From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 16:33:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8873D42833 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:33:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576FE40530 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:06:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.88] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:06:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 33585 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2013 23:06:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362179167; bh=vDmQ2O51yII8OmsNaPo2Wwo5vI/grvkS8jEz0FSPHPM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mZy7E95bcEstIOVeNNDB9nOHCvb3lxDM7EBnPsyaJMFNd5fj+grCd9FoTV/y5XyKg251RKPHl9EFo8Ox8HQXV4gkiWtd29oWvdSpsHOY72vRm1uskWBUmLIvOOBsMwNwVvY8RHq0cZXlUP4al+AHxb//siJoJ7oBdJbBVVF86Z8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i7Psnj4mCeYGFBQS63fmtU+puDrtQMCAqOxBLC9cTAu8n2txv9Hxlm2LVfeOA+leGL8fgYfapp7gJxs47D5PHS8MLm6BXV2mEQ9F7LpekbEJBYrV6D3eGOqk8D7THTEKRdhTCRC3hiAqfI6WnYamyGyTtrWq7IlTj77PUPy/wCc=; 3auirjaIgEWjdtVHiieKQ Received: from [108.199.51.6] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:06:07 PST CgrCoMKgwqDCoCBJIHdva2UgdXAgYSBUUjMgdGhhdCBoYWQgYmVlbiBzaXR0aW5nIGluIGEgZmllbGQgZm9yIDExIHllYXJzLiBSYWNjb29ucyBoYWQgaGFkIGtpdHRlbnMgaW4gdGhlIHBhc3NlbmdlcnMgZm9vdHdlbGwgKHRoZSBoYXJkdG9wIHdhcyBzdGlsbCBvbikuIEJlZm9yZSBpdCBhcnJpdmVkIGF0IHRoZSAicmFuIHdoZW4gcGFya2VkIiBzcG90LCBpdCBoYWQgYmVlbiBzaWRlIHN3aXBlZCBvbiB0aGUgNDA1IGZyZWV3YXkgaW4gTEEsIHJhbiBvZmYgdGhlIHJvYWQgYW5kIHJvbGxlZCBvbnRvIGl0cyABMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Waking a Sleeping Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I woke up a TR3 that had been sitting in a field for 11 years. Raccoons had had kittens in the passengers footwell (the hardtop was still on). Before it arrived at the "ran when parked" spot, it had been side swiped on the 405 freeway in LA, ran off the road and rolled onto its side in the fireweed stuff that grows on the side of the SoCal freeways. After I got the car home and knowing nothing about Triumphs, I rebuilt the fuel pump, replaced the plugs and wires, squirted oil in the cylinders, changed the oil, fixed a radiator leak, poured in some gas, got out a spare battery, hotwired it and it fired up pretty quickly. It backfired a rats next out the exhaust which took out the expansion chamber on the muffler. I took the car for a low speed test drive. The tach and oil pressure gauges still worked. About 2 miles from my house the car stopped when the rust in the gas tank plugged the lines. I should have known better than to try that. I drove the car with that engine, trans and brakes for almost 10 years before doing any serious rebuilding. Tough little cars these are. 21 years later the car still runs great and is the best car that I have ever had. http://www.flickr.com/photos/39699927@N08/8518944877/in/photostream -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 17:18:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D3F42836 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:18:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0D1427CE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:58:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 57063 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2013 23:50:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362181854; bh=gHFdQcW+5Q0UR0RilAjRHWb4xxzTbYxjkqqoE7EukNU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CWiedu7A4EteJ1ky5fQYxf8P1ENTSpjCIa7nFYmrvnq48/QpoJTU2uktjEm/LdTghkvp256QntLxUHDOz6CYRwaYZdkuGIsK3DP6EUVQh8KyikzCQxpnkc07caZOJy5+mKaMBWImD+aoBbFFZXK2hqD+Ido7+DE5mSrJbwTaDq8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3w25aju2fpyZvIztSRjLOtk0Oj9HK+rof+xJrWVvB9L2aBxaMk3nf+busr56MEvSqIE9mAkM/siS/Pe0hLDNH0Cj/rYAC76bbUFCDq5HmyiUWZRbP2i5a/DinEhkh6bpe5/V6mdDFpd3NM81fAM22F3TaKRB0XY3ghlvv31Ns24=; smbj_kbxCl0reGBn9Au76wJLrtLdnz448kOYMQ70oSfsQTNv6y9qKsYGwuE_ wNV6PyKX3Ihe4LjEo_J4Nd4LrGmrMruhec4zvpacFN5wrDzAutVO1RvvAjE7 2EQlle_XEvKl1COf9nzmr.UxBBaGfG4uUvjpqcDxbBvFhl2qjCC3EyKAeWGU 72_oSmSHY8vRvf7reyS0xRwndUOje4fFPZFtCMj20VBxErt4e.2qx.PQDSVt 3egVT_2r1nQfiBObY3j4_d4DjgI6Cd4nkRnS0om4zxK8CNetrqYLkXqYG_qe dVco.99umzlK0xt.icF36FjOCLsyOuxfa3wB2RGmXN0oic9cPipp12hVJwzX DsHy2cQUnl_Ot0d7k1cd58HEXPyuZomQkyr4OFgfnmA_X4Y_pwDVnHae2XaU UE8FDDFUOJnY3dCG0OevvJDj4kMQQHl3Dso.8p6fF6LWBtyfox2rITylk Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:50:54 PST c2hlIGdlbmVyYWxseSBlbGJvd3MgbWUgaW4gdGhlIHJpYnMuCmJ1dCB0aGlzIG1vcm5pbmcgaXQgd2FzIGp1c3QgYSBzdWNrZXIgcHVuY2guCmF0IGxlYXN0IHNoZSBicm91Z2h0IHNvbWUgdGVhLgppIHBvdXJlZCBpdCBkb3duIG15IHRocm9hdCB0byBsdWJlIHRoZSBzbW9rZXIgY291Z2guCmJ1dCBpdCBkaWRuJ3QgaGVscCB3aXRoIHRoZSBiYWNrZmlyaW5nLgphIHdhc2ggYW5kIHdheCBhbmQgaSB3YXMgcmVhZHkgZm9yIHdvcmsuCm1hZGUgc3VyZSBpIHRvcHBlZCB1cCB3aXRoIG9uZSBtb3JlIHF1YXJ0IG8BMAEBAQE- References: <1362179167.29590.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:50:54 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a Sleeping CarP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net she generally elbows me in the ribs. but this morning it was just a sucker punch. at least she brought some tea. i poured it down my throat to lube the smoker cough. but it didn't help with the backfiring. a wash and wax and i was ready for work. made sure i topped up with one more quart of tea for the ride. ran ok most of the day but at this age its always sluggish! Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 08:32:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07C542895 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:32:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456AF42848 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id j8so312695qah.6 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 07:00:35 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=496rZ7nOinxguvIxf8Da5zWu3KfnBRz9GprooQ8VMCg=; b=TafwwGVDWZ45fhtejT5tf+z6G5DuM1l4r8lm+WT4gVsW5xtCGMRNoiwcMgsDWVRuoh JqpguONJOP1eTCtJSmaMn5xBDNyQz4ji8vorT3xO+2LCWHp3UhMWtlGt4LX9i3IZfFmk 8zaj9KEYthSZbDqImklr0YX/r8FrCjZ7rRWr04UHMzOyzMYWuQsHR/R9jYd4qapowclr hB9H/K9GPGK0w2m516Q/zHptb/itqn8OM19TONTj6pRbiG/Tr4Ip8vgPQNhRj9upou4/ A7NDRQfzwW4tke3i0hq3ywlKDQv5DlKB8pcW85N/+sgPP01MwT5m8o0qZueuf6m9OLe7 prxw== ch5mr25760717qab.27.1362236435719; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 07:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adsl-98-84-143-206.gsp.bellsouth.net. [98.84.143.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5sm26120031qao.12.2013.03.02.07.00.34 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Mar 2013 07:00:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Gaines To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After finishing the HVDA tranny conversion on my TR6 (loving it so far!) I now have to get back to the Spitfire differential rebuild I started 3 years ago, before retirement. I may not pull that off by myself, but at some point I have to revive the poor engine that I have neglected most of that time (the guilt is terrible). My question is, what do I do with the 7 or 8 gallons of gas in the tank? Tim Gaines Clinton, SC 1974 TR6 1980 Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:18:56 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car One, of course, is never run the old gas. Even if it starts, it will varnish everything in sight to some degree. While you're at it, stick a magnet in the gas tank to see if it collects a pod of rust. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 09:01:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2B6428AA for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:01:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFDF424D8 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 08:41:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2013 15:34:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2013 15:34:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2013 15:34:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362238458; bh=UnKv9Z+cMGnD0jiSdsNVNJTG16k7xdMtBy2RmSMsSNA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Tvk0hxksrHE0unR9xx1267D78jspRSl+1B4XHBasP+MdGnM3zcxJT914ItrZ+7dDFU4WwVlRv6S9FPwmJLfM6d8MKYq4NG4/pryjVmlkb/gKTJLY1llLvmQmz7gH/WEKHoG8xixBhy7GUG0zjnIS4iQTFGBMBCYx5dk1adigOFA= bbW46ExzmgVG3Ti1KrE3l3fKlFtgEy_gXoOP6MrlVOt.5cq1WYxMezsNhWSV mOzSYzsaI2ywcL_KJvoghN718sAaFsycLzkbka.mu3KqGoCuOr5m3ngB1aVP t4YMteAcInVbxIi3QYO4Pblvf1MgJLePucUYYAf_uUzidra40bGZIBFACkMy Gf45nqMPV5n99ew69EHMOxjomU7kZdEUaX8e.s4qhpaU85VbM99TaEmNjLAL N8Cnf7qwIOZTimcuSu58kfmnIb8xWJPhk39PmcgeTmK1pBCYH0RhOaZSG9M4 Ik6VdwPRxG.0Vug4Ryax7VzLwL3NnFre5GbYM6dqbaTGYHVZU3zzVMfo6nTw CGzyC9IAT.SWB6Ab121ouW3sD4Y.xNLf07Es6GoPAODU2ubX_uzdge5QOTbX Ynejte9aaD7UVWUxPb7Q8PNWIPVe__iqKYf9iyqxITgK2anEVlCmVSQSuk3F ptVFWbMfdp7zuGMx__6UnbwIPpHEReb75wnVnVCdWzbmbpPFq3nMilAhvffh B3MOnwZPgWAR93vEc1rprHFVruQ-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Mar 2013 07:34:18 -0800 PST From: To: "'Tim Gaines'" , Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:34:15 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4XWjaMFfp/IpuLQHy6o65ekFv6WQAAEuIg Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a similar problem when I took posession of a long-dormant TR3 last year, BTW, new gas and it fired right up. Didn't want to dump it and the local recycle only take oil. I mixed it some of the old fuel 50/50 in the lawnmower. After determining that would would work in a lawnmower, I poured the balance into a half-full tank in the '68 Land Rover, low compression/low performance engine. The LR sure stunk for a couple of weeks and performance suffered about 15% but I was able to use it up. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car After finishing the HVDA tranny conversion on my TR6 (loving it so far!) I now have to get back to the Spitfire differential rebuild I started 3 years ago, before retirement. I may not pull that off by myself, but at some point I have to revive the poor engine that I have neglected most of that time (the guilt is terrible). My question is, what do I do with the 7 or 8 gallons of gas in the tank? Tim Gaines Clinton, SC 1974 TR6 1980 Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:18:56 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car One, of course, is never run the old gas. Even if it starts, it will varnish everything in sight to some degree. While you're at it, stick a magnet in the gas tank to see if it collects a pod of rust. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 13:35:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568344291A for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:35:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33D0428F9 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3B5EC38000076 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.1]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B3965E000081 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:12:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:12:03 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362255124; bh=zp8dHQFyOA5l+rE8asd0Lq30KYrnT82G4wgGZ7Am6ME=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qeNFv/QhECW+E1CuKOnytKz09AC6XxpVxlkjm+/84yqq6TZPknwkMX4e2KKGZcMjc 00/IfSHqU2CtSKaXAjIRjrYgflN5KWUdKRVOFjKiIcp0ubLQGxHQpf96J+7TkNz+Pz nRLyuuUZIcZ5bZZRVbRN4VYdiV4Wvo5M4LYaZMoA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951325d1370bb Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had about 7 or 8 gallons of old, rusty gas in a TR7 I parted out. I filtered the gas through coffee filter material and added it to the tank of my TR6 about half a gallon at a time just after a fillup. I was loath to put it in my Oldsmobile for fear of clogging the injectors. In the TR6 the worst that could happen is I would have to rebuild my carbs (which are due anyway since I haven't rebuilt them since 1996). At any rate the TR6 was quite happy with it and it was put to good use. I wound up with about a gallon of the nastiest, rust laden gas in the end and donated it to a friend for lighting his annual Halloween bon fire. Dave In a message dated 3/2/2013 9:25:06 AM Central Standard Time, mtgaines@presby.edu writes: > My question is, what do I do with the 7 or 8 gallons of gas in the tank? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 09:17:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFB540452 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:17:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335A24044B for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [71.178.195.81]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ3004KQD21L220@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:44:26 -0600 (CST) References: Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 10:44:23 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR6 Throwout Bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found a nice deal on a LUK "Rep Set" clutch kit on eBay and got it for my 72 TR6. Seems like a good kit. Included is a throwout bearing, and I'm wondering if its good enough to put in the car. It has this marking: RHP UK 14/W 2 1/16. Do we have any knowledge of or good things to say about this bearing? Thanks. Martin Secrest Arlington, VA 72 TR 6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 09:47:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6083D40438 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:47:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1574042E for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 73Xx1l00817UAYkA14JuNp; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:18:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([76.127.105.57]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 74Js1l00Y1EKKmL8Z4Jtw2; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:18:53 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:18:52 -0800 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1362327534; bh=7BUB901O8NYj7zloZ1W6pqskeElpYaso3fe1Qj55DaM=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=DIiJE1c7dhMXbN/muogw8HPCYkwKac/J9TFwnQJcpSVYdXPIFmn7NAKA8D8HjhFdW xCRDlpKNTv8o/qfKGwnP+cAzfAKbvKSY8bhmizRO9b+/40WNA6WZOx0JbvQLe/eii9 ugNMPLDQtRFmGgLq4p/P8cl/9F6p0UNgSRrnVI0q+29ZuJSciMtZMLyHj+qnKWNdu4 +dE7PYebTDKwBlT6ZE4Kp4QW0hveJX6u/DLc5DRLYAdXPguyd33kHd783QIGFwDlMT bZMpzsHtUAHxsBVs0i3YFuzxwRBwQDyRYJ+gOkrc1AInACId6HKgzbWR1W+W3je9vH 7AcM2xXDx2EyA== Subject: [TR] A little off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net But b& During Triumphest/VTR at San Luis Obispo b& Someone came up a drink called "Coventry", naturally it contained Gin, but what were the rest of the ingredients that made it very drinkable ?? Thanks b& even the best Gin tastes awful alone ... "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 10:17:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ECE4043D for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:17:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1A640433 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130303165441.PYZQ25001.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:54:41 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id 74ug1l00D4qRjhw014ugB3; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:54:41 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=e_qpeYDrCasA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=jkGXNrlOC7kDAUC7pwUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'William Pugh'" , "'TR3/6'" References: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:54:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4YLczdGNsMcxBjTyakTTXR5KB3xAAAe0ww Subject: Re: [TR] A little off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, we were all too drunk to remember! :) Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Pugh Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:19 AM To: TR3/6 Subject: [TR] A little off topic But b& During Triumphest/VTR at San Luis Obispo b& Someone came up a drink called "Coventry", naturally it contained Gin, but what were the rest of the ingredients that made it very drinkable ?? Thanks b& even the best Gin tastes awful alone ... "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 10:48:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FF2424C5 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:48:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D3E40433 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:24:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 70Hj1l0070xGWP8535HUH2; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:17:28 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 75HU1l00K2ymm843Y5HUtV; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:17:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:17:28 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List s=q20121106; t=1362331048; bh=evEDrsa1usfOVB2I0tE6ABDgEEnfHVzsy5kmH3NBgNU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CJrpO+VaANxSYOZwk3oh31a7YHjANYOuzxRNTnmeQZukfRL0HboZLUKPRFPqDg3fC OCuxe77MffnFtAb9XOgB0PcQvFkJ2nTiQpdjEU3TXNWLypWqjDE1dC2+zi06gKvUYE ruwGIUsxORI/8vQD63K7zIQEz1/AvZcqHuKTElQsK7xVBa0CivrVo5yuZnZ8bpr7ki mlmGnXlUyFtjkrRD+lGaX6qxneXRBoVaL0E7PxVmS87rclUxNRKDEUzJ8Tl277tyFs pQBRWIazLGJhH984g18TMZH3ndyCV6C7GxU1IHOVEBDHeAUBSnE1UR1RE/1c94geBL hrFNAJI05NzLg== Subject: [TR] TR6 Door Lock removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been taking care of the "small" announces on my '70 TR6 that do not inhibit my driving, but have remained on the to do list for some time. One of them is the "privacy" door lock on the driver's side door. When I go to lock the door, the cylindar partially comes out of the hole in the door, but the door will lock. So, upon removing the door panel (back end at least) you can see the lock slide outward on the side that does not have the collar leg that is to secure the lock to the door. All I can figure is that I have 2 passenger side locks since the passenger side also only has one collar leg, but it is facing away frmo the door jam and therefore, with that on one side and the lock fork on the other, the two hold the lock steady in the hole. So, I need to remove the lock from the door to see of I can fix this. The problem I am facing is how to push in the collar leg so I can push out the lock cylindar through the hole. I canot hold it in tight enough with my one finger to allow it to slide and I canot for the life of me figure out what sort of tool to use that would hold this in while allowing the lock to slide out. I have tried a screw drive to press it in, but this did not work. The manula says use an appropriate tool, but I have no idea what this might be. Anyone BTDT that can help. TIA Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg,PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 11:19:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB25424B8 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:19:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E16F4043A for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:51:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 71s51l0041vXlb85F5kQZV; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:44:24 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 75kQ1l01L2xV5no3d5kQQ0; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:44:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:44:24 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1362332664; bh=icFa8qdESaQodNYuexnevTLuoX5rzeq2aSs3mJOSZRE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=l0ogShTctw0Uf05Wc3onX+loq0GsS2Rm+hsC4qmgjIPR8gBR7TsaFqt1eX2cErY+A KPRbJeqj4zCtvELlF7e8KQ5YxIj/gqP+ZHcW5W+JXJ8QZORdIU9sIDI4p8MCxWw7HD GjskaTokEkaclNTkpuyDel4Dj5/xIUe3L7h8CFFB+bWI5lRoUjxmTnEmqa+I2WTaSt Ita+VVHeeqAWMl8T7RuwnyvoC8yjOwoE4R/DqICM4mjey2kqbPhmx9UaZ3UzchFynI UsIpGXL9ePWcHHw+ArQjJtUJbD0cWJ7QRomvM3o2BBPMNj17ALtOANAN6negR34k05 GU2WzawXqo0vw== Subject: [TR] Dum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I realize that I am isolated and alone in the I-can-be-such-a-dope category. I've been daily driving my '59 TR3A for about 11 years now, since the ground up restoration of the racoon restroom it had become and remained for 25 years in a shed in Ossinee, NY. All the time driving, when I got caught in a summer rain, water leaked all over my pants. I thought, "My, that's a lot of water, even by LBC standards!" But you know, you give a nod to the Coventry god who is a quadruplet twin to Coyote, Loki, and Lucas. "It's just the way it is," I said to myself. "Must accept." This year, getting the car ready for spring, I thought, let's look again at those drain tubes to the scuttle and the battery. So I ordered them to replace them one way or another. When I went to install the drain tube to the scuttle, I checked the old one out. Seemed fine. "Yep, I thought, that's just the way it is. Stay wet but have fun." Then I traced the old scuttle tube to wherever it exited to cockpit through the bulkhead, so I'd get it right replacing it. Uhm...it did not exit the cockpit. Instead, it had been cut off to drain directly over my legs. And I am the DPO on this one. Dum dum dum. Good news? Installed properly, the drain tube may actually keep me somewhat relatively maybe partway dry this summer! Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 11:19:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D452842884 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:19:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADE040407 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:55:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 74rk1l0040vp7WLA25oR9V; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:48:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.81] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 75oQ1l0014L5TyG8R5oQW9; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:48:25 +0000 From: Bud R To: suhringtr36@comcast.net Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:48:23 -0700 References: <1055708723.76129.1362331048653.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1362332905; bh=d/AK39Y0gyr2SpPe+2SKb/hDcSvzlkLD3G6DfsbXk84=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=QQua58GesEyc259fxiKOabJL+TmNRQU9sFWm9Xj2m0Wbl+Tgtud1eEgE2suor4Ylh wdmZmxHCtSz2hvOX0Xsl3p4dEp96La1nAh9vKVzK5dFDzvbvR0Tij2FLtlwKA/x6o4 3Gm+4F4wWGoHS+pe3PJXwFeihI4HRGtBV5Z+mpbRwDNt5PUdRElFUx45EQ7Ns+Maq9 H3rQKEzNuc2uB9/93jqCZA3LB3uiR1FrMC2OucC5PHsboSmkP9GPmGuPRyBt0hqjic quyusB4309G2AJdAIj6oElNg4Zd2BB9T11b7yOol1njPAOj45vVmdIxMJvQZdL4tkT O5NZPZkDKIa5w== Cc: Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Door Lock removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like a job for small needle nose vise grip pliers. I use them to pull dust caps off wheels also. Or can you get a plastic wire tie on it to squeeze the collar leg while you push it out? Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 3, 2013, at 10:17 AM, suhringtr36@comcast.net wrote: > I have been taking care of the "small" announces on my '70 TR6 that > do not > inhibit my driving, but have remained on the to do list for some > time. One of > them is the "privacy" door lock on the driver's side door. When I > go to lock > the door, the cylindar partially comes out of the hole in the door, > but the > door will lock. So, upon removing the door panel (back end at least) > you can > see the lock slide outward on the side that does not have the collar > leg that > is to secure the lock to the door. All I can figure is that I have 2 > passenger side locks since the passenger side also only has one > collar leg, > but it is facing away frmo the door jam and therefore, with that on > one side > and the lock fork on the other, the two hold the lock steady in the > hole. So, > I need to remove the lock from the door to see of I can fix this. > The problem > I am facing is how to push in the collar leg so I can push out the > lock > cylindar through the hole. I canot hold it in tight enough with my > one finger > to allow it to slide and I canot for the life of me figure out what > sort of > tool to use that would hold this in while allowing the lock to slide > out. I > have tried a screw drive to press it in, but this did not work. The > manula > says use an appropriate tool, but I have no idea what this might > be. Anyone > BTDT that can help. TIA > > Scott Suhring > Mechanicsburg,PA > '70 TR6 > '59 TR3A > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 14:36:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E1A424C7 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:36:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070044042B for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:17:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ3004O7S4V1DH0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:10:23 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:10:07 -0500 Thread-index: Ac4YUv6E/V/n5jF5SQ28X3+5vMfXSA== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 steering collumn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Putting it back together - I forgot to make note of which end of the outer tube was at the top/bottom. One end has a pair of holes the other end has an indented ring. Thanks. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 14:52:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9749A4042E for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:52:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C19140430 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:27:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2013 21:19:51 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.105] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2013 21:19:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2013 21:19:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362345591; bh=yVH7eaIpS95TkZCmmUkqpdapIZE2TO5SQ47QrCD/meE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=F2QLI+qD9WbPLz6ISEglGTNVKgbviErmTLq3ma817JqBU4HlMS66mRUfA7dMB4eEaAjGzY0L4wl/eHIRwJI28xnuyy8tX4LIQ4lrLurSKOIFbyWI/YPyp9d5zgbbUxDm9AfrCXhAvcNfES2nf1GCg8t/bjmQUh9Z5nVRakhwCVA= iomQT.UDr0wmdn.7NXohmGwFLJSo5hAh3oVGnzowktd0Om3B.I6glBuwps7D W6NEe2Uz0ZrDbFcwv6ZiiPC96p9wEuoKwHAYRmE2rAw0B3Yp_K93WKZlkqED PHn0TybREJ4dc8cY6zk3JW333hTVoJo0UDIAjfKkYzoSYF8kGQjDsontLiKi NgkNVuaAELKTHjVZrovhmQoQQ7QK5X5eM4Ex0vBTyJ6_tSoNyn6w6a1BN41X CycMx5kU.PctDV4nnxlWeITfswiiVtkqMo8QpxvlGqNeZbaJP0wr7.tdbsY9 F7h4peZeHh_zA7sHkgMzT7uSNkeoClIiNR4_Wdsib6Tm1OBJz_8esCc6wryS qsW0RUu0RUV7k9N3k2OnJgXD32n_w9ZHKYkjwpqxfjcpp.LIPthK97Rmwkxd AJ3QzMaztmR71lbR9lZcq5hI32g.2vdZpQOgGfXXrq5fLc9FQyiHd_lJKDH8 DvKrkBHnYE_wt99_h Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Mar 2013 13:19:51 -0800 PST From: To: , Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:19:45 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4YOqcK9RIDaY88Q3+m3Bd89QogugAGY5jg Subject: Re: [TR] Dum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Noooo..... None of us have ever done anything dum when rebuilding our LBC. I once re-built my Hillman Minx engine and forgot the wristpin cir-clips. At last I informed the buyer that they were missing when I sold it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of terryrs@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:44 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Dum I realize that I am isolated and alone in the I-can-be-such-a-dope category. I've been daily driving my '59 TR3A for about 11 years now, since the ground up restoration of the racoon restroom it had become and remained for 25 years in a shed in Ossinee, NY. All the time driving, when I got caught in a summer rain, water leaked all over my pants. I thought, "My, that's a lot of water, even by LBC standards!" But you know, you give a nod to the Coventry god who is a quadruplet twin to Coyote, Loki, and Lucas. "It's just the way it is," I said to myself. "Must accept." This year, getting the car ready for spring, I thought, let's look again at those drain tubes to the scuttle and the battery. So I ordered them to replace them one way or another. When I went to install the drain tube to the scuttle, I checked the old one out. Seemed fine. "Yep, I thought, that's just the way it is. Stay wet but have fun." Then I traced the old scuttle tube to wherever it exited to cockpit through the bulkhead, so I'd get it right replacing it. Uhm...it did not exit the cockpit. Instead, it had been cut off to drain directly over my legs. And I am the DPO on this one. Dum dum dum. Good news? Installed properly, the drain tube may actually keep me somewhat relatively maybe partway dry this summer! Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 15:06:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2648240517 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:06:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF1340412 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:46:46 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dlu75s1qIUAA:10 a=ceBZs5Uw8icjtcrDMKwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55018] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 35/9B-06772-603C3315; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:39:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:39:19 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4YUv6E/V/n5jF5SQ28X3+5vMfXSAABGVKQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 steering collumn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Indented ring goes at the top, holds the felt bushing. Pair of holes go at the bottom, holds the steel/rubber/nylon bushing assembly. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 15:07:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F245A42483 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:07:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6150A40412 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:50:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ3003MNTNBNUV0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:42:51 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" References: <003301ce1853$7c107a90$74316fb0$@verizon.net> <35.9B.06772.603C3315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:42:47 -0500 Thread-index: AQJBGlfxwDOf5Q6HmPtHfa1kPiw+g5euet2Q Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 steering collumn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall... There is also a second metal bushing (solid - not split) that is still on the inner tube. Any guidance there? C -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:39 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net; ''Triumphs'' Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 steering collumn Indented ring goes at the top, holds the felt bushing. Pair of holes go at the bottom, holds the steel/rubber/nylon bushing assembly. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 16:20:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC3A40453 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:20:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4934042F for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL122-DS1 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:45:37 -0800 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" , Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:46:31 -0800 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:46:31 -0800 FILETIME=[D2EABFD0:01CE1860] Subject: [TR] TR6 Throwout Bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >I found a nice deal on a LUK "Rep Set" clutch kit on eBay and got it for my 72 >TR6 Seems like a good kit. >Included is a throwout bearing, and I'm wondering if its good enough to put in >the car. It has this marking: RHP UK 14/W 2 1/16. >Do we have any knowledge of or good things to say about this bearing? Thanks The RHP UK 14/W 2 1/16 is the best throwout bearing you can get. It is OE. Comes in all LUK sets for TR6. The kits also come with a new pilot bearing. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 17:06:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D84040517 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:06:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8538C40412 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [71.178.195.81]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ3002DUYNDSV10@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:30:50 -0600 (CST) References: From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:30:47 -0500 To: Peter Arakelian Cc: Listers Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Throwout Bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is what I like to hear! Thanks Peter. On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:46 PM, "Peter Arakelian" wrote: > > > >I found a nice deal on a LUK "Rep Set" clutch kit on eBay and got it for my 72 > >TR6 Seems like a good kit. > > >Included is a throwout bearing, and I'm wondering if its good enough to put in > >the car. It has this marking: RHP UK 14/W 2 1/16. > > >Do we have any knowledge of or good things to say about this bearing? Thanks > > > The RHP UK 14/W 2 1/16 is the best throwout bearing you can get. It is OE. > Comes in all LUK sets for TR6. The kits also come with a new pilot bearing. > > Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 17:08:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27E4424C7 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:08:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FFD4042F for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [71.178.195.81]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ300NSLZ640G90@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:42:05 -0600 (CST) References: From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:42:02 -0500 Cc: Listers Subject: [TR] 72 TR6 Gearbox Crossmember/Mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now that we've solved my TOB question, I have at least one more pertaining to the winter R&R of the gearbox on my 72 TR6. This car has the earlier molded flexible center crossmember support. It looks to me like the PO tried to refurbish it himself with some kind of injectable rubber, but it was too badly knackered to really tell. It seems this is a $70 part off the shelf, but is there another way to rehab this part? Once I cleaned up mine, the rubber is gone and I'm holding the two separate pieces. Martin Secrest Arlington VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 17:52:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813334044D for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:52:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D896D40424 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ4001UF18ZF220@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:27:14 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:26:59 -0500 Thread-index: Ac4YbjVHdN7MEJgxTYiuS3/mlG/fVg== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 steering column Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is the situation... The connector for the split steering column is 'stuck'. I tried everything I could think of to get it separated/removed from the inner column. I could remove the outer tube; the rubber portion of the bushing assembly and a split metal bushing as well as the two rubber O-Rings - all over the steering wheel end of the column. There is one solid metal bushing still on the inner column - not being able to slide it over the steering wheel end. (this was all done in about 2001) The O-Rings as I understand it are placed so that they split the inner column into thirds. I can get the rubber part of the bushing where it is supposed to go but can't figure out the split and solid bushing. Which one goes with the rubber part at the bottom end? and then, where does the other one go? It would seem that if I couldn't get the solid one off that the split one goes on the top end but it would also be possible to compress and slide the split one inside the other to the bottom end. Finally, the parts manual calls for two felt pieces at the top end but I can only see how one would fit between the indent I mentioned and the top of the column. To say the least - today has been a frustrating day. Although not part of the original plan, I will be ordering a replacement bushing (maybe with urethane insert) to replace the rubber one that was NOS but sitting in a drawer for 12 years and has cracked with all of the twisting and turning today. (Thoughts about urethane TRF#209423/u?) One other thought. I am not there yet, but should the control head be attached and wires fed through the stator tube before inserting into the column - or after? any guidance will be appreciated. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Indented ring goes at the top, holds the felt bushing. Pair of holes go at the bottom, holds the steel/rubber/nylon bushing assembly. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 18:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E50840517 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 18:21:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4C44042E for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:58:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ400A8J2CVR0B0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:50:59 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:50:55 -0500 Thread-index: Ac4YbxqFaKbU6jRmRIim51rQUp94Zg== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] The day was not completely lost Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Although today was mostly spent dealing with the steering column. I decided to look into a couple boxes that were sitting in the corner. I figured they were part of the project but had forgotten about them. Mostly it was used and not very useful bits, but buried in the bottom of one box were a pair of Al-fin brake drums still in the original packaging. date stamped 12-02-66. (I believe that would be feb 12 '66). The receipt was dated April 13, 1983 and they were purchased for $163.84 including tax/shipping. I had to install them immediately. images at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Al-fin%20Brake%20Drum/_094 0s.jpg Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 19:21:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BE64052F for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:21:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102024042E for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 01:57:32 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.205] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 01:57:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 01:57:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362362252; bh=RM8qpZgzqo874FpxMRM8DIS5lw5Zmban/iBPruWmemU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=rLbuEQY6LiADsAkFShU+Yy8m7EFFx0M3Fd0oAPOyEznO/PkFgCoHS2kVj19ciArr8CN+Q/swoezXmIEp0ht1avWZZ9rtCV7w8O7LnFut+SX3Vu7VhLlSDPZFFVFWu2XShWIPQKUwr9oz5FZj2txYcWMHIi5uwPC+/OuAQeQt42I= L_Ipv3puN1HJNWdKwMDBK7pOn06GafIwz9pJQHL0_DVYbneRScfjOHdkWhIo AT.Ejc6utIjFvxpLvIIpm_EcIAthwE4daUHdzjPW_CO.EsAjEiUHIy3EIV8. 9_muEDfSHrkEcVM0WWpwNxC9hGBbg4RlWg7jQ50TtN2BwBPjgZ4mJcZ._Gyp hZprukcADjF3.qU8z3WcHgP.4ai_9O9OCpYbo1o8A0oQZz8UrgrkSkl2go.x MwsMoY8Dr2K2siaKzPj0AK74LdKCIK.ZeSrE6GpOHfuEpl4iySjW3aJFpbdy DvySiK1eAUl53R9tNZOlesBunf6GdfMOIIQUGs8FBw0fklPM7trRfilQL76Y fnI6WZQmjoq6GL65eyOuEMb4Yb0XcslGh.6BNufpDuieoynf7Ea17xBAaEKl X8oZ_RZ8WpcA53xc4FT2dp7hHRAF1vUBsLNz.7.rk5w9g_rvZOq6jMoIvbbs _oO9ZtmLejK2ZWk2O9BjKnKflw9knFTyFG9UtgsbniX5xhXyYPuqLs02z5KM dhpfgn9.K0KhultpSOXFVe2QJ1bwoGTPDsH7cFFeneQ54x_G9A.8OtldfyzX p81ikIsJ9Co_hIByAbUnlbppsJQfJZp7SEL9ozK9UlBOAHuoH Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Mar 2013 17:57:32 -0800 PST From: To: , Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:57:23 -0600 Thread-index: Ac4YbjVHdN7MEJgxTYiuS3/mlG/fVgADSx9Q Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 steering column Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have always made up the control head complete and the fed the wires & tube through the steering column. Just seemed like the easiet way for me. Don't foret the olive! Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:27 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 steering column Here is the situation... The connector for the split steering column is 'stuck'. I tried everything I could think of to get it separated/removed from the inner column. I could remove the outer tube; the rubber portion of the bushing assembly and a split metal bushing as well as the two rubber O-Rings - all over the steering wheel end of the column. There is one solid metal bushing still on the inner column - not being able to slide it over the steering wheel end. (this was all done in about 2001) The O-Rings as I understand it are placed so that they split the inner column into thirds. I can get the rubber part of the bushing where it is supposed to go but can't figure out the split and solid bushing. Which one goes with the rubber part at the bottom end? and then, where does the other one go? It would seem that if I couldn't get the solid one off that the split one goes on the top end but it would also be possible to compress and slide the split one inside the other to the bottom end. Finally, the parts manual calls for two felt pieces at the top end but I can only see how one would fit between the indent I mentioned and the top of the column. To say the least - today has been a frustrating day. Although not part of the original plan, I will be ordering a replacement bushing (maybe with urethane insert) to replace the rubber one that was NOS but sitting in a drawer for 12 years and has cracked with all of the twisting and turning today. (Thoughts about urethane TRF#209423/u?) One other thought. I am not there yet, but should the control head be attached and wires fed through the stator tube before inserting into the column - or after? any guidance will be appreciated. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Indented ring goes at the top, holds the felt bushing. Pair of holes go at the bottom, holds the steel/rubber/nylon bushing assembly. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 19:37:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BAB4051C for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:37:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B6940430 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:08:18 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=yhykesWzz3kA:10 a=OAdw6wsLAAAA:8 a=OeZ1gwBzpTwU4DntD6IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 77/88-11869-C4004315; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:00:45 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 18:00:46 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4YbjVHdN7MEJgxTYiuS3/mlG/fVgABlBMQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 steering column Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Here is the situation... The connector for the split > steering column is > 'stuck'. I tried everything I could think of to get it > separated/removed > from the inner column. You've removed the bolts entirely, of course. Have you tried driving a screwdriver blade into the slot (through where the bolt was) to spread the collar a bit more? Soaked in PBB? Tapped (more or less gently) with a BFH on the bolt 'ears'? Maybe it's time to drop the apron and remove the steering box and column as a unit (like those of us with earlier cars have to do). I'd be reluctant to pound very hard against the bearings, worm and peg inside the steering box. > There is one solid metal bushing still on the inner > column - not being able to slide it over the steering wheel end. > (this was all done in about 2001) I'm afraid you lost me there. Maybe it's just been too long, but I don't recall any metal bushing except for the one inside the assembly at the bottom (which was split at least on my car). Unless maybe the later split columns used a bushing inside the felt ring? That area was quite a bit larger as I recall, so using a sleeve there would probably reduce cost. But I don't remember any signs it would come apart there, and I can't seem to find one at the moment to look at. > The O-Rings as I understand it are placed so that they split the inner > column into thirds. Although not listed that way in the catalogs, it's my belief that those were deleted for the split column. At any rate, it doesn't seem like they could do anything with the shaft supported so close to either side. If you are hitting bumps hard enough to bend those tubes enough to touch, then you've got a lot worse problems than some rattling from the steering column! I didn't even find any inside TS13571L, so they may have been deleted much earlier. > Finally, the parts manual calls for two felt pieces at the > top end but I can only see how one would fit between the > indent I mentioned and the top of the column. Me too. The drawing only shows one, and the workshop manual refers to it as singular, so I think that might be a misprint in the parts book. The other possibility is that the original felt was much smaller. The replacement I got was too thick anyway, I eventually machined a Delrin bushing instead. > (Thoughts about urethane TRF#209423/u? Can't see the advantage myself. On a TR3A, those joints take no side force at all (except from vibration) and the original nylon seemed to hold up just fine. I think the urethane version may be more appropriate for later cars with flexible joints in the column (and even then Delrin seems like a better choice to me). > One other thought. I am not there yet, but should the > control head be attached and wires fed through the stator > tube before inserting into the column - or after? For sure get the column assembled and adjusted first. Everything has to get lined up "just so" to get it to turn freely. (Probably best to complete this phase with the Pitman arm disconnected so you can more easily feel any drag.) As far as feeding the wires through the stator tube though, I'd say it's pretty much a wash. When I'm R&R'ing the same components, I like to leave the wire in the tube just because it saves having to fish a pulling wire through the tube and fasten it to the electrical wires. But if you have to do that anyway, the extra ease of fishing the wires with the tube off the car just about balances the extra hassle of having to support the wires and control head while installing the tube, IMO. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 21:53:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232744051B for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:53:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BF54044B for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:26:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06CFA10A3 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:21:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:21:17 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.2 To: ''Triumphs'' References: <006301ce1872$54805d00$fd811700$@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [TR] The day was not completely lost Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > images at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Al-fin%20Brake%20Drum/_0940s.jpg Nice! mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 22:08:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3C240452 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:08:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f52.google.com (mail-qe0-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61C64042B for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id s14so3254806qeb.11 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:43:07 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=ZNY226hsnb9H/yprweSnCEA4edPAGjV1TV7ke09M2Dk=; b=ZqbO+EOaBuGfcvox4A+jhyBdhMJUTljpmrRCx8ITcTSQXjYD41cGwCLTLjtmQWkGu4 KzVZGjitn/UZyQQda+dA4OIDRL3OiOcKbtwVRRziOBFRMznmHiKZhdnrbVtLh5B3Ljge RMjVMWm4UzIlkLUHgYrInakCWhT5MIp606t9Hqz2UQmcrFxjXMukobHb9iq9JyhTvr80 Uz9y5Gd/A9CFFVHDFFbevuNtW1rZrHQp6L4Z3SGq/eVMYpuSgucoCq5ihepQl7aTtZwg PD6hJiZnCn1BT1gpWrGGJiRwl0usZXQJnrqGl6XU5jzsrldPLXjt2B0JNTYLW4j8fRRi sYTg== p13mr31930097qap.40.1362372187705; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adsl-98-84-143-206.gsp.bellsouth.net. [98.84.143.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dt10sm35443967qab.0.2013.03.03.20.43.06 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:43:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Gaines To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I should have thought of the lawnmower for burning old gas. I actually did that, on a much smaller scale, with a gallon can of gas that had been in my dad's trunk for a few years. I guess over the course of the spring and summer, I should be able to use up 8 gallons in small doses. Thanks, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: wbeech@flash.net To: "Tim Gaines" , triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:34:15 AM Subject: RE: [TR] Waking a sleeping car I had a similar problem when I took posession of a long-dormant TR3 last year, BTW, new gas and it fired right up. Didn't want to dump it and the local recycle only take oil. I mixed it some of the old fuel 50/50 in the lawnmower. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Gaines Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:01 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car After finishing the HVDA tranny conversion on my TR6 (loving it so far!) I now have to get back to the Spitfire differential rebuild I started 3 years ago, before retirement. I may not pull that off by myself, but at some point I have to revive the poor engine that I have neglected most of that time (the guilt is terrible). My question is, what do I do with the 7 or 8 gallons of gas in the tank? Tim Gaines Clinton, SC 1974 TR6 1980 Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:18:56 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Waking a sleeping car One, of course, is never run the old gas. Even if it starts, it will varnish everything in sight to some degree. While you're at it, stick a magnet in the gas tank to see if it collects a pod of rust. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 22:53:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD81424DE for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:53:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEFB40516 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 05:20:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.65] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 05:20:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 05:20:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 38905 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2013 05:20:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362374446; bh=KAKB1O+Y4qX9Zc6kyRzyrcbYuUtUhwck1N+dvfBX2yU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SOwFuV2NfMsx0REQ+2O8boaNkxbpUpiR7O9ziJ9rJUP0mflgJdXeeDQuMW/dGD7bypQQP8VtaNXxZZn1u9PylMMalpvP/bSJYB2SU0RlNFsYS9Ecgi4nIZna1EiuqMspDM4ckm3+WnaPLEIGE9ILdJPet1SPgEQmMrBHo32zu6M= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Gy2omOBzdzuDfsfzSqWY1IUyhELZ0iXidxBAnA+Fc+fmM6UXJ2VNQySlJQhcsgqNemyyPIQpS5FQ27Zy22sxVCb5Wr3dSSto2Ahf29wuDeFJZc9ZslvNIda3MZrRCrgl+Xu9/43Q1kFC7SdllA890FVZ/hldiSWONnQlcLYJ6ko=; cOJFWiCAsAy24gIWWTiwgkngKCAjz17ZO9iqnLQ7LKLU.SOlDFtA1m6r11vu aXi2liWOM1Pk_SdyTi0ynYr9oyG_iXS.OOXM.kYWLpI0kODPzbyqdkdZERkI yysxT.ShXAmNjLksG5RhfBsKpq.uQ2YWkFzlh1_j2bXKyQrxf7jcwaavNOhw m4iljiGXVSye1yXqgbQme4rPpG6gV5a5_pMreBI0A4eRktT0bAlzLs4vWhdB LdgwWjDcf9s5X70usrRqsnJZXB3pPd4eWtAO.Mz1bMBnsoZETqhFMdW.f1_G dQmzL.466kbXpJUCuungJMXY.vd1Om0.XdH_LmXo5oArtIKjZhVH0TIv3bOW g38cc1GoIcy7Bb5rTVAeeS6Rmjfv_lBWmOwK1MLJteNzm9GA7mhDh1xi9wb_ N7G_VP5QXMSYpjBC4b6NEuNNbZNx7xvHD95HNR_NyTcXSJavr0jZp9tSpZg6 K3HQ0W5oU1NM- Received: from [107.195.24.66] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:20:45 PST wqDCoMKgwqAgTXkgVFIzIGlzIGhhcmQgc3RhcnRpbmcgaW4gdGhlIHdpbnRlci4gSXQgaXMgZ2FyYWdlIGtlcHQgYW5kIHRoZSBnYXJhZ2UgaGFzIGJlZW4gaW4gdGhlIDYwJ3MgaW5zaWRlLiBBZnRlciBub3QgZHJpdmluZyBmb3IgMyB3ZWVrcyBpdCBjcmFua3Mgc2xvd2VyIHRoYW4gSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIGFuZCB0cmllcyB0byBzdGFydCBhbmQgZGllcy4gSXQgZXZlbnR1YWxseSB3aWxsIHN0YXJ0LiBJdCBzdGFydHMgZWFzaWx5IGZvciB0aGUgcmVzdCBvZiB0aGUgZGF5LiBUaGVuIG5leHQgZGF5IGl0IHMBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the garage has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It starts easily for the rest of the day. Then next day it starts readily as well. If I leave the car out on a cold day (30's) it is hard starting as well. I am debating what gives. Maybe the battery is just weak and the next day it is all charged up and cranks faster. Could it be something else that I am missing? -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 07:30:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D221F42557 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:30:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2604051F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:02:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 058EF1C000103; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.13]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BBBDBE00008E; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:55:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:55:12 -0500 (EST) To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362405312; bh=ci67eqOBdAN11VQMwPa1SlME/DA0LXDnyOk5DWepc0s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CAQicnZJHkanK77i60kduAZYHJZKYIYfQHCOhc/fndmbJWLxhIcZmlkIIzm3dF7a3 aU+2qMCjx1/r6M4JxZe6+N8U5YDX5NUpQ94sqJFAVJjBMeeVI+U/Lq+c/tKv6uI516 kV05gHg/IeH06uml0yCGnNuKDKRLkWedLkip+6lk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b5134a7c04c7f Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, Could be two things......weak battery and/or fuel evaporating naturally in the fuel bowls. Over the winter I try to get my TR4 out for a run at least once a month and mine cranks a little slower at first and it takes a few cranks to get her fired up. If I come back in a week, it's almost as though it were yesterday...fires right up. Interestingly, a three week layover in the summer doesn't seem to bother the starting......my guess is that the summer humidity slows down fuel evaporation. So, assuming the battery is being completely charged and is holding a charge, if it starts fine and runs fine after it's been running and turned off, I'd say that the cranky starting after a long layover is just the "nature of the beast". Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 3/4/2013 12:46:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wsb1960tr3a@att.net writes: After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 07:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB20C4053F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:59:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E87E403DD for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:36:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-70-220.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.70.220]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MJ500BXC488PH50@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:28:58 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-04_02:2013-03-04,2013-03-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1212290000 definitions=main-1303040111 From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:28:56 -0800 References: <9d24.1f300a2a.3e6601c0@aol.com> To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of things to try. If you have a priming lever on your fuel pump, use that to make sure your float bowls are full. If you have battery charger, make sure your battery is fully charged and see if that affects your starting. If your battery is weak, causing slow cranking, it may also be causing a weak spark. If your choke isn't working well, that could create a too-lean mixture (which would exacerbate a weak spark problem). -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 09:00:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E74340E40 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:00:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A113540528 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.39] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 15:24:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362410663; bh=T6rdK/+gJKiX4tHyaiyKVMRkLKfeAYyO5z8cXUOGdWg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=jDK616tHQQyfudthGziJwgRHRTuXJPukE6di4oT0HmonKlkNht51vVeTGB4zJUlajrucCeniQscMObX5+D91fSCygfWpcFJ+0fjEqG+MQ7nuBIldbNivslMRVnZA6aAz2fSxhX0Jsh6q8QgYsL6gNRhQK5AiOh4BgmlyxaDDHU4= ZkfrIqJNeSLYuWwEoGi80DbWluKMANkdHyznIHvBty6mAyuiTqV9VFqHRcOi IrCs5IRL..ALof0585v8yeK50UMNrMqEMvhQ9UoDsOBUPGNQjKxVSPKt8Ngv Ya07H_aDrKkcuewEGMnj3vDebA9TWzLx8lPVMGa4jmIddZZAQmJveq7mXxyc wR_xZCL4T2pZm3xi6Os9zmIRFSF6iOHQZRypvVuPJWBN8_smYUYC.YEf0DmG d8dbvA7jxvXzgluhayAUgEL1ox7FS59F4t15KvnWf.WaDFshFQ4BMBzcxU2U ShwxOLz1V0yiFv6UsiTM6eqtYIzX9x6WAwtzk6IeuxBvVJZ2KPfZr5opaXnz vKalSMuzf29LCSmJ1_Ixy4S7TbOgWKOCmM2mR.lngtuXAC7ggH8BviKsULEN EJm087Q0X3hpIeuLyxJ33_kObWKAC.QmdGW4xRcQ5l38rQiipDdoqBLm0QYJ Ls.Cz0zmIdXcelj5e9YstrOs_KJID0j8TWUFCrYdWEdHH0czlUUddGjwLecI LCE6lDrvD6135eMbmYbqMDYbN.Q-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Mar 2013 07:24:23 -0800 PST From: To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:24:14 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4Ym6197O5y9w1ZTza7HSZdJDsyGwATyo8w Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, This is a long shot but it actually happened to me a few years ago with the early style starter on TS30766L. Car was real hard to turnover on the initial starting for the day, but after that it was fine. I thought it was a battery issue, discharging over the week, so I bought a new one. Then had the starter re-built and when that did not cure it I even added a separate ground to the starter bolt as well as double-checking all the battery connections. Well, it was the steel-encased rubber collar (Moss:"Sleeve Assembly" p/n 549-580) that was beginning to fail and did not get replaced by the re-builder. Bought a new one from Moss, re-build shop replaced it at n/c, Bob's your uncle and all has been right since then. Yes, the fuel in the float does evaporate and so the first start after a week or three of idleness take a few extra cranks with full choke to get everything flowing.... but she always starts. BTDT, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:21 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the garage has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It starts easily for the rest of the day. Then next day it starts readily as well. If I leave the car out on a cold day (30's) it is hard starting as well. I am debating what gives. Maybe the battery is just weak and the next day it is all charged up and cranks faster. Could it be something else that I am missing? -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 09:30:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C33424D8 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:30:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44BE40400 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:12:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 7U5Q1l00g53lu5001U5RXf; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:05:25 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "RedRiverTriumph" , Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:05:22 -0600 Subject: [TR] parts needed for a tr3 (small mouth) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I need the wood for the tr3 doors. can anyone help me here? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 10:02:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7549F40551 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:02:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B07040401 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:31:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 16:24:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 16:24:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 16:24:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22157 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2013 16:24:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362414263; bh=/KpRIQ9PuKBpjRZ8X9aRfAggvjdL4PQZYNKBNCMNub8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TziSbMQ8T3VafY76RvfkmsEqIxmNTHUMm83KoRZSesRU5719Q7AB1oPilb8unl4XdfZh4yFg6JfQM3ZKOWqm3JPhgXaDPSCShrzFxsrW48NWdxzAaaYE5JTjLMfqa4pW7j7WL62arpAxPmn+zCfyCS+zsENTfadc2/q1Hl88hf0= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qCDgfZQ6fRtWKfmI6wu6ZAzWnCeSDsWBSnbo7Ue+Q9RVa+e5dDVglaBgdYh8UD8803BotJvADm+P70OEafW6hZlpme0XT6p7nV+EI3yTucBr4entIHT1kjRkqjXJTh16FKB0KpvVBpWuCAqmp6qeGnASsL4s4O6t80i33yemzOA=; jcAYESjlr13_ixmDg64..Qayvwbk2rUxCFxe2agXIw60.w3_z7JbB.Ka_Tvh p0KNZ37ALhVC1jtNvbYYWIirOLuCI5XG4QiENoS_chgK4TdC8Eibyw3vsMdX fjeZrkHgBaD2Dnjyhyl_WqZRVnqHYLSNu1JB.7j3Xv1XgN541xqNM1YEWLm1 jALH391TLg9wFgKWu8MzUQjz8D.8GbGMmUb5DMCx.2qlM1Qpctyvp3hsAicQ Z1X80o5MPRIB9JNuHKfagJiRET_OG_dHZkcJD.O4bavQnbo2gv_1DZpwLQLY Yt_AgftNlOvLwAJoQEfShEziojQHSEsYCPTl6Pka6VgHnCnPJ4l5xhEbOcL. dxgLjZ73VDfZXc_vuSqB5Sh013zh9Aj4n2nFkjKRLlTmClgJy0v5ppC0z6dY 22Ttfas3I4nU74.Hl.AQI3W5MoaGCTMNKIADAxminLhxbqFhDXXRv8ieL7bt v5gx.t4qo9lmW.4DfryKtDqfarp5oALOOG.cp6ZYfDD1qQcGvKi0DKjt4zJF UH5M8h6.hyuwF1ch6HYfbyLBwTeOEnOp09W5b77Td_vn9a5TG4ObnhNpGVsp 4lBdM1ZHfPADX.lLS5IEmKH1TAJ84gWBZ3bM2JgBiCjY- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:24:22 PST R3JlYXQgYWR2aWNlwqBCaWxsLArCoMKgwqDCoCBHcmVhdCBhZHZpY2UsIGJ1dCBJIGhhdmUgYSBwb3N0LTYwMDAgY2FyIHdpdGhvdXQgdGhhdCBzbGVldmUgYXNzZW1ibHkgcGFydCBpbiB0aGUgc3RhcnRlci4KwqDCoMKgwqAgSSBoYXZlIGFuIGVsZWN0cmljIGZ1ZWwgcHVtcCBhbmQgd2FpdCBmb3IgdGhlIGJvd2xzIHRvIGZpbGwgdXAgYmVmb3JlIGNyYW5raW5nLgrCoMKgwqDCoCBNYXliZSBpdCBpcyB0aW1lIHRvIHVwZ3JhZGUgdG8gYSBtb2Rlcm4gZ2VhcmVkIHN0YXJ0ZXIgbW90b3IgYW5kL29yIGEgbmUBMAEBAQE- References: <1362374445.99713.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <555745.59692.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: "wbeech@flash.net" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great advice Bill, Great advice, but I have a post-6000 car without that sleeve assembly part in the starter. I have an electric fuel pump and wait for the bowls to fill up before cranking. Maybe it is time to upgrade to a modern geared starter motor and/or a new battery. -Bill in Tehachapi ________________________________ From: "wbeech@flash.net" To: 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: RE: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Bill, This is a long shot but it actually happened to me a few years ago with the early style starter on TS30766L. Car was real hard to turnover on the initial starting for the day, but after that it was fine. I thought it was a battery issue, discharging over the week, so I bought a new one. Then had the starter re-built and when that did not cure it I even added a separate ground to the starter bolt as well as double-checking all the battery connections. Well, it was the steel-encased rubber collar (Moss:"Sleeve Assembly" p/n 549-580) that was beginning to fail and did not get replaced by the re-builder. Bought a new one from Moss, re-build shop replaced it at n/c, Bob's your uncle and all has been right since then. Yes, the fuel in the float does evaporate and so the first start after a week or three of idleness take a few extra cranks with full choke to get everything flowing.... but she always starts. BTDT, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:21 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the garage has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It starts easily for the rest of the day. Then next day it starts readily as well. If I leave the car out on a cold day (30's) it is hard starting as well. I am debating what gives. Maybe the battery is just weak and the next day it is all charged up and cranks faster. Could it be something else that I am missing? -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 10:32:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7826940552 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:32:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4007B40526 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:32:14 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=jfBMtLJYLDYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=yBuF1v1o5HAA:10 a=HCn9ApTrYWZfQ_Osi1cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55007] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A0/0F-06772-AD8D4315; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:24:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:24:45 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4Ym6ZWuQm4qwwMQnuXQFHF2s/ubQAXjmoA Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept > and the garage has been in the 60's inside. After not driving > for 3 weeks it cranks slower than I would like and tries to > start and dies. It eventually will start. It starts easily > for the rest of the day. Then next day it starts readily as well. Sounds to me like multiple (tho possibly related) problems. Cold weather is a quadruple whammy: batteries lose a lot of performance when they are cold, it's harder for the spark to jump the gap, fuel doesn't want to vaporize, and the engine is harder to turn. Cold weather basically brings out the worst, so a lot of marginal problems only show up when the engine is cold. I would probably start by finding some place that can do a battery load test and starter current test. I know O'Reillys will do it for free, not sure about NAPA or AutoZone (so call around first). Even if they don't spot a problem with it, might be worth pulling the starter for inspection. I had one where the drive end bushing was worn until the armature was rubbing on the pole pieces, that didn't like to crank in cold weather but worked OK when it was warm. You can also try cranking for about 30 seconds with a coil wire off, and then feeling the battery posts and other connections to the starter (including the grounds and solenoid body). If something is hot, you found a bad connection. Be sure the choke is lowering both jets by at least 1/4" and roughly the same amount. My TR likes lots of choke when the weather is cold (but back off by about half as soon as the engine fires to avoid black smoke and washing the cylinder walls). I'm assuming you have reasonably thin oil, fresh plugs and so on. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 11:19:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840A4286D for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:19:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF4840557 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:19:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id gf7so4178373lbb.18 for ; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:11:52 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=mHSOcO2jhxbNTmmXU5wP9dLImfAZhtQwWr2EIf9RA/k=; b=wk1Dy0qbJ69HPqwSLvH+HVtQ20uD5yOEG2qO3Mk60I3sJI6u0sToE4Juk7kVjC8tIE a3GWpXwQ9za4Kf/8pUl4W74ccTwg6GdZcuOPrqXXoFL9/qbG71D9E8N4tFD2WfAqUAso 68pBV/IF+EefImZthmJgratf+iH85mNa2LDTPDFx2BxuWKGMOCvfra0AipGMH0NGs3yv djBudFif27kOykq35J4uY2/8NRFOu5w54Zoj/7vOJKd9AFAUHoQ/cLnUTFpFrsV3d9lj 884o/whlMgFrhcQhozRouQPlH6XgeL66g66BCc3dtfYA3B7GnEKbJFEXevo1fExS9Bta 68zw== hg1mr18484282lab.12.1362420712174; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.69.134 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Simo Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:11:32 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Was cleaning the trunk of the TR6 this weekend and was contemplating just spraying the spare tire well with truck bed liner - and then thought - what about the whole thing? Any one used this stuff in their trunk? If so, how did it work out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 11:31:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AAD42867 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:31:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E6C4284F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 18:22:52 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.60] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 18:22:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2013 18:22:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362421372; bh=CMlbz6uYfiUvSWvdJqhICaQinJPD9CkVBvII4lh8TR0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=AGCQk8w4Zy1Ya83d/Lm0Lxfjg0nCwcCkDyRnN0bfb0qxhRmOw+WlcTMl5/g+HbVUAyxBn4T5cMGbPk3USC3g/pz8ZqwFAGCxH7n5A62tjAvLEyyviiZerThqdv69+sSJKGXG8o9M9oM2VIBFF7gimvYmcwqDMLz4rVhZ2q5FXfE= BYcuq35Ah_jgDsNsjdiAVCBcUpW2Vrrh1alkAMALOnD_N5uZqvexsTtxUjHo k1EUmP1zHan1XZxdO2WX_UpI74SWsGpyAJpQ7tPLaA6b0HGTTRoATba3xgEd 4RioXgH9IJzW4zDQk_FYRalYUZJMXUvf892MLHPJTAaOFBsKAh8P2VhPFl7P hx3.LRlOD6gIrxTJuMpqWTd87sr7GuEJmqlbARGFGsA.uxT58Vd4Ka5v9ry7 70RGHDyog4XHnLrgDtw2s.bpWPVN4LQhoXGNOaPRlZOh.nX2vbyOPZhNjaye HYxMWo5pQmsas2Kio4jchxDjUOXNRCipFaD4UxsBGT8lqObvRtlpzRQGN2Dl iX44qtcNlN6EZ5b7LJYOwhrW3zttE3IMG4fmlPAtEoV3DC3vNhwOzqO2K8xS u_VY1eqmqUXmcoerjOeTik8MNSoCAoTiPiQXr3y4t3spOASPGMmfhHiOjmAu Qk1pXJpa6MuQdK31iQO9Jka9ek3Pb5Nno_Og- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Mar 2013 10:22:52 -0800 PST From: To: "'Chris Simo'" , Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:22:59 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4ZA9dqNqJenLTJSsWoaLHiKcBAYAAAVQ2g Subject: Re: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I did a DIY kit in my truck about 6 years back, holding up well. Why not, great idea. B -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:12 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Was cleaning the trunk of the TR6 this weekend and was contemplating just spraying the spare tire well with truck bed liner - and then thought - what about the whole thing? Any one used this stuff in their trunk? If so, how did it work out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 12:01:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A564284F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:01:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB9340531 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:56:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Qbm1l0081vXlb851WowoN; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:48:56 +0000 Received: from JMC ([24.2.253.79]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Wow1l00j1jYsZU3dWowfs; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:48:56 +0000 From: "John Cohen" To: "'Chris Simo'" References: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:48:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4ZA9DcK2LmxCfLTD6wJt365l8gigAAGrJQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1362422936; bh=zevV7UABEqGiYrv/6f49lLNPXGicvfVGQX32UBNwkVo=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=e4Fjl2SRgjj7YlfWPNzvvvVWNYkG1DLVhSqo7g6gPPeG/BqQr72/8xpAenDkqBzj4 ak1ahSb1srTC/w5yy0NHlx3fHswFUAYmnt1Sa9NfQ+FrsuXQwa1YpyPf/HakNT/0xp WVNdN6BYgUTwZODO1zoAkgvgGMw7+IeiOKlD0z1Pwqorl7e9NhUVe31I4/88HWv/i7 04pphJMB3WtyGEIHBXKQ0n3qsJzOSgyf/V+LwSWpK9nFSgaUs0ghpt/AxlY7LU9POA yxiJ0lHCahu3Zzf/EwQLs5nqjuMBu+DwAODZs0qw/SMLUbWQwMVIfzGpNQ6cXL408Q DylqJb2MupVCQ== Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, Yes, I used the spray on bed liner material for the boot and the floor pans. It is in body color, looks fantastic and is bulletproof. I have had it on since 2004, have had no problems and would recommend it highly. John Cohen http://www.triumphowners.com/701 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:12 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Was cleaning the trunk of the TR6 this weekend and was contemplating just spraying the spare tire well with truck bed liner - and then thought - what about the whole thing? Any one used this stuff in their trunk? If so, how did it work out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 12:07:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230FB42874 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:07:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC79C40424 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:06:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7RZr1l00G0S2fkCA3WzNNC; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:59:22 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7WzN1l00K2yr1eL8VWzNHV; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:59:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:59:22 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Chris Simo s=q20121106; t=1362423562; bh=8/Wf0zkJdBybejCFGV2ViYWV+lUcpWvL3/e1sFuAXyk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HJyvYQReZ0dVkqIn9/0ok/Uk16NOp2sKQG68c7AnaOS+wJIJ41tl9YTj0MwvHPExX qj45c9YwSvWOwWU5GlGyMidApiaQbeRiBu7HSDFvHvejyaW3w4b4KAPAgj4euuI8hc xbLYQgi44w4K+2fxVRDoLoJCSf2RicetgdlmMAT22AccEa9LmNwlAOR1HUSW4bVPqj QHoJ2CAc+QUzovmA3Ch2vAssK3w7uGszdbliPPQJH3EXRiwC6scBoih7cETC0g4kMu AgysKrhO6I09JlRf4REFlxhgsQqJM1cfbs2l1JFAG063L5XNuqdbgI7CnBpquT2FWK 1NAqaSTPTmRfw== Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Then of course there is the Spitfire guy who painted the entire OUTside of the car with bed liner... Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Simo" > To: "list Triumph" > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 12:11:32 PM > Subject: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? > Was cleaning the trunk of the TR6 this weekend and was contemplating > just > spraying the spare tire well with truck bed liner - and then thought - > what > about the whole thing? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 13:32:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5ED4286F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:32:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA65640549 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W109 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:19:02 -0800 From: marty sukey To: Phil Ethier Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:19:01 -0500 References: , <1319961878.42489.1362423562271.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FILETIME=[83171A20:01CE1915] Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now, I kind of like that idea in my own sick and demented way. Now that's the kind of car I would enter in a car show just to stir the pot. :) Marty > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:59:22 +0000 > From: pethier@comcast.net > To: ccsimonsen@gmail.com > CC: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Any one used spray on bedliner in their TR4 or TR6 trunk ? > > Then of course there is the Spitfire guy who painted the entire OUTside of the car with bed liner... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 15:56:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE1B42858 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:56:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DC0403D0 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7VKb1l0050xGWP85DaoG8q; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:48:16 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7aoG1l0022xV5no3YaoG3d; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:48:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:48:15 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Triumphs (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1362437296; bh=5jb0tY541luJhnfoU+z9f3BeASc0lyuRJLgZkLj0hoM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VPHcA+OdG5W8TCKkUQHcUIHvTf41+u3pKaKkWK47rSYr1e8CGRxZcFeFymFJEBPvD WF09IbY2Sl/o6ZLLEjm5Vn6k8dJ8NdzhGGilKDNzKKJWGVZDGHfWySrk4exS5Xa4cJ PjettM03bDy7WE5H72YOs0UuYJ2Gm5Bt7WFratxF0RwSy3DWNAqmIOAn8ZjouUNELj LdFvR3Ky4zD//+AQuCZysj5X1Isdc3HMR9gpuO+oeZa7+JDVhURv4pylTJIIoXjOBv l0cRG5l0g7TYjVbFZIWbXCSo2kg1naiG3UVvdOLUpP8VGygs3RDzNd+QVnqUTlfPbc 6qAiLHq3x13bA== Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the garage >has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower >than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It >starts easily for the rest of the day. Mine had been sitting since December, also in a garage. Was so hard to start, I had to check spark and fuel to make sure it was getting any. It was, and eventually kicked over. Even then, it wouldn't reve right away, not til it warmed up. I was figuring that it's all because the engine only has about 2,000 miles on it and is tight. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 16:22:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAC240E5B for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:22:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B0940E5B for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:16:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E28EF1C0000AE; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dse002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dse002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.227.197]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9756BE000087; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:08:54 -0500 (EST) To: terryrs@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362438534; bh=Ms/aTtbfvIZBFb5fUjhlh8qL+oU2R4ZjNA1mWyKKJ4E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E+YROlLkqEdKTsHTwfV8bpsfITCWOqeyIxIqHB5VFKdQ44Xsb3Fo+1WPMil8zJPf7 XTR3VwotUgoJrqFX53Biq203smWKWHksajqpO/ocrV+A2KoDlgmySOrHAQTn2JV5X9 EIZQ2QWA+q+ti3G7zuoE6rhopnL3ugKoxVWzKLAA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495135298672b4 Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've found that priming the fuel pump, before the first start each day, helps a lot. Just open the bonnet, reach down to the fuel pump on the driver's side (LHD). Below the fuel pump is a lever that you lift in rapid succession and this pumps fuel through to the carburettors. Then, when you press the starter button, the car bursts into life almost immediately. Of course, this assumes that everything else is as it should be, in terms of ignition, carburetion, etc. Tim In a message dated 04/03/2013 5:49:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, terryrs@comcast.net writes: > My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the garage >has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower >than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It >starts easily for the rest of the day. Mine had been sitting since December, also in a garage. Was so hard to start, I had to check spark and fuel to make sure it was getting any. It was, and eventually kicked over. Even then, it wouldn't reve right away, not til it warmed up. I was figuring that it's all because the engine only has about 2,000 miles on it and is tight. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 17:39:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD4F4056E for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:39:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C30D40412 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7axw1l0041uE5Es5BcXfZi; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:31:39 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7cXf1l00M2ymm843ccXfRv; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:31:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 00:31:39 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Triumphs (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1362443499; bh=CcaS2WoS+JWoE/pi49RUXgq06p96/tuDGl2VmpVUHpc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=c1xOnWrhhsI8VAhJCIjoPULA4PvezEKXItb5wQED/P9Mvz+N1AiSOHDr5BLFRTFq1 HycS/0itbWASC2OgivfVQhH9FuJqZ8/X1DTrWSqdfDZxCX9X5w6VDLrxCA69nR9PGl wya9uXtF6LnD1F8pxh0LSUhZ4+gk8+fzkZzlKCFQoWOmNa6x2/ob+IfFu4QgCBfDEf Kmn2JbWZk1yTk7gIy1XdUWckBtM2S8j/wc1w912C/F3P8DF82HO1kE4z1gB5brfcjA f6AR2ZwpBYtG/RyMqlQzyd1M5aJW+qjLBDwDdA8337884Sc22Yy+HBUGyRwnQvDTS5 NKrjOKZxJOQdA== Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >> My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the garage >>has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it cranks slower >>than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It >>starts easily for the rest of the day. >Mine had been sitting since December, also in a garage. Was so hard to start, I had to check spark and fuel to make sure it was getting any. It was, and >eventually kicked over. Even then, it wouldn't reve right away, not til it warmed up. >I was figuring that it's all because the engine only has about 2,000 miles on it and is tight. I should have added, I have an electric fuel pump and I wait for pressure to fill the resevoirs. And I run a gear reduction starter. Temp in the garage is barely 42 degrees so I'm liking the concept of fuel that is so cold it doesn't want to vaporize. Especially sounds good when I got a stronger idle as the engine (and gas line) warmed up. Terry ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 18:40:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7CA40566 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:40:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E723B40424 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:37:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [96.249.153.70]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJ500616YTFDI90@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:29:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <1362374445.99713.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <122244453.177879.1362437295986.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:29:42 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac4ZKnmd0PQTzWj8QBmlhGyF1S3n8QAFkW2Q Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm thinking it might have a lot to do with the gasoline we pumped into it which was crap when it was fresh. Now that it sat over the winter it doesn't have enough energy left to run a kerosene stove. I looked in the glass bowl filter and the liquid is bright amber. That color is great for bourbon but not so great for gasoline. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of terryrs@comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:48 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Why is the TR3 Hard Starting? > My TR3 is hard starting in the winter. It is garage kept and the >garage has been in the 60's inside. After not driving for 3 weeks it >cranks slower than I would like and tries to start and dies. It eventually will start. It >starts easily for the rest of the day. Mine had been sitting since December, also in a garage. Was so hard to start, I had to check spark and fuel to make sure it was getting any. It was, and eventually kicked over. Even then, it wouldn't reve right away, not til it warmed up. I was figuring that it's all because the engine only has about 2,000 miles on it and is tight. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 23:04:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD8E40436 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 23:04:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f175.google.com (mail-we0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0071C40417 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 23:04:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x8so5613220wey.34 for ; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:56:51 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=tdZIgTH5HpY7nXkCV1TYcVHOzvOPjE5NoONpfEh7pOQ=; b=YUkJFw60wcONnSWyTvMeGbHjaW0EPB7MlMIdqovfzNsugAd6zR2kgyOklIZC5eUFE1 mOFsKk5M/wG2MvqtuT7dYY2U9iCvb5Dt++CuWrEyu3r5uIJBs5ns9YZ5di2IR20vGmnE oxHkRfHTGXHJOcqEasqJuttRReuFv1YDR1hZyuOaubZnNcRKtz76RTSjeEbtyLZLg7jq YmhoErSNNH3gFxhGSWIObPdKcBrYWheLO9xrl+WeLeCC72FhmxuyV1cJv4gIQORFumME JYHSq3grTk1iryKqi/IJJHuZh2OQUaIG3+Hyaw+SHJ1ab/K7AMUujf6bTXvT0JC125sW O8yQ== ez9mr16339518wib.3.1362463010754; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.15.73 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 21:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Don Hiscock Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 00:56:30 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 1933 Triumph Gloria ad from UK dealer (photos after link) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One doesn't see many pre-war Triumphs at all (especially here in the US), and few as fully restored as this one. Great pictures for those who aren't familiar with our marque's early models. For sale in the UK at $75,000 (#50,000). http://www.nutleysports.co.uk/TriumphGloriaSpeedSix-Red.htm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 4 23:24:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3235E428B2 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 23:24:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87EE424C2 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 23:23:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130305061615.DQLR19285.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 01:16:15 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id 7iGF1l0074qRjhw01iGFz9; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 01:16:15 -0500 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=gdZeW6tDd1YA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=o7ln-oG71zQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=-D3T1cpkAAAA:8 a=WKdIPAy2UIWQ89nKKH8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=tzuxYTDzd5AA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=7dtDQAjzsLlrLajV:21 a=b3m6JOqvYisqyuS7:21 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Don Hiscock'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 23:16:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4ZZlHLiDdG2PShQpO0m940g+DmbgAAoFLw Subject: Re: [TR] 1933 Triumph Gloria ad from UK dealer (photos after link) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What a sweet ride. I only wish I had 50,000 quid to grab it and ship to Arizona. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:57 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 1933 Triumph Gloria ad from UK dealer (photos after link) One doesn't see many pre-war Triumphs at all (especially here in the US), and few as fully restored as this one. Great pictures for those who aren't familiar with our marque's early models. For sale in the UK at $75,000 (#50,000). http://www.nutleysports.co.uk/TriumphGloriaSpeedSix-Red.htm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 10:47:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7104442973 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:47:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683264294B for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:41:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm39.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2013 17:33:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.14] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2013 17:33:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2013 17:33:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362504829; bh=LUkIRT6RM/9KkY7GQRbfKOlmpKMyy7sVAAVFd6S2DZk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=p9WXun4kdoouiaQhU8h+LJ/VK+YC+FHHmqAsbZyJo8Dxy4VK3DbiWZtEniY3R87CBgtT4N7EarDrrYLeogTS3aZ/+YYXb4E+P2MKQOa8zHuhJ+1rQF0DHO+0pmD7TV7isenTH++vEUiyZXIKAtol0tiubP3Z84KK70e3AB5Tz4E= BaJ57r5vqhzI26FDsnVBoqIDUWTAeLAKbEPhX1s3OGGxrK0fsijsjESrLR77 RZAlD7iQfqKu0rPWwXRktNOIPkl1JxP203S0IE7VbspFCQG.TF_.K_YSGvCy GmOSHOqG2t.sAl77vaW0L8gIHWoGOgikpnaDozOKjougoaNuZkMLYYxFuoka klltbkeUZoE2VMduzJUbo6IcmwW77UI8eYGFuJnZK7Hzc9nr6FQPl.jGjuQc z7eCvbKzAxmvwVI2O2VzZ4vzFC3wvxlu4hrpptqFPGLhu63inTt280ga32.2 6no.oAsRVQRwBgYY0DSos323nyN2GEFKP3RSdY_r1nbVmnRJ6kM4U6Hott6d yZeBVe_SwH2.egfNxB_zB0wmCCYrMX3nALy9Ni_dXVDpuBB9XyER2egYv2fd DzdGleAnzrDnB5IV3ZNh98iY- Received: from [10.44.30.165] (wbeech@166.147.68.228 with plain) by smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Mar 2013 09:33:49 -0800 PST From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:33:46 -0600 To: "" Subject: [TR] Crank handle mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net At VTR I saw a TR3 with the crank handle mounted to the fuel tank cover panel in the boot. The owner said it was the correct TR mounting location, however it was the only one I saw in a sea of beautifully restored TRs. I liked the location and it displayed very nice, don't where the clips came from. What is the collective wisdom on these location and its originality? Many thanks Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 14:22:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8ADF42AA9 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:22:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F56F42A08 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2013 21:12:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2013 21:12:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2013 21:12:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 51157 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2013 21:12:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362517960; bh=AXiSTTeaEPhCYUB+Jmz/yVbRiNQRQBG75QKuIPoU+QM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q/HdH96cks5WAbs0a/YyPD4ITz2RUlt7eRRrLJz0Hqoo8GLr5JZ0xRdW0IBmd3CUM2ynUFYXSsadiogq/hXxvHajmtPBSGxkVU59XOW7V0sWSODk0SL6fzw/ZolZfP6FLN1Z+Ml0ZfcwPUBzb9mn2qQc+OhX4ShOMWgGh295gxA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6Ip0FPjc7bPTO4YTfYfdsvYphREAw7exsFghvy05R3AVMocFZUkQUEFKDy+1DvD9jWigl1lD4wC4qpJdgl9wcoIYXdzksTsmJ6lOEWHFfmk1fJHY6gMaqDEw5oOI0uKhkXdm9J9nMxwYAxp38j5vFfsJ7Bo2ndTz1dbVcmKuuOk=; 8EYgr8rDKwFE0jbLA5H5gbRGZ6zycyfZqalGd1bt4klwKoDFBLQi5M2pvvOc m66qtrnU9ytKOQnD37i8p53384vxhwReITlyqTLqIlJ2tBTrVX5SJphfZWFY 02Pjeus51iUM8k7vsR78Oma6mQ7i7EPzYw6zcsvu8MiJZVrWcqkclmrzNka3 D9gqNgIZwb3q8zdqSeyIM.p6vCeGlbadq_gWO4ZJ2fYIUxCPVapJNeJg2zXK 8Fpn.N7onrKo1NfJN9w1H2eVL3__9OMCm6cLHqoBWqCCQCgR3h88keHFkKrN PP1vmJfH2lcNqzSgGf96pGaz0WE8p8JCHS2wa7thg2HhYBMkPjVfzY3RM1NG osjTJ1VSdqHCw1BWJZ68TlPgUESnKOn4LEZWpAxQ9hWu3nQqJ7KcA0vbwJ49 OQTHiWSx0ISWPf1wEpTAgx_IRzh6Hv2DEbe6O9yeKrb4rJmmIlM5ML1hvywi f.svuGZwjpjtphBqeFDdt Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 13:12:40 PST aSBiZWxpZXZlIGl0IHdhcyBzdG93ZWQgaW4gdGhlIHNwYXJlIHRpcmUgY29tcGFydG1lbnQuCmlsbCBjaGVjayB0aGUgYm9vayB0b25pZ2h0IGZvciB5b3UgaWYgeW91IGRvbid0IGdldCBhIG1vcmUgZGVmaW5pdGl2ZSBhbnN3ZXIuCkZyYW5rCgpGcm9tOiBXQkVFQ0ggPHdiZWVjaEBmbGFzaC5uZXQ.ClRvOiAiPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogVHVlc2RheSwgTWFyY2ggNSwgMjAxMyA5OjMzIEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtUUl0gQ3JhbmsgaGEBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: WBEECH , "" Subject: Re: [TR] Crank handle mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i believe it was stowed in the spare tire compartment. ill check the book tonight for you if you don't get a more definitive answer. Frank From: WBEECH To: "" Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:33 AM Subject: [TR] Crank handle mounting At VTR I saw a TR3 with the crank handle mounted to the fuel tank cover panel in the boot. The owner said it was the correct TR mounting location, however it was the only one I saw in a sea of beautifully restored TRs. I liked the location and it displayed very nice, don't where the clips came from. What is the collective wisdom on these location and its originality? Many thanks Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 12:24:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E459403C8 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:24:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B44403C8 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130306014852942.MYVE1933@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 01:48:52 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=OaAXya8_LvYA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=EXj61_egedeWhtZP81EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:57936] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id FF/06-06772-C00A6315; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 01:46:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 1:46:52 +0000 From: Randall To: "" , WBEECH Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Crank handle mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- WBEECH wrote: > At VTR I saw a TR3 with the crank handle mounted to the fuel tank cover panel > in the boot. The owner said it was the correct TR mounting location, however > it was the only one I saw in a sea of beautifully restored TRs. I liked the > location and it displayed very nice, don't where the clips came from. > > What is the collective wisdom on these location and its originality? I don't believe that is the original location. There are photos in both the 2nd and 6th editions of "Practical Hints" showing the crank handle stored in the spare tire well, along with the jack and wheel 'brace'. Any hardware store will sell clips that will work, but of course they won't look "period correct". I would also worry about the long-term effect of the weight of the handle hanging on the particle board panel. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 12:30:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1620B40E6A for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:30:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E4B403C8 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.53]) by hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130306032016162.VUSA1654@hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 03:20:16 +0000 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=6JL3W5g3OTwA:10 a=HTms6nFJAAAA:8 a=tcUn82DEHj5e9366vjMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GAoWaJIQtnE7XbBPnP0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=CTLJjT8XuWs3a8JZ:21 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:59880] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 48/9E-02677-775B6315; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:18:16 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 21:18:18 -0600 Subject: [TR] 6 cylinder Engine Upgrades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a nice article on the VTR website by some guy named Mark Bradakis (!?!) http://www.vtr.org/maintain/engine-mods-TR6.shtml About 6 cylinder engine upgrades, it seems to indicate that more detailed articles are to follow, but I can't find them on the VTR site, anybody have a clue as to whether these articles are available somewhere, looked like potentially good stuff. Greg Lemon TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 13:08:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DF340FDB for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:08:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DAC40E42 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8989FA0FFB for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:09:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:09:19 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.2 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Network outage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Had a network outage last night. I took advantage of the downtime to do a bit of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 13:14:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEFC4226D for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:14:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mainet.com (smtp.mainet.com [174.76.241.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C107D40E93 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from HQ-MTA by smtp.mainet.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:09:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:09:14 -0500 From: "John Walker" To: Subject: Re: [TR] Crank handle mounting (Frank Fisher) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I bought my first car, a new '59 TR-3A, in 1959, the crank handle was stowed in the spare tire compartment. JW The Recalcitrant TR-3B TSF68368 TSF ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 13:19:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9515842482 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:19:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8C740E67 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:18:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2013 20:18:14 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.109] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2013 20:18:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2013 20:18:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362601094; bh=Awt9mMEp2MfKNBZHCYeFlk3fp6iCgXUVwmMKrD/lD2E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=Lskg9ZnaaO+b5ziGbjlRdlisjekQy8rdqnq7/M24WxQfmHT8kgq10VXmiz63GWnvqwuIuDUUB7UW642w/sjxayumf4Wm0dbC/Hnu5W9A5xAKgJ/0hGlEnXGsV8RahAiBTxGSj7HJdtTE1+3F1Zpm4OLVB3x9Xc7ETOzuYbkigzU= XZLAxo8YNvuczE4YWrqGwLWBuuk7qLqXzsCToXxmsnm88oztmaylaANfPJaI QpEjszN4KlRLVdXnsVM8vQ_ZfZvGgvhT2vOsVlFO1_IQJLEPpUR3WbxKBsOd wdeFY9Y6EFf444.1.Tu4QzLwFeVMMYjApdNvmgdfR_41y2dw7nb3iEqBlois OeaEDCs8vaojbOKrLHirm57IGdU3pmaifL0sH68nSsDsAgkIEs7qtkmVasqt A1COp4yrDrob2MH0.kv_UXkuOammpN0_70MHNZt8orkno0yr6mBtp1JFp_0M YXmDWR4tIjNJasK5h.Xhjn5x_7OYzOiISrSJj2eFspo35FhaftW307CV0N.U fcifmAo0hCHxgEcq0SGPUjWfkvQ4D5.nymmob8z4lxESzMVy71JeqDuDSiWC m5JPbGljE_toRH2F4gYVAvoNbzDgjtvVUQEIVwbtPIU.Iau1lGOnwO5dUDd9 deahzObssf36xmlfNlk.WHr64Ut01bm4zfSEjyCqZ1zKmi_qCTTbXrz75xbK F8jvcuCwVypIX7kDJZafoxDHE4g-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Mar 2013 12:18:13 -0800 PST From: To: "'John Walker'" , References: <51375C1A020000EF000107C7@smtp.mainet.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:18:18 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac4apx91DoycLMbxT2Ckc9dMntOAfgAAH2Ew Subject: Re: [TR] Crank handle mounting (Frank Fisher) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, thanks for the input, everyone who responded agreed that the crank handle belongs in the spare tire compartment. Regards, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:09 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Crank handle mounting (Frank Fisher) When I bought my first car, a new '59 TR-3A, in 1959, the crank handle was stowed in the spare tire compartment. JW The Recalcitrant TR-3B TSF68368 TSF ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 16:20:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9E242558 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:20:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7625C4252A for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ec20so7836812lab.23 for ; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:18:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8+fN9T2PQEEgNqB5CSHm2//rEftsgVeBSy2hIIUi27A=; b=tq5VO6pFrXT8sYv4X0ogyG/Uql9CH2LDdpkj5jk3Lr6Gf1Cjz1WswrXwl70Gjj7awd zk6ykHwdWmhon6GgESnVnZm8+yXUKe6p4fzojMcpgis7MCLcRsoa8gmoDfiqwjYeztxq K70HWhLJD1eR1fp7KM/U2JoisndblTuIsPK4Uc7e4cEF+yf16SfuPAEx0KcRIDfSTKFA GhioBMUPOHYDwUg6b0zt+zob4DU9kJ9qoewr7UxLlFyHEJ5NtntwBrsCkbU6goNctNDX WhK5n06roX3xPxyc905jh6LKnNEMvUXjA+mQj9v3jZXNjk9oJpy70y/pICafpd1CHb5h mfGw== s4mr7906588lba.106.1362611938538; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.121.38 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:18:58 -0800 (PST) References: <51375C1A020000EF000107C7@smtp.mainet.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:18:58 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Crank handle mounting (Frank Fisher) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > ...everyone who responded agreed that the crank handle > belongs in the spare tire compartment. > That may be where it belongs but I find it much handier to keep it in the boot (on the floor) as I usually give a few cranking demos to car shows. Years ago most kids had never seen this done -- nowadays it seems no one remembers starting cranks. I do put a rubber crutch tip over the end when storing as it is a bit sharpish and keep a pair of Harbor Freight 'roping gloves' for using the crank. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 18:16:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E166D427D5 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:16:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3772425A9 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Q1T1l0040bG4ec55REzgZ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:14:59 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8REz1l00c2ymm843PREzVn; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:14:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 01:14:58 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Triumphs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1362618899; bh=AOosS4hNwTsIvpoTbISh6Ui2hN+XZMm0DTkgEGimdSM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=fdMY84820mvxO1CbVs/A+25MkySVGIpfWMHOckflb5dQqN5Zw8iR/tbq+5L6huSmK 71cfE+txgMBTkE1uZ0Jf6iHnPUBmFqfEocYpr9uouV6CfySjXsVDZDM94nLn3iG2s/ Jvm0yqPleiYr+iFFe2U4LWvAfw9dVgbfj4WPbJL03IFt+o71i58vejFy907DIYnGc5 VGC+Rc5zR2wHc2QYklxbVwo6rqPIWQqSHrZJ0/I0EQ9k1Ah3ftqdt49iexCFE/hBR4 Iu+rf+uVuAKRLEZZYRW3nqm3h+tGHMhc9cmAsNJOBe7VRtWT6wZlF5hA6Dn4Mk8wkj ctTCmE3CYaMAg== Subject: [TR] Stuck choke Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When we were talking about hard starting, I was advised to check my choke to see how much the jet was dropping. It wasn't. It's stuck. How do you free them? Force them down and then apply 20 wt, litheum or some other kind of lubricant? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 19:39:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCE542826 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:39:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261F9427E4 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2013 02:38:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.41] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2013 02:38:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2013 02:38:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362623913; bh=Mk8WXN/sAtMTckvwhfOqDODhNxp2fUs8HRvw0B/Hmn4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=C3ce177J57zDTs6XRSCA9NaLyyMBPBb6CuwYKUqg5yDnCugGKnzjy9xZT80ege/MfeqQtgdXxaadnEAYHlJq+SzfqAC4lRNhT+T1dyuu7DamodWQkiNRtZd9Lsiv5Fr9DAHzrq+RzkpnYRcDRMF+XEGd3e2UI+KkRIhaaSDSxRg= hrJ0T08rc8hW9RPXr5SyCxzRTvhj9oSULao7B9WuvdSD8ba4_uzTG3ptHNBC ofLwq2HubiEnYkzIthfxX1F_0thKV7e.dLPbqIDcZxUaXchdZNHWeT.D3S1p ywoephKm62z1J03tl.24TIyXKUZBzGgigy2cB7Qw4ShPZxZYGdTOOGu_KJcf ACM1IIlncV6ESIyBYBw_U7GtBaAqVO607oq2LB8XU2rqvYC7yF1Qi1QV8QXw XU0xckqlDaYwepPhhGA86Vf9uP7C9AP81wO0IGxingTZJYMZozBSlfcgmSQ6 N2FR.u0Rpha00DUmDRA3FvCcz66mqcaj_IZo2EoHFsvkXT3q3U5pmw0ddmgO 0eWwroAltfxDOPzS8cvSi3eJoIK9RjRkhSYS9i_bdRpCZn55rDfnGkpMdmi4 cpR0JlaVo0NiYdTN_grAtq5LYb_kPn9Qfp4mFRNS6OlYahdwgzp5i3kM81mW 5DKPGsKGC3GHkc5Tx Received: from [192.168.1.103] (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with plain) by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Mar 2013 18:38:33 -0800 PST References: <1177946154.280956.1362618898979.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 20:38:32 -0600 To: "terryrs@comcast.net" Cc: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck choke Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Take them out and shine them with some "0000" steel wool. A little light oil will help them to go back in smoothly. BTW, don't forget to re-center the jets as you re-assemble everything. Sent from mobile Bill On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:14 PM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: When we were talking about hard starting, I was advised to check my choke to see how much the jet was dropping. It wasn't. It's stuck. How do you free them? Force them down and then apply 20 wt, litheum or some other kind of lubricant? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 08:58:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E4240449 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:58:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD8F40435 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:57:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLeY7-1UESWq1ect-000i7i; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 10:56:41 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:56:43 -0500 SMLvyeK5sKC1WtQKYYJjVpuynQtmAqUcfhGp3MuOJaPWGMp+Ko EvxTzfBLUf5juwrULV+4Q7ZA/il90/2a8vmNTBB+gOtChELD08 sqMzc0wvl4Y9skc7OGOwtwrLSYfWv6I5kxFk4VsOFDKJTxvc2U hv2jLx+IWndxQgatNcJBk5hyTFlwI6oLfdD7iHPTBJFakLFqJL CV541LX7yoWkiM2o85a1VuumTxmvcOod1wl9BDz5gHfRCj8vhX pjDOHqfcon7WZffKXgxUTYrBmxhIJUkCcTetmssonKFtXHJTw/ n+DVDr3ZfFXp//i1Da48ep2+QokNG6JytczIoKKQ8 Subject: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One of this year's winter projects was to design an aluminum fuel tank that would fit "any" TR6 and give additional capacity. Dan Masters gave me his 18 gallon design but that required modifying the trunk to get the tank to fit. Another fellow designed a tank specific to his car with swirl pots and a custom external pump....... I modified that design to make it more generic to fit, hopefully, every TR6. I just updated my site (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AluminumTank.htm) with the installation of the first tank produced and can say that it fit up perfectly. You can see everything from the building of a mock up to the final installation. Using math......and the internal tank dimensions, the capacity should be about 15 gallons. I used Boyd Welding to make the tank as custom aluminum gas tanks are the only thing they make ranging from 1 quart to 5000 gallons. Keep in mind that a stock sized aluminum tank form Moss is $620 and $700 from TRF. I have no financial interest in the sale of tanks by Boyd Welding but he was kind enough to agree to special pricing until March 18th. The following are his words from an email sent to me: As for pricing it will be $425.00 for non efi and $ 725.00 for EFI tanks including the Aeromotive Stealth 340. Reference part #bs #14020 Standard NON EFI = $ 425.00 #14021 EFI with Stealth 340= $ 725.00 Because I am considering this a group buy the pricing will only be good until Monday March 18th. After that the pricing will be normal prices which will be $ 475.00 and $775.00. The EFI tanks are only available with our Stealth 340 pump because of the custom cutout and flange required. An option for the provision without the pump will not be available. Each customer will need to install their own stock sending unit we will supply the 6 bolt flange. We will be collecting 100.00 deposits on every order and will not start fabrication until after March 18th so that we can begin production. I am figuring 2-4 weeks to begin shipping after the Group Buy ordering window has expired. Boyd Welding can be contacted at 877-270-3576 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 09:17:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB3040537 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:17:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66099403A6 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:17:03 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=WPDuyWcS2McA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=brzKQ-DjT2oA:10 a=Ac2BBgA17xiIt8s09OAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55009] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 23/E3-11869-B5DB8315; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:16:27 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:16:36 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4azKVYznnvhMkNS9q6lXfq2cjccwAeVk0g Subject: Re: [TR] Science of the "Oil Issue" Part 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > a) It's the phosphorous in the Oil (NOT the Zinc) that forms > the barrier to abrasion on the surface of the lifters and camshaft. > However, the phosphorous is carried in ZDDP-- Zinc > dialkyldithiophosphate--and thus why it's sometimes just > abbreviated as "zinc". Sorry, but that's just silly. Phosphorus by itself is a dangerous highly reactive mineral that will literally burn when exposed to air. ZDDP is a complex organic compound with specific characteristics quite different than either zinc or phosphorous. Or carbon, or hydrogen, or oxygen, or sulfur; all of which are also important parts of ZDDP. So the important bit is the concentration of ZDDP, not either zinc or phosphorous by itself. > c) Boron and Molybdenum are the anti-friction additives. Wrong again. Those elements are part of the anti-friction additives, just like zinc is part of ZDDP. But it is the chemical that is important, not which atoms it is made of. Pure molybdenum would only increase friction. The actual additive is again a complex organic molecule that includes molybdenum or boron as one of it's elements. Think about it, next time you sprinkle some salt on your food. Salt is made of chlorine and sodium, both highly toxic and dangerous elements. But in combination they are totally different (essential to life and so on). > Moly, though, is the best and most expensive, but is also > magnetic (boron is not) Therefore, using a magnetic pickup > (drain plug or magnet on oil > filter?) to trap metal particles is only rendering your oil > less effective! Silly again. Yes, metallic molybdenum is slightly magnetic. So is sodium. But neither salt nor the molybdenum compounds used as oil additives are magnetic. The familiar "dry moly" (aka molybdenum disulphide) is actually slightly diamagnetic (meaning it gets repelled by a magnetic field). Magnetic drain plugs are standard equipment on practically all expensive and high-reliability engines; aircraft will typically even have a sensor that lights a big red light when the plug gets too much magnetic crud on it. Finally, keep in mind that this article was written by an employee of Joe Gibbs. You could hardly expect him to tell you that his employer sold an inferior product ... -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 10:32:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B6940449 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:32:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D1640435 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:32:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi8so451975wib.7 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:31:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rql4ovbdK0E6DBVk50wGlmgQ/BLe5oHoEYmKdje6qjE=; b=QBmiganL286TidEGibRyfM5I5ibA1Dqphbpx/ONXf2bQIx1XeIJHt7qMenoIcaf1rm p6KAyxNK8Q/VGM+ecXzC1VJEvixcdiuTSXa1Gg6bIY5WXBgvO1pokqXrjAu74pFu4qQj BPRpjeQpUkyeFxy5gWzq8kul6Qpr38GsYVDzG+TKed6oJg+101xuEdA0Vp/oUIvmac15 7T6g/XCzD5mADHzJdoXzvc84r3vRoUpWBoFWxrVNGORMyTBEEs8XD3bCmvnRwaxS18x2 nt+3BaIf12rH4ZyyLy3O62haeMVlkjIPb14fEp0se2vaM4alaKcbnVglWBFiJF8I/ozj IOcg== bb5mr56040129wjb.32.1362677507351; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.0.11 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:31:47 -0800 (PST) References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:31:47 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I didn't see a reference to shipping costs. That means either shipping is free or else it will be handled at the time of final payment. Considering what shipping costs are now days prospective buyers might want to take this into consideration. Another question that I have is will this fit a TR4? Off the top of my head I can't think of any reason it wouldn't fit but confirmation ahead of time would be great. Thanks! Brad On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > One of this year's winter projects was to design an aluminum fuel tank > that would fit "any" TR6 and give additional capacity. Dan Masters gave me > his 18 gallon design but that required modifying the trunk to get the tank > to fit. Another fellow designed a tank specific to his car with swirl pots > and a custom external pump....... I modified that design to make it more > generic to fit, hopefully, every TR6. I just updated my site ( > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.**org/AluminumTank.htm) > with the installation of the first tank produced and can say that it fit up > perfectly. You can see everything from the building of a mock up to the > final installation. Using math......and the internal tank dimensions, the > capacity should be about 15 gallons. I used Boyd Welding to make the tank > as custom aluminum gas tanks are the only thing they make ranging from 1 > quart to 5000 gallons. > > Keep in mind that a stock sized aluminum tank form Moss is $620 and $700 > from TRF. > > I have no financial interest in the sale of tanks by Boyd Welding but he > was kind enough to agree to special pricing until March 18th. > > The following are his words from an email sent to me: > > As for pricing it will be $425.00 for non efi and $ 725.00 for EFI tanks > including the Aeromotive Stealth 340. > > Reference part #b s > > #14020 Standard NON EFI = $ 425.00 > #14021 EFI with Stealth 340= $ 725.00 > > Because I am considering this a group buy the pricing will only be good > until Monday March 18th. After that the pricing will be normal prices which > will be $ 475.00 and $775.00. The EFI tanks are only available with our > Stealth 340 pump because of the custom cutout and flange required. An > option for the provision without the pump will not be available. Each > customer will need to install their own stock sending unit we will supply > the 6 bolt flange. > > We will be collecting 100.00 deposits on every order and will not start > fabrication until after March 18th so that we can begin production. I am > figuring 2-4 weeks to begin shipping after the Group Buy ordering window > has expired. > > Boyd Welding can be contacted at 877-270-3576 > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/bkahler1@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 11:14:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C85C40547 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:14:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF3240423 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M5uk5-1UxuDn3psH-00xtfh; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:13:30 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Brad Kahler" References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:13:31 -0500 jj5dVrzXq2wF2cAzS0UcVGyBZ5iPN4YEAMXgpvTZ4kryvE3BFb YbFesY+jVYe1X8IHwafChmJqny3uBLTvZpXW0FZtXPOg8mlN5L C7dU0YiQRP8ta8M/vVc8k64pyi7KdEVyB3MvJ4oCgedTDdtsm2 9oq7lDoqs8i1i1wwlegeGlPHWFhjlmx6o64s5MlNdr1n62Y0/A 7JuIh9dFG86d2gYjRLuQ/lGhSmNFqw8annr7XdC4do5v/qwZP/ UIoGZ0ymJS9UaYHAVIfg65OwylmLtMPnMPlqZAlqynKQgOwYRB dHSJv7g1fHkJFlJl+SUtyHT0RHgLgXxiln+33MyQz Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Brad, Shipping costs would be dependent on where you live. Boyd Welding is in Ocala Fl and the box weighed 28 lbs whiles measuring 36x16x16 so you could estimate the shipping cost. But youbre saving so much over Moss/TRF that youbve covered the shipping and more! >From what Ibve been told it should fit a TR4 but I have no way of testing that unless someone local with a TR4 wants to borrow my mock up tank to test fit. So if any TR4 owners in CT are willing, Ibll loan them the mock up tank. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more From: Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:31 PM To: Bob Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Bob, I didn't see a reference to shipping costs. That means either shipping is free or else it will be handled at the time of final payment. Considering what shipping costs are now days prospective buyers might want to take this into consideration. Another question that I have is will this fit a TR4? Off the top of my head I can't think of any reason it wouldn't fit but confirmation ahead of time would be great. Thanks! Brad On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: One of this year's winter projects was to design an aluminum fuel tank that would fit "any" TR6 and give additional capacity. Dan Masters gave me his 18 gallon design but that required modifying the trunk to get the tank to fit. Another fellow designed a tank specific to his car with swirl pots and a custom external pump....... I modified that design to make it more generic to fit, hopefully, every TR6. I just updated my site (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AluminumTank.htm) with the installation of the first tank produced and can say that it fit up perfectly. You can see everything from the building of a mock up to the final installation. Using math......and the internal tank dimensions, the capacity should be about 15 gallons. I used Boyd Welding to make the tank as custom aluminum gas tanks are the only thing they make ranging from 1 quart to 5000 gallons. Keep in mind that a stock sized aluminum tank form Moss is $620 and $700 from TRF. I have no financial interest in the sale of tanks by Boyd Welding but he was kind enough to agree to special pricing until March 18th. The following are his words from an email sent to me: As for pricing it will be $425.00 for non efi and $ 725.00 for EFI tanks including the Aeromotive Stealth 340. Reference part #b s #14020 Standard NON EFI = $ 425.00 #14021 EFI with Stealth 340= $ 725.00 Because I am considering this a group buy the pricing will only be good until Monday March 18th. After that the pricing will be normal prices which will be $ 475.00 and $775.00. The EFI tanks are only available with our Stealth 340 pump because of the custom cutout and flange required. An option for the provision without the pump will not be available. Each customer will need to install their own stock sending unit we will supply the 6 bolt flange. We will be collecting 100.00 deposits on every order and will not start fabrication until after March 18th so that we can begin production. I am figuring 2-4 weeks to begin shipping after the Group Buy ordering window has expired. Boyd Welding can be contacted at 877-270-3576 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 13:09:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F5940529 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:09:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7674044C for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id go11so753025lbb.8 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=D/ofbEGUz8fwJit8nT20TF1ioIP0rrIEkt7aKBc10OY=; b=G/VQoPCgZjJmR/1NBwccP8Gtc5Vg5ayEHp1/PgF2Rq+STEK+gEM8A+Rv99GtfouF2i 5N+x5LbfTIWHiEyzfZaUT/rZWnNOS70OkJkZkTVcNF6oFQJxZvGHuiuIs+81vcNEMFf0 ifNlO4hJ6cfkIsA+dZ9aB8iZgcwvfjFcBIhSm5TVOjfcmFnUL1i6vri9fvahOZFrviNx u2Dip7hR3pta4a790ST3C3zG/rLzuChwm1XHZWfcPcIPLmQfxI9xla7T4EwxMa0BWJel 7wHO3xzeds6P/jFokRPjLeR0otloVSlLbgfHEBuC1kSGODFTpWVhSfcBt8AMxxOGtiLh xiqA== Thu, 07 Mar 2013 12:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.130.41 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:08:28 -0800 (PST) References: <23.E3.11869.B5DB8315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 15:08:28 -0500 From: Larry Griffin To: Randall Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Science of the "Oil Issue" Part 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, Thank you for correcting the errors in the e-mail that I forwarded. I suppose I was too trusting in passing on the information, and certainly should not have retained that subject line based upon your comments. :-( Hope my posts do not lead anyone astray. I was most interested in the idea of the possible interaction of the ZDDP and detergent levels. But I guess that doesn't make much sense either, does it? Thanks, Larry On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Randall wrote: >> a) It's the phosphorous in the Oil (NOT the Zinc) that forms >> the barrier to abrasion on the surface of the lifters and camshaft. >> However, the phosphorous is carried in ZDDP-- Zinc >> dialkyldithiophosphate--and thus why it's sometimes just >> abbreviated as "zinc". > > Sorry, but that's just silly. Phosphorus by itself is a dangerous highly > reactive mineral that will literally burn when exposed to air. ZDDP is a > complex organic compound with specific characteristics quite different than > either zinc or phosphorous. Or carbon, or hydrogen, or oxygen, or sulfur; > all of which are also important parts of ZDDP. So the important bit is the > concentration of ZDDP, not either zinc or phosphorous by itself. > >> c) Boron and Molybdenum are the anti-friction additives. > > Wrong again. Those elements are part of the anti-friction additives, just > like zinc is part of ZDDP. But it is the chemical that is important, not > which atoms it is made of. Pure molybdenum would only increase friction. > The actual additive is again a complex organic molecule that includes > molybdenum or boron as one of it's elements. > > Think about it, next time you sprinkle some salt on your food. Salt is made > of chlorine and sodium, both highly toxic and dangerous elements. But in > combination they are totally different (essential to life and so on). > >> Moly, though, is the best and most expensive, but is also >> magnetic (boron is not) Therefore, using a magnetic pickup >> (drain plug or magnet on oil >> filter?) to trap metal particles is only rendering your oil >> less effective! > > Silly again. Yes, metallic molybdenum is slightly magnetic. So is sodium. > But neither salt nor the molybdenum compounds used as oil additives are > magnetic. The familiar "dry moly" (aka molybdenum disulphide) is actually > slightly diamagnetic (meaning it gets repelled by a magnetic field). > > Magnetic drain plugs are standard equipment on practically all expensive and > high-reliability engines; aircraft will typically even have a sensor that > lights a big red light when the plug gets too much magnetic crud on it. > > Finally, keep in mind that this article was written by an employee of Joe > Gibbs. You could hardly expect him to tell you that his employer sold an > inferior product ... > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/larrygriffin.nc@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 13:44:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D9A40550 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:44:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA8B40435 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2013 20:43:32 +0000 Received: from EasyEd (74-46-216-251.dsl1.chtw.wv.frontiernet.net [74.46.216.251]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B48664A059 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 20:43:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "Ed Oot" To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 15:43:23 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac4bcmlkaWxA1mRrQ5i/oJkPxJ4y/g== Subject: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Curious about the opinions of the list on this. Question is in regard to TR3, but I suppose is applicable to any LBC. When, if ever. Is a rear main oil leak significant enough to warrant a rebuild. I don't know for positive but I do not believe this motor has been rebuilt in the last 15 years (or so). However, the car runs strong, does not burn oil, has great oil pressure and compression, and would seem to have no other reason to rebuild other than the leak. I have not tried to measure the amount of oil that leaks out after good run, but we are not talking drips. I would call it more of small puddle. At one time I thought that it may have been the oil pan, but I have had that off 3 times and have re-installed per all the direction from the list, so I don't believe that is a factor. I do believe there is a leak from the front sealing block , but doesn't appear to be the major culprit. Seems a shame to rebuild a perfectly good running motor. But???? Thanks Ed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 13:50:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D7240550 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:50:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bear.ext.ti.com (bear.ext.ti.com [192.94.94.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EB640435 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:50:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from dlelxv30.itg.ti.com ([172.17.2.17]) by bear.ext.ti.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r27Ko1Rl020431 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:50:01 -0600 Received: from DFLE72.ent.ti.com (dfle72.ent.ti.com [128.247.5.109]) by dlelxv30.itg.ti.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r27Ko1UN023841 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:50:01 -0600 Received: from DLEE74.ent.ti.com (157.170.170.8) by DFLE72.ent.ti.com (128.247.5.109) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:50:00 -0600 Received: from DLEE20.ent.ti.com ([fe80::ddd7:734f:b052:de5a]) by DLEE74.ent.ti.com ([fe80::a0f1:125b:e7e3:7ed8%18]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:50:01 -0600 From: "Fisher, Ed" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: oil science and break-in question Thread-Index: Ac4bdVWXEjwCvJyvRC+YooF8t//OLw== Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 20:50:00 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [157.170.170.90] Subject: [TR] oil science and break-in question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a question, and I will lob it out there for any and all to answer. Once I have broken in my flat tappet cam with the proper break-in oil, can my film of lubricity then be washed away if I use modern oils after that? Thanks, Ed Fisher Dallas, Tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 14:06:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEFA40556 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:06:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2D940435 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:05:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-70-220.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.70.220]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MJB000CJ6JJ2R10@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:04:38 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-07_07:2013-03-07,2013-03-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1212290000 definitions=main-1303070176 From: Darrell Walker Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:04:31 -0800 References: <004701ce1b74$69fba9a0$3df2fce0$@citlink.net> To: Ed Oot Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ed, My opinion, when it annoys you enough to pull the engine. Or if it was leaking bad enough to cause other problems, or causing your oil level to drop between checksl to potentially damage the engine. Other than that, it really shouldn't be a problem, so you need to make the decision about living with it. -Darrell On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Ed Oot wrote: > Curious about the opinions of the list on this. Question is in regard to > TR3, but I suppose is applicable to any LBC. When, if ever. Is a rear main > oil leak significant enough to warrant a rebuild. I don't know for positive > but I do not believe this motor has been rebuilt in the last 15 years (or > so). However, the car runs strong, does not burn oil, has great oil > pressure and compression, and would seem to have no other reason to rebuild > other than the leak. I have not tried to measure the amount of oil that > leaks out after good run, but we are not talking drips. I would call it > more of small puddle. At one time I thought that it may have been the oil > pan, but I have had that off 3 times and have re-installed per all the > direction from the list, so I don't believe that is a factor. I do believe > there is a leak from the front sealing block , but doesn't appear to be the > major culprit. Seems a shame to rebuild a perfectly good running motor. > But???? > > > > Thanks > > Ed > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw360@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 16:11:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4B0425C3 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:11:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C88242526 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:10:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8n5v1l0011ei1Bg57nADgx; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 23:10:13 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8nAD1l01h2ymm843knADSX; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 23:10:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:10:13 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Ed Oot (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1362697813; bh=rAP7LH6D24krbIUr93QZX5FRAjn+dlycFMAMtj8DqIE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hpXQ7XB+NxiEY6Pkrhw48CUDhlkaPbcE+b4vu+PHFI+OI0Lvs3XsRpVbWENa3J5v8 E1YO0f8b8Is7DgWQnGXJ5LUQ5uHCrXLZTBCo3Ym0HbS7oafv+C7T8FETy6uSl3R/nU bU/1AbVzBc5LlmdAeqBrhFmji7F66ttupTSh3LR4tu3V+y+ujkzC5eSPmARHxuI6cx OHRcMogr9PCUKjWNE4XIotAKHy1I2/P2BEVva/ub7c2Qep33SG91UFPR/EhP8zBIth TW3y6W0CCWco7qj9sbI67+/HQZBQDYGTWkHERoWNobyHlzmkUtKVJlQcykwh+STpg4 BdQkAsIhiIjLw== Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >When, if ever. Is a rear main >oil leak significant enough to warrant a rebuild. I've rebuilt mine twice because I had to. Each time, I've not managed to control the oil from leaking, despite going to the new real oil seals. Then again, I insist on using Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic, and I expect Mobil builds into the DNA of that oil the intrinsic nature to seek my garage floor. Not sure what you're running, but syn may exacerbate the problem.... Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 17:11:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C9640338 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:11:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5B54032A for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:11:30 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=3AVP1J9eRv7TfQMV6rEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:36208] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B4/AA-25887-C8C29315; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:10:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 0:10:52 +0000 From: Randall Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Not sure what you're running, but syn may exacerbate the problem.... As a side comment, oil consumption on my "hauler" (old Buick station wagon, Chevy 350 motor) went up sharply when I tried Mobil 1 in it. (Someone gave me a case of it, so I had to try it.) But when I went back to Valvoline full synthetic, the oil consumption went back down. Valvoline SynPower also reduced consumption in my previous hauler with a Chevy 2.8 V6. It's not "synthetic" that is the problem IMO, it is "Mobil 1". Alas, SynPower has never reduced consumption in my Triumphs. But it hasn't increased it either. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 17:20:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344D44038B for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:20:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DA54032A for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:20:12 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=AdqaIldLjkIA:10 a=xHsfbYGaOcNRIG9h3VsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_5cOzml1SGwlm8At:21 a=WTS2QP0ALHNAg6om:21 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:36558] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 0A/C8-06772-69E29315; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:19:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 0:19:34 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "Fisher, Ed" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] oil science and break-in question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- "Fisher wrote: > I have a question, and I will lob it out there for any and all to answer. > Once I have broken in my flat tappet cam with the proper break-in oil, can my > film of lubricity then be washed away if I use modern oils after that? Assuming you mean the microscopic film from ZDDP, then I believe the answer is yes. As I understand it, when the film of regular oil breaks down and allows metal-to-metal contact, the film left by the ZDDP acts as a dry lubricant but eventually gets rubbed away and then grows back if there is enough ZDDP in the oil so it can be rubbed away next time. Whether that ever happens in a stock TR motor is a different question. I remain unconvinced, especially since I covered several hundred thousand miles with "low zinc" oil in a TR3 motor. Unfortunately, that engine already had significant cam wear when it came to me (as shown by measured lift being low), so tearing it down wouldn't prove much of anything. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 17:25:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3FA40333 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:25:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9275B4032A for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 00:22:43 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.103] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 00:22:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 00:22:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 75794 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2013 00:22:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362702162; bh=8pVPn9yaTxQt3ECa9+VBYIsP5DkBGyZTyRkfoRcL6e0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Nq7JnfG94rFKVDagNArQGCZ/DWhCVDGH5iXhdaWBrdVkF9IZQE+flWw3EhfU9PckVSptb95STTBJydqZaDNGplzkpOymprAMagWKcORV4NVNm9jpApxHowk/86/nia/zuD6oIoZDle7/xuTJEkk80ryEKJ09cV51eyY+t9Mblxw= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PmvR//y/zwbLhe2zNFsZszXIJdIjWPLtOfsb8wrw3GISzBwL5Jp/K5lg+xKbzbYhNXMMluancLu55I8olCBPSsQ6qY10jyG9wLZcVSrFYNpHXE19mlSABD0uxDfA0xj333z+HgtZ1BMqVmVKrW92rbJ8QhgQhAK+9vHERO+evqE=; yaYFw3qj88XaVY8vGAteWQnlRbrgMiHiln1W_tczLdkTSNxlLn1az764x0NW MDpCKFsag_MU4axJvvgDO7g9XkZx.kpwVhD2nIfrx3tTrMi67.06Rp3SZBir 3pc.LckdrfU6COSLhaE9eiXxKxyp1sk5bHb49kFG9qR_SQYmml9BZihG69Il R5mxbWapFWk2MoMZnBZ36m1Ccx8yplSoWdNUPdavbZdb2jR_AgI5Io_8tW68 08DwYLNV1uMPHgph7wp3G2KnJVXDuM1hbLNVNwqu7CBspA8QxgmeA9EvoCgF CxmUswSwdDMkQr72Z61p4kLzqkcb880pGV88mmQxFYT5unVpz0omKWuwKQiF t2nVFVGkEFelj1GcfYKP_LP.hi21N1blHBdbtPEVBCUXHSpp0w0raRIhoV4f fEG8UUk11Gpx7Ukp8gmozvETh8fktWGR6E.wVON0q Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:22:42 PST SSBjYW4gdGVsbCB5b3UgdGhhdCBhIHN0b2NrIFRSNiB0YW5rIGZpdHMgaW50byBhIFRSNCB3aXRoIG5vIHByb2JsZW1zLiAgVGhlIG9ubHkgZGlmZmVyZW5jZSBJIGNvdWxkIHNlZSBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSB0d28gd2FzIHRoYXQgdGhlIFRSNCB0YW5rIGhhcyBhIGJhbmpvIHR5cGUgdmVudCBvdXRsZXQgb24gdGhlIHRvcCByaWdodCBjb3JuZXIuICBUaGUgVFI2IGhhcyBub3RoaW5nIHRoZXJlIGlmIGlmIHJlbWVtYmVyIGNvcnJlY3RseS4NCg0KRWR3YXJkIEhhbWVyDQpQZXRhbHVtYSBDQQEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can tell you that a stock TR6 tank fits into a TR4 with no problems. The only difference I could see between the two was that the TR4 tank has a banjo type vent outlet on the top right corner. The TR6 has nothing there if if remember correctly. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 17:26:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E24D40E20 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:26:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939B74032A for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:26:43 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=xACKXexqAAAA:8 a=Out8hd4iUdSM52-otsYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=OlcWR8RHPf4A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:36830] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 52/98-04559-D1039315; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:26:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 0:26:05 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs@autox.team.net, Ed Oot Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Ed Oot wrote: > Curious about the opinions of the list on this. Question is in regard to > TR3, but I suppose is applicable to any LBC. When, if ever. Is a rear main > oil leak significant enough to warrant a rebuild. My approach is to match the costs of dealing with the leak, against the cost of fixing it. That includes not just the oil and the cleanup, but the hassle of adding more periodically and the embarrassment of a car that "Marks it's spot" like a poorly trained dog. At some point, maybe the leak would bug me enough to tear the motor down, but it hasn't happened yet. Most of my current oil spot seems to be under the road draft tube though, the original rear main seal seems to be holding better than the one my previous TR3A did. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 17:36:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA67403B2 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:36:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F263C4032A for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:36:28 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=brzKQ-DjT2oA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=yHN0tfIgW3cU8EqJdKwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:37259] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 36/E7-11869-66239315; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:35:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 0:35:50 +0000 From: Randall To: Larry Griffin Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Science of the "Oil Issue" Part 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Larry Griffin wrote: > Hope my posts do not lead anyone astray. I was most interested in the > idea of the possible interaction of the ZDDP and detergent levels. But > I guess that doesn't make much sense either, does it? Actually, I believe that part does make sense. Perhaps not exactly in those terms, but there is no doubt that various additives can interfere with each other's operation. The literature is full of "This seemed to work by itself but didn't work when we combined it with that." stories. The oil manufacturers put a lot of work into finding just the right amount of each additive, it is an engineering specialty all unto itself. And as I think has been pointed out before, even too much ZDDP can lead to problems. That is why I think it makes far more sense to buy an oil already formulated to whatever your specifications are, than try to "improve" any old oil by dumping your own additives into it. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 21:27:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6897140397 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 21:27:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C39840334 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 21:26:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.166.36.24] (mobile-166-137-112-079.mycingular.net [166.137.112.79]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lllto-1Un9gu3rqi-00Zoef; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 23:25:39 -0500 To: Randall From: Jeremiah Curry Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 21:25:22 -0700 HzZOklJazs97LXttwAAemQPMTALKKH397pK7ACJf6p3rkCwDI4 pNQ4FSd8X+RQwcRVIrC6Av6PXsOq5jC+jPeeHbfS/Qw2GAYymU ri01XL+DvHsQRBnDo/lhFY0mfa+RAPNHJenTjmokrI9sTvNJms uFebtlXF+5YbdKZrvn16zMAiGx8EzHMhdRQLIM4mAz3Ant35oe LUxKFVqX5OhrPTRQL0gQFksyOQJlFPqVDd0+dm9gBRXsP2m8dQ p9Syuzk0qCYYsrO73qClJnYIn0P+NGfxCTIs8zIJFa5tI+My9t EZvM7nrtAMUTLDDotTjZafokN1jcWsL6O6+U+rRkd Cc: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have never had a consumption problem with mobile 1 on turbocharged Audis or my mr2 turbo...but thy probably have much tighter tolerances than American engines. No offence intended by that comment, just my understanding -----Original Message----- From: "Randall" Sent: b3/b7/b2013 5:11 PM Cc: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild > Not sure what you're running, but syn may exacerbate the problem.... As a side comment, oil consumption on my "hauler" (old Buick station wagon, Chevy 350 motor) went up sharply when I tried Mobil 1 in it. (Someone gave me a case of it, so I had to try it.) But when I went back to Valvoline full synthetic, the oil consumption went back down. Valvoline SynPower also reduced consumption in my previous hauler with a Chevy 2.8 V6. It's not "synthetic" that is the problem IMO, it is "Mobil 1". Alas, SynPower has never reduced consumption in my Triumphs. But it hasn't increased it either. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah@curryclan.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 22:57:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D21403A5 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 22:57:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D6740358 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 22:57:26 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=ZlarP3qq3Xd1zh0EqncA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9B/43-25887-F9D79315; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 05:56:47 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 21:56:57 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4btR4yWw6h5U2HQCC4QxuG1wvCFwADFZ/A Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have never had a consumption problem with mobile 1 on > turbocharged Audis or my mr2 turbo...but thy probably have > much tighter tolerances than American engines. No offence > intended by that comment, just my understanding None taken. I'm also guessing that your cars haven't covered 1/4 million miles each But I suspect it has more to do with the effects of the additives on old seals than engine tolerances. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 01:31:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C839C428BB for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:31:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A6DDD428AD for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:30:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 08:29:54 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.91] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 08:29:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 08:29:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14851 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2013 08:29:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362731394; bh=Cl5KxN7ZqAowuwYKYx2Mdhj6/7AuY3BjICvp+1Whaic=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cJ3BhfTjZkVzu09/ON/IVr0pLVwsXCoeBmjBaBDuXfAaxcc7H+N1XPohTd5133LTK4J3DO0gJlVRQIW3lzyylLCLny8eFJUramxcGJMTYtjUO4ibxRHMX38fBBzQojhe07jl3UDnnHbJM7hoYoIavg0IDmWbkIb63Ic0RnbIyEQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e8ioKYUDFcffsSUZ1Cel8/utlxHi4IYE33IKCNNGAgBd+EMSUIDyI8XSe/48tZtNFTGqppWoJgvB/NbupSmoX3Y9tTk1Q4tuGX4IFUAKMFieoLr9J7WBbe/OHFxitMvRQd+YTj6nUbNugMKGRbRxQ5fElFzbi3LQlBeLC2qoQ5c=; xPOlZ9YbliynGhFHmKda78_DZClfQCih1alXKOQrNuLlj_Z84YTgvP.mOocA BzeOi9iVbsbZ6OTrUXNoGosO.K6P488yOwsrhOeX9jw4LIT9EyNlqHNnu.FA 9wy9L8If_bSMDwWK5rH2srAiQOge7twrZfnmbrTczDLpcnAjwVHP.OMfNURX 2Gv4fQMeHKdFpuIIeVFORNk9Q5.sb.qv1Qg8CoNesBmjECckIkBGDVdspHU_ jf4B47kSqPxwXPbWfpE8ikfn4FIdGk7K6rxXLYPdn4P2VOApqNHigmrNzfpp IFxRuOF2aMlft1Lz2OUZhtymeZRxX6H8iN18s6Mk9vEp7LGavlyJvnYXadR2 ctWAcybpKpkEdwl1XCWASy1cYA8lhZVP5ng5cwbXx2mBCm1ah2JMo0FPyHpP F9K_R1wqEMdi9yw8fv1XH9yboJD83ZBpp8fIw.xI15rmjhKsFVZnFExjj2BM 9Byq9PofvdV3ZN1QOB5k.VMlXa2V.ePUn9aECU.O.pXYvfiCu3keYcE3UDBL Eczkbt3qE0b2p5prjag-- Received: from [41.151.84.24] by web171402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 08:29:54 GMT aHR0cDovL3d3dy5yZWZvcm1hc29zdGVuaWJsZS5jb20vY3liYWJ2L3lkaHZkL2ptb3NoeHBwcmxmb2Mvd2hvL2xhcCAgCgoKCiBKb2huIE1hY2FydG5leSAKCgozLzgvMjAxMyA5OjI5OjUyIEFNICAgATABAQEB Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:29:54 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Rowan , triumphs Subject: [TR] 3/8/2013 9:29:52 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.reformasostenible.com/cybabv/ydhvd/jmoshxpprlfoc/who/lap John Macartney 3/8/2013 9:29:52 AM ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 01:58:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCA2428DA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:58:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1168240440 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id dq12so1504600wgb.0 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=B0Av/PcyGFZFHKZ9WzOFK4GK1zmBDZRK6+p9EswLaSs=; b=IwunXXm82WqCWS5pw3YGWJrtHGuqFuS+9LCL+b+YcgnChBWyitHn/GzyaZ8oOLkDda 7OCC1VV6zbHZ4p666QlL3whMx2bkcxvmhUQilvc7o7Td9lucYCxPQNqSNiLWyh/awRT3 IJP5pahEzhCuaW09kTnBJECAY5Tfa4sRORHGnqdboaFypQlusIjBPn7pbijTv5Sjl0rA S+3pUK/IeiRJA+CVU1+HI2lp2AcZKmtUmRC5P6U2ur+rQtHgmtTjIbcRTbeT483lpdg5 qI8v2gj9aZk8d3TkRH/LaXLNqyJaqtqxAOW1M50eIlioIpz/C/TCsN3+twOxVsoSZ78H uU5w== gh1mr35573865wib.27.1362684382854; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.0.11 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:26:22 -0800 (PST) References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:26:22 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Using the dimensions you provided and 28 lbs (UPS used dimensional weight of 56 lbs) and an insured value of $500 the cost of shipping for me would be about $41. So what it amounts to is if I pre-order (early bird special!) then I save shipping costs. Otherwise for me it would run about $525 after March 18th. I'm not really in need of a tank but having 5 extra gallons sure would be nice so I'm seriously thinking about this :) Where I live in Kentucky once you get out in the mountains and the backwoods, finding a gas station can be problematic. I don't imagine it would be likely that someone local to you in Connecticut will be able to test fit before March 18th. I need to see if I have a TR6 tank sitting on the shelf. Thanks! Brad On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > Hi Brad, > Shipping costs would be dependent on where you live. Boyd Welding is in > Ocala Fl and the box weighed 28 lbs whiles measuring 36x16x16 so you could > estimate the shipping cost. But youre saving so much over Moss/TRF that > youve covered the shipping and more! > > From what Ive been told it should fit a TR4 but I have no way of testing > that unless someone local with a TR4 wants to borrow my mock up tank to > test fit. So if any TR4 owners in CT are willing, Ill loan them the mock > up tank. > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ > > 1975 TR6 modified with: > -Throttle Body Injection > -Toyota 5 Speed > -Nissan Differential > -AAW Wire Harness > -CVJs... and more > > *From:* Brad Kahler > *Sent:* Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:31 PM > *To:* Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> > *Cc:* Triumphs > *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons > > Bob, I didn't see a reference to shipping costs. That means either > shipping is free or else it will be handled at the time of final payment. > Considering what shipping costs are now days prospective buyers might want > to take this into consideration. > > Another question that I have is will this fit a TR4? Off the top of my > head I can't think of any reason it wouldn't fit but confirmation ahead of > time would be great. > > Thanks! > > Brad > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org>wrote: > >> One of this year's winter projects was to design an aluminum fuel tank >> that would fit "any" TR6 and give additional capacity. Dan Masters gave me >> his 18 gallon design but that required modifying the trunk to get the tank >> to fit. Another fellow designed a tank specific to his car with swirl pots >> and a custom external pump....... I modified that design to make it more >> generic to fit, hopefully, every TR6. I just updated my site ( >> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.**org/AluminumTank.htm) >> with the installation of the first tank produced and can say that it fit up >> perfectly. You can see everything from the building of a mock up to the >> final installation. Using math......and the internal tank dimensions, the >> capacity should be about 15 gallons. I used Boyd Welding to make the tank >> as custom aluminum gas tanks are the only thing they make ranging from 1 >> quart to 5000 gallons. >> >> Keep in mind that a stock sized aluminum tank form Moss is $620 and $700 >> from TRF. >> >> I have no financial interest in the sale of tanks by Boyd Welding but he >> was kind enough to agree to special pricing until March 18th. >> >> The following are his words from an email sent to me: >> >> As for pricing it will be $425.00 for non efi and $ 725.00 for EFI tanks >> including the Aeromotive Stealth 340. >> >> Reference part #b s >> >> #14020 Standard NON EFI = $ 425.00 >> #14021 EFI with Stealth 340= $ 725.00 >> >> Because I am considering this a group buy the pricing will only be good >> until Monday March 18th. After that the pricing will be normal prices which >> will be $ 475.00 and $775.00. The EFI tanks are only available with our >> Stealth 340 pump because of the custom cutout and flange required. An >> option for the provision without the pump will not be available. Each >> customer will need to install their own stock sending unit we will supply >> the 6 bolt flange. >> >> We will be collecting 100.00 deposits on every order and will not start >> fabrication until after March 18th so that we can begin production. I am >> figuring 2-4 weeks to begin shipping after the Group Buy ordering window >> has expired. >> >> Boyd Welding can be contacted at 877-270-3576 >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/triumphs/bkahler1@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 02:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E7A428D0 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 02:01:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395B140443 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:27:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi8so544094wib.1 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:27:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qHCv8/3NOZhE9ecl9MuBW2jjM1PDGHOqOEz7l/W3Fp8=; b=FEs/sZypVLEor00dWtqehKDuI4XkZYAjXazx/kC11LbpCDtMZjar2UgxIq5P/UH98D Lr5A0t0J6alX1rGw56zj2maLwBn/S5Jix7OODEg6qsws6oENDrI43GdQ/mBH13Vxnt0u BtAumVlHnCYfQaK6epiMaZKVqunIHWcYZ8ParY1Q4LNP+ehZ4Y607n/m01oyUnL08CtC GGBu9mNkv90IaXWNdtpICG43mvo1cxcJ7TQMG9yMH6wNMqzVVB2OiDb+bjHhvKwEyKfu syGgL4dDA5edMpP5thl4oMQbMSaenlyOGWYqi1lfNb+ekXYeuP85Mj/9+IZ179SXr+am ZNRQ== bb5mr56749590wjb.32.1362684428758; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.0.11 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:27:08 -0800 (PST) References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:27:08 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Forgot to ask, do you have photos of your mock up that I could compare to the tanks that I do have? Thanks! Brad On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > Hi Brad, > Shipping costs would be dependent on where you live. Boyd Welding is in > Ocala Fl and the box weighed 28 lbs whiles measuring 36x16x16 so you could > estimate the shipping cost. But youre saving so much over Moss/TRF that > youve covered the shipping and more! > > From what Ive been told it should fit a TR4 but I have no way of testing > that unless someone local with a TR4 wants to borrow my mock up tank to > test fit. So if any TR4 owners in CT are willing, Ill loan them the mock > up tank. > > Bob > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ > > 1975 TR6 modified with: > -Throttle Body Injection > -Toyota 5 Speed > -Nissan Differential > -AAW Wire Harness > -CVJs... and more > > *From:* Brad Kahler > *Sent:* Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:31 PM > *To:* Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> > *Cc:* Triumphs > *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons > > Bob, I didn't see a reference to shipping costs. That means either > shipping is free or else it will be handled at the time of final payment. > Considering what shipping costs are now days prospective buyers might want > to take this into consideration. > > Another question that I have is will this fit a TR4? Off the top of my > head I can't think of any reason it wouldn't fit but confirmation ahead of > time would be great. > > Thanks! > > Brad > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org>wrote: > >> One of this year's winter projects was to design an aluminum fuel tank >> that would fit "any" TR6 and give additional capacity. Dan Masters gave me >> his 18 gallon design but that required modifying the trunk to get the tank >> to fit. Another fellow designed a tank specific to his car with swirl pots >> and a custom external pump....... I modified that design to make it more >> generic to fit, hopefully, every TR6. I just updated my site ( >> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.**org/AluminumTank.htm) >> with the installation of the first tank produced and can say that it fit up >> perfectly. You can see everything from the building of a mock up to the >> final installation. Using math......and the internal tank dimensions, the >> capacity should be about 15 gallons. I used Boyd Welding to make the tank >> as custom aluminum gas tanks are the only thing they make ranging from 1 >> quart to 5000 gallons. >> >> Keep in mind that a stock sized aluminum tank form Moss is $620 and $700 >> from TRF. >> >> I have no financial interest in the sale of tanks by Boyd Welding but he >> was kind enough to agree to special pricing until March 18th. >> >> The following are his words from an email sent to me: >> >> As for pricing it will be $425.00 for non efi and $ 725.00 for EFI tanks >> including the Aeromotive Stealth 340. >> >> Reference part #b s >> >> #14020 Standard NON EFI = $ 425.00 >> #14021 EFI with Stealth 340= $ 725.00 >> >> Because I am considering this a group buy the pricing will only be good >> until Monday March 18th. After that the pricing will be normal prices which >> will be $ 475.00 and $775.00. The EFI tanks are only available with our >> Stealth 340 pump because of the custom cutout and flange required. An >> option for the provision without the pump will not be available. Each >> customer will need to install their own stock sending unit we will supply >> the 6 bolt flange. >> >> We will be collecting 100.00 deposits on every order and will not start >> fabrication until after March 18th so that we can begin production. I am >> figuring 2-4 weeks to begin shipping after the Group Buy ordering window >> has expired. >> >> Boyd Welding can be contacted at 877-270-3576 >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/triumphs/bkahler1@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 02:09:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3340D42932 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 02:09:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D6C34006E for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:12:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2013 17:11:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.115] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2013 17:11:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2013 17:11:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 38809 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2013 17:11:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362676293; bh=0nuKKFpS52r9tZ3KelOGM8hbq5GNMWRIi664PHonlII=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a7T/iTvUaSmlKG8dp0z7y+mtmw9TROj1tqTPSqUlhMBjjY+YCE3QOsq2GZ0xIIzfOSOBodjSlzd1+EhT35299vxAgMMYKYNZ33FSM9GWY6qSjql1MzDQS1pOlyhDg+183euMUQun27bNZGTxih3BRmIjYv61eLIVc2Xr8wAwtkI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ClkRih5Uzv2slQDqhnbr/KHQcUAs8NC1qlq+q2cHZDhsLhv9CwazwiOKv41uzsEloTBCYSiqkhGKNag73xNQFw4/1llrt+rcuLN9S6vgYnq3BHmgQjEsWHLsqW38jNM6ibPF4E5KiH9Q7SUtx6xDr0o1/dEEO31pPttvTZMfP5Y=; S8r.PJwsXKAbVujwIJhLhuM9MhuEFGgq2NCdVqIdT.9ixSz9SeIsHBv3kcX2 VqsCuqCIx2VA4p7xNA51.BPQVHUZTy7ZQ4rNzUuXLC.Mz0KIvorCutcoJtB. x96mV4PzIH3wLMDsJtloMmmp9xt_cL6N9bpnXXknVHrihGl0_NpUnLHKZvoA wdaFvazuCi1njWNYR.gPUWft7LEVlvsO1QHG1t1G_IzQmZhelXEmeuv1KQV_ 5SV1FuunVEWwbd7F9FDktxswOXqXnKdgwvbVELfMI9XmvriI9mw66LLTW5Dc GuMf.njMiz284mGt.JYspK0ccj_mwyXWBqEZsp3izFFDfnSeZ0YFAugUWVSQ Wn6gldBSpIKEBIh5p9332PGPgbunF._7fyvQkqejcPJhGDdjrurjqNsNPC5D cfHDUXBTPQetFaW47pRlqHmqaAdA1T_6sdQeudFPx7k6JjGi0WOn83FNHqM3 bLLmI0dTeLT_jeLk2yK2Xtx15RNaASDOVHUMjQqBpaPnaemyjaC.GmlA3faL l44iclCVVKiJVnL5tUlldmFFINqx9yeIrRugQmKVY_biyigOc.ACNRRBMymZ C_QT6k4P8B7s2r61N4q.9eyVEYOu1oZjnNgibN6bG3piYJsX8kh3yPu0OXxC 2qPGtBfxDRtXl94Nl_uaDCrVcNjN.jH_yqDnoCS4xBZQnYpC8_GBqX84mnZH x8FkY Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:11:32 GMT SSBjYW4ndCBjb21tZW50IG9uIHRoZSB0ZWNobmljYWwgYXNwZWN0cyBvZiBMYXJyeSBHcmlmZmluJ3MgY29waWVkIHRyZWF0aXNlIGJlY2F1c2UgSSdtIG5vdCBhIGNoZW1pc3QgYW5kIEkgZG9uJ3QgY2xhaW0gdG8ga25vdyBtdWNoIGFib3V0IG1vZGVybiBsdWJyaWNhbnRzLiBJIGp1c3QgZmVlbCBzb3JyeSBmb3IgeW91IGd1eXMgd2hvIGFwcGVhciB0byBiZSBmaW5kaW5nIHRoZW1zZWx2ZXMgInN0dWZmZWQiIHdpdGggd2hhdGV2ZXIgdGhlIG9pbCBjb21wYW5pZXMgZmVlbCB5b3Ugb3VnaHQgdG8gYnV5LiABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:11:32 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Science of the "Oil Issue" Part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can't comment on the technical aspects of Larry Griffin's copied treatise because I'm not a chemist and I don't claim to know much about modern lubricants. I just feel sorry for you guys who appear to be finding themselves "stuffed" with whatever the oil companies feel you ought to buy. Here in the UK we haven't had anything of the ZDDP issues although companies such as Castrol and Duckhams are still blending oils which they claim are suitable and designed for engines of "our period." That said - and with absolutely NFI, especially as I don't own a 'classic' any more, many of my friends here are using an oil called "Golden Film" which is made in the UK by a firm called Morris Lubricants. These people go back to the 1860's and much of their business is blending base stock for many 'out of date' types of machinery - e.g steam engines, old trucks, you name it. A quick search of the 'net reveals they have a US importer whose details appear below. Someone might want to give Classic or May a call? FWIW Morris's main website is at www.morrislubricants.co.uk/ Jonmac Classic Oil Supply 3023 W.Marshall Street, Richmond, Virginia, 23230, USA Tel: (804) 261-4140 classicoilsupply@aol.com Mike May's Auto Shed 8369 North Gills Pier Road, Northport, Michigan, 49670, USA Tel: 231-386-5049 or 231-386-7213 mkmay@alldial.net, website: steamcylinderoil.com John http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: Larry Griffin >To: 6pack@autox.team.net >Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013, 0:44 >Subject: [TR] Science of the "Oil Issue" Part 2 > >The e-mail below was posted to the North Carolina MG Car Club list by >Max Fulton, of the Flying Circus English Cars in Durham, NC. To me, it >seemed to have some new information on the subject related to the >level of ZDDP to detergents in the oil. Max gave me permission to post >it to 6-Pack and the Triumph list. I am posting in 2 parts due to size >limitations. > >NFI in Flying Circus. :-) > >Thanks, >Larry Griffin >71 TR6 > > >Part 2 by Max Fulton: > >THE NET RESULT: Commercial oils will not suffice. They are made for >modern cars and a larger market, and subject to change. Just like you >wouldn't go into AutoPalace to get a part for your LBC, you pretty >much can't go there for your Oil now, either. > >Mobil 1 used to be an oil of preference, esp. for Racing. It built up >a reputationb& then changed it's formulation for the masses. At the >moment, Valvoline VR1 is considered a "decent" oil, but the worry is >the same-- it is sold commercially, and they may change their >formulation at any time without telling in what way and by how much. >(The B-Stingers got caught out on this: we used Kendall GT1 initially, >(and Mr. Speed even used this as his example for an "excellent" old >formulae 20w-50!) Well, they got bought out, changed the formulation >without notice-- and we wiped out a camshaft!) > >A "classic" oil will be formulated for old classic (flat tappet) cars. >It will NOT change it's formulation, because this IS what it is for! > >There are many of these types of oils out there, but two that I know >of are Brad Penn and Joe Gibbs Racing. > >As for Camshafts: Currently the only guy I know of who is selling the >highest quality camshafts (and he's having a hard time getting these >made to his specification!) is Kai Radicke at Wishbone Classics. REM: >the better the finish on the cam and lifters, the less phosphorous >required in the oil to maintain a protective film. I'm not saying >other cams do not have as good a finish-- we don't have the ability to >test them and it isn't information our suppliers have to give us. I do >know, however (as I asked Mr. Speed this directly), that Kai's cams >have the same finish on them as they use at Joe Gibbs Racing for their >NASCAR cams. (2Ra-- often cams are found to be more like 6 - 8Ra >(coarser).) > >Addendum to Camshafts: STAY AWAY from hardest lifters! Moss and others >(APT) are now boasting lifters with Rockwell ratings of 64+. This >means it's quite possible they will be HARDER than the camshaft you >run them on! Well, this is no good. The lifter, where necessary (read: >oil failures), is still supposed to be the "wear item". The OE lifters >(part # 2A13, bucket style, made by AE) had a hardness of around >54-56. These are fine. > >Given what we know, the finish on the two mating surfaces is likely >more important than their actual hardness. NASCAR's lifters, for >instance, running on that super-smooth camshaft, are only a Rockwell >of 50b&. > >Modern technology is leaving us behind. Support those who are trying to help >us. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 02:12:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91351428BE for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 02:12:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BB240357 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 21:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23361 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2013 04:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2013 04:20:10 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=62681 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UDomv-0005Dm-Qk; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:20:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:20:05 -0600 To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "Fisher, Ed" From: Tony Drews References: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A3ED6C119@DLEE20.ent.ti.com> <20130308001934.THK49.34666.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] oil science and break-in question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd tend to continue to use oils with a higher ZDDP level than the run of the mill oil. There are some varieties that aren't terribly expensive. Valvoline makes a few (like the VR-1 line), I think Castrol has seen the light on one or two of its oils too. Part of the equation is how much force is being placed on the tappet - having heavy valve springs and a high lift cam certainly can increase the forces and make the engine more sensitive to this, but the forces placed on the tappet are kind of one of those black art things. A low lift cam with improper ramps can cause all sorts of interesting / bad forces. Just using high ZDDP for break-in doesn't protect the cam and tappets for life. But the break-in period (especially the first 20 minutes after the rebuild) are very key to getting the cam and tappets happy with each other. Tony Drews At 06:19 PM 3/7/2013, Randall wrote: >---- "Fisher wrote: > > I have a question, and I will lob it out there for any and all to answer. > > Once I have broken in my flat tappet cam with the proper break-in > oil, can my > > film of lubricity then be washed away if I use modern oils after that? > >Assuming you mean the microscopic film from ZDDP, then I believe the >answer is yes. As I understand it, when the film of regular oil >breaks down and allows metal-to-metal contact, the film left by the >ZDDP acts as a dry lubricant but eventually gets rubbed away and >then grows back if there is enough ZDDP in the oil so it can be >rubbed away next time. > >Whether that ever happens in a stock TR motor is a different >question. I remain unconvinced, especially since I covered several >hundred thousand miles with "low zinc" oil in a TR3 >motor. Unfortunately, that engine already had significant cam wear >when it came to me (as shown by measured lift being low), so tearing >it down wouldn't prove much of anything. > >- Randall > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 05:31:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EE9428C6 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 05:31:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from devils.ext.ti.com (devils.ext.ti.com [198.47.26.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114B240EA0 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 05:31:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from dlelxv30.itg.ti.com ([172.17.2.17]) by devils.ext.ti.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r28CUir1012063 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:30:44 -0600 Received: from DLEE70.ent.ti.com (dlee70.ent.ti.com [157.170.170.113]) by dlelxv30.itg.ti.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r28CUiQE028021 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:30:44 -0600 Received: from DLEE20.ent.ti.com ([fe80::ddd7:734f:b052:de5a]) by DLEE70.ent.ti.com ([fe80::c4c6:f618:54e7:ad11%28]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:30:44 -0600 From: "Fisher, Ed" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: oil. To zddp or not to zddp, that is the question Thread-Index: Ac4b+MC+lhQ41cQoS9WRChrW4NTGjA== Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:30:43 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [157.170.170.90] Subject: [TR] oil. To zddp or not to zddp, that is the question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to one and all for the replies to my question. I appreciate the time taken. The consensus seems to be that sticking with an oil that has, at least some ZDDP, even after the break-in period is a smart thing to do-and can't hurt. Ed Dallas, Tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 07:51:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D6F42880 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:51:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C2940EA0 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from Officedesktop (host-74-211-0-30.beyondbb.com [74.211.0.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LyEFZ-1Us9900EVx-015yaf; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0500 From: "Jeremiah@curryclan.net" To: "Randall" References: <9B.43.25887.F9D79315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:49:55 -0700 fEz7kYnL9HoA6mEev5sRQyOowmTsxLN3+mG9jBgki7hIaHJw12 WAfOkh0czx3D4lUKy1DcwpyQktaAny9IwBF3Uxnt16LTuHqzJo VPBfmuKfYpUxAuKLAWOD0Asn7WdW/Xnm6xj6KWzKiuTWm1oovM GPkSZz2yz4ZxeELVg9kv/YxMkyhQ1iWDpZUCpHCvVB5hbNOaUq rlv85gxbeLfXz+p40D+9wqDCYjdF0RjSI9HDWh78bcunXvL06p ntpIblQranoCIpGw1uTJxc/eQKGzsu4TWeIpLmpk5D/IZkECy/ JzxRcnIqahpvdIdaWoaq83e9H8l8mglKNbmlzvgXs Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net true. But my 1991 Audi 200 20v did have 200,000 on it when I sold it. The MR2 has 230,000 on it, but he previous owner ran too much boost so I replace the long block 15,000 miles ago with one that only had 30,000 miles on it. I believe the Audi always had Mobile 1 synthetic, at least from the previous owner and me, I have heard sometimes the change from dino oil to synthetic can cause issues. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:56 PM Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild > I have never had a consumption problem with mobile 1 on > turbocharged Audis or my mr2 turbo...but thy probably have > much tighter tolerances than American engines. No offence > intended by that comment, just my understanding None taken. I'm also guessing that your cars haven't covered 1/4 million miles each But I suspect it has more to do with the effects of the additives on old seals than engine tolerances. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah@curryclan.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 11:36:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5345428CE for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:36:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CB740325 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:36:25 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=zdtcWOx91VkA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=NpsVlQ6ZsHEA:10 a=pnF3-TCR_CLFrwDAm0UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50248] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 76/C4-07167-F7F2A315; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:35:43 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:37:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just curious but why the interest in a aluminum gas tank? I think my TR4A is supposed to hold 14 gallons. At this point unfortunately, I have not had the pleasure of driving the thing anywhere much less to a gas station but would aluminum be as safe as steel? I assume that the material thickness would have to be quite a bit more for aluminum vs. steel. We have a really good materials guy at work.. I think I will ask him and report back. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS (waiting on my Advance Auto-Wire harness!) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 12:23:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D54428CE for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:23:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (unknown [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9464043D for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:08:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MfWoF-1UOpBG1eFX-00OxW6; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:07:13 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Dave Connitt" , References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> <922E736AEC90433D8D888719FB38146D@DaveLaptop> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:07:15 -0500 5cD2+ALCOd1LjICFgFVtaIVEcydDDpsai+KO1I7WUENykREQVG aStrN1YCHMAji6g+rFAjLlYnKldbuocEEvA2osIyDdNHI05R0X tEk0OkM8fPAMcfV9/UuYhTqI74jgNrFI9TrjvQ0xD/kHZs9P3o Z6Trl0bnNSmYyJEmA/EhNqOKlUXnZg8CxDdJkLUU6p9oPbd/LU rHh3Ilgwxzp77Z3hj5neH2NInip7pl2P0zLtxHmrSVAsLzyPHW 0Hk1FSb86/T7EKsKxOIUIWz97hCqIVBgkmoHVJ4QalYmiFO1pe RklWOn+bwkHPyOvrsmgkvXExmqeEp90G7zVTovnLO Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Aluminum doesn't rust........ and my tank is only 11.4 gallons if you top it off............which I don't so I wanted larger capacity for the trips I take and the way I use my car...... The 6-Pack guys wanted a tank with dual outlets to prevent fuel starvation and the guys with TBI/FI wanted a fuel return line that extends into the tank. Moss/TRF sell stock aluminum tanks for $620-$700 while this tank is $425 until 3/18 and then will go to $475! The company producing my tank does nothing but custom aluminum tanks for Military, Marine, Aircraft and Racing. Very specialized... highest quality materials, machining and welders...... over 10,000 custom tanks a year. With due respect to your materials guy, they employ a full time engineer who's involved in the final design and manufacturing process for their tanks. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 1:37 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Just curious but why the interest in a aluminum gas tank? I think my TR4A is supposed to hold 14 gallons. At this point unfortunately, I have not had the pleasure of driving the thing anywhere much less to a gas station but would aluminum be as safe as steel? I assume that the material thickness would have to be quite a bit more for aluminum vs. steel. We have a really good materials guy at work.. I think I will ask him and report back. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS (waiting on my Advance Auto-Wire harness!) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 12:24:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FA5428C3 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:24:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.138.91.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D36340078 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:11:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 19:10:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 19:10:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 19:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 10263 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2013 19:10:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362769836; bh=wbwOijzG/dfcVgDClWDV/4Y95kcLX8LMXru84wppvlw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VdXm0Y1eJ2/AuaS3uUJomv0SdqHnxaynFDY0vz08629OBlVl55UqZVKVHrMVF8ABYpgSjGDeuNvKKUSqCTxCTuvXo6GfoiZGtjTPL/pWva9BMhLVeT0oYARtDOUjBIhOFBIL/wpbeFDpVSciU2IFTIB8N4fidXMNda2MSnbaicA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D7XWJJrDd5BwEOlameGNHMS2XAxcjNkdKv/SG/+aeoZ4mSkbNN0wBuIEGKaF7jLA6TyH9kT0kfya239jsAI3+oJQsVRcORe5g7/xp6GZkZvZeYbcXn3oh1Cx7YA21jEomnIUCdWksQoCzD757AUm+X4KYYP3rLvUxKOqH9lFCXY=; El.YfGjRGOjFtrBFaD.V3Ioj0q.2rNkPOHphzCNeQyFoO8QIDeH4t5JIOEZw D8Q3JFmNNllp9K2DkAEj1h2_1LZSlkR1G4mRdjUK4W.tCHRKtXxmnqeq_5Vo TZmvJAHQSGeISpo6lqo.__tyedT2YOWlt9lIFZMFKxCN2PKOkOyrQOALSmLF AOxtxO4Ior.ks_qz_LeHTn2Al7LevrX85UduQz_Ee2zGy0L8dDrYeEMu7_pH NLFR4UrmdB4ejDVUTErjwiK0TQN_Ssynl7clzETdXyfxZEMPcCUUGuQmewCp 0OAcBNtyKcWGpxVE_PeN37mz_5p9e4GZDdu4MdAXbtgXY7b3l9C7dFrPmDTL Undd6y1hGUimRpof.Rwt82X7dOzHDuU7GdSVxwwFw6GplmOokuIvNGBBZnG5 trBx.iNJKH0VToFRw8gVjufZ7GJkijcYeJa7GLr3HU2YLNJ5if6ggZaJ6Afi ckWnotgjKKDRz0hqRuG73txT1EQT1VHjzHQANyhXuvG7JNIL9xzEeeAOv Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:10:36 PST ZGF2ZQp0aGVyZSBpcyBvZnRlbiBzb21lIHdhdGVyIGluIHRoZSBnYXMgeW91IHB1bXAgYW5kIHlvdSB3aWxsIGdldCBzb21lIGZyb20gY29uZGVuc2F0aW9uIGZvcm1pbmcgaW4gdGhlIGdhcyB0YW5rIHdoZW4gbGVmdCBvdmVybmlnaHQgaW4gY29sZCB3ZWF0aGVyLgpteSBzdGVlbCB0YW5rIHJ1c3RlZCBiZWNhdXNlIG9mIHRoYXQuCmFsdW1pbnVtIHdvbnQgcnVzdC4gaXQgd2lsbCBveGlkaXplIGEgbGl0dGxlIGJ1dCB3b250IGRldmVsb3AgYSBob2xlIGFzIGZhc3QgYXMgc3RlZWwgd2lsbC4gaSBzdXNwZWMBMAEBAQE- References: <63D5A36DE5404F65B7CEF4054D8ECDD9@BobDell> <922E736AEC90433D8D888719FB38146D@DaveLaptop> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Dave Connitt , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net dave there is often some water in the gas you pump and you will get some from condensation forming in the gas tank when left overnight in cold weather. my steel tank rusted because of that. aluminum wont rust. it will oxidize a little but wont develop a hole as fast as steel will. i suspect both materials will outlive most of us old f**rts. so you building for the next generation of owner. the gage of aluminum wont be that big of a deal. unless its Chinese beer can can thick! the gas tank is not pressurized and is only subject to weight of the gas contained within. i build all kinds of things from aluminum at my place of employment. Frank TR3 NFI or desire in this TR6 tank From: Dave Connitt To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Just curious but why the interest in a aluminum gas tank? I think my TR4A is supposed to hold 14 gallons. At this point unfortunately, I have not had the pleasure of driving the thing anywhere much less to a gas station but would aluminum be as safe as steel? I assume that the material thickness would have to be quite a bit more for aluminum vs. steel. We have a really good materials guy at work.. I think I will ask him and report back. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS (waiting on my Advance Auto-Wire harness!) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 14:25:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD1342880 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:25:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF2140438 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id T6JArGH2lja5MGhQ for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:24:10 -0800 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:24:09 -0800 Thread-Topic: Morning commute Thread-Index: Ac4cQ0P8vss4nBjhTtmk5b/VSMTkxA== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Morning commute Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know I've talked about my commute before, and my apologies and sympathy for those of you in horrible weather, but this morning was fantastic! If you have Google earth, check Gaviota in California. My commute brings me from Buellton to Goleta along the coast, Highway101. We just had an inch of rain overnight and this morning it was clearing out. Those of you who are top down enthusiasts will appreciate the experience of riding after a storm. The clouds shelving out from the hills toward the ocean, the sun just coming up lighting the undersides red, the sky clear as a bell with a clear view of the offshore islands 26 miles away. Last small sliver of the moon above. Temperature 460. Signs of spring are coming to southern California - the mustard plants are yellow and everywhere, the next sign will be the blooming of the ice plants, everything is green this time of year. It was fantastic! Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 14:37:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D06428B9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:37:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404B84043A for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:33:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MV6UX-1UHb2h1LHJ-00YLmx; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:33:05 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Pete Arakelian" , References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188B8E9684E@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 16:33:08 -0500 Yp6irGeOCnVbCuRSlTrp7S5HXHcjLXIfgFJPaaCrv2M4uC1RO6 Aqo+qELQAPNh3/04/HSYksSCRu1FgArILNQG0m/fvA1RvVo79S ufnA+SjqG7Xm1D5StLf0kAskHFrQrAJKavpwN0qa+brSr2cK3m hjyIxGAIJkZ8R6bT0crWPx3KwgeBEIrxCWanfTbLcXw7dyYnhS x1GgJfW5l2D81RhKsOuDPiVgj70yK2VAkcaR/S4D/KYaKe4GD5 PBnBOtC1NrzKGGKw5GE5uWqGiMfENkvYsfQ1J8e/7LwWKAq4ci 9sFsyuUACnUChynAMfHxLsV3uzpK97IXkoC/Eg5+w Subject: Re: [TR] Morning commute Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Grrrrrrrrr..... we got 8" of white today! Though the top on the 6 is down............well actually it's off the car and in the sunroom. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Pete Arakelian Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: [TR] Morning commute I know I've talked about my commute before, and my apologies and sympathy for those of you in horrible weather, but this morning was fantastic! If you have Google earth, check Gaviota in California. My commute brings me from Buellton to Goleta along the coast, Highway101. We just had an inch of rain overnight and this morning it was clearing out. Those of you who are top down enthusiasts will appreciate the experience of riding after a storm. The clouds shelving out from the hills toward the ocean, the sun just coming up lighting the undersides red, the sky clear as a bell with a clear view of the offshore islands 26 miles away. Last small sliver of the moon above. Temperature 460. Signs of spring are coming to southern California - the mustard plants are yellow and everywhere, the next sign will be the blooming of the ice plants, everything is green this time of year. It was fantastic! Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 14:37:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B66D403E3 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:37:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D664043A for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:36:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 21:35:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.165] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 21:35:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2013 21:35:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 83629 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2013 21:35:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362778543; bh=eh8wOjIy6iwgIFsaY+cBq3G5rzhdvTW4jSxXCK/NmmU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1fZaDZ31HXSvvoFCUL7rPjKHqk9xzGjb0Kr/xNi07EJJp7LxT83IcWNeWocU/ciWXeluageq1E2t0FQGRyscKGhuOnZH/iyXPhSoKVu8xgJ8v6YjhKTkwUyw5ONjX5zSVyg0SLNLwYxhvGmJdqvlt8b3fpfgOOMyaLcXx+I0T5A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NMSCbhN18Lh08830Asha3fVhTGzOb+zlYLTjxqDr2bX0rDY5hHOCuWq15RnoxetV4uEfd8a9wTsWfDu4T5Darj44tIK8DrqW2nPgXhca1yX2kENChLl6IS4XaHAZLzysD8dRwPqvbZY0ogfg1QwlWnlfmHc2U2s3iXFL6FCnyjA=; tb3DNHbv0AA90Bm140s77J2y6KjSE_S3.OADmzeWX2eD4oakgz4AkV.kYcp_ rmc_vl9ttg99b9jmyHk884lYuebnimgwaJ_D01UFmMp8_0fBca7IWm9zlMsN rzi4hUAdjOST0XU2a_._x0neYchvEDntjteObsEsoGzflkGGxW_2JDavzyLU PPwtVWwP6RWHrR4JXijevoIqhD40h90wX7uM4jZgfu3A6TUvc7REeMBPeEnY SwFhDY5ipl7JXiM6SrPpYjTLpDIm_zuM5hLImxRMp3X9uc84akyJ0RoIjIjV l3_LsMkAHWQcttshegCb5ffV_DZaR8EDLFRyLF0UIsW7KK1GsBrepn47.I2g mMAhjhG4h3SRJtxgeLOVtjTGTMRYrezrwwx1Xx4Qlc4kUU9FcoUVxDUastDT mVRx8glFu9_9nXInX7nvH7IJ7Q.pgOlw7.IhSwexEidapqYLIzQCtI_NKOX4 3PlONGjoaW4g4xVC5IWLs Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:35:43 PST UGV0ZXIKaSB0b28gc2hhcmUgeW91ciBsb3ZlIG9mIHNvdXRoZXJuIENhbGlmb3JuaWEgYW5kIHRoZSBiZWF1dHkgb2YgaXQuCmRheWxpZ2h0IHNhdmluZyB0aW1lIGp1c3QgYSBkYXkgYXdheSwgbXkgZGFmZm9kaWxzIGFyZSB1cCBhbmQgc3ByaW5nIGlzIGhlcmUuCmkgaGF2ZSBubyB0b3AgZm9yIHRoZSBUUjMgc28gaXRzIGFsbCB0b3AgZG93biBkcml2aW5nLgp3aGF0IGEgd29uZGVyZnVsIHBsYWNlIHdlIGxpdmUuCm9uIHRoZSB3YXkgdG8gd29yayBpIHRyaWVkIHRvIGNhdGNoIHNvbWUgZm9nLiBpIG1pc3QBMAEBAQE- References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188B8E9684E@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:35:43 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Pete Arakelian , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [TR] Morning commute Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter i too share your love of southern California and the beauty of it. daylight saving time just a day away, my daffodils are up and spring is here. i have no top for the TR3 so its all top down driving. what a wonderful place we live. on the way to work i tried to catch some fog. i mist but i had stayed up all night to see where the sun set. then it dawned on me. Sorry Frank From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: [TR] Morning commute I know I've talked about my commute before, and my apologies and sympathy for those of you in horrible weather, but this morning was fantastic! If you have Google earth, check Gaviota in California. My commute brings me from Buellton to Goleta along the coast, Highway101. We just had an inch of rain overnight and this morning it was clearing out. Those of you who are top down enthusiasts will appreciate the experience of riding after a storm. The clouds shelving out from the hills toward the ocean, the sun just coming up lighting the undersides red, the sky clear as a bell with a clear view of the offshore islands 26 miles away. Last small sliver of the moon above. Temperature 460. Signs of spring are coming to southern California - the mustard plants are yellow and everywhere, the next sign will be the blooming of the ice plants, everything is green this time of year. It was fantastic! Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 14:59:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F60428CC for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:59:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com (mail-pb0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4837240448 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id uo15so1650252pbc.19 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:58:28 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B/6js4yQNriH+ZYoTIWjSTm5FKfaoe9JIQreyNmFIFA=; b=UJlSSWHO9MzNA+kaYeny6ZbETzPovWYucuVyYRmPYx7f9jmiUs8UtU43wUMBrxHSoi PwpUeLg/ZnQfuDkcLYS/G/NjnAFNPnmFBfd9tNyj4aZ+MJEaNtboUvtbeu60ZWj1KgZr gFMwZbtOdjdmxuOadv350mawMWhN3WsGXizIl2h3LXalSfWPhNCKZSVF2Vl9wfLIAjm5 vS7GpsR6UiEHhk3nDrSYKJmxFpvdH3URmNnHLNLfrR/pyK802oZHVc9Ybbh3e/OHJScO oiv9NznhftFfZKMOQbcSlRJoAGqAcQOugnJDoGOnTcVRSzlci63qMIWkJt9CEkFK5kZJ 6RoA== ph6mr6039051pbc.33.1362779908361; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-63-172.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.63.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kl4sm6892738pbc.31.2013.03.08.13.58.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:58:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:58:22 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Triumph List References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188B8E9684E@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <1362778543.70334.YahooMailNeo@web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Morning commute Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/8/13 2:35 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > Peter > i too share your love of southern California and the beauty of it. > daylight saving time just a day away, my daffodils are up and spring is here. > Humm ... The rain you had in Southern California is now about 6 inches of snow here in Flagstaff and getting deeper. The pine trees are covered in snow looking picture postcard scenic. We are expecting anywhere from 12 to 16 inches by the time the storm passes. Just before the storm I could see tulip spears just starting to emerge from the sunniest part of the yard. It had warmed up to the low fifties and I took my TR3 out for a drive. Oh well. When you are in the high country snow happens during the winter. Daylight savings time. That's when Arizona moves from the rocky mountain time zone into the Pacific time zone and the rest of you change your clocks. I prefer the way Arizona and Hawaii deals with time. None of this funny jumping forward and back. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 18:05:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962BE428D9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:05:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE8A428C3 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:04:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C3EA109C for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:06:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:06:05 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 seat pans? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=142 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 11:18:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CDB4051F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:18:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AF34042F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:14:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9WE31l00453lu5001WE3S3; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:14:04 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:14:06 -0600 Subject: [TR] tr3 heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net the heater in a 57 tr3 smallmouth b Ibm about to renovate one that I picked up. the top is just a plate b thatbs gloss black? the bottom b with the little doors b its all crinkle black? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 11:34:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4264054C for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:34:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E28440419 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2013 18:32:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2013 18:32:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2013 18:32:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362853976; bh=JpWrOtWr8+HIZDpyL4I2BiiYwnxNY1Y3kGvwI6Qhi78=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=dmhWF+aNag9wqBnhNobtRGOhYxawWRsvgvPYrw6SV41YK08zNPpekhQlh6J9lA5CygrF8ZAaUR4d3njb8Z/zwHWDn5/Jl7wDQclkWTOj6Cldks3QAvZRfg/XEHigxjJzyGlneWVXBcpgOs5i9CpNf8YAnPMsmLJLB6AlHaTBmuo= DKdsGOJAuYJJjdG7_K39Ui41FPZHHzfA3kqeL4X35U.Yt9KztDVZ7.7ksCvM .9vbnyzSoPkeoTu3gQyEts_MSj_5xe6UoYByqTKVTastIr.uhhZ8_xMFRmzS d2f_4MoNrW_qLAxoBs0q.k22WJ8KNUmPr7InC_H4ThRl5Un6xk5x1J2dOpQu 5.iJYEm6KcnGo45ZTRGsV.peol18L46ew3Twm7NdDkgjZREGSTTy2Rp66mFc ftViRA7QcK_8vK7YGeH3CYSuU1FRUt7A4Uzu5wekAbaek3vL2.Qu1u2PgWNu y8H0tr_AcJ3KnZK757UbLamqdfy_4cr8JZDGlV7ApESz2PhO3YCKNm8da.Nj gLKQFaU5qMWbDypIRrKE25RTRQIJclqGC0xkn7pOJxmHXm_pWvBNLNqZymgH oZcT7uy40B1IZTnA90iAWCl.eSjBwh0BJPUahkRSIDEVQSQXGZ1Rg7Hb2r5F 9Et4qRsTwvB6ImtLfslhATOFeQb8Q3fNHZOXdZdRG7tg3q5rC3qsNs9REdTq rfCm8MXBwizCmsoY0wdA7ROcxNMQ- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Mar 2013 10:32:56 -0800 PST From: To: "'Dave'" , References: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:33:02 -0600 thread-index: Ac4c8nYj0xQQanOpRyGS+myroDImmwAAb3Ug Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You are correct, per the TRA guide: 1. Motor, blades, mountings and top plate are gloss black 2. Core is semi-gloss 3. Bottom plate is wrinkle black with white knobs. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 12:14 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tr3 heater the heater in a 57 tr3 smallmouth b Ibm about to renovate one that I picked up. the top is just a plate b thatbs gloss black? the bottom b with the little doors b its all crinkle black? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 13:19:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EF540545 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1F54290E for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 06:14:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 874001C00009D; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 50A86E000082; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:13:59 -0500 (EST) References: <408095090.322594.1362697813575.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: terryrs@comcast.net, eoot@citlink.net Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 09 Mar 2013 08:13:59 -0500 From: Dave Massey Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:13:59 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362834839; bh=ZRW32JyWNRKAR7DpsurWdSI25EeBO1bdv+b8uJ81AwU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VKY0qAswHdxdWufwSNE/x2qmoB9Qjxb0sEtZlcFGdCFev7NN9b5gYKMGhzRMhCZDM C5NJ5OebaMR2GNh8VSJpqoagvXYiPYKYDVg3P/usk9eqAh8vZ+y7MSms6VgGVA+4+E BxDq9w14QTuogPebgn1KX4YjrV/AjlimVVeQbhxc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b513b35975f73 Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have you checked the surface of the crankshaft where the seal rides? Odds are it has been worn by the old seal. You can't expect the new seal to seal up against a rough surface. And, it seems, the folks who turn crankshafts often neglect to dress that surface. I replaced the seals in my TR6 diff but the pinion seal continued to leak anyway. After a couple of years (and a failed U-joint) I dropped the diff and took the opportunity to install a Speedi-sleeve on the pinion flange. This provided a fresh, smooth surface for the seal. Lo and behold the leak stopped! The moral of the story is there are two parts to the sealing issue, the seal and the surface the seal contacts. Both are important. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: terryrs To: Ed Oot Cc: Triumphs Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild >When, if ever. Is a rear main >oil leak significant enough to warrant a rebuild. I've rebuilt mine twice because I had to. Each time, I've not managed to control the oil from leaking, despite going to the new real oil seals. Then again, I insist on using Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic, and I expect Mobil builds into the DNA of that oil the intrinsic nature to seek my garage floor. Not sure what you're running, but syn may exacerbate the problem.... Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 17:08:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4029428BE for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 17:08:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503674282F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 17:07:51 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=wll8eQuWcMnUJWLv-I4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 06/C7-06772-7AECB315; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 00:07:03 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:07:16 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4dA1lDMXwO8momSpSc+xJKmEe+zQAHo0hw Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The moral of the story is there are two parts to the sealing > issue, the seal > and the surface the seal contacts. Both are important. Except of course for the original TR2-4A rear main seal; which was a non-contact design. Lots of folks dislike it, but at the time the engine was developed, it was actually an improvement over the "conventional" rear main seal (which was basically cotton rope back then). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 06:17:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DB442953 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A9342854 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EE5901C000053; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6B6DFE000087; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:15:54 -0400 (EDT) References: <06.C7.06772.7AECB315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d223.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:15:53 -0400 From: Dave Massey Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:15:54 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362917754; bh=MCW89SsvR1iPWVF2zCdx1dGNKl49PZJ1OmMQkPw8zjw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xOyFu4X9XROUHyNPNhhtthBw+kq963u+86ky5C5EUjqfrynAamH1dSVU0uW3N5NGd H8eTuUKajmuerCsvpl61jDqPCmjfbQ7ANCBwWmjCr3hliUOHfNTyzi5+1sV3fzWyA4 lBqlVVqtzDPFOj+4XTbRb0wQdlT4LiCWcLg5+I3s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b513c797a31f2 Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, yes. We tend to forget the history of engine development. In the early days there was the total loss oiling systems. Then the concept of reusing the oil was introduced. This led to oil filtering (bypass filtering). Then full flow filtering. Oil sealing improved in incremental steps in the same manner. As did our expectations. The change to leaving drops instead of puddles was considered a great improvement. Now we complain about a light oil film on the exterior of the engine. But my comments were relevant to lip seals as found in TR6 and other SC derived engines. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Randall > The moral of the story is there are two parts to the sealing > issue, the seal > and the surface the seal contacts. Both are important. Except of course for the original TR2-4A rear main seal; which was a non-contact design. Lots of folks dislike it, but at the time the engine was developed, it was actually an improvement over the "conventional" rear main seal (which was basically cotton rope back then). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 15:10:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30D542909 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A04425BA for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.53.139.143] ([unknown] [198.228.224.206]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJG00125QS18190@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:09:39 -0500 (CDT) References: Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:19:10 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] 72 TR6 Overdrive Mounting Bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The rearward most mounting bracket for 72 TR6 gearbox with overdrive: there is a rectangular, flexing bracket with studs that attaches to the frame crossmember. The transmission bolts to this bracket with one heavy bolt and nut, and another identical bolt and a captured nut in a vaguely L shaped bracket. Which side of the overdrive does this L bracket/nut go on, and what is its purpose and orientation? Guessing the right side but not sure, and it's not clear from the manual or my photos. Thanks ... Sent by my butler On Mar 10, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 15:11:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE3C42911 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C4C425BA for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 930A83800005F for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-doc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.193]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E2ECDE000094 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:10:58 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362949859; bh=EqhpLysrEzMWKaemLguvBwxAvjuDAk98TOXnAMbkqTc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RHUS9jIDlZEQT1Ly/ayw2HNUzqbO4326AhhYbgCx/yZXBRszAFBWwnKswvETX/sBm WwN8rbDWh1z21r4JqsXshlSNacnbhQgQNP151xqEqrS2OlxcDp4WTVhOt78LPDdoh4 kQ7g7DOLjA2rY6fmbpfJxo75B35jvIXU1hTS/6wc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8513cf6e22f6c Subject: [TR] Tax Stamp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, Does anyone know where I can get a replica Tax Stamp for the windscreen of my TR4? I had one on my TR6 but I can't recall for certain where I got it; it was a very nicely done replica. The top is officially down for the summer so I'm 99% sure that we'll get a major snowstorm next week but at least I have a couple of near 60 degree days to be out and about:) Cheers, Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 15:27:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA05B42856 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54972425BA for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [71.178.195.81]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJG00EWKRJH9FA0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:26:06 -0500 (CDT) References: Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:26:04 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR6 Gearbox/OD Mounting Bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure this made it out the first time, so let me try again. The rearward most mounting bracket for 72 TR6 gearbox with overdrive: there is a rectangular, flexing bracket with studs that attaches to the frame crossmember. The transmission bolts to this bracket with one heavy bolt and nut, and another identical bolt and a captured nut in a vaguely L shaped bracket. Which side of the overdrive does this L bracket/nut go on, and what is its purpose and orientation? Guessing the right side but not sure, and it's not clear from the manual or my photos. Thanks ... Martin Secrest 72 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 16:23:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EBE4284F for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F327428BE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:23:05 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=6rq36syvnTYcAL7y5bkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6E/39-06772-5970D315; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:22:13 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:22:13 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4diQTi3dW7v//4QfuoqECeszNArAAU2JxA Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Ah, yes. We tend to forget the history of engine > development. In the early days there was the total loss > oiling systems. Then the concept of reusing the oil was > introduced. This led to oil filtering (bypass filtering). You left out the amusing part : Some car makers claimed that filtering the oil was unnecessary! My first car (a 62 Chevy) had the optional, bypass oil filter canister mounted on a bracket, with external lines to an oil gallery and the side of the crankcase. Oddly enough, Triumph had already been using full-flow filters for 6 or 7 years (and my Chevy also had the rope rear main seal), showing again that they were actually innovative cars for their time. Shame they couldn't keep it up. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 16:53:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F68D4290B for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246634284F for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E781F3800009F for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.133]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8A484E000085 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:52:18 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:52:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:52:18 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362955938; bh=2TAOe84d9IIHGp+wCJMAzsLrUMrFDjz9K74vrHYChTM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k1+NKk7LL8LPDBGsVMQXQM04KGAim9ZGcf3G7/RQGHGPiGbP2ORThA6ikKEYeoyLf 3CsxhcIbAFz0KxhkDEDdyBO7m7S4MxQ8FLCwP8tDBsomGg+kCgvL6n5psuT76AqNnL R8njnIJLL9R/Ww9cbyjJ/w0u8OlbeYvbolexEjVg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c513d0ea228e1 Subject: Re: [TR] CRANKSHAFT REAR OIL SEAL....COMBINATION SCROLL AND VITON SEAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Noting recent discussion on this subject: In August of 2013, the VTR magazine had an extensive article on the installation of the Chris Marx design for this seal. A discussion on this seal also appeared in Kas Kastner's latest book, KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS. Kas' book also contains an entire chapter on avoiding oil leaks in the 'wet sleeve' engines. Worth the price of the book, itself. There are presently two sources in North America for the "MADMARX" brand SEAL KIT. If anyone is interested, I can provide this information off list. It is now a frequently used replacement seal and does not require any machining of the crankshaft. Regards, Joe Alexander 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 16:55:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22E642909 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D740A42855 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:55:13 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=Vl8IPFssXkUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=wTneu27BuhgA:10 a=Ncn_RocuAAAA:8 a=HaLtB2mgwPa6uS76nUgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=JuK3GTqXF2oA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A2/5B-04559-C1F0D315; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:54:21 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'M. Secrest'" Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:54:21 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4d1fB4QbbDkCeNRJa6uKBqbgVhdAACWJCw Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Gearbox/OD Mounting Bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The rearward most mounting bracket for 72 TR6 gearbox with > overdrive: there is a rectangular, flexing bracket with studs > that attaches to the frame crossmember. The transmission > bolts to this bracket with one heavy bolt and nut, and > another identical bolt and a captured nut in a vaguely L > shaped bracket. The one with the captive nut goes on the RH side, under the flange of your "rectangular, flexing bracket" which I believe most people call a rear motor mount. It supports the exhaust system (each pipe should have a flange that bolts to the bracket). Check out section 12.45.08 of your workshop manual, and the diagram at http://trf.zeni.net/TR6bluebook/72.php Although not original, I like to put flat washers between the bolt heads and the aluminum casting. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 17:01:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDF842872 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D264284C for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:00:46 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=bCDN266-6gAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=CCHbc6zGIVEA:10 a=vSbhNGXMarL7kUnX0OgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 14/E2-11869-A601D315; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:59:54 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:59:54 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac4d4fxq8l1UxloJSgqNsNMN820j/gAAGrNA Subject: Re: [TR] CRANKSHAFT REAR OIL SEAL....COMBINATION SCROLL AND VITON SEAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > There are presently two sources in North America for the > "MADMARX" brand SEAL KIT. If anyone is interested, I can > provide this information off list. It is now a frequently > used replacement seal and does not require any machining of > the crankshaft. It is also a "belt and suspenders" design, that keeps the original scroll seal functional while adding another lip seal on the outboard side of it. I will definitely be installing one, next time I have the crankshaft out. Thanks, Joe, for bringing this design to the US! -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 17:35:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4767A42910 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E2A4284F for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ECFA13DF for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:36:05 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: Triumphs References: <759EDA9681744536B9FD3FB7E34CD589@oscar> Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Healeys] off topic car for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wouldn't mind having a GT6 again someday. I'd have to lose a few pounds to make it easier to get in and out, though. mjb. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Healeys] off topic car for sale Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:40:09 -0600 From: David Porter To: 1973 Triumph GT6 Needs a fair amount of work. Been sitting with the engine out for 8 years for a clutch replacement. Body is straight and looks undamaged, except the roof has been scratched down to bare metal and will require painting. The owner needs ~$1000.00 to take it home. Engine turns freely and "was running". Non O/D. No pictures available. I can put you in touch if interested. NFI. Would make a nice race car?? Dave frogeye@porterscustom.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 21:49:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4599942910 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832BB4285D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:42:10 -0600 (MDT) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=nF_BwrsFH7iA8RRthFoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:57626] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B2/DC-02677-6525D315; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:41:10 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" Cc: References: <6E.39.06772.5970D315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:41:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "showing again that they were actually innovative cars for their time. Shame they couldn't keep it up. -- Randall" The Brits were on top of the world in the early 50s, offering advanced cars with advanced specification and performance, the XK120, TR2, and AH100 being prime examples. One contemporary road test (may have been Hot Rod or Road and Track) said the TR2 had better acceleration than any stock American car. This quickly changed as the new generation of v-8s were being developed and fit to American cars. The TR soldiered on with around 100 hp and weight a little over two tons in its various iterations through the introduction of the TR5 for the 1968 model year, which alas wasn't offered in the States due to well, I guess we don't need to start that topic again, but about this time the Germans, Italians and later the Japanese were using technology and innovation (aluminum heads and blocks, overhead cams, fuel injection) to keep cars performing and even increasing performance even with the tighter standards that strangled the British cars coming over here, killing off the AH and strangling the Triumphs and especially the MGs. Story most of us have heard before. But at one time you are very right Randall, the brits were really leaders in technology and innovation, culminating in my opinion with the E-type and the Mini in the late fifties to very early sixties, two very advanced cars for their day by any standards, and still standard production cars available at very competitive prices with comparable or many times more pedestrian offerings from other countries. Kind of a long rambling post, I kind of like studying and analyzing this stuff. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 22:00:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AB64293C for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73B14285D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.102] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 4bf600148477d3b0; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:55:18 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:55:33 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Greg Lemon References: <6E.39.06772.5970D315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/10/2013 9:41 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > This quickly changed as the new generation of v-8s were being > developed and fit to American cars. The TR soldiered on with around > 100 hp and weight a little over two tons in its various iterations Two tons? I didn't know the TR came stock with 1800 lbs of concrete blocks in the trunk.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 22:00:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93AC42921 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200AA4293A for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:00:39 -0600 (MDT) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=NTgSIB6fAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CXRQX9Wa2obQipW_lxUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lqA02NAGceIA:10 a=R4kq0X8xpuI-waHh:21 a=u0LzNc3DIxG6pFeq:21 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:57654] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EE/FF-20480-1B65D315; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:59:45 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Michael Porter" References: <6E.39.06772.5970D315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <513D55B5.6080705@dfn.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:59:47 -0500 Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You are of course correct, meant one ton, must have been thinking of TWO thousand pounds, Greg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Porter" Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:55 PM To: "Greg Lemon" Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild > On 3/10/2013 9:41 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: >> This quickly changed as the new generation of v-8s were being developed >> and fit to American cars. The TR soldiered on with around 100 hp and >> weight a little over two tons in its various iterations > > Two tons? I didn't know the TR came stock with 1800 lbs of concrete blocks > in the trunk.... > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 05:15:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D629642922 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB2340510 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8DD321C00025F for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 689EBE00008A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:14:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:14:28 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363000469; bh=VVFq9+QXFGZbVwaj3IWOLANdh4Q39Os0qZiEMbgysGQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bp7GJ/o4OXYY0m/P8k3w8sDn9uO1OJIugda55h7MpYVarrYukUzYpHFmPjynKlnXs NFosc5Fwb3BENYNRTcUKmdsAVzgy4OYmIKz6dSf3QO1dBMoPBaalND3095RDUFXDp9 yY+cnm5P3oQfhjUV+ke4ILFU3cl3IljZg1UEhzo0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c513dbc955ee4 Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How long did Volkswagen go without a filter? The old beetles had only a screen (similar to that in the Laycock overdrives). Dave In a message dated 3/10/2013 5:22:35 PM Central Daylight Time, TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: > You left out the amusing part : Some car makers claimed that filtering > the > oil was unnecessary! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 07:40:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCE742979 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2144296B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ABY41l0051u4NiLA1DeYpw; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:38:32 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ADeY1l00B2xZMJ48hDeYsn; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:38:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:38:32 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Dave1massey@cs.com s=q20121106; t=1363009112; bh=KbE9FX0NX50ioCzfG6rH12KRhujNx211iUf2qJ0feqI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=n9XJnSCwR+psV4qO/v3rAv610DLeNQaFNjvQXS+ILMcILTEBMEwbaJE0rbnX5sdB6 Um/MVqN2pSGdKZG3T5h24rHbP5MnGwipjHgGScTmkwv0+OHxqPhoQMkmCzDjN4O92w kK6cKwlQ/FaqspFD1KMSW7px3tw29N5xwBCm00W/gMU6hbrmiaNL1gSAGHP/d3p9yj a1mnOGoIEJAs798rjOkxYnNbnaQCjdZkbRWR+hlZlCxXW9Zth6qc1NHDQpA0E4J+Ra AxAqClEshA7UGYRs4Njt0Agn4jiOzADFex2pqPJOAvCrm5PuHLI2jFqvBnKdAUZvRg nSWe3CInaMAFg== Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave1massey@cs.com > How long did Volkswagen go without a filter? The old beetles had only > a > screen (similar to that in the Laycock overdrives). Around 1970, I knew a raceworker from Minneapolis. Phil Dean. Phil had a beetle. I was over there while he changed the oil. Cleaned the screen with gasoline. Isn't that dangerous? "I don't smoke. I don't know anybody know smokes. I make it a point not to know anybody who smokes." Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 07:51:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA67742993 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135474296C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130311134904.CXQG10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:49:04 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ADp41l0093enFnk05Dp4qL; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:49:04 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4PGKiLtTCPoA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=VztyC4IX76ZQifr78BkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=9QD3RyLBJTiqqwM8:21 a=sKb3JoPlgpfMbuy3:21 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Randall'" References: <8CFEBA02547A6AC-19EC-2FAA3@webmail-d223.sysops.aol.com> <6E.39.06772.5970D315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:49:03 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIFuz1k7SHFQQw6CcMlkMUYxNsQ9pgxPdSg Content-Language: en-us Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder if some industries were ahead of others when it came to engineering and providing long-term value and reliability. When the John Deere model A and B row crop tractors were introduced in 1934 and '35 respectively, both were equipped with pressure lube systems with an easily adjustable relief valve and a full-flow filter. The early filters were of a cleanable, metal edge design made by Purolator. Later in the decade, paper elements were the standard issue and an update kit allowed you to convert an older machine to the newer style paper elements. That update kit is still available from Deere, but for $220. The paper element, AR26350, lists for about $6.50 and was used on tractors up through the very early seventies. Nearly 40 years without a change of part numbers - that made it easy on the farm that stocked filters for their tractors! Positive crankcase ventilation was also part of those 1930's machines. A tube carried crankcase blow-by to the air cleaner inlet Later, in 1947, a roller pump driven by the fan shaft was added to increase the efficiency of the PCV system. It's always fascinating looking at old machine design. If any of you have a "Popular Mechanics" or similar magazine from the 30's, 40's or even 50's, take a look at the number of ads for replacement piston rings, bearings and valves. You will see references such as "at your next regular valve grind" or "at the next bearing roll-in." What a difference from today. Thanks for the chance to reminisce. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:22 PM Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild > Ah, yes. We tend to forget the history of engine development. In the > early days there was the total loss oiling systems. Then the concept > of reusing the oil was introduced. This led to oil filtering (bypass > filtering). You left out the amusing part : Some car makers claimed that filtering the oil was unnecessary! My first car (a 62 Chevy) had the optional, bypass oil filter canister mounted on a bracket, with external lines to an oil gallery and the side of the crankcase. Oddly enough, Triumph had already been using full-flow filters for 6 or 7 years (and my Chevy also had the rope rear main seal), showing again that they were actually innovative cars for their time. Shame they couldn't keep it up. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 07:56:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CED42979 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11968400AD for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7D6F01C000063 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-doc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.193]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C1EE2E000089 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363010122; bh=4v1sHC0PTFae7yuv+cr0cZL3SbxuoO5blVTA8uFfAhs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TLlbwvXUGGNIgghNEDJMQeuMbksM9ntJGJJBgeiXruKCRzJM+qJkYuSyajVSlEVRt fYQhPMQpOVyE5atiJ1VpXwXQatPf3+7tVH7Yaey9g3CtklRwJdjpJZRSX/M/NFjSCP KSZyxibz2ICc3L/ADlteqXclbVeepYXCtaxYZqcQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949513de2491c39 Subject: [TR] Tax Discs (formerly Tax Stamp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Thanks to all who replied to my search for a tax disc. I originally called it a tax stamp which got no hits on google so I should have suspected that I was calling it incorrectly! Anyway....FYI - here's the website I selected to order my tax disc: _www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk_ (http://www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk) The company's name is Earlswood Vintage & Classic Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 08:23:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C1B4298B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com [67.231.153.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B973042838 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0002344 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r2BEL73V030931; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:06 -0400 Received: from dm0205.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx0b-00121c01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 1b18gdt5sn-1; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:04 -0400 Received: by dm0205.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb94dd) id dm0205.510c2981.3b1789b; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:21:58 -0700 From: Robert Jones Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:21:58 -0500 References: To: Chip19474@aol.com engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-11_01:2013-03-08,2013-03-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1303110095 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tax Discs (formerly Tax Stamp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chip: I got mine from Greg Powell. Nicely done, multiple copies, and great price. greg@poplargreg.com Bob On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > List, > > Thanks to all who replied to my search for a tax disc. I originally > called it a tax stamp which got no hits on google so I should have suspected > that I was calling it incorrectly! > > Anyway....FYI - here's the website I selected to order my tax disc: > _www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk_ (http://www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk) > > The company's name is Earlswood Vintage & Classic > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1962 TR4 CT2052L > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjones@wfeca.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 08:45:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE074297B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B514296C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c10so4894447ieb.3 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Yj8SqsN6WdiAyn0B9kbxMtZnY9lJubxn8OUkfjl2oS8=; b=cLNBxNeiwC5jydpmGJnlQMdfQ69zzilYGvHi0yTrjp+8WE8fvglQLusj2+T9Ruag/2 jOoAtvNUy6X95icLxkLS6rnMiomDoTu2Z7l7sAowtQEEP4bl1oxfkyhI1STuQ2DVXNpY js0mBNKxZ2FetssGK7v5vdH1oPGf2EQrDxWKO0E8/cy2hdgoX99cE81J3ph5ENVXAqPi vk+IaHoSBe93uX8g7ts77NWG5yhPxIB+OP03U9R7aYhWqfw9q55nPAv2JRsnZjtsHL/a 91ZIuXPpcHiZH0HylrkmFLYQKjRG2hprzvMBVwrHzqmjpNXkopGFuweXlJBrigzbhaqf v5jA== dx7mr7704996igc.12.1363013051918; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.32.231 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:44:11 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Rear oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have rebuilt 3 Ferguson tractors, 1950-1952 models, which were manufactured by the Standard Motor Company. I believe this motor was an adaptation of the engine from the Standard Vanguard but my memory could be off on that. Anyway, the crank is the same as on the TR2/3, except - it has the more "modern" contact-type, rear oil seal. I wonder why, when they further adapted it for the TR, they went to a scroll? They built a lot more of those tractors than they ever did the 4 cylinder TRs (about 570,000) so it's not like they didn't have experience. The tractor does top out at about 1,800 rpm; maybe that's a factor. The tractor factor? Jim ========= From: "Randall" Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild > The moral of the story is there are two parts to the sealing > issue, the seal > and the surface the seal contacts. Both are important. Except of course for the original TR2-4A rear main seal; which was a non-contact design. Lots of folks dislike it, but at the time the engine was developed, it was actually an improvement over the "conventional" rear main seal (which was basically cotton rope back then). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 08:57:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D0F4298A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D2E4296C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so3829019pbc.2 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l/hyHUZcznxQO7clTfTJMJmDuhUumnmXKTK5RodU5e0=; b=vArYtgKaYZlEBPXDr2zjOFSBubIc6ozx/+BxI3NTvjnf0JoPkIFKqvXEutsl1LoZdS MJI0pKFeTSN0xuQuk7xqSX07pmBOcR05H/lfUTSUD9EqFl/SmTAcckMMrGjadCOsryH2 cvujfrxLUh3MmTdTf2WlMx9rwSSpC9uGq61bwhEL6SFoTYL+I3nLt7TwwF/FTbYCBqPf hWaQSfUhnihPUArh6myxxa3eRouCZco92nw3RtXgxEmeBlTP9UvAeiQp2qZJbpL6LWga MG5m+fyDVyB30feAGX1YTAfGeHz6mOKR+Qewg4BMYzKwhCK0dCemiWNuQTt2rwq+0cM7 R4sw== Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-63-172.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.63.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hs8sm20695716pbc.27.2013.03.11.07.55.59 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:55:56 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8CFEBA02547A6AC-19EC-2FAA3@webmail-d223.sysops.aol.com> <6E.39.06772.5970D315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <001201ce1e5f$30f1ea50$92d5bef0$@charter.net> Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/11/13 6:49 AM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote: > I wonder if some industries were ahead of others when it came to engineering > and providing long-term value and reliability. You folks are missing a critical parameter. British sports cars were the most fun to drive at and under the speed limit and are still amongst the best in that category. One can have loads of fun in a stock bugeye Sprite or Spit and not exceed the speed limit. Get into a Carrara with its big tyres and advance computer aided suspension and you need to top 100 MPH before you begin to approach the fun you can have in a TR at less than half that speed. The tyres may be skinny, power outclassed by new low end econo boxes and the suspension may be archaic but British sports cars are driver's cars. Cars that can give you a taste of classic European Millie Migila, The Monte Carlo rally and racing the streets of the 17 mile drive in Carmel. They can also provide a taste of classic motoring with a wool car blanket and a wicker lunch basket tied to the luggage rack over the boot. These cars are not obsolete. No, they are for the few people who have not forgotten how to have fun driving at under 100 MPH and who want to engage in motoring and the world they are traveling through. There is no texting while driving a classic British sports car. You are driving and paying attention to everything around you. Engaging in life. No, not obsolete at all TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 09:39:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ED240E22 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F5440527 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.53] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 15:37:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363016228; bh=+Ut/+1+NqJsMmS2jJQBB8BFdGDbHOrkD8FUbb8eN5Eg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=2Ug+7sXJDXIKosmAjzOMD+eaFXNLzANMrGEh6aAVtywMfi9wVKzXXLelSdNSAflElhQD/KUmHecfS+/jETo50GMZNTHp4+kJAVVvv/3SPars/xCumehzQEyUItXD83APCL0y2iRU85Gg28LG73jhGDDQ4wYICblb4e86eWWCbDE= BuWxBHu7RnmQb22yhraRjHSfpQLVmAJjyDZm0ekPPSwfCfPOyz4iT2m3EmEB hc4cgd8aj1L0rzaMehai85Jmfp7vWYQuO6LzGFNE6Wr5xBFfA_ouvHjrMxFg trtdSiBggFDfLHyjLiPpbypIoZSnJFpgCAPcPhEV1ZlftxJwBYl.zP9YNPeo hLDnyUWeAIOJ4tw0ZWq.VdQeUacbBNlqR8cmyfLwUl6_6ihXMXfUbp0i01AZ qzOURpZckGfLmRC.p62BOfbkdamHvTwzLAuDk_ahfpKbWT7zfLHdC.0WqZD5 iqI4IXADwMs8NS0heMbcE_KvXuJwgRdqR1ip3R14x_6iCcGkysJHM6BqLU9i 5BKHN77xiVBbfX1lv4AV7JswpC1ENJ.fuoeFGKFBQ8NG43oh9mRwyw6z38Wa Gfz65HHu_nRZW5WLcUd4rYePyk9jAtOqKm8KnJWDaIuQa9At.rfGETDXrJW_ muFmabyKlbKdA5bdFng-- Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2013 08:37:08 -0700 PDT From: To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <8CFEBA02547A6AC-19EC-2FAA3@webmail-d223.sysops.aol.com><6E.39.06772.5970D315@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com><001201ce1e5f$30f1ea50$92d5bef0$@charter.net> <513DF07C.5030709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:37:02 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4eaKX0ho8nYuoVRfG24wSn9Qt4jwAAx74A Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Amen! -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:56 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild On 3/11/13 6:49 AM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote: > I wonder if some industries were ahead of others when it came to > engineering and providing long-term value and reliability. You folks are missing a critical parameter. British sports cars were the most fun to drive at and under the speed limit and are still amongst the best in that category. One can have loads of fun in a stock bugeye Sprite or Spit and not exceed the speed limit. Get into a Carrara with its big tyres and advance computer aided suspension and you need to top 100 MPH before you begin to approach the fun you can have in a TR at less than half that speed. The tyres may be skinny, power outclassed by new low end econo boxes and the suspension may be archaic but British sports cars are driver's cars. Cars that can give you a taste of classic European Millie Migila, The Monte Carlo rally and racing the streets of the 17 mile drive in Carmel. They can also provide a taste of classic motoring with a wool car blanket and a wicker lunch basket tied to the luggage rack over the boot. These cars are not obsolete. No, they are for the few people who have not forgotten how to have fun driving at under 100 MPH and who want to engage in motoring and the world they are traveling through. There is no texting while driving a classic British sports car. You are driving and paying attention to everything around you. Engaging in life. No, not obsolete at all TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 09:54:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99424052C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB7C40527 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.207] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 87228 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2013 15:52:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363017149; bh=1kB+6DboH/KbOGQPe38Y8hH+ihnhs/cyGjAC9ImsDXg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S1p1M9HTCxPYOFpXLegSep13VyZPJ0XwpIUL49oIJEnLZCjjOaLsNFYBof7L/h5L6jE9fZuAzm12rmpwvMzHKpHD6ogoPgY4+RYcwDp4s041Zx/OFYEb0a56ubnk7kWl9Hok6nkZY2MdPEKV8O6Bvogb+j/+eDEo8foZ4jnI9Io= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=en0ZuCuoN3S5fVtDdJL5lfMQ9UHlgqRu3pCxGwIaZTu8qdsWtQ5wkWXSCEwqn2OWO/v7Zx2AkkxaxjMJSgfv2dyOHDeUm0Ll3lWQLg8cYoX4bLCm+INWGNZsOxBl6TcUMbcmz237C4hxtokLUdzEZS5EBOrR7Vp0+CmrkncCCJM=; 5fuuKVD75.WRSUf_0FNboTExUk3eAg0ZB5dJ4gQ2Y.6AjJxSVjXpI6DcEYFJ OG89qlHhBF690lXNwI1yhe0NNGL8Lvn284J5wMrEunBXLLSIg6F0OKEL2eQm Bsc6qJkPLoogOhrQK_yg_F8f36jVfDlMUYcLhypiu59r_GJQfLnNg6iOJ0ZD mirLSSWr8Otnr03DTBoRG3oXzlrTBZmdm3LDZEcEf4Tyr3F3GpF1xJSqVAM1 ZFw1Wti74OxJAEyhA6PNfCt4le03EX.zrYGWdyTPS0irx9Ta6phEY0vhW..q u_MhGe2G2THH8cQlkW7ykx_3sX4HX7j0iv01_RajEOwhZ.TfxxyvYdU8umAm u9.NVwCM3bTyiu9gnulYS8l45JKaA.l86c0SAImAJhIE07gTfag6bFql7wf_ qkesb401J0RUjdfk_m4n09Xi4cwTstknX1c68PA66r4G9AXTwpc4- Received: from [72.45.201.74] by web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:52:29 PDT SGkgbGlzdCEKSnVzdCBjYXRjaGluZyB1cCBvbiBteSBiYWNrbG9nIHJlYWRpbmdzICYgaGF2ZSBhIHF1ZXN0aW9uIHRvIGFzayB0aGUgVFI0ICYgVFI0QSBvd25lcnMgYWJvdXQgdGhpcyBzdGF0ZW1lbnQgdGhhdCBFZCBtYWRlLgpJIG93biBhICc2NyBUUjRBICYgaXQgZG9lcyBOT1QgaGF2ZSBhbnkgb3BlbmluZyBpbiB0aGUgdXBwZXIgcmlnaHQgaGFuZCBjb3VybmVyIG9yIEFOWSBXSEVSRSwgb3RoZXIgdGhhbiB0byBwbGFjZSB0aGUgcnViYmVyIGNvdXBsaW5nIG9udG8gdGhlIGZpbGxlciBjYXAuIEluIGYBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi list! Just catching up on my backlog readings & have a question to ask the TR4 & TR4A owners about this statement that Ed made. I own a '67 TR4A & it does NOT have any opening in the upper right hand courner or ANY WHERE, other than to place the rubber coupling onto the filler cap. In fact, my spare tank that I pulled out of a TR4 (I think or may have been a TR4A) dosen't have any other, too. Did TRIUMPH do this to some tanks & not others? ---------- Ed wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Q Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons I can tell you that a stock TR6 tank fits into a TR4 with no problems. The only difference I could see between the two was that the TR4 tank has a banjo type vent outlet on the top right corner. The TR6 has nothing there if if remember correctly. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ------------ -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 10:41:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA55240E40 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB944052C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 16:39:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.165] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 16:39:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 16:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 12057 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2013 16:39:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363019950; bh=pgEXDEWWV/RQkYNx4yRpdw5o6tVGPXelFXski0PenpQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=atrNkL7tDwHapOqfx3erYH8lP9mvlpjmWVQkrFsE41yvZ+JAwqO6h/j7Qo7Jvm/5vN7dbmyvOwt6sYxQHgx8UdOfeAGUKuqC7lBnAQd7DE3oXAYHMOt/NMaMpzmWn5CjJJ9IXubsItNrz2ze8nDgKDvJMWLIPwF/0sVOrUQFadk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2oczdEWEDDRIzfs28bm66O1bLnvnk0zzG1LIxQqturRppaQH0zic2nC4fdltAAe20S3nJBFDNz8BWNtJGKrG/2bXKvjA9prui5lIwmDt8H9qajRLxFlkgf4jQ9ghxNmjNGsZiKVyHXE8UmPpRXhj/gknGxN9qqcqoMq1VwrWUdw=; wBPtUJXqVpmTFtWgDFgXk121_p9c71QviqsGtzoraNPoWPdu9xVj7iGaJVo1 4sdUgUuysqadXulki66gynG0pfqf6J4Ymo9kFUjClg5O4ydftIz6514R1aoJ R5cgSI1A0cvItFj928N9tyuYUBbR6_ZA_yTumkCuiz_TSDKKzly82do9BwSD 1P2wiDsIyYPKwzN2eAQJTgzmH30oToUnYwX6el4643OCtd1WTqLrT6qZx.r. hWojdkSnvE1CIhOrjjMvAT2ySy3ejIhT0lu7MXG19qFgdrve__.xZXa26GSA B6.15lXmEkuMvATTtcyX1aBGkzgCLiWk0YpfJO._fZtlkF0LyrC8N6gCkzaS pDYaXuKJ1bod0ZU0cD8r_FrZrhCdW6NXsHrB7HC63AxUt48_V6Shvc.nG1Q- - Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:39:10 PDT a2VwdCBteSBidWRkeSBjb21wYW55IHRoaXMgd2VlayBhcyBoZSBhdHRlbXB0ZWQgdG8gcmVidWlsZCBoaXMgemVuaXRoIGNhcmJzIGZyb20gaGlzIDczIFRSNi4KwqAKZmlyc3QgZnJ1c3RyYXRpb24gaXMgYnV5aW5nIGEgInJlYnVpbGQga2l0IiB0aGF0IGNvbnRhaW5zIG9ubHkgMS8yIHRoZSBwYXJ0cyB5b3UgbmVlZCB0byByZWJ1aWxkISBnb3QgbmV3IGpldHMgYnV0IG5vIG5ldyBuZWVkbGUuIHdoYXQgdGhlIGhlY2s_CsKgCmNvdXBsZSBxdWVzdGlvbnM6CsKgCmZpcnN0IGhvdyBkbyB5b3UgZ2V0IHRoYXQBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 carb neadles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net kept my buddy company this week as he attempted to rebuild his zenith carbs from his 73 TR6. first frustration is buying a "rebuild kit" that contains only 1/2 the parts you need to rebuild! got new jets but no new needle. what the heck? couple questions: first how do you get that jet out? second. how do you get the needle out? and the needle was wobbly. you could push it sideways a little. is that normal? yes we had the little grub screw screwed in and the little brass collar turned so the slot lined up with the grub screw.. also we could pull the needle down and it would pop back in like its on a spring. is that normal? thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 10:59:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE76C40E22 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3A84009A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 022791C00024A; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dda003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dda003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.9]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CC5B3E000085; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Full-name: McGaheyRx Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363021099; bh=ACcBcsEX61khAWqCffvxjp6J4BZwjwbWOzhjnAqsHwE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OFGAgTVL/f72rE3u7lMxEHl3GNcfIMEUO2d+Wd1wcekLRsfy3ZVC3ez6WCiqMV98Z Uqgr48yd796vJ5++CcOjZ7xVxz7y22HREn6DxXWuCcwitHyVf3Q+NzjEMFuf9ON+9w 7XAWDqFhqFvnstu3+UclOfq7q+soJ2/lGXKN+J48= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b513e0d2b7e69 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 carb neadles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 3/11/2013 12:40:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: first frustration is buying a "rebuild kit" that contains only 1/2 the parts you need to rebuild! got new jets but no new needle. what the heck? I have never seen a ZS rebuild kit that came with jets or needles - it would be unusual to need needles, and even more unusual to need jets. the jets on a 73 have to be pressed out. second. how do you get the needle out? and the needle was wobbly. you could push it sideways a little. is that normal? yes, that is normal. to get the needle out, first you will need to screw the adjusting screw all the way out of the needle carrier (from above with a ZS adjustment tool) - then remove that grub screw and pull the needle out. .. also we could pull the needle down and it would pop back in like its on a spring. is that normal? yes, that is normal Cheers, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 11:11:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CC84282D for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D73C403E2 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA12C380001E8 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6CA37E000095 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:10:31 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363021832; bh=51ynhBWdgktqC3I0aqafYAjXyoMwP1nf+5gwdQ6FLLM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=osDiOXIbidcIBEJVTwXztMAoKaqzmFKslYI6Yx8i4BBFPp2HulEIWkvi7sYRXL2f9 K//DJWijH+fGswSzp97CQOvp4pPF4L59OVGf72fSH0BHYYMjA+/fvIO2ln4DSwcCRn VutDVYIVWo1n3TeheOy6H6wxYzOILl+CgvaLkbzg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d513e1007460b Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I dunno, isn't the carb full of the stuff? Dave In a message dated 3/11/2013 8:38:33 AM Central Daylight Time, pethier@comcast.net writes: > >How long did Volkswagen go without a filter? The old beetles had only > >a > >screen (similar to that in the Laycock overdrives). > > Around 1970, I knew a raceworker from Minneapolis. Phil Dean. Phil had a > beetle. I was over there while he changed the oil. Cleaned the screen > with gasoline. > > Isn't that dangerous? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 11:12:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617544291D for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157144249F for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm39.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 17:10:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 17:10:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 17:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 51645 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2013 17:10:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363021846; bh=oIsAuS248cRO8jJ/fwpNANiDOJxEwNKeOiSSf//ECp8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DMqFrPGunS5XA3LIxFCvUme3C7uAEQEHeQyEShpGvfqrzRT/UzQJOpcZOYV/qJHcbiDSr74o4GzX5mlXYZF6dppXk2Na/TyubtISUja6C/TJVX/gPl2UPLSlPJ+WaNJV02gQl6T0llXYaG2CVeSmJaD9/qzHv6zBkso8/t5BxU0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PogXxSW+4EZrooF52HLfg4bIpM8dGu8Vgai1GnUcxDLUrgnqPH5s0pVWoYwDrE8ftvG57gjPhuvtnF6wOFYiGUXpsPoyfNhkhSQm2Dgsm0W1ZDe03WHJU4Bresy2ldRgFzLIKII07UXhernDnoSJuAkuB7q6pNawLpvg1QahGfY=; mPzRhkm8Uvj.7GNa.5vcBDXmUpEIiwDagJGlgd_PF.MjDoq4KQl3iCMNJG1E nhl.cd5XaEwbNUsmpCvUw3RC8R6QN_aSAxImldqkTd4zQTiHkBmESdM4R_TL o.gk1dZsFn6C91YNY5m9.PZiWJfWccx2_gA2.ZvHdrFH4bD6asfH7yXBDvMP XE9v17swMxD6kq4beDIa6VJFNSEC_y4aNxVU.ZEg7UDCaRp7X7jIA1KYr8n3 shIb7oJRGxOgvgYrvWD49VwFo2Vw8aksVc9t8XF02XrW80WCQoT9zdV9uvK4 xATptrcwzPt6tql8LyABnmIRvYO.b0EceC43LS45wgNTV6pqgwv387XkviTr 3h2G8VSk1mpzReZRhGxb7vlE7RIm1D._q9wxbhmDQpKFBfLuz3R_wWVvg9eV FggQPvYCrBQv9L3yl.V8- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:10:46 PDT dGhhbmsgeW91IEphY2suCmkgY2FuIGNvbmZpcm0gdGhhdCBoaXMga2l0IGRpZCBjb250YWluIGEgc2V0IG9mIGpldHMuIGJ1dCBkaWQgbm90IGNvbnRhaW4gYSBuZWVkbGUuCsKgCnNvIGJhc2ljYWxseSBhIHJlYnVpbGQga2lkIGlzIGEgbmV3IGRpYXBocmFnbSwgc2NyZXdzIGFuZCBnYXNrZXRzPyBqdXN0IGJlaW5nIGEgYXNzIGhlcmUgb24gdGhpcyBjb21tZW50IDotKQrCoArCoHRoYW5rcwpGcmFuawoKRnJvbTogIk1jR2FoZXlSeEBhb2wuY29tIiA8TWNHYWhleVJ4QGFvbC5jb20.ClRvOiB5ZWxsb3d0cjMBMAEBAQE- References: <7c20.4d01c1b0.3e6f672a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "McGaheyRx@aol.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 carb neadles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thank you Jack. i can confirm that his kit did contain a set of jets. but did not contain a needle. so basically a rebuild kid is a new diaphragm, screws and gaskets? just being a ass here on this comment :-) thanks Frank From: "McGaheyRx@aol.com" To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 carb neadles In a message dated 3/11/2013 12:40:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: first frustration is buying a "rebuild kit" that contains >only 1/2 the parts you need to rebuild! got new jets but no new needle. what >the heck? I have never seen a ZS rebuild kit that came with jets or needles - it would be unusual to need needles, and even more unusual to need jets. the jets on a 73 have to be pressed out. >second. >how do you get the needle out? >and the needle was wobbly. you could push it >sideways a little. is that normal? yes, that is normal. to get the needle out, first you will need to screw the adjusting screw all the way out of the needle carrier (from above with a ZS adjustment tool) - then remove that grub screw and pull the needle out. .. > >also we could pull the needle down and it would pop back in like its on a >spring. is that normal? > yes, that is normal Cheers, Jack Mc > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 11:35:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA82840E34 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993340543 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9196E380001F2; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 407BBE000089; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:34:10 -0400 (EDT) To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363023250; bh=Z/ZegZIvlP3Cg3jt6urEOgnI9Mbydc8nm/39tqHys80=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KZflfen/cQd9RbTS6+E4UiqzP7LI8Y+z6rNwz/J8MX/scGhtcMZeSgr2oEKj2GUdJ B+eWzbHFfF1KRDg70lFrEDr/QN+0A7AreEt9Lvkm7H/oBAoqZY2hkTf1Sic8ZGcepD cgkYHzkoegs+Wo55hyFpySff4VEaj/ZqVivIRmxE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909513e15927da4 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 carb neadles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The rebuild kits are generic but the needles are specific to the model, market and year of the car so other than including all possible needle selections the only option is to supply none. (Makes for a less expensive kit) Yes, the needle is spring loaded. This eliminates the need to center the jet (which you can't do on a ZS carb anyway). To remove you remove the grub screw on the side of the piston and then back off the adjustment and the needle assembly will withdraw from the bottom of the piston. The jets themselves are pressed in. I've never changed one so I don't know the best way to go about this. Pressing one in means you have to set the proper depth so be sure to measure the depth before you remove the old one. Dave (I've got a couple of kits coming in the mail myself) In a message dated 3/11/2013 11:40:43 AM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > first frustration is buying a "rebuild kit" that contains > only 1/2 the parts you need to rebuild! got new jets but no new needle. > what > the heck? > > couple questions: > > first how do you get that jet out? > > second. > how do you get the needle out? > and the needle was wobbly. you could push it > sideways a little. is that normal? yes we had the little grub screw > screwed in > and the little brass collar turned so the slot lined up with the grub > screw.. > > also we could pull the needle down and it would pop back in like its on a > spring. is that normal? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 12:43:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4145D40E20 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBC340549 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A68E51C00006C; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4D525E000095; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) References: To: grandfatherjim@gmail.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:42:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363027333; bh=fm+8QmuCPRW2TM4XTHvNlpKMSDDBRik9E4NV3ZZdWwA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pYbmrPKLYT+5RlswgVmal7QqtbGDd3Vxu79mfFYeObOarZEP6afYNlDz+iq3MKl+I pLgSNVoqyB4CW2gvNOS+CKauClWG3hPDNAMItkNArFNTPawCkF9Aop2n4mwBsii+8K ieGpjL1tg2NWoegHQo6REUTuN2hSn+UtHgMn0+Kc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a513e2585177d Subject: Re: [TR] Rear oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As you say, the Ferguson engine was an adaption of the the Vanguard engine. Ferguson may have specified a lip seal change on the old rope seal which was already in production for the Triumph line. The question is why didn't they incorporate the change into the motor car line? Inertia, probably. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Jim Wallace I have rebuilt 3 Ferguson tractors, 1950-1952 models, which were manufactured by the Standard Motor Company. I believe this motor was an adaptation of the engine from the Standard Vanguard but my memory could be off on that. Anyway, the crank is the same as on the TR2/3, except - it has the more "modern" contact-type, rear oil seal. I wonder why, when they further adapted it for the TR, they went to a scroll? They built a lot more of those tractors than they ever did the 4 cylinder TRs (about 570,000) so it's not like they didn't have experience. The tractor does top out at about 1,800 rpm; maybe that's a factor. The tractor factor? Jim ========= From: "Randall" Subject: Re: [TR] When to rebuild > The moral of the story is there are two parts to the sealing > issue, the seal > and the surface the seal contacts. Both are important. Except of course for the original TR2-4A rear main seal; which was a non-contact design. Lots of folks dislike it, but at the time the engine was developed, it was actually an improvement over the "conventional" rear main seal (which was basically cotton rope back then). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 12:44:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D09F424B8 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B8040549 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-12271.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.63.242] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UF7hC-0007bs-Fe; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:43:38 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:43:38 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: tr4a2712@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-03-11, at 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT), Cosmo Kramer wrote: > > I own a '67 TR4A & it does NOT have any opening in the upper right hand courner or ANY WHERE, other than to place the rubber coupling onto the filler cap. In fact, my spare tank that I pulled out of a TR4 (I think or may have been a TR4A) dosen't have any other, too. > Did TRIUMPH do this to some tanks & not others? > I am the second owner of my 67 TR4A. I purchased it from the original owner with 33 000 miles on it and no accident damage any where so I doubt this tank was ever replaced. The only openings on the top of the tank are: the filler neck that couples to the gas cap on the top side of the body the sending unit for the gas gauge. Keith Stewart ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 12:46:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BED40E01 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B2940549 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zCNvA4KjxLoA:10 a=nNCpAA_kAAAA:8 a=UbsMuHuwQWUquvvfvwQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Nj_GCVpQxMUA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:47505] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id A6/11-06772-C262E315; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:45:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:45:00 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs , Frank Fisher Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 carb neadles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > got new jets but no new needle. what > the heck? That's so you can substitute the B1E needles that supposedly work better with E10 (according to Joe Curto). > first how do you get that jet out? This will sound somewhat heretical, but what about just leaving the jet alone? Unlike the earlier fixed needle carbs, the jets rarely wear on the later carbs with the spring-loaded needles. As noted, it is pressed into place. Some simple mandrels are called for, you probably don't want to put pressure on the entire carb body. And there is no positive location for position (even though the position is somewhat critical), so be sure to measure the old position and duplicate it. > how do you get the needle out? Read the excellent series of articles on how to rebuild ZS carbs at http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/technical.htm > and the needle was wobbly. you could push it > sideways a little. is that normal? yes we had the little grub screw screwed in > and the little brass collar turned so the slot lined up with the grub screw.. > > also we could pull the needle down and it would pop back in like its on a > spring. is that normal? Yes, and yes. Obviously you don't want to pull too hard as the spring is what locates the needle in normal operation. --- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 12:52:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7A140E3B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:52:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E7F4054F for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id xb4so4062618pbc.29 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HqWd7ZJ0uebLLTMT9FoxfAYciLL/7XYVEkdwQYMNDLY=; b=TTH9Ya7NsJ+CJnQdkE/3PEg/JlpqnB8RSnn8lsBmwhqSJ2yxvTiQJyTyPT80zT6MjA Xesftu36ZZfOya5HXQGz5MSW4axanfyNvYN5j4tsqkC3PPAR3ohlJcXqEwaWtrE3XJzn mW5ZuqvElaNipgiL5A1RkJx0f5dUpr2t+RKqR6yqU6+M6gcLfmNStxFw466dAmXYusfw g4aClcDllxdGrYUT+g8y+wBlNSEvTlpUR3zK6XnMleUXsNZkzfSnk/Y9F5RraPLsdpi1 swTaj47fkTFL2wENdbKNJxg/lrZGFV9lVq/MTnzbX4LhPAbZNYUGWgeynyyYLVgddlg2 VZvQ== xq9mr30656959pbc.160.1363027888218; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-63-172.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.63.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xr3sm21478194pbc.46.2013.03.11.11.51.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:51:21 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/11/13 11:43 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > I am the second owner of my 67 TR4A. I purchased it from the original owner > with 33 000 miles on it and no accident damage any where so I doubt this tank > was ever replaced. The only openings on the top of the tank are: > the filler neck that couples to the gas cap on the top side of the body > Hmm. My original TR3A fuel tank has a filler opening, a sender unit opening, a fuel outlet opening and a threaded opening for a breather tube. I gather that the breather tube was eliminated as an early anti SMOG step. None of which has any real meaning to TR6 tanks. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 14:00:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E36440554 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6721C40419 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MFeCz-1U13qD01PZ-00ESWB; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:58:21 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:58:28 -0400 zZlO/z96ZCpexMu+p1FIMNyYAtcLxwKpGg29RwdDJi1/JqR7BZ f8igiqbHu6eg9+hemjgeHl2DJZrImXOh33a0tg/EwXtMxw565D CvSHdsM5ugW615LOMAy/EyRYNNORUbQolHDkmlrx6Sbehfq+o9 NfYpi1As9wbVcHA3bACsvgY3oMpNVJ3GCYbMF8r4qHTB9yTaFN UoMZfFS6XsacGTy7uC8BTLo+zDVh3N41J2bxjmCUiX4jra5iYT RWzyFpMeCQSh7BG5ah00CXrDDqnvjO0H8tDA7JLSrEA5aFlEuN uzzWDP9C/wM22ZohVL9McAJd5yRjFR1ZDR3DMVewN Subject: [TR] 6-Pack Mail List Still Exist? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net At one point I thought I there was a 6-Pack Mail List that I was subscribed to but I can't find any place on team.net to see if it still exists. Is it still around and how do you sign up for it? Thanks Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 14:06:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D94240E4D for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5ED40419 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:06:12 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=pTzqZbqM9tkA:10 a=5igszWbf8x0A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=6g6qAz9gZJoA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=MxGE3AYxAAAA:8 a=Qzb_LykmdxJ9Dhf1YHcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:56426] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 15/E9-06772-BF83E315; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:05:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:05:20 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> References: <02B6FEDC1BDF435AA8F293E7B1FDF309@BobDell> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 6-Pack Mail List Still Exist? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I was also on that list but got bounced off over a year ago. Never did find out why. I am guessing that the list was dropped due to limited traffic. Bob On 03/11/2013 03:58 PM, Bob wrote: > At one point I thought I there was a 6-Pack Mail List that I was > subscribed to but I can't find any place on team.net to see if it > still exists. Is it still around and how do you sign up for it? > > Thanks > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ > > 1975 TR6 modified with: > -Throttle Body Injection > -Toyota 5 Speed > -Nissan Differential > -AAW Wire Harness ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 14:31:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FE940E92 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692A84051E for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fj20so4355113lab.20 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QArHunhRpBunP6attwsdWsvJOv76qk0E4c0SWZHhU+s=; b=zZ5h12T+NSaYSp4EOidu7mMbpjcV2KLBVLE3uihhJ6Y2gN9UB/4Jj4viff6qtvhW3p fr4l7WtwZ95qBRadSxC477ykI8I5Q2c+Pz+2gvdziCtQepBrYMacSV07YrORasAAz4J9 bvEeohtGcJm5ClpxSe31ScBfWKka4MjYePXcPWTbVWIl6fxeIFJSW1rxbuDXloWIPn0s sfShSjpMZB4Cl31tIsgrARC+TOsBIf9rLYL4Q8vWcds9yo9ko8F6/XHf/s8NA1f90Duw twMj/KaEIwUrg03K4ASVKH5u12pZuL0hvhfAL2eDoyGO/CfY3l2Md6MecT6OB55Unshi XpOw== n10mr5222655lbg.15.1363033795213; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.130.41 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <02B6FEDC1BDF435AA8F293E7B1FDF309@BobDell> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:29:55 -0400 From: Larry Griffin To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 6-Pack Mail List Still Exist? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, It is still active. There were several postings on Friday. I believe you can sign up at this link: http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Thanks, Larry Griffin 71TR6 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > At one point I thought I there was a 6-Pack Mail List that I was subscribed > to but I can't find any place on team.net to see if it still exists. Is it > still around and how do you sign up for it? > > Thanks > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ > > 1975 TR6 modified with: > -Throttle Body Injection > -Toyota 5 Speed > -Nissan Differential > -AAW Wire Harness > -CVJs... and more > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/larrygriffin.nc@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 14:55:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4259D40E4D for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467704044E for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NpsVlQ6ZsHEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=2Qj-KMnaeQjyjcByCmAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:53302] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9E/4E-06772-B744E315; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:54:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:54:19 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > I gather that the breather tube was eliminated as an early anti > SMOG step. Look like it was deleted at CT19971, roughly Jan 1963. But I think it was just because they decided the separate vent tube was overkill (and has a tendency to dump fuel on the road). The "emissions" tanks would have had a separate fitting(s), to allow the fumes to be routed to the carbon canister and intake manifold. My vent line has been blocked off for years. Other than not leaving a stripe of fuel when I turn left with a full tank, it seems to work fine. But I also have a fuel cap with a small vent hole through the inner plate. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 16:19:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7735340E40 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35B14044E for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 22:16:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 22:16:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 22:16:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10401 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2013 22:16:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363040210; bh=tamZQBcdaPPcOEpiTEgpI97dfsBa9PIdNXzPnUhMKow=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I1n018lv7YBcItapMxsiDo7QCIVzS7PktwI/DChVOHJh15u/9Gl+pywZY5o5bHWTT7SAg3kQVZgKmc9GYaFGBKUqPRxLdtMXqgDVIkb9MP6K2613qXCMiamhR7orRatwowWxS6lCt0uhJUfEywCzSoqbw+eUvzC03lIhRB17UsQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=52yKoP1D3AYRCVbQ9WJ427Rz4xQO8o4/XdNG/2MXWTXwFps2q/4eudv825ftJnRaNKQIAj/ItoC3Ac8YCB7d2/z+E7PVPveG7SCdt1C4ISn0dtBm0U4DhaGoadK9/kxFie57dHfruxqivXs4mQH0H6aUkFoBNMpAjhj3xZyNc08=; deWub7CEOC_RbTHHRiTjE..1UmMQneQYtKrrZpHvGU32GcppCwXiEfCiskmJ c70FwaQlb5PaxvIcQaYSJGQu_te5F2JYQ5vKtuafoJKEYCO_QJA1IbNEDtYk RE09hQtbfmXuzlBlob5GUrkVZs_JveX.RK6PkM4lnurdETC_XfR7aeWOOuW2 itKP6PtrTvl4TO8WlQ4BRav1G7LOqdMQJAKXuBHM.DFoG9Mpl15wZsvBJWyw 3FbsP4fwLao0EqBu_m.GiWC1pEFcgS1c.RXc23kmdjfIJ5h3aTtnmuZxiNA6 LUGIoug0KPNjE1x9cIuSRSeMWBAQaKvf1NXH.FuQV51p5iCyqWqIqed23nl7 i6LcyclebrpCBp32mOhEHPAsXog2L6jHHMoSAglto33vqCWf4FHckc98T1tV PWHxh3VX8uDMWd.C.yCtVcZLdFw5B144G_uGJuUiT Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:16:49 PDT QXMgZmFyIGFzIEkga25vdyB0aGV5IHN0b3BwZWQgcHV0dGluZyB0aGUgdmVudCBjb25uZWN0aW9uIHNvbWV0aW1lIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgc3RhcnQgb2YgVFI0QSBwcm9kdWN0aW9uLiAgVGhleSBqdXN0IHVzZSBhIHZlbnRlZCBnYXMgY2FwIGluc3RlYWQuICBBIGdvb2QgdGhpbmcgcmVhbGx5IGFzIHRoZSB0YW5rIG1vdW50ZWQgdmVudCBhbHdheXMgc3BpbGxzIGZ1ZWwgaW4gYSB0aWdodCBsZWZ0IHR1cm4gd2hlbiBmdWxsLg0KDQpFZHdhcmQgSGFtZXINClBldGFsdW1hIENBATABAQEB Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As far as I know they stopped putting the vent connection sometime around the start of TR4A production. They just use a vented gas cap instead. A good thing really as the tank mounted vent always spills fuel in a tight left turn when full. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 17:26:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645864053E for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920E64052C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:25:51 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=U4JVVQDIB5T5LX/ZQIGtBz3Jl5KAp6HocgL4EfgQi59+aZ2wofj/wSK48ZXmNuV9; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [97.123.31.87] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UFC5C-000092-28 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:24:42 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" References: <1363040209.10293.YahooMailClassic@web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There's no vent on the top of my TR4A gas tank. Cap is vented. This is a '66 production year car. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Q Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 4:16 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Custom Aluminum Fuel Tank ~15 gallons As far as I know they stopped putting the vent connection sometime around the start of TR4A production. They just use a vented gas cap instead. A good thing really as the tank mounted vent always spills fuel in a tight left turn when full. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 11 23:27:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ABD42572 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034AB40E92 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E36A1432 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:27:39 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <02B6FEDC1BDF435AA8F293E7B1FDF309@BobDell> <513E3900.3030501@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [TR] 6-Pack Mail List Still Exist? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A list of lists: 2000-register - Triumph 2000 discussion 6pack - 6pack TR6 discussions Alpines - Sunbeam Alpine Discussion Amphicar - Amphicar Enthusiasts list Aston-martin - Aston Martin vehicle discussion Autojumble - Automotive related buy and sell autox - Autocross discussion Ba-autox - [no description available] Bmcu - British Motor Club of Utah Bmw-Mini - Discussions about the new BMW Mini Bricklin - Bricklin automobile discussion British-cars - British car discussions British-cars-pre-war - Pre WWII British automobile discussion Buick-rover-v8 - Discussion applications for the Buick-Rover V8 Cahc - Cascade Austin Healey Club Chapman-era - British Sports cars inspired by Colin Chapman Curved-dash-olds - Curved Dash Oldsmobiles, 1900 - 1905 Datsun-roadsters - Datsun Roadster discussion DMVR - DMVR Formula-ford - Discussion of SCCA Formula Fords of various types Glen-scca-racing - SCCA Glen region road racing list goldcoast - Gold Coast British Car Club Gta - Georgia Triumph Association Healeys - Austin Healey Discussion Italia - Triumph Italia discussion Jagnuts - JAGNUTS Regina Land-speed - Land Speed racing Lotus-cars - Lotus cars, past, present, future LSUFSAE - Mailing list for LSU's FSAE Team LSUminibaja - [no description available] Mailman - [no description available] Marcos - Marcos sports car discussion Mg-mmm - Discussion about MG Triple M vehicles Mg-t - MG T series vehicle discussion Mgb-v8 - V8 powered MG discussion Mgs - MG Sports Car discussion Miata - Mazda Miata discussion Migcruisers - [no description available] Mini-list - Mini discussion Morgans - Morgan Automobiles Discussion Morris - Morris automobile discussion NOBBC - North Bay British Car Club Oletrucks - Chevy/GM trucks from 1941 - 59 Shop-talk - Random workshop related discussion Shotimes - Ford SHO Product discussion list Single-malt - Scotch appreciation Spitfires - Triumph Spitfire Discussion Spridgets - Sprite and Midget discussions superchargers - Supercharger discussion Team-thicko - irreverent VIntage Racing stuff The-local - Random chatter for team.net folks Tigers - Sunbeam Tigers Triumphs - Triumph Sports car discussion Tvr - TVR Sports car discussion Vintage-race - Various Vintage Racing issues and chatter Vtow - Vintage Triumphs of Wisconsin Vtr - Discussion for Vintage Triumph Register folks Wichitapca - Whicita PCA group WMJR - Wasatch Mountain Jaguar Register [ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 20:40:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B064043B for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF97403DF for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2909F1C00010F; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.69]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E26C4E000081; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catpusher@aol.com Full-name: Catpusher Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363142339; bh=pfYWaZ4cEmRblteSiUXVhlJ4LoSNlrsrmbYXy9pmtRU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hw4nNStNF1xqTVVnwFX1f44k+o6D8tGL0eVRfZSURv8L3xKvizRqOGdGePWuJ0Lj8 iEt4rvGRG9craBKTpR1RJn0piSEdik+4JU46SjK9efMbbSYGwwyS8C21iR0KwaC2wX LlPkrYbOfREMaZEBlnLO8gJq3vCkElLQo7TnD/po= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b513fe6c227da Cc: tr3driver@ca.rr.com Subject: [TR] Subject: Re: TR6 carb neadles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience, the jets do wear with the spring loaded needles. Volvo even made a tool to move the jet in the body; it replaced the plug below the jet and screwed into the threads in the main body. It would push the jet up in a controlled manor, but the location needs to be exact, and be measured by the proper exhaust mixture. Even a new adjustable needle often has too little range to deal with jet wear alone. Much lost time and spilled fuel over adjusting an early carb, let alone most SUs. TR Regards Hardy In a message dated 3/12/2013 11:01:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, triumphs-request@autox.team.net writes: From: Randall To: Triumphs , Frank Fisher Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 carb neadles > got new jets but no new needle. what > the heck? That's so you can substitute the B1E needles that supposedly work better with E10 (according to Joe Curto). > first how do you get that jet out? This will sound somewhat heretical, but what about just leaving the jet alone? Unlike the earlier fixed needle carbs, the jets rarely wear on the later carbs with the spring-loaded needles. As noted, it is pressed into place. Some simple mandrels are called for, you probably don't want to put pressure on the entire carb body. And there is no positive location for position (even though the position is somewhat critical), so be sure to measure the old position and duplicate it. > how do you get the needle out? Read the excellent series of articles on how to rebuild ZS carbs at http://www.buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/technical.htm > and the needle was wobbly. you could push it > sideways a little. is that normal? yes we had the little grub screw screwed in > and the little brass collar turned so the slot lined up with the grub screw.. > > also we could pull the needle down and it would pop back in like its on a > spring. is that normal? Yes, and yes. Obviously you don't want to pull too hard as the spring is what locates the needle in normal operation. --- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 23:09:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9CE40451 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF444041B for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F93A145D for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:10:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Mark Bradakis To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:09:52 -0600 Subject: [TR] Forums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 11:20:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0F940E37 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD1640443 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:20:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2013 17:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2013 17:19:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2013 17:19:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 52575 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2013 17:19:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363195157; bh=zIrAwmioBoLsSR4LDeJuBU9ARF7S5YV4fiauM5RNt+o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WRSj7kAN6gPJ2sTyhz6qvAzknZ9zEQNkUJojoChLhtJ6vKRS9LizkhKA+qT2dRisbfF0IqpUprCZl0AnEgSmM+eBvgVomXgvsxLzd+jYRAN0B/iwN+0C6Oxdz/jR8oOimpUW5eJFa2IItIU/NkeKDTjaaBIqTlX7kk2EN2FqpDU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sGwG5GHkRuLFNWLYLFvCkwCiBU5zPpsOMwZMjwL7Z60NcMhJARVLLGG0HYQT5/CZF4eBFjINzh+RhKAZXwpHl7fe0+W3W2vkhPLXlQBq5Sa2ARoz4wzzLmhhYfwnZh+9YiTxoz9zUgoBu5f4GiXPD+rk5VJQZlgJqY/5qoRwQjI=; ovyImq_VhGZPulfZKhy4E8Xj4yeMACobXn4uo2j4VzOlwFeqbg.62CusRZ._ E9KoYn3X9P3WycfoQTZI3HnWdCtLTXYY..dIa3lOEmWWrq5M3_xFuymx1oxX 78CW5XFEV0gYuZxwKd.b.MnSCfVrmjWdhVVRyvXErbU.3OOpzcnPz3WDMfu7 JZBX6KOXV_zWxVCRJILWcAxHZNKJcih5eg4FKGxUyaVACs75uN.sIaIeYmsG w2oE4pjtjrg260lsZkE5XhD.oi4JRlLravZdb5NN4EmDLQRgthPnolTHT.8E YYjPYCkDguNirmStHJlM91n3C_rCTSeAj.rJxZxZ6XS99_HMaik_VbIYs6r1 A0UpSgtVI2ceBrBZGqB3Kp.5M1f4nPfbp76vvS.7ZrD_Xy9YUMTmj4bIzxU_ 8eojq5_.zz1Vip1fHxsJc5QpgJHDDslCUJXBvDFswEK8KyM6vw1kE2QAAn.t 7EANUZIMR4g-- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:19:17 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgU28gSSd2ZSBiZWd1biBkcml2aW5nIHRoZSBUUjMgdG8gd29yayBhZ2Fpbi4gSXQgaGFzIGJlZW4gaW4gdGhlIDgwJ3MgZHVyaW5nIHRoZSBkYXkgaW4gTW9qYXZlLiBJdCBpcyBwcmV0dHkgYnJpc2sgYXQgMDYwMCBhdCB0aGUgbWlsZSBoaWdoIGVsZXZhdGlvbiB0aGF0IEkgbGl2ZSBhdC4KwqDCoMKgwqAgVGhlIHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlIGdhdWdlIGluIHRoZSBUUjMgaGFzIGxvc3QgdGhlIGV0aGVyIGFuZCBpcyBnZXR0aW5nIHNlbnQgaW4gdG8gYmUgcmVidWlsdCBhc2FwLgrCoMKgwqDCoCBTbyABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I've begun driving the TR3 to work again. It has been in the 80's during the day in Mojave. It is pretty brisk at 0600 at the mile high elevation that I live at. The temperature gauge in the TR3 has lost the ether and is getting sent in to be rebuilt asap. So yesterday I am driving home. The TR runs like a freight train. I coasted down about 1/2 mile and downhill and stopped outside my garage. While the garage door is opening the car overheats and steam comes out. I topped off the coolant. Later that evening I let my daughter drive the TR with me in the car with her. We are tooling around the hills at low speeds, under 35 mph. We coast down about a mile of downhill and stop at a stop sign. I begin smelling hot coolant again. It is like it is taunting me. My radiator was rebuilt about 12 years ago without a crank hole. I have blocked off the water pump bypass with a brass plug with a 1/8" hole drilled in it to prevent vacuum lock. I have an electric fan (puller, not pusher) that comes on at about 190. Tonight I am going to use a Prestone radiator flush and refill with fresh coolant and distilled water 50/50 mix. With the coolant out I am going to pour water in the top to see how fast it sloshes out the bottom hose hole to see if the radiator appears blocked.. I only use distilled water and coolant in my radiator. Last year I put on a new Moss radiator cap and a new 185 thermostat and put on all new hoses. My question is, why does it overheat after a long downhill? I could see it overheating after a long uphill. Gotta get the temp gauge fixed. I meant to do it when the cold weather arrived. -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 11:24:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9DD4256C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9AF403D0 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:23:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2013 17:22:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2013 17:22:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2013 17:22:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 59460 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2013 17:22:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363195369; bh=QmzbOSEUlQDJw3jdJzykUkhycwQe+NlnTQ/MQxz5/Nk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q4p9n4JYzIgAOhtlAlXvJLTqVJ5u97rf4y2YxG5b8A1mSPen5qTo7akLoqU7M5ZRk65xO+us1EtQaLXyW9Onvz9r8uiDeIRqibhVQ49GQU8Vt0TyZnBuI5ifeAFNPS1Fks2pHbg2DuIdHbHeOEtvxt+oZ49nPevE9W4Cte3igzE= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HY8qQz7FR0vU0XLPlHb0/l2/wMI986hwWzd7S/WXRUn4YOIqq/XYoIio6OQc8ZH7ibvxIhk0kse0PIZCyqk8OtL1jIVLZTCcagrmLFhRVQvmslezgrXOHO5tUq9iaFkNxrpNDmvbwyE8tmie4GiYOzj7QPT1Mv14U6sLo4xJlLA=; JyJy0Ek2aaoAEOhS99L9aJpY2TUyGzSuVHEUFcPtL1QSf23ditgCdlxxhHbx 8pDKVXNpZH251n_rSW4IdzhTJgxjAuZHmAiisMS1UTirnRznyTmQWMghYRJn 81sJOEtAO9UhcAQc563yGyKH6GP3A.6kGitTa8gXuhSAFGR.ox_3V9DdkA70 qp8XLINWUh2kR_Wp3cRfPXvR9Zn30I52U_a1qPuG8VcQLrWbiTmSyqHQfwvh ZE42EKidVCspjoQiVnzPCGTU.2nL6XXXO9Qa5qFHxn5RW19G_g8bNuWel7He bbrOziCShgMXjJbQJbqFfTC2LwnThPvksj4el8dXSwJTVYK4F0HeYkQdslj4 NVQYAhEn1JKXS18D8FltLdGXI4cs824BO5L56qjnxMdneauXgRCtYVUjrR.9 7ADTfdZZqZL2vIiz2lP76hncXO3HIff7m3Gohtuo_1wP_FMd2TFE8ZwEfEzm HoxLDEMtesA-- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:22:48 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBhbSBnZXR0aW5nIHJlYWR5IHRvIHNlbmQgb3V0IG15IHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlIGdhdWdlIGJhY2sgdG8gV2VzdCBWYWxsZXkgSW5zdHJ1bWVudCwgd2hvIHJlYnVpbHQgaXQgaW4gdGhlIG1pZCA5MCdzLiBJcyB0aGVyZSBhIGJldHRlciBnYXVnZSBvdXQgdGhlcmUgdG8gaW5zdGFsbCBpbiBhIFRSM0E_IEkgd2FzIHRoaW5raW5nIHRoYXQgbWF5YmUgdGhlcmUgaXMgYSBnYXVnZSB3aXRoIGFuIGVsZWN0cmljIHNlbmRpbmcgdW5pdCB0aGF0IHN0aWxsIGxvb2tzIGxpa2UgdGhlIFRSMyBnYXVnZSABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Temperature Gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am getting ready to send out my temperature gauge back to West Valley Instrument, who rebuilt it in the mid 90's. Is there a better gauge out there to install in a TR3A? I was thinking that maybe there is a gauge with an electric sending unit that still looks like the TR3 gauge or something. I would rather not put a VDO or Stewart Warner gauge in my TR. I'll probably end up just having the original rebuilt again. TIA, -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 11:50:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A84640E45 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C26403FB for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DF3031C0000F8 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9D380E000091 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:48:25 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363196905; bh=og/SwF7wkeojjqj93TJHdIuyKtgwJ1CqsYLuQHjXcsU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C42dGtG27Rx8HRjliU50zRYFK6iSgF4IgWWN4i72MD1Vl2qxdjxc8KJivCpTBgyPV B1C6BUb7ZDSTOnXjfaLMqC1IAY74dbQMxLGJNyxmrrOybV9fecMf0LkalorxYoMv0F NuSETMFcut3yFC89OFmq++Kqz08ywwS74ffdQMBc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495140bbe92140 Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check your radiator cap. I had an overheating problem in one of my cars but only at altitude (6,000 ft and higher). The cap was not holding pressure and I would get boil over even when the car was just at normal operating temperatures. A new cap solved the problem. Dave In a message dated 3/13/2013 12:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time, wsb1960tr3a@att.net writes: > So I've begun driving the TR3 to work again. It has been in the 80's > during the day in Mojave. It is pretty brisk at 0600 at the mile high > elevation that I live at. > The temperature gauge in the TR3 has lost the > ether and is getting sent in to be rebuilt asap. > So yesterday I am > driving home. The TR runs like a freight train. I coasted down about 1/2 > mile > and downhill and stopped outside my garage. While the garage door is > opening > the car overheats and steam comes out. > I topped off the coolant. Later > that evening I let my daughter drive the TR with me in the car with her. > We > are tooling around the hills at low speeds, under 35 mph. We coast down > about > a mile of downhill and stop at a stop sign. I begin smelling hot coolant > again. It is like it is taunting me. > My radiator was rebuilt about 12 > years ago without a crank hole. > I have blocked off the water pump bypass > with a brass plug with a 1/8" hole drilled in it to prevent vacuum lock. > > I have an electric fan (puller, not pusher) that comes on at about 190. > > Tonight I am going to use a Prestone radiator flush and refill with fresh > coolant and distilled water 50/50 mix. > With the coolant out I am going to > pour water in the top to see how fast it sloshes out the bottom hose hole > to > see if the radiator appears blocked.. > > I only use distilled water and > coolant in my radiator. > Last year I put on a new Moss radiator cap and a > new 185 thermostat and put on all new hoses. > My question is, why does it > overheat after a long downhill? I could see it overheating after a long > uphill. > Gotta get the temp gauge fixed. I meant to do it when the cold > weather arrived. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 11:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5426940537 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f49.google.com (mail-da0-f49.google.com [209.85.210.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4714040E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f49.google.com with SMTP id t11so514996daj.8 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:52:13 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dOfnmhRC+ERJchRBDtA9TcLtQ6/oHRva54rJRd2kIXo=; b=qrhQF22z13qaBjhoga1MMyRKNfkZjjC8qzgsla2oVrHhMWrSedPvQ75Z41tL4j9zrF bJP4P13PEluZN6+m2jJJLdg+jOal02jzXAYR0l7hQ/6xuESuzAZ5cYQ8VH/zNFnsA8sj sjndkyazxd+BluzIGUgrltpdDM/5MAqMdKDxj4yrc8UxqXTaHzUGK+59HmDH5nLAWfvv b3SNblfatJyVPt12mTvEb30D1jt1KYqdZmckIZj1RInepFS14Y55N492ioCnoOQb4Q/4 kYODAuqHUNRGwSHHFUU65+S/XKuGP1s1U8UzYpzRk5MvIwSdFtucJacxuQ0pa2j5xUrz TrCQ== oz5mr37022595pbc.183.1363197133757; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-63-172.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.63.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y1sm11076716pbg.10.2013.03.13.10.52.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:52:07 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1363195157.47538.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My question is, why does it overheat after a long downhill? I could see it overheating after a long uphill. The first thing I would do is check the ignition timing The second thing would be a compression check to look for a blown head gasket The third thing you be to check idle fuel pressure just in case your pressure might be low causing the engine to run lean TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 12:08:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068474054E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F0F4006C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AzvV1l0060S2fkCA164t3j; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:04:53 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B64s1l00B0GAcNo8V64sjE; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:04:52 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1363195157.47538.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:05:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4gDval6XcaYU86SvqIVZ/V6apd0wABPSEA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1363197893; bh=XooxRmspnMmhIe5/fdewl+qOdh0NyZDnWVqCbyFFdzI=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LoAfXzj4P9GsoGv28K5znZ9ZoamRDcLcwOc6LElJBUyT0I3fT3QTQgwUBtY6cGirc CpFzzamox5y2t7jZ+vKcndB9sHkDfpr1ypJ0oeZjqwTejxVPwRKTjDGJcaIIpjINtg jBDV+scQtVPwdpoJ+hxoCJHpDmyQ8Ob4ZBOxXbHNQfAhym2hh1mhyEL08g27dQmUOr hsFHNVOHwu7ossiWmke9jpMcmold+lne8jgdlsBtOoqMa6T0Lpr8xo4i00BY4vncMX i4H5YAPtXY2UsEWdhHzOPnaNWHe+PQUrYpc/z62d9lwQUVMVWiOalc78uAVqwznHfH wA4ir+HzcLS7Q== Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, Don't know the state of your engine, but one thing that made a big difference in my car was removing the petcock at the rear of the engine, cleaning out all the scale inside the block that I could, and then flushing the block. I also don't run more than 20% antifreeze as I've heard from this list that it really isn't very good at cooling. Since you have a puller electric fan, you don't have a mechanical fan which means that you are pretty dependent on that electric fan, so the question is, are you sure it is coming on like it's supposed to? Sorry, don't know why it is overheating on the downhill run. I suppose it has to do with what the RPM's are and how hard the engine is working to slow you down. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:19 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Explain This Overheating So I've begun driving the TR3 to work again. It has been in the 80's during the day in Mojave. It is pretty brisk at 0600 at the mile high elevation that I live at. The temperature gauge in the TR3 has lost the ether and is getting sent in to be rebuilt asap. So yesterday I am driving home. The TR runs like a freight train. I coasted down about 1/2 mile and downhill and stopped outside my garage. While the garage door is opening the car overheats and steam comes out. I topped off the coolant. Later that evening I let my daughter drive the TR with me in the car with her. We are tooling around the hills at low speeds, under 35 mph. We coast down about a mile of downhill and stop at a stop sign. I begin smelling hot coolant again. It is like it is taunting me. My radiator was rebuilt about 12 years ago without a crank hole. I have blocked off the water pump bypass with a brass plug with a 1/8" hole drilled in it to prevent vacuum lock. I have an electric fan (puller, not pusher) that comes on at about 190. Tonight I am going to use a Prestone radiator flush and refill with fresh coolant and distilled water 50/50 mix. With the coolant out I am going to pour water in the top to see how fast it sloshes out the bottom hose hole to see if the radiator appears blocked.. I only use distilled water and coolant in my radiator. Last year I put on a new Moss radiator cap and a new 185 thermostat and put on all new hoses. My question is, why does it overheat after a long downhill? I could see it overheating after a long uphill. Gotta get the temp gauge fixed. I meant to do it when the cold weather arrived. -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 12:17:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3AC40E21 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA8B40321 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B0m31l0070S2fkCAC6FsmJ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:15:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([76.127.105.57]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B6Fr1l00E1EKKmL8V6Fruf; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:15:52 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:15:51 -0700 References: <1e9d3.2e8f403.3e7215e9@cs.com> To: Dave1massey@cs.com s=q20121106; t=1363198552; bh=4/eeTA0BnW6LEXuu7hilDkA9A5fabEO5+5YTNZJKj3o=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=XetGhj2JzregAG4Y/M+PE5fh7t2WREOAchY/XyT+ob+9510JkoOblu+wx5sI8lQbi ozCRwIiUVwLuxYxY2jMiv+dsjIFoiD7tMCoPbFw9kH3gDztsYWV61hXylLz4t1MRY+ ldVIyM05P64R2I8oSdJ+VRrfFLhbVBoB14LYYSzchLalxwzfZD1amL+a6VyIE9Ua9P yfWG+lpv7jn6bjh4h+Z/02YPqNm76d5WPhZhOnOrnc9fSVUUcKA9AXE4n2aub+MPiA c5Z6X2qQfLM6gf7h5vQ7UjXztc4KXpjoKuwEZ9VNTaQIsk0+K4kSIcs53NvrErDGZS DoWKhCmvwgSfQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On a segment of Wheeler Dealers they worked on a TR6, used a Waterless Coolant. Evans NPG+C, said it would never boil, and last forever, I found it on Amazon, but it is VERY EXPENSIVE. I wonder if anyone else has used it. On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > Check your radiator cap. I had an overheating problem in one of my cars > but only at altitude (6,000 ft and higher). The cap was not holding pressure > and I would get boil over even when the car was just at normal operating > temperatures. > > A new cap solved the problem. > > Dave > > In a message dated 3/13/2013 12:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > wsb1960tr3a@att.net writes: >> So I've begun driving the TR3 to work again. It has been in the 80's >> during the day in Mojave. It is pretty brisk at 0600 at the mile high >> elevation that I live at. >> The temperature gauge in the TR3 has lost the >> ether and is getting sent in to be rebuilt asap. >> So yesterday I am >> driving home. The TR runs like a freight train. I coasted down about 1/2 >> mile >> and downhill and stopped outside my garage. While the garage door is >> opening >> the car overheats and steam comes out. >> I topped off the coolant. Later >> that evening I let my daughter drive the TR with me in the car with her. >> We >> are tooling around the hills at low speeds, under 35 mph. We coast down >> about >> a mile of downhill and stop at a stop sign. I begin smelling hot coolant >> again. It is like it is taunting me. >> My radiator was rebuilt about 12 >> years ago without a crank hole. >> I have blocked off the water pump bypass >> with a brass plug with a 1/8" hole drilled in it to prevent vacuum lock. >> >> I have an electric fan (puller, not pusher) that comes on at about 190. >> >> Tonight I am going to use a Prestone radiator flush and refill with fresh >> coolant and distilled water 50/50 mix. >> With the coolant out I am going to >> pour water in the top to see how fast it sloshes out the bottom hose hole >> to >> see if the radiator appears blocked.. >> >> I only use distilled water and >> coolant in my radiator. >> Last year I put on a new Moss radiator cap and a >> new 185 thermostat and put on all new hoses. >> My question is, why does it >> overheat after a long downhill? I could see it overheating after a long >> uphill. >> Gotta get the temp gauge fixed. I meant to do it when the cold >> weather arrived. "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 12:26:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EA84055B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D5940443 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:26:30 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=pTzqZbqM9tkA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=ljxMOXh_870A:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=tI0B4RdkW3gA62qBCyEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:50720] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F1/4C-04559-494C0415; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:25:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:25:30 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 References: <1363195157.47538.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001ce2015$4d9426c0$e8bc7440$@net> Cc: 'Triumphs' , 'William Brewer' Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, Sounds like altitude and pressure is a problem here. Or, your block could be filled with gunk. Try the block flush method suggested a few replies ago. Cant hurt. On all my 3 TRs, they tend to cool when driving down long hills. But I may get up to 1K feet AS at the most. But most of the time, the temp just stays in the middle. I use the stock water pump, and mechanical fans. Last summer in 95 degree heat and high humidity while driving slow in city traffic, the TR4 did go above the middle mark, but as soon as I got to the open road it cooled right down. I am guessing a electrical fan would have helped there. I also use 50/50 blend with distilled H20. I have heard that water wetter helps. I tried it but didnt make the temp go down as far as I could tell. I am interested in knowing what the problem is, so keep us updated. Good luck, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 12:36:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B87F406AE for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814140445 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id l9eMFfcrWfBUO0Sx; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:32:01 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:32:00 -0700 Thread-Topic: Explain This Overheating Thread-Index: Ac4gGQzs1LGd89c/QlG2ZT2yi5Zkpg== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: "'wsb1960tr3a@att.net'" Subject: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Also check the return valve on the bottom of the radiator cap. I had a problem where the TR6 would not overheat, but would blow out coolant. On suggestion from our tech mechanic I checked the return valve on the bottom of the radiator cap. There was a little crap stuck there that kept it open. This meant I basically had an open system. To be clear, the cap has two functions. There is the large seal that closes off the radiator until pressure is reached to push against the spring and open it. But there is also a small valve in the center of that large seal that opens toward the radiator. That's how coolant or air is drawn back into the radiator. If it is held open by some crap stuck there, the system will be open and you will blow steam. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 14:50:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651C2428A6 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA27B42890 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3F0191C00011D for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dsd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.141]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9AF09E000081 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363207475; bh=obZfCtenGEDT4HHB3WnP/nslwGSIQpwKcMqT7JokpqI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zRW3Con8+3xkUBTkHuE0jY2gtwR7ZYsUx/tTXxbhhRFwfNBTfc79PmCZFbGjOwTFA GK5LRzMeK/dZfSio0liOIrGlkS+YTW2yu4ox4mXdn2PgVvOWVjoc9GKUF041A+joG7 Buqoqy4TE+0zhFwcdlC0eynUfj4fzU4HbE3SCUaw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33895140e5323b65 Subject: [TR] Stuck SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi everyone; Does any one have any tips to get the needle out of the piston on an SU? I have removed the needle securing screw, but the needle won't move. Thanks; Tim (TR3A TS22930LO) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 15:00:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2461940547 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD3640435 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=BpxVzDisLNoA:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=cubCUNianj3ppYf-eRQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:37859] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D6/43-04559-788E0415; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:58:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:58:47 +0000 From: Randall To: William Brewer , Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Temperature Gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- William Brewer wrote: > Is there a better gauge out there > to install in a TR3A? I was thinking that maybe there is a gauge with an > electric sending unit that still looks like the TR3 gauge or something. The early (to CT11307, mid-1962) TR4 gauge is electric, but otherwise looks very nearly identical to the TR3 gauge. The style, needle, pivot, glass and bezel are all identical, the only visual difference is that one of the numbers on the face is different. I'd have to go look, but ISTR the TR4 gauge reads to 250F while the TR3 gauge ends at 230F, or something like that. The sender fits the same hole. The downsides are that you'll need to add a voltage stabilizer and a wire to the sender. The gauge doesn't work with the ignition off (obviously) and is kind of slow to respond to changes. I do kind of miss being able to look at the gauge to judge how warm the engine is after stopping somewhere. But the big upside is that the gauge can no longer be damaged by overheating, and should last forever without having to be periodically rebuilt. Overall, I'm quite happy with mine. It also appears to be very accurate; and can be calibrated if necessary without having to disassemble the gauge. (Although adjusting the calibration is a lot easier if you make the little tool for the job.) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 15:16:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E964255E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F7740333 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ljxMOXh_870A:10 a=QlYBQVfOzBjYh12vSfgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:38541] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id A4/85-25887-D4CE0415; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:14:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:14:53 +0000 From: Randall To: William Brewer , Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This may be too obvious for words, but JIC: Are you leaving room in the radiator for water expansion? If you are filling completely full, then it will always expel some water until the level falls. I find that, even with the extension only half full, it will still sometimes expel some more right after shutting down. FWIW, I also had a radiator recored in 1999, with no crank hole and a puller fan. Worked great, right up until that car got wrecked in 2005. But when I moved that setup to my current TR3 in 2010, I started having problems again. The radiator shop had pronounced it "fine" twice, but when I finally insisted that they rod it out, they discovered that all of the tubes had a layer of "mud" on the inside, which was obviously interfering with heat transfer. None of the tubes were totally blocked, and water flow appeared to be sufficient, but it just wouldn't cool the engine. Another recore once again definitely solved the problem. --- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 15:25:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEAB4044A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99185403C7 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=poUEZKXC7AcA:10 a=c08aMR7C3D2w3sESsP4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:38879] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id AF/27-11869-25EE0415; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:23:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:23:30 +0000 From: Randall To: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does any one have any tips to get the needle out of the piston on an SU? I > have removed the needle securing screw, but the needle won't move. At some point, the needle becomes disposable and you can just grab it with vise-grips. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 15:57:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F7440537 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4933A40435 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B34101C00011D for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 58793E00008B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:55:58 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363211758; bh=XQ8jMj559T3jFr1WawsqH8BJUQlQa2arbPiBZUvd4SA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hjG/6ZURKKrl0KXS+7DIba7zF7gKLD3CknNVmL0mzTFWArW7kG51AYWgMG4CWJN0z T11UgoWjMO9WCBXXHz+VX2q3SuAF2dwI2Ir9RQ1s6iwMfO9PMuV0ZntC/ABemMTK1K 79Jglz0XpdLwsxM2d6F670gRtYbjgJF2dHOpkMfk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5140f5ee2099 Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There was discussion about this on the Wedge list and there were a couple of folks interested and somehow justified the cost. But I don't know if anyone has tried it yet. Dave In a message dated 3/13/2013 1:15:53 PM Central Daylight Time, anabil007@comcast.net writes: > On a segment of Wheeler Dealers they worked on a TR6, used a Waterless > Coolant. Evans NPG+C, said it would never boil, and last forever, I found it > on Amazon, but it is VERY EXPENSIVE. I wonder if anyone else has used it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 16:09:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4394A4041D for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D240333 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p43so1472559wea.38 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:06:36 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=xt9aSN5OdLbKhJUPoToGUy/83zh8/WPOQGKySvk/LBI=; b=mqTG0KzfQG/feCWIFRs+iK1xZTNKAApNWAg+NPVVD2jxMhK4sgqvKunZ/Y1CPN9fp3 kvxvDZsKNRdWUO38uq3SVfde3A0SkzE5QC4JtXsWExA9LRs8Jpag9Ic5rf+6zzPUfFWN tNd5822VuPkGiuMCqHUo5PBMcOfrlXGMMPI1hZ3NXtHwHc/7rLQfMxHGEFjYIJi8NDPP mDOODfjqOalpPX+UloGxYSlk2RKkaAE2ZhykWURS0X9MNZlxKaHg2EwvdXZ2McvLWgD5 onFGKBAuvKDYe7M+BUc4CMp5BD1rQl7YpG+i9GXVbIp3oDr9lNUR4C9CXqDZXI4y49aq Q5jw== eq5mr37158098wjd.52.1363212396262; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.15.73 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:06:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <4164f.26072280.3e724fed@cs.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:06:16 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We talked about waterless coolants here a few months ago as well, if my memory isn't completely gone. We talked at length about how boiling point is *not* heat capacity, and although the glycol-based waterless coolants have high boiling point they have something like only 60% of the heat capacity of water. We talked that if wanting to ensure the coolant's boiling point was well above that of pure water there were probably other issues with that ought to be taken care of first with an old Triumph. There's a lot of buzz now, most of it generated by Evans, but the basic heat transfer principles don't have me convinced. It seems to me that these waterless coolants are kind of a fad. The pendulum swings. I'm running a lot higher water level in my coolant mix than I've used in years past because planning for -20 F and below here in St. Louis isn't that important (most of our winters) and giving my TR3B every chance to dump heat into the coolant is more important to me. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:55 PM, wrote: > There was discussion about this on the Wedge list and there were a couple > of folks interested and somehow justified the cost. But I don't know if > anyone has tried it yet. > > Dave > > In a message dated 3/13/2013 1:15:53 PM Central Daylight Time, > anabil007@comcast.net writes: > > On a segment of Wheeler Dealers they worked on a TR6, used a Waterless > > Coolant. Evans NPG+C, said it would never boil, and last forever, I > found it > > on Amazon, but it is VERY EXPENSIVE. I wonder if anyone else has used it. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 16:35:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A5140E45 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9981940427 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BAaf1l00B5SgtPc01AafaD; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:34:40 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <4164f.26072280.3e724fed@cs.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:04:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net that's last forever, until a hose or ?? goes, and all that $$$ is on the pavement. I just don't see it -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:55 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating There was discussion about this on the Wedge list and there were a couple of folks interested and somehow justified the cost. But I don't know if anyone has tried it yet. Dave In a message dated 3/13/2013 1:15:53 PM Central Daylight Time, anabil007@comcast.net writes: > On a segment of Wheeler Dealers they worked on a TR6, used a Waterless > Coolant. Evans NPG+C, said it would never boil, and last forever, I found > it > on Amazon, but it is VERY EXPENSIVE. I wonder if anyone else has used it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 17:01:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FE14255C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF81340435 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ljxMOXh_870A:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=2DfzsB03nqYpn3Yu4hMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:43244] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 5D/05-06772-CD401415; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:59:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:59:40 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave1massey@cs.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > There was discussion about this on the Wedge list and there were a couple > of folks interested and somehow justified the cost. But I don't know if > anyone has tried it yet. FWIW, I tried something similar many years ago. Not the same blend as the Evans coolant (which is supposedly a mix of ethylene and propylene glycol), but rather straight ethylene glycol. As predicted, the engine ran much hotter than usual, so hot in fact that it broke the temperature gauge, but did not boil over. Seemed like an end to its perpetual overheating problems and it ran really well otherwise. Until about a year later, when most of #2 cylinder went out the exhaust pipe! Dad said it looked like a "cloud of engine parts chasing him down the highway". The high heat (and I later learned lean mixture) had apparently allowed an exhaust valve stem to erode until it broke, letting the valve head loose in the cylinder. (Poor materials may have played a role as well.) The valve head broke the piston into bits, then the flailing rod pounded its way through the liner. The rod didn't break, but wound up bent by 20 or 30 degrees. The largest piece of piston I found was no bigger than a dime. For some odd reason, I'm not tempted to repeat the experiment. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 17:06:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197A34069A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAB740435 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BBE541C0000BC; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8DA22E000088; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT) To: dave@ranteer.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363215913; bh=8Yjcu4wP6eUnr3w6bmQHVk0iN+Qx4nPdGZkL9BKSNm4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ANqZikMWiDMDKDvSBqLpy0CBOs5sMiAxSLsSks/bT37B91lII+kbmHTEknmItxo5c GjV4nsI62zQR+nyWPizpmphCtU8RHIaYtsqmpd+VOapCYCENGhsWemC7lwaXOfFhKL ne65NoIXduQ2axFPHzoUSP+L2+yj/9ZBkx7VQfKI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c514106294717 Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's the way I see it. And even if you replace all you hoses, how do you know that that one, special molded heater hose is not defective. I've found that TR's have perfectly adequate cooling systems (not great but adequate) and if you have overheating problems it is because something is amiss. Fix it. Just my opinion. Dave In a message dated 3/13/2013 5:34:49 PM Central Daylight Time, dave@ranteer.com writes: > that's last forever, until a hose or ?? goes, and all that $$$ is on the > pavement. I just don't see it ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 18:03:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053AC428B4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B724289E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.254.47.110]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJM000MNIR514R1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:01:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: , References: <20130313212330.B9C62.63653.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:01:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try soaking in mystery oil or similar. If it still doesn't budge, Randall has a good point. Just be careful to get all of the needle out and don't damage the piston. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:23 PM To: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck SU needle > Does any one have any tips to get the needle out of the piston on an SU? I > have removed the needle securing screw, but the needle won't move. At some point, the needle becomes disposable and you can just grab it with vise-grips. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 18:28:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9524255C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1559A4052E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ljxMOXh_870A:10 a=-fspLD0AD_5EyoaAYK0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:47445] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 09/A5-25887-5A811415; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:24:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:24:05 -0700 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I've found that TR's have perfectly adequate cooling systems (not great but > adequate) and if you have overheating problems it is because something is > amiss. Fix it. I tend to agree, but I am curious: Does anyone with a totally stock cooling system on their TR3 not have trouble with the temperature creeping up on a hot day stuck in stop-and-go traffic? I initially installed the stock fan and radiator on TS13571L (except the radiator had no crank hole, so I'm assuming the previous owner had it recored). It worked great under most conditions, but coming home from TRfest 2009 I found a big traffic jam where we averaged under 20 mph for roughly 40 miles. (Yes, that's over 2 hours stuck in traffic.) The gauge kept slowly creeping up, until I started shutting the engine off every chance I could, to keep the heat down. That was when I determined to go back to the electric fan I had used on the previous TR3A. Even the factory started supplying the almost legendary "tropical" fan to overcome this problem, so I have to think it is 'normal'. Later TRs of course had much more aggressive fans (and a popular fix for the TR3 is to fit a TR6 fan). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 18:44:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A50B428A2 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4040C40519 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BCMX1l0081afHeLA7CjgLy; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:43:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([76.127.105.57]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BCjf1l00E1EKKmL8dCjfTS; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:43:40 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:42:54 -0700 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20121106; t=1363221820; bh=NsezM5a6w++aeEWzGKk+BA2zfQmyYAWkAvqH1eOk/0Q=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Subject:From:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=GMJTRq0o9dOg4R3yl5kr7mjc19M/qke0fjVZZJDkxcg3HYoMPRrhFse94VP/jt4Ao rmuoTPVP+YdvB5lK35QxQWZQTRzAeLKMjbGMOS605y2PF+k+L76TZKGT/ct3LCD2h5 s7tRLImLzWJE5o8UyXQqF6KFU6dRt1hXb/2jfi0gPg0FoucIh0W69ymmlpwDGhUFvB 5B/DB41Oee0bHKIWXR1bxITd+hUfbUEfHPkE04G45iiblm2GV+ReaeNKHWDWFHJ2uP v7paZoJvK56zei/YUKtNtlpwfeFox5L40URdWvXkdoZ7ZzT2xrVjGDZJOuzrR82r4b cr46G7dYcf8Ow== Subject: [TR] TR3 cooling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I solved the TR3 problem by simply adding a overflow / return bottle. My "formula" came from FRED one gallon Prestone, one bottle Redline water wetter, one bottle NoRoison, jack up front until radiator cap higher than head, add purified water, run engine till all bubbles gone. Fill up until water is only up to 1/2 of the long neck. Puller fan, with secondary manual switch, never goes over 190F Bill Pugh Wallace, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 19:22:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454344053D for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84F24052E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 15so1356024vea.0 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Gd1CSsGkxMMSuH+0VCqv139rgaMZE3FBq4YzJUU8qQ4=; b=vYRtpFKAoFkT7IM7T8rx7g34JnBZpAn3akz2nstAIzhdHtJaFah/gaZlf92ZYEppeZ Bn6SVnJj7LpJS5KzrhpsMjeqKJYX/GGmyWVPmYLDJr0GBF80iqEiBUhYj1e3P2rx24DP CaaQeFzZw6kCpZ58nWJjk6rIZxKzxSxG8yujKzPqaTWCUZA/iioou+1dnrLYfQBDPtgl uQWJmvlhMHFVGkaszjljZSkVeQOa/cTXLlxfTjtTiZB9JDeuCu6C+uDL95DcFpGMzS0i couS8pX68MjKpDZJZH4NC+3H9kUo4oUyx4AzRZAHXcKg2mO9ZeRWAeZmsNZvTW2HyRfZ 3kyg== ca2mr179732vdc.109.1363224059860; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.129 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <6287a.4d53fad1.3e726029@cs.com> <20130314002405.CM4Q4.64997.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:20:59 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Explain This Overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Randall wrote: > ... I am curious: Does anyone with a totally stock cooling system on their > TR3 not have trouble with the temperature creeping up on a hot day stuck in > stop-and-go traffic? Mine seems to handle stop & go w/o overheating or even getting worrisomely high on the gauge. That is with a crank hole but it is a nearly new core and a tropical fan. I used to have an electric 'helper' fan but ditched it when I added the tropical fan as that seemed enough help. That said -- have not tried 40 miles in 2 hours -- not a situation that is likely to arise in little Tucson. I do often drive from 100+ on the valley floor to 9000' in 24 miles or so -- but I can keep moving which makes all the difference. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 19:53:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF84428A6 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BAC40443 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BBgC1l0010mv7h054DsNqD; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 01:52:22 +0000 Received: from [10.236.141.132] ([174.225.17.44]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BDsA1l00N0x30PA3XDsDrT; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 01:52:20 +0000 To: Dave1massey@cs.com,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:52:18 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1363225942; bh=x8xEFtDWx6/c2QPdK5iLhp4B1xs5Bo+pFC5IMgopu6k=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U09ZMb7LmlD8QaVAUfEI2cBE+VHbeQXwpC7KeP+MzKmQEdCb7dNjxNSP8Ak8Xiw5v 0mh90D6GDLJZB6SyIQjYc016Gh/Zxon2zRMz1F//8EA0aQuXmGeQiG1Rz5QsXnLOGm B40RknRPy30UX/wCQoTpFZZatiP6/+bYxUc6InwYyT16NkE2xokRzdbqQK60k7XXdM o+9v3LRGEQZ+gWVeBptAx3lRVyOo7G6pLgi1r2hTlJpyeck3Vvk3AmKaANheeehaa9 nAFW2UIMEomT7ZOikUt/6guTVJuL+AvfHCu1Ct7dRkfJbMomrmA5YcDkuPoAlHTowW WiJMCE3/gntlw== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Explain_This_Overheating?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have used it extensively. Follow the directions, and forget boilovers forever. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com To: Subject: [TR] Explain This Overheating Date: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 16:55 There was discussion about this on the Wedge list and there were a couple of folks interested and somehow justified the cost. But I don't know if anyone has tried it yet. Dave In a message dated 3/13/2013 1:15:53 PM Central Daylight Time, anabil007@comcast.net writes: > On a segment of Wheeler Dealers they worked on a TR6, used a Waterless > Coolant. Evans NPG+C, said it would never boil, and last forever, I found it > on Amazon, but it is VERY EXPENSIVE. I wonder if anyone else has used it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 14 20:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAAE40520 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8704040D for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D03A13FC for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:49:35 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: Triumphs References: <64C5D094AD3549B38B49AD1A3038917F@HomePC> Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] Weber 42 DCOE for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know it is only one, but 42s are the carbs of choice for the TR2-4, maybe someone would be interested in this. mjb. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Mgs] Weber 42 DCOE for sale Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:19:22 -0500 From: Larry Daniels To: MG List , I have a brand new Weber 42 DCOE sidedraft carb for sale. My plans have changed and I no longer have the car I was going to put it on. Asking $275 OBO. Larry Daniels _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mark@bradakis.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 15 23:00:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E57B42D8C for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5DE42D7A for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 04:58:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.175] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 04:58:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 04:58:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 49480 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2013 04:58:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363409935; bh=g7LCkzxdtVubiI7Y1XruXe9xYzbINQMjKZu3fv032t0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w05YFcLGoKVNgcERSthawvyhTrIhvn4LkhYyD38fVJxcvy9r3qKEfWgU7accMBXlh9RVEAX5S5ltjMMhWM3EXiI4RYDv67yuD7rVZkXOgUQw9TelAopRwP+sK57iJ+zDt97BB2+PZcxnG6iRn52XSzG21tgDAaM9UT7700JCtFo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n2LaKhJJzW/+t/dEkJoo9JmxDAUH33J8Ejp6U8zM35Og/u/037ASvbuxFXI+Ip62rVARIJvF+pD9s5H22uA3rrIfk1RmmBH2S6Qy12HOl/0L5Il9vTeDw0kNpyp158txKemOtGGidSBFSvENJojYvqkZlvifEjMKJJNN4ANf3HY=; TVPNmYZmrO.OagiOprI30C8wmQy3YQfNp1eNUNa3xk9CHRi_pYXPsIOL77Pb s9YHD6kJ90O3jcth1WCQhm51NoL0Fid3EYvR2.4NvxspD.Fb38p0Ckmqd4GG TdgHYuVIZc4HHBJAJPd2IyKz73P39EpTF4pGIIMIV60htC74q9bjUZPfbEsE 1z727_TQjWxoePh97lsilJ4XmP5IUTqp3.WleuyAGACHs.W_eLbSA07ScjUe IlIzVfYG0R2l1MqdG8STl3XwNleZzxwVvohDAr3bF7xCPAYB54JDxSJOXDxR NVwSME7O3m76SYRhFAAUBWaT.1i3N_.NtpuIgtCUb56XVg13wvXIbprI9aev RdXftVCUPnz2kwTVjjH0hKhBJjtlKkTJG8c6nkHm6Sjej1mkHzB9aQ2Y- Received: from [98.112.193.78] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:58:55 PDT wqAKYW0gSSByaWdodCBpbiByZWNhbGxpbmcgdGhlIGZ1ZWwgbGluZSBvbGl2ZSBhdCB0aGUgZnVlbCBwdW1wIGlzIGRpZmZlcmVudCBmcm9tIHRoZSBBbWVyaWNhbiBwbHVtYmluZyBmaXh0dXJlPwp0aGFua3MKZnJhbmsBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 fuel line olive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net am I right in recalling the fuel line olive at the fuel pump is different from the American plumbing fixture? thanks frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 00:04:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B866042DFA for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC2A42DE6 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:04:22 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=hUsrSjSUStIA:10 a=Zal9u0kUAAAA:20 a=vut0dxlmAAAA:20 a=ajUM9QdTAAAA:20 a=oAHYWGu5p9br-yJ-GoQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=45VrrNP8I6EA:10 a=xQBZ0W8zZ-kA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55010] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0D/76-04559-71B04415; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 06:03:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Frank Fisher'" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:03:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4iAxYFroSqnDQFTL+csSxzqT4kagAB/0rw Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel line olive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > am I right in recalling the fuel line olive at the fuel pump > is different from the American plumbing fixture? Yes. Here is one solution http://goo.gl/7JKpN What I did was to machine a new nut, with longer threads and a blank section at the tip so it would reach into the pump casting enough to compress a standard olive, kind of like this: http://goo.gl/ky2if -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 07:17:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E0643069 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455DA4305B for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EBE8C38000112 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C3712E000085 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:15:03 -0400 (EDT) References: <0D.76.04559.71B04415@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.172) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:15:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:15:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363439703; bh=LmpmwslzTpThk3sKM7wqr0aB6LnPskewDC8T4196KwI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JhZtKU4okzd5/0eFXUcZ0YOw7lojyZOLuwAZmJdIImmVpn0CfU64/gl+X0MIgdlOi 2S+WxvR4V4ZE8qkOvNeFAvpGg++pAmAQ4TUyNGuVe+V6TK9gmrLoEOrnwqpXcz39eu z4fH7nmbG/FKJsDKdBQ1gcI6yWhhfBPVDr05VgQY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b514470576786 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel line olive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The posting does not say what that dimension should be. Is that number handy? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Randall Here is one solution http://goo.gl/7JKpN ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 08:34:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B8D42DE1 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473A64006E for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 14:32:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.229] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 14:32:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 14:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 33157 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2013 14:32:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363444354; bh=3ip2E7DVYR6/fMC7oiy9mh2b7mhdUQ+lvnLwCnV6q6g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uYGh5wbbZp24rWgoIYaMsElRx3ebtr1y9XnZ0rkMmEIqyygeF3ON2su8xDiHUEYHErnCJFylIyz/aXmyNjZEsMGDr5oMaMKN9MW8yQVEEHDcwOLI84UvuziBPuR0vq/DOZbW7dnghCb4+VZvw7sTmaRWPeEYlhCHeRSKSpSQg7g= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HDiXNIECZ2ctIkiyeu67Qsl4YvNjIMgpht14unal3aHoy7RZYSKM7zPMGQa3pb8DcywUCmHVduHJx0oA1YmXWvdM5V46so84iZfb/+aVEISi1hsrYG0GYppJiiul7fexTpLsIL/xIwZ+NFj1YFhkHMjOf0UQh9ekhWO0H69+gDM=; ZnRMnLKuhfoK7GbKOO0OuqTd8EzuwcrPiAPkqT..ikfv3FUhhQ8wQkVeCEKf 6mv._yocqoQNuGy1ShXhb8Xs_5kS9Oyicmssr0cvzz14oR9MlwX3xbCyjo.R r0V35oCfvIEwJNIsxT0UbShILVQyUDy4oeuyOF3My0ViEL4R7MMuZfeRRvcz 0jPtBVzRnhAUV4I4Qh2ols3D7rRICCN5ds49tyrcrJoWKxAjMZ.F7GZ4Mu5_ 4jxHyrwDzzIXyDXEnKy5aPoOOe9.mkwJ4uhBYJfKm3Dgqh6AQJJF1Ab09VRU oK6vgqokU8IUZtNFTH_kl979knGaI7w86wOVD.Xx_YqDQoaQNihqDniUKGiH iwPt0YxdJMf20e1NpvijCZIEJ.nsH8bXQEpJkb4LSk_vNxIATB_zeDnLT.XR KjRoUIlMWm.uasZfCm2wmnXk.8q6I8fMf7R3xgoeq3xVy2nVwoBT5 Received: from [72.45.201.74] by web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:32:34 PDT SGkgTGlzdCEKSW4gZGlnZXN0IDY6OTQgUmFuZGFsbCB3cm90ZToKSSBpbml0aWFsbHkgaW5zdGFsbGVkIHRoZSBzdG9jayBmYW4gYW5kIHJhZGlhdG9yIG9uIFRTMTM1NzFMIChleGNlcHQgdGhlIHJhZGlhdG9yIGhhZCBubyBjcmFuayBob2xlLCBzbyBJJ20gYXNzdW1pbmcgdGhlIHByZXZpb3VzIG93bmVyIGhhZCBpdCByZWNvcmRlZCkuICBJdCB3b3JrZWQgZ3JlYXQgdW5kZXIgbW9zdCBjb25kaXRpb25zLCBidXQgY29taW5nIGhvbWUgZnJvbSBUUmZlc3QgMjAwOSBJIGZvdW5kIGEgYmlnIHRyYWZmaWMgamEBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Over heating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! In digest 6:94 Randall wrote: I initially installed the stock fan and radiator on TS13571L (except the radiator had no crank hole, so I'm assuming the previous owner had it recorded). It worked great under most conditions, but coming home from TRfest 2009 I found a big traffic jam where we averaged under 20 mph for roughly 40 miles. (Yes, that's over 2 hours stuck in traffic.) The gauge kept slowly creeping up, until I started shutting the engine off every chance I could, to keep the heat down. That was when I determined to go back to the electric fan I had used on the previous TR3A. ---------------------------- I was told that shutting the engine off & then starting it up to move, to keep the heat down would INCREASE the chance of over heating because starting the engine causes more heat. Now I don't understand why, but that's what I was told (not saying that I believe that). Can any explain WHY this might happen? -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 08:43:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAF942E9B for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5149540356 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 14:41:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363444878; bh=MyOxkRRPfPg4D2ZBjpN1REuQMjdyE69eHtFQUt2hiEg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=mvWZftZFz3VDJrmq3yYdokyaE4EESLmHYvZzifU8+CQ5L3WAIfveR/cdOCn5h0Fr/ENhknM16KCVdua0PxNoN0CGlSEqR+OI3ebFE0BxG099HLY415Ei9GpXEgzYrJXLeZVZ/jhuuC6wZur9VpYw/y5Z7cJwoSP9c5ngT30iCAE= gegepyLJ4tbhbCP5FbpuSiSW8busY56vqkuM8cnyWXHEurLVFH9JzjxkZw2U jSTAbEGvUjHir0StU5ukP4nC.PamlkPTGzzWlZfAVUG0MoCZ9JYjZl6Zt75R xGiXyqqf6iyAVh5I_eWfhr0wBFSNrs5HHYGDozmp1mutyBqoS0_qFXupALry erLrnknnSWD4YlDUXOUKZ2JUW0l89HgvLTPjkbYRJsuf.0PlDdDIgZN4U0bD vXJEQcyzcdjpjc0C3fk_yC.X1khPUOMq.D9s58patr.e2EMGCxc53oWeFTZ_ 7MiQ11F9vRj5AARwC3f1O0BuqeroLTWhKTIOwqgYHEzzMb48.z0Z0ZNlDbs9 n1P.1HfmOebJORiKBwVZdaphrX6PSLPzmy9pehfVlAWRUC6nP.1DV7XdLPUp fZtNORcCx7fd_PrIlVDfiH48mDEUGC__rdvgDW5dcU0hJxexUGI8NwcogKiI WLXPZ.crRRSO7ZPh1 Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 07:41:18 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Cosmo Kramer'" , References: <1363444354.89764.YahooMailNeo@web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:41:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4iU0xqTdXo6HQ5Tvuc9J7gb7CtWwAAIwvQ Subject: Re: [TR] Over heating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Starting the engine does not cause the overheating, stopping it does. When you shut an engine down the heat it still there but the coolant flow is halted. Ergo, the heat will continue to build until it can naturally dissapate. I have not been in any heavy traffic with my stock TR3 but parades have that same effect, so I will just depress the clutch and rev the motor a little 1500-2000rpm when I can to increase the coolant flow. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cosmo Kramer Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:33 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Over heating Hi List! In digest 6:94 Randall wrote: I initially installed the stock fan and radiator on TS13571L (except the radiator had no crank hole, so I'm assuming the previous owner had it recorded). It worked great under most conditions, but coming home from TRfest 2009 I found a big traffic jam where we averaged under 20 mph for roughly 40 miles. (Yes, that's over 2 hours stuck in traffic.) The gauge kept slowly creeping up, until I started shutting the engine off every chance I could, to keep the heat down. That was when I determined to go back to the electric fan I had used on the previous TR3A. ---------------------------- I was told that shutting the engine off & then starting it up to move, to keep the heat down would INCREASE the chance of over heating because starting the engine causes more heat. Now I don't understand why, but that's what I was told (not saying that I believe that). Can any explain WHY this might happen? -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 09:09:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BF84306C for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FBE4305D for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:09:02 -0600 (MDT) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=sq_wdftyYn0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=NoKEo737OPXhnU1UUoIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:53586] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 10/26-25887-DBA84415; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:07:42 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Cosmo Kramer" , References: <1363444354.89764.YahooMailNeo@web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:07:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Over heating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may have misunderstood the comment. When you turn the engine off there is no flow of coolant but no heat being generated either. The heat generated when running will build for a while and then start to cool down naturally if engine is off long enough. By starting and stopping engine in heavy traffic you are generating less heat overall and the flow of cooler coolant from the radiator will bring the engine temp down pretty quickly. So shutting the engine off and starting does not generate more heat and cause overheating. If you have an electric fan and can run it during engine shutdown that will cool the water in the radiator and allow even quicker cool down when you start the engine again. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Cosmo Kramer Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:32 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Over heating Hi List! In digest 6:94 Randall wrote: I initially installed the stock fan and radiator on TS13571L (except the radiator had no crank hole, so I'm assuming the previous owner had it recorded). It worked great under most conditions, but coming home from TRfest 2009 I found a big traffic jam where we averaged under 20 mph for roughly 40 miles. (Yes, that's over 2 hours stuck in traffic.) The gauge kept slowly creeping up, until I started shutting the engine off every chance I could, to keep the heat down. That was when I determined to go back to the electric fan I had used on the previous TR3A. ---------------------------- I was told that shutting the engine off & then starting it up to move, to keep the heat down would INCREASE the chance of over heating because starting the engine causes more heat. Now I don't understand why, but that's what I was told (not saying that I believe that). Can any explain WHY this might happen? -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 10:20:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A900B43118 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF04430AB for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:19:23 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=sq_wdftyYn0A:10 a=pdX_o65aeqSzgPG47WEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0F/92-06772-A3B94415; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:18:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:18:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4iUzzr5pVlpSbJSraNTkSWgX4h8wAC5tYA Subject: Re: [TR] Over heating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I was told that shutting the engine off & then starting it > up to move, to keep the heat down would INCREASE the chance > of over heating because starting the engine causes more heat. > Now I don't understand why, but that's what I was told (not > saying that I believe that). Stopping the engine after it has been working hard (for example driving at normal freeway speeds) can cause the coolant temperature to rise. The metal of the engine is hotter than the coolant, and once the engine is shut off, the heat doesn't get moved to the radiator. So the coolant temperature goes up as heat moves from the metal into the coolant. Starting does not generate any extra heat, except of course that the engine generates some heat whenever it is running. But in my case, the engine was not working hard at all. I use very little throttle even when traffic starts to move. So "heat soak" (as the above effect is called) was not an issue. And the brief periods with the engine not running reduced the overall amount of heat produced. I was able to not only stop the slow rise of the temperature gauge, but get it to come back down some. Revving the engine up as Bill suggested did not seem to help at all (probably has something to do with the extra heat generated by revving the engine up). Your mileage may vary and all that. But I've used my technique many times over the years and it does work. I even once drove a few months in Indiana summer (with a previous TR3A) with no radiator fan at all; just by turning the engine off every time I knew I was going to stop (coming up to a stop sign or seeing the light turn yellow). Now with the electric fan, it's simply not an issue. The needle goes to 185 and stays there, even in heavy traffic. Coming home from work last night was just a smallish traffic jam, but I'd guess it took 30 minutes to cover 9 miles and the gauge never even reached the '5' in '185'. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 11:45:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667AA43152 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548D842F32 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.7] helo=mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UGv9L-0004WC-48 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:44:07 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UGv9K-0006sf-E9; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:44:06 -0400 Received: from webmail11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.11]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id CHk61l00F0EKF3e01Hk6BC; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:44:06 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=hUsrSjSUStIA:10 a=fANL0twfDTcpd0rhFsQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=PV6eJC_bDql3ESQ6:21 a=ZR_Iuwi6m3TiXoxa:21 a=Ndu5mMaA1Y8XCUuBqOSqgg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UGv7j-0000BF-Hu; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:42:27 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:42:27 -0400 References: <0D.76.04559.71B04415@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8CFF05F677BC17B-1E3C-A9FD@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:42:27 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Dave Massey" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel line olive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > ----> The posting does not say what that dimension should be. Is that number handy? ----- The ferrule is the same size as one for 5/16 tubing, but it has a 1/4 inch hole for the fuel line tubing. The tubing nut is also the same thread size as a 5/16 tubing nut. Greg G. Osseo, MN ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 12:22:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871B84315D for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5F7430D4 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:20:26 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=8HDj9LJPDHsA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=jXszrLYIgZcA:10 a=bOyx84appnqFJu_CzHYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lWLdHVCxIRIUuEvBXmMA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=cAOY2LF_pySvoMkj:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50022] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 09/83-07167-997B4415; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:19:05 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:21:21 -0400 Subject: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning/restoring my radiator overflow bottle? I might also add that I have the original windshield washer fluid bottle and would really like to use that too. The radiator overflow bottle looks like it has the usual rust and coolant residue inside it so I was kind of leaning towards trying CLR or something like that.. I already zinc plated the two original mounting brackets, now the original bottles REALLY look crappy... Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse..net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 12:33:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344C743162 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0EE42B87 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0E9DB1C000087 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhd004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.68]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CD94DE000081 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 69.195.54.111 by Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:31:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363458707; bh=YOcjWiQAoIyyPsZiVkbQ3aHJ9FYIfXavdfOpoQvk/ik=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y1rnTJm619YS3o8gmFfRuILa/+4n3B0LyKc4Vc+qnPDIVvHwAbl1ya5wOJTz/VnGw RQWeBYOXE21ff9Wnm9gDmwE0+/dFTRQNwl78b2c7GAeepNIh0B9J92uQLZuNJVGI+R DwmK9Xr95Y8Dv7ZEe/NPK9v2sLZuiPy8yeGdRNyI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5144ba924c3b Subject: Re: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Automatic dishwashing detergents often help brighten those up quite a bit; same with master cylinder reservoirs. Probably best not to run them through the diswasher along with the good dinnerware, though.... ;) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle List, Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning/restoring my radiator overflow bottle? I might also add that I have the original windshield washer fluid bottle and would really like to use that too. The radiator overflow bottle looks like it has the usual rust and coolant residue inside it so I was kind of leaning towards trying CLR or something like that.. I already zinc plated the two original mounting brackets, now the original bottles REALLY look crappy... Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse..net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/zoboherald@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 12:45:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E5C4315A for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BCB430C9 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id dr13so4070343wgb.14 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e9xlBG+gUEyKQVyStSDwBt4abAYqpoJac6TtK4lcGmw=; b=pi5rv43Gp6L8eEzj82YQoT4YySq4q8GLS5Rz1Oz5wPTxcRpQ4UIPmg7CU8xgfyizD6 IzrB8QIh9SyAo+F52m++EXfEg/ki9+6izZwLm5mnyzG3ukzPy+4Y7i9QOPd2F2Vd98sT ShzNepIVJVAKBqtuHA8lLBIHLEhBQCOtEYSa1y5Z965Y13VYC3+qb5/CHSW/QKE/kr4n O/iKwp6PW/D7cXlC5878HV+gQXQODirlxHEnu4VpuyEND6r5XyQ2Mm2CnuCXsWXOfLde dbZuqejdz9/MYfc6RLSjFV+qsgOkbu37tWuoow185tn+Jg6ZwbtS/ppVD7qHaOtUKuwW KoPA== ez9mr9149655wib.3.1363459417803; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.15.73 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:43:37 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One of the strongest cleaners I know is "SuperClean", a liquid degreaser that comes in a purple bottle in any auto parts store and some big-box stores. Polyphosphate based detergent, IIRC. The stuff is strong. It's a very good degreaser. Good for reblackening oxidized hard rubber. Hard on some materials and finishes so use with caution. It does the best of any material I've found on old plastics. It's what I'd try. Did I say it's strong? Remember to tet it in any unknown finish, including some platings. Can be used diluted, too. I'm experimenting with Evapo-Rust rust remover right now. This stuff is kind of interesting. super on ferrous metals. Dunno about stains on plastic, but might be worth checking. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On 3/16/13, Dave Connitt wrote: > List, > Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning/restoring my radiator overflow > bottle? I might also add that I have the original windshield washer fluid > bottle and would really like to use that too. The radiator overflow bottle > looks like it has the usual rust and coolant residue inside it so I was > kind > of leaning towards trying CLR or something like that.. > I already zinc plated the two original mounting brackets, now the original > bottles REALLY look crappy... > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse..net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 12:47:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3AA4315E for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F740430C9 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:47:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id ht11so2046405vcb.13 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:45:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xt876q2RIkMZyIXJ9VDSvNYtLIQK/eUtMI6LYx07gFM=; b=XH+0TWN/HJPzAmvp0S4MDoj9bwLbdoPLVzztw8zLMoBLA9G1nnX5OWv4ETrjyqH3Qa +Mw2EFvfUATn68VDAJZzsHuAJIQd1Bt/bZQKvuCOJD9oq0Osv6PzuqKF+RNmOtmfV0Qm mRF0Hxa2luvGc9i7U+9wayDr6SzRhDQvcEy40qf2uEDEGZeDBUceQjWNEM0jjUMCWGcD YHvu3fpJZGujv7QMFUNXGWWIaoW0fckGL8jA+eRJY5RANcFIZlkmYjUgy58B9Ol89PS9 p22RhqWpZdjuXwF3K98aGSZzHgtLDVOHlngyGppDwQwjJbdcwFcAAcQ70dHZQ2iT/ec4 igtA== em1mr10943864vdb.48.1363459554936; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.129 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:45:54 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:45:54 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have used Soft Scrub with some success on such bottles -- though some of the staining may be really in the plastic rather than on the surface and that you may have to live with or replace Geo On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > List, > Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning/restoring my radiator overflow > bottle? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 14:41:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDA3431AA for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9424D43197 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id t57so3912672wey.41 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:39:53 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-proxyuser-ip:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=p4h7rAtOUM43qdIDIW38fh3rf0L6XSA0j5P4Jjrbuzc=; b=UCz9A64PltIuIMyrRSz2gXjxzTI1rBt4wCfJHN9RDEbd58Lfkvk1wERXnxob4bPELq rJdIxko+JIuQobtGO6UdH8tEwHsQ6tAVJpmNfNXG0V6FSq3QvcErGwF+w3KVP6SkwXM/ MnaP4DHQhrcPciG8YNuQZ6ht2VkQvob7Slup98WwkNAn0ohmIDmJM6bPpOfNEA2+64rX 1Uj5QJM94Iq0AOkWDx/EoeQc/Q2KcU4kI28dNRZ19NHRijwlY5GxpGdAzz1im7Q+uq3M j4nKQpNOuIPubyehbwaB6/Y6wBPqo56L3WfhQSL+LvQxdkdDCtyP4SvYRHpntf4Amx6U HDdA== cl1mr9302477wib.19.1363466393783; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eo1sm5046530wib.8.2013.03.16.13.39.50 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([86.31.7.102]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:39:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dixie4" To: "Dave Connitt" , References: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:41:29 -0000 Subject: Re: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, It may sound too simple but a complete submersion in cheapo household bleach for 48 hours worked for me. After treatment I noticed that the rad expansion bottle was slightly yellowed on the outside. A very light sanding on the outside with fine wet/dry paper worked perfectly. Bright white is for repro bottles only, the original ones were always an off white slightly creamy colour. Oh! and by the way pour the bleach back in the bottle and use down the toilet in the normal way. That is real recycling. Regards, Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Connitt" To: Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:21 PM Subject: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle > List, > Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning/restoring my radiator > overflow > bottle? I might also add that I have the original windshield washer fluid > bottle and would really like to use that too. The radiator overflow bottle > looks like it has the usual rust and coolant residue inside it so I was > kind > of leaning towards trying CLR or something like that.. > I already zinc plated the two original mounting brackets, now the original > bottles REALLY look crappy... > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse..net/davestr4a > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6180 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 18:01:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732C0431E0 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292D5431D7 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:00:43 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1363478357; x=1364083157; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=DwEfg+H6RJsfae7KKyBocpSkyyAck0xgPUMYkUaR/Bc=; b=Je3 oLlJxDwJt2CHyryTrCzMg4s6NXR55HhoY1xnHv0Y+erSaE/0NFpRcZiRSyU46vmb FYSLE9CWOkTzdKUh+DpCbjrPY9Q0LNeATyvRTR9RuhCn1a60EG+nZUoo1jQ5sHug pFH29pO6EZ7RLPnBuKXxuleLg9oTuSW3nqeVxkp8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=lmwFBAA+lTi6sb26bprS1m7xuVJtpG7tqd5ou1BCg1aWoKm1GPlWITPSqbJ1 JtRBwDOp12gv06/cKU5MSeRBT5FPUrg7Qfz4EqzC+5JTHeVgLE5LBR7Pk 0fx5bnVfYUReNnEEmH6HDZ9yg9dueMLb3pubxT0og3NScj9GWXWroQ=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.4) with ESMTP id 03-md50000130291.msg for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:59:16 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:00:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A long time back I fitted my 1972 TR6 with a Crane Cams XR700 opto-electronic ignition. It made starting much easier and being a gadget-guy I liked the principle of the thing. No complaints. My car has had a rather irregular idle forever. It's got a slightly warmed cam, triple Strombergs and a Falcon SS exhaust fed by a 6:1 header. I replaced the distributor's vacuum retard and that brought down the idle speed a great deal, but it is still lopey/rough. I recall that the reason I put in the CC ignition was to help with the idle, but it didn't. Despite all sorts of valve adjustment, professional carb rebuilding etc, the uneven idle persists. It was this way before the carbs and roller rockers were put in. Nothing seems to affect it. The car drives very well and has very good power through the rev range. The question: I had thought that removing the points would have made any looseness in the distributor shaft irrelevant. Was I wrong? Would having the distributor re-bushed affect things, even if there are no longer any points pushing on the shaft? I tire of hearing other's smoothly idling machines while I have to rev the engine before jumping out to rapidly close the garage door and then diving back in to goose the gas lest she quit. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 (should be called Old Lumpy, to my everlasting shame) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 18:36:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41090431EF for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6BE42EA2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id d7so3912083wer.36 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:35:09 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-proxyuser-ip:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=YQTNW2B1FsUxbORRCp+Oqe89Yz1Nr7zsI+Yy/2yczL4=; b=hQ96FGFRoPmvq9ySWe8H8GcPH2IxXcjRfuTQcQwgvkTxX5lKFHbRzKMrLTztIwg1Jl 7L4VJOAvursQhLhsB+GXPm+parnfhPdgwgSzBin7fofpN0HOa4vgBpDAOnCsJMDY/h0/ 25lZEFI021MWXqxzoN+MJl6HOK8WH2zor7BiaJu+Lr68VG6jJ0hS4jjeJb+eSxZuoSyN xi7aZ78YwkVihYVKJUlZfkWcI3XGnpWKsQTMcdkk0MlgVsNpnjtDpbW5LWIR8OAwSuPJ Eb5bCw7gCYfaalKOMCU4tEJUkUAT8MWGEIA1Tqo5I3vGeuhfvbzEGvV3jXVYlFsC3/ZP kHUA== c15mr9701238wiw.18.1363480508925; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bj9sm5851445wib.4.2013.03.16.17.35.06 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([86.31.7.102]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:35:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dixie4" To: , References: <6f4ca18e.1ce22a2.6729efb9.2b9d@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:36:45 -0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I do believe that the rough idle has nothing to do with your distributor. >From what you describe I would be thinking air leak somewhere on the induction side. I would spray light oil around all the joints, flanges and inlet manifold with the engine running if the engine suddenly runs smooth there is your leak. Be careful if you opt for a WD40 spray or similar it is highly inflammable. Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hooper" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [TR] Distributor question >A long time back I fitted my 1972 TR6 with a Crane Cams XR700 >opto-electronic > ignition. It made starting much easier and being a gadget-guy I liked the > principle of the thing. No complaints. > > My car has had a rather irregular idle forever. It's got a slightly warmed > cam, triple Strombergs and a Falcon SS exhaust fed by a 6:1 header. I > replaced > the distributor's vacuum retard and that brought down the idle speed a > great > deal, but it is still lopey/rough. I recall that the reason I put in the > CC > ignition was to help with the idle, but it didn't. > > Despite all sorts of valve adjustment, professional carb rebuilding etc, > the > uneven idle persists. It was this way before the carbs and roller rockers > were > put in. Nothing seems to affect it. The car drives very well and has very > good > power through the rev range. > > The question: I had thought that removing the points would have made any > looseness in the distributor shaft irrelevant. Was I wrong? Would having > the > distributor re-bushed affect things, even if there are no longer any > points > pushing on the shaft? I tire of hearing other's smoothly idling machines > while > I have to rev the engine before jumping out to rapidly close the garage > door > and then diving back in to goose the gas lest she quit. > > Mark Hooper > 1972 TR6 (should be called Old Lumpy, to my everlasting shame) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6180 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 20:31:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B773431E1 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE1B431D2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:26:55 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=GgLf0l43b1QA:10 a=ezw3qYszDh9ie5phpXYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/4A-25887-C9925415; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 02:25:32 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:25:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4ionrDZ3phu2ioQX+s/3R+GBwHtQAEsY7A Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As a friend of mine says, one test is worth a thousand theories. Hook up a timing light and watch what the timing does when the idle is rough. If it puts on a light show, you've got distributor problems. If not, you need to look elsewhere. Next place to look would be carb synchronization. The rubber hose trick is good enough, just use a chunk of hose to listen to the hiss at each carb intake. If they all sound the same, the carbs are synchronized. Adrian's suggestion of a vacuum leak is good, too. When you've exhausted all other possibilities, I'd start being suspicious of that "warmed over" cam. It's not unheard-of for aftermarket parts to be defective, and one lobe slightly out of place (or a bent camshaft) can certainly affect idle quality. Get a dial indicator and a degree wheel, check that all the valves open and close when they should. Although the Crane will compensate to a large extent for slop in the shaft, it can't do anything for wear/damage to the centrifugal advance mechanism. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 20:55:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D020E431DB for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA83431CC for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id CStT1l00553lu5001StTcU; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:53:28 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:53:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] don't feel bad if your car won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net the 12 hours of sebring is running right now. I quote from the news: After running at or near the front of the GT field for the first nine hours, the chances for a victory by the No. 91 SRT Motorsports SRT Viper GTS-R took a significant blow when the car failed to start following a Ryan Dalziel pit stop. The team lost eight minutes as a result. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 07:10:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E0642E87 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DAE42E66 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 181DE1C0001AA for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.17]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 927FEE00008A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:08:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <6f4ca18e.1ce22a2.6729efb9.2b9d@indiefilmnet.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.239) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:08:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:08:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363525686; bh=NfayiiGSHT7JdV0O3kzJXAxRnFXmRXXFAzq63c/tQvk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uw4FWz6Jqq+VJGD3MxrzZlETGPwmYQvXvcw4vs/rTEcpQVOK0JUlzRE6a9e66SUCk q9vE6dTnd/Mk9d82CIlyfx+uq+gKkQzmionafVPS5NYepR29qWyynGqEdMk9qbzB9r yFpBH6XC8mUOcy3ppQLuURW2SvDgMfxCJuhJdnhE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d5145c0354e00 Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any aerosol oil will be flammable. Not just because the oil will burn but also because the propellant is a Propane/isobutane mix. Even aerosol insecticides, which are mostly water based, carry the flammability warning. Be sure to use in a well ventilated area to allow the flammable gases to dissipate. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Dixie4 I do believe that the rough idle has nothing to do with your distributor. >From what you describe I would be thinking air leak somewhere on the induction side. I would spray light oil around all the joints, flanges and inlet manifold with the engine running if the engine suddenly runs smooth there is your leak. Be careful if you opt for a WD40 spray or similar it is highly inflammable. Adrian ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 07:44:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0242E86 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC8E42E7E for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EC2A938000055 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.17]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C6424E000088 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:43:09 -0400 (EDT) References: <6f4ca18e.1ce22a2.6729efb9.2b9d@indiefilmnet.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.239) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:43:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:43:09 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363527789; bh=wHyKHiH0klvXYRmiptd3FnFkJMh9VU7vgcm161fops4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OPZ5IgLEDT7aW0Z4QMfTWnbWa8N9ABM3YANPk4jgNKoHyDEpiMj0bxYQ/DF7lvTGT iErl34pWed3e3Gc7CTc/rcaaHpkj16lJZIvEIOgp5cAZqjVMMdEhFrWNF0Y8OgH+gZ +ayL5N4gXazb9nDqQi8951kmHw1BJPQ6Yj6I5RHs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d5145c86d1173 Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, when you say lumpy what is the period of the oscillations? It could be just the nature of the camshaft. Large amounts of overlap can cause idle hunting. However, I solved a limpy idle with new hoses to the charcoal canister showing that a vacuum leak can lurk anywhere. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hooper A long time back I fitted my 1972 TR6 with a Crane Cams XR700 opto-electronic ignition. It made starting much easier and being a gadget-guy I liked the principle of the thing. No complaints. My car has had a rather irregular idle forever. It's got a slightly warmed cam, triple Strombergs and a Falcon SS exhaust fed by a 6:1 header. I replaced the distributor's vacuum retard and that brought down the idle speed a great deal, but it is still lopey/rough. I recall that the reason I put in the CC ignition was to help with the idle, but it didn't. Despite all sorts of valve adjustment, professional carb rebuilding etc, the uneven idle persists. It was this way before the carbs and roller rockers were put in. Nothing seems to affect it. The car drives very well and has very good power through the rev range. The question: I had thought that removing the points would have made any looseness in the distributor shaft irrelevant. Was I wrong? Would having the distributor re-bushed affect things, even if there are no longer any points pushing on the shaft? I tire of hearing other's smoothly idling machines while I have to rev the engine before jumping out to rapidly close the garage door and then diving back in to goose the gas lest she quit. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 (should be called Old Lumpy, to my everlasting shame) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 07:50:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8099342E90 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CA042E7E for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CcuE1l00927AodY51dpM4p; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:49:21 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CdpM1l00Q2xV5no3fdpM49; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:49:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:49:21 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1363528161; bh=2PFdgbclNpR9afLs4DM5cDFGIcsTI+lhR2LzZwvrvs0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WcU5ezNYFxe2Byz89HD/pyD4YDZKP88N/aRU0kxsc7j/IrdsBLJz9Y6AGsWbWwnlN kJzrNyuGhKsT96sqBR5HkLthN6lM81/mY+UBGlmcikgvHP+/DgjjSuGXQwyGW60ign pj5O8g6jNIYQipn4qvkV3TC9pdzuoENQiT08V3D+VvpTkFguwGNGyMmsXg9c3BZMOk H8U1AluCBHchFrTheHETvcnhpKh0zblqu5CVl76ejoupsJRKfHdkhK8VlXzi/p05E+ N+5VBioUJtwPCLx0fdL9NvC5DFORVezHRCXIYWg7y2x/u1tcIhcYV8jazUxru50TbY jFWTo4J6jqaUQ== Subject: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I did the restoration 10 years ago, I swapped out for a gear reduction starter. Toward the end of last driving season, I frequently tried to start the car, but the starter would spin without engaging the flywheel. This week, seems worse. Since I just rebuilt the engine, I know there are no broken teeth on the flywheel. I expect it's the solenoid. Question...is there any experience with the solenoids on these after market gear reduction starters failing? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 08:21:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9BD42E9A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7818F42E7A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1985B3800007B; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dsb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.1]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DE75FE00008B; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:19:50 -0400 (EDT) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:19:50 -0400 (EDT) To: terryrs@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363529991; bh=IJB+na58+wLwQxBSvzd4bMB6L+f06N8gKMTPsHmkBzM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lLY05WACtHkQj5ns9aE+laOWWFOWSs2K+I2jM20K5VdXgout47OPgYavNQUdJ3oWH 5styUb6g0rx5nlcjNU9iWQVhZKdap7e5bxq+y2t3cqPzmGKPihM5dXbhOwiFYOtIz1 yX4d8ndLMkERXUlggfHrqXvBgUouV/I9MeqLZCGc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29085145d1061f31 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have never had any solenoid issues with mine. But, I did have a problem with not getting the right engagement gear on the starter. I have an earlier TR3 than you, which had a bomb-type starter. However, apparently it had been fitted with a later-type ring gear in error (maybe the earlier ring-gear wasn't available at the time). So, I had to switch to a later type engagement gear on the starter, despite having an earlier car, and that solved the problem. It's an unlikely cause, I know, but you may wish to consider compatibility between the ring gear and the starter's engagement gear. Tim In a message dated 17/03/2013 9:49:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, terryrs@comcast.net writes: When I did the restoration 10 years ago, I swapped out for a gear reduction starter. Toward the end of last driving season, I frequently tried to start the car, but the starter would spin without engaging the flywheel. This week, seems worse. Since I just rebuilt the engine, I know there are no broken teeth on the flywheel. I expect it's the solenoid. Question...is there any experience with the solenoids on these after market gear reduction starters failing? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 09:39:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A16942E7E for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007A542E67 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id CfdV1l00353lu5001fdV8A; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:30 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <605511103.686081.1363528161458.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:35:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net likely it is the location of the starter gear. we had to use a spacer on my tr6 to get it right. took a couple of tries to get the right width of spacer. if the starter spins, then its probably not the solenoid. someone correct/confirm me here, but if the solenoid is bad, you'll just get a click. -----Original Message----- From: terryrs@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:49 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem When I did the restoration 10 years ago, I swapped out for a gear reduction starter. Toward the end of last driving season, I frequently tried to start the car, but the starter would spin without engaging the flywheel. This week, seems worse. Since I just rebuilt the engine, I know there are no broken teeth on the flywheel. I expect it's the solenoid. Question...is there any experience with the solenoids on these after market gear reduction starters failing? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 11:48:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E839142D80 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10FD4296B for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:48:30 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=N6mRrHGPH-wA:10 a=jCeGT70R7LvZBvyaeRUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5B/2E-04559-89106415; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:47:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:47:14 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4jFke6qc6t71/QTsyjLlJ6ezDrSQAIFqVw Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > When I did the restoration 10 years ago, I swapped out for a > gear reduction starter. Are you sure you got the right starter for the flywheel you have? Your description sounds exactly like what happens if you mate a starter designed for the early flywheel to a later flywheel. It works at first, but only the very tips of the gear teeth are touching. Soon the teeth wear down and it starts to slip. When this happened to a local club member (TR2 motor had a later flywheel, go figure), he was able to get the starter vendor to supply the pinion for the later flywheel. Apparently it's an easy swap. It's not impossible that the linkage to move the pinion gear is at fault, but unlikely IMO. The solenoid has to move before power is applied to the motor, so if the motor is turning, the solenoid did its job. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 11:52:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE36540E35 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E295D4296B for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:52:45 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=GgLf0l43b1QA:10 a=ee46dax4qgVbU2bTfVMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5A/C7-25887-79206415; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:51:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:51:29 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4jEJ4lSyIDg4i0QYC8l+lfxZqE8AAJu2rQ Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Any aerosol oil will be flammable. One of those "separated by a common language" things. I'm sure Adrian meant it will burn (hence the warning to be careful). Personally I prefer to use "carb cleaner" as it leaves less of a mess. It will also burn easily, though. But just keep your face away, generally if it does catch fire the fire will go out quickly with a minimum of damage. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 12:09:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB0142D80 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE504284E for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:09:36 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=w8CB9sV-xuAA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=tGvgLjGZ4NoA:10 a=vlFG-fseufbahpv6gcEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=a2olmGk9lENqhFv5:21 a=AS7YS2ZePhKauNwW:21 a=PPPZr7SK8rxdRztFOjQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=W4BofZFnDfANUEre:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50923] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 7E/87-07167-98606415; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:08:10 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:10:28 -0400 Subject: [TR] Zinc Plating long parts with Caswell zinc plating kit.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I just wanted to pass along an little nugget regarding zinc plating. Last summer I bought a zinc plating kit from Caswell Plating. I wanted to re-plate all the small linkages while restoring my SU carbs. That turned out pretty well so I started doing other things, working my way up to larger and larger pieces such as the hood latch. I was eyeing that telescoping trunk stay rod but it was too long, almost 2 feet when extended. Well, I was walking thru the local hardware store totally looking for something else when I noticed a giant plastic roller tray. The thing is just a bit over 2 feet wide.. I bought it and when I got home, I found that if I tilted it up at about 45 degrees, I ended up with a "tank" 2 feet long, about 4 inches wide and about 3 inches deep. Perfect!! I used the original tank to heat the plating solution, then poured it into the tray. I layed the two zinc anodes down along the edge of the tank and it worked great. Now I need to go thru my other parts to see if there is anything else I can plate. I updated my website with pictures of the tank as I was plating one of the steering column pieces. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a go to Final Finishes, then click on zinc plating. Just had to share that. Also, shameless plug.. Since my autopainting career is over, I am intersted in selling my air supplied respirator if anyone is interested. There is a picture of it in the Tools section. Zinc plating is actually very easy to do with the Caswell kit and not that expensive. If you already have a way to clean the parts, even a bench type wire wheel, you can do this and the results are quite good.. Still waiting on my Advance Auto-Wire harness (2 weeks to go .. I hope) Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 16:15:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CC542B19 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECEA40408 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5D2891C00017A for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 32507E000081 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:13:22 -0400 (EDT) References: <5A.C7.25887.79206415@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:13:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:13:21 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363558402; bh=5I+Lu4o/KkUT4G+uu5QSui9bKn+X5Ny8ngkVCvZOzkc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=snpgqmhF32BP0t5OYGRzPNz3GpaPd3k3EYwq0WKFgc98fw/UbpjRInb48jCdkUZr8 5lQkqy8BiCdTIAHrnH1W6fRw6AeU9omowVI8zkXYy0QzWRzBDOYClOTMtvQFyPcggA GLwbTZ1yRccnFvMJdgyn9omOpb5Rd/vnPosaO8sg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b51464002583c Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net An unlit propane torch leaves even less residue and since there is no liquid any flames will extinguish as soon as you pull away. The torch may still be lit but that's what it's designed to do. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Randall > Any aerosol oil will be flammable.One of those "separated by a common language" things. I'm sure Adrian meantit will burn (hence the warning to be careful).Personally I prefer to use "carb cleaner" as it leaves less of a mess. Itwill also burn easily, though. But just keep your face away, generally ifit does catch fire the fire will go out quickly with a minimum of damage.-- Randall ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 22:13:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC4742B19 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86DF42541 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJU0093A8YHLRA0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:11:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: , References: <605511103.686081.1363528161458.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:11:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net depending on your old/new starters..... the gears hit the ring gear from opposite sides. The teeth don't have the taper on them so engagement can be hit and miss. btdt.... solenoid is fine..... but with no engagement the gear spins...up against, rather than engaged with, the ring gear Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:49 AM Subject: [TR] TR3 Starter Problem > When I did the restoration 10 years ago, I swapped out for a gear > reduction starter. > > Toward the end of last driving season, I frequently tried to start the > car, but the starter would spin without engaging the flywheel. > > This week, seems worse. > > Since I just rebuilt the engine, I know there are no broken teeth on the > flywheel. I expect it's the solenoid. > > Question...is there any experience with the solenoids on these after > market gear reduction starters failing? > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 11:05:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6529C42499 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 45A9740043 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 17:02:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.253] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 17:02:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 17:02:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 89257 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2013 17:02:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363626176; bh=vfvhbrKdkZowc2NhJqxIQL3JJT0h0SmAaTx8lXgxWYU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3yxG8FNGw05xJuaE/zDTyTaRx2XvNaUqqsRQbypw8TOrCs7I1bLJWmiO9QB/tZihCSqNnrbcR8JGV7vj1ZLBd7g1FKEtUrK3EjrheAR7TcaHmkTxi3u4/1/+COSGh5+QX3R22X7RhOrDe1snhTNFHmo9KBmblgthFzys4hzOa5E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xZhxzaUHl/6Kudzfpm7zRDwyBn3eXylwwlEOnaLVLYGeGJoG0YPuyWalrs8ppfEldLEBokoo/dA+GK6xrJdlfAylfZMuApIZaVYlC2j9WPnciwRTlQ+Fz8O/5ucMNG4KbKnTLVIh5YT2XIxFPSWtcDUnbfqkv7L7KCrgj4QHVos=; 0fE1LVhCuIJ9Y2TS2m_uEJ2n8Afti5zOoPTKobMkIX2lOHbVA4vsbsF.IMYN svcVtzecBaPQWGx.JL8NOMyD60j605fMbOBSd74bZc2ZgAbAOSJxjccI0Gsu q33t4d2uAG_FiVfbv5yPtf.ilHGBc6vRbtClUfEXYkc3Iiv3QThxuQOkWUQT ju94Gnn.IuvUQy9bYzQtvdR1gmrbEcxZzT9NmGdmJpyL6rLbUa6pt7k8A85T MMGT60.fEC8GfqyDZZopEu9VgC8Md04ZHZBOxMzBd6aipMN1oI6e8sSJ9TQj kbsPNfyWdj0z4Ha3QV4pDXnrZZPJmyvPdGQHw80lmc372ZPiV2q21sQI.7f0 AsAB13f2DAj0EOsd9xJDvx_tN8tpdyOUMxKS6GfNkx92jnvdjqD5qi5W9COG hAlC8bjSrzEF8dIfn_BuGPi15wrNlWLAuCv.RXR80Zlx_TulNvSCx Received: from [72.45.201.58] by web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:56 PDT SGkgTGlzdCEKQ2hlY2sgdGhlIGFyY2hpdmVzLCBiZWNhdXNlIHRoaXMgdG9waWMgd2FzIGRpc2N1c3NlZCBhYm91dCAxIC0.IDEgMS8yIHlyLiBhZ28uIEkgbWF5IGhhdmUgc2F2ZWQgaXQgYnV0IEkgY2FuJ3QgZ2V0IHRvIHRoZSBjb21wdXRvciB0aGF0IHRoZSBpbmZvLiB3YXMgc3RvcmVkIG9uLiBUaGUgcGVyc29uIHRoYXQgYnJvdWdodCB1cCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1lLCBldmVuIGdhdmUgYW4gYWRkcmVzcyAobGluaykgdG8gZ28gdG8gdG8gb3JkZXIgdGhlIHN0dWZmIGhlIHVzZWQuCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! Check the archives, because this topic was discussed about 1 -> 1 1/2 yr. ago. I may have saved it but I can't get to the computor that the info. was stored on. The person that brought up this topic the first time, even gave an address (link) to go to to order the stuff he used. Sorry that I can't give you more info. to go on. -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 20:56:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA8D40549 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp09-03-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F7340510 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([10.6.239.7]) by p3plwbeout09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id DEuQ1l0010AGDfN01EuQgL; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:54:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 308 invoked by uid 99); 19 Mar 2013 02:54:24 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.6.34 From: To: "Cosmo Kramer" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:54:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] restoring/cleaning the plastic radiator overflow bottle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 22:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B401442848 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B70E425B7 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 04:02:55 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 04:02:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 04:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 92862 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2013 04:02:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363665775; bh=uqaemQOROEBZUGz/InCL+YbKmJjD4Sf0YSXdwZy86Xo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m+bKYCqCJXgRI+qkA12VqX5HPFY+X8ruHNF9+pQkQXnGeKE8SVh9GMG25IayUkl4/9iDz12siooBs9Pl/lAWOHl+94/st4YomMq8TsVbBzb65TfgR0MScQkWXEqrAZSxpPT5j+j6axSqtGO+8bsja0b3NT1Evn1/f0ETVDMIWpk= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HyA6kKW3ZstQfQZlm73lRAuVwvX0pow2xdagUyj99waesjs/Iwb7Jiruve1/oWKZwqHIbF78ihKpLomTRrznTo3QKbIWbs9JOT0cDUSqWyDES8llFVgMgMes86S5MCmpuYBlKlLQ8BomhQUF1dF8U6Z11Vj9+0PJNwgXikKe2hQ=; vtY5v.qaq97bfNlBsB_1Mb7EWOS0JJtGawD5f515c7nFWgYfrTv3VEOWMIa2 9ps9pgUDi8olnzeYri4KsF9bNBh33B7d1RVbawCZBBCs9HhCMlyGOceE5zcD UMLLF3jF0K.CX3WIZK7RP.yuSzOjg1O6L0SAGBSIdIRgBRDH0ocXzEGfSiy8 oo8kANczvEDq6hB5SUySX_G3RZ.GqCSa1cRByF6wCAZCsdU4K2egebN1W8Bk eZN7r64opg.mMIl.CfhJlXIECeAuyUN2U_lKnR4T6WgBf.CcsobMqVE_OU_b R5R3T28.wCTDvwIW6MnDvT_bxe3SMHWozJxHxU0IORjm6i4qCEFVoXa2h9mJ gFgd57yKPb.m2P6XdMUovk5NzJhhjIPDxmAtnJfVmZ9cZ6Hd.cISB13D3cYr gpmofReTKeBpQHr1olFRTsTttM6Fy5OqomAm3Axhs1J_yU.yovpedvlq0hQF rpP5he4E8LlKO1IyqkjfOFeROIzedOcv3MQAz_SoEZYlXl6smnrzge9h3OHY BTTXYWEbmaA.hLFoA8TaaFiipZwj0y6jgDP5fKDN8QT78.pi2Jyp1p43BFbU 5tYr1aZ77LCiSUCu4ttA3mkhoe.cPK4M.vx.gRTPZoHsW4EMXQrWWekE0HNu mUyaztGjOWKQxFbnZfznLtQEshROBEbPAlFmjM3kWBRMOr2d8SlAI0RevMWA fcWPgoYCSboIswLlkmbHIJHZ8Xg-- Received: from [108.240.213.17] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:02:55 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBhbSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBhbiBlYXJseSBUUjQgY3VydmVkIGdsYXNzIGVsZWN0cmljIHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlIGdhdWdlLiBEb2VzIGFueW9uZSBoYXZlIG9uZSB0aGF0IHRoZXkgd291bGQgc2VsbD8KwqDCoMKgwqAgCgrCoMKgwqDCoCBodHRwOi8vaS5lYmF5aW1nLmNvbS90L1RyaXVtcGgtVFI0LVRSMy1PcmlnaW5hbC1KYWVnZXItV2F0ZXItVGVtcC1HYXVnZS1UZXN0ZWQtVkdDLS8wMC9zL01USXdNRmd4TmpBdy96L35aVUFBTVhReVNwUklhdUkvJCUyOEtHckhxUkhKRmNGRVFENlNyaSUyOEIBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] WTB Early TR4 Temp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for an early TR4 curved glass electric temperature gauge. Does anyone have one that they would sell? http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Triumph-TR4-TR3-Original-Jaeger-Water-Temp-Gauge-Teste d-VGC-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/~ZUAAMXQySpRIauI/$%28KGrHqRHJFcFEQD6Sri%28BRI,uIFS KQ~~60_35.JPG If no one has one, does anyone have any recommendations on where to look for one? There aren't any on Ebay at the moment. TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 23:20:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B43403F9 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F894290F for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E1C2F380000BA; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.6.0.28] (unknown [208.86.2.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 0C896E000092; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:23:51 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363562633; bh=cCj6A7MkEHO5jkuWmMPezUETyooWgLhF8HbOtZO3Z/E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=GVrcPw7Rwhc/IjOyR0StN0uSux33yF53h4KeLNGR3WNhYLMdZcFwgiRbNMTDjoRqI EPxqQJdb9dslMv//uU1wfWj7NBMZkxtWd6SXXnQNaZhRVd+/KlSSZGdr9cUGQi0dJH 2/rXk47GzRAdlox5PTPm7lW6sDNwhBqXeDuvMxRw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3386514650883711 Cc: John Phillips , "Jack D. McGlumphy" Subject: [TR] TR8 Power Steering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings! My buddy and I are trying to change out a power steering pump on a 1980 TR8 and are having fits. We don't have a comprehensive manual and we are flying blind. Has anyone out there successively accomplished this? It looks to me like the pulley needs to be removed first, but, there isn't enough room to get anything in there to do it. Does the radiator need to be removed? Any help would be appreciated. TIA for any information or where to look for a GOOD manual. Sam ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 23:29:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293774032A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8A9400A5 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (static-72-67-118-198.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.67.118.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECD302CA30; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Wagner" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:22:12 -0700 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] 1966 Triumph TR-4A IRS - Barn Find : ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If this car could talk! http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3632097940.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 23:34:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FB940408 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF0D403E8 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8512AA018D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:34:40 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1FB4929F-2062-4425-8B7B-F366DBA39FD3@greenheart.com> Subject: Re: [TR] 1966 Triumph TR-4A IRS - Barn Find : ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net J. Wagner wrote: > If this car could talk! > > > http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3632097940.html > Would love to have another 4A. And my 250 back. But for now I'll just work on getting my clapped out squaretail Spit back together and on the road. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 05:55:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49D740442 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 05:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AAF40419 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 05:55:19 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=CZhAJbgv3ykA:10 a=H_WRjn3sE3oA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=hSC7csIDbSAA:10 a=EVuYZDY8ot4Qpekbxc4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:58212] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/C3-11869-443A9415; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:53:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:53:40 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: "J. Wagner" References: <1FB4929F-2062-4425-8B7B-F366DBA39FD3@greenheart.com> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] 1966 Triumph TR-4A IRS - Barn Find : ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The car would say: Why did you let me rust out! This car would be a challenge. If the rust visible in the floors and boot are as bad as it looks, the frame is toast. Looks to me a parts car only, but at 1800 could be a good buy if the OD is in good condition. Bob On 03/20/2013 01:22 AM, J. Wagner wrote: > If this car could talk! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 06:30:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9079D4044D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A7540426 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 513341C000095; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.145]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1C0C0E000089; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:28:28 -0400 (EDT) To: jmwagner@greenheart.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363782508; bh=4M7sOsRUX3Tx9/xzhxJAqWyvhpt2nfVROuwOFYxAStA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SbrmCuJO8DYBxO2ke2FWpWeynRXnK671QtKif2i/JnWTLJuK2+O9znd6EwGjtmSqV odA5m1dC+BQDI2RAk7vulUKKWmgF0sOcn+r6ZptFDUlKirGvfyqBwuSXa3nxVu9s5R F82Kcf2hoPPAhoHIdcDsG7bO3uqk5hguI1aSQ2JA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b5149ab6c0bba Subject: Re: [TR] 1966 Triumph TR-4A IRS - Barn Find : ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great find......not sure how much it would cost to bring to a level to sell for $20,000+ but for a "labor of love", it's a pretty cool find! Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 3/20/2013 1:28:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmwagner@greenheart.com writes: If this car could talk! http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3632097940.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 07:58:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FD840446 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26564040D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id Dpwl1l00a5SgtPc01pwmBT; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:56:46 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <1FB4929F-2062-4425-8B7B-F366DBA39FD3@greenheart.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:56:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] 1966 Triumph TR-4A IRS - Barn Find : ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "restored you could sell for $20,000" I wonder how much you would lose . . . . . -----Original Message----- From: J. Wagner Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:22 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 1966 Triumph TR-4A IRS - Barn Find : ) If this car could talk! http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3632097940.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 09:33:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC8C40449 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2022140407 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3C48C1C0000F8 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.145]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D07BEE000081 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363793519; bh=p9gON1jXdRk/WWxOS6TkNyknMI0/4W2OeT/DCxgDi9o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PGSW9/rcvOZqfzgz+ri3NZTx6yc3UvXtg5Ifc6dkjG0RFc7z3MvbRTWsu0J+gfu6f 4ea+MfK3CuJaYG2E3YYHFOv1kDTiPp5ZFwaV6Byu5tQlBzs+yxKrjxCuOVf8w9k0FZ T4Ss2uegc9vu15Foangmv6yGs693/PIKYbiEZf9w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d5149d66e0f54 Subject: [TR] Two Keys For Free! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I was digging through some stuff and came upon two keys on a small ring with the number FS 923 on each key. They don't fit any locks on my TR4 nor do I think they were for the TR6 or Spitifre I owned recently so I don't have a clue what they fit or where they came from. They look very new so maybe I got them from a "mystery bag" door prize??? Anyway, if anyone wants them, please let me know and I'll mail them to you. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 11:19:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F21640405 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33003403C6 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id eh20so1906007obb.36 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=hIYeeZql6kQ9OzLm7qpuySilIrDDCb1UIilrRh3fBjw=; b=sPqyc/JOrwSmxovfA81rrQNrHuDh7W/mzDZVSTPBRfuiIcxVDflv9nw732XA4ZXjgc DuS56JYyhV3GBnb4B+wG2GUuwwFs3zU+EaOdaNEoW0SeZDcCROkuRZgkpbEN43l6BojR 9VHxVsNQAFoiCcYy53/oI06uKQyN4a3dK75mSorIAkwj+ka+QzVVSn2hu0sqiO7dWDzO Hgw7gypmf+dXVZC3vuzTj28JBF9bWfdTYyeHQ+ShZ6Jndm4lWuktaroKqmzj0oMBQUVu WRDfhomlAqwl30urIlyUHzYE2eecUgU38wcD5Pot/CrBIMwupJ+WJop83D6QGZ7Y+4gQ yHMg== Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (ip98-180-71-26.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.71.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v8sm2890501oea.4.2013.03.20.10.17.37 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:17:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <8f6b.65590361.3e7b306e@aol.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:17:36 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Transmission Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I have a jtype od transmission that was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Started having third gear grinding issues on hard acceleration and deceleration (auto cross and spirited driving) so had new German made brass synchros installed about 2 years ago. Got rid of Taiwanese synchros installed during original rebuild as we thought that was the issue. The new German synchros didn't solve the problem. The tranny shifts fine at lower rpms, but when I goose it and want powershifts it grinds slightly going into third (from second and fourth) and a little on the hard down shifts in second. Hard shifts are revving up to 5500 rpms. The clutch was rebuilt about 10 years ago with a Borg and beck, and guest throw out bearing. Clutch looked fine when we inspected on latest synchro change. Any ideas what this could be? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 75 TR6 62 TR4 Sent from my iPad On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > List, > > I was digging through some stuff and came upon two keys on a small ring > with the number FS 923 on each key. > > They don't fit any locks on my TR4 nor do I think they were for the TR6 or > Spitifre I owned recently so I don't have a clue what they fit or where > they came from. They look very new so maybe I got them from a "mystery bag" > door prize??? > > Anyway, if anyone wants them, please let me know and I'll mail them to you. > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1962 TR4 CT2052L > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 11:21:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79327403E3 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420F8403C6 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id un3so1870303obb.24 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:19:22 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=h1yYl/7ABdGtGA52tH3RZz+wgU2W/UZOjAvUCZD2ro0=; b=KUzcPY0FZfBIVUj+AB0XzCJd6OtJtAuG925O1XPx+WkoJoNZ+meeUtteNm7VO10XlI cnYd6GSMmWjWSykKDdJRALAYA1jY859IcQACRew6QHNOJ7wCJSddXEesogQ9fX+N3px/ SZGXarb2QrwQyH0DSjjvEBRuVCvJfdpC40rBuibY6QFoGN2iq1KZ+NiSIJZq3DdTIVHS +sak489ez/JMD8eSp1fjgAfFCB0YE53ZQ24XnMbwBDwzIGFpS/rz/3KipSOI+6mZ+tot /jssUrPC+zZa28ksVrU//fudAE9DEwLDZgi93H9QryYYyP0g0zN3V6ElgyBe4xU8qJZH ao+g== s2mr4641863oec.124.1363799962771; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (ip98-180-71-26.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.71.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ka6sm2789075obb.3.2013.03.20.10.19.20 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Henningsen Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:19:19 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR8 Wheel and Tire Upgrade Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Friend of mine has a stock 15k mile orig TR8 and wants to install 15 inch wheels and rims. What is the best tire profile (width and height) for that size on the 8 Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 11:44:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB0540404 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F414003F for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id DteR1l00A5SgtPc01teRgH; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:38:25 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <8f6b.65590361.3e7b306e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:38:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net since I saw this post I thought I would contribute a similar tale of woe. I had my od tranny rebuilt, and then rebuilt twice more under warranty because sometimes it shifts smoothly up or down, and sometimes it grinds. this guy has done numerous boxes, but they couldn't resolve the issue. I haven't noticed whether it matters if I am "powering" into the shifts. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Henningsen Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Transmission Woes List: I have a jtype od transmission that was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Started having third gear grinding issues on hard acceleration and deceleration (auto cross and spirited driving) so had new German made brass synchros installed about 2 years ago. Got rid of Taiwanese synchros installed during original rebuild as we thought that was the issue. The new German synchros didn't solve the problem. The tranny shifts fine at lower rpms, but when I goose it and want powershifts it grinds slightly going into third (from second and fourth) and a little on the hard down shifts in second. Hard shifts are revving up to 5500 rpms. The clutch was rebuilt about 10 years ago with a Borg and beck, and guest throw out bearing. Clutch looked fine when we inspected on latest synchro change. Any ideas what this could be? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 75 TR6 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46364043F for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC90403F2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:17:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.197] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:17:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:17:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363803435; bh=i+8tl8PDZx1GCWdIRH8Xm1Jpw2NZ9E0qay2mRjgPSio=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=bm/PETzF5UxJgnFIE40fur26TEU9+8x8pKmFY0D2fwlcpxhRb8keFOmsMZg1xItw9C3POfWGPciwf3FOIz4flhyHOnsZLp5Pw5PMa/ALm90uCTwJKuc9+r6csY6WTRku2ahgWwENFOdEPE1iDe3rp0CxVhE+ZEWeiD4by23J9ME= UBa.u0AY8RzRuOxJAII2U..ddDEXgReULmNYCMSVzWxPRmJJyCh2rD0fEbNp Lbf3HqMHy7mqNCd6faMxMiWeyV_PcDoqw2_W2ZIFc8q6i8Vzvj7gWjhbAPSP xR1UnhPGaYN2PlGHRFRoNwVfgPMlcu6vYUluPgvYobh.AodnTI0lM7we90k1 iYIBuxpd92Aq9PWpxBOqjLfQRgfgqo6cDMrvXZZIytCSm33DxJc3aDGHYMGm lN6d47DvYiFZ1Watbi6_M6psRqcoWrOenRwKYasYdngRPCvFm14MpzncoEi2 Lgmbz5IBb7p2OAm_ofpaHU7qN6oij7vBk31dnLyb6YceDBTyIvmyPRGalmhg hFaEN42bG.sRG07f3ypy3fQ3HFIgmiC5q.XGDwPLqs5ryLrRTvmdsDn3hkNG KQKdCZMiA57ATKty9sTWtfAOyy95y._XDogik2jL8DIjqCiWm6JHlh9DgKMS K6n61829Xghw4D4hfOQ-- by smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 11:17:15 -0700 PDT References: <8f6b.65590361.3e7b306e@aol.com> <53811AC13DF74A2FBF0B0D83F948219A@Datsun> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:17:07 -0500 To: Dave Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Add me to the list, same issues on my '58 TR3a. New syncros, same problem. Sent from mobile Bill On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:38 PM, "Dave" wrote: since I saw this post I thought I would contribute a similar tale of woe. I had my od tranny rebuilt, and then rebuilt twice more under warranty because sometimes it shifts smoothly up or down, and sometimes it grinds. this guy has done numerous boxes, but they couldn't resolve the issue. I haven't noticed whether it matters if I am "powering" into the shifts. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Henningsen Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Transmission Woes List: I have a jtype od transmission that was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Started having third gear grinding issues on hard acceleration and deceleration (auto cross and spirited driving) so had new German made brass synchros installed about 2 years ago. Got rid of Taiwanese synchros installed during original rebuild as we thought that was the issue. The new German synchros didn't solve the problem. The tranny shifts fine at lower rpms, but when I goose it and want powershifts it grinds slightly going into third (from second and fourth) and a little on the hard down shifts in second. Hard shifts are revving up to 5500 rpms. The clutch was rebuilt about 10 years ago with a Borg and beck, and guest throw out bearing. Clutch looked fine when we inspected on latest synchro change. Any ideas what this could be? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 75 TR6 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 13:06:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC8240418 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1327403B2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 660921C0001C2; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (8.sub-70-193-30.myvzw.com [70.193.30.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 95DC4E0000F7; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Jack Mc Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:55:38 -0400 To: Jim Henningsen x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363805741; bh=z1j2lzB5TJAYQ6eSFHxPEB/nlo260iDBGqDRoYwcBJ0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=KkSfmSVuXLOYP5kjkFNu7yR75Wxu5lVf0dk0LGTM8zB9wD+kvVkrsQNYRPG0UMo4h 6QotoruxUI/ZdeQbU3w43bcbGSMbNJlnnRvOZ9vy8gyCFLMpkSn/ki/aRMlEhXPFmW yz8ilJ9ilUOaNBck1Uii3oxXjCimRg8CEGW62hwM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2944514a062b63cc Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR8 Wheel and Tire Upgrade Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 205/50 15s are great, but MAY rub depending on ride height of the car and weight the car is carrying, as well as the specific tire used. Had one set that never rubbed at all. with another set, i had a right rear rub in one TR8 that varied in severity depending on the weight of the passenger - same set had a front rub on another TR8 that had a lower ride height. Have a set of 195/50 15s now that has had no issues on any of our TR8s. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Mar 20, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: > Friend of mine has a stock 15k mile orig TR8 and wants to install 15 inch > wheels and rims. What is the best tire profile (width and height) for that > size on the 8 > Thanks, > Jim Henningsen > Ocala, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 13:25:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0534044E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DCD403EF for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 19:23:36 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 19:23:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 19:23:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363807416; bh=ebs3LL5OF7hOIEKxu/DdJcqUpy8ShQH2j2i4P4GGmkE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2f81qgPqPnAXYReiu+51xm7VPFCEosUlrwjhjrMbOPTaYIcqX8igP+ldUkYBKTBALPpWF1a4Ie9Ny+2699iQhLKXdx0EYdrnuhxbogt8cuhauTxgYIwQSmWD6zcKYf7Fz9RMUPG+Fk4yhxzxtVgF+br940mmUOB+bxgBOJjwy8M= J6W2lAbyqvGw2IBgzXVsu9EJfe0DO2nba46WARoo7oJ1UQI8AG.O8bO.OsVg CAPsO6BUSu0Q7Y9K74D_80ViF_mrIejlV5pLJe29AZ.eCMZvaESaa8AkvqZB UiVLGlcsk6kbuIiTOnUgARwHVhsAGg1nLLQlu.tFmbkOOzIcU8gYd9M4U1ds L46j0Sf5uK1s3TB.wYh1AcZ5bNacDtWomEyujlyJfsF7ejY6ICaO6DfGdZat 6QsTIEdoyD5S_lcYnCr_qlbKkGZ_diDVXOfqMoBvs74UP1M.a7uzEj5AqWDg 1890Xy8mRfhzRcvh6Nltc1vPlulv_6JbiqoxV_Gr5TrOgcwCBD.RYRBIrFpZ lhU7X1q9Rkonf56BDbLnU0w21KhyN2YKoK_GAfe750.lX7A1kBwpAfiftXll mF716JJ6wPogp8mHD2Ws- plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 12:23:36 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:23:33 -0700 From: "hdrider570@att.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: Triumphs@Autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes (Dave) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The problem is that you are expecting your transmission to act like a M22 "Rock-crusher" transmission. It is not that nor was it ever designed to be. It's a 40's design with added first gear syncro's. The best thing to do is use modern synthetic oil like Redline MTL and treat it with a bit of respect. Learn to double declutch and remember that everyone that you are competing against is using the same technology so it is an even playing field. If that does not suit your fancy then get a Tr7/8 with a 5 speed or modify your car with Herman's conversion set up. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 14:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD68F40451 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A577403B2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id DwGD1l00W5SgtPc01wGDyl; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:16:14 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <514A0CB5.7000802@att.net> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:16:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes (Dave) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net with all due respect, the tranny that came in the car behaved just fine. the problem is in this replacement od tranny. and it has nothing to do with the od. oil is redline. I have driven and owned numerous british cars. so, no, its not that my expectations are wrong. I am not abusing the thing, just expecting to act like a normal british transmission. mine does not. there is a problem. -----Original Message----- From: hdrider570@att.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:23 PM To: Triumphs@Autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes (Dave) The problem is that you are expecting your transmission to act like a M22 "Rock-crusher" transmission. It is not that nor was it ever designed to be. It's a 40's design with added first gear syncro's. The best thing to do is use modern synthetic oil like Redline MTL and treat it with a bit of respect. Learn to double declutch and remember that everyone that you are competing against is using the same technology so it is an even playing field. If that does not suit your fancy then get a Tr7/8 with a 5 speed or modify your car with Herman's conversion set up. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 14:49:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6089F40405 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2114F403FA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=RRKis6irihsA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=onVRuyydAAAA:20 a=pE3ZG1_MAAAA:20 a=agSU3YAOUBjK9pzdxDIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rxAccl2lSFcA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:35504] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 27/FB-06772-5DF1A415; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:45:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:45:09 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , Jim Henningsen Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jim Henningsen wrote: > List: > I have a jtype od transmission that was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Started > having third gear grinding issues on hard acceleration and deceleration (auto > cross and spirited driving) so had new German made brass synchros installed > about 2 years ago. Got rid of Taiwanese synchros installed during original > rebuild as we thought that was the issue. The new German synchros didn't solve > the problem. My first thought would be the clutch or pilot bearing dragging. Do you have the proper "dowel bolts" to precisely locate the gearbox to the engine plate? How are the thrust washers? How far off the floor does the clutch start to engage? Next I'd be looking at things like the detent force in the shift hubs, excess play in the thrust washers/bushings, and wear on the gears. There's a lot more to shifting than just synchro rings; and not everyone checks those things when doing a rebuild. Note that even new bushings are frequently too short and/or the wrong diameter. Last time I did a gearbox, I bought two of each and still wound up having to reuse the old ones. Had to have Herman make some spacers, too. How much clearance was there between the face of the new synchro rings and the dog teeth, with the synchro seated on the cone? IIRC it should be at least .050". Last, although not too likely I think, be sure your shift rings match your dog teeth. There was a subtle change in production, and mixing parts can cause problems. I know someone who spent years trying to figure out why a freshly rebuilt box would jump out of gear, and that was eventually discovered to be the problem. http://goo.gl/FjDq3 Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 17:08:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AD040451 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942FB403B1 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.200] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 23:01:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363820463; bh=YejKUZIiUio+enwWi7W1EZd7/D2TFj0gCCkjTxKOzpU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=6AF81vfeoHkBonml9zxs88xwXc4jFL1Q7XokqVKxS1enA0aRhZxtkCFfeHbDcVsz8aG45Hpb0mGs53+SrUis43M3ooB9SBIIaW5O0bIFtzWjQOIk3mFND/0bfs72+QZQxBA3cqtYFoc6ldfEa74AGTT+M+vntaqNll5A6ZpUt3A= NpYhiGVCYz481hkH4mIWy2lnOTGPAjnsDn4_Vg3VmE_sMuBeEddbQxWpp6cN N0XA6LGZQtISyCDZGsgKkKQ8G47tC7JvW1qh32CfF5xw5E3RdwzcYXDF2.yy iAyNPkq7lvTnzQaopLw83NIEtVP9qeyTJ2mnkbvqVXeISqUPFonPP8ICcp4g 24iTHao53weEceNlSniSUdINg3rewez2OFYHzNmbL5Dsrh3em6zIWTJHeZIX 9g7PaHyzFd8wVidBPsFcxgSyzCqm7CEn89xtVdab0hHUuseOC9SlCjJFp.vf T4sbhxwUYilNE7xCVH9EvPxeMeTN5cfxXV_pshHfggOwrP_PZe9hlb7xNlA4 Fxt4tLlTyPc9xyV5vkDksoVvFVVR9Spv1G8xmSApaeKH.T4CMR8OlKmK0mTl 8OVIVQ2ulnf3Xr_vmIbkGJh_IdZ99SXr6sqJA0RL.wB8I plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 16:01:03 -0700 PDT From: Bill_Beecher Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:01:02 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] Tr3 rad hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just opened my complete hose & clamp set for the TR3B only to find two lower sections of the 2-pc lower radiator connection and no upper hose. Has anyone found suitable substitutes at local FLAPS locations. Don't want to go the flex route if I don't have to. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 17:27:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E1D4281B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC581403EA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id m17so1797433vca.25 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gHLvn21TPFCEJi+TS2wF5jFk34nLJjPl4QnYhrXyK80=; b=DuTyNsWBgANLR1xYmzifJ4NhJF5LDPMBdtmgOhdlRZpMVUYRLN3thJkq4Nb5vam9GC JHCmek941Duinx+6JcvnD54BMxzc9sPGO0sUhlCngrjB8mfWRBhfFS4gUo0FgorGznsw QqPy/0WMISsslhnLuJTVgCOfpSm8mXfY/5MdrGK2YVF30bvOh6dYqzEJOiB7ia1axwK7 nfIJS9KabLL2XUa3KB2gLfLbVqWuMIawM8t+1BWYLvsLcgItIyytrbMO0jnLdt7pXcSC npbL/TivDVy6ZvTP5s3Q1wzr0OH0Xw3YRZxnz4sqEsH+4z1/DHozZpxAlnzHm6xK/iAd ajtA== Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.31.234 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:23:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bill_Beecher Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3 rad hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My recolleciton is that on a TR3 (3A/3B) the two hoses are identical. It's on the TR4 that the lower hose is different. Geo On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Bill_Beecher wrote: > Just opened my complete hose & clamp set for the TR3B only to find two > lower > sections of the 2-pc lower radiator connection and no upper hose... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 14:54:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58EA403FC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:54:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6538403EC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ELop1l00A53lu5001Loqjk; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:48:50 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:49:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net hi. this came out of my dadbs workshop. hebs no longer alive, so I canbt ask him. anyone know what this stuff is? whatbs it for? http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 15:12:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C71403EC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36950403C5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 10F36380000F9 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.193]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CAFB3E00008A for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363899934; bh=Z9B55grLIuZXzqdUJXvyZkx4ARzp/z+AG43FNHaHueY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BJgH3FhYcHWism76yWSWyDhoU6wJEYc9AFVLfNwHmp+6wZqDCcqtC83v5F1KTl/xX mzIkRvJi7yZugaF+mLMjX4fgpMcRrmWUESbGBThkBOdxEmzUEJ3GRqnyR1y8u+LwBk kLNE5Gk8gRL9Lc1+oZxWb+04Inot1n8Ljvp5NLPg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d514b761d1b41 Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I dunno. Not much comes up on a google search. But McMaster Carr carries Aluminum Oxide abrasives and they say these are good for grinding and polishing high tensile materials such as carbon steel. http://www.mcmaster.com/#aluminum-oxide-powders/=lz91pt Looks like blasting media. Dave In a message dated 3/21/2013 3:52:22 PM Central Daylight Time, dave@ranteer.com writes: > hi. > > this came out of my dadbs workshop. hebs no longer alive, so I canbt > ask him. > > anyone know what this stuff is? whatbs it for? > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 15:31:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB0640444 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B3B40043 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.103.202]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id EMJ61l0034N1HTa01MJ6og; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:18:09 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:18:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4meaSOH8KR8M4ES2aZBOQUu2THvQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Lift-a-dot studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I am just completing the restoration of a small-mouth TR3 and when I fitted the soft-top, I could no longer get 2 lift-a-dot studs to reach the threads. They are the two studs which go through a cover piece and then the webbing for the soft-top frame. My questions are: do they make a stud with a longer thread and does anyone have two they would sell me? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 15:32:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A4E424B2 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F4340067 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail19-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.235) by CO9EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (10.236.130.68) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:33 +0000 Received: from mail19-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail19-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16226360128 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:33 +0000 (UTC) H:BLUPRD0712HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: softfail (mail19-co9: transitioning domain of frostburg.edu does not designate 132.245.1.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=132.245.1.197; envelope-from=FPrecht@frostburg.edu; helo=BLUPRD0712HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail19-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail19-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1363901070764905_4600; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS002.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.250]) by mail19-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89BD3C004E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLUPRD0712HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (132.245.1.197) by CO9EHSMHS002.bigfish.com (10.236.130.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:29 +0000 Received: from BLUPRD0712MB625.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.3.110]) by BLUPRD0712HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.218.164]) with mapi id 14.16.0275.006; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:26 +0000 From: Francis Precht To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] completely off topic Thread-Index: AQHOJnYkhD+ShicJYUCC79c2m1BO8piwphN5 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:24:25 +0000 References: <8715FEC98AE44F5AB8A3101E33330EE4@Datsun> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [71.176.183.204] Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net from "Creative Chemistry'" pg 251 "Before the introduction of the artificial abrasives fine grinding was mostly done by emery, which is an impure form of aluminum oxide found in nature. A purer form is made from the mineral bauxite by driving off its combined water. Bauxite is the ore from which is made the pure aluminum oxide used in the electric furnace for the production of metallic aluminum. Formerly we imported a large part of our bauxite from France, but when the war shut off this source we developed our domestic fields in Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia, and these are now producing half a million tons a year. Bauxite simply fused in the electric furnace makes a better abrasive than the natural emery or corundum, and it is sold for this purpose under the name of aloxite, alundum, exolon, lionite or coralox. When the fused bauxite is worked up with a bonding material into crucibles or muffles and baked in a kiln it forms the alundum refractory ware. Since alundum is porous and not attacked by acids it is used for filtering hot and corrosive liquids that would eat up filter-paper. Carborundum or crystolon is also made up into refractory ware for high temperature work. When the fused mass of the carborundum furnace is broken up there is found surrounding the carborundum core a similar substance though not quite so hard and infusible, known as carborundum sand or siloxicon. This is mixed with fireclay and used for furnace linings." found in project gutenberg from http://www.bookrags.com/ebooks/17149/137.html or http://books.google.com/books?id=aw4NAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lionite+e lectric+furnace+abrasive&source=bl&ots=q_XUgJVNQ0&sig=nNKWfd3Phm0P0bgj7Axp0SV dgOg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3hLUdjPH6-l4AOFo4GoDw&ved=0CFoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=lionite %20electric%20furnace%20abrasive&f=false hope this helps bud precht frostburg, maryland '65 tr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 15:32:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC92740512 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway12.websitewelcome.com (gateway12.websitewelcome.com [69.93.243.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CDC40067 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 7048C84EE6311; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC1484EE62E0 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UImyc-0007Sk-KL for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0500 Received: from 184.169.163.153 ([184.169.163.153]) (proxying for 208.23.240.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0500 References: <8715FEC98AE44F5AB8A3101E33330EE4@Datsun> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, according to the label, it's 100-grit Aluminum Oxide, from General Abrasive. (Sorry, slap me now.) The name "Lionblast" implies that it might be suitable for sandblasting - Aluminum oxide (Al2O3) is really hard and can be reused after blasting. The mineral form is called corundum - also sold as a grinding agent. It's interesting that pure Al2O3 is colorless, but the finely-ground corundum that I used in a previous life was always a black powder - probably due to inclusions of other minerals in the crystal lattice. And the name "Lionite" did pop up on a search. See: http://www.granitecitytoolvt.com/sandblastabrasivelionitepf.htm > anyone know what this stuff is? whatb's it for? > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 15:33:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0632A40381 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4905540326 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so6103771lab.29 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=f/LGnts569p+h8CEmaUxWaDuI1SyrDEskUQqJIxJcJ8=; b=KNE+bEI/Ebu14LeemH67G8QpHA108L1bP72SLA5wkC8EIoBXw/g3TgfkSGvoLJYZH0 0HTWo1C3+4iU3l5usM6k8vTPef8QEdPxQ7uUWoO5G7TVua0WvxtqFVCfNvHXuAKLLiWe vSHzP1aGNh15N2G0bMrfvCkgaMKg+48K1YyGcR1WS12h7EQVxbepn6frpN2oscU/rY/k 2KR9HUNxSCRNNrMGCZzJ5klzlj001mHFnwqt0S2jZz4suS/xe25wuI1wuLt/vviQqTAZ LTFouyrL154KMExRkqJNfbl15WFxlLN1lzYKYa54XJB+4tK1RiRE7U5SNfOFx87Hfgbe rmlQ== pu13mr8363908lab.48.1363901319104; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.69.134 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.69.134 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:28:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <311.622d4537.3e7cd01d@cs.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:28:38 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: Dave1massey@cs.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My bet is abrasive for cleaning spark plugs On Mar 21, 2013 5:11 PM, wrote: > I dunno. Not much comes up on a google search. But McMaster Carr carries > Aluminum Oxide abrasives and they say these are good for grinding and > polishing high tensile materials such as carbon steel. > > http://www.mcmaster.com/#aluminum-oxide-powders/=lz91pt > > Looks like blasting media. > > Dave > > In a message dated 3/21/2013 3:52:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > dave@ranteer.com writes: > > hi. > > > > this came out of my dadb s workshop. heb s no longer alive, so I canb t > > ask him. > > > > anyone know what this stuff is? whatb s it for? > > > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 16:27:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CCF4052E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EAA40381 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=j1hluu91eWIA:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=VPXDljCLAAAA:20 a=AFlT5IVnIGXrZw_GC3wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_H4rVDKaQXsA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:55279] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 69/6F-06772-E588B415; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:23:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:23:26 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave1massey@cs.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > I dunno. Not much comes up on a google search. I must have Google really well trained or something. The second match I got pointed to a brochure for the stuff: http://goo.gl/EibKL "For abrasive blasting, wet or dry, of Metal, Glass, Ceramics, Wood, Rubber, Plastic, Stone and other materials" Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 16:33:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4154051C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FA14032C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Va8m99kQ1ysA:10 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=9l2Q2rImi92aPnd376sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:55632] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 6F/E5-04559-45A8B415; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:31:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:31:48 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Andrew Uprichard Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Lift-a-dot studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > My questions are: do they make a stud with a longer thread and does anyone > have two they would sell me? Yes, TRF sells them under part number 552670. On sale at the moment, so I'm reasonably confident they have them in stock (or will soon). On a side note, many of the old studs I have seem to have a darker, yellower finish than chrome; more like nickel or maybe German silver. Anyone know what the originals were plated with? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 17:02:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBEA40541 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4743540438 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id EP0e1l00453lu5001P0enu; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:00:39 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Randall" , References: <20130321222326.3PS47.103490.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thanks to all! it is an extremely fine powder. the question I don't get to ask is what he was doing with it? he wasn't that mechanical, although he did a lot of home repairs like wiring and very rough carpentry. he would have been 95 last week. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:23 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net ; Dave1massey@cs.com Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic ---- Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > I dunno. Not much comes up on a google search. I must have Google really well trained or something. The second match I got pointed to a brochure for the stuff: http://goo.gl/EibKL "For abrasive blasting, wet or dry, of Metal, Glass, Ceramics, Wood, Rubber, Plastic, Stone and other materials" Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 17:43:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7BB4052F for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FDA40408 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=j1hluu91eWIA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=DXnx0cNoAAAA:20 a=TvF0EetnAAAA:20 a=aLewt-B4Vu3BF9uZog8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=eUAefZMuQswA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:58451] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 13/B5-06772-4BA9B415; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:41:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:41:40 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave wrote: > thanks to all! it is an extremely fine powder. the question I don't get to > ask is what he was doing with it? I like the theory that it was for spark plug cleaning. "Back when", anyone with a lawnmower or chainsaw might have one of those little hand-held cleaners. And the abrasive was pretty fine, since it wasn't supposed to damage the ceramic or metal. Couldn't find a photo of the one I was thinking of, but here's an interesting relic on ebay: http://goo.gl/hqqTV Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 19:00:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5C34053A for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9814043F for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hr17so72541wib.17 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:51:22 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-proxyuser-ip:message-id:from:to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=2SuyW03OMe+g9c4q8lBlpwIMQPTYm7VD1BEhxBxNNB4=; b=QzMgQ15aSsMGrITyjf7U9eYTc1dsXHoCUbjtHUFIFM6yokFqeNPvPPHK/K4RpBxo+4 tIqKoPK9wjecQYW2+ArAxax4VJcWvp+TTN5Vp4ym6SIfpg1VpN0Se80NruDO0fHyUFHG 4svbNAD/3/xmkFPfRyEbFZB6mAiUmVZwm+zotfUVJp9XKOhClbolLk60R8IGSi9eclLo rDIxbmuHO7hoCodMHcmG8RcuDkq++X2htaLOfurDI9ddxKsP0mYl6eRsW6PNSw4RbMK5 gnmLjBKnhsb2y8YRv2GLYSaKieLQ4esY/RPxNUXYWmGl+WxL04dGqeNyrzhZgqnWTgro 4qYg== b14mr8176401wiw.21.1363913482047; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm7846422wiz.10.2013.03.21.17.51.19 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([86.29.150.91]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:51:20 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dixie4" To: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:53:01 -0000 Subject: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A good few years ago I stripped my TR4A solid axle type car down to a rolling shell and started a bare metal restoration. As many must know, business and other outside factors get in the way of a restoration so work ground to a halt back in 2003. Now ten years have passed and with my business sold I have to start up the restoration once again. Of course I am now ten years older and a sufferer of myeloma. My mobility is not as good as it should be. So, I thought to myself, I have to devise something to make the restoration easier. That is when I thought of a spit/rotisserie. Has anyone on the list ever devised a roll over spit/rotisserie that can swing a stripped out TR through 360 degrees? If they have, do they have assembly plans to share? Even a pencil sketch and approx sizes would do. On the Internet I can find ready made ones for sale for other British cars. Honestly they look very flimsy and are only for mono body shells without a separate chassis. I am sure the centre of gravity would be entirely different and the TR much heavier. However, buying one ready made would take out the fun and lighten my pocket somewhat, which is even less fun. I am fully committed to designing and making one from scratch. As it will be used only once it must be as cost effective as possible by using recycled steel box section and round tube. Even if no one on the list has actually constructed one I would like to hear any views and opinions on the idea and any suggestions as to what features should be included. Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 19:53:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738E740537 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2ED4042A for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 01:51:12 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.105] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 01:51:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 01:51:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363917072; bh=Weetg4oFqyFYzVWswWTTqI4u24kz2qwM+iLyCG82FgU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=jgCGyG6hxt7oS64KXV5n8moqYdVEiN+H6A6Js9v1cPTOyzg2/kFQAbCOw5AWvIUZelRgK4FKIxQCOEneR43zCh7LqNfKQ5Bh7txJEnhsRKHWm7YUDmAFBRrkkp5QC+Hv8fpsbxc4NKgL16FrqngisgaWxlZSQ1GZzTH7B9EV860= 1Dhoqn5Wk79MmLBjD3VIp3N9lzi4Q4ZEoYwKouD3yFCn5saJYaqYPfAJVbZM xdwG8HsIFTF1wMszYT4T10C6mQOSScpHmbxnaZ4rUmoVDTeBCnOVGaBAQkaC 8bEcXSnKsLI3BEnnGgyyrmM40BSBNEZhMgbut524IR8kAdbkVLEa3_VTAjjZ VB4xwUM_3GE7X6cL.w0gCRFHNHGb5iFU7C_2PN4Jqr13OPwq2fwpwpuYqm.x o1HdYHIZW0aTUl6YVusLRAsh2Z3edh0q0GMUmZNOtuR3igk0JHP_QtD1bBm8 mTXtH3OHUicperZa8.tMXnQj7W2_FHOqPBntdi1ku_MeLt1VkZApUxSa6EiY tBt2cwcj3Ep_lbEQAKG17q2uWKM_9RPn1y0kF4UKS_dQS8EFvF4n4g40vidO RshvP4WnG5EerxpLLBWSRNPbD7Ca9nyEFY1vzN5mlM9r.2ydJHp7_7qQkshn c_8kphx7kDOjWDFAMXu7.3jFugZEZXMvWunyS0F923W29wuNnzYhwJV92P_h MNvOi3KQW0iQvY9Q2JCyjwkyH1O.fRSuMVsQ0QVKl1dUUB502QvLmgQdueYw C.iG5Xqm7lc9.nPGvrytyh3awhmpvMvzJ6.H.9ZUMT29vSXufc0tWWsKFBGZ bCxoLMTptiPGszyIpKosbsb5E1Bv7.g-- smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 18:51:12 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dixie4'" , References: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:51:12 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4mmHnCZ5vcTCMjTI2AKkSn6T/qkQABl/GA Subject: Re: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Adrian, Don't know how involved you want to get or if you are or have acess to a good welder but here is one that will do the job nicely: http://www.autobody101.com/rotisserie_plans.pdf Or this one: http://www.mts.net/~hpokrant/Restoration_Tips/1-Rotisserie/Rotisserie.htm OR, for less money they are relatively easily made using two engine stands. A TR4 body should be light enough not to over-tax them. IF you Google Engine Stand Rotisserie you should get a good variety of designs. Hope this works for you, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dixie4 Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:53 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A A good few years ago I stripped my TR4A solid axle type car down to a rolling shell and started a bare metal restoration. As many must know, business and other outside factors get in the way of a restoration so work ground to a halt back in 2003. Now ten years have passed and with my business sold I have to start up the restoration once again. Of course I am now ten years older and a sufferer of myeloma. My mobility is not as good as it should be. So, I thought to myself, I have to devise something to make the restoration easier. That is when I thought of a spit/rotisserie. Has anyone on the list ever devised a roll over spit/rotisserie that can swing a stripped out TR through 360 degrees? If they have, do they have assembly plans to share? Even a pencil sketch and approx sizes would do. On the Internet I can find ready made ones for sale for other British cars. Honestly they look very flimsy and are only for mono body shells without a separate chassis. I am sure the centre of gravity would be entirely different and the TR much heavier. However, buying one ready made would take out the fun and lighten my pocket somewhat, which is even less fun. I am fully committed to designing and making one from scratch. As it will be used only once it must be as cost effective as possible by using recycled steel box section and round tube. Even if no one on the list has actually constructed one I would like to hear any views and opinions on the idea and any suggestions as to what features should be included. Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 20:03:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56024042A for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ED14042A for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 02:01:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.200] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 02:01:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 02:01:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363917681; bh=WwfaYLywfV9wupvt2gzOOHA3S00KSOCu8cvOxuBx2Iw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=l36+lV4x9ZKPecAA5+e4Sax7mMUv8gXbMIbcvuCdLAtMzxHKB/Cz6Qy8eL/A4ifNywCHECNQALG6C/G8yVsECfrKqXw38DRlC9fMo3J0lFZBfIl2tL44j6D9A+5VBM+Z8SoWGWMnx+cSch7rq5BDQV7unaP9L7i4VfuNICp4DMk= NGOU_8oidfS986vncy.V2X_evngeJBzkuLR5T6_dWxWqlDwmZ2WOUfNM9djm 7CrgMHCnjQ_h70Tt60itFxICORzZYUwC7PvPmGgAGnN3Hfo_SoUrw2d4sreG p.l1baOglsBCv3yHN_WLvTLvd.ZJCFR7RdNnaWtT1VvbONr03fJDsz..2Hxe VXpmqASxHuQh89H419PCJfv6qywyt1RqVIBboHoy5jAKFnPbHeibOmUQsjl0 KjLzJXgSjImqDKInF_mDE6pKVFvVFbmN2DmzW67b6d8KhB45DBatiz9EGvlC lk42__9MKlCYMzJVYXDcnyGFb0H0MIq08w2eLup_C6ry.64xDF8Bn8jdUydx 8YRXCCGtfGVFXMEijVzgp2oNEsv2RxHjhTgoU3066t88sqmuLowF0y.3A1fl 8G9hVpK7TFeyC4ataIqeRffLUSAaAaKGOfdniJ0eAwG7DJEaQS20Iyeohcnk BirWp02sj7ZBBp1aqWcxHnYopmvyoyErDoDvwgAOKC8zB_QY81.Parqie2nQ - smtp209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 19:01:20 -0700 PDT From: To: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:01:27 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4moSYOBnAUnstKTfK6u1v2xM3pmw== Subject: [TR] TR3 water Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone sell a re-build kit for the original TR3 water pumps? Bearings, shaft & vanes are all excellent, i just need the rubber bits. I see Moss & TRF have the pump for about $80, TRF lists a kit but no cost given. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 20:20:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D9240E37 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CBF40420 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.98.70]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id ESJ11l00C1X71r201SJ2kw; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:18:04 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Dixie4'" , References: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:18:29 -0400 Thread-Index: AQDisg57HPTx7J+OmJB6m+oJh+FBI5qH4pdg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Last year I bought some panels from Joe Richards in Ohio. He had a rotisserie he had used on TS1 and was looking to sell it. Don't know if it would work for a TR4 or if it even still available, but you may want to ask him. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dixie4 Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:53 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A A good few years ago I stripped my TR4A solid axle type car down to a rolling shell and started a bare metal restoration. As many must know, business and other outside factors get in the way of a restoration so work ground to a halt back in 2003. Now ten years have passed and with my business sold I have to start up the restoration once again. Of course I am now ten years older and a sufferer of myeloma. My mobility is not as good as it should be. So, I thought to myself, I have to devise something to make the restoration easier. That is when I thought of a spit/rotisserie. Has anyone on the list ever devised a roll over spit/rotisserie that can swing a stripped out TR through 360 degrees? If they have, do they have assembly plans to share? Even a pencil sketch and approx sizes would do. On the Internet I can find ready made ones for sale for other British cars. Honestly they look very flimsy and are only for mono body shells without a separate chassis. I am sure the centre of gravity would be entirely different and the TR much heavier. However, buying one ready made would take out the fun and lighten my pocket somewhat, which is even less fun. I am fully committed to designing and making one from scratch. As it will be used only once it must be as cost effective as possible by using recycled steel box section and round tube. Even if no one on the list has actually constructed one I would like to hear any views and opinions on the idea and any suggestions as to what features should be included. Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 01:40:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E7B40552 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB3840444 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:39:32 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=j1hluu91eWIA:10 a=4-W1UGihAAAA:20 a=fycwTZZkAAAA:20 a=sJWWHyPyAAAA:20 a=tu9cblKYAAAA:20 a=Ftf92jHzU-OnehHx_BYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rsyPXQ7QyPsA:10 a=_u8S5lh8YWAA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BB/85-06772-74A0C415; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:37:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:37:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4mmHRlyXxfeKilSkKGE+CZB1/swgANsh7Q Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The > grit size used was more of granulated sugar size sort of > 40/60 grit size at a guess. Does seem to be a lot of variation in recommended grit. Most of the sites I found selling "spark plug" media don't specify the grit, but the few I found ranged from 80 grit http://goo.gl/hp0K3 All the way to 600 http://goo.gl/Dtd2N Obviously doesn't prove anything, but 100 grit clearly falls in the range. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 02:56:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AF540552 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:56:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F6B403C5 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hq4so7498053wib.12 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:48:18 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-proxyuser-ip:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=kvjIznA0NRie9IQZOM3XR4xTNpjpbqqChFI5PF3DURg=; b=Za+9WQJojQ3ezXUa+x99XChU6NmODi5Q5jBCaXoTofzurD0H6H2kSDYSEjc8Oad4NV KNEf6ivfNeDSvszWtLllE4KCb33OV437XL0AhWuyi1LbqCtrIJQe5i9wYdVS0r1JFDA5 2U1w8hcS4dvjrCTSN2dyvbA0XTtOsqVRi9HxZJark4gU4YRMOjhh4MUr6WPI/cAL0dZ5 zCGUNWNxP9TBAW0Cu6fUSzidfoQxiyaqRXEJaIiQD28xqT2KKQGsD+NQTEo0HpnX1/WS S6CoUK3X+NAAvf69VNNWOPOKAXZHhLh2Pn8inFoQgrz4n/lmUu/P+jpKLOJFsVSxRb9U vTYg== el8mr9762622wib.22.1363942098542; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex1sm1936589wib.7.2013.03.22.01.48.16 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([86.9.239.196]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:48:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dixie4" To: "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <006501ce26a3$8eefd490$accf7db0$@uprichard.net> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:49:58 -0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew many thanks for your reply. A great suggestion and if I was Stateside it would certainly be worth following up. Being in UK though is a little too far from Ohio. Thanks again for taking the trouble to reply. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Dixie4'" ; Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 2:18 AM Subject: RE: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A > Last year I bought some panels from Joe Richards in Ohio. He had a > rotisserie he had used on TS1 and was looking to sell it. Don't know if > it > would work for a TR4 or if it even still available, but you may want to > ask > him. > > Andrew Uprichard > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dixie4 > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:53 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Roll over Spit/Rotisserie for a TR4A > > A good few years ago I stripped my TR4A solid axle type car down to a > rolling shell and started a bare metal restoration. As many must know, > business and other outside factors get in the way of a restoration so work > ground to a halt back in 2003. > Now ten years have passed and with my business sold I have to start up the > restoration once again. > Of course I am now ten years older and a sufferer of myeloma. My mobility > is > not as good as it should be. So, I thought to myself, I have to devise > something to make the restoration easier. That is when I thought of a > spit/rotisserie. > > Has anyone on the list ever devised a roll over spit/rotisserie that can > swing a stripped out TR through 360 degrees? > > If they have, do they have assembly plans to share? Even a pencil sketch > and > approx sizes would do. > > On the Internet I can find ready made ones for sale for other British > cars. > Honestly they look very flimsy and are only for mono body shells without a > separate chassis. I am sure the centre of gravity would be entirely > different and the TR much heavier. However, buying one ready made would > take > out the fun and lighten my pocket somewhat, which is even less fun. I am > fully committed to designing and making one from scratch. As it will be > used > only once it must be as cost effective as possible by using recycled steel > box section and round tube. > > Even if no one on the list has actually constructed one I would like to > hear > any views and opinions on the idea and any suggestions as to what features > should be included. > > Adrian > 1966 TR4A CT64306 O > Wales UK > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6180 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 03:17:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A83400AD for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64745403C6 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8b84b.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.184.75]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MK200AXD1Q7AD50@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:16:42 -0400 From: George Richardson To: Triumphs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 Subject: [TR] Justin Wagner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone know what up with Justin Wagner? Last summer I tried emailing him about a gasket for my TR3 and got no response. Now I see that his web site is down. I'd still like to get a gasket for the TR3 and one for the TR6. -- George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 03:26:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767040E16 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E004003E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18b8b84b.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.184.75]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MK20088W1UWHA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:19:31 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20130321223149.G7AUE.103550.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 Subject: Re: [TR] Lift-a-dot studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've replated them with nickle and it merges with the original plating, so I'm guessing nickle is correct. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 3/21/2013 6:31 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > >> My questions are: do they make a stud with a longer thread and does anyone >> have two they would sell me? > Yes, TRF sells them under part number 552670. On sale at the moment, so I'm reasonably confident they have them in stock (or will soon). > > On a side note, many of the old studs I have seem to have a darker, yellower finish than chrome; more like nickel or maybe German silver. Anyone know what the originals were plated with? > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 04:35:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5584E4052F for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E43C40395 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id dr12so321589wgb.23 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-proxyuser-ip:message-id:from:to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=14y6W3RbbNOw5v763qKVT91Vv9N5gN1skNSRARrGVBc=; b=WOvcvZX3itgaWzcY2QQoPY4RxBI+7klf729EIYMrcuXvFGnk7ZMeB7sOYobXUEzPI/ Mxlbut6Q8IcVejpIu+HJASIpor2HpRmqNKQ7c3AGUXpJghbLfeBmh5m7QULv35TCT2Te o63f5u6bBNNi/JPzXTodrCkKKbRHoUbmN5jv0fSljSTRa0OObbCtXI3MXBcWwrAsrxsI 7oOmwDy1aJS9OotmrVBhFQDmjVfQHIUDRNrZ8QvZa6IyJ3sHlEh08Y9/imvJYGntx5yc h8bMofCqXAxYvBx/C/PfiF04NeX2SnFJ1RW+OtgXdV0ou205BYTTzbiCXn7z4YLk1jTS O/uA== ld9mr2048855wjb.24.1363948365060; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ej8sm9887379wib.9.2013.03.22.03.32.42 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([86.9.239.196]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:32:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dixie4" To: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:34:24 -0000 Subject: [TR] Roll over spit /rotissorie for TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well guys The List to the rescue yet again. It still amazes me the wealth of knowledge on The List and of course the old saying many heads are better than one when trawling the internet. I have been working on this idea of a spit for a couple of weeks and had not really got anywhere into seeing how others tackled the construction and design. Now in one email I have numerous options, plans and even cutting lists! WOW!!! Thanks, thanks, and even more thanks to all who responded. Bill Beech has posted a couple of links which are invaluable and both could outline a basis for my own version. The first I find over engineered but superb if it was for multiple use in a business environment. The second seems more to the idea I was formulating and with a few personal tweaks could be a winner. Dave H has proposed the idea of two engine stands. It is so simple and brilliant, if I was Stateside. In the US you have/had those huge cast iron V8 engines and that is the kind of loading they are designed for. The equivalent stands available here in UK are positively flimsy and would not take anywhere near the weight. But I am looking to see if someone markets one in UK for heavier engines such as in the Jaguar V12 for instance or even small truck engines. With this kind of set up using two engine stands most of the construction would be already done by a a worker in China who works for a handful of rice a day. Meaning it would probably be more cost effective than making a couple of the basic stands myself, not a sleight against the Chinese. Once I have figured the basic construction of the main units, mounting to the chassis is the next issue. The front is simple with beefed up replicas of the standard chassis to front panel brackets. Then bolted to a cross beam taking into account the curve of the front panel. So far so good pretty straight forward I am thinking. The mounting at the rear of the car has got me stumped at the moment. As I said before I have no intention of separating the body and chassis and I have only the original holes and mountings to work with and it surprises me to realize how little holds the back bumper on the car. Maybe I should think out of the box and consider picking up on the spring mounts (car is live axle not IRS) Any ideas Guys? Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 05:35:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2C14053F for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7DF4051C for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:28:55 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=CZhAJbgv3ykA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=uEdLcabJYxUA:10 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=t46mxXql6x-NHq7BCNwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:48437] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C0/0F-25887-8004C415; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:27:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:27:05 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: George Richardson References: <514C217A.2020101@key-men.com> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Justin Wagner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net George, I saw a post on the 6 pack forum a few months ago from Justin and he says he is currently not in the gasket business due to day job requirements. He is not sure when or if his gasket business will resume. I guess I am lucky, I have his gaskets on all my 3 Triumphs. Bob On 03/22/2013 05:16 AM, George Richardson wrote: > Anyone know what up with Justin Wagner? > > Last summer I tried emailing him about a gasket for my TR3 and got no > response. > > Now I see that his web site is down. > > I'd still like to get a gasket for the TR3 and one for the TR6. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 06:20:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E6E42451 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CDE4051C for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5CDB11C00005A for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.201]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1E623E000086 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:08:17 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363954097; bh=R16CTARc0ahlGxgv/bMtS+qvSUsrO5SJmiDkKYh6zNg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t2M1EN1jBDs59vbLZHUWu3yYnr+uXFXwm8HI8LT5QxwXW0XwFvBkY2XADDVNQ5faq H/ldcfYhFZiis+UVPKWIuD6mg8hRanCpf0jO9tvNO41yNkxZkllEzb/qIGiQFqd82T 6ymk2lZG1K0/ZvA1kIMBdF12B7cMj63Zxyq9PRHc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d514c49b133e3 Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Cool. I guess I need to be more specific with the search terms. Dave In a message dated 3/21/2013 5:23:27 PM Central Daylight Time, tr3driver@ca.rr.com writes: > I must have Google really well trained or something. The second match I > got pointed to a brochure for the stuff: > http://goo.gl/EibKL > "For abrasive blasting, wet or dry, of Metal, Glass, Ceramics, Wood, > Rubber, Plastic, Stone and other materials" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 06:35:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8183640E45 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCE540359 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8EF011C00019E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.201]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 424AFE000087 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:33:00 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1363955580; bh=4YmzXhXq+RREXNYsUlJt+VASet+wUgxguL0c3IWcQL8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sJ86F0X/pGWLpmIxtBmDYszCC+hDqLiPp6nvOS0Phf4BRMEPKL8szkbJUbU1W0kuD OYWjlOj2IjvhsVbHDpCL0HuQuKvlsXRJYmFRnRDp9eDV+9rKYnCAV2d6mvd9RZuoRN BTVSrfDCcI1iIyrHGfW545o+yROQ9lPvbMzK/+eE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c514c4f7c3c45 Subject: Re: [TR] Roll over spit /rotissorie for TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Adrian, I would take a close look at the rear bumper mounts. I'm thinking a 2x3 box beam with a couple short pieces to space the beam out from the rear metalwork and a handful of long bolts. That's how it would work on a TR6, anyway. Your TR4 may be different, however, but the bumper mounts would be plenty robust for this task. Dave In a message dated 3/22/2013 5:32:54 AM Central Daylight Time, dixie4.wales@virgin.net writes: > Once I have figured the basic construction of the main units, mounting to > the > chassis is the next issue. The front is simple with beefed up replicas of > the > standard chassis to front panel brackets. Then bolted to a cross beam > taking > into account the curve of the front panel. So far so good pretty straight > forward I am thinking. The mounting at the rear of the car has got me > stumped > at the moment. As I said before I have no intention of separating the body > and > chassis and I have only the original holes and mountings to work with and > it > surprises me to realize how little holds the back bumper on the car. Maybe > I > should think out of the box and consider picking up on the spring mounts > (car > is live axle not IRS) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 07:09:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F71842571 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582C44053D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [96.238.190.118]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MK200GVPCFFOD10@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:06:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:06:50 -0400 References: <8f6b.65590361.3e7b306e@aol.com> To: Jim Henningsen Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found a nice article on the VTR web site that puts a good light on the TR Synchro problems. Written by Bill Kelly. http://www.vtr.org/maintain/synchromesh.shtml Pay close attention to paragraph 3. The tension of the spring loaded balls determines how much pressure is applied to the brass rings and then to the gear. Weak springs and not enough pressure to match the speed of the gears. The higher the RPM when shifting and the more work they need to do. The springs are cheap and easy to replace while doing the tranny. Dean Tetterton On Mar 20, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: > List: > I have a jtype od transmission that was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Started > having third gear grinding issues on hard acceleration and deceleration (auto > cross and spirited driving) so had new German made brass synchros installed > about 2 years ago. Got rid of Taiwanese synchros installed during original > rebuild as we thought that was the issue. The new German synchros didn't solve > the problem. The tranny shifts fine at lower rpms, but when I goose it and > want powershifts it grinds slightly going into third (from second and fourth) > and a little on the hard down shifts in second. Hard shifts are revving up to > 5500 rpms. The clutch was rebuilt about 10 years ago with a Borg and beck, > and guest throw out bearing. Clutch looked fine when we inspected on latest > synchro change. > > Any ideas what this could be? > > Thanks, > Jim Henningsen > Ocala, FL > 75 TR6 > 62 TR4 > > Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 07:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9A342571 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f177.google.com (mail-ye0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE040542 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m12so85825yen.36 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:31:00 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=h6IWw0ITWK8J6wGognHUxPxyf/c00QJ9yxWxNCl3stg=; b=UfxPUJJr3Js1tZh34iu4TWoRWWtd+46TKUV/l5eR75d9Hwdypg0RNNRbTaLsKdGgT4 zVTDI0k+66PQGkvVybyFhBugQHs3N4RKqYsirurGpiZsGLk/jOBiMjgf0I7Dvvb5ic4T Xawutb/rlutCi4vkbYcWAW9QUkNqfBvjj/L0YxPHFfvxW960E7NBlwTM8qWjx2Bpcs0Z d6mWR0DmljDs0hXL2/eopiKfmgpk97msnsxXYAuZeCAnRz80IKp0++Cr6ah9L4wiAeo8 DyGqMa8xfNBFPkFt7fMUflZx7gSFM1ZXX72clM8iWn+Ei9DqgbkPjWeNVa337XEB33Yv zmSw== x26mr936676yhg.70.1363959060007; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.252.207.193] (252.sub-174-228-195.myvzw.com. [174.228.195.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s21sm2727331yhc.20.2013.03.22.06.30.57 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:30:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <8f6b.65590361.3e7b306e@aol.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:30:55 -0400 To: Dean Tetterton Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Transmission Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dean and all, Thanks for the replies on my tranny woes. Looks like another pull the box out and have it checked. Think I will wait until the summer Florida heat. Too much good driving weather right now. All the best, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL Sent from my iPad On Mar 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Dean Tetterton wrote: > I found a nice article on the VTR web site that puts a good light on > the TR Synchro problems. Written by Bill Kelly. > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/synchromesh.shtml > > Pay close attention to paragraph 3. The tension of the spring loaded > balls determines how much pressure is applied to the brass rings and > then to the gear. Weak springs and not enough pressure to match the > speed of the gears. The higher the RPM when shifting and the more > work they need to do. The springs are cheap and easy to replace while > doing the tranny. > > Dean Tetterton > > On Mar 20, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: > >> List: >> I have a jtype od transmission that was rebuilt about 8 years ago. Started >> having third gear grinding issues on hard acceleration and deceleration (auto >> cross and spirited driving) so had new German made brass synchros installed >> about 2 years ago. Got rid of Taiwanese synchros installed during original >> rebuild as we thought that was the issue. The new German synchros didn't solve >> the problem. The tranny shifts fine at lower rpms, but when I goose it and >> want powershifts it grinds slightly going into third (from second and fourth) >> and a little on the hard down shifts in second. Hard shifts are revving up to >> 5500 rpms. The clutch was rebuilt about 10 years ago with a Borg and beck, >> and guest throw out bearing. Clutch looked fine when we inspected on latest >> synchro change. >> >> Any ideas what this could be? >> >> Thanks, >> Jim Henningsen >> Ocala, FL >> 75 TR6 >> 62 TR4 >> >> Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 08:36:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE68242269 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421B740542 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:31:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id oJ03Yb4VZ9CWOEYE for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:28:36 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:28:36 -0700 Thread-Topic: Morning commute Thread-Index: Ac4nCYgcMRLLTficQEGKeYQPhWy1ZQ== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Morning commute Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Southbound 101, Gaviota coast, dawn, strong offshore wind... Yeah, I LOVE having an open sports car! Peter Arakelian, 1971 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 18:01:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A35040E9B for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484F94009A for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:00:47 -0600 (MDT) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=iVf73YY-VpMA:10 a=J8dGCdKRZP5sjpjexq8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NwlLeuMkgAHbWUwGDmEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JGCeo5lwDCbmRkTf:21 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:56838] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 26/D8-11869-6339F415; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:58:46 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:58:46 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A Torque values needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I cannot find any information in my TR4A manuals for the bolt torque values for 2 locations. Probably the same as for a TR6 but I donbt have that manual. 1. The lower A Arm to A Arm Brackets that attach to the frame. 2. The A-Arm through bolt to trunnion location. Or does this get assembled like the older TR 3 and 4 system by tightening to 5 ft. pounds and then backing off a few flats and inserting the cotter pin? Thanks, JVV ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 20:38:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F574424B6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com [17.172.220.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB42140532 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-70-220.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.70.220]) by st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MK70070Z38F6P50@st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:36:21 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-25_01:2013-03-22,2013-03-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1303240359 From: Darrell Walker Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:36:15 -0700 References: <532A490D1E3E4989A15293EA1F463E6B@UserTHINK> To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Torque values needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jerry, I dug this out of my archives: > Thanks to Rich Rock for sending: > >> >> Torque specs from the Bentley TR250 and TR6 manual: >> >> Lower wishbone mounting bracket to frame 20-25 lb/ft >> Lower wishbone to mounting bracket............38-46 lb/ft >> Lower wishbone to vertical link.....................50-65 lb/ft >> > > Which brings up another question. I assume "Lower wishbone to vertical > link" means the bolt through the trunnion. I've always used the TR4 > instructions (5 lbs then back off a flat), since the Bently/Factory manual > is pretty much mute on the whole 4A front suspension. 50-65 is a big > difference, might explain why I wear trunnions out. Can anyone with a 250/6 > manual tell me if this area should be lubricated at all during assembly? Or > is anyone willing to scan and post (or send me, and I can put it up) the > relevant sections of the 250/6 manual for the front suspension? > > Thanks, > Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 15:08:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9745B4052F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE74A4042C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.106.202]) by p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Gl3M1l0034N2C4N01l3MiU; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:03:23 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:03:26 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4rLlxzgg6m29iMTNeqgOZy9I6UeQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? No rude answers, please ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 15:13:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5D640E37 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18C40420 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:10:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:10:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:10:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 96687 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2013 21:10:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364418649; bh=hpD/xpjYIiGL7ot2N7HPMB44t2jkZRaUA9tRfyau0IM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bjjXJQtqXzbc8sjOzVHTWotsfZFRzc5vqWBeGVo6o6nQFLZd415DdsH8rXsGUQd+Mf67eOoe5uXEZ4/VAioxtSRnP793DfXMZCfQ8dJoq8OLcbJw8t1XgV8p1adFe6J0wc+umSftMl9N76O6ENLQSD/QSLK0wzXZYNjhMeSZ3js= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2F9sJrXrRvp328oUUbvzIrc1LVvfjQXU179wds8hkzIPLEKTV++7ZzNwksfIfrEDiu4pqp3VGNxvE1kED1+0qjEOpxdEIVlpwJ46Myt/6APFkmFd2FBKQw/NiTY8OPJtyXJGCQfAfz08GtkfEENM8A3EjbtTtwZw28jYxBW3ZP8=; QQzYud5KbaRg2qwKfSLDkjea9ZJlgOJjSYtMV2kAhOsH5IfQdBZiD.Q01AmZ Tjp_r4USw7bhG8LKtVaetdmhGMbsEPVcQ0CBhqlDFDXQkAN9BTnITnbwvQIH W6CqEbEG9SW7xf9q62zNE4oVFTq8.z8P_tIUpdfm6Asspdubo33lcBkQz2c8 r18axVG5sIk0KV9hOjO4CKcMmI9oPepnTt2N34IV3e.qugvMn_AWqetl.pjC dpkM7VVKSqwXqET4bMlTk7NhXeOX3zIbXbnZPREEkZ40d88biapuDS5oKiib H9KcMfRX0DUm7T6KQKMi4TB5KlMx9fSsv_HOWNPhdnbtB24qcqqkAPPEAiXe smkOYw9E9XPPCaqUtV552bqov10Nt4XoIO0fNSabr9E28VtBIexLUWlkiA5V NF7DO2Sj323blSguo.JlMcwnmaZyI2WHrsVVka6J3R7LCRiBv8REH4_C.jPE 9Ymzh3QmGSeQFHTZJXxPv Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:10:48 PDT b25seSBldmVyIGRvbmUgaXQgYnkgaGFuZC4gCnN1cmdpY2FsIGdsb3ZlcyBhIG11c3QKwqAKRnJhbmsKCkZyb206IEFuZHJldyBVcHJpY2hhcmQgPGF1cHJpY2hhcmRAdXByaWNoYXJkLm5ldD4KVG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIE1hcmNoIDI3LCAyMDEzIDI6MDMgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBXaGVlbCBiZWFyaW5nIGdyZWFzZSBwYWNrZXIKCkRvZXMgYW55b25lIG91dCB0aGVyZSBoYXZlIGV4cGVyaWVuY2Ugb2YsIG9yIHJlY29tbWVuZGF0aW9ucyBmb3IsIGEBMAEBAQE- References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Andrew Uprichard , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net only ever done it by hand. surgical gloves a must Frank From: Andrew Uprichard To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? No rude answers, please ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 15:15:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AC04044A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A56240420 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id c11so11073455ieb.29 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=pnTyBd3dh+Fbx8MQd8QzF1qHClZ2iJbedHLUDIYpVLA=; b=gOnzi0bvmKn99bFfXXWi1PTq6YqYcf2cy2ndwsPU8eQozpHLRERBTNp3r8hwph7ACq jz9dDhD7XuGN7MIhGO8hFCXSaBPl3GGakaqUPcraDonlaC0eF6W1YFCSMJhdTq1WPV47 DE7DxrbEJQDv3WXuhhdigfZG24WdjcaQGcr+QxF55wXsY6jFsOC3SQ/ZSiPb6f/Vy5uB 78GaiD6RCzBkd3/l7bl0gMUOkK5HDExHteG7ydw6gxmX4WZFvizAXM2RpKTXDo533eJ9 uNY0fZgLEyU6LPlipI/bitxzXqlwfA3s2igEy26YjCyG8EvzYwLgBYmWRX+CkJj5Ex8W Li5g== fo2mr12711702icc.41.1364418756658; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.161.164 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:12:36 +0000 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All done by hand or fingers really. Don't over fill the grease as you will be dirtying those nice wheels. Ask me how I know!!! Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK A On 27 March 2013 21:03, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel > bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? > > > > No rude answers, please ! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 15:17:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351B640569 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1742A40420 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2071A073A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:17:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:17:21 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I put grease and bearing into a plastic bag and massage away. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 15:24:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E2840420 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8866B4009A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:18:05 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.63] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:18:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:18:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364419085; bh=ITTqwYlmHMj4t4QTJCnthgRNr/QMztL0LBED4/vEoNg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=UDaPGKf0h4X1ltROm2RsjNH3j33vJbASD45+vfGttCAdXMH1LUTxnWvWKAdfDHqppdJH134BU0rQopFC9beoYlsDfGRLUHKTNRX2k1M4MkSRYKg+o0RM1v/ILo5OUgytfKeR/tzQmefXG/cbwk4hy7NATo+zR0B5FjzaThLkZS4= gXLf6T.FFUgQdAKMdB61Y6Z79XeeLLzwL4MoCDlqANbeCu6LegVN1KinrGFe KL4BMk82.hm74S5fLRO77Ao.TBGK5whjGjXOjPJLvQ2PIqW5QLEmKnQFcVzE pXEGaR1Hs9Kug7JeDEPkHsUekdf058wU8JIUogwlsXJpXwROApJZ4iOW7z89 x6MtsRih1mj25erPNDDjerxSeOQSVwlwgzfm0gwsBLxoWlBcvGLmmb0zwgFU 13iuIEtCquhDgxbVBK5ofQicAsddsl9PEKtXizemFEV5V_r7EQZeG65JJi0P 2o18piOPs6U4j2PM687TqRIf9iD3Eq.ZAwYJMrgEynYcMtGpHrkAwWw2_jnv Xtnd.SwBvG.8AvSYnho3WeyVcxVvkhFb6y9mEHLpYr_R9jJkdH.7qgHrqcZv VpoP6TPtnMfM_voC68Wk9FxDHNIhI_V.RNB.nSJLvc29STeyh_7o5DcHxt3V cDkJrRoBZUzKjOzbCByFUvzHKW.YVQqhpy51cLYH62nDhWGXi_R.fHv2BgF2 u2TXlaJoAVoefTesf_x4LHWZqOA-- smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2013 14:18:05 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:17:49 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4rLlxzgg6m29iMTNeqgOZy9I6UeQAAfJBA Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Always by hand. If you have wires, spread some clear silicone over the spoke ends to keep excess bearing grease from seeping out onto your spokes. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:03 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? No rude answers, please ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 15:24:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE24540E11 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C6F4006D for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:19:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.174] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:19:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2013 21:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8102 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2013 21:19:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364419192; bh=EyHfTDCHH5WD4TTdvzgs4/HmzlXsslm2HBEbyka6DF0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XbOZuz/3uvRGiguFI+vp6Opc1la7fxvH4f1HozRi8zIwR41Jr9HuYl7ct5DP2Nn98WWczNBEP1CauXYeNa+r+nH/H7xC1vmN8dKiBubJrBn8LctCpNdkJjFJ3KlMAQuJ4n8tg0pR8RRfNbR2zAPV3tLQUJnF65bjxPwokQBUTxs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aWtp40K4S/5CEM5nt3V5uMMUucRYJosjhDzla1JIFYTP6F5jUAWJLU1sBZwg7GH4ltbhENB5gWOL+sgkVAZGO+2cYb3b+W6w9NhB0+pmYGeGEmfe+el5jfDGQ5UhUOlJ3GN2SyN9ROz0LFFBttJouMLXiLsrvkW4Y/UoO323IBg=; dKzoNZEMVUeUsYp0TXUQWH9cVUv3Qijo5XB8zqjaWJJhBhTR_qe2F5Y3nsSu oXpbNX2Ss5r77P6UKn2MWGxLZ83r8iDhciNooz8k7WsLnKquT7RDXBduv0a2 cKRGwJd_rV1IRc1AxoqcZOiEtcccMkm2yESeKluTrYIvJo24kr1hfnhDdTwO ULRsCufiSXj2doKc.zrmlrG.OidvET04XR6.eyVxK2hpxDE3OzG.AYQZslCI TOOCjYSSUequTZoilD9xp4yp1X2TTCeRJMHW.0XXor4n.3bGGti7celL4Rx5 c4.KmiG4ezwckF4uY9iQ3ZY6hHvkmiljILK3rgTcRgD5hiPlPy8XQ3VqNxTi PS__o4m0gmbo5tBhXDTh3agTvVeU_M3_KdQnjkvMvEgkwkO7ovm9tp9gubO. SOZhBaV4NU5_OXvaJU9gM9VAhkXF_x_z4JMkVQGvwAHyZ6hwL9nT3G2LYuBa A5Za1Cj8nrXOcOxlP.G4y5H42qdbYiyc57niz1hGTSYXjUB0J9VRoQp3k5W8 ULFcX9g9iEVnjYMk3JSeiR8DKKEPDW9j4eAAJZX6U9XC.ZSE- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:19:51 PDT CgphbmQgbWFzc2FnZSBhd2F5Li4uLi4uLi5PSCBNYXJrLCBtYXliZSBpIHNob3VsZCBoYXZlIHlvdSBjb21lIGJ5IG15IGhvdXNlISEhCgpGcm9tOiBNYXJrIEogQnJhZGFraXMgPG1hcmtAYnJhZGFraXMuY29tPgpUbzogdHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgTWFyY2ggMjcsIDIwMTMgMjoxNyBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RSXSBXaGVlbCBiZWFyaW5nIGdyZWFzZSBwYWNrZXIKCkkgcHV0IGdyZWFzZSBhbmQgYmVhcmluZyBpbnRvIGEgcGxhc3RpYyBiYWcgYW5kIG1hc3MBMAEBAQE- References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> <515361E1.5080707@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Mark J Bradakis , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net and massage away........OH Mark, maybe i should have you come by my house!!! From: Mark J Bradakis To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer I put grease and bearing into a plastic bag and massage away. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 16:30:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652604282F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A454246F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130327222759.XIJU10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:27:59 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id GmTn1l0023enFnk05mTnua; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:27:59 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=-fwmrPpi9skA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Oenxz96rCnQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=R-nwecK7W3jiP5MPg5sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:27:46 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJZFSbmgLFzA9BMTb7EknmV01Ar9ZekRvMw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I do have a bearing packer - it looks like two flying saucers, one bigger than the other. It also has been in the cabinet, unused for 5 years, even though we re-did all of the wheel bearings on at least 4 hay wagons last year. Of course, I was also trying to teach a new student employee how to pack bearings by hand. One of the biggest challenges in a multi-use shop is to keep lubrication tools clean and free of any contaminants. I sometimes worry that a bearing packer can get contaminated by a blast of gritty wind. Another issue is that unless you can buy the same type of grease from year to year, you may end up mixing different types of greases in the packer unless it is fully cleaned each time it is used. With the availability of inexpensive latex shop gloves, I find that packing bearings by hand is really not an issue as far as contact with grease goes. That's something you think about as time advances. It would be interesting to see what factories use for bearing packing. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:03 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? No rude answers, please ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 17:14:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8BF42841 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE494246F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id jh10so1740844pab.10 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:11:25 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3vpt82YFPb2I6PwRdom/ciW694MYhxtTLJE2SpfwCps=; b=f0n57iYNa9iUTMX/YOCHGepaiPY2ncFu1sWR9Sze5G/y8odfSn3TE1qVh1ypZEErg/ 2tK/w9msrnEqZ8n3PEV55A5v4H7a+MAnh/9+1ODc3NMH03nrYMo3E9j9zs5L03VXTkV7 dS9YKDBKTQxUF/ED/dPk2q5WNrtNXEcPeOFeOd9zjiXvQ6Cu64hQiDjlefCU23qDfTxz acz2jTrwDYm/Zw3aG/Dhi1kiEkDNiAtvmsR5obnQ/25iK+OiySuxiVTb54zLJr5EaKO3 ixZqxSnaxacsehVRD4DiAG2hZwVOk++pXtWu3Z7FkeaxM+CvOf4QVwkg2dUCxVTuUWYs etSw== p1mr32687275pbk.19.1364425885323; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-47-34.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.47.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qa6sm22972763pbc.46.2013.03.27.16.11.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:11:19 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: Triumph List References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> <000c01ce2b3a$4ed284c0$ec778e40$@charter.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/27/13 3:27 PM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote: > I do have a bearing packer - it looks like two flying saucers, one bigger > than the other. I have one like that too > It also has been in the cabinet, unused for 5 years, I think mine is closer to 10+ years. Every time I went to use it I had to clean grunge off of it from the film left behind last time I used it. And when I finished using the tool I seemed to get just as greasy using it as I did packing the bearings by hand and it takes about 3 times longer with the cleaning and setting it up & tare down of the assembly. Ummm Ignore that. It is a really fine precision tool that no one should be without. I have one slightly used and a slightly pre greased that I would reluctantly let go for say $25 plus shipping. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 18:13:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A28427E5 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96CE4035A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Oenxz96rCnQA:10 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=Kj4KRBtGggY_fELLGLgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:48193] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E7/92-11869-22983515; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:04:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 0:04:50 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Andrew Uprichard Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel > bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? > > No rude answers, please ! So ... you didn't want to know what I thought of it? FWIW, I am becoming increasingly fond of wearing nitrile gloves from HF. They're only a couple of cents apiece, and now come in several different thicknesses. For packing bearings, I just don a pair of the thinnest (and cheapest) ones, then pack the bearing the old fashioned way by smearing grease across my left palm and scraping it off with the edge of the roller cage. When you're all done, and the bearing is in place, just peel off the gloves and drop them in the car. I still don't wear them for everything, but they work great for packing bearings. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 18:19:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DEB42841 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8497F40547 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8eIl-1UXKmo1TtL-00w2LQ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:17:18 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <00a101ce2b2e$879b1260$96d13720$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:17:47 -0400 UT1clOvuZMWOCuCvI+WO4Qh05lGYw4QQ/idrhKxmV0RlcbExO4 MhD+fIqPGkIlLxATq6y1n4Nxbn1/h+A1Qlpu5A1IN2FTEHiqV0 DyZ+LVkdvRgvSs2RSmOIGPgLkKCi7xU6ZWK/VRPEjDwzzjSCIs a0V1CbNtiqiJo4Q6tWo0eNCmVzib0OwddtdqWMYJQy3X67WV82 C5ihHHutHCwjCXa5GYJPL0RVvWqYuP1y7JelKkB3KufY9jbYT6 +aO7N5LmArRA7dakgi35hXuZPibFe/wSOZF0asJi3awUiz7etw gwflFWaN6vAmvHa25I7pl3LC7/M47p8QI3Jjlulqw Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Last year I went searching for a good video on packing wheel bearings...... and I found this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYiA53vcxA ........... great for both the humor factor and the technique....... though I do recommend real clean hands or latex/nitrile gloves........ pay attention to the "banter" with the camera lady. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:03 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Does anyone out there have experience of, or recommendations for, a wheel bearing grease packer? Or do you all do it by hand? No rude answers, please ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 19:37:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0654282F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E050A42451 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130328013501.MWT10448.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:35:01 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.136.73]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Gpb11l00E1bBNls05pb1B1; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:35:01 -0400 a=U5i5Hhmc1+/VMcVkPPorPg==:17 a=f5b0H3g8muEA:10 a=-fwmrPpi9skA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Oenxz96rCnQA:10 a=Kj4KRBtGggY_fELLGLgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=U5i5Hhmc1+/VMcVkPPorPg==:117 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:35:03 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: "tri >> *Triumphs List" References: <20130328000450.10V7A.130596.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/27/2013 8:04 PM, Randall wrote: > I just don a pair of the thinnest (and cheapest) ones, then pack the bearing the old fashioned way by smearing grease across my left palm and scraping it off with the edge of the roller cage. When you're all done, and the bearing is in place, just peel off the gloves and drop them in the car. That doesn't sound too good for the upholstery... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 20:06:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDCF42801 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40A642451 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Oenxz96rCnQA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=1mx3u8OBlH8_Ob4pbHkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:53151] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 60/55-25887-705A3515; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:03:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 2:03:51 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Wheel bearing grease packer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeff wrote: > > That doesn't sound too good for the upholstery... Yup, meant to type can, not car. Wonder if that's why my computer crashed just then? I wasn't even sure the email had gotten out first. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 07:05:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989D0424D8 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C4340EDA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:04:48 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=n2fbUZwtez4A:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=7YFBFnuWpAwA:10 a=qxr5E868kZgSFWLqVfEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=F_LWGPzUeh8HjeMHKw8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=cAOY2LF_pySvoMkj:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50005] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id CF/A5-07167-1E095515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:02:25 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:04:54 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Easter everyone, I woke up at 5:00 AM this morning like it was a work day.. Been up to no good since then looking at what I still need for my TR4A. According to my list, I need a electric fan for the radiator and have settled on a Hayden 12 inch unit. Turns out I can get one at my local Reily Autoparts with the controller. I am going to pick that up today so I have it for when I start installing my wire harness (supposed to ship the end of next week from Advanced Auto-Wire). I was just wondering if there is a preference as to mounting the fan as a pusher or puller? Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 07:22:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC174284B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6258540EDA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MOwCV-1UGK9a1zwV-006Xbe; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:19:52 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Dave Connitt" , References: <98F809446BA646558936EC3EF96A5E38@DaveLaptop> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:20:30 -0400 RPP+QV2kTeeluMyK19PyWucKKrD9a5Sx/ld93ZhUe2OJstxNrd Cd3DI8SrtV8kQPA5tu7UUlUI8VVXecsz08Xt3/szPUDLS1dXZw 6GFyPKeHC45bQ8phR4X6uTcMqyLvgzllhVQ4h0Mpt44FntlZbT EP+Nnyhi6xMEBEfIHze35f6EI3mSVFl73VfNbZt3Vx06MvF4Oc 0K4CO3Dg5wpKpJjn69fPpboZjaiHr5UzUF43B99gtb/4Sh+pa7 9TXIp39EbBk3UZPzVvsfFU+DR0NAhgkrsBa+Qm+gRtfgVII0Ml hqmOJ3IpL4C9QMwBLS6G5xKZ8BQ96maKNtkBHXSFm Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR6 guys install Patton's Fan Eliminator Kit (http://pattonmachine.com/Fan-Eliminator-Kit.htm) and then install the electric fan as a puller. Does the TR4 have the same clearance issue as the TR6 with the brace that crosses between the radiator and the engine front? We're limited to the 16 inch "slim line" fans because of it. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:04 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Happy Easter everyone, I woke up at 5:00 AM this morning like it was a work day.. Been up to no good since then looking at what I still need for my TR4A. According to my list, I need a electric fan for the radiator and have settled on a Hayden 12 inch unit. Turns out I can get one at my local Reily Autoparts with the controller. I am going to pick that up today so I have it for when I start installing my wire harness (supposed to ship the end of next week from Advanced Auto-Wire). I was just wondering if there is a preference as to mounting the fan as a pusher or puller? Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 09:38:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5411342526 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB62403CF for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:37:49 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=KqjtnH62fv8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zLMCHOBYyv4A:10 a=NWhX6sWZpGUNtuucW0YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2C/F6-04559-DB4B5515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:35:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:35:32 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4sfb/BrCx96RpWRWuuObDfAHCb+gAFEYAQ Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I was just wondering if there is a preference as to mounting > the fan as a pusher or puller? My preference is as a puller. The fan really only covers the cooling requirements near idle, it doesn't move nearly enough air to cool the engine at higher power. Having the fan in front of the radiator seems to interfere to some extent with natural air flow at higher speeds. For example, when the original fan on my Stag failed, I tried a temporary electric as a pusher, which made the engine more prone to overheat at freeway speeds (with or without the fan running). I run a 12" Hayden as a puller on my TR3 and it works very well. I made my own fan eliminator from a cast iron pipe cap, but several vendors sell them ready made. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 11:10:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F0942802 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DEF40EDD for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HUQ31l0051smiN4AEV7xDs; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:07:57 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HV7w1l00F2xZMJ48gV7wiA; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:07:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:07:56 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1364576877; bh=loiKmsh/ILTL8vWdRhm5er/rhzLi/GTyA0MOpUxkt6E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ArhnKx80GL0mWMyNYfs6xLKY7CFSy8dnu7HJg0CfZeA/ia+mcwY++pbU7s+DvyY95 jeE4LyH5jL2Of1M/2eoXihKD0AItB3RR1eiR2qpMVHjvqxl8rsipksUhmOGmg4OxWt l+ckqqU9zrcfWPpmUUg9U+mXxfNXtoGBtWwicCKd+8uuduhcoXiuAEaHvXk2vNf1ML DOTH0pdT9UHM/Z5ILdQvaWWE++JDvddX7tfBk/RopQSqPeHhl7Hv6i2bc2ogJE9vr+ W7iT6ucw5IpV2pqzfH7fBHyMgGi+wjmABlQ2NLEzrDHSLgEkGnzXyBqLdYTgPtYy75 E9vky4mypzmpQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Absolutely NOT my experience with the TR4 and the Stag. Each worked just fine with an electric pusher and the stock mechanical fan. The Stag has a thermostatic pusher. Seamless operation. The TR4 had a pusher with a 30-amp switch under the dash. I only needed it when the car was stuck in traffic or "cruising" with the street-rod crowd. In those situations, it quickly brought the temp down. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:35:32 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A > > I was just wondering if there is a preference as to mounting > > the fan as a pusher or puller? > > My preference is as a puller. The fan really only covers the cooling > requirements near idle, it doesn't move nearly enough air to cool the > engine > at higher power. Having the fan in front of the radiator seems to > interfere > to some extent with natural air flow at higher speeds. For example, > when > the original fan on my Stag failed, I tried a temporary electric as a > pusher, which made the engine more prone to overheat at freeway speeds > (with > or without the fan running). > > I run a 12" Hayden as a puller on my TR3 and it works very well. I > made my > own fan eliminator from a cast iron pipe cap, but several vendors sell > them > ready made. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 11:46:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C4C42822 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA064009B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:46:25 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=KqjtnH62fv8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zLMCHOBYyv4A:10 a=kqY8gqT0fNuDYn5PmJkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 93/AB-04559-1E2D5515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:44:01 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:44:08 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4soAkiWoIeXbkXTbOn93fgKhEvxgAAq/hw Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Absolutely NOT my experience with the TR4 and the Stag. Each > worked just fine with an electric pusher and the stock mechanical fan. Practically anything will work, with enough overkill. I was talking about _without_ the stock mechanical fan, and a Hayden 12" that only draws 8 amps, not 30. On the Stag, as soon as I could replace the mechanical fan (early Stag fans & fan drives are NLA), I removed the electric one. The TR3 works great with just the electric, so I'm keeping it that way for now. My point was not that mounting in front could not work; only that I feel the puller configuration is more efficient. The difference is not huge, maybe only 15-20% but it is real. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 12:38:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2AA4294B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD17428E6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HRFl1l00416AWCUADWaW7m; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:34:30 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HWaW1l00M2xZMJ48SWaWH3; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:34:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:34:30 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1364582070; bh=lOV8KRxDwp40cLaNPgSkGh6N0db/eb3SXtuzoyZCoXM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hxVieHwFK+6oSS4l0CGCdIe0xw/X/69bZrAC2cXInZAWnW4X8KVhnji6JXFRK1ohd hjxvooxAv9kqoaMewCF6MtohbX1udUT6tPtuxzUewPILorocNnDdeZDabzPdogfp4b 8zAUyWFfLmLrXyuq/NZ7pTarUOWEDQdlVudJSIM3g+4F4o4In98v9UcXpphsPbp0gs AD5JIVzvOSSkcbRBVxa6ZgF409l+yWiSImp1lxC9fv6W+gGZYgskHUKoTus8k3CTPP 4Shq7SPj1KAqvoRX43fd4iNkYV/YRQKAAF0pMw3aeXCSdMI9ZVUxYr9xO+jJILa3nZ yIeCtxUjOUuXA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I was talking > about > _without_ the stock mechanical fan, and a Hayden 12" that only draws 8 > amps, > not 30. I never said the fan drew 30 amps. 30-amp switches are not expensive, and overkill in a switch ain't bad. I didn't use a relay, just a wire from battery through inline fuse, through switch and on to fan. > My point was not that mounting in front could not work; I think the OP is looking for something that works. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 13:12:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691C6429E7 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C06E429C2 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 43F291C000062 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dle001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.129]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1E838E000082 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:04:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364583890; bh=KX7C3aQcDPgSit28EWfM991Tz0uR4Xk84tD5HhlwFPs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P47UiqG6oGeDm/WU2z2a3zTagZs4BhIW38WMWiCGAwKEp3J7wB+iyLUAaIsV/T8cP 27LLZCO9WsAEUG1foudpfR+B1ntt/gEgCW8lSAVgLVlmVc2CvVacRvdKDv83AAHuKh F61vhV27HRTav1ZqjwMxNHkuEVx5o/fyAc0JBqKE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d5155e5d2010e Subject: [TR] Electric Fan on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I installed a puller on my TR4A radiator when the shop balancing the crankshaft said they would have to remove crank metal to compensate for the fan extension and blade (even the plastic one). With the mechanical fan removed, there was lots of room for the JCW 16" fan I bought. I drive the car a lot. After a few years with this configuration, using the fan only in traffic, I became concerned about the fan failing, stranding me with no cooling fan at all. So I carried a spare JCW 16" fan everywhere. When I upgraded to an aluminum radiator, I installed the spare fan as a pusher, so there are now two fans. I use one and have only to reconnect the wires to the other if primary fan fails. Takes thirty seconds. Built-in belt and suspenders. On the road, neither fan is required. I removed the TR4A dash light rheostat (tied the wires together 'cause they're never bright enough) and installed a stock heater fan switch, complete with little fan symbol on it. It looks sorta correct, but no one notices. After some "training", I just turn on the fan reflexively when in traffic. Good luck with it! George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 13:24:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A58742800 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC000400FF for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:19:33 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=KqjtnH62fv8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zLMCHOBYyv4A:10 a=cecNaVY3Rrz2YjIN3MoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 21/FE-06772-3B8E5515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:17:08 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:17:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4srA6GuSqSJSsnRI2Khfh91/3OBgABZMoQ Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a electric radiator fan in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I think the OP is looking for something that works. Perhaps so, but he asked which was preferred. I prefer more efficient and not having to run two fans because neither one works very well. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 13:25:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3441042575 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CCD403C6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.69.78]) by m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id HXM21l00D1hKYKc01XM3pp; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:21:04 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <8CFFAC76BA3A23A-17F8-309F5@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:18:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Electric Fan on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net most people say a puller works better. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 17:55:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5598642538 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A294042F for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:54:53 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=1TC_zctnf2oA:10 a=aS3IHDP73ViFZywcGWkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Rcm-gYOHc3Ftqf_L:21 a=tb-gw6vE60s6y26Z:21 a=RefPfgc4Df23T87mo8kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=gvfBO2VpoByw3OXV:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50702] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id E3/25-07167-B3926515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:52:27 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:54:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] Electric fan for TR4A IRS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Many thanks to all that responded. I spent the day doing errands and just got back in. I think I might just take the radiator with me to the local FLAPS who happens to have a selection of different sized fans and pick the biggest one that will fit. From what some of you have said, the 16 inch will fit. I did measure my radiator and it is just a bit wider than 16 inches. Again, thanks to everyone and have a great Easter weekend. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 18:50:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBE54249B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977C040411 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:49:55 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=LWjlvl3D4f0A:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=Y-aJ8twS6iAA:10 a=D1vCGdPSUdz3l-pzcdoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=cJehbIdttApKL2_j:21 a=xju3lYHU5rzEn3NJ:21 a=blEJNqdbb_dtDZvuylUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=BNpgQfipPfGLTZxM:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50453] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 15/DD-11341-12636515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:47:29 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:50:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Carelli carpet sets on Ebay and other interior pieces for Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, One more thing.. Has anyone on the list purchased a carpet set from Cover-zone/Carelli? They look decent and are around $165.00. But, it's just a picture. They claim to be a UK company, not that that is anything special but just a interesting note. Also, does anyone have any suggestions on door panels and other upholstery items such as the wheel covers and the piece that runs around the back of the interior? Moss sells a kit but they want $700.00, ouch.. Just wanted to see what else, if anything is out there. Thanks again, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 19:54:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104B44256B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA639403FE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:54:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ib11so937699vcb.35 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:52:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xAQ/FOc3lNiS+Nam1XP3cjl0qX5/qubgPP4+jmvaCIg=; b=EaQstOBAAw8niXMiLxYL38UEfrehCALbrMmf4F6S1PJsss508875Tsp1O1+EZAWfdM 9BClNcxp6yZuedMzBYtlgjnx3dzV8wYaXdu2dcyKHt3ugz2Dypoi2cXPwetpTwOO/UN+ tfA21/n2mmPUvI4stFfa2EVyUrVMU3/+DOswqg9litgIKVdv7RgQo/co9+ikRxqkD7i4 vVSS1va6NhcP7on1Y3VwMK1zwUVw1dNrUe/MgRtudy7oBcH5K7feqzHlKs5ZMEaDp11g Sl75uSeJVu+tovXUVWIkMFW5uXNe0oRRnDGTMYlgIZMEvC5aIUe+erostKe16QnUT3S/ 3q2A== v11mr3465449vcw.1.1364608321456; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.121.129 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:52:01 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:52:01 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carelli carpet sets on Ebay and other interior pieces for Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Its an OK carpet for the money. Depends on your budget. I put one in a car. Its a very stiff carpet because of the jute backing. I used a rubber hammer to massage it into shape. The emergency brake cover is flimsy. I didn't care for the rubber mat being place on the passenger side. TRF carpet is more but its better quality.and like the factory carpet. TRF carpet has a rubber backing and lays over the rockers and tranny cover for a better fit. Al . On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > List, > One more thing.. > Has anyone on the list purchased a carpet set from Cover-zone/Carelli? They > look decent and are around $165.00. But, it's just a picture. They claim > to be > a UK company, not that that is anything special but just a interesting > note. > Also, does anyone have any suggestions on door panels and other upholstery > items such as the wheel covers and the piece that runs around the back of > the > interior? Moss sells a kit but they want $700.00, ouch.. > Just wanted to see what else, if anything is out there. > Thanks again, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/alansalvy@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 20:21:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7888403FE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795B3403FE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:21:11 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=kmo2H7M_WSoA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=YSxqbGQl6PkA:10 a=T6PsLd8RyMCnEaHXl48A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=kquVMeuDDc_n_ml8-mcA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=X2L9xcjX3UWE_vIb:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50930] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id D7/79-07167-48B46515; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:18:44 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:21:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Carelli carpet sets on Ebay and other interior pieces for Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Again, thanks for all the replies. I believe I will stick with the Moss and TRF products. I am working on getting my TR4A as close to done this summer as possible. OK, I really meant I am working on getting my TR4A to a running condition. I don't think we can ever say we are "done".. Well, I might tell Colleen that but we all know better. Thanks again, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 21:11:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A401040E50 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B0F403FE for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hevk1l0030S2fkCADf8bMQ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 03:08:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hf8Z1l00R4L5TyG8Vf8ag9; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 03:08:34 +0000 From: Bud R To: Dave Connitt Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:08:33 -0600 References: s=q20121106; t=1364612915; bh=ZzwpGpRHrdHP7KAO5NOvy1Oh60HttS55NnMMy4zzvo8=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=ht+PwpJPl+q4D8TqhhDsWlgbFzcy/plsHdPpTjDdvu6/aTdAYskMDch0Lwg1RCQBq OqGCwGIyC4MmqlC89oQs5JCYpAmyIy4zTFHgv3DaZFuFbscJTUuPFShEEMiBF1jIw0 S+SHdIDbPFAGHhB9g+8eaZx1dhJxfpTcLrr7/29JAmDV+LrHb80hgzBdVoukE4rZ/G JG2hFgy0mpcne0aEPnx/Iq5fSrJdaVo0aDg7JbXRrcIqBry/swhXp2BHSHJT40J8tM vLiRt3shIixzvzCTW4hPHJn9sTO1fXUtvXKRJptuuRKWZO3WMbW/TX5MjAky05qPMN Lignx9HcPqJlg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Electric fan for TR4A IRS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I use a Permacool 16 inch fan on my TR6 as a puller. The fan fits tight on the backside of the radiator without anything to hold it in place other than the side pieces of the radiator. I did put some of the rubber dampers between the electric fan and the radiator but otherwise just popped it into place (ok I did pull gently on the side pieces just a bit) and it's been that way for many cross country trips, a few autocrosses, and numerous potholes since without moving a bit. With the crossmember about 1/16 inch from the back of the fan it couldn't go anywhere if it tried. I don't carry a spare electric fan on long distance trips but I do sit the spare I have out where my wife could find it and overnight to me if needed. I have the fan set on a thermostat and also a manual switch that I put in the ashtray (it does still close). The light is there too glued to the lid and positioned so that the ashtray lid won't close with the manual switch on (that way I don't turn it on and mindlessly walk off). Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I did > measure my radiator and it is just a bit wider than 16 inches. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 30 12:26:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D762940691 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD62403F8 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.52.113.adsl.snet.net [69.0.52.113]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MTSTH-1UBJTk1Ec3-00ST4H; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:23:14 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Dave Connitt" , References: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:23:54 -0400 P6zO9JcH8B4kkMr3akWWX/rJN/wWWmizYOVwpOziRkeWO3narI c+yqeC0tRJ1n7LiHB7PsXBawWSenYlVHxYCvUkxKuELCp8gaqX dSmP/UUAsEgLBplFMNfEHHLiIBc6SqMnyD5HoDXyq4PaKib+WR 9UBPMMg8qjWQZtpI4kHN7tVyds+VVV2XfOsglULLi/C9fV3G2P cWDoSofXMeFrya0aJpwbY4WG2BPAdJaxc9ojfcQscjZlT1wp/L pivZKaRoHN/047PovD7Uv4s7VcM0Z2oQSKOog+n0nvw5j5Ferw mhEiwO8mKcnUBVnzZAfKcbkPs10KipGA39ybKV34P Subject: Re: [TR] Carelli carpet sets on Ebay and other interior pieces for Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know a guy :-) who does custom interiors for TR6....... they also happen to fit the TR4........ you can see his work and prices here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm#Completed_Kits The downside is there's very few stock colors of vinyl by the yard available to purchase.......... well TRF and VB do sell it at $70/yd which is outrageous when you consider that most vinyl falls in to the $20-$35/yd range. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:50 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Carelli carpet sets on Ebay and other interior pieces for Triumphs List, One more thing.. Has anyone on the list purchased a carpet set from Cover-zone/Carelli? They look decent and are around $165.00. But, it's just a picture. They claim to be a UK company, not that that is anything special but just a interesting note. Also, does anyone have any suggestions on door panels and other upholstery items such as the wheel covers and the piece that runs around the back of the interior? Moss sells a kit but they want $700.00, ouch.. Just wanted to see what else, if anything is out there. Thanks again, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 30 15:28:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BD040418 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FCE8403CF for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:28:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25449 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2013 21:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 21:26:07 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=52685 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UM3Hr-0001J3-7W; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:26:07 -0600 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:26:07 -0500 To: "Dave Connitt" , From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Carelli carpet sets on Ebay and other interior pieces for Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FYI - Moss has a carpet, upholstery and top sale going on according to the flyer I got in the mail today. Tony Drews At 07:50 PM 3/29/2013, Dave Connitt wrote: >List, >One more thing.. >Has anyone on the list purchased a carpet set from Cover-zone/Carelli? They >look decent and are around $165.00. But, it's just a picture. They claim to be >a UK company, not that that is anything special but just a interesting note. >Also, does anyone have any suggestions on door panels and other upholstery >items such as the wheel covers and the piece that runs around the back of the >interior? Moss sells a kit but they want $700.00, ouch.. >Just wanted to see what else, if anything is out there. >Thanks again, >Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 30 20:08:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BD34041D for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2123403D0 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:08:09 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=8hH5iZUD4rcA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=jbbqKjUqjN0A:10 a=ptLcL_UkM_qufc01_OsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=gDnjn6D639hMeGNo:21 a=692oYL9h0j_3cMXy:21 a=571SsS0fxr9qh8seAgsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=EP4euEklTPzwmWxQ:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50257] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id CD/8E-11341-2F997515; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:05:38 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:08:11 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Electric Radiator Fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I ran my radiator up to a local O'Reily Auto Parts store looking match up a cooling fan and found that the Hayden 16 inch fan fit like it was made for it. The fan motor is about 3/4" from the front cross member so it fits in the car pretty well. I posted a link to some pictures of it on my website in the Progress section.. I have a idea on how to interface a thermostatic switch between the fan and the relay. RevingtonTR sells a stainless steel down pipe (P/N 130039SST) with a bung welded in for a screw in thermostat so it is actually sampling the water temperature directly. They offer 3 different temperature ranges so I need to email them about that. At least I have a fan now. Thanks again to all that commented on my question about the fan. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 30 21:13:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BFC403EC for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF85403EC for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 03:09:57 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 03:09:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 03:09:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364699397; bh=Trr7Rlu8f2EIV2oVfpaavHU51eC+M98RXscT356FcxU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Ya3sLVFAyF1zeRXfTxgJeaNa+Ew10ThUNItMpYH93EwRYguHaXF6t+pdYuuGyKoIqXy0HNm/7bmiHzWqazuxASqP/wcysAFXOMNNzRYkOZz+nQbpXWMuwJQ+Pj8so53GVXbIaD5fPvql14lddmcBIMhFtrFUoK0jqNzKa92uMEY= a78WJ5RKOqF_I8LDwK2ZFTWUl20_Jn2_WUnxrhQsZBFcsOp13ng9MVuNEmXK xNFqRU4f_waYn6XAF4zAlOuSQsiWAzi4drc2GKTehjSeqrw3EyCcDpQhAvyj NJMZhdgOg5WlmUUEfpEjuhT1gHeV9FLNiF7OJ.PQdVYXC4gzOA3lL0Prq4Sm r.aoCB27z17Fb6psD5GIzAYufEG0mVPToM7ojuJ5ZMMXBtlPAygXBzCjyTTI k_szdJp1xugPaPd41frLtfYP9Le2oyuggEU01w0wEgjoeXXG7AgvX8gfuzkX vhXfPI2m3XWxwCobZJwD3CRnkUL0Q_D1hkArAZVRbpwWMd1lEVJVwmoFZM53 J9UySVDkb1Hpz34hptKFhhAPtIpARdixBrBy8T78YESqRJ2GOVzU4Ik_H27r pIh7hn_qa_of1BdHyvr5dP4EM5OKObRTmj3pIKImPIGbNuta7f3k2UFSrRV_ Ib8LGFPj3wduv7tuPKF0FESxyHwsnMIseMcHes9xVTL3qOMfcOnKYg3t20o3 IO8bvxza5wRd8mrzD smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2013 03:09:57 +0000 UTC From: To: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 22:09:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4tvHRAnmJFAKvKQOCWbqGxLA9Geg== Subject: [TR] Memory Lane Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just unpacking some old china today. If you have a time machine I can get you new 1966 Spit Fire(sp) for only $2199.00 during "Triumph Value Days"! If your an old ad collector email me off-line an I will send you a scan from the April 27, 1966 Abilene Reporter-News. Have a great weekend! Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 31 07:41:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E440400 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08006403F3 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JDcT1l0091uE5Es51De1ro; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:38:01 +0000 Received: from OwnerPC ([IPv6:2601:2:2480:62:6546:32f3:768e:50a0]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JDe01l00U38D2pW3cDe11i; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:38:01 +0000 From: To: "Dave Connitt" , References: <1C0916506C1E48509A65F7E5FFE9F13E@DaveLaptop> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:38:03 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1364737081; bh=gVfX18WouxwNCzd7w6B5+1v9CP4VOBWeav+v1Jx+cyo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=n+KLpyqZgq83eMT5WIP7pY7nZHPdA83Rv3tZ41fpwA3Wv9JqwVSP46xLF5bZ3hFHX H6MpbwU2IP6PHvHi4DsbYSw9MYlCP9EahPrCpIA3pfPstO6K/8y7Ed46Q0VL88qS0V XqZn9UUakXEiqkvf7I34ezghkqKX97SVq+Ub3PFJjX0RYzVYwadfGi2e2ErdeMdmLx eOw+aBGOkfOnCBgsivA0IzGWm/n0B89ItAuGlSJGde2QJxabSxD6gemeYE4uIqtxDo VMaCO9+KvZcU1rIGvqaL52rOwcCOpxMmzqCVw+yqvFlMw/HjIqMFEg6UKfWlJdTnrY qP+jmImTBPANw== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Electric Radiator Fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I have the thermostat switch in the pipe. JEGS also sells the thermostats. I did have to add a male electric connector to the pipe (along side the bung) for a ground wire. After doing that it works great. I started out with a 185 degree thermostat in the bung, and the water at the gauge was too warm for my taste, so I got a 165 or 176 and it works much better. Sorry I can't remember which one. I'll send you a picture of the set up. It's on my TR3A with a puller fan. Hope this helps Tom 60 TR3A 61 TR3A 62 TR4 73 Stag Mk II -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:08 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Electric Radiator Fan List, I ran my radiator up to a local O'Reily Auto Parts store looking match up a cooling fan and found that the Hayden 16 inch fan fit like it was made for it. The fan motor is about 3/4" from the front cross member so it fits in the car pretty well. I posted a link to some pictures of it on my website in the Progress section.. I have a idea on how to interface a thermostatic switch between the fan and the relay. RevingtonTR sells a stainless steel down pipe (P/N 130039SST) with a bung welded in for a screw in thermostat so it is actually sampling the water temperature directly. They offer 3 different temperature ranges so I need to email them about that. At least I have a fan now. Thanks again to all that commented on my question about the fan. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 31 13:09:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358BA40418 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2831B403EB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKJ00LOTGZ80Y50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:04:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:04:16 -0400 Thread-index: Ac4uPujgpizBQ4tNTYuNhYgT9FRFFQ== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] panel lights on TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am pulling my hair. (not out - I need all I have) Installed the 6 panel lamps on the '3 yesterday. Two circuits - one with 4 holders/bulbs for speedo/tach, the other with two holders/bulbs for center panel Bench tested all six at one time - all ok. Problem - one holder/lamp in the center panel pair - when installed causes everything to flicker. I unplug the offending holder/lamp and no flicker. I connect a ground and it is back. Switched out for an older holder/lamp - same thing. Switched the lamps around - same thing. Same location. Not sure it matters but It is the center panel lamp below the turn signal indicator. Any ideas. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 31 13:56:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5940418 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C5B403EB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:52:16 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:52:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:52:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364759536; bh=riYWk8QKivZJsQrBz1G0WOWqFKLvCYN0C/jahwDb/jg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=MloUdgS5G4OrkHdBoCWs+kiaEMtmE1O+/WNG5otAi3ZrA4KmGa2wYqCa9ywsfUt3va3zFkU2iAxuzv6u7Ec96aDOwKaVkt3GzVu+1iYttBbDN8Wm2viIispqhxlUjIa5UgnoDINVorXIV2Ldq9R0vspH5aGMjAGVpAGBTS8rN3o= bxmp8VLoICZvLTyLn_0jbSyy8NPnupnCj.RAMVLHSkEurpUcykM1wRVzOUH6 _xNH6OsWeslHU0UyYU2VlN8R9t1i__rUPbzU4emsFkLbW4wdSMjfqM5QC4uG lc2oJ_uKGydXjWJMWcxy1683kwnifg0ayBk6oRW_GwVpfgCiloH920c_ZGoK NR7PiLJLi6QOevGbEiEiwdlyQvvaYc_5tATdIp_ubrfBN1JKjRny6nNfnKIX pkE4yWyiVeOH8br7UtKLLl1Ei0e8Gk5qo8ipNoONs13DYwDLxLMX30_5aCri K3np3LxgMXvj_HhteEVWVdB2_ITKvKCDdR1K0JWKq4_qKlsO411EQZxhtBKO z2s5PGlnMnRH7Ur2nGG2j.4sQA10CTG7I1gpi5Yz.Q8XE_BvO4MJLsjCXicT 3OJXYHWDtGCrwtDwcnubVvFxAE0F3QpowTJGSfd.qSXpjkQxhRXoE8i96gZF ZqJ2YNeXEbVf8V_jmO8Z6XmaLuurxEcDQpSgMu1BYUdxuB7c3glshR5F053w dlt_BznT5T8Wx6UHNOyM- smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2013 19:52:16 +0000 UTC From: To: , References: <006701ce2e42$8aff7600$a0fe6200$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:52:11 -0500 Thread-index: Ac4uPujgpizBQ4tNTYuNhYgT9FRFFQACQO6w Subject: Re: [TR] panel lights on TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Has to be a short or weak connnection in the holder. Have you tried one of the new holders in that position? Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:04 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] panel lights on TR3 I am pulling my hair. (not out - I need all I have) Installed the 6 panel lamps on the '3 yesterday. Two circuits - one with 4 holders/bulbs for speedo/tach, the other with two holders/bulbs for center panel Bench tested all six at one time - all ok. Problem - one holder/lamp in the center panel pair - when installed causes everything to flicker. I unplug the offending holder/lamp and no flicker. I connect a ground and it is back. Switched out for an older holder/lamp - same thing. Switched the lamps around - same thing. Same location. Not sure it matters but It is the center panel lamp below the turn signal indicator. Any ideas. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 31 14:25:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D3640433 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:25:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AD1403EB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKJ00BCVKH1N800@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:20:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: , References: <006701ce2e42$8aff7600$a0fe6200$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:19:51 -0400 Thread-index: AQDWgKssarTsARAELD4lyKcuAuflEJqvlSTA Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] panel lights on TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It seems that if 5 are connected - all is ok. Plug in the sixth - regardless of location - they start flickering. Followed Michael's suggestion... found one that had a cracked separator between +/-. Without that one in the mix - all is ok. Of course, the spare has been re-used many times and the tines on the backside are completely useless. I'll go digging for another but at least I know the problem. Thanks Michael & Bill for the quick response. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:04 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] panel lights on TR3 I am pulling my hair. (not out - I need all I have) Installed the 6 panel lamps on the '3 yesterday. Two circuits - one with 4 holders/bulbs for speedo/tach, the other with two holders/bulbs for center panel Bench tested all six at one time - all ok. Problem - one holder/lamp in the center panel pair - when installed causes everything to flicker. I unplug the offending holder/lamp and no flicker. I connect a ground and it is back. Switched out for an older holder/lamp - same thing. Switched the lamps around - same thing. Same location. Not sure it matters but It is the center panel lamp below the turn signal indicator. Any ideas. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive