From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 00:27:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973BD40448 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 00:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2385403E2 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 00:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uuH71l0010lTkoCA2uPYU6; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:23:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uuPW1l00P4L5TyG8QuPXa9; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:23:31 +0000 From: Bud R To: George Haynes Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 00:23:30 -0600 References: <8D04422B1A0DDDE-12E0-3E54C@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> s=q20121106; t=1372659812; bh=eVCuYX3QEz8dXCNxONfNOECYl9SrdMtglgVy/wsFpgo=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=rUZIEtzhLqLNE8G97cFVNWVlPkq5iGn7AaWsaL+mM6uI/rgvJrSGO4NUUq0DIeRYi 0jNsVqa1ZuYVuyBXDfGrUo3LuyaUoJO9ViWZcpvB4TLbnVY+uGfyMbyy5js5LybNaO 7MyMA8c1a9OgNdD99NkoOCwE1SWcuIJ3y8mdhXHtTJBUVGQwwyZI8UTEce7zOgxNrb EAhPafxDutNn7WRGkVvS7qCSsqrkRGJUTcXORMN5qmWkQIf2jSULhKD76byBrxo+L1 Jgns7scoE31eEWdbyvWwEwdaxxu8GAj6iG1bn4HV44ptPVUZG8Mx2LiHQLxehVoQfT mAxLNvd0xtY2A== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive Diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same symptoms with my overdrive and suspected the solenoid first also. When I ran a lead from the brown to the yellow/purple wire on the OD relay the solenoid clicked and pulled the actuator lever up just as it should. The relay (which amazingly enough conformed to my #1 rule of "Bud, it's the last thing you fixed that failed") was the problem. I put a new one in less than two years ago. I believe Steve Yost and Randall Young pointed out that the relay could be bad (not putting out enough amperes because of burn contacts) even though it put out the correct voltage which basically wouldn't provide enough ummffff to the solenoid to pull it up but does provide enough to hold it if got pulled up. A new OD relay fixed the problem. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jun 30, 2013, at 9:32 PM, George Haynes wrote: > The overdrive quit in my TR4A. Topped up the transmission oil; no > joy. > > Investigating shows the solenoid is electrically energized but it > needs a little push to actuate. Then the plunger remains engaged > until electrically disengaged. I suspect the pull-in coil is shot > and only the holding coil is working. I think I need a new > solenoid. I removed it for bench testing which was inconclusive > because the solenoid isn't doing any work. I'd like a second > opinion before I order a new one. > Thanks for your thoughts, > George Haynes > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 03:07:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91304040C for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 03:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614D3403F1 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 03:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DB896700721AB; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 05:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B66B7E000081; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 05:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 05:06:14 -0400 (EDT) To: wbeech@flash.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372669574; bh=ZczKi2hB+idFgvoB+bAG5XpuOqN15y4rF2F7/G8B2qM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rXG5K3NeZq7dIHStmNSptpDfQ7Kq9WKhFZUlSAOaLK7L8HFU8/aMUVA5Bra5Hz2y/ e9DI2z38ESMqRTiJsZmpX0lRKiY5Je9BJFOW4shoxhUrUm2zFOJmM0vHC34MhTSzOw Ab4nDcfndDjcGEKYrJdijsRZHpbw/xdYJWfsTaI8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751d146864a27 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 upholstery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. How did you attach it? Dave In a message dated 6/30/2013 1:41:25 PM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: > > Opinions will vary but I just put it at the front and rear of the door > openings, none along the threshold on my '58. > > I can send a picture offline if you like. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 07:13:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAA942977 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DD242958 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 13:12:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.131] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 13:12:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 13:12:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372684371; bh=N7OqM3lfyX5qJSCMslAGJYKCpIbr3Cagqj0rEex90QM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=hp9Fe55Pr3YGqKgwWYmAlN8uCiFMoXowHlIM2OlIhMUSxoe2QpSGwcMu4WdQH8wojaBoaYhDyKBIo7D905Y1rZl4UbZU+yI1LVdwymkOXWwhOTRIV8Xi46FFUGpS+2mImv1ORTdHXO5EtPhY3jepmEXj4L2AqSA3z3Tt6hMXWGQ= JnaQcJUjMu.1ttMRU3HTH014mkZTmlon_tWD5qg9M8sarp50fNpUwYYtFtnG CuqyRenSTYIXonSEsZVz2OFmoZKJkN7hnrIjEJ0YrJmLL0kAk94Jcfxew_EM 5h_lZa1AzEHLdOouQFUN0uPjRHRkUWpYVMZUlTbCRulIcOLCoX3xfJL1cCqu hJux72Tx3h5sy7bephFWwljM4RHpLnv90YB76krQHO3k6AwVOE7azTRKLxI. 41cgnzldfA1s.MRx0Er1q1mUBMv14jXeKnzPC7IE_uPjAXD4bjY1bUl7NB4N UL4nlc0RmSufA3tHxEEn.eCIsGEYS0ULhDXqcG3asNux5NmDjVXJKPOmh9fX HPI5hpfjAFwMemCUe_OpNxQSafhPnPSGTualcC4lTafNJmvx6.bqPG6GLcSp 3EPCXNPPWf0Ee8P781cSPBHYSbzT1f7bJnq1zq_i.Yl1wsuV8rpB55wLkoyv Bai82_FkX04HyqtX4oJbzlv6iqyjFPywR1IuxvNTTAsEy8HWUyIDBcw-- smtp218.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Jul 2013 06:12:51 -0700 PDT References: <901fe.1f60a318.3f02a086@cs.com> From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:12:49 -0500 To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 upholstery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Like you said, on the "A" pillar use some contact cement then the side panel covers the tab. On the "B" pillar you can tack it onto that strip that looks like wadded paper, then it also gets covered with the rear side panel. To finish it at the top, cut the rubber tube a little short and tuck the fabric inside. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2013, at 4:06 AM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > Thanks. How did you attach it? > > Dave > > In a message dated 6/30/2013 1:41:25 PM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: >> >> Opinions will vary but I just put it at the front and rear of the door openings, none along the threshold on my '58. >> >> I can send a picture offline if you like. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 07:26:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5479429BA for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3B4429A5 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:25:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp3.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({89e988b2-2a53-469e-91f0-3e9924092bec}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130701132535287 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:25:35 +0000 Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp3.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30968952D for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 06:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (99-8-105-181.lightspeed.rcklca.sbcglobal.net [99.8.105.181]) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E99199C119 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 06:25:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 06:25:32 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I should know this but, standing in front of my TR-4 does the running engine turn clockwise or counterclockwise? thanks Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 07:41:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A9A429BA for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871D642958 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so3728754veb.39 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RpdU0Y12Q6r7Rjjyg/I2yUkT5W7FVra06Y7Y7ut85vM=; b=S7dTPOSsUNBteWfdN/2PfMiVDNwoWNv30xnBdQ46VO2xuMO4huMg3emi125Z7u3WMP 2iG6WPbXj3aJi+Ek/fXhetyHQ08b3JEnEopVYPGhFnoHiJOeYkqHuPTE3dsSm+/IiJBZ KbM/CBHwfLfzaluIdqYdDemn5iV3ZUCa9C7DbJsAWybKWyuhA2LAcGtny5AmX+0nfxLG GGsKyplQYplyWOTY22LEWGMiAaCQ2ozBk1leYMACUULL8UK5ZZdEVq6xWTsxbfiXt8PW uJ3CGjiUejykWipeFqMrJ55CoQqm3HRU7Os/rsUJT5UfwKE+0o4tI2SE1o6Jl3o7yhem 4NaA== z15mr7930798vdu.91.1372685384302; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <0F3866C9-A875-4907-A770-B78D57D60658@surewest.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 06:29:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Greg Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Clockwise. If you've ever had a TR with a crank start this becomes easy to remember. Geo On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Greg wrote: > I should know this but, standing in front of my TR-4 does the running > engine > turn clockwise or counterclockwise? > > thanks > Greg > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 07:42:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F249429F2 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123E742942 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 13:35:35 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 13:35:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 13:35:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372685735; bh=kD0UXdmEb+mYYFkHfKAPN6AnFhSHfLvnKHllWlP2xDw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=lxxoHKGJefdKyrbS/u6PcMB48URo7j4BzwzmJq0FYv+rjhLSGVAdvxnKTtvAEdkM17WpqgXB3bi0ee8GUhBHfKaY2jIpygXSEp2sO3NaBXQLww3gql+n9AIxX8OYlqoEjbTPV+Y7RfUp4yd6xQ3qxqgZ+WqyvUCARxH4tAInxy0= neHer3O9GI3lA3kwjnw6EAb7M0VM4HNnpQ4lQdrsWhE8SBMRqgQitYDDRmrq D3HdMXnZg2ws.iRwjosfH0RtisJpcW2Kfuc8eYtI1w.BMkJ_mgpNRyA6E6e. HuEC5RVe6MjdGTGoGq_086ffODIARhui8904440QsdE268ZxyP0IsQx7b4_q Sb0c2AsqEPjK1hBsTvCp9uUsP9rEB5b32mYvrpA68UK6M2ECK1Cuy.FAykle MnHtXpq5esCkH35Gc4J_gnqDVpd9rqsM8PjOZI5QcfQX_XJ0vgy9C0l6cvmA XHVkT0GpM4kAO3v19oq7KcGr7VzTX48PHPVbszbGbdIR7_VPI5qAWwripr5F aazV4vpGeBMbWe.EuDJLcs.m556HYD9Fd0uRl2HXK.w4_lRgwaRHR.PlKm7f Or21MelhmWX2zHL1nd9BRBcyjtWJtbW17V0qqJDxFRGXbX7qipIXOm.g3PsB g8bdngkBgt77hm306UNeuKgLfVKUULEcXAfbxA8R.OuC9Wr9FgAzzYguV_Vg 9sVaoE6_vBjmSU4O_RXXhgvMd2xIZnrYMSuFj5fUp4xSakb4- smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Jul 2013 13:35:35 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Greg'" , References: <0F3866C9-A875-4907-A770-B78D57D60658@surewest.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:35:23 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac52XpKqylR1aaFnS+WRg4djXqsB1AAANu9w Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Clockwise is how I crank my TR3. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:26 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine rotation I should know this but, standing in front of my TR-4 does the running engine turn clockwise or counterclockwise? thanks Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 07:44:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7F9429FA for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0467642942 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v1Sd1l0010mlR8UA21d53l; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:37:05 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v1d41l00Q2xZMJ48X1d4hS; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:37:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:37:04 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Greg s=q20121106; t=1372685825; bh=xOE6UzUpuPh51irYKoMMItHFfpFPyIihaRXyFHnK4h4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=td1zbav+S9uf5NwHdBjSShgHXeUwxhY3ox8ip8cHh5hvj3crcJIowKPz4q/9z1eYT bE6Wob7GIiGNuMunGbyKrsU1uTOYvsNRVoZgPEUhIXSX9z3IHQrNbHudRojzILp9IQ rQZjS33fLJp1As5mZcApk5Qk87h21vKQFDE6cE0IeK62WbZ5kodEpnCzkzpjmryjmM cV6wYtHOvMyvdWNLsHyk5QjCKQfn90vqjiAdwcDG3zlcD0vzeLcky0xrD1WDBztQ5B 6RsENCmXU2InlpJzEZqbro2+l7EQtEnThc6mXWqazTuPSFMNEYk+qq8wVjqSJuUkdf tTUen9MNL6zqw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't remember. The best idea is to push the car forward in top gear and see what happens. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:25:32 AM > Subject: [TR] Engine rotation > I should know this but, standing in front of my TR-4 does the running > engine > turn clockwise or counterclockwise? > > thanks > Greg > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 07:59:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3EC429FB for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B3D42980 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:57:34 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=a3w79LU6P7UA:10 a=G-BgtyAAoCF-YvNkDwIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3C/AE-14128-DCA81D15; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:57:33 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 06:57:37 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac52Xo5+4eVpTWPjRw+JcCRfwLgRKgABDWMQ Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I should know this but, standing in front of my TR-4 does the > running engine turn clockwise or counterclockwise? It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 11:01:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00621427E3 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F824042C for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0F75B700615F5 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 89A95E000089 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372697635; bh=DfHSUBYLN2eKkZv0Par69d2dZka4yRrONW1Wrvp55wM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WYNxJIowfPKv9hVlbagVprhepQ9wl3/I4iVNDGFKPbRDX8wuifmYSEh6XvX6Sccn9 g9SflZTN50bP2JzFEQJiIGw1Yq+O6OmKNhRI3wOE+cISI8rU8zPsMgHthH5FTYx9IH rfbs7lw8+Jgz/75hDIHtYXij624ov5Q3q+deOwrA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751d1b4234a53 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 upholstery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, great. I'm not way off base (for a change). Thanks. BTW, I forgot about the tack strips at the B pillar. Mine are wood (57 TR3) but may not be original - not that much at all on this car is. Dave In a message dated 7/1/2013 8:12:51 AM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: > Like you said, on the "A" pillar use some contact cement then the side > panel covers the tab. On the "B" pillar you can tack it onto that strip that > looks like wadded paper, then it also gets covered with the rear side > panel. To finish it at the top, cut the rubber tube a little short and tuck > the fabric inside. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 19:46:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303F04279C for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C0440C02 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W104 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:44:16 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:44:15 -0400 References: FILETIME=[A971B780:01CE76C5] Subject: [TR] You Still Need a TR8 $6500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I added some outdoor shots to the group of pictures found at http://sdrv.ms/113Ehec the car is located in Northern Ohio. Thanks, Marty 440-225-0209 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 21:17:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222434277C for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7402A40653 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E96BA141D for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:10:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumph List References: Subject: Re: [TR] You Still Need a TR8 $6500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd love it, but I'm still $6,498.72 short. And a Team.Net fund drive right now would look suspicious ;-) Hopefully it goes to a good home. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 12:42:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E68342792 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.254]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB6240549 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.188] by nm37.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2013 18:34:54 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2013 18:34:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2013 18:34:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372790094; bh=wbB8zeUXfPqwkW4+ZlKTtZUlQ519K9pOG+tsVSSUCIQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=I60LqVIWQ3utAggjCFysR9H7vlg4pUupKao1+N+D+J1k8M/4a4xnhksQI0lNE/C1qkv+9tdOOJzeKl1ymUPAtBdxGcPpGV27gcgxqVUv/x7OLd+WnsIsWZIXy1UlxBfFzCccKMBcKKh1DBTURR3q4GVzb6E96BnCu0dYKR/ZrJo= k4UNdokpUGPMI7OWhFl92bGmCJixGHmuM5KHU8.F4QgdexVX.pG7zwB5ecQR 36jBuz0Bu8Ti3X9efYrmTMybkaKQbQDUqSZjkTEJPHGdE1PBdPkxb8HieeF0 j0Dncn3sPX5p4khpVCvoLoB2eS9gomtlwWXH9IbJ277BME7TWDT8IYJ2j2Ze vHMHCOYWTT8pDs_8qsAKm8UsG_goy1k1CxX8njWFzJrfzl_lKpd7VXUHjrzp 8musPWSCtV9HHCszKW_d3XEg4J8O2Uj15ws7OVpQWGnVhj2lAOoQ9C6GjBhL S7rwtP7cQ8Lg8bPyfMSWg1L5JFbI0IAFumMR3ojQvSPLJ2geIZ4xcZTdlTX3 cXQz0VSki1Xwa1ezR9Sar5i4pnfGQJFq.ORWLNcmVK35waPgWHMRkYaxyqsi 1p16wGigntyc_lRrW1DFBRgi3vzRkpqd17eCnuBbufEe0yCuQNIUZ8KRcOtg sNeJyKzNiwLEcyKPvMiDTV.Qcm2LxTJGlHitKYU1k2mCh1K1BFuYn6hljS.f 3 smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2013 18:34:54 +0000 UTC From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:34:41 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For those that have raced Virginia International Raceway (VIR), word came today that the great oak at the south turn has fallen. :-( Bill Raced motorcycles in the 60s. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 12:57:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D109E42797 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774DA40560 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id k10so4487206wiv.13 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/oC8gl8k520LQaq2cqGFxsjf3j8JsJShXORRnZWv4OY=; b=ozOMmX1KMh9Yl7ESaplANRtWy5wT3pqSVDh3hnIQwNYYYfbkKAaae8k0HxIGQfzPe4 nomhz+PjG9RhNLHHxRY5FE00q00UUXN8LHejHl9+TRbJIGVsM27ZU87LQ91IxNSJeNid XDEAuhjyfE3OG7/iNZ3z82ri9pDEkuNTEnmVTle1GB2HcconDHzFMzjr1unomPzB+ppi MvQ2gphNWuWIlgA6LHSMoF3X+cc3ApQ99/7Hz7UuONr9dBbvMDpcP6T0ms59Y8wvGn0w czgx94556xAyu2Las89UXFdjq4BbKvkfxyxVzM1jUQcQp2T9khhjHTnk+1Ws2cEKMzN2 wC3w== w4mr24241269wjz.34.1372791066147; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.181.198 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:51:06 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: WBEECH Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:34 PM, WBEECH wrote: > For those that have raced Virginia International Raceway (VIR), word came > today that the great oak at the south turn has fallen. :-( > Sad but true: http://virnow.com/2013/07/02/oak-tree-down-2/ I've been to that corner several times over the year. It won't be the same. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 15:02:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9EA429E2 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930834051F for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8A06D700000A5 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 30708E000088 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:55:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:55:23 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372798523; bh=+5CElFV50nPdP5R2gZCOIbb5o/EAVOTdzMIwdWVQ5EA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M/R0BO+MRB4HGQKWEZOWggg8KSLI3BGHneX4mt8GOkycRfmAgMQ6dF8vnIMVfUsAb fWmCvgQqKZsoHFO/pMrwnGq7DcGHySfUfjllMtUDD3M25fWAhNCkPOt4q+0a5OhAMF Ot7GtYDLa3eyG6wjqRfVE5KQcLf4TEzQa8rG8IZs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51d33e3b63ad Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net But the pit crew can get it back on course, right? In a message dated 7/2/2013 1:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: > For those that have raced Virginia International Raceway (VIR), word came > today that the great oak at the south turn has fallen. :-( ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 16:20:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6347442923 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8A54053A for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2013 22:04:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.165] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2013 22:04:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2013 22:04:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 99041 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2013 22:04:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372802644; bh=FcJYifG4Jd7r8CLFYWleLltZGYULxGjrahRvH+QeH+Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a6JUjj4lNiS9BdIqZdnNY6xW92VIkSqqGqyoXMHD5wMpguhxXkMxcLS0ZQfgk63fqBc75SA6sGkCAJh2osTjLk8VBa92e5xSRMh8kpa0clzw80FXf8jOnT+WgpGBQemY+W0iONmMJ4Jcv/1/F67nWqe1MQVF50dFXpWqBILneTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sdVLoLSaUqdf57NDnKjChxG0RzXfrt+vgrTbBANYVD9Rw/Q/LkD16La/fiwn+mu+dWvFF2jlaLwuLC/UcDy0iMJOPxd4SDdpi3yOabHUhSTh8IIlOQU8V0fxp2nJB6Rqjx7sCrVZs1qRLD1uZdoUIWw4uWNB7GAqna2eMJh3dVE= ; 9b0c7ICa9ehnjwuOwIMf_Jc2NWLFew5jRDsK33AMyWlRpsMYdH27FLvT5O0l XvCQxB4orPrnKinvC_Vzqzuew5zcEBeYYKbUiUMFu3PY1JzmSRS5xoo5M90T rd97FpFniFyuZGPu7DDZkcA8bCSwc7CeHQVjUKwXR2rVE8CTAQ6dXe7T6LK8 8sQY.fQPKbK2h6YnGMB1fMACMmNY6k81CnOCqPlXZVQzEVKvNWHKpu01fdT7 b5OeM_2Hfd0u3wFZYAV5FK9iWrssgWy4cUe6LxWQ82CBz1BGVVOp3lSjGZMW I_UOefvMTY_O9WOrYecmK7RHCJ9RGef8H614p_MO2iVR_E4jvtj2C9dWQZnz dcBYQhqRmvOApgh6E4.6b5K8uCkKWyPvh8KIiaJVq9odrk8QqLf8SllQhjK2 xKTG0lBQXhgWfGgVyqlObXVFlaPHR1BzrNaKjmwJpte3uNCnUWfTnSkgNvBZ OV4jEDAgr3rC9hlI6whi2yVvDObqUQozA71paX2G_MMYzmpumorERrDf4x6E wQaIafP9BVTDeRRRD8vi_PAp7IrWUZQL.yKpI6ExXyaJ96Lo22bBzSQanF6a iuKYQa4LqF67KukHkAfMpA.MuvNUD Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 15:04:04 PDT ZHVjdCB0YXBlLi4uLm1heWJlIDIgcm9sbHMKwqAKRnJhbmsKIAoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206ICJEYXZlMW1hc3NleUBjcy5jb20iIDxEYXZlMW1hc3NleUBjcy5jb20.ClRvOiB0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogVHVlc2RheSwgSnVseSAyLCAyMDEzIDE6NTUgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtUUl0gVklSIE9hayBUcmVlCiAgCgpCdXQgdGhlIHBpdCBjcmV3IGNhbiBnZXQgaXQgYmFjayBvbiBjb3Vyc2UsIHJpZ2h0PwoKSW4gYSBtZXNzYWdlIGRhdGUBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net duct tape....maybe 2 rolls Frank ________________________________ From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree But the pit crew can get it back on course, right? In a message dated 7/2/2013 1:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, wbeech@flash.net writes: > For those that have raced Virginia International Raceway (VIR), word came > today that the great oak at the south turn has fallen. :-( ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 19:08:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D9140533 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFDD4051D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id OIJ08323; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 20:06:23 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'Randall'" , References: <0F3866C9-A875-4907-A770-B78D57D60658@surewest.net> <3C.AE.14128.DCA81D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:06:24 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac52Xo5+4eVpTWPjRw+JcCRfwLgRKgABDWMQAEmoz2A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? Mike > > It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 19:38:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B66842A18 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187F3400A4 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id vdYR1l00J53lu5001dYSkW; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:32:26 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <0F3866C9-A875-4907-A770-B78D57D60658@surewest.net><3C.AE.14128.DCA81D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <00f101ce7789$89ed7ab0$9dc87010$@com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:30:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net probably in the southern hemisphere . . . . -----Original Message----- From: Michael Marr Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:06 PM To: 'Randall' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? Mike > > It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 19:39:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E4542A67 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08347400A4 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p14so5136051vbm.4 for ; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:33:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GeK/fKyMyqOPKPl7qSkdy5G5VQhNYoMggQ4kLtv26q8=; b=I7pdM18eSgFpiBQHKKR/r63aXChGVg4HV0f+GG94eTljuxuzIZ/iKnW5Nx1scq0Xfr aFhDSUS3DC9kmJbEREomLGFtVIG/tUKVo1bycOBZPaBJHZAXx2L/WQBTr9+WNeQr5Cmb Tz6Frw8a55u5FnZO0a8ZBG3z3ON+5CgLf7rxXeDXjYwAel0gzU+4ScSh6GOX6pIRyYyo q++HS90PklnJOH0ENswNEM5xyYuDgEIii0syFGp40GrFfOW/ep8Cpj8jq417Pps1BYiN uCvs/DS/7kRNtzYHuK/jWEwSdyB+3wN2j9yuEtSqiNeMWR3pvHW6q2B0crHx9Fo4c/oO 5ijg== kk6mr12273225veb.1.1372815207671; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:33:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <0F3866C9-A875-4907-A770-B78D57D60658@surewest.net> <3C.AE.14128.DCA81D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <00f101ce7789$89ed7ab0$9dc87010$@com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:33:27 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Michael Marr Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Michael Marr wrote: > Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? > Some Fiats as I recall -- possibly the 850 and perhaps small Hondas. I suppose my VW does too but that sort of depends on which end of the engine you think is the front. Most VW enthusiasts subscribe to the nomenclature that 'front means front' i.e. the end with the flywheel is the front of the engine so it, too, runs anticlockwise. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 2 19:56:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189BC42A75 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D2742A43 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id OIG68251; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 20:55:51 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'Dave'" , References: <0F3866C9-A875-4907-A770-B78D57D60658@surewest.net><3C.AE.14128.DCA81D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <00f101ce7789$89ed7ab0$9dc87010$@com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:55:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac53jg0moH9hP61oSq+FsGLuzKGNOQAAlOhg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hahaha! I like it! > > probably in the southern hemisphere . . . . ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 05:58:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6502042AF5 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 05:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC82542AD4 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 05:57:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 348D67003ADB2 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CCB33E000082 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:55:34 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372852535; bh=esYVOr/5Y9aOmLakRxIvZ0oyfWY2CiftGBKesnkcPS0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OWpzo8zM/Qe+lyKb5BtNHsEgFir7BcZGxY/wj9ZaaWWQYE9gS+bMCcxOq+Ej/Qyqe xfNVvQgK1Qd7GtkzTlaq24+IJ/6x3tPsEaAUWJZPgdM27laFGtJwHrLC3uKtwMydlB 1ncDoinFUMTfb3Fw+aPihp9TOLqZcmG/YSyJyMT8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951d411366d95 Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Those boys in the pit crew can fix anything! In a message dated 7/2/2013 5:04:05 PM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > duct tape....maybe 2 rolls > > Frank > > > > From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" > > > But the pit crew can get it back on course, right? > > In a message dated 7/2/2013 1:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, > wbeech@flash.net writes: > >For those that have raced Virginia International Raceway (VIR), word came > >today that the great oak at the south turn has fallen. :-( ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 06:00:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB82B42B2D for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:00:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D33A42AD6 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2A25A700000AA for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DB2C3E000081 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:00:42 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372852843; bh=uRTEmW/tHkPN+OD410+uqd88GZRAus64eGELn4MhV2k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JBTpnqTtrO2Xq62Kjhc1ECTsKYk6xUTQcrkCvtQNzhMFS/OECgNXRssfhkHxSKjiW 1xqWSdUT45ImjJlHZ6VxzXUf7PMXnUwC3Aa3PF+zAQP2kVgV5kMYFePChOKF8E42xo xKktsD7OjYx3nfbpDhD3bKWYASF9hAnckta693Ko= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951d4126a3693 Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If a tree falls in a forest... I heard told, once, that Renault had an engine they used in both rear engine and mid engine application. It rotated in the opposite direction in the two applications. I also heard about a boat engine (this was back in the internal combustion engine was in its infancy) that had a provision of indexing the camshaft so you can run the engine backwards for reversing the boat. I rank these up there with other urban myths. Dave In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, mmarr@notwires.com writes: > Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? > > Mike > > > > >It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 06:11:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700D542B2A for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:11:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DEE42ADD for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 784B97008D85C for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 39FD4E00008A for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:03:00 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372852981; bh=1AHb2lWJV/aO2NKu8wKjyp04DeveFlJGnQJAltdWVvs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WF8l/Yth05L7FKHayDB36sXSda95+TIw7kuAPLDxz3gIgx7FImavg4kdooD65sqab 7cPaRh3DiuaiGii1TFJ+cUkHCw0j6RRzz1BISVpeXhCx+EDjibjR43x0B5xFdLEmnL VZM5E5cVvyaJqNNpFQVzwKxy7LAAU/NZJRqCLx/I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51d412f54253 Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And the Saab? In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:39:01 PM Central Daylight Time, ahwahneetr@gmail.com writes: > Some Fiats as I recall -- possibly the 850 and perhaps small Hondas. I > suppose my VW does too but that sort of depends on which end of the engine > you think is the front. Most VW enthusiasts subscribe to the nomenclature > that 'front means front' i.e. the end with the flywheel is the front of > the > engine so it, too, runs anticlockwise. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 06:29:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1766242B55 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029DF42B01 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=a3w79LU6P7UA:10 a=8Jiv_AGKAAAA:20 a=1N82oPtQiSbrCq39po8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fSSemCZ-r9UA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:54628] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FA/9E-21735-62914D15; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:29:26 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 07:29:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net " And the Saab?" I just toured the SAAB museum last weekend, I am not sure if the old two strokes ran clockwise or counterclockwise, but the SAAB guys told me that the engine didn't care if it was running forwards or backwards, and they could accidently be started and run backwards..... http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb196/grglmn/DSCN0190_zps7373618b.jpg By the way, the place, in Ft. Dodge, IA, is quite a little treasure trove of those quirky little cars. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 06:44:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E3F42B5D for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723E140043 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 634C2700000B2 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2EE8BE000081 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:40:45 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:40:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:40:45 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372855245; bh=IOfUX3LLWQWE42WSsVrpoGeSQvkyNdt4bVA6bJKlIac=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z6l0IkDL0mXDxtzxFEqtcFUFKLXtSpRlugLsTNBNNGSQaLovNQOOPjE+U8zqdlR7i Qpt1JwMgw7iiVKydOQ3IffLDchjF9DwMr0XTRoVi8se8luCMDKZ9PLOFDbZTBPthNk +Nx+iV74l+vbzkg0IvDnuhPVRf6gkHZD98ACL5jo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c51d41bcd088c Subject: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I forgot. It is common practice in dual engined boats to run the engines in opposite directions. I guess this cancels out the reaction torque from the props. All you need do is to swap out the camshaft, the distributor, the oil pump and the water pump. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:00 am Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation If a tree falls in a forest... I heard told, once, that Renault had an engine they used in both rear engine and mid engine application. It rotated in the opposite direction in the two applications. I also heard about a boat engine (this was back in the internal combustion engine was in its infancy) that had a provision of indexing the camshaft so you can run the engine backwards for reversing the boat. I rank these up there with other urban myths. Dave In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, mmarr@notwires.com writes: Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? Mike > >It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 06:57:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F01442B82 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:57:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EC34274D for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 672AA7008238C for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 35548E000081 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) References: <625829DC027446D99935892599F63712@livingroompc> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:49:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372855798; bh=ZngVMFPDXZELZfY4SmxxR0Ta5wD3u9rkPFXqCuqr1VE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EnoWe/o01AfaSdwm3jflO1zvq6p5ek8zG2HIY+5CYqeQc/KXVCJ+B8Mk4tXX03y4E 8fJNof43K1G1e9izTV2DuzAbuEGaHc1RxTHH6vSGNF1G6oNHu29gsbp3p0WsNCzV95 mThZPngS2Nov0kNo1jJLgBfaQaNWrlOXfWVTc7ho= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a51d41df614d3 Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Cool. Those old cars, the ones before they became cliche, are really cool. Not very practical but cool. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lemon " And the Saab?" I just toured the SAAB museum last weekend, I am not sure if the old two strokes ran clockwise or counterclockwise, but the SAAB guys told me that the engine didn't care if it was running forwards or backwards, and they could accidently be started and run backwards..... http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb196/grglmn/DSCN0190_zps7373618b.jpg By the way, the place, in Ft. Dodge, IA, is quite a little treasure trove of those quirky little cars. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 08:15:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF6742BC7 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D8440518 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 45DFB700000A0 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mha002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.130]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 05152E000096 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-d276.sysops.aol.com (205.188.16.107) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:07:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372860477; bh=R8T2wg2F4WCs/yZBO88vNQyXEptsJ/qZWLLuv9ZllmY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qzVVPCU+craDpgGkOXK2nI59EDdLGVv0xKQ3vZdSdTa/IoXKyxRonYsyJVtgFtJ7Y rXw2CW+cDd9fAUEzGOfxa11CmzR8OopgyZSazJNmApbGcdOaZmhd6T+X74fE0ZKWh4 XpyAh1FH4RdbB0i+/NmAHSfAg7BdArMYpV1+8OmU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c51d4303d21e9 Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Right! Especially if that pit crew is.... wait for it.... the Wood Brothers. ;) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey Those boys in the pit crew can fix anything! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 08:46:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7286D42BC9 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E5940512 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170025pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MPD00B3Y7P2LSM1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:46:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vms170025 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:46:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:46:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] FL DMV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Red letter day yesterday. TS81802LO has been titled... No tags yet, need to get insurance first. (but I couldn't get insurance until it was titled - i.e. proof of ownership). I tried going to a different DMV office - with last NY registration, two prior owner bill of sale, bill of sale to me, BMHIT and Standard Triumph Build Records from TRA. No problems other than I had to get a VIN verification. With a little bit of research, I have the full pedigree. I am the 4th person to own the car. I did get the date corrected to match build records so now it is a 1960.... It was built 8 Dec 1960; dispatched 29 Sept 1961 to Japan... (it evidently sat in coventry for 10 months) Original purchase price ~3,000 Brought to the states in April, 1963 . First stateside registration was May 1, 1963; last expired on 04/30/72. Mileage at last registration (1971): 26,878. Sold in May, 1972 for $500, Transmission was 'trash' The second owner (now 83) had an unusual name and is still living at same address so I was able to talk with him. He had the car for 15 years and didn't do much to it except fix front end accident damage that occurred after he purchased it when he backed into it in the garage with his truck. included painting in maroon over the original black. (that explains the inner fender damage.) He never drove it as he never got around to repairing the transmission. Engine was running when he sold it for $100 in 1987. 3rd owner purchased a new O/D transmission in 1992 (have receipt); Purchased an additional $3500 in new parts over 4 year period to 1995. Got divorced in early 1996; car sat in ex-wife's garage until she made him put it up for sale in Dec, 1997. Asking $1000 - described as a dismantled TR3 with partially rebuilt engine/transmission. i.e. basket case. I bought it for $650 sight unseen - primarily as a parts car for my then rolling restoration. (I sold that car in 2002 to fund the restoration of this one) So according to the records - I am the 'second' owner :^) of a ~30,000mi TR3. No wonder the engine didn't need much work. Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > I am having issues with FL DMV on getting the TR3 registered. The > Bill of Sale is dated 1998; the car was last registered in NY in > 1987. The BOS is not notarized. The PO is no longer at that > address (no forwarding address). Any ideas? (Internet search came > up with 83 possibilities nationwide - no guarantee that he is still > alive) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 12:22:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A84742EA0 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493BD403D3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:14:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS2 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:14:49 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:14:43 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac54GTFojxxWS5jrRR2j5ECXOpPQeA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[34B907E0:01CE7819] Subject: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have recently acquired a 71 TR6 that has been laid up for approximately 10 years. Engine turns over by hand, so I'm ready to blip it with the starter to see if it builds oil pressure before firing it up. All electrical systems appear to be working properly, but when I turn the key to "position 3", I am not getting any voltage to the starter solenoid, so I suspect either a bad ignition switch or a broken "red and white wire". Red and white wire has no continuity to ground, so if it is broken, it's somewhere in the harness, as is isn't grounded between the ignition switch and the terminal. It would appear that removing the ignition switch is going to be a major undertaking unless I'm missing something. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 12:53:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F4F42FC1 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736E742E80 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:49:21 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=MTTAo2YcK3YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=NMXLs725lsUA:10 a=wgAiTrW0lGnyxwLQ5wUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:38192] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FD/40-15971-F2274D15; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 18:49:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 14:49:23 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Jonas Payne References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonas, IF the 71 is anything like the 72 then you will have to remove the dash in order to remove the switch. On the 72, the switch is secured to the steering with shear bolts. I had to dremel a grove in the bolts in order to get a screw driver to remove them. If you are industrious enough, you may just have to remove the speedo and tack. That might offer enough room, not sure. Once the switch portion of the switch is removed, the electrical portion just snaps off the back. You can then operate the electrical switch without a key or check continuity etc. But before you do all that, have someone put a volt meter between the solenoid and the red/white wire at the starter and then attempt to start the engine. IF there is no voltage to the solenoid then either the switch is bad or a broken wire as you suspected. The battery ground on the 6 is attached in two places, the body and the engine. Make sure this is clean and intact. Bob. On 07/03/2013 02:14 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > I have recently acquired a 71 TR6 that has been laid up for approximately 10 > years. > > Engine turns over by hand, so I'm ready to blip it with the starter to see > if it builds oil pressure before firing it up. > > All electrical systems appear to be working properly, but when I turn the > key to "position 3", I am not getting any voltage to the starter solenoid, > so I suspect either a bad ignition switch or a broken "red and white wire". > Red and white wire has no continuity to ground, so if it is broken, it's > somewhere in the harness, as is isn't grounded between the ignition switch > and the terminal. > > It would appear that removing the ignition switch is going to be a major > undertaking unless I'm missing something. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 13:23:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3C543004 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061242E68 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 250587008ACF1 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CF7D8E000087 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:16:01 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372878963; bh=YxY1xycERGuNLwu3RZvK2hRuKHyjgroO2h8Axw1WRt4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hp31FFyuBBZxTLvd1r7vy1Mtw7OVKklW/jjuWMEI3G8ZCtEiD7xOL+6gUSSuzlzNU QhdYra3xIJNdi21EVlB1sp+9JXLKHXe9IXVJD5oIV8nTC61/WPXJQjTtLCB3kFJUdM gIzBJ5s74ctxWhq+GmhKAKE7Ib2x+8lGxEW2Q58o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51d47872002a Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, are you branching out into comedy? In a message dated 7/3/2013 9:14:45 AM Central Daylight Time, zoboherald@aol.com writes: > Right! Especially if that pit crew is.... > > wait for it.... > > the Wood Brothers. > > ;) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 13:39:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F7A43031 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694A442FC3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 795F770094DFD for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3D606E000085 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372879866; bh=bQb2ndRu1F3OCm2zbQpI2QXZoz2MIDSxxmBkUnAcR88=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OlFmCseWEEzPCGxzagDZXs01/Nrv2VmvWzP9Z4wD8k088F/evokLyZSlCXwotNQoq Mo+Jt94Ngs5z7MYyHNSTdL7L/2+JAkMCwvtUKOPfNTv1rbJytTAt6jfJ1cZ05TPdn8 L5nHd+9FMYxZki6NLnAsS5pHHfTCcDncxy5E9njI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290851d47bfa01fd Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Where are you trying to measure continuity to ground on the Red/White wire? If you are checking at the ignition switch then there may be a break in the wire. I can't tell from the wiring diagram I have if there are any connectors between here and there but if there is check there first. Also make sure you have continuity to between the engine block and battery negative. If you measure nothing then try jumpering 12 volts to the Red/White wire on the solenoid and see if the starter engages. Dave In a message dated 7/3/2013 1:22:30 PM Central Daylight Time, jagmog@hotmail.com writes: > I have recently acquired a 71 TR6 that has been laid up for approximately > 10 > years. > > Engine turns over by hand, so I'm ready to blip it with the starter to see > if it builds oil pressure before firing it up. > > All electrical systems appear to be working properly, but when I turn the > key to "position 3", I am not getting any voltage to the starter solenoid, > so I suspect either a bad ignition switch or a broken "red and white > wire". > Red and white wire has no continuity to ground, so if it is broken, it's > somewhere in the harness, as is isn't grounded between the ignition switch > and the terminal. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 13:55:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE2142FD7 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 35BA942FC3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2013 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.247] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2013 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2013 19:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 34360 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2013 19:52:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372881158; bh=UynTw/svYW3jt/TwEXFUiC/kNGqvmgKrHdSG0lrO/sQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=krVAz0Vlp60vuYCsZVIzuybZ/HWOMYfXCQ+iFDqlryKvNCm/jTISKtkU/m3Q6tcahKnt5m1PiBQ/WvrBJWRLBVMdSh338dhxFArwd4tBfGRKRbu4l5O2kBH7cQnHYcwnLzEH7fwjpdgntmerkNFKKmqR9bGaa8niyP3pKC9CkdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TCzZ6adfznU/VWMG2SNlk6AoxcCbAwDb74YU7rpNAXglwDKquwEZ4LETQ3SX0IrZ/ocqDgGUcxnVROy+EivZw9kIy4q2btnFYHnSkhdbKYlC5e7BTMhz/0p/0ShvCXT+BCUZ73bKq5Yy77g/yGv5SKtZeNtuv5jLwxzdl25+YOc= ; idIkJz7K6fdKiYpoquZ1oUMRovxMXq6Ki6ihfzUB0bSJciA3q6a8Rue6ZvtS EAIomAIXnO02pATRHMx2pc2AKvMDpDj9b.JN.BIqMcv8OWD7zqp0zOPLFES5 b7y9Pd.cYEhlQKAeUf4tdngHIO8_aTN5BxVtMmr2TDurV.VJypuDPfhxMWY7 ffeuN2nqSUQLxI845fa20z5EWnWA9GDBtwNJ7QJdg5bE6tMTxSzT.Kgw5xgr Hne4n777dT8fPKAdVb52E.LoQwLJ8zUiBse_hrAl3i_edtNFArTemie_j5DP LfgIe_Fz1cQE0p_TciT_w1zOZuxd742ZLzhpf5a84EUEwfSBAK.S52xdYVrd Ryxktlx17Jz7ItObeOfTmfQHSngGesRSiZOldh5bknGx.IQGfomaVaQQ1xp4 hizhCPacY3pt4YFepu1ohi.uEmtxekR6abYcjCIdF1WQsd3P5ERwduF52AVU B8CBSRD2JcmJc6Y0rGVe3ukNdLJ3FJ8W4 Received: from [90.219.227.33] by web171904.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:52:38 BST CgpJdCB3b3VsZCBhcHBlYXIgdGhhdCByZW1vdmluZyB0aGUgaWduaXRpb24gc3dpdGNoIGlzIGdvaW5nIHRvIGJlIGEgbWFqb3IKdW5kZXJ0YWtpbmcgdW5sZXNzIEknbSBtaXNzaW5nIHNvbWV0aGluZy4gCgpZZXAhIFlvdSBjYW4gYmxhbWUgdGhlIEdlcm1hbidzIGZvciB0aGF0LiAKVGhleSB3ZXJlIHRoZSBmaXJzdCAob3IgYW1vbmcgdGhlIGZpcnN0KSB0byBzcGVjaWZ5IHN0ZWVyaW5nIGNvbHVtbiBpZ25pdGlvbi9zdGFydGVyIHN3aXRjaGVzIGluc3RlYWQgb2Yga2V5IHN0YXJ0LCBvciBrZXkgYW5kIGIBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:52:38 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Jonas Payne , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It would appear that removing the ignition switch is going to be a major undertaking unless I'm missing something. Yep! You can blame the German's for that. They were the first (or among the first) to specify steering column ignition/starter switches instead of key start, or key and button. Originally, Deutschland specified only a German lock from WASO would be acceptable and that had shear off bolt heads too - and the rest is history. Everyone in Europe later did the same on all car makes for all markets so that fifty years down the track, enthusiasts would have even more fun getting their cars to start :) Ya can't beat forward planning! Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 13:55:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2666242FD7 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0917342FC3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130703195339.FEDE6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:53:39 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id vvtf1l00K33eLpB05vtfc7; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:53:39 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=a3w79LU6P7UA:10 a=ImCzX-U-PAVjuU7JKYYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:53:43 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <625829DC027446D99935892599F63712@livingroompc> <8D04602F5516AB6-15FC-4EDDB@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/3/2013 8:49 AM, Dave Massey wrote: > Cool. Those old cars, the ones before they became cliche, are really cool. > Not very practical but cool. Some years back, I had a Sonett III. Cool but impractical about sums it up. Oh, and the body was fibreglas, but the floor pan rusted Just like a Triumph... Jeff Scarbrough corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 13:57:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3056643049 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7991F403EC for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130703195653.FFPZ6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:56:53 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id vvws1l00n33eLpB05vwsQA; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:53 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=NMXLs725lsUA:10 a=wl7XsoasjBGmmscR1tgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:56 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/3/2013 2:14 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > Engine turns over by hand, so I'm ready to blip it with the starter to see > if it builds oil pressure before firing it up. Before you go to all that other trouble, why not spin up the pump with a drill and a large screwdriver bit? I think it spins clockwise... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 14:10:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F91A43097 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01FF42FC3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130703200608.FJSQ6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:06:08 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id vw681l00133eLpB05w68od; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 16:06:08 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=NMXLs725lsUA:10 a=9QraubUxC-tlHorESIoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 16:06:11 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: *Triumphs List References: <51D48208.7060900@charter.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/3/2013 3:56 PM, Jeff wrote: > On 7/3/2013 2:14 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: >> Engine turns over by hand, so I'm ready to blip it with the starter to >> see >> if it builds oil pressure before firing it up. > > Before you go to all that other trouble, why not spin up the pump with a > drill and a large screwdriver bit? > > I think it spins clockwise... Of course, I meant counter-clockwise. Or maybe widdershins? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 15:28:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A34430F7 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB5B430BD for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130703212818.GSOE6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:28:18 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id vxUJ1l00L3enFnk05xUJMl; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:28:18 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=j3C9lohH8J0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=OU4cemtKAAAA:8 a=C9gApNGqCgNEK1RDdscA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=hgdhEnbVqYgA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Dave Massey'" , References: <8D04601ABABF5BA-15FC-4ED39@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:28:18 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHBcFGlWXyo0+t2zYipsshvswqiKgHZDukzmV6+4eA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's why Detroit Diesels (two stoke) were so popular for marine applications. The cam shaft and the balance shaft were swapped with a few other changes. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Massey Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:41 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation I forgot. It is common practice in dual engined boats to run the engines in opposite directions. I guess this cancels out the reaction torque from the props. All you need do is to swap out the camshaft, the distributor, the oil pump and the water pump. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:00 am Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation If a tree falls in a forest... I heard told, once, that Renault had an engine they used in both rear engine and mid engine application. It rotated in the opposite direction in the two applications. I also heard about a boat engine (this was back in the internal combustion engine was in its infancy) that had a provision of indexing the camshaft so you can run the engine backwards for reversing the boat. I rank these up there with other urban myths. Dave In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, mmarr@notwires.com writes: Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? Mike > >It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 15:58:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBCA43126 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D7842F2F for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r10so645510lbi.34 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 14:53:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DnmDvi76+ZEj5gAz681DDGJXWkJKDOWFSBcvrbKUlAY=; b=D/Pox3YodjgTH42+jpM6Ef2v1uyucOCQGcPUHv1JMHNI7GE80QPH3SFzY1oYNcJX5r VZkeY60L/OY0FiN+K7jQz/eOOmInUBagprWF5pi2dc6ysLg5hVkleY0rZkSWIhnBVZ1K R95350u2j48KyK8pfRVBUVcKU/Z5Hc3PyfhE8c24XZ24/P+NhShHjCBDGcrxLouamSo9 iC+t/zOjGbm6SGs4F2+46b+S7eiacPhAh6j86ujsmahzV25OZspuKDrzK8Gv2fkJguId 5cwQwl1A67xr9dtyJT7vys16L1ITwQlT/ZwWCpxGSEagtACYeKoukAInVq2vK7Sx6hgw 0mEQ== Wed, 03 Jul 2013 14:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:53:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <51D48208.7060900@charter.net> <51D48433.20007@charter.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:53:25 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm with Dave. Why don't you just Hotwire it? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 17:22:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2AF42FC3 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B38A42F06 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 56D1A70072184 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mha002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.130]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0CB4DE000089; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:21:38 -0400 (EDT) References: To: Dave1massey@cs.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.141.15 by webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 19:21:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:21:37 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372893698; bh=Ztfwtad7LmUJcTGw867gM7Z8YXLXvBxcSi+s0OkWzl4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nt0DS8UUXuSUWL9HXWbmC5r+m184ytZ1VlyO+T6KVNwTFUJVtnpzKwgZ19ySj+UFz wttfPt0o68cpbshEUw97SMqbtqSWWfUS+ANw7/JxGDugt4Yal2ANMer9A8wiT6+wm7 OKNLEuM2wJk6c41Pg/H3F/vu4UK0VEEtp+D9hQO0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51d4b2021233 Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Branch out? No; I'm firmly rooted in it. :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Oh, are you branching out into comedy? In a message dated 7/3/2013 9:14:45 AM Central Daylight Time, zoboherald@aol.com writes: > Right! Especially if that pit crew is.... > > wait for it.... > > the Wood Brothers. > > ;) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 18:54:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498FA431C0 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A646F42F54 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C876E700000B1 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dle004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.141]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 86746E000081 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:54:08 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.13) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:54:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:54:08 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372899248; bh=u3EGjrMPhVC+lgPcHj6zuTvdyZxPKdfpzLjSquPlOFM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hXjupsypSNRDtSh8uXfWD3XgKRoY1kNGEjwUp6pDdB7JYf9lHWQBerjZtUoRiuVZM nDA2e3pORl/kQ0Msvkh0sL/odh4OmjWfd1IftynL/6KQ3M/U7bWfcP+XES84C0tnsL jkIZDJnXiPcvzP7JCedylPWnAnKYdF5A+YONucgE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51d4c7b05e63 Subject: [TR] Overdrive OK! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To The List, especially: Bud, Randall and Greg: My new overdrive solenoid arrived today and it solved the non-engagement problem. It now engages a bit slower than did the old one (when it worked) but never misses a beat. A great car back to 100% again. Thank you all! George CTC 55423LO 1965 TR4A, IRS, Surrey top, RATCO Frame ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 19:52:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3B64323F for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF5542F3B for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:51:53 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=LzqxhTyEkWsA:10 a=gTmDPpyd7yFHdsbdPKkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55011] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DC/FB-05415-835D4D15; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 01:51:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'George Haynes'" , Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:52:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac54UQ+dgdkSJ7TySsu+Kp1ZmcSaHAAB24YA Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive OK! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It now engages a bit slower than did > the old one (when it worked) but never misses a beat. Be sure to check how far the plunger can drop when not engaged. If it drops too far, the solenoid may have a hard time picking it up (which might be related to your slower engagement, and possibly even related to why the old solenoid failed). Early units had an adjustment there (which sometimes works loose and falls out); later units used a rubber bumper (that is frequently missing). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 20:23:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0A743CA7 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644A6431CC for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 02:23:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.5] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 02:23:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 02:23:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 31849 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2013 02:23:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372904588; bh=R2G3mOMYKyVQ/E+9JlK8TJABhBuTrUf51CT3OX296ig=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PudLNIu74fANFyUus2wMHOXeBZBUdN1bg3o35yfawOhxNaEcb2aEoZsjnKpxlk+v/vHHMeEGLnIcHDvm+r/vsdACLK0kdgF7sFs+arSuU5ik8tKDdVk8d7er/JKYGkc3dn0WJ0P4LRmetpG6tsFr69+jgZysMVYogONdtBWPML8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pwHHDYDdfgxTMCYLwQ7rDo3gqLJyUGEfdWY6pr+iB1vcWzHA58WqPqSfKd5SecGvQ1W/O1vympYaGMGfTPHF6DmzkOuTYeDTjslJEVT1WyTEkaaKt8xwyeUgbaHlBRUUfvnbsr912dJFQxZB9eR4yeEKz8qKWuqbTLCRPFkfFJQ= ; 7hjW15rqvWuSkISEW.yss925NckAJOUGFXoyC2AS99u._vntgkFzJz9OzM2O 11xDrRSzy8CpVgJPaZuq0uUh5IAOk91I3kNEMGZdJx63vbYxBkYd4gvrbUc1 Sgk7iKORFrrtv8VFm2Z8GmvveBA3niMpeQ.lqWo0o_Kd9F3T2OX6nDkBFxXF 7Kfr3WSWu4lehSJoJVCjjuYqPIJUGcOTzPdtOgUwyRCH9Y_hsk2qdvOcC_dw F6QImypAlnrVWrycXO9xRYzBNj.PZmvsFubIDqXrv3rAQpeklRZgtmbTH3ij YHuPlxLdz1p_FKpkNQ.chcxDo98nxGB_PPQSIJp.1j_8Po.x9syAU.6Qvasy oHXF472fbbWZuVFKdW07J.w2imWAGrTz4p0vQMy7kDNY2HAp_t4f6Q023abj t3b3Mz9H0oKBYXgI9Gs7GIJ_UEjgn0xJMb8irfY.j8lpPvx93RXRcCrnVmfm u11ANCYfo_djrG_OyK66ZN5EJRwCY_d7YUQxl201foZWGUW5NyoeXnf4TIYr jj7bqSftgR_yTgiI0SNolYPZWUpdpk0ktFdU- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 19:23:08 PDT QXJlIHRoZXJlIHNldmVyYWwgZGlmZmVyZW50IHdhdGVyIHB1bXBzIGZvciB0ci0zJ3Mgb3IgNCdzP8KgIEkndmUganVzdCBzdGFydGVkIHJ1bm5pbmcvdHJvdWJsZXNob290aW5nIG15IHRyLTMgYWZ0ZXIgYSBjb21wbGV0ZSByZXN0b3JhdGlvbiBhbmQgbm90aWNlZCB0aGF0IHRoZSBmYW4gYmVsdCBkb2VzIG5vdCBsaW5lIHVwIHdpdGggdGhlIGdlbmVyYXRvciBvciBjcmFuayBwdWxsZXkuwqAgVGhlIHdhdGVyIHB1bXAgc2VlbXMgdG8gYmUgZm9yd2FyZCBhdCBsZWFzdCBhIHF1YXJ0ZXIgb3IgaGFsZiBpbmMBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] water pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are there several different water pumps for tr-3's or 4's? I've just started running/troubleshooting my tr-3 after a complete restoration and noticed that the fan belt does not line up with the generator or crank pulley. The water pump seems to be forward at least a quarter or half inch. It's very noticable and I can't figure out how I put it on in the first place without noticing. Anyway, I'm wondering if there are water pumps with different lengths between the rotor and pulley? Thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 20:51:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C35143D2B for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B3043D0D for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id y6so767466lbh.23 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 19:46:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QXyxelueSPG3L9COs00G5I6kcybDjsu+o1y7scqC93U=; b=Burv1tGFwnSgvDLkXfxl2uzBMB1grYAAZLYCyv66ZaHAbBEoxrwYDGgLDFECXupyBk 8svMFN99B9ph7Ro/ZaqXCY7njYchacvb0F5b7oE1w0JbbPKAzX7BHZBWsbyVaKheZf+l rIhxlCp4VVnXAwzqNToqvi6ppdDZ0A1To1VnKUfeQpX/H9dfMuldMDCUqWAs9wQYCwpt 1eO/TvSw5qlvf2ZuUydJbJlp/86VS1CV9mshUMBcHie1XAEUaIHCmkYksXJIaUOMhMyL S0E3/yvTw+AsxcO+GFV5osk2MVyBK6CtvEFvMPRVL2YMQTLDRS2xFvzFYYQTh7DkzZlc E4Wg== az12mr1828483lab.24.1372906009365; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 19:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 19:46:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D0465B33288CBB-1050-77AA2@webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 22:46:49 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: "Andrew S. Mace" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will miss that tree. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 3 21:28:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8916240436 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 21:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDB84040F for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 21:28:35 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=IX_V9bCcJD8A:10 a=kJpdqxNDkDE5oPl3FfwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5OcGTrMvqJcA:10 a=z5ME4kTyQu4A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 20/3E-15971-1EBE4D15; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 03:28:34 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:28:44 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac54XX+yBMhib404TaqA1hRQ2jR4VAACJcaw Subject: Re: [TR] water pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Are there several different water pumps for tr-3's or 4's? Just several different aftermarket pumps, including the "6 vane" version. They should all interchange, but it appears that there is a lot of variation in them. Someone on another forum just got a pump that held the pulley too far back, so it hit the studs. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 05:21:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0801B42A36 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 05:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D375942A28 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 05:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fn20so1133644lab.28 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 04:13:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=vaLzYt2+LB4TOfZ98QOZ0Ra0WUTvKh6WQN9HyCddevw=; b=Cgida3qVSyC5xwbN7vcphDvXfnWtTBDBG1ELdIQEBlv++er3Gjaf9Ds4MyFih6aHkC LeVYX7MmhqzYyB75FC45eJr0ZtWqP/6OD6bsjBJe1D6u2r6akJAprHDDJ6qsvKRKmcKY PyFp8V55LH+GyMkGgwlbaxrf+OczaF93mCHGzbXp4ppP0ndmCkGjjnI10IMnr4tJ5BpS ZctXGYZa0hw37muw10Dj+f3lz4cRtrdiUQzzkFkaBwQYvHFil7nzteuRwhJ2YVWVs6yM W1A46PwTv0Pal5LcupUM1KtX58DJz2MYPDkXqBM1VCwGUv3daZWWolm1u5yolv/FQWzU cpJw== rq10mr3219631lbb.83.1372936432139; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 04:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 04:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:13:32 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Anyone got a photo of a tr3a bulkhead post TS60000? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi everyone, I'm helping a friend put together a basket case TR3A. Wiring is coming up soon. I've got TeriAnn's bulkhead grommet diagram and that's a help. I'm looking at how the fuse box, voltage regualtor and flasher mount. I found this link, close to our commission number (supposed comm # as the car was fully stripped and could have been made from more than one car). http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/28357-where-did-i-see-the-picture-of-the-tr3-bulkhead/#entry207503 What other hints - well some of the holes were welded over by patch plates/bondo found on the back side of the bulkhead. We have a caged nut (broken bolt), I presume for the flasher, but it's above and to the right of the comission plate - probably 6 inches to the left and 4 inches down from the photo of the engine bay in the link. anyone got a pic of a bulkead like I'm talking about? Would be appreciated. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 05:41:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634A042A34 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 05:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1568342A29 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 05:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so945512veb.17 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 04:41:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uWoa3mOJQH5ktL2f7nKmsYizgjYEjYAarniiQdXsPFw=; b=VwXYLc9nXd4tTESora22DBhUilXPSUEAzv7ZEZWRhYNqYsHeihPLpmfG6dtKhTzsJ4 SW9BMIRtbi+ww8XhAzXYESBeyTCuMFbG+2QC+mJyhbf1fSgAd4Pz9dQqFZhp1XVKBi+U we1ubugquzyCbBamy8tC3NjNXrH3tU5Qp7Kh6YiOUDeghxpe52czlxR2ZdcXLGYz29jC pAuGFauGhIUIMsKl7yE1OaiTqCDJL9bEFfyU2Lhqs9i89N32ZEqFOsNWIGmux78mMclG WwL/faAjNRncwvO0LPexlNjKI4UqmyUCEZ9+lu8ni9sjL5c+jZeCaVm1CMb52t31Enup 7cgw== x18mr1949253vce.96.1372938064531; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 04:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.53.3 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 04:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:41:04 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Build date question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday, I bought a 71 TR6, at least according to the title. My friend is puzzled by the build date. The vin plate on the door says it was built in Oct of 1970 and he's puzzled by the vin CC54740 LO. The title say CC54740 LO, the plate on the windshield says the same , but the plate on the B post is just CC54740 L, no O; but the car has O/D. Is it possible it came through this way, or did someone replace the plate and leave off the O ?? It seems that CC54740 should have been built before October of 70. Al [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1971 tr6 003.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 06:07:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005E842A4D for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 06:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E7140405 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 06:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPE00IHUUW7ZXG0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 07:05:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'Chris Simo'" References: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:04:54 -0400 Thread-index: AQFhjLuASWKtvu3CnZCg748OYDAJbJouQjKw Content-language: en-us Cc: Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] Anyone got a photo of a tr3a bulkhead post TS60000? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is an image of a local one-owner original car (TS67xxx). Sounds like placement is same as what you found - but it is not mounted by caged nut. A simple screw. I mounted mine the same as this. I did add a second fuse box to the left of the original for lighting and other high-powered circuits. I'll look to see what the cage nut might be when I am in the garage later today. Apologies to the list for the stripped image. If you want a copy - email me. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:14 AM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Anyone got a photo of a tr3a bulkhead post TS60000? Hi everyone, I'm helping a friend put together a basket case TR3A. Wiring is coming up soon. I've got TeriAnn's bulkhead grommet diagram and that's a help. I'm looking at how the fuse box, voltage regualtor and flasher mount. I found this link, close to our commission number (supposed comm # as the car was fully stripped and could have been made from more than one car). http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/28357-where-did-i-see-t he-picture-of-the-tr3-bulkhead/#entry207503 What other hints - well some of the holes were welded over by patch plates/bondo found on the back side of the bulkhead. We have a caged nut (broken bolt), I presume for the flasher, but it's above and to the right of the comission plate - probably 6 inches to the left and 4 inches down from the photo of the engine bay in the link. anyone got a pic of a bulkead like I'm talking about? Would be appreciated. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 100_1254.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 06:09:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE62742A2B for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 06:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FBB40421 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 06:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 10so1148533lbf.36 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 05:08:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=eYw6L70noQfK+J9KWZUWFSufjuRrBaDehggJoHANxt8=; b=nt9dIoWEvsOvmdCz/x/6bTW4iqXrl780NCktv/czn5wlsc2WFkcHkeIt2zF8bDuRTH XLaythTlwUpllDyfallqHH5192wsa+s0fwwIJlFuG617UHrDvb0lz3+exfVfbFiRduvq 07Qfq4/UNX1nPOE9uNNg5nEI8lTWru1BhVNEB7dsmmf7luCJlvzXSE9Z6MgN1hMqumJw CqMsJVcDg9169haHnPbp/tPGKQ5Gj/xmoBUMK3U2MEjNFaD36iGmhSrdKzXV+wA89v21 FHi9xcFmtnbc+c1hs2dsez5thJpBSsuUY8e47pN+5/TmEjY0NwAjBzeFXf7WDahFDL5X P9qQ== rq10mr3321289lbb.83.1372939728596; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 05:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 05:08:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <001201ce78ae$b2376320$16a62960$@verizon.net> From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:08:28 -0400 To: "cfmtr3a@verizon.net" Cc: Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] Anyone got a photo of a tr3a bulkhead post TS60000? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sweet!!! That's just what I needed. Thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 06:38:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF3942A39 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 06:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2058340453 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 06:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 060E87007D12A for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B2060E000086; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:34:46 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D0465B33288CBB-1050-77AA2@webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com> To: zoboherald@aol.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d241.sysops.aol.com (205.188.17.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:34:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:34:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372941286; bh=qQbcfIgphL9CuzgetfaBnnXzCm+Mi1PAC5emPrramXc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fOJHwLQw+GB7Py8z1YsjIn+OmnqLu5iNGYr9ycRP+6wvMZoLPfH0Oso2NJm+UBVqp kGEkuq56XlV5vCFmffLGnIcW7d2NbezBZh/qQoyv8Frsn3fRd6YQ+brPpr+18XBBQy FMYqxqvLrv5m0LPSPX6rZryKvJ+WN3e6QsT4MdUE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51d56be602bf Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net At least you're well grounded. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Andrew S. Mace To: Dave1massey ; triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Branch out? No; I'm firmly rooted in it. :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Oh, are you branching out into comedy? In a message dated 7/3/2013 9:14:45 AM Central Daylight Time, zoboherald@aol.com writes: > Right! Especially if that pit crew is.... > > wait for it.... > > the Wood Brothers. > > ;) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 07:01:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FC042A33 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585BB40453 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DCA38700773E3; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.133]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 97018E000082; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:57:22 -0400 (EDT) To: alansalvy@gmail.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372942642; bh=bHFadokvaVtS57MRTMD1o0PYug+hQ8RV3CVdphTncFM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VsQcFIWVw5N7mtBNckaC67xnCNHLVDWjYTBbze4HwGZ1syXUL+63LObnU7DdUhZLJ i9Wa+UnNXIMJ8hFaxU1PM4zA7Wvh+lepE4v9V6rbOV4IcVyiLZ0jWzun0LA/nnPf3W GjAZGc4vELNRPUcF4Ohp/UnVvCFMU1BdF/Ru3YV0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a51d571320952 Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Al, According to "Dating Information" in one of Bill Piggott's Original Triumph books I have, 1971 models started production with commission number CC58298L some time in 1970. That said, it's not uncommon to find cars built earlier than the "official" factory model change date to be titled as the next year model. CC54740LO is close enough to CC58298L to be likely titled as a 1971 model. What is puzzling is that you have a commission plate on the door and the B post....the plates were fitted from the factory to the B post....I don't have any reference of plates ever being fitted to a door. One guess is that, at some point, body work/paint work was done and the shop technician replaced the plate to the door. A bit later in time, another person pointed out that the B post should have a plate and a repro plate (without the O) was stamped and put on the B post. Regardless, it sounds like you have a legitimate deal.....just a simple mix-up in the placement of the plates. If you want to be "period correct" you could remove the correct plate from the door and replace the plate on the B post with it. Use a couple of metal screws in the holes left by the door plate....only a concours judge would probably ever wonder what those two screws were for! Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:41:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, alansalvy@gmail.com writes: Yesterday, I bought a 71 TR6, at least according to the title. My friend is puzzled by the build date. The vin plate on the door says it was built in Oct of 1970 and he's puzzled by the vin CC54740 LO. The title say CC54740 LO, the plate on the windshield says the same , but the plate on the B post is just CC54740 L, no O; but the car has O/D. Is it possible it came through this way, or did someone replace the plate and leave off the O ?? It seems that CC54740 should have been built before October of 70. Al [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1971 tr6 003.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 08:43:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AE442A39 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C052F403FE for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:43:23 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=5gMGJPz7nZwA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=xiQ0oPyQfOIA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=2GoJA-bSFHElrCjVBicA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=bs3Xq79ayi4A:10 a=kW2_DDmc0e0A:10 a=D7GU7hsbSKRBxa8WWUcA:9 a=1Ae9qt3SCf4OZ3XQ:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50028] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id E7/9C-26515-A0A85D15; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:43:22 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:47:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy July 4th everyone! Probably the single most demanding use of propane all year.. I am considering replacing my amp guage with a voltage guage and would like to hear if anyone has a suggestion that would match the look of the guages to some extent. Again, Have a good holiday! Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS Starting to run out of reasons I can't start the motor (finally). http://home.fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 09:59:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B42342A9F for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9457042A39 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.37.234.adsl.snet.net [69.0.37.234]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2Kqa-1U2oLQ3OhI-00svbf; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:57:35 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Dave Connitt" , References: <5F4E24C5639A42A4949E0871ED6E77F6@DaveLaptop> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:57:35 -0400 sWZKqxRFXwf05oLvpM0hj9hyRQAaDp1V93MTxwHpZSUd1FpJm7 UBkspZSiYMjQYSHkCB6nfcp37uXeVzXMH6G6Lvns0mT9Pby/WQ 6jcraKLjoHPrFYPGCZBg9P7X9nJvudcWSBmoAEBK4lWHsQNYIb 7WuMSwvKPMGGh7ma/m+Lr65bBLMTHNSRjX7e00hIygXh8LbaoF Oac8LLtm10OMQTA+2hxIZBCV0r6oth9r/37DtkebOvlAoD48hb 8esOz5CViHBXg3apSBUu6gjnTA/xNFxrt+khIUg8EmWu576DJZ 57ILRkWXps0+/YUnMSm20FF61s/7UzVRcMPMVO7oz Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave.......... contact Morris at West Valley Instruments (http://westvalleyinstruments.com/index.htm) and ask him for a recommendation. He does great work at an excellent price and delivers on time as promised. He just redid my gauges in a Magnolia face and converted the tach to electronic and the speedo to GPS. Too bad we can't share pictures but if you want to see what he did for me, contact me directly. Over in 6-Pack, West Valley has become the instrument shop of choice. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:47 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Happy July 4th everyone! Probably the single most demanding use of propane all year.. I am considering replacing my amp guage with a voltage guage and would like to hear if anyone has a suggestion that would match the look of the guages to some extent. Again, Have a good holiday! Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS Starting to run out of reasons I can't start the motor (finally). http://home.fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 11:48:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26FC42AD2 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE92D40572 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:44:10 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=dS-lDtJ0bNQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=jzQbsqUv9b8A:10 a=92ZzxF-JAAAA:20 a=dxKhbPxjAAAA:20 a=e95XcE0WZgG9gYOiBtMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=49xM5jCdKZEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 75/1A-05415-764B5D15; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:44:08 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:44:18 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac54xOTtVKOSNLOfTF++UThJ/hqnywAF9sIA Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am considering replacing my amp guage with a voltage guage If the reason is that you are installing an alternator that exceeds the capacity of the stock ammeter; may I suggest keeping the ammeter and adding a shunt to recalibrate it? http://goo.gl/mD0F4 The voltmeter from an early Stag might match reasonably well, if you can swap the 4A bezel (which I assume is chrome) for the black bezel used on the Stag. But having tried both, I much prefer the ammeter. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L daily driver 71 Stag LE1473L waiting for engine rebuild 71 Stag LE2014LBW waiting for (OD) gearbox rebuild ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 12:19:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633D642AF6 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C86403D8 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9E3DE70077489 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 94707E000087 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:08:39 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D04601ABABF5BA-15FC-4ED39@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> <002c01ce7834$3c57e9b0$b507bd10$@charter.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-vm020.sysops.aol.com (64.12.251.121) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:08:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:08:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372961320; bh=DeM3LckxO4i+YI1CTogArOBOIMNxB70ANjtaV494eGU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sFaHTZGHGPN1ny8IfAAN2BN5/SqvJnDRwzquGAIF7aBRCc7JGx43qfmRykwQANicC jhguJmgyv+rqbrmAY/UKVCvlJyEuCgz7Iy6OAQi/9cyXaQqxDgaxao1atCovTh0MOm YTMpiHLgv1aNGR1LHRHUS32NcaKJ/4CqTu7woYyY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51d5ba276f8b Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Propeller replacement is a routine maintenance item, anyway. ;-) Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Doug Fraser To: Alex&Janet Thomson Cc: Dave Massey ; Sent: Thu, Jul 4, 2013 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation You would also need to replace the propellor. Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Alex&Janet Thomson" wrote: > That's why Detroit Diesels (two stoke) were so popular for marine > applications. The cam shaft and the balance shaft were swapped with a few > other changes. > > Alex Thomson > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Massey > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:41 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation > > I forgot. It is common practice in dual engined boats to run the engines > in opposite directions. I guess this cancels out the reaction torque from > the props. All you need do is to swap out the camshaft, the distributor, > the oil pump and the water pump. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave1massey > To: triumphs > Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:00 am > Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation > > > If a tree falls in a forest... > > I heard told, once, that Renault had an engine they used in both rear engine > and mid engine application. It rotated in the opposite direction in the two > applications. > > I also heard about a boat engine (this was back in the internal combustion > engine was in its infancy) that had a provision of indexing the camshaft so > you can run the engine backwards for reversing the boat. > > I rank these up there with other urban myths. > > Dave > > In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > mmarr@notwires.com writes: > > Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? > > Mike > >> >> It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dougfr2@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 13:06:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAB740572 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7E14044C for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:03:51 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1372964623; x=1373569423; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=j9x/57Fq70mz1CDbIrJ1lzTlNw6qYiFZtFX9CJGPQCo=; b=ssd s12XRLJEWvodNIwml9qrPzTwXrEU35OwTpnUD4El1ScmOenheSfuAlsKlVIZzYAm JQDOoeE3ksAYoZL8mMmjdQua5vGMzWEIHzmkcUxFks3IwYghu8kEb7QrQQmI1XEk QnVaTwt9QBK3WSEmOIX9MFitiBwmFm4/zjGsP8IU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=8gYAKpLdeTjEeyca2NeJqqwDCg0o5+6PDZmL65QDJdACFgj0xNT66B35Nsct wE3tx1jyEc7+UttPfblY/Rl1OWMUPqmxDYR1gd6xS5KIKFRVluFd7SNE3 r9vG7pj3LiONGJXxVc6a2kPszovhK2GxNFXCI320WIfIjRZ7RwuGl0=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 43-md50000136707.msg for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:03:43 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:09:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'dave1massey@cs.com'" , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Put it in reverse. Mark -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Massey Sent: July-04-13 2:09 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Propeller replacement is a routine maintenance item, anyway. ;-) Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Doug Fraser To: Alex&Janet Thomson Cc: Dave Massey ; Sent: Thu, Jul 4, 2013 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation You would also need to replace the propellor. Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Alex&Janet Thomson" wrote: > That's why Detroit Diesels (two stoke) were so popular for marine > applications. The cam shaft and the balance shaft were swapped with a few > other changes. > > Alex Thomson > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Massey > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:41 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation > > I forgot. It is common practice in dual engined boats to run the engines > in opposite directions. I guess this cancels out the reaction torque from > the props. All you need do is to swap out the camshaft, the distributor, > the oil pump and the water pump. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave1massey > To: triumphs > Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:00 am > Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation > > > If a tree falls in a forest... > > I heard told, once, that Renault had an engine they used in both rear engine > and mid engine application. It rotated in the opposite direction in the two > applications. > > I also heard about a boat engine (this was back in the internal combustion > engine was in its infancy) that had a provision of indexing the camshaft so > you can run the engine backwards for reversing the boat. > > I rank these up there with other urban myths. > > Dave > > In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > mmarr@notwires.com writes: > > Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? > > Mike > >> >> It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 13:21:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6949C42A84 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB1D403FA for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:17:06 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1372965418; x=1373570218; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=/6yK/ISg3B0OmJHpEFuFh2qWXnAPGEed46+CXXNoWqA=; b=var IhoenP92KrFv0eewsl0li47kuAC5Ey5Ty4AllbJtXp7uojPNQKc4RNFoV1LD2H2B 43KHe2Df4uo5j/5JmQqwhCvVdL9oOXpKzBnC8tDeAzxNgkFy5Fgwirp1oESM1/ZK Xq1/KttPpq7kGsvogjufpfVYDudnmDkoCn/UgFhA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=w7L1B1ihHQc6/MJ6GIhZMGWFM+FM3em8sgYluQNeoil83hF7xIxfU++3bbRS L7U0D1Ar3lX0/KBH7Tuovxf6yy8KFOlw0QUF28w4WjpokDXgtu/9YxldK I3FoPqE4O3mPQhyUwJm2WnuPG9liGO6171VJJKM0Mgbr5sTDx0kTN8=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 05-md50000137074.msg for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:16:57 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:23:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'dave1massey@cs.com'" , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hit the send before finishing. Meant to say, you could put it in reverse, but would lose any counter-torque benefit of course. On my OMC electric shift you could just reverse the coil wires and run two normal engines with different propellers. Mark -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Massey Sent: July-04-13 2:09 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation Propeller replacement is a routine maintenance item, anyway. ;-) Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Doug Fraser To: Alex&Janet Thomson Cc: Dave Massey ; Sent: Thu, Jul 4, 2013 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation You would also need to replace the propellor. Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Alex&Janet Thomson" wrote: > That's why Detroit Diesels (two stoke) were so popular for marine > applications. The cam shaft and the balance shaft were swapped with a few > other changes. > > Alex Thomson > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Massey > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:41 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Fwd: Engine rotation > > I forgot. It is common practice in dual engined boats to run the engines > in opposite directions. I guess this cancels out the reaction torque from > the props. All you need do is to swap out the camshaft, the distributor, > the oil pump and the water pump. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave1massey > To: triumphs > Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:00 am > Subject: Re: [TR] Engine rotation > > > If a tree falls in a forest... > > I heard told, once, that Renault had an engine they used in both rear engine > and mid engine application. It rotated in the opposite direction in the two > applications. > > I also heard about a boat engine (this was back in the internal combustion > engine was in its infancy) that had a provision of indexing the camshaft so > you can run the engine backwards for reversing the boat. > > I rank these up there with other urban myths. > > Dave > > In a message dated 7/2/2013 8:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > mmarr@notwires.com writes: > > Haha! But, are there any auto engines that rotate counter-clockwise? > > Mike > >> >> It rotates the same, no matter where you stand. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 13:37:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0767742A9F for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CE340439 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ThePC (ool-457eebd9.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.235.217]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MPF00K6SFPD5OG0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:34:21 -0400 From: Bob To: triumphs@autox.team.net Thread-index: Ac544V6T4z/Zw0ZuSj62qQVlK6dW+gACiyLw References: Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Alan, I have CC58110L. Built 28Oct70. Car was sold in Sept 1971 as a 1971, I have the sell ID plate and Heritage Certificate.. So they built at least 3370 cars in October 1970?????? Something smells funny. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:41:04 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Build date question Message-ID: Yesterday, I bought a 71 TR6, at least according to the title. My friend is puzzled by the build date. The vin plate on the door says it was built in Oct of 1970 and he's puzzled by the vin CC54740 LO. The title say CC54740 LO, the plate on the windshield says the same , but the plate on the B post is just CC54740 L, no O; but the car has O/D. Is it possible it came through this way, or did someone replace the plate and leave off the O ?? It seems that CC54740 should have been built before October of 70. Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 13:58:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54BB42AE9 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B824040B for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130704195811.CYJR3892.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:58:11 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.99.82.107]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id wKyA1l00h2Jvvxw01KyBN2; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:58:11 -0400 a=BrgYjPiL4d2cFgrlBXpIzQ==:17 a=etz5-elFEMMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qemQRVoy8pIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=3dvxTMOvS1E9Jc4B1lkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=BrgYjPiL4d2cFgrlBXpIzQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Bob'" , References: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:58:18 -0700 Thread-index: Ac544V6T4z/Zw0ZuSj62qQVlK6dW+gACiyLwAAFFKiA= Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am not specifically familiar with the TR6 plate issues, but relating to Spitfire commission plates, those dates are typically referring to the date the model specification went into effect and not the actual build date. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Alan, I have CC58110L. Built 28Oct70. Car was sold in Sept 1971 as a 1971, I have the sell ID plate and Heritage Certificate.. So they built at least 3370 cars in October 1970?????? Something smells funny. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:41:04 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Build date question Message-ID: Yesterday, I bought a 71 TR6, at least according to the title. My friend is puzzled by the build date. The vin plate on the door says it was built in Oct of 1970 and he's puzzled by the vin CC54740 LO. The title say CC54740 LO, the plate on the windshield says the same , but the plate on the B post is just CC54740 L, no O; but the car has O/D. Is it possible it came through this way, or did someone replace the plate and leave off the O ?? It seems that CC54740 should have been built before October of 70. Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 14:23:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7345140572 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5BC40421 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id wLLz1l00D53lu5001LM0Ze; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:21:01 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <5F4E24C5639A42A4949E0871ED6E77F6@DaveLaptop> <4CB5C8A29B2049D696AE8A7AF1876072@BobDell> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:18:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net just got a gage back from them. happy customer!! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: Dave Connitt ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Hi Dave.......... contact Morris at West Valley Instruments (http://westvalleyinstruments.com/index.htm) and ask him for a recommendation. He does great work at an excellent price and delivers on time as promised. He just redid my gauges in a Magnolia face and converted the tach to electronic and the speedo to GPS. Too bad we can't share pictures but if you want to see what he did for me, contact me directly. Over in 6-Pack, West Valley has become the instrument shop of choice. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:47 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Happy July 4th everyone! Probably the single most demanding use of propane all year.. I am considering replacing my amp guage with a voltage guage and would like to hear if anyone has a suggestion that would match the look of the guages to some extent. Again, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 14:23:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7206342AE7 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4297F40435 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id wLLz1l00D53lu5001LM1Zo; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:21:01 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:20:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] gas tank removal tr3b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net can I take it out through the trunk? or do I have to remove the rear panel, etc? and if so, what else is holding the rear panel in? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 14:38:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB2A42ADE for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:38:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EEB40439 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so1299278veb.3 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:32:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NDsCcXXb1705NUqfLe/mM7oCaM5+q4UKrhQ9/Zrf+IM=; b=b3NXZy76Pr0Uapvr9e5fLsBfsJcNjCNBlUTbA201xYUIGZQO8Pyp6lut5aTKtCZCTQ M/NYp4mH7V66VO6ChECd2yt0reqBUTTGs22g3oEAIVqDhggejEkZm1zr2IJ9JJKGM8oe WP5mOZwlpNwDZyFm6w1GIsFSi5y5OYatEOm6GH1EAw1jjXiviSwPo1+Vk7i+i2Z7pswt tLHtfGfaOIqiUzZI3jAcdbuqesPwFpzXb2bKsOgFrAl68EW7fnxtZC1TfAC4KCrDtH0S 7QyrjGuavh53I2dDxXPGhB8QY7B6d7l0tl5WTc+9lq+57OD67do87fvPY0YDIrQHzFGk MN+A== r9mr4300715vci.69.1372969973269; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.53.3 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:32:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <3f4e.740df146.3f06cb32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:32:53 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: Chip19474@aol.com Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, I didn't mean to say door, the vin is on the B post and the windshield. oops, Al On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:57 AM, wrote: > ** > Al, > > According to "Dating Information" in one of Bill Piggott's Original > Triumph books I have, 1971 models started production with commission number > CC58298L some time in 1970. That said, it's not uncommon to find cars > built earlier than the "official" factory model change date to be titled as > the next year model. > > CC54740LO is close enough to CC58298L to be likely titled as a 1971 > model. What is puzzling is that you have a commission plate on the door > and the B post....the plates were fitted from the factory to the B > post....I don't have any reference of plates ever being fitted to a door. > > One guess is that, at some point, body work/paint work was done and the > shop technician replaced the plate to the door. A bit later in time, > another person pointed out that the B post should have a plate and a repro > plate (without the O) was stamped and put on the B post. > > Regardless, it sounds like you have a legitimate deal.....just a simple > mix-up in the placement of the plates. > > If you want to be "period correct" you could remove the correct plate from > the door and replace the plate on the B post with it. Use a couple of > metal screws in the holes left by the door plate....only a concours judge > would probably ever wonder what those two screws were for! > > Chip Krout > Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. > Skippack, PA > 1962 TR4 CT2052L > > > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:41:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > alansalvy@gmail.com writes: > > Yesterday, I bought a 71 TR6, at least according to the title. > > My friend is puzzled by the build date. > > The vin plate on the door says it was built in Oct of 1970 and he's > puzzled by the vin CC54740 LO. > > The title say CC54740 LO, the plate on the windshield says the same , but > the plate on the B post is just CC54740 L, no O; but the car has O/D. > > > > Is it possible it came through this way, or did someone replace the plate > and leave off the O ?? > > It seems that CC54740 should have been built before October of 70. > > Al > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > 1971 tr6 003.jpg] > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 15:09:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DA642A40 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.81.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7811140439 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (67-42-131-113.albq.qwest.net [67.42.131.113]) by st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.04(7.0.4.27.3) 64bit (built Mar 7 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MPF00FS1JZ3YW00@st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:06:41 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-04_07:2013-07-04,2013-07-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1307040189 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: James TenCate Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:06:40 -0600 Subject: [TR] that Stag in Albuquerque New Mexico... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There's a Triumph Stag for sale in Albuquerque, hasn't been very well publicized yet. A few of you wanted me to drive down and have a look at it and take photos. I did and uploaded them to a TWOA webpage for you to look at last night. This one was/is a restoration project (among about 12 others, the guy ran a British car shop). He recently retired (that's him in the photo) and the new owners asked him to "move" all his project cars and he decided to sell them all. This Stag project is one of them. He extracted it and had it towed to where it sits now. Two tires are flat, they're not sitting in quicksand :-) Pass this along to whomever you might think would be interested. It's a New Mexico car, NO rust, lots and lots and lots of "protective" sand on and in everything though. No, this part of Albuquerque hardly ever gets rain, only those of us in the mountains, the "high" desert, get afternoon thunderstorms. This car is in a real desert. Trivia: this car sits within sight of the outdoor studio where the recent Lone Ranger movie was shot. No, it's not like being in a Lady Gaga music video or anything but that was kind of interesting to see. Other trivia: Terry, the guy who owns it (you can see him in some of the photos) drives a Saab 95, his mechanic drives a Saab 93 FWIW... I know there are some Saab fanatics lurking among us too :-) http://www.triumphwedgeowners.org/abq73stag.html Jim TenCate triumphwedgeowners.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 16:30:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3358442ADE for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6AB4041B for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.19] helo=mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uus2M-0001lu-7K for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:30:02 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan19.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uus2L-00021W-E8; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:30:01 -0400 Received: from webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.2]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id wNW11l00B02gC1E01NW14s; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:30:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=7GWfSFLY0iQA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=jrGsiyLw1k0A:10 a=OQRENRCZo6FeEGylfX4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dv0r53mSTk2e8KAhgMvRMg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Uus2C-0004Iw-R4; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:29:52 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:29:52 -0400 References: <909BFEF3DC8A412CA3F917A37C48A4F0@Datsun> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:29:52 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Dave" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] gas tank removal tr3b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You will have to take off the interior's back panel as well as the trunk panel. The fuel tank straps need to be unbolted both at the front and rear of the tank. Access to the fuel gauge sender will be easier too. A far as I can remember, the inerior panel is only held by screws at the bottom. The top edge slips into clips under the capping. > can I take it out through the trunk? or do I have to remove the rear > panel, > etc? and if so, what else is holding the rear panel in? > > thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 17:45:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0998B42B12 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D5C40043 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:45:01 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=etz5-elFEMMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=qemQRVoy8pIA:10 a=osbiPEt9sDuf9qzSe-gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XMFZuq_v-ksA:10 a=mL7LuUZ8sxsA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5E/BA-05415-BF806D15; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:45:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:45:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac544V6T4z/Zw0ZuSj62qQVlK6dW+gACiyLwAAkZtSA= Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So they built at least 3370 cars in October 1970?????? > Something smells funny. Ever notice how each year, you can find next year's model on the dealer's lot starting in September or so? Even for cars 'built' in the US. Now 'funny' is the Sports 6 I used to have, which was built in 1963, but sold new as a 1965 model. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 18:47:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A87542AF4 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9633A4041C for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 38F0170054467; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.65]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 02441E000081; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) References: <5E.BA.05415.BF806D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.141.15 by webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:32:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:32:07 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1372984328; bh=+loklzGe/kWLqmEQD3aeu26cQZEIKG2UdJUnkDvLG+M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QzeGmImljk0cMNpd3MqZAy4G1vPX3tKwdQ2C9hmJklqZWO2z8+dPoKj9MlP4T0GYd N5+o8PWGcB0wKkH6GSh6TBSDbRIjZE7WBwp0mW1alTsJ+kIt0tvfIdl9nrqXbBh/Be 4SeXGlKoAVTuRg93Bc6S6i5KyzneF1oWPzCEucLU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51d614081efd Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, "funny" thing about those Sports 6 cars; they didn't sell all that quickly in some areas, hence some being first "titled" two years later! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: triumphs Sent: Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Now 'funny' is the Sports 6 I used to have, which was built in 1963, butsold new as a 1965 model. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 19:55:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C61942AF4 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 19:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41544041C for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 19:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ThePC (ool-457eebd9.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.235.217]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MPF00L1XXC3FO60@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:55:11 -0400 From: Bob To: 'Joe Curry' , triumphs@autox.team.net Thread-index: Ac544V6T4z/Zw0ZuSj62qQVlK6dW+gACiyLwAAFFKiAADD8T0A== References: Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? (1971 TR6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, You could be right. We need more folks with 1971 year and BMIHT Certificates to chime in here. What dates do they have? I don't know production numbers for 1970 and 1971. I read somewhere that specs for 1970 and 1971 TR6 were exactly the same, but? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 3:58 PM To: 'Bob'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Build date question?? I am not specifically familiar with the TR6 plate issues, but relating to Spitfire commission plates, those dates are typically referring to the date the model specification went into effect and not the actual build date. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Alan, I have CC58110L. Built 28Oct70. Car was sold in Sept 1971 as a 1971, I have the sell ID plate and Heritage Certificate.. So they built at least 3370 cars in October 1970?????? Something smells funny. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:41:04 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Build date question Message-ID: Yesterday, I bought a 71 TR6, at least according to the title. My friend is puzzled by the build date. The vin plate on the door says it was built in Oct of 1970 and he's puzzled by the vin CC54740 LO. The title say CC54740 LO, the plate on the windshield says the same , but the plate on the B post is just CC54740 L, no O; but the car has O/D. Is it possible it came through this way, or did someone replace the plate and leave off the O ?? It seems that CC54740 should have been built before October of 70. Al ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 08:03:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B751540424 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA2540405 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AA9057005F7DB; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.133]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6B1C8E000087; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373032632; bh=tb/tsssO9etfbUo58F7sGMOWVCvQHEMYv7rOle1l/EM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OI0WjaNuMqvMpkSXr/t1OuBEWRQz6sduocqaA2ugTY1ggCEAkKYRhIL32QwU7pOcE p9nAchbVnzVJETSZGYbYW0/0HiK3VcMrpcGut9rBVdNxmLnqfIeSK85hWNqkYgU6Kh Mrx8dkAciVxOMQYfy86HjDm2UdMter91Cb/QM510= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51d6d0b8365f Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, That's the best example of how crazy titling a Triumph can be! It beats my TR6 which was built on July 5, 1976, but not shipped to the USA until December, 1976, and not sold until April, 1977.....amazing....how did Brit Leyland make any money leaving products laying around the docks for so long!!?? Geez, by the time the first owner bought the car, the seals had already started to dry rot from nonuse. I guess it was a good thing that Triumph wasn't building TR6s at that point or the DOT would have called it a 1977 TR7....that would have raised a few eyebrows! Chip In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:45:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: Now 'funny' is the Sports 6 I used to have, which was built in 1963, but sold new as a 1965 model. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 09:07:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168B940437 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1070940408 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130705150731.YJGJ6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:07:31 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id wf7X1l00D33eLpB05f7XJj; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 11:07:31 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=wMxXYAdCygIA:10 a=GScivPcT2BTugz0lnRsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=eJTpmj0WiYUA:10 a=Uyxzc-pV_DcA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 11:07:35 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: *Triumphs List References: <8D0465B33288CBB-1050-77AA2@webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] VIR Oak Tree Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/3/2013 10:46 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > I will miss that tree. Well, that's the point, innit? Wouldn't be much fun if you hit it... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 12:11:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1904040531 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3542640411 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170019pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MPH00HE867VTD60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:04:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vms170019 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:04:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:04:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if 165/80R15s are included. Prices below include s/h & mount Bal: Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the Michelin & Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of kumho is local dealer) Any input? Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 12:29:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF11E40519 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D972403ED for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so2048618veb.17 for ; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 11:29:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VUc/cs5wlkV2sH/mnMnrtmLGLfKHK23MmBkfgFeONOw=; b=uP6XgyXiUhcnwxGVQtYEKEG4s8041mIlMY0hrz2LEzHXXRan93CYY114mSTMRCQRjD KBrRwKcCfYVlVpQllkH/A89tPj9q792oUKnQpZjtu94D/SlelRySqlmYX3V1F1CR0G8S TkqamRWV5t8PZw9s3POfk8NLhFYHWeMuhLgNx9el5PV7wYZG83xNiI6ZBeROA8y8Ssop uUIEfr9ligXOogfBvRzXSQ7VnwiH5oKxxM+ryRk5LYmrcMCdJKg2eHs4SGNVWMhSx3pu y6QxEhdYlCnb/ry1QcRGFhyzLaug41/dkM65F+jACLpCtaX9TT0eUXfcr14N3yfbBXue F9kg== Fri, 05 Jul 2013 11:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:29:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <28263498.940775.1373047483242.JavaMail.root@vms170019> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:29:29 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Carl TR Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my opinion, at 9 years old tires are nearing the end of their useful life irrespective of appearance or the conditions under which they were stored. I currently have the Nexens on the TR3A and the Kuhmos on the TR4 -- of those 2, I prefer the Nexens (looks, balanced better, good ride). Nexen SB 802 The Vred Sprints are an excellent choice -- I have the 185/15s in those on another car. Geo On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 > years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been > 'garaged' the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal > deteriation? I don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at > highway speed. > > If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if > 165/80R15s are included. > > Prices below include s/h & mount Bal: > Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) > Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) > Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) > Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) > Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) > Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) > > BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww > Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) > > Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) > > > Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? > All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the > Michelin & Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. > > I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of > kumho is local dealer) > > > Any input? > > Carl > 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO > mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 13:10:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A930E40519 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E84440403 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm31.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 19:02:39 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.214] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 19:02:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 19:02:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373050959; bh=VdD7i2kdfwQXgYMPdJdBq4bHApxpoEXNwedeYhELFjw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=gw/UmJARD+zXrXjaUKqi0kJWrxDPMTrHRkkIo2NWoMXQuETMacMD6qkSwFjLoxKfbVz0706U/1jdOWqfgU3JDbkPqA/XSzFijOhOCDJjz4NHQznh0r0KDnIV2beTpvzQojqigWBvXpWNHiXEx1x40koxWCC5Vz/cggrRBkC+hPY= iho9V8n9Ecc6LWknZm0Uqz_hGBhEK_3Ey.qtUKrJoKyVsC8tfK1NouKI_4zX jskc.jDKkxUEJgSovyLFkDgic_hOpQuRH6A.XWQ2qs3bH4XWuT.RSZdQwX_F J993q4TpPofqyFz7vaE0KJhErvGUF1MsuHMjyxZJI89YRj9cVhlF5gKbQp_8 c9XWMegAEb26kymuMGTcGT8.WKOAPC5w3sVoysVQbGbLTxKfEVOZ39hyog6S WQh2siPJA8FRbO3F51DQPLV3fJ3MxXMCVAwGSJ0Dgqq1AGr5QIyJ4AK3811l q9fLVmjwKZEUntRb6ChL92MmZR4SLAQeIm9rPIuESl5OAx2rUKUrjfBa_CLu lNpCS7oFYzVk7N8n14ofWwINlSOqjX7l.qVmEIBGG96xueEMMf5_zQpQ1CVI X8easAMWWgd69POjVXy9lvO9t0387QcVw2.rZoc0XtUT3x02SOnJllG0zHXD R9W8DIZuAIwk7zETdRxpuojLMS2W98ELk5AcXzMv.FMt4OiVWCcrgPIvxjnc pcoNa.QgUe2mzdm3rPW3Se.86ppx1SGImXYnccK0sfQ5H5VL_uSsZ0iVWfE5 T5QQ86A-- smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2013 19:02:39 +0000 UTC References: <28263498.940775.1373047483242.JavaMail.root@vms170019> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:02:35 -0500 To: Carl TR Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been running NanKang on my TR3 for the past five years, very satisfied. The proper term for those 'new' nine year old tires, Parade Tires. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. > > If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if 165/80R15s are included. > > Prices below include s/h & mount Bal: > Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) > Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) > Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) > Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) > Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) > Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) > > BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww > Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) > > Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) > > > Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? > All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the Michelin & Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. > > I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of kumho is local dealer) > > > Any input? > > Carl > 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO > mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 15:13:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC5740451 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2008140411 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4A66E7004FE9E for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 016FDE000085 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:01:35 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373058096; bh=ien+9TPd7CaP1PM8yjICSno/xL0wGZ5tFSGMZzPfefE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fLB633ovpl48XJtZdQajh1GJlo8G5kOclMRpwI0OvRfHNOP8KbwHhsuCqXvOSWfC7 kP/LUIX2mDYQT3HvsR1Q98/izpTmAWHmb7btcDdpCfM7tCTxjk1Xa/LDfEuTo+EWLl aGgPRKC6jnkzLLVzJpkBFFnlMOfBt1GDulGNtQ/Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b51d7342f73a1 Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Where are you finding all these? Coker has nothing, Tire Rack only has one (Classic 165/80R15 (China) $68 each plus shipping, mounting and balancing) Tires can deteriorate from exposure to UV but they also can deteriorate from exposure to ozone so running old tires means you're playing the odds even if the car has been garaged. What do you plan to do with the car? If you are like me you will be replacing them from dry rot long before they wear out. That's what I'm facing at the moment. My tires are 15 years old (at least) (not to worry, it has been off the road for the last 7) and they still have most of the tread left. The heat rating is a measure of how well the tire will handle the heat from operating at high speeds. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48 BTW, Tire Rack also has a BF Goodrich 155/80R15 at $86 each Dave In a message dated 7/5/2013 1:11:06 PM Central Daylight Time, cfmtr3a@verizon.net writes: > Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 > years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' > the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I > don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. > > If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if > 165/80R15s are included. > > Prices below include s/h &mount Bal: > Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) > Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) > Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) > Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) > Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) > Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) > > BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww > Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) > > Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) > > > Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? > All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the > Michelin &Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. > > I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of > kumho is local dealer) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 16:04:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF10403EE for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 16:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-02-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35758403C6 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 16:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.117]) by p3plwbeout06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id wm4A1l0012Y8iQZ01m4A4x; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 15:04:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 17457 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jul 2013 22:04:10 -0000 To: Dave1massey@cs.com From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 15:04:09 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI 24737 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Discount tire has some. I dont know if they do online; there are several stores around me. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TR] tire question From: Dave1massey@cs.com Date: Jul 5, 2013 4:13 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net CC: Where are you finding all these? Coker has nothing, Tire Rack only has one (Classic 165/80R15 (China) $68 each plus shipping, mounting and balancing) Tires can deteriorate from exposure to UV but they also can deteriorate from exposure to ozone so running old tires means you're playing the odds even if the car has been garaged. What do you plan to do with the car? If you are like me you will be replacing them from dry rot long before they wear out. That's what I'm facing at the moment. My tires are 15 years old (at least) (not to worry, it has been off the road for the last 7) and they still have most of the tread left. The heat rating is a measure of how well the tire will handle the heat from operating at high speeds. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48 BTW, Tire Rack also has a BF Goodrich 155/80R15 at $86 each Dave In a message dated 7/5/2013 1:11:06 PM Central Daylight Time, cfmtr3a@verizon.net writes: > Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 > years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' > the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I > don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. > > If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if > 165/80R15s are included. > > Prices below include s/h &mount Bal: > Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) > Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) > Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) > Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) > Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) > Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) > > BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww > Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) > > Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) > > > Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? > All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the > Michelin &Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. > > I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of > kumho is local dealer) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 18:24:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690324044C for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BE040403 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W47 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:16:42 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:16:41 -0400 FILETIME=[176A34E0:01CE79DE] Subject: [TR] Convex Mirrors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been on a quest for 4-1/2 inch convex bullet mirrors. I came up with a solutions that worked for me. Somebody on the list wanted to know if I found something and I don't recall who it was, sorry. first I purchased a new mirror from Summit racing for $34. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/upd-s1402/overview/ Then I went to NAPA and purchased a 5 inch convex mirror for $12, #R505220. Then I went to Al's auto glass in Elyria Ohio and for $25 he removed the 5 inch glass out of the NAPA mirror, cut it down to 4-1/2 inches and glued it onto the face of the Summit mirror. Looks like it was supposed to be there. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 19:23:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457144044B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB29403D4 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130706012314.DEUK24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11>; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:23:14 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id wpPE1l00T3enFnk05pPENa; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:23:14 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=3HFOiJwx3V0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zhfvAXqlJewV8kqA7XYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=f11Q_CvFJXMA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Carl TR'" , References: <28263498.940775.1373047483242.JavaMail.root@vms170019> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:23:13 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJEKQgRlqm/UUDPzejbKL0IFt/Z1phrev4g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Our locally owned and operated tire store installed Kelly "Explorer Plus" P205/65 R15 on our TR6. They are made in the USA and were relatively inexpensive. I don't know if that tire is available in a smaller size for TR3's. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:05 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tire question Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if 165/80R15s are included. Prices below include s/h & mount Bal: Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the Michelin & Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of kumho is local dealer) Any input? Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 19:26:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F1D40454 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FE8403EE for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:26:06 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=hEypbfMGRDsA:10 a=15alCk1tAAAA:20 a=_jnUg2gwpE9_l6doOQ8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8tEJcvzVSfEA:10 a=ddZT45GQ4RAA:10 a=XCaJDnEBMS8A:10 a=KR5XufmuQXoA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 76/17-14128-C2277D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 01:26:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:26:18 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac553yvPevoi8h6SRgu+e6F2g217JwACHXag Subject: Re: [TR] Convex Mirrors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, someone's bound to ask; might as well be me. How is that better than just buying a convex bullet mirror? http://goo.gl/TsJSk -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 19:43:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC7840403 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AF5403EE for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:43:26 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=hEypbfMGRDsA:10 a=15alCk1tAAAA:20 a=4DJJkE1DNq-E4ip5a9UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8tEJcvzVSfEA:10 a=0mw397K51IQA:10 a=DJUtetHuUpMA:10 a=mNGws0QvShdY7qqo:21 a=TiIg78havoE4vLOn:21 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:57433] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A4/12-06197-D3677D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 01:43:25 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: References: <76.17.14128.C2277D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:43:25 -0700 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac553yvPevoi8h6SRgu+e6F2g217JwACHXagAACDm5A= Subject: Re: [TR] Convex Mirrors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Because 95 MM is the typical 3.5 inch mirror. They're everywhere. Marty is looking for a 4.5 inch mirror that gives a much better rear view. Bigger is better, just watch the AT&T commercials. > > Ok, someone's bound to ask; might as well be me. How is that better > than just buying a convex bullet mirror? > > http://goo.gl/TsJSk > > -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 19:53:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC24540518 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88076403EE for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:51:45 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=hEypbfMGRDsA:10 a=ZXHGN3243CsRg6w49GcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cxEGt0h-GKsA:10 a=abVB8mpgG90A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/42-15971-03877D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 01:51:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:51:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac553yvPevoi8h6SRgu+e6F2g217JwACHXagAACDm5AAAGGZYA== Subject: Re: [TR] Convex Mirrors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Marty is looking for a 4.5 inch mirror that gives > a much better rear view. Ah, I see. Thanks, John (& Marty) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 19:54:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316184044F for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F634044B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id p58so2337983wes.40 for ; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IsWnZEBrjdIcpN4kyXTFMvCPpsK9jQcSha5UiivKk2Q=; b=lA9GV6vop/G6yKVea3x86+2W/sbVUi7CY6lGFYvwwOHTdWUi9HWDLaMvbiBPYAeMco 9eTFcelUts90eru0BpZgSnhiqO0KO+mgGkipE6De8h4iTKEAHJ0BULvqyxp/yzOZSwvH 6BW8qV4jA4641Vb20dWvScu4qFcHnjfu5gJd45uLfTU7zVAiRO60kGukadBy0rzfPkcx r2ZQhf1pyHxfuwY7mgkzIpO+MclV829Z3LrPJSpRpoiUMiJ4tyJ3EaQEpj2MhELcfJmw 7RqHg/2lYeSxGVLJOTpfx2/yaCADD77F58FQ+HxmUndis9OdTgORs8lFIZalMQEyqiPn knCQ== bv8mr24580754wib.15.1373075575280; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.158.136 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:52:55 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Car laundering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just look how a car can improve as some of the details about how it came to be are lost. >From this: http://www.nickwhalesportscarsdirect.co.uk/1955-triumph-tr2-php-727 To this: http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/carlistings/1954-tr2/ Seems to me #46k ($65.5k) is more than ALL the money. The list of things "wrong" with it would fill a page. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 21:27:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C854042D for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop1.greatbasin.net (pop103.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A198403EE for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1b-182.gbis.net [207.228.61.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop1.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r663QquY028159 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:26:52 -0700 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:26:48 -0700 Subject: [TR] Spa Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just for fun: bRustyb went from 52d at the start to end at 11th. Fast, well driven car (note the lacey bonnet.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlsuhiQRD4I And a TR4 with overdrive. The speedometer is kph not mph. Itbs not THAT fast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWhX03q-u6o Some other TR stuff on the facebook page. None of this Ibve seen before; sorry if itbs old news. Skip Gurnee 64 TR4, 65TR4A, et.al. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 05:11:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F8B4298E for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 05:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB034298E for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 05:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPI00148HDENL90@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 06:03:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'Alex&Janet Thomson'" , References: <28263498.940775.1373047483242.JavaMail.root@vms170019> <004401ce79e7$62a10890$27e319b0$@charter.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:03:13 -0400 Thread-index: AQJEKQgRlqm/UUDPzejbKL0IFt/Z1gJBHlCFmFoVh7A= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Kelly doesn't offer anything in the 165 (or 175) -15 range. Thanks for the suggestion. C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex&Janet Thomson Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 9:23 PM To: 'Carl TR'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Our locally owned and operated tire store installed Kelly "Explorer Plus" P205/65 R15 on our TR6. They are made in the USA and were relatively inexpensive. I don't know if that tire is available in a smaller size for TR3's. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:05 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tire question Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if 165/80R15s are included. Prices below include s/h & mount Bal: Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) Nexen SB802 @ $82 380AB (also Taiwan) Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) Kumho Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) Firestone F560 @$114 280A? (165-15) Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww Michelin XZX @ $242 no ratings (165-15) Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except the Michelin & Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of kumho is local dealer) Any input? Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 05:59:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4000403D3 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 05:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A3F40078 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 05:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r11so2673690lbv.27 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eaLARBCWiVDhsNt+T7LKZq5go+Dd3xafL2K18DhYORI=; b=KYfVKUVMJ314SytR7h8c+zMkyGz9MScO0DJlaygEneq4dguK3UWh4UE7MzjaSUHDHt fxb+Y2hzF3J5llC1cHQMh6zf5DAJ9TQqQreYyWZ4Dedy3pGfhS3wOuUmqMcVLkghv0Ta k4O+pc9aQsyZU5sNoeKDncGiRdIWVxYXE3QubCOuqwslgDvE+RmB0Q2IIMTJvtpm9I1P R4nPU23ViGO2k5koltrYkmcDvQExdXoJVjCmAiuBnjCg9xdwwXvY0SLBxVvAgbQ8WvX2 BV29GFfNiOlWwVMmN2BMuyJ1Wu+eTecDZPPSy6gF6ZqV2r2BTE9tadgbjD4oZsWXv9i3 L6Pg== Sat, 06 Jul 2013 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <28263498.940775.1373047483242.JavaMail.root@vms170019> <004401ce79e7$62a10890$27e319b0$@charter.net> <001801ce7a38$696f4460$3c4dcd20$@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 07:59:11 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net About 3 months ago, i was looking for 165/80r15 tires and it was slim pickings and no local stock of any. Today, local discount tire has kumbo in stock and wallmart has nexen. The guy at discount tire said kumbo makes only one or two production runs a year in this size. I'm going with the kumbo for the tr4 , i have them on the tr2 and rides well and is fun at the autocross. The nexens are at least 10 bucks cheaper per tire. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 06:31:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24E4403C5 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 06:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62BE40358 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 06:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id o10so2656561lbi.39 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e0OhUJj5nwheugzFjcBWMVhBCUHYPu24NPGDzGPE3GY=; b=RHnWzXCVA4KKpmb/0WgTIQtLaXpAMRGgPUYW7+fsvptHZeoKUoSPM3ZfzlcSnrktCX 5YfMbrV63u3rjl0J5Q8tXOOEmWibhb8j8kJf9kt3DQsl6OaA5Hb++Xs2p/daLVuk49kS DDEzMPCJXNV2NIB2obVAQd4nwMbiTiB1yVsHao+O8CxP5s1kK7zQz2oa73pamZqyGG20 4PFcGP0dm1bYER2aw/Tz9KDTpiOaAB1eikEBNNkyzXyJYBhLWxsx0JiBbx27Nrnj6B+i OFbpzf5eLxgTwKeGbT45OgdbUfgnMHVuN/uuLFZV1SLwjDZYgZ1YBxTrBtWnXzqpCe4T jEFw== zr4mr7301010lbb.96.1373113852000; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 05:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 05:30:51 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:30:51 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Car laundering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I like the hood and trunk locks better than original on my tr2. I always worry one of the hood catches will fail. I've used a screwdriver jammed in the budget lock more than a few times to open the unlocked trunk. I'd have to fix that interior, though. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 07:30:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01D2403B9 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 07:30:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F2540382 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 07:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A2AC3700000A9; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.133]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 76D08E000081; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:30:44 -0400 (EDT) To: flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373117444; bh=QVf7iMYP/w/PQslTyYuASIKxjPARxScEQnViPBSZYAE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mDAmytU/iYUCfQUnB66I3bT2sEwFNegP3cAYuzlMicZYC54NPadSPJtrnVPgUtYIU TxefmiFNsS/37r7goqPYOaAu2IME45Ka6/jb6I0qYBGoBbjc5+ZHS/ky8zMuRMfu3l 8LRecAsRuCBCn42hTRz9woywxl1PMwzH+Ul7geFU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e51d81c0426ee Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, Maybe a lot of what you provided here helps explain why dealerships selling Triumphs back in the 60's and 70's around where I grew up in southeastern Pennsylvania also sold other makes of vehicles....it was the only way to assure enough steady cash flow. The dealer that I bought my 1969 TR6 from (new in Feb, 1969), also sold Volvos. He continued to sell Volvos long after he stopped selling Triumphs. Some dealers also held franchises for other British cars as well..i.e., MG, AH, Jaguar but I can't think of any dealership selling Triumphs exclusively. chip In a message dated 7/5/2013 6:04:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: Chip Krout wrote: It beats my TR6 which was built on July 5, 1976, but not shipped to the USA until December, 1976, and not sold until April, 1977.....amazing....how did Brit Leyland make any money leaving products laying around the docks for so long!!?? Geez, by the time the first owner bought the car, the seals had already started to dry rot from nonuse. Chip To understand the reasons why requires a knowledge of international banking. All exports in those days - as well as today - are/were paid for using a document called a Confirmed Irrevocable Letter of Credit. Its a means of ensuring the buyer doesn't pay until the car is on its way and the seller is guaranteed his money. The LC is is valid for a relatively short time - usually just a few weeks - and can be drawn down (cashed) only when the car is loaded on a vessel and the bank is presented with the shipping documents and invoice within that time frame. Enter stage left, the British Trade Unions who, more often than not in those days were on strike - ergo no cars got made. Strike ends and production re-starts and by the time the car is finished (maybe with another strike or two for good measure) the Letter of Credit has expired so car can't be paid for and so it can't be shipped until another Letter of Credit is opened. This takes an inordinately long time and isn't cheap. Too often, we were left with the option of "do we make the car when another LC arrives or do we go ahead so that when it does arrive, the car can go straight away?" Throw into this heady mix, the volatility of exchange rates because you'll either make a fortune or lose your shirt. The bottom line was that BL didn't make much money because too much working capital was tied up in stocks wanted by the customer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 07:40:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50E240396 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05DA40382 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 07:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x0qc1l0020QuhwU581g9Ut; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:40:09 +0000 Received: from [10.238.20.151] ([174.250.240.52]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x1fy1l00218Y4TS3N1g03c; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:40:07 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?RG9uIEhpc2NvY2s=?=" ,"Triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:40:07 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1373118009; bh=1ONjnVGCnJ0TovSCxnTglLWvnlUHFgV3fKnj2H9Vnf8=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YIUF0uXGSN0mWvqj5eLqAiCsx5fY6wAS6zqRSlTI1kX2MK5oTLWAH8hfC5KW5c81Q dCIy7CpoldbS9HMItthk+oocoVjofHI7cCtltg1g+GXZOtTYsDV8Y0EX1ezeW3U7KR I3tFP5KhydFai3v6Qz/b6Z7SU00ZsXX/xTXfnHGx1/oSexPafFsdQ7uSKOIkfvFzEL 6gGrkp6xi3zdMan/NwYU7pkhh6/NIG61sgo3V9j/LxeU5nbZMqDJWZHjfTe/yZSuAU c4k1hIcH22cirOTIoiuQYM3qWyC8JVDs7nz7k+rvJ9K2Px4erW+krZOidkcgo3mubA O/wgzWxWHZYtA== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Car_laundering?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There's a butt for every seat. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Don Hiscock" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] Car laundering Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:52 pm Just look how a car can improve as some of the details about how it came to be are lost. >From this: http://www.nickwhalesportscarsdirect.co.uk/1955-triumph-tr2-php-727 To this: http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/carlistings/1954-tr2/ Seems to me #46k ($65.5k) is more than ALL the money. The list of things "wrong" with it would fill a page. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 08:15:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612734039F for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855EE40355 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id kq13so2987009pab.25 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:15:02 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bCGWpcBVW3oywbv+7YrBVHaTOgw+UMvEv81vLBdFOig=; b=FoV0+bwSXe7DTk4y6AE3jqdKRSoIhYmTUjO20VTHWMVl/cjPGjXNnW7dAd2H3xBKlt E/BXi8QWNsMaCZd9GET5IVRf4hibikbDqGds1kH/4WHsW8kBpwqhGk0IwvtIEZ27NDWp xGVqcxoxJrBIEviUbZwophBr3Y7DlGpjUz/KlQYkv3USicOOvwOP6twuh4V+jnUPlRqR UKSrkND+UqHtM7lk2qLPdZ8hOwBTwO5gZXVq3lwvPIoph8k4Lpp6BbfHBQlA+kCjLX6E 5PQYkNItlMF7r6iBpfqIwTnGmPPa2Z7zb9k7njgpylwpB1I/J+GLHb+2nCjfyxtZi2we KPWQ== pm6mr13778144pbc.154.1373120102306; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-57-249.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.57.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sq5sm13628043pab.11.2013.07.06.07.15.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:14:59 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <75.1A.05415.764B5D15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for a voltage gauge replacment on TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/4/13 10:44 AM, Randall wrote: >> I am considering replacing my amp guage with a voltage guage > If the reason is that you are installing an alternator that exceeds the > capacity of the stock ammeter; may I suggest keeping the ammeter and adding > a shunt to recalibrate it? You may, but I do not think it is the best solution. This is one of those very rare instances where I have to disagree with Randall. I believe that a voltmeter can tell you more about the health of your electrical system and if it is being overloaded than an ammeter can. An ammeter will tell you if the current is flowing into the battery or out of the battery and how much. The small car ammeters are mostly gross indicators and do not read small amounts of current flow well. When I moved from Seattle to Monterey I drove my 1968 Land Rover along the coastal route. It was a cold stormy trip down the coast. I had the headlamps on, the windscreen wipers on and the heater on high all day. The ammeter looked fine but next morning my battery was too low to start the engine and I needed to use the hand crank instead of the starter motor. The electrical drain was just a little more than the generator could produce. Not enough to cause a noticeable deflection in the ammeter but enough to slowly drain the battery. A voltmeter would have caught the overloading right away. A voltmeter will tell you when you generator/alternator is not healthy because the voltage will read lower. It will catch worn brushes and overloaded circuits. It can catch things like corroded poor connections that reduce the voltage in the system. Right now the alternator is going out in my 1960 Land Rover. The voltage is lower than normal but there is still enough to keep the battery charged. I check the electrical connections because corroded connections can cause low voltage. They are fine. I'm keeping a close eye on the voltmeter to determine when I need to change the alternator. An ammeter would never catch this until the alternator completely failed. If the alternator voltage drops another 2 volts it will not be able to keep the battery fully charged. An ammeter would not catch a failure mode that doesn't quite keep the battery fully charged. Both my Land Rover and my TR3 have Lucas voltmeters. Last time I looked they were still available new. With the TR3 I swapped the bezel ring and the curved lens from the ammeter to the voltmeter. I would never go back to an ammeter again just because a voltmeter can tell you so much more about the health of your electrical system. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 08:21:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A472403BA for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FC440356 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r66EKm24022347 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id CAD48351 (AUTH tws@bright.net) for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 10:20:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:21:02 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: refid=str=0001.0A020201.51D827C0.0106, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2013-04-19 10:07:54, mode=single engine Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello list. With all the "build date" discussion, here is what really happened in the '60's at the dealer level. We were a BMC/Standard Triumph/Rootes dealer. Through 1967, at teh end of teh calendar year we were allowed to send back the CO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) to the appropriate mfg. They would reissue an new CO shwoing the current calendar year. Starting in 1968 with the advent of all the US laws on emissions, safety and theft - think locking ignition w/dead bolt. VIN visible from outside the car, etc. - we could no longer do this. But this is how "year of mfg" and year of car by title varied. Example, it's the first week of 1965. We send all gthe CCO's back to tghe appropriate mfg. A bit later in the month, the '64 TR4 has become a '65. And if it was a real dog (color, equipment, interior) it was possible for the '64, now '65 to become a '66 12 months later. Ted On 7/5/2013 9:57 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > Randall, > > That's the best example of how crazy titling a Triumph can be! > > It beats my TR6 which was built on July 5, 1976, but not shipped to the USA > until December, 1976, and not sold until April, 1977.....amazing....how > did Brit Leyland make any money leaving products laying around the docks for > so long!!?? Geez, by the time the first owner bought the car, the seals > had already started to dry rot from nonuse. > > I guess it was a good thing that Triumph wasn't building TR6s at that > point or the DOT would have called it a 1977 TR7....that would have raised a few > eyebrows! > > Chip > > > In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:45:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: > > Now 'funny' is the Sports 6 I used to have, which was built in 1963, but > sold new as a 1965 model. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 08:35:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE2C403B1 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B081540381 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [173.53.83.198]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPI00FW9R748330@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:35:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:35:27 -0400 References: <51D827CE.7030206@bright.net> To: Ted Schumacher Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Explains how my 60 TR3A is titled a 1962 in the state of Virginia. TS 69056 L Dean On Jul 6, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ted Schumacher wrote: > Hello list. With all the "build date" discussion, here is what really happened in the '60's at the dealer level. We were a BMC/Standard Triumph/Rootes dealer. Through 1967, at teh end of teh calendar year we were allowed to send back the CO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) to the appropriate mfg. They would reissue an new CO shwoing the current calendar year. Starting in 1968 with the advent of all the US laws on emissions, safety and theft - think locking ignition w/dead bolt. VIN visible from outside the car, etc. - we could no longer do this. But this is how "year of mfg" and year of car by title varied. Example, it's the first week of 1965. We send all gthe CCO's back to tghe appropriate mfg. A bit later in the month, the '64 TR4 has become a '65. And if it was a real dog (color, equipment, interior) it was possible for the '64, now '65 to become a '66 12 months later. Ted > > > On 7/5/2013 9:57 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: >> Randall, >> That's the best example of how crazy titling a Triumph can be! >> It beats my TR6 which was built on July 5, 1976, but not shipped to the USA >> until December, 1976, and not sold until April, 1977.....amazing....how >> did Brit Leyland make any money leaving products laying around the docks for >> so long!!?? Geez, by the time the first owner bought the car, the seals >> had already started to dry rot from nonuse. >> I guess it was a good thing that Triumph wasn't building TR6s at that >> point or the DOT would have called it a 1977 TR7....that would have raised a few >> eyebrows! >> Chip >> In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:45:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: >> >> Now 'funny' is the Sports 6 I used to have, which was built in 1963, but >> sold new as a 1965 model. >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net >> >> > > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx@bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 09:02:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034DC403C6 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3F740358 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MPI00LE9SETK031@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:01:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'Dave Massey'" , "Triumph Mail List" References: <20130705150409.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.1c5aa42ddb.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <001e01ce79dd$8c45efd0$a4d1cf70$@verizon.net> <8D0485B5BD8B921-10F8-86785@webmail-d255.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:01:40 -0400 Thread-index: AQHpT6c8n2CD+8/rHD9u8GNF6GJL6AF0d0RnA3V9iq2Y+sM1UA== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.cokertire.com/tire-styles/165sr15-michelin-xzx.html http://www.cokertire.com/firestone-f560-165r15.html http://www.cokertire.com/vredestein-sprint-classic.html http://www.cokertire.com/brands/universal/universal-185hr15-redline.html the BF Goodrich were available when I checked last Wednesday but are not listed now. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL From: Dave Massey [mailto:dave1massey@cs.com] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 8:28 AM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net; dave@ranteer.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Coker? When I searched their site I found nothing in that size. They did have some nice 590x15 bias ply whitewalls though. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR That is where I found the Kumho's but none of the others. Nexen's are at The Tire Choice locally but that is not the price I listed. If I go that route, I'll work on them matching price. The last four in the list were at Coker. Talked with them today and they said at least the Firestone's & Michelin's were in stock. Federal's were online at Tire Easy or something like that. Talked with them and they couldn't guarantee that they were in stock (Amazon had at 7 in stock). Don't want to down size to the 155's Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Discount tire has some. I dont know if they do online; there are several stores around me. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TR] tire question Where are you finding all these? Coker has nothing, Tire Rack only has one (Classic 165/80R15 (China) $68 each plus shipping, mounting and balancing) Tires can deteriorate from exposure to UV but they also can deteriorate from exposure to ozone so running old tires means you're playing the odds even if the car has been garaged. What do you plan to do with the car? If you are like me you will be replacing them from dry rot long before they wear out. That's what I'm facing at the moment. My tires are 15 years old (at least) (not to worry, it has been off the road for the last 7) and they still have most of the tread left. The heat rating is a measure of how well the tire will handle the heat from operating at high speeds. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48 BTW, Tire Rack also has a BF Goodrich 155/80R15 at $86 each Dave In a message dated 7/5/2013 1:11:06 PM Central Daylight Time, cfmtr3a@verizon.net writes: > Boy can I taste it.... The tires on the car are still 'new' but are 9 > years old. Obviously I live in 'warmer' climate but they have been 'garaged' > the whole time. Should I be concerned about internal deteriation? I > don't expect to do anything but normal driving - some at highway speed. > > If I get new tires - there is limited availability in 165r15 even if > 165/80R15s are included. > > Prices below include s/h &mount Bal: > Nantang CX688 @$79 400AB (made in Tawiwan I think) Nexen SB802 @ $82 > 380AB (also Taiwan) Federal SS567 @$104 420AA (made in China) Kumho > Power Star 758 @ $105 400AB (local incl tax) Firestone F560 @$114 > 280A? (165-15) Vredesting Sprint @130 220AB (165-15) > > BFGoodrich WW @$170 580BB (165-15) has 3/4" ww Michelin XZX @ $242 no > ratings (165-15) > > Dunlop SP series no longer available. (that is what is on the car) > > > Does it make a difference whether a tires heat rating is an A or B? > All have a tread pattern with straight grooves around the tire except > the Michelin &Vredesting which have a squiggly 'S' pattern. > > I think I have narrowed it to nantang, federal or kumho (advantage of > kumho is local dealer) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 09:34:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2D4403BA for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC5140358 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:33:55 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=prP7Zy3OH0cA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=ImP5fmouTdIA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=4N6pkFmzgjBUoGX1HiUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4kVfEP6XtcoA:10 a=OH5OqtsweiMA:10 a=Kn0NyBusO7sThjl5k7oA:9 a=rxViH0_jym-rjT2-:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50164] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 53/0C-01476-0E838D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:33:52 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:38:17 -0400 Subject: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder if it is ever going to stop raining here in Cincinnati! I went down to the garage and shot some pictures of the TR4A with our new "vacation" camera and posted them on my webpage at the bottom of the "Final Assembly" page. You can really see the color of the paint in these. My old camera just didn't do the color justice.' Too rainy to do much else. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 11:07:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC084038B for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CD0403A8 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 17:06:06 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.64] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 17:06:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 17:06:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373130366; bh=W7BY8V5FzwiL6i3Ncn8rMdpdKELoij8/DK5o16Q9lIc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=EVB8+HmALBUM+rVQ6exAyAu4QhZWwynkUoFALYAvnogRtwCZHAbjCHIgwa/ZCDkJUvOV+nlnY2YeFKtwDp8ErSsOSEZkiyFyqTRCIw3NPi2t6KV06w8eN5ff54/XpBwu36jLkH3CnjySROE75/Aou4vKKjH9kxWx/nkfbStoxCU= ZKXMRFQoNE82SehUHOzNL0M3V6LRJ.ReA4sKvTFOIg0rszzGm9fjy158OKoD 2J.z4TT6kUFAEWQFbflUTQX6DEVLPlPtaLGfBqc3OUpe3sCwmnstxLq0TzPF Y5KIAhMyOU8yvAgmA_qIegRbcvjK2RfheTAIV2QcWAssSOsDhonHwTXhHDSh nWbsR_xbzFkqWQYa0.webzN_7yDKzKm3wk9RF35_dkcfQoIIKm7LGMmCEXm7 ZcTv5daynfns4OjU6GFzfZlEeaE2vsZr9qoyVILM6A7jsbxCfppuejKWA9PF bCE9FEqMvfrXbCOZ9.LWL0flyznVk5ilEj6HoaPhKzHqGChIANveuJi2j3_L orUoA7yKeuUuhblx6ULu30jGon7_PQUCn4UNHhRUiFA4lU4qM0Rw2xUzOWPX KlOcXeW6Ev1GSKvWuAll4ET0oHzPv1AHwlxl1cJBja9zDddZ2QIanJNI6oPn O5SdQ99YK3s7TXSBK26Xnl6LOxSW_x2Trg21DciZNzuGBO0MorgTICPleGIU l50Sd_INDbF4V3XTBMoG2B7DRUC8LutianUgLWgWoPTBKOqrRDN8wjcoimUV 0 smtp221.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jul 2013 17:06:06 +0000 UTC References: <7502CDB294DA4B0882D52EA4781A7465@DaveLaptop> From: WBEECH Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:06:05 -0500 To: Dave Connitt Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Send that rain on down to west Texas, we're dying down here. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "Dave Connitt" wrote: > I wonder if it is ever going to stop raining here in Cincinnati! > I went down to the garage and shot some pictures of the TR4A with our new > "vacation" camera and posted them on my webpage at the bottom of the "Final > Assembly" page. You can really see the color of the paint in these. My old > camera just didn't do the color justice.' > Too rainy to do much else. > > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 11:15:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5835E403D3 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2F64038B for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4507B700963C9; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.145]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 07891E000087; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:06:10 -0400 (EDT) To: dconnitt@fuse.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373130371; bh=ZubWi46omgOPK1UOdhEqt68L637/Jp0I8ygDe7o8ESI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cctQJpNioC5iYuedtNKouWbM/wkzD2Zc0hD1Tr3ET109Dsr0JDOeWOpIU0WthI8F3 g9aN0be1WJpHxqz/FsDfeH9jlDU5EdPydENDpltJhUQuxt1Z9sMKZkjyLyomGtFBKC mcGqDk6iActAuIWuwuVvoSTx/wfDitQERloK9I1o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951d84e833de4 Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, We're having "cabin fever - summer style" here in eastern PA but it's not rain! Three minutes outside (sun or shade) and the heat/humidity turns you into a giant sweat ball....it's got to be really tough for the guys down south to enjoy a ride in this kind of weather....at least we get a break 9 months out of the year:) In a message dated 7/6/2013 11:34:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dconnitt@fuse.net writes: I wonder if it is ever going to stop raining here in Cincinnati! I went down to the garage and shot some pictures of the TR4A with our new "vacation" camera and posted them on my webpage at the bottom of the "Final Assembly" page. You can really see the color of the paint in these. My old camera just didn't do the color justice.' Too rainy to do much else. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 11:41:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9527D403B2 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E5A40078 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:41:31 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=75docIim7FMA:10 a=YE48AFRwfdQA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=wVhorLUrDMgA:10 a=fxeXXMV8mFbpKO216gIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:39667] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 44/2E-06197-AC658D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:41:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:41:30 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, Same thing up here in CNY. Lots of flooding in the valleys. Many rivers and creeks have over flowed multiple times. It has rained pretty much every day since the start of the Memorial Day weekend. I havent had a Triumph out of the garage in over 3 weeks. With all this humidity, it is going to make our big race next weekend very hard on us old folk. I did 8 miles at 6 AM today and it just about killed me. It is a good thing there is free Saranac beer after the race! Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 12:04:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F8403B1 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C976E403B2 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0E22070079AEA; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (222.sub-70-193-18.myvzw.com [70.193.18.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7BD07E000090; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:59:47 -0400 (EDT) References: <7502CDB294DA4B0882D52EA4781A7465@DaveLaptop> From: Jack Mc Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:59:49 -0400 To: Dave Connitt x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373133587; bh=6AkV5YXFvkZDLXKN76yjwVmSxPZBzoSipadSyOCefB4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=pbThoBHA8IyssLkYnVHjVjyaSHsrq2fYm78MAWYP1oT4RIYxH5Kl/nxxB32XSk5xq G+dqLTHw/AVKCdsx5nSs3kwj+sJlm4Je+6ZfnhSc7HMNbM1KhwKGVK8Zwaf643+VJr w7w2IuSqpF0j5R5why96YFAwcmA7IuSi9pRFdOA0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290551d85b132c6e Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Everybody complains about the weather, nobody ever does anything about it. My wife was JUST complaining about all the rain were getting here in NC - hasn't been but a couple years since we had drought water use restrictions - I think I prefer too much rain to not enough - but I LIKE Autocrossing and racing in the rain Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2013, at 11:38 AM, "Dave Connitt" wrote: > I wonder if it is ever going to stop raining here in Cincinnati! > I went down to the garage and shot some pictures of the TR4A with our new > "vacation" camera and posted them on my webpage at the bottom of the "Final > Assembly" page. You can really see the color of the paint in these. My old > camera just didn't do the color justice.' > Too rainy to do much else. > > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a > > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 12:32:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7896E403B1 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB4E4035A for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id t12so2844963pdi.21 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UfoLimufkzklpVQjZbfIsit9YBFhGuTIFmA/1B/rtCg=; b=vMB/OPAUpaTe7nx6nK2k6A9hN84eb8ZiF7w80CU9cfadca2Y5pDVv0YKnbMNaxRfjF 4z0/dwzO2BWRsHuJ8aGXdr0P6n09DBX7qlAhTCHTQ+5wPYye3AByyE+eXvtIpABzfF/x MrMDef6+UAZfzvcqyEZ1PBZMdHns+Ifh9QdiF11wtdqY4oGaYtH7ksV8DiYmqPtlsobA zk9Wc4KTCNfRb6nJ5cZfLk64gqoFhP2IxniR9IL4XR1Ck3vEm3DvwMJ9jcuALIClO2l6 5DA2Y1Icr0ocuZ2+tzs8hoFSk6SAOr3L4JNVj8N/KtdH9oyKXHNmg8Wl7AAw3vbQwSg7 qDiw== ab10mr16409365pac.14.1373135542017; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-57-249.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.57.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wg6sm13450288pbc.3.2013.07.06.11.32.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:32:20 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <7502CDB294DA4B0882D52EA4781A7465@DaveLaptop> <387B5C70-6532-46CD-97D4-03D65CFECD24@flash.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/6/13 10:06 AM, WBEECH wrote: > Send that rain on down to west Texas, we're dying down here. If it wasn't up hill most of the way to the Rockys I would suggest a really big network of canals across the country like those imagined on Mars up to a couple decades ago. That way we could send water from where there is too much to where it is desperately needed. The forest around Flagstaff was tinder dry until last week. We have picked up about 2-1/2 inches of rain since then and have a 40% chance of rain both today & Sunday. We usually have a summer rainy season. Hope it is a good one this year as last winter's snow was a bit light. Thankfully Humidity is not an issue in Flagstaff and our all time recoded high is 97 degrees. Flagstaff is THE place in Arizona to go to get away from summer heat and almost no one has air conditioners in their house. On the other hand we are also the winter ski place to go in the state. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 14:13:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8C1403BA for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEFB40357 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x80f1l0021uE5Es5B8D7nm; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:13:07 +0000 Received: from [10.238.20.151] ([174.250.240.52]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x8Cw1l00X18Y4TS3c8Cz6B; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:13:05 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?VGVyaUFubiBKLiBXYWtlbWFu?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:13:05 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1373141587; bh=A0C3et69VGwpwhGNdm0DcFeo5gTrSp6ZB5dHVq1IzvM=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AJHTqwPoVE+v9seYDBkvW8LxfHUchIyPQ5hELGEngUOHHUG/NZJ1GNwfJmZ0tOzom ERFyFnI9nKlfx43L6TtOfXYPlCLp703kBSlm2R9e+RJeskeCVBIrckYllRpLlEGpMc muB3LQhpr10JiLHE08NSIkd0SIeWsV1JzesQg5dLbnzlb7PhJI0MtIsUMY1D28kp1l N68bxpO3InDLi9/jPTWQ6dLXJkVD8n8HWoxQF3aoSUXVT8oYLfC1qfw3c4UELLgP0y CkAWchOkO9HnwyfvWS6EeZKPvZVRQ2FG5kkxPQdGfjzu2ZlYREbVE8w48b34bSySlH z9SXXEWaDeJgQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?b?UmFpbiwgUmFpbiwgUmFpbiwgUmFpbi4uLi4u?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I flew over brownsville on the way down to ol mejico yesterday. The Rio Grande no longer reaches the gulf. Neither does the Colorado. I'm thinking some desalination plants run by lsr's might be in order. I've seen plants in California and Florida. Not TR, but related. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Subject: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Date: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 1:32 pm On 7/6/13 10:06 AM, WBEECH wrote: > Send that rain on down to west Texas, we're dying down here. If it wasn't up hill most of the way to the Rockys I would suggest a really big network of canals across the country like those imagined on Mars up to a couple decades ago. That way we could send water from where there is too much to where it is desperately needed. The forest around Flagstaff was tinder dry until last week. We have picked up about 2-1/2 inches of rain since then and have a 40% chance of rain both today & Sunday. We usually have a summer rainy season. Hope it is a good one this year as last winter's snow was a bit light. Thankfully Humidity is not an issue in Flagstaff and our all time recoded high is 97 degrees. Flagstaff is THE place in Arizona to go to get away from summer heat and almost no one has air conditioners in their house. On the other hand we are also the winter ski place to go in the state. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 14:21:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14617403A7 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A890B40357 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF31BA190E for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:20:55 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20130706201342.43086403C7@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net spook01@comcast.net wrote: > I'm thinking some desalination plants run by lsr's might be in order. What do land speed racers have to do with this? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 14:24:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC05D403C5 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2A740357 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id x8Pb1l00J53lu50018Pbxx; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:23:36 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <7502CDB294DA4B0882D52EA4781A7465@DaveLaptop><387B5C70-6532-46CD-97D4-03D65CFECD24@flash.net> <51D862B4.1080409@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:19:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I knew this was going to happen: after almost constant rain for several months I rerouted some of the storm gutters to dump water into the pool instead of the alley. has not rained one drop since. -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 1:32 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... On 7/6/13 10:06 AM, WBEECH wrote: > Send that rain on down to west Texas, we're dying down here. If it wasn't up hill most of the way to the Rockys I would suggest a really big network of canals across the country like those imagined on Mars up to a couple decades ago. That way we could send water from where there is too much to where it is desperately needed. The forest around Flagstaff was tinder dry until last week. We have picked up about 2-1/2 inches of rain since then and have a 40% chance of rain both today & Sunday. We usually have a summer rainy season. Hope it is a good one this year as last winter's snow was a bit light. Thankfully Humidity is not an issue in Flagstaff and our all time recoded high is 97 degrees. Flagstaff is THE place in Arizona to go to get away from summer heat and almost no one has air conditioners in their house. On the other hand we are also the winter ski place to go in the state. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 14:28:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E500403C6 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FB740357 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r11so2808022lbv.13 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6iMDEkdRlwDyascfeu/X35NgSGzrIEGeyGzpXbjjafU=; b=e+e0OO7dPoHcSLIJlgr9uuxQGq/3v2PUch9F4FTJboWmQ9kDk97e+scs6rRG7FG1ys PUmcF8vtqnZPhIpAU/oszDcrx3sgJbo+5FNbnEQLOasU/3ApJfh9NPuUAR13aemSdEN1 hteqyAOhXAVPX76Dwx1kbybHdxG82/gf/rjBU9K6fJcC061pGoN9Dk7FCBQtCZiPdZH5 ZhsoPD8Ow7vJNhoXUQihGiUoSgyXmqSRabrfhjN14C3B0N18UiyVjBnCBcA2w697vPMV D5ITuGuO2VGDoAjLROMgp2kfraDV1Ig23OODi3RCxTE9gNNpD3GBx+FneJMrf7WWS5JB oCFg== g9mr7411199lah.44.1373142490558; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.9.97 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.9.97 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:28:10 -0400 From: Will Daehler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] The Rope Trick Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I used it and it worked as advertised. I was putting on a new Roadster Factory clutch pressure plate, and I just could not stop the engine from rotating while trying to give the six hex head bolts that final torque to 20 ft-lbs. I pulled a spark plug out, and fed a foot of 3/8" nylon rope in. Voila, no engine movement. It worked so well that I was thinking about cutting up the rest of the rope and selling the pieces on Ebay. Any potential takers? Will Daehler 63 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 15:58:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF49F4038B for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2073E40333 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130706215714.CESG3842.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:57:14 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.99.82.107]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id x9xD1l00J2Jvvxw019xDKd; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:57:14 -0400 a=BrgYjPiL4d2cFgrlBXpIzQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qOAazuC-jsgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=fXTGpzqXppbC87vC648A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=BrgYjPiL4d2cFgrlBXpIzQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Will Daehler'" , References: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 14:57:29 -0700 Thread-index: Ac56h2L5khI9rLKpRgWp/0+os1YJwAADFQwg Subject: Re: [TR] The Rope Trick Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bad idea. Give some people enough rope and they will hang themselves! :) Joe. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Will Daehler Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 1:28 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] The Rope Trick Yes, I used it and it worked as advertised. I was putting on a new Roadster Factory clutch pressure plate, and I just could not stop the engine from rotating while trying to give the six hex head bolts that final torque to 20 ft-lbs. I pulled a spark plug out, and fed a foot of 3/8" nylon rope in. Voila, no engine movement. It worked so well that I was thinking about cutting up the rest of the rope and selling the pieces on Ebay. Any potential takers? Will Daehler 63 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 15:59:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA34403A7 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E73240333 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id f4so4771049oah.21 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:58:47 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=+9HrW93ZrtUi/4yCmE7xlVkpzQHYlM4nfi85b0SpdtI=; b=FM5avZTqCmb+3Pc7rTtz0sDoYLH4ICfudg1J2KxEjSWXHUek9L/4Dd/AXmELeVJTh1 GOjY8TS4udMawJ3I320fUwiEJsF8KujjaViwJA90OPR0t++3jlPGUHhMKiG1+KsZCgDc ubLvPm3A07dslCFn489+Xo5Qk4NwqFvMWzM58atV8UHS510o/W/11OIh+bakpq1ltrRv 4CppANiExG6lVUlewym24swUVsGGbMs3bLFcl9ThIPt1cZ6uAAgE22L+CetiAFhNvsbJ y74Uf6kILMG6u0WSzdmMWGOwlFpA97YypnnKtDkTQCYSWoCnBdb0ma9oiOr4CPGmQuQw ogKA== dt10mr15890821oeb.81.1373147927141; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tv3sm24498180obb.8.2013.07.06.14.58.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Ted Schumacher'" , References: <51D827CE.7030206@bright.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:58:54 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFrDd8OYR6rT47lGfjSC3+VCJl3WgJdHXRumgwiujA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's what happened to my 62 TR4, except for the "real dog" part. It was titled a 64, but built early on 62. When I purchased a few years ago and brought to Florida from out of state, I had to show them the VIN and they had an old book to look up the build year and they retitled it to a 1962. Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ted Schumacher Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Build date question?? Hello list. With all the "build date" discussion, here is what really happened in the '60's at the dealer level. We were a BMC/Standard Triumph/Rootes dealer. Through 1967, at teh end of teh calendar year we were allowed to send back the CO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) to the appropriate mfg. They would reissue an new CO shwoing the current calendar year. Starting in 1968 with the advent of all the US laws on emissions, safety and theft - think locking ignition w/dead bolt. VIN visible from outside the car, etc. - we could no longer do this. But this is how "year of mfg" and year of car by title varied. Example, it's the first week of 1965. We send all gthe CCO's back to tghe appropriate mfg. A bit later in the month, the '64 TR4 has become a '65. And if it was a real dog (color, equipment, interior) it was possible for the '64, now '65 to become a '66 12 months later. Ted On 7/5/2013 9:57 AM, Chip19474@aol.com wrote: > Randall, > > That's the best example of how crazy titling a Triumph can be! > > It beats my TR6 which was built on July 5, 1976, but not shipped to the USA > until December, 1976, and not sold until April, > 1977.....amazing....how did Brit Leyland make any money leaving > products laying around the docks for so long!!?? Geez, by the time > the first owner bought the car, the seals had already started to dry rot from nonuse. > > I guess it was a good thing that Triumph wasn't building TR6s at that > point or the DOT would have called it a 1977 TR7....that would have raised a few > eyebrows! > > Chip > > > In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:45:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: > > Now 'funny' is the Sports 6 I used to have, which was built in 1963, > but sold new as a 1965 model. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:03:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0821E40359 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D027D40333 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id n9so4779762oag.22 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:02:52 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=HSizveZD0rfXFQQf210E/Ujd1XD/yuPs9ahhflqY93s=; b=f2ngF595SpU0EHixIcuxlDiCV4avMVcaT0DwRI4NTUzsjXBQBtbVnVife1s4U3ydpM 52YSYYKjcfMAyW9qWvkwD2oyqbbQJzjuTKd9J6/KgU5KocLLKb3OMDyaLNHF7D9CggNI VwjuzdFXuMh3C+3RTlJmO8neoeDsBEhUIxzJhwEPMwHmaTAmlm9OoJ71PZ6dlgRFP8IZ ZHh90RMr24x53C9onYO5ygBCNt/5WMfxrnZusXw6gKvXjQZOeeAKSm9ixAChrmcH3VrS T/qlLURsw4sEwbKRZpG9Za2ugXR6POqGgEm/WTaN1b/nI4j6Npi5CJwP23zaw4Yt2vGy IboQ== no10mr15747986obc.76.1373148172562; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qa4sm24921727oeb.5.2013.07.06.15.02.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:03:00 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac56lDDyEVzCOX5SSHuzf2s3YFyj7A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a new clutch fork and hardened pin from Moss. How tight do I tighten this pin into the fork? Is there a torque setting? Should any threads be showing? I didn't really want to have the cross shaft and fork drilled for the bolt upgrade as I don't have a drill press and knowing me, I would ruin it. Aren't there upgraded hardened pins grade 8 and shouldn't they work fine? Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:15:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B5740066 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EA540333 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xA8a1l0020ldTLk53AEs9e; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:14:52 +0000 Received: from [10.232.191.56] ([174.225.4.180]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xAEg1l00H3t2Vfy01AEjMq; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:14:50 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?TWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lz?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:14:49 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1373148892; bh=zcZwZ5fRARq7TciANDb6JZQ0pIN0Rd147GfBfHP9TYE=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H1LbrgS3ivcqze7ep8Sy45jG6hOQNAL89zShGgIKzH/NquX6+r8TNOa13P1y/5Fp1 w4/jJ4BQvgSc9lnW3N9t+/sgeiGLfjISCkWeSOonEk0LOBEuKE/sj8pJYjDA8pIVGd hOy8YUQ16aypDdn/shQC0SH+Xu6892JOLbnYEpCHDlJDtRpQQF/Q+QNYAConZgqPJN r/+JueUpwmoWgmJ5M8gy9Tb2ucFT/zcMAOH2G0UC8w7csRvQ/BgILcQRZu/pTiKB96 YhxRltgpQl+rBZ8V9IRG5zYXZ8O+pmRSfMvyWUk5gsUCJ5kdeZOpZfF0zI5FCB1ymf /Dni7gZ7UfXIA== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?b?UmFpbiwgUmFpbiwgUmFpbiwgUmFpbi4uLi4u?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Liquid Salt Reactors Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Subject: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Date: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 3:20 pm spook01@comcast.net wrote: > I'm thinking some desalination plants run by lsr's might be in order. What do land speed racers have to do with this? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:15:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4C240397 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F14A40357 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x9on1l0040vyq2s5FAFUKb; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:15:28 +0000 Received: from [10.232.191.56] ([174.225.4.180]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xAFG1l0153t2Vfy3RAFKfn; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:15:26 +0000 To: "Dave" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:15:25 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1373148928; bh=EvxB4cJUB/8ue6IxoWBvm3I4OOhkRHLXGxp/643yFF4=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bfGe+1TapGVKvqkzsVUAY9NxsFfuE4mjWTmikD5doBuUlVEdM9Wwasqing9ssew6X Dfpjp0VjpRAhOW9N03T/igl+cQ12xYKytnht9IN6SljwpxgsZUorwgWDmV0RrCt+W2 6cHDsHOnuvMUwWZjnyTx5VQoPQ5fRwS3XRUiM2mqeyoUHdRtVrMRI4KM52JtUl0g1k mXXQH/V1B7IoI9JTV9XSg9uhp+CNExsn8jTpauX/5BELOWYvSwgIvmYbRQJtGErvOw R5rO9E3qgTj1193qKz8yJc5S38JAx+8ysEmY0RxWg+/4CuW5CQresKxd10RMdCj0Nr 5fkVfjW/klCHw== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?b?UmFpbiwgUmFpbiwgUmFpbiwgUmFpbi4uLi4u?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Like washing and polishing a car in reverse. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dave" To: Subject: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Date: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 3:19 pm I knew this was going to happen: after almost constant rain for several months I rerouted some of the storm gutters to dump water into the pool instead of the alley. has not rained one drop since. -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 1:32 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... On 7/6/13 10:06 AM, WBEECH wrote: > Send that rain on down to west Texas, we're dying down here. If it wasn't up hill most of the way to the Rockys I would suggest a really big network of canals across the country like those imagined on Mars up to a couple decades ago. That way we could send water from where there is too much to where it is desperately needed. The forest around Flagstaff was tinder dry until last week. We have picked up about 2-1/2 inches of rain since then and have a 40% chance of rain both today & Sunday. We usually have a summer rainy season. Hope it is a good one this year as last winter's snow was a bit light. Thankfully Humidity is not an issue in Flagstaff and our all time recoded high is 97 degrees. Flagstaff is THE place in Arizona to go to get away from summer heat and almost no one has air conditioners in their house. On the other hand we are also the winter ski place to go in the state. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:40:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAC140395 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C3940074 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x17so2492386vbf.24 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=q6AzzxLrZGfvWg/FvB19Zo/5IkfmEW2eros85y8syAY=; b=j2Ra53MhKVDMNhD7Qv9Wx6h13MdYDOQ0OOL6wSZBvxyRtBWsHGuD7Wtza5RHG73evC ISjKdFa4YECJ088WcW+tzNGPdgU4vQiuSwL6B21KE0+uQ46k7v6Q6MXKTejnbblZ3/Cj P6+42Kwi2vnddbqUlmIrFBnfBFXBUvf9VCajb8SjU7Zl8mTnmg3zZfvg8lRq8uPC3Flf /tGS3jaP97TQUq55gFbxRa5wJkGyQADlML7nbMFxvSbtumgyMvGSOoHNmtkgbXSRuSwn UuKOhGc+RsVci+ZAPE6zBWF/smFwszRImIrdbBKvfaswPVhax+MAbEq9eL/fEL+5hxBK GiZA== bg8mr8376606vcb.36.1373150401376; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <028001ce7a94$957a93f0$c06fbbd0$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:40:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I have a new clutch fork and hardened pin from Moss. How tight do I > tighten > this pin into the fork? Is there a torque setting? Should any threads be > showing? I didn't really want to have the cross shaft and fork drilled for > the bolt upgrade as I don't have a drill press... Since it gets safety wired I didn't give much thought to torque, just snugged it up. I use an electric hand drill for the hole for the additional bolt -- pretty easy, material not hardened and access is good. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:43:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A57C403C6 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BDB40333 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-9111.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.51.154]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UvbCd-0002wt-Pw for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:43:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:43:48 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2 seat installation & removal ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: I have a mid production '2 that is finally seeing the road very soon (thanks to the list!!) and puzzling over the seat installation. Don't recall how I removed the seats these many years ago. I did get the driver's seat installed by removing the floor tracks and sliding the seat back & forth to re-engage the floor bolts. Is there an easier way to install the seats? The passenger seat with the handbrake and tunnel so close looks like a tight one. My seat backs are fixed and my adjusters - supposed to be 'handed' are the 'same side' - both on the right side of the seat. Remove the seat pan tracks and try that? Thanks for any help with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:56:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEC6403C8 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ADE40078 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:53:13 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=C607YvcllvoA:10 a=zo_Cd5AQttlPfWvj6OwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B4/7F-05415-7DF98D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:53:12 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'James Henningsen'" , Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:53:12 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac56lDDyEVzCOX5SSHuzf2s3YFyj7AABsQyA Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a new clutch fork and hardened pin from Moss. How > tight do I tighten this pin into the fork? I pulled mine down pretty tight, maybe 25 ft-lb. No spec that I can find. > Aren't there upgraded hardened pins grade 8 and > shouldn't they work fine? Probably OK, for as long as you're likely to drive it. But I believe those hardened pins are only "upgraded" compared to the junk that was being sold before. The original pins were very hard; my drill bit just skittered over the surface and refused to bite. But the original pin in TS39781LO lasted over 40 years (and at least 200,000 miles), so that should be good enough. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 17:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5811403DD for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1113B40329 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id p12so2469433vbe.26 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 16:18:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Fv4hiZEY5iRDWJbVwWOskk8gmS7plCcqJXoPY9ZB1IY=; b=XGUtXmQYuvpQiLGEBqjBa2w+NZTo3ksHyQucKxkCTPNO829AVl0R1Mpf/VXYMrgPZL 8A8qm4HLNNMQJpAUKw0fGLKYoSj4eqwrfOfltbVsKp9j9O5KZHRLnEJNLTGE4WDJNy+U 1zmNlD5zyWbt9NRrtHPzpyD2SWcNP9xlvCBgZP2lG0ahpwx4xRqdXjKtKFxUnMa7950s fC+yE30tQgUmQQ/3dhdP+l/j2maH/I8VwxYP8TaLKqcFDp8cHS+ugm+RdmVBIXPkpps2 TjUpE3uKca1Hd2pmu6+p43FKiNZEWKnK0YVG0Yto9DAe/jEl7ETxw5An0sYFmKlvR+gO 1aKQ== vb9mr11021398vec.2.1373152697869; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 16:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:18:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <51D89DA4.9070204@execulink.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:18:17 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Angelo Graham Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 seat installation & removal ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In case it isn't clear -- you install the tracks first (sliding to reveal bolts) then install the seat pans on the studs on the tracks. Finally, you drop in the seat bottom. Geo On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > I have a mid production '2 that is finally seeing the road very soon > (thanks to the list!!) and puzzling over the seat installation. Don't > recall how I removed the seats these many years ago. I did get the driver's > seat installed by removing the floor tracks and sliding the seat back & > forth to re-engage the floor bolts. > Is there an easier way to install the seats? The passenger seat with the > handbrake and tunnel so close looks like a tight one. My seat backs are > fixed and my adjusters - supposed to be 'handed' are the 'same side' - both > on the right side of the seat. Remove the seat pan tracks and try that? > Thanks for any help with this one. > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 18:45:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7597403A8 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB8640355 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130707004522.UJJR10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:45:22 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id xClN1l0033enFnk05ClNAg; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:45:22 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=YE48AFRwfdQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=wVhorLUrDMgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=aZOc_rqiTE-Ue-HmJUsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=A6jtc_jx-HcUiQ7u:21 a=Wp4a0QiN-slp_uFd:21 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: <7502CDB294DA4B0882D52EA4781A7465@DaveLaptop> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:45:21 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKaLAhp9DXKpu7N4OvMSaJJKgVoe5fA/W6A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No different in Connecticut. Showers every day. Fields are so wet that I'm not sure where I can even try to mow some late 1st cutting. 200 bales today but that was sheer luck. 100 acres to go. GT6 remains in the top of the barn and the TR6 seldom goes out of the garage. Maybe we should start an upper - market bottled water company! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 11:38 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... I wonder if it is ever going to stop raining here in Cincinnati! I went down to the garage and shot some pictures of the TR4A with our new "vacation" camera and posted them on my webpage at the bottom of the "Final Assembly" page. You can really see the color of the paint in these. My old camera just didn't do the color justice.' Too rainy to do much else. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 18:58:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B9A403A6 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0036440355 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xCfh1l0031eYJf8A7CxfXR; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 00:57:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xCxe1l00G4L5TyG01Cxe46; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 00:57:39 +0000 From: Bud R To: James Henningsen Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:57:38 -0600 References: <028001ce7a94$957a93f0$c06fbbd0$@gmail.com> s=q20121106; t=1373158659; bh=wBR5ZUdiP58oho0YI8GNsnjiAp22lXf8YRqsvLGzAKw=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=a93MmGjZ/roqBmvFab6RKoyyNy4ZDNeZ8I0ZHGbsnWsAZpW7XY+yT0rK0Z+d1enAo 7gk8BNxVsyZOwX/f/ZUGxZcaOy21WMS82l0uBFZCCoxE2FzdJ7SmqJqHAwQdXyC1F/ 2J2z5QzKa55urkEBW/okBSv9CMZs2UU5JXHDGQHUNJnoxShW35/KMP/7uwwiAyNt6a RqNl5398CsDM4MWXImNCKkMbU/DgdEzlXSXzGpltbCwY4RF6lufoDPlxQOATkZ3mEj IkLkH0U38xbZ1PMkr4YysoEfQahW6+2LwMPkgdetmCwPcvA+B/8zo6iR5nKUxkLE72 fQQtJNFeVhWhA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, you can do it. Drill the hole for the fork first and then use that as a guide for drilling the shaft. It doesn't have to be THAT precise as you're installing a bolt with a nut. Guaranteed you will sleep better if you do this mod. And as an added bonus you won't have to be precise about the torque on the original clutch fork pin. Snug tight will be good enough. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jul 6, 2013, at 4:03 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I have a new clutch fork and hardened pin from Moss. How tight do I > tighten > this pin into the fork? Is there a torque setting? Should any > threads be > showing? I didn't really want to have the cross shaft and fork > drilled for > the bolt upgrade as I don't have a drill press and knowing me, I > would ruin > it. Aren't there upgraded hardened pins grade 8 and shouldn't they > work > fine? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 19:16:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A104039F for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105BB400AD for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:16:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.180] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:16:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1091.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 74039 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2013 01:16:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373159763; bh=/sk+KK5BiO6RwaGTjgxt7gHqvSKVU66LLqu64LxUdaA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yxAg25TUgxTjUe6x5JH7+Yn1FiApzpEfqP9GGPFae7+Y3Dg4DFTU60LIxlSs4K1vVqkgM/KqqZAUFoDjU6716BBBIruSUO9Pl2y2cp/2Ts8mE/NRlCRrPksCWwmB1jMiytr7gVdhZ6ehA9hgR7BgQ1GiZEmUIAOp+ano4LK3Xx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dQuCcZgMB+IrCID/GStkkKgaefUF6Lk1MlFyDEJsnTM69QMLrjkM2fCrjoZraNbF2lJ7K88L0R8h8i7fDzqAzsMFDfc3dp9GTYXag5LH2bw/o3LSmHyUqAZ8fRtntX+gpU6XwW5+G7sS2EU61QvC2+jb2W7mH9nC19HomxXkCBA= ; v42L8L4.ExFRuYWshwDzG2QhnlFOxRf3_BHWYMhvCi81XMFWaOp6wsr2tzYz _acSOyPzS5EjZ.mPB.qJiuvG7i_MDxgbUz71MMtXJrKIixIlZ0xrh2j1PTgl QYUSQ2NGzo08EsBLVd.C_h2JUvyHpYG.x.lLTrc6joTSLHX_lcTqtYciA52_ kkgkIXAQ5fRLKr1h64Vw0gJPeYV1uLmQ0nlpJe83x_D6neMApVCf4Tp5joqA O9PdQPSIY9u887IotSvtHjJ8WEj4dNUqe1s1M_pnAHc20CGFyPDq8AfbfSu. 5uVkPsFocfnPE0d9.d04J3r_xGLuKGa2oqtX.Ect7BPVsKOQtMt5qlZxiYP5 xY5ebflxjXuiohmNwUbOCMG9x6ag6EEFOBL4YXW.ZLq0atSdUatD4YrBokqy 8nYZsLtK8l0PuVNtefbH1mKmUHdZ91e.q6AokNR7Ii7A7e3FM0OdjhXMOjaD 5lIaRcMUPEEfpp7C_quT7s6XA8ZUVK_54x07VT7kqcdRSTvSt0dMyxUFrXld FSgx3XwhSogjTpGlPdqakrGXnpnocGg-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:16:03 PDT SSBwcm9iYWJseSBzaG91bGRuJ3QgYWRtaXQgdG8gc2NyZXctdXBzIGJ1dCB0aGF0J3MgaG93IHdlIGxlYXJuIcKgIE15IG9yaWdpbmFsIHF1ZXN0aW9uIHRvIHRoZSBsaXN0IHdhcyBjb25jZXJuaW5nwqAgYSBtaXMtYWxpZ25lZCB3YXRlciBwdW1wIHB1bGxleS7CoCBJIG5vdGljZWQgdGhlIHdhdGVyIHB1bXAgcHVsbGV5IHdhcyBhdCBsZWFzdCBoYWxmIGluY2ggZmFydGhlciBmb3J3YXJkIHRoYW4gaXQgc2hvdWxkIGJlLsKgIFRoaXMgaXMgYSBuZXdseSByZXN0b3JlZCB0ci0zIHdpdGggbGVzcyB0aGFuIDIBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] results.....water pump pulley alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I probably shouldn't admit to screw-ups but that's how we learn! My original question to the list was concerning a mis-aligned water pump pulley. I noticed the water pump pulley was at least half inch farther forward than it should be. This is a newly restored tr-3 with less than 25-30 miles on it. I removed the pump and the pulley immediately fell off. The nut that was supposed to hold the pulley on was on the shaft but inside the pulley! I guess I had installed the water pump then slipped the pulley over the shaft..........as a "test fit" and later managed to install the generator, belt and tighten everything up without noticing. I found I also had not completely tightened the bottom generator mounting bolts. During the 25-30 miles I've driven the car since restoration the pulley had apparently been turning partially on the shaft and partially on the snout of the water pump. I've also found various other nuts and bolts needing tightening. Needless to say I have the pulley appropriately mounted and am double checking other areas specifically front suspension. Just an FYI for others contemplating a restoration. Other stories out there? LOL gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 19:29:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA28403C7 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E2E40333 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:29:23 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KKyuVQuZmv8A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=0cJIt4BPQWy-99-wW3gA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ov3RATES7kAA:10 a=S2vXq-bXWGsA:10 a=qXJGK6EUHaanmIGh5uAA:9 a=aq7doI_1IL9zg7Q8:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50876] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 75/07-26515-274C8D15; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 21:29:23 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 21:32:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A windshield installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I removed a decent windshield and granted the old rubber glazing got really loose once I removed the plastic insert. So, I was wondering how hard it would be for me to install the windshield myself? If I decided to do this, does anyone know where I could pick up one of those wire tools that inserted the plastic trim? Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 Triumph TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 19:50:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4AC403B1 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.123]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4254D400AD for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:14 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.61] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373161814; bh=1UbxAYur/S/6WGwLazRPu6kiQkdDVE8jeR+legM/KCk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=HW5rEMJUmcjj+5JUAVwr1hW6UeWulO6z8Sc3eDKKSdwrT1xYsND/eqPmTaAOp1nAsddyrhsywjFMFyBOy8e+Z7bXMHWEsWU6B44imuHefcS+TVEyNKa6Ax3XI5femsQfjhBxIbvQZ26lthD1vIt0x3oNk38yoFqcAsrPR2YSJII= ELn09j8nwvpIH9gNhYp2u8M3U63DLlhd6GWN2uPT7I_yx.rEYS8eb_r668GD W3EeI412blfCWlHism9DkcyG2sLck7oRNz_yTXYf6cXrgKQNMnxClOyvp_mw 9xcsj3fsmd1WUGEV_AsGgt9mkYBUOxUHHXY4q20LHgWvpDaJqzQKj7W4PN_i PzTwBmE21iUz7qYUNnG.QMv3V1z8SxhvWx._G6RyShnkeHP_QqSUFBN7u1w5 HuK8V7e3z.y0ZAGDMKtZsqx0xQTZV8FzDbflDGDc.iGurvdZyuIZGF3HXrLE wxdlmFPDlZVZspBGOJrmQNIs4IJnOe0zn9P3y3BQ92pwXKsrgjnh7Kc2Ajjv 0b4BgzUGqnzb6sV44HjNfxMkzIwxNsjnplgrO4G7yRvpd1ZpIL.hNto6rmjb L_OL_LxTUP.7RZ7jbdgjKK7SzvTT9FyRdE7uvas7nl1PfQFAt0W1UwTg4Tlp NZFPexie_8HPLiz_NIxP7nhTGxhsbikHy2SeRtli2HI95HY0K6LD2QZTYfPL 89anXQilvbk3kYdDDYYyM71zw7DeRtUYbJtVS8XWmcrBcOhl_fnI8GBRGeII JtAhUgQDC.97wDTanjw8XyZJ4VbZES2pI._.rnPAe.N_brUPATG8FdPgnzF1 AO5OMeWF9uI5qDu_4Tk8SBe_z3GAIuuUJK7j33WP8_egZe4bSLd3pDj7L9do fcQoCx3g- smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jul 2013 18:50:14 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Alex&Janet Thomson'" References: <7502CDB294DA4B0882D52EA4781A7465@DaveLaptop> <002201ce7aab$42d0f5b0$c872e110$@charter.net> <4006AD78C21C4DC9ADC2B751C8D8BD96@bboffice> <002301ce7ab2$24f42330$6edc6990$@charter.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:50:28 -0500 Thread-index: AQKaLAhp9DXKpu7N4OvMSaJJKgVoewKIageuAWAPqriXocdpsIAAAwyA Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We're currently at $12 for Coastal, $16 for Alf., down from $16 & $20 respectively last summer. Can you extend you delivery range by a few miles? It is getting so a poor boy can't afford to buy gas for his TR. TR content: Yes, my TR3s share the barn with the critters. Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 8:35 PM To: wbeech@flash.net; 'Dave Connitt'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... $5.25 for 1st cutting and $6.25 for 2nd cutting, both delivered within 25 miles (I'm cheap). 40 lb. bales. 63 bale minimum load. Alex T. -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 9:21 PM To: 'Alex&Janet Thomson'; 'Dave Connitt'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... What's a bale of hay go for in Connecticut? -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex&Janet Thomson Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 7:45 PM To: 'Dave Connitt'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... No different in Connecticut. Showers every day. Fields are so wet that I'm not sure where I can even try to mow some late 1st cutting. 200 bales today but that was sheer luck. 100 acres to go. GT6 remains in the top of the barn and the TR6 seldom goes out of the garage. Maybe we should start an upper - market bottled water company! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 11:38 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain..... I wonder if it is ever going to stop raining here in Cincinnati! I went down to the garage and shot some pictures of the TR4A with our new "vacation" camera and posted them on my webpage at the bottom of the "Final Assembly" page. You can really see the color of the paint in these. My old camera just didn't do the color justice.' Too rainy to do much else. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 19:51:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6E3403DD for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC61400FF for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.174] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:58 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373161858; bh=wqFdQz4Vlf41w6zVjgwXwpiAHqYCKmYUdxX+OCE1fg4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=j3G3gM3fmYNkd7ssX7srZ6GdMopuagm6gZcGyBAR1nekgYkpVW4Mq35RZVyv5to3SJc6BpEfZBJynDhVvMqoWxztZpDpQxQFpEBaucpKnmgqJQtT8D28au+i8EVtDMleTc/mMTlH0r7G5IqLTZBp9vFSu2IeyFV6+xpf7hOARN8= XKOCTWe7UTHWZg0IiUiw99rkHt5y0LfO2bxZRuL9CODzb.jnpCCCWx4SThj8 FSYiaYOLLVNcEX.s6GpC4XYGjfSvEV2wnnhiojMleWSII6JMvPQ99HQM422R Eu6luz.gSyfaYbf51DXl4Tu_qWElwJqH0tCUDlLjwT8yhZUagN.w6ISDBGWM NKHChpG.x1caU9zngMdexcBwaAcckRAB.0yKb7t_zDDC5dGt.hi2raIkEx3n VE1x7bejTVazfsKQJUCSsc0hbhkA8HIuXx.m7o5siwRSOlMB1Es6pySckgnI JVwnmx0DpAv9OWR6d87zWI0.hPUyd2ZgwFmbnh6pQkKESwPezpPdkCfW1mT1 Bzu57aAU9u1TpJ5Z5kB.c_XOJciLzwucajs1H_Md0TqKJaJrlgT3N6MEZdsa 7Lt5N9YtRCGHwc6Wu44s8MMtHpvym6blYAqIy4VKWjPjmJQ8p5KqD_PdyAPL yyl__KcZe8gSrrYndDZ3UXPb_2GTVTxncFgfrs62NOh_7pvg2nGuNg5EmNoU gOVw457bfeLSIRCY8HwnxidSrRrc2p2OB62qc3CBRg.IUeA-- smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jul 2013 01:50:58 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1373159763.62449.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:51:14 -0500 Thread-index: Ac56r6NsYrNLSHpNQ8Gdc8gtcm8U0QABHm2Q Subject: Re: [TR] results.....water pump pulley alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I once re-built a Hillman motor and forgot to put the cir-clips in to hold the wristpins. I did tell the guy about it when I sold the car, it blew about a month after...... Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Nafziger Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 8:16 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] results.....water pump pulley alignment I probably shouldn't admit to screw-ups but that's how we learn! My original question to the list was concerning a mis-aligned water pump pulley. I noticed the water pump pulley was at least half inch farther forward than it should be. This is a newly restored tr-3 with less than 25-30 miles on it. I removed the pump and the pulley immediately fell off. The nut that was supposed to hold the pulley on was on the shaft but inside the pulley! I guess I had installed the water pump then slipped the pulley over the shaft..........as a "test fit" and later managed to install the generator, belt and tighten everything up without noticing. I found I also had not completely tightened the bottom generator mounting bolts. During the 25-30 miles I've driven the car since restoration the pulley had apparently been turning partially on the shaft and partially on the snout of the water pump. I've also found various other nuts and bolts needing tightening. Needless to say I have the pulley appropriately mounted and am double checking other areas specifically front suspension. Just an FYI for others contemplating a restoration. Other stories out there? LOL gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 20:15:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0505403C6 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A63E400FF for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id xEEz1l00Y53lu5001EF04j; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 19:15:01 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 21:15:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR intermittantly dies - conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net recently acquired TR would run, die, run, die, etc. seemed somewhat random but I never got very far in it. it was not the coil. it was not the fuel pump. it was not the carbs. it was not the rotor. all of these were done/replaced and did not resolve the issue. this past week I pulled the gas tank and thoroughly washed it out and blew out the gas lines. I also replaced the condensor. I also noticed, when replacing the condensor, that the little nut that holds all that stuff down and apart was loose. not even finger tight. it is now quite tight. so although I changed three things and therefore cannot pinpoint a solution, I donbt care because its fixed. but my vote is on the loose nut. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 20:24:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25862403BA for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABA040358 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-77-234.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.77.234]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MPJ001TTO0NOL40@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 02:24:29 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-07_01:2013-07-05,2013-07-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=3 adultscore=11 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1307060336 From: Darrell Walker Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 19:24:23 -0700 References: To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A windshield installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, I installed mine (many years ago), it wasn't difficult. The worst part was that I made a mess with the sealant, took a roll or two of paper towels to get the glass clean! I just pressed the trim in by hand. -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 01:55:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EA6403C6 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 01:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED21F40395 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 01:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 07:55:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.175] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 07:55:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 07:55:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 84093 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2013 07:55:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373183711; bh=j+B/0T+yflgSBN+QDQ3O8BtGgvqG0xLJ+ZTUjaNWr+4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WK/qnGSJSlNLB1ok9TqBc32SK/o6055XBWXsntMp6W6MT9E1j625qexnxGFR4juuhBrpjgpGapbQe1Tk2G5fXaeuFNKcAFIYuvfJZiAEAREnsde7HR0l6tH2AkMgwfNQTtfdQCtVHATW7l1i2bR9cLHbIiW539LochWJ6e+6U8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YUunylJM9UBzHNcH4+FxH+pcHvz9Qoz8Qny8ALfmmeTtv6CX29PtiVWjY0N2zC/9decI3iQ0WoxBOkM3kivyPMTcVGlalc21PsPuEo81RUcviqTn5KU3nASTe3Fvc17ATXxAeWgRsLW7ZvrFulFWhhr/PhPRzt4pDw7PhNtJKuw= ; JLzOHxcdcDPtw0QUJ3z5km_RucD2zSsdcMIgC9qMjxRxNnrUWTcUR2O3CPq4 5yPR33l7XF7kCTMV6QRFbjb_TRZUiIm3gXzq.0O821QmLekz6Xo5ogzQw6uZ lGvC5fwHUxX2Zlhxl0ZpC6P_EKi0iEmJLEogy77tbODqv7ye0e6C4n4aBexM M86DuXUcwThrqe4CUirFDkpDOhGcYQ3YiLUw5P.1PpficNqGxlQ45udd1jg. mT2UzANxS8P_Qh6urY_soQ0No388XlY5x2uqscsL_Qk4l9TM1HIaeW4IkyhR u1RFm7v7fNB._qfHHE9ooPH9zIfVpuvmHLz7JZSKBoinl4Jb.9bIsidRSoyC uMdWWVeK821mMoCshw4VsaDATSL8rdSNM2UnUUkDgo6eDgXmV32F0Fty4wJm 7tp5h5KqRv0R8sTsbFEsi6aCv1cdhs2K7cK.3AHpBew3HsCogueOxZPw4b37 oFFv.lNuSUT2nUgDifvF2u6oLZBTHKMVWe2A_yUeljkD3BdrQIKTxV1BA5fR aIqd8d9s630_Lge83aj.Elhyx2vExqIx30iuiRZfZvL6Oh9PA6RtWY57d9Fv gJIk7zTpLvUzBocweAD2tziLxiKJRpj4XYW2WZnnc Received: from [166.137.147.218] by web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 00:55:11 PDT WW91IGRvbid0IG5lZWQgYSBzcGVjaWFsIHRvb2wuLi4uaXQganVzdCBwcmVzc2VzIGluLgoKQ2hhZCBpbiBUdWxzYQoKU2VudCBmcm9tIFlhaG9vISBNYWlsIG9uIEFuZHJvaWQKCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 00:55:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "dconnitt@fuse.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A windshield installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You don't need a special tool....it just presses in. Chad in Tulsa Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 05:46:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C998403B9 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 05:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04BB403A7 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 05:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fs12so3038177lab.26 for ; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 04:45:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Amf6CpmLtdYcDHimjbGGJswVQCUsDslSF2fMAaJCnB4=; b=Iv0wNsri8GcF6oX9P/2aH11joWCwz17kk04I9IUi3nbHPW0Ky2vUEuqOsxTcmcBlji HA3J9nHTPvVXSLBkAkexJGxy7V3EPk6V3XGr4hrnxBGuIxvQ4jg4mQfXgKpsCd2KQNaV n/5n0HNudwtMArTCBlehs6wW3uHjk0JEvUSInBz6UG43malEJySnPC9yqbaSZmHo8GUv pRdksVbxRYvh6cei8xPwdhX3YNBXrRUAdzVDXSisff0x8badykyoVJWAPa7Mqlc1rVKB 0LCwC4kl1QPGwNeNTy6Cna3YKZpJ+S+9I9NYI9XZAZlLNHL6HRli4YKQcLxas4x7ATWy z09g== Sun, 07 Jul 2013 04:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 04:45:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <1373159763.62449.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 07:45:26 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] results.....water pump pulley alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep - second pass of checks is always good. I had a friend help with the TR2 and we were under a time crunch. The generator bolts did not get tightened and I was haunted by my friends "I dont' know how tight these should be" and my "use your best judgment" answer. About 7 miles from the house on our maiden voyage to the car show 3 hrs away, I pulled over and the generator bolts were backed out and nearly touching the belt. 30 mins later and a few burns, we were back on the road. Would have been so much nicer to do that in my garage on a cold engine... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 08:03:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4B84043A for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6606D403D7 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:02:57 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=saS9CveYXsEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=zr2Z042I4_ZrnSAI1pYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wDxqlK3lHT0A:10 a=ccpDE1bgJ2YA:10 a=3A8Dv_dJDJhMref2:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50202] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 55/78-01476-01579D15; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 10:02:56 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 10:07:23 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing a TR4A windshield Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that responded on installing windshields. I will get that rubber piece on order. One more question regarding weatherstriping. I installed the rubber weatherstriping around the door openings but there is a metal flange that I think I still need to add what I think is callled "furflex" that is more trim than weatherstriping. Is that true? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 08:33:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7020340434 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD55403D7 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:33:17 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=75docIim7FMA:10 a=H07o4d_eb-YA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=zX2u0V9asT0A:10 a=S5d9sX5f9NxClTzPfrwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:43038] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/4B-14128-C2C79D15; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:33:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 10:33:17 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Dave Connitt References: Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a TR4A windshield Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, It is hard to say. I am guessing it does seal the door a bit. Does add some zing to the interior though. For me since the top is down all the time, I am not really concerned how well the rubber seal + furflex seals the door. Bob On 07/07/2013 10:07 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Thanks to all that responded on installing windshields. > I will get that rubber piece on order. > One more question regarding weatherstriping. I installed the rubber > weatherstriping around the door openings but there is a metal flange that I > think I still need to add what I think is callled "furflex" that is more trim > than weatherstriping. Is that true? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 10:57:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E244042D for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 10:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0304042A for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 10:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so2928419veb.31 for ; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 09:56:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FR0KVDzQsWSHJ01DLrA8p9DESs5kyrUodZyar/i5ftM=; b=LbAYNlPyscxKl80YA0lHFnzsqLwLpVvoV47DL+uXoh8TGZyuO/g0NIdMaeRCyGXtOC D0wQ1rLN/xB4749ExkOjZRk+pplQpuv9N88YjWvtf1xEzjGExH/j6Atf7gvP9CyFpErS 24rrPFfL8u5Ml8F2ONYrA6UjgNrmXKQUDtMudQdWaKGv0qfEcYBG1QSbvnziAtUgSaIA NlWNIt7d3UrYueFABt0eIsUjw1CqRtwfwmplAuYwqLxLtalCuLDvAQ/eIPlUZaeuNa12 MyrmxhkkTG0CFqOO9JNDfcZVnOIv8mk6OyOXB68BrKFn+mTmQBBmfl4N/cC1iARg+J2m XJ6g== v12mr11883105vcp.63.1373216208611; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 09:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:56:48 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:56:48 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A windshield installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > ... does anyone know where I could pick up one of those wire tools that > inserted the plastic trim? > One suggestion on that plastic trim -- you might want to leave it long by a couple of inches as, in my experience, it will shrink quite a bit later. The last time I did mine I left about two inches overlap and drove with it like that for a year. Only then did I cut it to exact fit and install the little trim piece over it. Since then it has continued to shrink and the gap is now large enough that the trim piece barely covers it. Does that stuff ever stop shrinking? Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 12:07:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EE24041B for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 12:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA1C40357 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 12:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 350907005017C; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B69B9E000192; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 13:00:15 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373220015; bh=2uNGCEK3H6LyVzpMx7r46gzi+4eBn4E9LSacflddC+g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=srWPm7ilmsg2oqRbOoiMeZgM6aTDl9yK59TBh928WBRwJ+syUmnosqWYW3GZRAq6I bdHtIZqC6BoYv8zI0VzjXa8+B+hjDh+69xsHkKtLmoyUJPoFipYRArnDYWlQLn2J+n ZDof4tFFlGwyb+cW4za8hJEUBI3b7zuNSVj/MHuM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290151d9acae03cb Cc: Shawn Frank Subject: [TR] Kastner Cup 2013. Road America. 6-8 September 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you planning on going to the 11th Running of The Kastner Cup? Would you like to save some money and increase your participation? Register with VSCDA as a Crew Member of the Friends of Triumph! $40.00 will get you: Crew Status with The Kastner/Brock TR250K for the entire weekend. Hanging out with Kas & Peg at the FOT Garages at Turn 14 An event poster you can have Kas sign. Your own Paddock area for Triumphs Only inside of Turn 5 Friday Nite Triumph Car Show and Welcome Dinner at the Track. $85.00 will get you the above and: Track Touring one session on Saturday or Sunday The 'Old Course Reenactment' in conjunction with the Gathering On The Green (Sat) Pre-Kastner Cup Pace Lap prior to the race. Go to FOT-racing.com/ website and click on Driver & Crew Information for printable form, fill it out and send it to VSCDA as directed. This is a special deal and a peak experience in the Kastner Cup Series of 11 years. Please forward this offer to you clubs, forms, and other friends. August deadline......... Thanks. Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 14:16:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E0E403E3 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F0D403D0 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-10290.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.56.53] helo=[192.168.4.104]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UvvNQ-0004oZ-BT for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 16:16:08 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:16:07 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A windshield installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, 7 Jul 2013, at 09:56 PAM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > One suggestion on that plastic trim -- you might want to leave it long by a > couple of inches as, in my experience, it will shrink quite a bit later. > > The last time I did mine I left about two inches overlap and drove with it > like that for a year. Only then did I cut it to exact fit and install the > little trim piece over it. Since then it has continued to shrink and the > gap is now large enough that the trim piece barely covers it. Does that > stuff ever stop shrinking? > For that reason, TRF has had those closing clips manufactured in three sizes. When, not if, it shrinks, you can slide on a larger clip. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 14:17:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BC44042A for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4340403D0 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C206A190E for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:17:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Kastner Cup 2013. Road America. 6-8 September 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If I do show up it won't be in one of my Triumphs. Oh well. Perhaps someone going out on the track will have an empty passenger seat that is just my size. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 14:55:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407A94038B for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D190640079 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 20:52:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.217] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 20:52:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2013 20:52:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 62543 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2013 20:52:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373230353; bh=CexM/wmhwQIFEUQdaCpONNrHANUJt4Bk1UQgPv/HWMk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FCm1Rox1rfdqSGk8MrOIxMnqnTuUK82TsI7JOGjEyRK6vOf+IkO4K7muCAJYKp5BpbEPntJBDSA+GQv0I5rVdPDKZBxv0QV2pRiPItKYwzEyvL6LWlGqelSCxUbqpVBZTdu3Waxwebf9ENZpOKcNysPrlTBkPlH+qgjyz6n6zZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EMEZyuk0avEvR0cSq2zOrRPLgJ+Fy3W3bUpOdMmDPX4MSio8AkpQWigI+5DHttNCqzwSJIcPjb9evLnt0iX2FjJCRoqqi0C4c/x8msmHQkOj54DsifzxptLlRTN7pCD8KAJ/vY3ZLrQD5Puo4gZGR8MUR3Z5WQjxnaW0A49cu/E= ; StSzDGdyTFRb52ChgO6OjC3ool2KBpVuzkCaE1vTgDE9cTwewWnUysVGSJMZ 2SWJ7d3rFrSnOSSp0BycmRUaiOGGV5sBEVLsyTlgoQGQYvKVK0XY0.OgF6Kh QafSmKKk.pCRkxusSs4qEB3bWPmR.844khEP8KzQdawqq9Co3rB6jyViEJdF BXm.pOCT7l7lHHTJkNBRJcCwcNaF4Fl24o_uUfvX75VmAQs24Amh2zamDlhW ewG.PVMPeN4ou_4Zhprma3BYOtmAQQ6ZGe3bHl7C7LxGY2elL3WDy3OD6Yhe tGmlnc6rKOxE3DMsl2L8ty1yDY6T6KA3D_hSoiXIpgcWevNuhighwWGxXn8j N1tfAJ91ibKTehLKr_aDVBXMn9WLH5wq4At9WvPAmDxo4Z5zEliTeHNMF3Q3 IjqVpp3wna37_qrX2Ntk2iT0eSfceUL1rGYFH62ES8_Jy9pbwYwdYwdAx5rx .5zr.FIlWeP_bvG6A.2RmJtDOZBEsnwB9xrU.hQTUUL6dA7te8tlx_m5z_n9 c3lWtVaGbUdCMpDS_a.faIac5E5OWaceQqqnufdKTchRhdZrGMRncWEPr.LP 6k1uttGhrx9z6KcrgsyN0TSpI8WOZG3HhHXhIqpuml7TRoMybJxD5HJItwfI sbX6zhvXrhMgOckAWBU1NRyREVySMEtMM2UuX Received: from [65.31.82.194] by web160804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 13:52:33 PDT SGkgSm9lCsKgClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhpcyBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiwgSSdsbCBjZXJ0YWlubHkgc2lnbiB1cCBteSBmYXRoZXIgYW5kIEksIHRoZSBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgdmludGFnZSBpcyBvbmUgb2YgdGhlIGJlc3QgZXZlbnRzIGF0IFJBLCB3ZSBhdHRlbmQgZXZlcnkgeWVhci7CoCAKSSBsb29rIGZvcndhcmQgdG8gbWVldGluZyB5b3UgYWxsIGFuZCBwdXR0aW5nIHNvbWUgZmFjZXMgdG8gZS1tYWlsIG5hbWVzIcKgwqAKwqBJIGRvbid0IHRoaW5rIEkgY2FuIGdldCBteSBUUjYgYmFjayB0b2dldGhlciBpbiB0aW0BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 13:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Smith To: Joe Alexander , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Kastner Cup 2013. Road America. 6-8 September 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe Thanks for this information, I'll certainly sign up my father and I, the September vintage is one of the best events at RA, we attend every year. I look forward to meeting you all and putting some faces to e-mail names! I don't think I can get my TR6 back together in time for the event so please don't shun the guys in the grey Mustang! Thanks again Joe! Steve Jasmine/Black '69 ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: Shawn Frank Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [TR] Kastner Cup 2013. Road America. 6-8 September 2013 Are you planning on going to the 11th Running of The Kastner Cup? Would you like to save some money and increase your participation? Register with VSCDA as a Crew Member of the Friends of Triumph! $40.00 will get you: Crew Status with The Kastner/Brock TR250K for the entire weekend. Hanging out with Kas & Peg at the FOT Garages at Turn 14 An event poster you can have Kas sign. Your own Paddock area for Triumphs Only inside of Turn 5 Friday Nite Triumph Car Show and Welcome Dinner at the Track. $85.00 will get you the above and: Track Touring one session on Saturday or Sunday The 'Old Course Reenactment' in conjunction with the Gathering On The Green (Sat) Pre-Kastner Cup Pace Lap prior to the race. Go to FOT-racing.com/ website and click on Driver & Crew Information for printable form, fill it out and send it to VSCDA as directed. This is a special deal and a peak experience in the Kastner Cup Series of 11 years. Please forward this offer to you clubs, forms, and other friends. August deadline......... Thanks. Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dogzbody1@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 15:13:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A594D40427 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3182403C6 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6A1BB70086C7B; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 17:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 0AFA1E000086; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) References: <1373230353.54527.YahooMailNeo@web160804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:02:23 -0500 To: Steve Smith x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373230943; bh=PMob+n5atTZkn9PEVKcXvoSGaIqU4BNb3ZcvLicGuoA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=SV0T3lHI98vFwRy7W9V4+M9eg0V5sOAaK8DPKiEDv1aUtdOqMieSI5PotGJwhBoko piNjxPbayvuFbm9ADPoHoP1uq3iiHAnW0fUdyeY4IPwZ1DP1IexQQ3KVfG/NtqMLza RE4ubdQ604xdnewO+BZVSgLsVp6Y6Zs234EOybf8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c451d9d75e4d28 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Kastner Cup 2013. Road America. 6-8 September 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Steve, Thanks for the reply. This KCup has taken on a life of it's own. I can't explain it, but it has. It is a premium event, developed over the years, by VSCDA and the Kornelis. The last time TRs were featured was in 1996. Our time has come, the worlds align, and we will will shine. Regards, Joe A Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Hi Joe > > Thanks for this information, I'll certainly sign up my father and I, the September vintage is one of the best events at RA, we attend every year. > I look forward to meeting you all and putting some faces to e-mail names! > I don't think I can get my TR6 back together in time for the event so please don't shun the guys in the grey Mustang! > > Thanks again Joe! > Steve > > Jasmine/Black '69 > > > From: Joe Alexander > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Cc: Shawn Frank > Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:00 PM > Subject: [TR] Kastner Cup 2013. Road America. 6-8 September 2013 > > Are you planning on going to the 11th Running of The Kastner Cup? > > Would you like to save some money and increase your participation? > > Register with VSCDA as a Crew Member of the Friends of Triumph! > > $40.00 will get you: > > Crew Status with The Kastner/Brock TR250K for the entire weekend. > Hanging out with Kas & Peg at the FOT Garages at Turn 14 > An event poster you can have Kas sign. > Your own Paddock area for Triumphs Only inside of Turn 5 > Friday Nite Triumph Car Show and Welcome Dinner at the Track. > > $85.00 will get you the above and: > > Track Touring one session on Saturday or Sunday > The 'Old Course Reenactment' in conjunction with the Gathering On The Green > (Sat) > Pre-Kastner Cup Pace Lap prior to the race. > > Go to FOT-racing.com/ website and click on Driver & Crew Information for > printable form, fill it out and send it to VSCDA as directed. > > This is a special deal and a peak experience in the Kastner Cup Series of 11 > years. > > Please forward this offer to you clubs, forms, and other friends. > > August deadline......... > > Thanks. > > Joe Alexander > Friends of Triumph > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dogzbody1@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 19:54:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BAC403D5 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 19:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B502403C7 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 19:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id y6so3266069lbh.9 for ; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 18:53:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=P7sVgb4Ty0Psnf/lblbR2gI9IHRrnNWJfQlvtyn8cbU=; b=znTN1KVEEj8ZerI4+99zuZUkCOtS2ktJ7sL0VgwXUbSHf3fLkFOBN3g47N7DaCD0XE /QZtOnxyQgSvucpCPf6NfRs3R9NLEdX//rQCLe+PG8QCPSUblApdJwY8muk15/A1zWQr aUgNevzVxTSiGrtSdQIUwQXmPER+2l4DdSntpShW/GgvTR8x9DI8cZFfsL1cX/ogfHSe LDkiXN8HB8XAuUkQqKiaM0Ij/fcXEFvQncPShOYSwaFTAK9JuW5O44ch3vvpEPvK/Q94 o6j1kojtOzacJ8Lua4RudbKu0yxmEpOTCo1papjZmNQ0Rx2fbOvncSCZ601BFdkt493X 67+A== k8mr9644067lae.25.1373248428028; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 18:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 18:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 18:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 21:53:47 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Good day today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got up early and moved mulch from 6 to 10am. After a recoup, i went to my buddy's place to work on the tr3. We touched up the paint. Cleaned the front half of the frame and painted it. I ran tbe new harness and terminated the engine compartment. Then came the motor/trans. We got that in, in no time. It's not my car or my project, but I'm having a great time. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 21:03:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E00C40416 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 21:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD0E403DF for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 21:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 03:01:50 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.75] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 03:01:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp237.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 03:01:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373252510; bh=SJWmrLY5df/wQn3cRJekqCyx7qDxiSKnc2QygZFEujM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=5Dz8NzWAESRDOl91nQ4QgfqbIE8c6I+ELRO1NaMroTcrbFe1h7fpmjs67VVHZpRia+g+3OdFEoZPoI/YDUw1HAMCLwb0Ui2Kzt1E96JdnRxufox6gOnfTqstkbWCro9Vl8Y+OJn+dWtrkbKC2WREef4mQEoS3/pc2nS+6SzXOic= wc9OREbQi6B9NofnhupdcX.aYaD5xFd6scLb7M1pzK3fFnaufTm9DLbWduLB ..qhyAk17CxcCaBk.XHRcbS8MA4FTnp7.Qp2sIR.o0wjBK7p.vvKqUIrTDpa jE87n6dTFaaOI7h1iCpqtMp8W888Zm8a09HHBGUBhkEMHcdTBwJd99uAsBB4 H8jyqYSOokIwk2HlA_vj.lKiQHfmEUkWH0MFQWQaiKNq9XbEUizKn9jPn80d FrvbfJxk_AYMUTRGriJY3IY152lhyNtuZb267in8d37l.n1uNfs_MlfPhdFM OoTz4GsSKbJRU5DTkhrWjfPDXkdaz1G9C14mAWlGpqExckoaXH0fg4YOYcb7 RjGdynlt9ijEPY7c7cL0vzi_8Y85QJVaGS6U_LdOfArX3XdIkpLX5FYIdVBM 8TOOI0fffgRUuHsVy2b3yZL1O8usO1mXdyb7L0Ifa4ouqppPlGz1g2YH69DX aSL48YoNr9bg1MzABgsb1hFY6IohM7.3hCzRYGQ2uDD73GsbXxN5tAqFiS92 Vm2zZiRXY4t9dBH5dWuEtc5wK2XsuojjfZ2mGtsDWiokChkhh2vA4C5t2cVV 2kkiDuV0- smtp237.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jul 2013 03:01:50 +0000 UTC References: From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 22:01:46 -0500 To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Good day today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Excellent day! Sometimes I enjoy working on other people's cars more than my own. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > Got up early and moved mulch from 6 to 10am. After a recoup, i went to my > buddy's place to work on the tr3. We touched up the paint. Cleaned the > front half of the frame and painted it. I ran tbe new harness and > terminated the engine compartment. > > Then came the motor/trans. We got that in, in no time. > > It's not my car or my project, but I'm having a great time. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 8 05:40:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1104040B for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 05:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206BF40356 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 05:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B290470000094 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 88A9EE000081 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:40:13 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373283613; bh=rLMsQP1J9g21VNSmmAhYxD0D10eK6iSCV07kemUDCUU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jsu/aGxUetAyFCWib2elSZQvVweWow+w1pPiguWpLu66bAEazRY25oz/QMYo2f2bF QO12oXeJoeY2U8eeAlKJnQF21NHPkuJKvv1lxCgKrabpqdLtB0OoR2QcWJGQu8Vay4 hxdqTmgW5FnEKqw3/M6MO/wS2ISgQV+NjlE0p8OY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51daa51d3501 Subject: Re: [TR] Good day today Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Best of both worlds. You get to work on a neat car and it's not your money! Enjoy. Dave In a message dated 7/7/2013 8:53:56 PM Central Daylight Time, ccsimonsen@gmail.com writes: > Got up early and moved mulch from 6 to 10am. After a recoup, i went to my > buddy's place to work on the tr3. We touched up the paint. Cleaned the > front half of the frame and painted it. I ran tbe new harness and > terminated the engine compartment. > > Then came the motor/trans. We got that in, in no time. > > It's not my car or my project, but I'm having a great time. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 8 11:33:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A57D40512 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 11:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1139C403FA for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 11:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.54]) by hrndva-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130707033351608.HGFM20270@hrndva-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 03:33:51 +0000 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=C607YvcllvoA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ze96msxwglxYkKg2h7kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=irOFdQdeRgrAfp7P:21 a=jGcNGuBy2FxSZwr5:21 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:57453] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 82/03-09005-261E8D15; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 03:32:50 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Bud R" References: <028001ce7a94$957a93f0$c06fbbd0$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 22:32:52 -0500 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just drilled the extra hole all at once, quarter inch, grade 8 bolt with a nyloc nut. The shaft is pretty hard steel, I am mr. cheapo, but it definitely pays to go to the hardware store and buy a new expensive drill bit for the job. Good Luck, Greg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bud R" Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:57 PM To: "James Henningsen" Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin > Jim, you can do it. Drill the hole for the fork first and then use > that as a guide for drilling the shaft. It doesn't have to be THAT > precise as you're installing a bolt with a nut. Guaranteed you will > sleep better if you do this mod. And as an added bonus you won't have > to be precise about the torque on the original clutch fork pin. Snug > tight will be good enough. > > > Bud > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 2013, at 4:03 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > >> I have a new clutch fork and hardened pin from Moss. How tight do I >> tighten >> this pin into the fork? Is there a torque setting? Should any >> threads be >> showing? I didn't really want to have the cross shaft and fork >> drilled for >> the bolt upgrade as I don't have a drill press and knowing me, I >> would ruin >> it. Aren't there upgraded hardened pins grade 8 and shouldn't they >> work >> fine? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jim Henningsen >> >> Ocala FL >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> 75 TR6 >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 8 14:59:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EF14044B for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AB2403E4 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([69.199.94.211]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id xwuA1l00P4ZdcfZ01wuBrb; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:54:12 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <028001ce7a94$957a93f0$c06fbbd0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:53:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net and probably everyone but me knew that you should oil the drill bit periodically -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lemon Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:32 PM To: Bud R Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin I just drilled the extra hole all at once, quarter inch, grade 8 bolt with a nyloc nut. The shaft is pretty hard steel, I am mr. cheapo, but it definitely pays to go to the hardware store and buy a new expensive drill bit for the job. Good Luck, Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 8 20:35:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311C840512 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B24040B for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130708212017543.SHVC27091@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:20:17 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=C607YvcllvoA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=-n2Nkloy9VC2O-RUwAUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=mSaSQyeSaU4A:10 a=k59sPG0fQksA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:58183] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E8/71-14128-ACC2BD15; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:19:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:19:06 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave wrote: > and probably everyone but me knew that you should oil the drill bit > periodically And "cutting oil" (got mine @ Home Depot) will help more than just whatever's in the oil can. But anything (even baby oil) is better than nothing. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 9 15:01:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7365B40530 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D92F4039F for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B57A1909 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:00:32 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TSI clutch disc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On another list folks have been discussing various clutch options for racing. Ted Schumacher provides heavy duty clutch discs. Wish I would have had one in Killer at the, I think Hudson, WI, VTR meet where our OEM disk was in the process of tearing itself apart. If I had a dollar for every time folks said I should bleed the system or check the thrust washers every time the gears ground I could buy a dozen of these! http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=159 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 07:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C4D40534 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 07:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE9403E6 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 07:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id v19so9996051obq.35 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 06:51:43 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=bujtrutIn4x8Pwp48PNCarh7ruTOdwM/6t98a+0ddsk=; b=w3kii1x4THkTE3t5JEbYYB93uKsWA05ZCFX/fwBUkMDCapDc6JtC89m2w8Wc9jHniL eKUmpEVdamsNTaEdHai5Z65wmk0IOx3seLy0dN0wjsnxqi+mdbuljM74GoAwfnmhjBvN ob5c4J4y6XmKvzjHxe/Aq0FVfm9F8OszwKh9z5vp281SxtuJgWgihV6mykFdRybyt3aZ ExTek+FbFL/rnstNnZ7s7l0TDOtDMK/rNWodFnndPnkLumW9/Tk/0yNbT2UqSYBGo0kY 6mqZSXgw5fkSCdMGvTBTlGf2xE8VMckG77r9uiGvcNOyRRM95wtNIWTXX7m7FwN7OZW+ C9Hw== t6mr31558112oej.39.1373550703184; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 06:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o8sm14118109obx.11.2013.07.11.06.51.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jul 2013 06:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:51:47 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5+PXHOGPBK/CmQRGaQOwe/6W6flQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dumb question #72. Which way does a new trunk seal go on the trunk? The seal has a higher edge on the top. Does the higher edge go on the inside of the trunk lip or the outside. I can't find a pic and didn't take a photo when I took it off 18 months ago. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 CT5212LO Ocala FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 08:29:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB7E4054A for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DCB403DE for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-1908.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.247.116]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UxHs8-0007Ua-0n for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:29:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:29:31 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2 - very stiff choke cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: I think this has been visited before, but having a real problem with the chokes on my rebuilt SU's (H4). Can't get the cable to even budge the chokes. Even pulled the knob off the cable while tugging on the cable. I have rebuilt the carbs, polished and lightly lubed the jets, installed a new cable but still no luck in getting the chokes to even budge. I can move the chokes by hand, although they are stiff. Someone suggested just using the front choke and disconnecting the choke linkage to the rear carb. A practical solution? Car should still start and get to a workable 'choke off' temp. Any help with this one?? Thanks, Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 08:43:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1594054E for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF9C40395 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k14so11184980oag.26 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=83hrwPwUWa6CX2It9RKuoSxFPkFUvHI4/eKaNP/ja+E=; b=FDpI1uVDuhTqAu6LQKDhZvJMxNLSDHBEH7Op7AEFN8HxvZ+j2zWHuNSSBQ1gjss46U sRITFt5YsAppwbDUzQi6A5MziC+6MXk2KPEp3r+7oSbvyjVWJrx5+GG5bBP6glYclrLr ObsLAiNM72J/2VwJC4dsyShu88zTdVqABSF6fLDqGBj7AZry0pVUPLW4jtpqxRKn0qB0 l774LOq1C0fiX88N2HaxEOV69SFumSVWMft1pn6T4WaWt6yE8UKBLE2Cw1YOiIjlk6Tq 5mx5hsIplviv7EKkoShAlWAGvBbb7aVEl2BiPGbyilYaBTLt6EfWnZAOi5OzRodYOiRD giqA== u3mr10227474obs.8.1373553750401; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qa4sm50389620oeb.5.2013.07.11.07.42.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jul 2013 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:42:34 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5+RKKqfoJHXADKSeSS4YNid5HGqw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Found the answer to the trunk seal issue. The cross section is shaped like an "h" and the high part of the h goes to the outside. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 09:29:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97F340527 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:29:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C952403E6 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:24:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w15so658406vbf.7 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:24:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1WfRMdP7O6FrqEVHSeB4W2d9WoUuRD9gKDJmrFkzbCA=; b=bqdrAg7+rQfW2qsNdGdGUWadO0K1aQiYAfht5kIee1blOpNN+mPFmpRoNzAVdbuLm2 Suk3/EpYIdzVhkEip9ZlBX6uZ2xdBXgHxJWBUb/ekynebjchLyf1feTyn3J0cITrpr8z D21kouMzwftiBHJSQ7A/VXDmI1MQej8/PYVA1k6IYm7hkHjoOnkoyymY2kKFPMHtZ8Kc UWn4AcaU2F5V3M2pFkaPRuQEU7drAMCGCxiRhjz+pDu2nF2RL7TrtClSFPXD29ZnK12j q052qE0FbAQrEJySNFy/JGuudddhKaqzKVf3OxgEcpz5xniHC6uaG7HPkRun5gcrSlAg Kj8w== kx9mr17899157vdb.50.1373556298368; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:24:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <002e01ce7e44$e2ba9e40$a82fdac0$@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:24:58 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim -- FWIW - there seems to be more than one seal profile being sold -- Seal 1 Seal 2 So if you have questions as you proceed (such as how do you keep the darn thing from pulling loose when you close the lid?) it may help to specify which seal you have. Geo On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:42 AM, James Henningsen wrote: > Found the answer to the trunk seal issue. The cross section is shaped like > an "h" and the high part of the h goes to the outside. > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > Ocala FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 09:43:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB72A4054E for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B64403E6 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id lj1so8015126pab.17 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:40:16 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=eurTM4C1A+wA7hNkR9YMyqMGNXFbSt6OBoDlG+4d5rc=; b=L/uv4ehzuV+DT6XnchBnU/uhHSgD12iYqElny62u0/+z/todybt4ecyjS6Y/wkOCoD vQ9WEg0q2rNv8cbToMyWtDWYxM+NYUfOHFMYTRqxNBnexvV3Ag/cI9YjYD01JwlA0CEo WZ4PhL9tqecPuQyk93ydSk58GBYZCYJYNTtP+uMC1M76htQaxf59UAfRlYV4EKY3ubbP iV4QlmzsW3lMeGPqrM2BwQADgNPCyljnxweS4u8MSMe/tQkEu4BIK8RiyNBfb9SjxDx1 kHoDCsbiybmWyFLVRgdp1e8gNBLrzxK5KSGpQCxS3RUBBuwHoZ041Gn0/IQfr2iDBg5S uwVg== qr10mr881914pbb.158.1373557216396; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qu10sm40351312pbb.12.2013.07.11.08.40.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:40:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <002e01ce7e44$e2ba9e40$a82fdac0$@gmail.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:40:12 -0400 To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mine is from TRF and looks like second one. Called Dave at TRF and he said high part of the h of their seal goes on the outside of the lip. In any event I put it on this am. I hope it sticks cause that weatherstrip stuff is a mess to deal with. Jim Henningsen Sent from my iPad On Jul 11, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Jim -- > > FWIW - there seems to be more than one seal profile being sold -- > > Seal 1 > > Seal 2 > > So if you have questions as you proceed (such as how do you keep the darn thing from pulling loose when you close the lid?) it may help to specify which seal you have. > > Geo > > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:42 AM, James Henningsen wrote: >> Found the answer to the trunk seal issue. The cross section is shaped like >> an "h" and the high part of the h goes to the outside. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Henningsen >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> 75 TR6 >> >> Ocala FL >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 10:03:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705F240527 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B3A40338 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id db10so7216441veb.26 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0yCfrGf2Z66GcT5OEBsJ1q6iiFoM2TFNc9CpQpTsU14=; b=PYRFpmTrgAn+JYYbcBVrusiLPF6HbxY+XyNqL8UhMNH1I0x1eOpUb18vjoOctGcTe7 1vjJhSwK7/gslPZKC0nGO0ibyur6GjkO0cnBflhuUlurId4HSbhSMgyLUD9SMonF1cMN sjZ8VE0qPTu4Wp3GS+9TPM2Y6KUFxjwicTMMni5xkM7vIXIhfbo58SWcHlYlZArXADUv emAaZlD/GzGVKRkMvVBuphg9NVyVeq1F3JfOCeo+/45jCNGiZ15hsVtOKHDxXQcKXNDH MJcp7xG4vrlJ+REC052I1xmKEZtxXZ7TVUBkM+hv9RDK3WELKCsWtni3HxJ28Ey5wa5O a6cA== Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <002e01ce7e44$e2ba9e40$a82fdac0$@gmail.com> <9E1DA03B-3EE9-48C5-889F-2C61346DA022@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:02:41 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jim Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - The 2nd is also what I used. Hope it stays put for you -- I finally had to use Gorilla Glue to keep it from pulling loose along the lower edge when the lid was closed. Geo On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote: > Mine is from TRF and looks like second one. Called Dave at TRF and he > said high part of the h of their seal goes on the outside of the lip. In > any event I put it on this am. I hope it sticks cause that weatherstrip > stuff is a mess to deal with. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 11:24:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EE640546 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936F240533 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 789EC700A641B for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.5]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3F36AE000081 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373562955; bh=7elkpwycFoDA12GRDW8Dbq5ZY54bHkUzr3T2NZQTArQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hAe7hiMK/wD9yCc2kfMeoXWK0E1fqki4FoDr9mKbbiqc60REO43T2K6QpdxfW3WAg Tc+Z/EfBJSiEIJU4RInAJoka2hpVbhQojkgQHq/hCffnC3Wj+BIY3QJOM//W/U34mu ISY2U/UJwucAYmW/5IQKVr9YVkIdWk265rsglZXs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51dee84b5b79 Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 - very stiff choke cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not much help, I'm afraid but a suggestion: if the choke cable is long enough to require some loops or arcs to accommodate the extra length you might try shortening the cable so that the run is as straight as practical. This will reduce the friction of the cable moving in the sheath. Dave In a message dated 7/11/2013 9:29:34 AM Central Daylight Time, agraham@execulink.com writes: > I think this has been visited before, but having a real problem with the > chokes on my rebuilt SU's (H4). Can't get the cable to even budge the > chokes. Even pulled the knob off the cable while tugging on the cable. I > have rebuilt the carbs, polished and lightly lubed the jets, installed a > new cable but still no luck in getting the chokes to even budge. I can > move the chokes by hand, although they are stiff. > Someone suggested just using the front choke and disconnecting the choke > linkage to the rear carb. A practical solution? Car should still start > and get to a workable 'choke off' temp. > Any help with this one?? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 11:34:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5371C40549 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717C2403DE for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z2eT1l0020QkzPwA95aAUg; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:34:10 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z5aA1l0010GAcNo8N5aAjq; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:34:10 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <51DEC14B.4070508@execulink.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:34:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5+Q7JSjjJI3fhdRae9s0czhB381QAF/Bxg Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1373564050; bh=9KVvwOc4acW8hA/pek9/C1FykKhQuLSeoejfVgFP6jk=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=apZ760mOPAqiXMbIKQGE8V9SrRWRmUlFtm02vZdP9UyDN0t6mbOMhZYtMT5kpq3vI faB7UdD+fSv4Ze8Pu0PlHVGx7vIf8TVSiOuU8FPgsz4ZdIFEMk3BRSvlv/elyMIyvY 7SeEGCFThYuoTVHWLtkTZ8IkPJ+TQLmu3gOvAnIyyq3X//4CcZeDcg173Sb7apVf0R X73w+pQMxDjb5LfyyFhlxT648baKK+2vMJ6AovoiE2oGlo6pkOZNjTnYq5hhrttyAZ ISHIiWgOSaSRuOoFEr3t1crX0dlTTSOdYpyMDngn5oK0N1wbPRVxtGl6EIIXm9s+gQ JZJEsm7iYnqJA== Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 - very stiff choke cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo, I had the same problem, get the jets loose enough to move freely and they leak. First thing to do, however, is isolate the problem. I would suggest disconnecting the cable and making sure that it moves easily when not attached to the carbs. Routing around the battery box can cause kinks that bind the cable. I seem to remember having to shorten the cable to get it to work right, of course I have a TR3A so there may be some differences. I also took the inner cable out and coated it with graphite which seemed to help. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:30 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2 - very stiff choke cable Hello List: I think this has been visited before, but having a real problem with the chokes on my rebuilt SU's (H4). Can't get the cable to even budge the chokes. Even pulled the knob off the cable while tugging on the cable. I have rebuilt the carbs, polished and lightly lubed the jets, installed a new cable but still no luck in getting the chokes to even budge. I can move the chokes by hand, although they are stiff. Someone suggested just using the front choke and disconnecting the choke linkage to the rear carb. A practical solution? Car should still start and get to a workable 'choke off' temp. Any help with this one?? Thanks, Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 12:49:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0D5403DE for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAC340395 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id eb20so6988353lab.29 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=bTIwQXJC/Fj1B7ZFzzwIxnUO+9DDVuWxurnWHp5z/k4=; b=EzNgKk5m7qzXtJvg/t2FSI1k5nFBxjyrziAg9Ltgan7cMP0GxU7QUxlVtOpX3+6HEt FJhQnPYmRxlHOy6M2x6hq45H7Bs+2uGcICrwjWsXjPrqHdW3Qg/8hzXQMq1z1jwn2aFD +haeo7GV8Prf6CZrpREYddoO5cAYh7m9N6WFOGEz4hdlLY42RNgKogtA+xc2I4NBqELK Qnx9VEyKRoVKUOoeHfAuNdbFdeQwzI+qYYN+ATLKFvDMO8yGA+kz8mbWzjmZDvPn1ASW 821HysjILzFvuA4nNsxPOgW1C4Xd/v+J3MmJwEKWBWWywYw9jQL068ehSjyVkbZsEREK b5Vw== 2mr17015724lbm.76.1373568522437; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:48:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <002e01ce7e44$e2ba9e40$a82fdac0$@gmail.com> <9E1DA03B-3EE9-48C5-889F-2C61346DA022@gmail.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:48:22 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I ended up going with the TR6 trunk seal on the TR4, I could never get the trunk lid to close ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 15:07:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ACD4054D for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9272140395 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4BDDE700A4F7B; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.188.45.137] (149.sub-70-194-201.myvzw.com [70.194.201.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id BE9D4E000139; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:06:48 -0400 (EDT) References: <002e01ce7e44$e2ba9e40$a82fdac0$@gmail.com> <9E1DA03B-3EE9-48C5-889F-2C61346DA022@gmail.com> From: Darrell Floyd Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:06:49 -0400 To: Chris Simo x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373576809; bh=xSapUMZIFCopWca1GOXth2foAhYDLThYtUJ/yBQ5Eq8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=RWWXgBYzYhyyj/OZkZ7YHGc2rNZZ/zOeumQlplrLqFCBwHYqr1bH75Ki8HuQiz9m4 kWGGUr+HnLKn0+0Y9Bq1NJJQM4TN+Q2Ah4d8Rtam83ub3bp63jYi2fsLKZJilNqWqH PgHt1IpdS+MmUJUynNXBg5lmfOVfrp3Cu3AUowNE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294451df1e684503 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Trunk Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I also used a TR6 trunk seal on the Tr250. Darrell Sent from my iPad On Jul 11, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > I ended up going with the TR6 trunk seal on the TR4, I could never get the > trunk lid to close > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 19:10:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23A74053D for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CEF40381 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id gw10so7223787lab.2 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:10:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WDuYPOyBmNgD8/y9OUp4v3AvJndhD8LSzKaDeJBUCc0=; b=nJIecTLBEwA6ASMziuMmdu7KvnK9hBnnLpo+EQRtyPGYOxJ09fOaFavIm519H2u6Sh 8nnY3HyVMg1njkBXm+HGt3zivbveOGhaHqEXHD0XCT50PuXU+hmWBFknZYVBCucE60x9 PeSA1kWBlLd44UvW8nK1Rta9EgpMpNsf84i9ho4x+uIIDGvYjgKeW/jw9S4XK32oGVdP KaSWB+4DDRqc8RFaO2gmiwV4JPuKLNUI9WTemVBd6G1+5QeafjCPDPxvnCOrdUTwIjY5 ETpy6DIVhECrSGcKPzqUarPw1CsGtzFDdjRpsZitg2MEDIikTVfEDjkhlE8PLFJTjQts H9hA== c6mr18555868lae.13.1373591422517; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:10:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <51DEC14B.4070508@execulink.com> <001001ce7e5c$dd9825f0$98c871d0$@net> From: Chris Simo Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:10:01 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 - very stiff choke cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Me too. I ended up keeing them a bit loose and letting them leak a bit until the cork was soaked up and then tightened bit by bit until they stopped leaking and the choke still worked. I must admit - I still have the odd brown stain on the inner fender well where gas drips.... I intend to try some viton orings instead of the cork. I think Randall had good luck with those on the H6. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 19:18:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031640553 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67E840381 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2013 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.10] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2013 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2013 01:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 86965 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2013 01:18:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373591895; bh=nm3Lgy5J3JsH/o2t8WEeRSi89UIkQY7vNHQ1bSTdOW0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UY/cfCRctEGi14rHALmDyG45RyBw390AS82ehJ6qcyHy3/Rr7GsU4LbY/xTSvkpDnLZ/9Z+SDCw+8JDEj1roMNc7cdtflBLRUxnWK0Na9j9qOlvNgBEV7E1Adm6y5XTdl8Lsl/+E8spn0ZXAHK7pcrpIASB3dkASJtG5VwosMmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yYGzuyJ+UG7nXIJbtxnTAjymf4myYwSOQ/val1fbThIPQQDyWigRSCDxckh3A5ceChVfQ0+ME6trJQr1/KFp8+gJoV2qJvO9e1m58ppmmmFSlJDEjvsj2NNd+8KwB6aApNQ1Y898ARQ/w7jHsyCnnvuFeZtD1s4B/Z3qfeR4dxs= ; xxOrnsBbtkLdjbsF0KAKKUsV.hi_gEJkchy1NvAEVgEbnoe9ghTzQqJRSV3f WX59pe_of23rMZRRfl2tuW6DoOSnAYXygwz7w_O3GHF50saFOnLlEhihINoR 9ZahbClVlAsDQmtL46vXukNa5j9Dc_vI_jHIokjMxk7bkseDizYDf2Di_Z2N KInhNQ96vM5YNJbw1tLlC0Cr_cBRadRNBl.aIz1puQ3ZITrbaCvgbiipbNZk hkQOLbrOY_vOQJjs2.HW_kRy3S.W4AVyg3x8xYr6mWZx.yPPtEfNnQiyxy.G bIdEefoekTdGNijaBdYjFOIhh0aSydWLUdyo3jF2aCrom0J.5oxhZExn4RqN IOvQUqXuG9ov6yCJlzczDjKYGHihKW_sHUreJDOU5usyNBxOIs4WVpsUNqTJ Xo1QQ6KdjatX9Tu1cBFiZL_9FOSUAs5EJqNjLMAWzUN023BtSnYF3P4T3gcE ZMRHPkI6YiXqK_7Y4aZ7ZXFy29KsvsX.aV.6azw48QAGMac5Kk2ZHvOit8AC FfVYYczPMLuUNYWFdKamlcoAEElbDvQ-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:18:15 PDT T25lIHRoaW5nIEkgbm90aWNlZCBkdXJpbmcgZmlyc3QgZHJpdmVzIGFmdGVyIHJlc3RvcmF0aW9uIGluIG15IHRyLTMgaXMgYSBzaWduaWZpY2FudCB2aWJyYXRpb24gYXQgaGlnaHdheSBzcGVlZC7CoCBJJ3ZlIHRyaWVkIHRvIGlzb2xhdGUgYnkgY29hc3Rpbmcgb3V0IG9mIGdlYXIgYW5kIGVuZ2luZSB0dXJuZWQgb2ZmIGFuZCBpdCBzdGlsbCBoYXBwZW5zLCBzbyBJJ20gcHJldHR5IHN1cmUgaXRzIGRyaXZlc2hhZnQuwqAgQW0gaW4gdGhlIHByb2Nlc3Mgb2YgcmVtb3ZpbmdoZSBkcml2ZSBzaGFmdCBpbiABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One thing I noticed during first drives after restoration in my tr-3 is a significant vibration at highway speed. I've tried to isolate by coasting out of gear and engine turned off and it still happens, so I'm pretty sure its driveshaft. Am in the process of removinghe drive shaft in order to check that out. I've always been curious about a weight that is attached to the tail shaft of my transmission. The weight is attached by a steel band around the tranny tailshaft. The weight itself is round with a hole through the middle that keeps it attached. If I remember right the bolt holding the weight was loose when I removed it so the weight could spin. When I re-attached it I tightened it down tight so it can't move. My question is. Could this weight on the tail shaft be part of my vibration problem? Could I simply remove it and go without it? (of the several other trannys I've seen I've never seen this weight so I wonder if it is necessary). If the weight is needed how is it attached? Tight or loose? Thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 19:39:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFE44054D for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAD540381 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail207-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.245) by CH1EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.43.70.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:38:49 +0000 Received: from mail207-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail207-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8E23600E4; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:38:48 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail207-ch1: domain of uga.edu designates 157.56.240.245 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.240.245; envelope-from=mathews@uga.edu; helo=BL2PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail207-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail207-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1373593109889144_4041; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.253]) by mail207-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB08D4A004A; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.245) by CH1EHSMHS013.bigfish.com (10.43.70.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:38:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (50.96.75.123) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.106.167) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.329.3; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:38:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:38:27 -0400 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Gary Nafziger References: <1373591895.85727.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, Have you ruled out tires out of balance or out of line? even with the engine off, they'd still could be the issue. Does it happen once you reach a certain speed? Also, have you downshifted once the vibration starts to see if its related to engine speed? I you speed up once the vibration starts does it change? just some thoughts. Doug p.s. I seem to remember some comments about a vibration damper which I think was described similar to weight on the tail shaft. Take a look at this: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rahtr4/8thewholesetup.jpg On 7/11/2013 9:18 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > One thing I noticed during first drives after restoration in my tr-3 is a > significant vibration at highway speed. I've tried to isolate by coasting out > of gear and engine turned off and it still happens, so I'm pretty sure its > driveshaft. Am in the process of removinghe drive shaft in order to check > that out. > > I've always been curious about a weight that is attached to the > tail shaft of my transmission. The weight is attached by a steel band around > the tranny tailshaft. The weight itself is round with a hole through the > middle that keeps it attached. If I remember right the bolt holding the > weight was loose when I removed it so the weight could spin. When I > re-attached it I tightened it down tight so it can't move. > > My question is. > Could this weight on the tail shaft be part of my vibration problem? Could I > simply remove it and go without it? (of the several other trannys I've seen > I've never seen this weight so I wonder if it is necessary). If the weight is > needed how is it attached? Tight or loose? > > Thanks > > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mathews@uga.edu ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 11 19:48:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86AE403F2 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4CD40381 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id zDnd1l00353lu5001DndQ7; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:47:38 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Gary Nafziger" , References: <1373591895.85727.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:47:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net vibration imho is usually a u joint, often the drive shaft. twice I've suffered such, and both times its been the driveshaft these people - http://www.inlandtruck.com/ have local offices in many cities. I took it to them; the guy said it was "s" shaped, and then I got a 15 minute dissertation on u joints! was very pleased with the results and it wasn't expensive. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 04:09:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11106403EC for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:09:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4C8403EC for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 13so7528544lba.16 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:08:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eE6+aN//qRUtyrtag2WgT8Gc2g7YfT2KAMCHQRbxN80=; b=Q+uOaflBMKzWe0a7NIcwn+wzV8vHli1f6KMnZbVrKPEbrxgsyw5EmDAaTTIw0Y/tUk dmoFEqzYKVs6uGZRHbmdU3a+cGW1MqIhC87SDCilig/GqqLlQvMHiQmaXCCtbFhNUdHk n+5fAFGl1Xb6poJwrToBj9lvR3lG5oE9D8+1dfu1Fqzed4QU2gX22eRJxdqYUxAR4qTT 3+GFESHhFQo08gzi3UuTOw1lxqh3sHJ9ABJ6C/UCHZns/K8GtZwbuTKSv9WgH5qbw5u7 8hRMYlFsqEFUdDnkse66wdGLvSUpL0UWaCy+Z44UiJzUeX6jCaihZjLpH9BSF706e1OJ UMQQ== rk6mr18948320lbb.50.1373623707272; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:08:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <1373591895.85727.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 06:08:26 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I also have used a fleet trucking supply company to do driveshaft work, including balancing. Wheels out of round, balanced incorrectly (wire wheels need special attention) , alignment, are some other things that come to mind. My car had a nasty shake that came on at 55 mph and stopped at 68.... I dont know what fixed it, but during the rebuild, i rebushed with new trunnions , replaced 2 out of spec rims, and replaced the hula dancing idler arm.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 11:33:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D57F40546 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DB1403D3 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i4so13249680oah.10 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:32:42 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=exQFJJJGCk2Vb6bK8xCXZs7EFmEaLswonFvEjQKvVKQ=; b=n28S9uaaEMvIp7Z+OEeDUKsnl1eGRjiVRR3pJlFznAlIje/7O2fVeK1xqSqtG+EsAz o9eOwv7tnbeuG7190zvT8GA6UD2Db83wMcU+6NGeex0dvnaDvPjMcVfCr5Vn9C8K2jVK SqV3LLh1QebUwNmPRLVWSu8qWyt0lL57xOZXbOB+j5qBfyTC4exoPRrXdL/ZazpjyXJF HXxw9TWz3LvUdXWR7+LRkSn8nnqMv2hN8MTXjLxFMct4B3mEfsvruHGS2PN9u18TG6OE 7ZRgrHy+Kdke0F1rVDGLYXqrfrfO5F5YTWWNe8NlEPC0yKnhf324/IyCCZpwSVU0j+JP Bv/A== wp7mr36528445obc.67.1373650362258; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id el16sm56801980oeb.2.2013.07.12.10.32.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:32:49 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5/JNXS/M/udBw+SUupzQCuktVoqA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Clutch Fork Pin Upgrade Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone with their tips on installing the bolt and nut upgrade for the clutch fork. I installed the fork on the shaft, screwed in the hardened pin and used a punch to get a nice starting point on the flat side of the fork. I tried one of my existing < inch drill bits and it wasnt cutting much. I had a new one ready per list recommendation and with some cutting oil it went through like butta. I didnt even have to use a vise. The new bit made a huge difference. Did it on my bench with a block of wood underneath. Eyeballed the angle, drilled and voila. I used a < inch grade 8 bolt, locknut and washer. Works great! Turns out the 3m super weather stripping adhesive is not so super. It didnt want to stick to parts of the rubber seal for the trunk lid. May need to use some gorilla glue to try and get that pesky seal to stay in place. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 13:18:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C206540442 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-ss-683.bluehost.com (outbound-ss-683.bluehost.com [74.220.194.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A679F40079 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15152 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2013 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy3.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.72) by soproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2013 19:17:56 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.64); Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:17:56 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=57087 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxiqq-0005Bk-5P; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:17:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:17:55 -0500 To: Gary Nafziger , "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: Tony Drews > References: <1373591895.85727.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The weight on the tranny is to help with gearshift vibration as I recall. Others have had excellent suggestions. One thing I'd like to throw in the mix is: "what is the frequency of the vibration?". If it's a wheel out of balance or out of true it seems like you'd have a pretty low frequency vibration. I just replaced a failed U-joint on my TR-4 racer and that one was a pretty high frequency vibration - in my case the vibration quit when I was off the power. The frequency of the vibration will depend on the RPM of the out of balance / out of true thing that is spinning. Driveshaft spins faster than wheels do. Not sure if that helps, but food for thought. vroom, vroom Tony Drews At 08:18 PM 7/11/2013, Gary Nafziger wrote: >One thing I noticed during first drives after restoration in my tr-3 is a >significant vibration at highway speed. I've tried to isolate by coasting out >of gear and engine turned off and it still happens, so I'm pretty sure its >driveshaft. Am in the process of removinghe drive shaft in order to check >that out. > >I've always been curious about a weight that is attached to the >tail shaft of my transmission. The weight is attached by a steel band around >the tranny tailshaft. The weight itself is round with a hole through the >middle that keeps it attached. If I remember right the bolt holding the >weight was loose when I removed it so the weight could spin. When I >re-attached it I tightened it down tight so it can't move. > >My question is. >Could this weight on the tail shaft be part of my vibration problem? Could I >simply remove it and go without it? (of the several other trannys I've seen >I've never seen this weight so I wonder if it is necessary). If the weight is >needed how is it attached? Tight or loose? > >Thanks > >gary n. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 14:29:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B0A40433 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F753403B1 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fn20so8102413lab.0 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=l4ASMqAFaPQcGBFPK3/WQNb4thueBC4nsYbWNGdSeP8=; b=fIPkMBgbBmDFT+4io+eNhi6AbwP3XqVJcqDNl6QaNvX0b2HI+XHYXrfdUh82vehCgg 9U/SZGcxKPdzgPRMJGrEjf127T/pKCEtzq/DJGY9EeRLiNpQdb4vSs+upnW/IowXATau qlUfgqlTw5YPjw1QqcWff7Mkn0ymHIaT6eTMn7ppVm9h+o5EKET8iM5Ou7q8eNnsxjBM JpxONsgrgcQgBrfepTgmCkrD/0k5Cf0gk3wOyqKk1sDyOQvVmncwhPJxIxg4xbaeVwh5 A4MDbDeFqmdtUxV+zFrOEn8LlTc5HaircIz8ZdwXdECzk+LAcOGngYcHoLNtTLOuL3EL i/mw== rk6mr19976586lbb.50.1373660666456; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <1373591895.85727.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130712191831.EBE864044E@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:24:26 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Silly thing to add, but when I rotated my tires recently I got a nasty vibration in the front. I like Tony's comment about relating gear selection to vibration level to isolate the drive shaft as a culprit. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 18:17:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948CF40431 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6931640325 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.67.24]) by p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id zcDQ1l00d0XQilS01cDRFy; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 17:13:26 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:13:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5/XYKTnMOG28/zQvq34GTbBOTCpA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 restrictor valve - question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Rebuilding a TR3a and not sure about the state of the brake line restrictor valve (part of the 3-way union on the front right frame). Questions - any particular way of assessing whether it is functional on the bench, and what are the consequences of a dysfunctional valve? Thanks for any help. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 12 19:04:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1162C403D8 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E5240079 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:04:18 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=vOiOwuq4BRQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=AfL8ExmhMNAA:10 a=vc5brThjqMbhRwp-C7kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A6/12-06197-987A0E15; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 01:04:10 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:04:16 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5/XYKTnMOG28/zQvq34GTbBOTCpAABdOnA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 restrictor valve - question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Rebuilding a TR3a and not sure about the state of the brake > line restrictor valve (part of the 3-way union on the front > right frame). Questions - any particular way of assessing > whether it is functional on the bench, and what are the > consequences of a dysfunctional valve? Thanks for any help. What I did was to disassemble it for cleaning, and then reassemble without the internal plunger. Removed all worries about it not working! The only downside is that if you drive the car really hard (like drifting on stock tires), then the brake pedal may be low on the next application. Somewhat disconcerting if you aren't expecting it, but not too serious otherwise. If the low pedal bugs you, a better solution than the valve is uncle Jack's spindle spacer kit (available through TRF and maybe ARE). But I've been driving without either for so long that I'm just used to it. The purpose of the valve is to hold a small amount of pressure in the braking system all the time, around 7 psi if I recall correctly. You could probably test it on the bench by attaching a line to the output, filling with brake fluid and then applying 5 psi or so of air pressure. But 7 psi is enough to make the front brakes drag noticeably, which always bugged me until I disabled the valve. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 13 10:21:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501CD40046 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D650040043 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.168]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2013 16:16:51 +0000 Received: from EasyEd (74-46-214-123.dsl1.chtw.wv.frontiernet.net [74.46.214.123]) by relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C126E2F924 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:16:48 +0000 (UTC) From: "Ed Oot" To: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 12:16:40 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5/4vTz6+zLcCaSRZiiptsfrDz4Xg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Compression check: what does this mean? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 59 TR3A Symptoms: Suddenly started to run poorly at low RPM under load. Blowing smoke from both the vent tube and exhaust Procedure: Reset valve clearance to 11 thousandths across the board Static set the timing to 4 degrees BTDC Warmed the engine Pulled all plugs Dry checked and then wet checked with the following results: 1) D 152 W 170 2) D 152 W 165 3) D 120 W 140 4) D 155 W 180 Do I have a broken ring on #3? Also noted that when I pulled the plugs after warm up that the #3 was wet. Not sure best approach. I'm quessing the engine was last rebuilt around 1990, and has maybe as much as 50K miles. Thanks in advance for advice Ed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 13 11:06:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ABC403C5 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9DE40416 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:05:43 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=7x-T1mg6q1IA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=dNlhj4paNQMA:10 a=3hLXic-O26xwrBRh9GMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 05/44-05415-5E881E15; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:05:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Ed Oot'" , Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:05:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5/4vTz6+zLcCaSRZiiptsfrDz4XgAB2M+w Subject: Re: [TR] Compression check: what does this mean? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, for sure you have something wrong on #3. With those results, it's hard to say for certain just what; but the problem should become apparent when you get the head off. If there isn't anything obviously wrong with the head (like oil caked on the back on the intake valve for #3, showing that the oil was going past the valve stem) or obviously wrong with the #3 cylinder wall; then pull the #3 piston out and see what you find. My guess is either broken ring, or scored cylinder wall. However, 120 psi of compression should still let the engine run reasonably well. My guess is that the poor performance is mostly from the fouled plug. So if you want to wait until after the driving season, just change the plug (maybe to one step hotter to help avoid fouling again) and go on. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 13 15:01:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B8540421 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 15:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E05A40334 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zwa51l00416LCl05Awtdlh; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:53:37 +0000 Received: from sz0012.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zwtd1l00e2xV5no3SwtdDw; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:53:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:53:37 +0000 (UTC) From: pdqtr6@comcast.net To: NET Member Mailing , Triumphs s=q20121106; t=1373748817; bh=6wiP29v4nf8tE1G1wxdD2d++dtojcndgChCLfyup1LI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=mGJ7f4fhFx2qvTg8+shekE6mQCvB9y1MYT9tc8dnPH/jrNAmgJX+v1JQjWnJR5Bu9 kFw1ZzEbn+nygvEvpr9lgTTvPyMlVp3vQp2NHMp04MuogOjgT6SWyHsglToMFGHIBK c74ZGWC3JQVCmVV56UpFJlN1A0o/xeBuHbXcKsXszoYncGZM4/+H/P2jUXVTjbtU2t KBjTS9PVWWuh3hCfWspFzAZzgvhipNUCTAEZpz1OpSq7U1sGLlz3PfWnWtDYwMtaWv NBU098K3qyz9nXWwTxun/1Sd5xdMaS8p/i9w9H67P3EWi4Sg17/UBB7VqptAojkGYX n0+A+K9Hnecgw== Subject: [TR] Back-up Light Circuit on a 72 TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Could someone talk me through the back-up light circuit on a 72 TR6? I can't get the car inspected unless all the lights work, and the Summer's slipping away faster than I can imagine! Here's where I am with this project: I have taken the transmission cover out of the car and have determined that with the key in the "run" position I am not getting power to the switch on the side of the top cover of the transmission. The connections between the switch and the rest of the circuit (where they connect to allow removal of the transmission tunnel) are also "dead" I have looked at the diagram on page 488 of the Bentley's manual, but am confused by some of the symbols that I find in the circuit (found at the bottom of the diagram on the right side.) It seems that before the power-in wire connects to the seatbelt warning, gearbox switch (#66 - and what is that and where in the car is it?) there is a resistor in the wire (indicated by a rectangle in the line). From there, the line goes to the reverse lamp switch (#34) and from there to another resistor, then to a light (the circle with an "X") in it) and finally to the 2 lamps in the rear lamp housing (#35). Do I understand the symbols correctly? Is a rectangle a resistor? Is a circle with an "X" really a bulb? If so, where are they physically in the car? And where should I look to find the break in continuity before the switch? I'm usually pretty good at figuring electrical problems out, but this one has me stumped. I know that there are some listers who live for sorting out problems-Lucas, so I'm throwing myself at your feet - HELP! Tom Walling ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 13 15:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F90B4044E for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 15:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BB740401 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 15:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.90.107.adsl.snet.net [69.0.90.107]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M3RJA-1U77WV0m48-00rpr5; Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:48:54 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: , "Triumphs" References: <1727383710.975224.1373748817364.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:48:58 -0400 R768guEB15FYQ8/q1+LMmlFGwRlL+V7a/Cke4uGjFFJSsEbpka b2kndvQ52QPY4u1OT6zi9Mnmu72/xvCtD9WXtg/1F1Vojfm7PD RHcoHQmJcSWQagoApjaZorJU5RMVmt4hYPVY1N6cgv8agXBm+E VYSGvU6+kFckW6pP6nwsCBS5/RfBCxkLKAtjq1VDDNxBG8vVpq Zo/kHGBVK3iPDxqy/qxx0Z7lMxa/n/HZ160wbS+KjEazZ/Yi9P bMCmH4xNew4QMm2GYOoIqrFJ7l3UNgzDlwsjlukOzBAmQavzKb l5oMQduv7fGOziyHO2wgC41Qa8aWBzcVSCAK+NWXY Subject: Re: [TR] Back-up Light Circuit on a 72 TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The first thing you want to do is download (http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf) the free AAW schematics that Dan Masters developed about 10 years ago with input from many list members. This is a much more accurate schematic and is specific to model year. The other thing that is a great help is Dan's Electrical Maintenance Handbook available from Moss. Besides step by step trouble shooting it includes a section on all of the symbols. As I'm looking at the schematic the reverse light power is on the power side of the seatbelt neutral switch so the switch doesn't impact its operation. - rectangle box = bullet connector - circle w/ X = 1 pin of a multi pin connector for the main to rear harness. Located near the floor on driver's side - circle that's solid = splice Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: pdqtr6@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:53 PM To: NET Member Mailing ; Triumphs Subject: [TR] Back-up Light Circuit on a 72 TR6 Could someone talk me through the back-up light circuit on a 72 TR6? I can't get the car inspected unless all the lights work, and the Summer's slipping away faster than I can imagine! Here's where I am with this project: I have taken the transmission cover out of the car and have determined that with the key in the "run" position I am not getting power to the switch on the side of the top cover of the transmission. The connections between the switch and the rest of the circuit (where they connect to allow removal of the transmission tunnel) are also "dead" I have looked at the diagram on page 488 of the Bentley's manual, but am confused by some of the symbols that I find in the circuit (found at the bottom of the diagram on the right side.) It seems that before the power-in wire connects to the seatbelt warning, gearbox switch (#66 - and what is that and where in the car is it?) there is a resistor in the wire (indicated by a rectangle in the line). From there, the line goes to the reverse lamp switch (#34) and from there to another resistor, then to a light (the circle with an "X") in it) and finally to the 2 lamps in the rear lamp housing (#35). Do I understand the symbols correctly? Is a rectangle a resistor? Is a circle with an "X" really a bulb? If so, where are they physically in the car? And where should I look to find the break in continuity before the switch? I'm usually pretty good at figuring electrical problems out, but this one has me stumped. I know that there are some listers who live for sorting out problems-Lucas, so I'm throwing myself at your feet - HELP! Tom Walling ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 10:47:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EFB40535 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:47:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f65.google.com (mail-oa0-f65.google.com [209.85.219.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0209403F0 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f65.google.com with SMTP id k14so3644629oag.4 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=PgV+BYfCBheaXdbxKemA5yOP0YuYb8p2iG9eBoclyAM=; b=EckEa+4aBgBSZLXEsRrugunVlUTA19VBwHFLr9kLR6okMQ1yw/kykJZFgdgC9m8O7x AqbSmYLWje+FM9PrscJfm53o5hITwBNHsXdnBCDz/ngtlpVx+Fp0uVJuy9sesOq5jKoh CDFV7SMO/YQDdCR6zXCMltvBXbvxC1bKj/OOm6Sw8MpWAgMxyILZVzmDvA5YJxREaUQy kg5bCobe4y2D87eCfIl+J7sDhewt2hJm5D2OtZuxanPAU8yV8MCYu6+VsUpNWdQYAvZB poGnYTU3Xddl2Scn7oPllBjDiLGhABcG68XetOHQkEAzp163GCUVJroHpEQNiEPPtE8w INgg== n4mr40628879obi.19.1373820395212; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hm1sm64356503obb.9.2013.07.14.09.46.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:46:46 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6AsROQmj+P0PCYS5axhj3cRfyQTg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Early TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Had a little issue getting the accelerator pedal shaft assembly apart to replace bushings on my early four. I removed the pin securing the assembly on the pedal side, but the shaft did not separate and I now need a shaft. Don't ask. Please contact me directly if you have an early 62 TR4 accelerator pedal shaft assembly for sale or have a contact for me to track down. How are these shafts supposed to separate? I thought you removed the pin and that would release the assembly. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 14:27:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F79440E01 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0D740535 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ep20so4510628lab.9 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cxf+b1XseH+IeOw6n6rfa2ypdEWasoraE3+vawTUU/0=; b=CXDkDPNQfv1rV1TpBPU77SD0qoLACPv5NKAJC1rCL9SSAk7i5efthjUFnTnP7gwGQ0 xQXulu5ynIqGbr6TLtyGHHBiqa8GW9FaYnMKfXLZkPvuINlHL9Ld/aAqSUM4RilFptcK QBGXSLkU+qJcP/5mK7lN1kh47GyvAPYOyrReGGMFv7iSL9M3ERCXTMeRyDatGjlGsMVC TNsAT/JQHGtpD5ux6Zd7X4e3HmJk0bDbCovhz+SJgMZNt63FARWsWO4m0DiHJiXGVc39 FfyDnHCIatG4x4tYkzH2cBTuc++57ph0B4GAOOys/3HSjvmPq16y23DyATvM036e22p1 nFkw== k8mr24007473lae.25.1373833656706; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <019d01ce80b1$bbb01950$33104bf0$@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:27:36 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I too could use some help, while you are at it, i lost one of the sheet metal flanges that capture the nylon ball of the throttle shaft. Anyone got one of those lying around? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 16:09:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AEB42709 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm50.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm50.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F57540E19 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm50.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2013 22:09:02 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.214] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2013 22:09:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2013 22:09:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373839742; bh=ACHmhy1oBy414JpgI2C5vsRM0DYbbiHIb/G++8A9VCo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=e4FQSxMffm7pFrE2sNIKYK7Mj7VxZ50oWHkVlHys0jIpUT6lZGn9514Yab2HXuU+BsGiFygM/LRdekHJY2JEur+6grfmLnbfmFvU0UZr1fBYR/BpU9X/2O/WGSpfCo+Fhn/fZYBnxT/JqUfckvV+Xe4zJflx9in3O7tWNis2eBs= ZdtF5X6W70aVyiYGmc795DkJ1eWEB_GVwIV.XLz6YShBk3kcFVprq4kWnqBP Xd.bYRdxh6FreManCwy8gSYV8o63TdxerRiURM7lL6mv0gDQ65Gyzd8Aam_h tC19aZ.wn0jzKid1aZsIxuOW4v7bpO3en_WxlmOfbN81CHMG26mP9NXgL8zB ala3qrrdrimGj1YEmp.KzPVfMmaO.Eo2Bb9WlLklg1BgDnigzMiE4RAdLhuO NYqA8lU1ZUbnFBIvWZ7CoTSGn5Jy37YJIvMDObb0xcmLGu22_EgoTXIUbS.z 1vYHt5Jb7quKBav9RjoC2Vv4Sdmuwj1BhkHcvVGAwIpMqmfKzINi4wWa.xLj StByBQPseKZRc6CVHyJsSbBa_HpWwbY8PUaYgJI63jUDNmqazCOJ7.5uo2t. h23o0dMGoF5kzvydT3EylmS7Kz.d_mt0o09FKKMiZPuLewyETv.ogfDs_xSW 4c1.fjOyE1S_uDJEQU8JjrM3hogUfPdfDfpJfPJn.YbBhdjbjcqE0mbzB07n TJMBF6c_.lI_S6.HlJn7ZjvPlI2Nv8hGSs1c- smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2013 22:09:02 +0000 UTC References: <019d01ce80b1$bbb01950$33104bf0$@gmail.com> From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:09:02 -0500 To: James Henningsen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Guy working on my car just decided to take a cutting torch to the rod. I was quite upset but he welded it back together and after grinding and paint you don't see the injury. Just saying , Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, "James Henningsen" wrote: > Had a little issue getting the accelerator pedal shaft assembly apart to > replace bushings on my early four. I removed the pin securing the assembly > on the pedal side, but the shaft did not separate and I now need a shaft. > Don't ask. Please contact me directly if you have an early 62 TR4 > accelerator pedal shaft assembly for sale or have a contact for me to track > down. How are these shafts supposed to separate? I thought you removed the > pin and that would release the assembly. > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > 62 TR4 CT5212LO > > 75 TR6 > > Ocala, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 16:22:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAD540E19 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF51740397 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id wd20so13346248obb.33 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=ILopYwv92e8gjg93mE528Frg0/aGKgTU74pcy/kvqg4=; b=jip+vpKKgkwPLdrWN3FVpadXvIxk6ecXxPTl95Nob3D09ix9hBoywL1kPfZev7HEXf nUif3p9fW/oxuc5xRFkrqJ/C4owutHN3PGnUyy/PE1Ldq3ps0hGXgu2rviU6IqH7JqI5 4o3IFVN3C9cyfAQzINv6fQCMh4zaszHAnmL70CvQThNGVXLTawH/BmRDTZuyfwkL1dFh +9JfOkuXwQHW9ca1IT51l0oFn3aFZQTucGx18Smjx9TxObXV7v5z/o8Iv8dedF5ZsEEJ TAuzMOEm3oiidlltf/6GPmK0/koQ57p0c0+8cTF15//MDtEsOjt6OM/d9NNpXDsIQiIR AYCw== Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o4sm65480329obl.7.2013.07.14.15.21.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'WBEECH'" References: <019d01ce80b1$bbb01950$33104bf0$@gmail.com> <3CA54280-649C-4456-B9C8-2AFBB933340B@flash.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:21:25 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJHyg5ORJdcfIc3/OjasWihwXjhZAGsH2CymGTLtSA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am working on that solution as well. I now understand why they designed a different shaft for the TR6. jim -----Original Message----- From: WBEECH [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:09 PM To: James Henningsen Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 Part Needed Guy working on my car just decided to take a cutting torch to the rod. I was quite upset but he welded it back together and after grinding and paint you don't see the injury. Just saying , Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, "James Henningsen" wrote: > Had a little issue getting the accelerator pedal shaft assembly apart > to replace bushings on my early four. I removed the pin securing the > assembly on the pedal side, but the shaft did not separate and I now need a shaft. > Don't ask. Please contact me directly if you have an early 62 TR4 > accelerator pedal shaft assembly for sale or have a contact for me to > track down. How are these shafts supposed to separate? I thought you removed the > pin and that would release the assembly. > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > 62 TR4 CT5212LO > > 75 TR6 > > Ocala, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 06:41:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10E64044E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.ctinetworks.com (smtp2.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9260403FC for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home45dd83c8be (75.97.219.115.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.219.115]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 862591D207C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:36:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "davewillner" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:37:11 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lucas generator rebuild or not? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My red warning light came on yesterday afternoon, all looked ok, belt, wires, etc. so I need to do something with the generator. Its the car's original and I had it rebuilt back in 1985. Am I ok to have it rebuilt again or should I find a new one at this point, I do want to keep a generator on the car. I have a very good shop nearby that will rebuild it for 125.00. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 07:59:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6800840445 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C8A40413 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id m1so9874373ves.14 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:58:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=An1j7Mhnx3mTrKXtDCeqSVrhDFHgny3uqkRIokEpa3c=; b=WCgVOjell3ZCuFiOzUBjIWGEM+tO1w8NME6WsQVcrhSGuWiHXTkhiLlCPishJW8i7+ PsFhGFPN5uCLz2pv9OCpAilYX46NnEfVMkojj/SOUDVHEnE3pl2Thq5T1/81TyczWiiJ 8ET4w6xt76gytPso7W8qFP/1cnnnZcSwO5BGHnukM/6jGr2MfZzushGn81cDfE3cK5Lu /K9Yf1XX1uTCBPGvG2oIWVDYA9FihayVGcIbvgaPU5v6dEKQhJPDvC0RYyq5jxYScRPv Z2miKegZy0YitfCDeyHl/STnTQZvUWYYK9hqfcvH4pr04u82/RCf8T2SKkfVmeK4W2M/ h81g== of7mr28851479vcb.39.1373896727954; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:58:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <16ED8381B7BC4883AB869604C45DCE68@home45dd83c8be> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:58:47 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: davewillner Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Lucas generator rebuild or not? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave -- Have you tested the generator itself? The procedure is pretty straight forward and is outlined in most manuals and certainly in the Lucas manual which (as I recall) is somewhere online. Just because " all looked ok, belt, wires, etc" I wouldn't assume the problem is the generator -- or if it is, that the problem isn't something simpler. Geo On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:37 AM, davewillner wrote: > My red warning light came on yesterday afternoon, all looked ok, belt, > wires, > etc. so I need to do something with the generator. Its the car's original > and > I had it rebuilt back in 1985. Am I ok to have it rebuilt again or should I > find a new one at this point, I do want to keep a generator on the car. I > have > a very good shop nearby that will rebuild it for 125.00. Thanks > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 08:30:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C94B4044F for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A15640413 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4C580700496E8 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.187.195]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 014B1E000086 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:30:12 -0400 (EDT) References: <16ED8381B7BC4883AB869604C45DCE68@home45dd83c8be> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:30:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:30:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373898613; bh=dDX0oW6Exwwd6lK4OWhJyK+0uVg7KaGjBktXsYQPPi4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rtfO2pUzr790x5Ie9HC7TcWHVA+npgrpSz5+0XyWkkittLoQctJumXP7zGtgl3O6q My9tjXp6bhEUy4JHacKRSFjiHnsH6FrLQ8T0M5QaRPvGjDPu1aiG8U8vyTjOmaq5BR 0jAllB2M8Gpch7TwMdLHIX32+lHNG308I/0VAtX0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51e407744ef5 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Lucas generator rebuild or not? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As Geo notes, it is worth thoroughly checking the entire system. It could be the voltage regulator, it could be just generator brushes...or it could be the generator. Meanwhile, to me it's a no-brainer. You got 26 years out of it first time around and another 28 years after the first rebuild; with any luck, this rebuild should take you to 2043! :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: davewillner My red warning light came on yesterday afternoon, all looked ok, belt, wires, etc. so I need to do something with the generator. Its the car's original and I had it rebuilt back in 1985. Am I ok to have it rebuilt again or should I find a new one at this point, I do want to keep a generator on the car. I have a very good shop nearby that will rebuild it for 125.00. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 09:32:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902FF40527 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33E240425 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail106-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.241) by TX2EHSOBE007.bigfish.com (10.9.40.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:32:30 +0000 Received: from mail106-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail106-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C049E01D3 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:32:30 +0000 (UTC) H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail106-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail106-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1373902348807905_30133; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.249]) by mail106-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B679D3005B8 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by TX2EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (10.9.99.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:32:26 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DC4768003 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:26 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A0790D88220; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:26 +0100 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub1.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.14]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855BB68003 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:26 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.69]) by winehub1.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.14]) with mapi; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:26 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:23 +0100 Thread-Topic: Engine oil? Thread-Index: Ac6BcIDeEnYsf3MaRmW73ilJnh1iWw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US VDF=10.130.61) Subject: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have completed my first post rebuild 500 miles, quite happily, few bits and pieces but generally a successful shake down of my TR2. I want to change out the running-in oil. Is there a consensus on the best engine oil 10w/30, 20w/50 or a straight monograde, should I choose a classic car oil or will a modern type do. I should avoid synthetics, right? Regards John 1954 TR2 (long door) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 10:21:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B4A40450 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDD840419 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 16:20:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.198] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 16:20:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 16:20:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373905257; bh=BNpHcVLzbIGQlcSLG5Gws7xSocUnz9MTwHm9wStwUS8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ka9mBCQnpjtCuUvLJjZZUR6BfY1Ks461DQ2UMv/l+FgFTfXmCUauTPHm7YgV1o6kcA4XhlTeiTMYsThoHSbGhWdCuy/s2iOtKRy0DtJ9vJHVd+BRjqArCJAbbFHNSCJczJQttGICvDxqkXhrABnun8CA23c9pMbGlbEUWC3Xr2A= AXBZp5E5ipykYpZgW77t0Pjyzr8YaopI7zWEzGJCUSi.7jrKejF3l6qq_L6n Kb7jh8FldoXXH1CL4ulq9G5gqgK_olCrynfsU1G7GAmYipv8Mu3_sxE6QeYi IUoV9e01XN29yQ7X6GiB.ETSprstIWf5ypqYHszg2eUIibw84_KLLRVKgHeu nOc6iGAEUZ2w3mtXDTP2FFGLW1.4VULcA4dDoQIbyctSfWWMnOfxleMfvBhI ws0t4PZQ7ut1cZkmcWkCa_vgQ2BNcoh7q294dUwaW7Q8Xb124PL9AHMPLxne pPMYWCY5LJjrS6NFWt_4wIXELl2q8g_e6nKtOmAKET3a1vj60IOhCe7WWpBy XSgOtnu3QiYwyRsQ8zer.ORnhWa_ivDl6nvKQ6kCsf9kM.bjJg5oLB27XBI_ xam_g_e06xD3K8Ib1ABdOYgcEQlR9SRZZ_3teYe8e4H2xVJAZynonKDMdHIQ A8vTfIOJfQwpW_UJ1Rh7M_EsHBLOTmKV8.SXn8YJY4iftNcAdRP8lgvHDdEK 8fxm0irkJGWTi4dPUc5ffXeZ6lm_aYU9qCLo- smtp207.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 09:20:57 -0700 PDT References: From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:20:55 -0500 To: John Gillis Cc: "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh boy, here we go again. John, take notes cause you just opened the gate, again. I use Valvoline VR1 conventional 20-50w, it contains the needed levels of ZDDP for our cars. I have 5,500 miles on the rebuilt original motor now. It is classified as a racing oil but available at most local shops at a reasonable price, even on sale occasionally. The multi weights work better, remember they did not have them in 1954. I have a tally of comments from the list somewhere, I'll try and find it and send it to you. All the best, Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 10:32 AM, John Gillis wrote: > I have completed my first post rebuild 500 miles, quite happily, few bits and > pieces but generally a successful shake down of my TR2. I want to change out > the running-in oil. Is there a consensus on the best engine oil 10w/30, 20w/50 > or a straight monograde, should I choose a classic car oil or will a modern > type do. I should avoid synthetics, right? > Regards > John > 1954 TR2 (long door) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 10:49:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71D54051E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA82C40425 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:49:18 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=75docIim7FMA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1VSDFna1AmUA:10 a=ZI3sZF_7wpuL43fmIvQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:35269] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A3/7D-05415-C0824E15; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:49:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:49:17 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: John Gillis References: Cc: "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, I use Brad Penn 20/50 racing oil on all 3 of my Triumphs, 3, 4 and 6. Bob On 07/15/2013 11:32 AM, John Gillis wrote: > I have completed my first post rebuild 500 miles, quite happily, few bits and > pieces but generally a successful shake down of my TR2. I want to change out > the running-in oil. Is there a consensus on the best engine oil 10w/30, 20w/50 > or a straight monograde, should I choose a classic car oil or will a modern > type do. I should avoid synthetics, right? > Regards > John > 1954 TR2 (long door) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 11:59:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082B340517 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F95E40440 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9295C70085A3A; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.145]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BFC47E000081; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) To: JGILLIS@tcd.ie, triumphs@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1373911035; bh=Azket/pELqAofT13t5JOoxCoT/he6wb9Vf7RbrU3xu8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YY5GjJEyXgqy9Dc+ND+MQ+J8T8RFrsQHRFsIBHQ24it5QI0XAcg/OdBoVa565BjLp 8w0ln81gBR6DD2iEa/MDypEVfF02aP0rFcTnvcEizeYOZe7Fm+LAlGabeSm9EaXyvh JNV4UxsjgHI120LjMTzAVlr8rHnRxTijtHku7p60= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c751e437fa6080 Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, I don't race the TR4....and put less than 1000 miles on it per year. For the TR4, I use a ZDDP additive with good old Pennzoil, Quaker State or Castrol 20W/50 that I buy on sale at Pep Boys, WalMart, etc......been using these brands in all of my cars for many, many years and many thousands of miles - never had any engine problems attributable to oil. I like the 20W/50 weight because I think it helps keep the motor a little cooler in the summer and since I don't drive it in the winter, I'm not too concerned about hard starting thicker oil. In addition to using a good brand of oil, I think the best advice is regular oil/filter changes. Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 7/15/2013 11:32:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JGILLIS@tcd.ie writes: I have completed my first post rebuild 500 miles, quite happily, few bits and pieces but generally a successful shake down of my TR2. I want to change out the running-in oil. Is there a consensus on the best engine oil 10w/30, 20w/50 or a straight monograde, should I choose a classic car oil or will a modern type do. I should avoid synthetics, right? Regards John 1954 TR2 (long door) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 14:21:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CB140553 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF4440523 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.174] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 20:21:28 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.175] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 20:21:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 20:21:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373919687; bh=YtOZssHXBrFiHn5B/7eqcbYRn+Tz//cjwoZq94PGSX4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=296XqsWte/nBTjJVEIPZzYbJH83UXPSRQ5utHhhklUt5FDHw+G+TmgVdfHJ3WVfgUF6kqTysLAFtNbCbktXFyV6pfjPR+AceOdnIH2jDG0bO4XkujNJzPxcNgBN5MPLMd2i+qCYpIFzAyaEj6vCoVT2SLejtflE0rkkactP1Yx4= QfyBSIwJbEb4pkpjsKU8jkvI34UmqBm9aJ4jTdVUBPomDfRtHp_wfN6BVOTI WEtj.9gqe7l9Io_bTbtG5i2S6Mh4MWRR_pLdhfskrIpka6NLnfdrQQ.30T_9 oA633VhtDZ2aG2ayEa3qo3MNK0QLoJWLt83CpnBW9KVlqRIx3c16cmehOosx pY4nmBNa8.JBoOkU5nFa8Gde7x_Hq7Ch8DojhQ2zLTHyop2WQRxbpONI9PG9 mHKGB3879BCXkLmbJgrdSUa5luxaLFI0AspR1ARkd20RCGLIU8dQ6HjTyft6 F2mg6VavcrXfGVOdKeKG0sK15kvnS6WfJyq87mhqJbTaZBjfhBIrRqqcDfSa wHcgSmE_Y81u_62SqoGw62UG5Vzp27wxX2PEUrnXD9jPHVij.G51iYpHM5KD qyDEyrpEy7GKycctlfF0AuETKprwGJenoIwUrvBjbfUhPmi0qWO8cUjsKThU 1vuUpYjtOByk9M_YuOUHSTLZvJxdOqJI- with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 13:21:27 -0700 PDT From: Bill_Beecher Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:12:38 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] Dash rail bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a source for the carriage-type bolts used the dash rails of the TR2-3 & 3A up to TS60000. Cannot even find a 1/4x28-2" carriage bolt that I could modify to fit. Last time I bought a 5/16 bolt and re-threaded it to work. It worked but I really didn't want to do five of them that way. Thanks, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 14:34:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9629540530 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0CA40523 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:32:06 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1373920323; x=1374525123; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=wdHCw4nQzeygVb1GsLkaT4ikWf19ufU3H8FdCVwvmMM=; b=i8i lmn3PV7T2W47GvHbrJPdUkLD0uSYAAyD0L/v8/w6XcjbmhfICqppt4sZ+brh04WM mY4Ovg6yVBulVLuI/2eRNGjUGlfiXGxvtF3rhQrGhOnvrCSeqreV01hBJL+Yo5ce 9dVosFu0EIH2bGL97McEUlOZ53v7grueP7uH6Cfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=sCelyn9njQgV8feaqV8+Gl+pPviwkELrFgg7A29ztr3G7xmVWe5uHbftSRZG UnXtf0d+UDILeIEiXOWc+X1VPghftK61i+XEDXgs9TFgYe4UR7OUJVc/g 3QqU/OjK/5xaGJEwtOjqYdkwpnBOvWnE3yzaN8cBsBcjUmUcIe5AJU=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 33-md50000137327.msg for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:02 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:32:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "''" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] Rounder and rounder we go Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net About 10 years ago I paid a packet to have Boston Rim and Wheel Works straighten my egg-shaped TR6 rims. The work was good. Sadly, the dreadful overly-expensive and under-repaired goat paths of Quebec have taken their toll and the work must be done again. Unfortunately, other than some old youtube videos it seems that rimandwheelworks is no more. I really like the look of the original wheels and do not want to go to alloy. I'd buy new, but they aren't being made I believe. Does anybody know who can do steel wheel straightening? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 16:06:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3183340556 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C8540425 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1VSDFna1AmUA:10 a=1P3wwp-Z9SvLArhGq44A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=2SNFzf9Z-S7hPX33:21 a=P39csQ6xn9rujW3x:21 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:44951] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 01/8B-14128-AB174E15; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:03:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:03:38 +0000 From: Randall To: John Gillis , "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- John Gillis wrote: > Is there a consensus on the best engine oil 10w/30, 20w/50 > or a straight monograde, should I choose a classic car oil or will a modern > type do. I should avoid synthetics, right? Nope, not much consensus. I ran Valvoline 20W50 full synthetic for many years; no issues related to oil that I could see. Contrary to urban myth, it did not leak any worse than conventional oil. At one time, there might have been a reason to avoid "multi-weight" oils. Back in the 70s, I had a lot of trouble with the viscosity improver breaking down, so that 10W30 would end up as about 5 weight oil after just a few thousand miles. However, I believe oil chemistry (and particularly the viscosity improver additives) have improved greatly since then; anyway I have never seen the problem since then. Lately I've been running the Valvoline VR1 conventional oil. In spite of the name, it meets the API qualifications for "street" oil (meaning it has an adequate amount of detergent, etc); but it also contains the higher levels of ZDDP that some people feel are important. I'm still not convinced that it is required for our engines (especially unmodified engines driven on the street); but it seems like cheap insurance. -- Randall PS, this may or may not be relevant to anything. I also run Valvoline full synthetic in my "LBC support vehicle", which has a Chevy 350 motor with some 260,000 miles on it now. A few years back, someone gave me a gallon of Mobil 1 and I used that instead of the Valvoline. The Mobil 1 really did leak all over the place, oil consumption went up dramatically. Fortunately it dropped back down as I replaced it (one quart at a time) with Valvoline. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 16:45:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D8240544 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598BD40405 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 22:44:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.133] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 22:44:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 22:44:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373928270; bh=+H3kOpo6skngGwvxj8c6LBhqtm45l1s0HxI1Agn1k1U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=MdjMOZyLwIjoHlGo912kAnc8yuL7JXUyOd/ifXlhdpGeEvqRsZ8wP34SSc5u+l6i9EzDsxvdO3C3pjTFOJqMjf7Yv5eHB5J2tXzsAHMdgbmUfwZQ3mQrbamlp+MRAjfQG386RTCS01n9k0b8lnSmhGa09/+7Ob320OzHDL9qJ14= epls3rCO.tsaXq44ftjFmBJaAlT6sKz3VrtdvlbZHfW9sgr2DceG2wzHfaUr SDxqp7e10DFmm2sNslqa78_fT7NSYjcoK2R8Czga9903undeyA_kQLmqFn_F Jl0gtMbXa6zhyNxbJ08Gsh7hNA3fLLOMqHkCH3hMMsu73cB5fU2qRcRFNwAB v1xMJWth2M1OllWQo_WZ3NY.AyIn8zvi4JpGYFaS9IfX3vops184NuLB8v66 ixlMDN20EkEmn7lShmjf15sPIzQ.ZZNiPRu7dvx7fuCQpsbTeLdh0pvLuNDX t6aSEBDvhpdEkOJZeKyM9OE57c3bTqxagU97IpR4k8umBdmgB3y_Y9YbdO_Q 7pzWDxRThVxOUQ5DKtUJiS6l5OEvS1339Phkhp_sCO2L6Y8C3bA9UP5jvE_g 0qJ.lEKnNLsMj8GCaxWaXUI2PSVqTIS_J0EwYv4QGshF4KslZOtOuTX6oL2y mF.t1fukMKhKAJfppc6ea2yp9HjfargnNbR0- smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 15:44:30 -0700 PDT References: From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:41:27 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] Fwd: Dash rail bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Subject: Dash rail bolts > > Anyone have a source for the carriage-type bolts used the dash rails of the TR2-3 & 3A up to TS60000. Cannot even find a 1/4x28-2" carriage bolt that I could modify to fit. > > Last time I bought a 5/16 bolt and re-threaded it to work. It worked but I really didn't want to do five of them that way. > > Thanks, > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 16:47:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18F04069E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F66A40540 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.65.135]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 0mmz1m00H2v5jqW01mn0jC; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:47:01 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:47:03 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6BrOeQe+g6LEa4S1OgCyeU8xUEdw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Rear hub studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Restoring a TR3 and a previous owner took a hacksaw to the rear studs - presumably to use wire wheels. I want to go back to the regular studs - what is the best way to remove the old ones from the hub? Can they be driven out or must they be turned? Remove from the front or the rear? Thanks for any advice. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 17:38:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A6440539 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC26A40439 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 23:36:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.38] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 23:36:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 23:36:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373931369; bh=jh23XK8XrCLuU7rHVIdmb4ZeyevlT11DDmAkANDocrc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=psHi+VreUND/ESklBmpOOJR5iTuZ+GJfGSkE0LMZfchepbwUjvxigpDrsE8QJLb7qqbXQ0rQ/Q156wdbaaB0qClXh1sQm5XfPVaYA68v7rXF/2KqtiFVNtilF1uqKc8nBVARhRjjT7KuRmz9ziRVTucKYTDwZ/bStBiMYtbEETA= .K9L0kXqnVQ11OMvI_NjTMfmmXq.qJimZPCVuPG2Bzzdcmo8A7VgBP3I3lE2 6yO8NbglelkHX6Nyqgy9HE.eoamXKL2.5TWavYIrU0TtzB0PSV4xk_6B5al7 WifJl3zSawsw2KhCds.ODR33QAendGTlJFT.JlXdY27dHrw.uiEJhTohJbJW YQg7fEvxatdsY2COdBjjXNE9Zi1g4DecBn6sfmNMSf3R9OgRF5lDNCZg3iUG ymawbHrFj_AGhBacGo3PVegoX0Ufhy4UsBHisBnyNLC6MbKNsfdp._lg.AJ0 ACyOz6bdC0v2qrqyMrS8S0jgl0AkxmOEruNhIgOJNA3xk1_Hay9L8jDIJdjh EQM0ieSV8uc5HOieWlOg7yQnSckW0MtzFr1oaB9TLOlu7HTO6VItvwJwGIW6 D7EI4YI4.b8qDSD3oO7jI7QCB77WT57vBdRsFZajFMLAiQD0f2gZn2NZcsMZ utWL3Sj9fy_yrVYb9BjCpqbfIvnwPHLRa99jErWtCLtBOfL9IzsuAN7PZyW_ 3i4d_KOvRYD6o8fyEIAl5Ec_R4IxZwad7Ze3Uxp.pVg-- by smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 16:36:09 -0700 PDT References: <006b01ce81ad$3a9435c0$afbca140$@uprichard.net> From: Bill Babbitt Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:36:05 -0400 To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Rear hub studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the very same situation with my TR3a. The studs are threaded in from the outside. If you look closely, the portion of the stud that extends thru the hub plate is peened (actually looks smeared) over. You'll need to very carefully grind that back with your Dremmel, keeping the grit out of your bearings. Then you can screw two nuts on back-to-back and unscrew the stud out the outboard side. When I put the new studs in, I found that there was no way I could peen the end over. Ultimately, I put down a series of light tack welds where I would have liked to peen the bolt over; taking great care to keep the heat down in the process. Didn't want to soften the bolts. Ground smooth for a final finish. No issues since. Bill Babbitt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:47 PM, "Andrew Uprichard" wrote: > Restoring a TR3 and a previous owner took a hacksaw to the rear studs - > presumably to use wire wheels. I want to go back to the regular studs - > what is the best way to remove the old ones from the hub? Can they be > driven out or must they be turned? Remove from the front or the rear? > Thanks for any advice. > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 17:43:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6158B40553 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:43:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2B140439 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-77-234.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.77.234]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.05(7.0.4.27.4) 64bit (built Apr 23 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MQ0006G14JO2NC0@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@Autox.Team.Net; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:43:02 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-15_06:2013-07-15,2013-07-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1307150242 From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:42:59 -0700 References: <006b01ce81ad$3a9435c0$afbca140$@uprichard.net> <07FB351C-DA37-4EC7-9F8B-58323E259698@sbcglobal.net> To: "triumphs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [TR] Rear hub studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Jul 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bill Babbitt wrote: > When I put the new studs in, I found that there was no way I could peen the > end over. I wonder if one of the super strength Loctite products would be sufficient. Or does the peening add mechanical strength? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 17:59:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8557440556 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A36740439 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0nmA1m0031vXlb857nyrf8; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:58:51 +0000 Received: from [10.238.140.207] ([174.237.33.245]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0nyi1m00D5HL0QE3dnykcP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:58:49 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgTGlzdA==?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:58:49 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1373932731; bh=2a73rM/P1TnyR3YKS49S0oWGNDXazcLATmqsk3mWu+c=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GeCj3gSI6xjwF5Kp25FX+Hm8S0cD0WcYTRHGyQsdU1lnMCbPr69Lhwmfs65euohiB OEQ5UYReyR/CR55tQVpddMVytzu3HYMH1CRWxNFEcFtMe1iCy4uw4Nixpo4469RWKJ GKgaXYcgToN2whFdLI1tM9pK8Hzmv4E0v/qmN0YR0JoDZnHUnKz2xNkflaFAl4HvdW 8eeMFrvoc4AEdXgxbdIli75Rhfds7FeXPtlXi0IXQURnSYGrEKubc/oNU2nGfCtYHD RVZKaGGQUaM39lDQJKkQP2rgOQijxFzlHm4K14C0f6HEHrV8YCGPFaK22ugLrwmbmI NBo1cP825d/eg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Rear_hub_studs?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Loctite red works great. It holds the studs on just dandy on my racing Elise. Plus, if you ever need to replace one, just heat with a propane torch and unscrew. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Darrell Walker" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [TR] Rear hub studs Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 6:42 pm On Jul 15, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bill Babbitt wrote: > When I put the new studs in, I found that there was no way I could peen the > end over. I wonder if one of the super strength Loctite products would be sufficient. Or does the peening add mechanical strength? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 19:16:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A01A40553 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6E04052A for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ASPjsFJQEssA:10 a=1yAJP76sAAAA:8 a=ODtAHj046K7o4JvC5CQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SDYMIisBsK4A:10 a=kcNv1b8_oyAA:10 a=0MKJbKYaKmIA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:48303] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 88/69-05415-C0D94E15; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:08:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 1:08:28 +0000 From: Randall To: 'Triumph List' , davewillner Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Lucas generator rebuild or not? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- davewillner wrote: > Am I ok to have it rebuilt again Most likely, yes. But as others have said, it's probably best to check first that the problem isn't somewhere else, like the control box. Personally, I'd also open up the generator and look for something easy, like worn brushes or broken brush springs, before I'd pay that much for a rebuild. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 19:58:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87524055D for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0CA403F4 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:58:43 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1VSDFna1AmUA:10 a=Fnz3lNpnLHsPa6mIvM8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:8142] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2D/CB-05415-2D8A4E15; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:58:43 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:58:38 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6BcIDeEnYsf3MaRmW73ilJnh1iWwAVl4SQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Randall, not sure how helpful the ZDDP additive stuff, but there's a lot of good oils out there that I don't have to spend $10 a quart on. But, instead of asking which oil is best, maybe we should be asking which oils we shouldn't use. Randall stated that Mobile 1 leaked like a sieve. Any others that worked like crap? Johnnie > > I have completed my first post rebuild 500 miles, quite happily, few > bits and pieces but generally a successful shake down of my TR2. I want > to change out the running-in oil. Is there a consensus on the best > engine oil 10w/30, 20w/50 or a straight monograde, should I choose a > classic car oil or will a modern type do. I should avoid synthetics, > right? > Regards > John > 1954 TR2 (long door) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 21:29:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5959D40653 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B4D40553 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.166] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 03:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 97822 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2013 03:28:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1373945333; bh=+D4D0oce5cfytRABvgfm6Ycp8CMClRo9oHqt8bu/IPY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oA/BlbUJlG+GFWfRzLOsgX55h4JALXWNFPuPBU10YVSb95jYjpZLklZGl1xSybokwHK8GYiwC5LNOJKIovmAhWsUTLmHyF9b5EjTD7sMYoYS/8pt9in+gVdgtXDqYF1n/b9i+CTRJpDteHaDtnQutHanSz02UTX7BFnTV1a6GL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rMQJpuZvGbyxcxcjHxxRI93EKJTxelymA2gAeAjSTtA5l/zX1jILej7K7lOxV4a1nFe//B28Nrfr6HzQQr2A+c1VtiaqiRRu28hOwqMq1oZP14mbN3v5NrtUUyTTlPVBwhBgBGjx1o102ZtubnwhgArKvdXWdSZL8KtUN8OSTRo= ; 4YI5RPRLI_qODnisPqBm5 Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:28:52 PDT SSBoYWQgdG8gZG8gdGhlIHNhbWUgd2l0aCBteSB0ci0zLsKgIEkgZm91bmQgSSBjb3VsZCBncmluZCBvZmYgdGhlICJwZWVuZWQnIGFyZWEgb2YgZWFjaCBzdHVkIHdpdGggYW4gYW5nbGUgZ3JpbmRlci7CoCBJdCB3ZW50IGZhc3RlciB0aGFuIGEgZHJlbWVsLsKgIEkganVzdCBncm91bmQgdGhlbSBkb3duIGFzIGZsYXQgYXMgcG9zc2libGUuCgoKRG91YmxlIG51dHRpbmcgZnJvbSB0aGUgZnJvbnQgd2FzIG1vcmUgZGlmZmljdWx0LsKgIEl0IGJlY2FtZSBhbG1vc3QgaW1wb3NzaWJsZSB0byB1bnNjcmV3IGkBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] rear studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had to do the same with my tr-3. I found I could grind off the "peened' area of each stud with an angle grinder. It went faster than a dremel. I just ground them down as flat as possible. Double nutting from the front was more difficult. It became almost impossible to unscrew in one attempt. I needed to unscrew maybe 3 initial turns.......then tighten back up again and go back behind with the grinder and grind away the little "ridge" that appeared. Then proceed to unscrew with double nuts again another few turns (untill it becomes to hard to turn) .............follow this with screwing (tightening) in again...........grinding a small "ridge" from the back.......and unscrewing again. Repeat this untill the stud is free. I'm thinking the initial grind from the rear on the peened stud does not take all the material away and unscrewing the stud pushes that material out......... (and can be ground away). If you attempt to grind only once and unscrew all the way on first attempt, the material will bind in the threads and make it very difficult to unscrew. It takes LOTS of patience and strength. I think I ruined most of my wheel nuts using the double nut method but eventually did get them off. Good luck and if you need any more suggestions feel free to let me know. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 22:24:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5638E406A5 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F9240553 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130716042436640.YDOT17984@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:24:36 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=7scxCCQCtiAA:10 a=SVTj9hnhA4jBmbnTQFgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=bB0TpoiJwacA:10 a=bBm6fxK-D80A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 21/DE-06197-C8AC4E15; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:22:36 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:22:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6B1K0/27MciyCpTEOSD/sP+NA/TwAB0Srw Subject: Re: [TR] rear studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I think I ruined > most of my wheel nuts using the double nut method but Might be better to use ordinary 7/16 NF nuts ... At least they would be cheaper to replace. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 22:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4594069E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D49340536 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j1so276471oag.4 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:36:28 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cZmU45dxAI0D+glhrTmUxOX9+pkhsvG0OHTT69C0tKc=; b=PQeHmhniVX2LvjtO6L23BPMbgsPyfuM2XrutW1rjFInzTwLZ7yTtmTQFON8yex4p9+ r2pYDlutanOPloHdxW+YdjC8zQHFPNGNUwNXXua/X6BdExCRzx15fblGbVvG/Bcg9cRD egZijfDfleZKOt16TskJLmYssS+Hi83FRMi67Aaeiu6Er2Rtb5q3LruI/1VU495Z5J3v Ng+587UmdugTo7cVLKBSG7EbCO4htxLBtnW7JiB5RD3noBwt1QfyWok+UBh51RfYVNmq kX9suIqyQjflKtJopJxmsiAWaXi7LsaoQEqVkW4ytang9B33De8araUCJw7lXJy6sA+5 p5LQ== pt7mr46021107oeb.59.1373949388712; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm71552553obi.3.2013.07.15.21.36.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:36:24 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <003801ce81c7$fd8b8fa0$f8a2aee0$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/15/13 6:58 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > I agree with Randall, not sure how helpful the ZDDP additive stuff, but > there's a lot of good oils out there that I don't have to spend $10 a quart > on. > I've been running 20-50 Castrol for decades. Then they changed the formulations to make catalytic converters last longer. 3 years ago the flat tappet cam in my Ford 302 engine went flat requiring replacement of both the cam & lifters. 2 years ago the cam in my TR3's engine got replaced because of severe pitting. I only use oil with ZDDP any more. Like others I have switched to Valvoline VR1, except I'm running the synthetic stuff. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 02:35:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851854055F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 02:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA7C40403 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 02:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail40-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.231) by VA3EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.7.40.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:31:23 +0000 Received: from mail40-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail40-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D0C4E00CF for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:31:23 +0000 (UTC) IPV:NLI; H:imx1.tcd.ie; RD:imx1.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail40-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail40-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1373963481502316_12950; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.227]) by mail40-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5F0360097 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx1.tcd.ie (134.226.17.160) by VA3EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (10.7.99.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:31:21 +0000 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub1.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.14]) by imx1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D2C4820 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:31:20 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.69]) by winehub1.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.14]) with mapi; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:31:20 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:31:18 +0100 Thread-Topic: Engine oil Thread-Index: Ac6B/tg7gixE4aj+TJ2GUgcBfqpHsg== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Engine oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you all for the wealth of information and the various points of view. If this were based on consensus it would appear a 20w/50 mineral oil and not necessarily one of the 'specially formulated for classic cars' is the way to go. The addition ZDDP seems to be evenly divided, I have a query here..........what is ZDDP? Regards John 1954 TR2 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 06:25:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0C8425C3 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD3540066 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj3so732812pad.14 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:25:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4AcuFT8TN3OOkGZV8XuNwPxBVAxHMM7Q38n5f8W0gTM=; b=pfwK1P7nDqNLpdRY1KEcYYTz51qHwUm1y2yy4WXuJ2jUiftGgsaW83ul6S48SL/wLp QeFhnAc4pCwWB4kPQBeUztbhQOJeLNww6zT9CzIB6HYHMRUJ9ALKpSWrGGXTBSJh5tEJ LXBebSg0s0DDWinsXTRxEHQP/3Y8OonwkMQZ5giNfaP/tsefMSjG1DXC36VXGyR4aLfp Ygkduxt8PlN4l3r5nkfZY/PB8FEtRA3v625WbQ2bFxiy4IZTkn+b5REIFX3jpmkORmpr g7FNaHDAdo/y2LDYEfv19CN7yv/vICLnQiYGHDjBd4sQse3MkEZsBj3L5gXGookZWCFD gHlg== yn1mr1302897pbb.102.1373977500306; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.232 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:25:00 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Engine oil? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a concern amongst the old VW bus crowd as well. The air-cooled engines run hotter (~350F head temps) than liquid-cooled so we want 20w50, and with solid flat lifters people are seeking the higher ZDDP. Just yesterday I found Kendall titanium 20w50 non-synthetic at $44.62 CDN for a case of 12 US quarts, which is a great price, around here (Ottawa Canada) anyway. But I was happy just to find something suitable. The same place had Brad Penn at ~$65 a case. Jim From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" On 7/15/13 6:58 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > I agree with Randall, not sure how helpful the ZDDP additive stuff, but > there's a lot of good oils out there that I don't have to spend $10 a quart > on. > I've been running 20-50 Castrol for decades. Then they changed the formulations to make catalytic converters last longer. 3 years ago the flat tappet cam in my Ford 302 engine went flat requiring replacement of both the cam & lifters. 2 years ago the cam in my TR3's engine got replaced because of severe pitting. I only use oil with ZDDP any more. Like others I have switched to Valvoline VR1, except I'm running the synthetic stuff. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 08:27:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC9342705 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862A340E97 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:26:49 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1VSDFna1AmUA:10 a=9umFxFRTRp_BDMtiM_oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LNJDKSyykOvKjN57:21 a=HSf3LVE673QjiDL0:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55011] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 57/B2-14128-82855E15; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:26:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Gillis'" , Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:27:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6B/tg7gixE4aj+TJ2GUgcBfqpHsgALmXgg Subject: Re: [TR] Engine oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a query > here..........what is ZDDP? Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate (or something like that anyway). You've heard all the hype about oil additives that "bond with the metal" and form a "barrier against wear" ... Well, ZDDP really does that. I don't claim to fully understand it, but in the presence of bare steel, the ZDDP breaks down and leaves a microscopically thin layer of phosphate on the steel. Once the steel is coated, the process stops and the rest of the ZDDP doesn't do anything until it finds some bare steel again (or gets flushed out when you change oil). However, if the normal oil film breaks down and allows metal-to-metal contact, the phosphate layer acts as a solid lubricant to reduce wear. In addition, it is what wears away first and then gets replenished from the oil (if there is still ZDDP available in the oil). The most common place for this to happen is the tip of the cam lobes, on engines (like our Triumphs) that don't use a roller bearing between the lobe & lifter. Frequently known as "flat tappet", even though they aren't really flat. Unfortunately, the zinc & phosphorus atoms are poisonous to the catalytic converters used to reduce exhaust emissions on modern cars. So the US EPA got together with the oil makers and persuaded them to drastically cut back on the ZDDP content in the oils, so the catalytic converters would last longer. IIRC the stated goal was to push the expected life of the emissions control systems out to 200,000 miles instead of the current 100,000. The new oils do still have some ZDDP, just much less (roughly half as much as before). At least in theory, as long as the ZDDP isn't all gone by the time you change oil, then more won't help (and may have some bad effects, too much is worse than too little). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 16:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA884272A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330164044F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.67.145]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 1A8E1m0013833di01A8Eki; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:08:16 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:08:18 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6CcJxp56wme6BaT0GWA2d5FmdsFw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] 83MM LINERS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I have three new / new old stock 83 mm liners, plus a bunch of old liners. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, the old liners all have ring gaps of 20 thou or more, so I'd really like to get my hands on another new/NOS/unused liner. I know TRF sells them, but first I'd like to ask if anyone out there has an odd liner they'd sell me. Please feel free to contact me off-list if you can help out. Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 17:24:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C36842734 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FE440396 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 188-141.speede.golden.net ([216.75.188.141]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UzEaz-0003qN-Um for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:23:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:24:07 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 rear cross-member repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: A good friend has recently become a TR3 owner and while looking over the car a bit more carefully, he noticed that the rear cross-member that supports the rear spring mount has rusted pretty badly and is actually close to fracturing. I recall seeing a repair technique somewhere that involved pressing or pounding a round tube into the cross-member, then welding to complete the repair and further strengthen the tube, Anyone recall the source of the repair? Are we on the right track with this one? The I.D. of the rear member is approx. 1 1/16". Would a 1" tube work? Pretty hard to find stock tubing that would be a tighter fit. Thanks for any advice on this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 16 17:41:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7042734 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC24403DE for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:41:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:41:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:41:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374018075; bh=L5C1KoJjMqySe5wVNlaq7f3RZRhjQ4+XSC+a91rLA3o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=4iIk0ipt5lJ0YNLP0orHMrHKmz1nYOKS6wrk4ujrX5bEPe21Jnn9aPX6ma58w6J29xVPIMpdDVM8qDOnKesMFvTfuksKb1N3gAl52kk4I+D9N9DUCuGndMWU3ZzZYKTnBXNEd6eptkhsgcLkeolczvjRGfk7p0pzAxvKa7aKYx8= GAxkFeUWiw6LHCt9mho3nu6b5po2GkGUO2OXD3Byme2gX9W8GHfUBn0kPTUO sl4cFD0.OtG7gcPX4tSQcusYQiEvG1oetAOmAWkCJqET9_4avqLWl2Px296x QMY7asVawM_5wYObTpwGGbwZWxijViuRm0pbkGhVC.DjX6B6XX5o_0SiRb7b IXEt1r7hNiTB4vwWz5pLQhFx5TphyDcLvgswuztjQ3a65UkzT5W1paoPMTGk 4tNGAfgB6tBdqjoA2BF89Oaf6D7fvI0kZtVSucMXNR4o6ePp_1RrOdcoeWnS pcH_QXVW3_J1hkml_SzmAwBCXFNqz2nXevv5xMJu068KuE4kRY97azFlcCgm GAvsUBbG44p2qfNCBs5bdDLYTOQt9Cu85v6NGflgcW5L9CTjiXAJUvp_fqoS 2TmtAvSDNssw62FIiM5Wg8jE2w.qAgX2Qva.ZfoCFrINcEKlGRbfqVtyxZmT rue1m8fHvO9YS3BN9H5wTVNSsNF5_xpVEKII7l7VO4Qtm8dNZA8tid3pxQO4 NhHSQDtVttEjQTguJMa5GKqqINvqM7A8eD7K25vKtanHCRMTAaIdx1VuYHZA PbbrSDz0nePcYIp69C5aluqVKQA-- smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 16:41:15 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: <51E5D617.10104@execulink.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:41:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6Ce6KMmBNnLxZEQae0J+UbsyssqgAAZ1Kg Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 rear cross-member repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I did something similar to that with my TR3B. I went to a muffler shop and got a short length from their scrap bin. But I used it to replace the outrigger, not re-enforce it. I think I have also heard of people using galvanized plumbing pipe from the local home improvement center to go inside of an existing tube as you suggest. Also, I fabricated the little pedestal at the end pretty easily as opposed to paying $70ea from one of our fav supply houses. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:24 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 rear cross-member repair Hello List: A good friend has recently become a TR3 owner and while looking over the car a bit more carefully, he noticed that the rear cross-member that supports the rear spring mount has rusted pretty badly and is actually close to fracturing. I recall seeing a repair technique somewhere that involved pressing or pounding a round tube into the cross-member, then welding to complete the repair and further strengthen the tube, Anyone recall the source of the repair? Are we on the right track with this one? The I.D. of the rear member is approx. 1 1/16". Would a 1" tube work? Pretty hard to find stock tubing that would be a tighter fit. Thanks for any advice on this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 14:01:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A65E403F1 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158DA403A6 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170064pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MQ3006J6JLMF0T0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:00:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 131.247.90.72 ([131.247.90.72]) by vznit170064 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:00:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:00:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Before I get it registered I need to get insurance. Any 'watch out for' items for: Hagerty Classic Underwriters Heacock any others I should consider? Thanks C Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 15:10:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8971740519 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B8F403DE for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.70.24]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 1Z5p1m00G0XRdNE01Z5poE; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:05:51 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Carl TR'" , References: <19313154.1570244.1374091258624.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:05:55 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKxELuvv9pGuZcmESuz2+niHQIh/ZekQTRQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have three cars with American Collectors. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:01 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Before I get it registered I need to get insurance. Any 'watch out for' items for: Hagerty Classic Underwriters Heacock any others I should consider? Thanks C Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 15:33:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF85F42705 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626574051D for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:32:30 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=zUvjfEcc5yIA:10 a=MJTch5VW7II3HIlPZ_AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 36/BA-14128-D6D07E15; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:32:29 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Carl TR'" , Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:32:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6DKHVJSGXRPMezTue5USWn9eVJ2wADCNHg Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Any 'watch out for' items for: > Hagerty > Classic Underwriters > Heacock > > any others I should consider? Depends on your planned usage. All of the 'collector' insurers will have limits that may or may not be a problem for you. In my case, I do drive the car to work and keep it outdoors, both of which disqualify me for collector's insurance. But Mercury has treated me fairly IMO, even when that idiot plowed into my TR3A, making me the Oreo filling in a 4 car pile-up. But it wasn't a show-winner either. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 16:46:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865A44271F for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4DC4006D for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so1840691vbg.11 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:45:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ws2BDaUs4xumwcEwBiDZLTt/E49jVdrDW04HuLku9i4=; b=mYPM1RYoiumh8Jgtf0Qp8q37/tqcfdOBSEjgcUpJa5NCNUYI4tathOMASP9tgt2ZMw Lmtyps5TYNrBeyETdqnaF/VTrZp8oJFxu+SZ0IPGNcVKPKJ7mLL7Hk3qJhXX6zewPouQ KuPXg4IYv09ZfCLozGGlHgAZXet1EMIAKnrLM8k7J2wc9KR8nGWSmE7NJ4AxCGDLcn6x 968VCEUbqIzS9tClLMTUQ2rzmkspKZndoB05u04lZYB9vH8LEFSE5kPfRHYTG7WI94H3 6dK7Ju2Q3voydBxqfvqBwERCwnu3ciBF/b25KlEFm9krcst80MVshxpZgBPtEdau0hg3 qwmg== Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:45:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <19313154.1570244.1374091258624.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:45:28 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Carl TR Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl -- I have Hagerty and am totally satisfied with them. My only claim was a windscreen but they were prompt and totally fair. I previously had Condon & Skelly -- never had a claim there though I know some who have and they were very well taken care of. One factor for me was my umbrella policy with my everyday carrier... most insurers do not want to write an umbrella if some of the cars are insured elsewhere unless they have a close relationship with the other carrier. Allstate has such a relationship with Hagerty. Condon & Skelly had (and may still have) such a relationship with Met Life. If you do need an umbrella and your carrier will not provide it with your classic car insurance your can still get it from a third party -- just will be an insurer you never heard of. Your agent (or any decent agent) will have access to such lines. Hagerty limits your use -- definitely no commuting to work -- but the limit is in how you use it rather than a miles figure and the restrictions are not so strict that you cannot enjoy the car. You can get a quote from their website (that way lets you play around with some options and different valuations) and it should be exactly what the final premium amount will be once you are accepted. If, after using the website, whether you get the coverage direct from Hagerty or thru an agent, the amount will be the same. The Hagerty site has a pretty good app for figuring the value of a collector car based on specifics and condition. Valuations are pretty important in their business so they keep good data on that. For all of my cars they have only required some photos be emailed to them -- no appraisal was required. They may have also wanted to see copies of some paperwork such as the dec page on my other cars' coverage. You do have to have at least one other car per driver in the household (to assure them no one will be using the collector car as their daily driver). They readily agreed to the value I placed on the cars. I have raised that value a couple of times (usually once a year) with just a phone call. Geo On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Before I get it registered I need to get insurance. > > Any 'watch out for' items for: > Hagerty > Classic Underwriters > Heacock ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 18:29:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D4840422 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78D340382 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8E5F970000095; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mhb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.187.195]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5BDE1E000082; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:27:39 -0400 (EDT) References: <19313154.1570244.1374091258624.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.141.15 by webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.139) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:27:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:27:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1374107259; bh=dPHzXnOIyM7hIttD6cHdQWlpsfSGoqeRU3CjuU074EA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OGAJ6oxBYL0/hsiLk5Fad9QpJvw7/bFspo4yKm4uEZITPR9XKXhd6yTM9G7utWJYP V1e8lbbR8H8iDAQIWHFt7oK8MQ08pqY5mI/66KjN/74oamdYuHrayf6EajJnaIajPB RlYOtn0USr4BN4qvP3FKcv3FnA0PBzfQ6Kq2QFXk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51e7367b2ae0 Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Plenty of choices out there. IMO, the only things that (should) matter: 1. Determine whose "limitations" (where, when and how much you can drive it each year) best fit your intentions. 2. Get "agreed" rather than "stated" value, i.e., you and the insurance company decide what the car is worth in case the worst happens, and review that periodically as values (hopefully) rise. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:01 pm Subject: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Before I get it registered I need to get insurance. Any 'watch out for' items for: Hagerty Classic Underwriters Heacock any others I should consider? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 19:31:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD62B40566 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67CE403DB for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130718013005.HCXV6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:30:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 1dW51m00933eLpB05dW5ir; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:30:05 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zUvjfEcc5yIA:10 a=uF5j8CTK35_YMO8UtzMA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=7bDZV_pgX-sA:10 a=Yv2HJWHv3ZoA:10 a=CyHsY6gg33rvfc8c:21 a=N3E7sgZ-r1V1Vddy:21 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:30:05 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <19313154.1570244.1374091258624.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/17/2013 6:45 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Hagerty limits your use -- definitely no commuting to work -- "Hagerty provides coverage for collector vehicles that are used on a limited basis  e.g. club functions, exhibitions, organized meets, tours and limited pleasure driving." Some days it's a pleasure to drive to work. They don't seem to have a problem with that. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 19:46:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D704056A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEC5403DB for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ha12so1883496vcb.21 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:42:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=O7ov6M4ZEkGBSHqHqiLkoZIWKoiwLUaIGIah7JskRwI=; b=Sm8pshryGeVZPEY+lToRKcNhtp2cJwr6Nfz3GP+ys3+lVL962VXCQTDSLL7wWfigXD F6zigU673x68A/Y3UAZVFMWb9sFchWedBo/rv+Fg42otYc3hodNGm125xv6SixLkm+jA 0NhFWfMxAF6rUufJH/Qcw73LupfDXVP5J+E4oJ6UNxwkBa77oSgvk0FaqFOVOcRs7dBa OoFEcxLMcUi1J68PeCDftPqpaX2roQCwUkpGREGUSvK7FGrKrsMa1f7NF6k3HQ0uWK+P wRsV770DQZF45XjNAfX50IQrYWARc37+drtTcfXJxK7QRRoleAZ83VdkLON1i/noYEpw 3nUg== kk6mr3141372veb.1.1374111770689; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:42:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <19313154.1570244.1374091258624.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> <51E7451D.6020300@charter.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:42:50 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jeff Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Jeff wrote: > On 7/17/2013 6:45 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > >> Hagerty limits your use -- definitely no commuting to work -- >> > > "Hagerty provides coverage for collector vehicles that are used on a > limited basis e.g. club functions, exhibitions, organized meets, tours > and limited pleasure driving." > > Some days it's a pleasure to drive to work. They don't seem to have a > problem with that. Well their description of use is a bit vague... "We believe cars are made to be driven. So our policy allows limited pleasure use with no fixed mileage limits. Whether it's a drive on a gorgeous summer day, a trip to the ice cream shop, attending club events or going to shows, you're covered." ...but if you have an accident at 7:30 am on a Tuesday in downtown Metropolis, I think they'll be asking some pointed questions about where you were going. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 20:12:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998FC40566 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BAE403DB for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 02:12:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.170] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 02:12:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 02:12:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 77192 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2013 02:12:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374113547; bh=hzdo0iQbEqIsDlnBwNXOII1Md1svbtjXAT6dLCTMzzc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4gx4kqMMiVFkUGqBuKUXc1uevluDumXcTCD4o83rOq2q89PIk19DaN4x111Lz4FHEcFKUnmi+3MydPkfAAZHSl/NNl2YD5B/sO8csvpHWSr7EcfkGaQSdMbYScBkXXb1YEtR506cxkwJEcJyD1lyLmcc/kwi0Yfy/ldTwO9Awh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vUqdbrtq2gmuMMrqVoGMgRUg194nhUqmGh8xcsqZdg0EOH+shW0sFpPqIi8C1/h01wbuQIa/ab7g/FRWr9qnUGjwfghwkrbTLU9u1vWDyFQrFeaa0I5NxJ0S/enL+tpX/K1ydFyJDvzn0i7Mxq9YbtWOapPKHXgMtHumkG0sCfA= ; G3A44yZRMoaWtssqTQ4Efgd4NFfhho5b2LhP6.ZsFghO.A6VAyYBM8gV3FAU lrqJGg0X72b4qSrZlhvmCXmqEwcQS3duHU3E.CWxia0NwejVnmLCejcZWMIN xJLksK53U.23Iz9jUNVY0wPsuzaJjIXzOBFivn8texJesqGTTx8bj56ejJHh wS9kqrV6RkYDRJBNxHa7m4dQIako1stenvl7ov_qdF3mXp71sbHgapsuLI9s zBGDWuw30oFttiLJDjhEBHPK2X2v1hn4oOxEI4T_CZ5C8ewPDVP1FQoGTIDR _qJWemPhS.RUrmxGpojYO42Q7q6KgfSeIQSO8GcgxufUWu7aCQG8BvdR6_5I xE3OMfbN4o4uRsrwE0ORtHz0Wt6yd2swqxMFBi13GSy35BN5tDbjzxgkW.lW FZ9v2jUBowRDk.y3DkFS3KtpIty3ovvkCay6.fNo5dxkX4yQm.ThuG65qhtJ qoH6kPPY27ibxcyogZgMsCIzFhWQ9gdzjsoGh0tPxZswew8fPNlWUodVmFg- - Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:12:27 PDT V2hhdCBhIHdvbmRlcmZ1bCBleHBlcmllbmNlIcKgIEkgd2FzIHByZXR0eSBzdXJlIG15IHZpYnJhdGlvbiBjYW1lIGZyb20gdGhlIGRyaXZlIHNoYWZ0IHNvIEkgdG9vayBpdCB0byBhIG1hY2hpbmUgc2hvcCB0aGF0IGFsc28gc3BlY2lhbGl6ZWQgaW4gZHJpdmUgc2hhZnQgd29yay7CoCBJIGRpZG4ndCBldmVuIGxvb2sgYXQgaXQgZm9yIGFueSBwcm9ibGVtcyBhbmQgaW1tZWRpYXRlbHkgdXBvbiBsYXlpbmcgaXQgb24gdGhlIGNvdW50ZXIgdGhlIG1lY2hhbmljIHNhdyB0aGUgcHJvYmxlbS7CoCBPbmUgc3ABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] conclusion to vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What a wonderful experience! I was pretty sure my vibration came from the drive shaft so I took it to a machine shop that also specialized in drive shaft work. I didn't even look at it for any problems and immediately upon laying it on the counter the mechanic saw the problem. One spring clip was missing and that cap had worked its way out and was almost flung off the universal joint. He noticed another spring clip that wasn't completely seated and fixed that as well as seated the cap and installed another spring clip. Opened my billfold and he said no charge. Not worth fiddling with. Something that doesn't happen too often in this world. Also embarrassed that I didn't inspect better when I installed the joints in the first place. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 20:25:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFE940566 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D254403DB for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 1eR11m00J53lu5001eR13b; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:25:02 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <19313154.1570244.1374091258624.JavaMail.root@vznit170064><51E7451D.6020300@charter.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:25:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Honestly, mr agent, I had just tuned the carbs and was going for a test drive! in your suit? ...but if you have an accident at 7:30 am on a Tuesday in downtown Metropolis, I think they'll be asking some pointed questions about where you were going. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 20:43:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C31F403EE for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A24D403DB for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1doD1m0050EZKEL54eipNG; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:42:49 +0000 Received: from [10.238.5.116] ([174.250.192.255]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1eif1m00W5X4zCm3Meii9d; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:42:47 +0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:42:47 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1374115369; bh=R026VTauM5rH0vkEJd2UOiPb+kh3Ca3ENtYjpGcWOZg=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tHrbShWkwD8xcNVaXjCOZwqsCm6joDUGWQZtQ5CZbIkULgmX41xi50+iVkHuZyPHD NTOEBAqIcQe/urpNpJHgerFF9FgqcLjDwNURZ3QShvnvCPfpnuY8Piwt6kpQSdORiM YvWf8HYPJslcRLrjLEKoOUk8r3Rfw84CgvZMS+TJqBMGLpJKPxz3RiFJBL8Bh7W9Tz uQ9JgEenGTUxV11Aw9DFXAR7oiQQF/7FVuO6P6jhA7VZXlsROIR9rH7cMOAiWkkdXg 0ZjaXHw0Umzr4m7gJX4TW8QiB6CXBNgOD8+a3kr622u3sEtnUi9RBbbUndkfCpiwRZ GuFSHbjSCSw5g== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Insurance_for_TR3?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The guys at heathcock didn't ask anything like that..she just asked what happened (weekday) and processed it. I'm sure if you wad it up at a track they might have some concerns, or if you have ...er...history. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dave" To: Subject: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:25 pm Honestly, mr agent, I had just tuned the carbs and was going for a test drive! in your suit? ....but if you have an accident at 7:30 am on a Tuesday in downtown Metropolis, I think they'll be asking some pointed questions about where you were going. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 20:43:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5571E42756 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1068E425AD for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1e2W1m0080S2fkCA4ej26F; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:43:02 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1ej21m0042yr1eL8Vej2Li; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:43:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:43:02 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Dave s=q20121106; t=1374115382; bh=954gt6/NVidt96j73OJjqqWCQKapB5Hd5SX3vnXNEZA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UsXv1sFGLbcxZM8g5sfyGscDdPCndHS9KwXwtuRrtvXYNWrayp9nzYwxCDQ85fl+W fdefqxKgutCGHHsFfDtUjqiBKMNNgXqIDSALRF7pjawZlMFZLXYB0Ip/L/cldMYiBz fHm11LPnWByDHcvaqY1FHAAtP7+MnDXW2myYmqRfd+ZWYPfc/JCBhWht6KH181bsYy ufpPf0My+aZmDPNMSYDKR6TK8O//mVksie8Ua8RvT2Ai3eIAiM7IdUtET+lo9/JCUX 7rS3CSrwx2qI7gNJXkGsJPoBDLM1bCPJhBburz5BlrGvRbo5zSuM49uweUAvwSlaif jQ58NbdPyMMSw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I very recently signed with Hagerty for my TR3A street licensed vintage race car. I believe the mileage can be adjusted for as much as you like. A tour could be across country and back or all around, up and down, zigging and zagging the country and back. Who could deny doing that? They just know that it's not likely to happen very often. It's just not supposed to be the main daily use vehicle. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:25:02 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Insurance for TR3 Honestly, mr agent, I had just tuned the carbs and was going for a test drive! in your suit? ...but if you have an accident at 7:30 am on a Tuesday in downtown Metropolis, I think they'll be asking some pointed questions about where you were going. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 07:34:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F73D40519 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [74.52.222.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891EA40066 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C57C2CCBDAE5B; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:29:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9D5CCBDADE3 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:29:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UzoHP-0006ZQ-HL for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:29:59 -0500 Received: from 192.246.38.1 ([192.246.38.1]) (proxying for 192.246.38.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:29:59 -0500 References: <1374113547.55575.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:29:59 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: Re: [TR] conclusion to vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great report! And another example of a triumph (!) of the marketplace. I'm guessing that I know where you'll go the next time you need machine-shop work? And you'll probably recommend this shop to your friends. And if you would kindly tell where you are and the name of the shop? Cheers! Lee > What a wonderful experience! I was pretty sure my vibration came from the > drive shaft so I took it to a machine shop that also specialized in drive > shaft work. I didn't even look at it for any problems and immediately upon > laying it on the counter the mechanic saw the problem. One spring clip was > missing and that cap had worked its way out and was almost flung off the > universal joint. He noticed another spring clip that wasn't completely seated > and fixed that as well as seated the cap and installed another spring clip. > Opened my billfold and he said no charge. Not worth fiddling with. > > Something > that doesn't happen too often in this world. Also embarrassed that I didn't > inspect better when I installed the joints in the first place. > > gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 11:44:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D09C4056A for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C840403E3 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1oJ21m0021uE5Es5CtjoRM; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:43:48 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([98.218.152.215]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1tjn1m01c4f5vDe3ctjoHD; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:43:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:43:44 -0400 From: John T Nichols User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1374169428; bh=CzIAzL/Qaw4v9yrEOxgnJObnxKA/H/gTXpclpNOST18=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=HltAhoD1d/lqBK6Xsi3+2rTFnRI6RszFvKhBRdHLUX3JMIkDztgnGm3lEjE1piJCs PE5z2QzOCr7zQGuggkBIhBDAt03tmEs1UpzU7g5EYR4sqGJvkPj7KpSGGWJlOtIIZD wJpmc5xm6DkjfK2AvpXtUo83exIKYwuPsbc/qTXu06iCGebpfZRstVHFsWWJoXDUuL A6dX5c4OATwaxoo5gFfuWl1Lss2NpaUxQZBhNY2SKPal2hSESh5pBGTEQ6aYRQOtYk R2KPCg6ZIq5V79dzCHyuzvoN+MsENhFKgfeB2audqtnUxD5XTWTzh+p5HjYt8I33B7 xtZpm+1FpjRIQ== Subject: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?refer=news A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only $83,000 ($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? OK, I get it you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out your collection. B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? There was a TV movie recently about WW2 spies circa 1942 that had a Triumph Roadster in several of the shots. Looked period but wasn't. John T. Nichols 1958 TR3A TS32093LO 1986 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 12:10:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766AC406A6 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6283F40324 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1niL1m0061swQuc5Au9Kiq; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:09:19 +0000 Received: from [10.255.177.26] ([174.251.144.102]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1u971m00L2CmZnS3bu99Du; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:09:17 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBUIE5pY2hvbHM=?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:09:15 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1374170959; bh=yyflw6mTuSJzRCMatSIOjGn9R4D3eHQ6eHhsfBzrESk=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s3WmmiFbL7o9sRMNGQqe1cq/Zx54IXp3fbyvED5S/Rmdg6cH1gAoHY/lDj3D0UJqI tC86g0b8uTK+1Va+EtvXeDJ9s1+jHfjJpo6JSkgPKv6OM6BWcSCFmMzuDVigXFr2AB Hv8so7xIn6O0/hHmNsKlWsyQGIFD7t+yjrAwyV9sLld4oF6SP/lWpZYU50Ejf+zofK S+7J2fWDrmk2+hvtiGSaVyhEYdRwMjNxIkUi5iwtPbYAswUc4qDbWTAThK8vUGgoLA Dhuw4yxNZ6fMrvcJ0ofkEW0409rFmTrDL3VVs81vPl2psjp5iifubxarNO23TIpXQx LrysdFoa7RWsQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Triumph_Roadster?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, just think of why you might want such a sports car. It doesn't handle, doesn't accelerate, doesn't stop. Other then that, its a road burner. I suspect the above is why my buddy is putting a Pinto engine, trans, rearend and discs in his! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "John T Nichols" To: Subject: [TR] Triumph Roadster Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 12:43 pm http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?refer=news A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only $83,000 ($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? OK, I get it you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out your collection. B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? There was a TV movie recently about WW2 spies circa 1942 that had a Triumph Roadster in several of the shots. Looked period but wasn't. John T. Nichols 1958 TR3A TS32093LO 1986 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 12:41:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93A7426C2 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFB5403E3 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 18:38:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.245] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 18:38:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 18:38:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19233 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2013 18:38:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374172703; bh=sQTkpP1mAsqmiyg+B4D0mk32GwNQ4rFGwKLEZ+gMVag=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GuHZxIUXI0Z138jd6NrymayfFTCQp/Cu8PwlbbhBTdmCJ+JSVZZnylM0g48tZ8fur9p/B+igXTwhgGG77zamTBNoDGWiAV12qfIjJqup+lziBs6h6fMTuqyYIfLgqtDKKIfXA3/xR8fO2RCJimT5mroITKl51IlIPKrOKDlfIgg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=njUGVOdwxHDcGHBeahNAKRLpqHF3GRe9mFiN6mOryp2uZWyr2731lhum4Z/fEoSpsLVcX+YvwVfQizMmy9f+CSW5Odfwq15/UUfWNUXMbU7ze/d6Ucgpneghy9GPqkY2UK5XqGG+D+E8a6vKL99m8S1nRdW7XExx1O8+9DXxJV8=; Z94VhxgjeiygWJcVyxyfJ3k2h6wBqShCG8sbZnFbRjIBzt4q_rttxTPMs2kd eG_5riqgfRUUZ9foly3lYEeyG5L_Mkq2X8XRkWbmaHYbL5kx_md56M6wGabF lNoxNhEZB6KlqlcXMFoj1tNFZY0ekJlG5Kvxrdv74U6ANJF2i7CzXzUIjfie WVslDOLDngt9GBtSwtXHBNpjKNxiCbkixm_9DRLLMrYrPZaN0EENU9LUhErI 1MiRbAlSE.a7BU6Yn_BNfzKH2z.2bxeBlL1NGRIKUxHWJpn1oJwISluG0wXh LxMXxNp7RWBHWw9eXv0sBgX6hx.TVlp0zMBuM_LH_MB35FgSD69o2Ry_oNCb u090T1OQeQH0rTSyNIoY.kt3r0pLi7kSvAH_Q5NuCq8kRbXAotrJSzd.RJjW fVVKQQImNuWaX_pxakSMN6QfGhyd6KF8tsJd1FtrbAd5cVcfCNAcDjdHixRD OPBdHf6BsQvPlgBYI.2d_Y9hYREQJc1LsP_NdR4NLfm1oV3PmfgsuIFY8w9D 7a_TND6kbywWYvpfZvMPxSkcEYpE7.XkZdQBivjSXIgQfUnlk_1QRHQwOPRt wnv8uL5WtToE6p9NSi13SUaHSsKtR8eSUJnLwB2PFIcGS40rIZm76glDjod9 3eM85FSWq.iWC7jUZlJjxjgtwF1PKDug8y10M0xmn8XNGkxS7mKsX8uPpZC7 0oA-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:38:23 PDT CgoKV2h5IHdvdWxkIGFueW9uZSB3YW50IG9uZT8KwqAKMSkgc3VwZXIgc2V4eSBsaW5lcwoyKSBzdWljaWRlIGRvb3JzCjMpIGFsbCBhbHVtaW51bSBib2R5IG92ZXIgYXNoCjQpIG1vdGhlciBpbiBsYXcgcmVhciBzZWF0CjUpIGNsYXNzaWMgZmVlbGluZyB3aGVuIGRyaXZlbgo2KSByYXJpdHkKwqAKwqAKwqAKSWYgeW91IHdhbnRlZCBvbmUsIHdoeSB3b3VsZCB5b3UgcGF5ICQ4MywwMDA_CsKgCmlmIHRoaXMgbG90dGVyeSB0aWNrZXQgaW4gbXkgcG9ja2V0IGlzIGdvb2QuLmlsbCBuZWdvdGlhdGUgb3Igc2UBMAEBAQE- References: <51E82950.4000604@comcast.net> <1374172538.99718.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Why would anyone want one? 1) super sexy lines 2) suicide doors 3) all aluminum body over ash 4) mother in law rear seat 5) classic feeling when driven 6) rarity If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? if this lottery ticket in my pocket is good..ill negotiate or seek out same or better. but on my current poor salary, all I can do is lust Frank To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: [TR] Triumph Roadster http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?ref er=news A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only $83,000 ($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? OK, I get it you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out your collection. B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? There was a TV movie recently about WW2 spies circa 1942 that had a Triumph Roadster in several of the shots. Looked period but wasn't. John T. Nichols 1958 TR3A TS32093LO 1986 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 12:57:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A76740543 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAC0403DF for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1njJ1m0031ei1Bg55uuxM3; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:54:57 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([98.218.152.215]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1uuw1m00q4f5vDe3kuuwrD; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:54:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:54:52 -0400 From: John T Nichols User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: Frank Fisher , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <51E82950.4000604@comcast.net> <1374172538.99718.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> s=q20121106; t=1374173697; bh=rK9x+tqHAad1KcuiG6vlT3Z5Lxx/zOjF94G2lOq8faA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=WhTFW5c2u8sTpo74pFfRMGG5kuVJm5iN0EAofBJTyIxaCHsKcr0Z2KKSFYRy45RWZ sDAKs8oqjnx0DZmf9N5s8WJezxxC/N/9IZv9F1ut7LPgtXcvXdHU2h10W75KeuG3S6 1C901h7s4LigI0yZiC3pHLwPwzMi4QdOIUlBtdPUt5NR8rgjjEkGUpydJ1oDhl1qw5 PHpw8GlX25iEY4zd+Ph4vVEM1iDlM4tQwsShLvjiT4Ar3mFhd6Tjmh1xkTBzt0S8yd rCMiHb0eVwH9huQ68VFdis8FRi9/TvwJGHsdgHjG79HJfgfuZ0tsQovNIuozgTSSr5 2kjoCzALv26cA== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 13:14:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1317140543 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95342400A5 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1oUy1m0051c6gX856v90Wq; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:09:00 +0000 Received: from [10.240.30.77] ([174.241.0.101]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1v8o1m0182AlBJ63jv8rGs; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:08:58 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?RnJhbmsgRmlzaGVy?=" ,"Triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:08:56 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1374174540; bh=A8XGWrZfwww4TaSe7+SXZlX9INa484D8IYWX7HZfqxQ=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ic5SLseyWz2zkNWFyH332ponS1YTYMXuItLkRgrKgVzh8xBtRtjlOjvJcAdBCUuzj G3UE90LGHlpTRrwYWG6TNVr2q8/RUVCuWsW9S7cGr2yEkNQhqRnyGVDaMXbGoGv0V6 s1okhM2m5Qx8gjEHs54+Amn8mQUB4d92kcCJfpxkY6PmGnT8ZMumjwU8wcXkcUNqnO 30P9bcjrAQ94r/TdqHG/bnML0x2qH9Bbz+o8WtNyVgkxGKF/jXsR27vMKE7T/G1v3r sZBWHPuCzO4ozTEt51w3mmmjh0HlYdVqU0i7E+uqD2eE0807JObxhDPJh+LUG2RyMr qH5WpBbCQr37w== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A__Triumph_Roadster?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Drive one first, Frank. There are other rides out there that will match your specs, and are more useable. BTW, I noticed how little my friend's car's front wheels turn, lock to lock. There is a physical stop, so nothing is broken. It just seems odd for the car to have such an immense turning radius. It's huge compared to my Riley, esp. considering how maneuverable Triumphs in general seem to be. I wonder if there was a tire clearance problem and this was the fix? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Frank Fisher" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumph Roadster Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 1:38 pm Why would anyone want one? 1) super sexy lines 2) suicide doors 3) all aluminum body over ash 4) mother in law rear seat 5) classic feeling when driven 6) rarity If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? if this lottery ticket in my pocket is good..ill negotiate or seek out same or better. but on my current poor salary, all I can do is lust Frank To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: [TR] Triumph Roadster http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?ref er=news A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only $83,000 ($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? OK, I get it you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out your collection. B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? There was a TV movie recently about WW2 spies circa 1942 that had a Triumph Roadster in several of the shots. Looked period but wasn't. John T. Nichols 1958 TR3A TS32093LO 1986 TVR 280i ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 13:49:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778C640446 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E90403DF for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=P0HhkcHTN68A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=3uozNPWGAAAA:8 a=ih5FJdHswN3SLovx_oEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=cjwUwae7N8IA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=nxPd_4Ta_tAuNWT9:21 a=UeHVl1qX7cyzkb1N:21 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:34820] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 14/13-14128-7A648E15; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:48:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:48:55 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, John T Nichols Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- John T Nichols wrote: > http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?refer=news > > A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only $83,000 > ($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? OK, I get it > you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out your collection. > B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? Because $83,000 isn't a lot of money to you; and the best part about having money is being able to spend it as you please. Especially if you didn't have to work for it in the first place. If the description is accurate, it might even be worth that much. True collectors place a premium on "original" as opposed to "restored". And as with any "collector" object, it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 14:22:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAEE40513 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:22:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2484403DF for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 20:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 35495 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2013 20:22:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374178953; bh=qzwEuIp9TXrM7HfKn2PgedYCXSe8KvPgijh/Y1u+tD4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G7UcInQpj2J8RcBbl5YgHbNWV1ls+BGg2v6/SOvh6BDoroht9AFDMAc7O+sLPTLe7gIoLQ91XzMiIW7oZsrHCkqBn06WPt1Y3TXQz/M97ZISZ85EhQvjAYdBgfpDU6zltIkHjm4keN/mssN0oYc8BCxwxjLBwLnlOicZW0PN4Pc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pvmkevAF0HmpnZG2vf3LId1d54/oW4zC8nG6g6BjFOsHmgsKGe8qb/Zjs9sPzOLPNVXjOvxiCRccfvDJTEKBc4DKBrlHMgNuWyJoYoP+MywtUZE4+Lr8hZlsSoIyTyDIjS9gKVO6GNw63AJHwMcYTqk99KuA3ybKABqHBw/hmZ0=; JT8kxjMwc3UnghlNQvoTwgBqs0KbPO2PMcVZJZsGdtxNU0Z21LUoNghfe5OY gRacMqb0ec9YCC92jdM8Cx_5RNxo427zZBfCJMWBJE6gYqqwO0G7CgJPYjse 5vk8aCZnmLT_3QmJ4o9RR1CN_sN_Jc4ZLxogHKbiNAOkeGhgGiDf8qtS8aN_ P6H57e1.ySIBdR6dHYyumXkbklkSsNiux5JDTooMSu9ft16pDzorONSuDTzs DSt.pkbYv0LZ5IWEOzEG7usyVv.b_dH_sTBfkUhO8hoagNLDSE3N_nPUzL5j FEEcIYSdBE5quHard9.wdrIZ3VmK0sOKSx8N2ASrxOpvncbTTZjYXECJvjSi sQeU8DAB2y_w6plkdt_a.rprZMGncOk1hXM4hWJImIaD5KcsehlvyRtxQ1GY a3sO1Ewg_aiWaVrrnLCRdKYSQqdteRl6pU2a_F2_GbMwNCfmnOdfiH.qPZ54 GFfe7a7n_UwlGUGwAxxcHWbh.oagNBENUcXnxNT_Pmj6pve5RgyzszSUMQ.c mnNBp2QceY11QpnnIpCd4QEY1t5sb_cUzzT5NJ0EwcmYL8lbOBT9tvFCGxQu 8guxyWhTTEuZEjopSLVsROGLR4y1LsuzrKErqTlNEEg5.PZjQCEIWjybxa2j lkQ6LH6kx8rpBOSGVcWQGE1e8fLAWQura_.l_HJmcDPpW1Rq2CGQhp_zPqj3 2pg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:22:33 PDT ZG8geW91IG1lYW4gdmFndWUgYW5kICAgIHVuY2VydGFpbiBzdGVlcmluZz8KeWVzLgphbmQgdGhlIG5lZWQgdG8gZG91YmxlIGRlIGNsdXRjaCB3aGVuIGNoYW5naW5nIGdlYXIuLi5vaCB5ZXMuLmlsbCB0YWtlIGFsbCBvZiB0aGF0IGFuZCBtb3JlIGJlc2lkZXMuCsKgCm5vdCByZWFsbHkgc3VpY2lkZS4uLkkgdGhpbmsgaW0gdHVybmluZyBBbWVyaWNhbiB3aXRoIHRoYXQgY29sb25pYWxpc20uIGxhdWdoLiBhcyBJIHJlY2FsbCBkYWQncyAxOTMyIGZvcmQgWSB0eXBlIGhhZCBkb29ycyBvZiBzYW1lIG9wZW4BMAEBAQE- References: <51E82950.4000604@comcast.net> <1374172538.99718.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51E839FC.7080107@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: John T Nichols , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net do you mean vague and uncertain steering? yes. and the need to double de clutch when changing gear...oh yes..ill take all of that and more besides. not really suicide...I think im turning American with that colonialism. laugh. as I recall dad's 1932 ford Y type had doors of same opening type. and we 4 kids, mom and grandma never did badly by them. To: Frank Fisher ; "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Ah, yes, automobile as sculpture, an Art Deco artistic statement a la the 1937/38 Talbot Lago teardrop coupe but for less money, far less money. By "classic feeling when driven" do you mean vague and uncertain steering? I have to confess that the rumble seat is rather endearing. As to "suicide doors" I've always found that term a bit extreme. My dad's 1948 Studebaker sedan had that type of rear door and my brother (as did his 1953 MG TD) and I are still here. JTN Frank Fisher wrote: Why would anyone want one? > >1) super sexy lines >2) suicide doors >3) all aluminum body over ash >4) mother in law rear seat >5) classic feeling when driven >6) rarity > > > >If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? > >if this lottery ticket in my pocket is good..ill negotiate or seek out same or better. >but on my current poor salary, all I can do is lust > > >Frank > > > >From: John T Nichols mailto:jtnichols@comcast.net >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:43 AM >Subject: [TR] Triumph Roadster > > >http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?re fer=news > >A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only $83,000 >($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? OK, I get it >you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out your collection. >B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? > >There was a TV movie recently about WW2 spies circa 1942 that had a >Triumph Roadster in several of the shots. Looked period but wasn't. > >John T. Nichols >1958 TR3A TS32093LO >1986 TVR 280i > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 14:29:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A7E40550 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E799400A4 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so3465204pde.32 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:25:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=XAasPwzP04yLCGlpB6oewX0D3O1AxgOcwboK4jq0vnI=; b=EFtAgEyuikJfKwo6/Hjcfpi8O4iuH8N8Lbnp68CcHKoKxnUHI6uVvk+59MS0M+5Zx6 K+ebRAz4PkSe7L+sSywgVEpxZcvX513yWoKy+ME7XRz+tEphVz2spsm5InDDio1Zb1iB y/Q+fUuUbe39Kcfs2F8FTxs9yv63p/TCtfVPvBYCQQm42koe4dw3+NGP2S2XBPghp86n caf5ARnQa2i1TqAzizixWHNz6L9jxNZ89iWax6raBbcrv7sGK2/vdBG51jWZna6LM78m /6tXD1X+Xm5zVYaZ8d+qhg4v+V8uZB9XQHQYP31s390zauHFrG6IprXBuywiXHP2CMSq dBCw== qq3mr13857163pbb.10.1374179109978; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.61.70 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:25:09 -0700 (PDT) References: <51E82950.4000604@comcast.net> <1374172538.99718.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <51E839FC.7080107@comcast.net> <1374178953.33450.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:25:09 -0400 From: Brad Kahler Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If one of you is looking to buy a 2000 Roadster contact me off list as we have one for sale. Brad On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > do you mean vague and uncertain steering? > yes. > and the need to double de > clutch when changing gear...oh yes..ill take all of that and more besides. > > not really suicide...I think im turning American with that colonialism. > laugh. > as I recall dad's 1932 ford Y type had doors of same opening type. and we 4 > kids, mom and grandma never did badly by them. > > > > > To: Frank Fisher ; "triumphs@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: > [TR] Triumph Roadster > > > > Ah, yes, automobile as sculpture, an Art Deco > artistic statement a la the 1937/38 Talbot Lago teardrop coupe but for less > money, far less money. By "classic feeling when driven" do you mean vague > and > uncertain steering? I have to confess that the rumble seat is rather > endearing. As to "suicide doors" I've always found that term a bit > extreme. My > dad's 1948 Studebaker sedan had that type of rear door and my brother (as > did > his 1953 MG TD) and I are still here. > > JTN > > > Frank Fisher wrote: > > Why would > anyone want one? > > > >1) super sexy lines > >2) suicide doors > >3) all > aluminum body over ash > >4) mother in law rear seat > >5) classic feeling when > driven > >6) rarity > > > > > > > >If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? > > > >if this lottery ticket in my pocket is good..ill negotiate or seek out > same or better. > >but on my current poor salary, all I can do is lust > > > > > >Frank > > > > > > > >From: John T Nichols mailto:jtnichols@comcast.net > >To: > triumphs@autox.team.net > >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:43 AM > >Subject: > [TR] Triumph Roadster > > > > > > > http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/2000/1585804.html?re > fer=news > > > >A 1949 Triumph Roadster, supposedly all original, for only > $83,000 > >($8459.81 in 1949 dollars.)! A. Why would anyone want one? > OK, I get it > >you're a hardcore Triumph guy and you need to fill out > your collection. > >B. If you wanted one, why would you pay $83,000? > > > >There > was a TV movie recently about WW2 spies circa 1942 > that had a > >Triumph Roadster in several of the shots. Looked period > but > wasn't. > > > >John T. Nichols > >1958 TR3A TS32093LO > >1986 TVR 280i > > > >** > triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 14:33:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE51A4052A for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C063140075 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=P0HhkcHTN68A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=LK3abArnAAAA:8 a=_0wvBfJJCsb-ZjkFpHIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:35479] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E2/38-15971-FF058E15; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 20:33:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 20:33:03 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > > Because $83,000 isn't a lot of money to you B > you cant be talking to me Randall !!!! Sorry, meant "you" in the abstract, not anyone in particular. I'll never be a member of that august group either, but I can see what it would be like. Besides which, if I did have that kind of money to indulge my hobbies, I'd be looking at one of these instead: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C366637 Probably more than $83k, by the time it got shipped to my place. Randall B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 15:20:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5B403F2 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8659B403C7 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so2938713veb.11 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vJOIign5QESYpzaJh0mnd9pT7krgs2AGIcWLLvdpBEQ=; b=LmaboUhX4jHfGyvSlZWGrCRD1rWJtiO0K61Lk16C8Hzsrl1B1AA+OKls1xRG0Elimy ZEPzg8kys2f3Zk6RX/y52QIu0+mKzt5wSXx+DgMe9G9W7AjVKeR55YbWiWV2+THUsDr8 Zl8FmqBtlf5vgjRA3cVkuyO5AbWVDO8GiYbGXemCSiw6CGLY3yW/6VSvblLw0Oxhhfgz DymrBou93GCz2/cJT988vbVVGXHsF1Mm/9YsF+yC9UrW/LgYXmVbZgglsQQ4A5dLe9Yh P1/xxawPvQOyCobSHS7n9Xe0pMlS3m09RHJm8OuCD73c1ddW60r/z1SEhSdnuca+CuS8 FHKQ== cf6mr3363810vcb.36.1374182369302; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <51E82950.4000604@comcast.net> <20130718194856.NGDYJ.37528.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:19:29 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Randall wrote: > If the description is accurate, it might even be worth that much. True > collectors place a premium on "original" as opposed to "restored". And as > with any "collector" object, it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay > for it. And that's a big 'if'. To some sellers 'all original' means that is has been correctly restored. That car looks very fine for an original 65 year-old car -- if it really is all original that is amazing. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 15:21:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1980E4277D for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC1840042 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 21:21:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.251] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 21:21:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 21:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 8266 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2013 21:21:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374182463; bh=JAxSL+cAahLrpurLM+Y1U0v30VnEZwGQRk1diBaN9QA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=boBljY7BTCZVlWprYUPyUKXvPtCzXns/88XolBR/BjSCz/YYpnTFb9jISuo6valLzxxpf6hbOWIVS5Q5P0f8V42Lbg4SdmeGT4Vr7mIpMj1iq1OhNxcVc9cXqSVBsxb7yjW+OjTXR+9ZdPc7/7Z4cwjrTL4lBLWTH/sB5yZTI+Q= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g+PWa60FtQa3NY/198zkJRRwvRPHo96MLMcmEulkn7Q73byy6DkaRgT3QxZVhIG2AMrDID+A4yBOugL6Qo4RsUBH6Z7puicIWriVBjpksc9thIaSawaxfrPfUfUD5pfbB9fIm/Nx2nAbL7aB12Ur5ee/4IcMauAhkuqVDg10z60=; _SNda_7zGQXZYIR8_6rWDirmOZAgBWpqbLc1WvEq7nPlwK04_Ua15ypUcoGu BdBS63BD3MrLA2sJGX1lzjYIVpye_2915WpT9q5WRGNeKdJQuq8WUek9zGub LqUx3XzlUOGXAWHU5x8qDxBUInEFT2g7A51ovo.Cj48knGH2.SwXWpyawMcG EfA_kP2YAc69f0FAD1MWsL6gs3Nu2FcfGIBPmp2m9ZojMvsW0Yzp5NstwBH2 3eEdPXu69uHTtqqhdxdhBPdopXMbH.pdAH.Hx.4lJ9ilPhD6elqlmBFVs08X slqs_qOR3BaDTT2wMO6YDXl_viN1DJLhsWEDAkFcRH2anSs3WofmseC58.wE B1a7L0as4dbI.iOp1pBsSw3.jzn5wyNTGzLBmufAm78GU7ZLwQQu7y8Zdwoa l44wdsZ0v38Erciy4wV.zBnMo091or2jrcRq8FXJP83drRFsgWSH6MsNfUy3 EkPybJ_XRji3NHPMwyoaj4.3Ij0e9SvfgitAQSz1BTLasMvJOq1M6wEdz1_t kSSI0lvO14cS9hRg4y3tbjtoQsJfDdMpfyhvChpQ3dqv5CnVuN0eE_Mjaez0 iaIZsCMnIVtBw7dpMRd6Rb0UL2XLNqoycSaUL.YQrrQDLduZQ1yjqzsGjJK1 Og.38PWtxFg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:21:03 PDT d291bGQgeW91IGdpdmUgYSBwb29yIHBlYXNhbnQgbGlrZSBtZSBhIHJpZGU_CsKgCjotKQrCoArCoAogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmFuZGFsbCA8dHIzZHJpdmVyQGNhLnJyLmNvbT4KVG86ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIEp1bHkgMTgsIDIwMTMgMTozMyBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RSXSBUcml1bXBoIFJvYWRzdGVyCiAgCgotLS0tIEZyYW5rIEZpc2hlciA8eWVsbG8BMAEBAQE- References: <1374177732.7724.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130718203304.ZT7V4.37706.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net would you give a poor peasant like me a ride? :-) ________________________________ From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > > Because $83,000 isn't a lot of money to you B > you cant be talking to me Randall !!!! Sorry, meant "you" in the abstract, not anyone in particular. I'll never be a member of that august group either, but I can see what it would be like. Besides which, if I did have that kind of money to indulge my hobbies, I'd be looking at one of these instead: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C366637 Probably more than $83k, by the time it got shipped to my place. Randall B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 21:35:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA5A40518 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340A7403C6 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 23Hw1m0081ap0As5B3bKQ9; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:35:19 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([98.218.152.215]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 23bJ1m00F4f5vDe3i3bKL5; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:35:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:35:14 -0400 From: John T Nichols User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: Randall , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <20130718203304.ZT7V4.37706.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> s=q20121106; t=1374204919; bh=xVWfYRsiMpQbMKfg0odtd+5G8uAgY+uQdLEDeADVRhM=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=JCcZe4E2xpjCbfxUiW4xLKz2wiUTFktpi+H9q1+eR7yUE8eKIbawzJOZYFy+R5azo 2WCJwBYZEur5TFHYUaEDHxVo8DVJgvl4TCR8SU1598LTAbL2tFz1xp9sJvx61UJPPj Nftkd0iXTfk7jxSloMD2v9WhdglmfRZmfGyCgyMqpwqLByye44gv1+pXj/IpWBtQqv 1DE5iGvGFJ81i7+aSrEfudMu9SYn8kl/juQS3YAk2PDTernWKtv6cO6lxvLoks2v2o 7DVPtvkE74GQytjo3ASMOzGjZeElSTAwGOiSnR2TXj3CTJaDfSsHgOhtDmHW6YYauM oSIwoMGLjkP2w== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Triumph Gloria and the Alvis Speed 20 were two of the nicest looking sports cars of the classic 1930s period. But there were too few of them made. JTN Randall wrote: > ---- Frank Fisher wrote: >>> Because $83,000 isn't a lot of money to you > B >> you cant be talking to me Randall !!!! > Sorry, meant "you" in the abstract, not anyone in particular. I'll never be a > member of that august group either, but I can see what it would be like. > > Besides which, if I did have that kind of money to indulge my hobbies, I'd be > looking at one of these instead: > http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C366637 > > Probably more than $83k, by the time it got shipped to my place. > > Randall > B > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jtnichols@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 07:11:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2433942761 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.blastcomm.com (mail1.blastcomm.com [66.151.17.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FE54040B for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PhiSchLSpare101 ([70.42.90.253]) by mail1.blastcomm.com (IceWarp 9.3.2) with ESMTP id EUY65043; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:05:43 -0500 From: "Michael Marr" To: "'Randall'" , References: <1374177732.7724.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130718203304.ZT7V4.37706.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:05:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6D9gk1bQeyR4uWRNexB1jscwywlwAibZFg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Roadster Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Excellent taste, Randall, and I think that it is priced right. As for the Triumph Roadster, my friend Nobby had one in 1971 or thereabouts and I can tell you it was a fun car and a "chick magnet", as modern parlance would have it. I have always wanted one, for the very reasons that Frank Fisher stated in an earlier e-mail. Nobby owned a TR3A before the Roadster and I did a lot of mechanical work on the 3A, which was my introduction to the joys of TRs and the start of a love affair with them that has never ended. On the other hand, that Gloria... Mike > > Besides which, if I did have that kind of money to indulge my hobbies, > I'd be looking at one of these instead: > http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C366637 > > Probably more than $83k, by the time it got shipped to my place. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 15:06:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7347B42721 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1765406A7 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail216-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.249) by CO9EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.236.130.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:02:52 +0000 Received: from mail216-co9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail216-co9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7031F1C02AB for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:02:52 +0000 (UTC) H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail216-co9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail216-co9 (MessageSwitch) id 1374267770225832_21758; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO9EHSMHS028.bigfish.com (unknown [10.236.132.248]) by mail216-co9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330A426004C for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by CO9EHSMHS028.bigfish.com (10.236.130.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:02:49 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 2952C68003 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:02:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A0637A2530D; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:02:49 +0100 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub1.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.14]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2237A68003 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:02:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub1.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.14]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:02:48 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:02:48 +0100 Thread-Topic: TR2 for sale! Thread-Index: AQHOhMNT7FOL/4bTTEK8OJhCwZxNSQ== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-IE acceptlanguage: en-US VDF=10.130.61) Subject: [TR] TR2 for sale! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is with a heavy heart I inform the list I am now in a situation where I am fairly sure I need to sell my beloved and just completed 1954 long door TR2. 16 years of restoration, blood sweat, tears, moments of joy, frustration, and many thousands of euros. I know this is of little practical use to most listers as I am all the way over here in Ireland, mind you we are the next parish after New York (heading east)! I will not burden you with sad stories and details, suffice it to say even before completion the prospect was looming. With a bit of luck I will be in a position to 'trade down' Triumph of course, so I do hope to be around to pester you all in the future. Regards John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 15:44:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824EB42765 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:44:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8F140535 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm30.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2013 21:43:50 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.64] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2013 21:43:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp226.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2013 21:43:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374270230; bh=kM+ztzsgcmCCnBxK1EeOhx4nEqRsl4OSU6nE7tEOWZI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=NqM8ajZK3f8o/uh14Vzpbo2mk7o6FRDiYEjEaEYbvpmaHnfJCkxCVqsmfZujbc5Dn50HslnTQR6aYPcpMNBv6h9Fbjw7obrzKi3sKau+IaLMXya2wEMtsonn1201caiQGSP+l+PuYf8hkU4Sn/6UDENk9IQP/zV3wlHTg68q4Rc= 8PVu53cc2O7vNul_AHvLl6usZKmHPAkWze.cgzICyLbsiuc5cNKdvnyWoULM oyO8kBhCa_n7G58UaQmcbIPFLhjdbNpJ3aR4m4elVKOC3wjwdm7vDQSNNNQo r_r0vfo7PLOVfsjmMG52RN6iRchLNhUqNoTP27EKhB2T__Wg_MSeWReHQOXP U0BmlReYXBxsHddRo8FNyLfiv8ALAYmvzc6JmLQtYGSBHz5OE8sdusUu3uX0 scnodwkNMkvFBD0bk59tVW6wxb3DEa7P38iGwbUJJBz2qC6AtJpCvMNu_dyj l.KcaIiC.gW.YoNmCaLCA26Qe16HFPtZCYT3VYTTIH.H7xGYN98kkDRG51uc 3JBzRfb_7oi35743IeJXGF8CPtDw4K6Ox3IMSWYwwi966ct9gwBZE.OLn4mh x7b_2WaydURUPf1h8NUb7vWml0FJ_PHWXkrKBwsfbEJ5qFSZzQd9N4K_kTKE 8gA8SFafKI_RBMzfLe7WqCaz96Mz3s8FBM5kqMiLB4a9jkHskMTLgCKdK7GN WBygQK5a2PYN0oKqhMZzVbN6Ion_wcwDfVnKCljDC_wjXuxGpEYw- smtp226.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2013 21:43:50 +0000 UTC References: From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:43:48 -0500 To: John Gillis , "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 for sale! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, So sorry to read this email. I presume you are putting together some pictures and comments about the car. I am sure we will all do what we can to help you find a good new owner. All the best, Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:02 PM, John Gillis wrote: > It is with a heavy heart I inform the list I am now in a situation where I am > fairly sure I need to sell my beloved and just completed 1954 long door TR2. > 16 years of restoration, blood sweat, tears, moments of joy, frustration, and > many thousands of euros. I know this is of little practical use to most > listers as I am all the way over here in Ireland, mind you we are the next > parish after New York (heading east)! I will not burden you with sad stories > and details, suffice it to say even before completion the prospect was > looming. > With a bit of luck I will be in a position to 'trade down' Triumph of course, > so I do hope to be around to pester you all in the future. > Regards > John > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 20 16:03:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD3240454 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E8040401 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:03:14 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=kEGNM12h8tnjTfSkUzQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XJfPR84pBAoA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=r8IIBi4xMCL5jWzlrOMA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:59415] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4B/09-15971-0290BE15; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 22:03:12 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:03:06 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6FlOm5Nm/N1I5pStuBqxeSVa6TOA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Crap ,,, Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Opened the radiator cap and found creamy brown oily sludge. I know what that means. The oil in the sump and valves looks clear. Pulled the head and found this. You're looking at the top of a TR4A engine block behind cylinder #4. Crap. http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/PDONNEL1/library/?sort=3 &page=1 Looks like it was welded up before but I don't remember having it done, and I've owned the car since 1970. Do you think this is salvageable? Johnnie '67 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 20 17:11:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2AC40454 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40788403F5 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n10so7659899oag.0 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:09:30 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KV+DWvovtsC+iQEd8IjsMlC5Ds+qxn9PRdCMkYazrIQ=; b=GC9ghQEcs2lPJ1JHShwcq7AbewNULcO8+noZxSMZE5oLuJ14nKakU8EbSq3wE5scL7 z2+z4lX6LGd786AqVyT7OLjZBNEeUXsQ9ZTkW2Wd8CFz5LrRoYJnJx4+jdSMXKtqtiGN WXGiI7kV2ZwIahTn7eUlayP4h+cWwS2MWWqwoLeAM4o/eSSiKsSMCQDE0niP1RKL4izC yFhCMcuHt2fFpJhTXfD3HN/6Quk28KAH/SW7OYMw2Au7ZdUCxYAXZtv48/FynoK5I+e0 /6cCSWoQ2b0AsvXTL4K7FG+tc80A/+oTJEb9XnogIgJTz2GMwN9K8zQagyJm7xWzsStL SJAg== y6mr16472904obm.79.1374361770021; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tv3sm27827956obb.8.2013.07.20.16.09.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:09:26 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <000001ce8594$ea4e0a00$beea1e00$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Crap ,,, Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like it was welded up before but I don't remember having it done, and I've owned the car since 1970. Do you think this is salvageable? If it were me I would go hunting for another block. Going through a threaded bolt hole I wouldn't risk it. I guess crap is the right sentiment Sorry TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 20 17:15:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4818240E30 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy3-pub.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B0606403F5 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5624 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2013 23:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy2.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.71) by gproxy3.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 23:15:40 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.84); Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:15:40 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=56602 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V0gNI-0000D1-ER; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:15:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:15:43 -0500 To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , From: Tony Drews References: <000001ce8594$ea4e0a00$beea1e00$@rr.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Crap ,,, Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For oil to go to the water and not the water to the oil, it would have to be the oil line to the rocker shaft (hole next to stud hole) that's leaking into the water gallery. The crack doesn't look to extend to that hole, so it's possible that the clamping force on that section of the head gasket wasn't quite enough to keep those separated. There's a chance that trying Randall's glue / solder thin copper wire onto the head gasket might work if you put it around the oil feed hole. I'd give it 50% or so of working if you can get full torque on that stud, but it only costs you a head gasket and some man hours to try - versus pulling the engine and replacing the block. If it were me, I'd give it a shot. If I had the engine out of the car and had access to a better block I'd go that route instead. Cheers, Tony D At 05:03 PM 7/20/2013, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: >Opened the radiator cap and found creamy brown oily sludge. I know what that >means. > > > >The oil in the sump and valves looks clear. Pulled the head and found this. >You're looking at the top of a TR4A engine block behind cylinder #4. Crap. > > > >http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/PDONNEL1/library/?sort=3 > &page=1 > > > >Looks like it was welded up before but I don't remember having it done, and >I've owned the car since 1970. Do you think this is salvageable? > > > >Johnnie > >'67 TR4A > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 06:11:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E6442726 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 06:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5532640531 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 06:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (64-252-187-166.adsl.snet.net [64.252.187.166]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8mO4-1Ur03f2Tme-00CEcO; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:11:05 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:11:09 -0400 CU+DHLeT0GXdDQUxCoD91ZpWjtMZbKV1MAlDiu7DXkoI273mRG cl8FXUHmf9qlVmsZCoQYRNlyLeJOqYpAlW4YaKGy3hj402zsGE SsnJfQmbCIqvUPcTqW00HjreN2sU6eexkrYI5/KtiBFud05Im+ VpSbc2TUgr46GG/rwjy8aIDH2sd630EYBV0NnRO1jENgSk9Jbc sSiOVEmGH85Z18KLa13LROuTjidCKoIMNTFnXNgjrgbmmdnOl8 3zkSdfioLzVuH26xqBMDRsNM2VQpUiCGG7wmmCcH7ZzVSrZzr/ KtoOppM9qpXWtyOrTnD4xLa7xCGVNEkvS7l9ljrkw Subject: [TR] Triumph historical archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For folks on Facebook, there's a whole section on Triumph historical ads, articles, pictures etc... some pretty cool stuff. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Triumph-Motorcar-historical-archive/3180334249 73420 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 08:21:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7429B40C01 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1146440C01 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf11so4114377vcb.40 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hXFK/ZpY9EgvZCdPtFgRZlKB/Z8h2tObjzjWKrHsvgk=; b=LCaiUVgxoPI1tnAHT8QL/mrai0IyfmfjdKiHV/nc7IDcO3ajQ4LN2LPCgYxKXZEP4L P9D/hrS9Nw63gyaUwfZKL/cal9FL5d1SmVcGCotN0C0yLCJLp9LgW8Hcg5pOfrfhdYpI VoYfnKCG43biPJ6B3MplaPcjg5JUCm//Dhl9daVSP44tDTYwHf3j21e3VBy2NOzfsSnA ZlCNRJHJc55InPOPUWD+eRmxyQGpfKVDE0PbXfm9sDhfmqROnROe3k5xkEFCZXe6zyeu /Hn1ddikAAEdQD9uQD4MQ+g09Fy4ysAs14VVt0w7Ss1p3JbDLGA2DZb6LS4C0jxg8QiL Y9jQ== vb9mr4729309vec.2.1374416478492; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:21:18 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph historical archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A short link: http://tinyurl.com/ls7v9qm I always enjoy this stuff. Geo On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > For folks on Facebook, there's a whole section on Triumph historical ads, > articles, pictures etc... some pretty cool stuff. > > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Triumph-Motorcar-historical-archive/3180334249 > 73420 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 08:36:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEDD42726 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20F840E1A for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (64-252-187-166.adsl.snet.net [64.252.187.166]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LZzCX-1UHNhL2Q1N-00mDjr; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:35:45 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Geo Hahn" References: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:35:48 -0400 iScr97YUxsK/bCj1kmc29/MfxRX8QED2WI4brd/ZnM+vdkJFQu nitjHLE6ASTZ92woU1ZPpWXlTrOzGzebnngVqdLRfP1CHyUhp0 Qdpv0ukJlVKFLQD6i/O+nwoK4tD8f+sMJkh31E7hEguhSdW83L yNKl9NfxpTY/UMYsGtfd9VNYeGt1wswMFXmwWv0Muh2FQkEQmM 4vRe9L4E0+W8Gfr6imT/FOdxagHu9IMzIBFmPm0kdCpj25N6sd 00kutORAECey/baRBJwRIGW//YLSOr0s4be03O/+IhKCt6AqDW 9CvHz94+bg/89RjMLSQiZFmgSRty9YY6hPBHhUyyd Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph historical archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Geo........ it wrapped my link on to another line. I should have done the TinyURL. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:21 AM To: Bob Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph historical archives A short link: http://tinyurl.com/ls7v9qm I always enjoy this stuff. Geo On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Bob <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: For folks on Facebook, there's a whole section on Triumph historical ads, articles, pictures etc... some pretty cool stuff. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Triumph-Motorcar-historical-archive/31803342 49 73420 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 14:28:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F520426C3 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF484051F for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:27:50 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=F8q8LAOoxm0A:10 a=H5t0E_kkEzluf_c_27cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KoRzdP7B6G0A:10 a=8ZJejKkqlt0A:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Hnrwdu6IVq2pcsqVxVwA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:57036] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D9/04-07055-5444CE15; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 20:27:49 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:27:43 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6GUMEfFyY7g0O+Qxq5bZgAHRvlHg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Head Gasket install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Which way does the common sandwich style head gasket get installed, with the folds to the cylinder, or the head? Does it matter? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 15:19:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB1F425C4 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from roproxy1-pub.unifiedlayer.com (roproxy1-pub.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B65504051F for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14771 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2013 21:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy2.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.71) by roproxy1.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 21:18:43 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.84); Sun, 21 Jul 2013 21:18:43 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=63792 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V111e-0007Ae-NZ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:18:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:18:40 -0500 To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , From: Tony Drews References: <000001ce8650$c1bfa0f0$453ee2d0$@rr.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the head has been milled any, folds toward the cylinder liner. Less apt to burn through / leak. If unaltered (stock), I don't think it matters much. Tony Drews At 03:27 PM 7/21/2013, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: >Which way does the common sandwich style head gasket get installed, with the >folds to the cylinder, or the head? Does it matter? > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 16:29:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB0B42708 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883154051F for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id hi8so1981492lab.33 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:29:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=glE+5m3/9RFgmxSPWInI+jNWGiCEJbNNzf0IdSA0Wuw=; b=CxmrHv24ITDC8V/W9VWbjTh8/uuw5bPUqxXqSlrnhl62iYPiyMBAJYG1/iuzrpe74M oWL/oqSuvSKsN3eXAYAsw9c5sONkikL63swtXAOplSc98POiIRr5fmjk48L84RmD9V+o C/kRimnBhkuVFBqaXUE87lOAaWEDFOyhCf5bvBQBhsDZ7oJmrk6cbcwFNYa+S+XLM/9k QPukQ+x1TvqZcJxemeZHVvhhSHQRkivVUkvFJbhwYNYShROsb6re/ti90233WKkpfC/0 kRpiSpnn+o+0ZQKS9Pv1zjOhpCEYaKLik6aonPcpmHo6qsSnXUBWVX7L9iNzpBgbw+kc 56KQ== k8mr11651901lae.25.1374445767467; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.62.143 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:29:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <000001ce8650$c1bfa0f0$453ee2d0$@rr.com> <20130721211925.DF97A4051F@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 18:29:27 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Me too. I figure the extra copper allows for mismatch in cylinder sleeve heights. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 19:54:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46C2403FB for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA53403E8 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-8053.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.79.118] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1V1RnZ-0001bo-1y for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:53:57 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:53:56 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I took the 57 TR3 out of storage this season, I found a spring on the floor in the drivers compartment. I have no idea where it came from - any ideas? It can be seen at: http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=1881 There are about 5 coils, the length is about 1.875 in. in length and just under 1 in. in diameter. Question #2, the latch on the bonnet broke off. Any thoughts on removal from the bracket and suggestions for reattachment. As always, thanks in advance for your help. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 03:26:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0796403F7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:26:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20064035A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781eb2.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.30.178]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MQD00EQBU7ME250@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 05:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 05:28:22 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like the spring that goes around the plunger next to the bonnet latch on my TR3. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 7/22/2013 9:53 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > When I took the 57 TR3 out of storage this season, I found a spring on the > floor in the drivers compartment. I have no idea where it came from - any > ideas? > > It can be seen at: > http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=1881 > > There are about 5 coils, the length is about 1.875 in. in length and just > under 1 in. in diameter. > > Question #2, the latch on the bonnet broke off. Any thoughts on removal from > the bracket and suggestions for reattachment. > > As always, thanks in advance for your help. > > Keith Stewart > keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 05:29:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710F740401 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 05:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout03.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout03.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8557940400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 05:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.7] helo=mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V1am5-00030c-TH for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:29:01 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V1am5-0003L9-8e; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:29:01 -0400 Received: from webmail18.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.18]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 3nV11m00W0PNxRW01nV1c7; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:29:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=iETyPQZu7b8A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=54_YA1U5j34A:10 a=nNGcuEDRLTGjVuX3dpQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=f1S9IFK8SLcA:10 a=oqYkzrER1tkA:10 a=FuGqkY0ic8ce4y3Fqenq5w==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V1alz-0001iy-TG; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:28:55 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:28:55 -0400 References: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:28:55 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Keith Stewart" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is your headlight dimmer switch still intact? Greg G. Osseo, MN > When I took the 57 TR3 out of storage this season, I found a spring on the > floor in the drivers compartment. I have no idea where it came from - any > ideas? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 06:43:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15AD40547 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56967403C8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-8053.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.79.118] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1V1bvu-0007rD-SF for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:43:15 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:43:15 -0400 References: <46fc8aaab8c64037fbf4ea4b3fabd527.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> <7608A81BD27B4F3E9F56DC4AC70C9392@home45dd83c8be> To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tony, Greg, Tom and Dave. I only moved the car a short distance in the storage facility. I will take a look at that switch the next time I go to the storage building. You guys are the BEST. On 2013-07-23, at 8:23 AM, "davewillner" wrote: > I agree with Greg, it looks like the spring from your dip switch that may have come apart. Sometimes the rivet or weld comes apart and the "casing" pops off along with the spring. Happened to me last year... > Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 08:14:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB39340400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E743403A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id ef5so10353359obb.15 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=aoU8bAZXmufO7DFe2FHdtUzeaMr8Xgym0Lxc1ncbBrE=; b=KsHhf3mbPRTQIyLAFJdoYmXDi3Z9dXDeNlKKz6K/k/iAPUszyrK8R7BXKTkLQWc6QJ I0BO7UybZK+xp938d/D4BGhLZoiT7NXeZF6IVogImhHuDWP8OItCsjRH0AnRxtPePL15 J0Ql5XPRGpw1ojprcKjHTD3CxmDEKNs5cBNnLek9Mlo6EG8K4gYwks9mxy1mkqmgDthd A6jCHGyd6m+shI99iaFp8zKUYvKFVMYPrMqfjrr+WARb0sFZZ+9lZWpH4xTIYx1RcVy7 qIgpzNmkHcpmFC/wI3+dLVCEv6E2y6Of9HMJqiVZlezt9DKpMEaq1E4V+EBoaB1nDGa7 5JBw== v9mr24921456obz.90.1374588811779; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (c-98-223-25-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net. [98.223.25.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm40353639obi.3.2013.07.23.07.13.29 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Will Daehler" To: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:13:27 -0400 thread-index: Ac6HrOVopbyWfYqZRFqpnEgs5k0Mog== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Maybe an Armstrong Shock problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The right rear of my TR4 is sagging to the right. If I push on the back of the car, only the left side seems to have a nice rebound bounce. The leaf springs and Armstrong shock play nicely together. However, the right hand side seems completely lifeless, and seems to be sitting noticeably lower, firmly metal on metal. Here is my trouble shooting efforts so far. I jacked up the car, and held the right rear of the car up by the frame. Took the wheel off, and could see all parts are present. During this time the axle and suspension hung freely down. I put the wheel back on, and lowered the car. For about ten minutes my car was fine, and the rear bumper was level, and the right hand side had a nice rebound bounce. My euphoria dissipated as the car quickly returned to its sagging state. What do you think is wrong? Is it a bad Armstrong shock and can this be fixed? Will Daehler 63 TR4 HVDA Powder Blue ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 08:37:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14B94043D for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3323403A6 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-W23 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:35:43 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Will Daehler , Triumph List Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:35:42 -0500 References: <002701ce87ae$ce8efe20$6bacfa60$@gmail.com> FILETIME=[E93244F0:01CE87B1] Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Maybe an Armstrong Shock problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Will- Others I'm sure will chime in, but I don't think it is a problem with the shock. Sounds more like you may have a broken leaf spring potentially, or perhaps it is simply binding and needs some lubrication. The shock itself does not hold the car level in the back, it just dampens bounces - the leaf spring does the real work. Randy > If I push on the back of the car, only the left side seems to have a nice > rebound bounce. The leaf springs and Armstrong shock play nicely together. > However, the right hand side seems completely lifeless, and seems to be > sitting noticeably lower, firmly metal on metal. > > > > Here is my trouble shooting efforts so far. I jacked up the car, and held > the right rear of the car up by the frame. Took the wheel off, and could > see all parts are present. During this time the axle and suspension hung > freely down. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 08:56:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14C44043D for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B74E403A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2013 14:56:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.101]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33F023B35; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.101]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3QSuXdkfwyA8; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from EasyEd (74-46-214-123.dsl1.chtw.wv.frontiernet.net [74.46.214.123]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6ABA923B4A; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:56:18 +0000 (UTC) From: "Ed Oot" To: "'Randall'" , References: <001b01ce7fe4$5be490a0$13adb1e0$@citlink.net> <05.44.05415.5E881E15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:56:18 -0400 thread-index: AQGaQUMcREGIh9Z6V0mfiAQSfFux7Jna5Z4A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Compression check: what does this mean? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall and Jonmac. What would be the next hotter plug to either the Champion L87YC or NGK BP6HS? Thought I would give that a try and see how comfortable I am driving the car that way. Took it out over the weekend and ran it up pretty good then checked the plugs. 3 was a bit damp and 4, if anything, was a bit on the lean side. Thanks Ed -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:06 PM To: 'Ed Oot'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Compression check: what does this mean? Well, for sure you have something wrong on #3. With those results, it's hard to say for certain just what; but the problem should become apparent when you get the head off. If there isn't anything obviously wrong with the head (like oil caked on the back on the intake valve for #3, showing that the oil was going past the valve stem) or obviously wrong with the #3 cylinder wall; then pull the #3 piston out and see what you find. My guess is either broken ring, or scored cylinder wall. However, 120 psi of compression should still let the engine run reasonably well. My guess is that the poor performance is mostly from the fouled plug. So if you want to wait until after the driving season, just change the plug (maybe to one step hotter to help avoid fouling again) and go on. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 11:10:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60941403DE for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb02.cogeco.net (wmsmtp2.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C105D403C8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:07:58 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208";a="22450058" Received: from unknown (HELO cgocable.ca) ([192.168.200.207]) by wmipb02.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2013 13:07:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.201.168] (Forwarded-For: 206.177.43.71) by busywm01.int.cogeco.net (mshttpd); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:07:57 -0400 From: "Art McEwen" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:07:57 -0400 Content-Language: en Priority: normal References: <76509bb01257e.51eeb666@cgocable.ca> <73c0cb4d1796c.51eeb757@cgocable.ca> <74c0be2f1319d.51eeb799@cgocable.ca> <7530ee3d17426.51eeb7d8@cgocable.ca> <7590de6f106fa.51eeb815@cgocable.ca> <76f0877516bd9.51eeb852@cgocable.ca> Subject: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My O/D engaged once on the weekend but refused to do so for the rest of the drive. It's normally fairly snappy but there's always been the odd time when there's a couple of seconds delay before it engages, but baring Lucas issues it always does. When I crawled under afterwards I confirmed the solenoid is engaging but it takes a tiny bit of manual pressure on the off-side external arm to get the O/D to actually kick in, that push seems to be more than the solenoid is capable of even though it seems to draw the arm up far enough. Out of desperation I changed the oil (10w30) but no joy. Im hesitant to adjust the screw on the solenoid plunger since the range of motion seems correct, is there anything else somebody can suggest? Art TS64somethingLO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:05:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4921340527 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb01.cogeco.net (wmsmtp.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240D840408 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:00:56 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208";a="26201673" Received: from unknown (HELO cgocable.ca) ([192.168.200.206]) by wmipb01.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2013 14:00:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.201.168] (Forwarded-For: 206.177.43.71) by busywm01.int.cogeco.net (mshttpd); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:00:52 -0400 From: "Art McEwen" To: John Macartney Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:00:52 -0400 Content-Language: en Priority: normal References: <76509bb01257e.51eeb666@cgocable.ca> <73c0cb4d1796c.51eeb757@cgocable.ca> <74c0be2f1319d.51eeb799@cgocable.ca> <7530ee3d17426.51eeb7d8@cgocable.ca> <7590de6f106fa.51eeb815@cgocable.ca> <76f0877516bd9.51eeb852@cgocable.ca> <7530982c16c82.51ee802d@cgocable.ca> <1374601728.43418.YahooMailNeo@web171906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <7590d918170a9.51eec322@cgocable.ca> <7690e35f1743a.51eec35f@cgocable.ca> <75208b02119cb.51eec39d@cgocable.ca> <7590c8b911364.51eec3db@cgocable.ca> <7440e53b123f4.51eec41b@cgocable.ca> <76a0d6b614467.51eec458@cgocable.ca> <779095e413f99.51eec4d2@cgocable.ca> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John I'll have a look at that site. The rear seal leaks a bit so it's not uncommon for me to be down a bit but I'd just topped it up the day before and checked the level before changing the oil and it was still full. Oddly enough the O/D always engaged even when oil level was low. I've run hypoid gear oil in the past but I've read other posts (and the original manual) that quote 30 engine oil. I couldn't tell the difference in operation and I could be convinced either way at this point. Cleaned the filter and the magnetic drain plug. There were some metal filings in both, but since they came from the gears they don't qualify as "foreign matter" do they? ;) On 07/23/13, John Macartney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Art > > The Buckeye Triumphs website has lots of helpful pointers on reluctant overdrives. What you describe doesn't sound serious and in my experience might be one of four things: > > 1. Low gearbox oil level / wrong oil grade. Should be 80W/90 > 2. Foreign matter in the O/D unit itself. Have you undone the large brass plug underneath it, pulled out the gauze screen and cleaned it? > 3. A drop in overdrive operating pressure > 4. The solenoid is now beginning to get a bit 'tired' and won't kick in and out as it used to. > > I'd have a good look at points 1 - 3 > > > Jonmac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Art McEwen > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 18:07 > > Subject: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D > > > > > > My O/D engaged once on the weekend but refused to do so for the rest of the > > drive. It's normally fairly snappy but there's always been the odd time when > > there's a couple of seconds delay before it engages, but baring Lucas issues > > it always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I crawled under afterwards I confirmed the solenoid is engaging but it > > takes a tiny bit of manual pressure on the off-side external arm to get the > > O/D to actually kick in, that push seems to be more than the solenoid is > > capable of even though it seems to draw the arm up far enough. Out of > > desperation I changed the oil (10w30) but no joy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Im hesitant to adjust the screw on the solenoid plunger since the range of > > motion seems correct, is there anything else somebody can suggest? > > > > > > Art > > TS64somethingLO > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:06:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF0540523 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb01.cogeco.net (wmsmtp.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451ED40527 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:02:31 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208";a="26201684" Received: from unknown (HELO cgocable.ca) ([192.168.200.206]) by wmipb01.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2013 14:02:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.201.168] (Forwarded-For: 206.177.43.71) by busywm01.int.cogeco.net (mshttpd); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:02:29 -0400 From: "Art McEwen" To: Thomas Geoghan Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:02:29 -0400 Content-Language: en Priority: normal References: <76509bb01257e.51eeb666@cgocable.ca> <73c0cb4d1796c.51eeb757@cgocable.ca> <74c0be2f1319d.51eeb799@cgocable.ca> <7530ee3d17426.51eeb7d8@cgocable.ca> <7590de6f106fa.51eeb815@cgocable.ca> <76f0877516bd9.51eeb852@cgocable.ca> <7530982c16c82.51ee802d@cgocable.ca> <1374601860.20217.YahooMailNeo@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <76f094d311e89.51eec51e@cgocable.ca> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tom, Why would that be the issue? The relay is functioning as if it weren't the selonoid woudln't be engaging at all. On 07/23/13, Thomas Geoghan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Change OD Relay. > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Art McEwen > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:07 PM > > Subject: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D > > > > > > My O/D engaged once on the weekend but refused to do so for the rest of the > > drive. It's normally fairly snappy but there's always been the odd time when > > there's a couple of seconds delay before it engages, but baring Lucas issues > > it always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I crawled under afterwards I confirmed the solenoid is engaging but it > > takes a tiny bit of manual pressure on the off-side external arm to get the > > O/D to actually kick in, that push seems to be more than the solenoid is > > capable of even though it seems to draw the arm up far enough. Out of > > desperation I changed the oil (10w30) but no joy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Im hesitant to adjust the screw on the solenoid plunger since the range of > > motion seems correct, is there anything else somebody can suggest? > > > > > > Art > > TS64somethingLO > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net() ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html() > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive() > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums() > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wgas2-air@yahoo.com() ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:07:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920A340078 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5320640408 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3qzB1m0060FhH2401u3zVX; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:03:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3u3x1m00p4L5TyG8Uu3ykZ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:03:59 +0000 From: Bud R To: Art McEwen Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:03:57 -0600 References: <76509bb01257e.51eeb666@cgocable.ca> <73c0cb4d1796c.51eeb757@cgocable.ca> <74c0be2f1319d.51eeb799@cgocable.ca> <7530ee3d17426.51eeb7d8@cgocable.ca> <7590de6f106fa.51eeb815@cgocable.ca> <76f0877516bd9.51eeb852@cgocable.ca> <7530982c16c82.51ee802d@cgocable.ca> s=q20121106; t=1374602639; bh=fD9bUe8lNmnk9TFfgsVWKgJbCLQJYuwEu++fZ08PiJE=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=Ihrmuk/ah9uxBt8hd72yXNZe2zoIBXK94KKzLT1PgkXnlD7vX7cOvGCpnniOO+rum TBL9nevp7wQwwdGvNhMuJEgacsDHKSunLcLkUJayjqssdWcP2XwUFA7fyb/fF3GLJK ycqNBTeXRcdgcFCra+IM92pHKa7eMTo1T9i0z8H+LMO0bPUJ95RejXRXr9Nq7bG2hw 8cc/1Udms/zJVelJEmwBw+/w69IXrbKLhKcfNSxKhV48Qt5aU/sZ0wkC8080sqYAA6 nh7mhae4vtr1zOhXMIly1FeBmemZaUrBAgaaEHQ+dCnIDqa6lJubAPpz5chR4Vw6ZN wpmCMacZV/ccg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From an earlier response to a similar issue: I had the same symptoms with my overdrive and suspected the solenoid first also. When I ran a lead from the brown to the yellow/purple wire on the OD relay the solenoid clicked and pulled the actuator lever up just as it should. The relay (which amazingly enough conformed to my #1 rule of "Bud, it's the last thing you fixed that failed") was the problem. I put a new one in less than two years ago. I believe Steve Yost and Randall Young pointed out that the relay could be bad (not putting out enough amperes because of burn contacts) even though it put out the correct voltage which basically wouldn't provide enough ummffff to the solenoid to pull it up but does provide enough to hold it if got pulled up. A new OD relay fixed the problem. So maybe the contacts in your relay are slowing losing it. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Art McEwen wrote: > My O/D engaged once on the weekend but refused to do so for the rest > of the > drive. It's normally fairly snappy but there's always been the odd > time when > there's a couple of seconds delay before it engages, but baring > Lucas issues > it always does. > > > > > > When I crawled under afterwards I confirmed the solenoid is engaging > but it > takes a tiny bit of manual pressure on the off-side external arm to > get the > O/D to actually kick in, that push seems to be more than the > solenoid is > capable of even though it seems to draw the arm up far enough. Out > of > desperation I changed the oil (10w30) but no joy. > > > > > > Im hesitant to adjust the screw on the solenoid plunger since the > range of > motion seems correct, is there anything else somebody can suggest? > > > Art > TS64somethingLO > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:11:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192E840406 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from wmipb01.cogeco.net (wmsmtp.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B764E40066 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:09:35 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208";a="26201739" Received: from unknown (HELO cgocable.ca) ([192.168.200.205]) by wmipb01.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2013 14:09:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.201.168] (Forwarded-For: 206.177.43.71) by busywm01.int.cogeco.net (mshttpd); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:09:33 -0400 From: "Art McEwen" To: Bud R Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:09:33 -0400 Content-Language: en Priority: normal References: <76509bb01257e.51eeb666@cgocable.ca> <73c0cb4d1796c.51eeb757@cgocable.ca> <74c0be2f1319d.51eeb799@cgocable.ca> <7530ee3d17426.51eeb7d8@cgocable.ca> <7590de6f106fa.51eeb815@cgocable.ca> <76f0877516bd9.51eeb852@cgocable.ca> <7530982c16c82.51ee802d@cgocable.ca> <74c0a58e115ee.51eec640@cgocable.ca> <74e0f0fe1285d.51eec682@cgocable.ca> <74c0f2e61793c.51eec6c1@cgocable.ca> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >"Bud, it's the last thing you fixed that failed" Actually that's why I suspected the toping up of the oil level since I did that just the day before, I got lazy and only jacked up the left hand side of the car so I probably over filled it by 1/2". The Relay is the 2nd oldest thing as I replaced it 4-5 years ago.... Anybody know the amperage the relay should put out? Art On 07/23/13, Bud R wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From an earlier response to a similar issue: > > > I had the same symptoms with my overdrive and suspected the solenoid first also. When I ran a lead from the brown to the yellow/purple wire on the OD relay the solenoid clicked and pulled the actuator lever up just as it should. The relay (which amazingly enough conformed to my #1 rule of was the problem. I put a new one in less than two years ago. > > > I believe Steve Yost and Randall Young pointed out that the relay could be bad (not putting out enough amperes because of burn contacts) even though it put out the correct voltage which basically wouldn't provide enough ummffff to the solenoid to pull it up but does provide enough to hold it if got pulled up. A new OD relay fixed the problem. > > > > > > > > > So maybe the contacts in your relay are slowing losing it. > > > Bud Rolofson > > > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Art McEwen wrote: > > > > > > > My O/D engaged once on the weekend but refused to do so for the rest of the > > drive. It's normally fairly snappy but there's always been the odd time when > > there's a couple of seconds delay before it engages, but baring Lucas issues > > it always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I crawled under afterwards I confirmed the solenoid is engaging but it > > takes a tiny bit of manual pressure on the off-side external arm to get the > > O/D to actually kick in, that push seems to be more than the solenoid is > > capable of even though it seems to draw the arm up far enough. Out of > > desperation I changed the oil (10w30) but no joy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Im hesitant to adjust the screw on the solenoid plunger since the range of > > motion seems correct, is there anything else somebody can suggest? > > > > > > Art > > TS64somethingLO > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:20:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B54F40523 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB90040075 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=p1lf4_zN8XwA:10 a=3RJArg7tAAAA:20 a=cBKc7FCIAAAA:20 a=6y6FKsl2jy97yD03j0wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zn0n-5EUEjEA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:50458] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 55/44-07055-159CEE15; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:20:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:20:01 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Art McEwen Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Lazy O/D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > When I crawled under afterwards I confirmed the solenoid is engaging but it > takes a tiny bit of manual pressure on the off-side external arm to get the > O/D to actually kick in, that push seems to be more than the solenoid is > capable of even though it seems to draw the arm up far enough. So in other words, it doesn't engage if you push on the arm on the solenoid side? Assuming that is the case, have you checked that the off-side arm has it's hole lined up with the hole in the case, when the solenoid is engaged? I have had trouble on several occasions with the pinch joint that holds the solenoid arm to the operating shaft slipping over time. It has to be tightened really tight to withstand the pounding from the solenoid, which is hard to do with the original pinch bolt and nut. Last time it happened to me, I machined a nut that would lock into the arm (so no wrench needed) and used a fine thread SHCS (aka Allen head bolt) for the pinch bolt so I could really reef down on it. (Knowing that replacement arms are cheap :) ) I'm not saying you should do that necessarily, just emphasizing the problem as I see it. (This is a mockup using some damaged OD parts from the bin, not my actual OD. The taper on the nut is to keep it from hitting the solenoid mount.) http://goo.gl/OcXHco If the hole does line up, then you may have enough wear inside the unit that the hole is no longer accurate. See Nelson's article on the Buckeye Triumphs site for the "ball lift" method of adjustment. > Im hesitant to adjust the screw on the solenoid plunger since the range of > motion seems correct, is there anything else somebody can suggest? As long as the plunger is picking up, that adjustment is close enough. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:49:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FD64055B for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout15.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout15.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC64403DA for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.13] helo=mailscan13.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout15.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V1heA-0007Fb-Gg for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:18 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V1heA-0005Iy-JY; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:18 -0400 Received: from webmail18.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.18]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 3upJ1m00A0PNxRW01upJc2; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:18 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=BfbC05iEPZMA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=6i2wkwW6YmAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ThMbLMpAaQw4yyDUkGoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=FuGqkY0ic8ce4y3Fqenq5w==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V1he8-0002eM-Og; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:16 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:16 -0400 References: <002701ce87ae$ce8efe20$6bacfa60$@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:16 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Will Daehler" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Maybe an Armstrong Shock problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The shock absorbers do not support the car, that is the function of the springs. Greg G. Osseo,MN > The right rear of my TR4 is sagging to the right. > > > > If I push on the back of the car, only the left side seems to have a nice > rebound bounce. The leaf springs and Armstrong shock play nicely together. > However, the right hand side seems completely lifeless, and seems to be > sitting noticeably lower, firmly metal on metal. > > > > Here is my trouble shooting efforts so far. I jacked up the car, and held > the right rear of the car up by the frame. Took the wheel off, and could > see all parts are present. During this time the axle and suspension hung > freely down. > > > > I put the wheel back on, and lowered the car. > > > > For about ten minutes my car was fine, and the rear bumper was level, and > the right hand side had a nice rebound bounce. > > > > My euphoria dissipated as the car quickly returned to its sagging state. > > > > What do you think is wrong? Is it a bad Armstrong shock and can this be > fixed? > > > > Will Daehler > > 63 TR4 HVDA > > Powder Blue > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 12:59:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B4D40542 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC09B403A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=6i2wkwW6YmAA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=ww6D70dcaX8QYDn97oQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:51028] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 54/3D-07055-462DEE15; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:58:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:58:44 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumph List Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Maybe an Armstrong Shock problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Randy and Valerie DeRuiter wrote: > Hi Will- > > Others I'm sure will chime in, but I don't think it is a problem with the > shock. I agree that it's unlikely to be the shock. An easy test would be to disconnect the shock arm, then bounce it around again. BTW, on a TR4, the rear axle and suspension should NOT "hang freely down". Without the weight of the car on the spring, the axle should rest on the frame. Could it be a TR4A? --- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 14:32:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190B140542 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCD9403C8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-8053.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.79.118] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1V1jG8-0002hN-Vk for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:32:37 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:32:38 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 at 5:28 AM, George Richardson wrote: > > Looks like the spring that goes around the plunger next to the bonnet > latch on my TR3. > Don't think so. That one is in place and if I remember correctly has much thicker coils and way more resistance. Thanks. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 15:15:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C448F4054E for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFB5403A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.121.225.147] (helo=[10.100.189.147]) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1V1jsj-000ME6-AY; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:12:29 +0000 http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) From: Allan Reich Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:12:27 -0700 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Blue smoke under uphill load with TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings Strange smoke started coming out of my TR6 after long climb up steep hill at 65 mph in 4th gear overdrive. Also start smelling the oily smoke. Can run all day at high speed with no issues. This just started as I was on a similar ride last month with no issues. Ran home 100 miles no problems. Tested again yesterday on smaller but just as steep and started smelling it again and saw faint smoke. Compression between 145 to 160. Plugs 1,2,3 clean and 4,5,6 sooty. Car has cam and 3 strombergs (Richard Good stuff) Thought I would throw this out to experts for ideas Thanks Allan Reich Vancouver 1975 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 16:30:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B587040410 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBD140359 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [72.95.45.236]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQE00H8PUFE2N30@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:28:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Note" To: "Allan Reich" , References: <1D048ABD-72E0-4177-8DBB-A36AE29334CF@telus.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:28:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Blue smoke under uphill load with TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Allan: Here are my non-expert comments: Cyls. 3&4 are fed by the middle carb. I'd expect both plugs to read about the same if it were a mixture issue. Are the plugs oily at all? If so, perhaps it's a case of worn valve guides, tho why only the last 3 cyls??? Do you get a noticeable puff of blue smoke after running down a long hill at closed throttle? Any chance the oil level is overfull? Some real experts should be along soon. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Reich" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:12 PM Subject: [TR] Blue smoke under uphill load with TR6 > Greetings > Strange smoke started coming out of my TR6 after long climb up steep hill > at > 65 mph in 4th gear overdrive. Also start smelling the oily smoke. > Can run all day at high speed with no issues. This just started as I was > on a > similar ride last month with no issues. > Ran home 100 miles no problems. Tested again yesterday on smaller but just > as > steep and started smelling it again and saw faint smoke. > Compression between 145 to 160. Plugs 1,2,3 clean and 4,5,6 sooty. Car has > cam > and 3 strombergs (Richard Good stuff) > Thought I would throw this out to experts for ideas > Thanks > Allan Reich > Vancouver > 1975 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 16:31:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFA9403C8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B1A40359 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 22:29:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.30] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 22:28:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 22:28:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374618487; bh=2Jp9A8k2W6nsCtjQ2k1Zh7NZqORVkf4yjr/4Zm2KCzo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=HVeh7BdW6zONyzHIYvn5zY0nPFK75i0HkIu4+k9ECRiI7hJiX66f5gOBbzuK271SpmqxmpQC25DcZR/LMnF2UuXmYrHmKkoTJy6PEdCOg0picubDmgJQU79EbmCMJ9fiyYpekDBXaYfuOZKL7sGt2e3qA++I7YqV7qe9ZQrVtvQ= eT.tCQesTBhH92z8pLw2G6AXlOI5v0YDzqVQTRfaCNQJrUil2Dup_oaEapfZ oAEBI7.hxemNI4ccIK3veGqFl1Ab3z2McGuI5YDRNi4MgqZv44.JcgwPPcJV KZguyTgFL6ieEH4zOtT_qnz9PGXzxFqJgYMSn2xtQPH7baryT1Wtnm7a4C52 eI1rLIm4FcJmJomQtGqwREroqaqntcc.Vbutsu6QtYab5Dx42RJSDvWb2RIg b2FOSrRfIqH6EcB3sVvr5QPcAje0rwYLoBJ5qyoHeMoZ8LjEJGNEkvuTbnO. Q3cXMd7xA3QhtqCP2p.z2GVJLfEDKZLGY4..zPERfhSaNPYEjOEg_tIvKT0l _OQ4zr7t3SVQNioWfKZlOaQC.7jNqq8VWdirYEar72SCtMpp4gi0rhHDZn6B iigrPGduCLrAqa6zutNga2w3t0IJFUijp.acdSw3XLu5qB..crSCOGFSAU1q mUprXuVsxDrEQDJ9oGElWkKpQEphRjIphw8TNLLpdyJ4TZ.MTX2sFdpmC2ZR SwCmfhzFmUc4bSwIobCgty0qcOQSI4h6lxA-- smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 15:28:07 -0700 PDT References: <1D048ABD-72E0-4177-8DBB-A36AE29334CF@telus.net> From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:28:07 -0500 To: Allan Reich Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Blue smoke under uphill load with TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net First thought is valve guides. Compression is good but when your under a load high vacuum is sucking oil from around the guides. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Allan Reich wrote: > Greetings > Strange smoke started coming out of my TR6 after long climb up steep hill at > 65 mph in 4th gear overdrive. Also start smelling the oily smoke. > Can run all day at high speed with no issues. This just started as I was on a > similar ride last month with no issues. > Ran home 100 miles no problems. Tested again yesterday on smaller but just as > steep and started smelling it again and saw faint smoke. > Compression between 145 to 160. Plugs 1,2,3 clean and 4,5,6 sooty. Car has cam > and 3 strombergs (Richard Good stuff) > Thought I would throw this out to experts for ideas > Thanks > Allan Reich > Vancouver > 1975 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 16:34:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6DC40408 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557BC40359 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm32.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.69] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 22:29:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp231.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 22:29:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374618591; bh=3fSuZZkvQqVvWJKsSu9FHPtoZ3aAr+GDmbi5yZNOcY0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=lmRaBRfQgN91YOp3FQYhbdZn46SlybpxlBSnmobB1PCaRtfjWtuI7NW0A1PPgu1TVtrZ6OgrLLDPgPAZW8rdJnykO2AEHD5ifmw4larNOLsahh5BKhDfPeyJNsxeOFlx2kTqbQXFrYr/NnFPkAY966BMKdDyx2MW8yXq33prSzE= XFao6FCqA7o6G_SXr45rGOgymNkh9Q0KAOzBhNqYCxIhfUd0nuU6H.VXoHT7 NT5ZEDl.OMZi8k_jTYlEu822REOZBz4GYzEvNbCJiQayWkqyz6DMsadJyGD. Aq1XBZIFu0XyfxqLtw9uVlQsD2nKLQs0ipZyOimhj83HCkJCJ43voTocQrZP 0oyV3hWRlMfnGMyYS19Z532vsRby6NaVjI3SMegzd4h0n88y6_f3zxcQzy._ X3NRccKhdGVbqFiewdRDeh..aQjraIwAmi9KBIWKd_PUmX6_1aVHup.r819t R1Gk6b_z4zDN2WhhwqBm9fQVQSOj5WSz3YQXsIeVGwRzsdifYfzCaHBqgMam 0Z3vJmMcAViozy_1LNwHceRUAMPpJAdOWd8BMW10hSYU5.kNrapc_ml9dJxs ZkpbcWtjvc440WM_ynvVhDJHhCdBdI_qY5xT4YBFpDzhVCK0dy9o8lulxDJT QEvMa1ML0HOOp..5O1opOgbqXpckgP8bQjLoqY4Q.OErsZ4GAuXmXYjP8x6z Rod.oyKDDPa3JaodFX2YR5UXkIDwrGAEByw-- smtp231.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 22:29:51 +0000 UTC References: <612D6B5C-A631-4E27-AAE1-B81428E3344B@execulink.com> From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:29:51 -0500 To: Keith Stewart Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe someone found it on the ground near your car and figured the TR was the probable owner and tossed it in? BB Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 at 5:28 AM, George Richardson wrote: > >> >> Looks like the spring that goes around the plunger next to the bonnet >> latch on my TR3. >> > Don't think so. That one is in place and if I remember correctly has much > thicker coils and way more resistance. Thanks. > > > Keith Stewart > keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 16:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2252940410 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A23940357 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=NuZkmUYc_uYA:10 a=L94A1jP8BES2MuN7MuAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=avwLKytk7RsA:10 a=hcYTO0nGtI4A:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:54310] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 64/9D-05415-1380FE15; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:48:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:48:17 +0000 From: Randall To: Allan Reich , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Blue smoke under uphill load with TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Compression between 145 to 160. Plugs 1,2,3 clean and 4,5,6 sooty. Car has cam > and 3 strombergs (Richard Good stuff) What do you have for crankcase ventilation? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 19:08:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0FD403F2 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2FB40355 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-8053.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.79.118] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1V1nYt-0002sB-Az; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:08:15 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:08:17 -0400 References: <612D6B5C-A631-4E27-AAE1-B81428E3344B@execulink.com> <8D3BB0D5-A6C2-4885-ACFA-A4C3405E7760@flash.net> To: WBEECH , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR3 Mystery Part and TR3 Bonnet Latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-07-23, at 6:29 PM, WBEECH wrote: > Maybe someone found it on the ground near your car and figured the TR was the probable owner and tossed it in? > LOL, not likely. The car was inside an enclosed trailer, inside indoor storage. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 19:14:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D9E403F2 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48123403A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [23.16.25.27] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1V1neH-000BW3-6p; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:13:49 +0000 http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:13:46 -0700 From: Allan Reich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Randall References: <20130723224817.6Y0AA.16155.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Blue smoke under uphill load with TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall: All the real Crankcase gear is gone (prev owner, not me, I'm innocent !!). I have a hose from the Valve cover to a "jam jar can" mounted where the old 3 tube system is on other TR6's. Then there is a thinner hose going from the "jam jar" to the vacuum junction on the intake manifold that also junctions to the break booster. The science in this is the where the thinner vacuum hose is fit the manifold, on the pipe the hose fits over, there is a plastic plug cap, with a small hole drilled in it to limit the vacuum. the rubber hose fits over this plug/cap, so you don't know it is there. Now, everything has worked like a charm for the two years I have been driving it, up until this last weekend. But it is suspect, because it was the first place I checked, and the Valve cover hose was very close to the 1/4" of oil accumulated in the jam jar. I pulled it up so there was at least 2" above the oil. I thought I had fixed it and was very surprised when I had the issue yesterday. Now the smoke was much less, but the hill was short. It's too bad the test hill is over 100 miles away. I am planning to drive it to the Bellevue ABFM this weekend; I don't believe I will have any problems. Any listers planning to go, can visit me at the show .. it is a distinctive French Blue, with badge bar (including the LIST badge) and has a white TR6 racing stripe (sometimes incorrectly referred to as a TR250 stripe), Allan Reich TR6 - CF30255U (+O) On 7/23/2013 3:48 PM, Randall wrote: >> Compression between 145 to 160. Plugs 1,2,3 clean and 4,5,6 sooty. Car has cam >> and 3 strombergs (Richard Good stuff) > What do you have for crankcase ventilation? > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 20:04:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9A8403C8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F734009A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC4F6700028C7 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dld001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.1]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B3234E000081 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:01:01 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-d298.sysops.aol.com (205.188.93.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:01:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:01:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1374631261; bh=YmBju4pyfNDmw/WHWlTuoz9t44TTJFaBphpPbRUpTBc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i+uXozkVnilhvOlr+owhPc25EKZeTMv45CWyPAjASQDtfL+2PLwfMlzl0PcQyYvT6 CodQg6lQB8Jm4KVBc6t19L6sHYq/vgwZ+gHCmWCvrXZutbDKbQZq9RrcK1WJSYXfS8 kB7/cbRKU26M4SmD7yHqe3cnEtrYss8f8x558K/M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a51ef355d4a66 Subject: Re: [TR] Lazy OD solenoid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This problem sounds just like the one I recently had with my TR4A overdrive. Energize the solenoid electrically and a slight push with a finger actuated it. I concluded the "pull-in" portion of the solenoid had finally expired, and a new solenoid corrected the problem. And new solenoids aren't even expensive, either! Good luck. George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 24 08:46:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB1640414 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18039403DF for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 14:45:48 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.136] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 14:45:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 14:45:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 47240 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2013 14:45:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374677148; bh=1mBkNniUUvyYnSUIMbyEFql0lqvhGRDYQ60diEg+yvo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tY6pByO/W2XAOSZxck4N/H/V8S47Gpp2J3FER2T62tAKLV82B3hf/LNJ8ad/FXOkdXo3X7AOrUn4V1Qr26Fhf2wcfzbrdb7L2mX64zGngLzPw17qaUZmXCXyoAImEfnj1WHeaQqg8l7afo2yh29KXLPxMEK8yQ32uEMV8MVIiiA= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Prg++n6ABI6JeEwa9PR9sY1YuXm5rGvsXaGkhN0QpLsX4LY1pBVxy6NgVVcNsGH71IAOxcq1T5Fhyvm55snyeV0F6isdpdRfC68Ypcw4OnURL0SvOLuESl9kX4o+pW0Xjv9SgJ/4XX/cXssulPv+KtmAwfl62+E8kCJh172T7sU=; V_f1Kgf46hswVsS6VApgEALUwqjif9Il3InyjePtduVUMzFwnjOkUwSKF6rQ HKzXLvPx4g7Wee9PFebwS3JgU7X82_.dPO2fu5Mr5hv4khwA8GetK1t6Q8LH Tx_r2ubFPCRHraFjhH93_yl7mIunRurPhd2QyncEqua5DNwEKPY3KsWcbyrO 0bhiWvpwdysyEtuXVZoMA92qBUQzIszho5V7ZhoG8Z2MyUJbpZlw4cfsHjHv dn3JcWGQnoE1hezPY5LZjHtSaW.IyhTWpmw95XS_Nd6kOl8RDOxJseyTbX1F VOGOGe_c4.PT47NXnpVFkaCErAVx1a92KLEDkaEYXVcrRaQrLY_xIn0vW91r gDSLJYL3ML5xs4VIQWOFkL.Jk1BZdDtWblNPnt0vsHZy_OLCn1bfeqXRFG_C auO2ZBWcfqDpRrWeSPN05JvLJnEhZ3OLeeKDdVSap_PIKS_7w0kpF3k04y6m V2XdSrXxy1hQEFRQX6T4LhP4yHyN1mTxvMrcv.vwU05q4eIilK6peuTEYOfL mhwkPWDzoJuxWq_fJelOgjkGG7tpI_I5zgHA_KGCIv7OcXHSeSQkC4Bba0g- - Received: from [75.57.162.193] by web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:45:48 PDT SWYgeW91IHJ1biB0aHJvdWdoIHRoZSBvdGhlciBkaWFnbm9zdGljIGNoZWNrcyB3aXRoIG5vIHN1Y2Nlc3MgYW5kIG5lZWQgdG8gbWVhc3VyZSB0aGUgcHJlc3N1cmUgdGhlIGh5ZHJhdWxpYyBzeXN0ZW0gaXMgbWFraW5nLCBJIGNhbiBzdXBwbHkgdGhlIG5lZWRlZCBwcmVzc3VyZSBnYXVnZS4gU2VlOmh0dHA6Ly90aW55LmNjL29kZ2F1Z2UKwqAKYnJnZHMsIEpheQrCoAonNjQgVHJpdW1waCBUUjQgc2luY2UgJzY3ATABAQEB Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Holekamp To: "\"Art McEwen\"" Cc: List TR Subject: [TR] Lazy TR3A Overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you run through the other diagnostic checks with no success and need to measure the pressure the hydraulic system is making, I can supply the needed pressure gauge. See:http://tiny.cc/odgauge brgds, Jay '64 Triumph TR4 since '67 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 16:12:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0814040B for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B090A403F8 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:05:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.164] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:05:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 21:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 67380 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2013 21:34:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374788043; bh=rs4RoUJOa6cHY0cQu88d+AytETk0yzcGeYzVrE/K9Ig=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=y24BR/fRECeipkJs9e9+XI70SsJPBDP5Qs9A7Oux1BM+WfSXMhxm0oCCCCqEAVWhWVnh9iER9WgI4cGLdDS9sG/0q/oBHYXOp2TXfaXfmq3mHs8wsWbE2OWmG6Mp9utEMw+Xi7nSQYyVR2F97RHeqzEE+81sginYEX0uFjbS6Kc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qq7B63Rm4hvm+GyUiUcZx78b3PsNp42zTSJwkvTZ0EPixKerKqRGFgvhBTTntjmFbCih7Tcg5wWnDOoeody7bJunjSy7A5rbvLN5ZFPU38R07VhMmUjZnfV6mLYES+YBOcG07pibcS8di5dU1AmimNsSs4OkKVfS2apBCJGA0gM=; TCdfu2VZGHCbE2ODX8gGDIKTTrgdn7pRBDC9R2Xxxhp8893aEgO7RTnd1EmE EYk2A4Wm3..WtQTGSMli2qWkP3hX5JWWH.8M7f8Y.fV31fCsRcqMmLpDbQ8c E5rH3xo_rRv7Zc272IbpJA8ybzDBwIECSVZt.3oj6ziiNuj14V4BofC78VWR c3.7ZswYTZRgLJX6v9CWsDt33cB_t.v_noCFGoWFvAx2s2ZRnXmYpchjwS5E Ky4ANfa4qVkUUIZibVVb2dYIt2uXeGN80btR8toBS7irzP6LIucqK8.NqahP 7snHZMxokZZHkXPUnIWtxImjfvHvwbm0T4NDWu0cIirnWy9Hgvn4euZG2.jJ NDsesn6.N9xJRr.VwYG5EqLbQicjZ6cp3gSLOLySbvQKiNeoYdRhixt7xSof xAUSCBakBxZknhoUs6VSfycMz5wwurq_ygvmfT2eN2JWuv99ygNSr8yESiuT ZHOuvGwvWjBHxCZXiontn8fHSmA5Svgf.J5cFCkAgGF5sKG_JmkyZ Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:34:02 PDT VHJvdWJsZXNob290aW5nIHJlY2VudGx5IHJlc3RvcmVkIHRyLTMgd2l0aCBiYWNrZmlyaW5nIHByb2JsZW1zLsKgIE9ubHkgaGFwcGVucyBqdXN0IGNvbWluZyBvZmYgaWRsZSwgdGhlbiBjbGVhcnMgaXRzIHRocm9hdCBhbmQgcnVucyBmaW5lLsKgIEhpZ2h3YXkgZHJpdmluZyBpcyBhbHNvIGZpbmUgd2l0aCBvdXQgYW55IGhpY2N1cHMuwqAgCgpJIGhhdmUgY2hlY2tlZCB0aGUgcGx1Z3MgYW5kIGZvdW5kIHRoZW0gdG8gYmUgYmxhY2sgd2l0aCBjYXJib24uwqAgSSdtIGFzc3VtaW5nIHRvbyByaWNoIGZ1ZWwBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] backfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Troubleshooting recently restored tr-3 with backfiring problems. Only happens just coming off idle, then clears its throat and runs fine. Highway driving is also fine with out any hiccups. I have checked the plugs and found them to be black with carbon. I'm assuming too rich fuel and plan on slowly leaning out the mixture to see if that helps. My question to those more experienced is: what usually causes backfiring? Am I on the right track or should I also be checking timing? I think the timing is ok as it starts well and I've heard no pinging or other problems. thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 16:43:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6245542795 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.247]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904FC427A5 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:42:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.248] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:42:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:28:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15759 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2013 22:28:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374791338; bh=IhL+WKk6wf/llsrBQ54PQyUcdRHWvDHplSzcV1O7qSM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YN+BtlGl6xlQ9NycIcHGxJ9hC0z9/nrP7Y87CSyJGGfYnEARmJOk2I51AYrAzVj100s99R8VZYB7Q6lUDt0Ln54R66idGCQEVqPKGWKdbVt66vBE2vHsb2H7utovWNKLSN6WLIbB5zcaAgaaKauxtsXqPZvf7ezwgG0qqHiMq8A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lbhqwWq0Z4mlwEnm6wrLaHYkL2Hvc4hL0hp7xhZfSrM1ZX3yPaw0lvbQuxiYrB/y0ClOzx1jKHdqvG0wwLxJqH79k6c8iCQLTt33n7DQtQf7w5XueqkPEp0SbylM/fKtsG6F0O1zZl2rdcxpiQ8PAvYn652TgpVEneSorkXluTQ=; 1J_OsYwvjL9x.h7HZpO0Id_4lF6gz3v5ZENxTjRJk.u.Yut5ChiLQYSSQXMz l6gstSgopjTInYjVilIwZj1NCOqoKHu7FTe0OL6GtoHCZxOQhTPKo7NAej6n aI4K9q5ul1lcU3lCwNpf_CZI5HO0eT1UDE9kOqfdQyc7PFwgPe1BbB2JJzsP OzoJHBF3MPhsUOPwBBNV_ViRHwr23PCx7TBuVvy06uB7gQc_gRwARw70TH_v qDV0Z5UqJwEsI3vAv11CPCJtPalVYcXEjQtxFhFryr6jm7iLG0a0B0QgtyrE e_puHSLNSsbMF56zphQDlb48Xbn_KafYKfMEh2rUlumc_Tr9GcOgCnKyRLHO iFo.Np2jcIzg39AednLMOqnxLjOxjyIpWuA5lJHaaQbB4QPReU8CMjJel9g2 3PkKraLOFmK8pd6aBo6QvxS1GiHyLFDSU5EMxw4v0YK1OjK0CT2CX1DSb3O9 p23lbXGhqzqdgf1jjtwWlavEE.KWkkRw2ie2Vx.cRkjIpbIwc3sFK1W8J1rC .uEfCxd_jwC.ZxjcvGvK05wySo7In1DHILbUxsVSn5f7y7g-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:28:57 PDT dmFsdmUgdGltaW5nPwrCoApGcmFuawogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogR2FyeSBOYWZ6aWdlciA8bmFmemlnZXJnQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KVG86ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIEp1bHkgMjUsIDIwMTMgMjozNCBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIGJhY2tmaXJlCiAgCgpUcm91Ymxlc2hvb3RpbmcgcmVjZW50bHkgcmVzdG9yZWQgdHItMyB3aXRoIGJhY2tmaXJpbmcgcHJvYmxlbXMuwqABMAEBAQE- References: <1374788042.57909.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Gary Nafziger , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] backfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net valve timing? Frank ________________________________ From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [TR] backfire Troubleshooting recently restored tr-3 with backfiring problems. Only happens just coming off idle, then clears its throat and runs fine. Highway driving is also fine with out any hiccups. I have checked the plugs and found them to be black with carbon. I'm assuming too rich fuel and plan on slowly leaning out the mixture to see if that helps. My question to those more experienced is: what usually causes backfiring? Am I on the right track or should I also be checking timing? I think the timing is ok as it starts well and I've heard no pinging or other problems. thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 16:51:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6E240406 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DA1403D3 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:49:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.5] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:49:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 22:46:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 84590 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2013 22:46:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1374792366; bh=SKloCHMtlZ4jvx/Q9Xt12B5sfmp/947V73/JSKCNM9I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3gbkKH3jj/wzkbI5JEouZD6VNgHdBsvo4cD96XD7JZNTzAmj9K8ROPFcU3cqIapcgaud+v3QUD/JGBzo+LTkTIDxOhJnh/nhgV6YPfCxLodLsIuzTj4gttqpNuElSYCw1YuPaDoKWXDHS8pdPlWZJjWLybYU9rp4VNm/IE3pErw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=haSPyb8AuelBwHLbpuYJHrypaE3nqi7cGj5grryGzWrq84DiegYu1GeFbcEArp6IOqYg7g/XjiJJjeXhLUKAIMsmYgzgMAiX1R4nCCFmEct4GjyDHjAohk8W0obX+9N7Nn3MfHKED+tKA49eI3s7ZDXEo9ND9Opexh8WVOvMW4U=; z8ymj2bioAvHyAH8d9Hdddh.HWZ9MU1NOf8qsz9t50uZObQEnpDyei.XLWeO imHmA7DcWCVjAp.m8W9DzxHbt2D302J0pgSHCxLNeRYCrSLSh_RpscEXv538 DX1B7y2AE4RWL.zU6.EKE3Y0HZWBFrEHnYQWV5N5R_otH9tlu5mzmCGYii.y v54KUmXSlMtw_kPEACNIk3fxjOYixGccI_A48.d9PrFfYkyI8pl1gX2uLqch g3FwjXF1iDmNEjraVRASZmKLHP4FyNjebKdw4fyOnSA2E7GE9GFexuNq.9Bv iwxmga5O7mnfDAy7ZBkgEyhMiJpQc089J6d_EL5gt.Lau3WhYzG6H1cGl1MO ej_LKytBphp9F_EARXGvjsAwjOyhfxxw5sKTlh3TbHnmonCjyoY.ylLzKOyk .d7TwetQKKJjbEXOeT9KuOLu18EFG0q.esRMXYkaO8EyA0xCLpgaRA7o6kNB TRrH6XoutwTiKk1NkutX3CpmLjpyYBlMon4ckAnwwssJzR2q.W1D5H5.KcGb yJBwo0PQH__0qkZCAOh7YEtctJeGy7QUE8_VtPU9NX86DdQ-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:46:06 PDT bWVhbnQgdG8gc2F5ICJ2YWx2ZSBsYXNoIgpGcmFuawogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogR2FyeSBOYWZ6aWdlciA8bmFmemlnZXJnQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KVG86ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIEp1bHkgMjUsIDIwMTMgMjozNCBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIGJhY2tmaXJlCiAgCgpUcm91Ymxlc2hvb3RpbmcgcmVjZW50bHkgcmVzdG9yZWQgdHItMyB3aXRoIGJhY2tmaXJpbmcgcHIBMAEBAQE- References: <1374788042.57909.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Gary Nafziger , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] backfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net meant to say "valve lash" Frank ________________________________ From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [TR] backfire Troubleshooting recently restored tr-3 with backfiring problems. Only happens just coming off idle, then clears its throat and runs fine. Highway driving is also fine with out any hiccups. I have checked the plugs and found them to be black with carbon. I'm assuming too rich fuel and plan on slowly leaning out the mixture to see if that helps. My question to those more experienced is: what usually causes backfiring? Am I on the right track or should I also be checking timing? I think the timing is ok as it starts well and I've heard no pinging or other problems. thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 16:57:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E168C4043C for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E154003F for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9sQojRIYhhMA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=VXRmiaJCNsYQrov5dT8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:58723] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id AC/5C-15971-04DA1F15; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:57:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:57:04 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] backfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Gary Nafziger wrote: > Troubleshooting recently restored tr-3 with backfiring problems. Through the carbs, or through the exhaust? What are you using for ignition? > I have checked the plugs and found them > to be black with carbon. I'm assuming too rich fuel and plan on slowly > leaning out the mixture to see if that helps. > > My question to those more > experienced is: what usually causes backfiring? Am I on the right track or > should I also be checking timing? Freshly built engine, combined with the black plugs, I would be looking at valve lash, & valve timing, especially if it's backfiring through the carbs. Also anything that might be wrong around the distributor and coil, like a loose connection or short to ground. The lead to the points and the ground for the point plate are forced to flex when you crack the throttle, so they could be problem spots. At least in my experience, only lean mixture can cause backfiring; not rich. With mixture rich, the flame burns all the oxygen and what's left is a non-flammable mixture of mostly nitrogen, carbon and combustion products. It takes a lean mixture (or an ignition problem) to get enough air into the exhaust to burn. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 19:54:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C2440416 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6017F403EA for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W35 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:53:59 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 21:53:59 -0400 FILETIME=[FEEB3DE0:01CE89A2] Subject: [TR] Brake light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A buddy of mine is looking for a brake light switch for his TR4. Would prefer to not use the plastic versions sold for the Triumphs these days. I seem to recall one from another car being a direct replacement. Is it Honda? Anybody remember the details? Thanks, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 20:10:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCCB40403 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-03-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7127403C6 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.116]) by p3plwbeout06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id 4q5g1m0012Wr24H01q5gYP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:05:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 7240 invoked by uid 99); 26 Jul 2013 02:05:40 -0000 To: trmarty@hotmail.com From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:05:40 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI 24737 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe honda but can't help more than that. I would also like to know. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [TR] Brake light Switch From: marty sukey Date: Jul 25, 2013 8:54 PM To: "Triumph List" CC: A buddy of mine is looking for a brake light switch for his TR4. Would prefer to not use the plastic versions sold for the Triumphs these days. I seem to recall one from another car being a direct replacement. Is it Honda? Anybody remember the details? Thanks, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 25 20:22:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C2C4043D for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59A440402 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (64-252-187-166.adsl.snet.net [64.252.187.166]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MAhjH-1UwFI20tHn-00B39F; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:19:17 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "marty sukey" , "Triumph List" References: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:19:25 -0400 /tDKAUGcZ0xzzSVOISpWd+/TvzheDLYxBAEVR1NOYouuO2po/y wEmkIxsLtckiDIDvRfftO5DcYlcgauLJXerO+HC+jINn/n4F1J wFYaA/4oCve7/nI4XwxJy+CJSODcbYZynkbgD84MEjwMEAChCH wQw0mmG/VHhKBcx4L298Do2qMxYucHzrPk32zXOj7LCbRMQeyc m8EUbqLsecTKkarMVnkPehJyy6VJCGSP7IN8hhMERr/Pr3HVob MX7pDVfJ3bUlgy5ngnz4kTAR8yi/9H10Eml2JXpwMrFxIbgdQp qi0ve/zXoY8i8u6v0pmHwhZfsx5atO7yhRZrf9fGo Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a couple for the TR6 which I think is the same for the TR4 http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AltBrakeSwitch.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:53 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Brake light Switch A buddy of mine is looking for a brake light switch for his TR4. Would prefer to not use the plastic versions sold for the Triumphs these days. I seem to recall one from another car being a direct replacement. Is it Honda? Anybody remember the details? Thanks, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 07:29:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6314040B for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEC6403F5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id jz10so1278950veb.12 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jizSpgkSwQ0Wbtgolfm9HcB7VKbjGCrsGdu/p4mDjP4=; b=HyDJTRxCSJDr+YqxapUefRslRSMMtR1olCzByrn+FLT6xqH7s7db2aILbBIQUd/pTF cG0GoJKYr8GNjEAyrey0WBNgqjaDipMdfgCGBw2qQFx7YYiTgXSRKf8ZI1wmWeXVJXX5 8LPji3rYHMLOjBI+7BspvKD41/wQfkKDpYccR87Ch0j+Tevm0F9lyazVfuO9OIyN1ZYF Ylh1U0yIcmJgFoWiSQy58tkbyWfN/zRhbSrQiuY/2Sb1EJ4eEYROVxw4hJ9L9DWiesPF rqllunrn2Pr5TkkHveJve6mzt2YmvMsVKn3GPRYN3oy8AJmhD63bJI4dAYyPfuizNRag eSyg== te6mr3046204vdc.56.1374845303108; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.30.13 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 06:28:23 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: marty sukey Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:53 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A buddy of mine is looking for a brake light switch for his TR4. Remarkably, in case you did not notice, the originals were not Lucas -- they were made by Delco. Must be some story there. When I first saw mine I assumed a PO had put a Chevy (or Vauxhall) part on the car but later learned that this is as original. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 17:26:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF04940411 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:26:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-ss-2069.bluehost.com (outbound-ss-2069.bluehost.com [70.40.217.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 330A3403FE for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:25:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25687 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2013 15:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy3.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.72) by soproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2013 15:57:27 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.64); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:57:27 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=50545 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V2kOU-0000rX-Ck; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:57:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:57:23 -0500 To: marty sukey From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light Switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Prior response from my personal archives: If it doesn't offend your sensibilities, go to a Honda dealer and get one for an '87 Civic Si. Personally, I went to the auto parts store with the idea I wanted one from a Honda but not knowing which model. The helpful clerk pulled a few until we found one that looked like it would work - just had two terminals and a threaded barrel. Don't remember which model it was from but it's been fine (knock on wood) ever since. Tony D At 08:28 AM 7/26/2013, Geo Hahn wrote: >On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:53 PM, marty sukey wrote: > > > A buddy of mine is looking for a brake light switch for his TR4. > > > >Remarkably, in case you did not notice, the originals were not Lucas -- >they were made by Delco. > >Must be some story there. When I first saw mine I assumed a PO had put a >Chevy (or Vauxhall) part on the car but later learned that this is as >original. > >Geo > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 27 09:43:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE7B4043F for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ED640359 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170029pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MQL007MMQ7CIO80@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:40:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.101.255.163 ([71.101.255.163]) by vms170029 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:40:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:40:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Windshield Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am putting the little chrome finishers on the windshield frame. I thought I had images of the direction they go but evidently not. So - the question to the all knowledgeable list is - which way? Looks like they can go so that the bottom edge is sort of parallel to the stanchion flange that is visible from the front of the car or if I use the other one - pointing toward the outer edge. My inclination is the former but want to make sure. Anyone BTDT or have images? Thanks Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 27 13:10:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADB44043F for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F254039F for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170019pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MQL008GFZWSGC90@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.101.255.163 ([71.101.255.163]) by vms170019 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:10:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Windshield Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Never mind all - the internet is such a great place... http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?85673-TR3-Windshield-Rebuild-and-Assembly-Step-by-Step step #13... Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 07/27/13, WBEECH wrote: What finishers? The tenon plates? I can take a picture for you. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Carl TR wrote: > I am putting the little chrome finishers on the windshield frame. I thought I had images of the direction they go but evidently not. > > So - the question to the all knowledgeable list is - which way? > Looks like they can go so that the bottom edge is sort of parallel to the stanchion flange that is visible from the front of the car or if I use the other one - pointing toward the outer edge. My inclination is the former but want to make sure. Anyone BTDT or have images? > > Thanks > > > Carl > 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO > mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 10:46:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C3140517 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD8E403D7 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS9 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:46:35 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:46:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6LsfwQVdIi9C60Tr6Ou/kBs4r6Fw== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[05D5F2B0:01CE8BB2] Subject: [TR] TR6 Brake Bleeding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently acquired a 1971 TR6 that has been off the road since 2001. I have replaced rear wheel cyl, master cyl and rubber brake lines, but am having difficulty with the shuttle valve in the 4 way union. Brakes are bled with firm pedal and no air in system, but shuttle keeps shutting off the rear circuit, so only the fronts are working. In order bleed rear brakes, we held the shuttle in place with a small screwdriver until we had pressure on and no air in the rear circuit, assuming that once the pressure was equalized that the shuttle would stop moving, it hasn't. Any ideas? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 28 12:15:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8F640512 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA39E400A5 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (64-252-187-166.adsl.snet.net [64.252.187.166]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8Ouw-1U8uO71Ae2-00wHtA; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:11:53 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Jonas Payne" , References: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:11:48 -0400 Zl+JYTKqxVyxZ8rTPFj1nunarLJqUJQs/HCJ/uvDbO40w/EDbz HIXl2oa5Gzrp3WEbVGxO2XSDUznGr1+OiGQN+xw/AZaZv6LfAr GHQkjU5k9BZlYOWgTk/HjRgsssruh74FkFvT5ZU6sG0j0NU5aN QYzlNbxNhEAbVBTHCMHefCAfDriibzERyDYaoJ0NRh2H0WCJA2 NBhdF4jqaxn4iA/XbXK74uPzvak2NBpfEOQf7CR+1YZG+ykPsy 4/agBFh1ih2zZcWhNXnPKV74t3VgiFWvmnxbKgfSl1HzI6rTmi fi544qkGVbI5l9pA7a19XL18IkynTYvknciJpxaTS Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Brake Bleeding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Did you center the shuttle as it sounds like it isn't staying centered. Here's a couple of good Moss videos that might help.... even walks you through a rebuild http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hk73mih2pc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oI2yrRCUVI&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLC91A2C23FE406FAF Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Payne Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:46 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Brake Bleeding I recently acquired a 1971 TR6 that has been off the road since 2001. I have replaced rear wheel cyl, master cyl and rubber brake lines, but am having difficulty with the shuttle valve in the 4 way union. Brakes are bled with firm pedal and no air in system, but shuttle keeps shutting off the rear circuit, so only the fronts are working. In order bleed rear brakes, we held the shuttle in place with a small screwdriver until we had pressure on and no air in the rear circuit, assuming that once the pressure was equalized that the shuttle would stop moving, it hasn't. Any ideas? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 00:04:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF92D4270F for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7791140E1F for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:57:13 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=xlr00m3XUeMA:10 a=HoJF4bH_XqBKn_1GxA4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ipdLLEr4nOMA:10 a=aXmXp0MG7QkA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 72/AF-05415-83406F15; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:57:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:57:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6LsfwQVdIi9C60Tr6Ou/kBs4r6FwAbkGNQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Brake Bleeding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You need to pull the "valve" apart and find out what is wrong with it. It is not supposed to ever shut off the flow of fluid. With the shuttle to either end, it should only close the switch to light the warning lamp. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 07:09:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB73040EBA for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s36.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s36.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C93240C00 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W121 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:07:32 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List , Wedge list Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:07:32 -0400 References: <20130729060001.86AEC18C0FA@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>, FILETIME=[C0BED000:01CE8D25] Subject: [TR] TRF S.P. and TR8 FS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW, I will have my $6500 TR8 that is for sale at the TRF Summer Party this weekend in case anybody wants to take a gander. Detail/pictures can be seen at http://sdrv.ms/113Ehec Thanks, Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 12:22:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E318D4270E for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4EC40325 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2013 18:18:19 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.161] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2013 18:18:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2013 18:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14365 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2013 18:18:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375208299; bh=AazUzzrtE/qc4ZuZET3pcVx78aNIRK7EGXO6DIWR94c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4bJ1+QCRyrGn8yobHKCvZpmMhFAD3JxmiRR5lnJGJT+cL8sHFAwLn57TLYzt+mTYkOdiAVaB9393VxivTtyvnlohMw5wr+YhwUNk2a0J2Am7VazCL04fgCqjFF+sWUev9ZN2KkKbxKxT/S2+Su5r5/LIjY0+uTjrfIf05AAN+GI= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nm3TSE4+AWPJxLErCWNAPr1P+evhf06Hl24wWmIoMtiVUeGDF3EM8c9uzMfMTUe5jJrisTDIgmcQYIEn539pO2vcTxxjnYTu0p/K9CEhhKUeiOkXvYrbD4YyCt71A8TeeCgtFIgpQ/yRsAAxNo3I3zJAa1QbPjrG72FSqDE1lHU=; XV8G28XJHi1mPaf3D2EUsJeN6_yn3FJqMuowD6NuiKtIO5HMrEr4Kl1Mouxy OiaafXuGlODvYFmwL__RxFalCKhijP_q4CGf1q05wVh45XFts8PqJnxBXS8x ULdX7fSZGBFYusIK59TfHhHLICeDUgHPXkXxB4bd8nQRahnQRJgyTp3wUSFG r2KVJl3p8TBS0sybP9RyEEWhGHGJbAP03_QLaIB7bBm4zwSUkFFpbgSnEazc gsFQaZ75OdAyvoR0N1hZc_G1SLYcP.EAodaOHoDn1X3_WBxPTeZw22jvXRun rxasBYeyPQtwNFRdCozLhWeoTvIuOF2JQzr7bl19UC7SGDv9eNXYjql2BhNP rERtvS_azabn.FoUPiYODzLRjpsqH0TplRmFY6OLfOHfbwk1rXyPnZY4GHtF 0lcTPDdV.rdt70Kc6.ilzijzLKe5ETn4813tF3Q0l2YsRhF1kxF8hQNlXrKV 182Tobazp5ApAbCh7YxpyRb1ymnVhfIPn2IXupZX.1_.KOkc.iMLrUkPLtZL c_EHNjBdiFeeMBSGodK1oYh9.Kh4R5DpYWM7b15J73boS2609YtUicIS.5LP oBwiAeuoG Received: from [99.149.16.191] by web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:18:19 PDT TWFydHksCkkgYmUgQCBUUkYsIHdpbGwgbG9vayzCoCBKVVNUIExPT0suCkdvdCBhbiAnODAgVFItOCB3aXRowqBob3BlZCDCoHVwIG1vdG9yLCBhYnQuCjMwMCBocCsvLQpKb2huIERhYmFycyzCoCBJbmRpYW5hcG9saXMsIEluZGlhbmEKIAoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206ICJ0cml1bXBocy1yZXF1ZXN0QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IiA8dHJpdW1waHMtcmVxdWVzdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4KVG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Janis Dabars To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Marty, I be @ TRF, will look, JUST LOOK. Got an '80 TR-8 with hoped up motor, abt. 300 hp+/- John Dabars, Indianapolis, Indiana ________________________________ From: "triumphs-request@autox.team.net" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:00 PM Subject: Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 274 Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to triumphs@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to triumphs-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at triumphs-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. TRF S.P. and TR8 FS (marty sukey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:07:32 -0400 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List , Wedge list Subject: [TR] TRF S.P. and TR8 FS Message-ID: charset="us-ascii" FWIW, I will have my $6500 TR8 that is for sale at the TRF Summer Party this weekend in case anybody wants to take a gander. Detail/pictures can be seen at http://sdrv.ms/113Ehec Thanks, Marty ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 274 **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 14:47:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6C74271F for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:47:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2F742744 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 65-121-246-2.dia.static.qwest.net ([65.121.246.2] helo=[172.30.0.175]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1V4dHM-0002vo-0V for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:45:52 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:45:56 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 275 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 at 11:18 AM, John Dabars wrote: > > Marty, > I be @ TRF, will look, JUST LOOK. > Got an '80 TR-8 with hoped up > motor, abt. > 300 hp+/- > John Dabars, Indianapolis, Indiana Chris and I will be there also. This time we are bringing two Triumphs, her TR6 and my TR4. This will be the 25th Summer Party weekend for us - we came even on the years Charles did not have a SP. This visit for the TR4 will be the fifth different Triumph we have brought to Summer Party. While I am interested in seeing Mary's car - it seems like a great value, there is just no room in our collection for another one. We are trimming down as it is. See you all in a few days. Cheers Keith Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 20:42:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF824040B for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F04040B for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:42:31 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1pky5Vkqx_UA:10 a=CoSt5x8-q4S0vhzAN0gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XEwUBDYgZ_gA:10 a=q6QRNGPaIHYA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=mG6OxhEvlX6-Iri13bgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:51470] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 73/A1-05415-61BC9F15; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 02:42:31 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:42:28 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6OYMNPdwUgU5DhTxWuYxv4Q2+iJw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Windshield Wiper Rack Grease Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What lubricant does everyone use on the windshield wiper rack? Mine is running really slow with a new motor, and manually pushing the rack through the tubes is s little stiff. I originally used white lithium that may be the issue. It may be the tubes but they are a bitch to work on and hoped it may be something easier like lubricant. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive