxAL5NrCvlxB75Oa0GtCIz/s7uYAePAZfpfTUHObq fjtd7z+uCgYruhGoLRTSHX8KgoDKqoen59pKmbDYt3kRV4FyvNsEDELPB2Xf32IS2cQB hJDwh3NZ9cj8dV16mqtjFAdWqs+K45tVbEn0GDDEvPCIIbMaauQMzH4LNhGVpXDg2+/F qTlYJnnzN4v0yOdQYEzafbm+dOOJv/S/LQruCgFMY6C2H7GAoFd82AwcGycmn3C+E0Qo UotVAZyR5R1A647AWhH9Aq2epfkrFnC5TwfsF+cBrNsRzB8bjiXqdos8OLy5q3f+d1Un D8Ww== Received: by 10.50.196.164 with SMTP id in4mr34460151igc.86.1357155565887; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.147.102 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Miata seats and A.R.E seat track adapters - for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to bomb the list but I know a lot of people have considered swapping to Miata seats in the TRs so I'm hoping someone might be interested. I have a nice brown leather set of seats from a 2000 Miata, modified Miata seat tracks and the A.R.E (Joe Alexander) seat track adapters for sale. Contact me off list if interested. Seats are located in Richmond Kentucky. Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 12:43:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF30A42A37 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:43:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E4D4248E for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:42:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hm11so10499523wib.2 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:40:25 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xxk4JRrCVRw/INgfnpchZjuWIv6nA6VMHuY3Wa5mgSg=; b=xMRI2mGeOuPGSOuAu2Dbou7PFoWii28IJ+MmtHMCadr0mMTJ6qWRLtOBOyh2s4mLIL AIw4T6ueLzuvMobdc645GGduFoqMo1RjsAuWgbr9b+x8ubrQAc15YsTOaAe7SRVJjvCA koT73kTZK50aYj1Z+CCjymEpx7YDn40+sja1LbJLF9SaLANeHErK94WESVGDj1WY1u8u DMRY4GwjshD6im5NtGv4WizPEn0nsbBRCeyLQydgjcn4Pb1+1OQPPJd7H9s4N5W7hEsp STkBDB6eg/tAZjiH34iM1dzbNtYV/DdAM3Wj6FqLoOBswp5m39NnzhFNoO8lhDBa4vDq e8XA== Received: by 10.180.102.230 with SMTP id fr6mr72426943wib.4.1357155625250; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.45.168 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:40:25 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:40:25 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Returning to the "Triumphs" list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Welcome back, Creig. I expect you'll soon be up to your ears in TRs... Maybe not so many TR250s, though. They're pretty hot and not getting any less popular these days. I still think about my very first car, a TR250, with fond memories. Don On 1/2/13, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > Hello Triumph list members, > I have been away from this list for several years. I've been hanging out > on > the wedge list since that is what I have been playing with mostly. But I > have > come back to this list because I have a friend who is looking for a TR to > restore. He has been checking every Craigslist and Ebay listing he can > find > within about 500 miles of St. Louis MO. He has found several cars, but > hasn't > found the one he wants yet. So I figured I could get him on this list and > perhaps someone on this list might know of something he might be interested > in. I think he likes the TR250 best, then the TR4. Then maybe the TR6 or > TR3. He enjoyed restoring a TR3 many years ago. Now he has time & money, > and > the desire to do another car. > This is my first posting since signing up this morning. If this is > working, > I'll get my friend to sign on as soon as he can so he can talk to everyone > directly. > Creig Houghtaling 314-401-7817 > St. Louis Triumph Owners Association > www.sltoa.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 13:35:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE94942ADC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:35:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260224246D for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 94FA11C0000B6 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 61D0DE00008E for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:32:02 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:32:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:32:01 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357158722; bh=zhuOhf4hCYDstmmNDLDIfDUc2AbzdJnzPkN/UED1xWg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a+tRo25RRNgiGv0B52pLCTaKnylJmhHLU4lXbShd5Ui3wQw09UHQD3TlswGidN8tA wcz1Pc9NhmMCU3I17XK2WWEN5ngthcwltXJ6mDIATqValgYYyi03JIikHsw2xVvUVE WkP+ksJLBbAIUh43ky255PMQi0BZ2/18DV1EG3qE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50e499421bc7 Subject: [TR] TR3 Windshield Frame Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have disassembled my TR3 windshile frame which included removing the Tenax fastners. I fou8nd that in addition to the two that were missing some more were epoxied in. I know there was a thread just the other week about this and the concensus was to use the through-the-frame fasteners and this is a viable solution but since I am about to take the parts to be chrome plated I have the opportunity to fix this in a way that I can avoid that since these may run afoul of the glass. Has anyone repaired these holes suitable for retapping. I think the frame is made of brass. If so then perhaps it is possible to build up a bead of solder and tap that. Remember that these will go to the plater so any subtle cosmetic damage can be repaired. Thanks in advance. Dave Massey ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 13:50:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3AB42A82 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:50:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6592042A4C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail211-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.236) by CH1EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (10.43.70.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:53 +0000 Received: from mail211-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail211-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6FDE01FD for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:53 +0000 (UTC) H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail211-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail211-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1357159610496766_19619; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS037.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.235]) by mail211-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E363A0058 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by CH1EHSMHS037.bigfish.com (10.43.69.246) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:48 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D77B68007 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A0124A19C12; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:46:48 +0000 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub1.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.14]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1707B68007 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub1.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.14]) with mapi; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:11 +0000 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:46:10 +0000 Thread-Topic: Flat spot results Thread-Index: AQHN6SoyiL8rtL7z9ki8/ZT1sU4jPw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-IE acceptlanguage: en-US VDF=10.130.61) Subject: [TR] Flat spot results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all on the advice, it appears (given several adjustments) that Randall hit the proverbial nail on the head yet again. The oil in the dashpot was well below the 1/2 inch above the central spindle. I am using the proprietary dashpot oil, so presuming the grade is correct. Regards John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 14:26:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B461542B45 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4C642553 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130102024634147.CRKM341@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 02:46:34 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iogbs85Xuh4A:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=MkyeH9AVTtrgpPXtU7oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5B/34-16644-64F93E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:45:27 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:45:31 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3ohOX8VpAmATWnSsixQV7hf83dhgAAhzcwAAL3VPA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shift Lever Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I went digging in my boxes. Found spring 37502 and plunger 112424. > Now - all I need is to figure out how they go together. Spring goes in the hole, plunger goes on top of it. Smear the plunger with heavy grease, to hopefully hold it in place while you install the lever. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 14:27:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C8C42B07 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:27:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7739C4254A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:22:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130102171821942.HMRC23036@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:18:21 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=eAUjyiv1wncA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=5qGZs9i45lcA:10 a=Mv5UUkM9AAAA:20 a=Wmmh5QN2AAAA:20 a=fqi0SSEZAAAA:8 a=9lt_CM0WAAAA:20 a=7xrTeyWp8AF-o4djC3IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9djcQaFDep8A:10 a=0CRglsSatrQA:10 a=n-ISMfHdtHkA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CA/1E-29976-C9B64E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:17:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'robert rudolphi'" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:17:21 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3o+2He/AguhGjVSfC4C5WrApk+8AAEIh8w Cc: 'Triumph List' Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Differential oil fill plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > What you are looking for is an 8 point socket - works on > square bolt heads with 4 of the 8 points - I've got a little > set of 4 8-point sockets I got at either Harbor Fright or > Northern Tool which contains the size you need for the > differential and the size that fits the brake adjuster You can also buy the individual sockets at Sears. I prefer a 1/2" drive for the diff plug, as they are sometimes extremely tight; and a 1/4" drive for the brake adjuster. I've also been known to replace the plugs with hardened hex socket plugs (from MMC), which seem less apt to strip and at least in some circumstances easier to access http://goo.gl/yg4ga MMC also has them in magnetic, which I like to use for drain plugs http://goo.gl/qS9pX -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 14:27:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC6842B8C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:27:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503534254E for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130102193653906.GCWJ341@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:36:53 +0000 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=0wiOde9d68gA:10 a=9fR1Fe1QO84A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=qmEUuMslYPQA:10 a=rIkwzfK9AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6weKV_8hq-uIRlOCGHsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=DxFAkPg_4OIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=8Tm0YXamqMfVWybD:21 a=5iz9f_lxXp0AYcGv:21 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:37944] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/C6-16644-F0C84E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:35:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:35:47 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: Creig Houghtaling References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Returning to the "Triumphs" list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Craig, Welcome back! The TR4s are getting hard to come by but there were a few on Ebay awhile back. I believe there is one in restore able shape on ebay right now in the southern tier of NY. Frequent Triumph ebay seller. If your friend cant find something nearby, expand the search. He can always do what I did when I got my 4. Fly to the location, rent a truck/trailer and drive it home. A lot more fun if you can talk a buddy to help out! And I did it in the middle of winter! Bob On 01/02/2013 02:13 PM, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > Hello Triumph list members, > I have been away from this list for several years. I've been hanging out on > the wedge list since that is what I have been playing with mostly. But I have > come back to this list because I have a friend who is looking for a TR to > restore. He has been checking every Craigslist and Ebay listing he can find > within about 500 miles of St. Louis MO. He has found several cars, but hasn't > found the one he wants yet. So I figured I could get him on this list and > perhaps someone on this list might know of something he might be interested > in. I think he likes the TR250 best, then the TR4. Then maybe the TR6 or > TR3. He enjoyed restoring a TR3 many years ago. Now he has time & money, and > the desire to do another car. > This is my first posting since signing up this morning. If this is working, > I'll get my friend to sign on as soon as he can so he can talk to everyone > directly. > Creig Houghtaling 314-401-7817 > St. Louis Triumph Owners Association > www.sltoa.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 14:56:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7948E42597 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:56:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B3842544 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j0b81k0050EZKEL559tPzF; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:53:23 +0000 Received: from sz0048.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j9tP1k00X2xV5no3M9tPhb; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:53:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 21:53:23 +0000 (UTC) From: tfansher@comcast.net To: Carl TR s=q20121106; t=1357163603; bh=UVNlklcXWG+sj3pMShl8tcogtEMQNzgbj6TUNFIImLw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=EJwKcWB4dqiTeXFkUUuIXtNmsLRn8KWIreRGeaAIN7DYNQAG45LL5MEHsDS5VQV97 7jJSDBLwYTmVG7AAqsT02OzkdGQ34gbQmcwnrW0OTxZx7/ppUko7Y4GHmDzKrJVqG1 RTmEH+vm26E90dZ5Wo2hEZ3janWQjtuKRvNwEl7nyeoIyUj2vnnJ8gRc0zmrOP8AMI r0ek316bASuzmQOKdSbaYlxDLEiZi916wYIT4MQI4URmouXThmekFcbyaNjEPWqFB+ VAi17wh5HZYfwjAcP8N/78P/ASm+V5FXsSfrPqGi1Q2224Z0nGISWKlMALhv2Gj67t d1AjbRRIc3Eww== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Happy New Yeart Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl, I don't think that "Yeart" is quite up there with "fluif", but it's ok. Happy New Yeart to you, too. Tom ;^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl TR" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:34:48 PM Subject: [TR] Happy New Yeart We are heading to bed as we have a 400 mile trip tomorrow to get back home. B B I would like to wish all of you a very happy and triumphant new year. B I know I am looking forward to 2013 and getting the '3 back on the road. B B Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 15:07:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50B64257F for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:07:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 42FCA42557 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 22:01:10 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.207] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 22:01:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 22:01:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357164070; bh=emq7++h/G2mmnNuZ7gLfYwEgm4NSXITwW99y7u1H50A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=n2qV94SANALo+63zqAHkRAFe1tIChSQPnrOhYcWmbrDAT+b8VsB1EnqaeAr3XE30WtuEtIf5weWeCUHl65hncv5GaOYaDkwGeNw0XRTkqNXLJIwjxZDR4tO5/fmQqqcKVb0riPT8FDu+VVxAnr4FdezEKkV9Rg5QzLknAbLXjSE= 0Jv1vrJCNdtQuDyu_egj4ofTcr4Q6xB6gn7c.t1ZpdUwrfsWO68FO9wEd.sT SYzxjZPRRJu23o6t7Xgk5DsXx43z9a0J04wokuS4jZ1XnK1t_MTEKwbmcU.2 BqI8HbECgh1J33xiKaBwbeJIaPbqMFu.tCKscxxlHL9cTnYad3yK9VgppckJ 4uFH0br3S2jrGdhU_WVlxMH8DMKZMhPbW_ZdW7CcDHOEOt9toq.aKq3w00R2 S2kw3jnXjcYpO2sCh6HOjBNbcOciMB9Fs8To3SdwqsYHzKBUr6S_GRekia0u tESUawgk4681rikzpzgcqJPKNFU1BMr4FCEb.iFLgEUrAd9_9qZfIC8ct5kC WkhOaWW7USFlCKtPeNSpOtqTfnTnPZO7snmnlieEGpZzz3AyEJwOaUfd6p1x xX34t1XVLGhCDMBuwKesFVCEDcrKA1xd6W2sWFAEdsaNJVrli4DuIM_X79hR saGz1SLB96UFIOE3KRIu8fv6ZUlh5R3RDYFA7PL0K9w-- Received: from [10.110.246.103] (wbeech@166.137.149.100 with plain) by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jan 2013 14:01:10 -0800 PST References: <633714613.2027862.1357163603327.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:01:07 -0600 To: "tfansher@comcast.net" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , Carl TR Subject: Re: [TR] Happy New Yeart Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe someone got a new yurt for Christmas ? Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:53 PM, tfansher@comcast.net wrote: Carl, I don't think that "Yeart" is quite up there with "fluif", but it's ok. Happy New Yeart to you, too. Tom ;^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl TR" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:34:48 PM Subject: [TR] Happy New Yeart We are heading to bed as we have a 400 mile trip tomorrow to get back home. B B I would like to wish all of you a very happy and triumphant new year. B I know I am looking forward to 2013 and getting the '3 back on the road. B B Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 15:56:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E25542BB7 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:56:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D529042B36 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:56:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130102193955238.CWDK21956@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:39:55 +0000 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=0wiOde9d68gA:10 a=U0RDBJgh8EAA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=DnAB8L8ENUkA:10 a=D2pnMSFQbAtjLAuRuz0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:37950] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 35/3B-04255-5CC84E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:38:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:38:49 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1357090957.8426.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3B264D39B4C1444A95182CE1D91C672F@bboffice> <1357141853.33271.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7B19217D-222E-4AF5-89C6-E02A742A4BB7@flash.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, That would be my first guess. Best way to do this is to just back off the adjustments, disconnect the linkage and re-tighten. Take the air filters off so you can insure the butterflies are parked. Recheck after tightening the linkage. Another reason, could be a vacuum leak. Bob On 01/02/2013 01:20 PM, WBEECH wrote: > I'm wondering if the butterfly alignment could be a little out of line. > Thinking of pulling them off and loosen & re-tightening them. > > Bill > > Sent from mobile Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 15:57:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D594C42BDB for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAACB42B36 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:56:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130102213736458.GKAV341@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 21:37:36 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IvbfURyyBZIA:10 a=mjwZ0fDlxW4iHSLKUywA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:32989] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 8F/C8-29976-268A4E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:36:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:36:34 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Massey Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Windshield Frame Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Has anyone repaired these holes suitable for retapping. As it happens, I had a conversation with a local club member just yesterday about this. What he told me was to start with a 1/4-28 steel bolt, which you drill (preferably in a lathe so the hole is on-center) and tap for the Tenax stud. (10-32 I think, but please double check.) He claims the hex part of the stud will cover the end of the bolt, making the repair invisible once the stud is installed. I don't think Loctite would survive the chroming process, but you could probably stake the bolt in place and have them chrome right over it. Personally, I don't care about the "exposed" head. It is so nearly invisible that I had to look closely to find them on a car that used the "through the frame" fasteners originally. Since they were original equipment on some cars, it seems unlikely that even a concours judge would mark you down for that. But you would know better than I Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 15:58:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98126403DA for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:58:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6087C42BA5 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:56:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130102024235091.BRI27959@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 02:42:35 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=U0RDBJgh8EAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DnAB8L8ENUkA:10 a=Uweoh5HmWA8x8jh2g_oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EF/38-04255-95E93E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:41:29 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:41:34 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3oioIh56V1m8hqRMm0zA2yBEezQwAAqbWw Subject: Re: [TR] Causes of fast idle TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Any thoughts on where to start looking for cause of idle > speed will be appreciated and tried this coming Saturday I assume you have already backed off the idle stop screws, and stuck a feeler gauge in the gap to be sure the stop lever isn't hitting the stop. I once found a burr in there that may or may not have been causing trouble. My next step would be to loosen the pinch bolt for the lever to the linkage on the front shaft. If the idle drops, you know the linkage is binding somewhere. Press down on the idle screws (which are still backed off so they don't touch) just to be sure. Might also be worth opening the throttle quickly (just grab the fast idle lever) and letting it slam shut. Block off the PCV again, and spray some starting fluid or WD40 around the blockage and where the fitting joins the manifold. As before, any change in rpm (either up or down) indicates that you've found a leak. Next step, loosen the linkage between the carbs, then listen at the intakes to see which carb is passing more air. Pull that carb off and start looking for how air is getting past the throttle plate. I don't mean to criticize, but I'm guessing you'll find that either the plate isn't centered as well as you thought; or got turned back to front somehow. When my shafts were worn so badly that the engine wouldn't idle; I could get the idle rpm down by blipping the throttle. The wear in the shaft (and carb bodies) was letting the front plate drag against the bore and bind if I closed it by gradually letting off the throttle. If that went on long enough, I suppose it is possible that the bore would be worn into an oval shape that the round throttle plate would no longer fit properly. One last thought; on my last go-round I discovered that the idle stop lever was installed too far away from the throttle plate, so there was a gap. That allowed the shaft to move forward slightly when the throttle was open, and then the plate would drag against the side of the bore as it closed. It eventually wore a step into the bore big enough to hang up on (even though it was hard to see the step with the naked eye). Inserting a shim next to the lever, recentering the plate with the lever pushed up against the body, and setting the return spring with the clip as close to the carb body as I could get it (so it supplied some end force on the shaft) made a big improvement. > Had my distributor rebuilt by Advanced. Fitted that today. Did you set the timing per his specifications? From comments others have made, I believe he uses a curve with less advance, so the initial timing should be somewhere around 12 BTDC instead of the factory 4 BTDC. Of course, that will make it even harder to get the idle rpm down. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 16:26:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87DE42BF4 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:26:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B345A422E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.82.105.244] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 23:20:31 -0000 Received: from [212.82.109.128] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 23:20:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 23:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 13524 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2013 23:20:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357168831; bh=HcKBNZ3oYx3I7hv+tGBeijjQIIoyhviFTrrGvA+FnHY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fk749eHdJ2TTlNYIL3vdx9waWi7MM6kRr8xMUX1fJv36IvJns1Rw11bA9xoI7RUTeeww8AxJnNKdoInhuQDOwS/kHO6KGtCJ+CanyuxyfAJT7k2CWsYAy+WfbGA6T+nT9pUJbPgW9BiAb57LkMjCQad93re8liBz1BcVuCEZ+Pc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E2Motq8B7rM2uT3IpC0w6mLdqP0mBv5sIz9OOVnSkYCRKem2CgW2jWWpUL8QCB4TRsK8fwRAgrH2Xg16PVO9GXuNnb8RpD95Kna4/vbt4bKoVLmW6BgKvutBbzMl86vLCe6l9YYn2IzD0errb1S7dy5MvU5+NHh2GinjA34wqhc=; ygoxpOb9.5lfF9mBxVJlARNt21XPTQjm_uVmxsxO4E8qmZaBUiNAp5YHeNoY QCmFJrwMtATIUq7EIeRbC73YAQ6w0GOFV7eUdRMVkueYnScmWYG.PCb1Rr3l c_4lVK930FHzVNNv.1iJ98egon1MLMiG2RlP0FI7smwvOHHrAIOQG3Zn0sGY _5WaXkBuuHA2kVdItaCio8AebKO5BFy0iwr7DhiJJR1rLYCWjGsnyBZup8NO yVdm2VLZK6yqq5Bm5_Jd.OMDhyrQWe4LaDu_xqRIrTEV2A0jJnlpd8mj.PcS AC7tTeau8GLmqvb_hUpX9uxZx0UPmwvriEXeT80DIOjIPIGXgIcyqAxakAHj 2KuvtR7ycmOGV96fZiz0y4iTB3f7pjFE04vIu7fTZhy8- Received: from [90.199.100.236] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 23:20:31 GMT V2F0Y2hlZCBhbiBleGNlbGxlbnQgVFYgZHJhbWEgcHJvZ3JhbW1lIGxhc3QgbmlnaHQgdGhhdCBoYWQgYSBncmVhdCBwbG90IGJ1dCB3YXMgYmFkbHkgbGV0IGRvd24gYnkgdGhlIGNhcnMgdXNlZC4gU29tZXRpbWVzICh0aG91Z2ggbm90IG9mdGVuKcKgcmVzZWFyY2hlcnMgcmVhbGx5IGRvIHNjcmV3IHRoaW5ncyBiYWRseS4KUHJvZ3JhbW1lIHdhcyBhIHR3byBwYXJ0IGRyYW1hIGZvY3Vzc2luZyBvbiBBbGxpZWQgYW5kIFJ1c3NpYW4gSW50ZWxsaWdlbmNlIHNlcnZpY2VzIGluwqBXVzIgZWFybHkgeWVhcnMBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:20:31 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] BBC Drama tries to hoodwink - and fails Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Watched an excellent TV drama programme last night that had a great plot but was badly let down by the cars used. Sometimes (though not often) researchers really do screw things badly. Programme was a two part drama focussing on Allied and Russian Intelligence services in WW2 early years for part of the story line and the rest in the early 70's - with some scenes shot in "UK" and others in "USA." Okay, the scenery for a small Texas township just across the border from Mexico adequately conveyed the location but as the "story time" at that point was 1941, seeing a black and red Triumph Roadster in RHD and a 1946 Austin 14 camouflaged to look like something out of Detroit was hardly convincing. Plenty of time for a good look on several occasions, so no mistaken identities. Programme was called "Restless" for those who want a low budget production with the wrong cars at the wrong times - but a good thriller plot. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 2 20:50:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4874142E87 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:50:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83BC42E66 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 10C5838000073 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DA939E000085 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:44:58 -0500 (EST) References: <20130102213634.Z4UUG.151857.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:44:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:44:58 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357184699; bh=rRj2en+eE0HVPVzTeRodIPD+LP/OElOfcdjizA+bQy8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=peDYNA1UWGr39zsMFvo7pBytYjW+LNUtKe52spDZkS8eOrgeLdZjtTo4/BTxOSrJZ Gt1bo9n2IHTot0famxBZzIHkSeJDF5ZR6yK+5aSMPwl//+lIlrlBmV65k3S+QJe2fW BElbcgjZsU9LuBZrdcHwjzlSOmRNgSkvBcQLj0Vk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50e4feba3d66 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Windshield Frame Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's a clever solution. According to the Moss catalog these are 2BA thread but that's not a problem since I have a set of British taps. Now. Thanks. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: triumphs ; Dave Massey Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Windshield Frame > Has anyone repaired these holes suitable for retapping. As it happens, I had a conversation with a local club member just yesterday about this. What he told me was to start with a 1/4-28 steel bolt, which you drill (preferably in a lathe so the hole is on-center) and tap for the Tenax stud. (10-32 I think, but please double check.) He claims the hex part of the stud will cover the end of the bolt, making the repair invisible once the stud is installed. I don't think Loctite would survive the chroming process, but you could probably stake the bolt in place and have them chrome right over it. Personally, I don't care about the "exposed" head. It is so nearly invisible that I had to look closely to find them on a car that used the "through the frame" fasteners originally. Since they were original equipment on some cars, it seems unlikely that even a concours judge would mark you down for that. But you would know better than I Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 08:34:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAA24068D for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:34:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495DE40E81 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (97-116-160-81.mpls.qwest.net [97.116.160.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r03FV18N020509 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:31:02 -0600 (CST) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:31:02 -0600 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pat, this popped up on TR user group today. On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:56 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0500 > From: Brad Kahler > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Miata seats and A.R.E seat track adapters - for sale > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sorry to bomb the list but I know a lot of people have considered swapping > to Miata seats in the TRs so I'm hoping someone might be interested. > > I have a nice brown leather set of seats from a 2000 Miata, modified Miata > seat tracks and the A.R.E (Joe Alexander) seat track adapters for sale. > > Contact me off list if interested. Seats are located in Richmond Kentucky. > > Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 09:05:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6D640E59 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:05:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317B240E4B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id rl6so8761772pac.1 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=9dQABU1E3eWVrX+WozNQZE0tZi5X29uUYMiuAQV9CYA=; b=dASrXv4VM6TyHJxsIM3rnIMPQ4MYvkOtc3ECXqHDCgIorcn8VZ3jR8kCbHB+r1Avg0 /3UWvvipUxljDjXgXaSIWWFaW+SVCdjaLmmgWp/Sx19tOw3BGa2Et9XNtWUdflMjEUI9 1or0HBiOk/xnXWxGWcSiOGpIilzXdYbHgt7ES/sL+HAXJA4rkG4b209XXzmlkV2U7/p6 A1rRAFQEgiMLl0TN3scMLPtvBUPwwmR97xhtxxnrLTk227y+OcPbR5LVp2JuPGjB0MaR Tj6+22Y/f8b7Eniyu4zCvKcRUdcaEcC28G4eAjJoX0tvWpolgM4PZ6EE3re+KaukMlkL IrQg== g6mr146939701paw.61.1357228926884; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-19-158-146.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.158.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ty4sm30522855pbc.57.2013.01.03.08.02.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:02:03 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/2/13 4:20 PM, John Macartney wrote: > Watched an excellent TV drama programme last night that had a great plot but > was badly let down by the cars used. Sometimes (though not often) researchers > really do screw things badly. That sort of thing spoils a movie or episode for me. There was an American TV series in the 1990's called JAG. In one episode one of the main characters "Harm" met his half brother for the first time in Chechnya during the**second Chechen war. There was a Russian army arms convoy driving Land Rover 101 trucks. That totally distracted me from the story line. I Never knew the Russian Army had Land Rovers in service. 101's seem to be a standard fill in whenever an American movie company needs Eastern European military cargo trucks. That's the one episode that really stands out in my memory. Just because of the Russian military Land Rovers. So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 09:49:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240DF40E1B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:49:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth21.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth21.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BE124051C for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26353 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2013 16:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.184.166.234) by smtpauth21.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.38) with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2013 16:46:48 -0000 From: "Dave" To: References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50E5AB7B.7040201@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:34:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my family is amused because I'll see an ad with a scantily dressed model and I'll be staring at the car in the background trying to figure out what it is . . . -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:02 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 10:02:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942AB40E59 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:02:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E6A4051D for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id qd14so18119840ieb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:58:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Im2vmsKtfXG5ZobuNd9Zgg9sD6rtYfhvWhGb8BlKmH4=; b=bfTPuR6ACJ7tDv+N3L+IbbM2y9BE1l/GpWSxVQVIlzXvJ9c77kTEr2ByukmmWk/9Ya F/dIxVo3plglHIGD3c+A+K0A1pHmopOehRKhsR3qz/q3ezkAC1648fQ3VTGMEp4P9cYv pmYFePwvafW33jT7uD/ICN3nbfFq/W7wNajhe/E1AvsIgkdEBw/BBtnl3sJWgbfGl4ML sOpwwDXhf/hqIMXC5QAynKv1V1M8D9kpLH3fVyIxXmiwFvKyGZ2RgqoQShQNyYUh99YJ Fl11aiEBAQg0o2hy5BAWAT4WFUNZwTyjZyhyCXY3K37JtpTVbQBvo6Aw9nPHFyBkzVDw w/Kg== Received: by 10.50.88.168 with SMTP id bh8mr42999863igb.71.1357232335301; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.147.102 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:58:55 -0800 (PST) References: <56C9E48F-79F4-4544-8F59-B2F2D4140456@ties2.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:58:55 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Joe DeMuth Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the replies, seats and tracks have been sold to the first responder. Thanks, Brad On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Joe DeMuth wrote: > Pat, this popped up on TR user group today. > > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:56 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0500 > > From: Brad Kahler > > To: Triumphs > > Subject: [TR] Miata seats and A.R.E seat track adapters - for sale > > Message-ID: > > ZQ_Wwj52YirDtrwo7NKga6HQjfFOcVBA@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Sorry to bomb the list but I know a lot of people have considered > swapping > > to Miata seats in the TRs so I'm hoping someone might be interested. > > > > I have a nice brown leather set of seats from a 2000 Miata, modified > Miata > > seat tracks and the A.R.E (Joe Alexander) seat track adapters for sale. > > > > Contact me off list if interested. Seats are located in Richmond > Kentucky. > > > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 10:07:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565E0403D9 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:07:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E381B40356 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:07:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id e13so18448624iej.4 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:05:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GwFq5WphEyHEnI9JODn8Y9YOHI3egCaXdkl6bOz2HBY=; b=YFWtpt7LUV457xeAB91s+Is4g4jZnu1XRf5uIlaOtJjrTIDIyibw2/pvl9kOdWhAqQ nIEG06adM3t6N7Z8JOpBbhA9NdSax80FfLAZ/B8kwA8IWTTN1/UycRMIJm6FwI4X3fjb rCIV8V8UWCO52Znpfh5qAVeNNNFyDBPPl0ILO0WEle/WDgLzwykk3ERHrTj1fvBJotzf C2JovvzowAgRq/ASis6VwWE4rMaizs0ZXS692c5zcC6sGyvrPacjnphMhHGlb0yx/Mhd rBfM/9pisBtklneSTtWLgiOxRTVXJDC/2cxB1lEaUuEAWIIwjvTMIGd6GLp2cstHsVTR NXZA== Received: by 10.50.88.168 with SMTP id bh8mr43014668igb.71.1357232700430; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.147.102 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:05:00 -0800 (PST) References: <76731E459EB54F86A535CF4C35DD0320@BobDell> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:05:00 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Miata seats and A.R.E seat track adapters - for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I had the seats installed in a 63 TR4. There was no issue with the soft top frame and the seat to steering wheel clearance were not an issue. Not having seen any other Miata seats or how they fit I can't say whether the fit was to tight or the same. The 2000 Miata seat tracks are definitely different than the earlier years and required more modifications. The biggest issue was the width. The 2000 and I assume later tracks had an additional bracket on the side that I had to cut off using a cut-off wheel in a hand grinder. Not difficult at all. Once those were off the mods to the tracks as detailed on your website were pretty much spot on. Brad On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > Brad......... I thought that once you got to the 2000 Miata seats, they > were too wide for TR6 installation without making some major mods to the > soft top frame where it mounts to the B pillar. If you got them to fit with > no mods, let me know so I can update my web site on the Miata seat > conversion. > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.**org/ > > 1975 TR6 modified with: > -Throttle Body Injection > -Toyota 5 Speed > -Nissan Differential > -AAW Wire Harness > -CVJs... and more > > -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:39 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Miata seats and A.R.E seat track adapters - for sale > > Sorry to bomb the list but I know a lot of people have considered swapping > to Miata seats in the TRs so I'm hoping someone might be interested. > > I have a nice brown leather set of seats from a 2000 Miata, modified Miata > seat tracks and the A.R.E (Joe Alexander) seat track adapters for sale. > > Contact me off list if interested. Seats are located in Richmond Kentucky. > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.**danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 10:17:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DF34051F for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:17:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FC040321 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:12:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130103170943.MPOJ30259.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:09:43 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id jV9i1k00M4qRjhw01V9jqq; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:09:43 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=4kxM1wKy-vYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yQA1sb5SFWMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=E1cr800dsHAeoQDcLPsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Dave'" , References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><50E5AB7B.7040201@gmail.com> <622EEF8AF9A14213BAA0A8B4EC369FFC@Datsun> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:09:59 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac3p0f+kE3yylzd8S2G+6rgDLWGfRwAAvtSg Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I see the Bullitt chase scene, I always count the times the VW Bug appears in the shots. They obviously used the same vehicles in numerous parts of that continuous scene. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV my family is amused because I'll see an ad with a scantily dressed model and I'll be staring at the car in the background trying to figure out what it is . . . -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:02 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 12:22:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5EB4054A for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:22:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2014043E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.191] by nm30.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 19:17:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 27937 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2013 19:17:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357240643; bh=4u73ORp8ktx3fKr3ImQKnwGEOggrzh0XD3nDacKKMlk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qRIOLjEM9ML3YcDPl1Mw+cpNFTLiU8a5hggX0ro/Ud8rYKjMhDa2zgW3cRXE2o5rWNcShyz3LWjgX2aZeTeujfsnwg4KhXJIL1X7uqRUxZH7wswyTwGGjd8auEziNxKb8rIJoNPtbnMcFzd2lWXsi4oyQkxOm95GjsDDJBk5qYI= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h3weYmumslpVhI+/CB+ueHrvE11XFEH4TX15TCsYtO1FQIOWBesY8zsy0aoXnokq0Q86PkVosucNJNhWR2sRx7X4qhxinab9+a8YY2SQqsdgZ3k/c0/6XTqZ3o9GgXp+6ygL2YC0wLTb66MtDK93BYdqMbkuALZzvEn1Fg9gpE8=; 6XbJscoi9OHJIkBF9d8SO09nQKL5Po7ibZddbIG52gzpzOZ8scWe4nY16TST clxGD73eY3GchphoUoJWwfNqXi6lxwDncRj.sjwhfc9GWNUgl7Zpz6T8lZO8 SMxk5eLtO8xYAwLAkjpsHIoKgA9qUVhsTeZ51RrX5AJ1kFTd9W55BlEXb_DF 1vrvdrYkCKHjzCQPAfBcpZ2PKEMXw_p72SmaW93hcY_ip5KCUQar7L5Qdz.0 1s32Vz7mEU8gJbSJRMa1tZxPzCcsU5L6bxC6RAxt2p4CflrumXsM3y29WpG8 plD83_W4uOw4HIn1aeuEYNph4.7FMvkZSikZzeqb09JHZcDhWE..44y16Vcq Yhl1zClHFWZ7siBeEBipdhv76bJK98XdyrfLUVdAvsw9GY09ZG3BcbVdfOde 2qkHdaAyewHjzrt36Ycf07IbhxSoxqJfvfyQvH.sq37iWfamzMi43pa3IgKA 2VrLeUR6FnxMV Received: from [108.240.208.24] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:17:23 PST wqDCoMKgIEkgcmVjZW50bHkgd2F0Y2hlZCAiRGlydHkgSGFycnkiIGFuZCB3YXMgZW5qb3lpbmcgdGhlIGNhcnMgaW4gdGhlIGJhY2tncm91bmQuIFRoZXJlIGlzIGEgcmVkIFRSMyB3aXRoIHRvcCB1cCBhYm91dCBoYWxmd2F5IHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIG1vdmllLgoKwqDCoMKgIEJpbGwgaW4gVGVoYWNoYXBpCgoKRGF0ZTogVGh1LCAwMyBKYW4gMjAxMyAwOTowMjowMyAtMDcwMApGcm9tOiAiVGVyaUFubiBKLiBXYWtlbWFuIiA8dGp3YWtlbWFuQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmUBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently watched "Dirty Harry" and was enjoying the cars in the background. There is a red TR3 with top up about halfway through the movie. Bill in Tehachapi Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:02:03 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 1/2/13 4:20 PM, John Macartney wrote: > Watched an excellent TV drama programme last night that had a great plot but > was badly let down by the cars used. Sometimes (though not often) researchers > really do screw things badly. That sort of thing spoils a movie or episode for me. There was an American TV series in the 1990's called JAG. In one episode one of the main characters "Harm" met his half brother for the first time in Chechnya during the**second Chechen war. There was a Russian army arms convoy driving Land Rover 101 trucks. That totally distracted me from the story line. I Never knew the Russian Army had Land Rovers in service. 101's seem to be a standard fill in whenever an American movie company needs Eastern European military cargo trucks. That's the one episode that really stands out in my memory. Just because of the Russian military Land Rovers. So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 12:30:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E8440512 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:30:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61484044D for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c790e.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.121.14]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MG200CVWE1HSWA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:27:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:27:20 -0500 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac3p6FkV86ryQLi2Qny2qnE2TAWv8g== Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curry wrote: >When I see the Bullitt chase scene, I always count the times the VW Bug appears in the shots. They obviously used the >same vehicles in numerous parts of that continuous scene. They also filmed the chase from numerous angles and appeared to use ALL the film when they edited it together. Both cars pass that slow moving VW about 4 times on the same hill. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U (appeared in "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" w/ Jerry Seinfeld) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 13:24:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F06F40561 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:24:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20D140449 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [96.238.190.118]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MG200BHEGBSLX70@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:16:41 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:16:40 -0500 References: <000601cde9e8$59641c70$0c2c5550$@net> To: Dennis Culligan Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Dennis Culligan wrote: > Joe Curry wrote: > >> When I see the Bullitt chase scene, I always count the times the VW Bug > appears in the shots. They obviously used the >same vehicles in numerous > parts of that continuous scene. > > > > They also filmed the chase from numerous angles and appeared to use ALL the > film when they edited it together. Both cars pass that slow moving VW about > 4 times on the same hill. > > > > Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U (appeared in "Comedians in > Cars Getting Coffee" w/ Jerry Seinfeld) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 13:40:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162A740651 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:40:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F93740445 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:35:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 20:33:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.160] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 20:33:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 20:33:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29481 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2013 20:33:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357245197; bh=dvdC/cAz7rxYxGZ99SLLxrlmtmQcVq56iUK7G6hPy0g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uTFBAw8oSuFuhM3wIxfsBIA1Ztb4AmJZ76k6W4TNvF7SelRqNoV/JIE16J4cO8j9JJf5CIyXq8vIhyrSViBVHovpCdg9LZ4p1n4QPKZlBcFNjg5SGEpkDG3Dmwh3q5TT8+L1kL4KTYu5ku0PHj0uEOrrg8dXCLNgUC9iGnY4jTM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VAUHV+KX3SCEU3tjJuZ7l3Uu9i75o5WUztrm6Pa+3j6HnMhv672xnWbcllo5JfIJNznICZo0bTohRqIw77WNfiu2q4tPG0JyHuA59evuvAbIo04jOj2GSQOeehm2yNbEGAjjB08tFFLh+RqmB+RHTPIMIDQNi+RJsSiS6otijoY=; 0tuynckku0gqkt8VB4NLdESjvsX6uvPFwNJgfC3cpFmQJXAytYiJZ_V0uI9J MA4N5yOEmXMcHafV1KCOnWsr6p0Nj6L2E9dwgGTRcP2d_2rWJkouiTITLGCe uq6TZGE4DfmyKTioFKG99_nEBRQz7tdks_2LvDkS1JjDjT6VYsz_fvL6WIB3 9BKP11mMjDZ4XMH69M29qaCxDpX3AX072zTZCq3oanE2s48PhC4Szo71TpHR XbHTE9yyUxBNxpzq4lc2TdNSxxFvxUduubaUoMbQFbEAqZJT6JUrqRQIqMLA gjORtWcFYRfM0xnc52RnkGkreQ5u_YchbicZcZCE6nmQODDEkNGWIgEfqRIj mw7sDZm6zr6.sCCL7ur79H4ZOO8fVhMtEQKHAalSEQmntFUz2Q492AwspowH mW1TNJYdBrJ32HFOt8ZF2GEWfT.K5fGZkk0DsHVWkM6a9ShVF5ZKTVT5cfF2 9Wc5bNf1dniXL5eaI4yNejg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:33:16 PST bmFoCmltIGJsZXNzZWQgd2l0aCB0aGUgc2FtZSBvYnNlc3Npb24uCmV2ZXIgY291bnQgdGhlIGh1YmNhcHMgdGhhdCBjb21lIG9mZiB0aGUgZG9kZ2UgZHVyaW5nIHRoZSBjaGFzZT8KRnJhbmsKCkZyb206IFRlcmlBbm4gSi4gV2FrZW1hbiA8dGp3YWtlbWFuQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgSmFudWFyeSAzLCAyMDEzIDg6MDIgQU0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBDYXJzIGluIG1vdmllcyAmIFRWCgpPbiAxLzIvMTMgNDoyMCBQTSwgSm9obiBNYWMBMAEBAQE- References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50E5AB7B.7040201@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:33:16 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net nah im blessed with the same obsession. ever count the hubcaps that come off the dodge during the chase? Frank From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:02 AM Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV On 1/2/13 4:20 PM, John Macartney wrote: > Watched an excellent TV drama programme last night that had a great plot but > was badly let down by the cars used. Sometimes (though not often) researchers > really do screw things badly. That sort of thing spoils a movie or episode for me. There was an American TV series in the 1990's called JAG. In one episode one of the main characters "Harm" met his half brother for the first time in Chechnya during the**second Chechen war. There was a Russian army arms convoy driving Land Rover 101 trucks. That totally distracted me from the story line. I Never knew the Russian Army had Land Rovers in service. 101's seem to be a standard fill in whenever an American movie company needs Eastern European military cargo trucks. That's the one episode that really stands out in my memory. Just because of the Russian military Land Rovers. So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 15:48:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8040651 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:48:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BC240440 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:47:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130103224503.CRSE19700.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:45:03 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id jal21k00H4qRjhw01al2UE; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:45:02 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=4kxM1wKy-vYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yQA1sb5SFWMA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=NEXd6_LruNVoA6P7HVkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Dennis Culligan'" , References: <000601cde9e8$59641c70$0c2c5550$@net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:45:19 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac3p6FkV86ryQLi2Qny2qnE2TAWv8gAGxCag Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I watched an animated film by Steven Spielberg a couple of weeks ago entitled "The Adventures of Tintin". It was very entertaining and had excellent graphics for an animated film. Toward the very end of the picture was a great sequence that included either a TR2 or Small-mouth TR3. Some of you side screen guys can probably say for sure. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Joe Curry wrote: >When I see the Bullitt chase scene, I always count the times the VW Bug appears in the shots. They obviously used the >same vehicles in numerous parts of that continuous scene. They also filmed the chase from numerous angles and appeared to use ALL the film when they edited it together. Both cars pass that slow moving VW about 4 times on the same hill. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U (appeared in "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" w/ Jerry Seinfeld) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 16:30:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1099A40563 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:30:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B39940440 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 23:24:41 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.191] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 23:24:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 23:24:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357255481; bh=Z8hECdFPGTR+WIcmqD4DNZtYwy5MkD6dgp3uWl1ZUX0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=djHscjyMzgA4REolWRf3TdGNrsX0EbkHEBtmvpiCZVshxqwE/FV10UiQPDzU+cJkLkJKDxxfLI5kdruzxoWCPeBhCjXwGG++hSXdpFXBS35wTBYy+CZ1LRxcxJ2bGmLdio8sqgJmc5ewqx51OcqsqGMn6L5xAfJrGK7QTbvZQlQ= Xoa3mZkHCaBK.HvSQzWCtMTNFjaP8bYFAhv03FYihjIhobY_iG5nyjsndxtL K9xo_IfHVAs8Pb50CiAXJX4UUnzLLBOQMx5NZPzJgauR67gKSbCtzQCA0dxS zVIp9LVFV9BlGagHQha7O85GLrkUGeqKtygAlYeNkqSA3zBDt03MB2yWNRqN UjypJ85T1.Z2ksSAAyiwkWdVZh50d3H65sLZCCZ6IVV2RN8g9BruGjzyuNrX 9OiI7zcWBjTjTfRF3Hsrl0DA.YVUjnDx9_pEqcet_dt5Oj9iM7KfuF5x1D8P wt.jA7RmKTNXyk1jvdZiXbQ4Ra.Jp.J_trMyi.kbQj7_jfleE._ANczc_hgy CvUJBWGAIXMLb.9ldGMtO0YaCRQDnmIMKxt6g5KvGjy4ssfHc2.sC8y.NDlW Z98PF1pFQKdRdfI4p11GMzGvMM9Me03bIf_c_JEKQL3fp7UQD0wJkneVQ55O CPIvyiZdY2AWApKj3KNXHn..yst7AeVPL3HMo2hnihoffYzZU2lQyGMq2RGx FoG.SXUBBIQRmzy1UV1aIenkBAYnCj_CVy8nHMCqTgkACbypMXLSLHW2fx6Q 3RXN14u7F3BcKw3LrdWOv.hMBjLK.WwYnwYBCMblk7_3csnU82FHKDl0uzMc IIQ-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jan 2013 15:24:41 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Joe Curry'" , "'Dennis Culligan'" , References: <000601cde9e8$59641c70$0c2c5550$@net> <6DC00844B5104B3289D4AD8DFA076F81@Vista> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:24:35 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3p6FkV86ryQLi2Qny2qnE2TAWv8gAGxCagAAF3EiA= Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net By the by, this has been posted before, there is a web site with all the interesting cars that show up in the movies. Take a look at your favorite here: http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Triumph.html Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:45 PM To: 'Dennis Culligan'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV I watched an animated film by Steven Spielberg a couple of weeks ago entitled "The Adventures of Tintin". It was very entertaining and had excellent graphics for an animated film. Toward the very end of the picture was a great sequence that included either a TR2 or Small-mouth TR3. Some of you side screen guys can probably say for sure. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Joe Curry wrote: >When I see the Bullitt chase scene, I always count the times the VW Bug appears in the shots. They obviously used the >same vehicles in numerous parts of that continuous scene. They also filmed the chase from numerous angles and appeared to use ALL the film when they edited it together. Both cars pass that slow moving VW about 4 times on the same hill. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U (appeared in "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" w/ Jerry Seinfeld) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 16:33:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683214068D for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:33:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B11C40441 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:33:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130103233039.ZGP19285.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:30:39 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id jbWe1k00Y4qRjhw01bWev4; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:30:38 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=4kxM1wKy-vYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yQA1sb5SFWMA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=bY1O8GvqAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=zUfupTM5AAAA:8 a=72EspxkrXezE3pc779QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=NP3l2sbit1QA:10 a=euBXV7iiUIsA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T8dgJqO1V8cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=I_OCivJwKH5tHW5G:21 a=LC3R8fpq_NxgZu-I:21 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Wbeech'" , "'Dennis Culligan'" , References: <000601cde9e8$59641c70$0c2c5550$@net> <6DC00844B5104B3289D4AD8DFA076F81@Vista> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:30:55 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac3p6FkV86ryQLi2Qny2qnE2TAWv8gAGxCagAAF3EiAAAEEh0A== Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for that reference. Using it, I found the car I mentioned earlier: http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_483886-Triumph-TR2-1955.html Joe -----Original Message----- From: Wbeech [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:25 PM To: 'Joe Curry'; 'Dennis Culligan'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Cars in movies & TV By the by, this has been posted before, there is a web site with all the interesting cars that show up in the movies. Take a look at your favorite here: http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Triumph.html Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:45 PM To: 'Dennis Culligan'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV I watched an animated film by Steven Spielberg a couple of weeks ago entitled "The Adventures of Tintin". It was very entertaining and had excellent graphics for an animated film. Toward the very end of the picture was a great sequence that included either a TR2 or Small-mouth TR3. Some of you side screen guys can probably say for sure. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Joe Curry wrote: >When I see the Bullitt chase scene, I always count the times the VW Bug appears in the shots. They obviously used the >same vehicles in numerous parts of that continuous scene. They also filmed the chase from numerous angles and appeared to use ALL the film when they edited it together. Both cars pass that slow moving VW about 4 times on the same hill. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U (appeared in "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" w/ Jerry Seinfeld) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 17:38:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EE940569 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:38:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0C3403D0 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f11so547267yha.3 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=Xu0l1o326w793gMrYlj9myyBVMVKD4x7uFc6qnas2Ow=; b=wG8E6rzU49+fYltPTYd0IxHVlR/XmpCWWEMnY7Wezvx+qZPkq45xiBniyyaSdU067s YOLL9E1TqkIyH7K0PtdLxjH9rdbzI/aANR9qJnRsvawUrteEoHp0yvcgVK/A7nD4vO1E LnuQiwOYjyQTsXf6gU6eJvtArXt5ifklOewCo+ZBIAg7E0QPA2sb/UzzN3XnCW7eI0C4 xkb1AFP5kli3Meg8r3uHEbroga2gteB/+YBAZID+OYs/izwnwjJ7XcRN3e7TUl2Scj74 oqsejk56INh1+Yg8L/kx2vTAZZGRt/nBKsn5/T9UyonAzbYVOQaCNqrydgP/ZaeMsHQp PP8w== w20mr15168835anl.2.1357259732775; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-65-66.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.65.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j25sm51674278yhm.13.2013.01.03.16.35.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:35:32 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:35:56 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3qEzgH8jnvhaLfTLGSiz26b1ZwrA== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] Part Request Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for a working original Triumph am radio (pos or neg polarity switch preferable) with the chrome look push buttons and handles. It is for an early 62 TR4. Please email me off list. Many thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 Trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 3 21:43:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D931742277 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:43:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B708040436 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:43:05 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=4kxM1wKy-vYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=yQA1sb5SFWMA:10 a=KUjp8G3PzE3tGXN85eEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:60616] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BD/72-01424-93D56E05; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:40:25 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50E5AB7B.7040201@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:40:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. TeriAnn" No, love to try to spot European cars in street scenes from American movies of the 50s - 70s, love to watch European movies of the same era and spot the rare and unusual cars. I do notice mistakes sometimes in modern movies but it is more of a sport or diversion than anything else. Mistakes don't ruin the flick for me, one thing that is prevalent, movies made today about about past eras, the cars are of course generally from the approximate right period, but they are all too nice, no rustbuckets or oil burners, of course they borrow cars from enthusiasts and such, mostly fully restored, I am sure it would be pretty hard to get a bunch of time warp original cars warts and all to fill a street scene. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 4 09:22:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8318A406AD for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:22:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A45740441 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2013 16:18:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2013 16:18:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2013 16:18:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 13883 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2013 16:18:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357316324; bh=9ziYBljxV3koKAhC6WTf3dm2N4K0++L5D4t1nFY5TvU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6NIFFe+dewesG1vy7y6Oc6sJeCb+oWWUawG6bo8tNI6dNLY98VmrRp1KHv9PiYE8pY3mrDB+EJZ4TcAT5J2ppMd/jcE6OJ6+YzccyyDXSsIG+scW/8pT2aKg9exPISc0BT/iPTQ89Xk4xp6apmSueLlpNq6DtOGJmFry6RQNAFc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6g1r45gLiBJ0Z4K4e2y9IFcClwVuoQ7mJJhjUwKoszevMJ9oWV7fBmy0hd8rbpECY4ZIkO2D6ZYy9LCrdlaYMfgQuYDrO/WWMppj0ifA8fW8mO5WFsrleJhM32a/4xm61jJGlszQdbxhA8PSlsFdNJ+wTkN+97PKGq7b4y+0RUg=; XNRj1XVGnzeC9Logdtija Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:18:44 PST ZG9lcyBpdCBoYXZlIHRvIHBsYXkgb25seSBvbGRpZSdzPwrCoAoKRnJvbTogSmFtZXMgSGVubmluZ3NlbiA8dHJndXk3NUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMywgMjAxMyA0OjM1IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtUUl0gUGFydCBSZXF1ZXN0CgpMb29raW5nIGZvciBhIHdvcmtpbmcgb3JpZ2luYWwgVHJpdW1waCBhbSByYWRpbyAocG9zIG9yIG5lZyBwb2xhcml0eSBzd2l0Y2gKcHJlZmVyYWJsZSkgd2l0aCB0aGUgY2hyb21lIGxvb2sgcHUBMAEBAQE- References: <004901cdea13$76b9d1e0$642d75a0$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:18:44 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Part Request Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net does it have to play only oldie's? From: James Henningsen To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: [TR] Part Request Looking for a working original Triumph am radio (pos or neg polarity switch preferable) with the chrome look push buttons and handles. It is for an early 62 TR4. Please email me off list. Many thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 Trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 4 15:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC7940E4D for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:49:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F4D40421 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:48:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B9FAD1C000095 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dea001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dea001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.53.65]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8F86BE00008B for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:45:39 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: l1j1s@aol.com Received: from 64.131.128.239 by webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.163) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:45:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:45:39 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357339539; bh=beRVaVSKl/YesYPZhHNS5HUrI5SXz0NZ/cjdrQz+vj8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q9lugCMCdN9/YUcU0eHDl7iZ3RA5YsfZVCq9WmVKT9ZSEkC2oteuTOx7cmkVtg2LO u3TOHNcyLRT5iG8ygYQzjuhJSYAVM5XZnU5GX1Ymv8xKa9YBXRa73hBEVOIPwB5WNR NhyaQOP80qOMqyL4VmwunSHzvDsd86c7ZFRDgwjw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d50e75b934ded Subject: [TR] TR-TR3-A part wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List,I am looking for my Tr3-a the bracket that goes on the bottom of the radiator that gets bolted to the front chassis frame.It is the 'L' shape bracket that measures maybe 18 inches long.If anyone has one that they can part with, then please contact me. Thanks, Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 4 17:41:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9D84042F for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:41:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C594042E for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W103 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:38:57 -0800 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:38:56 -0500 FILETIME=[0C258570:01CDEADD] Subject: [TR] TRF Summer Party Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In case you are not on their email list, TRF has announced the dates for this years summer party. Aug. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. See you there. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 4 19:18:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696AC40444 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:18:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41054041D for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:17:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with SMTP id QDT38832; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:14:32 -0600 From: "Michael Marr" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50E5AB7B.7040201@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:14:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Nope, you are not the only one, TerriAnn. If you look carefully at that scene you will see that the same selection of cars are seen on parked on different streets during the chase. They must have moved them around between takes. I just saw "The Bank Job" which has an excellent selection of 60s vintage British cars. And it was a pretty good movie. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:02 AM To: Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV > On 1/2/13 4:20 PM, John Macartney wrote: >> Watched an excellent TV drama programme last night that had a great plot >> but >> was badly let down by the cars used. Sometimes (though not often) >> researchers >> really do screw things badly. > That sort of thing spoils a movie or episode for me. There was an > American TV series in the 1990's called JAG. In one episode one of the > main characters "Harm" met his half brother for the first time in > Chechnya during the**second Chechen war. There was a Russian army arms > convoy driving Land Rover 101 trucks. That totally distracted me from > the story line. I Never knew the Russian Army had Land Rovers in > service. 101's seem to be a standard fill in whenever an American movie > company needs Eastern European military cargo trucks. That's the one > episode that really stands out in my memory. Just because of the > Russian military Land Rovers. > > So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie > Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San > Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along > the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 4 20:16:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDBA40436 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:16:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E16B40421 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id k3CP1k0021afHeLAA3DMC7; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:13:21 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id k3DM1k0022yr1eL8d3DM50; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:13:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:13:21 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: marty sukey s=q20121106; t=1357355601; bh=YYrYrzx8Q/H9agsYinePdiCgxufgQGX8akRW0EUwO6Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=qh46zqLW8Ud+aFaHSsy7hCVzJdFG3W5KUGejmD2iUdx/pKpEqnU630WfUsYaGQbJE 3yEybIPinigz2cz9D2dHg73DkI5OnGID+XTpN9ECa83LTmVD+bqH7ckeiqzYLaMvtR nr4dgwyYMTq5Bvhf+5+U5JC8CNmxpGIhkQe02IRsjEkGDG2us5PaguAbA0kOvBo/y3 BCpOR/5Bbnc09nYun76wiOG4mOffao3BvbLWOT+U5S6uYMeieAKaYxz4PDpgLMRlQU 63JjIc3tS4VWtNwfJhDvYymxK4iiDlyNCZ6JIpFmLp/8eOywfbSq6cCrYQPETElsny cbjNnhsLykNIg== Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TRF Summer Party Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Same time as the Lotus Owners Gathering in Corning NY. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marty sukey" > To: "Triumph List" > Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 6:38:56 PM > Subject: [TR] TRF Summer Party > In case you are not on their email list, TRF has announced the dates > for this > years summer party. Aug. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. > > See you there. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 03:06:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945BA4043F for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:06:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF0540431 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:05:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130105064621208.HHRV27959@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 06:46:21 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=VhMdQ0HqHysA:10 a=gWLVIsZWAAAA:8 a=q7h3W5awzHYFh4ho_ZMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=StWe8PS_QQ8A:10 a=cv-LtEt-4S4A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EC/76-29976-8FBC7E05; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:45:12 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:45:23 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3qzV4C6YUO0Y7jS4C9vd1qKx+3uAAQfX2w Subject: Re: [TR] TR-TR3-A part wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > List,I am looking for my Tr3-a the bracket that goes on the > bottom of the radiator that gets bolted to the front chassis > frame. Larry, Are you talking about the guard for the lower tank, P/N 109487 ? I don't have one to offer, just not quite clear on what you are looking for. Maybe others aren't clear either. I don't think Ted reads the big list, so I'd try contacting him at tedtsimx@bright.net His web site says he has a TR3 that he is parting out. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 04:18:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6B840531 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 04:18:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm23-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A334E40443 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 04:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm23.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 11:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 67473 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2013 11:12:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357384364; bh=P9huqdRs28i0eBg1WX/odbbRR8poAiqgh/mNtlX85tc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6bnXGGz9HLFlhl6Xb3OtA8iM1ShVOZwKpqKG2jcb+OBTGAtdVQAeVwQGfRo2kzbDv3IzZac5r0M4Ikk5Gfdqk9NQlkVYMPp0SJzmASjTg0Bwfsik4T1xd+rQv+IAak/fQG9WfWhUzMKwL8ygQ0fmG2Y8gcePlbVi9M1CQAbjmgs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A1GbqUhaWrivNk3J25o6ls0mywGFZoX8dk9agk3jM43IlD/KDu2HL9oNg4wbooWi3DdEDbDc/6koCSZAWPWHHDoOYwJ9pyHmcB8dOZKhzqVjXucZB2jO6yXQvufqgInU5dCcqbSyM7A6BfoEZuY0ifu1fcusnUOhuUfq9hnRCU0=; 8pDSZLjI5gKrQgStULtpdi0kZuPZUlo3BnkC8DHnc5GdVT3pLmv8ZjHKNJWn BWzhmqu4uSHYrGRepbnK2Hz42jvgmd7O7OJyPpTH6DHQlSPo8WWq6WxX0aAU LElkKwILNzjkUoAGyFva7jnTLE4qrM_6CxqoNaO5pDWUkPvO_sM26iypC5kC mw4_lJT.tNIKG4tQzo9w61F59KNIEAO7G2bjifCgiMslaV5cIchBdcx28wBj 6Xx.FMIdp4jnRIuTJVZKdw7Rm6cUzbW8Fv7ptD6ZGQieMvRqUcQJ4P9oO54V v1zP2SFam0twL5ZFDnZKVJLaZQdCeQ0lSoITIJ8pbQzbBzj.5YeQTiIgffmj tAd9sQNpmHRZEL2hXZyED8VAteKOCE17sfVmfzKY.UD.cw_SqunZr7enMvJb LuTgw0.eBSOAx5m2dhIafPtznreScEYqPZ6r8buqPjCpA3sOEomx2lEjBgFb SaHyY Received: from [90.199.100.136] by web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:12:44 GMT V2hlbiBJIHdvcmtlZCBhdCBCTUlIVCBzb21lIHllYXJzIGFnbywgYSBmaWxtIGNvbXBhbnkgcmVudGVkIHNvbWUgY2FycyBmcm9tIHRoZSByZXNlcnZlIGNvbGxlY3Rpb24gZm9yIGEgVFYgcHJvZHVjdGlvbi4gU2VlbXMgdGhlIGNhcnMgd2VyZSB0byBiZSB1c2VkIGRyaXZpbmcgYWxvbmcgYSBkaXN0YW50IHN0cmVldCBhdCByaWdodCBhbmdsZXMgdG8gdGhlIHNob290LgpBZnRlciB0aGUgdmVoaWNsZXMgY2FtZSBob21lIGFuZCB3ZXJlIGJlaW5nIGNsZWFuZWQgdXAsIHdlIG5vdGljZWQgdGhleSdkIGJlZW4BMAEBAQE- References: <1357168831.13455.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50E5AB7B.7040201@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:12:44 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Michael Marr , "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I worked at BMIHT some years ago, a film company rented some cars from the reserve collection for a TV production. Seems the cars were to be used driving along a distant street at right angles to the shoot. After the vehicles came home and were being cleaned up, we noticed they'd been repainted in an easy soluble water colour. Thing was, each car was painted in two different colours - one each side. As far as the cameras were concerned, this "doubled up" the cars going up and down the distant street. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Michael Marr To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman ; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 2:14 Subject: Re: [TR] Cars in movies & TV >Nope, you are not the only one, TerriAnn. If you look carefully at that scene you will see that the same selection of cars are seen on parked on different streets during the chase. They must have moved them around between takes. > >I just saw "The Bank Job" which has an excellent selection of 60s vintage British cars. And it was a pretty good movie. > >Mike > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:02 AM >To: >Subject: [TR] Cars in movies & TV > >> On 1/2/13 4:20 PM, John Macartney wrote: >>> Watched an excellent TV drama programme last night that had a great plot but >>> was badly let down by the cars used. Sometimes (though not often) researchers >>> really do screw things badly. >> That sort of thing spoils a movie or episode for me. There was an >> American TV series in the 1990's called JAG. In one episode one of the >> main characters "Harm" met his half brother for the first time in >> Chechnya during the**second Chechen war. There was a Russian army arms >> convoy driving Land Rover 101 trucks. That totally distracted me from >> the story line. I Never knew the Russian Army had Land Rovers in >> service. 101's seem to be a standard fill in whenever an American movie >> company needs Eastern European military cargo trucks. That's the one >> episode that really stands out in my memory. Just because of the >> Russian military Land Rovers. >> >> So am I the only one when watching the classic chase scene in the movie >> Bullet pays attention to all the cars parked along the streets of San >> Francisco just to see the then common, now uncommon cars parked along >> the streets? MGs, Triumphs big Healeys, all the VW bugs & 356 Porches. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 10:16:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E862640526 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:16:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235804040B for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:14:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id h16so16064235oag.19 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 09:11:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E37lBmwhMXaiedfcjskDXBql2D/vcK+yNVrhC9SAEak=; b=lfaSVOZI+1zqX0QdOS7qCMHPgrfzFpfx67bd8bi5oVAvmvF5GeessBWT8uSf3c4xSo 7pg7fMLGRh0wnU8TWAQutuuvTKlcvXrXN9sEHXu1t9YWUjpJS8gsxuIoSUhsz+hoKx9q DjAxTUkMAsE49AYjf41zEoMgPqOj/og0+pVTW2vvYDk8XWSjJACsSstXPLKo8WkbZSF+ 4UB2VABK7TAQhT7bSAH3DPEbLLI6f0FemJrQAfaly0pMmZ/7cRuTIwGPQpXbMPnF+eUJ I/jWUtLRp1dEoYdTPbl7Oy9HgCRbTTwQUaw2L+G+7PARbSm/Mh8QyY4MEGXL+9M4Kyl2 2onw== Received: by 10.60.32.50 with SMTP id f18mr31948635oei.8.1357405911021; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 09:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.136.197 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.136.197 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:11:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:11:50 -0500 From: Will Daehler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Badge Bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The new project begins. I just finished a serious upgrade to my Powder Blue TR4, by installing the worsted wool carpet kit that has been in the box since last spring. The job came out pretty well considering the special little challenges with grommets and snap rings. But now onto a more light hearted project: The badge bar. On eBay I won a TSOA badge and its successor, the VTR badge. Starting at Lowes, I bought a 24" chromium towel rod kit, and now just started playing with the hack saw. No pressure! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 10:18:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBFB40571 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:18:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C144041B for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id b13so17282570vby.19 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 09:15:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Xeqwe12HKfk4Fm97c1aZtEMgfqdyh4m3g9OITKpMODY=; b=GboslSjoqDAjM/4mSmnD5ONJBZADxSwEN0A/rEDeDhgiaARpQT87MUNvZd7l5bt18U 2OE9dan3WiREB/x1tapUS7dZKR0YsduJv/N5+RmMZH4GET3EDV6pq9Ybfh7yBb4CKTl0 i8ek3D2aSB6WoDCCdyHEYOl8B8F+lmAYENOJv+EPHwl2cWcrSHoYF5pEDr7epgJmvyUl BOdD/ujWc3BbMN2AE6Ml1+pl/4f2hGHTIVTWcLpK6kES/I1Vy+p5tZAm0uUN+laxRPCN JqoauRo/0EKhPuC/l+hMNc9qBX4sr9d1hh536M9D2/+PAScZVuqi+TuL7ARDjmspqEPf bHHg== Received: by 10.220.239.71 with SMTP id kv7mr77604531vcb.53.1357406149401; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 09:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.147.134 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:15:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:15:49 -0800 From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 into the workshop for a proper restoration. What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? Thanks in advance! -Malcolm '62 TR4 (CT10339L) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 12:10:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B32040E94 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:10:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A17C40355 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:08:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 19:06:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.5] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 19:06:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 19:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 41569 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2013 19:06:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357412767; bh=XyMPNoJutmIruyZs9eQrzgj5h2UnA2uF5TyDlNZ2ePs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rAD1b6Sz/vNvtoLckOy5PRZNMeAgD2+J7GVtJaN/R72+gZArVym4EFahi6ErQeR1NAnH5jkjTH2iKMsbt2KyFOdB14JgWA8dYnLZP1Zx/p+Z3oAD4cJQYe/NSv6lR4AMyYQi3mM/39W54nJj+CGtkK547qco2qyk2HP5eR8vxks= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qM+PN3lBC+mFL7HD9THsAAXC4sTCSNuN73XesFSlk0kBA7LRZaJ+Tw9P169sca8EvOPuwNRLuzDqEkdOKjPOuBcYuXuPHKvYV6FU0UaNO7aaKC2ApH4PbAzBhqZSeWsUUxu6VGR+X6Tv8l7A2FrJy4miSLEHlXBNrk08H+VF0cg=; gNiZXCyVQEiUUa1PskTojQhvdxX3Pnv8JxyNCEec5M...vgutOEI7eHnP4hI UVfPdfIpvOW2WdqNq02RHauTGT10T1QehgCid6EtIUZvrlSZhPX4pHxFO8BL oECvCUGljMPxFUX7wJja0ROullAYwLWdXh93J2HAT99LBGh5zECfGglnw1Vz qvcm63Vb.DDWPtKQmHUyrnh0taf0ApEc7Qx5h2sFNo2zkwl3ZDpeguTegFF3 qt4ZW1I1pWNtqW097jQy5YT0fWSl_sGKz266DIxlDwooSGuMMd9ecFIgJaEF QMw3ZtvJBJXNKiQFApWoGd8AWKQ_iEn6d7vjGp6u2GcYPGFWfxLoRBmLtanA XP6Z1UeVHu2EwCmOXOdF0qT1.7IUqjXsKeoWZKnrg_VOmitZ71_xaaAjcpEl xDIMR6akch8JeV0nzfOqHjtAEKqQspsCj8k5vRsSEPxKh_NndVPH3.TcjaLh ie9ZXCFqlCr3OFC9xrtI- Received: from [98.112.193.78] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:06:07 PST cHJvdmlkZWQgdGhleSBhcmUgbm90IGJhcmUgbWV0YWwsIGp1c3QgbGVhdmUgdGhlbSBhbG9uZS4KaWYgYmFyZSBtZXRhbCBoYXZlIGEgYm9keSBzaG9wIHNob290IGEgY29hdCBvZiBlcG94eSBwcmltZXIgb24gdGhlbS4KZG9uJ3Qgd3JhcCB0aGVtIGluIHBvbHkgYmFncy4gdGhlIG1vaXN0dXJlIGluIHRoZSBhaXIgd2lsbCBjb25kZW5zZSBhbmQgZXZhcG9yYXRlIG1hbnkgdGltZXMgYW5kIGxlYWQgdG8gcnVzdCBwcm9ibGVtcy4gYnV0IGV2ZW4gdGhlbiBpdCB3aWxsIG5vdCBiZSBzZXZlcmUgcm90LgrCoEYBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Malcolm , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net provided they are not bare metal, just leave them alone. if bare metal have a body shop shoot a coat of epoxy primer on them. don't wrap them in poly bags. the moisture in the air will condense and evaporate many times and lead to rust problems. but even then it will not be severe rot. Frank ________________________________ From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Hi List, I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 into the workshop for a proper restoration. What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? Thanks in advance! -Malcolm '62 TR4 (CT10339L) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 12:22:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B160540408 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:22:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC58403FD for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:21:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8b84b.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.184.75]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MG600F4H2ZWDKC0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:22:57 -0500 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had a set of new fenders for my TR6 for more than 10 years now. I've had them outside for a year, inside for most of that time. Cover them so they stay dry and dust free, and you should have no problems unless they're bare metal. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/5/2013 12:15 PM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the > late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, > they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our > house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 > into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, > grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Malcolm > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 13:23:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E51040E6A for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 13:23:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95304041B for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 13:16:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 20:13:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.116] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 20:13:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 20:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 80480 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2013 20:13:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357416802; bh=n1uXmu/QkAcnDP26so82qCn0jlwbMn35TvWf6oT4z0k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I2HS56MSYUs3H7rGGxuqZvbJi7eS6B8rHoDW86t36XdkpxpChRVPilGI3UHSNx7TkzVdyC7E+nZp8FsttpWaWQbS/Li7D1euLngxxL/xFairJ2OMuOIGUyaI7vI7Zq3f13utqoyvQnaMppuWPrBfShDjj8LVrCugmP4DZ71xT0o= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TK0KPx4FiDmfU8SdAxHhpyfm19/KZHYIbviv8pFBTkR83CmsA5rx25EPiEvRcQHHLFWI9KIt547iBb9oPxfT1SXfJ/HbsNsgPt8Qy3sYruVUdhA6QtyFwoNwCsI8xWzPbrtB9nFX1D07q9PAEYVmD+JzaykCmWJ5YmDDbsA6zNc=; 8cs1bHjhQKTEYN7hDm6EtxeAzKXEWzm3m5vo8yREK6Q07F2MdFBtTGmi8weJ 5KI7IieDKyHjpXhdAUBGkgkiCj2_731dTFwrs4KTrfQo5DvEL55XTrwwIxKj QxGo00tHNQ7XRSZy_kxCW1s.NNVf4Gf5d9L9TSeCxTXaAgRE.RmuAV7UbKeS Mks0D8on3VyJ5WIWuiYMZRmMD_EduJQiozUnIwBDI7llu5xB6oXnDP6KYQTm UbXGXA.HZ9AzUHvzOW7I7U0xOn7iRbFxYJ9Ry_BPEI9Drx0ADYSg5bSSoNgh W8zRaaSndWle0VsE49B5GBifbI0SPbDc97vvL8smeM1afpPnctyk8LmPJPki EK8j6Rlg7AYNFsbSkPJoab03eW9QfaoYgtWJSqLyOMO8g4Cpq_JcELTK14ah kyImBHDaldkAdS8a76HIJUhjzujor3Xs3QOGRTUUaznKnXvj6urpWmKTbdjh ZGurGGN3Tktf1KZsPBUcIMOS7Fk3bQiGKd9fQ0sRpykFSkPVwKEACCEvsYcH hVnJ02zebbv66grR5jq8BxQ-- Received: from [68.249.98.56] by web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:13:22 PST SSBoYWQgdGhhdCBwcm9ibGVtIHNldmVyYWwgeWVhcnMgYWdvLiBJIHdlbnQgdG8gYSBib2R5IHNob3Agc3VwcGx5IHN0b3JlIGFuZCBjb3VnaHQgYSBzcHJheSBjYW4gb2YgcHJpbWVyLgpUaGV5IHNhaWQgaXQgd291bGQgYmUgT0sgZm9yIHRoZSB0eXBlIG9mIHBhaW50IEkgaW50ZW5kZWQgdG8gdXNlLiBZb3UgbWlnaHQgc2VlIGlmIHRoZXkgY2FuIHByb3ZpZGUgeW91IAp3aXRoIHNvbWUgdGhhdCB3aWxsIHdvcmsgZm9yIHlvdSwKCkpvaG4gWW91bmcgTkFTUyMgNTI4CkluZGlhbmEKJzc4IFNwaXRmaXJlCicBMAEBAQE- References: <50E87D91.9000405@key-men.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: John Young To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had that problem several years ago. I went to a body shop supply store and cought a spray can of primer. They said it would be OK for the type of paint I intended to use. You might see if they can provide you with some that will work for you, John Young NASS# 528 Indiana '78 Spitfire '66 Spitfire '59 TR3A (being repaired after 37 yrs ownership) ________________________________ From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) I've had a set of new fenders for my TR6 for more than 10 years now. I've had them outside for a year, inside for most of that time. Cover them so they stay dry and dust free, and you should have no problems unless they're bare metal. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/5/2013 12:15 PM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the > late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, > they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our > house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 > into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, > grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Malcolm > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeyoung_2@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 14:13:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9177640646 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 14:13:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73845403F2 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 14:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130105211026.ZRXM19285.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 16:10:26 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id kMAS1k0054qRjhw01MASBe; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 16:10:26 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=zW9TOYpD464A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=87nR9YBviHQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=VPAXH-zgAAAA:8 a=W0JzDJ9_3L7meSpgSR8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=-2MSTO_O9ygA:10 a=2lcpo2P6Sj0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=oSRHy6xNUb4MAI9t:21 a=FCSEls4BHgwNj5CA:21 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'George Richardson'" , References: <50E87D91.9000405@key-men.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 14:10:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac3reaJKG9gxLl5BTg24nRoLuk8u+wAD2DhQ Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And if they are bare metal, priming with regular primer won't do much good. Use a good urethane primer which resists moisture. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Richardson Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 12:23 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) I've had a set of new fenders for my TR6 for more than 10 years now. I've had them outside for a year, inside for most of that time. Cover them so they stay dry and dust free, and you should have no problems unless they're bare metal. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/5/2013 12:15 PM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the > late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, > they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our > house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 > into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, > grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Malcolm > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 5 16:26:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3BC4044F for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 16:26:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE39740415 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 16:21:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 23:18:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.46] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 23:18:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 23:18:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357427906; bh=dCGidJ/4qOR0dCtwJIspQGj3oecibGzQvWL769fcYWA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Og85DKxF0vaS8gmZ6sbfWHCFWNDBEb7jR6alZYQUYfRMaaPK0I1fNXmNzqxHX5NElPnlJyHbdmou8RdOrpBZD41UI80CvEYDyujwuEX9d23cLqrUCGMVbAMBbdSlZgc3yLaPNymtY1OELyi0QPUMTJszasPYdCkK5Fqy9fOxoqw= ejRFJv2_I7Bn61.QxnJONJ30U3v5IsSjQRTyJqbLqdHlfxLRogtdsbkLnHL0 hw7KTcY1O8fLW2yqS0hvq8Z0uQ.Uu_L1HgUt4sXUIB.XlcnixPIDW.v50tpv mlrlokJ1Z1cgdrXOTSbyHSj8GVCF7FRpuxHxAROOy6nqIIucQ2.oL9ce9USW iyyaKZBrA.fpLiB93xIyf6EdL2Ee6_6T_5dG6AI0qtoy_OpdM7e4gB9kOMM5 Rd5wdAtqRvCJ6ck27Pv_i6gzhnLUZSi6Jm9Ljnrh91AiyD0iqZb1gAqvzQOo 7436jQN8IjdnUL82zblycaS93w9COzb0rIc0xrchBcQbWx6XWlvH8EqGXJIE OWJZaAZtsLVD96pu.GEJCX1Qlx7P3TfdUsIeKcQUGCW65WpQFWsX43AEziil j8WF89PD.B_Ih09IGkxOO9LdcdVFoMhi_qwKgEgQ3LhBxc_bvWet1Fvbc2vD YRvdokBkZjLnoSWOu9at4Ai96UXXqrLfbKnD153tqy8e.c9kgkCiTVL1Uuyl WmP6vPEZgsHlQnJ451s4R5sVy2w-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jan 2013 15:18:26 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Malcolm'" , References: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:18:24 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3raGBlq9LM1y6/S5+X2uCuDF9dfAAMb2gg Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Go to your local automotive paint store and get a quart of 'Etch Primer", this will protect it until you are ready. Then you can sand it, prime it, paint it when you are ready. I like the Nason brand but there are others. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:16 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Hi List, I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 into the workshop for a proper restoration. What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? Thanks in advance! -Malcolm '62 TR4 (CT10339L) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 04:00:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030584248E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 04:00:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F0D4227E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 03:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id e13so21921630iej.32 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:56:16 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=DNoyGoC2JVRWxbbuNRQbAiZoHDwguiGEnVgMQ1NhntE=; b=YAi6EkzaDzmrtNV6498copaG616ir2Wf1EqKJlPpSTjUEdTLTCQRYVnCL+cPpo76yR soGnXgpHZ54t9SN0FXK50V8VQQt2dADabQghKfVGPGWT1KgbRm1AVoL9xFjVsakPSswJ x9C3EF9oUgl0xfSAdePKxjfWDOfgL7KRr+lii0hRILJysW2MLskHr6PUqmNWzz8hEjXV tYgGqYUTzbj2zBXqolZmENjjFMzrxq4T7w4sN6jiIAECmQDmJceFwQyAIX5WEFekG7pc FaP0Mmkma1SyH5b27E+heEkcuAyC+sxnzwzU4uqha7M02abgCgwazqtQWsIdoo8bewkY o3fQ== ep3mr2914930igc.107.1357469775829; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.25.198 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 02:56:15 -0800 (PST) References: <790899568D944ADA970128A767850F4C@bboffice> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:56:15 +0000 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bare metaled my front wings (fenders) by sandblasting 10 years ago. Then I sprayed them immediately with a high concentrate zinc primer the kind they use on ocean based oil rigs to stop rust. They have been stored in my unheated garage since, awaiting the day I finally get the car together, no detectable rust. I live in Wales UK which has a very damp climate winter and summer. Zinc primer works for me. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK. On 5 January 2013 23:18, Wbeech wrote: > Go to your local automotive paint store and get a quart of 'Etch Primer", > this will protect it until you are ready. Then you can sand it, prime it, > paint it when you are ready. I like the Nason brand but there are others. > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" > M.Andretti > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:16 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) > > Hi List, > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from the > late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. However, > they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the attic of our > house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how to get the TR4 > into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? Oil, > grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Malcolm > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 05:17:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B036F40E1E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 05:17:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2D940695 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 05:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.101.67]) by m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id kcCM1k0021TEvT201cCMPz; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:12:22 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'ADRIAN DIX-DYER'" , "'Wbeech'" References: <790899568D944ADA970128A767850F4C@bboffice> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 07:12:00 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFSo2QqWqSED/0+JavmvDIK9yUgyAGqoWK1Ap+jSmCZEHQaUA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Eastwood sells a product called "After Blast" which can be wiped on with a cloth. Lasts indefinitely. Quick scuff with a DA and you are ready to start bodywork and/or prime. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ADRIAN DIX-DYER Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:56 AM To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) I bare metaled my front wings (fenders) by sandblasting 10 years ago. Then I sprayed them immediately with a high concentrate zinc primer the kind they use on ocean based oil rigs to stop rust. They have been stored in my unheated garage since, awaiting the day I finally get the car together, no detectable rust. I live in Wales UK which has a very damp climate winter and summer. Zinc primer works for me. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK. On 5 January 2013 23:18, Wbeech wrote: > Go to your local automotive paint store and get a quart of 'Etch > Primer", this will protect it until you are ready. Then you can sand > it, prime it, paint it when you are ready. I like the Nason brand but there are others. > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" > M.Andretti > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:16 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) > > Hi List, > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from > the late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. > However, they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the > attic of our house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how > to get the TR4 into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? > Oil, grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Malcolm > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 05:18:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3E9424C5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 05:18:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F94240695 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 05:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.101.67]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id kcD71k0051TEvT201cD8eJ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:13:10 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'ADRIAN DIX-DYER'" , "'Wbeech'" References: <790899568D944ADA970128A767850F4C@bboffice> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 07:13:06 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFSo2QqWqSED/0+JavmvDIK9yUgyAGqoWK1Ap+jSmCZEHScIA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ten years ago? We'll put you down as a type B......................... :-) Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ADRIAN DIX-DYER Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:56 AM To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) I bare metaled my front wings (fenders) by sandblasting 10 years ago. Then I sprayed them immediately with a high concentrate zinc primer the kind they use on ocean based oil rigs to stop rust. They have been stored in my unheated garage since, awaiting the day I finally get the car together, no detectable rust. I live in Wales UK which has a very damp climate winter and summer. Zinc primer works for me. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK. On 5 January 2013 23:18, Wbeech wrote: > Go to your local automotive paint store and get a quart of 'Etch > Primer", this will protect it until you are ready. Then you can sand > it, prime it, paint it when you are ready. I like the Nason brand but there are others. > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" > M.Andretti > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:16 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) > > Hi List, > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from > the late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. > However, they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the > attic of our house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how > to get the TR4 into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? > Oil, grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Malcolm > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 08:27:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CFE40645 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:27:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5132B403EC for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 17C121C000120; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B992FE000087; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:24:22 -0500 (EST) References: <790899568D944ADA970128A767850F4C@bboffice> <000101cdec07$31988de0$94c9a9a0$@uprichard.net> To: auprichard@uprichard.net, dixie4.wales@virgin.net, wbeech@flash.net Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:24:22 -0500 From: Dave Massey Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:24:22 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357485863; bh=lfpdJhCvKdm/SGKBAT0BSNGM8WAdu3g/y/AU1bNLM4o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qxwntCeg0Qirpc305FV6e3C+yQv5CR/+UvP3LVmBjFWLleZCuPPyQMUy6IFvv0kDn 4GiChRrdG362NAPswEP4SrrH1H/rSAW8n1FYndvzh+KE/remaQ3cpjKpEkKZqNQaeU xn2AMgP1lvFjeFD216PB8msRT/tnM6ptHtgaqx5U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c50e99726333e Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hah! That's nothing! In 1990 I bought a used engine to run in the TR6 whilst I rebuilt its original engine. That used engine is still in there. Some day I'll get a round tuit. Iechyd da ! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Uprichard Ten years ago? We'll put you down as a type B......................... :-) Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bare metaled my front wings (fenders) by sandblasting 10 years ago. Then I sprayed them immediately with a high concentrate zinc primer the kind they use on ocean based oil rigs to stop rust. They have been stored in my unheated garage since, awaiting the day I finally get the car together, no detectable rust. I live in Wales UK which has a very damp climate winter and summer. Zinc primer works for me. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 09:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD06E40E92 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:22:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25DD4068F for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:22:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-760.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.242.248] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Trswi-0007cw-4n; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:19:36 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:19:35 -0500 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper over rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 (originally from California). It does not have the support tubes. When I discussed this with the owners of the business where I purchased the car, they advised me that none of the TR4s that have ever passed through their hands have ever had the support tubes. Most of their cars have come from California. When I look at TR4 pictures on the various owner, club, and registry sites, the photos often do not reveal the presence or absence of the support tubes because either the over riders block the view or the colour/reflection in the area of the over rider make it unclear. Of those pictures where it is clear, the majority do not have the support tubes but many do. Do any of you original owners have information on whether these were included or if there was a cut off date for supplying them? Clearly they were intended as there are holes through the grille for them and a welded nut on the over rider for attachment but were they perhaps dropped to save a few dollars? Maybe John has a "factory anecdote" about them. TIA for your input Keith R. Stewart London, Ontario E-Mail: keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 09:42:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8D4068F for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:42:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798DB403E2 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (MST) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=0wiOde9d68gA:10 a=M5mx9oj5fjkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=7WBDEB9hTNMA:10 a=IRtNYPIITKnlz2LgKOcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=G3UhkIHK-Noyt6dn:21 a=vW2APIzTddDYUaXB:21 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:45461] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6D/16-16644-DA8A9E05; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:39:09 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:39:14 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: Keith Stewart References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Keith, My matching numbers 63 came with the tubes when I picked it up over 8 years ago. Maybe some owners removed them? Not sure why. Maybe accident damage? You are correct about the welded nut. Why have the nut if it wasn't going to be used? I am not sure about the 4A, since their over-riders are different. Maybe that is what the dealer was referring to? I looked in the parts manual and the part numbers are: 611971 and 611970 Listed as Tube, front overider to front wheel arch. Bob On 01/06/2013 11:19 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper over > rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 (originally > from California). It does not have the support tubes. > > When I discussed this with the owners of the business where I purchased the > car, they advised me that none of the TR4s that have ever passed through their > hands have ever had the support tubes. Most of their cars have come from > California. > > When I look at TR4 pictures on the various owner, club, and registry sites, > the photos often do not reveal the presence or absence of the support tubes > because either the over riders block the view or the colour/reflection in the > area of the over rider make it unclear. Of those pictures where it is clear, > the majority do not have the support tubes but many do. > > Do any of you original owners have information on whether these were included > or if there was a cut off date for supplying them? Clearly they were intended > as there are holes through the grille for them and a welded nut on the over > rider for attachment but were they perhaps dropped to save a few dollars? > Maybe John has a "factory anecdote" about them. TIA for your input > > > Keith R. Stewart > London, Ontario > E-Mail: keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 09:48:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEA4424C5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:48:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55368403E6 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fs13so13038063lab.23 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:45:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=k/gv9srSExfSJX+2r8314y+pXoR1wXCOhpARM+P1YNc=; b=BS5ECezoJFHJjLte2mfCdM7MW6gkHzYaYAQG3UmxkBdy6OeVld0COuXb4U6SfPBq8g F8Tu2vaRZUMaw+ue0XwlXWVKe1t+rtuSKNyJ7PuTih5pe9RxLU0NL3iELlkVrle7fi3B ctl1vJvwRI6AnXtbNgWzAM3Ec3qHeqTnqCRBQjiS2JM1oOVCvJdNFwYjudvKnuGgnD+Y LyxlGwEsqQ6AeZXC3Kn0adO+FuYKFohmu+repjPRUSwnvoxLX0bPPtzjbbr/2ZbNdDHQ eQJ16VWGh2OjL7mNESYvbhcU9K63h1+xP+6yJrzEhgxlB2feNq+q8Tu1Da9CrTPU5lQV radg== Received: by 10.112.85.35 with SMTP id e3mr22361261lbz.106.1357490744485; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:45:44 -0800 (PST) References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:45:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Keith Stewart Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Keith -- My late '64 TR4 is quite original and has the supports. That car was despatched to California then on to Hawaii. Since they are black (not chrome as on the TR3) they may be hard to see in some B&W photos. I think it unlikely that any TR4s were produced intentionally omitting these. Geo On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper over > rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 > (originally > from California). It does not have the support tubes. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 10:08:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617D1424D6 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:08:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59DF424D1 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-760.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.242.248] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TrtcJ-0002rN-BY; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:02:36 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:02:34 -0500 References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> <50E9A8B2.8060609@adelphia.net> To: Bob Labuz Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net True, that anything other than minor front end damage would likely break or crumple the support tube. I have them on CT6716LO, I have seen them in the SPC, TRF and Moss both list them, and I have seen them in other pictures. So, I do not have much doubt they exist. My main questions are to see if there are original owners whose cars did not come with them or if there was a point at which they were discontinued - or even if was an item that was sometimes left off a new vehicle at the factory. Thanks for your feedback. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-01-06, at 11:39 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Keith, > > My matching numbers 63 came with the tubes when I picked it up over 8 years ago. Maybe some owners removed them? Not sure why. Maybe accident damage? > > You are correct about the welded nut. Why have the nut if it wasn't going to be used? > I am not sure about the 4A, since their over-riders are different. Maybe that is what the dealer was referring to? > > I looked in the parts manual and the part numbers are: > > 611971 and 611970 Listed as Tube, front overider to front wheel arch. > > Bob > > On 01/06/2013 11:19 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: >> I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper over >> rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 (originally >> from California). It does not have the support tubes. >> >> When I discussed this with the owners of the business where I purchased the >> car, they advised me that none of the TR4s that have ever passed through their >> hands have ever had the support tubes. Most of their cars have come from >> California. >> >> When I look at TR4 pictures on the various owner, club, and registry sites, >> the photos often do not reveal the presence or absence of the support tubes >> because either the over riders block the view or the colour/reflection in the >> area of the over rider make it unclear. Of those pictures where it is clear, >> the majority do not have the support tubes but many do. >> >> Do any of you original owners have information on whether these were included >> or if there was a cut off date for supplying them? Clearly they were intended >> as there are holes through the grille for them and a welded nut on the over >> rider for attachment but were they perhaps dropped to save a few dollars? >> Maybe John has a "factory anecdote" about them. TIA for your input >> >> >> Keith R. Stewart >> London, Ontario >> E-Mail: keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 10:13:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914D342551 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:13:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7419F424D1 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:13:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-760.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.242.248] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Trtjz-0004lW-Sd; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:10:32 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:10:30 -0500 References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> To: Geo Hahn Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So that is two others, besides myself with the support tubes. If I understand correctly, George says his are black (from the factory). What about Bob's? Mine are body colour (signal red) and I do not remember having them painted - but, it has been 46 1/2 years. :-) Maybe they were black and on the repaint many years ago perhaps they were removed and repainted. If they were all black - which makes sense for a part that is attached after the body was painted at the factory, what about the supports from the bracket on the inner wheel arch to the top of the valance? One might expect those to be black as well and mine are also body colour. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-01-06, at 11:45 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Keith -- > > My late '64 TR4 is quite original and has the supports. That car was despatched to California then on to Hawaii. > > Since they are black (not chrome as on the TR3) they may be hard to see in some B&W photos. > > I think it unlikely that any TR4s were produced intentionally omitting these. > > Geo > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper over > rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 (originally > from California). It does not have the support tubes. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 10:24:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988C842568 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:24:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445A1403C8 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fn20so13239594lab.40 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:19:31 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YrCOC725wlmyP6KfPWKk+n/cnY7FCyC+ZHlwB1tqkS4=; b=enqfg5IzMoJa1fes7d8nRvuFDoMJfWddOAYz0E3N0glVIwXKW4o4GUb3fdnkGPVIL1 enQgITFw1qPQLuqgA1Ko1x+vWtJTSNuh4O3i2xI49uq48znW63gGiFcTR23nCe+ItW8G oP15Tbz1xShbjEXI+7hqIS36AMxi2qoA0+5hT1UZvHmbrbjweyUHsXE9Cx/R17GlCOG2 kZ49KvtNU2q85KnKX+980fMANlVcuQMZ6GquLxD3/uW+eGeHZhx+UD9Z5P+HahZibL5R YKUAPqpQBAqY9vwOUAKst1zoSgNdWQfa9RGMNgNdN4I4hkmH430mXdkG5/BB4A+khmeJ Gr1g== Received: by 10.152.124.68 with SMTP id mg4mr54589953lab.51.1357492771038; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:19:30 -0800 (PST) References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:19:30 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Keith Stewart Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > ... what about the supports from the bracket on the inner wheel arch to > the top of the valance? One might expect those to be black as well and mine > are also body colour... > Those are body color on mine (including the bolt heads). The car has its original paint. Looks like those supports were bolted in place prior to the body being painted, then the front bolt was undone to fit the tab on the grille and rebolted. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 10:34:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2998E42582 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:34:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18E4253E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail219-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.245) by VA3EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.7.40.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:44 +0000 Received: from mail219-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail219-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB276000E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:44 +0000 (UTC) H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail219-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail219-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1357493502630798_4800; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.238]) by mail219-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A637E0168 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by VA3EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.7.99.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:42 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id D232668005 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A042EBCE62A; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:31:41 +0000 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub1.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.14]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA5F68005 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:31:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub1.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.14]) with mapi; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:30:49 +0000 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:25:54 +0000 Thread-Topic: Hardtop drip channels Thread-Index: AQHN7DORwzP3IfS1Vk+9bHzJUMcvAg== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-IE acceptlanguage: en-US VDF=10.130.61) Subject: [TR] Hardtop drip channels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody know a source of the two drip channels for the TR2/3 hardtop, either re manufacture or used. I had a very bad day yesterday when I decided the best way to remove the paint the DPO had applied to them was using an alkaline stripper solution as I was afraid of scratching the surface using mechanical methods. This etched DEEP into the aluminum rendering them useless. DAMM! Regards John John Gillis Senior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 11:42:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41C042592 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:42:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFE54258C for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:38:42 -0700 (MST) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=0wiOde9d68gA:10 a=M5mx9oj5fjkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=7WBDEB9hTNMA:10 a=rlVDi6EfAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=aYeC6Zg7IcbTV36dJxQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=E7PT11WpW6AA:10 a=BE9Fo7jwCqAA:10 a=E4-7iM-y6ZsA:10 a=OzOkUxcCGUcA:10 a=q9mC2fbAJx8A:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:46064] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0C/81-05345-504C9E05; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:35:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:35:54 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: Keith Stewart References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Keith, The ones that came with my 63 were painted silver. So I cleaned them up and repainted them silver. My 63 is SPA white. Bob On 01/06/2013 12:10 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > So that is two others, besides myself with the support tubes. If I understand > correctly, George says his are black (from the factory). What about Bob's? > Mine are body colour (signal red) and I do not remember having them painted - > but, it has been 46 1/2 years. > :-) > Maybe they were black and on the repaint many years ago perhaps they were > removed and repainted. If they were all black - which makes sense for a part > that is attached after the body was painted at the factory, what about the > supports from the bracket on the inner wheel arch to the top of the valance? > One might expect those to be black as well and mine are also body colour. > > Keith R. Stewart > 75 Camden Road > London, Ontario > N5X 2K2 > Home: (519) 660-1916 > E-Mail: keithstewart@execulink.com > > > > > > On 2013-01-06, at 11:45 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > >> Keith -- >> >> My late '64 TR4 is quite original and has the supports. That car was > despatched to California then on to Hawaii. >> Since they are black (not chrome as on the TR3) they may be hard to see in > some B&W photos. >> I think it unlikely that any TR4s were produced intentionally omitting > these. >> Geo >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Keith Stewart > wrote: >> I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper over >> rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 > (originally >> from California). It does not have the support tubes. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 12:46:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4C3427B2 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:46:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C511A406B6 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2013 19:43:08 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2013 19:43:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2013 19:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 34966 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2013 19:43:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357501388; bh=AtLbW4grO+8cB4t36GYwKAC7bC3v0KR9JZgb7ulLXvs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5zc17AqFsUIX9e0W/0p7ulMivxfCEujFgf3Uyx8lfvkh0PUaZRfeJTzlLWIBdSVBDA1soZh/OhM9X3F/m39bd2PKFXman4WgXkdcopzNM0EfL0vGhfjrqQrrk0bzs6nxJSK/INv+X3zJS36ilCW2ZW4BXV23PXS/J/uOH06Kogk= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jpqivsrtKoFDmEw9LoCJRnxzGeWuXvsTjmRBrzFMfCDGUaC63bvHCgOvWXGAYRH1FM3uhTeB0ITqVD4XlfpGHY05zZPDKXHSKGCiRVeKleeZo/75tszctg2qSATx+u7TZvMZ+OZ0h58IkZ6dx5Gmg5py2fS3QJ1etCxbsGNaE0s=; i45Sn0hZpe79s44qPx4npSGZ9OlvqCXSTwQg3pXayCxxftYbspV1LzCGdnmE Q6JwhUxXJ72xrKCcoaTL0bi_acYbagvY46dONjm8pfszKitHJSHLMtqPIIPc Zlgfsh0dtj0Pst7FnXL6u8PF3p4ZYLrUU2aRYvNK1urFi3xaF1Q0iOU8eg8V _INQurGmW1pnc0.BEWtehjpsgqPb7PAGPxEnYzrjR.JhEmpLwFm1Ra9IagUX iRhIVQEVyIifxSJVha0wUdXTylI71zafLratr3WFwnY2rt97bsqpxyOoAM1. hzE3i1RTrfBPR9I8sKrefXbS69NBx68X1vFXxDXFjByAbV3pE_FwrFzBXxvQ 6F5cWdA92ZWaHaU5ZM5lJv0GOFMb.MdSVho37gwyBXuFBzMU3YVcCpzS8mUQ RWVnuHbW2jS2hJdcNXtHLgW3hbcFMjOXsKLWigJ7DB0tg0wh0r0M2QUXWk0H iMknDbyHmgUpI Received: from [108.220.118.28] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:43:07 PST SGkgSm9obiwKwqDCoMKgwqAgSWYgeW91IGZpbmQgYSBzb3VyY2UsIGJlIHN1cmUgdG8gcG9zdCBpdCB0byB0aGUgbGlzdC4KwqDCoMKgwqAgSSBoYXZlIGFuIG9yaWdpbmFsIGhhcmR0b3AuIE15IGRyaXAgcmFpbHMgYXJlIHN0aWxsIHVzYWJsZSwgYnV0IHRoZSBjb3JuZXJzIG9mIHRoZSBkcmlwIHJhaWxzIHNlZW0gdG8gaGF2ZSBkaXNzb2x2ZWQgZHVlIHRvIHNvbWUgc29ydCBvZiBjYXRob2RpYyByZWFjdGlvbi4gSSBoYXZlIGNvbnNpZGVyZWQgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIG1ha2UgYSB0b29sIChtYW5kcmVsKSBhbmQBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Hardtop drip channels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John, If you find a source, be sure to post it to the list. I have an original hardtop. My drip rails are still usable, but the corners of the drip rails seem to have dissolved due to some sort of cathodic reaction. I have considered trying to make a tool (mandrel) and re-manufacture them myself out of aluminum or stainless steel. Probably won't be happening anytime soon though. -Bill in Tehachapi Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:25:54 +0000 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Hardtop drip channels Message-ID: Does anybody know a source of the two drip channels for the TR2/3 hardtop, either re manufacture or used. I had a very bad day yesterday when I decided the best way to remove the paint the DPO had applied to them was using an alkaline stripper solution as I was afraid of scratching the surface using mechanical methods. This etched DEEP into the aluminum rendering them useless. DAMM! Regards John John Gillis Senior Conservator ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 13:23:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127C4427C0 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:23:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33786425C2 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id e13so22224061iej.4 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:20:46 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=w0GXtVpDC/NmvbvJfKm2I+oQd2eRuk/nARukFyLWQP8=; b=EH5thQFzG0wD9vQrXHCiIbW3TXm0p9QebCs5znP460GNSD2CsxnEikRN4btmhp1Qof iE1R7vl1lMtJzgeUOahZlzZtvPkX7yYmti88MedypNhuJDvIMTs5RfAajAoad08djbfS SmEy5pqDB1JZ/nJ9CJ+dLfq4jF08/fjc7dF4sgPhTlr10PfYr5JKCUHTHWi5bKf46n66 VLN8J8NLe7iIWHDz/NozBGAZZqQdkb4qTyqqkQFiJxRz0IfVhUMTR49HdhEZOYxjxgYs kuSmnOkfigL06CcI7qjNtMFTEpYCEVM52yAe5cadlt48UWg1oKoqtNHh7yjFT8MnuCAC 8v0w== Received: by 10.50.151.241 with SMTP id ut17mr3796817igb.107.1357503646293; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.25.198 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:20:45 -0800 (PST) References: <790899568D944ADA970128A767850F4C@bboffice> <000101cdec07$31988de0$94c9a9a0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 20:20:45 +0000 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Type B.....mmm. Selling my business and cancer got in the way of the restoration started ten years ago. All systems go now. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O On 6 January 2013 12:13, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Ten years ago? We'll put you down as a type B......................... > :-) > > Andrew Uprichard > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ADRIAN DIX-DYER > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:56 AM > To: Wbeech > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) > > I bare metaled my front wings (fenders) by sandblasting 10 years ago. Then > I > sprayed them immediately with a high concentrate zinc primer the kind they > use on ocean based oil rigs to stop rust. > They have been stored in my unheated garage since, awaiting the day I > finally get the car together, no detectable rust. > I live in Wales UK which has a very damp climate winter and summer. > Zinc primer works for me. > Adrian TR4A CT64306 O > Wales UK. > > On 5 January 2013 23:18, Wbeech wrote: > > > Go to your local automotive paint store and get a quart of 'Etch > > Primer", this will protect it until you are ready. Then you can sand > > it, prime it, paint it when you are ready. I like the Nason brand but > there are others. > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Beecher > > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too > slow" > > M.Andretti > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm > > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:16 AM > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Subject: [TR] Storing sheet metal (fenders) > > > > Hi List, > > > > I've been lurking for a while now - some of you may remember me from > > the late '90s. Life has interrupted but I still have my TR4. > > > > I now also have the opportunity to buy a pair of rear fenders. > > However, they would have to be stored in my (unheated) workshop or the > > attic of our house, for a few months to a year, while I figure out how > > to get the TR4 into the workshop for a proper restoration. > > > > What do people recommend for treating the sheet metal for storage? > > Oil, grease, waxed paper, really big ziploc bags? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > -Malcolm > > '62 TR4 (CT10339L) > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 13:29:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2054425C5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:29:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA51425C5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:26:01 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sCmguHyNNcquzrSUdQTwzfjMW+yqHxBAKk0VtsiqjV3I7+IeGQg+218cevXaxp/O; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.0.247.225] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TrwkC-0003Uc-Kd; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:22:57 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Bob Labuz" , "Keith Stewart" References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> <50E9C40A.7030208@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:22:59 -0700 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently stripped the stay rods (wheel arch to valance) on my TR4A and found original body color. In these case of these two, they were not painted well - I sanded several paint drips from off the bottom edge. Its likely that they were painted on the car and with not much paint along the bottom except for the runs. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Bob Labuz Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:35 AM To: Keith Stewart Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Keith, The ones that came with my 63 were painted silver. So I cleaned them up and repainted them silver. My 63 is SPA white. Bob On 01/06/2013 12:10 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > So that is two others, besides myself with the support tubes. If I > understand > correctly, George says his are black (from the factory). What about Bob's? > Mine are body colour (signal red) and I do not remember having them > painted - > but, it has been 46 1/2 years. > :-) > Maybe they were black and on the repaint many years ago perhaps they were > removed and repainted. If they were all black - which makes sense for a > part > that is attached after the body was painted at the factory, what about the > supports from the bracket on the inner wheel arch to the top of the > valance? > One might expect those to be black as well and mine are also body colour. > > Keith R. Stewart > 75 Camden Road > London, Ontario > N5X 2K2 > Home: (519) 660-1916 > E-Mail: keithstewart@execulink.com > > > > > > On 2013-01-06, at 11:45 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > >> Keith -- >> >> My late '64 TR4 is quite original and has the supports. That car was > despatched to California then on to Hawaii. >> Since they are black (not chrome as on the TR3) they may be hard to see >> in > some B&W photos. >> I think it unlikely that any TR4s were produced intentionally omitting > these. >> Geo >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Keith Stewart >> > wrote: >> I have a 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO). I bought the car in 1966. It has bumper >> over >> rider support tubes. I just purchased another fully restored TR4 > (originally >> from California). It does not have the support tubes. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 14:32:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D1A42823 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:32:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1128427FC for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:31:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (97-116-157-3.mpls.qwest.net [97.116.157.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r06LSoNP002823 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:28:51 -0600 (CST) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:28:50 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Mounting TR3A tub on frame Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 15:54:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47AB42838 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:54:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9CB427FE for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.82.105.244] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2013 22:51:17 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.116] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2013 22:51:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2013 22:51:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 74729 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2013 22:51:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357512677; bh=ishUWA1IUbbD3y7ndAeHv8Flqmbq16EnTRT+apfWY0M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=y0tZ77ncucs2TgK3LUNTFlHVMKl25ELVzVDToXRIrGlafPsa5HrNAivU7H+7UcfFoUABUC8CifF4+hCzdnEetDiNDFF8srSYhMjy/RwYtIzUZZzZP775DJJJdmnPlEtBAqSiJ4AeJcV8H21OO6IR0HnuZnmx0DYpfXxftXjxEvE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jIOTyrdck1PCUzCg8dZ1oqwant3kRU8Fb6HLcEJKAa2SIdi5EEArpJGFLtB7SsRGjKo1DDEvAy9FxzZP56I5YdmqTGMD1D51VVGXAo4juvC2LyPgt/Suq1uqgO14A6HE8jTXDMTUOi4i7k7aX75TOXMf3BPoK/Vi0v0nflgHBr8=; J1TE8_Ys6DHLbSosZa3ZGkUM7PnRcQ4u8MUdRTSA0kVYlSeZ6qcHheLGwygS LtuuCpdXvyHi9CJuE9p501lpzf7X5l9oe4W3WgUmP4EDzOKp3ZRfF.ecahd4 6bwCjyVw4DJ_WA6Y4N8kDaOyrjwuvhap3SrPK1pmL5OC5cYGL5mxJ.KQVdVY i8ziewBfx_1RojVI7jET.1u8gwZDfViUOjPTd5YgNT5UnqHdImKJJZM6Q__M QLWabGLvNc1VwsU52ZYT7lPoT5MN8Wc4yneXE5GngYC_5HaAZQ_CmA75_Cbd uvOgrEbq3DHAkj5gvcfHKgbZC1EGzeL7qGXAYzNiTihVy_I44wneuKZlJRYT n7eJ_hrLRQ55pvU03pGHRBT4h3kve9gMyIRoUmEuKtSrL2Go_yubcrs2sXAD V48Ut8AI- Received: from [90.199.100.136] by web171904.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:51:17 GMT Q2xpZmYgSGFuc2VuIHdyb3RlOgpJdHMgbGlrZWx5IHRoYXQgdGhleSB3ZXJlIHBhaW50ZWQgb24gdGhlIGNhciBhbmQgd2l0aCBub3QgbXVjaCBwYWludCBhbG9uZyB0aGUgYm90dG9tIGV4Y2VwdCBmb3IgdGhlIHJ1bnMuCgpIZXksIHdoYXQgZG8geW91IGV4cGVjdCBmb3LCoHR3byB0aG91c2FuZCBvZGQgZG9sbGFyc8Kgb24gYSBUcml1bXBoPyBTdXJlbHkgbm90IGEgcHJvcGVyIGpvYj8KwqAKSm9ubWFjATABAQEB References: <89D95B62-00F4-4B60-A32A-E178C3108E7C@execulink.com> <50E9C40A.7030208@adelphia.net> <3EE8073F983B40A2AEFA0907A89A2A85@Shemp> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:51:17 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Cliff Hansen , Bob Labuz , Keith Stewart Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Cliff Hansen wrote: Its likely that they were painted on the car and with not much paint along the bottom except for the runs. Hey, what do you expect for two thousand odd dollars on a Triumph? Surely not a proper job? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 16:35:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17506427D8 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:35:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD9426BF for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:32:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kfhR1k00B1wpRvQ51nVPvS; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:29:23 +0000 Received: from [10.226.43.173] ([174.254.115.120]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id knVD1k00Y2bvs9J3enVGla; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:29:21 +0000 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Cc: "=?utf-8?B?dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ=?=" Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:29:21 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1357514963; bh=OEebVYIMlgSG1swUvd1ljzycc57Jn/aNk0rXUvIx1eA=; h=Received:Received:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=anWS/JHQKrxQGaXVnc0midU/Pa2FQPqPu0r0bOK6nokPESfgX9hT7PrSZDEerhO6w QAl/1r9p+lVvxO9DiXk7xQGd0c1sQBS3it2j9GN9TTwWeg3fuqzcScQktQ7kG9urta 9jCxUBq4q7TfpXrGhSW5vb+M3Yd6p6QGabpElHXvmJpSo1aX+zWCStCFQbFYf+6Xvf zK9rlpJLOxSwprZ9YwolQjufo065Qz9DpTHXbz3/8zMFGi1IlMWR3BoElK10JiytsQ ZmT7Nk6Wdi1ZOoT61KsJjURdOib+cEdhQa3D5rCtyGck5PShL5y1RAUkI1vD6g1R77 TagQikCdI0eWg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR4_Over_Rider_Support_Tubes?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a tra TR4 judging guidelines passed on to me by one of the authors/major contributors indicating those braces were chassis black. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Cliff Hansen" , "Bob" , <>>, "Keith Stewart" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 16:51 Cliff Hansen wrote: Its likely that they were painted on the car and with not much paint along the bottom except for the runs. Hey, what do you expect for two thousand odd dollars on a Triumph? Surely not a proper job? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 16:38:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723E342866 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:37:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B773427D7 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:37:41 -0700 (MST) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=M5mx9oj5fjkA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=7WBDEB9hTNMA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=rlVDi6EfAAAA:8 a=i838YxUBADCmYAib624A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=75-nbjGrZAMA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=OzOkUxcCGUcA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=K90cyavuEdTZ5kcq:21 a=OHM5_zTP_8K184nt:21 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:55554] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B5/3C-16644-81A0AE05; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:34:48 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: References: <20130106233502.70C5242841@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:34:58 -0500 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That may be correct for a TR4 but for a 4A they are body color. Owned my 66 since 69. -----Original Message----- From: spook01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:29 PM Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes I have a tra TR4 judging guidelines passed on to me by one of the authors/major contributors indicating those braces were chassis black. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Cliff Hansen" , "Bob" , <>>, "Keith Stewart" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 16:51 Cliff Hansen wrote: Its likely that they were painted on the car and with not much paint along the bottom except for the runs. Hey, what do you expect for two thousand odd dollars on a Triumph? Surely not a proper job? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 17:59:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D92C42268 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:59:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5659C40EBD for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:59:18 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lAeoyyDCGmrKcvkBpsqon0yuDoD+p/q4IDZNq/cv6jOZP3/kulSluQ/VHN8qGI7M; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [75.35.72.1] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts10r-00061a-Cf for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:56:25 -0500 From: Andy Graybeal Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:56:24 -0800 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Electronic flasher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, all I just converted my TR4 signal and stoplights to LED bulbs purchased from Moss Motors. They work beautifully but when the turn signal stalk is in the off position, the flasher unit continues to click. The only light that is affected is the indicator light in the dash. I did not replace the front parking lights. Any suggestions? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 18:08:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C563D42825 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:08:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2156340EBD for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:06:47 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=pbrandsema@triad.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=0ua3pNMCP3UA:10 a=TFD5R4j9AAAA:8 a=nUXCWuHuAAAA:8 a=HsKecpT-puD-soS2rkoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=a_eWs3Sm85YA:10 a=0u9msHbEx0Pg74qF1N/FpQ==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.155] ([10.128.132.155:61853] helo=hrndva-web04-z02) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4F/B6-15459-9FE1AE05; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 01:03:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 1:03:53 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet Alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had my TR4 on the road now for about 10 years, and one of the things that I've always wanted to fix is the alignment of the bonnet. I will say that with a friends help, I was the last person to install it. I thought we had done the best job we could at the time, but ended up with large differences between the gaps between the sides. Also, I have gaps on each side at the front end. It almost seems as if the wings should bend to match the contour of the bonnet. I tried to made adjustments using the slotted holes in the hinges, but there isn't really any movement side to side. Would it help to enlarge the slotted holes? I'm looking for advice on how to properly adjust the inner wings which are welded to the tub. I already have the bonnet off the car, and am planning on removing the wings next. Should I just use the dimensional width of the bonnet, adding the appropriate amount of distance for the gaps? What's the best way to bend the mounting edge for the wings? Thanks Paul 61 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 18:39:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52F542869 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:39:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C7440EBD for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:38:47 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=PRevJbm8VmAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=0JfpX6l1HhdTQy26nMcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=wZv9HhwQZ8HqtgcZ:21 a=htFdl8zRTS90L5o9:21 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:60045] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 04/04-15459-9762AE05; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 01:35:54 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: <20130107010354.OHK4P.79650.root@hrndva-web04-z02> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:35:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Bonnet Alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, are you talking about how the last couple inches of the front end of the bonnet seem to kind of "curl in" in addition to the downward curve to follow the line of the wings? If so I had that feature on my old TR4A and current TR250. If you want to bend the wing in to follow the line that is beyond my skill set, as you have creases and compound curves involved. It might be easier to see if you can finesse the corners of the bonnet out a little. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:03 PM To: Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet Alignment > I've had my TR4 on the road now for about 10 years, and one of the things > that I've always wanted to fix is the alignment of the bonnet. I will say > that with a friends help, I was the last person to install it. I thought > we had done the best job we could at the time, but ended up with large > differences between the gaps between the sides. Also, I have gaps on each > side at the front end. It almost seems as if the wings should bend to > match the contour of the bonnet. I tried to made adjustments using the > slotted holes in the hinges, but there isn't really any movement side to > side. Would it help to enlarge the slotted holes? > > I'm looking for advice on how to properly adjust the inner wings which are > welded to the tub. I already have the bonnet off the car, and am planning > on removing the wings next. Should I just use the dimensional width of the > bonnet, adding the appropriate amount of distance for the gaps? What's > the best way to bend the mounting edge for the wings? > > Thanks > Paul > 61 TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 21:07:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416454289C for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:07:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D8F4258E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (97-116-157-3.mpls.qwest.net [97.116.157.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0743ciw003265 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:03:39 -0600 (CST) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:03:37 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Mounting tub on frame TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 7 06:16:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F9442901 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:16:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAFA40E25 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 13:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 13:12:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 13:12:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 13173 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2013 13:12:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357564333; bh=nLPDUOC/NDCD72XSC4+hB/R3Xx7yfA0g7rSthSJwgMU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rG703TdqqZSQvnZD2QTqeRvRZHNGWbuUypr2eP1HdBwiRg5JO01E4H5zH0ofo+m6kuHqSNgB+ZKXZJU+Uwuen/+4oDtsS0yEdCxkgXD0hwUBhdhyxs5ZtKRLH5ZpvZSk3olUZXsy/2hPO6l12yIdPU90k5bo7A5ntb04bLQe34E= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GwDkfpoGoSLmfHUAGWwfu3SQcP6vpjleWYZoX8aJIXH50UpsodotSRPSfqFtheXS7mxprkmRsHjuxChe3jm2xelV1DnSw9D1oaAjhYpP9EiuJbC/j3GvND/D7jkBeOZ+yd1fhZoN3zbh9qN5AOSQeJl7BLJmXPRyLLp91UP3LTI=; i7M91h8TeW8.GNImLGAgqk4HyybYKeDGfWfDspkwOoyB2bBtB_Gkyo77wixA zEOQN9I8_8S2gcUTRg66hNGUmRxqPeTC1CEfYGzRgasd6HkfTibwbBkjxkFT snwG3z2tKSr3kgbRZv86HsTdNOOzJGjxdD5wkyQJztEi5X756JCaT.6b1VyE N.MuowqaWg7rmeI6abaWnOCsOG0jMtRyDhNUf1d2UH86S.lI1Ls1p58uX.e1 F1GPmxJoSNmvYsBljkUIZ0XvIeTKeQ5d1vmBqVpx_CHgvOfpGiY4a1HoWPZq TDtqqxy.lwBQjIXVORrUSJPd.SZSfFcsKizk8CUhi7jsmd7PIptw.ykZloz4 XDxzwTBATXiRnpHE3BzPLlODbDAIeCXaqpTm7FRsKPvb5oA_ZwmL0YT1YpeT P4dTfvmee6gch0XBPIn5tXufn6_1gSTanxFUs_dlBOcWZm52TZHRqP252Dg- - Received: from [75.5.70.119] by web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 05:12:13 PST VGhlIGZyb250IChhbmQgcmVhcikgb3Zlci1yaWRlciBzdXBwb3J0wqBiYXJzIG9uIG15IHZlcnkgb3JpZ2luYWwgJzY0IFRSNCBhcmUgCmJsYWNrIChjYXIgaXMgVHJpdW1waCBSYWNpbmcgR3JlZW4gLSBubyAyNSkgYW5kIG9yaWdpbmFsLiBCdWlsdCBpbiBOb3YgJzY0LCAKZGlzcGF0Y2hlZCB0byBHZXJtYW55IHdoZXJlIEkgYm91Z2h0IGl0LiBUaGUgY2FyIGhhcyBuZXZlciBoYWQgYW55IGNvbGxpc2lvbiAKZGFtYWdlLsKgSSBkb3VidCB0aGF0IGEgVFI0IGludGVudGlvbmFsbHkgbGVmdCB0aGUgZmFjdG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 05:12:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Holekamp To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The front (and rear) over-rider support bars on my very original '64 TR4 are black (car is Triumph Racing Green - no 25) and original. Built in Nov '64, dispatched to Germany where I bought it. The car has never had any collision damage. I doubt that a TR4 intentionally left the factory with out these support bars. brgds, Jay '64 Triumph TR4 since '67 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 7 07:47:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9697642951 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:47:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51297424A3 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:45:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (97-116-157-3.mpls.qwest.net [97.116.157.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r07EgphL004707 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:42:52 -0600 (CST) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:42:51 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Mounting TR3A Tub on Frame (Third Try-the message gets scrubbed) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am in the process of securing the tub (newly painted) to the restored frame of a TR3A. In a trial fit I find that the stack of four rubber mounting pads on the outriggers that are recommended as a starting point for truing up the body leave the car floor pans well above the frame. My question is this, are the floor pans supposed to rest directly on the rubber strips atop the fram3, or is there supposed to be a gap. The former makes most sense to me, but in order to get that to happen, I think I would be down to 1 pad on at least one of the outriggers. Any ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 7 07:56:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1E84296F for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:56:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 303E9428CE for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26567 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2013 14:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.127.204) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.237) with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2013 14:53:24 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Joe DeMuth'" , References: <035BA80F-624B-4B34-B551-5070BC53428D@ties2.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 09:53:24 -0500 Thread-Index: AQMSuRb32xH/CRYC1EBu+oOefgfjxJW0Wlqw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Mounting TR3A Tub on Frame (Third Try-the message gets scrubbed) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe: The tub is meant to rest on the PADS atop the outriggers, but in other areas (in the engine compartment, for example), there is a gap between the tub and the STRIPS. Regarding the pads on the outriggers, the number will be determined by how the gaps are when you install the doors and fenders - and so it involves a certain amount of trial and error in getting it just right. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe DeMuth Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:43 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Mounting TR3A Tub on Frame (Third Try-the message gets scrubbed) I am in the process of securing the tub (newly painted) to the restored frame of a TR3A. In a trial fit I find that the stack of four rubber mounting pads on the outriggers that are recommended as a starting point for truing up the body leave the car floor pans well above the frame. My question is this, are the floor pans supposed to rest directly on the rubber strips atop the fram3, or is there supposed to be a gap. The former makes most sense to me, but in order to get that to happen, I think I would be down to 1 pad on at least one of the outriggers. Any ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 7 20:50:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471BF42AB4 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:50:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69A842A98; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:49:34 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=ALB2UxWT_0gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=qrcm9TAMjZAA:10 a=OCZkqsUbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=onhi19IbAAAA:8 a=8rGBYP55Wm4OsFmkMCQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T2M1hVH0JtkA:10 a=Ma507JNFj8MA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:50290] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/D2-01424-A969BE05; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:46:35 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Roger Elliott" , "Spitfire list" , "Triumph List" References: <50E9F737.2030806@rmi.net><7019B85324FC492CA568857ACC2DF296@MainPC><1357553775.2934.YahooMailNeo@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50EB686D.2070202@rmi.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:46:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] [Spits] Electronic Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a 79 MGB that did the exact same thing, needed a little tap to start, then always worked fine after that until the next start up, wouldn't be surprised if "rationalization" at BL had the same or similar parts in both cars at this time. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Elliott" Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 6:29 PM To: "Spitfire list" ; "Triumph List" Subject: Re: [TR] [Spits] Electronic Tach > Thanks Everyone! > > The consensus is that it is normal or at least not unusual, as I > suspected. I haven't worried about it, because it always starts up > rather soon. But I was curious if it was just mine. > > Thanks, > Roger > > > On 1/7/2013 4:16 AM, John Macartney wrote: >> This condition is well-known on the eastern side of the pond and in >> Standard-Triumph parlance of the day comes into the category of "an >> i'erent (inherent) fault" I've encountered this condition on many >> later Spitfires, including one that was under my care for some 18 >> months. A firm knock on the instrument glass is all that's required to >> make it work. One surely doesn't expect the rev counter to work well >> for ever, does one? >> Jonmac*From:* Grant Buss >> ** >> Hello >> I have a '78 Spitfire and the tack has been the same way for as long >> as I have had it (close to 20 years). >> Now idea why. >> Grant Buss > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 7 20:59:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F9F42AB4 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:59:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB9042A9C; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:58:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-70-220.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.70.220]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MGA009NMG8K9U90@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com>; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:55:40 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-07_06:2013-01-07,2013-01-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301070367 From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:55:31 -0800 References: <50E9F737.2030806@rmi.net> <7019B85324FC492CA568857ACC2DF296@MainPC> <1357553775.2934.YahooMailNeo@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50EB686D.2070202@rmi.net> <03F14C3DC5E94570A8B77BB04D6185A3@livingroompc> To: Triumph List Cc: Spitfire list Subject: Re: [TR] [Spits] Electronic Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure if the tach is similar to the TR7/TR8, but if so, here is an explanation of the problem, and how to resolve it: http://www.team.net/TR8/tr8cca/wedgelab/other/tach/tach.htm However, I've cleaned mine a few times, and it is better for a week or so, then starts sticking again. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 7 21:13:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6608340433 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:13:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7C740047 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130107235406908.RHZU21956@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:54:06 +0000 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=M5mx9oj5fjkA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=7WBDEB9hTNMA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=rlVDi6EfAAAA:8 a=i838YxUBADCmYAib624A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=75-nbjGrZAMA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=OzOkUxcCGUcA:10 a=Me3_-T_0z0eTXvGo:21 a=8sZ3ZneJrcPgJSCi:21 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:50693] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 56/34-16644-ADF5BE05; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:52:58 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:53:09 -0500 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It may be that we are discussing different stay rods. For the TR4 I think the conversation is around the support rods that attach to the back of the over riders. My post referred to the stays that go from the top of the grill support to the wheel arch on either side. Wholly inside the engine compartment. I was answering that question only. Does a TR4 also have these same stay rods? JVV -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:34 PM To: spook01@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes That may be correct for a TR4 but for a 4A they are body color. Owned my 66 since 69. -----Original Message----- From: spook01@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:29 PM Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes I have a tra TR4 judging guidelines passed on to me by one of the authors/major contributors indicating those braces were chassis black. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Cliff Hansen" , "Bob" , <>>, "Keith Stewart" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 16:51 Cliff Hansen wrote: Its likely that they were painted on the car and with not much paint along the bottom except for the runs. Hey, what do you expect for two thousand odd dollars on a Triumph? Surely not a proper job? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 8 09:36:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517E040547 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:36:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B98040403 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:34:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-8221.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.48.32] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Tsc5N-0001q4-SA for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:31:34 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:31:33 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: [TR] TR4A in Taylor Swift's Ex Vidwo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The music may not be to your liking, but the red TR4A that is the start of the "Kiss You" video is pretty cool! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/music/4732149/one-direction-topl ess-in-video-for-kiss-you.html Keith R. Stewart London, Ontario E-Mail: keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 8 11:34:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692064051A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:34:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B159B403F6 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so836224lab.29 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:31:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VC8tjbVNItciSIETfumM7VYwyoQ6I/Ei7ZPLekZTOUw=; b=HL39L79KUZBrefWdC+MgxS90qiIaGSZNj7Raw64LPCMPhzFp6M5WFYB5uY57uqcj5U c7HSEBfdMAs70GRsN6hg7KrR37hZhOpQea3mEY3Lxma2KKYEz+JLjhEtJ4Ey8uRZjEgB ENQUZ2vtN9ps/RGRteoIFRte2SwIgmO+sNOlM9IKNZme8af8bIOxZQW8eqm9cSngsdtW hQLRScmB4HQVsNWBwTnCad+3pbUf5XexYbLeyKL83bBSCsGxrTL2BkK81QVv7v8fZuwV G/cHtnmmal4KyGF9IvrP1siBVdHhBNH/SxbKpbJgkOAEFz1W+jt8Iv80a5yr8UI9IQpE Z+JA== Received: by 10.112.103.135 with SMTP id fw7mr26695550lbb.17.1357669875399; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:31:15 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:31:15 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > ...My post referred to the stays that go from the top of the grill support > to the wheel arch on either side. Wholly inside the engine compartment. I > was answering that question only. Does a TR4 also have these same stay rods > Yes, and the ones under the bonnet are body color on a TR4. So black for the ones to the bumper guards and body color for the ones from the inner wing to the top of the grille (on the TR4 at least). If you look at an original car you can get some idea of how it was assembled vis a vis the painting of parts. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 8 12:48:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4444051B for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:48:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63426403F6 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-8221.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.48.32] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Tsf6j-0003rA-5e for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:45:09 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:45:08 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: [TR] R4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks so much for all your input. It seems the consensus from those that were original owners, or those that were owners early enough in the life of the car that they know what was there from the factory, is that: * no one received a car that did not have the over rider support tubes (over rider to inner wheel arch) * the over rider support tubes were black (likely chassis black) * the stay rod supports (top of inner valance to inner wheel arch) were body colour Thanks for your feedback. You are a great resource. Keith R. Stewart London, Ontario E-Mail: keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 8 16:11:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2447E40524 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:11:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4661740447 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130108162719029.PCAH27959@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:27:19 +0000 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=0wiOde9d68gA:10 a=M5mx9oj5fjkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=7WBDEB9hTNMA:10 a=YAmhIXXFTB8hwzuJM2gA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:33581] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 52/5C-29976-1A84CE05; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:26:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:26:14 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: Jerry Van Vlack References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Over Rider Support Tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jerry, My 63 does. They are painted body color. Bob On 01/07/2013 06:53 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It may be that we are discussing different stay rods. For the TR4 I > think the conversation is around the support rods that attach to the > back of the over riders. My post referred to the stays that go from > the top of the grill support to the wheel arch on either side. Wholly > inside the engine compartment. I was answering that question only. > Does a TR4 also have these same stay rods? > > JVV ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 8 18:56:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A219540561 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:56:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47940447 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-1299.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.245.19] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TskqY-0001Zt-TG for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:52:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:52:49 -0500 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 seat rails. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Trying to sort out the miscellaneous pieces I have to cobble together the seat rails and adjusters for my '2. I'm assuming that the TR2 and 3. 3A seat rails are similar. Are the adjuster tracks "handed" - right or left? The parts that I have appear to fit only one way - on the right side of the seat pan. That would make the adjustment lever adjacent to the trans tunnel on the driver's seat and the passenger's seat has the lever next to the door. Both my seats have fixed backs and I think this is correct for the '2. Do I have the right adjuster tracks? Is the lever position correct? Thanks for any help with this one & Happy New Year to all. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 8 19:51:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165240654 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:51:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ACC840524 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:51:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 02:48:19 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.195] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 02:48:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 02:48:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357699699; bh=dcr4aNIJOby5c/aieu0HWjLATnTVaV1IHFgIPU4H5tA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=hDlZ7uLUeQVidsKgpj5GqgGTFJcfxYMdNIIDqpsp5mx+o3C2ByFV4IVgfTV2EKoQRb0HMMW8ik/dgwIWSgJLquj+r9WgQRkFJWPleaNgVH1ORtiTvC/EYKmDYTzlkyfn/scdLEg57WMl/89ynY8qeusBsyWgAjzKuyrzOUh2AL0= NOy4_ar0nc3ftPZPzd3efPHtW5iyV28jsSB34B8brHSsqWuwhY7AnqA9IHwT .UJOgnME3lnciKRYrMiE2STCajfLRPhZpVO_Jd_ZHjCaRlB8ZfmN_bqwKgQp DCKnM5Qfchg_rN_3eJP2IF5Cx9TPhr5Mie6Q38RwSUlLQxnsUqp5.j8US_ra 9Dumg1iWZGmisCjJS_1TvLeIISaO6dnXi_uGPhCmfQF1GticulRVe3zy5n4Z XYu03KzJ0_r4CPdHn16srtxXmqvE1dn2IltW8xu_914Chev0pFCwnwM1Y5wJ _AfmOtARZgObFds3tExExL3_eP4FlL8Oa_2ccPw22AE.XYL8.LrObbUyBDOu nh6yIeYuYDnFNgn12dNJ7F7G7IQ4QxFJM0jKccHjuhxovDAgmK2jOYmo5IIk VmhgyHEmq45hiuicPHDXbGPPn5U5xgEXyFECkIeA0sddqvMyexHEnoxHeEac vUnuLzUFc1OiRSEB_dMU_1.EY93IwEm4mbXcKmZTaQOm8RMahSEqNG3bAbLE tGKtkkxC_gr4wEaNWkV4ZKCOPtA-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jan 2013 18:48:19 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <50ECCD71.5000007@execulink.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:48:12 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3uDCflDIlYbJjjRIqk2oIOjRDvIAABztMg Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 seat rails. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo, Yes they are handed. My adjusters are both at the outboard side under the seat on the TR3A. Moss catalog agrees with you in that both TR2 seats are 'fixed'. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:53 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 seat rails. Hello List: Trying to sort out the miscellaneous pieces I have to cobble together the seat rails and adjusters for my '2. I'm assuming that the TR2 and 3. 3A seat rails are similar. Are the adjuster tracks "handed" - right or left? The parts that I have appear to fit only one way - on the right side of the seat pan. That would make the adjustment lever adjacent to the trans tunnel on the driver's seat and the passenger's seat has the lever next to the door. Both my seats have fixed backs and I think this is correct for the '2. Do I have the right adjuster tracks? Is the lever position correct? Thanks for any help with this one & Happy New Year to all. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 09:56:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C50F40413 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:56:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AE77403CF for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 16:53:33 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.246] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 16:53:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 16:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 77050 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2013 16:53:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357750412; bh=vmKuxE8BIAku+C3mmcQRwLZmm+v0csJqDGqhFtlxAMU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FtXxbURF76wpEtmpCcgAB2g7oKv0XpLRrgqsf/VJ7BrtkaqLkB3tfttB8jrR2p0obaaPCtQomBZvSfLLN2fWOyw6CasR0IUlZ4U3M5vQrfYpzw0ADWIW2KQxBH/cTRQAheCD5I0eS6oVQxZUE+Jj0uYtHw+vWV00TejffyqBLtw= drjty7gcuu.DbqyUCSyaXRR46EMfG4rEzQNODwtRlXzxZhAyqvH_gKo6V40j vhauTI__0BebFrzhUF413kmM6O63.A1qQNSzLEIh9GwPg.6cOPqZEyxSCw.E 4zRNP91Fn_abhRMVr5zTJu5Ysieolxx.Q7GLZarp7iGLZpNBtoDcmi8ID5Ku 9jbDVaZGrD0nA_iHzu0SdVP8joXZZt6rJR1q1C3N_btwy5oLVgJongGTMNBB 3x_8VNaMa8zXx8QbOWboCe2PyseBcvb6l3n7j5EfWCaGFS6x0HrbArORtLBS jXvCQ_isZXjZoAYwZnQYFyiOCVpuZk1IsqbjE8ykazctloJXiVqt0hTnmLlU KAc79nH4xtPbCOufmKDOlRoNWfmw1d8mTnhjZ_ndqiLxpUt7XoXktS8NyaBg P7R6zgR0tv0Aym8963OQnjaEsxB3lS7eR Received: from [207.7.166.18] by web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:53:32 PST SSByZWNlaXZlZCBhIHNldCBvZiBzdG9uZSBndWFyZHMgZnJvbSBCaWcgbSBhbmQgdGhleSBkbyBub3QgbG9vayBsaWtlIHRoZSB1cHBlciBwaWVjZcKgd2lsbCBmaXQgb3ZlciB0aGUgZmVuZGVyLsKgIEhhcyBhbnlvbmUgZWxzZSBoYWQgdGhpcyBwcm9ibGVtIGFuZCBpcyB0aGVyZSBhIGZpeCBJIGFtIG5vdCBhd2FyZSBvZj8KwqAKRnJlZAEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: "oldpine47@frontiernet.net" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I received a set of stone guards from Big m and they do not look like the upper piece will fit over the fender. Has anyone else had this problem and is there a fix I am not aware of? Fred ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 10:09:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1502C4043C for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:09:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5D240396 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 17:05:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.167] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 17:05:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 17:05:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 7634 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2013 17:05:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357751153; bh=cCUQkXqlyxnwQ6SgG8RICwOJSkwWa//njUPcrF2TYsc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0MO0I9CLfzdSDCQNXJz3fx6bCD6IMlgpmebrUHCo/FBIlIkLWY+L2cWTn7PQaHGDT1MqraJ7u3a4jhSX8DEcvU48us9eYAZELaY0OeJ8DWZxasdNbjtf0riokr7lhp4WdEOnjFUzC0XTqTitLy7Z2EIqABF/ls611YgJ+Ss6bPY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hLIF9H1Gb23NmMA9n07dn1E0NzCQN5Z7vF/U8qyaz4dphfX8s3qydN1N0MdQ1NliKEMvAu9W61EQNuQcujV32tdwWpImUvh/rsdyp7RhupQzi97oukC1dIT0/AFs+maYtJKdyS9i4hKTp8TnS9xDjwKqF/0Hd75p4ABlsgRspDY=; po0xz1JZo6nyD0MJue2IIcMRICOzOqmLi0OJ14k0BGbjzldjgod29nPCppnI QDfAzpv.6TSW48QZGHa7CwI3qRBiPmWSVPqGMmOxUGIu2CrDoKYhiMovPjYA VGSNyCZufhxVMDZv0CkzohM3ErMSj3r_RGpFAWn0nVMoBXgs4X2juVxfk..4 1lEpYQht6LRDhyVp4KdhBPPo7B0k8xZYj83p5u9F5EJkthpjEW7o1YFegBNN bO1BUlgNPiPuaExeLUAwUiybcfjI1jsTi.6HtJPjrREtQzFfqyTfucvip6JV 5PUv52bLE3j.jJlVKJzg.8VkttJwTg7pQCW.AwhwPMKj0m1l9bvhdPrm_apy AN5iA_rGrz4rGgs19qjSpDnrtKfWlN24465LrZA8jsCajioghLTFquUfzy.8 pQpbOFBYwKfNaREpcUB33DFaa.uh7Cu5ImAGXK91SGcBVidvCWYAbFVuLl.g _oFjZ_WSZJIOyofU6AHGGKhb.Zp2etA-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:05:52 PST aSBoYWQgdG8gYmVuZCBhbmQgZmlsZSBhbmQgaHVnIGFuZCBzcXVlZXplIGFsbCA0IG9mIG1pbmUgdG8gZ2V0IGEgcmVhc29uYWJsZSBmaXQKRnJhbmsKCkZyb206ICJvbGRwaW5lNDdAZnJvbnRpZXJuZXQubmV0IiA8b2xkcGluZTQ3QGZyb250aWVybmV0Lm5ldD4KVG86ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDksIDIwMTMgODo1MyBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIFRSM0EgU3RvbmUgR3VhcmRzCgpJIHJlY2VpdmUBMAEBAQE- References: <1357750412.71641.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:05:52 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "oldpine47@frontiernet.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i had to bend and file and hug and squeeze all 4 of mine to get a reasonable fit Frank From: "oldpine47@frontiernet.net" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards I received a set of stone guards from Big m and they do not look like the upper piece will fit over the fender. Has anyone else had this problem and is there a fix I am not aware of? Fred ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 10:37:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08784040A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:37:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9A3403CF for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:37:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 17:34:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.128] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 17:34:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2013 17:34:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357752859; bh=4QrRrNa5TVSAtWQCxz3rJ855EKpiIHBBRaueHw8SUQE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=ZaIALbQrm9oxqvLo6oWZAY5xVSilTvJZhSMJnPeUKZ4b4uSK0jCZhoIx9yKJ2nNVtmKIpd8GQmc/g9c4lGW4R9Q7UXgN7dM4U6ueErYHp17Xi9C3WvE9INFg9eDVtYKwV2eLnibG6PNVS3qQk3kaUnP71bIy3BvIu6IAiPbt3rI= B0RqiQZQdudR5jUv5kxiLdg6Z9Y7uizuckUJ5xvIZFlzQNwc1Vf4iAvQn4cB RgFIar2nX0BJMj9kHGTL2zwZMhxmZFBIsZMBgGm5b7rjCEfJg9F8TpBdw5Fj RzZPzb4fkzgKJ2GHHGfsXp8fl5S06nqFFRyZVSp4tX_SzXTOfcBlQUJKXxLk 7X4jXO463LjNvrWPusThgfzcMkqoqeuQXBFxJa_rhCwjBCspkATIigJkVocf vkLMV6hIMscbxo8vrvrN5u49PYusxHm_UI.PZAIpdv1UnOR4E2CuDjiJvlXx nBNke71T68rLxcxn34qaHRwRONVBjPGVRBd62VUkoiefVzquIcGU4R7EdmC. KJXaHnHXM5gBG3NMWoHf5JmXwHjXQ0i7JPo6wnaQlQ9tg6ONX1rP..P9McS6 P_k6GbjkTv3ltppwI7diFPk_Ve9EU7fSkd037NJVtT5TcSPdf3_LuXW_fvlR Pg2zbja3hU.cc63jznihE3VJWPw-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jan 2013 09:34:19 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , , References: <1357750412.71641.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1357751152.7424.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:34:15 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3ui6r6nJJOgS2gSVKTBV3lYauTyAAA5Dhg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Same experience here, mine came from TRF. It truly was a 'custom' fit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:06 AM To: oldpine47@frontiernet.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards i had to bend and file and hug and squeeze all 4 of mine to get a reasonable fit Frank From: "oldpine47@frontiernet.net" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards I received a set of stone guards from Big m and they do not look like the upper piece will fit over the fender. Has anyone else had this problem and is there a fix I am not aware of? Fred ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 12:29:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757094041A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:29:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074C5403F1 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:29:22 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ou1j52kN_6MA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=6OMnyM7J0nDUPVgxjb8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=E6k37eg1NvgA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:55248] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F2/8D-16644-754CDE05; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:26:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:26:14 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, oldpine47@frontiernet.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Stone Guards Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Wbeech wrote: > Same experience here, mine came from TRF. It truly was a 'custom' fit. Ditto. My take is that they are supplied untrimmed, both to reduce costs and to allow custom fitting to your car. The metal is very soft and easy to shape, but there is a considerable amount of shaping required. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 18:38:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA984040F for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:38:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD3640403 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:37:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fr10so22011lab.31 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:34:25 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Eq+1Y9+hQEuOI0refX8l435BxGetO/wGKUHLArI5/c4=; b=nCvsdYNBEV+0IoYwyMQvNqJj0NlnJmmzlrgfN4ADea4mDBSEM2uK5G4wBBo98C88JO jgnZOOivDmID1hdvla/uX4QSnyB3PrMHuo06CcXjkfbcViivcg5HzqLsnEHJR/fefUfU usO6249DHFWHIEjnvoOZKYAe9lZaDGohCUzFQL2RBjYfcSl//3qWji6IE9OoLZr7sbK4 Vleaa7D1bW9i8O+Tkx2ZmgGDhJMjAvr2cM+8xDaiu0s5FZ6wzu2HcQnLBhhUOUmD2JYr g4gI2oBd2W05PYsK7kvIWs8EJQJwkYcTppdRU2DvhIUk7JcGTudhtEKFXY3Ch2Ms9//J lOpA== Received: by 10.152.45.174 with SMTP id o14mr56327705lam.12.1357781665495; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:34:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:34:04 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Roll bar padding source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for a high performing padding for the roll bar in my TR6 project. It's supposed to be for my wife - but I think it will likely go to my best buddy who's moving here from the UK this month. Would like to be economical - but want good stiff foam. Safety first. Any suggestions/sources? I've seen some foam at Jeggs and Summit and I'll go there if I don't get some better advice. Thanks in advance, Chris 54 TR2 63 TR4 69 TR6 (on life support - solid frame but really ugly) 73 TR6 (affectionately called "The Pig" due to all the DPO issues encountered thus far) 1/2 73 TR6 (back half - going soon) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 19:23:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7075F4041E for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:23:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.127]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC01940405 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:23:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.173.162] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 02:20:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357784427; bh=pSb9Nb8u1pTTXiPs0xrdzlC6470bOeYdOX/yX93/UIE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=NjMp4rcjZZfi2ttgg5nfA2BtNhnk/yRzmFoAYXp0Ldg+xqbYzWVWTBMXh3NvGPTtial9MypfrT67NFB3AaaCibsp3fxWP8/34JIU5WvD+ofmpmPmAhJhpj1QIi+LIVKkFTOY2QX1tmc7QHvcRGSNxaUuRyKNB6QHT/LzNsIQbGk= SpfvCFBj.6Q8smTwZst9Ir9T2uFUyFGwbhHrTK4koXNRJlP0DSDqN9IuSYnp J_lYPX885jLMKobvlKgoKGl_PGcQKc.GHB83V52yTruR3PIpGWV7qUBEBfz_ eTr3idfSQQODgKgLeGaadG0VJ7Xci2THmUk8UNONmVgbHzQ.lSKUHik04M56 NTB2xvoRgP1atMc5SkAmXf88avGMHjlv.fE1V_gbRU07Q8W6c0_1PWQEPW.Q aXa_UXw.5PokdBCf25BAZB7cXDdGnVFw.qyXJMzvPUHaZ69edt9VrwB5IwKh 2AUF23asUps1a4YNhgoGMJF3.4i.5TWfIvf9QorOHxi7pveICbR1gr9ksV4n Cj8q63nHlvhTu7tUjDcZPY5flEqciOM6a7IK10M_5mvirGvzmhLJqiBWSRkg GLrafoR3MR0LuhqAJW6ml_c7786e6qiOdVFXZ Received: from [192.168.1.70] (john-marie@99.60.237.211 with xymcookie) by smtp105-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jan 2013 18:20:27 -0800 PST From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:20:29 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all list members, My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 19:44:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410894042A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:44:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1252340403; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [96.249.153.70]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGE00B1921FJP30@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:39:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: "Triumphs List" , "6Pack List" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:39:00 -0500 Thread-index: Ac3u26V/bndid62VQH2yLU4T9aVqPA== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm preparing the windshield prior to mounting and have a few questions for the group. The rubber seal that fits between the windshield frame and the scuttle is a fairly tight fit. Should it be glued to the frame and, if so, what adhesives are recommended. Is it a good idea to use some sort of caulking between the seal and the body of the car to insure water tightness? I see that the seal has a tendency to curl under the windshield frame. How do you keep it flat? My initial thoughts where to use a length of twine to pull it out while tightening the frame mounts, but that won't work if caulking is required. Thanks in advance. Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 19:45:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8387F40420 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:45:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9177A4040C for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:44:29 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=OCtlnbIS9MTtQp6A46kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=puMWHFm0bHcA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:63733] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9E/28-15459-F4A2EE05; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:41:20 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:41:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, if you are doing a total restoration the cost of books shouldn't phase you too much, the Piggot originality guide is helpful, as is a Haynes Manual and a factory parts manual, if you don't want to buy a manual a Moss catalog is a decent substitute. If you search around on Ebay and don't mind a little grubby you can get a Haynes pretty cheap, a Moss catalog is free (google moss motors if you haven't discovered them yet) the Piggot book comes in several versions that cover the 4A, they were pretty pricey for a while, but I thought they come out with a new version and had become more reasonable, E-bay and Amazon are good sources for these and other books. Good Luck! Solid axle or IRS? Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 19:46:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BB040425 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:46:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79C440403 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 02:43:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.9] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 02:43:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 02:43:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28987 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2013 02:43:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357785795; bh=737zNWxWUQNEiqbeXtlhZaAFIXJ1edHDSI6iryQnfi4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aB0gMlUbkauaNR0XXmgVWgQjzLPBIM16Xl+NFYUxfKY6H0mtSLbZmsBpedEgQYvlQCWxpc82pDEMnzOUX3tfVmlBpMKYm/sKo31fGR/8XbQkYvSw8cJT3w3QgEo2DC6FB0j891SanD4yo+u2BV2bhHdokiE0UMzMmpRQIksWYF8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vEmDEuywmWozfQKB5hi0hKD2Vp6PLCSTUxNUHKWDQulx3gdbLHpKse6TsGEQldbAHkFCCbtAQyEOMAkx4Tl3XZLzX8djdJrNtZP7WTtTGC0/t7DcQeHPCtcRV332MBG4Z5ftDU2B6HN0AdMObeh+MHpAaYj7qoOyJ5iTb4MnfBY=; 1KXxFZ8.goXkycU4UCjJKfRcLP2MqApbqLZXplEIH8b9C03yhI1lQCmPfi0S B7sAI_IUYCkWJ7vjoe.1tmndlUvVV8U7p4WpjI9E437Zk7Loc.QKPmdpwKsk qQJL105MattKvFHWfFbmJz_XD1YOoKBdRd1SuugvF0deVu6AGZSdpkG_lj4i xpxpNgvP2wmrv_7.Vsa4LAUyTax1t5oHWlhUbQsjXVBzndaYk2R7fUC1Pc5p nqdNKQa95X4oyLo7veZCNxJra5PnIc50Nk21FbtPWU6UPNnCigD4hES6rNUz u5owDolL2RqejZjHBhh8wUpEuSCdSOhWBwWKvuC7qQOaHH4.8npB6LkRb.g5 SrKTxteRyVQuqBal4tw1B1E7kZQV0PFX74ESGJZupRqh.K7US.JRoCz76nCi zxp2sNrMTP3SL2nXPLyal1i0IK.gIKYWS9Bso63tsNtGqRYqV1S8PADIg_Ds CBzLohrQGqcjW0l0MXsQ- Received: from [98.112.193.78] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:43:15 PST Sm9obgppZCBzdWdnZXN0IHlvdSBmb3JnZXQgdGhlIGJvb2tzIGFuZCBpbnN0ZWFkIHRha2UgY2xhc3MncyBhdCB5b3VyIGxvY2FsIGNvbW11bml0eSBjb2xsZWdlLgp0aGV5IHVzdWFsbHkgd2lsbCBsZXQgeW91IGJyaW5nIHBhcnRzIGluIGFuZCB3b3JrIG9uIHRoZW0uCnlvdSB3aWxsIGJlIHRoZSBvbGRlc3QgZ3V5IGluIGNsYXNzIGFuZCBtYXliZSBldmVuIG9sZGVyIHRoYW4gdGhlIHRlYWNoZXIuIGJ1dCB0aGF0IGp1c3QgbWFrZXMgZm9yIG1vcmUgZnVuLgpGcmFuawoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "john-marie@sbcglobal.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John id suggest you forget the books and instead take class's at your local community college. they usually will let you bring parts in and work on them. you will be the oldest guy in class and maybe even older than the teacher. but that just makes for more fun. Frank ________________________________ From: "john-marie@sbcglobal.net" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: [TR] TR4A Hi all list members, My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 19:59:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8692340426 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:59:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B55840409 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:59:39 -0700 (MST) a=5e7VMBvhA0tZemR8N+TV1w==:17 a=Ir91I79I2C0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=heC2nVHW7XjEEK6hi4kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=V9xLgLSreTI0tNsxmP0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=pYbe8w2NRc4PkTBw:21 a=5e7VMBvhA0tZemR8N+TV1w==:117 Received: from [75.114.210.80] ([75.114.210.80:39542] helo=[10.0.1.7]) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 55/56-23502-FDD2EE05; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:56:31 +0000 From: Dan Cronin Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:56:32 -0500 References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I highly recommend "How to Restore Triumph TR4 & 4A " by Roger Williams with a forward by Bill Piggott. From the Enthusiast's Restoration Manuals by Veloce. 192 pages and a bit pricy, but certainly well worth the $$$ - around $60.00 US but available used for less. You will refer to this often during your restoration and lots if its your first one.... Dan Cronin adcronin@mi.rr.com On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi all list members, > > My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am > looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an > internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the > best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. > > John DeLuca > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/adcronin@mi.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 20:19:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD86440433 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:19:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E9D40400 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m35K1k0020cQ2SLA53FveR; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:15:55 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.21.162.38]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m3Ft1k00P0q0jTL8W3Fu5M; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:15:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:15:52 -0800 From: Eric Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> s=q20121106; t=1357787755; bh=wAkZv+QeF5Xm1+woGwG07+RXtFF79uFucxfwX4+tixA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=Z/Zr02MvFjSZGbZq+KC3M6r7M0DXMTMjDib8yL0j2FWkvxkzCE3Ave53vqBtpZkuE h7mNZ2EzALJo2gsOWd9eyREUslr6+d4klnw+80MlcXRNx6w815c0Wf42XKJDkDF4y+ o65TqumLMZYW/tx7/QSygxghHM053kGVNPjEt4YvMXZi8PpPO5H9Ec6ibRU8RsQV3B /Yw4vC1+SObh8dtUNxOrVJq+/74qLgq365U9trxkfxi+ARCM3Hj7KVZuq79x7Xrbsq mULiwCpijHwCaepGD0EclB9CLDe06KUPIQcfDfZ2JCHfn9qhwru1otIhkQzy2cxSzC O6tGj1fMXVHJQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I did my 4A, I found that I used the Haynes manual initially, but ended up going to the Triumph "Repair Operation Manual" published by BL Cars Limited for specifics. It covers TR4 - TR6. It has plenty of assembly diagrams and all the dimension, torque, assembly, and fluif specs you could want. (It's my greasiest book). -Eric On 1/9/2013 6:20 PM, john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi all list members, > > My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am > looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an > internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the > best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. > > John DeLuca > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ebuzzmiller@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 20:40:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783E74040A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:40:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0558403F7 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:40:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS14 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:37:08 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Eric Miller'" , References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> <50EE3268.7080805@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:36:59 -0800 thread-index: AQH+0EEhuh/l68T8J45hZ1an2S7LdQHx/TmBl9CSoSA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[C46CE470:01CDEEE3] Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, The internet and the people on it are your best manual............ I've done a 3 Morgans - there is no manual (Refer to TR and Jag Manuals respectively). Thank god for the now defunct "emog" I have 3 TR/Standard manuals (TR3, TR4, TR6) they were all I ever needed for TR's. (A couple TR3's, Morgans and a TR6). They are quite good, and thanks to autox.team.net. I have the Austin manual for the AH3000 - its all I ever needed for 2 AH3000 Restorations. Thank god for autox.team.net I have the Haynes manual for MGB's, it is terrible ("Reverse of Disassembly") - but MGB's are simple enough to start with. I have an official Jag shop manual for my XK-150 - beyond awful, indescribably bad, words can do no justice for how useless it is, my son's "Harry Potter spellbooks" are more useful............(part of the "momentary failure to proceed" literary school). Thank god for jaglovers.com. Get yourself the TR4 shop manual (available at moss, and one of the greasiest books in my shop) You'll find that most helpful thing out there beyond the manual is access to the internet and 100's of enthusiasts who have "been there, done that" and are eager to help. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 20:56:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2204540426 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:56:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC8D403F7 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from dhcp184-49-90-102.mra.atl.wayport.net [184.49.90.102] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:53:06 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:53:05 -0600 References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, First, I admire your bravery and spirit. A frame-off restoration of any vintage car is a daunting task, and like marriage, is not to be entered into lightly. I completed a frame-off restoration of a 1965 TR4A from roughly 2004 - 2011. The car is now a pleasure to drive, and it even won first place for Concours Modified at the VTR South Central Region convention for 2012. I did not lay a hand on the car for roughly one year; all I did was study. I used the Roger Williams book as my primary guide, as well as priceless advice from the folks on this list. After a year of studying, I decided I could in fact be successful in taking on the project. So, I recommend you purchase the Williams book, get the electronic version of the Bentley manual, get the catalogs, and study the vehicle very thoroughly. If you still decide to move forward with the project, and the commitment (time, money and relationships) it entails, then turn a wrench. You may think money is a precious commodity now, but my experience says that time is far more precious. The last thing you want is a half-finsihed project that you are begging someone to take off your hands. Like Jesus said, no one wants a half-finished tower they cannot complete. Make sure you are counting the cost, and that you are committed to taking on those costs. While I was working on my TR4A, I managed to document a lot of my work at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph. I maintained this site as a diary of sorts, to help others along the way. I would be happy to follow your progress, and offer support and advice. But, like I eluded to before, the folks on this mailing list were my biggest helpers and cheerleaders. On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:20 PM, john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi all list members, > > My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am > looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an > internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the > best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. > > John DeLuca > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 21:36:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31814040F for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:36:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9B1403D8 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:35:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm31.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 04:32:39 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.206] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 04:32:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 04:32:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357792359; bh=HMj7er5mqhnkVV0eDA4V7O7p+94487F1wZqMVEzR7kM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=WQ6pzZU9daJOcmf14oLirVLQU1j6NHTmEkca8wMjczBpFsjATrRDccs58VU5ZWffXhm4s7+vD+N9dBR3KNhlqEF1xT3aGWK1gkSx4ZCzZVd97ccRbyt8h8cXxyC6V8Gbf+sAsCSF01QgC6XS350a5JFTPdlZYV0Sf8un/UYZDtA= WaCzKzec76Ur0vmDn47OLdi7TD62UZP4AmYi2Oui5kzewYaqPrl1GkSW.Yzc 8XsSh6zlp8tA8HS90rpD..M6.lse1ErWcJMXTnjNsY3Z8nEF3md1LnPCPFHv Cf2DCcOD0aCVdD2m5ea9zNmpN7EcWxhpB.0riE.QIWi3FMLqgTNE_dXtIpVI GCIriR1491nzc8_SMgHZK3LLojqvsrIfweTWedoxk7eHGf5vwo3ZrYU15a7E ob5H5l3OGWqkdGBbxviSP8Pn9ENjrftQaxA2DLpsMd8X9.L2A5cMtvgegleh 4S2brJmaqI22XhYBOXgcwH_P4_xwpbb1GEYdubCYyF8ghJyb5DE5DykL38MO wbSgc6t4wb7uY7cVE5B3X3lV7Ra8sbqSFH9Z8NRfmhe3I1RCrd8HNsKLm2Cm S6qz0WNXtBOgL5bm3eMXly8pnqa5sd4S00V.3nIA3BtSGfbs7SGDGg9FxwYn _Ow5hSdrqsRTaky.7EssTPgvhO5KQu3LtHusNzAiENKlk52a0wTScoGoF4gu sLPWtcgw5GEwmOUokah434V4iqpzi__gEd57un83tDElwp.kSy8gfpWdrdQ2 0JRf_wj8EKtrbe7B3COIWFL2u49CWeyxZQsez0yjyyoakwotbMPh48pw.416 2vN1D99zsL_FtFRI2gEFOxXGjKUPj Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jan 2013 20:32:39 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> <7148DA62-19FD-405C-B2FA-1DC38DA70FE2@genfiniti.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:32:32 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3u5hqdycEMatF5SY2eXqKguCPqKAABGGiw Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, Where are you located? There is bound to be other TR enthusiasts nearby, a Triumph or British club. Not sure I can add to any of the advice already offered, I have the books, the Bentley CD and membership on this list, the Moss catalog is very helpful (the Moss UK catalog is better) and Dave at TRF is an extremely patient fountain of knowledge on all things Triumph. They got me through my first frame-off just six years ago, on my second now. But there is no replacement for a fellow owner to stop in and commiserate from time to time, or help you with a four-hand job, misery loves company as they say. Keep us up to date on how your doing, Bill Bill Beecher www.bcbco.org '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti ----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:53 PM To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A John, First, I admire your bravery and spirit. A frame-off restoration of any vintage car is a daunting task, and like marriage, is not to be entered into lightly. I completed a frame-off restoration of a 1965 TR4A from roughly 2004 - 2011. The car is now a pleasure to drive, and it even won first place for Concours Modified at the VTR South Central Region convention for 2012. I did not lay a hand on the car for roughly one year; all I did was study. I used the Roger Williams book as my primary guide, as well as priceless advice from the folks on this list. After a year of studying, I decided I could in fact be successful in taking on the project. So, I recommend you purchase the Williams book, get the electronic version of the Bentley manual, get the catalogs, and study the vehicle very thoroughly. If you still decide to move forward with the project, and the commitment (time, money and relationships) it entails, then turn a wrench. You may think money is a precious commodity now, but my experience says that time is far more precious. The last thing you want is a half-finsihed project that you are begging someone to take off your hands. Like Jesus said, no one wants a half-finished tower they cannot complete. Make sure you are counting the cost, and that you are committed to taking on those costs. While I was working on my TR4A, I managed to document a lot of my work at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph. I maintained this site as a diary of sorts, to help others along the way. I would be happy to follow your progress, and offer support and advice. But, like I eluded to before, the folks on this mailing list were my biggest helpers and cheerleaders. On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:20 PM, john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi all list members, > > My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. > Am looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found > three doing an > internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest > in the > best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. > > John DeLuca > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 9 22:09:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72414041F for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:09:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8513403D8 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fa10so143594pad.34 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:06:06 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N0Rfhl7stw889mQWKg6AOgPNy2OJesPr8QNl6IjOX9Y=; b=FbRRQqRg09oZ+6MIzXEvam8EiMLDvwd6UIWtpzgXg9v5qeWZ+6Wp2B/nwIjcRDtXLM nSuzGLQ3jcxe6BtfAfaaMIhar+2ra5XI9NHfIjET3kA2ENG2quCMl8t1KkSJifGL442Z f95l/VsV4kxSz8/wFgHTlWSMq8T0JmROjqE7qJfV8/ln3Wjfz6cw5swxP5z5xHVjf4jK fYNjBmX9Ht6jdRk5hImjsEPMtd63g3u15QpmxdPsD6Cj+3cafNrI/Qjh4y9J2cfKKCRP wK+4gjPOgpcq4tXgvs1VkxduN+eLgSiznbk2FXKpbcmV7z9f6BKNoFATyxhL2RJ3MQYn dWMg== Received: by 10.68.242.225 with SMTP id wt1mr213612069pbc.65.1357794366449; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.147.37 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:06:06 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:06:06 -0800 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Roll bar padding source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Do you want padding to soften the roll bar when you lean on it, or do you want padding that would actually absorb a hit in an accident? The former is foam, the latter racing rollbar padding - see https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=ROLLPAD On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > Looking for a high performing padding for the roll bar in my TR6 project. > It's supposed to be for my wife - but I think it will likely go to my best > buddy who's moving here from the UK this month. > > Would like to be economical - but want good stiff foam. Safety first. > > Any suggestions/sources? I've seen some foam at Jeggs and Summit and I'll > go there if I don't get some better advice. > > Thanks in advance, Chris > > 54 TR2 > 63 TR4 > 69 TR6 (on life support - solid frame but really ugly) > 73 TR6 (affectionately called "The Pig" due to all the DPO issues > encountered thus far) > 1/2 73 TR6 (back half - going soon) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triosan@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 02:45:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A367240424 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:45:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600754040C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:44:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8b84b.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.184.75]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MGE00AUTLLJ9DK0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:41:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:45:21 -0500 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <008701cdeedb$a60c12b0$f2243810$@net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going to be doing this for my TR6 some time this year, and although I have no experience with it, I'm currently working on a Land Rover Discovery I bought cheap. The Discovery is like a greenhouse with the amount of glass it has and every one of these windows uses just a rubber seal. And around every seal it leaks and rusts. Use sealer. Land Rover owners recommend this stuff, whic hcan be used with the rubber gasket in place: http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_flowable-silicone-windshield-and-glass-sealer-permatex_7160107-p?searchTerm=windshield+sealer George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/9/2013 9:39 PM, Joseph Laurito wrote: > I'm preparing the windshield prior to mounting and have a few questions for > the group. The rubber seal that fits between the windshield frame and the > scuttle is a fairly tight fit. Should it be glued to the frame and, if so, > what adhesives are recommended. Is it a good idea to use some sort of > caulking between the seal and the body of the car to insure water tightness? > I see that the seal has a tendency to curl under the windshield frame. How > do you keep it flat? My initial thoughts where to use a length of twine to > pull it out while tightening the frame mounts, but that won't work if > caulking is required. > > Thanks in advance. > > Joe > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 03:14:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D70640419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:14:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF46403A6 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:14:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 10:11:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.241] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 10:11:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 10:11:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357812681; bh=SOOAVujaU/hRqrYLx/TnnUcumnZISXeooVKeN5O2ho8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=RqvM0SWMNpKQP+MNVB+ly6bUfN10CF85CYvt+k1WwyJR948GB7SyrTyM3yj0PfTfdjBJvRtsX6wGXUWguHMeikVmIq6sfhR9UK6FU+BJXLtHXYccnrg/j7YvpK9CRrCZNuOUyhoHoTEVTH7kiWiNG4Z2b61E57LR48ysIkrX0fw= leVPGnEKyjIFYmob7e1VF3DgWyK53wIZS1IVyakdmCmtSAHeb6G4d7XiKAR. tpaPCZcTpSXgulm0S.myhUmXTGmrnkcxXNwzXmzefAHcaIHjWJToyacgetet _z.LFh8vru1W1_Vdiu5k.j5tBnRPO7zrOCRLvefgSle.YSxygFGQfnlJwll8 6KDO8TCpIMvtRS1Xh2QkruViA._DOtwer9iMNZPVCiRsEy6FA.HD9k_kazF6 qWlCownX3_6vY85fBENUc3bEoiYD7wVa.AmZuu7UgptBudccwvDEgnVvXOpp 8k2quY1kK9QQKOHsxUTimrTZ17bOlkligbwpwzJFvLrucch3kHa0EpqodvpH A0NNYw6FU5hQhj8t.N9Qb0TpxJaRhFxhvte2cOYarbOpziH8J6zP96aOVGQ4 wjtLX2BYKa6gXrRVLh3vzMlKX4UcBV6_Y0uCkkoV3HJxQQ34B1wfCONDbYm9 5xHGOj_m7aWW7NUlm.BPXXVas7RPzW1GnhCsBhYqAjMMP._hWIIsJDTeCVeB TkWlhP1qu_UnSYf0qz5wUQzRu7ww46SguuN_Sh9woacKwehugXihfZO89nKO 7jn_1dcvy_ZBUbIhKRsXpxCfnwP9ajfImPVhlSdJChmuWQmgUVWhspXRLm9C NtG3atOnBgKdlFvwPPJQ0b5GQXZMUIyhuB8wg8QnSshttb5zCkRO.vNihW4v a_uUiJ0BFa0a7K.PVIRNxqRhw5tq2 Received: from [10.247.148.198] (lgmtr6@174.228.199.152 with xymcookie) by smtp104-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2013 02:11:21 -0800 PST References: <008701cdeedb$a60c12b0$f2243810$@net> <50EE8DB1.4030301@key-men.com> From: Triumph List Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:11:17 -0500 To: George Richardson Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've done this job more times than I care to remember. It's an easy job but you really need two people. Use the silicone that George recommended or there is also a black silicone version that I usually use. Put the Gasket on the windshield first, put a small bead of silicone in the gap on the gasket, use slight pressure on the glass from the helper and pull the rope/twine around the gasket while pressed to the frame and you'll be amazed how quick it goes in. Don't let your helper press too hard or you'll be looking for another windshield. Same procedure for a Herald, Spitfire and Stag (done them all). Unfortunately, the new gaskets really don't last too long and get age cracks on the corners after 3-4 years, despite being garaged so buy a good quality gasket not the cheapest one. Larry Miceli Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, George Richardson wrote: > I'm going to be doing this for my TR6 some time this year, and although I have no experience with it, I'm currently working on a Land Rover Discovery I bought cheap. > > The Discovery is like a greenhouse with the amount of glass it has and every one of these windows uses just a rubber seal. > > And around every seal it leaks and rusts. Use sealer. > > Land Rover owners recommend this stuff, whic hcan be used with the rubber gasket in place: > > http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_flowable-s ilicone-windshield-and-glass-sealer-permatex_7160107-p?searchTerm=windshield+ sealer > > George Richardson > Key Men - Keys for Classics > www.key-men.com > > On 1/9/2013 9:39 PM, Joseph Laurito wrote: >> I'm preparing the windshield prior to mounting and have a few questions for >> the group. The rubber seal that fits between the windshield frame and the >> scuttle is a fairly tight fit. Should it be glued to the frame and, if so, >> what adhesives are recommended. Is it a good idea to use some sort of >> caulking between the seal and the body of the car to insure water tightness? >> I see that the seal has a tendency to curl under the windshield frame. How >> do you keep it flat? My initial thoughts where to use a length of twine to >> pull it out while tightening the frame mounts, but that won't work if >> caulking is required. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Joe >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/lgmtr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 05:50:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBC940446 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:50:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F05D40413 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3D5421C000091 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 06573E000088 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:46:56 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357822017; bh=/rnvg/m33RR2DAgteIQnDZAhXRvwIJk+6cqI/G8BTMM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i7u/IIBQj2kc2IUcwMG946GUOQGUJTKvSTtmxoRcs3pTGD289vtGcZd7E7hajdL8I AEt86lzym1qX4gvTiRxQhD6VAoNoOxmoXy0GqB6cj9uRye//XXPESRyLXWP4YVGSKm LfBD5UISEHEyNr0JJruEFCijuDILLrawZnTtyQ8Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50eeb84176d5 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know about required but I recommend it. I fought leaks for years until I finally relented and put a bead of Dum Dum there. If I were to do it again I would use a gasket sealer or a weatherstrip adhesive an attach the seal to the bottom of the frame and then a bead of Dum Dum or maybe a bead of silicon between the seal and body. Gluing the seal to the frame may take care of the curling. Dave In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:41:00 PM Central Standard Time, trglory@verizon.net writes: > I'm preparing the windshield prior to mounting and have a few questions > for > the group. The rubber seal that fits between the windshield frame and the > scuttle is a fairly tight fit. Should it be glued to the frame and, if so, > what adhesives are recommended. Is it a good idea to use some sort of > caulking between the seal and the body of the car to insure water > tightness? > I see that the seal has a tendency to curl under the windshield frame. How > do you keep it flat? My initial thoughts where to use a length of twine to > pull it out while tightening the frame mounts, but that won't work if > caulking is required. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 06:09:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22DA4043C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:09:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18B3400A4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:08:45 -0700 (MST) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=pTzqZbqM9tkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=9RptfHNXKB0A:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=64mqkcubZWk0mBXtKIYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=M7rMQWx0hhIZyWBf:21 a=pROFaVEHNJA8a-Dz:21 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:58177] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 77/18-05345-D9CBEE05; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:05:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:05:33 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Joseph Laurito References: <008701cdeedb$a60c12b0$f2243810$@net> Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, On both my 4 and 6 I did not use any silicone or other sealant. I have been in 2 really big downpours in my 4 and 1 in the 6 and there are no leaks whatsoever on either car in the windshield. Now, I have read the other replies that recommend using something, but for the life of me, I cant see how any water could get in through the seal, either from the body up or the windshield down. But as you can see by the previous replies, some owners have experienced leaks. Same thing with the glass seal. How could water get in through that tight seal unless the rubber was old and cracking? But I guess it couldnt hurt as long as the sealant did not affect the life of the rubber. Bob On 01/09/2013 09:39 PM, Joseph Laurito wrote: > I'm preparing the windshield prior to mounting and have a few questions for > the group. The rubber seal that fits between the windshield frame and the > scuttle is a fairly tight fit. Should it be glued to the frame and, if so, > what adhesives are recommended. Is it a good idea to use some sort of > caulking between the seal and the body of the car to insure water tightness? > I see that the seal has a tendency to curl under the windshield frame. How > do you keep it flat? My initial thoughts where to use a length of twine to > pull it out while tightening the frame mounts, but that won't work if > caulking is required. > > Thanks in advance. > > Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 07:45:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B350640511 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:45:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEA4403BA for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.98.31]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id mEiG1k0090gdoge01EiHt7; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:42:20 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:42:22 -0500 Thread-Index: AQH+0EEhuh/l68T8J45hZ1an2S7LdZfg4BHg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John: good luck. My advice, crazy as it may sound, is go buy a TR4/4A parts car. Much as I love Moss motors and TRF, a restoration becomes very expensive of you go there for all the parts you need. I am on my fourth restoration and have an old TR3 I turn to each time I find a part missing, broken or beyond repair. And when I am finished, I'll probably get a good proportion of my money back on the parts car when I sell it off. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:20 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A Hi all list members, My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 07:48:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A976840523 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:48:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD71E403E4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:48:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fk20so674785lab.36 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:44:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pwiy+3j9wBNPTGXouStVyxZdIfnVzAJ1WygCzj8/Dec=; b=qd5iUxX7Ow28UC2oXo3HuQpnuiD3jf/AtgmT6vHIboCYfm51pLvW9y8Hk1a2jHv4n/ a9ZA39taAjhadD2TUwJOc4/DQd0HY5/l/R7HAPga0GC1NeM0Wx19E3Rdatm2s+S/oPY9 PrgCEWta6xMb0QWjeHGXqdCwBERbOf/yAPNz7bLccfBOLE/RI/VZWSz2wOMGTBKHu/rK xpe+NE6g7eLr1ryMF6H3RfKTtqVEq4xuEdsPbJQqwjT7XY75pdhcOheWDBXBZydLZR0q WC2vBw/BR4agFFktC1lIaB+962iEP0o6rOO1kxSEgEkH6vSgtwPIytShT3im1J1uCXTA IYJg== Received: by 10.152.145.37 with SMTP id sr5mr12148341lab.33.1357829092507; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:44:52 -0800 (PST) References: <008701cdeedb$a60c12b0$f2243810$@net> <50EEBC9D.7010902@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:44:52 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe - I also used no sealant on the seal between the frame and body. I have driven in rain once in awhile over the past 10 years w/o any leak. I can almost see the possible need for sealant on the windscreen seal as not all glass seems to fit well -- but again, I used none there either w/o a problem. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 08:17:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC5340412 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:17:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CE0403E4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:16:52 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lSiTB4yCXtGNtVAItmWaJO4QBrt+OPGqkmr8eXX30F2XcuPPLtwBgFxW+kXhC2Vb; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [75.35.72.1] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TsiPA-00054o-JI for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:16:24 -0500 From: Andy Graybeal Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:16:22 -0800 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Electronic flasher issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, all I recently purchased from Moss Motors and installed LED replacements for the original signal/tail lights. The lights work fine and are nice and bright, but the electronic flasher doesn't take a rest when the turn signal stalk is in the off position. It continues to click away but the only light affected is the indicator light on the dash. I can't figure out how to stop it. Anyone have that problem? Andy Graybeal ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 10:11:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC0740512 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:11:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FB840418 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [96.249.153.70]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGF00D2W6A1R1A0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:08:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: "Triumphs List" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:08:24 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac3vVRnmgftOao7dSKyiCz5bpONf7Q== Subject: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting - part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the replies to my initial query on mounting the TR6 windshield to the body. Half used a compound between the rubber seal and the body, half did not. I looked at my old rubber seal that I removed and it did have the residue of a dum-dum-like material on the bottom of it. I also noticed that it did not curl under, but that's because it's old and hard whereas the new seal is soft and pliable. I'm guessing that the tendency to curl under is what makes for an effective seal. The problem is that if I use a caulking material, I can't use the rope trick to pull the curl out flat. PA is currently getting warm (high 40s) winds from the south, so I will be trying to beat the return of Old Man Winter. I will be gluing the seal to the windshield frame today, and want to mount the assembly to the body tomorrow. Any thoughts from those that did use a sealant? Am I anticipating a problem that doesn't really exist? I just don't want to end up scratching the paint with metal objects while trying to get the seal to lay flat. To be clear, I'm talking about the rubber seal that goes between the windshield frame and the body of the TR6. TR4s, TR250s and Spits should be similar. Thanks Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 12:00:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9187440454 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:00:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.251]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E994041C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 03:42:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 03:42:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 03:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7715 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2013 03:42:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1357789367; bh=F9y78mwcb79D3BjH6Btp+JZoeZG+0ZgWECRcnEICacw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=02UsqUEkIdJ/YALFfKSr4eVtcw85W2jz0JBbqyUsiWqEc2Gq7YcyU1YXZyyjgw+wfJfTIpFD8iMPL6IHmdBlyhElo7T2Cd7Xx0Ie4/028FMXw+gOn14hy5ysgA7PQknIFtS57KlPSYCTZSthdXQvt10hAl633zE3QInnH5+pEvQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yiAjiaOGOFe7ISDKbHlYeW6aF0NF9xK1OCg85RygbSRi1GYlF+nqnVPe5k30BAjjUQBtCcy7jyruCNkFMna6DPd3ARSWd6Y4dMaxSUWWnrYiqmvwdY07ImgXtj0xY/sndRDhtWWt9bRdxAvIFAQQ6CzC6ZPIsrqDda3desHgVLc=; pD05duieWoNDYU_WZVqhzEtgtXwdaGX.CWqCBg0CeLgwEG0t_sct73Nf_nnb 31PqqFVkJoDnmO54sA.N0CT_VRKjJz.qro7DyOq5.rNsamIo5vWh0vgInyvj XeNYwJUkntSqwZ6WlwGbVJhBYE_fZVtWE6vrGG7ouqYwyhqLVLJDIKTsrWNf s_Cl8oGOclAYGtDTsLHEnHk5JkiZSk_2hTgYeveobHX.avytduHQHEWWUFtP pvXXlXdVoXaYrwmYilBoAZgHM33adPhd3aRRdCXE7lRk0z4HFPOLqK5F9jCE PTin17IQAbw1sY5p4Lv2WVryWYhPEgVJEM11DdLsznU2jTY9L3bu5FgLfVkC TKyt_HSc_0WgQIh0I9ZrPuNdhSiRPN14e.Kz6Cs7YJfrKny4Vm1gpO.vKixK QBcPpaZIod0xEKCTZM2jxfhhy Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:42:46 PST SSByZXN0b3JlZCBhIHRyLTMgd2l0aCB0aGUgImhvdyB0byByZXN0b3JlIHRyLTMiIGJvb2sgYW5kIGl0IHdhcyBpbnZhbHVhYmxlLsKgIEkgdGhpbmsgdGhlIHRyLTQgYm9vayB3b3VsZCBiZSBqdXN0IGFzIHZhbHVhYmxlIHRvIHlvdS7CoCBSZWFkIHRoZSB3aG9sZSBib29rIEJFRk9SRSBzdGFydGluZyBhIHJlc3RvcmF0aW9uIGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgYW55dGhpbmcgZWxzZSB5b3UgY2FuIHJlYWQuwqAgVXNlIHNldmVyYWwgc291cmNlcyBpbnN0ZWFkIG9mIGp1c3Qgb25lLsKgIEkgYWxzbyB1c2VkIGludGVybmUBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:42:46 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tr4A....... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I restored a tr-3 with the "how to restore tr-3" book and it was invaluable. I think the tr-4 book would be just as valuable to you. Read the whole book BEFORE starting a restoration as well as anything else you can read. Use several sources instead of just one. I also used internet searches for specific problems, a british car forum as well as this list. Internet help such as this list is priceless. I swear I would have given up on my project without the instant help available here. GOOD LUCK! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 14:31:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B026A40419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:31:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E77340419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 776B31C0001AC for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mse001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.65]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4815DE000087 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:15 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:15 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1357853295; bh=M8iKjsj24SA9G7jZlJrxs2sQd5UA4oZDzISotFvvM7U=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iAc7WXyDtKrjEyLvDxcbgNf9eGk6Ze5P8OTXwgtqXLHzRkivOGsxj/5dNYFuBon9J 9/8gEnjlHabtZ9jUYUE4bPqZspt9YyMJVGZnUlZHpENdrkhlxszv0qzywtxYVdEyeU G3qSS8w4yFprgEuUj0hV3cYDtzpxywQoB/z2f0v8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290950ef326f3f9b Subject: [TR] TR3 STONE GUARDS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall and list: I read with interest about the stone guards. And their need to be reworked. At the present time, I understand there is only one source of these components. Does any one (Randall) have a set of cosmetically challenged stone guards sitting on the shelf that is OEM? I have been helping N.R.P. select panels for reproduction. This might be a candidate. Keith Niehaus is a talented welder/fabricator and is now shipping repair panels to Moss/TRF/VB. I would be willing to review with Keith to see if he is interested in tooling up for this set. And I have my TR3A available for him for reference and trial installation. What's in it for me? Keith is reworking our TR4 RACE CAR body while using it to develop repair panels. I am helping him with marketing and distribution, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 14:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B69940419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:35:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C83340419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:35:50 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=oIuoCBgfP_Xud-VXZFMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:49853] helo=GregPC) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1C/6F-15459-5733FE05; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:32:38 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Gary Nafziger" , References: <1357789366.99586.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:33:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] tr4A....... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One of the best internet sources for my TR250 rebuild was the Buckeye Triumphs website, which has a great technical section covering many many rebuilds and installs on TRs, Vintage Triumph Register is pretty good too, I would bookmark both. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 16:28:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31D14044E for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39504041C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:43 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=rL1hb4kqRa4A:10 a=vWxmDED2IMEsn_zs43UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:44230] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 00/89-29976-AED4FE05; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:25:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:25:30 -0500 From: Randall To: Triumphs@autox.team.net, Andy Graybeal Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Electronic flasher issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is just a thought as I have not converted to LED tail lights. But I have noticed that some flashers do not work correctly with the dash lamp grounded, and do work properly if you instead connect the lamp to the green circuit (switched power). At any rate, this is an easy thing to try on a TR3 (not sure about later cars), as the lamp holder is not grounded through its mount. You can just remove the ground wire from the tie point on the back of the panel, and instead connect it to the hot terminal on the fuel gauge. HTH Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 10 16:57:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4F94044F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:57:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF0940404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:57:17 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=_PD_OAEMjuwA:10 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=QJHkt2qJ91lUv4snGNUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:44670] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 0E/F9-29976-C945FE05; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:54:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:54:04 -0500 From: Randall To: Triumph list Sensitivity: Normal Cc: andygraybeal@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [TR] Electronic flasher issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- andygraybeal@earthlink.net wrote: > I apologize for this automatic reply to your email. > > To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I > have approved beforehand. > > If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill out the short request form Sorry, Andy, I don't play those games. If you want help with your Triumph questions, YOU need to deal with your silly anti-spam measures, not me. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 11 13:42:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7E840E35 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:42:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4364D40E27 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:42:23 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=c8EA1cJctqFr3IZ4M9Hg3KYEOpiPEJ8cmbhrPV+YKAHXuV/r6SHTDYAcuK7LaT2J; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.0.247.225] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TtSCj-0000hK-OS; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:10:37 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Joseph Laurito" , "Triumphs List" References: <004d01cdef55$1a7c8840$4f7598c0$@net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:10:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting - part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, If you decide to use sealant between the frame and cowl, 3M auto glazing and bedding compound # 08509 was recommended to me for this application. Description:Non-hardening, pliable, water-resistant, medium- bodied sealer for sealing auto seams and between windshield rubber and car body. Can be used as a supplementary sealer for auto glass installation I intend to use this material, because without it I think I will get air or water leaking under the windshield frame. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Laurito Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:08 AM To: Triumphs List Subject: [TR] TR6 windshield mounting - part 2 Thanks for all the replies to my initial query on mounting the TR6 windshield to the body. Half used a compound between the rubber seal and the body, half did not. I looked at my old rubber seal that I removed and it did have the residue of a dum-dum-like material on the bottom of it. I also noticed that it did not curl under, but that's because it's old and hard whereas the new seal is soft and pliable. I'm guessing that the tendency to curl under is what makes for an effective seal. The problem is that if I use a caulking material, I can't use the rope trick to pull the curl out flat. PA is currently getting warm (high 40s) winds from the south, so I will be trying to beat the return of Old Man Winter. I will be gluing the seal to the windshield frame today, and want to mount the assembly to the body tomorrow. Any thoughts from those that did use a sealant? Am I anticipating a problem that doesn't really exist? I just don't want to end up scratching the paint with metal objects while trying to get the seal to lay flat. To be clear, I'm talking about the rubber seal that goes between the windshield frame and the body of the TR6. TR4s, TR250s and Spits should be similar. Thanks Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 11 15:43:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5809440439 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:43:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 218434040F for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:43:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31629 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 22:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.98.31) by p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.83) with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2013 22:40:27 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:40:34 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3wTBtAPh1Rpf3yQaCs5AbKXXHcJg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] polarity question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My understanding was it was a fairly simple exercise to convert positive ground to negative ground, namely wire everything the same (apart from the battery) and then touch the smaller generator terminal (green/yellow)to the positive pole of the battery a few times to re-polarize the generator. Did all this and still the battery is not charging. But if I bridge the green and yellow) to the positive pole of the battery, the generator will charge and the ignition light will go out. What I am missing here? Was there a step two I forgot? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 11 16:30:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B209F40453 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:30:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ECB403E9 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:30:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130111232654.GGDP24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:26:54 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id mnSu1k00G3enFnk05nSuxT; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:26:54 -0500 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=cnf5ftc3lbkA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=eRYR-RdC_t_n44W6fDMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <001101cdf04c$ada73690$08f5a3b0$@uprichard.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:26:52 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIKtNaDnlluu9pUUhWulTu6xvcJYJfLO/fw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] polarity question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of thoughts - 1. The ignition coil will need to be reversed. 2. You may need a new regulator that is designed for the negative ground. I'm guessing that this project involves a generator. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:41 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] polarity question My understanding was it was a fairly simple exercise to convert positive ground to negative ground, namely wire everything the same (apart from the battery) and then touch the smaller generator terminal (green/yellow)to the positive pole of the battery a few times to re-polarize the generator. Did all this and still the battery is not charging. But if I bridge the green and yellow) to the positive pole of the battery, the generator will charge and the ignition light will go out. What I am missing here? Was there a step two I forgot? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 11 16:55:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD49F40442 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:55:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E52640421 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:55:26 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=cnf5ftc3lbkA:10 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=mdltttQMAAAA:20 a=xzh4bMz7AAAA:20 a=i81hwDC55jkvhlww34gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=eo25y0R_LRQA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:62614] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E5/84-25887-8A5A0F05; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:52:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:52:08 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Andrew Uprichard Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] polarity question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > My understanding was it was a fairly simple exercise to convert positive > ground to negative ground, namely wire everything the same (apart from the > battery) and then touch the smaller generator terminal (green/yellow)to the > positive pole of the battery a few times to re-polarize the generator. That should work. It is best to swap the connections to the ignition coil and ammeter, but that won't have any effect on the charging system. Hate to say it, but I think you have some other failure that just happened to coincide with the change in battery polarity. There are some tests outlined at http://goo.gl/mQy6i that might help. BTW, be really careful about bridging the green/yellow to the battery while the engine is running. That drives the generator to full output, and it can put out enough current to damage itself. A few seconds will probably be OK, but don't try to drive that way. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 11 17:07:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5735D40524 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:07:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FDB40322 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:07:31 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=cnf5ftc3lbkA:10 a=9Z4NcmVYAAAA:8 a=D0CCUJU_AAAA:8 a=jLIyj9aHsObWqPyBNKUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=p5OrAhBHBpsA:10 a=4Nsp7CLNYrEA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:62767] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EA/52-04946-D78A0F05; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:04:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:04:13 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Andrew Uprichard Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] polarity question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Karl Vacek wrote: > Just lift one end and set it back down again, and it may > well read different by a couple of tenths of a degree or more. Sounds defective to me, my 3' bubble level is better than that. (0.2 degrees over 4 feet is more than 1/8") Take it back. Sorry, can't help with the smart level. Around here, even if it is dead nuts today, there'll likely be an earthquake next week and it won't be any more. I probably use the 8" torpedo level as much as the 3 footer, though. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 11 20:55:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE87340530 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:55:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33AB4044A for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:55:21 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SaUyi25VylMQbgXAy0gb+/l5OB8kBCLlBfY2fwK/S0dDJUqSIRKhpGXbqL2fce5D; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.0.247.225] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Tt8FU-0002cs-SW; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:52:09 -0500 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: , References: <3E682FE4-D4FD-41F3-99C7-DE8F448DA92A@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:52:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Welcome, and congratulations on the project. I'd get a copy of the factory parts catalog, if you can find one: http://trf.zeni.net/TR4-GB/223.php part number 514837. I'd also get Moss' catalog, which supplements the factory drawings with additional information and some additional pictures, but Moss uses a different part numbering scheme than did the factory, and many times it helps to know the factory numbers (e.g., to find out fastener sizes, for example.) I hardly ever pull out the Haynes or the original workshop manual I have. I probably would if I was working on the drivetrain, but I'm not. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:20 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A Hi all list members, My first post. I am about to begin a frame off restoration on a TR4A. Am looking for a restoration guide to help me along. I have found three doing an internet search. They are a little pricey, so I would like to invest in the best one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 12 13:47:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED3D40563 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:47:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E46E4054B for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:47:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2B9C51C0000A2 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-98-204-234-168.hsd1.md.comcast.net [98.204.234.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DB4BFE0000B8 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Evans To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:43:55 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358023436; bh=/a/YKYFTM8GSgsNQeKnqROXVLFyY7S6YMdjSNnErGN8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=hOrl2QNrgoSCkg7remokS4X9ifikYnsxD05gE/dgkQq94A/c42kOsmbT0jP07RZ5U KMQbqGfg5pAUkK3pPJLbIyLeWERNXp2jLKIG+l53LZ79CkCe9QOh542dwcqvueP1jC U1sF1FzuM8IdXstQ194XmPkM8PoTLpL+gZyE+4hE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c450f1cb0b672d Subject: [TR] 1970 TR6 Muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Does anyone know who might sell the 1970 TR6 single pipe muffler (with the two tail pieces)? I can't find just the muffler alone without having to buy the entire pipe system along with it. Thanks. Steve ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 13 16:51:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A254040EBC for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:51:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4010640EA3 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2013 23:47:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2013 23:47:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2013 23:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 38404 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2013 23:47:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358120868; bh=cNT7jLh/g5WnbNEBfuL3sQLAU3+G1ZMCv2SS9t3r0Ro=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RTJpLzKJEGrYSSxhU0LQA2MU4Cualw/Ua3de9fGtw85HldcC3mY3VU35YA3hBS3lmLaaMmLW35ANQjO6LW61yV0/Y/m+WHlqgCfLM3XqK0OYnzf8qffxj4bDtTmEBOWTQEknBEyOW0BzQg2ORT5VLer/BFWswK8ERh/k41fgM8Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BX75Phwn+TQdqmrPCmmfv67FH6nbjWxVeOWlgwk7lol7i23dPbalNCp1elCWxAGvcZlQwxw/vwFODODKoHGROpc4azKxipbC8bCkAsJXVNF7lHXZvYsYEMbALznzoRHYUQjiqpE36kqABk/ot/p2bIhoabTP5NpnB1gTlboG8l8=; hxx_ND0wI0sE4Ffw3.EZlbutQNSIPW8.gHdUC3D7o.ca7lSbqvyAVQ1LChqM XDaUzEhjDDB8u_XZ.nDZQmuUTpR1LwNnXNreA9e.aDMpxdJGu9NJI3agD2hi VgOaENbAKQAaOYgjy5LyqhnoJ7RJ13XfqeA8ep7L3LvLL30nGFX_FhjHmbrN 1SURrkP31EbsAuZCtY1hVpxe7tBHnfWiCBieaw_Bgd01mGBdaNMUfQvyDKkL t6MALt_JSPX2DTfqHHDq4O43PUdfYbTgiJ6DSBSdPeliH_G._rwjgtXbem1J 05rOwq8hxz4KDDdtuOryqcxpXWvVmRj6eM0MZkdpIEvc4KV0fNrQe0R6kJ8G wPOkPdcCjLMmf5jBGIqdoKwZLDpqzDh7zRNeaBJ8kjYoWTxPQv_NGu9LUGQX E9urvDSXLe6qkerYqIn7GNYgfuvIkBKSy Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:48 PST SSBjdXJyZW50bHkgaGF2ZSBhIGNyYW5lNzAwIGVsZWN0cm9uaWMgaWduaXRpb24gb24gbXkgdHItMyB3aXRoIHBvc2l0aXZlIGdyb3VuZCBhbmQgYW0gdGhpbmtpbmcgb2YgcmV2ZXJzaW5nIHBvbGFyaXR5IG9uIGl0IGJ1dCBhbSBub3Qgc3VyZSBob3cgdG8gZGVhbCB3aXRoIHRoZSBjb2lsIHdpcmluZy7CoCBBbnkgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnM_IAoKU29tZSBkYXkuLi4uLi4uLi4uLm1vbnRoLi4uLi4uLnllYXIuLi4uLi4uLi5hbHNvIHdhbm5hIGdvIHRvIGFsdGVybmF0b3IgYnV0IHRoYXQncyBmb3IgYW5vdGhlciABMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] another polarity ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I currently have a crane700 electronic ignition on my tr-3 with positive ground and am thinking of reversing polarity on it but am not sure how to deal with the coil wiring. Any suggestions? Some day...........month.......year.........also wanna go to alternator but that's for another time. thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 13 17:13:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA88403F6 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:13:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876BF403EF for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6292C38000063 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (user-108707f.cable.mindspring.com [64.131.128.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7AAB6E0000BA for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:09:46 -0500 (EST) References: <1358120868.38337.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Lawrence Schwartz Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:09:44 -0500 To: Triumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358122187; bh=OOxLA0AGL72Ey7j9dPZsuCQuKANn2uiUDfayr3nXOjo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=FFU5HjG6KKEkYKudrs1gQHQqbXm0AtPTBoL9BjrrXg7m2nnaXmJmYPEzodAs7hW23 yJ/b3VGdYeIFhr07Jt1XIsOWtfCbWFInZXdx5ZYpabRFh+Qh8ToHO1DwqSfTfo9HF9 uesAAFFWSTBMTLXRYlcGatfGtUv9CWljqJCQDkk8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290650f34cca712f Subject: [TR] Fwd: another polarity ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I do know with a Pertronix setup, one can buy it either positive ground or negative ground. So first check out the Crane setup and see if there is a switch to change the polarity before you attempt to change the polarity on the car. Larry Schwartz Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Gary Nafziger > Date: January 13, 2013, 6:47:48 PM EST > To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" > Subject: [TR] another polarity ? > Reply-To: Gary Nafziger > > I currently have a crane700 electronic ignition on my tr-3 with positive > ground and am thinking of reversing polarity on it but am not sure how to deal > with the coil wiring. Any suggestions? > > Some > day...........month.......year.........also wanna go to alternator but that's > for another time. > > thanks > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/l1j1s@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 13 17:23:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E39440EB7 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:23:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EAD40548 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:23:30 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=cG5AtF9F1lcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=0PqtDfTAjZwA:10 a=z3zl-WsaAAAA:20 a=jX0pQO1tAAAA:20 a=_iU-KND8iTWRKIXu0ggA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hihydOBCzhMA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FA/30-25866-13F43F05; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:20:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:20:01 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3x6Hmx3KjC0NRtSiuDmetOtj+0nQAAwT0Q Subject: Re: [TR] another polarity ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I currently have a crane700 electronic ignition on my tr-3 > with positive ground and am thinking of reversing polarity on > it but am not sure how to deal with the coil wiring. Any > suggestions? Depends on which version of the XR700 you have. The early ones were polarity-specific; to switch polarity you had to replace the box. The later ones with the LED on the side of the module could be wired either way. Here are the instructions, if you are lucky enough to have the later version http://goo.gl/K3C2h Basically, the connections from the module to the coil and pickup remain the same, but the box has to get positive on the red wire and negative on the black wire. That means you will be removing the present ground connection from the red wire, grounding the black wire instead, and connecting the original power from the ignition switch (white wire from the harness) to the red wire. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 07:29:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B786D4248E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:29:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9344E4245D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id no3K1k0071ei1Bg53qR7H5; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:25:07 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([98.218.152.215]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nqR71k0054f5vDe3kqR74b; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:25:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:25:08 -0500 From: John T Nichols User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15 To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1358173507; bh=OG8eqENAX2A62Mn2TBsoqnDwGrGbcHWwVGaYfR/6jVw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=F0JvDo3OB0tTmuxwsmmX+o69YX1lQchQoY1YiITpfDAEsIk3N6OXdNmBXbBR1TwV1 n2AThc9ihWKE7yeohs0gI3dAQGZC7QKfeNAIgfSVocc1L60iQ8KpDzZex0N8ADHD/z PkHKyj5FcAEh+qY31F5wD1BpZSFv7Bgpr+K0CVjfniudX+mEgc9cqa8tbWFYmxHWdT Ert69Cgf8MJXZIbMod+DtLpVn4G+e4MEu+DU7Ruai1EvTHzZrqCZN2z4veSZAku+RA ROgN7zXSxMsdT5sxqPJFTiW42ld1hDxyV6p6ZgCwYaodf2cpXhII4VVaadhFXdnHkW zwf8C7nFK6AKA== Subject: [TR] A bit much... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/triumph/tr6/1521807.html?refer=news Note the rear tires on this thing. John T. Nichols '58 TR3A TS32093LO '86 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 07:30:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B2A4249E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:30:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ewout03.consolidated.net (ewout03.consolidated.net [206.123.242.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471514246D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:29:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.251.169.90]) by ewout03.consolidated.net ({7f4c37df-33fe-4041-bc97-39fcf9138839}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPSA id 20130114142621307 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:26:21 +0000 From: Home Consolidated Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:26:12 -0600 To: Listserv Triumph Subject: [TR] Chicago swap meet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know the date this year? Ken Gano Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 07:46:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D37A42497 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:46:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6088942464 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:46:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id npwt1k0040FhH24AEqj4d5; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:43:04 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nqj41k00B2xZMJ48Uqj4vo; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:43:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:43:04 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: John T Nichols s=q20121106; t=1358174584; bh=KbLAFq7jnM3s6FDQX/ZJxHlFMwGEGpxCIB/ceWhudXg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CkiQFZoM9fKi8NslKN4SgqEXtVrAnizllfl2SXpWrYjHEE3ppke5+fDOJZYsSmUd5 rMhNMpYmKAJe2wjoDGGFjm0NGj4ZcF98xtvz5H9Dl8zOkmz0YsapwqMSsYqQFDjwXO w1Gex/+6C7VoKCG3DlHlD8UXpSEoMvZ4o8rZ/mBO5yCVkxsE2AdNV0D6c6/XiSQIlz eNJOmNPBhGgs5Aeayr4EFhbQTNWjLOoN3C/md3BjK5Vl6ZXnOUUaJb2KFCULjAOzwd ++7gpxQC7ieNxMOleBNgEgmDHAIpvJthslb9WQX6tGMHHZ46/vfX2cXjenfgK1eZjc eRie4TSbKF1ZA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] A bit much... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ho-hum. Very pedestrian compared to the one in our club. :-) This TR6 looks slower but more steetable than the one here in Minnesota. The one here has a lot more horsies, but the wheelbase has been lengthened to help it stay straight on the strip. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213592914/in/set-72157594234621685/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213592914/in/set-72157594234621685/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213631114/in/set-72157594234621685/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213636465/in/set-72157594234621685/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John T Nichols" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 8:25:08 AM > Subject: [TR] A bit much... > http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/triumph/tr6/1521807.html?refer=news > > Note the rear tires on this thing. > > John T. Nichols > '58 TR3A TS32093LO > '86 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 08:29:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2067942494 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:29:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151EF4245D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:29:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 15:25:47 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.61] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 15:25:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 15:25:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358177147; bh=w9Dg/jCDu02ZlppipCwuhTlTv1KQzYtuICxAe2ul7MU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=CvkcysMF61RH2FdhMUfsmUZP6ao3j6nwJqLOh1mNKkpKGVLKRfE/ggU0b4IJFu+EukvFDWurSDYpRzIP7/JrbCCqgN9huaLFt7T44PsshLjh2fTW9nogO3nbqI8rZkr1G5yI9+Hk8I10pWPyxLmfkNwFTmJ0TQOWQbNHou6z5OE= Hr9N5_liXBylEpOWGE0jbLm1guKi8eVg9EsJCP1zg6WtGOx8qt7MxkLLsByk SoNIkLZ9rY5OHbLunpXDR_WvkTS.k2ovApTBbKS4hALWBivIkHJ6IxX1fBJv STNSI1EJpu96d4hD68Yu3Aq0Pm5_6nxlruU.RDGhIdh5xjDZ05aP4MGZFCoW TLx5rxvjB_rOgQl4xvGDwme5d3okSNF5hKp9nGN_07WWIaeSlLI7RE52pYI. 4pPa9XrZTifjs113PPBQics4.guv2wUqC3md6xAiMLGUNcNNefd.5SMQzzqx jXVkFZS7Mz8.65SV.v2Qy5rr2Yw8nvyx14EBI4L8CTIeR4hpgZwNGW.zmhsU OSlDhuJHRJ6UJClWXv1t8mEqBzoazjs9WBdSxcY8xe_cXDt.lKfxzhASSEO9 xcNgovZeY_OEYqXJx4zOeQRJpKM9MYBlGNGP8MxVsuTJ7Zi0_NubSV_oEroa aynHd8r71CBpgcMDE0llUgARFxzYnfOICvikB94.x8kG23ZRV7GCyo1o8uPD DiGRj57dGVOwxRJbn2PJJUYuDJpdnyiHmP4gu Received: from [192.168.5.104] (bberger720@76.214.50.95 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2013 07:25:47 -0800 PST From: Berger Bob Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:25:32 -0600 To: Listserv Triumph References: <875C00B5-B6F7-47FA-A1D1-B49B5920CC97@consolidated.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Chicago swap meet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Our club newsletter has the date as Feb 24th. Here is the web page http://swapmeet.chicagolandmgclub.com Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 On Jan 14, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Home Consolidated wrote: > Does anyone know the date this year? > > Ken Gano ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 10:08:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A598F424A2 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:08:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8ED42464 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-283.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.241.27] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TunSj-0006vi-Ji for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:04:42 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:04:41 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: [TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another question for you TR4 Original Owners out there. I acquired my 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO) tin 1966 with 17000 miles. It had a Triumph radio installed. The steel bracket that housed the radio (between the bottom of the dash and the top of the support that straddles the gearbox cover) was covered with a vinyl, grained similar to the grain on the dash padding. Moss has this bracket in flat steel and suggests you can finish it to as needed. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48303 On the other hand, British Wiring has the same shaped bracket, finished in a black powder coated wrinkle finish "as original" http://www.britishwiring.com/TR4-Radio-Bracket-p/tr4rb.htm For you original owners out there, was your bracket wrinkle finish or vinyl covered? (Also, did yours have a Triumph radio or not? - in case that makes a difference) As always, thanks so much for your feedback. Keith R. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I drive TR's and am not very familiar with Spitfires. I have a friend at work looking for a good restored Spitfire. Are any years better than others? Did they rework the rear suspension at some point to get rid of wheel tuck & hop? Any engines better than others? Does anyone have a good Spitfire on the West coast that they would like to see go to a good home? TIA, -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 10:40:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053564249E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:40:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797D442481 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p1so3782567vbi.18 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:36:57 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lKWJi+6oL/S6egOjHfCwarWzBMoHcd94N09u7RBsVpM=; b=htgkidQuWSLTaSy0y4phma6ACoNh2c2m+zItR3OcthvZCD5I6YZ6wir89QWThwn8os /An/ubv9FwuWP5YzCEKa26Sk9egtGVf3JTiaiy7WO0MyZb041UF/qFvWPm4AMbncLk1A RTb/e4bjgKZG8LBCzmxBx7jIq8WQXzQlKOEkLzDy1z3Eg50pnARNjk/JL74cj4M0Z7fY /YpKZAErQG74wX+ALRC1jjkvqYewxnsfLGpseAt3FSpU0Qt5Be2NCseshn20E3SlsCL4 u+XXCn+PV7qa1OW1uTbyg1WvY46UlCcPz7pS9gbq9UQzyhig2/mzFDkLiL67uuvSYF/n SSmQ== Received: by 10.58.214.231 with SMTP id od7mr105940928vec.44.1358185017578; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:36:57 -0800 (PST) References: <1358183551.12211.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:36:57 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my opinion the Mark III was the best of the line. It retained much of the early charm of the Spitfire looks, had the best engine, and if you can find one with the optional overdrive, a complete joy to drive. We've presently got a pair of '78 Spitfire 1500's and I'd exchange mine for an earlier one in a heartbeat. Jody On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM, William Brewer wrote: > I drive TR's and am not very familiar with Spitfires. I have a friend at > work looking for a good restored Spitfire. Are any years better than others? > Did they rework the rear suspension at some point to get rid of wheel tuck & > hop? Any engines better than others? Does anyone have a good Spitfire on the > West coast that they would like to see go to a good home? > TIA, > > > -Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jodyfkerr@gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 11:32:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3844249F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:32:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFE142483 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo305 ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130114182858.RAQG17456.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo305> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:28:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.205.253.37]) by eastrmimpo305 with cox id nuUx1k00G0pAspC01uUx9s; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:28:57 -0500 a=my6uCuAMQmB1hwIMICKlSQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=2IpSTiX2N98A:10 a=IzNLFMpzRB8wZFfn04AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=my6uCuAMQmB1hwIMICKlSQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "William C. Quincy" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:28:57 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings Listers, I'd appreciate some opinions from the list on who is currently "the guys" to do instrument rebuild / calibration. Currently I've identified that my Tac, Speedo and Temp. gauges are all liars. P.S. the temp gauge is from a early TR4 so it's electric. Bill Quincy 1960 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 11:46:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707F242497 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:46:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D3440520 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id n12so4286054oag.24 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:42:30 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=r4u4hxzdDs3+Bqk2w8ZCfp3rB+wYFAKh+uHqCIcxQnY=; b=Kg1AjlaQBoEyP96PBNKR0zaYHSa8JOtFDsA5AgIhqQb/rJp6t12quMdJNUywlyPYTn 5d/Ei8aeU5aq9oFclNwHIzzs3SFO0aTrWO2CrnKuah+oDsMOxclrT1w/Z0oFCXsNOI0L r8mWN/S0nzAtGXX49WLF36FyFrBow6htbyaG7PmoVWazgsUm3VIh90ptcVsV28/wy4v7 +jLyeqp1tHausU6aCA7J9HLsNJZAd2xE5WHNFKck9HP8VhycfvW60Mgt/Ueib8azm5WU yyDKIFN422GiiqWvt/K+N3WtItaZW7RZhU4t+AWhOEHdNVt1YPzuKKh7bVTFNeV2p5Ef kh5g== tb11mr61820339obb.30.1358188949999; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (108-254-212-29.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [108.254.212.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d17sm11118658obu.0.2013.01.14.10.42.27 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: HANS DEFERRANTE Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:42:22 -0800 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Spit 1500 trip reset button Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am restoring a '76 Spit and am at a loss where the trip reset button mounts. It was just hanging under the dashboard. A pic would be most helpful. Thanks Hans '61TR3A '76 Spit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 11:54:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFE1424A2 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:54:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A97842465 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:54:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail32-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.237) by AM1EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.3.204.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:42 +0000 Received: from mail32-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail32-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1096D3202D3; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) H:BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: permerror (mail32-am1: error in processing during lookup of domain of redcross.org: Could not find a valid SPF record) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=Michael.Mack@redcross.org; helo=BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook Received: from mail32-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail32-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1358189430408831_2069; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.238]) by mail32-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610AC1C0084; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (157.56.236.85) by AM1EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.3.207.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:30 +0000 Received: from BY2PRD0410MB377.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.227]) by BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.83.40]) with mapi id 14.16.0257.004; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:22 +0000 From: "Mack, Michael (Rochester)" To: HANS DEFERRANTE , Triumph List Thread-Topic: [TR] Spit 1500 trip reset button Thread-Index: AQHN8ob6k+W2VOlpu0W4v3+m5CstbZhJKadw Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:22 +0000 References: <5AA021D7-1FB2-4A6A-9A35-D351B48007FC@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [162.6.97.24] Subject: Re: [TR] Spit 1500 trip reset button Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just to the right of the steering column. There will be a hole in the metal that strengthens the black padded trim under the wood dash. Use the length of the reset cable to find the hole. It will be at the point of the length of the cables limit. Mike Mack 79 Spitfire 80 TR8 76 TR7 73 Stag -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of HANS DEFERRANTE Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:42 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Spit 1500 trip reset button I am restoring a '76 Spit and am at a loss where the trip reset button mounts. It was just hanging under the dashboard. A pic would be most helpful. Thanks Hans '61TR3A '76 Spit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/michael.mack@redcross.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 12:03:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9AA4249B for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:03:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EDA4249E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.104] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 18:58:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 64077 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2013 18:58:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358189923; bh=adCMm4BlO/cfpkPnejm0VOjouyXP0Rrz/++cITR337Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nJtWVUgwU5YuiUC/1Cxdjrkw4JcW9IvRovriMnj1bUg5j1Gc0fiUBmOKUxSoBI9U6EQtKJgqrxYuAMPgQqt6mcqf5zS7BjNojxAzaAL/F0lxXgbw+lnNmqh/GUHt64ISpLT7VlbW3AoDYd57K3Y/ZvHTaTJBDl7NwkE+IOWi/lM= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GCHLcAhOTsISjTYuSjeCsiXLcnwVTzOd6EIlph1DqjYCjWR4ocwGiiKrp6bq6yyePOpKWknUOTVo2v6oNkGcyD9h6GyfTtGR6hoJcCwLzvxaohbDVOEXnC+UNlJxsEUkF4AAK+sC4hPCjrCHBeltim9odf86AM60W0rpeYn2/5o=; kjEJ9DLJ6xi996BIssqdvQ6l3ZfgtUSkWaDlFebc8cW8cALkSqgA_8RVwBN8 1_a9OL3kwDsuI.KEMQhrjHGdceXFzCY29DE6zK5JspuvWvwgL74ooZhFN8xp mOXw8tkSnrdtDyk20ixNX0J8PZhdI0._j6.mfx47xMSeOJHmaIcH_sRO0YV_ 8NEG30ATk8_6nWkg0ad8Ps4RisvfJ0GrKOcuVJ5khHXFxn9PxC6esst5zeed aQZFZQubT4rYvj2gAjoySiFpyR34huk0PhJ7WbkAFffL_961vW4mfluU1CSw A.uCvvNB3GyW4RT8waDwSCCcFLm3zA16Rv1E5sF0RZVkkMfe_lsVAnkFZkuQ ltKwA6Yy2uYh0C0c81.6djjwEGxPICJzHfiMU3kLk6va9dB.wZprDqx.up75 U2H3TP8MRthAKiJUQxMLyjOcNoX3KN8LkJ50FtLKRG01NxEo9gODzvggIVlF bScL0zBzb5CFPWszKGy2CRjYKlgxTpSVsZ0kDAVjX04CP0DIWNeUN4Nxb5mW sipwEZzL.nkjHJz8- Received: from [99.139.121.239] by web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:58:43 PST VGhlIGRhdGUgaXMgMjQgRmViIDEzIHNlZSBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmJyaXRpc2hjYXJzd2FwLmluZm8vCgpicmdkcywgSmF5ATABAQEB Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:58:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Holekamp To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Chicago Swap Meet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The date is 24 Feb 13 see http://www.britishcarswap.info/ brgds, Jay ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 12:04:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02964248F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:04:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A237840395 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:03:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.39.125.adsl.snet.net [69.0.39.125]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lbu4y-1TBtaX1ozU-00jEGO; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:59:56 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "William C. Quincy" , References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:00:04 -0500 GQXvsAXkRuTwgyxPUnhs/kz+ecoTnTK19g2q/Q8C6oarUM4Mvq Y+ipO/157ISUh1DX3pF5QfJS20I7uBhE5kNH/UUj0ZNb+No60S fqxQUoWoPJr6n89OabOCAM83kLkKUVw+KYQtKMLh7zhsBMil9o wfGbqiYIFq0ycQFEo/MAnF5XxkC1um0wXwk9FYzefT/dbGiCer G67Ent+Ed5BHPTV5pZTf5gsyOJ5jigmq2/0HdJb40bm0857KDt nXc0g/G99KaItG+NknWuI2PFA5Uu5IipZFmBCpBB93IJvfjTif zyN/eMM8w0P59o8skluL3Tjx/8fD7HV62L/l2VD/N Subject: Re: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "All" of the 6-Pack guys have moved to Morris at West Valley instruments over the past few years. Outstanding work, good price and accurate turnaround times. http://westvalleyinstruments.com/ but call and ask for Morris. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: William C. Quincy Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:28 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Greetings Listers, I'd appreciate some opinions from the list on who is currently "the guys" to do instrument rebuild / calibration. Currently I've identified that my Tac, Speedo and Temp. gauges are all liars. P.S. the temp gauge is from a early TR4 so it's electric. Bill Quincy 1960 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 12:10:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992714248F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:10:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534B8403B9 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 19:06:27 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 19:06:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 19:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 8354 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2013 19:06:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358190386; bh=s24WdJ1X2Iv/hL9kWg16Vs94Uw+7UvK7YUtvhC4SYws=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2LaoBk1/rdNdWsPQOjBRZXMyaM+QmdZCFDmzZXJUN5ep0gLBbnaEvr6YAHYMwISCsKkEgs5fYYgd0iAs3Gy5C8n1DTRpupBr6O/DwGfVwky0hMf+yx9Vnb0P5xsLQcJyQYU+ftHy2VGeJyFSd/2QhPxzsh7WfS/R8EB4z8G5A2U= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=43hlSrrAtOxEGZv3mrIN8yvHY7o6rD85GiKzqQ6yLTipYySLv+r9iDqRa9tAI1gCXi5U/RTLu5yWETR+mHN3fSYsrPevoWDCceMoGy0csJnEbIpw64uh7tMlDbGm6m7vtyKoTejazqZQZYK+2uAO+TwoB58wsl6yzhWpIUQyrSU=; F2_JKpnmsaw5kT1sGNY5KoQOUWPBqXoUzTo5yOyBQ4Rgt6KqBlvxbL5d2ZH4 VJND6fKZpQEV0DACV1Fp7d1suATVFuZWGPKB.7iNA._OrwQShEKE7raw0WcO tDGRL0LRTAMJpullsOOfGOXE2VzRkC0Wc2GaaZxAbyHnYGz7.UBA0julNIKm byhh0wvbRiFo5mSpa7Pe6NlJ3tkvABIRM_RIdj.gas9kUY.GfsXNkCKYEdzf QrZBPg97ChDG02W0jPTzFtMRAk56Kxv.NMoi_QrdU4CZy_EQjJ7RzZRDEU1d M1JOl4ngNH2d4NQR.0S0D0d4O1VKL9AzFL_iDxt4d3r2XzwJc9EgFYOzDhcS c3RuMfMKzbLZ2pKPB8pZCw5EgXtrBnbp7cEjj8dz_n7T2MQx7esEWYfR7dGE dbWEfscr0QBiBsrAmC45fIXAvHe14GR8UWCe12AmrR1iw6C4tEKJ_dOqpSWs y5tPm0Tc- Received: from [99.139.121.239] by web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:06:26 PST VGhlIGRhc2ggY29ubmVjdGluZyBwbGF0ZSAicmFkaW8gYnJhY2tldCIgaW4gbXkgJzY0IFRSNCwgW0NUMzg4OTVMT10gb3duZWQgc2luY2UgCic2NywgaXMgYW5kIGFsd2F5cyBoYXMgYmVlbiB2aW55bCBjb3ZlcmVkIHdpdGggbm8gcmFkaW8uIAoKCmJyZ2RzLCBKYXkBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Holekamp To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The dash connecting plate "radio bracket" in my '64 TR4, [CT38895LO] owned since '67, is and always has been vinyl covered with no radio. brgds, Jay ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 13:49:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85461424A7 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:49:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF4F42486 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:48:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 725D11C0000CC; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mad001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mad001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.28.65]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 37AA1E00008F; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:45:20 -0500 (EST) From: TR250Driver@aol.com Full-name: TR250Driver Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:45:20 -0500 (EST) To: wquincy@cox.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358196320; bh=UwqhP/AEfkvjPmwhW+ulewsXty78yhZwBpV9lpYZAyE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cLnI4LvOAG1VwXEcJrwmw3VRrz1j3PhE9rU59zwMmYQa2g8vGZNUvGoVabOPoPPA4 UuPGdNujXvHQEIJ96X+f+KDS1U/ln3iSxs9PJAUPpfDA9K+QoPmki5Wvh97AET9cco C0Ot5nHmOalaNkYfUNyHJLVrZc+r/0uyTIvNnnVc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c50f46e604d75 Subject: Re: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I used _http://www.nisonger.com/_ (http://www.nisonger.com/) for my TR3B's oil pressure gauge. They did a nice job. I am about to give them my TR6's Speedometer. Regards, Darrell In a message dated 1/14/2013 1:29:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wquincy@cox.net writes: Greetings Listers, I'd appreciate some opinions from the list on who is currently "the guys" to do instrument rebuild / calibration. Currently I've identified that my Tac, Speedo and Temp. gauges are all liars. P.S. the temp gauge is from a early TR4 so it's electric. Bill Quincy 1960 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 14:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263C34248C for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:05:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6242340411 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 863F91C000086 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dbb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.134]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4E17EE000089 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:41 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 99.173.27.219 by webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.108) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:40 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358197181; bh=QC9Z6HDLyx8T2vaVwYejVpnfmWb3maZA2G2/kKdo8Sk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XWfw8ij9QH+Vmr4KpMFWaHvVyzmp47K9B/xahuUFuINjaafyH7G6VGb9HOLha3bB5 sgmzzpkPVs5PQrzCklGUodEqNcmOdeSPzGLVBOuXXxjoHGbKvyCEi7SHy9Wpp1FhMI 6XlUQzZlCWcxr41KkbaFIg29s6TmKykClooXSPO0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294850f471bd72e5 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Keith, I have the 3 factory versions of TR4 radio plates; 1962, 1963, 1964. Some were black wrinkle paint, some vinyl covered, with or without a radio. Your's sounds right, just the way you found it. I'll be using the 1964 version as it has bigger radio face hole and slots for knobs versus the round holes, giving best option for vintage or newer radios. I have a picture of the brackets if interested. Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 Another question for you TR4 Original Owners out there. I acquired my 1962 TR4 (CT6716LO) tin 1966 with 17000 miles. It had a Triumph radio installed. The steel bracket that housed the radio (between the bottom of the dash and the top of the support that straddles the gearbox cover) was covered with a vinyl, grained similar to the grain on the dash padding. Moss has this bracket in flat steel and suggests you can finish it to as needed. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48303 On the other hand, British Wiring has the same shaped bracket, finished in a black powder coated wrinkle finish "as original" http://www.britishwiring.com/TR4-Radio-Bracket-p/tr4rb.htm For you original owners out there, was your bracket wrinkle finish or vinyl covered? (Also, did yours have a Triumph radio or not? - in case that makes a difference) As always, thanks so much for your feedback ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 14:05:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045F4424B9 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:05:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE0440411 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:03:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.96.211]) by m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id nwzl1k0044ZeD4601wzmXW; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:59:46 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Randall'" , Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac3ymY2bO94Q4LmsSQeew47e/8ptLw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] charging issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had posted a question about a charging issue in my newly-restored TR3. I thought I had made an error in converting from positive to negative ground, but it was Randall who suggested I look elsewhere. I had excluded the regulator, as I had tried TWO others without success, but today I tried a FOURTH and all is well. So Randall was right (again)..... Does this guy ever tire of all his successes ??? One final question: I now have three regulators which aren't working: Are they worth fixing/re-calibrating, and if so, who would do it? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 14:06:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9E94248F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:06:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197C4424A3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:04:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.96.211]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nx1K1k0084ZeD4601x1L2L; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:01:26 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , , References: <3de93.765bb37c.3e25c85f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:01:20 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHeWd0zzD4uxyEoMJaNzd0Yt7+nyJgogL8Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have used several groups, but Nisonger is at the top of my list. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR250Driver@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:45 PM To: wquincy@cox.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Bill, I used _http://www.nisonger.com/_ (http://www.nisonger.com/) for my TR3B's oil pressure gauge. They did a nice job. I am about to give them my TR6's Speedometer. Regards, Darrell In a message dated 1/14/2013 1:29:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wquincy@cox.net writes: Greetings Listers, I'd appreciate some opinions from the list on who is currently "the guys" to do instrument rebuild / calibration. Currently I've identified that my Tac, Speedo and Temp. gauges are all liars. P.S. the temp gauge is from a early TR4 so it's electric. Bill Quincy 1960 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 14:46:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5A0424BB for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:46:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405D24248F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id npjC1k0031GhbT85DxitCQ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:42:53 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nxit1k0162ymm843TxitBX; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:42:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:42:53 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Andrew Uprichard s=q20121106; t=1358199773; bh=fedDpsNnOEKtA4odb3oB7i5UvMx2W0qo18hPWOkH1Wk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=SxJgW7JIiyrzcxRDr5iUDAPnGbp5BYuUty/CMZm5dq5amkcOpjGuZUBwCNf1CFztG DHT5k5R9yQpApP8BlRH5glFYjTOzvHAG3/f+Lyhdi8o65Nt2Dkk2yJZeQkgdIti1PW Zk1fUWIUPrRjdf7vUFHWVMWVt0nX6F1NgGVGboTFXJZaS/3lcDmaSorMN8Wy8ESnHs IaNeTn7SWpEfJKIkmlykLLKYgHbvGR3KUNZcVgiHjhatiNTDr/OPRx4/f2KWDQfHOr r3IU2CkQxP6hmKa/XJoPgyuOFU40c5wQqLHK3zNwxIqEhaHDEHVKFKg/k21YNtyI1u M4NLT+jCrCDWQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, Randall Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 9 times out of 10, the points are dirty. It's probably not the correct material to use, but I've run a piece of 320 wet or dry between the points with great success. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "Randall" , triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:59:46 PM Subject: [TR] charging issue I had posted a question about a charging issue in my newly-restored TR3. B I thought I had made an error in converting from positive to negative ground, but it was Randall who suggested I look elsewhere. I had excluded the regulator, as I had tried TWO others without success, but today I tried a FOURTH and all is well. B So Randall was right (again)..... Does this guy ever tire of all his successes ??? One final question: B I now have three regulators which aren't working: B Are they worth fixing/re-calibrating, and if so, who would do it? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 14:53:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CF0424AD for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:53:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62F440447 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:53:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2013 16:49:55 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BWP87802; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:49:54 -0500 Received: from 64-121-239-224.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.131]) ([64.121.239.224]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2013 16:49:54 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:49:53 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mine is a '62 with black wrinkle paint and a Triumph radio. On Jan 14, 2013, at 1:54 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Another question for you TR4 Original Owners out there. I acquired > my 1962 TR4 > (CT6716LO) tin 1966 with 17000 miles. It had a Triumph radio > installed. The > steel bracket that housed the radio (between the bottom of the dash > and the > top of the support that straddles the gearbox cover) was covered > with a vinyl, > grained similar to the grain on the dash padding. Moss has this > bracket in > flat steel and suggests you can finish it to as needed. > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48303 > > On the other hand, British Wiring has the same shaped bracket, > finished in a > black powder coated wrinkle finish "as original" > http://www.britishwiring.com/TR4-Radio-Bracket-p/tr4rb.htm > > For you original owners out there, was your bracket wrinkle finish > or vinyl > covered? (Also, did yours have a Triumph radio or not? - in case > that makes a > difference) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 14:55:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9FE42498 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:55:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9205403F5 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:55:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.51]) by hrndva-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130114215148759.VOS9055@hrndva-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:51:48 +0000 Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=pbrandsema@triad.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=h-xOqGxzELgA:10 a=rYgzZAIkAAAA:8 a=yH3nEdvPAAAA:8 a=nbaC22F9D5HgPBOGqUUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=sRVufEW9JhwA:10 a=CV8BzKoE2JEA:10 a=Iz8cgIs1sgfMMo6Y4hwEKA==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.95] ([10.128.132.95:53336] helo=hrndva-web04-z01) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 7D/D6-15459-C7D74F05; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:49:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:49:48 -0500 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [TR] Convertible Top Materials Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm considering buying a new top for my TR4. I've given up on the one I have, which came with the car. I've tried to stretch it, using all the know suggestions (leave it in the sun, heater in car, wallpaper steamer), but as soon as it contracts, the snaps start to rip away! At one point, I think this was a very good quality top, maybe the canvas and not the vinyl. Anyway back to the new top. Been looking at the ususal sites, and though I would like to go top shelf, my budget just won't support it. So it's going to be vinyl. Question - whats the difference between Bison and Everflex vinyl? I found one site (premiumcovertibletops.com) selling tops for $269, which are the Bison Vinyl. The Everflex are more expensive, but it does appear on the VB online site, that the they're selling the Everflex for $329. Has anyone every purchased one of these tops from VB? Is the Bison Vinyl going to hold up? I would note that my first preference is top down, so maybe not as much wear and tear? If anyone knows of other good sources (quality at a good price), other than the big 3 (Moss, TRF, VB), please let me know. Thanks, Paul 61 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 15:24:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFF6424AA for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:24:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7485940411 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:23:57 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=lWhGtNIctAsA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YieQUjN_AAAA:8 a=loLXdtrOLKqR5uQXknUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bz7aZFfPkjoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:43640] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 6D/F4-26261-8A484F05; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:20:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:20:24 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, "William C. Quincy" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Instrument Rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- "William C. Quincy" wrote: > P.S. the temp gauge is from a early TR4 so it's electric. Don't forget, that means it needs the voltage stabilizer in the circuit. Without the stabilizer it will read way high even after being "repaired". I did my own, so no feedback on the best service to use. Recalibrating the speedo was a fun and educational project, I'll have to write it up some day. Basically I rigged my soldering gun as a demagnetizer (using a bolt and some wire) to weaken the flying magnet inside the speedo. That worked a little too well, so then I had to remagnetize it using a horseshoe electromagnet that I quickly made from a muffler clamp, some insulated wire, and a couple of big capacitors. Then the second time I was a little more careful with the soldering gun degausser, and got it just right. (According to the electronic tach I got from Harbor Freight, which may not be the best reference.) http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-contact-tachometer-66400.html Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 16:19:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EE9424B0 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:19:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88224248D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 23:15:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 23:15:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 23:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 65058 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2013 23:15:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358205343; bh=1lFvMHYZLjlR6PydBT3N2Uhlqg2yPJHLUb36P1Zpwps=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wb+DFl+4mBmT4oaLzGq4KvW3UhxEEFKzZtIZHdnq57yllhyZg3iaBkvgG/0ZVG67uUf1WvHbyBQESstne6nNPVS5DL1UDei53p5DmNDz7+J1ffqEY13V8kPg7sp3hvGTX9AFg+xz7qsH+nyGc96c8ZhLOBOqmRraqzMADlgmm/4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C6ePIV5n9uzj9SGobsx0mHLWpu8448AGGSkK9cKNFq3+HGSiW46U1jt4S8dmNRilsIFPKCygEFp5B2dcUrx7XzLpaZN8QZMGydetuv68ab9gVSKTa0qNN66j1ryO9gA8PgoeNfATly2VZgkOqMmzI2oTXvobfKEZYrB6TSJ/3Tk=; _ore0D9PIFOfDkvm5u.MQUVnK0JrW2cM.mqyT2g1TC6sj5_mHBlcL2br6EIG Qg7yQZrRP0Zu5KvNnyaJD9pF1XuB.p8Bx0dmsqBz2iGxV1gBJy.PyKahZuH5 vRGNLl6eckgFS4Wehj_BIfpDAEEwyVg_34l5uUqPdwTwEHn91TcsgP2EzVx5 0lw1t3TRnWaOi00DGHW49tlJ2I8oNHKMKBGrXDAGqq2fp27PSf_TWJ8BBjaO XpWUgXxqqgRyQxuOcFlvyajuU8rly2GPzskvkpzkZZr1DRDfnla_3_zv2OJx xv7P_j6nv7HdrhkZhmeI10Tj9IJrujHGAZB_VHXuDjrOu5u3gh9zJTC64tWT T5xOi7lzpyS3AvS5ASLWKEo8hhxnd9RJCByFJAGXbWvc6re1q..8ZGszF7Ok sS8aO4uWUDbHuNrZLhcC04nTO9azrgJPBNiZtEAWb Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:15:42 PST SSBoYWQgYSBmYWlybHkgZWFybHkgVFI0IENZMTMsKioqIExPIHdoaWNoIEkgYm91Z2h0IGZyb20gdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsIG93bmVyIHllYXJzIGFnbyAoMTk3MyBJIHRoaW5rKS4gIEl0IGhhZCBhIFRyaXVtcGggQU0gcmFkaW8gbW91bnRlZCBpbiBhIG1ldGFsIGJyYWNrZXQgd2l0aCBibGFjayAid3JpbmtsZSIgcGFpbnQgb24gaXQuDQoNCkVkd2FyZCBIYW1lcg0KUGV0YWx1bWEgQ0EBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a fairly early TR4 CY13,*** LO which I bought from the original owner years ago (1973 I think). It had a Triumph AM radio mounted in a metal bracket with black "wrinkle" paint on it. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 16:34:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B3442496 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:34:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540DD403EF for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:34:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 23:30:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.57] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 23:30:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp208.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 23:30:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358206255; bh=4CS2CJmfLfS50BGoy5IKnWWYJ1NeskXL8Cp10+Lz/dA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Gsh+zbyEiAZDS0ABjrUyKrHDSnkh7MWWGrVmexsiwHfkKQU5x8dYovgYkvJo9vjdRFLnmGxjyml2N2LhpC41+q0PDOVzh/jPX11A6QVmA8ybfQ7YoI2a3AAtb5us7eMTY2wWL/h/3mqUVKPOC1UuXHzKI7CZSJuQ5JcpyDSRtt0= Ut8ixTLylMZMzAGxQeF7wMosrRJKAtKrLoWcjiuxfjAWDuKBpHdXfVZjxmsL KpioKcJq5PYBmqtGsr0WHyTRIpM1JPVgxJEpcdGm1H_nkV_jztcDxeekyEcP llidoRD9s6J4RYG5ZtjB6HJFZetmDK4mZAQvyPpv.S2dE5mg9MsgolceP9xu 7tzXYdmzbubqo6HmMSn49XO2JaRZ0GGN6_Ddn0uPoBqFBWRVJPBaveZ5PhGk 3eyPe5kXGXdcGxwyVnbAbVtAVgcOjcbX6J7p1rxgglCX0EbnriD9VxTGL7Jl KL0e7wKVBFGLVZaBxlT6yV8aKXs7wJK80.kbWiP5QDqyIc1j7PM4Oo00N2dq teeg55wIReHWHVjVKJbXx9ZiVWyXXWwnQWe39HZ1LXI_hC4msr_PnKUHqX9R BeQ_xsdaV6Wfj3MTVR7aDpcWnErAD1TvXeVNUe62pM0N3mz4jZeWgpe1V0Bj 6jTS.dtW24C8zofVH6W47rushuuFakVIVseg2_XysfNu3ov6dmPMIaKsnqzK LdtjHSqPu2Bt7w_VhfmVrr5Y2Z.TKyHXTN.2WIbs- Received: from [10.180.236.254] (wbeech@166.137.109.3 with plain) by smtp208.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2013 15:30:54 -0800 PST References: <20130114214948.A2IM7.46409.root@hrndva-web04-z01> From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:30:46 -0600 To: "" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Convertible Top Materials Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff Zorn, at LBCarCo, has a UK source that helped me with an Everflex tonneau cover at a reasonable cost, you might check with him. Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 14, 2013, at 3:49 PM, wrote: I'm considering buying a new top for my TR4. I've given up on the one I have, which came with the car. I've tried to stretch it, using all the know suggestions (leave it in the sun, heater in car, wallpaper steamer), but as soon as it contracts, the snaps start to rip away! At one point, I think this was a very good quality top, maybe the canvas and not the vinyl. Anyway back to the new top. Been looking at the ususal sites, and though I would like to go top shelf, my budget just won't support it. So it's going to be vinyl. Question - whats the difference between Bison and Everflex vinyl? I found one site (premiumcovertibletops.com) selling tops for $269, which are the Bison Vinyl. The Everflex are more expensive, but it does appear on the VB online site, that the they're selling the Everflex for $329. Has anyone every purchased one of these tops from VB? Is the Bison Vinyl going to hold up? I would note that my first preference is top down, so maybe not as much wear and tear? If anyone knows of other good sources (quality at a good price), other than the big 3 (Moss, TRF, VB), please let me know. Thanks, Paul 61 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 17:01:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EFD42552 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:01:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C2B403DA for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:00:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130114235700.PWZB19285.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:57:00 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id nzx01k0064qRjhw01zx0qk; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:57:00 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=6xtPOR56MlYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ANRldkkxUVQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=4O2UQYd8ODC9TFSz9rsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1358183551.12211.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:57:04 -0700 thread-index: Ac3yemSFHAwLJIl8QU+ewbBCR1wmIQAOD8lQ Subject: Re: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, That is a very personal question. The answer depends entirely on who you ask. Personally I like the round tail ones and mostly the Mk1 and Mk2 when the front bumper is lower. The Mk3 however has a superior engine. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:13 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? I drive TR's and am not very familiar with Spitfires. I have a friend at work looking for a good restored Spitfire. Are any years better than others? Did they rework the rear suspension at some point to get rid of wheel tuck & hop? Any engines better than others? Does anyone have a good Spitfire on the West coast that they would like to see go to a good home? TIA, -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 17:01:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53F04256F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:01:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8042403D5 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130114235810.PYUT19285.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:58:10 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id nzxz1k00J4qRjhw01zyAFZ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:58:10 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=6xtPOR56MlYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ANRldkkxUVQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PpHjJPIq-MTAo543K_oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1358183551.12211.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:03 -0700 thread-index: Ac3yemSFHAwLJIl8QU+ewbBCR1wmIQAOIKaw Subject: Re: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, I forgot. Just add a camber compensator and that will eliminate the wheel tuck issues. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:13 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? I drive TR's and am not very familiar with Spitfires. I have a friend at work looking for a good restored Spitfire. Are any years better than others? Did they rework the rear suspension at some point to get rid of wheel tuck & hop? Any engines better than others? Does anyone have a good Spitfire on the West coast that they would like to see go to a good home? TIA, -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 17:59:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9FE424C0 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:59:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EC842496 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E4F261C00012C for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.1]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BE387E000088 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:55:59 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.132) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:55:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:55:59 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358211359; bh=W8hurVJrNsPu6knhiBogtcm7tz5trvuWC/7QX1rlHiQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DubE+F2TOm86o+rSHVjlDy8t9c7E4kprEafi9BErGyYlNm0jim406FtNMnVRxyl20 y9OMbBfomZffLuKh1DWeLd7e+Dv+b6WIZYzjQySNbNO72a0tuh2TjBGFUmXsRQSBnS VMEDBPQHvXFuie2erv8Zk3zdPjYAx+BnwVxM1CKI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290850f4a91f003f Subject: [TR] DASH BRACKETS (RADIO) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl Sereda fails to mention that he is responsible for the replicated generic panel offered by Moss. Based on dimensions and information supplied by Carl and another enthusiast, we decided to make 50, and it didnt make any difference if it lost money. We did it because we could and we were being encouraged to do so.. The basic dimensions and angles are precisely the same as OEM. We sold the initial 50 and have had several runs since then. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 18:06:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28259424B3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:06:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DAD42496 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c1so3350702lbg.4 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:02:27 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aVuw84aR86XEmlasHz+/Cc/j62If2DNauOt3FRUIuQs=; b=PSiQSAJBL54dOXeLAg29NN06oitK9mFpTdKH8dR0VWv8uKfUlVOK+R3OZfpK9AvCwz 2yLHfYyjLpGov59MA9H/v0IFrF2poANPFnn23TlfN88e1YzCBAbUxORBGNJYj4cy9rhd w91ildIv5Gv1L0sHZDAH5w0XEjeU83nBSpG9m8odVC+r0rg5z1OhhQ4F1HHpTnn418ma wLjUA+WUG2KrQ2OVzr8syBwA6QcYxr9BMr06i7VZOOqAV807WQmAlAjta9+7hKhg0PGJ ZskUCB3aidNq0UtSHnO/dD2IN6b7R5rhL3YSlcqe4k8WtKmgBj4BWG/iIcWQchk0bYgy ow7w== Received: by 10.112.26.169 with SMTP id m9mr28878734lbg.116.1358211747406; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.84.138 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:02:27 -0800 (PST) References: <1358190386.3336.YahooMailRC@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:02:27 -0800 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: Jay Holekamp Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My one-owner 64-5 TR4 has a radio bracket finished in wrinkle black, but not the original radio. Cheers, John Howard On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Jay Holekamp wrote: > The dash connecting plate "radio bracket" in my '64 TR4, [CT38895LO] owned > since > '67, is and always has been vinyl covered with no radio. > > > brgds, Jay > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejohn7@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 18:14:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD22424B9 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:14:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3417A42496 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS16 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:41:35 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Berger Bob'" , "'Listserv Triumph'" References: <875C00B5-B6F7-47FA-A1D1-B49B5920CC97@consolidated.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:41:35 -0800 Thread-Index: AQKn3SeB9eypXHbnPAUGOZHmOM5ZjwHArRjelocbf5A= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[A299FC10:01CDF26D] Subject: Re: [TR] Chicago swap meet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not at all, thanks, Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Berger Bob Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:26 AM To: Listserv Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Chicago swap meet Our club newsletter has the date as Feb 24th. Here is the web page http://swapmeet.chicagolandmgclub.com Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 On Jan 14, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Home Consolidated wrote: > Does anyone know the date this year? > > Ken Gano ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jagmog@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 18:57:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F015D424C7 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:57:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4F534248D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:57:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7059 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2013 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.102.53) by smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.33) with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2013 01:53:56 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: References: <012601cdf29a$16893ab0$439bb010$@uprichard.net> <513240486.2678545.1358199773635.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:53:57 -0500 Thread-Index: AQI0lVFjbysvbCKDq183/mHnPQGpMpd8W22Q Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, 'Randall' Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks! I heard somewhere about a guy (possibly in New Hampshire) who refurbishes these regulators with solid-state hardware. Anyone know more about this? Andrew From: fogbro1@comcast.net [mailto:fogbro1@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:43 PM To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Randall; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue 9 times out of 10, the points are dirty. It's probably not the correct material to use, but I've run a piece of 320 wet or dry between the points with great success. Ed _____ From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "Randall" , triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:59:46 PM Subject: [TR] charging issue I had posted a question about a charging issue in my newly-restored TR3. I thought I had made an error in converting from positive to negative ground, but it was Randall who suggested I look elsewhere. I had excluded the regulator, as I had tried TWO others without success, but today I tried a FOURTH and all is well. So Randall was right (again)..... Does this guy ever tire of all his successes ??? One final question: I now have three regulators which aren't working: Are they worth fixing/re-calibrating, and if so, who would do it? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 20:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BF64253E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3738442531 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:16:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id o2G01k0010bG4ec583DKGp; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:13:19 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id o3DK1k00L2ymm843P3DKCm; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:13:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:13:19 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List s=q20121106; t=1358219599; bh=uLzPhkjQRNlrV4l58ETShGbKSYNB4dx9GUrOx3uMKSI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=oXmO+BZ6znCrdWGz3jh9KhjtTaoAhfOi5NSr8Gj7Jj5Y41QAlnupdRYzqmFLbUTvX ru9tQsexp/MVfgjSfhq+CgqjX5rtELYzVoclQCi7eFYxrjK6qgoFCe+8RYu30Ddx2o RcUl8oMuLGsjKInUFrkAEIhr0PgPWXcnF95V5dzK/8Oyg6U3CVJbajUxmpOp0UvXtb fXskyyA7ZA5qpplecbDeq26XF2pzRrejOnS0uK6dqv/fqwvkw5EG9VFtNSpVmI1AnU Uguh1W8+4GibUvDAM48ULZxTnsNiZ+H7ZsQUQFj7sbacgVvUA5meJFURqa/ypeMIf5 FCF91OXEGnr2Q== Subject: [TR] Testing OD Solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After replacing the throwout beraring on my '59 TR3A, I thought I would take advantage of the transmission being exposed and trouble shoot why my OD was not working. My question to the list is with the ignition turned on but the engine off, I can throw the OD switch and hear the solenoid click on and off, but I see no movement of the plunger. When testing it this way, should I see any movement or is this all internal and therefore ou would only hear the engagement? On another note, those on the list from PA, I just got my vintage plate registered for my TR3A. Yes, PA finally woke up and now allows you to register a vintage PA plate. It must be the same year as your car and the plate cannot show up in anyone else's name. Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 21:29:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1329742542 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:29:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B135424D1 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:28:46 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iojicCjnjkMA:10 a=aoD3mVH93qtV_3fvfXsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=aoZ5M6P00hm66gzMXFyOyw==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.107] ([10.128.132.107:55385] helo=hrndva-web16-z01) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 3D/CF-03129-82AD4F05; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:25:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:25:12 -0600 From: To: Lee&John Howard , Jay Holekamp Sensitivity: Normal Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have only seen them with a black wrinkle finish. Learn something new everyday. Think i still have a decent original somewhere. Will sell quite reasonably if a Lister needs one. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 21:29:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFBD42542 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:29:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD27342531 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:29:37 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iojicCjnjkMA:10 a=aoD3mVH93qtV_3fvfXsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=aoZ5M6P00hm66gzMXFyOyw==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.107] ([10.128.132.107:55398] helo=hrndva-web16-z01) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F9/BB-01424-C5AD4F05; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:26:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 4:26:04 +0000 From: To: Lee&John Howard , Jay Holekamp Sensitivity: Normal Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR] TR4 Dash Bracket (Radio) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have only seen them with a black wrinkle finish. Learn something new everyday. Think i still have a decent original somewhere. Will sell quite reasonably if a Lister needs one. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 21:48:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244D34254D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:48:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F17642538 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:48:11 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=FXMAjZauMWoA:10 a=RzkJ6StbAAAA:8 a=U3JyJZ2Dqv0U-kfWOfAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6F/EF-25866-4BED4F05; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:44:37 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:39 -0800 Thread-Index: AQI0lVFjbysvbCKDq183/mHnPQGpMpd8W22QgAAvoXA= Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Thanks! I heard somewhere about a guy (possibly in New > Hampshire) who refurbishes these regulators with solid-state > hardware. Anyone know more about this? I believe that would be Wilton Auto Electric, in Wilton, NH. http://www.wiltonae.com/products/index.aspx No personal experience, but I've heard from several happy customers. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 14 21:59:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDC74253E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:59:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1534C40520 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id o4Yp1k0041HpZEsA74vzyt; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:55:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id o4vx1k00F4L5TyG8a4vy7F; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:55:58 +0000 From: Bud R To: suhringtr36@comcast.net Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:55:57 -0700 References: <1329721138.2522042.1358219599445.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1358225759; bh=hPRRq1qAHeFWVxXTerNa1F8XrVD+sg9CfCI8DgF/Sfs=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=rVfW+by2NqsRJt7mZRIuRdW+0baK3ZqU8yzT22t63+hJGmQcrE9TvjyK0FEUnwBrm 5mhE2qfWKKBAvX65wSf4ickHtTcnDg+QUAuQYEZJ2xQDxSerExQ3ky325WxiLcO9ZW NY0LPMTSf39oVkFMNNToE+2IUB/zhnjQVkIpDcNUYXx3WkVHGh89nYsdgquMQaoX9p dNNyLgCz9zrKss3lju/Klniz/u0vzN9F3EjAUqL/6s8vvy9WAEJgalOBSnGrxvMUKE 97OplC1XYacLNGUy00nO0CNV5rFr4/LyyOdii4EFAxAQfoiDJHcwF74Wboek+/unJ2 kNanL5m9Sm7Wg== Cc: Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] Testing OD Solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a recent experience with the same symptoms on my OD. Usually it means the solenoid is bad, but NOT always. I switched solenoids (I had a spare from another OD handy) and it did the same thing, clicked but didn't move the plunger. Turns out the OD relay was bad. It had enough voltage to make the solenoid click but didn't send enough current to the solenoid to pull the plunger up. Put in a new relay and all was good. Strange behavior and it wasn't mentioned in Dan Master's book. Had me going until someone on the list explained that it's current that provides the umph to move the plunger not the voltage which only makes the solenoid do a click and not a pull. There's two circuits in the solenoid one to pull the plunger and one to hold it so if it doesn't get pulled no OD. Apparently OD relays can burn the points and reduce the current to the solenoid. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 14, 2013, at 8:13 PM, suhringtr36@comcast.net wrote: > After replacing the throwout beraring on my '59 TR3A, I thought I > would take advantage of the transmission being exposed and trouble > shoot why my OD was not working. My question to the list is with > the ignition turned on but the engine off, I can throw the OD switch > and hear the solenoid click on and off, but I see no movement of the > plunger. When testing it this way, should I see any movement or is > this all internal and therefore ou would only hear the engagement? > > On another note, those on the list from PA, I just got my vintage > plate registered for my TR3A. Yes, PA finally woke up and now > allows you to register a vintage PA plate. It must be the same year > as your car and the plate cannot show up in anyone else's name. > > Scott Suhring > Mechanicsburg, PA > '70 TR6 > '59 TR3A > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 01:00:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD0C42542 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:00:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B61242485 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:00:08 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=gCePmIYH2iIA:10 a=QPDfG_6Gi12yiUeFoFkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E3/EF-25887-2BB05F05; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:56:34 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:56:36 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3yzpfxvNJZVevlRgySVPNfbx0eagAJGGOw Subject: Re: [TR] Testing OD Solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My > question to the list is with the ignition turned on but the > engine off, I can throw the OD switch and hear the solenoid > click on and off, but I see no movement of the plunger. When > testing it this way, should I see any movement or is this all > internal and therefore ou would only hear the engagement? Normally, you should be able to see the plunger pull up into the solenoid. However with no pressure in the OD (or if the adjustment has slipped), the plunger may have not fallen back down. If it is already up, you might not see it move. Move it to be sure it is down and try again. And as Bud already pointed out, check the voltage right at the solenoid with the solenoid still connected. The solenoid draws a big wad of current when it moves, so any little resistance in the circuit (like a dodgy connection or a bad relay) will keep it from getting the current it needs. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 08:02:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116C14255F for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:02:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64070403F5 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:02:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3F2AF1C00013D; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-doa004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id ED827E000086; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358261949; bh=zR/G1cF2PcMV9LfOx2Uq+V75IdMPNz5wQKCqH1s2csM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NypDZfmsNWga/tm5Q2reVFgp4HLH/NhwVjZDrLncdC0GKU//7NojCr8+tiOWGnLTE rusC+1SgMT2HEkHXFkT3r1bexULHaIzV3apZfviytwCnUTDl9lUZGEypv84Qz0Z7UF agAg/oMagXIp27hMQZ+uTwK0HWEeBT0cSk+qy6PU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca50f56ebc5d65 Subject: Re: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, IMHO.....I prefer the last of the "roundtail" Spit's - the 1970 Mark 3.....the front bumper was raised enough to be a little more effective yet the soft styling was still maintained. The engine was still strong enough to have a lot of fun with (pre USA emissions stuff)..... Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 1/14/2013 12:12:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wsb1960tr3a@att.net writes: I drive TR's and am not very familiar with Spitfires. I have a friend at work looking for a good restored Spitfire. Are any years better than others? Did they rework the rear suspension at some point to get rid of wheel tuck & hop? Any engines better than others? Does anyone have a good Spitfire on the West coast that they would like to see go to a good home? TIA, -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 08:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CBF4256E for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:33:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAE1403F8 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.82.105.224] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2013 15:29:49 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.123] by tm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2013 15:29:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2013 15:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 4954 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2013 15:29:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358263788; bh=XVRSEfVLIRpUiBFO9xIBKiMjADSlHbvmtx8+uLxg0vI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sd4bgdNExTuH2GE2CrmawB4KbEn9J+3WV0CdP4m3B4xn26768IOl41dXBv30njB0uxL2Bhzp4I5aistGLE6SMbRapRLoHDXpnthA4aOKpm83jIAAIEtX9Zye2PrVQ5WHAEPZI2XByPJWj/xtwA/tWBMWhU6yJq3kyS+gRbELOS0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lb3HFdv4Szu8n+beRe8kA1KHdqOmZpquhB2qSoVdHIRkMQMj/3aH4CuMoISMEGxHnsTf/D1LOsjETeDOfrJT1Yt3CP4hMZw1uGz19VDmrCmUQ6TNzRbl7lBr9w/F8Y1pHAqmt97uG3x+ZsvAEZnYuHWTX8NRM2r4uU0ksPA9zsw=; fXl_0xyFBXMoB86ChkntWZeizhyd8urgYChopUN04kF923D.xsNHoZds64WP kqcJ2AYQR_wEQkC2_QOkCTjqkckL0Ilrxrm_oQ3O4R0HTLZGC2tT5K2py7q_ _hIFGTEzF4nnDyNe845BXk3QVa3FgzPHKeW9b5ADtQVYE_Zzl1g9.ZVcjlW8 iK8LpO58.T7qK.se1YvS1ovC0UqOHd35FgyCwZkT.qELQ5i.3ISJRvcJ76yl Z9dWjw8DZipwTlXpDPSc6rroT974cSFmn.hCex74REOJWsHPA4OdHTjrkK.8 5Dle0JFt.1G.Zq4uta1lHH4DY7lDAYbfvYUTaHe_RO9eHrltVp280dqgEqVD NrFXMABXxCuQkiWBvfmPW16ymdlbmwxkcLXSRHw3H4ZT9Fv2telTKCKsiwPL K8yGa Received: from [90.199.100.98] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:29:48 GMT SWYgSSB3YXMgbG9va2luZyBmb3IgYSBTcGl0ZmlyZSBhbmQgaGF2aW5nIGRyaXZlbiBhbGwgdmFyaWFudHMgZG93biB0aGUgeWVhcnMgYXMgbmV3IGFuZCB1c2VkIGNhcnMsIEl0J3MgYSBvbmUgaG9yc2UgcmFjZSBpbiBmYXZvdXIgb2YgdGhlIE1rIDMgd2l0aCB0aGUgMTI5NmNjIHNtYWxsIGJlYXJpbmcgZW5naW5lLCB3aXRoIG5vIGVhcmx5IGVtaXNzaW9uIGNvbnRyb2wgdHJhc2jCoGFuZCBhbiBvdmVyZHJpdmUuIFRoYXQgdGlja3MgYWxsIHRoZSBib3hlcyEKVGhlIE1rIElWIHdpdGggdGhlIDEzMDAgZW4BMAEBAQE- References: <389.2e0b0fa0.3e26c8bc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:29:48 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: "wsb1960tr3a@att.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Best Year Spitfire? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If I was looking for a Spitfire and having driven all variants down the years as new and used cars, It's a one horse race in favour of the Mk 3 with the 1296cc small bearing engine, with no early emission control trash and an overdrive. That ticks all the boxes! The Mk IV with the 1300 engine wasn't nearly as much fun and I found the 1500 to be a big disappointment except for the fact that it held the road better. Let's face it, rear-end breakaway up to the days of the 'swing spring' was always a prominent Spitfire feature and it all adds up to the enjoyment of driving one. There's only one better alternative in the rear end drama department and that's either a Mk 1 GT6 or a Mk 1 2 litre Vitesse without the GT6 lower wishbone set up. Best laxatives known to man on a wet road with bias ply tyres as many of them had ex factory! Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 11:48:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF6A42572 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:48:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F03640E82 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oJkp1k00153lu5001Jkrte; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:44:51 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <6F.EF.25866.4BED4F05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:44:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe wilton also takes the old analog devices and puts in a digital interior. unless you open them you can't tell the difference. I have heard may people extol their praises -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:44 PM Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue > Thanks! I heard somewhere about a guy (possibly in New > Hampshire) who refurbishes these regulators with solid-state > hardware. Anyone know more about this? I believe that would be Wilton Auto Electric, in Wilton, NH. http://www.wiltonae.com/products/index.aspx No personal experience, but I've heard from several happy customers. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 13:41:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9A94257F for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E0B42558 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 92CC41C000198 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dbc003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.198]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4DFD4E000081 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 99.153.218.56 by Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:37:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358282275; bh=Y1MRBnyx50chSv+eG3vqs8UdVoRFVvESAhphTUGdNmc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gAygu6bZB0HJkQRfzpziKQ6r8XISR9tsypLGAJEQoXvSQ9SiPxcd70jolbtGJVzRh 7kUD8gqTZTW7Kc/ZW2qf7BWsHbHbCHoybOv/I/10oxBWEbtOOkJGWzEdho/JCCdxhz IUvTmlt6kEUosD9PFElmZu2WKpb2wHtmpbedXEPk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b50f5be230c91 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 radio brackets & overrider struts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the shout-out Joe, The other guy, who input measurements into CAD plotter for manufacturing drawings was Kurtis Jones.. wow, back in 2005.. Ps; I also made detailed drawings of the two TR4 front bumper overrider 'struts' which would be easy enough to replicate with 5/8" steel tubing - and all TR4s should have them! Regards, Carl (Sereda) '63 TR4 since '74 Carl Sereda fails to mention that he is responsible for the replicated generic panel offered by Moss. Based on dimensions and information supplied by Carl and another enthusiast, we decided to make 50, and it didnt make any difference if it lost money. We did it because we could and we were being encouraged to do so.. The basic dimensions and angles are precisely the same as OEM. We sold the initial 50 and have had several runs since then. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 18:11:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D58F42907 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:11:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE418428F1 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:11:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-283.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.241.27] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TvHTe-0003Fn-66 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:07:38 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:07:37 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: [TR] TR Radio/Console Bracket Responses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A summary of what listers had to say. The SPC says there were two different brackets with a change at 8379CT/8380CT. One lister says there were three different brackets (62, 63, 64) and he has all three. The third one being similar to the second but with different cut-outs for the knobs. Some of those were vinyl and some were wrinkle finish. One lister says the TRA judging guideline claims they were black wrinkle finish. Two listers indicate they have disassembled numerous TR4s and they were all black wrinkle finish. Specific examples from listers were: Black Wrinkle Finish 2 64/65 1 64 1 63/64 2 62 Black Vinyl (glued vinyl material, not vinyl covered foam as in TR4As) 1 62 1 (unknown year or commission #) 1 64 My conclusions: both vinyl and wrinkle finish were used. I think perhaps the vinyl was used early and the wrinkle finish later but am surprised at the two 62s with wrinkle finish and the one 64 with vinyl. Thanks to all those original owners who replied. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 22:08:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E116429B6 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:08:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EC442927 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oUDg1k00216AWCUABV4vSw; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:04:55 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oV4u1k00C2yr1eL8SV4uxZ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:04:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:04:54 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Dave s=q20121106; t=1358312695; bh=luOrUO7RKb2VmEsGKeUcvnwXGKrfGModHTGuZ44x4nw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cKplZ+xFmzLJbYUtrSlt4+pfa9fy76tHkOMvPuQeh5KOSbSrzUit+zMd5nQWh/83f OQQuTJMH4k/nVjXytc6k5XOpp3fqEcat9sNkMW1RjB4LIxwQSxfSF550ycVGSZqG3j GoHdSLh5utHJka2Tulr0JXz+lF85rn9b1taB8qrEhHuqC+bFZirP9W1PtCg39ra1bW v1fWj2Ivs2iXLRnhld8UOvS0aDJzh/OzlSMbz58GTDuo3Ahuk0gM3MVtVVzzy07gJ2 Mu38iGQBRrpdvvNzELcn/U9QJgZT7rzPKX/XUc9GNQfjfRK1Ovv7UMN+yh4QGuNvh5 n9u6fueYxk45g== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net APT did the tach on my Europa. Rock-solid. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:44:29 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue > I believe wilton also takes the old analog devices and puts in a > digital > interior. unless you open them you can't tell the difference. I have > heard > may people extol their praises > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:44 PM > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] charging issue > > > Thanks! I heard somewhere about a guy (possibly in New > > Hampshire) who refurbishes these regulators with solid-state > > hardware. Anyone know more about this? > > I believe that would be Wilton Auto Electric, in Wilton, NH. > http://www.wiltonae.com/products/index.aspx > > No personal experience, but I've heard from several happy customers. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 15 23:53:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B78429B3 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:53:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65A74298A for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so483405bkw.26 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:49:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Wu/PCRuMjZHKah+XqTa7eMWy11hOqqd1gzS96RXMMJk=; b=sdhs9LOOmYY2IQ9UWbWXfPlwt+ZTEeMqd+eRIQdyY/o59yeVWd4YxkD9n1ktOKdjKI lma7Kb9k/BfvbhFsZlcPxFHYSiFc8mXClJfBLqDG44nNXyPJxDaaYTg9FlRqRxKHh6HL +yOHh7L8nMLREBgV/JbV2aNjX9QJr9EqsfzSJLu341dDnyzpleT63uSWEFf3uWgvpLJF BsWqfZ4h1hr3OQaWZI6B8IOrZ5aVW5l+VTQavoVIhOcm1+3CZitUDEVLTXT324krQJa5 6wnF3nWnzzGTrohHwMMBzhaLA9/ArogUZWOVzbkBrhoz1O6XAhS0/MY5xF6o9hvsY26L k61A== Received: by 10.204.9.22 with SMTP id j22mr40807102bkj.114.1358318995724; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.199.144 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:49:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:49:55 -0800 From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather send them off than fiddle with them myself. Thanks! -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 04:50:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E234429B9 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:50:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899E0428F4 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id dr13so781589wgb.25 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:46:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=y8dw19UL1sDcsVb6BnCge0OAYxw+s3OBNUQSYfIWAEE=; b=FR4Et3SOfoQAmL/Nu4F+GM9o2lm0qlDQCk2sl6nVXwddO7w31XETCXW8ZNz+XLtcAy TamaTz95TB2EB5uvklvSDEvsWRPy+Zw7op5akK4v+yeZaSnPzmkscLG3YM3kQHVn6gTB uHcLhRj4Yan0uVs2OAWqh3XpIZtIWPKh8LfrbzamdEF9oys1eHAJqPZ1rbalKSqFdOcb O7IZFJ7ytu0Oz/bJTtCgiC3lG0Wzb7h3JVD9iPynqVbSxn6tsChmBzfGbWkWKwJl6v3e sXNybZccCqGzlX7dVDDDfp3AYOf3cg7oy2ZHEJS9Yn0uc4v2/+mqYKFIW6CVvzcbhO4f LBiA== fa3mr1643096wid.8.1358336779870; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.91.134 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:46:19 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:46:19 -0600 From: Irv Korey To: Malcolm Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street > parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! > > Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have > SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 > tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather > send them off than fiddle with them myself. > joecurtoinc.com NFI Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 05:22:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8989A429D2 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:22:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD4B427DF for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:22:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170132pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MGP00HSLWVIU140@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:18:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from 70.192.199.115 ([70.192.199.115]) by vznit170132 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:18:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:18:54 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: emanteno@comcast.net, malcolm@ipatch.ca Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Paltech tech - www.paltech1.com Jeff does great work. Craig 72 tr6 On 01/16/13, Irv Korey wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street > parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! > > Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have > SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 > tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather > send them off than fiddle with them myself. > joecurtoinc.com NFI Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 06:57:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD2D429D2 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:57:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCD1429D7 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:53:17 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:53:16 -0600 References: To: Malcolm Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I sent my HS6's to Paltech. Very happy with his work. On Jan 16, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street > parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! > > Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have > SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 > tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather > send them off than fiddle with them myself. > > Thanks! > > -Malcolm > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 08:57:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743924297A for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2052442934 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ob0p1k0010bG4ec5FftLa3; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:53:20 +0000 Received: from [10.233.85.138] ([174.252.147.30]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oft71k00T0fb49J3Pft9GA; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:53:18 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?SXJ2IEtvcmV5?=" ,"Malcolm" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:53:18 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1358351600; bh=wqmVT4WhNclXabeImaqwPhFam8w+3Z8QMU+FMpmM8aI=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k0Bf9f17jjFr2G4iKH+jZ2s6liyiRhy6foZYwhq1e7wOgd7bcfiddXMzENNSVd4yb 7PRLcMSWXftPblRAr4vjLXCfGplhGV4eq/BD5H02/tFm95LDGT+qGkJIFIORnOMlgE uVspKW2rOV1DJ+woyQhRjjUuJTliaDTAuogsdf5CvWi4UbARL6wUy9yQusHx1gAi2J bpqRpC1D2mC7KiK4u8UeQidJ7DZ/83I2fgyYcHKYHxKPvGFxrW3/aEzZEg4mVRf3jL 8BamPFV2gTXoGTdy7EMjBdnLnblM1fPVHg4YIhgIcwmIhXzTVlkrZmJFltCij8Dfb9 rVH8MQuJBa5mA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Carb_rebuild_/_reaming?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curto. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: "Malcolm" Cc: Subject: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 05:46 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street > parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! > > Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have > SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 > tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather > send them off than fiddle with them myself. > joecurtoinc.com NFI Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 09:31:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CEF1429C9 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:31:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE04D42937 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 16:27:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.8] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 16:27:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 16:27:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358353669; bh=TdWl3XbrLe8WWZvlQpRxIT1v4BnufZagRaUNWaL0ZUU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=EGm5eZiilMiWis3O0BS2jXFq4WZ8iqA1u0vlzUZ78W/6xjxGmkj4Da2TEvik272nPUQ69mKcrMO1opaj03KXosck3ALQg+OKYMyy3N20Y7WXaSdbNOCz7b58TjXNocEjV+95JtvEXH/1q1Uya/p5yqeSeaSSYVRpFwYxrwKVe4Q= wM1qYss64QqxfOy5jhsDR2qYsn2PfmQhcGdf2GAnE_Vn0qUApFu1rpnRVAJj wc_z34r1xJdT.Kmpwirg1Vlbdlfm3iw6.UKkMjseLObyf9zlabXIjlimKeWv K.pjMin0J8Rv3TECq0zQ2B5kx4fiS7SiaedataUTb56TjykiLfe2O3gpils0 XibLxwHlJIRX42P3HQAbukYhew7ls9IMkildj1PtXg8qZcSINqX_8uZButOT lQ6BDjtA7JUNejEWebM_jfa81i2_N9BVetVpTwXdAWFZXHP3e7h1mYXXVHOn FmaJuQ2Zs67693WLsHwP29smVUSYVGca2vi86T_Acez4UuPQwXhfcA2hBjvC hSCBucJhLPrK1WJTFpvXBhVDHbifmLuKJ8rwla28IPQPRZnuTnhctP3o8_Qy GwCQ7a4KmM7u1b1MyW23dhpVRo5WS1p7pMW32sQcVzbD.JrlVRJJ2dDHvHtE Ji2pUQuA10tMsCyWFz5x5LnVRMfrd0LJmTKzXTkXGGobWp5qE32MkqgHhxWk Bv92FDBwAZi8ou21BQvsKW_0fQGo- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp108.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2013 08:27:49 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Malcolm'" , References: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:27:39 -0600 thread-index: Ac3zteIBe1pogCU7SnGPrDb8FgtwZgAT6unw Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would recommend Joe C as well, NFI. BTW, AUC768 is an older SU that was not used after the 1958 TR3. The main tell is the fuel connections on the float bowls. Do you have a 'banjo' connector for your fuel line attachment (2-way on the front and 1-way on the rear)? OR, are the connections made directly into the lid of the bowl? Depending on your commission number, the correct carb for your car might be an HS6. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Malcolm Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:50 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Hi List, Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather send them off than fiddle with them myself. Thanks! -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 09:32:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74854429C7 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:32:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E88142937 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:32:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.164] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 16:28:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 16:28:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 51962 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2013 16:28:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358353739; bh=xjBMLlCRVxp0UbsFy1S4Yw4UrZWXS7mXeb4TA0cty60=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ik2x61OGr/6xcc79I4NM7dY9yeOBtdncBuzsH7AB3wyCstg/ywirXSGL2GKooMKt/AyX0NH4NGU4iguUVuuIlMWRse6ENybvoIe9ZFMXc/1GajdaLeE0w0kvtGUlAzkfrWMGwG5TlSEU8/Ocmc+e3X5cDEDIa8EyQhmTbcvULB0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i4BTNMm5Yh34OGiBNnZUfPsE2yd+eckTJb15E2HmDFveR1f51I58Y4DiJT/Io9QzIMoPLkrIWKCQ3cRTb1cH1qbfFsAEM+GWrQNIaYtnQ4IZQpUc382MtSa24ObVw+HKGLqAaWLp4KVRUewpqX/OFXgR9gbfCC8U7X4LwBtSkz8=; 47Z1DpPXB27Jrj0CWTo3rkD0Jnt4DDU8h3r7B8eVn09y8dHoU4cHNX_c7cA9 ynvqLiaAdVCSuczfvfSvQBLLIwVqbPkvjdx5bqdQmJNRw93ClnZFqGLbCmca hzUwDtAPZKksY_A6RxOSlQ.nuUp.jDjeya5oeLBvMrGZexfRlupK3OSCDVA_ jUdeqmfvYa_ts_KS3Ze_B4OBwyosHmUN08V4frNVRKzjIZD4pC_p7AFwazGm ZF7EvzVv4vyS0f_SCLZpXgmKHdQMsbRIRXRt97z30ogb9nIxJbx6qp56_hiY 2na.7TM.XogWdCJZFoFsfUudmjMA0hW7mFFTepc3X6LL65HjOGJxs_aKxFpk f4KPQANEP3o69Uqwp_x2JdMxjIcOTPVf6pc8beY0HvvqgdsqKXeTTEd8WzR0 qvIFaAT5.I4oucTgvjRKQQIwigMhJ_JKkPzB3YndXYma4iBz_B3AZIaXuHad Flrq6NfwWfWl9kmG1jcH7 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:28:58 PST TWFsY29sbQppIGhhdmUganVzdCB3b3JrZWQgb24gdGhpcyAyIHdlZWtzIGFnbyBteXNlbGYuCndoYXQgaSBmb3VuZCB3aXRoIG15IGNhcmJzIHdhcyB0aGUgZXhpc3RpbmcgYnVzaGluZ3Mgd2hlcmUgb25seSBldmVyIHNvIHNsaWdodGx5IG91dCBvZiB0b2xlcmFuY2UuIGxpa2UgMC4wMDE1IHRvIDAuMDAyLgppIGZvdW5kIG15IHNoYWZ0cyBob3dldmVyIHdoZXJlIGFzIG11Y2ggYXMgMC4wMTUgdW5kZXIgc2l6ZSBhdCB0aGUgYnVzaGluZy4KaSBzaW1wbHkgcmVwbGFjZWQgdGhlIHNoYWZ0cyBhbmQgaGF2ZSABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Malcolm , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Malcolm i have just worked on this 2 weeks ago myself. what i found with my carbs was the existing bushings where only ever so slightly out of tolerance. like 0.0015 to 0.002. i found my shafts however where as much as 0.015 under size at the bushing. i simply replaced the shafts and have my idle down to where it will stall if i wind the screws all the way out. your results may vary. Frank From: Malcolm To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:49 PM Subject: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Hi List, Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather send them off than fiddle with them myself. Thanks! -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 11:05:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73311429C8 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:05:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA45242593 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:04:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 176E41C00009A; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-doa004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.13]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E4ED6E00008E; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) To: malcolm@ipatch.ca, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358359243; bh=2wgtWx4mss0w6fOqA5C5wuLDy/AliwHKSesLVq0WwRw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ceKpEmKMcDJnEBFkm4ETlElCR7rY7bHPS73wHKMGwv2qOj5A07hEewncgxzsRXFsS uuzKDlV9JJ47oWqstKTPjLccNbthA5ydEPevU61V5FQW75I7iPFCAzCDoZlDdv93RL wLFPRvRYmMdEgcKfvr7XcmME9C50bl/fbUl3PzKo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c850f6eaca5c83 Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curto! In a message dated 1/16/2013 1:50:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, malcolm@ipatch.ca writes: Hi List, Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I have SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather send them off than fiddle with them myself. Thanks! -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 12:19:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55CE4284E for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:19:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D01B8400A4 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:14:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 32161 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2013 19:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.138.90.252) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.239) with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2013 19:11:10 -0000 From: "Dave" To: "G.D. Huggins" , "Malcolm" References: <07BF8861-B1E3-45D2-8746-42F5DDB938B9@genfiniti.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:09:13 -0600 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net paltech will have your carbs looking like jewelry. I have had two sets done there. -----Original Message----- From: G.D. Huggins Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:53 AM To: Malcolm Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming I sent my HS6's to Paltech. Very happy with his work. On Jan 16, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Malcolm wrote: > Hi List, > > Finally got the TR4 started, so it could do the 500 foot drive from street > parking to get it inside the shop. Now the work begins! > > Can anyone recommend a place to have my carbs rebuilt and rebushed? I > have > SU H6 AUC768 and they are missing a few original parts (like the AUC768 > tag!) that I would like to replace. The shafts are leaking and I'd rather > send them off than fiddle with them myself. > > Thanks! > > -Malcolm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 14:53:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FF1429FF for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:53:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BB4429ED for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.105.156]) by p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id olpg1k0033NUyKq01lpgoE; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:49:46 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:49:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac30MxVGi8WXdDp1RYqLDZGP+PyHuQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My previous TR3s both had all-synchro gearboxes. The small-mouth, obviously, does not. I am putting a replacement tunnel in the car and am realizing I may have to cut a hole for the dipstick, since I don't see a level plug on the side, as the previous gearboxes had. Any alternative to an ugly big hole in the tunnel? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 15:10:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E2142A93 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:10:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E1E42A1A for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:08:36 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=K9KxW0O0m9cA:10 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=pVnjUD19YjhY2u2p7kwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:47096] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E1/11-26261-50427F05; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:04:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:04:53 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Andrew Uprichard Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I am putting a replacement tunnel in the car and am realizing I may have to > cut a hole for the dipstick, since I don't see a level plug on the side, as > the previous gearboxes had. Any alternative to an ugly big hole in the > tunnel? 1) Cut a nice, clean hole rather than an ugly one 2) Install a later gearbox (the 3 synchro boxes after TS50,000 had a plug on the side). 3) Add a plug in the side. #1 would actually be my choice, as I really like having the dipstick. In fact, the TR6 gearbox in my TR3 has a dipstick installed. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 15:24:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2D342A45 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:24:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9091740E4C for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:21:53 -0700 (MST) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=pTzqZbqM9tkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=K9KxW0O0m9cA:10 a=5zoQ0Gc23Y0hMOKoh7EA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:57228] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2F/2C-26261-32727F05; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:18:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:18:10 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Andrew Uprichard References: <018f01cdf433$69572280$3c056780$@uprichard.net> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, The tunnel and transmission I am using on my 58 are from a 57 SM and I really like the dipstick as opposed to the side fill on my 4 and 6. The snaps on the carpet make it easy to access to check/ and fill. I believe TRF provides the rubber grommet. I sort of wish all Triumphs retained this setup. I had some old original carpet with a snapped flap for the dipstick. But the current carpet sets seem to have left it out. Also, the hole is smaller than the one used to access the grease zerk behind the shifter. Bob On 01/16/2013 04:49 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > My previous TR3s both had all-synchro gearboxes. The small-mouth, > obviously, does not. > > > > I am putting a replacement tunnel in the car and am realizing I may have to > cut a hole for the dipstick, since I don't see a level plug on the side, as > the previous gearboxes had. Any alternative to an ugly big hole in the > tunnel? > > Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 15:27:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A32042AAD for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:27:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FAC403A6 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 675821C00011D; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dse001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dse001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.227.193]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2D9A4E00008A; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:23:30 -0500 (EST) To: tr3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net, auprichard@uprichard.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358375011; bh=ykvUkSjqZlnzihsKY9rEx4IEkPqLC3LPhtCjl3MQnLY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RZdooaSoJ4y/lnYTd+11/4hRieT1I0TXjQX95C0KHWHFGdjijy/vIzlOc96GQoLY7 pcsxA0hHeHj5ZlJ8g84sXGBAEVj83ukOIV/grBwnU+/bsDXgrG7NHfy6N/RNfnZ/7l tNTRsbLQMM3JKqc2xCJTSGj3wg1nl/xY9tTloSlM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50f728635459 Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree; I like the dipstick. The hole is small (small enough for me ("big fingers") to struggle a bit to get the dipstick out..., not ugly or a problem, covered by the tunnel carpet and dead easy to check before going out on a run. No need to get under the car. Tim TS22930LO In a message dated 16/01/2013 5:07:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tr3driver@ca.rr.com writes: ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I am putting a replacement tunnel in the car and am realizing I may have to > cut a hole for the dipstick, since I don't see a level plug on the side, as > the previous gearboxes had. Any alternative to an ugly big hole in the > tunnel? 1) Cut a nice, clean hole rather than an ugly one 2) Install a later gearbox (the 3 synchro boxes after TS50,000 had a plug on the side). 3) Add a plug in the side. #1 would actually be my choice, as I really like having the dipstick. In fact, the TR6 gearbox in my TR3 has a dipstick installed. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 16:00:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABFA429E6 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:00:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518EC40E33 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:00:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 22:56:54 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.122] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 22:56:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 22:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 31162 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2013 22:56:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358377014; bh=2F9duH9dPpsnB+AC1hnU4k6V2PFWN1QFjZL0YGv9yvc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z4NmEechmLTlX7piOqetwoFlG/AylHn3Scum/7UgpwU2Nj1/NRBXyrEq5zsE3Ewo9neMVHCRGAT9d6w6LyYBaYMCbPGX4ZoJI5VC7fJmjKrsg+hxtxcS82gpYgGbQtrOuYQaHhb7cOtlqg9Zss1mr6L2PPG4YPNdcw6aorf6WXc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1e44W5wCrfXWR1rvgV5bcZmqvI6fh480+L/dX20vXnvvm1C9dScgGnxonGi9As7938CIQ6MqmUvnMjL1TYV8t7SjLtm5KKnwAK5BKOioKzcg3vxNmJhXGCKwQD3LJVywxPu917OIHGbi0HVl/caDK+ffeocuwDvAxDypOfk+WPg=; xT2E1T78HEeg8FlAMiAgzXd4sO35QEUxR.ZYjIX5WSq1Nqzr1nv1FSgYJo53 m2.EPrLQgPgSAj6GyqBiV1GjkilZLN9tUBAXrieh3R2TrlWculKozgSggdUi Y37lfG.0CVJ2WK.ut7DELcGhOs5hNhFpQdmutidn3Fo9t4MhTA1sNMQHw1HD tmjFiEKov1EkooFjfdBjO3frq_8DB2_sJovmVDC2aTD9TP7i75WUbZW1lskT j_7Jxn7On7vpX9s_9NGnf7vz3ALIPrrFhopwjbEsM.YVlI0H3AzkQ4tcPoxF XWvBAup2KvJJDHhYr8juMgP_a2XSvAArAh3Yp9FUtpr6l_72vOLl9kd9I_KH EapB5fAQwP_Koh02qYk80JR7myNQVJBvafkprQwJn6Au8fddsSvORUzVNdfl ZmIZx Received: from [90.199.100.98] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:56:54 GMT Qm9iIExhYnV6IHdyb3RlOgo8SSBzb3J0IG9mIHdpc2ggYWxsIFRyaXVtcGhzIHJldGFpbmVkIHRoaXMgc2V0dXAuPgrCoApJIGFsc28gc29ydCBvZiB3aXNoIFRyaXVtcGhzIHJldGFpbmVkIG1hbnkgb3RoZXIgZmVhdHVyZXMgdGhhdCB3ZXJlIGFiYW5kb25lZCBvbiBwdXJlbHkgY29zdCBncm91bmRzIC0gbGlrZToKwqAKYmVpbmcgYWJsZSB0byBkcmFpbiByZWFyIGF4bGVzIGluc3RlYWQgb2YgYXNzdXJpbmcgdGhlIGN1c3RvbWVyICJ0aGUgb2lsIHdhcyBnb29kIGZvciBsaWZlLiIKUmVtb3ZpbmcgZmxpdGMBMAEBAQE- References: <018f01cdf433$69572280$3c056780$@uprichard.net> <50F72722.4080203@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:56:54 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Bob Labuz Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Labuz wrote: I also sort of wish Triumphs retained many other features that were abandoned on purely cost grounds - like: being able to drain rear axles instead of assuring the customer "the oil was good for life." Removing flitch panels in critical places that accelerated rust Fitting smaller radiators Fitting inadequate sized front brakes on FWD saloons, then fitting a booster to improve braking Using inferior quality alloys on the Slant 4 and Stag engines - until reliability issues forced the upgrade as specified by Engineering the list is a long one. I wish I could remember some of the rest of it :) Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 16:53:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0894297C for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:53:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F767422E5 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 23:49:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.201] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 23:49:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2013 23:49:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358380161; bh=FIgsmee9WkqcSPcX4IlVQeK2BiC7NBvTu3IWtJUQWSY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=Dj1q1DKzxzoOK67zXT26dZ7x0ggYE9DHb9g1xn0FWTf05ub7RDvTwvfe8pHpseg85YbplAkg9X9eHS32gaxa3shXXK6tw16hPgwhowpHyp9ZRKkNYbDwjslN0vAiH+X79OZMcD3KH0kUim66vN4MamZ03CcdmPGsDt/gUgpzTmc= SzdbKIj.3pNUTD_EvJDj5BMVTL4Uw4G.hLA.PciU3YwDCljpYMgwWHBrqX8F Nhno3uJtgGZjiau0KwV_dCwV76NcZa8RskhY0EsRklzIFf_ArWKAFhQxOCyu 1h.LBOnQ_rsQ.i.pXTNLI9yX.CoRw5BpH34llfLCwJHLZDqwL.OiabUrOCAY A_SHt0vox9MEesoJ.4bwVUz0JGAhP3KW9ltu3OH12bOBvGFHoAGTJ.4iIQuy nk6fkF42LrP.4V4_71vFX3cf_mZLGLyQHm811UYKirb0THuayNxtJO1OVAEx mtIBDhTlhIC1KDAC_6_4_KhM.HtDdDcln0d0fPVw2vqgwk3xSRnWEiILyu1c XKptwapXU8mZFcZUYiYWpQoFKHy.IKJN4P1g63O0NWhpZ4dRnKbX26l_ljqn TsVfp4tf1kfVSML9mlTArEn82bueRw2tv9dBrha3d_NQsXXLJO4g3GvvtyY0 Z7lHdVjposbEuxWd9AMBimnWBYBIIUGYC3v7SRTBnXEGHw9.tGZqsW77r.9z H1iuWTMl2QHKyotB6gMFRuQcprw-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2013 15:49:21 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <018f01cdf433$69572280$3c056780$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:49:40 -0600 thread-index: Ac30MxVGi8WXdDp1RYqLDZGP+PyHuQAD+Ppw Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Cut the 2.25" hole and order a grommet for it, Moss 680-840/TRF 605602, on my '58 the u-joint inspection and dip stick holes are the same. You'll be glad you did, sure makes life easier. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:50 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox My previous TR3s both had all-synchro gearboxes. The small-mouth, obviously, does not. I am putting a replacement tunnel in the car and am realizing I may have to cut a hole for the dipstick, since I don't see a level plug on the side, as the previous gearboxes had. Any alternative to an ugly big hole in the tunnel? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 16 17:55:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEA642593 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:55:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336E940E35 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:54:40 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=K9KxW0O0m9cA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=xaOJ6bfXAAAA:8 a=zM4oOmHsAAAA:8 a=TaZ2U1B5AAAA:8 a=u8eZLUVZtDLIw-ej_TAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4nbsacUxbUsA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:49517] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 81/51-01431-1FA47F05; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:50:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 0:50:57 +0000 From: Randall To: Andrew Uprichard , Bob Labuz Sensitivity: Normal Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Bob Labuz wrote: > Also, the hole is smaller than the one used to access the grease zerk > behind the shifter. Are you sure? I haven't checked recently, but I thought they were the same size. Both Moss & TRF list the same plug for both of them. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 05:38:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAB840527 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:38:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C17C40437 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:37:50 -0700 (MST) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=pTzqZbqM9tkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=K9KxW0O0m9cA:10 a=VYtXHMCQ-a1kGuF6xAwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:58403] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D3/5F-25866-CBFE7F05; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:34:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:34:03 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Randall References: <20130117005057.VGB24.4536.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Non-synchro gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, I always thought it was, maybe because it was under the battery and I could not see it directly. I guess this spring when I get the 3 out and check the oil etc. I will take a look. ANyway, I am happy to have the dipstick and access. Bob On 01/16/2013 07:50 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Bob Labuz wrote: > >> Also, the hole is smaller than the one used to access the grease zerk >> behind the shifter. > Are you sure? I haven't checked recently, but I thought they were the same size. Both Moss & TRF list the same plug for both of them. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 12:50:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934A842B27 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:50:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432FA4054E for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.106.129]) by p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id p7mR1k0062nY7Qu017mSWh; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:46:27 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:46:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac306zdxAS/eB80jRQGT9P/+Ehu5Rg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 glove box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Am I right in thinking the glove box is held in place at the bottom with two bolts and at the rear by a bracket which attaches to the right hand dash support? And nothing else? And if anyone has a spare said bracket, please contact me off-line. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 12:59:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9118642B44 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:59:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4F1407AC for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 19:55:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 19:55:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 19:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 31955 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2013 19:55:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358452516; bh=QdIUpDnxUi966tRaeoh7zDM8vQcCvYtlF6vLzhnPTL4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Wt7i+PS/hACR1x2TzTz8DgFACSrI31jNbZRbrOmLyDnsKod3oiSNpm+p36IA08MifTA1BOOSQTdWfL5mCKKJ3BDtvjJbQnh+dHhOGTKTaKsEHMujPAafVleo9ivCbq7epuLMB1a32b1OKlj7Llps5CgB7Jqr9O9mmEITFM6g3I= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LnjscBIICjFDqLSTTzrJbDvizrehBoBmlL/YEHhyRL7MxJHod4NhsXRevs43nnpR8QmIY3wurFnwXNYzkSe9liXM9QbaYIyrzbm3SfHN3+YDRDD9AohKMkdPosIL3F3MQ8sBi3sfc/klOiXI7FMmFK8HgOYEVhFyXsyMpG8n6fE=; QwRAB06B10h9gjXMWQy_z1aLGp6Sk8GiRdWYXOs66qL.RkVmSBn9vxtFKGWV gp8MJa.jf0Kv4JG2IIhRXCWWn5S0GED.5MipWOIu3D_t5THLDqUe8QbbyViT oTD_Fug9cxUCMfZaq6KTBQJoPHzmyS0iBb.ewr3OOgs7UTtwcwKn6z2pmtRc 1v1UhbecIDdYQS2GsUTIXHIZTb8ZKenu3dA1dT6zdEfBDPKGPkghvJ7XNFa3 3xuI5C48e1opw42O_1yd0wE2thmvuy9Z92lufYBjYKGh.P1FwVRDga1EKEuE z9FTSCuhILd1L5VzsymyfjkkAcHVGhpbKazGraax2Zf1MCFa4LCeon5NvPAM Qr2vZZDLbuovbiJyK2XINqCkKY1XK2m1hPtSQbEw1iegbhJw52iYPb0A5p7E 3Q4D1XrRwuzcfqkwtELrJ8iiZBDGCXdRWj4f_m8M5SD0G4i5XmDSMP4ffW9R flgBcyYHCBDCyTBSfdqUA Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:55:16 PST YXMgaSByZWNhbGwgdGhlcmUgYXJlIGEgY291cGxlIG9mIHNjcmV3cyBhdCB0aGUgdG9wIGFsc28uCnNlbGYgdGFwZXJzIGludG8gcXVpY2sgY2xpcHMuCnRoZSBicmFja2V0IGF0IHRoZSBiYWNrIG9uIG15IFRSMyB3YXMgYW4gb2xkIGZhc2hpb25lZCBhbmdsZSBjbGlwLgpGcmFuawoKRnJvbTogQW5kcmV3IFVwcmljaGFyZCA8YXVwcmljaGFyZEB1cHJpY2hhcmQubmV0PgpUbzogdHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDE3LCAyMDEzIDExOjQ2IEFNClN1YmplY3QBMAEBAQE- References: <01db01cdf4eb$5abb03f0$10310bd0$@uprichard.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Andrew Uprichard , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 glove box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net as i recall there are a couple of screws at the top also. self tapers into quick clips. the bracket at the back on my TR3 was an old fashioned angle clip. Frank From: Andrew Uprichard To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: [TR] TR3 glove box Am I right in thinking the glove box is held in place at the bottom with two bolts and at the rear by a bracket which attaches to the right hand dash support? And nothing else? And if anyone has a spare said bracket, please contact me off-line. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 13:03:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDE6403EA for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:03:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0150340356 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:03:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.106.129]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id p7zn1k00E2nY7Qu017zo5v; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:59:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , References: <01db01cdf4eb$5abb03f0$10310bd0$@uprichard.net> <1358452516.28577.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:59:54 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFLINIJyMgGc4MnNeSkrk4ay5klMgKTiPR9mT78R3A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 glove box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ah - I wondered what those broken-off things were.... Thanks! From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:55 PM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 glove box as i recall there are a couple of screws at the top also. self tapers into quick clips. the bracket at the back on my TR3 was an old fashioned angle clip. Frank From: Andrew Uprichard To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: [TR] TR3 glove box Am I right in thinking the glove box is held in place at the bottom with two bolts and at the rear by a bracket which attaches to the right hand dash support? And nothing else? And if anyone has a spare said bracket, please contact me off-line. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 14:38:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8365B42B41 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:38:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AF940324 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:29:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-11427.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.60.166] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Tvwxn-000567-FC for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:25:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:25:33 -0500 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Re-installing my newly painted hood hinges on the '2 and I didn't remember to mark the hinges right or left. They appear to slightly "toe in" or "toe out" with respect to the longer hood part of the hinge. What is the correct orientation to avoid having the hinge bind and break when installed? I would like to bolt up the hood part of the hinge to make installation easier. Does the hood part of the hinge orient "toe out" with respect to the cowl mount or is it the other way 'round? Make sense? Thanks for any help with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 14:41:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1692942B50 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:41:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B142403B9 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 171F41C0007B0 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.1]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E0E8BE000081 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:37:11 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:37:11 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358458632; bh=GYOaqTX/4ZGbNSa9rsE3D6XjnHwI7zaszCe88oikOdM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RO9NP1U4AKcoArWRnhVItDr4eAKxAHJLjMYHajr2x++kyxheHUAS93hcPeJ1iSEAd +ZJdtQ7LvNt54edclzbX4UW3YJ0Xm7IOXg0DIePni1N4MFFWy++eOYagkbjAx/hZfP xwpGD9nqJ4csq+DIKVF1djlYJiR91uJKYESkBKOs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c750f86f075d0a Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The hinge pins must be lined up or else they will bind when you open the bonnet. You can trial mount them to the bonnet and swing them and see if they stay in the same plane or if they diverge. If they diverge swap sides. Dave In a message dated 1/17/2013 3:34:04 PM Central Standard Time, agraham@execulink.com writes: > Hello List: > Re-installing my newly painted hood hinges on the '2 and I didn't > remember to mark the hinges right or left. They appear to slightly "toe > in" or "toe out" with respect to the longer hood part of the hinge. What > is the correct orientation to avoid having the hinge bind and break when > installed? > I would like to bolt up the hood part of the hinge to make installation > easier. > Does the hood part of the hinge orient "toe out" with respect to the > cowl mount or is it the other way 'round? Make sense? > Thanks for any help with this one. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 16:38:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F4842B20 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:38:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351104065A for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:33:31 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=wl6mxkCt6QMA:10 a=rlVDi6EfAAAA:8 a=Gpzxg9QhWtSki188nt4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=OzOkUxcCGUcA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:65399] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C8/45-25887-86988F05; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:29:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:29:44 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Angelo Graham Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Angelo Graham wrote: > Does the hood part of the hinge orient "toe out" with respect to the > cowl mount or is it the other way 'round? Make sense? The entire hinge should fit straight and parallel. If you look at the sides of the hinge, the distance from the mounting surface to the hinge pin is larger on one side. That side goes nearest the wing. Leave the nuts just slightly more than finger tight while you try them the first time, so you can move things around to fit. After rather more broken hinges that I care to recall, I also prefer to remove the studs and run a bottoming tap into the threads; then use Loctite when inserting the studs. Some of the new hinges aren't tapped all the way to the bottom, which leaves the joint weak. I've also gotten several sets where the stud was too long and had to be trimmed to length. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 16:44:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D54B42B25 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:44:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDC140E46 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:43:40 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=beSzcZORO50A:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=ririJP4HuKC6EY4IS88A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:65522] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D7/54-26261-9CB88F05; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:39:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:39:53 -0500 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Wbeech wrote: > Depending on your commission number, the correct carb for your car might be > an HS6. I believe the HS6 was only used on TR4A, not TR4. Even early TR4A used ZS carbs. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 16:47:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8484042B76 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2634065A for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 23:43:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 23:43:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 23:43:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 25470 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2013 23:43:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358466232; bh=wIIvQpE4pJ2zCYcORxHrV409eSJqQ1jjIJDxdZ5fTsQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kaeiDRSO1B/31i0ThXD/+5IbZVrVoJQBHqcbAEaDghWuW9QcVBD6Gz11RuoWa6DlIlY1k0jYMU7hn0JVQEm6/UGtHJMMKsJfNQt0aBnRhQ2P4GTUDqYKrOydd+q+ctMTA0to6s6hwgXmGM+eRoljhaC+ZrFKxVOfOV2JydbgC7I= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0bsrR2s6hFyScRNe57nRaKt0JcGERTpuEn1u/3sg5A/vgBBq3+lYV22+878E7TWXdkJcpDab5JuDAmUqAKZ4dW1g9ZZgkvojxwXoQJonkqd1VkdBQM+gVygAU+GD9yhksP6z7SNGkjQI+OnqfxzCpkR4IWINxz4Rc+lsH2FJM9M=; HkI_KG6lS3LX_LWXAOCWdarSGgiup38NkMLRcg_3C1_V3dKYhjSuVdMebIYN awC.WjfVKw_oT1NJIcD_hRiFwc0GIJYKAGMPG0tzHXRLe0.p_Q2itilHQD0g 6jpx.jf_mB9gm47q89yedbsAf.iWWKquNCwZwQiqq6cVE.ZtEY2gFIuyVW1i fWxZFyrPTCfTQpWm5gktDRSuPtkPGn7unzVnIb8N8Vm.sEc6DtfHE_EwZ_En zWwKH0sf8LdQYhWBJDEZWpxglswT2KTVyQjh9VBIEsM4kBA6ryKSBOl3I4nN 2C9hjISKdtHoBz5S79ugNrCkHvyhyjblyTP.nOQK65RBB6trZQcau_SO.bQJ MD.A8iTUM16EAUKEZBmJycnzcgHFGNVu9WTpaOVV4nMWr_05vOy1_.eRngbS LgU27PD7KMPw95Jp0uKkp0_pm6a5EKPDjoZDezLhZX3915O96ualCNPbi6p5 JhHUMRbmCSRGx45WtkMmqvDk0FdVdYan3Y0RVB8CsNYSVYGW0zrRl2AlV Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:43:52 PST YW5kIHRoZXkgc3RyaXAgb3V0IHRoZSB0aHJlYWRzIHJlYWxseSBlYXN5CsKgCsKgCgpGcm9tOiBSYW5kYWxsIDx0cjNkcml2ZXJAY2EucnIuY29tPgpUbzogdHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IEFuZ2VsbyBHcmFoYW0gPGFncmFoYW1AZXhlY3VsaW5rLmNvbT4gClNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDE3LCAyMDEzIDM6MjkgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUUl0gVFIyLzMgaG9vZCBoaW5nZXMKCi0tLS0gQW5nZWxvIEdyYWhhbSA8YWdyYWhhbUBleGVjdWxpbmsuY29tPiB3cm90ZTogCj4gRG9lcyABMAEBAQE- References: <50F86C4D.6070803@execulink.com> <20130117232944.7UTW8.9195.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:43:52 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" , Angelo Graham Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net and they strip out the threads really easy From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net; Angelo Graham Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges ---- Angelo Graham wrote: > Does the hood part of the hinge orient "toe out" with respect to the > cowl mount or is it the other way 'round? Make sense? The entire hinge should fit straight and parallel. If you look at the sides of the hinge, the distance from the mounting surface to the hinge pin is larger on one side. That side goes nearest the wing. Leave the nuts just slightly more than finger tight while you try them the first time, so you can move things around to fit. After rather more broken hinges that I care to recall, I also prefer to remove the studs and run a bottoming tap into the threads; then use Loctite when inserting the studs. Some of the new hinges aren't tapped all the way to the bottom, which leaves the joint weak. I've also gotten several sets where the stud was too long and had to be trimmed to length. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 17:10:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B843742AF7 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:10:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7E740E46 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:07:23 -0700 (MST) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=beSzcZORO50A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=lSHPsHh-5sL_pBcmmAUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=qhzps-UmN3cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:50091] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C6/30-25887-85198F05; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:03:36 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Randall" , References: <20130117233953.KX3XH.9236.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:03:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree, SU's on TR4's were H6's while SU's on 4A's were HS6. My May built 66 TR4A has HS6 SU's. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:39 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carb rebuild / reaming ---- Wbeech wrote: > Depending on your commission number, the correct carb for your car might > be > an HS6. I believe the HS6 was only used on TR4A, not TR4. Even early TR4A used ZS carbs. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 20:04:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2197540695 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:04:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13FF40572 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:03:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.99.153]) by m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id pEzy1k0063Ja85S01Ezzj2; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:00:00 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Randall'" , , "'Angelo Graham'" References: <50F86C4D.6070803@execulink.com> <20130117232944.7UTW8.9195.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:00:05 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIFo2hj5+rM+L4REjgycwj6KGp3EZffCIMw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Particularly the trunk/boot hinges: one of the studs will interfere with the trunk rubber if not cut back. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:30 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net; Angelo Graham Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood hinges ---- Angelo Graham wrote: > Does the hood part of the hinge orient "toe out" with respect to the > cowl mount or is it the other way 'round? Make sense? The entire hinge should fit straight and parallel. If you look at the sides of the hinge, the distance from the mounting surface to the hinge pin is larger on one side. That side goes nearest the wing. Leave the nuts just slightly more than finger tight while you try them the first time, so you can move things around to fit. After rather more broken hinges that I care to recall, I also prefer to remove the studs and run a bottoming tap into the threads; then use Loctite when inserting the studs. Some of the new hinges aren't tapped all the way to the bottom, which leaves the joint weak. I've also gotten several sets where the stud was too long and had to be trimmed to length. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 20:55:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AF64064C for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:55:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67AD4056A for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:55:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id gm13so2423867lbb.10 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:51:57 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=N+zNPPEmNW0JV5xnrFF0iRKnf+PKsu2shiR0m+3cOdk=; b=h30fOTuJqcyKyt3eIcwTQWCAdNsildpNKEgW2PIGFGb5pjCF6E6Q21bdcuq8jNv6rk qWbJYFqs3Z4uv3lN3PVseRRtjidZBgy8J10ntmLtXRCSMJt/ZnN03i39ihGsBtnS6Rrw Dx6uxmeVXlQrAqfiz2EyjyP2EzAk2m15R/pp5M4J9TY3B73iwjBa29b8DVmkz83n9h8g sTviKU3NLUwDvU2ihmrSMT45PilIqYjskrNTGGozkQg4xlvWrXpWnEm204Oj7G71AhFk HKCbVASHzgc5P9UEEkJfGsO96M6lytuXDnTj2s/9nAN5eO9O3S334H5aWqyfFv3zoAxo GGsw== z2mr3180337lby.65.1358481117306; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:51:37 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:51:37 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] All this talk about Carbs -- TR2 engine rebuild time - how big can I go with the HS4's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR2 has been alot of fun. Wiring is straight, paint is good, We drove over 2500 miles this summer. But.... More smoke blows out of the valve cover and engine vent than out the exhaust.... It's time to rebuild or at least re-ring this winter. I've never been into the motor past a valve job.. so rebuild is more likely. If I have to do a major rebuild - do you think the HS4's adequately support 86mm pistons and liners? Car runs great as is -- but a little more cubic inches never hurts..... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 17 21:22:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8898D4069E for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:22:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE52240543 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:22:27 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=mIhmgyD9xAsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=OjWs-QHcd0UA:10 a=Bd5RFFNd4o_ggvF_ZF4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Je89UKtScqg8_lCP:21 a=DFwh5l6aUQ-XjqK7:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1A/C7-01431-E1DC8F05; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:18:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:18:47 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac31Lzetmm1wEoZrQbGgEeDKlsCz5QAAxDQQ Subject: Re: [TR] All this talk about Carbs -- TR2 engine rebuild time - how big can I go with the HS4's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > If I have to do a major rebuild - do you think the HS4's > adequately support > 86mm pistons and liners? Car runs great as is -- but a > little more cubic > inches never hurts..... Should work out just fine, IMO. The smaller carbs may cost you a bit of power at the extreme top of the rpm range, but it won't be any worse than it is now IMO. And the extra displacement should give you some extra mid-range torque, which is more useful on the street anyway. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 07:02:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B6B407AC for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:02:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8BB4069E for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:01:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.194.30.20]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id pRxY1k0030S2miE01RxYhL; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:57:33 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:57:40 -0500 Thread-Index: AQK6Q0MG/u21jMcXILQYchmzS1SH55Z2gOiw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] All this talk about Carbs -- TR2 engine rebuild time - how big can I go with the HS4's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Why stop at 86mm? -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:52 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] All this talk about Carbs -- TR2 engine rebuild time - how big can I go with the HS4's The TR2 has been alot of fun. Wiring is straight, paint is good, We drove over 2500 miles this summer. But.... More smoke blows out of the valve cover and engine vent than out the exhaust.... It's time to rebuild or at least re-ring this winter. I've never been into the motor past a valve job.. so rebuild is more likely. If I have to do a major rebuild - do you think the HS4's adequately support 86mm pistons and liners? Car runs great as is -- but a little more cubic inches never hurts..... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 12:21:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956C42B74 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:21:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E22A40532 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:20:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:16:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.119] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:16:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:16:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 60606 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2013 19:16:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358536583; bh=TsMqR8M1/heWRKxC/1vWSrKBhHfPUMJ9RydLOzfvG0Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IMHzAz+BfCQUaMeXEscOG+rwGrIal413G5nFluHWgpmvk+cYF29/zfMBPU8hgtISoD5rDIRBBOkHkmLtGUHInpX/o8YsaBPPyl+AYbsXKEfy/m0GVa6zGR7ALhARIOrlc+XPbPICVyqlWAtNKzMMhUk45VrLhsZMrVq0N/F0W9s= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uW6RB/P20GkeBpkydKrB0RqKKbVdVOw1e6e0JNS33CTZT//4c0wLlFxp0BI2usClaa/PPYN5Z1k6DuDpeTXcpvAGxdAWBcbE0nXmwjNQDV6NE+GINE2B5cZwJdwKJzqMs7alQTUkOrGPUiXqka+VFgknCKd3d2QHyECML1okmgw=; DXJupIprOADfCxdJ.UaN7wBBERQ_XaQ55naCa5ehbkFR2ePKFpMLu1hOLATq eZMtY9f17xq4OWNwBcKhWcLPAZqCfwMfk2WM.N8hTYhdktAwVZw_36N4bf0O 7k0sj.neF.2xMN.AhVfcF8bkrd4U2Zd5oiCkRlgf5irfaMOvcGfQDPodRh91 ytfiKhqP_6lMKnC6Dw4z8VMz3MA1Vld1xvbJJ6S5_Gl8Z_0RYfvQfXEwunvp zT39_T6haitis.QXOraykyDJsTs5wsoE9pFFGaPu1k.GTwtIS0_S7avQ0yEb bq_99yePpl5ezLimvAXBnNDTF72hb3CjrhXKgTVYIsj18Ru7.le8YgnJCAhp TmrZbM1zEvSa_srZOQOwtdk.sy1GuizP2YvHdYiF1euKRP66yuPCaq8fp0VP dC72zm93yYLyW.8BNS.iGqldObb7SpAtJVxHUI_3YaNjDx7wndH4WgzV159I Cdqi0wyjrghbp Received: from [107.195.24.156] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:16:23 PST wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBqdXN0IGZpbmlzaGVkIGEgdGhpbmcgbGlrZSBhIGdpYW50IGNoZXN0IG9mIGRyYXdlcnMuIEhvbWUgRGVwb3QgaGFzICJTdGVyaXRlIiBjbGVhciBwbGFzdGljIGJveGVzIHdpdGggY29sb3JlZCBzbmFwIG9uIGxpZHMgZm9yIHNhbGUgZm9yICQ2Ljg4IGZvciBhIHBhY2sgb2YgNi4gRWFjaCBkcmF3ZXIgaXMgOCIgd2lkZSBieSA2IiBoaWdoIGJ5IDEyIiBkZWVwLiBJIGJvdWdodCA0OCBvZiB0aGVtIGFuZCBtb2RpZmllZCBhIGZyZWUgYm9va2Nhc2UgSSBnb3QgdG8gaG9sZCB0aGVtIGFsbCABMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:16:23 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Bill's Shelves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just finished a thing like a giant chest of drawers. Home Depot has "Sterite" clear plastic boxes with colored snap on lids for sale for $6.88 for a pack of 6. Each drawer is 8" wide by 6" high by 12" deep. I bought 48 of them and modified a free bookcase I got to hold them all on the shelves. The bookcase is 3 feet wide by 6 feet high. A 3 X 5 card fits in the front of the box to label what is inside. There is also room for about 8 more boxes on the top (double stacked). So, I have a giant chest of drawers for all of my little parts and obscure tools for about $50. I am getting organized for 2013! I've wanted something like for decades. If anyone is interested in a photo, email me and I'll send you a photo. I don't know how to post a photo to the list. -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 12:36:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C91142B68 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:36:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D3142B47 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:31:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pVAl1k0050FhH24AFXTiji; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:27:42 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pXTh1k00d2xZMJ48UXThpM; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:27:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:27:41 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: William Brewer s=q20121106; t=1358537262; bh=JT/vinHrIVJsk+of7+2/3QmtOmz67U3TpDe89VTILhA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=qZvx2XpB+FM0BAih2wS0jA07zOxeUgTEK+b1MAqaDdgpc1CNTKBMdgIT2pybv+FFb 4QFs7YrrYuzGy/bQJlX72ph/B4cbjsKXDAMcJ9i4m+1wL5fwkF4cu2WRSE4mJzObqq 2TmOU+Tgn52gaTS998M9B4GU6Wze1wE9Po68MpQRkb71McJyi5zqmKUDbgNXw2s3/I ZOqVrmX3KJ7f/EllY2CWycFjivv0vCA2F7YQFlUR0LHXv+bWAia/s4Cg1Q71H3vp7z 18O+NrRUf6je5gagKivNqpIqzA13XdyhQPDUpV+hPyEqKgC3nZ1fIg+Jj17e8x6udc RLrCbTkZk5aRw== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Bill's Shelves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net flickr.com is free and easy Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Brewer" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:16:23 PM > Subject: [TR] Bill's Shelves > I just finished a thing like a giant chest of drawers. Home Depot has > "Sterite" clear plastic boxes with colored snap on lids for sale for > $6.88 for > a pack of 6. Each drawer is 8" wide by 6" high by 12" deep. I bought > 48 of > them and modified a free bookcase I got to hold them all on the > shelves. The > bookcase is 3 feet wide by 6 feet high. A 3 X 5 card fits in the front > of the > box to label what is inside. There is also room for about 8 more boxes > on the > top (double stacked). > So, I have a giant chest of drawers for all of my > little parts and obscure tools for about $50. > I am getting organized for > 2013! I've wanted something like for decades. > > If anyone is interested in > a photo, email me and I'll send you a photo. I don't know how to post > a photo > to the list. > > -Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 12:51:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DF942B4D for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:51:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC4640E52 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:46:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:42:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.199] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:42:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 44494 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2013 19:42:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358538166; bh=aGwGM4H5qKvp3BM4HpIZTSAZ/4QOd6VbV/lSauBOH/w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jDjDRBBKZdYcZemv1D+rDdByTkzPjaZVgBuuFnGnK/3YrBwKfytPQxSaYQHgRbEV0CPvd8QxLgYv+7O4yAw/yGppIzwsT5XHDAa/WtQCkW1lOrELx5tuaX6jHkjkK+swJ+MKjebvrr1Tokub/eRM+KHhWc8WnRwxilIUo2mg8l4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dYqd5YcN+skdnHSIvU7ngDSaOaXqvGSSLIX9tRmHg2Jn8B5jyYXAK7tWkBd6fCxTUg5I6koRwwNfyD8bx02TSAWLRUUiKADY4i7iSsyeGj6zTY4hnROod5UU8YDF7bQrLCQxdkP3A8icy4A84Th6Lg8vPqwCa9c0uDnmrhzq95Q=; dF56DZmG9HfjqJG.9jvZP1.IPPgAhb1RWIhI7XDcZNhZAEUnodOs5azHtXzX k7_9iIHUrTHQh9uYHIRdQ4hyfEjjmoZ9ne2ShfaVMLvS6zs04sDMDBraiGyV An6czKfoymlOxL8Sq36_hI6G.zUuVy.sI8N1xyD83Rz7X0DMlsrgUTfLt_yK Lgv5BCui0wHasqhDZ8zpwZmurEBk8txvcWrXalYbeR5INwsYnFS.4nNmLbvn f1JUaKh1J8.d3hacK2nBUWESDIqy5aTZruxUvHBLUa3Hly6_R7lZ.F2mvfCK jR8DKChytPmVGBHck6Y98gK7BH.5lXWYt_yvb5s4lK_Ohcl328UTAOGY0hOY hKIORhSGC392_ZRnecJBqLIwP4s9UyIcT8DA40ecn27DbVlpGnxod4QOvW8q pTAMy9loaOYejkL7gbZok3d2PETx73w33s_sTQhvYmbSlz030R6fVhixvVNR ATw0.jOeoHKK9yBwjy2M- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:42:46 PST aSBzdXBwb3NlIHlvdSdsbCBiZSBidXlpbmcgY2FycyB3aXRoIHdpbmQgdXAgd2luZG93cyBuZXh0PwrCoApGcmFuawoKRnJvbTogV2lsbGlhbSBCcmV3ZXIgPHdzYjE5NjB0cjNhQGF0dC5uZXQ.ClRvOiBUcml1bXBocyA8dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBGcmlkYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMTgsIDIwMTMgMTE6MTYgQU0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBCaWxsJ3MgU2hlbHZlcwoKwqAgwqAgSSBqdXN0IGZpbmlzaGVkIGEgdGhpbmcgbGlrZSBhIGdpYW50IGNoZXN0IG9mIGRyYXdlcnMuIEhvbWUgRGUBMAEBAQE- References: <1358536583.59442.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:42:46 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Bill's Shelves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i suppose you'll be buying cars with wind up windows next? Frank From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [TR] Bill's Shelves I just finished a thing like a giant chest of drawers. Home Depot has "Sterite" clear plastic boxes with colored snap on lids for sale for $6.88 for a pack of 6. Each drawer is 8" wide by 6" high by 12" deep. I bought 48 of them and modified a free bookcase I got to hold them all on the shelves. The bookcase is 3 feet wide by 6 feet high. A 3 X 5 card fits in the front of the box to label what is inside. There is also room for about 8 more boxes on the top (double stacked). So, I have a giant chest of drawers for all of my little parts and obscure tools for about $50. I am getting organized for 2013! I've wanted something like for decades. If anyone is interested in a photo, email me and I'll send you a photo. I don't know how to post a photo to the list. -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 13:07:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8172F42B61 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:07:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584BE406B1 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:04:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99341A165F for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:02:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:02:47 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Triumphs References: <1358536583.59442.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Bill's Shelves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net William Brewer wrote: > If anyone is interested in > a photo, email me and I'll send you a photo. I don't know how to post a photo > to the list. > > That reminds me - I really need to get the forums back on the air. A good indoor project for a cold weekend. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 17:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A0842B78 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:48:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A99D40EAB for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2013 00:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.118] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2013 00:44:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2013 00:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 67107 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2013 00:44:07 -0000 s=s1024; 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Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:44:06 PST wqDCoMKgwqAgSGVyZSBpcyBhIGxpbmsgdG8gdGhlIHNoZWx2ZXMgdGhhdCBJIG1hZGUuCgrCoMKgwqAgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5mbGlja3IuY29tL3Bob3Rvcy8zOTY5OTkyN0BOMDgvCgrCoMKgwqDCoCAtQmlsbCBpbiBUZWhhY2hhcGkKATABAQEB Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Bill's Shelves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is a link to the shelves that I made. http://www.flickr.com/photos/39699927@N08/ -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 18 20:16:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B309140EA0 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:16:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56176406AD for ; 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However I'm having a problem fitting the forward solid window. It's very thin plexiglass and the only information I've been able to find simply says the front plexi window is sewn in with the vinyl trim. Does a person drill small holes through the plexiglass to pull the thread through? Is the thread then looped around the forward vertical frame to pull it tight? The forward vertical frame piece is also very thin and I'm wondering how to glue vinyl to that as well as attach the plexiglass. Just wondering is anyone has re-built they're side screens themselves and how they handled this. thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 19 04:34:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B019D40EC1 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:34:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C553F40404 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8b84b.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.184.75]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MGV00697EMQPZR0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:30:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:33:31 -0500 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1358565173.98112.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used a big old Singer industrial sewing machine on the plastic and it just punched through. However, I did do some touchup on the ends by using a sewing awl and heating the needle so that it melted through the plastic. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/18/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm rebuilding my tr-3 side curtains and things are going well. However I'm > having a problem fitting the forward solid window. It's very thin plexiglass > and the only information I've been able to find simply says the front plexi > window is sewn in with the vinyl trim. > Does a person drill small holes through > the plexiglass to pull the thread through? Is the thread then looped around > the forward vertical frame to pull it tight? The forward vertical frame piece > is also very thin and I'm wondering how to glue vinyl to that as well as > attach the plexiglass. > > > Just wondering is anyone has re-built they're side > screens themselves and how they handled this. > > thanks > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 19 12:26:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF5742479 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:26:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD972422E7 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:26:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id prDK1k0061bwxycA3vNjpA; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:22:43 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pvNi1k00C0GAcNo8evNiGJ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:22:43 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: References: <1358565173.98112.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50FA848B.709@key-men.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:22:43 -0800 thread-index: Ac32OHVKKaosp3krTqOYR/qhnUJeEAAQPdgA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1358623363; bh=MlN8j+zoIkJ/ookFrJAdhDO2btioDCcyaHad8DJpU8E=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DKT/iDMBdLRy/dPAqXFYJCe7YInUz/tKWUHkLvFbqq98Z6g4cw2+ABO4c4dY+cD9c zQpbolQMsmmLWS9gU22hkcfHoCITcIJFSQgkl9TVAsRBjNrxAy912dptNOkVed4SmB cHLqWDBvvNaAgVyBsKQFrtuqZTJGVh9/sH2br/mXoCCZeSkfWk8bOzIODA8tw+OA9L uMiQLimvNGSOrgpRkTLErd3x5b8g3T6TDUfpuWbVQ2oaNm5QeTO4orkYJv2i1eWuXe qqE04Z4jKUwWTC7EUrLrCsmePlu7x+5RH96FO7Y4Ny4cFbZFRAyn+3VIeBqlbjfQmg RmGQkqLrPB9kA== Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My approach was bit different - I used the router attachment on my Dremel to cut a slot in the plastic, leaving sufficient material at the top and bottom. I then used a sewing awl to sew through the side curtain material together through and for the length of the slot. Worked for me. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Richardson Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build I used a big old Singer industrial sewing machine on the plastic and it just punched through. However, I did do some touchup on the ends by using a sewing awl and heating the needle so that it melted through the plastic. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/18/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm rebuilding my tr-3 side curtains and things are going well. > However I'm having a problem fitting the forward solid window. It's > very thin plexiglass and the only information I've been able to find > simply says the front plexi window is sewn in with the vinyl trim. > Does a person drill small holes through the plexiglass to pull the > thread through? Is the thread then looped around the forward vertical > frame to pull it tight? The forward vertical frame piece is also very > thin and I'm wondering how to glue vinyl to that as well as attach the > plexiglass. > > > Just wondering is anyone has re-built they're side screens themselves > and how they handled this. > > thanks > > gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 16:28:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E56424BC for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400D04042D for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.39.125.adsl.snet.net [69.0.39.125]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MK0K5-1TwFFL0o57-0028Vo; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:20:55 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:21:11 -0500 P1Dz6F7w7oIWl72cI7BVnZUFDG71tFyGtd9rS8bMTJURU/wIPM mqvkOM/zrJtTGg1HXI+KagQd8ucNsvPENQ3wbEsNzE+0EIWTxx T7eCnByhPJ78zuhcZvgwCQ9/JV0j4O6r1ABvmEktUJ213OnIIN U6OArNGMRfrcoxoPB55gu8e8QzbSCbWcaadCVKuMFCLzXEk1GA JLUCnIgJscuaH05Qj5lc5vHgWhdweG5YWdWUOpIQw76VtLqWVg CesbA8HfzPg/t8HViaaX3n64VJi8lGIK3lImanZObpmn3rmelV FhZFkKEjfR9FJTwUUpq+ZCjhEbyXi2/7YiIz3Feu0 Subject: [TR] TR4 vs TR6 Gas Tank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been working with Boyd Welding (http://www.boydwelding.com/) on a 14 - 15-ish gallon aluminum fuel tank for the TR6 and got to wondering if it would also fit the TR4. The stock tanks look the same but the TR4 tank is listed as unavailable. Does anyone know? BTW.... the aluminum tank price will be $475 which is quite a bit cheaper than the stock steel replacement tank. I trying to negotiate a one time group purchase so if you're interested email me at75TR6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 16:47:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A8C42490 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:47:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2834042D for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2013 23:43:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.35] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2013 23:43:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2013 23:43:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358725410; bh=xLA40UK4iN+EHB6tcXcdU48EHlzMrw6Ck3WDjTopFU0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=dxaTpz5+QyC2iNMoUfsFExJV4fP1LeHzP4APZ4g5g85Zjz8nG7lUZx/diVmAK40cU8LN7B+0EhdfNWJZ9/AJ3I29W80r7rj3F9ErT2Y5RSCUocs9tztDErVbccwmgFpdG0kddClnBzzEYAor9HBjSnLDG8V4HiQSp908yPyL+Bc= CzuzcffriFbCrsX71EaImDpOmPKt5x8U9ZNkfhfvhoOmKAsb.pfPYr2w4yl8 JXL0SyUcEfZLHKWJlkn2pnKsBi8SHMcAaVw2MHH2yF_R1YeNK003nL1tONEi zdWd8iAxrq963iGgcu_e8NFTITfHI2psCuRZUlgFlKeEFar.j5Rj9w9Pg20V 4HNjpMeJZnF5.0DtYErVcM8PT3Ez2P62zD43pd5m5gvrZqDjNs9.e0GUeGOy ZUyK1OVhEW8uUH5MY88DbP5JzWy_r01EEsL1DWMu95e7mq1IDJYLa0mkFp2J Rwn1wPqtUZWkM9zTnU0GeS_K0ljzypIpNIahwsRec05DmXuACkFwIhzzX.kG yZkRPlRBqE3DJmvPR7IdMZQT1awOiC1hlxgfYYwacEmLek01RDQgbBfw3NRt sAQrJdkcTbCX88fKCNft4J2EpMOpE62AjoY3ADQdkOABpdZpGhFSsZgM5Wxr PYbIpZlD.Po3PvxpRHhY4in8_nYe.RAL5LynhEn3jmzXrX7Iv.iyJniat9Pb Ty9bz05GGIpQjk_mXxoHhrhp9peDAsWXSVl5Z3GgDXWYg5lyYqlH_Rgqguou MTMCOUrfVjmnMNoopUsjGGEe8jIeEzNKH Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2013 15:43:30 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: <18C7F3F1F1004BA0AEE0312C76D9BB55@bboffice> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:43:25 -0600 Thread-Index: AcuUrlazHDTq8Fs3Tx6exkq/t+eI54TFcaJQ Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Attaching aTR3A bow cover. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Geo, Trying to install my TRF hoodstick cover and don't seem to be able to get it right. I believe I got the two inside pegs correct based on the LTD snaps that were already installed. But, while I put the inner pegs as high as I could without interference from the body, they still seem too low and conflict with the rear panel when re-installed. I remembered you had posted some pictures, but these links seem to no longer be working. Do you have new links? Much appreciated, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 12:58 PM To: wbeech@flash.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Attaching aTR3A bow cover. On 12/4/10, wbeech@flash.net wrote: >> the 'hidden' peg is in an odd spot but works and fits fine. > > ...can you pictorially share this location? Here is where the inny peg is on mine: http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/TR3%20Stick%20Cover%201.JPG To use it the female LTD is installed upside down & inside out: http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/TR3%20Stick%20Cover%202.JPG I almost never undo that fastener since when I use the tonneau I just undo the rest of the stick cover and let it hang down back there. I do use a combination of towels & foam to take up some of the slack in the fitted cover: http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/TR3%20Stick%20Cover%203.JPG Stick cover in place: http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/TR3%20Stick%20Cover%204.JPG Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 16:50:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6624249A for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:50:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01F140536 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:50:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 766B51C00007E; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mpa005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mpa005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.184.17]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F1DBE000085; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:46:19 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from 74.141.66.87 by webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:46:18 -0500 From: Steve Thornton Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:46:19 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358725579; bh=sqG56YnmEt6gmdvhr3QMJ1nXkZ3gBe11vUqnk58SIn8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nsiyNyxRTE/Y75MUJGfGcDBGs0A2xRLzPJENIauUp5yZgCbUf3f++6y4ry6sktpw1 OtalmlS5Q1qPJgn7ih11mplFR2VGXHfQ2O6g5yEXO92offBhEjNfjy/BJU+lDTh6cb 422jUrK0RhAk5Vsspol2q/sK1yWxRHcWU2yYfwpA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50fc81cb24df Cc: bill.davis@wku.edu Subject: [TR] Surrey top help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List- I purchased a surrey top for my TR250 this weekend, after a long search for one. It came with the back section and a steel mid section. My questions are- 1. What is the best way to store them when not in use? 2. Do you have to take the convertible top and frame off to install the surrey top? 3. Does anyone have a set of surrey top installation instructions? 4. Does anyone know of a source for the soft top midsection and the frame that goes with it? Many thanks in advance. Steven O. Thornton Attorney at Law 1011 Lehman Avenue Suite 102 Bowling Green, KY 42103 270-781-6630 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 17:08:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485E9424C3 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:08:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop2.greatbasin.net (pop2.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDA74042C for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1a-181.gbis.net [207.228.60.181]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop2.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0KN4RuQ012786 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:04:27 -0800 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:04:08 -0800 Subject: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ibve been using Kroil for years; NOW they tell me! BEST PENETRATING OILS .... "Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on various penetrating oils. The magazine reports they tested these products for "break out torque" on rusted nuts and bolts. A subjective test was made of popular penetrating oils, with the unit of merit being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" bolt. Average torque load to loosen nut: No Oil used ........................ 516 foot pounds WD-40 ..................... ........ 238 foot pounds PB Blaster ......................... 214 foot pounds Liquid Wrench ....................127 foot pounds Kano Kroil ......................... 106 foot pounds ATF/Acetone mix.................. 53 foot pounds The ATF/Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50/50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch, and we all now use it with equally good results. Note also that Liquid Wrench is almost as good as Kroil for 20% of the price. ATF/Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50/50 mix. ATF = Any type of Automatic Transmission Fluid ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 17:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F44424B9 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:18:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E0140523; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp18so5427117obc.15 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:14:07 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=j3P7ItY+wfGPbPn1Z9cW0sRjZ4W3eZZvbX9volgPSQo=; b=BkTzFk98RcHW+2Y/vKmnVqI8KYiq4Z84DEwGBXvUFKnsSF7uYkC7wySDnH0fe+3hc7 5Sl2ieP/h//WVyq4UXEk1iGXXUwo+Qk1XG+TuevAiL+EqqPktmXjrPAk/2rUwCBLx1/Y nbKcu6ASHh3thB75d5TDj11LlDrQQlaaipeWFw6MYaVqShvnXSwpVslqBvefyRDDks8c eViYpOAznBDDsEL62hkGxAyWZxIgDckuaGKnlIxWVqn9+tP2eNfv/jlGhqEC+P0vV99H zdrbXfkaJHUwhMzZLLOlZde4qiIdhuijI7JvUYyDnlAcRKIE3qBeTjg+8mGVMIPmiEaw QrZw== u7mr12216966oef.90.1358727247501; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (ip98-180-65-66.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.65.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm9662604oee.0.2013.01.20.16.14.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:14:06 -0800 (PST) References: <8CFC57F7A5CBB97-1C2C-1BECE@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:14:04 -0500 To: Steve Thornton Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "bill.davis@wku.edu" , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Surrey top help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Congrats. The soft top and frame middle section is available from The Roadster Factory. I plan on installing without the convertible top and I believe they were meant to be installed that way. Other experts may know better. If you are storing the center section, keep someplace very safe and out of traffic. Very easy to damage. Jim Henningsen Ocala, fl 62 TR4 75 Tr6 with new cherry bomb glass pack. Love it! Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Steve Thornton wrote: > Hello List- > > > > I purchased a surrey top for my TR250 this weekend, after a long search for > one. It came with the back section and a steel mid section. > > My questions are- > > 1. What is the best way to store them when not in use? > > 2. Do you have to take the convertible top and frame off to install the surrey > top? > > 3. Does anyone have a set of surrey top installation instructions? > > 4. Does anyone know of a source for the soft top midsection and the frame that > goes with it? > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > Steven O. Thornton > Attorney at Law > 1011 Lehman Avenue > Suite 102 > Bowling Green, KY 42103 > > > 270-781-6630 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 17:54:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA004249E for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:54:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02547403F0 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id fo13so454988vcb.25 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:50:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5CrLUX1AQjoRBKAkfdC5HpP5nAF4+3PrX0SGcvRLDVs=; b=Z536SAtUC+er9GnOnpWmr1M1oOAg+g/h08HjU2mPep+r11tyTmw2MT4cc+6lKqKFdg e42PvuwcowigkEc7JQrPRcG9No5V+5BZJwVMOnE6FamlPF2QlthyWuiyhEqpeuW0Uc7M bfQiU/pRQMrlmfNjK7tsxlXWeGg7yB5f4qM+m8Q2V/a2qWPPbuEkI+ojyGOFOajCDdUO DzZPVJUBuhXAq/9bABCX3PcZTiLqg8482kzyizR7MYQHhu3xnFNsop3HdGBEGaDzo4g+ n1U7jLYUwInTE9Ja6FVQLvHDqKsjNa97ZvFV/rVH0dvca3VksMCgBhSwjnrC92cMhVb2 oljw== ks18mr17422664vcb.58.1358729443015; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:50:42 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:50:42 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: Skip Gurnee Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We call it Weasel Pee! Please note, if you do make some, put it in a glass container. It will eat anything else. It also separates when sitting, so you'll need to shake it each time you want to use it. Jody On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Skip Gurnee wrote: > Ib ve been using Kroil for years; NOW they tell me! > > BEST PENETRATING OILS .... > > "Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on various penetrating > oils. The magazine reports they tested these products for "break out torque" > on rusted nuts and bolts. > > A subjective test was made of popular penetrating oils, with the unit of merit > being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" > bolt. > > Average torque load to loosen nut: > > > No Oil used ........................ 516 foot pounds > WD-40 ..................... ........ 238 foot pounds > PB Blaster ......................... 214 foot pounds > Liquid Wrench ....................127 foot pounds > Kano Kroil ......................... 106 foot pounds > ATF/Acetone mix.................. 53 foot pounds > > The ATF/Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50/50 automatic transmission fluid > and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any commercial > product in this one particular test. > > Our local machinist group mixed up a batch, and we all now use it with equally > good results. > > Note also that Liquid Wrench is almost as good as Kroil for 20% of the price. > ATF/Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a > 50/50 mix. > > ATF = Any type of Automatic Transmission Fluid > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jodyfkerr@gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 18:39:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245FF4249E for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:39:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AD240432 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qNSW1k00117UAYkA1RbWtq; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:35:30 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qRbV1k00l2xZMJ48ZRbV35; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:35:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:35:29 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Jody Kerr s=q20121106; t=1358732130; bh=XsRnAdpWUL3iHYKbIlRkmOJle/zI9ghSRm/rFKOXGa8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YNG+44HmROKLmi9B89INdmUCQCwW78FN2CUKu7kaBGYEr3GyJTJLbsSlDylW/mumt DdUHXE2iroSw7bLBbrqL/Crh/tLTLm/2QsvAFC4xB+dSj7ZKcCSPOrr+hkwZ7V8j+P 9suP8HZ9DnYGE5EtNacIS9n2HgqxhZahEzbfhUsQ4YVHLEMo6UO6F3dupT1i4bfdnh n1Vnj6UJyJKHo9a395A5TddWZZWmb4gSHiGTXS7t2teoBHlJGivzC4FdTmb4fOFbIK TsGAk2yL4uvuBjcBxbYiliki7i9xcAq4Y4oETk1RGVh1qS/zSa4jTo/DOpCOKnwCpO XZyTTp3hygkRg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jody Kerr" > To: "Skip Gurnee" > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:50:42 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils > We call it Weasel Pee! > > Please note, if you do make some, put it in a glass container. It will > eat anything else. Just what I want to use around painted areas of a car. Pass. > It also separates when sitting, so you'll need to > shake it each time you want to use it. > > Jody > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Skip Gurnee wrote: > > Ib ve been using Kroil for years; NOW they tell me! > > > > BEST PENETRATING OILS .... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 18:49:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC8C40440 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:49:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91F240432 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so5261597vba.41 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:45:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xNXySrBd+57FnYPJ98pvzBH1Ftn6kTY7CNEANDHvDWs=; b=sD/Z0Tuf3vhCKlsHqCf3OOYNWJc3rHDMYutiF/U6tcjWJLKzcTpGQvrLnQG4Dy2Xob Uf9s3juwZOsBOq4ZuSL5jQRqjUyBt6m8ZeGk7DqY58/n6EJNRXgDehRQvk0gjTvD51/M 4T68jTNDUtuxoy4BFGqC8pyrkJXfekMx+RLm+CWbpqtyvaKaKqzj849ECgYK26cQUr0z AOgFIaN9P0zndIRo7i8moFScV/mI1+DuaRdfieOIr/b6JHFEhrPjzPhEiCHAR+Wxn838 SPjOiGicfrmsUisvcAqIatvCQQGjG4Owoba4G1d9t0ilsMBt8JyqjDAiPWa8dRwhwmlH Meyw== nt5mr17761466vcb.68.1358732715685; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:45:15 -0800 (PST) References: <2081710259.60492.1358732129866.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:45:15 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: pethier@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I generally tend to use it most when tearing down. :) On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:35 PM, wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jody Kerr" >> To: "Skip Gurnee" >> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:50:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils >> We call it Weasel Pee! >> >> Please note, if you do make some, put it in a glass container. It will >> eat anything else. > > Just what I want to use around painted areas of a car. Pass. > > > >> It also separates when sitting, so you'll need to >> shake it each time you want to use it. >> >> Jody >> >> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Skip Gurnee wrote: >> > Ib ve been using Kroil for years; NOW they tell me! >> > >> > BEST PENETRATING OILS .... > -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 19:51:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1BB40536 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:51:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD494042A for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.234] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 02:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 84715 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 02:47:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358736433; bh=hHqY1MxT8xS0E4T1tit1SWe7zzjDK4p//kN5QGVX+og=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dC5Yw2lR5jGIbCJfr7yZ4d0KOCxFsrAYsab2s5WhN5MOmd73SnWX2g3vWETBgvAdATUd8KqxSJjrAteB1iZXRo6MARzyAGkOu/017V34nwLyf5+a7eVjL6GzzPP+o1fgVshlAeFAfcu+RwXy/iYcRcKHcqWX6U/G4TQ5Ka//p+E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nhEYeS4NF6YwBhLExNGxO8wLepp1piJPCn+4uWH2avvVSsFalisXIcAMR7BQYoogAqG8d5o6XJVQ7wxokWxQzpoAvAsppkAXnGMinsQVlCmv8QO4pIeP1n/URXOR4IpgHjhEYTBJxvUIJ35JtcsW6qOIqj/h4NeRwhnClfSHiiU=; 61uBX9g95Pl_rOwH450KNP1lZ0kvBpPbJfYk0mc.sP9O586oVZEo1wXkHrGC s8tVgXxLWFfYd849uOZn_MdQL761jjE4Ic5BhqlFeeCrj1uDqqFql4wo4035 BZ.nS2m4_K5m5qnPzoR1l1V.xWiTtBNqDjcKCpwCCuqLVvevPtCISsKkNkAB GhpSPXJ_KJdMBbaDaY6jnJ8LdPC6kOal7qZAsBSX.Id43NFYwMs.h5.SFDwc u6iLfQb7xLY25f4v83_n7yhBoxYvlpH.dT4h.tuibQ2xiFqf17y9wBSfT_KE iDD8ekxbvdev33Whdx4FHPA5NVMakl_awM92ivniqAJmFAkv.Js6dWgfFMn. tx3ricvE0U_jsf1CteKn8UwCn.qOIeaLrniqL30I5UO98Tkp_FRdNRvdsP9. kFr.HWcMEtbp6M6KnOH4gYn1guYu1bFct Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:47:13 PST V2hpbGUgd29ya2luZyB3aXRoIG15IHNpZGUgY3VydGFpbnMgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGltcHJlc3NlZCBieSBob3cgc2xvcHB5IHRoZSB3b3JuIG9uZXMgZml0IGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgaG93IGhhcmQgaXQgaXMgdG8gZ2V0IGEgZ29vZCB0aWdodCBmaXQgb24gcmUtYnVpbHQgb25lcy7CoCBJdCBtYWRlIG1lIHdvbmRlciBhYm91dCBob3cgbWFueSBicmFuZCBuZXcgdHItMydzIHdlcmUgZGFpbHkgZHJpdmVycyBiYWNrIHRoZW4gdGhyb3VnaG91dCB0aGUgd2hvbGUgeWVhciBpbmNsdWRpbmcgd2ludGVyIGVzcGVjaWFsbHkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While working with my side curtains I've been impressed by how sloppy the worn ones fit as well as how hard it is to get a good tight fit on re-built ones. It made me wonder about how many brand new tr-3's were daily drivers back then throughout the whole year including winter especially in the midwest. I can't imagine a tr-3 even all buttoned up sitting outside during a midwest winter. Rain mostly comes straight down but blowing snow could sift through the smallest opening and cover the whole inside; then melt. Imagine 3 day white out blizzards with 25-30 mile winds! Anyone have these type of experiences? LOL gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 19:56:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32E840437 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:56:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AA040516 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:56:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id qSs91k00953lu5001SsAbu; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:52:10 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <1358736433.83146.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:50:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my brother had a tr3; his only car, when he was stationed at some base in massachusetts. we lived in philadelphia. I remember him heading back to the base one winter evening, full winter clothing including ski gloves, inside the car. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:47 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] thots on side curtains While working with my side curtains I've been impressed by how sloppy the worn ones fit as well as how hard it is to get a good tight fit on re-built ones. It made me wonder about how many brand new tr-3's were daily drivers back then throughout the whole year including winter especially in the midwest. I can't imagine a tr-3 even all buttoned up sitting outside during a midwest winter. Rain mostly comes straight down but blowing snow could sift through the smallest opening and cover the whole inside; then melt. Imagine 3 day white out blizzards with 25-30 mile winds! Anyone have these type of experiences? LOL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 20:37:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074A040528 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s31.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s31.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17F240424 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT122-DS3 ([65.55.90.7]) by snt0-omc1-s31.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:33:40 -0800 From: Creig Houghtaling To: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:33:40 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac33iBh4OvOdvLpdQESU/wchLknpIg== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[1AEAF0B0:01CDF788] Subject: [TR] Leaking proportioning valve on my TR7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a TR7 that I have been working on resurrecting. As soon as I get one thing fixed, something else pops up. There is a long story about everything I have been through. But the short story is my current problem is brake fluid leaking from the proportioning valve. I wiped everything off and had my daughter push the brake. Fluid drips formed at the cap end closest to the outer fender. What is the repair for this? Can new proportioning valves be bought? Is there a repair kit? I have parts from several other cars I have parted out. Do I just swap one in and see what happens? Or do different 7's have different proportions? Creig Houghtaling 314-401-7817 Local member of St. Louis Triumph Owners Association ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 21:24:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E4B40452 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:24:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0158840418 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:24:07 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=X8dwoB4dnd8A:10 a=s7V_MsxeDiBf5Gly4dUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 51/DB-26261-3F1CCF05; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:20:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:20:03 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac33ga7a3M5+c1PRTGWbYjPDnZf5OQACx4cg Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Anyone have these type of experiences? Yup. Been there, done that. I also worked second shift at the time. You've never lived until you've tried to push-start a TR3, by yourself, in a parking lot covered with ice! That was when I decided that an alternator was an absolute must-have. (But I did get it started and drove it home.) My boss at the time drove an Opel GT and bragged to me more than once that anything my TR could do, his Opel could do better. So one night when snow was predicted, I invited him back to my place for a beer after work. As predicted, we had about 3" of fresh snow on the ground, and being after midnite the snow plows had not been around yet. Of course I deliberately took the route that led up a steep hill and the TR walked right up it ... Don never did make it to my place and he never said another word about how great his Opel was! -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 21:51:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ED84042B for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:51:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 70FCE40321 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:49:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.201] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 04:45:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 04:45:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358743517; bh=JAJdyvhUidJ+VdTJt8z2RVnqaChju4qqyZTxxBdW5Jg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=Rxjjf1tTRiZvEkbM0UyRYxXO0yv+20ioFsk2MOWEodwOI0boeP8gAmU11V/tIFtXvxqTp1oAc0EXiZ6t38tOALTllLeGGFmy02dlr1zBX89sjvgmB39V+Ki6HE/cOug4yNP2MpOzko10DTd0Xw21Awa3pAr42H65KiI8iQ6e3Ig= gX0EX_DiHt8arqG7tU6kPCC.GG_e1_3UsI7zc6dfRzmSuJkqpC62MaQWrZO. LWH4HBKIPtzwa0CurSqLzK.RneO4vn06Jhv2STO8lC7GTVjTfAjjPGLM631p kKpI2lNrSh1mlaDuqOyMUhN4b6BzItPEF5DQQZxtNDeNZ417kOxmAhcpchiq y7t6xatAIbYR2apGUS2w6hm.ufD.l8IJWOLqIM6mODUT10M.B94xsPJEMFTc M6o.xfNwzHYU.IVMJ.f5al.FgCiqBH_lcyDJejh3xbPe.JUXA3jV74DvFbee LD0r84b419.8tbPn4v270UnNiGnjszUkfqnlejE93sPUHSvd.Vg1pA3mdkII 3MOMipjNlws79zsVh0r1iAskDvvvdBiBhE6mR2S31OgKZ3yZ17N9UwY4wEcL g4iqAStykdGNEivNy5wk2AaiOX6.uOUxqUi3OgLszMhCdcsmY3Y_tdwmhtFo 98tu_NM_IH7H8OQo__Q-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2013 20:45:17 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1358736433.83146.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:45:20 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac33gbYBbPQEwuY4TLCdHuB87x5+VgADplEg Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The PO of my TR3B owned it for over 20 years in New England and it was his daily driver. He told stories of driving to his job at IBM, strict dress code, in a blue suit and tie and how long it took to clean up after he arrived. I had one as a primary driver for a year in Virginia, rainy inside and out, demisters were a joke. Forget the wipers. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Nafziger Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:47 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] thots on side curtains While working with my side curtains I've been impressed by how sloppy the worn ones fit as well as how hard it is to get a good tight fit on re-built ones. It made me wonder about how many brand new tr-3's were daily drivers back then throughout the whole year including winter especially in the midwest. I can't imagine a tr-3 even all buttoned up sitting outside during a midwest winter. Rain mostly comes straight down but blowing snow could sift through the smallest opening and cover the whole inside; then melt. Imagine 3 day white out blizzards with 25-30 mile winds! Anyone have these type of experiences? LOL gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 22:10:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AAA424CC for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:10:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F90E40426 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:09:00 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=74FMdXmEhUMA:10 a=J9sMma68iWRmxUOYwHYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FC/0B-01431-29BCCF05; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 05:01:07 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Skip Gurnee'" , Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:01:06 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac33auQnuN/OemrzQ+GL3i1uFh7fxgAI/VDQ Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > "Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on > various penetrating oils. That was actually a long time ago, unless they republished the article. > Ibve been using Kroil for years; NOW they tell me! Results may vary. I've tried "weasel pee" several times, and it does not work as well as either Kroil or PB Blaster for me. But I don't use it on "scientifically rusted" bolts; nor do I particularly care how much torque it takes to turn the bolt as long as I can remove it without twisting it off. There is still a baby food jar of it sitting on the shelf, but I reach for PBB first. Oh, one other thing, neither Kroil nor PBB seem to do very much at first. You have to let them soak to penetrate, the longer the better. In severe cases (like the long pins that locate the rear springs to the frame on a TR3), I'll let it soak for weeks (with occasional BFH taps to help the penetration). Since the weasel pee separates in a matter of minutes, I can't imagine that soaking helps much with it. PS, if anyone knows the actual issue of MW, would you pass it along to me? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 22:28:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE7340516 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:28:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D71403DF for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:28:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fg15so3409840wgb.21 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:24:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Kkk+JBzDjVqmxqeH9GYMILnenrilh36voJV9/xl+wBY=; b=cG6lDATdjWbFwD2x0L995sIDdmNNxPjJV7J/++8PkwEe7CU3Wgfc4O5k/XGMV4bQ8A nveNuy+ErEy0GemrSYJS3Hxdm2yYUPWHE5V7vDgFJSsMAN6yROLTxIX1wHm7npN7BvEf pP83LTMRWAvD9c4DDhYXlF+ZN08O0ndgK7fDUSD+o1FpO1IRiTi9V/fVzpE/56L+hMv/ fRGoeQ9xaYccoTI9RANLfqYVu0CBlN2ILBHMRjk/tNmTLv3nGrfZFiT9ZP9vXwvSw4t2 +98TxKiXWbU68dzlgzlN5113Ot8/PTpZlw1kqzfnMSUJTNy6Ea5m1RPGxzLmLJvpLGOs Wb8w== o12mr13296543wii.28.1358745866547; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.195.13.165 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:24:26 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:24:26 +0200 From: Don Hiscock To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net X2 on PB Blaster. The stuff works the best of all the things I've tried over the years. For the toughest jobs repeated applications and soak times over a month can help, as Randall notes. A can lasts a couple of years in my garage -- good value, and no point in scrimping on home-brew. Don On 1/21/13, Randall wrote: >> "Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on >> various penetrating oils. > > That was actually a long time ago, unless they republished the article. > >> Ib ve been using Kroil for years; NOW they tell me! > > Results may vary. I've tried "weasel pee" several times, and it does not > work as well as either Kroil or PB Blaster for me. But I don't use it on > "scientifically rusted" bolts; nor do I particularly care how much torque > it > takes to turn the bolt as long as I can remove it without twisting it off. > There is still a baby food jar of it sitting on the shelf, but I reach for > PBB first. > > Oh, one other thing, neither Kroil nor PBB seem to do very much at first. > You have to let them soak to penetrate, the longer the better. In severe > cases (like the long pins that locate the rear springs to the frame on a > TR3), I'll let it soak for weeks (with occasional BFH taps to help the > penetration). Since the weasel pee separates in a matter of minutes, I > can't imagine that soaking helps much with it. > > PS, if anyone knows the actual issue of MW, would you pass it along to me? > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 07:06:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7334424A9 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:06:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4980340536 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 14:01:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 14:01:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 14:01:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 90131 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 14:01:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358776919; bh=4yWIoN/ZyYe5C4LLHVe3+w3nLeImogaSiZwbHooaSjs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=irtHE630M40vfyO8V3rWJtMX3yi8eTqLqiWege4LnR6QZ69kmsG/asDmIEsxCJEMgOcxvlT5INfIm+L1qXmxDs3wyXspYc8qGpIpOxiWtcac9QvyHW91/w4eybbeJpNiMmtye1f1/xIorKzbcQv2eqR2NYwFohsZC6o5ENBmShw= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0ITA8iMcFKsTUHTcE551QqkT1c21hS2cLKKCyRP/l/xF/cZHi6qS+gQ0mdqFfPiHT3GZyXqe0fqDJZL5lulbqY87KZi/aMfs0KFVPwDaqZGLo3fM/jSsR+kTJXxFJNFm8xNZTssv/EDiEg+Y/5JV5pPRlwFUDV8YSiotxWCXRHI=; fNGuyQZGaV65pvJAnO1Y1eW6zsxy6gZO5hG14arXmOBc6HeaPPutL9QVXzdt Bguk00bGeLKzrduxUrC8kqLysuidxcYoLhosBvVsB7F._i5WC_jjZORoddRf 4IAxxINJBVb.EtFczQ5WDNX5MCdTn4ESVeM_GY9YmXO4Ez1tFfNIgzwGDTo6 LIlxMQiXXRcJae63RqSxTmXOe6Mw0ruIgpa_UZpAbhB7mTkIp0SXR35Y6Wop Qda50kNshZWeiEwXxChzIH0jeLoV2qy7MokDcXFv2WIl8qxCB_o91ViJU2ss v8eB5NbYMsrClmcoBWhz836L5koXHFx34t30VUaj0oujuY76a0wDAKyysCkm QC.OZ935RMjNvrlSNRDak3_sorT93gSRRTHRUDYok4RrMp4vucCPgwXFj8_P gqH3guhplwLlPyFlSCiiA.SSP0jRK9uuyIaTIrtiVzySNx8o8QJRDbxdD2FL pykeXIwCpCFgZEDR78pOyYOqnR8jEpdDoVypQVxlMK5Ks1hjAi0vhRfaDqry EbBSaWy_8FlQKwlUJxbjW00ejliqAucsOCehSflN3DTCdNaVRzkFrkKxavND uuGMP9hk8U6voWktyDIab1KyO88uyvvYCDlpxdHn_M4tmMoiyarRC25tdbZr hjTNXCui_a.1VOIJsCpXgg7y.wsubAUgoq2Q- Received: from [108.220.119.171] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:01:58 PST wqDCoMKgwqAgSSd2ZSByZWFjaGVkIHRoYXQgcG9pbnQgaW4gbGlmZSB3aGVyZSBJIG5lZWQgc3VzcGVuZGVycyB0byBrZWVwIG15IHBhbnRzIGZyb20gc2FnZ2luZy4gSSB3ZWFyIGZsYW5uZWwgbGluZWQgcGFudHMgaW4gdGhlIHdpbnRlcnMgYW5kIGl0IGlzIHRvbyBtdWNoIGZvciBhIGJlbHQgdG8gaGFuZGxlLiBJJ3ZlIGJlZW4gd2VhcmluZyBzb21lIGV4dHJhLWNvcm55IHJlZCBzdXNwZW5kZXJzIHdpdGggZmFybSBhbmltYWxzIG9uIHRoZW0gKGZyb20gR2VybWFueSksIGJ1dCB3YW50ZWQgc29tZXRoaW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've reached that point in life where I need suspenders to keep my pants from sagging. I wear flannel lined pants in the winters and it is too much for a belt to handle. I've been wearing some extra-corny red suspenders with farm animals on them (from Germany), but wanted something less dorky, if there is such a thing as less dorky than suspenders. I found some with fish on them and others that looked like big tape measures with tools. Even skull & crossbones. I finally bought a set of suspenders with British cars on them and everyone seems to like them and think that they fit me. If you search for "car suspenders" on Ebay they should come up. Only $9.95 and made in USA. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Men-s-Womans-Antique-Car-Suspenders-Made-in-USA-/23 0868600316?pt=US_Men_s_Accessories&hash=item35c0d745fc Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 07:47:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41127424C3 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:47:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22924055D for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (97-116-168-39.mpls.qwest.net [97.116.168.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0LEgr0h019046 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:42:54 -0600 (CST) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:42:54 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Winter Driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 08:33:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A9F424C9 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:33:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47496424A5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 15:28:56 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.239] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 15:28:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 15:28:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 17492 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 15:28:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358782136; bh=7D4LFcUc20daaElfV9iQQeekZBoDy+FVOAFRdr9GqIs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EMt3g6PDi1SRb5I/6+rBLrf8oqGmCRBWYci9robzxou0pungi3dwanIc8Q/OHwZSd7Yy2LdbXCdea8ilSBHE/M7xz68tAeLVpyvJktDf93pX7/BRKtHKdI8ylnOmZwg4iE6zLXDNNnPoh9TEVfBaiLE5wPSLK5ic5LVMANg5yIQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j41OkIPJBOwhjv9VO9EdeGhu8UIlFld9+m18Y5oZFaE+Hf2D+qdqHsghiZ4ruMrHbjHcxPzVdxx683ai10wEbblJzkKXQ5ELOFG6dzDMgyncKPwD3j+rewHHGiQXndYxe/JTBzScrjTA3kavgyS7f8XfQ8PhI54RJFPxThS6tQA=; _dL3b87_0IwLb4ndWZVwG8LlMT4Tkd6P_3cF6GQNqRHAZLgIapvgDb4ifXrP QCUEPhAHJnMfPMTiRKuVZ_zsnUPUldWuHEd0jW1AkFzpLFB3PlR9gNzmxYTK HpmTt4kVae4743_c8eYH_hM9K.4cqy1qHZRUPbvBmDkGOr8l9T1BkiT2mgqd cSePEXHfTdTEMpqBTo6nDD2PXUp0R.3vZH.PpjUIo3NqVjj7orCJEQrYjEH0 LjFkqlc8sbrnbni6UlVq7XvRqGsgCRH0IpneHyGUFfjoCDyGDpzvgN0s1l1R mYs_4UfHgwSMpbzakrEAMU.IVgcm1K7LFJ06qP3ekMX8e41sxVA3w5wtYlE3 yy.nZde3LV3uYj3vpIkJ8HINiKS5Bcm9cfyK4cenYTKHdFx0Yz0qXfkFgPrf wgaraMaztdb7Gszh_xKCbZdZgl1kGlwRsNKMID4pnJ7IdpPu5KF5jjtOhxj5 QMaUq2CrAz.nwJwYkFnc19eDIinOCKheJDfZZ98wkMGUROPtQZiy7WTVPm8e x5JWdZydelTe0pJGu4aD_4s.AF1XCa1AC8u82k3CPyHIWh.ZA.EH6x9o- Received: from [90.199.100.8] by web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:28:56 GMT RGVsaWdodCEhISBJJ20gbm90IHRoZSBvbmx5IG9uZSB3aG8gaGFzIG1hZGUgdGhlIGNvbnZlcnNpb24uIE15IHRyb3VzZXJzIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBzdGF5aW5nIHVwIHRoaXMgd2F5IGZvciB0aGUgbGFzdCB5ZWFyIGFuZCBJJ3ZlIGdvdCBhIHZhcmlldHkgaW4gZXh0cmEgd2lkZSBpbiBhbGwgc29ydHMgb2YgZGlmZmVyZW50IGNvbG91cnMuIE5vdCB0b28ga2VlbiBvbiB0aGUgJ3NoYXJrJ3MgdGVldGgnIHdhaXN0YmFuZCBjbGFtcCB2YXJpZXR5wqBhcyB0aGVyZSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gYSBmZXcgb2NjYXNpb25zIHcBMAEBAQE- References: <1358776918.64557.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:28:56 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Delight!!! I'm not the only one who has made the conversion. My trousers have been staying up this way for the last year and I've got a variety in extra wide in all sorts of different colours. Not too keen on the 'shark's teeth' waistband clamp variety as there have been a few occasions when one has come adrift under tension and I've either had a smack in the face or a clout round the back of the head for my trouble. Might even wear them with shorts next year and I'm not in the slightest bit worried about "what people think." I'm comfortable and that's all that matters. Jonmac ________________________________ From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013, 14:01 Subject: [TR] British Car Suspenders > I've reached that point in life where I need suspenders to keep my pants >from sagging. I wear flannel lined pants in the winters and it is too much for >a belt to handle. I've been wearing some extra-corny red suspenders with farm >animals on them (from Germany), but wanted something less dorky, if there is >such a thing as less dorky than suspenders. I found some with fish on them and >others that looked like big tape measures with tools. Even skull & crossbones. >I finally bought a set of suspenders with British cars on them and everyone >seems to like them and think that they fit me. If you search for "car >suspenders" on Ebay they should come up. Only $9.95 and made in USA. > > > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Men-s-Womans-Antique-Car-Suspenders-Made-in-USA-/23 >0868600316?pt=US_Men_s_Accessories&hash=item35c0d745fc > > Bill in Tehachapi > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 08:38:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065194252A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:38:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4193A424BE for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:37:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qfRD1k0070QkzPwAAfZekV; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:33:38 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qfZd1k00t2xZMJ48NfZdEx; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:33:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:33:37 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: William Brewer s=q20121106; t=1358782418; bh=19n22eJnm9wA4R8tlbxonzt1wvp9N5Km7fc22fZ+HJU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=nc8ZgLGzZr1mr4GlCgzwDndXwaELWEEPEzrtkTrRpogRkRydC12QV+WFpTsWUHTu7 nKmibP/LYihfYWnyIcIGMAjQJTQjU57GlIXMsO0MGA7VfLccUmC0TPH9NeM8CTxPhv Cj8ECJzUz8s/Hg/8NM6QOu2QeVVc6il0lQAz35/EwLZVCbxK6NajfHXX3MTqgAZONC rU78wB8N+Nh+mk8Z+k8vir1HLLRHdjtKPsgFvbbTdJYORGNhjO2EPEwFj+ypo7ePqj 0UtPaU+jYFu2nHDMKKdcP7guYPT69FVb84osGhkGmQKftu+CxmBgDSaFwzVtzF7MJ+ /mq12PkO1ZEKQ== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If they have British cars on them, you have to call them "braces". Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Brewer" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:01:58 AM > Subject: [TR] British Car Suspenders > I've reached that point in life where I need suspenders to keep my > pants > from sagging. I wear flannel lined pants in the winters and it is too > much for > a belt to handle. I've been wearing some extra-corny red suspenders > with farm > animals on them (from Germany), but wanted something less dorky, if > there is > such a thing as less dorky than suspenders. I found some with fish on > them and > others that looked like big tape measures with tools. Even skull & > crossbones. > I finally bought a set of suspenders with British cars on them and > everyone > seems to like them and think that they fit me. If you search for "car > suspenders" on Ebay they should come up. Only $9.95 and made in USA. > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Men-s-Womans-Antique-Car-Suspenders-Made-in-USA-/23 > 0868600316?pt=US_Men_s_Accessories&hash=item35c0d745fc > > Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 08:39:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5714C42528 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:39:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81B4403FA for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:39:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qfWe1k0041vN32cA5fbQbP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:35:24 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qfbQ1k00A2xZMJ48ifbQcw; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:35:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:35:24 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Joe DeMuth s=q20121106; t=1358782524; bh=7LTL9fqnAjsZ5p2LhHA6Mehe5JmAoy39ZfZPu+nYgBU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=IsoyQzExMX8X7irixNrN04sMcqtH9btfriaYJMiNUq4IBGPKp40M4+wG39F6bYbhk NxiSKpMHzERkObhRXXDRR+hIiCqQLuSdSgV3Rw8kYnW92irpq+6sk3taIkbRy/MH7e GNgCfVixq+VDwovc09Bkav4bpjSl+XPZzKFS0i4mAhk/fsH34Kcv/PkGN0Fk8oCXsX lMdEyK7PIkCwLMEzRSZ+W/c8Z2NVGRb/maVHaWXxpGioXt9QGvqqATik0fy+zfDrkD 9siNaupadGSNWUlvqT8iTdys/6x/4N909Wi2V01pKRuOEaRxCn9II5xzNesWQRRsHe juVfJtsowrD8w== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Winter driving indeed, Joe. It looks like a complete white-out. :-) Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe DeMuth" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:42:54 AM > Subject: [TR] Winter Driving > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:01:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE6E4254B for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:01:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFEF40338 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 15:57:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.199] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 15:57:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 15:57:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32238 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 15:57:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358783835; bh=yZDszI86dBkqGobAt9xZpyptWMJT5j1qPXQPzZgHerQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dC4DqdrRCD6ASLOanhutPG6l3dZcW63BwgH1k4JXcrED7vqTkih8Kzfp+Bfj0p3AWC1SXB8feeMBGynXg+2wc0w/CIJiUaOGC2ww6AAxNe/HZHpmMnqFBE0iEzvraavZNwwC/RgJNhkaYcjPAU9Fru1R60q3oIfdKG8b740Zvqw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aPi3Ukkux7Czm2c3UNNo2+F5EnHUmz4dBixk6dGLFQC4d15R0DN4TuWjCqL4lGSCIjxh/TVUCAhRZAzVdaLQl02vaF68itAkI4818fHymJyBaao1LXXQ72iAT0ZE430bmm34T0A2SZ4dDItNmITOh4z0RdVTldXB0PjlPhrK3dI=; JIHzQ0V7nO0WwmupFC7HxGIe4xTjHOIYmSj30wnw2nRCXVtUbk4GR9ROluOW bqzqdbLSCbrhAvpdTsH0EX.E8SwAyGvVZYk7OctKyPrFTBcExGy5EkDUvvxB zyP8IJ8ydMJOrISa8lLDpmWr8ulzVkH.9CJ7wJ576N8O1cCUtbxG2TXlYs7s n6If4BbbZmqsd7G8UJeT3Oa3mni4ObXCFl28dEFM_mLhdAguxkXul3xwTbB0 wIXcboGcAE8TQLgdYw.a.blWNzJicBXVW9EdFiBE37bK8gD1YmXq128.th07 OZJODSA57.y7_kTu6U43Vg1libejcWpTfUGrQSS3TG74QzxgjlbfOjud1m_U y.XSjpsoSgD7mfAAAYJLEa_qnwoyofr9TZS86eB4Ir30_wBHoFqi4OnOAaPB RphYJVCeZ2qqoHvjN8mC8tP2xxo_t4Zxl8lS15wtzbMD2NHHNNnM7GWzv9gg JoBekIIaPIvTEd3GHN.EMiKO2Ev690SoidFVbOwhcgIV9JFcPXIkiU4k8tZ6 O5aF95aW9tv0e3bByWifC9nMZ75sZ1JGzpG29xZVOqGB8tFQgi1VJvKjQW1O T1P.J0L82rp9QwA8wMtkcc3ot66nv4REioCB.JVVBNDqjf17uzgI- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:57:14 PST eW91IG5lZWQgYSBwYWlyIGxpa2UgcmVkIGdyZWVuIHdlYXJzLgpvZiBjb3Vyc2UgeW91IGNvdWxkIGdvIGZvciB0aGUgIkZsb3JpZGEiIGxvb2sgd2l0aCBubyBzdXNwZW5kZXJzCsKgCkZyYW5rCgpGcm9tOiBXaWxsaWFtIEJyZXdlciA8d3NiMTk2MHRyM2FAYXR0Lm5ldD4KVG86IFRyaXVtcGhzIDx0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IE1vbmRheSwgSmFudWFyeSAyMSwgMjAxMyA2OjAxIEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtUUl0gQnJpdGlzaCBDYXIgU3VzcGVuZGVycwoKwqAgwqAgSSd2ZSByZWFjaGUBMAEBAQE- References: <1358776918.64557.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net you need a pair like red green wears. of course you could go for the "Florida" look with no suspenders Frank From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:01 AM Subject: [TR] British Car Suspenders I've reached that point in life where I need suspenders to keep my pants from sagging. I wear flannel lined pants in the winters and it is too much for a belt to handle. I've been wearing some extra-corny red suspenders with farm animals on them (from Germany), but wanted something less dorky, if there is such a thing as less dorky than suspenders. I found some with fish on them and others that looked like big tape measures with tools. Even skull & crossbones. I finally bought a set of suspenders with British cars on them and everyone seems to like them and think that they fit me. If you search for "car suspenders" on Ebay they should come up. Only $9.95 and made in USA. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Men-s-Womans-Antique-Car-Suspenders-Made-in-USA-/23 0868600316?pt=US_Men_s_Accessories&hash=item35c0d745fc Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:18:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E18E40E17 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:18:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8CF40E17 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A023F1C000129 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mhe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.131]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5CAE6E000088 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:14:24 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.137.63 by webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.94) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:14:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:14:24 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358784864; bh=UXFgiSFoJMkHuiMQAztYtKujFnllHLL2kShXjv4oV3A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eSIpilHEM3XlRZjfbdYnyGaZmIrNiomfQoFqV7KfI0jUrbYh8dE78bEjfuW5HIw+l eciLMzD6RAEdcoCDgKPEoOZOiuw8t25tCHbQUTxkxw7cMZ9phBQvNpsCDvCZ1fA+ig qTcEsj9n7wHjls1Kt/HvcXOXHPl7T5/1GRuOWIsU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b50fd69600416 Subject: Re: [TR] Penetrating oils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I liked using the Kroil products, but lack of local availability turned me off, whereas I can get PB Blaster anywhere, including the nearest Walmart. PBB works very well for me; if it doesn't, next step is a propane torch, then the Sawz-All (or other implement of power cutting ability)! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock X2 on PB Blaster.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:25:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C636B4252A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:25:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C788424DA for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 27AC11C00015F for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DB042E000081 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:15:23 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358784924; bh=t1hMp+B39FP+zPYPt53RsYFvFLmg6uLgJzHBgnE0c5M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MUMtoWWqHgA/scrFqb2MUN0OKU6SiQ8ZQe52thiVugc4j8CgZ1nzgBYs8yeACw8kb Y20dpp8J1fPd2HWhFWWBfAY/+Ipk3ciE7D5aw+G7KO8TeVzQlXVfQA+DGttaT2bcN+ 43nSYl1W3ca03at83x/wLov7BkuUBGTq/rxfdrEE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50fd699b416e Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have not yet made the conversion to suspenders to hold up my troosers but I do use a pair to keep my kilt in position when I am wearing my doublet. The doublet positions the kilt belt too high and it tends to work the kilt down to where it reaches below the knees and that is just not proper. The sporan is no help at all. Dave In a message dated 1/21/2013 9:29:05 AM Central Standard Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Delight!!! I'm not the only one who has made the conversion. My trousers > have > been staying up this way for the last year and I've got a variety in extra > wide in all sorts of different colours. Not too keen on the 'shark's > teeth' > waistband clamp variety as there have been a few occasions when one has > come > adrift under tension and I've either had a smack in the face or a clout > round > the back of the head for my trouble. > Might even wear them with shorts next > year and I'm not in the slightest bit worried about "what people think." > I'm > comfortable and that's all that matters. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:26:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5872742548 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:26:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E45640066 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 57363380000B7 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 08EDAE000086 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:19:04 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358785145; bh=GIjILDcn+YTPMkuC31rL/lGovuBmSi4fNSk3Sjqd89M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BC40KO7uvA2GYZ8cEb+R4RqW6liMQrhmYSapq7X504q38HxVrYMXNNcT09slrNdCY XOvNzZyhRyELGaEl1GBiSZ4ryvViUUrlQORB4lF/PxU4glYgNZPF/Y09cVOPPVIt2q oeQebLJyRfcn4Wx6ziLV9BHPNqys7gvmLs7NnJEg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d50fd6a7954e7 Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What? Duct Tape suspenders? In a message dated 1/21/2013 9:57:22 AM Central Standard Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > you need a pair like red green wears. > of course you could go for the "Florida" > look with no suspenders ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:37:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367A340E17 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:37:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C1A340412 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.189] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:31:27 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.210] by tm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:31:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:31:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358785886; bh=7Dg3t5Z6HwLzQZyoO8J/56ywWoO7akBaSKfd+itXUio=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=fjlrGMfNNeWNEsAvgzQ67sQRd20p0ttSES+Lo9c+fBZ20/PSMqXRLxJJ3i7tFWdm8RpdHleXFc1Uf8hQ4rX2Nn+dtBHTnxIHxsFJDtqKjivdG0I1PgBtquyrPSXbCitrOrOUbQfXZjlB+M6u/K8DDpaKo3YA9Dxb2zZton4yznc= Ml6QaenxC1CqJ7Lr.C1VoE1x5dwtwNAbNmzMN8_slnjSVPyFYPVZDZpNrw47 yrVMfYLLufnD_WjsbWtD3M09DsLs9iKmqJy3lREtMURQdcS.j_6X4Be9w29n 8xmh.YT1RWcit052Jr9oiOxkvS.jEpe3rR42XtdKUqjwILeLz0zV9t4amZ27 E4gYWesgNcW.32XgK8Y7rKowcekFkEWntVOoXsTk6IwfgByND6u_aPRSdOJj r_4aC8U9M8VEjwy9DH0HiIR1KSo7LKZg2RtHx9EbuCcLIkT3o0IrjulTNjVN x0I1iMuHiPGIqcSPLRtAej27ZmHl4Nn22e_vZmU22hObkZyTEHG6ng8zLiA4 xAWNeMrJIm_UhxzEI6eFrpyGvZYxXUuzHQWWvT3WW27rAzOmb.P.eouxvDEs NtuXcLRAly5qyjD7fDbDwxROqjnM4HCMXBp3_QqrKnG_nrEmN3P9QAs9hu2Q xIfRBPhM2nIy5zVnv4iNoHydDfodAwjW1KBDC2c5rwp4Quo1XoxuwX_zlAS7 zGimAGaArG_fYATvHnK.Sr_dh.9kTdH1cvjz2pVAd4xd.xu_0uPaqYYCFT8X Avzqyotop9q5aQrtoYovrY22rr.Qoawor9JSEJSdPyBcp0AEBrKzkkR4wmA- - Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp221.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2013 08:31:26 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: , References: <1358565173.98112.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><50FA848B.709@key-men.com> <002601cdf67a$5b277d10$11767730$@net> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:31:23 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac32OHVKKaosp3krTqOYR/qhnUJeEAAQPdgAAF6UE7A= Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of side curtains, here is an auction for some aftermarket side screens on eBay. I have a set of these that came with my car, but never figured out just how to properly install them, or if they are worth installing at all. Has anyone had any experience with these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/360489318490?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m1423.l2649 Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:23 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build My approach was bit different - I used the router attachment on my Dremel to cut a slot in the plastic, leaving sufficient material at the top and bottom. I then used a sewing awl to sew through the side curtain material together through and for the length of the slot. Worked for me. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Richardson Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build I used a big old Singer industrial sewing machine on the plastic and it just punched through. However, I did do some touchup on the ends by using a sewing awl and heating the needle so that it melted through the plastic. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/18/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm rebuilding my tr-3 side curtains and things are going well. > However I'm having a problem fitting the forward solid window. It's > very thin plexiglass and the only information I've been able to find > simply says the front plexi window is sewn in with the vinyl trim. > Does a person drill small holes through the plexiglass to pull the > thread through? Is the thread then looped around the forward vertical > frame to pull it tight? The forward vertical frame piece is also very > thin and I'm wondering how to glue vinyl to that as well as attach the > plexiglass. > > > Just wondering is anyone has re-built they're side screens themselves > and how they handled this. > > thanks > > gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:40:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AC7424E5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:40:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7366B40416 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:38:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:34:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.232] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:34:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:34:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 96888 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 16:34:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358786062; bh=068CPewOK2ZvZ7sTkZuaJ9ZetCQWa/iVgRDuNnuZ4eg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fjlhBL4gh9z16bLWHcxNEaxY9w1LNdh4bSZTzLGSrDVYF+BL5PElqDsteZ48aZvgyjXbV9mdNZFEq43wS+xIg9Y24qIuckLrXHm2GvLJQlhlASbwiONvpvZEsDk8Uufv98IF6mw7PpVRaTpBZUalYQfZnA1Tfevksdtum1t+i8A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5y35fXzjXgPuuE02g1wdPaszWpBJOcDg9gUr+XwLzLLceo29ZAMJkmpRVTTB879L2xe0lc6kqNPdG19Tw5wl8mAx+y1BGruHOWdI+c4O5lHvmPbF7XtA90VGvFkI3L/mGUHvfOauNoOgw+U1qf4q9uZHQkFHPUwz4+aLX4sjDu8=; ofw4i9YiYgq.waOj6BGtTk5roY_Wtj7SNYNSPP16qNup0tNESoNSUgIPN2M0 Tao.iuo1FzEdMyOib564WQjdIaLONG9jO9qyQPQFsc0KiyP6008wO_hhgzkn 3FB0i7EXBYQHxvwiS09KdvMgsPdA68XgOudQSGobL3IR_wBwkS4mIOQLiOrL SU.KQ1qK8iq81GmKxrvydBFJG52yUn9U7.la1OhHYknGaQwJGnwsAUPRb1jD lXJlEORLDrFitmcKxm4XOH8rUq7ufI2nsMxATI7RQaJYwNzsaq5_SLYHNtNJ xE0px_mUSBgOgbF05SvqT0krI_FRIWqc1F5QNtIjWfALK4EI8hjh0nqO0TgJ pOr2gIUzoq69iPqFNs_g9.qxOV9_8BsoMskLdIJw4uYutSVzkm.NhpjvW6xN NeC6OaPgznLq.Z68PAnsTpimDuZmZoHL8n40EtuDQaJDrGdO7plpotXxKOUP A.BT4E67yyhIMkXCyrhpk Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:34:21 PST eW91IHNheSB0aGF0IGxpa2UgdGhlcmUgaXMgc29tZXRoaW5nIHdyb25nICEhCsKgCgpGcm9tOiAiRGF2ZTFtYXNzZXlAY3MuY29tIiA8RGF2ZTFtYXNzZXlAY3MuY29tPgpUbzogdHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IE1vbmRheSwgSmFudWFyeSAyMSwgMjAxMyA4OjE5IEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbVFJdIEJyaXRpc2ggQ2FyIFN1c3BlbmRlcnMKCldoYXQ_wqAgRHVjdCBUYXBlIHN1c3BlbmRlcnM_CgpJbiBhIG1lc3NhZ2UgZGF0ZWQgMS8yMS8yMDEzIDk6NTc6MjIgQU0gQ2VudHJhbCBTdGEBMAEBAQE- References: <213eb.74f5e47a.3e2ec478@cs.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net you say that like there is something wrong !! From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders What? Duct Tape suspenders? In a message dated 1/21/2013 9:57:22 AM Central Standard Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > you need a pair like red green wears. > of course you could go for the "Florida" > look with no suspenders ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 09:41:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9394259C for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C01424E4 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:36:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:36:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 16:36:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 30627 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 16:36:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358786186; bh=TTdgNGK2+cLcCMA2OQBw20Cwal1sW9mCD1nRtWXAB1s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6pFO1nYpFQU3K45mQTWxIky8lBiR56W7lr+Ev5+SQJc0MzkwYJAg1o3AsDiG17PjfMzswdW0oKeywyq1weTApeUpzL1mihVWlkC27lN+0Xm6EwskCHtYfz6JBTKJYrYcpk/MKDSPQgTGoL+CJQ15QdTHKI4i/BnKue8y1l8wYAw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JPRucB4SpKmG1xhPlyZb3upWi7wBGDRlxAvMQm72oPtN38BEklXl4WObqNhmNGYMnalhYMX1S12sBTIBJZmqYeo7mrCbZ2e1CfEaZXF4awRimDfHg2+ZPCQgbhgUz3XVFOXIBi9+mJyRvqi3lXZN2WdkU+TkgBYzH+CsJVRLKQI=; _YNbrEQcwj78VbBpT43KWBSeKpPq2n0m37EU5nNAke2JUqeFTj5IHvwuHXcH qOjqKAhDV.6ezMI7oDrRNYKu0o_Xakt8jxiqiwCwJp2vutHEPLslsDLO8a9e S.AaRRCMLBm21DmhkLJJm4IrLYXcIBPe5bGyxdeuOmEgiFTr9sUOv0NTuztZ THyF6_bPXNnJkEioeuxRfJFlPBGHmYzwx3V_WZOqtuKKlj8aYda1gQXyfjRg nfAtlE7gD5hunie7oaErUUb31HLfaRN8tCoM2X.eNKhHDluIZg.nzxSX9tl6 BjQhJo3A48XHNv8_N6s1xr0f7MTyb2eoYudA2hE05djUD4SRHjVJooVmRkng kIRY2gJf1wskQx2fUv20qpL4KDYOVW2GvfDGJ8lCDZlVq4M9tKBf.Fh4ttzm eFRM_awvmlYpzGB.V.0eNAtDFdrqty.fJ2IdSJKfnBt75yVUM5o6QmUiAfIy mwoVtPz3meLLSRRqNRL2R Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:36:26 PST RGF2ZQppIGRpZCBub3Qga25vdyB3aGF0IGEga2lsdCB3YXMgdW50aWwgaSBnb2dnbGVkIGl0LgppcyBpdCBsaWtlIGEgbWFuIGRyZXNzPwrCoAo6LSkKwqAKRnJhbmsuLi4uYW4gRW5nbGlzaG1hbiBkaXNndWlzZWQgYXMgYW4gQW1lcmljYW4KCkZyb206ICJEYXZlMW1hc3NleUBjcy5jb20iIDxEYXZlMW1hc3NleUBjcy5jb20.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDIxLCAyMDEzIDg6MTUgQU0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUUl0gQnJpdGlzaCBDYXIgU3VzcGUBMAEBAQE- References: <211eb.1cdd1fd2.3e2ec39b@cs.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave i did not know what a kilt was until i goggled it. is it like a man dress? :-) Frank....an Englishman disguised as an American From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders I have not yet made the conversion to suspenders to hold up my troosers but I do use a pair to keep my kilt in position when I am wearing my doublet. The doublet positions the kilt belt too high and it tends to work the kilt down to where it reaches below the knees and that is just not proper. The sporan is no help at all. Dave In a message dated 1/21/2013 9:29:05 AM Central Standard Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Delight!!! I'm not the only one who has made the conversion. My trousers > have > been staying up this way for the last year and I've got a variety in extra > wide in all sorts of different colours. Not too keen on the 'shark's > teeth' > waistband clamp variety as there have been a few occasions when one has > come > adrift under tension and I've either had a smack in the face or a clout > round > the back of the head for my trouble. > Might even wear them with shorts next > year and I'm not in the slightest bit worried about "what people think." > I'm > comfortable and that's all that matters. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 10:04:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA6C403BA for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:04:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648B3424CE for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (97-116-168-39.mpls.qwest.net [97.116.168.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0LGxxj5005470 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:00:00 -0600 (CST) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:59:59 -0600 References: <9136AE95-A7E9-4389-8AAF-664CB27EC402@ties2.net> To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Fwd: Winter Driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I bought my first TR3 the year I graduated from college. I drove it all winter long, commuting to my job but also driving home for the holidays from Minneapolis to southwestern Minnesota. > While at home, the temp nose-dived to twenty below. There was a New Year's Eve party that I was committed to attending and of course, the TR was frozen solid. A charcoal fire in a garbage > can lid for four hours thawed it out enough to turn over, and I made the party on time. Even had time to stop in New Ulm and pick up a college buddy and several bottles of wine for the party. > But that was the last winter I had the car. In the spring the choice was keep the car or marry the gal that hosted the party, I couldn't afford both, so I went with, and still have the party host. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 10:04:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788A542551 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:04:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from g1t0026.austin.hp.com (g1t0026.austin.hp.com [15.216.28.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9054256E for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:04:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from G2W4316.americas.hpqcorp.net (g2w4316.austin.hp.com [16.197.9.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by g1t0026.austin.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A139C311 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from G1W5781.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.193.25.255) by G2W4316.americas.hpqcorp.net (16.197.9.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:59:10 +0000 Received: from G1W3650.americas.hpqcorp.net ([169.254.8.109]) by G1W5781.americas.hpqcorp.net ([16.193.25.255]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:59:10 +0000 From: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" To: Triumphs Thread-Topic: [TR] British Car Suspenders Thread-Index: AQHN99/+LE8Q3NUErkKZaXZv/ukJsJhT6ZyAgAAXkSA= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:59:09 +0000 References: <1358776918.64557.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1709124542.65191.1358782417943.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [16.193.232.32] Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That would be bracers. Women wear suspenders. Stan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pethier@comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:34 AM To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders If they have British cars on them, you have to call them "braces". Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Brewer" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:01:58 AM > Subject: [TR] British Car Suspenders > I've reached that point in life where I need suspenders to keep my > pants from sagging. I wear flannel lined pants in the winters and it > is too much for a belt to handle. I've been wearing some extra-corny > red suspenders with farm animals on them (from Germany), but wanted > something less dorky, if there is such a thing as less dorky than > suspenders. I found some with fish on them and others that looked like > big tape measures with tools. Even skull & crossbones. > I finally bought a set of suspenders with British cars on them and > everyone seems to like them and think that they fit me. If you search > for "car suspenders" on Ebay they should come up. Only $9.95 and made > in USA. > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Men-s-Womans-Antique-Car-Suspenders-Made-in- > USA-/23 0868600316?pt=US_Men_s_Accessories&hash=item35c0d745fc > > Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan.foster@hp.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 10:26:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BB74252C for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:26:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E297C424DC for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:24:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 90A151C0000A5; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 60B77E000085; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:20:42 -0500 (EST) To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358788842; bh=Kxs10/VNKDjWJhLxDCA1rdveBVBygYeohogg9EEY/jA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ufTlESgOcjxn+vTeEj4GkPtiqiJGDf8YMwtcLCK9lGB5k0Ysd1QJ649dUIJpItZyN +Y2z9PDYR5yrgGuQgvfNP4LQ47a9Ziq7jUwJfoHBHsjIVwcY8Wq69XwDo5NG0hDita udZmGeJ9SFQszXKG2pibBYsN//3LFKPvg/6yN+rE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50fd78ea626b Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are there any other kind? ;-) In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:34:23 AM Central Standard Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > you say that like there is something wrong !! > > > > > From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders > > > What? Duct Tape suspenders? > > In a message dated 1/21/2013 9:57:22 AM Central Standard Time, > yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > >you need a pair like red green wears. > >of course you could go for the "Florida" > >look with no suspenders ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 10:33:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0254253A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:33:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EA7424C3 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:33:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1BCD01C000073; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id ADB79E000085; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:29:10 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:29:10 -0500 (EST) To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358789351; bh=nEIsgpthGbNBVMPsqarlr8CoVRC7orEgCwaGZwjRLSU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jd9/pwvJKmdXqNcOGlJu60jfjizoKqu2+3rk7yAPrXmgm8Kdt6TnDBAAURJLS4P7c kQUGBTTAqbfm/OAxiwQNecUR7bSo5XTvyF9Twjs55gMb3u3qmJMLVkErFz21x8cyJM jH+KAMKHPA7f3kKJ7h58nJ4fRYgPJL2M9pHfucFo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294950fd7ae67e35 Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is called a "Kilt" because many have been "Kilt" for calling it a dress. ;-) In a message dated 1/21/2013 10:36:27 AM Central Standard Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > Dave > i did not know what a kilt was until i goggled it. > is it like a man dress? > > :-) > > Frank....an Englishman disguised as an American ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 11:21:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B30342545 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:21:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F9B424D7 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:20:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c790e.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.121.14]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MGZ00E4ZMRH89P0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:16:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:16:30 -0500 From: Dennis Culligan To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac34A2+ExrqmlOy4SfO5vjt1/h80Kg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders (would they hold up a British car?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net William Brewer wrote: > I've reached that point in life where I need suspenders to keep my pants from sagging. One of the original members of our 20 year old car club (The Brits of the Hudson) has been wearing Union Jack suspenders for as long as I've known him. Available on Amazon for $11.95 (NFI). Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 11:35:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C12F4253B for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:35:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AE4424DD for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:34:55 -0700 (MST) a=jDkdnrkWstximMMY+JpnFw==:17 a=xkgW_vOJTMkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=trccZ9kW1T0A:10 a=I_IKUcRZjcqmHiGtyr8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jDkdnrkWstximMMY+JpnFw==:117 Received: from [72.130.69.175] ([72.130.69.175:28243] helo=Lambert1) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D7/8F-06157-8598DF05; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:30:48 +0000 From: "D&B Lambert" To: References: <213eb.74f5e47a.3e2ec478@cs.com> <1358786061.56218.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:29:41 -0800 Thread-index: Ac339YjuUOzv6jgcSa6G2OlduvCBhgADmg8g Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just for a different looking pair of suspenders, those who receive The Vintage Triumph (VTR) magazine can see a pair of Triumph suspenders in the Triumphest display photo in the upper right corner on page 25 of the August/September 2012 issue. These were worn by one of our club members for many years until he donated them "for display purposes only". Dunno where he got them, but I do know it was many years ago. Dennis ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 11:53:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061E4253C for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:53:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01CD424D7 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:53:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from PetePC ([unknown] [96.243.151.183]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGZ0093ZO9UXKB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:49:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Peter Ryner" To: References: <1358736433.83146.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <39E86FA55F0C46F2AAC76BCD23719D79@Datsun> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:48:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We had our TR3 in Minot ND while stationed there. Had a very small block heater that allowed me two engine turnovers as long as the clutch was in. If it didn't start on the two turns, it wasn't going to start until afternoon. Just like you describe, the snow comes in the car, settles on the seat, and thaws when you sit on it. After the third day of winter the seat becomes a block of ice. Although we only lived about 10 minutes from work, I always had a wet seat by the time I got there. Carried a towel in the car to sit on. Kept me dry and worked like a champ. Also used the car for varmit hunting in the winter. Had to wear full outdoor gear when going down the highway. The "heater" kept the windshield clear once it got going and after you scraped the inside and outside glass first. Lots of great stories from that car - always an adventure when we drove it. Still have a TR although the one in Minot made it to Guam, but became too rusted to return home. The cross country trip to California is another story, but I made it without a breakdown. Pete > While working with my side curtains I've been impressed by how sloppy the > worn > ones fit as well as how hard it is to get a good tight fit on re-built > ones. > It made me wonder about how many brand new tr-3's were daily drivers back > then > throughout the whole year including winter especially in the midwest. > I can't > imagine a tr-3 even all buttoned up sitting outside during a midwest > winter. > Rain mostly comes straight down but blowing snow could sift through the > smallest opening and cover the whole inside; then melt. Imagine 3 day > white > out blizzards with 25-30 mile winds! > Anyone have these type of experiences? > LOL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 12:08:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2324254D for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:08:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62418424D4 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:08:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D27C21C000160 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msa003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.73]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 263B1E00009A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:04:08 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:04:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:04:08 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358795048; bh=AUlXtD+XMVNMrxoQW1hZ7kFrjJWIpLLEPTRUZxJjG4M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GkqEBx2dfyp4GIa5kIxGmPcpbb51gScIONVziD43FFq99WXU85PK8ozVz5NuSBOAp GNz/f9ptbLbN+Tc6+KCfBVsCFGz3nXsyhk7x+aB0Eki+p0hjlW1xBX14vs6JadUn+h QHUU3sWPuKQmIXMsktBnmea27fc+9VoKaM9FOEeE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d50fd91287b58 Subject: [TR] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA SEPTEMBER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Massey....you have given me an idea with your comments on the kilts. I know that several clubs are planning to attend the Kastner Cup. Could you be induced to bring your bagpipes? It could be a hoot at THE GATHERING ON THE GREEN. Have your agent contact my people. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 13:47:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BAA4254A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:47:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8884542537 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:42:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [96.249.153.70]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGZ0047CTCELC20@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:38:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: "'Wbeech'" , , References: <1358565173.98112.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><50FA848B.709@key-men.com> <002601cdf67a$5b277d10$11767730$@net> <887DD1414D0645588D8CB3FE7DD1402D@bboffice> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:38:41 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac32OHVKKaosp3krTqOYR/qhnUJeEAAQPdgAAF6UE7AACC9TQA== Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I have a set of those on my car. They work great. The soft lower part slides into a channel at the bottom of the aluminum frame. You need to put lift-a-dot fasteners along to bottom of that lower part so you can snap them to the outside of the door. Bought them in 1970 and used them ever since then. When I finished the restoration last year, I mounted a set of "real" ones that I bought for a king's ransom ..... didn't fit worth a darn, weren't even close (one was too high and too far forward, the other was too low and too far back). I drug these old ones out, cleaned them up, did a little adjusting and they work like a charm. Although these work fine, I would like to get the "real" ones to fit for esthetic purposes so if anyone can give me some hints on how to do the adjusting without stripping them down to bare frames it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime I'll keep the softsiders in the trunk wherever I go. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:31 AM To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Speaking of side curtains, here is an auction for some aftermarket side screens on eBay. I have a set of these that came with my car, but never figured out just how to properly install them, or if they are worth installing at all. Has anyone had any experience with these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/360489318490?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m1423.l2649 Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:23 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build My approach was bit different - I used the router attachment on my Dremel to cut a slot in the plastic, leaving sufficient material at the top and bottom. I then used a sewing awl to sew through the side curtain material together through and for the length of the slot. Worked for me. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Richardson Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build I used a big old Singer industrial sewing machine on the plastic and it just punched through. However, I did do some touchup on the ends by using a sewing awl and heating the needle so that it melted through the plastic. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/18/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm rebuilding my tr-3 side curtains and things are going well. > However I'm having a problem fitting the forward solid window. It's > very thin plexiglass and the only information I've been able to find > simply says the front plexi window is sewn in with the vinyl trim. > Does a person drill small holes through the plexiglass to pull the > thread through? Is the thread then looped around the forward vertical > frame to pull it tight? The forward vertical frame piece is also very > thin and I'm wondering how to glue vinyl to that as well as attach the > plexiglass. > > > Just wondering is anyone has re-built they're side screens themselves > and how they handled this. > > thanks > > gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 14:18:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B880740E43 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:18:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9F4403E6 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5ACA51C000043 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-meb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-meb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.46.137]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 34AA2E000086 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:16 -0500 (EST) From: Loumetelko@aol.com Full-name: Loumetelko Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:16 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358802616; bh=eTWDSfsPKWLL8JpbxpttflLmXkv3Uo+OBBeiLvRVf5g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=snBhEW9yN9DZjGDtbl6Q10A1WUqeKGG42FvoAsrkFl8I07Oqamg8By5JiJIoWRv/8 HYxYziiefL6vpuqiNlC0LgjJSpSLPhvAWvywsBsfDGQ4zmjszUfUfbGODzXl9lAdkJ +t7yKkxyoPNqYfG51ucot5XBlKNvfJ7YJ7LEvfXI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a50fdaeb8395b Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While working with my side curtains I've been impressed by how sloppy the worn ones fit as well as how hard it is to get a good tight fit on re-built ones. No matter if we are talking about drafty side curtains or leaking bodily fluids or cold natured starting or total lack of safety features just remember that in the 50s these cars were state of the art and therein lies the charm! During my wife's first ride in my freshly restored 54 TR2 we were inadvertently caught in a downpour and she started screaming "turn on the wipers". Those of you familiar with the one speed versions know the value of Rain-X over the wipers! She was stunned when I handed her a towel to wipe the inside of the windscreen! We both emerged with wet lower pant legs. Now some 35,000 miles later (she has been along for about 30 of those) we follow a road just to see where it ends. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 14:49:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AF740425 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:49:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB656403F7 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:47:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 224-123.speede.golden.net ([216.59.224.123] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TxP9V-0008BE-AK for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:43:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:43:51 -0500 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). I have used the pegs on the backside of the badge and the "spring clips", but never really satisfied with the fit. Also worried about how easy it would be to simply lift the badge off the body. Anyone use anything else? Almost tempted to use epoxy and worry about the consequences later. Thanks for any insights. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 14:50:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0344253E for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:50:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE5A403F7 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W78 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:43:57 -0800 From: marty sukey To: , "dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:43:57 -0500 References: <211eb.1cdd1fd2.3e2ec39b@cs.com>, <1358786186.11294.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[6A86E640:01CDF820] Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now darn it, who is going to clean up the coffee off my computer screen ! I don't care what Dave says, that's funny right there! :) :) :) Sorry Dave, Marty > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:36:26 -0800 > From: yellowtr3@yahoo.com > To: Dave1massey@cs.com; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders > > Dave > i did not know what a kilt was until i goggled it. > is it like a man > dress? > > :-) > > Frank....an Englishman disguised as an American ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 15:04:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770184254A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:04:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71FA40324 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1AB3D1C000089 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E77C2E000081 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:57:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:57:13 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358805434; bh=MNQCQ3l15cUj7PJIS2Yni4kJYPJ8caXcRIypRy/9t3w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LnCuiks2EnoJQ1xt7ryVZLkps+1ctqSgrMHfDojq2L5YZBHIaLg+JrFt3Kt0gDnBW IjvJ+ZQ3Uk34yqKNcHwps57H4QM+E0W3UBytl0oPJ8OIBwCHQEVGErbJ4NnMSDuf4H Z+ljH55Q4VQ9G2WRbCG3nWd76OCLp/RLklsZK/Dc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50fdb9b94f66 Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now you sound like my wife. In a message dated 1/21/2013 3:43:57 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty@hotmail.com writes: > I don't care what Dave says, that's funny right there! :) :) :) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 15:24:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01B442540 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:24:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F93A40409 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:24:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.251] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 22:20:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 77672 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 22:20:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358806818; bh=T4UXZ9YpLPr46viNtl8VJ8Zm7lNVhAuoFXwEhf1T8i8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h/e6HejNZkdI+3fD98hz7mjclD5XjT0DSP/uMziyFhf3kLJ6zOhgRFc906GlNLKG+4D9l0N9fvI6LbqYcxMpOU4KP5JfiEAfEpwixwtamUxhzp7aAUWdd4sWfsQaEyWGAiDlaRv0WLhy95MBGLqicHjemicx10hqcvR8yZ+78+w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Hw0mU+JLsG80RnPChSO2UGILG6l6+/kn6/c5D0EmPucOED5laQelSMWasakvzk240fvP//09HHaRUKOjz8OIyji6fE2LR86NuqClnvMxYrl2vm7J71u/xzdXlvGsM36OF21qy5YJBtMxvQs5LakTYcy/7SHYySBWx+42UNFElQQ=; LjNb8w7jl64VlfCdfts5m6ILmZpa4jKFYxJ0N4ppmSYbYws3JKvnfQYinFyV gCImIGy3TXWKgnhhSJvVOGpYxxzoit18QzFWIeVjqtf5MUeQ_nGdLzRHRzML gakmackrDsELZn6PiHDdYXZ_uBhe1prNcoroA_O2IcX5ijEZy0B4HWCrcjut 1roP0AIjANEyGQ0ZP1vSEFI8h0k4kkwJ7vEczdsNdlehiQC.mTil0SkseW3t Fbr54kKN.jPFDLLOZfKMQZryvQgj6w8p.U.LVtv.nqBseeBFdIffFx14laP1 AgyxDg7.ewG7pkk8s9UkLBcpQWDBC7znDHToFixH5tbXGFKRKOyhuEm_UBG4 3IDCToOc6DdgxXpEDvkY5v0ZdZiTFlh3gKVcBYxDK0LAaIfHORW6h2qMQOQK Y0aUjRoNv2ORN_4Mm1vleQ5pxQBxRVVtqMcZHGyZmsHkJWd3pbGC4YgIBDZD GARpK9wQdZizfsnhrieQ3.vpL5_i0HXmnV8E0zusLvZfTnhnN3KAktfGk_o_ D Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:20:17 PST c291bmRpbmcgbGlrZSB0aGUgd2lmZSBhbmQgbG9va2luZyBsaWtlIGEgbW9udHkgcHl0aG9uIHdpZmUuLi4uLm5vdCB0aGUgc2FtZSAhISEKwqAKCkZyb206ICJEYXZlMW1hc3NleUBjcy5jb20iIDxEYXZlMW1hc3NleUBjcy5jb20.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDIxLCAyMDEzIDE6NTcgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUUl0gQnJpdGlzaCBDYXIgU3VzcGVuZGVycwoKTm93IHlvdSBzb3VuZCBsaWtlIG15IHdpZmUuCgpJbiBhIG1lc3NhZ2UgZGF0ZWQBMAEBAQE- References: <139d9.45fd15a.3e2f13b9@cs.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net sounding like the wife and looking like a monty python wife.....not the same !!! From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Now you sound like my wife. In a message dated 1/21/2013 3:43:57 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty@hotmail.com writes: > I don't care what Dave says, that's funny right there! :) :) :) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 15:28:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D0542555 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:28:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE1AA40409 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16634 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2013 22:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.106.254) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.239) with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2013 22:24:07 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Wbeech'" , , References: <1358565173.98112.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><50FA848B.709@key-men.com> <002601cdf67a$5b277d10$11767730$@net> <887DD1414D0645588D8CB3FE7DD1402D@bboffice> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:24:07 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIdfqpp57HLZGog+2/fER40BmM/BgLqn6gHAWt8WckCQed1/ZeAjYlQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill: these are AMCO sidescreens - came out for a limited time and are quite valuable (I see the set sold for $400 on eBay). My car had the problem of the weight of "traditional" sidescreens causing the door to sag so it was difficult to close from inside. I found a pair of AMCO sidescreens and refurbished them. There is an individual on this distribution who was going to do it for me, but after 5 years I ended up doing it myself (no hard feelings). They were easy to install and I love them. If you don't want yours, I'll buy 'em! Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:31 AM To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build Speaking of side curtains, here is an auction for some aftermarket side screens on eBay. I have a set of these that came with my car, but never figured out just how to properly install them, or if they are worth installing at all. Has anyone had any experience with these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/360489318490?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m1423.l2649 Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:23 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build My approach was bit different - I used the router attachment on my Dremel to cut a slot in the plastic, leaving sufficient material at the top and bottom. I then used a sewing awl to sew through the side curtain material together through and for the length of the slot. Worked for me. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Richardson Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] side curtain build I used a big old Singer industrial sewing machine on the plastic and it just punched through. However, I did do some touchup on the ends by using a sewing awl and heating the needle so that it melted through the plastic. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 1/18/2013 10:12 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > I'm rebuilding my tr-3 side curtains and things are going well. > However I'm having a problem fitting the forward solid window. It's > very thin plexiglass and the only information I've been able to find > simply says the front plexi window is sewn in with the vinyl trim. > Does a person drill small holes through the plexiglass to pull the > thread through? Is the thread then looped around the forward vertical > frame to pull it tight? The forward vertical frame piece is also very > thin and I'm wondering how to glue vinyl to that as well as attach the > plexiglass. > > > Just wondering is anyone has re-built they're side screens themselves > and how they handled this. > > thanks > > gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 15:36:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C2F424D5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:36:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE1940409 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.106.254]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qmVp1k0065VM9eE01mVqC8; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:29:56 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , References: <310ce.5143fee2.3e2f08b8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:29:51 -0500 Thread-Index: AQEz5i/dEM4XvO+5bD9cUukLDNbuqpmIf+6w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Following a road to see where it goes is known as a "stooge". We have used the term in our family for years and with time have accepted certain conditions: a stooge does not allow maps nor GPS devices, it is best done in a TR, and when someone drives past you and says, "she's a beauty", you need to reply "I know, and we 've been married for 20 years!" Guaranteed to secure another 20 ! Oh, and by the way, it appears the word "stooge" originated in WW2 with the RAF, where a stooge was where a plane took off with no particular destination in mind, other than to go looking for trouble. In my father's case, it was patrolling the English channel looking for German boats. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Loumetelko@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:10 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] thots on side curtains While working with my side curtains I've been impressed by how sloppy the worn ones fit as well as how hard it is to get a good tight fit on re-built ones. No matter if we are talking about drafty side curtains or leaking bodily fluids or cold natured starting or total lack of safety features just remember that in the 50s these cars were state of the art and therein lies the charm! During my wife's first ride in my freshly restored 54 TR2 we were inadvertently caught in a downpour and she started screaming "turn on the wipers". Those of you familiar with the one speed versions know the value of Rain-X over the wipers! She was stunned when I handed her a towel to wipe the inside of the windscreen! We both emerged with wet lower pant legs. Now some 35,000 miles later (she has been along for about 30 of those) we follow a road just to see where it ends. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 15:37:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9252D42537 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:37:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4112640E2A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20962 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2013 22:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.106.254) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.239) with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2013 22:33:37 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <50FDB697.6070506@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:33:38 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFY4VYupgxxn0nMRXky3LxYkb6eFJk+i93Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used spring clips but the rattling drove me crazy. Epoxy did the job for me. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Hello List: Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). I have used the pegs on the backside of the badge and the "spring clips", but never really satisfied with the fit. Also worried about how easy it would be to simply lift the badge off the body. Anyone use anything else? Almost tempted to use epoxy and worry about the consequences later. Thanks for any insights. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 15:52:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671334253F for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:52:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DDC40416 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 22:47:39 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.135] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 22:47:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 22:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 30001 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 22:47:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358808458; bh=jPRc9SmHAW4xV1tyENKkWJ9IL+Wu4JZpYXBCrqUVEDI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2AsuYEXDxFaEbg0QTNh5hx2uqZjGglj/HtFg8uluzJJ0vabcP2w3GCMiuVqCeQXn6Yc+2aSKeiX5VHcxUyfFcJDMr6dPeBE1X+jJf7K1WlfGf5g8yHDxUK+530WfqoxHeIbQVeAUfjrUAdlc1lWY6Sij784iJ3fa1KYIlI30RuA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CEXlcaCI5E0LRmRLmWqBBdEmXFIqceTf+w7YuqRwxz26Yb8OhtFhfpJL17/YwzhxfsHfa0XuASLCDApxDNcR89KhTHsDeaXLkbKFHYWkaJEc+cUshDB2i48sylOTk3QmxtMCCl1jt//cRX9l49zOzcUuX4tMNrIoltw1MHsHF7Y=; e6Enitxm30oPWBpHIIQEo0ldO1vyP69lUlWwAI535e7ZI8gjegiBqMCgLfh2 dpU.KB4U0kLXoCZQOl9I3kPvTPKTA.Hwel0_MBiwY2Ge.iz0bi5LTt94hhyp 1kLhbC534GBq5kYoB03mzS49D0TeQv3GScWFQnzbWu8KSd5f7WRSEsJhuKCn jZlCP6k4rrPipKVyRagrxQmjeb0tXBy52VRXfNgNjKn8b532ky4K5PXD5KQ6 rk.Fll3dj7h6Rpn36leJZpLFW91gIz8IgD1m6nPloBFPeoK2zKDUHpudS2uc JWBxzcBoADZVeD7F5YnJLFvyMPwYq.an6.wNdwAUqCQNTlkCbVDr6NjWMj4Y i5YkEtovo6YLzLNPB4PQ1IkrbQeNpXAzsx5ywaLfYMmFYDJx6I6m24..TPCl kjbEuONkbAXhnZ5rHqFixogF_N1ll8BFwJJuhJqOBKozSzix_Ic1sd3a6z9N 6 Received: from [90.199.100.8] by web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:47:38 GMT QXMgdGhlIGJhZGdlIGlzIHRoZSBzYW1lIHNoYXBlIGFzIHRoZSBTdGFuZGFyZC1Ucml1bXBoICdzaGVsbCcgdGhhdCBhcHBlYXJlZCBvbiBUcml1bXBoIFRlbnMsIEkndmUgdXNlZCBhIGNyYWZ0IGtuaWZlICsgbmFpbCBzY2lzc29ycyB0byBjdXQgYSBwaWVjZSBvZiBmbGF0IHJ1YmJlciBhYm91dCAxLzE2dGgiIHRoaWNrIHRvIHRoZSBvdXRsaW5lIG9mIHRoZSBiYWRnZS4gSSd2ZSB0aGVuIHNhbmR3aWNoZWQgaXQgYmV0d2VlbiBwYW5lbCBhbmQgdGhlIGJhY2sgb2YgdGhlIGJhZGdlLiBJZiB5b3UgdGhlbiABMAEBAQE- References: <50FDB697.6070506@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:47:38 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Angelo Graham , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As the badge is the same shape as the Standard-Triumph 'shell' that appeared on Triumph Tens, I've used a craft knife + nail scissors to cut a piece of flat rubber about 1/16th" thick to the outline of the badge. I've then sandwiched it between panel and the back of the badge. If you then press on the spring clips, the rubber removes sloppiness and the badge snugs down sufficiently tightly to prevent water getting under the rubber. Didn't rattle, didn't get stolen. Worked for me Jonmac >________________________________ > From: Angelo Graham >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013, 21:43 >Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening > >Hello List: >Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). I have used the pegs on the backside of the badge and the "spring clips", but never really satisfied with the fit. Also worried about how easy it would be to simply lift the badge off the body. >Anyone use anything else? Almost tempted to use epoxy and worry about the consequences later. >Thanks for any insights. >Angelo Graham > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 16:08:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFA8424DC for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:08:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E814040B for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.166] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 23:04:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64897 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 23:04:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358809444; bh=oSF/u7bfPF8tO92m2Uq9fnk3DUu3BfQvt4YVm1MP0Uk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m5EtkDW38FDlm5bVjQDvHiS1A1Sugt1Mx+35awYmVRpRPOj1hrmmgemGtTfq3sTOKOEnz/pte7ErtkipUmQg0IYYJ/ZAjUjVk1/tOAUbh0O/6yGHI4DfObgOp06Krx+dtQ0+Fox99vTymJukwH1NRaXQfNuEu/Tc0/nr/AdlMgc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tM6AlI3zTz0KKPqrJBNVRzi6Tcoae3HtY7XzH1zJh0xkXF6TdbxVi3xaE0neLxSwxSPdolXrnlR+vZFZdygXrEj/G1OQnbdYxJxIw0O/S5WcsON6cepK31uJlCEmGkzouvdeiN6NRn1t36a0/Py3vCxeS7I1zOdxhGhFc12gcaw=; 1ga0WxtijGgdEPGhzXn8c9LHaqUikFuubY1VW6yeU18Nym67QlHuLKBvBnkt QqMT7oCi9lte79ZMs_NKSpMNMbNEvuYNHjas4WfDydiDMuK_ztgI1GnROSMh 77EhtxyFwweAJtfqczNMbjAorv65XNmsXsH7zEOae383CZPIPMVnn7txx8LU jAWDcKpe2cfSwXeCRnnYGno4Srp0lfFL0xSEuQfs.7fPis4Rlxdhqqe_WO5h Ix2MoGbqlcGxQ3gUnubLjRxvec7ziizo55lgLIqPDRdNdd2a28raDSGG30qA g5ecI15y9AdoTRMveUXTsV6s9w1eiLsTHirVaEQQnH4YvRJC0iUGQlu_ryNm RYBOxVOeNh.s.ihHYjmJYFoc6L..fXMIQAjVW6N7GLAXwSsoVKfX0B5CtcDF 2amUNea2c5FTP8s_mU3XZ3qis_9CNgb9r Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:04:04 PST QUFoaGhoIEkgbG92ZWQgcmVhZGluZyBhYm91dCBleHBlcmllbmNlcyB3aXRoIHRyaXVtcGggd2ludGVyIGRyaXZpbmcuwqAgSXNuJ3QgaXQgc29tZXRoaW5nIGhvdyBleHBlcmllbmNlcyBvZiBkaXNjb21mb3J0IG9yIHByb2JsZW0gc2l0dWF0aW9ucyBlbmQgdXAgYmVpbmcgdGhvc2UgdGhhdCB3ZSByZW1lbWJlciBhbmQgdGFsayBhYm91dCBmb3IgeWVhcnMhwqAgV2UgbmV2ZXIgdGVsbCBzdG9yaWVzIGFib3V0IHRyaXBzIGluIGNvbWZvcnRhYmxlIGRyeSBjYXJzIHdpdGggZ29vZCBoZWF0IGFuZCB3aXBlcnMBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] winter driving/side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net AAhhhh I loved reading about experiences with triumph winter driving. Isn't it something how experiences of discomfort or problem situations end up being those that we remember and talk about for years! We never tell stories about trips in comfortable dry cars with good heat and wipers.lol thanks for the memories. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 16:22:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903534253F for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:22:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A197D40449 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fo12so1284236lab.28 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:17:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Jm17H9UEQf8w5N7AED9e/CQdiYeJpqKkyHGymswD5Us=; b=aus1sqj3dFkVynilQ+O+O+U3DyM0jHJbX3oru0Ubd4axZpzV79Uq2ls++Pg5WB8phf B0HsDg81fI44T07FCwxehFHWtXwPsMEXPpUsm/SPrU8ZFpLMTAGhrlmLDyzOiaYBc97N yYZ95cwy9epLtiHXJkRDob8hc7FeTT0YssyQX/eFumiN8TiEoWfvRj5xzkn2mmHzeCC9 t26219GO2JIwQ4lO+EbbtenuHjQAq4jOVi0ZUUOjZ6NQvfPRwjrXp0RCGEzRbGzctzEu E0+wKACYUy+iENhi9/0V8fGXr+j7ynQYSr/mdUxqoADp8a+9IcHP7h65BvT2PY+EVfuF yLpA== th4mr3983774lab.19.1358810247201; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:17:27 -0800 (PST) References: <50FDB697.6070506@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:17:27 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Angelo Graham Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I secured mine using short pieces of rubber tubing - the sort with a tiny I.D. and a thick wall, may be called vacuum hose. Most of the letters can be held with one length of tubing (about an inch long) bent into a U and fit over both pegs. Some letters/locations worked better with a pair of 1/4" lengths over the pegs. The advantage of this method is that the letters can be quicly removed for polishing and waxing the area. The front badges are affixed in the usual manner (would be hard to get to to undo and anyway are easier to wax around). Have never had one come loose yet. Geo On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& > letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 16:37:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BB040E43 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:37:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00934043A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:34:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 23:30:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.205] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 23:30:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 23:30:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358811029; bh=kLh6EOQF8HroeL3B9sferbvSZ0udiDskIjQcGkaYN7Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=Ugj61iSxuLDYS9lPe67iiGsfaG1HALU/Flghoi3jxTD4HArIV8ADain0bzwvbHNrQG1z+RBqYuEtSYz+tclY0wzJgbKRDvnuNhyIxFQ64NUVX0mC5U3kA2NDFxbrqz6GpvhZebgYXowrf2K3HsCMrZ0mZb6D1mc9rOJkLmviNxE= APpEluIKn9tDV5iFvFHnGB50nsYMNXMLz8DoNoCwrwojKtTYCoB_Fvp.ARtT e_gp5ojbqyCh7FdGF02POVP88MadyrAt9c2cyNC5aNMl8r7TI9nj6oJ0jTFM jrskDuHL_wLEtUEo8ZGHuadv4F0p5Htu0Ozcaz4VDppWwyFYBatXUr3dzmTo 57Mo.nz9RDdZZvThRKR43JZKb2_wJPt1x2PYiXH4LoHbdFPEx3tAR8m3MHGE 6K7uwf0zi7cNVp5lvTLTUzcJCQjAyE6usML1nE5VleMgUY.neOGeo9QY5VxH 8SL56144Zvt3krVzfKwxbj3y5upYdjuki3oP8BpoDuw.3RaBfFQiW9eew2DS KGJdetvv3hToVlGeqfymmkaxRlTvDn22w9S6RY_uEtfGLFk2nKfz_1DRIZmW zJw0tMLFxTsjfGvZynp3NlMUUu3JpAFVQYZy2Obwdhf2WzoByn7t9W0uBr6Q _aSIIsiN9iyphRcLEp5EwGayz9KgUvExq0F.2acHPoJVxTqk5.ZpPMpUIcDU j3mSLsG4rGkOU2WIdXCT5HI5Oew-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2013 15:30:29 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <50FDB697.6070506@execulink.com> <032601cdf827$5c7a3be0$156eb3a0$@uprichard.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:30:33 -0600 Thread-Index: AQFY4VYupgxxn0nMRXky3LxYkb6eFJk+i93QgAAN3cA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same issue of the movement, worried about the paint, but used a dab of clear silicone on the back of each post. Now they are all secure and would be fairly easy to remove is needed. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:34 PM To: 'Angelo Graham'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening I used spring clips but the rattling drove me crazy. Epoxy did the job for me. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Hello List: Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). I have used the pegs on the backside of the badge and the "spring clips", but never really satisfied with the fit. Also worried about how easy it would be to simply lift the badge off the body. Anyone use anything else? Almost tempted to use epoxy and worry about the consequences later. Thanks for any insights. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 17:10:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0177740403 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:10:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0C040402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:09:50 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XQUFlQn6ltkA:10 a=gFfiAYYfAAAA:20 a=s0AB8S1CAAAA:20 a=c6I0I3z9UizZwF3aqDMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Fohc7TTteKsA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/FF-26261-6D7DDF05; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:05:43 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:05:44 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac34IKOKdTWcj5mKQP68JkJIDn1AkwAD7Xpw Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& > letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). I believe a TR2 should have only the badge, no letters. Late TR3s did sometimes have the Triumph script in the rear, but mine doesn't. > Anyone use anything else? I'm not quite sure where they came from, but I used spring nuts that have a hex formed into them, so they can be tightened with a nut driver. Similar to these http://goo.gl/LCKNb To use what appear to be the factory type flat spring nuts, I think you should support the badge in some fashion and then use a round hollow tool (perhaps a very small socket) to tap the spring nut down and lock it in place. That should provide some spring action to hold the badge securely against the nose. The fingers of the spring nut should dig into the post, so that it won't come apart unless something breaks. To disassemble, cut the spring nut with a Dremel cutoff blade. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 18:25:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AB74254A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:25:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F77E4043A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id eb20so5760685lab.31 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nb5ZE3BLf1tPVbnpsHZm8GkgsiSNiQ7iZUOvb4S5PxY=; b=qjMdnIosdSxgeKAuVKYLBrE/rbWhZnuMVF0QfVxdVPxFKD+ctt1w31wGiJNiMS5m3n YVHUoHT+suTWsnTbWRtZtT4m32crctYtWLakNtuDMBr1HfAM3TR/+vIp1qDa2FX/8qV2 +0kyVcnnVT6tA/QYneTlLzzIsmTt4hDW0OWgrmsLDKunl3LyGfNRwxb2FdKVSkY4h6M9 OUT2wr8WSVH4ehqkzBpLisVfY7pEGm9GijXCJMsWw4TPoNc/B/kONF++KsxL9GpcYmNE 5VzwaDf6bMjzHpRih4CZ/divwQ4aqFIlznvWQzvLw4KrjNlJsjPX5TguttHJyOk3sZ1v lNHQ== z2mr8435062lby.65.1358817532582; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) References: <50FDB697.6070506@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:18:52 -0500 From: Chris Simo To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Badge fastening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My tr2 had the Triumph badge on the back. Though not original for it, I intended to keep it until i realized it was off center by about an inch. I've had people ask me if i dechromed it... On Jan 21, 2013 7:06 PM, "Randall" wrote: > > Wondering what techniques listers have used to fasten the badges (& > > letters) to the front clip and rear deck (TR2). > > I believe a TR2 should have only the badge, no letters. Late TR3s did > sometimes have the Triumph script in the rear, but mine doesn't. > > > Anyone use anything else? > > I'm not quite sure where they came from, but I used spring nuts that have a > hex formed into them, so they can be tightened with a nut driver. Similar > to these > http://goo.gl/LCKNb > > To use what appear to be the factory type flat spring nuts, I think you > should support the badge in some fashion and then use a round hollow tool > (perhaps a very small socket) to tap the spring nut down and lock it in > place. That should provide some spring action to hold the badge securely > against the nose. The fingers of the spring nut should dig into the post, > so that it won't come apart unless something breaks. To disassemble, cut > the spring nut with a Dremel cutoff blade. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 18:38:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0450842478 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:38:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092B54043A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9070538000098 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4C31FE00008A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:31:36 -0500 (EST) References: <139d9.45fd15a.3e2f13b9@cs.com> <1358806817.77335.YahooMailNeo@web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:31:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:31:36 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1358818296; bh=Mev+thzkaX8foe/NG16JRfPVlYo7+3j8eDUBuwXjonI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yZLNaEm2fLll73fcC292Q/Qv6Uv79UIKY9aYVl4zPj4B7VW6Oi90a1gxkwsIAJ6z8 Ic1ao0yFK9x9DvDfEjiw2XME9rJby1p1VhqQz8N+m3RxaIJUR6iJndKMNtXDOYhLEF gBTqe0MBeYTgFnG+LLGAG2rOiRC3jRPE8pxI+Mvo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50fdebf80160 Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And now, the Larch. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher To: Dave1massey ; triumphs Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2013 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders sounding like the wife and looking like a monty python wife.....not the same !!! From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [TR] British Car Suspenders Now you sound like my wife. In a message dated 1/21/2013 3:43:57 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty@hotmail.com writes: > I don't care what Dave says, that's funny right there! :) :) :) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 19:19:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207CD40405 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:19:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 70FB84006E for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:18:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 02:14:40 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.203] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 02:14:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 02:14:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358820880; bh=7DeE22NceKtvMFVMI7s08UmTqd7Rx9SLkt74OROvPsI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=hIf8ymOGNBY1HN5VWqk/+u9TLj+Sbmzrc7WovHzZ3p8NgDkXkSg4F4bXrfcNjO5uOnnYRZRZv1i+Qz+SKMFNYmDWcsMAdBwX4At13ts8NSeedl2IL0mwp+KQ0MXZccwDPfQM+ffUwR1P1b5M1lspWu5WkJRi+WC37HnoBDKJJ30= SF57zCZf3RTcVH7nw_CHo92JamnJNW7i3fJF8d7pqnJFqevYsGBOIi3k2i7R 79.f4jjGhjuyFkt8ewKCHHkfmBMkG2LmTFaWIdbXGu4eAenTLSoRwIFT8rcI 4mmAgoCnzJDntpS8dWJJdRiTF7dkP1iGpoGKPWbpUZ97IhhWLiyRXV.a2xKS NZ.Txoy66YbYWzxtzI.J1vuLCo5yxScrPBYKv4kHKTibw3L2KvJNj2uPkr86 thouz8BsyAuS5EGhgxEjC0m7C7go4JJ5CJPd3ttL4M0x4NAqsd5rg80e88gM ioOCFieOHFgdq61kFO65nuY9A4mr_ZwS.BF8_i4e.wydwhR5YfLQFThUMnpO HMhQWYukPAkqFT2CbcXKU4btv7F0P_C26KpqDk5Upw9k7kiUrhU2Hbad.ke8 hdeR07qtj5cnDwgNu5zmKIofLY6rfkoZoFbSh8KvikqsXA2ahKuU4YsbyBHG vZ74hPeg_yh4yWUPIVzIg1BE1WrVIHH2q551XAjsLvGmpVi9edg-- Received: from [192.168.1.70] (john-marie@99.60.237.211 with xymcookie) by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 02:14:40 +0000 UTC References: <1358809444.70036.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:14:39 -0600 To: Gary Nafziger Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] winter driving/side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not all stories about side curtain TRs happen in winter or rain. Many years ago, I was driving my TR3 to a new assignment at Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson. I stopped overnight in El Paso. It was springtime...windy. The next morning, the inside of the car was covered with sand. Sand every where! And I thought I buttoned it up pretty good. John Sent from my iPad On Jan 21, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > AAhhhh I loved reading about experiences with triumph winter driving. Isn't > it something how experiences of discomfort or problem situations end up being > those that we remember and talk about for years! We never tell stories about > trips in comfortable dry cars with good heat and wipers.lol > thanks for the > memories. > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john-marie@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 21:20:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3944253D for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:20:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55233403F4 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:20:01 -0700 (MST) a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:17 a=9gr_CBU1jdwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4D6xkU5IMV8A:10 a=K-rgKzqNHRVOlPk-bLQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=tszzmrkH5GSUAJX8cbkA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:117 Received: from [72.226.35.89] ([72.226.35.89:51023] helo=PeterPC) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 92/0B-01431-9721EF05; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:15:53 +0000 From: "Peter" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:15:52 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac34Vyq6BI55Tce7QwSnXF1MY86IBw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Winter driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In its first years, my TR4 sat outside all the time, including some -20 degree winter nights. After a couple of unsuccessful attempts at a really cold start, I thought it might be better if the engine could spin faster. So I pulled two of the spark plugs, and it started on two cylinders. It was pretty lumpy, but it ran. I gave it about 30 seconds, then put in the third plug and ran it another 30 seconds. I put in the fourth plug and was good to go, without grinding the battery flat. The last time I had to do that was in 1966. On mounting hood badges, I discovered that the pins on my TR4 badge are the about the same diameter as a 4-40 machine screw, so I ran a 4-40 die down the pins and mounted the badge with two nuts and washers. Rigid, vibration free and removable. Pete Fullamm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 21:45:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CD942552 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:45:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECEA40405 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qs8V1k0011ZMdJ4AAsbAQm; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:35:10 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qsb91k00S2yr1eL8csb9jT; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:35:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:35:09 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Peter s=q20121106; t=1358829310; bh=g+CK/ueSQpIhoMjhtuKrsRLatn+MB+Q/5OE4DsHshds=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YqLAX7pg2gMy3rsmUae+VtukXeT2DBT+t0r8oZkEQX5EC2fGkQ1Ol8PYQnRT5ap+r CWblejS9oRctcuazKuhx1uOuVtEZNCtmW+qgDe5xbve2IItWntyp0vD51B36dUbuIT FGbRQTfzi3P1+2cdXnIF+G7oC0n9MJgjDU/fsDiY0vEXgOtrmNcpDSMoiyhFjQmPLa n9rozoNxWlnxOKFUu1PAqnSOTVEeTge51eY8xhM32Bo7LWBTQzsLRYTjcu4sVdgJuq 8iI86tj1a3Jm2DvPkaToggBYEie3Y2VtF16x1x5z1GSW64ev/KeYMyHgp/w7Yh1E/q 25SAP46BoWRXQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's terrific! That's a really clever solution to the problem. The reason you haven't had to try that again might be related to global warming, or perhaps you got yourself one of those fancy plug-in dip sticks. Hey, I've been wanting to communicate with this group for some time and Mark Bradakis just got me dialed in. Thanks Mark, Dave Hogye Santa Cruz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:15:52 PM Subject: [TR] Winter driving In its first years, my TR4 sat outside all the time, including some -20 degree winter nights. After a couple of unsuccessful attempts at a really cold start, I thought it might be better if the engine could spin faster. So I pulled two of the spark plugs, and it started on two cylinders. It was pretty lumpy, but it ran. I gave it about 30 seconds, then put in the third plug and ran it another 30 seconds. I put in the fourth plug and was good to go, without grinding the battery flat. The last time I had to do that was in 1966. On mounting hood badges, I discovered that the pins on my TR4 badge are the about the same diameter as a 4-40 machine screw, so I ran a 4-40 die down the pins and mounted the badge with two nuts and washers. Rigid, vibration free and removable. Pete Fullamm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 22:32:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05FA40E9C for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:32:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2BC403DB for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:25:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.52]) by hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130122025854872.YNPB20958@hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:58:54 +0000 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=A74o30O4QfwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Vg-HLc46mdQA:10 a=gbPeTy8U3CjhI4I02uYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:63525] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4D/AE-08009-5BFFDF05; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:55:49 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" Cc: References: <1358809444.70036.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3219845E-ABE1-441D-8D1D-330A95EC474A@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:55:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] winter driving/side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Although my early days of driving were in a mid-sixties Sprite with roll up windows, the weather did not probably get in as bad as it did in a TR3, but I remember mornings with a good dusting of snow on the seats. I also remember the marginal batteries and starters, when it got really cold you did have to go out and start it every couple of hours or it might be a lost cause. The more fun aspects were the snow being the great equalizer, I remember one snow night pulling up beside a new red Porsche 911 in my old red Sprite. The light turned green and we both slid around trying to get some traction and accelerate as best we could, he beat me to the next light, but I made it a good race. Later when I was out of college and had a real job I had a TR4A that I still used as a daily driver, amazing what being able to afford a fresh battery, rebuilding the carbs, and having everything else in good order will do, that car would start on one or two tries, even after being out all night in sub-zero (Fahrenheit) temps. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 -------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 17:12:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192A040691 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:12:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9FF403F5 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:07:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r1my1k00A1zF43QADC318A; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:03:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rC2z1k00m4L5TyG8kC30oL; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:03:01 +0000 From: Bud R To: davehogye Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:02:59 -0700 References: <1307766528.169032.1358829309553.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1358899381; bh=QxI4NgGox268M/wjG8hQb1p+Lyy7Qt4B2JOJMCQDaug=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=UYHBUfI2+7zWe6MxmF2/8g71hSbJ+KB3CE0mM7U8DTbYXJldp7FypJGz1JkvcDYAq SFXcTIwDHKvl8qH536CoFhQR5rDxU9UwOo3QM0vhH9QJx/9IqWpY1o4bLFa+EJMDv6 z6XuEnpdrUMHKb9YG0WDwfj2eMYkdgjLHaHMKnlxswTez9TuyboiLNotp9CHAiVJSx iQ5Vo3wPYaPUzoC2BB1Ilx05aiHk3NC/sg4pwTnH5xOiyrEP5xcJwOEb1DlZ4w8Iph vJwFLAwptSs0EBS6n7S4OFxsyvPLSNHDklS9yNNnM3mmMbVTz68im4yuhHNVHTUiz0 9tQLZcKcOHFNQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When my wife and I first started dating here in Colorado we used to take my first TR6 skiing. We'd unzip the back window put the 2 sets of skis in and down into the passenger footwell. Ski boots in the boot and we were off. It was a decent car in the snow surprisingly to me. We skied this way for a couple years. One advantage was you could wear all your ski gear going up the mountain and coming back since the heater was NOT going to make you too hot, especially coming back. Changing clothes was not needed. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:35 PM, davehogye wrote: > That's terrific! That's a really clever solution to the problem. > The reason you haven't had to try that again might be related to > global warming, or perhaps you got yourself one of those fancy plug- > in dip sticks. > Hey, I've been wanting to communicate with this group for some time > and Mark Bradakis just got me dialed in. > Thanks Mark, > Dave Hogye > Santa Cruz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:15:52 PM > Subject: [TR] Winter driving > > In its first years, my TR4 sat outside all the time, including some > -20 > degree winter nights. After a couple of unsuccessful attempts at a > really > cold start, I thought it might be better if the engine could spin > faster. > So I pulled two of the spark plugs, and it started on two cylinders. > It was > pretty lumpy, but it ran. I gave it about 30 seconds, then put in > the third > plug and ran it another 30 seconds. I put in the fourth plug and was > good to > go, without grinding the battery flat. The last time I had to do > that was in > 1966. > > > > On mounting hood badges, I discovered that the pins on my TR4 badge > are the > about the same diameter as a 4-40 machine screw, so I ran a 4-40 die > down > the pins and mounted the badge with two nuts and washers. Rigid, > vibration > free and removable. > > > > Pete Fullamm > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlhogye@comcast.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 18:30:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFC42582 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:30:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6099740526 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:30:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS25 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:26:29 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:26:20 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac35CKTcbGSZIlN/R5GvXmEaL/UG4A== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[AB42F8C0:01CDF908] Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 19:23:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CB242586 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:23:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E410440561 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 02:18:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.196] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 02:18:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 02:18:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358907524; bh=DsUUJXrjKNOpqKtZxo27A7ohdC0dSaw5rl7EiBA0Al4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=LUoFwRgzDBp9OzmVxuwIcmIxUByz1BQ1/zbK9d3ALRu7KIxAbxOerdHeHYrU01VYRQBCLM592TDc6P46U2f1kgyxuaKvRsQDOUQguj4hh/Oabsf7a7gcCk+/Cx1fzGfbp4lNetvTXn7j5aDvWZ1hCXveOHfu2R+PQ26Ei2BejJk= BgDKwPBY4PHuYCkCdSMzCbm1hVrNb6mLfwfWhbwkvJvbhG5jwP6hn4tY4fYd 6RO7iNbOyIotcSXAY8m5vXUtDeYgsKlC5zUWju8M2G6AE.3dhT4EWn0kCJmk KKft5qAqOXH0DFy3EclG1QcTsXM8HAtdDLfpwE2HdhkfEufvzUcee1HyJllM Qqph0BTZPxEU.hWMFPMpTH9mI4UIqZWohzK9JJYvzt0c42G8YNLne7_VkTYD 2BdYc8U8KdJfX3sGzFUwnaubGj0Z5e.5ix9.odEus.r3qYzIyA7qaHIeGT3. U45mlQpe4e876BsOXcpgfFATfF.Bz.UW2saiN4baltAMXXi_PkTSX8Ubu0XR KL2WvYk7GfPTYWTAttnpUo7lNI26eXIAlVATKR0dmm2SUtWMRVfQuqhrKrTz bB52tSIes3njVhZoJfxHhU1fKXzqa_ey74QceQb2.BsczbkLZmkQlFdzTS5x rpR3pX1vNTesVMiM8VA-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 18:18:43 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:18:35 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac35CKTcbGSZIlN/R5GvXmEaL/UG4AABmO4g Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here what the Bentley's manual has: RATIOS Gearbox Overall Top w/OD 0.82 3.03 Fourth 1.00 3.70 Third 1.325 4.90 Second 2.00 7.40 First 3.38 12.50 Reverse 4.28 15.80 I suspect that the 'Overall' number is dictated by the diff ratio, either 3.7 or 4.1 W/OD installed Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:26 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 19:45:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EB842558 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:45:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B4C4056B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rBJ21k0070bG4ec53EdQ1v; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:37:24 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rEdQ1k0052xV5no3PEdQmh; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:37:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Jonas Payne s=q20121106; t=1358908644; bh=JidR5jkei9Su10phHtDsqtEC7O2EwkEOFILn2N6e/BM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=T6hVJfporeWdEUVKYYa+SYE0IXdrxu+CcxXPo31ksqrsZw3BANb0ON1CtBLhdfAFh ZGFhkIuuftSkoqp7PzphM6DGFf0aUKdt9NdwLoz680i4b6+7r9uLp1DN2EiayeW+YP z+XwU1s9T/Agx2ANPFohIaDcun72UNkULQWVp1oA9+TlGdJ6agdKb/kUtQd9pBDrXj yutYxAR8zehtLbK9OwffZlclHamhCgg+AQLajUT7U7ky6ZmdP0TkLwzoRRXEuCklQK 9hIeonEeK6muxvdBWWB3kmfyMg2H2Au/cZoP3YiL7MrTjdgwbonPSMnGWIIxXwcJpa Qj0ylwA15mObQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Rack and Pinion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, B Anyone that contemplates the change to rack and pinion on his TR3 should find one that's been converted and take it for a test drive first. Doing so proved to me that I'd never want it in my car. It steers like a '57 Plymouth Belvedere : no road feel at all. Just my opinion. Yours may vary. B Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Payne" < jagmog @ hotmail .com> To: triumphs@ autox .team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:26:20 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? B The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@ autox .team.net ** Archive: http:// www .team.net/archive Unsubscribe /Manage: http:// autox .team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 20:16:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFBC42595 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:16:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC3F403D9 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:16:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS14 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:12:07 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: References: <467225109.257554.1358908644049.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:12:00 -0800 Thread-Index: AQM8/rDvnicjqhML3iNuuWfizMBM3pV4KofA Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[6CF78FE0:01CDF917] Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Rack and Pinion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wowb&b&b&food for thought MGbs and TR4bs have them and donbt fail to feel too sporty, My XK 150 on the other hand is another animal altogether, but certainly better than the contemporary American Iron. Morgans use the same burman box that TRbs do and there is really no comparison between the two. Frankly, the Morgan feels more precise than the TR on any but the roughest surfaces. Healey uses a wormgear too, but there is no comparison between that and a TR either, Healey goes (went) down the road with great feel and response. The TR is like Mr. Toads Wild Ride. Feels more like a MGTC than competition for an MGA . Would rather push the TR than drive an MG, but admittedly, the steering is crude. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 From: fogbro1@comcast.net [mailto:fogbro1@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:37 PM To: Jonas Payne Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: TR3 Rack and Pinion List, Anyone that contemplates the change to rack and pinion on his TR3 should find one that's been converted and take it for a test drive first. Doing so proved to me that I'd never want it in my car. It steers like a '57 Plymouth Belvedere: no road feel at all. Just my opinion. Yours may vary. Ed Woods _____ From: "Jonas Payne" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:26:20 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 20:47:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3C9425A2 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:47:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F84640645 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:45:49 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=pLCnVdUdc6wA:10 a=JxGwWuu9XD8KaIjukRkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 12/8D-25887-0FB5FF05; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:41:37 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:41:40 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac35CKTcbGSZIlN/R5GvXmEaL/UG4AADgXUA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? >From Practical Hints 4th ed: 1st 3.38 2nd 2.00 2nd OD 1.64 3rd 1.325 3rd OD 1.09 4th 1.00 4th OD 0.82 > Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure > that the performance is close (or improved). My opinion, the stock 1st gear is too low for good performance. I prefer the later 3.14 ratio (which is what I have in my TR3). > Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion > conversion? The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty > handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Bob Schaller sketched a home-brew conversion in "More BS about TRs". Personally, I don't see the point. The stock steering can be made to work quite well and the conversions lose at least part of the function of the control head (which seems like part of the charm of the car, to me). But then, I would never trade my overdrive for a mere 5 speed either! > Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more > comfortable touring car. I drive mine practically every day, put over 200,000 miles on the previous TR3A (before it got wrecked). IMO the best improvements for a touring car would be wider wheels (so you can use modern tires that both grip and ride better) and putting UHMW (or Teflon) between the rear spring leaves. Add an electric fan (for stop and go traffic) and you have a car that you can drive anywhere. One of my plans for after I retire is to drive what remains of Route 66 from LA to Chicago in my Tr3. Then maybe US 60 on the way back. Although it has no trouble at all running at 70-80 mph on the Interstate, I find the ride much more enjoyable at 60 with frequent stops. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 22:35:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E27040E16 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:35:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9EA40541 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 05:31:01 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 05:31:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 05:31:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 4180 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2013 05:31:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358919061; bh=BnPq+K4+b5HXmSIkydb1hqVT6dil4hx9BeHcvl3v15s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dVHHBsNFMrZ9ko+ipCfa6jqY25Ie++oPvwetmyjlUzal4mBffp/BvC1L8bVcI2aUvCAJiYxy3SL4hmO/SlfhzfyV0AlC90dnwreZ+GH/bfaApfNjYUDIDUXyicnWY65Zc0VHwWfuB2LuV+U64+KsAryEyudc+I+GPEMhYxeG9CY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DcZJh0QNwudj9Dy/FN7yJv0v/AfyQLo2XY5wfGcfzwTsLpo1MqxaIfjFDbLFvr/HF0caFLRfp3IC9MEG4rfJu6MN/f20CJHRI5FBKBBVrYM0iOgvRQlhO3yNC/iJscwdkczOkmdaWVmFKUhqnNWsT2CCj7GMTrMKgBcllZnalC4=; WRwAD2W8K98BpffAHPCCnO4kUHAFLfFYbEOI7vHy5.zXA_LZrnwDQKX3905v zpLjezL_N03ArYJZ9zOcbuboCRD4OIDiUuI6jZRhjwDH_6cftusslKgWuyJ2 OZ2wfcFTJbSGAWe46Ik.ddV9jL52wF3Q.oQiPeuGZuiUD2aSLq7WxxvPLsvO 7PYYjAT._4ijTlBKK6ylTZoFX4NgkThgjzeg6CFS5uSX9lOuy2gYlJDkqpYR TlnoUgKjrJtiGlYA541hqreGFXyJ23ZzcGGvudHNVVlQdCwmb0EuLp.PIsGa oMjt9qERR8pNxSdzKb00svg19yDvEyvD68bwsn.reA.9w948A786JEKWlEmb Ws8nzg5WZ692clcG6LzddVzCzETO1eVU2_EPxPRUbJqDxLB6t1KAQ9HIapbU hmsASAU.9jMkVOlksiw99q4ulFdL00c4cvkI.J8f3WIkiJtE1fuNCQNkFAHi V8VYIVi97cnJb2aTi4u3T4.IZrHrUAnl9BX0G1GmIihXoqlZNRZFPS8kLWpg - Received: from [98.112.193.78] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:31:01 PST Sm9uYXMKbWFkZSBteSBvd24gVDUgY29udmVyc2lvbiBhbmQgbmV2ZXIgcmVncmV0dGVkLgp3b3JrcyBncmVhdCwgYmVzdCB1cGdyYWRlIGkgZGlkCkZyYW5rCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRnJvbTogSm9uYXMgUGF5bmUgPGphZ21vZ0Bob3RtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDIyLCAyMDEzIDU6MjYgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBUUjMgR2VhciBSYXRpb3MKCkFueWJvZHkgb3V0IHRoZXJlIGtub3cgd2gBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Jonas Payne , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonas made my own T5 conversion and never regretted. works great, best upgrade i did Frank ________________________________ From: Jonas Payne To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:26 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 04:58:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262DE425AA for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:58:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB4C406AC for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:54:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130123114958.WFND6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:49:58 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id rPpy1k0093enFnk05Ppy4K; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:49:58 -0500 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=pLCnVdUdc6wA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mNYvWpaRQhDSkJGTy0YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:49:57 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJTuvDajb+3+iyB+SWEfGYW249vtpdLR7WA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My brother installed the rack & pinion kit on a TR3A and the difference was unimaginable. With the kit, you could actually steer the car, effort was half of what it was and you could keep it straight on the road without exercising your wrists all the time. Of course, the original steering gear could have been well wiped out and a new sector, worm and bushings could have solved the problems. The only issue that I noticed was that the new tie rod ends seemed to be at an extreme downward angle to meet the steering arms. Also, the regular fan has to be ditched for an electric fan in order to free up sufficient room for the rack. I can't remember who sold the kit but the end result was that the car was much more pleasant to drive. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:26 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 06:45:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D12426BB for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:45:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6837A40645 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.99.81]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id rRcm1k00B1lMjmE01Rcn9r; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:36:48 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , "'Jonas Payne'" References: <467225109.257554.1358908644049.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:36:49 -0500 Thread-Index: AQM8/rDvnicjqhML3iNuuWfizMBM3pV43zzA Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Rack and Pinion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I seem to remember a conversation on this page a couple of years ago: what are the best things you can do to a TR3? As I remember it, they were (a) overdrive, and (b) rack and pinion. I have both - one car with and one without. I'd recommend the conversion. I installed a bolt-on model which was easy to work with. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:37 PM To: Jonas Payne Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Rack and Pinion List, B Anyone that contemplates the change to rack and pinion on his TR3 should find one that's been converted and take it for a test drive first. Doing so proved to me that I'd never want it in my car. It steers like a '57 Plymouth Belvedere : no road feel at all. Just my opinion. Yours may vary. B Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Payne" < jagmog @ hotmail .com> To: triumphs@ autox .team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:26:20 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the performance is close (or improved). Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? B The kits seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what others have done. Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable touring car. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@ autox .team.net ** Archive: http:// www .team.net/archive Unsubscribe /Manage: http:// autox .team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 07:34:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8240E02 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:34:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f170.google.com (mail-gg0-f170.google.com [209.85.161.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0CE4055C for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k4so514125ggn.1 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:29:11 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=lNEH4UxvRVoI4qSBFQtg7yG5Jc38XtdrW06nhlpOlMs=; b=WeQNVtOYZXZMKdOA2JvEL1y0DrCaZSW6OjGlLb+EYaQLI/2gGh7RSb0PtSUIU07LY4 pS0vsBSdkZ5M5QyEC7dYf8ZDb/ZuDrFSUcdLoG/2U9xJPSBkNQztcVggj/jlrwHzbZBQ WhNX6J03MmOWxzlleMZI4drhrZPDf6eOA8mZqeKX4JoCZzpsPyr9eytzr4nh4vkfNk6r d3C7Wq0BjEBag7OTUkn72DK0vAdFqfP4DEL0se5MK9iWD4D5zpKgVVilK6TcYqy3yrag BjIX9RMWk4CzESw/rJcU87CktFzmRSMqDeLY7j1rA2azN+8UpU3zc9tvLHe8+cy5RUCd 5GmQ== y57mr1568844yhi.91.1358951351075; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([184.88.120.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm20111924yhj.6.2013.01.23.06.29.09 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Wise Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:29:08 -0500 References: <1358809444.70036.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <3219845E-ABE1-441D-8D1D-330A95EC474A@sbcglobal.net> To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] winter driving/side curtains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I did my graduate work at Univ of Pittsburgh and at the time I had a 58 MGA. The first year I drove an over an hour each way (we were living with my in-laws to save money) driving up and down the Western Penn hills to to & from the University. I never got stuck (I had been a USAF pilot & used a lot of energy management skills). But I did carry "single loop" plastic chains just in case. I made a few mods to my side curtains to hold them relatively tight to the windscreen at speed. In addition I always wore my USAF Survival parka and heavy gloves during the winter. The "heater" kind of kept my toes from from frostbite inside my USAF jump-boots and heavy socks. The last three years we lived in Pittsburgh and my major challenge was getting up the rather steep hill to our home on snowy nights. The streets were brick and worn rather smooth from decades of use. Energy management was tough because I have to a 90 degree turn on the steep hill - so I employed the single loop chains many nights and continued to wear my survival parka. :-) Ah, those are the days. :-) John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 12:44:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D293340C00 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:44:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089BE403C7 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 19:39:44 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.104] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 19:39:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 19:39:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 28750 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2013 19:39:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358969984; bh=tI9/dDxVqx0vBAkJSScApftUx9UUMOnZdM4/SiE5FJI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FfRTlcmRFU8T/e5lh/GGT3G1locai5VvU4BDxBpPevLEIIKd3FKWHt6o1yvT6cW+OTp39P8ejPGT0EhdpapMnl478DJ7+f7IALmScahC68MoBINDmo6Fk/KSmMuSrIebgGDjVeU4lUL/i4y6faROUkNroGTR53xAfoz8x010lzs= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GQHpXBUAo+HfGhncppom/gerhNk1pi8As4mH/tSPvX1G6Swjem1s6XXYti0oqd2O+se6kdUAklktQsHhOwADoa8rtkpjckMae6rOydBCrDaRki6/TTRyK/S4kCMIXuRu8o6ubYckNuqyuSdZSRbUHfc5kOJFQKp3I4YgTaVTqJ0=; BXhYMdJeVgAFL0AUXNwKRABUIkmnlbARVVkzPAL50WgZY6CFpx0gRQm1Rnbh yB3zXBNAbbu3tImcD58VfnxzWz9tMo0W._T.6jCl6D4lwEUPLETft5VjGq02 ig7syHuRqTjvMQ1pJVrEeGZkmwyrOYhoNbTFbT7hjXD2SUvA6cLs8sVmrgou S1IyNBeFqLRe6fJhdtqfiex.LsBFpZfvw7Jpy7xYlgB1gnD9kKXKbFl6doTI vrslTpK9Ii_EUb_IVronhUF3X5GGtSvjnJycAsTOhHxiBoY.fMlaMrW9FJj_ QyMN7xMN80PNl31lvhHisKR_8vwJqlqDZzt_ExUoZQB1jxFUpup5TZiUX083 bXoNK7ZzSc6oVxK8CIvuHt7XTZpjdM64iGZ.U2S_swhYLQBvf3CKU6WKT8I6 S8vixnzsnzNA4UO.4P.GgA_hN5H6MPc7WncmVSgleXvRPQP_84h5unrwNGLI wYissZPpQmeD_KmdyAJ0ub7inSEnuwGV0FQFbnrmnfA05E6reKuQr3T0XZWw B21Ue9nlmn8zwvTayyVw8qrAx0MbDNwvP1XKXKVeTy0tRvkKDrN..s.PuI2T xuoki Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:39:44 PST U28gRnJhbmssCsKgwqDCoMKgIEhvdyBkb2VzIHNvbWVvbmUgd2hvIGlzbid0IEhWREEgbWFrZSBoaXMgb3duIFQ1IGNvbnZlcnNpb24_IFNvdW5kcyBwcmV0dHkgZGF1bnRpbmcgdG8gbWUuIENhbiB5b3UgZmlsbCB1cyBpbj8KwqDCoMKgwqAgQWJvdXQgMTAgeWVhcnMgYWdvIEkgd3JvdGUgdXAgaG93IHRvIHdlbGQgaW4gVFIzIGZsb29ycyB3aXRoIHRoZSBib2R5IG9uIGZyYW1lLiBJdCBzdGlsbCBleGlzdHMgaW4gY3liZXJzcGFjZS4gTWF5YmUgeW91IGNhbiBkbyB0aGUgc2FtZSB3aXRoIHlvdSBUNSBjb24BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So Frank, How does someone who isn't HVDA make his own T5 conversion? Sounds pretty daunting to me. Can you fill us in? About 10 years ago I wrote up how to weld in TR3 floors with the body on frame. It still exists in cyberspace. Maybe you can do the same with you T5 conversion. Here is a link to my floor replacement write-up. http://obswww.unige.ch/~wildif/cars/docs/TR3_Floor_replacement.pdf My TR6 OD trans in my TR3 rattles when accelerating or going up hills. I think that when I change it out I'll go to a 5-speed. -Bill in Tehachapi From: Frank Fisher To: Jonas Payne , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Message-ID: <1358919061.97444.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jonas made my own T5 conversion and never regretted. works great, best upgrade i did Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 14:11:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446CA40E31 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:11:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9CA40557 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.199] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 21:06:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 20032 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2013 21:06:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358975167; bh=K1XYXPnCFJZr02UTIpMMdScWUuqHi2SeIs1M0HJU75A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=olteOUzEkqaipcOouUiIGP56H1XAagx54ifncG6hAb6Zq5AkiLePi5Z7YqIuWQSZiPHbMdpf8fH2tBDZm8IHEhUyls0W9AZEfBqZg6TeaDq7lKytyv4mNulf3fEF3pPEl86VwQRicLPY2MjTUFTRIAWbEsVhejotraGLm0TNkv4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FImY86nNmB0EmJMisHyHD+8xpCifJjQZQ3exAKcyfAHFlWRLMjl09DHi+3rm50+/XGruqsKbYKAQE8XwT5LptPqqZGnuwq69/hIWDZBLGnS2qsDiQKNxOootJlwHqExQXCxnsN3+LnHrBfEO7rZX0RXXOMnxcykEG0yw7v4FaJU=; 5wD2U2Vum2rCDkVlrbjps5DQOIW3Z4Tpb.L2c2IgUigspHU4OQqtMvYk_9oX AXLx1cUgoLbGAf6SK7JqDZ9mhJTDlQOZ7_gz54OFgeS8_60dCmgoWr8A4vZ. pWXkuFLkTN.mjvmHLa7JM9xvrnohKsZTyCbkRVnBtgp5Cj6A0uL3L0LMdMd4 B3UDMFZmtBUDNaDxC1Xu_KhAzFZLtRjfALuf69EGUjE10l4uxv2EBYsKQgXa nWikqvbZwPwoa7Tqr8qNWgblNvkAGngEJ6QlRbEYzeMxsl4iUfitJEeX5QUF drbaTU024tqeRUXh4NiogjD9HgOZgxN9Lwq2gzaFHEobk2yBMJbWunzqIT3Q P__sOW_2_J6P37EcTqKpbesWNsrNzuqm7CtCG6lMJnnX6vsbEkqrMxoWcOCZ .1VEDVsWrg9K0fIFPxbdCOjUwq.ghjyO4h9FuqWaNJrmWx.9qoNWU_mqUiBI Zrp0HvNl2OhbiSVLboO7szqTWSvkVTqg0bHP3xa_pFxMnT2KL5YwO39RYZDM 94MHZQG_EL3bl Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:06:07 PST SGV5IEJpbGxGb3IgdGhlIGxhc3QgMTUgeWVhcnMgSSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gcnVubmluZyBhIG1hbnVmYWN0dXJpbmcgZmFjaWxpdHkgdGhhdCBJIGhhZCBlcXVpcHBlZCB3aXRoIENOQyBtYWNoaW5pbmcgY2VudGVycy4KQmVpbmcgYW4gZW5naW5lZXIgSeKAmW0gYWx3YXlzIHVwIGZvciBhIGNoYWxsZW5nZS4KwqAKVGhlIGJpZ2dlc3QgY2hhbGxlbmdlIHdhcyB0aGUgYmVsbCBob3VzaW5nLgrCoApNeSBmaXJzdCB0aG91Z2h0IHdpdGggdGhlIFRveW90YSB0cmFucyB3YXMgdG8gdGFrZSBhIGJpZyBibG9jayBvZiABMAEBAQE- References: <1358969984.12099.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey BillFor the last 15 years I have been running a manufacturing facility that I had equipped with CNC machining centers. Being an engineer Ibm always up for a challenge. B The biggest challenge was the bell housing. B My first thought with the Toyota trans was to take a big block of aluminum and machine the heck out of it till I had a nice bell housing. Thatbs what I really wanted to do. But I had some trouble finding a block of aluminum that size and at a reasonable cost. B Next I contemplated cutting and welding the triumph to a Toyota and then making a casting. I was going to get help from a little specialty company here in los angeles called something like Barrios. That too was getting expensive. B Then my brother in law in Australia found a guy who makes conversions for all kinds of cars and transmissions. So I reluctantly sucked it up and bought one. Well 2. One for me and one for my BBF. It wasnbt how I wanted to do it, but $$ rule. B I did machine: custom pilot bushing custom bracket to take the triumph standard slave cylinder. Custom slave cylinder push bar. little machining on the bell housing to use the standard Toyota thrust bearing fork. Machine flywheel to accept Toyota pressure plate and clutch plate. Modify the prop shaft so its triumph one end and Toyota the other. B And hence I had kinda made my own kit. B Ibm willing to help friends who want to try their hand at it; I still have the cad drawings of the parts. Photographs also. This list I consider friends for all the help I get here. B But I donbt want to post on the web as an alternate to Hermanbs kit. Herman is a fellow club member and does this as a source of income. So I do not want to cut him out of his investment. Hebs a fine fellow too. B I like the 5 speed. Itbs easy to shift into and rarely has problems. You can hardly tell itbs not standard as I used the TR3 slave cylinder. And if the 5 speed dies they are replaceable at about 250.00 a time. B your not a million miles from me and one of these days we need to find a 1/2 point and share some refreshment, and show off my trans. B Frank From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Cc: "yellowtr3@yahoo.com" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Your own T5 Conversion So Frank, B B B B How does someone who isn't HVDA make his own T5 conversion? Sounds pretty daunting to me. Can you fill us in? B B B B About 10 years ago I wrote up how to weld in TR3 floors with the body on frame. It still exists in cyberspace. Maybe you can do the same with you T5 conversion. B B B B Here is a link to my floor replacement write-up. B B B http://obswww.unige.ch/~wildif/cars/docs/TR3_Floor_replacement.pdf B B B B My TR6 OD trans in my TR3 rattles when accelerating or going up hills. I think that when I change it out I'll go to a 5-speed. B B B B -Bill in Tehachapi From: Frank Fisher To: Jonas Payne , "triumphs@autox.team.net" B B B Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Message-ID: B B B <1358919061.97444.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jonas made my own T5 conversion and never regretted. works great, best upgrade i did Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 14:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75834257F for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:58:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com (mail-pb0-f49.google.com [209.85.160.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92A1403E6 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id un15so4903806pbc.22 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:54:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WJaa5HZga595cYcyX1ep024XcRrdrmQFID0go8SU6Fs=; b=WoZnJ3JjiVvaWUN+JQYFIKL09HdxFlsJj0Li72ONWYvfWJmbAyojAMm5rJbRu5UXAv XXRgWndbBSxMG5EPPcRToUpTTMpMAVR8MNw4B2+0AK+AP4OJ/cJ39qQc3fCCpBtS2AZC +7C4zCEIPd3UOOJLMNYCJivhMA3FUi8tYgu1ywRlmhQ4BDigN5IoAo91Nk9sbHB+gQWT UCDK5Q0h4XaxsKg+2BLRF/zNeOunnzEudrpUjOI9oMzgumQBbxLWYyDvBMmiaB1cEmO9 Mow41HtlhiY2IhnjqonQcJLVZvsTcz80X9QfYHqdK79xOZw/0TfSINTHB8rKCyyOMyBW DAmg== qt5mr6842183pbb.122.1358978057786; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.147.37 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:54:17 -0800 (PST) References: <1358969984.12099.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1358975167.98428.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:54:17 -0800 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Frank Fisher Cc: Triumphs , William Brewer Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a guy who sells a T5 to Triumph ki hee in the US: http://www.dupontmachining.com/ I considered doing but could not get the ratios I wanted for racing. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > Hey BillFor the last 15 years I have been running a manufacturing facility > that I had equipped with CNC machining centers. > Being an engineer Ib m always > up for a challenge. > B > The biggest challenge was the bell housing. > B > My first > thought with the Toyota trans was to take a big block of aluminum and > machine > the heck out of it till I had a nice bell housing. > Thatb s what I really > wanted to do. > But I had some trouble finding a block of aluminum that size and > at a reasonable cost. > B > Next I contemplated cutting and welding the triumph > to a Toyota and then making a casting. I was going to get help from a > little > specialty company here in los angeles called something like Barrios. > That too > was getting expensive. > B > Then my brother in law in Australia found a guy who > makes conversions for all kinds of cars and transmissions. So I reluctantly > sucked it up and bought one. Well 2. One for me and one for my BBF. > It > wasnb t how I wanted to do it, but $$ rule. > B > I did machine: > custom pilot > bushing > custom bracket to take the triumph standard slave cylinder. > Custom > slave cylinder push bar. > little machining on the bell housing to use the > standard Toyota thrust bearing fork. > Machine flywheel to accept Toyota > pressure plate and clutch plate. > Modify the prop shaft so its triumph one end > and Toyota the other. > B > And hence I had kinda made my own kit. > B > Ib m > willing to help friends who want to try their hand at it; I still have the > cad > drawings of the parts. > Photographs also. > This list I consider friends for all > the help I get here. > B > But I donb t want to post on the web as an alternate > to Hermanb s kit. Herman is a fellow club member and does this as a source > of > income. So I do not want to cut him out of his investment. Heb s a fine > fellow too. > B > I like the 5 speed. Itb s easy to shift into and rarely has > problems. You can hardly tell itb s not standard as I used the TR3 slave > cylinder. > And if the 5 speed dies they are replaceable at about 250.00 a time. > B > your not a million miles from me and one of these days we need to find a > 1/2 point and share some refreshment, and show off my trans. > B > Frank > > From: > William Brewer > To: Triumphs > Cc: "yellowtr3@yahoo.com" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, > 2013 11:39 AM > Subject: Your own T5 Conversion > > > So Frank, > B B B B How does > someone who isn't HVDA make his own T5 conversion? Sounds pretty daunting > to > me. Can you fill us in? > B B B B About 10 years ago I wrote up how to weld in > TR3 floors with the body on frame. It still exists in cyberspace. Maybe you > can do the same with you T5 conversion. > B B B B Here is a link to my floor > replacement write-up. > > > B B B > http://obswww.unige.ch/~wildif/cars/docs/TR3_Floor_replacement.pdf > > B B B B > My TR6 OD trans in my TR3 rattles when accelerating or going up hills. I > think > that when I change it out I'll go to a 5-speed. > > B B B B -Bill in Tehachapi > From: Frank Fisher > To: Jonas Payne , > "triumphs@autox.team.net" > B B B > Subject: Re: [TR] > TR3 Gear Ratios > Message-ID: > B B B > <1358919061.97444.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jonas > made my own T5 conversion and never > regretted. > works great, best upgrade > i did > Frank > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triosan@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 15:34:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A303403D3 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:34:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F60B4053B for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:34:16 -0700 (MST) s=MDaemon; t=1358980199; x=1359584999; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=v9vBX9GlDCkkgINQmqHJHUyrdchZNhcYi7G6TWpfWn4=; b=ReB tqfvDgRQRvKv7jPnwPcBiUhYQrfEI6G1BtPXLN25dj27r7WCFuYEDmK7G5ShLiAd sqGZI4/TBPuUR2Yrpd0Uo2fKMrEha4AykKdjU5sHOQTRUtCTGxZBlka+fWWSa10C QiWacdI38+Lx9pcOLogjwXz8oOyY7o1KXn4aOil0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=aEjj2wSJBT/m5Mulg4skT7FVuP37KsCbz4yEzGDbeuk9p6Ug0qhvDHLIRDxL haId602IqIhNsChozhQNmJ9+PGEIPsP2pPThQlxWXjT4VMoFkow9TEE9y Zzp4pjLWP9R2jw/ov9QFu4XLKpYtgD1qxKIyNyjG9ptr9xpopO/mDs=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.8) with ESMTP id 22-md50000126288.msg for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:29:58 -0500 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:17:00 -0500 From: Mark Hooper To: 'Frank Fisher' , 'William Brewer' , 'Triumphs' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Frank: We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. The original printers were using a flow of sintered metals, but I think they are mostly plastics now and not suitable. It will be interesting to see what comes up in the next years. I read of a guy planning to print sections of a large house. That said, I think the existing 3D printers could easily produce the shape for making a casting mould. Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: January-23-13 4:06 PM To: William Brewer; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Hey BillFor the last 15 years I have been running a manufacturing facility that I had equipped with CNC machining centers. Being an engineer Ibm always up for a challenge. B The biggest challenge was the bell housing. B My first thought with the Toyota trans was to take a big block of aluminum and machine the heck out of it till I had a nice bell housing. Thatbs what I really wanted to do. But I had some trouble finding a block of aluminum that size and at a reasonable cost. B Next I contemplated cutting and welding the triumph to a Toyota and then making a casting. I was going to get help from a little specialty company here in los angeles called something like Barrios. That too was getting expensive. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 16:02:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE458406B4 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:02:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3C5403D9 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 22:57:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 22:57:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2013 22:57:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 42602 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2013 22:57:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358981878; bh=jBzwwBEYafYWSfCFp+xBnWRsTVqX7DLBWdwevVtfGvY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5ZNfdSl7VukaNQth68ZaC5xl9jR61FVeXBnkMFCFDli9XFEYrRm10hUFnK4kBl+3H6IClSTz8AwLKhbd0OSBQw9+fD56kqwf2I6+BJ5BSZfqMMKGSlWIqMQA29jkp/FJU91oyZIynldEb38UVjI7N+87+l35JkzjDgK1J/bJDss= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Tp7kIkJoG3tKLa/k2P+3evJzTO8Sa1dHBL6igARpwXcPhF5DN8nKgJq63PiCfA9uC30pu5muxitH1av9Cg87M4XD0euswyhJX9cOG5p8ajwEiPoMpDTewq1t7sex1nVXCNyEjvCbDv6VHnvDmPZMIxlPG538jxUoVTdmbezYNLU=; 7sOBS5P6Ja8fKVMeNaOErOET2nwqeNIP9.AKFUxSPLYsfzXCEXx9.D9qu5za A6U7ryLGOHtBwWeMzv_YuIh_9d6CKovYYvhB05XKZacKNWZwpmtB7lmWryTA v7fj2KuBj4b8OHLrwZysDg7zjhezta1iadMbejabUfF_3xDv3OKdy9rk_7oF _gM4tDXqIZCiMOoXZmGQaSq6pPTyYqlBOscqUawv4nrnJ4oxdjfx.gsWB02u cUL0eaFe0aDyFygg7zPdbuxK3tCyoCgYZVxqH9f_50sZuyoIzR1k0p_TdQs6 1jq3PWBHnF6Ud572zRnHgsXdHGxB09OVcj38j2tY21.cORFD9FfipUsqvsnc JJM.J_yqfv.emG6aaUszeXWcRJshAefZAsHw_gBDc6GNoVxJoQQNFSXqds4B qmR4_h4qY9.wo_jRM3w-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:57:58 PST d293CmkgaGF2ZSBzZWVuIHRoZSBvbGQgM2QgbW9kZWxlcnMgd2hlcmUgdGhleSBidWlsdCB0aGUgbW9kZWwgaW4gbGF5ZXJzIG9mIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBlcG94eSB0aGF0IGN1cmVkIHdoZW4gZXhwb3NlZCB0byBsYXNlciBsaWdodC4KdGhleSB3aGVyZSBwcmV0dHkgY3J1ZGUgYW5kIHZlcnkgZnJhZ2lsZS4Kb25seSBzZWVuIHZpZGVvIG9mIHRoZSBsYXRlc3Qgc3R1ZmYuCmRvIHlvdSBoYXZlIGFjY2VzcyB0byBvbmU_CmkgbWF5IHN0aWxsIGhhdmUgdGhlIGxheW91dCBmb3IgbXkgb3JpZ2luYWwgbW9kZWwBMAEBAQE- References: <1358975167.98428.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <66709180.1cdf9b7.ba72568c.a99@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "mhooper@indiefilmnet.com" , 'William Brewer' , 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net wow i have seen the old 3d modelers where they built the model in layers of some kind of epoxy that cured when exposed to laser light. they where pretty crude and very fragile. only seen video of the latest stuff. do you have access to one? i may still have the layout for my original model that i was going to machine out of the "lump" like any technology though im sure its big $$. my Aussie bell housing was just less than 500.00 3 or 4 years ago. Frank From: Mark Hooper To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Hi Frank: We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. The original printers were using a flow of sintered metals, but I think they are mostly plastics now and not suitable. It will be interesting to see what comes up in the next years. I read of a guy planning to print sections of a large house. That said, I think the existing 3D printers could easily produce the shape for making a casting mould. Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher Sent: January-23-13 4:06 PM To: William Brewer; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Hey BillFor the last 15 years I have been running a manufacturing facility that I had equipped with CNC machining centers. Being an engineer Ibm always up for a challenge. B The biggest challenge was the bell housing. B My first thought with the Toyota trans was to take a big block of aluminum and machine the heck out of it till I had a nice bell housing. Thatbs what I really wanted to do. But I had some trouble finding a block of aluminum that size and at a reasonable cost. B Next I contemplated cutting and welding the triumph to a Toyota and then making a casting. I was going to get help from a little specialty company here in los angeles called something like Barrios. That too was getting expensive. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 17:55:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514A540C00 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:55:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29154053D for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:54:50 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=CbgTo7s1WxEA:10 a=3favBQXtAAAA:8 a=KnR_oujzIlRteUr7IPMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=cpMRa-8KuC4A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:50582] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id BD/41-01431-95580015; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:50:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:50:33 -0500 From: Randall To: 'Triumphs' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. We're already there. I read an article just the other day about a printer that could easily handle a bellhousing in several kinds of metal: http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=256731&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_auto,bid_27,aid_256731&dfpLayout=blog "Potential materials include high-grade steel alloys, tool steels, aluminum or titanium alloys, nickel-based superalloys, and cobalt-chromium alloys." All it takes is money at the moment. But I expect the prices to continue dropping dramatically as the printers gain acceptance. Some home units are already below $1500 (though they don't handle metal or anything as big as a bellhousing). And the 'toner' is still expensive too, from what I hear. Of course, I'm still not crazy about trying to convert a TR3 into a MR2; I'd rather be making repair parts for A-types --- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 18:01:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0F7406AF for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:01:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ECA4053D for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:00:59 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=CbgTo7s1WxEA:10 a=3favBQXtAAAA:8 a=KnR_oujzIlRteUr7IPMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=cpMRa-8KuC4A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:50668] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4E/4C-25887-AC680015; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:56:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:56:42 -0500 From: Randall To: 'Triumphs' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. We're already there. I read an article just the other day about a printer that could easily handle a bellhousing in several kinds of metal: http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=256731&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_auto,bid_27,aid_256731&dfpLayout=blog "Potential materials include high-grade steel alloys, tool steels, aluminum or titanium alloys, nickel-based superalloys, and cobalt-chromium alloys." All it takes is money at the moment. But I expect the prices to continue dropping dramatically as the printers gain acceptance. Some home units are already below $1500 (though they don't handle metal or anything as big as a bellhousing). And the 'toner' is still expensive too, from what I hear. Of course, I'm still not crazy about trying to convert a TR3 into a MR2; I'd rather be making repair parts for A-types --- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 18:51:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6BE40557 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:51:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F1740549 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:50:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.102] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 6d6a000be20795f6; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:46:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:46:39 -0700 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Randall References: <20130124005033.Q3XHC.36878.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/23/2013 5:50 PM, Randall wrote: >> We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. > We're already there. I read an article just the other day about a printer that could easily handle a bellhousing in several kinds of metal: > http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=256731&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_auto,bid_27,aid_256731&dfpLayout=blog > "Potential materials include high-grade steel alloys, tool steels, aluminum or titanium alloys, nickel-based superalloys, and cobalt-chromium alloys." > > All it takes is money at the moment. But I expect the prices to continue dropping dramatically as the printers gain acceptance. Some home units are already below $1500 (though they don't handle metal or anything as big as a bellhousing). And the 'toner' is still expensive too, from what I hear. > > Would be a fun toy to have in the shop (although I suspect the purchase price would equal a fleet of Maybachs). But, geez, using a laser "in the kilowatt range...?" With a kilowatt CO2 laser, you could cut a bridge in half.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 19:04:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED0340645 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:04:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1044054B for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY173-DS10 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:54:53 -0800 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Michael Porter'" , "'Randall'" References: <20130124005033.Q3XHC.36878.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <5100927F.8040907@dfn.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:54:46 -0800 Thread-Index: AQKIOvVIl3A+BW1frFNfm7hIha6++wNWN0O5lsiCBtA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[CD9D49C0:01CDF9D5] Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I invested in a 3 in one lathe/milling machine about 2 years ago - to date, I have corrected 1 brake drum and modified an TR O.D. adapter plate. I haven't the slightest idea of how to really use the thing. There is a reason that there used to be schools, programs and unions to teach people things. Apprentice programs take years, and on the job training takes years more. A quality machine is a door stop - the knowledge, skill and time to use it represent the real cost/value. I have looked at some plasma cutting tables recently - wonderful machines, but unfortunately the user interface isn't dumbed down enough for me to be comfortable with it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 19:20:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D176540E31 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:20:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76D74044C for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:20:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MH300JZTYASPZU4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:16:05 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "Randall" , "'Triumphs'" References: <20130124005033.Q3XHC.36878.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone playing in the CNC field, (personal or professional) knows the 3D printer world relatively well these days. Even me..., just finished adding steppers to my own mill/lathe for full CNC....now just completed building a dedicated touch screen controller with custom keypad to drive it all (electronics design engineer by profession) The 3D printers best suited to such a project (bell housing) are now being purchased by small companies to replace foundry work. They deposit cintered metal where needed in the layer, and sand around where not. Then a high powered laser fuses the layer. The system repeats until the whole unit is built up. Cl;ear away the sand and you have a part in hand. Right now the biggest industry concern,,, yes... people can print a hand gun! It's been done, and fired. Some guy on youtube even fires an AR-15 where he made the main carrier on a 3D printer. Anything made from plastics, nylon, poly, etc can be made on a 3D printer. Now, even metals of all types. metal examples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPmL8cGAo kind of plasma cutting in reverse...metal deposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLndYWw5_y8 Zcorp ..wild all in one pieces http://www.zcorp.com/documents/259_650Video.wvx oh..car related...Even Jay Leno has his own 3D printer. He uses it to proto parts ...makes blanks for sand cast molds to make parts he needs not avail anywhere else. nfi...just dreaming what can be done....sooner than you think. :-) Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion >> We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell >> housing. > > We're already there. I read an article just the other day about a printer > that could easily handle a bellhousing in several kinds of metal: > http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=256731&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_auto,bid_27,aid_256731&dfpLayout=blog > "Potential materials include high-grade steel alloys, tool steels, > aluminum or titanium alloys, nickel-based superalloys, and cobalt-chromium > alloys." > > All it takes is money at the moment. But I expect the prices to continue > dropping dramatically as the printers gain acceptance. Some home units > are already below $1500 (though they don't handle metal or anything as big > as a bellhousing). And the 'toner' is still expensive too, from what I > hear. > > Of course, I'm still not crazy about trying to convert a TR3 into a MR2; > I'd rather be making repair parts for A-types > > --- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 20:27:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DAF40E2D for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:27:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECAD40557 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rdUq1k0020vp7WLABfNZZP; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:22:33 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rfNY1k00t0GAcNo8RfNZjD; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:22:33 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <20130124005033.Q3XHC.36878.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <5100927F.8040907@dfn.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:22:35 -0800 Thread-Index: AQKIOvVIl3A+BW1frFNfm7hIha6++wNWN0O5lsiCBtCAABj04A== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1358997753; bh=5QSwUC3KiHR4Dt3w2QqMNKvN/BGCFpsiHqtBWLGftOI=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tQxwLwwT82YLIkA9i2DUvDrrL1NKSF2IigP+L0+n/0oPI3nELz1u9ygWqdtAAlrVf 0qfK9INZa+LiqZYMYjAqoDUNv1dxr7LONHEDZdv1ecUND9gYz1cFef6lcsSmSN5l8c a661toVBASdSulij2PJWiIXf7oB+AWXG/vT7InFKq9dPZVQGwjRL2N6iRyxNIXUdsr ODqJRpgYPCMdGQpSw9en6IsU80bNXuwz2822L43F/s+zHepIZrGnPBKtCi+iZAX6Rn FHpSKsGhDBNc/YB/O+kAewGgWV4/+I8Q8ZnYp5vMquGNG2khNIoU0TYmsIOU4/OPHo VLS56/yEsn5ow== Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All depends on where you live. If there is a Tech Shop near you, check it out: http://www.techshop.ws/ I have a friend that teaches at several of them and he is encouraging me to join, which I probably will as soon as I start my next major project. Yes, they have 3D printers as well as machining tools and they are pretty good at staying up with technology, or so I'm told. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:55 PM To: 'Michael Porter'; 'Randall' Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion I invested in a 3 in one lathe/milling machine about 2 years ago - to date, I have corrected 1 brake drum and modified an TR O.D. adapter plate. I haven't the slightest idea of how to really use the thing. There is a reason that there used to be schools, programs and unions to teach people things. Apprentice programs take years, and on the job training takes years more. A quality machine is a door stop - the knowledge, skill and time to use it represent the real cost/value. I have looked at some plasma cutting tables recently - wonderful machines, but unfortunately the user interface isn't dumbed down enough for me to be comfortable with it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 23 21:37:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE240E31 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:37:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BB840560 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:33:03 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=pLCnVdUdc6wA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=207cH4v45zlBoUhTxccA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:50354] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7D/01-06157-C78B0015; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:28:45 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Alex&Janet Thomson" , References: <000001cdf95f$c4957170$4dc05450$@charter.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:28:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My brother installed a R & P conversion to his TR3A as well, he did not use a kit, but a TR7 rack (which is apparently narrower than a TR4 rack and fits better) and some fabricated bolt on attachment brackets a club member made up. I think the biggest issue is figuring out the steering wheel and turn signal arrange, since you don't have the stator tube and control head type arrengement easily mated to to rack, you have to have some u joints in the mix I believe. All statements qualified because I didn't do the work myself so specifics are a little fuzzy. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:49 AM To: "'Jonas Payne'" ; Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios > My brother installed the rack & pinion kit on a TR3A and the difference > was > unimaginable. With the kit, you could actually steer the car, effort was > half of what it was and you could keep it straight on the road without > exercising your wrists all the time. Of course, the original steering gear > could have been well wiped out and a new sector, worm and bushings could > have solved the problems. The only issue that I noticed was that the new > tie > rod ends seemed to be at an extreme downward angle to meet the steering > arms. Also, the regular fan has to be ditched for an electric fan in order > to free up sufficient room for the rack. I can't remember who sold the kit > but the end result was that the car was much more pleasant to drive. > > Alex Thomson > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:26 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Ratios > > Anybody out there know what the gear ratios for a TR3 were? > > Considering a T5 swap (over the Toyota) and want to insure that the > performance is close (or improved). > > Also - anybody want to weigh in on a rack and pinion conversion? The kits > seem a bit overpriced, and I'm pretty handy, so I'm curious as to what > others have done. > > Just sold my big healey and want to make my TR3 into a more comfortable > touring car. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 24 09:16:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF3640E16 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:16:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A411140442 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:15:23 -0700 (MST) s=MDaemon; t=1359043862; x=1359648662; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Reply-To; bh=/b2fG8oxXj2u MPrl94MZ80U2R2tbrZPNZzCeFrvrWUU=; b=xM8IaNcVHiRv6IgHAUJLCW0njF3g kiP2c0GjWwaEdWatMjyDegGwtCfGAbHYLtDeDFCKQ6M3/mPhR8GUnV+gMo/8tmwI O0cWZBe9sPh55wT9r7P/2sQNmhgUQyUIEY7xa4m/XolFroIkw7+EXsNpj4M1f+uD ly4IWYeceG49cmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=RJG9r+3NA7zUiHgcUeF/8yzXsCpb+Vtb9mFM2ZqJyo8/oAgwaSmefck27FgK rZdJeo3QM36nO88/nYXhhtfjgisXuO4lvZbdjEmYke/TDTIhCJ76kCzYM JQRUmc2deciJUQy2/uRCco6pv3JHJ6vNtYhKlFdT5xNyQoB1PQbu1k=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v12.5.8) with ESMTP id 20-md50000126347.msg for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:11:01 -0500 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:58:00 -0500 From: Mark Hooper To: 'Frank Fisher' , 'William Brewer' , 'Triumphs' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Frank: Sadly, no access to such fun toys anymore. I am now in digital media, so I've got auto-stereoscopic 3D flat screens that can show you your bell housing floating in the air, but it's "look, don't touch"... As others have noted, printing a real part is still a pretty expensive sounding procedure. Cheers, Mark From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: January-23-13 5:58 PM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com; 'William Brewer'; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion wow i have seen the old 3d modelers where they built the model in layers of some kind of epoxy that cured when exposed to laser light. they where pretty crude and very fragile. only seen video of the latest stuff. do you have access to one? i may still have the layout for my original model that i was going to machine out of the "lump" like any technology though im sure its big $$. my Aussie bell housing was just less than 500.00 3 or 4 years ago. Frank From: Mark Hooper To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Hi Frank: We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. The original printers were using a flow of sintered metals, but I think they are mostly plastics now and not suitable. It will be interesting to see what comes up in the next years. I read of a guy planning to print sections of a large house. That said, I think the existing 3D printers could easily produce the shape for making a casting mould. Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 24 09:57:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E775406AD for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:57:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5813240442 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:57:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2013 16:52:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.254] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2013 16:52:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2013 16:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 70983 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2013 16:52:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359046371; bh=/S8El2eafb6id6c15+Ay7dy4rKeNcHYjaXRJI6vXkA4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TiKST0z1odnBbvHjgZKjwyllYbv14K1VKn0PcFMAQrCayjpJaG0ou1OMP60tdCvw10AyU2qMZIM6b6KAP1ZZ4vRWXm4nUetnrNvluuWU0Usx/t5ar5MupJ1yrCBn+l3/oIhnyQerRuoGX2+UB49zHVEuXkb1N3b3ftvQaDcr58w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dS+C9dsHCRcLE73PyOG63sXEotoHS6wO9PGGGyayLbAi9IGqxm4yJhww3hUE0Orxu7s52/H/DmazILBSvKg1YrFeLri86R2oCVOVZYIAKCYugsZ7QiaQ55ENEmu5oMybfZR63m7d2UKKvkckUpnIi+sLjSvGPVzjbOSXUrMakv8=; Chqd2_k8aW7vNY9kVxzalT_eY4a.gebKV5OqJQwaOAHNmnlFKi4MPXHihaB1 XeNFx_GYTDeBcqLUNYHn0rMvuumbEaw2dDGm.v51IZep8ucJ0Aa_roCoDFec OGtSf9KBI1LTm6HLEObBWu_SX1wwO592rhNMPlnaJnM.IUhGX.CSrZaFOgS5 t7gANfmJ0XPcCziLqxNXn6cGATchs.bvV2Et14QmwvNQzJMuljN.KaHw9d2Z Ti3YjAhtvEL5Qp4Ajpt6HlhpBR6xAhpN9vcc91L1IEPM1qSeL04CCeEnOIiM yfz_MKGVrTWRIteZRGX3aeuRcV9jlpoJQKvb_Z_bj.6TrHHhZPgoBPrn_Tf_ rexMOfIOWpCHUJwtw5_FYNgGES5bo6MO.DS7I55a3.dBGY7hYDryhcJK6Zk5 Kz6S_GgTFisw_rc3UAQ9LDhmMEU2ANeRttcG2JZ0D2Jd2sr7iRuTYj6IbcHV 6vtP5ibsg09tLzvFraQquqMc1y0IuwSBUipvXAeO6 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:52:51 PST aSB0b28gaGF2ZSBsaW1pdGVkIGFjY2VzcyB0byB0aGUgQ05DIG1hY2hpbmVzIG5vdy4gc2FkIGZhY2UhCsKgCmkgZGlkIGhhdmUgbXkgYmVsbCBob3VzaW5nIGRyYXduIGluIDNEIGNhZCBhbmQgY291bGQgYWRkIHRleHR1cmUgYW5kIGNvbG9yLiBpIHRoZW4gaGFkIGEgY29udmVyc2lvbiBzb2Z0d2FyZSB0aGF0IHR1cm5lZCBteSBjYWQgZHJhd2luZ3MgaW50byBHIGNvZGUuIGJ1dCBhZ2FpbiBpdHMgYWxsIGdvbmUhCsKgCml0IHdpbGwgYmUgZXhwZW5zaXZlIGZvciBzb21lIHRpbWUsIGJ1dCBpdHMgZW5jb3UBMAEBAQE- References: <1358981878.22523.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9e3d18b6.1cdfa4b.be3dc5b6.389e@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "mhooper@indiefilmnet.com" , 'William Brewer' , 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i too have limited access to the CNC machines now. sad face! i did have my bell housing drawn in 3D cad and could add texture and color. i then had a conversion software that turned my cad drawings into G code. but again its all gone! it will be expensive for some time, but its encouraging that replacement or modified parts will become more readily available. but remember that miserable old engineer that sat in the corner growling at you when new technologies where introduced at work? seems im becoming him!!! i could still buy an Australian bell housing for around 500.00 ... humbug From: Mark Hooper To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Hi Frank: Sadly, no access to such fun toys anymore. I am now in digital media, so I've got auto-stereoscopic 3D flat screens that can show you your bell housing floating in the air, but it's "look, don't touch"... As others have noted, printing a real part is still a pretty expensive sounding procedure. Cheers, Mark From:Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: January-23-13 5:58 PM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com ; 'William Brewer'; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion wowi have seen the old 3d modelers where they built the model in layers of some kind of epoxy that cured when exposed to laser light.they where pretty crude and very fragile.only seen video of the latest stuff.do you have access to one?i may still have the layout for my original model that i was going to machine out of the "lump"like any technology though im sure its big $$.my Aussie bell housing was just less than 500.00 3 or 4 years ago. Frank From:Mark Hooper < mhooper@indiefilmnet.com > To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' < triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Your own T5 Conversion Hi Frank: We're getting to the point where a 3D printer could produce the bell housing. The original printers were using a flow of sintered metals, but I think they are mostly plastics now and not suitable. It will be interesting to see what comes up in the next years. I read of a guy planning to print sections of a large house. That said, I think the existing 3D printers could easily produce the shape for making a casting mould. Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 14:33:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D150C42260 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:33:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5A040E19 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.199.109.217]) by p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id t9Mp1k0024hUBlA019Mp8A; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:21:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:21:49 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac381CCFSO8jD3T6TMKGOdQCurrjIg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It has been several days since I saw a posting on the list: - Everyone's triumph is purring sweetly - I have been de-listed - No-one is posting Any help would be great. Thanks ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 14:48:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DED42259 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:48:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B5140E19 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:40:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E96201C00011A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (user-108707f.cable.mindspring.com [64.131.128.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 975F4E000083 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence Schwartz Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:36:00 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359322561; bh=zvTNhYhcPS61jPev7VIFHSJQu2hWdJ+JBzDfgNKSOuI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=bMpcFzcl8wjeBbR/2kmX4kLen3xLB44q8ePtVxRm99J1Z9JDHzL456RTjUIcDimyN SwPEM+OAljdAKpjZHA4Z+0YrjLUA3wbGMmocrMDxZzaULdX/XA4N/8hbWABaGM0lP9 Zk4pa3Mom20N4ksl+mjIEAQNquL1yKjhjMbtmdZI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290551059dc12d96 Subject: [TR] Tr-No news is great news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Larry Schwartz Sent from my iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 15:03:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4B240E25 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:03:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A52B403DB for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBD6A07C9 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:59:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:59:07 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00eb01cdfcd4$54f6f730$fee4e590$@uprichard.net> Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Healey list has been active today. Maybe you need to buy another car ;-) mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 15:04:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4842940E9C for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:04:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B58403DB for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2013 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.133] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2013 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2013 21:58:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359323891; bh=vPazXmEnyEI0ojNEjiTSjIIl8taEye4DcFI86cjegc8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=e5IKqBGuy3+85MJR5wyGxZqk7fZc4llyBSVyo7HvDDTnfpOUaFqwthxkUa07CUWC6rHabBp96uepkdOVHX+oKzC+xzKZZODehc0nkD8Qh/S59Vn16bRIzm6aq7ypsJERiZcKAjx/4yACzb8W7RefvdvRphUryRla4rO4JvV+Wns= LBLdv6YzVluLqcLarwtMTqqsiQWas51SwfUH7qAtpXcrkBYdzISmyBp90NFB QdGWZuSdzu3cMM0I6CcWj4rXBR6ixUwRN.yl28tP3W4hXsAcskUZck4hvHVV tzpvn5yQuk.b4D3aqwht2pLDC2gpojk3ZQDixGxXcOTFOe_Ce8_OuGlIQeHe x7B1IFMkplLBaNlmxv1d.I2KS09yC7zb.WWm0ByV8jSJsUIPw.0Q.5Z47dTq joMUonV4mZJPWFc_4MpPMo_2bpmp6ImXbEDZKGNjQ6UhN9XmjtlyHVQJbv4o jUZlufmKKw8bZazlT9n7JZt0KBx7Qf9ZrTT5V5Vo4Ld5D_5janF.f3lL6lEQ j.DOGE4E6oMI5UirPQU_ltDTTzfITW5H2JtdDwgMFpvPTqAXHHQzUx9y3H2d yY9ldSiZUeLNYGyrJRKRsJLyCfnNMcZeKhWWce5904IPW0buyxZ4eb0QgE8q 4B1drziuXsr6_B2in Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2013 13:58:11 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00eb01cdfcd4$54f6f730$fee4e590$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:58:12 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac381CCFSO8jD3T6TMKGOdQCurrjIgABRvLA Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Big car show this weekend, record number of British entrants (19) cars & motorcycles. I am sure I will break something next week. All the best, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:22 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] no news? It has been several days since I saw a posting on the list: - Everyone's triumph is purring sweetly - I have been de-listed - No-one is posting Any help would be great. Thanks ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 16:08:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D413840E1E for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:08:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E7640533 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id go11so3086750lbb.22 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:03:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WvxueeVRXUfDzJdBi6LkWOX89z/EvJI46r1bXgz+Qs8=; b=PLZzqM/jmNoxUeB4OieVbo9/pHEnvBTAWXe6BacJxeBhXb6FvPvSrr2jXx3x5bOBQX UIxOBCTzcnis7vOSBV3FOpcPQ6/A9nm5FlL2i1cAWvXOaooiOUMXQoYCa9xCasc7yXVp TQsOEuJG2c5bA43FuqbmU+uo4X10QNh4Bi4Nd4Z+rIWwxYgVQFcrs2sNHqaPHS0ABDps YWiq0Bcvmjicwg5e64fNEkhDi+4aqiV3vq2Ky2nKV00Hp54SPLi6rEWQB1AZj/ADtaST gE4TraJjM0X+fDRK3wfpb90nPGO0OZU1O3jzbdWbx5O86mn8MUraApExH1HuX+Voxvr3 8ggA== h5mr4934538lbm.12.1359327806753; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:03:24 -0800 (PST) References: <00eb01cdfcd4$54f6f730$fee4e590$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:03:24 -0500 From: Chris Simo To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ive been heads down working on the 6 and watching Daytona On Jan 27, 2013 4:59 PM, "Wbeech" wrote: > Big car show this weekend, record number of British entrants (19) cars & > motorcycles. > > I am sure I will break something next week. > > All the best, > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:22 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] no news? > > It has been several days since I saw a posting on the list: > > - Everyone's triumph is purring sweetly > > - I have been de-listed > > - No-one is posting > > > > Any help would be great. Thanks ! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 16:51:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DF340E32 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:51:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD4F4042E for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id tBmq1k0075SgtPc01Bmqtv; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:46:51 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , References: <00eb01cdfcd4$54f6f730$fee4e590$@uprichard.net> <5105A32B.1000807@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:44:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net and get into even more trouble with the wife . . . -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:59 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] no news? The Healey list has been active today. Maybe you need to buy another car ;-) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 17:36:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2A440E24 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:36:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385DD403D8 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:34:06 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=oUFbcG8NBs4A:10 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=HP6My3MLUWDqb7LERkAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:52995] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CA/AC-06157-966C5015; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:29:30 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Dave" , "Mark J Bradakis" , References: <00eb01cdfcd4$54f6f730$fee4e590$@uprichard.net><5105A32B.1000807@bradakis.com> <838F93E5635F4AD6B6ADF36A1CB6AFE8@Datsun> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:29:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Basecoat/learcoat v. Single Stage ZDDP Is all Gas the Same? Silicone Brake Fluid Pertronix v. Points Are no Lead Heads Needed? Overdrive v. 5 Speed Wh didn't we get fuel injection over here? Grose Jets! :) :) :) That should stir somebody up... Anon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 18:52:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AFE4068D for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:52:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8340C403D8 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:43:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6327BA07C5 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:40:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:40:20 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00eb01cdfcd4$54f6f730$fee4e590$@uprichard.net><5105A32B.1000807@bradakis.com> <838F93E5635F4AD6B6ADF36A1CB6AFE8@Datsun> <6E5A443BF39342FF96E0F0AC79CCA10F@livingroompc> Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg Lemon wrote: > Basecoat/Clearcoat v. Single Stage Oddly enough that traffic on the Healey list I mentioned? Some of it was on this topic. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 27 20:55:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F1740E22 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:55:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CA8403C8 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:45:42 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=oUFbcG8NBs4A:10 a=C6qmpSpbb1u6ApSlGAIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 46/13-01431-F43F5015; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 03:41:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:41:04 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac387u/Y7W54NPtlSR+KNXQ5+uhcRQAGivaw Subject: Re: [TR] no news? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > That should stir somebody up... You left out how to lubricate trunnions! Or grunions, which is what my spell checker wants to call them :) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 06:57:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF60840E62 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:57:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1581440524 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:57:39 -0700 (MST) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=pTzqZbqM9tkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=Qzsev_R-sWavhXqy8mkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:44628] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AD/E4-25887-BB286015; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:53:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:53:01 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Tucson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, To all the listers in Tucson, I will be there from 1 Feb - 16 Feb for the rock and mineral shows. We will be located at "The Rock Show" on Ajo Way. The show runs from 9:30 - 5:30 every day and I would sure like to see a Triumph after the show and have a beer with a fellow lister. We will be staying in our Coleman camper near "The Barn". Would be nice to sit and talk Triumphs after all day talking rocks and minerals! If you need directions/contact info please email me off list. Really looking forward to getting out of NYS and our sub-zero weather for a few weeks! Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 07:54:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2056406AC for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:54:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E7F4053C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1848A1C00015C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-doe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.69]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AA1DDE00008B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:46:59 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359384420; bh=SsqFxHCUdn67ao69odsOcNusEscPKc3yZQZv/WLGdb8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JrBx3Kef5dW4M55cvKEqRAbMr6f8CA+Q4upRJifkX5uYch6KdMr4Q3lMTAH6ie3ct /J3vfAiokpQ67lHfiV6HdFJHjBaLKGjjM9LOCXY0fW4S0hjKUNV/Jp0JMjVv80zWDt Ov1zWA7Pk/s+F6xzqNYCW7Mx1x6c+fD41Sozjcwc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51068f63162b Subject: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Suddenly (after 50 degree days last weekend), we bounced back into sub freezing winter with ice, snow, etc so I decided to pull out some old workshop manuals and assorted other Triumph reading and came across this very appropriate winter warning.... "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at speed when it is not required. Remember that in winter conditions with the lights on and other accessories in use, the current load will be considerable. In cold weather.....if there is too great a load.....the generator may fail to keep the battery fully charged" Wow.....you gotta love it! Imagine Chevrolet or Ford advising their customers in 1962 not to run the heater fan, headlights and windshield wipers at the same time in winter or risk a dead battery..... Despite the "warning", I did manage to keep my TR3's battery alive enough to keep going back in the 60's during commutes to college in winter with radio, lights, and fan motor on at full voltage.....I guess I would have been more concerned if I paid attention to the AMP gauge but I then I was distracted by the snow coming into the cockpit between the top of the windscreen and the top:) Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 08:10:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3051406AC for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:10:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2E240513 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:04:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 15:00:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.173.40] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 15:00:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp124-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 15:00:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359385202; bh=jKtS4u1T2JsQvClSg7GvyIW1eZqyQwLwWjXr/Bm8m9o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=R5cLrmtiEsmqmKvHNGXbjB/E37C1f8BO+O7bLjTHEPqL5Kjeq68Ylc43bAqhMwczAKZXRrMCpe8PvIZysXMJru1NuIBrc24PVv8EHEX2e6VST+JFpF+r4vSUxUlyJuDCZduUNX+/DfdRNIl5d/vXuJZ3yv+2WJ7uNUIoL2It68Y= e9WaiV6pgNp3FRZRvV05zURIYRnMfjQUl86iFOJZ039A1pya3XgTJgqrRXNP bvQiO5qFq5dS2wrJQPEKuIYdlmyR1w8sknnW2M2P.UN_XTu6XbMzFSLdrgW. hWYZ5j123LjMDsdZVJHcPAJYwa9b.b1xdeORmFDm8EieE8idAtGgbO9ip10P 6L8U.tUawK43k2mai3U7txrJ_KuksQc2QsS2USmh5h4fh6qZ7Q28l7yWWF7h bCd3iE1wN8lT_Ytm74RKkikrurw7T4fpazzvh9Wa.I5k5MXilRcZTFBKVPBl vSqnc8qdBOKsxdZKZi9eRAYBiWJ_uilDxddfmZBHpldbWsrGWbiFzLfDTrhy Hh7ycf0_CSZRXzWrF5YpTKr8R5lRZDVZA2LQE4Byo6WzD6KvQvBV_ecy_TPw ZPcQ0OMopw2_1GUdcjKNGfIr8JcgAUG0yWhDh8TVhiR1nhYxmiYqOyFeqAom jJa7V.Hux5Os- Received: from [10.245.131.233] (lgmtr6@174.228.200.142 with xymcookie) by smtp124-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 15:00:02 +0000 UTC References: <298ed.7af1bf2e.3e37e963@aol.com> From: Triumph List Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:59:59 -0500 To: "Chip19474@aol.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Reminds me of the story of when Sir William Lyons visited the Jaguar dealer in New York during a very bad winter storm. The sales rep asked why Jaguar couldn't build a heater sufficient to keep the interior warm. Lyons reply was why is it that Americans cant learn to dress appropriately for the weather! Larry Miceli 58 TR3 73 Stag 74 TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > Suddenly (after 50 degree days last weekend), we bounced back into sub > freezing winter with ice, snow, etc so I decided to pull out some old workshop > manuals and assorted other Triumph reading and came across this very > appropriate winter warning.... > > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in > difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at speed when it > is not required. Remember that in winter conditions with the lights on and > other accessories in use, the current load will be considerable. In cold > weather.....if there is too great a load.....the generator may fail to keep > the battery fully charged" > > Wow.....you gotta love it! Imagine Chevrolet or Ford advising their > customers in 1962 not to run the heater fan, headlights and windshield wipers at > the same time in winter or risk a dead battery..... > > Despite the "warning", I did manage to keep my TR3's battery alive enough > to keep going back in the 60's during commutes to college in winter with > radio, lights, and fan motor on at full voltage.....I guess I would have been > more concerned if I paid attention to the AMP gauge but I then I was > distracted by the snow coming into the cockpit between the top of the windscreen > and the top:) > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1962 TR4 CT2052L > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/lgmtr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 08:25:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435D940699 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:25:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1942D40513 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fo13so871524lab.10 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:12:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KCaXKWFiMa6alKoQrhiyknss7iXr++UScltN7eWZzMA=; b=F3rqH7cjC6uN3TPHtqop8XhR34YhsPmGQIunGjrg4UraBRZYvIvINIa8jCZw8hoMya v8sNB3WKGPz/8vUVTJgxj5wCriyhxah+9Z9SIR0IurEEU5bEaHEZGfMYILdta9U8YwiD 9/ZksmcIJ1g9NcCrpLWJWEdvmVJdZT+Zqi8P5jodd8351hapCvB7eWZr3wxderpM7sJR saHKprGAf5gYy2+3EvO95HPQOYj2dN7rhirKpNtYutqJ7D9cfJ4k3oLb1c8yuECyapqh eEsA2NxXcrDLOJSfzbp0EZTGWEqKoJeRaZm22UWKKoQ+D9CYXf43JlrOBW72mNOFL2nY v8cQ== s8mr5730824lbz.86.1359385978955; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:12:58 -0800 (PST) References: <298ed.7af1bf2e.3e37e963@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:12:58 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Chip19474@aol.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >From the TRA Philosophy Statement: *...We believe that the person inside an automobile who is cold in the winter and hot in the summer--just like the weather outside--is a more healthy person, who will no doubt live longer than those who drive along in a controlled, unnatural environment.* Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:46 AM, wrote: > ...Wow.....you gotta love it! Imagine Chevrolet or Ford advising their > customers in 1962 not to run the heater fan, headlights and windshield > wipers at > the same time in winter or risk a dead battery..... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 08:25:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3601240699 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:25:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f45.google.com (mail-da0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811940513 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-da0-f45.google.com with SMTP id w4so1296552dam.32 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:18:33 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G/QEZFbFeY5epp5aVliafEYg/XXq+w3pb4uEwwtknz8=; b=t3ULcpBuwOpNsUzgiMaN9/094Ing/DJUNGSzZeXUw9kOsq0h2vOQWEfVcqHBHYau4y VwT0PvLAZ63H0bBRKuJZ6x4QcRechRRT2owptpghB6Obj898dUxbiUOR8KpZZP8+msYX 2bsCCHla9l34dvAiA8Re/txI4Psx/5eoP/+yVnItur5usC9+6cabSSHDRexmKjuKcF07 pBLZgoJ31KmU/BVdgXRPq072muO9d+L9sxiegYU2md2UlCpqN+8VL+KTFjsHVYKUBQvT cdAV0y4hzxdeuqc8MIMVQsCm17lGMHt8C3bbzSmYZwoMK5O3NX0UiyzYIFUmcQz5ZnNu Q6hw== wx9mr38904356pbc.74.1359386313675; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-54-223.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.54.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oj1sm6487716pbb.19.2013.01.28.07.18.31 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:18:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:18:28 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <298ed.7af1bf2e.3e37e963@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/28/13 7:46 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in > difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at speed when it > is not required. Remember that in winter conditions with the lights on and > other accessories in use, the current load will be considerable. In cold > weather.....if there is too great a load.....the generator may fail to keep > the battery fully charged" > It wasn't just Triumphs. It appears that the British car industry wanted to discourage driving under adverse conditions. I actually had that happen to me when I was moving from Seattle to the Monterey bay area in an old Land Rover. I was driving the coastal route during a major rain storm. Two speed heater on high speed, wipers wiping, headlights on all day while driving. When I went to start the Land Rover the next morning there was not enough juice to turn over the engine. Neither my Land Rover nor my TR3 has a generator any more so I can use more than two electrical circuits at a time. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 08:43:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE67540571 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:43:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A3C40513 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id NQO23856; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:56 -0600 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <298ed.7af1bf2e.3e37e963@aol.com> <510696C4.6070405@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:52 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac39ax6U0MjqWrBkQvOl2plQBAHx+wAAjBcg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Heaters were optional extras on many English cars in the 50s and even into the 60s. I had at least two Morris Minors that had no heaters and I am pretty sure my 1960 Ford Popular didn't have one, either. My 66 Imp had one, and it was the height of luxury! MIke -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:18 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) On 1/28/13 7:46 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in > difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at > speed when it is not required. Remember that in winter conditions > with the lights on and other accessories in use, the current load > will be considerable. In cold weather.....if there is too great a > load.....the generator may fail to keep the battery fully charged" > It wasn't just Triumphs. It appears that the British car industry wanted to discourage driving under adverse conditions. I actually had that happen to me when I was moving from Seattle to the Monterey bay area in an old Land Rover. I was driving the coastal route during a major rain storm. Two speed heater on high speed, wipers wiping, headlights on all day while driving. When I went to start the Land Rover the next morning there was not enough juice to turn over the engine. Neither my Land Rover nor my TR3 has a generator any more so I can use more than two electrical circuits at a time. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@notwires.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 08:55:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568164226E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:55:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBA440046 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:48:44 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=HgzwsrdYTLIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=LWen9vJXUjEA:10 a=0LB63r1MetvAEzzh01gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6F/45-25866-3CC96015; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:44:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:44:05 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac39ZsglCzA430wYTZO3vWaa3S39bgABVieg Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the > car in difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, Do you mind sharing where that tidbit was? ISTR a note in one of the Triumph manuals that said to use a battery charger after a "winter run", but I can't seem to find that now either. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 09:13:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073DD40EBE for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:13:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094A34053C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 07EF41C000225 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mhc003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.195]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C6D3AE000088 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:08:08 -0500 (EST) References: <6F.45.25866.3CC96015@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.15) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:08:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:08:08 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359389288; bh=wD0Ldrk6KhpeDN6zXldqruF70OJPOhs+bWkA715BniI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NzeWWV8hIXMqjt0XEiN2LYK4PtVeHy5vbZI51Kv3vZlNk5GjWfeAp0d2WKCzB9FCC qfJChes73YxevKygT4eKcVhAVC+PHoCr/ETz+ZcYq1NlYYehm5cnLVuWPGpsmdfCrq l1MKrBkyv2A12+zCi2ZLeERa5ukv+Zryj3RRSf1I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5106a268361d Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, you beat me to this question! I don't recall seeing it in any Herald or Spitfire literature, which undoubtedly explains why, all these years, I've been able to run heater, lights, wipers and such with no complaints from any part of the charging system, all the while blissfully ignorant of the repercussions! :D --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Randall Do you mind sharing where that tidbit was? ISTR a note in one of theTriumph manuals that said to use a battery charger after a "winter run", butI can't seem to find that now either.-- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 09:26:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0A40572 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:26:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from relay8.bu.edu (relay8.bu.edu [128.197.27.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6D84053C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:19:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from BUSDM801RL ([155.41.214.108]) by relay8.bu.edu (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0SGDYDi017543 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:13:34 -0500 From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:13:34 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac39cmwdI4OFjUXRQA+77WnzGcUNdA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] No News Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No News, or What Killed the Dog is a great comedy routine from the turn of the last century. One should be able to search it on YouTube if you are interested. Ron L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 10:28:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9070F40E23 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82759403C8 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:18:04 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=HgzwsrdYTLIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=LWen9vJXUjEA:10 a=TomhDihxkHHkLB9_kmYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 90/A7-01431-3B1B6015; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:13:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:13:24 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac39cbvyHw/fgtk0Tg23U8uCdfaV+AABpysA Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > which undoubtedly > explains why, all these years, I've been able to run heater, > lights, wipers and such with no complaints from any part of > the charging system, all the while blissfully ignorant of the > repercussions! :D No doubt. I wasn't quite so lucky; used to have a dead battery at least twice a week because the generator just couldn't keep up with a short commute at night in cold rainy (or snowy) weather. At first I tried turning up the control box, but that burned out generators; then I took some measurements and discovered that the total load (on that TR3A) was well over 20 amps (not counting brake lights) while the stock generator was only rated at 19 amps. But part of the problem may have been that I wasn't using "Prince of Darkness" bulbs (the specs in the manual are remarkably low compared to US-spec bulbs) and had rewound the heater motor in search of a bit more heat output. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 10:44:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F98642279 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:44:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190F040322 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id dr12so1232045wgb.11 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:39:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1KBGJngyBk1begXkM3LWWyKAyPIGLXmQu0RtkZYBUaM=; b=LmKD36pBugsvCe4uh2EbyeEJCJ27WDMobSIkv+UJUezfqqEiDHSC9nQdF8/jrImP2A QdZ1IKdKQl1Ex+nWfXT8FDZoZi6Vp8hgCBiMNT31Ryq9kaHE+/Gn3ALKaoLumxr4gs2t qTneTFMfVIlekJu54oOkos14Fn5OeqvDNlqUGZVgDGWXQheyusUBCJnO52X1RtmJVgX/ Dw6CM+QH7c7cQWl9Jpysu5R33J5CYOJRiKzT9ae/ucl8p+Yc88J3dBxNzLHEXwDi2UVw fFlo0ogaTGxD6jOuc8u6iM5ERmcBUoMH3aPjSm8qfu/wNAKSjP3BztxfPN8EVqKoUR3j 7UXQ== en10mr22813053wjd.24.1359394791491; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.165.8 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:39:51 -0800 (PST) References: <298ed.7af1bf2e.3e37e963@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:39:51 -0600 From: John Innis To: Chip19474@aol.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can't remember which car it was, but one of the British roadsters from the 60's had an available "cold weather equipment" package. One of the items in that package was a blanket. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:46 AM, wrote: > Suddenly (after 50 degree days last weekend), we bounced back into sub > freezing winter with ice, snow, etc so I decided to pull out some old workshop > manuals and assorted other Triumph reading and came across this very > appropriate winter warning.... > > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in > difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at speed when it > is not required. Remember that in winter conditions with the lights on and > other accessories in use, the current load will be considerable. In cold > weather.....if there is too great a load.....the generator may fail to keep > the battery fully charged" > > Wow.....you gotta love it! Imagine Chevrolet or Ford advising their > customers in 1962 not to run the heater fan, headlights and windshield wipers at > the same time in winter or risk a dead battery..... > > Despite the "warning", I did manage to keep my TR3's battery alive enough > to keep going back in the 60's during commutes to college in winter with > radio, lights, and fan motor on at full voltage.....I guess I would have been > more concerned if I paid attention to the AMP gauge but I then I was > distracted by the snow coming into the cockpit between the top of the windscreen > and the top:) > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1962 TR4 CT2052L > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jdinnis@gmail.com -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 13:31:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20B040E6C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:31:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80C140517 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:22:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9931F3800005F; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-doe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.69]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6AF5EE00008F; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) To: jdinnis@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359404256; bh=h2T15KtPOXlQfODquYzx6kStGvnp8CVND/PKgSj3ii0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uJc+LFBDLjxlpaGuFU0rOlXVngj5YM0TXkAHEEb6+Hy2/CTAdcCFznrFmovLcx2lL rcAXwxWDAG1Vk9XzBavJku/IXq8eaUTo4qj5Ak/dRAu9fvoDTqQRG9/8gjnBHtAMKS ng6JA+58zQAXAvrlqocJN2X/rGIZOQzR6cv0Tw8w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495106dce0289c Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ha, ha, ha.....I used to carry a blanket or two but mostly to keep my girlfriends warm.....ahhhh - those were the days:) In a message dated 1/28/2013 12:39:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdinnis@gmail.com writes: I can't remember which car it was, but one of the British roadsters from the 60's had an available "cold weather equipment" package. One of the items in that package was a blanket. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:46 AM, wrote: > Suddenly (after 50 degree days last weekend), we bounced back into sub > freezing winter with ice, snow, etc so I decided to pull out some old workshop > manuals and assorted other Triumph reading and came across this very > appropriate winter warning.... > > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in > difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at speed when it > is not required. Remember that in winter conditions with the lights on and > other accessories in use, the current load will be considerable. In cold > weather.....if there is too great a load.....the generator may fail to keep > the battery fully charged" > > Wow.....you gotta love it! Imagine Chevrolet or Ford advising their > customers in 1962 not to run the heater fan, headlights and windshield wipers at > the same time in winter or risk a dead battery..... > > Despite the "warning", I did manage to keep my TR3's battery alive enough > to keep going back in the 60's during commutes to college in winter with > radio, lights, and fan motor on at full voltage.....I guess I would have been > more concerned if I paid attention to the AMP gauge but I then I was > distracted by the snow coming into the cockpit between the top of the windscreen > and the top:) > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1962 TR4 CT2052L > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jdinnis@gmail.com -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 14:49:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106D840E4E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:49:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F54B40E1A; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MHC004JKV12P461@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:43:51 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: , References: <380-220131128203947579@M2W119.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:44:14 -0500 Cc: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear GT6+ steel brake line needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...you also need a bubble flare at the cyl end and an inverted flare at the flex hose connection. yep..had to make my own for the same reason (NLA) My issues were two fold though. On my roto setup I stayed with the rear Spit style connections so had to custom bend the cyl hard pipes to come around the back side, rather than just down and forward. I welded a tab to the backplate to support the interconnect as stock and the flex lines run up like stock Spit lines. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: [TR] Rear GT6+ steel brake line needed > I'm looking for the steel brake lines, specifically for the GT6+ (for > those > who need numbers, 309710 and 11), that run from the rear flex hose to the > slave cylinder. For those of you in the know,they are bent like a pretzel > to clear the upright, Rotoflex etc. > As many of the parts specific to the GT6+ are made of unobtainium, as > these > appear to be, I was wondering if possibly the TR6 rear lines could be > used. > If the length is right I could bend them to suit my application. > What I need is a line that is 13 and 1/2 inches long (measured straight), > with a long male 3/8 flare fitting at one end, to mate with the slave > cylinder, and a 3/8ths female flare nut, to mate with the flex hose at the > other. > It appears that the TR6 uses something similar at the rear but I do not > have on hand any to measure it. > I "could" probably flare my own, but I would rather have them already done > as bending the line would be relatively easy - and I hate to order one > just > to find out it won't work - > Anybody have a TR6 rear one the bench, or in their spare parts box that > they could measure? > > Barry - > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 15:20:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1DA42285 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:20:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DD140646 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fo13so1146184lab.10 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nJL2OOVFmT8mvBgQaufzr6kJQVV90d0O3/2ZAraRjI8=; b=JcBR62L/DI8mJmVrW04jAhgy2OT4j0hpeq2QcNUFI6jXz6gGe5/y+cs5eC2HzV4S89 US9DO4j3Ne5yNB89QT0JPsxqD3z6VNibrc8MrJ5rWhJE0A2C5WjLgdQKI36A/ZAgy7GJ 1E78YdSe9UxfUulJQfoJeeymWUUwPsKG4YpK65OYezIRyA2HlF1IKTaIb+SuOOgiY5WV WENWCVpzHOWpScZdE0kR11+fONPevUIkPpIncQW7Pkmt12UQEq7j1G/aXokr2nXYfBrW Pf7wk/NB5wG+MlBQzyYrucef6E67GEYxe+TlsLNPe/jHzMqfyBS8zFG7D6BoItkZlupT RJrQ== sr5mr14729109lab.33.1359411330724; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:15:30 -0800 (PST) References: <13d111c.133500.13c820d7ace.Webtop.13@optonline.net> <8CFCB9142B107E1-160C-320DB@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:15:30 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Anything "British" happening in/near Indianapolis? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is an opportunity to remind all to please let me know if they plan to be in the Tucson area as there are many LBCs things afoot this time of year. For example, in reply to Bob L's recent message about a Tucson visit next month there were 5 British car events during the 16 days he will be in town. Warmer than Iowa too. Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Dennis, If you were in Iowa, we'd keep you busy. > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dennis culligan > To: triumphs ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:53 am > Subject: [6pack] Anything "British" happening in/near Indianapolis? > > > List - > Looks like I will be here in Indianapolis for at least a week or two. > I know it's > winter but is there anything LBC-related happening within an hour or two > of Indy? > Thanks. > Dennis Culligan, not in Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/n197tr4@cs.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 15:34:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7D340322 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:34:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C2E40646; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.123.133] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 290931C001A; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Delis Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:28:18 -0500 References: <380-220131128203947579@M2W119.mail2web.com> To: v6spitfireguy@cox.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear GT6+ steel brake line needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have you tried SpitBits? It LOOKS like they have what you are looking for. Very nice people and very knowledgeable (NFA) Alex On Jan 28, 2013, at 3:39 pm, v6spitfireguy@cox.net wrote: > I'm looking for the steel brake lines, specifically for the GT6+ (for those > who need numbers, 309710 and 11), that run from the rear flex hose to the > slave cylinder. For those of you in the know,they are bent like a pretzel > to clear the upright, Rotoflex etc. > As many of the parts specific to the GT6+ are made of unobtainium, as these > appear to be, I was wondering if possibly the TR6 rear lines could be used. > If the length is right I could bend them to suit my application. > What I need is a line that is 13 and 1/2 inches long (measured straight), > with a long male 3/8 flare fitting at one end, to mate with the slave > cylinder, and a 3/8ths female flare nut, to mate with the flex hose at the > other. > It appears that the TR6 uses something similar at the rear but I do not > have on hand any to measure it. > I "could" probably flare my own, but I would rather have them already done > as bending the line would be relatively easy - and I hate to order one just > to find out it won't work - > Anybody have a TR6 rear one the bench, or in their spare parts box that > they could measure? > > Barry - > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ols@bcdef.net 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 16:36:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB7042278 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:36:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E8F40544 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:25:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.34] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:25:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:25:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359415529; bh=aFlrZ30J/omz6nCNJ1Ybof8AQ9ydC5zsa9IP01vqdVU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=EwwP/pE0LKiJ6s9QdQ8DNfi5RDDMT82lCYmswn2owPys1yCSrnCAQwEd0ukhBFjjrKZOvP3MNi3yd26KC4Li88DXD2yl6Vd72xpOahQrAo0X/m21QLJSuWoFlpvjiLbCjtMOQxtni0g/3Mg+QasDXG0g2m6CsvdaiA9xbb3RHdQ= XecwmZcYqcyav45HHU3P088Y_mMi5TLWcwmrMrHmvvd5QqahNI7w.62NJf8f 1QFbYMAazL6xGncLuvZJaO2iyAzJlRJZtGrKv12IgfupLG0IBh68thgOV3i_ JArWaIK7WCQtPJWzbwxOYx2nUqSIgwGvHNKmnWy8brUgxsBLv7XVcDLH2lXg 98mWoEc_e8CWaU33pfU4cuFN9juoaeJ.Wyjt2c3fF1tfwzUOv.brHIFBaK.8 H9M6sEfwMrKMh22qxHw_06OHfX0JMzVcyTM8TRPjC_Ves5Va17YlV25QVttM v4IIIe_0cy3qmRxTdT4mMQUTz2MGn8esli7Ff0Dzn.lF.PFIssv6eg3nmzfr hZ2GHqiGj1fcThf5JTTAv2LR1feGi5leQfoYBT6DxG4qT5z4V_UQpVQlAahI DevMeojlwp9B4bgNL Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 15:25:29 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:25:51 -0600 thread-index: Ac39rs6x9W5H/44vTsiQ7h8bdhPNzQ== Subject: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Thanks, Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 16:40:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593E942466 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:40:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA784056E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:35:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:35:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 37113 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2013 23:35:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359416118; bh=vpKp8H8+5MuEQT+NEKwYqTksLo3CRZuqVFUgjg2mmIY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y0ZMlisIk1e5haBPtRARGZjsG7AVxP+kxzHWNtfm+XDbmjwcacANQ5BMPkX2kyGcIrLeaZD/z7jnpy20PLDghQfS3y/mnCu0ipH3fDLJ2So5C9Wdz9MmCP2NlTzBF5Hfuw7rsUZhc1X/XkuxAYTrqzE0QSAcmURnBjOf+J54Zxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cqwGvh5OVuHlLaU4ApLAGl/iISmDSwD3RyXDXeTJBuJIN1ykxC1BtQbb1mFtGkyU4zW2Oyk1KXfo2bNLSMw76N1vTX3SdVH+bMiI0aWK37K5+0FYq/SLTZv8Tbfo7WwqH486wqEmPOSQUTnfBDjmYMAl/90pB5x4TRFRC5x+XTA= ; pDR_._LwHGdKpTkncUdMjANkd0ZfkipBXxd9POYGEtnjEOYJq5ocmHIxcgd2 Li99_CEgKJwPtiMU1StubwJG3.1jk81AqGURZ_vbAf4I41NOe1Bv3bl.h1V5 67ykLon6nZsTjaGxvFkgNOTjlqrwbosyT.IA0XDGglRo9rhnx4mRJ9VxGBLo wR7R.tSeVzJwpXDZ0H8YCNvqAdfNUhyUOy2VhPQc5ZN05p4IJvv4CIXv1IOy lEzryO.mN9QexBWISiIrGQGgU1wUrxqVyJrmfPsxIJIfKW.ahL19bRjm7_Mm gWLtCuvGeL1T6.WT_9RW9v3U7V1e3wdqZS_xXF7bFMlDaki5jWhqJZ4QOTHP ePD6rQnZw89PwvCJMFvgPwvC_L4EYOZfV4Dr1NDI67NeM5VSte.8fdv2h9ty MX4_SCSAQXF80AZVQF5tVPtIyT5P3VnG9qla.gtaNQKg6TLWz8u8lM4hqTZ7 DIldNYKkjGvBtS8yzaF0slR2H78th90YiUqJv73RgoQQJkko_N7Tfx1QN Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:35:18 PST aG93IGFyZSB5b3UgbWVhc3VyaW5nIHRoZSBzbGFjaz8KdGhlcmUgaXMgYSBzcHJpbmcgYXQgdGhlIHNpZGUgdGhhdCB0ZW5zaW9ucyBpdCwgYnV0IG5vdCB1bnRpbCB5b3UgcHV0IHRoZSB0aW1pbmcgY292ZXIgb24uCkZyYW5rCgpGcm9tOiBXYmVlY2ggPHdiZWVjaEBmbGFzaC5uZXQ.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDI4LCAyMDEzIDM6MjUgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBUUjNCIHRpbWluZyBjaGFpbiBzbGFjawoKV2hhdCBpcyBhbiBhY2NlcHRhYmwBMAEBAQE- References: <8FAD578946A54F5FB9B2ABF19A6E7F22@bboffice> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Wbeech , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net how are you measuring the slack? there is a spring at the side that tensions it, but not until you put the timing cover on. Frank From: Wbeech To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Thanks, Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 17:06:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EAA42287 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:06:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A78A4056E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:59:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:54:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.42] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:54:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:54:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359417297; bh=TNNwtYR2LANk0NQBFNoi5WlstO3F80dPzDlhquVTOBw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=h+I+WlxkeaU8HbljCgq4dKvT1mgVMMjGH8djgfuxWPXTx/wLS2nvVx28LbpGnvGdCcQuONcTwniZEF9s3P/i1ujOy8XDa3CMugji0tZNwdD+b0KZpFeXl0U4wQFnfWeyuc/wX1IPZu5TxGfL7ME3dbir9e8TZFmshw7j7iT1uPU= Oseymwjc.zpgaNObgpkiMlctrYvgKKEWRXkkzvsWkx0Bpdd59TjHchjWfo8f Tam1RfwfFQTDSONmwRT.I3yLpZxN7Tf1rB5Jrsj8duRjLjtya7jJC4ByJv39 sAwEQFzjZAN8DHxCeN3ZokZRHdQu8iEyGxSrAfGihO7IEsIwjgKZfcSzK575 abLS.pVB0.Mo1yBYZCpCgZxPJgzaLKbPEIYpz7Iauge7RtRXyshxdhHwhu37 LH2h9MilVXpo15_6L46CVwTrPKIN3ZZMnlxWPaiQLU8QKfvTqBuJPYe12C_x SQiIPYYlOOgL8TY69l1JZORIHIyiQo5iY56V.l8nkUZTQduKY04n2CYYDKcP sEY1jo2A1BPxZ7OgH3B60rMyi.7rXwJrnq5Nteq4VaxRFjMbNsfRv77AqDLQ sUOA9JdX4nI.1WrGVdKJaETSpQFgu5E8uRHpDeNZl2S.k0gLXQIpyOD15STh 1e1b.CRxt80ZzrSZ7 Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 15:54:57 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , References: <8FAD578946A54F5FB9B2ABF19A6E7F22@bboffice> <1359416118.31914.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:55:20 -0600 thread-index: Ac39sCKWmZrDFpo0RweOj7pGZQYCZQAAl3ZA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Measuring horizontally at the center bolt with the tensioner removed. There is very little side play, I don't know about any rattle noise as I have never driven this engine although it seems very sound. In side of the cover is sludge/crud free. Bill _____ From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:35 PM To: Wbeech; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack how are you measuring the slack? there is a spring at the side that tensions it, but not until you put the timing cover on. Frank From: Wbeech To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Thanks, Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 17:21:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C956D42280 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:21:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB5240568; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:12:08 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=3QScuvcNy7MA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=EBB9ISz5_wEA:10 a=Nl2yaNaYAAAA:8 a=BSjb4dujfLOKyb4ItasA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=43XqmrC-Nb4A:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:63401] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4C/0D-27917-EB217015; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:07:26 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Alexander Delis" , References: <380-220131128203947579@M2W119.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:07:28 -0600 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear GT6+ steel brake line needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used a local "clutch and brake" shop to make a couple lines for my car, if you have something like that or a shop that specializes in hydraulics, and ideally owned and or run by old timers who were around when LBCs were a little more current, they should be able to do the appropriate flares if you have the hardware, they may have the hardware too. If you need specific hardware these guys can probably help, as well as maybe the usual suspects. http://store.fedhillusa.com/britishgirlingbrakelinenutsandfittings.aspx Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 17:25:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEDD40568 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:25:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD2A40568 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id l12so21988lbo.19 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:20:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5kFepOJxC0J01YUSOPoB4TcVnEcjUizxxazzSPzqTXE=; b=bosWGtT6x1XvJQfB1rceFXP/zmEIbXjqZYaHJRuHKMf1J8S2KMa8JATiKZLOIJw/E5 zAT5vaOsiQl240hSyEOCIF3qHdRCalYR0bnyVK8IRZYgOdtlvEonCp77oTUsuN/qNf+/ 1k4HaFxJeWO1CVQmvXgk6wRDVFiOAhRmBFJyPHDhk236rVQL84UebyeywGFVsgAGWa9O 75uvf1SUj6+AuajrIWvvNhssmjvcvQYdzFB4XCrdOh27jQtfh6VOyPCOymR18a+2zDCO kK0q803pGfZWEGXarD0jsx646TX2bgYzsD7wTc5DHBZuyofmU1lyd1xJrqpY2xycnW6q LCjA== Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:20:48 -0800 (PST) References: <8FAD578946A54F5FB9B2ABF19A6E7F22@bboffice> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:20:48 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill - I know this is in the manual somewhere -- but couldn't find it just now. But my notes from the last time I did this say "per manual, slack of < 0.4" is acceptable". What's a mm? Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Wbeech wrote: > What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With > all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this > OK? > Thanks, > Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 17:52:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF1242274 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:52:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A2B4056E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 00:38:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.126] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 00:38:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 00:38:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359419889; bh=53bC9lTbIhCH3UzXHI0LoBlZQnqVzZueUm5IjcGp/IE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=ch/Ev4iUIVYJzwzWo7EndAfQRhQz8BK6o+/u+kQGDZWL9zi9cQw+CG/dRgQ4LRczQvF3MIu9Cz9ivuFzXiyBXyYRdZ9VN0ulEYIRCwTIelvKvQ1mQeaseYe92UDZgaVHaR5g5eTahYOeEsp9Jgk+JEOGJl+sSHEjsKSBFwMOr5g= MOuBsMSAAEhnQSK0H2nI9hRoZlVTPwubP_TD45yTt7U_iSYF_hvyjT.78pKt tIK1u_ac1ho0GIiIphDmhvsVQPFKAFfFeksW.9kuXC3KDuCgYYSrz4CEoXcr zbuU8zVquTmX.Mar2PZg1TCOzq_zwAD4_FFHtgO0WZF_CjjHcMD92skyhGVB NJwTWJlUe1VcySmm3whgfPRmm13V4bswo3gUP4L9U9MvZ2b.tW0Inld96l_s ktH3W8JZ7Viq5sYtiSe4zUXHJ.B8jnhdOP80JZ34iXwdmIh51KPOfKYb2drS uSNatlmbqpPtQFASkWkUKft3VlBaKRrtcz3NRorFD7o9PkC4Nl2qgRp8mC28 5SQrASKfylpYCcWbgxTbMUH9C2hdhhxppLWFruk19YfZBbJuaWEW9z6DY7PH IKw8MFDDh7DflIAJ9 Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 16:38:09 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: <8FAD578946A54F5FB9B2ABF19A6E7F22@bboffice> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:34 -0600 thread-index: Ac39tn3L4qcdLObcRLuouRl6rCK09QAAi/Bg Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net mm+Millimeter, about 1 inch, so more than double your noted amount. Guess I'll buy a new chain. TRF lists three different qualities of timing chains: 1. AE brand $19.95 2. Replica $9.95 3. Renold $48.93 Or, Moss just lists one at $9.95 Just for the weekend driver, does anyone have any expereince with these? Thnaks, Bill _____ From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:21 PM To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Bill - I know this is in the manual somewhere -- but couldn't find it just now. But my notes from the last time I did this say "per manual, slack of < 0.4" is acceptable". What's a mm? Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Wbeech wrote: What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Thanks, Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 17:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF340046 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:54:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA44056E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id l12so35669lbo.33 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:41:28 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MV7ocLyAUbC/mvI5aaioisrbZoFDXOOR1VLDfotcXbk=; b=kdjv9iZO1wb2AUoqfPc5H1JgO/S3mUVLKjVrwEVnmMCe1xvvyWjYpOEgK4FV+XTwaO s30yVQu4x3yHcUWoJd7rBpL/EZzLOr+lz5y/nQ6fvYSOGTlv6djR/+ZHeq51Yb3MAdvU hPS0uwt6/8PvVtZ1I0VzlrtXtw+w69tI7tL11JfVHxVAwgyAQ8Vfpj5KTMXqkp6Wpg6d FI9Rj8XtPyErIYqd4+TDtG9FA3gxBh+KA5Ax0fZPaDQMqRTOpP+5O1CPWfnV4Gj2oHiF S8Q4DnAz1Vz23uDAQ04LkVrMa8Wp6pZgzsKEMo1hM2o5PTewcMMt7CCKJ9hUiFVfISfy zqcQ== th4mr14993153lab.19.1359420088401; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:41:28 -0800 (PST) References: <8FAD578946A54F5FB9B2ABF19A6E7F22@bboffice> <96F5CBABDD5242CDBC4F756A63A54595@bboffice> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:41:28 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill - Yeah, I really knew what mm meant -- I was just shocked (shocked, I say) to see that unit of measure used on a TR3 post. I agree that an inch sounds like too much slack. What you might also think about is whether excessive wear on the sprockets is part of the equation. Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Wbeech wrote: > ** > mm+Millimeter, about 1 inch, so more than double your noted amount. Guess > I'll buy a new chain. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 17:57:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB00406AE for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:57:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFA840046 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-12557.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.228.18] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TzzRP-0002Mj-FQ for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:52:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:53:02 -0500 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: My "el cheapo" 750 mA battery charger just bit the dust. Second one in a few years to fail. Purchased them from our local/national auto supply store (Canadian Tire). Just wondering if there is a more reliable alternative available in the 750 mA range to keep the battery alive through the winter storage period. This winter I have left the battery in the car with the trickle charger connected. Maybe I should remove it and take it inside? Thanks for any leads or brand names. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 18:08:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76B840698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:08:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BB240395 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:02:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 409981C000077; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dsc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.73]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0AB3FE000082; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:57:54 -0500 (EST) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:57:53 -0500 (EST) To: wbeech@flash.net, ahwahneetr@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359421074; bh=MOLxWEX0gmsLlcDEOhv92rvyVifzHEb7rRLrxQTGVzU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SbbKtQXZfJmpvr0nSKEQ/OjCEi/wXz70CYW9rA3366YZRnNiKNwXm25kxJIorHpRV XvUFh1bH8h/s8roIPT1tpEe63AfV/gBobEJs9AO13eEOol8Wd4A7fwgIo6/izdNGTp LEAV9RTVgdYkb3MFUQBHBuQ/JJOtkOPGorNnXG8s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294851071e9229ea Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The timing chain on my early TR3A began rattling very noisily. When I replaced it, I went with the Renold brand. I can't say if it's better than the others, though reports suggested it was far superior. Although I have driven the car over a summer since, I don't think that's really enough time to say whether or not it's performance is superior to the others. Tim In a message dated 28/01/2013 7:48:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: mm+Millimeter, about 1 inch, so more than double your noted amount. Guess I'll buy a new chain. TRF lists three different qualities of timing chains: 1. AE brand $19.95 2. Replica $9.95 3. Renold $48.93 Or, Moss just lists one at $9.95 Just for the weekend driver, does anyone have any expereince with these? Thnaks, Bill _____ From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:21 PM To: Wbeech Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Bill - I know this is in the manual somewhere -- but couldn't find it just now. But my notes from the last time I did this say "per manual, slack of < 0.4" is acceptable". What's a mm? Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Wbeech wrote: What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Thanks, Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 18:23:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458EA40337 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:23:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DEB40046 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130129011437.VQJI24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:14:37 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id tdEd1k0033enFnk05dEdF7; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:14:37 -0500 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=FI7X23vdPr4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Cml7NA_fWx8A:10 a=jdGkyk6YAAAA:8 a=Wb0r0e_9AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=dhZvWsBZE_LcyP2b6AIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <51071D6E.30002@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:14:36 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJHqWg6tFLp+4hNO+bsysHMBiuuipdsJVGg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have several chargers, including a fairly new Sears 10 amp automatic and a NAPA 3 amp unit that is at least twenty five years old (It still has the Balkamp name). I try to do a charger rotation, placing the charger on a vehicle for about a day or so. With 2 Triumphs and about 8 farm tractors that don't get any use during the winter, this method seems to work for me. I think I would be a little leery of keeping a maintenance charger hooked up continuously to a battery plus I don't plan on buying 10 small chargers. Now, I do know that upper end stand-by generators are usually equipped with a float charger that stays connected all of the time. Of course, those are not 29.99 units, either. Rotating the charger(s) around a bunch of vehicles also provides an opportunity for a once per month check of everything, as well. "Battery Tender" is one big name in maintenance chargers and MacNeil Automotive Products has one as well. http://batterytender.com/ http://www.weathertech.com/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:53 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Battery trickle charger Hello List: My "el cheapo" 750 mA battery charger just bit the dust. Second one in a few years to fail. Purchased them from our local/national auto supply store (Canadian Tire). Just wondering if there is a more reliable alternative available in the 750 mA range to keep the battery alive through the winter storage period. This winter I have left the battery in the car with the trickle charger connected. Maybe I should remove it and take it inside? Thanks for any leads or brand names. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 18:54:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BBE42273 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:54:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AFB40395 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id l12so85987lbo.5 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:48:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1Xd1B4MVqzcr70tyl7Wo2mRBEHZJB17eTkLso/TfaXw=; b=kjc0GlvRo/NkV3YtdJkgZrb64avS25gva+PYQok3h3C/jVMeqc3Q6qlvlvK7nDSPbD WA6lodh4kKbsoGXb9bqRrzLXm42Elm04lDXiaHtr0OOh6aJxRiDUJ1mjq2cTLBiBowRL uIw7nlCXR6BrEVrJ4rqWUefuBF6fyxztOAcjICceJzA2KJagH4EKeqal8wzPehWVhJH+ BZtGojNKarpI0NA39cd0HF76SZy0U1irFvG7yN1O24anD6NSzJizHrtbXv5qIWi+COG5 fzRCjQ4aBuNSp6orQ2R0yIraghenaMN/Ikr0pHtQYUDDHQUgrmFrIMPE1Y4wkcC7nQzl wyUg== oz20mr15053902lab.30.1359424109616; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.164 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:48:29 -0800 (PST) References: <1a6a9.227262e2.3e387891@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:48:29 -0500 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've heard chains and gears wear together. With an inch of slack, I'd make sure the gear teeth have enough depth left to do their job. The gears on my tr2 were shallow and quite sharp. I bit the bullet and replaced the set. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 18:58:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89AD422A6 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:58:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB6F42458 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs13so1189330lab.22 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:52:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=t1ZOHo4Yt4vSqp8SDphvFOXFz2mgwh66KE3hcFM0ae8=; b=PHaR7/eemvaXUPvOlJ7Mj3bUowS/m6AR0b2FMFIQkvoYY4sojrkwdFX7Nb35WJ1BV1 /kJERyPH4jAXdNLu0Ha36JRoeHumGDC6ow9KRJBc6fwLZeRpt01YNXxy9QW+kO7aSLYq ISshOQjo49gWDobk+Sa4pIEFjX/PcKMTb8zD3v6cusIWq4wRgF3fTt9QFJ3nZDYWJETy hUumrE6evRgGTxch8zq/YmAO8u1g76sAnmC0a2NbGYMGn02NO6ooDdJe4B676MN9rdDM 9liY2Ak1bsUBFabhYV/Ec48HvG3+A2QQCzD15BFOqpAcKQXpTFg8UoncBaAVHcxZ5QSA oDMw== sl7mr14924998lab.23.1359424349634; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:52:29 -0800 (PST) References: <51071D6E.30002@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:52:29 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Angelo Graham Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Coincidentally this topic just came up on another list and someone whose opinion I value spoke highly of this unit: Battery Tender Haven't used it myself (live where we drive all year) but looks good. Geo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > My "el cheapo" 750 mA battery charger just bit the dust. Second one in a > few years to fail. Purchased them from our local/national auto supply store > (Canadian Tire). > Just wondering if there is a more reliable alternative available in the > 750 mA range to keep the battery alive through the winter storage period. > This winter I have left the battery in the car with the trickle charger > connected. Maybe I should remove it and take it inside? > Thanks for any leads or brand names. > Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 19:09:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C557A40EA7 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:09:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F27F40E1A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:59:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tdjt1k0041Y3wxoABdv4Kc; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:55:04 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tdv41k00L2xZMJ48bdv4nH; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:55:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:55:04 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Alex&Janet Thomson s=q20121106; t=1359424504; bh=OTO+/2roVSZ1girSPr1yn3kszjTdHQ7RBltbZoo11N8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GcGL4RsKUG0uolCCqHJsAWtsOtXiLNS6nCZkS0u15doidJ9W5AuUghEykafZTLTCG Ti6qoVfz7dpWqlCVk7jqXDPP20tl5n0ESeFH6JmBGxaZ/WvmW7uWL2JF7OsU4AKyMx ltHX5oGXiID0NF6Fo+vlmvGCAHZrcMmN5qTl20DtpTmWscAc+rZVDRM9i/TA3uOOYM iZ3ouT9PqlOjyJD4cG2PnZ9wccdiKBuQqDAjDQNDZyqDZ4k2Rebzo5C87cZCbyEN7v eYbQvktPeBll7xoHdC084/oZtj03QN5xoqPpr+WGKOuzJ2by6DT64Q9ohd1TeuZyXF 4mb01+QHpnA0A== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got Schumacher brand 1.5 amp "float" tenders at Walmart. Less than 20 bucks. Keep one on the Stag all the time. No trouble. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 19:09:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50784054B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:09:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB46F40540 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B2EFA38000227; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dsc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.73]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 81BEFE000081; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:57:04 -0500 (EST) To: ccsimonsen@gmail.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359424624; bh=lIFfV1Eug7iCqL+GWkHryrTwMcu8E9lWLFEGnWx4QqQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mQ1CbINqt5kAVJiJICiP2Y8AKeCH6WIU3vpz6gCLTL5servMTYHRYm+JEki3wWCtW M0pucJaV4Gq/Z7cSs1dnSXTtUke00i+esg9VW1HmYt3pSw/SGO+rgHHHASH3WI5xUs AYaJt6YArYjz6HLrqNkMkEYj07PEaU7RNLEqp/J0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51072c707813 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, I forgot to mention that I did renew all sprockets, tensioners, bolts, etc. when I renewed the timing chain. Incidentally, I have never heard a timing chain get as loud as mine did in a very short period of time. Not even have I heard them that loud on Stags.... I've not heard of this being a common problem on TR's, but while you're in there anyway, best to renew the lot. Tim In a message dated 28/01/2013 8:50:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ccsimonsen@gmail.com writes: I've heard chains and gears wear together. With an inch of slack, I'd make sure the gear teeth have enough depth left to do their job. The gears on my tr2 were shallow and quite sharp. I bit the bullet and replaced the set. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 19:23:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6008C42278 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:23:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAA34032A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from smithsPC (ool-45719ee9.dyn.optonline.net [69.113.158.233]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MHD006BR7I6X7R0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:13:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:13:18 -0500 From: WILLIAM SMITH To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac39xRqQuwmUTaI1T6OX1YRm8QtLgA== Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a similar encounter with Jaguar executives, my neighbor, who worked at Jaguar headquarters at the time it was owned by Ford, told me that a Ford exec asked a Jag exec why Jags were not made to be more reliable. The Jag exec responded that it was because Jag owners liked to work on their cars. Bill Smith '72 TR6 (original owner) '80 TR7 DHC (2nd owner) _____________________________________ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:59:59 -0500 From: Triumph List To: "Chip19474@aol.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Reminds me of the story of when Sir William Lyons visited the Jaguar dealer in New York during a very bad winter storm. The sales rep asked why Jaguar couldn't build a heater sufficient to keep the interior warm. Lyons reply was why is it that Americans cant learn to dress appropriately for the weather! Larry Miceli 58 TR3 73 Stag 74 TR6 Sent from my iPhone ) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 19:41:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565414245A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:41:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A8D40653 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:32:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:27:57 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.115] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:27:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 67772 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 02:27:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359426477; bh=VazdRrIry+f3PowsEQBvZdV5NmmjtdUZmvi+xql3l+k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uX73kufhx94Rr2AgyD1Bl0KmcDJ3BYM7HJmBRXdQZBHRtaXUYT2E91M4nAEX3Rm0MRzOxLI4wZXS3aGthzuyV2udPv6uzBhxydwoUSIePPiojYwe0J1A4/XYuTeDAKKfXp0d3IkuUO0LWs5xaNuWhVcAKJagvzN467dOM9d/JdQ= tyGlivbvaY0O9jvrdDebdW30vVM_I2my4R.O_Nzh.1fTOnq0ifqA5rw3jpFN 3iNmXXuw2tKiXgYGS4RSmuqUp5DyXKUAc8sBRQ54wenHHsvNvHVVgpag3XDt Z_jADtyGjww1ctSrqyvsYa_kX.v2TRQVEt50KQiLCL38PWbxmzvVMZ0BqZjR _hLLlHDAb_7ado7m598VAnlPqUZB4vARpzk1Ua0aUtoACDDTg7rUa7zEBUMw b3D_8aTvUJa6hrPdPwb0kl14LaCV5LN3gkCgqfirDPm1Kg_XCPEzHm99Ny9s _MrQOqQPOYfQVIw6sEeycTlXw4m5gEveq0B3KbF3sqry44XFRRcZFawAKsEO XM9j09VNc_AFa6KxFdhjxYs6G074LuF2.KcSrYNiywx3qsbEiIU6YV3IWQP1 .pkhJqkHenPiDZEolSmlMd0oK0PlzUEbCH8IHEqyZBoVrF3JKq9yPKfwetXt QP_NYIIWwEwqpSA-- Received: from [108.220.116.153] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:27:57 PST wqDCoMKgwqAgV2hlbiBJIHB1bGxlZCBteSBUUjMgZW5naW5lIGFwYXJ0LCBJIGZvdW5kIHRoYXQgdGhlIHRpbWluZyBjaGFpbiB0ZW5zaW9uZXIgd2FzIGdvbmUgY29tcGxldGVseSBhbmQgdGhhdCB0aGUgdGltaW5nIGNoYWluIGhhZCBhIHJlbW92YWJsZSBsaW5rIHRoYXQgd2FzIG1pc3NpbmcgaW4gb25lIHNpZGUgKHRvd2FyZHMgdGhlIGJsb2NrKS4gVGhlIHBpbiBvbiB0aGUgY2hhaW4gbGluayBmb3IgdGhlIHJlbW92YWJsZSBsaW5rIGhhZCBiZWVuIHJ1YmJpbmcgYWdhaW5zdCB0aGUgZnJvbnQgcGxhdGUBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I pulled my TR3 engine apart, I found that the timing chain tensioner was gone completely and that the timing chain had a removable link that was missing in one side (towards the block). The pin on the chain link for the removable link had been rubbing against the front plate and had cut about a.01" groove in it. I lined the broken removable link up with the oil spillway and flicked it with my finger and the link fell out and the timing chain fell off of the engine. I had thrashed that engine without mercy and it had stayed together. I found the removable link in the oil pan. Lord knows how long it had been there, maybe decades... Those little tractor engines are pretty tough. I wouldn't be too concerned with slack as long as you got the chain from somewhere respectable and put the tensioner back in when the cover goes on. -Bill in Tehachapi Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:25:51 -0600 From: "Wbeech" To: Subject: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Message-ID: <8FAD578946A54F5FB9B2ABF19A6E7F22@bboffice> charset="us-ascii" What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Thanks, Bill; ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 19:54:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7744245B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:54:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01261406B2 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:45:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:40:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.130] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:40:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:40:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359427243; bh=u1u8SAh+rbvQx9/G59yfzZJVdVbFaZG7Da9AxTRTZR8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=imJkJdTtfkqAgy3WqwfORTikAdtnEeUBOV4CP683wqdwMNo2qxy2IhUTXS71HOR6F5r0bn9n+04B7gyNGS6UUaDXbSRpV5+qAvdmC062zgnqsc9FsMhE85V3/rbZsqb72/H2I4Qd7HuSdqiH2HDpMQnzRcBJqDcWWlj2VML6cHk= GBVK6r8_IUm2pxFiQlVVwAA5HlX6I714K9Uq5sL9m5HhBTGw6S7jPAd.tR0V BYWTyqSThA7WQtUwA3gmeVvHdKc_gMKpQh6mDtr71JWd7Mho2D27s_Ccw3UR kJdHsm3u5liULenLKqJkdfInooH9lj9dwCDBjjxBTtLLDWoSPp_qPMhx5jIE EDdFs3h_HGe7VRv2tbBh3lJj1QTxJRKlQBiFxhxeRVAH2QETZqrhGkpjUq99 nRLdtLBwgMY07T_Y8KjxNItLTW4DwwU7OKLVQA6fO3qlivs3VfvZTuqYJ87c XZiZWTLfQLSU.2rRpCO7neBmpz55FDCGIc0_3p82ubW2bq.FQt2.wyH7b9RV 0OHH9uAwlehIGgumTtO124sAqH3X9WrIWfYxzEd.eFZtJK6inRcvU6b1Z1bc 26df1Zx2BJd5ZSP9Qr9QeSYaqWQZSlUHrOZvKhbZwylqRTdnaIb_TtwBuJ9j e5kG_oLRG6LuQcB660.eoKhIslVKeHIr3I.wbgtkW1BOJmYP5xgNbiNEAgMf DPFerGTbw2aOo300oHJBFjSXFag-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 02:40:43 +0000 UTC From: "Wbeech" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: <1a6a9.227262e2.3e387891@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:41:13 -0600 thread-index: Ac39wwPuiPVzlToORmiRBwaOtsPiJgABkdWg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good thought, I tried to lift the chain off the sprocket and it moved less than 1/8"(that would be about 3.175mm, Geo) so I think the sprocket is OK, but I will take a closer look at it tomorrow. Thx to all, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:48 PM To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack I've heard chains and gears wear together. With an inch of slack, I'd make sure the gear teeth have enough depth left to do their job. The gears on my tr2 were shallow and quite sharp. I bit the bullet and replaced the set. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 19:55:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9471F4006F for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:55:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A57406B2 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:42:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.44] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:42:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 02:42:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359427338; bh=bfvZsX2rAWZzLPqXieak2RCHi79TFEDhScaJB3Kgc/c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=XjIR3cJwxNoUAexx+S9QLTLJNuNaJ6PI0Xjb8r+fdXabOTbGK1S3ZeIKLktO2rqlcSybiDR23XOGNTE6DkebR6q1l5/t4R2Nl04C/fGdH9tU0Prqynd4wai1xViF6PgdfcNlLQi4x1d0+CHYEwvwc9LOYITFeXqAWSvCDNAvmDA= 5.Ail5FQwUygodS5UO6LcPCy0XbNwKtCaNBEHtLZiPY_cOHeptPqUkdB.pW3 PANyoOUgD3GBhnxtUMl5itnvmiwBF68D4Gnv5EcaMxrofdiG.iDYiGpQP3cM BlFNdvimXg7cH1GIC7rICmUndUGUj984IPbzZy1nYCZRp8G.GHc1n0KYC0jl f9vm.OYQE1YXEP323bMtd_gHYyCW6Hp.WoSo.SBfYX8yASnHR20SgPimuPIA Y5Lye_ttiuOFyhXieS_3TO42AlzwlA4v.5pnfRf3LNqKUQIZgBLfkzbLHJlJ VCObiwbTHlp4coDqCBQ.e3zkhWw7b79o0_6oyklocHS.C2iQHzgrIzowIQat NSubtlLVh5ILnICcBpRqYB5AbB9kq9fEjr_JuPMPqQvtLu0BBE.qNT96GqZz bqOF9WKbls2h_Kvfm6VTwQOoS0UwBmQehG2avwaTVBEZKZV7LhEo4Uh3D5D3 IzRO3HiDUJsKEcDKRGyfw7kj7BtYCmJSTYWyhtkMmi30HwTghGO2uM8zEvZc aY_vfG2omNh_79eyCQJNe4WhrXIJaiRKzGxR4CO5q8X1d5M24_oHkONTSLN1 5.frAds02wqIqS132uiQpCFyv.fV52tn8ujE7UifNiU8kW_wjo.TjEb2U6ZG sIPX_xOp1r74sraFrqv9eNO4L Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 18:42:18 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: , "'Alex&Janet Thomson'" References: <003801cdfdbe$00fb86b0$02f29410$@charter.net> <235460355.180210.1359424504228.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:42:49 -0600 thread-index: Ac39xQBbKIW4aydEQcGzdlIlRbgfUQABR7Ag Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have one from Harbor Freight, about 7 years old now, never a problem. Probably paid $10 for it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pethier@comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:55 PM To: Alex&Janet Thomson Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger I got Schumacher brand 1.5 amp "float" tenders at Walmart. Less than 20 bucks. Keep one on the Stag all the time. No trouble. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 21:30:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0737E42273 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:30:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 216F040698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3099 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2013 04:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host164.hostmonster.com) (74.220.207.164) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 04:25:17 -0000 d=hamengr.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To:From; bh=EKljbUJMQoOq2s6qT+X4LTdc7QFLLaf/k8bLe9unU3Q=; b=D+/evYg7F6Ed1ClZeAU9hZEP5meJfLMeJ0yLuw8vuHrL3di23gY1vzuLoFhpwU70a61RVg2Ct5IJ1rCkLiZTghHrJktxpcUx19VNWnlVhP3Uo+NaZ165k8fhn6WsQ7Q4; Received: from [68.116.119.23] (port=3380 helo=davehome) by host164.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1U02l3-0008BX-EI for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:25:17 -0700 From: "David B. Hammond" To: "'list Triumph'" References: <1a6a9.227262e2.3e387891@aol.com> <07DF77015AE44E9F8B3BD3DB4EF5230F@bboffice> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:25:21 -0800 thread-index: Ac39wwPuiPVzlToORmiRBwaOtsPiJgABkdWgAAPEMNA= Content-language: en-us {sentby:smtp auth 68.116.119.23 authed with dbh@hamengr.com} Subject: [TR] TR engine block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just pulled the head only to discover a broken stud midway on pass side. Broke about 1" below top of block. Amy ideas on getting it out? David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 21:57:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654DB40E3A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:57:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 44F4640698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21760 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2013 04:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 04:51:01 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=59913 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1U039x-0005vr-46; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:51:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:50:58 -0600 To: Geo Hahn ,Angelo Graham From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: <51071D6E.30002@execulink.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have one for my race car. Love it! I use it on street stuff occasionally too. Tony Drews At 07:52 PM 1/28/2013, Geo Hahn wrote: >Coincidentally this topic just came up on another list and someone whose >opinion I value spoke highly of this unit: > >Battery >Tender > >Haven't used it myself (live where we drive all year) but looks good. > >Geo > > >On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > > > Hello List: > > My "el cheapo" 750 mA battery charger just bit the dust. Second one in a > > few years to fail. Purchased them from our local/national auto supply store > > (Canadian Tire). > > Just wondering if there is a more reliable alternative available in the > > 750 mA range to keep the battery alive through the winter storage period. > > This winter I have left the battery in the car with the trickle charger > > connected. Maybe I should remove it and take it inside? > > Thanks for any leads or brand names. > > Angelo Graham > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 22:47:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1F742476 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:47:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.209]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC23440560 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:47:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 05:42:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.125] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 05:42:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 05:42:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359438176; bh=WxA9iCVHg3eLein4Vz1hMaZRiHNrgmxusHWiTSTmfLY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=ZqPIo2Tu54OwihRDtj47wnb495FgX/gZYyprD+v1qOZHUOCyVMUUB88aOz2RT6OPi3L0osThsHZ+ZB/nFho+wLF1q5Fqwauxn8Ap2hIMm/r0QVK+r0IEkOpR+Aa5p+/1w8YQDL+LAn69Yrs1qldkGZa0dbWhYe70d2lSBn0D7c4= RJZY45SUPg6MVgReaZm06gm5RMCa7gg8kNxUff.8OtVHRGOfUsuA9z3Sssqr AgpHsUyZkNrMCZePgCgT.G0_6O07EPA9TBfsVqXb88IEBNTa2XWgP0FZ1Wi. b.vIjC422q2.4mHie0lbgbosLv1pj9iEPgtX3AVlC8K2kSqfqGFmle4OFIW3 sb9sTX.LgjLKHnXNmRb7TQIor19JwzPm9YBltsRSjDhcad0RvD2.Wmio9NCZ RDgZHGjbe2dJtbB1tY012LwcWViirhIoh0KsW6_uKTo6Ghb1VqY8PLBlBPOK _ptVnBQP.4uxnbQ1mKjDv4mvf0lVTf.HY63Ed6EzYiXYg1txymUlePi31.MF d34mXge2QmXagRpZzUr5imHPH7Dsnz_rPCs2kXz9tL6v36r5kpQHMAldBH2X bwPfqQZlosJrFZGROptgNCqkinM4djIpHdwJ0TgqvTIcvndZcqLjQFKhfThM icL21QpS2Paxfqg71 Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 21:42:56 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'David B. Hammond'" , "'list Triumph'" References: <1a6a9.227262e2.3e387891@aol.com><07DF77015AE44E9F8B3BD3DB4EF5230F@bboffice> <005001cdfdd8$a6c84b40$f458e1c0$@com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:43:36 -0600 thread-index: Ac39wwPuiPVzlToORmiRBwaOtsPiJgABkdWgAAPEMNAAAmtGUA== Subject: Re: [TR] TR engine block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am sure someone will have a more exotic solution, but I would drill it an use an easy-out. Typically, studs are not supposed to be torqued very tightly. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David B. Hammond Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:25 PM To: 'list Triumph' Subject: [TR] TR engine block Just pulled the head only to discover a broken stud midway on pass side. Broke about 1" below top of block. Amy ideas on getting it out? David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 22:58:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A3F40E9E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:58:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55C140698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:52:55 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=l-O7ZJTX5P8A:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=BeVLzn6TqYj4cK3axIMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 33/0A-01431-B9267015; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:48:12 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'David B. Hammond'" , "'list Triumph'" Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:48:13 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac39wwPuiPVzlToORmiRBwaOtsPiJgABkdWgAAPEMNAAAs+R4A== Subject: Re: [TR] TR engine block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Just pulled the head only to discover a broken stud midway on > pass side. > Broke about 1" below top of block. Amy ideas on getting it out? I'd probably start by center-punching and drilling with a left handed drill bit. With any luck, the bit will grab and back it out. If not, you've got a hole to try your favorite screw extractor. If that fails, next step might be to try to weld a hollow bolt to the end of the stud (although I'm not sure how practical that is down that deep of a hole). Last resort, I've got an article on how to build an EDM machine -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 28 23:03:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0E842476 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:03:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D7B4006F for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:02:47 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=FI7X23vdPr4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Cml7NA_fWx8A:10 a=wq9Nf43nAAAA:20 a=khTVBZ_5tFCDatIXuX4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AO2Mz3v-7BsA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7F/FB-25887-CE467015; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:58:04 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:58:06 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac39xQBbKIW4aydEQcGzdlIlRbgfUQABR7AgAAashKA= Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have one from Harbor Freight, about 7 years old now, never > a problem. > Probably paid $10 for it. And they're frequently on sale for even less. But don't hook them up to a battery that is deeply discharged or has a shorted cell. I burned up 3 of them that way. The only current limit seems to be the winding resistance in the transformer. When I tried replacing it with a stouter transformer, the plastic box with the regulator melted before the regulator burned up. This one is more money, but should be more rugged and probably even better for your battery: http://goo.gl/hNXpI -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 01:19:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335C140E3D for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF0A40E3B for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tkDq1k0020mlR8UADkERX6; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:14:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tkEP1k00H4L5TyG8XkEQS1; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:14:24 +0000 From: Bud R To: Randall Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:14:23 -0700 References: <7F.FB.25887.CE467015@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> s=q20121106; t=1359447265; bh=NGVoLAHJVFlnxzGXksJvsR2i91v+Xlpz2LzsVGPmr24=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=c8O+P//VdvXCdNltLFN+uSoUMQSUD4zFuEI4M1t53PKJ9ta7Tw0NFyf5YqQec/Z+q cEaBFJqLCThe1fJ9xu/I4HP2Z65I7ihgJGApk3WaPSskHjLk5HqOtLqGyGmBqOAt43 8O3183DT1Td9FnvClfllF1lMiCMxMdY58jPgX6ynAmqkf97f27BOaqFIQ4GTbuxyXm fsZMpWAbzWd+Ctzr3yKOnsgp7f0C5ytXe2vF+feaCRB39J0iC/zFqnTV9NZI3rtS12 z/hKAtIkf+I19r5NuO/TCs9zeLHQYemf+Ga+XF7XEsHrplC9licbnyzXwXozEIaSng PUak/UviNFV8A== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I replaced a 12 volt battery in my RV (for towing the Spitfire race car) with two six volt batteries (to get more amp hours/storage) wired in series to get 12 volts. Question is do I charge it with a 6 volt or 12 volt charger? Maybe 12 if I hook the charger to where the pos and neg cables attach. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Randall wrote: >> I have one from Harbor Freight, about 7 years old now, never >> a problem. >> Probably paid $10 for it. > > And they're frequently on sale for even less. But don't hook them > up to a > battery that is deeply discharged or has a shorted cell. I burned > up 3 of > them that way. The only current limit seems to be the winding > resistance in > the transformer. When I tried replacing it with a stouter > transformer, the > plastic box with the regulator melted before the regulator burned up. > > This one is more money, but should be more rugged and probably even > better > for your battery: > http://goo.gl/hNXpI > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 02:19:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA02C40E45 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:19:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251EF4052A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 09:07:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.92] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 09:07:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 09:07:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 49440 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 09:07:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359450475; bh=hQTebIdIE/GSvuEPCueE7q+in1tWNNRbdcltQznTTT0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fkI0+Z2gKSkguY+3mprJFBH0HLBUomE0GhanmXCGxOr3pBsbM4YWFRTYIHtoRf4+p+ortx1Dj34F8iK8liR0F5AmX5qvHLxZOaAynRoUcDgftBpYtmwkSpjXj2dyLWIRb7WYnHQy64Xn2xLC+6IgExxC/wMDn6Wj2mlyDBoXMLQ= JyGGmrjpydAzTQ8H9H6XCYlhx2Vm7ZGF8ZBe7BzJ8Ffi05tPFaAAcENCuGfW o3gymc4YYG8OIDDBxoz1DqnLjCm__367o0XZhnWg.fsucpwmq9cCjIy._4s4 QzVklvZp.7p6P_snBEgL9qeGXygMNzKo0M89w1aRed_JxV01LklD11ACGCaL .N2ZH0Rn764Ke9FqO2vX_PNw6Yit819vFGeJdnlskXMnMJOEK4RZRSiPb8k0 XVSgUSBcC.oyBgpe.6pPEyjpWLs69xuLg9AAMHR686Hx.8qLxNk5N3TJlsgS 0QGkC_xlEUed2Lwosgmnbw2eLl64Piojm9CbvroXoapzxLkyw3VKGTRiHPxg zoJWCtiAGaxEvzbbTuNb2C83gIbGQpqoRleCCDJHRC9SeKpuaj7AVXyskk4N 0FQ38MoRWqF2O448V9EDaurL7BOF_LcOrIJ7dNs6oGgWPkzCw.DIwtUqP5vU ImIBp4CmPct.tbz58YioKW49ijQUt4hPv75hkoFsSwjRm6xCI8IrSQUA- Received: from [87.90.103.157] by web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:07:55 PST YWxtb3N0IGNhbm5vdCBiZWxpZXZlIGl0Li53aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB0aGluayBodHRwOi8vYml0Lmx5L1lBOUNtVQoKSmFuaXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: Janis Dabars To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] hi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net almost cannot believe it..what do you think http://bit.ly/YA9CmU Janis ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 02:51:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7758840EA7 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:51:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B877940E3D for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 09:46:02 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.112] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 09:46:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 09:46:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 75688 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 09:46:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359452762; bh=uorNRc8f8a5bCAmPd7Eol2ggvj6qevYmYxIHkWV3Gb4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mG3PLQmEkz2sBnF7Odn/IDEaqJ/l3Y7rOO787b9uegqwnchethKJs4lXkgT2Gr1z530YeLs9VefBxC954nt2QAXoEmp/LxLbJBRFNJPfJ7hMQ+mkiFAUpfwjAZxgxlnJbwgjhveZwhxBgfrb7xm/6Mcxa9FglDnFlpqt1RKesHw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eAm2w16ZZuzF1dwZ1jT/tReJSaRCnR8Upztkhxq5aORX9yD2nFUcwXx4PJT2EbYc41QCJsSvuqaa1FSPtM3oFUvyw+jXo6ZM4X8ITm4mHNzGJtzBs9sCP2z/+LuD04IF08T+8uxJ/QL4M7oMacueyEfMNtKZqOZtytUEO7O9zuA= ; iOoaUQ_BcQJFASwpDHMbksebZRTH87pk_pA.IYYbwuK7ACxkQL3tOPLtCzzO gOaSGE7jhoY9_wofSdfHDD_3PXPd6Vr10UrPP3ZR0FGZ2dv0fiASQFlIc0H5 7GDMvrf1waIdN__gKJd1zbPXzKhuI_gkE7loGMaCJFahae7sL4JveGir1OTX YU7PE_.VeB_Qr5PFfAGyE8fWRIYxkFKXOQGhWGbLtR2XOcq_N1xF271bZ6ur gSvi77hxVc9tXqZ2cFuKc5AV4wC4KGn1zDh24IeKu5pNv6JmI0WFAICKzpIv zABN.WvsWh_C3MfjImAv_ve4Rta._ik42HBTthhbMMkwsdeSfDgHvdo0p1YA H.sLk3FUtkEPg27kHUV5VDyUmTZD_LsnQW7eamFdOqQS01eqqNaptaQ.a4A. TJFIU Received: from [90.199.100.51] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:46:02 GMT QW5nZWxvIEdyYWhhbSB3cm90ZToKVGhpcyB3aW50ZXIgSSBoYXZlIGxlZnQgdGhlIGJhdHRlcnkgaW4gdGhlIGNhciB3aXRoIHRoZSB0cmlja2xlIGNoYXJnZXIgY29ubmVjdGVkLiBNYXliZSBJIHNob3VsZCByZW1vdmUgaXQgYW5kIHRha2UgaXQgaW5zaWRlPwoKSSBoZXNpdGF0ZSB0byBicm9hZGNhc3QgdGhlIGdyZWF0IG1pc2ZvcnR1bmVzIG9mIG90aGVycyBidXQgSSB0aGluayB0aGVyZSBtYXkgYmUgc29tZSBsaXN0ZXJzIHdobyBrbm93IG9mIER1bmNhbiBhbmQgU2hlaWxhIFdvb2QgZnJvbSBSZWQgUmkBMAEBAQE- References: <51071D6E.30002@execulink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:46:02 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Angelo Graham , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo Graham wrote: This winter I have left the battery in the car with the trickle charger connected. Maybe I should remove it and take it inside? I hesitate to broadcast the great misfortunes of others but I think there may be some listers who know of Duncan and Sheila Wood from Red River Triumph in Texas? Stories change in the telling but its my understanding that just before Christmas, Duncan left the battery in his 1935 Gloria on a trickle charge in his garage and in his absence the charger shorted out and delivered full mains power to the battery. The tragic result was their house was effectively burned to the ground, while their truly gorgeous Gloria, Stag and a recently acquired Dolomite became scrap metal. Historically, I've used a mains trickle charger keeping my trailer home leisure battery (a deep cycle 120amp) in tip top order over the winter and done it in my workroom that's attached to the house. Two years ago, it failed and I bought a portable solar panel we now keep in the trailer home when we locate it in places where there is no mains hook-up. It more than keeps up with discharges from lighting, radio/CD and water pumps and while it cost rather more than a mains charger, it really keeps the battery recharged during the day and we can fully 'indulge ourselves' in electrical services while away from mains sources. So battery and solar panel come home in the close season and over to our 'home on wheels' when the weather is better. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 03:19:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119F842274 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:19:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A45940E41 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id e21so150247vbm.20 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:12:45 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ymskWT6g/Ergs+4cKQRD/xsYCCjvXY70UqBP5UaUce4=; b=v/cqc7QPCO2atDZOHVLDsT5Dhdft6zCkan4pr8GjzLXaoF1pHGBG2R6bS2jdtQQbzZ 6VUu0sQf8rJ+dXJbCLQfc5tWjBaRND20ZkqS0nucnvcDXWSCQSHJLlf6nOvEhapMo1rZ VxWegEUrVzvrX31xtJZGkm87RMfjjYkX9Sa9Qd9MKRfxSgLvMqAcX6Vziw4ftmrp+68A V71447bzVV8TTh8aBIZ5dS6mYl3/wX/s3VKNlMR+TkCAAI+nu6k5Wg/38zt8LkZJDkTS LCpeHABb58lTz+zgpIavV9SxVhfrIYy21xEucGeLGa0FZikvEPEoGDJd+0FEJ4/ziIMG k7dg== fr3mr412318vcb.6.1359454365554; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.9 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:12:45 -0800 (PST) References: <51071D6E.30002@execulink.com> <1359452762.43406.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:12:45 -0700 From: Jody Kerr To: John Macartney Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I ha a pair of the Battery Tender brand of chargers. I use one to keep the charge on my Mum's Spitfire and another to keep our golf cart in Mexico charged. They've always worked brilliantly. It has even dealt with the somewhat questionable electricity delivery in Mexico which spikes as often as it fails. Jody -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 04:07:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92A14247F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:07:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9DA40527 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130129110228.HSMH10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:02:28 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id tn2U1k00C3enFnk05n2U1n; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:02:28 -0500 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=FI7X23vdPr4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Cml7NA_fWx8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=wq9Nf43nAAAA:20 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=tu_Oh4WTx258SAkYm3IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=AO2Mz3v-7BsA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Bud R'" , "'Randall'" References: <7F.FB.25887.CE467015@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <19346946-9A11-46D8-BDF0-291EAA5CC779@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:02:27 -0500 Thread-Index: AQDpXQYta0HSFkP4QRZYMb4vx75GDQNA3mRimg9Y4zA= Content-language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When using two sixes in series, it's extremely important to have identically sized batteries so they charge evenly from the regular vehicle charging system. When using a plug in charger, you can use the 6V setting and do each one individually or set it to 12V and charge them as a single unit ( which is what your alternator is doing anyways). Since every battery is made of groups of 2V cells, you are really charging 6 cells in series on a single battery, 12V system. When charging the batteries individually, you should monitor battery voltage or specific gravity (if you can open the cells) so as to balance the degree of charge in each battery. I have had better luck with using a pair of 12V batteries in parallel for added amperage capability on tractors. In fact, I converted two of my row-crop Deeres to this type of a setup from the original factory two-sixes-in-series system. They seem to last longer and big 6V batteries get pretty expensive. A group 4 6V is about $160 from a Deere dealer while group 31 12V (950 CCA) is about 100 bucks from a truck shop. But, that's getting away from your question. Charging your batteries individually at 6V and using a voltmeter for the first time will probably show you if the batteries are balanced. If they are, after that you could use the 12V setting and charge them as a single unit. I assume the vehicle is negative ground. In that case, black, negative charger cable to the chassis and red, positive cable to the starter insulated circuit. The zero degree weather in Connecticut last week was a good test of starter systems. But not as severe as places like upper New York state or places like that! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud R Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:14 AM To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger I replaced a 12 volt battery in my RV (for towing the Spitfire race car) with two six volt batteries (to get more amp hours/storage) wired in series to get 12 volts. Question is do I charge it with a 6 volt or 12 volt charger? Maybe 12 if I hook the charger to where the pos and neg cables attach. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Randall wrote: >> I have one from Harbor Freight, about 7 years old now, never a >> problem. >> Probably paid $10 for it. > > And they're frequently on sale for even less. But don't hook them up > to a battery that is deeply discharged or has a shorted cell. I > burned up 3 of them that way. The only current limit seems to be the > winding resistance in the transformer. When I tried replacing it with > a stouter transformer, the plastic box with the regulator melted > before the regulator burned up. > > This one is more money, but should be more rugged and probably even > better for your battery: > http://goo.gl/hNXpI > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 06:24:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF4D4247A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:24:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728154069B for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:15:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D360E1C00014C for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 94812E000081; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:10:59 -0500 (EST) To: Chip19474@aol.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359465060; bh=zfxVGYr/HhI9jM23K+N3hKR9EnOmPMyZywMSlCnIlgo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nTAl6Djr4K3TGjTRfxjo6JSmLT+Hlr5VMzZUhxmGSv55vBVuWjqDFsHmLoc8qk9BL nSds/POGHL+xN+DwhGhuArdmCrZpWCCJehcKNCLL3mu566uULSOOqor6nGmoGCjyuB 544UkM2+ygmo9g0CB4+1472g0Rwzh7EVP+oGofis= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c5107ca645b48 Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph:) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Back in those days the batteries were much more tolerant of deeper discharges. But since then there has been a CCA arms race where battery manufacturers tout huge numbers for Cold Cranking Amps such as 650 CCA and consumers have responded positively. Nevermind that that is about 200 or 300% more than what is required. (More, actually since the spec is for a 10 second cranking period and any modern car that doesn't start after two seconds isn't going to start.) To get all those CCA's the battery manufacturers have to make more plate area and to keep the battery from getting much heavier (and more expensive) they have resorted to making the plates thinner. Thinner plates means a smaller amount of discharge can leave holes in the plates (reducing plate area) which do not readily grow back upon recharge. But, no problem. All cars nowadays have high capacity alternators which can supply all the cars electrical requirements under all conditions (provided the engine is running). The upshot is that given the recent trend in battery design fitting an alternator to a TR that is driven frequently or daily is not so much a luxury as it is a necessary accommodation of modern battery technology. Or you can get a deep discharge marine battery. Or the Optima YellowTop(R)* battery. (*NFI) Dave In a message dated 1/28/2013 8:49:52 AM Central Standard Time, Chip19474@aol.com writes: > "The heater blower is only to augment the airflow through the car in > difficult conditions. Do not use it unnecessarily, especially at speed > when it > is not required. Remember that in winter conditions with the lights on > and > other accessories in use, the current load will be considerable. In cold > > weather.....if there is too great a load.....the generator may fail to > keep > the battery fully charged" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 06:39:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9A942483 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:39:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746D94032A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id gm6so706095lbb.26 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:28:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=CIdYNLSEOk0rh9S2jX3kRS8aLfsE3SimB7q2pTLR7eE=; b=0eohHtZssqI7xhzfYJIOACrKApYrUiU3HRLoUZgLLQRBrZZxilKcH4mFWrkBjupYeX LaXaFwNBhLBOoH2o18NyptA2PI/zMslmsy1EbNb0rOkKFI3aXKpPfSBe2tQOE7V+qfgM OkLiL+0B5EUuaRhmgIXTUMLi0+2q2bsxboBy4wgnJqnnHWUk2lYJHMbWBNp9rqwSZoJE +2xUOzZZ1ZyukEIDg49cpio7T/2N+eiQuJRQkQG4feI7qVnUrQSJ5ORDFaOs81s2r6pj uuNizzsPC1Gb+6bU3DZquB7QoJiOtIRdktL7V+rnoGXaXOnJxUgEsl2aHWH5gf6HhW73 OCjQ== sl7mr1150530lab.23.1359466099138; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:28:19 -0800 (PST) References: <1a6a9.227262e2.3e387891@aol.com> <07DF77015AE44E9F8B3BD3DB4EF5230F@bboffice> <005001cdfdd8$a6c84b40$f458e1c0$@com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:28:19 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "David B. Hammond" Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR engine block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:25 PM, David B. Hammond wrote: > Just pulled the head only to discover a broken stud midway on pass side. > If you haven't already, I would be soaking that guy with PBlaster. Hopefully it is not in there real tight. I once had one break off but when I reinserted the jagged broken piece it was able to engage its mate and by pressing down I was able to thread it out. I don't expect to get that lucky twice in one lifetime. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 07:26:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022464249A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:26:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1192C40698 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:25:57 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=FI7X23vdPr4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Cml7NA_fWx8A:10 a=Hm0sUS0PRYN60Trf1gAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E9/17-01431-8DAD7015; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:21:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Bud R'" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:21:15 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac39+KelMIVRK6cpQcy+TuNgartZsQAMGaww Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I replaced a 12 volt battery in my RV (for towing the > Spitfire race car) with two six volt batteries (to get more > amp hours/storage) wired in series to get 12 volts. Question > is do I charge it with a 6 volt or 12 volt charger? Maybe 12 > if I hook the charger to where the pos and neg cables attach. My choice would be to leave them connected in series and use a smart 12v charger. Lots less hassle than trying to charge each one individually and equally; or reconnecting in parallel (so you can charge both at once at 6v). There may be some advantage to using two 6v chargers (which would allow leaving the batteries connected in series), but not enough to worry about IMO. As a side note, my old Winnebago had an AC charger built into the motorhome, such that it would charge the 'camping' batteries when the coach was plugged in. But it was a 'dumb' charger and I blamed it for shortening the battery life. Likely the newer ones are better, but if you leave it plugged in for long periods of time, you might want to look into that. And if your RV already has a smart charger, maybe just use that. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 07:56:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E82842499 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:56:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BDD422A0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5A3301C000189 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D58DBE000088 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:45:35 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359470737; bh=+F3aMdCG7MCHCeAm43sewrIuwb72cs21E7cugM/3f9I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L5tlv3hGPV64l3PhKn9nlPBZpM3Rarwe7BHVkPgto4PcXU18DGlEef7Hg4MdeILT/ quJkZ3gb3XjXiRxJkP/d1fVl8a0BkJ7juQeM+2HhTxZ+8zNjU5lfFkpkqIFHHQ+WjP RtdnRFrmsJ6M3A7FgoKPNBe976aNg8yuUFKFFRIA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095107e0906bab Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Presuming that the two batteries are evenly loaded, and that means you don't have any 6 volt loads that will deplete the charge on one battery faster then on the other, you will be just fine with a 12 volt charger. Just connect the positive lead to where the car's wiring hooks up and the negative to chassis. The only connection to the other two terminals is the jumper cable between them. Sure it would be better to have two six volt chargers but where do you get those? They are available but for much more $$$. In a perfect world you would use 6 chargers, one for each cell - provided you had access to the terminals. But that is way over the top. Dave In a message dated 1/29/2013 2:14:37 AM Central Standard Time, levilevi@comcast.net writes: > I replaced a 12 volt battery in my RV (for towing the Spitfire race > car) with two six volt batteries (to get more amp hours/storage) wired > in series to get 12 volts. Question is do I charge it with a 6 volt > or 12 volt charger? Maybe 12 if I hook the charger to where the pos > and neg cables attach. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 07:57:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755A6424AB for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:57:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964AD4053F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170132pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MHE001OU6NAA7W0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:52:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from 152.75.13.70 ([152.75.13.70]) by vznit170132 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:52:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:52:22 -0600 (CST) From: moira.secrest@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Flywheel, Clutch Q's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 08:11:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB8D424AD for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:11:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAAB40695 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:10:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C109D38000071 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0A36AE000092 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:06:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:06:01 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359471962; bh=Ld/jzZHvULkC/lv+ejAFTT8wcHp8Wdikqpoqiz6adDk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HQs8jup7az2xMo71qB/oO712tcBBHtkED+oc+NzqdoR9MXKXVk2g3+dl89ADKam1m 4pKjCfCcGRXNqx+eNBg61MWFv/bqyCwsBhkvKPkSZmgXCKcwQk+j0NTBEwZGPMPGWN DoHlqIqQQTg4DGslqHCHfQwk3XMyoCx/sOndKy8Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5107e55a28f3 Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Actually, saying it is extremely important is a bit of hyperbole, especially in a cranking application where the level of discharge is not very deep. More important if you will be discharging deeply as in a wheel chair, electric vehicle situation or a situation where you are powering accessories when the engine is not running. Since this is an RV the last might be the case. (Of course, if that is the case I suggest two 12 volt batteries with an isolator so that only one battery is used to power the devices saving the other to start the engine regardless. I also recommend a deep discharge model for the battery powering the accessories and a cranking battery for starting.) What IS important is to load the batteries equally. That means NO! 6V loads that draw off only one battery. I agree that two 12 volt batteries would probably be a better option. MGB's were originally equipped with two six volt batteries but many owners have converted to two 12 volt batteries in parallel. Or just one 12 volt battery. Lead acid batteries are pretty robust and tolerate the occasional overcharge without too much detriment so a one time charge upon initial installation where the two batteries are not charged to an equal state will be fine provided one isn't completely dead. Dave In a message dated 1/29/2013 5:02:36 AM Central Standard Time, aljlthomson@charter.net writes: > When using two sixes in series, it's extremely important to have > identically > sized batteries so they charge evenly from the regular vehicle charging > system. When using a plug in charger, you can use the 6V setting and do > each > one individually or set it to 12V and charge them as a single unit ( which > is what your alternator is doing anyways). Since every battery is made of > groups of 2V cells, you are really charging 6 cells in series on a single > battery, 12V system. When charging the batteries individually, you should > monitor battery voltage or specific gravity (if you can open the cells) so > as to balance the degree of charge in each battery. > > I have had better luck with using a pair of 12V batteries in parallel for > added amperage capability on tractors. In fact, I converted two of my > row-crop Deeres to this type of a setup from the original factory > two-sixes-in-series system. They seem to last longer and big 6V batteries > get pretty expensive. A group 4 6V is about $160 from a Deere dealer while > group 31 12V (950 CCA) is about 100 bucks from a truck shop. But, that's > getting away from your question. > > Charging your batteries individually at 6V and using a voltmeter for the > first time will probably show you if the batteries are balanced. If they > are, after that you could use the 12V setting and charge them as a single > unit. I assume the vehicle is negative ground. In that case, black, > negative charger cable to the chassis and red, positive cable to the > starter > insulated circuit. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 08:38:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D99F4249E for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:38:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7438B40E5E for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:32:23 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=rP99mGa7uEoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=CDyTWNBR8dYA:10 a=qiXX5GrUAAAA:8 a=TLykGf3BVhlk28wOoYsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=V7ilOhZ-igcA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55009] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 20/BB-01431-A6AE7015; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:27:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Wbeech'" , Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:27:41 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac39rs6x9W5H/44vTsiQ7h8bdhPNzQAhWqgw Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) > timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can > measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Seems high to me, but that's not the way I was taught to judge timing chain condition. Remove the chain from the sprockets and try to flex it sideways in your fingers. If it will flex more than 1/4" or so, replace it. If it is badly worn, then you should replace the sprockets as well. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 09:12:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2C424C4 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:12:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AD3B40645 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 16:06:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.202] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 16:06:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 16:06:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359475571; bh=v0CSqTmdgLnqgRFE3Sd2JpMBPt0Y2WjnxgI0xqMPP04=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=SPWf/qYCVq/ZCoZQ+qDRzzZaiX88D1pgbIKCiTAM7rTR9cWTU2aqsx3uHt39LiLa8lnVmZr+Bs6HmiP9A+OlscjEL9E3tyr/pi+xTZfNDPjzdjBu7AZo2pUm0zFWLukmRwyAxc68YvfruyIG1YITWarmmg+V0wXKvg67TOxbIcA= ffymfzVmNegS9pu6B7lPbPrxhMggTaGe7djYpyuV08V_E0boOjgF5fOAu2B. _Oe9X1rSQMPKbmMcFjj76Vs70ybPi185eH.sLBFF4upsjZv1GtzEC.mvVaNE ze_JB9A4WeSTma2N1Dxq2bClhUbAozFVb8pljdoej_7.9IDzTIioc_5C1YJQ Ry6utNF7juh.CzHd9hXuEebAOto8Har_HJ_Q5cz6_VWNx4MjGg599VyPEuse Y1w.8mqolwNqXcY3SoiiEKfjKs_M0XQfcygTbEh9mkytTdB2b2M4qJRoGoBJ 77PxQug3zyTzFrADME5CvwDYoi.qfuhE_zwCOgpRvP5rnXuwB9Bl4GYLQnjV Y9sNQCHn_ah3PzDxtKeJ1rLZgpMdBEkfEpH1ctidBZbvoUVMNeNYTQku4gH. Yc3E4YKisfh4okl7hheAb0RpJ.MET4YXowgt5piPm5Dn3ri2xNU9csX.MDZc EolRI_hY2iWY6TVAm Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 08:06:11 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Geo Hahn'" , "'David B. Hammond'" References: <1a6a9.227262e2.3e387891@aol.com><07DF77015AE44E9F8B3BD3DB4EF5230F@bboffice><005001cdfdd8$a6c84b40$f458e1c0$@com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:06:07 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3+JV/pNZV0u1A4Tme+yb9TK2lWmAAFH0ew Cc: 'list Triumph' Subject: Re: [TR] TR engine block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Or, given the latest study from The List, 50/50 solution of acetone & ATF. B -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:28 AM To: David B. Hammond Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR engine block On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:25 PM, David B. Hammond wrote: > Just pulled the head only to discover a broken stud midway on pass side. > If you haven't already, I would be soaking that guy with PBlaster. Hopefully it is not in there real tight. I once had one break off but when I reinserted the jagged broken piece it was able to engage its mate and by pressing down I was able to thread it out. I don't expect to get that lucky twice in one lifetime. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 09:16:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE3C424A8 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:16:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F7940E5E for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tpAE1k0051zF43QA1sBUZi; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:11:28 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tsBU1k00K2xZMJ48ksBU5P; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:11:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:11:28 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1359475888; bh=OUndbkvva2zRqeLkLpO1iLfjToL+TAQjW67QQsP+VDc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UA6iUQBGYicXINRV9AP8rKQNFZUrWg8ex8549vPkDGsriXfJqs48jADMYVKwuZtvL oDZ/HrAUGqrZu7m6dECMFKWsU30oLbkDl4QP87KV7F9pS9xnwhkt42hu+cV2x5xR9g NifOjogAon/oYFM1fMTgI1F6G5Y0djAr7XZB2g8WoUcDaM9x11Y8AhPN04bLu8qbhY gHD0BbFoy4peJ2ikyfUj0hnfSmq+WcBDB8/1FP3l1D5XSpLTCR0GrLZ9dBNaqEueDR 6848E5HrY9OBaeCGUPOC8HzSBbqyJMgH4xm7W5MXnR4uZSxq2Uyrt5bfvN7hQhOkH5 fzxMKWayl8ndA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think that your standard timing chain from our main British suppliers are around $15 and an improved quality chain is around $45. Either choice is a no-brainer if you are that far into a motor. Just replace the thing, don't even look at the old one. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "Wbeech" , triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:27:41 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B timing chain slack > What is an acceptable amount of slack in the TR3B (TCF) > timing chain? With all the slack on the tensioner side I can > measure 25mm of play. Is this OK? Seems high to me, but that's not the way I was taught to judge timing chain condition. Remove the chain from the sprockets and try to flex it sideways in your fingers. If it will flex more than 1/4" or so, replace it. If it is badly worn, then you should replace the sprockets as well. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 09:43:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E7040E41 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:43:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0BD40E3B for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:35:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 16:31:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.203] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 16:31:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 16:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 34368 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 16:31:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359477068; bh=eVB+GIGR0zxGVcbtcCvUJ3fjTklU3U6mWNoSMiCiW5c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bky5SXHVWhT2ZLIbx3LrEgNgoM8W3vbqdiqqtK4weOlA2T1YVN4LwpQ2im86rUOftT+HjmfvhT2A/x0iuRe+PXmRkKzbqUglAbnvVUA3Hn1wZ4L4GKtGtPKD8pYk5FLEr/lWZ3HbxXQttXMpgmxnfqkCiBVCRifP4qMrTw9gmck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6wPLv86zinau17iHGt5ftzjN+hE6+FhZxZglfcYb7R+5fLOnrMSBdTWkRMChEbJALmdePIhcvd5wjguTcw+YyRrzTj6y+nfPZ+UVbYgB2rBfwzwC7/icQV//f3tScX4VKB8BpVn0XxXICj5/kxPF3PKwV1u0EYpCJ8mKyY/uxig= ; Y0osLU5QxsNK8UcrHJkR.tBb0QA_fPlDJP1Q8TeUaRyxZ2jq6t6IcSQfXUXG nR69RaJlzySBMqYE4k65PswtEz8b.yRyDU8COomVgtXltabaqah4_fQvo7iY zBKrYvJEPcLcNTkc_xDK9FzTOBH7kCYeL4KBeW3a8kvj2lrtsvwK3q1mZfI6 aHgmfbqj3wUVJ8zJPTMZbKvZgI4ducIODSkpMvgOFHi.LOsL4fFmrnWKNFeD Tm4KNpoZ_HJCk_2P0zralVT3vTSCmpQMKcar8nygMKNuApnj_yThuUgUTLJX wTjyeqh4iZpvvraI.uKLaAYC8qNXzhCbBKXYojrq5PUFGIXg8ygIgjlWervC hXv5qFF7cFUKxAPpZobA7zQoDCnoq7XrzcK4TNh8o9ftnLts7xtsSYxwBO6w 2RaIeHtQtWJG5osnIdWEvjxkA_jIaFDaVKNBEEtatX8CdznKSBI_jdQ-- Received: from [72.45.201.74] by web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:31:08 PST SGkgTGlzdCEKV2VsbCBJJ20gc29ycnkgdGhhdCBJIGhhdmVuJ3QgYmVlbiBrZWVwaW5nIHVwIG9uIG15IGJhY2stbG9nIG9mIERpZ2VzdCBSZWFkaW5ncywgYnV0IEknbSBiYWNrIHRvIGhhdmluZyB0byBnbyAocGVkZGxlKSB0byB0aGUgbGlicmFyeSAoMTBtaWxlcyBlYWNoIHdheS4gSSBkbyBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIHRoYXQgQnJpdGlzaCBnZW50LiB0aGF0IG1hZGUgdGhlIHN0YXRlbWVudCBhYm91dCB3aHkgQW1lcmljYW5zIGNhbid0IGRyZXNzIHJpZ2h0IGZvciB0aGUgd2VhdGhlci4gQWZ0ZXIgYWxsIEkgd2EBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:31:08 -0800 (PST) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! Well I'm sorry that I haven't been keeping up on my back-log of Digest Readings, but I'm back to having to go (peddle) to the library (10miles each way. I do agree with that British gent. that made the statement about why Americans can't dress right for the weather. After all I was out peddling my bicycle in 12^F weather going into ah 20+ MPH head wind. YES! It was cold & tough peddling, but I really enjoyed it when I had the wind at my back. Avg. speed going into the wind= 10MPH, but with the wind at my back, It jumped to 16MPH. NO heater, just heavy layered clothing & non-stop peddling to generate body heat. I'm really looking forward to tomorrow, because it's suppose to get up to 60^F, but rain. Well, like the Rolling Stones said, "You can't always get what you want, but if you try REAL hard, You'll get what you need!" Keep working on your TRIUMPHS so you can get out & DRIVE! 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After using these for a year, I gave away my other chargers. These aren't the cheapest, but they replace trickle chargers, regular chargers, they de-sulfate, can restore dead/weak batteries, won't over-charge, blah, blah, blah... http://www.amazon.com/XC100-P-Battery-Maintenance-Charger-Desulfator/dp/B000O707IO I use them on my motorcycles, cars, trucks, etc. As we speak, I have four vehicles "trickle charging/de-sulfating. The original factory Delco "green eye" battery in my '03 GMC lasted 9.5 years with occasional "trickle charging" from one of these units. The claim is that most batteries die an early death from the plates being covered with sulfate crystals. These charger "pulse" the batteries while they charge and even when they are not charging to reduce the size of the crystals. I believe in the technology here and in the chargers, and endorse them 100%. best, doug ____________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Triumph TR6 '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 10:44:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FB94259E for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:44:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE9DF424D2 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 17:34:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 17:34:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 17:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1402 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 17:34:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359480843; bh=B14qHdaYmMn+ydKaC7fZCGst+j1FZdR49hPvAzBad9g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HYLjGWiYo3/xUX4Jy3xr6RIP+4vjKwtiBGdOI3ycPz/nVgDEDwakJERcaQ7Pvxz1Q//a7qJ7kwzy+eeFqjv+ZRb6awelLbNIprTlFZ6Wen3XWruU+0X6ASZ8VtsbmAvFRMGHgJaRUryzBM9HOuMRTdFxxpfaQhlRNCIhd2N/PRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ncq4dN0GhFzS/s9fOCEMuhcN9aZjk+UN9fL4JX7Rx6w4e3uCNFJ7pqICaBrjJcAryypnT29dnhMOqSFnU4OCBIaUQFK/PWbNVGlut+UbpTLHmlkja4FAq0JCfA/nH9XSo/4GTQd/nirPfoIDjshh9ojHS0+3ikzcRXUZ7B3PlRo= ; m0ISmJF4Q8izc.cwFHMAKSQTynnucC3GyFTzFFEhATWXlWDz94kUOvVbdMeN LnBFZSm4GOJVFfXx5Re3ryRqcFNwVyBN6nbUlNbbeC0oxRJxrJJc723qjG.x F_LoziVjQmuNaY8mp09Y5tp6nEHtqmu7mkPWosuzjvjLRBdC6ZVNUzpqA_eO tfY1dfNYCgdlBBu3zbhzVfdTuk3TCYwCZ6UA3RRGPos.VYBGWVB.uSLX.NVR q1INwIO06U7uShFAgC0QMyxgR42qdzrg4FzRUqV1e_A0DHUI92sfPBmdEOjy oRN1KAUF7RyVoxz02vH6GAtATTMdemsaVrEGkGlTi8i9DkzhZdXOxZCOIp2J xcXDAvWAJ6L7mpv1dDWepB3Pkj3owC8NphRMQbNt1Z2qVJyLzhRI8Bf_45vK .9HvozaSMXGSnkc.IH6WNkr7VxzyIb5Y.8Id6qyCmTgZAbVo6CHTgVjxK0ZU yyelVLTF.0y5qAUTD8pRSKw1H2sQgqznDEJMs8g-- Received: from [80.78.79.165] by web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:34:02 PST aGF2ZSBhIGxvb2sgYXQgdGhpcyBodHRwOi8vYml0Lmx5L1V6Um05dgoKQ29zbW8BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: Cosmo Kramer To: Digest Subject: [TR] Digest hi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net have a look at this http://bit.ly/UzRm9v Cosmo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 10:46:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F51C425AC for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:46:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84524257C for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:44:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hn17so2735552wib.0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:39:30 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=o+58reM5OdtKx6NwViVW5A2P9VC1n6D17Fz214J+VZc=; b=ZTNvBulfh+Yzyg2KecxS7XrGt7+dqp66XkSAfLmvOho/TU3VlYa9e8VG9EARu3Z2i8 SIvrOeZ+gvMIrafEUdOqNHSsyfl4o3IogJgyIdNJMFh2GSJX1XvfEtGCS7sVXDyOZG/d 3FbHTFDEtK4w3TM1oNAxAA10DwK1CL7LqEVUhqlp4XuFF81RFp3+N/3Cob5idpStiB+d /9c8cSrbkMFrsru4jnaaN8dCdiboWtNeNnoN1cwhfJEJ9Y5aMmVkVw0r+sGNLrMoggrb LV+1nEt6wy2aerbFY7s/ZL29I+MP/9ECAphKrmkGdlh8NGZxKmzVujEENdRfVB3XnzkS /kPw== r2mr3823797wia.28.1359481170724; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.153.169 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:39:30 -0800 (PST) References: <1359477068.27485.YahooMailNeo@web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:39:30 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Cosmo Kramer Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Winter Warning From Standard Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good for you, Cosmo! A few falls on black ice have left me gunshy and I rarely go out on the bike below freezing these days. I was in central Finland a weekend ago where the temperature was -28C (-18F). There were a number of folks out riding their bikes commuting, including kids and old folks. The Finns are tough people... And they make good studded tires. Maybe I should bring home a couple of souvenirs sometime. This image was taken of an older gentleman around town a day or later when the temperature was -10C (+14F). They plow, and grit, but don't salt in most of Finland. http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-HhxFf8b/0/XL/i-HhxFf8b-XL.jpg I was about five hours easy driving from the Arctic Circle. I thought about finding a car to borrow and hitting the road. Next time... Don On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > > Hi List! > Well I'm sorry that I haven't been keeping up on my back-log of > Digest Readings, but I'm back to having to go (peddle) to the library (10miles > each way. I do agree with that British gent. that made the statement about why > Americans can't dress right for the weather. After all I was out peddling my > bicycle in 12^F weather going into ah 20+ MPH head wind. YES! It was cold & > tough peddling, but I really enjoyed it when I had the wind at my back. Avg. > speed going into the wind= 10MPH, but with the wind at my back, It jumped to > 16MPH. NO heater, just heavy layered clothing & non-stop peddling to generate > body heat. I'm really looking forward to tomorrow, because it's suppose to get > up to 60^F, but rain. Well, like the Rolling Stones said, "You can't always > get what you want, but if you try REAL hard, You'll get what you need!" > > Keep > working on your TRIUMPHS so you can get out & DRIVE! > Now, back to my readings. > -Cosmo Kramer > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 10:49:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F63425A8 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:49:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98029424D0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:49:43 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=l-O7ZJTX5P8A:10 a=r0tiNfFWYlrsJ-Pany4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FF/6D-25866-99A08015; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:44:58 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'list Triumph'" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:45:00 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3+JV/pNZV0u1A4Tme+yb9TK2lWmAAFH0ewAANOLvA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR engine block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Or, given the latest study from The List, 50/50 solution of > acetone & ATF. Not latest or from the list, just what someone else wrote up for a magazine about 5 years ago. And the acetone/ATF mixture (aka "weasel pee") will separate in a matter of hours, making it useless for extended soaking. The "scientific" study didn't even look at whether it made the difference between getting something apart and destroying it; only how easy it was to turn a bolt that would have turned anyway. My interest runs more towards turning something that would twist off otherwise. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 11:15:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F332425BF for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:15:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F5A42577 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id ge1so1096701lbb.1 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:07:37 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ta7EpWNiOb2pfhw8BhuWXiHrBYYcTwg2dilrnnHQ2aM=; b=dijIAxs/jcNmYTKHrTfXEWPeuPZmY1P/VzA18jLMyOTBDVYAO13GVQBC76NrdLkWAt IBhrI9dSvu1N1j2FfiOE2bAs9FvFW2SPJ18Rif+uxHaOcK+RpPTh+L8OHe7mUxDkm+rW VKrZ4ZpTTrpHCzl0IMavv6uONlQe6eZDftYlCzA0ryYpmVcWg+/pep5Hbv3780a1F9cX QXTjWG2j9cpqw/AZJigoLb5a9/8Jg455cyiyOBDxePJzCJA7pHWTvuuiZjWTC9Zzcf2H nPRDeVejorcq7WH3s2qxpo3QulUIMFpRSp+P2DPvajWI3+bSC3OTu6oFaLlelTPgF/rU 2Q2A== b13mr852370lbo.8.1359482856851; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:07:36 -0800 (PST) References: <1359480842.38864.androidMobile@web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:07:36 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Cosmo Kramer Cc: Digest Subject: Re: [TR] Digest hi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I assume everyone knows better than to click on links that are offered in this fashion. We've had two such posts just today so I thought I'd remind folks to use caution. They may actually be legitimate but it pays to be wary as email accounts are often hacked/hijacked. Geo PS (I messed with the link below so it won't work at all). On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > have a look at this http://bit.ly****/UzRm9v > > Cosmo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:07:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B06427BA for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:07:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E164044C for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (wm6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.12]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MHE00DC3I78R1W0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [50.90.29.168] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:01:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: dennis culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [TR] Battery Tenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A few years ago I attended a tour of Jim Taylor's car collection in upstate NY. Every car in the collection (100+) was registered, insured and ready to run thanks to dozens and dozens of Battery Tenders lining the floor between the rows of cars. A very impressive collection, by the way - lots of British cars (Aston Martins, Healeys, a few Triumhs and MGs) along with every other type of car you can imagine including a "barn find" Cobra that was actually built into somebody's house! Dennis Culligan / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:32:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE80B425A6 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:32:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FEA4258C for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 19:22:53 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.232] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 19:22:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 19:22:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10733 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 19:22:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359487373; bh=EHDK5EGac+bFEorfFQMJSNPvS53/mbTEPvK04Tnkhks=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0V2QgnPGFFWlU25HrfCFsHikUnb0jj6jJC4okjx9ujW8n0AmaUll68luCtpZqTo7U3nV6PwDZGZ42paAT82ibKZo4x5iG4MBItmwiHl8EU2rTdRzgTb9Mn45g6pRtCjCmVIIFdOkM/FKtP1uLW3sSywy7k0/hocvZp3aUUBIjuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FlLxKAbVeo/UBmxZMNdLLxccXsHQrBFKtVoFLJXVptC6G8XrSkZHADee1kumiuECMnJYmcafx0akB7KeltnuX8LuHNkoOZVuBbHOqCqaclgbli2wE99X99MG40couqKMsjqpLtQYNPCI/xWthBuJMpLm0UVYgfKuOvRxu4ftBUE= ; Ojza_qDia4oJbEbBRjmmmaDeJEdO2wyXLRiBcAVzTYPl_sw0zQ2uCf3.TL7J NhVCGY_WP5.se45KrBZnUVSTKw66a6YxBWzCoTiIibf4QSxG65BJ8Jq8._tb LFYWyP2hvai8s3Vb1Yt5xR7IcyYtwJaS6rpQH9ssvkaePpKGSnCaYP9mI1Dp dedL3Xm5jB5v.UwXmahB8XSOWv1MAzOEG8a8h6tVT.qAaujR22his9TpFWDZ A9fPxgh5hpVC5AWbfQY2nf1irehI7.eXzxbis70e.YgbB04_lbCcTArIYX58 BmwOnK7fQOVRxtfUgRIuPE6lzC8v9Lqs.iVPVDyLL5n_c7mMd6O75fyKX1g7 yHX2rZWwgQnIcbFPDvqlF_G0gUN6ZpVT7s1LNyOHymoansjPyxOORlWlD.bo T3WEbfn64zgoBK8hqZs33AbC0BaNVn9wuK07ICUctHoeTqUra61P2mOep.ep .DrJxHTuGVTH9kZrCDacKHlIeg_Xu2STtAvQJ9zXXqtZe9wpdB79SOtk..VO n.3VX6CvtlGibpfBkpwQsoTPWn.gsr8o8d7dE0UUrzaQwg_27khYSnPTL1bs dFpl8SnZZ_pbGuJwAs5fZnZZUgqvldMJMjBR9lcPiEdIro1wY Received: from [184.152.109.61] by web163503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:22:53 PST DQoNCg0KSSwgdW5mb3J0dW5hdGVseSwgY2xpY2tlZCBvbiBpdCBhbmQgaXQgaGlqYWNrZWQgbXkgZS1tYWlsIGFkZHJlc3Nlcywgd2hvIGFsbCBnb3Qgc29tZSBzcGFtIGUtbWFpbCBmcm9tICJtZSIuwqAgDQrCoA0KT24gYW5vdGhlciBub3RlLCB3ZSBhY3R1YWxseSBoYXZlIGEgbm9uLWZyZWV6aW5nIGRheSBpbiBOSiwgc28gSSBpbnRlbmQgb24gc3RhcnRpbmcgdGhlIGNhciBsYXRlciAoVFIzQSkuwqAgSSB0b29rIGhlciBmb3IgYSBzcGluIG9uIGEgZGF5IGxpa2UgdGhpcyBhYm91dCAyIHdlZWtzIGFnby0BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:22:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Carletta To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] bad link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I, unfortunately, clicked on it and it hijacked my e-mail addresses, who all got some spam e-mail from "me". On another note, we actually have a non-freezing day in NJ, so I intend on starting the car later (TR3A). I took her for a spin on a day like this about 2 weeks ago-top off, of course. Ann Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:07:36 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Cosmo Kramer Cc: Digest Subject: Re: [TR] Digest hi Message-ID: I assume everyone knows better than to click on links that are offered in this fashion. We've had two such posts just today so I thought I'd remind folks to use caution. They may actually be legitimate but it pays to be wary as email accounts are often hacked/hijacked. Geo PS (I messed with the link below so it won't work at all). On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > have a look at this http://bit.ly****/UzRm9v > > Cosmo ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 42 *************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF14D427EA for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:33:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s8.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s8.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17684258C for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT133-W20 ([65.55.90.9]) by snt0-omc1-s8.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:25:10 -0800 From: Dave Murphy To: , Dave Murphy Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:25:10 -0500 References: FILETIME=[5A798B90:01CDFE56] Subject: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a couple of Battery Tenders last year and liked them so much, that I bought 3 more. I used to use a regular 2 amp charger and a 6 amp charger to try to charge all my seasonal vehicle batteries a few times throughout the winter, but as I didn't check out the battery voltage after charging or use a hygrometer (perhaps more difficult with a "sealed" battery) it was hit and miss as to exactly how long I needed to charge the batteries and when I needed to charge them. And at best my batteries rarely lasted more than 3 seasons. I like 4 things about the Battery Tender. My First Like is the 2 lights - Flashing Red for a bad connection/open circuit; Red for a low battery; Red and Green for almost charged; and Green for fully charged and charger shuts off and then just measures voltage to determine if it should come back on. My Second Like is the permanent spark-free wire connection to the battery using the ring terminals which connect to the bolts through the terminal ends on the car's standard battery cable ends, and then the umbical cord from the ring terminals can be fed permanemtly through the car's grille ending in a weatherproof capped quick disconnect - no worrying about alligator clips jumping off when you shut the hood. My Third Like is you can leave the Battery Tender connected forever without worrying about over charging or running up huge dollars on your electric bill. My Fourth Like is the integral fuse that I imagine might help prevent a fire. If, by using a hastle-free $50 Battery Tender, I can get 6 years out a $100 battery instead of 2, it's saved me $200, a 4:1 ROI ! If I get 8 years, I'll save $300! Multiplied by number of seasonal vehicles. -David Murphy Dearborn Michigan '76 TR6 '66 AH3000 '03 BMW MCS '73 Norton Commando 850 Roadster 1 big old Yank ragtop ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:38:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73F640557 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:38:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.232.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC2D4041A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:38:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([67.187.54.83]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MHE00019JNMO7B0@nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:33:24 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-29_07:2013-01-29,2013-01-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301290172 From: Anthony Cascio Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:35:26 -0500 To: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net car discussion" Subject: [TR] TR4 front end bacing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Does anyone have any photos or video on where and how the front end lower facing is attached to a TR4A???? I am told that this is a weak point in the front suspension and I would like to take care of the issue while I have the motor out. Thanks Tony Cascio 58 TR3A TS27093L 65 TR4A on a TR4 frame CTC64651LO allegrorover@mac.com www.triumphowners.com/1489 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:48:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65719427AE for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:48:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.232.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C62424BA for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([67.187.54.83]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MHE00009JPVI3C0@nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:34:45 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-29_07:2013-01-29,2013-01-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301290173 From: Anthony Cascio Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:36:48 -0500 To: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net car discussion" Subject: [TR] oops sorry Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I meant bracing instead of facing......can't type or is it read well.... Tony cascio ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:49:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F94427C1 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:49:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7D042560 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:41:28 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:41:26 -0600 References: <49B6820F-61C5-453D-8303-E22948FBD57E@mac.com> To: Anthony Cascio Cc: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net car discussion" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 front end bacing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of questions.. 1. Which chassis? Standard or IRS? 2. Can you elaborate on "front end lower facing"? On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Anthony Cascio wrote: > List, > Does anyone have any photos or video on where and how the front end lower facing is attached to a TR4A???? > I am told that this is a weak point in the front suspension and I would like to take care of the issue while I have the motor out. > Thanks > > > > Tony Cascio > 58 TR3A > TS27093L > 65 TR4A on a TR4 frame > CTC64651LO > allegrorover@mac.com > www.triumphowners.com/1489 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 12:52:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8351F427B8 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:52:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.232.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A986D42567 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:52:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([67.187.54.83]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MHE0031OKB6GN60@nk11p03mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:47:37 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-29_07:2013-01-29,2013-01-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301290176 From: Anthony Cascio Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:49:34 -0500 References: <49B6820F-61C5-453D-8303-E22948FBD57E@mac.com> <66F348FA-C15F-4AC7-BA77-833BF7723F5E@genfiniti.com> To: "G.D. Huggins" Cc: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net car discussion" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 front end bacing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, it's a TR4A on a solid axle frame. And I believe it's the bracing setup for the lower A arms where they attach to the frame. Evidently they were not welded as good as they could have and the single bolt where the new kits have a two bolt set up. I just wondered if anyone had done this already and if there were any photos available before I attempt this upgrade. Thanks Tony Cascio ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 13:17:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA014427CD for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:17:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E74424D4 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:09:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com ([17.172.220.246]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTP id <0MHE00ASWL2AS100@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:04:58 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-29_07:2013-01-29,2013-01-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1212290000 definitions=main-1301290181 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.161]) by st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MHE001TFL3K5850@st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:04:32 +0000 (GMT) To: Anthony Cascio From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:04:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net car discussion" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 front end bacing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tony, There are actually three weak spots there: 1. The brackets that are welded to the frame can tear off. As built, they are mostly welded to the back wall of the frame. This has happened to me. 2. The single-bolt brackets can break. This has also happened to me. 3. The single-bolt brackets can pull through the frame bracket. On #1, there is a gusset kit that can (should!) be installed. I got mine from TRF, though you could fabricate your own gussets. On #2, use the TR6 brackets with two bolts. On #3, fab up an extra backing plate to reinforce the bracket welded to the frame. -Darrell On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Anthony Cascio wrote: Sorry, it's a TR4A on a solid axle frame. And I believe it's the bracing setup for the lower A arms where they attach to the frame. Evidently they were not welded as good as they could have and the single bolt where the new kits have a two bolt set up. I just wondered if anyone had done this already and if there were any photos available before I attempt this upgrade. Thanks Tony Cascio ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive darrellw360@mac.com'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw3 60@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 14:19:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0F3425A8 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:19:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DB5424D4 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:13:43 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:13:42 -0600 References: <49B6820F-61C5-453D-8303-E22948FBD57E@mac.com> <66F348FA-C15F-4AC7-BA77-833BF7723F5E@genfiniti.com> <4F03B079-C806-4B57-B7D5-EE52651BE634@mac.com> To: Anthony Cascio Cc: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net car discussion" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 front end bacing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anthony, I get it now. I did this on my 4A. It was a matter of welding some strengthening gussets to the chassis mounts, and using the two-bolt brackets from a TR6. I have descriptions and photos on my web site at: http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph/restoration/chassisRenew.asp http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph/restoration/frontSuspensionRenew.asp Hope it helps. Best of luck. On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Anthony Cascio wrote: > Sorry, it's a TR4A on a solid axle frame. And I believe it's the bracing setup for the lower A arms where they attach to the frame. > Evidently they were not welded as good as they could have and the single bolt where the new kits have a two bolt set up. > I just wondered if anyone had done this already and if there were any photos available before I attempt this upgrade. > Thanks > Tony Cascio ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 15:36:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E30427C4 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A4F42567 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:30:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id wy12so551318pbc.21 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:26:07 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=YS1gjfcjyvr4cP9J/VYSoM4gwY3Lv1K6HYPbHyfEVN4=; b=vIg5zg8bC9MeNZwNM7RE9um7EPXOP2GuL+liQYQdD4xpn9oJvTiOt6KIjTCsHFrCvY hOd1WDdMR4r5OuT7VGUj7uryRudwTtCCiZwG40BglOmcOVDsms5+/xOj5tadkOfn3cmA gJjZD2OIUBq/2l88D8jvhjxlNIMVVHGe0yDUOw4j5eKt4hZulELzWDZgfI+qBxQZmBkZ 1jqs+JmvhrJde5yrnHGDic/RQ3cKQM9wXqs5SLleR1vLVeIChjRKUZp4yN8b3ykSsYUb QZSo78PG0agjoMfgAJ28IDc1cDQ9fqcXm+XJn+cTrjWs8Vz0RvrEsLZE5N4e1Jcm0a5G JUfQ== vc7mr6561775pbc.2.1359498366656; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-54-223.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.54.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5sm9904531pay.5.2013.01.29.14.26.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:26:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:26:01 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Triumph List References: <1359487373.95145.YahooMailClassic@web163503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] bad link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Ann Carletta wrote: > I, unfortunately, clicked on it and it hijacked my e-mail addresses, who all > got some spam e-mail from "me". I *never* open a link that comes in an email without text or one that only has a sentence or two of generic text not obviously from a real list member or person I know. I'm sure I miss some interesting videos but it seems to me that someone could at least add text saying what the link is for if it is legit. > > On another note, we actually have a non-freezing day in NJ, so I intend on > starting the car later (TR3A). I took her for a spin on a day like this about > 2 weeks ago-top off, of course. I too started my TR3 today. I let it idle in the garage while I shoveled snow off the driveway and walkways. Thought the TR would enjoy getting the juices flowing and the battery charged. Looks like a high of 30 degrees F today. TeriAnn The word burrr comes to mind. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 15:53:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6636427E9 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:53:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045D9425A4 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hn17so2998474wib.12 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:48:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nGJpFuYLwxK/a+/1eiJFVfSLVumBAMOL8pzXp2CwLJI=; b=kg+8xxHSR+GZU3mWhhTGks+IRm1/oAuetH7NxwThc9eSrT9AZJas7FSYOdbWtL3QFJ Ca1itXvXHMh1+K5sTSVT7xJQS7sMyjw/7AnCtrpphfZDnKa/RPpXzYP3mpyyGc5MdVVA piW+VaGamf5AqqZ2/Swg9dQsIX5B0BaGCqcBek3BTWKufRa9vs8hvqIkm4l0wwY2o4sA VraL9rINAx+Kn3XjmNnGIqLSvhzYlb/fMkUBPkezF8qF5Tkdier3IW98DcbkVAgdy+lb 76aSau3d61A5saW4wfidslen+qsf1p+27xKIvwrJluQcaLwcjJTR2CfhXFiqmIF5EoGl 2xJQ== r2mr5017648wia.28.1359499698155; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.153.169 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:48:18 -0800 (PST) References: <1359487373.95145.YahooMailClassic@web163503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <51084C79.6090904@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:48:18 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] bad link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 70+ F in Saint Louis yesterday and today. Good days to get the TR3B out and the oil hot. Of course, now the storms and tornado watches are looming -- there's a price to be paid here for those temperatures in January. Don On 1/29/13, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Ann Carletta wrote: >> I, unfortunately, clicked on it and it hijacked my e-mail addresses, who >> all >> got some spam e-mail from "me". > I *never* open a link that comes in an email without text or one that > only has a sentence or two of generic text not obviously from a real > list member or person I know. I'm sure I miss some interesting videos > but it seems to me that someone could at least add text saying what the > link is for if it is legit. >> >> On another note, we actually have a non-freezing day in NJ, so I intend >> on >> starting the car later (TR3A). I took her for a spin on a day like this >> about >> 2 weeks ago-top off, of course. > I too started my TR3 today. I let it idle in the garage while I shoveled > snow off the driveway and walkways. Thought the TR would enjoy getting > the juices flowing and the battery charged. Looks like a high of 30 > degrees F today. > > TeriAnn > > The word burrr comes to mind. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 17:28:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C7D4284A for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:28:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B8E40E42 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 00:23:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 00:23:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 00:23:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 59030 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 00:23:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359505396; bh=Ko0u1nJCfJG3VMcjzO/XconyOqlRbJEAY1pq5fG5rSg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V86zIsWmQbi19a7XAE9ZLY5AiODZBYwc+BeNDp9CZxHOjwHNxhHY+MjmF71GvbEWNB5Fdx3gD+JTGO6FnQ95SYgJOEm4+hX3/xZegDU/sy0Q/OWiTitRb3PjvEGtKhA3fe7yvPBQes0kloC9M2nNvhkdAZGWh/pbN6OHrDeLwlU= QNc._oF8BMJU8RhIRRxrlmsb8X6XEHWi5GwfVGAr4wP1lOvzpsR4r27Kp6d8 6LWJRR4efzFtfQDMLC3Jrf.5OOwZamFp6dp_eYhncr3wDR0SqRM7Sl4xFvNF yLvW87RB3LGdz7mpoPfiw5G8zHJ7z6SFmIYSjpvEzvqCfOryE6BOUNelYyBJ L8NiRyzLR9T9f0hp.2EAUBg6WxQmhNs61o2AmMFO5Bwf1xqrJTu8wFAOpjkc ideLBdbMPTdtMY97RnQclaMk4JE0AoptMDtYt4mkbpSz43zHFEL34gDXFNjp GgF2WrHw1y8DbL_i2JzaUyFY79l5Dt.O_74N1LnzVoiYgVwpYePIcoyJ__9j mLTKKaWhTJlVADWdIVUVg.7_nIBMVlIB1kVszt_05dTUrMBWWqgQdukF.Sfr h5edirAg8vZiFxwFd2xRY0MtUoiHGJCXydwSK6Jc_tHW2EgQweVvpuw15.Vg knYO6aDnHJt7W0Mjs_K8PL28WLViIkq.iGEYLOrDS.4Wv69JfkwJCvyhvm8g - Received: from [200.56.7.205] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:23:15 PST aGV5IGhhdmUgYSBsb29rIGh0dHA6Ly9iaXQubHkvWEhRV2U3CgpXaWxsaWFtATABAQEB Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] hi Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net hey have a look http://bit.ly/XHQWe7 William ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 19:11:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA1742842 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:11:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08EB42806 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:06:31 -0700 (MST) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=FI7X23vdPr4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Cml7NA_fWx8A:10 a=G4oq3U_q8tGArFf93mYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:54132] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 16/02-06157-80F78015; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:01:44 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "John Macartney" , "Angelo Graham" , References: <51071D6E.30002@execulink.com> <1359452762.43406.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:01:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Battery trickle charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Although I am fortunate that my car is next to the house in the local garage, and I only have one to maintain, I generally don't worry about charging the battery in the winter, and just start it about once a month when we get a decent day, if no snow on the ground even take it for a drive. Charges the battery back up, and gets the circulating and covering the internal parts they are supposed to cover, and hopefully evaporates out any condensation in the motor. I realize not every one has that luxury, so a charger of some kind is needed, but works well for me. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 23:33:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEB242863 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:33:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C09F240551 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 06:22:26 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.119] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 06:22:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 06:22:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 33396 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 06:22:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359526946; bh=XTC/hw0uOOJKhc3VpxWvVReOESwm7goVpY3Iz+kFaG4=; 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I got hacked. Sorry. I got the same email from a friend I had just sent a photo to and this email popped back, apparently from him. I thought that he had sent me something in return, so I clicked on it. How does one clear this up? I plan to run Malware Bytes and SpyBot Search & Destroy, just to make sure. -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 04:25:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6F34283D for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:25:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E044249F for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:17:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MHF00B6IR5SBXI1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 05:13:05 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "William Brewer" , "Triumphs" References: <1359543616.32477.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:13:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Damn Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Windows box? just do a restore point from a few days ago Personally after using half a dozen different anti-virus and etc packages over the years...I've settled with Bit Defender.Cleanest, works well, stops most stuff cold. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Brewer" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:00 AM Subject: [TR] Damn Links > Sorry about the bad link sent out from me yesterday. > I got hacked. > Sorry. I got the same email from a friend I had just sent a photo to and > this > email popped back, apparently from him. I thought that he had > sent me > something in return, so I clicked on it. > How does one clear this up? I > plan to run Malware Bytes and SpyBot Search & Destroy, just to make sure. > -Bill Brewer > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 06:59:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DFE42866 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:59:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712F3424AB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 13:52:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:16:23 PST QSBmcmllbmQgdHVybmVkIG1lIG9uIHRvIGEgY2FuIG9mIEZsdWlkIEZpbG0gYWJvdXQgNCBtb250aHMgYWdvLsKgIFRoaXMgc3R1ZmYgaXMgZ3JlYXQhIcKgIEl0IHdhcyBkZXZlbG9wZWQgZm9yIHRoZSBuYXZ5IG1hbnkgeWVhcnMgYWdvLiBJIGhhdmUgbm90IGZvdW5kIGEgc3R1Y2sgY29ycm9kZWQgcnVzdHkgbnV0IGl0IGNvdWxkIG5vdCBmcmVlIHlldC7CoCBJdCBidWJibGVzIGFuZCBsZWF2ZXMgYmVoaW5kIHJ1c3QgcHJldmVudGF0aXZlLsKgIEhhcyBhIGJpdCBvZiBhIGZ1bmt5IHNtZWxsLCBidXQgZG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:16:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Lee <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> To: list Subject: Re: [TR] penetrating oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A friend turned me on to a can of Fluid Film about 4 months ago. This stuff is great!! It was developed for the navy many years ago. I have not found a stuck corroded rusty nut it could not free yet. It bubbles and leaves behind rust preventative. Has a bit of a funky smell, but don't they all? It's made of wool oil. http://www.fluidfilmsalesusa.com/about/ It can be purchased from Grainger: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/FLUID-FILM-LubricantCorrosion-Inhibitor-10N7 83?gclid=CNa5hbaukLUCFQVgMgodXW4AFg&cm_mmc=PPC:GooglePLA-_-Fleet%20and%20Vehi cle%20Maintenance-_-Automotive%20Chemicals-_-10N783&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=10 N783&ef_id=jQ1Pvjkur28AAFBB:20130130150949:s NFI The "List" rocks! thanks guys Jeff Lee 63 TR4 22144 Easley, SC ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 08:31:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730314286A for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:31:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892B440E02 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.101.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.101]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MX2VA-1UWUZw3KTs-00WP4X; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:26:18 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:26:26 -0500 nWdv9v7McrAhdw0Ey6uI2byXPL5LMvp094UN2LwStQgBAWMZls N+HLK66+UIcmZQiBHeasThtXhxrdjwVmSqD+RrmnUL07Zk1XnC zYJnuJH+p3MaaF/UOO72m1+TYwNO9bl4o7ZXklbqYkneQlo+mV hefF+VOK23i2H2e5zpixeJCOtjj+Ht+/Un2oDxDT+yAY+jSb+S CruJSDYS+ucKyQAitFUVh/QQiswZrWh7sDepFnhu/aOA5LXhDm JfliLn2Ht9BO7+0rNjNjD1Vx+8iF+LSIfMblXYG9CQLB2W0GBp suN/m8E8K+PE5UuTI7NABdVl+FpBMBhJaBhEd74sx Subject: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide variety of Mail List user email names....... did the list get hacked and email addresses grabbed? Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 08:47:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DE8427F1 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:47:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F463424AB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 15:40:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 15:40:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 15:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 64201 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 15:40:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359560417; bh=A71CtJi0N0klcw8ZIjLIuCYBr0gu/sKbRZpMwTxk3lM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=htO8Pwk+p9mb2EsCyu2ipdUxgHzLW6SPw3uz8Bbhl21V0W9KkJpjF6La8utYjqLo4WENRP1Fr+o4Z92ZvENSa/vklE60UsCBpUMKsO7bNRD9W+ma2mOqHV2xVSGiYgM4VdDRqR7QF4ceGPca6PLUiMRIqvb7AvrcGLzOncUtjKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NiXSegFe86GzeNDjuDq8k6eSOKATsDD5vzfav/LWnLpfUPsfurg+qSV9cK5Ou2qEgD05ckCoTpNqHLKIRwBN8S1ERvv6t6HxuKHvrfaExSXaravHkX3Dh+4DSD3XbvhUnKQM+1yyR9QVGsvis/m0ZU+7+fSbPZFovKml8+kYIc0= ; sxtaX0DNdfPh_5Ur5nw8VN7C0QEOEVB8WkS41OuV98WYZ6Yief8.1OUvv_rw Z83a3x2ZO4OU14grgYwSO_77d_4hIGNDoYPro2Cl.CIFs0CSoinc54spURD2 1pHU7b28DmMPE1GvDzK8U0FWmIEz94GuMA_ug69TCSeQodLHrMYY2wQEMpfT xOD0bzPpgjwbsVmSIbvswwr5riFEhVr9jLsk1tykjivYFb3R1.CQMYOcG_Rq 6XvPk.FJ3cTw8nqe_RjvrDu_V7GmlWYyjoTC1Lmi54I8mL_pFVtHpcvW_Q7A 4aw4ceoVzSDO7Fsh5nNlQEUCa_K_2W3zyZSSLDranAor.qzOdVgX7m8RtzCn hIc_M9EhTzjs.AmVqOgQuUeRTJIdABx4bG3bc8f7YBFunrvTblvPgWKOsOAn xBPTwRsziQHBN6oJf_ngezoqHfNUFYsGZQt.cFlPc26J607tgNlrWLhhm0XY .JNFZaXo3eHczQFlKG9HWyDrtwQ4WiPgcqiHpvtLsaacvB4rT1PntL6KrFPr 9DNK98rqkl0dQN2_Poi85GUll16E6H8boxg8UCyn7OEBgRCXT Received: from [68.115.250.74] by web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:40:17 PST Pj4.IkhpIjw8PMKgIHNlZW1zIHRvIGJlIHRoZSB3b3JkIHRvIGxvb2sgb3V0IGZvci4NCg0KLS0tIE9uIFdlZCwgMS8zMC8xMywgQm9iIDw3NXRyNkB0cjYuZGFuaWVsc29uZmFtaWx5Lm9yZz4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IEJvYiA8NzV0cjZAdHI2LmRhbmllbHNvbmZhbWlseS5vcmc.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIE1vcmUgQmFkIExpbmtzDQpUbzogdHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQNCkRhdGU6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgSmFudWFyeSAzMCwgMjAxMywgMTA6MjYgQU0NCg0KSSdtIGdldHRpbmcgaGl0IHdpdGgBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Lee <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> To: list Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >>>"Hi"<<< seems to be the word to look out for. --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: From: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Subject: [TR] More Bad Links To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:26 AM I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide variety of Mail List user email names....... did the list get hacked and email addresses grabbed? Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/63trumpster@bellsouth.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 08:51:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458574287F for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:51:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f52.google.com (mail-da0-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1047D424AB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-da0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f10so822635dak.25 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jmst3LUL5ZkJvrcUnuVExzCkkcCAZ2E2e1c9/kf3MWg=; b=WVFCtH5PHq07QRz+60dKkO8t1KmTxER/WyabKfZy8SmzpEBQQtJqkmco1oDQMGQPoI vyRPdDHmLXctqbay04yGJtxepIDpfKPrC2aYNpJKzMORphTKibvFgRCyLaJ/MhJh1hQU ciCUFyjgvWMFgFE6ri+slmJYmzWKnzrI6NjQpcrczlm5LmfbBVaYcMQdEtbqDIpnBH2T FIVfymZh4UlfCLgutT7lFOppTU3ZFw9ctD8psCBm3orCLoLHDVNsR/IjC0P6fn0WVFES KFObki6nl9ll20UBhGjvZ0EUlyTn/Gam9rY4567c8RuP+T6HTcZzQsLCtqHVHMrmWHZX zdjw== p4mr12293642pax.35.1359560798116; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-54-223.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.54.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vk5sm1924726pbc.34.2013.01.30.07.46.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:46:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:46:32 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <467F7108C07049E59A1E029CCF0941DF@BobDell> Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/30/13 8:26 AM, Bob wrote: > I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide variety > of Mail List user email names....... did the list get hacked and email > addresses grabbed? I don't think the list got hacked. I think that the virus went viral and the individuals on the list who are sending out the viral link are all hacked. That's why I never open a link unless it is accompanied by convincing non generic text explaining what the link is to. And even then I will not if it seems remotely suspicious. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 09:02:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114CF42864 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:02:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B25C424AB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:57:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 15:52:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.41] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 15:52:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 15:52:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359561142; bh=2z2jTlFwjdNhQIoGPPIEQnHXbEGGdNWlYPTvHak4jBY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=BcU+Yo+iGOfoMFI1LL9lfxRAyF9hy3J1654B8qAvesYyB8+h9/vo9xs8Vatry6aYHe3WXajAlyo8LYJwtj4TClmG+rlojyS2Fv86jIxmbId7mMFuWbhFK3QtKvQCyqLL2mQSgdoNxvq7/JzeTHoakcP6dEKiboZkA+nEDs9Am3E= VGF4y1_.koAVuQ_E8bsbKsK2jgynflLTUsClUUIMX0QEjdTlIAFVNOUONLXa bTsw0odSbFjtU_UBc2Wb9h5HnCM7FCHXXaG4bsrYXMDksvEaOvsM8f6M_edV bx.hGOA_Fw0kvLPNP56WutuFHfsxU5Gg7FtY0prXhZWDPGWZzZa260lLXGDB _HlVT2O1rvRBjsxyT6yNAqNc9pCoyWQs8.rzCmGIjh1JL4q0y9B_.yzgRjiL cOBlF88_0qF2xpvweqXGBw0ACBJ6pDkIK_FAZnRIKalZuuE.aKBPnXMp3b_H wd0q.HglinxtcWPZT7jrvnMuOj3LUNNp4z9tYkHMeshc0YDspTpbvDGBdoni Sg96gi7pKylBrIlw6VMwljUbaTWNepnD2IObR9PtC8lkhLtuJmk7.NFb3_j8 Hws46X_z.1Y2ixoNYGT.ySR.SX8MnYxJ7N5MzODasHBPkib1V90k2UF0KH9E Z5EmmWOKTo0WSWmKwE5kZpxtE8lpR5jXyUSW8AdYdQy8jYZStdfvaWg_7JoN pLG0WSZJ8pGTOvlVz6W1.w7G.xjA1irjxTYuYBus4BiZ7tt8y7doVnw2pwHt XhA_18o5r80EE.VYyImK73dCE49KZd7l1Kaw- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2013 07:52:22 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'Jeff Lee'" <63trumpster@bellsouth.net>, "'list'" References: <467F7108C07049E59A1E029CCF0941DF@BobDell> <1359560417.50944.YahooMailClassic@web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:52:09 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3/AHFTUDA5M22lRZKXFPl5QFFQJAAAJGAg Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been real careful with my internet usage, BUT if any gets one of these from me, please let me know. If you will change your password it will fix it, for this time. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow" M.Andretti -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Lee Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:40 AM To: list Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links >>>"Hi"<<< seems to be the word to look out for. --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: From: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Subject: [TR] More Bad Links To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:26 AM I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide variety of Mail List user email names....... did the list get hacked and email addresses grabbed? Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/63trumpster@bellsouth.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 09:50:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3686D428AE for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:50:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C3424AB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 16:45:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 16:45:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 16:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 16511 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 16:45:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359564310; bh=KjXJibq/YzFcE7POlbRuNAFkw3Wa6tv1exUoG5vxk5c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SxF4uVi1gU0WtqM8rO05E86dVfN6xUV98jMENVLbIgkXj9WzWVKvpvBnCwovITAmZvFFN8ByAQNfTa84rTLUnI/T7ScDzuzkNBFbTtldgXr8YQf8CPTeHL03FlM5owDOGz1tiOTl8Q+SFNu89w7W89jvSUqwlywB2VioJjBjZU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AZQjc69TfRi2kQ+73VFR/IZ8jG2R4zu7Aph9nmGlxv4/EwxPPM350LZL+f/aAc8xzcoFn6fzcJcbzwk43G+k8W3qZybkqYpDv8LZBTGO5pZ0sRNJ3iu/M6KjQnogL+8Bagfy8EYHSi5QWvh7Wb1cPBz9ezHomsHgicytbK+k0M8= ; 0VcoCE6K4i01hfd10dd0DqIV.VPc8UNvXBnFuzUyQTSd_QBTgybxNPxNHIWd 82ATNd.BlTwSuuGMCcn_Z1PYvFDmxmw4sFoydeMsbJgajqhwQlnTC3grxxmu OdX.rp1bdpiQ3_fiBuP0sHtJJGmNDAU3EPGPKJT9FSOfip_QMc8zPUquRSdt u7o7lyZvWh2Pnzk16yBY7xj6OOuaUY1L6zyanMJ6j4N_h6H94pRPvkH8dHGV V8JSxI058pctLpl7dhdNCnmf5kZbwbeAWimMSoWfVTp91EDk6gwk_VD1UH84 Ea9UP5eI1_dhRRc26TfTn1HBL6meE5MXsaOLoK3A4BWDKS12W4VK2UAvKWYD 8p4ghk17EY_1o8n0iwfEsDHngkgBudTJeauZ_sNWsVBsMIVlApO4phFwQVSO 0PKME09SOqmc7BRq2DUndAHo2n_AUYwRtgb.enXfTv08D.pMQvYWhQGy2DsL b_oc.VM4Ol0zdemHThV85r__amO1ptH90oVLG.faZHiKrO0uuwjLKok6GzQ- - Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:45:10 PST aSBkb24ndCB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIGhvdyBqdXN0IG9wZW5pbmcgbWFpbCBjYW4gZG93bmxvYWQgYSB2aXJ1cyB0byBteSBjb21wdXRlci4KaSBkbyB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIGNsaWNraW5nIHRoZSBsaW5rIGluIHRoZSBpbml0aWFsIGVtYWlsIGhhcyBjYXVzZWQgc29tZSBvZiB5b3UgdG8gYmUgaGFja2VkLiBhcyBpIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBpbiB0aGUgcGFzdC4KbWF5YmUgdGhvc2Ugb2YgeW91IG1vcmUgc2F2eSB0aGFuIG1lIGNhbiBleHBsYWluIGluIHZlcnkgc2ltcGxlIHRlcm1zIGhvdyBqdXN0IG9wZW5pbmcgbWFpbCABMAEBAQE- References: <467F7108C07049E59A1E029CCF0941DF@BobDell> <51094058.6060600@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i don't understand how just opening mail can download a virus to my computer. i do understand clicking the link in the initial email has caused some of you to be hacked. as i have been in the past. maybe those of you more savy than me can explain in very simple terms how just opening mail can get me hacked. From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links On 1/30/13 8:26 AM, Bob wrote: > I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide variety of Mail List user email names....... did the list get hacked and email addresses grabbed? I don't think the list got hacked. I think that the virus went viral and the individuals on the list who are sending out the viral link are all hacked. That's why I never open a link unless it is accompanied by convincing non generic text explaining what the link is to. And even then I will not if it seems remotely suspicious. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 09:53:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80562428D8 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:53:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFB542850 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:53:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.252] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 16:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 80840 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 16:48:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359564509; bh=6IXh7/XDTdQwFOd0KCxMvwudwP5FiTMzbwnVdwXsuh0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JPVrAa2EFK56lkz3zj2aEDgWoODBNV6Klle3YFE1vqqCwcw4u8xJwPC/qVAFGGapfjp1rnMfp0L360rmJIl/Ih3u8cZT3LkfvA05pFSS+M03yE2D2ZMRZm07GD5BKLX0LivOqzyBnVVnZcpvfR477IycqoLyy6FDDU7RHg+XeKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SGhUerhNGzJwp9OgFRj2VeIRDpuwhCwWzZvmsgFhy88JH/061GrUjAAWzf/utXCQC/shrhfN1FG1Bt0LUQdSuJniSue5C7IXia+phMvy9AGJtUZmUP7p/ssYpQP7yv3q4GnFh+sgh9/RBgdcQP5kv1ZA0opUPwWFm+kt6zkZM0I= ; vSfjrvvyCjPgCfG5bhGVhTQ9jgfUOs2cEwngLYihwaA1nLqyUC83DoSQPhus .EHahpEsOrHif.qD4rD4CtZr2sc1aJWiFVDTj.T9OZxapbR1ccPFB5O.RwRa zbb7YnanHzMo1X4oTP9XBerQNsYKbD8pVNlLbLSH_wlACQrynIcNZHHy9Dhh Yx9boUG2yoAIfPd5poom2XBtsmuYn..fNc7Rig6P5hMguqDBrHrQKfZK46m. 9GO2._cvRRSyM_3KspfCtlwiSDLoWMm2jfXLE7UlFMZVzX3aTcOJ5QA6tUvw vC4atV_wkHuMKzAppg3ZKN__HI9iR4SE6vDOQK1e_pG30taXuVWss_bVm0.N Y1GvbwMfW0RYZhUAoEwOXeF2BRTPWEihNOXOrDhHTuzWCyQAei9fRcLkIW6M zqtX05HH1vh.MxKKT4MQC01iY0pxCEwHR55XcKgSITOqCS6Cxuff_xA-- Received: from [72.45.201.74] by web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:48:29 PST CgrCoEhpIGxpc3QhCjFzdC0gSSB3YW50IHRvIGFwb2xvZ2l6ZSB0byBhbnlvbmUgeW91IHJlY2VpdmVkIGFuIEUtbWFpbCBmcm9tIG1lIHdpdGggYW4gYXR0YWNobWVudCB0aGF0IGkgZGlkIE5PVCBzdGF0ZSB3aGF0IHdhcyBpbiBpdC4gSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGhhY2tlZCAmIGRvbid0IG9wZW4gdXAgYW55dGhpbmcuCgoybmQtIE9uIGJyYWNpbmcgdGhlIGZyb250IHN1c3BlbnNpb24uIEkgaGF2ZW4ndCBoYWQgYSBjaGFuY2UgdG8gZG8gaXQsIHlldCwgYnV0IEkndmUgcHVyY2hhc2VkIHRoZSA0IGxvd2VyIEYgc3UBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Subject: TR4 front end bacing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi list! 1st- I want to apologize to anyone you received an E-mail from me with an attachment that i did NOT state what was in it. I've been hacked & don't open up anything. 2nd- On bracing the front suspension. I haven't had a chance to do it, yet, but I've purchased the 4 lower F suspension frame rail mounting brackets from a TR6 (which has two studs to mount to the frame vs stud that's found on the TR4/A's). The TR6's makes better sense to me, because IF (hopefully not) the one stud should brake on the TR4/A's set-up, then you have BIG problems when driving {weather it's on local street speeds or on highway speeds}. But the TR6 set-up would 'Hopefully' give you a chance to be able to pull off the road SAFELY! Also, I think if you check with tony at RADCO Frames, he'll tell you to gusset up the frame. Well, it's back to peddling home in 60+^F weather, rain & headwinds of 25+MPH. Stay warm & keep working on your TRIUMPHs! -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 11:37:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E655428C2 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:37:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8456E40EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fq12so1361689lab.19 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:28:32 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jcz57Oyy6RXuWg0GLXTph9twFSMFvutOl7vMfq97pYo=; b=ZrQSazSU2l6Skacyv+blb4VCKZCRWrU3zXWwCyJ3llPBdqDTW2KVsJfRe37sK/Laba lZ41wnbB+AI377L6UR7KJlwWduqkRfIAOI3msBA9tFgkbFmiDcsDmXHJ+SBllgCEXmuX 3sR1mwdUtqYVgvs7NCGzCSOabbzR2Y0/7Gd0YAYSyCqLAIhJUnGUqVE2CvOXwT+8QfKO bqsztvFbQVS/09E3uWB747DLHgF8JQ1eB7/fo6durgiblIFWk5AwZj979/ZeuTFdKGGb QYJxqOOMFfA4PlWH0Yxd5fgOsfF+PnrHDgCokMS2buk97KOujen9WwuCKbKy5BoMFI0C cDxg== s4mr2211345lba.106.1359570511999; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.170.230 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:28:31 -0800 (PST) References: <1359558983.19510.YahooMailClassic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:28:31 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jeff Lee <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> Cc: list Subject: Re: [TR] penetrating oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Jeff Lee <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> wrote: > A friend turned me on to a can of Fluid Film about 4 months ago. This > stuff > is great!! I, too, have been using Fluid Film. I still use PBlaster for penetrating oil but the FF seems to be a good choice for rust proofing as it is easy to spray in cavities, creeps well and unlike most spray oils seems never to evaporate. Also makes cast metal parts look nice if you're detailing (e.g. master cylinders). I found it at a local tractor supply store (which is itself hard to find in Tucson AZ). I think its main ingredient is Lanolin. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 11:38:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD862428DD for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:38:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103C40EBA for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170128pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MHG00MUWBIX9FB1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:32:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170128 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:32:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:32:57 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For what it's worth - I use verizon.net email. None of the infecting items made it to my inbox. One of the few benefits to this service. It doesn't block a lot of junk mail but anything with an attachment or active link is scanned (I do receive images, links, etc so it doesn't block everything) Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 12:11:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A01142905 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:11:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79E340EB9 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.101.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.101]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MNqrr-1U37083WRf-0073Nh; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:56:26 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Carl TR" , References: <24503599.127025.1359570777274.JavaMail.root@vznit170128> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:56:33 -0500 uRJU3SDP3giu7XCC4P1KZ1y9mxRCUJc7qK5CmsuA4KxSaM2Ef8 ypD59DgCKdREaAjIh+bL7ShA07pvPkIaLh3Yz18Euoc/hE0Gf/ pGlWlzfi6COcijIl3vY5lYah9rRdCWR/UyFrzdsioZ28iu6kXA ICwtx13eJONTlMTfiaNCRKCUteNk+xIWxkq+qlleOXww4lbldg WFO1tEO5KP+rqeusOvBgHzppE/nnZO++TpRRdN/HSp5vreHOdg qL53G5qt9xiWabXYqzsBdG51qcNlERSbei/Dw/9obgy66FGZvn r2XmnFPXVSfspop0nnQb0jI5k9DnYevd3j+dXu3yB Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I use a product called Mail Washer Pro which doesn't download anything to my PC but lets me look at the email on the mail server......... then I can decide to download it or not. If I choose not to download it, Mail Washer removes it from the mail server. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:32 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Links For what it's worth - I use verizon.net email. None of the infecting items made it to my inbox. One of the few benefits to this service. It doesn't block a lot of junk mail but anything with an attachment or active link is scanned (I do receive images, links, etc so it doesn't block everything) Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 12:41:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B569428D4 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:41:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88C440549 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:40:53 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=8dyORkAEHZUA:10 a=A8gK22QyoWcipGagq7QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AtgvEemWmuqrShVh:21 a=7XU94mW9HjLzmp8X:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 78/5B-25866-22679015; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:36:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:36:07 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3/CT3J69NwHzR9Rzyaib92cWZphAAFcbOw Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > i don't understand how just opening mail can download a virus > to my computer. In theory, it shouldn't be able to. But HTML and Java are basically limited programming languages, so opening your email is allowing an unknown program to run on your computer. They aren't supposed to allow anything that could install a virus; but there are always bugs. And there are an amazing number of very bright people out there with apparently nothing better to do than find those bugs and a way to exploit them. Another problem is that HTML (& Java) can pull in graphics from other sources (often just a single pixel that goes unnoticed). That lets a spammer know that there is a human reading your email address; which makes the address more valuable to other spammers. Then there is the accident factor. Some folks (me for example) are so clumsy that sometimes we click where we didn't mean to. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 12:53:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F64E428A2 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:53:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7070740E67 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.41.138] ([unknown] [152.75.163.250]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MHG00FU1ENOE865@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:40:37 -0600 (CST) References: From: "M. Secrest" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:40:34 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] '72 TR6 Clutch, Flywheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Winter project underway. New clutch, for one thing. Is the TRF Magic Clutch the only best possibility still? Not interested in doing the clutch twice, but it is a pricey kit. Also, are there supposed to be locking tabs on the flywheel bolt heads? There were none on disassembly. Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 12:53:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D7C4292E for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:53:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB08240EA9 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:49:49 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=8dyORkAEHZUA:10 a=0jQF6thL04IuSIP_9rwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id ED/16-01431-A3879015; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:44:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Bob'" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org>, Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:45:03 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac3+/kn7PfqJUV/mSP61JD+v556bqwAI4ITA Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide > variety of Mail List user email names....... did the list get > hacked and email addresses grabbed? I don't think so. And I also don't think others on the list got infected (this time). Instead, I believe the hackers are breaking into email accounts and then using them to send their spam to every address in the contact list. All of the recent messages have been from just 2 or 3 ISPs (whom I believe are not as careful about user account security as they might be). But that's just a SWAG. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 12:57:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFB1428E0 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:57:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0EE427E7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uKlC1k0020S2fkCA1Ks9hp; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:52:09 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uKs91k0022xZMJ48VKs9zj; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:52:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:52:09 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Jeff Lee <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> s=q20121106; t=1359575529; bh=X4av+kV2soJeuXE7KMQU5Jn/oNxGtNkFPmoz5PQUH9g=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=G6x5dGIwx6mEAcvMmBLpZwdIXAclVnCD73C3VudgiFD+rFnOC2K9TEXCjWljo3Xfy EZMlu65QYExT3V1ppCrfzOdGBckV4U6GLQdW1zSoDKWYGSOjTBvvfFN37KFg2gR+// sgVM1eLIjTnOB167wMkjyQK8GVvnjNNMRgXWa7Rqxgktnmd1BEe3DcWQyQTtgLUf7M OtVyer4pD4ZBg5QZA8A2m93N++wJNwBDp1XfFo7nIfuhtlBxxASA43z1AcUDAGpbhX PItEQd79rREhhysZfcfSBM7Qj9YBVZ7D/8EIzU97/bOBTPIypBMG/nkxP2KTgi0lIu RGQyOQpyD8KyA== Cc: list Subject: Re: [TR] penetrating oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I buy Fluid Film at the local John Deere dealer. I use it every fall all over the chassis of the Suburban. Seems that GM can find good paint for the body but not for the frame. Right next to a perfect underbody is a frame with no paint on it at all. I have never tried Fluid Film for bolt-and-nut removal. PB Blaster has worked fine for me. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Lee" <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> > To: "list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:16:23 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] penetrating oil > A friend turned me on to a can of Fluid Film about 4 months ago. This > stuff > is great!! It was developed for the navy many years ago. I have not > found a > stuck corroded rusty nut it could not free yet. It bubbles and leaves > behind > rust preventative. Has a bit of a funky smell, but don't they all? > It's made > of wool oil. > > http://www.fluidfilmsalesusa.com/about/ > > It can be purchased from Grainger: > > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/FLUID-FILM-LubricantCorrosion-Inhibitor-10N7 > 83?gclid=CNa5hbaukLUCFQVgMgodXW4AFg&cm_mmc=PPC:GooglePLA-_-Fleet%20and%20Vehi > cle%20Maintenance-_-Automotive%20Chemicals-_-10N783&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=10 > N783&ef_id=jQ1Pvjkur28AAFBB:20130130150949:s > > NFI > The "List" rocks! thanks guys > Jeff Lee > 63 TR4 22144 > Easley, SC > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 12:59:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26C8428BB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:59:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB44D427E7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:58:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uJ6u1k0071smiN4A2Ktz71; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:53:59 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uKty1k00x2yr1eL8gKtyMX; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:53:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1359575639; bh=pO7juRUpim72Cq/6RfJPPgvlQ4dGEAhQrT5HApLEOyE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=m0LTvlVwaw2Lw7n9KD6O8y7ngJD8b/DHuYbRIkDX//QxgNo69oGNgWlyo2rlAdG2+ W58zxAS7TAiHD/6e44zAS+IHmjYefwkRiDTfnsiWD3OwaC2Ne7thetNCEPI+sgD0wn LxXL01gxk0Eku/cZ5wwk/34WHLxd4p8hQx0/Z9bRYMozOumTqT9C+EsR2kK5XkXCyG SkHcyTUEA/MFzrZWKFsWlOU/8V968CGkS39juque3wWKRUMfVdSiE5MDf9toyPOvvt EqpQvmruxPypUM93efyY37+2nq/2W7VB/5QA07UYZVJu3+WMz/z5zo79ruqDQsSQZT bTVMTWkF61oaQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First on the list: Don't put anything in the address book of a Microsoft mail program! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org>, triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:45:03 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] More Bad Links > > I'm getting hit with a ton of these "bad links" from a wide > > variety of Mail List user email names....... did the list get > > hacked and email addresses grabbed? > > I don't think so. And I also don't think others on the list got > infected > (this time). Instead, I believe the hackers are breaking into email > accounts and then using them to send their spam to every address in > the > contact list. All of the recent messages have been from just 2 or 3 > ISPs > (whom I believe are not as careful about user account security as they > might > be). > > But that's just a SWAG. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 16:10:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C408428B8 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:10:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6D240E9B for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 23:04:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 23:04:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 23:04:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 21069 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 23:04:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359587055; bh=MXOTA+lqKJe9GtV1zEbz5KbaKF8UXqCpwWT1eFSbvZY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WLZEopsWL4Blt19E0MPTOcG4gmk4/O+MjQcEnHKnCfZacQ88v31Q9hp4RpK0n5odCfcD5UOVgWx46MrXnWK+rhIvINtA7BrYCmQlhiklBZrJPFi8WuTGnxGuDVkqtJ52sHbk6QtNz8Ad+cIEm7hqslOmgXM3cyLSFflGh7pj008= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XWFKpxdzbZ2empLZ0E+7IWuq4uu2UP2JtzHuOorotfFTzTspB+cNMLQ8QVqah24HKgMUAGVV9Tf7TX3Dr0gMUoJ2wXODEeTLhxCahu1Q+ZS9aAbow7KnxFktW2I+RKFGupisxGKRokU+hiO8P7HnagFko324ymXMHwcrgTxubgM= ; wJj51T37O_qT2o9iTmc9o0LsbnJq646KS67y3fOaIg71gldUBZYNMLKQLhLn K0UdpoZtpIz3u0hbrHslJdmSurNaTmt9gKCeyuJ7N0SpCGc5rscGzrQkI2Y_ 0mmBP3PotEreOv4sZiiUgQwKnp5Xodm64QYluo4QKCtSCovI0meZTbmt_42L TXRdClN35dMDfBIP4CvpDgzMkviyRYH4NI7_cIkgUV98OHPGKlOk7YTMfdw3 aCWghOb9I8mXQ7wdFQ71EeTDQK3vj7B5gwNMOLKAw29Wn5cyxgX5UxeTxhX2 WP9__b.0XC804SCyz24gw0wwnmrJVIM7nKJM_7JlURNSu.X2Ud19A9vT9rKe qwjZEFbe1kYgaPePr4Bvah98ZaWCEdyGE3zLDPyd6cKkz8bGeOc99aW2skVL Lx2AJ1xCOH44ykEHalg0kJFWXkFRbRdI58HIfrS3u_rPtAZFKu6TF4HV_gZK gr_CEHcc5e3K_KDGWcYEk4K6VBvS5OSFvo7CZYhjzqs6tchgwEogQzdSlhvK lAuQc Received: from [186.104.235.58] by web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:04:15 PST Y2hlY2sgdGhpcyBwYWdlIG91dCBodHRwOi8vbXNuLm5iY25ld3MuY29tLWltNy5uZXQvZmluYW5jZS8KCkplZmYBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Lee <63trumpster@bellsouth.net> To: list Subject: [TR] list hey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net check this page out http://msn.nbcnews.com-im7.net/finance/ Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 16:51:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8FF428E0 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:51:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D470240EA4 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170116pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MHG00511Q0OKHJ8@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:46:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from 71.127.35.38 ([71.127.35.38]) by vznit170116 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:46:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:46:00 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: moira.secrest@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] '72 TR6 Clutch, Flywheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Martin, Really curious on this myself, I have a 72 TR6 and have been looking at the Magic Clutch with the uprated Koyo bearing. We shall see the wisdom of the list. Craig On 01/30/13, M. Secrest wrote: Winter project underway. New clutch, for one thing. Is the TRF Magic Clutch the only best possibility still? Not interested in doing the clutch twice, but it is a pricey kit. Also, are there supposed to be locking tabs on the flywheel bolt heads? There were none on disassembly. Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 16:57:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE381428FF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:57:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E2D428BF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 23:52:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.251] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 23:52:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 23:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 69493 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2013 23:52:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359589926; bh=TWxfW3ZG+wWLhj07yiVyp8TUDGQ8XlejrkVLjjbxGhY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nc9Mq9S9zdPyWTP+ltxP0aZn+JlvvPek1th9dm0jxDNjTV8J2Rl0eluRpWr8mC578So5lps2k8aYkfCVZ+fvtDTmvg6BPk0K9I4VXzD3RNpz0VW7Q36MjLLDiaZCz5HeZ+drgNDF7ZkZ4P8grB5cf5QkWy0NZfZCiUIK1t9BIKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wTMktujd1sefzDpdnXWet1pLVgctppLiUcOD1Yu7mfmHmVlb9QI9cSXafdE4eaZxU1lOh5KLAWJpcq2NJm2wxS8Yd3o6hnw0NKHaQukfk9dJhxMWjeBIKspynCOLS+HKgLYv/HYWoUnEKlyWZNWN5q8Nxtaa/Zh+/iXEQkDyw+U= ; bHin1UaP5ffdFACQ1LPvlpQhNgPfbYMa0Pkvn7L0pFtxp4ur6z1qWcoyUkUn kum2XBBDXkyl5R3RAi9m.joi2Y8BGBMnCcOCn1V5f4vl2CBc8RiQ3btoIDBb .vbvWw8WHsi22hS1jmI8wJbYcd0WbqdFhWrSnYZ6zip6LVQ4JuYmLMiduSbw ukU9NdHeBew7xMQQJuLiQIbGYPkiGw74h.vHB6AI_htAnlEGbTOT9pUokzcd RVOs0NBgqe9mkFwrvMB7TLJO6ui3MQQVwikl9nsoUrluOwGw.0C2_mu6Tkgt fR2kYMQ4PI67QK9jApjGG.3X1tqXseYy4W.ZKi58WWeIe0Fx4EIUZDiYpEAl w_i3yVJhMJ_5stCr8xQSSifOOz5hgUFW2dqfoeE9Ip2ao5sBJBTytD_O8wlC ljEXs4WquofAvHN0W_F4- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:52:06 PST b2ggTWFyawppdHMgbm90IHlvdXIgZmF1bHQKeW91ciB0aGUgZ29vZCBndXkgaW4gYWxsIHRoaXMKaXRzIHVzIGR1bWIgKiYlIGNsaWNraW5nIHRoZSBsaW5rIDotKQoKRnJvbTogTWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lzIDxtYXJrQGJyYWRha2lzLmNvbT4KVG86IFRyaXVtcGhzIDxUcml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD47IG1ncyA8bWdzQEF1dG94LlRlYW0uTmV0PjsgU3BpdGZpcmVzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMzAsIDIwMTMgMzozNyBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIERyYXQBMAEBAQE- References: <5109AEC8.5080100@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Mark J Bradakis , Triumphs , mgs , "Spitfires@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Drat. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net oh Mark its not your fault your the good guy in all this its us dumb *&% clicking the link :-) From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs ; mgs ; Spitfires@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: [TR] Drat. I really need to get some filters set up to keep that crap from hijacked emails getting through. My apologies for not doing it sooner. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 18:17:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F7A428F7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:17:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB4E40515 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:17:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 01:12:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.124] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 01:12:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 01:12:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359594742; bh=qO98Fm7Whvs7VDpVd4KtRN01n4HXmrYOulDS2KZKnLQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4P/jNxzwKqKjRaCAd3ypX1F7Yg/7qUG7LFLCn9lw+7ung2+a37u11a+1kcL4OCMt3usnDuxrors6auOLzZjFJ0LLy3Ke537BWmkdZwR0psYPIBKL8oJK+L9iaYywGSu8TwWeEh+Y1as2uwLyOJsbwYfileG2LuVmURatMipbxwY= VxwN4wPxgGXAcq_VvdVOEW.SCkOVo1herLMzGcqRgN5JhI9HJmXrUprvHuV5 ipj0IFYgctB9td4yhCgr7ukcLfPxXUKRVmPjUVuncoprP4hiJnRWHgNKSKIA KmbG7zgdFWKPZkIEH1JdVuaXESGMLLxDLzLDkHRhBBhJjC51zfZ57yPsbW5. bQfRfBeS27eAccMihkdpp241fEJ5vzmeeiUnCCnVL6ifRID6hTjcGFnwir7w qSM6ccveJ6v.RsbkOquZnSmvqcN2jiMaTAhIP_fYLugAttNbQ4uwhq0cKA9h k2Db7HEBP8imE9A6rE0A7CstSu90a1tfqfHMh1tSGbK0XqLCXFkBJPSVx.Ay oPF1B2MsgDWSnbCAW_LfoIbknIOjkMjOTCKZOS7Imkf2Yhn6DAP6wNv0zzZn hGw4An8PJoDyKd_8ZWm1zapXxM0vFoKzNBwmzL2LLu.KurummVCZX2Cq5t6h YwN_ACUebOKjm.Ys- Received: from [192.168.1.105] (triumph74tr6@98.184.159.169 with plain) by smtp203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2013 17:12:22 -0800 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:12:17 -0600 From: triumph74tr6 To: thenicholls@verizon.net, moira.secrest@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] '72 TR6 Clutch, Flywheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had that parts combo in my '76 for 10 years....love it....no issues. Chad in Tulsathenicholls@verizon.net wrote:Martin, Really curious on this myself, I have a 72 TR6 and have been looking at the Magic Clutch with the uprated Koyo bearing. We shall see the wisdom of the list. Craig On 01/30/13, M. Secrest wrote: Winter project underway. New clutch, for one thing. Is the TRF Magic Clutch the only best possibility still? Not interested in doing the clutch twice, but it is a pricey kit. Also, are there supposed to be locking tabs on the flywheel bolt heads? There were none on disassembly. Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 19:01:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C67428E5 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:01:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7F040EA3 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:01:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902DDA0ACF for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:58:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:58:38 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] '72 TR6 Clutch, Flywheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have to relate a story about the TRF clutch kit. Actually this may be in the archives, I wrote about it at the time it happened, as I recall. So I'm working at Bailey's and this one particular TR6 needed some clutch work. I convinced the owner that the TRF Magic Kit was the way to go, he agreed, we got the parts. I installed them, buttoned everything up and started the car. The shop was filled with this hideous screeching. Shut it off, back on the lift, checking the hydraulics, pushrods and such. Nothing obvious, fire it up, again the screeching. We did what we could from outside the bellhousing, nothing made a difference. Bit the bullet and pulled out the gearbox once again. Close inspection showed the pressure plate fingers were NOT running against the face of the throwout bearing, but the edge of the bearing carrier. On the phone with TRF straight away, and probably a message or two to this list. Turns out that the pressure plate they sent us was not the correct one. But they had no idea, because it had been boxed wrong wherever it had been made. So TRF was not to blame, but they took the responsibility. Sent us the proper part overnight at their expense. I checked, double checked and checked again that it was the proper part. Installed it, got it all back together, worked great. Now the folks at TRF, being the car people they are, know what it takes to install a new clutch. They weren't willing to just cover all the extra labor costs involved in installing the wrong part. What they did do was give the owner of the car a nice credit towards parts. I convinced him that he should spend it on the bits to get the gearbox rebuilt, as there were some issues with it I noticed before. Anyway, the clutch and tranny are still going strong. TRF showed great character in handling the situation. Yes, the owner did end up paying us a bit more than he should have, I worked a modest number of hours without charge, Bailey's lost a bit in labor charges, but it seemed like a very reasonable end to the entire affair. Way to go TRF! mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 30 22:36:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD50428E7 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:36:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA5140E83 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:35:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uV1a1k0010b6N64A2VWpbt; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:30:49 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.21.162.38]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uVWi1k00W0q0jTL8PVWnMR; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:30:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:30:41 -0800 From: Eric Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1359610249; bh=M1CNvZIOBoj5v9I+AfqQW5gpnHy9uJmEKmLLTM18Yj0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=L586qLlcOWUyne1QThdErtDlWkY4N5ois2Je37/QlQJwhD0x3bZCXU29awHfj2kKs pU5euw3iM5/7PM4jAqP7QYNV2uwOOQbPnzUp/mmxdaJdqio3UBO/1gL0bI5OFSYx16 +iWHh3aXFOKsHHX+GS7yCcwTHb469iG4Sem4u/uiQDyLCK2uWf2b61hTpahRN034v6 i+gzMTCSHVq7Z2DpS6ijpKP7MAOUp9g8KfUO5+IbG1XeTsVi5vNoCnYLF+KZvrm5IQ A1Dkv04x9C893aULBjFGTfBnqnky/B6YHnLAkQNmIyXaWAzNTKqSc7lS6KF15QtKgy bbL6TBVvInXeg== Subject: Re: [TR] '72 TR6 Clutch, Flywheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I did my 4A ten years ago I went with the Sachs pressure plate (which I believe comes from the Saab 900) and the Koyo bearing. I recall both being much less expensive than the magic clutch and so far so good on my car (although I've only put maybe 5,000 miles on it in ten years...) Here's some more info http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/clutch/ReliableClutch/ReliableClutch.htm -Eric Miller '65 4A On 1/30/2013 11:40 AM, M. Secrest wrote: > Winter project underway. New clutch, for one thing. Is the TRF Magic Clutch > the only best possibility still? Not interested in doing the clutch twice, > but it is a pricey kit. > > Also, are there supposed to be locking tabs on the flywheel bolt heads? There > were none on disassembly. > > Martin Secrest > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ebuzzmiller@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 31 14:18:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EAB42963 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:18:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8308442957 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:13:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ul8x1k00B53lu5001l8yXA; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:08:58 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:07:46 -0600 Subject: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an umbrella stand. umbrella blew over, stand base broke. its concrete. its one long jagged break. anyone know of a good way to glue/patch/put it back together? thanks and sorry for the totally off topic post ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 31 18:41:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB214056B for ; 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