From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 04:47:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4DA40414 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 04:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF68403DA for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 04:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lx15so2131858lab.10 for ; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Y0SRm5Wa7aJhLsyse5Tj7L7ZFbbF37B4vWcbIPqgKPs=; b=mdfn/yVKqrubadX3soFv+4mVnxDRyCUuKnqRtnE1DUGXX/HmF3QW1ZaoDhnztSL0tL Zamh7Khad0a6sEramKO6qSERb40Qg9xF/dmAJujnI581zzk9wbJyGCeHA9w5tItUDT0b S7RKRNQOlHepOOemxvfPxgAIbKTruxfvHSZujy14tj9hq5+sLT6jWhrO9aUX5njSJ6dY oCuGAaiYx21FJnG+Tu7toSAn8mEvfvdF9koVDZj8DsHUVvcgmMVhEEtru+Q3S1ZC2dqD Nm0g036psMLeDG640guUDj0LhNWXBX0NSZnejLsSnnWLV7O2I8FHJK7mAeAFLqXj+zjk 1gsg== i5mr7563687lbj.17.1370083390122; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 03:42:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <56ACA93E50E04FB4816F1B1FC807BF1B@bboffice> From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:42:49 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Unfortunately, most of my triumphs I have are a bit modified or unknown mods. Street Cam, different distributor, Carbs with or without vacuum advance. - so I've found that 4 degrees is helpful to get them at least started. After that, I turn the distributor to fastest Idle, snug it down, then I'll shut it off and restart to make sure it turns over easy (wrong timing can make the starter work quite hard). Then I drive. i'll pull over and back it off a bit if it pings. Your results may vary - but I've been doing it this way since my uncle taught me - and I've not burned up a piston yet... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 05:55:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636C6429D2 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 05:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C4042728 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 05:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNP006UUOOOUA92@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 06:17:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "Chris Simo" , "list Triumph" References: <56ACA93E50E04FB4816F1B1FC807BF1B@bboffice> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:17:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ol' timer tricks.... using a vacuum gauge, set your advance for the maximum possible manifold vacuum, while setting/maintaining the proper idle rpm. with or without vacuum adv/retard connected means nothing.doing it this way. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Simo" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance > Unfortunately, most of my triumphs I have are a bit modified or unknown > mods. Street Cam, different distributor, Carbs with or without vacuum > advance. - so I've found that 4 degrees is helpful to get them at least > started. > > After that, I turn the distributor to fastest Idle, snug it down, then > I'll > shut it off and restart to make sure it turns over easy (wrong timing can > make the starter work quite hard). Then I drive. i'll pull over and back > it off a bit if it pings. > > Your results may vary - but I've been doing it this way since my uncle > taught me - and I've not burned up a piston yet... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 07:21:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A41242A16 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24F4429D6 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNP00H1VTXGGP50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:10:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <003501ce5e46$9bea5370$d3befa50$@gmail.com><000601ce5e4c$3a1a9870$ae4fc950$@charter.net> <006901ce5e5a$24dd17e0$6e9747a0$@gmail.com> <068BF7B24C994114A0D587339C420F94@bboffice> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:10:27 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQIFEnueKnMC/o7nR5gLdz7IrnLIygJfDoAiAOr+1pwBlaaG5piMbxPw Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This might be common knowledge but it is worth repeating... RE: Blocks - 16" (two blocks) should be max and ample room for getting underneath. the half block size will work so you only have an 8" column to deal with. For strength place them so that the open ends are vertical. BUT - Also insert good solid jack stands under the end you are working on. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:58 PM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install I didn't on the TR3, just the shifter. Clearance gets close when you hit the point of straightening out the unit for final touchdown, this is why I try to raise the car 5"-10" on blocks(please be sure they are sound). Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:54 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine Install Thanks for the responses. If installing as a combined unit did you need to take the top cover off the tranny as the manual explains? I assume for clearance. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:15 PM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Engine Install Jim - I installed an engine/transmission combination into our TR6 using a tractor loader as the hoist. I'm not saying I would recommend it to others, but that's what we had at the time. Definitely a little hairy when attempting to achieve the proper angle, etc., but it worked for us. I think I would prefer working with the transmission mounting block rather than guiding the input shaft to the pilot bushing, etc. Also, you have a lot more leverage when grabbing onto the transmission tail as opposed to the rear of the engine block. Good luck. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine Install The TR4 factory repair manual states to attach the engine and tranny together outside of the car and then install into the car as a single unit. I have always seen it done engine first, block the rear of the motor to battery tray and jack underneath and then attach tranny from inside the car. What do you all recommend is the best way to go when all is out of the car. The car is stripped and beginning the process of putting everything back together. I have an engine hoist balance so I can adjust to create proper 45 degree angle. Just curious and thanks for everyone's patience as my questions mount while the car goes back together. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 10:11:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CC34292C for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B744D428FF for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNQ00FSL1NLBBJ1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 10:57:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: , References: <20130531132946.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.c6a8a1310e.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:57:19 -0400 Thread-index: AQLUl5qYxSVLGbSftMEtb3rvsys2a5cUkWBg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You might try a different tach cable. Could be binding. In a pinch you could temporarily use the speedo cable - same fittings - to test it, If it still screams at you - then in the instrument itself. Unless to you switch to a TR4 setup (electric) it is probably beyond most DIYs ability. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave@ranteer.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:30 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tr3 temp gage Late tr3. Have not had the car long. Finally running and driving today. Looks like all the gages except tach and temp are finally working. Tach screams; its probably bad. Temp gage is lifeless. Other than confirming its lack of response by puting the sensor in hot water, is there anything else I can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 10:42:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAC342A19 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135E14281F for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id c10so902388ieb.24 for ; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wZbGQCfwjokfu/4voSgW7jH+kjLfW1me/wisS+mtU3Q=; b=Va4k9skC7QferFpRCMnYgDyvJUCbFS4L+YIRpJUSgppNhPdk7pfYmvj6fCKhVCWT6p 2FwDecuxs3IBwU1iqJe0oBTKV7q/bOUavfO2hgmMqWETAuJd5C+aWYhmWW8O0nkhdz8G nqaW5v+U9jVyk3Z/m6275Xi8SmHbvx7iSwj2kf+JlDfsIrIZcsepInS2fIHObeBaKjUK 8LMiYlYK9hfWJheJvV0umCA2udLfklzJkrwtmoCBIymP0mWXQc4pJdgP79XuVFT/m/B8 nsntoeAf2nVhg3zgIf/oxT4LwkXUrlesqr2jMysiATUTMtxn4tFWUNa0poMvnbKncWE+ eYPQ== av1mr4057729igc.104.1370104506487; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ji5sm9325636igb.0.2013.06.01.09.35.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:35:02 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <56ACA93E50E04FB4816F1B1FC807BF1B@bboffice> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing advance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/1/13 3:42 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > Unfortunately, most of my triumphs I have are a bit modified or unknown > mods. Street Cam, different distributor, Carbs with or without vacuum > advance. - so I've found that 4 degrees is helpful to get them at least > started. With a modified engine that has a cam you need more initial advance than stock. If you have a worn distributor or timing chain you will need more initial advance. A good rule of thumb is that our engines do well with about 32-34 degrees total advance. That's initial advance plus vacuum advance plus mechanical advance. If your vacuum or mechanical advance is not working properly you may find yourself setting in a lot more initial advance just to get the engine to run OK at driving RPMs. Never hurts to check your distributor over to make sure it along with all its advances are in spec. But if you have a cam in the engine figure you will probably want about 8 degrees initial advance. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 14:34:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88ED428DF for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64440428DF for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id MAW40747; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 15:21:47 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: , Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 15:21:35 -0500 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5fBZz74t0ym1EPS5eADj8VE4ZEMQ== Subject: [TR] Rec GT6 near Aurora, IL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Saw a nice looking red GT6 at the junction of Hwy 30 and Hwy 34 this afternoon. Took off in a small cloud of blue smoke after idling at the lights. Does anybody out there claim it? It looked very nice . Mike ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 18:28:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5214291F for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 18:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FA4427B2 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 18:26:52 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DkMyzm7z9GN5E0tNeJsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:63201] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 51/32-25428-A409AA15; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 00:22:35 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , References: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:22:32 -0700 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5eyonh0cHMtswrTDuf/3fXASv27AAWW6uA Subject: Re: [TR] Leaks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe, You're right, it was frustrating. I was almost ready to pull the engine a fourth time. A freakin $2 part was the solution. Go figure. I played golf this morning (shot 73) and drove the car 25 miles through the back country afterwards in 90 deg heat. No leaks. Kas was right (duh). Hope there's no tornado's in your neck of the woods. Be safe. Johnnie > > Johnnie, > > I am so pleased you found the solution to your TR. I know how hard you > have worked on this. > > I cringe when they leak after installing the new seal. > > You may have provided a valuable piece of information to a lot of long > suffering TR guys. > > Congratulations. > > As Kas says, the wet sleeve engine can't get enough ventilation. > > Joe A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 20:36:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7273D42794 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F15E4276E for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jETN1l00H53lu5001ETP6q; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:27:23 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 21:27:29 -0500 Subject: [TR] pinion oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, all. Ibm being brave here and venturing into new territory. a recently acquired tr3b is leaking oil out of the bfrontb or forward side of the diffy. according to the moss parts book (and with a little help from a friend), I need a new oil seal. that would be mossmotors part 520-090, #26 on this diagram: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=36462&SortOrder =540 my question, since I have never done this before, is do I need/should I replace anything else? and any hints/caveats would be helpful. I do have the shop manual. thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 01:44:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD1F42911 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 01:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDD94276B for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 01:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=Re732crPrCZTNncH3PhIPg==:17 a=9dTEJ3L9fakA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=BFbJSp6eQsYA:10 a=BsF05of-CXyNfDdRHJsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Re732crPrCZTNncH3PhIPg==:117 Received: from [168.103.101.254] ([168.103.101.254:49797] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 83/41-25428-3C4FAA15; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 07:31:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <036EFD7B1A0E4CD79D37DCEF32F7A11B@Datsun> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 00:31:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5fOWMOlGSqxvTTTvyqzANz38pybAAKB76w Subject: Re: [TR] pinion oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > my question, since I have never done this before, is do I need/should I > replace anything else? and any hints/caveats would be helpful. Use some fine abrasive cloth to clean up the surface of the flange where the seal rides, then examine it carefully. If there is a dark line that you cannot polish away, consider replacing the flange or installing a SpeediSleeve. Otherwise the new seal may leak just as badly as the old one. Grease the seal & flange before installation. Good time to inspect the U-joint. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 02:00:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB4F42823 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 02:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A8C4281F for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 02:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=Re732crPrCZTNncH3PhIPg==:17 a=9dTEJ3L9fakA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JJRVsr0_M2AA:10 a=r_UnGNVbAAAA:20 a=T7b4iJ-eAAAA:20 a=h1HlA7yExAUTVAAai9UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hw6eOhliqn8A:10 a=xBh6NQE_4DhS3JLe:21 a=5XCArHyu5PyvsMgC:21 a=Re732crPrCZTNncH3PhIPg==:117 Received: from [168.103.101.254] ([168.103.101.254:50112] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D3/38-22496-68AFAA15; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 07:55:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <20130531132946.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.c6a8a1310e.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 00:55:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5ePahN/wbXOoI6SnWcqb4HVLfAfgBJ2zRg Subject: Re: [TR] SPAM: Tr3 temp gage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > can do? I guess I have to send the gage and tube out? Any other options? If your goal is just to drive the car and you don't want to spend the money to have the original refurbished; it is quite possible to use a cheap aftermarket gauge. I ran for quite a few years with a "Sunpro" mechanical gauge that I believe can still be found for under $30 with a little hunting around. (Amazon has it listed for $25) http://goo.gl/5RbJz It fits the original holes; the only mod is to hook the lead for the lamp into the dash light circuit. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 10:34:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494F842A2E for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFEC42728 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170128pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MNR00I6OXQJDYD0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:27:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.79.204.66 ([173.79.204.66]) by vznit170128 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:27:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:27:55 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 72 tr6 tobe question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 13:43:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC1B42AD6 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 13:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f180.google.com (mail-ye0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FB5400A4 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 13:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r11so434499yen.39 for ; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:38:14 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :content-language:thread-index; bh=z7WdvzDbchw6LnjuvIUXRpfepst8iGd9UOvbnReTqEc=; b=ShjWyB+VOn06UrqOemFb2IXVYO/TaF+znPaSI9gnPvZTDrTctw6DmPyv+UVbzdJjnH 0cVBbVYvymaDi05ptuZnKGS46Quv5JHf8AeOYLHafVWrjA4S19k/ZW5vbZjy4BXVXKYo hQpLckfh/vRwUGq3zH1vNVcuuqIOJ8lPjziCi+sUtYCqysxe6x7mR8t1bkWyHC0EkM8B NE7oXN/S9QEpJDunQxU6wDCCsBXxMoJIYlaD/jRY7STBFI+DLu83ywzsDULA16ypgIwl 3uRDfrjh9NOOCUu1bqBxiEz4/+w4c9bBYXY4aLImMeO4+LbckibUcuTRlQLdd8Twhq2/ mOaA== t63mr13693879yho.107.1370201894765; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l95sm20157937yhq.17.2013.06.02.12.38.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:38:11 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac5fyAiidR8UejseSkas3YSKlnY4bQ== Subject: [TR] TR4 Throw Out Bearing Sleeve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This comes under the topic of - I can't find my parts because I packed up and moved to another town. I have a used clutch throw out bearing sleeve with Made in England rhp bearing, but can't determine if this is the one that I took off the TR4 when I dissembled. TRF lists separate part numbers between TR4 and TR4A. Is there an easy way to verify if this is a TR4 sleeve as it might be used one from my TR6. Trying to save buying a TR4 one from TRF. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 17:22:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A8642B45 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB65142B06 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNS0000QGPL6KB0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:17:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 19:17:47 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5f5zjL1xwFjDQvThetNAZ5FCXBCg== Expiry-date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake Fluid - TR3 capacity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Before I go out and get the brake fluid - what is the TR3A capacity fully bled? Don't particularly want to get too much - but definitely don't want to not get enough.. Decided to go the DOT 5 route even though I have a few containers of the Girling DOT3. (anyone needing some? - email me and we can work something out) Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 17:37:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E24D42B5D for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF01B42A42 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jbB71l0011GhbT85EbYq7T; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:32:50 +0000 Received: from OwnerPC ([IPv6:2601:2:2480:62:44a6:f169:30:df95]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jbYp1l00X4Pntc83TbYpkV; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:32:50 +0000 From: To: , "TR List " References: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:32:54 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1370215970; bh=G/EhwRzM65RuLHthpduNdZOWTZkdGvsTg1oduJ1MnrU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gRNTx5LdHFa7wsNRMVB52mbAcctjGfPmj5J0Tb6wgahliULpeY5vKTukzRGz9lAK5 l/104wpT+YIWbSX1o5eKW+1sI4CmQ1L627cTBa25eFm/kAQ5Uu9LiGr2ifL7/cTKL+ bRAa2/m/X/310mmmpEbSXywZhRolp3+rLKbxNX6w++I0PTTvLB63pSqPT72H/jo3px TXH0OfL3IY9F1+RZHOM1ITu1NtNaWgdzEbJzidW9pvbOR9KO5wLb7IZxsTKIYggNGg 9eEjY2BAI9GP2/o/teaZfFBevw0CHXwLn09YE7v++Z3zRPaQY/Tg9VjQvatgu3wjqb kCY5FP8i3dUVg== Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid - TR3 capacity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl, when I did my conversion, I bought a quart and a pint. I think I used most of the quart and had the pint to carry along on the road.... hope this helps Tom -----Original Message----- From: Carl-TR Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:17 PM To: TR List Subject: [TR] Brake Fluid - TR3 capacity Before I go out and get the brake fluid - what is the TR3A capacity fully bled? Don't particularly want to get too much - but definitely don't want to not get enough.. Decided to go the DOT 5 route even though I have a few containers of the Girling DOT3. (anyone needing some? - email me and we can work something out) Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 20:08:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A45D42B87 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC0142A8E for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jagB1l0041YDfWL5Ae3o05; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:03:48 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id je3o1l00q2ymm843ge3oRG; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:03:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 02:03:48 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List s=q20121106; t=1370225028; bh=cjtaoPYGFhBfM+S5papt2agXsps1Y1KQE2qDJtNKUDk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VPhw9N3jPgtGjvaWEArD5xDdlj0X4sBeH27ZApUSGEBix1lZsy+GJSN2FEKb+bgdF dnl3fS5B6ejJ4ymaRPPBf2nTfJez8bAStcee9fViLq/F5M/qkM1g9T7NXjeiqf8Qzi JUrJF+RteN/wRBkQSbOpa5bWnKwY0E1BXIHvYfWi/iWAc6k581GYSdpA/dFuLMHgE1 Y2MLO9VvH6graH5cpjXZ8Mkd4t6p6c4/yP/LttID0bg+PDcgoOY8ndb9Vho0r/N4QY RiLZRm5I+w6MfMEHFgcthiZTXyF/2iWge+TL4lf2iVuKYIUmMoi7VQJinZ+X0R9n18 KpoG4oY0J6/2A== Subject: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recall Fred Thomas sharing with the list many years ago that most jet commecting rod assemblies for the H6 SU carbs are not installed properly. What Fred explained is that the Fork end that connects to the front carb is mistankingly installed to the jet lever by putting it between the two sides of the fork. Fred insisted that the fork goes on the outer side of the lever. Does anyone recall this and do you agree that this is the correct set up? I had a local British Car shop tune up my carbs and they changed this set up and put the lever in the center of the fork. My choke is not working properly so I am goiong to readjust it and wanted to check before I changed it back to the outside set up. When you read the manuals, there is no mention of how to install the rod assembly. TIA Scott Suhring Mechaicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 21:28:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D43A42B8E for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEA542B4F for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D8CA0795 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:26:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 21:26:21 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] So it goes. Hopefully goes away. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sigh. http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=154 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 21:59:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F6C42B92 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC56642A54 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.113] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 03:54:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370231682; bh=8vLIX2iynCwXCqxnoNLulQxOuyW24eCitTAQZxYn2aY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=WaMvpfrMaWppBPnqfQwCasTRN/Au9HoeBd9CcMxkhKAn0/Jm61qZKDFgrPvH9Em9vLPVSxtwjRpz9Fo/3dcMqmd+5mCEZu7y/BkBLNmh0NTmeinPcER7RVg3SP3CnxdHdEKemMIthmL9vFYppXmmNidP0XHx4o3u/W8NqDu5R1g= bPqjr5xDcNGIyTnuLNcJQvt3m98cwz4eaA90a3RmwzL4YMI4zDs3rmpXEfRh iIWPzKVH8piiV95PI2v8E3DkKt4ly_r1Q7C48_fzK5JwWeC6uedo1_FuT0Kb k9PWObTnuI9tXsG9Nukl9YV8XPol7dN3HGka0A0pvIHECfoeBQvL7ObvJfBf BRge3GrdbGLz82a2JyF5sjCzsMX958BvZ0KHCT0kjrFByB6YtcPife5fbtC4 NBaONJb7I3xNyMj_jn_QaPlrzCidpbqEgt4oAN_6HrgPJfPHI31n2_311lXV I66X7T_c.tcfXcZ2UGiapar9KyOy.XCaZMuvxC2rIWFQ7RZp3wQcq41sFTRm 58UpAAKzd9mseZjj33TV.A3YHuV6._j_XcrJNGhPr_RQHGqAAdETPDQxys3z EXxOHAHr8X1rJ40EeBylH4ojR.JArpLcwoM26oGx27H1Evm7v76kDGqbIvTd kbfPM0DHEF934vTpdmS8UCbHjz12BE4cNc9NMA03sAO1EZk3gP43Kfw0Zas9 j3omSXDqu2IMgdJoTQHGESO4s5KcB3lUDegv4bAne_h6t.SaUMAHQywqoIqL HEPpHXGbM smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2013 20:54:42 -0700 PDT From: To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <1412906923.2800089.1370224545235.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1651106170.2800323.1370225028617.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 22:54:34 -0500 Thread-index: Ac5f/rcvvB0xxSCgT/+hHQWR1//EfwADwmBg Subject: Re: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have never done it 'Fred's' way, never had a problem. It just doesn't make sense to put sideways pressure on that jet. And why just the front jet? Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of suhringtr36@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 9:04 PM To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting I recall Fred Thomas sharing with the list many years ago that most jet commecting rod assemblies for the H6 SU carbs are not installed properly. What Fred explained is that the Fork end that connects to the front carb is mistankingly installed to the jet lever by putting it between the two sides of the fork. Fred insisted that the fork goes on the outer side of the lever. Does anyone recall this and do you agree that this is the correct set up? I had a local British Car shop tune up my carbs and they changed this set up and put the lever in the center of the fork. My choke is not working properly so I am goiong to readjust it and wanted to check before I changed it back to the outside set up. When you read the manuals, there is no mention of how to install the rod assembly. TIA Scott Suhring Mechaicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 22:13:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D529942BC7 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 22:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC2542B10 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 22:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=wE8NRKA3ZAf41oPAzMUArA==:17 a=v7-fYeIirv8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=b9l0JjjtJ5gA:10 a=NgyAzM3kbTMw7ukcDI4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wE8NRKA3ZAf41oPAzMUArA==:117 Received: from [173.185.179.145] ([173.185.179.145:50750] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B7/D5-07131-B061CA15; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 04:05:33 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <1412906923.2800089.1370224545235.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1651106170.2800323.1370225028617.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:05:17 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5f/q4+OHuDUv97SfOYBbjs8bBDfQADi5Ag Subject: Re: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I do remember Fred saying that; tho in all honesty I don't recall if he told me before I told him If you check Practical Hints, I believe there is a photo in there that shows the unusual arrangement at the front. I thought I had an enhanced copy of that photo posted on Photobucket, but I can't seem to find it (and it's not on this computer). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 23:46:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4926942C07 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 23:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.farmside.co.nz (mx1.farmside.co.nz [118.82.130.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A8742BA6 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 23:41:58 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=118.82.148.217; Received: from AshleysPC (unverified [118.82.148.217]) by farmside.co.nz (mail) with ESMTP id 27044959-1739096 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:37:31 +1200 From: "ashleys" To: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:37:22 +1200 Subject: [TR] :J: Type overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi! I have overdrives for sale.Need to be checked.You can order the correct speedo gears from UK. Units have main shaft, adaptor plates as fitted to Triumphs 2000/2500. Thanks Ashley {NZ} ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 05:19:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033D242AFC for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94FA42710 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=wE8NRKA3ZAf41oPAzMUArA==:17 a=v7-fYeIirv8A:10 a=j-nCQye51TYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eVtgu5uevTsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=V6Csw5xfhKnRgnC6znYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wE8NRKA3ZAf41oPAzMUArA==:117 Received: from [173.185.179.145] ([173.185.179.145:51819] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 85/12-07131-2BA7CA15; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 11:14:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'TR List '" References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 04:14:34 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5f5zjL1xwFjDQvThetNAZ5FCXBCgAYupog Subject: Re: [TR] Brake Fluid - TR3 capacity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 4:18 PM > To: TR List > Subject: [TR] Brake Fluid - TR3 capacity > > Before I go out and get the brake fluid - what is the TR3A capacity fully > bled? Depends on how much trouble you have getting it bled. I used less than a quart to recommission TS13571L. > Decided to go the DOT 5 route even though I have a few containers of the > Girling DOT3. (anyone needing some? - email me and we can work something > out) I'm sure you know this, but JIC: DOT 3 starts to get old the moment you open the lid on the can. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 05:29:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8776E42BBB for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9680D42AC1 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=wE8NRKA3ZAf41oPAzMUArA==:17 a=v7-fYeIirv8A:10 a=zKgWklI2mrMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=t6mNOBlkuBQA:10 a=ojOG5L6yWdAMF4JzRSgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wE8NRKA3ZAf41oPAzMUArA==:117 Received: from [173.185.179.145] ([173.185.179.145:51961] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id AD/B7-07131-32D7CA15; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 11:25:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <005501ce5fc8$b8adf830$2a09e890$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 04:25:20 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5fyAiidR8UejseSkas3YSKlnY4bQAhDPIg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Throw Out Bearing Sleeve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there an easy way to verify if this is a TR4 > sleeve as it might be used one from my TR6. Which bearing is installed? If it has the curved face used on TR4A-TR6, then most likely you have a sleeve for TR4A-TR6. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 05:44:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467A242C11 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ADC42B81 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r18so215900ghr.17 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:content-language :thread-index; bh=oZYoofyW7ZbHwgMssMMLejn2bKebpTztmX2RvxRTCaE=; b=IHXZmL3DhJisoDjBS632VWnwWBPUStZmd1WxeJIUIhK5ylZh0DKH8kMcLAHOXet0up r0+dMNR+/U6m4Ymv1E0jIkwQl7PCEhyWthr0x60SITLFil9OkPTHuChRjFYFkDqZrwyu KjuwfbVMjGlArKsMXkUGYlJGRSjFjb/aJUa+dhujC9KlZC4BpIQUzni7HifUIxp/FMQD /XKAQ5Wv0yQFBqMxq+lf5NqvgKIoa97mVNCTVcmdv4EWu7m7lISnBZN4YQqkz5kq76P2 4DEfWCuAMuxF779Q9moLWM0F3cnZC3LCeiJtfbr1ee+Fz1nRYWlL8WSTnKGc60na9iJi nx5Q== d70mr15212185yha.34.1370259573745; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z67sm37689762yhb.5.2013.06.03.04.39.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Jun 2013 04:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Randall'" , References: <005501ce5fc8$b8adf830$2a09e890$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:39:30 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQFR+rHVxcsB59UII++SAHpQVNrFFwHFZRMqmg59TtA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Throw Out Bearing Sleeve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It does have a curved face and judging by measurements other gave me, this is a TR4a-6 sleeve. Thanks, Jim Henningsen -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 7:25 AM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 Throw Out Bearing Sleeve > Is there an easy way to verify if this is a TR4 sleeve as it might be > used one from my TR6. Which bearing is installed? If it has the curved face used on TR4A-TR6, then most likely you have a sleeve for TR4A-TR6. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 06:04:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9504842C79 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 06:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E285D4294A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 06:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A5955700000BA; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 32F40E000088; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:00:15 -0400 (EDT) To: mark@bradakis.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370260815; bh=u5v51zNW1koe8ZcTEwJ8cIxpYJMgcROhJmVSKuVHTys=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ChfaL+Ye+Mw81qx+4OMMQksZM3NUs9lMy56aDJ8KelXXnedBuX1zwGsg8LIeUKF4c vDmQrX6y+io9RASPcV2SAt9RQ7ggnnidzFMDGjIHxuDTwwbyKlfueGjeAOtXvQ5RCn yXfYiWkDS+CzgjCm/PS6t1zUNGzz6VsQTLN0a/LE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b51ac854f50e4 Subject: Re: [TR] So it goes. Hopefully goes away. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 6/2/2013 10:23:59 PM Central Daylight Time, mark@bradakis.com writes: > Sigh. > > > http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=154 > > > mjb. > Sniff. I felt the same way when I cut up my wrecked TR8 shell. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 12:33:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BFD43015 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1553E42FB5 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2013 18:28:43 +0000 Received: from EasyEd (74-46-214-253.dsl1.chtw.wv.frontiernet.net [74.46.214.253]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5B01230C0C8; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:28:43 +0000 (UTC) From: "Ed Oot" To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <1412906923.2800089.1370224545235.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1651106170.2800323.1370225028617.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:28:36 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHIAcd9GgdXxXtrQ0OXzyGWtiSV1JkxDKEQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fred was correct. It is offset. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of suhringtr36@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 10:04 PM To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting I recall Fred Thomas sharing with the list many years ago that most jet commecting rod assemblies for the H6 SU carbs are not installed properly. What Fred explained is that the Fork end that connects to the front carb is mistankingly installed to the jet lever by putting it between the two sides of the fork. Fred insisted that the fork goes on the outer side of the lever. Does anyone recall this and do you agree that this is the correct set up? I had a local British Car shop tune up my carbs and they changed this set up and put the lever in the center of the fork. My choke is not working properly so I am goiong to readjust it and wanted to check before I changed it back to the outside set up. When you read the manuals, there is no mention of how to install the rod assembly. TIA Scott Suhring Mechaicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/eoot@citlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:51:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C512443130 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:51:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6186430DD for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:47:06 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1370288555; x=1370893355; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=MypKOQBv/00hWDYEvdR+Oo6cBDGezqgMZ3zcCHIXkGM=; b=Wu2 r4W4OudD8SpusrQeOP/SJFgZVY6caJAs4dBzAs7VVT6DaA12s1p2hRfeCOrfVfHu QJtDvs3l41wSgclJwh9OWWt8bStt37pPxta041UBYlxF7XzPsEkWl5Pmi9DK+WY2 qrnwuWkUVTSN7j3byGjbPyRgYdhbNWaagms3w9Jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=XXa0wZWCUDQr5Q3OjN9zjTC7mHXcjiEi/UTyOzZ4WAW5twRDRN6Bzxl7nh3B /ZaSzxv1ai05lKhTQOl/uqS4wO1Zbz6FLUVy8XBbOTOEvT46GYKCVYLC6 nmP8k5pe3lPauSt9kUsWcmBvdLa9MVKkRx/62xL4aDZt4XvHiy/ZWw=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 28-md50000134961.msg for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:42:35 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:47:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've found some significant (1/8") play in a lower trunnion mount on my 72 TR6. It really looks like just the bushings that have totally compressed despite having very few miles on them since installation 15 years ago. Of course, this part takes the full weight of the corner, driving or not. Memory says that I can support the car on a jackstand put under the shock absorber and then just remove the big bolt joining the trunnion and the lower table/wisbones. I.e. compress the spring by using the car's own weight to do so. Is this correct? I have no desire to catch a spring or stub axle in the nose. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 14:51:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC38F431EC for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42E8430BB for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 616747005C86C for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2231EE000085 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370292275; bh=WSk90yNRGdtTZ6AfuNcEjYJo82DBCAipTKnyZxE8zJ8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mSG4wTFwefXF6Vkj98MirE6FACSfBE+VfcobnJCklFuScnsyb+LjRpKsL0CsNv9CO GOvjIrg59tupaannunAdz+JccseNQ64XwnBe1YU+iNYW2cCkx5u0/4rXzcKinA5oUV h/ZK5Kcdw2EGgD3YatH46qFcHbA5IMEsPMBkSgXY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951ad00331bd9 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As long as you leave the shock connected and the inner pivots connected the spring is fully contained and will not go anywhere. No need to support the spring pan although that may be the preferred method of supporting the car. Cheers Dave In a message dated 6/3/2013 2:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, mhooper@indiefilmnet.com writes: > I've found some significant (1/8") play in a lower trunnion mount on my > 72 > TR6. It really looks like just the bushings that have totally compressed > despite having very few miles on them since installation 15 years ago. Of > course, this part takes the full weight of the corner, driving or not. > > Memory says that I can support the car on a jackstand put under the shock > absorber and then just remove the big bolt joining the trunnion and the > lower > table/wisbones. I.e. compress the spring by using the car's own weight to > do > so. Is this correct? I have no desire to catch a spring or stub axle in > the > nose. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 16:08:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDC543D40 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1254D43177 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 21:57:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.56] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 21:57:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 21:57:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370296635; bh=/Uxr6nBaoiF8ywtokclXofQCVD7ey90Vx6WC1WW5CUU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=FJDihoHpgfUi/gtJz9USNCklnMc6GoljOgMKoJMPn1qBmwARKU0gIv4JKE4+m4B+LF/kXneYSsTqLOjpync7S1mrlNCe3rGe9J7g77oqkrLZfZP4SVr4sCc3skHePXCHeBne9mL1mdv7tVPlNbi/d4GHL/lxj4dwRAuVAqKX3ZM= _oPzEkHaT1.hTC2wrpKnSyUhSXxfXm5yEJh_6TEVbsKM.PCkDzuu9VR9laAE EbssGHrwSoduro9dLwOPcFxoDzbXTwehbo.AnG1oG4JktPwH7NQYsNo4bcxy 8bDjFlKAbz6Vv7VvcJUPrgM1CL7Qt5EUN9qmaYG6KDUCB_cTU6XQbezXwwX4 3RjC.fg8HIl9O.35zRtBaTTZfuMhcOyUKMAT_NyQB9z4rC34Y4nnP754l07q RiJb0FLIi5BEKJ0NoG0GqEezdrazC6ZnSSHjATqlhts6zGD2iSOQ0ehr1uTy gL3_w1KGflV4J3M877pQBu7NW5Gwu4udDhUX.nFVaJnq.PbXDwlUH7WVVMDQ aykU_VkX11lQvTP8E2yCl1An16Ua2KuO8kcdBqJvY.3koImzzpRoegIrFckw HTJILfcNqDyY1annzB7CTK0HP7WtHHiZj.gK4.StNDs7khsFAwEmN6sP1ytp 0.gFbC4WmKaSVoM3xTA-- by smtp207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jun 2013 14:57:15 -0700 PDT From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:57:16 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4 door glass removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, Doing a frame off on my TR4A. Working on doors but can't get the glass out. Followed workshop manual. Window is completely free and the weather strip has been removed. Can't get the channels on the bottom of the window through the top of the window opening. There is quite a bit of resistance at that point. Am afraid to try forcing the the rest of the way out. Seems like it ought to be simple but I haven't broken the code yet. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has done it. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 17:10:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A6B4423B for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2B943D1E for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.98.13]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jz0P1l00n0HKibq01z0QAV; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 16:00:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , References: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:00:25 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQLPt89d2/Lirlh86DQxIg15AnKDkpch7FHA Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 door glass removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's a while since I did it, but don't they come out through the door, not the window opening? Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 door glass removal Hi List, Doing a frame off on my TR4A. Working on doors but can't get the glass out. Followed workshop manual. Window is completely free and the weather strip has been removed. Can't get the channels on the bottom of the window through the top of the window opening. There is quite a bit of resistance at that point. Am afraid to try forcing the the rest of the way out. Seems like it ought to be simple but I haven't broken the code yet. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has done it. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 21:03:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6A2442CD for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop2.greatbasin.net (pop101.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3132544248 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1b-194.gbis.net [207.228.61.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop2.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r542vf5m004066; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:57:41 -0700 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: , References: <26da1d43.1ce6093.1f796a0d.428b@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:57:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can do that, you might even get away with it. Remember, however, that springs are alive and have a malevolent personality. They will ALWAYS try to get you. Protect yourself. Skip Gurnee (who still has his nose) '64 TR4, '65 TR4A, 70TVR, et al. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hooper I've found some significant (1/8") play in a lower trunnion mount on my 72 TR6. It really looks like just the bushings that have totally compressed despite having very few miles on them since installation 15 years ago. Of course, this part takes the full weight of the corner, driving or not. Memory says that I can support the car on a jackstand put under the shock absorber and then just remove the big bolt joining the trunnion and the lower table/wisbones. I.e. compress the spring by using the car's own weight to do so. Is this correct? I have no desire to catch a spring or stub axle in the nose. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 21:40:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB7B44245 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A6869442CC for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16680 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2013 03:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2013 03:22:13 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=54580 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ujhp7-0006qj-HY for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 21:22:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:22:10 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [TR] Bristol 403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a client who knows I'm into cars that is looking at a 1953 Bristol 403. Cool looking car. Anyone on the list know anything about Bristols or know of internet / e-mail resources for them? Thanks, Tony Drews ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 21:50:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE15442D1 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C944322C for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:44:05 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eOWrfR6sNqEA:10 a=-Yt9tNsTAAAA:8 a=7US6mRK9Ac_1WAnbWgcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:64908] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FF/B7-10569-9716DA15; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 03:39:37 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <26da1d43.1ce6093.1f796a0d.428b@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:39:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have always put the car up with jackstands under the frame in front, then used a floor jack, the saddle of which fits snuggly in the spring pan, to take just a little tension off the front suspension before I start to remove the parts. Please note that when you do it this way the spring is under still under compression, but it will be towards the end of its reach, so hopefully not sitting there with life threatening potential energy still contained in the spring. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 23:55:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E32D44325 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A195743394 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:48:08 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1370324616; x=1370929416; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; bh=BPfqcbayOeSbYZtM5 VkWh6Fv6Do59cwFJfJkG3n2h7k=; b=ZSIQ6yrR4zu1IJD2+TYB8JOOdMlCVXETG z1U43ARVVsntkSh5a+nz+7D/sGJ5Ncwhpql/Cg//8cv/1af9tsYF3Hf27iC9HHlq buklXpcVLWGkz0dU63ki5x6OWAA3UaFRayGUXZ+oEYEPrEiUqMxYgMAkKQN4jeRq iyk2WI6nT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=Hzs7l3fRakEeyzKnnGMOzYXIYeX6iOYKBw1RGdw9M/CVMNj6jErlb7NFscaX gNIT4CrfYoyEGJU5cZ4K02qVfFEERwYa3cSBrzcs6QKmHDKmtEvPZnlf0 EYKJAIhRBTNVsQ5r68596ZXMNQ8XK3GGNZgbeuixrD4HarKPnkBAo4=; Received: from WorldClient by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 38-md50000134932.msg for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:43:35 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) Received: from [174.93.162.233] by indiefilmnet.com via WorldClient with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:43:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:43:30 -0400 From: "Mark Hooper" To: "Greg Lemon" , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <40414daa.1ce60d7.2137b596.922@neb.rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, threatening or not, I took the advice of the list and it came out well enough. I think I probably need a new lower arm on the spring table. It seems that the hole in the end of the arm (the part that has 2 "top hats" inserted is rather worn/rusty. I'm assuming it should be quite smooth inside. Instead it's rusty and one of the top hats an be moved about 1/16". Also, can the bolt passing through the trunnion (the horizontal one) be wiggled? Mine can wiggle about 1/8". It can't really move laterally, but it seems to be a bit opened at the sides and lets the bolt "wiggle". If it is supposed to be perfectly held in place (other than sliding longitudinally) then I'm also on the hook for a new lower trunnion. If I bolt the hole lot together tightly then it probably won't shake around, but it's not exactly wonderfully new. I guess all the years of shimmying rims, worked on things a fair bit... Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lemon To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:46:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement I have always put the car up with jackstands under the frame in front, then used a floor jack, the saddle of which fits snuggly in the spring pan, to take just a little tension off the front suspension before I start to remove the parts. Please note that when you do it this way the spring is under still under compression, but it will be towards the end of its reach, so hopefully not sitting there with life threatening potential energy still contained in the spring. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 02:00:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F5344325 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 02:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F854431F for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 01:58:23 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=vI1aj9AeplMA:10 a=tWu_AjAh4J8p-gWtyQIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:50110] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/EB-05575-11D9DA15; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 07:53:53 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: <005a01ce60ae$23a699e0$6af3cda0$@uprichard.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 02:54:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 door glass removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've taken the window out, now if I can remember exactly how...actually I think it was broken, and the winder mechanism came through the side of the door, then I cleaned out the glass from the mechanism, put it back in, then inserted the new glass. I think you may have to pull the glass from the winder mechanism while still in the door to get it all removed, but not absolutely sure. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 02:20:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53594435E for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 02:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30C3044329 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 02:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 08:15:57 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.101] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 08:15:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 08:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 58142 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2013 08:15:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370333757; bh=jv+oJ0Wh1dzeddjJj8gzEytTE1nl9IBniCN6tBVvOMM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UJcVC+kTplFYLGMjNzThRRvllpW4UU/f2lkx/e/TxYYaqU8daFlM2aJcAtwEZna54qSRtXnbgiJ2geZIu3V46xOXgF2WBLuAmE2nIrVpCopdYFWkijJLi3Hsg55gOf4cKaEqVuLfCRMXVktpEhRQEKnR+ilBhl8wSmv63OggHb0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QtavxohamndFVYA0r/uis8BHmkpvR6LBPGURwK6CBgDcIxUE/VX0h3S2dHCW50XzHb8ZglgF6YOsrWgNKons4EG5JCnpapkE87IgTe0A5A8tvW3YRv+cb02pUHYM4/iDJf5WlwbsJoO27s2Xpn+Mw4STU2Ra5qN88yJVC0i8zqI=; 7yHxRiRNLodQ_ZqH69lPPvZx0KneitUGJOIWK9QvJejGdk9rTgaV60DMyxL2 9zf.OAzd7p7EA51zhiyGgPHDs7et1s9yRf8dA7XpC80REjVHRjpx0fDDIqlz P2QVAKvA7pjjjmti9X6Uh_T.jdh_CM1vLNydABO6MF3bRaGcaqUvMSxsqvUb ZAAu0l63uVTzm98BX_NyzuWr.stXWTg6vRuserC1D5qpnirIemGasg9mOMlG 6vE6i9qytLca2svnhpixtfGz.emG7fxCtxUMNqI2qw933ARqgzaaDFmFP9Qb 631wQem6AQwxl0l8D69qdgWq2nWxIRfRxnFk28Ps2r.ipyQeWTsub5vqeVtY x.S1AgeNj85BxphSnFZtou42yGo3f.uGBb48QUrBrbh6_Amq3Fci1HoGj0v7 YbbxkwSfby3_7SFXN7X1u1UWFo0QDc5NWLVBImTN01po9XP6PsFFVD6fb.vY MsLcz1198Ddq_kAuhpN01_aRqq9PCDLXBWFAW0004IyqCBhgTonLPj3ai4sP DSwJABf0Wp4X3BhF61enFMe9Fw12INgq.JLQA5Q2gm0.5zvQvRc.4QE36EQO GSO53rFDkYYDxZ7_ilUkADMxbaIKZbkjoiYwu6KpGVcBWGO8FLr5DW0N5A7b Jd480MnfTg0C8yDXZddbozloCuCLtdoz69tk- Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 09:15:57 BST VG9ueQrCoApDb21wYW55IHdlYnNpdGUgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5icmlzdG9sY2Fycy5jby51ay8KQnJpc3RvbCBPd25lcnMgQ2x1YiBodHRwczovL2JvYy5uZXQvaW5kZXgucGhwCk93bmVycyBhbmQgZW50aHVzaWFzdHMgRm9ydW0gd3d3LmJyaXN0b2xjYXJzLmluZm8vIAoKSm9ubWFjCsKgCgo.X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBGcm9tOiBUb255IERyZXdzIDx0b255QHRvbnlkcmV3cy5jb20.Cj5UbzogdHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgCj5TZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCA0IEp1bmUBMAEBAQE- References: <20130604033950.B3FC744245@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:15:57 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Tony Drews , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Bristol 403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tony Company website http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/ Bristol Owners Club https://boc.net/index.php Owners and enthusiasts Forum www.bristolcars.info/ Jonmac >________________________________ > From: Tony Drews >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013, 4:22 >Subject: [TR] Bristol 403 > > >I have a client who knows I'm into cars that is looking at a 1953 >Bristol 403. Cool looking car. Anyone on the list know anything >about Bristols or know of internet / e-mail resources for them? > >Thanks, Tony Drews > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 05:46:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD54442D5 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 05:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D2442D5 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 05:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6B2517004CE69 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1AB1AE00008A for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:39:36 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370345978; bh=cuFqhkgyK5G7I+w2DYfMW2CvIZ3A/pNDPD0E6X+xYEQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iUZmEaVRh64tZ9m0hSHs1I+/wa5Cr63ZOERqEjcA3eODitPbS0dy7ka6dXH4jX9qi SXDZUEF2+nbhjDFIU6NP73UMz23+QiGxvNLFpohT0xQxu5pXh5frvtp4DVw3ZHQ6Pe l4yV8Dtft8oVZzKfPY9hsvwn7drPEeHFi2NQDqM4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51add1fa39d4 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 bushing replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It may be the arm or it may be the inserts. The latter would be a much easier fix. And trunions are readily available from the usual suppliers, just be sure to get the one for that side. The threads are different. And the castor angle is built into the trunion. Dave In a message dated 6/4/2013 12:50:18 AM Central Daylight Time, mhooper@indiefilmnet.com writes: > Well, threatening or not, I took the advice of the list and it came out > well > enough. > > > I think I probably need a new lower arm on the spring table. It seems that > > the hole in the end of the arm (the part that has 2 "top hats" inserted is > > rather worn/rusty. I'm assuming it should be quite smooth inside. Instead > it's rusty and one of the top hats an be moved about 1/16". Also, can the > bolt passing through the trunnion (the horizontal one) be wiggled? Mine > can > wiggle about 1/8". It can't really move laterally, but it seems to be a > bit > opened at the sides and lets the bolt "wiggle". If it is supposed to be > perfectly held in place (other than sliding longitudinally) then I'm also > on > the hook for a new lower trunnion. > > > If I bolt the hole lot together tightly then it probably won't shake > around, > but it's not exactly wonderfully new. I guess all the years of shimmying > rims, worked on things a fair bit... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 08:20:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A014B40524 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C77442B0 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 14:11:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 14:11:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 14:11:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370355062; bh=nMxlRa+PhzSXGhrFkSrkB507Z4lpAbe085K6zftwLoA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=zeVrRclq+rTK+/hd4YIFocT5bzoQyhcBPd3wfEcMcO9UlvHR+pERyWQc4P9JVjLwT8Kne2CoqIDbhl6c+KGZljxfSsbw1NbcufJzFk/f01RNaK9gJgxeU6gTKl00laoXlxkz1Zk2vxGoDSyaysXdKfc7QOfLdnj3SfBXz7VE2w0= funTj_WbX9VfnZti9o_fS.3S8G8tlCPIPI7zd1ZPkG8oKv6dK2T3KEIr.CYI 6w3KZFci8NtZFr2L.DRhwVyroZppfmo3Fo0Sl0bxTM0nR.YK4V9Yo9ehmsYn 5F0.F6jy..7NupqS6k6Ov9HVuHv.HZksqYDuhujypK71abi5fA8ukDV4v04k sHdrlR.lVGGg3839kotWUHnk9OgFA7woYmgNl6j9B_YWPjt5nP7JBwVVvSpn WpS1jrnKnSDuWgxTt_zKq3BDqPYescDEAWD8gJalIi3Mc2lEVaiSef2_RboG GbAMImEXQWYyOqDEA7HGj9n4.Q83mFQ7BpxVAoqYihUrNtphtyjyeoBXarXV EQLDycnhkwVQ1C3MrU.nRVev6TeGlDUVuIM4YvXtXJ1ZVcjmIDTAO2o0bb6W poYWiJi.fb4Ho_vS3XROPw3I2pGjqG2KLvV_HsR4IrWXYzhovNQ5K8TclfST wwhocAkvkdBSoML6FVbGKvdriB7Yc39WZ8cHdQK0iCQhmpNv3OtwB1BmCqxf OMLW80iAv3fCx4RJBq4jn7eKMpjfc7all2Co3d_fSVFei3DI6eLgtG2JcS8T EgWz8sZFTyitCHfCkXGdW58qG4rg- smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jun 2013 07:11:02 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Triumph Mail List'" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:11:04 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5hGJlW51VDJ1rRT02FaCSZLN7yBQAEyYwA Subject: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, Forwarding a link supplied to me by Jim Ray of the Texas Triumph Register, official photoghrpher for VTR2012, of the concours event on the pier in Galveston. Download the file from this link, then click on the VTR logo to watch on your PC. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41727767/VTR%20Vintage%20Consourse%20201 2%20-%20Mstr.exe Shared with permission, Bill [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 09:19:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BB5443DE for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B4443C1 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 15:10:48 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 15:10:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 15:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 33612 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2013 15:10:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370358647; bh=9TCZDDGcnukf7ar1yEe7gtHYR5czVv9PszU/NB253Q4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hyDlMgn7Xl2Md/JWjNwlnGsgdcr5q2W8aGRXcDD/b6f+BPQE+B+RQm9Fibrp6yWrsGVUEo6vGfeJxAH+u2uK6Trp2It5Xwg1BmXkwjEfnaLptDvBs2JrJHC8R8/ogRFC1+hb8t50bUjPcIlWcqU9wpQgMA//KRjY4JUjivd2hEg= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jlKsTdAAIaQ3GIPMhqKyZm0BHo3dnNCmPsqYI66+Mov06Myc9cYCGavHsPpcuQn/J+ltvQl/mXhxGQOwpBleP0fpJDvpvqC5toBerlPcqk+N6chV1h/70gn07INC9qMlcTit27NudiOJkJ1xTYpzw81kBfdXc9a5biHDjC1ehNI=; oqT2ChQe8hzwzNAdjIGEbAan8kwuw_Fv5zX85lxQf5ZrqcSrnmGKm1evMYPv whQfzgJb503OV_lIA.pFK66w3szElwU0aviz09dhBN9LhKMr3XMpwFqhUtWQ yRFfg70O7pAddNErMePhyIb1tCrDm1XxkPwZn3.gfTsduXNgG01bGMnNwwSO Vusjf0oLDddFFPegjfun_UlTYHT9fds9K3LaOiR6apL1tJVSvTk8n9CMPfAo G3LLMoJ0U_gY6d8mPlz1ooJR80G9Evf5IYtt6kcE1HAEY7Kpc92UD9w8GebR IbvmORyFRMmw3qFEEI.L1UwEh7C_tfQOwDiVFQzEVZAgFwJB_w7gPKIcpcdu FLMN3_7x7bCAIWtXUcAxcf_eZLbjCO9BEfcUIalWqc_6QmLR2JZMLYsyTacp exIW3D8UWarPr5QALT9bKOTQ68dCf7qIswzS_SHhVSpkR9dLm66vnwsxhAMO ZvO19_gdYrRc05gtJJVMHjoQmOpgrU_VCB94gbuhj30cRW5MpkRQnruI1o2s sGP4fYw9uVEsxR9Nsu3gbusw9eGJF1TRyS7yEEmtV5geg.CBMEIsHFAayW3s EfC4dgGqud8pYJ25UncDIPG5HHXdtHXM0B20ortxwGU5H_kVp9.TQ_VIZbSE Q8fqEFk.OzQKnOQ-- Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:10:47 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBhbSB0aGlua2luZyBhYm91dCB1cGdyYWRpbmcgbXkgcG9zdCBUUyA2MCwwMDAgVFIzQSBzdGFydGVyIHRvIGEgbW9kZXJuIGdlYXIgcmVkdWN0aW9uIHN0YXJ0ZXIuIEkgYW0gaG9waW5nIHRoYXQgaXQgd2lsbCBoZWxwIG1ha2UgdGhlIGNhciBlYXNpZXIgdG8gc3RhcnQgb24gY29sZCBtb3JuaW5ncy4KwqDCoMKgwqAgSSBhbSBsb29raW5nIGF0IHR3byBvZiB0aGVtIG9uIEViYXkuIE9uZSBpcyBmcm9tIEJyaXRpc2hwZXJmb3JtYW5jZXBhcnRzLiBJdCBpcyAkNDQgbW9yZSBleHBlbnNpdmUBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Reduction Starters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am thinking about upgrading my post TS 60,000 TR3A starter to a modern gear reduction starter. I am hoping that it will help make the car easier to start on cold mornings. I am looking at two of them on Ebay. One is from Britishperformanceparts. It is $44 more expensive than the other. I tend to like the guys ad. It could state more about what kind of starter it is. I assume that it started as a Nippon Denso. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230620025024?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 The other guy (Alterstart) states that his is a Nippon Denso, but states that it fits all of the tractor engined TR's including the TR2. We all know what happens when you put a later starter on an earlier starter gear. This raises my suspicions on whether this guy can be trusted. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230620025024?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 Any suggestions? Are there other sources that are recommended? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 09:20:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267E2443F6 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F571443CE for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 15:15:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.165] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 15:15:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 15:15:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 85724 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2013 15:15:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370358914; bh=cSKyHKPXObTtQ97YzXXW7BGgxLdzE6HduroDJf3+UUs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a1Y/7oNBjtJHjsFa7+vv5jXKtJqVuVq7Y7OUMiOSCo+oN0aVza4/JU9qr/UUdERA8mgAfWYVpro8VbOC+H2cV5aE9MeSY1Lbc3kngNgFrl/O1AtRSC6BZK1S4NsJmVApHUGDiq5PAU+H4+LnsEojjBY31UWrYccJ7gho5sUIuNw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Kw5LNIlD/632cnjWD/lEEozpef5XWcpAUQISimBtY1E7uGGWjkYMPX9uW0LBJHlP0wYPhl4c4ipGb29DU/HyNyHxSOu7eecUETtu1ZwtOgnl8DUVm0AFYUfeWy8haCKBMFhuAnn8WduqmWg8nsDdEBy3ZvKljDeK07NF/n7ZKEQ=; KOsNe2cqMx.qC45SQjMSrpFWaCWKVCWHp1wQ3PbCBBAgKxfaagW7CzyH70FT RJFPvkI7BH.bXksu.TJYQxR2Vql0oJF0bDdZgn.609LRe_qk1B28vfGWWa1O _9IW_YS7.rLaRK6goESci9f_B35HSxS4LELfU.7opSQ.tX5.NC7j4fHm7.n2 AO4U6cKYoqZ9Y_0vYjSCdxKgWqpNgGiJDtJu_ln0GkfAHl3DuiFbjsSmhCw_ z4eS_aK5U6zna3ifUstlfJKd1BvNbQ_HAwSjrd0vRDeSoaqf0fZVE4wGsfzv L5a99sarGvECQIWihO4X3oRMFd7yzADwcyYAV8lSWkxfnELFGWwza989Jk_K 3sS2m_PnvUK1LTeCR4KHOWlij8Lhevs77uhrM5s2.7Ewh70DD3X.XwbQz6wK xgY3EgGWk14mRI4DJbypzrh8cAvQE4Fey5Uu.dw1vtt5kIpVbs2zbTP8X4vP jgscWAeHjiYwfwxHke2A1rhJhhwbs4d8VbMUtOKlYovoqSLpGFVdv8V9.mef cpOKPDkB9yJ8F8WBTd1Bw8mY02wp9GAWaeCIECkos.I_U8ZnAYFYZA9U_.eW 8C29gbf238kJU.eNXYqc6Q8vMV2AV2raj.Iv59hZibzz.TSp1jFpj6YyyvhN u2_.I4P7Ycz_DqJU- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:15:14 PDT aW0gYSBsaXR0bGUgY29uY2VybmVkIGF0IG9wZW5pbmcgLmV4ZSBmaWxlcwphbnkgb25lIGJlZW4gaGVyZSB5ZXQ_CsKgCsKgCgpGcm9tOiAid2JlZWNoQGZsYXNoLm5ldCIgPHdiZWVjaEBmbGFzaC5uZXQ.ClRvOiAnVHJpdW1waCBNYWlsIExpc3QnIDx0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IFR1ZXNkYXksIEp1bmUgNCwgMjAxMyA3OjExIEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtUUl0gRlc6IFZUUiAyMDEyIEdhbHZlc3RvbiBQaWN0dXJlcwoKCkhlbGxvIExpc3QsCkZvcndhcmRpbmcgYSBsaW5rIHN1cHBsaWUBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "wbeech@flash.net" , 'Triumph Mail List' Subject: Re: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net im a little concerned at opening .exe files any one been here yet? From: "wbeech@flash.net" To: 'Triumph Mail List' Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Hello List, Forwarding a link supplied to me by Jim Ray of the Texas Triumph Register, official photoghrpher for VTR2012, of the concours event on the pier in Galveston. Download the file from this link, then click on the VTR logo to watch on your PC. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41727767/VTR%20Vintage%20Consourse%20201 2%20-%20Mstr.exe Shared with permission, Bill [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 09:55:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1F344415 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554E9443C6 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:55:23 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=KvonDqueJGHIzwFqfYayOQ==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=vI1aj9AeplMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lIGPixh-8RHuj9GEw8gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=R11SWHAyqNkYARBy1roA:9 a=kao9JpNBbRpCpYq0:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.239.224 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.239.224] ([64.121.239.224:49855] helo=[192.168.1.149]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 46/3C-10053-CDC0EA15; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:50:53 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:50:52 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 door glass removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Both the outer rubber seal and the inner fuzzy weather strip have to be removed. The window has to be disconnected from the winder, two pivots at the bottom of the glass and I believe that the glass channels need to be unbolted, especially at the top so that they can be pushed away from the glass (not entirely sure about this). Allen On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:15 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Doing a frame off on my TR4A. Working on doors but can't get the > glass out. > Followed workshop manual. Window is completely free and the weather > strip > has been removed. Can't get the channels on the bottom of the window > through the top of the window opening. There is quite a bit of > resistance > at that point. > Am afraid to try forcing the the rest of the way out. Seems like it > ought > to be simple but I haven't broken the code yet. Would appreciate > hearing > from anyone who has done it. > > John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 10:53:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DA743175 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82206430E5 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 16:46:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 16:46:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 16:46:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370364376; bh=8B7Iin7sCZ/17peUxprPZcl7WVuWcGpHk4AiTo8Yr60=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=QSIhWPAkCldjc2Dof6bsBIVBrsZ295Zj2RIXashdQCzOvG5o4lCU2LlM9UZ+ipUDofra0HAo3EqYaT+XM4mqQDVN3plSQSb8gELBcbYMyVQ36nrlXyJckNwjt7wnhCITZ1hje0KcxSsAuyCDCwtBx++rDitj6K3MQtqzJgfFv5g= 9OR4ngS5bx5R7FGcWM7NrJrpGvwWm3XMVS6Kn34ABcCd9G4kfX4VzZ3O__uD vxL8OMsX4CFBttnibvZR4gkIRBc2v4MGPKbonITH_VvrBT8fyeBVZLcFEyQE dkiXjJ8z8FlD3hg9MXnkBrfBxwTw9vT5oiRc0Yy_3MguyjvF2T70llmByHU5 Gj9URl.w5JxwWGfRyxwav4pEjca93Z2N2G2MvFSDfOKxs07mFsSxCeQq_Ljt EP2MomkI6M0rcVKTaHihyZ_9sZsSbVsQ_DMcrmAzM035jqM.iRPf5qAy.3dT I7w2ncvXmz8ndiMRiY4kVaMzRCmzcLHS0sAcynuGJ5.U.z1hY.HfyZwJHevQ E6A1YUJ2m4zqPGfenD0ssnWq6wdt1vtjgKyGA00ywA5uwxjHoQO6fdioSfxc smplYZLD2CC38pXEmmpe6MLDGDWZJCTrbszq6U2ulFiwuLcCMs7rLP5aZbw7 USjCCGPgHUpVYN3Nlv1tHoscJOBUEl0huzTqb1xcLnC_vwaO3jhh_qATvZBZ gKDz84prEgGXxn.XCHmg0OgPOorESDiELUZ8Z8o2W6Zeu89XzG.YgnPTKWbV HQ7PWur4VOEE7acBH8vM5AwPG_smEgQkM2ZWHqJX1LLh_v5RIP8SBCBiJM1B fkhOLUJaxh9zbiwRWYA2fVrgjL3835QmdnVxrytnOPSh4BoElVePxzuEM smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jun 2013 09:46:16 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Frank Fisher'" , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <1370358914.85602.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:46:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5hNlFGJ8eNUSPrQ9OWU+UC5HLPewAC/aBQ Subject: Re: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I downloaded it, scanned it and ran it twice, not a peep from my security software. He uses an application called ProShow from Photodex.Com. Bill _____ From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:15 AM To: wbeech@flash.net; 'Triumph Mail List' Subject: Re: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures im a little concerned at opening .exe files any one been here yet? From: "wbeech@flash.net" To: 'Triumph Mail List' Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Hello List, Forwarding a link supplied to me by Jim Ray of the Texas Triumph Register, official photoghrpher for VTR2012, of the concours event on the pier in Galveston. Download the file from this link, then click on the VTR logo to watch on your PC. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41727767/VTR%20Vintage%20Consourse%20201 2%20-%20Mstr.exe Shared with permission, Bill [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 10:55:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B138444499 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094FE4441C for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=/rVrN873vpZPV/n+1A3/lg==:17 a=jhkwqgG1MBAA:10 a=8l0IILQWGWUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=cCVtNt1qm4oA:10 a=bMVqXVBY4F7bBsUThoAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=/rVrN873vpZPV/n+1A3/lg==:117 Received: from [71.30.112.161] ([71.30.112.161:50946] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 65/B8-07131-D7A1EA15; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:49:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1370358647.20558.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:48:58 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5hNk7jNoNbc8DTSZ+4Q2NaXdGqgQADLWIg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Reduction Starters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'll suggest Ted Schumacher. He charges a bit more, but will definitely stand behind the product. And he won't try to sell you a rebuilt starter as new. Supposedly he also makes sure the wires inside the solenoid are secured so they cannot break from vibration. Mostly a racing feature, but can't hurt on the street. And Ted understands quite well the difference between early & late flywheels. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 11:09:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E11E4447E for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F7844435 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 16:57:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.237] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 16:57:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2013 16:57:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 32470 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2013 16:57:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370365049; bh=Vesv0QsmlL4tlIUMVBf/wq4mmI+YCIf84oXsND/hrWc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4BE0wnHQnpWDtza9x7nW68dmq/+x/odOXa8acbaT904LZXEBntn+iteDIytrrvrtI6o+4UkQ4nwCZ43eh6EGTNkgik7N20Wx/YWtg3QvK0OeIcJR1cDvbn77Cj8jfgGUJX0MNrA6wiVU5TsqPaYpaQeLsUDDl18n5EjKY3YSkzI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qVyTGso/4ENCC5X/kK8uPl3RCCe441NXYDdzcjE1fcHSVaaDnbNVktBQLgLVrjpHXwUU5EYDHQHGVl3DLek6e5dLAj6hDVeyWsn5nQYtm/y0YJqID+HHhH6xaCmgfOOwyYA+GjgonXRJP4GoygMc5xERe+jOBUsuOJjjT5ArnGE=; updNpfX84Sj8LfJ4sjXRlkOPCMBd_AHfIyWyNBpc9uCM47oqmWyGkTAguwIj JxO5t4AwiTjgsEZOunrHs7pWvfSGfjFlpO3ktBNkA2Xb6KPThQrhWxJIBA7F QWo5NjNDrOujNc1Gq7JXpnlTePkTHo_thROhlLdEtk4O91HOjMx4UoqhtpxT XgrBC3j8iG0JmXsyUvM6QLNmjLzvvxFrojdWJ2pJmoRRJBGwHdCYEFuHnaRM K9mzHFuQGRwdlfv5HoAbu8qTtpf_Fz7qSPh7AOGMpIXNlFOeLkyGPDapu_Fg DNaua2JKrdz_iWKuisHbhBgzViQ9pamlpNLWUG.oyoZLhYomLxrMeZFIJuEF oZ1LxL0xphKA6x1tAZCKckDgQLO846aOYnGKgOXvA.n_SlxXpU.uZAKMnc0F .o8sEMuNMc6MIk0hvYFKeMMu29.pcXJg_2PY1CfbglDEy7ohcjQ2Vk_rx9oA S2aBv6kn9bWyPThxjqqMYKmWt0255f0f6DNxSBt5HEQiMoT9ztqGpD1d_xVK _VsclOAfLZ5GAintSoTKdQpuyPx9RR4dXAoPRY2bbH3qRZpQvb8uDoyE7HMh bEsbXeu31zjk8j1dI4x75mYPoZNt9em_Ry1JqiygHThf5HCsh0Gjqi.TdVaX JKVh8HuvaZHPL8Q_w.UElHzczqhik6Ya07mVIRDoT5js7Gw2tveVOyPEf52t iNiD99W84bLv_hymf68AVvDJRA9_x3vGzZOpXA6pH Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 09:57:29 PDT dGhhbmtzIEJpbGwKwqAKwqAKCkZyb206ICJ3YmVlY2hAZmxhc2gubmV0IiA8d2JlZWNoQGZsYXNoLm5ldD4KVG86ICdGcmFuayBGaXNoZXInIDx5ZWxsb3d0cjNAeWFob28uY29tPjsgJ1RyaXVtcGggTWFpbCBMaXN0JyA8dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBKdW5lIDQsIDIwMTMgOTo0NiBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSRTogW1RSXSBGVzogVlRSIDIwMTIgR2FsdmVzdG9uIFBpY3R1cmVzCgoKCkkgZG93bmxvYWRlZCBpdCwgc2Nhbm5lZCBpdCBhbmQgcmFuIGl0IHR3aWNlLCBub3QBMAEBAQE- References: <1370358914.85602.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6C1D24C486B74AFB850099ED42744CB8@bboffice> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "wbeech@flash.net" , 'Triumph Mail List' Subject: Re: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thanks Bill From: "wbeech@flash.net" To: 'Frank Fisher' ; 'Triumph Mail List' Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: RE: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures I downloaded it, scanned it and ran it twice, not a peep from my security software. He uses an application called ProShow from Photodex.Com. Bill From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:15 AM To: wbeech@flash.net; 'Triumph Mail List' Subject: Re: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures im a little concerned at opening .exe files any one been here yet? From: "wbeech@flash.net" To: 'Triumph Mail List' Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: [TR] FW: VTR 2012 Galveston Pictures Hello List, Forwarding a link supplied to me by Jim Ray of the Texas Triumph Register, official photoghrpher for VTR2012, of the concours event on the pier in Galveston. Download the file from this link, then click on the VTR logo to watch on your PC. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41727767/VTR%20Vintage%20Consourse%20201 2%20-%20Mstr.exe Shared with permission, Bill [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 12:27:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE6540525 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E5E4041E for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:22:19 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1370369864; x=1370974664; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=VNyygIxAvEtgfcI5vkSla2IzVnsQQbSkpTKP9hJx+sg=; b=tmu Dgbz7RI9/x5SHepLXE2QJGW0TPK397hf4kyTuJVR5OkiWOebrN5Ru6Qr6Z9Lt5uf Mjc5wkHEoVt/bsiQmd0wwXEYqFp27+vM9GuPDUfUfcmSSBTHJYE10JvPB2goChDo pw1gwRN8O5JotpKVVzxXdkiYDiWIr2VDh/rVla/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=LJuVFfcOPHhaGQN+/oUsFRDB2sifHYSG/+hmNWMH29w64yZQ1z/hAYCsayV4 qjo/cgIypqdCq9iOsIV8VbWFVuClarlR9JoTgaAoLtIkwCd//PjVIJ9Um g1GerCWm96EMmwzk4GjOIRS13lfL/bcpEdj74bgwnG/VGlUxrbbhjs=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 10-md50000135226.msg for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 14:17:43 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 14:22:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] TR6 suspension adjustment question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, last question for a bit, I promise... I took my TR6 to inspection yesterday, where it passed first time. Phew! However, the inspector did note that the right front wheel was able to move about 1/8" relative to the car due to slop in the lower A-arm/trunnion joint. I can't say I was shocked since, when driving down the highway, I felt the car to be driving like a fish swims compared to my memory of what should be. Wiggling the steering wheel, I actually thought I had forgotten to tighten the wheel nuts. The inspector thought things might just be too loose. I wasn't so sure, but not about to disqualify my car by opening my big mouth and disagreeing. However, on disassembly, I found the castellated nut on the big cross bolt was not even finger tight. I had thought it was the nylon top hat bushings, but having bought some new ones, they look about the same as the parts I put in 20 years ago when starting the re-build (so long it's been!) I do see there is some wear in the trunnion bore and A-arm ends, but not too dreadful, so I will conserve my little stock of pennies and just clean, lube and tighten up properly until the end of the season. I think part of the problem is that I recall following the procedure which left things quite loose. Now that I look at the setup, it seems clear that the bolt should be quite tight to hold the trunnion, spacers and arms rigid at 90 degrees relative to each other while still permitting the arm ends to turn the nylon top hats on the spacers. But, that tightness is at variance with some of the documentation. As noted in the forum link below, this is not a new issue: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?79394-TR6-Trunnion-Lower-A- Arm-Bolt-Torque-or-End-Float I too possess a Haynes manual (complete with various errors) so now suspect my problems come from worshipping at the wrong alter of mechanical purity. (Perhaps next I must buy new Baal joints...) So, how tight should I be setting the cross bolt on the suspension? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 14:32:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12779403BC for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:32:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DA540442 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130604202346.WOND24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:23:46 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id kLPl1l00X3enFnk05LPlME; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:23:45 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=8l0IILQWGWUA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=cCVtNt1qm4oA:10 a=7UXro6TDAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=3gwQucThpLflX5V3cpsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=WmVFpy7F4M4A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=feDdbyZXIUQI831o:21 a=k8gME4eJnHgyW9Lc:21 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1370358647.20558.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:23:45 -0400 Thread-Index: AQDPdejfBwdJSGLuMVal5YU7BFeSW5sj1Gcw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Reduction Starters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We sourced one for out TR6 from Gustafson Specialty. It has worked great. Not sure if they sell directly but I think they were happy to sell to a local shop. They advertise in all major LBC magazines. I noticed on their website that they address that very issue of how can one starter fit many engines - they don't. What does TRF, Moss and VB offer? www.gustafsonspecialty.com Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Reduction Starters I am thinking about upgrading my post TS 60,000 TR3A starter to a modern gear reduction starter. I am hoping that it will help make the car easier to start on cold mornings. I am looking at two of them on Ebay. One is from Britishperformanceparts. It is $44 more expensive than the other. I tend to like the guys ad. It could state more about what kind of starter it is. I assume that it started as a Nippon Denso. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230620025024?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m 1423.l2649 The other guy (Alterstart) states that his is a Nippon Denso, but states that it fits all of the tractor engined TR's including the TR2. We all know what happens when you put a later starter on an earlier starter gear. This raises my suspicions on whether this guy can be trusted. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230620025024?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984. m 1423.l2649 Any suggestions? Are there other sources that are recommended? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 16:20:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B9B42A13 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020914044D for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:06:14 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:06:12 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Balancing Carbs Oddity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings All, I've recently found myself with some free time, and am looking into those low priority items on my punch list. First up is trying to get my engine to purr, as I've always had a rough idle, with the RPM vacillating over a range of roughly 125, but smooths out while driving. I believe the issue might be indicated by something odd with my carbs (SU HS6), which I had rebuilt by Paltech. Here's the scenario.. I am using a Uni-Syn tool to balance the air flow (main idle). The weird thing is that I achieve balance with the front carb's screw not touching at all (therefore the throttle is not opened at all), and the rear carb's screw is engaged (thus opening the throttle). If this is correct, it means I am getting air flow balance from one carb completely closed, and the other partially opened, which should not happen. I'm planning on checking for a vacuum leak, and hoping I find one. Is there anything else I could look for? Maybe the throttle in the front carb is NOT closing all the way, even though the idle screw is not engaged? Maybe the cylinders aren't creating an equal amount of vacuum? Thanks in advance!! Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 17:24:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E75342A16 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F36140556 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kDGz1l00617dt5G51PF2vj; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 23:15:02 +0000 Received: from [10.242.39.1] ([174.237.226.183]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kPEt1l0053y2svA3ZPEv4w; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 23:15:00 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 18:14:59 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370387702; bh=F9Z++wcNWP1Fp5c4/f1imGGCG4Fn5kFdZ1sq8OkkzV4=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NhMFTZ8+GYwaP4QpyNbeUywovBIiXn5sjs/TZUU4ni/yt8Wy51PgQoncUa8L6tSe3 KidZONNjNlnOogt18539kPBMmBxwsaBloSNDCeZ1Oq1iexXMJ+LzjjXTNMEUyGxSdE x8ugYl6R1yFKJGYUQW7zyPWl+ZyEg9kRkYXxH7upScEd/3FcClPnDi3m0T9JcAmYit kOLAYOxQCijGPSsGsnPqrcSbbVkpIunPTZ836Jt/baF4elzPnXpuBjmHeLo5Qm17HI aHf8BIcxWCsX350wkPCsG8qvSO1BMmCSQtcrea+Ts2Y6Qzj6YJcrea6DBzARBQza09 2d/1xF9CUxnrg== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Message_from_The_Vintage_Racer?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FYI Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "ray" Subject: Message from The Vintage Racer Date: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 5:31 pm We did one production run of 10# steel flywheels a few years ago. Have elected not to spend the time to market them. Thanks for the inquiry. Joe Alexander Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:28 PM, ray wrote: > From: ray > Email: spook01@comcast.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you offer a lighter steel flywheel for the TR4 (bolt on starter ring) > drilled for a TR6 pressure plate? Thanks for your help. > Ray > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Office Use Only: > From: ray > Email: spook01@comcast.net > Login Name: Not logged in > Login Email: Not logged in > IP Address: 174.237.224.237 - 174.237.224.237 > Host Address: 237.sub-174-237-224.myvzw.com > Date and Time: Mon Jun 3 2013 20:28:50 MST ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 17:27:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3483940556 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A46440556 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.101.168]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id kPP01l00E3dzpZy01PP0fl; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:23:02 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , "'triumphs'" References: <20130604232445.C5A29427CE@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:23:03 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHyzb+1QCBNvbkM/9hK+S81or+kfZjdWRnw Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Message from The Vintage Racer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check with Racetorations in the UK (www.racetorations.co.uk). I got one for my TR3. Andrew Uprichard Cousin of the owner of Racetorations, but NFI -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:15 PM To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Fwd: Message from The Vintage Racer FYI Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "ray" Subject: Message from The Vintage Racer Date: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 5:31 pm We did one production run of 10# steel flywheels a few years ago. Have elected not to spend the time to market them. Thanks for the inquiry. Joe Alexander Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:28 PM, ray wrote: > From: ray > Email: spook01@comcast.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you offer a lighter steel flywheel for the TR4 (bolt on starter > ring) drilled for a TR6 pressure plate? Thanks for your help. > Ray > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Office Use Only: > From: ray > Email: spook01@comcast.net > Login Name: Not logged in > Login Email: Not logged in > IP Address: 174.237.224.237 - 174.237.224.237 > Host Address: 237.sub-174-237-224.myvzw.com > Date and Time: Mon Jun 3 2013 20:28:50 MST ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 17:56:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D7142A4B for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF6A428E6 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:55:59 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=Vy0kxRhEkHcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=B-ZaUPgUx3oA:10 a=ulVDsB-30lbzmvPLKtYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:52616] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AA/9B-12968-E7D7EA15; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 23:51:26 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "G.D. Huggins" , References: <35171967-176B-4F23-B87D-313CDB371E99@genfiniti.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:51:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Balancing Carbs Oddity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First guess is one throttle disc is not centered (the one on which the screw is all the way in of course) or there is a leak in the throttle shaft area (should be it properly rebuilt) or the linkage is hanging up and it won't let the throttle close all the way, if you push the shaft the direction that closes the throttle on the suspect carb end does it slow down? Good Luck, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 18:26:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9E542A4D for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E5403CF for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:24:22 -0600 (MDT) a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:17 a=9XOHBX1n8dsA:10 a=v4EoMqLp6XwA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=hWwfN8d25ZIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=iMSj3xQcAAAA:8 a=XTYnLuY6yNWB9u7inuoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=nZCp16mobLMA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=F7LWL4Wnv9p2p4efJzjc/w==:117 Received: from [173.88.251.65] ([173.88.251.65:50847] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 09/5E-22496-5248EA15; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 00:19:50 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , References: <74ca20f9.1ce6150.24520a2c.56ae@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 20:19:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 suspension adjustment question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 55 to 60 pounds. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hooper Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:22 PM To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: [TR] TR6 suspension adjustment question OK, last question for a bit, I promise... I took my TR6 to inspection yesterday, where it passed first time. Phew! However, the inspector did note that the right front wheel was able to move about 1/8" relative to the car due to slop in the lower A-arm/trunnion joint. I can't say I was shocked since, when driving down the highway, I felt the car to be driving like a fish swims compared to my memory of what should be. Wiggling the steering wheel, I actually thought I had forgotten to tighten the wheel nuts. The inspector thought things might just be too loose. I wasn't so sure, but not about to disqualify my car by opening my big mouth and disagreeing. However, on disassembly, I found the castellated nut on the big cross bolt was not even finger tight. I had thought it was the nylon top hat bushings, but having bought some new ones, they look about the same as the parts I put in 20 years ago when starting the re-build (so long it's been!) I do see there is some wear in the trunnion bore and A-arm ends, but not too dreadful, so I will conserve my little stock of pennies and just clean, lube and tighten up properly until the end of the season. I think part of the problem is that I recall following the procedure which left things quite loose. Now that I look at the setup, it seems clear that the bolt should be quite tight to hold the trunnion, spacers and arms rigid at 90 degrees relative to each other while still permitting the arm ends to turn the nylon top hats on the spacers. But, that tightness is at variance with some of the documentation. As noted in the forum link below, this is not a new issue: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?79394-TR6-Trunnion-Lower-A- Arm-Bolt-Torque-or-End-Float I too possess a Haynes manual (complete with various errors) so now suspect my problems come from worshipping at the wrong alter of mechanical purity. (Perhaps next I must buy new Baal joints...) So, how tight should I be setting the cross bolt on the suspension? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 22:19:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9CC42A55 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 22:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA44142844 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 22:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNW00DJWJNTDF14@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 23:12:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: References: <16922265.535894.1369747646981.JavaMail.root@vznit170190> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 00:11:57 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQJto7w5r17YxntLdzvlnW6DQ8qaw5fn+lAQ Expiry-date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues - Thank you. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a follow-up to let all know what I found 1) dimmer switch bad - no continuity from solidblue connection (middle) to high beam side (double spade terminals) 2) test headlamp had high beam only 3) Bad relay on low beam side No wonder nothing worked..... I had spares of both the dimmer and relay. Found an old headlamp I could use to test (not sure what it was from - it was a large hi/low rectangular lamp) Spent a good 12 hours sorting it out. 4 blown fuses. Original Test headlamp now has no beams :^) But the lights shine brightly now.... On to the tail lights and indicator lamps. Hopefully much easier. No brake fluid yet so can't test that function until next week sometime. Talked with the folks at AdvanceAutoWire - the fuses are on the lamp side of the relay so that any short (which would probably occur at the lamps) would not pass through the relay to eventually the switch. There is a fuse on both the low and high beam circuit. Since I had a single hot wire feeding into the relays from the control box through a second fuse box on the firewall, I decided to go ahead and add one after the relays on the footwell behind/above the dip switch. I am putting P700 lamps with halogen bulbs on the car and thought it might be prudent. Perhaps that is overkill, but it seemed to make sense in my feeble brain.. Later, C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:27 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlamp "Pull my hair out' Issues - Thank you. Thanks to Dave, Randall, Greg, & George for the responses. I will spend some time checking the various suggestions over the next few days. I noticed on the schematic from Advanced Auto that the fuses are after the relays - I assume to protect the relays from shorting out. Is there an advantage to that since I'll be 'up there' anyway and wouldn't be a major issue in switching. Thanks again. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 05/27/13, Carl-TR wrote: The project is moving along.. ran into a 'stumper' this afternoon. See http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/cfmtr3a/media/TR3AwiringCM_16LampCircuitSM ALL.png.html (email if problems viewing it) I have all wired as in the link - but nothing happens when I flip the switch. Checked the fuses - ok Checked juice from the switch - ok Checked the live wire going into the fuse block - ok But no lights. Wires feed into standard H/L pigtail. Grounded at Horn Tower connection. Just in case - put a jumper from ground lead directly to battery - no difference. Anything wrong with my schematic? Next step is to disconnect at relays and bypass - but I can't believe that both relays are bad. Any insight is appreciated.. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 06:08:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9114403A6 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 06:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78A140447 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 05:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D1A9D700373F4 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9D212E000082 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:51:13 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370433073; bh=0/W7We618pcLAI9W+a6HfI+LcjdTydXUPrWDdVZBzdc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YniIygS3I0IyW24/LWCUGaCZpQLCkFkEXK07fbKCa+WCRSW2loyTu7kxmOIrP0kPj 8AJriXaFDEy8BEShtnOm78XEOtRSWjHxMZu0hfUpgkKWZmlmTSEjmoapjH59dnpGPp LKbrW9Cldp5/O1z35u4tGLpPyHZIddvbWkd8yoQI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51af26317278 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Balancing Carbs Oddity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The reason is it isn't completely closed afterall. As mentioned, the disc may not be centered. But also remember you have to disconnect the linkages from each other so they may move independently. If the tie linkages are still connected adjusting one set screw will open both throttles. But you probably knew that. Dave In a message dated 6/4/2013 5:16:21 PM Central Daylight Time, guy@genfiniti.com writes: > I am using a Uni-Syn tool to balance the air flow (main idle). > The weird thing is that I achieve balance with the front carb's screw not > touching at all (therefore the throttle is not opened at all), and the > rear > carb's screw is engaged (thus opening the throttle). > If this is correct, it means I am getting air flow balance from one carb > completely closed, and the other partially opened, which should not > happen. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 09:13:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEAC40517 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E3596403A8 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.227] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 15:08:21 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.124] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 15:08:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 15:08:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 78413 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2013 15:08:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370444901; bh=0c8WTNCaUAXfgY54eC0OwursBdT3P7C9PfyBqOCTptk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=An2OxvqXN4o0uJd/tZDEUlL/EYE7yImhbNpkipRQ2bk67QqcCq3QpmZ73/mXSdpRVyoe8xo0dWzmWln9bF+J8h2EXwKjUJB0q/dD8Wnq2jttSJivLay2CG9Ygb6jiwxhI31ICy3rlGNuyIQmvK8Cmk/dn7ctWZLZWy/aoiRO5kU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FW1DRsBQefbKOy6CBL4sor4So8EBK9hsIYtngCdM7SfOn/iqPghG+STwn+xNyRehSDj2FaNUjyP7Xn1JBdd1Y++Dwi0tV7WX7fOL33qfdlsjApIS22Tmo52WuSxqWVop26qWd5escgrUpDAsmeLhqjAh0llhPcdexRyBnp3czDs=; k445WyTIR2rLUA2yWgH4jVhdklQf88F9puGrQDKmfO7Jpp3x3ZcJm9AxCFgn mXXzMxbk3cMFMjksCkISlAKKVptEtUh24hZjABlpTfuv6dCesQlHuqSHra_x XZEVEePDwjpP_6piZvVkiEmtAJkOr0LkPMS8vWP43dIS11YzotCanT8FaGKf q7tQCnHFheQwVZ4YjA6mueMFKeT9VcGRx4Y3lJzzp5pj4dROhL1vPPErmM2g LrcrWNr5x4XpRaNdYrxmMJ6tepOAFrM1Gp3iW7q1NJ7oMuQZEB11lJfEzcPG r7jmVCHITRL7ZlQm_V9.D3ihboTS6itiUiM81EOBvSL0sf42PIGFQ9OtbEqK p6gX7JHONy.061.G1zSiQ5l2fvJ_5ACpP6AxOY_z2cI.LfIWfsRRvF.lQ3N9 Ax2yk7PiwxcOnHR45sEIh7L4l Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 16:08:20 BST RmVsbG93IExpc3RlcnMKwqAKSSByYXJlbHkgcG9zdCBub3cgYXMgSSBubyBsb25nZXIgb3duIGFueSBUcml1bXBocyBhcyB3aGVyZSBJIGxpdmUgd2FzIGJ1aWx0IGJlZm9yZSB0aGUgZGF5cyBvZiB0aGUgY2FyLCBoZW5jZSBubyBnYXJhZ2Ugc3BhY2UuCsKgClRoYXQgdG8gb25lIHNpZGUsIEkndmUgbm90aWNlZCBvZiBsYXRlIHRoYXQgdGhlIEZCSFZDIChGZWRlcmF0aW9uIG9mIEhpc3RvcmljIEJyaXRpc2ggVmVoaWNsZSBDbHVicyBpbiB0aGUgVUspIHNlZW1zIHRvIGJlIGdldHRpbmcgdmVyeSBkZXNwb24BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:08:20 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fellow Listers I rarely post now as I no longer own any Triumphs as where I live was built before the days of the car, hence no garage space. That to one side, I've noticed of late that the FBHVC (Federation of Historic British Vehicle Clubs in the UK) seems to be getting very despondent about the use of ethanol in modern fuel and the fact that ethanol is judged by the FBHVC to be harmful to older cars of our preference. I'm making no claims or statements one way or the other but I've a feeling this hue and cry is vaguely redolent of the situation 12+ years back when leaded fuel was finally abandoned in the UK. In those days, if you listened to the prophets of doom at the time (and believed them) most classic cars would completely vanish from the scene within a few years. Well, I never believed any of the trash published by the classic car press (and some clubs) and we've still got those cars in probably the same numbers? As I knew at the time and did my best to present an alternative view based on technical evidence from the Engineering Divisions at Rover, Land Rover and BMW Mobile Tradition, even re-seating exhaust valves truly wasn't essential, neither was the use of octane boosters or lead substitutes. Cars were happily running on lead memory - and thousands still do! I'm simply curious to know what you guys think and may have discovered in the unavoidable use of ethanol in your tanks? AFAIK you've been using it a lot longer than we have - and without any problems if the lack of posts on this list are to be believed? When I drove "uncle jack" across the States and Canada in 2009 (18,000 miles in just two months driving) the only issues with fuel were two blocked fuel filters and a failed Facet pump in Vancouver. Since then, I've not seen anything from Phil Ethier who now owns "uj" about ethanol probs he has (or hasn't) had and all this leads me to believe the whole scenario could be something of a 'red herring.' Comments off list would be interesting. As I said, I no longer own a classic car and my daily transport is diesel powered and came out of Korea. Cheers, Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 09:40:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE2340527 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272640407 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS14 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:26:56 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'John Macartney'" , "'Triumph List'" References: <1370444900.78247.YahooMailNeo@web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:26:37 -0700 Thread-Index: AQMODxD1puyRwIyC4Lt/ZXLLNI30upan4jog Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[1D79E460:01CE6201] Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Out here in the desert, all I can say is that ethanol blends are not working. Modern cars utilize closed pressurized fuel systems. Our vintage cars do not. On hot days (and there are a lot of them in Las Vegas) the fuel will literally vaporize (evaporate/boil) in the float bowls, causing lean conditions and drivability problems, particularly in stop and go traffic. Not sure of any needle/float/mixture combination that once set can accommodate the range of temperatures and conditions we are dealing with - that's why new cars have computerized ignition programs. The fact of the matter is that on the hottest days, even my modern cars have drivability problems. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ----- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 10:24:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1833042707 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5B1403F8 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:06:09 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=Afb7j3eBmXAA:10 a=YJCMlCxpAAAA:8 a=bXHCO2LqtTixS7Cjs0sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:54192] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 04/BC-25428-CD06FA15; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 16:01:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:01:36 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1370444900.78247.YahooMailNeo@web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <51AF5CA3.7090202@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I meant to send this to the list in addition to John. > John, > > I have heard terrible things about ethanol even in newer engines. I am > not a chemist but since I can get non ethanol high test here in CNY, I > use it in all my Triumphs. > > I have to say that they do run great using this blend. > > I also had the cyl. heads modified for unleaded years ago just to be > safe. > > I figure I have about 15 years of driving left. I hope the engines > last until then! > > Then it will be up to my 3 kids to decide what to do. > > Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 10:40:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4486240E1C for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B935403EC for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:12:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:12:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 23035 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2013 16:12:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370448738; bh=wwUaHrgDjzB2epP2CGA3gQHz1s6ZDBajtQeRyvI4jME=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2kqrUT6YP41i81WZ/LuaFRl7SaVptaG81mPFKb55N9kqQ4JxohUDbsu7YE6zSW7UTp7k0I7BGVzkrM3UtpUkgRt6YFO2k0Mh3GftqBiyXnEampztlbixZZkIklKJWHfbQcUihzuGBIKYwCOlEovwo2aojSMxnCBxXJOwkwaDzVI= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QQ45wEJm+NbOiccGHsRan1kc/53a5nf5kSwYxFYhd3xTFtwkEJt7chb+s8HIXLZ3l8hycJlCchlKe72mQNVYnnnliUF43NLH0eH63lk7nCX6IrMiEKwnqJaCxArj8lORtjAo2R2luZIx+VUslUJSYv2GbqMi2xZBfhmWhZTtYa4=; VLW5zOLGTnPcwc6e9r3hFlWDmlCwGrpbZ6rJRFypJyQ_SoOW6xYalJdZLh_l F5heZnS_nPeHD._ntBsD1_H4XyRKSsmYTJMKSRnDkbQj1dQlMEcfvrfgOIJY JL7lYwoQQL.GnRJIEpkwsl_Sv0b_QxFmN0hFM_qLTe_msnUqQRZLgZkXjqG1 QAElbxcLLUrAgiB.o8aYGiJoC2cQhGwDj3k1T2tF4DHREWcWesgJdPYO7RND b21HWG6FIbh1CorCulqtCHS_4c9b7_0x7bh8Z2RRHPR5_dDACX6ct4J9OCN9 Bx4eIfV6OID4AO5UlDIJN4ssOtPRkz9b.plze.L8shFNWUd5SviMTFJOj8jS 6YzQ1W4bgO_64ME9BY1IAqSHdG89JtQGs.KNS22fGmbiVNGdG0RReEOLa5aR .iDv0D3ysiPueztRocO0C6Kg.q02Exoi8hs6T09Md8DnZ5YMGIFWuTDEyrcC pYj8m9o5ZmPjyWiYMSvK6Xw-- Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:12:18 PDT WW91IG1heSB3YW50IHRvIGNoZWNrIHRoYXQgdGhlIHBpc3RvbnMgZGlkIG5vdCBnZXQgc3dhcHBlZCBmcm9tIG9uZSBjYXJiIHRvIHRoZSBvdGhlci4gIFdoaWxlIHRoZSBwaXN0b24gaXRzZWxmIGlzIGEgZ2VuZXJpYyBmaXQgcGFydCB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIGhlaWdodCBhZGp1c3RtZW50IGF0IHRoZSBib3R0b20gb2YgdGhlIHBpc3RvbiwgYSBzbWFsbCBicmFzcyBhcmVhIGlmIEkgcmVtZW1iZXIgY29ycmVjdGx5LCB0aGF0IHNldHMgdGhlIHN0b3AgaGVpZ2h0IG9mIHRoZSBwaXN0b24gYXQgaWRsZS4NCg0KSSABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Balancing Carbs Oddity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may want to check that the pistons did not get swapped from one carb to the other. While the piston itself is a generic fit part there is a height adjustment at the bottom of the piston, a small brass area if I remember correctly, that sets the stop height of the piston at idle. I had a set of TR4 carbs come back from the rebuilder in such a condition. The telltale was that with the engine stopped and the air cleaners off I could see that the gap below the piston was different on the two carbs. Swapping the pistons made the gaps equal and cured all the strange idle problems I was having. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 10:52:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEA140545 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9751403F7 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hz10so1302083vcb.10 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bHmhQgTDpQEdXIi+4AAoVKZ8i7C0ZFBvqUt3l4gtjLk=; b=HfZRpw92t+NPfvCEVNNdYUnNDMKIDtio5dGu2Wgb3SjlmaSCsMzDS5v3HrV9WXWeHc ctJXGErSnjREqwHMDsEZdwxKtgKguqVvDYXx9mjDy1RiD1mSjc9BA9dZj58v73ZNV8Fv q0ZWzqHIRJH26PV9cEOriQdtsT3yWTnULaI12yW5Vhrd51qbxTwAGq/Xxh76Xfok6JzI bbjXvNZBVl/3F3tWxoXKhDkYBYl4pdaBYlZYpwIX927A3BzsWvObOG3wXpXKtPIbADOn 9aEf9Sq8oGdopDSB0WQICKDaA5O/03MaCtT90BwsDvwCXG8wCMPirZpY84HTJaxbYO2h BG2Q== dx5mr17350902vdb.23.1370449904711; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <1412906923.2800089.1370224545235.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1651106170.2800323.1370225028617.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <871076D1BE0941A5BD7021E8497CEADA@Meislaptop> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:31:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Scott Suhring , Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] 59 TR3A Choke Setting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Randall wrote: > If you check Practical Hints, I believe there is a photo in there that > shows > the unusual arrangement at the front... Said photo... http://tinyurl.com/kgeb82p Though my view is -- whatever works that gives you full choke & full release w/o binding is best. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 10:53:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C45D42793 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B0A403F7 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.127] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 16:31:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370449906; bh=9JJvTXOAN//dwa2GvaiPBPp1h/OyzdP1tCVpHtGgNZ4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=vCRhVj1kL9Jo/SKkxoxgI6fYmp9/Z+3W62TsKCCvAq8p4CtcH3zb5VR57gXT+WTHex8G+Q7EyjtITf4mT/tJNjApuadPIuHCg9X+KJlv4iqK1SHcAaC54QN/dy03Zg9OVIKn77fULHHLBlMVo8rGzWmcmwGAhhEfWW9l6+YqdL8= ShE0ZEVY1Ij1JyWk13JuHVn5yZFHcCqAu_kT44WUnJKsNNHaV3AhmrU6pubb DWeM.AG8IO017nTr6yRaCd.vBmqNdfLtzQvJA_JiOxwM6g6IfYpcEQcSsKY2 7JcqhseyxL8JnV32YgGcbxgprOWaEcoNCNdgCkG28HnQXwykgGEFyGanCnAj a3heGqUBcbnfitiJ2uuL3MhJMG83BKaXpsFPuUjip3crMTbrkquZBVfpDBII kE7GXa6jQW1tmPmeHumePHlztQOcScp815CRkMxRQ44ohksuBwGRZgPUyvtA OwpPRQAS0xZC0t2q_LJ7eHdfwbdmKQGJiSwh5F95776_7x66Ho4s74fJ0jb1 JIM9zKmaDwKbeGpE0tAIc.SZIr0dtIHHxGAxj8KWtPdKlvJxgVcgrk04TzMP ZMu_t5go7Zup1DZIXfuxvwsLSPMCFkmjcuSp80mmgxToNJezsQe9c7V_bwZE Owk2SPhBdk0iNANNKYZM9S38F_Z7Kes78dZFEX_vclxorV_EMcr_jvfsvTeO P178- smtp206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jun 2013 09:31:46 -0700 PDT References: <1370444900.78247.YahooMailNeo@web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <51AF5CA3.7090202@adelphia.net> <51AF60E0.9080602@adelphia.net> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:31:43 -0500 To: Bob Labuz Cc: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We have three stations in town, Abilene, Texas, that still provide ethanol-free petrol. I stop there whenever I can, but not exclusively. It's been 5300 miles since the rebuild and adding hardened seats, no problems. The other issue I heard of, but not experienced, was the softening of the older rubber fuel lines. Mine are all new, 5 years ago, and have no problems. Perhaps someone else can speak to this. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: > I meant to send this to the list in addition to John. > > >> John, >> >> I have heard terrible things about ethanol even in newer engines. I am not a chemist but since I can get non ethanol high test here in CNY, I use it in all my Triumphs. >> >> I have to say that they do run great using this blend. >> >> I also had the cyl. heads modified for unleaded years ago just to be safe. >> >> I figure I have about 15 years of driving left. I hope the engines last until then! >> >> Then it will be up to my 3 kids to decide what to do. >> >> Bob > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 11:13:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6702C4051F for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEF3403F3 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2499A70004396; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.13]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AE919E000082; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:04:33 -0400 (EDT) To: guy@genfiniti.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370451874; bh=V/T/yhUpSgpWi29YPlWeYGFvj3MTDepB8y7J3mv4MQI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GCAl1pxSDCQvaJ3t0u7hIC1b5ypovJy2mXns0OHSDaowJ/0ZS8JIRcLRAUKVRBzfY YPAsKCTeTJL9bPyiUonav9b4f0GlDNi9SIkZb1h/R5RZri01tyMI8PWzvDvUdNFT7W KqWaxvY95S45DJ45UfriS7uhDOniMycfLtQ54V1o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51af6fa1183f Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Balancing Carbs Oddity Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Guy, This is not meant to be insulting but sometimes little obvious things get overlooked.....did you slacken the throttle linkage clamps next to both carbs to allow the carbs to work independently of the accelerator shaft? You can't set proper balance if the throttle shaft between both carbs is fastened tight. If you're good on this then try using the front carb as the starting point for balancing by turning the idle screw down to raise the idle to a point where you can say you've actually raised the idle by turning the screw. Set the UniSyn to that flow rate then go the rear carb and set its idle screw to achieve the same Unisyn flow rate. Once you've dialed in a balanced flow rate, tighten the throttle shaft clamps, give the throttle a few good blips to settle things down and adjust each idle screw up or down equally to get the desired idle speed. Providing that everything else is "okay", this should balance your carbs. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:16:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, guy@genfiniti.com writes: Greetings All, I've recently found myself with some free time, and am looking into those low priority items on my punch list. First up is trying to get my engine to purr, as I've always had a rough idle, with the RPM vacillating over a range of roughly 125, but smooths out while driving. I believe the issue might be indicated by something odd with my carbs (SU HS6), which I had rebuilt by Paltech. Here's the scenario.. I am using a Uni-Syn tool to balance the air flow (main idle). The weird thing is that I achieve balance with the front carb's screw not touching at all (therefore the throttle is not opened at all), and the rear carb's screw is engaged (thus opening the throttle). If this is correct, it means I am getting air flow balance from one carb completely closed, and the other partially opened, which should not happen. I'm planning on checking for a vacuum leak, and hoping I find one. Is there anything else I could look for? Maybe the throttle in the front carb is NOT closing all the way, even though the idle screw is not engaged? Maybe the cylinders aren't creating an equal amount of vacuum? Thanks in advance!! Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 11:31:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B54140549 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EE240400 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 10B387000008D; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.13]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9B364E000085; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:16:26 -0400 (EDT) To: flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370452586; bh=dlHDO3Si62a1tCPTa4rgqJn4496RSQCL5zGO7wHV88Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RKA5yeQru6bOuYhE0N4kHG8AOyToubezR4VwG5OMrp7MDGHZ0tTJ2pXy7RJDH/VDx cfhnvkDP+pAtVJXv7kVu3uQvu6jhL62Drei14uPgJoGLmTlAPHKx78L8QbHFxiDLpk 83wztmrOaN+1mklvvj5ncmYbIk1uEdZ1Zjp8HkHs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a51af726a31a4 Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, I can't blame ethanol gas to be certain but it does seem odd that I had to replace the fuel filter on my TR6 twice during the past 8 years (motor stopped running). Upon examination of the filter (I sawed it in half and removed the metal shell to get to the element), the element was literally plastered with a choking slurry of what looked like heavy mud. Shining a flashlight into the fuel tank didn't reveal anything odd so I really don't know where the gunk came from. I've never had rubber hose, fuel pump or gasket problems with ethanol gas. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 6/5/2013 11:08:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: Fellow Listers I rarely post now as I no longer own any Triumphs as where I live was built before the days of the car, hence no garage space. That to one side, I've noticed of late that the FBHVC (Federation of Historic British Vehicle Clubs in the UK) seems to be getting very despondent about the use of ethanol in modern fuel and the fact that ethanol is judged by the FBHVC to be harmful to older cars of our preference. I'm making no claims or statements one way or the other but I've a feeling this hue and cry is vaguely redolent of the situation 12+ years back when leaded fuel was finally abandoned in the UK. In those days, if you listened to the prophets of doom at the time (and believed them) most classic cars would completely vanish from the scene within a few years. Well, I never believed any of the trash published by the classic car press (and some clubs) and we've still got those cars in probably the same numbers? As I knew at the time and did my best to present an alternative view based on technical evidence from the Engineering Divisions at Rover, Land Rover and BMW Mobile Tradition, even re-seating exhaust valves truly wasn't essential, neither was the use of octane boosters or lead substitutes. Cars were happily running on lead memory - and thousands still do! I'm simply curious to know what you guys think and may have discovered in the unavoidable use of ethanol in your tanks? AFAIK you've been using it a lot longer than we have - and without any problems if the lack of posts on this list are to be believed? When I drove "uncle jack" across the States and Canada in 2009 (18,000 miles in just two months driving) the only issues with fuel were two blocked fuel filters and a failed Facet pump in Vancouver. Since then, I've not seen anything from Phil Ethier who now owns "uj" about ethanol probs he has (or hasn't) had and all this leads me to believe the whole scenario could be something of a 'red herring.' Comments off list would be interesting. As I said, I no longer own a classic car and my daily transport is diesel powered and came out of Korea. Cheers, Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 13:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328F840533 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D5040403 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8673370040A83 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DACC8E00008F for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370459600; bh=bK5jv4NZDhmYGwlHNFzQZq9LAXuolVHZJe9/ZBcxIjg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ViBhBAnKVmOXxaFTdAk3XCjPBisbgjglTh01gmajRv19Pi1GswC0dkZeA/0fidkty AxslF5bWEIvIkQvJNLs7B2x60snjgfiImt03gDEgWMC1lnk+CfOMXl8koSBn4RFBRu jsXGrODSFO7ihjvSsR2p8dfs3JFe+zsY474cS8oA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51af8dcf59f1 Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings; There is a lot of gossip around this topic but I also think there is a lot of guilt by association, as well. There are a couple of symptoms that come with plausible explanations. One is that the old rubber bits do not tolerate ethanol and you will find yourself replacing fuel line and rebuilding your fuel pump and carburettors before too long. Another symptom is that ethanol can (will) dissolve the accumulated varnish in the tank which may cause filter clogging. This is particularly an issue on fuel injected engines (such as TR8, SD1). Once the varnish has been etched away the problem goes away. Here in the Midwest we have been using 10% ethanol for about 20 years and both the TR3 and the TR6 suffered fuel pump issues. The diaghram turned rock hard and the pump would not pump. Other than that it was a clean switch-over. It ain't the end of the world. Cheers Dave In a message dated 6/5/2013 10:08:39 AM Central Daylight Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: > I'm simply > curious to know what you guys think and may have discovered in the > unavoidable > use of ethanol in your tanks? AFAIK you've been using it a lot longer than > we > have - and without any problems if the lack of posts on this list are to > be > believed? When I drove "uncle jack" across the States and Canada in 2009 > (18,000 miles in just two months driving) the only issues with fuel were > two > blocked fuel filters and a failed Facet pump in Vancouver. Since then, > I've > not seen anything from Phil Ethier who now owns "uj" about ethanol probs > he > has (or hasn't) had and all this leads me to believe the whole scenario > could > be something of a 'red herring.' ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 13:34:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18904044D for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B1040413 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170116pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MNX0084CPS32NI0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 63.239.65.11 ([63.239.65.11]) by vznit170116 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:21:39 -0500 (CDT) From: ptegler@verizon.net To: flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 15:12:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211B340402 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29C4403D8 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.123.133] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D752A1C0082 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Delis Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:06:57 -0400 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Tenax Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List I seem to remember tenax studs that were long enough to go through the windscreen frame. You would drill out both sides of the frame with a drill press and be able to put a nut on the inside- useful if the threads in the frame have been stripped (like some of mine). I can't find them now anywhere. Does anyone have a link? TIA Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 16:12:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC3E4044D for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6C6403F9 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.97.2]) by p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id km0K1l00i0350ge01m0L9H; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:00:21 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Alexander Delis'" , "'Triumph List'" References: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:00:24 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG6hi8XpE+dkNJ5VLQYfF+b9kIiJplPY17g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tenax Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Roadster factory have some which have a screw going through to the tenax itself. Like you say, a great solution - but be careful you don't crack the windscreen glass when you drill. Andrew UPrichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Delis Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:07 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Tenax List I seem to remember tenax studs that were long enough to go through the windscreen frame. You would drill out both sides of the frame with a drill press and be able to put a nut on the inside- useful if the threads in the frame have been stripped (like some of mine). I can't find them now anywhere. Does anyone have a link? TIA Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 16:45:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E194044B for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD315400A5 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.97.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id kmHt1l0010350ge01mHtjq; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:17:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Triumph List'" References: <000e01ce6238$15f45db0$41dd1910$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:17:57 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG6hi8XpE+dkNJ5VLQYfF+b9kIiJgEN21NHmUb5ZGA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tenax Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net MAN !! I spend my life explaining it is U'prichard, not Up-richard - and then I go signing my name UPrichard. Oh well...... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Alexander Delis'; 'Triumph List' Subject: Re: [TR] Tenax Roadster factory have some which have a screw going through to the tenax itself. Like you say, a great solution - but be careful you don't crack the windscreen glass when you drill. Andrew UPrichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Delis Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:07 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Tenax List I seem to remember tenax studs that were long enough to go through the windscreen frame. You would drill out both sides of the frame with a drill press and be able to put a nut on the inside- useful if the threads in the frame have been stripped (like some of mine). I can't find them now anywhere. Does anyone have a link? TIA Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 03:16:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778E040400 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2118A403E6 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 09:05:22 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.108] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 09:05:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 09:05:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 45085 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2013 09:05:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370509521; bh=T9uvKeNH6TqlVnBC1DEhi++ZRLHKsTT6w0nbmSrjl6U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5E9leGOlA8U3/0Ko7NqLdTmFkYIKaclHsWyYvdtSfUm7JvZhoU3XeQeo0oi6s1QaZ2SRSNMubBahVB1ZocvwKecawTN3PkW5s2MtvOPfQnN/z2Xx38/y8gQUh0RCPH3fia1iAjznJLxb2Yh4IU+eYc0x6FfnA/nda1XnQnEexDs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1OzRr9l4Ut8sDaA3kt6y9W2EWOL0dJ5XUUDkdaBb18m5+mTnmRi+7POs3Csbqnk/zA1dvFQ4vyVgjct7IYl70h9gjyv0pKlsy0a9vRYMQE9ZhUp5zNfpN5p8vLrlm579OnzDdpdUuMeFXtPGsE4+YwnL1w6N6joSwKfVlWvmMH4=; p3oS646Cu1jhokGj_KBaABCWYPtLxHCeBB1MAFVmRxz0wZEtCLgu.nmJMApU O0kKiAN95rMHebVZFKcjjeIbMlEjrHHRV2.9HGm_i1kZfJzXDBsiBMTEa5Xj 6pHgQD1iNcUOZ9mE_o55mZEpPKpgQI3Qvy_605jbhSiFWllblZkOgabu_MAU FPOQmabamH.mdD4MjimlhXXzoG8J33QuC4vlEwG7BEzJUCcT.rdbq0igTde0 h87Nqcu3iLJRZhtooeXy335qBgL0VRp0c0vlzRJ_45_Ma3264PXZBgrw6sDs U01fSH6L3VirDLqlgyj7Edv9BnHNViRuWAr63c.UzY3qp4Vd2UN7AQXxpS7P yr6Npb5UdMyoUQJbkBCgk3.53J1YETPEdeMJQ_kPvAfQdKnSe.73VRn8Ga7A zAsIRMtjJrKa6cwKQLvyvJh9f Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:05:21 BST VGhhbmtzIGZvciB5b3VyIHRob3VnaHRzIGd1eXMsIG9uIGFuZCBvZmYtbGlzdC4gU2VlbXMgdGhlIHByaW1lIGNvbmNlcm4gaXMgcHJlbWF0dXJlIGRlZ3JhZGF0aW9uIG9mIHJ1YmJlciBhbmQgbmVvcHJlbmUgY29tcG9uZW50cyBpbiB0aGUgZnVlbCBzeXN0ZW0uIFdlIGhhZCB0aGF0IGluIHRoZSBVSyBpbiAyMDAwIHdoZW4gdW5sZWFkZWQgYmVjYW1lIG1hbmRhdG9yeS4gU2VlbXMgbW9zdCBvZiB0aGUgVHJpdW1waCBmdWVsIGluamVjdGVkIGNhcnMgaGFkIHRvIHJlbmV3IHRoZWlyIG1ldGVyaW5nIHVuaXQBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:05:21 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for your thoughts guys, on and off-list. Seems the prime concern is premature degradation of rubber and neoprene components in the fuel system. We had that in the UK in 2000 when unleaded became mandatory. Seems most of the Triumph fuel injected cars had to renew their metering units and injectors through minute bits of rubber breaking away. The unleaded fuel attacked the fuel lines that hitherto had lived on leaded and it seems as though ethanol is similarly inclined. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 06:23:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6021740396 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4114006D for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=J84TwdvXANCWFA4uyVhFxA==:17 a=p1-n9rYJMlYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=5DxYoeBKzkaUX67zF2YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J84TwdvXANCWFA4uyVhFxA==:117 Received: from [108.237.6.161] ([108.237.6.161:50229] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 08/EB-22496-F6870B15; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:54:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Alexander Delis'" , "'Triumph List'" References: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 04:54:20 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5iMK9XwXvFDZAHTTuSaGfJx5c6EQAeuEQg Subject: Re: [TR] Tenax Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I seem to remember tenax studs that were long enough to go through the > windscreen frame. You would drill out both sides of the frame with a drill > press and be able to put a nut on the inside- I believe you (and Andrew) are thinking of P/N 553837 from TRF. However, the nut goes on the outside; the inside end is tapered like a flathead screw (so you should cut a tapered hole to match). These were original equipment on the (weaker) aluminum frames. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 06:35:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E3340326 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121BB4032B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=J84TwdvXANCWFA4uyVhFxA==:17 a=p1-n9rYJMlYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Afb7j3eBmXAA:10 a=J2Yc9HTzYhxLxe4ZUIMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J84TwdvXANCWFA4uyVhFxA==:117 Received: from [108.237.6.161] ([108.237.6.161:50246] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 95/96-22496-67A70B15; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:03:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:02:58 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5iIN3NmK9jppBUT0yStiGn9EmJqgAi+lYg Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > One is that the old rubber bits do not > tolerate ethanol and you will find yourself replacing fuel line and > rebuilding your > fuel pump and carburettors before too long. Which also only needs to be done once. I would suggest just doing those things as a pre-emptive strike; rather than waiting for a failure. I thought I had done exactly that with my recently resurrected "barn find" TR3; but discovered a few days ago that I overlooked one soft fuel line ... the line from the filler to the tank. It has turned to mush and now allows fuel to slop out into the boot on hard turns with a nearly full tank. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 06:50:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA674035A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70334009B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=J84TwdvXANCWFA4uyVhFxA==:17 a=p1-n9rYJMlYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Afb7j3eBmXAA:10 a=yQCjS9d46-umf3echx8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J84TwdvXANCWFA4uyVhFxA==:117 Received: from [108.237.6.161] ([108.237.6.161:50397] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EA/9B-07131-0DE70B15; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:21:36 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph List'" References: <1370444900.78247.YahooMailNeo@web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:21:32 -0700 Thread-Index: AQMODxD1puyRwIyC4Lt/ZXLLNI30upan4joggAFdl4A= Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Modern cars utilize closed pressurized fuel systems. Our vintage cars do > not. On hot days (and there are a lot of them in Las Vegas) the fuel will > literally vaporize (evaporate/boil) in the float bowls, FWIW, one of Joe's carb heat shields helped a lot with that problem in my TR3. But I don't think it is the ethanol itself causing the problem, but rather the nation-wide vapor pressure specifications that came with it. Gasoline/petrol is a blend of petro chemicals; and refiners have always adjusted the blend to best suit local conditions. Now they face stiff fines if they don't follow the EPA requirements. Hopefully this will be much less of an issue in the UK (which in any case is remarkably short of desert conditions ) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 07:34:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFEE40323 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E416400A5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id md4so3221039pbc.21 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:08:31 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rupZ6nxk7sT/MWnJnuN//dpqKMBnJWodf5z99EJKEAc=; b=m5mZrgTQ9O9NO7Merr9L0F/+JU7yqoKSv7bHq+RFnbiu7PrkKfkLU5aF34lOUIg/9O l4tHBiEB/80bXSU7SKzWh9Gpxs8ZE5f4piqss6MJ2yjGdQ2218RkB3lyyGU97G7cwC8b x+oFpKnto4iKgYjm8JYfn5lkne59Xhxg3UOuZdJiV5s2bnPduXl5PGHGjNggQZQGjMSN yUtaO1E/ppytHewgVxyXIGhk0E/Cz+LJOLeCN4h553sf7i3U8gS2gFwieePJXD/EuWJg ywW4bB+FfX6IWU23dAEh/5nG9aA5WqVWdjrhpqxYl7D4xEv6wlpVQUFdfJ4hMgn94xqh mLvw== zk5mr38762947pbc.75.1370524111457; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id do4sm72828767pbc.8.2013.06.06.06.08.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:08:29 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Triumph List References: <1370444900.78247.YahooMailNeo@web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/5/13 8:08 AM, John Macartney wrote: > I'm simply > curious to know what you guys think and may have discovered in the unavoidable > use of ethanol in your tanks? Cars: 1961 TR3 & 1960 Land Rover Both had locally sourced rubber fuel lines. After the switchover to ethanol blend petrol both vehicle suffered from the fuel lines disintegrating. It took a months of running on the new fuel before the fuel filters started clogging. By the time all was over I had to replace the fuel lines on both vehicles from the tank to the carbs, clean out carb fuel chambers, clean the screens on the DCOE inlets and the screens on the fuel pumps. Each car went through a couple filters. The old fuel lines looked perfect on the outside but were dissolving on the inside. Once I replaced all the pre-ethanol fuel lines with new formula fuel lines everything has been OK and trouble free. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 07:36:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8D9403D7 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9DC400A5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.100.57]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id l1S41l00H1EHts6011S5bB; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:26:06 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Randall'" , References: <49199BE5A0114B4080BAC0ECDF403134@Meislaptop> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:26:10 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIWrDuhmeZ5WUvP/UkFNCFpdEJbFgMkjE3XmH71aiA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The boot ? boot ? Randall - all this British car talk is having an effect on you. What's next? To-mah-toe ? :-) Andrew -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 8:03 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol > One is that the old rubber bits do not tolerate ethanol and you will > find yourself replacing fuel line and rebuilding your fuel pump and > carburettors before too long. Which also only needs to be done once. I would suggest just doing those things as a pre-emptive strike; rather than waiting for a failure. I thought I had done exactly that with my recently resurrected "barn find" TR3; but discovered a few days ago that I overlooked one soft fuel line ... the line from the filler to the tank. It has turned to mush and now allows fuel to slop out into the boot on hard turns with a nearly full tank. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 07:46:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9801840358 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC08400AD for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-60-196.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.60.196]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.05(7.0.4.27.4) 64bit (built Apr 23 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MNZ00H5G4EZ2C00@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:35:28 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-06_06:2013-06-06,2013-06-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1306060087 From: Darrell Walker Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:35:23 -0700 References: <1370444900.78247.YahooMailNeo@web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <51B089CD.1070903@gmail.com> To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 08:37:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F58640329 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A6C4009B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370529118; bh=R4/HwL3k+pUnew4bPZ6f2JFuaZrpyQutNpGEmwre6BI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=1uJOhh9IQjzWclUIjSAyhi9wmoHCIQizudCSsHXfSQneCI2K1cZRjakx9sfiFMpTyy1HoZbRPHY7a/WLvJExQjcn733vdEHxMD2zUmXfITne1iaX9kz0yboy86UJXK6mMxMswsRV8o9IwXmMHOZlpOg4PWqQFyhpmdw024NWLMQ= fL085enMJ4tZ4o0BQWdHjDUcOGtfIM48tMcEadKQt7ePrHMaWqfH6F3g_B3q sYUUFOm0uzwByCMPyUtvOsffgERunLV1F0qIDPoovfFz1LokAS9tdxAOUE_0 5ZWMLavv1c44TyAQii3S0h1RwRnFGgalNh8r5IP5M.mAMqMyqxIk9KY3.J2Q q1U4BRPSHHXKRQRoIj7icxq.xuntV2t_JuWrx_rdC1qzydlsIhR2tIbHqhvE XI6sC4soqL6FUZg45lk9EyKAVM.l_Ux4uv_U2wv2z3kHbYKSTUVny1kVrrrM rXpVNMsJ154kA2JXSFI1kmP6RFlosqz3ydN8m8K4wDx1J6Pm4d341e3dFE0f QIQS8.B0qYWXsn924HRj45UqoFIei.OvPoy9iSoE11O1TrPqleXOAfiooUHn 6pxGCBe4TOO8ke5uRvCRsGxiv.nlw9Gz0c9tX.F5XRkW9B5tm8g0qKDrA_9B 6nkI6B4pupTR6.QQRiByLRL_T3tpOUm0KMVogTrpGy66S3xGCRWtUtvj.hsn U3k9sqD9DO.mgQCSg4A8DIIWVnssuHn8ufQ-- smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jun 2013 07:31:58 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Triumph Mail List'" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:31:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5iwegBPNvA+HsfTDGRZEsS+LMe8g== Subject: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This story starts with a trip to the dentist, doesn't every TR story start that way? For several years I have had a cheap set, Harbor Freight 6/$3.99 dental picks in my box that have proved very handy for small things, especially rebuilding SU carbs and electrical components. So on a recent visit for a checkup I inquired of the young lady what they did with their old tools. She responded that they re-sharpen them if they can, then they are discarded. I asked if they had any old ones around and if I might have a couple(this is where I pull out a picture of the very cute TR3 "Tarbaby"). Behold, when she gives my little bag with a new brush and floss there are a dozen used dental tools in it of all different sizes and thicknesses. I also keep a syringe(we have a goat that needs monthly shots) and one of those bulbs that they use to clean out newborn baby's noses in my toolbox. Very handy for sucking the last bit of fluid from the brake res, gas from the float bowl and adding just a little oil to the SU chamber tops. Would like to hear from the list what 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. Open discussion, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 12:31:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B72A403A5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8E40042 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c7f8f.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.127.143]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MNZ008D8HUDEF50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:25:24 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5i4zXWLwD67gzvRLGukTpjv1kwFg== Subject: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net wbeech@flash.net wrote: >Would like to hear from the list what 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. >Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. I've found that the removable top from an old Bic pen makes a dandy fuel line stopper. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 12:55:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710054039F for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-01-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B1B40358 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.117]) by p3plwbeout06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id l6qq1l0032Y8iQZ016qqCc; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:50:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 9522 invoked by uid 99); 6 Jun 2013 18:50:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:50:50 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI 24605 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net From: dave@ranteer.com Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net btw how does one find a snap on tool truck? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' wbeech@flash.net wrote:

>Would like to hear from the list what 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your
shop that have proved handy over the years. >Things you don't find on the
Snap-On truck.

** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 13:12:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D064003F for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7D74035A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kz7F1l0030QuhwU5974Q0J; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:04:24 +0000 Received: from CraigHP ([76.100.209.245]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l74Q1l0055JDEd03N74QUm; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:04:24 +0000 From: "Craig Wensley" To: References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:04:25 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIupkskedRPUQ9EH372zBKtmR9B6JhohFeA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1370545464; bh=W5YeEgv1brpl83V8gbVhuGRhZ9lSBT2wLB8nLDGW+Y4=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=fM2gPPx4mNZ3u7dqgzASQbZLR+IqQ36t2GtgoPwGUt521fZlE2cWa68J4ptZEp1ol bczgV6W/YRUmRnwd2dOMIGa8TImLkzGdWyIrgrlgAlGXTD927hiOnWCcGgjJ0Gokca /+0yzpfx/0JkP1L71K8j0pZo24ri2r25aXFyKolyPX2aQ0S4eUNn4iQzzxt6lOzW6h Jq8NE5GbYqTKLrW69WsYDb8+QEcqM03DGT2n86+Ft3gxwNBemVwwsKlT/3ykhwtjtu M2R0P0Hv9UMt6aHkDFxqwwShcGyvAnI2npZ9UWxk36LcUwu9dGUn1tgEVGEbk341lD c2bjfPHt6drgw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can always find the snap truck when you don't have money -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave@ranteer.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:51 PM Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' btw how does one find a snap on tool truck? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' wbeech@flash.net wrote:

>Would like to hear from the list what 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your
shop that have proved handy over the years. >Things you don't find on the
Snap-On truck.

** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wensley_tr@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 14:27:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EB240397 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE18B40382 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x10so3830560pdj.29 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:15:32 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y9KHo5XIfqRK0/7ee2w0bOOgctzsa39GpCd/jxoKydc=; b=Pko1pM2Y3CEdLka9A38/kq5/jHuZF0Y87+QlIyflgMN7zJQ0t65qnB/1fVLLO/r6Gw Z602oqiDDcV3uaOIX/5vxIrDpygDfB7dCkM0VKeDCoGx3PdK9kuoN8ig0hB6J4T3iVZe xDa9ADB/Wk25DyxlLfdwZT7OIbA59cfvLXUplACDK6mw7H1edK8PQWsBzrkmGInLe1+o WKKBjhE8XSrj6SjFGOwNWsVJmqWmvbScZZtPV1Pn9FTyXNkRy3hzJIUbac7GIMD5sEbh CWoHjxqKidJ/3IsXhvCmAq0HsHaCzjJX7bTzF/pHZGyS2lVU7qkOcso4tw4gNqtoR3E8 oAgw== p1mr40580719pbe.218.1370549732192; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ya4sm74141190pbb.24.2013.06.06.13.15.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:15:30 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net, the Land Rover Owner Mailing List References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/6/13 11:50 AM, dave@ranteer.com wrote: > btw how does one find a snap on tool truck? > > I find them at random intervals sitting in front any kind of automotive shop. There is one who services my town so when I needed an 8 point socket I just drove around town until I found the shop he was at. Flagstaff is small enough that you can do that sort of searching. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 15:13:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71181403D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5E740382 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ey16so760870wid.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:01:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IHDuchkR91uCVs8CqsndKhq8VLjWa7vGiZRbebDrV4k=; b=dNN9KRFNZWXdH6mcEIOhdLQP89fbsVwD5eDGIBvIpg2y6Gtq2ykzz9KWjSmBbK7ZxA MVm9dQceSw6FCY/nBtW1+r7URW/TtYa3DzDekSvmtRxDvuFVO9X7OidYrYajTclbilAu 4eJV5sm4AqMrU+h/G+D3VNbZrkOiVmbD3hJuAko/i2jV5IlVxvA+PTCOQZIa/xcYBJjA VHW2h+gPJUPdQBy3GAG2hijjpUYKAItcoqT3MkqsZr4M0dxAMbJUcSGWAZpILm9uBHOn E2ir0faMa/FjB1GwV1OaUmsTDuiqYDEK6r7YdB3867LEAvROt/qj1G/bUozQhqwOAslA 5MMw== li8mr10988166wic.15.1370552512213; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:01:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:01:52 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Talk to one of the shops in your area -- they'll be on the local franchisee's route and can tell you when he comes by. Alternatively, SO has a nice website, too, where you can order anything. On 6/6/13, dave@ranteer.com wrote: > btw how does one find a snap on tool truck? > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' > > > wbeech@flash.net wrote:

>Would like to hear from the list what > 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your
shop that have proved handy over the > years. >Things you don't find on the
Snap-On truck.

> > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 16:31:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786CF403DA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1EB4038C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-10578.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.57.85]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukibv-0008Uz-QO for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:24:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:24:47 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 hood support rod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Just puzzling about the hood support rod. Can someone let me know how it is fastened to the front lip of the hood? Just acquired one and no hardware - have two small screw/ bolt holes flanking a square hole on the front lip. I'm assuming that the fastening uses a couple of narrow clips and sheet metal screws - or do they use a machine screw in a specialized 'clip'?? Would be great to have a hood support rod; using a custom cut hockey stick shaft now. Thanks in advance. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 17:21:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7018E403E0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C4540397 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.100.57]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lBG51l0061EHts601BG5Dx; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:16:10 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <51B10C2F.3080608@execulink.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:16:12 -0400 Thread-Index: AQH0bEcbtWMe+epubz9xAT9oQzyKZ5jdPqXg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 hood support rod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo: the hood / bonnet should have two small threaded studs protruding just to the side of front center. Attaching the rod is a simple case of two nuts on these studs. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:25 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 hood support rod Hello List: Just puzzling about the hood support rod. Can someone let me know how it is fastened to the front lip of the hood? Just acquired one and no hardware - have two small screw/ bolt holes flanking a square hole on the front lip. I'm assuming that the fastening uses a couple of narrow clips and sheet metal screws - or do they use a machine screw in a specialized 'clip'?? Would be great to have a hood support rod; using a custom cut hockey stick shaft now. Thanks in advance. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 18:08:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE47F403E0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA69403A7 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AEC7470064088 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.129]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 69A09E000081 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> To: Triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 69.195.60.27 by webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:03:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370563401; bh=2OWszIPUh325reWV6V5Q7ctiHAbf0Sscv7ko3YqxzXE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OBn+DyycEec+Qg2emTFJXR8aFtWFALWGHuHm/sonne22Fkoc7UDl77ccRVr8prDOy TbjQNSk+nTfb0gTxtprdeGTmZpRW/gL4KNHLP0VegyrSX6N0qBNQP6KdthHQPQ0p2g B/jKsl9Ea3YYdFb28HzSvH9DDN/G5uyl9CFhO4Bc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51b123496854 Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've not yet taken advantage of this (since I've already amassed a pretty good set of Craftsman tools over the last 40+ years), but one of the members of my local Triumph club is a Snap-On rep. ;) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us On 6/6/13, dave@ranteer.com wrote: > btw how does one find a snap on tool truck?>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 18:10:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D26403DA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8B9403A7 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-60-196.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.60.196]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MNZ002IDXLEZZ10@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:05:44 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-06_10:2013-06-06,2013-06-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1306060243 From: Darrell Walker Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:05:38 -0700 References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <8D031298E599694-223C-DD47@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've heard the dishwasher is good for cleaning parts, but I have no first hand knowledge :-) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 19:04:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8DC403D8 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A6D403A5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:01:09 -0600 (MDT) a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:17 a=9gr_CBU1jdwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=pYig7kAgXVkA:10 a=AvC4QfEbIVoQerM67jAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6OaxCrWXbzt-Ie7r:21 a=S0-S14BxfuTuta07:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=w97VUklx9q8MLoDm-FQA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=1DyNegTp+n7S7HFTMCTklA==:117 Received: from [72.226.35.89] ([72.226.35.89:50661] helo=PeterPC) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C6/68-22496-CBF21B15; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:56:28 +0000 From: "Peter" To: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:56:13 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5jGc7gMTLXwg1jRNezhkmo5y6FMg== Subject: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I've used coat hanger wire to make several tools. One is about a foot long with a 1/4" 90 deg. bend at one end. It's used to hold down the lifters when pulling out the push rods. Another is a miniature dipstick to measure the oil level in TR4-TR6 gearboxes. You make an 80 deg. bend about an inch long, then come back from the bend an inch or so and form a finger loop in the same plane. The finger loop should be larger than the filler hole. Guess why. You poke the bend in thru the filler hole and level the wire on the lower side, which is the correct fluid level. If the fluid is up to the bend, you're good, but you can also see if it is low. Cheers, Pete Fullam ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 21:04:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201F0403DA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D7403D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3CBA1916 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:29:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <001801ce6319$cf212070$6d636150$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One of my favorite non-tool tools is in truth a tool. It is a brightly colored toy plastic hammer. It weighs maybe 2 or 3 ounces. There are times when you want to really wail on something, like a fitting in a carb, without actually hitting it very hard. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 21:51:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3714B40408 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ewout03.consolidated.net (ewout03.consolidated.net [206.123.242.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3964403B9 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.108] ([72.251.169.90]) by ewout03.consolidated.net ({7f4c37df-33fe-4041-bc97-39fcf9138839}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPSA id 20130607032819198 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Fri, 07 Jun 2013 03:28:19 +0000 References: <001801ce6319$cf212070$6d636150$@rr.com> <51B1459F.90806@bradakis.com> From: Home Consolidated Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:27:59 -0500 To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Turkey baster,. Same idea as the baby bulb, but more capacity. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > One of my favorite non-tool tools is in truth a tool. It is a brightly colored toy plastic hammer. > It weighs maybe 2 or 3 ounces. There are times when you want to really wail on something, > like a fitting in a carb, without actually hitting it very hard. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs@consolidated.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 03:27:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493D5403F9 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 03:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C41403D5 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 03:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail206-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.231) by CH1EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.43.70.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:59:26 +0000 Received: from mail206-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail206-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B9C1E022C; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:59:26 +0000 (UTC) H:CH1PRD0210HT002.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail206-ch1: domain of uga.edu designates 157.56.245.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.69; envelope-from=mathews@uga.edu; helo=CH1PRD0210HT002.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail206-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail206-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1370595564370223_18760; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (snatpool3.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.228]) by mail206-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE1F340088; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0210HT002.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.69) by CH1EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.43.70.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:59:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (50.96.159.18) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.149.165) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.324.0; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:59:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 04:59:23 -0400 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Darrell Walker References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <8D031298E599694-223C-DD47@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> <2B73A534-E783-45B9-B599-814C0C5D6B7B@mac.com> Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the late 70's I decided to wash my TR3 oil pan on the dish washer while my wife was away. I put it in added ammonia to cut the crease and went to watch TV. After a while I smelled ammonia and went back to the kitchen. The danged ammonia had suds-ed up, overflowed the dish washer and was covering about a 3rd of the floor. It was a hardwood floor and after I mopped it up and it dried, I saw it had removed the wax finish. Needless to say when the wife got home, there were some "dismay" and I got that look that only and agitated wife can give you. So I ended up having to refinish the floor, clean the grease scum out of the dishwasher. AS an ending note, the oil pan looked good and so did the floor after I put dawn paste wax and buffed it. Never tried that technique again and wrote off the dishwasher as a car parts washer. Doug On 6/6/2013 8:05 PM, Darrell Walker wrote: > I've heard the dishwasher is good for cleaning parts, but I have no first hand > knowledge:-) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 06:41:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D3E4040D for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 06:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778C140382 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 06:37:59 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XS2Ii6/yir7pSpEFwUN2DgFNYpv0dCoR2BBMPB1pXc++HB4ZrleeR5KrYg68g8IL; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.0.249.234] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukvr0-0002XD-EX for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:33:14 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" References: <001801ce6319$cf212070$6d636150$@rr.com><51B1459F.90806@bradakis.com> <116EC72F-AC5B-4FE6-8F7C-70A1FEC42B21@consolidated.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 06:33:16 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 4' length of 3" oil field steel pipe that I found on the side of the road about 20 years ago. It has a very thick wall which makes it perfect for drilling/tapping for bolts to hold things. It substitutes for a slide hammer, gear puller, pry bar, and handle extension when serious leverage is needed. Cheers, Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Home Consolidated Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:27 PM To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Non tool tools Turkey baster,. Same idea as the baby bulb, but more capacity. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > One of my favorite non-tool tools is in truth a tool. It is a brightly colored toy plastic hammer. > It weighs maybe 2 or 3 ounces. There are times when you want to really > wail on something, > like a fitting in a carb, without actually hitting it very hard. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs@consolidated.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 06:58:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2204D4041F for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 06:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD37403FC for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 06:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130607125331.SGGC6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11>; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:53:31 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id lQtX1l00M3enFnk05QtXjc; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:53:31 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=ZyA8SA64CK8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=aYnEkm28ZdgA:10 a=ar39De9WAAAA:8 a=zUfupTM5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7UIbkKAeGZNcCaa1WeUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T8dgJqO1V8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: , "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <0BDA4D5B54894734ACEE68B4A675A250@bboffice> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:53:31 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGCamExSbNBDrvbmqB99vBny20lNpnCJE/g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have always collected "caplugs" that are often installed on the ends of new hydraulic hoses, tank openings or any other area that the manufacturer wants to protect. These are handy for plugging fuel lines, hoses, radiator outlets, etc., etc. They keep dirt out of a sensitive opening and can keep fluid from leaking. Unfortunately, I have never seen a basic assortment of these for sale - I just keep collecting the things as they show up. Unfortunately, I have never had enough nerve or time to buy packages of a thousand of each common size and become a retailer. http://www.caplugs.com/ Alex Thomson Would like to hear from the list what 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. Open discussion, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 08:14:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7728D4041F for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25993403E2 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:13:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gf11so768633vcb.25 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IX/HSCoZEYubjoPJKFLsf45dH4ow7ft+tBVfKG7PMgs=; b=C9I4rRYURNBjfHu4poZBDfxBhltXddzC9M70P5CZzhLePsCz8naqrNhg4XtYPcDqBn RgsnSMfV/9hPszWQ9Q69fPuPttaB+tAvr0vM4abY8/vOD7dIlEXNoGJpmikSfyZxJpEK /LY8+7ZJOZhHpZes0LqiB69LoRbz4vUApgyiHV8sAOyTKaMgsMKfgzkK72057MXIYEe7 AX7hfMCNIC8mVJ6AbC2EKlSepY6adinQ3vITdj7KnumevbSzKjFVuuQYiIQQ6AQ9nCHW glRNB8+21MGTCU7MEIMf0T8/RGeDVFJP/4I5srwAc6KhcDhKbrbsQnf87W2g/PufNGov JosA== Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <001801ce6319$cf212070$6d636150$@rr.com> <51B1459F.90806@bradakis.com> <116EC72F-AC5B-4FE6-8F7C-70A1FEC42B21@consolidated.net> <7A6A0DEFD55342F9894B654D9C99DD3A@Shemp> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 07:09:08 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My arthritic hands have trouble gripping a big spin-on oil filter to get it tight enough but using one of those rubber-disc jar openers makes it much easier. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 10:11:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896B742874 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8558640691 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c7f8f.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.127.143]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MO1001HK3M8PB80@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:13:20 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac5jkYuuYuSAyG9sRwufnSPL3YFxZw== Subject: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "Peter" wrote: >I've used coat hanger wire to make several tools. Here's another use for coat hangers - they can be used in place of the pins that hold the door handles on a TR6. Crimp the wire about 1" from the end, stick it is the hole in the winder between the handle and the door panel and snap it off. Much easier than trying to hold back the panel while holding the pin in a pair of forceps and trying to get it to drop in. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 11:07:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABA9428EC for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6858E427E6 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15563 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2013 15:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2013 15:36:39 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=62030 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UkyiV-00081J-Lx for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:36:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 10:36:37 -0500 To: Triumphs From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: <001801ce6319$cf212070$6d636150$@rr.com> <51B1459F.90806@bradakis.com> <116EC72F-AC5B-4FE6-8F7C-70A1FEC42B21@consolidated.net> <7A6A0DEFD55342F9894B654D9C99DD3A@Shemp> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Non tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A buddy gave me a gardening kneepad (a section of foam rubber about 6" by about 18" with a hole in one end for a handgrip). I use it all the time to save my knees. Also have a pit mat for laying under the car - provides some padding and keeps my back from getting as grungy - that's kind of an actual tool, though. Also, +1 on the turkey baster - stays in the van for the race track tools. Tony ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 14:30:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEE54051D for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51C34003E for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 13so1364811lba.30 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JfKuhZr7X1538Jz6mS2kwRzE/rVmwLSBaxRdQUBC2DU=; b=rrLJi/Ha9b6AxmmiCCEy0Dfc2r9E1BsmvzOJBdAtB+Kd5QflcgVS53UAcWncSuwX1h sTgBpfjMqE0U+B7sVX2SMSH+ENzJ559i3ehP+FQj/wjPL5G6AnQxW9gL1fhG+fYtTgcp biFxgzuu4bolk9RZ2VkOLiegsZ0FFuo9T4arcT7BIVoI0iBY1LPnbMFHkLinjRidm78r hUnyaRKUQx0tFvf0itYz5hgAnd32SFivPIRMtDqBd4Uyvl9Nt9HHLaHeUKbyZp6aGTBI jSNlesrnhxk+XEV5VaSnsYYqPXLkFe0yLSq0HS/goZYbBWwavNYw3BIIXzqWKuuXdQ83 Z2vw== Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <8D031298E599694-223C-DD47@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> <2B73A534-E783-45B9-B599-814C0C5D6B7B@mac.com> <51B1A0EB.5080001@uga.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 15:15:32 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: mathews@uga.edu Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The dishwasher does work well as a final cleanse. Kelly must be out for the day! She'd kill me. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 16:03:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4914043A for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BBA403D9 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lXzX1l0081HpZEsA3YcBBi; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:36:11 +0000 Received: from RickPC ([24.22.169.14]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lYcA1l0090Jyir48aYcAM4; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:36:10 +0000 From: "Rick" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:36:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5jvqe88beCM4LoRQqi7sJLnwtlAA== s=q20121106; t=1370637371; bh=D73t/HJhBfUpxfQBhGXGxY52q+jqDqSlXf9tWsVVWio=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dudIy1V3yrIHzy122FpxJ/nmNAYVJzbSp3cvrkIg/ZQaVbE5EUivbkuWPxBXsPAOZ qftL1DymEbUTr9uSmLD2XPn7fJy+xCgu9CE7hONESY8Anz49L6rIJcf36Jc9GG2TgH JE60xAid7dOHjW6yYt0cNBXE/YNTp+oBcIR4bwLlUf83CEYWO0RhVcs8WLGsRZ68Nq UWk28lmmgo+LJ3oYfpdgrF3Nguk5hJDvJqzq8ycwYsOzNs9ojLvqIbBvjnqv8DTP5Z NlsWBfDlSEgbssGyCl6z9fUd4RgQNFYV08FZ+iim4uw4wSUgDBpAp8PXH/+L0R2TVV t/MP5UK8I06AQ== Subject: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been looking at the replacement Hi-Torq starter (Moss and others) for my post-TS50000 TR3A. Is this a straightforward plug-and-play replacement part, or is some modification involved? Any satisfied listers out there who have installed this part? Rick in Seattle 1960 TR3A 1970 BSA Victor Special 1973 Norton 750 Commando Combat 1975 Norton 850 Commando Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 17:33:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEAA4042C for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4837640405 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 17so12276270iea.3 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:44:00 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sTYHdZjM2o42jrkF/bF0iIYCGF6MV1gD7EE4zvt9oBg=; b=h0N86AnZsr+EspETPGWHZuhjH0I09pZuRORkt0OsLlG5s1AI8zFQHtC6jlqMK7GPH1 Jc5sj+KE6a+7s94IdtI+IowLrMMND8OCqZGcq7QC24UiC0DKs52qotJ24Q0GUVs13tBV lBVbvkmiIlMNEI8RubIQysbiXQaK29pSWI9WzsvGKTHnLI6w2Yo/q7TpzdrqGAam9JjV gLDOvO8wSfQvGucVsf+0awAKUqFkhoIiK8Ay66Gam6rn8DwbnBJOOCVuvGWTudCqnfCj LSpDebEBr3Stt3rxMrXfuwvGixljt8K3p6/Ug7EfisjqEN5sD+mkOu9V1E5OrIpFJGWe BQhA== Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm1119353igv.4.2013.06.07.15.43.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:43:56 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <8D031298E599694-223C-DD47@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> <2B73A534-E783-45B9-B599-814C0C5D6B7B@mac.com> <51B1A0EB.5080001@uga.edu> Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/7/13 12:15 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > The dishwasher does work well as a final cleanse. Kelly must be out for > the day! She'd kill me. > > Move the dishwasher into the garage and buy a new one for the kitchen. It is my dishwasher and my cars and I don't do it. Geeeezzzz TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 19:31:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7177B4042C for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2D540402 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 18:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id c10so3743966ieb.10 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:42:14 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=3MKKF6urLqR7fCUvK68hfSXxpQt+6LVJF38GxOPQnlM=; b=BQS10CZgnKbnx/5TIE3mSTSd+TGdn4rRdEzORv7CLUg92WE1GrmiV4QRrgtM8GGoAh n7qcbMLcHmcqhMngJ5BL4YOk+YuTGAihJZptpN477+cUzlg/HHCUxk6LwQ+GbGtqyr3z nefDWZCbM43EeiIZMyqJTvdohBvfC4Li7jSXrszYfO66/OLD2ZyTEQvP+0WBKzwcbwDe 7BOb6tj3KrP1CO3XJWqApjpAqtaRhc6zrC6NJMZQ3rlQnZ8T4H5omZWKNauYWRKyuKp/ 9MJAYqkWsvy7LbMkhCtkdovvcDzsnMZTysiSKbgsS/73hIiPr779Yy3dWegYgStAdWUN cCGw== Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nt6sm448319igb.10.2013.06.07.17.42.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:42:21 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5j4OMAyIXU8NX8Q2Kx2gw+rW6R1A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Seelastik Equivalent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What does everybody use for an alternative to Seelastik for water sealing various parts per TR4 factory workshop manual. I am ready to seal! Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 20:01:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F360B4042C for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CDE40046 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lcpJ1l0061HpZEsAAcyohz; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:58:48 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lcyn1l0010GAcNo8acynA1; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:58:47 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Rick'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <06730D57858341DDB165165D60288CEA@RickPC> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:58:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5jvqe88beCM4LoRQqi7sJLnwtlAAAImUfA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1370653128; bh=makoFDDiV8x1fYXJ0BrMITWicOJLZlh81NzcDncBzs8=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r4xX/KZklXV0FfH8zudinZUg/k6SZlhQgUzw/q7YyqW6scuGkzXngGCfqnyk1qRi5 hQW5Bye+ii4Bxz+WzjiLaGLiUcUZ3Gi9tD8FD9uA3LH+KX6DDuiHqcteIz/vig9FNd 5yGoBTWvzIEoE+9OXCSZ1AKBmvQGsdyWNRzodQEcQjTeTWnYvQfQk4kHRBCUusGmHZ Z1q5s6Rz1i18t5QusuLqrUwCbVTcc2zzP1nZV4Brkhnkc0xT4sBKDq28ZISSIhOyzy 5+ZeaYVqiutzaBgmteLCZx7sB1aoymmC0jFm8QkjOYO6IWM8VGxkdhDf/nyNjNNbpv 0TmgKiYg/Mh4A== Subject: Re: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I thought the cut over was TS60000? You do not want to put the wrong one in. I have TS57201L and it had the earlier bullet nose. I replaced it with the new hi-torq. Physically the installation is no harder than the original starter, maybe even easier as it is smaller. Electrically is easy also unless you use Randall's wring scenario and forget that you have the lead for your auxiliary fan coming off the power terminal you just bypassed. The only downside is that when you start the engine, it just doesn't sound as good. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 1:36 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A I've been looking at the replacement Hi-Torq starter (Moss and others) for my post-TS50000 TR3A. Is this a straightforward plug-and-play replacement part, or is some modification involved? Any satisfied listers out there who have installed this part? Rick in Seattle 1960 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 20:33:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA6140454 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A03E40404 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail69-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.235) by CO1EHSOBE022.bigfish.com (10.243.66.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:38:10 +0000 Received: from mail69-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail69-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8EECC018B; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:38:10 +0000 (UTC) H:BLUPRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail69-co1: domain of uga.edu designates 157.56.232.37 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.232.37; envelope-from=mathews@uga.edu; helo=BLUPRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail69-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail69-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 13706554899780_30574; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.254]) by mail69-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B44C0055; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLUPRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (157.56.232.37) by CO1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (10.243.66.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:38:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (50.96.159.18) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.122.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.324.0; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:38:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:38:06 -0400 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" References: <20130606115050.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.7cc828210c.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <8D031298E599694-223C-DD47@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> <2B73A534-E783-45B9-B599-814C0C5D6B7B@mac.com> <51B1A0EB.5080001@uga.edu> <51B2622C.1010100@gmail.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Household TR 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just think of the dishwasher as another box to think outside of!;-) On 6/7/2013 6:43 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > It is my dishwasher and my cars and I don't do it. Geeeezzzz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 20:35:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EC7426B9 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A868740404 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130608013905.NXAU25893.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:39:05 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id ldf41l00T4qRjhw01df4Q2; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:39:04 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=EKlzIT1N_tMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3BOqK6pAxz3MTJeX1pgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <008401ce63e1$0aa8a920$1ff9fb60$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 18:39:25 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5j4OMAyIXU8NX8Q2Kx2gw+rW6R1AAB/OUw Subject: Re: [TR] Seelastik Equivalent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If that is the same thing that is used to seal body panels, I have used 3M body panel sealer and find that it works quite well. It is sold in tubes that go in a standard caulking gun. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 5:42 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Seelastik Equivalent What does everybody use for an alternative to Seelastik for water sealing various parts per TR4 factory workshop manual. I am ready to seal! Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 20:36:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB28F4273E for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0732340326 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:47:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170176pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MO1005X5WRF7W01@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:42:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170176 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:42:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:42:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: chandler.rick@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my case it was a straightforward replacement. I can't remember where I got it - I think TSI. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 06/07/13, Rick wrote: I've been looking at the replacement Hi-Torq starter (Moss and others) for my post-TS50000 TR3A. Is this a straightforward plug-and-play replacement part, or is some modification involved? Any satisfied listers out there who have installed this part? Rick in Seattle 1960 TR3A 1970 BSA Victor Special 1973 Norton 750 Commando Combat 1975 Norton 850 Commando Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 21:43:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856A04042C for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF7140078 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id lf4C1l00553lu5001f4Dws; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:04:14 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <28029615.1202163.1370655771397.JavaMail.root@vznit170176> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:03:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net highly recommend tsi -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:42 PM To: chandler.rick@comcast.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A In my case it was a straightforward replacement. I can't remember where I got it - I think TSI. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 06/07/13, Rick wrote: I've been looking at the replacement Hi-Torq starter (Moss and others) for my post-TS50000 TR3A. Is this a straightforward plug-and-play replacement part, or is some modification involved? Any satisfied listers out there who have installed this part? Rick in Seattle ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 22:56:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D3340441 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FF740437 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [72.95.47.121]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO20043K4B5Q770@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 23:25:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Note" To: "TR List" Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:25:47 -0400 Subject: [TR] Non-tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net An UNUSED Fleet enema bottle, about 6 oz., with narrow nozzle and atractive orange cap. Ideal for adding damper oil to the carbs. Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 01:21:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E958240437 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EFD40326 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=11eptTPbCWRYqQBvpiaJjw==:17 a=nLQhyh6lb2EA:10 a=fYdntINWKbgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=RSkKQ7lKsFkA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=dGJ_qLFmdgAohqoo4joA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=11eptTPbCWRYqQBvpiaJjw==:117 Received: from [71.0.13.130] ([71.0.13.130:27178] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 56/D3-07131-24AD2B15; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:16:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <06730D57858341DDB165165D60288CEA@RickPC> <001d01ce63e3$55ffb330$01ff1990$@net> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 00:16:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5jvqe88beCM4LoRQqi7sJLnwtlAAAImUfAAAS+V+A= Subject: Re: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I thought the cut over was TS60000? Should have been TS50000 for the starter and flywheel (but the extensive body changes were at TS60000). But obviously many cars are no longer wearing their original equipment by now, so you should probably check what you have before ordering. A friend of mine had an early TR3 that somehow had gotten a later flywheel by the time it came to him (in pieces). The gear-drive replacement for the early starter worked a dozen times or so; before it wouldn't turn the engine any more. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 01:25:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A41440532 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com (mail-pb0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9885040042 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id rr13so2857960pbb.20 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:20:51 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=0XEGiDklo1nrhcqWos2p4PQFoQWiyq0hvH8gsxKwZGI=; b=kXRwRWSEYfeXR2o+HaisIHA8L+37ItGJTJCfUZjAfrPxgLCM2ppZ4KzfB2Zd6IYl81 0V8zew8s0xzX+uw1natjTCWrEbvj6d+EGISVVjsWXhPywgUEmdiOrrW1rHr1G+/fnJ7G rHA5G6bwCmG5l/+jBjB4ZFOiO4TylTW2it1KHr3TwM56BYISkMw+2VIS+OgoyoCEOq+M HdWEcIlabCUZS11ew714axLxabxF8yoviydI9F9JsEEUi2ai7awALjoPAGlPCfilp3cW /4koKOZ1ApUtufjRLtPuLddUYDtfiOrJyIVbl2sBlQVKE/mxjZO2Zz2SKaRz11hZ83zY fPiw== by4mr2013987pbc.53.1370676051616; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.217.202 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 00:20:51 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:20:51 +0100 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: Tom Note Cc: TR List Subject: Re: [TR] Non-tool tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been reading this thread with much interest. It is amazing what you guys come up with. One of my most useful non TR tool is a simple offcut I picked up years ago. It is a piece of 1x1/4 thick wall hollow tube about a foot long which easy slips over a spanner (wrench) to help loosen those stubborn 50 year old nuts. It has other uses too it is far better to throw across the workskop in a tantrum when something goes wrong than a very expensive Snap On spanner (wrench)! Adrian 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK. On 8 June 2013 05:25, Tom Note wrote: > An UNUSED Fleet enema bottle, about 6 oz., with narrow nozzle and > atractive orange cap. Ideal for adding damper oil to the carbs. > > Tom > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@**virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 01:37:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C39240431 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF0640427 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 01:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=11eptTPbCWRYqQBvpiaJjw==:17 a=nLQhyh6lb2EA:10 a=fYdntINWKbgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=RSkKQ7lKsFkA:10 a=_LexEX5jkwXmtjiWlswA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=11eptTPbCWRYqQBvpiaJjw==:117 Received: from [71.0.13.130] ([71.0.13.130:27187] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 37/8E-25428-91ED2B15; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:32:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Rick'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <06730D57858341DDB165165D60288CEA@RickPC> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 00:32:37 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5jvqe88beCM4LoRQqi7sJLnwtlAAAWYCXQ Subject: Re: [TR] Replacement starter for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I've been looking at the replacement Hi-Torq starter (Moss and others) for > my post-TS50000 TR3A. Is this a straightforward plug-and-play replacement > part, or is some modification involved? Any satisfied listers out there > who > have installed this part? I've been running the later style starter since 2001 (even though both cars have been pre-TS50k), been quite happy with it. Lately I've been starting to suspect it needs attention, as the engine doesn't spin quite as fast as it used to, but I haven't actually had it out to look yet. Even with the gear drive, I suppose that brushes and bushings can still wear out over time. The starter can be a direct bolt-on; but I chose to make two modifications: I added a Helicoil to the transmission flange so I never have to fight with that dang upper nut again; and I changed the wiring so the original solenoid (which had lost part of its smoke before making the change) only switches current to the new solenoid (on the starter). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 05:44:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D2840534 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 05:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24874051B for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 05:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ln2n1l0041GhbT851neEoJ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:38:14 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lneE1l0072xV5no3TneEQV; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:38:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:38:14 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1370691494; bh=dZSExRLpv6FfaT0FDnFbV7r/D6OHvxSAYLsdIcIbIQc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BrLYRHWVv1qOAgsWEDjMs4yZLJwnXeLuJvHru/B2s/NHBZRmdrIUkma4ewqrY5VcY +pU+C8TZj7/TozXoEav5wytlE/X3AuQYUTSDDXYSOv4wlsFsqv8mkyZHJyf55Mk1QP SsoT9+n7Hdmwp7mfqHrthVpvdUeaFj0vFnFO2MUUpuyxm4XCpK39alIHmXlsP1tyOh t3qsc1wh0URJZnkVV+zjEVIT6Iu9ro1DCgdGnbH3N+EMS76qM0nsGLgNBfrfPzgHKp ygalA5VIzq8wEnueBFhBUzoe4D2sh8b3xjfEnNMttLulxt5g/3VjsMr/Uj4urbwEKp +UxfnORAjLbOQ== Subject: [TR] Heater Blower Motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the person needing the TR6 heater motor is still in need, please contact me off list. B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 08:34:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45FF40535 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195724040C for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lqNC1l0020x6nqcA8qVUVn; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:29:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lqVT1l00g3NmwNy8YqVU4f; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:29:28 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:29:27 -0700 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1370701768; bh=tfxf/LvVcPUkzFFljFaIq2AQqQ6MInjy9opYqHdQXGY=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=aC2uB1W6VDO9lA7JBpRJED+q2T2nU6oqht9DQJTFisIEd32B7fmerIFhYHg51Fd7I L3F2n5+zl6hQvb6RjrV9EcSEozbqwQxxfOyAJzvSRJ9GcHzukUeSxYZYQG7BMgTeho FvuhG4sAnix4U/Wi1fexTmhaJFqJXd75OoboEzhWrKWEaHA35GtPzyEfRZ2LFp8YVE O2w4JDNZpgHNjET7YtP9tlTZLPnh3URMh2Bmq/oNoouajUlKgaloC3R1RdgPyuzO7u I+THiIXy70XUa5J/NzcstyaNs42sosmMwDu75K6abcBF8MavC5ZbkF4izDGR/3On+r hKmYAKolbpkcg== Subject: [TR] Pivot Pin removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for insight into how to remove the brake pedal pivot pin from the brake master cylinder. Old and rusted, but it just won't budge. Is there any chance it might be reversed screw threads? I have tried it both ways, but can't get it to budge. Thanks for your time "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 09:07:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFCC4040C for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FBC4040C for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e12so884606vbg.16 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XKle5wS5nhDqRWXjXmY0AUDlzD2HZfbNOX3tsV1nG48=; b=fUQGaR+zflOh0ZjlFZPdH2cssjrHXtcECqwWJBrP0aXwsSErx6R5DdmdY4yyGr/eyh ebHibh0fU7aQaX71TizHllssmhC2nqqea8fkWxKeeiGjBD7lNCh8jhDXUt1FMm8wCBFk mO4DZGLRecnWLj6ZoHmxscuuWL+pKYph/qcDWHYuH8wPSIxy4PFD3fn744nuOEEcw8qY gjw9ASJ9t4QwQEw+4pxUkusa0JjzT7wBLMvgwIaH8fh/F+Qvc8TM4kHcOCXF0DyANhIs +bIoUEw1XsnmmrsvYMcGYmD9byZu6uonaUPvY+SOpKGpcrPhU+CIg4PujIph1bnsG/X8 20Vw== Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:54:16 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Pugh Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] Pivot Pin removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill My recollection is that it is the usual righthand threads. I assume you've tried PBlaster or some penetrant? In addition to turning it with a screwdriver using the slot in the head I think there are also 2 flats on each side of that head that will take a wrench (7/16"?). A wrench (if you haven't tried that yet) will give you a lot more torque (or whatever it is that moves bolts). Geo On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:29 AM, William Pugh wrote: > Looking for insight into how to remove the brake pedal pivot pin from the > brake master cylinder. Old and rusted, but it just won't budge. Is there > any > chance it might be reversed screw threads? I have tried it both ways, but > can't get it to budge. > > Thanks for your time > > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p ; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 09:55:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17294052A for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87316403F7 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.33.116] ([unknown] [71.178.195.81]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO300LVM00N9FK0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:50:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:50:46 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 73 Triumph GT6 left half shaft wobble. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Long story short: late last year I removed the rear axles in my 73 GT6 so a shop could renew the bearings. I put them back in and drive it for a few months. Today I had the car on stands for another reason when I saw this bad wobble in the left shaft (see YouTube video). Doesn't it look like the shaft is bent? I didn't hit anything with it. Martin Secrest Arlington VA Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/O3F_TA9YkPs ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 10:06:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2829540533 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4A1403F7 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.33.116] ([unknown] [71.178.195.81]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO3003H809ZLE20@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:56:25 -0500 (CDT) References: From: "M. Secrest" Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:56:22 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] 73 Triumph GT6 left half shaft wobble. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you forward to :50 seconds in the video you get the best view of the axle wobble. The ujoint isn't making noise, but I didn't check it out thoroughly. Sent by my butler On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:50 AM, "M. Secrest" wrote: > Long story short: late last year I removed the rear axles in my 73 GT6 so a shop could renew the bearings. I put them back in and drive it for a few months. Today I had the car on stands for another reason when I saw this bad wobble in the left shaft (see YouTube video). Doesn't it look like the shaft is bent? I didn't hit anything with it. > > Martin Secrest > Arlington VA > > > Check out this video on YouTube: > > http://youtu.be/O3F_TA9YkPs > > > Sent by my butler ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 16:02:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8549B40402 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CED40382 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9B3FD70069988; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.66]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6EDB0E000086; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:57:02 -0400 (EDT) References: To: moira.secrest@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 69.195.52.107 by webmail-va010.sysops.aol.com (149.174.114.119) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 08 Jun 2013 17:57:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:57:02 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370728622; bh=BWG9NNHlithvrdrF8legQ0kIdD8MR/YjQwRf3h+/bkQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CsH7azMpSYO4a9vvoYZykb5plj7i3ZVUmnILEuCoqIUJfg3a/vLeHcxNRX41c8pBT 54ieOqzghJlEP3vtJWeFI3hvYdXQcSY5Tb8C7wcBYo+VHukK5mEl86ZeDRLsk+u7LW IKqH33khRo3KEY21F4AaWsLVNZiCOLL8ujMwKihM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51b3a8ae1ea7 Subject: Re: [TR] 73 Triumph GT6 left half shaft wobble. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To me, yes, it does appear that the shaft wobbles a bit. :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: M. Secrest Long story short: late last year I removed the rear axles in my 73 GT6 so a shop could renew the bearings. I put them back in and drive it for a few months. Today I had the car on stands for another reason when I saw this bad wobble in the left shaft (see YouTube video). Doesn't it look like the shaft is bent? I didn't hit anything with it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 18:58:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2D140551 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7D24052A for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id m0st1l00N53lu50010suT8; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 17:52:55 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:51:43 -0500 Subject: [TR] need pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net any early tr4 or late tr3b b of the gas line between the fuel pump and the carbs. this guy put a filter and some weird routing. thanks! please send pics offline (obviously). piggott book pictures really donbt show me what I need. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 18:58:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE6C4054E for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CA640541 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id m0st1l00N53lu50010suT4; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 17:52:54 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:50:25 -0500 Subject: [TR] wrong cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net late tr3b, I finally got it running after who knows how many years. drove it around the block and down to the gas station a few days ago. flushed and put that stuff in it that is supposed to clean out the system. still in it. ran it for about 15 minutes tonight, probably 3k rpm (no tach), no temp gage, using infrared thermometer b keeps 180 b 190 after warmed up. thermostat works (tested that on the stove). seemed just fine. no water leaking/escaping. turn it off and water comes out of the cap. a lot. replace it? is 4 lb right (thatbs what it says on the cap). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 19:07:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71234054B for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF90A4052A for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=11eptTPbCWRYqQBvpiaJjw==:17 a=nLQhyh6lb2EA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mK_pgkwZgfsA:10 a=ACWk2FoPgRlPe7j4MpEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=11eptTPbCWRYqQBvpiaJjw==:117 Received: from [71.0.13.130] ([71.0.13.130:24329] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 70/11-20229-3B2D3B15; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 00:56:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Pugh'" , "'TR3/6'" References: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:56:14 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5kVKgQ82CoQ9D7RjipCkTMTn2noAAVdkwA Subject: Re: [TR] Pivot Pin removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Looking for insight into how to remove the brake pedal pivot pin from the > brake master cylinder. Old and rusted, but it just won't budge. Is there > any > chance it might be reversed screw threads? As I recall, you pretty much have to remove the complete pedal assembly from the car first. The process is covered in the workshop manual, page R15. (written for Lockheed brakes, but I believe the pedals are the same even though the MC & its bracket are completely different). Then there are two bolts that go into the pin, one from each side. You have to remove both of those, and take away the brackets that they go through, in order to expose the ends of the pin. ISTR I then reinstalled the bolts (to avoid damaging the pin any further) and commenced pounding with a large brass drift & BFH. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 19:36:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41D44041C for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECA4403FE for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:34:27 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ma3yQYyBtZUA:10 a=UVYzrTkz3ljJbjZDVwwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:64449] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 49/AD-09460-08AD3B15; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 01:29:36 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Dave" , References: <767C1C4B9741441D972F1246123878ED@Datsun> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:29:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] wrong cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know the rating of a TR3B cap, but what you describe is a common occurrence, you top up the radiator, run the car, shut off the car, heat from the motor heats up the coolant, which is no longer circulating, to its highest temperature yet, it expands and leaks out the cap, two solutions, install a catch/return tank as they started to do in the sixties, you can get one from a later LBC, or a generic plastic one from a local chain auto parts store. I used a generic one on a car I used to have, and was surprised when it not only caught the overflow, but returned most of it when the motor cooled back down. Plan B, let it overflow a couple times and it will reach its sustainable level. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 19:54:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529BD4041C for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EF3403EA for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 01:49:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 01:49:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 01:49:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370742557; bh=ecmQ6YcSt82T9l65H+K+m2uysn8Ms0VZ5vrxo3q9PjU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=cZmG9hwUzHlijiW9fOJF5GFHD0r9JSVEb8fFtX/BrRf1k17PewNcPBA9Uva8KsKIDWyQ6t5cxl6FzKd/Ye2w3vUzDUEdyfaTSli/hku8hWBlOIsno2y5iiCn/kFA8F1ovNUP/NVcT2pwx3HgsFfbeGV6AmFdJePyVNvZ88wO6go= oXKf3lpJI0o_Ph7nqXkr969bcglOlAv45g_CSc82IU1iNvpsPAGnKwge1rJ_ g7rqVCXg3VHJFwwIHKzaxyglXtXswjE9tJHiXhKxghEEPq6jpToJ99CsGXAY UsqS1L1h0beISaNYkyggUYnELWDsZfiK_w2ggQgoQTfATt9RVhmjwqI.aD1z QIZ5_qZlH8ytZ9KhtuismZ06l7qjE8LtaakQPbFku0hcciom_L.0FK.QPOrH lI35ejii.IBvUlcLkk7rYVAv.pDww2JxPPgiU_ShNv6FOiXf3k.ykrtnbgkr RNwtZTiGbYZuRLhUiMnqov6xfYSlkxrzBh5VGPY1yXUipe.eZR845w6BchnL t5mefbsRW40gXCtqMI1dQeStWfj1BiRYfMOdRVvXVXEdTSzhGeHA6QZxeO4f AbMpgvG.j.Fg0mTetELRGIVG7UQTI7eyDLLfDoa9DzNXyE515M0B9DLObEcu q8URR3Rrji7eZTdQ6H1lsJtioWDIxZt1xE6nEpWwxCxkmysR.XHHmguVB5wV sILryox926XU_7nMI9d4.x72dSQKvEh6wHMxjmGQeTiem6tdNTWNHzRuLGpd Tn6aHIane smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jun 2013 18:49:17 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave'" , References: <767C1C4B9741441D972F1246123878ED@Datsun> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:48:44 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5kq94tgVOLhLkpT3u2wW9uf+6HKgABPBlQ Subject: Re: [TR] wrong cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, You may just have it overfull, when cold the neck should only have about 1/2" of coolant. BTDT, more than that and it will self-adjust the level for you. Yes, 4lb cap but check to be sure you have the right depth. My '58 is a 1" drop and the '62 is only 3/4", no way to know if you have the original rad or not so just measure before you head to the FLAPS. BTW, if you don't have a heater you could move up to a 7lb cap with no problems. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 7:50 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] wrong cap late tr3b, I finally got it running after who knows how many years. drove it around the block and down to the gas station a few days ago. flushed and put that stuff in it that is supposed to clean out the system. still in it. ran it for about 15 minutes tonight, probably 3k rpm (no tach), no temp gage, using infrared thermometer b keeps 180 b 190 after warmed up. thermostat works (tested that on the stove). seemed just fine. no water leaking/escaping. turn it off and water comes out of the cap. a lot. replace it? is 4 lb right (thatbs what it says on the cap). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 20:27:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8502340403 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFFD403FE for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id id13so3624166vcb.37 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 19:22:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=b3LRa/Z7FzvIZGdinY9Iw4KsJ4iwo7e6xwq1yK9Is/I=; b=ry8wLtOqdIkBIVIZLNdOF8YM/fguWMCgSiIXOGdHJbd48usuQpd6YBK3gYtOH46H8G usY6uswruIdzjon7WHUgehHDT7B+o20jRAGXGMUABiQpV4F9KDY0a84SLP93xhH4+fPJ 1DvGSryRfj5ymFmkMiAESfFX9PN59/4w98iWIxbsl4bPXTy+tWwwT3bSQljq2DNfFLC3 8ehUWw6UlERj7LIMxrgoiccsQCzKMD8ejUHzCYbB87RUQ7o3agbdryF5YNJK3LhtTw5D +Df+ypB8IJg7PMVViYMx29Glh9/8TLxF4XM0vaR/gYEfifH1C8F3k5SRgFTmVMbTtriw JNxQ== tm5mr2089809vdc.117.1370744523766; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 19:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:22:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <76EB2FF5994F4996B293C6E5118D8A40@Datsun> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:22:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] need pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave -- see if these tell you anything... TR4, not early but I don't think anything changed with later ones and this is a pretty accurate routing: [image: Inline image 1] Of course the TR3A will have the cap tube secured to the fuel line with those aluminum straps over black friction tape: [image: Inline image 2] In either case, the fuel line is secured in a rubber grommet w/I a metal strap attached to the lower bole of the tstat housing. Vac line is also secured in that same grommet. Geo PS: Dave get the pics, the rest of you will have to use your imaginations. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Dave wrote: > any early tr4 or late tr3b b of the gas line between the fuel pump and the > carbs. this guy put a filter and some weird routing. > > thanks! please send pics offline (obviously). piggott book pictures > really > donb t show me what I need. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Fuel Line 1.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Fuel Line 2.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 20:41:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD9C4040E for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0130B40326 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:40:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.4] helo=mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UlVU9-0000Ks-RD for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:36:01 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UlVU9-0008IA-0k; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:36:01 -0400 Received: from webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.2]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id m2c11l00W02gC1E012c1b4; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:36:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=Ma3yQYyBtZUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WFpd5vdGtkrleIOWsFUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=dv0r53mSTk2e8KAhgMvRMg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UlVU3-0001F6-O5; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:35:55 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:35:55 -0400 References: <767C1C4B9741441D972F1246123878ED@Datsun> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:35:55 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Dave" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] wrong cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I see that STANT has 4 PSI radiator caps. In fact, I find there are three. P/N's 10205, 10208, and 10281. Anyone have a source to tell them apart? Greg G. Osseo, MN > late tr3b, I finally got it running after who knows how many years. > > drove it around the block and down to the gas station a few days ago. > flushed > and put that stuff in it that is supposed to clean out the system. still > in > it. > > ran it for about 15 minutes tonight, probably 3k rpm (no tach), no temp > gage, > using infrared thermometer b keeps 180 b 190 after warmed up. > thermostat > works (tested that on the stove). seemed just fine. no water > leaking/escaping. > > turn it off and water comes out of the cap. a lot. replace it? is 4 lb > right (thatbs what it says on the cap). > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 22:17:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3256440413 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AC5403EA for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO300HURYC0IPA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 23:12:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "M. Secrest" , References: <043FF303-2D35-4AC6-B754-2C6EECD51DC6@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 00:12:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] 73 Triumph GT6 left half shaft wobble. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Martin... from the video your shaft looks straight,,,,, but the visible 'up-down' motion you can see of the inner end of the shaft is telling me your u-joint is off center. This does not necessarily mean the joint or yokes are bad, as these days there is enough free play in the end cap to clip dimensions to allow a bit of offset of the center of the u-joint to the centerline of the yoke. This can be rectified with either thicker clips, or the proverbial 'coins' cut from a soda can as spacer shims between clips and u-joint bearing caps to take up the slack and center the u-joint. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Secrest" To: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [TR] 73 Triumph GT6 left half shaft wobble. > If you forward to :50 seconds in the video you get the best view of the > axle > wobble. The ujoint isn't making noise, but I didn't check it out > thoroughly. > > Sent by my butler > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:50 AM, "M. Secrest" > wrote: > >> Long story short: late last year I removed the rear axles in my 73 GT6 so >> a > shop could renew the bearings. I put them back in and drive it for a few > months. Today I had the car on stands for another reason when I saw this > bad > wobble in the left shaft (see YouTube video). Doesn't it look like the > shaft > is bent? I didn't hit anything with it. >> >> Martin Secrest >> Arlington VA >> >> >> Check out this video on YouTube: >> >> http://youtu.be/O3F_TA9YkPs >> >> >> Sent by my butler > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 22:26:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC6F40423 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:25:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F9A4009A for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e14so14248318iej.29 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 21:18:37 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gmeZ48w6wdO/9vbgtfcmt/I27VW28LFcmoOq/8QDw8c=; b=tyIqii71kPJmWPm8CB+U0m99/yCq6SA1zRpmK+NXOsn/9lZeNED0Zb9pzK8jqX4OG2 qFHNlNgnal2oSBpQAnLIybt1qQXJFnnb83N5HC/TH+dp/tYfQ53uy3c0jYOeVBnIvZ/I tcVw2Owt/w0FfCSLePy88gjd5yOBFVKbdzPID2YVJkR+rzbNN9oJfVYwV4qeeiSS/TZY 33giRNUa1xJCWcY6DSvCIuTK8THmHgrWLjXeKV/XVfmiy+No8OluMYjZj85gmXTuajel q5QSQjLEoEQSnp7m071mhcHwQThnQ43893Cd1Uwuwkk9I/AfJfg0z3YdGIHj6kqZVY4E TWoQ== Sat, 08 Jun 2013 21:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-61-16.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d9sm4110491igr.4.2013.06.08.21.18.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Jun 2013 21:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 21:18:34 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <767C1C4B9741441D972F1246123878ED@Datsun> <01b2932df27c72887d7481f7244f2d34.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> Subject: Re: [TR] wrong cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/8/13 7:35 PM, greg@gelhar.com wrote: > I see that STANT has 4 PSI radiator caps. In fact, I find there are three. > P/N's 10205, 10208, and 10281. Anyone have a source to tell them apart? > Generic radiator caps will not work properly on a TR3-3B radiator. The filler neck is longer and the bottom of the cap does not seal. The wrong camp acts the same as no cap. You need to get a special longer cap. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 23:28:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89D84040E for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 23:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D9940403 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 23:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id m5PD1l00953lu50015PE4c; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:23:15 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Geo Hahn" , References: <76EB2FF5994F4996B293C6E5118D8A40@Datsun> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 00:21:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] need pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net george - thank you so much! this is exactly what I need. and definitely NOT how the dpo routed it!!! dave From: Geo Hahn Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:22 PM To: Dave ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] need pictures Dave -- see if these tell you anything... TR4, not early but I don't think anything changed with later ones and this is a pretty accurate routing: Of course the TR3A will have the cap tube secured to the fuel line with those aluminum straps over black friction tape: In either case, the fuel line is secured in a rubber grommet w/I a metal strap attached to the lower bole of the tstat housing. Vac line is also secured in that same grommet. Geo PS: Dave get the pics, the rest of you will have to use your imaginations. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Fuel Line 1.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Fuel Line 2.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 07:23:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CBA4040C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B704403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 13:14:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.244] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 13:14:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 13:14:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370783680; bh=ggRL1MstHbkOI0jrD626JV1k5FKdf2FJfAd8/ujB1nw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=2Q90slVq5rwaNQXaA/GI5FihfEGCgf+J8d5Pix6HuXQY7gn3cGgrNJ4oI41LinsDZyRoQedOhZFIm3pI4uv8nLhaxLv+LJu6HdM5sMkRLFa2Les3i7JjJRgUk9mjojB3H+ZjpStw3acAse0hSkRQKAsdlzWwvW9HcfXgsR5L0/I= qL6ThQ3qeLlMwcmsfC2yCw_M6Xfg3o9SjuW3A0VVVjhbazS7pNZu.5UpPxCL v7ZadflVcjmE.kAMEKJusT9.YNm638jtVxG1SdfUdWXzP7h75.HzH3CnjLXo kRom48B_B.3z3zrEn0SC5qMJY6kD27rMYlYffWDWCcgwTQ_PGRxYkbbR7r1V zFQNTE6lt8CUqeJa1aCMYU_1EthzYFOSkNbUIyGtsESIvcowvR1EqvCZwsqH 0OLyTXvHskj.keWdVGAdSHGpf.VwEILkdFSUhfwPv3oWIZpUgRZKbflXN6GH 17BtCsxmFr68voCz06LZHLYwwszdh9AR9OZXerYKg3QzfnZ1KRYYz3UGhgi9 9EdgH3iZ8XoAXFCZ3UcrUs.Fsw0OLHH_yNFQevF9YSyFnZAk9p9iQuD3eFxx FEweKbZ_cWUJ65KMl9KuNU4oQrXKH4f_hUihoerMgFOg7q6uWBKWgITf9yAK hHq9wWXs3nnGebrplviFxTQplWlx8Tv5WRd.zDN.xqCbu9vIaVZAVHdZiofk - smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jun 2013 06:14:40 -0700 PDT From: To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <767C1C4B9741441D972F1246123878ED@Datsun><01b2932df27c72887d7481f7244f2d34.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> <51B4021A.6060500@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 08:14:27 -0500 thread-index: Ac5kyNA5cxOdV5OeQrmw5Dj/zicFxwASGfIw Subject: Re: [TR] wrong cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got the longer cap at NAPA, $6.00, while my 3B used the shorter cap. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:19 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] wrong cap On 6/8/13 7:35 PM, greg@gelhar.com wrote: > I see that STANT has 4 PSI radiator caps. In fact, I find there are three. > P/N's 10205, 10208, and 10281. Anyone have a source to tell them apart? > Generic radiator caps will not work properly on a TR3-3B radiator. The filler neck is longer and the bottom of the cap does not seal. The wrong camp acts the same as no cap. You need to get a special longer cap. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 08:40:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA404042C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 08:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C914040C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 08:36:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO400LSWQZYTN39@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:31:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:31:10 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5lHfwYlDY/b55LQgi80xG8OTv3ZQ== Expiry-date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Shifter - help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am putting the gear shift lever in and cannot recall how the little spring and plunger are installed. Does it matter which direction the plunger faces (toward the engine or toward the tail)? Are there any tips on how to keep it in place while installing? As usual - any/all suggestions appreciated. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 09:12:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C7140426 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC50340329 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-12476.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.227.193] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UlhDP-00072a-FU; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:07:35 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:07:34 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-06-09, Dave wrote: > In either case, the fuel line is secured in a rubber grommet w/I a metal strap > attached to the lower bole of the tstat housing. Vac line is also secured in > that same grommet. Here is a picture of the strap/grommet that George described. (picture will be deleted in the copy to the list) If you are looking for the correct length and bends for the original setup, Classic Tube sells a pre-bent set in either steel or stainless. They claim it to be for the TR3-4A (57-67) but obviously there had to be at least three different setups for those models as three different carb setups were used: SU H6s, ZS, and SU HS6s. The one they actually sell is correct for the H6s except for the two small curved pieces that go from the float bowls to the edge of the air filters. I am currently working with Classic Tube to help them modify their design to include correct pipes for the ZS and HS6 carbs. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 09:19:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0F140414 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B7840075 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-12476.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.227.193] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UlhJt-0000sh-IQ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:14:13 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:14:16 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wrong Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-06-09 TeriAnn wrote: > Generic radiator caps will not work properly on a TR3-3B radiator. The > filler neck is longer and the bottom of the cap does not seal. The wrong > camp acts the same as no cap. You need to get a special longer cap. > > The TR3/4 long neck rads use a 1" deep cap. The rads that do not have the long neck use a >" deep cap. It seems that many of the replacement aluminum rads with the long neck were designed to use the newer >" cap. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 10:34:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDF64041F for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931D7403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mGVB1l00953lu5001GVC8e; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:29:13 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:48:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Wrong Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thanks again for all the help. I went to look at the cap, and it was indeed 1". but there was no rubber washer at the top! I'm getting another one today at a flaps if they have it. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:14 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wrong Cap On 2013-06-09 TeriAnn wrote: > Generic radiator caps will not work properly on a TR3-3B radiator. The > filler neck is longer and the bottom of the cap does not seal. The wrong > camp acts the same as no cap. You need to get a special longer cap. > > The TR3/4 long neck rads use a 1" deep cap. The rads that do not have the long neck use a >" deep cap. It seems that many of the replacement aluminum rads with the long neck were designed to use the newer >" cap. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 11:14:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85DE40421 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF62C403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so4137388veb.25 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Wp4XixDIy0NN9KfkOQV8ABl/ueqiBjk3J5QF1Qny/Ww=; b=kA60icXUhgsieJgcK+D/M0RnyA9Q7XSTRvZNzFZsOUtJt/0hozgkNV3K4i758mENiy iVKfgTvxU5QAUQ82WxfnPVr7csL8EhrX3ACy7V/5arZrft2Yx+uez1uwdvFMWsWfT58i 3BEY40bVHkw3gACnj5xooXavD+OklzAmijXAfWYnk6NHhN9CRhSRdC6Sp9kaQYEfGgYe 26fm+cDnlJwyP9Yff1/CqmUGVrJQ0npmGGeUfj2tTVyrIa127EJdKNRorRyE8ZN0aDGB P7MxnvVA0gCWX7AdWrKmrOqGqQJEwulkJxP7WP10uF7/nZqyFn9WnTpHViY2hiriZ3DS dvuQ== fa10mr2070940vcb.18.1370797741228; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:09:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Wrong Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Dave wrote: > ... I went to look at the cap, and it was indeed 1". but there was no > rubber washer at the top! > Should there even be one there (mine has no rubber washer up top)? Remember this is not a closed/recovery system -- so the important (rubber) seal is the one at the bottom. I did add an upper rubber seal to my TR4 cap because I also added a overflow/recovery bottle -- but as far as I know the correct caps had none. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 11:48:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776EA4041E for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90C6403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:48:08 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1370799789; x=1371404589; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=V5e1G17/fAVoVly7c9Kxy3mWMOpf4RMsLmcfz0y7BXk=; b=djk dACkWOgGaf9nFCm6g+owYppGExGqZkCFHwMdpXKd2ctAGD4Dt1reUFhlnPNpDd2l WVyZ1iBW/3c7WN1DuZp82+56jKraerlMTsBy3+DveQwE+sPn8hwNIUUU9gcTNA89 +SgpY1V6eHYZWWrDZpdB3v/rNViNnIph0pySKGfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=XhFb3gHy+ZW4X58MAheq5TE83QAwDEfa6NtKhxLuKFnp/lVSwoSvQQJ1hXID uUYXFRAYqqqxtn3RQtx2v5GcyzGirUFu52eP7Gx37Rlbdj65ao3ySknbn AyaBttHc/vkz6+x519H4JqZJhtmTSEPXGtXVsyZlg0eogOf/53WAes=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 35-md50000135250.msg for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:43:09 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:48:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: 'Triumphs' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I did promise no TR6 questions for a bit; so this one is a boat question. I'm re-mounting a boat motor. It's a big old Ford 351 sitting on 4 aluminium pads secured by 4" lag screws to the boat's motor bunks (frame members). Problem; the fellow who rebuild the rotted out motor bunks for me replaced them about 3/4" too low. I am looking to make spacers between the bunks and the motor mounts. I'll make temporary pieces from wood, but would prefer something non-rotting. The material must be quite stiff since the motor will be pushing on the mounts (unlike most that push on the transom of the boat) and I don't want it torquing the screws out of the boat. I'd thought of that artificial wood for decks, but have no idea about it's resistance to oil etc. Suggestions anybody? Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 11:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DD04042C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C034403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130609174857.BIRK25893.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:48:57 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id mHox1l00B4qRjhw01Hox2s; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:48:57 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=G6LISy0dkl8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=VbOZIArMuStR2k2_JggA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <06730D57858341DDB165165D60288CEA@RickPC> <7bea94a8.1ce6539.3df2602e.58b0@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:48:57 -0700 thread-index: Ac5lOOx1q4VU3FmoQMSm2W3ALfGZ7gAAGu5Q Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How about Corian like they make counter tops out of? Surely you can get scraps from a shop that installs them for nothing. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Hooper Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:48 AM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Non-LBC question I did promise no TR6 questions for a bit; so this one is a boat question. I'm re-mounting a boat motor. It's a big old Ford 351 sitting on 4 aluminium pads secured by 4" lag screws to the boat's motor bunks (frame members). Problem; the fellow who rebuild the rotted out motor bunks for me replaced them about 3/4" too low. I am looking to make spacers between the bunks and the motor mounts. I'll make temporary pieces from wood, but would prefer something non-rotting. The material must be quite stiff since the motor will be pushing on the mounts (unlike most that push on the transom of the boat) and I don't want it torquing the screws out of the boat. I'd thought of that artificial wood for decks, but have no idea about it's resistance to oil etc. Suggestions anybody? Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 12:52:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B2040410 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82EE403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id cm16so1938924qab.0 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:46:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aXUnWwkCTJt1q1HYrpJmHJO4bHAuoRM5z4BafZ4sjew=; b=va+mV0Yj1a33oy32SJQgMLrnCqtRH5dnpaliA1LbbtdN971I4Vkkzhq8H6Kc1exjeQ zSpKv5vG1Wn2mEnPz3EDPmMxcEo+/nUb2Yy9szK6LyU1wOcwYsTy3+kuBBzEJLn4H4ZT fgq6XJ6/NdxwSnjW2u/B9r2ifIlwGgyrmx1n+O2lNRq1yPkzSTqOpgrbjIZGKxVKsAn6 k+fr1761/UJrfJBMYohU207xOcqAQRS8oTm3oQAi0PBNeYqyC6mR6+/P6RDFUFTQe/sl qtNlUtVRgec0aAuiuoEt/tWejie+Nq5FZHrg0Cys6jgRRlLv8zPrapWhdMLsgCMvtlFO Rl7Q== e3mr11317182qae.5.1370803619679; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.25.7 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:46:59 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] Overheating TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, after four years of running dead-center in the OK area on the gauge, suddenly the needle has begun to crawl to the red as I accelerate, then return to high normal when I come back to idle or 2000 RPM or so. I've done nothing except fool with the Webers ( an ongoing amusement). The coolant may have been a bit low, but is now topped off. Checked the timing - may have been underadvanced at 1000 rpm, now set at 15 degrees at idle. New sleeved thermostat, even new temp sensor. Heater valve is closed. What have I done? Many thanks, as always. John Howard 65 TR4 73 Stag ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 12:53:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BA54041C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD344040C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DEBD9700308C7 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AE336E000081 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370803655; bh=COCYVw0yWGie4nLbwWl51XqgUMU4s9WwjjcbeJqc/uk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OjIyPhLitDxIRbhZgzestViZSvsZC6mHuZdQogctOlpGZI9AAJCt8mm0qF7sEnshz jyEAOg2DKAVNC55YNWZu1ctyFu3r2Fkd0N7q9/fa/KN7vpY1ll3/8T/hSAJ+8vmO+W uJUaTnN6JVccdblcXgAYlufKw1/4G6Hfz+I3/X+s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb51b4cdc71a37 Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How about pressure treated wood. That's non-rotting. Dave In a message dated 6/9/2013 12:43:22 PM Central Daylight Time, mhooper@indiefilmnet.com writes: > I did promise no TR6 questions for a bit; so this one is a boat question. > > I'm re-mounting a boat motor. It's a big old Ford 351 sitting on 4 > aluminium > pads secured by 4" lag screws to the boat's motor bunks (frame members). > Problem; the fellow who rebuild the rotted out motor bunks for me replaced > them about 3/4" too low. I am looking to make spacers between the bunks > and > the motor mounts. I'll make temporary pieces from wood, but would prefer > something non-rotting. The material must be quite stiff since the motor > will > be pushing on the mounts (unlike most that push on the transom of the > boat) > and I don't want it torquing the screws out of the boat. > > I'd thought of that artificial wood for decks, but have no idea about it's > resistance to oil etc. Suggestions anybody? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 12:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE9040437 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s14.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s14.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D4240416 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS18 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s14.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:47:39 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:47:43 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:47:43 -0700 FILETIME=[D12D9C70:01CE6541] Subject: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had a problem last few outings. Car acts like the key is turned off. For a few seconds, then comes back, then goes off. Then is fine. Not on freeway, but around town. I've run into similar before, fuel starvation. Replaced the fuel filter, checked the pump, OK. Drained some gas from the tank, right from the bottom where the fuel line connects into my drain pan. It had a little dirt, and some gel looking stuff, but also something strange. Bubbles. Not of air, but something else. When I went for a ride right after that all was well. I syphoned some off the top of the tank for my lawn mower, and put some into a clear glass jar. Next morning it looked fine. I drained some more out, a couple of quarts, into my oil drain pain which I had cleaned, from the bottom of the tank. It looked fine. It separated out into these fine bubbles, which then combined into a large different color mass. Could this just be residue from the drain pan or do I have bad gas? Contact me off line as well, I am anxious about driving the car. As always, thanks in advance...OH yea, 1971 TR6 Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 13:00:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DB040326 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399204006F for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg10.opentext.net (otwlxg10.opentext.net [10.2.103.151]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r59Iqu0G020910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:52:56 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG20.opentext.net ([169.254.2.77]) by otwlxg10.opentext.net ([10.2.103.151]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:52:40 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "mhooper@indiefilmnet.com" , "'Triumphs'" Thread-Topic: [TR] Non-LBC question Thread-Index: AQHOZTjh/bZqVzfTU0OtZx4GdRV5Ypktud1w Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:52:39 +0000 References: <06730D57858341DDB165165D60288CEA@RickPC> <7bea94a8.1ce6539.3df2602e.58b0@indiefilmnet.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.16] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19928.000 x-tm-as-result: No--40.271700-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark Isn't there marine plywood, it is supposed to be non-rotting ( as much as anything ), the stuff they used to use in Morgan's? The other alternative would be aluminum blocks. David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did promise no TR6 questions for a bit; so this one is a boat question. I'm re-mounting a boat motor. It's a big old Ford 351 sitting on 4 aluminium pads secured by 4" lag screws to the boat's motor bunks (frame members). Problem; the fellow who rebuild the rotted out motor bunks for me replaced them about 3/4" too low. I am looking to make spacers between the bunks and the motor mounts. I'll make temporary pieces from wood, but would prefer something non-rotting. The material must be quite stiff since the motor will be pushing on the mounts (unlike most that push on the transom of the boat) and I don't want it torquing the screws out of the boat. I'd thought of that artificial wood for decks, but have no idea about it's resistance to oil etc. Suggestions anybody? Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 13:06:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2194043A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18CD40326 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.189] by nm32.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 19:01:52 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.43] by tm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 19:01:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2013 19:01:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370804512; bh=B18apXGCLSqy27jbcYIkX0vR4YQbtkKjC/p/SBi9o8E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=B2Uy/SnbVAonoQZIFCrux/nXcxMtagki1wZFeZk3j3JGS2fGHG1XmFV88VoyrsHV4JEj4AR7qvOIcs92Emw5PGdgbqzt1tVY+8/ZB3VEgLCyVSlN6sP+NDFsuTVunijIcX5WyoKSztiWnhXEMFx80DbEKkkRSWsvQLHCn84JATE= KfB1DvnpxLlM52MIWwUhXq4PBDtceWli4gvIoxWSQ._whIg4ErJt1wiukuVj Tlugd5sWejo2yyXmUwKXdrJXvvpPbG6aagPu42Ykly8aPHX84_zccFbkS.e2 dPSqF87wzNwlOW9mwT7KgV.2zL_i8a5FT93C2BUhND9q2oBae90mB3ByWl3O NjYakJu6GQ0T.dY5kLsd1XdZ.ABdqD1aakDL.VDICPFh1EnvxJ_qpbqbtIou hzYGWDBvsz2vF8pTaj3YDmSu1qM7G4U89LtBw1yGUvS3UsRROYYU4KhFO2Sw fr_X.RIjW6.JmJgRyfJz5iPdbTA.QpNf3F2v_FitLJ8WWdNiF43J7nMOfda9 K9T1fwVkjvamTTA78Syxp_.z.gLT8MvR_LWyC6BYpbv1XhJTypk3pO2txL0z DXF5BnwfFNr6oWdH4463iQV.PM8X.uvqdOhvO5ix5MWaTUT8jc.E1nCPGdaO frorwIpgqykPSOceetj8jCTAt5.swAbDxMBIEL1Se81__ODo9p7zXFe.ucED 2E2Lka9gY smtp104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jun 2013 12:01:52 -0700 PDT References: From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:01:35 -0500 To: Peter Arakelian Cc: Listers Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like water in the gas. When you have drained from the bottom you are seeing it as water is heavier. Don't know how much is in your tank but I would drain it from the bottom to be sure I got it all. Check you fuel filter(s) too. Bill B Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2013, at 1:47 PM, "Peter Arakelian" wrote: > I've had a problem last few outings. Car acts like the key is turned off. > For a few seconds, then comes back, then goes off. Then is fine. Not on > freeway, but around town. I've run into similar before, fuel starvation. > Replaced the fuel filter, checked the pump, OK. Drained some gas from the > tank, right from the bottom where the fuel line connects into my drain pan. > It had a little dirt, and some gel looking stuff, but also something strange. > Bubbles. Not of air, but something else. When I went for a ride right after > that all was well. > I syphoned some off the top of the tank for my lawn mower, and put some into > a clear glass jar. Next morning it looked fine. I drained some more out, a > couple of quarts, into my oil drain pain which I had cleaned, from the bottom > of the tank. It looked fine. It separated out into these fine bubbles, which > then combined into a large different color mass. > Could this just be residue from the drain pan or do I have bad gas? > Contact me off line as well, I am anxious about driving the car. > As always, thanks in advance...OH yea, 1971 TR6 > Peter > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 13:54:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F5E40419 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE51C4040C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-12476.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.227.193] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Ullc1-0003tg-NF for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:49:14 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:49:13 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wrong Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry about my earlier post when it displayed as: > The TR3/4 long neck rads use a 1" deep cap. The rads that do not have the long > neck use a >" deep cap. It seems that many of the replacement aluminum rads > with the long neck were designed to use the newer >" cap. > > Keith Stewart > keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom I noticed the character substitution. The newer rads take a three quarters inch depth cap ( > ). Keith ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 14:50:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85144042A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9965D40075 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9143070004130 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 46F54E000085 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:36:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:35:59 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370810160; bh=7rA9mWG1fT7m+OdJ9VbFPNesjVaMkgyfIe0qGyqaJp8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IqdZAWCrq5He/lJAWyvfQpShYzkrnLHwxYBV9wRF/hmjUldvLmtRNMUZIzumzrNc7 4F0i0BmaCj6kZaWn7QinLFM+S5dZQ+qgreWZyZJU9BlnKvwCQMkqRLYMizM8QC9UBb BAqkaNCjIjJ1nL/Y31EMgSCckSFfNOEmk9bR/rwE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51b4e7307866 Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have you noticed a similar pattern with the fuel gauge? If so then perhaps your voltage stabilizer has gone bad. There may be nothing at all wrong with your engine or cooling system. Dave In a message dated 6/9/2013 1:47:12 PM Central Daylight Time, leejohn7@gmail.com writes: > Well, after four years of running dead-center in the OK area on the > gauge, > suddenly the needle has begun to crawl to the red as I accelerate, then > return to high normal when I come back to idle or 2000 RPM or so. I've > done > nothing except fool with the Webers ( an ongoing amusement). The coolant > may have been a bit low, but is now topped off. Checked the timing - may > have been underadvanced at 1000 rpm, now set at 15 degrees at idle. New > sleeved thermostat, even new temp sensor. Heater valve is closed. > What have I done? > Many thanks, as always. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 15:03:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A655640424 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C34D4006F for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mLsp1l00W53lu5001LsqFK; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:52:50 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <06730D57858341DDB165165D60288CEA@RickPC><7bea94a8.1ce6539.3df2602e.58b0@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:51:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net try cutting up a plastic cutting board. -----Original Message----- From: David Templeton Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 1:52 PM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com ; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Mark Isn't there marine plywood, it is supposed to be non-rotting ( as much as anything ), the stuff they used to use in Morgan's? The other alternative would be aluminum blocks. David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I did promise no TR6 questions for a bit; so this one is a boat question. I'm re-mounting a boat motor. It's a big old Ford 351 sitting on 4 aluminium pads secured by 4" lag screws to the boat's motor bunks (frame members). Problem; the fellow who rebuild the rotted out motor bunks for me replaced them about 3/4" too low. I am looking to make spacers between the bunks and the motor mounts. I'll make temporary pieces from wood, but would prefer something non-rotting. The material must be quite stiff since the motor will be pushing on the mounts (unlike most that push on the transom of the boat) and I don't want it torquing the screws out of the boat. I'd thought of that artificial wood for decks, but have no idea about it's resistance to oil etc. Suggestions anybody? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 16:36:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD19740416 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1585B40416 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS14 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:25:21 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:25:41 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:25:41 -0700 FILETIME=[3AE70ED0:01CE6560] Subject: [TR] problem gas? update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the responses. I think, though, it is residual in the plastic oil drain pan. I drained more fuel from the bottom of the tank into a new, unused glass jar and got nothing but clear gas after several hours. I have been using an ethanol problem preventive additive, though not as often as I should. The real test will be next longish drive. Sorry for the panic, but you know how that is... Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 17:45:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E3840567 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862DD4054B for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.97.78]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mPfq1l00E1hU6Lu01PfrlP; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 16:39:52 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , "'TR List '" References: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:39:49 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIimAfWu6b05Dd6qrYfXWE6WX7ZgZiFpFcg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shifter - help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl: I'd be interested in the combined wisdom of the list on this, but my thoughts were that the rounded end of the plunger should face out, but when I tried this in my TR250, I could not select the gears, particularly reverse. Had to flip it. In my TR3 it didn't seem to matter which way the plunger went. Andrew Uprichard Just back from a 780 mile round trip to Southern Indiana - with a new TR3 project !!! This is what makes a Michigan winter bearable. Well, Bushmills whiskey also helps...... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:31 AM To: TR List Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Shifter - help I am putting the gear shift lever in and cannot recall how the little spring and plunger are installed. Does it matter which direction the plunger faces (toward the engine or toward the tail)? Are there any tips on how to keep it in place while installing? As usual - any/all suggestions appreciated. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 18:54:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2C74055B for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:54:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B21D4054B for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 54501700000AB for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhb001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.187.193]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 21373E000085; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:44:18 -0400 (EDT) References: <16bbc.4f8bed3f.3ee627c7@cs.com> To: Dave1massey@cs.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.139.208 by webmail-m208.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 20:44:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:44:18 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370825058; bh=0xRwGxHekDqPqdS9f1f5CIpC1vSh7jgAtlcjzaZ8iYg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ouX1Arb9k/lD43sWiAcPMGeXCvaI6mio2oAaPwWGoCgdwjuVX3DFtOhY5NR6rg/lg tAxUaCyuRZ5GMvafL6NB8Kk68T5pKAPcPpA9T5p7js0JJ9cBhd/kDgw3Bk526iTazq CAC5qmHgeFaVpqDl0sOc7gUFJdK3YAOo2bah6uf8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51b521620f7d Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I showed your e-mail to the rotting 20-year-old P/T piece of decking on my deck, and it laughed. ;) In fairness, it's only one spot on only one board. Still, I'm not convinced that wood is the best solution here! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey How about pressure treated wood. That's non-rotting. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 20:34:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875F240568 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f54.google.com (mail-qe0-f54.google.com [209.85.128.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893F740452 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ne12so3775295qeb.13 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6jzFMHN0UiEMQwQK3Cf3TBWrfKZ1hRdpcfQUpzEuM8I=; b=XGNQYbN+P98NYHYqvNp7GqVL+Zi7S/k7YeyF8m2/z0NCeVDsp49WjuOhD5hKZ9RA3z 5JCX4dicWWvl2EiNkbH3FmTFfO2dMUQ8FOZsKD4Lf0m98vdYhISZ1X0G1/UqMuwh68G9 2vICG2mdE3g7j//LDkKmyREm9F3+Ry0uG3dAOqFOImUax89wTJUxdezEUdC/1aedBOsW 7k2Z5IgEGc8s78hUZxm3aoJ0UbWuUh+HsmoRN6i+KYNITEk8hhSONE+qkMOz0n3OWdMT IxY7nTPISfL1p9VsH8fZWS/pVZGVmm3k2jUd0risvQLHmDbQVZ25eaW0mEX97w9hL7Vx PBjw== n6mr8787169qeg.16.1370831347843; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.25.7 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:29:07 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: Dave1massey@cs.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fuel gauge hasn't worked right for years...mostly lies at empty. Recently bought new in-tank unit, yet to install. John On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM, wrote: > Have you noticed a similar pattern with the fuel gauge? If so then perhaps > your voltage stabilizer has gone bad. There may be nothing at all wrong > with your engine or cooling system. > > Dave > > In a message dated 6/9/2013 1:47:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > leejohn7@gmail.com writes: > > Well, after four years of running dead-center in the OK area on the > > gauge, > > suddenly the needle has begun to crawl to the red as I accelerate, then > > return to high normal when I come back to idle or 2000 RPM or so. I've > > done > > nothing except fool with the Webers ( an ongoing amusement). The coolant > > may have been a bit low, but is now topped off. Checked the timing - may > > have been underadvanced at 1000 rpm, now set at 15 degrees at idle. New > > sleeved thermostat, even new temp sensor. Heater valve is closed. > > What have I done? > > Many thanks, as always. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejohn7@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 20:34:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1D14056A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f52.google.com (mail-qa0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C5540534 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bv4so2030831qab.4 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:29:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=w+e1J47HKDutDg5WbUClahL9cKiGlf0/oYw5PCVWAew=; b=BLeKOn4KnRqZU52l7hXxuBmHY4eV1h0bAXWahT0ttbZf0eptDUFxOhhFQzgg/MARXQ JWxKwDKcsLy8Oum4ApQCgX0DQo9pDiSrxb87pkKtZ0/8yLJxVqzeoT9yGCHWEBDUTKX3 jRtNT9H7AhbiEqXu1tvp+Eh6jRk3XKDFR5mntkgII+dDv4ai/XcvxCg2jG5r8S7yI2M7 FWP0gu7Il4Eu8lbNdqzWVau5vmukzJY6U9KxgVWhS7LjNWF7SxJUA0gbPbJ/O4GXq90w LlwHySxDPzXG0t017ymUj68I3+fqfJYSz6nUyMAKlYdvQKABCdQMTF4utNDibxEQFxyB 8AKw== j6mr11963327qas.41.1370831393783; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.25.7 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:29:53 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:29:53 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: Dave1massey@cs.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good idea - will do. Thanks John On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Fuel gauge hasn't worked right for years...mostly lies at empty. Recently > bought new in-tank unit, yet to install. > John > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM, wrote: > >> Have you noticed a similar pattern with the fuel gauge? If so then >> perhaps >> your voltage stabilizer has gone bad. There may be nothing at all wrong >> with your engine or cooling system. >> >> Dave >> >> In a message dated 6/9/2013 1:47:12 PM Central Daylight Time, >> leejohn7@gmail.com writes: >> > Well, after four years of running dead-center in the OK area on the >> > gauge, >> > suddenly the needle has begun to crawl to the red as I accelerate, then >> > return to high normal when I come back to idle or 2000 RPM or so. I've >> > done >> > nothing except fool with the Webers ( an ongoing amusement). The coolant >> > may have been a bit low, but is now topped off. Checked the timing - may >> > have been underadvanced at 1000 rpm, now set at 15 degrees at idle. New >> > sleeved thermostat, even new temp sensor. Heater valve is closed. >> > What have I done? >> > Many thanks, as always. >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejohn7@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 21:31:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCB4272F for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 21:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCF74006F for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 21:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5C919700000A5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dba003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dba003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.71]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 27F16E000085 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 76.254.9.18 by webmail-d166.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 23:26:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370834776; bh=2pxLJvZqJ7iM7ccrkbiPfNV5SFbCha9D2YtW+FzyEVE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P6r5GL/bWwkYXrWBRHK3JzzvObZIRTe45uAgttLGsFnr5Io9w9G7FCGDR8G3mOBg+ NNC1hSpLKjB+yTr/sERrMHjzZJPy47+1IYQWZbZ80c5zJKBZBGVrqmATCBTEOxzze6 MNOVEi2YZI1EOi30xkv8JYeOjNzIZW3thGdHOKAE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951b5475860ed Subject: Re: [TR] 2 versions of TR4 temp sensors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, You may have fixed something that wasn't broke! Here's a long-shot.. there are 2 different specs for the TR4 Temp Senders.. 1] early TR4 and TR4A have same specs, 2] mid-range TR4s use a different spec'd temp sensor (which are now very hard to find). The major vendors all seem to sell just one version for early TR4 THROUGH TR4A (they don't sell the mid-range TR4 temp sensors). I have the real deal for my mid-range TR4. Wondering if either your old sensor eventually went bad, or any of the other things you adjusted caused heating problem, in mean time you may have bought the only version of temp sender now available - which may now be misleading your gauge. The temp sensors can be tested.. put in pot of water and heat water with thermometer and ohmmeter hooked up to sensor. Then check ohms at certain temperatures to match specs for early TR4 & TR4A, or mid-range TR4. If this sounds like fun bI can dig through my files and forward you those specs. Or you might just reinstall your old sensor in car and see what happens.. Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 Well, after four years of running dead-center in the OK area on the gauge, suddenly the needle has begun to crawl to the red as I accelerate, then return to high normal when I come back to idle or 2000 RPM or so. I've done nothing except fool with the Webers ( an ongoing amusement). The coolant may have been a bit low, but is now topped off. Checked the timing - may have been underadvanced at 1000 rpm, now set at 15 degrees at idle. New sleeved thermostat, even new temp sensor. Heater valve is closed. What have I done? Many thanks, as always. John Howard 65 TR4 73 Stag ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 02:20:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBDB4271C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D08E4271B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mYFT1l0051ZMdJ4A3YFTff; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mYFS1l0094L5TyG8cYFSYh; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:15:27 +0000 From: Bud R To: Dave1massey@cs.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:15:26 -0600 References: s=q20121106; t=1370852127; bh=7taGjVSbrVmnMmVeloaYYsJrMIrrhGx9yNxhfmNCQfQ=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=RdLrSH8XvH+wMK5IHPkoaGnAm/dcEMVgdwNRSg7FVneTUHsDkmPQ8/zHBz8dPBzrS UPpJxe3aMjiOT8su+6F9KuYG+RetKsojzFGTyo/j6lbT7fV79QiZeVFdoC+Loo0JLQ jp6N530deKTcrtHjWnhzMk1c6uUPJpewsl+sHuAhGjDk0o3y2/OhqNA2WliYHejaCr rf6uWUYDWKHQe08ubbL3hjBcQMXleWS5i8oSlHSaQ/sd/tdwcYaFEvZc3ME6mbuolG fTH0+H6L0ixjMxNLIGhOE1iUWH0hksBEcB0OFQ76f1sqe7l1a13yGd2QfDWB20/AXL +x75zSudIILNw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another electrical possibility is ground is being lost for a moment and back and forth. Maybe time to clean some connections. Start with the battery cables. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jun 9, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > Have you noticed a similar pattern with the fuel gauge? If so then > perhaps > your voltage stabilizer has gone bad. There may be nothing at all > wrong > with your engine or cooling system. > > Dave > > In a message dated 6/9/2013 1:47:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > leejohn7@gmail.com writes: >> Well, after four years of running dead-center in the OK area on the >> gauge, >> suddenly the needle has begun to crawl to the red as I accelerate, >> then >> return to high normal when I come back to idle or 2000 RPM or so. >> I've >> done >> nothing except fool with the Webers ( an ongoing amusement). The >> coolant >> may have been a bit low, but is now topped off. Checked the timing >> - may >> have been underadvanced at 1000 rpm, now set at 15 degrees at idle. >> New >> sleeved thermostat, even new temp sensor. Heater valve is closed. >> What have I done? >> Many thanks, as always. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 05:40:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43444272F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 05:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A885A40545 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 05:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 28078700000B5 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F1C29E000086 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:29:41 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370863782; bh=zdwWC5cdPnL6p8J6AFIOw840oMhSXjlRjFbVtCsHJdQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KLhK4j5tmWJRzK5aglMuaSzIB0kdRKenCSpQIlZ2Q0ThXQ2OBQu9IQhM2hVYawlde 3JK2xj2J/dxlh6/SLyRlJYT3jPChSvYPmXqV6he8NUEcieQ2lp3VgG2s3i4Pnxr7z2 eQMBfPjRwasE29EYPOYMsCMPFQphQRIQcMPiyfHM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751b5b8a503bd Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting. My 20 year old P/T deck is holding up quite well. Even the posts set right in the ground. Maybe you got a piece that was not properly treated. Still, if Mark only gets 20 years out of that boat before another rebuild... In a message dated 6/9/2013 7:44:18 PM Central Daylight Time, zoboherald@aol.com writes: > Dave, I showed your e-mail to the rotting 20-year-old P/T piece of > decking on my deck, and it laughed. ;) In fairness, it's only one spot on only > one board. Still, I'm not convinced that wood is the best solution here! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 05:41:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE2A42720 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 05:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7961940453 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 05:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3CEEC70000086 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 11619E000086 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:36:38 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370864199; bh=G8q6sp5yWFadw89zoZl3HOqdOGdde1Suwb9wgFANdCI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JoYZBgvzZtXF5t2LLdIeGkZK3Rl+CB71iqolK3pjo7Op7/1I6VWErxU/vF1rZJ4Xk 4OvBwSHimfjhLqkM/D0jAVFdqEUe6hOtYCfpcu+3qTH9cyyXSDO835ISylwqyDMZTR uxZrKa32AKvxw9Ye0np8F2jZgXkCQFFPHgCaZErk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294851b5ba470dba Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh well, so much for the easy check. It could be a genuine overheating problem or it could just be a gauge indication problem. I can't count how many times I assumed the worse and only after some expensive repairs found out it was an easy problem. If you have one of those infrared thermometers you can verify you have an actual overheat problem before you put in a new radiator or change the pump or something else expensive. Dave In a message dated 6/9/2013 9:29:08 PM Central Daylight Time, leejohn7@gmail.com writes: > Fuel gauge hasn't worked right for years...mostly lies at empty. Recently > bought new in-tank unit, yet to install. > John > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM, wrote: > >> Have you noticed a similar pattern with the fuel gauge? If so then >> perhaps >> your voltage stabilizer has gone bad. There may be nothing at all wrong >> with your engine or cooling system. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 06:00:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA4342769 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E2540440 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO60022OEFLCQ40@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:55:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:54:58 -0400 Expiry-date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5lcryQL+aa5kjPRH+H22LEimVO8Q== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gear Shifter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I followed the same route Bill did and mimicked the Moss catalog. Seemed to go in ok - with a little coaxing. I ended up using a zip-tie to keep the plunger recessed. Installed it, clipped the zip and pulled it out. It was nearly impossible to see if it stayed in place - I'll just have to wait until I can actually shift the tranny (no clutch fluid yet) to make sure. Spent the rest of the day making sure all of the electric connections were tight under the dash - found one that pulled apart without any effort. Fixed that. Put the harness behind all of the 'clips' and used a couple zip-ties to keep everything up and out of the way. BOY ARE THERE A LOT OF WIRES BEHIND THERE..... Didn't get to the tail and indicator lamps like I wanted. Nothing seems to take the amount of time allotted... about 1 1/2 - 2 - 3 times as much.... Maybe tonight after work. Sure wish I could call in 'sick' but it is budget season at the University and deadlines are looming. I'm just glad I didn't have to go into work this weekend. I do need to install the driver's seat as I am taking it to the local LBC mechanic to check it all - brakes, tune, align, etc. etc. on Tuesday. I want to make sure I didn't do something stupid along the way - like put the engine in backwards.. :^) I started taking this car apart on September 28 2001 for a four year project - It looks like I'll be done by the twelfth anniversary... (there is that theme again -- 3 times as long and I would be willing to bet - 3 times as much $.) Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 7:10 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Gear Shifter - help Carl, Did you get an answer to this? I recently put the lever back on my TR3B using the picture in the Moss parts catalog that appears to show it facing the rear. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl-TR Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:31 AM To: TR List Subject: [TR] TR3 Gear Shifter - help I am putting the gear shift lever in and cannot recall how the little spring and plunger are installed. Does it matter which direction the plunger faces (toward the engine or toward the tail)? Are there any tips on how to keep it in place while installing? As usual - any/all suggestions appreciated. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 08:14:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1524056D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368E040418 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-12476.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.227.193] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Um2iV-0002SE-QB for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:05:06 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:05:03 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-06-09, at 3:25 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > I have been using an ethanol problem > preventive additive, though not as often as I should. Not to hijack the thread, but to start another on this one component, what are the pros and cons of the various ethanol treatments. I used Stabil for years when storing the cars for the winter. I now use Lucas "Safeguard" Ethanol Fuel Conditioner and recently tried some StarTron Enzyme Fuel Treatment after an enthusiastic endorsement at a local speed shop. What are your experiences with the various products available and for those in the know on these things, what evidence or reports are available? As always, thanks in advance for your collective wisdom. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 08:29:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3AC4056E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F116B4042A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:25:47 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1370874045; x=1371478845; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=gS6mSFyuLALRYkWlY8fB7ejERZ+vwemqtusGKbwYPqk=; b=4bM /6nz+jDYnQHn6k6TyEU/MC4ME6tQz2f94NaG2UinnUh2daC33vKIG5IlZi66bq6b xrdbpSE42D1xg5qbkGUiqhLx06MCIBvoI4nDqCW7QNi23hkBuJJjoxnvHCOZONDd qzDx7DtQa4Hflx07ZpGonJVOrIdHkubVQROaWnDc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=e8ZdiG9iHvn/ulwf0w+9aTZ0O7DP+0nwSJrP4nCMzfO4dx8ilyREGs6rxTkc QPoDuW84NYIG7Fktg/VQ+Ix4pGfTNvp87vkkPcjP9cAto4/V9BwYgfAqY qv7ARc8cYrVgsdAJ9dVNxs6oCf4Je4QAJsLlsDWmoW8OnP0LKnoaZc=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 31-md50000135327.msg for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:20:45 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:25:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'hakhutch@roadrunner.com'" , 'Triumphs' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tim: A very Canadian suggestion,,, despite your location. :^) The material is ideal I think. Alas, hockey pucks are not big enough to cover the space required. I had lots of interesting responses from the list. I going to have a go with some PVC planking that Cliff Davies(a nearby list member) has volunteered. I'll keep my eyes on it for stability, since I'm not sure how the conditions will affect the stuff. Still, I think the load is only about 25 lb/sq. inch, so I'm hopeful that nothing too untoward will occur. Cheers and thanks again to the almighty list! Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen [mailto:hakhutch@roadrunner.com] Sent: June-10-13 7:28 AM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Non-LBC question Mark, Try hockey pucks. Stiff durometer, waterproof. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hooper" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 1:48 PM Subject: [TR] Non-LBC question >I did promise no TR6 questions for a bit; so this one is a boat question. > > I'm re-mounting a boat motor. It's a big old Ford 351 sitting on 4 > aluminium > pads secured by 4" lag screws to the boat's motor bunks (frame members). > Problem; the fellow who rebuild the rotted out motor bunks for me replaced > them about 3/4" too low. I am looking to make spacers between the bunks > and > the motor mounts. I'll make temporary pieces from wood, but would prefer > something non-rotting. The material must be quite stiff since the motor > will > be pushing on the mounts (unlike most that push on the transom of the > boat) > and I don't want it torquing the screws out of the boat. > > I'd thought of that artificial wood for decks, but have no idea about it's > resistance to oil etc. Suggestions anybody? > > Mark > 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 09:47:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4174006D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3AC4040C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id meRT1l0080b6N64A1feEz4; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:38:14 +0000 Received: from RickPC ([24.22.169.14]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mfeD1l00Q0Jyir48PfeDPc; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:38:14 +0000 From: "Rick" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:38:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5l8ISzdMjHg/uOTQCl1I+zuq+/tQ== s=q20121106; t=1370878694; bh=c+43GVaivH2MJ8t06JPrl6drolFsn96CS9fWi/VpKD0=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=O6ojiplfB7HE7yJc9z+2SnJ17fRfXGPLhXIxM097ElTU2NR8pYZcZiBQtLJZDDjZ8 u6dXAnhutviFCv3LlXY41k8A0HkUtwbgzafKfdGFtBbLgyw7Ufb1awERJfOGrSdHDO +X4cciH2rm/e0OMhgiELciR/OyZou7vNpa7GELzFDz3iquOdnqeAhfvLmGlMigiIUw wpQ2LdczANzeTiZFKEAHJDSRxQA3h1fL5n61Hh/hYyA08oLQemcCj1BXPtYcyYVqyH KVsZkBoDtRuioazz5cMlv7lu7x5UHeXGEmy97wjK8nz1y0CXF/G6R+JKG8P+nzdhQV 7B6a+fmC0LSOw== Subject: [TR] Problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, The bubbles you see in the gas are water bubbles. With a lot of water in the gas, youll see long worms of water (2) often containing debris. This was a common spring-time problem for me with 3 pieces of British iron as they are all put to bed in early November and restarted in late May, when I return to Seattle. Ive adopted the following technique that appears to avoid the problem: From mid-summer onward I use StaBil (cant tell any difference between the marine and automotive products) additive in the tanks and put the car and bikes to bed in the fall with their tanks < filled. When I return in May, I drain a pint of fuel for each tank into a clear container and check for water. My Triumph has an electric fuel pump, so I simply detach the hose at the carburetors and use the pump to fill the container. My bikes always show clear fuel, but I completely drain them (the discarded and filtered fuel goes into my pick-up) and refill with fresh fuel. The Triumph often shows some water (and debris) in the first few pints (larger tank with a larger liquid surface), then clear. Before using StaBil the separated ethanol absorbed too much water over the winter, and all vehicles contained heavily contaminated fuel by spring start-up time. Rick in Seattle 1960 Triumph TR3A 1970 BSA 441 Victor Special 1975 Norton Commando 850 Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 10:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BF140438 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BD140416 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mdMg1l0060S2fkCA6goCli; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:48:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mgoA1l01W3NmwNy8VgoBk5; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:48:11 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:48:10 -0700 References: To: Geo Hahn s=q20121106; t=1370882892; bh=0Z9pLmoudmMO1CIKxv/Yuoa2OlXB9ZUNxdrK1DmhRG8=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=qaIZ4JT3taNMJ9A8HVEIK5i/VB7cugRPlKZrBXq5wlgnP+NKQDj2AFYknu2EAma8Z uyd/t+KfybXTXGQSqBQ8fkHPtHSRW5K5pHlh8Hg5EjqHKrwZh3lY8Npi4sFJe151u3 9maddNjAvGr5y+yLVp2spPzw3fs/68Di4q3qClSPkXcl3VvD5sHIEPYNAd0ET7qOl+ vA5dr/FwyfgUvjsRZeRjRoafNX3N4+zgLOwYDjAW4GJrL0FkjQnE4Go2jTg9V3bdwP CpIywWo+fS8bnem9hJkz96paUu+z5+WosdQUFdZye6b7XuZn7YyZz/+HB6mbXyI1Pn SHspdGYgHQMhg== Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] Pivot Pin removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks George, There are indeed two flats (7/16), that allowed me to put enough torque on the pin to break it free, after that it was easy to remove with a good screwdriver (I snitched one from my gun tool set). No further effort was required and the old MC slid out the back easily. Thanks for the help On Jun 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Bill > > My recollection is that it is the usual righthand threads. > > I assume you've tried PBlaster or some penetrant? > > In addition to turning it with a screwdriver using the slot in the head I think there are also 2 flats on each side of that head that will take a wrench (7/16"?). A wrench (if you haven't tried that yet) will give you a lot more torque (or whatever it is that moves bolts). > > Geo > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:29 AM, William Pugh wrote: > Looking for insight into how to remove the brake pedal pivot pin from the > brake master cylinder. Old and rusted, but it just won't budge. Is there any > chance it might be reversed screw threads? I have tried it both ways, but > can't get it to budge. > > Thanks for your time > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 13:30:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403764043A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882D340382 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.97.34]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mjQS1l00G0kWXVA01jQTQg; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:24:28 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:24:27 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mEA91cxvqdtdDQRuqdsJLJYAd4Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] drain tubes - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What are the correct destinations for the drain tubes respectively for the vent tray and the battery box? I know one goes down through the transmission cover (battery box, I think), but where does the other go? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 13:36:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A455D4044B for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED8640382 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.97.34]) by p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mjSH1l00G0kWXVA01jSHbl; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:26:19 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:26:18 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5mEETjlv43RU7NS320zYWVHriOkg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] wooded dash rail - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can anyone direct me towards anywhere where I can secure a wooden dash rail for the latest TR# project? Never seen this before, but the wood has completely rotted out. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:58:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6404043E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A303C403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 76AB470065873 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.1]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4FBBEE000087 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370904761; bh=wPbX3OHs/JPZIczUrVUlCPQv3KKuIwYOud8nPuMAjbo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cSLQo9HModPjCBIe3O/ZyUXgdYbfPG6eyW10FgZk1OpC4k5n13QhziP879UReeL1x RIdRvQ5jYmyhDbTr6uzCSkeqGQkeihN3PnXs0nYVEfWxs9A6qqySTtmLUKuADVvb+N QBe5ButKQyMoVKOL4U0UUhWyJa8ltmcojI4VcTqo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951b658b919b3 Subject: Re: [TR] drain tubes - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I dunno. The engineer in my just tee'd the two tubes together and ran the common tube through the hole in the trans cover. Dave In a message dated 6/10/2013 2:24:38 PM Central Daylight Time, auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > What are the correct destinations for the drain tubes respectively for > the > vent tray and the battery box? I know one goes down through the > transmission cover (battery box, I think), but where does the other go? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:05:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACB14043A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42E6403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:05:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO700E86BZSVZZ2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:00:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: , References: <1100a8.10817dcf.3ee7b2b9@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:59:51 -0400 Thread-index: AQL9idiPyDX+FQvyiFlIRyjBQIfS65bRWKqQ Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] drain tubes - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ditto on that for me. The option seemed to be to run the battery box drain between the front edge of the tran cover and bulkhead or figure out a way for the two tubes to co-exist in the one hole. I did add enough length so that the 'flow' was below the transmission rather than into the cavity beside it... Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:53 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] drain tubes - TR3 I dunno. The engineer in my just tee'd the two tubes together and ran the common tube through the hole in the trans cover. Dave In a message dated 6/10/2013 2:24:38 PM Central Daylight Time, auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > What are the correct destinations for the drain tubes respectively for > the vent tray and the battery box? I know one goes down through the > transmission cover (battery box, I think), but where does the other go? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 18:17:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3632A4042D for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA369403CF for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 00:11:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.130] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 00:11:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 00:11:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370909516; bh=SxGRhXKhTOossf3+szyAbufvEjvWZvk1FaiGbOmdRmE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=6R7sLF++Hmbv3uJmTofn+oPyGBQZXR9wosqvJPdbqnvFkYWBmRHYjOMBnJTbqubCSnY0QYIjMrXZXZ5VPsbE9Vd9cYrAsbyPwix/ZCoQcEcJiU0hzX64FifZmtO2JO2ndQ/0AjLCW5puJ9QvfKplZ66R4f5IIV9X6u6benJvTBU= PH.UeEkwo_ivfEal66I9BChYgUOneMS66xXLb4JRa9LER7yMMqAI7hntqzX6 11RhpYlkJcS.8f9Rx9s9dLctovc5rgEK9x.oE4b_745lruQB.HTN8flnWUnb .wG9ausDGfiy91s6OE5lMcH.uqqk9KUUiNsAHeJTqLGPBdevdluICqfA9x5g v9tYmudrLGll9QuZjGK_Ry_9Op5JDaju4hUhEaBtOM89BsejMMCUMuwvN1IA RFqjbFK6WhxXySSoU_SSYwVeZtzjiQOKUUEeACC1LtYIZCV_dHNkWrSRfTba i400jP5JqfYG8EwLFyAJI6iRA.PALcoZAc_ff0YUbEc.ZiLtOPye8foZCD9P fiMycS9yECyMFYCZQqau4SsEbSkzjHFC59F4Fpu2EZsi_Esgn7sw4.sWg2iJ D_98qffUhdQGtdxEQjHeAnRxg2bnIKtEs6v2GaXw59tOevNuonxn0yr3hsVC YxSOkCZ9.mt2rB4UJIpLJmMVYHi1HAXSFIyosNYA7HGOS2YijsdM3MyWTyPr eqO_v smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2013 00:11:56 +0000 UTC References: <005101ce6610$20c16c20$62444460$@uprichard.net> From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:11:51 -0500 To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] drain tubes - TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Battery box goes through the trans tunnel, you got that. I routed the vent tray through the firewall at the RHD blanking plate. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:24 PM, "Andrew Uprichard" wrote: > What are the correct destinations for the drain tubes respectively for the > vent tray and the battery box? I know one goes down through the > transmission cover (battery box, I think), but where does the other go? > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 19:18:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9974054C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A04B40398 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id moFp1l0031swQuc59p8oBL; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:08:48 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mp8o1l0122ymm843bp8oaB; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:08:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:08:48 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List s=q20121106; t=1370912928; bh=Hzd9K3DghZfR43lMX3W2ArjOvQkPbiM+7WpIQzO/d+U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=W1sxgM/yaJgkN5LByBW0mcHdli+xe83x2NzAYoPaESvnxOVAaFfPcY/8Z4mkLapd2 e95EiQidvrBgVN5l5oNtlDAabCwB281i/pgyZfXJ8d7swoBWFANblTgwn9/KuMFntQ biPgTisge7oNiUpyNEdlIU8Z4vjUioI4E0jtDfc8qGZotkbdh2Nx/cBiKP0CI8VYuh cVdLjyYTgg3OXU4eExYfhe6RzjUw7t9BQGjjtsfzlkGPrH+wbUtqXRbJ15l8YdDgEJ BlEhpoE6CQVQ2B8/OGNJVdh3fOMEVpOyVvQ9+wQ4STauwzEmxWnPLp7hDK3D0JlQ5+ 1mPvQJbq5PNoQ== Subject: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Our local British Car shop is swearing that all of the problems they are experiencing is due to Ethanol. He told me that he sees the seperation of the gas and ethenol, and that it is different colors This can happen in a few days (shelf life of E10 is a few weeks while gas is much longer). He says that it is gummnig up needles, damaging gas pumps and in essense making his and other garages that service our cars misserable. I am surprised no one else has made this statement when John raised this question. Is our local shop making way too much of this? Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 06:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D734055B for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE25403F4 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id n0T81l00L53lu50010T9DZ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 05:27:09 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:25:52 -0500 Subject: [TR] radiator cap - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had posted a while back that the car seemed to run fine, not overheating, but after running for 10 to 15 minutes the car would gush 1/2 a gallon out around the radiator cap. as it happens, replacing it with another 4 lb cap solved the problem. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 14:32:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF1240438 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B7403B2 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n7GH1l0050QkzPwAF8MhZT; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:21:41 +0000 Received: from RickPC ([24.22.169.14]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n8Mg1l0090Jyir48N8Mg8m; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:21:41 +0000 From: "Rick" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:21:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5m4UhKLXPawDTdQUGaqP/Vg2U3cA== s=q20121106; t=1370982101; bh=fOPyPU88RsEz4/hzNPbt546ov9vjeTRDnbs1W3zo7n4=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=EaWD+E1Uxfi6PdzfswgArMtcfnKiu1MDdEA6CCpNhylLSP/r4CNQgc4PLrS5DWUf7 +U3A+Ryy5qKzbw/AWMoUBATOOy5a5uoP/JJNOEq/itUsrwpQbDNz2kJZFNq6GynNq4 B3kbDejg8iiGj83caO2KftFvxQH4fUYF538+MArdwEzmOvHl01S7Dj5xRUIFn33kVt aEYVRUHBxJZ2ger2LJmmW5TYdfWBKWvipmxpAxj3k6/2ILHAVxKk3aZEWjVaVsMyeU Y2IhWpMoKvYIersUaEwtldXE2GEVRCztIUwXWXsgy3HWDEP3rHSiFx9zOYRNwkqBZ8 iVUN6P/CQ9KQA== Subject: [TR] Problem Gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Untreated ethanol-gasoline mixtures segregate over a few months. The gasoline phase is deprived of the ethanol, lowering its octane. The ethanol phase is hydroscopic, and in the presence of humid air, will absorb water, which coalesces into blobs and sinks to the bottom of the tank, just where the fuel tap is located. Our problem in the vintage car/bike world is that we use them infrequently and often store them over the winter, when time and humid air is working against us. Ethanol is not going away, so our solution to the problem is to adopt the discipline used by other seasonal motorized enthusiasts (boaters and skimobilers come to mind). 1. If you think there is ANY chance that the gas you are pumping into the tank will remain there for more than 60 days, use a stabilizing additive. 2. When preparing the vehicle for winter storage, leave one-quarter tank of stabilized fuel in the tank. This may be controversial, but I believe it discourages rusting. I usually drain the bowls on the bikes because it is so easy, and leave the TR3A bowls alone. 3. At spring start-up, drain a pint or so of fuel from the tanks (trivial if you have an electric fuel pump) into a transparent container and check for water blobs and debris. Repeat this step until the fuel is clear. Decant and then filter the extracted fuel with a paper filter and pour it into your family car. Fill the tank with fresh fuel (with an additive if step 1 applies) and enjoy the season. My vehicles are stored untouched for 7 months each winter, in a dry garage but with nearly constant rain outside. Since using StaBil three years ago in the fall, my fuel at spring start-up tests clear, with no water contamination. Rick in Seattle 1960 TR3A 1970 BSA 441 Victor Special 1975 Norton Commando 850 Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 14:36:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA06B40446 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mlr-cld.ties2.net (mlr-cld.ties2.net [204.169.20.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0824035A for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mlr-cld.ties2.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mlr-cld.ties2.net (mlr-cld.ties2.net) with ESMTP id D432C2006FD for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (174-20-8-97.mpls.qwest.net [174.20.8.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jdemuth) by mlr-cld.ties2.net (mlr-cld.ties2.net) with ESMTPSA id B785E20060C for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:30:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:31:00 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Ethanol in gas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have used ethanol gas in my TR3A for years with none of the problems sited by the PA mechanic. And I mean years, like at least 20, as Minnesota, being a corn growing state, was an early adaptor. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 15:22:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0A8403EB for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D34403B2 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MO800BFHZ4JYT81@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:17:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:17:03 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5m6QK6/CBG7/2hTJyxOcx1gfUmGw== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, I don't think they are. If my cars sit for more than a few weeks, they run horribly without treatment. Same for the mower and snow blower. I've resorted to using Techron or SeaFoam to keep the systems clean. PIA gas! Gary '75 TR6 '80 TR8 Severn, MD Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:08:48 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Our local British Car shop is swearing that all of the problems they are experiencing is due to Ethanol. He told me that he sees the seperation of the gas and ethenol, and that it is different colors This can happen in a few days (shelf life of E10 is a few weeks while gas is much longer). He says that it is gummnig up needles, damaging gas pumps and in essense making his and other garages that service our cars misserable. I am surprised no one else has made this statement when John raised this question. Is our local shop making way too much of this? Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 15:33:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B91240430 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D83400FF for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 06B1470057A5F for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CEB49E000083 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:27:41 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370986061; bh=crhZzayPn73456e75bqCMy6O/H4WRwZa9MlUyFDlPUQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lldlhJRolr/Q35jFHBze3hhPjqi9B6w8t5ftzjLwvfhzb87R9J4NREWvWTKOrLQJn HKrAxVhF6K0s/bRMLY9fJdm9JUdMwql1o8WhMLhAk7UI9vgSSVH1rliO363eG2zYnE 6jMO6NfRE8lxEYiPasdyYkprdEfdmDVssHlE8pSQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51b7964d7e1b Subject: Re: [TR] Ethanol in gas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 6/11/2013 3:31:01 PM Central Daylight Time, jdemuth@ties2.net writes: > I have used ethanol gas in my TR3A for years with none of the problems > sited > by the PA mechanic. And I mean years, like at least 20, as Minnesota, > being a > corn growing state, was an early adaptor. > As is Missouri. Once I rebuilt my fuel pump all has been going swimingly. The transition my be a little inconvenient but once you're through that there should be no problems. Come on in, the water is fine. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 17:20:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A934041E for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17640357 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n6Tc1l0031uE5Es54BEjTv; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:14:43 +0000 Received: from [10.236.191.51] ([174.228.69.21]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nBEX1l00w0TYKTi3cBEa1Y; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:14:41 +0000 To: "Rick" ,"=?utf-8?B?J1RyaXVtcGhzJw==?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:14:41 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370992483; bh=fkKlrYiKcWjlkWhVPST6WmThk/W4j/MvuX94bCjzJIA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p6MVWmh82KWhbcNBKHUkB4o+/wQaMmhwwcQLEP5r6NDLGs9BXQQmR6um0guaWOKNI 5h1uvYvtGZnMWcLneELDs1r1zo9h6Gs4+ffn+8ZJd3pskYZn36Qr13q759H2EcFzjT ab4pfUUNCbJrA6Uj/qqIxpJf3BPKzZvzLLaWk5Oq5uzdFv4qOCZsQ9BelKu2ZGiJRd ppVZqZ1dtyFjGroLFI4QfsWJs5h1cioUX9Zgr5UzjdjoXJ8sY13iSvp/7ruqUhaNPa TcsTitZJqRRjlGQOlu3+kaif4tMdbq6ktUXYdCi5QR8mbGCzrOhvQhvaVhnkDEJLee 3Z20fG+55A4Lg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Problem_Gas=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick! It rains in Seattle????? No!! ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Rick" To: "'Triumphs'" Subject: [TR] Problem Gas? Date: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:21 pm Untreated ethanol-gasoline mixtures segregate over a few months. The gasoline phase is deprived of the ethanol, lowering its octane. The ethanol phase is hydroscopic, and in the presence of humid air, will absorb water, which coalesces into blobs and sinks to the bottom of the tank, just where the fuel tap is located. Our problem in the vintage car/bike world is that we use them infrequently and often store them over the winter, when time and humid air is working against us. Ethanol is not going away, so our solution to the problem is to adopt the discipline used by other seasonal motorized enthusiasts (boaters and skimobilers come to mind). 1. If you think there is ANY chance that the gas you are pumping into the tank will remain there for more than 60 days, use a stabilizing additive. 2. When preparing the vehicle for winter storage, leave one-quarter tank of stabilized fuel in the tank. This may be controversial, but I believe it discourages rusting. I usually drain the bowls on the bikes because it is so easy, and leave the TR3A bowls alone. 3. At spring start-up, drain a pint or so of fuel from the tanks (trivial if you have an electric fuel pump) into a transparent container and check for water blobs and debris. Repeat this step until the fuel is clear. Decant and then filter the extracted fuel with a paper filter and pour it into your family car. Fill the tank with fresh fuel (with an additive if step 1 applies) and enjoy the season. My vehicles are stored untouched for 7 months each winter, in a dry garage but with nearly constant rain outside. Since using StaBil three years ago in the fall, my fuel at spring start-up tests clear, with no water contamination. Rick in Seattle 1960 TR3A 1970 BSA 441 Victor Special 1975 Norton Commando 850 Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 17:21:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D4140430 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A09F40407 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nB4T1l0021vXlb859BG7A8; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:16:07 +0000 Received: from [10.236.191.51] ([174.228.69.21]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nBFw1l0050TYKTi3dBFyNj; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:16:05 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9lIERlTXV0aA==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ=?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:16:05 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370992567; bh=SwaWGZtlgdRPOI1HhqH4Z01EStH6hIW2TrFF+DzSdr0=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DcUZJvQHsEXSlYlcK23+3k6qXzsrHB1xc3De5YLZnSY+O2NCwp2mc94fpX/1g99Ji FV2WS1XTeEZrpNKZrVsfOlku9NfHsJdB/C1zqu7GL6HJxMAAjRSNzKyoMBPTuswU7S UB92JWPHYkX4Cd4V4WCX1cS1LXrmGVsgkUCKiRjt8hbEdvV3LgPCzMua5i0HHMrW8Q C+B/TQt2UTMCPNTgTbIqYCIIw83hQ+Iaxq/GLI7uNv85l01i43v+uxEmJ4Bm8L4lAV r/sJnkMMuGZKJELCt1PiXXJcfQkv++ssxsi9xFz9ZCn2qeER5J7eOLiP1xmwib6ebH VYKzxegRPBwOg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Ethanol_in_gas?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'll bet you can find boat owners who can tell you some tales. Burning food is hard on engines! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Joe DeMuth" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Ethanol in gas Date: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:31 pm I have used ethanol gas in my TR3A for years with none of the problems sited by the PA mechanic. And I mean years, like at least 20, as Minnesota, being a corn growing state, was an early adaptor. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 18:06:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178AA4041E for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D11440333 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nAhv1l0011YDfWL51BzL9q; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:59:20 +0000 Received: from [10.236.191.51] ([174.228.69.21]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nBz81l00d0TYKTi3gBzBy6; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:59:18 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?R2FyeSBLbGVpbg==?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:59:18 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370995160; bh=YR2W8JsPSP9DWkErhaifIBu97R948XWeAD1+al91YBA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=neyrwbcz5zZSkRtru6bon4Eyp8uW1fmtGC1V3jUyIauBoNBrCQpXVpHD8awhgydsv Dt3+i816c38ZthP7zhybea/Ic1aUVz6icdho5X4KNa8b3jA/hnka27Ozbig29LstWn sbMETP+jYKQ7/8/bsTdPGoANcDPlhc0rbZmaSEYnvhuHYl9USQfzEKytngbFP4139I vdIyqOjhTKwf5rSejJ6PTV59C/s4FpQgPBf/xyWHLbeUGYGiXTme1MKED7xsRWSRwW VXSSxnxbkyQ3lSyt0DP5Y9uene22eLTHzpQ/6PgAD0ie0E3DGwHmnodbZClIMYaewX xO1qLOu4t+YdQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A__problem_gas=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Gary Klein" To: Subject: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Date: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:17 pm Scott, I don't think they are. If my cars sit for more than a few weeks, they run horribly without treatment. Same for the mower and snow blower. I've resorted to using Techron or SeaFoam to keep the systems clean. PIA gas! Gary '75 TR6 '80 TR8 Severn, MD Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:08:48 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Our local British Car shop is swearing that all of the problems they are experiencing is due to Ethanol. He told me that he sees the seperation of the gas and ethenol, and that it is different colors This can happen in a few days (shelf life of E10 is a few weeks while gas is much longer). He says that it is gummnig up needles, damaging gas pumps and in essense making his and other garages that service our cars misserable. I am surprised no one else has made this statement when John raised this question. Is our local shop making way too much of this? Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 20:24:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C487D403F6 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:24:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8462440079 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id n1so2455768qcx.8 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+yEhdilk4mcZbMmEq3YGFusE2HIsivarjML6wLNHZns=; b=VWR3eDXLIML10Bg8JLGnh6ciztA2DHJc+ubbg/XVO7dh068TWm4WnvgyL+5MfXkSdI pTv7ByE4WZWjaFY5ngxMrhyGRUC18oAQ/kmORbPaMtonPdWLez6b9EFC52V5Q18+Y8Lt tyNc1fYizg9X0pAXTCZyRWeTzCgBT2PhvvcdnH7Zqb1iUp4nggnaz0jJ7vjFw3FFeOII 3ZTyKk535PHAMJQSiDegOuOkFx5vU5/9wx/JQ45n6LMXgwKO0fA92e2N/wJLFdnHxI56 7Uod2uoMEjWZ+TZ2OqVyy2sEZ8FWXb8oSk0beWdf6BBZvLPiguL9RnwAFyT3A6vIGa3i /MjQ== k7mr6928183qcv.129.1371003450665; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.25.7 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:17:30 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] Overheating TR4 - outcome Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My problem was the voltage stabilizer. For reasons too embarrassing to divulge, the stabilizer had become disabled. Pointing the remote temp gun at the thermostat housing showed a temp at idle of 72C, just about right, and no increase upon acceleration. So, after all that, all I had to do was reset the wiring on the stabilizer and all was well. Good grief. Thanks for all your responses John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 03:19:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050CF40426 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 03:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59394003E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 03:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail138-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.225) by CO1EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.243.66.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:08:34 +0000 Received: from mail138-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail138-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E823C0131; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:08:34 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0210HT005.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail138-co1: domain of uga.edu designates 157.56.240.245 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.240.245; envelope-from=mathews@uga.edu; helo=BL2PRD0210HT005.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail138-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail138-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1371028112299538_4313; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.247]) by mail138-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A51CC0051; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0210HT005.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.245) by CO1EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (10.243.66.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:08:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (50.96.19.21) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.106.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.324.0; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:08:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:08:30 -0400 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Lee&John Howard References: Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 - outcome Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Embarrassing moments here can be the most fun! Glad it was a simple fix. Doug On 6/11/2013 10:17 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > For reasons too embarrassing to > divulge, the stabilizer had become disabled. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 05:23:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A115403B1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD4D403B1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9F9437005DCCD for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C610E000085 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:15:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:15:36 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371035736; bh=YHFXr66KUFf6Zm61YULVcyTBJiB8kAFsvbDjiX1nQDw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nHO4MtrHwWtbjI45IyymY2Q3bl5ZZSWXyThRZyUMSaHKjGy4CypSI4wkbijHC+Wvt wOyKU+alE38rcnn1QyXFc1pARnorvt9squzArSCONz36ZhKeyIDpW6Mtein/BN6178 2mVQd6prQr1FhD4sLka+ouTkhIAYg8x1S/5cAC0M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51b858583019 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting. My cars sit for months at a time and fire right up. No issues. My chipper/shredder sits for sit to nine months and fires reluctantly but runs fine once started. Are you sure it's the gas? Dave In a message dated 6/11/2013 4:17:25 PM Central Daylight Time, tr6.guy@verizon.net writes: > I don't think they are. If my cars sit for more than a few weeks, they > run > horribly without treatment. Same for the mower and snow blower. I've > resorted to using Techron or SeaFoam to keep the systems clean. PIA gas! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 05:43:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAC440444 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CF7403B1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5A87A70000088 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C8F9E000082 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:38:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:38:07 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371037087; bh=Jn1xvsqBQylIHWSwy5UnyRgI7qk6yQkYzRcSqez+8lY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zs8LOpwt2RhUhF+KkMZv9wIXh67embZ2HwUVbMrbW3BY3e1W732Fd9D7cR4Gf0FwR gCPcMBMVS49mVoZP587p49x7cp74WisixGZPDX+lXvCyJFZMtbQ8OV8hfjzF306tHj y8FjIVaPQadMPv9ev09mnvNInegFqUST9H2iv+Lw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51b85d9f58ad Subject: Re: [TR] Overheating TR4 - outcome Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If I had a nickel for every time I dug into an expensive subsystem only to find the problem was a simple/cheap fix... Dave In a message dated 6/11/2013 9:19:35 PM Central Daylight Time, leejohn7@gmail.com writes: > My problem was the voltage stabilizer. For reasons too embarrassing to > divulge, the stabilizer had become disabled. > Pointing the remote temp gun at the thermostat housing showed a temp at > idle of 72C, just about right, and no increase upon acceleration. > So, after all that, all I had to do was reset the wiring on the stabilizer > and all was well. > Good grief. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 05:53:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5631A403D4 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F11C403B1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU162-W27 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:48:06 -0700 From: tom white To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:48:05 +0000 References: <11eed.47956b08.3ee9b257@cs.com> FILETIME=[B41A4700:01CE6762] Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't normally read the list now since I need all the time I can get for personal care and life support activities. However, in this case I would make a suggestion. Find you local fuel depot. this is a place that store and sell several high octane products for sale to the trucking business but it is not a truck stop. Save up enough money to purchase a 55 gallon drum of110 octane racing fuel. I believe that 55 gals is the maximum amount you can legally store in your garage. Get a hand crank pump that fits the bung hole of the 55 gallon fuel drum. Now get premium gas for your TR the next time it needs filling. Only fill the tank to the 3/4 full mark on your fuel gauge. Then in the garage top off the tank with the 110 octane racing fuel. If you plan not to start the engine of the TR for several months put the recommended amount of "Sta-Bill" fuel stabilizer in the gas tank. When you start the engine of the TR again, months from now, shake the car to mix the gas in the tank and make sure the battery has a full charge before starting the engine. Then make sure the car is getting fuel in the carburetor before you attempt to start the engine. If the engine gives you any hesitation when you attempt to start the engine spray ether based starting fluid through the carburetors immediately before your next attempt. If on your next attempt to start thew engine the TR does not fire up immediately contact me and I will tow it off for you and put it out of it's misery. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 05:59:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279E240407 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3D440043 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:58:55 -0600 (MDT) a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=zB9c-D_oiokA:10 a=9NNEyz6_CAMA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=E_IZZo5VosoA:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=8QYOC_lJ-FT81DS01EEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:54812] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3E/45-20229-A4168B15; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:53:47 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , References: <11eed.47956b08.3ee9b257@cs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:53:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have the same experience, car sits all winter with the gas that remained from the fall and fires up and runs fine at first spring start. Are you sure it's the gas? JVV -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:15 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Interesting. My cars sit for months at a time and fire right up. No issues. My chipper/shredder sits for sit to nine months and fires reluctantly but runs fine once started. Are you sure it's the gas? Dave In a message dated 6/11/2013 4:17:25 PM Central Daylight Time, tr6.guy@verizon.net writes: > I don't think they are. If my cars sit for more than a few weeks, they > run > horribly without treatment. Same for the mower and snow blower. I've > resorted to using Techron or SeaFoam to keep the systems clean. PIA gas! http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 07:46:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DB4403E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E36403B1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DadsLaptop ([unknown] [173.69.211.35]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOA00E6D8MFTOO0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:39:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary Klein" To: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:39:47 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5nck4Lc6pmjrenR9O/HU+nV+XnOw== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pretty certain. The carbs idle jets in the mower/snowblower/generator become clogged and the engines will not idle correctly, if at all. Starting is a PIA. The mower would not idle and Id have to increase the throttle slightly to get it to idle but even then, it would hunt. Had to take off the carbs in each case and clean them and that's when I discovered the problem. My TR6 sits the most and it will start but it runs like crap and like the mower, needs some choke to idle. I started using SeaFoam in it last year and it helped but not completely. After I complete a few honeydew projects, I plan on removing and cleaning the carbs as I expect their idle circuits as clogged as well. The TR8 gets the most use and for the most part its OK. I have experienced a strange loss of power situation. The engine will not develop enough power to maintain even 55 mph. I think, but have not verified, that perhaps one carb float valve may be sticking. This occurred last year at the beginning of the driving season and once again before heading off to the Gathering in April. What I did was to run a high concentration of Techron in the tank and it stopped the problem. Is it the gas in this case? Maybe or maybe not but Im thinking about removing the carbs and inspect them on the 8 after I get the 6 sorted out. So from my experience, I am fairly certain in at least the power equipment, it's the gas and I expect it's also a problem with the cars. Gary --------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:53:59 -0400 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? reply-type=original I have the same experience, car sits all winter with the gas that remained from the fall and fires up and runs fine at first spring start. Are you sure it's the gas? JVV ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:12:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A624042D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002E5403DA for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:08:57 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=n6QW6qfAipQA:10 a=n-QujNZMAAAA:8 a=K2XRSe73ZOAST6uwMp0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lPsP7PMWMTEA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:43514] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F1/C6-25428-5CF78B15; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:03:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <005001ce6772$4e790610$eb6b1230$@guy@verizon.net> Subject: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The only engine I have trouble starting in the spring is the roto-tiller. I have to remove the air filter and spray gas in order to get it started. I then run it on 1/2 choke for about 5 minutes. Then it does run but sounds lean. One of these days I will have to remove the carb and clean it out. The mower, snowblower and power washer seem to be fine. I use stable in every engine when in storage. Starting 2 years ago, I started running alcohol free gas in all 3 Triumphs. I hope it stays available. No problems starting or running in the spring after at least a 6 month nap. Stabil is also used in the cars. The problem I have heard about alcohol is it will cause problems with the engine internal alloy parts. Not sure what is true. Another thing I have heard is that alcohol does not pack as much punch as gas. But if that is so, why do some dragsters use 100% alcohol? Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:27:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B3840438 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5B5403C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.108] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:17:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371046638; bh=5HQ1LVEjBTn7/oKjKXC67lZ5MFEvCRs8A2E87Y6f5Nk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=RYV/+wkRkrFGNNeY+/mgEybTMMpvIB6lZ5CWwOrwnZfyxBEJTHAxOyIRe6KxLvt5Pmr6LhjZjUroquOOn2CndjI1k0nBYEqJIH7oxUMp/Pex8vDRPyoSzmmgj0Ai51WgGNKe/PprlySSNdi/R1MoqyzxealMS8jVff00rZdX97c= o13DQ2vu6hfko3d97ecNseE0sF6yX7CwB4xz.6vAhEsjHvyHTIVJTq8t.HyB RE7NjBQ.XjvQoX3NJw5ckz.UrVc_25v95aOL0NSNWYejP9g4WQ03WHhaj17d zV8SHPsAwbNAd4dIgOIQBLp_pk4i7wvgvoUpHaL8cZX5o72TTRvxrNHAONdL DFDEdgd3.Qz54C8QtNvQBOMZM8mZ5qNRaNS7hIK06zanWDVOH51LCVZRiTrD u0qDMbJTqCxTKtljEy0sVktpTuFsNj3AM9uiVoXLLmK7UIO.6Og_QuETPtrc TRHXmCUARCSvTtvjiAX_0bLXWpy3WJCPuxfwfho8fD18UxwfRykTEjsHjrOP LOctkoP3uvwxVCgpAg.l5dfvHR1awbFCotFQ.IhwvxtwEo2YsRDSgz5CHQg1 1vWGkRUKRnrN1ZjrINrKFbHLU.rls1GAXCAi62GZFue6wNbtlrZR5tLWrgW9 gXVOIiKjqrUxPrLk98r3Qg2ENi0MW3eg1Bw8wFscl99yrQxMEn8JHBecKHrS fqWBtLLHDosGTUbnMFBE8eRR4KxbBtG8UJ7XcgbTa plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2013 07:17:18 -0700 PDT From: Berger Bob Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:17:16 -0500 To: Listserv Triumph References: <005001ce6772$4e790610$eb6b1230$@guy@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I normally dont have problems with the fuel in my spitfire, but this past weekend my manual choke would not return all the way when I pushed it off. The knob was all the way in so I had to manually twist the choke mechanism to get it to shut off. I havent taken it apart yet to diagnose the problem but Im wondering if it is gummed up. Ill start by disconnecting the cable and see if the spring will return it on its own. Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Gary Klein wrote: > Pretty certain. The carbs idle jets in the mower/snowblower/generator > become clogged and the engines will not idle correctly, if at all. > Starting is a PIA. The mower would not idle and Id have to increase the > throttle slightly to get it to idle but even then, it would hunt. Had to > take off the carbs in each case and clean them and that's when I discovered > the problem. > > My TR6 sits the most and it will start but it runs like crap and like the > mower, needs some choke to idle. I started using SeaFoam in it last year > and it helped but not completely. After I complete a few honeydew > projects, I plan on removing and cleaning the carbs as I expect their idle > circuits as clogged as well. > > The TR8 gets the most use and for the most part its OK. I have > experienced a strange loss of power situation. The engine will not develop > enough power to maintain even 55 mph. I think, but have not verified, > that perhaps one carb float valve may be sticking. This occurred last year > at the beginning of the driving season and once again before heading off to > the Gathering in April. What I did was to run a high concentration of > Techron in the tank and it stopped the problem. Is it the gas in this > case? Maybe or maybe not but Im thinking about removing the carbs and > inspect them on the 8 after I get the 6 sorted out. > > So from my experience, I am fairly certain in at least the power equipment, > it's the gas and I expect it's also a problem with the cars. > > Gary > > --------------- > > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:53:59 -0400 > From: "Jerry Van Vlack" > To: , > Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have the same experience, car sits all winter with the gas that remained > from the fall and fires up and runs fine at first spring start. > Are you sure it's the gas? > > JVV > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bberger720@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:33:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDFF403FC for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E67403C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hq4so541076wib.14 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:28:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=VSFmn211LtMcjNTpwPlcRJAfm0zNzuC2LGbWrhPrx7s=; b=Nh1FHvQtbYnwbXdCW+8mlrVPsFCggDzroQyOWxOWTe2hFkHOE5/EuzdYkcFkkn8NKe 6G9ED7NBFy5r94cEru+4whdsGPTwHuveEz59ddaAw+T3Cgug7G/cwvYOOZ8/bxbJAtWC QctFrTTxlEtnz5397m2rdxei4fzgGrnJttH9w8l2INKoc/vCFeu4CrbqxCjrHig5kA4d uLOL4qUQtqzcJkHCoA0YokcuOg9FnwtTbwyIYJjU5pimXXfMlahW+3EWp9Bo5FDVaEsg pqFKY+i85kJPQHrOlYgAhgOL/qaIbcSI76KOCEI59DFMnn2Wc+BSrYDIsy3Ypi8QOPHS Eeeg== kw3mr12119346wjb.64.1371047283556; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <51B87FC6.2030607@adelphia.net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:27:43 -0400 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "Alcohol" is a general descriptor of a chemical class, not any particular molecule. Dragsters used methanol (a 1-carbon alcohol), and biofuels are normally ethanol (2-carbon). These alcohols have the advantage of high octane ratings, and racers liked the detonation resistance fershure. I'm not sure how much "fuel" is methanol anymore -- others can probably update us there. >From Wikipedia: One liter of ethanol contain 21.1 MJ, a liter of methanol 15.8 MJ and a liter of gasoline approximately 32.6 MJ. In other words, for the same energy content as one liter or one gallon of gasoline, one needs 1.6 liters/gallons of ethanol and 2.1 liters/gallons of methanol. The one to watch is butanol -- the 4-carbon alcohol. This one has energy density similar to gasoline and easier storage/transport. The biofuels guys are working now on conventional or enzymatic cracking techniques to take ethanol to butanol. Don On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: > The only engine I have trouble starting in the spring is the roto-tiller. > I have to remove the air filter and spray gas in order to get it started. I > then run it on 1/2 choke for about 5 minutes. Then it does run but sounds > lean. One of these days I will have to remove the carb and clean it out. > > The mower, snowblower and power washer seem to be fine. > > I use stable in every engine when in storage. > > Starting 2 years ago, I started running alcohol free gas in all 3 > Triumphs. I hope it stays available. > > No problems starting or running in the spring after at least a 6 month nap. > > Stabil is also used in the cars. > > The problem I have heard about alcohol is it will cause problems with the > engine internal alloy parts. > > Not sure what is true. > > Another thing I have heard is that alcohol does not pack as much punch as > gas. But if that is so, why do some dragsters use 100% alcohol? > > Bob > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/don.hiscock@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 08:43:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E81D403F9 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8C1403C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.106] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 14:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18409 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2013 14:35:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371047703; bh=hhh6UIC4bvmnL8u1nc30nFqNjF90Lg9wb7HxIc/00Us=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O7WEexfisb7GQiVWDC/tQL1/KJw4kXKCWXMtg5uUazHYWLrEWO7uuKxZnE19bgTwstRygmXRFBSGEybi3VY33et1XgK2Zyn595LRud6pH0fxZaDv+b1QqG9CIWvEuwP5v9R5rwPZFrPnPTkqZtGaYf/XhjHSWJUCLoTPRyuNaXA= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nUm4gyRQ1WQmnBRxdAccbf9WmGtxqIlHBDb0xmj9QjqXWVUlTTMP2poNs2dJak09qxIKWoYcZSoXFX3ceYWcoF0yOdBIMPMh96wGS1XCgozCGJLjTbxgjhqxonpNFMQXo7uYZMKZdckFZCKD/ljer8gX8oPHg7jihDjMtK8MrGY=; yF8YMQJPRK_RzlpVRVeBvFMoAPJLhUyvnBxwT0fFagjIgb_ZihL73uzWCm8E iQKd0e0mR3YGuBHiB2MZQ5Gd9i5UuRMcycK.ZY7fkZUX8JUV26MJHa12OmC_ jBb2AJQuuOvec_Sj6jFQJ0Rw7KSSEkScHt89xMqQYocQcCeBOXAD4vdxU.2c 60yWPf0bZU5cTeDwDqJDY.lmtqFgB_KZqL55klx1ZqPjkYaQawvh6409RRQY q0Dp58UFMf4G5IZ.TAMvTD9u4VpobvdVRuwktrlpIDADUBxGpF0PFSPEjzRX .Js9xajt.xz7_MLTLQm872lrC9DoLAZfttQNqAyBRN1oqMLU2XH5blSaQ3Vk 4l_3407PFCPuyWshB0VSBHmpK1YvlynCpsQsH9T1LaW47FV5U9xPqUYBLTAq RwlbS4K5tYj70xt94coB1bWl8ZnmGnYF2GhSxVI7_fscXG255XzG.qgEEI5p z5ShB.tyF_ifpkBzCvA-- Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:35:03 PDT SSBoYXZlIHNldmVyYWwgVFIncyB0aGF0IEkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHJ1bm5pbmcgb24gZXRoYW5vbCBtaXggZnVlbCBmb3IgcXVpdGUgYSBmZXcgeWVhcnMgaGVyZSBpbiBDYWxpZm9ybmlhLiAgVGhlcmUgaXMgbm8gZG91YnQgdGhhdCB0aGlzIGZ1ZWwgZGFtYWdlcyBydWJiZXIgY29tcG9uZW50cy4gIFRoZSBTYXRlIGdvdmVybm1lbnQgc2FpZCB0aGF0IGl0IHdvdWxkIG5vdCBlZmZlY3QgYW55dGhpbmcgYnVpbHQgYWZ0ZXIgdGhlIGxhdGUgNzAncyB3aGVuIGl0IHdhcyBmaXJzdCBpbnRyb2R1Y2VkIGJ1dCBJIGgBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have several TR's that I have been running on ethanol mix fuel for quite a few years here in California. There is no doubt that this fuel damages rubber components. The Sate government said that it would not effect anything built after the late 70's when it was first introduced but I have had several newer fuel lines develop pin holes. If you happen to have some older fuel lines laying around the garage you will notice that the part numbers keep changing as they modify the materials. My latest "find" was the overflow line in a 1976 TR7. It was completely wasted. Fuel would pour out of it under no pressure other than gravity from the inch of fuel above the line. The 1981 TR7 had the same problem when I bought it last year. Generally I replace all the rubber components on any car that I buy and have been doing so for years. Once that is done I have not had any issues other than reduced power/mileage due to the lower BTU content per gallon. All of my cars have been converted to use unleaded fuelor were built to run on unleaded fuel. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 09:44:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AD440437 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:44:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2365F40430 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9A00B70049C8E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 491C7E000087 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:38:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:38:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371051518; bh=LQUxsWWc0qP2sY7tt65WsUtTdMziPPf1F6CIVqytFUw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TlmAdacZsWh8YJA/ahi/9oa4ty/TmjKjtDX9Jwu38587dV7Nb58cazdLcLv0LC+TG CuykfCzY03+GtPBfDQ1wVN+4JgzKYEWMUBts7ncIDOpDrnXJgPPIw2yeQMMY4LidHa cr6uBtLYNo5qNr6iBR2eIwff8ZVq6PBmC+HSOJ8I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c51b895fe526e Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been told by folks in the industry that butanol also does not attack the rubber components in the fuel system the way ethanol does. But will it be economically viable? Ethanol is on the cusp. Further processing suggest that butanol will not be. Dave In a message dated 6/12/2013 9:28:11 AM Central Daylight Time, don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: > From Wikipedia: > One liter of ethanol contain 21.1 MJ, a liter of methanol 15.8 MJ and a > liter of gasoline approximately 32.6 MJ. In other words, for the same > energy content as one liter or one gallon of gasoline, one needs 1.6 > liters/gallons of ethanol and 2.1 liters/gallons of methanol. > > The one to watch is butanol -- the 4-carbon alcohol. This one has energy > density similar to gasoline and easier storage/transport. The biofuels > guys are working now on conventional or enzymatic cracking techniques to > take ethanol to butanol. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 10:30:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FDE40425 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F634403E6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BD38A70057B65 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (254.sub-70-193-7.myvzw.com [70.193.7.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 544DBE00014E; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT) References: <4239b.3a1e0c11.3ee9effe@cs.com> From: Jack Mc Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:20:01 -0400 To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371054002; bh=YlPkdUEWDhs2/2TWucIqCVPYK4iUyZMpvw8Yb02UIX8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=dH/Ph8+XeHpl8miu4qGRUiuQF1Zt0gkXULmWlmlXFTqVHRjYa3IGTE7OO53TwJXhP LOIb2ri3mYeU7P1CEf0oVIYTyAKNoCrMJTx35bC0E685AZSNMqVus8KWolvYRG1+Z0 HjSH+Lg5PwWQhcNxsevwbsRo7OEDXY5dQgfj34U4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338451b89fb27604 Cc: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't want to turn this into a political discussion (and won't participate if it does) but I don't see how anything as heavily subsidized by the government as ethanol fuel production in this country is, could be viewed as anywhere near the cusp of economic viability. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > I've been told by folks in the industry that butanol also does not attack > the rubber components in the fuel system the way ethanol does. > > But will it be economically viable? Ethanol is on the cusp. Further > processing suggest that butanol will not be. > > Dave > > In a message dated 6/12/2013 9:28:11 AM Central Daylight Time, > don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: >> From Wikipedia: >> One liter of ethanol contain 21.1 MJ, a liter of methanol 15.8 MJ and a >> liter of gasoline approximately 32.6 MJ. In other words, for the same >> energy content as one liter or one gallon of gasoline, one needs 1.6 >> liters/gallons of ethanol and 2.1 liters/gallons of methanol. >> >> The one to watch is butanol -- the 4-carbon alcohol. This one has energy >> density similar to gasoline and easier storage/transport. The biofuels >> guys are working now on conventional or enzymatic cracking techniques to >> take ethanol to butanol. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 10:50:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E899840401 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DACE403E6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id k10so687949wiv.7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=FQXDwfg4W6BsSvelHwwXLuwJAunUpvH1cs0ADYDfTgU=; b=sldJenN8QltEUHEJoveDfhVzp9JDkmEZiGMF0kdE+EyCXHW9PLEW5kvyKb5+oSv+hk pv6D1Ux0ug8/CJf3RlzCea22wCDmTEjOSa7uYAHCEjHz2BxdfKMOjJLtqLi4XyZWDWEc vZxpiKx/ilqFRYpnBzhYdT/w5PXKrp+jzSnTn473QKmddQno0VdcpmeCGr3nflxr5pCC 8/WL7JSczJPPBrwZ/NCHoDrbJx79gFQeioOL7BIsmNZsLTtWOeoHhSHG1p4Y6LLhbdx0 DoT/bS2lB8eS8B6Q5zshKbsJQbPDo//m5isNorlbehL3MObVEpU7crqKpCQn5Yt4c/2N Go1w== wb9mr1490163wjc.90.1371055489256; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:44:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <4239b.3a1e0c11.3ee9effe@cs.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:44:29 -0400 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, yes I'm told too (by a friend who's a CEO of a corn ethanol company) that biobutanol will be handled exactly like gasoline. We were having a drink the other day as my TR3B was parked on the street in front of us, and he pointed to my car noting that butanol would be indistinguishable from gasoline in it. One of the other developments underway is cellulosic butanol at some point, too.. DuPont and BP have a venture that is ready to break ground on an ethanol/biobutanol plant from corn stover. More from Wikipedia on butanol fuel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel). In theory, about a 10% consumption hit for butanol. Gasoline: Fuel energy density 32 MJ/L RON 9199 MON 8189 Butanol fuel Fuel energy density 29 MJ/L RON 96 MON 78 Don (who doesn't care about the politics at all in this discussion -- just the technology) On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM, wrote: > I've been told by folks in the industry that butanol also does not attack > the rubber components in the fuel system the way ethanol does. > > But will it be economically viable? Ethanol is on the cusp. Further > processing suggest that butanol will not be. > > Dave > > In a message dated 6/12/2013 9:28:11 AM Central Daylight Time, > don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: > > From Wikipedia: > > One liter of ethanol contain 21.1 MJ, a liter of methanol 15.8 MJ and a > > liter of gasoline approximately 32.6 MJ. In other words, for the same > > energy content as one liter or one gallon of gasoline, one needs 1.6 > > liters/gallons of ethanol and 2.1 liters/gallons of methanol. > > > > The one to watch is butanol -- the 4-carbon alcohol. This one has energy > > density similar to gasoline and easier storage/transport. The biofuels > > guys are working now on conventional or enzymatic cracking techniques to > > take ethanol to butanol. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 11:15:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFBB4040D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E77403E6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nUhM1l0061vN32cA4V4o4Q; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:04:48 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nV4n1l0090GAcNo8iV4nWd; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:04:48 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: References: <11eed.47956b08.3ee9b257@cs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:04:52 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5nY4+pcH1yyIAKSZu8B/IlVrXPzwAKi2vQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1371056688; bh=sppGvE1D/jBPmlgpzIuoeEwRkx2pWlZE7yPlBSRX0+A=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=li3Ns+lqOTXpVbAhb8hKyoZc6XURyVmedN0398VygaHner/Xoh23WOcZxfViYKSdI bdC2JP8AuSM6qn9ymTKarla4l+Uyx44CQmVk39+v/iW2vZnioqZd12WrgR1Ijjm4t5 XKTvu4WybnfJMacmOVCbMDRfY8FfrkmiZBNnHwJJndIFyAFXsBR2jJpaleYvDohiJs Evkyg6bKCi+8TZmh2S0XpHAXPPuMBq+H7nnZeC9mGKFQFrYCFZUsqCZUCM1ZSZ1hFl sN/jFg/aNbITmZDss/3VjfmAxqawdJlFG5LGMolYtF+e/peH4Wyz/n94nZ5kpcJSPO 6tuNf8wUfzwWg== Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is it possible that the different formulations from state to state has some influence on the variety of experiences people seem to be having? California is always blaming the "special" formulations for the inability to import gas from other states, keeping supplies down and prices up. Maybe we're getting something for the premium price? Just wondering. BTW, I don't seem to be having any problems and my TR and truck could sit for a month without being used and a lot longer without adding fresh gas. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:54 AM To: Dave1massey@cs.com; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? I have the same experience, car sits all winter with the gas that remained from the fall and fires up and runs fine at first spring start. Are you sure it's the gas? JVV -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:15 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Interesting. My cars sit for months at a time and fire right up. No issues. My chipper/shredder sits for sit to nine months and fires reluctantly but runs fine once started. Are you sure it's the gas? Dave In a message dated 6/11/2013 4:17:25 PM Central Daylight Time, tr6.guy@verizon.net writes: > I don't think they are. If my cars sit for more than a few weeks, > they run horribly without treatment. Same for the mower and snow > blower. I've resorted to using Techron or SeaFoam to keep the systems > clean. PIA gas! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 11:35:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC13403E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from roproxy2-pub.unifiedlayer.com (roproxy2-pub.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 15B68403C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20641 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2013 17:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy2.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.71) by roproxy2.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2013 17:29:50 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.74); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:29:50 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=51625 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Umorm-0003oJ-H4 for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:29:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:29:47 -0500 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" From: Tony Drews References: <005001ce6772$4e790610$eb6b1230$@guy@verizon.net> <51B87FC6.2030607@adelphia.net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's true that Alcohol (Ethanol) does not have the "energy density" of gasoline, and if you have a fuel injected car you generally get somewhat worse mileage out of 10% ethanol fuel than out of straight gas. Dragsters run a much richer mixture with alcohol (Methanol) (and crazy compression ratios). Top Fuel dragsters run 90% nitromethane and there's enough oxygen in the nitro that they can run mixtures rich enough that if combustion doesn't occur they'll sometimes blow up because they hydro-lock. THAT's some crazy stuff. Tony Drews At 09:03 AM 6/12/2013, Bob Labuz wrote: >Another thing I have heard is that alcohol does not pack as much >punch as gas. But if that is so, why do some dragsters use 100% alcohol? > >Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 13:54:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30CD40401 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9450E403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5ADF370040697 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mua001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mua001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.129]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C00B5E000088 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:38:00 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: davgil@aol.com Received: from 72.54.9.38 by webmail-vd003.sysops.aol.com (205.188.20.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:38:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:38:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371065881; bh=uCRfT3qyxgCMx7xYkxPQH/TvjqVX2qbjS7rxTmmzJPE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gKhNOGN01VwhgY/80Xj5pXi9JIj6g6kyKb2CyhpOW1TncbGtvmLWzAuGFmlijUPn7 HP7PviAuknMRfEpOA6SaZerpRB/o3CWhm77i9bMSfhUjltX2zWcAR5Gfa3TzmAjfqm h3eFKHgSeyC+oGCHyOdcO9mn8UaAH+5Ii/1rowas= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951b8ce180780 Subject: [TR] ethanol in gasoline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To the list The discussion of ethanol and its impact on fuel systems makes me think of a problem with my 1976 TR6 that I will have to deal with shortly. I keep it at another location and when I was there a week or so ago, I smelled a strong gasoline odor. I have had a problem with the gaskets in the carb float chambers deteriorating and leaking gas so I guessed that was probably the case. Unfortunately I passed by the car a little later and saw a puddle of what looked like heavy oil near the left rear tire. I touched it and it had a strong gasoline smell. I was otherwise occupied and when I got back the next day, the puddle remained but there is no longer a gasoline odor. Unfortunately, I had to leave before I could investigate the situation. My fear is that the fuel lines have deteriorated allowing gas to drip onto the ground, carrying something with it on the trip, probably dissolved undercoating. I don't know of anything else that would be in the rear of the car that could leak other than the differential, but I don't know of any reason that a leaking fuel line would cause it to leak as well. There was distinctly a strong gasoline odor to this substance. I won't get back for a couple of weeks, but does anyone have any ideas as to what I should consider as possibilities. Just an aside, the car is parked on a concrete floor in a garage with no ignition source and is directly under a fire sprinkler so I believe that the danger of fire is minimal, which is why I was comfortable waiting to deal with this later. David Gill 1976 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 14:40:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B171740533 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm45-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm45-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.121.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB6403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm45.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 20:23:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 20:23:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2013 20:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 41168 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2013 20:23:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371068613; bh=ldZ/kjBXOiKicFDSoPTHcymOBZQucssX5X4aepzVjPg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=09F1F+RqKBjW5YnNyXTqrg2A0g6+P+w4JuuvfoFMTahXBNV24lW25fXWUpqByySQPF/7CQLTQNu9X4FyPEuhNjqDMKK9FacZoJMu2sw2a1Z3NTvuHwJr4LE09cSOE7yhgJOU7w45qiBUd1BAM0t90MS7kGi1I1fzWbRockVcPZ0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Hm2TmbFIvFusrNL+TSNn52SHdnFvU+Dxe5h0pLzskm+1iE4krzEUdQdncj3DJzvKT4KHGpUrUTdp7f8ddiNJ21cUNNP+2N6FSHDlgGNnLCDUwUF6fA/fQmtKhBLM1OimjFh16D67Yvc59cavmL2WHLFT1wfwayFgGTpnODqI7Hg=; PFzdS3uQu6eOk828gPSksO9AgP742CioDADMl2YfJLEbSCjsLVnJaZzTrX4z m4Nzhp_2SOsxHaCkVMeHNotM_y4.tAoB1_u_MEgcNPvQoR4srQ3uPz8VC7yL fUvW6j1rZc9Dn0HUb7RgZtD4cwLUcocTD1rqrGgYzWVG6mcb8QFJwQRj.p2j 84QBtNu0YHUWkAI81BIfFC.hKT11J1K3fwqiWdhyHywavZbs6EGUzyTut8Pw I_HM1vBhzqu6zwejmvgyeBOdD_K5VApj.jrizLBIr7YeFa_VHKGe3BeOrCGs 1RZgcxxb1DeutvTmrDa_vw3gUljg7FA0hlgfG_CJ5uafk5S5oC8M8_XQBwEW uwpDOgtnebTa_PzjvdQoaqNbxisGp7Zyxy2hTOgh7H5_r2bOtaQzeObM05K6 IJgplTEjbu9yPPtetsB1bzR.rMgEzg5sAfGQCdIGj7O1kJFAVQShbgRfAmwu ICutn1XPLOjuI8Q2rjlRBz9_6Q1qZoAyKBwOu_QKQpthO Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:23:33 PDT c2VlbXMgbXkgcG9zdCBvbiB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG5ldmVyIG1hZGUgaXQsIHNvIGlsbCByZXNlbmQuCsKgCkkgd29uZGVyIHdoYXQga2luZCBvZiBydWJiZXIgd2UgYXJlIGdldHRpbmcgZnJvbSBjaGluYS4gd2Ugd29udC9jYW50IHBheSBmb3IgZG9tZXN0aWMgcGFydHMgd2hlbiBidWlsdCBpbiBzbWFsbCBxdWFudGl0aWVzIGFuZCBuZXcgb2xkIHN0b2NrIHJ1YmJlciBpcyB3ZWxsIG9uIGl0cyB3YXkgaW4gaXRzIGxpZmUgY3ljbGUuCsKgCmhlcmUgaW4gVGVtZWN1bGEgQ2FsaWZvcm5pYSBJIGxpdmUgaW4gZGUBMAEBAQE- References: <8D035BB7B6D9E8E-1590-4BF0@webmail-vd003.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] ethanol in gasoline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net seems my post on this topic never made it, so ill resend. I wonder what kind of rubber we are getting from china. we wont/cant pay for domestic parts when built in small quantities and new old stock rubber is well on its way in its life cycle. here in Temecula California I live in desert conditions. peek summer temperatures can get to 115 ambient and substantially greater from heat soaked areas like the pavement and buildings. there is one outlet in town that still sells fully leaded 112 octane gas. it runs about 14.00 a gallon. for off road use as "race fuel" only. no ethanol. because I don't do that many miles I was running the TR3 on it until the local laws caught up with me. one must now produce a race license to be able to buy the fuel. no race license here so no more leaded gas for me. I was able to run leaded fuel for over a year. I do not see any noticeable performance or degrading rubber difference on running California unleaded to the leaded gas I was using before. I cant recall the last time my modern day car would not start. but I do recall the days back in the UK when coming out of the house and hoping the car would start to get me to work on time. I recall lots of issues that caused my car not to start. including the fact I did little maintenance because I was poor. I also recall the diaphragms on the ZS carbs where a constant source of failure. they would fail about every 12 months as I recall now. I help maintain 2 friends Triumphs here in Temecula. 2-TR3's and a TR6. had them on the road about 4 years now. we have had a few issues that in hindsight could well have been the same problems we had 40 years ago. so I find it hard to say modern fuel is hurting my rubber parts. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 14:41:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0E640444 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E44E403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 03F2670049CB8 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C6AF6E000082 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:27:57 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371068877; bh=qC30IyF3XWg3R6kHCRTXo2OB01Emw9jdgEQ50lMlVTc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uq+9L2hzkw2eG1XuBvDPeYxE7uHFhDYGf2tUYq1lTXT8/Tso5w9thqaEvNEA22B0a K63bA8Ck3eiDcHqW8WW3Jp2JqzcWIec1nnWzclGC97jE2XMk0bVMGT0dPFPiZrbTVL 3stGYuh51BkpcBPzN6t7iK7bldknLUtkWh0Pl/So= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c851b8d9cd700b Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As if the petroleum industry isn't subsidized... My reference was in Energy sustainability. The energy put into making the ethanol is either a little more or a little less than the energy you get out of it depending on what study you look at. Dave In a message dated 6/12/2013 11:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time, McGaheyRx@aol.com writes: > I don't want to turn this into a political discussion (and won't > participate if it does) but I don't see how anything as heavily subsidized by the > government as ethanol fuel production in this country is, could be viewed as > anywhere near the cusp of economic viability. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 14:54:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AD040515 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A00403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nYN41l0071vN32cA6Yhh7x; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:41:41 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nYhh1l00C2yr1eL8iYhhtP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:41:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:41:41 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Dave1massey@cs.com s=q20121106; t=1371069701; bh=Ecv2eM5Iz4Z1AL5G3r/pOiRPVTVE1UbfBq6lLjwDeF8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CPOGiGUAQgbJ4WCtf/E6vIrPMuRbQNU3iGONsD8vLllh0LCS45wpnpnocfKC0/rDq KH0V1R+HTLAObQyhFU9uskt7LjjJMOq68m9mXMBkXuYzEDZEV3LnFY95KVgTuz9CZZ UJMhq8hxA1uTJIbkGwsaOxCZ01xbjPOUIcv1iEEsBz3+EGaoJbBcHnPehNK50PusUa OuGCG0ZgqdyZ2RjftCoihF/s2iTvg5tstfB7O96Bio7VJBJUiEhB9w0VXflros6PKG z+m7LH0RxHnVe8X6rGQ0+rZ/QKuGdFEWhMyPYYRPeAeGmOvLyQvFQtvKMCjhNBE5pL TXKK+BRIEZOKA== Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave1massey@cs.com > To: Triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:27:57 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? > As if the petroleum industry isn't subsidized... > > My reference was in Energy sustainability. The energy put into making > the > ethanol is either a little more or a little less than the energy you > get out > of it depending on what study you look at. Study, Schmudy. If you can't run the plant on ethanol, it's a scam. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 14:55:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADC6424D8 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1606D403E2 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EBA667000008A for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8761BE00008F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371069824; bh=8mxF96avXmROOWItX4ppD+ysVLIEVGHCQAoUPNyxxoI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xkOBMcdpOOFVR1yZL0NLVxIbibrvehMcfqfj16Jo2vqifq/UPkK/5+Yr189uN5ejH D6ux7pklsUpXTgE6Blxfm51ALGDgZ8EbSVa0EfxX5Fu+9Z/JhrRMGulJCVXpNGdQwm D3S4N8pCTcORXmPJqFjn2Nft0Lf45VmWS0Xf6Jpg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290851b8dd800c3d Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Butanol looks promising but I think his statement is a bit over optimistic. The wiki article specifies a 14.6:a A/F ratio for gasoline and 11.1:1 for Butanol. The car will run but it will be a bit lean. For alcohol fuels to be viable economically they will have to develop techniques to use cellulosic materials rather than just corn syrup. As a friend of mine says, extracting hydrocarbons from cellulose is like trying to extract cement back out of concrete. It can be done but it takes a lot more capital investment. Dave (staying technical) In a message dated 6/12/2013 11:44:59 AM Central Daylight Time, don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: > Dave, yes I'm told too (by a friend who's a CEO of a corn ethanol > company) > that biobutanol will be handled exactly like gasoline. We were having a > drink the other day as my TR3B was parked on the street in front of us, > and > he pointed to my car noting that butanol would be indistinguishable from > gasoline in it. > > One of the other developments underway is cellulosic butanol at some > point, > too.. DuPont and BP have a venture that is ready to break ground on an > ethanol/biobutanol plant from corn stover. > > More from Wikipedia on butanol fuel ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel). In theory, about a 10% > consumption hit for butanol. > > Gasoline: > Fuel energy density 32 MJ/L > RON 9199 > > MON 8189 > > Butanol fuel > Fuel energy density 29 MJ/L > RON 96 > MON 78 > > Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 14:55:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4844940568 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA40C403E6 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6414E7004068A for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3A568E00008F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371070081; bh=giOlL3e/Oqkko6ipDQER8nz6jqYzcBiCbv4/1YAdrT4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hhQr+XCI24nC8DSfRc/UIskbrzFfC6owKLIdBbwZGdXy16g8gCZ0TM6OoQ/IiADuN EB00QwIERRROsDzOm76rHIQY0PqgdAFAtsNUBnk2rsMcGdrQFn5wHIMuuPV6rtVzbm zUQifkXM3Ye3y8jSPoYMQKqAvUrP45DJw7GzlQhM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c951b8de811dc5 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ethanol or no, the evaporative control system has a lot to do with how long the gas stays usable. I've started a TR6 that had sat for three years on the gas that was in the tank. Let gas sit in a vented tank (eg: TR3) that long and you will have a real mess. Dave In a message dated 6/12/2013 12:10:40 PM Central Daylight Time, kinderlehrer@comcast.net writes: > Is it possible that the different formulations from state to state has > some > influence on the variety of experiences people seem to be having? > California > is always blaming the "special" formulations for the inability to import > gas > from other states, keeping supplies down and prices up. Maybe we're > getting > something for the premium price? Just wondering. BTW, I don't seem to be > having any problems and my TR and truck could sit for a month without > being > used and a lot longer without adding fresh gas. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 15:09:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78CD40510 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B62F403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id m15so6222349wgh.11 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=yIfJL9i9D5BIHwXBKemjgQ2VngwSmwlmFHnvkWl3yWU=; b=h6ckvLE7ml6WvdzrRYTGp7P8mdT4Cm8Q9N91fuCELcY8AIhnc7LWZoN7PemGfXN472 /lW2pTMlv7KseSg40lULr5h2J69n+EeAjkNmBqoTgcsTw+xSp3ZpYZkKFSL4iX+GsyZF ZaFabbpF1mEzeoTri4uRO7dZ3Zp3dXLee8pf7chY0EWJwy+yXgRdcbsWpBuZk1p4S2O5 Rzv2MV/K1Z+C50qFer33bsWyPwBXo2IsIbqsGjwTZzo2sNS8faq71xyGvyrkx35GfdOQ 5IRKa09Te0oNyOYNwV0lFHM/d+Rxnote0rD8/p+SJjF/HMPHn8kRmVmZ2rEnkm0VolHt U9TQ== kw3mr13179428wjb.64.1371070810466; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:59:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <37677.b43cdcd.3eea3780@cs.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:59:50 -0400 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yup, we're going to have to richen our mixtures. Maybe find some new needle setup, too, when butanol comes. Cellulosic ethanol (or butanol now, I guess) has been a biofuels dream for many years. Lots of work on the subject by university and industrial researchers. The fact that DuPont and BP feel they're getting close means at least a little bit -- those guys aren't complete idiots at technology and making products. (Having worked for DD for over twenty years, the company's abilities aren't completely unknown to me). At the same time, it's not trivial, as you say, Dave. Nature created starch to be an energy store for the emerging seed, and it's rapidly broken down into things that provide energy as a result. Nature created cellulose to be a durable, load-bearing element in plants. The simple change from alpha-linked anhydroglucose units to beta-linked makes all the difference in the world, and turns the polysaccharide into a structural polymer. It's a good thing, too. If the cellulose in trees were subject to ready enzymatic degradation, my back yard would be a mess. One to watch. There's enough effort being applied to this that some sort of *technical* success is likely. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:43 PM, wrote: > Butanol looks promising but I think his statement is a bit over optimistic. > The wiki article specifies a 14.6:a A/F ratio for gasoline and 11.1:1 for > Butanol. The car will run but it will be a bit lean. > > For alcohol fuels to be viable economically they will have to develop > techniques to use cellulosic materials rather than just corn syrup. As a > friend > of mine says, extracting hydrocarbons from cellulose is like trying to > extract cement back out of concrete. It can be done but it takes a lot > more > capital investment. > > Dave (staying technical) > > > > In a message dated 6/12/2013 11:44:59 AM Central Daylight Time, > don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: > > Dave, yes I'm told too (by a friend who's a CEO of a corn ethanol > > company) > > that biobutanol will be handled exactly like gasoline. We were having a > > drink the other day as my TR3B was parked on the street in front of us, > > and > > he pointed to my car noting that butanol would be indistinguishable from > > gasoline in it. > > > > One of the other developments underway is cellulosic butanol at some > > point, > > too.. DuPont and BP have a venture that is ready to break ground on an > > ethanol/biobutanol plant from corn stover. > > > > More from Wikipedia on butanol fuel ( > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel). In theory, about a 10% > > consumption hit for butanol. > > > > Gasoline: > > Fuel energy density 32 MJ/L > > RON 91 99 > > > > MON 81 89 > > > > Butanol fuel > > Fuel energy density 29 MJ/L > > RON 96 > > MON 78 > > > > Don > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 15:10:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178A342709 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D605403E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1F90070002C54; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EBEFCE000085; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT) To: pethier@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371070816; bh=0IbtcklNuZOsuqA3ryoz7QwwksirUKi7nRjPUZmR4Ow=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LL/GVhfaqjrIbWpN1fXqc/6/WSkVajdMj46HOxQA/L3HCGbJI+loV8/ShNVJv1w0X w8i3zy/EnLeKwb6P25om+VMebLkIH+3smfzBWsqcHdAR7ceKRUK9QjvhJsICQ1cIlM wPyhgywZui3GHBElnOYaCA08huk4SULDNCVsZtdI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a51b8e15f327e Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, Phil, do they run these plants off of gasoline? Ethanol is a gasoline substitute not a coal or natural gas substitute. Actually, ethanol is mostly an oxygenating agent for smog reduction and doesn't show up in ground water like MTBE. Dave In a message dated 6/12/2013 3:41:42 PM Central Daylight Time, pethier@comcast.net writes: > >My reference was in Energy sustainability. The energy put into making > >the > >ethanol is either a little more or a little less than the energy you > >get out > >of it depending on what study you look at. > > Study, Schmudy. If you can't run the plant on ethanol, it's a scam. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 16:10:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8684044C for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A806403E2 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nNkR1l0041swQuc5EZvTq9; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:55:27 +0000 Received: from [10.251.111.79] ([174.228.3.227]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nZvF1l00x4tsnZ23bZvJ9x; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:55:25 +0000 To: davgil@aol.com,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:55:25 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1371074127; bh=WZDo1fb0MeTu1PaXwjYZ2fLaDKtk1KPcgPpAdrCffgw=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gDNmL6MagpWRKBvpvfDiajaUnTmkJM2D9MTqsJ7fSnwyCGZ1NmG4wb/H5SxWyTd4x 0yCdzM4opEvgPyC0FnmubbXyW0W2lHAU9cKCgAUBMURIUzLwlEnFWHOmI8A+uygCkv 4RirctOJzHvIppxqBqeDWmhtCye/jKhADUYtgNkJRiyPk6UcUaEXk7P/9swAAiJug5 +D+H2yKWjbX1zo0HDq521t7xYOPr//veq0wcPD9DvDIwnmfoCEvkTwX4HLJjRddAwS 2614MgyEyka0qI722c+M/7Q9y3D+qHFlkdNNAlOcEbx8b8e0VhuCIG4M7W+CYVfB4E hhHakX0s89ajQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?ethanol_in_gasoline?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Apparently, the contents of gasohol has been known to destroy plastic floats. There is a benzene component I am told that does it. I know there is a new closed cell foam float for some cars, indestructible by the new stuff, that's available. I've got brass floats in all my cars, so I've no first hand knowledge. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: davgil@aol.com To: Subject: [TR] ethanol in gasoline Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 2:38 pm To the list The discussion of ethanol and its impact on fuel systems makes me think of a problem with my 1976 TR6 that I will have to deal with shortly. I keep it at another location and when I was there a week or so ago, I smelled a strong gasoline odor. I have had a problem with the gaskets in the carb float chambers deteriorating and leaking gas so I guessed that was probably the case. Unfortunately I passed by the car a little later and saw a puddle of what looked like heavy oil near the left rear tire. I touched it and it had a strong gasoline smell. I was otherwise occupied and when I got back the next day, the puddle remained but there is no longer a gasoline odor. Unfortunately, I had to leave before I could investigate the situation. My fear is that the fuel lines have deteriorated allowing gas to drip onto the ground, carrying something with it on the trip, probably dissolved undercoating. I don't know of anything else that would be in the rear of the car that could leak other than the differential, but I don't know of any reason that a leaking fuel line would cause it to leak as well. There was distinctly a strong gasoline odor to this substance. I won't get back for a couple of weeks, but does anyone have any ideas as to what I should consider as possibilities. Just an aside, the car is parked on a concrete floor in a garage with no ignition source and is directly under a fire sprinkler so I believe that the danger of fire is minimal, which is why I was comfortable waiting to deal with this later. David Gill 1976 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 16:13:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D9A4042D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C7A403E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nWaX1l0021GhbT85Da7zPG; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:07:59 +0000 Received: from [10.251.111.79] ([174.228.3.227]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id na7n1l00o4tsnZ23Ta7qcg; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:07:57 +0000 To: Dave1massey@cs.com,Triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:07:57 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1371074879; bh=9QMK91uWqD95MqVZ0J+bxV3kNNcHdqNdu5aUBVWrhjg=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Osnl9WqfP6nRme9+EcyNdYDzJdDH0vWDCtQklq1DEZCedpPZ4Qs9QCbGt3U/E7tOn +g4XXRyIe/ci5Co85C3L2vRAsY7bBTFIfLf0yjXNDv9sjkST85U9wz6i3tro64zMGE SWQvRBS9dox8U1sJ4+5mUHyNKFz1ameOAB3sILfK1iAA2iPR1eotBwJV73UQ5R4Zcs 3/nbOOrjp2ED1Kw3WOJBZ1xCAvR2mtdYIiP3slh2hqxAJP2HpKnlPhpykQJsQYV6Cg AsjRF1nbQayWjth6yMt+Hvep/TQkekfndBrjFQTO48iRfC/SZ9Dqs7l1nttgx80+3c 5xrC1q59i0pyw== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?problem_gas=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Burn the food, drive your car while prices for food soar. Makes sense. Why not use wind or solar? They're eternally "on the cusp" of viability.... Why not use...gasp!.....the most energy dense stuff we have in quantity to run cars? BTW, the RON of modern fuels is not bad. The 91-93 octane alkygas has an effective RON of about 97-98, so all is not lost. The UK and Europe use different methods to figure octane, so if you're there you'll have to figure it out. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Dave1massey@cs.com To: Subject: [TR] problem gas? Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:27 pm As if the petroleum industry isn't subsidized... My reference was in Energy sustainability. The energy put into making the ethanol is either a little more or a little less than the energy you get out of it depending on what study you look at. Dave In a message dated 6/12/2013 11:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time, McGaheyRx@aol.com writes: > I don't want to turn this into a political discussion (and won't > participate if it does) but I don't see how anything as heavily subsidized by the > government as ethanol fuel production in this country is, could be viewed as > anywhere near the cusp of economic viability. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 17:00:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB57040533 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57A0403FC for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 10so6445333vbe.5 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:52:30 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=uBRDyaJh5KIgv9mm0yeEmXc/5XdOQukojBEW9CMzujo=; b=oKhMn31giu7c4BaPiQnwf5/XnmbZW4VfaPq2tZPmUzOVacPLmUKT5eNmILIK/GR056 zZleT5Y4MvFXHg3pHcpUYlb29J1RrKPalyEbIAXMHG/vk1VD8EkU96fIOZNXqKi+OUWD f7mH9Wja5NZRUemFSkDCuOUukBtmngpJi5qeynqQYK7z2WLAELMTfJiyOV7UFyqBBprt OcviLi5gk9Ut90td5xW0Xggaj4zqMgLdGnDQ/uar7hAoSXaCA2jDj93t7j431RD0rv2X wcwRbAhYbS0G1binzkCK9uexaY3P+nY1oazylKLhz2b3+PXH8524ViHYQALEg9E2kslH j1Tg== Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q2sm5907914vef.3.2013.06.12.15.52.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:26:36 -0400 To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] 60 TR3A overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The overdrive on my 1960 TR3A has been engaging slower & slower. Today on the way home from work, it would not engage, so I just turned it off and drove home. I am naive about the overdrive, other than using it over the years. What should I check first??? I have a 4 years old Dan Masters electrical system which works fine so I am reasonably sure that is not the problem. John John A. Wise, Ph.D., CPE The Wise Group, LLC Ormond Beach, FL JohnWise@alumni.Pitt.edu http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 18:14:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C074051F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F3E403FC for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ec20so8487210lab.13 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:52:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RLRZ4P9GkOdIGYXvw1dGaQgJW38KuECFtywQd68mMDw=; b=ds3iB2fkGPaGOZQPNsYZR4GgpX7IRC2XkiuflppKqIdocIYA9W2TPMpC5NrRh3JPSO b4uu5j41KjItkUHN1unswmJIIJtKgswlcEMJufmKy1YEca7k59EKGyy+bLH35xs503q5 DAOvCTirohXlHsFItDEDTZ5leAxOHidoU6y4YqkuV0gclSSubNE3WZKjYDQhgE4RLWZH A/ZZ2w1t8N5CjsnfN5a+T8ltIwN+sv/c7Y0ZrTQVB3QsN5GQjEB981ZkLeycItzuLhse mlumEtWxoAX3wmXj2ZvePEB8vXzfeIlR6dve6miu8pmbkWRNYNNvzNmGDnFshtKBbrBY 4UyQ== r12mr10741434lal.46.1371081175006; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.115.137 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:52:54 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:52:54 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: John Wise Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] 60 TR3A overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John - Very first thing I would check is the oil level in the gearbox/OD. Geo On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:26 PM, John Wise wrote: > The overdrive on my 1960 TR3A has been engaging slower & slower. Today on > the > way home from work, it would not engage, so I just turned it off and drove > home. > > I am naive about the overdrive, other than using it over the years. What > should I check first??? I have a 4 years old Dan Masters electrical system > which works fine so I am reasonably sure that is not the problem. > > John > > John A. Wise, Ph.D., CPE > The Wise Group, LLC > Ormond Beach, FL > > JohnWise@alumni.Pitt.edu > > > http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html > > > > John Wise > Ormond Beach, FL > > 1960 TR3A > http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html > > 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) > http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 19:34:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0548640525 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A69140322 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2013 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.130] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2013 01:21:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2013 01:21:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371086493; bh=ArYhuV8eeQbJ8GCArQQftofBfX6059RmB1Tgrur44p0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=41mEsnf770A2PfP7sZBCwSi3Kjc2AEuNBrDELh/rwPM5j1ivinqwCU4nyzSSvinmeEzcMAs3LYknZoMseLOyuP8pmbnsKz5nL3I5UCsDTmZmhz6pXgdhiy7b+Cc1wxoBPx47NOChhM+uxvbZ1M/egshbQ/0ld92qrtIR2wIhW5M= i2.xEEN3zVbhfxj4VUgwiKN7NEgqyHWIMwLtoNv6TyJXzgB7KGvYCRECMpWR .1g0gpAKVAO5.T.jUMbHqmLtTinMrV6c8kgLvb0qui_Erfft8MlQcwI4znW7 nkQ4XiRzjnt3pIHzVCZHcc7LEuJSZ9Ke1YbCYqMzkrWA.ac56qtrdfUJVH9a PuZqTJFbPWjRcHZr6cpIeh6af7KHv1oLlWfTkoXFq3ZEHxRU9JEoDNcuH8td nedeG1GSMd6In4fWC87E8uxGZUfLyL9QCJZRPECBT4.DgWGW6FDM2yQe1p3G PDbMapWYTTOv9JqktPcQ.tJ6nUi0dgpbqxiRVL5tyAVjkPzfZBdQVuLf1KCv GyBukLMq32_bpOSoyrYg1OyREpNOexN00g_1GtJ.aZpCEuLYFc2JczSpSuti .6LKXnxXvJEOuXk8Q874wGlgs5_uysSzUUg4ARn06JKFIG_vTZyyey0khZzl NXvCkg9uIIFddzgmmbdp_MBs5WT51DwwjtGFCAKxgdlOU1tDMXu21HI7cVmr 8n6xs smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2013 01:21:33 +0000 UTC References: <37826.3759396c.3eea3880@cs.com> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:21:34 -0500 To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been running unleaded ethanol mid-grade in the ' 58 TR3 for for the 5,000 miles that it has been back on the road. Never a problem, car always starts and runs smooth, not unusual for a tank of fuel to be 2-3 months old. I tend to agree with Jonmac's comments that the new fuel is cleaning off some heretofore untouched crud that is contaminating the system. With the original fuel pump and SU carbs my system may not be a sensitive as some of you with more modern cars or components. Just another thought.... Bill B Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > Ethanol or no, the evaporative control system has a lot to do with how long > the gas stays usable. I've started a TR6 that had sat for three years on > the gas that was in the tank. Let gas sit in a vented tank (eg: TR3) that > long and you will have a real mess. > > Dave > > In a message dated 6/12/2013 12:10:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > kinderlehrer@comcast.net writes: >> Is it possible that the different formulations from state to state has >> some >> influence on the variety of experiences people seem to be having? >> California >> is always blaming the "special" formulations for the inability to import >> gas >> from other states, keeping supplies down and prices up. Maybe we're >> getting >> something for the premium price? Just wondering. BTW, I don't seem to be >> having any problems and my TR and truck could sit for a month without >> being >> used and a lot longer without adding fresh gas. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 20:03:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD2C40557 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA49B40417 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170019pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOB0028F6IX8W50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.79.204.66 ([173.79.204.66]) by vms170019 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:52:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:52:09 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have to throw my two cents in even though I did not want to: 1.) We heard this story about unleaded gas, not an issue. 2.) We heard this story about zinc in the oil, maybe an issue, resolved with additive or Brad Penn. My emails to the list with oil analysis proves it. I am using Brad Penn. 3.) TRF is selling Lucas gas treatment. So, I posed a question to the list about the difference between Stabil and Lucas gas treatment. Never got a response. I treat each fill up with Lucas from TRF, and I use Stabil in the winter in the TR and all engines in the garage. Run all dry except for the TR. Don't shake the TR, don't drain any gas, don't do squat. I use high test fuel from Shell and it is 10% Ethanol. I replaced all rubber fuel lines with Ethanol proof from Moss. I have seen no issue with carbs, fuel pump, fuel filter, fuel separation, or any of the issues described. The TR can sit for months, pull the choke, never put any charge on the Optima battery, I have a disconnect connector on it that I use in the winter. Turn the key, fires up, drives like it is summer. >From my side of the pond, this issue is not an issue for me. Just one TR owners opinion. Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 20:45:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BB940448 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9549240400 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3D2DF7007DA09; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 01B54E000081; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:35:30 -0400 (EDT) References: To: tr3a.60@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.145) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:35:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:35:29 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371090930; bh=4Dm82EuEI7sRXo+qwQnpEQfbWdWAnc0zfOufDbWT30A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EZd7llJoO1wkubwGYpMugapSlHTE9rfLwrazYNvpDZkZKNDVrCFLpdqxr+JphZgGq cWQ2wmdfSZi4giat3wd3R6xupj5RJ8AlMlp56uLAKrkCJagZ7ZHFXTs+whfTZSUaVG hduMkYmdIsEH4UHSAO7OE5idiKUzyuufLXVYhAS8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51b92ff20850 Subject: Re: [TR] 60 TR3A overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First check the oil level in the transmission. That's the way mine behaves when it gets low. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: John Wise To: car discussion Sports Triumph Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:55 pm Subject: [TR] 60 TR3A overdrive The overdrive on my 1960 TR3A has been engaging slower & slower. Today on the way home from work, it would not engage, so I just turned it off and drove home. I am naive about the overdrive, other than using it over the years. What should I check first??? I have a 4 years old Dan Masters electrical system which works fine so I am reasonably sure that is not the problem. John John A. Wise, Ph.D., CPE The Wise Group, LLC Ormond Beach, FL JohnWise@alumni.Pitt.edu http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 12 20:46:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E474273F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941E740417 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:45:22 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=9NNEyz6_CAMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=E_IZZo5VosoA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=52c8mqek1-IqtmMgfjgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:62766] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9C/F9-09005-B0139B15; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:40:11 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: <19356305.1946679.1371088329948.JavaMail.root@vms170019> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:40:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Craig, I have a number of vehicles, the Triumph sits quite some time in winter, I will go out and start it to circulate fluids on a day when it gets up to 40F or so, so it probably doesn't sit for more than two months, but never a gas problem, I don't generally put ethanol in the Triumph, but have done it on occasion when I have needed gas and end up at some station that doesn't have premium without ethanol. I do sometimes put ethanol (10%) in the lawn mower, it sits about five months, I never drain the tank, or put any additive in it for the five month hibernation for winter. It starts up and runs fine every spring, or at least has so far for the 3 or so lawn mower and 25 years or so of my home ownership in my adult life. I will add that my midwestern farm state heavily subsidizes ethanol, but it is labeled, and generally you have regular, at about 87 octane rating, mid-grade, with 10% ethanol, usually 89 octane, clearly labeled, and 10-15 cents a gallon cheaper than regular, and premium usually 91 octane, and about 20-30 cents more than regular. I do like having a choice and having it labeled though. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:52 PM To: Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: problem gas? > Have to throw my two cents in even though I did not want to: > > > 1.) We heard this story about unleaded gas, not an issue. > 2.) We heard this story about zinc in the oil, maybe an issue, resolved > with additive or Brad Penn. My emails to the list with oil analysis > proves it. I am using Brad Penn. > 3.) TRF is selling Lucas gas treatment. > > > So, I posed a question to the list about the difference between Stabil and > Lucas gas treatment. Never got a response. I treat each fill up with > Lucas from TRF, and I use Stabil in the winter in the TR and all engines > in the garage. Run all dry except for the TR. Don't shake the TR, don't > drain any gas, don't do squat. I use high test fuel from Shell and it is > 10% Ethanol. > > > I replaced all rubber fuel lines with Ethanol proof from Moss. I have > seen no issue with carbs, fuel pump, fuel filter, fuel separation, or any > of the issues described. > > The TR can sit for months, pull the choke, never put any charge on the > Optima battery, I have a disconnect connector on it that I use in the > winter. Turn the key, fires up, drives like it is summer. > > > From my side of the pond, this issue is not an issue for me. > > > Just one TR owners opinion. > > > Craig > 1972 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 06:18:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0611840524 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f176.google.com (mail-gh0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21C740322 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z17so1407102ghb.21 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=gJJjWdgJQwOF+krwBKwPpquqivM1imrQOKPbxZ0Y/7k=; b=BtfwrPgLCtHNmu/rvgosjoM3mjy0JgU4wOEqW6rD9IFh4avucAGja76NgMHwUx/tTV bz+ybpUEs7UP08dKBZBaYeNWaBdpfE8TIB/z6AJZxa5dF0W+yC9SxsIhG5SRZiN4ylrk gT/PHcmAhZwdL7XHEYsLge8Ap+vZLYaLI40puCf2Wu6UbBlFGNc1WQOTn6pkLTu5YpAF JGxl78DMgsBGqm2QIOGMbTHkEPH9pTmns705R4ACKue4Pj8U1Mckxug5rgO0SjvLpxH/ sRS/vWjwpZUrmCWIC+cfMprVVnVbeYbVOU/M3sgZOKVI7NPS6qoulhTCozTWQxybYY3E z/Ag== Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j64sm33875062yhj.25.2013.06.13.05.13.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:13:02 -0400 To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First thanks for everyone confirming my hypothesis of the tranny/overdrive needing some oil. My plan is to drain & refill it. I looked at my records and found 3 different brands/weights over the past 10 or so years. The same goes true on the recommendations that I have recorded from the time the car was living in Phoenix. What is the current wisdom for tranny/overdrive oil in a car that will likely be staying Florida?? Thanks in advance John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 07:04:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AD140450 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699184042E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.100.74]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id nouP1l00J1cJKce01ouQZM; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:54:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'John Wise'" , "'car discussion Sports Triumph'" References: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:54:28 -0400 Thread-Index: AQE/zvHQclfa++TkOY93R/oveursY5pQzDfw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Castrol GTX 20/50 in engine and gearbox. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Wise Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:13 AM To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil First thanks for everyone confirming my hypothesis of the tranny/overdrive needing some oil. My plan is to drain & refill it. I looked at my records and found 3 different brands/weights over the past 10 or so years. The same goes true on the recommendations that I have recorded from the time the car was living in Phoenix. What is the current wisdom for tranny/overdrive oil in a car that will likely be staying Florida?? Thanks in advance John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 07:04:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5DE4053E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0140519 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nmoh1l0071wpRvQ57oytTG; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:58:53 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id noyt1l00H2ymm843eoytEK; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:58:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:58:52 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: John Wise s=q20121106; t=1371128333; bh=efyODxLSFa4mGWiCWmbrBj4oOdApdF1StqDmbp1ffOQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=aGkYNTb4QDCJhR3am9hEdSAueGIyvPaouPN/M5yX15O2kGY3uTIHtMrUElTysawTF mge0kfBRsdpApg96Q5s1xHrXx06i7jKYw863W8nqBCD9Gm6nctPqbB0v2zEORzMvUI sQS73gt3l6SRbf6Xx6b5JnmF4A19WcRinuWRPHezeBQjZ9ctZETZ7qZi9wWNrxttVb 2Mx+l5ZJ0bJKe6D0ggGDTGtVz1YEHCn6K7ULhbNAMDJ5ARQ4N7v0XV4RNgo+p6ZNn/ jqaV0vzysFF4e1NN2IjtWhyLZuMJo0LOgZTu/PiacUv8fUJlPNxBboToIuexWq05UT lNBkbt93XVZwA== Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Redline MT90 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 08:50:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E2B4053E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B7E4042F for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:44:54 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1371134376; x=1371739176; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=y8+g8PGHh/L8N27oI9L56pZMk4t6GdxE1NfvUpsGK/8=; b=BVr U+Xi7jSNxggeFeaHCiG+NzEBnl2T77GF3xPiyU7U7K1yxG5k2yDbCwo53/UgGlt4 QRto13DuRQtakcRHJiVEBhYcuC8QmZTcoBKkqKrW5tAErR2aYvi8ZjfOA0f0E1uv P93TRvqc0G1p12kZFTC+rD2thgoDczy1URfcn/Tg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=zOJuMVfBSvRy18M1OgecF4gwe2XDlhBy2V9YUv6xHMc+mID5oXhXBdURaBN3 jYuUdhNfZS5yAnCcRj/g4eUGMP32W4XODdP7HIZ1MVuV35aEj5k8dlyQG oC4DDQkhqGeN+ScjcB7GIVF7sy8rfLxhrggPdpPpM27B4nzDSgogto=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 08-md50000135792.msg for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:39:34 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:44:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'tr3a.60@gmail.com'" , 'car discussion Sports Triumph' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For me it's: Castrol 20/50 in engine Valvoline 20/50 racing in transmission Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Wise Sent: June-13-13 8:13 AM To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil First thanks for everyone confirming my hypothesis of the tranny/overdrive needing some oil. My plan is to drain & refill it. I looked at my records and found 3 different brands/weights over the past 10 or so years. The same goes true on the recommendations that I have recorded from the time the car was living in Phoenix. What is the current wisdom for tranny/overdrive oil in a car that will likely be staying Florida?? Thanks in advance John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 09:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD3B40558 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371BF4003E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170080pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOC00IEZ7567A40@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:03:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170080 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:03:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:03:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed before) Carl Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 06/13/13, John Wise wrote: First thanks for everyone confirming my hypothesis of the tranny/overdrive needing some oil. My plan is to drain & refill it. I looked at my records and found 3 different brands/weights over the past 10 or so years. The same goes true on the recommendations that I have recorded from the time the car was living in Phoenix. What is the current wisdom for tranny/overdrive oil in a car that will likely be staying Florida?? Thanks in advance John John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 11:40:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6848D4042E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FC0403E2 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([208.81.50.18]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ntUf1l00K0PZN7C01tUfaf; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:28:40 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I use 80-90 or something of that ilk. always full synthetic. in dallas, tx redline for the tranny, anything else (full synthetic) for the diff -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:03 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed before) Carl Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 06/13/13, John Wise wrote: First thanks for everyone confirming my hypothesis of the tranny/overdrive needing some oil. My plan is to drain & refill it. I looked at my records and found 3 different brands/weights over the past 10 or so years. The same goes true on the recommendations that I have recorded from the time the car was living in Phoenix. What is the current wisdom for tranny/overdrive oil in a car that will likely be staying Florida?? Thanks in advance John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 11:40:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C814044D for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C5B403E2 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:33:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([208.81.50.18]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ntUf1l00K0PZN7C01tUlbE; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:28:45 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "car discussion Sports Triumph" References: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:25:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net one of the wisest things I ever heard: be sure you can open the "add" plug before you open the drain plug -----Original Message----- From: John Wise Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:13 AM To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive oil First thanks for everyone confirming my hypothesis of the tranny/overdrive needing some oil. My plan is to drain & refill it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 18:35:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790F442FCF for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744AA428E2 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 27C19700000A3; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dld001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.1]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F1C85E000086; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:24:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catpusher@aol.com Full-name: Catpusher Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:24:42 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371165883; bh=yh6k60W0Y1yaNjanV8pZC+cPjZl5rFNy6IHfzYewWJE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gyooMvchX5aqkXnWjMRvJQIk5M+Gi5CGOkoBp8x2MtTqtTEQ8zqS1jQB4aMHcYVQF u32wUiMFdSYjTyf0xWhJOnERCfb11rFWCO0VKAwg/t4NjeRfzn1ZGTfNUq7deK29zU D9pem3CUSuI45YsJJQGdw3AVKBwPk+nAhUIx0ypM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51ba54ba5de4 Subject: Re: [TR] Subject: 60 TR3A overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Please keep in mind that the oil pressure that operates the OD also lubricates it. An OD pressure gauge does wonders. If the solenoid adjustment slowly slips, the same sequence will occur. Redline Gear oil. TR Regards, Hardy -----Original Message----- From: John Wise To: car discussion Sports Triumph Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:55 pm Subject: [TR] 60 TR3A overdrive The overdrive on my 1960 TR3A has been engaging slower & slower. Today on the way home from work, it would not engage, so I just turned it off and drove home. I am naive about the overdrive, other than using it over the years. What should I check first??? I have a 4 years old Dan Masters electrical system which works fine so I am reasonably sure that is not the problem. John John A. Wise, Ph.D., CPE The Wise Group, LLC Ormond Beach, FL JohnWise@alumni.Pitt.edu ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 23:35:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF7342868 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D73D427EF for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=GmZLbNwinwNfepISf1Cicg==:17 a=o-L7d8X3vBcA:10 a=XA2_3MwsCfYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ec157T2eIksA:10 a=RYzKt3xoTINpE_5_5_MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GmZLbNwinwNfepISf1Cicg==:117 Received: from [68.188.4.130] ([68.188.4.130:49628] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 58/87-22496-8BF9AB15; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 04:44:41 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Carl TR'" , References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:44:39 -0700 thread-index: Ac5oRyyRw+M5lAKERfunSQRPvU+bBgAclNsg Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and > didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed before) I use Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in the diff since about 1985. Works great. Redline MT-90 in the gearbox/OD (both A & J). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 02:25:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E2840405 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58534006C for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 08:18:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 08:18:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 08:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 58249 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2013 08:18:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371284339; bh=1JRW3r93GFA5zeAq1/t4jGBnNEuCFqMPvBeJ8jOE7XU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X8lScPSke+r+7pKydB2DZOtJdL6MsEalCuZ7j7Q/uonb3FxcIefG5HN8xjK8X4mZYJfWieKVtUerc8ygSck5Fn19ieHEUdyz+SpygjEIK+A9xXvdBUwk0UI1Gk9shHqcNWgs21g6+9BmosTuwLYKa4Jv/9f6IHwiL5J9+ee3Pvs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t/uW7KYmOPCXo/McKTS/LKhcnANehK14Hbrew6t7jTZ8sTBOY9N3rTKu5LRNFLUUi3e0eT9OqFu/tkfHVkVfQDc9qjl2uIdL4ue8D6eIg317rzQm6H4rH8bNMShy0IQOubQBQxMTeqjSP+pVCxVQHfATanvHycFyOGnZ31vaELM=; bNPryHRmpjmJA5WVbvyo3zo94D56t7FPM6r_Wgnf_hf_r9DeA1FHPPwe4So1 h9U1EpuIGL8cg1kIDDL.._8y7p_YHkVpB5KuJOHpB6EDZnvkzlAm4fEUz6Pp pjg9GUC7W7VQ9Y4J.ciXSBUra6urug9tb5CoKMOf3YQbPzPiXtZa8rbDq3_K _m5WiJRd2i7oxpOl223GpR8UMfB8QJkKuk9T1SMotggjF_aeDRnd1hcmu7.F u7GPmn3I0wDi_vGAVDSQ9WRs6e.DLvjLYjE0kwcrRZD5.hrThnDAnCoJ.PLh P6U3g.AJ9BX4su7UYK.T.1bfIQNvrwjWDPyoY3ranT8kHOyEtUiAQgbA7njQ cIxOcinWxd376rxwk9gD25m41rA8mAWTGONl0EkCKnsNLqLbeq.HGNatEj8T DsMr9Dbaqz7Vd7ujX_2bY6Mrk1etxQRIOyKjWqRFqUxAISy.BLqNkx2HFk2z XZLQCJevNtxM4tEbBkWF2_SOg8VJ2nXeDM2sJGj8q_NaDNQzRNWWmzH2yJsK OxFrEVQU- Received: from [195.93.21.74] by web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:18:58 PDT CgpIaSwKCkhhcyBhbnlib2R5IGVsc2UgZml0dGVkIG9uZSBvZiB0aGVzZT8_Pz8KCkkgcHVyY2hhc2VkIG9uZSBhIGxvbmcgdGltZSBhZ28gYnV0IGl0IGxlYWtlZCBvbiBpbnN0YWxsYXRpb24gYW5kIHdhcyByZXBsYWNlZC4gSSBkaWRuJ3QgZ2V0IHJvdW5kIHRvIGEgc2Vjb25kIGF0dGVtcHQgYnV0IG15IGdhcmFnZSBhdHRlbXB0ZWQgdG8gZml0IHRoZSBzZWNvbmQgb25lIGFuZCBpdCBsZWFrZWQgdG9vLgoKQW55Ym9keSBlbHNlIGhhZCBhbnkgbHVjayB3aXRoIGl0Pz8_ATABAQEB References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Cherington To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Has anybody else fitted one of these???? I purchased one a long time ago but it leaked on installation and was replaced. I didn't get round to a second attempt but my garage attempted to fit the second one and it leaked too. Anybody else had any luck with it??? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 05:02:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8574043C for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685BF403EB for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1207E70000097 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E1C17E000081 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:59:11 -0400 (EDT) References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.199) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:59:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:59:11 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371293952; bh=KY8O+L8kel9ATYrwi8P6tVB6aJMdlrDigYS9/4kMVdE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JsNX8D/XLDRnVIzUIcsdQzPkiGYZGLjbdEPTitdqOiVyW1vSXG9vs4szrf5s7KFOK gi39XGyx2sR0OSe0FMVvJmpOL59sPi9HBKtuBW4zbBug24/ekZRm/2jZMpUAf3ZJX9 ZEnH2I2DhRYmbbUYSkkdP9UuhS+bFgQd8HY3iEIo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51bc48ff3f48 Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Where is it leaking? I got one second hand (about twenty years ago) and the bolt was too long. I think there is a piece missing. A piece that works with an O-ring or two to seal off the bolt. In a pinch I stacked up a couple of washers slathered with gasket sealer and bolted it on. It didn't so much as leak as it weeped. More recently I bought a small bag of sealing washers (http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-sealing-washers/=n79sn1) to do it up right. Turns out the bolt was still too long (missing part) so I found a tight fitting flat washer and between that and two sealing washers I got a good fit. It works so well that the bolt head is now rusty. If your leak is where the body fits into the annular seal check the sealing ring. A perennial problem here is too many rings. An old ring may still be in there and not sealing well. Also the casting may not be true in which case it will never seal. This would qualify as a defective part. I love my conversion. I get oil pressure much more quickly upon startup and changing filters is a little less messy. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cherington Hi, Has anybody else fitted one of these???? I purchased one a long time ago but it leaked on installation and was replaced. I didn't get round to a second attempt but my garage attempted to fit the second one and it leaked too. Anybody else had any luck with it??? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 05:45:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E67A40514 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7A6403D8 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id oCbj1l00453lu5001Cbj19; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:35:44 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:35:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net recently acquired this car. when I got it the parking lights stayed on. that's why there was a battery cut off switch! I turned on the headlights; they work. by just pulling/pushing on the switch a few times over a period of days I managed to get them to turn off. finally had to use the lights, and now they are stuck on again. I'm so surprised haha. I'm guessing itbs the switch. anyone btdt have a suggestion? pull the switch and clean it - do they come apart? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 05:49:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD06E42779 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77F04039F for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r10so1280185lbi.6 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 04:48:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=qPZdhU3S4Xg42nfR+UoE+5CB/0qf/IW+NDaUEqxuw5w=; b=OTbKvSRykhGbVy50P54+374XhJt+VTM0USWWz63ecHY6kCGTYyEUv4BkM4G0ozk5xF wkmYHmfe7YZUmxsQJ4rql4fFbBMEQ421fQKd+ptpAlwKEgULiT5JfUNTarQ7azFb96RW LVgL+WGMwZKXj9LlWovP+v853WeZc+cdmrnmpVBYNhhfNax9ERz+amYIIKoT/PTqVoa/ 4ECaRFjpBkz/HMzcjO1jQq9h2dxlckN2HWpVC2U1TycIaIWFi/UqpG300mgnW+JIithw Kr0sVnpMiuHHSoHoTol6wtnCfygcbDQZRgSlBrtB3vGX25rdfz9n4jbElPobhvSbF+Or vj2A== az12mr2879590lab.24.1371296904045; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 04:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.141 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 04:48:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D037CE805CE4BC-1618-BBAB@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:48:03 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have the conversion as well - and had the leaking occur after the first filter change. Turns out I can't seem to keep the adaptor from wanting to unscrew before the filter and I kinked the oring during removal and reinstall. I put in a new oring and it's all good, but replacing the oil filter is currently a two handed affair - holding the adaptor while unscrewing the filter - though not optimal - still way easier than the million turn bolt of the old filter. I've tried locktite on the central adaptor bolt. I think the heat of the engine renders it useless. I cranked it down pretty well, too. I don't want to do it, but maybe I pull it down, clean everything, and use a hardening gasket sealer on the oring and basically glue the thing down. Any other suggestions? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 06:38:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40314043C for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F9B400A5 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [216.223.232.123] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id bbee0000c24c997b; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:36:25 -0600 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:36:18 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Alex Cherington References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/15/2013 2:18 AM, Alex Cherington wrote: > Hi, > > Has anybody else fitted one of these???? > > I purchased one a long time > ago but it leaked on installation and was replaced. I didn't get round to a > second attempt but my garage attempted to fit the second one and it leaked > too. > > Note that the original canister will slide on the center stud until it contacts the square-section o-ring, and the internal spring keeps the filter element pressed against the land which has the output from the oil pump. That the canister and element can move independently pretty much eliminates the chances of leakage with proper installation. Now, with the one-piece casting of the adapter, those two different lands (for the center stop and the o-ring) have to be accommodated at once. The annoyance--and leakage--occurs because the lands were not uniformly machined together at the factory, because there was no need for their relationship to be consistent, with the original design. In relation to the adapter casting, if the center land of the block is too deep, the outer o-ring flange will seal, but the internal land will not, and the adaptor will allow oil to bypass the filter (and the adapter will wiggle on the outer o-ring and the center bolt will eventually work loose). If the center land of the block stands too tall, the adapter will seal properly internally, but the o-ring flange will not apply enough pressure to the outer o-ring, and that will leak. Essentially, this means the adapter has to be fitted to the individual block. If the o-ring land in the block is too shallow, the o-ring flange on the adapter has to be machined down slightly. If the o-ring land in the block is too deep, some of the center land of the adapter has to removed. Mocal adapters come with instructions for fitting and include a little modeling clay to help with determining the fit at the adapter center. I've written about this before, so there should be more in the archives. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 06:45:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618A340654 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CF3403F7 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 12:38:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.225] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 12:38:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 12:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 98144 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2013 12:38:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371299930; bh=As+DpaU5HFaTasDzivKvH+ny0gv0vj4y/j1xPJp5514=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3IfT+9AmUz7g7kJWv7cAN+Afpd0qSr1TzwyruUsIPsEfWk8dvW+yzq1/PPvF+k/LI6Cd6amDA30gIdFfW8j+rfNxrOrX04KItNfxEELHIxm1Bv3NR3QYyOq88EdT56KugkwMaukW0+EtijoPwDRba8oMY2GUbLdPluUIyBHdHFk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EMhQqKYitFHank263ET9I4XcjHTGANRXIYMHDCDDhF0/9yh6ynunkAJiYF5UR9lM2MLGuVUzDpsjPAsbr22zmTjJB8KmwxwMY3+/IvucftqR2RjCONOuVfO2f1ECh3QvXkemOigNmCLQwxPjHk+rZPtvS6vvkqccyCbJ7PlRQPE=; UdhaC9vX.4QzSO4xmbrqNN0SzUodUE3rOwOv8.ucLOjKkTSm5sHhmjDjQ2KT 1nXEQPO0T9ROo5Nw3a9L3MWPxNcU6yhCXiIbham9mLiIrCIFEjwGmaPM5WTA KvBYJ4Onh.08vQubsYyGtGuORULr47dxGUIPMBaj1fla753cDFaUuUh6QDs8 dQ9OGkqjyiDroLs7u7R5qvaqQyZKlvi7PW7VqZ2emUTyeDP1DOdU4PrsqzjC sEm8NkKzqhSJYz9CW8uzkswWcX6i5BEA8Piv8yuJtIHeBQPbJ.qg4FvW7Fhb yP6_DheTF9nHP2Trbq_gWrehb8tfnBzPLruLxshoAPk9yALRofga96buZsKI Dp9bJmhn4slssAK9UGGg6bXYA2NdSclfWyD5fFGzYTPZE9VYkNBWv60Pfjvi Duv_0Tk.nEysfwK6XCGyx3mOdMTl9Bxb72NzmRjZ2PMtgiWWbPj57s8GfOZj Xsh7nhrjKlhch2EZjgiFLNqIwlOXB7yIZO40SfiBGAnVUZ4FwUlhOXH5yNcf LPtyxtcsx8vzHWp2lHpTYxlAwjWw1Lpt__o52vXslAVcmkYTD4SIHmsREWk1 Zmnj3tv5vEiDAN57KwpT9twngfYuqnjpteK.l5nWlX.luY24Um.VeguM8 Received: from [195.93.21.42] by web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:38:49 PDT SGksCsKgCsKgCsKgCsKgCsKgCsKgCkkgaGF2ZSBuZXZlciBhdHRlbXB0ZWQgdG8gZml0IGl0IG15c2VsZiBhcyBJIG5vdyByZWNhbGwgYm90aCBhdHRlbXB0cyB3ZXJlIGJ5IGRpZmZlcmVudCBnYXJhZ2VzIGF0IG9pbCBjaGFuZ2UgdGltZS4gSSB0aG91Z2h0IGl0IHdvdWxkIGJlIGEgMiBtaW51dGUgam9iIHRvIGZpdC4KwqAKwqAKSSBsb29rZWQgYXQgdGhlIHVuaXQgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1lIGluIGFib3V0IDggeWVhcnMgdG9kYXkuLi5sb2wuLi4gYW5kIHRoZXJlIGlzIGEgc21hbGwgby1yaW5nIGkBMAEBAQE- References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D037CE805CE4BC-1618-BBAB@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Cherington To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have never attempted to fit it myself as I now recall both attempts were by different garages at oil change time. I thought it would be a 2 minute job to fit. I looked at the unit for the first time in about 8 years today...lol... and there is a small o-ring in the middle. Does it also need a large o-ring at the engine end where the old filter bowl would currently seal??? I think that is MIA at present. Seems a bit temperamental. From: Dave Massey To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013, 11:59 Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Where is it leaking? I got one second hand (about twenty years ago) and the bolt was too long. I think there is a piece missing. A piece that works with an O-ring or two to seal off the bolt. In a pinch I stacked up a couple of washers slathered with gasket sealer and bolted it on. It didn't so much as leak as it weeped. More recently I bought a small bag of sealing washers (http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-sealing-washers/=n79sn1) to do it up right. Turns out the bolt was still too long (missing part) so I found a tight fitting flat washer and between that and two sealing washers I got a good fit. It works so well that the bolt head is now rusty. If your leak is where the body fits into the annular seal check the sealing ring. A perennial problem here is too many rings. An old ring may still be in there and not sealing well. Also the casting may not be true in which case it will never seal. This would qualify as a defective part. I love my conversion. I get oil pressure much more quickly upon startup and changing filters is a little less messy. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cherington Hi, Has anybody else fitted one of these???? I purchased one a long time ago but it leaked on installation and was replaced. I didn't get round to a second attempt but my garage attempted to fit the second one and it leaked too. Anybody else had any luck with it??? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/a_flying_scotsman@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 06:45:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A0F4276B for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9DC40396 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=t7hEZNr01WkA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lCDcVgPdpauu7xysJMwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5dSv7TtjxYUA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=x4sruY/Yx9YPmbwx6u3qtg==:117 Received: from [10.128.132.173] ([10.128.132.173:37464] helo=hrndva-web22-z02) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 92/67-09005-DC06CB15; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:40:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 7:40:45 -0500 From: To: Triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My suggestion if it is a reproduction switch is to pitch it and find an original on eBay or a swap meet or local club. I bought a reproduction switch it was a POS. As I recall (most of my fiddling was long ago on the road, late at night after a long day) they are riveted together, you can mess with bending the contacts. Greg Lemon ---- Dave wrote: > recently acquired this car. > > when I got it the parking lights stayed on. that's why there was a battery > cut off switch! I turned on the headlights; they work. by just > pulling/pushing on the switch a few times over a period of days I managed to > get them to turn off. > > finally had to use the lights, and now they are stuck on again. I'm so > surprised haha. > > I'm guessing itbs the switch. anyone btdt have a suggestion? pull the > switch and clean it - do they come apart? > > thanks! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 07:38:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874AA40438 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f195.google.com (mail-vc0-f195.google.com [209.85.220.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CF5403D8 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f195.google.com with SMTP id hf12so374415vcb.2 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:35:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PPq5ZMAFuIqHfIf4+yEpgv1wRIy3F5wPWbFz+O+uQ5M=; b=FBSIz4ECeAdJCYJ5H32ZTn9H/gOVeVs9nIhpBUTJD7KbQ6m5xeLDVCgr9CKuiyoVlN ic6qKOo5x2aR1WHL+dQMCk4zgvv/Q/UW9URYYwQzUbYi8RRlgRu0k0+T9nnMxKOeeNQX i4uCzdyxH0CeDny0Q9heKgfV/Ul8KFZuReaonR7/OPOitUHUvUw1B1uJDC2DoHDA689q mu7yIjyLTT6pyc9ag8/MGQrk0Wv7kS6A9OPwXHLWPyBBkWHg09LUFHpW4QE2UmhnWd0s 8FZenr0fJLxYtxBWOzL5EZ+GFS8kADRS7UIzHd55lqZhOl5U04fcx8qGm3Bow51DVQn8 ySng== dx5mr1816982vdb.23.1371303341928; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D037CE805CE4BC-1618-BBAB@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> <1371299929.86290.YahooMailNeo@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:35:41 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps I've been lucky, but I've installed two w/o leaks. In one case I removed 3 old seals that were jammed in the filter head. Used Loctite on the threads. Lubed all the seals. Tighten the bejeezus out of the unit, then hand-tightened the spin-on filter. Here are the instructions from one of mine (they were both MOCAL from Moss) in case it is of use: http://tinyurl.com/mq4tx5a Geo On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Alex Cherington < a_flying_scotsman@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > > > > I have never attempted to fit it myself as I now recall both > attempts were by different garages at oil change time. I thought it would > be a > 2 minute job to fit. > > > I looked at the unit for the first time in about 8 > years today...lol... and there is a small o-ring in the middle. Does it > also > need a large o-ring at the engine end where the old filter bowl would > currently seal??? I think that is MIA at present. > > > Seems a bit > temperamental. > > > From: Dave Massey > To: > triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013, 11:59 > Subject: Re: [TR] > Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion > > > Where is it leaking? I got one > second hand (about twenty years ago) and the > bolt was too long. I think there > is a piece missing. A piece that works with > an O-ring or two to seal off the > bolt. In a pinch I stacked up a couple of > washers slathered with gasket > sealer and bolted it on. It didn't so much as > leak as it weeped. More > recently I bought a small bag of sealing washers > (http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-sealing-washers/=n79sn1) to do it up > right. > Turns out the bolt was still too long (missing part) so I found a tight > fitting flat washer and between that and two sealing washers I got a good > fit. > It works so well that the bolt head is now rusty. > > If your leak is where the > body fits into the annular seal check the sealing > ring. A perennial problem > here is too many rings. An old ring may still be > in there and not sealing > well. Also the casting may not be true in which case > it will never seal. > This would qualify as a defective part. > > I love my conversion. I get oil > pressure much more quickly upon startup and > changing filters is a little less > messy. > > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cherington > > > > Hi, > > Has anybody else fitted one of these???? > I purchased one a long time > ago but it leaked on installation and was > replaced. I didn't get round to a > second attempt but my garage attempted to > fit the second one and it leaked > too. > > Anybody else had any luck with it??? > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/a_flying_scotsman@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 08:00:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FEB40511 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E674403B9 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 13:52:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 13:52:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2013 13:52:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371304331; bh=RgqJu2qPvISl/uC868lXn/LtnUltwQs0iQATifhe4a4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=QUMRSLsLshOq7i7TCUHjkz/pHI9SiAkwO0U3khBmqJboZSoAIDY4EYVXAQ/2zmOeHrG19nHHHVnL3UHHBKshOE0tZECp7X4Ony3sCkPoAwKsq7UsjFsX9OVTJROFChxtDml78V6PWKsH2J0VG6zCURhQVrYecJjWDqktsrdb4Xw= xfh1OzyFq4BUKeHGPevR7KEKFDDs.iLw6OHsleXJH93bs7GqKsCk66trJunZ AK7Brjm1lo.ZVc3RT52_Z3pfk5OQBX4xKr16iKiaQY1jyy9lqThF9SwvnKEz NpEYp0Cg5Ey67V5qZS9SExEX68pv5hjl8ttiEnXpWin02Rg0mtehjvxM5pFm D3CC3ZdxAyJeGq5Sj_NnpdonirQRERJaPSGTNRzhtftLbPTZiqZoMOCsvmAh xR5U5hTDvyGu4w8shtKTzoSxpbaJ4T2CCZUl0e1EdSLbMFNUF5ulBG8pGRYH lXGLZA.D_viO8RIMHgvr.LnEjKQYcTsXkvayDc7WHH0df22p.sFpmi1YiV7t OLjzinFuoNjOc95g7b1X9r2xRQH60vunDAbEcbUel0HXOePzxbOaANT5.rbr y76ROyGT9Wi36VWaQ0vGm.9K8tdvRDDd5OVxYDjKRo9nJ0AXakxeT2BR1QAr z9sGxh_vLBx3QF1fqa1jldSjcQq5aiGhhL.fayLE_MxOFplgVLH10MJsxPy8 puof8KYgaGIlY453zYHsJVE.QEDsJ77fTiczY0GXpfNYqLcBV0Y7bMP2Y3Vt jNQEx_8Li smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 06:52:11 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Dave'" , References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> <426E67D52656418C94A043256EB5FA80@Datsun> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:52:06 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5pvfwfOZxfAMdKT2e3aTnXIqdGNQADv90A Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a similar problem, after a few miles they went off. I just kept working the switch and now it seems OK and gets used occasionally. You might try a few good shots of brake cleaner then blow it out with a compressor. I don't think you can get them apart and back together again with much luck, unless you are a jeweler by trade. If you can't get it to work, I would replace it, the last thing you want is for your lights to go out on a dark Texas highway. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:35 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] light switch TR3B recently acquired this car. when I got it the parking lights stayed on. that's why there was a battery cut off switch! I turned on the headlights; they work. by just pulling/pushing on the switch a few times over a period of days I managed to get them to turn off. finally had to use the lights, and now they are stuck on again. I'm so surprised haha. I'm guessing itbs the switch. anyone btdt have a suggestion? pull the switch and clean it - do they come apart? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 12:25:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5384640548 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBFB400A4 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5E28C700028E2; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 24DE3E000082; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D037CE805CE4BC-1618-BBAB@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> <1371299929.86290.YahooMailNeo@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: a_flying_scotsman@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:20:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:20:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371320435; bh=aDODPWJaVm5spfCEohrexKQUgBsvDXp3RihhsUY0sbM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=od/NUS7ILYDfYQLasOQItCjO72Z1a4sjR4oRikmrjR3QYzqjK8G5bnEGZZJbrLhp1 pe1BkaORjgr5g5O0SyJrOHW/dgtK0Y5Uv3bBfpi1FE8r0c/vgzvD+cuMjnY73oW/JP 6FBQhgedjrexsV/dcotUs5NlF7NyVCixaJpWbwH0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51bcb073455b Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sure, it does. Those O-rings are supplied with each OE filter cartridge. The adapter is machined with a feature that seals up against that O-ring. At least mine did. Yours may be different. In which case I would have to see it to better advise. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cherington Hi, I have never attempted to fit it myself as I now recall both attempts were by different garages at oil change time. I thought it would be a 2 minute job to fit. I looked at the unit for the first time in about 8 years today...lol... and there is a small o-ring in the middle. Does it also need a large o-ring at the engine end where the old filter bowl would currently seal??? I think that is MIA at present. Seems a bit temperamental. From: Dave Massey To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013, 11:59 Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Where is it leaking? I got one second hand (about twenty years ago) and the bolt was too long. I think there is a piece missing. A piece that works with an O-ring or two to seal off the bolt. In a pinch I stacked up a couple of washers slathered with gasket sealer and bolted it on. It didn't so much as leak as it weeped. More recently I bought a small bag of sealing washers (http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-sealing-washers/=n79sn1) to do it up right. Turns out the bolt was still too long (missing part) so I found a tight fitting flat washer and between that and two sealing washers I got a good fit. It works so well that the bolt head is now rusty. If your leak is where the body fits into the annular seal check the sealing ring. A perennial problem here is too many rings. An old ring may still be in there and not sealing well. Also the casting may not be true in which case it will never seal. This would qualify as a defective part. I love my conversion. I get oil pressure much more quickly upon startup and changing filters is a little less messy. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cherington Hi, Has anybody else fitted one of these???? I purchased one a long time ago but it leaked on installation and was replaced. I didn't get round to a second attempt but my garage attempted to fit the second one and it leaked too. Anybody else had any luck with it??? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 12:33:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AB04053E for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAEF40405 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8352870071689 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5038AE000082 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:26:29 -0400 (EDT) References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D037CE805CE4BC-1618-BBAB@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> <1371299929.86290.YahooMailNeo@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:26:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:26:29 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371320789; bh=BDCsv5mlYGbWluq7DLKr/C9KNBaUmWDmkHzW4B4zZ3o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WIQErt9QDEPt83ernboiwVucJE9QlkgDMi9WDdXs8ZNigXZB1MF5vbBzhrTDOlPjJ XhEwvX7IlFj822XBAkoRMhvQmocfEI1jg7rjmg08Cnu8VE6pmEizWi7BYIb2gKxmUD GQwQYACnYxGOOGKFDM2KAFHnrkYbP6JdOhWmfsUY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51bcb1d54c20 Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That is the TR3/4 adapter. The TR6 is different. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=54777 Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 8:36 am Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Perhaps I've been lucky, but I've installed two w/o leaks. In one case I removed 3 old seals that were jammed in the filter head. Used Loctite on the threads. Lubed all the seals. Tighten the bejeezus out of the unit, then hand-tightened the spin-on filter. Here are the instructions from one of mine (they were both MOCAL from Moss) in case it is of use: http://tinyurl.com/mq4tx5a Geo On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Alex Cherington < a_flying_scotsman@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > > > > I have never attempted to fit it myself as I now recall both > attempts were by different garages at oil change time. I thought it would > be a > 2 minute job to fit. > > > I looked at the unit for the first time in about 8 > years today...lol... and there is a small o-ring in the middle. Does it > also > need a large o-ring at the engine end where the old filter bowl would > currently seal??? I think that is MIA at present. > > > Seems a bit > temperamental. > > > From: Dave Massey > To: > triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013, 11:59 > Subject: Re: [TR] > Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion > > > Where is it leaking? I got one > second hand (about twenty years ago) and the > bolt was too long. I think there > is a piece missing. A piece that works with > an O-ring or two to seal off the > bolt. In a pinch I stacked up a couple of > washers slathered with gasket > sealer and bolted it on. It didn't so much as > leak as it weeped. More > recently I bought a small bag of sealing washers > (http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-sealing-washers/=n79sn1) to do it up > right. > Turns out the bolt was still too long (missing part) so I found a tight > fitting flat washer and between that and two sealing washers I got a good > fit. > It works so well that the bolt head is now rusty. > > If your leak is where the > body fits into the annular seal check the sealing > ring. A perennial problem > here is too many rings. An old ring may still be > in there and not sealing > well. Also the casting may not be true in which case > it will never seal. > This would qualify as a defective part. > > I love my conversion. I get oil > pressure much more quickly upon startup and > changing filters is a little less > messy. > > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cherington > > > > Hi, > > Has anybody else fitted one of these???? > I purchased one a long time > ago but it leaked on installation and was > replaced. I didn't get round to a > second attempt but my garage attempted to > fit the second one and it leaked > too. > > Anybody else had any luck with it??? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 12:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370A640E19 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEE64041D for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5687A7006FD17 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2FE0BE000088 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:34:02 -0400 (EDT) References: <890f8.17345522.3eebaeba@aol.com> <1371284338.47955.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D037CE805CE4BC-1618-BBAB@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:34:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:34:02 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371321242; bh=qmDnUJ2Ajkq8wd7YGw1iOPFVJhX9Frbpj6IgLa4dNp4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t3KeJwEJKDXICVmGVQS2lBUD4/URYYH5O4hDi4+iw+AXbnFrnhdObISrGSRAcBy0I FScsfqOp3IggDMyC/K3AjnviOvCrKQ5Y8doJstnawRPg7wb/EIGmVCV/Rxj7GEqHyO HX+0SceD1553jEZMAyANcXW+LNQeWcCN3A7Ec4Vo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294851bcb39a38d1 Subject: Re: [TR] Moss TR6 spin on oil filter conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is this a TR6 or a TR3/4 adapter? Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Chris Simo I have the conversion as well - and had the leaking occur after the first filter change. Turns out I can't seem to keep the adaptor from wanting to unscrew before the filter and I kinked the oring during removal and reinstall. I put in a new oring and it's all good, but replacing the oil filter is currently a two handed affair - holding the adaptor while unscrewing the filter - though not optimal - still way easier than the million turn bolt of the old filter. I've tried locktite on the central adaptor bolt. I think the heat of the engine renders it useless. I cranked it down pretty well, too. I don't want to do it, but maybe I pull it down, clean everything, and use a hardening gasket sealer on the oring and basically glue the thing down. Any other suggestions? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 17:09:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAA54271D for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f42.google.com (mail-yh0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F3F4043C for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id c41so621027yho.15 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:55:28 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=92o5PbhkhxKjF/y4JhcNnWapM4YgDcDAM8oB1G31nJk=; b=gT2i4AMEy4rCUXSxXh2T5qWpz6/XF66HuwvCmZrMq13VAmlT22d/EohlhNmxfW8Zt4 b8a5HhVXmYyLOJnE6H2y5Q3drvIWHOLExN1b+x+5D1ZeLqAelrogxuLTLoWPqc7UGs2K jCiSrmpdDMP9SJ702KDVRxY5936n/qfLwis9+aMgzryNfql44VMFerxp93LntFSGXhY+ fnQuXFU6ZYN8lH92rYsKHxnf+jxdOCwRcM5yLbsFCuHJH5nIloJoVBF8VHcY9KRNTyN9 3dWTe2k3qoYBVv12o1IAnZ4egWJcwcOCOJgJVt9OMNa2YBTFs8yEzMnbXoGRLXO6xPEO ZXRA== n25mr4741868yhj.21.1371336927997; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r41sm13514767yhc.12.2013.06.15.15.55.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:55:24 -0400 To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] TR3A Overdrive recovery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Per the wisdom of the list, I drained & then refilled the tranny oil on my 60 TR3A. I used Valvoline 20-W-50 and now the transmission shifts in and out of overdrive as smooth as an automatic. :-) Thank to every one who provided the usual correct advice. John John A. Wise, Ph.D., CPE The Wise Group, LLC Ormond Beach, FL JohnWise@alumni.Pitt.edu http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html John Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 TR3A http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html 1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine) http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 21:27:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4689440448 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91BF40431 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=eq6lecqRxNnmIgcEwSHWRw==:17 a=0es2hMIb3P8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=t7hEZNr01WkA:10 a=QPn5FatI3TpiLWkwotIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=eq6lecqRxNnmIgcEwSHWRw==:117 Received: from [24.249.48.90] ([24.249.48.90:49266] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 78/82-06197-5FF2DB15; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 03:24:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave'" , References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> <426E67D52656418C94A043256EB5FA80@Datsun> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:24:36 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5pvetvMd5qt+0oQqyx9JXMv8NRVgAgj4Mg Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > when I got it the parking lights stayed on. that's why there was a > battery > cut off switch! Apologies if this was already covered or is just too obvious. On the TR3 headlight switch, you have to push the knob in, then turn to the left, then push again to turn off the taillights. Usually the little Bakelite stop is broken, so with enough force you can just jam the knob in; but it works better if you turn it as Lucas intended. The original switches (at least the early ones) can be partially disassembled, but I doubt it will do any good. I would start by making sure there aren't any stray wire strands shorting out, and then replace the switch. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 05:50:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0864043C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:50:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBE740381 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0DF0970000096 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.69]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D29B9E000085 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) References: To: Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d227.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371383351; bh=GNMt0YL+5fN+n5NbL5kBqPR8BWpQ/+wFz7RqEmFrQec=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GWBIDS2YKL/gacfOWrA6twD2MVmepU1f7H42dvlSxHf6DegKg9xlAMkTNTtluFLSL iAA1nVSYIr/G8crmxN5H6LO8yyLDapLQUy/C5f7KAoE3u0h5jBRr9MVN/mCGejfle1 7OIOY1vi7XAf+dR7yB0RxYpyGZGUx92tMe9HP6K4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951bda636192b Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Overdrive recovery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net May all of life's problems be so easy to solve. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: John Wise Per the wisdom of the list, I drained & then refilled the tranny oil on my 60 TR3A. I used Valvoline 20-W-50 and now the transmission shifts in and out of overdrive as smooth as an automatic. :-) Thank to every one who provided the usual correct advice. John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 13:30:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1A540452 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCA7403EE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 19:28:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 19:28:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 19:28:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 90561 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2013 19:28:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371410938; bh=wOBuo8DyIe90Dunr/yuxJ7Wqv57PV0kmq/4k+UaqHPE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4a1dAtfSELTC0GDf16+SdbfZZXoWzmeFDNguF8buCIndMHWpcnbjcHpOxdXSSC1R5G3NIA5meX4lg8GDqKsALe8oakrnLJRlj/rqYPKeWcXxIUdYbX7kYVaOGgtP1jeGeheVdSuO+Equ7g2DRTbL2wGjLq/1IsdJWlBYkhY4k0Q= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iMSIblfZjBFjIz5jn7Y9v9xwpulND3uTtGHjvU1ah/DuCmfaISYXEJ2kB+LoYQznXqt0tDUEt1X1d9R3cDzZK9+i91pfyA72jtrV//KAaSj634XeqGaNQ79uyTU1YIWZ5sqMBlI1XB2YsBpAPmdRZ0NOyCGLnWSvWunzGWbVpXA=; ..TqO.hwAXtVQ5yJdtZVulLG1wuBJ0H46CzgmhMbMgDWuWTVKis.sZHo.b4F 33dOn2efxIrnqkCiUefg3PqZ5viH2p2GsJaby7HZ4WtT3uyR3juPsMcjYPDp PN.W.WOdIlO0gu48hh.aW89RysMGJOFLtyb04HXSoXKSEMcOWy21LfgzeCFu ocD0nkDiXJOjcvGTrukk3rXZkZ6hyma72vWwOXgie29uqRK1gaDj4RXvuGhp cuHNIK37J.vab_8tnPzh1QNozPyy8BJmwcjO75QaPhC4J44qhY1dedf5_0lr vGHvy4gGv8fovimQzuzbmTl0mj1TIT50cLzK6LlrNVqYmZhMnyQXnsQJjmzi .oQfbvKZiVdjyAphSmQAsdpBA0q11HUQ.gY7ZPIszIo1Q4Stjcq3dld7.svt i8IL6wweQosQlydzMbNaWJLTtyMJhYUc8495c72eUOz3D3DMppJav5YSGyzv cSiFs2NMk9hcpegL3W.ut9licYpI9ZbpSNcNqP476bRD4Nnjl Received: from [108.199.50.180] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:28:58 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgQWJvdXQgZXZlcnkgMyB5ZWFycyBteSBUUjNBIHR1cm4gc2lnbmFsIGZsYXNoZXIgc3RhcnRzIG1hbGZ1bmN0aW9uaW5nLiBJdCB3b3JrcyBmaW5lIGFuZCB0aGVuIG9uZSBkYXkgaXQgd2lsbCB3b3JrIGZpbmUgb24gdGhlIHJpZ2h0IHR1cm4gc2lnbmFsIGFuZCB0aGUgbGVmdCB0dXJuIHNpZ25hbCB3aWxsIGZsYXNoIG9uZSB0aW1lIGFuZCBzdG9wLiBJIGhhdmUgYSBidXp6ZXIgaG9va2VkIGluIHdpdGggdGhlIGluZGljYXRvciBsaWdodCBzbyBJIGNhbiBoZWFyIGl0IHdoZW4gdGhlIHR1cm4BMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net About every 3 years my TR3A turn signal flasher starts malfunctioning. It works fine and then one day it will work fine on the right turn signal and the left turn signal will flash one time and stop. I have a buzzer hooked in with the indicator light so I can hear it when the turn signal is on. Anyway, I am on about my 5th or 6th turn signal flasher unit and wondering if anyone has an idea what causes them to fail. A new flasher unit seems to fix it every time, for awhile. I bought a new "heavy duty" flasher unit from NAPA that looked similar, but the turn signal indicator doesn't work at all now, although the turn signals themselves work. It probably takes too much electricity to run or something. I have a new flasher on order from MOSS. I order them two at a time now... TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 14:00:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBB14042A for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DE740079 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 19:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 19:59:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 19:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 22277 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2013 19:59:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371412758; bh=5SU8Jg4d8Vboth1/HfXGIFlOm3WLEuqFtpceZ7ddIRU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I8Lw6lFbwj2Qit3kX9MXcfa63rjjsjTJxBqXWIvfB94GHSKhmgy89sjoMVNJHMBqKUJyh7eSLRoacXprGHMpykEOcvC8hLPCaDnJV9yYIN3tcTKQ6hO3tloqjmpLkgTK1kMbzYRLnsNXB6FPccEp4BWBAUPQBmwpkapgsOSTWgg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3eiuQm6lmnmQVFrv6nBbWIY9o5a484Y5iTYRG5+g4aZNmaSN7HCNa3FZmCBZrNPd77qvWlZOn4s6GRTpJHi8n0w8rUlbSM+g5WNF841Q7Xn+fC98PapFwaQIkzlen/lxg1pLmwl8G+rQ/n3qnsLfDTLzmcbIVDzdwKVHim4QIO8=; nAlLAN4Djy3qikHpVgUiwHIxDTZHniPAZ3fKr3VOglJIwqkFTRkR5mRgiWqk gpfoS5KrFAwK00sUpqzb4RGVRb0i9V9TN95G66lV3_Xa7mcF27jGDssNXNBz dri2H.S34z.SA.AfyIaGeIognfeP6jhjyzkkm2x6NNhSwEm_SnjdODzD__C8 ie_Xii7YYB3TWUIq5J1EeWCUVKpPijI6Y5yGc00B0fV1nShsl4tI.TjeFCaI F_Gzckg81.6oqzwzGpKsn7dbMQ.NhK.PofcM5bAKjKqQwUPUb_8Ulncbxtjr _M8Wvd8kl8uH3wXTIFfv.iie22hHDApSErQgmAQLOQPWJZAOftB2y8cDiDVo zoVr7n6Qv0mdf5Shf12l7GlDpIskHTi3gEn65d9UKH8kUEp8PfgnQhrIP55b oGOsdyBs.7c2HVZMn5kWpr.vQgOAPPb3OFbYin8eygyJ6IpLgZ4CocyAXFQx nxftMKrxW.XnnyA.HBcWBHfMkVIehoAnEcAtfnJOoCjjpYRlzbh4HedEtone POybyh87PK2ox7Vu6ZxcjcRyAEDNrpe5ERdEDGXTlNvWuC.2v3pt5shrOQGk fpAr2uQ-- Received: from [69.208.157.119] by web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:59:18 PDT SSBzdXNwZWN0IHRoYXQgdGhlIGJ1enplciBkcmF3cyB0b28gbXVjaCBjdXJyZW50IGZvciB0aGUgZmxhc2hlci7CoAoKCkpvaG4gWW91bmcgTkFTUyMgNTI4CkluZGlhbmEKJzc4IFNwaXRmaXJlCic2NiBTcGl0ZmlyZQonNTkgVFIzQcKgKGJlaW5nIHJlcGFpcmVkIGFmdGVyIDM3IHlycyBvd25lcnNoaXApCiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBXaWxsaWFtIEJyZXdlciA8d3NiMTk2MHRyM2FAYXR0Lm5ldD4KVG86IFRyaXVtcGhzIDx0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm4BMAEBAQE- References: <1371410938.82710.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Young To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I suspect that the buzzer draws too much current for the flasher. John Young NASS# 528 Indiana '78 Spitfire '66 Spitfire '59 TR3A (being repaired after 37 yrs ownership) ________________________________ From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures About every 3 years my TR3A turn signal flasher starts malfunctioning. It works fine and then one day it will work fine on the right turn signal and the left turn signal will flash one time and stop. I have a buzzer hooked in with the indicator light so I can hear it when the turn signal is on. Anyway, I am on about my 5th or 6th turn signal flasher unit and wondering if anyone has an idea what causes them to fail. A new flasher unit seems to fix it every time, for awhile. I bought a new "heavy duty" flasher unit from NAPA that looked similar, but the turn signal indicator doesn't work at all now, although the turn signals themselves work. It probably takes too much electricity to run or something. I have a new flasher on order from MOSS. I order them two at a time now... TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeyoung_2@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 14:18:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8BD40395 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236A74003F for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so1620741vea.1 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=juWwB7WOeGs+qw9Ibzq0iW+qWjg6QDe5sLjZ3yQTJAI=; b=ip8arVjNvy3IJaJzi8/Elx/Tao3Y7ZpsTTAO3P5QOprkqin5hVgM4EgbIwHdXKD0Af NuXiwMIIVnbRGE0W8FVk7gWdcR2tANa44wzaiHXJMuTUUsdIWa+LxCsNuRm7opGM4Zk8 MrKTXE8XkKfNkvfwtg18UiqIME9FR0Z2oLcTzghWZRKYwtEIOO6b70E1p31is3AF1LAi ocNuco3cPMQO1jDwLmy0DuNNPhenUR0+WrKzNtG9LimnxnRBNDg63Xs5Q3FEV30L+/Ok 8eABR6M8arWvlgxRzklAptcjMrUQym4N25EtAMeTQlx39C+6PwFAvtGaun2EX1ckOuO5 aFSw== Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <1371410938.82710.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:15:43 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM, William Brewer wrote: > About every 3 years my TR3A turn signal flasher starts malfunctioning... > I order them two at a time now... Bill -- I'd say something is wrong here. I've had the same old Lucas 'Do Not Drop' flasher for 30+ years, possibly original to the car: http://tinyurl.com/lj5g25s What's the detail on that buzzer? Since that is the one non-standard component I wonder if it is creating a load that is hard on the flasher? Disclaimer: I really have no idea what I'm talking about of course. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 16:27:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9832240359 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297DC40359 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 22:25:26 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 22:25:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2013 22:25:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 18344 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2013 22:25:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371421525; bh=k4Z3m2sDibDMzSIysI0eET4D+/vCPcYdi0aiOW54vUw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LiaS4VdENhLh9931DAaj7HiufhZ2uhmlv/bstOIj6oQALyZgoU3RXJb2EERlfrMSdiEllk6hbCo7CdRbIRzwNAUm1hR7+LAHwlTuM4bEs8hmsNMesPbMH34qwzoEKeO1nbqWzCCe3lWxeA1AmFy4KNnnEzzLbKYqrR5XIk6JzCY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=srFnTA9wewUZGuuGkHx1MfvnCKKWh8orLQnMfgwF598bGNt7qgqLCLEQkCCXjjj3LqjU4yhWkBwlCdJQjeAMuC0Fvrq4a8pvzAMUm1FZcXBERTnDp6k5MYSy9ey17x53ozgAJY5A/xsYHwpGJVSdYoEawlOm3+jCsOEVO2r1tFo=; sH2Zn2FUP1if__lK92pK_7XLvjsLihI4ioVsuN8Aii9AGZxM5vvkXJhqvpun ShbpitRk5lYIEA0hXH_NtDMsODA11Qtg0p6.QNY1ExpBYH2nZNozQ1niDdIO U_HFhBG3cRehQM4GaK25VUIaYLbhqoSdteskLpJBRfoe0rBFGNN9cYs87cBV WmFmJvInsA2zIlBhQM0jGEWZFkVg7Sgc8C4KJFWzAWCMGs5rTV6rsY.aZLT_ bBwBp1QzTWTvToD4BUtvvnaT9xaXR69SxD0Iio.TWV5Y5E6V4BhVI_XnU7g8 SWnkQq1NECwbimkEdIN.Jisx4XKNhhd839YQagBtjuSoCCUUU22tcAAgM4xb 54zqB.F7pw258s_aoeZE_rw.AufyilCeHhZ3tIHxt5xyppEEW0aarNGvEb1K R2SZyRC5fer3WFm1mJ241mpdOfGze9nK0IajuUOGy9r22phjG5MT.PGFj_4B 8_wp1PztgZxhZh0g6HfiKHIMS6a2U1aNsDXDuolV1WMwbaBLaAb9dwnr0dIV N.SNf3fLy9OmjLZ1g92TZl4WVuU3Nuwn6Mp476VRx_bdscKh_myvqWIOvhNq 95TBfDCFVJ04F0a5rfhuAGEi6Iso- Received: from [108.199.50.180] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:25:25 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSB3YXMgYnVybmluZyBvdXQgZmxhc2hlcnMgYmVmb3JlIEkgaW5zdGFsbGVkIHRoZSBidXp6ZXIuIFRoZSBidXp6ZXIgd2FzIHB1dCBpbiBiZWNhdXNlIEkgY291bGRuJ3Qgc2VlIHRoZSB0dXJuIHNpZ25hbCBpbmRpY2F0b3IgbGlnaHQgd2l0aCB0aGUgdG9ubmVhdSBoYWxmd2F5IHVuemlwcGVkIGFuZCB3b3VsZCBlbmQgdXAgZHJpdmluZyBhcm91bmQgd2l0aCB0aGUgdHVybiBzaWduYWwgb24uLi4gSSBkb3VidCB0aGF0IHRoZSBidXp6ZXIgZHJhd3MgbXVjaCBjdXJyZW50LgrCoMKgwqDCoCABMAEBAQE- References: <1371410938.82710.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was burning out flashers before I installed the buzzer. The buzzer was put in because I couldn't see the turn signal indicator light with the tonneau halfway unzipped and would end up driving around with the turn signal on... I doubt that the buzzer draws much current. The problem is that if I take the buzzer out it will probably work as usual and then burn out in about 2 years again. There would be no way of knowing until then and I have already proven that they burn out without the buzzer in the past. I'll check the bulb voltages. I think that years ago I upgraded the bulbs to a brighter bulb than the l157's or whatever they are. Maybe that is the problem. Bill in Tehachapi ________________________________ From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM, William Brewer wrote: About every 3 years my TR3A turn signal flasher starts malfunctioning... >I order them two at a time now... Bill -- I'd say something is wrong here. I've had the same old Lucas 'Do Not Drop' flasher for 30+ years, possibly original to the car: http://tinyurl.com/lj5g25s What's the detail on that buzzer? Since that is the one non-standard component I wonder if it is creating a load that is hard on the flasher? Disclaimer: I really have no idea what I'm talking about of course. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 18:58:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030FC40357 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9564032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOI00JPWIH4YP50@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:53:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "TR List " Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:53:29 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5q9OWdAtiemJf0Ruexn7jeeo9YtQ== Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] Moss site Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is anyone else having issues with the Moss Motors site? Trying to add items to a wishlist and it just goes to a blank screen. Happened on a search as well. Just curious Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Still being restored - but 2013 looks like the year.. Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 19:52:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8710D40395 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855F34032B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:50:59 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:50:56 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Can anyone point me to a source for a reliable, quality brake light switch for a TR4A. I just went through a second, plastic, POS switch and DO NOT want to buy another one. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 20:23:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BC7403EE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDDA403CF for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [96.249.148.97]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOI00B0FMJR5P20@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:21:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , References: <38DEA8CC-D951-4A9D-9B1F-45D280209607@genfiniti.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:21:32 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5q/S8cfYd9648eSwqYzXh29ypsKAAAyK5A Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Guy; The only thing that really matters is the diameter and pitch of the threaded fitting. Take your old one to your local parts house and ask the clerk to fix you up with a good metal brake switch. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:51 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Listers, Can anyone point me to a source for a reliable, quality brake light switch for a TR4A. I just went through a second, plastic, POS switch and DO NOT want to buy another one. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 20:26:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E760D40359 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9E34032B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.37.204.adsl.snet.net [69.0.37.204]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LpKbF-1UA6c134hp-00fCo4; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:23:39 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "G.D. Huggins" , References: <38DEA8CC-D951-4A9D-9B1F-45D280209607@genfiniti.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:23:36 -0400 46V6BqZfFuxw7LBaeSKMDvoFU1HYkLGl5D032jX8pZ0iNM9k1U 8FsPkWD+4XIwjiB1q5ujsB58GcBEvsrdr+21WSthjECqE3l2Lw ZoeqKo6yu+CKQyB/BjXniF67rZFlxS3V7d3ZV4hpn5NIS5Mh4j VvQuAqE4bFYSedIAgMBmTqEiY891Pmn06cobRyW/+XFti+Uq6S CZIN9gt636a/ss1GqRjmYcv6G+Ocifx0F93rrHLnSs66msnm2Z XUCN1uLyT9qh2wE2t9+uadXN9ZpHNeloWtyxoGdivQqI/wI6Oy 97vsmF2PTSoEiVntVOkNLs2ZmVaKQ+60kbgltFBN2 Subject: Re: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the TR4 switch works like the TR6 switch, here's a couple of quality alternatives... http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AltBrakeSwitch.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: G.D. Huggins Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:50 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Listers, Can anyone point me to a source for a reliable, quality brake light switch for a TR4A. I just went through a second, plastic, POS switch and DO NOT want to buy another one. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 20:33:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD4140435 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp6.opentext.com (smtp6.opentext.com [205.211.178.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC11D4032B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg10.opentext.net (otwlxg10.opentext.net [10.2.103.151]) by wldmzsvc06.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r5H2WYtt023536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:32:34 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG21.opentext.net ([169.254.3.250]) by otwlxg10.opentext.net ([10.2.103.151]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:32:09 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "G.D. Huggins" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Thread-Index: AQHOav2MbCq40BtbjUCfxC+lReD4L5k5Lv5g Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:32:34 +0000 References: <38DEA8CC-D951-4A9D-9B1F-45D280209607@genfiniti.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.16] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19948.002 x-tm-as-result: No--45.168700-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Subject: Re: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Guy When I added my secondary switch to the TR3a, I went with a standard two wire brake switch off a GM I think. It was $15( cdn :-) ) at the local parts store. The best part was the two nuts provided allowed for exacting positioning. Regards David Templeton -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:51 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Source for durable brake light switch Listers, Can anyone point me to a source for a reliable, quality brake light switch for a TR4A. I just went through a second, plastic, POS switch and DO NOT want to buy another one. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davidt@opentext.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 21:07:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6E44032C for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A6B4032B for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=6RSn0sEdJ90tzunJ2kSBDw==:17 a=2mxzd43MLvsA:10 a=ViXdm41Wx0UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=fSe6DUiOUaEA:10 a=jvokD6gr3k3J8MpyBhEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6RSn0sEdJ90tzunJ2kSBDw==:117 Received: from [207.195.129.111] ([207.195.129.111:49165] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 38/9F-05415-F0D7EB15; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:05:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1371410938.82710.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:05:46 -0700 Thread-index: Ac5qx9LrQrv50W6aS+uL5+NUZ49/7wAPd2iA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > About every 3 years my TR3A turn signal flasher starts > malfunctioning. It > works fine and then one day it will work fine on the right turn signal and > the > left turn signal will flash one time and stop. Sounds like for some reason, the LH signals are drawing less current than the RH. Bad connection, corroded wires, even a really old bulb might be the cause. Do they act the same with the headlights on? (I'm guessing that, as the flasher ages, it takes a bit more current to make it work properly. That's why a new flasher solves the problem, for awhile. The stock flashers are deliberately sensitive to current draw, so you can tell when a bulb burns out.) > I bought a new "heavy duty" flasher unit from NAPA that > looked similar, but the turn signal indicator doesn't work at all now, > although the turn signals themselves work. It probably takes too much > electricity to run or something. I had much the same experience with all of the thermal 3-prong flashers from Kragen (now O'Reilly). They are simply not made correctly to work in the circuit in our cars. On the last one, I finally gave up and changed the wiring to the dash lamp to make it work. The change was simple, I just removed the ground wire for the indicator lamp, and connected the wire to switched 12v from the switch instead. Later, I switched to a Tridon EL13 "electronic" flasher, which works with either connection to the indicator lamp. The first one failed after 5 years or so, apparently because the mounting clip I used was too tight and the plastic housing cracked. But the second one is still going strong. FWIW, the EL13 is not truly "electronic", it just uses a RC timing network and relay instead of the usual resistance wire and bimetal strip contacts. It should still work correctly with positive ground. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 16 21:23:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED24F40421 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9412D403DF for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=6RSn0sEdJ90tzunJ2kSBDw==:17 a=2mxzd43MLvsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=t7hEZNr01WkA:10 a=KdhDYNNfye62Yzl0xs4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6RSn0sEdJ90tzunJ2kSBDw==:117 Received: from [207.195.129.111] ([207.195.129.111:49167] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 30/46-14128-7908EB15; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:20:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> <426E67D52656418C94A043256EB5FA80@Datsun> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:20:53 -0700 Thread-index: AQFPNdSYmykI/C2YAZbJPpWJO1/hKAJtWtZSAjr5GykB1446spoCHsNQgAGHQVA= Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have often wondered why the headlights (a side lights) were wired so > that > the ignition did not have to be turned on. Does anyone know? I don't know _the_ reason, but I can think of several possibilities. One would be that parking lights were required when parked in certain areas (like on the side of the road). My early Stag even has a special position that only lights the parking lights on the traffic side of the car. Another would be that the ignition switch is puny, and not capable of handling the current for the headlights. I'm also grateful that the headlights don't go out with the switch, since I have been known to kill the engine while on the road. It's amazing how far you can limp without a water pump, by only running the engine for a few seconds at a time. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 03:04:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA2740356 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B28C64032A for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 09:02:27 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.99] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 09:02:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 09:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 73885 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2013 09:02:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371459747; bh=5c9UGTo/Bfg4Z+qSKVGv/Mb6CMHQAhFIWPR2CEtkt1U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kdfkXbOWiIM85QhnfcLFhbpL5xMgSArrvoJ0Z3IZN/eEvG4ZhrhxRbL922vErAEpB33DN/IL1X7pr4sQ8Auu3yk729wkkPtEb6fTZjgIGnfqN/04O1C990IaOxFjLV3TDgjCz71UmS7sd4WW0csEab73wAfn9q4eRxMV5fm7B5o= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4W6rMQq0MjIGIz/USZeBTGybgpnWhA7WN1EqNlIiWa9b1lfvrOaVZiNN2QfyM6NXCQ2RKtpyKVeAuzkcQYIfIrQiuuXo+eT0TrV+8EVlioVM8pIdd4O+KLHx7SxzfrUotSsw9ufJN68FiIdjGegkHBd9soyEq1Av+br/Kjqgbyo=; GU6oq2FfWcz6WNQWonoOAyRf6AA0IictQOCOPNwWQw8s_Aiblyavg3G.UtjM ST44Jr6Z.d4.tg0ay2sPnbln7Y_u_63elqVk4yI79BMi.u2A0GoDOCq6sKFz kwSYweJAtwQbds_UGq87RZidQZpLser6JIcDOmGaciay5aNY6hg7QyNli4al UxaP9D.NQNQ33l9B.RDSNHRaH9LTbYlfAAhOhJCefdoILVfB7BbzIWR3I4.B 01v6awbpDWfDptV7sXWMd2FqbWZM1jfhMzj1dOhYiobqrU7p7ZZrkfWBmHrp oQDiPiR_UAEvMfZDv8pVslxHiwQ_deDdnar4WJaNyxQ_Vk4ulerWKtFtsVrv sDZMTdz7c9HNGYoDjXiYlVEQ.ppr6svtQkzo29YF9YrRuACshkeJYsOWLAzM qhGMsqDmuBg_lHzes5VKt5tJ3q4CSm4gsT092z_BhvW_uRg-- Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171903.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:02:27 BST PiBJIGhhdmUgb2Z0ZW4gd29uZGVyZWQgd2h5IHRoZSBoZWFkbGlnaHRzIChhIHNpZGUgbGlnaHRzKSB3ZXJlIHdpcmVkIHNvCj4gdGhhdAo.IHRoZSBpZ25pdGlvbiBkaWQgbm90IGhhdmUgdG8gYmUgdHVybmVkIG9uLsKgIERvZXMgYW55b25lIGtub3c_wqAgCsKgTGlnaHRpbmcgcmVncyBmb3IgbWFueSBFdXJvcGVhbiBjb3VudHJpZXMgcmVxdWlyZWQgYSBjYXIgcGFya2VkIGF0IG5pZ2h0IGluIGEgc3RyZWV0IHRvIGRpc3BsYXkgbGlnaHRzIHRvIGZyb250IGFuZCByZWFyLiBTbG93bHksIHRoaXMgaGFzIGIBMAEBAQE- References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> <426E67D52656418C94A043256EB5FA80@Datsun> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:02:27 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have often wondered why the headlights (a side lights) were wired so > that > the ignition did not have to be turned on. Does anyone know? Lighting regs for many European countries required a car parked at night in a street to display lights to front and rear. Slowly, this has been abandoned except possibly in Germany where the indicator switch leaves lights on on whichever side they're needed. If your market did not require this piece of equipment, you still got it because the cost of having different wiring harnesses/light switches / whatever were saved. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 04:42:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D91403EE for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CA8403CF for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hq4so2018692wib.2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:39:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GM+n75A1xB+H39oKrW+R4IdnhCUXhyHJ5C74suZlcLo=; b=ILupcwWluE2AN4mCSCnxVIqYeIzYVyLgJyj/jJ12DIabizBATkgoZh6MzEWzMGDcOd bmdgYl+41c/CdVNjwrEBlS+W0Mz3xC6V667ZpyZY7O0w5vYFGQ2PtBwk0w3o7+OkSv7n bYNgglpUwf+EeY7K03k8UuAQ5VjVeIA/2bvbSaqbQ86cTZW58VeZVgUevIDt+o+6aTu/ 8nHKkLMUE3EzDPQveAppTDTpUj4OIhGbz92avWdTakRLmr4NIkar2tpq3npFjscvVY9W sTpBtNXGk3SdYxQRVdm8mj/d8EwFViG2WnQ3nDrRnigHOm7O+464Qv3NDAqLky34orsh 7isQ== bh5mr7628286wjc.30.1371465597847; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:39:57 -0400 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 3D printing is here... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...and additive manufacturing is expected to have big impacts on a number of industries. One of the areas is spare parts, where complex parts, expensive inventory, and logistics needs are driving a lot of high-buck equipment folks to look at it. There will almost certainly be impacts on classic car parts, too. It's already starting. The July 2013 issue of Thoroughbred and Classic Cars has a tiny mention of Noble House, a Dutch Aston company, who have been making plastic and metal parts since July 2011. They mention a DBS airbox in plastic, steel DB4 door hinges, and a baffled oil sump. Over the long term there will be many Triumph parts made this way, we can be sure. The technology is just getting started. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 05:45:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EEC40441 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B68F403A5 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 31CD77000008C for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.1]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 05B96E000085 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:43:23 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371469404; bh=OOfYrT3AwuKNaF4lI4gjmS53osRyIUqAamqhavYYGQE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ltfsrmk/o52340eb/H++m6BxebRlDYmia6OW8m5f29K01SXxhhD0+aryv/HXiIrlT 53NppRhshAsmkWw6pgrRFIfQLh+OC9ViYM3qzzosL3V1WrSYvRvI5uMPOW+U2Yrkgm AlRYDYm/Y3i4ev23hTF03Y7lEnQLB2PLtmN8RGG0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a51bef65c1eca Subject: Re: [TR] 3D printing is here... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Indeed, and with small printers in the sub $10K range the major hurdle has become the 3D CAD files that are needed. Back when our cars were designed a CAD was just a person you wouldn't care to associate with. Dave In a message dated 6/17/2013 5:41:15 AM Central Daylight Time, don.hiscock@gmail.com writes: > ...and additive manufacturing is expected to have big impacts on a number > of industries. One of the areas is spare parts, where complex parts, > expensive inventory, and logistics needs are driving a lot of high-buck > equipment folks to look at it. > > There will almost certainly be impacts on classic car parts, too. It's > already starting. The July 2013 issue of Thoroughbred and Classic Cars has > a tiny mention of Noble House, a Dutch Aston company, who have been making > plastic and metal parts since July 2011. They mention a DBS airbox in > plastic, steel DB4 door hinges, and a baffled oil sump. > > Over the long term there will be many > Triumph parts made this way, we can be sure. The technology is just > getting started. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 07:29:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03A440441 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D450440323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.37.204.adsl.snet.net [69.0.37.204]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MFeCz-1Ua2sX09np-00EfPM; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:28:12 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Berger Bob" , "Listserv Triumph" References: <3227EBAE-9F2A-492D-9346-3EF4ACEA0340@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:28:08 -0400 g1QOz4eidASXzw7axH4PgSxcdv5Qz5VLDRnzU4RFTvXEgTEiYI D3kuMi35wvYMWQAqLwN6rQmfXrc14DuByYk4cOw9KFYDF3mDJU xbL4sJMU6XP69wWtO6Dd9puU7DXkkjMxelZiMpkqOPQ9+7QucD ATb6P7k247sIJHcKG+bKGrOdsd7BRCm7fMQPGtaHZQIUH8VTi1 1PFgxZV/iPsKM0bqeN5K6inw3REKC+ASGK3yd3JLxFj8zMgsGY GRVmDCacq0ol4Fh/Z17FwSSEdEdrPHZgpyAt6XCHaK1paEC4oq bWxchKItZw1ZgkO6gRbg704XS0D8PuydwFt7Z05pN Subject: Re: [TR] Buckeye Triumphs Website Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Over in the 6-Pack Forum, one of the Buckeye members said there was a "billing" issue with their hosting company that they were trying to resolve. Maybe someone has an update as it would be a shame to lose that wealth of info. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Berger Bob Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:22 AM To: Listserv Triumph ; Spitfire Group Subject: [TR] Buckeye Triumphs Website Their website is off line. Did they get hacked and take it down? Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 07:37:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5703440441 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from tr22n11a.aset.psu.edu (tr22g11a.aset.psu.edu [128.118.146.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F7E4006C for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-71-175-1-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.175.1.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by tr22n11a.aset.psu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r5HDZZkn5455974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:35:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:35:33 -0400 From: Edward Dressler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Momo steering wheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have any experience installing a Momo steering wheel on a TR4? I am mostly concerned with retaining the original horn function. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 08:38:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8D140421 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE8E40359 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail195-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.253) by CO9EHSOBE019.bigfish.com (10.236.130.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:29 +0000 Received: from mail195-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail195-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C82C80099 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:29 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BY2PRD0810HT005.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail195-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail195-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1371479666423970_24991; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.238]) by mail195-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C05714024E for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BY2PRD0810HT005.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (157.56.237.101) by CO9EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (10.236.130.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:23 +0000 Received: from BY2PRD0810MB367.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.6.104]) by BY2PRD0810HT005.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.94.40]) with mapi id 14.16.0324.000; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:22 +0000 From: "Landis,Ronald" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Sloppy brake pedal bracket Thread-Index: Ac5rZzNWUqNoCGGPSruXZmZTqZNnOQ== Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:34:21 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [205.142.59.250] Subject: [TR] Sloppy brake pedal bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net HI The brake pedal on my tr250 moves side to side enough so that my brake light does not turn off when I take my foot off the brake. Since I am fat and old it is tough to see how to fix the problem. I could loose weight or get a younger person to crawl in there:) Is there a way to repair this? Thanks Ron TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 09:07:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE4B40524 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE25403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 15:04:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 15:04:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 15:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 73857 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2013 15:04:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371481471; bh=YwMzectNWT3RyJkPRWHDMKhCHXgxa9FuVszPqKLlxHA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2TsD8Kaw7vu3kaV8iFfYKIiz4QdXdTQar6BQ2uy4F9zOqdRJBluG51JYd5tJlXLQPyXg9Fm5u4w6aCICs0fSPPg47/XoLZ3HGFXqvsflVGldg5elVddHFQ8RBTcRnxCYsXhYcMgxxSVlFrz+iMlBdel6rEY4JM/6rvi3W6uAqV0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PklzNWCdfKCbwX8X4nu7Izj0jz6/gOPxJNkVoLOItwI8dNkANTkLw1joHKgkH3f/+QU4CgBUalQFisHtRmq4OCRpgxyVOH3QwWuxsEM8nYveuNEoh/X0a9IuJ7NbD+UjdrE0jvzHeh1ZEv881uWu6c4/7NQWwf7zulLOytbl/0s=; dzrYkdKBNJ5Iuc1qmqiYPbOI015xPKRYVJaV8vlUw.AdP9uLlq6_4Dnc6GUV G6sAe2QD79XeE87x55pKVEraulcIquJppFJk_ofxok_ibze7zjhDJzHcMa2L IiKnjt2A4w6PQ8mIoiHdCBitCnWRHFr01MMhgG4NsauA1O85DwBiyY9XzJ75 XFYagjaKtJ0ne2DDO3V2SrrthPMO64oHYBJIyH4TcPKuWsEyfJwRUSpoLhRO Jk7QTAZmj5YPKPCge.3l.6.ePIt8teI10qc5WsSB5s6w_KKFt0JQwd7tA3N2 itEzUHoL78kc.g3LAhI3L0qwk.VL9lhJ1PEvw0rRwC1.02fL6upo0MZKIfBt ku3Le4aAkQ0uLc7wmSqPB1t4jQvkI0iSDKL93SXvixLouPmyi0A8vGpUEk9G WaTeayoKSpELdnNhlEp6qZzkwwCjLqj9xs5s4DOZ2e.fVDxEn4KCXs_j_m5F Qse90ld0xMJMeT8rHxsjA3Fz0.S2Je_BbKxWume7SdxMP840HJozUmGz0Bwl 392JLl4me2fDGmLPLSn5QKmhGex3Ih7OUzQkgNQ-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:04:31 PDT Sm9obgp5b3UgYWx3YXlzIGpvbHQgbXkgbWVtb3J5IHdpdGggc3R1ZmYgbGlrZSB0aGlzLgpJIHJlbWVtYmVyIG15IGRhZCBoYWQgYSByYWlsd2F5IGtlcm9zZW5lIGxhbXAgdGhhdCBoZSB3b3VsZCBsaWdodCBlYWNoIG5pZ2h0IGFuZCB0YWtlIG91dHNpZGUgYW5kIGhhbmcgb2ZmIHRoZSBndXR0ZXIgb2YgdGhlIG9sZCAzMiBGb3JkIFkgdHlwZS4KYW5kIG9uZSBtb3JlIGZvciB0aGUgcHJpdnkgYXQgdGhlIGVuZCBvZiB0aGUgeWFyZC4gbm90IHRvIGtlZXAgb25lIGJ1bSB3YXJtLCBidXTCoHRvIGtlZXAgdGgBMAEBAQE- References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> <426E67D52656418C94A043256EB5FA80@Datsun> <1371459747.71385.YahooMailNeo@web171903.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: John Macartney , "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John you always jolt my memory with stuff like this. I remember my dad had a railway kerosene lamp that he would light each night and take outside and hang off the gutter of the old 32 Ford Y type. and one more for the privy at the end of the yard. not to keep one bum warm, but to keep the temperature above freezing during the winter. else suffer the broken pipes. Frank ________________________________ From: John Macartney To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [TR] light switch TR3B > I have often wondered why the headlights (a side lights) were wired so > that > the ignition did not have to be turned on. Does anyone know? Lighting regs for many European countries required a car parked at night in a street to display lights to front and rear. Slowly, this has been abandoned except possibly in Germany where the indicator switch leaves lights on on whichever side they're needed. If your market did not require this piece of equipment, you still got it because the cost of having different wiring harnesses/light switches / whatever were saved. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 10:40:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B960403D4 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316E540323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.3.166]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id pUda1l0083aukVy01UdaFx; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:37:36 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Landis,Ronald'" , References: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:37:36 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJuh2dhKTQZ8Q+s9h8qgqmCmruKzJf54mBg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Sloppy brake pedal bracket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, Ron. To me, the pedal moving side-to-side indicates wear on the shaft and/or bushings - a relatively easy fix. The brake light not going off may or may not be related, and could be as simple as a sticky brake switch. And yes - get a younger person to go take a look. Or someone down the road in Michigan.......... Andrew Uprichard Down the road in Michigan -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Landis,Ronald Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:34 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Sloppy brake pedal bracket HI The brake pedal on my tr250 moves side to side enough so that my brake light does not turn off when I take my foot off the brake. Since I am fat and old it is tough to see how to fix the problem. I could loose weight or get a younger person to crawl in there:) Is there a way to repair this? Thanks Ron TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 11:09:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9709403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFA24038B for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D9BED700373AF; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.254.12] (rrcs-70-62-89-167.midsouth.biz.rr.com [70.62.89.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 74483E00014A; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:06:57 -0400 (EDT) References: <51BF10A5.7050808@psu.edu> From: Jack Mc Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:06:58 -0400 To: Edward Dressler x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1371488817; bh=V8upNW8LPKEVuUHfjdoONF6Qq9UroOKYlhgXpQVE45s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=xYB3CzeTF8Bz9bpZXJ0pEOHnuskbPQoQ1YiS1hOaoYFWE627Xw+Ao/dsPMrhkoPia hN5G2mVDnLRw1WAS9yQar/CLWJqVuahTBTXeshvl/6g5i7cXAm6dyk8+e/iKvfx/5X ySENgw15a0o6Ui4oYP1iFH08GiApHFR3unQj0uGU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338251bf42316b13 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Momo steering wheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, sure have. - well...on a TR6, but it should be the same - get a Momo horn button and it will work fine Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Edward Dressler wrote: > Anyone have any experience installing a Momo steering wheel on a TR4? I am mostly concerned with retaining the original horn function. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 12:11:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5E2403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:11:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22549400AD for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:07:10 -0600 (MDT) a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:17 a=ctP1I5ahBe4A:10 a=bBHy7SsB6Q0A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8A2-SfLM0G8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=p3vUPlZOfQQA:10 a=XqIM5S8bF3IO5J18Yf4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=i+ZnmGSh0+SU47K8N6GOxA==:117 Received: from [98.145.70.134] ([98.145.70.134:60821] helo=GatewayPC) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from <308gtsi@roadrunner.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/A6-14128-1005FB15; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:05:53 +0000 From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi@roadrunner.com> To: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:05:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5rhUyD6aydBAhrReeOluhqsr9MHg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] 3D printing is here... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don, I agree! I have a small 3D printer and it is incredible to be able to make anything you can think of (well, almost!). Of course, the tough part is learning the CAD software required to be able to "print" a part. Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ...and additive manufacturing is expected to have big impacts on a number of industries. One of the areas is spare parts, where complex parts, expensive inventory, and logistics needs are driving a lot of high-buck equipment folks to look at it. There will almost certainly be impacts on classic car parts, too. It's already starting. The July 2013 issue of Thoroughbred and Classic Cars has a tiny mention of Noble House, a Dutch Aston company, who have been making plastic and metal parts since July 2011. They mention a DBS airbox in plastic, steel DB4 door hinges, and a baffled oil sump. Over the long term there will be many Triumph parts made this way, we can be sure. The technology is just getting started. ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 13:28:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160BF403E8 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2D540323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOJ0072SXZRAQ12@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:26:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:26:17 -0400 Thread-index: AQFPNdSYmykI/C2YAZbJPpWJO1/hKAJtWtZSmiVKBbA= Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No one in Tampa carries Redline products. Are there any comparable products. Found Royal Purple, Lucas, Amsoil (but not sure about GearOil), Castrol, Mobil. Of course I put off this part of the project until it is too late to go online.... Suggestions appreciated. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 AM To: 'Carl TR'; Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and > didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed > before) I use Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in the diff since about 1985. Works great. Redline MT-90 in the gearbox/OD (both A & J). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 13:42:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF21403FB for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66977403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pWM31l0040lTkoCAFXbUop; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:35:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pXbT1l00l3NmwNy8QXbUJG; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:35:28 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:35:27 -0700 References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net s=q20121106; t=1371497728; bh=UqF2mE5uYeC39/RhXe+NdvSJwOybRNvWCdnjOGPI0AQ=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=NVRRHIviY5N74/VBFDDLEDZ/+X3BWkow+XZnUEyo3caOaMG6s8b/b6V37Dz3OsI+t ww8rFy25h0Rt74s+0lgMHnmsFGO3jGs4XfWyk8qXmQi3ZnR+41Kc93Fn3IpbxYq/Pm 0irz8Y4LlWJfoDwJz97EMjh9PxUqWTKe1KW9CmHsPae2iOZU/axxXJ9gVIVLYkGYtR sJcYmgHpRS0mdZB/gveFIAn1KkriCT6kk5OxnZZiCGOyZfPMvYmMCn2tPJcz6FHz7T pra3THet9tEaFpbBhX6NGmU4Zu40Gfs63SfaWiGsYWOlOAk1eYwgeT9Ch+T7L7pRR+ ck7zYgqeKjgcQ== Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can buy Redline Oil Products online b& redlineoil.com On Jun 17, 2013, at 12:26 PM, "Carl-TR" wrote: > No one in Tampa carries Redline products. Are there any comparable > products. Found Royal Purple, Lucas, Amsoil (but not sure about GearOil), > Castrol, Mobil. > Of course I put off this part of the project until it is too late to go > online.... > > Suggestions appreciated. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 AM > To: 'Carl TR'; Triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > >> Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and >> didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed >> before) > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 13:46:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA3F4052E for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC1740323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so3115346pde.32 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ygpWAS5oWJUdCAazR9SAy/qSJm8AJLXVhiP9TDE+JQo=; b=w4d6idxHbtSr++qD33m0GxMQHWCFReBge+G9ZODQrwsNbhRuqJh+fqe9tKr56HiUT2 mfg8vO+4xfOr3Fo3KUrAMqZDwHv43tgx5WPeWnCkIJenffD6vWtOXUwT7E+y5lGS+P2U h6odTtPxT1CTh616GlIwKCy6e2QI5aWpYy4xyUSmnNE/ruoD1mSB0x2NQbGUKWRJvYsP Ap1PMy6fgFMGa08WAONJvHKjSFGDb645d5lKzQYH8KyaUeT/+vH9Gxj7A5x3cr/X2KzR smb1lADJw/SNTvkx7VoRnNDjjg6hKzkua7h9QrzUeHuQa3kPV4cJSnaKsaYYeMY3jDGU zCQw== ya5mr14054016pbb.110.1371498326741; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.9 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:45:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:45:26 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: TR list Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Did a red line dealer search for Tampa and found 4 within 50 miles; one in Tampa 1Cycle Gear 12 W. Fletcher Avenue Tampa, FL 33612 course they may not have the prouct you are looking for. there also was Lowe's Performance in Sarasota On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carl-TR wrote: > No one in Tampa carries Redline products. Are there any comparable > products. Found Royal Purple, Lucas, Amsoil (but not sure about GearOil), > Castrol, Mobil. > Of course I put off this part of the project until it is too late to go > online.... > > Suggestions appreciated. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 AM > To: 'Carl TR'; Triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > > > Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and > > didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed > > before) > > I use Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in the diff since about 1985. > Works > great. > > Redline MT-90 in the gearbox/OD (both A & J). > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triosan@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 14:14:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119184053F for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58811403B1 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOJ004QOZYGEH50@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:09:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "'William Pugh'" References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> <5C3EDF01-C0B5-4EBC-9EC6-FD036465E989@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:08:43 -0400 Thread-index: AQFPNdSYmykI/C2YAZbJPpWJO1/hKAJtWtZSAfz1l+MCs76pAZn/0Lgg Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I realize that b but timing is an issue. C From: William Pugh [mailto:anabil007@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:35 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid You can buy Redline Oil Products online b& redlineoil.com On Jun 17, 2013, at 12:26 PM, "Carl-TR" wrote: No one in Tampa carries Redline products. Are there any comparable products. Found Royal Purple, Lucas, Amsoil (but not sure about GearOil), Castrol, Mobil. Of course I put off this part of the project until it is too late to go online.... Suggestions appreciated. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 AM To: 'Carl TR'; Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed before) "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 15:02:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A204042C for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from xsmtp10.mail2web.com (xsmtp30.mail2web.com [168.144.250.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD16403B1 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.5.41.30] (helo=M2W130.mail2web.com) by xsmtp10.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UogXx-0002OY-PF; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:01:06 -0400 From: "v6spitfireguy@cox.net" To: 308gtsi@roadrunner.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:01:58 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 3D printing is here... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If Anyone needs CAD files for 3D printing, let me know. I can do them in Solidworks 2011 if I have the original part to copy, the drawing, or the dimensions needed. *******************Original message********************* Don, I agree! I have a small 3D printer and it is incredible to be able to make anything you can think of (well, almost!). Of course, the tough part is learning the CAD software required to be able to "print" a part. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 15:45:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7269740425 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E787A403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MOK001KX4CICLS0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:43:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'" References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:43:31 -0400 Thread-index: AQFPNdSYmykI/C2YAZbJPpWJO1/hKAJtWtZSAfz1l+MBW1sRp5oKrlAQ Content-language: en-us Expiry-date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Cc: 'TR list' Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net They don't carry MT90 only cycle products From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:45 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: TR list Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Did a red line dealer search for Tampa and found 4 within 50 miles; one in Tampa 1Cycle Gear 12 W. Fletcher Avenue Tampa, FL 33612 course they may not have the prouct you are looking for. there also was Lowe's Performance in Sarasota On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carl-TR wrote: No one in Tampa carries Redline products. Are there any comparable products. Found Royal Purple, Lucas, Amsoil (but not sure about GearOil), Castrol, Mobil. Of course I put off this part of the project until it is too late to go online.... Suggestions appreciated. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 AM To: 'Carl TR'; Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and > didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed > before) I use Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in the diff since about 1985. Works great. Redline MT-90 in the gearbox/OD (both A & J). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triosan@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 16:38:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2E6403DD for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F4F403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pVaq1l0050ldTLk5BacW6D; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:36:30 +0000 Received: from [10.247.207.246] ([174.225.6.173]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pacM1l00L3jzPie01acQ0D; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:36:28 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:36:27 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1371508590; bh=W9da9Ln+G65eeyq1QKHsJwi8aQPWvk2jflnko3edFr8=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WxL0ohJNdstzIkeIYvUrG2IrItfWMImPdB+7GShhsHEdzoLLGYINWyxsx/3AKJMPS uVRKSB1IXAAkywmTHn4gjQpTFxqt5q11BS/HARxVaUEvKJRbn3WQeKTUhouSTK3DJ2 qpsFP7EtiLu7itYn0GrWWydf+Tw4e/D7q9ncDeJOqKf6N2k/XxvUhk17bZHtybLu4J butRYFyOutElbJVWh+RoHAvQCcmI/XAg2EgRjkTFuiOH4mTx+KVGpTF0tokCn5UhSM Z5muVZwVXgszxEsgBH1STlMuTDiXuJ0t1u+GklZ224YPQz0bM1kiewgo+gtghmlhsb fU18Y+wy98JSg== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Tranny_part_needed?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Putting in Herman van akkers 5 speed kit, and ran into a problem. The housing that holds the end of the shift lever to the single rail shift rod is too long to use on the supra box. Herman supplied a p/n of 33502-14100, which apparently fits a lot of the boxes. Unfortunately, being a non wear item, Toyota doesn't have but one nationally, and its stupid money. Junkyards won't sell it, because you have to pull the rear of the trans apart to get it. Does anyone have an idea where to find a part like this? It would have to be remnants of a gearbox stripdown on a bad box. It's the part the shift lever ball fits into, if that makes it clearer... Thanks in advance. 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[174.26.61.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id br1sm15410130pbb.4.2013.06.17.15.56.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:56:45 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/17/13 12:26 PM, Carl-TR wrote: > No one in Tampa carries Redline products. I have the same problem is Flagstaff. But Amazon.com sells Redline. Among other places I use it in my Land Rover's gearbox. It makes a BIG difference in cold shifts made during single digit winter mornings. These days it goes most anyplace that doesn't leak in both of my cars. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 18:16:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF7C403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B4D403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:15:10 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=R8iNVjBX8hMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ec157T2eIksA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6QM-vhKMw_g9v_tgVMkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:54199] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7A/18-16377-046AFB15; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:13:52 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" Cc: "'TR list'" References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:13:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you can't get redline you can use GL4 rated gear oil, most if not all the off the shelf stuff it GL5, I think you can get GL4 still at some NAPA stores, or they can usually get it in from another location in a day or less. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Carl-TR" Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:43 PM To: "'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'" Cc: "'TR list'" Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > They don't carry MT90 only cycle products > > > > > > From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:45 PM > To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net > Cc: TR list > Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > > > > Did a red line dealer search for Tampa and found 4 within 50 miles; one in > Tampa > > > > 1Cycle Gear > > 12 W. Fletcher Avenue > Tampa, FL 33612 > > > > course they may not have the prouct you are looking for. > > > > there also was > > Lowe's Performance in Sarasota > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carl-TR wrote: > > No one in Tampa carries Redline products. Are there any comparable > products. Found Royal Purple, Lucas, Amsoil (but not sure about > GearOil), > Castrol, Mobil. > Of course I put off this part of the project until it is too late to go > online.... > > Suggestions appreciated. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 AM > To: 'Carl TR'; Triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid > >> Same question for the rear diff. thanks - I searched the archive and >> didn't really see any even though I know this has been discussed >> before) > > I use Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in the diff since about 1985. > Works > great. > > Redline MT-90 in the gearbox/OD (both A & J). > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triosan@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 18:23:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7880E4042C for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923424006F for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.37.204.adsl.snet.net [69.0.37.204]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpbM-1Uojgj1yjo-0005W7; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:22:24 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "triumphs" , References: <20130617223802.B523F4041F@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:22:21 -0400 37hDfXL5EaNwkX4CDJefJK5fKHjeOzO/ZE86NM3CxKOBsPO4jc U76LyDB7OIu04bzJzum63yNFGGYyBzreyb1278BnAETCkybWle 5fU8AvNt+9detYvLqfnYqsEtr7MdkcZGBm3+NwFm86NGu+lruD /DLpNtOEUcp7N7FZxPNG7aEZji0aAkBgwIoQbQYK64VkI5GLRD Rqi2yYfu16Hzv1T0IRckoTLYa5RwvPp4U5t13iJZIa2jTKgKPE ROC2Vavd4+i3qJ7EZl/B+cJBM3qmnFO85F2a4XjBbpzDBq573C r7OAYXV/Vpb2GhSXV1p2Y6PzAjqNR8sIqYYkXOWDm Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny part needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can't help you on the part but maybe some of the info on this page will help http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5SpeedDaneWilson.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: spook01@comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:36 PM To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Tranny part needed Putting in Herman van akkers 5 speed kit, and ran into a problem. The housing that holds the end of the shift lever to the single rail shift rod is too long to use on the supra box. Herman supplied a p/n of 33502-14100, which apparently fits a lot of the boxes. Unfortunately, being a non wear item, Toyota doesn't have but one nationally, and its stupid money. Junkyards won't sell it, because you have to pull the rear of the trans apart to get it. Does anyone have an idea where to find a part like this? It would have to be remnants of a gearbox stripdown on a bad box. It's the part the shift lever ball fits into, if that makes it clearer... Thanks in advance. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 18:42:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E10E403C8 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A05403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170025pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOK0053YCJDMPN1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.45.178.231 ([108.45.178.231]) by vms170025 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:40:25 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net, spook01@comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny part needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I see the part on several of the discount OEM Toyota websites with a search in Google for around $80. Don't know if that is stupid money or not. Craig 72 TR6 On 06/17/13, Bob<75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: Can't help you on the part but maybe some of the info on this page will help http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5SpeedDaneWilson.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: spook01@comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:36 PM To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Tranny part needed Putting in Herman van akkers 5 speed kit, and ran into a problem. The housing that holds the end of the shift lever to the single rail shift rod is too long to use on the supra box. Herman supplied a p/n of 33502-14100, which apparently fits a lot of the boxes. Unfortunately, being a non wear item, Toyota doesn't have but one nationally, and its stupid money. Junkyards won't sell it, because you have to pull the rear of the trans apart to get it. Does anyone have an idea where to find a part like this? It would have to be remnants of a gearbox stripdown on a bad box. It's the part the shift lever ball fits into, if that makes it clearer... Thanks in advance. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 21:27:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3590940425 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EEC40323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=xXpSgAIIy/4oVRe/0WNLZQ==:17 a=Gps4vYki_aAA:10 a=XA2_3MwsCfYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ec157T2eIksA:10 a=mZlEULkWbIqGjZ6JOocA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xXpSgAIIy/4oVRe/0WNLZQ==:117 Received: from [207.119.156.131] ([207.119.156.131:49324] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id CA/1D-15971-321DFB15; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:16:51 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <20683919.1562531.1371135786293.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><17F439E591FE48F0AC8CA801EB1C6E53@Meislaptop><5C3EDF01-C0B5-4EBC-9EC6-FD036465E989@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:16:49 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFPNdSYmykI/C2YAZbJPpWJO1/hKAJtWtZSAfz1l+MCs76pAZn/0LgggAB1HVA= Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I realize that b but timing is an issue. Amazon will ship next day, for an extra fee. But their price was low enough (compared to local stores) that the overall cost might not be much higher. My second choice if the MT-90 is not available would be Valvoline VR1 or NSL 20W50 racing motor oil. Ken Gillanders ran a 5-year test in his ex-racing TR2 and reported the gearbox "looked like new" when they tore it down. Herman van den Akker also recommends it. And I ran it in my A-type for a lot of years. Supposedly the high ZDDP content helps to protect the thrust washers, and of course motor oil is what both Laycock and Standard-Triumph recommended for many years. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 21:46:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B862403DD for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C97A40407 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TVroompc (host-74-211-0-30.beyondbb.com [74.211.0.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLNQw-1UoEac0HiM-000sGQ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:43:01 -0400 From: "Jeremiah Curry" To: "Triumph Discussion" Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:41:08 -0600 b73belpZG/RbdQIdSUhKIhTIilt9yY/maSvkfHUv16hSMqA7ZS Bws9w7fuPWpTH4Ykxgk64bYHhO6RxJVylHoN2TY839KjAe6wqu nh+WCHSCNMzIIrhnrcf51pQdf2l0vyyrmn4mLRTn8YVksfwTsr hjtckM+hzzwao4X3EX/UfPOfb4I1runyMo8Kz04eyxVIaJkhLa T66glGtmxx4JpXzYZR7qRH+v+Tlv4+M0zqMm3ZGDcugmYi2Zpb IcxMoOu74/6RhmLYsEK91QTXx4Yaw/aWw+c8GYT+IIsoqjhiBm OLJ2LAX6yFJceP+Nc0ZKqz4PIIY4KaEQ/vtx7qk9e Subject: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So for quite a while my 57 TR3 hasnbt run quite right. It overheated and had low oil pressure when I drove it from my old house to my new one; blew the headgasket. Well, I replaced the headgasked about a year back and it drives, but I have a lot of fumes coming our the valve cover and it sounds like there is a knock. Today I got around to compression testing it and here are the results: 1. (front) 70 2. 150 3. 160 4. 160 So I guess the next step is to drop the oil pan and take out that piston? thanks, Jeremiah ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 22:03:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA853403DA for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from davesource.com (davesource.com [66.135.55.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7591E403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dave by davesource.com with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uon5R-0001io-33 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:00:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:00:04 -0700 From: David Ljung Madison To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 219 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Over in the 6-Pack Forum, one of the Buckeye members said there was a > "billing" issue with their hosting company that they were trying to resolve. > > Maybe someone has an update as it would be a shame to lose that wealth of > info. Thank heavens for the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20130602050340/http://buckeyetriumphs.org/ In personal news, my poor old TR3A is finally coming home in a few months. I've only been able to put 5 or so miles on it in the last few years (thanks to someone T-boning me right after I got it back from the body shop). Missing my Triumph! Dave http://triumph.Daveola.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 22:37:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5044F40407 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD81403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=xXpSgAIIy/4oVRe/0WNLZQ==:17 a=Gps4vYki_aAA:10 a=E-OG_LRS8b4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=bdixduhs5pIA:10 a=IzDNRkJcsV8S5j50yu8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xXpSgAIIy/4oVRe/0WNLZQ==:117 Received: from [207.119.156.131] ([207.119.156.131:49575] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 58/2B-14128-E63EFB15; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:34:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph Discussion'" References: <0334727208284CEB8DA90B487B5C80D1@TVroompc> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:34:52 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5r1jgtpk1ymiqkSJCQRKDAEbsQiQABkRMw Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Today I got around to compression testing it and here are the > results: > > 1. (front) 70 > 2. 150 > 3. 160 > 4. 160 > > So I guess the next step is to drop the oil pan and take out that piston? Yup, tho I'd pull the head first (you'll need to do both anyway, the pistons won't come out the bottom). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 22:38:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C4940E19 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BFE403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.7] helo=mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uondi-0001kV-G4 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:35:30 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uondh-0004nc-SI; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:35:29 -0400 Received: from webmail09.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.9]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id pgbW1l0030BjuP601gbWPM; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:35:30 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=E-OG_LRS8b4A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=bdixduhs5pIA:10 a=ocOfAnK2p4RURqqibI4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=q6NVzdlt57AJyaPGGSdtcg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail09.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UondQ-0006nG-Ap; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:35:12 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:35:12 -0400 References: <0334727208284CEB8DA90B487B5C80D1@TVroompc> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:35:12 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Jeremiah Curry" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: Triumph Discussion Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When is the last time the valve clearance was adjusted? A worn valve seat can reduce the .010 clearance at the valve rocker. Greg G. Osseo, MN > So for quite a while my 57 TR3 hasnbt run quite right. It overheated and > had low oil pressure when I drove it from my old house to my new one; blew > the > headgasket. Well, I replaced the headgasked about a year back and it > drives, > but I have a lot of fumes coming our the valve cover and it sounds like > there > is a knock. Today I got around to compression testing it and here are the > results: > > 1. (front) 70 > > 2. 150 > > 3. 160 > > 4. 160 > > > > So I guess the next step is to drop the oil pan and take out that piston? > > > > thanks, > > Jeremiah ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 23:40:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FAE403FC for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-05.shaw.ca (smtp-out-05.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F34403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:38:42 -0600 (MDT) cv=7/EMZfWbaVtDMdTqnk9efwidrOfQb3DZMdpNhNw5Oc4= c=1 sm=1 a=opHwsCyINgsA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=Zo5iRq0y8qOGfK0RJzDLCg==:17 a=LAyA4EUwGUo2jzBrBJEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3NcKlk6fLpGX2YBdWHMA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([70.71.254.254]) by smtp-out-05.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 17 Jun 2013 23:37:22 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:37:19 -0700 From: LT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net /Bill in Tehachapi wrote// // //About every 3 years my TR3A turn signal flasher starts malfunctioning. It works fine and then one day it will work fine on the right turn signal and the left turn signal will flash one time and stop. I have a buzzer hooked in with the indicator light so I can hear it when the turn signal is on. Anyway, I am on about my 5th or 6th turn signal flasher unit and wondering if anyone has an idea what causes them to fail. A new flasher unit seems to fix it every time, for awhile. I bought a new "heavy duty" flasher unit from NAPA that looked similar, but the turn signal indicator doesn't work at all now, although the turn signals themselves work. It probably takes too much electricity to run or something. I have a new flasher on order from MOSS. I order them two at a time now... TIA, Bill in Tehachapi/ I have what I believe is the same problem (right hand side flashes once from what I recall). It's been a while since I purchased the car and removed the head looking for what might cause steam to be generated in the # 1 cylinder. By the way, I had the opportunity to stay in a Tehachapi motel for a night in March. My wife and I just got under the covers and within 20 minutes, we thought a locomotive was coming through the parking lot. Went on all night every couple of hours. I will remember to drive by next time no matter how tired I am. Larry in Vancouver. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 07:17:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A804054B for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A293E40356 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hv10so2913844vcb.36 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:13:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KMitw8KupSoTDF4quPeuw9hir73A5060elLEJmCZ+40=; b=rRYOdOzCg2jNqTxSdW6176Cx3okSCR24/C4PT2AZRddWMLAPiUFl/teqyk+j/Rb2dY ZT0iFIMD6KrE8kggFhYP6IPIgNj2Wqf0A4mK82wntKSO+Zb9q3WLZv9rMCNrKjVFAKmp 0NF1wYQzJ5BnsY4G29mvof4IckwQGcElSCb7mMgUjYmZy+RvbO/x7RQ9aT8mCU6X/Y5z WMidi8fW36tOQElvIjF7rp/SAwosKv2rrDlj9zI8nGJNt3zgJXEqVvh4/7c5mxnhXrlM UvivccfWi44FBxZGT+DTxv60OaHtZ39ZfODdTNA1MDz8Mx2/kuZKXRxUMoGcDZzNcc9r JF9w== lh10mr1520277vdb.39.1371561225261; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:13:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <51BFF20F.40705@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:13:45 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: LT Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:37 PM, LT wrote: > By the way, I had the opportunity to stay in a Tehachapi motel for a night > in March. My wife and I just got under the covers and within 20 minutes, we > thought a locomotive was coming through the parking lot. Went on all night > every couple of hours. I will remember to drive by next time no matter how > tired I am. And I made a note to seek out that motel the next time we're in the area. My favorite is La Posada in Winslow (great restaurant) where we get the FDR room -- right next to the tracks, but your suggestion sounds great too. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 08:04:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A4240572 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6755840417 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=xXpSgAIIy/4oVRe/0WNLZQ==:17 a=Gps4vYki_aAA:10 a=ViXdm41Wx0UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=fSe6DUiOUaEA:10 a=voY2TY__3NeR-OvSX0sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xXpSgAIIy/4oVRe/0WNLZQ==:117 Received: from [207.119.156.131] ([207.119.156.131:49218] helo=Meislaptop) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D0/FA-14128-C9760C15; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:58:54 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Triumphs'" References: <51BFF20F.40705@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:58:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5sJf8cGqtF462RSD2OG7uz6EOQyAABMXwg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Turn Signal Flasher Failures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > And I made a note to seek out that motel the next time we're in the area. Of course if you're going to visit Tehachapi (and you like trains), be sure to see the famous Tehachapi loop. It twists so tightly that the front of the train can actually pass under (or over) the rear. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:39:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B222403B2 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A260440395 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TVroompc (host-74-211-0-30.beyondbb.com [74.211.0.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lu7qw-1U8deJ3zvy-011RS1; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:01:16 -0400 From: "Jeremiah Curry" To: "Randall" , "'Triumph Discussion'" References: <0334727208284CEB8DA90B487B5C80D1@TVroompc> <5B03FE443A4941B084F4C9FE5D06B32D@Meislaptop> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:59:21 -0600 kIJ1jLejDpSbKScifuaJAKgUZcYdhkHlqQavOeI6V+rvnXJRll V80ApC9F0wF6lMOzgp3bpF/LBmZ0ut0mhbin3rZMqA0HBTWP8E jjoTVHg349qUiwfvX1FCLRL1KgPXq0wW+/kI5vYpOgEJLpeU+Z 5lo2s6DjBnL2Uk96XBNMmLEPMFWlBLmM6qMiHNSuzHic6AbFqq n4uovN3UOM858Y+KQ5denDNKODQ98nDgpd9aG16Lq54KQIdtAD Zqr226GbyJC1JvAZ/qF4GDIbi0pxO/GCsSGRxmycEKzQQt2XsR ZdqQas3BZtonQpwy9bLloku3tbokVqRg5vOWcaG91 Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall, I was thinking I could take the piston out the bottom. What else should I look for when I take the head off? -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:34 PM To: 'Triumph Discussion' Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results > Today I got around to compression testing it and here are the > results: > > 1. (front) 70 > 2. 150 > 3. 160 > 4. 160 > > So I guess the next step is to drop the oil pan and take out that piston? Yup, tho I'd pull the head first (you'll need to do both anyway, the pistons won't come out the bottom). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah@curryclan.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:45:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A1740446 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CED403B2 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TVroompc (host-74-211-0-30.beyondbb.com [74.211.0.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LdHWT-1UOw1e0lzV-00iuLU; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:00:01 -0400 From: "Jeremiah Curry" To: References: <0334727208284CEB8DA90B487B5C80D1@TVroompc> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:58:07 -0600 sEYH1tmUondr8i9jkxRfZTlJz1hhYrRbTOTS5HFaP85hofRAj7 zfFZ+zklqftZ6FfYOPjAV2Ui0eHaoRYiI8R5aLQ2NfOeE6kWSI BM2u3U9WvFQW7aSC9j7xKtjfxEu7q8od9K29SDzWSYNP0czA2g 4JLyxT7QbIvrZItZdUhhSOWIaNVVzWhYnh4YT/nCDI3P8IHQpJ kdbn+QDozlbr6gmBTJQRGqFakGXWWFvuhzwidBmWVzqjxEXkdY 4k2dOFpv7nj7draHWqrxB6pBbomHyrbH32sa2CbD7u3mq4HTJm w82cI+aYteRvChI7+IRSVlYZNPEBm2sOIIR2muDDh Cc: Triumph Discussion Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The head was rebuilt about 1,000 miles ago with hardened valve seats, new valves etc. There were cracks in the head that were fixed at the same time. I tried adjusting the valve clearance...which was a little off, but if anything the compression went down a little. Too bad, that would have been a nice easy fix. -----Original Message----- From: greg@gelhar.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:35 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Triumph Discussion Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results When is the last time the valve clearance was adjusted? A worn valve seat can reduce the .010 clearance at the valve rocker. Greg G. Osseo, MN > So for quite a while my 57 TR3 hasnbt run quite right. It overheated and > had low oil pressure when I drove it from my old house to my new one; blew > the > headgasket. Well, I replaced the headgasked about a year back and it > drives, > but I have a lot of fumes coming our the valve cover and it sounds like > there > is a knock. Today I got around to compression testing it and here are the > results: > > 1. (front) 70 > > 2. 150 > > 3. 160 > > 4. 160 > > > > So I guess the next step is to drop the oil pan and take out that piston? > > > > thanks, > > Jeremiah ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 08:27:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784D640E1B for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19617403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170126pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOP00J0O43N0PH1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:26:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170126 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:26:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:26:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny/Overdrive & Diff fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Extra fee... $80+ depending on one or two day.... I found a local distributor of Brad Penn GL4 80w90 which is what TRF recommends. So all is good with the universe. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 06/17/13, Randall wrote: > I realize that b but timing is an issue. Amazon will ship next day, for an extra fee. But their price was low enough (compared to local stores) that the overall cost might not be much higher. My second choice if the MT-90 is not available would be Valvoline VR1 or NSL 20W50 racing motor oil. Ken Gillanders ran a 5-year test in his ex-racing TR2 and reported the gearbox "looked like new" when they tore it down. Herman van den Akker also recommends it. And I ran it in my A-type for a lot of years. Supposedly the high ZDDP content helps to protect the thrust washers, and of course motor oil is what both Laycock and Standard-Triumph recommended for many years. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 08:31:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B0640E02 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B77403E3 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170126pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOP004GW48UKAQ1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:29:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170126 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:29:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:29:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS is not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding address). Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no guarantee that he is still alive) Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 08:45:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FA84056E for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2698A40333 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so5112894vea.15 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oYHKBpznaq5fGT0WTpOb01cfmbsHLOO2TkjuuJBa7F0=; b=zMEJPVUk6hclZdj3VMAM3XXsJnFsPhpuTeN5BDQIaGG5ncTOgeuPhD7CjvoduezumM CUsYMRQJbGZY53bSvv+rxdCfyuT8Iu9IVwqQ/3+5wUP/IM3r6ojtPMJDqh0zzPKc17Hq kY7mxkD2NdnesrHlPdzRShyP4TkActh3hJ0kctAjHPEQz5f+4qvksx8CNrUWeDXi0HJ6 xhcSm5x9MIesYk4h+VMW6VMn9jtYZIrO2yI3kcBlGl+gJxxtShtjG0g7czgHn2dxtz7y 3JGAAe6rGG5DYSrThCPN9NSlMZlM5FO3ucuW3M2MYRHakS89USdV3ghSdxFLZw5Cqpdq gyIQ== xg18mr2948695vcb.57.1371739431128; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.163.84 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <19102847.1181238.1371738558423.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:43:51 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Carl TR Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl - I believe there are services that 'help' one title vehicles with limited documentation using a state that is not so fussy. I seem to recall that Alabama is the state of choice for some of these services. A Google may turn them up if no one here has direct experience. Geo On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Carl TR wrote: > I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of > Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS is > not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding > address). Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities > nationwide - no guarantee that he is still alive) > > > Carl > 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO > mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 09:02:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1718403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm47-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.121.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C417403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:00:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:00:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 42441 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2013 15:00:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371740450; bh=LrpIqSfaB8sGGQuN26EmuPWNTJuXr95qY22L/h3xKJs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6A7M7H/tgyAWMxBZ4S1F4bIfA1ZKunx1lvxeEyfzcolU7Fm02ZdtCsZIhddXTLWeIBcb3cQ1/Oe/pi9rwK8cFLjjrqG2BhUAob2DGwkaCpLvML8uHTVHphTyUhZONSucIp2c7KPXTinixHSA94SwQpvRsSSW7m10ggr7ZirwcdA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3eGE/yBK27Og8qLkrYfZpaWFzHqQwf80BHvB7qjU7waFFxh1p3NDH5sFiPDOSVUQajDIbqqeX1mfUkob8OJTgbnRH9EaW1dp0+Djck+S7ly7R73xlS4h0x3p/4jxbN5B1RovfC4pyrJQ32stmw28KyLsbtviEzuR61v+pdDjSMQ=; S8JIxqvV4udFbVvrel6RSUvCpY4PrRQt8Rz1izqknFxiUjMgmYytzLPflTP2 0mHnmB8OMQbkxg_NAxYc2z7VsskAr2g7Gpjk6nSi9tzHYEDdN6D.Dsx0c1hO OtP_GH7WwhzOCWLX_lfRafJ1GgVMBCoAvseaOn5WCP9hYv8DJfVeXpN9o4Nv JcDekagOKtVAE0Scl8p4ko7T0qmaMadaO3USr4R3l5Ys5KFPXx.N_DPBlpiw cSRbRLgap2Pa0JJMLPap8aof_BK0Mms182JUYlvgpigYdIc2oXV1iPArU_ak XQkb3Zgg8VlJQyQhesAD8mTm80Pq9a5JuvNrhEyNfsNXccgOZbXqz5fOMWpp DDs3EUQRFuMRCS1uvHx0evzaIY3qRuTD1jlQDwsXtPeN8O7pFZY3Hd4S9R1N VQUZvqt_Q54GewS75am1flvHuV3xXLtV7XFUeVHAOgSY8_q1c0r0jf4POnN3 UJi9VbRCHySsiydyyz.8xX80OWsLRYBw1NlFFO3ULiERLDMW9r7nZr5BDeHT WYZpapYykQa7Xu6DH_dj0f7KlN019p.9U_zXJPSQ- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:00:49 PDT Q2FybApoZXJlIGluIENhbGlmb3JuaWEgd2UgY2FuIHJlZ2lzdGVyIGEgY2FyIGF0IG91ciBBQUEgb2ZmaWNlLgp3aGVuIGJ1ZGR5IEN1cnQgaGFkIHRyb3VibGUgYXQgdGhlIERNViByZWdpc3RlcmluZyBoaXMgZGVhZCBkYWRzIGNhciBpbiBoaXMgbmFtZSwgaGUgd2VudCB0byB0aGUgQUFBIG9mZmljZSBhbmQgaXQgd2FzIGFuIGVhc3kgc3RlcC4KwqAKRnJhbmsKIAoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IENhcmwgVFIgPGNmbXRyM2FAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ.ClRvOiBUcml1bXABMAEBAQE- References: <19102847.1181238.1371738558423.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Carl TR , "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl here in California we can register a car at our AAA office. when buddy Curt had trouble at the DMV registering his dead dads car in his name, he went to the AAA office and it was an easy step. Frank ________________________________ From: Carl TR To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:29 AM Subject: [TR] FL DMV I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS is not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding address). Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no guarantee that he is still alive) Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 09:03:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE51540C01 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51559403D9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.104] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 15:01:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371740514; bh=6wpEEI7oOt4aZVZ0pjtA5iJBV0LmhJdv9GWpP9tgRcE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=BGp+TesB9l8PP4cGLI5zeZGmuFmlPHVR/BAuaAAEo7U/Q3UGdcdILvq3qiJHgkrIqOGf6XHNkHra38MIYGoK3FJdqgXzfDUwr8+9Z38pEE3hZrWh5eP6XrF5Hv3mkOX3q1crdS42tb3PqiGOcb3ejQJVtQ5onmzkPcaGHqoqae8= iNJ.lnzXpMh10bR_s6r.sceYfSHd49PD965lxP9gybEXBa43vgDlApboWhE6 8KyHaX39SH7m6o6F9qlmv8fVoQzaK_W65F.nWI5zmjzyJcmUMxJque5r0tuv lbb5DyhpbMcoF7pmBZ3oZho7SUaOidolmvApWT6xe85nCYnKapvfc_qzSKzQ YEfSTW1LPeh07bS_dliZ0Eer27F0SS70jxlYricRQMSYYW0qYi8dB_l54k02 T0N8R54M4SdBToIwJgURyVALEj17OpWuZmjEo51aB_qhcjONnaDWYK0bc7vq IM8t_fsKb7aZO1sgevgryojvvAg4GgQHmkmcISivK3Jqqc3Gx3VrBEcXHa9Q Yw.idLVrnMkE4gSjZkYeo6mWm1r1iaHl9f606JQduxhIeqf9QTc9igzCXIA1 d5pCx70l4JYHYqvJ4fS7c64wOvBb1jUp44AwMsWcys3pcefClLHXgyiJJpj5 2X0gcu_6DA_CmCc2tr6Yoi04J7zn7bu5MvZAdw8HaCgbeoUSSsyivTzxi5NJ wXCfAAG5Ve.pHKZXQbOf5.wfpYzU58i6.pHfzg3jJWvMFXpMd2vPiY24zbLg HFQOhbQ-- smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 08:01:54 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Carl TR'" , References: <19102847.1181238.1371738558423.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:01:55 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5twp+o0ChkSDMjSO6Bjdg3cU2/1QAAgkCw Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good luck on your search, otherwise a Bonded Title would be the way to go. In Texas is will set you back an additional $250. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:29 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] FL DMV I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS is not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding address). Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no guarantee that he is still alive) Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 10:43:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62C34051C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D0640325 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:39:39 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1371746281; x=1372351081; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=U08TS7ee7f+q19moEoMCJwon5YeMEeHyItXYsxlEw08=; b=dQR B16Yrx6xTcWJapt6IN1aAaWruHClgcPynxLhhUTER//LI+04qMsEba5inrq9o4Af AVCcCOjrUdC8uWUBfmTK8V8vQicAQ+Gg8JYBARg/QuKS4UaBhpEMq/0EYuRGZyYK z3eLMKa61+nkjLZZN+0CaFsW9hM4rfP0PqLk71ZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=K3mSlN/VseRrx9UmL0EoCU3gPC12tibOyqwrLHaUK7KFBMDErPVRxOm4F5yw 84aD37oBjBGJgp97WrE1+J6ZjAlX5s7rI57EFEXsqaB/sgxozPOKcBt/L XAfY1O9+yfB1UiUCC/izYs8kk82cVvNt3SYFwL3bx3lQJO6GhgS+Gw=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 34-md50000135951.msg for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:38:01 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:43:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'cfmtr3a@verizon.net'" , "'Triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Carl: I long time ago in Quebec I got a completely undocumented motorcycle in bits. I rebuilt it and then hit a wall trying to get it licensed. After many struggles, the solution was to write a document describing the bike (model, year, VIN etc), stated the conditions of purchase. I then tood the document to a Commissioner of Oaths, who stamped it as a legally binding statement. The licensing bureau accepted that document with no difficulty and even smiled (a little). Many municipal city halls offer the service. It really is often the only way out of this sort of bind. I'm not sure if the office is called the same thing in the US, but I'm fairly certain that it exists in the same form. Best of luck! Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: June-20-13 10:29 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] FL DMV I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS is not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding address). Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no guarantee that he is still alive) Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 11:13:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D3C4053C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EDB01403E2 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:10:00 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1371748108; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=Kvot7XVSkx6qthA0IYVAHk2Oo+WVqmfxuFtcSUIq5sYEPGCtGllrLB7mIbeG29Lrx wLE5pNzDLYHVFjwS1P2Fl1cZjWczJUpKSMr6wnYwgwveb8EKBLgO1bWl3RTygq7Fi8 vYwf+rJ3GdyYifaqiUWVrii+cdisdIHlsqHR/epg= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail11.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.151]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ6GP2CALYNQQJ for (sender ); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail11.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:07:55 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:07:55 GMT Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Having been in the military (moving basket cases from state to state) and afflicted with the car bugfor over 30 years I agree with Mark's concept.The general clerk at various registration offices only knows the plain vanilla process, but eventuallyyou should be able to locate someone that has the answers for the nonstandard issues. In several states I have had to produce an affidavit to explain the various convoluted circumstances I wasattempting to reconcile. Matt Mark wrote: Many municipal city halls offer the service. It really is often the only way out of this sort of bind. I'm not sure if the office is called the same thing in the US, but I'm fairly certain that it exists in the same form. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: June-20-13 10:29 AM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] FL DMV I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 12:21:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AF740511 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B3E403B9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([50.59.71.170]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qiKx1l0033gRu8q01iKx1m; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:19:58 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <19102847.1181238.1371738558423.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net as a previous lister mentioned, in texas you can get a bonded title. PIA, btdt. what I found also is that many don't know the rules and/or are simply wrong. I had to go to a different dmv to get my bonded title. keep trying, keep researching, and you should be able to do it. don't bother with the old owner. he doesnbt care and won't help you! my son is in alabama; we considered registering a vehicle there. after some research, I found that all you have to do is show up with the car, show them a bill of sale, and they will "register" the car. which means give you a plate. alabama does not give titles to vehicles over 25 years old so it probably won't help you. -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:43 AM To: Carl TR Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Carl - I believe there are services that 'help' one title vehicles with limited documentation using a state that is not so fussy. I seem to recall that Alabama is the state of choice for some of these services. A Google may turn them up if no one here has direct experience. Geo On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Carl TR wrote: > I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of > Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS > is > not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding > address). Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities > nationwide - no guarantee that he is still alive) > > > Carl > 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 12:46:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682A2403FA for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:46:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0600403B9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:46:18 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=KvonDqueJGHIzwFqfYayOQ==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=DpSkZ5E_fw9CY-Jy7BIA:9 a=0w40uAmKkzdjqULI:21 a=kvEaKrOwNRn4lD-q:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LmhAVH6yN2ysTVhfUhIA:9 a=PT1HSMpVWbv_OOXJ:21 a=KSoYW3lX_qAINs_h:21 a=nq0oeP33wxwebS6d:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.239.224 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.239.224] ([64.121.239.224:54258] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id D9/51-05813-E9D43C15; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:44:47 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:44:46 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you provided more info about the previous owner and car, maybe someone on the list might know them. Allen On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The > Bill of Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in > 1987. The BOS is not notarized. The PO is no longer at that > address (no forwarding address). Any ideas? (Internet search came > up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no guarantee that he is still > alive) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 13:01:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50FA4044C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AB5403B9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qikS1l00B16AWCUA4ixsGw; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:57:52 +0000 Received: from RickPC ([24.22.169.14]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qixr1l0060Jyir48Sixr3l; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:57:52 +0000 From: "Rick" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:57:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5t6BALyr3BaBL1Qj2sUb/prfzZqg== s=q20121106; t=1371754672; bh=JxjXIwQLR2ZxrcM0k6hhiaY3j8dNARCfYf36yBT9s+8=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=tDfqk9d0D4l5xxuKumEMBzdqxDa9TUjB755fDM9PTvzfHJN81Oxd+TDGpzsyvfGfO wu6W2AJDrv/xHAYpy+cq6nRUtjivMkOr4jBgQwPjYYnL7gdSZlxNTyE4W/6CYqe+t4 4zoyudjryyJUSdHuVms4MceoGtb6I7JExyoT8cxI9R0DK48BQOja/FcIYH8NpAIk5N PpYZbAogP3QWqgHJoMMZ1du7Sm9UJL2D5BEnV7SRSuMWc8+vDL0FzPAxk5DUtK2+tG ZvzJQv8p7ZsOt+FVgXNQQ/ow29V9FAELFs0VCEx2jSx1U4PI0E9EbjpyqnB5SQpnLk 8ZKjHeJdPklAw== Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For those of us with a vehicle and absolutely no paperwork, the State of Washington issues a title "with ownership in doubt" that allows for normal inspection and license tags for the vehicle. In three years the title reverts to a normal title with no encumbrances. I took this path four years ago with my TR3A; last year, with no effort on my part, the unencumbered title appeared in my mailbox. Maybe the sunshine state is equally helpful to us vintage gearheads. I dealt with the state headquarters people; the local DOT folks were generally clueless. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image003.gif] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 14:12:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45933403E2 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82CD84032A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:12:20 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1371759047; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=Pj9ioaUsSBwd2coay1CkT1U5Mkx99dKZPr74jnnkaHrkCjRDSRmRfoJDEST/AdPSz Ejmp1CMpZen2AHFSYKu8OXAprLLWCqggnzV/r/fe31vLzzgTczxElT0W34Xo8ok6Bc n/sqF4iqFwB1e6EQCuISILT7EErzI6Cph5k7tzis= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail14.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.154]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ6G2PLAMT29J2 for (sender ); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail14.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:09:30 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:09:30 GMT Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net But a registration with your son in AL could easily be follow by a current bill of sale and subsequent registration most anywhere. MB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dave" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0500 my son is in alabama; we considered registering a vehicle there. after some research, I found that all you have to do is show up with the car, show them a bill of sale, and they will "register" the car. which means give you a plate. alabama does not give titles to vehicles over 25 years old so it probably won't help you. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 16:59:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E4A40424 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4F9403F1 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:59:22 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=-vyEACo876AA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=L9S9dIOmqoAA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=rd0mGRSkTclVKb_Kxr8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=n41wGnQG9mFsiVo8-CgA:9 a=3A8Dv_dJDJhMref2:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50076] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id D3/F4-01476-EE883C15; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:57:50 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:01:57 -0400 Subject: [TR] Looking for a TR4A turn signal switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, Does anyone know where I might pick up a good working TR4A turn signal switch. I have looked everywhere and can't find mine.. Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 01:02:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4F540548 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789140405 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:02:22 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=E-OG_LRS8b4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=bdixduhs5pIA:10 a=N384Tc2aAAAA:20 a=tcQP1b5RgzboVGdWPEkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 08/62-06197-02AF3C15; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 07:00:48 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Triumph Discussion'" Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 00:00:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5sXD01p3YRpZFqSyufgQyA5kpNZAB75NLQ Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The head was rebuilt about 1,000 miles ago with hardened > valve seats, new valves etc. Likely it is fine, but I wouldn't assume anything. This head had less than 20,000 on new valves & hardened exhaust seats: http://tinyurl.com/m6ouoqs > There were cracks in the head > that were fixed at the same time. Danger danger, Will Robinson! Or maybe a better phrase is "Trust, but verify". Be sure to check liner protrusion on both sides, even if you don't change the liners. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 08:27:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5EF40C01 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10BB40436 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TVroompc (host-74-211-0-30.beyondbb.com [74.211.0.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2t4w-1TylN82P5y-00sNUS; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:23:30 -0400 From: "Jeremiah Curry" To: "Randall" References: <08.62.06197.02AF3C15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:21:29 -0600 osgLmrvhgd/H+VnInWX4P3xgGnhvd9/o1BYRQCozUugKSHTKuK YL34ZujWeYxyqiX0vZ0hDHE3sHBGNTuMzHZKHeulBVaS0gp3Fs pQc74gpfq8aNUH95jR8/xVKGWobtLOKZiIxs8NRZy6Vs1xWLuJ 4pcgfswOAJ8FQq+H/eRY6KuYRqSeteMqzWubViuPPe1tbrEiE0 c4+HAFu2knPn07cHAChPV56IGF3pS7D7V9GImjyQCXXDnEDQkq Fldvf61H+bo8/REMD6x4FCLHmTihqwUS7mcUUtN4PBqhR3Righ d2+jBStATzXZmLKKQi+VkgJAn/Oa0hlJKvhvVJ6Z+ Cc: 'Triumph Discussion' Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone. I put some oil in the cylinder and tested again and the pressure went up to 100 psi, so it looks like it is probably rings. Should I replace all of them at the same time, even if the rest test fine? Is there still value in doing a leak-down? My local FLAPS doesn't have one of those to borrow. I think I will replace bearings too while I am at it since I detect a knock. Once I am over my head technically I might as well go all the way p There appear to be two sets of bearings, the con rod beargings and the main bearings, is one of these more likely to be the issue than the other? Randall, I changed the headgasket probably 150 miles ago and the head at least looked fine. The protrusion wasn't perfect, but good enough that the head gasket replacement seems to have worked without the "ring of fire" Jeremiah -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:00 AM Cc: 'Triumph Discussion' Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results > The head was rebuilt about 1,000 miles ago with hardened > valve seats, new valves etc. Likely it is fine, but I wouldn't assume anything. This head had less than 20,000 on new valves & hardened exhaust seats: http://tinyurl.com/m6ouoqs > There were cracks in the head > that were fixed at the same time. Danger danger, Will Robinson! Or maybe a better phrase is "Trust, but verify". Be sure to check liner protrusion on both sides, even if you don't change the liners. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah@curryclan.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 11:03:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAA940560 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13285403F0 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:02:27 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=E-OG_LRS8b4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=bdixduhs5pIA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CENOpZ7KMXtmvddPa3AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/77-06197-3B684C15; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:00:35 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Triumph Discussion'" Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:00:36 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5uiuqN4ckOjYOmT1OAIdzpvwZGSwAE8Xhw Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Should I replace all of them at the > same time, even if the rest test fine? Tough call. Most people will say to replace, but it kind of depends on your future plans. Will worn rings be the reason you tear it down next time? If so, new rings now may delay that day. But if you'll never drive it that far, then maybe it makes sense to keep the old rings. It also depends on what you find in #1. If the piston or liner (cylinder wall) is damaged, it may make more sense to replace the entire liner set. > the way ?? There appear to be two sets of bearings, the con > rod beargings and the main bearings, is one of these more > likely to be the issue than the other? Con rod bearings live a harder life; are more likely to be worn or damaged IMO. But IMO it would be foolish to not plan on replacing both anyway. Also check the crank journals carefully and have them reground if necessary. If one main bearing shows more wear than the others, have the crank & block checked for straightness. TR blocks aren't known for warping, but it does sometimes happen. If so, you may want to just look for another used motor, rather than trying to save the block you have. > Randall, I changed the headgasket probably 150 miles ago and > the head at least looked fine. Good. Hopefully it will still look that way. But repairs to cast iron are rarely as strong as the original (that wasn't strong enough). You've gone to a lot of expense and effort to get the engine apart; it makes sense (to me) to check as much as possible, especially the areas that have been a problem in the past. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 13:08:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF2740075 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [69.56.224.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22686403EC for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway01.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 6DC633D086560; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:04:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator52.hostgator.com (gator52.hostgator.com [184.173.194.222]) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608063D08652B for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:04:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator52.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uq6da-00039V-AR for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:04:46 -0500 Received: from 208.23.240.1 ([208.23.240.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:04:46 -0500 References: <19102847.1181238.1371738558423.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:04:46 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wish I could say I have an idea that would help. Well, I really do, it's just going to take a lot longer (years/generations/revolutions) than you're probably willing to use. For some reason we're all conditioned to put up with this kind of behavior/treatment. But I don't buy it. No, I don't for a minute believe that it protects me, saves me money, or makes my society any better. In fact, it does just the opposite for each of these. Sorry, this is just on my mind a lot lately. If you want a good idea of what I'm talking about, take a look at one of my favorites reads, in which the first two sentences are "States are criminal organizations. All states, not just the obviously totalitarian or repressive ones." This is from Gerard Casey's "Libertarian Anarchy". Check it out, I think you'll be surprised what you'll learn. > I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The Bill of > Sale is dated 1999; the car was last registered in NY in 1987. The BOS is > not notarized. The PO is no longer at that address (no forwarding address). > Any ideas? (Internet search came up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no > guarantee that he is still alive) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 21 21:23:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B92042576 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644C740324 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:23:21 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=E-OG_LRS8b4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=bdixduhs5pIA:10 a=fK2kxQqBuegNlmQMZOwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:54472] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 14/39-05415-74815C15; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 03:21:44 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: References: <03DEF61D3DB642E6A50FD9EECC048FB1@TVroompc> <94.77.06197.3B684C15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:21:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5uiuqN4ckOjYOmT1OAIdzpvwZGSwAE8XhwABUxvoA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] 57 TR3 compression test results Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > Should I replace all of them at the > > same time, even if the rest test fine? When you pull #1 you'll get a good idea of what the others will probably look like. > Tough call. Most people will say to replace, but it kind of depends on > your future plans. Randall's right, you need to assess what you're driving habits are. That should dictate the level of rebuild. My suggestion is to avoid Shipwrights disease. Fix the problem and call it a day. These TRactors engines are tough. It was my understanding that you are NOT pulling the engine, correct? The only options you really have then is to replace the connecting rod bearings. My suggestion is to not even touch the mains unless your oil pressure also sucks. And replacing the rear main bearing with the crank in place is a bitch. Since you'll be working "looking up" at the engine be careful to lube the journals generously. Be careful of all the dirt and grime inside the engine. Wear your crappiest clothes and eye protection. Wash your hands frequently. Don't wear gloves as they collect dirt. Good luck Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 13:10:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63634041B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FEA4038B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:10:15 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=mlL9HkLG11sA:10 a=AWZzSi8kCuhR8Jx7PGEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:38314] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AB/A6-14128-236F5C15; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:08:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:08:36 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I am trying to locate a product called: Keyston Vinyl Protectant #4222". My bottle I bought from Moss finally is empty. The Moss # was 220-180 but is no longer valid. Numerous web searches turned up nothing. The reason I am looking for this particular brand is it is silicone free. Does anyone know of an outlet where this can be acquired? If not, does any one know of a vinyl protectant that is silicone free and will not lead to pre-mature cracking etc? Thanks, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 13:23:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865DA40439 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A837A4038B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2013 19:21:30 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.44] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2013 19:21:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.vzn.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2013 19:21:30 -0000 9FussjjcNuwqY718WJwNLCS24A.xhrbOVKpYB0JcsBG.0W3ZdZIeIqKJ3qbi KCtHmSH4p5RYpFnF3dLrTr_JeclHL12RzAKmLTBwN4gaGUHwPdNVnImYbLFD 6agHN9XhFwwInBKuvCVrhqIcJoAB.JG94U_4yMXMkP.DHAZScxBAErFbbpLI PoY0jiS1GdjDK3SeFLVzUnZTOy2bCt_ZkK5..FNZz4j79WcIJ1mvtdzUcDlG LaWFaiqKz.ZXqnpdJx7K52wNYnhc8AX2D4_9rd_g0ba1yn7OXSGc17.jv1Qn TTKzrrvp8Yhh_e1o1bJK8ijrviYuFvdu8upvb9uoTUQS1mBdygH7mWkElcVO IZxezSlThtJ2gW4je4oknZCYijsti7IFZpRf0No45oH7Z9rfCt9IGrrW6ilE LQQGP3Mb.vANGPY7hJqS.Q9f.qduEueNKsZWtU48czua0as4uP3EuWXZLQWO wS8LNOPM- smtp101.vzn.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2013 12:21:30 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400 From: Hugh Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Bob Labuz References: <51C5F634.5070605@adelphia.net> Cc: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Have you tried 303 Aerospace Protectant ? i do not believe that it contains silicone either and it works well. Hugh Barber On 6/22/2013 3:08 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to locate a product called: Keyston Vinyl Protectant > #4222". My bottle I bought from Moss finally is empty. The Moss # was > 220-180 but is no longer valid. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 13:27:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3B440E1A for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9486C4038B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n11so7211543wgh.21 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:25:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wkgtEq8v/so/W1AcTivrxkQ/nJhnzrDEB0iODNtnOAM=; b=kCX/3O1UFlOomn8lT4g0yOyDY6gxgrgc2TAbCIfm3skyi+v45ECCTXVNyi68Xcr6eg 5UBbMQ94KYL1sLyewiUD6/r0MY9ScX8Aol/MsE269GkHBf4jpx8pISawebN6rIv7sHKD bN3XZ9x/4yu6aMaKGxh4j/oZUPboZWJJSCC6WCjFODYaZJaGbXmtcjSxMhgkwYn6VOV0 tWiGxrodMJMQGPztfitTRVdkg5lu08rU+ZYoUVYogmj/qERNV+o7Mn5iuwuz+K1hDWlw zc69ZQyKt8lVEw9UYNHv37GLxViHE9qrwKRz+SE83ylHf75S+8oMyTEdCfjdifUGVux6 yMtQ== cu8mr2121824wib.49.1371929154114; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:25:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <51C5F634.5070605@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:25:54 +0300 From: Don Hiscock To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The guys at 303 Aerospace Protectant claim their product has no silicones. http://303products.com/product-uses/protectant-on-vinyl I have no first-hand experince with the stuff, other than a moist towelette free sample from a car show last fall that hasn't been used. Others here will know more about "303" than I, for sure. On 6/22/13, Bob Labuz wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to locate a product called: Keyston Vinyl Protectant #4222". > My bottle I bought from Moss finally is empty. The Moss # was 220-180 > but is no longer valid. > > Numerous web searches turned up nothing. > > The reason I am looking for this particular brand is it is silicone free. > > Does anyone know of an outlet where this can be acquired? > > If not, does any one know of a vinyl protectant that is silicone free > and will not lead to pre-mature cracking etc? > > Thanks, > > Bob > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 13:29:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF78403F3 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CF04038B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so21951173iec.13 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:27:12 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :x-mimeole; bh=2ulF4A6v+qP0rT+GgaKRrSUfkdU1GfL1p6glSkAFq7w=; b=isgqp6MTR4QoeayIZjivyt+bzcc2MhSp+KNMiH+2hqlKnR3HQOiDVXSPZZ1MerEf2M XfTjQpNdQIjrKXpk3T1pPTajh5xt2KfCw4RuUqfNj5RM++WnANpfvtO+Z9JRSXqddEdU 2GWZ2bC3qRt8UevUDcyilE6vOHcBDXYqW9D7140XOkyaShz1rWr3Or9Ox3mTndtECwDF eK9s9hNVTYBH7zz0L3AvYon+68M463vQoCiw7IKOnLF6nZrd4V6gbZBpPB7UgTVbdfss cQfpJEThghfdH9mtGlzfv36FPc2sVR5sZAllytQlt37CM6AvMDaVPLb0gh1ikzL+PnGR nNtw== kf5mr2991907icc.60.1371929232722; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Chuck (107-211-102-56.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. [107.211.102.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qn10sm4879585igc.6.2013.06.22.12.27.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chuck" To: "'Bob Labuz'" , References: <51C5F634.5070605@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:27:16 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5ve+jv27jfi4h4Sca9Wzprx5ZhvwAAlDMg Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, A quick Google search turned up www.keystononline.com but their website says you have to have a verified account to see pricing information. Click their "contact" button and ask where you can get it. Chuck White Xenia, OH 1965 TR4A 1970 GT6+ -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Labuz Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:09 PM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Vinyl protectant Hi, I am trying to locate a product called: Keyston Vinyl Protectant #4222". My bottle I bought from Moss finally is empty. The Moss # was 220-180 but is no longer valid. Numerous web searches turned up nothing. The reason I am looking for this particular brand is it is silicone free. Does anyone know of an outlet where this can be acquired? If not, does any one know of a vinyl protectant that is silicone free and will not lead to pre-mature cracking etc? Thanks, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 13:32:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3A6403BB for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56BF4038B for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:32:16 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=4BO-VvhpE4AA:10 a=hCKQnDITAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9JnrrBu28DPjEsSOBBsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=tMqq9H-bsbrWqNK5:21 a=I1bhYX56WBm_wKHa:21 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:38416] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 76/13-05415-B5BF5C15; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:30:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:30:37 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Chuck References: <51C5F634.5070605@adelphia.net> <1B379FD5AF044912A6A1E7F9038BFF6B@Chuck> Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chuck, Yes I did find their website but the product is not listed. I located an email address deep in the website and have forwarded a query to them. If it turns out that the product is not available I will try the 303 product. Thanks, Bob On 06/22/2013 03:27 PM, Chuck wrote: > Bob, > > A quick Google search turned up > > www.keystononline.com > > but their website says you have to have a verified account to see pricing > information. Click their "contact" button and ask where you can get it. > > Chuck White > Xenia, OH > 1965 TR4A > 1970 GT6+ > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Labuz > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:09 PM > To: Triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Vinyl protectant > > Hi, > > I am trying to locate a product called: Keyston Vinyl Protectant #4222". > My bottle I bought from Moss finally is empty. The Moss # was 220-180 but is > no longer valid. > > Numerous web searches turned up nothing. > > The reason I am looking for this particular brand is it is silicone free. > > Does anyone know of an outlet where this can be acquired? > > If not, does any one know of a vinyl protectant that is silicone free and > will not lead to pre-mature cracking etc? > > Thanks, > > Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 18:39:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEFE42733 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E05C42728 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id rcdd1l00M53lu5001cdee5; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:37:38 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <51C5F634.5070605@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:36:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a vinyl truck bed cover for a couple years, and the installer recommended the 303 product. I used it as long as I had the truck, and it seemed to do a good job. I have a cloth top on my tr6 so I haven't used the product for years. I just went out into the garage to look for it, but I guess I used it up. I no longer have any so can't verify if it has silicone. -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:25 PM To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant The guys at 303 Aerospace Protectant claim their product has no silicones. http://303products.com/product-uses/protectant-on-vinyl I have no first-hand experince with the stuff, other than a moist towelette free sample from a car show last fall that hasn't been used. Others here will know more about "303" than I, for sure. On 6/22/13, Bob Labuz wrote: > Hi, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 22 22:58:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BCB42733 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BDB403DF for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:58:01 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=4BO-VvhpE4AA:10 a=eCgkis8x5usILNN4jgAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:51192] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9D/BA-15971-1FF76C15; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:56:18 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Bob Labuz'" , References: <51C5F634.5070605@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:56:12 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5vfAWLJukHC+VqTgubbliZYrgzDwAUWyYA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Vinyl protectant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bob, I pass by Keyston's facility about once or twice a week. Would you like me to stop by and get some for you? Johnnie San Diego > I am trying to locate a product called: Keyston Vinyl Protectant > #4222". > My bottle I bought from Moss finally is empty. The Moss # was 220-180 > but is no longer valid. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 20:45:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF6E40395 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4CC400FF for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id s2j51l00E53lu50012j58p; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:43:06 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:43:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TR b apparently sat for some years; was not running when I got it. now it runs, mostly. drive it for 10 to 20 minutes, it will sputter, lose power, and die. let it sit for 10 to 20 minutes or a day or two, it will start right up. except yesterday I put 4 gallons of premium, plus some fuel injector/carb cleaner, drove it for 20+ minutes no problem. tonight about 10 minutes and poof. wife shows up in about 10 or 15 min, starts to tow me home. stopped at a light I see if it will start, it does. I drive the couple of miles home and into the garage no problem. crap in the gas tank, right? time to R&R the tank and clean it out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 20:52:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01EE4043F for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1022400FF for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:52:22 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9Yr2oOFiIdkA:10 a=YAzcVcKOyv9vkUL8Z9UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 78/DE-15971-9F3B7C15; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 02:50:34 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave'" , Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:50:39 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5whKNqt9zIbDhBS/ilZGeaRF7eyAAAE0/Q Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > crap in the gas tank, right? time to R&R the tank and clean it out? I'd want better evidence than that, before going to all the trouble to R&R the tank; especially since you say it will "start right up" after the problem passes. Reproduce the problem, then pull off a fuel line near the carbs and crank for a bit to see if it's pumping fuel. If so, the problem is likely to be somewhere else. Like maybe a bad condenser. Also try looking down the tank filler neck. On a TR2 or 3, you can see the tank outlet that way; but even on the other TRs you should be able to get some idea if there is FOD in the bottom. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 21:12:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4628140427 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C74040075 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:12:04 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9Yr2oOFiIdkA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=rZLEnUpw7CDzf65MBtIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:52675] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/25-07405-398B7C15; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 03:10:11 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Randall" , References: <78.DE.15971.9F3B7C15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:10:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would put my money on crud in the tank, that's exactly how it behaves when you have that problem, seen it many times on my cars and others as well, first hand, and heard many many of the same stories second hand. But I agree with Randall, I would do a little more research before I pulled the tank. in addition to Randall's suggestion check your fuel filter if you have one, as well is crud in the float bowls of the carbs if you don't have a filter. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall" Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:50 PM To: "'Dave'" ; Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies >> crap in the gas tank, right? time to R&R the tank and clean it out? > > I'd want better evidence than that, before going to all the trouble to R&R > the tank; especially since you say it will "start right up" after the > problem passes. > > Reproduce the problem, then pull off a fuel line near the carbs and crank > for a bit to see if it's pumping fuel. If so, the problem is likely to be > somewhere else. Like maybe a bad condenser. > > Also try looking down the tank filler neck. On a TR2 or 3, you can see > the > tank outlet that way; but even on the other TRs you should be able to get > some idea if there is FOD in the bottom. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 23 21:32:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09E140440 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4726140078 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id s3Vx1l00353lu50013VxV4; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:29:58 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <78.DE.15971.9F3B7C15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <50B72E3B43184BA795FF22F0B6662A0A@livingroompc> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:28:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net good suggestions. have replaced the fuel filter once or twice. it sits on the fender up above the fuel pump. tonight it was full of fuel. I guess I have to tempt fate to further trouble shoot this . . . and I'll carry my handy tin cup to catch fuel. I was going to test that tonight but the exhaust pipe is down there below all that and I didn't have my tin cup. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 04:04:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ADC40432 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DFF34032C for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm17.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 10:02:09 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.133] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 10:02:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 10:02:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 40465 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2013 10:02:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372068129; bh=D2KM906iCEMqYH0IEl9sxsTSrK8q0dgrk09v+z5YiHc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=krLurxn+m1865zyifKtxghkMYBGGALiKG9XB8Og4CDhIuA1icQyOWE9bYQop1wdk7cSeRAxu+oBSHOVY5VwEOkqedCVRH69qK43KtEHwR9KVh7UADjiOop0LO6Co8nz2GFM4uClj8AmMgU4pKuc8myWsCBHRpWxaWmlPMpTzuUM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=adif0wWMIoYATG0QPwm+ANxS+dq4lS6u8FY8t3+mcUsgUjTh1CUr2AFXJazxqwzVbQKi6sCHJbIHBlw+74aXcSL979vJexonRDTZxJcBmuNoZI/tCeILIGtGoF7ZA3pkJA0EWCugO9GBqzxTBDPTBBEX/gUR1O9pym9GtCKCfZg=; T15XwLoPtq_0Hk1K6HmQvHM2DBp5zoGuFwrbsBLsDuYuvyWyzrhIyLb7rAyE xvGTdmRnZ_mlce88CHRihX3IvkO_0fxU1PXrmP_ObqvZRXtqBmtrnzwstnP_ bsPYP4QjH.jUjG.ZsDV6uzuNjEDeZyrjRTXGyCs4mBXejgIhw6yux0ywWA1f JZqXqOtuNlx_sNMvfl.BKwUkKGDeTMy1clGSeGuGlqPTxpxcDhIf4CQEjTyy 7SUag3sp5cfZlyXgvpFw2KO4h2GB6nOTopU._Whqn3_z2m5qlffj8f.v8rzp ns7DunvSzQb7SUQw6Z8gcsTlRSolVOLx9hWoSQbSwF8pxbt3VGg2SVFPAHyV If2U3uvqdpUZlDR26oGI3FBBgh9F3obMh3fqzJkvPBUBU0Njv85IpFPtjz36 cJwczKgU3BueKgxQFwGphAEyFNOxtU_nmlfmNpxNMWT0X.uA- Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:09 BST U3RpY2tpbmcgZmxvYXQgbmVlZGxlIHZhbHZlcyBpbiB0aGUgY2FyYiBmbG9hdCBjaGFtYmVywqBpdHNlbGYgaXMgYW5vdGhlciBsaWtlbHkgY2F1c2UuIElmIHRoZSBjYXIgaGFzIGJlZW4gc3Rvb2QgZm9yIHllYXJzLCBhbGwgc29ydHMgb2YgbXVjayBpbiB0aGUgdmFsdmVzIHdpbGwgY2F1c2UgYSBzdGlja2luZyB2YWx2ZSBhbmQgemVybyBmdWVsIGZsb3cuIFJlbW92ZSB0aGUgdmFsdmVzIGZyb20gdGhlIGZsb2F0IGNoYW1iZXIgbGlkLCBjbGVhbiB2YWx2ZSBhbmQgaG91c2luZyB3aXRoIGZpbmUgc2FuZC8BMAEBAQE- References: <78.DE.15971.9F3B7C15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <50B72E3B43184BA795FF22F0B6662A0A@livingroompc> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:02:09 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sticking float needle valves in the carb float chamber itself is another likely cause. If the car has been stood for years, all sorts of muck in the valves will cause a sticking valve and zero fuel flow. Remove the valves from the float chamber lid, clean valve and housing with fine sand/emery paper, blow through with air and re-assemble. BTDT many times. Cure to the general problem of intermittent running comes under several headings and you often have to go through all of them to be sure. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 05:27:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08F94051D for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A3940410 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:26:46 -0600 (MDT) a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=zB9c-D_oiokA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9Yr2oOFiIdkA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pjxOovbzh3DvELjaTPYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:52024] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/03-06197-88C28C15; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:24:57 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Dave" , References: <809757D5556D4DF1BA640621F4BF0B0A@Datsun> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:24:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net An overheated Coil can act up that way. Try switching it out with a known good coil. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:43 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] intermittantly dies TR b apparently sat for some years; was not running when I got it. now it runs, mostly. drive it for 10 to 20 minutes, it will sputter, lose power, and die. let it sit for 10 to 20 minutes or a day or two, it will start right up. except yesterday I put 4 gallons of premium, plus some fuel injector/carb cleaner, drove it for 20+ minutes no problem. tonight about 10 minutes and poof. wife shows up in about 10 or 15 min, starts to tow me home. stopped at a light I see if it will start, it does. I drive the couple of miles home and into the garage no problem. crap in the gas tank, right? time to R&R the tank and clean it out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 08:33:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A5140440 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53CD40410 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 14:30:44 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 14:30:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372084243; bh=FKpRCpf0ByKTekRuxw2lYEQsHA7ZjXM3j0EKTn6rX1A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=WRrm+ZZYa9ZFzDPC2QIAGiMDzNyQxHrESa131lmpbscsCIGdd93pEDDsGGuqw6cUVilcgybGD+rjP4M2zWk2mP0pfWOnn++VklpQjftvvEFBt53SKB/xJr4137eG7Ws8xZjYz4iL19XpyCiQP/MXLl1pcRmfADEsvvdScZZI83o= KdGvLEYPJlc14Jd__fvHc8VN.Jq2XH0S8X6PB3MzsFeQTP35K_ZPBEBj7mr. czRjKJO9o3z8suvscd9bkrSiA0ZuBfgsrKt97h3mVe9qGIeuWaxSZXEg9jBH ipDZB06W7Hnd_5NVuVMkQ2ECI4Y_zDtiV47GKIinjvzIwyOed3hrZ8UPdf8T xU9SY5sNvMYV2Y.5ctH7LToO2U4QqxG2fZ4J5fw5AqMFaaNU01f7_UiS4Faw F9hPk6QYTEFz_x.cIosbRnbUhrThHSPioQOpWNpAjjk3B8aLcIGD6mU09wxY dDM4RU3FKLXLkpq2NYUfemyzbU8JjKUUYCVZ_Z2R.pAmjWfnl3.DNF8nPEsQ FAo4iTnAV1aXzXBWwS07D0ntj8oaIxt8ruNdiS5FMyHJwK9SQGvL_MsM6VhZ GR76O3Kf0ZsVJQ7RX97vS.LFD3IUC.h0jQYAzSedbTE0TTGE2WYe1rp1NkwO j0IedQj2qsN9Zo2HdxA-- plain) by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 14:30:43 +0000 UTC From: Berger Bob Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:30:42 -0500 To: Listserv Triumph References: <809757D5556D4DF1BA640621F4BF0B0A@Datsun> <72D1219D29C344AD842461951AB1AD54@UserTHINK> Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When this happens reach back and pop the gas cap. If you hear a whoosh.. your carbon canister (if you have one ) is clogged and creating a vacuum in the fuel tank. Bob Berger 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 > -----Original Message----- From: Dave > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:43 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] intermittantly dies > > TR b apparently sat for some years; was not running when I got it. > > now it runs, mostly. > > drive it for 10 to 20 minutes, it will sputter, lose power, and die. > > let it sit for 10 to 20 minutes or a day or two, it will start right up. > > except yesterday I put 4 gallons of premium, plus some fuel injector/carb > cleaner, drove it for 20+ minutes no problem. tonight about 10 minutes and > poof. wife shows up in about 10 or 15 min, starts to tow me home. stopped at > a light I see if it will start, it does. I drive the couple of miles home and > into the garage no problem. > > crap in the gas tank, right? time to R&R the tank and clean it out? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 19:21:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D6940515 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001D840427 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:21:02 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=gM6TrxCc/7UHh8CN4I16W66DUiHOi9vsmizIwJVLgkLKYJcul+LMm63wVlxVWj8z; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.36] (helo=elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UrHuY-0000c5-OJ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:19:10 -0400 Received: from 206.214.51.62 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:19:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:19:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: Dave , triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] intermittantly dies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another thing I would check is the fuel lines. I had similar problems and it turned out that a rubber line by the fuel line was collapsing and stopping the fuel. Roger Elliott -----Original Message----- >From: Dave >Sent: Jun 23, 2013 9:43 PM >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Subject: [TR] intermittantly dies > >TR b apparently sat for some years; was not running when I got it. > >now it runs, mostly. > >drive it for 10 to 20 minutes, it will sputter, lose power, and die. > >let it sit for 10 to 20 minutes or a day or two, it will start right up. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 19:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E2C40445 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2825740427 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170019pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MOX00F0RDRCKVJ1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:35:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.45.178.231 ([108.45.178.231]) by vms170019 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:35:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:35:36 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Me and my clutch again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hope everyone on the list is well. 1972 Triumph TR6. Wrote the list 2 years ago when I replaced the clutch master and slave and was unable to get the car into gear without putting the rod from the slave in the top hole and not the middle hole per the manual. The clutch was described as on its last leg when I had the pre-inspection done 8 years ago. Many on the list said they ran that way, and I have been for 2 years. This spring, clutch master was leaking inside the car on my Wilton wool carpet. Had my car club over, replaced master and slave cylinder, mounted rod in the top hole, bled the system, and took a test drive. All good. Had a beer. Took two more drives, and then it was getting difficult to get the car into first or reverse. Have the car up on the ramps tonight, removed the rod from slave, checked how it was back together, and by the time I was done, I cannot get the car into any gear. Its a paperweight. I was told to take the cap off the master and push in the clutch. The fluid did NOT go down. What does this mean? Also was advise to re-bleed the system again, several people saying that after driving a bit it is necessary. The clutch pedal feels mushy, and the other thing I note is when the pedal is not depressed, under the car the rod is not returning all the way. I am open to suggestions, thanks. Craig Vienna, VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 20:34:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F984044B for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C249A40445 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:34:26 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=JjOrPAP_d8AA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9krljTiQ1eAA:10 a=yufwu-7Bh8Ai2nKc1dMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D6/65-14128-33109C15; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:32:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:32:27 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5xRFp6aWmmLOvDT0KyC8PetlN9HAAAeaHQ Subject: Re: [TR] Me and my clutch again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I was told to take the cap off the master and push in the > clutch. The fluid did NOT go down. What does this mean? That the MC appears to be working. If the level changes at all, it should rise very slightly as you first start to move the pedal. Then the valve between the reservoir and the working piston closes, and the level in the reservoir stays the same. > the other thing I note is when the > pedal is not depressed, under the car the rod is not > returning all the way. That's normal for a TR6. The slave "self adjusts" by keeping the pushrod out far enough to hold the bearing up against the clutch all the time. In fact, there should be a light spring inside the slave cylinder to keep it there. I've heard that some slaves come without the spring, so might be worth checking if it is there. How is the pivot between the clutch pedal and the MC pushrod? Any wear here translates directly to less motion at the slave and the later TR6 didn't have any travel to spare. Stags suffer the same ailment and I was able to (temporarily) repair mine by making an oversize pin from a metric bolt and reaming the holes to match. To do it "right", you'll have to remove the pedal and have the hole repaired by welding. Does the lever on the gearbox point straight down, or slightly towards the slave cylinder? If it points the other direction, you may have a broken taper pin. Certainly can't hurt to try bleeding again. Can you "pump up" the pedal and get the clutch to release? Two modifications might help: 1) Replace the old plastic line from MC to SC with a Teflon/SS line. The plastic "balloons" under pressure and so loses motion. Ted Schumacher sells the Teflon lines, I'm sure others do as well. 2) Replace the .70" bore MC with the .75" bore unit from a TR250 or early TR6. The pedal force will be higher, but you'll get more motion at the slave. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 21:18:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697C24052A for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC954044B for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:18:05 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=__xYWqyBxAQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Su0UW5F1ZPgA:10 a=MhQwIbXI96WMpwzrDJ8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 21/93-14128-D7B09C15; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 03:16:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:16:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5xTwAyjc7EU2liTw203EIjOfYCJwAAx+xg Subject: Re: [TR] Me and my clutch again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > What about taking the bolts off of the slave cylinder and > putting a washer or two behind the slave where it bolts into > the bracket? This would move it out towards the lever in the > right direction. I have a feeling you are not going to like > that idea. :) Ok, this might sound crazy ... But that might actually help a small amount, especially if you are using DOT 5 fluid. On the Stag, I could tell that it made a small difference, but not enough to solve the problem. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 24 21:22:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62154053D for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F4C4044B for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6776EA0793 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:22:46 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <7703256.220511.1372124136228.JavaMail.root@vms170019> Subject: Re: [TR] Me and my clutch again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you positive the thrust washers are not part of the problem? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 00:04:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BF74053E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FFE4051E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sVz31l00517UAYkA5W2Tu9; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:02:27 +0000 Received: from remote.Friele.us ([67.183.157.139]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sW2S1l00230kJ4r8ZW2SyJ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:02:26 +0000 Received: from DELL-T310.FRIELEHOME.local ([fe80::49b8:446b:a020:4633]) by DELL-T310.FRIELEHOME.local ([fe80::49b8:446b:a020:4633%11]) with mapi; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:02:10 -0700 From: Sean Friele To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:01:22 -0700 Thread-Topic: Wire Wheel Tuning Thread-Index: Ac5xaDCGU4LoL/TXSsuzEWb0pl141Q== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US s=q20121106; t=1372140147; bh=iH4DCSofBN99A3l1x/o3GLLGrJvPhpflJjCnV6XXQB8=; h=Received:Received:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID: Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=SblpSLnFfRfM74eKcosAVN3qIzcUqTVFTdQD2u/tI4U7QRdAx/Zc7Sg6AZazHD1ku H0Ghac6BikgSCvHtz5L8jpmZxWEKexnYgG6wxrtng+QQEUnvTwiZHq1eM/AFR+Fb4f FHPo1UTWCmM0LT/2A/14XuY+vjmJg6xnztF56H7ZTLBzwOCvXgS2XFqvA9/fvwgJQL ifu0UTuJBdUAgWRP/xSAqTRzOM7qj9ESEvF5y+Mnrzp9DBB0kXNMjy4hcDKHQfRmlx gR1oVbo6dd2MfstcBnysj7U9/1fwZv0kdtSmp8gnNCOcTgxOXR1XyI0Ig987dcNdou 9oih25CP7pbdA== Subject: [TR] Wire Wheel Tuning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I live in Seattle and I recently got my Triumph TR3A driving again. Now I need to get my wheels tuned. Does anyone know if there is someone who could do that in the Northwest? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 06:09:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41A440413 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from xsmtp09.mail2web.com (xsmtp09.mail2web.com [168.144.250.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C8A40413; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.5.41.25] (helo=M2W125.mail2web.com) by xsmtp09.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UrRz2-0003TY-Vg; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:04:44 -0400 From: "v6spitfireguy@cox.net" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:05:21 -0400 Cc: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Party Hotels Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that replied, We booked a room at the Holiday Inn, in Indiana PA, the Quality Inn across the street was already booked, and the Bed and Breakfast, just down the street from the Roadster Factory, was already booked (the room with private bath, the misses wasn't willing to share one, and I don't blame her:-}) or we would have stayed there! 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Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 07:26:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0172E40531 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp09-03-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B209403D7 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.245]) by p3plwbeout09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id sdN91l0015Hqleh01dN9VF; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:22:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 26674 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jun 2013 13:22:09 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.6.39 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:22:08 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 08:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EB24052D for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A295403E8 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 14:10:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 14:10:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 14:10:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372169454; bh=GnXAKoYlnHdWbQwEPegXvFwfvX0GRw6r6faEkHYeG3k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=2E1ioAJ+WWOT+UeAsKwhqh5wr7Nb0YqvyqTX9PTVom5TnHcgKE26p+kEpPhFEU0vi+f6TFgOznclCHHOQg8yR/Q0/d0WzUQKuNGbt3xLwsxxfHqugo2eClZWj1Ah5JDOnkQA9YCx8gY9GAfUW0aT8LnLLfcD3jdDH/qaEOvOuHQ= ih2i5Si4BhKHvTV7ghIiHPnCzcsm4f6SngE8nub80xxF_gpV5MdZK9jzLvm8 g9dm.I8dlbEkbMZLEin9wLaRC__7xuGHk7IokhjPisNOluU5iaxH58p1rcQ9 KiXEpapennQZaBjlgEEPUD0Vm5ngLaWOR5MQRIJgtMFWsxaL0kD5vKwEO_hj AdQIBn2Uw.Cav4dusvzL0RoRKAIFz5Y4KfThgryrHLcDLbi3RLCfbA2LLn6E oDcN.nPaEpob6hNxpszhgWxQDaG9FD5nLZ.4ZUY3Q3o8HQM4Z_oeSlryMGOr BsGvwlofomPFPa5I4c.gKVEKyhPInIsdnH_vC9TPQxcha4cdThkQRJ2WBREp Y0Vje8fiGdhQfG6N1bgK2Xu3Uqi4WbNpTrsxEJoiBRiItnNUoAxsrwqa4g0w 8mxMdTzIF_atO0cOEpkQz1j3YlB1b5OmafcQXA6jeEAkV.5O44nQt0TkiiPd lBoYr4rhhTeQzC7HC_ScOTB66vEBLDrURh9PXHBEQdgJYmziJvx7JaTOr.hc 7EfYShkjTbUfJOgpilt8ds.AN8NRtKeOCrynFsafVtrJApf2w1frmVF3xv7V P3NqBWDxc smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 07:10:54 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Sean Friele'" , References: <892376D9696C8F4BA94DCCB7B259AC4302090F1B2C@DELL-T310.FRIELEHOME.local> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:10:43 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5xaDCGU4LoL/TXSsuzEWb0pl141QARSUnQ Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheel Tuning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any competent Motorcycle shop can do this for you, try the Harley guys as they work with the larger wheels. Of course, this assumes the spoke ends are not rusted to the nipples and can be turned without breaking. BTDT Bill '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sean Friele Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:01 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wire Wheel Tuning I live in Seattle and I recently got my Triumph TR3A driving again. Now I need to get my wheels tuned. Does anyone know if there is someone who could do that in the Northwest? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 08:44:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344CF40446 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp09-04-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9A5403E8 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.243]) by p3plwbeout09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id sehi1l0015FFQy901ehilf; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:41:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 12177 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jun 2013 14:41:42 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.6.39 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:41:39 -0700 Subject: [TR] [FWD: TR3 fan] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 09:30:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679EF4053E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D08403D7; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5PFS2f7004395; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:28:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: net@newenglandtriumphs.org Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive Up a Hill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I got to play in Reading, PA last weekend at the Pagoda Hillclimb. The hosts, BMR-SCCA did a great job - LOTS OF FUN. Highly recommended. I posted a vid on U-toob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiyLeStVHV4 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 09:48:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612444052E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E402403D7 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 15:46:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372175202; bh=9NjMgwsGdLXq+SyQ7qhrIZpw4tiYRWs+mNjWS2+jc1I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=OC1g/JDtLTUzPuSPvrlJ9B2IuBEVs5it7VuNe5PRgiyyH8ahcNhqg/TsSaQ4G1N+s9747LX4Mb8Z2Z0zzSjq77npMZrdeKGsRUHWoY7DkRuP/45giw5aWwzdvfW6ZkoULQJAOtr8IPFZ06RbUXQo+VpDupFBlk1LPZC2eh9rwss= Eyrx.BlDS1LuESmHZECFLUmVSDgcnUiylswTGbuzXhNYYmvSiGUQWveIIY3S 7DvmZ9cfOnrdeI5JeU_vfrCjfTqzoKQbfLKMXgSPnvOftx7RPQUE7pQ_gnzM QjcSVT6JZB6hsBwDdwD1r6RlN37aa_vj4ma5f4duJj8BKbfowhksnXbDmF0V 3h4n6VMudsU3l_NCfcrV0lMd4r1vdfIeebJgr.QZawpn.IiKlYuKJ8MbduUg 8u.fxAwAXkiWU0kxHrs8zMJl.mlJ9ui35m1FBhaaG8QmU9YpqA_ljDVDF_cY a0jxCXU1LjkK18DN1ni5EaBBvBO2CSe.OypmmyaM4xYrV5xsihQyGp4ko5kk 99G4hfs_L9KaU9gbQrq5IcTRP9wW5JXJeFcHeOIDMD.4YZrnIsoGoxNBV8z_ 6VSNnxdUFJOXMgyI7GeBe9414eFapjfngfuDyizXGE8Msx4ymYufSsypUY95 h smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 08:46:42 -0700 PDT From: To: References: <20130625075002.cc417d1143af569a8ff505da34dda84d.1d0ee47cd4.wbe@email09.secureserver.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:46:22 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5xs0kcFWdIs+2PSImjlT1gjOJKhQABvsNw Subject: [TR] TR3 fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew is have technical problems, below is his post: List: In all the TR3s I have restored to date, I have ditched the fan and gone for a harmonic dampener and an electric fan. But now I am restoring a TR3A to original condition and am working on the old, beat-up mechanical fan. Is there a correct way to assemble the balancing mechanism for best results? Thanks in advance. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 09:49:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C9140557 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA17D40543 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:49:17 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=Xw-yj7yd_w0A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=8gXDFlHBa2gA:10 a=Y295EUcjAAAA:20 a=fIZVLt4GDDE1M4AUcmcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:50815] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 15/87-14128-98BB9C15; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:47:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:47:21 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "Robert M. Lang" References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive Up a Hill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Looks to me that you have done this before. Excellent driving! You have a bit more skill and courage than I ever had. Great sounding 6. How many HP? Bob On 06/25/2013 11:28 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I got to play in Reading, PA last weekend at the Pagoda Hillclimb. The > hosts, BMR-SCCA did a great job - LOTS OF FUN. Highly recommended. > > I posted a vid on U-toob: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiyLeStVHV4 > > Enjoy! > > rml ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 10:14:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B72403E8 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A2D403D7 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5PGATT0004533; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:10:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Bob Labuz References: <51C9BB89.2060509@adelphia.net> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Bob Goes for a Sunday Drive Up a Hill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Bob Labuz wrote: > Bob, Hi. > Looks to me that you have done this before. Excellent driving! You have a bit > more skill and courage than I ever had. That event is technically my first hillclimb. I've been autocrossing since "forever", about 20 years. > Great sounding 6. How many HP? Thanks - 151 ft/lb of torque. I have gears too, 4.33 Triumph diff and a close ratio gearset in the TR6 tranny. > Bob c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 25 16:19:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB024051F for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C52403D3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 22:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 76448 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2013 22:16:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372198597; bh=HWYVyBsMq3hljkCKxA5PfzR3R2jkOMUHI8Mm8rye/FU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b2o2KEGhnBoaSJC6GpqKs2A6sVR7HO/OG1VoiUmL2bLtAyrCzG0MMeBGy/pfpMr2q+KW3xTVtCYaWhYshTJgqmACkxmB2UPED5fRnWDe+eqQMKjHcuhRtaH0IM/iRBswqxE5vTS1ozlKMgnZfRq4CY26AFVRNoAoMU8vvMEJYtM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JnGo7C0xm9NNKBKJvy9YEF3lV+UWdWYCHQNSpT872yPJLV8oHb0evsPP1Uh8MINwp1D67dqCWgBPtRgNdmUeJVAkNTar413bhSipnYnv9RthQjVFsqW4qsfO1G+w0TLAmSSHLCfUV8wBZChQdIpq+ePNAkHAoTp1FPy7QZWYIZM=; FXVhB66DsLZB7hpELtVwHNmY0BYvRO4eqoogL2mzusOejsZ_x6ph3HchrseU CZQXjKYBAPWjfS3.q__2USVRzKMZRDC.qIJKyHYILiq8jdfrw39SfrigN1.2 4hROThn5k07.7G5iUWzEKnq0J86uOtCGQ8qaLvZeWjRtbWVBZdd_v4uH785b ocvlDHU_n.qjqBmsu9S2bEmyyxKyO4R5cG6tEjXNwmkfkK5Vr6HqL5m7IAn_ _Pal3fjdLVb9QyGZ563pyzNW_p9FAE8KyAtLwBw9dKsyUqwgRrd_SdgLPhHt .DmGww2A7jreo0diYaKfKXL_ftOO0lmgYYQi0k3dkr.dhm6O1yDyfvpf6I0K pU2zCpkHhukRY7slvQBdeWuoxGtVXRTayW7zKL3AMVygJhMulJC3S9cCM4mH vhlj0o9vQPlG2ne3PTI68FmlxcYgpa8ZVqic4tJMZKkKEhO4FsWP1r2WfKuV 8NnN.LhJuE1HWouc3iwTdDvNQm7KmYAOezJCGOstdzQzw7oXy Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:16:37 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgVGhlIGJlc3Qgd2F5IHRvIHR1bmUgd2lyZSB3aGVlbHMgaXMgdG8gb3JkZXIgeW91cnNlbGYgYSBuZXcgc2V0IG9mIERheXRvbnMuIE9yIFBhbmFzcG9ydHMuIFVzZWQgd2lyZSB3aGVlbHMgYXJlIG5vdCB3b3J0aCB0aGUgdHJvdWJsZS4KCsKgwqDCoMKgIC1CaWxsIGluIFRlaGFjaGFwaQoKCk1lc3NhZ2U6IDYKRGF0ZTogTW9uLCAyNCBKdW4gMjAxMyAyMzowMToyMiAtMDcwMApGcm9tOiBTZWFuIEZyaWVsZSA8U2VhbkZyaWVsZUBmcmllbGUudXM.ClRvOiAidHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS4BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs , "SeanFriele@friele.us" Subject: [TR] Wire Wheel Tuning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The best way to tune wire wheels is to order yourself a new set of Daytons. Or Panasports. Used wire wheels are not worth the trouble. -Bill in Tehachapi Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:01:22 -0700 From: Sean Friele To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Wire Wheel Tuning Message-ID: <892376D9696C8F4BA94DCCB7B259AC4302090F1B2C@DELL-T310.FRIELEHOME.local> I live in Seattle and I recently got my Triumph TR3A driving again. Now I need to get my wheels tuned. Does anyone know if there is someone who could do that in the Northwest? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 10:44:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FE94279E for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0E742762 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t2561l0041smiN4A64gy7x; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:40:58 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t4gx1l00l2yr1eL8g4gxwF; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:40:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:40:57 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: mntriumphsgroup@yahoogroups.com s=q20121106; t=1372264858; bh=V0kx8yUHyfETuUoX/vuZfe1EadzyKnhz9Jprfugvi/o=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZxvsvACXImYDGF5nJpWJt2qz/xUmXtpS9HivraLaCnWh36PrK0T9bAhqw9FTHJ6rp j4n77/QcaKbmVRiex1tSIkNyNVcrGTMkQ5CZGsdk/bBL2isVYgc2zvlVBhhIN4pHh/ a5sfqr1DUgCpGo2MTVnw3wRtXMtvO1mynWCCDl8L24kvKti79lZwgKiNam4PYjFUyA DRNL6X0ImB/Vg3/7rIKSk+VTutaL3l6eiAhtNv5hP1Y7LzkRYhhvdXrropZleFt3o6 1YPNIW2y5ICDVxH4/l+ysOLZU7FnKc/R8rcjDNk2vpDKOx89QsNLNUGqynU4ugNOZg ikGsDURYgDftA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR-6 for sale in Lismore Minnesota Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just an FYI in case you folks know of anyone interested, I have a TR-6 for sale in southwest MN http://www.cartrucktrader.com/lismore-mn/1973-triumph-tr6-524391160.htm Thanks Dean Knips ============= Reply to Dean Knips at (507)472-8594, not me. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 12:11:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE6F40539 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69F8403F8 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from computer1 ([unknown] [71.190.135.57]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MP000065IB6RO30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:06:43 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:07:28 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1964 TRIUMPH TR4 PLUS NUMEROUS PARTS FOR SALE - Bronx, New York Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Everyone, I have a 1964 Triumph TR4 PLUS NUMEROUS PARTS FOR SALE. $4500 The ad can be viewed on the New York Craigslist: Posting ID: 3865707022 Thank you. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 17:47:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1E140405 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B98403BA for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fe20so84084lab.20 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:44:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=k+dun4IZnegtyp/c7zv7CQ2Q8gwU83Ycp4el/9xLNBM=; b=O9K74dNzqsBiKdnuHowphRxoRI1YMrn02Hdjqah+wUiGsUC/hqEcQYh5TLgUyZzJUF n7YwUpNg0u6Pre2kyeg7fyspoJUosdbX0wEyqhZYeYlDv9nQmzhlPAbLyC6qhBQPLXKu eMPwr1Vo03esEttz2bji55Bz4MeGZ4drX/VerAL7/Z5jugwpNiTSjSb/R7rdPo1kTR4q cYrHTBPg6biL7v3l0eVNq96/XbxM3bbHzxxrKGXvE8QydkMcim/4/Kh86w9RfZEhhAO/ hVjZwlR4o2d/jx2na4fSTKu4qLPp3Z/lOPsrXFKkXzoqiZJzBjExLYq8MTUWPFE8JDSb 5d5w== k8mr3023548lae.25.1372290288102; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:44:28 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] speedi sleeve part number for spitfire diff pinion? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Helping out a buddy with a very leaky spit diff. I've done some searching and did not see mention of speedi seal for spitfire diff pinion seal area. I had to put a speedi sleeve on the TR2 and TR4, I figured the spitfire would likely need one - leaking like a sieve. But maybe not finding any reference is a good thing - easy to google tr4 pinon speedi seal and find data. So maybe spits dont suffer from teh same thing. I guess I'll pull it down this weekend and hope it's not grooved. Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 21:35:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0008240553 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FEA4003E for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:31:54 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=zPBW6Ilg1lUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=qJVUrKkff5cA:10 a=v1CQgTun14wEs2aTLD8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55034] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E7/6F-05415-EA1BBC15; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:29:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'list Triumph'" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:30:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5yxzq/4j16y3fwQDKevXxHcGknmwAHwxcA Subject: Re: [TR] speedi sleeve part number for spitfire diff pinion? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I've done some searching and did not see mention of speedi > seal for spitfire diff pinion seal area. They don't always have every application listed. I've found that you can also cheat a bit on sizes, they don't have one that is rated to fit the Stag harmonic balancer but I used Loctite "circular parts mount" to fill the gap and it seemed to work just fine. For sure check it out first; but I can't see any reason the Spitfire wouldn't be subject to the same disease. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 26 22:39:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378C640530 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF812403F6 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MP100C4ZBH4B730@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:36:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "Triumph Mail List" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:36:39 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5y7wLPgyorAl9xQq2DnV8E8B5/mg== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tomorrow I put the windshield and glass together. I've done it before so no issues there (well sort of - as I remember it can be a bear) However, I do have a question about mounting it on the car. Which is easier a) mounting the stanchions on the car and then doing the windshield or b) putting it all together before putting it on the car. This is a post-60k car so the stanchions fasten to the car by means of a screw rather than a dzus fastener. Also, the car came with the mounting pieces that go between the stanchion and body similar to the earlier models so the stanchions would have to slide onto the mount. As always - the wisdom of the list is appreciated. Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 12:19:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E3140447 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6817540334 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tPNX1l0011swQuc57WGwrw; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:16:56 +0000 Received: from sz0048.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tWGw1l0092xV5no3bWGwes; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:16:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:16:55 +0000 (UTC) From: tfansher@comcast.net To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net, Triumphs s=q20121106; t=1372357016; bh=EYYw4MCusidF7Y1B59QXVE9X+2HDk1GO8CZ0I4WUlY4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VCmt0N/CCbE5jtnr/PnNrR/6chbotxuN95/IlxHv66BnNMsdt4CpagZaTsJJETNTM W8vi4AkNo7mmUHsNF7dLvDK8fprq+5sYrGpEtcPS2RSSqCiGMgJ+yssn+VprDRW8Ru JE01Jygr6fmjNMT8fJvpPImM56PYWxx39mZdfgU/r1F5/IzmbGSU+NEWM28CbZEtmB cqNaIwPuwa/xqSajq3NTJ4zP4X5Y849ZwsnjsctXnVb+rCm3O5Nv3jKffIlrgn3c6p Woudm99ARQ1dkY75QbZ0DmyhJq+m4XtdjSGeJN6RUZ527f83Q1O9dqhDGGIXPArV47 1aE43O6JODZKg== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I mounted both mine with the stanchions on, so I don't know how hard it would be to do the other way.B I do think you should install the tenax studs before you install the windshield..that way if they are too long, you can grind them down and they can't crack the new windshield...just my 2 cents. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl TR" To: "Triumph Mail List" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:36:39 AM Subject: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Tomorrow I put the windshield and glass together. B I've done it before so no issues there (well sort of - as I remember it can be a bear) B However, I do have a question about mounting it on the car. B Which is easier a) mounting the stanchions on the car and then doing the windshield or b) putting it all together before putting it on the car. This is a post-60k car so the stanchions fasten to the car by means of a screw rather than a dzus fastener. B Also, the car came with the mounting pieces that go between the stanchion and body similar to the earlier models so the stanchions would have to slide onto the mount. B As always - the wisdom of the list is appreciated. B Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 12:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECE44044E for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EB840396 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2013 18:51:02 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2013 18:51:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2013 18:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 75525 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2013 18:51:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372359062; bh=kliCYn5abfw1tYZ4IiMKlz5+7iHeD3M9Dn2I7oa7ucQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m6+biJ0cJ8yRT6fYWCeU8G4mMnKam1L635veLLFNpGR6JWo9+/rsrngIfZf6XD4nUL7Xu7yn5HAfhq2khqfymKbo8syBTAt/TM03YeEpYCtoihhaUbSEvWIK8+sUX/3TWTgdKQ1AfqfQ+WgPXTYDSxcs6r0RNd3kMunKpPxIaO0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cV6o9DK8Bf7rtUk2rjAxrusH3MaG7Br6LWZYINeiFPVNLtq1FGfVVmMCKSnGocGoUQNZIRRep81cLGVPqyMOZbFsVlWx3eyoJZHF9YLNQPCJGG0vGhpC/eqomtyZHm19wOxvqaL1BAVmxJeu9/o5HK6JFxAE3kn22V1Aj2ICWIM=; Ppw6howKA4q9k0aiBc75xndENsEt4ZUwl0kPegiDQOb00vc_NCwnqi3q4S18 I7F_dJu0FQMD7v92CHIKceWv8AzARbYWaX8CohHlYe0N5dNYEziqGWlEcHbE nIbIt9qLplATZjAzF7xIqyO9i_FfMv5cFa9sZnx61HI9e05EFy95k3ncf.wB SEW0yyoWwXJkvoEhQ02.AdXI8LCvwrC3tDZuJo_yCBX7M4NrtkBJbn9x27si 1bm4KotYQAB6PrC_wqfZ5tnK778kKZZYfg9835mBE4jroxqWqPUgjdWiZVd0 fifOohxnwoBu59SE4vaPjMOInxpIOHOmsij0JoXEkf20sUQsZhbu6N_e6Oei WLc3U_n6r5ec5wr936qJdwBMfxIvrXV9FGwarXyGOWRULnLkGuEUhz5WUV8Z VwypaX0o9JnVvyURBdyS4NtXBlcEoRWts37t0b8BTlrkBFadjG9FWPMAk_Ww oUEDA0UK6BR25YHDVcbPuu1mskN.ij1vPDZLz4k0_77F8dcnKktAdykwZNe6 MK7ofwuD1ZSE_x58lsEw7y43xvl8d1y_iDFoOjqQ- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:51:02 PDT SSBoYXZlIGluc3RhbGxlZCBteSBvd24gVFM0MTM2NkwgYW5kIG15IGZyaWVuZHMgcG9zdCA2MDAwMCB3aW5kc2hpZWxkcyB3aXRoIHRoZSBzdGFuY2hpb25zIGFscmVhZHkgaW4gcGxhY2UuCml0IGRvZXMgbm90IGFsbG93IHlvdSB0byB1c2UgdGhlIGxpdHRsZSBwcmVzc2VkIG1ldGFsIGVhcnMgdGhhdCBob2xkIHRoZSBib3R0b20gd2VhdGhlci1zdHJpcCBpbiBwbGFjZS4gYnV0IHRoZXkgZGlkIG5vdCBhcHBlYXIgdG8gYmUgZG9pbmcgbXVjaCBhbnl3YXkuCkZyYW5rCgoKCkZyb206ICJDYXJsIFRSIiA8Y2YBMAEBAQE- References: <000601ce72ef$eabfed80$c03fc880$@verizon.net> <97443440.695421.1372357015982.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have installed my own TS41366L and my friends post 60000 windshields with the stanchions already in place. it does not allow you to use the little pressed metal ears that hold the bottom weather-strip in place. but they did not appear to be doing much anyway. Frank From: "Carl TR" To: "Triumph Mail List" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:36:39 AM Subject: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Tomorrow I put the windshield and glass together. B I've done it before so no issues there (well sort of - as I remember it can be a bear) B However, I do have a question about mounting it on the car. B Which is easier a) mounting the stanchions on the car and then doing the windshield or b) putting it all together before putting it on the car. This is a post-60k car so the stanchions fasten to the car by means of a screw rather than a dzus fastener. B Also, the car came with the mounting pieces that go between the stanchion and body similar to the earlier models so the stanchions would have to slide onto the mount. B As always - the wisdom of the list is appreciated. B Carl 1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 14:21:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7D540532 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:21:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD34E40382 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlPC ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MP2009H9IZ6YYP0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:16:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl-TR" To: "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <000601ce72ef$eabfed80$c03fc880$@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:16:22 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQHSJ/az/CMykfLxDHwVTjUjHINSpplCffiA Expiry-date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It looks like I do have a question about the glazing strip.. I have two versions 1) from TRF (CD31407) 1.5" w; .06" thick; 11' long solid rubber-like material much less pliable - will be much harder to install due to thickness and stiffness strip would completely surround the glass "junction" would be at bottom center 2) from Moss (680-455) 2.0" w; .05" think; 2 pieces 6' & 5' long rubberized woven material (sort of looks like web belt material but much thinner) easily formed - wraps over edge of glass easily; still needs to be worked into frame channel one piece for the larger upper frame other for across the bottom "junctions" would be at bottom corners (could be above the corner on the side if the bottom piece was pulled up the side a little) Is there a correct type? Any issues with the material difference? Is there an issue with where the junction is on the Moss type? They will be joined right where the corner brackets are holding the frame together. Thanks in advance. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:37 AM To: Triumph Mail List Subject: [TR] TR3A Windshield Installation Tomorrow I put the windshield and glass together. I've done it before so no issues there (well sort of - as I remember it can be a bear) However, I do have a question about mounting it on the car. Which is easier a) mounting the stanchions on the car and then doing the windshield or b) putting it all together before putting it on the car. This is a post-60k car so the stanchions fasten to the car by means of a screw rather than a dzus fastener. Also, the car came with the mounting pieces that go between the stanchion and body similar to the earlier models so the stanchions would have to slide onto the mount. As always - the wisdom of the list is appreciated. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 17:43:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B6E403F8 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A9D40359 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tbRn1l0041afHeLA8bj6ol; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:43:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tbj51l0024L5TyG8dbj5Ah; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:43:06 +0000 From: Bud R To: FoT Triumph , triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:43:04 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1372376586; bh=u6xoSXA5b2kM92BPV/eP3h8FS8kRiXA12MBX+oMKnnw=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=GJitMXyDyBWNzU92047Ahru3dWVVTa1L4+3uma6OPoKZm9Y/dfvICQc5+cnvpYk8S GNjjkE4uBu3DmkEr0loUAch3OSnP2K5yGjtV5JnbgZROVJrb5PnRWWv54wvVtNgTBa wfYXhYx6qasfLolY1FtOiwN46e+3iAqYeDPZ671FHPukpFd0yae9OoT9HKtY2FnSru riV+Lzi5Y8fMdnULUVu50w4o1IJDLioZffvM7ndreaT58D+Ey/N3ywDQKGJHG2mrNA o8cDOfXlaDI6BX3pMimn2hTzcrXCf6Im1XKdJhxnS6Wkr+YLQFvtSUmTb37koQcveL 7Ze+nxHC6MRvg== Subject: [TR] Spitfire 1296 Housing bores for rods and mains? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have housing bore rod and main specs for a small journal 1296 Spitfire? Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 20:48:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB80403F3 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24FC40359 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:48:06 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=yMbHDH791TEA:10 a=V_ubUe_1WArG-h3WajUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=OpZpDM7MHQ05zIo_GmQA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:3324] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A6/E9-14128-569FCC15; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:48:06 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:48:06 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5zqepzWgABsKcwQVKJ4CGyBOl9/Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR250 Owners - A Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you don't have a TR250 then skip this question .. As you already know when Coventry switched models they sometimes used whatever parts that they had on hand. I have a TR4A that was made in Dec of 1967, meaning it was towards the end of it's production and just before the TR5/250. Anyway, my question is pointed towards the convertible top frames and windshield frames that were used, and did they mix-n-match. Supposedly the TR250 switched to the turn-lever type securing mechanism and replaced the hook-latch mechanism used on most TR4A's. Yet I came across a top frame from a TR250 that uses the TR4A hook-latch. I'm not sure if this is an aberration or not. So here's my question .. which one do you have? And do you know if it's original? I have a feeling that both were used, which means that the windscreen frame would also be different. The reason I ask is that I'm in the middle of switching my TR4A to a TR250 setup, which I thought was the turn-lever type until I came across this aberration. Any words of wisdom is appreciated. Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 01:03:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76450403D4 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA7A40359 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id tj2q1l00J53lu5001j2ruj; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:02:51 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:02:46 -0500 Subject: [TR] parking brake mechanism Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net hi. I am planning this weekend to replace the ratchet thingee on my 3b. its broken, and I have the new one in hand. is it (hopefully) as easy as it looks? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 04:07:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF5E40424 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 04:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C44AB40325 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 04:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 10:07:10 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.115] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 10:07:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2013 10:07:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 63877 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2013 10:07:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372414029; bh=2NiZeUVAwqq9TxvgETDLx/PBKTB1r4qU13v23WPFi38=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S9yyZsQ3kr5XhVD0uusKGKFU488A08qMk2a4wFIwqrOmC4TNbfkPJRcz73f6zUkQu4oROFj7i+PLTs3SyNAtUQ7Hg02KSqvNptJWzNshgoA00XuXiZQqCvj0uWiM/ExvxaOqp2mhxw4D1jwjgqJoR2vqxDSPtLsMjvSD7JrHjfE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GkOvislgb1605z064kIdRElOoNd91xR32kRxUifP4Ihl7AAOSSUdWTMB18imnOruJn6KjeMyAbgqhYMX23tVA6T0I83d68Iki8mZthdHf1VFm/pFb+IRx5jq7cCSVWBCfMs/2GkF0oTgETtHLHn7QNFFYjZUatsuI/ceJiSLVqc=; .C98xOo10l7w0gC7MBA6IB8c1jvCVNHTLhUnTuwquCkciBNeFGpd0IEbfs7m La9U4UmD0dm5Y7SQLsxXhrpaQsMF80qSUysvtNnvJw3hCqvX0bFRWT9Rki4. uwpnUQMlJXHOW71ZgWbXJvTgrWIlVO05FeTaRUUmwXrXQLzW4kh.yEDcmMZR agX8qkv3wMJ8M6.quF0eBsGvTSjxBU5ikZT5Ll3GnE.wCu3p7v_GBXTFJbfb P8gKSAXvL5Ff9j4WovBC6LXc0APP3jUPaYRlrfS0MvO4Zhr0STuJba9ABtME ZmyqK0ivY2i.QRc8BWDovyVv5rfCu515_aWU8cV9KHqNpL1N.tUHGEnybRhD JQnj8Qq.b7mNNuO5uyIqv7OimLTicUFYbmkm6VT3JfqVdMEPesKGphB5CGjC Wan8.fEtczERRTJsab_bIJAK7On.1nNBBehDMv4l2EZyMPzBZF2alBinUiER elzMr0Txo3iL4JfZlNhCT7CZHtdZBnlRo Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171903.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:07:09 BST CgrCoEpvaG4gRG9ubmVsbHkgd3JvdGU6CkFzIHlvdSBhbHJlYWR5IGtub3cgd2hlbiBDb3ZlbnRyeSBzd2l0Y2hlZCBtb2RlbHMgdGhleSBzb21ldGltZXMgdXNlZAp3aGF0ZXZlciBwYXJ0cyB0aGF0IHRoZXkgaGFkwqAgb24gaGFuZC4gCgpJIHN0YW5kIHRvIGJlIGNvcnJlY3RlZCBidXQgSVNUUiB0aGUgd2luZHNjcmVlbiBmb3IgdGhlIFRSNC80YSBhbHNvIGZpdHRlZCBUUjUvMjUwIGFuZCBUUjYuIE15IG93bsKgVFI1IGhhZCB0aGUgc2FtZSB0b3AgcmFpbCBob29kIHJlbGVhc2UgbWVjaGFuaXNtIGFzIHQBMAEBAQE- References: <000101ce73a9$eb234eb0$c169ec10$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:07:09 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: John & Pat Donnelly , "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 Owners - A Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John Donnelly wrote: As you already know when Coventry switched models they sometimes used whatever parts that they had on hand. I stand to be corrected but ISTR the windscreen for the TR4/4a also fitted TR5/250 and TR6. My own TR5 had the same top rail hood release mechanism as the 250. I know from personal experience that a soft top from at 5/250 or a 6 will easily fit on a 4A hood frame without further modification because my own earlier 4A had them fitted when they were vandalised. So how come a 250 has over-centre latches? I'd be very surprised if this was a factory fitment and I think there's a much greater possibility it was fitted after production as a result of accidental damage prior to shipment or it got damaged during shipment - as many cars were. Wish I still had the pix of cars subjected to marine insurance repair. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 05:42:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8D4403FA for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7087403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5E1537009599D for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2BF5CE000085 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372419736; bh=SXDFEQXkvR5Xxh12B6YqRdbCGsjya4S7NsUxl0TNBQs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V7s1mBYLDorTEoMcqizZDfNKpo7tgrcS+b/HhvDELmDVWkwzLRM7iyDiAyq0TgANF VEDmZYlu1XPD7+LLgNgJCd6fWHBn63d04AaXbBJp+TPqRTTXRs6tyWDD2YxPxMDEfg 0YKOgBPtOkigEqJiOYnUmxwlPGpkLD8g71z9m7OM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951cd76986e84 Subject: Re: [TR] parking brake mechanism Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, it is. The tricky part is keeping everything in position during assembly since there are three or four things that need to be manipulated at the same time. Pretty self-evident. Dave In a message dated 6/28/2013 2:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time, dave@ranteer.com writes: > I am planning this weekend to replace the ratchet thingee on my 3b. its > broken, and I have the new one in hand. > > is it (hopefully) as easy as it looks? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 06:33:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF1540424 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA06403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tnoN1l00427AodY53oZ6E8; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:33:06 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id toZ61l00i2ymm843foZ6SG; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:33:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:33:06 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1372422786; bh=BJZdLrtkaWRlHAoD+J5/PGBFZABAy/uq5hiuEjs53Mw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KqSBLUIRKZdJ9E61G1te2PvVwsOHIsiYf86/fGdk2dWLpHgEVDnw/78ppWfE3bQLZ 2hXP28TvvCDMP77TjqlGxv2ggjhoGyM5w+ZzMscXk6FBTXW+lqHRJwl/tMnLXoYfPb HKlon9v2YgHg1MhAZ7bj8/GLsflKWDTfhjt3IYqtI0xOejxLLlHw9AW3n60M95Y/f1 6oc0sCwiWJpeqnBZR+3SiIeuwdOBZkE07tdbWQKamNoPMmaeIk2A3SG4934nIQAwsT yhMOaiDy5qawNE1dgBYzj4D5tG7YlvsqfVPY/OTPa5Jxb5X+W5Mkq6mb2JjfbixF29 OjfHtKdEMHD1Q== Subject: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net An interesting TR3, 300 from the end of small mouth production. Are there any others out there like this? Ebay auction 261235978508 Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 06:42:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4254E4043A for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AEB4003E for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:41:54 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=4AfSvA64Pi4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=aNGRYVPIIPsA:10 a=s1oB9QNN-d3mzHkzXO0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:49324] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 22/5A-16377-0948DC15; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:41:53 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , References: <000101ce73a9$eb234eb0$c169ec10$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:41:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 Owners - A Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mine, # 2004 has the turn lever type mechanism, another I owned earlier had the later mechanism as well, it was a later production date, but don't recall the exact number. Does the top frame on the TR250 with the earlier latches have the part of the frame that secures the sides of the top above the windows with velcro? that was the other difference in the top frames from the 4A to the 250 (that I am aware of). I suspect it is an earlier part fitted, when I and others commonly used these cars as daily drivers back in the day it was quite common to swap out parts from another car when something was needed. But it could have happened, who knows. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 06:42:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8C040431 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FBD4044E for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id w20so1007647lbh.10 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Cs05DSwrk6oCUEPyiQUqJe9zEEhca5sY+UzYRrdMZi8=; b=GOymfC7GsPeN2CJQoNtNgFKhc82X8DUwTAvOgQiyA3ioleYulrcnnWGKJKSoqHbZBb hZVPGxNhutbKOHdAnbmg9UAeh+ipTnSV4CQU8wgvg2OrGjSXEGlQMDjyTyMFU9Bw+aKS qEOJLypDVSv18e0zFT2ywYtZV7j6xoaFAe6qHzZO0+xui5B5R34JFfXuoy8OSfpVC7xI 4V8l4pI1dTU1v4ua2rAkxwWvhg/+ZzXNbBE8uiWkCr3hzcVbMRaPOQ6iWBWFV5PKWQ9a HxSPvWqIHwRJBg7inPlTUKfvkUbVu0kMYtqcvIHYfCatGEJIbWLeecrvY5bnqVDnws0F ZpPA== Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:41:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <380845701.865553.1372422786201.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: Chris Simo Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:41:50 -0400 To: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I like the turn buckle in the picture of the diff..... That does look like a fun project car. I'd bet money there are lots out there like this, Someone buys them and intends to restore and they sit..... I hauled my tr2 with me for 30 years while trying to find time to fix it.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 07:59:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A4140431 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829FD40402 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:58:50 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=d3XMc_6OGx4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=-I95-30UodEA:10 a=oS9ULlzgV_v2rwBGUZoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6Fk2uc-qDcXA72Q4:21 a=1zargTgT2_BXRepL:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/27-15971-8969DC15; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:58:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'triumph list'" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:58:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5z+7FdvP4mUuTsTE+LLKasCz21LgACiOHg Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > An interesting TR3, 300 from the end of small mouth > production. Where did you find the commission number? > Are there any others out there like this? Like it in what way? Sure there are still a few "barn finds" out there, tho the number is decreasing all the time. And for many years, only the "wide mouth" front apron was available as a service part, so there are a few earlier cars wearing it. TS13571L came to me with the later apron mounted (tho I have since converted back to the earlier apron). The separate turn signals at the rear, I believe are correct for this car. And the various other bodges are typical, though I've not seen that turnbuckle before. Any guesses as to it's purpose? Brake adjustment? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 10:32:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4C540408 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1588440066 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id w59so1409551wes.38 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=lQvZnD50B+SL19YlDyrCwW86TBp2Fuv6/JEyS9OsNTw=; b=tILQSxRvmwp8txdjzckzaoYshi1JY0O75MM+3RU1gAqGQ2/nY4UmVBZbMJbDjl8gLe 63AyUk1PPOAF7Oqji3zmEY78PTEm+2eLa4jobOoqjP9y1Vbzkkj2YaxFVHAUPTch0IeP bLzOMZ1FHbMML0an5WvrX5RTWo+jiIOGa5hf6pUxY3ifMynKTb7r0rIYCU/fjF09PHyg WgvPiaVUFr3pMqOSND5HAm9Vjmo46nssTVLahKPw+arUebtCptbWxnKQ3Is2nSbhrQvp BJGxIQhTutK/Pr2OHYrEpKBPNTxf1Hlr4OXyZYUpsqx9GQprdWHsrblq4TpmNobv2vkB dT4g== o10mr10133350wjz.93.1372437098999; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.105.202 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <380845701.865553.1372422786201.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1B.27.15971.8969DC15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:31:38 -0700 From: Malcolm Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The turnbuckle is to shorten the handbrake cable from the balancer to the left hand brake. A bit dodgy. I had a Bronco II that used had a specific gadget that looks like this: http://images.oreillyauto.com/parts/img/large/dor/03006-007.jpg -Malcolm On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Randall wrote: > > An interesting TR3, 300 from the end of small mouth > > production. > > Where did you find the commission number? > > > Are there any others out there like this? > > Like it in what way? Sure there are still a few "barn finds" out there, > tho > the number is decreasing all the time. And for many years, only the "wide > mouth" front apron was available as a service part, so there are a few > earlier cars wearing it. TS13571L came to me with the later apron mounted > (tho I have since converted back to the earlier apron). > > The separate turn signals at the rear, I believe are correct for this car. > And the various other bodges are typical, though I've not seen that > turnbuckle before. Any guesses as to it's purpose? Brake adjustment? > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/malcolm@ipatch.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 10:47:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43F540431 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E9B403F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ec20so2385940lab.13 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HRZ5KNMFATuy92l1W47IKwdk5p2VQLUfTW975eqwXo4=; b=P8MTH9RLGeruDIc/GuQncct3mOHH9lKw4LgMDBZNZ1GZsLz/mgxs3GrY5xgSdgDMUo +y/LS+jgj6sDLmcnVAOR3aCdb8gaEnkk8f4tAIRX6rBb9w20X564h3htDz68mR1zkUZk RyFOMhNLdhXVK0pOw179EvYxUEexNEE+PbleGZkFlSvpJjzwYTosYBde7Y1U2ZyD2gcx oBfp8bRto3LuFy+D0kMxbxC7evz5ljbOLYZajmY92DHxyTyZhqBCygivCGk2FOhHUhvR ssjAHaQ+v+J17PRlaPQ3nTaOjxuOyn9rri1ujm1vBIKar6lQwyX3IUQnhFhxGtDfa4v/ Ofww== ul7mr6908854lbb.92.1372437799134; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.115.137 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <380845701.865553.1372422786201.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1B.27.15971.8969DC15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:43:19 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Malcolm Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Malcolm wrote: > The turnbuckle is to shorten the handbrake cable from the balancer to the > left hand brake. A bit dodgy. I had a Bronco II that used had a specific > gadget that looks like this: > > http://images.oreillyauto.com/parts/img/large/dor/03006-007.jpg I've seen those & am pretty sure it is assembled backwards in that pic. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 11:20:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583274040B for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E044009B for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id toaw1l00227AodY51tASRc; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:10:26 +0000 Received: from [10.238.65.106] ([174.250.192.138]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ttAF1l00T2zdKha3ftAHzq; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:10:24 +0000 To: "Malcolm" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:10:24 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1372439426; bh=6FNVZPYpkT2Xid0ULFxIrBUWIS6z8KMqj/y1yfrPHHc=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RsqjdzWR82TRFK2J0S9hkmnE5GIMHDJMm4XRCwMez5vr96Z/eGsgzkfpR75uq8Jv2 vknvQ8vkDmeA8aDU82fhstw767rGYHTXyeMEUMngXrOBiroeFlBhu6ACgSNVjBnu9u VZ12rKg8uxCGREP6L4HqgeaFUxq36CqoSIIY1zT3PUjXYymkbdZjKU08wuxJx39aSe GpQUQdi6ID06DZXYH3XZ3ogWdnoAKmKASo9vmQOTQ5JWP9Ku0SoMzl4IJ6uMzMsfDh t13jaTzK5DFuvnttlR5797gHuQSUt2XT+kqGGTIvstNu3SNHng4P5f6FYJxR4sTRJF r+3B/ntN1aeUA== Cc: =?utf-8?B?dHJpdW1waCBsaXN0?= Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Is_this_for_real=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Used to be available from J.C. Whitney. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Malcolm" To: Cc: "triumph list" Subject: [TR] Is this for real? Date: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:31 am The turnbuckle is to shorten the handbrake cable from the balancer to the left hand brake. A bit dodgy. I had a Bronco II that used had a specific gadget that looks like this: http://images.oreillyauto.com/parts/img/large/dor/03006-007.jpg -Malcolm On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Randall wrote: > > An interesting TR3, 300 from the end of small mouth > > production. > > Where did you find the commission number? > > > Are there any others out there like this? > > Like it in what way? Sure there are still a few "barn finds" out there, > tho > the number is decreasing all the time. And for many years, only the "wide > mouth" front apron was available as a service part, so there are a few > earlier cars wearing it. TS13571L came to me with the later apron mounted > (tho I have since converted back to the earlier apron). > > The separate turn signals at the rear, I believe are correct for this car. > And the various other bodges are typical, though I've not seen that > turnbuckle before. Any guesses as to it's purpose? Brake adjustment? > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/malcolm@ipatch.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 11:53:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC6240451 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427D74042A for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=-I95-30UodEA:10 a=Ht0vj7KTn9wpfy7YV9wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:50959] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 3C/49-15971-66DCDC15; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:52:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:52:38 +0000 From: Randall To: Malcolm Sensitivity: Normal Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Malcolm wrote: > The turnbuckle is to shorten the handbrake cable from the balancer to the > left hand brake. Ah, I see it now. When I looked the first time, I thought one end was connected to the diff. Thanks. Actually a pretty neat "homebrew" version of the classic cable shortener that you showed, IMO. I had one of those on my first car (a 62 Chevy Biscayne) as well. The main disadvantage is that usually, the cable is too long because it has started to fail. That Biscayne was a total POS, and yet worth every penny of the $15 I paid for it. Had exactly two factory options, an AM radio (with tubes) and an oil filter! Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 14:51:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1069E403FC for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA22E40322 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MP400EA0F6JNUW0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:49:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "Malcolm" References: <380845701.865553.1372422786201.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1B.27.15971.8969DC15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:49:52 -0400 Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net albeit the one in the linked pic is assembled wrong :-) Hook should be in the valley to pull the cable in between the two rollers (thus shortening the cable ...they are actually a lot more robust than you'd think. ...work great on cattle gates using wire to keep gates from drooping Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm" Cc: "triumph list" Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? > The turnbuckle is to shorten the handbrake cable from the balancer to the > left hand brake. A bit dodgy. I had a Bronco II that used had a specific > gadget that looks like this: > > http://images.oreillyauto.com/parts/img/large/dor/03006-007.jpg > > -Malcolm > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Randall wrote: > >> > An interesting TR3, 300 from the end of small mouth >> > production. >> >> Where did you find the commission number? >> >> > Are there any others out there like this? >> >> Like it in what way? Sure there are still a few "barn finds" out there, >> tho >> the number is decreasing all the time. And for many years, only the >> "wide >> mouth" front apron was available as a service part, so there are a few >> earlier cars wearing it. TS13571L came to me with the later apron >> mounted >> (tho I have since converted back to the earlier apron). >> >> The separate turn signals at the rear, I believe are correct for this >> car. >> And the various other bodges are typical, though I've not seen that >> turnbuckle before. Any guesses as to it's purpose? Brake adjustment? >> >> -- Randall >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/malcolm@ipatch.ca > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 07:33:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CD440404 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015C6403D4 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id fr10so3050191lab.4 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:32:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4qLrJvjOMchZKqp9OUVGcrQBJEZ0CN2feG3v/xiHANQ=; b=Az6Yiorr5wjcWVF4Kyv8wCnLgSHN+kF4jTa3OhFkNGe34SQFLdH7caYm21bIr1OtMa cBlHuo/pRz8EOIRrV+LS0RPJGEQRia7BFi4KN7tZVz9xhbeyhzi6uJlYG76lPKa/FcUn RlOUxedXi/vVWDCO4wm7y4tHNdgW3Nq0EH/uC1iqY+Xa5axeFeizBGAaqH3fw27IPvDC 3UMhEqUjlv72t2xuzzbdgHxQXKsq5qTzOeBMT3IhlBh6oXztguQ2940hysAYiAF9O/sY Vv68nl+pIyiudluuY9JL5Bj2MIJxOSpho92ZXQBMBC6tXZ2tlgOXQrJj+9flDc+um59Y x15w== Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:32:28 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Did this TR2 belong to anyone on the list? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/3858208573.html Looks pretty! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 07:46:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B0B4041B for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579CF403DF for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x10so1527763lbi.33 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:45:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=1KQuiczDaHMFgTaCpCJ8Gk+Oy0piPR/EMiUUP5Ud7Ho=; b=ac8CpQddtqkGY/3rxvsuW1Rw/o6DsR4Okgn6+LBC9XLhZhKqIqHo9Pj894z4gGdc4p rxavnJKZc5XwXNXvND4yFMHfPf90Qmf7+Iz8GWaGfsDqaEs/B4R7HZY1CrNa+vQWBEg0 OQYv/yRZmWXyBMV8Ea4+lQlaRl3Po+sNjPsYl8zl1ONIzQb9kivpUhSOHXt332Rd34M0 513SU5IABsiA099zPojk9Vsg/x2+CSIYmAd/TVzIH5xB0FVHhmECzvdhdImlhLuU3D9v FaLd2SHkxND672RBw2cuBpo23D2ihWiVDUSuMYGfe01NiSd5gAWGoUvx5cN/DPaHSrs4 bE7A== t9mr8619048lag.28.1372513556002; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:45:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <380845701.865553.1372422786201.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:45:35 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Is this for real? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was looking at Billl Lynns TR2 survivor list - it looks like ~20% or so of the TR2 production survives today (plus any escapes). So if we apply a similar survivor rate to TR3 production of approx 11k units - we could see about 2675 cars out there in the wild today in basically any non-scrapped condition.. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 07:57:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601D1403FC for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC16403DF for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so2634138vea.15 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7SLhkTg1IrCxTqXKh4RLjA64OuMeMqINkKl1hunoers=; b=k94AYoWf50JKBr+lkR/gQz4cyJgwqreLJ9CPaz1x4WDLmpjU/W0ALxvZ+PVGcZoRuK TndKZgFNhT+HvkrmQbtryVi9pSaoJcj5CxD79fBfew1CFAbZqAJ8vSv6oCfddjtPiZwW oTsw4Ybmrm+9LHVFUDBNT8xmHvZi016jWhDmCRq3ERdcRJ5O1Cn4Ohhjj5N9E2o1aBh4 wT9jXDExnAAL9qp53WGucPPP5a/bTB9PGvgSR2vBZCu/NEwzm+/vGSem8ilu8vZwKzsz BTFymnyIAqNcq79wxVYWA3jsYiaK2gCXEyv8+ldiw3nR7HdtbRL91Ubi6kAAXZHVckdU OXTg== Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:50:17 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Did this TR2 belong to anyone on the list? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow -- and I don't usually say 'wow' about TRs for sale. That appears to me to be a fine example. Can't fault them for asking top dollar -- it may well be a top dollar car. Geo On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/3858208573.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 08:12:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5593B403FC for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32C6403E4 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8387B700000A5 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.187.194]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 29172E000085 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:07:06 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.141.15 by webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.97) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:07:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:07:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372514826; bh=GTfJCZkh3A/TsrqAuzFjMLFOLPsj9a0P1t6g6q7cN48=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k5B7wEqdrCABO72buxGENQjBVV2HNnwoJg1cRMIO9HECnZ5jRM4eOTr9++EkXR9sT nccIfThom56K8XtUvh1Oac2qKAOm3rM8XElX6fv2Xl3nAj5O/wgJutneJL02+K4BKh 1Fgiio3GDHv2pmu8MjIsrPXKCYxcR2v5fA8mXaKo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51ceea0a560b Subject: Re: [TR] Did this TR2 belong to anyone on the list? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It does look pretty...and very expensive. Worth it? I can't say. I'm a bit puzzled about it having been "upgraded to 12v" from the original 6V system? :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Sent: Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:33 am Subject: [TR] Did this TR2 belong to anyone on the list? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/3858208573.html Looks pretty! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 08:27:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B92040439 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9085E403E6 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hj3so1716175wib.10 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NG2WzQUXJXlxuAW5Ao4Z1J4seM4w+6MfOFftQ96jrHE=; b=VKNn3srbxrxk3vo1Stc0RJTAoUmEDtPml9TnAJ69zWfhLIWE97YAac771klzuXKrtB XDoMcuCD5izIV0SkZsc8RIxspGIKKT3YXoqjQMCykPg6UE6Ph2K1T0Vae9lttbR5gCFs vvkQjxez0ou8LHGkrrihyLc/QkHlJzKzrPKzzJIB5CuPFICRenlr8shVqXsYg6bByBFF kV1SoJVMPsHWT3W+mfPxlQ9cwGKJ4upBz4QX5uYOvMeC0Vue2bs532Yq7nuHpubNFJxW KOkP3sdi9ZyccStvRMSlOOYzoqoQtkgefE9TC2Ulgaq5ryXNp29/a9sW3K2k62td4wOL d9lw== fa20mr6622269wic.49.1372515705962; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D042E91231689A-1974-35AC4@webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:21:45 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Did this TR2 belong to anyone on the list? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think my TR3B originally had 6V in much of its wiring. (smile) But the new harness fixed all that. On 6/29/13, Andrew S. Mace wrote: > It does look pretty...and very expensive. Worth it? I can't say. > > I'm a bit puzzled about it having been "upgraded to 12v" from the original > 6V > system? :) > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Simo > To: list Triumph > Sent: Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:33 am > Subject: [TR] Did this TR2 belong to anyone on the list? > > > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/3858208573.html > > Looks pretty! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 10:30:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9B44041C for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f52.google.com (mail-yh0-f52.google.com [209.85.213.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF8F403EE for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f10so1709753yha.11 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=5+HvnXHMEs7lmk1wqTkxDLDZawNRZicRMdiTWrrakHU=; b=nLbYj0WOrDtYwx61FQsh3Y7fapWzZDmiTIxLyk7dJ1UplSfS3d+X84MqZCqLvFZX/w SNPxIwzClBUdrKj3yDg8rKzBCEaMGQlTx5ZAogv65DKnWYAarKN+S8i1cJ5anoJPXHha YSt3lfBPtLtluuedLiimgEim9eI9bsRCFFKitF+/BEdN4O5G4BVJZ+vbiszhZ61FEO6e nWNmxEur2FjQOSu2wCG9m3ps2H90wqOgEMELHwJRZebzcmstzVPlAKaEsgWGV0usoAnP jvUQPQPJW0F/5MAPjdmBEaFErJstEzEFZOCXvWteDq3/0bF3fG+U7XHSL2rMUAFMEcDY FeEw== l45mr9406445yhe.249.1372523041359; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b50sm19778533yhl.1.2013.06.29.09.23.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:24:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac505Pv6AKgv/UM6SYeQxrdsGWgAeQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] GT6 Manual Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a factory or Bentley workshop manual for GT6 available? Please email me direct. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 11:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C02940400 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939AE403EE for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130629165511.CCXE10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:55:11 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id uGvB1l00V3enFnk05GvBDB; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:55:11 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=vSVpEAhyMoAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ZLXI0-jSrpW4GC_uO54A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <011a01ce74e5$18bd3930$4a37ab90$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:55:09 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG3Z8srTfqG7N0nr1tHFp5/0VBzOpl7AoLA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] GT6 Manual Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - I have a factory manual and a Bentley (I think). Do you have a specific question or maybe need some copies of pages? Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:24 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] GT6 Manual Anyone have a factory or Bentley workshop manual for GT6 available? Please email me direct. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 29 14:40:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DCB40430 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912E04040C for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB62BA13FF for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:39:50 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumphs References: Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Healeys] Triumph Stag Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FYI. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Healeys] Triumph Stag Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:24:50 -0600 From: David Porter To: A local competition is closing up shop and has a Stag for sale. All original, says the top is new. No pictures.. call me if you are REALLY wanting it. It's priced really cheap.. ~$3000.00 US dave frogeye@porterscustom.com Porter Customs 2909 Arno NE Albuquerque, NM USA 87107 505-352-1378 1954 BN2 1959 AN5 Porter Custom Bicycles gallery: http://picasaweb.google.com/porterscustombicycles/PorterCustomBicyclesStuff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 08:56:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61384051E for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594FE40432 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W62 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:52:25 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:52:24 -0400 FILETIME=[6F30B2D0:01CE75A1] Subject: [TR] You Need a TR8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Time to part with the TR8, Too many cars, not enough time. 1980 with 86XXX miles. I took a bunch of pictures, top, bottom, under carpet. If you go to http://sdrv.ms/113Ehec you can see the pictures as well as a write up showing all the parts that have been replaced over the last 5 years or so also a listing of its faults. The only evidence of rust is some paint bubbles at the bottom front corners of the doors and I have included pictures of those areas. Looks like the car was rustproofed when new and it really did its job. Not a show car but runs good, paint fair, interior panels and carpet have been replaced. Miata seats. Top is 3 years old. Strong runner, has been close to FTD at the TRF Summer Party the last 3 years. Pictures were taken in the shop on the lift, if it ever stops raining here I pull it outside and add some more pictures. I think the lift pictures are what you want to see anyhow. Asking $6500. Original seats and a big stack of parts go with it if you want them. Thanks, Marty 440-225-0209 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 10:45:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F45340525 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEFA40450 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.199.106.146]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id uglb1l00739YZ9S01glckW; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:45:37 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:45:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac51sOHADQKsNco+TsiwtYfGd7UGaQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] test and question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hoping my post comes through - I was having computer issues last week. I am rebuilding a TR3 engine and have a problem in that the pistons are fine to re-use, but I need liners. The ring gap is fine at the bottom of the liners but way to much at the top (and there is no ring groove). Makes me wonder if a previous owner had to work the tops to get the pistons out. Anyway, (a) does anyone have a set of good liners, or (b) know where I can buy liners without having also to buy pistons and rings? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 11:48:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C20C40515 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4337740432 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA02A141D for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:47:57 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumph List References: Subject: Re: [TR] You Need a TR8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks nice, it is even one of my favorite TR8 colors. It would be a fun car to drive from Salt Lake to the Kastner Cup event. But unless I get a *REALLY* generous Team.Net donation it ain't gonna happen. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 12:12:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C4640525 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DCA40329 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA2AF70000093 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A0026E000085 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:09:47 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:09:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:09:47 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372615787; bh=iTj604xUYR1I1FVmqwj/3p03tmOENWr6S7dMh0A/ADA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nYDpxJjeIrbCoWY2E8nhJA0eXVZI20Kl0GUzVcQxogTSNnOGt7X83XfPB8SyLL1bO aOCAveQr59muTCxQx/oCpn65k7T2V2wze0LtC7I/IVyLxM1aVv/GMogWbeaDwK6kuG kYR8nJN15Tlvo5MEIqmgIxiDOS1ZxrhI7L6CUkUc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951d0746b6820 Subject: [TR] TR3 upholstery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a question regarding TR3 upholstery. I have the fuzzy round rope stuff that trims out the door openings. It is fuzzy and round and it has a fabric flange. I presume that that fabric flange gets glued to the inner metal surface underneath the trim (carpet in the footwells and the panel behind the door). Is this correct or is there something else I am missing? TIA Dave Massey ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 12:43:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5232540450 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B0B4043E for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm39.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2013 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.192] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2013 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2013 18:41:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372617684; bh=AHr7TG/miaj9q+mqjiEOMftS+l4Rd4URqQ27TA9BwNs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=c0hm3E5GY4xEpASmKJW8QK8L98eSnL7CxG0NK794z2oOJl56xd2ERF8/YJ2YXae888yhlMJBSjMYpk0kydcD/cpZ0VO4HkwygUf1kkn3JsecLbj5wCii99PnVc7I0+jJUSJcQueGLcBv4iVCgtcnnutzPlrtsv6b+/nr3i8FFsY= D9L5oJJXAKkSGxbcbuqTcjOwRZOW5JGBf3L31tVZ8EVpJsKwqKC_0dCk39te So0bvOHEk5mhBSUR1CPZM6KbyHJ5bFwDk0YP5s.YX3uiOvk2gIt6lO4iqe4G iHmUXP3dkuzEGDHWyxiFxIEJLz5EgUkuPSFVhMZOBub352Ie3Mnyg0Pw95z4 TMpO_jE7BmdnLI.U4zT.3n6wQj3xPOSPhAy0s.EYCNP5IFv5OgA2S5TC9CFJ 9ZVkf.ieyWjDGpthfKO.lZhFZjtI1lWZmTzLE7caHvEP8JeEKKjv1w3Y8QbP koDFW5fMcNLEcHpuZKm42QwN2032U6TdsL6yo9ESWEDfGbKtIHBviAQeLqu8 nr3_b7K_mV_9inAfNtd1FKOcYICDo5nrY3bzmIcFN0wYCGTj3Oi0ToU.PKQ. XcwlyknqR76f6GAai0gSIlfepSbLDQvI8GSqrFXVIkMcFQw1QxTSJYCzUboj kzb.Up2zx34tcGeYBaBiXmSHuhuVRpPmtZyuHEE9gOpBr1xALkgU3XNyJIIo WwSTvlZq.Pft7jI04PmYGpKXZJR8TjWQ6OAClv8yHrFRnCzh9KcHaCHPD5o3 vTw-- smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2013 11:41:24 -0700 PDT References: <8D043D423F74942-1034-3B561@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:41:14 -0500 To: Dave Massey Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 upholstery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Opinions will vary but I just put it at the front and rear of the door openings, none along the threshold on my '58. I can send a picture offline if you like. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Dave Massey wrote: > I have a question regarding TR3 upholstery. I have the fuzzy round rope stuff > that trims out the door openings. It is fuzzy and round and it has a fabric > flange. I presume that that fabric flange gets glued to the inner metal > surface underneath the trim (carpet in the footwells and the panel behind the > door). Is this correct or is there something else I am missing? > > TIA > > > > Dave Massey > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 12:47:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DAB4051D for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666D74043E for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:47:09 -0600 (MDT) cv=lbZngtFpA+T3WvIHIl4wnoqCVcx9ie5HeyIhFFUqCgg= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=eBX+wxaJKp5uaOL40NPQLQ==:17 a=TDdo3_L55KgAv7ZgOq8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=e9CJR5Erqsqe37CdFcsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO OwnerHP) ([68.144.199.245]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with SMTP; 30 Jun 2013 12:47:09 -0600 From: "Mike Coe" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:47:11 -0600 Subject: [TR] Marty's TR8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. Martybs TR8 is a great example even with needs Marty suggests are required. Act fast here folks. These cars are attracting a great amount of European and Japanese interest. As one Car Magazine quotes this month, grab while whilst you can. Values are very much on the rise as Guys are now seriously looking for these cars. Theybre comfortable, have a wider cockpit, great seats, awesome powerful engine (the Rover V8 open for even more potential power), and go like the clappers. In third gear one can climb a brick wall {well, not quite, but you get the idea!}. Mike Coe b coefront@shaw.ca b Calgary ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 20:53:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA65E4043B for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA06403D8 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from computer1 ([unknown] [71.190.135.57]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MP800LWULCKZC90@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:53:09 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:53:44 -0400 Subject: [TR] I'm selling my 1964 Triumph TR4 with LOADS of parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I've been getting your emails for a number of years and would like to know how I can post my Triumph TR4 with NUMEROUS parts for sale - $4500 Here is my ad on the New York Craigslist - would you be able to post it for me? Thanks, Anthony - 718-931-6381 Here is the ad: PICTURES ARE IN THE AD: Posting ID: 3865707022 1964 TRIUMPH TR4 for restoration - stored for many years in my garage. ALL PARTS ARE THERE - PLUS YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARTS FOR ANOTHER... Comes with three window hardtop and great softop. Interior in great condition. Comes with NUMEROUS parts which include (4) 60 spoke wire rims with tires (with hubs) - extra rear fenders which are in good shape - extra front fenders - new sills - extra complete engine -extra transmission - three grills which I believe one is from a Triumph TR250 - extra radiator - and LOTS of new or original parts that are in boxes that I have bought throughout the years. Plus BOOKS. I am truly sorry to let this project go. - Sorry will not part out - looking to have space in my garage back... EMAILS WITHOUT PHONE NUMBERS WILL BE DELETED DUE TO SPAMMERS. Thank you - I appreciate it. Bronx, NY location lav.rhonda@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 21:25:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBCF40510 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA69E400A5 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A3EA1419 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:25:11 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumphs References: <51D0AFEA.9020105@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Team.Net update Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1891509846== boundary="------------010904020305080803000008" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010904020305080803000008 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to working on bad links that still point the *wrong* place, I may work on improving the HTML -> plain text filters. If everyone abandoned the email list in favor of the forum it would not be an issue, but that ain't gonna happen. Hopefully I don't break anything in the process of "improving" the functionality of Team.Net. mjb. --------------010904020305080803000008 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to working on bad links that still point the wrong place,
I may work on improving the HTML -> plain text filters.  If everyone
abandoned the email list in favor of the forum it would not be an
issue, but that ain't gonna happen.

Hopefully I don't break anything in the process of "improving" the
functionality of Team.Net.

mjb.


--------------010904020305080803000008-- --===============1891509846== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1891509846==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 21:38:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C6C40510 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93C1400A5 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4D175700000A3 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.193]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2926DE000085 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:32:06 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:32:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 23:32:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372649526; bh=6ekAD4E8W7SUaaGe+g+VszYojIttZr1A+odaShGj2A4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q1ZqKZdGZila0NMI9XZj84SAe1VpvQv5UssBSkq7e0k951hVsH5b/e4lU+i6Mdv5t Rz+LnMBYpxqLG7HJaafT7vfpF5n5Oou9t8uGWkLqKNqo63uorbwScqRNpwCW+QOP/X P3+78lt1vFO1l3tbUcsi+DVC9+ooTghzUi7B8pdk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51d0f8364c1f Subject: [TR] Overdrive Diagnosis Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1286206909== boundary="--------MB_8D04422B1AA6362_12E0_E84B8_Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D04422B1AA6362_12E0_E84B8_Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The overdrive quit in my TR4A. Topped up the transmission oil; no joy. Investigating shows the solenoid is electrically energized but it needs a l= ittle push to actuate. Then the plunger remains engaged until electrically= disengaged. I suspect the pull-in coil is shot and only the holding coil = is working. I think I need a new solenoid. I removed it for bench testing= which was inconclusive because the solenoid isn't doing any work. I'd lik= e a second opinion before I order a new one. Thanks for your thoughts, George Haynes =20 ----------MB_8D04422B1AA6362_12E0_E84B8_Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The overdrive quit in my TR4A.  Topped up the transmi= ssion oil; no joy.

Investigating shows the so= lenoid is electrically energized but it needs a little push to actuate. &nb= sp;Then the plunger remains engaged until electrically disengaged.  I = suspect the pull-in coil is shot and only the holding coil is working. &nbs= p;I think I need a new solenoid.  I removed it for bench testing which= was inconclusive because the solenoid isn't doing any work.  I'd like= a second opinion before I order a new one.
Thanks for your thoughts,<= /font>
George Haynes
----------MB_8D04422B1AA6362_12E0_E84B8_Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com-- --===============1286206909== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1286206909==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 22:39:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076A540427 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55350403D8 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:36:19 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=hCeovsyKXDwA:10 a=9S4LJAi9-E7D6inAo9UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55059] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1A/AB-15971-24701D15; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 04:36:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'George Haynes'" , Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:36:22 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac52DG6+MsJzDOteQ1arxtHdYXHTPgABoawQ Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Investigating shows the solenoid is electrically energized > but it needs a little push to actuate. Then the plunger > remains engaged until electrically disengaged. I suspect the > pull-in coil is shot and only the holding coil is working. Probably just the contacts; but the cure is the same. Time for a new one. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive