From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 21:22:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB66742A6B for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A099429BF for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1CFA021B for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 21:22:31 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Well, shucks. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Too bad my credit score is in the toilet since I lost my job at the U. I was sitting here in my office before dinner and Karen comes down to give me a message. Some fellow stopped by and told her about a car that may be coming up for sale. Not just any car, the guy was the one who purchased The White Car from me some time ago. He's trimming down his collection, wondered if I wanted to buy it back. I would *LOVE* to do so! He was on his bicycle, already late for dinner so he just gave the message to Karen and rode off. I'll be in touch with him soon to get more details. mjb. ps: See a pic of it at http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12&p=15#p15 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 21:38:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1439942AF0 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924D742818 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg12.opentext.net (otwlxg12.opentext.net [10.2.103.213]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r423UrJe017082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 23:30:54 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG21.opentext.net ([169.254.3.181]) by otwlxg12.opentext.net ([10.2.103.213]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 1 May 2013 23:30:52 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: size matters :-) Thread-Index: Ac5G5NV8tXPZ4CGWTQqy1qJk6kdI8A== Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 03:30:52 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.16] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19836.004 x-tm-as-result: No--45.215200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Subject: [TR] size matters :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Evening boys & girls :) I am about to gain a 12x30ft storage unit . The question is, can I fit a '74 Spitfire and a '59 TR3a in there. I am thinking if I can it will be tight but I would like the collective intelligence Thanks as always David Cars I wanna drive :) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 21:54:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFD142AE8 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D5A42981 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB4FA021B for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 21:42:58 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net David Templeton wrote: > Evening boys & girls :) > > I am about to gain a 12x30ft storage unit . The question is, can I fit a '74 > Spitfire and a '59 TR3a in there. No problem. The cars aren't very wide, I've had them side by side in a 10' wide unit. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 22:05:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBCF42AEA for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 22:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C34429EA for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg12.opentext.net (otwlxg12.opentext.net [10.2.103.213]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r423rwMw018324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 May 2013 23:53:58 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG21.opentext.net ([169.254.3.181]) by otwlxg12.opentext.net ([10.2.103.213]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 1 May 2013 23:53:57 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "'mark@bradakis.com'" , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Thread-Topic: [TR] size matters :-) Thread-Index: Ac5G5NV8tXPZ4CGWTQqy1qJk6kdI8AAI9SkAAAf/jf8= Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 03:53:57 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.11] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19836.004 x-tm-as-result: No--43.538100-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Woohoo!!!! :-). Happy camper in Southern Ontario David Sent from my blackberry at 20 thumbs a minute. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark J Bradakis [mailto:mark@bradakis.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:42 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) David Templeton wrote: > Evening boys & girls :) > > I am about to gain a 12x30ft storage unit . The question is, can I fit a '74 > Spitfire and a '59 TR3a in there. No problem. The cars aren't very wide, I've had them side by side in a 10' wide unit. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davidt@opentext.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 22:11:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7CC429EA for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 22:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f179.google.com (mail-ia0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D07429BF for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 22:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f179.google.com with SMTP id g4so178026iae.10 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 21:02:41 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=rAeT7dxPXfomrG9K147heewVWsV9ErgM3GXNH42qkAQ=; b=cw1ckWgLDe99XdIBUl7w7lsjHysjVwFNlCYxq+AygaGMBYhPkDDF9zCToP4QD201/S 3vvwZrl3+XdEoopY8oUJw3G6ZhbE+YxOKrE11XlqI/YihN2IzYK2PjpfN6TuU7wtoplJ vbhmC1Y9LGepS+faCCRhIR+iDxkTUZ4/o8qJtAYK7AjzFIqKCvrI3/3kWV8mNQevmdPy KIT13wR28d6KGUrjTz6MWusRw8AmRgBxD+7gtpLFLe3E37qWQn9xH1fASFNDb9I30vvp gVDRqVCnI4lq0Bgd7XdglU07IAA/WwjWtSBJvB6fM/X2nAn7zgGgAv4J7WSgm/SWewa9 dKUQ== m10mr3014848igk.99.1367467361599; Wed, 01 May 2013 21:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.23.114 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 21:02:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <5181E0C2.6060608@bradakis.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 00:02:21 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 to what Mark said. I had a 10x20 portable garage with a tr6, a tr4 and 1/2 of another tr6. and room for 2 engines, 12 wheels, an electric wheelchair, a hard top for the 4, and who knows what else found it's way in there. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > David Templeton wrote: > >> Evening boys & girls :) >> >> I am about to gain a 12x30ft storage unit . The question is, can I fit a >> '74 >> Spitfire and a '59 TR3a in there. >> > No problem. The cars aren't very wide, I've had them side by side in a > 10' wide > unit. > > mjb. > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 15:50:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB1D42BA5 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C2442B4B for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=6a48RQnVYSkA:10 a=uhqooRfSRTFqJjRy_VoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:39751] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 3D/A8-16585-0DDD2815; Thu, 02 May 2013 21:42:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 21:42:40 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > I am about to gain a 12x30ft storage unit . The question is, can I fit a '74 > > Spitfire and a '59 TR3a in there. > No problem. The cars aren't very wide, I've had them side by side in a > 10' wide unit. They'll also fit nose-to-tail in 30'. You could have two of each! Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 21:16:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9731942C8B for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 21:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED69042BAF for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 21:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg11.opentext.net (otwlxg11.opentext.net [10.2.103.152]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4338MxM023220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 May 2013 23:08:23 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG20.opentext.net ([169.254.2.241]) by otwlxg11.opentext.net ([10.2.103.152]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 2 May 2013 23:08:21 -0400 From: David Templeton To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] size matters :-) Thread-Index: Ac5G5NV8tXPZ4CGWTQqy1qJk6kdI8AAI9SkAACW1RQAAAuK1gA== Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 03:08:21 +0000 References: <5181E0C2.6060608@bradakis.com> <20130502214240.WNDLB.1272.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.17] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19838.003 x-tm-as-result: No--51.173100-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I told swmbo and got a head shake :-) David -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:43 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] size matters :-) > > I am about to gain a 12x30ft storage unit . The question is, can I > > fit a '74 Spitfire and a '59 TR3a in there. > No problem. The cars aren't very wide, I've had them side by side in > a 10' wide unit. They'll also fit nose-to-tail in 30'. You could have two of each! Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davidt@opentext.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 08:11:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E47428B5 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 08:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584FA40E4D for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 08:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130503140055.NTMI5804.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 10:00:55 -0400 Received: from [10.191.213.120] ([70.193.135.105]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id XS0t1l00t2Gcmoe01S0uSC; Fri, 03 May 2013 10:00:55 -0400 a=Ga60tJSqd3K0BLGg1K+sgA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=n8i27M1mAAAA:8 a=1FzqG5ILVBdwvA7Y_sMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Ga60tJSqd3K0BLGg1K+sgA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 10:01:06 -0400 From: Ronnie Babbitt To: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Test ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 08:13:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE4E40528 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 08:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787A640046 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 08:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.39] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 14:11:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367590295; bh=rpLvAfIBMxOGq831BwX/mg24O+ShfZ9ZZ/REotPJBWg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=CsIdlX9a+C3TX3seAlKvIP/cfYYRNDuotYeyNAG8+MfKNoMrVLJN04GGY97LbIBTJVhdDBgeiQ1EK+D3B0meIo9r8fppZLIbX7OXocP5vuV4USB8TWSM012oVClqOKxpHaji7S2Ncc9mw5oF94STUiUenIfTuALoFR1ldPld3V0= Qw3zrAQQHGRP6Azh1KiFASL_mwJd.vXkNWWgbTD.MgKbhJDApFnwJ7KHe_00 r2f3wM0dKaZgaXYQRAcfHEhlihiX6yMkmEN9KN4AllffyxbsQ2gZQt4WuCw2 l7vRkGtwB8M7GB5EigLxwKaw404W6CkiHwfWYVfnfaEy.t1B1vljMeP4M31i Y3HlLuylNcMoIOtzL4V7vYhxU2LkT_paHQDhef_mq_2gq1X0eLZRVd5uxrEI e4g6iotbW2qMoUbz4ga_C6WRctaLYSzTXb_h7m7jhNDyB2mGSc8QZR259Gxu 7lroGRm4mtSmqS_nTf0a0uvXb0OHp3t7XgNmndcXxVUo4adHLSXCmkl_btDg IiP2H3qH0LLD3F917gzBuKLIs9XaBHSrc3sATGsXNzMRsRmBZ_cvr98MfKBB ptowpTEVn4RYlMhQHnJQhbiBJNy6LXrnN2F2vM6O3yyFqZl6n5CNo5G0RE8f YxpS.TzKexEDe7qT9zgoYNA-- plain) by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2013 07:11:35 -0700 PDT References: <1axymdvq0ec4sgq164xgctb6.1367589666788@email.android.com> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 09:11:35 -0500 To: Ronnie Babbitt Cc: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: Re: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got it here. Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Ronnie Babbitt wrote: > Test > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 09:00:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA5F42957 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AE840E94 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 14:58:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.170] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 14:58:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 14:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 40242 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2013 14:58:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367593101; bh=je+VMWa+f7OLL8pYpyCtvr08m9baHcTOxh7CFiYYFwI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=exhqaQmCSutXxjoN1EOMaqCb+WWdo6wjYu+WRbA+ykZlZEqfijItRMcwZYwzBaxj8lvRUuGED8erqmnAbqb1s7U8HSAJKFlc6iyEYFn3bw9pS1JCeuWBZETH4d0nF9lbpDYE/7EEHkMtnbj8xKGfMAfaNfR/Sw6Oe6T60imemoM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fUvlNkhWMDYFPnUYPtIQ/wxjqR9QbHx31erQs94nIemvKPHUZT8LIJach4OMBt4aHIEtnnmn3Hb0ccdhy1KvzF+dzYFvZxgM+ieeoSOAAP/rRafXOi4Tb3TiIwCgKq6uTrqEn706HvSq00ULMWYqhU3p70yguTVu24imJ26UyWU=; gibw3JlRjhg3e5qkyMjy_rvWQDGL5d9MF9OTLb5sOtFFvsacoUHMfcP50dzk IHHMOO.ePTyGgufz0j7q8dqSAOSvyJy0GbRFvOE2J3JAHcLTbZzyZU_Yc5Bt ALCV6h1.3N7Rh_FguAA2HQ9_nrh1xl7B3sSjmU28oybs5592qMgwkWLZm.Xm 2WC5b7Yn6Uxd.frTZnXOhhutHpjtUDsupz4yiwAwnLMMMQ5aIQu2i8dYNfSi R4dr9myxzDZZjCtDydXP2wx9LHcZPPufA2w4RgwmkHEys.HW7Cq9otEJFeVO TRArnn0aogZvs_5eK_0j9waEfTvpYD_dxScIt7JTdfAd1FeXkwTcvUknIG5P LiZAgNvCE6AnTQdHsj1kP4RLXwx3BA.hQ8DKAOOVeLd_zDCdgBoimCwadz3. UPwvtc39Hg3j2Pt_Q3CXTQc4AwBeNQ.cQGPTIj0WdrkYEeH3uoKIB28wRZlf dwUwKOhd5zKYP1I.4qyTd Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2013 07:58:21 PDT NDIKCgpGcm9tOiBSb25uaWUgQmFiYml0dCA8cmJ0cjNhQGNveC5uZXQ.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoczIgVFJsaXN0IDx0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgTWF5IDMsIDIwMTMgNzowMSBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIFRlc3QKCgpUZXN0CgoqKiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAqKgoKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sCkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQpGb3J1bXM6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZm8BMAEBAQE- References: <1axymdvq0ec4sgq164xgctb6.1367589666788@email.android.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 07:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Ronnie Babbitt , triumphs2 TRlist Subject: Re: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 42 From: Ronnie Babbitt To: triumphs2 TRlist Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:01 AM Subject: [TR] Test Test ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 09:16:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12C842573 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A8C42570 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130503151430.GLEE24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:14:30 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id XTEV1l00r3enFnk05TEVGR; Fri, 03 May 2013 11:14:30 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bSWxGP9005FAQkOL7QEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Ronnie Babbitt'" , "'triumphs2 TRlist'" References: <1axymdvq0ec4sgq164xgctb6.1367589666788@email.android.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 11:14:29 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFmdZRiBB37zwvDfEb8RfZw1EYbdZnDNptA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got it. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:01 AM To: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: [TR] Test Test ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:04:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBCD42847 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC94742995 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5EC30700028F3; Fri, 3 May 2013 13:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mab001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mab001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.29.1]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 23D6EE000087; Fri, 3 May 2013 13:01:44 -0400 (EDT) References: <1axymdvq0ec4sgq164xgctb6.1367589666788@email.android.com> To: rbtr3a@cox.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Darrell Floyd Received: from 12.228.241.194 by Webmail-d103.sysops.aol.com (205.188.92.236) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 May 2013 13:01:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:01:44 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367600504; bh=L6bYE378ajqEayP9HNbBnDSQZoKsOxRInPwFtlHPP3c=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DeeL7a1590tvLr/Y+Ad75WDdz8qIjdsh59O19BFiqas8iKHtNHuLc7S0MZfB1ATc5 p57QnuWE9CAktOVD83DSumoJ6DPKAF4UH/vQNot5khtvqOoLRY1zGnTCj/1HnQwP9T kfi0vVv8b6n5qxmlUPiRtBDXnshfcoUKYd1YtkwE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b5183ed784f5e Subject: Re: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 10-4 Good Buddy -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Babbitt To: triumphs2 TRlist Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 10:09 am Subject: [TR] Test Test ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 12:39:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9271D42818 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 12:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C349242573 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 12:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170015pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MM800MZCJQKW8I1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 03 May 2013 13:37:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vms170015 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2013 13:37:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 13:37:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ronnie - you passed as you correctly spelled Test - twice..... Haven't seen your name on the list for awhile. Hope this means you are back.... C Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Babbitt To: triumphs2 TRlist Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 10:09 am Subject: [TR] Test Test ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 12:54:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D2042999 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 12:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467D4427AA for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 12:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hq12so914100wib.10 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 11:47:17 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rcb0LkfzgG3rAPGgJP4w5M2PwYxK5siqV3aR3XG/pMM=; b=mNXJFqvlAtsQbPc7yK1uGkgsdT8Qd00yd2hcq/6EvhFYCxCmM5qtDB2GZBpo5YEy6G FLkTlfvJKpfnZsM/iQWAA82jd0xS0Q/mP1hbqNtlQvsjYVvIz5OcQm+36l+JKM/ROFEW kZdLhhZWyCfqdtCFQRVhGVsHr50XTjMAQKzZ47DeDL7EJ/nWbWPawv/bbBsKYWQ3bO2X 0SFkzcSh3TG6zEvXXYV81yIbjsUCV7bo7BCpWuaKHxlMXLT8JqyNwDCg84ZLvQBAv0bm qP0LJ/XNn1rN1j674GjsW0FVs9CWwkhlxByA6LNMABOlq9V3M+VaWbZxLO7fkH1Vy/Gt g5sA== g3mr4726600wiv.1.1367606837271; Fri, 03 May 2013 11:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.134 with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 14:47:17 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Two of the gauges on my 63 TR4 are acting up. The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. The readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like crazy. It seems to do it at all pressures. I don't know that I've ever seen a mechanical oil pressure gauge do this. Any thoughts? The second problem is the speedometer. The needle fluctuates about 1 to 4 mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. The cable is brand new and is a two piece cable with a speed sensor inline for the cruise control. I didn't lubricate the cable before installation assuming since it was new it shouldn't need anything. When I say new, I had it custom made by a speedometer shop in Denver. A short 8" section from the transmission to the speed sensor and then a longer one from the sensor to the gauge. There are no sharp bends in the cable and to the best of my knowledge it follows the same routing as the original. The cable is providing to much speed variation for the cruise control to work properly. Assuming it needs lubricating, what's the best lubricant for the speedometer cable? Thanks, Brad 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 15:31:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0824284E for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 15:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F42742587 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 15:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id q16so1694489vbe.7 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:to:from:subject:date:mime-version :content-type; bh=kHop4boOz1FCXTkVb4kpMDe55u58uJZw/Bwh59ylNyM=; b=vP2mh4Q6K9salIKFVyD+CDDKDD4smTdZ67PYrBw7fdtDbSjTj0WVcd9ZSn/w2fm9zq 1xVkR9yOXzO/fz8FO2S8yhssq/Rn2a+QWmnoGgpT6L/8Jyl3dfquuD1p6L8kjW8/XUS2 WO+J4kR1Xlm9N8+XW88fE0Syqz0FupgJaoKnvy+KbnNkI459LvHtUWdvOpvXWR5ikWqc nOOxBwJjo7G+50Es8J5giDlBAc+JC1fx3wM4aazMA9z4/MdVlzQE19Q32tlPM2W+myyx Raidxwed6z/YJoJW9B9iBPzOMG3WFBDF9km8yI2ULxBnHTSQf2UUJP3o1jpa6JwI/cJT 9TXQ== kr6mr4115027vec.53.1367616108002; Fri, 03 May 2013 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.241.210.85] ([166.205.65.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id aq10sm10341626ved.2.2013.05.03.14.21.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 May 2013 14:21:47 -0700 (PDT) To: "Triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?YmthaGxlcjFAZ21haWwuY29t?=" Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 17:21:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?gauges-_wiggling_and_bouncing?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Figured out part of the speedometer/cruise control issue. I had a clamp on the cable about six inches from sender on the Speedo side. Apparently I had it to tight. With the speedometer cable disconnected from speed sender the cruise works great. With everything connected again the needle moves about +- 1 mph and the cruise control doesn't seem to mph. I am going to pull the speedometer and check it out as the insides seem to be moving around a bit. Now to figure out the oil pressure gauge. Brad Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T ----- Reply message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Triumphs" Subject: gauges- wiggling and bouncing Date: Fri, May 3, 2013 2:47 pm Two of the gauges on my 63 TR4 are acting up. The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. B The readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like crazy. B It seems to do it at all pressures. B I don't know that I've ever seen a mechanical oil pressure gauge do this. B Any thoughts? The second problem is the speedometer. B The needleB fluctuates about 1 to 4 mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. B The cable is brand new and is a two piece cable with a speed sensor inline for the cruise control. B I didn't lubricate the cable before installation assuming since it was new it shouldn't need anything. B When I say new, I had it custom made by a speedometer shop in Denver. B A short 8" section from the transmission to the speed sensor and then a longer one from the sensor to the gauge. B There are no sharp bends in the cable and B to the best of my knowledge it follows the same routing as the original. The cable is providing to much speed variation for the cruise control to work properly. Assuming it needs lubricating, what's the best lubricant for the speedometer cable? Thanks, Brad1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 16:32:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B1E42564 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 16:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F458426BE for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 16:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 22:27:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.213] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 22:27:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 22:27:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367620065; bh=J90oP80RCic229nYqTJd51livJOzdM91setZyJsihqo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=GPLj5KP7Vz8E8/psfedg+DtDV9fsPYjQoseF9D/SBjz66LU6WvYCcrdmgreVT1Y17jL5GNdEvIjyJxL9+Z8dz+fP0OjfTDWp/ltk8zqdiBhQj+7UtQbBJKlmOhWSh/VlRukMd0SBGZfgPbe0GtI2JLGHznLgizgEev15B3BLYfw= rD8NiqiiNGGGP5lE3.2BXiTAB9csSy61tLoqfD.DFeHv0X6k_4jjuJetbrb1 l5gvzbZRLnzEsYRMngGZ76SPrUaoMtZSo1sDmmbN2YDMs.HM6dPEvJIlTIDs lT_FtYMMZm86WD4GMyImcpWuD2_TcRK7NI5kZP_2rPfbdgr2rH3IcSqLSWnA Mc0Z2WX4PJGTzyOqQUFvIoTUw4eOsBrKhZcjumhuRBLceQvG_66Plef6LIY0 eJ7qjjT0D_iDWFU5lbySQsNT5x_eE6nxKPlSTu5G_uhpQuyo5rWeWeer2Vi5 tTOoUtEAbZR60RfTGn4uXzu2K3MBvVhdk_6KqUSnBtsByctVVEwnBAatU67r vcd46i9.p6E2yVw2hScLddAzOTlDRTUdgKiknQ8k5CwpKpfZcUrPYXodrenH _z786PvfQZFIrrByXISAeyJFzXNshEKpu9mNG1pU2qHl4LWsN6d30TpdIswa 6R87qVUUzh5Ohn_0woQygLS8sbM37Dd9hiocbKF6vR6eDMHosvA0EGHZFir7 MApAZmTEnl31kiZPUr4GAPl7qugY- smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2013 22:27:45 +0000 UTC From: To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <51842a6b.8aff3a0a.7f90.ffffc648@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 17:27:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5IRXcxsf+3Vq3UT1GiGMk9rktr4AAB19YQ Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sure sounds like the oil pressue guage has something loose inside. But, before I would pull it out for repairs I would first remove the pressue adjusting ball & Spring from the filter unit and make sure it is all clean. After re-installing it, adjust the pressure up and down to see how affects the actions of the guage. But, probably it's the guage. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bkahler1@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:22 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Figured out part of the speedometer/cruise control issue. I had a clamp on the cable about six inches from sender on the Speedo side. Apparently I had it to tight. With the speedometer cable disconnected from speed sender the cruise works great. With everything connected again the needle moves about +- 1 mph and the cruise control doesn't seem to mph. I am going to pull the speedometer and check it out as the insides seem to be moving around a bit. Now to figure out the oil pressure gauge. Brad Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T ----- Reply message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Triumphs" Subject: gauges- wiggling and bouncing Date: Fri, May 3, 2013 2:47 pm Two of the gauges on my 63 TR4 are acting up. The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. B The readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like crazy. B It seems to do it at all pressures. B I don't know that I've ever seen a mechanical oil pressure gauge do this. B Any thoughts? The second problem is the speedometer. B The needleB fluctuates about 1 to 4 mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. B The cable is brand new and is a two piece cable with a speed sensor inline for the cruise control. B I didn't lubricate the cable before installation assuming since it was new it shouldn't need anything. B When I say new, I had it custom made by a speedometer shop in Denver. B A short 8" section from the transmission to the speed sensor and then a longer one from the sensor to the gauge. B There are no sharp bends in the cable and B to the best of my knowledge it follows the same routing as the original. The cable is providing to much speed variation for the cruise control to work properly. Assuming it needs lubricating, what's the best lubricant for the speedometer cable? Thanks, Brad1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 17:35:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A492A429BB for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 17:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C5942587 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 17:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=jFe5s3Tbrt8A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=jodt8Smanv9scuWSaQYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:42227] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C1/51-02984-53844815; Fri, 03 May 2013 23:28:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 23:28:53 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Brad Kahler wrote: > The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. The > readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like crazy. I sincerely hope this is not the problem : I've seen that with an engine that had spun a bearing. > The second problem is the speedometer. The needle fluctuates about 1 to 4 > mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. The cable is > brand new FWIW, my problem was caused by the odo & trip meter mechanisms binding, which put a periodic load on the cable, causing the new cable to wind up and unwind. But it was bouncing a whole lot more than 1-4 mph. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 19:06:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FC5426BE for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 19:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D7140527 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 18:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u7so1762825wey.16 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 17:55:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=maKk65S8chgyyoEvR+t7qvIDzMdXmen2ZbBKX0z/xNA=; b=GaQyJ65/cUgT8H4cpErP/gRZRQ3lhSs/LCEiDebkQYgtMu/t7AvhK7L64nwZCYYVYR 1mwWDz8CpIAfMs99LQx4qGGoo4zuQcsIfZtAd68ZkKgow4qlB6KYhSJZl/02udTgITNL bQw0Fi6bRa23OkEfKYkydPTJMFIOUPn6+KWdpP+bMx9F+OoN98Jd/yuNSu1FNa7wOm9P /ao6lnoS0xgQmzGJMyCExGHLyHCDEm7wqYW/ERHN2VI0pcjLjvl7EkHqpV5nkaC6mJ8s 0QstdMO5Zevap2hyNHb/XnSUSlKq5YEPxbyr4WkZeuYu9+67+9Xr3bsVL86d5E/0KPCr 4gkw== i19mr385757wic.18.1367628945756; Fri, 03 May 2013 17:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.134 with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 17:55:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <51842a6b.8aff3a0a.7f90.ffffc648@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 20:55:45 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: "Wbeech@flash.net" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I hadn't thought about the oil pressure relief spring. In this case it would be easier for me to swap gauges which I do have a spare! I'll probably swap this weekend to see what happens. Thanks! Brad On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > Sure sounds like the oil pressue guage has something loose inside. But, > before I would pull it out for repairs I would first remove the pressue > adjusting ball & Spring from the filter unit and make sure it is all clean. > After re-installing it, adjust the pressure up and down to see how affects > the actions of the guage. > > But, probably it's the guage. > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit > there" Will Rodgers > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bkahler1@gmail.com > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:22 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing > > Figured out part of the speedometer/cruise control issue. I had a clamp on > the cable about six inches from sender on the Speedo side. Apparently I > had > it to tight. With the speedometer cable disconnected from speed sender the > cruise works great. With everything connected again the needle moves about > +- 1 mph and the cruise control doesn't seem to mph. > > I am going to pull the speedometer and check it out as the insides seem to > be moving around a bit. > > Now to figure out the oil pressure gauge. > > Brad > Sent from my HTC Inspireb " 4G on AT&T > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Triumphs" > Subject: gauges- wiggling and bouncing > Date: Fri, May 3, 2013 2:47 pm > Two of the gauges on my 63 TR4 are acting up. > The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. B The > readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like crazy. > B It seems to do it at all pressures. B I don't know that I've ever seen a > mechanical oil pressure gauge do this. B Any thoughts? > > The second problem is the speedometer. B The needleB fluctuates about 1 to > 4 > mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. B The cable is > brand new and is a two piece cable with a speed sensor inline for the > cruise > control. B I didn't lubricate the cable before installation assuming since > it was new it shouldn't need anything. B When I say new, I had it custom > made by a speedometer shop in Denver. B A short 8" section from the > transmission to the speed sensor and then a longer one from the sensor to > the gauge. B There are no sharp bends in the cable and B to the best of my > knowledge it follows the same routing as the original. > > The cable is providing to much speed variation for the cruise control to > work properly. > Assuming it needs lubricating, what's the best lubricant for the > speedometer > cable? > > Thanks, > Brad1963 TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 19:07:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E9642B27 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 19:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30354424A6 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 19:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id z53so1696898wey.15 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 17:58:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jLG81mpd4g1RIquEWxfdE3oe4ObFuhk5mg7oD8gYbx4=; b=03f7r2mt/oF9VtH7RTCPz32+ws7hoOcC6/W904//mwDlZh01uPuGiEyOYZ3tQSg66P vN1e5vAwDb5NOQaPSrORf6PgQ7mWNet199vm+DM6pI/qrD26aQskzcQOWvde4g0ANvLu 3Nmab/iszuP6DP+qhVCwflk96nmOPKMI3Na9MIfwfTN1BQR2dtJXTunzYFnXLndj3S+1 Yl7xNFraEB6Fj3d4xg6Uo5r61nZfhU/RVWiVcTMRt1XBfSS2aMwnJpYXyHJtfGQ492BT IRF46sE4kIg/Uyd4tI92DPltr9Br16H8pzoD2fyMsv20w+4OVDSBlR9pV6e7ezaFZe7P YwcA== t7mr16659563wju.38.1367629124956; Fri, 03 May 2013 17:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.134 with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 17:58:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130503232853.BKZUR.9305.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 20:58:44 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I certainly hope a spun bearing is not the problem either! It's a new engine, probably no more than 1500 miles on it so far. Runs great with no noises (yet). Not to say the rest of the car doesn't make any noise as it a real rattle trap. I'm beginning to think the speedometer needle problem now resides inside the head of the speedometer. Since I removed the clamp the cruise control is working pretty much perfect. I guess the same time I pull the oil pressure gauge I'll pull the speedometer and check it out. Thanks for the feedback. Brad On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Brad Kahler wrote: > > The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. The > > readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like > crazy. > > I sincerely hope this is not the problem : I've seen that with an engine > that had spun a bearing. > > > The second problem is the speedometer. The needle fluctuates about 1 to > 4 > > mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. The cable is > > brand new > > FWIW, my problem was caused by the odo & trip meter mechanisms binding, > which put a periodic load on the cable, causing the new cable to wind up > and unwind. But it was bouncing a whole lot more than 1-4 mph. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 19:56:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D1C42564 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 19:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D8B424A6 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 19:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 04 May 2013 01:54:43 +0000 Received: from bobmaassel3 (99-127-251-74.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net [99.127.251.74]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4996B17CE1; Sat, 4 May 2013 01:54:38 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bob Maassel" To: "Brad Kahler" References: <20130503232853.BKZUR.9305.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 21:54:43 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You might check to see if the line between the engine and the gauge is full of oil or not. If you have even the slightest leak near the gauge the air will get displaced with oil and then the gauge will follow the pulses from the pump. It is the air compressing that dampens the movement. Bob Maassel 59 TR3A TS39869L tr3abobm77@frontier.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:58 PM To: "Randall" Cc: "Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing > I certainly hope a spun bearing is not the problem either! > > It's a new engine, probably no more than 1500 miles on it so far. Runs > great with no noises (yet). Not to say the rest of the car doesn't make > any noise as it a real rattle trap. > > I'm beginning to think the speedometer needle problem now resides inside > the head of the speedometer. Since I removed the clamp the cruise control > is working pretty much perfect. > > I guess the same time I pull the oil pressure gauge I'll pull the > speedometer and check it out. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Brad > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Randall wrote: > >> ---- Brad Kahler wrote: >> > The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. The >> > readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like >> crazy. >> >> I sincerely hope this is not the problem : I've seen that with an engine >> that had spun a bearing. >> >> > The second problem is the speedometer. The needle fluctuates about 1 >> > to >> 4 >> > mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. The cable >> > is >> > brand new >> >> FWIW, my problem was caused by the odo & trip meter mechanisms binding, >> which put a periodic load on the cable, causing the new cable to wind up >> and unwind. But it was bouncing a whole lot more than 1-4 mph. >> >> Randall >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6295 - Release Date: 05/03/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 20:09:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D36442974 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 20:09:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62C340E20 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 20:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l13so1126493wie.10 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 19:01:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PTEAp4qJs0HBBdDQwDQRFt+ll/eflT9+k5B4cik2cJA=; b=zCLsW+112kGnxry7eJbzhk8DlCV3sRZE8ExlZVOYE5j3QqBRiUSsZGan7S7qikQLjk A7K23uUJdqNnsE0k0XpFunrqoKEJEpGCZJtmv2RdO2q3zBI5GnTB9FIb1/ZXvqRiSJzw hmt2zldO8cLbQn6uuTwztrm78w3F3E7c2GsZJEw/dR5hdKvkQcNq5KMJPUVOyzNsMhR+ jpAzoNsn6Kl5kBjg99TmVza0vLyKBvVnNTkQVHO6aMqPTTTSsR2J8sqkJDEy0sHVMZz6 rrY28VjxfUcZA7VhsGdJysq812NUM327hIi9Jze+poUEhNu0WCD1UmH/xAstk8hr03Ug 4vQQ== ew10mr526745wid.9.1367632881134; Fri, 03 May 2013 19:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.134 with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 19:01:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130503232853.BKZUR.9305.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 22:01:21 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Bob Maassel Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, that interesting and makes sense. If there is a leak it's not an obvious one. I wonder if there is a procedure for bleeding the air out of the line without making a mess in the cockpit. Thanks, Brad On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Bob Maassel wrote: > You might check to see if the line between the engine and the gauge is > full of oil or not. If you have even the slightest leak near the gauge the > air will get displaced with oil and then the gauge will follow the pulses > from the pump. It is the air compressing that dampens the movement. > > Bob Maassel > 59 TR3A TS39869L > tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > ------------------------------**-------------------- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:58 PM > To: "Randall" > Cc: "Triumphs" > Subject: Re: [TR] gauges- wiggling and bouncing > > I certainly hope a spun bearing is not the problem either! >> >> It's a new engine, probably no more than 1500 miles on it so far. Runs >> great with no noises (yet). Not to say the rest of the car doesn't make >> any noise as it a real rattle trap. >> >> I'm beginning to think the speedometer needle problem now resides inside >> the head of the speedometer. Since I removed the clamp the cruise control >> is working pretty much perfect. >> >> I guess the same time I pull the oil pressure gauge I'll pull the >> speedometer and check it out. >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Randall wrote: >> >> ---- Brad Kahler wrote: >>> > The first is the oil pressure gauge which is the mechanical type. The >>> > readings seem to be accurate but the needle quivers or vibrates like >>> crazy. >>> >>> I sincerely hope this is not the problem : I've seen that with an engine >>> that had spun a bearing. >>> >>> > The second problem is the speedometer. The needle fluctuates about 1 >>> > to >>> 4 >>> > mph while driving. I'm certain it's the speedometer cable. The cable >>> > is >>> > brand new >>> >>> FWIW, my problem was caused by the odo & trip meter mechanisms binding, >>> which put a periodic load on the cable, causing the new cable to wind up >>> and unwind. But it was bouncing a whole lot more than 1-4 mph. >>> >>> Randall >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/triumphs/bkahler1@**gmail.com >>> >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@**frontier.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6295 - Release Date: 05/03/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 21:27:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E561429BF for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 21:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2106F4249B for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 21:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id XfNi1l00A53lu5001fNipX; Fri, 03 May 2013 20:22:43 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <20130503232853.BKZUR.9305.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 22:14:59 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3B disk brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net car sat for some years. when I pulled it onto the trailer, the front left was locked up. when the winch pulled it up the trailer, it released it so that it turned, and then rolled off the trailer into my garage. bled the brakes, pumped it and it locked. brake pedal was rock hard; no movement. replaced the front left hose which obviously means lots of brake fluid leaked out (yes, I had a tray and caught it), and I hit the disc brake with a mallet and it loosened it enough so that I could spin the wheel (grudgingly). I have not rebled or refilled yet; I am also going to replace the front right hose. my question - looks like probably the disc brake is the problem; can I take it off, lubricate it or something? is there anything I can do short of replacing it? or is that my best option? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 21:59:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D0E42453 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 21:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3307340EBB for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 21:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id x12so2080613wgg.33 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 20:57:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cMaKT61sis0XmjA3XhQh9dYgRQX59UrTwZGjDbQLxq0=; b=FrM5N+DRdGXI3ZVnk3vht0GQ96JfLl8NLO+qAgWSNdtF1Q8Fcowd2/ZyqwTzcrl+hh bMZCnFf1INf/8trtC6rWJQD/ONQxiwmImBicJJoPdV2D0vlpm8uGFVSIOdPIo9GshcQV mLuQbLWJ+6uAtsmqY+0p/s8pid/yYlaL2fBscexre5V+S4YLxglTir0bP1TXaNFVr/jz btVngVWzgzWHJunfCbnYk71EBysjq4iAi5NG79IL+9ABObpHd1K3ds4aPSmQuYw8zq4/ k+2mTRQ/x+qZSUc4bNhgY9qjPNp5Vvg6ZIe2IXcAK0waSnKZuccTin0pgAwtggXjkFth IKdA== cs4mr17051466wjb.17.1367639830332; Fri, 03 May 2013 20:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.160.15 with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 20:57:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130503232853.BKZUR.9305.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <92F51EE0D8104EEA841F08BA3BD15BDF@Datsun> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 20:57:10 -0700 From: Malcolm To: Dave Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B disk brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, take off the caliper, and rebuild it. (new rubbers, new pistons). You don't need to separate the halves, although I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to do / not do that in the archives. The rubber seals around the pistons are what stops the brake from locking on. There should be nominal drag when they are OK, but not enough to lock the wheel. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Dave wrote: > car sat for some years. when I pulled it onto the trailer, the front left > was locked up. when the winch pulled it up the trailer, it released it so > that it turned, and then rolled off the trailer into my garage. > > bled the brakes, pumped it and it locked. brake pedal was rock hard; no > movement. > > replaced the front left hose which obviously means lots of brake fluid > leaked out (yes, I had a tray and caught it), and I hit the disc brake with > a mallet and it loosened it enough so that I could spin the wheel > (grudgingly). > > I have not rebled or refilled yet; I am also going to replace the front > right hose. > > my question - looks like probably the disc brake is the problem; can I > take it off, lubricate it or something? is there anything I can do short > of replacing it? or is that my best option? > > thanks! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/malcolm@**ipatch.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 23:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F81426BE for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 23:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9AE42458 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 23:04:20 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=6AB24gMD6FgA:10 a=ozz3EEvKuk6uScWgN6AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5C/9F-16585-F5694815; Sat, 04 May 2013 05:02:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 22:02:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5IdwJ3Zq5CdUicThOwv48FImY2hgADK2sQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B disk brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > my question - looks like probably the disc brake is the > problem; can I take it off, lubricate it or something? is > there anything I can do short of replacing it? or is that my > best option? The calipers can usually be rebuilt a lot cheaper than replacing them, even if you need to replace the pistons. If it isn't leaking, you might try pushing the pistons back into the caliper body and then pumping the pedal to move them out again. Sometimes that will free them up. But frequently, doing that will also make it start leaking, so perhaps a rebuild is the best course. Don't forget the 3rd soft line, at the rear axle. If the front hoses are in bad shape, chances are that it's ready to be replaced as well. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 06:05:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40644424A6 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 06:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f178.google.com (mail-gh0-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F2A4041A for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 06:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f178.google.com with SMTP id g15so435927ghb.23 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 05:02:43 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=me3qSqzL0w9nVlIBetLJB7/zr+yKjd7IyPTpSNMXNm4=; b=lAKyVdjMbRYIBRXujA8cwu9oNCHsewU/lKHAncZ/NRoECbvm8+Iw8xHXWUZs1LNnF8 y4+zwzQ8No5AqnQy4s5cIXhOv/s+Km7k3CqUUNmwx0g7oOMjnrP2oqrFMn26INMoDtMR ULVrf2BFnZuX31j7EUyA77TVei96SA3krIFHIDBfN+dABo5aIfGCz263Jd7C8Ox29x+x scDzLCwvUGmIfvgbS+41+ZA0e8X8OQJ0ChJk7JIArDH4tN/SAxLtCctrUD8tDqLas2Dy plGs171Mi5Gh8TGx9D5P/COKGu7xjZI4xkUfEXqu8h28pKLqb6Uxb0cFqatacMlt30I2 mU7w== s2mr12663902yhh.53.1367668963681; Sat, 04 May 2013 05:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a66sm20695930yhq.19.2013.05.04.05.02.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 05:02:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 08:02:52 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Ivx+q21O7JB0qT4+HZyzmPyI08g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a list of oil filters that fit the TR4 spin on oil filter adapter. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 07:06:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5A44040B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894004040B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 68A4270031906; Sat, 4 May 2013 09:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 37D8AE000085; Sat, 4 May 2013 09:04:36 -0400 (EDT) References: <20130503232853.BKZUR.9305.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <92F51EE0D8104EEA841F08BA3BD15BDF@Datsun> To: dave@ranteer.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 04 May 2013 09:04:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:04:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367672676; bh=m3B9NXWwXq705FABHu8mbaP7RA7r4mtIjN7YjAMBia8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bEt+OwNkkxdNcSpaFL+iZ4ZJrzClSxS9hf6KgsTOPO8XdhVSI5/jzI5ZAYy57AZHg pv60whF3PVhWRlecX976x497LkI3QrfM1kjlusEPHdHSmo+NGkEpi4eSEZTow6Jq9I kNf58N4Nl94mj47ZSytynddav07MNxWCRmLLEuds= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29485185076455d1 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3B disk brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may be due for a caliper rebuild. If the dust seals fail and moisture gets into the piston area rust can build up causing the piston to fail to retract. If this is the case a rebuild kit and new pistons will fix things up just fine. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Dave To: triumphs Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 10:25 pm Subject: [TR] TR3B disk brake car sat for some years. when I pulled it onto the trailer, the front left was locked up. when the winch pulled it up the trailer, it released it so that it turned, and then rolled off the trailer into my garage. bled the brakes, pumped it and it locked. brake pedal was rock hard; no movement. replaced the front left hose which obviously means lots of brake fluid leaked out (yes, I had a tray and caught it), and I hit the disc brake with a mallet and it loosened it enough so that I could spin the wheel (grudgingly). I have not rebled or refilled yet; I am also going to replace the front right hose. my question - looks like probably the disc brake is the problem; can I take it off, lubricate it or something? is there anything I can do short of replacing it? or is that my best option? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 07:07:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A22D42AF3 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F187A4040B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xo2D1l0051c6gX853p5XVt; Sat, 04 May 2013 13:05:31 +0000 Received: from OwnerPC ([IPv6:2601:2:2480:62:d1d3:3e72:7e01:75ab]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xp5X1l0034thgHp3jp5XER; Sat, 04 May 2013 13:05:31 +0000 From: To: "James Henningsen" , References: <004801ce48bf$4f03de10$ed0b9a30$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:06:09 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1367672731; bh=lQ1UHOvxhHFYnrZLODEoNjLxW1HSWxtQy1M12BYAnHE=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=FG3yM+Q9QXbzGMvP35V26gOsnK4hsf6JevynWt3aIp/3G6v4PvA+9NSTmrSvyYHtj f7Xwm7gX5PWzqMx98ENzvWb+gct4q2wKOyQCRXjb/bjh91dE3mESljHS667BLY6BOi vCxW2z3KRgtNSk0/6MjS8Dr3Z9ZCgK7CweSDH6YuxmUxWlnyEuAOSxV/BAiydy/0TM /h0Cn//aLM5w9hQZ+OrzQI5R+vYLu08AShBdFg7i7REyTo2AaaGqOmJXCK+t0HTBw4 8g54i3nNm3btd1PAh1b2h0AsFf8oSZYUR+6Wkr3gTSl6gTp1QLoI7u3Acy7zeZPsaB XzW7pLFmv/VjQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I'm sure there's a list somewhere in the archives, but I use a Fram 3600. You can cross reference from there. Have a good Saturday - tomorrow should be beautiful here in Central Florida. Tom -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:02 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Anyone have a list of oil filters that fit the TR4 spin on oil filter adapter. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 07:21:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD55940536 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D34640395 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XoAE1l0020EZKEL55p8vqp; Sat, 04 May 2013 13:08:55 +0000 Received: from OwnerPC ([IPv6:2601:2:2480:62:d1d3:3e72:7e01:75ab]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xp8v1l0074thgHp3Mp8vBg; Sat, 04 May 2013 13:08:55 +0000 From: To: "Jim Henningson" , "Triumphs" Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:09:33 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1367672935; bh=EcAX277SyHofxadxvX+mVtZEnOuWE5csLQNEZXWT8wo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=M11HVeVy3/DhyZbV5QV8EXqmYu1rdDkmkGoHFs7d7LaqSv76aG4Y0g9IP3XZfCHPL NBD+6ZJHgYfKr9JuL+Zx4pqxUP7B/pCv+cjNgeSf/iNzX9Ic8377kUxbmMMLXctGxs 1eYZr5c/+nXOP7JfVhf9uq4Z7QzZpTz73BadB88DiWNSZsN5lDGUzk0wC3uUDKG623 oiyUHpbRR404UgiN96OJZIUtPMPWtaq2Rd9Sj1eU3684ktW6gdRvq1xVFj0g6dLs7q UQlcPcqECvxxZBHsPOfl7hOG4Nze5y9Tmb/Vum4qR+s03hWsv2O647JfLgdMEYavAZ dF5m/AK3YWXdw== Subject: [TR] oil filters for TR3 & 4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tfansher@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:01 PM To: Thomas Fansher Subject: oil filters for TR3 & 4 Actually, I found these in my barchivesb Tom Fram PH3600 NAPA Gold 1516 Mobil 1 M1209 Purolator PL20195 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 07:53:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F479429C8 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E34F4042B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 07:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id XprH1l00H53lu5001prJwa; Sat, 04 May 2013 06:51:19 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <004801ce48bf$4f03de10$ed0b9a30$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 08:48:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/filters/ -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:02 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Anyone have a list of oil filters that fit the TR4 spin on oil filter adapter. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 08:09:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CBC40533 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 08:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1164042B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 08:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Xq7K1l00T53lu5001q7Lpl; Sat, 04 May 2013 07:07:20 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <004801ce48bf$4f03de10$ed0b9a30$@gmail.com> <48DE1DD51A1D4D2F89220AA76E5D1052@Datsun> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:07:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net these should fit all TR's and I believe spitfire spin on oil filter adapter -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:48 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/filters/ -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:02 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Anyone have a list of oil filters that fit the TR4 spin on oil filter adapter. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 12:50:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A84C42B01 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932840435 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 12:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-10272.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.56.35] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UYhQi-0006GH-Tw for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 04 May 2013 14:43:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 14:43:36 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - stator tube leaking. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Dealing with some of the "finishing touches" on my long standing TR2 project and struggling with a leaking stator tube nut/ferrule at the end of the steering box. Have tried a new nut and brass ferrule after stripping my original nut. Still no luck. Don't want to overtighten the new nut. Have checked the tube for irregularities, but seems OK. Is this one of the slow leaks you have to learn to live with?? Can always keep topping up the steering box. Concerned about keeping the top bearing in oil as I understand that this bearing often dries out. Any hints with this one?? Thanks in advance. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 13:20:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FC240435 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 13:20:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA22540435 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 13:12:08 -0600 (MDT) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=0FMxODatZbMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IECJU_hYnmgA:10 a=6LE6F_xuAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G5kDpHz6GU5lPRSd0KkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NTS7t23mjtoA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:57089] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A9/5E-22134-F0D55815; Sat, 04 May 2013 19:10:08 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Angelo Graham" , References: <518556D8.3010203@execulink.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 14:10:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - stator tube leaking. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo, you want this stuff, I think Moss might sell it too, but this is the first thing that came up on a google search, it is a very thick oil which doesn't like to leak, I went through the same thing in my Austin Healey box (similar set-up) and the penrite almost entirely eliminated the leak, not quite entirely but awful close. http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?pCode=015.947 Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 15:25:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E47040525 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 15:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E2F4042D for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 15:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r18so495821ghr.31 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=GqwWZ9cHij1z6jVT4JX3VLywWHURLicHIHasf1huk3g=; b=KwLFhcp4RQHKh56KBA/ICci1x9lPnT52g9oxw9LXr6BhruW/08/BhDR7W9BODK3Yuh oxJ+LFTKljb1vhzFSi3MmPPoCZHPKISTs36YDw4zRQj5uQmpC4kRxPEvSD5Emp0qPKrW k86YJFwz7sTC0MMOWq+eu8YeCbEYlL1HQfstbC2oNIIX97V8u8yj4gzY8ZD68ZDj9dYs 5VXO+HBDZpLQ1PCz5ZjER68MCUTYRI6wp2CHhyvQst77hJqi5GCuTTY04TXdhB9C12nz rVOqlgjI8fzkHV+padRYixeOgmvDMucvdH2p2Bqik87wN9NagQzQy+lnMXUFpLqQrxIw u62w== v8mr10561422yhn.12.1367702301308; Sat, 04 May 2013 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k49sm32713622yhi.14.2013.05.04.14.18.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Dave'" , References: <004801ce48bf$4f03de10$ed0b9a30$@gmail.com> <48DE1DD51A1D4D2F89220AA76E5D1052@Datsun> <6A2CBF2F3EFC47BCA61CC1B31DB6C21C@Datsun> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 17:18:29 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIGfsz+1DdwC88DdCRRSNizn0VKCgMPs6h+AllEuHKYWdRhwA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks: Wasn't sure if they were different than TR6 spin on. Jim Henningsen -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:07 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter these should fit all TR's and I believe spitfire spin on oil filter adapter -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 8:48 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/filters/ -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:02 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Oil Filter Anyone have a list of oil filters that fit the TR4 spin on oil filter adapter. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 19:50:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FA54044B for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 19:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB9D40419 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 19:46:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 01:44:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 01:44:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 01:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 67946 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2013 01:44:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367718295; bh=muPCjq9Z+ZNL+4Ngtm/61W3GZ6c1nUcXm6plCMKnzlo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ATqllS8m6BK5iZZjOe0FBsYPQp6bH0n3e+Akzxqbe4YkNIMwcL1iOewu1WAnxbFkVnHn+k88+1+vY4FVi7sGCg6suhgv49g1TEw5GTMO7i9XXACoRrFjCcvDgqTualwqUwwwl9dtHXpQ5GOSiAvwPM/R8l+L3Yg5QNjgk1Poai4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j3wGVN3KfIs/yxZwcPNIzy+9tLGu6fvmUfKpuoedWv/lINcmbS44XeBySQqX8+nzK9DLE8vdaZacw+IdOlV3O5e5NOAOO3X/rsGJp8o45umRpLu6sPBVLmZNqgW43Mi0Zf94kmDfL8Ffg2kKW/Qmh9JIxhHaXXbEv+2O7w/FBSo=; ralYG8MWFN49R1IEzW6_.ay2O.0hdfOiBGfI6VfwUnUL2Y.mHVSOWsGZJVzG z572.v.yTrR4o83x.gC.TwAWl_vhBGt4fTMXv0sOJGyrsz46OVYbMkkiR3w2 jsq2adb.0CvzXUUtosDYokUo2PE_ULewXWogYV_W09Txlctmiy.5ITQ6U3AE QTr4X.SAT66wixhjpYsyX_Z54bRoiOahCdvjsH8v6M4Dd63bvSFLwMVYZH4O xoMWuXLdw9vBIdeSOt.Uay.wliQXnp4Bq7hnBdWMADFLi1Tc1apxLO4uOrgF J1FXd33BpAfGfTWU7PsX7l6j5MQ8YX32vwRbrtul94kWaGCA95aP6ui9ZuNq dYbiHGTvJIeNZ1viPI2BRozkw7l1CGBCT22csvxhNMLDEWAl8Vc4KPu9d_Et OPyhLdEho Received: from [98.112.193.78] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2013 18:44:55 PDT Cgp3aGVyZSBpcyBQYXVsIERvcnNleSB0aGVzZSBkYXlzPwrCoApmcmFuawEwAQEBAQ-- References: <518556D8.3010203@execulink.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 18:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] ?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net where is Paul Dorsey these days? frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 20:09:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3ED40445 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 20:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEBF40419 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 20:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y20i1l0041wpRvQ5F26z6t; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:06:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.198] ([71.192.208.10]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y26y1l00c0E03aX3e26zyu; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:06:59 +0000 From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 22:06:59 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1367719619; bh=gII00mFYq5xvbxhu+oKDmsbSuwOftD7SZF8Q8iGtRPE=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=Hb1UdnWKanYAdYLQmpAVsuZ0tUo+QlbIdIF1Jb/CvgzUQ6PI/DDdjo8m/SJ0UxDux jCPvmtD3uzibfj9jIHsqIj7qsPCwauAISez/oThP3G3YcO6LTtmSNmuHF4w1FvH1m1 tQviGdE2KV3iVQ8KIWt3EKZamr8EK7rd/324iIRHtlHYUHJgGzCfl9DPmSwElMscYm 7H102NKNTn5jL3Q5fday2pTEj5Xt9DKgHfQrR9sPGKOs8nOjJEsc4r0K9sLzgpdVYU 7jl7W8MsFVV0rYhUEdROYnxnWnJ8roRTGtJvhA0AL1Qsop6vtI/e4WcrlR5D2fgDIg B0EXE7Kg1fp0g== Subject: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just installed miata seats (1997) in my 1867 TR4a. They fit well with the Patton adapters. Very very comfortable. Great upper back support. Seated height is the same as my original seats When I install the headrest speakers they will be even better! -Tony ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 20:35:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774E4041D for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 20:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f170.google.com (mail-ye0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD66840419 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 20:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m4so514325yen.1 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 19:23:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:to:from:subject:date:mime-version :content-type; bh=zylw5pK3q1KlKaanu3G0ahtVYD0SbtRuq2VvA8XGTlY=; b=nvaKknGE8nqIZRq7eL3xTfQFpW9acUs90IBE5ITOtOB9e1VWyjjFIXQxSHX3+k/Sn+ tl//gdwxM+jK6xfaL6P8+8ta/i8T/CSqQI7MZidugQECYuQXoerI9kF28nT8rdgX3mdW 6tvE+NTFoilkH/yypN5ENoK6O9/ObbooIIlp2bFeGcMoZkF02TwLH7BJr6kenOJcASpQ NugKdp5uWdoTWWR5LR3wyDgYGtDoMgLKOArdtIbauedmuinn0Ti67PXbc/DL34c9QHZu DXCZ9/BTMQ+Z/ZLqq/BIxizol7mCrGJqv9iOXqVTAmbhmKcW50MxjxZHA1AlkT2Ye2zp l6MA== t65mr13789439yhe.71.1367720619677; Sat, 04 May 2013 19:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (159.sub-174-241-112.myvzw.com. [174.241.112.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s45sm34777975yhk.22.2013.05.04.19.23.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 19:23:38 -0700 (PDT) To: "=?utf-8?B?QW50aG9ueSBSaG9kZXM=?=" ,"Triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?YmthaGxlcjFAZ21haWwuY29t?=" Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 22:23:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Tr4a_miata_seats?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, I think you own the oldest known TR4A on record :) Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T ----- Reply message ----- From: "Anthony Rhodes" To: Subject: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 10:06 pm I just installed miata seats (1997) in my 1867 TR4a. They fit well with the Patton adapters. Very very comfortable. Great upper back support. Seated height is the same as my original seats When I install the headrest speakers they will be even better! -Tony ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 20:58:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7934A40439 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 20:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1816A4041D for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 20:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y0tC1l0031uE5Es552ulG8; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:54:45 +0000 Received: from [10.255.231.26] ([174.254.112.120]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y2uZ1l00U2buxYW3c2ucqJ; Sun, 05 May 2013 02:54:43 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?QW50aG9ueSBSaG9kZXM=?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 21:54:44 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1367722485; bh=7KNtuagGJKcQ3KLnQclT+/sUeZ1VdDAvNhom1bDQXtY=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ll/4u5dpXfgwmlNKmSyWfZYlQlD48Nl/FrvuFz22f/YqEFW+YcdJOZjehl07T8/GR D0izgprh4B1krvkyXRunGzoc41AnWT9RAJfifoKfFRrNPfPzq6x7tXtiRoZe5aKoc5 Xs9YG30OeL4/1t3Q0VGES+Lcox4Vs9UBN6SUT5MoQL7u/aGnLZR/DBYSA3JEZRGn0U ALeKws0x4G4T85wjK8GEpgs5bXknP5ixJ/bOuAo+6AVHiexQNFixbVbFx5h7hjeHUq t9VSbDt1jxHG3/DoTgXNMmpLQaBpi1Is1obvH9LTl+pHSPdJ4mLvjEpt1vA0n3/T9C ZrNvPVVM5J48Q== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Tr4a_miata_seats?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm. An early post unpleasantness model. Does it have the optional bison carrier? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Anthony Rhodes" To: Subject: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 21:06 I just installed miata seats (1997) in my 1867 TR4a. They fit well with the Patton adapters. Very very comfortable. Great upper back support. Seated height is the same as my original seats When I install the headrest speakers they will be even better! -Tony ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 21:11:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A1640439 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 21:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C232D40418 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 21:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y31r1l0020SCNGk5D37hRy; Sun, 05 May 2013 03:07:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.198] ([71.192.208.10]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y37g1l0090E03aX3V37geQ; Sun, 05 May 2013 03:07:41 +0000 From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 23:07:41 -0400 To: "spook01@comcast.net" s=q20121106; t=1367723261; bh=shAImaRFKhopWLUgQHfawu1tbuTU/GYYMH0K7dc/pGY=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=Cj7i7Vy0nkWor/pONkZUfOkZp2+7BCR0Q+LbrWZ6sBhklnM/AIrEnRq8MM1FQRw6N RW4lYqWMa6WI3LFbvVrXXLAVMTTD5Mzf48Rckf34SnCJ7YT+tX+QsMYAVNNfhsrUBY v6IP3vDGx7hTuJqrlC5HEeULaulp01Nz6H0Q7k6/CP4Yz3A+UHxMAiSryjHQkZhe4x dnoq/38Z+smhncEExFIAVq5mse00/+ydeaZGPIht9MeH5tr/GpyK6njYg9jMy2cwR5 jJVH9xJFYP6CSiKP70NJAJirrRnOLU8X2IhLAJ1+lcLaj2uCyAZxjwrqnV+8ByvJUd yrCcMlHXSCZRg== Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No just the cow catcher. I mo longer need to use coal to fire the steam engine. I updated it with Stanley parts! -Tony Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2013, at 10:54 PM, "spook01@comcast.net" wrote: > Hmmm. An early post unpleasantness model. Does it have the optional bison carrier? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Anthony Rhodes" > To: > Subject: [TR] Tr4a miata seats > Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 21:06 > > > I just installed miata seats (1997) in my 1867 TR4a. They fit well with the > Patton adapters. Very very comfortable. Great upper back support. Seated > height is the same as my original seats When I install the headrest speakers > they will be even better! > > -Tony > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 10:25:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1982A40427 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5020F40418 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YFrT1l0020vyq2s51GJ2pD; Sun, 05 May 2013 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YGJ21l00R2xV5no3RGJ2Pi; Sun, 05 May 2013 16:18:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 16:18:02 +0000 (UTC) From: spook01@comcast.net To: Anthony Rhodes (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1367770682; bh=o2eC7JDWHvk9HysCDhIGvejFN9z0D/PnDcLKHlMXc/w=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DlPAeaAlL1wuypQ1gzg8QOBckctdH5X/+YCdmZ/hxitVTj/w8LbEieCtaKY1kE0Jz abQPDeRssH4JVCLTosIP7cbXvcDpXFwUTae4TJhF6sdDdMxoOuVYhr6k5qGHySiouz JXGEDGzjQctnDPv1OYXtZSU6ApYIVGsfbVy/JqhjLbue04KbcB1tg3Arzt9TtaQ0/0 R6zONx7KP15LmcAlJ8q7RrPKNC2WjLKP5JLU1AQtrC0R5U97ZNfm9W6fkdZgmOS671 HH8M/HmOpyvR+4ZvN4FiUB8DR+qNiwlaXV4qHu55XSYsL0CwEgnJAAmSUDTWsE2/Sl 2+tH6rsvcTRSg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ;-) "Life's tough....It's even tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Rhodes" To: spook01@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats No just the cow catcher. I mo longer need to use coal to fire the steam engine. B I updated it with Stanley parts! -Tony Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2013, at 10:54 PM, "spook01@comcast.net" wrote: > Hmmm. B An early post unpleasantness model. B Does it have the optional bison carrier? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Anthony Rhodes" > To: > Subject: [TR] Tr4a miata seats > Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 21:06 > > > I just installed miata seats (1997) in my B 1867 TR4a. They fit well with the > Patton adapters. Very very comfortable. Great upper back support. B Seated > height is the same as my original seats B When I install the headrest speakers > they will be even better! > > -Tony > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 18:57:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EC842BE7 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 18:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E3C40E50 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 18:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id m6so2072910wiv.3 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7h8ty/MFFRAb3v6M15jEfNmziwakTMpFTJCsYPUT7Ew=; b=z41gn/M8uzhf42AlWUSYTaWkOUvhc3N1dAvMSyWqXpuafYrXbRmFmXQpIbCJF0cKoG S250zakpkHKpM2tOgGmlS1EAomOppmUbnCrcQ+dBffmgeCjyCqcUlPxNnswgh7xRG6B5 /xpRrB2jbm5ZMkafZqnnIYy4yL12SaFrdnHzgIv3s6lDDVCMNmBlQ1wDQ3kIceeEEuLd JPtQtMQZeVCFHSe3ihs6wi2MhGEzVqaT2n8aOCuyL7c9r0GviHZ4F9Lvz+vuRHqnTERO 0jZP8svaqEE68pEE1dow0E3vNz3LY8jv8cY0sJtJ7eZ4LQe+FVF2GViqUD1NVTjvF7bL O0Cw== t7mr22870637wju.38.1367801699814; Sun, 05 May 2013 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.134 with HTTP; Sun, 5 May 2013 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 20:54:59 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] EGR valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure I'd want to buy from this seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-1964-TR4-2134-EGR-VALVE-AND-ELBOW-/190833013320? From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 19:43:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E01042C7F for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 19:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from relay10.bu.edu (relay10.bu.edu [128.197.27.117]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85D340551 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 19:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BU-AUTH (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay10.bu.edu (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r461eDwa010856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 21:40:14 -0400 From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 21:40:13 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5J+qc3S7YiYWVhRMy9T201XDvSJg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] '73 TR6 wheel hub cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Might anyone have an original center cover, gray with red TR-6 center that they would be willing to part with? I have one creacked one that I'd like to replace. Thanks, Ron L in North Attleboro, MA. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 07:14:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB6B4054A for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 07:14:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A354E403F6 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 07:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yb061l0020mv7h053dAJsN; Mon, 06 May 2013 13:10:18 +0000 Received: from sz0135.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YdAJ1l00A2xV5no3XdAJHd; Mon, 06 May 2013 13:10:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 13:10:17 +0000 (UTC) From: spamiam@comcast.net To: Triumphs List s=q20121106; t=1367845818; bh=cIx7NLkIK1M4l+JZbeQqVoN8AU7Zf2zrF8pvNrF0XJE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=oSuevXwizYpyMGenAOJyCql8K6B1SfZCmZcYytjZyjxhfv9TOHj8dlMIEg8yVI9cu Hk2VDCiLe3LjzDIXpdfCT47hTVc//ImiUDvgL2fIubHGM+tRlBHQFW5oK+JvhaazJi 1NGAMT+zyPJzXTn+sYlFaDWU0oPcSiwWuPtzYJ0o7rYrBh4tCyKxjiGyL0FE0aF2Jq 5ad1IBSlvR+VGdCCpGTxU/amK06K3yhI8XHfyT5gW5TciuQ3uwMnmSKtZW8e9hglQN bXyjYfVevsEYA//5GN7yFrlLYetN+xtKdUn9UNEZ2wKwrx58QNyjKRbokvc++cRelm RQ+a13/ZvQGHA== Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I fitted the 1997 Miata seats into my 1967 (not 1867) TR4A over the weekend, The Patton adapters worked well, though one of the rear passenger side feet on the tracks seems to have been modified compared to the tracks that were used for the design of the adapters. A little modification of the track made the adapter fit properly. The seating position is excellent. Seated height is no higher than the original seats and with the seat back in a comfortable position, the view through the windshield is actually somewhat below that with the original seats. It is very nice to have upper back support. It is MUCH more comfortable. It is noticeable that the seats are firmer than the originals. With the crude TR4A suspension, it becomes apparent that the rubber diaphragm and the softer foams of the original seat served to absorb some of the suspension harshness. On very rough pavement there are occasionally significant jolts transmitted by the seat that seemed a little less apparent with the original seats. However, I think that is a very worthwhile trade-off for the overall comfort of the high back.B All in all I can strongly recommend the Miata seat conversion! Now to get the headrest beaker systems installed. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 09:02:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BB240ED0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.255]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4458A4056D for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 08:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 14:55:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 14:55:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 14:55:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367852123; bh=7o8Y4yzM5Em7A4tufb9aFgaOWKPL8oNjBBRUiXaiBJg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=5lugwgVQ2CuxJGkSszxglunI2yBAlybs4orcv8q32/s+r6861zdFmYjStLdIegf1Ss+GbuJQm2vPVvv2A7v2BYkEuuIntqVqUz5e4YK7T1zHnRynIsH4nZ60ONrDEGZvhX9awetmezVQ3hKyhH8ZvQrHoQijb4KJIeExfXJLJqc= q2HkTNLgYQU8t9v4bNu7IGseJcg1XPaowlkq25k2HKXEQBJ65UOXQ2a.w1AR jwSESQVGutl7bpYN4_tPAkpvn2gAIQAPe.7jkJjHKEV8J_4QdiQ1Z9O5kyfA k76DZqJVWSEXwLBxAKJxjImb_MAJ.AYo0B4OoXjUeyoFbKMMgFgghehA8dOQ cuUGYlIgP0GOGg1Klwv8bxil3RbjhYxW4avJZQKHD59AEl1Wt4_aLDSphZiu sN8mAgvyjJoFhnpozfQJPFLhxPEPnpTTuQlqVHhHdDwJ_PNfrqHOTVXFeJmL npjZ7Q8WE66eebLki3wkvs4KqdmJ_rOPiRz3UONgxVIvjGWT2wDESQKTPN3R T9aH81wI7029rLKCOuPXQLOCr6c.6KM8cK0CNmyfS5iNFlLK2oGiknf7d0v4 6b03GDVuw2tfVZ7sAoSDmtNLMDcRm5Y67gWQwOnFwZQa_aU.0Fzgrenvr9Ss 1DdYVxMLCS8eyw2J2m1_slV9rRmybsQIwyk7fo6ZQ2n_6q0_VW6HHKEHIJA- - smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2013 14:55:23 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 09:55:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5KabKBm6aO7rrEQ6ewxCalT1OTrg== Subject: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Getting ready to help a friend move to DOT5 brake fluid and the question arose as how to best flush the system and cylinders. I have always started with an empty system on a re-build and have never addressed a changeover. He was told to flush alcohol throught the system afer draining the DOT3 to help rid any dampness in the system, but I wondered if it will damage any of the rubber bits. Also, I don't see how we can get 100% of the DOT3 out, there is bound to be some residue, will there be a serious compatibility issue with a slight mix of the different types? BTW, Happy Birthday to TS30766L on Cinco de Mayo... Ole! Many thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 09:53:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95A5424E2 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A13740FDB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YcPc1l0030lTkoCA2frAM8; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:51:10 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yfr91l00w0GAcNo8QfrA5K; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:51:10 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <4181884CA97D4F7A96D42D63ADD46145@bboffice> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 08:51:28 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5KabKBm6aO7rrEQ6ewxCalT1OTrgABvePA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1367855470; bh=77NbKIv1XEHNxIdmJN/EJhM0VnpkS8qXGg5LmNFlOf0=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U+zDl5ASLkw+Jb2vyxALJO+FTKjMuD/0zUkbedbcnptihCraC2QlZj7SkfwVlf6cR BxHplYttQuBF+/RHm+Tc9MPGZa59UrKxpP+iYBIrVZSZAYWtJ3J2TR+NPsLbSINxcl a/+Epx8Ka+W/GJSTDpL3RbCwy9DWuprpoxY0L+M6sOsq9uNfhHwEQ0kSNKOtPnMBKv pBYTIZZne8gHCIa+d9LuWXpejR2z5p41iLBA6AlXC7r8wzHjkeRv20iTGHG+3ox928 8QITGGI11oS/K4xmI/ZJjKYIzoGnVGgD+PMRHOo1Z2T/uO8hGihfbkeqLZTMlEX/eF cdd8+AEO9lN5Q== Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I switched to DOT 5 on an existing system, no new parts. It was at a tune n tech (professional garage with good equipment) so we pumped out the old and pumped in the new. Did remove the reservoir (TR3A) because there was so much gunk in it that we wanted to get out. Otherwise, no flushing and many years later and I haven't touched it again. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill_beecher@flash.net Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:55 AM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Getting ready to help a friend move to DOT5 brake fluid and the question arose as how to best flush the system and cylinders. I have always started with an empty system on a re-build and have never addressed a changeover. He was told to flush alcohol throught the system afer draining the DOT3 to help rid any dampness in the system, but I wondered if it will damage any of the rubber bits. Also, I don't see how we can get 100% of the DOT3 out, there is bound to be some residue, will there be a serious compatibility issue with a slight mix of the different types? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:10:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEC4427D2 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B1E40078 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B8FF2700000A3 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8F80EE000087 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367859761; bh=3BAzBPP5muCxmu63aH/gy2jTqMWm2bzohpPxygyv/w8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VaP65QoDbDMzRIQWDDWmR98eWL4ym7fnwSCTi3PMibpM/O017vlq035XGBoqWapz2 9x3U5Oy9653lDyWO/ajogjwL6Vva2U65j5ZRu+1R/VjDgHhqpC3Z5h7K7IqZHEi+P/ WorfGpVrg6G8ABBHNv9HlUjWdG6rbkzrCo8emJ4k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b5187e231025a Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 5/6/2013 8:12:29 AM Central Daylight Time, spamiam@comcast.net writes: > It is noticeable that the seats are firmer than the originals. With the > crude > TR4A suspension, it becomes apparent that the rubber diaphragm and the > softer > foams of the original seat served to absorb some of the suspension > harshness. > On very rough pavement there are occasionally significant jolts > transmitted by > the seat that seemed a little less apparent with the original seats. > However, > I think that is a very worthwhile trade-off for the overall comfort of the > high back.B All in all I can strongly recommend the Miata seat > conversion! > > > > Now to get the headrest beaker systems installed. > The beaker system for formulating those analgesic concoctions for counter those headaches from the firm seats and stiff suspension, no doubt. ;-) Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:51:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAEF403E4 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EC9403B9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 03D24700000AA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CF1ABE000088 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 13:42:51 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367862171; bh=AuxSxl4gZmty9K4sm/PgRZfgEhW6CRBmcubNLmQ1sXo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xW96fUQO5yvBug9YKb/NruoMXhzU7lrDMWgR8cbmk/UsJTbFhSF1l3BNINw4z0WIC AKRbvT0MUXDxdMdtDapCZ1pT/MywrsFISWJbOd7y59IdPs0t5Nwcdn1J0i0MGYajJU pU3lMniLU9OIejE6SfWkNpfK/J0RRIxEnSTHRGLw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c5187eb9b4541 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a good time to rebuild the calipers and wheel cylinders. You can blow the lines out with compressed air. That would clean those out, but I don't see any way to empty the calipers of DOT 3 without dismounting them. Even turning them upside down may not suffice. Dave In a message dated 5/6/2013 9:59:41 AM Central Daylight Time, bill_beecher@flash.net writes: > Also, I don't see how we can get 100% of the DOT3 out, there is bound to > be > some residue, will there be a serious compatibility issue with a slight > mix > of the different types? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 12:10:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68831403EE for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C025D403C6 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W25 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 6 May 2013 10:59:31 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Triumph List Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 12:59:30 -0500 References: <4181884CA97D4F7A96D42D63ADD46145@bboffice> FILETIME=[757E3660:01CE4A83] Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I changed from Dot 3 to Dot 5 about a year ago on a pretty fresh brake system. I flushed the Dot 3 out with copious amounts of alcohol, then blew out the alcohol and ran air for a while to dry things out. Dot 5 went into an empty system. It was a very clean system to begin with, and I've seen no ill effects on seals. > > > Also, I don't see how we can get 100% of the DOT3 out, there is bound to be > some residue, will there be a serious compatibility issue with a slight mix > of the different types? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 12:38:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EBB403E2 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBA6403B9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130506183552.FDVX29829.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:35:52 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id Yibs1l00T4qRjhw01ibsmv; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:35:52 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=oFhe5F3su1QA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=IDIH_YJrrRmXqiq18goA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=qJT_scUdj7MJ0jx0:21 a=B7DpOmO28F7MaIYX:21 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 11:35:56 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5Kgg+02VQBYKUATgiEVi3NpxNW2gABfPLQ Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I changed to Dot 5 many years ago, I drained all the previous fluid and blew the lines out as best I could with compressed air. Then I filled the system with DT 5 and bled until solid brake pressure was achieved. The DOT 5 forces all remaining DOT3 stuff out of the system. I only had one problem and that was a leaking left front caliper. So I removed and rebuilt only that piece and after 12 years it has been perfect. And it's spelled "fluid"! Trust me, I know! :) Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:43 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif This is a good time to rebuild the calipers and wheel cylinders. You can blow the lines out with compressed air. That would clean those out, but I don't see any way to empty the calipers of DOT 3 without dismounting them. Even turning them upside down may not suffice. Dave In a message dated 5/6/2013 9:59:41 AM Central Daylight Time, bill_beecher@flash.net writes: > Also, I don't see how we can get 100% of the DOT3 out, there is bound to > be > some residue, will there be a serious compatibility issue with a slight > mix > of the different types? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 12:58:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FFA403F0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF61403B9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=VoNVyoFN_1DjnTbgSNUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=Irp0-qF7ROXffLqu:21 a=48C-gkoh5_pRwsUA:21 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:38234] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EC/42-11869-4ACF7815; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:55:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:55:32 +0000 From: Randall To: bill_beecher@flash.net, 'Triumphs' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- bill_beecher@flash.net wrote: > He was told to flush alcohol throught the system afer draining the DOT3 to > help rid any dampness in the system, but I wondered if it will damage any of > the rubber bits. Methanol is supposed to be safe for the rubber bits. Denatured is a bit of a guess, as they won't tell you what they put in to make it poisonous. > Also, I don't see how we can get 100% of the DOT3 out, there is bound to be > some residue, will there be a serious compatibility issue with a slight mix > of the different types? No serious compatibility issue. They won't actually mix, the DOT 3 stays separate from the DOT 5. If you take cylinders apart later, you may find a pocket of black goo in the very bottom of the cylinder, but it doesn't seem to hurt anything. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 16:58:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815E84042E for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896F0403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 22:54:26 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 22:54:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 22:54:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 54371 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2013 22:54:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367880865; bh=ywDixJ8Nn4kpYH0GQXYH43ZR0ruh3Fd91GCcdlALXdI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gSxYy3k/NbKpt4rPUqinKFHYVmMUN55Zu/n14Op5y680YgBvKVf8nJQG27j6NpKiCugXJpWcu1Nl5S4LiTyuSKO+ugAw2PBk4wyDr++ZonwxaNRL/Ah3EjDkA+0FyiWHFH3NyRxE+UYvhGleF5KIf7aPckyb8zlcVZCBS7xjB/k= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G7PImGkN25Kb0cualpSNT1OSJAtEB2cFIJx0kybC70G08rcTUUfIlhStgtjhtfnJpIoBNzpSHxAL4QGq4UBH6MS/fvlF76F7Hme+z+ox7XZRwjIObJRQfCwbNgxUJvG1TMxeyXGl34Mo5xL6OeIAh9QfUfoQRRl9QKhYjWzqvUg=; 7X__ZgNaMlz.Y3yxUPehTcqXpGdNVCK20xq27_YSqGWRid8SawDtjVr0_VPc YOzNdxyo.xAt1CgN_30u8eBb._hnF4xGf687MxoIBMqimoloXIYgFwyKMtj7 LHvJEXxhvyVVAqScwJ.fe.3fF7XzGfwVo9sWznrCqzeEOKv0NnwVYuy.d9nC ZGG636B0yPWC53rDCWU2Fw1PT008eTpmUUJiVz2RyUUFLFf0ncnVpoqKNq9u Lpj1aW0MZwrVeYSfRgfoDDxSvT8tDY.29sYe.NgC99LDHEUdctDsHK1VXA2q yzfaEkoZ6ONi6wZqwOeIzTLS508SpXcqXyHPEX3yLFdqIGQ6gXJ6CO0QLTcG a9jLtevJQ4x_lxtrVJb_9dvgngKT47QVZWTwKaLi6Zj0eM_Pccq8pmI.9Vq1 BzA42UYUxq_bqgp7Ax8ZrU54Zk.JEQYbV_D5_fXmUUTA5JXvt.H7V_WZsexA CEjxJP1GbeQ-- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:54:25 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBoYXZlIGEgVFI2IHRyYW5zbWlzc2lvbiB3aXRoIEEtdHlwZSBvdmVyZHJpdmUgaW4gbXkgVFIzQS4gSSBwcm9iYWJseSBoYXZlIDgwLDAwMCBtaWxlcyBvbiBpdC4gSXQgaGFzIGJlZW4gcmF0dGxpbmcgdW5kZXIgbG9hZCBmb3IgYSBjb3VwbGUgb2YgeWVhcnMgbm93LiBXaGVuIEkgY2hhbmdlIHRoZSBvaWwgeWVhcmx5IGl0IGNvbWVzIG91ciBjbGVhciB3aXRoIG5vIHN3YXJmIG9uIHRoZSBwbHVnLCBzbyBJIGhhdmVuJ3Qgd29ycmllZCB0b28gbXVjaC4KwqDCoMKgwqAgVGhlIHJhdHRsaW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3A/TR6 Rattling Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a TR6 transmission with A-type overdrive in my TR3A. I probably have 80,000 miles on it. It has been rattling under load for a couple of years now. When I change the oil yearly it comes our clear with no swarf on the plug, so I haven't worried too much. The rattling seems to be getting louder now and causes me concern. At what point do I pull the trans and rebuild it? Is it worrisome enough to pull it now that the driving season is here or can I wait until next winter and take it on as a winter project? What can happen if I keep driving it? Are the trans as rugged as the little tractor engines? They seem to limp on forever. Also, I read in Bob Schaller's excellent book "More BS About Triumphs" that I should replace the needle bearings with bronze bushings. Has anyone else done this? Any comments? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:29:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370404042F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199C0403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:29:20 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=oFhe5F3su1QA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=AtU3ayZHTCd8OnvR8PQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vbPrL9K1nh6YBEnb:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50613] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 3B/48-07431-D4C38815; Mon, 06 May 2013 19:27:09 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:30:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just wanted to pass on that when I recieved my clutch master cylinder from The Roadster Factory, the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic hydralic fluid will void warranty". I was fully planning on using DOT5 fluid until I read the box. Later that week I called TRF to find out what the deal was and the guy told me that they had a lot of warranty returns for brake parts using synthetic fluid and the manufacturer started placing a warning label on the master cylinders.. I am about a month away from getting to bleeding the brakes and clutch and still haven't decided which way I will go. Just sayin.. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:36:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E86540413 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A824041F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=_PqtJ-a6AAAA:20 a=NtHGzAK4AAAA:20 a=LP7rnknuAY9SbaO44E8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GU6fO56_lpUA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:50048] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EF/51-22955-9DD38815; Mon, 06 May 2013 23:33:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 23:33:45 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Connitt Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave Connitt wrote: > Just wanted to pass on that when I recieved my clutch master cylinder from The > Roadster Factory, the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic hydralic > fluid will void warranty". That's odd. "No DOT 5" warnings are common; but DOT 5 is not the same as "synthetic". In fact, all DOT brake fluid is "synthetic" (not refined directly from petroleum) and it is quite common to see the "synthetic" name applied to DOT 3 & 4 brake fluid. For example: http://goo.gl/vwNQU Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:14:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F034041C for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D855403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:11:07 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=oFhe5F3su1QA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_PqtJ-a6AAAA:20 a=G6UNc3cnYlNFRAO5a7AA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GU6fO56_lpUA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50578] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id A9/F8-07431-71648815; Mon, 06 May 2013 20:08:56 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "Randall" , References: <20130506233345.GDDVF.38985.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:12:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have not rememberd correctly. I will contact The Roadster Factory again to clarify this because I would really like to not use DOT3.. Stand by.. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: ; "Dave Connitt" Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif > > ---- Dave Connitt wrote: >> Just wanted to pass on that when I recieved my clutch master cylinder >> from The >> Roadster Factory, the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic >> hydralic >> fluid will void warranty". > > That's odd. "No DOT 5" warnings are common; but DOT 5 is not the same as > "synthetic". > > In fact, all DOT brake fluid is "synthetic" (not refined directly from > petroleum) and it is quite common to see the "synthetic" name applied to > DOT 3 & 4 brake fluid. For example: > http://goo.gl/vwNQU > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:16:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABBB40436 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:16:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643D403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r470CfWI005855; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:14:00 -0700 Received: by dm0206.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9afc) id dm0206.5183c759.44caac; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:13:59 -0700 From: Robert Jones Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:13:58 -0500 References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop> To: "Dave Connitt" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-06_05:2013-05-06,2013-05-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305060280 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Are you thinking of going to silicone brake fluid? It is very popular, especially where a car isn't driven a lot. However, the old english manufacturers still warn against using it due to how it 'effects" the rubber parts. I have used it for years without a problem. If you try to use it in your clutch cylinders, from my experience you will find it very hard to bleed and get the air out. Bob On May 6, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Just wanted to pass on that when I recieved my clutch master cylinder from The > Roadster Factory, the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic hydralic > fluid will void warranty". I was fully planning on using DOT5 fluid until I > read the box. Later that week I called TRF to find out what the deal was and > the guy told me that they had a lot of warranty returns for brake parts using > synthetic fluid and the manufacturer started placing a warning label on the > master cylinders.. I am about a month away from getting to bleeding the brakes > and clutch and still haven't decided which way I will go. > Just sayin.. > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjones@wfeca.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:23:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B554043C for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDE0403BB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:22:53 -0600 (MDT) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=oFhe5F3su1QA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=rcBldY5xAAAA:8 a=pehEXsIIHsFFrbsWVxUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=F3iWlm6Gj24A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:51090] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/42-11869-AE658815; Tue, 07 May 2013 01:20:42 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Dave Connitt" References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop> <89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:20:43 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not true in my experience. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jones Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:13 PM To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Dave Are you thinking of going to silicone brake fluid? It is very popular, especially where a car isn't driven a lot. However, the old english manufacturers still warn against using it due to how it 'effects" the rubber parts. I have used it for years without a problem. If you try to use it in your clutch cylinders, from my experience you will find it very hard to bleed and get the air out. Bob On May 6, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Just wanted to pass on that when I recieved my clutch master cylinder from The > Roadster Factory, the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic hydralic > fluid will void warranty". I was fully planning on using DOT5 fluid until > I > read the box. Later that week I called TRF to find out what the deal was and > the guy told me that they had a lot of warranty returns for brake parts using > synthetic fluid and the manufacturer started placing a warning label on > the > master cylinders.. I am about a month away from getting to bleeding the brakes > and clutch and still haven't decided which way I will go. > Just sayin.. > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjones@wfeca.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:48:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C35040441 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E024038C for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Yplx1l00H53lu5001plyaM; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:45:59 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:38:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a conversation with a moss employee about this very topic. they do this because they want to prevent the common moron, the soon to be dpo, from just adding dot 5 to their system without cleansing it first. there is, according to him, no reason not to use dot 5 in these if proper procedures are followed. I will add my experience has been no issues in numerous vehicles using dot 5 over at least a decade of use. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:30 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Just wanted to pass on that when I recieved my clutch master cylinder from The Roadster Factory, the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic hydralic fluid will void warranty". I was fully planning on using DOT5 fluid until I read the box. Later that week I called TRF to find out what the deal was and the guy told me that they had a lot of warranty returns for brake parts using synthetic fluid and the manufacturer started placing a warning label on the master cylinders.. I am about a month away from getting to bleeding the brakes and clutch and still haven't decided which way I will go. Just sayin.. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:49:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE9840445 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1474032B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Yplx1l00H53lu5001plyaJ; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:45:58 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net> <4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:30:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net nor in mine. in several cars. be careful how you pour it in - I like to use a long funnel with its bottom below surface level. be careful not to create bubbles as you add it and you will be fine. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:20 PM To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Not true in my experience. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jones Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:13 PM To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Dave Are you thinking of going to silicone brake fluid? It is very popular, especially where a car isn't driven a lot. However, the old english manufacturers still warn against using it due to how it 'effects" the rubber parts. I have used it for years without a problem. If you try to use it in your clutch cylinders, from my experience you will find it very hard to bleed and get the air out. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:49:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66984052F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94783403A6 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Yplx1l00H53lu5001plzaN; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:45:59 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:45:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] death rattle??? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know, I may be hopelessly naive here. I picked up a tr3b about a month ago and just tonight finally got it to catch. a most horrible sound. it was that sound like your starter makes when you try to start the car and its already running. it only made that noise when the car started to catch, or in this case did catch and ran for a few seconds on the diet of starter fluid sprayed down its throat. gas line is disconnected. and clogged. and fuel pump probably shot. Ibm guessing bearings? Ibm going to ask this question mostly because I simply donbt know. the starter is brand new, right out of the box. old starter was decimated according to the repair guy. I know the solenoid tells the starter when to engage. does it also tell the starter when to disengage? is it possible the solenoid, which is that thing with the button that sits up on the firewall, is not telling the starter to disengage, and that is the cause of the horrible noise? should I replace it? just wanted to ask. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 20:05:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E733640515 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BDF4043C for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id SHJ84539; Mon, 06 May 2013 21:02:39 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'Dave'" , References: <98F2B93CAF214508B82CEFB2730AD264@Datsun> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:02:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5KxM1g52KKC3KwTRKVG9/zVcvujQAANeqw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] death rattle??? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What does "decimated" mean, in regards to the starter? I would definitely take a look at the ring gear on the flywheel. You may have some worn or broken teeth. Also, the solenoid just starts the starter motor turning. It will turn as long as you hold the key in the "start" position. As soon as you release the key, the starter will stop turning and the pinion will kick out of engagement with the ring gear. If the pinion assembly is worn, (Item 58 on page 83 of the Spring/Summer 2012 Moss Catalog) the pinion could stick in engagement with the ring gear, giving the "start"-ling noise that you describe. > > Ibm going to ask this question mostly because I simply donbt know. > the starter is brand new, right out of the box. old starter was > decimated according to the repair guy. > Mike ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 04:36:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599A1403F2 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 04:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3604032A for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 04:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YyXg1l0020QuhwU5EyZlZF; Tue, 07 May 2013 10:33:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.198] ([71.192.208.10]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YyZk1l00b0E03aX3NyZlGW; Tue, 07 May 2013 10:33:45 +0000 References: <228FD551A1764CEFBF72B7CFB64E254C@DaveLaptop> <1193396762.1736095.1367845817967.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <000001ce4acb$fa96dad0$efc49070$@rr.com> From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 06:33:46 -0400 To: John & Pat Donnelly s=q20121106; t=1367922825; bh=/TuZ2sJ8qzc3e1+6LZb0nV5u/g9T1Htj3Ph3z/wuYEg=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=GEgKu+j015jRd/qYz800arLRzwuzAviuP+3oZbZAkZYvWI/oyVp9LBhWDyvhXWbBZ Vx4yLT1336imhZGeWZnfLv9+c2/sVfPTSX2zagIEfF+2qn1SQLt+ympx4GxAc2k5+a JSmVlyTm8jwxgVjGWOSBxZ0iRmauiTwmrt0Zi9//w2QCwawvEmh6Sp8o5Manj4rlXr 7rjcNor2x0PsnCY+9/WHnA849zZBm35nWN2yMaHBwODFeuNxKBJ+kzzyGJzclkqx4y r2S2z4nMNrQDUAK6HlDptnWk5sGJ0fs8fk6j3TrTnkEV+o3JweW1PqqbNmkWODYm21 J1F38NFmFIjXA== Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Patton adapters allow for the rear of the seats to be slid inward. They pivot around the inner front mounting point. The seats just barely clear the top frame on the drivers side. There is room for another 1/2" of inward travel at the rear of both seats. And the fronts seem about right. Two of the mounts are quite hard to tighten for the 7/16" bolt to the floor because the bolt head is close to surrounding metal and a little covered by the miata track above As my carpet compresses, I may be able to gain a little more inward travel at the rear. Also a thin aluminum plate shim under the two outer adapters on the drivers side would tilt the top inward a bit. A 1/8" shim would probably do it The adapters were easy to use. My seats are 1997's and it would appear that there was a change in the track design on one rail on each side There was a stop added to the rear of one track. This made them add a strengthening roll to the edge of the metal. I did not cut off the stops, but I did have to grind down the roll so the adapter would sit properly on the rail. Not a problem. It took a couple of minutes for each side. -Tony Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2013, at 10:38 PM, "John & Pat Donnelly" wrote: > I bought Uncle Jack's original Miata conversion kit many years ago, but the > seats hit the B-post when pushing the seat back and limit travel. I continue > to use my homemade aluminum plate conversion. > Does the Patton adapters have this problem? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 05:53:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA44403E2 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 05:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C1D403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 05:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS24 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 7 May 2013 04:49:46 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 04:49:54 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 May 2013 04:49:54 -0700 FILETIME=[F8E13490:01CE4B18] Subject: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >"the box had a label that said "Use of synthetic hydralic fluid will void warranty". The labels I usually see call out voiding if silicone brake fluid is used. I spoke with TRW (current owner of Girling brand) tech engineer about a warning label they put on about silicone brake fluid. They put this on because cylinders are made to original spec and have not been tested for use with silicone brake fluid. Therefore use of silicone brake fluid voids the warranty. As has been said, all brake fluid is synthetic - Castrol LMA has always been synthetic, yet it the standard brake fluid. Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 05:58:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FF4403DE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 05:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C1E403C8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 05:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A2652700000B0 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 07:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 78CCCE000087 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 07:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 07:56:05 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367927765; bh=yrUWpxUdkXVNOvINsmChYr+qISefU1srlwyF5ORhCH0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D/OQFvxPBQ8O2/uDUE2YJLL+vfEJmm3CXOoC4f+3/IjVPETn1p6Mp6WV4MjgYd7J+ 1iGkMxsDxqIzL4WxIje+1RJPntWTi1GVpEClUSMAPPurOtiv/ZF15wRNdEo+//d1M/ DFhj2yOm3GYN69hBbqdXuj7Xat6AUQu5M8oGLMU8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c5188ebd54d6f Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If we're looking for testimonials, I switched the TR6 to DOT5 in 1996 and other than the occasional need to rebleed I have had no issues. But that was freshly rebuilt/renewed system. I recommend it highly for fresh systems. But keep in mind that if you just change fluid on an old, about to fail system it will still be old and about to fail. My philosophy is that brakes are no place for short cuts. Make sure they are working properly. Dave In a message dated 5/6/2013 8:46:04 PM Central Daylight Time, dave@ranteer.com writes: > I will add my experience has been no issues in numerous vehicles using > dot 5 > over at least a decade of use. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 06:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AC3403EB for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 06:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4EB403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 06:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMF00CW6HIMP330@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 07:32:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:32:43 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5LHvifcGF4DX4rSkuqPhLDNIe30g== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I'd read about a trick to fill the reservoirs that greatly reduces bubbles and I've used it when servicing my TR6 with success. Take a big screwdriver and place the tip in the MC reservoir and let it rest on the bottom. Then place the DOT 5 brake fluid bottle's opening against the screwdriver and very gently tip the bottle and so the fluid makes contact and let it run slowly down the screwdriver. No bubbles. Just do it slowly. Gary '80 TR8 w/ A/C '75 TR6 Severn, MD Digest > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:30:52 -0500 > From: "Dave" > To: > Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif > > nor in mine. in several cars. be careful how you pour it in - I like to > use a long funnel with its bottom below surface level. be careful not to > create bubbles as you add it and you will be fine. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 06:38:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE93040416 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 06:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78075403C8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 06:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (201.186.252.64.snet.net [64.252.186.201]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MXZ8Q-1V61JN2jig-00WJDB; Tue, 07 May 2013 08:35:50 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "John & Pat Donnelly" References: <228FD551A1764CEFBF72B7CFB64E254C@DaveLaptop><1193396762.1736095.1367845817967.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><000001ce4acb$fa96dad0$efc49070$@rr.com> <43A537DE-9499-4E5C-A438-099356EBA704@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 08:35:47 -0400 4iYTdcy5EmCn806cZlFa4m/Yn1xyerDiwqel3kTppPcd9wXfap qTeRhshWk8tC/Iff7W6MclTUEfNMK8BfgPdSphXpDdSF84Y2lw /y5JV6B3Igp3OFY6WZxQnKQC0SCJ+veAOGgmo2zW8miih/V+D0 RXpixlEGtDZV0IUgRlxN070vA9hqEsxZOk0Gt8KNJvNqELmA2C E9W5TnmPl+/r7vj28WCyTr1SqvYrxacVmPZyy7qY0I6XL7WlKk CsYvNqxwjZPm5sPd8vA2qrexpcygNIwq91NEgjrJWp5W9Y34ln 8sFr/QtAq2kv+MwyzPxOiE6zDMqbkiel6ibzmK4+C Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I made my own adapters, had a set of the ARE adapters and then nagged Rick Patton for two years to come up with a creative, easy to use set of brackets. If you go through here (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PattonMiataBrackets.htm) you'll see the whole development process. The Miata seats are wide but with these brackets, they will slide past the B pillars.............rubbing against them the whole way. It's not a bracket issue but a seat width issue. Tony mentions a seat rail change to his '97 seats that added a stop on one of the tracks. My seats are from a '93 and also have that stop and I didn't have to do any grinding to get the rail to clear the stop. I guess it depends on how your seats were treated during it's Miata life. I also spent a lot of time in the Miata.net Forum getting specs on the various year seats and was told that the surfboard style seat rails stayed the same from the beginning to 1997 and were totally interchangeable over those years. It takes some time to get the brackets & seats all lined up and installed but once done, you can remove or install the seats with four bolts in about 5 minutes each. It's so easy that I take the seats out the vacuum under them! Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Rhodes Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:33 AM To: John & Pat Donnelly Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4a miata seats The Patton adapters allow for the rear of the seats to be slid inward. They pivot around the inner front mounting point. The seats just barely clear the top frame on the drivers side. There is room for another 1/2" of inward travel at the rear of both seats. And the fronts seem about right. Two of the mounts are quite hard to tighten for the 7/16" bolt to the floor because the bolt head is close to surrounding metal and a little covered by the miata track above As my carpet compresses, I may be able to gain a little more inward travel at the rear. Also a thin aluminum plate shim under the two outer adapters on the drivers side would tilt the top inward a bit. A 1/8" shim would probably do it The adapters were easy to use. My seats are 1997's and it would appear that there was a change in the track design on one rail on each side There was a stop added to the rear of one track. This made them add a strengthening roll to the edge of the metal. I did not cut off the stops, but I did have to grind down the roll so the adapter would sit properly on the rail. Not a problem. It took a couple of minutes for each side. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 07:44:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9141240412 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 07:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2537403E8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 07:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMF00BOSKPZEH90@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 08:42:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 09:41:56 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5LHvifcGF4DX4rSkuqPhLDNIe30gACOwNQ Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I should have added that when bleeding the system, avoid pumping the pedal too vigorously! Just do all the normal bleeding steps gently and slowly. Doing so will create very few bubbles. Gary '80 TR8 w/ A/C '75 TR6 Severn, MD Digest > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Klein [mailto:tr6.guy@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:33 AM > To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' > Cc: 'dave@ranteer.com' > Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif > > Dave, > > I'd read about a trick to fill the reservoirs that greatly reduces bubbles and I've used > it when servicing my TR6 with > > > success. Take a big screwdriver and place the > tip in the MC reservoir and let it rest on the bottom. Then place the DOT 5 brake > fluid bottle's opening against the screwdriver and very gently tip the bottle and so the > fluid makes contact and let it run slowly down the screwdriver. No bubbles. Just d > do it slowly. > > Gary > '80 TR8 w/ A/C > '75 TR6 > Severn, MD > Digest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 07:46:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95A940412 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 07:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450A8403E8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 07:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMF00JBKKSGZ750@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 08:43:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: References: <010601ce4b1e$f9104c20$eb30e460$@guy@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 09:43:25 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5LHvifcGF4DX4rSkuqPhLDNIe30gACBKwwAABm4HA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Come to think of it, with the hours spent in bars during my youth, I should have figured it out myself. Gary -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:31 AM To: 'Gary Klein'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Hmmm.... Sounds like an old bartenders trick. Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Klein Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 7:33 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Dave, I'd read about a trick to fill the reservoirs that greatly reduces bubbles and I've used it when servicing my TR6 with success. Take a big screwdriver and place the tip in the MC reservoir and let it rest on the bottom. Then place the DOT 5 brake fluid bottle's opening against the screwdriver and very gently tip the bottle and so the fluid makes contact and let it run slowly down the screwdriver. No bubbles. Just do it slowly. Gary '80 TR8 w/ A/C '75 TR6 Severn, MD Digest > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:30:52 -0500 > From: "Dave" > To: > Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif > > nor in mine. in several cars. be careful how you pour it in - I like to > use a long funnel with its bottom below surface level. be careful not > to > create bubbles as you add it and you will be fine. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 08:26:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E0840412 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 08:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5D6403EA for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 08:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z1c91l0021HpZEsAB2PqFK; Tue, 07 May 2013 14:23:50 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z2Pq1l00E2xZMJ48a2Pqoi; Tue, 07 May 2013 14:23:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:23:50 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Dave1massey@cs.com s=q20121106; t=1367936630; bh=5JtkSf0L0eHrfFPP3vMHyz33vq4s0Ea57nwzU8842Ss=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bGnvBysZ4aqwEN+yn2w6ib3Z97oH6fE4dVUjtnwbmrG4DK+AS1V+nQcMkxWKz36eF kpUqQHjikxi0iPGHB+sKSrWJp+pXyDCrJ9yaXiWTmZZOGqNP0vR1BelBcY2yYM6bT+ 5R7xaTttgpAIMGVIabqfm8E7sIcaF1aBHrXrQi6lOD8+dYzYLlL3Uy+hohrd5SQkAB bwOEePTZgVhYSyLzQ0AZ4zw8l+OAC2nrOZT2cOTLXVJI+802ywti+EuozeyKu1M1x/ KTtHKGhmvsDJlkSJehD5GYyBPSQ2ll5rT93o4eWmq5t7HDWSFouBM6GkyUq3tvc0dN FvsBuLIMvvBjQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave1massey@cs.com > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:56:05 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif > If we're looking for testimonials, I switched the TR6 to DOT5 in 1996 > and > other than the occasional need to rebleed I have had no issues. But > that was > freshly rebuilt/renewed system. I recommend it highly for fresh > systems. > But keep in mind that if you just change fluid on an old, about to > fail > system it will still be old and about to fail. > > My philosophy is that brakes are no place for short cuts. Make sure > they > are working properly. > > Dave Don't forget to mark the MC reservoir. When I found out that uncle jack had been given the silicone when the system was rebuilt, I reached for my labelmaker. No trouble with the silicone so far. I tried to go silicone in an MG Midget autocross car, and things did not go well. I could never get the tiny bubbles out. But that car did not have the proper full rebuilt you should do with a silicone conversion. All my other cars run Castrol GT/LMA and whatever the dealer just put in the Lotus. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:10:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBB14041E for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A7A403F0 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 15:07:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.234] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 15:07:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 15:07:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 3550 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 15:07:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367939256; bh=ZLXAbDmpGlN8RMIQyBfZEy0OK7vtJfSdAFbJ1QIwFzc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gH/HmHomCoNCnvArv2kPvZyrWMkOb9lU+0SXx+We1nonqMo9OztW+11+7kHrg10kn28FIi+KeMwePC6QDlbq7iLL5rymZ5bvK3mc6PfxICD4F3D3c96w1/jjf8sh5EwEpVBN5Wc0NBVgLyZCI6/Y2HPUHlFw11Sx/IxRio59L3k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sY99sAjU5mTOUpIPeuIbzjPrguB5fqYsGBZ1Ak1T/19GYGNtjfudAhpnAen0NUHst7vX6oCoxnoEb7g8YT7zVWdIyLj8DHYf4TphO9tQVj4ft1QFl5Hs+gDdl9rV61lyxMcXHfggtbikArbeDac/pDL5x1GuSYHMCiq0ae65ZVw=; EhrY21c9D2MQTTXnZrXbUqg2icqmOUXo6gKqBe9tY2esBHb6Rg6v0LaQUYDo .FRXteeNUUnEiaGzYh28uZKCTj7jMv2wRjotx9Wvu87xaoQGmSJnRX18PAqn NL5x531J4EVKwWBUQ_hk4V5O2TZM2RZOjmtkSH_lP5DsJvHejyVonB9aAIWh _cD4OvqZ.cALDGuKq.BaqQT4ATJYroM9oYAAumHxe7gUevPK6XKquZGayXy6 LuS7apEm8ixltrq_RZTHydlx3XYBF9tN6kraf66AwzSeG3wHtZySoRNFpwIS 765PnE8U6md9593ldddSe1yTFul16ESbL2_WDsN9ypO8h8x7.8c0az0TE4D_ DW9gHjwXPHG60xjvwrFXLh6SgWQJaIOwP4w4nhcBo8o9Pn4jMpS8YzVwbr3w ZiaTbNNHGjgr22NuJPTON Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 08:07:36 PDT CgppIHVzZSBET1Q1IGluIG15IFRSMyBhbmQgaGF2ZSBkb25lIGZvciBhYm91dCA0IHllYXJzIG5vdy4KdGhlIG9ubHkgdGhpbmcgaSBmaW5kIHByb2JsZW1hdGljIGlzIG15IGh5ZHJhdWxpYyBicmFrZSBzd2l0Y2guCnRoZXkgb25seSBsYXN0IDYgdG8gOSBtb250aHMuCmkgaGF2ZSB0cmllZCB0aGVtIGZyb20gcm9hZHN0ZXIgZmFjdG9yeSBhbmQgbW9zcyB3aXRoIHRoZSBzYW1lIHNob3J0IGxpdmVkIGxpZmUuCmkgY2FuIG9ubHkgYXNzdW1lIGl0cyB0aGUgRE9UNSB0aGF0IGVhdHMgdGhlIHJ1YmJlciwgYnUBMAEBAQE- References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net> <4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK> <04A97B922A394B5DACB159FA3D59643C@Datsun> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 08:07:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. the only thing i find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. they only last 6 to 9 months. i have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short lived life. i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no proof of that. and i will continue to use DOT5. Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:24:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81800403F0 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2705403A5 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 15:19:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 15:19:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 15:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25668 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 15:19:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367939951; bh=pvgeH4wmDep8Y0P3o6m7ZJZwjKgaKH66DTH0vffRNHY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EJJEPuvrWAFzsbAyvRMy+J8xcsTHL2TgUL8DdXMfx655DYjs6hToSBl9tBltC8+35nnklWLTLPSidcwTuy34BiZL/7Z3N6lA45v+zcgXWtKXANIsmfm05RdQSV9DEoHVEOU1EqCvYsZ7NEmfao2L3+uk5/C/A+7lKum4Fm2tWFk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s5CVC+rBUKHy+gGmKWnyvpqz+RwTbZAtDFz1hEBfmKNX056PsGgBMI0njJGqZSt4FmsX8iXLP2qXAWZid6mWOS2AH285/APMrJXc9AE29xchxeXXdYJ3vykemyX2gbp3edwG33r73D+gBvPGGIQiidIhu+wP7CRiOXXCAl8FMeg=; Pg54yDStEnx66anmKFoNFQGhQCGrVLAbo67JE8507eROfIkyvH9TmE5q1DC. bPtzxKXY0_gpLv2riNwk1J2LXS.fLgUhiG1.zeER7xdnQQF0BfUrqbtoZEMl yXB3FpfpeV3yMJr_V5_DdGhis_HI3PVp8t_tgpLbx5990Z9q8Bx.uv1NN5fe _QKcipIPh.qy7YsnnJy2lPwX88wQWHnojgtCgW_5Y.FKLvQa79d8YK0yo6.M lOfR1ye3XYcs1GHrHnbh635Sn4mxO7vX_DGXqza8zI22J631_6bCV6_u_mZe K1UWARgFcvzADfp5YKYbypY1Uib_CxRMfrLyuoodZlhkRbDxs6nN8T4LO3VN X2Ddb7VrG.4yJ1e1clYMc9vco5KCOFacBbdflMKulcK0fVYiHyfY.Bj1._dO qzl_zwhYLGno.SSy7kbMN9d305xTD8jH1 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 08:19:11 PDT d291bGQgbG92ZSB0byBoZWFyIHRlc3RpbW9ueSBmcm9tIHRob3NlIHdobyBoYXZlIHVzZWQgdGhlICJuZXciIHJlYXIgb2lsIHNlYWwgZm9yIHRoZSBUUjMgbW90b3JzLgp0aGUgb25lIHRoYXQgZG9lcyBub3QgcmVxdWlyZSB0aGUgY3JhbmsgYmUgbWFjaGluZWQuCkZyYW5rATABAQEB Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 08:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net would love to hear testimony from those who have used the "new" rear oil seal for the TR3 motors. the one that does not require the crank be machined. 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[174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fn2sm20824778pbc.15.2013.05.07.08.21.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2013 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:21:01 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net> <4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK> <04A97B922A394B5DACB159FA3D59643C@Datsun> <1367939256.92704.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/7/13 8:07 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. > the only thing i > find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. > they only last 6 to 9 months. > i > have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short lived life. > i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no proof of > that. > The brake light switch failure rate is way too high. I loose one as often as you do and have been using DOT5 for about 25 years now (Gee that long??). I replaced one just yesterday. I keep a spare and a 7/8th wrench in the boot. I always thought it failed from the heat as my brake light switch is mounted about 2 inches from the exhaust down pipe. Next time the engine comes out I intend to relocate the brake light switch towards the front of the engine bay away from the exhaust system. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:33:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAAA403F3 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B05403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 256D37000008B; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E6637E00008E; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) To: pethier@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367940659; bh=pMNzy9NA1zrTC/ZvSIhSIlMV22LogrlaFO8Dqpofxkw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EKLZBM1Mo53VBrpltBaAB+c1YoLh/Zn8YVGjw7nCEnyq2+O4Gv1jlPvIFsz1ICDxo ZrODKyT1OCHer+EsvPcSmbcnVz4xSqxANU6y/NZw5hEHVNNroeV3s3vxuE6XJryQyA zr1JUxfIV2w6IkPdqsFtq3WrY4PVPi1AixTuZdWI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51891e325b48 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bubbles will dissipate so long as you don't pump them into the system. The trick is if you dump some fluid into the reservoir and get bubbles, walk away. Comeback a day later and finish up. That's hard to do on race day, however. Dave In a message dated 5/7/2013 9:23:51 AM Central Daylight Time, pethier@comcast.net writes: > No trouble with the silicone so far. I tried to go silicone in an MG > Midget autocross car, and things did not go well. I could never get the tiny > bubbles out. But that car did not have the proper full rebuilt you should > do with a silicone conversion. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:41:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684644041F for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6A2403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z1tD1l00C1bwxycAC3ZwAc; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:33:56 +0000 Received: from [10.224.121.116] ([174.253.80.12]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z3Zk1l0130FweSu8e3Zn3X; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:33:54 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?RnJhbmsgRmlzaGVy?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ=?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 10:33:54 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1367940836; bh=cNINbvvCzoEM9sCgOz5UmdJEw2nnrK75HGsMqaaYF9A=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=matFA5tpnG4oQhL5nuRB067E4uFE/2mV9xuwl88j2s6xOJN1dCh6kBgo93f1DU21O uF4gAnkKVhWSnzUP79MWrj7f0ICquDh9fM69Qh3040Em4NxWy9lpmSgmYcGFrSlPr7 POO3WBQSV3NB4IVa2aA6CTaoowTUafQBLRX/c6hmOQWRTRNzwlIFfAW6s6OxJR2zQQ riTIwZDP6+1qm+XOh2t73ynlxhZNcdxHosKCMhfSJ74f6sKoDdL/fxNODi9jXjq38F 6T8zT/uxdP+qI1fXhrRuyY/zI3mK1wDWFzFcnZy5v412diqDz4U2FyZa+L0onRzp+I HATUBt2wS6ftg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?rear_oil_seal_TR3?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Me, too. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Frank Fisher" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Date: Tue, May 7, 2013 10:19 would love to hear testimony from those who have used the "new" rear oil seal for the TR3 motors. the one that does not require the crank be machined. Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:41:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484A74040D for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92469403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 855DE70021F62 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4F1A1E000082 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367940900; bh=PMbcueNLJ+JQosK0lP6KU1sD4UvID4ko3UPuv6Zz4EI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EBgxDElR6VqHI8g+Au7s9OIVG0jTbetPiK1toCkFZIRH0dP3kaLpgyY+nVTTzI6az ryCdq9gc8poBp+O6nncWWJ5ySvqlSnfvLy7/rBjReVYyKTWtGlk5V/V/qiPOMqkeiR lq0FTUFuf11b9bWZ1q6zrIeqaUL08TGPVNc0zt8g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751891f247b54 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One trick (done by my DPO) is to mount a pedal actuated switch from an MGB in place of the stop bolt on the pedal box. Buy some green and green/purple wire to match the colors when you wire it up. Dave In a message dated 5/7/2013 10:07:44 AM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. > the only thing i > find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. > they only last 6 to 9 months. > i > have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short lived > life. > i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no proof > of > that. > and i will continue to use DOT5. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:43:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01124043E for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0AE403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:43:21 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=oFhe5F3su1QA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=g_FIAULIxZ-LIEOpzIwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:45204] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id ED/FF-16585-29029815; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:41:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 11:41:12 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net> <4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK> <04A97B922A394B5DACB159FA3D59643C@Datsun> <1367939256.92704.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51891BDD.4000104@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, I use DOT 3 in the 3 and DOT 5 in the 4 and they both have their original brake light switches. I have had the 3 for over 30 years and the 4 is in its 6th season with the DOT 5. Maybe it is the replacement switches that are the problem? Bob On 05/07/2013 11:21 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 5/7/13 8:07 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: >> i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. >> the only thing i >> find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. >> they only last 6 to 9 months. >> i >> have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short >> lived life. >> i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no >> proof of >> that. >> > The brake light switch failure rate is way too high. I loose one as > often as you do and have been using DOT5 for about 25 years now (Gee > that long??). I replaced one just yesterday. I keep a spare and a > 7/8th wrench in the boot. > > I always thought it failed from the heat as my brake light switch is > mounted about 2 inches from the exhaust down pipe. Next time the > engine comes out I intend to relocate the brake light switch towards > the front of the engine bay away from the exhaust system. > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:01:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2724042B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:01:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE328403F1 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMF00NVZR1R3840@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 10:58:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: , References: Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 11:58:42 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQLojP1942DH31hiZ04aBd2lItgA+JbFXUHQ Expiry-date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The problem with that is you have to completely depress the pedal for the lights to activate. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:35 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif One trick (done by my DPO) is to mount a pedal actuated switch from an MGB in place of the stop bolt on the pedal box. Buy some green and green/purple wire to match the colors when you wire it up. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:03:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D97240430 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24442400A4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z2yL1l0061YDfWL5C40zQ0; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:00:59 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z40z1l00h2ymm843g40zgp; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:00:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1367942459; bh=ETXcUtaaP51zUOgxA/FkJE5lHlRc0iu6ZO5slwK/IRg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=EH1rn6Dh0x99s//XV5lt328TVDt9UaLugYzGvYNL1RlYjRrb10gB7aBt9ApJ+LHXN fNYRpKh7wBuLa3rDS1yM7NBA/hgSrjtjd1Z+xUVBRaDfkEriPOEt+i5AZXHf+wUs3h /XDzTZwR4RC1jVG+DJMJNp/iSlcAV/Tu+hJhorpqyWi0urcHRj1tQfaNRwJizEsH86 zL3LVkJHfLUUDk6HfcUW4iOn0QisRyx/0210vlSEW1bwdEmwbP3eePEYOZb4DONcgm NkY5JdFncOsUfZulouqDJG1ogRvO0JS5D3ptdu+0Lh0GdhBXy6j6xjGhVgwbeb1bAy IO8cutlhO0q0Q== Subject: [TR] 'O' ring material Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, What is the recommended for 'O' rings exposed to fuels with ethanol content? Thanks, Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:11:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7995140423 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C640333 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.195] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 87615 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 16:08:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367942925; bh=zulwnLBTGxTeLL+S9AXA0Mj6UnFPfevBSyau/oFV95g=; 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Tue, 07 May 2013 09:08:45 PDT bG92ZSB0byBoZWFyIHRlc3RhbWVudCBvbiBhIGdvb2Qgc3RyZWV0IGNhbSBmb3IgdGhlIFRSMwp3aG8gZ2F2ZSB5b3UgZ29vZCBpbmZvIG9uIHRpbWluZyBhbmQgc2V0dXAgYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBwZXJmb3JtYW5jZQp0aGFua3MKRnJhbmsBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] street cam for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net love to hear testament on a good street cam for the TR3 who gave you good info on timing and setup as well as performance thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:13:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8699D40334 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47C84009B for ; 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2HYGXlMPLJatiRSt8YlN5adYNlHAUMsv.tufCL6ST237vFKXASJ5vDqRJtFb 3mVkl6Ho2Scir7RgIJLBWi3Yh0SfI78.hwcjzVrWuH5e.EH.a6wjJ7Uxq001 0ojIBat_JRJOBTh_cgSHd5FpGftVsitpNJlI5aKGanEnVJ8PmnngFAuEb2Yb qLQBBZOW4oBVIdjPGfCoSio72rJPNHJE.M2KwKTj4sLgOJ3qXZGi87rwc8mj NsaPK2u3oHO_Wc04G6rYeobnbP4I_lNlwrOpV1ZhgmRmCOOb76fq7FLj.q7C 2.0BGzEtjt30Pq1vTMOiJoEYFfwF8XLTk7_eDuU9HuGYU2zyBDdOjFe1_Zij zjQVhwXK87E1Q3HaA6J4E0kaJ_.IjDTHwt8.u_XZoKr5qdDvaJcSc8VweTr3 KOQZaUqIYeVf2obBhOJ5CXdwFJu9JzsrHd4iW1TYcss3h8W9GCFLPjItDEMq 1NAfVDh1gkghwNzZcmTNu Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 09:10:23 PDT eWVzIG1heWJlCmkgcmVjYWxsIHRoZSBvcmlnaW5hbCBsYXN0ZWQgdGhlIGxvbmdlc3QuIGJ1dCBpdCB3YXMgNTAgeWVhcnMgb2xkIHNvIGkgY2FudCBibGFtZSBhbnl0aGluZyBidXkgbWF5YmUgdGltZSBmb3IgdGhhdCBmYWlsdXJlIQrCoArCoAoKRnJvbTogQm9iIExhYnV6IDx5ZWxsb3d0ckBhZGVscGhpYS5uZXQ.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogVHVlc2RheSwgTWF5IDcsIDIwMTMgODo0MSBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RSXSBDaGFuZ2luZyBmcm9tIERPVCAzIHRvIERPVCABMAEBAQE- References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net> <4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK> <04A97B922A394B5DACB159FA3D59643C@Datsun> <1367939256.92704.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51891BDD.4000104@gmail.com> <51892098.2090909@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Bob Labuz , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net yes maybe i recall the original lasted the longest. but it was 50 years old so i cant blame anything buy maybe time for that failure! From: Bob Labuz To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif All, I use DOT 3 in the 3 and DOT 5 in the 4 and they both have their original brake light switches. I have had the 3 for over 30 years and the 4 is in its 6th season with the DOT 5. Maybe it is the replacement switches that are the problem? Bob On 05/07/2013 11:21 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 5/7/13 8:07 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: >> i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. >> the only thing i >> find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. >> they only last 6 to 9 months. >> i >> have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short >> lived life. >> i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no >> proof of >> that. >> > The brake light switch failure rate is way too high. I loose one as > often as you do and have been using DOT5 for about 25 years now (Gee > that long??). I replaced one just yesterday. I keep a spare and a > 7/8th wrench in the boot. > > I always thought it failed from the heat as my brake light switch is > mounted about 2 inches from the exhaust down pipe. Next time the > engine comes out I intend to relocate the brake light switch towards > the front of the engine bay away from the exhaust system. > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:13:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3414043B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF7C40441 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z03u1l0030mv7h0594B213; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:11:02 +0000 Received: from [10.224.121.116] ([174.253.80.12]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z4Aq1l01K0FweSu3X4AtlH; Tue, 07 May 2013 16:11:00 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIExhYnV6?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 11:11:00 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1367943062; bh=86jZWhLnOOBNURWRI0nDUt9l3taapMgz7YR1v6mCvJ8=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dh4aAQpcRxQD5ZnDjsI/NqViinwY9OGQWyvzuVmy16D2Cs+RrY0TTooJ4wYOaS1hs BcfiiDPknf3F+jV5hvMhCU4B7ZwGXH0Ta2UZF6jN8LieVslZOnR8Jy7F2VZSQjleQQ otYClxlgEQVV/82ZQbCi24dWJlKvOrfYNMJK6e3GtRyRPNaS65jBY6qhTMlUtL1qVs OoQJrNwp6VveUqH2uBwdy+WlSjLXww3sv3290aY5dgymb+EvNZMU6oFJktKmYj42M5 T0yXZ4n2q3qU5ZR7PZltX1+OcH44s0bCHI77QHHt6BP4A2V4IY8+DLEpdkpiTcr4xP Iweo56QBDEd9w== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Changing_from_DOT_3_to_DOT_5_Fluif?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's the switch. The inferior switches from the East fail. The US ones don't. Also, used or old vacuum brake boosters with organic rubber have failed. Not a problem with tr's, but just FYI. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Bob Labuz" To: Subject: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Date: Tue, May 7, 2013 10:41 All, I use DOT 3 in the 3 and DOT 5 in the 4 and they both have their original brake light switches. I have had the 3 for over 30 years and the 4 is in its 6th season with the DOT 5. Maybe it is the replacement switches that are the problem? Bob On 05/07/2013 11:21 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 5/7/13 8:07 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: >> i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. >> the only thing i >> find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. >> they only last 6 to 9 months. >> i >> have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short >> lived life. >> i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no >> proof of >> that. >> > The brake light switch failure rate is way too high. I loose one as > often as you do and have been using DOT5 for about 25 years now (Gee > that long??). I replaced one just yesterday. I keep a spare and a > 7/8th wrench in the boot. > > I always thought it failed from the heat as my brake light switch is > mounted about 2 inches from the exhaust down pipe. Next time the > engine comes out I intend to relocate the brake light switch towards > the front of the engine bay away from the exhaust system. > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:15:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83E0403F2 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9E440334 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMF0045WROT0Q42@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 11:12:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 12:12:32 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5LPX5yR7d/mzgdT4Kp1c9K4O1cfw== Expiry-date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] temp send unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know the thread size of the temp send unit in a TR3? I need to plug the hole or I'll have a mess when I start the engine again this weekend. Thanks C Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. 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I bought the seal from Joe Alexander as soon as I found out he was selling the Marx seal. I probably have close to 1000 miles on it now and I am not getting oil spots on the floor any more. Since I have a lathe I machined my old scroll seal halves myself to accept the new seal. I don't know if my engine is unique but I find the centering tools totally usless as once you snug down the bearing cap the seal can't move in any direction anyway so it is basically self centering. I had to grind the ends of the flywheel bolts slightly to make sure they didn't hit the seal. So far I am satisfied and since it is totally reversible I am out only the cost of the seal if it fails. Bob Maassel tr3abobm77@frontier.com 1959 TR3A ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 would love to hear testimony from those who have used the "new" rear oil seal for the TR3 motors. the one that does not require the crank be machined. Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 11:00:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E69D4041E for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E93403F1 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:58:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:58:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 54423 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 16:58:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367945884; bh=OVewp6dzJ9Dh2SOmMHLFVV2NY8D54BfpxiqxoJnU4ic=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RGiSwenm9ZU/+OIW+3bKveK9JYzVE7dI02rrNZn8Q6Ksv62meVQJIwelyZ683heRwqwde6pQH35Q6WZl9+BEJPzHhRyanyHaQCma+r7PLB0WcOQqZ4ot98cEJh/bV16qO1724KlMr6MGQTmQfkxHeBh+8D/QdHHswfP/iqdAmy4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rVQrOZENtJEAwBXd3qbff9TZWR7HA1aJ21RTeHKZmXEtrecBYf0cU7yi7CELTxD2NmRIOhOwAYLtddpbLsA2vbBP0M0NK9aMp75ef1HGpr611x8KROZwsPnQhA2YPnfVkhjFzbBqbPxxYRhlFg7A5BK+DcfeFcHS/UdwNcpsq4g=; k6GcT0EfZ4leHnBsgRmiCWMrck79klDYlBi_ETp1MBJd3oMzT3hz77lNt327 lLBbDHEj_saCLdXURuod2lIZb4tPwySs64q8PnsxmqCoLZ18P2d3TbsV7ldk nsx13w4UxhPVUubZaPUez_fbLou7kXc_xVh3i6DkVi_td3rqvHXrlUpP_H9r yIznzakG5EfnIr77Z8op0uQJdIeFseKoPiwZknOvQH82XZwELOjoC8aODID8 FlwsHqLtNCWq_l.0H_9UTteN.u0nhx1Cei8oP3vKPOtN8g0VuS.0Fz9vesRl bzKPqLL1wT8OSjW3KnDpdEoHg5KE1H4.YPMjjwruAWhXKXuyWPSGWZQeKkwG cht04esfi5a1gjouhjg1aYnFCF2ubS52DSzWPngOuJ02fmljFkKfGuak5LMc w08Xhv4QhhJqj5Q.WoZqa.Z2cYfTT.BRiB_8ssDLC02q_Dpmh_OZi2f9Ko9Y oDMNisFe1yu.9eVFrEGy4YC.eL0M22xUs73jPozf6J2Ot0PScVTP_jDs5 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 09:58:04 PDT Qm9iCnNvIHRoZSBzZWFsIGlzIG5vdCBhIGtpdD8KaSBkbyBoYXZlIHNvbWUgYWNjZXNzZXMgdG8gYSBtYWNoaW5lIHNob3AsIGJ1dCB0aGVyZSBpcyB3b3JrIHRvIGJlIGRvbmUgYW5kIHRoZXJlZm9yZSBpdHMgbm90IGEgImJvbHQgb24ga2l0IiA_Pz8_CsKgCkZyYW5rCgpGcm9tOiAidHIzYWJvYm03N0Bmcm9udGllci5jb20iIDx0cjNhYm9ibTc3QGZyb250aWVyLmNvbT4KVG86IEZyYW5rIEZpc2hlciA8eWVsbG93dHIzQHlhaG9vLmNvbT47ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGEBMAEBAQE- References: <1367939951.21680.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1367943831.54664.YahooMailNeo@web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "tr3abobm77@frontier.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob so the seal is not a kit? i do have some accesses to a machine shop, but there is work to be done and therefore its not a "bolt on kit" ???? Frank From: "tr3abobm77@frontier.com" To: Frank Fisher ; "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 I did mine two years ago. I bought the seal from Joe Alexander as soon as I found out he was selling the Marx seal. I probably have close to 1000 miles on it now and I am not getting oil spots on the floor any more. Since I have a lathe I machined my old scroll seal halves myself to accept the new seal. I don't know if my engine is unique but I find the centering tools totally usless as once you snug down the bearing cap the seal can't move in any direction anyway so it is basically self centering. I had to grind the ends of the flywheel bolts slightly to make sure they didn't hit the seal. So far I am satisfied and since it is totally reversible I am out only the cost of the seal if it fails. Bob Maassel tr3abobm77@frontier.com 1959 TR3A From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 would love to hear testimony from those who have used the "new" rear oil seal for the TR3 motors. the one that does not require the crank be machined. Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 11:20:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A6C403FB for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC40403F0 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 17:17:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.51] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 17:17:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 17:17:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367947024; bh=DtCqf3Viv/Xl4x+Al7Z57hNQFitmNu3nPCrOyTRHPcQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=5uABYtVItMZXl721QrOuOp05D0PAE0vmBr2u7lD/tEeo8Zs0ipxVob6+kdCRkFXqj8gtpEWoBAbxCPqYaPeBUzQX9re/rpy+tdKGudb0SHWEFdB1QjCSYJsYlrOZZlbgm9gouoHfgdbYDdcd8+uno79oYeo8+4AzrK3sIefpyDg= trDydjZXRT7NL0gpj2o8ygil3Sc0PAuNU2xAaDpClnLQ8VddCkB7cF3MhQiC xsS4y5z2B.te2BBfVhwgUF8w2EwxTcSDYhwqsfDytO3uNUxySebdYJU4a8JL 1Z9kN5GFpnQ._JDt9TgOCv72FZzDZrwUQ6oR2E7uDaH9mdbvSVIjfnZ3JFWM 0Nwg0scg1O.80b.tsU8SHYRGDeNLzj7FSct7ruXb9qTS.4sIOD4cpHRG2ZAH GYQKdAAtE9rJjifeJRxNNe97fQ1gBxS7BOH22mdpHrrgooaZLwn8uDvrgUr6 qpZpfotTYlteCGmqXy9wn7eGpfChKG.z6JZBqgtkKhfmN.UZzyE7gMmps.gS KHuFdetgXpmAd2S6P579PHj5m0NsLISrO3qD2_VRkTyQ8QYiAAt8ScJP2M38 6qRvOLl1Q0A99Gw7wYNu45PlLlOjtT2fOMmJfUJhtHH1UEhhSzc4VvSvreL9 5n1PBrAK5kFcHEMNKRpkTUQLN_wZmkYTzumjUhCMfW5JAS6Z.Nz6Lu8d71Q0 98JUNc2IjGnxFVWYmE68FXeQv.Q-- smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 May 2013 10:17:04 -0700 PDT From: To: References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net><4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK><04A97B922A394B5DACB159FA3D59643C@Datsun><1367939256.92704.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51891BDD.4000104@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:16:32 -0500 Thread-index: Ac5LNsQPBRCi8VeMQNmGmMdGMS8s3QADpiJg Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had DOT5 in TS30766 from day one in Sept 2008 and never a problem with the brake light switch. I think it is the one that came with the car when I got it, pre-resto, in 2006. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif On 5/7/13 8:07 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > i use DOT5 in my TR3 and have done for about 4 years now. > the only thing i > find problematic is my hydraulic brake switch. > they only last 6 to 9 months. > i > have tried them from roadster factory and moss with the same short lived life. > i can only assume its the DOT5 that eats the rubber, but i have no > proof of that. > The brake light switch failure rate is way too high. I loose one as often as you do and have been using DOT5 for about 25 years now (Gee that long??). I replaced one just yesterday. I keep a spare and a 7/8th wrench in the boot. I always thought it failed from the heat as my brake light switch is mounted about 2 inches from the exhaust down pipe. Next time the engine comes out I intend to relocate the brake light switch towards the front of the engine bay away from the exhaust system. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 11:31:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227340430 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430FD403FB for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMF00460V8C1UA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 12:29:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 13:28:57 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5LSFqkqay7H3HuRkOm3W/lCdmGPA== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] 'O' ring material Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, Use O-rings made of Viton. You can buy small quantities from Marco Rubber. Gary '80 TR8 w/ A/C '75 TR6 Severn, MD Digest ---------------------------- > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC) > From: fogbro1@comcast.net > To: triumph list > Subject: [TR] 'O' ring material > > List, > > What is the recommended for 'O' rings exposed to fuels with ethanol content? > > Thanks, > > Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 11:58:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D210A4041B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DED640396 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 90A9E700043B7 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 624BDE000087 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367949342; bh=PlmIkfbv4rh1t0oNSlZMWoopzvuJJLYBA5r8SdNYHGo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qanpgVC2YwJaPOl4kIIZH9ImGzrf6sYVyZ+Nxbls0MfbsLdkNanx4tTXUcnZYjs8q AEzBh1jzbUSAmIbsA+vhmboTttm9mgmymxHJSoSBXBBioF4aWV44UFtvDYEmErxdJD A718faylO/vWBhwfHjcaFTd4qg0WjQSbrDOtEDks= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33895189401e2865 Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not at all. The switch activates as soon as the pedal moves off the stop. Just like anything with a dual braking circuit. Dave In a message dated 5/7/2013 10:58:56 AM Central Daylight Time, cfmtr3a@verizon.net writes: > The problem with that is you have to completely depress the pedal for the > lights to activate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:35 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif > > One trick (done by my DPO) is to mount a pedal actuated switch from an MGB > in place of the stop bolt on the pedal box. Buy some green and > green/purple > wire to match the colors when you wire it up. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 12:06:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7308840431 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D45403A5 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id m17so817390vca.17 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 11:04:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8YPoiknpjf2qKAjeUyezin0HnYvzbY7/O1DGeYqJlbA=; b=QLGHXgSKsNVtE2Z7ZNwDethJXb57TyUs3jGiurmcRZswee0uBBeHDTLLAfU/8j+Hiz SG8paUMaqLHSwFFSkEoOFpA/cU5EpOW+EV+OOFadsH5SfGoJ/7M+snqjtGvI94kP3nyn 3YxT+6+8/HCmInGAtYocOgD+7VGaFcF2okxpKNDKucQyvBXs5kzBXeAg93DHucdvRo1S d/cGbrLpNWZyRfdi8qxZkO0FKSyZr3zBGyg5qsbl0W3owPGMn/PdACWe1QhUoiNh0STS 5wNDboiw9h6HhycS4Ow6/GeA/hQIFhbqieIrO3S5jnbEO0ppa/cPIGGKQ/BYkNKjpzKj PxsQ== bd7mr2037112vcb.12.1367949863872; Tue, 07 May 2013 11:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:04:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <1232637164.550550.1367942459158.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:04:23 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: fogbro1@comcast.net Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] 'O' ring material Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been using O-rings made of Buna-nitrile (Buna-N) from Ace Hardware in my (ZS) carbs and they have not leaked or otherwise failed. Just my experience, should not be taken as Gospel. Geo On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:00 AM, wrote: > What is the recommended for 'O' rings exposed to fuels with ethanol > content? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 12:20:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6D240423 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5E6403F6 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4C419700000AA for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1D17EE000087 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:18:11 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367950692; bh=yXAQEWHle9JxvWaI/2Jb2ooOxS1RSEyF2b9xcz8iG8s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pLMGwFrOFSnMJaDYX6FSrAGBJvCXp//xLKkZkyJ91RHDAak5TcBdcXask9mkqFoar Gd0VX9Gqf3A8nAPPm5JntnP0h+uveaU28nEhsUserJ7hH44GlqLnGNo3JCUwrWpENd fmhK7RzBnNWHJnPMqmwmfXdCNDeoVo5YA9wylOfs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85189456475c6 Subject: Re: [TR] 'O' ring material Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net According to McMaster Carr: http://www.mcmaster.com/#about-o-ring-materials/=mnd19n Viton is Excellent for gasoline but poor for alcohol so with more and more ethanol being added to the fuel this may not be a good choice. Neoprene is only fair with gasoline but good with alcohol. Polyurethane is good with both but rates poor for compression set. It looks like flurosilicone is the best choice. If you can find any. Dave In a message dated 5/7/2013 11:01:25 AM Central Daylight Time, fogbro1@comcast.net writes: > What is the recommended for 'O' rings exposed to fuels with ethanol > content? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:38:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDC64041E for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f179.google.com (mail-gh0-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E1E40382 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f179.google.com with SMTP id f16so177479ghb.10 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :references:to:in-reply-to:x-mailer; bh=VrMgmRk0ZFwL2bHTGfd7JKtkfDDl4+F/amNFqWy6ZKI=; b=YCLgFABUHtz9OLm02OVoZJ9O5tq80ayQehbKvYSaWwcc4bAODe+8Q5O7PNBrmc59nb XpOmc46wTHoSBagKLBFgaNihlKWCj44DuB9RwJ17sBqdOzadhyEXUok0lpbffx67TdwN 5bPmYaNQ/2MCuIoKl80uwP69GLk2wAnOMp8iQ6HHJhA0DeXZ/0AJKrLFbDjQE7SsDdcT pVSsQf0sFszaH52Hvg7rNLbrrr0RQ3FRmXoRv1gBrsy+/UBT2/bfChcGQK8y4OofxNkD 7ZXga/sv4GF2ELyxB2dM3qYeT3Iq7gWXIWfkbOZipP3NDY4LOaG3DVJV/+VQykjCEWWQ BzaQ== i71mr3379624yhh.149.1367955330783; Tue, 07 May 2013 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] ([172.221.52.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v27sm57642326yhj.12.2013.05.07.12.35.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2013 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:35:28 -0400 References: <591B4665160E483EA04B3318AB736255@DaveLaptop><89D76C50-ADAA-4945-AC53-6C8146A9FC2D@wfeca.net><4798E234A9704131A738EFEDDB392DA6@UserTHINK><04A97B922A394B5DACB159FA3D59643C@Datsun><1367939256.92704.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51891BDD.4000104@gmail.com> <505242C0B6794FA79172DF9D8B12F260@bboffice> To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I also have had DOT5 in my 60 TR3A since 2006 with no problems of any kind. On 7 May, 2013, at 1:16 PM, wrote: > I have had DOT5 in TS30766 from day one in Sept 2008 and never a problem > with the brake light switch. I think it is the one that came with the car > when I got it, pre-resto, in 2006. John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:45:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F3340423 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:45:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C626B40395 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:41:36 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=mermr8Say0gPUgCyA5aFSlB8LHaI/TfIxg4ewsDvHTVrz/+IZrUZi5xH1EOes+ih; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.46] (helo=elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UZnjN-0000Sr-Gq for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:39:21 -0400 Received: from 198.203.181.181 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:39:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:39:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of marking them - silicone brake fluid used to come with label to mark the reservoir. Are those labels available anywhere anymore? Or is the best option a marker? Roger Elliott When I found out that uncle jack had been given the silicone when the system was rebuilt, I reached for my labelmaker. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 15:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1336B40418 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D4040403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=9K3be4jWAAAA:20 a=dTPYD1GMAAAA:20 a=86D5QgapUcdhUXeWYgkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=R4OWBokzUhAA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:47141] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 7B/0D-16585-7EB69815; Tue, 07 May 2013 21:02:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 21:02:31 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > yes maybe > i recall the original lasted the longest. but it was 50 years old so > i cant blame anything buy maybe time for that failure! FWIW, I had much the same experience. The original switch on my TR3A lasted for several years after switching to DOT 5 (long enough that I did not associate it's failure with the DOT 5). Several replacements from different sources (including a switch from a Ford pickup truck sourced through FLAPS) all failed within a year. I thought at the time that the failures might be related to the higher power bulbs I use for taillights. I finally solved the problem on the 3A by mounting a mechanical switch on the pedal box, which was still working fine when the car got wrecked about 5 years later. Likewise, the original switch in the current TR3 was still working fine when it came to me; and failed within a few months after converting to DOT 5. I wanted something a bit more stealthy this time, so I made a bracket to mount the switch inside the cabin, against the pedal arm. http://goo.gl/LbhNv Not the neatest of jobs, but it is practically invisible unless you crawl under the dash and has worked great since 2009. BTW, the hydraulic switches all failed somewhat gradually. There was a period where they would only make contact with very firm pressure on the pedal. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 15:18:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24A540448 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11A5400FF for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.162] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 21:16:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16084 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 21:16:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367961371; bh=HyEhnVA7gxsOucjKzUnRhwxJfTC9TGnlLy7RneILcz0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mVSyWdAwiBTmXGAH3eDn0Hk/dZ146gGDca8Es1ThAwt+JJbOBM19yWQ5yGxVRDWMNaMtTnT7CROoMoSC+1sKBV0Rckk5lwIX2AlAZuAB4kkMJxnux/ozH0osjogtnqs2ln1DDX+0tCVJT0u56hnrRZahJZA2OGQbJfKA6Evg4A0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o4BzFKnnxjuRYffIHb0a954MHL66IlyWlxPipr3tAj960XlZspBAjoUNoxo/B9D7RYfLxJp9YRYwp6v9kynAid55Pdjv//XWduNbV50JDvvbCIVWT5u1vb//+TMJKYonBh/tnncVOvKwDMmbTToLBlf3HJS6uXUCSO6mkLAXrI0=; 0zRDDwRSovYuj3VIAd9a1SHRj8di7jt2Wt2EsBmTBu9t0FtBWX0u6pFavQD2 uAFBgicnroiP3o83vOgLk2znqKMjtuPquWAtOEVeAtaajaoNHfoaaCY3zpWb 9FbGkIHtK9VoLe_A3AjU7C0PSbLLNewt0N20mAV2RnzOF01e1w1cw1l012S6 6ZzR9qoyAMcoWsfJ4Fxx1eUIvaNV2doT9Qs6h6HMO.FsytAokGWYK0CtzEcb dCbojATkd_myh0sfVe5dA2pmaGnYEit8VBeVVuqq77pQHhn5JU85h6u0UA6c 3GgBU90mvLV9Sw70WRaP4ET6qZnrlir_TtU_u1KUj2ckUlQw0ymBvzbRdmHG WVKGYFjzzXSLnQ.F9QTzZUa2uotid9tL00F3qsdFzfIU8jeWV77u4qD9nS5c Il88wJSskzQJ5WeKYKK5xSNGIimWyiCkPSDqeWHDSy6qe_Rp8Ui.Q3sgDKbK Rn7u5IwpXKt_LLfvFq86__jN6BRa9td2PbUzKY1.HZvhUkzOi2MjgzwZ_luA 6soknbHbsyhgy_iLdxzNOIYD_iI6.Eulm5VpOag-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 14:16:11 PDT aSBzYXcgeW91ciBsYXN0IHN3aXRjaCB3aGVyZSB5b3UgaGFkIGl0IGF0IHRoZSBwZWRhbCBib3ggdW5kZXIgdGhlIGhvb2QuIHRoYXQgd2FzIHNsaWNrIHRvby4KwqAKIkJUVywgdGhlIGh5ZHJhdWxpYyBzd2l0Y2hlcyBhbGwgZmFpbGVkIHNvbWV3aGF0IGdyYWR1YWxseS4gVGhlcmUgd2FzIGEgcGVyaW9kIHdoZXJlIHRoZXkgd291bGQgb25seSBtYWtlIGNvbnRhY3Qgd2l0aCB2ZXJ5IGZpcm0gcHJlc3N1cmUgb24gdGhlIHBlZGFsLiLCoCBleGFjdGx5IG15IGV4cGVyaWVuY2UgdG9vLgrCoAppIGhhdmUgbm8BMAEBAQE- References: <1367943023.74765.YahooMailNeo@web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130507210231.MDU10.849.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:16:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i saw your last switch where you had it at the pedal box under the hood. that was slick too. "BTW, the hydraulic switches all failed somewhat gradually. There was a period where they would only make contact with very firm pressure on the pedal." exactly my experience too. i have now found that with the help of a buddy, i can change the switch out in about 2 mins. make switch loose by minimal turn with a wrench. buddy in car puts just a tad of pressure on the pedal and calls out. unscrew switch and screw in new switch by hand while a tiny bit of DOT5 leaks out. add a smidge of DOT5 in the MC to replenish no need to re-bleed, pedal never gets more than 1/2 way down. break out the scotch...job done. From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > yes maybe > i recall the original lasted the longest. but it was 50 years old so > i cant blame anything buy maybe time for that failure! FWIW, I had much the same experience. The original switch on my TR3A lasted for several years after switching to DOT 5 (long enough that I did not associate it's failure with the DOT 5). Several replacements from different sources (including a switch from a Ford pickup truck sourced through FLAPS) all failed within a year. I thought at the time that the failures might be related to the higher power bulbs I use for taillights. I finally solved the problem on the 3A by mounting a mechanical switch on the pedal box, which was still working fine when the car got wrecked about 5 years later. Likewise, the original switch in the current TR3 was still working fine when it came to me; and failed within a few months after converting to DOT 5. I wanted something a bit more stealthy this time, so I made a bracket to mount the switch inside the cabin, against the pedal arm. http://goo.gl/LbhNv Not the neatest of jobs, but it is practically invisible unless you crawl under the dash and has worked great since 2009. BTW, the hydraulic switches all failed somewhat gradually. There was a period where they would only make contact with very firm pressure on the pedal. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 15:33:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0384041B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C240A403FF for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:29:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ha12so1037822vcb.36 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 14:27:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=Qz0+j9L7MsDaQIdLLYh+MvhdpnujOaaNldSQUXdNlXc=; b=PqMxlScW3CcCc0xMuDr9O4ICw4fSG3zcA1HfkiLVxL9wphMJxVkO/JfmVrnoM7BB5Q fj1Mqp6LhQN83IZxg2q0oKon6OZOcJpuG5QdRq/wtifaLeor9kuPIfe/tffp3IkhPfiA KeDFKzTgQzil4qPBR6cWiD3L47c/zXeL88qmPmXJdtj4zOt0tyVPZtCL+lvvYAkAGka+ 51Cb3xhc8KDab4x/n4UkUUVd/NQDKc9zgzibmtmanKlme2J4CVw1rqnZ+34Yz9dn9D7d enHIVlsUM9bNZoZATToGurrtxeGpXU8DALbMe8bPLyFPcUCTj+W+/MQomdSjDaelbPKz sEyQ== n6mr2199148vdd.109.1367962064120; Tue, 07 May 2013 14:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <1367943023.74765.YahooMailNeo@web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130507210231.MDU10.849.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:27:43 -0700 From: Geo Hahn Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking into the BCF archives I see I posted a couple of years ago when it was postulated that DOT5 was causing premature failure of the TR3A brake light switches... *> That's what they seem to be saying. I'll be in the test group on this one as I have DOT5* *> and the switch sold by Moss -- Intermotor brand p/n 51620, made in England. > Switch installed 9/9/2009, 87,853 miles. Now at 92,997. So far, so good. * ** That switch is still functioning at 98,000 miles. Still have to say 'so far so good' -- hope I haven't jinxed it. Geo On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Randall wrote: > FWIW, I had much the same experience. The original switch on my TR3A > lasted for several years after switching to DOT 5 (long enough that I did > not associate it's failure with the DOT 5). Several replacements from > different sources (including a switch from a Ford pickup truck sourced > through FLAPS) all failed within a year. I thought at the time that the > failures might be related to the higher power bulbs I use for taillights. > I finally solved the problem on the 3A by mounting a mechanical switch on > the pedal box, which was still working fine when the car got wrecked about > 5 years later. > > Likewise, the original switch in the current TR3 was still working fine > when it came to me; and failed within a few months after converting to DOT > 5... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 16:07:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF68640418 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0471440046 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 22:05:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.239] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 22:05:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 22:05:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 94040 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 22:05:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367964318; bh=y8pgUhVwQ4olvSeeJ3gEiW0iK8iP2RNqRe/AdzBLB+o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FRJg6aD2b1L9a5srHx4h4xZE26ZJPfVwEocTBxBTP3PNXeL//FrGHS9ym0hAXGASZ8ePpgXe68tQNjFmnNl0I6NSOh8t6VgOd2rSaSFoOxgCgLQv0L7a+0GAUTiQseJ1iOSFHB50XLvWAKrXyE6QJgxJcEvRj2AzwUUkTS7voqo= fKS6Yq3pkymugf799Bbb7uLZqiNLVlflfv.fFyTXOZ2VOh8dhLN_ibsjhti9 DCXcRdsmLF9DMLWp1cHSiFjnm16fmTdVAJpTKRPrOio94ZZSyM30YZKgwA.4 Qhr6r4WG56d9TgVyfGJPStQVuvuntHQn_HftlDuTzVf4mBthAsr0TepEy_H0 AZnPXrHP5JJWLma_3irhTi.jvphqPDNrZ5_JL84guIQ2_911dVjdav77TJKK PLIRUqGmkXwJqHbe44i9KoU6UmN2fivGN00FwbXtV.ptjc2jRD5CfucC_j7b t3oJnz0zrPUU_peDAcFxPebhz7sOSp0XSNQ7DQzePT_fPN3ZiFZSziE6dTUQ d5OOMi66MVSOXUowBniMIvaV3sz2DQ6OQLHNlSOE1SRLLE1B3QoLfVaCUgfv MDJcU3sffQz7XiizypzGGI5QiXTIjY3IbUwp94CBA7cz_iIEUczX2CL1ZmBS u6rUUHj780KzPoLR7XVL6HgLy.xFvXW5e3Pxch8IyguhQvqHKuNMIrqrsFUY a92_qEXRna0jrVpzDdrmlCPUNpBdwMuGamPxoZRPWtNbZYgZX7JzmrYBYbcf uPlOyW0w- Received: from [170.35.224.65] by web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:05:18 PDT QWxleGFuZGVyIFJhY2luZyBFbnRlcnByaXNlcyAKaHR0cDovL3RoZS12aW50YWdlLXJhY2VyLmNvbS8vaW5kZXgucGhwCkNsaWNrIG9uIGVuZ2luZSBjb21wb25hbnRzIC0gc2Vjb25kIHBhZ2UgbWlkZGxlLgpObyBwaWN0dXJlIGJ1dCBmcm9tIHRoZSBwcmljZSBhbmQgbWVudGlvbiBvZiBhIGNvcmUgY2hhcmdlIHlvdSBzZW5kIGluIHlvdXIgb2xkIGFsdW1pbnVtIHNlYWwgCmFuZCBnZXQgYSBtYWNoaW5lZCBvbmUgaW4gcmV0dXJuIGFsb25nIHdpdGggdGhlIG5ldyBWaXRvbiBzZWFsLgpTbyBpdCB3b3VsZCABMAEBAQE- References: <1367939951.21680.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1367943831.54664.YahooMailNeo@web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1367945884.39317.YahooMailNeo@web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "tr3abobm77@frontier.com" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Alexander Racing Enterprises http://the-vintage-racer.com//index.php Click on engine componants - second page middle. No picture but from the price and mention of a core charge you send in your old aluminum seal and get a machined one in return along with the new Viton seal. So it would be a kit in that respect. When I dealt with Joe I just bought the seal and the centering tool and did everything else myself. Bob Maassel tr3abobm77@frontier.com 1959 TR3A ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: "tr3abobm77@frontier.com" ; "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Bob so the seal is not a kit? i do have some accesses to a machine shop, but there is work to be done and therefore its not a "bolt on kit" ???? Frank ________________________________ From: "tr3abobm77@frontier.com" To: Frank Fisher ; "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 I did mine two years ago. I bought the seal from Joe Alexander as soon as I found out he was selling the Marx seal. I probably have close to 1000 miles on it now and I am not getting oil spots on the floor any more. Since I have a lathe I machined my old scroll seal halves myself to accept the new seal. I don't know if my engine is unique but I find the centering tools totally usless as once you snug down the bearing cap the seal can't move in any direction anyway so it is basically self centering. I had to grind the ends of the flywheel bolts slightly to make sure they didn't hit the seal. So far I am satisfied and since it is totally reversible I am out only the cost of the seal if it fails. Bob Maassel tr3abobm77@frontier.com 1959 TR3A ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 would love to hear testimony from those who have used the "new" rear oil seal for the TR3 motors. the one that does not require the crank be machined. Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 16:11:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE0E403FF for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72DC40334 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:11:30 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=XBpSDTAeAAAA:20 a=t6gBywWzJtWHwKHz0hIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_H3GwyEc-GEA:10 a=ddZT45GQ4RAA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:48463] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 1B/58-11869-B8B79815; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:09:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 22:09:15 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > i saw your last switch where you had it at the pedal box under the hood. that > was slick too. FWIW, here's a photo of that setup (taken after the car was wrecked and set out in the rain for a few years) http://goo.gl/nDBE9 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 16:27:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88B640432 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C99E40395 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=cJK7yktdHI0A:10 a=cW4-NtOyAAAA:8 a=jg_yglyPAAAA:8 a=eodFYnl1AAAA:20 a=eNcvUbWcAAAA:20 a=rEARW8G5AAAA:20 a=dbrLIqT3AAAA:20 a=ybltyNd3-pNam_pA5LAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ob310mMS2RMA:10 a=PP7zjwkCWGwA:10 a=Ez2Y-rftH6UA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:48749] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 31/E8-11869-62F79815; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:24:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 22:24:38 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- "tr3abobm77@frontier.com" wrote: > Alexander Racing Enterprises > http://the-vintage-racer.com//index.php > Click on > engine componants - second page middle. > No picture but from the price and > mention of a core charge you send in your old aluminum seal > and get a > machined one in return along with the new Viton seal. Joe doesn't do that any more; too much hassle with the cores (and people who didn't have a core available). Instead, he now has a shipment of new alloy seal housings. So it is a fully bolt-on kit, except that they recommend some light polishing of the crank surface where the seal rides. You can also get the same kit through TRF (who gets them from Joe). Here's a photo of the new kit http://goo.gl/gfv2R and a copy of the older installation instructions (ignore the section on how to modify the old housing) http://goo.gl/bqIF3 Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 16:38:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED554042B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FE2403F4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:38:41 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1367966181; x=1368570981; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=XKMch082/uPK1GvK4hhE6/vFdXQBjAP/yFT7KFv7yfU=; b=RLc MObDepcgwkGjLttuCdzEnKi48lT50tiJrzFLN+OnFSTO56hjWORxdhEidXkhG3PJ kTHlz0fkZNm0e9jy9V+jQKU4h25Lo0JdcSV6PEGRlhd1Wtpe64nY7j3aJHIahruD 8ox4qACSsUU26ZZIMcqlKGYNL785ycTfYFXCWkpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=7PEQyn+x55TPuu8gZ/h0loxM5G6MjISe+XtW13Ahq7UdWY6URdFM2s1kPWZ3 CllUhOy7QdE0poMAA8L7YnchYmlnijUCG/dJIxl9LAiBkItz8jQQKwVEm PtnZEa7PZ6G16NK/95tmhEsdYDaycDmLkE1wPz70bdxgqEVEhMHB80=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 06-md50000133627.msg for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 18:36:20 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 18:39:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] Lightweight TR6 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Several years ago Canley Classics had some space on their web site dedicated to their development of an aluminium alloy cylinder head for the TR6. The project looked pretty far advanced. However, it seems to have completely disappeared from the site and any discussion ended in about 2006. Is anybody out there doing anything in this area? I do remember seeing a NZ or Australian amateur project where they had developed and cast an alloy engine block for a healey. It reduced the 600 lb weight of the iron block to about 200 lbs. quite impressive. Of course, it's all moot; the huge cost of the parts would be out of reach this year, but I'm just interested to see what results were obtained. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 16:43:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7487040403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6307403F4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fk20so1127195lab.19 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:40:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1IEiq1VIGInuqarbgR6i/NC+Rh11NiqKxmJNxU1TA3U=; b=i0vEOZ3nYRv8F6kOc9XD7dxIMX8L1wzMWAs+k/TcRdvuUVFk94k+iGpFWH/RHQE19b fq2KTYrZ+cJF18BkNwFBPqaz8FxphqLfwhCtDkBa5noWHcM5fRRN4XnMkogXRKgPsSTA xhFnCmy1wICUI+/kECsWDwKTgHEeIVjmU25NnvxbVjytTyTS0WKQkraJbo22IgbYbfB2 r4C/s7E7pfYFCw1Fl7XqKRhBeDF/d/uX60IxFcwWUoYAu5PV8xYJJi88l4n0lTKtdor6 uoauYVSta+A5MERmaRBDfJfnz1W5YeWJbbwOKQ3R19EyqkMwUYl2easwqHmPjQc68s9t 0Vyg== te6mr1837700lbb.133.1367966452880; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.133 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.133 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <1367964318.93808.YahooMailNeo@web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20130507222438.EA13E.1282.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:40:52 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm happy with it. Very little oil on the floor. Pretty much a fifty cent piece puddle after a drive. Some is from the breather for sure. I need to put it on the lift and check oil pan bolts. Im pretty sure it aint the seal. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 18:45:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E4840439 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 18:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529C940403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 18:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z66m1l00416AWCUAFCZCzd; Wed, 08 May 2013 00:33:12 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZCZB1l00P0GAcNo8SCZBv5; Wed, 08 May 2013 00:33:11 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 17:33:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5Lg6m7OpEdER10TSKTr9M1a+rYdg== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1367973192; bh=4rqP1BFU/fqShFQ7ikTaAEPCCyCdgb10KjWf/Sj7TCg=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GNrMnqt2QOnyf2A3UNrzTKUKGuTwDiUVEscn9/I3znADUS06iSLrbAKQPxEXYesiy +qBP0TO/yf1peJ0pWYY7gmoMcNQPx1jcickJilXER7u7aLuYxva6qSkY6RSP2mvnqm oK3b1ToaCjjJ3H8AqJmFyGSx6gjjCaLhD0vH9TYnlGhKytxTwfGdI7VxJXmGYsP1FX UbjM+9mwjlh3U9kOUb2GgqCNRYZx5BIc8e1PQbMEThi3UNkOCD7JHyfLMHTC9s0y2o v9u6xwdWbio719Tf7KgZjT/DmLVrL6Q3psC15+Jc4xOhqbwdE6YNLGlMDW5Kal+m7K YA4T5fS2x94oA== Subject: [TR] 3 point Seat belts for a TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have 2 incentives to replace the lap belts with shoulder belts and I was wondering if anyone has used these from Moss: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=32241 If so, where and how did you anchor them? Is there another option? Retractable would be nice, is it possible in a TR3A? I have the earlier sheet metal design with the sloped rear shelf if that makes any difference. Reason 1: My 5 year old car guy grandson (can identify almost every make of car by its logo) is coming from Phila. to visit and he wants to ride in the Triumph. Calif. Law says he has to ride in a booster seat, but the only purpose of a booster seat is raise the shoulder to where the belt is more useful than harmful. Without the shoulder belt, it would be safer for him to sit directly on the seat with the lap belt. I can just see myself trying to explain that to the nice policeman. Reason 2: My wife gets very tired on back road tours from trying to stay in her seat on turns, maybe the shoulder belt will keep her from sliding so much, or at least give her something else to hang on to? I have an interior panel kit from TRF still in the box. If I'm going to install these belts, I'd like to do it before I tackle the installation of the kit. Thanks for any input, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 10:13:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701904055B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 10:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39F240418 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY150-W17 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 8 May 2013 09:08:20 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Triumph List Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:08:19 -0500 References: <1367939951.21680.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[42274E30:01CE4C06] Subject: Re: [TR] rear oil seal TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've rebuilt two engines with the seal and am very pleased. Minimal drips at this point, seal is doing well after about 3000 miles on the first engine. Both my kits came from Joe Alexander using original scrolls, but I suspect the new setup is just as good an no need for dealing with cores. Of course if you do want to do the machine work yourself I suggest contacting Joe to see if seals are sold separately. Instructions for machining the original scroll housing are available. > > would love to hear testimony from those who have used the "new" rear oil seal for the TR3 motors. > the one that does not require the crank be machined. > Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 17:10:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33934044C for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865BE4041B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6D92C70000091 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 19:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.67] (unknown [192.182.189.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 2EA04E00008D for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 19:07:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 19:07:40 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368054462; bh=GXWZRu6eTRJoI8jZtFXye6VMFhUVNm/2XdbCLSTrgPY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=E0f7swKQ0V/r3917f5NGK2/1QFeJOfEVV8lqgpjKB7SoVshgNH2LEdqF1KFA3JPpp W469I/DHjB2UTFUx3RXJyjBZNmQOf6ROQIJR6IDEmhQ3rjN5qvrxAohTi0Krxh2XVv P0C6xNiHFpSL1JcAzGEGukkT2MqeENIR3OQsDcrQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2905518adabe779d Subject: [TR] Viton seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPa I am traveling at the moment. I will contact everyone who asks about this kit,shortly. Some stuff has changed from the website, but everything is available right now. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 17:27:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B31140448 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E32B4041B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:26:26 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=hY7+bS0E0KAa77QsyXIP1qcLTSH6+K+q1GMf3os3RsKAdyupsR6uVyewP0AllcR9; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UaDiM-0008U3-Fv for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 08 May 2013 19:24:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:24:02 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130412 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net These 2 paragraphs are from DOT's '571.116 Standard No. 116; Motor vehicle brake fluids. *Brake fluid* means a liquid designed for use in a motor vehicle hydraulic brake system in which it will contact elastomeric components made of styrene and butadiene rubber (SBR), ethylene and propylene rubber (EPR), polychloroprene (CR) brake hose inner tube stock or natural rubber (NR). *A silicone base brake fluid* (SBBF) is a brake fluid which consists of not less than 70 percent by weight of a diorgano polysiloxane. Seems to indicate that silicone brake fluid has to be designed to work with the same seals that other brake fluifs work with. (DOT obviously doesn't know the proper spelling). Roger Elliott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 21:34:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B413340443 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB614041D for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:33:44 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=oFhe5F3su1QA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=IpccGm-DCBIA:10 a=OlQJpufBBVQw9s0LMfEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D9/8F-11869-A881B815; Thu, 09 May 2013 03:31:22 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 20:31:25 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5MQzqZOLSfx0/LRZK9JIfYaWq69gAHq5ng Subject: Re: [TR] Changing from DOT 3 to DOT 5 Fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Seems to indicate that silicone brake fluid has to be > designed to work > with the same seals that other brake fluifs work with. True, but as usual it's more complicated than that. For example, the term "SBR" refers to a whole range of compounds (much like the term "steel") which can have different characteristics. But the DOT acceptance test only uses one particular blend (which also contains other substances like carbon, zinc oxide and sulfur); while brake components aren't necessarily the same blend. Especially aftermarket seals made outside the reach of the US DOT. Original Girling seals were actually natural rubber (with additives) and not compatible with some common DOT-approved fluifs then either. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 21:57:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4308640074 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26E14041D for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Zfv11l00J53lu5001fv821; Wed, 08 May 2013 20:55:09 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 22:53:01 -0500 Subject: [TR] tr3b starter conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net seemed like a stumper. since I have a 63 tr4, I swapped the starter out of it and installed it in the tr3b. purrs like a kitten. so even though I had a freshly rebuilt starter, it clearly was a problem. and Ibm getting really good at removing and installing starters! I also had a problem with the starter in the tr6, so this week I have: removed and reinstalled a starter in the tr6 removed a starter from a tr4 installed, removed, and installed a starter in the tr3b. I guess a starter needs to go back in the tr4 . . . . ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:29:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF6040511 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279604032B for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id tb18so3112510obb.28 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ATvcs8SmZUPuYZYcjTIKgzxNDhvdhFF4XfnxObYS5F8=; b=W+CGx/B0Ou6bop9dqnsZuMdBvraLsVkQ09TX2d4cXZHxnoUQo0e/7waGVnB9pM7LCN E8ZsF8QaGTGSpYi2aZJQRKAOVBMDpoHLO5Xgxk3Z2gbEmJ2ykM1K7OKZY6L5hEJAGTZJ BHiPYo5D+npfFENzfZJthuvHUeHptOKzg0/OuCrIfluqO1ABk+Nj2bhNb/W6wZNQMEGz 7jWWAFpa9WuXLli7bhKlnFnIjca2nnIOMTwu8v62J5y/EijfW5H/wZvfIA1+nnOoqV1u IzjN8cOlZgd6mqf8EgCG7v3svCa23bg8Di/zPDSEgvrETdAg67yC2NQoSTkuw/Y1IpPn 82NA== dd11mr4580153oeb.76.1368116840484; Thu, 09 May 2013 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.166.170 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:27:20 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:27:20 -0700 From: Malcolm To: Dave Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tr3b starter conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, If you feel like swapping some more, compare the pinions on the two starters (TR3B vs TR4). I had an '85 Bronco II with an engine of mysterious origin. The starter went, so I replaced it with one appropriate for the original engine. It was not. After grinding my way through four starters (thanks, Canadian Tire warranty!) and trying all manner of band-aid solutions, I finally swapped out the starter pinion for one with more teeth. After that, the starter never missed a beat, or a tooth. Regards, -Malcolm On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Dave wrote: > seemed like a stumper. since I have a 63 tr4, I swapped the starter out > of it > and installed it in the tr3b. purrs like a kitten. > > so even though I had a freshly rebuilt starter, it clearly was a problem. > > and Ib m getting really good at removing and installing starters! > > I also had a problem with the starter in the tr6, so this week I have: > > removed and reinstalled a starter in the tr6 > > removed a starter from a tr4 > > installed, removed, and installed a starter in the tr3b. > > I guess a starter needs to go back in the tr4 . . . . > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/malcolm@ipatch.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 12:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65B640562 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA9E40421 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZthT1l0041vN32cADuZAf2; Thu, 09 May 2013 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZuZ91l00V3NmwNy8iuZAY4; Thu, 09 May 2013 18:33:10 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:33:09 -0700 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1368124390; bh=m/x8W1pegviz8/KngqtVGF5Vf7H/0FnV2FgDcvf29Ow=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=hK6vmsIe7Dpixpdm8r1LwvrOO4YhYQWUIWRcCduukenRqjzflSqPXOCe1+0P56r53 gUoO9Td1uR77M07vNQrvNoTAa2zbT0o4R3JCY1Syn7+3VGx0eVSI0NZoXW/gGh+1D5 dg7httzHf3x7p1VGEPZg8ANIJC1odttEL3Gla68sTBPw40eDrO39MxVg4WisatBo6q tzszNvvHTcJkrB+xuvj+a7Xff5n+RMFYO4TcHNlw74yho94/s1gLM7jAy68yZXJLkY lZ/ntp01wv2BKKKBCaemNNFzp9GHJiKvzPGF/lCu5tmI9gMLTLjIMnTGIAxFCWeQIv V9CvF29Uis5tg== Subject: [TR] Small Mouth Brake Caliper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >From what I can see none of the Big Three have new calipers for the 1957 TR3. Anyone know of one for sale anywhere? Thanksb& BTW Have a friend who bought the wrong pressure plate Do you know anyone rebuilding a TR2,3 or early TR4 that may need a pressure plate? I think he would sell it cheap b& "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 12:45:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E268140562 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA5A40453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 18:43:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 18:43:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 18:43:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368124983; bh=jzsNK3gsxgKtnu0yY/LaO+o2vGDliErNQqAqUBLGUTw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=H7VcGbEcblzuUxk9gcu8IlxpbI40dNzf5n4+lFyDziF9cvXfzw/zuvGy9b6Ia16Pc3wrVO8HpxDwoOz7bCQrbqeGXObVitbkz8vWmleH7BNEQ1r7bN2hRry2iCc0jEbgeNi09mqcPSrrdzrf3aK/DUDfQAllW1/MuNYLe8uvibg= OQl9f8MAOfUQMr0DtGV7d6c2_BV5X1r8SfUIMKlBIaKzPE_3QzvzrSynx0uL Kl2i9ql9H_COjeoPYYo5p.OKjB6VDA7OPBp9f3SuVIFne0QdCwT04tFR0Mln 1X1g9ow1H_H.zbPUbqVWaJnJlYzYTanRMBd0e.7AKf8v3XGag_E_LJY9UAzv W.PC0fjlcUr87OhvEbwalGc7UiOY2P6wBLL4UeVfvWBvinRfj5N0S75BU3H1 QEfsvQZ4mufbjq3EFHtn.OaWjVnJ_HvlGe5WT4YBtKoBIBsZzSWL9cAmet9f FVheMFQTsDPD7S.hpkZUEcy9fmhsARR1rOSPESVMrG7lNln.7vicKg9PtQLF 5Oo9m28L1PmdOhsLo.45pHFibTTVJH2FnhuBiY68Yw5uA_nDjJYj_0y.Amkl fnAVfW0gugxYkfefpXJYwP3R_y1aw49wXKlKfHupSVXE91YgkBaWOZ0x4KFL 1YtadyHVJiU4vpJSl9ySWWMLyW.JdTUBnQnL09qINHN9V4PO.FGmetxNNWDO TjTP3AI3xkIUE3FxMw75bhxoTDhggBcOUatquvim5Wkjnbbv_WpFXuCmcUJI eZM2W8.9Q5xUnz2q4P8JZIgvsGt.Gz_en9.uxz5RfEWK.9.Eby6dRMHaURIc ml9MxC7reiNUBOQ-- plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 11:43:03 -0700 PDT References: <10D8EC98-D3C3-48BE-A9FE-6B841F2AF903@flash.net> From: Bill_Beecher Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:42:46 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumph TR4 $500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Saw this on CL, I have the added the phone and a YouTube video if anyone is interested. Car is on the edge of being a parts-only, with a small block Ford V8 conversion. NFI, Bill Sent from my iPhone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVToOVsb_r4&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3792118355.html > tel:(501) 366-8838 > Sent from my iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 13:45:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E237B40558 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 13:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACEA4044A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 13:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 19:41:04 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.119] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 19:41:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 19:41:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368128464; bh=GH+hY7vx680vzSFIdFiP0kgy0do+aXE4e6KfH3h7Hrw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=KottGE4wKUOQY4Y9jnr9dar1Jc++TYDphKCYn0SaOtJQ0IzCVTWJdvIMiGE4ZcNZ0UO8g9AGiAIV5R+Q3z1CLvZdMYhTRS8tEHNeY+dt7rf0I9XZCzyty6AlrYyVKHM/eEJJ0/xxUQNSKHC20YTUzcGDJsGdd0YR5N7WSuus5uo= ktujMC4rcf3IGqv04CwFc3ViqgiS3yrdL_a7joPXVisizDjm_NTxZhATS.fE oIpqFuCupCQBafhLIxyRNjFUhHGGyd7SRb.6261Xxen1Y0xFZkeHEC58E9Tr NQHco_KH37KedHvlAms_UJcwIVgwOVsd25mNubF0oj_TidyM9eQ8K37LK.y6 LysHGjQXPU1K43YjO.9BYGA0v9nU5IBDLeDl2k0pkR2x3mUv8fjmNnr32RFa 8K1cXPeU69hIXDPfJcU_WyHjfDyheXAIcud7ldV6aK7GvrPs0aIwpIdjhM7c Af2nGcHHulsNgHBV1Wsr5hxQbxt4uMbjWDIhjY0tdEm20_Xb7Nu4d.clj0Oj HY7HP4K.6BjTQUCbm.6SPxBEeD3KbU6B8bgNi.7f81BE6D0bzw6oE.JvqpPi AcepOuLPreGmlcCj47OPq.MRnD3b6Ls.jzC7aZdh4VndHz3uKfvPmQpotCyU 7EBFUi6LI5XkUZrTApZkwV0z46EMEcJ4QzwWYUkZP6dnKIktD9jMooEaxjgf 2PSAKt9HwSCdP7NQ3FGwvK8.EeIXgtPqW3TGoG2ZdNkeMpiSre.eUavE_mfM quWgQcdCe08ka7va_GdouYDL25J0EOdHqQ_fcBGcnBHo2MGKr0c_B6sG8v0Y bX7H3XlNe6YQu0pL4JkkgzQ3zo76SV1ej plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 12:41:04 -0700 PDT From: Berger Bob Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:41:03 -0500 To: Listserv Triumph References: <10D8EC98-D3C3-48BE-A9FE-6B841F2AF903@flash.net> <41091651-B601-4F2F-A35E-3388801019D1@flash.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR4 $500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All it needs is a good wash and wax. Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 On May 9, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Bill_Beecher wrote: > Saw this on CL, I have the added the phone and a YouTube video if anyone is > interested. > > Car is on the edge of being a parts-only, with a small block Ford V8 > conversion. > > NFI, > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVToOVsb_r4&feature=youtube_gdata_player >> >> >> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3792118355.html >> > tel:(501) 366-8838 >> Sent from my iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 14:31:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6327040557 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9AC4043D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 20:25:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 20:25:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 20:25:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 23178 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2013 20:25:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368131131; bh=WRexFHxXFI59WceBhu9769PUyXAshXw+LUY8tPPrwtI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pfyqbKRkloX7F20r58kVZvHYUK22BbSgVzSs/921+b3VYuSLAlN9lTbMVpkg6lEbsfQxTiPo6OxNfKZYEjuVK3mx+1Psvim6OS/a9SfxfGFNYVRrrUSTQdfzFC1qPph69kRVjywublsmxDm2BtahX42yaHSBDbh7wfvqjrf6YQ0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XyEjeyur3HqSho8Nk4OwgGUwB3nYp1ZQ/tToN6E88l3CgSx6ykVcGInP4xfVQx+QUFXCQc0b/3Y3dGYPr6P4KQ/sRB43vPO4BmrkgfhR1hDhI6mRJzW+uJV5DPOrVx1CXA749VIuzsJmDsi9f8nvertujIRphXJfrl3cgL7Sbow=; dtlCvnwDPa46.TdKE8lBn2W_WxKUQAIyKKSRjDbcLaHfcM2KwGnG3v3Gjg1d Jo37mxbiSGoXS7nOY0UcsbqJ1pop03GqjyzcoiSiUClUCGNzJm9601pAMmG_ hlezfwVBov2ECvyAN_QcKNalknNicr5c15qARVArYZmLQpMNfHyXxO4eZfYh foZj7lZNMz1wDaPCSx6kbpPS3a6Ihyb1eWfH1cIXNwhG1Q0KDJuTenpnKjMD Mc_PRf_qM8AUjsnXoEoW31beU0ITJ1TWL0mJE3vC4anMV4ql3f.ROtmXTzlP 5l.XWRUVW0Xvs.qk0kjYcBTb1f8LjDxGN72OuqKdu5Rc9AnUcxCILrjM.Fr5 oWEcjnEDEBPoYRc_psikVeicmwvDWZdv73mkPSyYqhwI.ZZdKMdOAoLY5QQr prL1l7pEAdVE.34TB8BAbUhdBGSJfVtbVRT0Re_vDxPd_SIVgD8ikf8f8Uim UZb_xLMMHkUR20aJ0SfCZGrqhH9uSEDdFJfUU8R.7SUUYZT0QlaFOc5FZG3R zGcaonqaSCi89t5I6t2zDadlkrEPGEyqORBLNee9ysSJv66hIjyMAANb4Vwt yG6JO9YXNY0fBpYDXgYoYUttBV8o9YpOpd8R.X8NqkKCff8tzECluQaxwtBU nT6rXbC7zIPNRBvO.lKCwHRTDSrfDhu7GNloB2VC6rW.4 Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2013 13:25:31 PDT aXQgd2lsbCBwb2xpc2ggb3V0CgoKRnJvbTogQmVyZ2VyIEJvYiA8YmJlcmdlcjcyMEBzYmNnbG9iYWwubmV0PgpUbzogTGlzdHNlcnYgVHJpdW1waCA8dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgTWF5IDksIDIwMTMgMTI6NDEgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUUl0gVHJpdW1waCBUUjQgJDUwMAoKCkFsbCBpdCBuZWVkcyBpcyBhIGdvb2Qgd2FzaCBhbmQgd2F4LgoKQm9iIEJlcmdlcgo3OCBTcGl0ZmlyZQpTdC4gTG91aXMsIE1PCk5BU1MgIzYyNwoKCk9uIE1heSA5LCAyMDEzLCABMAEBAQE- References: <10D8EC98-D3C3-48BE-A9FE-6B841F2AF903@flash.net> <41091651-B601-4F2F-A35E-3388801019D1@flash.net> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Berger Bob , Listserv Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR4 $500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net it will polish out From: Berger Bob To: Listserv Triumph Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR4 $500 All it needs is a good wash and wax. Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 On May 9, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Bill_Beecher wrote: > Saw this on CL, I have the added the phone and a YouTube video if anyone is > interested. > > Car is on the edge of being a parts-only, with a small block Ford V8 > conversion. > > NFI, > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVToOVsb_r4&feature=youtube_gdata_player >> >> >> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3792118355.html >> > tel:(501) 366-8838 >> Sent from my iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 15:00:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6391240558 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (unknown [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621D04044A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Zwqq1l00E1zF43QA1wsMYw; Thu, 09 May 2013 20:52:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZwsK1l00S4L5TyG8kwsLgr; Thu, 09 May 2013 20:52:20 +0000 From: Bud R To: Bill_Beecher , triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:52:19 -0600 References: <10D8EC98-D3C3-48BE-A9FE-6B841F2AF903@flash.net> <41091651-B601-4F2F-A35E-3388801019D1@flash.net> s=q20121106; t=1368132741; bh=D372+XEUTPB5FXeCdT0pQR7BHGg3Xjmzg16L0njQ+zQ=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=Mv/pVPWjrBWDT6oL71GY28y+S+CdVHRKwxLsEB4Be6f9WOUUTIqX6TQwMG0Trd2vR bhsprKvN1IjN3SrRto4wR9CPYfK28NiS04eI8f+SCIWZu2TFq4/BSpvqGCejwH9C15 GDS1k3e7Hg6R8rp+r4aQzQqzYYtptvkG6shIxZJ95+UEzxiA2AsCKKXxyE1oOOpj06 LFRyhsNgDNHLYfSAOVCHn/dDk/N2XXUDS2rqIbg2ftJ8XshXC2ZlYx733SUlbAACVE qgJHT3alO+bN5J6hR0AiHyo1Y8Z0U6mYcrcImEQnp7d8IfoF3F5KFqoNSt/4zHgumP UDPOCum8JpTgg== Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Triumph TR4 $500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, Do you have the craigslist link? Looks like it has Colorado plates and since I'm in CO I'm real curious. Especially curious where in CO they have that many Oak tree leaves to fill up the engine bay. Thanks Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On May 9, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Bill_Beecher wrote: > Saw this on CL, I have the added the phone and a YouTube video if > anyone is > interested. > > Car is on the edge of being a parts-only, with a small block Ford V8 > conversion. > > NFI, > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVToOVsb_r4&feature=youtube_gdata_player >> >> >> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3792118355.html >> > tel:(501) 366-8838 >> Sent from my iPhone > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 15:09:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BDE406A9 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476464052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.98.129]) by p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ZwxD1l0052nVhmm01wxDnP; Thu, 09 May 2013 13:57:15 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'William Pugh'" , "'TR3/6'" References: <5A4C24DA-547E-423B-B85F-FEBA5876FC73@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 16:57:18 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQLXtR+lzidwghZkxanP2peh8L1MopbqhSiA Subject: Re: [TR] Small Mouth Brake Caliper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The early cars have an external pipe from one side to the other. But can the later calipers not be used on the earlier cars? -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Pugh Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:33 PM To: TR3/6 Subject: [TR] Small Mouth Brake Caliper >From what I can see none of the Big Three have new calipers for the 1957 TR3. Anyone know of one for sale anywhere? Thanksb& BTW Have a friend who bought the wrong pressure plate Do you know anyone rebuilding a TR2,3 or early TR4 that may need a pressure plate? I think he would sell it cheap b& "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 15:10:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF3440E22 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F29940074 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 21:06:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368133564; bh=IAcInVDu6En4rD29J1y1hZ+Fa4DzVwc3heEMkHsV0Zw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=mEOEDbB2Q1BoUew7id5P/12Ie/F84fGXYBw/aox6ioTYXvI36U+OX52ttT27sfka38RGuAo/ThQHz5PVZPC6SymP5/S/CM84O7orszCBYR2vSjiiyMx4gHlxCwoQn7cq7+dMnpkzG3tvRzJl1wb+3WpaCCiqSEpz5ChOkZe3Mok= QqOYsMpoT_nIs0_x0danDJKvflZVFUPXirI6iYYXL1btbVpXlnM45wWqJ0XX sP.gPSzPTIwipRTgx_iTNKVVn3qBTVrJJhxH1ghXe3YG3BvuKhE3byL3.oa2 tdCsKlOJKoCkZaPsx.1wCRKCendl4ZN8MHiOaOxTXVFDfHbV5O7irYxM2km5 2gPJhZoFHRtrgd113ISFqHdvJytfa2ALQcEhO7JUuDGglZ18Y_01YLRRaf8e LhgkEBYDDWYF6RJtMpFLsfbVFw9fX4hu0NHx.KHaQbAp6cQDhN6JIMLZglsj 5lRl44J9PCEnY6GONSbe9XY_rbNrWrvKHpWEsyOa0nHrqFhMsWcc2yi4YasF evYXUnH1qImfZg1SGMPMcXzgHVQDU.CDnquYS5zplgz8yCkV4VsYiHqHFhd8 7_Q6IZqK3C.zUZatFo7dn5XP4vGtrtk601IUpOPu1_MyqRVk4DX6PLNomniz SNrUaR_C5CJ1Su3usBjW1D3ncJUBzy_Oew6Znxw_pI_lLUEraIvSskMDr1EM 4luLr0T1Q.6P02yIdNDE- plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 14:06:04 -0700 PDT From: Berger Bob Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 16:06:03 -0500 To: Listserv Triumph References: <10D8EC98-D3C3-48BE-A9FE-6B841F2AF903@flash.net> <41091651-B601-4F2F-A35E-3388801019D1@flash.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR4 $500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is the link. It was right below the YouTube link. On May 9, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Bud R wrote: >>> >>> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3792118355.html > Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 16:54:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71BB40E1A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002D40067 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 22:51:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 22:51:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 22:51:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368139907; bh=mYxYb2dQTbmhPhQlTILKd68ZA0yFWsGadWwgs0/S3DY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=BIPauTJR4v+hGl9NRA/LpAKcaDr8EjX6l5IqCPHXfsay6B3fyH6XY8//+C8upALGsEt7kj+7Wpj7BIL9oV5oNkybvBLUvdPF82pKS0Ac+UatxmhnJsW5eCaEYeJv+eEtpYJOCLVAvPXaCFLhRMFPTeXvzAO6JnCNDhesfBEV9jc= pLQK9V6uFjghsH.OAe7zi2nhcwPIn9H7uAPJcaBF9uWgWEPMjYGjzylUweDK I5KSgodRVukBKnf4B7wjFYbw6MQv69iuPNY.BOnj3hL5n7dkkc8Y4Kz62Ot4 XNcf.AY_wHYHAnw0QJdnE6s4Pt7q4VEHFE_GEgULt_fTlT.5NkWvi4lEfgMu Rdk1Xe.r77_FYe9kfKjeW3.eugGvFNRI6vAp59tTkFjQMVZoOph1cUEV3j.m tRoiuXA4RYSb0LNHOKZayWZ0usvxYSNYPyVTy9uOQBNhO7uDd7j40huFDxXn BwG2Z0GUJ5ntqq9qCuOFVhMF8Jbl2LWSrtQvVHp4TNE812jtj.RAP2Emq80B 3wYPVVzK9d4SKvW8ZkptTr4eD4OnJO4thIkuWZi1xXRCXPx8MDcbPrqfHZPB HlBMyFaN4Gth32mtnQDCeAIjiufu81XwPh0HMgqRbA.jTxXsCcyvcfuxKiyx _0kwZO.SZEPn7.1QlTtLowbP9Dr2xPEuVaR1_MGv2dKdIAKZCvRFt8AbcUe6 vFLCVFuQ9YWR0KaK11fIwKv_FOsJ0nDbXa3UaulG8Q4Hr5yJgvxaQSbHKbsD Z3SQLhR.JmF310lib9TBM09WUuLIitwZh6X4b8fn0uPQKt9ZwrSQTWd9vZbQ U7JGBU3ACCg-- smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 15:51:47 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Bud R'" , References: <10D8EC98-D3C3-48BE-A9FE-6B841F2AF903@flash.net> <41091651-B601-4F2F-A35E-3388801019D1@flash.net> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 17:51:39 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5M9xrDKn/bLlO0QK6dVFEKL6dQ3AAEDHIQ Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Triumph TR4 $500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It did come from Colorado, is now in Little Rock, AR. Plenty of oak trees and humidity. She says daddy bought it new. http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3792118355.html Bill _____ From: Bud R [mailto:levilevi@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 3:52 PM To: Bill_Beecher; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Triumph TR4 $500 Bill, Do you have the craigslist link? Looks like it has Colorado plates and since I'm in CO I'm real curious. Especially curious where in CO they have that many Oak tree leaves to fill up the engine bay. Thanks Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On May 9, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Bill_Beecher wrote: Saw this on CL, I have the added the phone and a YouTube video if anyone is interested. Car is on the edge of being a parts-only, with a small block Ford V8 conversion. NFI, Bill Sent from my iPhone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVToOVsb_r4 &feature=youtube_gdata_player tel:(501) 366-8838 Sent from my iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 17:19:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3759F406AE for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [67.18.125.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621AC40553 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 8AB1232FEBC5B; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:14:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E34D32FEBC12 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:14:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uaa2T-0004mc-D4 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 18:14:17 -0500 Received: from 208.23.240.1 ([208.23.240.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:14:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 18:14:17 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: [TR] Rough TR250 near Houston - Craigslist, $2000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In case anyone's interested: just came across this craigslist entry for a '68 TR250 http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/3742748508.html appears to be in Bacliff - between Houston and Galveston. Too bad the ad gives NO information about this car. Lee ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 17:55:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F012040E1B for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D564054C for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:55:25 -0600 (MDT) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=S4DnPnOYWQEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=532RiX5V1eQA:10 a=oaOikFauMvfswOd2iM0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:51481] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A4/4A-12729-BD63C815; Thu, 09 May 2013 23:53:00 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Lee Daniels" , References: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 18:52:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Rough TR250 near Houston - Craigslist, $2000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If it is not all rotted out underneath doesn't look to bad for the money? I paid more for mine and I think it looked worse when I got it, but then again maybe I am not the most astute buyer........ Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 18:16:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839B4056E for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (unknown [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3FA4054C for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fq05IJ8eLV4A:10 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=jro0syxQUaZkjhposPQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:61637] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 86/A6-02984-3483C815; Thu, 09 May 2013 23:58:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 23:58:59 +0000 From: Randall To: 'TR3/6' , 'William Pugh' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Small Mouth Brake Caliper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > The early cars have an external pipe from one side to the other. But can > the later calipers not be used on the earlier cars? The slightly later ones will fit without modification (unless you are a restoration purist). But AFAIK they aren't available new either and some of the small parts are different (pad retaining plates & springs). Starting shortly after the beginning of TR4 production (including some TR3B) the calipers changed again, and those later calipers can only be used if you also use the mounting bracket and brake rotor from a later car. But rebuildable cores for the early calipers should be easy to come by, as are new pistons and seals. TRF offers a rebuilding service if you don't care to do them yourself. If you can't find any cores, email me off-list. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 23:49:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC65640E60 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 23:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B693140E49 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 23:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMK00F30IOX2800@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 May 2013 00:46:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 01:46:16 -0400 Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5NQa/yclMAIELVSDGcM2/J0zfG3g== Subject: [TR] WANTED: TR3 Switch Bezels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know of a source for the original type switch bezels for a TR3. 3/8" ID. I need 2 maybe 3 for an auxiliary panel I am making. See: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/switch -bezel.jpg Thanks Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 06:27:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D61E40E5B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 06:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7974440416 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 06:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.2] helo=mailscan02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UamMl-0001jC-3Q for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:24:03 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UamMk-0006eq-8C; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from webmail13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.13]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id aCQ11l01C0GubkA01CQ1Gf; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:24:02 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=u0KNI6267IEA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=GuAgJ5UpWDIA:10 a=hQmaN8EVAAAA:8 a=hslEOQHppHPWnFE6oJEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=5nPN8ZtB+u9sgRkupnaTZQ==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UamM4-0003DX-51; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:23:20 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:23:20 -0400 mRyw4BAAAAAA==@verizon.net> References: Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 08:23:20 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: TR List Subject: Re: [TR] WANTED: TR3 Switch Bezels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I too, went looking for these. I did not find a source here in the USA and ended up at https://www.angloparts.com/en/search/find?utf8=%E2%9C%93&selection=keyword&searchtext=switch+nut&catalogue=0&searchmode=all Part numbers 161.352, 161.353, 161.354, 161.355 The panel and wiper use 3/8-24 thread size. The headlights use 7/16-24, starter is 9/16-32, the heater is 9/16-28, the ignition is 3/4-32.Greg G. Osseo, MN > Does anyone know of a source for the original type switch bezels for a > TR3. > 3/8" ID. I need 2 maybe 3 for an auxiliary panel I am making. > Thanks > Carl ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 09:56:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACA440E35 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 09:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A409040042 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 09:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id aFte1l00853lu5001FtsrD; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:53:53 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 22:28:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TCF 1402 L ran again tonight after I donbt know how many years. we think it was restored years ago (donbt really know) then left in a storage unit. btw they really skimped on the paint job (sigh) after changing the oil, a new starter, unsticking the back float, cleaning out the gas line and putting some petrol in the tank, it ran with some help from some starter fluid to get it going. it leaks quite a bit from the bottom of the sediment bowl at the fuel pump so obviously I need to get that taken care of. likely just a gasket? if I unscrew the little wingnut at the bottom, it will (fall out and break) come out easily enough? and the gasket goes around the top? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 10:55:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72AB40EB7 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4103F40567 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:55:38 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=kaNfbt03D_gA:10 a=qEiAJ7Vs490C_UPWG7QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:39406] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 58/9D-11869-4F52D815; Fri, 10 May 2013 16:53:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:53:15 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Dave References: <829444747DF34FB5BE346C10CE894D47@Datsun> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave. When you unscrew the wing nut at the bottom of the sediment bowl, do hold on to the glass. Yes it will drop and break. But it is quite thick and if you had a mat underneath I am sure it would be ok. There is originally a cork gasket between the bowl, a screen and the pump body. That may be dry and cracked. There are rubber replacements that work much better. Not rubber but something rubber like. Always good to make progress on a project. Bob On 05/09/2013 11:28 PM, Dave wrote: > TCF 1402 L ran again tonight after I donbt know how many years. we think it > was restored years ago (donbt really know) then left in a storage unit. btw > they really skimped on the paint job (sigh) > > after changing the oil, a new starter, unsticking the back float, cleaning > out the gas line and putting some petrol in the tank, it ran with some help > from some starter fluid to get it going. > > it leaks quite a bit from the bottom of the sediment bowl at the fuel pump so > obviously I need to get that taken care of. likely just a gasket? if I > unscrew the little wingnut at the bottom, it will (fall out and break) come > out easily enough? and the gasket goes around the top? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 11:09:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1F640567 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:09:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B56A40409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id da11so2633006veb.41 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7nRIvOLdRnTpRdzxFR6FPIGNTa94otl4CGp4emsauV8=; b=ot4Z8FhxscM3bdbJsDzZv9kGf4MNHHiIjsAuoLGjpfotpmEua1skNkzAvYwf0bwBEZ 8QU7rO5K6TQJE6MQ+mlGXWty7hVOrETmj8A88HUvbnZWSOtX7U/sp/53qAmmHuJG/AHi TN4dkGnUjfSLDEBKTw+UnVq1YyWLOIr2av0MEqCDFhZYUm5oAF9rBnNCVcY+kUhD2u+N d6Q+l0r+Mn2ieXi++G/lhEoIS4CZOzoSIbj22ntKzQeEBxQedqLtPbphkPzsei7S5fgY iOcphvNMk4ArKmzMju+HesC8wD+QtQDyUmRde+es92TJ4WjEtzuB9zKG0q4T2qdwCoQB 34KQ== i8mr11623116vcj.44.1368205543541; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <829444747DF34FB5BE346C10CE894D47@Datsun> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:05:43 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Dave wrote: > ... it leaks quite a bit from the bottom of the sediment bowl at the fuel > pump so > obviously I need to get that taken care of. likely just a gasket? Hopefully a new gasket will stop the leak but sometimes a PO has tightened that bale a bit too enthusiastically and caused the portion of the casting that is the top of the bowl to bow a bit making it hard to get a good seal. The pump is a sort of pot metal and bends rather easily, but when I have encountered such a bow I have been able to rebend the top back into nearly flat condition. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:20:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AC640EB0 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99EB403F8 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 784267002D179 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dda003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dda003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.9]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BD025E000081 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Full-name: McGaheyRx Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:17:06 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368209827; bh=juoWIgagmWwyOKf0Cx9tMTDaOQCOtMHAsz/HEsWUoWU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NhUGdN/8WqpbAB/HiqWJCFEfwg4raHsU4V6LtNrXqIek+oSRWn4ziqYrvYl0De9/p Zmntt4kmsqjGylWsiauirxrxqVm8Dr7m48FBPYb3o//e+MPGkPIsh4TaP/rGoRskhG bxMv1vqVhF+AgYPImoZ2ugd95Ls+DH6UhStwdo9g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389518d39a27fb6 Subject: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...the one that comes out of the wiring harness in 2 strands and attaches via ring terminal to the bolt on top of the steering rack - what purpose does this serve? I am installing a NEW steering rack which has no provision for attaching any wire to it and it is not immediately obvious to me whether i need to attach that wire to some other ground point - or ground the rack at some other point - or both? Thanks, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:25:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F96540EA1 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A594052E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=kaNfbt03D_gA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=GppAz9oyAAAA:20 a=fZNC3j-oAAAA:20 a=j7Z30u5hAAAA:20 a=wQfWBAXFAAAA:20 a=GSKgPVfnBn-4r5m_udIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Swc01hyh-7oA:10 a=l62HdxwreCsA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:37448] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 46/E6-11869-0CA3D815; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:21:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:21:52 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave wrote: > it leaks quite a bit from the bottom of the sediment bowl at the fuel pump so > obviously I need to get that taken care of. likely just a gasket? if I > unscrew the little wingnut at the bottom, it will (fall out and break) come > out easily enough? and the gasket goes around the top? If it is that old, and leaking that badly; my suggestion would be to go ahead and remove the pump to "rebuild" it with new seals and a new diaphragm. The original diaphragms will not stand up for long when exposed to modern E10 fuel. With it off the engine, it will be much easier to check the surface that the sediment bowl seals against; as well as understand better how that bail works. The rebuild kit from TRF includes a nice soft synthetic rubber seal for the sediment bowl, that will both resist E10 and work much better than the original cork, IMO. The cost of the kit is significantly more than other sources, but I feel the quality is worth the price. http://goo.gl/tlnZG Get a 1/4" drive swivel socket in the right size (I forget offhand whether it's 7/16" or 1/2"). Sears has them. It will make the R&R of the pump MUCH easier. Justin Wagner had a photo on his web site but I don't have the link handy. So here is a shot of it installing carbs: http://goo.gl/z8KgE You might also want to replace the soft fuel lines. They aren't likely to be original, but still might not be resistant to E10. It's frustrating when they fail, because frequently the first indication is the front carb overflowing. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:25:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED3740549 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D5F4052E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id aJP11l00B53lu5001JP1rV; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:23:05 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <829444747DF34FB5BE346C10CE894D47@Datsun> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:23:00 -0500 Cc: RedRiverTriumph Subject: [TR] oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm not wanting to start a debate on oil, oil weights, zddp, or dinosaur juice vs synthetic. Ibm merely imparting what I discovered today. I use valvoline 20w50 full synthetic racing oil in my cars. it has zddp. it is available from amazon by the case (of 6), for less than my local flaps, and free shipping because its over $25 per case. you do pay sales tax ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:32:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBE940549 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925C34052E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:31:54 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=pCB-XyHB4soA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=5KDIeLe2-NEA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=od50687ElYa_ki2cjHkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:41017] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 78/8F-11869-58C3D815; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:29:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:29:31 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: McGaheyRx@aol.com References: <1175fe.73441fbd.3ebe93a2@aol.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jack, There should be a bolt on the top of the rack where the steering column enters the main rack (pinion). This is used to ground the rack for the horn circuit. If there is no bolt on top of the rack, you must figure out some way to ground the rack to the frame otherwise your horn is sure to give you problems. I believe this bolt is also used as an access point to pump grease into the pinion by removing the bolt and replacing it with a jerk. At least that is what I have used it for. Same applies on TR4, 4A, and 250. Bob On 05/10/2013 02:17 PM, McGaheyRx@aol.com wrote: > ...the one that comes out of the wiring harness in 2 strands and attaches > via ring terminal to the bolt on top of the steering rack - what purpose > does this serve? > I am installing a NEW steering rack which has no provision for attaching > any wire to it and it is not immediately obvious to me whether i need to > attach that wire to some other ground point - or ground the rack at some other > point - or both? > > Thanks, > Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:45:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D09840EB0 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A964051B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170035pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MML00CP4IMGLK80@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.45.178.243 ([108.45.178.243]) by vms170035 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:42:16 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I sent the whole thing off to TRF from my 72 TR6 and for $90, came back looking brand new. Got the soft lines from Moss, easy to replace. Craig On 05/10/13, Randall wrote: ---- Dave wrote: > it leaks quite a bit from the bottom of the sediment bowl at the fuel pump so > obviously I need to get that taken care of. likely just a gasket? if I > unscrew the little wingnut at the bottom, it will (fall out and break) come > out easily enough? and the gasket goes around the top? If it is that old, and leaking that badly; my suggestion would be to go ahead and remove the pump to "rebuild" it with new seals and a new diaphragm. The original diaphragms will not stand up for long when exposed to modern E10 fuel. With it off the engine, it will be much easier to check the surface that the sediment bowl seals against; as well as understand better how that bail works. The rebuild kit from TRF includes a nice soft synthetic rubber seal for the sediment bowl, that will both resist E10 and work much better than the original cork, IMO. The cost of the kit is significantly more than other sources, but I feel the quality is worth the price. http://goo.gl/tlnZG Get a 1/4" drive swivel socket in the right size (I forget offhand whether it's 7/16" or 1/2"). Sears has them. It will make the R&R of the pump MUCH easier. Justin Wagner had a photo on his web site but I don't have the link handy. So here is a shot of it installing carbs: http://goo.gl/z8KgE You might also want to replace the soft fuel lines. They aren't likely to be original, but still might not be resistant to E10. It's frustrating when they fail, because frequently the first indication is the front carb overflowing. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:51:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1408C40EB5 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C324051B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8F8C8700028D4; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dda003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dda003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.9]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 50FDAE000081; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Full-name: McGaheyRx Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:49:19 -0400 (EDT) To: yellowtr@adelphia.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368211759; bh=5ezWM2fJV30TeWlVJVqG3WlzBOq8fQNFYzmjwtHSt7I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tPJ3YVzExhckIfUPH2nVdS12a08QCnGkHJmZBi8laTm8dAWl+U0zGePW732o8fdsu 4pBq0GQpwo0p1vp3yo9alUvqtiVYZd6h8J8raPTuncKFvYlLE/LMsU1CPy9qxtyifp Wm2SIn0UmhWCFlJNBB0+H06u4k6GrlqSbXpBCawc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7518d412f165f Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 5/10/2013 2:29:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yellowtr@adelphia.net writes: There should be a bolt on the top of the rack where the steering column enters the main rack (pinion). This is used to ground the rack for the horn circuit. I know there should be a bolt there - problem is there isn't - looks like a recessed torx bit plug is there instead. I've already determined this isn't interchangeable with the bolt or cap on an original rack. but its useful to know i need to find another way to ground the rack - or the column Thanks, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 13:16:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C76E42259 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1B740406 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.54.145.adsl.snet.net [69.0.54.145]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MU0ld-1V0yEy2aaf-00R3fa; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:14:13 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: , References: <1175fe.73441fbd.3ebe93a2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:14:14 -0400 jRG1ax1X5F7W+C3ScK6l3Dhvk19EriHd0rHx+EFLfC8F9Mg3Z0 OS+2bhyR5m4A/KmxCY1O/fxAPVCDz1c1eg86+FrqKkYWEf7nVA J2RNTdiKRQATy2FKpQY9aLhsI6PcKQcJhKGuDE2ubkAtZFl0fb GLXSEUlgOl9/0ruWOyQsxb0ezEonDE7E/ZV4X4fU1Ou3SstYHV J7Zzk9EHbXHKMQJOuLEjOoEgFdTRF7gp/t2J13Co/A0ru+oqZh nLVwQyGXQnpKc2HNrb1399IsjghSb338yp8C1Xlmo32iQHlbRT aVzHnyqj3miOYb5Nce8ITAVnA+1igEay8ikW/SFKL Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Isn't that the ground wire for the horn? Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 2:17 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. ...the one that comes out of the wiring harness in 2 strands and attaches via ring terminal to the bolt on top of the steering rack - what purpose does this serve? I am installing a NEW steering rack which has no provision for attaching any wire to it and it is not immediately obvious to me whether i need to attach that wire to some other ground point - or ground the rack at some other point - or both? Thanks, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 14:35:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8F640E6C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002CD40E1F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MML006B8NQD0G00@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:32:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'TR List'" References: Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:32:35 -0400 Thread-index: AQJ1Ii4ce7+zVrHPyRZTuHs7pBDQ9AGm9rl+l6P+XTA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] WANTED: TR3 Switch Bezels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Greg & Don - I was aware of the later non-beveled bezels. I was hoping that someone knew of a source for the beveled type. I'll keep looking. (or if someone else has some they don't need.... ) Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: greg@gelhar.com [mailto:greg@gelhar.com] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:23 AM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: TR List Subject: Re: [TR] WANTED: TR3 Switch Bezels I too, went looking for these. I did not find a source here in the USA and ended up at https://www.angloparts.com/en/search/find?utf8=%E2%9C%93&selection=keyword&s earchtext=switch+nut&catalogue=0&searchmode=all Part numbers 161.352, 161.353, 161.354, 161.355 The panel and wiper use 3/8-24 thread size. The headlights use 7/16-24, starter is 9/16-32, the heater is 9/16-28, the ignition is 3/4-32.Greg G. Osseo, MN > Does anyone know of a source for the original type switch bezels for a > TR3. > 3/8" ID. I need 2 maybe 3 for an auxiliary panel I am making. > Thanks > Carl ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 15:04:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236DB42278 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7918540E1F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 21:01:19 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 21:01:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 21:01:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368219679; bh=g/2UYIjduFZoQ1Kl6BxfXQoN0bC/0y7ioSQWmqfJPjA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=EpqG+aTRHxjraGXKpuYfrIVjlABTmcarrvBL33NqRVcWO6uS+GSVb/OHS1Y8UAaZzRigzmxrjevsa1Dghw9UkmNfRTqpVBvnMSAd3sjNCmJoEhhIqfMEAdfroiInfDen+VhjvA+Wz8/AfK3JJ9jE7IVA4VIPO18VPECfxvGl+Pc= U63dmhUOACIqUna_IjbXa3gZEF6zs6QUYMJZi_wrUBKVs7q5uqBn7znQPmRt KYVcB1fstAths6mIz0i21._uwKi3Vg9QVjn7pQ8xPaIksC0RSbJPbNQZI.cv WI5NOrZ5V9cl83yBGSdYMb65cKMdOthNZ1A.ymBt7rOJY545Zxgn1nYCRul0 jEiZym6NG0yeIQSVawHljKOynNol2lmEqAp3Rp44iIH3GDsep7RyyULGyAXw HIIGODjxS33QHovoCJ6XUXCr9Y5552CZO0ebgTlhxZxsClfsSpaRZ1lv.AUw 4FA1hKCB.fQaeU5PMB86ZtyKgHg2Fg8WXGx_2FA3p.yd6LSrVssqn4SzfZYZ LdwJ4fzi16ny420ZU0.JSTE4GZgvlL.vEErdCNCFSYTVZJ_2kfaxMYA2HgGA Agai0lQ5xOTRDsq.Vqh.esCZ.ywN26gFOwDez3g-- plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 14:01:18 -0700 PDT References: <118633.125fe6e3.3ebe9b2f@aol.com> From: Berger Bob Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:01:14 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You could replace the torx bit plug with a bolt. Take the plug to your hardware store. Bob Berger JE Novack Const. On May 10, 2013, at 1:49 PM, McGaheyRx@aol.com wrote: > > I know there should be a bolt there - problem is there isn't - looks like > a recessed torx bit plug is there instead. > > Thanks, > Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 15:16:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C608B40E1F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1782C40E1F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 226-226.speede.golden.net ([216.59.226.226] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UaudP-0006KW-A5; Fri, 10 May 2013 17:13:47 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:13:46 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-05-10, at 2:00 PM, Dave wrote: > > it leaks quite a bit from the bottom of the sediment bowl at the fuel pump so > obviously I need to get that taken care of. likely just a gasket? if I > unscrew the little wingnut at the bottom, it will (fall out and break) come > out easily enough? and the gasket goes around the top? Others have suggested answers to your actual diagnosis, but don't forget that ANY leak at the fuel pump will drip down and present itself as a leak at the sediment bowl because it is the lowest point. Make sure the inlet from the tank and the outlet to the carb are not the culprits. These are both compression fittings (5/16" into the fuel pump and <" out to the carbs) and there have been issues with misfitting "olives" where the tube nut bottoms out in the pump fitting before there is sufficient compression of the olive to make a seal. If that is the case and you cannot get a proper replacement, there is a "fix" that has been floating around for years. If you need a copy of that fix, email me and I will send it along. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 22:39:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B672426BB for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 22:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3459F424D8 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 22:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [72.95.40.163]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMM008O5A5I4LH0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 May 2013 23:36:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Note" To: "Berger Bob" , References: <118633.125fe6e3.3ebe9b2f@aol.com> <0DF6B67F-BE0D-4772-8431-9F09D7CA0ACA@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 00:36:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just replaced my rack also. There is no provision (that I can see) for the horn ground wire. The plug at the pinion is a large (~3/4"?) recessed female hex nut, and no way to attach a ground wire. I recall that someone else had drilled a very small hole in the area for a ground wire. I was annoyed initially, until I tried the horns and they work fine w/o the ground wire (so far?). Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berger Bob" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. > You could replace the torx bit plug with a bolt. Take the plug to your > hardware store. > > Bob Berger > JE Novack Const. > > On May 10, 2013, at 1:49 PM, McGaheyRx@aol.com wrote: > >> >> I know there should be a bolt there - problem is there isn't - looks >> like >> a recessed torx bit plug is there instead. >> >> Thanks, >> Jack Mc > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 14:28:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC8140ED7 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 14:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E400040415 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 14:23:49 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=NbA6MWoOlS8A:10 a=n5y7Imt1b7rvMU0AiKgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=1nj6Dtko4V2dFws5S9MA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=J0JFomu0e8gt6PKR:21 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50636] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id FD/41-16581-A38AE815; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:21:14 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 16:24:34 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A Windshield WIper Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, While installing my new wire harness, I found out my windshield wiper switch isn't working. Does anyone have a good spare they would be willing to sell me? Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 16:44:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B940417 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E4D4040B for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E0B2E7000009F for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 18:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.205]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BAD5AE000081 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 18:40:57 -0400 (EDT) References: <1175fe.73441fbd.3ebe93a2@aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com (64.12.252.128) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 11 May 2013 18:40:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 18:40:57 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368312057; bh=z6aE16zpd0k45ONSh0lb99bYLucd18B50+BISXMh92k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hGBgC5mMEbAFlEzHoNtBQ7T+RMvAt7K6PZwm1q8TUG+fZ+i4/5zrx6gNCVAp8U4Wa DnrnWUe5zjqXIsL4+Fw9h0HIASq6Tf2t/xZrYTMNjrqjDlQIZ/gHPi8np83h6KZ5RQ ShIrFhdBq5HwCy7cgBBPs8GlFbi5tFKc1xcU0Xy0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a518ec8f91d33 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That provides the ground for the horn button. Since the rack is mounted in rubber there is no reliable ground for the steering and the horn may not work. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: McGaheyRx ...the one that comes out of the wiring harness in 2 strands and attaches via ring terminal to the bolt on top of the steering rack - what purpose does this serve? I am installing a NEW steering rack which has no provision for attaching any wire to it and it is not immediately obvious to me whether i need to attach that wire to some other ground point - or ground the rack at some other point - or both? Thanks, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 23:38:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E1B406B1 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 23:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE31403FA for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 23:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [72.95.40.163]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMO00BZH7INB790@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 00:35:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Note" To: "Dave Massey" , References: <1175fe.73441fbd.3ebe93a2@aol.com> <8D01CAFBD1B8593-E24-8A87@webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 01:35:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ahhh... that explains why mine works : I installed the quick ratio rack with the alloy mounts which apparently provide an adequate ground. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Massey" To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. > That provides the ground for the horn button. Since the rack is mounted > in > rubber there is no reliable ground for the steering and the horn may not > work. > > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: McGaheyRx > > > ...the one that comes out of the wiring harness in 2 strands and attaches > via ring terminal to the bolt on top of the steering rack - what purpose > does this serve? > I am installing a NEW steering rack which has no provision for attaching > any wire to it and it is not immediately obvious to me whether i need to > attach that wire to some other ground point - or ground the rack at some > other > > point - or both? > > Thanks, > Jack Mc > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 05:35:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10D8403FA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B437403A6 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 05:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5E29B700000B0; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2B1B9E000081; Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:49 -0400 (EDT) References: <1175fe.73441fbd.3ebe93a2@aol.com> <8D01CAFBD1B8593-E24-8A87@webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com> <22EEA59032F04720AFFA684128C563AE@Toms> To: tom628@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-vd004.sysops.aol.com (205.188.20.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:49 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368358369; bh=yW3UOYytGgcV+bc1jCAeiLINhpoaXlZxu2xxda6mi+8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZZxXsVb08Nw8WL9fjI+GkBCVUvCwID5xXs7xE16SA1DxFkbWS1PoNB/cDx/W7Nja1 n9ynGhc+jUYCUD0mxXxpYfVEcCdE6g1yU2Y+044U+p9klrcrm2Qp2TIK/5ge8Prmyj sfpfWfsMXKhoHJVeC9yh8KsTghOUXWolUvAnIp0s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2948518f7de1391c Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There's an alternate method of grounding the rack! And one Jack would like, I'll bet. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Tom Note To: Dave Massey ; triumphs Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 12:35 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. Ahhh... that explains why mine works : I installed the quick ratio rack with the alloy mounts which apparently provide an adequate ground. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Massey" To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 ground wire.. > That provides the ground for the horn button. Since the rack is mounted > in > rubber there is no reliable ground for the steering and the horn may not > work. > > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: McGaheyRx > > > ...the one that comes out of the wiring harness in 2 strands and attaches > via ring terminal to the bolt on top of the steering rack - what purpose > does this serve? > I am installing a NEW steering rack which has no provision for attaching > any wire to it and it is not immediately obvious to me whether i need to > attach that wire to some other ground point - or ground the rack at some > other > > point - or both? > > Thanks, > Jack Mc > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:08:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E042A403DB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5FE403A0 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({af05c03d-e86d-4922-90cb-b2bd72ac7e37}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130512190544106 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:05:44 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89DA89626 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (99-8-105-181.lightspeed.rcklca.sbcglobal.net [99.8.105.181]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2F9C19C257 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:05:42 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've got the cover off? thanks, Greg [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of IMG_0048.jpeg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:15:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BCB403EA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4195403BA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B578C7003190B; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.255.77.13] (190.sub-174-237-35.myvzw.com [174.237.35.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 478B3E000127; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:10:53 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Jack McGahey Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:10:50 -0400 To: Greg x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368385853; bh=x5EoL5EFWC5dXnsk9mwFIPud7ngXSfEVYX4oVwW6vig=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=AMaOHmlG4dPGEdygrYrFv+6ahnY1IFW3Ta6rnoEfwJy+Q7GKrV72679wLKFN6B1ck qGCscITKg5oO/U6MSkVDLY+Z4QX60U5vxc5o/BavajPznc5/Vz8LlQ4bKVI1KwI7Kz yYSb8fSVbohzt/7QSapTzrVHPqs6jvfiKqqmNFWk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2944518fe93d6304 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg Attachments do not come thru to the list - can you describe the "little gem" ? Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Greg wrote: > Listers, > > I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to > the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, > but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. > > If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've > got the cover off? > > thanks, > Greg > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of IMG_0048.jpeg] > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:39:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C34B403F7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:39:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A054403F1 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:39:24 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=CgMbrU8C1GwA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=wqsJorub2WgA:10 a=NNO1-kW5Ji3w3QiHaVYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:57696] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0A/48-11869-C4FEF815; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:36:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:36:51 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Greg References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, Can you post the photo on the Triumph Forum? If you have to pull the cover, replace the seal, and tensioner in addition to the chain. Bob On 05/12/2013 03:05 PM, Greg wrote: > Listers, > > I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to > the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, > but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. > > If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've > got the cover off? > > thanks, > Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 14:18:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8530E403FA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353EA403EA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130512201521721; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:15:21 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B5B8967E; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [21.20.249.57] (66-87-73-57.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.73.57]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E71B99C1E2; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:20 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Greg Schuett Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:16 -0700 To: Jack McGahey Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jack Ill resend again but it looks like a side plate off a chain link. About 3/4 inch long. Has two holes and the ends are rounded On May 12, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Jack McGahey wrote: > Greg > > Attachments do not come thru to the list - can you describe the "little gem" ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Greg wrote: > >> Listers, >> >> I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to >> the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, >> but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. >> >> If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've >> got the cover off? >> >> thanks, >> Greg >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of IMG_0048.jpeg] >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 14:18:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470A040E37 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCA9403FA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({89e988b2-2a53-469e-91f0-3e9924092bec}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130512201544448; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:15:44 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED17D89378; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [21.20.249.57] (66-87-73-57.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.73.57]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2267A9C31B; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <518FEF53.4050602@adelphia.net> From: Greg Schuett Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:15:40 -0700 To: Bob Labuz Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will do. Thanks for the tips! On May 12, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Greg, > > Can you post the photo on the Triumph Forum? > > If you have to pull the cover, replace the seal, and tensioner in addition to the chain. > > Bob > > On 05/12/2013 03:05 PM, Greg wrote: >> Listers, >> >> I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to >> the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, >> but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. >> >> If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've >> got the cover off? >> >> thanks, >> Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 15:55:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E39403F6 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:55:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AE540325 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fd20so5422272lab.41 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OmZVHoef4zt3uGtNV+j5yv4N0OyfnM7XNH5RmhOZtao=; b=XyMEsG2gat3wsnEYAo2ZdfknJP3IBrtebCclRhDpkyfmKZObuH3J24C+vPfsrbjhsE XYdWRHyrVOWt6MmfI9QXJWfWhS/+KmsUF6iZhXkUfTIqSx4/edLpcgqSL1N7Nz5T3mdz yh3tB/C/uCBZXbUloKphB+JNMeyTWWb876o+4UUePL6cWP80r+M2g6MMK38P8JbS+hMs TyiBf5EkQV+zYPhyqc8+rpaSJYU2r3T/OCUHQiG/aerzQ3emA2Jc70tkXJkiTg0WMThV MVufqhMvIMrZB/Mi7dSAPrXYuqX1yUY+Roc2j7f1ppK21LMOiA+hc4qAhkpetjJvYGLG EBjA== x2mr1523596lbi.128.1368395586109; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.133 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.133 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:53:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <23808198.30688.1368211336374.JavaMail.root@vms170035> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:53:05 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] it runs again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes! 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Those original shot glasses are getting hard to find. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 21:49:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D21440523 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5752740410 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({89e988b2-2a53-469e-91f0-3e9924092bec}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130513034607984; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:46:07 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAFD893E5; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (99-8-105-181.lightspeed.rcklca.sbcglobal.net [99.8.105.181]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6C0939C30F; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:46:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <518FEF53.4050602@adelphia.net> From: Greg Schuett Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:45:56 -0700 To: Bob Labuz Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Just posted. Thanks for the tips! On May 12, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Greg, > > Can you post the photo on the Triumph Forum? > > If you have to pull the cover, replace the seal, and tensioner in addition to the chain. > > Bob > > On 05/12/2013 03:05 PM, Greg wrote: >> Listers, >> >> I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to >> the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, >> but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. >> >> If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've >> got the cover off? >> >> thanks, >> Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 06:48:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD08D40442 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8424032A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:39:30 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=CgMbrU8C1GwA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=wqsJorub2WgA:10 a=iHmQqgnQFa9V69yu3PsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:37126] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FC/5B-11869-85ED0915; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:36:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:36:48 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Greg Schuett References: <518FEF53.4050602@adelphia.net> <98A9507A-E35F-4AA9-AAA5-1501DD9843F5@surewest.net> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, Just logged into the forum. I see your post but the image does not show up, only the name: little gem.tiff. I tried both Firefox and Chrome. No image appears. A note that the forum's website is very slow. Took about 5 minutes just to log in. The image link on Chrome shows what looks like a image icon with a dash through it - almost like is broken. I have used the forum many times and have had no problem viewing images. Bob On 05/12/2013 11:45 PM, Greg Schuett wrote: > Bob > > Just posted. Thanks for the tips! > > On May 12, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Can you post the photo on the Triumph Forum? >> >> If you have to pull the cover, replace the seal, and tensioner in addition to the chain. >> >> Bob >> >> On 05/12/2013 03:05 PM, Greg wrote: >>> Listers, >>> >>> I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to >>> the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, >>> but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. >>> >>> If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've >>> got the cover off? >>> >>> thanks, >>> Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 06:50:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44624287F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6174403B1 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:44:27 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=CgMbrU8C1GwA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=wqsJorub2WgA:10 a=iHmQqgnQFa9V69yu3PsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:37204] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DF/1D-22955-58FD0915; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:41:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:41:49 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Greg Schuett References: <518FEF53.4050602@adelphia.net> <98A9507A-E35F-4AA9-AAA5-1501DD9843F5@surewest.net> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Timing chain on its way out? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, I stand corrected. I right clicked on the image icon and I somehow got the photo to appear! Yes that is a link from the chain for sure. I know of no other engine part or assembly it could be. Since this in a 4, it should be minimal work to get the cover off. WHen you do, inspect the old chain to insure no other parts are missing. Account for every part of the chain. You might have to drop the pan. Bob On 05/12/2013 11:45 PM, Greg Schuett wrote: > Bob > > Just posted. Thanks for the tips! > > On May 12, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Can you post the photo on the Triumph Forum? >> >> If you have to pull the cover, replace the seal, and tensioner in addition to the chain. >> >> Bob >> >> On 05/12/2013 03:05 PM, Greg wrote: >>> Listers, >>> >>> I changed the oil in the 64 TR-4 yesterday and this little gem was stuck to >>> the magnetic drain plug. Looks to me like my timing chain is coming apart, >>> but wanted to see if anybody else sees it differently. >>> >>> If it is the timing chain, any tips and tricks or other thing to do while I've >>> got the cover off? >>> >>> thanks, >>> Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 08:01:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E50426BE for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEF240326 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bNf51l0050vyq2s55RxtbX; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:57:53 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bRxt1l00y2xV5no3RRxtPi; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:57:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1368453473; bh=qXgha5JoEsoE0wCz30gVXaGK+jXXeXPGY2HUMQtS/+8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CmzrnaWjVNV8GJ57P6oekTq+1tOHpUEBPHIjGzhuUXmjMr2ZkKPTCcwHDSKie5C30 dgO5rdq+hUNiHmghCkTzIOSG9/9JJaL9W4mT20nO00ukCiheRki3vvFG3gfB5Af+82 CFJ1qk5VA5ZaCAaWGXNglbtItlWhczRXAxv8ZSGFZjniZC8621AEHxYkSVXIVDiJDE NPWH/U/4EXHfHBcm3+wSRBoNe5q4oYOtM539MWpcBGavRRgkhQh0+lsFvHAshIdbBd f7iDMxoeAL82c+xLkjbELebcGWOkjVI7M3tAcbQoRHr/f2y/IXe9kZoNM3OSZAyCbN Y9VWNY3LxdR8Q== Subject: [TR] 'J' type from TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Has anyone tried to remove and replace a 'J' type overdrive w/o removing the entire transmission from the car?B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 09:19:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C16427ED for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862334006C for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C055170042C32 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8EC6DE000089 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:14:46 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368458086; bh=NfJfxwF2EIwndSWFTYTfa/KSyy34MvuS22ILioKt4Pc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MFo22ao/SU0AhhIV8YT3yLMAnBN6izFFbfUbtqscgSpGErHrVyEwwB2QdxyXPv+NO Qh4zKCeb0SfYf+36J1XsRP6gU90uuj/WpFnFAezZciB5GjEd4KLXUKrP5turHQzWpS LRmYHBnxyxLSmkxVKgcZs/4hnxDvOsQ1Rs0RPXwk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095191036662a8 Subject: Re: [TR] 'J' type from TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have not but I think it is just about impossible* since there is not enough clearance behind the transmission to slide the OD unit off of the main shaft. Reinstalling would be an exercise in frustration as well. Keeping the splines on the sun gear and the sprag clutch aligned is tough enough when you do it right. BTW, doing it right means securing the OD vertically with the output flange down and sliding the transmission and main shaft into the OD. Trying to do it the other way will result in the clutch carrier dropping causing the afore mentioned splines which you just spent several minutes aligning to fall out of alignment. Dave *I said just about impossible because if I said it was impossible someone would cut out the driveshaft tunnel and handbrake mount just to prove me wrong. There are ways to do just about anything but sometimes it is just easier to pull the transmission. In a message dated 5/13/2013 8:58:52 AM Central Daylight Time, fogbro1@comcast.net writes: > Has anyone tried to remove and replace a 'J' type overdrive w/o removing > the > entire transmission from the car?B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 09:33:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A6F4282E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370A040075 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 15:18:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 15:18:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 15:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 78887 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 15:18:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368458326; bh=Xfzo5fJlm9Z4/AVnJCr5Kwa4Zdgtc9rm0Qjn6nZgNYI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=au6HsLPtZwwmjnt6YLB97J2fs+X7CM0e9/oJOPeGF4X+exB7UErJIN7MD4CNsXTIrBcAtA47EQTxSt4axI559qBE0QlqLUYsQlKE4ISEeL65jgfmUrRm6IboUmWBf0qK9ciMTdxN7GMT8rutFgK3wtcQ/EfLbEqw7Z3CGeUsc70= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o5F98UQT7tNOEHYdEiG7RsykKT3frTh8ITGNuSDe1+Ps/6uAV+9NevjrgvZ/ZaY+YP53cyaWrjHCIBDbCXOjxjO1rhCLZ0jXOCq0hBnxgfhN4WEMV0NXE1xzEzfavoP2UB7jhypS/g3FuXsclcrextXaLrRwuNYq7nOmV84IIIg=; Wqp7HnKKp0egIRSXj6vzqVUfbRLYra.4w_Ly5wSQ0WS9RDlJpIEqZGoYxVqL Yl9p8D6zqQ8vFhgzsnL3b_tu7iTOtyaDaEEaZeYy42JO.CjXlC3n0nE_HXA3 lgY.lk06tfDKHh.1.rXYMPfwJGBouyP5nxM8fS6GFPC8tFEIQLx930Ni6r35 gMl76KK8zTdMjki8YzYjwYR_hTT261JIEgLDl7wlFR7pE3iULRrazjLPn7_y TkD21XHFQdSc2hu3t1CyQ6Tu5HIkMlYR09qnOen1BkVoasToNb2IdG7qJIky _oXvzsNPOmZbVDr0eyzMcC03JhhUew7K0oujBOXWAET6B4d_3GrJIzbqSDMb Mrtffwek59pN2V5nOdOGel1YuHV4Y6asjirB0bBMvkNtpot_B2Ct5E5HZ6Ee JbogPyC8k0nSZzavD8voqGTBylqrb8X4Sxw5xlVIJkPCl6AIzsuIirkF7E3I pUQ2jI8W9HaRAJe5D.EHz Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:18:46 PDT eWVzCmFzIGkgcmVjYWxsOgp3ZSB0b29rIG91dCB0aGUgdHJhbnNtaXNzaW9uIG1vdW50IGNyb3NzIG1lbWJlci4KcHVzaGVkIHRoZSB0cmFuc21pc3Npb24gYWxsIHRoZSB3YXkgdXAuCnB1bGxlZCB0aGUgMS8yIGRyaXZlIHNoYWZ0IGZvcndhcmQgdW50aWwgaXQgZGlzY29ubmVjdGVkIGFuZCB0aGVuIHB1c2hlZCBpdCBiYWNrIGFuZCBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIHdheS4Kd2UgdGhlbiBwdWxsZWQgdGhlICJKIiBhbGwgdGhlIHdheSBiYWNrIHRpbGwgaXQgZGlzY29ubmVjdGVkLgppdCB3YXMgd2F5IHdheSB0aWdodC4BMAEBAQE- References: <1656766940.10220.1368453473668.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "fogbro1@comcast.net" , triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] 'J' type from TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net yes as i recall: we took out the transmission mount cross member. pushed the transmission all the way up. pulled the 1/2 drive shaft forward until it disconnected and then pushed it back and out of the way. we then pulled the "J" all the way back till it disconnected. it was way way tight. but it was a lot quicker and easier the second time we did it a week later !!!!!!!!! Frank From: "fogbro1@comcast.net" To: triumph list Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:57 AM Subject: [TR] 'J' type from TR6 List, Has anyone tried to remove and replace a 'J' type overdrive w/o removing the entire transmission from the car?B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 13:34:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBC640420 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A721403E8 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id bXXy1l00B53lu5001XXyEJ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:31:59 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:31:43 -0500 Subject: [TR] positive to negative ground Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net here is an article from vtr http://www.vtr.org/maintain/negative-ground.shtml on changing from positive to negative ground on a tr4. obviously, a late tr3b would be identical. anyone have anything to add/comment? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 13:56:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49FF40549 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E92540412 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so5992383veb.25 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2WckdZvYH7B+gLTpv92CET3SVXFia+kGadZMqAIZ3gQ=; b=xHzaYbVdFHf9rTsxJpRzz6gYPQqozbudjUflDlJivNcNBbBjkCzKIMVVJZgXjl9zET KfO+1AQ7U+baLnki+hbC7YUVeAEfgdWICkEuxaSGl06LLWgGz90DYQ8tk2IBpmnY010y jJLl8mka0A2B9EDIswTQT5sL5FjMp0agZPmjRav8TGGICFDL28WJMAMmS1pMxYW9ecl4 oJOto2IimJu0s/fkIV7GVdZ8iY0rseG4iUDJmWAu5L7IJF2GaaqNlAKGOIlHcAP+UBml VKXdzvMhStK/G3OS/GfnpSYXfk2EQSUA/nieDvkLcxq/0bE9oP2lhCHMiQHPurTod0Zk ESGA== c11mr8728822vdj.69.1368474784826; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <8AFFE48F62CA41E1A667DCB7CD768865@Datsun> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:04 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] positive to negative ground Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you are using Pertronix that unit will have to swapped for a negative ground version. Geo On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Dave wrote: > here is an article from vtr > http://www.vtr.org/maintain/negative-ground.shtml > on changing from positive to negative ground on a tr4. obviously, a late > tr3b > would be identical. > > anyone have anything to add/comment? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 15:27:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872C940548 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5417340423 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iTSillMNrikA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=JEJFG-GylsZO-NssKDcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:40078] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D3/57-02984-E2A51915; Mon, 13 May 2013 21:25:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:25:02 +0000 From: Randall To: Dave Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] positive to negative ground Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Geo Hahn wrote: > If you are using Pertronix that unit will have to swapped for a negative > ground version. Ditto most other electronic ignition conversions. The only exception that I know of is the more recent Crane XR700 (with the LED on the box), which can just be rewired for negative. Also if you happen to have an early original coil, the terminals may be marked "CB" and "SW" instead of "+" and "-". "CB" is positive. A slightly easier method of polarizing the generator is to just disconnect the wire from the 'F' terminal on the control box (battery installed, ignition off) and brush the disconnected wire against the 'A' terminal. You'll get some small sparks, but nothing major. Then reconnect the wire to the 'F' terminal and go on. But the procedure in the VTR article will work fine. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 16:53:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F6F40537 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A98440420 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id baqD1l00D53lu5001aqD2x; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:50:14 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:49:41 -0500 Subject: [TR] fan belt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net late tr3b/early tr4 b anyone have a flaps part number for the fan belt? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 19:14:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F2440442 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 19:14:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D6C40433 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 19:14:24 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=D_Eg0D7IORIA:10 a=lVeok_wTMvVY-rrsiJEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/F7-22955-A4F81915; Tue, 14 May 2013 01:11:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave'" , Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:11:52 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5QLEqP6r+103uHSCy/BVT5FjY+jAAErFhQ Subject: Re: [TR] fan belt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > late tr3b/early tr4 b anyone have a flaps part number for > the fan belt? Not likely to be on the shelf, but maybe: Gates TR28386 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 11:50:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3322E403FE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86394009A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id q54so719191wes.18 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:46:31 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=H0Nil39R4A+xnQZ2RXSEFw+NOxtJpAjjI39ZtzRptUc=; b=ElyD7+GkQUxLKqTRq4Z87zUuIchzZtDdD9spgLyA3r2iwh2z+vbFImhjqc7uDeMGuA BzXir7kAiWGZIvFEDMgIuQFbpe5nbQpZFoVy7DLYa52pFdr9dXy2IOXjVu10VtL8zArf ZW0eMnz4GMEMGMUVozJEK7Nc8DagHowoptclI+ZGx7rlD9FNIe4dLWvSD7UL1S4Z+Jly hmy2i5BMJFNKz89m5aGXFtVu8pVsz/vvbBBuAhdJVkc6FMD1HIyQvMnyJtyrSLVWH6LX z0BDOYbLxyYzCjCABZejBFq1lJwT4QxxpoNwTjreHSVkhRIfzZF8+JwAxkhmHF+Yb0LF kfaQ== n6mr8447603wiw.28.1368553590927; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.170 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:46:10 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The 3M Paint Defender Spray Film kit looks pretty interesting. And having a good sized stone chip the TR3B's apron during the first five miles of driving it after painting, it might be good insurance. Anybody here have any experience with the stuff? http://youtu.be/fi3hJYmtKR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 12:30:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43ED40425 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F1B403E0 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so1060364vea.29 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:27:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=E+Zf28xoeaMmAsM7HWZ0n7vM8ftpOBkd+xtqz1INuoM=; b=AMthnfZUUK2sYlElV5RwMfPGQBRxIdY+eebZZEhsxxmh7+zm37mCP9MODcd2zRntbo 4dnNBFpObDdSIYgSmfYN01qpOkWFpfbeqwy41F0PToCaUSAD46DWo0jbI2EOdsk3C7sA D8bA7qUajgMWSApJEaKiPrEMfTSHuEvd4Ll2NboQvBsDaIOLMubPwb8nrS4J61ApCWrB R9DByzgia3uMvAJSoB/FztrVK1KjVU9KJJs8SF5jPnqFW62qEtlZMC3cjPXK1mfxOdPF VZ28/BbcXCXEmATJp3aboiIMGi3BKL6hgX8LhhvWieOTI/dMvp+9hdxz0ZeIydhDvVcJ 89nA== df3mr19183794vdb.48.1368556062999; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:27:42 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting -- and here's a video on how to remove the stuff: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/?shva=1#inbox/13ea4281e7ab76c3 Geo On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > The 3M Paint Defender Spray Film kit looks pretty interesting. And having > a good sized stone chip the TR3B's apron during the first five miles of > driving it after painting, it might be good insurance. > > Anybody here have any experience with the stuff? > > http://youtu.be/fi3hJYmtKR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 13:38:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AB440430 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4145F40326 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm29.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 19:35:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.196] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 19:35:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 19:35:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368560122; bh=sxU6rpsq2uGh1ODi+aROVGfCR9S9sJ1+WTrltLJiCiw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=D5nMNcLDJ19EDyPJje/h/+K3OV91m5cIFCcTRhFaUCc9xNn5sGy6Q8V+Fd/EWqWaS+ijY7PZLmfNuA9NmRD77ahVvDINJuEBlfC/5e9TwKeo/lnzWFxujU/ESl3WbHY6PxU2DQEwYtoNON/OvZbCIou4fyHKSM1ygCiG632BF8k= 0fHhbkTdsBf3u6NId2ZXgVyGF6o9hQSnFG.hAo1wH8jLpakPohoTxhW1x._u g1D23wrA7dsegLm5EuRADv3OfzqHH80OPq7KHKrMsoL07ERmTpDPS.L8m0AV nuGT2ak3PfpE10ZbxEjh8gIVPNOVWU_eNonXL_dsE_mTlMcJTTrBImf9rqmj CUbEZQ5VVa.yGU86NexFdl4iRjEZtZg_Lt3ra12kJ8fFWDb5bMNARAkm4xkc 8nTB0mJ9.hYgSTZ5cuSPQ47qsHQqpZqEACwywSgU8pR7gjN_BteuHtoVWsc6 ElRyCQ9ci0YIyNTGtT67opvoROq_LzQSKwOjIFYiuBbRA0qzBq9VUXhT..xb pz6G0x2lD7XvY7wZTkZtrRAuGpdgJkZ4fJdXq7mzbM8Gu0ylrEpkMw1IJg_z WdQKyJAeK97ChvefMr3JeV7ZEJXP3vFC2ADtB7qvJk_8Uk5XJCDuUKVgcp5q vM1kaTAVb7q5Xa7Sb2tJzuWSYNoesvI99BhbONkI.rMuOP1UWBBeBP5b867V .LCECAFHJ4FMIIoF_.OY1rr931k6IfOKD by smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 12:35:22 -0700 PDT References: From: Bill Babbitt Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:35:19 -0400 To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don, I used it for the entire underside of the body tub and inside the wheel wells when it did the frame off restoration of my TR3a. Haven't had a single paint chip. Couldn't be more pleased. Bill Babbitt TR3a Gales Ferry, CT Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > The 3M Paint Defender Spray Film kit looks pretty interesting. And having > a good sized stone chip the TR3B's apron during the first five miles of > driving it after painting, it might be good insurance. > > Anybody here have any experience with the stuff? > > http://youtu.be/fi3hJYmtKR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 14:39:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC6D40425 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C0E400FF for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hr14so4743194wib.1 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:35:08 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=DBdLjNXOMcmYAbJMIkBBHDjbfhgwM9porTnZbNI3vrk=; b=Yl7rnC03sZMSnhq0jrpgWcXIR0/5T84c2P2Qozbtnk9oBuuTVf1tR1yBxKcXtIeAvK 2PeM55aFzvsf918AoFOY5Psg9470y/DvX+roAYzZDRJ7xwZxOjzy24rlp4USrJ/dFwFk z1AxTEWqo+i+UAGaM1/N4ZEFkNgBcZPHhOA+pVED6HW3S7hk1D3g4PNif/6LYOvOU9+F KjQTyfJo61uiXI/Su6xBVCD3ibPm+0yOhFLi1LHk78bv85lTmRfAiF/XJIwMzm040NNz qV1cvaC3PvvHw1a8wvkP83zQaBQTLlY0msfEDoBTg8zx7Ry4xPJe9z3y3S5Lu2S6E4Wj a+Cg== bo12mr10149646wib.22.1368563707597; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.170 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <7B3DC826-FEED-42F4-8AAE-291FAB75B3AD@sbcglobal.net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:34:47 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, are you sure you're referring to the clear protection film -- as in that used on the leading edge of the hood on top of the paint? The application you're talking about sounds more like where 3M paintable rubberized undercoating or spray shutz ("protection") is used. http://3mcollision.com/products/sound-deadening/3m-paintable-undercoating-08882.html http://3mcollision.com/products/coatings/3m-no-cleanup-high-coverage-body-schutz-coating-08964.html Which are indeed good products. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Bill Babbitt wrote: > Don, > I used it for the entire underside of the body tub and inside the wheel > wells when it did the frame off restoration of my TR3a. > Haven't had a single paint chip. Couldn't be more pleased. > > Bill Babbitt > TR3a > Gales Ferry, CT > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 14, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > > The 3M Paint Defender Spray Film kit looks pretty interesting. And > having > > a good sized stone chip the TR3B's apron during the first five miles of > > driving it after painting, it might be good insurance. > > > > Anybody here have any experience with the stuff? > > > > http://youtu.be/fi3hJYmtKR4 > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 15:03:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2907B4044D for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EC040418 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 21:00:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 21:00:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 21:00:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368565209; bh=fcFjtM+UjZKl+bsV1b3UAmt20uWr0E0R7LAO4TO5cYk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=fQI4qtCRusKUZaR4gFrvhtK8sCZKhaBsnoe6FdkHrPaAaLPjgQAL8iQIek2uDPVcLPz+9CaCNoXVJJAv3Nfpnu6ViA1FwNmsKBWbECl6hYSEeRarxeLfEX/H71dPfPH2WqAVDQHSJSh1a5P9VMY9Xhqagnh4RPtHH1tLawmpkw0= E6tq9HjGNZPmTTnDKXdSR4qvTJlOrx6XU2isVnPYVv8_5qaM.JYsAJ1nqeTi Xm8_E13mVkQukK1PC3YHhJVvQrd1w_OU0BPdSOGNC22yTzbnzTajLmASvFq6 G.xolh53VLYKSyF3QspkdF_3lWcluynrGLEylnoI83p4OTc7toyNbL_idfjx Bb__Rs7oSV0By6AtwLevjwG0YstwXzetUOLAL1dk.Pu97j.2fZ5WXKK1eVed iaVo3Mj7AXWrrQ9LLqNtRXc4N7e2IcxzQ_BbhvSduUmuk7b3XdrIqKsS0XgE UQIhp2Cl7p_1SOkPfJDbFiU9gQNzyofCu15orHl18NyIuaBw.QQlPkJz86_i uO.sJWnxIgtEu2wi4q_mqV_eSz_aN6S1tAd_asC3n30Mm2_VtrkVjzup5mg4 TbHE_W3nALKolEu_n.1JlDGetuV_8d4RmSLk7.zFgAKem3QMnAlqDXwb09GB wQptzxsXBrf1MDzySV6t7al8jAMkk smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 14:00:09 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave'" , "'Listserv Triumph'" References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:00:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5QLFLnduuGizGIRz60K9sCBgTDmAAuWPaA Subject: Re: [TR] fan belt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a spare that is from TRF, but US made by Dayco. P/N 24380GL Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:50 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] fan belt late tr3b/early tr4 b anyone have a flaps part number for the fan belt? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 16:14:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34D540333 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489F240333 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id jy13so1328791veb.9 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:11:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=QO/OblUO2YVBQTUATxy1wBdRw1I/iQHtHJ3uj/T03eo=; b=gbj6g45wKP21t/5MovGCPKTcRwR4S1su+jX7zRe847Pod1irmOMIu+L/1tXQLKJCMI nBibI8sWeM8TK+dyLgyfmo9c4LrMW/RLO8LbeMTDzhwjGTIerlY/grPWLs12x3Bdv2XR FkOZMGD0UxFAjP+L/Ev610DCvZRrJQZPlMJ8frXS4LI6vyGSRJSPnpEMmRvFoph/wDD3 uljtlAhcipoM3wng6W55WvwjSIF8zOOPy56pk/mO2K4NPJxGjq7eVSJM8Q6eIZ87NXoZ EXAyXbcvn1LnvOqwXG+IZ4FPKDMilwh5Fw1tey8P2zDm+TLOpKHhFM0C+ikswi437FVr Niog== bd7mr22802547vcb.12.1368569477491; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:11:17 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:11:17 -0700 From: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oops bad link in my prior message -- hopefully here is the one showing how easily you can remove Paint Defender (and noting that it lasts at least one year)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fi3hJYmtKR4 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Interesting -- and here's a video on how to remove the stuff: ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 16:18:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A8B40427 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB37140400 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hz11so251420vcb.38 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=VQPqNpm4THpn5vOkVXIkrCAkYU800PWDoSoJeVd0YU8=; b=nYNqlKqBB7lwve866NFnNezZxwVbdpBoZTkylukTG0bmeYEp4hHra5L51VgWKgqWNE kPQkn51KzUwqg9GqcNxqhPttv+0WKhkvhIE81RAoLz4uHGN7Ze1vOgzUiGuKdUU/cWtW 8DCCF1lwTUgoq9CjvGfIrDkgVeHxuw+iad4lJ68xMiFFCcZ8ZW6Ly1OCHUYa/aRJRpA8 GjGpalq6uCUFOHBhiHaTUL7zg0ETznKxCN9IDWTadBaSUezkEj4eSBywqzEX9+3QT3Ou McGoSGIk6+jmXCW7Dd33pGgyvI4JPpJAc8WvjbjOeoE+n45eRYe8gRoiIOXUp3NrQQy1 IU5A== kp1mr23275668vcb.68.1368569700873; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:15:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh brother, my final attempt to link the "Defender Removal" video -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkT12MvuuRA&feature=endscreen&NR=1 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Oops bad link in my prior message -- hopefully here is the one showing how > easily you can remove Paint Defender (and noting that it lasts at least > one year)... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fi3hJYmtKR4 > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > >> Interesting -- and here's a video on how to remove the stuff: ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:07:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5DD40439 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C48C4040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [173.65.236.224]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMT0073J9G1U8C0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:04:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "Triumph" References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:04:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This stuff looks interesting. While doing some internet searching I found a guy selling what appears to be this product on ebay. He is asking about 5 times the cost on Amazon. The one difference is that he states DO NOT USE ON WHITE PAINT. Is there a restriction with the 3M? TIA Pete -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:15 PM Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Oh brother, my final attempt to link the "Defender Removal" video -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkT12MvuuRA&feature=endscreen&NR=1 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Oops bad link in my prior message -- hopefully here is the one showing how > easily you can remove Paint Defender (and noting that it lasts at least > one year)... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fi3hJYmtKR4 > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > >> Interesting -- and here's a video on how to remove the stuff: ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:30:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B9240425 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31CB4040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 23:27:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 23:27:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 23:27:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368574028; bh=odqPk/qJodQEWFw06AvJhrpKORuEjucyKC0ksw/ocoM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=uYS8ttFU7lJcqv588DD2yQ406L6qsd746rgGRM4YLYmKZDKk+8AtnZt8s4w5lXlTgkK0ZAK0H/xOimOoV3Y5HuXeoCuMkoeutr6dbfxrsTtoqwgPcmduVG2nbYuq1kloUYQx9L1PrrW9GXsTObGrtfPD8hJLJFm3tM54FOKjvs8= rq3i.kfSYEH.XDWfHflgw8yDvNP2QIjp.sVGmCvsCsqHia.TGwDROiLQBUZj 27iGduhpa.sXc9prOqRzmxSmW0peaCaWH0i7Xb9WPO72Aj.plrwjGCRUWhV_ OQQzi_EBm.5PH3Jmta5mV6P3FLNil6zfW2zUH0Uk_PPoo4UPcR0HjQKFweR9 lTTBtMBcASLGlfmiy.Pcard46uJ6BL1wnL9X9LYFOAtYxmhKkx5I4gKS.F17 GjvgvyVHSykWJKTpborVZT3jaYrBLf1b5xsDTgfGd98NsIjhe2ILLfWxlXH. GzrkQ5Rk4669OAqC5vaVdDHmDszd8k8FWx979kglTKe75VMf95PfXxBzWYV8 J4F5Hfre6Y5swxLnSPXgBcGBiFRqqONaF7KDObybhoJ2orSyS63fsFnlA4__ MUJWzSenrKnwKZm8muomdOoWSaYUgTNkWhQQmF3ZeIOEsrWCFzTvM0B01ohQ nqNQASkvZaOV607Ub_ohewRP1Uo.y7r9dvfsKlM_V1Vt5OEBq1vFMCmeemfV kaXfZCoohPX4BuvSeMrRjtXJHjPUMreoiimqVhvSJNFin9MoOHfTFVnKC7sX KCzqSHovixQ-- smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 16:27:08 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Listserv Triumph'" Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:26:55 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5Q+f6s5dMPZ3H7RNC5ZbVLRbvLkg== Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-triumph-tr3-convertible-c-952.htm?sear chtype=bymm &make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL& Absolutely NFI, BB ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:43:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128EC40441 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:43:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F454040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:41:06 -0600 (MDT) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=2xIWnbKm370A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=qIs_scs7oWsA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=laS2dOdAAAAA:8 a=16klLMcJPjW7LzNtBO8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=xSalMHS3fKAA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:52042] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/F4-11869-4EAC2915; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:38:13 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , "'Listserv Triumph'" References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:38:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Must be a rare prototype! -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:26 PM To: 'Listserv Triumph' Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-triumph-tr3-convertible-c-952.htm?sear chtype=bymm &make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL& Absolutely NFI, BB ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:43:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE5540425 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FA94040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.161] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 23:39:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368574774; bh=defYFnuquDXIGWC5UOMyceD0Lg51CaEZOtyPD21CAKA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=IR2PKNPTTfE05PjOlOiDB1BxiIbFDNieL6Zf1jjWbjn9Qv7qIlp2u/QRTgB/oEuUM/z8ImgOVb2jE/4QgXm1GbbOl1/oDU45CJva3VEpPOVCiOLPf3ZmTHwH/z5fANDLmu8uyM2s3rDeL/wdLds7EtPN4QA25SXzek5RHtz/lKY= nx6luUH4bqYPTKjl93.VVaPcEEXDxAko5ATIXsIpHhgMZTiV.VqHiKfVjE.O JQPzszNgf3oDPWd_5d9gP5e0QMIrt_9A5c1clSmz.Km0gLDZ4Y85xFB8pTIp 6TOO.JbW8IDn4OLA8ww1M_IepTUNlDIMXPU0s8QwGs4Zb900QnbLopvcgzmA Y6BD4s6bTVAoaDHXCBAKj1pbrxO6oAJ1mACXMioFde6aERHItGymvwTTPU1M rj7ZxcxcnH68JrWqSjSZ5ujwzYLLQjnNyV8U8OAL0JqF9wnHjffdJxNxt.0v gYWMZyifVe8EExcmtAA..39hqMdna6ilHDdKbedJpLz4Z.uOLJzu.rTrGj9L Nx9mLPHP0alV.5woH5V5wbtCDbh62KF159FKA.hFoW4u4uCeRqXlSTIWrzuZ EneKnXOz083rIbkE9ev90J3dK5kWEPAVqHEa1arakP0Fae5pmZh7iY6iCp.L vPZI98b3SoFT_BiziCdnSbwkUnmX5GELP8aLNQB44MEF4eh11Je1cH1LXSSg sGbcWPlYtaZ2Rb8Jh6QVL58Sge8tDJLERBkIT55V4h6BFaW31VW3XW5f.VsO jlX1l.8YewJ1zhfCj3OBA.qiFtZs7KkX4Y4Sn2PxRecdUUi7iQ7SdJ.pPW9a yvKsqAyr_QG7_wtzw7X178lAhocPf6pdneItvZGAJqYp0s04- by smtp218.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 16:39:34 -0700 PDT References: <7B3DC826-FEED-42F4-8AAE-291FAB75B3AD@sbcglobal.net> From: Bill Babbitt Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:39:32 -0400 To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 3M Paint Defender Spray Film DIY Kit -- Any Experience? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Nope, What I used was a clear rubberized spray on coating that I sprayed on on top of the fresh yellow paint. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > Bill, are you sure you're referring to the clear protection film -- as in > that used on the leading edge of the hood on top of the paint? > > The application you're talking about sounds more like where 3M paintable > rubberized undercoating or spray shutz ("protection") is used. > http://3mcollision.com/products/sound-deadening/3m-paintable-undercoating-088 82.html > http://3mcollision.com/products/coatings/3m-no-cleanup-high-coverage-body-sch utz-coating-08964.html > > Which are indeed good products. > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Bill Babbitt wrote: > >> Don, >> I used it for the entire underside of the body tub and inside the wheel >> wells when it did the frame off restoration of my TR3a. >> Haven't had a single paint chip. Couldn't be more pleased. >> >> Bill Babbitt >> TR3a >> Gales Ferry, CT >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 14, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: >> >>> The 3M Paint Defender Spray Film kit looks pretty interesting. And >> having >>> a good sized stone chip the TR3B's apron during the first five miles of >>> driving it after painting, it might be good insurance. >>> >>> Anybody here have any experience with the stuff? >>> >>> http://youtu.be/fi3hJYmtKR4 >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:44:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FF24051C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8298E40439 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:43 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=2xIWnbKm370A:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=qIs_scs7oWsA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=laS2dOdAAAAA:8 a=L_ZpkOcHmrQJjH03dLQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=xSalMHS3fKAA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50252] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id DF/1D-16581-FBBC2915; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:41:51 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: , References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:45:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am impressed with the clever use of steel shelving struts to rebuilt the chassis. I guess if you wait long enough you will see just about anything. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Listserv Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors >I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a > $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? > > http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-triumph-tr3-convertible-c-952.htm?sear > chtype=bymm > rchtype=bymm&make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL> > &make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL& > > > Absolutely NFI, > BB > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:52:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4840433 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EEB4006E for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:52:15 -0600 (MDT) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=tt1iCaKPAAAA:8 a=kh_0GDOd9AtZnp9UQRIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=PnRf8za3o7sA:10 a=BFcTeBIGAd0A:10 a=FkL9rbCai35_nJN48_UA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vapnChrqupCKE-Lu:21 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:64006] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AF/18-20878-58DC2915; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:49:25 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:49:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Joyride Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't usually do this, but here is a link to our local club newsletter, this article brought a big smile to my face, and I thought it might to others too, so I thought I would share it. http://flatwater.org/news/may13.pdf Turn to page 3, "Take a Kid for a Ride" Regards, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 18:14:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD9F40430 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0714038C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bzkb1l0021c6gX85D0BetU; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:11:38 +0000 Received: from [10.234.134.192] ([174.229.193.112]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c0BT1l00A2Ry7dJ3j0BVnb; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:11:36 +0000 To: wbeech@flash.net,"=?utf-8?B?J0xpc3RzZXJ2IFRyaXVtcGgn?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:11:35 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1368576698; bh=5esilgybO6ReBbDSSzlucm5HKUB2IGrr6/TBe/dmPWc=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dqXYvW5maNqnLP0mAeAGUn1u8OkOhxx7fr4n1C/qouKnXHdTUXnKFt1tTJ2on/gwN UUa1RhI2OB7EjLmIth/gNQaXjVOYLrsf/VQrbIbJ0J+0RwwyH+QlWGqvCeAGz+rbeH /wF+UOecjyFU6KuHpTApSmC5JKuJCYg4WII9dWwFWQ2q8NWhwEHDAqjktlHIA/BQla Lt9qHnJ/sEif24g1W34WM026u1uV8/845s1CiDtACne3jNAvGoFLQ9r+19WAaqqD3c I4WejoicpgZsmOyHk/ATzt71aneV2DxjD3bHjptygLVVcezW/T9SWJPFFs+37n1BC2 kyjucDIGaloZQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?1958_TR3A_at_GullWing_Motors?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like the $4500.00 car was in a fire..... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: wbeech@flash.net To: "'Listserv Triumph'" Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Date: Tue, May 14, 2013 18:26 I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-triumph-tr3-convertible-c-952.htm?sear chtype=bymm &make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL& Absolutely NFI, BB ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 18:29:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9790740427 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDCF4038C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 00:26:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 00:26:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 00:26:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368577616; bh=DiUBrBrOYv//iwsowjA9SdL/37oVSVyHvrBObp3FEJU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=OBzByKFxp41tUsDPkjXhBiPmx9u/ZGpV4y40hyHMJ6kAGwNd+CRWAG+farcvcJYKf1G26zJu4YMJvKhj6I3tefrRcedRR7qcSKKtvcYrkHcytLwFmiTMJwlUKpU1xEhmL/fgDacCaGdqDg8l4SCsNhg8zT6RdoCvdRzpnORsqBs= TJXqV6koRUa4WtzDMo2b2lkeIiRT6L9gfBrXlZeAIt2cSCCDfRjvXe5Xl85l KBCxC4vCsRUtdN4WSLgaI.JqX4JL8aMy0bcY9tfxlu7S1APWKdrjz2dk4ORF lrGkohizNICVxH2dckclEz3llhQjl6HHkPfnYZAkM.haAFgOoDmMmy7P8_1d swA2azfBV4EUfERdoaWL3dI.yGFkj_S8H5KbUYfXPkkuE0uB2A7fxvPTj9ko 9EbJinZbvJh7_dHU1dX.hdq1onoHz6AHGI12TjVl07MuN7kwD7PMWH3C0tdm s4McvGxq_yX1wTuFS_v2eJqvpvHvtxhi.SSZiMzfDxlRuC9WlVQy2P0r9m7V ar.3A2TmOaxe8QUAo5OgSGK5qbDZCDh7ky9rHhJntsbqcWdDRFIJ7p6e4scu IfCR98lNXaQtHeb03YGAI8yjkeC1jaV3nEYAFWWxkOiBBiTSfyAZ9SVDEt4J nLAoMv2OF6x_M.O5wxvPVadJArTCDcA7LFJjChRj.0MPMzAVr_SElsZ_AC2P 8M_R0Lng_xY7Gs7tnbC73a8qB61_MiCmfBA3Fg9U3AhB3ZToZfW04kzx8oAT ou9Dp02v0k5yOzHNSFQapLWiHk8WRb7IoXNQTZJY- smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 17:26:56 -0700 PDT From: To: , "'Listserv Triumph'" References: <201305150011.r4F0BcSp022155@nlpi164.prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:26:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5RAMXCdUKrwSJlSZKLJ9YJMTgerwAAgilg Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, and they put it out by throwing in a lake for a few years. _____ From: spook01@comcast.net [mailto:spook01@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:12 PM To: wbeech@flash.net; 'Listserv Triumph' Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Looks like the $4500.00 car was in a fire..... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: wbeech@flash.net To: "'Listserv Triumph'" Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Date: Tue, May 14, 2013 18:26 I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-triumph-tr3-convertible-c-952.htm?sear chtype=bymm &make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL& Absolutely NFI, BB ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 20:12:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A1040425 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1363400A5 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.133]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 68FDD7004951A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (user-108707f.cable.mindspring.com [64.131.128.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 298ADE000081 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 22:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Schwartz Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:09:34 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368583776; bh=X/plycSb1M38duW4rB2Qs+BTlgxU3vH3EhurdZZT1l4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=XV1z3M+GSa9AMKCZU5J3mvVB9G24JoRqEqYwkCE4XecFpNcomE5qXjoOuXXloEKSJ FHFumjh3Qa9hM/JfVjv4bmAM2ZL0/v11I63FXRFJeypRzPPbdm7p57Qsbo/nOwhILL 9kNILObarMr54V4087sU4Sz29arNsPkl1LczZqUc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33855192ee5f37b4 Subject: [TR] Tr3- Gullwing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I don't live to far from Gullwing Motors. I will stop by to do a visual inspection. Larry Schwartx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 20:32:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD524042E for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED1040075 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMT00JIWITNDI00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:27:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:27:22 -0400 Thread-index: AQKmh0Jr4lpZbdvYUvn+96rzKBWIfZdVGMSg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Joyride Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you. With your permission I will link to our club website... Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Lemon Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:49 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Joyride Don't usually do this, but here is a link to our local club newsletter, this article brought a big smile to my face, and I thought it might to others too, so I thought I would share it. http://flatwater.org/news/may13.pdf Turn to page 3, "Take a Kid for a Ride" Regards, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 20:52:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8BA4009A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EF840078 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c2Cw1l0010EPchoAA2pAhS; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:49:11 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id c2pA1l00l2xZMJ48M2pAmf; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:49:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 02:49:10 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Lawrence Schwartz s=q20121106; t=1368586151; bh=RvWVOQdUk/MdmWcUMROQVS9QEN1WjLd88UW//9A+i8U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Y105u7GZl/oSuWEmeedWR1xoBweglvcF4pzf4dXzSP4Yu43PRsSYchb6r2JoTqBJj faS7n63eNF8gskVqWtNPnePnFQegxi4ij1+9aTmafNunq+z4tWvfzb6zH1VVSOP6v1 f7CBve+CL+l/nXiVbKKokIR3swFWE39XMErGF7mX906uKyLV0tWJkbeA5zeEPdi0gl tZzSe2q9lgZlF0GN/REM2v5i/xtbptXAM7u3LfUWqR/xyW+YCzzpgqcz3N6w5fUBf+ I0qPVnm7M6IUtwyDhZYCmlhQDyYhIkN3nSZh0ILcrd0XHt4iWzVadmdpQboVZP4vrQ MLOjfjIEbgWfg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3- Gullwing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Really? I think we can see all that we need to see. Wow, what a joke. It would be worth 450 if the apron was still usable, that's looks questionable. Ok, so go look at it to see if the apron is any good. I love cars and always have, but this is part of what's wrong with the automobile business. This guy should give it away to the first interested party. I'd bet that's how he got it. $450 might be reasonable. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Schwartz" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:09:34 PM Subject: [TR] Tr3- Gullwing List, I don't live to far from Gullwing Motors. I will stop by to do a visual inspection. Larry Schwartx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 21:04:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4C840432 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3064006C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.102] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 8a9a001a0a1a1fae; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:01:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:00:56 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: wbeech@flash.net References: Cc: 'Listserv Triumph' Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/2013 5:26 PM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a > $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? > > Oh.my.goodness. If one were to buy (if they were still available) all new parts necessary to make up a complete car, it would probably cost less than it would take to put this car right. Now, I can see taking this on as a challenge, if one had nothing else to do and had a lot of spare cash, but, geez, the least they could do would be to give a guy a couple of hundred bucks to help with the towing, instead of trying to charge cash money for this, uh, umm, uh (nope, car isn't quite right, is it?), umm, _approximation_ of an automobile. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 21:38:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17A4041B for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B6540321 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id k13so1119381wgh.31 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:34:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qFDV2GpKYRwKEB8bG6Qs9RvNF1Pp+99p0H8B5KFCBxs=; b=f78LMIpOPjRyaGqjwFhZMaAZ3NKwFDC8baO6h4CNaAhiHV1ih6VsUSac6/cNKD/tAu W9ND0GwJLfmEWeMkouQzExwOTRZiSp5WMy0fyMQsKk9w7ojl7p9R3MPo6FvTuNG1UeDA ncb+sX/f/kLkBHtqJ1Ofg50ALv7+7wqWtec1t9tPhtppFSPkruSCKy/COjCbROTufrxW bBo17ZIjjVHSXiLNW50d6ktKUxF+IO4lU88J1zmTf4N6X54+3ChC1Kn7s7MPDCUJU5Vq wMNOEmewYHgXljqLPUqM7sJ52cjhnez5kqPQiDaEoUEW4eTT8/eakhx+0ERqSCH40EyF c9Ng== n6mr11283928wiw.28.1368588891188; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.170 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:34:51 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:34:51 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Reminds me of a story a friend of mine, a vintage fountain pen dealer, told me about a conversation early in his career. He was selling perfectly good, and reasonably collectible, Parker "51" fountain pens for something like $125. Some of the old guard dealers came to him to let him know his prices were too low -- that they were all selling those pens for something like $250. Bob laughed at them. He said "you're ASKING $250 for them. I'm SELLING them at $125." The guys went back to their tables muttering, stuck to their guns, and continued to bring the same pens to every show. And Bob has financed his retirement with his ability to know what something's worth. To those folks holding out hope that something will be worth a given value just because they REALLY want it to be... good luck to them. They should plan on keeping whatever it is a very long time. On 5/14/13, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I used to think these folks understood cars and values...... This is a > $4500. car? Maybe they missed a decimal place? > > http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-triumph-tr3-convertible-c-952.htm?sear > chtype=bymm > rchtype=bymm&make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL> > &make=TRIUMPH&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL& > > > Absolutely NFI, > BB > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 01:47:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06D640422 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2D84003E for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 37EBE700000AB for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 03:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dbc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.197]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EC106E000082 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 03:43:51 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 76.254.9.16 by webmail-m209.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.234) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 15 May 2013 03:43:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 03:43:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368603832; bh=YFMfLleKUBE9p/HC3uS/QkvaMKpQVN46owNnKo3FqQU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v/C7u3Wk2WVG6Ys+Iq4iHK/0nPmklqrTIjeDQxklvXpesV3s06S/whjrNR/zObCCZ bRXLm0kTgmHwu120QLRX9W3i8RtpoLW9qMj1kyjVwELEpV9ztHESQp2zLxD3XoHxwf df0VlTAnp8/IAdgb8DdI/DCW8KnK+nt33pO/6Srk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51933cb7641c Subject: [TR] DIXON CA British Car/Swap Meet, May 19th Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi listers; The United British Sports Car Club of Sacramento is conducting its 2013 Annual All British Motor Vehicle Show and Swap Meet this Sunday May 19th 2013. This is one of my favorite events as it has an extensive Swap Meet and pleasant environment for cars It's returned to the preferred DIXON Fairgrounds, Dixon CA (last few years at Yolo Fairgrounds CA) Hope to see many of you there! See link below for more information. Carl '63 TR4 since '74 http://www.ubscc.org/CarShow.htm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 08:15:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56904043F for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F13340425 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9CBE470000082 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mha002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.130]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 471F8E000088 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) References: <5192FA68.6030607@dfn.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 15 May 2013 10:12:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368627151; bh=MZKFsm6DWuIw3BYplTW68BT+XQfBqFW5mUZxp+wNYbA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xkm4pM3gY7fZ0GHHmPwF97ZTlcdo28jCW0fWONjGOtebCd8nWiDBij8eoDD6/RH8M hS8I9RhaIzIyIIC4Bprmgf/D28KCrlrQtYJK/pFfIU3I1a5lh5WDeaOyQ/7NcTzXNq r1KkBR3uF9VPZIMFeAFTLCxrlwPMZHIVxx9hVF/4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb519397cf2bdd Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Michael Porter mused: Oh.my.goodness. If one were to buy (if they were still available) all new parts necessary to make up a complete car, it would probably cost less than it would take to put this car right. I don't think anyone is still casting wet-liner blocks or gearbox cases, and I suspect that new rear axle housings also are not readily available. But one can get complete, new bodies out of England, chassis from RAT-CO...and just about everything else from the usual suspects. Given the asking price on some current "show" cars, I think Michael's assessment is spot-on! Several years ago, I was surprised and pleased to have been offered $1500 for one of my TR3As. It needed pretty much EVERYTHING, but it was "showroom" compared to the "Gullwing" car. The other 3A I had wasn't quite as good, and I got $700 for that (including a hardtop that needed a lot of work but was straight and fairly solid). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 08:39:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0531140510 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B554032A for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cEUY1l0061wfjNsA6Ecnvz; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:36:47 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cEan1l00X2yr1eL8jEanXD; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:34:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 14:34:47 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: "Andrew S. Mace" s=q20121106; t=1368628607; bh=cfNKu87rQFwrH7uk8ylxM4GHgHfyPAukkdo1lQPGmTE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=P3JKMf7lmsTcR76SjZ66rKUpLaRWptIopcRoqja0FAcJ3uAfhOaTl0XhbQrEpY6Ov wj5GOSGbSgQsBsvnfNxVrW6+Z9sTNI+UXPM1swld61thsNng83+Lbr8cr1fBmw4N75 iClTexmLMUKXpv0jDx2EETWB0DlERyBLmKD5n3x2zz/EFLSnvoWO+Dq0P3Xs4kOu1Z 9yOWJQaqau4zahR+ZX9XbyMhrx3S8EiQcZ2fQmoc1YfGwLrGUhCCfqNz0WQVoaafD8 FSu4PJHvbvlUYHWYH7HoZD59WDGrxnB+XHStMTDEzrRKYzBalWHETmdlMjlVRIH+RN 9I3ObK/L1nk5w== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net About Gullwing, see http://bringatrailer.com/2013/05/14/v8-powered-1965-jaguar-xke-coupe But for a real fright pig, see http://bringatrailer.com/2013/05/10/matching-numbers-nightmare-1969-chevrolet-camaro-rsss-396-convertible/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew S. Mace" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] 1958 TR3A at GullWing Motors > Michael Porter mused: > > > Oh.my.goodness. If one were to buy (if they were still available) all > new parts necessary to make up a complete car, it would probably cost > less than it would take to put this car right. > > I don't think anyone is still casting wet-liner blocks or gearbox > cases, and > I suspect that new rear axle housings also are not readily available. > But one > can get complete, new bodies out of England, chassis from RAT-CO...and > just > about everything else from the usual suspects. Given the asking price > on some > current "show" cars, I think Michael's assessment is spot-on! > > Several years ago, I was surprised and pleased to have been offered > $1500 for > one of my TR3As. It needed pretty much EVERYTHING, but it was > "showroom" > compared to the "Gullwing" car. The other 3A I had wasn't quite as > good, and I > got $700 for that (including a hardtop that needed a lot of work but > was > straight and fairly solid). > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 13:14:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4601C4043D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D5040401 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:08:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.250] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:08:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:08:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 98226 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2013 19:08:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368644919; bh=yOr6RHQdOk1kX4HjfoaFYC8/wwXiJFsjXdbN6V3sg8Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vFC7lI4G2RNag86Cs4l0ybIFykYzaAmziAeDK4dHSrANR2QvKiU3dVAlz27GFO+JKlR9iwK9GMjwwhtPFagqdKVRUxmSaVRo9HhI8xP2B2WepjFPxjsRLr7Ifqkv0t910VjiyHX4WMmxoCHPfBjQjkgsM6g7Wo1rCUmomu7iyu4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n5qeH/UuRzInudFIZWcR9zjcjJ/I6GMlaZ5Ty1G7pTRL1y/7Gx2QV33/nfC+iZnbcuubeB9SYlx46Dg6fHr0Flmeq5BGPxPPb9tbs7a+cfrl3IgikIILpYfKpUl92JlElRpJh2R+ad0cvEcRqUowX6b84Jv0/mfmAnPpdkiqHAc=; Zg48cSHoHT71JpJQ3wHQL5YVksgvDxUL4n7G_rO0fRgrYc4oUMXQw7d3Kg.J w2og8YW.RjWClMwddCrGiKYcFxhockI7ipGnygHrK6w4xaE4mSsyCxnRQfHS d5FOMO67ZcodAD3l.jZj8BG1TB_oG..Sb1mk.2I8Emzrq5txoHxExrsqf6mv Mdx5Lp7FsIgy_CtXwr0rUiZHO24lURuf6.jTYrdbTAxma4n1oEZrg83d9yyZ 4yCEviSmCPtCrlJwvPJbocLFE9jBqMP_2KfHmuP8nYEBrh1stZlIW.TttvW4 mMUBqoAUKNdPxrheT21bBYQGZ7xTzKOmF.MnFjNSAIBCcSgotdftdEMcG7JX SQK1cPgGYZlJT5hcuI5nQFypgF_NRiRGuU81ktWt1RBctyZ6w_x5Ltw8oVF3 koGRnhwH39WlYraPoNpESwzq0eEQNKoKMOITmRhmILsrHWtv2CSkfTlQl_oa AIOk- Received: from [72.45.201.74] by web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:08:39 PDT SGkgTGlzdCEKSG93IGltcG9ydGFudCBpcyBwcm9wZXIgYmFja3ByZXNzdXJlIG9uIHRoZSBUUklVTVBIIGVuZ2luZSBydW5uaW5nP8KgwqAgTm90IG9uIHRoZSBib2R5IG9mIGEgcGVyc29uLgrCoApNeSBjYXIgaXMgcnVubmluZyByb3VnaCwgJiBJJ3ZlIGFsbCByZWFkeSByZXBsYWNlZCB0aGUgQmF0dGVyeSAob3ZlciAxMFlyLiBvbGQpLCAmIHRoZSBjb2lsIHdpdGggYW5vdGhlciB0aGF0IGhlbHBlZCB0aGUgY2FyIHJ1biBiZXR0ZXIgSXQncyBub3QgbmV3ICYgSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IGhvdyBnb29kIGl0IGkBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Rough running engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! How important is proper backpressure on the TRIUMPH engine running? Not on the body of a person. My car is running rough, & I've all ready replaced the Battery (over 10Yr. old), & the coil with another that helped the car run better It's not new & I don't know how good it is because I was told that there is NO WAY it can be bench tested. Is this a true statement? -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 13:23:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF59740408 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28CA400A5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.172.220.247]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTP id <0MMU00G0KTQBV540@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:20:36 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-15_05:2013-05-15,2013-05-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305150173 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.161]) by st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MMU009X4TQBOC50@st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com>; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:20:35 +0000 (GMT) To: Cosmo Kramer From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rough running engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Cosmo, Only anecdotal evidence, but long ago I had only a header on my car (had pulled the engine to rebuild, and the front muffler was shot so I just cut it out). It ran like crap to the muffler shop to get something else welded in, much better after that. So on some level, more back pressure (or just pipe) that the header is needed. -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 13:53:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C540C40454 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9213740433 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.193] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:49:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 77282 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2013 19:49:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368647372; bh=Ec3kEbIaM37kpMHSlICq6Xsn+83PPxGF1ejaxIr+sgo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AHTrRfriI9LsTuemwo+ZbA1K/BBhuHJ2kdpg3Heh5I8seXyO7p9MBRy3QYh4uwiB3hkWb7d4i6Rup14uv8ko7BKgq5rR3RFKI/cKrc79a5rRmoEUGRTt7SJKb2Nfhoi7jQzmdhebMWpkKNha3mg2EW2iL9D9L5f/RYN/j2MWAoc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A/ikkkLhPiASvkugpoMgv1Kj+k54i4IruiiZIQziYD/8YsHGFfUPFLSFUNK2zxcIYPDEjUqmE86TC3KRWnwEZpwge/CwRQ+izx3lGrwjMTAcgcDfSLxOLKMPpj4vbmbrnXfsj2vP1zCPlWhjOfW0JllOp107jsD8A+KKuEtDcUg=; eqF_W65ZgNS2hqgsK40rg5xVbvcw_S1l.OQjU2whN36z6lzBuY23DsBKwcwx .vL0tzY3vKMYND1CzVFaeFqEoNQKVVhqWtlz43BZB29.6oZuu4x0RO6J6p10 iGPvCxLSK168JwlL1GDQGlT0BQjkr3anOiV7E3eU0QGBjTQwboWtkatxjVBD a_14Kg5JfmbRoNSECMZABHw5lR.4i42_lejeuwP7f2BILkQJJK25b6prqQc2 s4bQ7Jn9DpHp5RZRt9.Jz2TwTu6Ysvqy7lwdt3af5JYZjYVdzh5ZJNY3hXnb KOWbMpehFHwQc6ZYOmn.uUI5RDvs.5cv9oq4294mL6TB2E8JGclOeN_OhZaA P28vhmOtciZDCeGVOScQzVd6vW4fvXw2pifwC8ymD7sURd8f7m9Jxc_JZGc5 38HTPEYK0YVq9EvbRArIakCRPCby4mPnDytsvu2b_w4Z3rF4Dam40UX7GJbL MJt1Mo6Y- Received: from [72.45.201.74] by web160105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:49:32 PDT SGkgTGlzdCEKV2hhdCBhcmUgdGhlIHNpZ25zIG9mIG5lZWRpbmcgdG8gY2hhbmdlIHBvaW50cyAmIGNvbmRlbnNvcj8KCi1Db3NtbyBLcmFtZXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List! What are the signs of needing to change points & condensor? -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BFF40511 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.123]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A0E40078 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:56:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.199] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:56:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 19:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19430 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2013 19:56:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368647815; bh=Dl+Npd/V6VZqd/lKav+FCY7y93hnDqkQwdmf1Rm5cfQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t5Ta/1ROMYF3Et2I8I4mD2td3vB/MhxDjoCeIF58p3tK3IWY7Vy9Op3TQMqSgUN7nzP4mEvAVcbib8BsUTsj8tT0p59CNz6b9qrToPtc5sgXEbmnM9emoB9ObQwnWD3HNZ5TBleMvB9PRdCKVcgBdW983XrnYLy2HQA7tFJjVls= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ft7FVqn/9l/cXDtKYmqWPXGe750JPVp2EKkhXhgxW0PLaErHByEfIP9i/NWzI/lSBP4ltQy8fChq3nioi3UFEBq1ZBQl0tJx3rY4ixbI/uVVLmk4AHJrFdJjJn7ZQCxVTS7KnLObur52MqXmGKSvcJsBhwqfBfJ3oDqbCe33NS8=; OZKU.oBUnbfltRuSeEb5ch5LTVdcpQv8NcsuDA.u.Dmrvch78SfGvP26je0U BbpG2Eo0cYfbaVxMy8ymhfvXf7VWYfTQ3_Cz3HJVfzns_XTyr2_9Bk1vEfB5 _diQ3XAPCH9F5h3kyB8ixhAvXNBYxI2WdwzskYMGNzMBBUaawWqR2gHXp20e lxjHUsFYQrm.HKEmNADTHOIBhGMMHBi0bQNZfrcOnabul1M6621mE6D4YIzC HYKWmq_CSbead7lcmKist1O4kBdHXESX3FwVffPX5p6JP5YRdLhovPAYMMHF GWYtws3llGuWMBEqf2bzVK77ccK.Xk9zDEsVWh3dzI7nvaDpxCXvR_mgOg2C fkkjg8CuFuq2oEDwJQUs1vLOLpH8KMZT8dbAkPS9QBOU8kphr.67y_UASJIs .yAGL8q9.qCG.7NyNStPBiPTHpSx1GiwJbgmBPNFbxI.k1TrfpBD7gDnvb.l VpbFF.B_hmtcgCQwhoXafg3Iq34Y8Y_BHV3i0RV.t9h13gWAJVph.J8AOoEK Kw61XffY- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:56:55 PDT aGF2aW5nIHRvIHdhbGsgISEhISEKCgpGcm9tOiBDb3NtbyBLcmFtZXIgPHRyNGEyNzEyQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KVG86ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBNYXkgMTUsIDIwMTMgMTI6NDkgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBSb3VnaCBydW5uaWcgZW5naW5lICMyCgoKSGkgTGlzdCEKV2hhdCBhcmUgdGhlIHNpZ25zIG9mIG5lZWRpbmcgdG8gY2hhbmdlIHBvaW50cyAmIGNvbmRlbnNvcj8KCi1Db3NtbyBLcmFtZXIKCioqIHRyaXUBMAEBAQE- References: <1368647372.75257.YahooMailNeo@web160105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Cosmo Kramer , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net having to walk !!!!! From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Hi List! What are the signs of needing to change points & condensor? -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:11:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6444044D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03194400A5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:11:27 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=NSYeMkQ-xz4A:10 a=zF-Qr5X5tSSlBl4SpaMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:34816] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B7/3F-16585-E3BE3915; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:08:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:08:38 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Cosmo Kramer References: <1368644919.85058.YahooMailNeo@web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rough running engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Cosmo, Use an ohm meter to check the coil. I cant remember the exact # of ohms but someone will post it I am sure. On a stock 4A should be the same as a 3, 4 or up to 72 TR6. Bob On 05/15/2013 03:08 PM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > Hi List! > How important is proper backpressure on the TRIUMPH engine running? > Not on the body of a person. > > My car is running rough, & I've all ready > replaced the Battery (over 10Yr. old), & the coil with another that helped the > car run better It's not new & I don't know how good it is because I was told > that there is NO WAY it can be bench tested. Is this a true statement? > > -Cosmo > Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:25:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF40740408 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A517940397 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:12:57 -0600 (MDT) a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:17 a=K_HASx86CtQA:10 a=jeJY-ZdqjKYA:10 a=3Xs7mQY4as4A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=pqFekecIXK8A:10 a=tKzjUpL6rs6F7xzZQZQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iTuw6M2WiDFW56x2NvjMDA==:117 Received: from [67.242.29.1] ([67.242.29.1:34927] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C7/60-16585-99BE3915; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:10:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:10:09 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Cosmo Kramer References: <1368647372.75257.YahooMailNeo@web160105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Cosmo, If you have a new set, it is the best sign if you suspect something is wrong. Only way to find out sometime is to start replacing with new or trusted parts. Bob On 05/15/2013 03:49 PM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > Hi List! > What are the signs of needing to change points & condensor? > > -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:54:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4D74044D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9547840397 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id a14so4745909iee.41 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pqEBMrVcTeyVLn6jS2FCjhd3+SO3ovRHKJaZhsbRoVs=; b=a+f59Df+fa0tm7lF0FXkj5sO9fQiwUbdl4qorp3EVWLOkNFPhhJs/0ci+OUD328tB4 7vJTuvEZ/XiWFKpONZBQC00e25gv5UDzgYXEhyRV5DollqzuvwYgcZzsWWXl0e0Hneo4 nclxgOwZfmMysR0iT0slM9zys+odwt44fLnKnSXF46elTSb20xEHHOBAnaTCjO7L/PFT YB3WYUmT+oJu41NCdKIX3daj3408TVMdEeatnNYcW4yTuFF38vfaSuox2Plp9tiq2tEC QHP8rL7oHZ+USOAxYCrcciFd4MdkgnwWLwzSE5ECGJV6uZ0A+Sd+y7dfSXJPhDKHR0Zm FJ5w== e3mr6690882igl.104.1368650525555; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xf4sm31658201igb.8.2013.05.15.13.42.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:41:58 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Triumph List References: <1368647372.75257.YahooMailNeo@web160105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5193EBA1.3010204@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When a condenser is going out the engine will start the odd miss which will become more frequent then to the point where it is missing enough that the vehicle will hardly idle. If points short or open up (I've never seen this on a vehicle with functioning points) the engine will immediately die. If points slip the engine will have less power and stumble all over itself whenever you try to apply power. It might start & idle OK but the engine stumbles if you try to apply power. Currently available points are nowhere as good as they used to be. Check for pitting & buildup on the point surfaces. Resurface with a jewelers flat file if needed. Reset the point gap. Most of the time the point gap has slipped. Frozen mechanical advance or bad vacuum advance can act like slipped points so be sure to check them as well. While you have the cap off be sure to look for carbon tracking on the inside of the cap and for deep pitting. Make sure the centre contact is making contact with the rotor. Sometimes the rotor can be sanded at the contact areas to get off carbon buildup. TeriAnn > > On 05/15/2013 03:49 PM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: >> Hi List! >> What are the signs of needing to change points & condensor? >> >> -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 15:05:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592AC40078 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783FA4006C for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 16so4879247iea.3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wgMHg5BdRPw3L8/61C7qMwglvx5qwgH7wH7Hs5SYce4=; b=BHj5KK8Bivcgwky9ZUHXBwhKMAIY+SIZCBqeaYsGRHfX/Ot3nLAb0QUoV//Xw1AivD G7JmIl+HfmtgRab+4F266lD9BmwNyo7ErDovlVTQH2vdphddYM4pTyUJmtaxMru9NXvc G0LNEMraFsgeVYBE9R2bKnDCERb7m5yvHzfPtvHtrM8hyZ8XoRRKOwLGHV7woEDHeJVC s2cj7gq6TbD2frFrDngF6q3afXXVrEKcBxzVue4ocGJkc7ffJTrLrCKtlDfYwArjgl8o sGo6DjB+in13yPjaUOg3ToqBLx0w6Ss6C40mRS9xwcbV43c6veCU9cvJWdWxXHJGGRNL TrUw== kc9mr21560098icc.9.1368651767158; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ct8sm6377965igb.7.2013.05.15.14.02.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 14:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 14:02:42 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1368644919.85058.YahooMailNeo@web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Rough running engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/15/13 12:08 PM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > My car is running rough, & I've all ready > replaced the Battery (over 10Yr. old), & the coil with another that helped the > car run better It's not new & I don't know how good it is because I was told > that there is NO WAY it can be bench tested. Is this a true statement? > Malarkey! There are automotive volt meters that measure the output of a coil. You place a connector between the coil centre and the coil centre wire and connect the meter's ground connection to ground. Fire up the engine and it will tell you the voltage generated by your coil. Mind you worn points, incorrectly adjusted points a tired condenser and bade centre spark plug wire can cause a low voltage output at the coil. Assuming your battery is fully charged you can get a rough idea with a simple spark test between the centre wire and ground (engine off, ignition on). TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 15:40:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9087440445 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B34740324 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id cMdT1l00J5SgtPc01MdUz9; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:37:28 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumph List" References: <1368647372.75257.YahooMailNeo@web160105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><5193EBA1.3010204@adelphia.net> <5193F316.3040207@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:37:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net here are numerous links on how to test a coil from youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=test+ignition+coil&oq=test+ignition&gs_l=youtube.3.0.0l6j0i5l3.1673.5590.0.7288.15.14.1.0.0.0.135.1278.10j4.14.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Dsxu_v-lwdM I know that mossmotors has a good one - you might search on that within youtube ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 16:10:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E7540439 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE25F40067 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 22:07:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.247] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 22:07:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 22:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 87973 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2013 22:07:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368655653; bh=nTHGl0P+KVM8hA/ZgTW4txzWKyKoqFaarFdhh8mNe6s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WFoIB/eogllbWtKBpISdNR57aCQjRFfSda0EXvhRMoFVEwnEH9TOEm4Ozt91hqyhKwbZZC8s0sG0V6WkWgrBuRRY2DWDvnY4tUJqAgQuFT7/MeA6+ZlqZLpIeypTHJK/DWvi9Th2mPQDdxuvNgt/qlLOmAhYpj0axbbLSxLCTRc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gaZhFPiFAkSNYzDV29lg4aifcY72SqHk0eU6LvcwF70OJtReUjOuLaq7qxNzZRlCP3SyHmhnTVLioSS8C1zxiOHhAWY40lHcbP6moMXNnlfM60sXKv84WeqaFblfafLClcOm6zrfMo91gRMXohDyewDb8PFU14aoh1pr5JQEym8=; JgBKUGV.C9wfurwpQyFMgKdkYdvcwDJX3m1YwvYXIL2YZAAmlAuq4xTQYPmT LNOgC2bygljwcBP9BAVTqeDdLaIjmyWj6pEAoBriwmf4D4HJtzVRBHjcIycz JmpEUHy72PH8OMdHYc4rHDmSF_B2SnERE4MIMv5JdAQdbRLkQW0tjqIPdMzG GrTTR9eY1AK2DEVDqmuADuPXg8LHS5xIhT4EneDqjPj9EeESIUQFcLuHVmQE Q0roCRAD_tDYuU7HAOfY4l6VWo_xKsj6HSUd10pys8xx2jrokN13dVXdDdf1 tx0PnHIfAMHlG9eg2fo2uc0blswpqRKlBzaFHxSkI2gwsmHbOL1IlB7C1hdo mmyCX7aciPZUMtX8yXGgOqN0A7bMzTv_5uUaDQlzhqPJEeLya2OqcX8adWaG zEDsax_YhdMVcpUAV4.laA9qRuvgAzNWO9u3OPoRRFXjP5HqGxbvOWFMdYyx O.qfYBrruoAFilvUF9YYNjx.GH.l5qH1ihwg2_OEWU2xe6mDLchExz0AouRv i82vg3cK0y0tHg7v0QR87A7FAAKDIUs7c6dh5kJuy59k8nzHkYxfa28HcrsW yZrM5nEAPsyxf8SWxBQ3uQhBkh.HGgPN.GtHGCKuKISCVbSlUDEzyxgC6bKN cuOMa.BMZv_TQnZ3rmGLU.eLMNitDsbJQJNH1lPvZeygYfuBZ3ojmut2MsKZ xrLrHaY0G54LVROK.SJoWrSteidnNhbggyjIsnb7Jsw0Rs_ds Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 23:07:32 BST SWYgaXRzIHN0aWxsIHJvdWdoIGFmdGVyIGNoZWNraW5nIGNvaWwsIHBvaW50cyBhbmQgY29uZGVuc2VyIC0gb3IgJ25vdCBxdWl0ZSBhcyByb3VnaCcgY2hlY2sgdGhlIGRpc3RyaWJ1dG9yIGNhcCBmb3IgaGFpcmxpbmUgY3JhY2tzLiBJJ3ZlIHJlcGxhY2VkIHRocmVlIG9yIGZvdXIgZG93biB0aGUgeWVhcnMgd2hlbiBtaXNmaXJlcyBhbmQgbGFjayBvZiBwb3dlciBzdWdnZXN0ZWQgZHVmZiBwb2ludHMgb3IgY29uZGVuc2Vycy4gVGhvc2Ugd2VyZSBPSyBidXQgdGhlIGRpenp5IGNhcHMgd2VyZW4ndC4KwqABMAEBAQE- References: <1368647372.75257.YahooMailNeo@web160105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><5193EBA1.3010204@adelphia.net> <5193F316.3040207@gmail.com> <353779A0B4A4413A93F0B253313B4B20@Datsun> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 23:07:32 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Dave , Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If its still rough after checking coil, points and condenser - or 'not quite as rough' check the distributor cap for hairline cracks. I've replaced three or four down the years when misfires and lack of power suggested duff points or condensers. Those were OK but the dizzy caps weren't. Jonmac >________________________________ > From: Dave >To: Triumph List >Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013, 22:37 >Subject: Re: [TR] Rough runnig engine #2 > > >here are numerous links on how to test a coil from youtube > >http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=test+ignition+coil&oq=test+ignit ion&gs_l=youtube.3.0.0l6j0i5l3.1673.5590.0.7288.15.14.1.0.0.0.135.1278.10j4.1 4.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Dsxu_v-lwdM > >I know that mossmotors has a good one - you might search on that within >youtube > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 16:23:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AC24043D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D66400A5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 16:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NSYeMkQ-xz4A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=xAJPUqncwr1bbzMoeyAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:46016] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 8E/CE-11869-61A04915; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:20:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 22:20:06 +0000 From: Randall To: Cosmo Kramer Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rough running engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Bob Labuz wrote: > Cosmo, > > Use an ohm meter to check the coil. I cant remember the exact # of ohms > but someone will post it I am sure. > > On a stock 4A should be the same as a 3, 4 or up to 72 TR6. Between the two side terminals = 3 ohms. Center (spark) terminal to either side terminal can vary, anything within roughly 8Kohm to 15Kohm is probably OK. Any terminal to case should show open circuit (infinite ohms). Not an exhaustive test, but should catch at least 80% or so of coil failures. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 18:34:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EAF40443 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 18:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32934009A for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 18:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x16so942164vbf.38 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:31:01 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=f3jW3rjtKixVKefTdNWVQG8dgzwTknl9S/MBC79SNsM=; b=N6Bqveq/PEuxXZ1rMoEVvlIofGabm6XLy1iYUzQ+sJJ2Xt1cmGZNOLLz1Mlo0UbwnN 3/O7a8uysz5Fd2Pb9GdOT0lYpfuXAaso/36BZzl0a8lz/pLy7C/GvphnkSo2UvwoNSv3 224hq6I97pRIqXHY0JKDJSvt16/+kMejcVLUIEQdUHKbSEelkRdTDSBff01THFWDGK9c 1nxt9/YepEpq7IqUIU4LXdqIIW6ZrPXZGpTIn6hXahQcdingDjZqKbbGYP1cavLLKTkm 1XTEDO5ly2y50UWqPDkvrH/JavZVy9DFYEkMBqcP8l7OBMXVSdalCaNV6tbFFDDqm5Cx hheQ== xa8mr1304474vdb.48.1368664261708; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:31:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR3A engine is blowing lots of smelly but only slightly visible fumes out of the breather tube. Enough that is was clearly noticeable to those unfortunate enough to be following me when I got on it. My interpretation was a massive amount of blow-by from one or more cylinders. A compression check yielded: 1 - 135# 2 - 140# 3 - 135# 4 - 85# Adding oil into #4 did not raise compression at all so I thought it unlikely to be the rings. A leak down test on #4 sent copious amounts of air out the breather tube. Took the head off this morning -- no hole in #4 piston and the gasket shows no noticeable (to my eye) signs of failing around #4 cylinder. Anyway, head gasket failures I have had have always been either coolant into the cylinder or combustion products into the coolant -- the rim of the cylinder is a (relatively) long way from the oil galleys. I will note that the projection of the liners above the deck is very slight so I do plan to use 'Randall's Fire Ring' 26awg copper wire enhancement on the next gasket. Now my choices -- put an 'improved' head gasket back on, torque the head down and do another leak-down test or... Open up the bottom end and push #4 piston out to see what the rings look like. Would a broken ring produce the problem & numbers I am seeing? Is there something else I am completely missing? Thanks for any advice, guesses or sympathy. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 19:26:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B164009B for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8DA4009B for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:26:06 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eDmDmi8bBQQA:10 a=f0T-yRPMvGZYinY33yYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 50/F9-16585-FF434915; Thu, 16 May 2013 01:23:11 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Geo Hahn'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:23:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5RzLhy6yFOf6T0R2iRfTY/dwEbmgABlMmg Subject: Re: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Definitely pull #4 piston. Sounds like a broken ring, or maybe broken piston to me. Can't be the head gasket, or there would be coolant involved. Don't forget to clamp the liners, as you'll most likely have to turn the crank to get #4 apart. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 19:56:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B640448 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96AE400A5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 19:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ed20so2474213lab.9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 18:53:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BbaFMjxPSQBO+T3Z0SLA0JoNyrRle0OXrfgchlutHNQ=; b=yQ994OaaihYvA3JyELBTWYuPDPN/2TZoUu1zbjKUtjzFGs6O51/kkgkJY/hplGAL82 2pb9SKASSiXP2ZnTyzegYBZwXoqYxycxIM9xwdjkpZHStzkY2srtDZTsCPjZpKk1ZXd+ v0tMmj5tJFBAIYke9kC0Ujxhz+uwuZGS28ZzT4M6dPcXWxS1dZi7dqdJkwMjJYs2pc0P ShThr50dEAvvOBxSgZsZqd9UodttvBJtIlydde78lzDeoVO5+74PJl2DdaCmRQrVDW7S YdoygO2bGSQNP0bdEpsp2AIfOPT/SnOSc54KH/VfhMZ03HsoOyRWtas547ZOt9tb0xTO yBqA== te6mr18714496lbb.133.1368669231885; Wed, 15 May 2013 18:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.133 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 18:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.133 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 18:53:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <50.F9.16585.FF434915@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:53:51 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 for Randall. I've got a blow by problem i need to address as well. At stop signs i have good smoke coming out .... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 22:31:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B865C40446 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D28640408 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 22:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 04:27:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 04:27:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 04:27:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368678470; bh=nZKhfq8gfn5NvBuIE5zg6kHiQZMF7CbeIxIhsM41AyQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=EUz+t0q8bD2yFSzpoW6T2P+Tzh3EvTRuVaLjWX4iMuab5bDZZcndxajaj7ybJ/tTO9OcKwV+/sQcs0VrcB+5wlIgCItx1joC+vKF/nz9kapbPcyHdpHTnX0l7bovFoCbHc4kB6iwNqZUhqlAC0+cK9mgY/Q8H3leCQQ3WoNNFo4= 5CjW92Bl1u2E0R6SEKG9Q_4QjbvpY9BYdKn.iHhFAckb6AMfKFOy.oV8Jkop oHFVUTH5RA3FwXPCt3mVpz4u2oZTM0o4s2Z52.sFEamYh5F0S0aFhbNGZ9NZ bVs3gah1zRHss.gs3M2DscPGv3sBnPxPSxtY94jVntCt9ZyIGB_WV6xq.8dw PdfsUDsbfWsTtSWYyDOBQi_nqgwxrHX0L1QE1l_dFxdPS97NwYKpwDqUBTsc SlDX6NQl3pGEOdKgVKFmtWsZnRvY5gYbCG6wngJF7fXIPSBbRlmggxB14LzT Ui96qvVlArw4Y9Cs6gf6VGKBEBOZbygjTHRd21LeCP2qU5YZRWNlZGlTjf2z EAg.oVF356MRdukht0s6LlSxYRNcc2ty1YqziNd3TWcy3bKGX6LO.Tkuz55l 9Foz3icVyu9Yb5NPuoukmSU6L_Hs4TvlMyiX57Gu7opCcYM6fcKjQqaVRG3s pDIZ8sXZVoLAbxZ8BPh_VH9Tjzsbm1L7xoTw2IXAu_0AgW0cSDpPJFUBYMPI vgnwBWxuqiGJLC4eGD5gEEZPRZg-- smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 21:27:50 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Geo Hahn'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 23:27:51 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5RzL8AVcKL8lIjSLaejyq80uAoAQAH12bQ Subject: Re: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I should think you will see traces of failue if it is indeed the head gasket. Have you given the head and the #4 valves a good check and test? Stand the head on edge with the ports facing up and pour some gas into them and look for a leak. Maganaflux the head, could be a crack that you can't see when it is cold. If you broke a ring, I should look for signs of scoring in the bore. You didn't mention if this is something that came on quickly or over time. A burned piston will usually leave debris on the plug electrode. You might even pour an inch of gas into the cylinder and see how fast it seeps through, don't forget to change the oil. This is a perfect example as to why everyone should have a spare TR in the garage, enjoy your TR4 this weekend. All the best, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:31 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A My TR3A engine is blowing lots of smelly but only slightly visible fumes out of the breather tube. Enough that is was clearly noticeable to those unfortunate enough to be following me when I got on it. My interpretation was a massive amount of blow-by from one or more cylinders. A compression check yielded: 1 - 135# 2 - 140# 3 - 135# 4 - 85# Adding oil into #4 did not raise compression at all so I thought it unlikely to be the rings. A leak down test on #4 sent copious amounts of air out the breather tube. Took the head off this morning -- no hole in #4 piston and the gasket shows no noticeable (to my eye) signs of failing around #4 cylinder. Anyway, head gasket failures I have had have always been either coolant into the cylinder or combustion products into the coolant -- the rim of the cylinder is a (relatively) long way from the oil galleys. I will note that the projection of the liners above the deck is very slight so I do plan to use 'Randall's Fire Ring' 26awg copper wire enhancement on the next gasket. Now my choices -- put an 'improved' head gasket back on, torque the head down and do another leak-down test or... Open up the bottom end and push #4 piston out to see what the rings look like. Would a broken ring produce the problem & numbers I am seeing? Is there something else I am completely missing? Thanks for any advice, guesses or sympathy. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 03:43:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7584043F for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2515340427 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kx1so2351904pab.13 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:39:45 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SGALhHcckwPzGIveXlpDn0TeL8TXqSUbuPyRrm+IpbA=; b=k4jIpKgF7xjIZCSkPGZ0ZUVLBWYdhU+M/Cb0SkKI6U4uiGxjU/oLYwAOUEsWl3ZXX+ kPhzb4ScNvrbiYSohtTFTqg5RhRmtW0ypNZ36v3kB4q5sRS7x5Pv8TulCZgMp/i+zvJy F6QeShfv/w+6LcfUBIa+wo6nIYGb2ZbnvdcDz4hUuCIT1LREhpvAIo4l8wdOJai5mQ3O Oppq1J/gn5INRVGnv3nuZ3wG+56SlqpBbvWMKx2epinw++wW8TUDm2xT8uKaLZyQh1GI 0wYNs39lWWWvsPmtiGe2XOnnyJlULyiqMxCuDaXuA+3UGJ9ZOoZxNXAkQO4PGPQmnrtp ykZA== kh3mr34286962pbc.74.1368697185128; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.231 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 02:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 05:39:45 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR clutch MC pushrod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 63 TR4 was converted by the previous owner from having the TR4/4A style of brake and clutch system to the TR250/6 system. Not necessarily the prettiest job but functional. My problem is the clutch pedal is closer to the drivers seat than the brake pedal by almost 1-1/4" at the bottom of the pedal. This situation makes It's rather annoying to push the pedal in. My best guess is when the conversion was done the TR4/4A clutch MC push rod was used instead of a TR250/6 MC push rod. Anyone know for certain that the length of the push rods is different between the TR4/4A and the TR250/6 models? A 1/4" to 1/2" difference where the push rod connects with the pedal would make a big difference where the foot touches the pedal. The only useful dimension I can come up with is on my car the center of the pin (in the clutch pedal) is about 2-3/4" from the face of the MC when the pedal is in the at rest position. Oh yeah, the other thing is the part numbers for the push rods between the two models is different. Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 09:27:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00394044C for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f68.google.com (mail-vb0-f68.google.com [209.85.212.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296094043B for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f68.google.com with SMTP id x16so366844vbf.7 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=M6+k3HHFRqDqzOVFTR7x8jq4jx+RWthfFLBPz6HQ0vA=; b=vm2DxcT3Ss2yOdjHbpiQUFS5MF1EGVkhW3U5gG0yRy1z8a3/YSLoOPn5aHXMhoYEFK sdBfrng8KM/2vYGsPZtEga7DF3cQFowCXe4hTqPCtzMutaRKTkADLWm8f0x/BJSLzyOX G4vLMUyLyfyRbPJ699lzDf7iCgeFK85V+ipzfOOvFaNpBieCaDHc9T464fSCheBnbwNr i26LBkj2G5KIax6VHLTdwnPb8LlunPHm1zJ4/AexlJVBN7IQUPAhWvrJpvBMZCBIFl06 C4Y9DErrcc7Io+ysBlqsig2kiHRYzF5qLG0iS+yPk3Rjo4Gotgr+u5XUqN3uLcf+I05T LKCQ== z3mr28436904vck.18.1368717816722; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 08:23:36 -0700 From: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wellsir, this isn't so pretty -- http://tinyurl.com/auxpb6d The very good news is that the cylinder wall appears undamaged -- a very slight scuff that I can see but cannot feel. Seems I have only recovered about 1/4 of the missing ring -- makes me wonder where the rest went. I have not done a thorough exam of the oil though I do use a strong magnetic drain plug that had no pieces on it. It could have also launched itself somewhere as I was under the car when I popped the piston out. Of course this problem could pre-date the prior oil change (can't recall when I started using the magnetic plug). The engine ran so well (even with this problem) that I am inclined to address the immediate issue in the most direct way -- I assume that would be a used 83mm piston -- rather than pursuing new parts that come is sets of 4. BTW -- when I say 'ran so well' I mean revved easily and cruised happily at 70-75 mph. I no doubt had some power loss with the compression drop but nothing I couldn't overcome with my right foot. As always -- advice & education are what I'm looking for. Geo -----Original Message----- Subject: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A My TR3A engine is blowing lots of smelly but only slightly visible fumes out > of the breather tube. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 10:11:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0D940512 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 10:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com (mail-we0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD39A40427 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 10:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q57so2694783wes.23 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:08:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=BRw+gsYksMV0VLBhong5i8bqKkZkFM9E34FqJPtFAmg=; b=KvVrL5LRP5XxBwjCAFTi1+/fuyvfwd6LuvNkl149HGmTOX1NNpl0TykDH3NP66KSnD 4w/KC1xvEFhituBr7oqnsdCxEdcP2pSSCbWla7vcq+QT2KAd9XgaJng75wCXv7yMvf74 d0RzauVhSS896SBO52gxlMr3s9znc3eH1qB8gVZkyvftImh7CHhn5WVPMooFk9xs3Muo ZYJjNPsTwi/PBnMTJ0RitrIOADhvERczlbeWYXivwGg7x9i22HTSc6Ejo+86w+UbPZGq eGLvgybbrXg4/azQT/DiwTyjn/Z9+CbYn7CjBrU/+K0yv7f5S0vIrRahtOrsKxPGIZL4 8EhA== li8mr26237671wic.15.1368720520960; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.170 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:08:20 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] First TR5 up for sale in UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any takers? Only 50,000 GBP (about 75K USD). http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/historic-triumph-tr5-is-up-for-sale-in-cheshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 12:25:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449C440450 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408C64044A for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eDmDmi8bBQQA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mbMItqsmWxSXpi2OhOkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:60191] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 37/6D-11869-2D325915; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:22:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:22:10 +0000 From: Randall To: Geo Hahn Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Big Blow By -- TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Geo Hahn wrote: > Seems I have only recovered about 1/4 of the missing ring -- makes me > wonder where the rest went. Those pieces on top of the magnet look very thin. I'm not sure what would do that, but evidently something tore the ring up pretty good. Perhaps the other pieces got through the gap into the combustion chamber and out the exhaust valve? > The engine ran so well (even with this problem) that I am inclined to > address the immediate issue in the most direct way -- I assume that would > be a used 83mm piston -- rather than pursuing new parts that come is sets > of 4. Seems reasonable to me. I drove a lot of years with a pretty badly damaged cylinder wall, and as you say it ran well enough. Oil consumption was surprisingly minimal, too. I think my current TR3 engine blows more oil than that old 3A engine did. If I find time this weekend, I'll see if there are any usable 83mm pistons that I haven't thrown out yet. Don't think I saved any rings, but a set of rings is only $40-50. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 12:35:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883294052E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF7B4040F for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ccEv1l0020b6N6401iXzU1; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:31:59 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ciXz1l00S2xZMJ48PiXztR; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:31:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Don Hiscock s=q20121106; t=1368729119; bh=NkyamCIzBKl0fT/q1FyT8JHIJpaioVhC/tlgEgG111E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=p9A/B22GQBPeuHK9s8faq3xjujUKeg5srO/P1FMrkNh41zsGwnGaGF3I77gfoMBrW nXt3vpc8hjUiyGYOOtcZ430N4U6/2TMKPILyNdi9ngFD2zaHd3ofdDGMwByUJxiAaT h5q/iMzdlsF8fWjIRb9BxhO3dl6A0m45OLYq8VI34h/BPgwRGgtC6g8QKegvaU+RH8 axUnCayJqpLwtG2tHQ4TMYadTcZgmWchJ0GnDwLJ+p9a4cpqW8CjqOsmLjL8jm5C0n BiYoGRzT2tJLobNtUI00oluDKekDgc8ieOkpcXnEc2zsjf/XSNwMqxHbQlwhRlpVon ke2gajFiOnbig== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] First TR5 up for sale in UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "In need of total restoration" I'll pass, thanks. I don't need to upside-down on another car, and this time with no tax write-off. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Hiscock" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:08:20 AM > Subject: [TR] First TR5 up for sale in UK > Any takers? Only 50,000 GBP (about 75K USD). > > http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/historic-triumph-tr5-is-up-for-sale-in-cheshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 17:27:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4430B40518 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A508440417 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ca1m1l0021GhbT853nQC0m; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:24:12 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cnQC1l01K2ymm843TnQCHy; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:24:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:24:12 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1368746652; bh=eOk3gEQKXfvBnLzXDdxikFxIZnM9gDkIvEWLigtjDgc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=O/Xm57jBtLCRxYy4LkLfqOYxdXPkZZJ32/7fPEsfRvcWPjfLJOhcypCNd9FsZr+x3 NdP8vDS5QPud/J+cFnz2p8qAYyzlIvBdiCjAJgclzt+249i2H1a9hA/mjbt8YC3veS ZmihK5mQmCs9ywql7gu1cPHl8yGRjwMf5EhUtxU6SRHajrO9wiQdc0a7Z1/HwQvH6Z FM6Yj5m2CvoLcL7HMeLwy5q0XJmotBGZT++I52mfKFF5EIp8lJ1drQ7vEArFIy/WR8 1Gkeow/4+Ba+7DwH0ZLTnXDDRoxKSPOA/CYF5jOPKH2nAmxtgEoRLl6/nNrG3nK4gY xFDeacU+L6kQw== Subject: [TR] Carlisle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association will be at Import Carlisle this weekend in spaces C66, C67 and C68. Stop by forB a brew. Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 17:29:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443BC40530 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC96B40402 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B6BA0E49 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:28:37 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: triumph list References: <1257970731.127165.1368746652823.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Carlisle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > The Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association will be at Import Carlisle this > weekend in spaces C66, C67 and C68. Stop by for a brew. > > > I'd love to, but ... mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 11:09:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3614051D for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 11:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0174D403D7 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 11:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 17:05:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 17:05:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 17:05:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 4403 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2013 17:05:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368810351; bh=PMthu59mmYMjYfcXzW5fuiQ7Q/NfP91A/tZDc/0cNVo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=khqBpSZSGWrp9jDLViTuIeyX98q7qx8crd7G8OQBcZPm2ez6orMswJXqpejqeXsCDNchof9deDtBuy+0PYnNo2zQx67C/l7T+RUvHxN/iMwr0SH0QB6zSFfGOipHBwQDfpo/JIlg7bd2z8yMw8dEkLcHBD6wqknK6KbRWE4S0+U= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A6yOGNRvi/vXtzlVUncbyFPfaLZQAlWUDmtwTCNlqn256CK3ITc0D0R9l6R07Mqe/yQEWv+6dtrQD89J5lTF1WK/I1mDSwRWDVBHxg9xIrw+N1mp2jupCJOSfSKK+dlRbfdY5YE5eII/D/Mb/DgGJhpY4KN8m1QzBmnUBqUckr0=; OT3j4gUUaxo2u76.jPg7kzB9mVH.o85kT5jbNhCaAoLCkEiuT61nNpeAR0hm HbJyDrTOcWgSheoheoVDPph2BqltMRDceqOxBGu8oLz9hEip_7aIcTJg1as2 wcNTPBV_o3ALAwoXkK3JQ23cVCWFcxnGhLPIUDy43kYHdVsSFOxNVMSdOTPd SF6sQ7NBtbB.ytatjEMiCSc2ncruudPeu8fQ68umlZesUwBFHXl6V_A3SnOX JzccUbRXtvTQAEuXB38SzPJ452T7BqJotOcf.xCie_4_r1Ipc8uYo0w1qTLG UTa1575ZUpu4Ecl8PDsv.K.Js0ctQpzZVODTWyui6BuyQLEp_Xq9urTh3GXx sz5RxEIUB._V_Uafb4RFxQJEImLHk3E3JIN2FH_5DWd_cmIXk1N52BCJQIjn 4SWh8NmPqJ7T7ma86OJhWQ8R3v7JOx36qTcfsxBBpijOnwCdAF0Z.X7959oc qhId8kjRHsYJ_hR.lGLD2 Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2013 10:05:50 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgU28gSSBoYXZlIHRoZSByYWRpYXRvciBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIFRSM0EuIFRoZSByYWRpYXRvciBzaG9wIChUaGUgUmFkaWF0b3IgRGVwb3QgLSBMYW5jYXN0ZXIsIENBKSBpcyBjaGFyZ2luZyBtZSAkODkgdG8gcm9kIGl0IG91dCBhbmQgcmVzb2xkZXIgYWxsIG9mIHRoZSBqb2ludHMgdGhhdCBzaG93IHNpZ25zIG9yIGNvcnJvc2lvbiAocmFkaWF0b3IgZXh0ZW5zaW9uLCBib3R0b20gcmFkaWF0b3IgZml0dGluZyBhbmQgZHJhaW4gcGx1ZyBib3NzKS4gSSB0aG91Z2h0IHRoYXQgdGhhdCBpcyBhIGYBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Recore vs Rodding Out TR3 Radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I have the radiator out of the TR3A. The radiator shop (The Radiator Depot - Lancaster, CA) is charging me $89 to rod it out and resolder all of the joints that show signs or corrosion (radiator extension, bottom radiator fitting and drain plug boss). I thought that that is a fair price. They wanted $380 to re-core the radiator with a new core. I beat about 12 years and 80,000 out of this radiator. I have always used distilled water with my coolant and think that that helped. Man, it is a pain to change the radiator on a TR3. My mind wanders and rambles whenever I get to doing the radiator. I am surprised that Ken Richardson allowed it to be so difficult to change out. It seems like in the flat horizontal bottom part of the nose piece that there would have been a removable panel to unbolt to allow the radiator to slide out the bottom front. ISTR a photo of a TR3 in France where the whole front end was modified to make it flip up forward to provide access to the whole front end and suspension. How many times can a radiator be rodded out? I have a spare radiator and was thinking that if you can only rod them out once then next time (80,000 miles from now...) I would already have the replacement radiator re-cored and could swap them out on the fly. If it can be rodded out a second time then I would hold off on that one. With aluminum replacement radiators, do they keep corrosion down? Are they a worthwhile upgrade to save trouble down the road? I was thinking if an aluminum radiator doesn't corrode as fast as the copper one then it may be worthwhile. Of course the radiator can plug with corrosion from the block & head as well. ISTR someone said that they use a secret FT radiator blend of 1 bottle No-Rosion, 1 bottle water wetter, 1 gallon Prestone and the rest in distilled water. Any thoughts on that? I ordered all new cooling system hoses, connecting tube & thermostats from Moss. I was surprised that they didn't have the top radiator hose for either the TR3 or TR4 in stock. WTH you guys? It's summer and getting hot. Thank goodness that I kept a spare in the trunk. If you are going to redo your cooling system then you may want to stock up ahead of time. I am always trying to keep the connecting pipe from rotting out. When I found the car 22 years ago the steel pipe was completely rotted. Then I used a brass pipe from a sink drain, but wasn't happy with it because it didn't have the right bend. Last time I was in there I used a new Moss one and painted it on the outside with Rustoleum. Inside the pipe was reasonably clear, but where the radiator hoses covered the pipe it is rusty and very pitted. Does anyone make a stainless one? Is there something that can be done to the mild steel one to make it last? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 12:49:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1AB40519 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7044403D4 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 18:45:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 18:45:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 18:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70586 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2013 18:45:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368816352; bh=WoJV+Emr7n5vN9Xza0be8+x8q+2l0ePobWXovny5l7k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hzoLfjX6+hsBDNaX93NQkpXrHSK0gSaZ/enhSbo/lkEEObAGTtmW7MNl1dJ2EXwX+yz2M0wrh/k4Kbs6iTwgZbOJoqbIYCpcndj92tRENLeIL2vwYZqDR3nscCoI44YmhCdPnDnYLRVMafCKTGFIqtQc2Yve24n8X7cRPBDyytU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fO3Uuzw7fo/IS5Qdt/ZeZHAsTtR7sCD7ixNguVPLLkVtPGa9eY4Dw6qIGgBb/tC6X1MzK+Q9A/igo+WkpdN9YlcT+xyCFftopZp1J00waMWNz7wymefL54lEQ4Y4Uns+dsPeJ+ouBENoNjkuiCuP7oJtDFO4Qwz5HrUsmQ2Pej8=; D72THOZxie49axThtSfz45OMi6b_ZQ90UgzQO1hMUsF8XX1GMoLqPiCCktb3 Bw2ZzzKWtpvZsUnh55qM2yeUykOnKe1aJs8jpvo1mL586RuFHniSUHXiKaSR Tth_a5ORdBNwwx9O1g0Nx4K7qyWi4iCku5OUxkUefEcWqD.ne5c1Yv69bCde ci1TQV6s2adEARV9o62dcmEicGQEWvDdRZctSyMyecdnUo8mC1ujiJlRYMi9 SQITjlxitAIrZtgX8vF3cBth.pcSY2lXNO1ecKsXL5_m.EzgSKKd8DNaT.Od RqffCzwMaAd4o9vn7ywniBqEbjfKLXao9d9e5kdBj3Ii6puTTk9BGaCuG.Hr RbkqQA2HIyluJsjO251QeNHbwkSiMiWv_lU2sxOTeToMGwZlQPUJYLEIXJTO Mfn7Is5DfPensPiscdP32deDPwFTdsoBrOYI7RmGxb3M4UuDRVMixKZgrk5x E6JvKmF6Pbrj_71CfuvGPMaJD15HARGwPQ.huiw3k42s- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2013 11:45:52 PDT VGhhbmtzIFJhbmRhbGwsCgrCoMKgwqDCoCBEbyB5b3UgaGF2ZSBhIGhvc2UgcGFydCBudW1iZXIgZm9yIHRoZSBHYXRlcyBob3NlPwrCoMKgwqDCoCBKdXN0IGdvdCBhIGNhbGwgZnJvbSB0aGUgcmFkaWF0b3Igc2hvcC4gUmFkaWF0b3Igd2FzIDc1JSBwbHVnZ2VkICh5ZWFoLCBJIGtub3cpIGFuZCBhZnRlciByb2RkaW5nIG91dCBpdCBsZWFrZWQgbGlrZSBhIHNpZXZlLiBIYXZpbmcgaXQgcmUtY29yZWQgd2l0aCBhIEhFIGNvcmUgbm93LgrCoMKgwqDCoCBMYXN0IHRpbWUgSSBoYWQgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBhcGEBMAEBAQE- References: <1368810350.2975.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1368816151.90453.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Fw: Recore vs Rodding Out TR3 Radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall, Do you have a hose part number for the Gates hose? Just got a call from the radiator shop. Radiator was 75% plugged (yeah, I know) and after rodding out it leaked like a sieve. Having it re-cored with a HE core now. Last time I had the engine apart (how come TR3 owners always have the "last time") the #4 cylinder was completely blocked off by rust and fouling plugs. I wonder it I should pull the head and check that out again? I'll put an IR thermometer on it next time it runs. The radiator shop recommends a cleanable inline rust & sediment filter. I doubt one would fit between the thermostat housing and radiator. Has anyone tried this? -Bill in Tehachapi ________________________________ From: Randall To: 'William Brewer' Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [TR] Recore vs Rodding Out TR3 Radiators > ISTR a photo of a TR3 in > France where the whole front end was modified to make it flip > up forward to provide access to the whole front end and suspension. There was one like that at TRfest a few years back, too. > I was > thinking if an aluminum radiator doesn't corrode as fast as > the copper one then it may be worthwhile. Of course the > radiator can plug with corrosion from the block & head as well. At least in theory, none of them should corrode, if you use the proper coolant and change it often enough. But without the corrosion inhibitors, the aluminum will corrode faster. It's thicker to begin with, though, so perhaps the result is about the same. > How many times can a radiator be rodded out? There doesn't seem to be a fixed limit, it depends on how much corrosion is present. The factory radiator in my previous TR3A was rodded out several times successfully and still not leaking when I had it recored. > I ordered all new cooling system hoses, connecting tube > & thermostats from Moss. I was surprised that they didn't > have the top radiator hose for either the TR3 or TR4 in > stock. This is just a guess, mind you, but I suspect they have recognized that there is a problem with the last batch of reproduction upper hoses (with the nice cloth covering). At least the last several that I've gotten from TRF have all failed much sooner than I think they should have. I finally switched to the Gates hose, which doesn't have the cloth but appears to be much stronger. So far, it has outlasted the last 3 hoses from TRF put together and still looks fine. So I'm guessing they are in the process of qualifying a new hose manufacturer and/or waiting for the new batch to be made. > Is there something that can be done to the > mild steel one to make it last? Keep the coolant up to date. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 13:20:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5BD403E2 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC6B40395 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 13:17:49 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=gxiSbUKRkG0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=pnu-h5sNrucA:10 a=5wYWRAOaAAAA:20 a=yS_q7esOAAAA:20 a=psT4_hBUAAAA:20 a=lnmrIUmtjfTQypsXWeEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mLz2mj10KGwA:10 a=aSbZGmshOpkA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 40/69-02984-5A186915; Fri, 17 May 2013 19:14:46 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:14:52 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5TLu7HAkOLfOfTRtmay/R7aqcC1wAATfqw Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: Recore vs Rodding Out TR3 Radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Do you have a hose part number for the Gates hose? Gates 23511 http://goo.gl/hOZTT Apparently the same thing is available as AC Delco 31401 http://goo.gl/RxRtk > I wonder it I should > pull the head and check that out again? If the block drain flows freely, then it's probably OK. It's at the very bottom of the water jacket, next to #4. I'd probably leave it be as long as the drain can be opened up with some prodding. Used to be, you could buy a strong chemical flush that came in 2 parts. There was a neutralizer to use after the flush, to stop the chemical action. I couldn't find any, last time I went looking; but there are some recipes on the Inet that might work. IIRC the flush is oxalic acid (sometimes available as "wood bleach" or "deck bleach") and the neutralizer is baking soda or maybe washing soda. The acid comes as a dry powder that must be mixed with water before adding to your cooling system. Oxalic acid is fairly potent stuff. Be sure to keep it off your paint and wear appropriate protection when handling it. Have a hose handy for instant flushing if it gets some place it shouldn't be. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 17:28:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57810403DA for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 17:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477E2403D5 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 17:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMY001JCU9PHCU1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 17 May 2013 18:22:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: , Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:22:36 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5TVWqk04pCfgURTFy1Rc9MLkzG9w== Subject: Re: [TR] Carlisle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, Wish I'd seen your note before I left this morning. I drove up to Carlisle for the day today, first time I've attended in nearly 10 years. Boy, what a let down! Very, very few vendors anymore and even the kit car group was very thin. Oh well, killed off by EBay, I guess. Gary --------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:24:12 +0000 (UTC) > From: fogbro1@comcast.net > To: triumph list > Subject: [TR] Carlisle > Message-ID: > <1257970731.127165.1368746652823.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail. comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > The Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association will be at Import Carlisle this weekend in spaces C66, C67 and C68. Stop by forB a brew. > > > > Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 12:56:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82FC4068D for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8130D4056A for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:56:00 -0600 (MDT) a=6nJa6lWrmwSEW2SELAYUzw==:17 a=cEJ96R3HWY8A:10 a=9qDI6B0ztBoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=jtxixneGtJgA:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=5wYWRAOaAAAA:20 a=yS_q7esOAAAA:20 a=psT4_hBUAAAA:20 a=lnmrIUmtjfTQypsXWeEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mLz2mj10KGwA:10 a=aSbZGmshOpkA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=6nJa6lWrmwSEW2SELAYUzw==:117 Received: from [98.154.189.99] ([98.154.189.99:1127] helo=paulal73q2sjay) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DB/AE-12729-40EC7915; Sat, 18 May 2013 18:52:52 +0000 From: "Paul Willoughby" To: References: <40.69.02984.5A186915@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:52:57 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How sturdy are the block drain valves? The one on my TR4 is clogged. I've been hesitant to remove it, fearing that it would crumble into pieces and screw up the threads. Too many bad adventures with home plumbing have left me gun shy. Paulw 64 TR4 56 TR3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" ; "'Triumphs'" <> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: Recore vs Rodding Out TR3 Radiators > Do you have a hose part number for the Gates hose? Gates 23511 http://goo.gl/hOZTT Apparently the same thing is available as AC Delco 31401 http://goo.gl/RxRtk > I wonder it I should > pull the head and check that out again? If the block drain flows freely, then it's probably OK. It's at the very bottom of the water jacket, next to #4. I'd probably leave it be as long as the drain can be opened up with some prodding. Used to be, you could buy a strong chemical flush that came in 2 parts. There was a neutralizer to use after the flush, to stop the chemical action. I couldn't find any, last time I went looking; but there are some recipes on the Inet that might work. IIRC the flush is oxalic acid (sometimes available as "wood bleach" or "deck bleach") and the neutralizer is baking soda or maybe washing soda. The acid comes as a dry powder that must be mixed with water before adding to your cooling system. Oxalic acid is fairly potent stuff. Be sure to keep it off your paint and wear appropriate protection when handling it. Have a hose handy for instant flushing if it gets some place it shouldn't be. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 15:14:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F0240E1A for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C573440687 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so3141521vbf.0 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:11:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vW4GxTuDUB8jZFF0TDIGNE3SGrVxhge9bWbLpan1t7Y=; b=sesent7IpdUZio3k+K+Jh/nX/XgTE0XohEiUTj04n7DXeTslFvytwuZfmGMgWASCI4 d4izE+4VZEkf1WPSI05V898LgnUMT7p1v8NBCikdpNPhnXlUEoqtOYLUodYOjyrBq0MJ 43h2YTTx8J+w2/BxbLSUdFoM3F6aT87IsrJSQS15sA+fwurGQgZ49MgBDa98e7khD53M zPtZ5i4dfxWvnlSo9jRkj8lZdtmj6o5cE3+ZVl363p2c8Vr4dEnieJzu/i+JouW3N9rA 0WdwTtSWVQLMghv0Vl1Aksx16wiaSTuQKYNAWAPasMVI12kLgB1vcDHtsvDqZ4UmS1w8 EpRQ== ka7mr10358097vdb.109.1368911467151; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:11:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <40.69.02984.5A186915@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <4F6A1464798D4BFBB55BC5E58F5B2EA6@paulal73q2sjay> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:11:06 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Paul Willoughby Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Paul Willoughby wrote: > How sturdy are the block drain valves? The one on my TR4 is clogged. I've > been hesitant to remove it... Paul, On my TRs the valve does not have to be removed to unclog it. It points straight out and once opened a probe can be inserted straight into the valve and on into the cavity in the block (once things are clear). I'd start with a bamboo skewer and if that doesn't get through then a stout wire. As a last resort some use a drill. OTOH, some Brit cars (e.g. Jaguars) use a drain that curves down like a little faucet -- cuter perhaps but likely requires removal to clear. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 18:23:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D75E42714 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311CC403FE for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:23:12 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=KvonDqueJGHIzwFqfYayOQ==:117 a=rLYH4uprxJwA:10 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=LTEt6BDGx5kA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HMkndeY6h1Rl9F3PRQEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ue8jr_o5HeT6COyrmsYA:9 a=NXor_2gLHvVuf6uX:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.239.224 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.239.224] ([64.121.239.224:49449] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id B1/7E-28123-E2C69915; Sun, 19 May 2013 20:19:58 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:19:58 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The block drain valve is the same as the radiator drain valve (or should be) and you can get a much better look at that one. I recall it being substantial enough that it should come out without much trouble but the usual "proceed with caution" applies. I think it is more likely that the drain lever will be stuck. It is a taper held in the body with a spring, washer and cotter pin. You may be able to tap it from underneath and free it. Removing the valve from the block provides a larger hole for the crud to come out and you can bend a stiff wire (coat hanger) to loosen the crud towards the rear of #4 cylinder. As usual, been there, done that. Allen On May 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > How sturdy are the block drain valves? The one on my TR4 is > clogged. I've > been hesitant to remove it, fearing that it would crumble into > pieces and > screw up the threads. Too many bad adventures with home plumbing > have left > me gun shy. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 18:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E54E42718 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9977D40405 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:57:02 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=rLYH4uprxJwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=LTEt6BDGx5kA:10 a=EdYhjM5zwtkc5b3sJz8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CF/96-22955-B1479915; Mon, 20 May 2013 00:53:48 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 17:53:58 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5U79brHN0Aih7wQISjTCQH+DPLowABEFwA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The block drain valve is the same as the radiator drain valve > (or should be) and you can get a much better look at that > one. Although identical otherwise, I believe they had different threads and should not be interchanged. My radiator shop more or less insists on replacing the radiator valve, so it may not be as original. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 19:46:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D7642715 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 19:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA4340405 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 19:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dzyD1l0080b6N64A11infF; Mon, 20 May 2013 01:42:47 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id e1im1l00k2xZMJ48P1imH0; Mon, 20 May 2013 01:42:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 01:42:46 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Allen Hess s=q20121106; t=1369014167; bh=qikT+ve7YJtaUGDoc+1Wg0IvGAKtTFwaPf65yaf0FNc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=rHuujWECNMvuuw0+vBeQqs0Y+2UjdnY3Qxr8dpF8nwIlJVO2YdXGr0XVz6NYrkeDO PZWyAPe+4a8oKKWnxp/MJALlxQdpJorsxpFOKZJVpPMQbAgpHq6Qt+fkdO75tF7/n5 iAoN1Se4B02VULL4tx2l4oHCY02A76boyCuuKtGaAFN54bbznLei3kE/mQFN1PNYWg fP20zP24ffKiaSfXGDstNrDPCS66gZeyu2C9K94YSZ330q+jg9DC/4l8F8z8qGRubD D78wssGyo9JZDo4J/epDv+npqnWMH1d/4tkDZ5dbvLofTzIWf+VJH4g6ZMRwzjGPaQ S62gfguj6KTOw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The drain valve is pretty sturdy and it should have a fiber washer between it and the block. So it should come loose with a quick "surprise" twist of a wrench. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hess" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:19:58 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? The block drain valve is the same as the radiator drain valve (or should be) and you can get a much better look at that one. I recall it being substantial enough that it should come out without much trouble but the usual "proceed with caution" applies. I think it is more likely that the drain lever will be stuck. It is a taper held in the body with a spring, washer and cotter pin. You may be able to tap it from underneath and free it. Removing the valve from the block provides a larger hole for the crud to come out and you can bend a stiff wire (coat hanger) to loosen the crud towards the rear of #4 cylinder. As usual, been there, done that. Allen On May 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > How sturdy are the block drain valves? The one on my TR4 is > clogged. I've > been hesitant to remove it, fearing that it would crumble into > pieces and > screw up the threads. Too many bad adventures with home plumbing > have left > me gun shy. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 20:14:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926F34272A for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 20:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A210A400AD for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 20:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id e1r21l0041GXsucAB29DLp; Mon, 20 May 2013 02:09:13 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id e29C1l00o2yr1eL8U29C4W; Mon, 20 May 2013 02:09:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 02:09:12 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Allen Hess s=q20121106; t=1369015753; bh=SMNTWDeeRAepmZtSZGZ8SGjrDBH9g9RNIobhVD8O9ME=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Nok+RDLKz53UIcs2hpxUB87LpytjM9KgIUFKm42f2Q1I9yrZKUKRaqGsZ8iNTeKBJ +Y20a6LQcK2c0K0awLJDfG3Tin5j9dM2G9OfnTO9v5htN5SVqjui+6Fwf0kCsxO81K 11OfTJNg49RpEXiH4EYFUibm5uW1SaURsICpbqHi3l71B4B5CZAWuUwL1/kDFFeUkb MY8kP92l8e+udUFh2e01qdyGvIUgYcFLdZYCzDnk4B3q1AdFWXoH+nh40ncj5lfRLl X3+KH3l3TaZyOgzf7L9daxesl0d9IGiZzSNm6ktIDH9aJRbRAyNX55ccUFTRGCK241 B5PhM8rOPVchg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, and it's brass, or should be, so it shouldn't be frozen with corrosion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: "Allen Hess" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:42:46 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? The drain valve is pretty sturdy and it should have a fiber washer between it and the block. So it should come loose with a quick "surprise" twist of a wrench. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hess" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:19:58 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/TR4 block drain valve? The block drain valve is the same as the radiator drain valve (or should be) and you can get a much better look at that one. I recall it being substantial enough that it should come out without much trouble but the usual "proceed with caution" applies. I think it is more likely that the drain lever will be stuck. It is a taper held in the body with a spring, washer and cotter pin. You may be able to tap it from underneath and free it. Removing the valve from the block provides a larger hole for the crud to come out and you can bend a stiff wire (coat hanger) to loosen the crud towards the rear of #4 cylinder. As usual, been there, done that. Allen On May 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > How sturdy are the block drain valves? The one on my TR4 is > clogged. I've > been hesitant to remove it, fearing that it would crumble into > pieces and > screw up the threads. Too many bad adventures with home plumbing > have left > me gun shy. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 20:05:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4331342944 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F9E427E0 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eR461l0021wpRvQ58RxeKJ; Tue, 21 May 2013 01:57:38 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eRxe1l00G2ymm843eRxe4U; Tue, 21 May 2013 01:57:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 01:57:38 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1369101458; bh=HpaVuT2y6zgwLNrTLBOKtzqcV3h/VaD8nM0ll8L4zu8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=AAt7tbWcG3ShBr6SjkNm+g7A40SJYJ8DWEVVKzoS3e1BgxQdRmUf/SBupvBBI5IUC j2ghWH4RtxdJwy4rYXsr5FbLugs/Yg/FH1Zk13veJ6USzTkwFvvyDwd94GqmlBFGCq Qmxj6G9mcBKICgnImgbP5v1K5gcovG8wfdAbiW0jE4oAWDq9x9HVbcACRnPdVqZZvf xwLFfUuyP6G+vsc4FHaS838oqL8NWrLxFDHgcKZCny4Nr7OHUOL97ep7TYnDvzCUVn Ze84Hb/+G4YOqzhQFUdU0dlSOBBlWLMgoXTNy5Zenkct478hB6eTxi37L95hUMp1g0 pCvKDworFVhHA== Subject: [TR] Ian Priestly Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Anyone have any experience with the overdrive offerings of Ian Priestly (New Zealand) B they'd like to share, good or bad? Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 21:06:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13189400A4 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E88400A4 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130521030158991 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:01:58 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA228967F for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (99-8-105-181.lightspeed.rcklca.sbcglobal.net [99.8.105.181]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7402F9C270 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:01:58 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] timing chain prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Do I recall correctly that you're supposed to soak a new timing chain in oil before installing it? if not, do I use assembly lube on the chain/new gears when I install them? thanks, Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 21:23:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAE942837 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A703A42879 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.54]) by hrndva-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130521031508554.QTTF19275@hrndva-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:15:08 +0000 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=U0Ycw89NKRMA:10 a=1y39ZUKUvMl-FfWMNdEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:49213] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/3C-16083-446EA915; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:13:08 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , "triumph list" References: <325376569.270581.1369101458134.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:13:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Ian Priestly Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a rebuilt Overdrive for my TR250 from New Zealand several years ago, I can't say for sure if it was Ian Priestly, but I think it was. He asked what car/transmission I had, and supplied the correct mainshaft, which I believe had to be machined to match the older transmission part with the newer J type O/D. The overdrive was all polished and new and lovely looking and has been working fine in my car for several years now. The only issue I had was the gearing was wrong for the speedo drive, but all in all given it was a bit of a leap of faith buying the thing from halfway around the world, I am happy with the deal, and love having the O/D on the car. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 21:37:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E688429A5 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7625642914 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({af05c03d-e86d-4922-90cb-b2bd72ac7e37}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130521033254371; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:32:54 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050B08964D; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (99-8-105-181.lightspeed.rcklca.sbcglobal.net [99.8.105.181]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DAEFB9C1E6; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:32:53 -0700 References: <8EFBB214-E7B8-4F0F-8342-48F4BF10CAF9@surewest.net> <519AE85F.6090004@dfn.com> To: Michael Porter , triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] timing chain prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Michael. I like the belt and suspenders approach! g On May 20, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > On 5/20/2013 9:01 PM, Greg wrote: >> List, >> >> Do I recall correctly that you're supposed to soak a new timing chain in oil >> before installing it? if not, do I use assembly lube on the chain/new gears >> when I install them? >> >> > > More lubrication, rather than less, is never wrong. All roller chains depend upon splash, and it does take a little time for engine oil to work its way into the spaces between the pins and the rollers. > > Do both! :) > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 08:46:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A5540425 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60EE40411 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id q2so171278ggc.13 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=9c6Zt6Jy06XQuCAqi7oIvRj/qBYIAXSTXGol56ivZr8=; b=quzrXMJN6rX5ajcFElbmTKbuEz3QCw1p0a2NkwIrhrI6jp2nZa1bJDNwW0o0yds/Fv kNcLavHaDdmBypGuMwwvejSjsv7LrH4mbH3GbB02x7nZLYv6s8RyH1ALzbsaW+9OumPA XsQKm431VpvSVR46KSiEAL2XZtZRl6oFkASk0rsoDpp4Ht6+iQXjQ+KOmIIJ06upuMr1 keVEysXurFNsIW3923qsRRMa25lJdTASHKaLW8wXlK89+o7nRPH5o736Wg7i74eI6WH9 n6Gy8yw9p39ae7/LHt+XAW6uV69OeOeyQIbMqXTH6rOKzOfg3c/nuif6WdYB702X5sW6 QtWA== q8mr2007861yhj.72.1369147397748; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g70sm4461236yhm.7.2013.05.21.07.43.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 07:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:43:14 -0400 To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] pulley belt 1960 TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I managed to lose the water pump/alternator belt on my 60 TR3A this morning (installed 5 years ago). When I go down to my friendly neighborhood auto parts store, what size should I purchase?? Thanks John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 09:24:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE73B40568 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9FA4032C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:24:24 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=14UEwOVnq00A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=1JUq-oeZGj0A:10 a=TuJJO9NnAAAA:8 a=BM7fL55nU_YM-LCkCswA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=csLACF9RuJUA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 98/22-02984-CD09B915; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:21:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Wise'" , "'Triumph Mail List'" Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:21:00 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5WMZhdbgxGdHbOSJC49bCsZFOyGAABDnVg Subject: Re: [TR] pulley belt 1960 TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I managed to lose the water pump/alternator belt on my 60 > TR3A this morning (installed 5 years ago). > > When I go down to my friendly neighborhood auto parts store, > what size should I purchase?? What belt did you use for the alternator conversion? When I had an alternator on my TR3A, I had to run a slightly longer belt than stock due to the larger alternator. A Gates TR28386 will fit the stock generator setup; but the odds of finding one on the shelf at a generic store aren't very good. I'd call around first. I found one NAPA store about 30 miles away that had one on the shelf about 10 years ago, but it was really dusty and they said they wouldn't stock it any more. Now I just mail order through Rockauto.com, and keep a spare belt wrapped in a Ziploc bag (along with a set of radiator hoses) in the spare tire. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 15:30:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C4D40443 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94444032A for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d23-16-25-27.bchsia.telus.net ([23.16.25.27] helo=[192.168.1.70]) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ueu57-000O0K-6D; Tue, 21 May 2013 21:26:53 +0000 http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:26:48 -0700 From: Allan Reich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: fogbro1@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ian Priestley Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I ordered a J-Type overdrive unit for my 1975 TR6. He shipped it quickly, and it was installed by a club member who has dealt with him extensively. We had a question about a piece transferred from the old shaft to the new one, and he was back to us via email within an hour. All worked. He also provided a shifter from a Triumph 2000, with the switch in the top. It has been working well for over a year. Allan Reich Vancouver, Canada 1975 TR6 - CF30255U (+O) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 19:48:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560254043E for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 19:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B374040F for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 19:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id epj01l00F53lu5001pj03y; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:43:01 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 20:31:01 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR sidescreen book Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for the bill piggott book on sidescreen cars; I see two versions. this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR2-3-and-3A-in-Detail-by-Bill-Piggott-Hardba ck-2008-/281110238595?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item417379d583 with the red TR on the front, and this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR2-3-3A-in-Detail-Bill-Piggott-Automotive-Ne w-/190835832533?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item2c6eb3b6d5 they have the same isbnbs and appear to be identical in every way. anyone know why/whatbs the difference? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 20:47:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC39542729 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08734042C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:45:42 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=sfAxDl7gFJ8A:10 a=JwLOROqmAAAA:20 a=UT3OJFJTAAAA:20 a=7PmSH1arAAAA:20 a=Lq-8cqBQAAAA:20 a=vab2CXzxN7HtPb31lM4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WjdNu9FZPF0A:10 a=ywCSaKNaOaIA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C8/03-02984-9803C915; Wed, 22 May 2013 02:42:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave'" , Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:42:18 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5Wjf54VVJSrn57RByWQrsN4MMDsQABolog Subject: Re: [TR] TR sidescreen book Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am looking for the bill piggott book on sidescreen cars; I see two > versions. I'm not absolutely certain, but it appears that the one with the black car might have been a second printing. I have one, and it doesn't say anything about 2nd printing; but the print date is given as 2008, while at least one reference with the red car gives the print date in 2007. I'm guessing the books are identical except for the dust cover. However, Bill has written a lot of books about these cars. If you are looking the _THE_ Bill Piggott book, you want either http://goo.gl/6OMSi Or http://goo.gl/lau4J In spite of the name, the "In Detail" book is primarily a history, while the "Original TR" series covers much more detail about the cars themselves. 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My can is good but it looks like King Kong removed it with vise grips. Bill B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 21:13:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F0742732 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 21:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F884043A for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 21:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 03:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.118] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 03:09:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 03:09:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 78660 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2013 03:09:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369192168; bh=iNiWVD9EHVfEDNhi8XJSdkjtUIOYbqmYz1jGWi+Lfyg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rKNjy1Na0lql401iKfbZ7p8GdswLIuAURma7SNYKRWamhxYRp3WO8wI8nqAyxDs1WRhrMu4B7+OVI3MPiJa9dU29QyEnd2KCj8cckc59Wb9L7iZO5frt96Z5YnQcgKGC0y/7nRIrdd/z+MaewPCDwZ8x86/j3c8aNW8g9Ir3KHg= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lp9xO7u/8nEodW7mro4wn9qtKHfFxlgH966P/ro9xPmFWfxZ5hza9ZPH/FLqW2qtjRXvHcelCwQgLboHOpAUxB9eY7h0px5xSR4OZg2Nv7ZjQpu+CZMwBCNrpbhDvDmGZ2Ph3q6mqwfAcq1LnG7XK8YSZuXcuq5PcWijSuH/dbE=; m6lPD8HQyjN5c2w8Y5McvMCgElXbr6IOjGDPscLO6m7IEDSQoBGWyPTkLue8 jgMjl9uZmFYe92rCDPLg9kcLb.oWrNaCrdplnDcwRk4wnvmjdgm_DdwKwS5W LF3ZUCoJgqHAv4Bkicmg.21ItOK_rWDH_4qtwqcjlWi1DQwGqicRwGHGiJEm JrHsXmwJcBt9QK8e76zesj9yAzuxUzVem1TY0H2WoHMyIaNbowjFPemAfqWb KbIt9fJqiNlK0_lwD5qRYE_O6TD99TYY1MjXsYenuupSxPjXdDreo74rwsZg mEWOL5SKuPheXblhFDVU4NMuMBb2oJM4qzBBjPGY5udck0uQ3X5aYs0qvdkJ uDJN88kT_OQiFEDMQGZkhBWpU85RvLcRLWpunvk7OIGOzUBtwWT8rpxDtBka WHeQz.9wQIAWVehuVqxKxC0bBbHzjKDsl7PwaMU_kSndYNo5T.otj41LsfNc AMdWMJxrIwBAL Received: from [107.195.28.149] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:09:28 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBqdXN0IGNoZWNrZWQgbXkgY2FyIGFuZCBteSBhbHRlcm5hdG9yIGtpdCBjYW1lIHdpdGggYSBHYXRlcyBUUjI0Mzc5IGJlbHQuIEkgYm91Z2h0IGEgcmVwbGFjZW1lbnQgb2ZmIG9mIEFtYXpvbiBmb3IgJDE0LjkyIGFuZCBhYm91dCAkNiBzaGlwcGluZy4KCsKgwqDCoMKgIEJpbGwgQnJld2VyCsKgwqDCoMKgIFRlaGFjaGFwaSwgQ0EKCgpGcm9tOiBKb2huIFdpc2UgPHRyM2EuNjBAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogVHJpdW1waCBNYWlsIExpc3QgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PgpTdWIBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 20:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: "tr3a.60@gmail.com" , Triumphs Subject: [TR] pulley belt 1960 TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just checked my car and my alternator kit came with a Gates TR24379 belt. I bought a replacement off of Amazon for $14.92 and about $6 shipping. Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA From: John Wise To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] pulley belt 1960 TR3A I managed to lose the water pump/alternator belt on my 60 TR3A this morning (installed 5 years ago). When I go down to my friendly neighborhood auto parts store, what size should I purchase?? Thanks John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 22:50:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655454051F for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 22:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433A64043A for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 22:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id id13so1022698vcb.9 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=AtHRNARFp2hgdAMXUZtcmS5tZETbRstBK32xlfIed/Y=; b=jURicaODsQhK5pyAHM0plX7Fc5baWnymZDievNb3f+4ayIfQCUdpYhNIGbOrqP3qZS tk8gdzcISZLx5Rl7arhdJR1gbOj6YPnZJmQP9PIZ+yI/wTxhp5FfdOCzyAC2TydOP4/u jbMMXliuG7dzEuhUNSTZOe2BCJ0o0tijOcMut6JDUbo1huhdlJW0ipO+qHu334LLO8Ff yEFt12bf6nXhyGGejr/p2rTUzjdcxu+4QeGL78vDMh2y3BvpQ+tkiyiDBbSdC598MEm8 uk8QxtxESacbKzZ5ekKPGNA8FxUJ58crZM1SbI8qxC/dab1M5maJvYnFMLGxtRKBLjJS 3ulQ== bd7mt2814046vcb.12.1369198024323; Tue, 21 May 2013 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <1369192168.70554.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 21:47:04 -0700 From: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] pulley belt 1960 TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I just checked my car and my alternator kit came with a Gates TR24379 > belt. I bought a replacement off of Amazon for $14.92 and about $6 > shipping. > That is what I'm using (on a generator) but note that it is 3/4" wide whereas the belt mentioned by Randall is 7/8". I have always been able to get TR24379 (I like that number) at NAPA or O'Rielly's though in the latter case I think I had to phone and picked it up later in the day. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 18:45:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A8142716 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B3C40402 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j6so3570817oag.4 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:40:10 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=NEzBYXgl852hAqdmON8RQ5/amlyU56a8VMyHe/wcVRk=; b=olVdcClilrLdJ4BAwhwViueisWx2u5x9ypJMbhYBczM7vwZzwngZfT4ykUFr/J2cfF sT9iB78xeuIRpXfPsaJ1L2iUfsTaMCjbIzD2gcC3IhmrA1SLcEAxVTB2C8h5dCnLvptn xZIOJQK0hbuO9Yq1PMWP1sjo0z924cMUx9SYFG+wxIV3bMMkq6rgia5qK/blqxIMImH3 COwJFExB8vCdJw7t0WFa1BRxWCeLezt+Y8YUaNaK9xh/LVVsAUzm9p6ZSFcXbnxCd5AT dF0aIXcnKVVRdA6RdtQZ9dbU9ssczEl9a96HsGilAQGGNrsj+0FDdhdUBpLqkoC3WXVQ Cevw== p11mr6637101oem.10.1369269610160; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm10145309obw.4.2013.05.22.17.40.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 May 2013 17:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:40:13 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5XTa8ObTxJI+ZNQR6rErPpE5U4JQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I saw this stuff used on a UK Whealer Dealers car show where they fixed up a TR6. Supposed to last forever, eliminate corrosion, and reduce overheating issues if you flush out all water per instructions. Anyone used this stuff on a TR? There is a product from Evans on Amazon. Just curious before venturing down this path. Sounds very interesting. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 18:59:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D5342763 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDF940402 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W117 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 May 2013 17:55:50 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:55:49 -0400 FILETIME=[44C47910:01CE5750] Subject: [TR] Convex Mirrors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have two of the 4-1/2 bullet style rear view mirrors that I want to have the flat mirrors replaced with convex mirrors. I am not a fan of the stick-ons I have found. It has been mentioned to me that a glass/mirror shop can do this. I have went to those in my area and they say no go. Anybody actually had this done? Thanks, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 20:02:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF5942756 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EF0403BB for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-60-196.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.60.196]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MN8009SQAM0M050@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:54:06 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-22_09:2013-05-22,2013-05-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305220309 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:54:00 -0700 References: <002a01ce574e$174f9480$45eebd80$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 22, 2013, at 5:40 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > reduce overheating issues I don't believe they actually say this (and I wouldn't believe it if they did). What they do say, and is believable, is that it won't boil over (since the boiling point is 170 C/388 F). You would probably have other issues before your coolant got that hot. Now given that steam isn't a great coolant, I suppose it might help above the temp that your traditional could would boil. -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 20:25:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674934276E for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15888403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:25:16 -0600 (MDT) a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:17 a=0H_z5hHcZyIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Q3sim7VJhKEA:10 a=13oF_hBYHlUNwBS3WLYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=B9N4kXVrcDzZ03I82hMA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:117 Received: from [76.89.87.204] ([76.89.87.204:64285] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 25/5E-11869-A3D7D915; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:21:47 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:21:46 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5XXEYm6Hh/olNpQtuUZqli2u+H0A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Bad Engine Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I've been battling a bad engine oil leak on a TR4A for some time. The undercarriage gets wet from the engine to the differential. After running for 1/2 hr the back of the engine leaves a puddle of, maybe about 1/4 cup worth, besides the half dozen others spots that occur underneath. The oil is now coming out of mostly the rear seal after plugging everything else. I had to remove the dipstick and plug the opening with felt because that would push oil out. The distributor pedestal bubbles out little bits where the tach cable attaches. The valve cover cap has oil coming out of the relief hole. A few years ago it was small stuff. Now it's embarrassing. I believe it's internal pressure doing it. The PVC valve is new (as was it's predecessor). The valve cover doesn't leak. No leaks from the front engine mounting plate or the sump. I've had the engine out 3X and . 1. Changed the rear seal to the Marx seal. 1st time I tore it by the flywheel bolts, 2nd time verified it's intact as evidenced through the 3rd timed pulled. 2. Changed the piston rings. They're Deves, with openings rotated on thirds. 3. Redone the epoxy for the rear cam plug. Checked it on the third time pulled. Perfect. 4. Checked all the rear oil galleys and they are clear, including those going through the rear crank bearing housing. So I decided this afternoon to do the compression and leak down tests. Compression as follows on a hot engine dry/wet (2 squirts) 1= 175/185 2 = 175/185 3 = 175/185 4 = 165/185 My leak down test consistent of using a Harbor Fright leak down tester, again on a hot engine. I used a stethoscope to check for sounds. Every cylinder was consistent in % of leakage. The only difference was that #1 had more air was leaking through the valve cover cap, but the % was similar to the others. Checked the carb openings, they sounded consistent. Checked the dip stick. Sounded consistent. No leaks in the radiator. Maybe it's the HF Tester? The head has not had any work done to it in 15 years, I'm feeling it could it be the culprit? How do I tell? Thanks! Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 21:06:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C30B4054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB93403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:06:26 -0600 (MDT) a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:17 a=0H_z5hHcZyIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=FPyh_PYwdYwA:10 a=A3rirydP9JfoVJOouJwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=YPESIkD2aCVpAQ8w:21 a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:117 Received: from [76.89.87.204] ([76.89.87.204:65413] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A0/16-22955-0E68D915; Thu, 23 May 2013 03:02:57 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Irv Korey'" , References: <000c01ce575c$46bc5b00$d4351100$@rr.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:02:56 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5XXPgE5vURR0AoSGW8otqsGaaGEAAAsAiw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Engine Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Irv, Something's wrong here, and I don't believe that venting to a catch tank is the proper thing to do. The real issue in my mind is, what's changed? and how do I validate it? My first thought was that the PVC value wasn't working properly, but I got a new diaphragm from Moss, and then a whole new PCV value, and neither was it. The leak has been progressively getting worse. I'm now thinking the valve guides are leaking. Johnnie '67 TR4A Your crankcase is pressurized and doesn't have enough venting to relieve the pressure. As a result, the pressure is pushing out the oil. On my TR4, I had a vent line from the rocker cover as well as a large (1") vent hose coming from where the mechanical fuel pump was. Ran both of those to my catch tank, and that did the trick. HTH, Irv Korey On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: Listers, I've been battling a bad engine oil leak on a TR4A for some time. The undercarriage gets wet from the engine to the differential. After running for 1/2 hr the back of the engine leaves a puddle of, maybe about 1/4 cup worth, besides the half dozen others spots that occur underneath. The oil is now coming out of mostly the rear seal after plugging everything else. I had to remove the dipstick and plug the opening with felt because that would push oil out. The distributor pedestal bubbles out little bits where the tach cable attaches. The valve cover cap has oil coming out of the relief hole. A few years ago it was small stuff. Now it's embarrassing. I believe it's internal pressure doing it. The PVC valve is new (as was it's predecessor). The valve cover doesn't leak. No leaks from the front engine mounting plate or the sump. I've had the engine out 3X and . 1. Changed the rear seal to the Marx seal. 1st time I tore it by the flywheel bolts, 2nd time verified it's intact as evidenced through the 3rd timed pulled. 2. Changed the piston rings. They're Deves, with openings rotated on thirds. 3. Redone the epoxy for the rear cam plug. Checked it on the third time pulled. Perfect. 4. Checked all the rear oil galleys and they are clear, including those going through the rear crank bearing housing. So I decided this afternoon to do the compression and leak down tests. Compression as follows on a hot engine dry/wet (2 squirts) 1= 175/185 2 = 175/185 3 = 175/185 4 = 165/185 My leak down test consistent of using a Harbor Fright leak down tester, again on a hot engine. I used a stethoscope to check for sounds. Every cylinder was consistent in % of leakage. The only difference was that #1 had more air was leaking through the valve cover cap, but the % was similar to the others. Checked the carb openings, they sounded consistent. Checked the dip stick. Sounded consistent. No leaks in the radiator. Maybe it's the HF Tester? The head has not had any work done to it in 15 years, I'm feeling it could it be the culprit? How do I tell? Thanks! Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 21:48:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D82342770 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07774400AD for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id i3so44497vbh.3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ut0cO3iamr/Cl7JBWROdZjomSgAZBzK5UMIQcAWJhLo=; b=bZUWAfenvntm2U7BBDsAUDvURHD/kAtVeMa3CP0Ojj50WMnkpmR4iITZ+k/BKc8BO3 rqAHAEeQOATT0zT6pwsaS/iITvbqg3+9VSr8VIxHz4/Hz2ApQU9MMR+RHqtfhtfEwvH3 c+CCtVFb0BaZIrHhJxOnPzPf1hcV/s6Mf5HfMdHpNPbhC+nSEmXsFs89AuLExVfpCyTa ToPdnZAL0g0UE2YByxQkAejo7eA8FDBTscm21g2+M6d2hylm5VOjB7rDStM2mDUQ+NQ7 9TzcP+QDcR4IViifRE9YOaLuM4VQno4cXwTmsPzSQDKnR82rR2+9e3SG/P+eLg+qW+Vz Vx2w== m20mr4036009vck.46.1369280345503; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <000c01ce575c$46bc5b00$d4351100$@rr.com> <000301ce5762$0708ecc0$151ac640$@rr.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:39:05 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "John & Pat Donnelly" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Engine Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > Something's wrong here, and I don't believe that venting to a catch tank is > the proper thing to do. The real issue in my mind is, what's changed? and > how do I validate it? > My TR4 wasn't quite that bad but was oozing oil from every possible pore. In the end I added a TR3 crankcase breather to relieve the pressure and that greatly reduced leakage. The crankcase ventilation provision on a TR4 is (I think) even more constricted than the PVC on a 4A so the breather seem a prudent relief for what was (IMO) an inadequate design. As for the 'why' of your problem -- are you sure the rings got seated? I'll ask (cause I do not really know) would rings that hadn't seated reliably show up as low compression? Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 21:49:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38487403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12E240396 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fFlf1l00N53lu5001FlgLa; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:45:41 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:45:39 -0500 Subject: [TR] valve cover cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my valve cover cap (late tr3b) has nothing in it! received it this way. have just got the car running, so I figure I should fill it with something. steel wool? coarse? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 21:53:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498C742770 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA18403BC for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gd11so1804626vcb.25 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:50:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=he8aJRbNtG5mHQoRoNCu9A8+x/RTv4TBk30x31YyBLY=; b=YNFTvuXrOb8inxV2jdDLXB7tm5QiRV9qIccoXPjEptN0MqCv1v0Z+dJs9GivIVyb5O +v6GdHSgtPsufv0BOBQv7/fcFCvWltd1uXRLTo3L2JBMB9Wd/6Rx7wH5YAILTlMnRnwy 1T+n3A5NWPwjOmCQPNDan2zKCR/EwGq/c9pgQjkNL6toJcjVYhFsIx7zuW38Rp53yPE+ Kg68kb2rGTd0VMRowHeqynVdzxMGSKR9bdZYaMMKXTNJccklZqSNSxwY2rt0OqN4aKON BsorreSG7zHmDHMidDB1JhdLr3ckcS/GpBWelc74HpojMJoE68kfm21fVJ6AeBLKdD6j n9Cg== Wed, 22 May 2013 20:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:50:12 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:50:12 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] valve cover cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Could be tough to stuff anything in through those little holes -- I wonder how someone got the insides out? I'd be inclined to go with coarse bronze wool if anything but sourcing a decent used one might be a simpler solution. Geo On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Dave wrote: > my valve cover cap (late tr3b) has nothing in it! received it this way. > have > just got the car running, so I figure I should fill it with something. > steel > wool? coarse? > > thanks! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 06:26:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E586F403F5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:26:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BC4403F1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ed20so3154355lab.37 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:17:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=8IKtxkF6nv8aAGy7+V/ffdV06u0FrRUviu7MOLWRn7Y=; b=rc2smtNNmteLyf2lNhPkR2EMwBCp7qpxLEkP1EMZZ1bFJlsF3itf2avT/UPlTOSdI2 LF5FQzt2ZqiVwDICTMnNE6Jc3MqrNC54nRLtQdZdaKdhBfSPqt91otZ8DoX+ygOa6zzA qWuYh8dZb0Y5bVj5gE0aM65L2SkuIikGfadQ2AsZEGRAwNXbbVIBp+L/XF7gQZNpoiwt /HKJDCUBv+Rd661Abi68BF7B75ORj5Vb9HzN9tcX5R0NGvlO14iVh9/djK4zb8KLSftI YAzmTdG850QATXnGAmZbmNabM1EhXhs0gDWoYyNH/NoEQv1ARLdzYCa+rhwJclhFjEal 2jPA== zf5mr6292158lbb.59.1369311462625; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:17:22 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:17:22 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Convex Mirrors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I might try something like this - if you can find convex mirrors the right size (we wouldn't be having this conversation) or larger - you could mask the center and take the mirrors to a stained glass shop (or class) and see if they will grind down the edge of the mirrors to fit. Chris On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I have two of the 4-1/2 bullet style rear view mirrors that I want to have > the > flat mirrors replaced with convex mirrors. I am not a fan of the stick-ons > I > have found. It has been mentioned to me that a glass/mirror shop can do > this. > I have went to those in my area and they say no go. Anybody actually had > this > done? > > Thanks, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 06:56:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E14C427C6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com (mail-pd0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDAA4279C for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 6so2505902pdd.34 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:48:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kK3VCnzcFiz1jU/LdWggZ8MjdvhrZEDO2PVVVBdKX1I=; b=Sx5K0UkNQnujrFJ06rEr4dHO4JGMFVedMOuAyFu+MqcROuyK9ynZLNgO34qxNomP8Y S1adnWWRkiENMwTO3POb1I3PH2LrP9DEyzAGnsVeNaflP0KMqCkDg0SxzNbbF4MoilJb galh2UKciPFNsJQZfzxQC81/fDTLg/T+ug/tmNOvqdcpKbCc4D2s7uiPWxazFtAOKGQF bm2rrZYAmUhdjSIdkL/tpKYDTTZ7n4vZCPahtYbaX6+Z3XjjliKnZ1fhWzkJDSfw4hYV LbrIlUxtfyX81+d4tu31zWmHT0ILzjs3xrLidUWVoHxU2+NNV3PBLWBT/d9d93RvdsQc +Icg== ix5mr12834659pbb.142.1369313316620; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.1 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:48:36 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Aluminum battery retaining bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Over the years I've seen Triumphs with nice aluminum battery retaining bars. I've been searching for a while now and can't seem to find a source for one. Anyone know where I can find one that will fit a TR4? Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:00:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5850740544 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC74403F6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p58so2115791wes.35 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:57:00 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YAOuxv5rxvfXcu14la+z42PninaZ1ja0ckes66VYQNg=; b=J7vFHwoCYaJjFltYtEYHvVfv1wrISzqfPwgKGsGFiiagyRpiPHI6lu61NdOzp9d2bt r9sb6l9dK6oTS4FRg7IzaqQpVm7D5edjzgRDzFHhWRU9U93RprVxPh+eGVNHLiXjKwZA 96g9fGESxSpKROZBHMzwfl7elGPlIQH+GCjHOv5p2TdJeC2JUwcoxg6kOd5Ugd03wLOl q9RMcoXHyPR+ArA6WmG9YLU8m/JSxhQm7vZNOCy0K4hnJ6wZQp3pA1YG0jfY5gziN2dZ gI2W4wmDwBlEttXn74ciWyBIzv1IEsH/nZFQVkVNtLB9e+9JaEj8sGNnavP4kNGSinBE GEew== dz10mr36556450wib.2.1369313820445; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.63.140 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:57:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:57:00 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Brad Kahler , TRiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum battery retaining bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Over the years I've seen Triumphs with nice aluminum battery retaining > bars. I've been searching for a while now and can't seem to find a source > for one. > > Anyone know where I can find one that will fit a TR4? > Herman van den Akker makes those. http://www.hvdaconversions.com/accessories.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:02:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F8A4051D for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E3403F6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bg2so2947146pad.39 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:58:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4tqD6luRx3H5zQhzFEb8OSARa70Kq91rpuzY97lW+M0=; b=pIhfmHHGc6okZxA9Rcm8+VkMi0Ho9ELau5gSSVwcCpJuPVwx0jJL6Mq9rbjaruOdwa nkpEOkQgHXrXBKviYz7sksBgneYpHbbSG5Fm4/IqZLFU5iVpmYdQqRKdka9r2SrrxCue dUdjcpKjBrI3pI8fxpLY50SS0xBEVauCDzEvDizeVB9c+Wg6zQcOscDWaeK7azGKo402 DxoJeZGweeRqW9DDP6Ks/LqBg6iW+x3O7jdql5ZvUnsntfuD/kOhW2anj9bvGCHub4jN Xj00XPTZgxPVNX+B0ZwtHeX2Vm2dt6Fg6AdBtluSXScrZozkC+RVTi3CLYyx3WPz8Of6 upkw== fe6mr12951649pad.195.1369313908910; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.1 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 05:58:28 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:58:28 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Irv Korey Cc: TRiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum battery retaining bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Irv. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Irv Korey wrote: > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> Over the years I've seen Triumphs with nice aluminum battery retaining >> bars. I've been searching for a while now and can't seem to find a source >> for one. >> >> Anyone know where I can find one that will fit a TR4? >> > > Herman van den Akker makes those. > > http://www.hvdaconversions.com/accessories.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:51:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CB040533 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C893403F7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:50:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ee20so3269151lab.28 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=fCcU3+UgTlDd25lFJcsytLd7bB4gp0sL8jezCSHl2A0=; 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Thu, 23 May 2013 07:49:53 PDT SGVybWFuIFZhbiBkZW4gQWtrZXIKwqAKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5odmRhY29udmVyc2lvbnMuY29tL3Byb2R1Y3RzLmh0bWwKwqAKwqAKaGltIG9mIFRveW90YSBjb252ZXJzaW9uIGtpdHMKwqAKRnJhbmsKCkZyb206IEJyYWQgS2FobGVyIDxia2FobGVyMUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBUcml1bXBocyA8VHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgTWF5IDIzLCAyMDEzIDU6NDggQU0KU3ViamVjdDogW1RSXSBBbHVtaW51bSBiYXR0ZXJ5IHJldGFpbmluZyBiYXIKCgpPdmVyIHRoZSB5ZWEBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Brad Kahler , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum battery retaining bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Herman Van den Akker http://www.hvdaconversions.com/products.html him of Toyota conversion kits Frank From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: [TR] Aluminum battery retaining bar Over the years I've seen Triumphs with nice aluminum battery retaining bars. I've been searching for a while now and can't seem to find a source for one. Anyone know where I can find one that will fit a TR4? Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:00:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6421240560 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E076C40525 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id fSvu1l00M53lu5001Svuzg; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:55:55 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:55:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] valve cover cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I now realize he drilled a hole in it! sheez. what a dpo! From: Geo Hahn Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:50 PM To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] valve cover cap Could be tough to stuff anything in through those little holes -- I wonder how someone got the insides out? I'd be inclined to go with coarse bronze wool if anything but sourcing a decent used one might be a simpler solution. Geo On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Dave wrote: my valve cover cap (late tr3b) has nothing in it! received it this way. have just got the car running, so I figure I should fill it with something. steel wool? coarse? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:13:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0020C40528 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F18403EF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 15:06:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.53] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 15:06:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 15:06:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369321585; bh=RGgyKkzxrMWkeZ5ZR9RVVOkbo8TVw4KTxbB3p/CeS3w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=3NXlmVIiHf+Orh2zqPbwq5w7MXBRYi6Uo9H3IjSzwprpSpoU/JI6ehYbG32zojNqEZdIzJ3PMHbGGzYeiKZPAg0IBmkZ0ihOEcS+8WzAk6zmQCCSi2JQw+MsC3NqjLpb3NPhEJqImYYLAAllG0J4NiA+oXuFiJ+iuJK30NTNw/U= F6iFvkuevYeGGSYNtO._qIbgOBWOuGR4X.nXYMR.wfL_3kfNiXdHywm35FCm c9q6hMhFsknsanpFhCk7hsgZokFGhJXMZPOzLpIKV9tkJ_d1fuE2emb6_EMx wnlZVngX2O4ItGCfQ5Jlyui.4RUlwW_TrS04B14njIMzpU0eMRJrC81WaTAj 1bHT8JQzNUsOWt1MuQxRiYsInLLacTYJ7UqpOAGxuS_w4MWnLCgU5cA_NXpR jRSLp1Lg4M7h.WhmAxRivGoEms_eXi005u_NeTzL9munVKPHNZNf6Fym1.In 3NMVEgpMirbKBFfOK5SNKehue4wGb8nEzxJDCMhedeNFU5zas5mBVNJ0DHmH B4XviUvgGhnAhreXdNqg_aRAgk8TC9xZZCwISkMhDCRhOxpx7iam3pNaQ8.e SP4s9450PJGNvdhauok0_4HbOEv09MWIl9lyhfX58YReY_5YwvBMzLqFtu4s 95920SqPU5ljdISGHgz8FDA_q9tdMRiZGwGGzSOuLlFlzEohQMnOLK6er447 9zUA84J2ZN5ecDAZqR5aeS5bSUvI7kEeszCAuvg-- smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 08:06:25 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave'" , References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:06:19 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5XaBAuwG9psbvOTyyyL47e7cgyqwAWPtqQ Subject: Re: [TR] valve cover cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net <.... received it this way.> Just checked my TCF2549L and the oil cap has the material up in it just like the new one I bought for my '58. Of course, no way of telling when these were replaced by POs. Personally, before I started shoving any mettalic mesh material that may in time break down and get into the motor I would spring for a new one, or there is a fairly nice looking used one on eBay currently at $20(NFI). Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" Will Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] valve cover cap my valve cover cap (late tr3b) has nothing in it! received it this way. have just got the car running, so I figure I should fill it with something. steel wool? coarse? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 11:25:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87061403F5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2580B40359 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fNqw1l0020xGWP858VM1gp; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:21:01 +0000 Received: from sz0135.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fVM01l0182xV5no3YVM0rr; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:21:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:21:00 +0000 (UTC) From: spamiam@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1369329661; bh=bHusiaCuUUpAGVc7qbsZEeOUgH4Ef0ngjAqU1zJ2Oj0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=heUPYpvMOpaj583QdGBw1CpfD+dGsyVBDv/Ds93QHEiG6um3SHyLx+F2T+YrFqyor FDbTlWkPUU2o9v02wdXzHGtEqgV5N1Osk/ToYYI7cGxE9HGY+P/ixy1EuWJfaqNQss /H4q41UGBJZl+kRoY09eXvLkfve6DUW85NTcFBcBbq705buHN9aboZMLLoFYdYeSKe tN0rBLP6wK+vHbi1Yjbj+F0veaCEq5fl49ZMmoFSclQSqHzBzEUAAk3M3/mMLmUiaq a3AT2pnp2QDLu9d3nDm8kVSeyH2yu5L7Dd/IxRINuTU8On0t6VC9WDsRNXpOgQ2IPj 5M2KcY8dBncTQ== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 176 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Johnnie, I don't think it has anything to do with the head. Leaky valve guides and valve problems would cause pressure noted the outside of the engine, not to the inside. Intake valve guides which leak would suck in some oil from the top of the head and cause smoke up the exhaust, but would not pressurize the crankcase. Your description of the problem would appear to be excessive pressure in the crankcase. This would be caused by in adequate PCV ventilation, or excessive blow-by of the pistons overcoming the capability of normal PCV ventilation. I cannot come up with any other mechanism that would pressurize the crankcase . I do not know how to be sure about piston blow-by, especially if it is occurring on all pistons equally. Others here would be able to answer this question better than I. If the problem isB effective PCV ventilation then the most expedient solution is to revert back to the earlier road draft tube ventilation design. To protect the environment you might use a catch tank but another solution is to use a longer vertical length on the road draft tube so that less oil remains suspended in the air as it exits the road draft tube. On a Spitfire engine that had unbelievable blow-by, I could feel pulses of air exiting the oil filler hole when the cap was removed. Do you notice anything similar? -Tony ----- Original Message ----- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:02:56 -0700 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" < pdonnel1@san.rr.com > To: "'Irv Korey'" < emanteno@comcast.net >, < triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Engine Oil Leak Hi Irv, Something's wrong here, and I don't believe that venting to a catch tank is the proper thing to do. The real issue in my mind is, what's changed? and how do I validate it? My first thought was that the PVC value wasn't working properly, but I got a new diaphragm from Moss, and then a whole new PCV value, and neither was it. The leak has been progressively getting worse. I'm now thinking the valve guides are leaking. B Johnnie '67 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 16:39:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E124009A for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1ED40066 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (65-128-130-13.mpls.qwest.net [65.128.130.13]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r4NMZSLM020482 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:35:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:35:34 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Oil pressure in my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Help. Just bought a '73 TR6 after selling the TR3 I owned for thirty years. Everything looked good about this car, but I soon became concerned with the oil pressure reading. At idle, running 20-50 oil, all heated up, the pressure dropped to what looked like about 10 lbs or less on the gauge. At highway speed it read about 40. I dropped the pan and used Plastigauge to check clearance in the mains. I checked the back three and all where in the 2 thousandth range, which I assume is good, can't find a spec for that. All bearings had oil. I didn't do the front one because I didn't have a new timing chain gasket, but assumed three are good the other is probably OK. I checked one rod bearing and it was well within spec. The rocker train appears to be lubed its full lenght. Pulled the oil pump and found it to be just over the high end of the various specs. Put in a new one, checking clearances before installation. Pulled the oil relief valve and found that the previous owner had replaced the standard spring with the slightly longer one sold by Moss. I put it all back together. Now I have about 6o lbs at highway speed, but only about 12 at idle. I checked the gauge by hooking up an after market gauge in the oil pressure warning sender hole. The gauges read about the same across the whole range of rpm So, can I get by with this? Do I need to look further, if so, where? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 17:11:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C7A427C8 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AD94276E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:03:50 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=nliINF2nbMUA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=HZZATD4K2dwA:10 a=xH1O4sP-Jh2WimMMur4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:57375] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 37/5D-22955-08F9E915; Thu, 23 May 2013 23:00:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 19:00:19 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Joe DeMuth References: Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pressure in my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, Make sure you check the thrust washer clearance. It is a known week link for the 6 engine. If it is not in spec, replace with upgraded washers. What oil/weight are you using? Make sure you use a ZDDP oil such as Brad Penn. I use 20/50 BP racing oil in all 3 of my TRs. All run about 75 to 80 PSI at highway speeds and about 35 to 40 at idle depending on how hot it is outside. Bob On 05/23/2013 06:35 PM, Joe DeMuth wrote: > Help. Just bought a '73 TR6 after selling the TR3 I owned for thirty years. > Everything looked good about this car, but I soon became concerned with the > oil pressure reading. At idle, running 20-50 oil, all heated up, the pressure > dropped to what looked like about 10 lbs or less on the gauge. At highway > speed it read about 40. I dropped the pan and used Plastigauge to check > clearance in the mains. I checked the back three and all where in the 2 > thousandth range, which I assume is good, can't find a spec for that. All > bearings had oil. I didn't do the front one because I didn't have a new timing > chain gasket, but assumed three are good the other is probably OK. I checked > one rod bearing and it was well within spec. The rocker train appears to be > lubed its full lenght. Pulled the oil pump and found it to be just over the > high end of the various specs. Put in a new one, checking clearances before > installation. Pulled the oil relief valve and found that the previous owner > had replaced the standard spring with the slightly longer one sold by Moss. > > I put it all back together. Now I have about 6o lbs at highway speed, but only > about 12 at idle. I checked the gauge by hooking up an after market gauge in > the oil pressure warning sender hole. The gauges read about the same across > the whole range of rpm > > So, can I get by with this? Do I need to look further, if so, where? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 18:00:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357FE42777 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFD642763 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:59:39 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=rq/lDJAml/MQWdXUiXZDXLfqeNxDBWpnf2raZubzcWNcrl50k2h0hDJz1b33yNyU; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-0c93ujd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.250.109] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UffMc-0005f1-5u for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:56:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:55:46 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Emissions Control Valve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Is there a test to make sure the emission control valve is working correctly? What does it do if it isn't? I have an 1980 Spitfire, but with dual SUs. So the ECV is like ones from earlier cars that can be disassembled with the rubber diaphragm, metal plate and spring. Thanks, Roger Elliott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 18:31:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF89427C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB3040C01 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 11so2647394vbe.5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:28:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=k7TwbX5YH2WxsQ0fJ26d9asx8W7j72jJsDN47zsN64Q=; b=sVo7E/MCXam5eFtQuPUDkIudQLmCMtuqzRcn944BOviVc6Mtn2B5nZPSewuJuQW2M2 v2tOsltxOLh2ubFGUISa4Vkxt81VSpEXd9IP9JyoK8m5hz13i9ksiZ9CA3NosSXIltAc SDbrLuGvksUujKeYimsglK/PWwUPCgV2LfL6LUTWGhm1MsxOuvQik1z1A9n5oH5JSEVo 6Tt9O5Fbia/MqfVoKnxxhl2I6+p3l0bg3IJnz6pAw+Ic9aXr3Lcl8E2GFcc5zgGUq87y otdYkmpUBG4f9qizYMGJWslHlIkcHRnW2iJsqlhYWAcZd23fT5h/t/fqtehAzqr3rlSz p53A== c11mr5949356vdj.69.1369355284597; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:28:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <1875361600.2449655.1369329660952.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:28:04 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: spamiam@comcast.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 176 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM, wrote: > To protect the environment you might use a catch tank but > another solution is to use a longer vertical length on the road draft tube > so > that less oil remains suspended in the air as it exits the road draft tube. Adding the road draft sounds good but I would be wary of changing its design by making it, in effect, longer. I recall hearing a tale of a junior engineer modifying the road draft tube on one of the factory cars (I think he was trying to clear some sort of undershield that had been installed). At speed the longer tube neatly sucked the oil out of the crankcase. The engine, presumably, was toast. The engineer, presumably, found a job selling shoes at Harrods. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 19:18:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568D440450 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D3B403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fd1x1l00217UAYkABdEqN8; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:14:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fdEo1l00x3NmwNy8ZdEpxA; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:14:50 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:14:48 -0700 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1369358090; bh=aaj76B415xY+E4NApN/0eYBg4Yy/xe15FvoCclUSjZA=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=IkFlBV+22pSrzfXmgKIElTjpS+B660i0dltIAfo3PvdFOiYNz+CqYzyDQ6hgthvG+ o5J+9Y8ZpwZVFBCeFYKHhdjwO/h9rsq6LzuXkEqrS5UaIK7eqMPMA9tl9qPS5cB9B7 0RR7ynkmCRqevkzFXs1TQ5g66joYpSMXk+uvEPAKd8DBFnAsxFThVBNe0MRbfjw8Wv Umf1pAoMYbMH/2xQ9Y/cdxJwF6kgtsAKgzGyauWNtMiIyRbKUCJZTpg1zpDTIVbKbz Na5DaFP2VxlBHsuUIkvTeHdRVsq2+rpyHOhnT/DIskZHRbORGiqGMPpBRq7aMct/nW 13lGbsDGD9WGg== Subject: [TR] Hydraulic Reservoir Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Some one on the list needed an TR3/3A Reservoir Cap b& I have one, just send me the address. No Charge "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 19:42:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB72940562 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A67403FA for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fcbx1l0050xGWP856deytv; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:38:58 +0000 Received: from I7Quad ([71.192.208.10]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fdey1l00E0E03aX3YdeyuF; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:38:58 +0000 From: To: "Geo Hahn" References: <1875361600.2449655.1369329660952.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:39:39 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1369359538; bh=OuDUmmJ9KV/A9crz8GV1tU+LKW/3akxgGljzozCqy/A=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ALZ67CCvC7ZzNxEDgkXDgQ/Kfy0ijGRSUg2uvCf4GMTtCzSQ2W9VQU02kzNTV6qTd XSGHdHrhYcRTD0ZMsZcJJhV2sqafZqRoF3miIaiplYEsUWZnVW/s2NK1Okb5Klozhv nnjPxfvX9vdVDDk1cyIFYGI/CVj3/8NBBzV9+bQjPRG21G2Rqm+4H+N7QDmp3+QpSy 5mVdmCMevXetd52MuVIKbVSZhoifBlwm0FfUozMXZe8RW3L4Ag1affawB7VuKQo35H +D7LyJ26OCABDpTWmOaqwEsjJ9K+B1DpuoF8LnLgycs/47qv1JVmSS92k8ZFvAoSk8 iDuv8xu+kyL4Q== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] crank case ventilation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm, it would be hard to suck all the oil out because the road draft tube does not go into the oil sump. I sullose that if it were made with no upward travel before turning 180 degrees to go downward, then it would be easier for oil to spill out on a hard right hand turn. I was not clear, I recommended a longer UPWARD travel before the hairpin turn. That should make it less likely to have oil spill out., but a normal road draft tube would be quite adequate too! -Tony From: Geo Hahn Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:28 PM To: spamiam@comcast.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 176 On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM, wrote: To protect the environment you might use a catch tank but another solution is to use a longer vertical length on the road draft tube so that less oil remains suspended in the air as it exits the road draft tube. Adding the road draft sounds good but I would be wary of changing its design by making it, in effect, longer. I recall hearing a tale of a junior engineer modifying the road draft tube on one of the factory cars (I think he was trying to clear some sort of undershield that had been installed). At speed the longer tube neatly sucked the oil out of the crankcase. The engine, presumably, was toast. The engineer, presumably, found a job selling shoes at Harrods. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 20:43:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F0F40550 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB31403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D41087003FE41 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.17]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AB0E7E000089 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:37:11 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d166.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 23 May 2013 22:37:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 22:37:11 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369363031; bh=v0LmEY69vs52WP4IpZV2U5j9GpCzx+lyeslO/wZKzE0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SqupH2oa8H8pmYGvTbReNbz9prP3lQV8UFIO3WTEVbE9YGIE79K8orJJGhNUqOfwT kxPeCRTQ23IwH0qbBgk37EkeAFyOHkvb5OUuBOtMLiNUOR8hltQogsHFv1BvBSDQ3u Er+tU/dd4zxH7ap5XXGdik4MpHYyGbOCDaTfNmyg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c519ed2572f30 Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pressure in my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That sounds a little low but no terminally so. You may have excess clearances in the oil pump and a fresh pump may improve things significantly. Camshaft clearances also help determine oil pressure but that is a bit more work to address. Keep in mind that the TR6 does typically run lower pressure than the old TRactor motor typically does so don't expect to see those pressures on an engine with a lot of miles. And if that kind of oil pressure scares you stay away from a TR8. Those things run in the single digits at warm idle. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Joe DeMuth Help. Just bought a '73 TR6 after selling the TR3 I owned for thirty years. Everything looked good about this car, but I soon became concerned with the oil pressure reading. At idle, running 20-50 oil, all heated up, the pressure dropped to what looked like about 10 lbs or less on the gauge. At highway speed it read about 40. I dropped the pan and used Plastigauge to check clearance in the mains. I checked the back three and all where in the 2 thousandth range, which I assume is good, can't find a spec for that. All bearings had oil. I didn't do the front one because I didn't have a new timing chain gasket, but assumed three are good the other is probably OK. I checked one rod bearing and it was well within spec. The rocker train appears to be lubed its full lenght. Pulled the oil pump and found it to be just over the high end of the various specs. Put in a new one, checking clearances before installation. Pulled the oil relief valve and found that the previous owner had replaced the standard spring with the slightly longer one sold by Moss. I put it all back together. Now I have about 6o lbs at highway speed, but only about 12 at idle. I checked the gauge by hooking up an after market gauge in the oil pressure warning sender hole. The gauges read about the same across the whole range of rpm So, can I get by with this? Do I need to look further, if so, where? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 06:34:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5880B4068D for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCA440554 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZZATD4K2dwA:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=klmodJpIAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3AZdHuqi9kk4CkPpBuoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=Vurw1NbuH7MA:10 a=x4sruY/Yx9YPmbwx6u3qtg==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.173] ([10.128.132.173:55402] helo=hrndva-web22-z02) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9B/31-13811-14D5F915; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:29:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:29:53 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Massey Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pressure in my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with what Dave said. While the numbers are lower than you will see for a fresh motor, or even a well worn one in good nick, I have driven many motors many miles with similar numbers and nothing has blown up. There is an old adage about 10 psi per 1000 rpm being adequate. In addition to a new oil pump a new rocker shaft and or new rod bearing can bolster up the pressure short of a pull the engine rebuild. Greg Lemon ---- Dave Massey wrote: > That sounds a little low but no terminally so. You may have excess > clearances in the oil pump and a fresh pump may improve things significantly. > Camshaft clearances also help determine oil pressure but that is a bit more > work to address. > > Keep in mind that the TR6 does typically run lower pressure than the old > TRactor motor typically does so don't expect to see those pressures on an > engine with a lot of miles. > > And if that kind of oil pressure scares you stay away from a TR8. Those > things run in the single digits at warm idle. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe DeMuth > > > Help. Just bought a '73 TR6 after selling the TR3 I owned for thirty years. > Everything looked good about this car, but I soon became concerned with the > oil pressure reading. At idle, running 20-50 oil, all heated up, the pressure > dropped to what looked like about 10 lbs or less on the gauge. At highway > speed it read about 40. I dropped the pan and used Plastigauge to check > clearance in the mains. I checked the back three and all where in the 2 > thousandth range, which I assume is good, can't find a spec for that. All > bearings had oil. I didn't do the front one because I didn't have a new > timing > chain gasket, but assumed three are good the other is probably OK. I checked > one rod bearing and it was well within spec. The rocker train appears to be > lubed its full lenght. Pulled the oil pump and found it to be just over the > high end of the various specs. Put in a new one, checking clearances before > installation. Pulled the oil relief valve and found that the previous owner > had replaced the standard spring with the slightly longer one sold by Moss. > > I put it all back together. Now I have about 6o lbs at highway speed, but > only > about 12 at idle. I checked the gauge by hooking up an after market gauge in > the oil pressure warning sender hole. The gauges read about the same across > the whole range of rpm > > So, can I get by with this? Do I need to look further, if so, where? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 06:42:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1546E4068D for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B289140554 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZZATD4K2dwA:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=klmodJpIAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=31qv8nr4AAAA:8 a=3AZdHuqi9kk4CkPpBuoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E6k37eg1NvgA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=Vurw1NbuH7MA:10 a=x4sruY/Yx9YPmbwx6u3qtg==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.173] ([10.128.132.173:55431] helo=hrndva-web22-z02) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 8B/46-16083-BAD5F915; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:31:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 7:31:39 -0500 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Massey Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pressure in my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with what Dave said. While the numbers are lower than you will see for a fresh motor, or even a well worn one in good nick, I have driven many motors many miles with similar numbers and nothing has blown up. There is an old adage about 10 psi per 1000 rpm being adequate. In addition to a new oil pump a new rocker shaft and or new rod bearing can bolster up the pressure short of a pull the engine rebuild. Greg Lemon ---- Dave Massey wrote: > That sounds a little low but no terminally so. You may have excess > clearances in the oil pump and a fresh pump may improve things significantly. > Camshaft clearances also help determine oil pressure but that is a bit more > work to address. > > Keep in mind that the TR6 does typically run lower pressure than the old > TRactor motor typically does so don't expect to see those pressures on an > engine with a lot of miles. > > And if that kind of oil pressure scares you stay away from a TR8. Those > things run in the single digits at warm idle. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe DeMuth > > > Help. Just bought a '73 TR6 after selling the TR3 I owned for thirty years. > Everything looked good about this car, but I soon became concerned with the > oil pressure reading. At idle, running 20-50 oil, all heated up, the pressure > dropped to what looked like about 10 lbs or less on the gauge. At highway > speed it read about 40. I dropped the pan and used Plastigauge to check > clearance in the mains. I checked the back three and all where in the 2 > thousandth range, which I assume is good, can't find a spec for that. All > bearings had oil. I didn't do the front one because I didn't have a new > timing > chain gasket, but assumed three are good the other is probably OK. I checked > one rod bearing and it was well within spec. The rocker train appears to be > lubed its full lenght. Pulled the oil pump and found it to be just over the > high end of the various specs. Put in a new one, checking clearances before > installation. Pulled the oil relief valve and found that the previous owner > had replaced the standard spring with the slightly longer one sold by Moss. > > I put it all back together. Now I have about 6o lbs at highway speed, but > only > about 12 at idle. I checked the gauge by hooking up an after market gauge in > the oil pressure warning sender hole. The gauges read about the same across > the whole range of rpm > > So, can I get by with this? Do I need to look further, if so, where? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:18:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF8C4053F for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBF4403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fqkH1l0020mlR8UAAsCtA4; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:12:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fsCs1l0063NmwNy8XsCsjq; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:12:52 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:12:51 -0700 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1369411973; bh=hK6QuZlLez/TKYkvbZsDCbx71XTrz4CChNEhcddCrDg=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=A1oUvB2Oee/xNAmSi4ydj41VApMzDULfaWVQhmcpOGagdl4lXpNM/F6HAWQ8KlYte JYl73Qh+rGGtgolmuEmDHPfYyI2+nnWwOs73ijT1o9+qdPygdf+rHW0sIY/ntog4Vs PqYveeNNFn9hHJTVk3wO8ZB+/2rbbs4KK084zlrRLaBXmlldPpd3/cjQLWpHu6zpoW 33sy94DvGYogazgGm7YQk/ZeeVZvCDM2onPaOD7HkiywInPZDP3bOciQ+PpnueuuDZ 67Ft1TQMkhvCR6xF/89Y5gqKMjTxyqhiJEeciDXFy6wU/6PHz1VidhoNaGMPXv5rTe 9FoVthSbcN2Pw== Subject: [TR] HELP !!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a published sequence on how to replace the hydraulic lines from the reservoir to the master cylinders? The brake one is easy, but the clutch one reminds me of those "bent nail" puzzles b& I am very frustrated. Thanks for you time "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:34:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E204B40551 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E7E7403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.160] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 16:21:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369412513; bh=9WCnRtI/tChtlGQ3DOQw2w2jie8W/BoZZa+K/KGMTsM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=aegL1SxEt4IiwQL+JHoZNyxjuG7V30+8G3go/ohasZrVXjGEIB7tPxcUbZzaO4yYEgZwj9x6v6+0QEaq22tXoE7ph3I0zAl+ihZNPRdPdtbULXVtqv+EWoDBS+dr+XyyHNFvyyXFqDx1TCDAJCLuenmCiTzJ8/W4xxY0FCfVqAk= Oe_IqmxlFc8gKkYRH.UmqRMD32iQbPLb4lUGjuqSX6JjVtOdLO.l1i8huUYz P4klFnRgTItui2JpZorXt5PGkzGxcmp6OnCrVGaGZanAVssKbkyyBuyISqvL 5FzQN4GNyLmgElH6Vv0kEAy0DgQisyT.W3R4Z..9GNFJ59wsD1Rm0KInIRrG h7BVSUprt7piSKgBu7lbvXG0AGz_Fp4zmp.lrdAbxS5L9xfi14dVfykHP6m1 AxyaVlYMrZXgZ8YQnwubS.e12jTte7puM5jdg.0oul5toIjmFzqAtj4KOgFA nx9VvD.xhNKCcT.vXcmlZX7Ek7MgOrHUXAJzl3hHeyNGjHUzp37hOm27fe_M ggEfcuPwgJWQlXF5a9j0NB2onS4y_qPi6b0GglLjJoVccKMENov5SX9ZSoof OtNBgE13ijjJyjn2WtBj1lKOfBF_s0U9zoKMjkAqJTBHIJcrYgUGvRJ6U..F rPCHsGNN0F78bxvcwrsFUvLGHR5V0LBwm smtp217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 09:21:53 -0700 PDT References: <48C2BEAF-E993-4069-AA1A-EDAEFAF52A78@comcast.net> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:21:48 -0500 To: William Pugh Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] HELP !!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't know if anything is published but I put the lines on the MC first then attach them to the can. It's just easier to wiggle that can around than trying to align the pipes to the threads of the MC. Bill B Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 11:12 AM, William Pugh wrote: > Is there a published sequence on how to replace the hydraulic lines from the > reservoir to the master cylinders? The brake one is easy, but the clutch one > reminds me of those "bent nail" puzzles b& I am very frustrated. > > Thanks for you time > > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:36:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1A340522 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1AD403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hr11so3251704vcb.5 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ukq70j4hEEyLJfPdbia4wk5MyMD6Im3zupelivBKn/o=; b=f0yiUROT98i+MHFYoJ7cTFzbqHXOWXdNOaomc3wUSv8IY/pqlXJ8HPaJBiaxebeNVK 5oeiUFOsbeMlaKbjza5ujlF6pyYbMfDqcprdLdUgKg/N0xczbQIom5Zf3Ps6XW3bJrXj 2NAwnlcASWUpW0za3V1q0JeK5SazzpYlosmddGQuIjW5oCQScmDYV1SwfsXx3pne9BQg MnQX8LIUUKFMntK0rzYeBozV/33vVPkcPeq3DZyNxbxk5xwxt1geWT/UUlhNMq7BkiEv HonWVPdAZKbQlsRIJOJkcTWBBnKphLujDJzXKx4c7fDZZKMKb3LG3CPYYgD+07LI6IBW mx3w== bd7mr8961490vcb.12.1369412888667; Fri, 24 May 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <48C2BEAF-E993-4069-AA1A-EDAEFAF52A78@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:28:08 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Pugh Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] HELP !!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill -- Here's a couple of photos to eye while you're waiting for the puzzle solution: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR3/GirlingReservoir.jpg http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR3/Girling_zpsa2c1c6f8.jpg I cannot guarantee that is correct, just that it works. Geo On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:12 AM, William Pugh wrote: > Is there a published sequence on how to replace the hydraulic lines from > the > reservoir to the master cylinders? The brake one is easy, but the clutch > one > reminds me of those "bent nail" puzzles b& I am very frustrated. > > Thanks for you time > > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p ; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:55:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858240531 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from moose.dimebank.com (moose.dimebank.com [108.68.51.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8FB403B2 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.dimebank.com [127.0.0.1]) by moose.dimebank.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4OGpCoX012965 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 09:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:51:14 -0700 From: Chris Kantarjiev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pressure in my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Those pressures seem totally reasonable; my target is usually 10PSI/1000rpm. Too high an oil pressure is just robbing power from the engine. One thing you didn't look at, and is not an uncommon problem, is a worn rocker shaft; check the underside for wear. You can lose a lot of oil pressure there. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 11:05:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D044E403FB for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from relay12.bu.edu (relay12.bu.edu [128.197.27.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F294B403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BUSDM801RL ([155.41.214.102]) by relay12.bu.edu (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4OGtIwI002656 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:55:18 -0400 From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:55:18 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5Yn3gzukUumju8RZKLsTg8Bnh2/A== Subject: [TR] low oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '73 TR6, bought after my '71 was wrecked. That car had 95K on the engine (and on the clutch, which was starting to slip). It's oil pressure was pretty low at idle but never a problem for the engine. It was that guy pulling out in front of me and then stopping that did it in. My '73 has had a farmer's refresh done to it and still has somewhat low oil pressure but I'm not concerned. I still wish I had my 1958 TR-3 though. Sigh Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of triumphs-request@autox.team.net Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:35:34 -0500 From: Joe DeMuth Help. Just bought a '73 TR6 after selling the TR3 I owned for thirty years. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:10:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCD440555 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACCE40067 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fpEA1l00D1eYJf8A6u6ZWy; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:06:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fu6Y1l0093NmwNy01u6YFY; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:06:32 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:06:32 -0700 References: <2F0953B9-DD63-4A04-8D6C-D12B21101C34@flash.net> To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1369418793; bh=IJIWZVW7YmVgXHZf8gpqmwMDefa5nWrZLJ+6xNuB1TQ=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To:Message-Id: Mime-Version; b=KAUU9SvrLP6r57HCouG4cQVWwDL2fkVGa0nltSZWk6l1jUEprTEJ9IzCeHxRvse68 k+C3GwjbxhWM29gI0up5PPOFw2Nf/v4wb2Yo74WcXe/mgDJILLEeFd7/JhPZOVXzoW ZeREx1LEV8PiO6nuFDEPIDAf8AHlD+iljOiaST4qeDx19HC5/pG8D35CQK/y7KmUvS 7jTNMQ33h8bdvmEB1AM4rjdzOPbkbwt5GUwUwm5P2TyRYogQIM0YRENA2nGzt3aXfN ba4r0ym1BaIh8Xg8OcnNJZgZNDljEanpMTJcn+RuVKtLq6Gcy0EgagOIdLdnnleFkx imPHJUSFJMxsQ== Subject: [TR] AHA! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This AHA moment brought to you courtesy of Triumphs Only. There is an access plate behind the master cylinders, four sheet metal screws and the back is open so you can get to everything, Job Done ! Begin forwarded message: > From: WBEECH > Subject: Re: [TR] HELP !!!! > Date: May 24, 2013 9:21:48 AM PDT > To: William Pugh > Cc: TR3/6 > > Don't know if anything is published but I put the lines on the MC first then attach them to the can. It's just easier to wiggle that can around than trying to align the pipes to the threads of the MC. > > Bill B > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2013, at 11:12 AM, William Pugh wrote: > >> Is there a published sequence on how to replace the hydraulic lines from the >> reservoir to the master cylinders? The brake one is easy, but the clutch one >> reminds me of those "bent nail" puzzles b& I am very frustrated. >> "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:52:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADC640534 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18596403F5 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz11so1890096pad.30 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:26 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=crL3BoOkZf5Y3AIYDWKSfl7W9T5v4ieeMwKiTh1QKcE=; b=kjwHt8BIV+g/KOgmXfC3+LAQ/fqfI7bLzrtVDunTYe6NaC34rwvOJXyiaNwNE2bHRP 7TubGKrOW0+szTWz4X3v4Q8PFTH6u3B6mqDcAiLF97LOV0s/u8CGuHP6n+7saqypkW9y gScPdWPfesYKGkO9vakp4gybILc+VnYmuox91/CfmOV65nlxvgLOFrklYrd8rKUl3Y2a Banh9BEL7u0BfTm4riOtZjZzkZ43EIg4hTkrPCTQ3jvZzW3sP60vpEKagh1wcoFH1FPT BZFeWr52UMwlcmOTciYzAYpmVrYxfq1hf5tHeOpkYWR0ZnZasHu2n0oS0bX7jduKDSo4 vSjg== uj8mr19651615pab.34.1369421005975; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l4sm17187547pbo.6.2013.05.24.11.43.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:22 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <2F0953B9-DD63-4A04-8D6C-D12B21101C34@flash.net> <954BDD81-5CA2-4B8A-97CC-2C3358896E25@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] AHA! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/24/13 11:06 AM, William Pugh wrote: > This AHA moment brought to you courtesy of Triumphs Only. There is an access > plate behind the master cylinders, four sheet metal screws and the back is > open so you can get to everything, Job Done ! Does Triumphs Only still exist? I thought it went out of business years ago when it was put up for sale. TeriAnn Who just assumed that everyone with a TR2-3B knew about the access plate. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:53:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7428040447 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D4D4032A for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.98.129]) by p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fuq51l0072nVhmm01uq6fA; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:50:12 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:50:01 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Yroe4h7fxL7qwT1iKPCRUwwjJBg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 stanchions and plates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: How are you expected to hold the stanchion plates in place for the later (non-dzus) windshields? The dzus plates have three holes for securing screws to the body, but the later ones have just two for the large bolts which go through the stanchions. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 13:08:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D721D403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E12403A5 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ipfn0LCgiyYLx9NAUKwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:40754] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 2B/92-11869-CD8BF915; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:00:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:00:44 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] AHA! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does Triumphs Only still exist? Yup. Seems no one was willing to meet his price, and he wasn't willing to sell for less. Reminds me of a Tony Hillerman character. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 13:24:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ACE4054D for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ADFE403A0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.200] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 19:17:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369423044; bh=siIwHh3XsSmos/7I6RWzosQu1QDEcljJLQ48vilgwfI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=gcusbElC6GxIRcxNd7IrX3H/ZPH+5DSNDM63mbE3zWMGOJYAgT2iH9qdP+TChXrMP2Ry04/N57qQYpN+y7vqY+s3LVwsiR9GvhqlwP66XRgjXH9cUW7ydgsskiUFVC6YzoLmUwFNwyFpMNNmJ6V2BU8V61Apmh7aq0dnPrvQxHs= S7UyoJ8mGMSNUhSNlkU72Si_hStIegksFb4r2FD4n_ZJJLe_Y353b4HNqfGQ Twly2qjG0BFrZU_v5K8g8eABIcqn1C2BXN2CmVKYHfPBTE75QsjMffD2Adtt mUdN4qq7Yttk3KcVVLaoA62eWt2i7wrTEb8qOxLDWnnnC5WRctsJXwaYPTBZ bPOdyFGnFZtZOCr4eIBa7NruKeRrZ5m76n2bao52Y8OkmmBisfXk.ab0quho Nh.NYJIPIelpzUsNqKb1wi_R1Z35MUAoSF3xKrTowN_8Pxtx2lsi.NIe0xwf TNyMdXf7F10MDFk6w5VKfrMDroezD930xPiNzLvRkmWH1f_a9py32QY9VZUJ xQQ8vBDFbW5HAE3Zm2xQjPe2qmYjZv0bo2l1MXL.9BHOCKheQ2VUSdxgPCVg o.f6VcTBlE.EPC1E3pW0hx1mCd6Xo4MQa7kkkUrp65f_1wfWxi1.5qXzvwbA tnxgyfYcMxLexxqTUg.zaGFiMiFIKdTBR smtp209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 12:17:24 -0700 PDT References: <005d01ce58af$866e74f0$934b5ed0$@uprichard.net> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:16:37 -0500 To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 stanchions and plates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't have any plates for TCF2549, stanchions bolt directly to the body. I imagine this was the brainchild of some Coventry cost-cutter. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 1:50 PM, "Andrew Uprichard" wrote: > List: > > > > How are you expected to hold the stanchion plates in place for the later > (non-dzus) windshields? The dzus plates have three holes for securing > screws to the body, but the later ones have just two for the large bolts > which go through the stanchions. Any help appreciated. Thanks! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 13:39:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9847240539 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF31403B1 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id id13so3440266vcb.9 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:28:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=81FPpqyeGT0Q87c/jTVP35WCyEAKcDqphcWI3iBeSlc=; b=dvDFox1rPWrzGy9IetXhrbnPExL1hqfVnuGCIYg915YLWTHahjfSwGablYYPrj4qF5 qEYVWpDjGzt2k1da08frIoOKxBOmcnUS6vKCXNRpBrS9Gpwa4UTXCQe+swMCJ8oQBBY2 FwzVCSVkTrwbGoPzFP+7+EY5uMJ478+GxQWuyVm1cJlY2zTZBkS4Q2yUJcKaibeyW/eP 9ZXcEbqLtNNCpbtOxd5EXOkp0aGZKu396N2Gr0pAdz0VgNFFtnFwHPpysQRScA2IqH1u gyR5kidzVz8V8qRughNIm+6m/Qyqie9CPlHQSQwDXzwTCiBNRI8Ztqagx70lGT/LibWR WLpg== bd7mr9434051vcb.12.1369423692285; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.79 with HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:28:12 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Double Celebration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a reminder that tomorrow is the start of British Car Week . It is also Towel Day . Our local club celebrates the former with a 'Phantom Car Show' -- 2 hours, lots of British cars, in a vacant parking lot in mid-town Tucson. I will celebrate the latter by knowing where my towel is -- where it always is, alongside the driver's seat of the TR. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 14:09:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6B540416 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8637403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fvyX1l00T53lu5001vyXlf; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:58:32 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <2F0953B9-DD63-4A04-8D6C-D12B21101C34@flash.net><954BDD81-5CA2-4B8A-97CC-2C3358896E25@comcast.net> <519FB4CA.1020200@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:55:14 -0500 Subject: [TR] another dpo moment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net does anyone have an access plate that goes behind the master cylinder? it was apparently removed in my car so that - are you ready - the dpo could run a windshield washer fluid tube through that hole so I have a big hole with a small tube . . . ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 14:43:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5846403FB for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515A403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fuvB1l0021zF43QA4wfZ5W; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:39:33 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fwfY1l00Y2xZMJ48kwfYZq; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:39:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 20:39:32 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Geo Hahn s=q20121106; t=1369427973; bh=cQD9AudkxPi5NSANyeUQZUMfGEbLjsrwyg8YTvPuI6g=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KcX5S7lA69ZcBOVklsfLmMMZc8uEZJX/CogJXic9UbJRJu3UBX+Ck5PI5fmK7pzYu 9v10yacRcKGst1roc3TZytL1JypM/7qR5r/fP4m4Al/LoxQV6drRMCMHbH2F8MFQTW vZYAiiFfNfgQAr2RI5qeUDQVOXuqpVsRWGDbsOoFbQsTYznHMLCSZmA2yqs2eFP3hZ nJp1hb6AXVJnf6KmZVoYMn7Lx/SjY04d9Sjw8EEKQhBAIYea1/oJSPQs4lfaAshHXm 7DU0WNIS7H+NWXSSnVxTgh1p00BTrfkbznlyscZztQxk+cAvbGRUDT1oJWWaQDswYs i9nQWXxm7oa/g== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Double Celebration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I will celebrate the latter by knowing where my towel is -- where it > always > is, alongside the driver's seat of the TR. Sam ting. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 16:13:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42831403F5 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5F2403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ro12so4706216pbb.27 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZKE+ZFVO0qKblifZVyl6sL90AyTQPegmwXtTPASqqOo=; b=jPUPuM1B/NFg7POXBX1g9ZyWk2iE0Y6W6Hub/Cvy7A94XpmxZb+R3YGnMKT49An0Ng FxddMx9pwlkOqGltq3Pfqd5N3qySgEo3kG7PmF6uiNO0LY2vob+ngOrArDizW3uHjJPh Fh+FUJ7RHBJ0xkXf3HeH5RLVOe0uOKPaqZ272dj3ctLbmgJL4pqpG4USzIms3XK8iA95 GviV8WqisBI45J65r4Eaa6DDGU7FrE6u/fwNDCl618prU2q/sgXP+5tEEPPQJhSluM9H onqzu9OfpdCQfxQxzG9WlvWb/oAD3Olua28HYaNHaPvFtXcOE0oAn6HAZf0J7jQNED8u Tzpg== Fri, 24 May 2013 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l4sm17717214pbo.6.2013.05.24.15.00.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 May 2013 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:00:48 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <2F0953B9-DD63-4A04-8D6C-D12B21101C34@flash.net><954BDD81-5CA2-4B8A-97CC-2C3358896E25@comcast.net> <519FB4CA.1020200@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] another dpo moment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/24/13 12:55 PM, Dave wrote: > does anyone have an access plate that goes behind the master cylinder? It is a flat sheet metal rectangle with a hole drilled at each corner. Put a sheet of paper over the flat section around the hole. Outline the flat section with something that writes. Mark where each of the four holes are and you have your template for making a plate. Aluminum works. ALMOST FORGOT TO MENTION, PUT THE PAPER ON THE INSIDE SURFACE AND NOT THE ENGINE BAY SIDE. > > it was apparently removed in my car so that - are you ready - the dpo > could run a windshield washer fluid tube through that hole http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm Tube goes through hole # 3. It is routed along the bulkhead just in front of the battery. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 18:47:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C8E4032A for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBB7403FE for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 18:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS15 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 May 2013 17:43:28 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:43:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5Y4NaTHf7qP9HBQuS8hBsORvMNBQ== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[DF414B80:01CE58E0] Subject: [TR] Front Camber Adjustment - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After a long layup, I finally got my TR3 on the road again and noticed that the passenger side wheel has about 1/2" of positive camber - which is about 3/4" the wrong way. I don't see any adjustment to make. Any ideas what happened? We did have the transmission out several times during the layup - is it possible that the engine may have bent the suspension tower at some point if was unsupported at the rear? No rust to speak of (at all) so I don't think its anything like that, and all of the suspension bushings are new. I got no movement on the wheel with the front end jacked up. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 20:40:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11897403FB for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66B9403E0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.96.239]) by p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id g2R71l00C59t2Xa012R8tF; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:25:09 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , References: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 22:25:09 -0400 Thread-Index: AQEfR65OFCCgmDolTDaVG0KZ/LeuJZpzTcsA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Front Camber Adjustment - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is no adjustment for camber. Did you replace the ball joints? Some aftermarket ball joints have the hole for the pin in the wrong position: if you do not tighten the whole way, you will end up with camber. Apart from this, you either had a major accident without knowing or the car has always been like this. I cannot see the suspension tower moving without some serious trauma - and the cross member would probably reflect that. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:43 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Front Camber Adjustment - TR3 After a long layup, I finally got my TR3 on the road again and noticed that the passenger side wheel has about 1/2" of positive camber - which is about 3/4" the wrong way. I don't see any adjustment to make. Any ideas what happened? We did have the transmission out several times during the layup - is it possible that the engine may have bent the suspension tower at some point if was unsupported at the rear? No rust to speak of (at all) so I don't think its anything like that, and all of the suspension bushings are new. I got no movement on the wheel with the front end jacked up. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 22:37:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8468A403EF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 22:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B0D403A5 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 22:37:30 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=qckrvoEOcycA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=41V7t9UNGc4A:10 a=eyJF19HuWK-IkmoFqb4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D2/39-11869-E2F30A15; Sat, 25 May 2013 04:33:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 21:33:58 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5Y4NaTHf7qP9HBQuS8hBsORvMNBQAHuqpQ Subject: Re: [TR] Front Camber Adjustment - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > After a long layup, I finally got my TR3 on the road again > and noticed that the passenger side wheel has about 1/2" of > positive camber - which is about 3/4" the wrong way. Er, no, TR3s are designed with positive camber. The spec is 2 degrees (positive) "static laden", which is just about 1/2" measured across the width of the wheel. Sounds like your real problem is lack of camber on the driver's side. Next step might be to inspect the brace between the spring towers, as without the brace the towers can definitely sag towards the center of the car, decreasing the camber. In fact, it's an old racer's trick to make up a brace that is a little bit shorter than stock, in order to get more negative camber while running in a class that doesn't allow changes to suspension geometry. Also look carefully at the upper A-arms, as they frequently crack and break near the ball joint. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 08:05:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D4940542 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4314042D for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY402-EAS76 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 25 May 2013 06:55:43 -0700 References: From: Jonas Payne Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 06:55:44 -0700 To: Randall FILETIME=[8C9B9CE0:01CE594F] Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Front Camber Adjustment - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have my cambers messed up (again) camber is negative on pass side positive on drivers Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 9:33 PM, "Randall" wrote: >> After a long layup, I finally got my TR3 on the road again >> and noticed that the passenger side wheel has about 1/2" of >> positive camber - which is about 3/4" the wrong way. > > Er, no, TR3s are designed with positive camber. The spec is 2 degrees > (positive) "static laden", which is just about 1/2" measured across the > width of the wheel. > > Sounds like your real problem is lack of camber on the driver's side. Next > step might be to inspect the brace between the spring towers, as without the > brace the towers can definitely sag towards the center of the car, > decreasing the camber. > > In fact, it's an old racer's trick to make up a brace that is a little bit > shorter than stock, in order to get more negative camber while running in a > class that doesn't allow changes to suspension geometry. > > Also look carefully at the upper A-arms, as they frequently crack and break > near the ball joint. > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 14:02:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E420040539 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F6140534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4CBA07DA for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:00:41 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] A bit behind... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting around to sending out some Thank You notes to folks who donated during the Team.Net spring fund drive. Only about a month and a half behind. I guess it is a good way to spend Decoration Day weekend. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 15:49:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76774053A for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2F8403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.97.70]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fwFg1l00A1X6jem01wFhUY; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:15:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Carl TR'" , References: <29153353.710421.1369423963190.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:15:41 -0400 Thread-Index: AQELc+SUMbC6zp2qRdIGhTwpFge0apqajsFQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 stanchions and plates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The thought of attaching that set-up over new paint sounds scary. At least with the dzus type, you were able to slide the stanchions over the plates.... Thanks for the feedback! -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:33 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: wbeech@flash.net; auprichard@uprichard.net Subject: Re: Re: [TR] TR3 stanchions and plates TS81802 came with plates that were between the stanchions and body. similar to the Dzus ones but without the cut-out for the springythingamajig. There was one extra in the parts bin - can't remember if it is left or right side. They do have only the two holes. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 05/24/13, WBEECH wrote: I don't have any plates for TCF2549, stanchions bolt directly to the body. I imagine this was the brainchild of some Coventry cost-cutter. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 1:50 PM, "Andrew Uprichard" wrote: > List: > > > > How are you expected to hold the stanchion plates in place for the > later > (non-dzus) windshields? The dzus plates have three holes for securing > screws to the body, but the later ones have just two for the large > bolts which go through the stanchions. Any help appreciated. Thanks! > > Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 22:25:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFD40547 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 22:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB3840420 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 22:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gUKQ1l00253lu5001UKU7o; Sat, 25 May 2013 21:19:28 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <2F0953B9-DD63-4A04-8D6C-D12B21101C34@flash.net><954BDD81-5CA2-4B8A-97CC-2C3358896E25@comcast.net><519FB4CA.1020200@gmail.com> <519FE310.2090003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 23:19:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net hi, all. tomorrow I'm planning to install a new fuel pump in a late tr3b. I see it has a lever sticking out. do I need to be sure this gets in/under/?? something or can I just bolt the thing up and let it take care of itself? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 22:44:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566F740534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 22:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF5140434 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 22:43:39 -0600 (MDT) a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:17 a=0cZmuKrZTK8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=I_koMtxmW9oA:10 a=Jo6-JaBiQmU69IcZv0MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B3cZvtR7CnT5WnMNErIZnA==:117 Received: from [76.84.49.244] ([76.84.49.244:62513] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B8/08-12729-B1291A15; Sun, 26 May 2013 04:39:55 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Dave" , References: <2F0953B9-DD63-4A04-8D6C-D12B21101C34@flash.net><954BDD81-5CA2-4B8A-97CC-2C3358896E25@comcast.net><519FB4CA.1020200@gmail.com> <519FE310.2090003@gmail.com> <411620F734BF468E954E15A3F53DC8D2@Datsun> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 23:39:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I assume you are talking about the lever that goes into block, not the external hand priming lever, anyhow, this lever is driven off of a lobe on the cam. I am not sure if there is a special trick to installing it, I do know one time I must have caught the edge of the cam putting it on, and it bent the lever and the pump didn't work until I figured it out, bent it back and reinstalled it. So make sure you keep it paralell to the mounting surface on the block, or close to it as you snug it down. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 10:09:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E7240552 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 10:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from aurora.ties2.net (aurora.ties2.net [198.22.19.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10AD4040E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 10:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (65-128-130-13.mpls.qwest.net [65.128.130.13]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora.ties2.net (8.14.2+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r4QG2pHT024872 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 11:02:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 11:02:55 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Oil Pressure in My TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all for the responses. When I wrote the original message I forgot to mention that I had checked the thrust washers. I did look at the rocker shaft and it appears to have been replaced by a previous owner with the bushed set of rockers and a new shaft that Moss sells. The new oil pump from British Northwest has given me about 10 lbs more pressure over the rpm range. Also the screw sealing the rocker shaft oil galley was loose. I may have been loosing some pressure there. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 17:48:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200CC40547 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3EF40410 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS43 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 26 May 2013 16:36:02 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 18:36:01 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5aacfkXhUFHREETymzb7dsPU8mgA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[C8B4A170:01CE5A69] Subject: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to help my friend with his TR6 brakes and I've managed to make things worse. After working on his brakes, I now have no front brakes. New brake booster. Rebuilt his master cylinder. Rebuilt both front calipers. New rear wheel cylinders. New flex lines all 4 wheels. We bled the front and the back, so there was fluid moving in the lines then. Went to drive the car and only back brakes. No front. Pulled one front wheel and pried the pads away from the disk. The pistons on both sides moved easily, so I think the calipers are OK. Stepped on the brake pedal to reset the pads on the disk. Looked at the pads and there was still air between the pads and disk. It appears there is no fluid flowing to either front wheel. Did I do something wrong on the MC rebuild that would allow it to work OK for a time and then fail? One friend suggested that the PDWA could be stopping the flow. Maybe some crud lodged somewhere? I guess what I should do is have my friend hold the brake, then loosen pipe fittings to see if they bleed. If I disconnect the pipe from the MC and no fluid comes out, that means my MC rebuild failed. Has anybody else had anything similar to this? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 18:03:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFF34052F for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94664003F for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 23:55:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.174] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 23:55:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 23:55:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 62377 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2013 23:55:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369612553; bh=ppSYh98N5CuMur7+4R6OnQRdTBobTgCECaL+mKsAQlQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0NQwJeSSd6w0ru2TWc0ZOaIQILQA9iCXLqq7X3HUhTH2hen6TMkigJM32duhkwTI1yVPr60gD/aebzIi09hePy8KZ+clmomM4dz72RDYmpvPoAvHQmRAgw9TY6HFHZUIdtIOhUJI41YX9h76ap4lJS3ek/efpTqVJrHaMN4kN5M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YZ0cSS0OC8aFs4j7ivvB2Z98mx6R/pQ9mVuOifuPEctbsJdAmZYNpIo1+iAIGNMzz7eUCBlhc4fwAJKaENDv6qPIalsr8LKtWwo/FbUHM6zxjYKy7T94Wln/A54WiYj8I1lFwq4v4mx/Qaq5hX+VlZUvi6dmJzOX97SRFhJECqw=; 6mbrQU7vqKCnzBD6uFyqFWEqEkcW5zJfqnNMdj.vEWhYPfKbXu96Wt.KPtEE SO5kG5AxYCmE.nTRKSvX73EkGdnrEVexLRxp66jBY8Kiij5yA6ak5Xw.k87c 8SaSSf_Uo8Z5VExoksrq2X3Vn9bRvCujTA8fJPtIjVE8UHSx5o7MdDZzjk6R kWKZwgzdHGKMzt_1XJ_1vKGBg56dHRJszjWimN2jEw3dtzQKKNQnREDrKXYP pG.YDbgp2X.LKt8oNuD6LFvcyBniDjrVxPyaUez6bUOypGMxiPEMvJt.b53K dFYAlN2z39VAs_3egVQ5DiC9avHQ.yt_xTm59HBa3l5xfGngo4acWNaacfh_ 2PeDKQjlEHDhJgk.W31YqmWN32fPVKFszuEr7bxyxPS_Wxgl6eTyZKqKsg1v qZ7osNo38t_DFSP09DxplHwt0HJQzmy8tmSlZrlk_.YSy Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 16:55:53 PDT TmV3bHkgb3ZlcmhhdWxlZCB0ci0zLsKgIFdyYXBwZWQgdGhlIG9pbCBwYW4gcGx1ZyB3aXRoIHRlZmxvbiB0YXBlIGFuZCB0aWdodGVuZWQgdXAgdG8gd2hhdCBmZWx0IHNvbGlkLsKgIEl0J3MgYmVlbiBsZWFkaW5nIHdoaWxlIGp1c3Qgc2l0dGluZyBvdmVyIHdpbnRlci7CoCBIYXZlIGEgZGlubmVyIHBsYXRlIHNpemUgb2lsIHB1ZGRsZSBhdCBsZWFzdC7CoCBJIHB1cmNoYXNlZCB0aGUgTW9zcyBiYWxsIHZhbHZlIHR5cGUgc3BpZ290IHRvIGluc3RhbGwgc28gSSB3b24ndCBuZWVkIHRvIGJvdGhlciB0aGUBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 16:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Newly overhauled tr-3. Wrapped the oil pan plug with teflon tape and tightened up to what felt solid. It's been leading while just sitting over winter. Have a dinner plate size oil puddle at least. I purchased the Moss ball valve type spigot to install so I won't need to bother the threads in the future. I'd like to get a good tight seal on the valve. Looking for suggestions on what to use for a good oil blocking seal. Just wrap with thicker and thicker teflon tape? Is there a plumbers putty/caulk that might work. If so does plumbers stuff work ok with the engine heat? Just wondering gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 18:34:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5D940534 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803C240334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w8so3392454vbf.35 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:22:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=o/627ZnAVH2a8YvYZZnjoOK88PGAGbOCgX4hCUS/8c4=; b=nIyraxI0B6Vwlq2c3+KrvsDk9T65MwIgi8hbIriTkTKY81TSwOuDBy2MpkreAR1Aid xEas4kAElsIHx3J65iZWQAOJJfRlPPolqQs4TPIzRMYOQT6U2IQHWPVa5fEUmPWenbqY a71SsuNoTT/KuYoxQKmlzZXBecVqP4rA1RoFsUYyFL/dxnzGWU3qF6+0AUKtddsCrc0d TAh8xdWrFyLuXQjqsd+kQqTEDImiFB4hcC6wpy/L79LnJ+zJIzrf6FMjuKQ3Y8pVMlhW 981Jobnag06vMmZawFWRDr0mf74Jm2NptPimFjCwJfbdXplQZkaa5NJJa3XCT6A4N8mB hssg== m20mr14066261vck.46.1369614138216; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.237.199 with HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:22:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <1369612553.60097.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 17:22:18 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Gary Nafziger Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary -- That's a taper thread so it should seal well with nothing added though some Teflon tape can help a bit and possibly make it a bit easier to remove. But... Are you sure that the plug is the culprit? Where that plug is situated is a low point so drips/leaks elsewhere will finally appear as a drop on that plug. Is you dinner sized puddle a true puddle of wet oil on a solid surface or is it the oil mark on a piece of cardboard or other absorbent material you have under there? A little oil can go a long way and a drip on cardboard or such will spread overtime to leave a large stain even if the quantity of oil is small. Geo On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Newly overhauled tr-3. Wrapped the oil pan plug with teflon tape and > tightened up to what felt solid. It's been leading while just sitting over > winter. Have a dinner plate size oil puddle at least. I purchased the > Moss > ball valve type spigot to install so I won't need to bother the threads in > the > future. I'd like to get a good tight seal on the valve. Looking for > suggestions on what to use for a good oil blocking seal. Just wrap with > thicker and thicker teflon tape? Is there a plumbers putty/caulk that > might > work. If so does plumbers stuff work ok with the engine heat? > Just wondering > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 18:34:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B357042749 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488ED40334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 27A5C700000BB; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E7E1BE00008A; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:27:03 -0400 (EDT) References: To: creig555@live.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m277.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 26 May 2013 20:27:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 20:27:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369614424; bh=iMR35d+A1ZIAk04XHDYF1tCcgYRfk7htqmGBFMQH7o0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nale+HQSHSZuTNz4QZlPTwgT+ZNQlhby8CtsRIzltjiltLznbwQGQKsTvdfeURjMa YjnFTzr1TIfQJMRpHdEIftYabZz8DNrHLvu6KXMgVzHgVwqZD4hatJL5qBXeE5QZUW 76bAxE/bhr1mZKiXz+f85dXT0YgBaO+EGR5rdcls= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51a2a8573ceb Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like there might be a problem with the tipping valve. If the tipping valve won't close properly you will never build pressure in the front circuit. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Creig Houghtaling To: triumphs Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 6:44 pm Subject: [TR] TR6 brake problem I'm trying to help my friend with his TR6 brakes and I've managed to make things worse. After working on his brakes, I now have no front brakes. New brake booster. Rebuilt his master cylinder. Rebuilt both front calipers. New rear wheel cylinders. New flex lines all 4 wheels. We bled the front and the back, so there was fluid moving in the lines then. Went to drive the car and only back brakes. No front. Pulled one front wheel and pried the pads away from the disk. The pistons on both sides moved easily, so I think the calipers are OK. Stepped on the brake pedal to reset the pads on the disk. Looked at the pads and there was still air between the pads and disk. It appears there is no fluid flowing to either front wheel. Did I do something wrong on the MC rebuild that would allow it to work OK for a time and then fail? One friend suggested that the PDWA could be stopping the flow. Maybe some crud lodged somewhere? I guess what I should do is have my friend hold the brake, then loosen pipe fittings to see if they bleed. If I disconnect the pipe from the MC and no fluid comes out, that means my MC rebuild failed. Has anybody else had anything similar to this? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 18:35:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0671E40334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.176.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1445C40334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 00:31:23 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.47] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 00:31:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 00:31:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369614683; bh=5W/rlpYfP5BqIsYBySSL6Ss8ljpAyVC/bSx26LhAy+k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=H04snYSxjY3miGr0sgQ4JRkoVwR/k3cMNQ/SGwzeKZQua74/rH/WkFDOiagY5fiAHVcWm2dEOs890NUjajMDFS2zNT+6SmkZnyR2Ad0gAkCEJPq3VoiXmS1XGpAMR3hscatBzDkRuu5yrCeoZ0CGJM8vKUCMlpLGbbLKRUrJvsg= YEqtZ8LYeat1TxRLTP0gtwNMRSHYikyWjNHqoCw0WZr9PH5sb53yGQBEDdT8 p4xco1VJz8H_4VbuvuleYlFqz.N2i7tBLo3oms43VcvA0feNkShiv18BG674 YPyxwdlwTLOfN_jA944NZg94C00vEVKja2SZq6O_8ehtPrJ8xvwJXmYPWufq yuiimBc81.KmskCmvYG30tdEmanfz0Yew5ZJiZkVwbV.f7mZP21.Dj4TRw0t 66e9z6gWapuIZ82vjLCvWvXd4gJf28IvjNyHbQNEopYRz4AcTs2T8cn0OIZQ Ftt8FchP6FRMEOIkgnPOCdF8hKlxiKX3woeDpyqif1sd0dEC8kgBTtQSdXVg 7cbKLyD2pQxIxqvmFML4WDshzLjsmI9JEEf2l1q3Amxp9OhCO43d5wWAv_hT _44oPceXYDCTlDOnAEN3Ur6mF8vbCpoOKRrB1zhhBgr_Z8Md5EMdNl6vUFFf WaDZEJJk1vi5U_P3SLcRcFwuSQy1piR2.7AC.QaudH_B3loiRD4VJ by smtp108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2013 17:31:23 -0700 PDT References: <1369612553.60097.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:31:12 -0500 To: Gary Nafziger Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Go to you local FLAPS and buy and oversize oil plug, should not need Teflon tape. Be sure to get a new copper washer with it too. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Newly overhauled tr-3. Wrapped the oil pan plug with teflon tape and > tightened up to what felt solid. It's been leading while just sitting over > winter. Have a dinner plate size oil puddle at least. I purchased the Moss > ball valve type spigot to install so I won't need to bother the threads in the > future. I'd like to get a good tight seal on the valve. Looking for > suggestions on what to use for a good oil blocking seal. Just wrap with > thicker and thicker teflon tape? Is there a plumbers putty/caulk that might > work. If so does plumbers stuff work ok with the engine heat? > Just wondering > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 18:37:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374384271B for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89CC40334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 18:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 40A39700308D8 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E04E1E000082 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:33:36 -0400 (EDT) References: <1369612553.60097.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m277.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 26 May 2013 20:33:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 20:33:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369614817; bh=aMwck+yDMij5fORzp+my5U8hN1QB3kYRnufb1X4j95A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OiWMHr/axxiWidecUhCUazLx9pB1cw8q/Xb7GPHwbzFuTYc3cTGE6xIXsmwUiWptt 7NyuYqqJxlT2B0/eUgj9Swy2DShysSlYuUAZ2CmqqAUZkfbllrbleKVtFKl+d44JMN aG9U2GBXgSNYFb17O95qEooc8haVNYX/5M7aIv5Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951a2a9e05920 Subject: Re: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There are many who will advise against using teflon tape on an application where the threads that shed off can block oil passages. You can find, at most any hardware store, a teflon paste pipe dope. This past has the teflon you want but the particle size is small enough to pass through any critical area. But you should be able to tighten the plug up enough to stop the leak. Take a closer look and see if the weld is cracked. The leak may be from somewhere else in which case no treatment on the plug will stop the leak. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger To: triumphs Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 6:59 pm Subject: [TR] oil pan plug Newly overhauled tr-3. Wrapped the oil pan plug with teflon tape and tightened up to what felt solid. It's been leading while just sitting over winter. Have a dinner plate size oil puddle at least. I purchased the Moss ball valve type spigot to install so I won't need to bother the threads in the future. I'd like to get a good tight seal on the valve. Looking for suggestions on what to use for a good oil blocking seal. Just wrap with thicker and thicker teflon tape? Is there a plumbers putty/caulk that might work. If so does plumbers stuff work ok with the engine heat? Just wondering gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 19:50:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B0540439 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9568540334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31721 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2013 01:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 01:42:00 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=62910 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UgmRj-0003aw-VF; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:42:00 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 20:41:59 -0500 To: Dave Massey ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <1369612553.60097.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D02888F60778A5-21B8-20099@webmail-m277.sysops.aol.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I second the "don't use teflon tape" message. The pipe sealant stuff that Dave mentions is the way to go. No teflon tape anywhere on my race TR-4, pieces come off inside the pipe / engine. On other thought - a totally drip-free Triumph may be bad karma. :) Cheers, Tony Drews At 07:33 PM 5/26/2013, Dave Massey wrote: >There are many who will advise against using teflon tape on an application >where the threads that shed off can block oil passages. You can find, at most >any hardware store, a teflon paste pipe dope. This past has the teflon you >want but the particle size is small enough to pass through any critical area. > >But you should be able to tighten the plug up enough to stop the leak. Take a >closer look and see if the weld is cracked. The leak may be from somewhere >else in which case no treatment on the plug will stop the leak. > > > > > > >Dave Massey > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Nafziger >To: triumphs >Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 6:59 pm >Subject: [TR] oil pan plug > > >Newly overhauled tr-3. Wrapped the oil pan plug with teflon tape and >tightened up to what felt solid. It's been leading while just sitting over >winter. Have a dinner plate size oil puddle at least. I purchased the Moss >ball valve type spigot to install so I won't need to bother the threads in >the >future. I'd like to get a good tight seal on the valve. Looking for >suggestions on what to use for a good oil blocking seal. Just wrap with >thicker and thicker teflon tape? Is there a plumbers putty/caulk that might >work. If so does plumbers stuff work ok with the engine heat? >Just wondering >gary n. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 19:51:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D34D40549 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4082040334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130527014256.THOL10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09>; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:42:56 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id gpiw1l0093enFnk05piwe2; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:42:56 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=7aXLo-PEK9oA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BmfMLHM9Y578NZTeTikA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=esN3BwU1A1jzUN8L:21 a=Q2ZcCi-xKIFEn83e:21 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1369612553.60097.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:42:53 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG4FhNFZWRfXi4YRfIxdIennhE4ZZlEx/Rg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If it is a pipe thread type of plug, use a thread sealant called RectorSeal. It is used for LP, Natural Gas and various types of petroleum joints. It is gasoline and oil resistant and will stay somewhat pliable. Also, buy a new plug. Those threads do wear every time you remove and reinstall. Make sure to check that the threaded area of the oil pan is not cracked or breaking away from the pan itself. If the plug is a straight thread style, it probably has a flange that requires a gasket. Some engines use copper or aluminum gaskets. Toyota used to use a fiber gasket - that worked fine as well. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Nafziger Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:56 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] oil pan plug Newly overhauled tr-3. Wrapped the oil pan plug with teflon tape and tightened up to what felt solid. It's been leading while just sitting over winter. Have a dinner plate size oil puddle at least. I purchased the Moss ball valve type spigot to install so I won't need to bother the threads in the future. I'd like to get a good tight seal on the valve. Looking for suggestions on what to use for a good oil blocking seal. Just wrap with thicker and thicker teflon tape? Is there a plumbers putty/caulk that might work. If so does plumbers stuff work ok with the engine heat? Just wondering gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 19:55:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5948C40435 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8D140358 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:55:11 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=7aXLo-PEK9oA:10 a=hF6RqmjNf5GD-8LuqSsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55027] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 86/B6-02984-A1CB2A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 01:51:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 18:51:34 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5abRm7CHCgQpufSu+Suzvvgjh8VAADnstw Subject: Re: [TR] oil pan plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Newly overhauled tr-3. Early car with straight threads on the plug, or later with tapered? Makes a difference ... Moss gives the change point as TS18901E, but of course someone may have changed the pan at some point. And everyone knows "They are all the same" IF it is the tapered variety, and it is leaking like that, some careful examination is in order as there may be a crack somewhere. I'd also want to use a tap to clean up the threads. Ordinary plumbers "PTFE pipe paste" is what I prefer to help tapered threads seal. You might want to consider a magnetic plug instead of the drain valve. If you have the straight threads, I suspect the fiber washer is missing or broken. It should seal with no help, but a little Hylomar wouldn't hurt anything. If all else fails, your FLAPS should have a "repair" plug that will work. I ran with one of the expanding rubber plugs for many years, and other than being a bit harder to remove for oil changes, it worked out fine. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 22:13:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150A64044D for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 22:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6104042E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 22:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gs9U1l00B53lu5001s9V60; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:09:29 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <8D028880AB245E8-21B8-20057@webmail-m277.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:31:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net pdwa could well be the culprit! I have fought them on several cars -----Original Message----- From: Creig Houghtaling To: triumphs Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 6:44 pm Subject: [TR] TR6 brake problem I'm trying to help my friend with his TR6 brakes and I've managed to make things worse. After working on his brakes, I now have no front brakes. New brake booster. Rebuilt his master cylinder. Rebuilt both front calipers. New rear wheel cylinders. New flex lines all 4 wheels. We bled the front and the back, so there was fluid moving in the lines then. Went to drive the car and only back brakes. No front. Pulled one front wheel and pried the pads away from the disk. The pistons on both sides moved easily, so I think the calipers are OK. Stepped on the brake pedal to reset the pads on the disk. Looked at the pads and there was still air between the pads and disk. It appears there is no fluid flowing to either front wheel. Did I do something wrong on the MC rebuild that would allow it to work OK for a time and then fail? One friend suggested that the PDWA could be stopping the flow. Maybe some crud lodged somewhere? I guess what I should do is have my friend hold the brake, then loosen pipe fittings to see if they bleed. If I disconnect the pipe from the MC and no fluid comes out, that means my MC rebuild failed. Has anybody else had anything similar to this? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 22:14:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979C240547 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 22:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CA14042A for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 22:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gs9U1l00B53lu5001s9W61; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:09:30 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <1369612553.60097.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D02888F60778A5-21B8-20099@webmail-m277.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:53:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] fule pump trials and tribulations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net you may have seen some of my earlier posts about a fuel pump leaking, and replacing it. here is a synapsis of my journey. late tr3b, had sat for at least a few years; not sure really. car was in pretty good shape and had been restored at one time. we think it was restored and then stored in a storage unit. something happened; the owner quit paying storage and the car was abandoned. it eventually ended up in my hands. I pumped out as much old gas from the tank as I could, but there was still some left. After cleaning out the fuel lines the whole way, I managed to get it to run just on starter fluid. I had disconnected the fuel line to the carbs because I didn't want any of that crap to flow into the carbs. getting it to run in short bursts, I saw gas flow from the fuel pump out of the open fuel line, so I figured the fuel pump did in fact work which I had not expected. So I put some new gas and a couple bottles of carb cleaner in the gas tank, started it up, and let it run for a few minutes. one of my cautions is that I will run a "new" engine for just a few minutes and then shut it off, and look around for leaking fluids. the first time I started up an engine that had actually just been sitting for many months I did not realize the water plug had been removed. warped the aluminum head because I did not notice the puddle under it. well done this time as well - the fuel pump was leaking quite a bit. fortunately, due to a previous misadventure I had a new in box fuel pump. as so often happens, a long weekend and busy time at work intervened so it was a few weeks before I was able to replace the fuel pump. The car would not run; would not pump gas. I figured bad pump, made a new cork gasket for the old pump (at the sediment bowl), and put it back in. I'm getting good at replacing fuel pumps, btw. still would not run. a good time to have dinner and think about things. and get a good nights sleep. next day I put in my electric fuel pump - this has never let me down; I always keep it around; it always works for me when other pumps fail. no gas and no run. time to start checking the lines. I'm getting gas from the tank, but nothing out the business end. disconnect lines one at a time and the pump does indeed work. no gas in the front carb fuel bowl. check the carb and the little thingee that moves up and down and lets gas in is stuck. remember the old gas? whoops. fix that and put gas in the fuel bowl. check the second carb - same thing. hook things back up and it runs. remove the electric fuel pump and reconnect the old one with the new gasket. car runs just fine. so I guess I still have a spare. and recommendations on how to clean the "new" one that was only in there for a few minutes? hope you enjoyed reading this saga. the blog continues at www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr3b ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 05:35:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9AD40444 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 05:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94274042C for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 05:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id q2so1848270ggc.13 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 04:30:48 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=LhlCjivWgj4ibIlAMFn3ssZai915/WZMn6ennpgH6BA=; b=WY89W8p0PA0OWpnKY+Ld72BXtHmMjjrmMH4DO6pYfRLIGkdkIu2mdKCpx1heWQ61+s xN4r8sRFgkFVNYSTH9Dq08eNvMd3iHZZU8mNKhbFHydRFhbpuzDXomDnrxT6RokJlXlC HltMTvuzf7NiwguJV5oVMg1UbDYp2zj4eqJRleapOTEbGlBdlB4arq2naXXMLAHP4B1e zciVEcOkL+pZLC9TBWaocA5qN2JypVFbnlZzxcw+MED8yAdgo7mUGCH9JJG7bQK4NQD+ jglYnqL8YaMgxOuAKdB+pCWaxR7s4xaiZXDOhSWkq0C8uE61MOxEu6swwQwcAJe6u4os w+Sw== k2mr14376825yhd.90.1369654248528; Mon, 27 May 2013 04:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w12sm39558665yhj.19.2013.05.27.04.30.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2013 04:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 07:30:44 -0400 To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I could not get the belt suggested by my last inquiry at my friendly local auto parts store. So I ordered the best belt offered by Moss (Flennor 20x0900LI) to replace the failed belt on my alternator equipped 1960 TR3A. It does not come close in length, even when prying it as suggested in their instructions. It was probably intended for the much narrower generator. I forgot that difference in width would limit the amount it could be adjusted. Duh Does anyone have any other suggestions for a pulley belt that will fit a TR3A with an alternator? Thanks John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 06:32:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53F340444 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 06:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD984043A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 06:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail165-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.247) by VA3EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.7.40.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:23:03 +0000 Received: from mail165-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail165-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22563240B53 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:23:03 +0000 (UTC) H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail165-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail165-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1369657381383841_22631; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS040.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.236]) by mail165-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DDB22007D for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by VA3EHSMHS040.bigfish.com (10.7.99.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:23:01 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id CA16E68006 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:23:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A03EDFC489C; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:23:00 +0100 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub2.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.15]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A2468006 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:23:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.69]) by winehub2.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.15]) with mapi; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:23:00 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:22:59 +0100 Thread-Topic: Anti rattle Thread-Index: Ac5a1OzWFALg2TVITNS1bh9pHFX0Xg== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US VDF=10.130.61) Subject: [TR] Anti rattle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TR2: After many miles of trying to trace an annoying rattle under the dashboard, it would appear to be the steering shaft inside the column, (why couldn't it be something simple like a loose cable!) I fitted new anti rattle bushes during the rebuild but clearly not doing their job, I pulled the horn up and can't see the felt bush at the top of the column, did I omit this? I can't remember. How big a task is removing/fitting the anti-rattle bits with the column in place? Regards john ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 07:49:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F684043A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 07:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19EDD400A4 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 07:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 13:45:46 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.202] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 13:45:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 13:45:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369662346; bh=FZUTEQnfey8cyoUVAHkUIacxHTY8WoBCjNWTlksRLJs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=6C1EvfP8o3+FjeLMvbWtGfn7zUrLXTXiSm9C6pKLknlQoJmUSe1w61PiYRmWZMpg4b6bWCGwX1I3Vg6oswzkXCEAmNdYJTbCpl2VRq5/gBFefsLvBzgQCfzSPYetBhdhV7KxxRemKo3VARNaWo/jxlNOmPFjWOlRVK519uITm88= 73jmetczoXh2oUsAfDhAUuhPb.XnBZSS6opIx2arDE3FM27aM8apN2hQq0kS Pclld.apt0cLAAkHQO_0cCUl.VM5HwFE.3YNC_yawBp8eCN4TP6fY_spmQ1U xMxdZ1_lMda2fUB61S_7.ly4m7NQjqZ6XGuwIqbrO42c9zrHDwnQwQHn7Cdp 1CBY5E7.BlFyESGCOGfGb9Wn.LgaxljPIyxBZT.T3h3FAnQx7nh14pCcC9ML 2xUeBgL7eeEMxRFwIZLORiNbwdF_7cVrSCmAxfXv56WCLvG9r_lX7L5jB3Q. UyxuSNEMCmqOC5Hivzcv7cK6SOiDGSigq1XQdUCmKT0N8tsPipRaoYcBsbjy lgo7UBQ7_e_bobb6mDzoGfbyS2TIrFGEPoSVco73EbpTXLnzkG0MTzp.zZEk EWBpaSHW974f6xbwSOwn5K7Vdq5soP1zrQql8Zwoo3vPDJu8oDlD.L0MpDi3 z1FYfeNtrrmd2tYMDTQLQbQLTmMr0PWKJYtIKJIG0ggE6WviF49K06G9QbQC dP6o0mN6nhZzJGJWY68t7OQZ0vLZeWrk5SMdvrBBGdkLYtWSSXha5vIeCjSA UJOlF9w-- smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 13:45:46 +0000 UTC References: <0236F748-A281-49F1-B60D-546D2C068AE7@gmail.com> From: rod Trunnell Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 06:45:46 -0700 To: John Wise Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an alternator with the narrow pulley conversion and the belt supplied would not fit. I ended up with a belt from NAPA, PART NUMBER 25-7385. This cross references to a Dayco 15385 or a Gates 7385. The belt is 13/32" wide and 39 1/8" long. Rod On May 27, 2013, at 4:30 AM, John Wise wrote: > I could not get the belt suggested by my last inquiry at my friendly local > auto parts store. So I ordered the best belt offered by Moss (Flennor > 20x0900LI) to replace the failed belt on my alternator equipped 1960 TR3A. It > does not come close in length, even when prying it as suggested in their > instructions. It was probably intended for the much narrower generator. I > forgot that difference in width would limit the amount it could be adjusted. > Duh > > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a pulley belt that will fit a TR3A > with an alternator? > > Thanks > > John > > John Wise > Ormond Beach, FL > > 1960 TR3A > http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html > > 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) > http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rgt2@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 09:19:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9BD40515 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CAA4043F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:12:53 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Mw88LVe4rasA:10 a=E7m5bCJtLhlAKFy-azUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 81/D1-22955-D0773A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:09:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Gillis'" , Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:09:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5a1OzWFALg2TVITNS1bh9pHFX0XgAFWR4g Subject: Re: [TR] Anti rattle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > After many miles of trying to trace an annoying rattle under the > dashboard, it would appear to be the steering shaft inside the column Are you sure it's the shaft against the column, and not the stator tube against the shaft? The shaft & column are pretty stiff, IMO it would take a lot of vibration to get them to touch; but the stator tube is much more flexible. > How big a task is removing/fitting > the anti-rattle bits with the column in place? Hmm, interesting question. Doing it "right" means removing the steering shaft, which only comes out through the steering box, which means you'll have to remove the front apron and jack the front of the car way up (so the shaft doesn't hit the floor before it clears the column). But I suspect that with some determination, you could find a thin tube that would fit into the space between the shaft & column and allow the rubber rings to be pushed down from the steering wheel end. You'd have to remove the wheel & the felt bushing of course. I'm not sure if the rings would stretch over the thicker section that rides against the felt; you might have to slit them . But I would definitely try replacing the felt first, as I think that will likely solve your problem. While it's apart, you can double-check that the anti-rattle springs for the stator tube are present and accounted for. As a side comment, the felt I got from TRF was too thick and resulted in binding. I probably should have tried to source some thinner felt, but instead I turned up a Delrin bushing to fit. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 09:49:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C1940453 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441704040B for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:44:19 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=q3b1sCnU_6oA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=J-UPZue72wAA:10 a=dfFtVSdhYJ-PNQf_9mYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rLCUfiPYTDOdUHoc:21 a=HgR1K8GQ8ZhJPMAz:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55007] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/A8-16585-C6E73A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:40:29 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Wise'" , "'car discussion Sports Triumph'" Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:40:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5azbmpoPKxEsbUSqyYHTjUhQUgugAHn4Eg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a pulley belt that > will fit a TR3A with an alternator? Pull a string around the pulleys, and mark the length. Take the string to a local, independent auto parts store (not one of the big chains) and explain. They'll let you try several belts until you find one that fits. The string will, of course, be shorter than the belt you need (because the string lays in the bottom of the vee while the belt has to ride against the sides) but only by an inch or so. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 10:04:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAE64051B for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E5E0740448 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16353 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2013 15:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 15:59:14 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=50083 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UgzpK-0003K6-HJ for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:59:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:14 -0500 To: "'car discussion Sports Triumph'" From: Tony Drews References: <0236F748-A281-49F1-B60D-546D2C068AE7@gmail.com> <0E.A8.16585.C6E73A15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't know if this helps, but I went through the same kind of thing due to replacement of the Crank Pulley / Harmonic Dampener on my race TR-4. We have a local farm supply store called Farm & Fleet which has a large selection of pick it yourself belts. In my case, the belt is narrow so is more readily available than the original wide ones would be. I bought groups of 3, tried them on my car, went back and returned them and bought another group of 3 until I found the right size. If you have a place like this in your area, it's a thought. Using Randall's string method would help get you in the right ballpark to start with either using the "choose it yourself" method or the mom and pop FLAPS store (and that's who we should be supporting anyway) will eventually get you there. Cheers, Tony Drews At 10:40 AM 5/27/2013, Randall wrote: > > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a pulley belt that > > will fit a TR3A with an alternator? > >Pull a string around the pulleys, and mark the length. Take the string to a >local, independent auto parts store (not one of the big chains) and explain. >They'll let you try several belts until you find one that fits. The string >will, of course, be shorter than the belt you need (because the string lays >in the bottom of the vee while the belt has to ride against the sides) but >only by an inch or so. > >-- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 12:12:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624D040542 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC5B40066 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A870570036229 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dpe001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dpe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.129]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2096BE000086 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Jody007 Received: from 98.230.42.121 by webmail-m243.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.234) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 May 2013 14:07:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369678075; bh=M+anbzB/aZ2SiTIAdlBZ+HD042NGejAJbk8NqGnhFz8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yJrseGNmEOW84XnRWVhjga7efFN+dhr9IW+ViX3xzY68rzlbpkavHI4mq0qKq/RWE 8XjvXZclzHBiCQfBVkBtyOO1YWkOK/GvnV1dvCn/+q3KdP8Ul1KVaX7RByOVriBFkg ufy1MAs+gfck7vGa9ppHy8JugzZlJW9gIckCKgyA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51a3a0fb119f Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Brake Problem. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Center it, lock it in place by putting a BB in and then screw in a blot to hold the BB in place. One friend suggested that the PDWA could be stopping the flow. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 13:22:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C36403F3 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428FB4009A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:17:34 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=-IfGq1_Grr0A:10 a=t2mkClU-j_Ka6FOWR04A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2F/FB-16585-660B3A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:13:43 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:13:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5akAz8rpbQh+HnSRuMiCQ7NCCa8wAff0Yg Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > pdwa could well be the culprit! I have fought them on several cars That shouldn't be possible (which is not the same as impossible). The PDWA is not supposed to ever shut off the flow of fluid, only operate the big red light on the dash. The ends of the piston are tapered, so fluid can flow around them even with the piston against one of the stops. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 14:55:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0975D40513 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC2940413 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.96.106]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id h8iv1l00E2Hidc6018ivjR; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:42:57 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 16:42:56 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5bGjcYkrnHBjqXTM+i5mkSSDUCqw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What is the collective wisdom on re-using leaf springs ? I am restoring a TR3 which I acquired disassembled with springs which look like they were cleaned and repainted. I have heard everything from "always replace" to "stand on them and if they don't hit the ground, you're OK" ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 15:25:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E152E40452 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7266A403D8 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:17:29 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=QGIr4VcZftoA:10 a=RiG3GoCC4GsLUvoZkNgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:33452] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9C/05-16585-08CC3A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:13:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:13:37 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Andrew Uprichard References: <00ee01ce5b1a$c5daa100$518fe300$@uprichard.net> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, I am using the original 58 springs on my 58 and the original 63 springs on the 63. Cars ride fine for the miles and type of driving I do. I always thought that was as long as there are no cracks etc. they should be fine. Maybe a bit of grease between the leaves before assembly. Bob On 05/27/2013 04:42 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > What is the collective wisdom on re-using leaf springs ? I am restoring a > TR3 which I acquired disassembled with springs which look like they were > cleaned and repainted. I have heard everything from "always replace" to > "stand on them and if they don't hit the ground, you're OK" ! > > Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 17:58:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5871F40454 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 17:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F9B40413 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 17:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wc20so697365obb.18 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=zSBSGmassM6NzUsMzcEppuCuKpKhIdzUeNEer+/dIZE=; b=Ty+Y9+WqGZ25oaJIooJMFuJOW89FAMvf7+H+KGNRfQJbbd8nPjLg8b9ZAr5THeAra/ EncKRc78ExB2Hi/9vKs7i08JJdl14+1jO3G9X24oAmOekpbIKRzhdZLZjNaCi8DUnOug QN8GE/ZJvg02+hObTBJGESb4WcA2YWwJjZpnUSG780O1CzP/tnCPjRXLUP/15+A+c2nS umqYOTrRktzB8WV7dBW7ArL4ikBaM0Kd+NX5Za4PoIXg1jB/5u7CKIR9PbpYNd3rzD3j HGC4TISScG/jFPdW5kBDHduVvZUcRiBGEI3ogYk8G4W31hoYDBBwUQRrpdQWiKDNISwr ccPg== c1mr1608505oej.17.1369698893280; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q4sm32333368obl.1.2013.05.27.16.54.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2013 16:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:55:05 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5bNQtg/0kBRamwQVqBZOlL/scstQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am slowly getting my TR4 restoration project back together. The factory repair manual mentions using a sealant when installing the wings. Has anyone done that, if so, what did you use and what technique did you use. The manual mentions applying to seam after wing installed from underneath. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:04:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD6740513 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7700C40406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-60-196.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.60.196]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MNH00GONEP35940@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 28 May 2013 00:00:46 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-27_05:2013-05-27,2013-05-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305270299 From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:00:39 -0700 References: <000001ce5b35$9d632d80$d8298880$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 27, 2013, at 4:55 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I am slowly getting my TR4 restoration project back together. The factory > repair manual mentions using a sealant when installing the wings. Has > anyone done that, if so, what did you use and what technique did you use. > The manual mentions applying to seam after wing installed from underneath. When I did my car, I chose not to use anything. My reasoning was that sealer would just create a place to trap moisture. I do get some (dirty) water forced up around the trim strip, but it isn't a big deal, and I rarely drive it in the rain, anyway. If you do use something, there is a 3M product that comes in strips similar to modeling clay. That would be what I would use, if I used anything. It remains pliable, so you can get the wings back off easily if you need to. I used it to help seal the transmission cover, for instance. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:29:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3674043C for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC274009A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:22:38 -0600 (MDT) a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:17 a=0H_z5hHcZyIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=FPyh_PYwdYwA:10 a=lCMUqqPKs8tEnOomD6cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nM+1rQxfgQADMvVSFS/rlg==:117 Received: from [76.89.87.204] ([76.89.87.204:59673] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DA/0A-22955-5E7F3A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 00:18:45 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: References: <000c01ce575c$46bc5b00$d4351100$@rr.com> <000301ce5762$0708ecc0$151ac640$@rr.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:18:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5XXPgE5vURR0AoSGW8otqsGaaGEAAAsAiwAPX89WA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Engine Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All PVC valves are not equal. Got a generic one from O'Reily's. The one I got was a really good one-way valve. Blow one way it flows, the other way is blocks. The factory one is sporadic at best. It opens quickly and closes just as quick. So I installed the generic. So far no leaks, but I have to put it under load to see what it does. Johnnie > > Hi Irv, > > Something's wrong here, and I don't believe that venting to a catch > tank is > the proper thing to do. The real issue in my mind is, what's changed? > and > how do I validate it? > > My first thought was that the PVC value wasn't working properly, but I > got a > new diaphragm from Moss, and then a whole new PCV value, and neither > was it. > > The leak has been progressively getting worse. I'm now thinking the > valve > guides are leaking. > > > > Johnnie > > '67 TR4A > > > > > > > > > > Your crankcase is pressurized and doesn't have enough venting to > relieve the > pressure. As a result, the pressure is pushing out the oil. > On my TR4, I had a vent line from the rocker cover as well as a large > (1") > vent hose coming from where the mechanical fuel pump was. > Ran both of those to my catch tank, and that did the trick. > > HTH, > > Irv Korey > > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM, John & Pat Donnelly > > wrote: > > Listers, > > I've been battling a bad engine oil leak on a TR4A for some time. The > undercarriage gets wet from the engine to the differential. After > running > for 1/2 hr the back of the engine leaves a puddle of, maybe about 1/4 > cup > worth, besides the half dozen others spots that occur underneath. The > oil > is now coming out of mostly the rear seal after plugging everything > else. I > had to remove the dipstick and plug the opening with felt because that > would > push oil out. The distributor pedestal bubbles out little bits where > the > tach cable attaches. The valve cover cap has oil coming out of the > relief > hole. A few years ago it was small stuff. Now it's embarrassing. I > believe > it's internal pressure doing it. > > The PVC valve is new (as was it's predecessor). The valve cover doesn't > leak. No leaks from the front engine mounting plate or the sump. > > I've had the engine out 3X and . > > 1. Changed the rear seal to the Marx seal. 1st time I tore it by the > flywheel bolts, 2nd time verified it's intact as evidenced through the > 3rd > timed pulled. > > 2. Changed the piston rings. They're Deves, with openings rotated on > thirds. > > 3. Redone the epoxy for the rear cam plug. Checked it on the third time > pulled. Perfect. > > 4. Checked all the rear oil galleys and they are clear, including those > going through the rear crank bearing housing. > > So I decided this afternoon to do the compression and leak down tests. > > Compression as follows on a hot engine dry/wet (2 squirts) > > 1= 175/185 2 = 175/185 3 = 175/185 4 = 165/185 > > My leak down test consistent of using a Harbor Fright leak down > tester, > again on a hot engine. I used a stethoscope to check for sounds. > > Every cylinder was consistent in % of leakage. The only difference was > that > #1 had more air was leaking through the valve cover cap, but the % was > similar to the others. > > Checked the carb openings, they sounded consistent. Checked the dip > stick. > Sounded consistent. No leaks in the radiator. > > Maybe it's the HF Tester? The head has not had any work done to it in > 15 > years, I'm feeling it could it be the culprit? How do I tell? > > > > Thanks! > > Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:30:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3961840526 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32B5403DB for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 00:24:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.132] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 00:24:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 00:24:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369700671; bh=qWiyr0S2Sh1dgBLRXHM7JuHOIeONvx5LyGSnpM+kvqU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bvVwi372QpvaWITHoPS7KZnlQ2EGowc05AR5Y2dtwev8KTJjFhqIbyjproLvXSvD+p9v5TEtaDDltTTrLfauKPLPI4BBG9HLLNAc98xLjjF0HQaji+aik1kF2BpbrpNrfMJ1SLoSPhiRsx8sSS7HDWcQ9p4iBwSi5Xphycw0TM0= zx0QRbJfd45GJ7iwGp4vLVYgzplxM2mWbquTl93tJWM2n2QHETLV_4HFysme ctEl7MbcTS3YYQomcXj8GMsa1jsAqkzzwdGHi7GHFhcHFAHMpqGHLIU7h83q ocG5kl4jSUlrFJRzCdUyfdh4OtaCeFxS9HjG2oHBSRASC6ZfxbtGPhtI0M1o kyvnK_8u28BxJiOGrWZUsj72g41a2cFQUXwZ8cv7CzmNrWSiDR0qKjfE8Ysc vLCOob0jQFY5gcMUfES467GFqBoyjMkok51tC1vCKRBBSVsccJcCZsCPPAFW DgJ_JvFovBcftCXHAv9CGC_TPMxCzOMGx51pGR8c7p5lbl1b3YND473w_vLV Zv63vWsIuEixuQJoiVPeKpsbFgbcLaWmZ5Mb_wjQd9QLS_IGH1d5Kt9xp2nU KAf3HAOe2kexc3Ov8ZI_QZVxczgL9eJynadQeC_y87zPiKNk.U84bPB4R0.v .JifBB2oTWQKETd3x.JW.ahYlsCIY with ) by smtp219.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 17:24:31 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:24:27 -0500 From: triumph74tr6 To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It sure will if you get overzealous when bleeding. B That is exactly what it does.....closes off a perceived bad circuit. B Chad in TulsaRandall wrote:> pdwa could well be the culprit!B B I have fought them on several cars That shouldn't be possible (which is not the same as impossible).B The PDWA is not supposed to ever shut off the flow of fluid, only operate the big red light on the dash.B The ends of the piston are tapered, so fluid can flow around them even with the piston against one of the stops. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:45:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA7E40451 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F2340437 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:44:58 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=QGIr4VcZftoA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BeBqXIHhJImmlRHph2AA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:57579] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A4/6D-12729-02DF3A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 00:41:05 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Bob Labuz" , References: <00ee01ce5b1a$c5daa100$518fe300$@uprichard.net> <51A3CC81.2020607@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:41:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Bob, if they appear to be in good shape, and, if together when you bought it, the car was sitting level, I wouldn't replace them, in fact, although I am not sure about TR Springs, I know some replacement leaf springs for British cars have had issues, sometime arched to give too high of a ride height, sometimes tending to start off OK or too high then sagging with use, or worse yet sagging on one side only, usually driver's side, if it ain't broke...... Greg Lemon (currently driving a TR250 with coils springs, but many leaf sprung cars in the past). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Labuz" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:13 PM To: "Andrew Uprichard" Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] leaf springs > Andrew, > > I am using the original 58 springs on my 58 and the original 63 springs on > the 63. Cars ride fine for the miles and type of driving I do. I always > thought that was as long as there are no cracks etc. they should be fine. > > Maybe a bit of grease between the leaves before assembly. > > Bob > > On 05/27/2013 04:42 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: >> What is the collective wisdom on re-using leaf springs ? I am restoring >> a >> TR3 which I acquired disassembled with springs which look like they were >> cleaned and repainted. I have heard everything from "always replace" to >> "stand on them and if they don't hit the ground, you're OK" ! >> >> Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 19:00:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B34240448 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0267040406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130528005430.XICP6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:54:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id hCuW1l00G33eLpB05CuWzw; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:54:30 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=-IfGq1_Grr0A:10 a=HTms6nFJAAAA:8 a=Z0omdgp4AAAA:8 a=SLicfzJXdfTCLqflMuYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MJmUAk6Bs_UA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:54:34 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/27/2013 8:24 PM, triumph74tr6 wrote: > That is exactly what it does.....closes off a perceived bad circuit. Pretty sure that's wrong. See http://www.vtr.org/maintain/pdwa.shtml - the piston is a constant diameter. How would it shut off flow, without some careful positioning of the o-ring, which shouldn't easily seal a round hole in the side of the bore anyway. Some look different: http://www.74tr6.com/pdwa.htm But I still don't think it's made well enough to seal against brake pressure. I've had my PDWA illuminate many a time on my old Spitfire, and I never had any diminution of brakes. Doesn't seem safe to cut off half your brakes for a small leak... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 19:52:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA984043C for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9FF40406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNH0028JJOAT300@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:48:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 21:48:12 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5bRWGwklIz7dE3T8CxTZRbfCATWw== Expiry-date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. See http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the switch. Checked the fuses - ok Checked juice from the switch - ok Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok But no lights. Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from ground lead directly to battery - no difference. Anything wrong with my schematic? Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that both relays are bad. Any insight is appreciated.. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 20:20:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422DA40425 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80AC40406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id id13so5131379vcb.9 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0wLUolappdkkU52lxpdBazGhqAVMj6QjpUsgdtVNzt0=; b=a5gqwnr7u3OeYlHaEydGbmN920Rvsiu/D+rdQ/nMUB+RTFIT/J/EStSF3kpPVVZOEZ VkO5WmuWCkV6zX7DBV823LraRmxeNxokF/lkokEHOg7mLkQM1FG9jy1HYlYnCf8msrSO NOXrNjmKuJ5BfF0puwd1YCNIn8fsIlg+KgaSA4CDplwx0xJmY2lraDjiaPO6vSMpCwfF ySibYB/qiIH8ZDfX8qvjFD1Dxcoqnf1fm3b2AOE8LF+Ovy6529PQHjkw167ZVWhfOBfe NYbb+bIUJMx2eJ07CvJ9Ao5hUgo9lWy7N3DuHqFJgRdOQWCc5tLeSIO/udfjsyldR3iV F8Lg== p11mr13844943vdi.116.1369707350094; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.237.199 with HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:15:50 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Carl TR Cc: TR List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl - I got to P-Bucket but it said the image had been deleted or moved. Geo On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Carl-TR wrote: > The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. > > > > See > > http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM > ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) > > > > I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the > switch. > > Checked the fuses - ok > > Checked juice from the switch - ok > > Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok > > > > But no lights. > > > > Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. > > Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from > ground > lead directly to battery - no difference. > > > > Anything wrong with my schematic? > > > > Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that > both relays are bad. > > > > Any insight is appreciated.. > > > > > > Carl > > 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. > > Tampa, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 20:37:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759534052F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596CD40406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNH00DCMLR7Q3P0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:33:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:33:06 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQIzt7FtsNktBn3YFmiuHeK+4eiTrQGMZnmOmELEqrA= Cc: 'TR List' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry - you may need to cut/paste - I haven't figured out how to shorten the name. C Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:16 PM To: Carl TR Cc: TR List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Carl - I got to P-Bucket but it said the image had been deleted or moved. Geo On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Carl-TR wrote: The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. See http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the switch. Checked the fuses - ok Checked juice from the switch - ok Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok But no lights. Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from ground lead directly to battery - no difference. Anything wrong with my schematic? Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that both relays are bad. Any insight is appreciated.. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 20:47:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C5440324 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBA74006C for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNH001KDLYLYD72@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:37:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'TR List '" References: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:37:32 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQIzt7FtsNktBn3YFmiuHeK+4eiTrZhPKHww Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Might be as simple as editing the link in the email... duh! Lamp_Circuit Of course, I am not sure if autox will accept HTML. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:48 PM To: TR List Subject: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. See http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the switch. Checked the fuses - ok Checked juice from the switch - ok Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok But no lights. Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from ground lead directly to battery - no difference. Anything wrong with my schematic? Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that both relays are bad. Any insight is appreciated.. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO < http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 20:48:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CD44044B for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E714009A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.15] helo=mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uh9rO-0001w9-Ma for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:42:02 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uh9rN-0000dY-G1; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:42:01 -0400 Received: from webmail05.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.5]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id hEi11l00m06ZD2201Ei1lZ; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:42:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=ga2Xi970vgYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=7_iXZHDp0CcA:10 a=bFGN1JUKAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=VQTPHr66agkdFbFMajoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=B4SvnJbo9N0A:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=VvFq4pgRw0hsDbru1LvkIw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uh9r8-0004AW-6f; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:41:46 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:41:46 -0400 JenP0BAAAAAA==@verizon.net> References: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:41:46 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: TR List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Take a look at the schematics posted here. http://www.advanceautowire.com/schematics.htm The diagram on Ohoto Bucket was too confusing. Greg G. Osseo, MN > The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. > > > > See > http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM > ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) > > > > I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the > switch. > > Checked the fuses - ok > > Checked juice from the switch - ok > > Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok > > > > But no lights. > > > > Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. > > Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from > ground > lead directly to battery - no difference. > > > > Anything wrong with my schematic? > > > > Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that > both relays are bad. > > > > Any insight is appreciated.. > > > > > > Carl > > 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. > > Tampa, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 20:49:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E814042E for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8139400A5 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS26 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 27 May 2013 19:45:55 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: References: <51A4004A.6000106@charter.net> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 21:45:54 -0500 Thread-Index: AQNdHWTk7P8Rbqg/5qPOCLvsaaK/nAJ7vHACleh3+QA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[799FAC80:01CE5B4D] Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I checked the fluid flow today. Moving from the MC down to the driver side front wheel, had pressure/flow before the PDWA. Had pressure/flow after the PDWA. Had pressure/flow just before the brake flex line. Had no pressure/flow just past the brand new stainless braided flex line. I took the braided flex line off and the fluid from the brake reservoir flowed into my catch container. Wiped the flex hose fittings as well as I could and blew air through the line. Now I have a mystery. If air goes through, brake fluid should pass through. Now I am defining pressure/flow at each of the above mentioned points as this: My friend steps on the brake pedal. I loosen the connection till I see fluid bleed out, and then I retighten. That is what I got all the way down to the connection into the flex line. The connection of the flex line to the short pipe to the caliper did not bleed. I then took the female threaded pipe connector completely loose from the flex line. My friend pushed on the brakes and no fluid flow. My only guess at this point is the orifice on the flex line is so tiny that it managed to shut down against the brake fluid pressure. Perhaps some foreign object got lodged. Removing the line and blowing air (perhaps in the opposite direction) cleared the obstruction. Maybe... Stay tuned. Tomorrow I will get the old flex lines and put one back on the driver side. Then I'll check to see if I have caliper on the left and not the right. Might try a few other things too. Will let you know. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:55 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem On 5/27/2013 8:24 PM, triumph74tr6 wrote: > That is exactly what it does.....closes off a perceived bad circuit. Pretty sure that's wrong. See http://www.vtr.org/maintain/pdwa.shtml - the piston is a constant diameter. How would it shut off flow, without some careful positioning of the o-ring, which shouldn't easily seal a round hole in the side of the bore anyway. Some look different: http://www.74tr6.com/pdwa.htm But I still don't think it's made well enough to seal against brake pressure. I've had my PDWA illuminate many a time on my old Spitfire, and I never had any diminution of brakes. Doesn't seem safe to cut off half your brakes for a small leak... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/creig555@live.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 21:02:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC0A40425 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A9A40406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:02:16 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=-IfGq1_Grr0A:10 a=NbTm3PbiAAAA:20 a=5NoiogC5AAAA:20 a=Uzg8RkEJPj9q2Hmlz1IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=oA1GRmg19AUA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 85/F6-02984-F4D14A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 02:58:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:58:35 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5bPi9NtjIFjaBLQ5u9xFpHQEH0rAAEJSNg Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net PDWA = Pressure Differential Warning Actuator. What it does is actuate the warning (big red light on dash) when there is a pressure differential. It's not a valve at all, does not control flow at all. The seals are only to keep fluid from leaking out through the switch. Take a look at http://goo.gl/fYlAz You can see how both ends are turned down, so fluid can flow freely past even when the piston is against the side of the housing. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 21:48:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A4F40454 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA75140324 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 03:38:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 03:38:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 03:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26662 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2013 03:38:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369712284; bh=WMaxG5Z/70UM7iSBoB8txoqNsjQ2mc0+QzsUwiWJAeU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dnJgqCRjfVdpzy/PzfsROe0ZIVPUbkuZaY6II0roVgB1JkCL6xJpY+pVO2z1wgwzTFDIeY78YqR7sGhOaGJcddG4sCtnrXFf5YCJGa+GZ9Hb1CwHZJi83o6P+zG1T0YYw7/YQYbgsPHHzxIx5AP/3PGlKgRQpek6lqWluJywXF4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lz0pUZkGUCrdcAj7edpeSsHLvqIzilVAw5G+uqKXoOmeeF/B431W3q/JkJGwAh2LoyayehSXLyyC8m/YSNbG8cMwJs6OR6oFFJ08GEa8ePiiGUGOxFxje+FrKwEyhjOKiMzb5sMqkI6zHlzfCrWcJp5YCJSbuABq65FF1uoaz6I=; 1sjfLiDbCCnxY3xmlRGJwbTAF_4101pAjWCf2yo8NsDDJVXAxL3vZXxty4E2 H9iRQDUXqpMMvIZz5pZ5nX4F9xOhikVTp1mD_nOZVdYyMxsZh_.8qq.wXSij 4_qUrNrDI6iz21DR8ucmZrqPsGaLElBc2MFj_LN0EgAWJRRy1ZkMJwpjDHHP GztXDFr1ZCqzWpPIzKB2bkwW0kmTB4F.tTMb80JEYG8CY6he0lMbrxoBp0bI JweopYf_p1.xfvhsn2IBUQxDs51LawJ21TryY.5x.mB4sCFXQjMcrBtEZ683 rafifAAB.77j9814b7.rUhTRGbWFszVao._Rl.rpLlinIVZNmhhoHlECIlci 9ZbjowkU_Lv9l_NK1wK5KYfUPtFDWSp891Qcl6xdXdqrWgO.2cmeJmQ95mUF jV5wZgX_KmAy0WaXci_CIL4b2dYwHvbIIzz4jit02DSYV5HBXX0BFbmtsLAo blvAaNPfvt1FNyeA_jVUPzpTG4YkFiNZ4aS5R8kRNIJcD4T3he2Qy7Rs_l3r RbJbGYjsLXPtvCJb.SlkdmQ5_n64Y06gODEP_pg_8tg-- Received: from [107.195.25.16] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:38:04 PDT SGkgQW5kcmV3LArCoMKgwqDCoCBJIGRpc2FncmVlIHdpdGggdGhlIGd1eXMgdGhhdCBzYXkgdG8gcmUtdXNlIHlvdXIgbGVhZiBzcHJpbmdzLiAKCsKgwqDCoMKgIE9uZSBkYXkgYWJvdXQgOSB5ZWFycyBhZ28gSSB3YXMgZHJpdmluZyBob21lIGluIG15IDE5NjAgVFIzQS4gSSB3YXMgcHVsbGluZyBhd2F5IHNtYXJ0bHkgZnJvbSBhIHN0b3Agc2lnbiB3aGVuIEkgdGhvdWdodCBJIGhlYXJkIGd1biBzaG90cy4gSGVyZSBpcyBoaWNrc3ZpbGxlIGl0IHdvdWxkIGJlIGd1eXMgc2hvb3RpbmcgYXQgZG92ZXMgYXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs , "auprichard@uprichard.net" Subject: [TR] leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andrew, I disagree with the guys that say to re-use your leaf springs. One day about 9 years ago I was driving home in my 1960 TR3A. I was pulling away smartly from a stop sign when I thought I heard gun shots. Here is hicksville it would be guys shooting at doves as opposed to a drive by shooting. Anyway, after what sounded like 5 or six loud bangs my left rear corner of my car feel down to about 1" off the ground. All of the leaves in the spring had broken one on top of the other in the same place. If I had been doing my usual Jabbeke Highway re-enactments it could have been fatal. I should post a photo of it. I still have the broken leaf spring. Most TR leaf springs didn't get their recommended yearly oiling. Even now I bet most of us still don't lube our springs like we should. Chances are that your 50 year old springs are already abused and waiting for a good time to give out. I recommend that anyone restoring a TR3 change out the springs. It is not that expensive or time consuming, especially if the body is off. I would also put in an A.R.E. solid bronze bushing kit for the rear of the spring. I think that he calls it the "Axel locating kit" or something like that. My car is quite a bit more solid feeling after installing new springs. Good luck. Remember if you ask three different guys you'll get 5 opinions. Be safe. -Bill in Tehachapi From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Subject: [TR] leaf springs Message-ID: <00ee01ce5b1a$c5daa100$518fe300$@uprichard.net> charset="us-ascii" What is the collective wisdom on re-using leaf springs ? I am restoring a TR3 which I acquired disassembled with springs which look like they were cleaned and repainted. I have heard everything from "always replace" to "stand on them and if they don't hit the ground, you're OK" ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 21:51:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE254052F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12967403DB for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 03:47:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.174] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 03:47:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 03:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 42820 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2013 03:47:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369712825; bh=4f8rPO0ytqkCJkJlxUt637bQXOSPvWQpoCvvr6ho8EA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MxzKxGUM5mEvFPNKmzJtawiMs9dVC2kNW61bvR1HQFNIwY0en8H4fMPv9Q5eRem5C5RfP86dfOWM2kQ1rB4GBZeu+UAnM9ep1FpctWPDu94B/nvoOUDYMVM/EiCFxdbPd6LH3u27MABwbYD31T05XI+Bgl7m4zdUx1dPhfXo+1U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YLGPQpFdPL9nzgDFv57mTfx7yuwQ3mwzm62o0Azg6BM6Iw7wMsIxJAvf0WcTlu0e//RfH2JdIidBDhR47EkOAmCS7bmUdXtkmHkNyUGuFr7XS7Aw67h4k7jh1XEn4ppjv9e0xSFbWT2mc+0sUR3QUz+068+RsKew7yl7bV/s4ik=; eblIQ1_8_eZmczX38K2Bu5.wgw8JhgA2j.4o.UzScejsCnHtBfRXP6zymA7e fjF1j38FKbYkKizvgqpd7cggO78Ido7NSwQYpVHF9ToAIiOxFhpqpWI8IdMw PQ7f6va5gcgIWnJ_GzvnjJ2JkIH_kbE6hrv7q4gTuC.1FRpdZfzn7x0qox.y sQTNBZXBngxGflehrGHIqcLUjxZOvJHay8Y.PnB7BXqPtCKZrxQrlnhOrW1U geYRGtYygL9Ap4cMzUKQ64lBQILzhZAbvLLEQZeSlIYlTmSYrvq6pnJJ0qNI yYvMqOqLezZSyvlM9Zeb2797WeM1ud2LEqzI6dWMUVXuV9Pzf2dNrVKb.SsZ P90u8uPfniX7YgdsGGnI.zRb.wejeoDB85Bc5S_MfmB4ecUXcpMFIBn2xk2x NGm4Gief.Js0vfUs4bEsQqey5RaP4V2beOfDcdUuFfCE8E1xXSx1q89L8HiX UrrwlWfOBAkhRyporMdC6mYMX5wqMDtD2tQHqsQBM6keZWG0clvuEhGWuA9T NfpBpHippVLU7_kGqhfEXE8Y7QgX29dFjYxNOwTvS5NOv3OexfBdlQ0Nq4r2 mXSsWHLI3pbS1vjwHeUs- Received: from [70.177.113.241] by web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 20:47:04 PDT WWVwLi4uLi55b3UncmUgcmlnaHQuwqAgSSdtwqBleGhhdXN0ZWQgYW5kIHdyb25nLsKgIDotKQrCoApDaGFkIGluIFR1bHNhLgogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmFuZGFsbCA8VFIzZHJpdmVyQGNhLnJyLmNvbT4KVG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBNb25kYXksIE1heSAyNywgMjAxMyA5OjU4IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbVFJdIFRSNiBicmFrZSBwcm9ibGVtCiAgCgpQRFdBID0gUHJlc3N1cmUgRGlmZmVyZW50aWFsIFdhcm5pbmcgQWMBMAEBAQE- References: <51A4004A.6000106@charter.net> <85.F6.02984.F4D14A15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep.....you're right. I'm exhausted and wrong. :-) Chad in Tulsa. ________________________________ From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem PDWA = Pressure Differential Warning Actuator. What it does is actuate the warning (big red light on dash) when there is a pressure differential. It's not a valve at all, does not control flow at all. The seals are only to keep fluid from leaking out through the switch. Take a look at http://goo.gl/fYlAz You can see how both ends are turned down, so fluid can flow freely past even when the piston is against the side of the housing. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 21:52:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4201340517 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9ED403DB for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 21:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hFd61l0020lTkoCA6Fo879; Tue, 28 May 2013 03:48:08 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hFo81l0032xZMJ48QFo8Eo; Tue, 28 May 2013 03:48:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 03:48:08 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Andrew Uprichard s=q20121106; t=1369712888; bh=OMze/FUyFXg2zbI0HNNg42ypwH2NKmBMuBPOkQu6vZQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jNV7ldhAFGiJRjthKDhs4BontaZqWCwmuAvPeOzuyGO0B4QfTpCOizcrmKSRaysQp XPcvtcQ9ANyMZXTn3ODxHfYonTRGqygSxeIYNWyufQzZorkJ8HOMGK4FhxX7yAhbVj 7NPxdh7yYcx/LkWmKxQ1NVukfyDMkj9HHDtyd6YenTrVlJDUhPssIb1ATy0DiI92bt I/QO5y2l+2DeAfU+yaRm0RE4fjtIlTCy3+IOFYLj+Q4eigyuayoeyZVUzp8aAq1Kuz VycDJHX1MLLCsIismfLEvwoc1eVP2hV+JkUekdaiIedwOX2AuT1VDTguen6sasKujW EGl6wCQXoUCfg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After having one break on my Midget, I'd probably replace if I was doing a restoration. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Uprichard" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 3:42:56 PM > Subject: [TR] leaf springs > What is the collective wisdom on re-using leaf springs ? I am > restoring a > TR3 which I acquired disassembled with springs which look like they > were > cleaned and repainted. I have heard everything from "always replace" > to > "stand on them and if they don't hit the ground, you're OK" ! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 23:25:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27F54044B for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 23:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCC1403D4 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 23:25:23 -0600 (MDT) a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:17 a=ctP1I5ahBe4A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8A2-SfLM0G8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=nUieVzKlPTYA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=IjalmlZkFvt1mBvPCXQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:117 Received: from [98.145.70.134] ([98.145.70.134:55049] helo=GatewayPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from <308gtsi@roadrunner.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 06/B5-11869-9DE34A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 05:21:29 +0000 From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi@roadrunner.com> To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:21:19 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5bYy03YGkyd7mAQhWgcs80prcfmw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jim, When I put the wings back on my TR4A, I used Butyl Rubber between the mating surfaces. Sticky stuff (don't get it on your hands!), but pretty handy to hold the chrome fender bead in place as you get the fender lined up. The butyl rubber comes in a tube that pops in a caulking gun, and a little bit goes a long way. It stays soft and flexible. I've done it this way on a lot of other restorations I've done over the years and I will continue to do it. Brian ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:55:05 -0400 From: "James Henningsen" To: Subject: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 I am slowly getting my TR4 restoration project back together. The factory repair manual mentions using a sealant when installing the wings. Has anyone done that, if so, what did you use and what technique did you use. The manual mentions applying to seam after wing installed from underneath. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 05:59:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6A240515 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 05:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37185403EA for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 05:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BECA7700000BE for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.209]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8C010E000081 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:48:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:48:15 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369741695; bh=I0WbeBlg76G4IjQ+3ADYayfMRNJClMFvCn0dEkilpM8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g8C/v+IwTQSHQB5SKqQ8oJMY9yQQDX4mIyKPi3UxefspSSnSFMDLJKO9ASjRl0Fvg zcbswfFulChYnEy9+f03rMiyLH4sjQGHIEjpiCGkRVc1pntclZQUvK7v00HyzzdrrX X4X7I8fM5BID8v2Gi7amG+beQDr98YCSOAZk9460= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51a4997f5953 Subject: Re: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used a bead of rope calk in the seam. In other words apply the calk to the surface that will contact the inner wing before installation so that the calk will fill the gap excluding water. As you know, this is a three layer metal sandwich that will wick up water and rust in spite of your efforts to seal it off after the fact. Your best defense is 1) a good coat of paint on all the surfaces (the factory only had primer on those surfaces) and B) a sealant to exclude water. I did both and 17 years later I have no evidence of rust in those areas. Dave In a message dated 5/27/2013 6:55:00 PM Central Daylight Time, trguy75@gmail.com writes: > I am slowly getting my TR4 restoration project back together. The > factory > repair manual mentions using a sealant when installing the wings. Has > anyone done that, if so, what did you use and what technique did you use. > The manual mentions applying to seam after wing installed from underneath. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 06:02:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B260E403EA for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 06:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3107C403EA for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 06:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B4A2770000096 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.209]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 740F4E000088 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369742295; bh=Y7Rxi4DtgNBl0XL15Brlk5I5V7B9wUvs3BgX/tAcwjU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QagDr7Haim6QA4V3FlpyUx4i8ZxxrmXV2ed7o1KyDqv0F+W4SJznBQIp1KHymW74F EnRjiIt/VkGZAW05hfxYdQEyIcFenAhQWWo0QaOzPdJTQFIpdAtvdiZ+4r05NTwlS6 +GizEpkR4DgbyPDkIcenMwnlGayi6nwthHUJldT4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a51a49bd77d29 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And if the O-ring did pass the opening that would create a path from the fluid circuits to the switch (which will not seal against the pressure - or at all). PDWA is an acronym for Pressure Differential Warning Actuator. If it did more than just light the light the acronym would be different. Great links. Dave In a message dated 5/27/2013 7:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time, fishplate@charter.net writes: > See http://www.vtr.org/maintain/pdwa.shtml - the piston is a constant > diameter. How would it shut off flow, without some careful positioning > of the o-ring, which shouldn't easily seal a round hole in the side of > the bore anyway. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 06:49:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E324043A for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 06:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E79403E2 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 06:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2226170069F38 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.209]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EB1CBE000082 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369745122; bh=E/ohytyEupqHoWcTO2hPLomWHMH1BhLkZQ6MCWyrBWA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HLNRVrjkmF5w7pWC3wZVmws1us0jxo5ijpfm4pBKakyTPecQjS+nSYrhngUFFfzSq E6ls5IiirD5PbOfry0mbRbLiA8uBwW7e3KdN/pjFGdplWjM7Xxqr2AC2MMcBvQzlBi C+i6Pf3dzzn7nwYi1kdomvMFhzWj1bUmLx6nfmpY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51a4a6e12f8b Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The wiring diagram looks right. A couple of quick questions: Can you hear the relays activate/deactivate when you operate the switch? If the relays are not working make sure you have 12 volts across the windings of the relays. (Just in case you didn't figure this out the little circles with the + signs are ground connections. It took me a few seconds to figure that out) Also make sure the relays are wired up correctly. If you swapped the winding and contact connections either nothing will happen or you will pop fuses. Also make sure the headlights themselves are grounded. Does the high beam indicator on the dash work? If you have a volt meter measure the light blue and/or purple wires where they connect to the relays. Put the other meter lead to ground. Do you get 12 volts there? Lastly (or maybe firstly), make sure the dipper switch is functional. Nothing will work it that is shot. Dave In a message dated 5/27/2013 8:48:36 PM Central Daylight Time, cfmtr3a@verizon.net writes: > > The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. > > > > See > http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitS > M > ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) > > > > I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the > switch. > > Checked the fuses - ok > > Checked juice from the switch - ok > > Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok > > > > But no lights. > > > > Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. > > Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from > ground > lead directly to battery - no difference. > > > > Anything wrong with my schematic? > > > > Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that > both relays are bad. > > > > Any insight is appreciated.. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 07:32:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422A840511 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A9F4043A for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MNI008P9G1Q0VE0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:27:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170190 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:27:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:27:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues - Thank you. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Dave, Randall, Greg, & George for the responses. I will spend some time checking the various suggestions over the next few days. I noticed on the schematic from Advanced Auto that the fuses are after the relays - I assume to protect the relays from shorting out. Is there an advantage to that since I'll be 'up there' anyway and wouldn't be a major issue in switching. Thanks again. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 05/27/13, Carl-TR wrote: The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. See http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the switch. Checked the fuses - ok Checked juice from the switch - ok Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok But no lights. Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from ground lead directly to battery - no difference. Anything wrong with my schematic? Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that both relays are bad. Any insight is appreciated.. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 09:07:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486AD4043A for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f170.google.com (mail-gh0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87EB403FC for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f170.google.com with SMTP id z10so2192946ghb.29 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=yN3wStqJ498t/6Dqc4KbpLTTYY0qUIAqzwylyd84nRQ=; b=MPt3PiexSIdUj94TlP7c35Y3UHrLw6RFO+H0vFTGAmVcQqAn1E5i01fdjA1nwLVxMb 78CJLnCJsdu2Z++f//twzgdLKh6Td1zjmLdAWSgxazLPXXaFhEBKHCI4OrV9GEFVAsZ+ PzKuVgx4LDBx+gJr17ysOOcQLsS9TpTsVhkSXyoXCRl7hiDsRpc82ffTsenKrd2X+tva qaxe7t85+6xEXvZQz9rSOelOTr0hzZ7uFWBkldgY7YtMuLFIyN2r4IYzcQyllSMVJDun /GJV3HeS6wBRLZPI20QdaoriYFbrbENwChXvjX1ajnTYm7GxOHh+vmw8VIU7cAWAqkLP afdg== n34mr16982735yhe.65.1369753405683; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.229.62.19] (130.sub-174-228-192.myvzw.com. [174.228.192.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d91sm46597336yhq.16.2013.05.28.08.03.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 May 2013 08:03:24 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jim Henningsen Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:03:22 -0400 To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great and thanks. Jim Sent from my iPad On May 28, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > I used a bead of rope calk in the seam. In other words apply the calk to > the surface that will contact the inner wing before installation so that the > calk will fill the gap excluding water. As you know, this is a three layer > metal sandwich that will wick up water and rust in spite of your efforts to > seal it off after the fact. Your best defense is 1) a good coat of paint on > all the surfaces (the factory only had primer on those surfaces) and B) a > sealant to exclude water. > > I did both and 17 years later I have no evidence of rust in those areas. > > Dave > > In a message dated 5/27/2013 6:55:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > trguy75@gmail.com writes: >> I am slowly getting my TR4 restoration project back together. The >> factory >> repair manual mentions using a sealant when installing the wings. Has >> anyone done that, if so, what did you use and what technique did you use. >> The manual mentions applying to seam after wing installed from underneath. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 10:02:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA09D40453 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75629403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 15:56:49 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 15:56:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 15:56:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 60048 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2013 15:56:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369756608; bh=G4bujYVmXeVOyevSLtjfQzc8IuxzpdIk/SEc7qwGv8s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w9vvbGg+98Ny2KMiEk8aHjhF6yyNOFfj6lgdsutaEoGnXzuwybmgIYppge9O34IWjQAt5AT3VKJnZVMN04n2SIFwcPpwZLPfE2vjxZdPi4A5pU7igSzqSpdfrAjqmh/OYy4J81QTiCcuDTWWT0jxSF9NdK3pgtWrkLRdAG1QouU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FZCEv31KkY465LG1SUd+4XTcrlub/5gVkSMONQW9lxT6GTVhzhZ0rM3h09xjlM7klrJQC7JeKqVJPwa6EIFgq9JAiA5lQe0uI2PMBGu9IDDPHdaIoXPOj+K+udcqmSgm33gF33ibQR99Qh4wZhnl0Oscin0Z+32nPoDXdX+A+lI=; ffiX1SBjwgZtN3mlS48g6Bsxpn3Vbp9imedGB4VkEwXgomqE9yfG5FNAaeBw YY4ouGOUs4s6fm7gyDfKpYR08bxTHupV7ipxo.LX8eWMB.GhiiQz3dtZG3yP bFWkZ9aKJV_xPWm_mMDuy.iRmvXEu2_MMG0pB4Ftsao82W5NiSbBXN7cvwUX LubZLni23lzZVhMBdBi.Nitw60UlycH.8EFTnQi6s29kXt6R9FGQ_PCi7EhN wemZZ.s_FT3YtBIOAcqQ.aORmDYwEIi0swB76oOPmey4UdyRRFPAQ1iSMPqO UL9dnGanOMuAj9xUoIeGhveeWCIZ1fUBfV.Q7d9vgy7t6LnjkoytVHL6I5PC WS6_Ge6lgk4Jdijl.az_80OYTo0irm1u_fi6xTofwFitrOLrfI2HlKZdCmRk mob_CYkAxrKfQYfHhOBtgKLSLTPeWkSybjMrLNKW_eE8Fc8oxZZ14 Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:56:48 PDT VGhlIG9pbCBiZWluZyBzdWNrZWQgb3V0IGhhcHBlbiB0byBSaWNoYXJkc29uIGF0IEphY29iZSAoc3ApLiAgSGUgaGFkIHRvbGQgdGhlbSBub3QgdG8gcnVuIHRoZSBlbmQgb2YgdGhlIHZlbnQgdHViZSB0aHJvdWdoIHRoZSB1bmRlci1zaGllbGQgYnV0IHRoZSBFbmdpbmVlcnMgaW5zaXN0ZWQuICBCeSB0aGUgZW5kIG9mIHRoZSBoaWdoIHNwZWVkIHJ1bnMgdGhlIG5lZ2F0aXZlIHByZXNzdXJlIGF0IHRoZSB0dWJlIGVuZCBoYWQgc3Vja2VkIG1vc3Qgb2YgdGhlIHZhcG9yaXNlZCBvaWwgb3V0LiAgDQoNClIBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] crank case ventilation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The oil being sucked out happen to Richardson at Jacobe (sp). He had told them not to run the end of the vent tube through the under-shield but the Engineers insisted. By the end of the high speed runs the negative pressure at the tube end had sucked most of the vaporised oil out. Richardson did not want to open the hood to fill with oil in front of the press but was told to give the reporters rides. He managed to do that without ruining the engine by carefully driving the car spiritedly. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:51:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA8040453 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7BD403C5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lx15so7599393lab.24 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:47:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=pXfG4kfY3F5toCH9WyzUPLrAkHCopy3FJ1/vHD5GvzA=; b=ARmZWhGxxyQk0LyLah8ZZqOLO0ILZffjN77sZDh+/gjRpM1G/ogK+SBEpqLsxHJnmR +IFQFdcJGiFYcGQqpxHkYBKiFTPRC0zhn8Yl+xyH8HlastdFxfviK1WXJ7a7r50YSTa5 /aPxj/FFNawrTtYz6gzDXgbh9jT/YMV8EXuRlCdjt1E+OR/4TDQxeuN0L9jY4pYTpHW5 rn02sza4Gr4QJW2dlxr5vU2c0+NR/keMIL5WNAfCPYEIWBaD45JTCXeycc9r8vLQbh+M 1xwT+/DQWoPlR2HJTdoWDwFXZncPQUPucEwFF77shRFQQJZKyKCAm1KndwWPkL0hgIHz 5hNQ== pe10mr16888648lbb.54.1369763252503; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:47:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <8897BADD-C353-4201-A367-D42B876CB4C9@gmail.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:47:12 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Fender Attachment TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone make trim that has stainless tabs vs steel? My TR4 tabs have started to rust and leave streaks down the inside of the door jambs. Too long ago to remember if I used any sealant.... I did use some seam sealer to close up some gaps in the engine compartment..... Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:57:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E13D40511 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:57:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284BC40079 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DI261KOhk0sA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=E8bI0fUHPxj_kHa8lM0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:36793] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B6/CF-16585-31FE4A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 17:53:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:53:23 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Carl TR Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues - Thank you. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Carl TR wrote: > I noticed on the schematic from Advanced Auto that the fuses are after the relays - I assume to protect the relays from shorting out. > Is there an advantage to that since I'll be 'up there' anyway and wouldn't be a major issue in switching. Opinions will vary (I believe Dan's original setup didn't fuse the headlight wiring at all). Mine is that the fuses (or better yet circuit breakers) are best placed as close as possible to the power source; meaning your setup is fine in that respect. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 13:53:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2564044C for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560B0400A5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4348F700747C9 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dba002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dba002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.70]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C845E000088 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 76.254.10.95 by webmail-vd012.sysops.aol.com (205.188.178.105) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 28 May 2013 15:43:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369770233; bh=kGMw/1cF4pe/H915cyqppnL322j+w5pHO7j584cOX4s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VWyn5HLEZXJdRjC9cfMNiBEGDghfGtXTJzukW+2w8TJFOO3GMuZEk5cIfE9OrgMvz HbD+1J9+AqJY6HLZmWQuDiDTGlGPfif2Z0F0lhjtXqxQ0LZ4ngPcIrEgAOgJ0yXo8H JsLUTjDaiH6T01qb23qcXIb8gAUP2QouNa1coH/8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c851a508f65333 Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just my experience.. noticed broken 'main leaf' on my TR4 rear driver-side spring when looking for a funny noise around 1984... Removed both passenger and driver side rear springs and brought to a local company called "US Spring" (in Calif.) that still repairs a lot of passenger and truck springs each year. They simply disassembled the one with broken leaf and crafted a new leaf and then reassembled. When I jump up and down on the uninstalled springs, the driver one is a little stiffer .. which is how factory made them in later TR production (maybe starting around TR3A). The rebuilt spring looked great to me and I was able to put about 5 years driving on it before removing them for my ground up restoration. I will be installing them again, although I may do the 'teflon sheets between leaves' trick, which I've heard enhances flexing. Good luck, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 What is the collective wisdom on re-using leaf springs ? I am restoring a TR3 which I acquired disassembled with springs which look like they were cleaned and repainted. I have heard everything from "always replace" to "stand on them and if they don't hit the ground, you're OK" ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 21:21:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61804054D for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D653940452 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id bv13so6542096pdb.12 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:16:55 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=9V8hKHKP6VVIPEO4VldWjwiUcrbUN+aH+xp6a2CI4GQ=; b=AW9SFMwAa0DVAZtTK/oqdjBxsnpSHdsXpOYwIRZ9FrW98VLi6aqDm1o/6uEpemV0de P/tok/rpgCAiV1no47x+ADGz7aDDFNr/w8F8ixMw7VQ0XU5soJdDZbY7XSXNoDVqaUSa NBoTxUEFbEmHeCKWZO3e2lJSLduZtRhQEHh6B9Ga0EYh+oMh1sQtyWYQgnh53AHy94J0 pxdFsWvULNZV9Dq8jc1440K+7g2TpYYkuRkSnGrb+TP4Q2JsOd22lsFmtUDGf2J+fDr4 uU3vmwBiweY1LERq02EDVwVYtOQ9d0Bv1kabN5lEp3aduNR4/8cc2kjyXMAX0EhSPTA9 LVBw== lp7mr1213212pab.208.1369797415402; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xl10sm37814895pac.15.2013.05.28.20.16.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 May 2013 20:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:16:52 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8D029F2CF5BD811-F34-29E4C@webmail-vd012.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/28/13 12:43 PM, Carl Sereda wrote: > I will be installing them again, although I may do the 'teflon sheets between > leaves' trick, which I've heard enhances flexing. > For a couple minutes yes. To minimize the friction between the individual leaves. I like UHMW (ultra-high molecular weight) Polyethylene plastic. This plastic provides a low friction surface, similar to Teflon tape, but with a much higher abrasion and puncture resistance. It was designed specifically for commercial use on chutes, packaging lines, slides, and anywhere high pressure metal to metal sliding contact occurs. It also provides sound dampening, eliminating squeaks and rattles caused by adjacent parts movement. The plastic's temperature range is -40 to +225 degrees F. You disassemble the spring pack and stick the tape to the top side of each individual leaf, except for the top leaf of course. This tape virtually eliminates the friction between adjacent leaves in the leaf pack and dramatically increases the spring's ability to react to bumps in the road. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 02:52:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA5C42788 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 02:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.farmside.co.nz (mx1.farmside.co.nz [118.82.130.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D6942777 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 02:49:17 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=118.82.148.217; Received: from AshleysPC (unverified [118.82.148.217]) by farmside.co.nz (mail) with ESMTP id 26204659-1739096 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:45:15 +1200 From: "ashleys" To: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:45:08 +1200 Subject: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi! I need to fit AEK113 oil seals to my TR6 Head. Can this be done with the head still fitted on block by compressed air to hold up valve for removal of cap and collets. I am sure with roller rockers with the wide arm oil is flooding the top of the collar and getting passed the collets. If the air not suitable what other trick one can do. Thanks ashley ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 04:24:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F804277A for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 04:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984842779 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 04:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNK000FY1XVDH50@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 May 2013 05:17:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "ashleys" , References: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 06:18:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the past, personally I've used about 5-8 ft of 1/4" nylon rope, fed down into the sparkplug hole, rotate the engine the compress the rope up against the valves to hold them in place. The issue though is the type of valve spring compressor you need to use to remove the collets. I built my own long lever tool that bolted to the rocker stud as a leverage point compress the valve allowing the collets cap and spring to be removed. There are off-the-shelf spring compressor avail that look and work a bit like steering wheel puller or large C-clamp.... two fingers that hook the spring, and as you tighten the large screw, two fingers that push the cap down. GEM is one manufacture of that type..... source to purchase?...you'll have to dig around the internet,,,, can't remember off hand here. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashleys" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:45 AM Subject: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. > Hi! I need to fit AEK113 oil seals to my TR6 Head. Can this be done with > the > head still fitted on block by compressed air to hold up valve for removal > of > cap and collets. > I am sure with roller rockers with the wide arm oil is flooding the top of > the > collar and getting passed the collets. > If the air not suitable what other trick one can do. > > Thanks > ashley > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 04:43:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290EE42794 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 04:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84164277B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 04:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id o10so8842705lbi.36 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 03:39:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=kPjPi59iXc0kH1xNvvTbU97VJ773xP38BJbG1WaYZQQ=; b=QxNn32B4EEdGDel8klDCI5MyMTXljQeXCV/zghAeqLH1DvPnTkkYcujgKRmOFm/pwp LgCGQAXUcI8GqOicVnadwL0NbRbjK9TeGxq9OiruIDPess3qJYj3iPPLNrqUYe+KBhDy ZH1i9Tv+YDP2+NBozeoyUI1paClQFdJuigoJd3RQS6b8N8y6sgVWWvk0eyRatCnuGuT6 VY81vaMQluhpfhtGWuipHK5DPEjgsM4tKBASCAJ7ZizsoUYJKtXjYVbRB4R1K6J5x5tP Pe+J4vtn914wC/92ixfHrpsaC+RY3Kd6xQAZwUwSNugRFU9/5y7XUKKmZrpncAkaGzAJ VZ4g== gd7mr1308833lbc.26.1369823961278; Wed, 29 May 2013 03:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 03:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 06:39:01 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to put together a group buy on TR2/TR3 long neck aluminum radiators from a company called RadiatorWarranty on Ebay. Does anyone have their direct email address? Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 06:43:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21034427E1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 06:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6350427BD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 06:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.90.217.adsl.snet.net [69.0.90.217]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MGAqF-1UcOBk1tQN-00ELzK; Wed, 29 May 2013 08:39:30 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Chris Simo" , "list Triumph" References: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:39:28 -0400 679K+jDvM3Yq9nXaWKdr6o47FjDuP+2Vfx4qyde83EX2CQ+m1L TIRjnAG2HEK4orssOEAmZDRDd/cDRAiSnK7o8dp6wngyZipDow lAK+SuaQHB7RY6JBLhePTuymKv6q1U4gvTnhs4Zh1CVSwr1Di6 4J4XL/1U8/9AEM7LjlHGBmecUDnBFh4ACqf+hRTri1eNTZDLa0 emdISDvhzjXRyn+UpOTUy1OE24OaKEsoHMFvXweZBK5axvDlnz ktWbzWPPXINFPpVgE0nDWPF+6mSpwyiGCy5bHwd0RXzgA5NgHQ NM/z5LYk5TWaGeVL0wbvENsJdvtExiKF44fs9yrB/ Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just go to any of their eBay listings and toward the bottom is an "Ask Seller" link. Open up the response box and select the topic Other and ask them your question and request an email address. That's how I've done it in the past. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Chris Simo Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:39 AM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? I'm trying to put together a group buy on TR2/TR3 long neck aluminum radiators from a company called RadiatorWarranty on Ebay. Does anyone have their direct email address? Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 09:19:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ED6427D4 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB00340557 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=z7V2ke4926MA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=iQrL85CRT98A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=YTK8Oo8tRVkQ5iAenp8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50968] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id A9/36-01584-67B16A15; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:15:02 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "ashleys" , References: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:18:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ashley, The answer is yes.. That is if you can find one of the little gizmos that screws into the spark plug hole with an air chuck on the other end. You also need a air compressor. I have used one in the past.. many, many years ago. As I remember, it worked pretty well. You might be able to make one using an old spark plug and a air hose fitting but that would take a welder or brazing outfit. See how the tools keep piling up? Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS Almost running after 13 years http://home.fuse.net/davest4A ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashleys" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:45 AM Subject: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. > Hi! I need to fit AEK113 oil seals to my TR6 Head. Can this be done with > the > head still fitted on block by compressed air to hold up valve for removal > of > cap and collets. > I am sure with roller rockers with the wide arm oil is flooding the top of > the > collar and getting passed the collets. > If the air not suitable what other trick one can do. > > Thanks > ashley > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 09:54:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E74427ED for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD38C40557 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 15:43:24 -0000 Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 15:43:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 15:43:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 58609 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2013 15:43:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369842203; bh=oOseqGedSCe8ZhtLciLEuMAJLex0PG0ueUsjj1EoMug=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bFcbJZjJoZPHKm46WJBLjphnD5tHDBV/qlYV9cBgASIR8q15kIWYsf8KF4Y67dmXiosgM2fWSddgVRgWLg42ygUpnwL5FgenvJd1ddu209KAPz6mxQMqbIoMTeZ6nk2Jh6ST0GBMRnEd5YOF0EscX1oruKRCADkL9B7OqL7SDxs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4PavLtjmyEN+55NhIQpIZhDOobJL+i90Frr4f4XcQnII3QV/0yrZGVmc3HvqOGR/ogYk6Hpw1IcWDk3rQFPNmh6kYfdT+vuPi7H3NY13opLAKb9o8FKfO4gukgUnmuGkZXDvFF1eq4QNE5oNQZyQPKIHFs2FWaUrTQxZ7Zt2QPo=; hcYGFRfpfMAlR3cl9EkQ5xCnriotaV3QvSn.P5l3Tr3am5wOtCShJlRwIL_m vZbb9hNFXlCPq0fvgjIf.n3mZpi4zNsQK_lDRB7_F.5MfO0h9ovuUuq1V5Pv iFwSjXPRXHPneKGcencmGj2pGkTtpSrQzWQly6fd.TCdz_sSteBfLEnpQnsw eiTe5mEFzboJC5NKCRjkfXc79fX0fSmqgFVFc0FRMcl6ZD9XYGSYPqOe845j LWCkNP4PULgVL6vF_t.4ZXTE9swYWAQWOJpvNUYuJnigayX6hP8GzL5LYWKn AO7Gl4x7PH.m1XOuYgf3W8P6D4Kjjo1.Ed0Ytfti0QYgnv6LyrF43ZP0ff8e IBsvcFYWxIYvnY.g8GN4qshvK3.UMAA.5eVwpb.XGRqY.tsl1g5KPllVa41J dPzjO1AQKf1HlAld9zemHz1U74hGSg2y4c1wvNaixPT4USLtbbyZwbKpB4ZZ 99DstnjWZ_QHiMClAWYmI5rZLs8k691zKvqvnBdn9f8PdJ5yCyk9nA6gO4Id AK8a3QjlTgktihdWE6q.RkZmsf1TWgBYbWhdTJw_EMovdfwfb3pH67j.2bGT p0gSpBtEwlM9XrUb2OQ7gLLYOiji.2oP8a1BERzZR48X0NzBQ3DqIN4pV Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 08:43:23 PDT Sm9obgppIGhhdmUgc2FtZSBwcm9ibGVtLgppIGhhdmUgdG8gdGFrZSBvdXQgb25lIG9mIHRoZSBib2x0cyB0aGF0IGhvbGQgbXkgYWx0ZXJuYXRvciB0byB0aGUgYmxvY2sgYW5kIHRoZW4gc2xpcCB0aGUgYmVsdCBvdmVyIHRoZSBwdWxsZXkuCnRoZW4gaSBnZXQgdG8gcHVzaCB0aGUgYWx0ZXJuYXRvciBiYWNrIGFuZCByZSBhdHRhY2ggdGhlIGJvbHQuIHJlcXVpcmVzIHNvbWUgdXNlIG9mIG9sZCBTYXhvbiB3b3JkcyBhbmQgc2NvdGNoCsKgCkZyYW5rCgpGcm9tOiBKb2huIFdpc2UgPHRyM2EuNjBAZ21haWwBMAEBAQE- References: <0236F748-A281-49F1-B60D-546D2C068AE7@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: John Wise , car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John i have same problem. i have to take out one of the bolts that hold my alternator to the block and then slip the belt over the pulley. then i get to push the alternator back and re attach the bolt. requires some use of old Saxon words and scotch Frank From: John Wise To: car discussion Sports Triumph Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:30 AM Subject: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again I could not get the belt suggested by my last inquiry at my friendly local auto parts store. So I ordered the best belt offered by Moss (Flennor 20x0900LI) to replace the failed belt on my alternator equipped 1960 TR3A. It does not come close in length, even when prying it as suggested in their instructions. It was probably intended for the much narrower generator. I forgot that difference in width would limit the amount it could be adjusted. Duh Does anyone have any other suggestions for a pulley belt that will fit a TR3A with an alternator? Thanks John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 09:54:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B899242827 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E97140562 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:49:37 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1369842334; x=1370447134; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=3cDBABA7A3ZIS++ci4bn3u7fZkTE4SdENZJnn2Ufp+M=; b=RUU dxJI9+xscBMFnLFRGgRgil3lWrsrEANv3QgilOI8X0ITel2iMMhhLkmedOc3i8vJ xcu4axGMYNzD1Mf5fiBaGUNDVCRhWpip1GfsMN3/+Wx6xHQ0vUkRGn0ccEMXmBEt NC5RlMVnAIGxiPe9Pg7npUmP2s3ReonwyZBMxU6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=TkahwqPlFQBbb2E8/iyGfQj0h2e6OphLvjjYwpywUAlYCmomnsjnnespHb8u UsIS2fsJbWg8arJb5P79+cTbrSONpbO6BqSe+CQ4nNgVvsTGdGzuGttRS ZBK7dpp7H/Ci0BcNssgcXHfO5VsezySQQmXc1+6X+nZ+ZgeDiZGrh4=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 59-md50000134404.msg for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:45:33 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:50:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've never understood how leaf springs don't just build up a dust layer between the leaves and then sand (abrade) themselves down to wafers in no time. Always thought they must need a boot to avoid the problem, but having seen many large dump trucks with huge leaf springs that spend their days in dirt and dust, I guess it isn't so. Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: May-28-13 11:17 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs On 5/28/13 12:43 PM, Carl Sereda wrote: > I will be installing them again, although I may do the 'teflon sheets between > leaves' trick, which I've heard enhances flexing. > For a couple minutes yes. To minimize the friction between the individual leaves. I like UHMW (ultra-high molecular weight) Polyethylene plastic. This plastic provides a low friction surface, similar to Teflon tape, but with a much higher abrasion and puncture resistance. It was designed specifically for commercial use on chutes, packaging lines, slides, and anywhere high pressure metal to metal sliding contact occurs. It also provides sound dampening, eliminating squeaks and rattles caused by adjacent parts movement. The plastic's temperature range is -40 to +225 degrees F. You disassemble the spring pack and stick the tape to the top side of each individual leaf, except for the top leaf of course. This tape virtually eliminates the friction between adjacent leaves in the leaf pack and dramatically increases the spring's ability to react to bumps in the road. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 10:57:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6BE427C8 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com (mail-la0-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BE74054F for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id fs12so8916590lab.35 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:40:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=CtXfZ2AYvcY7O1qlaeOqzWTGMdU+DB5jlTnoMyyUfeM=; b=dBIIgDYzS+7gnOqsPBM6LOUFeslPZiRAXR/bRG5JJPEKhh0oJyWF4DRRYdRY1/f1qG 4WBRujpCtlRQfHV9bNToWz1gwh9iKiDgehzyw0lWJ4L4AkAax6NgE3GUMfH2t2g1CLAK ++w9twHWm1IoBDtjmnn3nuHPDktKIKsFLbVioJjH+k8k7UWjC1E0XN8K/wQ0ZPjMFrXU N2pPRkeOagFV+6ZAzwKo+o8ZyN08KNkTbD5HxwDIzSbUi+XfW13Wx0/yp7JnZLV2wzgu sbXWUkvao49Ltdjdr+bpt3pkl172Ob+MsGbAY7ggAp+agqzAKWr5KoDxEyxVYsgFoUOM 3Svg== zf5mr1967730lbb.59.1369845619376; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:39:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <16CE7D44D20B4DB1A2BFABEAF55B4864@BobDell> From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:39:59 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bob, But I'm trying to contact outside EBAY channels. EBAY frowns on people using ebay to work deals outside of ebay - it seems to affect their revenue.... They don't allow email addresses in the contact seller messages. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 11:12:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D564C42716 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6E44003E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 16:57:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 16:57:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 16:57:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369846674; bh=7M5gq/mgahiZrwTQ7JL8VzvHWmtuYqf9tbbauwWrB1k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=QEeBg0h/O0Ne5deRFSr8EhnuZ6HPv/Asbn/CnHmade9vGmthxQA/ROrYVV+SmulxlIyS5TVJveDRkmOZrkR6KfHBqxz8MgTxtKEz8AM1hKuwj9sZ2mBpsxfsvNsmA5HNMpwyGCmZJ/gaRFBpYuyXenUc9OGpfZTzwyj50DFSCwI= 1Zn1wTPR_qxMmfbKBEdmPi7FXXcAdeL8QL9BMm6JpFrYTiHE3H6un.XsHCto EtTLqKhAFBiTRCYvj_6mgsv.yjHvIaIMjS3dBNEmlbJzaDsF40Z4VCVrVfyv aJ3RFqNl1DE9jxMmAcDGb2qdE4ezlqbBWt.mHsAnC5Gzv0k7VVMNdW0yfc6O KMvlj5Sua31OOzdEVtt3bkPd3JRJbpxdRLO7wihHWU7bFOd8sYQRJZgSPbpY BQLR5Py1_tpcPvv_SLZg64GSS7Mr1bVI5AK3D6BOw8O5J.kAErEit6J4Q3Jt VgybGzE.Wj7.sffk2IUn2r.CcyMFKGnJ7Z2p6iPEr7IZZy8oXDnu4YRW8awM lZy6KBE8rGMQeE9v7Toudc49A1lBTANI8WjiTz5l4qXSqP0chZQEzrlyn8ha _Tor9uCD6FH7TpCRZpHrxquuCRHhOw4d6vXpUeku6Y1HxZZTRwkIQ61fB_n7 M1hRp3YvtRj_346_swo_fakrDlydHbyWWzHT3rP9_iFp3CcqUYj29yCwOBNQ O7l9TwAJjlG7HMQChtATilazi1AO.rHEZUvoM8X8M5_YJb3opqN8o48wPbDp .K8rG4UpPig-- smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2013 09:57:54 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: <16CE7D44D20B4DB1A2BFABEAF55B4864@BobDell> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:57:52 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5cjQe4mQQh+veqROyshiFX794RzAAAJJLQ Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How about a phone number or web address? Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:40 AM To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Thanks Bob, But I'm trying to contact outside EBAY channels. EBAY frowns on people using ebay to work deals outside of ebay - it seems to affect their revenue.... They don't allow email addresses in the contact seller messages. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 11:12:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B6240562 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AAF403DD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z5so9328754lbh.27 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=YYLjNA/DoglVrIga80+M6alW/CxEAhMkATxDixDreok=; b=hmw9bkaLAI3WYy+LrmdUO+q6XwxlS5cHO44n88zJ7/L+oGukb1bJuWB3bWnHnDw0FI o+uVQPJGuUfU9y+AR3ZgR5nY79DHKzwQLMpyh4iGNESfv08UefgTN66Pw/mHsghAR4GR esslcRhN1zxEz7rU/kz80JWUjJz9ebVlJKVUqEFy2jT09hBXXPNAauIH7z7ahwZH33gR 0SqhJS2SoMhR5/xy83BbCTbyDGoG0RIduSXj3SJDPkaXRVv2vEMpXs/UMOjaKNzAMYwz tXc3/g0cILmae38SP/3F/gXhWCFdGV/1KdJ5mL5+1SZ62MhNJaBM29Qerks1/uGwzQ2J 8PsA== i5mr2078150lbj.17.1369847165232; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:05:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <16CE7D44D20B4DB1A2BFABEAF55B4864@BobDell> From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:05:44 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I will have to try that. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 11:27:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9140E42779 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B677440326 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id er20so8764113lab.5 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=U6qoYQQqyZCbVEccllbJlHpG5kBgj4kbt1c8QAvRbRE=; b=tXDRyj8P0H0azf/P+3QKZcXO63FD5EsLUhfIdgCo+Dxh7ex2P4ryoytx1zp5anRYbT 60u/ZEcr8SjIrxxIq8YwkqCVqTodUP6l+9rJjIVnh1ZukF31Z1YUJBqchLBpn09ebjdw Fxk+vtmn1Sr6lizoqEdyR2uywRU7UPECvXea5mI1C1BRK2Uep9YEE1CSKqK2dEw+xKRV ZF34esIUvu/Ne+exC3YdONWLB2zx4H3qNklQn0t3dPGA4SzRb1DXBEy+Lgpp2lEbCdtQ P6prIcEWFx4oMcnh0YCtxv91C7+t3CGQVSEHpiqTSuWGKiOI2H4jPiSx9oJC7d1L2ERA v13A== i5mr2088764lbj.17.1369847485347; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:11:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <0236F748-A281-49F1-B60D-546D2C068AE7@gmail.com> <1369842203.46754.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:11:05 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A alternator belt again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Me too -- I would take the water pump pully off until I used that locktite product to close up the tolerance between the pulley and the shaft. Now it's pull the bolt on the bottom of the alternator slip the belt on and reverse the dissassembly process. Usually no scotch or other lubricant required. Make sure you line up the alternator with those other pully's really well. Those pressed metal pulley's on the crank develop stress cracks and fly apart. I had one go - and dug out all my spares and after media blasting all of them had cracks. Finally found one on my spare motor that was crack free. Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 11:44:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D0E42831 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D8840541 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hoXZ1l0031GXsucAFtbpGX; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:35:49 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id htbo1l00a2xZMJ48Utboiu; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:35:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 17:35:48 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" s=q20121106; t=1369848949; bh=KSBz/xR+TWaIH8y8G/2xpTd3+AUHfbd9x+hDbOeqdgM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=B4LYUoN3sh3uIG8yA9QkCtNFeGbjI16JP0zTZ6GFryKUSrqKEQFYt5Z+N4c4zdEXu MUh/Xc2nm6Wk4beYjbAm6zAXCY+qOrDCeomXVvTLLdUeN64Zb6cm6PDm//+xcykBwP yyoINVZtHW4VbN8GrdMxJ9l5BAikbPvQ063tEBiOqnO30xGlAEpj8b2Wn+qNji/PVl 2WWz+BWYfNXA2j5L6V//9G6Kxt5rb8P4Ia0E+B3CsWOKnwMdkj8xJcjPWhw05OTG5o HJ2W/Li308oofSRaBjkZmyW1YQxeO7KwHAQm1SwCi/SNTKETk07a08z8YAqr2e4mme XO2B5UaflW31g== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Teriann and others, The tape idea seams like a good plan, but I think you might be creating a possible squish problem with a relatively soft material between the leafs. I would think that the tape can collapse a bit under the axle and between the U-bolts. This might be evident if the U-bolts can be further tightened later on. I've read that even a thick coat of paint between the leafs can cause problems and should be avoided. Google leaf spring rebuilding. I disassemble the springs on my TR3, cleaned them, repainted the leafs separately with a light coat of paint then scuffed them with a Scotch Brite pad where they contact each other, applied a little bit of high pressure grease between the leafs and reassemble them. I also dressed the sharp edge at the end of each leaf with a sanding disc to limit the gouging that occurs. That's my 2 cents. I think they are working beautifully. I also installed the ARE axle locating kit, this is a great product. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:16:52 PM Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs On 5/28/13 12:43 PM, Carl Sereda wrote: > I will be installing them again, although I may do the 'teflon sheets between > leaves' trick, which I've heard enhances flexing. > For a couple minutes yes. To minimize the friction between the individual leaves. I like UHMW (ultra-high molecular weight) Polyethylene plastic. This plastic provides a low friction surface, similar to Teflon tape, but with a much higher abrasion and puncture resistance. It was designed specifically for commercial use on chutes, packaging lines, slides, and anywhere high pressure metal to metal sliding contact occurs. It also provides sound dampening, eliminating squeaks and rattles caused by adjacent parts movement. The plastic's temperature range is -40 to +225 degrees F. You disassemble the spring pack and stick the tape to the top side of each individual leaf, except for the top leaf of course. This tape virtually eliminates the friction between adjacent leaves in the leaf pack and dramatically increases the spring's ability to react to bumps in the road. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 12:00:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6586B4281B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE5742807 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.90.217.adsl.snet.net [69.0.90.217]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MDQkX-1Ueez91Mar-00H6n9; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:45:57 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Chris Simo" , "list Triumph" References: <16CE7D44D20B4DB1A2BFABEAF55B4864@BobDell> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:45:56 -0400 C9ay14/4UTbDd1897bKma+92ddDfKObaMdwfNLMwVhTTipNZT/ 7U15NORp0QJrJnhqnA4HN/jqI9LJP7tQ4wNXCuRrFZfwW9jyfe AFLZtvzZdAz0AfFp05Qr1BpNu5i4xGfHxq8JjaZBzXBieCu2CV qmp2ufMYQAt58NiC5Mgzay8vRYWL8b5IKyoktd2fy8QQNQdfSg 0dhLZZyQAm0qMIWG02sIk1Y3SM6CfShNR0QXk/J9vaKqiPmwed 2fqxiIQhRsoj57Tv8CStcuA7Jr+m8zjokdJM4c8ACgGqdawRk3 nOn2DXddU4lsZc8XTKMwKBjoLS4VYeUREN2BPfgdn Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know that but the seller is usually more than willing to contact you if you give them your email address. BTW.... I did a group buy on a custom 14 gallon aluminum gas tank that I designed. I found a company in Florida that does nothing but custom aluminum tanks for cars, planes and boats. On a $475 tank, the sale price was $425 and 15 guys bought one. Rather than me handling any money we set it up that anyone who ordered directly from the shop in a 10 day buying period got that price. They had to put down a $100 deposit with the balance due on shipping. It's far more economical for the shop to do a 15 tank production run that than to do 1 or 2 at a time. You don't want to get in the middle of handling the money! Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Chris Simo Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:39 PM To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator warranty on EBAY - anyone got their email address? Thanks Bob, But I'm trying to contact outside EBAY channels. EBAY frowns on people using ebay to work deals outside of ebay - it seems to affect their revenue.... They don't allow email addresses in the contact seller messages. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:01:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE92C40519 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C99A40424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so9213934pdi.31 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:30:56 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=6fXD+g0gO9jEc/1ky3f5H+zdVft+SviG9g04QGtIunI=; b=XaoZHpF2DMYXBgzQr72iTkwcQ+m0IKMe4Qdbr/r7MX1xSYrRRmiL68jH3EcVmw+YKP /l7gCmJNc1C9lJt9A608xbM3syu2MAmOqngKel8EL555MHoD6kzCwe9NhKxD35sk5x3u IlocIu91cPhOooa4EXlT1UiGpdBPabWlmIHfJFlp94uFUyazM9FFyUJ2uaA09GUOLlBa YPHVCoRDDP2ZTeyDxv/u15pmuZAa29SD7REtabmUFF2iGG0Axbrzs8f2F5z0uRZ7wyHz dq8dB4NiI7BhbktL1HUnXp/Kgb+qz9PMMmn0tRMVWpHuyHON4fJcbP1hLlsfyHVt6YUT pFyw== qy1mr4265327pbc.85.1369852256862; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l16sm10160134pag.22.2013.05.29.11.30.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 11:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:30:53 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: davehogye References: <1743938702.2383226.1369848948709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/29/13 10:35 AM, davehogye wrote: > Hello Teriann and others, > The tape idea seams like a good plan, but I think you might be > creating a possible squish problem with a relatively soft material > between the leafs. I would think that the tape can collapse a bit > under the axle and between the U-bolts. I have had sheets of UHMW plastic between the spring leaves under my long wheelbase Land Rover for over almost 15 years now and they are still there and my ride is softer than it would be with new springs. TeriAnn > > To minimize the friction between the individual leaves. I like UHMW > (ultra-high molecular weight) Polyethylene plastic. > > This plastic provides a low friction surface, similar to Teflon tape, > but with a much higher abrasion and puncture resistance. It was designed > specifically for commercial use on chutes, packaging lines, slides, and > anywhere high pressure metal to metal sliding contact occurs. It also > provides sound dampening, eliminating squeaks and rattles caused by > adjacent parts movement. The plastic's temperature range is -40 to +225 > degrees F. > ... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:32:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09394273F for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC62E40424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d23-16-25-27.bchsia.telus.net ([23.16.25.27] helo=[192.168.1.70]) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UhliB-00084B-BV for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:07:03 +0000 http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:06:56 -0700 From: Allan Reich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 - Front Axle Upgrade kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings: My TR6 has the Front Axle Upgrade Kit , available from a number of suppliers, installed by previous owner. These are the kits that include an extension that fits over the axle between the inner and outer bearings to consolidate the axles and the bearings (an example is Moss 661-293). I discovered this after I blew a front bearing and took everything apart. I replaced both side's front bearing sets (inner, outer, including races) but had trouble on each. I found set-up instructions on the web. When doing the fit without the seals, the passenger side was loose without any shims, so I just removed the stiffners and set up as normal bearings. When doing the driver side, it set up well with two shims without the seal. When I put the tire rotates but with lots of effort. I have a few questions: 1. Who makes these kits and can I contact them with questions? 2. Can I machine down the loose extender to make it tighter and where would I find shims? 3. Will the driver side loosen up over time and act normally? Allan Reich 1975 TR6 CF30255U (+O) Vancouver, Canada ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:19:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B024240551 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDBA403F1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id t59so6647019wes.2 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nFm4bW7TSL6osdWDfK+x9fMPIPINThocFvDNF5M3E+s=; b=KQ2WoQ6tLdiSWyKs+UCyuPdxMk02m/o/FJGXu0dcLXO40pkhQ0uJ5jPJMLtON3SC3i yOPvtWo6wzetWsLFsptjydUau8SEmml7gONgEk7+qxZ9QSUhv6vtZml+1INc6EnEjH2i b3fz292sjPBeH6JZkJuvMmOFqUNO+qy2KEL1DzbsMbC23pJX2gLEk29lRT9c/gybASxi i8owW9gNQBeK9vYc5u6tp0z3FXF6tAjc+fuUSDvsRebFXhdC8MWyFz19+9WgXLI+Rk/i 1/dPVwoqvpScSZIFQpTJtmU3ePmad+UM3FufEWMpwyTxC83IJj/e68DkB45NRkcuBiZe MoqA== lp16mr2103094wic.43.1369856727279; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.63.140 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <51A651D0.1030100@telus.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:45:27 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Allan Reich Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - Front Axle Upgrade kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Contact Tony Drews at tony@tonydrews.com. His father Jack designed this kit, and Tony can provide you with the directions as well as replacement shims if you want/need them. When properly set up, this kit eliminates brake pad knockback, which is a common TR issue after hard cornering. Your wheel that is hard to turn is not set up properly and you'll end up toasting another bearing. NFI. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U (with the front axle spacer kit) Highland Park, IL On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Allan Reich wrote: > Greetings: > My TR6 has the Front Axle Upgrade Kit , available from a number of > suppliers, installed by previous owner. These are the kits that include an > extension that fits over the axle between the inner and outer bearings to > consolidate the axles and the bearings (an example is Moss 661-293). > I discovered this after I blew a front bearing and took everything apart. > I replaced both side's front bearing sets (inner, outer, including races) > but had trouble on each. > I found set-up instructions on the web. > When doing the fit without the seals, the passenger side was loose without > any shims, so I just removed the stiffners and set up as normal bearings. > When doing the driver side, it set up well with two shims without the > seal. When I put the tire rotates but with lots of effort. > I have a few questions: > 1. Who makes these kits and can I contact them with questions? > 2. Can I machine down the loose extender to make it tighter and where > would I find shims? > 3. Will the driver side loosen up over time and act normally? > Allan Reich > 1975 TR6 CF30255U (+O) > Vancouver, Canada > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/emanteno@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:36:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6724053D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBC04006F for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:01:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:01:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:01:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369857674; bh=ccl+WLL8H8ozl7jqIeQZhmUw9wbXqzX2Ux9zvrNZyYM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=0sxgoLoLQSjK9WQBsRIBI6Cl7UeOmTuwwjcPseuXakpffOIKDNOkK+aAZDkfr77BOmnQGLE0PlhjsbPFhc8/0AtLzDXOvbhsQWD1o7IkbSBVwGMuvUIW42dzBdY/8oGzbnshb84T8VCHX7Jwoyis78Y9H8JFiYkhfX5xeupkbag= pmSt1ZgBFFNtUXHGtb9slp.TgUFtJomP3lSIOoND6F.hAVNu.eEvcE6gM49j tL2kPgeIjD4S.yzSTrsOx4eVfZUi.NDK5DbLR.lXag6nzhJq22MTrvhwxNaw mnlvab7bAClvBNXXCCPCjDoXg7jwk1TtwJhDfOMNhAwVMi4pn0mh_RtXVqCy 97Y4z5_gdb8btQj6WxxB1jxvXxkHL8tBHMGCGDq3MuNnWnHPahJ23dVjoUh6 4Oka5IiGWOczAuZjEg7V7NjTY._aDVA7jllBIKTZ_.PHzVZ9yc4oNbXz7Zhw k_8MsA5jBmTyphB229Bk4y0UiAXqXDcBP_Yq_KfJVu_56pLkWZcrL9fCUxix 44JxHWQ57eqrahtJAlGG1kiM.WO7h9kWGaq2Pkt9q3XT8MFJkik7xZDfZ4uJ bvbOETlkUJXVG5kKS6YwUwav6Fm7NE_alLtB6.An35oz1ptfBGxWlmAKnP0H SbLYB2naxuZWa8ezGvuHgLASFSPYvmiYe35rJOhkEGoXQjRox_Ei_RwMMn1u nNs613wA7xeYmUtRu8MmqeSMP3VENgeGZ smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2013 13:01:14 -0700 PDT From: To: "'list Triumph'" Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:01:24 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5cp0qEcjAF0RgQSuyi4Sv8/4vAKw== Subject: [TR] TR3 Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As I now have the TR3B to the "Chassis Complete" stage and am waiting on the body shop I am thinking of other things I can do. I have determined that an anti-sway bar might be a good upgrade at reasonable cost, but I have never shopped for nor installed one before. What is the List consensus on sway bars? Front vs Rear, should I do both? Who are the Good/Better/Best equipment providers? I don't go racing but am a fairly spirited country roads driver. Many thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:36:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868544055D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A7040321 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:05:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.9] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:05:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 85834 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2013 20:05:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369857904; bh=ndYxQWS7PQ+TG8tWKbNFAX4aTu2ww4e6mjaJJTxY+8A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AoY+/EI5aLkqz2duZpEglnjqaE7VMkPEjAa5gWwM5be4wBbYKa0H30Ct3vCHK7FA76ReUbUUoh9yNuqqUGDn0F5D5xYZ0pGuktzjHtvqwl7s63VSThYDbvfxLZWAm46G0vAQMYfa5hd9NYQc2IxmaDoaQWrvM/g5rYlGXqMtiAw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KC+rplo3YbdglZFrR/vO8nmE/kvp3hUeY8WV4ry6Dw51VQ4RpAOM/xfypaHhlrPhuP30CjAlt1nObg5GPe57IHEN+TL8E2ERxCxh4hszcYhsFFTy6ofyU3ilmJ80ykHuZGZ+geJIPRYq3XlHdsA7g8iQWvdwk12m+URSBVOvRFM=; 8JuOTFW0xrNEMk4QV7n4Byze5KWk.CtaYzsz1rT_weQ2ilSSafaezzy0yZfG zIFcAu6M7Xjm1_SY.ZnMpdmJoFDa1KZy9HMtNn2WUY2QRUUFCyoBQKGDD56d jYaSYVfx9FgssvaJ0RfiOcvEezFl3aiNjwjUkXEpOz9T5Qkkyg36N3AzrR7r TeeSbVqsHLr6JbFTQIg0hBfK9gblwh.QliJY9QfjBxrvnw.tgdPu2OPU0Hgp XTlLbQ0cFXw9BxFjKOCDsY86dur2EzC6gdbugCnJNj2T8s_9raoJdXI6sFOX ooa24dW0Yxxg3jUHVqvQDYd5w9SVD0w9zurRQYLdqkpEU.zEIfhUkG1FUCrp 9EMFBo9jChtCjyR8dA0Dcxi1xrXQmZohq_9y1a_QP3hU8ZcF10QHWmDKfqBU m0yoy1H4kcaukjYlWVmKR5hDOX2jWe1I3cEjJemfTlB5z Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:05:04 PDT aXRzIGJlZW4gYSB3aGlsZSBzaW5jZSBpIHJlYnVpbHQgbXkgbW90b3IuCmlzIHRoZXJlIGEgZGlmZmVyZW50IGhlYWQgZ2Fza2V0IGZvciB0aGUgODdtbSBsaW5lcnMgdGhhbiBmb3IgdGhlIDgzbW0_Pz8KwqAKdGhhbmtzCkZyYW5rATABAQEB Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR3 head gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net its been a while since i rebuilt my motor. is there a different head gasket for the 87mm liners than for the 83mm??? thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:51:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B8042836 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B11403FA for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:33:23 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=0XJUTJhbhPsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=GZXvc-NBVCQA:10 a=XNOfkowubleq_W65fZYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BC/B3-11869-12566A15; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:29:21 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Allan Reich'" , Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:29:23 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5cosdkclc8/7CZQgeajhiTTGfQngAB+1Ag Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - Front Axle Upgrade kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > 2. Can I machine down the loose extender to make it > tighter and where would I find shims? Yes it can be machined. In fact, you can probably do it yourself, with a flat surface and a sheet of fine sandpaper. Any industrial supply house should have shims, though you'll need to find the appropriate sizes yourself. Note that it's better to have thicker shims if possible; the .003" and smaller can sometimes tear in service. > 3. Will the driver side loosen up over time and act normally? Loosen up, yes. But failure won't be far behind. Either remove the spacer or add the shims before you try to drive the car. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:51:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D0642802 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986D742733 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.90.217.adsl.snet.net [69.0.90.217]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LlUml-1U7Lp71t2t-00aR0y; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:31:57 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Allan Reich" , References: <51A651D0.1030100@telus.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:31:56 -0400 rQmBha6niKT9Zv8IkBwlff3jqJcgIu2XSGgk7wyJvlrAD4h58G DNPuei/FzrrAMNUN6lYNgE8yLiSPOcvBUidH9M4ACqypg5h+8o 2blMEHm0ytNBK6P2K2QjUtgT4lpJ27w5TyjuXy4JJraCghDXoz Bm8KQ36slHBhvJ4Fkugab4PTEyZgdZ3xiWmqkJjXiFtFwyEGZH g83rOsXWvQOfZnKz/vVYs9IZXzQLP5WEK3f6WBIi/ciWnlxAOf GgdDB52vk2eJ/dYW+H8m+gw3sDR/pRrYrgyGVR4V1pmF+cr6Wm 6t1aezRb/jkw4uDHPDihQYFY7O2hXd2pM5EiZtWIn Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - Front Axle Upgrade kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As Irv pointed out that kit was designed, made and sold by Jack & Tony Drews as part of their racing effort. Contact Tony for the latest instructions as they don't install and "adjust" like stock bearings. I've got a whole write up with pictures on my site (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/StubAxle.htm) along with the instructions that Jack gave me at the time..........I'll always remember emailing Jack about buying the kit and getting an UPS email tracking number before I even had a chance to send him a check.... the days before PayPal. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Allan Reich Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:06 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 - Front Axle Upgrade kits Greetings: My TR6 has the Front Axle Upgrade Kit , available from a number of suppliers, installed by previous owner. These are the kits that include an extension that fits over the axle between the inner and outer bearings to consolidate the axles and the bearings (an example is Moss 661-293). I discovered this after I blew a front bearing and took everything apart. I replaced both side's front bearing sets (inner, outer, including races) but had trouble on each. I found set-up instructions on the web. When doing the fit without the seals, the passenger side was loose without any shims, so I just removed the stiffners and set up as normal bearings. When doing the driver side, it set up well with two shims without the seal. When I put the tire rotates but with lots of effort. I have a few questions: 1. Who makes these kits and can I contact them with questions? 2. Can I machine down the loose extender to make it tighter and where would I find shims? 3. Will the driver side loosen up over time and act normally? Allan Reich 1975 TR6 CF30255U (+O) Vancouver, Canada ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:05:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA4542754 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13424041E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:41:03 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=lntZTuuEKBkA:10 a=itqJyo2VEVG_Fx2y2lUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 13/59-16585-DE666A15; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:37:02 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:37:04 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5ck7b43yNMTbIDS/yQwxznaXgWNgAF5gOw Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The tape idea seams like a good plan, but I think you might > be creating a possible squish problem with a relatively soft > material between the leafs. That's the reason for using UHMW rather than Teflon. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:06:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09525427E9 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8540540 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:48:45 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=z7V2ke4926MA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iQrL85CRT98A:10 a=HONd3deJaAZqF4ST-Q4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 58/EF-02984-CB866A15; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:44:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:44:46 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5cf2N8fcy86s9GRyKc5YEwJLgEQwALP4+A Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > That is if you can find one of the little gizmos that screws > into the spark plug hole with an air chuck on the other end. I don't know if they are all that way, but my screw-in type compression gauge ("Sunpro" brand I think) has a regular 1/8" NPT fitting at the gauge. So I can just unscrew the gauge and screw in an air line fitting (with a suitable adapter from Home Depot). Remove the Schrader valve core at the tip, and go to work. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:36:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80786427D3 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA34340424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id ox1so2921665veb.41 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HtoNaV7Ziwjy/jH0j9SOWjaa+iRbgU8YyKiEmIwim2Y=; b=G2C2udcv11KLzunLV3YQp5R76LwZTiS9GyakbbLHq0AEve4rfdeZxKjVHAOSMu1dh9 Ry5dw6z898h/eEFHQipSR1k5C8H6qfx8BNG0VUsavi1HAkUk5QZIBm12I0rDjPt4WLWu GJfnS51nTaCNw4bZ/QLCe+9PyJBPvdFMPr+7SE9yW9sZ2kQBh6zZvqA4c1C1To/IdH3/ Y+aEFR5j+9+arURac3LfIIWvot8AgdKLImvkjNtoa3PddVo1W8nDzDHreoLWiC1WDrxv LDyClwMMc22uhtIzlSisv/ya9w92qa+JLJdMLtffYaL6mbdikynq8eJswklzCZbU91Rs Muaw== y18mr2419641vdi.56.1369861494366; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.237.199 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <1369857904.70418.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:04:54 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Frank Fisher Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 head gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe an 87mm is what is supplied to fit 83-87mm cylinder heads. Seems to be no problem using an 87mm gasket on an 83mm engine. Geo On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > its been a while since i rebuilt my motor. > is there a different head gasket > for the 87mm liners than for the 83mm??? > > thanks > Frank > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BA14284E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C4940424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c13so1984065vea.21 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=btn3+4nq557gXL1ZwT6gG1Y5WEv+5lWetF0XbHvdNuk=; b=Ga0L4+aomWL1Xxi3ueSi1S4kTzHhuZ+gnPjWD1TfRF5xQfEBbauhq0OY9pACnV5XeT aTPzdEsB5NnCUPOluIiMIDfjH5AzXZ9sxXD5fEcGLpIlnG7HYp0G+r/YhQGlshEGsIoy tR3UU9eFZ8nLbZmca+NNu5WFQd2+0DlOAwO9yH+iBkQIKzX0dDarux42VciekQCLbprf Az8svn9ZWyOa9NeiBSrdRCHspckw6zi066XaubbMEVgqLipJ5XRcFD3cLpGAOsAQVIzg eOJuh2YqE05qeqbWUKxxhVqF8DUJfjbhGoMH9oT50VTkT0DSIkhAOVhOTCWw4WT1ViCU V3aw== jy19mr2857389veb.7.1369861927434; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.237.199 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <44282F64EA53452698C991078815226C@DaveLaptop> <58.EF.02984.CB866A15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:12:07 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Valve Stem Seals. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Randall wrote: > > That is if you can find one of the little gizmos that screws > > into the spark plug hole with an air chuck on the other end. > > ...my screw-in type compression > gauge ("Sunpro" brand I think) has a regular 1/8" NPT fitting at the gauge. > So I can just unscrew the gauge and screw in an air line fitting (with a > suitable adapter from Home Depot). Remove the Schrader valve core at the > tip, and go to work. Same set-up also makes a crude but effective leak down test (if you're more interested in listening for the leakage than pursuing actual numbers). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 16:21:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4F342710 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E95740691 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hrxE1l0061bwxycAEy3Beh; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:03:11 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hy3B1l00p2yr1eL8ey3BoM; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:03:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:03:11 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" s=q20121106; t=1369864991; bh=aB2chMnwOJ1cDkgWI9woEl2/G1GBcvDqF0ObMBlVV/s=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pydr3C6eixvqdTR322hpCSbeLmDF4F1n8YM4QwNYsHtockSlla3H//lgJtgYdRCmX olb7KV2XEIKDONgwT7OMqaZw98rd9j8YEtVvoTZdSFoIE5JittnTTBXd0WwHovE7TC V0/3MdgvE+g5/OI6fs6mkHVn9TqB2QRWoscFkj5CWGZAMLNjY61twvestB0uZaekfM aQsWHpIUXqw2Ue+Ze1DlGZir58EjhsVQ49gFzmWIZ91IQ31hw7B0mnrYrHYyqqQpMN aDnLPBR7o6tFaKswropfi5FQlSvkcia1jM3HjyO8x5ILIg9uVoiqaZtbUCMIv0nMFt TnnecIp+HNS7w== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the clarification regarding the plastic material. It sounds like a good idea. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: "davehogye" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:30:53 AM Subject: Re: [TR] rear leaf springs On 5/29/13 10:35 AM, davehogye wrote: Hello Teriann and others, The tape idea seams like a good plan, but I think you might be creating a possible squish problem with a relatively soft material between the leafs. I would think that the tape can collapse a bit under the axle and between the U-bolts. I have had sheets of UHMW plastic between the spring leaves under my long wheelbase Land Rover for over almost 15 years now and they are still there and my ride is softer than it would be with new springs. TeriAnn
To minimize the friction between the individual leaves. I like UHMW (ultra-high molecular weight) Polyethylene plastic. This plastic provides a low friction surface, similar to Teflon tape, but with a much higher abrasion and puncture resistance. It was designed specifically for commercial use on chutes, packaging lines, slides, and anywhere high pressure metal to metal sliding contact occurs. It also provides sound dampening, eliminating squeaks and rattles caused by adjacent parts movement. The plastic's temperature range is -40 to +225 degrees F.
... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 16:52:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E9640E1B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com (mail-pb0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9151240551 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id rr4so9809223pbb.6 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:19:27 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z4NrNZHvHQgGjQD11ivkJjM8TrgX2R7XyPgqxqefj9M=; b=sJwjka9MkfMur6KhYe88wXyBsnRh8MGENMwtHT1tsaf/cEFD9JvvVvjTNvyS4J5XIN 5MfD/o8o3Cfi/jHiLqLvECML2mQdheMDUsfT3ovI7fxSd+pH2JviiGh/emHmh/CdUFkO lru7cCbTlv3tY3eolTcDaPSqtgfQj/yCec/b6z1sP58zJI/19H6Bc1SfVsTYL2LkZlaO +SxtfLpFx/X+6hKT+ihPwW6ykbVdmCEK1ZxdAS+nOIKMdoubOVIeSsFscP4U+vE1F9D4 Wi+o4ctIcJq9bVG7Cit0hnUQKnOXVd1BzhhS3JYg4Hul3s0JgGPnZrSUJlbeyOjEJcsG 8YwA== ns10mr4990457pbb.13.1369865967269; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wi6sm38859068pbc.22.2013.05.29.15.19.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 15:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:19:24 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/29/13 1:01 PM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > What is the List consensus on sway bars? Front vs Rear, should I do both? > Who are the Good/Better/Best equipment providers? I don't go racing but am > a fairly spirited country roads driver. > Bill, front sway bars make a huge difference in cornering. My 3 has a front sway bar, factory competition spec front springs & SPAX shocks adjusted to the firm side. Most people agree that for a 3 you want to have a tight front end and a loose rear end to help keep both rear wheels on the ground. Rear sway bars seem to give you good cornering up to an unpredictable point where the rear end goes off on its own direction. I'm not positive but I think the point is when a rear tyre gets lifted enough to loose traction. For predictable handling on high speed curves you don't want a rear sway bar. For years the go to person for front sway bars has been Ted. http://tsimportedautomotive.com/index.html TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 16:54:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB8A42722 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E1E4041E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hpx51l00616AWCU01yV0Qr; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:29:00 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hyV01l00F2xZMJ48SyV0tH; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:29:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: wbeech@flash.net s=q20121106; t=1369866540; bh=mQ5obR7lX96DrRZIEc88SDMVv+bzzJ3Of+t/VHU/ctc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Afs2HSwuDD++wHhZYZ5AL+bafJNlYCgFZpymdQTU4QdSsMNGzm+voVVdK777kRecR Z0d0Unl7dnc0BrDyPLm1cC1XZPnYf5UYOSiPLA74MiqaDG8yjPZHzT8vd6E7Iaajnb WGq0xzMrKDzD5AGB3kMQsLRFRNSIkvniehX1uDMOXJa2jCNpu1m8Srv93XaKoaK3GU E+gZFl6DXk07oirFV/Hmd5yUP/Ojt/YNJyoka3aIT/XQQl8T1Y+DV0Wva8YB5JCHuD ymHXuLCVsRHP1WYiWZX2l6K8i7vUUxdUOQowkG0Y1JBLszxKaQBbwZ0y2U6he+EFgb QsW/RW+PtcxjA== Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Definitely add a front anti-sway bar only. 5/8" minimum. I have a 7/8" on my TR3 and it works great. The springs and shocks will affect the ride comfort, not the bar. I think Addco can supply a bar if you don't find one through the main British suppliers. I think TR3 bars are harder to come by than the TR4. TR4 will work but it's wider to fit the wider TR4 frame. If you can find one for the TR3 specifically, that would be the one to get. Addco will make one for you to your specs for a very reasonable price. There are a couple companies from the UK that might make one to fit just the TR3, but the price with shipping can be an issue. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: wbeech@flash.net To: "list Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:01:24 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Sway bar As I now have the TR3B to the "Chassis Complete" stage and am waiting on the body shop I am thinking of other things I can do. I have determined that an anti-sway bar might be a good upgrade at reasonable cost, but I have never shopped for nor installed one before. What is the List consensus on sway bars? Front vs Rear, should I do both? Who are the Good/Better/Best equipment providers? I don't go racing but am a fairly spirited country roads driver. Many thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 17:26:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF1D42712 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9C3403D0 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hpo01l0021ei1Bg57yzUhd; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:59:28 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hyzU1l00q2xV5no3kyzUwF; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:59:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:59:28 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1369868368; bh=pDTz252K/Dytu72kfCiIiGDD8JhSB89Z0zivbyvCcLk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=FW78BgfnhDYQnMcDnX5iQfatHwXeT0d7XfIQWJFWcln/wWhrmcizetktx3DvxhVCM z6UQRU8vJq8dxOI/dCfX324Guc6Fg7hxHEMeg0IQFhQgYFAVoHiMNRDS0Sgx8lB/MC u3PjwGiIAyMD/W1aQtbXUM/HHHO/IBi46ej0WP++Ivquiz5pM95Q6HtGGENp8S8QRU 9ZFIJa0XmahVaOgTZZtOwiq0Mn0l71+A0eF8Ey1d0lttkX3yN9opsI1oMChSDjNLfC Mj3mCibe+SaRqILzrYiuce8eykoVJ6vprHHerzCSLIRRfBTBCxt00/JKqj482nxg3+ JVjV7AdbvJTnQ== Subject: [TR] TR6 alternator mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Late TR6's with the air pump have the alternator mounting bracket on top and the adjusting link on the bottom. How does one utilize the Bosch alternator for this arrangement? Is there an alternative alternator? Or can the bracket on the Bosch unit be rotated? Or must one find a mounting bracket from and earlier TR6, one w/o the air pump? TIA, Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 17:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643140687 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A0640423 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hyDi1l0051wpRvQ55zX6xX; Wed, 29 May 2013 23:31:06 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hzX61l01A2xV5no3ezX6aN; Wed, 29 May 2013 23:31:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 23:31:06 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1369870267; bh=8Yl/KMsxDHCbUIgHy2AIK4Yr8c0QT3nL4PBKRYvwWfg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Cx7fmoVqiRbMcC8yUZHmteQfSo+egZNL+QgcEYDOmVA60eWzK2j9hACdLafUdfwmw JqE8KFN6ODeVuBUy5c4/jzKLZxm0jO+cWbpaqiYnqtaPbiZ/xq1W1zSHNfIIb+ueXc LJdCJ0+Kzv+5FkTdfZkv57W/2L5DcOWOFXnrfPhEfqo1HaaR7nK6n1mIi784ZkuhK4 NtNsLbybC9gkIVywtZ/KKGZ01J+G1OgjEuJXmB6ccbezZzD/tNtiESmSYfRC+1fh+q QDoquwNPAipN9XHi0hiNOI8GN6BVzaAvSWeJCwDetgvxYj+vlZZtIzJCHHa4lIjRd0 mwr6Ou9UGX1Aw== Subject: [TR] Alternator mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I don't believe I understand the problem. Here's the message I received regarding the alternator mounting. Can anyone shed any light on it? Can't the alternator just be rotated 180 degrees to fit the late cars? What am I missing here? "Think I found the problem. Look at the pix below. My adjustment bracket is under the alternator where all the pictures show the bracket on top. Assuming mtg is same for all TR6 models at least the holes in the motor for the lower bracket think I can order a bracket from a 74 as shown in these pix and install it so the alternator will bolt up? If so I need to get it done quick since we need a working alternator for the car. Unless you have something in your inventory. Let me know Thx" TIA, Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 18:22:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A4B4041E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 18:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB8140321 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-11273.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.60.12]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Uhq98-00084r-BI for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:51:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:51:23 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 emerg. brake boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Puzzling over some of the trim issues with my '2 project. Does the emerg. brake handle boot and mounting flanges get screwed directly to the floor pan, then the carpet fitted over them? Same for the flange on the trans tunnel - under the carpet directly to the side of the tunnel? Looks as though the flanges use something like a #6 sheet metal screw? What about the trans tunnel fastening - bolts or sheet metal screws? Does the speedo cable routing present a problem (o/d box)?? Thanks for any help with this one - thought the trim and carpets would be a breeze; guess what.... Thanks, Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 18:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C969D4053E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 18:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4B94040B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 18:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130530003143.JIHW6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:31:43 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id i0Xj1l0083enFnk050Xjre; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:31:43 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=AJygR7GP8CAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=kKqG8H4e6DIv-SCbgXcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=byALOcSXd-2qR18R:21 a=g3_Ooqh3RXgs3nT5:21 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: , "'triumph list'" References: <1647861367.607975.1369870266900.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:31:41 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHJrT0wRhahTK7B+8tZm2B7ylFqDJkmP3Uw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It would make more sense if the pictures came through. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:31 PM To: triumph list Subject: [TR] Alternator mounting List, I don't believe I understand the problem. Here's the message I received regarding the alternator mounting. Can anyone shed any light on it? Can't the alternator just be rotated 180 degrees to fit the late cars? What am I missing here? "Think I found the problem. Look at the pix below. My adjustment bracket is under the alternator where all the pictures show the bracket on top. Assuming mtg is same for all TR6 models at least the holes in the motor for the lower bracket think I can order a bracket from a 74 as shown in these pix and install it so the alternator will bolt up? If so I need to get it done quick since we need a working alternator for the car. Unless you have something in your inventory. Let me know Thx" TIA, Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:12:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0155E4054D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F319F40523 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i1BM1l0031ZMdJ4AF1hWsS; Thu, 30 May 2013 01:41:30 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i1hW1l00K2xZMJ48c1hWDc; Thu, 30 May 2013 01:41:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 01:41:30 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: wbeech@flash.net s=q20121106; t=1369878090; bh=fHvEpQk9GqODJ912dThFWEx0AJWm1PERo+Wum/h8YUs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=NAIwglmxJ/FP/th9gJR/h0VghkvAGuUdWYFSdNSznV7UZFTFmQ36t79ZqN5LtVZZ4 lnB7enAklalP/LRDjC3XGRL5Kf5S/A4ZcDe/vtX6V/SOc6z3zA/I5utSJ9pajrcAEf xuu/0WPh7hoXNemuEoeN2oSffGdH8hRS/dYTTF+7FgvBdzKuafROgk3tkBTe/58KVR Xr/MHXWdUBcIUCeDcjha5nqzk09mXaiUMvhBe9yX8VqsBYknFszMxFGj5cFFocHHx6 OmDeW488Xi/GWaDceA3t4thtTTDkWH5MmE8KoWGgT/4TVisT1dDMUVNqJOVAXhA7Pp aeuuI7/bHfdPg== Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The problem with putting a TR4-TR6 bar on a TR3 is the tires could rub on the bar. TR3 bars have 2 bends each side or one close to the frame. Also, some TR3 bars with one bend, attach to the middle of the lower A-arm. The 2 bend bars reach further out on the A-arm for better leverage and effect. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: wbeech@flash.net Cc: "list Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:29:00 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Sway bar Definitely add a front anti-sway bar only. 5/8" minimum. I have a 7/8" on my TR3 and it works great. The springs and shocks will affect the ride comfort, not the bar. I think Addco can supply a bar if you don't find one through the main British suppliers. I think TR3 bars are harder to come by than the TR4. TR4 will work but it's wider to fit the wider TR4 frame. If you can find one for the TR3 specifically, that would be the one to get. Addco will make one for you to your specs for a very reasonable price. There are a couple companies from the UK that might make one to fit just the TR3, but the price with shipping can be an issue. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: wbeech@flash.net To: "list Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:01:24 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Sway bar As I now have the TR3B to the "Chassis Complete" stage and am waiting on the body shop I am thinking of other things I can do. I have determined that an anti-sway bar might be a good upgrade at reasonable cost, but I have never shopped for nor installed one before. What is the List consensus on sway bars? Front vs Rear, should I do both? Who are the Good/Better/Best equipment providers? I don't go racing but am a fairly spirited country roads driver. Many thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:13:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AEC42712 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E3240452 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 01:50:32 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.43] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 01:50:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 01:50:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369878632; bh=5DMjQILXyVCNsZIqmNHo0JOaGGx39CAZAipy37w5dl8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Message-Id:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=XBWAMNIuzFLjN8uD4zLyY9mD7y3NCXGUfm0+UsOAKRzgYbS7KQEmp9LZm9QLX0Fg2hYQaAP1posJ70XdeXgZ/1sFmoYs7196nReCorG+UjxHAbf+ExzJkF2wQnBmaiuiqrtMpk4Ul6cXvGUFVmDFs1elDJNTThkr/kbUKnHwN5Q= vNj1GeUvT5ktQyDU2cJahzAdaoEFD3jhJYCxVrPMrlsuQv7yChAhiNQyPTMY .qEUFKhRjkBoUAVUUCOnEk5fnJXWUqQuN5CB7HFScLWutfpdSbIEnGU52KzD yl98pDnq.H8oDvHSMebyCff8XBFOphNAjyRBBpt4n72gAVGBpo_1kW2NcIyB dgDw2riWjef9OIxPCXPEf7qjWZ804gJ6QFZlRTwAPgFGSLsbKdpP2NTCrL6q 1OilROoF54yNRFypNR.WwA3s4Jqod5FV75.C3b9OVlxHK.nnRquiheDHMydZ J0iTcqi5WJOWJ_0Pnbcnb93.qeTm_u1C5YhSQlnhc_vz2bOcePEbHdDbGdDW hA8YE2pKBrepImQHkWsDO6xMBbakaA.9xy.lSS9U5KtrQfbY8CRpqiQ8X_Cq O8kzP7KyRufnKMsTLF1MUjEpIytDmi8YWDzT6AxoxKngZKhFWo0xK95iaCN3 X8sog2wvkjcJTJx_3SQVDuS5ZERCTtUemWd6lHhK7hzFDh2gKdt9zqM_E2dH bkWSX smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2013 18:50:32 -0700 PDT References: <51A6947B.4050501@execulink.com> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:48:10 -0500 To: Angelo Graham Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 emerg. brake boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking from 3A experience, yes the flanges screw directly into the floor pan and trans tunnel (no OD experience to share). Carpet was much more fun than I thought. Best advice is to pre-fit everything (twice) before you glue anything. Enjoy, Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Puzzling over some of the trim issues with my '2 project. Does the emerg. brake handle boot and mounting flanges get screwed directly to the floor pan, then the carpet fitted over them? Same for the flange on the trans tunnel - under the carpet directly to the side of the tunnel? Looks as though the flanges use something like a #6 sheet metal screw? What about the trans tunnel fastening - bolts or sheet metal screws? > Does the speedo cable routing present a problem (o/d box)?? > Thanks for any help with this one - thought the trim and carpets would be a breeze; guess what.... > Thanks, > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:33:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F94042712 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B180403F1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD34AA18F8 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:31:46 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: 'triumph list' References: <1647861367.607975.1369870266900.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <006601ce5ccd$0e318320$2a948960$@charter.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Alex&Janet Thomson wrote: > It would make more sense if the pictures came through. > Yes, the email lists do not do pictures, unlike http://www.team.net/forums mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 21:53:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E210403D7 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 21:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEF2403D0 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 21:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i3ZE1l0011HpZEsA33olBy; Thu, 30 May 2013 03:48:45 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i3ol1l0022xZMJ48a3olx5; Thu, 30 May 2013 03:48:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 03:48:45 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: wbeech@flash.net s=q20121106; t=1369885725; bh=UeRSwsdy21oa2tOOWN3wgT4XBSyYamran+QGpg8hXLc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kmjVXB7VY23uApYHUp1axDu7jGsxU1RXUtYTtodrmfdmx2KhCyM19e1sNPvVqwHsF 5pUtMdo7MuNQxWFRtE9AHH70QesV8O8L41L6133sYDssX+2r2SvuwPfbq3i6FCL8jt 4dYbnPGSu6Q0YoOIKd2a/i8/G9aE64tnzdgsqGqI6aPZzOVeCi97M76LOgVFV/wR9N dsVpYQUPdEx2grTcTtoOT458KHRuBQLuHw0MbsYIsgmaNzGaGqF4/F7IizMHZ6W7RJ rJD7AAToAByOkPv7SakqnVTxkF1lLf1/wQylu1XqVKB1QRUxhvNNsuRw3cYtvuMWYL rkIxLQq84f9OA== Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Front bar on a TR4 or TR3, Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: wbeech@flash.net > To: "list Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:01:24 PM > Subject: [TR] TR3 Sway bar > As I now have the TR3B to the "Chassis Complete" stage and am waiting > on the > body shop I am thinking of other things I can do. I have determined > that an > anti-sway bar might be a good upgrade at reasonable cost, but I have > never > shopped for nor installed one before. > > What is the List consensus on sway bars? Front vs Rear, should I do > both? > Who are the Good/Better/Best equipment providers? I don't go racing > but am > a fairly spirited country roads driver. > > Many thanks, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 06:15:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D164273F for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5424740513 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 650657000008F for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.209]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2FD2DE000081 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:11:02 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369915862; bh=Vkj/66oDFNNJ/Qhffat37OUaUdSuCSsyz/Hh0SzCMeg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A+P7bI/1hQsAzRisr8TWO8P581ck2KNly2zYes7j9AKv67uxawotZ5efMEoiSXg1s CEr+hKqahwOj5IsuGktwJaunJV4HRFFS60e9aDGkfJdguER+tBQ3Oa3xDFrShuMmza 9EXtYNZYqZ/5dCU0XM5sbX+bhhV+aqn9RwHrxZ08= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51a741d61f29 Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 emerg. brake boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The flanges and seals are attached to the floorboard and tunnel, as mentioned. The floor and tunnel holes are oversized and you will need a part called a J-clip. This is a steel clip with a hole with the size and pitch that will engage the #6 screw and allow some float for alignment purposes. J-clips come in many varieties so get clips specifically for #6 screws. You may find them locally or you can probably get them from the usual Brit Car supplier. Dave In a message dated 5/29/2013 7:18:41 PM Central Daylight Time, agraham@execulink.com writes: > Hello List: > Puzzling over some of the trim issues with my '2 project. Does the > emerg. brake handle boot and mounting flanges get screwed directly to > the floor pan, then the carpet fitted over them? Same for the flange on > the trans tunnel - under the carpet directly to the side of the tunnel? > Looks as though the flanges use something like a #6 sheet metal screw? > What about the trans tunnel fastening - bolts or sheet metal screws? > Does the speedo cable routing present a problem (o/d box)?? > Thanks for any help with this one - thought the trim and carpets would > be a breeze; guess what.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 06:42:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0827E40511 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A694403FA for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.100.73]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id iCYp1l00F1b0fGN01CYqeQ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:32:52 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <51A6947B.4050501@execulink.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:32:55 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJ6OXf80kAWMTYfSLRZ4wmTU0g7zJfF8EIQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 emerg. brake boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think all your questions have been answered. The O/D cable isn't a problem once you realize (a) these cables are longer than standard, and (b) the routing includes going through the back of the hole in the passenger floor which takes the handbrake. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:51 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 emerg. brake boot Hello List: Puzzling over some of the trim issues with my '2 project. Does the emerg. brake handle boot and mounting flanges get screwed directly to the floor pan, then the carpet fitted over them? Same for the flange on the trans tunnel - under the carpet directly to the side of the tunnel? Looks as though the flanges use something like a #6 sheet metal screw? What about the trans tunnel fastening - bolts or sheet metal screws? Does the speedo cable routing present a problem (o/d box)?? Thanks for any help with this one - thought the trim and carpets would be a breeze; guess what.... Thanks, Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 06:57:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC5B40528 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s39.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s39.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823BB403FA for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT140-W6 ([65.55.90.9]) by snt0-omc1-s39.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:59 -0700 From: ED Morat To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:51:58 -0400 FILETIME=[7917AB80:01CE5D34] Subject: [TR] TR-6 overhaul/repair shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, I live in sunny South Florida (Miami) and I'm having a problem finding a local repair/overhaul shop. My 73 TR-6 needs complete hydraulic re-build, plus fuel lines and tank cleaning and many small items to make the car road worthy. It's been sittin in my garage under cover for several years and I promised my Wife I would get it back on the road. Any help from the group would be appreciated. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR-6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 08:15:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F73140532 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2E8403F2 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 30 May 2013 14:08:40 +0000 Received: from EasyEd (74-47-205-74.dsl1.chtw.wv.frontiernet.net [74.47.205.74]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5F2E930C0D7 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:08:40 +0000 (UTC) From: "Ed Oot" To: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:08:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5dPrcESm7asko6QWe/4VJ6O9iZKw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Monza exhaust on a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Would appreciate any input on this exhaust system. Although it is a subjective question, is the system annoyingly loud, a little loud, or OK? If riding several hours at 3K rpm do your ears buzz at the end of the day? How about ease of installation? Thanks Ed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 09:03:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFBC4274C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9AC40511 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so258756veb.31 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uEBZyhdVq0TRRwShMWDkrihySrNClkOT5jPiToedKOE=; b=hDe9/BxMys1IGACGZRxEbFrRvEzvTRqiTwEISG8ZkZIoMTtzYJHxHDad0wJ3qV/WVx gg9ZqZMh+XkLdCKolPTFTkbBzVEPGmruYbQ5ObrmwYy/j7796uUpT2emIdDyslesWSwC 2VBxWIGTHE9GPofGoMBwoCakuCdi2wByvtafr0zBTTRkTKaAzTXXnuMDyWIy8x9aWmZ+ 53LCVGYgOITe2H4nIbq13r7OH6eX9O6YN51Dv9TPsZ/nyx/rYxoR6GcejghmHyRdu0+A 2Q7eT+2uI+Zf9SCLSqpAUEZDM2I5UtjC9qaJf7UMSHnGLZFZhMgj/MeJlDUuTRjA6opn yTGA== pa17mr5850997veb.37.1369925963267; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.100.74 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:59:23 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: ED Morat Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR-6 overhaul/repair shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd recommend Dean Houston's British Sports Car Works. British Sports Car Works 1023 S. E. Holbrook Court Port St. Lucie, Florida 34952 USA Phone: 772-398-7007 Al On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:51 AM, ED Morat wrote: > All, > > > > I live in sunny South Florida (Miami) and I'm having a problem finding a > local > repair/overhaul shop. My 73 TR-6 needs complete hydraulic re-build, plus > fuel > lines and tank cleaning and many small items to make the car road worthy. > It's been sittin in my garage under cover for several years and I promised > my > Wife I would get it back on the road. Any help from the group would be > appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ed Morat > > 1973 TR-6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/alansalvy@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 10:20:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250B642742 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com (mail-we0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7137140427 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q56so430339wes.9 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:16:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=LZ68Up2vtkk54FlbmElGzFiYmreM6BEjerfIeyiKsC8=; b=M/TBAwklV5A6e3Fk04wowzh+//2BEz66QeIV8QMfOhd85kKgzXuZ6jY6oczDX+R4WA L8GlAF6SY+s3dl/YJgjr/u2Uu1PGU5F/QG8irVMgcxFJMnYhe+TUx+PH0WCRyIX+5JUn mxtjQlESwJKG3ky9L9UxeNRpe2BncTZA1mdhyt34mib5GFsEW6rsxDDP8Q2+TbgnyOhN WuFUuDUfkiNbkJ0OOfx4KmPLq69Q1q2lEoj2U+USfNeHs5DCqyyaa4q19bQDXP61lvjb VbscejruVNN139oIY+Y6iapATAbZdkDQ9RhwZO2o4Hy5OXwY5hTxvw5w9IUMIP2QuxfF kY5w== ib9mr5546522wjb.12.1369930593267; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:16:13 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Ideas for mounting fire extinguisher? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The fire extinguisher in my TR3B (and the ones in my Tacoma and my RX350, too, for that matter) are stored on the floor. Not a great solution, although they does move around enough for the powder not to get packed (smile). I'm imagining a bracket that would hold the extinguisher bottle across the front of the passenger's seat squab, possibly mounted to the machine screws holding the seat rails in place. Something like this one: http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/duffinator1/Duffy%20Boss/IMG_0553.jpg, as discussed here: http://bossmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=1364.0 Probably a number of y'all doing this now. Any images to share about how the bracket was fabricated? Thx, Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 10:49:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B404273C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B245403B9 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:42:03 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1369931875; x=1370536675; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=WjqGv0zUocYmxDDUlJqDR2esc6duaagp3vEC3ZEdWJo=; b=Ip2 2EGZOPfRqFQPWCxdG1+oWmHt4CxQksKsZ44qrbjGK+PiKyQNHPIhsZCt2gCyK3yA Kh4qJlfHAWcox+I5aHt0nupT2lfgvB1ZlYpwH0an7vH6jdIuv+Na7RfTkG6GSd3o a94TcgQEil9jEiPa4RS9SOk39Q1lTV68NbD6qzd4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=x+A9drGIC5yGw4ViAmR7iwFiJyWWA/DgTwGTEU+MmNr4g3GrHEBpdAaUFjBG vXpcAIqPVbpMkSFjGzZ8VLLz7ilu+yZlrXHU5zTocY4SUO4lsbPVbqMOb jJFBPDRqpcKG400O3bRjp4nuFLmkvm43oRTu/qKvzWgn4EeD9TNn8s=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 14-md50000134891.msg for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:37:54 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:42:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] A Triumph, but not the LBC type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another fine Victor Meldrew moment yesterday. I've been re-fitting a 1970s motorboat I haven't used in years. It's got a Ford 351 V-8 attached by a most unlikely set of mechanical and electrical linkages to a nice soft aluminium propeller. Not the most felicitous arrangement, although it is quite common. With the angular momentum of that big crankshaft behind it, I can break the prop on rocks, sand, ropes, edges of docks, underwater weeds, passing fish, in fact just about anything the boat comes near. It's most efficient, and at $200 a prop for repairs, quite expensive to operate. I'm going to have to investigate a harder prop, or a softer lakebed. But I digress... Anyway, the motor hasn't turned in about 5 years, so I conceived a cunning plan to spray a little WD-40 in each cylinder, just to be sure that the rings wouldn't scrape too much when I turned the crankshaft to align things. I unscrewed all 8 spark plugs and took my spray can with its attached little tube and applied it to the closest cylinder. Unfortunately, instead of the expected "pssshhh" sound of spraying, I heard a sort of "Pffpppt!" as the little tube popped off the can and vanished into the dark depths of the cylinder. The cylinder that happened to have a piston at bottom, leaving plenty of room for a 5" tube to disappear completely. Also leaving me with little to cry/shout/scream but Victor Meldrew's famous "I don't believe it!", followed by other words and phrases designed to communicate more fully the depths of my feelings about not believing it. I gave serious thought to leaving the tube in there to hopefully burn off, but visions of valves gummed shut with burning plastic brought me to my senses. A bit of careful crankshaft rotation brought the offending article into partial view and gave hope. Finally, after practically braiding my fingers together holding an LED flashlight, garbage bag tie and needle nose pliers while delicately rotating the engine with a socket and foot setup, I succeeded in extracting the thing. Great relief. If I hadn't already had the exhaust manifolds off and the engine on the shop floor instead of mounted in the bottom of the boat, I should never have succeeded without enormous effort. So, the moral of the story is; don't put anything near an open spark plug hole that is narrower than the hole and conceivably shorter than its associated cylinder is deep. There is a mysterious attractive force that you will learn of to your dismay. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 11:32:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0074279A for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405DB40419 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id PWB61242; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:23:42 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'Don Hiscock'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:23:34 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5dURvFvOCcna1WTxC6XZ2XDEDzjwACSU4Q Subject: Re: [TR] Ideas for mounting fire extinguisher? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:16 AM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Ideas for mounting fire extinguisher? > Mine is mounted in the trunk on the rear slope of the inner wheel well. Fits quite nicely, is readily available, and is out of the way. [Michael Marr] Mike ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 11:39:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514844279E for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4317B40333 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id n57so497513wev.36 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:35:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=GQv8lrKaKjeKTIG4HR9di2uMTGtlrPYoyZqcLhW4YVU=; b=Oz2FHqdeEzplt+9DQMGU68pgTz8yJ/q4KOGazpseWZVo3WAkMMNews26ZhDk41mIaj uFxQ+2KuZj9dgMzvhGCZ7U2n45Ngbbs/76nX71FdO4wjOaqOHcAyhr+E/oPiVaowi5RQ CN7Ww2SU9nFAenEXY41DpDaDjdgcdYngzs3yRLUEV52ciDI1MLGdnsLHSP6+Vg4yveTS 4KjCAPWFHIKLaZ9rae8GpdTlei6/2TGtT5TA5CEJsZ5ah+vdwEwi3GelouEpql48iYNk 3Px00gTHEHXKXINmuuX9jrcgsno/8Q4ONirdBdVkVVRUIUGBts0euMqcx0S7K1ZubmXA SYRA== di6mr5868804wjc.10.1369935301530; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:34:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <02db01ce5d5a$6a2f2f00$3e8d8d00$@com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:34:41 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Ideas for mounting fire extinguisher? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net An important part of my thinking is that when one wants a fire extinguisher, one wants it NOW. The one in my Tacoma got used a couple of weeks ago when my neighbors put some ashes from their patio fire pit into the garden alongside their house. The ashes were hot enough to ignite the mulch and leaf litter and only a few moments went by before I heard them scream and the flames were higher than the roofline of the single-story garage. Grabbed my little 2.5 lb dry powder extinguisher and at a dead run headed over. The little thing was enough to knock the flames down enough where I could kick and stomp the remaining fire down until the fire department arrived and soaked everything. It's a reminder that sooner is better than later getting after a fire. My goal is to have an extinguisher within reach of me in the driver's seat. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Michael Marr wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:16 AM > > To: Triumphs > > Subject: [TR] Ideas for mounting fire extinguisher? > > > Mine is mounted in the trunk on the rear slope of the inner wheel well. > Fits quite nicely, is readily available, and is out of the way. > [Michael Marr] > Mike ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 13:22:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2726A42771 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00B340400 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 19:18:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 19:18:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 19:18:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 60192 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2013 19:18:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369941511; bh=wZiz0erU4f/oPq72Sr0BtUbLWcrD5+PY+8WTU9BQOqA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oMKS61jX2me3gK8809S4k0PyuZon4nflCjsMnKwr7nSUJCVKmE1JXgDJpzCpTZjFP43GnQ4ty7GyJ+YXUtZlyPNcbvKO7BPvbPpi5B4xft3SHnAc/HNoFrp6lVJz4oVhEjhi0i6nRXY1JkjGHESJ6qLteFygzlLXhpF9hpQWa84= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oYnWqU55THq5nztG/E1/rU96oPaT1GjwUhxH8Vs+VpSUqsrBhlNENcCWGo0GU4SjYUuJst3doKN5N2xkAgwVIdM/DpAz+2Wn7uzkeHOiM8oDKRSCdDewS/lpzg/F9+zIDOYyCL545stUZFabMWYlJYsy6o7FTkUbTMY/ESvpm+I=; zw_NQztHm0lVWCLewW8nB37YxRs3NLEgQZpovy26ef0WcLw.ELBsH5ed3ueV s7UKijp1P6m35dOyLS4YCcrKgY1IdvYq1T7vpYwttv8BkVZOTxRtc0jtjGWo BllxejmV_fmXFg9tYJ16f2LLPplCrDgH4lX2RICj3EMEfhwmAR9bCNYgC70A eYrOOGh6WdFbVV4SShaqJVyvfmCme7R9ap8xpSRa40RHpqOQsBGYnXVgGyPf j3RGSjWvloxg_TX9rxDxVmw79R4tzMk5AmEugilWZU4jc1YNy2RcjBpTnRfw 12zcM9Z84VdbpPH3x5C.QfRt7P1mmKmjWhy2SWDsVN1MCw5FkFdtep1Btw4Y zcD5xML1GLkKl3SM1UZu17kJZ_3Wvy_7Bd5lNbf0lnUbF13lEr8CPjCd1soI Ub8LDBQsqvssQtLzbux6X9xVHONLcaB0aO1YRMCWUc2_SxMFrHchZZs9tPl6 9rJIggOuOSykQXKoroXpJZ7qL4iqA.uEB2cjy._ZTZZst7Lk- Received: from [99.149.16.191] by web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:18:31 PDT WWVzLCBpdCBpcyBzbyBjb252ZW5pZW50IHRvIG1vdW50IHRoZSBleHRpbmd1aXNoZXIgaW4gdGhlIHRydW5rDQpCVVQgRE8gTk9UIERPIElULsKgIEl0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBpbiB0aGUgY2FiaW4gaW4gZWFzeSByZWFjaC4NCldoZW4gbmVlZGVkIG9yIHlvdXIgVHJpdW1waCBpcyBpbiBmbGFtZXMsIEdvZCBmb3JiaWQsIHlvdQ0Kd2FudCB0byBncmFiIGFuZCB1c2UgaXQsIG5vdCBydW4gYXJvdW5kIGFuZCBmaWRkbGUgd2l0aCB0aGUgdHJ1bmsgbGlkKHdoaWNoIG1heSBiZSBsb2NrZWQpIG9yIHlvdSBiZWVuIHIBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Janis Dabars To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fire extinguisher in the trunk. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, it is so convenient to mount the extinguisher in the trunk BUT DO NOT DO IT. It should be in the cabin in easy reach. When needed or your Triumph is in flames, God forbid, you want to grab and use it, not run around and fiddle with the trunk lid(which may be locked) or you been rearended and trunk area is in flames. An extinguisher should be required in any Triumph, also in the ones being judged in concours or what ever. Please install one NOW. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 13:51:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67ED42793 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9344A4274E for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id PYY70519; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:46:19 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'Janis Dabars'" , References: <1369941511.48111.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:46:11 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5daonKxL0LjVBhQQOdcbmAsQUJMAAA1nng Subject: Re: [TR] Fire extinguisher in the trunk. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Fire extinguisher in the trunk. > > Yes, it is so convenient to mount the extinguisher in the trunk BUT DO > NOT DO IT. It should be in the cabin in easy reach. > When needed or your Triumph is in flames, God forbid, you want to grab > and use it, not run around and fiddle with the trunk lid(which may be > locked) or you been rearended and trunk area is in flames. An > extinguisher should be required in any Triumph, also in the ones being > judged in concours or what ever. > Please install one NOW. > [Michael Marr] Thanks all the same, but I will leave it in my unlocked trunk, for the same reason that I don't have a roll cage and I don't have seatbelts. If, perchance, the car randomly bursts into flames one day and I am not able to put out the fire, I will say "Yep, shoulda put the fire extinguisher in the cockpit" and then walk to the pub for a quiet pint while I contemplate what to do with the insurance money. Mike ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 14:54:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083154055D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17468403F6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id eg20so714739lab.13 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W4F8KayJB+k+bSO2PAL4cDT57Abyj104lz8NIFhUv8Q=; b=hNzNHn0Rm+KeEgCwqaEDlE49FQ2sVJFZhu/2q36/pUsNKVFsN7wVjAza+dRHCrwIC1 6n59BfaqVoBqrt8gMSdEIryyOifT9sb1dW6rOroJmeR0Noo3MsHSpD5RIAKO0itR0fQK s1lhctOYr02G4HmYn3Jlj/dX1iI2GiZuLsGSTh9jXBf82Y8T/ATu49uZQojWwoytIkd6 l4qNlIBmkPT8t1/NIpE0z/xAh+ktXJMyEXv9IAeIa4ik6+IWdtAmkcth+1g5n8ic+ebg BjJN6MmCCm7DPQeRcXFVcNTUzIDIOCvgooUXhX5Jj8BzcRdJQz0ryzofwLe9DoAoI0UU mSZg== g7mr3684151laf.20.1369947038199; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:50:37 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Tr3 Brake servo installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have any pictures of TR 3 brake servo installations I saw one picture in how to restore or tr2 to tr 3s. It look like it was on the inside of the drivers fender well. Thanks Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 14:58:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED2840E1C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5409F403F6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id er20so716035lab.33 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/9f0lVhD3w4F9NyPn8U1QkjqLa/LUbtpgq2KYXYEFqA=; b=H+mgqyrACO3zony/Dtd5lu1kIzxtBIaOO6e4UGoZcwmMBXyGR0xitcs9aRHJjeREGD kKgboFDOYtEl8aE4jHs3FRwrP2aXFDtPnFXIp/XKYMwQDJ2Ojt5ktC33nYIqVetm+Uj/ v8sIomceh5EyFb5HWdMDkL7W2WnZ4HrDWjRZypEgzsWnqXtlbQAcNf7BIgWpfGNRB6fH a8DWpBhUlVJaf/SS7d92eYJTGQuzNlGUeueis+1Rgb2iO8BuAo4IbZJutocHCAZJ3MGt yr1/9xRUoWAva4ITXdXlnDOiC1L1s8D3ihMoPV9NQdIuwcSANRdI/unsrpM0TrMKmLlq zcHQ== zf5mr4511989lbb.59.1369947248763; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:54:08 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3 Brake servo installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry I should clarify remote brake servo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 10:57:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7829142708 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BE640567 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id igrf1l00753lu5001grfNo; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:51:40 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:51:45 -0500 Subject: [TR] ultimate dpo continued Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net this is one of the best! front brakes would grab, but not release. tried new hoses, but that didnbt help. thought they looked odd. finally figured out b the hoses were connected where the bleed valve should be, and visa versa. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:54:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779254044C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764FD4271B for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:44:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:44:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:44:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370022247; bh=T4LTPj+ab8SL7ig4smNDPXlAVv8WgUFhlRT/S0b5KrM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=eP2zEWxb7BO2DZo1nZh5OR+xpjQzLp78oiWj81JO1JOJ0xSQqsV0w8KzGmaU/FRXiXocPnFCZ638H9Y3XV4NuzznNBCL8bl18ggegEkEwx37/LsCfPZIGWChqhZMatnCYajmcYHEZoHtPis280gKZLIdSQ/mRgEnLccB/EmHj0g= M5.K4Rt2Km1uACCyfnfpSrS.GEmu9BKXDs92rzqIbfZmX7VhnQNkoiCByjSx evn.WDfH8fR_5PEAGteXkvEUYxgMJZCWuXcd0jqzdy019vt4e7dmo.gxzCCZ RxoJROhl.OiN7ZHyFnLaKMAF4O4KVsDr17H.H0ImpQEzbT6uSMIGz5XrXG1S A5MQzpeeC7WdazfhEMxExHagtLuYB8EmD5WBAd5sHu0KHuLyjn5n1QDpuF7l G.TlexvxO2ZvOPccpuXZptOuSfo2RdQRBo8VJT2wdZsZtfhubT2dvC.4z1aK 1QsnyawZhJQ5zUwvz1lU4FVLM4Atu4OrNqZ8kw6JqWmvFPrAqXHY6Z_JI4UZ wd5uOUWG9Y.gqlamP9PEtzEgZQPeJzuL8Tqxr4Ba.QqyVadETAtGZGBDXnhe JoZXoaz5VbiLLHSZT_k7Ao2gWBE6ONx16l9HoX9J5EGQEtdMz2KeevUzOOOw ujRLIyW0- plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 10:44:07 -0700 PDT From: Bill_Beecher Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:44:08 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] Tr sighting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sitting here watching "its a mad mad mad mad world"... again. So many great cars, and comedians, including a grey TR3 in the final chase scene. I read somewhere that Parnelli Jones and AJ Foyt did the stunt driving in the cabs. And no CGI! Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:55:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5CF42718 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A6040066 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:46:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.58] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:46:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:46:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370022371; bh=UYwb2tqkcgYksgATpWiFHdgR8uz+cQBZj30e/xXbdrY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Fczh8tAcDs6Td5CQREwtZFSo7i4dhHnbMxv22NW20zjjkxIvOnVU3DzyfSd+vNgyy6uC0dvNWRo6ZdqHVVaYcXaJilsh7UqOMGwdEHi5mm+xAORjYxUCWqpCbgjisblU0O/TQCkl+VWJKiWjlV5Wh0dFdh90JT1+lS8dXYLnJNg= q5AwqgHdxz3GzEFvgriEhz3.jMNC6AtWS0PRinWJ1uAfwnu4.88sgAoon.1s G2Q2Xqtyj3vpOCkRWzBDHzLqAZ_KwjiLfEKHoY1lC2pQ_Ri7VnOtIadxvvj4 hluDQdFv38Vx2j8yZ0uJCYPp1ICda9Nx59j85A0z0rp.QBTD5Esy3qdmCYDp KEsQr7A38Pb7qNz99fx9wo8F6PhjKwz902R0ZJmdF3xdq2JVLOIvl4XMaXgc EV3KQasz8Ygo9KZ7UDurg8svLmNxFjQHsWC29fQ85m0SRhlunMSKolAlYhVH EfJVY9ZbfTF2malb3XbXs_Kx6yOQ6M2jUoVr47Es5IMEQfSp451e2XMSc8QQ zkCNdsWp3czFvvEDydEIY7vQ6voUX47dwuiDoi.A1Ae1hLIke_zdNpkcP_JF XC36Nd3b6G3Yrg61zID8YNTjIEmXuhpH4kvZ89VpQTvNnStaBaCN9PlhGuDs Z82S9Nr9NEmRh2DuKkpTcheVX34_XKV.yQPTEWreTAxp_K9ptL5NNbhryCuY - smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 17:46:11 +0000 UTC References: <2BAEEDF3F34948469C7193D307E89BDF@Datsun> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:46:11 -0500 To: Dave Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] ultimate dpo continued Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good catch, drive safely. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "Dave" wrote: > this is one of the best! > > front brakes would grab, but not release. tried new hoses, but that didnbt > help. thought they looked odd. > > finally figured out b the hoses were connected where the bleed valve should > be, and visa versa. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 14:34:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6270A4054C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-06-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C75403FB for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:33:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.116]) by p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id ikVm1l0032Wr24H01kVmFT; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:29:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 18483 invoked by uid 99); 31 May 2013 20:29:46 -0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:29:46 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI 24605 Subject: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Late tr3. Have not had the car long. Finally running and driving today. Looks like all the gages except tach and temp are finally working. Tach screams; its probably bad. Temp gage is lifeless. Other than confirming its lack of response by puting the sensor in hot water, is there anything else I can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 14:43:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A12E40551 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6624740405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gf12so1390819vcb.13 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:36:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YrYbCq4mSJlxewuOS1FQWPs2lCYb7V/U3kMPSwRXtYs=; b=s5JtgwmkH5I+SCEgKyWJdsGfD4Hmyk82jf5NWJc4qzVLHHr0webe6xzxpGa6PAmppE ExPBxv79dmbhA1A687l5okhSoyFrzq7SYL/6qfl9eTAI5WXN1mpydlaek9rmG5jfVXO9 TxYIeWH9Hm29nqgHg4402psHaoH7u+Sn5I/PkunmlIVXrVxYuJoHSTYCB2cLTsG87q/I sgKUx6Fd9mZsanMF9pviNdGs/wxPnZGbMlkOu0HhKot1iNw8uo5PWz2vZT7YRiqSaZhg PbMeWDsr9QRuW9flFn5jEPI+T3EeK1ozLSnM6C4NBdSYMsML1fhgXvGIo2XPVZPyQkFw M3nA== oe7mr11777832vcb.20.1370032611702; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:36:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130531132946.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.c6a8a1310e.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:36:51 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is a site with some useful info: Smiths/Jaeger Speedometer Repair Manual The tach is much the same inside as the speedo only simpler (no odo's) and easier to repair. At the very least you can decide if you want tackle it yourself. The temp gauge also has DIY instructions on the web but that is a bit trickier -- bordering on a lab experiment from second semester chemistry. I have fixed speedos & tachs -- haven't (yet) had to delve into the temp gauge fix. Geo On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > Late tr3. Have not had the car long. Finally running and driving today. > Looks like all the gages except tach and temp are finally working. Tach > screams; its probably bad. Temp gage is lifeless. Other than confirming > its > lack of response by puting the sensor in hot water, is there anything else > I > can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? > Reply Forward Click here to Reply or Forward On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Here is a site with some useful info: > > > Smiths/Jaeger Speedometer Repair Manual > > > > The tach is much the same inside as the speedo only simpler (no odo's) and > easier to repair. At the very least you can decide if you want tackle it > yourself. > > > > The temp gauge also has DIY instructions on the web but that is a bit > trickier -- bordering on a lab experiment from second semester chemistry. > > > > I have fixed speedos & tachs -- haven't (yet) had to delve into the temp > gauge fix. > > > > Geo > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > >> Late tr3. Have not had the car long. Finally running and driving today. >> Looks like all the gages except tach and temp are finally working. Tach >> screams; its probably bad. Temp gage is lifeless. Other than >> confirming its >> lack of response by puting the sensor in hot water, is there anything >> else I >> can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 15:18:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B5440542 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777EA403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:11:49 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=YTHtZiAxaJsA:10 a=I_5RNyk1AAAA:8 a=qncr86F2uVEA:10 a=4P_Lx7GmNd1zzBXrcwoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GPewzcx_epk_8hH2ny0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=dYBU4WE1Iqc-d6-k:21 a=SSdbxPwKFa8LZ0krVC0WLw==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.mail=asg123@centurylink.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com header.from=asg123@centurylink.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com: 10.40.66.0 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of centurylink.net) Received: from [10.40.66.0] ([10.40.66.0:33968] helo=md42.agate.dfw.synacor.com) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id 0B/E4-21727-41119A15; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:07:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "ARNOLD " To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fire extinguisher location Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a fire in my 1965 TR4A 18 years ago. Grabbed the extinguisher from behind passenger seat popped the hood and put it out. Reconnected the gasoline line at the strombergs and finished driving home. Still without collision or comprehensive insurance. Arnold, of course all the standard disclaimers apply. -- . Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. W. Somerset Maugham (1874-1965) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 15:38:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D0640405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f180.google.com (mail-ye0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188C0403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r11so22560yen.11 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:33:58 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=cgYZjoo7G/YJS2KhKr8NmOgWXhzKh2nOBY6UtdyG1ww=; b=FjyN6NWaqZkPfPexv3RXRcpnHMblVlKviC2tL1+84Qxisrq43tRolIELva0r5mhlEr YoqSuzKDlWzvogKrc4kUBLubwnpcxNm9BXJL1QEmiIbWvYi0spk98Uwqcq/5NWFvoE7c 4CFaWMAzLuG8rGq2ebLwWG0boqMSfNXcQi7nQH1er1MKz0rMi/vk9Y9cZojIwDfQ29lA qww+yaTm5AQPw19A2tN0bzAskdvqnh1t4T8qnLiFOcBmqg3+RevJFM3htx3C4/FBM32H kOLGGn0OkEyUm8s2Z1utLUIBZHcDLbRXZ+lxbs3jY0FFapWUExZ61O671Xd1vbvw6dpG rmNw== b47mr1837874yho.77.1370036038267; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f19sm69576417yhj.3.2013.05.31.14.33.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 May 2013 14:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:34:17 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5eRdQRaoKG/2gZTVO9MPofWfna0w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 15:48:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7348140539 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCC4403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 21:44:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370036678; bh=1GLKC+2ZGJ4y2jbsrovAJ+Gx7NXYwyKEP2kxDki9WK0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=EizL1B21zEiFSgW82J35GYV3X3t5BuRtYvhl0RmP7loT/mqQrbKA48b3FneP2sXOpVRaHsYVX94wPa9S9ALJVqAoTSEOMnoJqi5+vb28/kk+RPO+CTczLTgCjIUp5rkHQXYeXDZrVu034yibiifnqe/tgrvPvfVCgk+Qms+i8T0= BWnEYdE_GlhcGZNAoE4qu9JkEJjTK4SCnQfsMgRP9yOM7IKvZH0BHxA4EDDd 3CHOLpmKBCbyp4njJom7CREq2l1seeucNW8MpS0bkklxz0YVHHT2p0ziQ756 1qJkY7L4KKDKzXCPCfyxIE1Vn7wc27aw6tNIPETQFiNkIg.lOgC4WKw7sYpi gT4Szmckm2P3k0eb7LB63P24QbJAeUshc9O5s3UEeQFfoTVIWFeSItmvGTu8 O.zMul9oy5KW.jXrLQAk4mdZ6jvwTfdihefN4MeeWSVXDCS2HlgsrPrlLeER kTPvMaUQX1UxXDKTVcq33z3wrPxbHqv3acjDWeBNV9K8lTgASk.Ljq61Z83u oNYLmzcyhq9YvSb7YP9bec3H32LkfovrA_w3Nd1zzaIVyl9zqQ7O7EkKGBEc h4WFHy4C1w10M9vA- smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 14:44:38 -0700 PDT From: To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:44:29 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5eRdQRaoKG/2gZTVO9MPofWfna0wAAXNSA Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net <...The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit....> Jim, While I have never installed an engine w/o the tranny I have pulled and installed the tranny a couple of times from inside the car and I have pulled and installed the engine/tranny combo a couple of times as well. Much easier to get the engine/tranny together and buttoned up before you install it. Sounds like you have the right tools for the job, I would also recommend that you get the car up on blocks/stands to give you maximum clearance under the car as the tranny comes down at angle and the engine needs room in front for it to come to level. Hope this helps, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine Install The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 15:53:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE5342711 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B1140382 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BDBA0797 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:51:08 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I prefer installing them as a unit. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:02:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1815940532 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37FD403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ihnL1l00317dt5G5Clxivb; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:57:42 +0000 Received: from [10.226.251.113] ([174.237.43.164]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ilxW1l00g3YXb5J3ZlxZSA; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:57:40 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?QVJOT0xEIA==?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:39 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370037462; bh=ng6l6nFOBiyj/ig83aBLB7acd11y4hA2qTQREpJw1AA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EzCgJAd/aMmEfaXIpmHepfd5wmfFDQeHcGy7P7nztqCmldrQihy6QscwuXtDslLFA vOblAC4MN6vad1u9fDI77jbAa2Or96pn70pKswS/NlXvXeXjZP4ESb2lsWNAPFl0IV jhjga6Ql/PHi7N3iM2HyHqnmN2wP/anlWZHyBuIH22H6J5IQIsCnnWTsSNT1XtHcKV xCussvIvkd8h3Ka75h9oRzqZkuIIyLf53xrTTZUEw+WHR8VF99lizuITLsLh29FI4J T9wadT7T7BNG/OkC3Ck1dLQoFDNgbSeTkcsOj7HteJiUOD6sTP1dtRBj/dGEl1UCtt b3KZAWL/fFiMw== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fire_extinguisher_location?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I usually mount mine next to the hot exhaust manifold. That way, it explodes early, alleviating any need, desire, or ability to put out any fire anytime for any reason. I drive completely uninsured, naked, without seatbelts. I eat nothing but junkfood and smoke 25 packs of unfiltered Camels a day. I also drive through east LA hurling racial epithets at random gang members. With my gas gauge on empty. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "ARNOLD " To: Subject: [TR] Fire extinguisher location Date: Fri, May 31, 2013 4:07 pm I had a fire in my 1965 TR4A 18 years ago. Grabbed the extinguisher from behind passenger seat popped the hood and put it out. Reconnected the gasoline line at the strombergs and finished driving home. Still without collision or comprehensive insurance. Arnold, of course all the standard disclaimers apply. -- .. Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. W. Somerset Maugham (1874-1965) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:03:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C54053A for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDC9403E7 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.8] helo=mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UiXMD-0007Lp-Lu for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:33 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UiXMD-0006tw-1Z; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:33 -0400 Received: from webmail05.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.5]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id ilzY1l00E06ZD2201lzZdY; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:33 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=Q1-qOSdZrFAA:10 a=a6_hgkh14k9hLCsCPAUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=VvFq4pgRw0hsDbru1LvkIw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UiXLt-0001ZN-7U; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:13 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:13 -0400 i06.secureserver.net> References: <20130531132946.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.c6a8a1310e.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:13 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: dave@ranteer.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I have seen temp gauges that went to full hot have the internal linkage separate from the bourdon tube. You would need to remove the gauge far enough to get the chrome ring, glass, and face of to see if this is the problem. If so, it can be put back in place. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Late tr3. Have not had the car long. Finally running and driving today. > Looks like all the gages except tach and temp are finally working. Tach > screams; its probably bad. Temp gage is lifeless. Other than confirming > its > lack of response by puting the sensor in hot water, is there anything else > I > can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:08:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8F440415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040E14032B for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ikCc1l0030vyq2s53m45Ro; Fri, 31 May 2013 22:04:05 +0000 Received: from [10.226.251.113] ([174.237.43.164]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id im3t1l00p3YXb5J3Rm3wF8; Fri, 31 May 2013 22:04:03 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?SmFtZXMgSGVubmluZ3Nlbg==?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:04:02 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370037845; bh=wBxRRMFt0YNoSzz+EuWvNK7LfKSNzlGDgu06W8adYOM=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NucUlLfzKf5H0BsUs4B+lQAVJ0M+H8kxxeR3JvhGxYWULi0GCgl6a8XBKK5Q+xC5M OGuVqgQYD3MQa3NInRAymjW3zcAUQ9bDJg2S0LdKUBNSD2XZKn8n35UWnC8mGbLer9 BzxonZrwl4ftA/V2x3Wiw05cvWiQ/EblwMTukMhLsvn2MqtX954jeuS7qUwg2ql0yu vlDWmVPc+tMxDD3HcEq0O5/1JWCmqlzX1e8eq0zw8ICEUQroa/b5Ts1ZwjjtXj2Eqo l7BBhHYAAqc8w45MkiPRS1gCIIPKgqqGIRDd7O1PHV2n4s9E6Y9aZ0t0u4NjTZDDgu m55WVe87bQU9Q== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Engine_Install?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I've done it both ways. It seems to take longer with the engine and tranny separated. If you have a pristine new paint job, it seems a bit easier to juggle two bits instead of one really big one without scratching anything. But anything is possible with a little cardboard! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "James Henningsen" To: Subject: [TR] Engine Install Date: Fri, May 31, 2013 4:34 pm The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:18:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99FE40530 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D7C4032C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130531221435.YQXY10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:14:35 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id imEa1l00a3enFnk05mEa5x; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:14:35 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=7mmUnnxv8gMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=jMmY8pXRSItmatAS8bEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:14:32 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIFEnueKnMC/o7nR5gLdz7IrnLIypiycV7g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - I installed an engine/transmission combination into our TR6 using a tractor loader as the hoist. I'm not saying I would recommend it to others, but that's what we had at the time. Definitely a little hairy when attempting to achieve the proper angle, etc., but it worked for us. I think I would prefer working with the transmission mounting block rather than guiding the input shaft to the pilot bushing, etc. Also, you have a lot more leverage when grabbing onto the transmission tail as opposed to the rear of the engine block. Good luck. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine Install The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 17:58:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0304D40427 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f47.google.com (mail-yh0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7219E403FE for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id f73so583124yha.34 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=WP9h1ko35QyWIpnIpHExJI/kY5B+V8VZyxdJwnV79I0=; b=0kva9tzsiQzAbkJptKv9XAng3+8N7DjNqUJxg3+sQSgo5LdIBq3a87V0bndX52LWm6 lcjVhbRoMqcfoLoO+OlY4EnziWG4vXaxQtNkNoNyAm9DqTF/6e+lguerE/9aUT+4hhyh o2/ua0WBc8l1VkPPswaYvQY7HkxcITVEsbwhEPZY2cvwSVwaQiijpmjeuCqrNpAZUdro edA5WMM1yBw41TorU3zgc8/7FSCpnQ3e4xqmaPuzzbCWSZeUBfDKDOywveszYLrChBy3 nqU5e28dAkqxF6JJGXQILN2reA/PIWQYaT+RFj11FdT3E5+dBaUwaygQs+QUGgqQy1q+ GDLA== u63mr8506950yhf.157.1370044428774; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z67sm16385192yhb.5.2013.05.31.16.53.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 May 2013 16:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com> <000601ce5e4c$3a1a9870$ae4fc950$@charter.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 19:54:08 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIFEnueKnMC/o7nR5gLdz7IrnLIygJfDoAimJ+Wf8A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the responses. If installing as a combined unit did you need to take the top cover off the tranny as the manual explains? I assume for clearance. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:15 PM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Engine Install Jim - I installed an engine/transmission combination into our TR6 using a tractor loader as the hoist. I'm not saying I would recommend it to others, but that's what we had at the time. Definitely a little hairy when attempting to achieve the proper angle, etc., but it worked for us. I think I would prefer working with the transmission mounting block rather than guiding the input shaft to the pilot bushing, etc. Also, you have a lot more leverage when grabbing onto the transmission tail as opposed to the rear of the engine block. Good luck. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine Install The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 18:04:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7986E4051C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54A7403FE for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-60-196.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.60.196]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MNO00KBDT4TCF90@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 May 2013 23:55:43 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-31_09:2013-05-31,2013-05-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305310265 From: Darrell Walker Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:55:41 -0700 References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com> <000601ce5e4c$3a1a9870$ae4fc950$@charter.net> <006901ce5e5a$24dd17e0$6e9747a0$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 31, 2013, at 4:54 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > If installing as a combined unit did you need to > take the top cover off the tranny as the manual explains? I assume for > clearance. I never have, though I see how it might help. Just get one of those devices that lets you tilt the engine, and it isn't hard to get the tail low enough. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 18:07:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E77E40424 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC9940355 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 23:58:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 23:58:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 23:58:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370044716; bh=ktULFMPdbz54p46a+pSiMO58KptpO3Hjoifu3os77fI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=xBsjvGiapVFoGNk55j8u4ctoCixGP0V+9p1ODeeSiIqr2Xf6+rkVY51epIH7+hvwb/VqLZJagtfVZEMZqBcC9yLMij95tdxJOiB7xqbVN2CvgEiHg9IjPNZXruSgp5JXMe+QgWvVftCVEUklpSsdU/hZGgrOpJb89dh3fvWcMUA= PnpwTTQ8WkreRUivx4MbBM9iN0hdKPQTld7BnVNIQjzFs6b0rMnneMVB8wBB S3PBAfL9GAdlJ00g40Q_U4f3y6K7wGTNjOXSq6AC43ELzy8MFHrw8Rm.KDy2 ELIO8EpHQstIBM_VMo_nc1utAz_JZYwXWpRJmg5Vdi2vMke7N46JpZnwSo.6 F0tzm.rtUqNqpYZnfin50QJnueiMEALeUSzoLQFWW6IR97z7bEParJRgyDuI GJQDVhqfn5ri9XapBli6iOJp_oAGNi.A9_oefC9.dwqqwzzFqzA6sORAjQoJ b54n9.JAZZww.C0pyy_kRG7z94ombAqOBsx160Re73iLLQGj0WAJCCs03E4P Bbyc5C8IRCVpQGpxqDuWve1tFjtlCDeF_mXVSP5Gr0uCcVPcMejBQfME_07v dj7GfMfi5XLR8bWAxriDFGlxtI72RckpnaGXPV7a2tdFHEdZHpNe6dPsROcP GkT0jwxMiBb2L8kec86zQzptwQzDVcpV2f4d3VC8YdYshbIQUM3EmnDkxCip a smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 16:58:36 -0700 PDT From: To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com><000601ce5e4c$3a1a9870$ae4fc950$@charter.net> <006901ce5e5a$24dd17e0$6e9747a0$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:58:23 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIFEnueKnMC/o7nR5gLdz7IrnLIygJfDoAimJ+Wf8CAAAC6UA== Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't on the TR3, just the shifter. Clearance gets close when you hit the point of straightening out the unit for final touchdown, this is why I try to raise the car 5"-10" on blocks(please be sure they are sound). Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:54 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Thanks for the responses. If installing as a combined unit did you need to take the top cover off the tranny as the manual explains? I assume for clearance. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:15 PM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Engine Install Jim - I installed an engine/transmission combination into our TR6 using a tractor loader as the hoist. I'm not saying I would recommend it to others, but that's what we had at the time. Definitely a little hairy when attempting to achieve the proper angle, etc., but it worked for us. I think I would prefer working with the transmission mounting block rather than guiding the input shaft to the pilot bushing, etc. Also, you have a lot more leverage when grabbing onto the transmission tail as opposed to the rear of the engine block. Good luck. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine Install The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 18:20:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88723403A0 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FFD4032B for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f11so593251yha.27 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:15:58 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=ei/VeEFNJWaroke7UvyIo61IvVM0wWGFbdCgWGKJ+Gg=; b=fhLpstqv091jHL1eOVugUTSr33UUgJXkgzXLnTqL/mLIOnUTWHHNofREuDRyXHZKdW 1NfXfL5VHuqxSpKzFvGMWttPAOQJEcqXVwCIkJiqa8ccvdZnpNeZzeSNrKAwXygQ0+2i 0NviQt25ONqgkijdgZlFOBJUFvfFF+rqK8EBXPKNvqwmXFJIquwNME0tDVkx+M331S7C e1Dege9OXLLoRafSoGHaC5pZA+tR5icBzUVZpTJPGCm5Xk+0ZWmgpRW+4GVUXwiM0HKX MtUH9Pl1x06F74pULdxiuIgNoSrKLmWNTSdyClxZr9NT0HE9tpN0391Gn25XvuUxsVvN 2zaQ== m30mr8417061yhd.122.1370045758157; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w12sm71457646yhj.19.2013.05.31.17.15.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 May 2013 17:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com><000601ce5e4c$3a1a9870$ae4fc950$@charter.net> <006901ce5e5a$24dd17e0$6e9747a0$@gmail.com> <068BF7B24C994114A0D587339C420F94@bboffice> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:16:17 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIFEnueKnMC/o7nR5gLdz7IrnLIygJfDoAiAOr+1pwBlaaG5piLl8Hg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the responses. You all are the best Jim -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:58 PM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Engine Install I didn't on the TR3, just the shifter. Clearance gets close when you hit the point of straightening out the unit for final touchdown, this is why I try to raise the car 5"-10" on blocks(please be sure they are sound). Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:54 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Thanks for the responses. If installing as a combined unit did you need to take the top cover off the tranny as the manual explains? I assume for clearance. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:15 PM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Engine Install Jim - I installed an engine/transmission combination into our TR6 using a tractor loader as the hoist. I'm not saying I would recommend it to others, but that's what we had at the time. Definitely a little hairy when attempting to achieve the proper angle, etc., but it worked for us. I think I would prefer working with the transmission mounting block rather than guiding the input shaft to the pilot bushing, etc. Also, you have a lot more leverage when grabbing onto the transmission tail as opposed to the rear of the engine block. Good luck. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine Install The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 18:36:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDF040531 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CA440404 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ioFR1l0021c6gX853oXzAi; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 00:31:59 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ioXz1l00Q2ymm843joXzXP; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 00:31:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:31:59 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1370046719; bh=FQss+URQ26q0GUv40UcxtqtEjqrI2x1sDQAv87dG6Fk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hQJNwzm/vAFIbXR/eUAEah05kpFMLi7DfLB9GmTSIVOpNZDamVVO7scC1WzOwmjaF 4AjWvkXyj00QN1si3kI1p/mS66P8freugk9m48AxRZQthFG0h7rIHqfMSGaMBgSDxU RhJ7Q/extMfyehSKT6DekLO8aX6yiUZ6Ag/OsiQXxPn8TxFaTfOa1Kueq7wi/Ys9yC jHq0hbrtDOo1apD50GKMFb0dXC7hpIHMJK0jO9adhRmlAsBiwnMosH6I3ZMtnne52R Wi0eKFt/WWzCaEiUMwtY+myJrUDfwMzsGUG54+VdCy20RYFhdu+4PzFJ+1Aucwtnx5 j1OGDi2bn1W/w== Subject: [TR] Of New Zealand Overdrives and Bosch Alternators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I sent the following to some local Triumph owners, but thought it might be of interest to other TR owners. The 'J' type overdrive in question was purchased on Ebay from a seller with great feedback. The alternator is frequently recommended as a "bolt in" unit for TR6's. It probably is for cars built before January 1975. Ed Woods "All, Some of you have heard of the trials and tribulations Bill , Bruce and I have been enduring over the past few weeks, trying to get an overdrive, purchased on Ebay from a guy in New Zealand, operable. After practially dismantling it in place a number of times and still never seeing any hydraulic pressure, we finally gave up and removed the entire transmission last week, separated the 'J' type overdrive, and sent it to my mentor, John Esposito, for diagnosis and testing. The problem turned out to be caused by the remains of a rubber 'O' ring blocking a port within the solenoid housing. It also had an incorrect non-return valve and the wrong internal speedo gear. We'd already determined that the external speedo gear and its clamping mechanism were incorrect, costing around $100 to fix. The o/d had been taken from a Triumph sedan; "2500" I think. The seller's claim was that this unit had been "rebuilt and tested" and was suitable for a TR6. Sure it was. So, John got it all back together and tested on Saturday and shipped it to me onTuesday. It arrived Thursday. Not bad: a one week turn around, including a holiday weekend. Bill and I stuck it back on the gearbox and reinstalled the thing today. Unfortunately, we lost the copper washer for the solenoid, so were unable to road test it. We are getting better at removing and replacing a 'J' type overdrive in a late TR6, however. Prayer and a pair of forceps help a bunch on the 4 rear mount bracket bolts. We also found that the Bosch alternator is not a "drop in" on TR6's built after January 1975, the ones with an air pump. Are we the first to discover this? There's no mention of it on the internet, not that we could find anyway. Ended up replacing the '76 air pump/alternator combo bracket with one from a TR250 which was still no easy task, since the bearer plate is also different on later cars. We found all this out as we went along. Biggest clue to the later alternator installation, other than the air pump, is that the adjusting link is beneath the alternator. So we await a new adjusting link and a copper washer, but the hard work, we hope, is done. Maybe next week we can get the car to Larry Learn for its new interior.... Ed" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 18:42:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B804041D for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EA340404 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 00:37:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370047069; bh=v6OVmwpzzwiXzXiUCFLva+Own3ELkcBLkH16jqMWTvA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Oz8DyxMvh7Rw4iJTXq9PXCl2jpMvqDw2IJSG/502ZpQhSTT8JHBFepkyUodFH85v/xNCD+gDx+hzLU9knqelXEFLV8Jj5+M3lhi5hxdMQDO/UB+PFDEXhQr/HHkWT6Jm9WoXVRPVKCzpwcyteTQDTvECKVrdOoRYt6x+flDeqyM= bgsbV3.KaUMJIYdyx1xP1a64b8c2lnd1D0rxobqdoM8J.t3tiUYcNijXw_Js u6KW6B12UagQ6xTCR8DMPbXyFmxID4er.9DyfLiVceZA75Ab0ngzC0EPcIkN 4dBtSJfHHF0aCrVxz.2eEZS9zinMkvIcifgFZBAuijtAWoUVYRcih3r2iM3w 9p12TIOaq87Tc7eE7qthUYVERjBM5j94dUl3MI..b.EbCJlMx9_uaN8j4Wtm AuC3uSKZdWuTmJ_a_WxZE6FeQj7i4JThqd20pKx3sHnIAohOkXgnHIfGeJHM R2KCgouxJAOnAQ0XRf6th5LbJH6_Ko6W0g0PKqAVO4IaCc5YZaNHcPBeOqAz JScWaQizFCdleSbBhbHPTwWiIWCreoRCOEhCyLuBr50YNBL2z51nqshEtvnV VYhRz_PN65usMsgxJWY_yffLr3_BtcqJAKe2f4DvDrLPCLepPRFvMjZuZcwq sAoyDOYSj_SVmNB4MR3.q1rLevENVljQTy4q0DNALp_5bmPh8RHpq7kWWq8T h94rk_7d2JRF3wHlajPWKtr7k4L17pnL2 smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 17:37:49 -0700 PDT From: To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 19:37:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5eYBtBgn6uU9XLR1ucfmk3ni6rIA== Subject: [TR] TR3 Timing advance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Going through and cleaning/adjusting points with a new condenser, went the the VTR site to inquire about the dwell angle and came across a post that said "Most of us are finding that the timing is set a lot further forward(than 4 degrees BTDC). Like about 12 to 14 degrees". I have always run about 4-6 degrees BTDC, but never as much as was suggested. No qualifiers were given with regards to any performance mods or electronic ignition. So, the question would be, where are you setting the idle timing on your TR2-4? Does this much advance make sense? Sound dangerous to me. Thanks, BillBill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 19:37:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD58140418 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 19:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB7140404 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 19:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id q13so1477566vbe.8 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:29:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BOt1TVpkTvwLYXlLxbjIvW6nXJwGwSMH+qGM+Vp3jUA=; b=CAO2AA5mzJWnR3Wgm0S1Nww4vLWE9sagq+2kVMWXkj0SKUoDOsN9gf+g6ZnmPDsN0G Gp1bjCDBwoS8NtLondIJ3qhvH8O4lgPmYhWhz6btPvprRIL3fEvOp75NgzqFySG1dLwC GJsC62xs+YNhZGBRh4l3McubotIsoBqx6eUSjTDUIQQ+QVkZiA/cqcnAiSs/6jQI3b75 Ac8yRcjCCbH1r1VFLRxiv+vpcq3ZQ1O6X0ke36Bkqnt5CSSwiDPmzgiKyO//lq6+gYx6 TtGoAZTD+kWgDPBNA6VFw2z6klGmSDCfVHULPg+8PZwIe3iKAYEKH17LvHpTpTre6T82 rVVg== ue6mr12645959vec.20.1370050171417; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:29:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <56ACA93E50E04FB4816F1B1FC807BF1B@bboffice> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:29:31 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Wbeech@flash.net" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, wrote: > ..."Most of us are finding that the timing is set a lot further > forward(than 4 degrees BTDC). Like about 12 to 14 degrees"... > > So, the question would be, where are you setting the idle timing on your > TR2-4? Does this much advance make sense? Not to me. I set static by the book then adjust as needed to eliminate pinging/knocking. At most that is a couple of degrees. After I'm done I put a timing light on it to see where the timing is at high RPM when the advance is all-in... just to assure myself that this is a reasonable number. I do that because pinging would be hard to hear at high RPM so best to be sure it isn't too advanced. Of course 3s & 4s have different advance curves -- but if the 120-140 is a static setting I would think the results would not be good. OTOH -- if they are setting the timing at idle using a timing light that is a very different matter as centrifugal advance comes on pretty early, starting before typical idle speed. http://tinyurl.com/kwkf4hk Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 21:44:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3BB40424 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE7A400FF for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:39:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:39:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:39:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370057966; bh=xnMguhdfuOkMlwdB7mECoK7AyXlqZVOn6YVFufAm6do=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=zQemrysDYVpF+6yy37ngdz/iDMtWAcLWc+nuWK31jY4OaWsL1b48+YTvFuwAX2vNqfuRH9PXV1zyiSNhKG6ZMZ3yoIaLjwm3TMtHAGsMCtyrt9mm6+PP4jBvn5cToqAGiQ/5tMIgzv212pt0fbzd3mp86nPpzE920Hh8t82SjwI= CoFR6Hbj1IvBJDRgpHrv0jiuMbGKAnpBWHwmC8Dn0dDv.49eo3l2nvqlmkTy _HpkN2eEg_IKo3o19NrdRdrG5lhezMp794ct0mEAFLlA7VbpaPD1X.nii.i6 x5w8MLRd68NwzyW592wfMnOI6Mj8lFasYaCl7tO3k9ttrKtVr1JhOsFQ.vpC vjwDYpWH9hqJs8GJouAy4uBdXj320wB7AEs6siPt__CMivALFY_54YumFr9I BwKlT2N_KIt1gAMxsFx2KPgfSG30AaplW2Qu4yVcpGYRlTAohrpGx7hTUAPQ JSJtCulyrdZBEcFz_b5vTH8pmIY76qqQsIjH.mRuhzBNGO0H_B9sc9tLkjGZ dDAZ5UaujMfFiQdIDSpRDApcdtbv_LLWuwmYKwgqo.7hzkLNhVepRg3ulZK5 VbFXrDFrBSZD6mP43y57NzYW9EJijEUJy5miwaPYpde3PUigj1S4tDxJlvcH uLptaIce1ckOGOPt8E_CjfmHWRdo.6aslJUCJeN48TxaKjKiKY1sMe5MPI4J OKNYCTuNaL5tXE7hW1NM1T.2WexESLQH.3muk7bMZfbcdI59OMRHJUtzWkVy ZHhW_Lw6PeduxeBGNflevEUrU smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 20:39:26 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: <56ACA93E50E04FB4816F1B1FC807BF1B@bboffice> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:38:55 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5eZ3gaemQvTZtSTm+9Myekeq8kpQABOEBQ Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My timing is full-stop retarded at 500 RPM where I check it with the light at 5 degrees BTDC. I don't have any pinging issues and run mid-grade petrol. I have been trying all areas as I have had a hesitation that has been driving me nuts for the past year. Even after 30 minutes of driving, it will want to stall off a stop sign or light. Thinking back to some previous posts from the list, Terriann comented with the possiblilty that the condensor & points could be an issue. I have periodically cleaned and set the points but never replaced the condensor since I have had the car. Bottom line: Pulled the points and gave them a good cleaning with a sharping stone and replaced the condensor. Tarbaby is now running like a champ off every stop, I can't believe I have overlooked the condensor for so long. I love this list!! Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" Keep Calm and Carry On _____ From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:30 PM To: Wbeech@flash.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM, wrote: ..."Most of us are finding that the timing is set a lot further forward(than 4 degrees BTDC). Like about 12 to 14 degrees"... So, the question would be, where are you setting the idle timing on your TR2-4? Does this much advance make sense? Not to me. I set static by the book then adjust as needed to eliminate pinging/knocking. At most that is a couple of degrees. After I'm done I put a timing light on it to see where the timing is at high RPM when the advance is all-in... just to assure myself that this is a reasonable number. I do that because pinging would be hard to hear at high RPM so best to be sure it isn't too advanced. Of course 3s & 4s have different advance curves -- but if the 120-140 is a static setting I would think the results would not be good. OTOH -- if they are setting the timing at idle using a timing light that is a very different matter as centrifugal advance comes on pretty early, starting before typical idle speed. http://tinyurl.com/kwkf4hk Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 22:45:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE1840409 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 22:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9E840405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 22:45:26 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=FPyh_PYwdYwA:10 a=4uXTLJdR_sMWnSk_zDAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=afjcNHo0vZyXlczSo00A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Y6Ty8uu-jgoOmyss:21 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:55930] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4E/BA-22496-86B79A15; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 04:41:13 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:41:12 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5egjz8IMmdtIx1SvGKnhuSjKTkyA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Bad Engine Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a follow up to my findings. If you recall I had a bad oil leak on my TR4A because of internal pressure. What I found is that all PVC valves are not equal. I got a generic one from O'Reily's. You know the one that "rattles"? Suck from the vacuum side and it flows. Blow from the input side it doesn't. The factory one is sporadic at best. It opens quickly and closes even quicker. I have two of them and they both act the same. So I installed the generic and have driven it to work the last couple of days. 15 miles each way. Not one drop of oil has leaked. Not one. I'm in shock. While I haven't played with it yet I believe that the factory version has too strong a spring not allowing the vacuum to open the valve as needed to relieve the pressure. Not sure if this is a lot issue or by design. Anyway, I'm a happy camper with a LBC that doesn't leave it's mark. Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 23:43:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AEF40432 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 23:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA4A4040C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 23:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 05:35:04 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 05:35:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 05:35:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 48627 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2013 05:35:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370064904; bh=WELUg5JvenNPezpFprqKlDguXWlkVqCUcLpCvjDuGW0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xaPySbBX1pwyk9xXG7WtOOaSNPmSo+V0JFdJfaOySn+vtcv1SlQyAWM3uzo/fvxuv7gaZ6co8mHlLljDSMJBHFPAqdwCA/nQ2S0rAPVL8byPmNkbXuSu8sQAwr4oMCvhV+I9pNO1D65ib9K3IQTIe22td5x9qtILEDJt7HyWDW8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jj0PnVm5MMAOjR29ZUk/2rSKrpciJBGlbB2/yWdXmVaqPgWaiPtavKiJiAa/ibTs7v9/rEx65JDPnqKXXbRbcL93McJQuos5mNG48W7R7Gkp3CVUudZzMO8ti23czNQA3e2t2J5HI114TbRELfUYIfvtC66VbVQUuLY8QMRJfis=; gKZFHmP_5kQdIlKcMzKGeMnc429hYR9MircbH1bqaGbAUtOEEkHdA0MtZ9xu jhjAAX_M_ep39imNJqthqVZzI3jLcay9N_Z4Wwdt40DVISMOAzO2UKQsqfqq ptu61WYoBXBXYVvntQep7bdXkAmANC7bRUVDF5s.SOimZ_.IhqoXGBsAuB0H JA3WX28jiSDTsmTiRjuy51KaS1R5JRMVA6HeoGW1_Kq3CylFh.DPpB9vweus V9SZlEhODxbvb7rCmILTLW6_tEX9p2L2aHVMqyJQodFkAoLERDd39rcb9Y8. korggp2JWX9.YHqt2_rYwvV_T_Gqg63SQLPqAmExfsJIpoDfZZ4Cbf3euQWO V3_bdwXf8M15eOyugmk6fb1Uok0V6ZQaDAN8HdxmqGY.6rq1qHeAxpZ74.mD QWFO.1HxGtDnJSAkxGkg8Gd5OVdHHeEpD4kXJF41cL0sRNpoxJnoblaLuy.f HucQx9.Nv9ouFtPKxnsxvelkhDPxo_2urAOstesPwnglPfcGrH9g- Received: from [71.9.56.169] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 22:35:04 PDT SGkgRGF2ZSwKwqAgwqAgwqBJIGp1c3Qgd2VudCB0aHJvdWdoIHRoaXMgbXlzZWxmLiBJIHdhcyBnZXR0aW5nIHJlYWR5IHRvIHNlbmQgbXkgdGVtcCBnYXVnZSBpbiB0byBXZXN0IFZhbGxleSBJbnN0cnVtZW50cy4gSXQgd2FzICQxNTAgdG8gcmVidWlsZCB0aGUgZ2F1Z2Ugb3IgJDIwMCBpZiBpdCBuZWVkZWQgYSBjb21wbGV0ZSBuZXcgYm9yZG9uIHR1YmUuIEkgaGF2ZSBhbHJlYWR5IGhhZCB0aGUgZ2F1Z2UgcmVidWlsdCB0d2ljZSBiZWZvcmUgZHVyaW5nIHRoZSBsYXN0IDE1IHllYXJzLiBJIGZvdW5kIHQBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: "dave@ranteer.com" , Triumphs Subject: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, I just went through this myself. I was getting ready to send my temp gauge in to West Valley Instruments. It was $150 to rebuild the gauge or $200 if it needed a complete new bordon tube. I have already had the gauge rebuilt twice before during the last 15 years. I found that the early TR4 gauge looked identical to the TR3 gauge, but used an electric gauge so I bought one of them for $150 and spent about another $30 on parts to install it. It was a risk buying a used gauge, but it all worked out. With no bordon tube it should last much longer, hopefully several more decades. Wayne Bier at Triumphs Only (I know, I know - lots of bad reviews from the list) charges something like $150 for the used/no guarantee early TR4 gauge + your TR3 gauge in exchange. No exchange gauge? Then no deal. He will also sell you a rebuilt gauge for something like $250 + your old gauge in exchange. The TR4 gauge requires a voltage stabilizer and sending unit. Moss has both. TR4 wiring diagrams are on the web. I kept my old TR3 gauge as a spare. There is also a guy selling "clone" TR3 temp gauges on Ebay for like $75. They look almost identical except where it is supposed to say "Jaeger" it say "British Made". These look okay to me as well. I like my TR4 route. Bill in Tehachapi From: dave@ranteer.com To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Message-ID: <20130531132946.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.c6a8a1310e.mailapi@mailapi06 .secureserver.net> Late tr3. Have not had the car long. Finally running and driving today. Looks like all the gages except tach and temp are finally working. Tach screams; its probably bad. Temp gage is lifeless. Other than confirming its lack of response by puting the sensor in hot water, is there anything else I can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive