From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 03:23:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AED4274D for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 03:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A8EB4272A for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 03:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 09:22:15 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.118] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 09:22:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 09:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 1261 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2013 09:22:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375348935; bh=/2miiDbSJaf5ONJoj8sr37SZx0qdyC95a7UHjYws2UI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VhvkIT57pcQTvuQqwbz7JMrIIL/uyAjUzzU/HVC9DlwKkZzurrSsj5jpzqIoHp0QkE2Bh3QixDkhFXfMi3GRQa1s/y0RPf+5n7o6aphuMlwbov0lNMRHYjCJVT/QUUsEKlYV4SoSPmWoVb0Uch0/Lb2uatNBau8kIJEGYZmM2oA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uAROWD6941JV6qKwiSdPAw4qIq59waEqBVyQsZIg55DAQO8W8xz+vY7zinFI0cDcWJxy5Q6bZKYL0Ane1Mjf+A2h/7kEtP4dYzPe3gRk9atYO3I3mRdp0g1fgdnm/G6U0U6L10mHSuwNX5Im5IM8mI+I1X3j5HqBukyJGoZURVU=; jJ5gClCLHrJDVNoyhZdT8MeIaE6vf8nS0NqDh7NeeuL1I5GwUQqhDw.1SMeD znGYAb2AyekbdoseOcBh8bLA1dOLqNppN.smzbYIQEbsxcOlFjOGW7nCtj7f 5lRs.FBYLDuYEPd4gr.rNVPA.R7ZMwqDHM.CGM1HXC0fSlOOfofbZxvjJ4Hx uZ3bnRh6qMBPoSBdvJvKRUnSfWWVeClwqzx4q_LbKktWnTsrs3Karwqyfml_ WmIZKDdohj0pgvaRQvL_cFBYWhz2_UgvPalbDV53eUU1n.0I_JYgxEu7clUC FLmtbns7EKJMIKbP4OOsDtBoREcLSPSjee2CqhybI_4PqHND5z_yIsfbQkFk KUUAHEdyerg5QBS6RfIGUomLX35AVZLDsMkPYuN8UASzdtuHRNbSQhm8N0FS M5Rfenb5cusXs32FVrQNzHGnbQ1uJ3GgmKWf_n5wcXEuL9bszwu3CT3rG3zA zwjwKCRBClZkLZwveCFMZvBQVCetbRQ1WiFUD5D2Y6Rl2fHB4UH0hB2rxcKZ vf_2EOUFSSyX9RAZxhrkR5VEflDD5XDKi_DCjGuv7eSCjwMI.fZwI7orG Received: from [90.219.169.116] by web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:22:14 BST TXkgZ2VuZXJhbCBwdXJwb3NlIGdyZWFzZSBpcyBTaGVsbCBSZXRpbmF4IEEgYW5kIGl0J3MgY2VydGFpbmx5ICdsaWdodCcgZW5vdWdoIGZvciB0aGUgd2lwZXIgd2hlZWxib3hlcyBhbmQgdGhlIGZsZXhpYmxlIGRyaXZlLgoKCkpvbm1hYwoKRnJvbTogSm9obiAmIFBhdCBEb25uZWxseSA8cGRvbm5lbDFAc2FuLnJyLmNvbT4KPlRvOiBUcml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKPlNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCAxIEF1Z3VzdCAyMDEzLCAzOjQyCj5TdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIFdpbmRzaGllbGQgV2lwZXIgUmFjayABMAEBAQE- References: <000601ce8e60$c3e9d810$4bbd8830$@rr.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:22:14 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: John & Pat Donnelly , "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Windshield Wiper Rack Grease Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My general purpose grease is Shell Retinax A and it's certainly 'light' enough for the wiper wheelboxes and the flexible drive. Jonmac From: John & Pat Donnelly >To: Triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 3:42 >Subject: [TR] Windshield Wiper Rack Grease > > >What lubricant does everyone use on the windshield wiper rack? Mine is >running really slow with a new motor, and manually pushing the rack through >the tubes is s little stiff. I originally used white lithium that may be >the issue. It may be the tubes but they are a bitch to work on and hoped it >may be something easier like lubricant. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 12:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244D9429F9 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E587A427FB for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:44:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id k13so1955505wgh.1 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:44:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=K3+yLBRhz8xY5mpAkPi7ZgLvqKXPvYhi21inZhxJzvU=; b=niCNbMaYvViCA+Jb7KP24+4OKTGURrG43DnMPmS5gqR+iWhrGJJwpe1qMqkJRufF9H 4kLwrGfYM5pvz4dVNjSoUbfGvk2mWB4W7XBCqs7Hm5n4ql9Qn4mLPtP7m1Iv2wXSPYO6 1ClhKpIhdsNxXIs4LH3OO0vuXQL8erYfbyvhzYrYhwmtOj+LOToGI5PNhK21V6NAIKcl NIAIMH54n+6JlujksLfbInHA1xEPssrVxkln7IVHlleHAuEZ0NCiNlA9IpMqbWSZf98r 46fbMFv2gtg+8Txsa6GLLhmKMHJ52QoC1peD695zTp4x9qT2dyOsGDHRAOPAi3v/QM9/ q71Q== v15mr2151402wie.53.1375382648925; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.83.170 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:44:08 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Ya never know about Harbor Freight, but... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...you pays your money and you takes your chances. http://www.harborfreight.com/iron-armor.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3113c&utm_source=1030 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 12:53:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38E442A65 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C3442936 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id j13so1955205wgh.2 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RAFx7g5ax4UMQBRHG9umN5mvQfM3jSf9mnYcIrfIPNU=; b=d9nhPX5T6qmy00Nz3eXrprgr/Imak+52Cp3d1L/JdgwLEvc9oPlYgoSGmpoH9VyUv3 z+UQ+zpeO4Z04kZNNg4JoCssJmFFMFO/x71h8/RSZAN2uXC3wxjvgw+oU4rbdSTf+2L8 825YCvNanNkYa7QcSjcPwH8Jx1CJSUtfGGNHQVPp/Ay9Y/48tl7i75sZvI7kxO8E4E3I 9dG0M4HwWq7rsYaLKy1kXN9Psc7Fnwu8ckfLFOFtYfdR/jTGwW1zBdiqZsqpksdiyuFi NWN/R6tckAb3FFD7A+5Uxnd6XtTcuycdEYBb+WVksNu1PGuj5LjuzQBoTtlzuxOs0sot w9YQ== lt11mr8737055wic.57.1375382792689; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.222.70 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:46:32 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 276 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used white lithium, or maybe Lubriplate, the last time. Been in about 3-4 years and with several infrequent uses it moves much faster than it did with wheel bearing grease, especially when cold. Not sure how many other choices there are that will be significantly different than either of those. Ben...... On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:42:28 -0700 > From: "John & Pat Donnelly" > To: > Subject: [TR] Windshield Wiper Rack Grease > Message-ID: <000601ce8e60$c3e9d810$4bbd8830$@rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > What lubricant does everyone use on the windshield wiper rack? Mine is > running really slow with a new motor, and manually pushing the rack through > the tubes is s little stiff. I originally used white lithium that may be > the issue. It may be the tubes but they are a bitch to work on and hoped it > may be something easier like lubricant. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 14:41:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D5042A78 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E14E42A75 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:32:10 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=kEzDqh53yfNEZBf7GfzQVkaDdboq3y09Ywi4tMVU9bgkpV7k4860VL7lwQdyCKAH; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V4zXd-000689-UE for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:32:09 -0400 Received: from 198.203.177.177 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:32:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:32:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Windshield Wiper Rack Grease Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used white lithium a couple of months ago. Not a long time frame, but it helped alot and still seems fine. Roger Elliott >> >> What lubricant does everyone use on the windshield wiper rack? Mine is >> running really slow with a new motor, and manually pushing the rack through >> the tubes is s little stiff. I originally used white lithium that may be >> the issue. It may be the tubes but they are a bitch to work on and hoped it >> may be something easier like lubricant. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 10:19:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEA9428A8 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62AE40526 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 16:11:24 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.174] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 16:11:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1085.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 16:11:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 19331 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2013 16:11:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375459884; bh=ALfMJpE9r1vMcMIwN6TWHJahXy81+RwaEFSxsLFur0Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G5PXZv5yFx6Cy0wAAIR0/IHo8rjPlhICzRGmJrXdc/2xMUfVSYmdNUUYYh1hQJW1MgPvjaZ/XexNcudRYIe10y8sUccFlvV8CyzuxH+h+26l3LukEciEegTRuRLsEiMm303gMOf8DYKN6I2jvoHdg5q+VvGTAk7Z7rQbmWi4Nrs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=006ZzmmhKjEPn74TVbq56ddbteDPA8fsGAcWqbX2Y10zaKh6OuFv6NN0Hq/LQFcJ3CvHK3IX8mvWriyT1pleOJHHhzdkh31K1Y2GoPdGolnS/ThGJKX2h4tcmLm4KWiZ8Ga7MIF6HyBGbbcWyQbbU3qIz2tsUoGjlCnE98CA6mQ=; ZyrQZaTaKeD_DUAyih9kMeylzeEy42dWpFrQ5S1E_745ab6tXVXZZpaswQ4e 6w7igZZr.zQB6hPTOQ4GVZrKFhXhB5Y9XhJ5v9kU2mkaePnUSJnoiKIPYtx6 d2EYz39a9lFejEOaHlXzDJy_5_LIN9dCMIRj8ZCNjqkYT5nzXBnUWUJjxmRP O6df1l4c7u.FwiE6mOWCVDFW8Xm1SUb4BRPsoRjPzhpRrvDmMlANp0rj8AEY s_iqOoIxS1mSdXAbXEM60C5awifbUV.ZwgbrU6oWl.xHaSHlFBO_OBbcQyhr 5Lkw33ZBRpgQCrgqEO4qpCShMe1IdbvOrkeiBMA9w8ox5QxULKTahrXJeUPx dU7cBVFtuHLrrYxqAZY2oy3mz4TeczsfI2Zdp_dS7DGz2JCKb75k7rSXLEZE NUAj1WHe02CidYtxzASp_237WJVxCPoNv4Vd1vCX4D1PzcHa1zhxrqWmlRfb yisuBvGbFVSHH9VBJcH11fa7a6OsQnO0COl.oEgqL6Xs1goRvkg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:11:24 PDT aWYgSSByZWNhbGwgc29tZW9uZSBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QgaXMgYSBtb3NzIG1vdG9ycyBlbXBsb3llZS4KY291bGQgeW91IHBsZWFzZSBjb250YWN0IG1lIGRpcmVjdC4KdGhhbmtzCkZyYW5rATABAQEB Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] moss motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net if I recall someone on this list is a moss motors employee. could you please contact me direct. thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 10:21:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52A542A5E for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277AC4069E for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-1273.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.244.249]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1V5I6C-0007Wx-HL for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:21:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:21:19 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - oil pressure adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Just trying to straighten out some of the issues with my '2 project that is finally ready for the road. My '2 had the early filter head with the partial full-flow feature. I changed it out to a newer Purolator full flow filter head. I cleaned the head up and left the pressure adjustment as found. My engine seems to be running a high oil pressure - around 50 lbs. at idle and going up to around 70 - 80 lbs. revving or under load. I feel this is a bit high and wondering if I should try to adjust the pressure bolt on the filter head. Do you try to get the adjustment at idle and that should set it for the entire range? I was aiming for something around 30 lbs. at idle and trying for around 70 at load or revving around 3000 rpm. Am I on the right track here? Could it possibly be my gauge? I have a freshly rebuilt engine with no apparent problems and using 20 - 50 oil. Thanks for any help with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 12:29:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CBA42AC0 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5405240437 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=c0T7AIMLmYwA:10 a=rlVDi6EfAAAA:8 a=fei6iyjAvfIL9sjCMz8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=OzOkUxcCGUcA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:53543] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4A/F8-09254-4B3FBF15; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 18:00:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:00:20 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Angelo Graham Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - oil pressure adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Angelo Graham wrote: > My '2 had the early filter head with the partial full-flow feature. Not "full flow" at all, it was a bypass type filter, designed to take wool felt filter cartridges that wouldn't flow enough oil to feed the engine. So the engine was fed with oil direct from the pump, and the filtered oil was returned to the crankcase (to be sucked up the next time). That sounds really bad, until you consider that many successful engines (eg the Model T and VW bug) had no oil filters at all! > My engine seems to be > running a high oil pressure - around 50 lbs. at idle and going up to > around 70 - 80 lbs. revving or under load. I feel this is a bit high That is perfectly normal, I would leave the adjustment alone! Practical Hints calls for 70 psi minimum with hot oil and traveling at speed. If you would like to see only 70 psi instead of 70 to 80; try using thinner oil. Assuming you are still seeing 80 with the oil thoroughly warmed up; without a thermostat it takes much longer for the oil to get up to normal operating temperature than shown on the dash gauge. A fresh engine shouldn't need 20W50 unless you routinely drive in desert conditions. Again Practical Hints only recommends up to 40 weight. (Note that the 20W portion of your oil's rating refers to its "winter" performance, below freezing. At operating temperature, it's a 50 weight oil.) > Do you try to get the adjustment at idle and that should set it for the > entire range? NO! The pressure relief valve should only start to open at 70 psi. In the vast majority of cases, it will not be open at all at idle. And even once it starts to open, it operates over a range, so the pressure will still not be entirely constant. > I have a freshly rebuilt engine with no apparent problems and using 20 - > 50 oil. Stop worrying, get in and drive! Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 13:42:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484C042AC2 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56AC4009A for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7v1v1m00417dt5G5BvVzvh; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:29:59 +0000 Received: from [10.254.6.204] ([174.225.4.11]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7vVq1m00V0EFsau3ZvVtZX; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:29:57 +0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:29:56 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1375471799; bh=MTbqEO0lRyAhz3EruY6i866eyOjLbN8t3DOusLSaqBY=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Rj5Hf07eY0ajuqWNHVMI9xp46iwAaIYdgM0JP2ZqoXLYMwIoSSRShDa1Hp5P0Qip1 q/jmfz7FdVUJtnZVJnJyFXMXcV77oQyJ9doQlfyGriVb0knbfmuK6ZwWkfLJgeu/8j cO7yBnA+1NrglurKnyku+BCb557LWDmd3VCpY3Si8/I5CIFDpcEO/lwbZqJFttpY0X KTaeVArMb9Gwfrc1gBN2ZgJaogU63nQsU61t352yAd9YE+aplw6BQJgOetkIzSaoS3 1ZPI+QcyFZcRehFGKkiiw9hxKigt0FsxI75htc+UsGQCJhVS3v009WQ3I+5J6Z0UtR Ru7pQr0y610gw== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR2/3_-_oil_pressure_adjustment?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The 20 means it performs as a 20 wt. oil at -25 f limited to 4500 rpm. The 50 means that at 210 degrees (which is considered a normal warm engine temp), it has the load capability of a 50 wt. oil. The cold numbers are a "pourability" number, too. One further thing: the additives that allow this depletes as the oil is used because the additive "package" goes away through shearing and other factors, leaving you with a less effective oil. A 20w-50 may wind up as a 20w-40. Using group four (4) pao synthetic oil does away with this problem since they don't have an additive package. This is one reason they have longer change intervals. Be sure its a group four synthetic. Other groups may be just a more refined regular oil with less sulfer in it. Interesting but not really germane for most of us. As Randal says, good pressure, enjoy the drive! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , "Angelo Graham" Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - oil pressure adjustment Date: Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:00 pm ---- Angelo Graham wrote: > My '2 had the early filter head with the partial full-flow feature. Not "full flow" at all, it was a bypass type filter, designed to take wool felt filter cartridges that wouldn't flow enough oil to feed the engine. So the engine was fed with oil direct from the pump, and the filtered oil was returned to the crankcase (to be sucked up the next time). That sounds really bad, until you consider that many successful engines (eg the Model T and VW bug) had no oil filters at all! > My engine seems to be > running a high oil pressure - around 50 lbs. at idle and going up to > around 70 - 80 lbs. revving or under load. I feel this is a bit high That is perfectly normal, I would leave the adjustment alone! Practical Hints calls for 70 psi minimum with hot oil and traveling at speed. If you would like to see only 70 psi instead of 70 to 80; try using thinner oil. Assuming you are still seeing 80 with the oil thoroughly warmed up; without a thermostat it takes much longer for the oil to get up to normal operating temperature than shown on the dash gauge. A fresh engine shouldn't need 20W50 unless you routinely drive in desert conditions. Again Practical Hints only recommends up to 40 weight. (Note that the 20W portion of your oil's rating refers to its "winter" performance, below freezing. At operating temperature, it's a 50 weight oil.) > Do you try to get the adjustment at idle and that should set it for the > entire range? NO! The pressure relief valve should only start to open at 70 psi. In the vast majority of cases, it will not be open at all at idle. And even once it starts to open, it operates over a range, so the pressure will still not be entirely constant. > I have a freshly rebuilt engine with no apparent problems and using 20 - > 50 oil. Stop worrying, get in and drive! Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 16:07:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09E742AC2 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (unknown [216.109.115.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B844340548 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 22:02:19 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.147] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 22:02:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 22:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 49686 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2013 22:02:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375480938; bh=PEY0cXujUGJDPI0qj/O53XRU0HtP6DKbB+IGXU8vGU4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YQ6BLzZLnLocaDy+F/2DudYBluO44qCOi25UhObrnNgE7QlikUs8BrshPgJyh4vc1K8bt6KMUtZpCmymWfgsT2U+UHNqJV2hESzUVJJqDzMqEObwbdSstdr6u0h+jMST7IbziH06T2CI2P1ZbP4QvvEM03xVDCAhuyf99FbNFp4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4+AxYU2FA2jQdSpJpaRPgxpec65ZcN0ZuoW8xz+jfepxu6UH0hmcxOoOVbalm0T5vJrkaYjZ1EFnBimSaUG3vDzes3U1WmDjFoUsKo8FUOXi/kgB4TfOeMWcI4SuigNWrxHIpqZ4CAInnba+2Fv99vo6Lk2owUnOfLeHznxvrUI=; Wf0ebW7jEyAOFmcAerkHsllDnyFZOCRBT7DENl2048iovl5agJ30BI0aq8Mz gdkahsRdYEVKSUfWAP5MzkRxNH3Qavy_CgmyufZKFFsWLXKGhIsFyQQ60r_O xqDPhbhbckQnue1Bub4dx3ohAihkr4rFNS4tXdhk66ZBnuzzoX9TmOQcYO0k OEQFYaFqSMggxLjfHp1OJNCEfpf2rX3q_GKA8EqOV4dXp9ed3aZ_TAXGsdtC kF7P_BtXRnAlOrSQxOwc7lXo91hcFWvOzMRTWXRjyBjHNZoNC7jE5xXy5Jro Lg9djhZz_0of3GKnhV3yxjDAaXE3OCP9GMR5xWF91Fg0rpFHDTYJ_E5.d4YC YRuff9neZBVfkPXULtpdtNVR3aca0o2Qm4AdkTnHzwNfLJjuJNIaZJBjH2G. .53HOf7bBYrFa6rM77fEgm1kGdbmJFbc.fANhGJbIG6FdMx.35NxkYA6_yh1 1mjMxMt_0JzBhTRSTr5oLlM63NRTiym.6x6ek5xzlXi3JGQ3EhCvA3imb5mL 7IzCZnjtK8TqSlMj4GvM4ZvpGnAIvYaWso90VhY1o2orFnblkN2kqovNmTaE sQCgU6bnmJq0VFg5my8hIn1UVEc0- Received: from [108.240.209.112] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:02:18 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBJIGFtIGNhc3VhbGx5IGNvbnNpZGVyaW5nIGJ1eWluZyBhIFRyaXVtcGggUmVub3duLiBBbnlvbmUgb24gdGhlIGxpc3QgYWxyZWFkeSBoYXZlIGV4cGVyaWVuY2Ugd2l0aCBvbmU_IEkga25vdyB0aGF0IHRoZXkgYXJlIHNsb3cuIFRoaXMgb25lIGhhcyBiZWVuIHNpdHRpbmcsIGJ1dCBpcyBjb21wbGV0ZSBhbmQgd2FzICJydW5uaW5nIHdoZW4gcGFya2VkIi4gVGhlIHdvb2QgJiBsZWF0aGVyIGFyZSBnb29kIGFuZCB0aGVyZSBpcyBubyBhcHByZWNpYWJsZSBydXN0LiBCb2R5d29yayBpcyBleGMBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Triumph Renown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am casually considering buying a Triumph Renown. Anyone on the list already have experience with one? I know that they are slow. This one has been sitting, but is complete and was "running when parked". The wood & leather are good and there is no appreciable rust. Bodywork is excellent. The engine was rebuilt about 3,000 miles ago (before parking it 10 years ago...) and has the receipts. The car is not running and driving and hasn't been started in years. RHD. It looks like it has a Standard Vanguard engine and 3 on the tree shifting. I was wondering about modifying the engine closer to tr3 specs and maybe installing an OD on the trans. Has anyone tried this? Some came with OD, but I don't think that this one does. It looks like the Triumph Razoredge Owners Club (http://www.trocltd.com) won't sell re-manufactured parts to North America for fear of litigation. That is a bit of a concern. This is essentially a restored car that needs re-commissioning. Any other Renown owners on the list? Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 08:11:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCBA42B6D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298B4051D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Dsv1m0021YDfWL5BEAozH; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:10:48 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8EAo1m0052ymm843gEAoir; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 14:10:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:10:48 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1375539048; bh=ybC1LdRLytcBMhya/Fp0B4WacCAmf6EJ2Is7wj/9BUU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XFiiKxk0HgyHll8HmoZIC3Av7KNKbmiIxki9WbOhj+aj/v7YDgJ0NGT7CF0XyK86H GkN3jh/8gvQ3tGldhZZMORDfQiAvGrIfQxcmRGgcqHU0bBmprYg0NnBvPBQW/SlW05 jIrhm80KBjkKD6r6Xt5GKFLRSHqkRcdVNs/+ew+8wsSTv8x0PwBkJbVFKoSAP5EddD eTLpBsbbuYst2n0qGOzRdqzK/B31vb8V2pVF/wDDbdEQZqiyJCVeIV6OjAObTp2vpb C9gY2Y0zGXjraPhRVSfrvJyFaRXcV2XghS3diu9qqv3P4Bi0/YxmE+pwsDhZuVd7sZ GTHiAM7wmVIlg== Subject: [TR] A type overdrive shim and spring binding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, While we're on the subject, TRF lists a "washer, spring packing, to increase pressure", Triumph part no. 513900, in their blue TR6 catalog. It measures .130" thickness. The same catalog list two pressure springs, one for early TR6, the other for gearboxes after CD15651. Any idea what that was about? Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 08:26:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7752E42B9C for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0944042C for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 51D0B70040A8D; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 19E3EE000082; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT) References: <309128360.2052004.1375539048031.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: fogbro1@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-vd007.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.124) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:25:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375539929; bh=swA0Mu+b+2hw355kmZ5hfbSgFTVpWnHWiFPVhCeXwkY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WMNPJ9WKpNVRakuSrDGOK6STvk+XxW9En7N2r5emK+c0/IZH06TJ/MJeSt3Xzs4I0 njjBeXsSAF8KpHg6zkYI6yNvY5Kgbgk9JygT6W67LGkrpaudZWuV80yLIBxHPKoP9o RhHNVjCo8h8VV1HmrZUd9AqSHbfarTIO4sSWYbT4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c51fd12d928ab Subject: Re: [TR] A type overdrive shim and spring binding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is for the A-type. The spring serves two purposes. The first is to store energy to engage the overdrive when the solenoid is energized. The other is to set the pressure relief valve pressure. As the pump pumps oil into the reservoir the piston moves out compressing the spring. When the spring compresses enough the piston moves far enough to expose ports that will dump excess oil back into the sump. Using a stiffer spring means more pressure is required to expose the ports and system pressure will be higher. Fitting shims (washers) behind the spring will do the same thing. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 List, While we're on the subject, TRF lists a "washer, spring packing, to increase pressure", Triumph part no. 513900, in their blue TR6 catalog. It measures .130" thickness. The same catalog list two pressure springs, one for early TR6, the other for gearboxes after CD15651. Any idea what that was about? Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 09:13:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE8542BAD for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C052542704 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Evc1m0041GhbT858F9FrB; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:09:15 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8F9F1m01D2ymm843TF9FFg; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:09:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:09:15 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Dave Massey s=q20121106; t=1375542555; bh=Lm/azQnikdolnrodVw+dhyn77aIFZFXlP7nG1lPb74U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=NK9CvPKmRXcDPSvs0gpB7k6uKhIPjEoziWw8e8hFp8gSzASREz9SYE5k0jenkqkBr Auqc/GfR9kSDYGDRM/tK7qn18byjx8vH/iHx3LjRir5YMh/ZviaVOeZxfDjCwBIK+W sLm1LQr5opSMTeWHK7oiuRRgCNy/mk4qjiq5eDNA1ckPs4cr4FzF6f8hff26WAZENT /sR8xN3JMh3eeBOezJi69m3eWO2AO1yUvgkOKn8LFhKZS+009z+Ped9b+JHhUsnyxa YGvNaM6ZqPt/nNc3R+xyljy9/LzdTm/5MCbmYqI6mzMWxwVZXGx7dsDuWQLkA8oT8w NSufixCKJ9IKw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] A type overdrive shim and spring binding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My point being that at least .130" of shimming is O.K. for the small spring accumulator used on the TR6. At least, the factory said it was. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Massey" To: fogbro1@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:25:29 AM Subject: Re: [TR] A type overdrive shim and spring binding This is for the A-type.B The spring serves two purposes.B The first is to store energy to engage the overdrive when the solenoid is energized.B The other is to set the pressure relief valve pressure.B As the pump pumps oil into the reservoir the piston moves out compressing the spring.B When the spring compresses enough the piston moves far enough to expose ports that will dump excess oil back into the sump.B Using a stiffer spring means more pressure is required to expose the ports and system pressure will be higher.B Fitting shims (washers) behind the spring will do the same thing. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 List, While we're on the subject, TRF lists a "washer, spring packing, to increase pressure", Triumph part no. 513900, in their blue TR6 catalog. It measures .130" thickness. The same catalog list two pressure springs, one for early TR6, the other for gearboxes after CD15651. Any idea what that was about? Ed Woods Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 List, While we're on the subject, TRF lists a "washer, spring packing, to increase pressure", Triumph part no. 513900, in their blue TR6 catalog. It measures .130" thickness. The same catalog list two pressure springs, one for early TR6, the other for gearboxes after CD15651. Any idea what that was about? Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 09:14:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCCB42BC8 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7F140452 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8DMl1m0021wpRvQ5CFB8im; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:11:08 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8FB81m00Q2ymm843eFB8dE; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:11:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:11:08 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Dave Massey s=q20121106; t=1375542668; bh=UImim771azikBHUmEBCWGak+dmNWb62KlcrqKqREXoM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b0HZxZ+369kLbzCEamQooi5y2k8a2pc7TG5WkIwCiFpGNxfAnf6xfH5eTwznT82Lr +jYCcsQJojiQp7wU2Thlh6MQ+AfR194TmlEueZL4ZCzBqHv3c27LYchv2iqtrtYFEO mS4BlVBP9Nvoy+wOG2pMjgUMbBYopzzUcjzauhKpTAxjn/1tJqJtfLTQLE93axb8kP +zsrBO0km2rAmDdZX0A/fOFwxhqYj9PjT+egBnDgYy5yiue/IPbAaWxbN2O+D6GXbb aNTRsbzse3pRr/ABgldqJXCxJTNwu2QnNJEYSqzVCG5A1eZcF4PvKkfadJJeWpwGb+ HasBkLQs5aNfw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] A type overdrive shim and spring binding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, My point being that at least .130" of shimming is O.K. for the small spring accumulator used on the TR6. At least, the factory said it was. B Ed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 09:58:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C9E40451 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8834043C for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:57:49 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=pdyP-HTn1BwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=F87Dxoj52p4A:10 a=9O-ICmk-FAMTRsx02gMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0D/1B-14128-C782DF15; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:57:49 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:58:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6QXDH38EI32udtTlWUGTv4nQjyUwAA1wnQ Subject: Re: [TR] A type overdrive shim and spring binding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My point being that at least .130" of shimming is O.K. for > the small spring accumulator used on the TR6. At least, the > factory said it was. Makes sense to me. I haven't tried to measure, but the main spring for the small accumulator looks to have a lot more travel than the large accumulator one does. The spring has to exert a lot more force with the large accumulator, and is wound with correspondingly heavier wire, leaving less room between the coils. And I think .130" of shim is OK even for the large accumulator. But for sure I am going to double-check, next time I start installing shims. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 19:04:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18C140555 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060A240431 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.64.79]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8Qvq1m00G1ibmjJ01QvrVl; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 17:55:54 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 20:56:01 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6QrR5KEo8XxZ8ITNeOMEpOU3O1ww== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 fuel sender unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I have three sender units, none of which appear to work. Any genius out there prepared to take a look and perhaps get one or two of these units operational for my latest restorations? If so, please contact me off-list. Many thanks ! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 19:35:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24FE40562 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014AE403CF for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:09:40 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=9oQRsHxnPlIA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=nFXmFfxu7asA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=JJNIDTutcd466Ki3X7QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=sv409ys0f-RtiGxYcu4A:9 a=_yPdmIhio5NgKP-J:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50087] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 70/2D-22264-3D9ADF15; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 21:09:39 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 21:14:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] Recovering TR4A black vinyl center console Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, So, I am getting down to the final tasks on my 1967 TR4A IRS and after digging out my center console piece where the gear shift comes up thru it looks pretty bad. The driver side is cracked where it has been rubbed by the driver's leg and overall it looks pretty bad. I know that TRF and Moss sells some recovering pieces that are similar to what is used in the TR4A but not a direct replacement as the opening for the transmission is flat on the replacement and the TR4A it is kind of an inverted cone. I have taken the piece to a couple of local automotive upholsterers but neither one was willing to take it on. I had considered trying it myself and haven't actually ruled that out yet which is why I am sending this email out to the group. Does anybody have any experience recovering a TR4A console? Thanks! Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 20:34:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93704069D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 20:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC4240432 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 20:34:02 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=SteE8K3FOPkA:10 a=C0-GJuq__bTOBaZPU1QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=K6VFM-so-q0A:10 a=gBk_k7L_P-QA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=tFc0Iz-oMzsGYiifAjkA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:58371] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2D/D6-15971-89DBDF15; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 02:34:01 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:33:53 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6Quw9Xt/x+lHgCToy4lNT0u6kCMg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Engine Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Folks, my block developed a crack in the block in the rear by the oil galley. I opened the radiator cap and found the ugly milky chocolate goo. So. I'm in need of a block. Does anyone have one they're willing to sell? I looked on eBay, and there's a few there, but they want $325 plus $200 in transport charges. I'm in San Diego and will travel anywhere in So Cal to pick it up. Thanks Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 21:04:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E451406A5 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 21:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A3540425 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 20:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.64.79]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8Sxg1m00V1ibmjJ01SxhP0; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 19:57:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:57:50 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJ68TfGeiHfUfgkUSchRkm2MBpe+ZgrmVdA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Recovering TR4A black vinyl center console Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may want to call Larry Learns in Indiana, Pennsylvania. I have had him do various upholstery jobs for me and he is amazing. He can be reached at (724) 465-8661. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:15 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Recovering TR4A black vinyl center console List, So, I am getting down to the final tasks on my 1967 TR4A IRS and after digging out my center console piece where the gear shift comes up thru it looks pretty bad. The driver side is cracked where it has been rubbed by the driver's leg and overall it looks pretty bad. I know that TRF and Moss sells some recovering pieces that are similar to what is used in the TR4A but not a direct replacement as the opening for the transmission is flat on the replacement and the TR4A it is kind of an inverted cone. I have taken the piece to a couple of local automotive upholsterers but neither one was willing to take it on. I had considered trying it myself and haven't actually ruled that out yet which is why I am sending this email out to the group. Does anybody have any experience recovering a TR4A console? Thanks! Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 06:36:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467FC40454 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 06:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39CD40404 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 06:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MR0006JHAZXDA60@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 07:36:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "Triumph Mail List" Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 08:35:56 -0400 Thread-index: Ac6RDqaqNyW7jQ42Ru6COUcV63fMoQ== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Could someone remind me of the function of the amp gauge? Mine stays on whenever the key is on. ISTR that it should only be on when the system is either charging or discharging but not sure. If mine is not functioning correctly - what is the likely reason? Do I have the wires attached to the wrong terminal? I know I could just try it, but would rather not play 'what if'. Thanks Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 07:56:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2E240521 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 07:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fep17.mx.upcmail.net (fep17.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B0C40409 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 07:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edge01.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.236]) by viefep17-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20130804135108.PIWX8072.viefep17-int.chello.at@edge01.upcmail.net> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:51:08 +0200 Received: from JaapPC ([178.84.18.175]) by edge01.upcmail.net with edge id 8dr81m00e3meCoq01dr8cP; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 15:51:08 +0200 From: "Jaap Dekker" To: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:51:05 +0200 Subject: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Listers, As a faithful lurker living in Holland this list has taught me many things about Triumph Trbs of which I have put some to good use. I have started to take the head off the engine of my Tr3 in order to have the valve guides replaced, as the oil consumption has become rather high. Itbs a TR4 high port engine. As I am not an experienced mechanic this is a major job for me and I feel somewhat unsure. I removed the manifolds and everything else what is in the way and have taken off the rocker assembly. I thought I was well prepared and had done my homework, but I ran into this problem right away. I got a fright when I lifted a pushrod out and it would only go back down again partly. The same with the second pushrod. Am I missing something? Regards, Jaap Dekker. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 08:28:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C9D40531 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4403C403E6 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:27:56 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:27:52 -0500 References: To: "Jaap Dekker" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jaap, The vertical travel of the pushrods is determined by the position of its lobe on the camshaft. Each rod "stands" inside of a tappet, which rests on the camshaft. As the camshaft rotates, driven by the timing chain from the crankshaft, the tappet/rod unit move up and down. My guess for the difference is that: 1. Maybe you rotated the camshaft since you removed the rods, and it is in the high position now 2. The tappet is still in the hole, and is maybe "stuck" in a higher position, resisting the rod Best of luck. On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Jaap Dekker wrote: > Hello Listers, > > As a faithful lurker living in Holland this list has taught me many things > about Triumph Trbs of which I have put some to good use. > I have started to take the head off the engine of my Tr3 in order to have the > valve guides replaced, as the oil consumption has become rather high. Itbs a > TR4 high port engine. > As I am not an experienced mechanic this is a major job for me and I feel > somewhat unsure. I removed the manifolds and everything else what is in the > way and have taken off the rocker assembly. > I thought I was well prepared and had done my homework, but I ran into this > problem right away. > I got a fright when I lifted a pushrod out and it would only go back down > again partly. > The same with the second pushrod. Am I missing something? > > Regards, > Jaap Dekker. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 08:41:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D6D40454 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from roproxy2-pub.unifiedlayer.com (roproxy2-pub.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 169C1403F7 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29600 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2013 14:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy2.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.71) by roproxy2.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 14:34:51 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 173.0.4.82 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.84); Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:34:51 GMT Received: from [173.0.4.82] (port=50318 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V5zOV-0005tB-8h; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 08:34:51 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 09:34:47 -0500 To: "Jaap Dekker" , From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.0.4.82 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Probably when you are pulling the pushrod out, it's still "stuck" to the lifter / tappet and has pulled the tappet out of its bore. Since you're taking off the head, that's not a big deal - if you weren't removing the head, they are a pain to get back in their bores. The oil in the tappet creates some "suction" between the pushrod and the tappet. You can try twirling the pushrod or pulling it up only about a half inch (a centimeter) and then pushing back down until it feels free of the tappet - it should pull out quite easily then. You'll do fine - we'll be happy to help walk you through the process. Cheers, Tony Drews At 08:51 AM 8/4/2013, Jaap Dekker wrote: >Hello Listers, > >As a faithful lurker living in Holland this list has taught me many things >about Triumph Trbs of which I have put some to good use. >I have started to take the head off the engine of my Tr3 in order to have the >valve guides replaced, as the oil consumption has become rather high. Itbs a >TR4 high port engine. >As I am not an experienced mechanic this is a major job for me and I feel >somewhat unsure. I removed the manifolds and everything else what is in the >way and have taken off the rocker assembly. >I thought I was well prepared and had done my homework, but I ran into this >problem right away. >I got a fright when I lifted a pushrod out and it would only go back down >again partly. >The same with the second pushrod. Am I missing something? > >Regards, >Jaap Dekker. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 08:42:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58DB4290D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106D5403FB for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B2A63700ADA90 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B6906E000083 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:37:36 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d180.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:37:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:37:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375627056; bh=K9gaId4+lllk+/qoqrQrW4fByv3Ecj+cXgzgwKy6HK0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qGpeDePKp5SLLBLfek2SFue6cR2kOR3Dlouu9tGuahNwXqVdFA9wB9szgBwqRB9I5 MPyqcG2gfSAfYGI2GUE2zaUO6HilUlVBvYF+btZIHjz0qZJszU6xz+aFIpGDsqMNuy gCW1UaY0YrftoiY0Xwqx3U5bWzzPKZZqRtEx8x/0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51fe67302864 Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had this happen once. The problem is the oil on the lifter/pushrod interface will create enough suction to lift lift the lifter along with the pushrod to the point where the lifter comes out of its hole in the block. If you get lucky you can manipulate the lifter and get it to fall back into the hole. But since you are going to pull the head anyway you can address the issue directly at that time so don't worry about it. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Dekker Hello Listers, As a faithful lurker living in Holland this list has taught me many things about Triumph Trbs of which I have put some to good use. I have started to take the head off the engine of my Tr3 in order to have the valve guides replaced, as the oil consumption has become rather high. Itbs a TR4 high port engine. As I am not an experienced mechanic this is a major job for me and I feel somewhat unsure. I removed the manifolds and everything else what is in the way and have taken off the rocker assembly. I thought I was well prepared and had done my homework, but I ran into this problem right away. I got a fright when I lifted a pushrod out and it would only go back down again partly. The same with the second pushrod. Am I missing something? Regards, Jaap Dekker. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 08:44:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AAC40540 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887A2403FB for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B36E7700000B4 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3DEE1E000081 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) References: <000c01ce910f$2af63ac0$80e2b040$@verizon.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d180.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:43:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375627436; bh=K4HXKmzDeTvis8lc/pMvmD3ZTg2MwM5Bcdp+OW1fcak=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gdk70HndBqzS6wRkm1qg4WEOlm+Gs+ayE08OA1RGGWwiShg8U0XpEuHFQHuW8PhHp G1od2BJOL3tJQzhkEDXPsJZVv2421VNJe9bYSqHi3qa2+QQLQZkjs6cyj7B08U7vJr iVwsalKOaD09awNLazDTwK83faDV15iVc/8nAFHQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d51fe68ac597f Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Stays on what? The gauge should stay at the center of the dial unless the battery is being either charged or discharged. If it is staying in the discharged mode can you effect the reading by switching on the lights? Is the wiring stock or has it been "modified?" Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR Could someone remind me of the function of the amp gauge? Mine stays on whenever the key is on. ISTR that it should only be on when the system is either charging or discharging but not sure. If mine is not functioning correctly - what is the likely reason? Do I have the wires attached to the wrong terminal? I know I could just try it, but would rather not play 'what if'. Thanks Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 08:55:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5597440067 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845854043F for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 08:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.6] helo=mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V5zbI-0002lQ-CM for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:48:04 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V5zbG-0003N2-H0; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:48:02 -0400 Received: from webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.4]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 8eo11m01v05FYhm01eo2Y1; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:48:02 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=rm8dROgXiTEA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JTIkvNVEVwYFESvxPDcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=YjmNDDI+0hkeRrrZ2pZTjw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V5zb1-0003Ed-Me; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:47:47 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:47:47 -0400 References: <000c01ce910f$2af63ac0$80e2b040$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:47:47 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure what you refer to as "on" but it sounds as if you gauge is working correctly. When the key is turned on, the ignition coil and any accessories left on wil register as a discharge because power is only provided by the battery. After the engine has started, the generator will supply the power and any excess curent will recharge the battery and show as a charge on the amp gauge. When the battery is sufficiently charged, the amp gauge will be near zero. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Could someone remind me of the function of the amp gauge? Mine stays on > whenever the key is on. ISTR that it should only be on when the system is > either charging or discharging but not sure. If mine is not functioning > correctly - what is the likely reason? Do I have the wires attached to > the > wrong terminal? I know I could just try it, but would rather not play > 'what > if'. > > > > Thanks > > > > Carl > > 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 09:09:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1C440531 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEE0403E9 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MR000F10I3UIH30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:09:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" References: <000c01ce910f$2af63ac0$80e2b040$@verizon.net> <6509d15d4ef629836a4f74fcd0d1d27d.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:09:22 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQFKRS2dSw1KCy+jp7aEp6tUawzWAgHztDScmn4gVQA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm sorry - it was too early this morning.... What I mean is that the indicator light stays on. The battery is fully charged. With the car running and nothing causing a discharge, the light stays on and the amp gauge is at 0. Carl -----Original Message----- From: greg@gelhar.com [mailto:greg@gelhar.com] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:48 AM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge I'm not sure what you refer to as "on" but it sounds as if you gauge is working correctly. When the key is turned on, the ignition coil and any accessories left on wil register as a discharge because power is only provided by the battery. After the engine has started, the generator will supply the power and any excess curent will recharge the battery and show as a charge on the amp gauge. When the battery is sufficiently charged, the amp gauge will be near zero. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Could someone remind me of the function of the amp gauge /indicator light/? Mine stays > on whenever the key is on. ISTR that it should only be on when the system is > either charging or discharging but not sure. If mine is not functioning > correctly - what is the likely reason? Do I have the wires attached > to the wrong terminal? I know I could just try it, but would rather > not play 'what if'. > > > > Thanks > > > > Carl > > 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 09:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50EA40E1A for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA1F40042 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan14.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.14] helo=mailscan14.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V5zyV-0008Uc-4b for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:12:03 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan14.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V5zyU-0001AD-Ba; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:12:02 -0400 Received: from webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.4]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 8fC21m00605FYhm01fC2d5; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:12:02 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=rm8dROgXiTEA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=T4TC75RZuaJ-sKmG8xsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=YjmNDDI+0hkeRrrZ2pZTjw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1V5zyQ-00043H-MK; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:11:58 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 11:11:58 -0400 References: <000c01ce910f$2af63ac0$80e2b040$@verizon.net> <6509d15d4ef629836a4f74fcd0d1d27d.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> <002d01ce9124$9a5401d0$cefc0570$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 11:11:58 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: ''Triumphs'' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Generator or altenator? > I'm sorry - it was too early this morning.... > > What I mean is that the indicator light stays on. The battery is fully > charged. With the car running and nothing causing a discharge, the light > stays on and the amp gauge is at 0. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: greg@gelhar.com [mailto:greg@gelhar.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:48 AM > To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net > Cc: Triumph Mail List > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge > > I'm not sure what you refer to as "on" but it sounds as if you gauge is > working correctly. When the key is turned on, the ignition coil and any > accessories left on wil register as a discharge because power is only > provided by the battery. After the engine has started, the generator will > supply the power and any excess curent will recharge the battery and show > as > a charge on the amp gauge. When the battery is sufficiently charged, the > amp > gauge will be near zero. > > Greg G. > Osseo, MN > > >> Could someone remind me of the function of the amp gauge /indicator > light/? Mine stays >> on whenever the key is on. ISTR that it should only be on when the >> system > is >> either charging or discharging but not sure. If mine is not >> functioning >> correctly - what is the likely reason? Do I have the wires attached >> to the wrong terminal? I know I could just try it, but would rather >> not play 'what if'. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Carl >> >> 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO >> >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ >> >> Tampa, FL >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 10:32:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253CE40536 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92B040445 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:31:39 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=rm8dROgXiTEA:10 a=ArVzt8QrAAAA:20 a=IHjOKmTydkS6bYLNSSoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55010] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D1/EA-15971-AE18EF15; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 16:31:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:31:38 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFKRS2dSw1KCy+jp7aEp6tUawzWAgHztDScmn4gVQCAABKLgA== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Amp Gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > What I mean is that the indicator light stays on. The > battery is fully > charged. With the car running and nothing causing a > discharge, the light > stays on and the amp gauge is at 0. The light should go off with the engine running at a fast idle (or above). Sometimes it will glow at a low idle. Most likely cause depends a lot on recent history. But certainly doing a visual on the wiring at the control box & generator is a good start. The wires at the generator end lead a hard life, and it's not unheard-of for them to just break. The wire from the large terminal on the generator should lead to 'D' on the control box, and the small terminal connects to 'F'. While you're there, grab the generator and try to move it on its mounts. Should be completely solid, any movement at all indicates a problem (usually with the lower front mount). There is a Lucas booklet at http://tinyurl.com/bab2hsc with methodical tests. If you've been working under the dash recently and think the lamp might be wired wrong, a simple test is to disconnect the small yellow wire at the 'D' terminal of the control box (or just both D wires if that is easier) with the engine stopped. The dash lamp should now stay out, with the key on or off. If so, the wiring to the lamp is probably OK (since it was on before). If the generator has been off (or replaced), it's worthwhile IMO to try repolarizing it. Lots of ways to accomplish that, but since you have the later control box with the quick connects, it's probably easiest to pull the wire off 'F' and brush it against terminal 'A'. You should get some small sparks. Then connect the wire back to 'F' and try it again. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 10:44:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52CB40545 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B82E40445 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:42:26 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=sbeXkZvV-o8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=VflJZnV-_kQA:10 a=v_lXz3HS9dqqmMaH_IAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/C6-14128-F648EF15; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 16:42:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:42:23 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6RINDlD03zUyfoS9GZlWkchwe4AAAD9Lwg Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I had this happen once. The problem is the oil on the > lifter/pushrod interface will create enough suction to lift > lift the lifter along with the pushrod to the point where the > lifter comes out of its hole in the block. Ditto; except I've had at least one try to do that, every time I've taken the pushrods out. My solution is to list just an inch or so then spin the pushrod back and forth a few times with my fingers, until the weight of the lifter drops off. As noted, if you are pulling the head anyway, it's much easier to put the lifters back with the head off. Putting them back with the head in place is like trying to thread a needle in the dark. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 12:17:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD0C40559 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fep12.mx.upcmail.net (fep12.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3591E4043D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20130804181634.WVJU10407.viefep12-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:16:34 +0200 Received: from JaapPC ([178.84.18.175]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id 8iGa1m00g3meCoq02iGa3Q; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:16:34 +0200 From: "Jaap Dekker" To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:16:31 +0200 Subject: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who has replied to my question, I am reassured I can resolve this issue. It is great to have the back-up of this list. Regards, Jaap. Ditto; except I've had at least one try to do that, every time I've taken the pushrods out. My solution is to list just an inch or so then spin the pushrod back and forth a few times with my fingers, until the weight of the lifter drops off. As noted, if you are pulling the head anyway, it's much easier to put the lifters back with the head off. Putting them back with the head in place is like trying to thread a needle in the dark. -- Randall ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 280 **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 13:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CD0403F7 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5CA403A7 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 492E570000098 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8BDBAE00029D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:57:17 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375642638; bh=erQ1ZqzgwDtf3VGnxIxvOLvmfY9c2WsPa3kCbdrNnwE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Yql84QD6JNB9ypMpypkqbTI280x4/NYkO51BjIeU+tB5ZTgCZD+YPqBPEdAScTgXx vDI3jnmujdWlFx5O53Lacdn8ahg/5MSvqlBcMelA+LLYxeou4WkPUarnKce2I4mBzY 7rwnxYzxsuR7q6f/DkzXq2Dy6UUsoN0EBYdY/u2g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c451fea40d4e47 Subject: [TR] The Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival. Featuring the Kastner Cup. 6-8 September Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Triumph List: If you are planning to join us at Road America in September, we have a Triumph Package Deal for you. If you are interested, please contact me. We are also looking for some nicely prepared TRs. Most slots are fill for the Gather on the Green car show, but we need a few more. Package deal includes Gate, Dinner on Friday Nite, and more. Your "crew" assignment will be with the TR250K. We have race car garages rented at Turn 14 and Paddock Parking for street Triumphs will be at Turn 5. Event Poster is available and Kas will be there to sign it. Joe Alexander Friends Of Triumph N197tr4@cs.com P.S. This is the biggest Kastner Cup we have ever had and there are activities for everyone. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 14:33:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389A140566 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from roproxy2-pub.unifiedlayer.com (roproxy2-pub.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E223403F7 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20266 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2013 20:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy2.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.71) by roproxy2.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 20:31:57 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 173.0.4.82 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.84); Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:31:57 GMT Received: from [173.0.4.82] (port=51903 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V64y5-0001Tw-78; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:31:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 15:31:53 -0500 To: "Randall" , From: Tony Drews References: <8D05F374C2D46E0-1DC0-B161@webmail-d180.sysops.aol.com> <62.C6.14128.F648EF15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.0.4.82 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One other tip I just remembered - someone besides me came up with this one, but I like it. Use a long piece of stiff wire (like a coat hanger straightened out), shove it down the hole parallel to the pushrod and use it to hold the lifter in place while you pull out the pushrod. Tony Drews At 11:42 AM 8/4/2013, Randall wrote: > > I had this happen once. The problem is the oil on the > > lifter/pushrod interface will create enough suction to lift > > lift the lifter along with the pushrod to the point where the > > lifter comes out of its hole in the block. > >Ditto; except I've had at least one try to do that, every time I've taken >the pushrods out. My solution is to list just an inch or so then spin the >pushrod back and forth a few times with my fingers, until the weight of the >lifter drops off. > >As noted, if you are pulling the head anyway, it's much easier to put the >lifters back with the head off. Putting them back with the head in place is >like trying to thread a needle in the dark. > >-- Randall > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 15:03:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BE140569 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BA0403F7 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id h10so2135685vbh.6 for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:01:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=K1VqRgFv8kMsiUEfL4U6WgyljG07u3njheaUhPnzRAE=; b=XarkOaZpX7yQvI5SUfcXrdQMp418UBjnNgPKXmgGSmJD1P4BP1PbG47JtBkwxTFfS2 WJ+nRALQN+viWSgx/FaJms13c12FUKEzzUyNaik8X4O+8O479aWQbgjak2GDVkcdUx+b O8GyOv8Od5fS/BrP3Cq4kEgF9hHIPumX4vXNNVOY+kFaQUmvvu8bJyH/SpLHcXXSxl8m xclDRVsZQ+0Fp94ybYNzQptH5tqljIMJGEvKGABzC7x/YlW3RKabxH89Hm501uizEILY NSp5IAkSBuez/BRVFpIcF4Bdhe3aMk4987FSabn/IHB28tRhm8YKw9hX1GIarUMt9yNX 5ECQ== v7mr4802247vce.63.1375650076732; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:01:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <000f01ce90ad$65bd9bb0$3138d310$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:01:16 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel sender unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew -- In case you haven't been able to get any of yours sorted, I have a 'universal' sender that might suit. I have no idea what the ohm range is (though I could check it) nor what range would be needed for the TR3 (though I could look it up). http://tinyurl.com/lt4xhpg It's yours for the postage if you need it - though we should check some numbers beforehand. Geo On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > List: I have three sender units, none of which appear to work. Any genius > out there prepared to take a look and perhaps get one or two of these units > operational for my latest restorations? If so, please contact me off-list. > Many thanks ! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 15:07:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44540043 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail15c26.carrierzone.com (mail15c26.carrierzone.com [66.175.40.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF54440043 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:07:02 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1375650421; bh=YnGC+IGj76baoGhHIVXEj9vFpt2vR8xnosXUzPJHW80=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gHx93osI/YefnIB45yIybp+lpB0EUCId1WFdOJP695z6opBBB+kapTiQHN21ATmyK AxcfdXlVZhKkiUU34YaPh9UoNgWkMZ6Tr4k9tjbLOFi9zLtQkX8zmHl6A4gsBS9V1n 5f0i+BUde+J9bA8aJOnsyBT1JNqhxndmXrVYUOmc= Received: from kentechadmn (pool-71-254-101-21.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net [71.254.101.21]) by mail15c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id r74L6tgM003667 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:06:58 GMT From: "Peter K" To: "Triumph List" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:18:00 -0400 a=B6uh5cBNaxoA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=mNYcHymEupW0pgiKFHySpA==:17 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=VQzY_sOPrsld3VzFjWgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=UW4-zM0222S5rdpT1SsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=UhPNpjHlfg_AsYTM:21 a=mNYcHymEupW0pgiKFHySpA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [TR] Recovering TR4A black vinyl center console Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had this problem too and at the time Moss wouldnbt recognize that their cover didnbt fit all TRs. My solution was to use a large sanding drum in the drill press and widen out the hole to reduce the lip around the opening. It still fit a little too high on the center brace but fit much better and I didnbt want to hog out a good console support. hth. PeterK From: "Dave Connitt" To: Subject: [TR] Recovering TR4A black vinyl center console List, So, I am getting down to the final tasks on my 1967 TR4A IRS and after digging out my center console piece where the gear shift comes up thru it looks pretty bad. The driver side is cracked where it has been rubbed by the driver's leg and overall it looks pretty bad. I know that TRF and Moss sells some recovering pieces that are similar to what is used in the TR4A but not a direct replacement as the opening for the transmission is flat on the replacement and the TR4A it is kind of an inverted cone. I have taken the piece to a couple of local automotive upholsterers but neither one was willing to take it on. I had considered trying it myself and haven't actually ruled that out yet which is why I am sending this email out to the group. Does anybody have any experience recovering a TR4A console? Thanks! Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 19:25:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA85C40E19 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway15.websitewelcome.com (gateway15.websitewelcome.com [67.18.68.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DBB406A2 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 9F6A8136B1E54; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:18:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C74136B1E2D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:18:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V69RK-0005Ub-4G for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:18:26 -0500 Received: from 99.101.202.162 ([99.101.202.162]) (proxying for 99.101.202.162) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:18:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:18:26 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: [TR] An $18 TR3 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just ran across this on Craigslist: http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/3946696695.html Maybe a typo? There's one interesting quote: "The pics of the car are old and do not reflect what the car looks like now"... Lee ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 20:44:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCBA42A50 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C780D42705 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:44:20 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=wP35XMclFFr55Wno73AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZFDgK7f7TOoA:10 a=jF_UReN3z6AA:10 a=Vah6pwfmV6kA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AB/24-09254-2811FF15; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 02:44:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Lee Daniels'" , Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:44:19 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6RerWnrvwbzq2fTOizGGXZfSCVBgACp5NQ Subject: Re: [TR] An $18 TR3 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Just ran across this on Craigslist: > http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/3946696695.html > > Maybe a typo? There's one interesting quote: "The pics of the > car are old and do not reflect what the car looks like now"... The same ad has been posted all over the country, for several weeks now. Smells like a scam to me. Note that you linked to the Houston Craigslist, but the car is supposed to be in FL. It's been on the LA CL multiple times now. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 09:02:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C40940654 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (unknown [216.39.63.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB83140358 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:01:11 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:01:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 14:01:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375711271; bh=eRThYK4infvfLDWqf9nJSdljTHrTN03Agszf+B7tw00=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Thread-Index; b=fn9FskAKy07hBAxNrYCoxrmAlU55z++xldsSbrB8NHgTBhrloSzuCmeWavTACcwacCGzMEfveh3NdpTnoxKFslqJ20qtJQ8f5pNMmIM7qS98ix6Yjir9wJfv6Fckt+3+TXq3o4vXp5gqkL7HBHBpxzmv/Ik6qyzvorOOtJH2gAs= nz5il5EKmC0P8TgQzF_VruoXxuGQ_LpS63BL88Ffm.HJ8B2RwO6yg9mZAclJ .WydlqeLqxfyFflwFZt6FTF_Hrm.pVdnKW0G3mwsZokGwBUct5oayFkvf5iR caIJkzEetviO.asaTsCpcF2ZVHzgsGQv1s6vKbQLRI0xT4ozuGIvGRU8Mbn6 8k63kL0YY6kmgVvVBkBnX7cQtHaIz3QzwrtpunbzRC_Y3X0BgDo_wbD_HXl3 r._owUxHx_K6.d5wQ.AOBL5Uutmm1yqB1t4xohf9xKFdeont6QtFE8rURv0D kueMkGTNXSsv4nbTCa.IHRu_1jKDtMyupDBWyx5dCMSqFC.HSUuR10x.ZOZs xCcXXo.t4Q4VP7Kf9QcEqfyzjBkBjG7I4mpr_d9wr.J_7yaiwAw9_z8J7eou XzCBJMLtlG6rayMQVihF_YIlXXqosiap4rVEnwFgkkqW4PsZHvwABKqQKQF1 iZMDaVgtaKWvj7oDI6GxKZRTt08.6EdKxl144.C34OmvzSrU2a5b2zcums8q 1nD0ZIc6_vE18np5Nhxqm6BtBG2N5GpnhfOvgGbtNYSQSxcSEMp6uzbEeMdd BzCiLxMc6Vu8CaMCkQfJJFMAV.CYDSKyydX6CVjTn8q0JvCwTZwpPs3HhjBU _TixiuDoe1DN1E64EX7K2M0QKvxJWAQ-- smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Aug 2013 14:01:11 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Lee Daniels'" , References: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:01:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6Rerw1XOnDT0tdTkSl7X2jQpvuJQAaC2nQ Subject: Re: [TR] An $18 TR3 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Talked to the guy today, of course $18 is a error, he says it should be $18,000 but he will accept $15,000 for it. 10,000 original miles, his father bought new, sold it, bought it back. BUT he has no way to prove up the miles, no documentation from when dad owned to car and no service records Claims to have new Magic front end kit and interior from TRF installed. Front apron is fiberglass, from the pictures it does not look like a very happy car. Car is located in Jacksonville, FL. NFI, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lee Daniels Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:18 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] An $18 TR3 ? Just ran across this on Craigslist: http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/3946696695.html Maybe a typo? There's one interesting quote: "The pics of the car are old and do not reflect what the car looks like now"... Lee ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 10:49:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A039242B6D for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD1042B2A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E583FA1907 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 10:49:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: Triumphs References: Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Saw this on the mgs list. mjb. -------- Hello Friends, Please forgive the commercial nature of this post. I'm not writing to advertise a car so much as trying to help a friend who badly needs to liquidate his car. The car is a Triumph TR3. Yea, I know this is the M.G., list but this is a great car for someone - and at a bottom-dollar price. (Check Hagerty to see the value of a nicely restored car!) Sadly (or not) I already have NINE cars. Here are a few pictures; http://www.aubard.us/Pete/ ...and his listing, http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/3937042732.html Thanks guys and again, sorry for 'marketing'. Peter's a really good guy. He just needs a little help right now. -rick ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 15:58:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D132842D61 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8365A42A92 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=CNbcPUPyNWAA:10 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=QEW4u87jZHF5wem8xIgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MP4c9OAG4t4A:10 a=Xm6GMgYB3AoA:10 a=y_ait6P11aYA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:41216] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F8/42-09254-86F10025; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 21:55:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:55:52 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Seems to be the same car that is all over Craigslist, with the price listed anywhere between $18 and $150,000. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/3976688761.html It does look reasonably nice (although he admits the photos aren't current and apparently the paint is now bad), but I wonder what it's doing in Florida with just one California blue plate on it. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 16:13:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101CC42D80 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D0A42720 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9AAj1m00853lu5001AAjzX; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:10:44 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumphs" References: <20130805215552.L78E9.42554.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:09:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net he's trying to sell it. I talked to him twice. I think its worth a lot less. the current paint is pretty bad; that fiberglass nose I think really dings the value. he told me he originally put in 18k, but craigslist dropped the k. likely the 150,000 is also his ineptitude. last ad I saw was $15,000. he told me he'd keep it rather than sell it for less than $13,000. he says there are a bunch of new parts, both installed and uninstalled. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:55 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Seems to be the same car that is all over Craigslist, with the price listed anywhere between $18 and $150,000. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/3976688761.html It does look reasonably nice (although he admits the photos aren't current and apparently the paint is now bad), but I wonder what it's doing in Florida with just one California blue plate on it. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 16:44:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6239842DD0 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591DF42C7A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id h11so3472573vbh.16 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zGUtqkSJr0c8gSod2DMVT8JxDpO+OxfOYDSGg6VQShI=; b=b2Bgwom3dp9Ct+Am9qRSGm17TVtnyRqJUtvxxpH6UVzGk9VuR+qUWL+Iic099caDDE rQ11FK5cjKEap4yusrume1o+GwNfDq88LnRy2QSmPJIZOVl3ldrOTA+7Nfv+chjjW/Qx kmN+yFA7uKiy4FMfDQnGMaPyNTwlYQ5olYaj/N/Rib0HmKX+lSrtxOz7nP+u5Fr2gxWI 4Ud6ANfWaNhECwhYsd4X5wU+PY5HUtzuYuA2bUp3eI4d7gICCb+SfzRqv+3bu94+jg0M 4z3OxNPzieCyxxQcMAyhdZG4IET3CUU1PiVGENCKT7lcL9YE6Wnbwtnjh48NAzSGiaMZ 1N7A== wl2mr5412827vdb.39.1375742399861; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130805215552.L78E9.42554.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> <6173B84C37624A628A7CE0B964FAC19C@Datsun> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:39:59 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Dave wrote: > ... he told me he'd keep it rather than sell it for less than $13,000... I think he will get to keep it. BTW -- that appears to be a Florida Blue Plate (antique or collector plate). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 16:44:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC9342E1A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CE042BD3 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x16so3430105vbf.24 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:41:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+Bgs6LT9Fw7QDsu3YO5rEl8ZYCzHxEBxRC/YQFt8vpo=; b=fkqfrlyHXfivAfkC8R2IXrJhu06ycAn2kPm+SDGnisLdfs+ZmkbYk0ckGqI2uY8kFc 678vkRyTLEcvrOhhUo+f1WPF5xi9y88N2ZvXTcbhOhJj5K0mC3r1nSGnTNfa8IiegfKI qIJU7ZLjuzv1zK0T+Pvu0QTUSR+Mr2WEA3whP2xVtwuE5BSDJyfauNkeGXoJUMFbuD6T pSrcGkXrTrq4SpBOEylMgrXdML86OLbTf7PL0UAqDjmEjkUr9odrda29ck8b2JZAAi4s Pp21AMnIMaMbHT/g2fPvQNGKDbZb3uZ6zY2k6wDtMO2BMDrY1AadMB7M3sWrRSJe90Jm zLCA== p6mr6533186vcz.36.1375742515831; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:41:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <51FFD78A.4000203@bradakis.com> <20130805215552.L78E9.42554.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:41:55 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Randall wrote: > Seems to be the same car that is all over Craigslist, with the price > listed anywhere between $18 and $150,000. > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/3976688761.html Actually, that ad has an asking price of $1.5 million. Possibly a record for a TR3A. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 04:49:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD0442A57 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 04:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fep20.mx.upcmail.net (fep20.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412CA403E3 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 04:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edge03.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.238]) by viefep20-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20130806104003.NQDO6295.viefep20-int.chello.at@edge03.upcmail.net> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:40:03 +0200 Received: from JaapPC ([178.84.18.175]) by edge03.upcmail.net with edge id 9Ng21m01n3meCoq03Ng3fd; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 12:40:03 +0200 From: "Jaap Dekker" To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:40:00 +0200 Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have examined the head and although there's a lot of carbon junk in the cavities and on the valves, it looks like my problem might be something else. I took the dirtiest exhaust valve out and cleaned it with a wirebrush, it looks ok. The guides are bronze and there is little play. If the rest is like this I will put it back together and leave it like that. When I looked into the cylinder liners I found what could be the reason for the excessive oil consumption. Number three and four had deep pitting where the gudgeon? pins rest in tdc on both sides. There are also deep scars running straight down. I suspect the circlips have failed. I wiil have to dig into the bottom end now. I could use some advice on how to proceed. I expect I will have to replace all liners and pistons? There's 87 mm in there now. Would it hurt to go to 89 mm? Regards, Jaap Dekker Message: 3 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 15:31:53 -0500 From: Tony Drews To: "Randall" , Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. One other tip I just remembered - someone besides me came up with this one, but I like it. Use a long piece of stiff wire (like a coat hanger straightened out), shove it down the hole parallel to the pushrod and use it to hold the lifter in place while you pull out the pushrod. Tony Drews At 11:42 AM 8/4/2013, Randall wrote: > > I had this happen once. The problem is the oil on the > > lifter/pushrod interface will create enough suction to lift > > lift the lifter along with the pushrod to the point where the > > lifter comes out of its hole in the block. > >Ditto; except I've had at least one try to do that, every time I've taken >the pushrods out. My solution is to list just an inch or so then spin the >pushrod back and forth a few times with my fingers, until the weight of the >lifter drops off. > >As noted, if you are pulling the head anyway, it's much easier to put the >lifters back with the head off. Putting them back with the head in place >is >like trying to thread a needle in the dark. > >-- Randall > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 05:34:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9F242746 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E41400AD for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:33:12 -0600 (MDT) a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=zB9c-D_oiokA:10 a=sbeXkZvV-o8A:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=VflJZnV-_kQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=sBQDh-g6EkTLrVQWdokA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=L1u35jFur9RAHIP_:21 a=vqRBWyHZJ5meqMLa:21 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:63819] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/7B-14128-7FED0025; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 11:33:11 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Jaap Dekker" , References: <87916601B1F2443F825574D0343F9CB2@JaapPC> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:33:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You might experience head gasket sealing issues with 89mm stuff. It would take some extra care. Randall has a method that I'm sure he can show you if you decide to go that route. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Dekker Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:40 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. I have examined the head and although there's a lot of carbon junk in the cavities and on the valves, it looks like my problem might be something else. I took the dirtiest exhaust valve out and cleaned it with a wirebrush, it looks ok. The guides are bronze and there is little play. If the rest is like this I will put it back together and leave it like that. When I looked into the cylinder liners I found what could be the reason for the excessive oil consumption. Number three and four had deep pitting where the gudgeon? pins rest in tdc on both sides. There are also deep scars running straight down. I suspect the circlips have failed. I wiil have to dig into the bottom end now. I could use some advice on how to proceed. I expect I will have to replace all liners and pistons? There's 87 mm in there now. Would it hurt to go to 89 mm? Regards, Jaap Dekker ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 06:35:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5184041D for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fep20.mx.upcmail.net (fep20.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2924440414 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep20-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20130806123539.XITZ6295.viefep20-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net>; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:35:39 +0200 Received: from JaapPC ([178.84.18.175]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id 9Qbe1m01L3meCoq02Qbegy; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:35:39 +0200 From: "Jaap Dekker" To: "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <87916601B1F2443F825574D0343F9CB2@JaapPC> <00AAC029BF25429C9FEDB7FD632D07D6@UserTHINK> <006501ce929e$36b85060$a428f120$@uprichard.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:35:36 +0200 Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for your answer Andrew, does the extra cost and trouble for the headgasket bring any benefit, as in torque? What about re-using the head gasket in case I stay with 87 mm? I am leaving for Malvern/England tomorrow and might as well see if I can bring the parts I need. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Andrew Uprichard Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 2:12 PM To: 'Jerry Van Vlack' ; 'Jaap Dekker' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. "deep scars" and "excessive oil consumption" might suggest it is indeed time for a rebuild. Two of my TR3s have 89 mm pistons and liners. The only "hurt" is that the pistons cost more. As far as the head gasket is concerned, you will need to buy the 89mm gasket as the other gaskets will not work. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 7:33 AM To: Jaap Dekker; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. You might experience head gasket sealing issues with 89mm stuff. It would take some extra care. Randall has a method that I'm sure he can show you if you decide to go that route. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Dekker Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:40 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. I have examined the head and although there's a lot of carbon junk in the cavities and on the valves, it looks like my problem might be something else. I took the dirtiest exhaust valve out and cleaned it with a wirebrush, it looks ok. The guides are bronze and there is little play. If the rest is like this I will put it back together and leave it like that. When I looked into the cylinder liners I found what could be the reason for the excessive oil consumption. Number three and four had deep pitting where the gudgeon? pins rest in tdc on both sides. There are also deep scars running straight down. I suspect the circlips have failed. I wiil have to dig into the bottom end now. I could use some advice on how to proceed. I expect I will have to replace all liners and pistons? There's 87 mm in there now. Would it hurt to go to 89 mm? Regards, Jaap Dekker ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 06:47:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820E842753 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fep19.mx.upcmail.net (fep19.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534AD40414 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from edge03.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.238]) by viefep19-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20130806124206.NJGF9577.viefep19-int.chello.at@edge03.upcmail.net>; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:42:06 +0200 Received: from JaapPC ([178.84.18.175]) by edge03.upcmail.net with edge id 9Qi51m01U3meCoq03Qi5j4; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:42:06 +0200 From: "Jaap Dekker" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" , References: <87916601B1F2443F825574D0343F9CB2@JaapPC> <00AAC029BF25429C9FEDB7FD632D07D6@UserTHINK> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:42:02 +0200 Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you for answering, Jerry. Help from the list is much apreciated. I have a new original gasket, could that be adapted for 89 mm? Regards, Jaap Dekker. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:33 PM To: Jaap Dekker ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. You might experience head gasket sealing issues with 89mm stuff. It would take some extra care. Randall has a method that I'm sure he can show you if you decide to go that route. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Dekker Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:40 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. I have examined the head and although there's a lot of carbon junk in the cavities and on the valves, it looks like my problem might be something else. I took the dirtiest exhaust valve out and cleaned it with a wirebrush, it looks ok. The guides are bronze and there is little play. If the rest is like this I will put it back together and leave it like that. When I looked into the cylinder liners I found what could be the reason for the excessive oil consumption. Number three and four had deep pitting where the gudgeon? pins rest in tdc on both sides. There are also deep scars running straight down. I suspect the circlips have failed. I wiil have to dig into the bottom end now. I could use some advice on how to proceed. I expect I will have to replace all liners and pistons? There's 87 mm in there now. Would it hurt to go to 89 mm? Regards, Jaap Dekker ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 12:40:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475B642960 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6773442853 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=VflJZnV-_kQA:10 a=s1AluoH41vXSGruFlsoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:57925] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E2/32-14128-AC141025; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:34:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:34:50 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Jaap Dekker Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Pushrods tr4 engine won't go back down. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jaap Dekker wrote: > Thank you for answering, Jerry. Help from the list is much apreciated. > I have a new original gasket, could that be adapted for 89 mm? You will need to check carefully, but most likely not. If the gasket ring around the cylinder hangs out into the cylinder, then the gasket is not likely to last for long at all. You really need a gasket made for the 89mm liners (which AFAIK are all solid metal gaskets, not composites like the original gaskets). Since it seems that you are mostly interested in a reliable engine; my suggestion would be to stick with the 87mm liners. The 89mm units are really custom made racing parts (which is why the price is nearly double that of the 87mm liners), and I've been told that they tend to aggravate any tendency to overheat. Of course, I've never been one to take my own advice, so I have a set of 89mm liners on the shelf to go along with a lot of other parts that will probably reduce reliability (but hopefully increase the fun factor). So YMMV and all that. PS, I forget who offhand, but someone has suggested turning Delrin buttons to locate the gudgeon pins, rather than relying on circlips. You aren't the first to have the circlips come out, with the damage you have observed. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 16:13:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D228542979 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 16:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8546E4294C for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 16:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o7so960680lbv.31 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yBeFwC/Gl3xFuBgsRazY7jjVCFks4BP0qE69evbo30c=; b=qdKHDPUTK2PVwpZqPdcvlzqaPRWijoFE28wCL18Jz7GXHw0VdsFXmGlbIvYA7aex6H neyC/oV4abiHMJ6VoXqktSbi9U7ZAubb3EIQdBFcNegtkvZChRw65PAA+Y2SKe9cjgYI L9flYJJgNVsttUnyEjCbEgMcjA+wlHdkbarv9JZ34ilVMAzH1KtlTer9jiv6Do3K9FSo RvEaFfgrWeDXlVFh9Hg/OsP0qMzhR4MDBgAoCk74c6hCAaZQcUGBVob+6ev9pksoseR1 JIoqRi6bcu9anoM79P/LFPK+d5sa6WrQ/n6gdwvrQBuIoyZDJ0XQawZUhpHGjKJ77Lp2 popA== zo8mr410841lbb.33.1375827033534; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:10:33 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Working on a TR 3. Time to clean up in refurb the fan and heater. Fan was quite tight and would not turn easily. I washed it with wd-40 vs brake cleaner. I put some drops of light machine oil on both ends. It now spins like a champ and quite silent. Should I open it up and grease it? Anything to watch out for when opening the small motor? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 18:17:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DD3428FB for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB1B428FB for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.67.27]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9cFK1m00J0bHjmE01cFLUk; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 17:15:21 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:15:24 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQL+blmm7Rcq62fjs/C0YfxoJGVq9JcpKZwA Subject: Re: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Leave well alone !! Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:11 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Working on a TR 3. Time to clean up in refurb the fan and heater. Fan was quite tight and would not turn easily. I washed it with wd-40 vs brake cleaner. I put some drops of light machine oil on both ends. It now spins like a champ and quite silent. Should I open it up and grease it? Anything to watch out for when opening the small motor? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 18:57:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44729429E1 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D08A429CD for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=rCU2CWJF2jYA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=t7UN9hios2nnzWQZZGUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:63576] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F4/FA-09254-94B91025; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:56:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 0:56:41 +0000 From: Randall To: list Triumph , Chris Simo Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Chris Simo wrote: > Working on a TR 3. Time to clean up in refurb the fan and heater. Fan was > quite tight and would not turn easily. I washed it with wd-40 vs brake > cleaner. I put some drops of light machine oil on both ends. > > It now spins like a champ and quite silent. Should I open it up and grease > it? Anything to watch out for when opening the small motor? It's probably fine, but if I were going to rely on it for heat, I would probably open it up and re-soak the bushings in engine oil. It's been a long time (no heater in the last two TRs), but I don't recall anything being particularly tricky. Like most motors, there are some wires that you have to be careful not to over-stretch while disassembling the motor. Long time ago, I even re-wound one successfully. Well, at least the motor ran faster afterwards, can't say it really put out any more heat. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 19:34:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9EF42A3D for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F51342A28 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 01:28:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 01:28:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2013 01:28:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375838928; bh=SNrIUfQymubQwdrxeAN6/FfDs7BsM73geN76DbzDywc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=edeXRjI8QgANXnPpwL1/44j1FbfPoIQnCXy8dE3PJ60RyJRk3v6+IOCXjNd2D9DoSbDaZuDBhbs/KE5y330AD9SFyVWtHNnlQNRu/+pvkWLCZSIbFITZfLBoG10gyGVEgCkbweyKhtlhTI1WAIcWMnh4jN2vDlix+UyCcPCyH54= oXNANExxGnp3Lx4S_RLsxqNfcyV32zhHLx8qWEKNENyDcgg7YH.KnJpbTLjR O2QxWPOcqaPS_iyopO0tyZMAlnqJqLqLY0PKlIb2gfWuuqcYo..PX0uDCDKM OyAJqWaFMbFYtUCZJvojPOs42i00L08HSCu.QqIIHPJfrT_arKas3aRMaqkt YmRrK_8YCUa7xLd93Pa1H.01ufmMMVilxNcLkng7unlMAdqYpF3MktteLk.C NSxWUN9vM1ZgfhEDd1qoVRWGLwWuQHNkWpqSbYys_w3QMMmyKeiXmiILVH4H DyV5DY5bHTz.TQrINZg1bjLoQNwu3nUdfjcRQbU3mtn2LiXPi_zLUYg5nJds 8HmdAvhHYei3LHwrQh_AQ4Xub6H3QJ7nIemsVm6D_x_Abw50v1p3q81Vc9Se 1gRtoEkIce8AwQufzL4i6FIs2BiveLtNizDe_PjTtedtL_UMDTNuz13xGoom k.iyblcox77mmJ7exN7U5kTALsBqbrkFcJqmxXxovANhYzosxwZck4Z1aipi XoCYfIvctKcWIQswU20hoE8YDHOhPhAtpBC1oVcyMVcCLIkZqlX0vSB4Zg0S DrBgTwrbGaKFnwBH58Sdm8BrSJT64DB9VAvu8mcaVzK2PgDeOwqjUcG0- smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Aug 2013 18:28:48 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:28:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6S8lLYXkGFzHKnQtufidPMlcohsQAGwiOQ Subject: Re: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like you have done it, if everything is tight and no strange noises you should be OK. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:11 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Working on a TR 3. Time to clean up in refurb the fan and heater. Fan was quite tight and would not turn easily. I washed it with wd-40 vs brake cleaner. I put some drops of light machine oil on both ends. It now spins like a champ and quite silent. Should I open it up and grease it? Anything to watch out for when opening the small motor? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 22:06:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A7740325 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C477040066 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130807040125.CEEN6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 00:01:25 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 9g1R1m00833eLpB05g1Ruo; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:01:25 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=Kpj_iDdqUA4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=rCU2CWJF2jYA:10 a=ZcQOn9cB08FkVfzp03QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:01:26 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20130807005641.Q6Y23.48321.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Subject: Re: [TR] Any gotchas on tr3 fan motor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/6/2013 8:56 PM, Randall wrote: > It's been a long time (no heater in the last two TRs), but I don't recall anything being particularly tricky. Like most motors, there are some wires that you have to be careful not to over-stretch while disassembling the motor. Long time ago, I even re-wound one successfully. > > Well, at least the motor ran faster afterwards, can't say it really put out any more heat. If the motor didn't put out more heat, I'd call that a success... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 19:36:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F21642B02 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.60]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B2E42AE2 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 01:34:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 01:34:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 01:34:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87117 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 01:34:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375925681; bh=K2y+hpfe/lxtm6C/ovPND/8cUO+u0rlAKUI2qBBdZnk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KB/rY3FialmpBVdb6CifR8oB99p0lq3jguMYMSHPIzk8/IL0ZpmNKa1EKg+2wxjJ5knzJ3wPQwQjWuj/lKZwGL5HAosnNJm0A5/cWyPqSufxKe7SoLtRX0vKVUzHc5S5S2bQhrn4pqbk3mUU1do969Fj3EwS2+finUZQEq0y4wA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lzpCc5GCRJFfkf1znyCf4TVK8BXaKJZ+XIh4ftn1myBOf7PRW8y23GllzB5i4UgfXlZXxGZ7aav8OmoRZb6TnYLWX0dLGi5oXlO2IF5+R3Phk6GPaGS1hb+s/Vt38YjteyACJyVBDjD+Tm7iMgA/ks9lLIpAUuTQpOOxYfmhhQc=; zmHjeTRzlSXb1KwbU0fL888qe1BKkkMcDE4eXMk8CqBGRGWZLXQmfPhDWV6a H1gSTtBhD3UGEk4pntPFFilQiYBl7ObIQbDHgVKxmiTQCTCqeBW0dm1KW8C5 JbhOwJbR5jvmO2pok8vfdRyIdnwCO6WLtb2rAd2l0k._x5qBhv5FjkgZLjR_ V0WNaIoB86XZwC0ecyxs3D76iCDkB5r88jJPNdvOfAAMYkczJHri6aAzLQLM l12wLcp9txZU6JrDCpUoCT6ckRP1uBSkG411_psYgazkFGTWXdPDbQrrLmz7 mcZhLLakjJ.dZSq2pmTsqfvCaN.8OpcxQ7d4muDUs_zXaPcbgZbNTovwS8G_ voIYcFBwy7BkE12x7ae.yFFkTUTRTyuNcdeiDRIQtFXFqgG.r9u0sSG4cQg3 E6ZpszFL1ixQRJvkMF1nwPtObo6yRukr5E1cRElreJW5xXe8wsIIkTxvh1h7 BXy_Nkc0.BLAkQ2LBw0z5pszGfRjmqSPHkOUwKfayVCLqXl2r3CHZ3Tiqvom iDlJzhJwM8JX7JPXcPSg- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:34:41 PDT U3BlYWtpbmcgb2YgdHItMyBmYW4gbW90b3JzLCBJIGhhdmUgb25lIEknZCBiZSB3aWxsaW5nIHRvIHNlbGwgaWYgYW55b25lIGlzIGludGVyZXN0ZWQuwqAgSSBjYW4gY2hlY2sgdG8gc2VlIGlmIGl0IHNwaW5zIHdoZW4gaG9va2VkIHVwIHRvIGEgYmF0dGVyeSBlY3QuIGlmIGFueW9uZSBpcyBpbnRlcmVzdGVkLgp0aGFua3MKZ2FyeSBuLgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] speaking of tr-3 fan motors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of tr-3 fan motors, I have one I'd be willing to sell if anyone is interested. I can check to see if it spins when hooked up to a battery ect. if anyone is interested. thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 19:41:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DA342B13 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF1842AE3 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 01:40:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 93403 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2013 01:40:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375926056; bh=KQd8WWkELZyT1AmkI8vRoX5oB5QmHWr8DBo47VFD+kY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SJoQj9sePwKVFHq1xHhH50syDM2/sX7oLB2mR4aaBoa5wubhduOwj1dwqMRWnxkCjV4LbXfbag9ulVP1wK9qow2oVvCSBNqwM1uoF4I07xIudRSwqCzrWyxxGj473oxozYN3ZOV2UCwuClfb7vy/PJ8Gv9Vw2JU1fi3S1rWFoWY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ELOCB80JlbmkDX3WCZuACKVOEaaxLZlEzZZJHYWST+uWEJ2oOSa9sjRysiIIeCQnbZqW/UZlmxn7QkzY3oKUOQ7+wdSQO3qCReiz1xx1nrC5RhXpgZcBmouxzmB975KImi6wdHWgPpWR6msL4u36WhNgxy0q472GBRLgpyvvRrk=; 51Q53YwbUThc93vVqp6AC2l_RK4CpRK4Ej1HeJTkQDaW_ZxYy.hWKcoEaXY9 EbFWqtVcl6QodWpQG48Z53CPYnvMBfDwrmWS4akjsqDalt9vHUZGIVM5xSPC PV1L_PG4VTnUfwzVeArMSw7HUrI8idxPR8nuOM5eEJ2Dqb_kXr984lxYeNCo sLpD7OUMv0hh6xdl6P5HKNdVF1K1BFJJMxkyFc4AgnUKZ.za15n6iYMu5oHL yo5TQ82V51XBm0PvjcsTKVcK82glTRNTiZoBTR5n_u9EYRWPuClBdFOyKs3t _YuVgAjfNlI0..KZ.GnsE_L6Z.4FR0C0Uc7fM6IEKe1W_dM3MS_90d67w7MJ 9jFGWrv8bKi9FChS3.Kfc.n_UzzlYbtdNA95nz5wojP3jApXQhGkknJpxUPt RiNPlh6yX_zB9w36RoZR__UPLhLmln0iLNo5V00nhvS09kHtxeWiOo3_425O 4ByFASo_2QgxBVyPCBFZQSQ3_66_3vMLwDYUAbxarYXAhTutI_DDM813NMsJ D33pe8PJs20m1uwUUCmNg Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:40:56 PDT SnVzdCBhIEZZSSBub3RlIG9uIHRoZSBiYWNrZmlyZSBwcm9ibGVtIEkgaGFkIG9uIHRoZSBuZXdseSByZXN0b3JlZCB0ci0zLsKgIEkgZm91bmQgdGhlIGJyb3duIHdpcmUgYXR0YWNoZWQgdG8gdGhlIGZpcmV3YWxsLW1vdW50ZWQgc3RhcnRlciBzb2xlbm9pZCB3YXMgYmFzaWNhbGx5IG9mZi7CoCBCdXQgaXQgd2FzIG1vc3RseSB0b3VjaGluZyB0aGUgY29ubmVjdGlvbiAoc3BhZGUpIHNvIHRoZSBjYXIgd291bGQgcnVuLsKgIEFicnVwdCBhY2NlbGVyYXRpb24gYXBwYXJlbnRseSBtb3ZlZCB0aGUgc3BhZGUBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] backfire problem solved! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a FYI note on the backfire problem I had on the newly restored tr-3. I found the brown wire attached to the firewall-mounted starter solenoid was basically off. But it was mostly touching the connection (spade) so the car would run. Abrupt acceleration apparently moved the spade away from it's connection briefly which caused a backfire. At highway speed the underhood drafts also caused surging at times. A seemingly complicated problem solved by chance discovery. Awesome! Probably the simplest fix I've found during the total restoration!! God Bless! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 20:38:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20DE42AE5 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ewout03.consolidated.net (ewout03.consolidated.net [206.123.242.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF54542A69 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.106] ([72.251.169.90]) by ewout03.consolidated.net ({7f4c37df-33fe-4041-bc97-39fcf9138839}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPSA id 20130808023817792 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Thu, 08 Aug 2013 02:38:17 +0000 From: Home Consolidated Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 21:38:12 -0500 To: Listserv Triumph Subject: [TR] Sabra Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know anything about the Sabra. It was an Israeli sports car built in the early 1960's. At one time the company was owned by Triumph, but I think this one was based on the Reliant. It's a fiberglass body and looks to have Ford in line four. The manufacture looks to be Autocar. Just scheming :-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 05:35:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02491429B0 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 05:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E4A42800 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 05:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4420D700043A2 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.193]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EDC92E00008A for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:31:32 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1375961493; bh=fprYjwpvKvmYXwXKvskGe7z67e76ueHVUmXXGp4L7Ug=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xHegNxn+nKJCvBoJJdyRmY7VYnt69FmqVi1Qe6SRo49QA9a0Ec8XX1jHBoMhdJHkF NpZhT6NVxrufDOl045kLhcpB4HbxOOL5qnZk/rdxk5wgp+gcE00i3DerNoeMgvOpjG 32SOb/Noio1UKzr0U88GgKTmPK6PV4H0Un1gQxtA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8520381943df6 Subject: Re: [TR] Sabra Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net At least it wasn't the Reliant Robin. A quick Internet search turns up this: http://www.sporting-reliants.com/Sabra.htm And this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocars_Co. Dave In a message dated 8/7/2013 9:38:27 PM Central Daylight Time, triumphs@consolidated.net writes: > Does anyone know anything about the Sabra. It was an Israeli sports car > built > in the early 1960's. At one time the company was owned by Triumph, but I > think > this one was based on the Reliant. It's a fiberglass body and looks to > have > Ford in line four. The manufacture looks to be Autocar. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 21:03:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1CC43135 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE1443056 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:02:43 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=O7BAphozxmIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=xqKI9EjBE-oA:10 a=csbLL1Ls5C4GqzCqnLgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=2WYMyVz6WWJOLRH4HxcA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:49723] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A5/E4-05415-2DB54025; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 03:02:43 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:02:45 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6UrOulUle/syhmQBWltIjoagFRyg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Tri-Metal vs Bi-Metal Engine Bearings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What's the advantage of each? I understand Tri-Metals are harder, but I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. In my mind, harder means longer lasting, but the offset is an perfect fit when first installed, and potentially more wear on the crankshaft journals. Softer bearings means they can adapt more easily initially, but wear quicker and take the abuse rather than the journals. Am I missing something? Getting ready to rebuild my TR4A engine and order parts. Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 10:07:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62F24043F for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9173240422 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:06:12 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=ic3uqaCHPtYA:10 a=YieQUjN_AAAA:8 a=lg0XLFllHsLAXkv9MZEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dkaGFTJIlcAA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:49241] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 66/B1-04066-47315025; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:06:12 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:06:11 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am getting ready to pull the engine and trans/OD from my TR4. I may be able to borrow a crane/hoist from a garage, but I have been looking at the Harbor Freight 1 ton which I can get for $99 with a coupon! However, (you saw this coming) the maximum extension of the boom is claimed to be 50" but that is the total boom length. The actual distance from the fulcrum to the hook is about 38" and that is 500 lbs. From the center of the valve cover to the front bumper is 36". The engine is stripped except for the head and that could come off too. So the ability of this lift to do the job seems iffy. Does anyone have experience with the HF 1 ton crane http://www.harborfreight.com/shop-crane-1-ton-capacity-foldable-69512.html Thanks, Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 10:34:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B744362A for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA4D435E6 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:34:04 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=jeU9_jckdAwA:10 a=nQibjB65C8FppJpURKIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55012] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/FC-15971-BF915025; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:34:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Allen Hess'" , =?us-ascii?Q?'=22triumphs_list=22'?= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:34:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6VGocuiFsmepZqTNeGgoUUwxIJJwAAr+Qg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does anyone have experience with the HF 1 ton crane Why not pony up the extra $40 and get the two ton version? It has another 7" or so of reach (on the 1/2 ton setting). I have the non-folding 2-ton variant (which they apparently no longer carry) and it's worked well for me for about 10 years now. Only caveat is that the bolts supplied as pivots for the hydraulic cylinder were too soft, and had to be replaced. Since I disassemble it for storage and transport, I used common trailer hitch pins, which seem to work fine. Worth noting, perhaps, that your front bumper will be down low but the fulcrum is way up high. It won't matter if the fulcrum is over the front bumper. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 10:50:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BB143643 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D81642F6D for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS8 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:45:14 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Allen Hess'" , =?us-ascii?Q?'=22triumphs_list=22'?= References: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:45:09 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIh63ur6fKXCjbGjim1I4WCJopKJ5jmZ3mw Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[D21ACE60:01CE951F] Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Get the bigger one - much more flexible and not such a huge added cost. It folds up and takes up about 8 square feet of garage space. I've had mine for 10 years and it has seen heavy use from me, friends and club members. 1001 uses and still counting - moving pallets, putting cars chassis on trailers, pulling stumps, gantry crane in back of pickup truck, you name it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 10:56:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEDB43698 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C523A4368F for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:55:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.174] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 16:55:56 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.235] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 16:55:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 16:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32929 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2013 16:55:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376067356; bh=3u1iqL2EtpOCNFMdSApHCpejqNSuYaReI1ETglRJkGM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0edMj9q5bdrq8tZIDXgfIg4awm1LmTk/vt/oriIqIusGgRRPYUG7hFdqRfO0ks5bnYCqtQwYdiamYwP7yDEhIBmTkkPzwkEuXom+TwJt9Lg/2O5s7e17vjLkGYHgt3ULDNUNfTBRE6WQQ0ND9T8akZE9iv0/iueWkRlTe9LbJV8= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nXpGEL6gcf2veb1r/EH8CnPSUzKbx1zL2iMdtQhb/Qp7RXfkBON8wnwxQ/6W4dtgyPF1h5Oe5Gy5yVWCD6k50IDsBYjLdXLgth0C/nqNEyooseyXCR2OYV7PmgS6RaUsR37z+2k+GZdAZYdTMFSGcyz+cDqSxluEdZtVxqBlqH8=; qxIfW_MRdRZu_qlGAwnp_W..DI80x_UR3KV_a1_Hx2M5T0RPiBxaT1QvhRsy ehLZuzINGcPEjgnC7dx.oejEYR9g2zUVoXqvkC5atxqgPDb2xlgcRxIgpdke LkwHe1PGD6XExGFNSp2WLcWHLuJYMLFCUok28iAAMEtdavWgsYfCEmnw2PrS PP1vymJhNj0.QSkb8qtlfhzza3YQ9jtpu8A66gnNWPvf9.15aPs5vteWw8Y2 wRf7Pm5uOQ5_VpsXVa8YznHe6Sk30_h_T2id6ozSUNfitGDugwDOosB8HSLR k2CmzllqsXHT7xUCbCVEAq1LZhlB0Avlv4zNcAfabdaZKkSWj5SxJrnXaMKt .W3l8TdF01hBjmCX7A7NDiY0NKah0EBug2wU9ujXL70XVDaC0fS3ffsSvW02 e0IpRGOM6HoYaTd3SgiQ6_Wb5Zt7unakmY65VzCswZ6MgSB4DGq8UwkTkEuy xk8tRWTKNlLE89v8pv3Z5H6EjOletemIZSKyDkUMOGmYKSTD_xnWhYa2ZOhk 9uiW35IwnJkHr.loxWR_YFKe9uHo95mmfErAfkFqLgUbSFMVjxpUp1zIsBMu LNBxgrYyBNt4olTMry293KfbzjycrwkA1wE5NC2S.3lnq1pLVgfJ8CquGgAR 0AcdoJ594Cu_Gpd5BmXLQtMBNrnsLa_eh3q34Y3iGSPLHkhdAd56lv6ssSkD ORXyRabLPn.DLm2O0xhx91L46BA19gm_GgvYtqcjxARlRFzXJbmiBtfGsPGF unGhR.qmN Received: from [97.202.58.32] by web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:55:55 PDT SSBoYXZlIFVuY2xlIEphY2tzIGhvaXN0IHBsYW5zIGlmIHlvdSB3YW50IHRvIGJ1aWxkIHlvdXIgb3duLsKgIAoKU2VudCBmcm9tIFlhaG9vISBNYWlsIG9uIEFuZHJvaWQKCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Benford Jr To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "allenhess@mgcarclub.com" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have Uncle Jacks hoist plans if you want to build your own.B Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 10:57:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AD4436BB for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f65.google.com (mail-vb0-f65.google.com [209.85.212.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9914368E for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f65.google.com with SMTP id f12so1406758vbg.8 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:55:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vDM1YZtM57KHub+LeszlT2E+FYkgXOpxbP9XLRThXf8=; b=WGiq7EASr4MOuMOkKlgYDc2DyiOCvkjyENYRADbtGJ+vJ6Dk5qtetMrmP+pX2GltiU Ml4H9YJ2HqmRhErZx5GoaCTe1yMLMAbKEY58U2CyF+X+/n+kJULyZlHie0pkiztk0XoO cCjZHnNbVZCeFsVU2tYJZKpe5Ra5mXL8wCkv3iTXmhRNIYjdyk0T0JFZTUfRgEZvrb9u o6uemoWl1N4gXdGogRYE5q9I0DUZgmNU/mdsqDKgEbUkpObxwKmuBbayPolT41UhxzRa jXr0PIVxkzWh0NYoldkA8fQnlnjEP8+svUlyCYpnzaLuXTjq6AhLKaYvN4159RrrdvLS dWAA== Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:55:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:55:35 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A local club member has a great (but big) hoist. His policy: he will lend it to club members but they have to keep it until he tells them to return it (or deliver it elsewhere). Good system. Geo On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jonas Payne wrote: > Get the bigger one - much more flexible and not such a huge added cost. It > folds up and takes up about 8 square feet of garage space. > > I've had mine for 10 years and it has seen heavy use from me, friends and > club members. > > 1001 uses and still counting - moving pallets, putting cars chassis on > trailers, pulling stumps, gantry crane in back of pickup truck, you name > it. > > > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 11:19:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756C643705 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E3D81436C0 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12039 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2013 17:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy3.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.72) by gproxy3.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2013 17:13:38 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.85); Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:13:38 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=59265 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V7qFu-0001Cs-Io; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:13:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:13:33 -0500 To: Allen Hess ,=?iso-8859-1?Q?=93triumphs?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_list=93?= From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I briefly thought about digging my hoist out and measuring - I can probably do that Sunday if you still need a measurement. But, I can tell you that you'll need the hook near the rear of the head for portions of the lift. You'll need a device to move the pivot point (forget what they are called) to be able to change the center of gravity and pivot the engine / tranny assembly under the hook. My hoist is an el-cheapo 2 ton unit, and I have to use full boom extension and that seems like it's barely long enough but there is at least an inch or three between hoist and front valance - and my race car doesn't have a front bumper. There are some shots of the removal process here http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild.htm I don't have a good shot showing the actual clearance between the hoist and the front of the car though (angle is wrong) Tony Drews At 11:06 AM 8/9/2013, Allen Hess wrote: >I am getting ready to pull the engine and trans/OD from my TR4. I may >be able to borrow a crane/hoist from a garage, but I have been looking >at the Harbor Freight 1 ton which I can get for $99 with a coupon! >However, (you saw this coming) the maximum extension of the boom is >claimed to be 50" but that is the total boom length. The actual >distance from the fulcrum to the hook is about 38" and that is 500 >lbs. From the center of the valve cover to the front bumper is 36". >The engine is stripped except for the head and that could come off >too. So the ability of this lift to do the job seems iffy. > >Does anyone have experience with the HF 1 ton crane > >http://www.harborfreight.com/shop-crane-1-ton-capacity-foldable-69512.html > >Thanks, >Allen > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 9 12:13:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4743628 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1285B43612 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:13:16 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=jeU9_jckdAwA:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=YieQUjN_AAAA:8 a=JR7hTLg9E9sgHmMMwhQA:9 a=vkKFoZcFGReAvcyU:21 a=iWHMoyeZptnQxx1e:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dkaGFTJIlcAA:10 a=yzfVe9YhscAA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:49642] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 44/2E-04066-A3135025; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:13:15 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 14:13:14 -0400 References: <201308091314272.SM204976@pascal.junkemailfilter.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No need to measure--the 2nd picture in the 3rd row illustrates my concern about boom length exactly. I think the shorter boom length of the one ton could be a problem. Thanks for all the replies so far. Allen On Aug 9, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > I briefly thought about digging my hoist out and measuring - I can > probably do that Sunday if you still need a measurement. But, I can > tell you that you'll need the hook near the rear of the head for > portions of the lift. You'll need a device to move the pivot point > (forget what they are called) to be able to change the center of > gravity and pivot the engine / tranny assembly under the hook. > > My hoist is an el-cheapo 2 ton unit, and I have to use full boom > extension and that seems like it's barely long enough but there is > at least an inch or three between hoist and front valance - and my > race car doesn't have a front bumper. > > There are some shots of the removal process here > http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild.htm > I don't have a good shot showing the actual clearance between the > hoist and the front of the car though (angle is wrong) > > Tony Drews > > At 11:06 AM 8/9/2013, Allen Hess wrote: >> I am getting ready to pull the engine and trans/OD from my TR4. I may >> be able to borrow a crane/hoist from a garage, but I have been >> looking >> at the Harbor Freight 1 ton which I can get for $99 with a coupon! >> However, (you saw this coming) the maximum extension of the boom is >> claimed to be 50" but that is the total boom length. The actual >> distance from the fulcrum to the hook is about 38" and that is 500 >> lbs. From the center of the valve cover to the front bumper is 36". >> The engine is stripped except for the head and that could come off >> too. So the ability of this lift to do the job seems iffy. >> >> Does anyone have experience with the HF 1 ton crane >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/shop-crane-1-ton-capacity-foldable-69512.html >> >> Thanks, >> Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 10 16:31:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D147443F9 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17BC438D6 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2013 22:29:49 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.232] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2013 22:29:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2013 22:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 68769 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2013 22:29:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376173789; bh=Nnb1RuNdvvNRTsY06Jdutqq2uEPOvH+uuY296ZN967s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tvgzkKqt4/NwTAoZ3Lfra3b4fUTyb+ZRZppzsVH3fiJ5GDLpsZjubEN9zY7HMAL8d7s5nx5HcEZWMADiyzWWN4WMQ6w6DbBm1pMRYdr18SkBc6gJBo7WJuiendK2ClMJdPwuMRjgHw0+73ogqmB7D4mmFnGLz4a1plFUBKZocdM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FCQ7NS0CVoSLxA/Ms/wd7teYlctWatcIINFUtkEilfjlN5OvxcTT5F+xO3dsJGGK7eAPfj+ue3vEClX4ffX1HSwqZoXYUuVK7s0dtTmD9mJWwChXXiHJNwxNoMOn/NPiIiarvypPoDdYH32DxW/jb2T1IigBspz1NMkoEAEiXCs=; ZvkK47K6241UnlIa6vQWCrxc.SGxNVP0R0scvP3hg5xmLheWvphy8H36K._e HjpzD_M10yQ4.UHjdm4msWvuGxn7gzHLyda3W1LH0ae7JSv0m4eVgxlRAmWB 5fNPU7WjAN0Vwu00Ry3WCsir1mEpc_DulnLdWo21QkaLsOUju72Sm5o4Eln_ pPNYZLQAXxl5Sk8turercoYPxmfb_mJNMnQFZILeaCYPeqlYq_mLCGM.yz79 9AePdF.mbbJ4DOUW5YXK5NYMAA4G9wGu8v7U1pIc5dc06NM2jXnmdL9xNbHA 9KVzX65AJ5jo7TvXArk2iLRmvAhVdeqoy48xGQaJJOVKpwl_icm6zUMhFlvF 1HCf1C4BsEbyRJIas5fpG7uvESVrv_X7L2KPwG82TsScqMe7q81XISfWx0tL F9amZf7tt5MYKjmZpmUZq5AbyoqLN5krXw4AK1j6fIef8K580O6OGi__jebG 4V4g_0GNJmmiLsJZpabyaI.Pj5uNIzPcy6w7fcohu16UePG_InqL3nDVHUTB W3iw_yy1VogkfIrOoVdk1p2dG.w-- Received: from [69.110.215.165] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:29:48 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBBcmUgVFIyIGFuZCBUUjMgYXByb25zIHRoZSBzYW1lIGV4Y2VwdCBmb3IgdGhlIGdyaWxsIHBsYWNlbWVudD8KwqAgwqAgwqBJIHJlY2VudGx5IHNhdyBhIFRSM0Egd2l0aCB3aGF0IGFwcGVhcmVkIHRvIGJlIGEgVFIyIGZyb250IGFwcm9uICh3aXRoIHRoZSBncmlsbCBzZXQgaW5zaWRlKS4gSnVzdCBjdXJpb3VzIGlmIHlvdSBjYW4gZml0IGEgVFIyIGdyaWxsIGluc2lkZSBhIFRSMyBzbWFsbG1vdXRoIGFwcm9uIGFuZCBtYWtlIGl0IGxvb2sgbGlrZSBhIFRSMi4KCsKgIMKgIMKgQmlsbCBpbiABMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are TR2 and TR3 aprons the same except for the grill placement? I recently saw a TR3A with what appeared to be a TR2 front apron (with the grill set inside). Just curious if you can fit a TR2 grill inside a TR3 smallmouth apron and make it look like a TR2. Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 10 17:46:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0BD4440F for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF0544344 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so4926208vbg.11 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ztBrDyqVJX70hXLE3bHAzFotfFJ/a5kSIw0agbK+oFs=; b=SDyW2iDXihLbRxDVwcHumJTaJVnByH5QCbB1A6mWTnHJtW4S88gP3DK/upKZEhI4D1 qwXYrEU+tDAWwIvp3VQcB5RAaLtdYR4krb/n3BBbdtCK8bdzLqeCJ6Kki7h2ecXFFV0i BIBeS8rhw0AWpLdG8SihhIJbSs4J5I99/vOYbSiA5PKwM/tpcS+wVgaIkda7peBntogV EOl70eF18lbULI6bhhCUZnUmEB+wS77TaZUB9puhgCmjrNhaR/0Uo0qsaiED7BZHdsxV XoiwisLpZ3vn1LrbYM1zswF5U/8/E1++nAbGZwjoCuhS+Io1WXEskNl+dfS52qsZp4Ue MVtQ== t4mr3524750vck.57.1376178176781; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376173788.39100.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:42:56 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, William Brewer wrote: > ...Just curious if you can fit a TR2 grill inside a TR3 smallmouth > apron and make it look like a TR2. I believe so -- in fact the opposite (making a TR2 look like a TR3 or 3A) was sometimes done as an 'update' back in the day. Possibly by the same guy who modified a long door into a short door that was on ebay awhile back. You would at least need a different hand crank and possibly some other adaption for the front crank support which was different on the early aprons. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 10 19:17:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EDC44413 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C657843539 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w20so4048366lbh.19 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:17:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sbdmSYNwhj35YQiT3a54nKoU5on6mIiIGTFIvttiok8=; b=eHtQ25jfL0jc9aJNXwMDXpKA//iMVtXmVqFYYBvPHeT2v7M0nGVckpZPYSA7LI5MSa 1FIKH/sWwuKFZmgPX/u2WEi9i1R+6rYFIc7RBshoHsmLggMaiiYhPLMA48ocx5gK89oS 4enHx3IFwDkbqUoLeceY6aK7TF8IDy0JT70+VrSxeVzzIp782nOQr3YSnlkCPin0IdQd WkFsmLMaAtx1vuot/oNlFxlIeCPtLXE7m2EQKCMMytSOrxQkINgzjL0/B9v0hYpWctPQ EpajNHfrf04CjO++ou8nQtE8WyM4nyv1gbJc75SHyZpVENvQphHQueWYBCxrl+z5kBY2 1JlQ== Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:17:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376173788.39100.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:17:06 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep. You can do it. I'm biased, but I love the air intake look of the tr2 front end. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 10 19:34:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97D0444D1 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EB044313 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:34:18 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9vFVwAS4K8gA:10 a=fT778wCmrkDJqOshkDwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lVP1zQIYc2cA:10 a=nEkddXUWAB8A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3E/B6-09254-91AE6025; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:34:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:34:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6WMJHbgg0XrGwSTCu1t9qCWLATOgAAg/aw Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Yep. You can do it. I'm biased, but I love the air intake > look of the tr2 front end. But didn't the TR2 grille mount to tabs on the front apron, that aren't present on TR3 aprons? BTW, if anyone knows of a TR3 front apron for sale in good condition, my insurance company may be interested. Some idiot in a gigantic pickup truck decided to back into me last night. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 05:37:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647D542BF9 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 05:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827BA40067 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 05:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ea20so4085811lab.27 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 04:33:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/G2Hq9KHVn2YBF4OVCA0J/ObGArv5iQpYUH92XCwo/A=; b=ahmi/CN6oqZptZQXNGfPnacDYZLjNjufToanTEhyq4d9MFNMEpKgA179cLjbjtlMWy rBXOlDS7HSXGCK2rPjjklD1powYpNhnU1idfCDGyr9gYrYY8yYJ8dbqLOSiATRt132SV dpms++7GdthrWKF2KBL5hUTPMzMTiRFqbwTcfizfoz2S2nukt6h8x2PtUSuMOnWzq7i3 yctOefyeiDbKhBJvoWzyY2vATHQ6ffazJPBFZ6azjRwNeYgFczLOkPoFbvXWmM161pGo v6usbudmlO8aB2smMlWjvATGu/bIp3DXZxCEwFu2r3mNTGFUqYC6Y5Toja5wuGFDDhVn m+DQ== zr4mr7676732lbb.96.1376220832451; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 04:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 04:33:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <3E.B6.09254.91AE6025@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:33:32 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not a great picture, but here is a link to a pic from the underside of the apron. I also have a pic of a TR3 with a TR2 apron from the Waynesboro, VA car show last year if I can find it, I'll post it. (great little car show by the way) http://tinyurl.com/la3lxhx I'm not sure if the TR3 apron is like this - but the TR2 has a flange all the way round the grill opening and speed nuts are located on the flange to mount the grille. If they are lacking, I can't see it being too difficult to spot weld a few tabs as Randall noted. I can get a better pic later today. Was in hurry. The TR2 is parked above the TR4, so when I pulled the oil catch pan to take the pic, I had to hurry before it dripped on the TR4... I also noticed that my center brace for the front apron lost it's connection to the frame.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 07:54:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D9044568 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DF4444B4 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781eb2.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.30.178]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTP id <0MRD00HYED9TTPD0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:52:20 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <3E.B6.09254.91AE6025@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR3 has the flange, but no spped nuts on it. Since it was not mounted to the car when I bought it, I can't say if it's the original part. It did have the correct holes for mounting the grill and surround trim. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 8/11/2013 7:33 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > Not a great picture, but here is a link to a pic from the underside of the > apron. I also have a pic of a TR3 with a TR2 apron from the Waynesboro, VA > car show last year if I can find it, I'll post it. (great little car show > by the way) > > http://tinyurl.com/la3lxhx > > I'm not sure if the TR3 apron is like this - but the TR2 has a flange all > the way round the grill opening and speed nuts are located on the flange to > mount the grille. If they are lacking, I can't see it being too difficult > to spot weld a few tabs as Randall noted. I can get a better pic later > today. Was in hurry. The TR2 is parked above the TR4, so when I pulled > the oil catch pan to take the pic, I had to hurry before it dripped on the > TR4... I also noticed that my center brace for the front apron lost it's > connection to the frame.... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 10:12:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78664458B for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2468244596 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:03:51 -0600 (MDT) a=6nJa6lWrmwSEW2SELAYUzw==:17 a=cEJ96R3HWY8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=jeU9_jckdAwA:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=YieQUjN_AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ufVdG8Lglre7O7dOWCsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=NO5ZYosNVhgA:10 a=rrh29XsJqrkA:10 a=dkaGFTJIlcAA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9Bg8SWwkULMA:10 a=Vn0uReZd7RbuevJq:21 a=6N7JFnErev0tcV2u:21 a=h7lSgE-CzxvVSUzAh18A:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=6nJa6lWrmwSEW2SELAYUzw==:117 Received: from [98.154.189.99] ([98.154.189.99:3346] helo=paulal73q2sjay) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 83/70-02415-BC5B7025; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:03:50 +0000 From: "Paul Willoughby" To: "Allen Hess" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22triumphs_list=22?= References: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:03:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I went a different route. I got rid of my bulky crane/hoist and bought a harbor freight 800 lb electric hoist/wench for $69 (on sale). I am lucky enough to have a twelve inch exposed beam in my garage for mounting. I haven't pulled a TR engine, but it has worked great on Ford V8's. http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/TR3Paul/media/HoistInstalledCloseup_zps369922c3.jpg.html http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/TR3Paul/media/HoistInstalled4_zps0fdbe18d.jpg.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hess" To: ""triumphs list"" Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: [TR] TR4 engine hoist I am getting ready to pull the engine and trans/OD from my TR4. I may be able to borrow a crane/hoist from a garage, but I have been looking at the Harbor Freight 1 ton which I can get for $99 with a coupon! However, (you saw this coming) the maximum extension of the boom is claimed to be 50" but that is the total boom length. The actual distance from the fulcrum to the hook is about 38" and that is 500 lbs. From the center of the valve cover to the front bumper is 36". The engine is stripped except for the head and that could come off too. So the ability of this lift to do the job seems iffy. Does anyone have experience with the HF 1 ton crane http://www.harborfreight.com/shop-crane-1-ton-capacity-foldable-69512.html Thanks, Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/paulwillou@socal.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date: 08/11/13 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HoistInstalledCloseup.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HoistInstalled4.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 10:44:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9922A44625 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F2A444E9 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id ox1so5092896veb.9 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:20:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dXbwWqqEfoZ1Y6D+/J0nYMtVISP1V1Uwo6oiZSwBXiA=; b=S0/z43c6L66PI4/heggWxbjUv3pTMkY3TaCTxE7XCxvHjUqSGzzfAUNM5Xiiyq5D0T wHdTxOKZ0241pNGX0S+zeIY6P4Jic0yRs3B7RIEWhsTJ8kTZUefijlSp8mfUq3dAoI5M eKMZ+JEqdhs7SFcIPzNhNj9bsttfSdG3r/ABHQrD+DqUWlCvsyfTmu/SopoY4GnMLs3G mEINdRKO7ksJ4+uIgfH+zEOjxymYfs5YbikJBi3dDPU6UwgtdhXBhv2JN4u78NzI+Bqx dBhRuZqiZINjQzvrvK5f9miyz+QPMpTLppZ+DBiN8WdkOq8u2pcgYilOwAeJMvWmvrwv 9FEA== g2mr10195983vee.12.1376238037979; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:20:37 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:20:37 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Paul Willoughby Cc: triumphs list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Paul Willoughby wrote: > ...I haven't pulled a TR engine, but it has worked great on Ford V8's. Though, as I recall, your 'TR' engine *is* a V8! Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 10:59:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AEE44615 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A18542726 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:32:09 -0600 (MDT) a=6nJa6lWrmwSEW2SELAYUzw==:17 a=cEJ96R3HWY8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=jeU9_jckdAwA:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=WHHmmVEzHzZeiXDnl8gA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=TR4Ol_PuUOrgJRmVteYA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=CWg5t1sWKrAC1hwx:21 a=6nJa6lWrmwSEW2SELAYUzw==:117 Received: from [98.154.189.99] ([98.154.189.99:3767] helo=paulal73q2sjay) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FE/D7-18705-88CB7025; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:32:09 +0000 From: "Paul Willoughby" To: "Geo Hahn" References: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:32:11 -0700 Cc: triumphs list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Guilty as charged. ha ha For the record, I hereby amend my testimony to: "It has worked great to install a Ford V8 into a TR3 - multiple times!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Geo Hahn To: Paul Willoughby Cc: triumphs list Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Paul Willoughby wrote: ...I haven't pulled a TR engine, but it has worked great on Ford V8's. Though, as I recall, your 'TR' engine is a V8! Geo No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date: 08/11/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 11:04:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D463A42F8C for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE0944276 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BUxz1m00Q53lu5001Uy0Wi; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:58:00 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "\"triumphs list\"" References: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:57:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm just going to add here - rather than chains, tie down straps work really well in hoisting an engine. don't scratch, are infinitely adjustable, and store in a much smaller space. just be sure to get your weight capacity right. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Willoughby Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 11:03 AM To: Allen Hess ; "triumphs list" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 engine hoist ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 15:04:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6274436E for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.138.91.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AD340422 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 20:58:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 20:58:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2013 20:58:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28741 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2013 20:58:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376254715; bh=rNoTdNHfZ1JXZJhpERolr1E1p7/4WbO8JISX9ZhQX3M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MWu5zuixqnWAWOw9gRAFNeUDjzoUsUhw5mijXOsrIKs5kL9yPH+TRzrOBx0mBAzyVPiNd2SSQQEn5nFibFjyBcskxleRsBeeCmnS1Jx/HG8YnP+W6ZCNmvKZLJbDVAk6diuNdYq6c+KrRtXFuBOSYHTRTPg05YCqf73R6M2YGag= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0bUOakUOwtdwsitRFL/OeoHMmvey5sHWi+geNKjQgRqUzKiNJGm585/dJxx6Eb9SR3PzkpNlKLVWXlS2Bl8mA+H5JQJH97iG+J2XeZnMuijVoBUU6hEw4s512E0f2XfNhtXuaUXMlUZFu2SnJgJvVO8M+h0bAbS4tGcrgy2Cncs=; TpsVeTv4TE5W8MTRPlnuDTIO1zICAruFKG.KMZoC.ejApKkRPYaNuVpBQo7Y K3MaE_Qttp.pI5RVAyK81EJESp5NGFeem8In_RanWIzxt2l5pJ4m1NdNFyCy 45xKufU.Im3uj27.BE9xzPw9XKxCTdGax45SrLc5322Fj0Pfz9EL1ko.c_jf dG6CfEd2F1SHvOCTsBoxAIwy7Wb1CR9XZfUt5yyvGXaq53CaSjK9AT3CMt5C 6.Eg07M3g_5VSPpE8DKKEYsQi13bA.4QdHgjuIUO0J2vb7aw81kTUxqTvZmy IUov6O9Elmj.NNSbhc0qLluD0SEoLjKUh3ZyMskVpVvFZHZPse99yRSbmwaF fgwzPZEUxHT3vhzWvI5USxUqBDQzTrHjIonEQ3oqOS1OCSMGHv6.VIO0hcLc kITDT52YN0t6ar9r6LCSTNG0VWFwQ2RzK.AYJgn61IwH13_tAArg54c7qR7Q lJNEWKcLedm886PAiG74amnb.r55boBQnLA.9XtHaeR2KhKchJs8MGMghllM SUXlRittzLAWNNVMw8FpQObmgDqCvMk8LKLAE7nhO_5luFEy02P7CW3g_ycA jEJKy1l4Fgg-- Received: from [108.0.20.132] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:58:35 PDT bWF5YmUgdGhhdCB3YXMgbXkgY2FyLiB3YXMgaXQgYnJpZ2h0IHllbGxvdyBieSBjaGFuY2U_Cm15IGNhciA1OCBUUjMgVFM0MTM2NkwgaXMgYSBUUjNBLgpJIHRvb2sgYSBUUjMgZ3JpbGwgYW5kIHdlbGRlZCB1cCB0aGUgbGl0dGxlIGhvbGVzIGZvciB0aGUgVFIzIGdyaWxsLgp0aGVuIEkgcHV0IHRoZSBUUjIgY2hyb21lIGNhc3QgZ3JpbGwgb24gdGhlIGJhY2sgYW5kIHRoZXJlIEkgaGF2ZSBpdC4gYSBUUjIgbG9vay1hLWxpa2UuCsKgCmV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgZml0IGp1c3QgbGlrZSBpdCB3YXMgc3VwcG9zZWQBMAEBAQE- References: <1376173788.39100.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: William Brewer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net maybe that was my car. was it bright yellow by chance? my car 58 TR3 TS41366L is a TR3A. I took a TR3 grill and welded up the little holes for the TR3 grill. then I put the TR2 chrome cast grill on the back and there I have it. a TR2 look-a-like. everything fit just like it was supposed to. From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Are TR2 and TR3 aprons the same except for the grill placement? I recently saw a TR3A with what appeared to be a TR2 front apron (with the grill set inside). Just curious if you can fit a TR2 grill inside a TR3 smallmouth apron and make it look like a TR2. Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 17:58:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F276447EB for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074D4438C8 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRE0090H57UCW30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:57:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:57:29 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac6W7bsgxMA7kb3XSUGpZlKbsni7YA== Subject: [TR] Standard Triumph Hardware Catalog Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I happened to be away from home today and needed to find out the length of a bolt for the '3 project. Did a google search and found: http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml=xhtml/catalogue/appendix.html&category= hardware&xsl=catalogue.xsl (I tried tinyurl but the site was down) The pdf on my computer is ok but you can actually read the sizes on this site. Enjoy NFI Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 11 19:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF23A44968 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F9B4494E for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w20so4433107lbh.19 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:49:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=0R0LjAlZ/ZvNiaeAF3DrOlsZFunB1p86YVAW9VzmR8k=; b=ALwP/sPXuLVlGv08zW9ARkUD/lXQ7DqPh+Ht5VcRaU4ZOK3eT0CDpr1TBggz4moT9E gnvFuhtOS6Itb+UVf6Iz+oNek0UZcJvildEHA0xnXEQWPRCV980y/nmu9aB5VmTAM1dQ aUHvScKSDEAq0qhpuMKE9DVEZNsyl/HSnd/kuRQj4NW5QbR6kOs615/X6gcj5LM8JHV3 Rmvi2TIICahmIrKjL9jjL20Xy5caPGEZyW4tEs1T5KDcRyo1NfNsUPXoZ3ybjBzpfvIf he6Fs5NFTrlj2uA1CYy+31zFKXVAw5bQOvE7sNEVPdUX76cHV1mBaK9c1QYgJ19gWvT/ JsZA== x7mr10471884laj.28.1376272144171; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:48:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376173788.39100.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1376254715.22305.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:48:43 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes - I believe it was yellow. Besides - if you were at Waynesboro last year - you'd be the only TR3 with a TR2 grille! As I recall - that is quite a car! I plan to be back this year - hopefully with a few friends from the Triumph Club of the Carolinas. Chris On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > maybe that was my car. was it bright yellow by chance? > my car 58 TR3 TS41366L > is a TR3A. > I took a TR3 grill and welded up the little holes for the TR3 > grill. > then I put the TR2 chrome cast grill on the back and there I have it. a > TR2 look-a-like. > > everything fit just like it was supposed to. > > > > From: > William Brewer > To: Triumphs > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:29 PM > Subject: [TR] TR2/3 Aprons > > > Are > TR2 and TR3 aprons the same except for the grill placement? > I > recently saw > a TR3A with what appeared to be a TR2 front apron (with the grill > set inside). > Just curious if you can fit a TR2 grill inside a TR3 smallmouth > apron and make > it look like a TR2. > > Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 12:14:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88064040A for ; 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Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFDF403B2 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id db10so6050827veb.0 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HMsO8n6yZIJYC85FrylLOJUpiGi62WIwDMLde5UO2os=; b=kmzc49i3vHi724t3PPOTn3RK+87EURhADSBvvrzjlbVebY5vYltwi+VAr5wkGS7BG7 PQoBO/d6E0yFss7zaoYhYMGqZbG68GS2rnjX0oxOIQAjysXZTeI6YCq/2HLISPdTKEjy 2GSyM2RBZGwJVqOuIl34+YzFe+o+aK/2Vg3PvQSakrcO7JjNQDUbB3IR5kzgiWTuxfYI 81YgSiwP54VgOF7XvpIrfr1e9FISUXcfjWVj081vriAlvlkGtceqOuudzOlaSUGZtLfA cXKBhB23c4VaN7e3S8ZZjAjgbwNQSrpXIhDW10wOkzOJ+jOWAd/KxGrqCD80+xfx2Dtj E1qg== to10mr422406vcb.22.1376334911295; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376331067.86893.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:15:11 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: john doe Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] tr6 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For the curious: TR6 from Sandy Mr Doe -- I may have a jaded view of human nature but when a listing says "WE DID NOT TRY TO START THE CAR" I assume that it does not run or has significant issues. Guess it would matter greatly whether it was flooded with fresh water or salt water though my impression of Sandy from 2000 miles away is that the latter is likely the case. Geo On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM, john doe wrote: > There's a tr6 for sale on ebay where its description says its a disaster > from super storm sandy I know i''''''''''''ve seen this car before its in > the ny area anyone know who the po is I want to ask a few questions before > I bid > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 17:33:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DEB429BC for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AA742822 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2013 23:32:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2013 23:32:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2013 23:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 36558 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2013 23:32:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376350367; bh=KICicapUNn2eIYyw2BCX1/O3CRA6cPmXAMLDS/VYmCI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vmfcBX4UJzauGsc9dWCrelwEY9ZNBMr8S1RMMmsIfTa0OwUzwNs5dnTsYOWJOlhnneXGG0eZ9iVqEsWimKa2SUbcxr9GN2evH92sAsFzRM9k444Ae6tLIlDCQN+razFAYhWAk85ZI5KCYfK6Tg1j7cf+MTefMbiTEZG9U0R48qk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GR8zDSyskZUY32sRTNH3dVU6IoDvjFwWmjdz3D3N6DFcnTowz3dRvR6ddWOi/RTPQbvuTbXw3++lxnhQ97gMsfEoEUZZ3ruL1UhLml5j3uoBq4cyBVy+g5Jg9wZwIxQK1ciQBZiA/rp3P/k0JCymnetoaLunr1ba/BVa34DKLY8=; uRa.wOfv.FU7lbBOJVbtl2Ie6B8Sh5Cxaf9396SjuEX.LDaAY6zflx3alaQs MvNuoFmgd.4PeYKmsyMX7AGMBrtaqzGd93IpCKikhyWJ.u8Ei0s_7Nqx3mGN JyMrktqsS2th1pYPz5XBw0mkTk7I84ch.uZEDZnbTlp0egPi.6oyTPW.ZRug O_LCl4jpqNANoB2ybZCxEf5sKKqF4csonQURbYyTV.VVAG7sUVVwqo2FWpiH XlXqZm2Uljt.L2Y8j_bBMkIidJ_wkE8rwxZ2WZMLYlNFm9TRcxbBIbe4CAMJ ae9d0YTwYZB6ZR1AbJm.UI_o8FuxS3mzDBu7yZDE4wEp0ylXR7.JI4XbRujO On1qod32RK0oDJu5AEn27.JNBrBMthT52P_H9icfMD9Q8tgh1rYp8Tw.J7.2 gmcYOj1sg.SWnaI0DO1DKF1wqq76SUiXWZgRAutR2csUKc8q6_eIjzNBK5sU 1FsfEjRsmBQt5tdnlXUD114HNXaHxSxZn8WCBl9kRsjKMqXk1RTIF5ZHMA8s k0Z1RRCQs8U5Kdjz4ap6ulAH_dpeM8g-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:32:47 PDT d29uZGVyaW5nIGlmIHRoZSBsaXN0IGlzIGRvd24_CmhhdmUgcmVjZWl2ZWQgbm8gbWVzc2FnZXMgbGFzdCBzZXZlcmFsIGRheXMKCmdhcnkgbi4KATABAQEB Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] no messages last 3-4 days Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net wondering if the list is down? have received no messages last several days gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 17:51:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A684E429F7 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8E742836 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F149CA1906 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:50:15 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1376350367.29219.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] no messages last 3-4 days Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary Nafziger wrote: > wondering if the list is down? > have received no messages last several days > > If you check the archives ( link below ) you'll see that there have indeed been messages to the list over the weekend. I'll refrain from personal comments regarding yahoo mail. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 18:04:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16ED42275 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759364293E for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.101.255.163]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRF00LP2ZZJUH20@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:59:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:59:43 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac6Xt16wQsJjHM1oSOaqvhKrNUXesw== Subject: [TR] TR3 O/D Transmission issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Everything buttoned up and ready to go but I have a weeping leak at the O/D adaptor plate. probably a couple oz. in a week. Just enough to christen the garage floor if I hadn't put down a catch pan. Tightened all bolts - no joy. I really don't want to pull it, but.... any ideas? thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 18:34:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C6D42275 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40634400AD for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:28:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id C0UP1m00653lu50010UQAj; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:28:25 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <1376331067.86893.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:26:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] tr6 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I see a lot of rust in a lot of places. the interior looks to me like its been flooded. the engine is all rust. I think its already bid up too high. -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:15 PM To: john doe Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] tr6 for sale For the curious: TR6 from Sandy Mr Doe -- I may have a jaded view of human nature but when a listing says "WE DID NOT TRY TO START THE CAR" I assume that it does not run or has significant issues. Guess it would matter greatly whether it was flooded with fresh water or salt water though my impression of Sandy from 2000 miles away is that the latter is likely the case. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 18:34:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2445A42790 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C00400AD for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRG00DPS1C81GW3@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:28:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: , "''Triumphs''" References: <006801ce97b8$046297f0$0d27c7d0$@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 O/D Transmission issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net :-(... no way around it short of smearing a crap load of silicone all over it...and sooner than later it'll seep out around it anyway Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:59 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 O/D Transmission issues > Everything buttoned up and ready to go but I have a weeping leak at the > O/D > adaptor plate. probably a couple oz. in a week. Just enough to christen > the garage floor if I hadn't put down a catch pan. Tightened all bolts - > no joy. I really don't want to pull it, but.... > > > > any ideas? > > > > thanks > > Carl > > 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 18:42:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124A842795 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A317842749 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:42:44 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WHiUGhwJBLnAN20KLmxWzHefKRhvbOgkBFkt3RR7IncwhgXzmdBOZQyrloyXnplr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.222.156.32] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V92h9-00029x-Dx for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:42:43 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:42:51 -0600 Subject: [TR] Filing chromed metal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Question b whatbs the safest way to trim metal around a bolt hole through a flat chromed part? I purchased a new bumper bar for the TR4A. The bolt holes for mounting the brackets to the bumper bar are not the same shape as the bolt heads, which have 2 flats to hold the bolt from turning. Either I file the hole, or the bolt head. Mechanically itbs the hole that should be improved but I donbt want to risk creating a long-term corrosion spot. thanks for any advice. Cliff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 19:21:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C9840E97 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9473406A7 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRG00GEH3HV5NU1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:15:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "Cliff Hansen" , "list Triumph" References: <19AB8C0305F44B1881F03CF7902FE61A@Shemp> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:15:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Filing chromed metal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If it's a matter of reducing a square shank under the bolt head...to fit the chromed part hole, I'd grind the bolt. BUT.... the bare metal of the ground bolt can start rusting and effect the chrome bumper part. Same goes for the reverse. Enlarging the part hole to match the bolt leaves the edge of the metal exposed. A dab of paint can protect the chromed part.... but as grand dad always said... If you must, ALWAYS modify the cheapest most readily replaceable part first. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: [TR] Filing chromed metal > Listers, > > Question b whatbs the safest way to trim metal around a bolt hole > through > a flat chromed part? > > I purchased a new bumper bar for the TR4A. The bolt holes for mounting > the > brackets to the bumper bar are not the same shape as the bolt heads, which > have 2 flats to hold the bolt from turning. Either I file the hole, or > the > bolt head. Mechanically itbs the hole that should be improved but I > donbt > want to risk creating a long-term corrosion spot. thanks for any advice. > > Cliff > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 21:39:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DB1429C4 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE1742756 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:38:25 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ESNWjIDh6BcA:10 a=bKdLbr5YdyYgY_0MRKoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Xwpcbd202mcA:10 a=Tay5ZX98IZMA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=paYupiQQgAEOx-qqMK8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:55179] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FA/9A-05415-03AA9025; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:38:24 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:38:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6X1orN6Sgo0UyfSCWHktj5X1dc3g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Many years ago there was a thread about replacement light bulbs for the dash gauges. I searched the archives but I didn't find anything that looked familiar. The bulbs were LEDs, not incandescent, as I recall. The folks who did it swore by it. Anybody do this change and know what bulb numbers they were? Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 22:12:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC0442752 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C16EA40321 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6203 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2013 04:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailchannelsproxy3.unifiedlayer.com) (66.147.243.72) by roproxy2.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 04:12:04 -0000 {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Received: from just64.justhost.com (just64.justhost.com [173.254.28.64]) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/4.8.85); Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:12:04 GMT Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=55978 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V95nr-0001tV-TR; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:01:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:01:49 -0500 To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net,"''Triumphs''" From: Tony Drews References: <006801ce97b8$046297f0$0d27c7d0$@verizon.net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 O/D Transmission issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the OD was apart, it's possible that the safety wire is in a spot where it interferes with the seal. Tony D At 06:59 PM 8/12/2013, CFM-TR wrote: >Everything buttoned up and ready to go but I have a weeping leak at the O/D >adaptor plate. probably a couple oz. in a week. Just enough to christen >the garage floor if I hadn't put down a catch pan. Tightened all bolts - >no joy. I really don't want to pull it, but.... > > > >any ideas? > > > >thanks > >Carl > >1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > >http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > >Tampa, Florida > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 12 22:25:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A23D42753 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:25:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9917642753 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id p13so6325415vbe.19 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:24:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dnUfgVgDEB2kY29h6sWB+GmRuN2TbO8z2+mH1yg+Y2Q=; b=yq8A2o5lCE3HJVAKAyQ6FIlntFSI9ynMxUq9yqzlqTM19n9TLSCMgkd+9ajrj31l0w z3RFe4ubDLcoxo4kvvn6fMtC8stXnCBKO/CLEvXqxYqikBSkNS8fjyzj1y9El0M3fqMg iTWcLeiY6pvQA21yU5Fp+XD2rkj0E2pnRILbRARgRQNBr7DEck/kJl5Z9JNe4FjI5kp5 1erM78/XxKHJpEJOEku/JFHaMW2H36jnOovaVjnjfulhNrXqhjD8brE47B1UJ4eWrnM2 15QTJsMfEaOz3ukUTYhncEVV3wliYuUvvrqwi48uQS4yNt47RPOwLwpp+7SLHTZLl15v kPjQ== Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.132 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:24:49 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Cc: sujit roy Subject: [TR] rear lights parts do other triumph use these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Im sorting out a pair of rear lights on a Triumph and am wondering if other triumphs beside the stag have these things in the rear lights. They are the reflector parts which where once silver lined. As you can see one is melted. http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/joyita_sujit/media/IMG_20130812_195515.jpg. html Thanks, Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 03:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F3B40572 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B24054F for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781eb2.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.30.178]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MRG00435RPINW70@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:57:57 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Subject: Re: [TR] rear lights parts do other triumph use these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net These are unique to the Stag, although some other cars use similar parts. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 8/13/2013 12:24 AM, Sujit Roy wrote: > Im sorting out a pair of rear lights on a Triumph and am wondering if > other triumphs beside the stag have these things in the rear lights. They > are the reflector parts which where once silver lined. > > As you can see one is melted. > > > > http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/joyita_sujit/media/IMG_20130812_195515.jpg. > html > > > > Thanks, Sujit > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 04:29:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B8340687 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B9F40398 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fq13so5697034lab.11 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:29:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=suTTmPW56uX6K+MSogqIvRPkJCxEfzrsC4+jA5NLSus=; b=u/svRkgJwp9gbRi+hk/yr+QT9g6nsOIOsNxI2jvsCGG+klU2/B/U4rsX5WSbGUUEW9 rUnC5FsOU3pF9wL5cymNJ2pSB9BQUUTR68X2/6atDFeK86d2t7uYx3xEG5lq9mruwQ3r ThqDk4Sje6rJgXV9jZkJM9I+mJNIcCCO+zEZJqc+zeNxPTOVl/e7S1K9SOw/qLlYvCaN yIq9lD7UAQDdtQPrCI4NNgFkw4wYlWfbQXnI7bDd+pxW6w6/5DqMctTGBcqNdjdJenh4 Zas2P/2m3ed/sVR8nTyIMo4yBIh6VmdnP7snlhFyG56yt+pQII0sfcsKo7HxTKBqNtpU Kc+w== c6mr3037238lbf.1.1376389748983; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:29:08 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] rear lights parts do other triumph use these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My tr6 has similar reflectors. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 06:58:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F3942754 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A314053D for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CBDV1m0050SCNGk51Cs2Pe; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:02 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CCs21m00m2ymm843VCs2Rr; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:02 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net s=q20121106; t=1376398322; bh=ZPFCC5jscEL8Bhz0Tq4YEWNZNj6sA1MdF34OJLxE26U=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b8FlRrTgfXLkgUEOp4bl+TlNQtNn9nQg+wmDNaV+IEqAQVkjgohA+KMvHReF/h0Ew otUNR6H0HHoT7Bvogi8G4ZUMMDY9pYH+0KxgZmZnmwTefBrEV5JwnNxcBmGnRYP5qh LlVMhPdWrBAEt9SkzFG2gIEYmVWV0q3oS7jEGUWklWMNAJITGtI5S0dFbnfAkYEtl5 fggoLy4fT8iOODSQRulBJ/fhTi0Q0L70Quk5kNxR4QSGl7JuA2PusUKsGPKa+E0vvD t5SrOyG0qDSONUe4nm1zQ8hpC/tqhWNbutIqMefs63D2+UkxM9DmAxG46qYqlWQ8eb idPxlP9Lzoniw== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 O/D Transmission issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can try to use enough (Insert gasket sealer of your choice here) or purchase a replacement adapter which is heavier, stiffer, more robustB in an attempt to alleviate the problem of the original design. Quantu mechanics stocks them. Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "CFM-TR" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:59:43 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 O/D Transmission issues Everything buttoned up and ready to go but I have a weeping leak at the O/D adaptor plate. B probably a couple oz. in a week. B Just enough to christen the garage floor if I hadn't put down a catch pan. B Tightened all bolts - no joy. B I really don't want to pull it, but.... B any ideas? B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 09:06:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770864297D for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8827F42765 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id GTbq1jdb1psZz61Z for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:05:20 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:05:20 -0700 Thread-Topic: Brighter Dash Lights Thread-Index: Ac6YNeRS84AQkOgIQxerZDdK/9IM8w== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know it's a little commercial, but you asked about where to get LED dash lights. We just added 170-970 for the screw in bulbs. They cannot be used everywhere - like in the red charging indicator - and they are not dimable. But they are brighter. We working on getting them on the web with pix, but not yet. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 09:37:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009E540414 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48E4039F for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 15:35:29 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 15:35:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 15:35:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376408128; bh=jI/Q3I7Kq0ILq+9BuvSarG7ALTlgfbqXBLeJVVgVqPk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-reply-to:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=nHuhoXmsqLp/fygS3Y/2qI2gwQfGizD+q0lP0sUU8OP0MaiW11LcV+oCADiv/ib96SGfudj0Qa5Mk1hewNqqa67mRnAH1N+K12PENLHQG2po7DULQ1y8+Kdr40AttcApDwtq1W7AjXQ36ofA6zdBGO8c7EFo3qM4n34lgsnIZ44= 5CvA6cdwb5Fsq71SUbtf3cD8PuX2ZQHk5r.pPuP8DTLllgF1FquJaBV.ywzN alCr39F7w2SuP1V6h9atDbE.fsl9ziuYJF7bQG.zyKI0OfMIkNgLSY3_NBCh XdUVXMHMdO_MH_ABuj441vStIlWaY956dZxnUdkGVvDW8MA9.4mmlWHn3IgJ Qn5JDxDsNYL40noSW_Dw4PgQvYFgUnbN2WpWGMWs1FcBsqzajQQIKlcaNSbP EbqlfJbghfLPD_ql4_.udSuRMUjOQ5tcMgc3jknlm_sH4yyoUc4lQdNulW3P QaKrwH.CB.ETM9YEzN4VDLsPGdUYQWX.SvErEX0PzLb6EoG5wuOYbaup_j9A UsJpUZINq3bffL3vA1Cip1VA4R2tm2wqmq2k4sUpchxNKmV_u4wLdVF38i6U 6R_jw4LkgBbjE_7s_gzcr3LG4aw7BDKxhEJRYm5gMotFG01seAmCGu2zlhHJ cEkDO5v7xWFV5gDY8BLl9SIDIbNJg5mfLE2eoUCmQT_yGolf4b2EU.h6_LGf _iHD1QEAyKQN35nH2QxRLrEIIebP_4Pt58p270rQQxV.jk_7g7HtW34tdBlL ftiFIsGRQzL225YbbQNa6AFYBwQwPV.Jz5sJ1P5t7VSeIs9Y06LsRA.1VZGI - smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 15:35:28 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Pete Arakelian'" , References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188BAEC4C02@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:35:19 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6YNeRS84AQkOgIQxerZDdK/9IM8wABBtNQ Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, That part number does not come up on your site using the search box. Do you have a projection for availability and costs? Thx, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pete Arakelian Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:05 AM To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights I know it's a little commercial, but you asked about where to get LED dash lights. We just added 170-970 for the screw in bulbs. They cannot be used everywhere - like in the red charging indicator - and they are not dimable. But they are brighter. We working on getting them on the web with pix, but not yet. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 10:57:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31A9403B9 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A99A40321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ha11so4041228vcb.21 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:51:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6uDty9WNNo1vPS5MwbtajbolAiFsQKdJqIctt54kTK8=; b=qeGrdP4IjzarB36ayT3Rm/iRBzQyPf5x0/Q8yVbJwia8/ca/qU0+tIdL9SnwtoH6FU Vxj+AbFekp+X2xZyUm53lZ1KlkLCfesKz/GfMBrfjFOO05sK0cpwgcQZkPwEen6OBRX0 CXlPW4oMHNzNs8pncKxJmJUjS8GJSidyw+HGMe8GH5O3++TAMXNXZ+ZYfrlHsx6EEQFF oJs9CXjyQlz+iK6fE9fjp1dyfMyaD16Hg9bj2sCEMa3epJwIQiIeG+kkzYwYrMy9giJR xP+T8/iWzYCLqkKB7gz1JqMixQWMdsFmWvo6XLdQFelipXjQES5TqfHQMEU53JEjBtie l+kA== ru3mr1799226vcb.33.1376412685632; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.132 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:51:25 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:51:25 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] rear lights parts do other triumph use these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, are these parts available new from any suppliers? Sujit On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > My tr6 has similar reflectors. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphstag@gmail.com > -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 14:23:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26AB40356 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE4340329 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 20:16:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 20:16:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 20:16:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 31134 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2013 20:16:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376425003; bh=lKsvFCNZxSvCybYMzZDwyffvOpQNgP6pEbl7fatctyE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WCUm7fwIYHmzWYtGAxfsD/SNeQ2V3q1Z5/RH8y6OmXQHRvDfBzh1ROdqFGEvW+t4gZyJdMmEAA/Xa6T16llou7/fw4ubjX8mlj0B2/MTGAK0REbESHAfBaI0rcwS0Whr4b99r7a7StiOUPJHdGFZASRbGTQhhrwz4MM+cDFSe/Y= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r/S32B+AdeMNc30O2P5JlURg9+DvbgAu23Rxg/bGW1Ds7Y4x0fYw4wFIMuMhzgm/uZlhOkQk+QMvDBr4VVJC3zGVPiihL9sENUboFt+5q0wSy52V8gKxyZbzDny6PyMHeTZIF1/L2UJNm+O/zu/WDx4aMICvqQbhWLTwc/067Jo=; 1AOsjGKZjNDiQi4gLpzfdTO6TE_TcYXxlXQy5LikpHnYZr_viy_fal0AQoNG ll7CCZl0dE7XcmOY6ArsvD4fMEt.M.WHg6wVJ0XvK7VE5jJdsMI1RSwQ1BuX wn3UY5MIuhtE2wwZIfkY5G9owQiBULBCHFRM5wpBW_Ric_kkEg39L3zODBFQ 8VUhoR7D.rapKD3JGOEkgRWqvonjrJgPhBbT9AYV8uhRRYF7Ta.JyXlY_1W. W1tXjIqniokUIck3agz3MNpCyPnYp8r_y11ShhUlCAgHqjmdnivxT19jhTrD .BrZ9t.Le6yEdlzgJ4l7vYUBSSOrca2hDiDMP.Xh.UyPT1WlxDcZlhzZ7cIf l5.Ah.DT1ThU.GKcW5.TjLF.ymTLyGOPklk9INQCgyV3.jwwENe0teod_PS1 8D9HQdpneOgRla_cbsUypErIv2WK3uyes0nKYZacAlAe9ffqvqyzRBbYQ2oz eWPWAOxn6jb6oYchQsX8YULz4grn9XRB6kEju._sVNoAFAFXm3s16ccpR_YD WedBLTp70bDYcmhxL5bAAQBKv_66rGQ-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:16:43 PDT T2sgZm91bmQgbGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlcyBpbiBteSBzcGFtIGZvbGRlci7CoCBEdW5ubyB3aHkgSSBkaWRuJ3QgdGhpbmsgb2YgdGhhdCBiZWZvcmUuCnRoaW5rIEkgaGF2ZSBpdCBzb2x2ZWQKdGhhbmtzIQpnYXJ5IG4uCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] emails last 3-4 days Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok found list messages in my spam folder. Dunno why I didn't think of that before. think I have it solved thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 17:42:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB023403BB for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A83940321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CF5f1m0031uE5Es56PgwdY; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:40:56 +0000 Received: from LaptopDell ([50.147.141.203]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CPgv1m00f4PWRrm3cPgwDt; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:40:56 +0000 From: "Tim Tucker" To: "'John Finlayson'" , References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:40:53 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6YfoxjWGGbyD9fTve8YRkJedGPgQ== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1376437256; bh=lu0fXRoGHqGxrjjinGzh1x1/UdtGt5G2RfBSOoh+xwg=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=sc3MWsj5GLofZlIY0zNbQJFKRlXbbP/AeIsr+gwMnRr9Ye5Ur3Ou1Gu68zu6Zs7vJ JlqE4MO9d4FwbZ1EzLV8ZVmjgb4DBqkgUB1pc3qgINtqv9/UtJQ4LTx8MR/UCMCQD7 YgGc9a2EjppJuy3iImyWsRt2mdcULN9B8S90tbvJucRByXNiVHYRINw4Z6EPRj99yl mPLnU3FcwYUvx9U7LtzZ4WjHtkWnEvcDCTD32JQu0k5z9WVLf1TK1bEK87WscP3rrb 3dAppRLZy50YvJf7T7P+fvSoGpzXMVy4brPtbimLpqArZJBX5PcPO78t5uko9OVlbZ A8AAvLKZDC48g== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph Bendix Radio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found this: http://www.vintagetriumphregister.org/forum/index.php?topic=1052.0 hope it helps. I have a 5BTRP Tim >Re: Triumph Bendix Radio >< Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 02:16:34 PM > >Thanks to all. Problem solved. Polarity switch position is UP for positive ground. First thing I did was mark the case so it's never in doubt. > >John Finlayson >'62 TR4 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Finlayson Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:58 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Triumph Bendix Radio I have a 1967 Triumph radio, manufactured by Bendix. The model number is 7BTRX. On the left side of the case near the rear is a polarity switch. Does anyone know which way the switch should be set for positive ground, up or down? There is no indication on the radio which way to set it and I don't want to apply power till I know which way to set it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks John Finlayson _______________________________________________ Triumphs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/timtucker@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 20:48:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B983403DA for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B301240396 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:48:32 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=crBjiMMkIyYA:10 a=i4pQ109_NtcQj973M0EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=YRFf4FHlkn0A:10 a=m6djdLU_V38A:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:55482] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FF/53-09254-EFFEA025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 02:48:31 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Pete Arakelian'" , References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188BAEC4C02@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:48:23 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6YNeRS84AQkOgIQxerZDdK/9IM8wAYoiiQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking for a replacement for Moss 171-000. I don't find that on your website, nor the 170-970. Thanks Johnnie > > I know it's a little commercial, but you asked about where to get LED > dash lights. > We just added 170-970 for the screw in bulbs. They cannot be used > everywhere > - like in the red charging indicator - and they are not dimable. > But they are brighter. > We working on getting them on the web with pix, but not yet. > > Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 21:06:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5209403D0 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF9F40321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:06:29 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=crBjiMMkIyYA:10 a=cTr6bwdcAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=dfk_A44LJYd_mKds478A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:56129] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 95/CE-05415-434FA025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:06:28 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: , References: <000001ce97d6$8b6e72f0$a24b58d0$@rr.com> <000501ce97e5$904d67e0$b0e837a0$@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:06:22 -0700 Thread-Index: AQG2RZgSSjwlkrk4xPfRXxkJd1n4nZnDP6mwgAFouuA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm. The only dash lights I find at Litezupp are green ones. I'm driving a Triumph, not a Honda Civic. Johnnie > > Check out Litezupp http://www.litezupp.com/ > > Carl > 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > Tampa, FL > > > Many years ago there was a thread about replacement light bulbs for the > dash gauges. I searched the archives but I didn't find anything that > looked familiar. The bulbs were LEDs, not incandescent, as I recall. > The folks who did it swore by it. > > Anybody do this change and know what bulb numbers they were? > > Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 22:25:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F7B403E6 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4418403BB for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:24:54 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=crBjiMMkIyYA:10 a=76gHusYoAAAA:8 a=9Bj6iYZtAAAA:8 a=g-LOANtsAAAA:20 a=apkSpJ11AAAA:20 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=cTr6bwdcAAAA:8 a=l6VtqEQyAJABulgb_I8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=pDZmP-wtRt8A:10 a=VBHA2RNRVcgA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:59264] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FD/8D-02415-C860B025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 04:24:44 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , References: <000001ce97d6$8b6e72f0$a24b58d0$@rr.com><000501ce97e5$904d67e0$b0e837a0$@verizon.net> <004601ce989b$41985c20$c4c91460$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:24:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The lucas dash lights in old TRs, MGs, and Healeys, as well as probably most other british stuff from the 50s and 60s, use what is called an E10 screw base, if you google E10 LED you will get some options like this: http://www.ledlight.com/e10-screw-base-auto-led-lights.aspx http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm Couple things to remember, most if not all LEDs are polarity sensitive, if made for cars they will probably be negative, ground, they are also more directional, and a flashlight or spotlight type LED may not give you the soft even glow you are looking for for dash lights, but they make multiple light leds that shine in different directions, as well as lenses that diffuse the light, also the shape may differ and the wider or longer ones will probably not fit in your instrument light housing, I went with some higher watt incandescents from LBCARCO for the dash lights, and an LED for my turn signal indicator, which I could never see on a bright sunny day before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs (before) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero (after) Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "John & Pat Donnelly" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:06 PM To: ; Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights > Hmmm. The only dash lights I find at Litezupp are green ones. I'm driving > a > Triumph, not a Honda Civic. > Johnnie > >> >> Check out Litezupp http://www.litezupp.com/ >> >> Carl >> 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO >> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ >> Tampa, FL >> >> >> Many years ago there was a thread about replacement light bulbs for the >> dash gauges. I searched the archives but I didn't find anything that >> looked familiar. The bulbs were LEDs, not incandescent, as I recall. >> The folks who did it swore by it. >> >> Anybody do this change and know what bulb numbers they were? >> >> Johnnie > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 22:40:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC9D403EB for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7884009B for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:40:07 -0600 (MDT) a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:17 a=6htYASBar5sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=crBjiMMkIyYA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=76gHusYoAAAA:8 a=9Bj6iYZtAAAA:8 a=g-LOANtsAAAA:20 a=apkSpJ11AAAA:20 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=cTr6bwdcAAAA:8 a=zmS6zmsPdY3oVjKAB_sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=pDZmP-wtRt8A:10 a=VBHA2RNRVcgA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=mjOTKp/PtVTUFgI+1ai7rw==:117 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:59566] helo=livingroompc) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9E/F1-18705-42A0B025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 04:40:04 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <000001ce97d6$8b6e72f0$a24b58d0$@rr.com><000501ce97e5$904d67e0$b0e837a0$@verizon.net><004601ce989b$41985c20$c4c91460$@rr.com> <629F638BDA7A4DE38869E219DAC911E0@livingroompc> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:40:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net PS, with such riveting stuff on my youtube channel I cannot fathom why I am not getting millions of hits and royalties yet.......... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Lemon" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:24 PM To: "John & Pat Donnelly" ; Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights > The lucas dash lights in old TRs, MGs, and Healeys, as well as probably > most other british stuff from the 50s and 60s, use what is called an E10 > screw base, if you google E10 LED you will get some options like this: > > http://www.ledlight.com/e10-screw-base-auto-led-lights.aspx > > http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm > > Couple things to remember, most if not all LEDs are polarity sensitive, if > made for cars they will probably be negative, ground, they are also more > directional, and a flashlight or spotlight type LED may not give you the > soft even glow you are looking for for dash lights, but they make multiple > light leds that shine in different directions, as well as lenses that > diffuse the light, also the shape may differ and the wider or longer ones > will probably not fit in your instrument light housing, I went with some > higher watt incandescents from LBCARCO for the dash lights, and an LED for > my turn signal indicator, which I could never see on a bright sunny day > before. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs (before) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero (after) > > Greg Lemon > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John & Pat Donnelly" > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:06 PM > To: ; > Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights > >> Hmmm. The only dash lights I find at Litezupp are green ones. I'm driving >> a >> Triumph, not a Honda Civic. >> Johnnie >> >>> >>> Check out Litezupp http://www.litezupp.com/ >>> >>> Carl >>> 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO >>> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ >>> Tampa, FL >>> >>> >>> Many years ago there was a thread about replacement light bulbs for the >>> dash gauges. I searched the archives but I didn't find anything that >>> looked familiar. The bulbs were LEDs, not incandescent, as I recall. >>> The folks who did it swore by it. >>> >>> Anybody do this change and know what bulb numbers they were? >>> >>> Johnnie >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 22:49:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B9C403CF for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5234009B for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ro12so8816733pbb.41 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:44:39 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=ttnsMV1CEoa0sejwZWXXg+0xKU252QR2wdboJoYvGiA=; b=YvOgeDMfsDlx8cCE6cg/rX46HVKqscR4rBeUxF0f71q2+chalziQl8qnSEAJehIq50 rqH/6S7MIkowkXfRYiMXOuzplhZm9jRuTKnKUtq60zpTIpR3UCVoN9hlee8JCZAECsYz c1QXz0kd73E+ydvdkz04tw7vI0PqrkHFXs3jTBMVwogYsox3DZ/8RqpNKcTu6JYuWM4Y xOBPq8pYiCIaf7TMmpT/G3OQr/8kVF0sKKNT80kw5trhf9zLUYk9V3UZhOWAlh0ssyTP d6sievoQpKrI4FEKg8HQ3D0DuHAUpPNDRsLBDsViKP4lVvgZvAUGZyYVVBlEWikyU28A RPMA== zz4mr7731541pac.48.1376455479689; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (122-59-245-167.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.59.245.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fk4sm50555012pab.23.2013.08.13.21.44.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:44:48 +1200 Thread-Index: Ac6YqQG42E1qGjRdTMqlsPIxeT47Xg== Subject: [TR] Car has swollen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 1962 TR4 has swollen to almost three times its size. Probably because I have taken it apart to fix a niggling chassis problem. My friend talked sense into me, he said now that you have gotten this far you might as well go the whole hog and fix the chassis problem. Everything is off except that I can't get the trunnion washers off the trunnion splines. The washers were new about 6 years ago and had to be drilled out to get them to fit onto the splines without breaking the pin. I can't get my puller on to them, so maybe heat or leverage. Anyone else had this problem? Jim and the TR4 in bits. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 06:45:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC3A40321 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836184006F for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 06:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Caex1m0030ldTLk55ciLqK; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:42:20 +0000 Received: from [10.244.202.198] ([174.237.8.131]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Cci91m0032pdmnA01ciBLH; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:42:18 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?SmltIFZhc3NpbGlhZGlz?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:42:16 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1376484140; bh=gvN/nSyaPEIwx5/FRwCsmfD7Kv8EPvZh+2wupEtsFGU=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P9UfHPi+Cwv4pXi5oua5TvkpbSVhF5gSm3bsNslu74eDINE7LzART5RCJRTRV+iEr y6gkzZZAEoLLRWGUSYxdkrmbOKjonf0YHBtzMSOTqzgbmMFX0TM2dR3cM4pvQUKuGF 34B8ipjOYPk8lyWnbZBFWWUwgFDgAfLJ/3jxELPC74Ib6/ocge70Drkz1ryteqQuun xzSODf4Ybzy4KOz+Hpjqj9zyhXx1PwGi+hvcoHLdJFc6bT1Ewqw1c9hvMsqN+8LGLn OqHUgvNvgA1a526OWbdQwXf9pR2Ehv20DawYtkmwRQIWdQNi4Cc0vUIElQMsDkXHds 9YOi07fkvxjTw== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Car_has_swollen?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like shipwrights disease. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Subject: [TR] Car has swollen Date: Tue, Aug 13, 2013 11:44 pm My 1962 TR4 has swollen to almost three times its size. Probably because I have taken it apart to fix a niggling chassis problem. My friend talked sense into me, he said now that you have gotten this far you might as well go the whole hog and fix the chassis problem. Everything is off except that I can't get the trunnion washers off the trunnion splines. The washers were new about 6 years ago and had to be drilled out to get them to fit onto the splines without breaking the pin. I can't get my puller on to them, so maybe heat or leverage. Anyone else had this problem? Jim and the TR4 in bits. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 08:32:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9038403DB for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E978640323 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id 3CZROCFvoMyexwan; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:32:02 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: 'John & Pat Donnelly' , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:32:01 -0700 Thread-Topic: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Thread-Index: Ac6YNeRS84AQkOgIQxerZDdK/9IM8wAYoiiQABiIaJA= References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188BAEC4C02@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <004501ce9898$bf2113b0$3d633b10$@rr.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 170-970 is not yet on the web - they just came in. Art department is preparing for photos, etc... For the time being you will need to call it in 800-MOSS-USA. 171-000, standard bulb, is on the web. At least it came up when I entered the part number this AM. Peter -----Original Message----- From: John & Pat Donnelly [mailto:pdonnel1@san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:48 PM To: Pete Arakelian; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights I'm looking for a replacement for Moss 171-000. I don't find that on your website, nor the 170-970. Thanks Johnnie > > I know it's a little commercial, but you asked about where to get LED > dash lights. > We just added 170-970 for the screw in bulbs. They cannot be used > everywhere > - like in the red charging indicator - and they are not dimable. > But they are brighter. > We working on getting them on the web with pix, but not yet. > > Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 10:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F97403F2 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1264C403DA for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CfpZ1m0031bwxycA8gqHkz; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:50:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CgqF1m00r3NmwNy8egqG56; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:50:16 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:50:15 -0700 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1376499017; bh=ffkfgFSN3YEXziX0sSzikXucUWlERHb4wFMKM47ROvU=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=Nodmc61Ad51j7aTov7UxGRSV+hk+2BttN8KZxnqyae8eHHr4E6ykCqHSWKxlgVKy/ 8FqQIJ6P/uOw+ZHZyikuq1OwVT62wBPpTLq01Pw2lfbi0Ppv+VkHHH2R+1snWUwnd0 E8YGKylMPzr2HFZmno7ZEQWXKu/nzeFaJPO4BdF34h2qYOWTsL489g4BWhvSlJg6ad 0ZsC63EV0RzmJWUUKTB19zmcet1IwUZwBPMkrE0pEsFkFOLudkuChvAgcm4Tp1FCap WqGTX8CMsBxM40yOJhflMZ/e/6Eoz4fJ8z3xXivQckBCcMUTBkxsWSJ4329eOJz7Eq /BlR8vV2/pbTQ== Subject: [TR] Crazy Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had to change the distributor on the 1970 TR6, car runs great but the Tachometer went "Whacko" ! pulled the cable off the distributor, and can easily turn the inner cable by hand b& anyone have any ideas?? Thanks for your time "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 13:15:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992D40448 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A3240444 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kVOaCsUdvzEA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=SaiicPkMAz8xu516iIgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:34037] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 0F/E0-15971-E17DB025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:14:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:14:38 +0000 From: Randall To: TR3/6 , William Pugh Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Crazy Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- William Pugh wrote: > I had to change the distributor on the 1970 TR6, car runs great but the > Tachometer went "Whacko" ! pulled the cable off the distributor, and can > easily turn the inner cable by hand b& anyone have any ideas?? First thing to check is that the inner cable isn't protruding too far. Some cables are made wrong, or there might be something stuck in the hole inside your new dizzy. Also look for oil contamination, and any damage to the inner cable. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 13:15:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400C140E02 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD7740512 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 15so8129785vea.29 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DUfBhMGHDgqMTF5bWxnKPhGs1pLRyWzsIdwcqsQ3q+0=; b=lCZob8+gcTfHYPpkCOUWxCFfqOePUk+zbVMb/SYaN/c3S9hwFAysehu9Y8M2UuPCTv wj9X/X1715WV1EfkT8G59JAcJDWbmOnzEAERQIsefOg9C/VajFKI8eWuQJM8Uj+TbO2I S5SqmSSqlWty+5mO+UDmCW//GStLDMWotaxhVoB1CZsNPgK0CCDeFodiZCe57e6L1GWG Neo5iHWB5shsu9mvhla0Yv6fgh9AepAeuy3AbSolb8RqBtTp4pvVSgrOSJ+umsxaZ/sh pxmsCAkPtnEnGgfbPa728KA6PWRxbPPuoJnPBOzxmP4++NxCuo+lZFpRAvk2vUrMR+rP I7MQ== fv5mr2221539vdb.31.1376507715857; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:15:15 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Pugh Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] Crazy Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM, William Pugh wrote: > I had to change the distributor on the 1970 TR6, car runs great but the > Tachometer went "Whacko" ! pulled the cable off the distributor, and can > easily turn the inner cable by hand b& anyone have any ideas?? You shouldn't turn by hand so it is probably either broken or dis-engaged. You should be able to pull the inner cable out from the tach end and inspect it. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 13:40:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375534003A for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AF240424 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kVOaCsUdvzEA:10 a=_0XGO6tCur4cX069o0AA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:34343] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 67/A2-15971-CCBDB025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:34:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:34:36 +0000 From: Randall To: TR3/6 , William Pugh Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Crazy Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Randall wrote: > First thing to check is that the inner cable isn't protruding too far. Just to be clear, I mean that the inner cable may be protruding too far at the tach end, with the other end attached to the dizzy. Even if you can turn the result easily, there has to be absolutely no end force transmitted from the end of the inner cable to the shaft in the tach, or trouble will ensue. I don't recall the recommended maximum protrusion offhand, something like 3/8" ? Hopefully someone else has it, but if not I'll try to look it up tonight. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 13:40:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA65C40546 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA60F4044D for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x10so6894439pdj.15 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=WbDAWDo6ePnI7aw9iNI7XHZt9QaCGxOFDfYQxk5C8QE=; b=bYDQHwoLnsyIyxv7LDmiwehZlHJi3E1R7f5UHvtDMXHRqAFzEW3Knxgp4yfBqiWOJW QqekCbpDm36JbfZXIlFaYZ3c8iq5Nqw2m51OE7XESVFNGgf5UC5O7bJoGp2XF8Wu/r7v i5/Ta6T/QvPogLy6c5Tqe0jRVg4lA9M0ROAfAF5JUKmO0ngkuSRByP+AvKYPqCDnRsJl CvO2y8izFbrmwqBN9l3dOKYw1KMi9/AcY6lwTZtgKSek43Sr3m1KRVU1U/OBTjrbRZaM KdWMX9VjUw9/TKFq4taCV0iqlFXrewXv8tRkxgedCs7k283Frq/jiDyEgJfFd9FdzSI2 J07g== rm3mr11760596pbc.70.1376509191982; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (122-59-245-167.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.59.245.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qv4sm52168205pbc.16.2013.08.14.12.39.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:40:02 +1200 Thread-Index: Ac6ZJhHElFrzlB5DRr+eiVETvkOLKA== Subject: [TR] Car has swollen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'll try a chisel as suggested as well as borrowing large multi grip pliers and heat as a last resort. A reply from Spook sugested shipwrights disease, yes definitely. It started with the engine needing reconditioning and then the engine bay needing prettying up and then the tub needing repairing around the bulkhead, then fix the chassis. The chassis is in very good condition aside from around the left turret. In the past I would have done it myself but I am in the middle of setting up a soft drink (soda) business and have decided that it would take me forever to do myself. The man fixing the chassis is a TR expert but does not have the time to do the tub and there are very few panelbeaters in Welington New Zealand that can do the old school type of panel work. Jim and the TR4 in bits ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 13:45:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AC540448 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723144003A for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 19:44:42 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.235] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 19:44:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 19:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 51053 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2013 19:44:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376509481; bh=3p+r13Ry2PDihIb1z3S4TpzNnLXIy6jTCSt2CO2dO00=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Uw+clbIHd6KOcB2oq5bOUW6j4b4PnAiYKQif5shahj3/U7EhrYzJQg95gFeVFLuJfFVJEB8pDfK9IgnUFp4G1JMZuG5JR5Dgh4tAVoCEoc3J9qdMKaJ5UP0lLsRdxT+wrn5IdVIFwlozs5TE5CpEetXzhJxJXVejnT68P9ogqDU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qwxHWu0RRCe8yq2CYyyF3YxBJFdVyyz7enkDLQecsG4DTrp5C3rbEUl+HreFl5NR1Xc14e1jqbjsQQSRGFihrZvIWTqqIOqhgIRyJt0l2N12Df6e6az6XaUw+BjjipVZJO7wqeevk+w3lHl1nsNDaU+0Pk2iFQrPc2kQFzh3s/I=; bM3WuD.HBck_Z8WhUB2Ds Received: from [108.234.4.203] by web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:44:41 PDT CgoKwqAKPgo.Cj4KPsKgCj4.Cj4.Cj4.Cj4.wqAgIAo.Pj4KPj4.Cj4.Pk15IHNwZWVkb21ldGVyIHdpbGwgbm90IGdvIGJhY2sgdG8gemVybyBhZnRlciBhZHZhbmNpbmcgcGFzdCAyMC4gV2hlbiB1c2luZyBhIGRyaWxsIHRvIHRlc3QgaXQgd2lsbCBub3QgYWR2YW5jZSBwYXN0IDYwbXBoIGFuZCBhZHZhbmNlcyB3aXRoIGplcmtpbmcgbW90aW9uLiBOb3QgdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsIGFzIEkgcmVwbGFjZWQgdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsLiBQdXJjaGFzZWQgdGhlIGNhciBuZXcgaW4gRW5nbGFuZCBpbiAxOTYxIHdoaWwBMAEBAQE- References: <1376352051.49623.YahooMailNeo@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1376501210.65049.YahooMailNeo@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1376509243.25101.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Geoghan To: "\"\"triumphs@autox.team.net\"\"" Subject: [TR] TR3A SPEEDOMETER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>My speedometer will not go back to zero after advancing past 20. When using a drill to test it will not advance past 60mph and advances with jerking motion. Not the original as I replaced the original. Purchased the car new in England in 1961 while stationed near Coventry. Is there a way to tell if the speedometer is compatible with overdrive? Is repair a DIY? >>>Thanks much. >>>Kenny01. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 14:12:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7346440449 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226D540444 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kGUW7gxsWXUA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=QUqaxlgmAAAA:20 a=MkBGrBceoQ876T70SBMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=QxbE_WtnwgwA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=RosycjgMawAyLURC:21 a=N_MjMOTkbqZXNvOQ:21 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:34918] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B7/56-14128-BA4EB025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:12:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:12:27 +0000 From: Randall To: Thomas Geoghan , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SPEEDOMETER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Thomas Geoghan wrote: > Is there a way to tell if the speedometer is compatible with > overdrive? Should be no difference. The speedo calibration number changed for cars with 4.1 final drive, but contrary to many sources, the vast majority of cars with overdrive still had 3.7 gears (so the same speedo head as non-OD cars). And even if the calibration number is wrong for your tires & final drive, it would only show up as a proportional error. The unit would still return to 0 and rise above 60. > Is repair a DIY? Depends on how bad the internal damage is; and how adept you are at working with tiny gears and springs. Tony Rhodes wrote a good article on the process, which you can download from http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/1967_TR4A_Tech.html Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 15:36:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B7F40511 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1065540446 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CbMd1m0021HzFnQ5Clbluu; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:35:45 +0000 Received: from [10.251.191.35] ([174.237.47.99]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ClbZ1m01728Q5x23albciM; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:35:43 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?SmltIFZhc3NpbGlhZGlz?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:35:42 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1376516145; bh=G/XXaUwyH/Kn41/pkSUvHb7HHsFHB3un0T/9Xdew/1A=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LNeuKC+w9/DY/kYTusXz2XaYSg628kaR3wmZCd0pJq+3VfCN+1uDqKCxSm8ODskm4 gR8IJFAjaD/8QG6bwsv1eYsDP3O+Gw9uVu+vsrfHML4qqW8JS7lSXMgPWu8CNPUHNI pFs1k2bPhJxQ/b9FF/WWszz8z0HClnF9CY8MS/yFIaHJBVVgyqIpfYLij2RsjfO1vw 3WVOlyh/2Y/8OhjqM3xbhPluXOErVHXkKK0rdGEIZrl1UGuSoGbpLWHPN1PXkErJPj 7Mkse2TUaYz3aJx8tIO9Q1EpjbXLBISBmBpeXrNO0PxQNYuO8oARvCe64FXvh6yEqm 36Yi2Cx9dsh5A== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Car_has_swollen?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Worry not. Just work slow and steady, and it'll get done. The pain of the restoration will pass, leaving only pride of accomplishment. Besides, can't you walk over to Hobbiton and hire some hobbits? ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Subject: [TR] Car has swollen Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 2:40 pm I'll try a chisel as suggested as well as borrowing large multi grip pliers and heat as a last resort. A reply from Spook sugested shipwrights disease, yes definitely. It started with the engine needing reconditioning and then the engine bay needing prettying up and then the tub needing repairing around the bulkhead, then fix the chassis. The chassis is in very good condition aside from around the left turret. In the past I would have done it myself but I am in the middle of setting up a soft drink (soda) business and have decided that it would take me forever to do myself. The man fixing the chassis is a TR expert but does not have the time to do the tub and there are very few panelbeaters in Welington New Zealand that can do the old school type of panel work. Jim and the TR4 in bits ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 22:07:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131A740454 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00A540430 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:06:34 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=crBjiMMkIyYA:10 a=Ylp7yBMvHhe1FIzDCCMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Q33TCg9PoCLyd56r:21 a=VjO0Qh7TqedINcaX:21 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:56278] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C1/79-15971-8C35C025; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 04:06:33 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Pete Arakelian'" , References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188BAEC4C02@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <004501ce9898$bf2113b0$3d633b10$@rr.com> <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C0188BAEC4C1F@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:06:34 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6YNeRS84AQkOgIQxerZDdK/9IM8wAYoiiQABiIaJAAHH+PQA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Brighter Dash Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, Is the color of the LED white? Johnnie > > 170-970 is not yet on the web - they just came in. > Art department is preparing for photos, etc... > For the time being you will need to call it in 800-MOSS-USA. > > 171-000, standard bulb, is on the web. At least it came up when I > entered the part number this AM. > > Peter > > > I'm looking for a replacement for Moss 171-000. I don't find that on > your website, nor the 170-970. > Thanks > Johnnie > > > > > I know it's a little commercial, but you asked about where to get LED > > dash lights. > > We just added 170-970 for the screw in bulbs. They cannot be used > > everywhere > > - like in the red charging indicator - and they are not dimable. > > But they are brighter. > > We working on getting them on the web with pix, but not yet. > > > > Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 02:26:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C957740454 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 02:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69EB40437 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 02:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id jt11so487106pbb.38 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:23:40 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=gFzKaeqvLdKM5jJ7alkiqD8qX50VNCGog2Mz2OUI/D8=; b=t+Baq448rm2l+VGJ3nAJybmKMouXKqXpmjcXIrPrpLGK4/UuhaUvnzHGIm+MXVQ1Js f80pspd4/FYw3I+4HIgqEmhNyccOFdFnLDULpHhdRKqy0Zga4qpASHrdDzV4ae0HJ7IP EIQ8jKGioUxmrdueyAOFqfP0n44Mqc5/aEpsQH9QFfGJtlsF1GQ3sAiYKlq7dZ7lYkA2 U79fSeDLLm+DCSOxCOLrINP6A/5uBDA5ghti1wSGs7ldGuZOlZv6reoX/rGnucuxX5HL sr9n0RpPpsP2Fv1KGis5ctCyMGyVCnaVLtU2qaC8u+QibEUjSb3aExnleP+0A/90wbwh gGaQ== qx1mr6739071pbc.157.1376555020611; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (122-59-245-167.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.59.245.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sp4sm55413303pbc.45.2013.08.15.01.23.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:23:43 +1200 Thread-Index: Ac6ZkME7PDWNZJAvRlSDBN5WEFAWSQ== Subject: [TR] Car has swollen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to the list I have managed to remove the trunnion washers. So on Sat morning I am heading North, 7 hour there and 7 back, to drop the chassis off to the TR expert. Progress at last. Jim ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 03:02:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976054051B for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 03:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008C240446 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 03:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail36-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.245) by CH1EHSOBE021.bigfish.com (10.43.70.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:01:01 +0000 Received: from mail36-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail36-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8C94008E for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:01:01 +0000 (UTC) H:imx2.tcd.ie; RD:imx2.tcd.ie; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail36-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail36-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1376557258909361_6917; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.254]) by mail36-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FC0380047 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (134.226.1.156) by CH1EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (10.43.70.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.16.227.3; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:00:58 +0000 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D53568012 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:00:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A05F341FBD1; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:00:58 +0100 Received: from go.tcd.ie (winehub2.college.tcd.ie [134.226.252.15]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5D268012 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:00:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.68]) by winehub2.college.tcd.ie ([134.226.252.15]) with mapi; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:00:58 +0100 From: John Gillis To: "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:00:56 +0100 Thread-Topic: voyeur for now Thread-Index: Ac6ZlfQRQLhV+zE+R4KTShi4dkbkJA== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US VDF=10.130.61) Subject: [TR] voyeur for now Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, well is has happened, last week my TR made the short sea trip across to the UK where the bigger audience will ensure maximum exposure. It was really a very difficult moment for me and I know in the bigger picture it is only metal and leather but nevertheless after 16 years I felt entitled to some emotional attachment. I am happy in the way Premium Classic Cars have looked after both me and the TR, and it looks splendid on their site, have a look for yourselves URL http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/ I hope you don't mind if I stay on the list, quietly in the background, after all it is a lifetime affliction, car or no car. Thanks to all, you are all partly responsible for the car on that web site! John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 05:50:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE124040A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 05:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B604403E3 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 05:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EB45C7008E585 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7AAF6E000081 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376567434; bh=u9OiUViixQjzkcF+0sI+IJGyeArYKJP8e58gJPXPTeE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=inMh7cV484sfCuLvQ36i1URTEKMOg5XWsnTgZpNtIaxsl/M38Adq8Fluc1LAHzr+X Lu9Vc5RiW8CF322I6ak3P/dTRx3rnQhEot2dXVfhB76pV4bs7p0Qd9tH4PQO2GnfFV FpoKmk98ijVZaFiv3QQxsDFbVTjzmRnKyoXDjJw0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d520cc08a6d10 Subject: Re: [TR] voyeur for now Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's rather like see one of your kids off to college, isn't it? I say please stay on the list. With all your experience you can help out some of us when we run into a problem you have already conquered. Slainte Dave In a message dated 8/15/2013 4:01:10 AM Central Daylight Time, JGILLIS@tcd.ie writes: > Hi List, well is has happened, last week my TR made the short sea trip > across > to the UK where the bigger audience will ensure maximum exposure. It was > really a very difficult moment for me and I know in the bigger picture it > is > only metal and leather but nevertheless after 16 years I felt entitled to > some > emotional attachment. I am happy in the way Premium Classic Cars have > looked > after both me and the TR, and it looks splendid on their site, have a look > for > yourselves URL http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/ > I hope you don't mind if I stay on the list, quietly in the background, > after > all it is a lifetime affliction, car or no car. > Thanks to all, you are all partly responsible for the car on that web > site! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 10:14:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470CE403EA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:14:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70207403EA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2013 16:13:48 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.207] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2013 16:13:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2013 16:13:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376583228; bh=PZl/P0DAmTihwxHq6nssBGVhleqWpTjb/W6iMKEJkaQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=TBHW9JiIieFV8Dj9Xuagrrub8CYzTNILVc2vTCc6cl3rlSP0wZai3jHav/axW6qc41Kevob6GsZk8BcFpb3dz4d0nj+q4V4T2d+5veXXZrmEbDtRaLQ0MlLxqyl1UG4eR7xasiu677mE18ZdQeKjdPiiC2Oa5N7RBzMxSXXjxqE= zMg3r_hv5ZRxE2F7VKTUbKAKaGVGOCrRoO0AXbLYeHaldyI13lJX1mmoVGTH kgfl4HuVBTtXmfkjUR468XLZAZi6X1zK.Z2AOseFbKFRqk1rQI4zs5oUcAhr h0oBhkTTXBbVT6fsATEZuYlnjac3mWdTd6UhvmrESJGiq2QcwoiXFPukIEd3 dNYASAFQ4TaE7O8iPTk2lEzZbqkbSQKbgyixEhZzyWoSqwBRF2HsnPApuxjf mDE56_vIGrapR8O4J7s5rN71MmvxzHVQ.RUnpThIyDc8Dd3ztenhHfQRqmMa hon47lHWxfvbZvsEf19Ltow1tr0ndLFs9kOeIMc6oxD_GyYK1m6CrWIUqQoL otk6Im4Gniz9Zd3ArNQMRf8kfen3f2.sYCxF2_st7JCRQtSZBbykxH_v2s1h I7YhEBZh7DaQMW8tEqtm5AL7WHfLW._YAq5MQv2aMSiQT.KGsY11PfD4795L wLMm2HWpKlQ_kos.eg1iKGFmmRCmmj1i5TuXoPBxS.Mzh7oXX.2uoTlTretN 6obKV38Otedn8z1vS_P9iiOSO1Y25Xs0jnRUbZ6pk6imFkpJzbk_w2yGi2JG Rug3_VBM4LDwPc1XbywF00fNaiAMOv5JhWIKkyLjIbUTmm5wjDjAiHdzUYEJ y8lJGY7PzvHGT2D79MhD_10Fn smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2013 16:13:47 +0000 UTC References: From: WBEECH Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:13:41 -0500 To: John Gillis Cc: "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [TR] voyeur for now Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, It's a beautiful car, the emotions are understandable. I hope you get your price. Maybe you'll have enough left to purchase a dependable everyday Triumph, not as pretty but just as much fun. All the best , Bill Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2013, at 4:00 AM, John Gillis wrote: > Hi List, well is has happened, last week my TR made the short sea trip across > to the UK where the bigger audience will ensure maximum exposure. It was > really a very difficult moment for me and I know in the bigger picture it is > only metal and leather but nevertheless after 16 years I felt entitled to some > emotional attachment. I am happy in the way Premium Classic Cars have looked > after both me and the TR, and it looks splendid on their site, have a look for > yourselves URL http://www.premiumclassiccars.com/ > I hope you don't mind if I stay on the list, quietly in the background, after > all it is a lifetime affliction, car or no car. > Thanks to all, you are all partly responsible for the car on that web site! > John > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 11:15:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F22B4003B for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A4D403F0 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS5 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:14:59 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:14:35 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6Z2uo7x9Z9oNORTPiFgNCmFOPnYQ== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[F8DC23E0:01CE99DA] Subject: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am trying to sort out the Vacuum lines on my recently acquired TR6. The rear carb has vacuum ports at the top and bottom. The front has none. The distributor has a single port. This doesn't match up with anything I see in either the manual or the moss catalog. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 11:53:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F014041A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03EF403F0 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D1w51m0021vN32cA15tizZ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:53:42 +0000 Received: from RickPC ([24.22.169.14]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D5th1m0060Jyir48i5thP6; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:53:41 +0000 From: "Rick" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:53:42 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6Z4GF6Gth4TbjmQgirsfcDwYVwag== s=q20121106; t=1376589222; bh=MOpSxV7MOUNU5lsW/RSQkwfXaoczagZ0lLDoSQqW0qM=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DleECltigRd0bw90G+e2uR7ZECcYK09J8zI2UWm32AX5cs4B5ptAM4FrrWovQJAFl G0CDE5HIkxCFbOSB6HwUIvjmwSrdkwP3YEA8TQxjAOZJxdSjYs+jjzoKy7PHo7DZQZ zxVlZwux5bTs48bPh90Q2UeSIR/mj75emUVXybSGKEssA+uld3a+cER5FZWtCOh9qy uisKlgs6xPVaJMG0nFEmSwBtPqGqPOKik0EczRcjo6tDA1HovuE4s84cVoqMA7lNKq q2lLQ2uSG5yJzHJeIicB8T7Snxk5xGkzzXgfOweqEymwppcAacV3jPpgjEsD2Scjya nFH+hNL/JDsMw== Subject: [TR] Crazy Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had exactly the same experience a few years ago during my TR3A rebuild with a new cable. These cables have a square key formed into each end of the round cable which is designed to fit into the tach and drive, respectively. This key is formed by a compression tool (many shops use a manual tool that is wacked with a hammer) to create a square cross-section of 0.125" on a side. The problem with my cable (in fact I went through 2 of them) was NOT the key length but rather the cross-section, which was several thou oversized and would not fit fully into the tach receptacle. I ground off a bit on each side so that the key fit smoothly into the tach, which solved the problem. Since then I found a local Brit motorcycle shop that had the compression tool, and I run all of my new cables through him (they're all oversized as purchased) for size adjustment. Rick in Seattle 1960 TR3A 1970 BSA 441 Victor Special 1972 Norton 750 Commando Combat 1975 Norton 850 Commando Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 12:57:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D5E403FB for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DB640413 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D6of1m0031zF43QA16vf17; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:55:39 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D6vf1m00P2yr1eL8k6vf85; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:55:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:55:39 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1376592939; bh=v0WbmyyCI1KAmgy+wx5a6TEUzCQoM/O9kyG5E+t+WqU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=tnuFW5nTXhekNZj33ZDWhbm+KpqlaxgVe1/UDwQ7LC4UmE8grZkrcXv9UCd1IJybq REFX/3o3I2wzGoriPWl+Uvd4dmJoboToLYsIxvfSOs18MlJxqWDLCwWqE5T3DAPEJa gugKBLUQVRNmt4UDL5PgPrCKkhIQqIRQUFxtWHM3sFUBGZkWXVOrdBjYKY1uk4X3Gz 84qBPLLkc5POem+a1uyQD3N1nUSnidfAc9H8XMuDa/a0ugJ+5gg0pIN909SE21YUqz I/mBUMB/yqnqEsal5iaadgwEYnV2Yzz3fsv1feCIEaF64COudf2l1Dqe+rKyi+fix/ w3FVaLgJ6RVmA== Subject: [TR] Trip to TRF Summer Party and Lotus Owners Gathering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Trip to Lotus Owners Gathering. Thursday. Stopped in on The Roadster Factory Summer Party in Armagh PA on the way there. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt (and the dash plaque). http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157634908275592/ Friday. Fast touring at Watkins Glen. Lunch at the Glen Club. Shot some photos on track before rescuing a Seven that was broken by a rock in an infield road. Welcome party at hotel. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157634910376982/ Saturday. Parked for the Panoramic Photo at Watkins Glen. Lunch at the Glen Club. Shot some photos on track again. Been there, done that, gut the two coffee mugs. Banquet at hotel in Corning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157634920702374/ Sunday. Horseheads NY: PAXed 6th overall at the Glen Region autocross (but the son of two Canadian National AutoSlalom Champions PAXed 1st in his Green and Yellow Elise). I therefore got a 2nd-place LOG trophy and a 2nd-place Glen Region trophy. Buffet at hotel in Corning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157634932528381/with/9439445985/ Glen Region autocross results: http://www.glen-scca.org/Solo/2013/Results20130804.asp PAX results: http://www.glen-scca.org/Solo/2013/PAX20130804.asp Monday. Drove the Lotus into Canada to view Niagara Falls. Stripped off the autocross statics, since I didn't need anything extra to have Customs ask about. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157635012510828/with/9460489495/ Tuesday. On the way back home (and the previous Tuesday on the way to LOG), I shot some iPhone at this neat lodge I like in an Indiana state park. Tiny room in historic section on the way to LOG; big room in the new horseshoe section on the way home. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/sets/72157635012349806/ It was a great trip. The solo trips I took to LOGs in the past were shorter drives, Lake Geneva and Saint Louis. I was gone a week and half on this one. Awards: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/9504930697/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/9507726624/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 13:01:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5534052A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447C7403F9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:01:49 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kLY4fag__soA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ldXtzVw2VOIA:10 a=1eg2iKR6E0bkWhS5SlgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 56/F2-05415-C952D025; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:01:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:01:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6Z2uo7x9Z9oNORTPiFgNCmFOPnYQADW2og Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am trying to sort out the Vacuum lines on my recently acquired TR6. Is this a restoration, or do you just want it to run good? > The rear carb has vacuum ports at the top and bottom. The > front has none. Do you have carb numbers? Sounds like the rear carb may have been modified, but it might also be from another car. The port that has vacuum at idle will be for vacuum retard; the one with vacuum only with the throttle open will be for advance. If the carbs are off the car, then look at where the ports come out relative to the throttle plate. If you can see the port opening from the manifold side with the throttle fully closed, that's a retard port. > The distributor has a single port. Advance or retard? PI TR6 only had advance; later carbed TR6 only have retard. It will actually run fine if you just cap both carb lines and leave the dizzy line open. If you can hook up the advance, it will reduce fuel consumption a bit (around 2-3 mpg), but no effect on idle or full power. The vacuum retard only affects idle; but you may have to turn the idle rpm down if it was set with the retard active. Oh, and set the ignition timing to the 'static' value for your year. The 4 ATDC figure is only for when the retard is connected and active (not disabled by the TVS). The books are amazingly unclear (aka flat wrong) on this point as many of them say to disconnect the vacuum line, but that is only for an advance vacuum line (which only early carbed TR6 should have). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 14:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618E140403 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9CB403E9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D34B770000096 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 925DCE000087 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:18:28 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376597908; bh=QNRCbKk/0AGY3UUlOt719NmIN7SlKy5UejkSql8FKmw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LYz7ckkDKRF1DTPeOMEMiE/PntFBA7248B+ShRKa+Izz6NWYbusuA+pVg1NS2TliF MFCmak9mDsR+9wafAFcSUP/P595kRnE40Mc8BamjOvqCD/5NDn6cv4W14uELjU2mZ3 svLHyIOAKtV06d2yLwPRwb6tHXA803xPNoIKVpYA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d520d3794652c Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Going from memory here but I believe the bottom port is for the vacuum retard module. The top one can be used with the vacuum advance module if you had one or it can be used for the EGR valve. Of course things changed from year to year on the TR6 so it would be helpful to know what model car you have. Dave In a message dated 8/15/2013 12:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time, jagmog@hotmail.com writes: > I am trying to sort out the Vacuum lines on my recently acquired TR6. > > The rear carb has vacuum ports at the top and bottom. The front has none. > The distributor has a single port. > > This doesn't match up with anything I see in either the manual or the moss > catalog. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 14:52:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A054840408 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E9F403FC for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS2 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:52:34 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: , References: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:52:10 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHW6+66z0L93CsddVD5sLEmyBSna5mGGliw Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[5E07D0C0:01CE99F9] Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Car was dispatched in Feb. 1971, CC62601L. It was equipped at the dealer with air conditioning. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Going from memory here but I believe the bottom port is for the vacuum retard module. The top one can be used with the vacuum advance module if you had one or it can be used for the EGR valve. Of course things changed from year to year on the TR6 so it would be helpful to know what model car you have. Dave In a message dated 8/15/2013 12:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time, jagmog@hotmail.com writes: > I am trying to sort out the Vacuum lines on my recently acquired TR6. > > The rear carb has vacuum ports at the top and bottom. The front has none. > The distributor has a single port. > > This doesn't match up with anything I see in either the manual or the > moss catalog. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jagmog@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 15:29:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E4040437 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08777403FC for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E739D700C4155 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8E8E3E000087 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:24:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:24:04 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376601844; bh=o6LjeMYO2sZt9xIZuO/vYjoJcyoaUYQmL/GpvJG/jRI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GGWenrySF2KGhIbOelZSx1ySavxxSoFAs7f6JpSezVVt31B+ywdrsg0dqdmf9GCvV W/4KBwm9jxNq2/SGvMyQrVa3WmKIJXgtVRHKDSMZG6xJNA8bu2TQbYxAfFtkXO2Pkb xgtL/NXb4JeJD+56CYnsztb0e3nH3wkzY+pqvc18= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b520d46f47748 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The 71 may or may not have been equipped with a vacuum advance and if it was it would not have been connected. But the 70 TR6 was equipped with both. At least that is my recollection. So there may be some residual fittings that were not used but would make retrofitting easier. My 71 model had both advance and retard modules but no port for the advance. Retrofitting later model carbs fixed that problem. In 1974 the engine was fitted with an EGR valve and that port could be used for the vacuum advance (if your distributor was so equipped). Dave In a message dated 8/15/2013 3:52:35 PM Central Daylight Time, jagmog@hotmail.com writes: > Car was dispatched in Feb. 1971, CC62601L. > > It was equipped at the dealer with air conditioning. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 23:11:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6CA40534 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 23:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6555F40425 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 23:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2445A0E6F for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 23:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 23:10:48 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Interesting Day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=162 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 05:34:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4514053C for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A5D4051C for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3554E700C4171 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.17]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E0B38E000081 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:29:51 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376652592; bh=kbaEU575p+sWXLCkDSB8ZiRp6FH/gp/8pvkH3WQ+syM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uOg52stAiXyGP/7zjUOfbD809fQ9IRud/BUl6ARQ5uoe/YwavfO8/eS4G+xdlElic onTEqmtbhlbEdr0dFe/YH207jMFfR5avKKksAvZ0UYMreQqUjOaK5sHGLzE5biNexh 3fzgcPeFLf4TvaM4Igi05SFmRJfplpzFJo6NX4ko= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a520e0d2f5f3b Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The answer, as I like to say, is "it depends." That was the case on my original TR6 carbs but earlier and later model carbs did have both ports drilled and tapped (actually not tapped per se but with a tube pressed in). But using the TR3 as a basis point is problematic. They had different carbs and they didn't have to meet emissions. Heck, even the TR6's varied enough to keep things confusing. Dave In a message dated 8/15/2013 5:08:33 PM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > pardon my ignorance. > if its anything like my TR3 only one of the two holes is live and is > tapped. > no? > > > Frank > > > From: Jonas Payne > > > Car was dispatched in Feb. 1971, CC62601L. > > It was equipped at the dealer with air conditioning. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > > -----Original Message----- > > Going from memory here but I believe the bottom port is for the vacuum > retard module. The top one can be used with the vacuum advance module if > you > had one or it can be used for the EGR valve. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 08:54:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E164053F for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FDE4052A for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2013 14:52:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2013 14:52:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2013 14:52:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 88639 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2013 14:52:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376664761; bh=9y2exGGJSujs421f3i68JCLISosC0dU43h7MWm7bnA0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AitX9zy8kVr/7tdSYh8qF17j8b32sKmuAQZfFi+W/GV9Tg+ugywtrUBaadyuzCuaqNTyt3E00eztCPs3eyIfUwityq0YsYx6aUNLVj00AYtuIDAjZA4AHuo9lDJ2SD2SVXOl71zDh1ebq2xX4bbF5igxJkenj2hdLnOBpJpjdBs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SiNskxRMyZGtHcz/tqPkpfI7QcVMNbLSgQOrbvMx0aKtq09kYvJgtT4dbt1eAtvrAeCqHED77a84BqpOvngrn/aa1t6RTr0qejrK8eJnei5V2RZefPs2nikobwwkLEsNPsN6IdV9HN0sxInFovPTvQOC4//MQ39j3xoZpqBWMVQ=; ZEvFUCFir3aeRw6tI5okSQb.8jXRyKSpjjHQpd8pQCF65ro8C.qkIBqY.iHB kmB_b0VzzLatLNfVw9Ph0tpzV2P7Yb9qJZbk_86DGw5MU_vaY0zXeHB3BpQX 9rqlTYI8e2.HJSNVzwr.taPKPtFEKj_zDYcVtPa4liAZv5k072ui53R1bzaE bntY61b6i5haBX2sICeWPSa6Ftn_Qb3E_QOGYzWRgMiCBwjAhzeA05OTSwBf Putr2EqeKk19Zr_.vsgQBOUi.oJ.fKKDLza1R359jtVElqHOtJxT_zQLBZl8 pwNsQLcGP9B5tOAdEwoBfZMp1QrUrC.nMAgGOsEer6jJTcNhDG_BeAlKoKW8 HTe.UlS2g7PGpdHFekBBhRnbmK9HyiF6Y_vaRRQcgY_kp4n.YNTFfR4YHtyO gM.Qt4l4HREm4eEkXxrscZ.EKVlhcAlgOdVtRSTE4Z4CZmWIsWZzLkEVBHVa Hjf1Uc0MHf6FW8edinQ2_XPKodSrqU0phn9GsofnnuifVsyjunS5Q6Zgdt_O fNoon_7_Z8_dKTexrwa9ytx4YH3Sjqg1v4V.GxcNA1qDeHspYCkoAZsRVgPg eycTTPdE.fV_f.5X0TQ-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:52:41 PDT dGhhbmtzIERhdmUKSSBkaWQga25vdyB0aGUgMyB1c2VkIFNVJ3MgYW5kIHRoZSA2IHVzZWQgWmVuaXRoJ3MuCmhhZCBJIGJlZW4gYW55IHBsYWNlIGNsb3NlIHRvIGhvbWUgSSBjb3VsZCBoYXZlIGxpZnRlZCB0aGUgYm9ubmV0IG9uIHRoZSA2IGluIHRoZSBnYXJhZ2UgYW5kIHRha2VuIGEgbG9vay4KYnV0IHRoYXQgd291bGQgaGF2ZSB0YWtlbiBlZmZvcnQgYW5kIHdhaXQgdW50aWwgdG9tb3Jyb3cuCkZyYW5rCiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiAiRGF2ZTFtYXNzZXkBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , "triumphs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thanks Dave I did know the 3 used SU's and the 6 used Zenith's. had I been any place close to home I could have lifted the bonnet on the 6 in the garage and taken a look. but that would have taken effort and wait until tomorrow. Frank ________________________________ From: "Dave1massey@cs.com" To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Vacuum Line Question The answer, as I like to say, is "it depends." That was the case on my original TR6 carbs but earlier and later model carbs did have both ports drilled and tapped (actually not tapped per se but with a tube pressed in). But using the TR3 as a basis point is problematic. They had different carbs and they didn't have to meet emissions. Heck, even the TR6's varied enough to keep things confusing. Dave In a message dated 8/15/2013 5:08:33 PM Central Daylight Time, yellowtr3@yahoo.com writes: > pardon my ignorance. > if its anything like my TR3 only one of the two holes is live and is > tapped. > no? > > > Frank > > > From: Jonas Payne > > > Car was dispatched in Feb. 1971, CC62601L. > > It was equipped at the dealer with air conditioning. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting > 702-882-6711 > > > -----Original Message----- > > Going from memory here but I believe the bottom port is for the vacuum > retard module. The top one can be used with the vacuum advance module if > you > had one or it can be used for the EGR valve. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 12:16:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763C940543 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B092940411 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm31.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2013 18:15:57 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.213] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2013 18:15:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp224.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2013 18:15:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376676957; bh=seyWRvvnLh/l6WYkJqmaX+awOdQlNVulxHEy4njRnZY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=n+jp/X7DRAOzPlhdisDgnrF9BDTWsOfatoty7e4A0iSY9LDc1Cdcef2EA8/CysavbaQLtXNPWqgGWTOCWQ54gylkYEa2JQeazROJ990AD7NN+6YAdpORLRR7bUOVW8X/tbMltvv3zLiRSaIXvL9aje+d3g6Z4bJ+RhO8kr9aWZk= IQH4oSUuB49zOKKAGRNyAodAGX3zWwVdeSJeplzCInT1krHLoZH7uID979pf tT3INhDRc0a4gRIOTIvLawK.w1WwG.h.iktxVHTCLlwbviVWbZ8Unc0sm78D OYBmDcytkZU4BMy4EXdWfB6jQUgM70RCHDof7I9SGj6qhLx6IiDDH8.Q1..n GfCZYS7GWl.D2k1GA3CC83PRpZIu14mjAWtcpTNTPHDyIsPR8S1DKTgOrT0F ErjdJOLVwm9kaFdi9cEOSnSgc.Vdw_8vLccosvYxsx.44j1RUAY4hgYfzVRK a_yZX0mQHoaq0d8Je2STe6rqIzZgWtDSFy9.ZPQfQ0P6iOO1Yyws7zVN9k6R zUXb1ibhsqQmRzVGKqOahYYKmI5VAcSkDh9ZADPgZGFJOO06b_SJhVViDeeR dARG1jPpAU6TMWNn.QjEUte0gaxuRpHTbZnUsznGhidVWiW2uU5K02ayCZVT p1Et_OG0UcwLDxDRTVOTaI5mOCmMQvlr4mI00FN4ltAs2Wb8cXv.K6uZfb6T hEg-- ) by smtp224.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2013 18:15:57 +0000 UTC From: JT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:15:55 -0700 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Distributor drive gear Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone out there know the difference between the distributor drive gear TR6 on a fuel injected car versus a carbureted car? Thanks JT ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 12:59:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573A640555 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com (mail-pb0-f49.google.com [209.85.160.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E0540523 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id xb4so2312015pbc.22 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=5JBlzZoUGnAZRq7Bn6xAU/a1Aq2SPnQBrWR/8lelrQg=; b=YBzQ8NSP034EP3OBCk93gIf5cSac8ac4OzNiHt3TaimctbOZMZbRgMIjJbHjTHOnO3 14KYtxJGz+V+4lSntksprxuIXL9Nf6bZkt/4ZmC9EwbHk0M13MzlxRNAaxjAzKexw8mi mhu/00g0DUoQmrA3ndwCo3jF1Lepi9kLtC13L9yp/3eUwjFiQB4TLRXNHYjeTZnB4OpW PmPLNR8wgf5EajWuyd2lbJktGZ+/YR4lWYNeOQlkT1Kds6AyFzXIpWzVWnJhGh0PsttJ fjrHiNyV+QZZHSt8x5+iPKGEKvVssxMPP3KAZDGOJI13Hsr8Q7d1uDvzR0V2gKfSaIK/ poHQ== io10mr2999850pbc.178.1376679256117; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.248.39 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:53:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <9C7CCC4B-DF1C-4C5F-9AA9-3AEABFEA264B@yahoo.com> From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:53:56 -0700 To: JT Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Distributor drive gear Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, there is a different housing so as to provide a dog for driving the pi pump. I can send pictures if you wnat On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:15 AM, JT wrote: > Anyone out there know the difference between the distributor drive gear > TR6 on > a fuel injected car versus a carbureted car? 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Jonmac From: JT >To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" >Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 19:15 >Subject: [TR] Distributor drive gear > > >Anyone out there know the difference between the distributor drive gear TR6 on >a fuel injected car versus a carbureted car? Thanks JT > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 19:09:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD2B40552 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427AB40523 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130817010937.GZZU24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11>; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:09:37 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Dd9c1m00k3enFnk05d9cWn; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:09:37 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=EDpkG7F3o_MA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7UcZUwsufjuvTua3PxMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9X4rVaoUXB0A:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QHqqnK016tYA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <520DB458.6000000@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:09:36 -0400 Thread-Index: AQG8cB+MkA4eyUMrHB1moI0+Mh230Zm87HYQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark - What a great reflection! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:11 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Interesting Day http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=162 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 06:22:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C721B42705 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 06:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EC0426B9 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 06:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.140] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 12:18:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 52449 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2013 12:18:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376741918; bh=uOloUR/azXoEtS6CTiXX+scSKxvf3bML1s/OIehREbw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HR6OL9NgwMYhacT/4EsJLRLUzmDdBRbI/1PeFbVa+XRo7DuNI0eO1sYF8d9dUa8ioouvNNb2We0o4bPhkuQnn4Ax96dS6HDPDe+mvHQfMAc757WGmi+pX40oF633UDkniSWaZno6j0RV6ba0xWG39jrnUMGSUDx8ft/g9YTBBtA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tYeqmQOM2o1CTkudUgBJoJO89oDfXd+2tnkFSMtCMjmeGAgUCk7H6wVhDCt0akZIirP2yygit860e2b5VbAcZbWoSBVO/wKcFbH8+UK4o67ab+EYa0sCGYowmb3+DAx3U/+jHGSkFZliXKGWuuiv0RsUpiZTQdNSlduHfSGSO8I=; gR03ZNZSfXy02GRDRUHXbXcZo7g80gVz41kl4bzA4xmJxxYoo.cmEkKxUn7V pAw1IXwJePjjZOlDpc9GTuMaFNuOruoKAGweakf49rG_qjhGaIBYeQaUbobS .oW2UnOuo06psFMg5MEq4GW_5x2Fv4EUdm3Ul1lMOnFZPWQFLkQKg1j69ud4 m7onqS86ybXAK4RSWeMWgGXjDgq.b8VAFiqalTVAeflsbgx_NSoFBsbiVmcF p1OYJLaEnXV7fVirpdfDPAnAGIs.dhyBY4GbbnRNvhRIYkkPJ6Kv9lod4.0U a3imPotn8hNgw5aHbdndBT9i4t.Kyj.EVthPGxgXDhUmNO7ExQhyYGbKVxuK I7LsV91PdLooJcHIb6mfoZhRAL5F65lyqOC9FTlqNxteVz2rHG4JgnKpPB6W pnXJchdLntc7BJjRN_oo4thuHg9np9OjFg9Ryg17G80zsSEPRfqwBA1MTTe6 g3OonKMyQ5X39sf5_DLknp5B_qv1QZTuI3ZBQsPyENFUwgSLQR3sgHho5CtL i1Ktss4ritbvp99.Bjw-- Received: from [108.234.4.203] by web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:18:36 PDT U2Vla2luZyBhZHZpY2Ugb24gcmVtb3ZhbCBvZiByZWFyIGh1Yi4gTWFkZSBhIHRvb2wgZnJvbSBzcGxpbmVkIHdpcmUgd2hlZWwgaG9sZGVyIGJ1dCBzdGlsbCB3b24ndCBidWRnZS4gSGF0ZSB0byB0cnkgSHViIGJ1c3RlciBmb3IgZmVhciBvZiBkYW1hZ2UgdG8gYXhlbC4gSHViIGlzIGRhbWFnZWQgbm93IGJ5IHVzZSBvZiB0aHJlZSBwcm9uZ2VkIHJlbW92ZXIuCktlbm55IDAxATABAQEB Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Geoghan To: "triumphs@autox.team.net\"\"\"" Subject: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Seeking advice on removal of rear hub. Made a tool from splined wire wheel holder but still won't budge. Hate to try Hub buster for fear of damage to axel. Hub is damaged now by use of three pronged remover. Kenny 01 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 06:40:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E502842715 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 06:40:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A910240E97 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 06:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e13so2237654vbg.17 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:40:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=c22HqaMfvd/aJ3L4F3Qr+i/1L703+G9GfJSpSfv3h+Y=; b=buU1jmy47Itah/GpBNFp6Fa9zBgf4qdvEXpfuvfCZ2wk1q1ilOacNTQUuckz8Nv8s1 9Z1wLRT0GGL3q64kjqiQ5p3vOvdpMfs4pMku/a07IuAxX/DdzGbLDjziF3tetMUGGqar UeEbnzYY2fEega63CtITCcWZWJM6iUaHBtcv9vHfNoUQnGtCnoXOYM56QOSts1blW1tO ExhxSnrWt9FtsooievZibZcuANQZrGjo1wly2rncPvx0QtJcu2TxNSNT7WDz12d78kaU cocvSLcokQNLrb/oFm9GCyNY0X0/fikgq4TfV/ftZuZLtGGMuTfpyIsLcjosYng3hn4M tYqw== u19mr2926681vce.3.1376743243334; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:40:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376741916.51311.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:40:43 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Thomas Geoghan Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't used his service but I think Macy's Garagedoes hub separations. Yes, a bother and time-consuming to ship them off for this but it can be a difficult task w/o the experience and specialized equipment. Geo On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Thomas Geoghan wrote: > Seeking advice on removal of rear hub. Made a tool from splined wire wheel > holder but still won't budge. Hate to try Hub buster for fear of damage to > axel. Hub is damaged now by use of three pronged remover. > Kenny 01 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 07:38:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC924270F for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 07:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F9940525 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 07:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dpd01m0030EZKEL58pdawi; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:37:34 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dpda1m00D2ymm843MpdaPT; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:37:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:37:34 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Thomas Geoghan s=q20121106; t=1376746654; bh=Atwy3JgDhjYAUxBFHwOlsAnodTcK1u0zHo5ZeA3xY0w=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DzH4nka8z/9X+6/5yi86+p7na192rcbpXowNP2y1PDh9W8XO4KVavNFSkbbv6Ffi8 iwHeB6XWnVIP2Sq+RTJVYMAO5Bnlck+tALyrgFE9+BJbuVT6LDGpxet5a0GBDsmo17 2lzs+j+qBgQHk6Q0/EkLYQ8PDSxT4LRl3DF0qcslSne9hp4ufRi7iiu5zile8l1BFQ 55PmrlASTmSLQSABrm93polotrDRpuKv543TCSkxWeC9AEYpqyPSsZwbpFQYjAJoL2 24G4GM6JLmBM6nsyc1fsi0vYOlelpRsqOeWpZWWsOuRwav8S9K5uv977eDssxcFuGm KM1InoMMHj2SA== Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net\\\"\\\"\\" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Why are you removing the hub? Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 09:28:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC6C42712 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B306D40321 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:27:36 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=7Y2SZtj0N0YA:10 a=DR1UF0znAAAA:20 a=A80JyfdnAAAA:20 a=85Xux6HFAAAA:20 a=cejDy4HRAAAA:20 a=fyjQ9iwDF1-ZzBbkG9gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E4/19-14128-7669F025; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:27:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Thomas Geoghan'" , Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:27:38 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6bRGJS00CHD8tGTxKp4GKRAwrKpAAFxlEg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Seeking advice on removal of rear hub. Made a tool from > splined wire wheel holder but still won't budge. Hate to try > Hub buster for fear of damage to axel. Hub is damaged now by > use of three pronged remover. This homemade tool looks like it would work well, if you can find the materials: http://tinyurl.com/mu6mcpj I tried several lesser setups (including a wire wheel adapter with added reinforcements). What finally worked for me was to machine some heavy (approx 1" thick) press plates to fit snugly behind the hub, with reliefs for the studs; pump up 15-20 tons of force in the press (until the frame started to bend), and then start banging on the axle with a BFH. They all popped apart after 5 or 6 blows. I put a flat washer and regular nut on the end of the axle, to help protect the threads and also keep the nut from mangling the hub when it slams into it. Might be safer to machine a little sleeve that would fit into the end of the hub, so some of the load goes against the shoulder of the axle, but I didn't do that (yet). The end of this article http://tinyurl.com/k9h7bzm Includes a drawing of the Churchill tool. Although the article was written for a TR6, the tool is the same as the TR3 except you may need to machine a relief to fit over the flanges on the studs. Lots easier to just ship the axles to Mark Macy (as Geo suggested), but I'm stubborn that way. Herman van den Akker once told me that he will do them too, but that was a lot of years ago, I don't know if he still does it or not. He created his own hydraulic version of the factory tool (naturally). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 11:00:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F06C42718 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C7B40419 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS8 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:00:00 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: "'Thomas Geoghan'" , References: <1376741916.51311.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:59:34 -0700 Thread-Index: AQLtr+w4pnsTSFC2xqXPUjG5azVex5dbdcKw Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[35C4A9D0:01CE9B6B] Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 50 ton press and an oxy-acetylene torch. Have had to do it twice now - it goes off like a gun, so make sure you have something soft under it to catch it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 12:30:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74E742712 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A2D406AE for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:24:08 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=SsJShJKAtPWmwg4tH0XFNA==:117 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=ORif51lI5EwA:10 a=YLNEdflJ0kSK1le3UN8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8cjwcFoEXr4A:10 a=vi-fYtXOVXwA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=wsmith64@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=wsmith64@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=wsmith64; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 47.17.46.190 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [47.17.46.190] ([47.17.46.190:51943] helo=[192.168.1.118]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPA id 9A/F2-14489-7CFBF025; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:24:07 -0400 From: William Smith Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:24:07 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A friend in Amagansett, NY is selling his red 1963? Austin-Healy 3000 mk3 Good shape inside and out runs and runs well has been garaged and well cared for. It is on display at V&V auto service center in Amagansett. He is asking $75,000 At the moment i only have room for my '76 TR6, so I hope someone else can give it a good home. Will Smith ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 13:33:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE0842729 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5576042722 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Duss1m0061ZXKqc5AvYTaT; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:32:27 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DvYT1m00U2ymm843hvYTJH; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:32:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1376767947; bh=Jn8ELXepOfUObO3cj7q9rlnSrbcwuV9OGxt2QLFmeTM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=h45MOQn36dLVckNuC+49AQWo4EIeq3oTrC0Tj08HXmRvkLetLwy9EQTaPhCqD/kMw QcIzTduqXYIhnUyN1BbKNjuzKcNwyVywu01ScGdY2HEK1LogguZlygO5gFd6w0DLFV jL6a8jXDFS8iI38hW55vryZlozLfgpv1XGLzaqyTRR+M4JUueyEiZ7K13i/mnbbh4G bKXmU5X/muaXx2Wd/sH6VFFYAKZc+k9NiZ0ht0/WdA4JJzTq0U+tAZo/g/HG7hsDhN 6ond9VEWhTluuKb5mlOAvBVC1Gweoxe9+NtFLwgFmVaPYoBzJdfTMoZkorX77G8WJ4 MG+GQQL1LtENg== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Most often, contamination of the rear brakes on a TR3 is from diff oil past worn axle seals, isn't it? Unless there's proof that it's grease, not oil, I'd only replace the hub seals only B if I was replacing the hub bearings. And when's the last time you had a TR3 axle bearing fail? Oh, I'm sure someone out there has lost a bearing, but it's a rare occurrence, even on a 50 year old TR. Good info on hub removal, however, it's already in the "favorites" list. Don't mean to be contrary. Just my opinion. Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geo Hahn" To: "Thomas Geoghan" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:40:43 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL I haven't used his service but I think Macy's Garagedoes hub separations. Yes, a bother and time-consuming to ship them off for this but it can be a difficult task w/o the experience and specialized equipment. Geo On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Thomas Geoghan wrote: > Seeking advice on removal of rear hub. Made a tool from splined wire wheel > holder but still won't budge. Hate to try Hub buster for fear of damage to > axel. Hub is damaged now by use of three pronged remover. > Kenny 01 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 14:24:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD17242739 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9850F42722 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id DwPq1m00D2QmmGk01wPqci; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:23:51 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:23:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] "Here is a real gem." Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net no kidding. 30,000 original miles. before you start salivating . . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Barn-find-1958-Triumph-TR3-parts-project-30-00 0-miles-/251321375347?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a83ebda73 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 15:28:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4783D42705 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E11406AE for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 21:27:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 21:27:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 21:27:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376774825; bh=hm40wbxrhUaXYp0E2on6AYhMzsjD+VFeHeF/jCFoTDU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=AxCBgXRBxoW6AOec55TX2pvXyU4p87ZlIXxF2xRU50YDTFzRSiI8/Zrp7q8IyYFahBYqoAtj6q0l+KLwXsTK8nQ9AIG+I6/7BkRnknyqbhpvuvnigmo9NiifEAZPDptpN/JccNPi60ijTgwvpC4ID132PRbsV6HzEaBdGnisDTE= gzPZu9YsYu511ugYSX2TY2ESPY1QWipVy6iuHV.gBThPWsiIm0NmTWiWYcA2 6AvK3tCV3YivOi2J9qsT5YGGrUnrrw.TAaO5Rq5Gym5fOp8ixl5ArVEpn8yO 52l63tckqOEaaRMOHqrECfTtgGrTVpEnyqlsknS6ueQcBmGQ6o1HYXI.sopg Q411F804Zx40XE0k049FsqVeys.Em2JJZGSZJd.MZ9G5w7MIYzeO99HZobBJ 4GqrdkwZ7OPGyX.0L_mwV_txhrzyWjPJt2d1Cygsa_rxT7KXg2v7DaWqIqe4 oGozJtd4KaCOdVvLt5AQPfYa9uBSOzZ75CdJIlehPxrYSFkP5RQyPM_mB53o gUbFNIOrtam7LpaEOucLY_cspvPwCngvh71VdETYnZGagHDDQwiuZuOybGhV wqhWsLbAkxeTD9TxvwUjQwZcZOBucNfd7h0MGXCxwGfpicE5wAUHlAFpQiCf fHObZfXiw0EjImZsd57GxXUdt8CLXAb7L8KYnASPEmRb4Ig-- smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2013 14:27:05 -0700 PDT From: To: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:27:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6bhJ10wpStBPrDQxOE+WFY126ExAACiKNQ Subject: [TR] FW: [Mg-t] OT: tr3 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pass along from the MG list, I know nothing else. NFI, Bill A friend really needs to sell his TR3. Car is good and price is right. B Contact Peter at:B tr3_diddums@yahoo.com Thanks for the OT space. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 16:07:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559E940EA9 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F6406A2 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id id13so2224486vcb.18 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:06:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dKljvn61TqnPMESxZ0aQAn0kcc0XQYsvDFwdH3LEtsc=; b=zSSw3alk/FpzLTt49x4bfzSs6Ve1b8D+Y405eZfxSf6ZwLBdIrXNgdNDEoiSldCqpz 0kl7uyA6igyCEh8vgwLh5+hyt8PCi39hM86L6miRs7hC9gWjeo8xKuheYtw/RugNZiKG UHH9FUpIamS2kDI6dACGqLZ1Nvsyn3xGzt2RqXL3WJTploP9ZD16hZogq5qA1/J3Y2q9 LZhyeSCrnLGrsbYTEChciDVC9YHkw/ucx54/CyvPyM+/ZlrQ8GDr3XjbLTlbMgBnikcU +z7TwO7vDfrrHkSx1SgRc+n7UbTQbBWI0yenOmO9c4nwZZtCjW+3Jmz5fJFR376QaQIf WkDQ== Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:06:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <932ACF28E7C74DA491F5FFAA597DC0FD@Datsun> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:06:41 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] "Here is a real gem." Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If someone wants a TR3A in the worst way -- this would be it. G On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Dave wrote: > no kidding. 30,000 original miles. before you start salivating . . . . > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Barn-find-1958-Triumph-TR3-parts-project-30-00 > 0-miles-/251321375347?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a83ebda73 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 16:07:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30D042744 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F693406A2 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BD5AA7000009B; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 91311E000081; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:06:55 -0400 (EDT) References: To: wsmith64@rcn.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-vd008.sysops.aol.com (205.188.20.112) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:06:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:06:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376777215; bh=+C+HIhnZxfwQQN8m+Al6Ehc3qp8MGHXbxSH7PIbQ+Rs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KSc0nR06N08OvaTAkidGdvDOt6IU/bJ9osUk3PEc2wYlXInfRaw8kfY7+4VMDFwe3 aeCzjmEmEaTcGxd9jXWCwjJG4gyVvZtZdTx3GN1gw4M0GPa7f1OepFvquyr9nN+jNa 9JPevTSfy0IQlPH4QaZarZjw804UQf1ET+xyTEME= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b520ff3ff07f2 Subject: Re: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I read the subject line and thought "what the heck is a Gold/Helium 3000?" Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: William Smith A friend in Amagansett, NY is selling his red 1963? Austin-Healy 3000 mk3 Good shape inside and out runs and runs well has been garaged and well cared for. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 16:19:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC142712 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858040EA9 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dxm01m0041afHeLA7yHb6U; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:17:35 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DyHa1m00H0GAcNo8dyHao8; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:17:34 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <1375480938.35768.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:17:35 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6PzMRPu4cY8ORCTnS1b/bUniYeRQLxce4A Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1376777855; bh=cGB99YKtCGgQJIhO5MDFckH4+DF5rcs+ww7w4UiqMPQ=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eG8CTpQUHIj4bcMhrk0YchoCxRejOKgRdp+lQaTZRgUnqj4pC8BD8tGnCq3cH5Y++ xhijAB9JtLe6U+TKyvzQ7qQ7KnkI4vpyRtfGyiAZA6Ro9wfDeYtgB/XhFbcTM/x0M7 qixrnLhhpw99C8//fIt+woKe0yDe/eSvVK+gNvl4n0/ozj1ub8xeWQpKXHcreUoYDE eyTpoyOLGeaNp0xijVIWaiPCPwuUtDp8DsPW4UYSvRCNS36LS+o0n0iMbynNLU8E/U SwJIqH3lSVMzmTwHUYEvZPwacw5gfpTBjphETfQu2OP6Ci184/tok4UwkfTzq7eUSl 01by3L7L7L4tQ== Subject: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been having this problem for awhile but it seems to be getting worse. On Tuesday it was the worst; I drove to Carmel,CA, about 1 1/2 hours. It was cool out in the morning and the car ran great. I'd already replaced points, plug, condenser, and coil and rerouted the gas line and gas filter. Coming home, the car started right up and ran well for the first 30 mins, then I got out of the coastal fog and into the sun and an ambient temperature in the 90's. Then the car started backfiring, popping, cracking and losing power. All of this at highway speeds, no lights, no stops. If I backed off the gas for a few seconds then gave it gas, it would run ok for a few seconds and then start backfiring again. Engine temp and oil pressure were normal. I nursed it home this way and parked it until the next day. I pulled the plugs and the last 2 were black and oily. The front 2 looked good, it looked like I had been running on 2 cylinders. I installed a heat shield I had ordered from TRF, removed the rear float bowl, checked the float, cleaned the bowl and valve and checked the float level. It fired right up, I then adjusted the carbs as it seems they were running too lean. This morning I drove about 15 minutes in town for breakfast then about half an hour on the highway to club gathering and it ran really great. Maybe half an hour later I went to move it and it didn't want to start. When it finally did, it was coughing and sputtering. Left the bonnet up for a bit, then it started and after coughing a bit starting running ok - clouds had come in and temperature was cool. I thought it might be a bad tank of gas, but I've had the problem in different forms through many fill-ups. I thought it might be the corn they put in the gas, but no one else seems to be having this issue. The only other thing I can think of is the fuel pump. Could that be it? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 16:43:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE65842706 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B8540E96 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fz6so3260196pac.3 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=isDO+GqpnCWo3yqXUGGhf5HdZ3lBNLq3KAIJMeGUWfk=; b=LKNVUGZtfUwLc4RgIvC1PIO28EfCKUMDR3IL7uq7zSiI0X+quyFgswx1BnQwrCfBNx tY3ehWaynU5jZiurQJy6AHwP8qxE+wGPSiBrRt74H7TkwJ/v8g5MPNjZfcojq4NwGj69 C5ViZA1DY4tQrQuwbso1R9lg7jRzDLChr8Zp4ye3jdtifnJsZHpp+LEOr/kiIFgj9rQ1 PVhlgWLSwRM9qaiTPrb3k6mNRg8jM8E38arvQ9NQ1crWvCczbT3EMmGZQ9+ngg2/yakv 90JlPE8e0Clfm8xDpGoY24zzMsednFSyLeyyLGSa/z4ln0QOAQk8PKr70l6p5joczo3V 4QgA== k16mr10301081pag.65.1376779369765; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.70.1 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <932ACF28E7C74DA491F5FFAA597DC0FD@Datsun> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:42:49 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] "Here is a real gem." Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, I've had several Triumphs that looked just like that :) On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Dave wrote: > no kidding. 30,000 original miles. before you start salivating . . . . > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Barn-find-1958-Triumph-TR3-parts-project-30-00 > 0-miles-/251321375347?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a83ebda73 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 17:08:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BBA42705 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA6740E96 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:08:00 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=AMcCE58pyngA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ebjxpeAPeqwA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=gqMdmOIsKvLYA-By5kcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A3/0B-05415-F4200125; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:07:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:08:03 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6PzMRPu4cY8ORCTnS1b/bUniYeRQLxce4AAALVF4A= Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > If I backed off the gas for a few seconds then gave it gas, it would run ok for a few seconds and then start backfiring again. That sure sounds like a fuel delivery problem, though I can't explain why it would only happen when it's hot. Did you try changing the (aftermarket) filter? Check the sediment bowl & screen? How's the tank vent? Have the soft fuel lines near the carbs been changed in the past 10 years or so? > I pulled the plugs and the last 2 were black and oily. The oily part sounds suspicious. Do you have any modifications that would increase oil on top of the cylinder head? Might be worth pulling the rocker cover, just to check that the pushrod tubes (which double as oil drains) are open. > I then adjusted the carbs as it seems they were running too lean. Can you expand a bit on that? Why did it seem too lean? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 17:12:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB56442722 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE4840E96 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:12:38 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=7Y2SZtj0N0YA:10 a=EOrg_jI1euA2suEP34QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 63/56-14128-56300125; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:12:37 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:12:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6bgJxBKnSOd3dPTFiJzraTBBEwvAAHjCrg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Most often, contamination of the rear brakes on a TR3 is from > diff oil past worn axle seals, isn't it? Yes, I agree entirely. And even when it is grease, IMO it is from adding too much grease to the bearings. Don't grease them so much, and the grease won't find it's way past the seal. (There is no vent, no where else for it to go, so too much grease has to go past either the inner or outer seal.) I've actually never had a rear wheel bearing fail, even though my last TR3A had close to 300,000 miles on it when it got wrecked. (Haven't heard back from the guy who bought the rear axle, so don't know if he rebuilt it or not.) -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 17:20:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA2242719 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B11840E96 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dyxr1m0031swQuc5EzJsFN; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from [10.225.245.42] ([174.237.33.53]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DzJi1m00g18mvZ23bzJlgs; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:18:50 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ=?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:18:49 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1376781532; bh=qR419+D2QBBm6y1OV0Ch+rOeEOd8lTpbW1c1B9s98r8=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HjgnylL1TaUD/BRyF5J3gpAcel8kP+PTJfHxU9YtKk+5/fthksLzJ5htVpupcn4PH HULqorFGBj2D6MZv46cOz5+e27GkzAwlg2UPbO1NQU7WCpAa49HBj2M26KZfd9Z4/3 ssE3/I5+a5ejuoEF90WPpH8hmRcORUi4LGS248X9QGbp0EYYm5rTDxT1jlFipyakG1 5DKoL7uYFmH5dn81vq0QKqj2YpT5UrXOGfm6tvOs5a9Yf1ywzVj9sAPf79rshbk9tE FDTRKLj9DRk6+hojLe5sOk2qxoNSfmsKXKXzp+Wc/m22c6VjrRNEO1J7oaWg5wq8Lf d0MCw20UZGm8Q== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Au/He_3000_mk3_for_sale?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For 75 grand, it can build its own house! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "William Smith" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Date: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 1:24 pm A friend in Amagansett, NY is selling his red 1963? Austin-Healy 3000 mk3 Good shape inside and out runs and runs well has been garaged and well cared for. It is on display at V&V auto service center in Amagansett. He is asking $75,000 At the moment i only have room for my '76 TR6, so I hope someone else can give it a good home. Will Smith ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 17:51:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902BC4271B for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC2340E96 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:47:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dzjd1m0011wfjNsADzns07; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:47:52 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dznr1m00X0GAcNo8jzns3S; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:47:52 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Randall'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <000001ce9b97$93d3a090$bb7ae1b0$@net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:47:53 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6PzMRPu4cY8ORCTnS1b/bUniYeRQLxce4AAALVF4AAAOWWoA== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1376783272; bh=r5nhYfhSO8J7USdE0QM679INwOO+6X6oaHeM8wrsP0s=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LnrwHH9ZqN6Ba7ioggwr2xWKI2RQqixrnPZ9DrCaI1NxSlsJ3lhRlsFcIXhHPhmtZ BY19N0HmmEB4JnjZyURbG1uQeZE4h/iVD/zasRUGAcp0lVAx7sOfx+NArx/VzV8bbe SMKHCgfh0Qb5JFVcUXEWBRUmV8kW0Pk2AQdEntnkG32XveLR+NAHb5HfTZSMx9Ak3y ZOuykl03EcsDMEJXBaSvwAj2dR9HpYVyv0RsKjAo45bwHLCmQmvy2ahhKhbIA+xq2z gLVhxtpbUhC4cGMHqcEcqaXFqF7EqeKt6YE0zF4XG6eSTQ8EssJXR9YyWqQpXmSgku w0BzgPC5iQ3cg== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I suspected vapor lock. I did clean the filter and change the element, it's one of those glass tube things- maybe I should change it. I didn't remove the sediment bowl -I will do that though I don't know why that would be heat related. I have replaced the soft lines after the fuel pump. No after market mods to the top half of the engine, but I can pull the valve cover to see if anything looks strange. It seemed too lean because when I pushed the pin or lifted the damper, it would stumble and stall. Also, on compression while driving - going down hills, downshifting for stops - there was a lot of popping, which seemed to be alleviated this morning while it was running well. I appreciate the ideas, thanks! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:08 PM To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net; 'Triumphs' Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up > If I backed off the gas for a few seconds then gave it gas, it would > run ok for a few seconds and then start backfiring again. That sure sounds like a fuel delivery problem, though I can't explain why it would only happen when it's hot. Did you try changing the (aftermarket) filter? Check the sediment bowl & screen? How's the tank vent? Have the soft fuel lines near the carbs been changed in the past 10 years or so? > I pulled the plugs and the last 2 were black and oily. The oily part sounds suspicious. Do you have any modifications that would increase oil on top of the cylinder head? Might be worth pulling the rocker cover, just to check that the pushrod tubes (which double as oil drains) are open. > I then adjusted the carbs as it seems they were running too lean. Can you expand a bit on that? Why did it seem too lean? -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 18:26:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4014271D for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698B640525 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 00:26:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.233] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 00:26:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 00:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 69085 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2013 00:26:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376785587; bh=JRS32kmh0/VHKenePiRXpWj/MnfOA6cT34u41vb19Zc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xGM2qmYPJPgxhxxJvIizWbG0KXOeWzcUU/TjEVPEM9hjuZiNA8Y9Grg4GbU6To1eychPwEkc52Tvv62NtPEivHDhFW9an8uZTEC8hUlyGLf3Wnps2RuuHuyPf6NCQ75f1HgAdG8tU+in2Cin4JM2s/OOJB3mm5fngjWeHu8YQpE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z3kHqOZnG1qdiYcCpV4Gad2IrtjHCuOr4NRIU1Plubw9/51jzFBR+rBTGxcmG+9yxwSJKj1HI7zhqxUmHokDm58ijdNko3EIdYJ52sMuhEfQFBWau+FpEcYbpBTkS1zVG0NBvTeBid7qO+MDGRGa1CIrt8uBSermyN1qJPb0G4Y=; aWY3h0PdONuQ7EOIKdT1CXoZMj0DcQiWBV3avNvN8cH6zs3ixwGhj9xDvyum LnjZ4m3b4Oc8iUOYe6hAHPHM1p9vjO2HeNjtF71ZqOuHDabR6Gn4cV1Sq2P. 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I've been simply reading them there but would like to change things. I'm using yahoo which I understand can cause trouble. My question was who do I allow to send messages to my normal addy? Can I simply make sure "triumph@autox.team.net " is accepted to my email addy? Or do I have to allow each individual who sends messages permission? thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 18:47:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F59942706 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C82426C2 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F1EA0E6F for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:46:58 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1376785586.60489.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] triumph list..........spam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary Nafziger wrote: > Can I simply make sure > "triumph@autox.team.net " is accepted to my email addy? It is triumphs - there is an s. The sender field is triumphs-bounces@... so that may work. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 07:07:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE31E426C2 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B16440446 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W96 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:03:28 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:03:28 -0400 References: , , , FILETIME=[5509F270:01CE9C13] Subject: [TR] PVGP In-car Video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A couple of minutes of in-car video from the 2013 Pittsburgh Vintage Grand prix at Pit Race I raced at last month AND FINISHED! Don't have this GoPro stuff figured out yet but this gives a short view and gives me something to watch as I get ready for R.A. and the Kastner Cup Turn up the sound. :) http://youtu.be/pc7PaNkW0Cw ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 08:34:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E0542730 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA0740541 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l10so4185075oag.5 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=uLa5KoyAkYfZZ+f2yUhzKYnvtc0ypfwPwi/KUUBdgFQ=; b=n6qRanDSTEJIZp25Drx4i6pDXib9qvXhsF0/KX1IIzqQ9+2wokkBWURsC+0lqa/DDv q3Lgs5Yw6Q9TRw3absAzvbGu5ynxyn6PMzFZeQKVJpEtVwlhy0to7xpFiB/L9e2z5zWS e5lByRrDKrqKU/xYJL4qZwPEPIE/dqiSyBJvQQluIN59AAEu85yz5qcfs9dWQ2koDsvG 0RnR5CXNW2OkwOhYgs/mQUN4k3v/e508XfQWyu5xvn35medCtkxKzWyvNPtPyUWlZJip gCrpGiWgt4ymNVwuiKO25BXz2lO/d1M4Eph/6VC3VKOWk9YMvDKYi2rpJVPIMXFETFoW gQbA== gb4mr1914247obb.43.1376836444056; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm8243347oek.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:34:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:34:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6cHEWMmeJUzWIkSIi695kuXRlw0g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] tranny cover seal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On the TR4, is it better to adhere the bottom seals for the tranny cover to the floor pan or to the cover? Just curious as I sealed to the tranny cover on my 6 years ago and seemed to work fine. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 Ocala FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:12:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6642142729 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D251C40541 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130818150935.URQX6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:09:35 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id EF9b1m00R33eLpB05F9bYk; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:09:35 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=Y-wkJ_gPtrYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=kjqkmDGsgF0A:10 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=D5Gjp3rCAAAA:20 a=lN_w7z45jHIC6snJhFsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:09:38 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <932ACF28E7C74DA491F5FFAA597DC0FD@Datsun> Subject: Re: [TR] "Here is a real gem." Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/17/2013 4:23 PM, Dave wrote: > no kidding. 30,000 original miles. before you start salivating . . . . > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Barn-find-1958-Triumph-TR3-parts-project-30-00 > 0-miles-/251321375347?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a83ebda73 aka http://tinyurl.com/barn-lost "Here's a real gem. I purchased this car several years ago, and at the time it had been barn stored since the 70's. Unfortunately it kind of fell apart when exposed to daylight. It wasn't wrecked but has body damage from being pushed around the barn." I didn't know they built barns underwater, and pushed cars around with a bulldozer... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:20:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E0842706 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1E240541 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A74D5700000A6 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 567E1E000082 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.125) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:19:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376839189; bh=/Xb1dheQtSAL+1dERgbZIF0sLNfgA5cWh6NP3jg0y+E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LEfgvZUrZPud0FpQlrU8PMdQj/UVA4iC7Y5x8P/ENNvNWElv2gN2o/2b7KVHRA57V /YAPWNwr79DkT3jUkYAE3JnGvF1HSSEc61TuX4NYk6bnqnPkMYYgY3gx94HSghrxF9 b9Klade3zoP5dYl4C5D6NB8FrO1gq7u76Q1v0Vcw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b5210e6150c4a Subject: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So, I bought this tonneau cover for the TR3 and no matter how I try to stretch it out it comes up a good half inch too short. I see that there are two models listed in the Moss catalog and perhaps I got the wrong one. Does anyone know the difference between the two? TIA Dave Massey ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:29:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE64042715 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71AA40397 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 15:28:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.12] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 15:28:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 15:28:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376839715; bh=5T+BrLVOHrzwdLL0EtHSm8dDrsset2ue9NVGMcuacI8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=D/RsvYSyMGiRQyNAm1mmZfp6TluqDDOXAaTWORkHXsifX4TBLD6fQR3cAvI2oW3kXh8uwq8P86+A9hnEIeHLdfMAOEu5NAypuAspZiPDWGDe8/dC7/BOgEY00InGcy5jPXMB1kuMkY6DqBW2CyLGGKHwAKYG/XRnzNUE9OpS+/4= LHC0KXAiCY.YXwZOAaQj5TOsTvoHnXQgQG9B2ONK1VF8fhJ8c.bLM8Re7uRv deR0Jwke5AOz6QMSuG1uvBUbgvQRZeZwLLXpa5..tW.GEi2.6ScsLrGGxhCL wrjHuVLE1PepAb8ddU9ggbLdauUTbb6KsFIjtggMIuUiBAARzheb4JWayn8q GD1fwUcIEpEmQhGyg676IEYUVyoiVmS7SCgFJ4ZnLCUYLMVtOOzcFJflAkUB 2HwgbpumG7OL_zsMLx_7ZqBAl7fI5pR5a7cejaB_fnl1QaYo0zCUtzSMNTaO wlg3zbdkDPXIvRjJZkPw8pEnajylubcJt6lAby9jvRSyxUWEjqki425zbhe7 QbNGgQTkYHOdjBkkDvKBso_Mv7MlntJPwih52uT6.r2GTs3OUQVYWRZtQ08y hfqRefsgep2qfzBfqvSIkasJWM4LoTXO6PLsXfaJ78whmIRPKjdWG.5G.kqR RJfiKzPhkjYk0v9uVJgXXqn96_caNlqbuUpRIq9zCFElO7KWGEFV6tAVAkvw 1YgjLpGJyeB4tInAOv65aW4FWneViWCJgjP_5q_7ySMDmKdEsVbd2eDO_b.C 1NA-- by smtp112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2013 08:28:35 -0700 PDT References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:28:35 -0500 To: Dave Massey Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The placement of the first LTD peg behind the door changed at the noted Comm number. I found I needed to leave mine out in the sun for a couple of hours in order to soften it up and stretch it into place. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Dave Massey wrote: > So, I bought this tonneau cover for the TR3 and no matter how I try to stretch > it out it comes up a good half inch too short. I see that there are two > models listed in the Moss catalog and perhaps I got the wrong one. Does > anyone know the difference between the two? > > TIA > > > Dave Massey > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:34:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E85242576 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DDD40397 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u10so2407444lbi.14 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=h4qDslmR5MjVHG92lAeJNEZVMfkstH6GWQ0vIJdMJcQ=; b=NoxdhuhlhiwyS6b39chS5ffdgq2pUC6skOgtuni5Lz8lFXBBub8Pr9KEY3RZp1YlTo L8zIhfQq33IIBvdV2dsFZBZXTqyIDMA1E80uHurs7Zi0wl8O3pPp6TuEHMzxjoJNnz4L BqeyjWs11ggXFjwGu5P4XgjofFwG+8Fo+Qa6o3deBv1XIeT2w7U4UqLehIt3yEme/hT3 l7/6B+z6VvK3MNVTc/54n/OboO0JjOV3+X441Cbdij99WKv6F8CqN0UuVerM0bn3ZbqO 55aaNRl+vkeUiKVjJibJV2ruZbGbrwkquH6TNyIgjnUpuJixr/03oiZ+ZsYhOYvLOWyf kmsg== z5mr1179845lad.31.1376840025927; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:33:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <01e701ce9c20$050eb6e0$0f2c24a0$@gmail.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:33:25 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] tranny cover seal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've only ever done it on the tunnel. Or just used sealer only. Never tried the other way. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:34 AM, James Henningsen wrote: > On the TR4, is it better to adhere the bottom seals for the tranny cover to > the floor pan or to the cover? Just curious as I sealed to the tranny > cover > on my 6 years ago and seemed to work fine. > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > Ocala FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:43:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F7342708 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF7E40397 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W35 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:38:07 -0700 From: tom white To: Dave Massey , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:38:06 +0000 References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> FILETIME=[EF75E930:01CE9C28] Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net " no matter how I try to stretch it out it comes up a good half inch too short." Too short in which direction? Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:58:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A84B42712 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42654038B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS14 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:54:37 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: , "'Triumphs'" References: <1375480938.35768.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001ce9b97$93d3a090$bb7ae1b0$@net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:54:11 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJq3fCawNhIPrrj4Qu0fOcKxXASvgIniRmXmFFd9VA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[3DF50E40:01CE9C2B] Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check your oil and make sure you didn't blow a head gasket. Its also likely you have a vacuum leak around your new shield and it's causing the car to run lean and therefore hot. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:18 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up I've been having this problem for awhile but it seems to be getting worse. On Tuesday it was the worst; I drove to Carmel,CA, about 1 1/2 hours. It was cool out in the morning and the car ran great. I'd already replaced points, plug, condenser, and coil and rerouted the gas line and gas filter. Coming home, the car started right up and ran well for the first 30 mins, then I got out of the coastal fog and into the sun and an ambient temperature in the 90's. Then the car started backfiring, popping, cracking and losing power. All of this at highway speeds, no lights, no stops. If I backed off the gas for a few seconds then gave it gas, it would run ok for a few seconds and then start backfiring again. Engine temp and oil pressure were normal. I nursed it home this way and parked it until the next day. I pulled the plugs and the last 2 were black and oily. The front 2 looked good, it looked like I had been running on 2 cylinders. I installed a heat shield I had ordered from TRF, removed the rear float bowl, checked the float, cleaned the bowl and valve and checked the float level. It fired right up, I then adjusted the carbs as it seems they were running too lean. This morning I drove about 15 minutes in town for breakfast then about half an hour on the highway to club gathering and it ran really great. Maybe half an hour later I went to move it and it didn't want to start. When it finally did, it was coughing and sputtering. Left the bonnet up for a bit, then it started and after coughing a bit starting running ok - clouds had come in and temperature was cool. I thought it might be a bad tank of gas, but I've had the problem in different forms through many fill-ups. I thought it might be the corn they put in the gas, but no one else seems to be having this issue. The only other thing I can think of is the fuel pump. Could that be it? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jagmog@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 09:59:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3A842724 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9294038B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:57:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-DS7 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:57:35 -0700 From: Jonas Payne To: , References: <20130817232046.3BD28426C2@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:57:09 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFZgWZu5mYdaMfkEYP8ZvEBJhqmX5qFU7lA Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[A7F8CBB0:01CE9C2B] Subject: Re: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 75k is the price on a recent very good restoration in this market, I sold one last year and am wrapping one up this year. Your friend may want to talk to somebody about where the market is at on these cars currently if he's really interested in moving it along. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 10:46:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCA842708 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD64403C5 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EFSl1m00216LCl05DGlar4; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:45:34 +0000 Received: from [10.225.245.42] ([174.237.33.53]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EGlQ1m01818mvZ23SGlTvB; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:45:32 +0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:45:31 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1376844334; bh=hCaFSKLXWafGQmK+DBDv6QLvD0G6xVzFFJo09fQrfik=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oZxsZV8UooXI/RBCt+6fHPUHdjFNkzxIAMmI00y9uxb8umknXdt2y9Ie5GTqXe67w mdUoH+habs3VQZElGrhC8PjUemSD25o2VdH+tkLEzChNytPgeYyJDa2xABPQIjcQCl Tzjojyt+sbfWrVKA5rt1MpdDbIOmsclLL30j1z/NeePuEBXczjOTfgtloSUQVwvYJS EcqDiD1t+vdFhiw+2ng9DDH14h9eOi9ieqWHpxRVsfviJAjLt3wOjtuCtlXlDjBlyX MFm1G9MqZI0Lq7zJJIzzPs05lYzqDk44Hx1qxovFxsQlHvrfSb+6fhVme2POf3u9eM u1GK9yoKs6LIA== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Au/He_3000_mk3_for_sale?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Average on those Healeys (auctions) appear to be around 37.8-40k. The exceptional car might bring more at a select auction. (Heck, I sold a MG TD for 32k!) Highs appear to be around 70k, lows about 12.5, but as you all know "There's a butt for every seat.". If you can unload one for eighty, that's free market forces at work! The collapsing dollar is beginning to attract overseas buyers by the boatload. I sold two sunbeam tigers, one to Switzerland and the other into France for money well above the US market. So, enjoy 'em while you have 'em! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jonas Payne" To: , Subject: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Date: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:57 am 75k is the price on a recent very good restoration in this market, I sold one last year and am wrapping one up this year. Your friend may want to talk to somebody about where the market is at on these cars currently if he's really interested in moving it along. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 11:19:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173DF42736 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F64403F1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id o6so4367618oag.41 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:19:29 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YMkG/Ru9vYVbCfd0ZLOPi29Sa3Y5VbibdnMgJ0tGp4Y=; b=BrFvm1/IfgiV82SqRmjuG6yrhx2olJbQtePQbrtpsxIPLJPHstF1XIOI6wvfkZLYW/ uXVUFnVrSX/ojMEz731lCn7qS3l2NI5uUxi4Ycqk7eX9hTJ9i3DoEIiPIJihH2sc3YPX z3NTEmCLHt/3q0iquKKwNt8FLUQ1b6DQbVftF9AdQ8XfXc6LO0ciEDRmq9YX0rt9fGzO moyPDTvUJLgbyW/Tueg9qJHCCBLondPzPneNGpi0yQ4JoxNJp2taCjqURA2YKa1gdPFB MNHWeeVgRzBU0dthaJpT6cWcWT78NL++cOYSC/2NE5Dg2tkZiOjvy0g5ZHba69BCgHTE 16Tg== Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hl3sm9314254obb.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:19:24 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20130818164608.B6A4642750@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/18/13 9:45 AM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > The collapsing dollar is beginning to attract overseas buyers by the boatload. > I sold two sunbeam tigers, one to Switzerland and the other into France for money well above the US market. > So, enjoy 'em while you have 'em! > Beginning? In the 1980s there were a lot of people making a living by going around and buying every British sports car and Porsche they could find and reselling them overseas. For at least a decade exporters were vacuuming up any British sports car they could find and making good money after all the export and sales fees were paid. We went from British sports cars being everywhere to rarely seen in a decade. In the late 1980's I decided I could not keep 3 cars so decided to sell my 1968 MGBGT. The BGT had a near fresh engine and overdrive gearbox. The suspension and steering was in very good condition. The interior was complete and in good used cosmetic condition. The body was dent free and without rust. BUT the paint was wearing thin. You could see the primer showing under the colour in places. Because of the worn paint no one who looked at it wanted to pay more than $1000 for the car. I ended up selling it to a retiring Australian university professor for almost twice my original asking price. He saw the straight rust free body and nearly fresh drive train and thought it a good buy. I would have preferred to keep it in the States but no one wanted to pay for the car and for having it painted. Most of our cars are already in Europe, Australia and Japan. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 11:23:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7708D4276B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0F40075 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:23:39 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=nFx1VBj7JWUA:10 a=LYs2sqVMAAAA:20 a=55cNEQVILRmM8hHMlr0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=tTFMFDeDC7URVrl5:21 a=X1YqcS_5krh0luzo:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55015] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5C/A5-15971-A1301125; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:23:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave Massey'" , Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:23:43 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6cJnERFPCejYRtQBimEGhJ5oRwAQADMb7Q Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So, I bought this tonneau cover for the TR3 and no matter how > I try to stretch it out it comes up a good half inch too > short. That has been pretty much my experience as well, with covers from both Moss & TRF. Generally I can just barely stretch them enough when they are new, but then the vinyl shrinks with exposure until it literally rips the zipper apart, or bends the studs. It's not clear to me whether the problem is that the patterns used have shrunk (or eroded) over the years, or whether there was really that much variation in the cars; but I suspect that both are true. I also believe at this point that there were at least 5 and maybe 6 distinctly different patterns for tonneau covers. If you check the TRF "Glove Box Companion", it was a write-up of 4 variations, but none of them seemed to match TS39781LO or my current TS13571L. Amusingly, the Moss website has a photo of a cover that does not properly fit the car it is installed on (doesn't cover the front corner studs). Also, Charles loaned me his custom-made tonneau cover for a test fitting; and it was a full inch larger in both length and width than my car is! The doors were taken to bare metal during the second respray and there were no signs of the holes having been relocated, so I believe the locations are original to the car. It was also the wrong pattern (as expected), but Charles' late TR3A is clearly slightly bigger than my current late TR3 (and previous early TR3A). Here are some photos I took, if anyone is interested. The little orange squares mark the stud location under the cover. http://tinyurl.com/k6ktcwh (click on the little magnifying glass in the lower RH corner to zoom in for a better view). My conclusion is that the only way to get a proper tonneau fit is to make one to fit the car (or have it made). I approached one shop who did not seem interested, so my current plan is to make one. Won't be cheap (especially since I bought the wife a new heavy-duty sewing machine as part of the deal) but hopefully I'll wind up with something that actually fits, and a pattern to ease the work the next time I need a new cover. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 11:35:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A7742705 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA9340355 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EHS11m0051u4NiLA3HaUhR; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:34:28 +0000 Received: from Dell ([24.5.127.12]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EHaT1m00a0GAcNo8hHaUTY; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:34:28 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Jonas Payne'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1375480938.35768.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001ce9b97$93d3a090$bb7ae1b0$@net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:34:29 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJq3fCawNhIPrrj4Qu0fOcKxXASvgIniRmXmFFd9VCAABrHYA== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1376847268; bh=iDEn9S1M+wC3G2BeLRlbnLK06iWdppDIBTLhTfPS6sQ=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s/BPGOtgns6Qz+aF8xR7fojzY8RYreacwgWDkplFKCe4aFEGa/MFHCwnP5NIgkRLP Tl5XZQeLBJkrbbOyIkjFjnijJ/yiLDNFm8+U6BCw2XmZ6EfNVyB16We1a9P+xlY5rO /12PrPrfqOm7lM6djkLIgJMSAvmIQq+YxQbyMsgwe1XYalyHpMIsHpl0CpeuXOo8/c tJDGxmfQbiqNdxPPiiU1nJ+YsreGiboSz6AYIIZ0N0ebFElrgQorxn7reBozyth9f9 FzdacQ2hLz/jihcUqQAQblFlxRgh193l9f9aOpursmN/mD9yOS08WA8tFYvtmIe64n khdv99qS7ppzQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Jonas. Did check the oil, all is well. The problem started before I installed the heat shield, but I'll check for vacuum leaks again. -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Payne [mailto:jagmog@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:54 AM To: kinderlehrer@comcast.net; 'Triumphs' Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up Check your oil and make sure you didn't blow a head gasket. Its also likely you have a vacuum leak around your new shield and it's causing the car to run lean and therefore hot. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting 702-882-6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:18 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] TR3A running poorly when outside temp goes up I've been having this problem for awhile but it seems to be getting worse. On Tuesday it was the worst; I drove to Carmel,CA, about 1 1/2 hours. It was cool out in the morning and the car ran great. I'd already replaced points, plug, condenser, and coil and rerouted the gas line and gas filter. Coming home, the car started right up and ran well for the first 30 mins, then I got out of the coastal fog and into the sun and an ambient temperature in the 90's. Then the car started backfiring, popping, cracking and losing power. All of this at highway speeds, no lights, no stops. If I backed off the gas for a few seconds then gave it gas, it would run ok for a few seconds and then start backfiring again. Engine temp and oil pressure were normal. I nursed it home this way and parked it until the next day. I pulled the plugs and the last 2 were black and oily. The front 2 looked good, it looked like I had been running on 2 cylinders. I installed a heat shield I had ordered from TRF, removed the rear float bowl, checked the float, cleaned the bowl and valve and checked the float level. It fired right up, I then adjusted the carbs as it seems they were running too lean. This morning I drove about 15 minutes in town for breakfast then about half an hour on the highway to club gathering and it ran really great. Maybe half an hour later I went to move it and it didn't want to start. When it finally did, it was coughing and sputtering. Left the bonnet up for a bit, then it started and after coughing a bit starting running ok - clouds had come in and temperature was cool. I thought it might be a bad tank of gas, but I've had the problem in different forms through many fill-ups. I thought it might be the corn they put in the gas, but no one else seems to be having this issue. The only other thing I can think of is the fuel pump. Could that be it? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jagmog@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 11:46:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19154273C for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C3C403EC for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EGqN1m00227AodY59HmGcz; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:46:16 +0000 Received: from [10.233.195.162] ([174.237.8.83]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EHm41m0131nVWaN3fHm7xq; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:46:14 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?VGVyaUFubiBKLiBXYWtlbWFu?=" ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:46:13 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1376847976; bh=3YzuNbJdJk0BEqLxcKhdE9gjqLw3YyqeiPmMZm6Fzj4=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PLrdM/HvK6/1UyehizKwR901wdJ3yMRQ+2gaPVq08WWE91SpzEfeoXanCBJlrGf+Z xw8QqENWSPh0SgEp3tJHkKAqDDlppqabvMLzjwi9vsfYY1sa4x0mvFEXvVHVLEVT3d BR1nSipPOrmnRfl4dyGZo0cagAdNOgNQiVcV1IWcVgI47ziz0izaeSvBufKpulBbRF U0Qxp+ykiRpO+oBZzmgZKKTiZW9wtaYv9bxcHQlKPWlPnq8yywvYXL8WiI+w4x7bwO AmGcCQhvU2/nx5aYCjT2XwpyjCSWe49XYZtSKQDETu97ec9Dy58OALeAK55ZbY5fGH VyYO/9pZ0n66Q== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Au/He_3000_mk3_for_sale?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the early eighties I used to import Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati, etc. because the dollar was super strong. During the same period, though, due to a fluke in British import taxation, I sold many slightly funky cars into England. I suspect your Australian took part in this little crack in taxes, too. If a car was imported as a parts car, taxes were significantly lower than on a nice and complete car. In the early eighties, the dollar reached an exchange rate of 3.58 German marks per. The lira...well, I used to joke that if you wanted to feel like a millionaire, pay for breakfast! Money was made on Mercedes primarily because MBNA had agreed to pay a set number of dollars for cars, so as the worth of the dollar climbed, the dollars paid bought more DM. Mercedes was making out like bandits! A 500SEL sold through a dealer here was priced nearly 20k more than a better equipped 500SEL brought in, esp. if you used a personal one time exemption. MBNA HATED it. International classic car selling is basically money speculation. (The American dollar is so weak now, other currencies are being considered for reserve currency status for the first time in 80 years.) So, if the want maximum numbers of dollars for your car, now's a good time to sell overseas. If you're overseas, and want to pay less numbers of euros or pounds for a classic, now's the time to shop America. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Subject: [TR] Au/He 3000 mk3 for sale Date: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 12:19 pm On 8/18/13 9:45 AM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > The collapsing dollar is beginning to attract overseas buyers by the boatload. > I sold two sunbeam tigers, one to Switzerland and the other into France for money well above the US market. > So, enjoy 'em while you have 'em! > Beginning? In the 1980s there were a lot of people making a living by going around and buying every British sports car and Porsche they could find and reselling them overseas. For at least a decade exporters were vacuuming up any British sports car they could find and making good money after all the export and sales fees were paid. We went from British sports cars being everywhere to rarely seen in a decade. In the late 1980's I decided I could not keep 3 cars so decided to sell my 1968 MGBGT. The BGT had a near fresh engine and overdrive gearbox. The suspension and steering was in very good condition. The interior was complete and in good used cosmetic condition. The body was dent free and without rust. BUT the paint was wearing thin. You could see the primer showing under the colour in places. Because of the worn paint no one who looked at it wanted to pay more than $1000 for the car. I ended up selling it to a retiring Australian university professor for almost twice my original asking price. He saw the straight rust free body and nearly fresh drive train and thought it a good buy. I would have preferred to keep it in the States but no one wanted to pay for the car and for having it painted. Most of our cars are already in Europe, Australia and Japan. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 12:02:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE50242729 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DF042576 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8B264700000A7 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.252.19.66] (97.sub-174-236-70.myvzw.com [174.236.70.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 494D9E00038E for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:58:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Schwartz Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:58:46 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376848729; bh=W8qzzhrunKWRuxc+8I2C6rix5D/FftvCh8ZRNoHT3g0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=XBZOH4Meiwh1QdWEXtY3kX+7u5REvzE8Fn8chKhszeDf+L4IpBMrNhQST87Scap8l AguhFwHa4Hm2zN61IZCrLURZ1B0B0Hf9YSBZTkvBBezdLyKOsd8QQupiiz/mHWU1At SKeHgdJQ59OUpqXV26Woag5G2apNJHLlHCqxqju0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294452110b590c86 Subject: [TR] Tr- tr3 original Aeros windscreens f/s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I have a pair of original Aero windscreens f/s. As you know these are very rare and to find a set is a once in a lifetime. In addition, I have a left side Lemans wrap around windscreen f/s too. I want to move it as a set. Please contact me off list--- l1j1s@aol.com. Cheers, Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 13:23:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC19342724 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580340411 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 19:22:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.183] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 19:22:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1094.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2013 19:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 90434 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2013 19:22:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376853775; bh=FsT8SYy7tszPeCvynU87wial9DRlFy4AKP51UHnuV18=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B1bTMeq/ZFNjoXenie05XaP1eW3rNITFlu5W6HKH0JQiLTMwitORXV29+aJtL4RLyq0lJ7d9M9xC3C/m5iE073K4Usx5g/sgmfPhiL3OH+fFx/ohGqF7H5Zwa/dRNsBh9afdAfxUTYVXcO5A+fW4a4rftUK7biYK8smducls5Mk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WSO4MQ3orAmWu8drAfECHwIwjcCnkGqDev2oCuGL4g7oyHqfBv3nyeBR1TCpdBMjXuPOoNkLxwREAvglJspHJpJez9QDtyoF8RzoMKwbQ/1fyiEEvLRDW8+QUirNFxgMTyRRvt1ay+iqSxqcJatFQWFHh8PJTsUSCkLJHNlX8Ws=; QKfJMFA0DlzK9936VGvxk_B5uqZEwxo.gACUBZakm8tbDPKlOEhzlq7u9oxY yoINh8yKxl9pI0.sOhMTMdiyTbAxf24E5L7R5_E48cb8iuwn6bCMLgGHNkRI iGzCHqL17kT0mb7TtiFQWgDXYqiyKE2a.CKIzpclg3202bIHPjc7ph6AdAPx AT777GU1hZbFh10jLFf1huXEsuIbnETyXWkTrC1RhH1HK5Gn4g0mJlKsmu4t JXZcNwkmXJO1IWNd5EtQ3Vmaq_N6rSByFjJmj.w7uyHhRqv9sDkLZnJyMj6P rfN.YVGmKgqmXSDsguOY0uHIJVkbaxUNBhpNpco4p2b.b9ZLRx41sGnKoUeF zP9paZs08s5fk0Bn6QA7R8a1lCUZrqV0TQH8m1RVtGhze7xuTOIUMmjhavbT q30ck2lMrurPRPLSro5RZqEVpEpe0J36mAAaNctvGzDX2UNgKFuQ.a5xWXk8 s1U7G.kTqPdzmJaqWQOf_bJ9wcXTGANK.B0U6aTking7VdCephN3r3.mTZEe TdD3kCzlV_kEQxHV_Sxqjxrz6CfGP0rhwaVfLWvuYka82xe_y0L67fWqKiTp c7dfZBaUrgfjXakffl.F3Ds6QxROLDcSyQKVLeCcKBHdRCrap.hVkLH6O9Fu vbCiaWrWOrA-- Received: from [108.0.20.132] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:22:54 PDT dmVyeSBuaWNlLgpkZXNwaXRlIGxpdmluZyBpbiBJbmRpYW5hIFBBIGZvciBzb21lIHllYXJzIEkgbmV2ZXIgZGlkIG1ha2UgaXQgdG8gV29vZGxleSBwYXJrLgp0aGUgb25lIHllYXIgSSBkaWQgbWFrZSBpdCwgaXQgd2FzIGNhbmNlbGVkIGR1ZSB0byBzb21lIHBvb3Igc291bCBoYXZpbmcgYSBmYXRhbCBjcmFzaC4KYnV0IG9uZSBkYXkuLmlsbCBiZSBiYWNrCkZyYW5rCgpGcm9tOiBtYXJ0eSBzdWtleSA8dHJtYXJ0eUBob3RtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IFRyaXVtcGggTGlzdCA8dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS4BMAEBAQE- References: , , , Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: marty sukey , Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] PVGP In-car Video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net very nice. despite living in Indiana PA for some years I never did make it to Woodley park. the one year I did make it, it was canceled due to some poor soul having a fatal crash. but one day..ill be back Frank From: marty sukey To: Triumph List Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:03 AM Subject: [TR] PVGP In-car Video A couple of minutes of in-car video from the 2013 Pittsburgh Vintage Grand prix at Pit Race I raced at last month AND FINISHED! Don't have this GoPro stuff figured out yet but this gives a short view and gives me something to watch as I get ready for R.A. and the Kastner Cup Turn up the sound. :) http://youtu.be/pc7PaNkW0Cw ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:23:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C0740557 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97B04038C for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1D93F700000AA for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.185.156.227] (238.sub-70-208-195.myvzw.com [70.208.195.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DCDE8E000129 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Darrell Floyd Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:18:12 -0400 To: TRiumphs x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376864308; bh=YhPt+vYx+HbDJKRNMr96Ba1p4fYd0QKIbQpJbQfZD7I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=wuWbNzLzBgb00mWhQMcobl68E2lZ0pJK+OG+MeIKTiv7h2u1MnS9UoN4fHHjnvk8O lyLSLn6TdtlPHAt8ueN/fjLLbn1ptbbZ6UIsV4+2SLfo65Z7qYp5cIWgxe8UsWBAkX tQgKe6U1YOlSfDxiLdASoN/rsEffXWBc3Nx4Db7I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290352114833259e Subject: [TR] Got Judson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey List, I guess you only go around once so I have purchased a Judson SuperCharger for the 63 TR4 restoration. It was a long search but a fellow from the TRA Forum responded to my inquiry with a refurbished model TR Judson. It has the 2 quart metal oiler and not the more familiar 1 quart glass jar variety?? It does not have the proper Judson boost gauge so I am looking for one of those. Also missing is any TR linkage to the Holley Carb and the support bar to the exhaust manifold so I am also looking for help in that regard. I have another question for anyone in the know: I intended on using the Later TR4 exhaust manifold but now I am wondering it that is going to work? Thanks in Advance, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:24:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8CC42724 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A334038C; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id ENM41m00H2QmmGk01NM4Cr; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:21:05 -0700 x-spam-cmae: v=2.0 cv=W7/mo2qk c=1 sm=1 p=-ZjyznvPJ6bucMOf:21 a=Q9VJQ2LdYBEGV+uvwWMs5g==:17 a=e2r1q2rJzzkA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=xXZYpR52ePp-rDdDSV8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0D7mUQRM9GEA:10 a=R3PFQ0Ln8ZEA:10 a=mzSZwvCN88sA:10 a=zwcm-cCIeQXyyVssexwA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Q9VJQ2LdYBEGV+uvwWMs5g==:117 x-spam-account: dave@ranteer.com x-spam-domain: ranteer.com From: "Dave" To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:21:08 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I looked at a TR6 today here in Dallas. http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4006616417.html good solid car, no serious rust issues, ran and drove great. just needs paint, interior, and a new transmission. oh, one other thing. the title, and the vin plate which was obviously re-rivited back in place, were 72. the car was clearly 73 by the gauges and the lack of a floor mounted dip switch. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:54:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA9E42715 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77E7403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC26AA0E6F for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:53:56 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: TRiumphs References: <2EB19F34-A358-494B-BCCF-2DB89CCAD892@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Got Judson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darrell Floyd wrote: > Hey List, > I guess you only go around once so I have purchased a Judson SuperCharger for > the 63 TR4 restoration There is a superchargers@autox.team.net list, but I don't think it has seen a post in quite some time. It might be worth posting there, though. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:14:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFD740541 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47ED4035A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA30E700000B1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 94373E000081 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:14:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376867656; bh=0sKfkcUX8Vqo/qGdDpk8FcS9Wrk065p0ZV/v5ZqIuuw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aFmZpDaBu76XI3ica730r7W3QQMGcYrrkYmNpeA8Nwa4bymaKNfjGwno/7OpaHOcF MFFQKsSGgt5hz2i93Hikn2iy7TTDUlcRVKyhAzFqaDtnIlXs2E5VJmaQMuYzN2eU2Y O+AjeIFu/CqYegr7ABnq4KteefyfcHF4ihwH06IQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a521155482b1e Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fore/aft. I haven't checked the port/starboard fit. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: tom white To: Dave Massey ; triumphs Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:38 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover " no matter how I try to stretch it out it comes up a good half inch too short." Too short in which direction? Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:24:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE4342706 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5B8403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 68431700000B0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.185.156.227] (238.sub-70-208-195.myvzw.com [70.208.195.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 1FE9CE000B60; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:23:57 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> <8D06A7FCB3BAAE0-970-4843A@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> From: Darrell Floyd Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:23:55 -0400 To: Dave Massey x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376868237; bh=fg4W6+AVtRD4xowYKzxR7PnluR0ar3RgOR+sH9mpSsw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=tC9xuL7E3mUWPc/vSbC8tWyIlUrwEoDY/mqYDD2XraAQSMW4MuaOZraCR1i1tYTgE rPTiEpKKL39Pe8BIa5fSWZ46gFv0rEv1bXNiIt4pimfrn4RqqrzHTjqiq30PrDnBhY eQMkK1TLv+1FipH+80qAoFjED2fT2NjRFw7myAw8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29025211578d64ea Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Dum question but normally when purchasing a tonneau,boot cover or top etc. the snaps are not installed so one can adjust the fit to one's car by installing the snaps where they required to be. I just did that procedure on a new TR8 boot cover since my very nice original was eatin by a bunch of rouge mices. Darrell Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Dave Massey wrote:ru > Fore/aft. I haven't checked the port/starboard fit. > > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tom white > To: Dave Massey ; triumphs > Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover > > > > " no matter how I try to stretch > it out it comes up a good half inch too short." > > > > Too short in which direction? > > > > Best regards, > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:42:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92717403A6 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:42:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE60B403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B64E87000008D for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 87311E000087 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> <3D92D047-3748-4C75-BA96-22288854AADC@flash.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:42:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376869323; bh=A7uEve2SS7Nyc/IFqm81lbP00QStzcrd0gOs8iwb+ag=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uMiXIX3XRBx/OebCU5/yOqa+79zzXwIL2X+LIeAEMtdYOeiO3Yk9YTIGbajJW52dZ h7HoMceZY+95CsT9qDEOOSL/n50xwyOEMUmLPILvMQRGViHYvefWJYLgf6AP8oBBwJ 1RTp8CxmadMQ63WGEKjH1f/i594EJ5smref2jpP0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a52115bcb18ef Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Since the snaps are sent uninstalled I wonder why there would be a separate listing for that. But that is not my issue. My problem is that the front to back length is about a half inch short (I have not checked the R\L fit). I didn't think they changed that dimension during the years but we all know the definition of assume. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: WBEECH To: Dave Massey Cc: triumphs Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:28 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover The placement of the first LTD peg behind the door changed at the noted Comm number. I found I needed to leave mine out in the sun for a couple of hours in order to soften it up and stretch it into place. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Dave Massey wrote: > So, I bought this tonneau cover for the TR3 and no matter how I try to stretch > it out it comes up a good half inch too short. I see that there are two > models listed in the Moss catalog and perhaps I got the wrong one. Does > anyone know the difference between the two? > > TIA > > > Dave Massey > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:53:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97EB403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E77403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B454F70001D47 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 90664E000086 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:48:13 -0400 (EDT) References: <5C.A5.15971.A1301125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:48:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:48:13 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376869693; bh=jX2dneYlLENqGLlTC+g3uUi0f5bWRDk5roWh1M0eipU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FggBGEt83h+s1sU5BBOat0W7kPHbfhFILjjGAvjkRLObCt1419qgEiG/IW3QykQOi vh5zxrN7Y+toyL0aZ1jQl7kEso9lyNLIF+WkVpX5cBAGdvF+dvHXF7u+ySHehC7YnV 6QwrLj/O5kcegJvC7Jc26zg2+Cgx0O+UXFptLhi0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b52115d3d4dbb Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the advice. I know a guy who knows a guy who makes a living making boat covers and this would be right up his alley. But time is short and I doubt I could get that done by the time I leave for Triumphest. I'm also thinking that this may be more than a one man operation to get things stretched and positioned properly so I think I will seek out professional help (something my wife says I should have done years ago ;-) ) Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Dave Massey' ; triumphs Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 12:23 pm Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover > So, I bought this tonneau cover for the TR3 and no matter how > I try to stretch it out it comes up a good half inch too > short. That has been pretty much my experience as well, with covers from both Moss & TRF. Generally I can just barely stretch them enough when they are new, but then the vinyl shrinks with exposure until it literally rips the zipper apart, or bends the studs. It's not clear to me whether the problem is that the patterns used have shrunk (or eroded) over the years, or whether there was really that much variation in the cars; but I suspect that both are true. I also believe at this point that there were at least 5 and maybe 6 distinctly different patterns for tonneau covers. If you check the TRF "Glove Box Companion", it was a write-up of 4 variations, but none of them seemed to match TS39781LO or my current TS13571L. Amusingly, the Moss website has a photo of a cover that does not properly fit the car it is installed on (doesn't cover the front corner studs). Also, Charles loaned me his custom-made tonneau cover for a test fitting; and it was a full inch larger in both length and width than my car is! The doors were taken to bare metal during the second respray and there were no signs of the holes having been relocated, so I believe the locations are original to the car. It was also the wrong pattern (as expected), but Charles' late TR3A is clearly slightly bigger than my current late TR3 (and previous early TR3A). Here are some photos I took, if anyone is interested. The little orange squares mark the stud location under the cover. http://tinyurl.com/k6ktcwh (click on the little magnifying glass in the lower RH corner to zoom in for a better view). My conclusion is that the only way to get a proper tonneau fit is to make one to fit the car (or have it made). I approached one shop who did not seem interested, so my current plan is to make one. Won't be cheap (especially since I bought the wife a new heavy-duty sewing machine as part of the deal) but hopefully I'll wind up with something that actually fits, and a pattern to ease the work the next time I need a new cover. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:54:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EC54274E for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CCD40411 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B68807003F604 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8817EE000081 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> <8D06A7FCB3BAAE0-970-4843A@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:53:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376870013; bh=raYhHcv5IKFyh6jtjHZyYj2P5AgEoF2JSum2m2A2fFI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u5Roa4/isGH54Ot1k7hcpAtJ6qAuNHWzt1oaGE5nEUGcKlrwmImOzNyYeyVGGfFEv MH1QubEj5K+zKKgzj6W5pFNfi9aA3TcWncgjy9zMauOgL5fj8rZRzNtBFxQZvugI33 U3etnLX2tFlA4ypX2tBJTmp2CPQMvinSCCWm6BuM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c852115e7d0412 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You're right, Darrell, I have a bag of them here. But unless there is a way to mount those snaps half on the tonneau and half off I don't know if I can get the thing mounted. But I get a lot of "you have to let it sit in the sun and warm up" type of advice so I think I will do that. BTW the TR3 grills (not the TR3A grills) being sold by Moss and TRF don't fit, either, but for the opposite reason: too big. Thanks and see you in 6 weeks. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Darrell Floyd To: Dave Massey Cc: triumphs Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Dave, Dum question but normally when purchasing a tonneau,boot cover or top etc. the snaps are not installed so one can adjust the fit to one's car by installing the snaps where they required to be. I just did that procedure on a new TR8 boot cover since my very nice original was eatin by a bunch of rouge mices. Darrell Sent from my iPad On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Dave Massey wrote:ru > Fore/aft. I haven't checked the port/starboard fit. > > > > > Dave Massey ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 18:57:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ACE40557 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA32403A6 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id b10so2526524vea.21 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:53:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RGO04cnH3Du+Dd/PsdxJ8C0G8PGTeI1Y8PN2GKdDdkM=; b=MHbdkhYYiwy2K3tB8j1ysXOOJwkSgh1SYlN8fX3L5a+EZoyU6WeMXQg3k4oexULBiv 1naZp5cDAoKgamSLgxtlzkpwQXBiFY/P4Qj1x7UzL5GtWtISjX0RN/YYvloHxIntv0rK hLRSFW+hC49aUc6K887L3xjpVQrHI5SmVU9DQB5hPlwiSyGdKJKAJKv4CzcYeSN2lCAq sj/ROUZ+yen3ps34cRVO/aqglmxNIFwXZmxI+tZc3nBC6Sme4CPa8xccbVQrJJx5OSON 9Kzj0RsF0DGOGtxm0xmo2aIjewotcrF1qbX9kfuFvih0fendYHR60Cf6MZfUPNErwfOA LSAg== fb10mr10709232veb.5.1376873625034; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:53:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D06A3D83C2275B-FE0-4D6AD@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> <8D06A7FCB3BAAE0-970-4843A@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> <8D06A854829C356-970-48614@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:53:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW -- the situation isn't much better for TR4s and they are generally thought to have been built in much more standardized form. My tonneau on the 4 required the LTDs be mounted right at the limit that the binding would allow -- the edge of the fitting actually tucks under the binding front and rear. Even then I had to make a modified plate for the front snaps to have any chance of affixing it in anything less than 1000 heat & full sun. Now it is beginning to tear from the strain. Oh well. I suspect that patterns were made from originals that had, themselves, already shrunk from the size Coventry produced. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 20:05:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF6E400FF for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.itol.com (mail.itol.com [209.62.160.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B16400FF for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eugene-5e4itser.itol.com (unknown [209.62.172.46]) by mail.itol.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC479D0175 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:04:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:05:02 -0500 To: From: Gene and Barb Wellenstein References: <1376741916.51311.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> information - Message 022 Service Provider for details Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A REAR HUB REMOVAL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am the guilty party who fabricated the homemade tool Randall has referenced. I neglected to put any contact information in the write-up. If anyone would like their hubs separated I am glad to do it for the cost of shipping the axle/hubs back to the owner. I won't rebuild the assembly but will do the separation. The tool works very well and I can usually send the separated assembly back to the owner the day after I receive the parts so this minimizes downtime. The biggest problem I encounter is that many hubs are somewhat bent when received so I now throw the assembly in a lathe to check hub runout before separating and let the owner know the findings before doing any work. With this tool the hub is supported on the front and rear face so there is no "spring" in the assembly when released therefore there is no violent separation. It is hard to tell when the two pieces have parted ways!! The tool was interesting to design and time consuming to fabricate but I suspect I am almost as stubborn as Randall (in that way). Gene Wellenstein Kewaunee, WI At 10:27 AM 8/17/2013, Randall wrote: > > Seeking advice on removal of rear hub. Made a tool from > > splined wire wheel holder but still won't budge. Hate to try > > Hub buster for fear of damage to axel. Hub is damaged now by > > use of three pronged remover. > >This homemade tool looks like it would work well, if you can find the >materials: >http://tinyurl.com/mu6mcpj ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 21:49:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B19B403D9 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A91C40358 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ES5n1m00F1zF43QA6Tp1nT; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:49:01 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ETp01m00g2xZMJ48kTp0Dg; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:49:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:49:00 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Mark J Bradakis s=q20121106; t=1376884141; bh=tITsb2d3iIqSE77U3xXFbv8F46B0yEm8gjgNxxiGA0o=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QtitqLAPleYoEZantxVRKNaYVbMUrrfA22XYeT2L+bdYa5MIwYUI7pObBdhFVRTcO /FblfC318gocL3pmnIpqIyG3m+Og88Yy8oqzPgJYbeNL7q+t0y39X47pufhEG2FCJu HYUWAx/Bvs1g0taf7DJQU3cQdKlmNIG+TpeT6SjFj8eHpFjk6QspSPgnDacyiw9gQJ I3IbExSe2eLudnV9wqqiWyv/z26lvxcb4EIpzOj8Fy1U/fuFEBLVtcxGtb2gWJ5FbF 1UsyQaToISsam8E+Lm+mkvLBdKlrvLvDGC/gULdDNzVBzV6lEhQGxucTJe3+sZZjWv hHveLlffn9idw== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting Day Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net MJB at the Kastner Cup? Yay! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 05:34:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47992403BA for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA53140396 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BD5DD700000A6 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 968F2E000081 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:33:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:33:45 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376912025; bh=DJ3z9GNq8h1anH9SCBpeX7KgpMNxYcDDq8QkhWj3Wi0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v+haoA2txwd8MVLlAoYjUDN73MFWhrq75XWcUcFXjmkiP8nJZSsFs8B068MNL+vib /YkQtpC24+aQbaEpXRNcv4yXE5pgCrU2PJdPXZRBZHRyISq2guS28lDWr78d6gxG+j XR0VuWLgS7mPxdZNLwn8uEBxbmKdYSGQT/xKREhk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c521202990d77 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Indeed. And it seems you always want to put up the hood or tonneau when the weather is no longer sunny. The top on my TR6 fits great! The history on this top is that it was purchased by an acquaintance back in the mid 70's but before he could put it on his car got T-boned and totaled. So he put it on the shelf. 20+ years later when I was redoing my TR6 he dug it out and gave it to me. But the time it was installed on my car the stretch was gone. Upholsterers like to set these things up nice and tight. A saggy top looks like a sloppy installation. When you do that with a new top that means stretching it. But after a few years and after the elastomers evaporate the top no longer stretches and, hence, no longer fits. But when they are made too short to begin with... Dave In a message dated 8/18/2013 7:20:35 PM Central Daylight Time, bobannand1@eastlink.ca writes: > The only problem with fitting the hood or tonneau in the sun is that they > are a bastard to put on when it is cold and wet. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 06:11:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAE140525 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C9C403B1 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6AA3670000082 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4AD24E000086 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:05:51 -0400 (EDT) To: Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376913951; bh=z8p2oP0FJM3ZeR5JKQb4qJkqWqKCNpavnTrTxp7har4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qMqESR2ijeurKMJ3D1sqVTauOPy+EUPMudXn9fr7elL0gP+l2ydAinfxzRumBtYnB 8dxTjf1ZXbSmIP04WS69Wa6OyMVTAhZin1qxu72/5ECBS7PwCWPsnuslYmeLgjuPaf nGv37n0qULDZzN+/G4sPDehDu35Z6oTNv7GDfefE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b52120a1f0ab4 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have two tonneaus for the TR6 and the both fit equally well. That is to say they both don't fit worth a darn. I'm tempted to sew on some cloth straps at the front for the grommets. Then they might reach. Tonneaus are a neat device but only if they actually fit. Dave In a message dated 8/18/2013 7:57:21 PM Central Daylight Time, ahwahneetr@gmail.com writes: > FWIW -- the situation isn't much better for TR4s and they are generally > thought to have been built in much more standardized form. > > My tonneau on the 4 required the LTDs be mounted right at the limit that > the binding would allow -- the edge of the fitting actually tucks under > the > binding front and rear. Even then I had to make a modified plate for the > front snaps to have any chance of affixing it in anything less than 1000 > heat &full sun. > > Now it is beginning to tear from the strain. Oh well. > > I suspect that patterns were made from originals that had, themselves, > already shrunk from the size Coventry produced. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 08:05:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B98403F1 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5079C4006C for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id ef5so5433132obb.37 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:04:40 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kBYnOvhqML6E4dP305Yph0xrxXA/nM2E1Ja0ZaUX5h0=; b=fGlC/4efnrJd9Vb+QQNipkYwIdxhUUQYbkhBKxoXyWhRzUPOTmvDxk44mTJwzA4cl2 CsiTJJFt9aZVTucCda5/dk0Byy3K2jg3pcExHE6FsTLaBBOUATunMIoE98Al2gx73UIr PF9cgpLxyMgPiHsukMJtIU7dID1xj7xc/HJ8fmq8/0XXgCC7jWSubbzvwtQyxEX2eDYJ MFRSiUsWuBM7IgACVZo2AEGKrjJZam552RQ/QapOCFIQok7L5znByV/wca94aM0yitPa egDDnwgsiDfIxsI9jxtAZ6NieKpbpMWQ0k+HofCUKAb+jgRTVGWACiYYJHTxlFIQVT9S hrGA== dt2mr13032192obc.30.1376921080809; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g1sm17197621oeq.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:04:37 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <10b59d.23f866e2.3f435c99@cs.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/19/13 4:33 AM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > Indeed. And it seems you always want to put up the hood or tonneau when > the weather is no longer sunny. > Thankfully when I placed the snaps to my soft top it was a cool day. I could always put my top up when the weather turned bad or a little too chilly. Many of the people I traveled with placed their snaps on hot sunny days and when the weather got chilly they could only snap some of their snaps. I'd rather have a top or tonneau a little loose in 100 degree weather and have a nice fit when I want to install it during cooler weather. I guess they cut tonneaus a bit looser back in the 1980's. Mine fits nicely but is over 20 years old. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 09:56:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DC8403D9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FA940333 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ek20so3556159lab.9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=M8EMV8+15iXZgYfoY90Y8wZxdTECeKu4Ipa5rGNckWQ=; b=AgSxbuyM0Sr9zg4vC6fd68xACrv4mvgMew/uyfW9NrS5uvcIwm94cfBMsjeV0Plo0e LZHiy3FmGWf9b01jbHIS3HjxzMC19hDTvfRS4rnJVX+EOD8HSl4m81fEdr+A9EfuYHZt J6JDMmPPm3WbIwStOkNsJ+3BNS5oOnt6gBA7GwtweTyvOtTiWOmZPiwIY/wO+xd4fZYE KitTtW8aVhX6yKK9VNRPFnVAGv1OYotxi0pKRXmEEFGdpXI/5UgW61Ahv1gwDdWe7R11 VJSHbiK+bl/GC06+PErMGZMfrlaXMMOdgqP/vs1PXABUE5EFGxwZ4TG6866Qf6lRIxRo RN7Q== lb5mr2659374lab.29.1376927775142; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:55:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <10b59d.23f866e2.3f435c99@cs.com> <521225F5.1010900@gmail.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:55:55 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Tonneau Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a Robbins tonneau from Topsonline.com for my TR2. It was a bear to fit - at least an inch too short (ISTR ~1.5-2 inches). I presume it was made for a later TR2 when the posts were moved to the dash coping vs in the valance near the windshield. I put some snaps in, very close to the edge and put the tonneau in a pillowcase and threw it in the dryer on high for 45 mins. and pulled and marked 2 to 4 holes. I put the snaps in and threw it back in the dryer. put it on - snapped the snaps and proceeded to mark the next 2-4 snaps - Dry and repeat. I was able to install it without ripping the tonneau and it's been on and off several times since. Sun definately helps. It's very difficult to remove - those snaps near the windshield and rear view mirror are a PITA. Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 16:00:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37D2403F1 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B2040338 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.71.148]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Em0c1m00U3BxHTa01m0ds9; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:00:38 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:00:28 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6dJ1X5XbwVRgNNTq2t4IqesfT7LQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] wheel question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am thinking about 6" rims for the next TR3 and want something other than wire wheels this time. Any thoughts,, suggestions, advice regarding minilite versus panasports? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 16:59:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB4F403F3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8AE403B9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:58:20 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=KfYLXsKEmnsA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=SXBeu30jhrkA:10 a=3Qi79JkLQTYxdaAqCYkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:46650] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5E/5B-11231-B03A2125; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:58:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:58:19 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <003d01ce9d27$8b222840$a16678c0$@uprichard.net> Subject: Re: [TR] wheel question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, I went with Superlites for my 72 TR6. I would love to get a set for my 58 3 but I cant find them anywhere anymore. There is an outfit somewhere in Canada that sells a minilite replica. I see them on Ebay from time to time but cant remember their website. They look similar to the Superlites I have. Bob On 08/19/2013 06:00 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I am thinking about 6" rims for the next TR3 and want something other than > wire wheels this time. Any thoughts,, suggestions, advice regarding > minilite versus panasports? > > > > Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 17:29:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4427B4044B for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C58C40323 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ej9W1m00416AWCUA3nUNHj; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:28:22 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EnUN1m00V2xZMJ48SnUNCn; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:28:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:28:22 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Andrew Uprichard s=q20121106; t=1376954902; bh=OmhpaEWXxC6vmxr7pMHtOoxJ/Ic1jSjynIRTWChPDEE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WNhA+OrWPfOiWvxVUbsmgj6yalOacg/pNTCUKhRammqJy3SqHc6S1DiyF1kQg4mjP FpsUxxFtjXV7UupeZhtTOwdTIvyTLFb9jDUMKQylWWBrfxrXVuG3Ud6TM6ZuU/OGoB ctVuG4yS+qY7wpreqzHZBHOX+mZ6C35rzTQafRODRdAZtbaIpUNkb7ZyNKMrLzOutG SOYP2lccu8CzmdWXuzc1HUe1+hXSd8ezInkBqL/sDiNJYYHDGrlXoyYhwwyZ5/6z+n V2xLgFosHgJj/odRLjnujbL2QX0JXPuaofmcjCdmi/8oEscyrWQvcKgBkSqfCD2uoX npcmnGkvp2vFg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] wheel question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just received a set of 15x 5.5" Panasports for my TR3. I have a set of 6" on the car now with 185/65 tires. The 6" are not vintage race legal, so I got a set of 5.5s. they both work fine. Tires size matters. 205/60s will have clearance problems on a 3s rear fenders. The other minilite style wheels that Moss sells, didn't interest me, but they will work too. Their Panasport wheels come with a higher price. I got my Panasports from a company in Fla. called Spruell Motorsports. Look them up. Great price shipped to Cali. They are the same that Moss sells. The 6" Panasport wheel come in a race wheel too for relatively the same price as the street wheel. The 5.5" is only available as a street wheel. Again, just check the web for Panasport wheels. You'll find all the info you need. Dave H. Santa Cruz, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:00:28 PM Subject: [TR] wheel question I am thinking about 6" rims for the next TR3 and want something other than wire wheels this time. Any thoughts,, suggestions, advice regarding minilite versus panasports? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 19:03:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB61403DE for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA794403D8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:01:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UTPvOudLFAtJpMwF1IKjiH04jwrKN6Qqp+kgNNJ/4Oa0tc5Q3SQ1x1LxqOYPTQ5A; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.33.50.134] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VBaKH-0000IT-Mi; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:01:37 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Andrew Uprichard" References: <216080966.2184312.1376954902432.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:01:37 -0600 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] wheel question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have 15x5.5" 8 spoke wheels for the TR4A. I bought these second-hand from a guy, got a great price, but I don't know exactly what brand they are. It has taken some trimming on the edge of the upper control arms to get the inside edge of the front wheel to not rub there. I really like the look, but if I had to do it over I would have passed on these wheels. The lug nuts are sleeve-shaped, not beveled. I don't know if all the 8 spoke wheels are this way. The wheel gets centered nicely but the lugnuts are a pain to get on and off. I would have preferred a beveled nut. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:28 PM To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] wheel question I just received a set of 15x 5.5" Panasports for my TR3. I have a set of 6" on the car now with 185/65 tires. The 6" are not vintage race legal, so I got a set of 5.5s. they both work fine. Tires size matters. 205/60s will have clearance problems on a 3s rear fenders. The other minilite style wheels that Moss sells, didn't interest me, but they will work too. Their Panasport wheels come with a higher price. I got my Panasports from a company in Fla. called Spruell Motorsports. Look them up. Great price shipped to Cali. They are the same that Moss sells. The 6" Panasport wheel come in a race wheel too for relatively the same price as the street wheel. The 5.5" is only available as a street wheel. Again, just check the web for Panasport wheels. You'll find all the info you need. Dave H. Santa Cruz, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:00:28 PM Subject: [TR] wheel question I am thinking about 6" rims for the next TR3 and want something other than wire wheels this time. Any thoughts,, suggestions, advice regarding minilite versus panasports? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlhogye@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 19:24:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8937A4044B for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57076403D8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.246] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 01:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 78007 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2013 01:23:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376961812; bh=MxRdz/qHBm+vG22hP//aYbZIst4MnpNTYr14F2CvKSY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cSJ29mu7xExMn7poyUIBuoUov/8BS0+x57PW62dOHIOgjXjAFHzHX+Q/3tv25iAkQDcuqcwIic7rnMUlSQzcH543s395EoL3VI4OfijaXSqlii1r5X2uYFKjaqFgPt0ReRWtEePc25/EcNoXbrBqZxZmmAMa5AoGxiRxK4LzpVI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G8wJIE0BHPv4eKCG1t7Ff3S+yi+2/NjUu8RhbdN119GTqu7o2bH/tdhq3ZayMtrG8oOJr2qgpZfVv9FnQI8+4mv9xduTJpi2drmfJKgKVzBgF9kQw6B4zMatCAipnz3JWm3dL4HIpRM17K5UAya0x78DfqufgQzjwVwuPWoeii4=; cWy6TgjQVgr8EQv2oIZqDIA.NxNFa2SQ9p1ZBZ8bCDZO7o8dFtuKgeOADP9u 500WG8RP7JDiqXZq6VO6kvfGn2nvsmEeRUcjt2NOWNpweO5SF6yqMCVBHVt3 B5MxYL_ztPsUUIutgBQPwQwESgE5usdIiB1hO8RQbjtge0Fu5J72WMlx1C1z n7bMCBmdsya72HtwSFpAJDkGRGc7wMX_RHI1MEgHnX416haQXwWSr6CEe9aN 9WsFVr6z0C_Kji6npv29qGtclgg14sk6YMd0zIriaQUO38LCFupWiT9dXN1e WpJnVVw1Y2phLPglEttFd4MxLNRbj2.ljiwUiE5by0FH7Y7Ebw9Amqub_dz_ C090zbSrxQksUQEgM9f4p5KjF3K5737efK16Zwd5yuJbvaqQMPT19nw1TuEi C5wQDk36TKBOwSHAQR.zQ4mEOxA6AUibhDoYIiiQXkCod8lpdAThJQSJjWhh hv7wn9Oallcj.2HLOXRWdzW2_LNIX4cDw2u6pugYZ.PV4_zmoefCl2jk9WRY SGFP9d05XAdlyklk9beGlOdyPDA-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:23:31 PDT QmVlbiBzcGVuZGluZyB0aW1lIGNydWlzaW5nIGluIG5ld2x5IHJlc3RvcmVkIHRyLTMgYW5kIGxvdmluZyBpdCHCoCBTdXJwcmlzZWQgYXQgYWxsIHRoZSB0b3JxdWUuClRoaXMgaXMgYSByYXcgc3BvcnRzIGNhciB3aGljaCBJIGxvdmUuwqAgT25lIGlzc3VlIGlzIHdpbmQgd2hpcHBpbmcgYXJvdW5kIHRoZSB3aW5kc2NyZWVuIHdoaWNoIG1ldGhpbmtzIHRoZSAibGFkeSBvZiBteSBjaG9pY2UiIG1pZ2h0IHRpcmUgb2YhCkNhbiBhbnlvbmUgZ2l2ZSBtZSBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBvbiB0aG9zZSBvcHRpb25hbCABMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Been spending time cruising in newly restored tr-3 and loving it! Surprised at all the torque. This is a raw sports car which I love. One issue is wind whipping around the windscreen which methinks the "lady of my choice" might tire of! Can anyone give me information on those optional wind screen "wings" that one attaches to the side of the windscreen? Do they help or not? thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 19:37:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77B440442 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F900403D8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 01:37:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.163] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 01:37:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 01:37:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376962643; bh=ouRWmTT/U2rimXyWc6DYuBUAfaKo+T7m+dREKzFQBi8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=mpidgp6Sv4vsaZ+UK75FCGEGpv+9x4/agU8BuZps9H9+3GY3AWNmidzgqRkCFPiI6k2TlwVbSSjLz5MrXXfQUamRBWnmv/PIjjj+FwzBVkTV6WRhciIcky7mTh7CE3Jk53tQ+HXeBSTBTx9zD84J8Bp54rA0sqVDSs6NIPKJm/E= UsIr2FWIOl1oqonXgqohdBqFxnQNRAmtbs6QBaLIypl30T23U96pKrJaXRGi lBRQeIcp0LgB7PJJBeRyl6GDlwwcXxKGf941HnOYX6YqDEjMCF8zdhvrzPl3 YIQMWTdxMNYxBO8SALcXaEDdEPwMMA7g6pYchp0vczX4cHhb1tHHPurKIam4 VuS6kTQLKmM8xW_9c78GEgGrU4iGAX8NvUat4P1YjnD.58q.SPDx6L8u4BDg yyHoZqLJpK6IpDxlJX7PpKubUh8cxki4w3DJyLrZy6VUE2PPr2mUNICzIRps eAaMbXnXLN6urpFzZnKBWv9gKECMf7Ix0JKQZHoHTgorQadVY3RlYnj3MNyp .jdCGT6YtMosze91yvEtMw4gdcTRbkBoDRbm0f8qjRhJSIZPEugvqbEaZeEm .1fES0VSK5.LNvetY71h8EayTayTJAoQWG8AJ1QnlakHi7snMdEGer3LZGcP RQS2n0yKdkIOZe5hbmkR9qpiEPa1CtKDscnMLHx3qRIyL.Zfnu.3b8Fg2KvD cD2zcfklpIrOaax2pFPckqmaJkQ9pu0Y7HnxbQep0tevclIWs2ta.9_scvw- - smtp220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 18:37:23 -0700 PDT References: <1376961811.77348.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:37:21 -0500 To: Gary Nafziger Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, Been lurking on the MG list and they just finished kicking this around. Most of them would tell you no. I have them on my 3 and I can sure say they help the wind in your face. But you still have the turbulence behind you. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Been spending time cruising in newly restored tr-3 and loving it! Surprised > at all the torque. > This is a raw sports car which I love. One issue is wind > whipping around the windscreen which methinks the "lady of my choice" might > tire of! > Can anyone give me information on those optional wind screen "wings" > that one attaches to the side of the windscreen? Do they help or not? > thanks! > gary n. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 19:48:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A7940442 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4ED1403D8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=4b-DKZxp_BgA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=TKkGAfRNAAAA:20 a=zXmBSpd4AAAA:20 a=PdciG5ZDhn6HMiKO3nEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:43317] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 17/5B-23352-3E9C2125; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:44:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 1:44:03 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , Gary Nafziger Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Gary Nafziger wrote: > Can anyone give me information on those optional wind screen "wings" > that one attaches to the side of the windscreen? Do they help or not? They do help, but the effect is mostly noticeable at lower speeds. Not much difference at freeway speeds, IMO. What some people have done is to fabricate an additional wing that mounts into the side curtain pockets, and sticks out along the top of the door. I don't know of anyone offering them commercially, but they aren't too hard to fabricate yourself. Although I don't have them on my car, the ones that Fred Thomas made seemed to make a big difference on his TR3A: http://tinyurl.com/kxvrewc Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 20:50:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97F5403C8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3FA40323 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id h11so3725984vbh.16 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:45:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2C0eyCQm5KADSyfHOc9oh9ebApW0uwFkDg0CB5C0LPA=; b=M0/46MqPkuzJPL73yk6TYmUk98ySfl0lxrC2VG5gQqW02qZjw234GbM1UgAdb86UyC X2YjvRO3Z5eajOkVuS3tJjpBFEfdbGXste1GLCqYxYaKrLUN6948o5ZrqzNC+yywvmUh +T8uRXZWR4tCeC8CPyfSVvjWqMao+4mTwxW9uXsbdVy5bcKRwMxR1Zbp6xKQ1LvbnXMZ +S0ckeQL1ayPPwyzK+ZxpgwWjF6uDzHhBM/JUKS4X5bY3GDuXqRJxU60L6HfDMkrKcHm hdOKHigdcEGmR492Q3IMV3FCiXPRuR3Rm3zbUFJo5SnbgHLA7LBrLp/rhnaze1jAw/hn oGkw== eq5mr16353066vcb.16.1376966708730; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.66 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:45:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <1376961811.77348.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:45:08 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Gary Nafziger Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > ...Can anyone give me information on those optional wind screen "wings" > that one attaches to the side of the windscreen? Do they help or not? I think they are helpful and moreso with the door version Randall mentioned. Here is the version I made -- http://tinyurl.com/n2h9zbo You can get an idea of the effect by simply putting your hand &/or arm in various positions to see the affect it has on air movement. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 22:43:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E362540442 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC97403F7 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:42:54 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=IAYN1g7sGkIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=4b-DKZxp_BgA:10 a=SZ3PdcfBAAAA:20 a=DYbKmKRFAAAA:20 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=ql0Qtx9hAAAA:20 a=viqIf8hiAAAA:20 a=hnLxaf6OfkfrzM2wrV0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55047] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AA/89-02184-CC3F2125; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 04:42:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:43:00 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJKkGiF8moB5aJVc2/lvkcfZgVvxZilfA2wgAAg1YA= Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Randall: the URL didn't work. Ok, my apologies on several fronts. First of all, I'm told that Fred didn't make the wings I linked to, Ronnie Babbitt did. That certainly makes sense, as I know Ronnie is a great fabricator and has a beautiful TR3A. But if Fred told me that, I simply forgot it. And sorry about the bad link. Sometimes the magic works, sometimes ... Anyway, here's one that should work: http://tinyurl.com/lq6fpbx And a bonus second shot http://tinyurl.com/lzfk58h Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 05:55:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5183C403D7 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A52403DB for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4B8CF70001D47; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dsc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.77]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D2DA2E000085; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: KingsCreekTrees@aol.com Full-name: KingsCreekTrees Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:54:44 -0400 (EDT) To: nafzigerg@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376999685; bh=IJoadCcJDYFINVuFqFeHE6ooqeEcKsQW35MTklZshMc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kpo/tkNJtpKQmeSKunPwoulJyKZjShsuOb0EbSdaJWwYSfOFAbm0DtH3bL9e9ZO/2 FyUu3iTXCm84mpJczSeAciR8J56/I4JIq2l5C5rTOkX1xEKd3y/mED9d2KI8QaNBuO ew0N0YjRI7zIwYIJR/JLmPorFVaHLwAzg+VYOeQg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c521359044a06 Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gary; I'm afraid you're going to get a lot of differing opinions on this. When I bought my most recent TR3, it was already fitted with them. I didn't like how they interfered with entry/exit, the soft top, and I thought they looked sily. With great trepidation I removed them. I found no difference with them removed, and I live in an area that's largely flat with wide open fields and heavy crosswinds. I've now removed the windscreen altogether and fitted aeroscreens. Again, I find no difference except in rain. Tim In a message dated 19/08/2013 9:24:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nafzigerg@yahoo.com writes: Been spending time cruising in newly restored tr-3 and loving it! Surprised at all the torque. This is a raw sports car which I love. One issue is wind whipping around the windscreen which methinks the "lady of my choice" might tire of! Can anyone give me information on those optional wind screen "wings" that one attaches to the side of the windscreen? Do they help or not? thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 06:38:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EE04042E for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCE0403DA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.64.214]) by m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id F0ds1m00D4dMYKJ010dtMj; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:37:54 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Randall'" , References: <006701ce9d4e$8f1ff810$ad5fe830$@uprichard.net> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:37:43 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGLzT5LZAS14wF3lxsv3m+Pwqg9AZojqUyQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have experience with the racing sidescreens which essentially flatten out the top of the door ? Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:43 AM To: 'Andrew Uprichard' Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] windscreen "wings" > Randall: the URL didn't work. Ok, my apologies on several fronts. First of all, I'm told that Fred didn't make the wings I linked to, Ronnie Babbitt did. That certainly makes sense, as I know Ronnie is a great fabricator and has a beautiful TR3A. But if Fred told me that, I simply forgot it. And sorry about the bad link. Sometimes the magic works, sometimes ... Anyway, here's one that should work: http://tinyurl.com/lq6fpbx And a bonus second shot http://tinyurl.com/lzfk58h Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 06:55:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCBB403E3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1731540321 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i18so601686oag.29 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:55:04 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sfRWNSnBkYUuoM9a3IH6Xky7VAgOWXD87XGxiDkLWTI=; b=FODN6lpycyxmkbGhAL2elZ5mCMuLS+P2gu983puRUTJn/88y8hvQKrXRqPDM37Fdn1 auWMx0s/aevpPcVGnJDUQjpgZBJQGqxktPbbnzdsHKwR2GF3TDuOhYW18ku2gMjtV4PF uSdRFSfhuX8KG52QtqnEm4G/2MDUy7oImoIRQE3Y0KoVTnuygm0LPdVGLKyDB0Nfj+Iw t7GfNAHd0AwS7O4ftTwLIPPDE1Er5ibTF1w77Vlb+hsvcH9SGbNlqXC73WTVPvfJ0tTZ p2wkCwGHUtYkmzseuXvlaw81hVDXvyKeNLA/NmGUrmlzdeDFWpakNznHoNcJuruV+DN/ iKJg== r5mr1402455obu.22.1377003303892; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ya5sm1936964obc.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:55:00 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] windscreen "wings" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think the original subject was really about a woman surviving in a TR3 and not having to spend the following hour detangling hair. The big problem is the wind coming over the top of the windscreen and looping around coming at the back of your head sending your hair forward. The single largest cure is to put the top up. Windscreen wings helps when you have the top up but do not do a lot for long hair when driving top down. My cure for surviving top down driving is a stocking cap that has sides that can come down over the ears and can wrap under your chin. Hair stays in place and is tangle free. All you might need is a quick styling after taking the stocking cap off. If you have long hair and are driving top down you should have a hat that covers your hair and will not blow away or carry a spray on detangler and good brush and have an hour at the end of the drive to work the tangles out. 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Frank ________________________________ From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 6:23 PM Subject: [TR] windscreen "wings" Been spending time cruising in newly restored tr-3 and loving it! Surprised at all the torque. This is a raw sports car which I love. One issue is wind whipping around the windscreen which methinks the "lady of my choice" might tire of! Can anyone give me information on those optional wind screen "wings" that one attaches to the side of the windscreen? Do they help or not? thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 20:53:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025D840435 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D072403FC for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 02:39:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 02:39:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2013 02:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 54360 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2013 02:39:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377052773; bh=23aUr3GFQFcRj2BO3ZIFGBEn6DuqOOmN3UdV3zXFcaQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5w/PgzbyWbTXrg1M0uPNycmKlJCr29FXArz+5eX9i3oAw1aAtKzeDJZjR8mCxJ8qr46uMrRqHziUNz1mC+dUPspKzbIs7LVh+G/EKgki9BqjdjwGEc1jYsn64ASqW4SxkWsXaC6Mce8sfqjx6MR+kg3/ehTFx+yugs4cF/jXo7s= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pgene3/8iwUdtSxwN42GRPT9Cp8w9ObZanXeHdP9IIkX7VV4t7pVOsnwW2OuUJ2Hd/Nd8Y5vlWrMgvigSTmQFH+kUqROlp2KaVzWYA9L+fwG8xJ9Lg9WaIKsZ7+/9cZMIhCfr8v8cWgfO8F+Sg0kzkicP973/o2hPnn0t+fNhaI=; TQ_LDVanarK0TfQbXwd71OvN9P1OmtgdBPPmO.NdOeB.KvK4xTEm7Hk_ygDr 8h0cC1E3xxC.mmX06WhTq3N.5ikWP0hThUqEi2t3Q6eEtpXaikffh3cFr5Ol oCVgTl7WRSCjD6GwkskAkARM2L9dERIcWE4ELMpvIsaxZjFwJIg8uZ2CnUfl pQbOYAM.rDx9xqsjGwj35dcviRNAqNP4K0Fkhm2mxocYBJZXtqUlvPr47S9j ap9k8X_gJ14BMEEqfvVFswqiq0TWS3tNXti6Ydj0azOYnFOa68Ekv.xs1DtJ q1PB8p_4Tgo5kZWy9WOXGGQORqxMCUmkx9r7VcgY9MRHJytUBKQyu.zIZgd4 tScseq.QVLL6f_Jc.6.8nlNTT_v4HwZAXIArkhovxLB9MHEpLv9zTB2wd4m4 yjzkHuneZfeRDj8n3q_8HoAeEXjcNhax8AYLPo6VZ6BEZL73nNIKSnWUA9L0 hs85yPYkjJZ7c.3tXhQ.UzyRxWDGlRxkp51kzEdj2FrwmkAdcUrmmuPFnGA8 dthGFwPNzhZPS4pbjxxzg Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:39:33 PDT SSBzYXcgYSBwb3N0IG1lbnRpb25pbmcgYSBkYXNoIGlnbml0aW9uIGxpZ2h0IHRoYXQgc3RheWVkIG9uIGFuZCBJJ20gaGF2aW5nIHRoZSBzYW1lIGlzc3VlIHdpdGggbXkgdHItMy7CoCBJIGhhZG4ndCByZWFsbHkgY29uc2lkZXJlZCBpdCBzaWduaWZpY2FudCBiZWNhdXNlIEkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHdhdGNoaW5nIGFsbCBraW5kcyBvZiBvdGhlciBpc3N1ZXMgd2hpbGUgYnJlYWtpbmcgaW4gYSBuZXcgZW5naW5lLsKgIAoKSXMgaXQgdGhlIHZvbHRhZ2UgcmVndWxhdG9yIHRoYXQgY29udHJvbHMgdGhpcyBzbWEBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tr-3 ignition light on dash Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I saw a post mentioning a dash ignition light that stayed on and I'm having the same issue with my tr-3. I hadn't really considered it significant because I have been watching all kinds of other issues while breaking in a new engine. Is it the voltage regulator that controls this small light? I have had one event of weak battery (its a new battery) so I have wondered about the electrical system. Checked the dynamo and output fluctuates (due to varying idle?) between 10-15 volts, so I think that is good. I'm assuming I should look into voltage regulator, cutout ect. The methods for adjusting those look daunting. Are these adjustments commonly needed? Easy to do? thanks...........gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 21:50:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9BD42752 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CA9403FA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:49:52 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=ep8L8yREzpsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=WNzF2K8ud24A:10 a=ArVzt8QrAAAA:20 a=GEn9T_5lAAAA:20 a=Mj7pMTsoeGDGZPIp5McA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55010] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 86/E7-21526-FD834125; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 03:49:51 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:50:00 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6eGbWxFa6KTLiXQdyujljFR1wYtwAA6mEg Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 ignition light on dash Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is it the voltage regulator that controls this small light? > I have had one event of weak battery (its a new battery) so I > have wondered about the electrical system. Checked the > dynamo and output fluctuates (due to varying > idle?) between 10-15 volts, so I think that is good. Well, that would be consistent with the cutout not working. But the light should be out when the voltage matches the battery, so I'm wondering if there is a wiring problem somewhere. > Are these adjustments > commonly needed? Easy to do? In my limited experience, the cutout not closing (which causes the light to stay on) is not usually a matter of adjustment. Well, except in the sense that poor adjustment may lead to a failure that causes the light to stay on. I learned about that the hard way, which is why most of my TR experience is with a Ford alternator However, a good cleaning of the contacts might get it going again, and the voltage regulator contacts pretty much have to be disassembled for cleaning (meaning you get to adjust them afterwards). The adjustments aren't particularly hard, IMO, but you do need to understand the intent. For some reason the books all list the mechanical adjustments second, but they really need to be done (or at least checked) first. The booklet at http://tinyurl.com/bab2hsc Gives a pretty good set of tests, and a summary of the adjustment procedure in parts 1 & 2 (ignore 3 & 4, they don't apply to TR2-4A). -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 06:10:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E73740401 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD0640324 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 918FA700EABFE for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mqa005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mqa005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.192.20]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 65550E000082 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:09:39 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net From: Thomas Beaver Received: from 173.15.7.221 by webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:09:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:09:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377086979; bh=CAmnYPPrHJ5d1dp3gpofhJusnRxXD/gx8i0E3YFnisY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d6VD7GDYE7kFYgzEYatuktzfEcRb+1L2lSaV6XGYdpyKl2TE5aHX1Eo488yAATg1p K0ZYb6L0LSFHZRKhzVwV7gMTELPRoQOTa+0AzLsk4fhU0LPwBv4sjVfVYmPBTFwIWc q7Kwax3BNMFk85zCC7P6vfBdFOOY4dB+a2fgsUR0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a5214ae034d60 Subject: [TR] TR3A Fuel Gauge Wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Trying to help a friend with his fuel gauge wiring. Ground up restoration. New harness from one of the major vendors purchased many years ago. ? Car - TR3A commission 577XX One?green and black wire which goes to fuel tank sender and attaches to the gauge. One?lighter green wire that goes to the fuse block and attaches to the?gauge. Coming from this lighter green wire and the eyelet which goes to the fuel gauge is another same color green wire?which is about 5" long. ? Where does the 5" wire?connect to? There is no electrical connection at the end. Just cut off. ? Thanks Tom Beaver ? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 08:56:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F3140435 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout09.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout09.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E2E403BB for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.11] helo=mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout09.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VC9pL-0000Sw-88 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:56:03 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VC9pK-0005nk-9o; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:56:02 -0400 Received: from webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.4]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id FSw11m01R05FYhm01Sw1rJ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:56:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=jyhyQfpxagcA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=emmKHCGhHHkA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=YTAmzR4_AigK6fHa27IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=YjmNDDI+0hkeRrrZ2pZTjw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VC9p9-0007D6-GQ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:55:51 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:55:51 -0400 References: <8D06C7E71C980FC-1B28-5DF9E@webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:55:51 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Thomas Beaver" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Fuel Gauge Wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Someone, in the past, has added an additional ground wire. The gauge requires grounding and usually only the gauge clamp strap provides it. A secondary ground makes things work better. Connect the loose end to the ground screw on the bak of the gauge panel. If the wire was black, it would be obvious. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Trying to help a friend with his fuel gauge wiring. Ground up restoration. > New > harness from one of the major vendors purchased many years ago. > ? > Car - TR3A commission 577XX > One?green and black wire which goes to fuel tank sender and attaches to > the > gauge. > One?lighter green wire that goes to the fuse block and attaches to > the?gauge. > Coming from this lighter green wire and the eyelet which goes to the fuel > gauge is another same color green wire?which is about 5" long. > ? > Where does the 5" wire?connect to? There is no electrical connection at > the > end. Just cut off. > ? > Thanks > Tom Beaver > ? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 09:01:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350074279E for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.254.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D531403BB for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.3] helo=mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VC9uC-0003MW-7S for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VC9uB-00031N-9o; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:01:03 -0400 Received: from webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.4]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id FT111m00n05FYhm01T127m; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:01:02 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=jyhyQfpxagcA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=emmKHCGhHHkA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=YTAmzR4_AigK6fHa27IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=YjmNDDI+0hkeRrrZ2pZTjw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VC9tk-0007Zd-Qd; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:00:36 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:00:36 -0400 References: <8D06C7E71C980FC-1B28-5DF9E@webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:00:36 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Thomas Beaver" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Fuel Gauge Wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just re-read your post. If the green wire to the gauge splits off to a second wire, that is a fused 12 volt supply and probably is where you would power the heater switch from. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Trying to help a friend with his fuel gauge wiring. Ground up restoration. > New > harness from one of the major vendors purchased many years ago. > ? > Car - TR3A commission 577XX > One?green and black wire which goes to fuel tank sender and attaches to > the > gauge. > One?lighter green wire that goes to the fuse block and attaches to > the?gauge. > Coming from this lighter green wire and the eyelet which goes to the fuel > gauge is another same color green wire?which is about 5" long. > ? > Where does the 5" wire?connect to? There is no electrical connection at > the > end. Just cut off. > ? > Thanks > Tom Beaver > ? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 10:17:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA7840405 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F2540415 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:04:41 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=jyhyQfpxagcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=emmKHCGhHHkA:10 a=iGyx8yXBxOWQzrBaaZoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55032] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E4/3D-21526-515E4125; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:04:37 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:04:47 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6ef2c26oHm37CUTQmHxH7nBCFkCAAB3dwg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Fuel Gauge Wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I just re-read your post. If the green wire to the gauge > splits off to a second wire, that is a fused 12 volt supply > and probably is where you would power the heater switch from. In fact, I believe that is where the factory connected the heater on later cars with the self-parking wiper motor. The workshop manual talks about connecting it to the wiper switch, but that would only work on early cars without the self-park feature. I don't believe the factory used a ground wire for the fuel gauge, but it is a very worthwhile addition IMO. Just a short jumper, with a ring terminal to fit over the mounting post for the gauge, and the other end added to the ground tie point on the back of the instrument panel right next to the gauge. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 14:40:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3900D4051F for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f174.google.com (mail-ve0-f174.google.com [209.85.128.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEEA403BB for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f174.google.com with SMTP id d10so798740vea.19 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fkrKUKujA5ZrBHHXqgX9cQ42po+2TXGBD4j4gqJr0X4=; b=lQOYg4KYRwKuC2l7rtYPNTdVQEdAO5oLC+xrqvgEOR0uYy1lu9Ij89Ljqm+P9qYfhp wtvonjjckVLz9/sIDU7tmDmG0ah+qHzeLft5ocGSdPf40masXurJzYba84mhuzQGDusy mmLAIpvKqMc/hJ+qxXs01iDeK46h+n2UuQP9o7exLvQOk+Za+6watlhVQiSnDIDT4LMT M5UlW7Mm3HQKqwj5HyNcZSf5d2odZTTUFOf3bLQnPOE1XBwGiRSSU0K8FXZnFwVtgdIB msI8w2KW5QX+LlIZmKRKpdzMp5uvP5iVK4Akl8Z1BXlxAln6ByEbDB7cbGxwcyBwZGWz 7gGw== sk5mr2531160vcb.27.1377117057447; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.132 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:57 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a way to tell from the color of the wire where it belongs or where it goes to? >From a Stag I have, the brown wires and purple wires seem to be live (12v) Is there some sort of legend for color coding? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 14:44:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF184275E for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14974427EB for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5712E700028FE; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dda002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dda002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.5]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2691EE00008A; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Full-name: McGaheyRx Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphstag@gmail.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377117827; bh=WBuCpRQqqjowa6H+Sh3o6ojlERWAyyeNyjEpgN3vTZI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ojjY0WwGOAevB//Gct02ZvXQddY+fQtH8QJazgfkT+B3CIqHwrVyixdYwh3OZqH64 F28BzBXVlaZVQ4INHRAi0NBAPvN/fzsFy0dzLKai699GH4oox/zBXl+N6YCwJwxA9l E6FLZiorsPyeh8f0YmN2h3JCGpULEZmxL4BfjSVE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2948521526837554 Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net yep, here ya go: http://www.jcna.com/library/tech/tech0014.html In a message dated 8/21/2013 4:40:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, triumphstag@gmail.com writes: Is there a way to tell from the color of the wire where it belongs or where it goes to? >From a Stag I have, the brown wires and purple wires seem to be live (12v) Is there some sort of legend for color coding? Sujit -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 15:16:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE4940520 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECDC403E9 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=as-_UssepogA:10 a=YxpylgH1ohtwTQCSQkoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GW6XDFxziF4A:10 a=XjWZqNgrW7MA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:44100] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C5/E7-23352-CD925125; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:58:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:58:04 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > From a Stag I have, the brown wires and purple wires seem to be live (12v) That's right. The difference is that the purple circuit has a fuse, brown does not. Then white is switched by the ignition switch, but without a fuse; green is the same thing with a fuse. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 15:26:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24DA40531 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316E5403E9 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRW0098AG20BP72@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:08:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "Sujit Roy" , "Triumphs" References: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:08:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net actually the entire British Motoring industry follows(ed) The same color coding http://www.dimebank.com/LucasColours.html http://bmcautos.com/british-car-blogs-articles/60-lucas-wiring-color-codes http://www.jcna.com/library/tech/tech0014.html tons more lists out there... :-) Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sujit Roy" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 4:30 PM Subject: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs > Is there a way to tell from the color of the wire where it belongs or > where it goes to? > > From a Stag I have, the brown wires and purple wires seem to be live (12v) > > Is there some sort of legend for color coding? > > Sujit > > -- > Sujit Roy, Realtor > Cupertino, CA > (408) 839-8359 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 15:44:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B8540439 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D566400AD for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id jz10so860258veb.40 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eWEEabrdIMz6w05JXsTMoZQvpTzAT41AnM8VXzxYLNY=; b=KW1ff/eyaS2kcBAoLIDTvhEM583ImYzvo7za0A8DTMReKj76IA5Gwbgy+T0a93JchH s4hWuox+BdUxFnuTeTo5mwzGHIhCXGw4Axwl74fYSsbR2nk3n1WhNvxryhAKkngYJZ1A +LyDC/GHRnnAmWK/JZtWlxyY9abXNAKfDvThne4PCnoTsNRQy8twqikooILBJajxeoPG XPNQ81MMRz5mi1bb1A2taoCwHQh/pCkZuuPO9zB+39yCR0NFx68CsGFEz6OvonQIAN7y MIzzIK/l17sCabVD9eGZOdSlXY/7dsAhbDtrQd+nruk2q4EfgDAmz0ppfUQ6VOkdAmnn 8+Ig== m2mr6863109vdv.24.1377121297744; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.132 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:41:37 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: ptegler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks this is a great help/. I tried printing the first one from the jag site in color, but the main stuff got printed in BW only. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM, ptegler wrote: > actually the entire British Motoring industry follows(ed) The same color > coding > > http://www.dimebank.com/**LucasColours.html > > http://bmcautos.com/british-**car-blogs-articles/60-lucas-** > wiring-color-codes > > http://www.jcna.com/library/**tech/tech0014.html > > tons more lists out there... :-) > > > Paul Tegler > ptegler@verizon.net > www.teglerizer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sujit Roy" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 4:30 PM > Subject: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs > > > Is there a way to tell from the color of the wire where it belongs or >> where it goes to? >> >> From a Stag I have, the brown wires and purple wires seem to be live (12v) >> >> Is there some sort of legend for color coding? >> >> Sujit >> >> -- >> Sujit Roy, Realtor >> Cupertino, CA >> (408) 839-8359 >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/triumphs/ptegler@**verizon.net >> >> > -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 18:52:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED142403FB for ; 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Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:27:38 BST QXMgYSBnZW5lcmFsIHJ1bGUgb2YgdGh1bWIsIHdoYXQgUmFuZGFsbCBhbmQgb3RoZXJzIGhhdmUgc2FpZCBpcyBjb3JyZWN0LiBCdXQgd2l0aCB0aGUgcGFzc2FnZSBvZiB0aW1lIGFuZCBjYXJzIGJlaW5nIGJvdWdodCBieSBlbnRodXNpYXN0cyBhcm91bmQgdGhlIHdvcmxkLCBiZXdhcmUgdGhlIGNhciB0aGF0IGZpcnN0IHdlbnQgdG8gSXRhbHkgZm9yIHNhbGUgYXMgYSBuZXcgdmVoaWNsZS4gT24gdGhhdCB2YXJpYW50IHlvdSB3aWxsIGZpbmQgYSBjb21wbGV0ZWx5IGRpZmZlcmVudCBsb29tLCBkaWZmZXIBMAEBAQE- References: <20130821205805.URDSK.122848.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:27:38 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Randall , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As a general rule of thumb, what Randall and others have said is correct. But with the passage of time and cars being bought by enthusiasts around the world, beware the car that first went to Italy for sale as a new vehicle. On that variant you will find a completely different loom, different codings and at least 24 separate fused circuits. Jonmac >________________________________ > From: Randall >To: Triumphs >Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 21:58 >Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs > > >> From a Stag I have, the brown wires and purple wires seem to be live (12v) > >That's right. The difference is that the purple circuit has a fuse, brown does not. > >Then white is switched by the ignition switch, but without a fuse; green is the same thing with a fuse. > >Randall > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 08:07:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8CD403F8 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2D340043 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 14:07:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 14:07:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 14:07:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377180438; bh=Y/8MC+yDqD6NNPLoICg0sXmNSXuFE4pXVteuASqVn3I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-reply-to:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=03APmxjeuiia/oCwehCWJOF+poOGDP2J9E3ZuXM8z7t6DGicGNSVf1q+8hCclLnnHn9A8aMcfyPfKXrYBeui+L7m2IRjYHFtOi/6S+seSHPEw/YTxd69LR94v2nyUUhl8PM2VifkAnU6S+2El1iAuSd4seMu8CU7T/cna+wgNFI= tFOPUZ3yfxpNGXYc0w909yhfAaykxKC0O3Lm_PRmXOYUNzQuINPUbC2vsNhh ADz8qgyplj9CewUhp.6R1.NpT.afLSPt3zkhAT2U_fsTZ4.RbWxlFwIu_dSG _aU8aLkIi6K7GLLPn2442NfA55SYqgUprUSTIcQ0uzWV2XmX4i0I_klinDI9 o6Bz.7ijYVy35jDqKLd.SZObIr5EoK36nOzYLZt8QJAsBm3YdQdA_q.KcwzJ 682Xk4Akk9x.n6QE01wG8DUauHkKmLeBy7dmcx5cK7qQE.C7GnybnqlC1m0f kzBtB0_rKsYg_K47w0fCkDZNYAjpRqXaZaumUq9p6Rv7XPAVt.E1AVnhLUBa D6g0m0KRdBrOAdnf2KdfCOdMNLmczVvZgo7myZ.c96IXiqtFBrMtoBT15fyj 23ESp4qG77YNp31R0RO5BCZGgMqY6cJlylLr0YaP1iNmk6OZ2CKbmdQvjsY0 7sfN4rVQUtAkUl6T1_xQcDpohDMjfQIXL_6xaCHXLBkqY5vXjQhQ6pDO87_P RYeVdOhejcJ1i9OBGw5NeUo92KPA47xAg6DlfANgF474SIg5goBTVhQxjd52 4m5oHHnX3NhfRyuOxDPxrW5Cz6XBS46pf7zgd5TUriVdzIRhupX002zg- smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2013 07:07:18 -0700 PDT From: To: "'William Pugh'" , "'TR3/6'" References: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:07:14 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6e0fLZTwW1a/Q/QUW/3FjzHqpE/gAbkqnw Subject: Re: [TR] Toyota supra engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you re-powering one of your TRs? -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Pugh Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:38 PM To: TR3/6 Subject: [TR] Toyota supra engine http://www.ebay.com/bhp/toyota-supra-engine Bill Pugh Wallace, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 12:10:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4814052D for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D447140519 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [128.104.61.177] (unknown [128.104.61.177]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MRY00C2021Q5040@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:01:03 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-22_08:2013-08-22,2013-08-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308220113 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Got Judson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darrel, Though I'm a newbie and have not yet found the late 63 or later TR4 surrey top of my dreams, I look forward to hearing more about the Judson. I'm very interested in period mods, and have read Kas Kastner's books many times. I even have an original edition of his Competition Preparation Manual. Take care. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 14:16:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A057940524 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD36840416 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=as-_UssepogA:10 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=9Z8vRK6hmSAcUqjpkfQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:64687] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9C/B2-02184-37176125; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:15:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:15:47 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- John Macartney wrote: > As a general rule of thumb, what Randall and others have said is correct. But > with the passage of time and cars being bought by enthusiasts around the > world, beware the car that first went to Italy for sale as a new vehicle. Also beware modifications by previous owners. The second Stag had a big black wire under the dash that had been cut and left to dangle. Normally black is ground, so it was tempting to tuck it under a bolt head somewhere. Fortunately I resisted the impulse, as I later discovered that it was twisted together with a brown wire somewhere up behind the panel. The car also now has circuit breakers protecting a lot of the brown wires, after one of them shorted to ground inside the steering column. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 14:30:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6883340530 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8F640416 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=lg7PoHdtEDoA:10 a=v3ZZPjhaAAAA:8 a=zWgaxC8BAAAA:20 a=J4KHKyO8AAAA:20 a=8Fkj8TV1Y1igSIAbr8YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=Kna09Q1u_EMA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:64894] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 1B/30-11231-9C376125; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:25:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:25:45 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Jeffrey Gayton Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Got Judson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Darrel, > > Though I'm a newbie and have not yet found the late 63 or later TR4 surrey top > of my dreams, I look forward to hearing more about the Judson. Anything in particular you would like to know? I have one, but not sure I'll ever actually put it on an engine. It's pretty crude by modern standards, not really designed to last very long (or let the engine last very long). And having to remember to add oil every 800 miles sounds like a hassle to me. If you run it dry for too long, the vanes self-destruct and take the engine with them ... One of the things I found interesting: Although the oiler was made by Marvel (the same folks who make Marvel Mystery Oil), it was NOT supposed to have MMO used in it. The instructions specify SAE 10 detergent motor oil: http://tinyurl.com/lxx7bzf Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 15:40:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699BA40437 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5AB40416 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13572.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.191.13] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VCcbT-0006Vf-JU for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:39:39 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:39:39 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Whilet I am familiar with the vehicle#, body#, engine# etc. on our Triumphs, I have never seen a plate quite like this one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/sets/72157635192324690/ It is on an early TR4 (November 1961) CT1218LO. Has anyone come across such a plate and what does the information mean? Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 15:48:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0768C40437 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2A940043 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:46:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D14A0E6F for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:46:07 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen those plates on some cars before, have no idea of the significance. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 16:21:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35B74051F for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A734041C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id x54so2232271wes.18 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:21:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=OgAUR/BSwwnZwi0cvK1bEXoibxpTMi/jW0t1y2Krm0c=; b=ODb8uyOPjftszz7WVEkWD7PY4PcKtMI2pdiDQJOubtxULssqhTvXsYBx3zjLERfNnw t02D6VejEdGUYocgkQ4JBAogQl8+NMNVcA8b9pNPsIJjVbXChPgtsYrcxsNCUjqEyrvX ks7lYsK7mpWjJ702iYBk/v6IUVA55WEibedrJtQp6k3D9ZmlM1gRALwOpHPfmMS2zkyv okcvk0aQ0iWxgwsO3uY6Yafsumojxb36X2tROurKS0fNWDu6UkXryXJuSZuqmS3XQDZv j5cKeTQeUjtJisqO7mWSEUqxbWTo5iEXJbVPwB34YAzU/tcoXaqfjcc6rty+hmxkI2MC TR4A== k9mr12709607wjf.24.1377210071753; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:20:51 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] ID / setup tips for Iskenderian TR cam? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Guy I know in the UK has a cam for his TR3A and he's looking for advice on setup. Any tips appreciated. Thanks in advance, Don Details: The cam has a casting mark M246. Iskenderian TR234.on one end Steel band round cam body with "Iskenderian cams A 8498" tightly bound around the cam but obviously meant to be removed. The story is that it was bought as a fast road cam but other than that no ideas. Needs to know: Anything odd for setting it up, especially any details around how to time it or at least if it uses the standard marks when the dogs are fitted as the original specification? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 16:34:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668DF40524 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D224041C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13572.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.191.13] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VCdRu-0002Nr-9n; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:33:50 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:33:50 -0400 References: <5216891D.6010702@adelphia.net> To: Bob Labuz Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The position is shown in the picture. It is at right angles and underneath the Commission No. plate. The body number plate is on the other side of the firewall. The body number plate and the commission number plate are consistent with one another but as far as being in the same series, this number does not fit. I am wondering if it contains different information. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-08-22, at 5:56 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Keith > > Hard to tell without its exact position but it could be a body number plate although it should be attached with rivets. > > Bob > > On 08/22/2013 05:39 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: >> Whilet I am familiar with the vehicle#, body#, engine# etc. on our Triumphs, I >> have never seen a plate quite like this one. >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/sets/72157635192324690/ >> It is on an early TR4 (November 1961) CT1218LO. Has anyone come across such a >> plate and what does the information mean? >> >> Keith Stewart >> keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 17:24:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABAF40437 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9162240403 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fy511m0041zF43QAFzPsS8; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:23:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FzPr1m00X3NmwNy8kzPsei; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:23:52 +0000 References: From: William Pugh Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:23:51 -0700 To: "" s=q20121106; t=1377213832; bh=yyxMa+7IhITTV/mwX+yjOeqpht0J1yjNKZyqolbggVw=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=Wp7vI33d76Zr9QTCice5Hn0U9lBSrKqcafIqhVl48jlgg0ctuxanFlShc2StHV9Co rPEDO6dTlZG5tf5T6TzRQH+rYj4s6TYYS6IwQixiCr6F79slB8Vj5fHoKWklLCiZm9 1vILO90uWBYBnVw13lYJMdbYIbUEbh0gi22O09wvJQKbNEu3Xyl3mQDqtsI9EKfb6c QMkcgSm4+AZofLvD0sR136COAV49ShTO/TyPeIu+2GFNe+IejBPIZ/DNkevu5yZWcu QZ3XLkRnxKWkMkXyYMG0Ho5QXG8bt2QK1gqQaMHaJHRNPiuqGdDqrSBmKtX2MAepPY aSi7jwSpIZTgw== Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] Toyota supra engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not yet, but it is high on my I WANT IT list. Bill Pugh Wallace, CA On Aug 22, 2013, at 7:07 AM, wrote: > Are you re-powering one of your TRs? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 19:42:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B724051C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75194041C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13157.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.189.110]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VCgHL-0002KB-QI for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:35:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:35:15 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - transmission tunnel install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: After running my '2 project for several weeks getting up the nerve to install the transmission tunnel. Have delayed this in anticipation of any issues with the o/d or who knows? It has been some time since I removed the tunnel at the start of the project. Just eye-balling the process, I gather the seats must come out (again!), but what about the gear shift? Just the knob come off or does the entire lever come out? I have to fish the o/d wiring through the hole in the side of the tunnel - is there a grommet supposed to be there? My tunnel is already carpeted (glued on), so this might be a problem. Anything I'm missing here or what to look out for? Like so many other "piece of cake" procedures on my project, not sure what the '2 has in store for me. Thanks for any direction with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 19:46:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDAD40552 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86CC4041C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 01:46:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.161] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 01:46:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 01:46:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14877 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2013 01:46:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377222379; bh=yhhN3XJbkB7tX+sMAd6+rPqeEcz+HUigS1BgMlOCh7I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YN5+EfQlVIbwXvBY/CUo4Axw8TI1Jqm+WbB+08Bgxf1DECI5y1S8DdlKKeheBmsKfER9+gO02NiByVai5mio8VbaNPEPfrx5Goq3/FBmqPBYk6hBct4SMuSm/CbF51LESE/NF37gxkaHSd49eDKIeZpbvjtLhfW9LOnsCXTayAI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z+kHLXsqrL2wNImsC134SPLJK7v9tqz1vFHCsRTQq2vSCcOb8hEw6UoFFbTBHN94jj+7SWdQ0JFN8XbML/DPcXM1QreHBja9t6DDzjVp1yDiKYGP9VOppnFv+F1V2GJ5FQxet2wLQkR7SoU4Tz+c7zP00JvU32kz1iAjH6yx1sU=; Hkv3dC0yPS7_9dMq1t9F_ Received: from [108.0.20.132] by web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:46:19 PDT ZGVmaWFudGx5IHVzZSBhIGdyb21tZXQgaWYgcGFzc2luZyB3aXJlIHRocm91Z2ggaXQuCkkgd2FzIGFibGUgdG8gd3Jlc3RsZSBteSB0dW5uZWwgb2ZmIHdpdGgganVzdCB0aGUgZ2VhciBrbm9iIHJlbW92ZWQuIGJ1dCBpdCB3YXMgdGlnaHQuCmFuZCBpdHMganVzdCBhIFBJQSB3aXRoIGxvdHMgb2Ygc2F4b24gd29yZHMgdG8gZ2V0IHRoZSBib2x0cyB0byBsaW5lIHVwLCBnZXQgc3RhcnRlZCBhbmQgcnVuIGhvbWUuCsKgCsKgCgpGcm9tOiBBbmdlbG8gR3JhaGFtIDxhZ3JhaGFtQGV4ZWN1bGluay5jb20.ClQBMAEBAQE- References: <5216BC53.4080402@execulink.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:46:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Angelo Graham , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - transmission tunnel install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net defiantly use a grommet if passing wire through it. I was able to wrestle my tunnel off with just the gear knob removed. but it was tight. and its just a PIA with lots of saxon words to get the bolts to line up, get started and run home. From: Angelo Graham To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:35 PM Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - transmission tunnel install Hello List: After running my '2 project for several weeks getting up the nerve to install the transmission tunnel. Have delayed this in anticipation of any issues with the o/d or who knows? It has been some time since I removed the tunnel at the start of the project. Just eye-balling the process, I gather the seats must come out (again!), but what about the gear shift? Just the knob come off or does the entire lever come out? I have to fish the o/d wiring through the hole in the side of the tunnel - is there a grommet supposed to be there? My tunnel is already carpeted (glued on), so this might be a problem. Anything I'm missing here or what to look out for? Like so many other "piece of cake" procedures on my project, not sure what the '2 has in store for me. Thanks for any direction with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 11:36:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB0742880 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB60940403 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GEKD1m0041afHeLA4HcH4X; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:36:17 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GHcH1m00L2yr1eL8dHcH11; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:36:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:36:17 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1377279377; bh=xaAGMX18pqg6RImkv0vNmH/MbtaBZNMzRnNhaU3rpQE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=B7cKmtI8ZW6ORDeW/9ay6kaotFM3/2csGoFpV2S7E3GXL9qjrtDu6qjaTKtrD+GD7 KtBWmCREcc/3sXFmMpT0kaWn3zEWVHeAALzwaJA0azblBcwLhxYJd095qImifHMYaA IYnv1qfkbRiG1mqp2hHyCN/H/iX6pKcFei5DSP4Ilr6yYv7BlbxkwW+/8aybEA94iJ xiQQify/p6a1bbLZawxfKpFz1hFUYPAXlLzmquB0BeCElFuc1FAO1jnc3Dh6EOTpsd nH7oloO5gg7Mm+toqXN5VPzRlEsvRTkjK+BHCAAuub/VsTTaPJeWZIi6YaBCFvFK77 zs2qUaiTBWKdw== Subject: [TR] uncle jack picture, who ceated it? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a print I made from a tribute picture I got somewhere. Who created it? Please contact me. It's in here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/9002943345/in/pool-triumphstagcars%7Cpethier Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 13:22:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1AA429C1 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8921F4297F for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hr7so952998wib.12 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=SUYwE4unKYQzkXduiMYac1EBkDZ9FtZVAB2k/JMlEyc=; b=baUGhGHAnntMv5QRAjo7OixtwGSMsPTa7mf/gf87CQxG8mrSGn1E2TQxiF6/2eftC/ Hw92tMVBudg4FY0CQqtu3rrWPdyAOq2sIFXJCF3n3kcfT59L+T/Yna0P+r2M1RYXa8lJ shn/8nrxNSMln8bQlD7Atn6L0EXcJh3z/EdSBWf8rVNZjPNvRLTFukWnzGVVs7kwKqBB cN7VLoo811QEdG310ufywd7dlD+uI8GOloWNfUHp3wbUIwzQ0s+rs6E68jX80CtLqY4G f0BXHzo6Mf1Dp5BlobXBwt7Up1vINzNCMdLoYM8woLzUODd1Pu28Pjo8T0AIYusKboaS 7L2w== wc5mr981386wjc.23.1377285534437; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:18:34 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:18:34 -0400 To: Keith Stewart Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Generally similar tags have been seen on CA cars that were carried over from one year's inventory to the next (per John Warfield). The formatting was completely different though -- those tags had something like ST-63 or similar. It doesn't seem to be known exactly what your tag represents. Do you know what state it was originally sold in? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > Whilet I am familiar with the vehicle#, body#, engine# etc. on our > Triumphs, I > have never seen a plate quite like this one. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/sets/72157635192324690/ > It is on an early TR4 (November 1961) CT1218LO. Has anyone come across > such a > plate and what does the information mean? > > Keith Stewart > keithstewart@execulink.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 14:43:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EED40403 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F14403EF for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dyn-207-197.vpn.wisc.edu (dyn-207-197.vpn.wisc.edu [146.151.207.197]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MS00079B4821CC0@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:43:15 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-23_05:2013-08-23,2013-08-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308230097 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:43:14 -0500 References: <20130822202545.1TWEE.127038.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> To: Randall Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Got Judson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm too much of a novice to ask sensible questions. I'm just curious to hear how things go. Thanks for posting the install instructions. I think I've seen those elsewhere. Perhaps here: http://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/index.htm Though very VW oriented, there's a lot of good Judson info. They seem to have a more positive view of it's reliability (both the supercharger and the car). I don't know if I'd have the nerve to install one either, though. Take care. On 22 Aug 2013, at 3:25 PM, Randall wrote: > > ---- Jeffrey Gayton wrote: >> Darrel, >> >> Though I'm a newbie and have not yet found the late 63 or later TR4 surrey top >> of my dreams, I look forward to hearing more about the Judson. > > Anything in particular you would like to know? I have one, but not sure I'll ever actually put it on an engine. It's pretty crude by modern standards, not really designed to last very long (or let the engine last very long). And having to remember to add oil every 800 miles sounds like a hassle to me. If you run it dry for too long, the vanes self-destruct and take the engine with them ... > > One of the things I found interesting: Although the oiler was made by Marvel (the same folks who make Marvel Mystery Oil), it was NOT supposed to have MMO used in it. The instructions specify SAE 10 detergent motor oil: > http://tinyurl.com/lxx7bzf > > Randall -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 15:11:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E704052A for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43C1403EF for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13572.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.191.13] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VCyb1-0000O3-Vx for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:08:40 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:08:42 -0400 References: To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Fwd: Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It was originally sold in California. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-08-23, at 3:18 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > >> Generally similar tags have been seen on CA cars that were carried over from one year's inventory to the next (per John Warfield). The formatting was completely different though -- those tags had something like ST-63 or similar. It doesn't seem to be known exactly what your tag represents. >> >> Do you know what state it was originally sold in? >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: >> Whilet I am familiar with the vehicle#, body#, engine# etc. on our Triumphs, I >> have never seen a plate quite like this one. >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/sets/72157635192324690/ >> It is on an early TR4 (November 1961) CT1218LO. Has anyone come across such a >> plate and what does the information mean? >> >> Keith Stewart >> keithstewart@execulink.com >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 15:50:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF3E4006C for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4D9403EF for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:49:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id m17so820203vca.31 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=l1wuk7/IwebojlUyD5DOhN4Vpx/F+5bmGRUle2h8TzQ=; b=W3bGSypbiffrqlof7oQ/OdKF15rFBaP45x5AsRkkkkX/9rK7o+U7l2SoPU12tWk5sI J+mSqV/kyjpfw4WghetxN3VM8ZRPTlF0nyJF8hcw+HK3xz21obxDlB2eh9iGTu6eATFd a8W4JGRYQcvWfjel8FuKloJAjahm0ZVGuAEoPs/VaTRHZG3XxErIcT6aeoKzQZDKejRv KnnfROzJOppK4dmADaJMPuGfV7RVbXbowFf+Hp207RIzGsx1klUeZZo+Hcz2mTQBhkou llO/3CiWuLn6IlCC9am/H4z2PP9VBa7TdfhpvMJlqS6qZAVxJyb2SLuIIevct8xaH/Eh CatQ== da14mr1011887vdb.28.1377294592540; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.208 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:49:52 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Don Hiscock , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > Generally similar tags have been seen on CA cars that were carried over > from one year's inventory to the next (per John Warfield). The formatting > was completely different though -- those tags had something like ST-63 or > similar... STC tags were used to denote 'model' year (I believe irrespective of whether they were carried over inventory or not) in California and other states. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/STC_zpsf9151e92.jpg But the OPs tag is indeed something else altogether. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 17:04:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B2E40519 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42BC403A8 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=lg7PoHdtEDoA:10 a=v3ZZPjhaAAAA:8 a=8O8_cUXQto1lKHBfhzwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Kna09Q1u_EMA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:58922] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 04/43-23352-97AE7125; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 23:04:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:04:25 -0700 From: Randall To: Jeffrey Gayton Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Got Judson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Though very VW oriented, there's a lot of good Judson info. They seem to have > a more positive view of it's reliability (both the supercharger and the car). Possibly it does work out better on a Bug motor. One of the problems is that the Judson design is relatively inefficient, meaning it generates a lot of heat and consumes a lot of power for the amount of boost that it produces. And at least some of the heat is generated all the time, even when not using the boost. The blower is always compressing the inlet air, even when the throttle plate in the itty bitty 1BBL Holley carb is throttling down the engine for cruising. Hot fuel/air mixture makes the engine more apt to detonate (knock), as of course does running boost in the first place; and the stock TR motor doesn't have a lot of margin to begin with. There is a reason that the factory recommended 95 octane fuel. The oil being mixed with the fuel/air doesn't help either (oil has a horribly low anti-knock index). Modern blowers (like the kit Moss sells) use a more efficient compressor design (so generate less heat for a given boost & flow) and a bypass valve so it doesn't generate heat (and waste power/fuel) all the time. I believe (not certain) the Moss kit also includes provisions to retard the spark while running under boost, to keep the timing optimum and further reduce the chances of engine-destroying knock. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 17:21:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54168403F8 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7811E403A8 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=6xZT3G3QsWIA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=LVS21NSTAAAA:20 a=WUmv8wr_7eFcRhgCVGgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:59214] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 38/C7-02184-94EE7125; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 23:20:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 23:20:41 +0000 From: Randall To: Keith Stewart Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Don Hiscock wrote: > Generally similar tags have been seen on CA cars that were carried over > from one year's inventory to the next (per John Warfield). The formatting > was completely different though -- those tags had something like ST-63 or > similar. FWIW, here's a shot of an STC tag. I've seen several others, they weren't always the same color but the size, shape and script was always the same. http://tinyurl.com/2awrm8l (Sorry for the poor photo, that was my first digital camera and it didn't have macro mode or even 1/2 megapixel resolution.) Keith's tag seems to be something different. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 18:32:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1399C40527 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99F7403A8 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130824002856.ELWW10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:28:56 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id GQUw1m00Q33eLpB05QUwUp; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:28:56 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=yBJVudUkdrQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=cD6SOjbi3JcA:10 a=hh0CbkApQjbRfoXnQFsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:29:01 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: *Triumphs List Subject: [TR] TR6 trailing arm bushings... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 1975 TR6...getting the old bushings out is easy peasy lemon squeezy. Getting the new ones in, not so much. I wanted to use rubber bushings instead of urethane/nylatron since I drive for fun, not for speed or bumpiness. I managed, using a piece of all-thread, to get two new bushings in so far. But, instead of looking like they did before, they are coned on one end and flat on the end where I pulled them in. I assume that, as long as the brackets go on the bushings and on the car, and the metal sleeve is centered, that all will work ok. Does this sound reasonable? And, secondly: Is there a better way to get the bushings in the trailing arm? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 18:38:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4264640530 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B768403A8 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-215-125.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.215.125]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MS0006E1F3FK310@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 00:38:09 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-23_05:2013-08-23,2013-08-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308230135 From: Darrell Walker Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:38:02 -0700 References: <5217FE4D.3050505@charter.net> To: Jeff Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 trailing arm bushings... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 23, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Jeff wrote: > And, secondly: Is there a better way to get the bushings in the trailing arm? I've always used a small bottle jack, use one ear to support the base of the jack, then swap around. -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 06:20:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C11403A0 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FF440359 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:19:35 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=GDm-t4Qtm3kA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=7IdIzqbbYnEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=m_iz1oRhgzZyTVqC1i8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ylOcUFEn57AA:10 a=CCm_ciSIHSgA:10 a=qlSkxq1J03_JJFf0:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50790] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 40/F4-07736-6D4A8125; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:19:34 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:24:54 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing my windshield in my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If anybody out there has installed a windshield in a TR4 or TR4A I have a couple of questions. 1. Do I cement the rubber gasket into the windshield frame before I install the windshield? 2. I have heard that your supposed to use a rope of some kind to pull the gasket around the windshield? What type and diameter? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 06:32:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1F240450 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED33C40416 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:31:32 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=KfYLXsKEmnsA:10 a=jdWPYXwk_awA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=AURr0d9HucIA:10 a=vGQA54aUv9stQ9iYEXQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:54693] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E5/BB-23352-3A7A8125; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:31:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:31:32 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Dave Connitt References: <947D62D0083348A8843E9D964452B63C@DaveLaptop> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Installing my windshield in my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I managed to install the glass using nylon rope and soap but it is real hard and you risk breaking the glass. When it came time to get new glass, I just drove the car down to my local auto glass shop with the new glass, seal and the chrome strip in tow and had them perform the task. $80 and 2 hours later the job was done. Same on my TR6 restoration. As far as the seal, they used nothing and I dont see how any water could get past the seal. I have driven my 4 in some of the worst thunderstorms here in CNY and no leaks. I am sure others will post in that they used some sort of sealer. Pick your poison I guess. The rope I used was nylon maybe the diameter of shoelace. Bob On 08/24/2013 08:24 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > If anybody out there has installed a windshield in a TR4 or TR4A I have a > couple of questions. > 1. Do I cement the rubber gasket into the windshield frame before I install > the windshield? > 2. I have heard that your supposed to use a rope of some kind to pull the > gasket around the windshield? What type and diameter? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 06:43:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2499D4051F for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8099F40356 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:39:27 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=k8pmW5XdVegA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=HdgWFlkp-akA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=f8RVp30eAAAA:20 a=JO30_DGJAAAA:20 a=bOosSW8jyedwdomN27MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=BLmv9bzbTyUA:10 a=JtmMCYyl4WMA:10 a=XrzfKcqJKl_3L8CiBYEA:9 a=X9kATaTSgaGmUXWF:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50492] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 05/46-20052-E79A8125; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:39:26 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:44:47 -0400 Subject: [TR] Installing a windshield in my TR4A (more information) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just came across a really informative Youtube video on installing windshields; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7Prioj9Xo I was planning on doing it completely differently, installing the gasket in the windshield frame first.. Need to find some of that 3M 8509 sealer.. I will let you know how it goes! Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 07:36:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66C2403B2 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB00C403A0 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130824133602.HWIN10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:36:02 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Gdc21m00K33eLpB05dc20b; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:36:02 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=CK6qcoTVOrMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=JlBDqscSL6MA:10 a=f8RVp30eAAAA:20 a=pZDoI8JtitVbCuzu7BEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:36:06 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <013B87003CC047C1A80A4A5CDAC31A20@DaveLaptop> Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a windshield in my TR4A (more information) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/24/2013 8:44 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I just came across a really informative Youtube video on installing > windshields; > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7Prioj9Xo > > I was planning on doing it completely differently, installing the gasket in > the windshield frame first.. Need to find some of that 3M 8509 sealer.. I've done dozens of Volkswagen windows, which are similar to Triumphs. Never done a Mustang, and so here's my comments, for what they're worth... 1. I never used a sealer, never had a leak - when the frame and glass are clean and intact, and the gasket is of good quality. 2. I used a rope of somewhat smaller diameter than his - maybe 3/16" or 1/4" nylon. 3. Lubricate the gasket with diluted dish soap. Doesn't take much, just make it a little slippery. 4. I always cross or lap the rope at the bottom, so that you pull the first end /past/ the second when you start. This ensures that you get the whole gasket lip over with the rope. 5. He does the "slapping" just right - flat of the hand, not a fist. 6. I used a short cotter pin puller with a dull tip to fix any of the lip that didn't make it all the way over. Then push the gasket into place, just like you saw him do. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 08:32:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346234051F for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:32:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB89D403A7 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13572.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.191.13] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VDEp0-00025C-9A; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:28:10 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:28:10 -0400 References: <20130823232041.96WR3.131561.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> To: Randall Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen those STC tags on cars at shows. Mine is definitely unlike those. It is closer in appearance to the body number plate but it is not the body number plate as that also exists and is more closely aligned with the commission number plate. Someone mentioned a chassis tag. I have seen numbers stamped on Commission Plates, Body Number Plates, engines, gearboxes and diffs but I have never seen a tag or stamping on a chassis. The Bentley manual (and others) show the various plates and stampings but do not show a plate similar to this or a chassis plate/stamp. Were there numbers on the chassis? Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-08-23, at 7:20 PM, Randall wrote: > > ---- Don Hiscock wrote: >> Generally similar tags have been seen on CA cars that were carried over >> from one year's inventory to the next (per John Warfield). The formatting >> was completely different though -- those tags had something like ST-63 or >> similar. > > FWIW, here's a shot of an STC tag. I've seen several others, they weren't always the same color but the size, shape and script was always the same. > http://tinyurl.com/2awrm8l > (Sorry for the poor photo, that was my first digital camera and it didn't have macro mode or even 1/2 megapixel resolution.) > > Keith's tag seems to be something different. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 11:41:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA10440446 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B434403B1 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id q14so1228311vbe.27 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c65SIglXmv0IqNtanbNYHZ18Bug5/xACyFpOqiKSheY=; b=oq7fvDH4Fsgx/9T6UA+P+gNyjNyq1noRFTnoL0K+T9OvMYoJDcruV53MbAVzr/qg48 VOrgZYtjhTXHbQOJFZLU1TdDWj52GXGjUbVn5tJrapLKZZlYAqumyG6GlmEWfel1k29l 2teQ0MNeL0y3UOmmbQWWed2v3eLhKz78/E3eZNDejTBOIYpUC6JRsBPNJCO4sL/cJUK0 CZkQQpOWFom1U4KXyEax1zDbMIcXJViDyEXigdQJlKJy7Mx/8JYPM/z9KEtcI4AbFkdt zz/vqxkj8ifTNy53Afi4lq3yT/KCkZivPAJcSLL5LkXLA1LEBQ2Dd98oL06hf1xzue2R paVg== Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.208 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130823232041.96WR3.131561.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> <1F874B35-9C86-473D-BEFC-3BB103EBC7D1@execulink.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:41:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Keith Stewart , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > ... Someone mentioned a chassis tag. I have seen numbers > stamped on Commission Plates, Body Number Plates, engines, gearboxes and > diffs > but I have never seen a tag or stamping on a chassis. Possibly what some call a chassis tag is what others may call a body tag. On a TR4: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/ChassisTag2.jpg Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 15:18:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056734040A for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A779E4032C for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13572.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.191.13] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VDLDX-00077y-6J; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:17:55 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:17:56 -0400 References: <20130823232041.96WR3.131561.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> <1F874B35-9C86-473D-BEFC-3BB103EBC7D1@execulink.com> To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net  and that is what I have on this car (commission number 1218LO and body number 1444CT). Those two are within a reasonable spread of one another. The mystery plate, 411CT, is not consistent with that number range. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-08-24, at 1:41 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > ... Someone mentioned a chassis tag. I have seen numbers > stamped on Commission Plates, Body Number Plates, engines, gearboxes and diffs > but I have never seen a tag or stamping on a chassis. > > > Possibly what some call a chassis tag is what others may call a body tag. On a TR4: > > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/ChassisTag2.jpg > > Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 16:05:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C6C40448 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C6E40355 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l20so2210970oag.3 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=fsJHVWbfVp2CM0U+yKbI6gK6rCxYxPdkBCl8bAsxPBM=; b=d74ObSXP2ir1d3+6lb1B671H+kQuV5hpaV3JFa+zIaD0SfSMugxXK5VoaLWPC3NVyz e1mODjo2gCqPRpketr4xaLTAxRAFrvbjUx1FmpRHg04lkCVAGBt1PAWLLTuIy1kMXVPh KzGl/vfP0+fCbvGA1sNem/GOHIYOPUsqcqGW+p/LAUgzcqZUdpfTgdt7wHQwUwxjmFVy rhcoXkBpHf13dgw9GVqAhzSfPy5AMSHXqo+xuxIq9fqlbMKfPPYCLP7nHNVe3PFakIGS o6XCySVQE5c83Eq/QYOOlFlsPjGckJrN0GaoKu+o6jIyTMTbqEqZd09Kb8vyoaBbhMRL lADw== Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s9sm3315700obu.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:05:14 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6hFRwxYBCma0ihTdGul/RT6SiBIg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Tranny Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an early TR4 A type overdrive tranny (CT5452) from my early 62 TR4. My TR6 trannies have a vent hole on the front of the top cover. I don't see one on this tranny at all. Is there supposed to be a vent hole on these? I would think there would be. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 16:27:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5F440450 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2CC40396 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-13572.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.75.191.13] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VDMI1-0007H9-UO; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:26:38 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:26:38 -0400 References: <20130823232041.96WR3.131561.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> <1F874B35-9C86-473D-BEFC-3BB103EBC7D1@execulink.com> <992586BD-27A6-4187-AA1A-9DE8540E9F68@execulink.com> <521927C8.40302@dfn.com> To: Michael Porter Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Mystery S/N or VIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My first thoughts were trim and colour but there is no alignment there either - Wedgwood Blue and Black interior with white top. The Commission Number plates that showed paint and trim colours came much later. I also have CT6716LO which is a 62 and it does not have this plate. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-08-24, at 5:38 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > On 8/24/2013 3:17 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: >>  and that is what I have on this car (commission number 1218LO and body >> number 1444CT). Those two are within a reasonable spread of one another. The >> mystery plate, 411CT, is not consistent with that number range. >> >> > > I'm wondering if this was something the factory added for West Coast Sales to indicate something peculiar to their operation. The CT is clear enough, so perhaps the 411 indicated exterior and interior colors, or it could be a sequential number indicating the running total of that model delivered to West Coast (West Coast Sales, for a number of years, had some separate arrangements with the factory from other distributors--they even produced their own technical bulletins). I'm pretty sure my TR4 (CT2334L) was original when I bought it used, and it did not have such a tag, and it came through the distributor in New Jersey. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 17:36:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49906403C7 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6295D40396 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id h1so2205271oag.24 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:33:45 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=GZlyOBJ3vzLl82SWdk0frhUZq24Ni2hDSK9UCk1rtSQ=; b=eUfEDubTiHLZqVnjNBcdWBb7mF3y3+xt83OhPcr//pSAiOeFo36lkJILlFLMkJuZye G0FqN6z+lBoXWIDe5prbH1rheoE36yA/EuZnsgmffxtr8nKQoIS69r049AsEocvDXqaM STeepCcAqWZM7xn5J6bjEBWWqjT6TnSOrcywVQNShLWi6KQTTUDYXAP5Wk1SrSnNEJhJ Q5iy+gERzzEs0iEhPrbJa9UFef1o3w6x5O7tne21ImAiPYb0D0PTQ0tAgJPwoO6UIOdg 37stslgrLPVbvQwJJSP7/IjDqmHPF8FK15P43iefgk9dx6zJCDr06NdJTrYkYGAQJLb6 VMjA== w4mr6591212obl.25.1377387225097; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rl1sm7134267oeb.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Tony Drews'" References: <023a01cea116$039f0a30$0add1e90$@gmail.com> <521939c9.86d8420a.3c8e.674dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:34:09 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGtHWO9o9p55cyIYTCnYssFqbpGogGUql6LmdtkcHA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. Found the little pipe near the top of the OD unit on the passenger side. I love this list! Jim Henningsen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:37 PM To: James Henningsen Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny Question The vent is in the OD. Kind of a closed off pipe sticking out the top (right?) with a hole in the side of it. Tony Drews At 05:05 PM 8/24/2013, you wrote: >I have an early TR4 A type overdrive tranny (CT5452) from my early 62 TR4. >My TR6 trannies have a vent hole on the front of the top cover. I don't >see one on this tranny at all. Is there supposed to be a vent hole on >these? I would think there would be. > >Thanks, > >Jim Henningsen > >Ocala, FL > >62 TR4 > >75 TR6 > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 19:56:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD8740437 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950914032A for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130825015046.FHQX24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:50:46 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Gpqm1m00G33eLpB05pqmW7; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:50:46 -0400 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=7D-fpHCyWW0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=KG51aASmjw8A:10 a=sb7GdhwE3y2pMuvUPTYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dN2NZh0H5v2uaxWC:21 a=bK9o7193jG3ywjSD:21 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:50:51 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: *Triumphs List References: <5217FE4D.3050505@charter.net> <52180086.1020705@dfn.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 trailing arm bushings... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/23/2013 8:38 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > On 8/23/2013 6:29 PM, Jeff wrote: >> >> >> And, secondly: Is there a better way to get the bushings in the >> trailing arm? > > Silicon grease helps, and won't harm the rubber. That worked about as well as anything...I had some ATE Plastilube. Made the bushings slide easier. Once they were in, I pulled them back from the other direction to center the inner sleeve and make them look like they are supposed to look...sort of. Today, though, I would have given a hundred dollars for a pair of snap ring pliers that weren't utter crap. Thanks, Michael! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 20:51:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FED40450 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9C74032B for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 20:50:51 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=CK6qcoTVOrMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=JlBDqscSL6MA:10 a=f8RVp30eAAAA:20 a=QtRv23TBAQ9LJBHHDF0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:54130] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8B/C0-21526-90179125; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 02:50:49 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Jeff'" , References: <013B87003CC047C1A80A4A5CDAC31A20@DaveLaptop> <5218B6C6.5020404@charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:50:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6gzve3oVuDq9RMTHi4ZXDFiLWYPgAbq5rg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a windshield in my TR4A (more information) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How about the windshield frame to body gasket. Any sealer Needed? Johnnie > On 8/24/2013 8:44 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > > I just came across a really informative Youtube video on installing > > windshields; > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7Prioj9Xo > > > > I was planning on doing it completely differently, installing the > > gasket in the windshield frame first.. Need to find some of that 3M > 8509 sealer.. > > I've done dozens of Volkswagen windows, which are similar to Triumphs. > Never done a Mustang, and so here's my comments, for what they're > worth... > > 1. I never used a sealer, never had a leak - when the frame and glass > are clean and intact, and the gasket is of good quality. > > 2. I used a rope of somewhat smaller diameter than his - maybe 3/16" > or 1/4" nylon. > > 3. Lubricate the gasket with diluted dish soap. Doesn't take much, > just make it a little slippery. > > 4. I always cross or lap the rope at the bottom, so that you pull the > first end /past/ the second when you start. This ensures that you get > the whole gasket lip over with the rope. > > 5. He does the "slapping" just right - flat of the hand, not a fist. > > 6. I used a short cotter pin puller with a dull tip to fix any of the > lip that didn't make it all the way over. Then push the gasket into > place, just like you saw him do. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 06:32:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB8E403DE for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 06:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E6940326 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 06:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 437C47000008A for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 15B5CE000081 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:29:58 -0400 (EDT) References: <013B87003CC047C1A80A4A5CDAC31A20@DaveLaptop> <5218B6C6.5020404@charter.net> <002a01cea13d$e2f0c530$a8d24f90$@rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com (64.12.159.4) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:29:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:29:57 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377433798; bh=3lMy1lo8EfVxreFRbi4QMXlWpVqlcd8T9k8jxb5dgWY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HNV6a6oeK5FzACHrJPsNqfd5XF3VmGAIz+7Kg5fM8eJDB5lek2nJQ4yJwU95SwoQa KxACCNGc8d4u19J5SRM41d70BM8HfF32WZ+v7HIX8t+FB+2lWAC2qXtB3Py4/aEwWK uWKzOpPOkE0+BNnl4zl1tjuqcJb3Ak4PkBZWay2Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5219f8c676e9 Subject: Re: [TR] Installing a windshield in my TR4A (more information) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had to resort to Dum Dum to stop a leak at that point on my TR6. In theory, if the rubber is nice and compressible and if you can get enough compression you shouldn't need sealer but in the real world... Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: John & Pat Donnelly How about the windshield frame to body gasket. Any sealer Needed? Johnnie > On 8/24/2013 8:44 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > > I just came across a really informative Youtube video on installing > > windshields; > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7Prioj9Xo > > > > I was planning on doing it completely differently, installing the > > gasket in the windshield frame first.. Need to find some of that 3M > 8509 sealer.. > > I've done dozens of Volkswagen windows, which are similar to Triumphs. > Never done a Mustang, and so here's my comments, for what they're > worth... > > 1. I never used a sealer, never had a leak - when the frame and glass > are clean and intact, and the gasket is of good quality. > > 2. I used a rope of somewhat smaller diameter than his - maybe 3/16" > or 1/4" nylon. > > 3. Lubricate the gasket with diluted dish soap. Doesn't take much, > just make it a little slippery. > > 4. I always cross or lap the rope at the bottom, so that you pull the > first end /past/ the second when you start. This ensures that you get > the whole gasket lip over with the rope. > > 5. He does the "slapping" just right - flat of the hand, not a fist. > > 6. I used a short cotter pin puller with a dull tip to fix any of the > lip that didn't make it all the way over. Then push the gasket into > place, just like you saw him do. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 13:01:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EFF403E2 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8882F403C7 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id H70a1m00F2QmmGk0170bMB; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:00:36 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:00:28 -0500 Subject: [TR] harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was told this is a tr2 harness. can anyone verify/deny? thanks http://www.ranteer.com/harness/ btw b Ibm planning on putting it on ebay, so if someone needs it, make me an offer. I also have the voltage regulator and license plate light that goes with it. the light is definitely tr2/3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 14:10:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C23B403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AC6403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id m17so1642972vca.31 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aRivBEArXYXf2K6b1Zaq/EHaETbExUirKfB1eEFzidY=; b=NLiLBbDCkz81WVtSSiCygimSX4i4TR7LjvAg8iRYHx+qQC2TLQapOfdUo+o/Gysgib tT5GIi3zxRnsUyvR+MS1+ItcAIwXjiw2hsqZyzcaGtbRk64f1xYXZDDX5kUB69Jzb5zQ 8biPFIRT1PWPEhkbkxK8n65RpX8n5t3Rkyl/pRhwj72Vff8ccOX5SlLyW2rdPCdEuF2V 9nvE2NMgTxNtFRjbtSr/Ev5FnfRCNzJxH0SYyj+ng3Dtir+WWummctAAIRyaFEytQ8Qn oxOt+y7h4X1aMQjJaqIHcIcemysE2+2orKgN8222Oqt1tQMiOQDDPMHiteazmU7eQK8J FTyg== Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.208 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <1EE7180C3E2A41AEA204659412AC646C@Datsun> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:10:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave -- Those grey connectors were used on TR4s though an original TR4 harness would have been wrapped in blue non-stick tape (though this one may have been re-wrapped in electrical tape). I am not real familiar with the TR2 but perhaps those 3 wires for the wiper motor provide a clue -- look like the TR3A-TR4 set-up there. Does the paper tag on the harness offer any clue? Geo On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Dave wrote: > I was told this is a tr2 harness. can anyone verify/deny? > > thanks > > http://www.ranteer.com/harness/ > > btw b Ib m planning on putting it on ebay, so if someone needs it, make me > an offer. I also have the voltage regulator and license plate light that > goes > with it. the light is definitely tr2/3 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 15:56:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41813403EA for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227FB403A5 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 21:56:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.161] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 21:56:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 21:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 59816 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2013 21:56:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377467764; bh=YOtW+V8YMZCKBsiEtdt3eESd0HVPBIvSKS+f3mZ3Q6I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=si0RF0aCsIO2RVSAiqo3XnrMwq3ALJlcZoycNLZbckNJsVTb1FRZPV4FVqwnwhylqmAYD1XkhgS9uwWSMJBhEgDUg5XCwMkviC11jqFAEifdqi7rKkMIfCLkA2y+CCOXKjaXFf065tm0kW2Cg8nFt3snFaOn7uCsElIjl/FKNNo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZZ3iJ8Vqh9b1zNOlSNRoTlZdcvMQWaqVUSapn76QxLKht75E3OP35jcKQfTLwZmWNC+XK7CSP9i5reNnstngs8AVo1L8EOmbSlQEJFgCIfsg3Dce42d3mmXjP+VXi98KnQPGbGgdt/EsfzTm/JqWVtEmpnFZ8r6TRh4cTLuKA8I=; pwhsOVTu7EapTLO8kArt8UX2UpFORWhachFABmmMbEMRngYcYcYqBv9ROhtJ HqcFz0lBAVDtOCNyl1r.GGFclnvGMZ8qNelhZGmx0Z1BYya4Va9EjW4WaOpe 07V73mj4zp0r7PmwXyBiahtAxBMV_Xbehw1Fx1OFU8yWpYqUU7DUlhj1_gh. 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My tr-3 is running well but I have a concern about cooling. My guage doesn't show the correct temperature so I don't have a good measure of what's going on. I have an electric fan. I have been measuring the temp with a meat thermometer shoved between the fins to get some idea and come up with temps in the range of 190 to 210. These measurements are taken after a run with engine idling. I have a new 4lb. radiator cap. The last two drives have resulted in puddles under the car coming from the overflow bottle. The bottle has a screw on lid so the fluid must be fairly pressurized as its coming through the lid (or maybe the push on tube into the bottom of the bottle although there is some liquid up around the lid). After both runs I've checked the fluid in the radiator and its down at least an inch and half.........almost the bottom of the radiator fill resevoir. My conclusion is that some time during a drive (approx 25 miles) the radiator is boiling and pushing out fluid........or can it push out fluid without boiling? At any rate I'm assuming that when fluid is pushed out........it later should be sucked back into the radiator and thats not happening. My overflow bottle was also almost full after the cool down after the last two drives .......when I think it should be at normal level. Any thoughts or ideas? gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 16:12:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCDE40407 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79194403A5 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=TcctOKSnFHIA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=_Fahw1l3AAAA:20 a=3oOSIAwQFOAM_cBGa1QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=5dzHL1kAPGmBv0Faw3HT8Q==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.182] ([10.127.132.182:54341] helo=cdptpa-web31-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 69/85-11231-8518A125; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 22:12:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 22:12:40 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave wrote: > I was told this is a tr2 harness. can anyone verify/deny? Nope, don't think so. TR2 used only bullets and bare wires, there were no 'Lucar' connectors (aka flat quick connects) and I see quite a few of them on that harness. They also didn't use colored PVC insulation back then, let alone PVC tape. The original wires would have had black rubber inner insulation (which I think is natural rubber, but never tried to find out for sure), then an outer cloth layer on each wire (originally colored but now faded to brown), and woven cloth over the harness as well. Clearly not an original TR2 harness. You can see some of the original harness in this shot of my late TR3: http://tinyurl.com/mhbzzhy (The PVC wires in the photo were added by me, originally from my early TR3A.) As Geo noted, I think the wires for the wiper motor are wrong (TR2 made the ground connection at the dash, not at the motor); and I think I see wires for the 'beehive' lamps in the rear (which of course the TR2 did not have) plus no wire for the center brake light on a TR2. I'm guessing that is a late TR3A harness, or maybe TR4. Lots of ebay seller pretend to not know the difference. One of them assured me that the brake rotors he had for sale would fit my TR2 Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 17:51:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66664403EF for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0438E403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=jZGasyH_t6kA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=LJU0Ck_kIdqj3gjXsXEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=5dzHL1kAPGmBv0Faw3HT8Q==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.182] ([10.127.132.182:59813] helo=cdptpa-web31-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id BD/DC-02184-C789A125; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:51:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:51:24 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , Gary Nafziger Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] cooling tr-3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Gary Nafziger wrote: > My conclusion > is that some time during a drive (approx 25 miles) the radiator is boiling and > pushing out fluid........or can it push out fluid without boiling? At any > rate I'm assuming that when fluid is pushed out........it later should be > sucked back into the radiator and thats not happening. My overflow bottle was > also almost full after the cool down after the last two drives .......when I > think it should be at normal level. > > Any thoughts or ideas? Several possibilities. The coolant does expand when it gets hot, so if you fill everything full, it will get pushed out while driving. The original 4 psi caps were not designed to be used with a recovery bottle; they leak and allow air back into the radiator. Especially with the bottle down low (about the only place to mount it on a TR3), the cap has to hold some vacuum to pull the water back up. I tried adding a rubber gasket, and sealing the rivet with silicone sealer, but never could get it to suck water up. For awhile I ran a modern cap that I modified to match the longer TR3 fill neck; but now I have the neck replaced so I can use most modern caps. The cost was only $20 or so while the radiator was in for service anyway. I've also had problems in the past with water pumps that would suck air. If your bottle is mounted below the level of the water pump, that might be an issue. Or the water pump might just be losing water slowly while driving, as my current pump seems to be doing. Another possibility of course is a leaking head gasket. I've spent literally years fighting with head gaskets that only leak a little bit, and only combustion gases into the water jacket while accelerating. If the leak is small enough, the air works it's way into the top of the radiator and forces water out the cap, but doesn't interrupt the flow enough to cause a boil-over. My 59 TR3A was actually more or less drivable that way, with the system low by a half gallon or so, as long as I didn't get into any big traffic jams or whatever. Any radiator shop can test for this condition, with a tool that checks the CO2 concentration in the air in the radiator. Although my shop charged less than $20, I went ahead and bought the "Block Tester" tool so I can do it myself. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 18:42:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65335403E8 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1945F403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MS4005724LT53C0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:41:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:41:52 -0400 Thread-index: Ac6h83LI7AHKnG3RR6q4VFYQSNok6w== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 flasher test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How would I test the flasher? Tail lights & front lamps work ok when lights turned on. but nothing happens when I turn on the turn signal. Green wire at flasher is receiving current. I don't hear any tell-tale clicking but not sure I could. Sockets and lamps test ok (direct connect from battery) but I have nothing coming through the wires. I tested with direct connection from socket ground to battery to make sure it wasn't a grounding issue. I tried jumping from G to both output wires but nothing happened which makes me think it might be the flasher but not really sure. Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 19:09:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21FC403F9 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39653403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MS40059J5VJ6VZ0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:09:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "''Triumphs''" References: <000001cea1f5$0ed7b480$2c871d80$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:09:21 -0400 Thread-index: AQKhXwxg4gMybMG5kQjpMdupUuZ3hJgBM4ig Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 flasher test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FYI - I am testing with regular 1156 & 1157 lamps. C Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:42 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: [TR] TR3 flasher test How would I test the flasher? Tail lights & front lamps work ok when lights turned on. but nothing happens when I turn on the turn signal. Green wire at flasher is receiving current. I don't hear any tell-tale clicking but not sure I could. Sockets and lamps test ok (direct connect from battery) but I have nothing coming through the wires. I tested with direct connection from socket ground to battery to make sure it wasn't a grounding issue. I tried jumping from G to both output wires but nothing happened which makes me think it might be the flasher but not really sure. Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 20:03:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941E8403F9 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B4A403D4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ybL3WExVAXAA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=NE2mDxB2qVv7O_fgV-kA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=5dzHL1kAPGmBv0Faw3HT8Q==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.182] ([10.127.132.182:34406] helo=cdptpa-web31-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 6C/F3-02184-D47BA125; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:02:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 2:02:53 +0000 From: Randall To: ''Triumphs'' , cfmtr3a@verizon.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 flasher test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- CFM-TR wrote: > How would I test the flasher? Tail lights & front lamps work ok when > lights turned on. but nothing happens when I turn on the turn signal. They're kind of tricky, because the stock flasher is designed to only work within a narrow range of current. In theory, that is to let you (the driver) know when a bulb is burned out. You'll need about 4-5 amps, about 3 ohms (and 50 watts). Probably easier to make up a dummy load from a couple of bulbs (but be sure to wire the stop/turn filament, as the tail filament doesn't draw enough current). > I tried jumping from G to both output wires but nothing happened which makes > me think it might be the flasher but not really sure. That would lead me to believe just the opposite. Did you have the ignition switch and turn switch both on at the time? Check that there was still power on green with the jumper in place? Jumpering green to one output should light the dash lamp, the other light both signals on the side selected at the switch. If that doesn't work, fix it first and then go back to the flasher. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 07:50:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAD9403F0 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54A6403E7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 13:50:36 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.164] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 13:50:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 13:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 6631 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2013 13:50:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377525035; bh=NNb+8m3WhtkibPlJZeBqYdqEw6kwO7q4oi1zR0g3XVk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UwClh8Vzc3tSulPGsRv0RdGat1AsPiaaEXWybpvpArYGLRxT+4VmuS05Uj6EznE4w/2SRO+IcA2cMAfFwAn0YW3CTtDJiDFs3b61QjE5Qi02FP/QSaf8zI5DHWZh/jvfKq+Jprn1bwG0wv/jtEI3+E1vLiIDGzM2hqZZnHJib9o= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s17lFw5Bo/5pcC5iTDfJBVQIX3yLUIze84ql32xPAJRCqueCP1QYJbDjlrSXn6Pdz03XJAMS14duQ2Fd8QRj/dTYmgHOqySf46ODMb8N3o4lD2hk5uy6mSw+9kDTM1FPLXSpfgbUoJBn2PnwRilSPwZOLpjGHtH2Nh7wTtQJQyI=; XH.YA.nxtYCcm5w8nBUKKPmx1xsllTfgEKoox9h.mlqOZlhgDBvvuFL9itoX qRTa2cfYrnHN15.JLXpf0FjfJxXC29jR745..gxRuWLT9zw26916cpm2b69o EiZqyVNb7vgovN54GQoNdk54P7IJzLJOVQvIXE5Q2T6SwWlxh1PAMKKZ4sAW im_q8lH4Z8EX8VQntE6ZVeKZXqhvr6mZE6M44cHSLOXtWuTL_d0RL7M9FeYA OLXHDJhKNlT8.YENpVBFi6fCYRcwvYW1PclnuNKj4YPPDdq5vzjoFs_Rmb2C _.lWC4lsAkEW11d9EcxsuYtGZitbF2mqMcnCjvSfARmjwsPs2rtBzBZXkmGE g.IzXnMbIUDE3LT9cEK8aK2os1mYq7boY6Tq1r97r707SJuWUTnbDyUEvyZB tkmrLJkcm1EWn6nNz0Y.bHPtu7waXqMv7UdPaluMjIs3LggF9dInDM6t8AzG bsLzdJhyiG0w44l9VsQf6JBhxczJ3LkoQwYe_bcqX5xkSyXgU0x4qF9S7VRF Tzllaikv1LuU2WRkq39I5yYs- Received: from [69.110.214.99] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 06:50:35 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBBIHdoaWxlIGJhY2sgc29tZW9uZSBpbiBTb3V0aGVybiBDYWxpZm9ybmlhIG1lbnRpb25lZCB0aGF0IHRoZXkgaGF2ZSBhIHN0cmFpZ2h0IFRSNiBob29kIChib25uZXQpIHRoYXQgdGhleSBjb3VsZCBzZWxsIG1lLiBJZiB5b3Ugc3RpbGwgaGF2ZSBpdCwgZ2l2ZSBtZSBhbiBlbWFpbCBvZmYgbGlzdC4KwqAgwqAgwqBUaGFua3MsCgrCoCDCoCDCoEJpbGwgaW4gVGVoYWNoYXBpATABAQEB Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 06:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] WTB - TR6 Hood Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A while back someone in Southern California mentioned that they have a straight TR6 hood (bonnet) that they could sell me. If you still have it, give me an email off list. Thanks, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 09:47:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6613740419 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1454B403E7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 15:47:20 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 15:47:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 15:47:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 27512 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2013 15:47:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377532040; bh=Zk1DRzJqNq5N3C2bAepGCdcyPE2gedgbi8i2EKfLDzc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FkscDxHiij/aLnoNFtJsjmB2OK4ZUtNoTHx5jlxZtuAmm66t4D1IHYvWTAuFD20K0MoBMmAQqDbD2Tv78jIS4xAqR0P4iKfNg1H/XFH0Ns2bTIZUblbSqUXPCKgRuEDHMOxiLvNT5CCpN4BkC0T8y4KhOOg22eS5Dl/ZqsR8i5k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mQhUf8tvLSyMUV9ajLbGtVRfPzIGi5LocFPhtSCZHODAC7uuixrS9K5awyjEC+hsLGfSan5mpY5nMjRvsyqrGd3N+5NqtezrWY8Y5GpjXy95r3HoO+PaC5/LjS9Q4ttztXwKGunyNPZkBpin6RAw+gwa2FL7d3EUdNLiV3fp1jg=; ap0bn7VsDYHYC7g3UoRG6yLBFAkl2fBgIvxidqOIXY_HOC35J7hwCWQK8V7g p86B1ZXJd7J2Xg8zpt8mBCHNZhFFlxe8b4LVCjjdi7mzMXwVWSVrjQWF8KN1 hwLjEKn6oLjYJcXoFpcIuHrWfPVO3wM7vRpNAxr2YQwKFcn1cZn63ndfob0z l297KmMkMh_DAuKfrU8ZT33k68Pvdn8s9_1tsxvzaayI8GEa5oOOAiLC09fj xtXu4q_KtEigV8VFc28wfb3lm3KHQdlE2ayaz2bFs6pHWVMpl6kSTIEY7UG_ gAVGsyfknZiSgOcDX049EUqQVhA_qbaQUqA8Dabls_7t4KKy1FM.IRpqSOGq zTyDGa2tKB8al6JdHC.YsTY5BFpJKWuy0EsodAh8fphiy2XwzO2HoEphg4Jy gs5B7bP8TKIuSvmjSXqzz7ek4_6xTH8cMC_mwDPYRhaqljvqVkbSZ276Bus3 PvmeW3DYZRaKwV01cvfnVvq3ACi1d.yq.NLz_YO6zcbSlxp9Qz9sxI3xCzOM iAfypwEbxR2SXEzOJInyDRAU7sHSASHQlC.MAbTKE4t0RI0465rHslGU9tUO cnfMA6T0jUvEySg-- Received: from [63.110.186.130] by web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:47:18 PDT SSdtIG5vdCBzdXJlIHRoYXQgdXNpbmcgdGhlIHN0b2NrIGNhcCB3aWxsIGFsbG93IGZvciBmbHVpZmYgcmVjb3ZlcnkgZnJvbSBhbiBvdmVyZmxvdyBib3R0bGUuCndoZW4gSSBpbnNwZWN0IG15IGZsdWlmZiBsZXZlbCBpdCBpcyBhbHdheXMgbG93LiBtYXliZSBhIGxpdHRsZSBtb3JlIHRoYW4geW91ciBkZXNjcmlwdGlvbi4gYnV0IG9mIGNvdXJzZSBhcyB3YXRlciBoZWF0cyB1cCBpdCBleHBhbmRzIGFuZCBJJ20gYXNzdW1pbmcgZ2V0cyB0aGUgZmlsbGVyIG5lY2sgcHJldHR5IGZ1bGwnaXNoLgpJIGhhdmUBMAEBAQE- References: <1377467764.46361.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Gary Nafziger , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] cooling tr-3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure that using the stock cap will allow for fluiff recovery from an overflow bottle. when I inspect my fluiff level it is always low. maybe a little more than your description. but of course as water heats up it expands and I'm assuming gets the filler neck pretty full'ish. I have bought but not yet fitted an overflow reservoir from a later MGB. they are made of brass and painted black. I'm in the process of removing the paint and polishing to bright finish. my intent is to replace the stock cap with a TR4 oil filler cap. then run a hose to the MGB reservoir and find a modern depth 4lb cap for the reservoir. hose clamps required of course. ill let you know how this works for me when I get it finished Frank ________________________________ From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:56 PM Subject: [TR] cooling tr-3 Just a question. My tr-3 is running well but I have a concern about cooling. My guage doesn't show the correct temperature so I don't have a good measure of what's going on. I have an electric fan. I have been measuring the temp with a meat thermometer shoved between the fins to get some idea and come up with temps in the range of 190 to 210. These measurements are taken after a run with engine idling. I have a new 4lb. radiator cap. The last two drives have resulted in puddles under the car coming from the overflow bottle. The bottle has a screw on lid so the fluid must be fairly pressurized as its coming through the lid (or maybe the push on tube into the bottom of the bottle although there is some liquid up around the lid). After both runs I've checked the fluid in the radiator and its down at least an inch and half.........almost the bottom of the radiator fill resevoir. My conclusion is that some time during a drive (approx 25 miles) the radiator is boiling and pushing out fluid........or can it push out fluid without boiling? At any rate I'm assuming that when fluid is pushed out........it later should be sucked back into the radiator and thats not happening. My overflow bottle was also almost full after the cool down after the last two drives .......when I think it should be at normal level. Any thoughts or ideas? gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 13:55:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D1B4040F for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DE6403D3 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id r11so1783499lbi.18 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EDN0d+duRr21MDkFOjS+mDR3STeSHqEkum4DR2fbTXE=; b=ihUzL45QSdKHiamUwIrLJGwP2AEmk9iwe5TqqvUSRctdKLrA/2k097oIzmKwLUFzBq 2014rYE5YTcH6PrOu8xoq5lE3nsGfVEhm714crp5ifJB2UvWp1CmCQlI4+tM15aPFXYC GdtKoKkH5ebd/qN8DsH22/MG7IRyd42Qqk/ayWOJOV5Dn8mg2A5OObwoN0XlK6BK2GBr /4c1jAFAugmKWmHfj/St7pIGoUqs1eyDSZZLyHUxIpKeah1CiAs2Y59UKa3eKlOEVUA/ dtKG6XA2b/aqLPQ6cRvtDwSkXEU9FbZyJZ1UTaTBH29sdNBq6KCBJUaoCzDtQvHiiHqM e3UQ== si2mr3055809lac.32.1377546904810; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.161.111 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.161.111 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:55:04 -0400 From: Will Daehler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 63 TR4 Powder Blue Paint Color Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have any definitive information about paint color codes for Powder Blue in our modern era? I would love to here from you. Will Daehler ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 15:43:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC77403F7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD79403D3 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 94EE570121DC7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dle002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.133]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2E057E000088 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:43:37 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D070BC1BE453BF-178C-14B36@webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:43:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:43:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377553417; bh=ovNia+QmmFZqHnRqVlHPs4w5ZwPpDCc6Y1ZMqAPa6Ig=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kVjmEyXH2n4hshMt8lP4UCyywXlI/Gfi5auISQS2L0KSOU2uwN5dYp1e7WTxKpaFw lHTVYk+H24NZVmcze82bur8/eMRd1bPHN9YUuM9Bua/tr/x+7NFYuYJZxJLKH61T9n 6fRSSe2UjI62sV9B57BN5vQhjJpuqutUtjMKZ0FY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c521bcc097d56 Subject: [TR] Fwd: External Oiler to Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just rebuilt a 1973 Spitfire 1500 engine that had spun a rod bearing (#3, of course). An external oiler line had been connected to the cylinder head. Since the bottom end apparently had too little oil supply (I know about 1500 cranks), the external line is suspect, in my mind. I don't want to reinstall it on the fresh engine, thinking I'd rather have the oil going where it will do the most good: the crankshaft. Rockers are easy to replace by comparison. Without getting into a big controversy, would the group agree? George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 16:00:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9CE403F6 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD814403D3 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:00:36 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=KfYLXsKEmnsA:10 a=HN7Sp31_x6wA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=DMCXebPlrWcA:10 a=C7V5Fql6j-DwTsK1SecA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:55445] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E1/C1-02184-300DB125; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:00:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:00:37 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: George Haynes References: <8D070BC1BE453BF-178C-14B36@webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com> <8D070BC73CA1E8C-178C-14B92@webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: External Oiler to Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net George, I have never been a fan of this setup. If there is not enough oil flowing up to the rockers then maybe it is time to rebuild the engine. I have heard stories that this setup can lead to excessive oil consumption. All 3 of my Triumph engines have been rebuilt within the last 5 years and I have no problem with oil flow to the rockers. Once you start up your fresh Spit engine, you should get plenty of oil for the rockers. If not then something is wrong. Band aids are good for small cuts and are temporary in application. Bob On 08/26/2013 05:43 PM, George Haynes wrote: > I just rebuilt a 1973 Spitfire 1500 engine that had spun a rod bearing (#3, of > course). An external oiler line had been connected to the cylinder head. > Since the bottom end apparently had too little oil supply (I know about 1500 > cranks), the external line is suspect, in my mind. > > > I don't want to reinstall it on the fresh engine, thinking I'd rather have the > oil going where it will do the most good: the crankshaft. > Rockers are easy to replace by comparison. > > > Without getting into a big controversy, would the group agree? > > > George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 23:10:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4830F4044D for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DBC4009A for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 05:10:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 05:10:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 05:10:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377580218; bh=zWunZkTzmD4J7wrQhlhtsTBvpARFXdpceLViLcBxAFo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Oob0iEq7jIW1nAFMWc2S5/tYAXl35Rin/OZst5ZXvoUUHj1BfahjQDxQHbwA+zFodqhI9u9wmN4FeD364dMb/dkIOf0f0s0VQkpjOTZU1MAACHiG5Il0WQBNf9j+rAP59D0FP5VfHpwN4NCSYRT0ncxDamebe/mNrQowYFNTm1s= VA4XoAGegut1bkrrwPzCMI.NaLXT0HILORM6k5VIxIO1mvWZtLKegNcrqzOt rkAa6OPwQ23Kxzn3KtXrZxJLfk7Gt5UmREBphnO9HAJVgw4WGoYqiY3unJPP rGJaJuHu_ozTmkh6RsaMigXK2lcKbmYlTaeZkazHAA7KvhtVSprPcnqkJXIi XvGml21AzQBZr1Eoc7vg3jZIsD1J.RhACHuwAb4asWUZbIzijM5dFVy8Ganp O42dJNb5kblP_7L8SJ7LI2O.38WpAxIlkGK8Ix5FFp7r9TfzxhpNmw4YHfzB UmB._UHkLv9saLcJcCjAdJBEcViLvMn_PeFz33oQaesVmLz.x_fgOlcNx3Fz KHvsHj8y5Dugx23kI2ujzGfxRLa9rKuwYeNieqbJOoQVLkAcjE93PB7gO4WQ 3XwnfwSPKIIv2bCnOqjQg_8NGLO5y7tQVnt.bsZZN_kzESFgYHBpt78WHp27 eUoBQUvL7gMQnOa0MIIbiApFHFLfzNSFS.rn8bnCBbpy34P.9iE.SbfU4dTP 8mLljVXupKMqxgM_kVp2YzxucI_rHxswwC27EyT_MUSP5j3duyRNJZheoqHc o31BKR_yA87L4B8I9WW7Z.0VgqATA6DWJIu8ImCZov07MyVsdt07qdHAXJfv e7Y5iN6En9rLqf2bqw7Cr8TcG2XGPRE.pq3phpNfIwyAAfFCgwHIGhVtEmbH E7qezBgM8_1p8jwQ5kTsV9JmcBKgkCHEr4W8V.Tz3J3e4JfaYXr4_GoGCgbv GQ0dRTxcVmDrrNLmtxBouLSzUdAl038T8OSlBQgVyz_sG2TwBDN_K smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 05:10:18 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Will Daehler'" , References: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 00:10:20 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6ilkb7H01xPdjWQ2aQp8QXTN1hkQASQ8BQ Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR4 Powder Blue Paint Color Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will, >From an early Powder Blue TR4 owner in our club: "Powder blue was only used on early 4s up to ct20916 in march of 63 as well as spa white, a cream and early British racing green." The Codes I found were: ICI-8013 or PPG-12163 Used on TR3A from 1958, TR4 thtough 1963 and Spitfire4 Through 1963. Here are the two sites that I used: http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphcolors/index.html#colors http://www.trregisterfrance.com/meca/paint.htm Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Will Daehler Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 63 TR4 Powder Blue Paint Color Does anyone have any definitive information about paint color codes for Powder Blue in our modern era? I would love to here from you. Will Daehler ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 01:30:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2391840444 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BB840435 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 07:29:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.112] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 07:29:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 07:29:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377588592; bh=QVg+5un1WFLqXR4tkh6p0vjE3JpejJ8YHcMk63dckkY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=jsuqfQF7LCnQG4RoMQj1f+67u8LMsJf9sMBvPqfnWQSCEFd1ZsePdo8NH0GKgIhxqCfCbZDwVsDVHTbWPuPmtH43XA5swm7NrzyYtmMyBQ9T8+DBLm8cjOpv9yBSKUGxmVEr1W+iSzjfmZf5YD5XbTAnh+Ff5BTeZL7IRTOaUZk= YFUguYpxa4L9pafnRXONIS__.tFPBRD.PnE6gdO6uY0WIPf2SB4fKgKESLIy ishMiDOxjggiZEOaXuTyEEhXrkMa6DbajEvq2OGa9sZ6pLVqug9Nm0wSE2PZ .1x45ACYR_3N38iyOvdEhfmPbnwU2wskAYwnzYr4mA2fHPbhakTOF15q.qDu BSJmo66w2p3fVuXeYAgTVDt01.WE8jUi_EiD_x10RobaNkL029ubmWGRszAO uV_uwRVMNccUmy.lXOkN45GK41rz6_X4MuI_CJ8T.Epftp1ux2WTlFV.Gx.y rZV.xek9ErBrHKPO8eCZDemIddv6sjitkspdAU6evVXK2eSiINHBSrSmFWMO l..nlgfuHag.1iG0NhQ.TU0f65SvmAv0hT6wZGacD_KWkW.bTMY_htJCv9bA j9F1CmeUwFQRP.GmzFxxU_vVMpSZCvYoNYj1d39Z2kmhv0RU2pHmej40F4Sf aUmXphJQergRlwS_j9fY24qY7qW1rBeufjhCT_8K7msQxqeNSuFsv42i9g90 - by smtp221.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 07:29:52 +0000 UTC From: John Summers Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:29:48 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] 1974 Brake calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I guess my subject line ask's the question. My right front caliper is broken; so says my mechanic. AND he can't seem to find a new one. Says they are "on national back order". Come on Triumph owners, let's show him the error of his ways. Know where I can lay my hands on one? Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 06:31:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027904056A for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9BB4040F for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:30:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B5FD970035467 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8E03CE000081 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:30:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:30:55 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377606655; bh=yU544fNu8NKrLih+MiRqcSR/j+77BZNwh68y5+vfYW4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DI/QaM27QnXrldBjr0U28ibHFX+qjCXPtlaZKC0RaARwIHHB9WfHYZ7Xm++CtNBKQ Hq6r1o/KafDYf3+5M3X1k1EOo0wy1Bd1ZnYeTtSMsUsG3IghVmrmR1o1y29boGa5yZ t6AlrIDe0mPatfbTG0wtsdAMXOF5am7WV/uT+9mo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908521c9bff08a4 Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 Brake calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What car? Have you considered getting a used one and having it professionally refurbished? In a message dated 8/27/2013 2:29:59 AM Central Daylight Time, rivers2hills@yahoo.com writes: > I guess my subject line ask's the question. My right front > caliper is broken; so says my mechanic. AND he can't > seem to find a new one. Says they are "on national back order". Come on > Triumph owners, let's show him the > error of his ways. Know where I can lay my hands on one? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 06:36:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239AD4069E for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AE14040F for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3D1B870000081 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.13]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 152F5E000082 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377606949; bh=wdaRCts7P5qBBzXaiQZ3VRd1+gusnc3vacuQcXRp4yY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U6v86cMagdKFU+Hn9JWxuoTrgqIiZRWKmf60eocyFR5Ycwk9KjeKuAamjIR2caNA7 OXKyfuJ+qVzDCYZnRjjcdewCiYYhrLlHyEYLJQXswyst7EPOUlTuuLBXV/jQsFXYMt U6QaBDCgZ/Q+CkOImmhOAT0TJLNRPXlGPmU+DZak= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9521c9d257d16 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: External Oiler to Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think the general consensus on this list is that these oilers are a solution in search of a problem. Unless you have a blockage in the regular oil passage you don't need it and the associated problems. Dave In a message dated 8/26/2013 4:43:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ghaynestr4@aol.com writes: > I just rebuilt a 1973 Spitfire 1500 engine that had spun a rod bearing > (#3, of > course). An external oiler line had been connected to the cylinder head. > Since the bottom end apparently had too little oil supply (I know about > 1500 > cranks), the external line is suspect, in my mind. > > > I don't want to reinstall it on the fresh engine, thinking I'd rather have > the > oil going where it will do the most good: the crankshaft. > Rockers are easy to replace by comparison. > > > Without getting into a big controversy, would the group agree? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 08:49:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B0340687 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E45403E9 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Hqot1m00H2QmmGk01qouE8; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:48:54 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:44:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 Brake calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know of at least one place that will rebuild them. contact me if you need that info. their shipping is quite reasonable. unless its physically broken up In a message dated 8/27/2013 2:29:59 AM Central Daylight Time, rivers2hills@yahoo.com writes: > I guess my subject line ask's the question. My right front > caliper is broken; so says my mechanic. AND he can't > seem to find a new one. Says they are "on national back order". Come on > Triumph owners, let's show him the > error of his ways. Know where I can lay my hands on one? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 09:36:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5146E40690 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0224F40401 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 15:36:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.253] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 15:36:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 15:36:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 34959 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2013 15:36:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377617769; bh=AJiljyYxl5ugDc8QKZ7WnmR85g1Pd3/TnKTbsu/+3Ow=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jljF/rq8M3jOS5e7xWqWjFwz01PVO+saV7Ui8fu/4U0W+0BWO3WE8UmLmc9SdVMgP226VVpzKtVwqJf+IKsSYJvgxlpqlYaQX2NrkWULpluRZDDfUeAWBt9URmrm1u0YgG7H4VORjHPkCPutY4mXONKxTEEpEgFZzX1lDsxsf1w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lnb3zBXgp3HZ9jcbymxd4bPaJEusdmg8nwz1K2QGh7YTszbyQ0QqFGSo3FdLxA8FZ/xntsbG8HPToa/MeqlIiA1y4VsvCaE5/9xWZytfcjumqFU10Rq/wTeU+SHLanKQqpBB+hEZPGXylsa283DrUOpo9iKO2Iw4V2LFBy1EBhQ=; gMDRBOakWCcZOk6HDnBW5Y0It4gSMgdSsRkY8x.PGxjI.PJEvbCme5R9xsxI KVkmvYselA.CN09HBfxrZ2qjGUzcLGpAC8YmNY_uT5wVzjGyn6lAuKCa11AE xwuxUs2vvIu6GetY9tU2ttV3Hz03vpB7uGjz4_c_61RJR5PS4FeKZ_gM5r3e b.pG.sIzvBup_uMPOs_O_G1AMfVwz8ncezmu6FsdeVWfhU2eMx._hbRVvFdS eReU8V6pt2L_eGl0gAvv68eWLXsm2nA669aOTsKhBXuK76v8CGqWeGsHvIze 7RWMGGoJ9d.mTOY2wwMfuhuZ3AY00MUyhm.YOiG698dcEuQAILgkrtCYuVcQ T_8dlajEeyjGUIrcNHwrauKB1A5gfaUJgQWJIE_0VTLeTuH4YP6xs.iYI2F2 lychWPFuQQEvhhT7uAX4TLuI4d9p7lr5VwvNfmCdt9BDxFjkxNCipgRdRZA1 v.knW3RmamyFhEDtDxK.UER0pgtH4TqGE3xhpoYJqnpbfLI8O8Z665vmHATg c0tjf5.U59hLtXkNqtvXgqEhGcsxVoN4d0JccbrFlFQhezSxozSov.PPYp7Q ygg11Byq7DE1GQjgyeSxeSIUzt.8e9VT53iREieGt_t4FlEn2nQ8Jv96ZjkP WCXw.vfjNTFCaENoCDq_BvQ-- Received: from [166.137.156.45] by web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:36:09 PDT T3JlaWxseWF1dG8uY29tIGhhcyB0aGVtIGxpc3RlZCBpbiBzdG9jayBmb3IgJDQ2Ljk5ICsgQ09SRS4uLi4ubGltaXRlZCBsaWZldGltZSB3YXJyYW50eS4KCkNoYWQgaW4gVHVsc2EKClNlbnQgZnJvbSBZYWhvbyEgTWFpbCBvbiBBbmRyb2lkCgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , John Summers Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 Brake calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oreillyauto.com has them listed in stock for $46.99 + CORE.....limited lifetime warranty. 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Mail on Android ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 11:02:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFF240572 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF6B40406 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:01:16 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=Fa1WtVt46moA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=t4gRNNJWqusA:10 a=aPVwsn86ANs7W_sWRZYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=RYPC) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 06/10-02184-B5BDC125; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:01:15 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:01:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6fogInNwniwQxURJS+HTo7t2o21gDo/5Ag Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - transmission tunnel install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > but what about the gear shift? Just the knob come > off or does > the entire lever come out? With care, you can leave the whole thing in place. But it probably makes more sense to at least remove the knob, rather than risk getting it messy. > I have to fish the o/d wiring through the > hole in the side of the tunnel - is there a grommet supposed to be > there? My tunnel is already carpeted (glued on), so this > might be a problem. FWIW, I gave up on using the hole in the side, routed the wires up the face of the firewall and through a grommet up there instead. Not "as original", but more practical IMO. > Anything I'm missing here or what to look out for? Get all the bolts started first, by just a few threads so you have maximum room to line up the next hole. I find a tapered punch to be helpful sometimes (put in one hole to line up the one next to it). At the rear, I use bolts that are longer than original to get it seated then later (maybe) swap them out. I use big flat washers (aka fender washers) ground to a D-shape to spread the load as far as possible. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 13:22:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA624069E for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754C340453 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.236] by nm22.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 19:19:11 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.251] by tm17.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 19:19:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 19:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 98219 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2013 19:19:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377631151; bh=l/pUWHbzdr+aQ/KrjvjEyYPeWFCGUyl5LH1d+tccj4U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eZOuUHPo/K5nlxTyGhj3E6V5Rc/KLGvLW7pedtp++UgQhl2fDApZVJFBh8Eg3JjcMMiFj5O/eNZysYiTR6QmCHkyUUyGE58/2Aza+b2tC7+O2whgm8P4ybPdZXfEX38wAJiUggg31aHRPSRZTZgKnrdLMNGlOI1TsemVLMgUIsA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i4qGSW+2P3qe1CUPH3t79bKxL/45waH8Abga8rmRKmNWiadFROzhXR0v8WFSZFDzeZrNP0PYmZIuQIEukxoL9NafWu6q37YK8kuuJWmVWA55id04u7FsMKH7crQS9qHtBwjdH3Bi/9K++5QBuQBkQT/tRwlHbIssoKF+6sjUuQo=; jIhvOCOb9hVI3lAz8a1M2V6u7mf7Mgm7VJ0oS09GqEhYE58JiwrUFNSWC9f4 2INq5YlNErya2UtEoA_OepiPfX4rVb1OGXK4976_b7JWb2sE9rOJuhMzWZmc _WrYqaaD9cwjCXqKtrjsZR.8prIaK0ATfD139SwdAVFjP8y2uz5IMakzv7f0 KZNDIp1YTjJXpG327r3b_gLRdI9f11fTnq2cZ0JofCOOhvrICtm6_BgdRqxG xRXlw2zPiCOoT2E5pTBlXpdHB3IX31ET8UQCMF_rVl5G0OmzbinYMpDM9xby twSXNrgijWpFyTMIySxZDkQaqdrtMI.wVV3DmM5bN8j3axK3z9FZDxi_1sOj Lk2.buaGv4.l.ALE.ENZ5BM4ROa6YnDE2iLbdylGHYAqm4d7RDABfbZozZvG 5_QJ53ch54dWzy_OLfKFge.f1UYYU.b7Q2Bp1LLw5sbF3tqvULR4y2LaQyvZ C283CY7vh781tMAp5iZ1H0VcG0DeQMZX30u8syy9Zr.R5iP8c6E1.0ZW5sAM c6KLebFyAww.xWdRPJBU- Received: from [94.6.200.167] by web171906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:19:11 BST R2VvcmdlLCBJIHRoaW5rIG9waW5pb24gb24gdGhlc2UgdGhpbmdzIGlzIGRpdmlkZWQgb24gdGhpcyBsaXN0IGJ1dCBpbiBteSBleHBlcmllbmNlIGluIHRoZSBtYWpvcml0eSBvZiBjYXNlcywgdGhlICd1bmtub3dpbmcnIGZpdCB0aGlzIGV4dGVybmFsIGZlZWQgYmVjYXVzZSB0aGV5IHdhbnQgdG8gZW5zdXJlIGFuIGFkZXF1YXRlIHN1cHBseSBvZiBsdWJlIHRvIHRoZSByb2NrZXJzLiBXaGF0IG1hbnkgbmV2ZXIgZG8gaXMgdHJ5IHRvIHdvcmsgb3V0IHdoeSB0aGUgb2lsIGlzbid0IGdldHRpbmcgd2hlcmUBMAEBAQE- References: <8D070BC1BE453BF-178C-14B36@webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com> <8D070BC73CA1E8C-178C-14B92@webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:19:11 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: George Haynes , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: External Oiler to Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net George, I think opinion on these things is divided on this list but in my experience in the majority of cases, the 'unknowing' fit this external feed because they want to ensure an adequate supply of lube to the rockers. What many never do is try to work out why the oil isn't getting where it should. For normal road use and assuming your camshaft isn't worn into oblivion (and therefore not pumping oil up to where it's needed) the most likely reason for a restricted supply is dirt in the rocker shaft, dirt in the drillings of the rocker pedestals and dirt in the outlets on the shaft to the rockers themselves. David Ealey who designed the 4 and 6 cylinder engines adamantly maintained an external feed was a waste of time and money as all the rockers need (for normal road use) is a steady trickle. You'll find an hour or two of stripping the rockers from the shaft, some de-greasing fluid and a thin rod of welding wire as a sort of 'push' or 'pull' through and some compressed air is all you need to ensure a satisfactory flow. If you do this, then run the engine on idle for five minutes or so with the valve cover off and watch oil being flicked on to panelwork and around the engine itself, you'll be assured the system is working as designed. John From: George Haynes >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 22:43 >Subject: [TR] Fwd: External Oiler to Head > > >I just rebuilt a 1973 Spitfire 1500 engine that had spun a rod bearing (#3, of >course). An external oiler line had been connected to the cylinder head. >Since the bottom end apparently had too little oil supply (I know about 1500 >cranks), the external line is suspect, in my mind. > > >I don't want to reinstall it on the fresh engine, thinking I'd rather have the >oil going where it will do the most good: the crankshaft. >Rockers are easy to replace by comparison. > > >Without getting into a big controversy, would the group agree? > > >George Haynes > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 15:38:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7A1406AD for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493CD40522 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u10so3995505lbi.14 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MdW42IdZmr53BLMWxf93AN1CWXehxGruWt6RRdiwUl8=; b=z1pYogoRWQLR26hxPTAg9YcrHGqYLzrWPsiB7MkivjLDTocIXOT0El3EQKwwkuHaqF 54ECSpn9mREpYeqGIqrcH5hYGcSMPXMvpDsNBuJcdI9yHIn8VZ3SDeQqxHRYjrPtWcDv 7202AIcZYAgG1IhrNc6a98k+jPl2Kcyqya+expEfoU+w76z46aejgc+ygN5lGbomkTyw GO+WsclCZWpJuinRcEmtrZY9Gel2SON2+VDgNNGgXMmr8jZ1ntm431ZCDtaR/57YT3dP KElmSy19dD5gnIgu6lOawWQkHMYWsJyY3eZvinPt0sB3768DQPQ0n1k8W98V+YhVIYUx 8evA== l6mr19267738lbo.5.1377639445323; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <5216BC53.4080402@execulink.com> <06.10.02184.B5BDC125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:37:25 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - transmission tunnel install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 on the d shaped washers On Aug 27, 2013 1:03 PM, "Randall" wrote: > > but what about the gear shift? Just the knob come > > off or does > > the entire lever come out? > > With care, you can leave the whole thing in place. But it probably makes > more sense to at least remove the knob, rather than risk getting it messy. > > > I have to fish the o/d wiring through the > > hole in the side of the tunnel - is there a grommet supposed to be > > there? My tunnel is already carpeted (glued on), so this > > might be a problem. > > FWIW, I gave up on using the hole in the side, routed the wires up the face > of the firewall and through a grommet up there instead. Not "as original", > but more practical IMO. > > > Anything I'm missing here or what to look out for? > > Get all the bolts started first, by just a few threads so you have maximum > room to line up the next hole. I find a tapered punch to be helpful > sometimes (put in one hole to line up the one next to it). At the rear, I > use bolts that are longer than original to get it seated then later (maybe) > swap them out. I use big flat washers (aka fender washers) ground to a > D-shape to spread the load as far as possible. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 17:44:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFB740E16 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4AC40E30 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r12so3253243lbi.29 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:43:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bEVwuauJqoxgEHR8HotjoBrWC5DXnp01OvHJ9EwFNeU=; b=u+kIN0/aaJJ8k1xXY6hGHTPKTctlvBr18o4dS59O6Mhb04QApadViZiq/fiffxZ0oo WjI16/CWSIojrdVZAVeoS8tCIPHiIWDxAxJxQ4JVHuKloPL2RTfjBx3HSuI1hz1VCC/n tGLaK4RG4xNz/5R6nhKVmXgT0APMNSO/f8qUmsphT/2PWzXax33+qWwaCR1ChicEZVho TXZobNrrZB2kXYDwcDkKoDG22kmll2kxJaFJDtiBmGidz8QgmjozJlF/1rTxHK145MpD FTSkKtit5OR0Yn6ig2krG18jlbU51NVsIroczRf5WCrMGsCBLCHrF0aNbK4mfTHkU1ra hU0w== bc9mr19598013lbc.21.1377647017810; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.64.227 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:43:37 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR4 and the Webers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The vintage Webers are acting up. Now the problem is cutting out at "high" speed, like 60-65. This has not happened before. Following a suggestion, I choked the carbs just a touch while at the high RPMs and that seemed to help. Could be the coil, I suppose, but that is fairly new. The only change in the system has been to add an electric fuel pump. Could the pump be pushing at insufficient pressure at high RPMS? The mixture screws have been adjusted according to the book, and opening them up did not help. I cruise around town at low speeds without a problem. Any and all ideas are welcome. Many thanks John Howard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 19:43:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8CE4041A for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59A5403F6 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id lj1so5600947pab.29 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:41:14 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0jBVY3Jx8iFiwObzU+ju2ih0slkh3+AYERfpWjwKkvo=; b=r5IktyM7YyQRsiyHeh2fEi8TXOFAJLMv05KBldy4HMDmKNoG4p6rNzCEECQOdK0Pz9 iGkDvoepNpQ2DK7YYrC3wsXPdDVpmO1eStPb3oyHedLd990qWXoW3mxIMI747OwkXwvb Z3xnFrVhfbA8BVwaj0+zVLeRqgtgy+S+hrAE7puvIpfnphmKE1anzQhcA805DGlHKVbj arfej7rzPuPn/GyTihtAy64UeIKLYnRwnKgzlSzqlrvOvND5zebjq/VRLv2A/fQKBw4q IRDdTLiQzlpKwPwLgldCXw7b5yuU7VR5lxKxYsMjwQlpXp06uw0MXVy9QGjryufqGpkf gRTA== wu3mr330998pab.181.1377654074712; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (moab-cable-74-214-231-137.dynamic.etv.net. [74.214.231.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hx1sm27609757pbb.35.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:41:13 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] color coding of wires used in Triumphs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.tr3a.info/Lucaswirecodes.htm TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 22:58:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84184043D for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8C4403FC for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JUgq1m0040EPchoADUxs61; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:57:52 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JUxs1m0072yr1eL8MUxsDz; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:57:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:57:52 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1377752272; bh=DJ0Fvlt7wBPrvv0lKNGJVYDHh0i1bBUTsD3iDum4paY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XveTYPubHbqCDxmc3dmquJrqBLCJmgE7hZT8jKJrYRIUMPCs85ekwIHN7ejxqIDSz AwOSgd5aH6h5nI9YBveVKl7JaIL9wgfR0vwh5EJTsYg+05T+endvtL15AwOwbqJINb lF080iZXUGk0UcEzNW8zs2YWuYDsyJaAy67w1+Wb5U7CaLa8pZvpE3xOdBn6ksWToN tDvO758CwSAiYhrN2eyZdwzx1pfKMBlGYkVvwJFkEPBQ/ikqTPCjtMW1baeSs/ILFk 7k5xNSPtV1R/M3HLKOH/UxW1wz0aEcFfLppn+3ymkoF/uUojtC1MDpMRkFqZmzCUlH Df8dGkpQobszA== Subject: Re: [TR] Trip to TRF Summer Party and Lotus Owners Gathering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Some pix on the LOONY site. Some autocross pix http://www.lotusowners.com/2013Meetings/LOG33/Set11/pages/P1000317_jpg.htm http://www.lotusowners.com/2013Meetings/LOG33/Set11/pages/P1000334_jpg.htm Got in a plug for TRF whilst showing off my trophies. The young chap is Brian Vaccaro, the co- Meet Head. http://www.lotusowners.com/2013Meetings/LOG33/Set11/pages/P1000356_jpg.htm Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 08:01:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D4B40432 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79475403F8 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY173-W34 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:59:27 -0700 From: Daniel Shockey To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:59:27 +0000 FILETIME=[F9B8CDF0:01CEA4BF] Subject: [TR] Spitfire for Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am forced to offer my 1980 Spitfire for sale. It is located near Peoria, Illinois. It has beautiful red paint, new vinyl seat covers, a new top, new cocoa mats, new rear air shocks, plus a tonneau and overdrive transmission. No rust. Runs very well. It is a really nice car. I hate to let it go. I have manuals, spare parts and history. See the listing at: http://peoria.craigslist.org/cto/4030719108.html Thank you, Dan Shockey ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 12:35:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D1B40450 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 50A454043D for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:34:55 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1377801293; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=lqmXUHXFUTbLUrwLDW0A/Gr3eSY1auxMS9U51dXaB/GLrqWrqARr8xSLjVLrJqXMT 8gswcSK7Mmqs271/PGoGkVVYyBkhb6YTxkOZR704RpCFT+zioTCHN/lQb5tXIjxYEf QWq88syT4kNvT0/7NUyStRA1rNE3iAL/CDo6+1WA= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail13.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.153]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKB9FA9ABNZMY2 for (sender ); Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail13.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:33:11 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:33:11 GMT Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire for Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Beautiful Spit Dan.Sorry you have to sell. Good Luck! Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Daniel Shockey I am forced to offer my 1980 Spitfire for sale. See the listing at: http://peoria.craigslist.org/cto/4030719108.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 13:25:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AC04051F for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F5A403A7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2DB1970035484 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.65]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 050ABE000089 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com (64.12.159.3) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:24:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:24:38 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377804279; bh=LY1lznd7cSumWT52kZwkMMjOHlGxkldOYucySeesd44=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XjXrKNnooY5QT5QyLd32Jyov2o/heHXW1nuRh1/4JePXuBRLQOZJAnUF6zTa2rj6d qGjvsN/HyT3/HR+1kXwpijBd16JIANyB1wnbChGiBMf7zEv+dpVSQqux8QOeTyOqW/ WDmeHTrx4jvM7NthcmmNRhqjvpw+ZX0bru+PfsBc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909521f9ff76087 Subject: [TR] External Oil Line Post Script Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To all who aided in my decision to remove the external oil line from the Spitfire engine I rebuilt: Now that it's running again, I can peek under the oil filler cap and see that there is plenty of oil reaching the rockers. Thanks for your collective - and unanimous - advice! George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 13:50:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2B440540 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EA04003B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 19:50:13 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.204] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 19:50:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1091.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 19:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 65864 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2013 19:50:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377805813; bh=PKb2jbnMbOTyNlq91RiXQo9tHyOQpGNXJun3liLPbrs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RqKmoyrUSnXVQBAIT1mZ7CgPV4IVd0LpyRKmWbZebJNxWDM0814HGteIRtA5kH48U6q0EwS7mRR2MLuH0iL9LsES6srSJ4kchwgWXuYig9OLJRq1s9v6+8us3iKTEeTRoFwI/UdrzGrVbr02Z9KbRoEeHBBthvbzMXWXR9OlzMw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yGHKWnxG88YlU3Wh1FDzd7iZZugelWt0bQctvCeEV9ycgu6M0J5pzktYlhlQ6Bv+Y58JMdL6Rp33EtOlQOGqy9WROeuzXp2PT13WMoQjmCmQ+TjCKvQ+bdvp+GNdTAyAUoEXjjaY5Hn6k9P4DpU6TPXsnyL1u5TU2SjWIcKe9vY=; s0UhVd_xMUA3fKvL0PO4UgFUMEgBTz74hzyFA2QZgi_wPeJhhEeO2FPFv0Pt mIlL_aaNOD2qzRfTGIJGxW95ladC4esFywCTxTt5ZjBs13UGEGAi2srT_vA. hKr49rL6bB3AQrEbBi35nTx2Y63Ic4FXzIkAB256ur0Ukmn012kqdM_E8TzO U21.hZquJmpN9HjwSCtEvVVghjFV1vrOVifk455rd6qGSqUZUTGzRcgVju.. urNidNK47ubaxvMSL0o2tRt_UlXoHDyWZjz4p9K5YYmPFG8JBeNWxrHVRkHZ tKPYJpSYXY18JVzWD6y1lWtWidKXJ8D.odwxOtnS5uLVfuqBy633zi3sI5P7 1OM9ZwI5jpPDRgO5NDP.jB6rEThtnG1VdtMfBgQhOf2gEYcYQjspbStMsfeA CTS4af03v7_3euTZcAuUQZiZa05ENsU1kfzn3GdW0s9OvMnMQ35s9gWWmcNp Ml6H2l1AeN0DNaifmJ7gVVON5.06bKgfqICU9re3rzwOKn4JA4RnrMaYX4ke DmCqS497Ulvxp2iM2D30BSWeeLcjxrom73ULVqgYH3VMnIfgNFsj4PjJ9mWz BXjJ7CleXR32BrV_XmQzwPfF5A7F8VydWyev48oFF10t7oVugZuMtFNT0sR9 0zMIzjyzeEU0.59nEQEeHqvRSEfo91fL4nATiCXuJEjfJkJEFOL1XZ1u.XnM 3qpj8ig-- Received: from [50.78.67.10] by web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:50:13 PDT T3ZlciBhIHBlcmlvZCBvZiB0aW1lLCB3aGVuIGNhciBvd25lciBsb3N0IHRoZWlyIGtleXMgb3IgbmV3IG93bmVyIHB1cmNoYXNlCm9mIGEgdXNlZCBjYXIgd2l0aG91dCBrZXlzLCByZWZlciB0aGVtIHRvIHRoZSBCSE1DLiBUaGUgY29zdCBmb3IgdGhlIGNhciBidWlsZCAKCnJlY29yZCB3YXMgMjUgcG91bmRzIG9yIHNvLiBJIG1hZGUgYSBzdWdnZXN0aW9uIHRvIG9mZmVyIGEgc2VydmljZSBmb3IKY2FyIG93bmVycyB0byBnZXQganVzdCB0aGUgY2FyIGtleSBjb2RlIG51bWJlcnMuCiAKSSB3aGF0IHRvIHMBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Groh To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Source for British key code information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Over a period of time, when car owner lost their keys or new owner purchase of a used car without keys, refer them to the BHMC. The cost for the car build record was 25 pounds or so. I made a suggestion to offer a service for car owners to get just the car key code numbers. I what to share with you the information below. Very quick service from BHMC. Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:56 PM Subject: RE: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code number - Suggestion Pete - Looks like the heritage guys are pretty quick! Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 Subject: Web Enquiry Service Thank you for your enquiry. The recorded key numbers for MGB, chassis number G-HN5-UF/370094-G are FS.878, FT.216 and 2159. Regards Richard Bacchus Certificate Officer British Motor Industry Heritage Trust Heritage Motor Centre Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: Re: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code number - Suggestion Jim Pete here. See data below and my suggestion. Car build record You need to contact the British Heritage Motor Centre in the UK by e-mail. Look at the price list. Ask for the car key code numbers (cost 6 pounds). Provide your car data, year, make, model and Vin number data. B Base on this information, can cut you a key to on American key blanks. http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/store/heritage-certificates-and-archiv e-services/archive-research-services.html Archive Research Service B#6.00 Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:39 AM Subject:1975 MG keys Pete I seem to have lost my keys for my 75 MGB. Unfortunately, whether code is work off the face of the ignition, or was never there, I canbt seem to see any numbers. When I get a inquiry, not sure how the person found me as a source for keys. In this case, Jim from Canada contact me. I do appreciate the referrals. Kind regards Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 14:22:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53D64053F for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7D17403A7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 20:22:19 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.71] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 20:22:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 20:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 69757 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2013 20:22:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377807739; bh=hc2SIjJhqm0H5fpHO0y6/PtjAG8esF8FRQFpTLsnn20=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m+6Ju/004ULvJCkhcbEiPjORLGYwRDP7A/OFhdGE753Voi5NRZfDTuiEcd+1JEoD5XinjMyUlRIAeVcgdD5ylq66pBRlhlLNCVAagc+wXamfMnUQ08Lhj0sdWCTA5LWGuu75Ne3Mrsg7JsD9LwbxA9FpNWQWBvEgn4KdhxzJh34= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ESDBL3lKn2V9aky2/nBJ1ky4pvOjt1tiAHiq/Am1DowabyrSugLPM5+++jYOKNVkObl0dfM7jEDYigEld6M0RnAxyqHusFcAxuB7R8g0XduYFiGDQOKFDpRKUruakeiqg8PkRT8hj+cYLz4fc/DCgKdh56SbraYhwEuywv9ToXY=; ucyAST41ceHyBk.7yyLZ5KOGWrriwtQTN1ZJGvU5aHM7uSAQ4D_WdDIkSq19 MWK3QsyElLMamM7B.iocdBF4CwZx_bM.0WPkQDfbyPReOO2DvYgUnrZ4HkzI uLA9MqSZ_AktThX9sg8fYS5Ctt66IYWnzlFEUshDxGexUApoSVVt_MZeQVsE I4a2AIDx5fiAu2udZDjr6kL9wCzSlzO6M3BPlP7P5agS6EmKtr5RDrigp0t8 _qb7YCplLrugRo7StUl4423lFTgnL131UekY7dZMEVrwI1ixegXhn7pnR3Lr u63qjGmek7J_BvQzQlmVt2inyfXO5rmnoF1FjGoQq9iD6c1ELpURdmErW5jc eSFhMSvFVsq0AP8mSqIEyyIku9JVA7BQX8.zDI1w0NW2k91CdJ4P_u4d9PKg D5m9tEOT0YiMkWKEVpwaaPDFiRk5z24xt7SKpUeID3_2fVhWJ3u32R4e8kzI nJBElRgFA8ygtt7IIHdkPjg7IVWLFAtAMqssj.9hYnhWZyc2CcnWmHcsi3LO TZo5xh5oeBEFiWgsZ5OrAPL9FOEXzitCWZdLqsyTErYI8QtZnnvrzzkQbO3M ncerH3CIdcmFum3Xx5PvC7ZAh17DY82Ei5FvPyZRq5ozxXSB9EBwqYK_ztaJ _f2NodkhiRg-- Received: from [2.121.238.248] by web171903.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:22:18 BST QSB2ZXJ5IGdvb2QgYmxva2UsIG15IGZyaWVuZCBSaWNoYXJkLiBHbGFkIGhlIGhlbHBlZCBvdXQgYnV0IGhlJ3MgdGhhdCBraW5kIG9mIGd1eQoKCkpvbm1hYwoKRnJvbTogUGV0ZSBHcm9oIDxwZXRlX2dyb2hAeWFob28uY29tPgo.VG86ICJ0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKPlNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCAyOSBBdWd1c3QgMjAxMywgMjA6NTAKPlN1YmplY3Q6IFtUUl0gU291cmNlIGZvciBCcml0aXNoIGtleSBjb2RlIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uCj4KPgo.T3YBMAEBAQE- References: <1377805813.65196.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:22:18 +0100 (BST) From: John Macartney To: Pete Groh , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Source for British key code information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A very good bloke, my friend Richard. Glad he helped out but he's that kind of guy Jonmac From: Pete Groh >To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" >Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013, 20:50 >Subject: [TR] Source for British key code information > > >Over a period of time, when car owner lost their keys or new owner purchase >of >a used car without keys, refer them to the BHMC. The cost for the car build >record was 25 pounds or so. I made a suggestion to offer a service for >car >owners to get just the car key code numbers. > >I what to share with you the >information below. Very quick service from BHMC. > >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, >2013 2:56 PM >Subject: RE: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code number - >Suggestion >Pete - Looks like the heritage guys are pretty quick! >Date: >Tuesday, August 27, 2013 >Subject: Web Enquiry Service >Thank you for your >enquiry. The recorded key numbers for MGB, chassis number G-HN5-UF/370094-G >are FS.878, FT.216 and 2159. > > >Regards >Richard > Bacchus >Certificate Officer >British Motor Industry Heritage > Trust >Heritage Motor Centre > >Sent: Monday, >August 26, 2013 11:30 AM >Subject: Re: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code >number - Suggestion >Jim Pete here. See data below and my suggestion. > > >Car >build record >You need to contact the British Heritage Motor Centre in the UK >by e-mail. Look at the price list. Ask for the car key code numbers (cost 6 >pounds). Provide your car data, year, make, model and Vin number data. >B Base on this information, can cut you a key to on American key blanks. >http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/store/heritage-certificates-and-archiv >e-services/archive-research-services.html >Archive Research Service B#6.00 >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:39 AM >Subject:1975 MG keys > > >Pete >I seem >to have lost my keys for my 75 MGB. Unfortunately, whether code is work off >the face of the ignition, or was never there, I canbt seem to see any >numbers. > >When I get a inquiry, not sure how the person found me as a source >for keys. In this case, Jim from Canada contact me. >I do appreciate the >referrals. > >Kind regards > >Pete Groh (KeyGuy) >Ellicott City MD USA > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 14:51:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00EF40452 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640F6403A7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 20:46:55 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.250] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 20:46:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 20:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 27202 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2013 20:46:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377809215; bh=4SHXEgYIWeCwWHVhFDpVwXGwIAo1LlVRcMdpzi4/hCg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mJPDuwGmh59VJZFGyP9Ztg2aYZHTdJaazMrMtsq4ot7wYkuCnM2RIHILdxucJqMI+FQsMMZ7AwIfLvqF9dSFHCy0fOwmj0B5LAfzFWjhNsJjOwoX7/LS8Ok3poYh1zOlC4DSFbCimzuLWv2hSpzpqx6Ae+yiX1dOGG0cVg9fojQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MO+d+w+C671Z/5MwzZB9sOKwk9ugRK1ZRKXayIUmQ3whOxKow6VEM4/wFPaFAMJRkL2GrWW+BDtjXP8EH3UtJXj4n6oT/vIxyoW+SqleaXXHQ3yqRSy0LQWiAGXZatBfoXmvgaM/48k2Cs9sAXb4bP2WRhDgJuWAla/qCGRE2uY=; GR8LL9sHvdhvt.8njt.IyeNzx5uPTNWFGFtSSUhy1zT7wfalv5ZbEh3Wy8rJ CH5VF8Wok2bPnZDc7BR_1C3yqTbLF77y7.ttVXTc6JPcx5u6g29DDgY7mXAl hNAhBqXlh3INUGTviI3bk1mjmyO_8nFOXf84uQvY2heY7d9bi1D2_4JqjqTF Z_01YQ8s4MXP3aJ7XUWG99v7bpo.VoGaKW6qNpRGh5F8FzK6_3hWT3PeB4Kl Td2plaLDFV7KraDV.2aN0fyDNYlH2BA6HQpid4vBsU.ptpvbIMgtKRh3tAUZ _j8NheopPxgA8LDFcY2jsPk6hu_AX_7cWfTR6wNG6S.pn0ojkiDFcfMJOniB BrGqZc50ncrbp6pMOmLisHjSH8tyKKcFTnlufKgvu7_5R.AahJMH0HakJUMJ 7aINciULTk.6oVRipnmBofUZw1qKeOaWtWTpG1L6_7OQ7m_lE_K5nXo3ADi7 0M.pKkpVgsH7NsqCNe0ZbblGJ.DKkISySU4ywuh7d2QHKUz6cjhF_Exgts7R oGg-- Received: from [69.110.214.99] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:46:55 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBXaGF0IGRvZXMgb25lIHVzZSB0byBmbHVzaCBvdXQgdGhlIGJyYWtlIGh5ZHJhdWxpYyBzeXN0ZW0gd2hlbiBjb252ZXJ0aW5nIG92ZXIgdG8gRG90IDU_IEkgdGhpbmsgdGhhdCB0aGV5IHNheSAibWV0aHlsYXRlZCBzcGlyaXRzIiBvciBzb21ldGhpbmcgbGlrZSB0aGF0LiBXaGF0IGRvZXMgdGhhdCBtZWFuIGluIEFtZXJpY2FuIEVuZ2xpc2g_IERvZXMgbGFjcXVlciB0aGlubmVyIHdvcmsgb3IgZG9lcyB0aGF0IGVhdCB1cCB0aGUgcGxhc3RpYyBwYXJ0cz8gSSBtYXkganVzdCBibG93IGl0IG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Flushing Brake System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What does one use to flush out the brake hydraulic system when converting over to Dot 5? I think that they say "methylated spirits" or something like that. What does that mean in American English? Does lacquer thinner work or does that eat up the plastic parts? I may just blow it out and then flush the Dot 5 through. TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 14:53:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EB040536 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B773403A7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 38F69700DC406 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dnc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dnc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.176.13]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A432DE000081 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:48:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Harrymague@aol.com Full-name: Harrymague Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:48:39 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377809319; bh=6le8YqOiefwjT70B+azEZYin3fgroVnKBSf8i1JMuao=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X+xI4z6/f5lnZpiZhXug+2niwP7ZINmywrFCwcoQSz1qmTEM9M9Ou6tCCzSGGzd62 S0yANW81FD9T7Hyxyfik8g6NlnPgDzVa5nEbaU9AESF46EhpnzE5ZU+nuBmK1+EpoN yMOqeCkybLVnVSgC1LbR5TWkoktCHrQiVblCH3MM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909521fb3a731d7 Subject: [TR] Steering Rack Quick Ratio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a way to "grease" the quick ratio steering rack??? The standard rack you could take off the bolt where the electrical ground and connect it to a grease gun. One a my rubber boots broke and I want to grease the rack, but can't figure out how. Thanks in advance. Harry M 1974 TR6 CF16623 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 15:08:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E98340536 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB0840517 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.132] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 21:07:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 21:07:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 21:07:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 74693 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2013 21:07:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377810477; bh=aV6esy5/rIUKvHLBdVKjCXLV/aood2zJl/hk15mS540=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yWg5yPSHW4X1MtEcFPJkihVARN2GWXupc/tH34vL2pCZXD1DnbDrDck6C1MAf5DxW1jKDGBCOgOovdLHfTLoAMiIrIehjZRvRoqgN+i6h47uQmx0rEkheh17K+i7DQrEDGQ4+U8xyPeNwDapROo4HoF2fVua8ErMJsSQ7V0VQbQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uriICcAKcivVRgAuXKGaZA1MbnXHIFWiDukeMJLtdCRhZyOfCvpdJsoxPax1vBitidrIpuAnylkpqu6sZSjg3UI8PI/A7XvQfygQI6PCN7q8c9FfbUJiN44HRMG21JJ7PCSx1sEO757294mwmqWl/oNjQCJ7FOmJ8nJHHJ6sPLA=; V8xB5Tx_SukL_sRxr1GXReqxvH73fYVFAD7Uq7Fr8ONEwMhYU7M1J4TUoyUY _BHQWjgkhNzj7TsjvXfk5fI7glaonSacrMbnftJWGZ.9ksMaOm61CNLliVll sGaJlJYEZVRlH2QfQiyKoWN8mMtL.9ZgtKKH05NUn34xYhikdDXqR0e23D4r c1XFhyW87h8ZICqRl0YJjV.DCQ4h66eQV2JG5wjxR8wtjKVjfRYNGpwJJ4An AqW5IqTQ8g_B6pPkbLWBrQBR6CWzfyBIV2Hu2GakK.EYca63146r2UTw_58C c6zMW8GunUKQdZ96NDZyoWbYwYqgZF5ik3JSKd2pRD1ITYHpmzFsyD4nK42f 0dy8FOgmD.zqRHm90YOYxGwZ0hHVItq1BqWpSxRZYAL6Br8SFtjzeSBtwfLX bnixD210PlXNjEYPWavHvP00Qcb3LPX6ZF5RNqc9h7RClPx_IV969ZQoZlAu AairJk_Ingo.8LbvDeDZiPMfs_.OFhqOCVgL4uInF7wtB6ylLvT8RpAXjWrw 1BtNVVGcL.X93kf3mFt9RmYNaJ1hEhfH1Ppf8sjUtF8Gms4ycOPr4Il3qyLW FlI0HRXX4ApoUCdCGdpwnfUL9_ghiJl31z867RfPZMt4aRoZyDrDMkfTmEdz 4GQRrrBqow6eGDkzqXGf7VjqDIp33lQ-- Received: from [174.99.59.237] by web121804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:07:57 PDT VW5mb3J0dW5hdGVseSwgSSBkbyBoYXZlIHRvIHNlbGwgb3VyIHByZS1wcm9kdWN0aW9uIGNvdXBlLiDCoFRob3NlIG9mIHlvdSBhdCB0aGUgU291dGggQ2VudHJhbCBCcml0aXNoIENhciBHYXRoZXJpbmcgdGhpcyBBcHJpbCBzYXcgaXQgb24gbGl0ZXJhbGx5IGl0J3MgZmlyc3QgdHdvIGRheXMgYmFjayBvbiB0aGUgcm9hZCwgaW5jbHVkaW5nIGl0J3MgcHJlbWF0dXJlIGV4aXQgZnJvbSB0aGUgYXV0b2Nyb3NzIHdoZW4gdGhlIGZ1ZWwgZ2F1Z2UgZmxvYXQgd2lyZSBicm9rZSBhbmQgc2hvcnRlZCBhY3Jvc3MBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Palmer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR8 Pre-production Coupe for sale (unfortunately) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Unfortunately, I do have to sell our pre-production coupe. Those of you at the South Central British Car Gathering this April saw it on literally it's first two days back on the road, including it's premature exit from the autocross when the fuel gauge float wire broke and shorted across the fuel pump terminals (what are the odds of that!). Things are considerably improved now with a new pump and new sending unit :-). ACN1078 is Inca Yellow/green tartan plaid interior. 5-speed. Webasto sunroof, 29,300 original miles. Car has no rust to speak of. Been painted once, was a pretty decent but not show quality job. Cannot find any signs of ever being in an accident of any sort. Car was sold originally to Bob Tullius/Group 44 (have a memo from JRT to that effect) and was supposedly intended to be a replacement/spare shell for the TR8 race cars...which was not needed as they weren't wrecked. I have heard that it stayed in the Group 44 showroom for 6 years before eventually being sold. 2nd owner put most of the current miles on the car. Car was outfitted with an Offenhauser manifold and an Edelbrock 4bbl as well as some really nice tube headers. I don't have a lot of TR8 experience, but it's considerably quicker than the other two TR8's I've driven and will flat out throw you back in the seat. 2nd owner sold it along with his house and a Jaguar to the guy I bought it from. He liked the Jaguar better and stored the TR8 indoors, only putting 27 miles on the car during his ownership. That makes me technically the fourth owner unless you count JRT. When I purchased the car, it needed a fuel pump, carb rebuild, shifter bushing replacement and some general sorting, which is now all complete. It could use new tires (plenty of tread but they are old--the spare is the original!) and I would certainly replace shocks/struts and a few other little things. Steering rack responded positively to some correct fluid and it steers nicely, although the firewall bushing is non-existant. Radio is original and only works through right speaker...that being said it sounds WAY too nice to listen to the radio...I've driven it ~150 miles in the past week and I'm having to park it because I keep trying to figure out ways to keep it...I have it stored indoors as well. Apart from the manifold/header & carb, the car is incredibly original, down to the dated spark plug wires (I DID replace what I believe may have been the original N9Y Champions when I got the car). Car comes with TRF receipts from Group 44 along with other documentation, including all the original owner's manual and various brochures. $9500 obo. I do need to sell it, unfortunately, so you have the advantage--no trades, either. Jack McGahey drove the car Saturday as a favor to me, so if you want an independent opinion please ask him. It was interesting to compare it to his ACN3 inca yellow pre-production coupe. He agreed that it's VERY quick for a TR8 and must have at least a performance cam to feel the way it does. I have posted pictures in this album. http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/ChumpCarDriver/library/TR8%20For%20Sale) If you are interested, please email me off list at tr6driver@yahoo.com. The car is in Raleigh, North Carolina. Thanks for reading. Jamie Palmer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 15:22:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC4F40545 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54388403B2 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.158] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 21:22:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 21:22:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 21:22:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377811336; bh=keaWmeMXlQ66tHoTmM6L0vh5oU3IFJPfZChdco2jXbk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=zWIzN0ZVx9PvWA/pvyV4sqUQXYgQHTegYhMNNECvT4+4oK9MzPiZKlhrgF5337CFDAOGBUDI+/wRt3zq7UzVkI5yiw62T22rNp+nN/XFj6UzKdI6/cz7eQ3Ez7YwfvkCQR1iZYx/LaNpPkNB1+A0xzBvciExVzuoMYd11riVObE= Cn3l8AWje.i.NQ_1SKRdBgbt.9x.NyEVmvBZvl4FEu_mgH1H19Lzrl8I38Oo gm4h78V5Wg1IV.QO3xRCz3pp1LeNaKZX1C7Zb0hZdWqcCSkhsStvL8QQv7.i vDPnuG1l8KHm4ZxFmEWrHpoc98NdLmN2B4U.1bEzfI1htCvGBC7AyXzpf.rT aifhkvVJFBE56xKgn3iVgkVO1a307ESPtP6IQHDhFoRG04KomiAv1B3CMhUH AB8mdzNPjEGlYvm0EbFK8Tpl2iDJL5z0q6FbcPc3.dplW_d.MSkIn9f8yiwf FCtBaz20cAXds69UUBhzZrioJ5Low.ALMIIcE7bPKS6T3R9fMmCciHFsGQYJ dOgZv1x8kIFQVcN0rMuwbghZ5Y6Q_lfufRBZN63bwI4lr9.dPRxbCCjvdook .BH9yZwjisQrGe27eJtlNpJ3Fpz6EZ8uJHl2ycWLlox3uYULhYqjfaAP0HxO VNC_cmPMaDYypf.uO9SwKzP9EwNmquaeLUqIw6kcWkWOnGtR_qMgDeCkn6k_ E8Ky6.GTvp_0fPgmglXVYS6JChfl82dMtrmVE4yJQTm1kCQWFVDM2iK98Sk8 geSgGbZlrCx61oZxDvWisqVronCE- smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2013 14:22:16 -0700 PDT From: To: "'William Brewer'" , References: <1377809215.21417.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:21:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6k+awCJv5e6z5JSsKRxicWp3i62QAA8JPA Subject: Re: [TR] Flushing Brake System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just blow it out and flush the DOT5 through, no biggie. Be careful blowing the old DOT3, don't let it get on any painted surfaces. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:47 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Flushing Brake System What does one use to flush out the brake hydraulic system when converting over to Dot 5? I think that they say "methylated spirits" or something like that. What does that mean in American English? Does lacquer thinner work or does that eat up the plastic parts? I may just blow it out and then flush the Dot 5 through. TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 15:37:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F2B40452 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1940B403B2 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id h10so733010vbh.20 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:37:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9uvUKaSWIL+D34uG6uklAHIlMejxIQlRf5Jv0EBrjT0=; b=TkCx138PxKfD9dkNK8XKz8LycKkU1EKuhwVrnxCqK64QlStfgfPyprH3ArPrZkYy+O Ki/s514pLRnQqCZl9ZlNiykSlpbKFVBGMw6v0Hd5hoQht3hsDAaA7SxdLzZNJ3YIRHrN LIjHUoRKmL9TKZ3SbWPuyuJKe92Izrt8lDdw7Y152wc9TXPwj7QHPtDqjXz3n06DkpZD wfKrZPfQeRMmMyXhD6vWIz7yLnJ1fWwVASIClsOGat9Rl4SDmxDXu6akoR122K5VOaIK vLo9mOHCw6iuGIm/2ALjmn5+ZejJNedi8y+hVJ1uNttiBWGDO4rjwhjMxtwBVqbLfIUa W1Xg== Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.208 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:37:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <1377809215.21417.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:37:21 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Flushing Brake System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill - I just did a British car and used the same method as I did on my 2 TRs -- sucked as much of the old juice out of the reservoirs as I could, then filled them with DOT5. Let it sit awhile (overnight was what I did) then bled everywhere as usual until the fluid coming out was purple. My TRs got this treatment 12 years ago and have those brakes have never giving me any trouble. Insert the usual disclaimer here -- YMMV, for information only, comments are not the views of the producers or Sony International, professional driver on a closed course - do not attempt, etc. Geo On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:46 PM, William Brewer wrote: > What does one use to flush out the brake hydraulic system when > converting > over to Dot 5? I think that they say "methylated spirits" or something like > that. What does that mean in American English? Does lacquer thinner work or > does that eat up the plastic parts? I may just blow it out and then flush > the > Dot 5 through. > TIA, > > Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 15:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371084053C for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10BB403A7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=GuEKm1KG60IA:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=qQMDZEib1WoR8KAslegA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:51855] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 7B/49-02184-3B2CF125; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:52:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:52:51 +0000 From: Randall To: William Brewer , Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Flushing Brake System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- William Brewer wrote: > What does one use to flush out the brake hydraulic system when converting > over to Dot 5? I think that they say "methylated spirits" or something like > that. What does that mean in American English? Does lacquer thinner work or > does that eat up the plastic parts? I may just blow it out and then flush the > Dot 5 through. Like Geo said, my current preference is to flush it with DOT 5. However, if you insist on using a solvent, my understanding is that methanol (aka methyl alcohol, aka wood alcohol) is safest. That isn't the same (so I'm told) as "methylated spirits" (which are more like our denatured alcohol). My local drug store had methanol, but they keep it behind the counter. It's not a controlled substance, but is kind of poisonous and not something you'd want to use on your skin or in the punch bowl. The pharmacist looked at me funny when I explained why I wanted it, but handed me the bottle. Home Depot probably has it as well, but at the time the drug store was a lot closer to home. (Now the drug store is gone and Home Depot is close by, go figure.) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 16:57:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F7040514 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9382840397 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=GuEKm1KG60IA:10 a=O91-p5W9CGWxeTgESY0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:52706] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id BD/EF-02184-6C1DF125; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:57:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:57:10 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Flushing Brake System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I also just drained some dot 3 into a bleeder bottle that previously only had dot 5 in it last night. Nothing fizzled, smoked, blew up, coagulated or anything like that. > Buy it does appear to be separated in the bottle, one on top, the other on the bottom. Yup, the DOT standard says that they have to be "compatible". But they don't mix at all, kind of like oil and water. Nelson wrote an article for Buckeye Triumphs that shows it very nicely. He put DOT 4 and DOT 5 both in a baby food jar and shook it up. The entertaining (to me) result is that the purple color moved from being on top to being on the bottom! Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 20:55:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F43140524 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1581D403B9 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JqPL1m0061eYJf801qszmo; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 02:52:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jqsx1m00l4L5TyG01qsyFA; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 02:52:58 +0000 From: Bud R To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:52:57 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1377831179; bh=mNft+aufoIAXF5l6GxTuO2v7Rl+htp85HhPuk60nRfw=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=Re8+I199i9W4F/fXsLKmabD7b9BWeRcaxEUntbLCNexnEOBBrpL0ubBMMGeEypCmC X/C9QNzJIYZw+hY0Mx/J251EhaYyquOEGMuu+OOhH8zMpga2yM42ALL8gAVzee1AtS XW0XRbbIBocmsz/ykLz4Kjk6aHIbm8Cb9GkH6RtStfFPfrwAH1L5S7oJKmJLbmFcAV 0EA5RlhDy5ZtEYmci1alc825mAzjcgBWO07cZW3SQvXdgN/3Vp9qtNQzlBlUqayEOT B/WgnIn43Shgi4t0kDSmFTifAwvPO8aH2AQQN+HklukA3X1O+2CxuW+dBsSrBPipjE Pa1M4yTvYIRyg== Subject: [TR] Unused VTR reservation at Host Hotel? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a Embassy Suites hotel reservation at the group rate that they are not going to use after all? The deadline for early registration has almost arrived so if it's a no go for you to go to VTR but you made a Embassy Suites reservation please let me know. Usually the hotel will simply change the name on the reservation once they receive the needed information from us both. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 22:05:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8B640539 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6F34032B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2013 04:05:16 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.240] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2013 04:05:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2013 04:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 45323 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2013 04:05:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377835515; bh=zODPkvcWu6gBiZakCX39dEbL6LcxHiGmUlJKRDvCrQE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cyy9LtWZG3Wmg8DVDdxl8h3UEfF9Lfcj9B0BF90UpRQ00uFR15zm8Yjt56YmD6fQQ/NBEOefHgeyqP9OCRt2ZAiJuzSzVSS+7hOAUe6PMNMWsTrq0SEzIMAtvzrJq0vWtbCn0VGfMNGIXHb4P1JwJUULNTK0KJfboiw75AcElI8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h1TR9c3VNQMG+y4VoS13vVi5We+Txs622RAIz9JbgahVLY6VPUOqNCClec1VsvW5cpA3n9FSzK1yGC703y7zW2kdN1rS+iZNL2lgI0Wad9yVR+U/kk6oYf3dfNLucjbq5yELziy27gzRZ2nCyHt4u3gTDYwyxMF8uItNuLw1DRE=; xkNNPBcwiyaL37nxikvZd.2BFZdn3EZlcB0UuL_BrO5M2pOTN17zcuRhWzDS FfzmiIDk9HqOgDNID52PnLa3y0xB14UqIbHzGqdJpns0a.2Dn7v5mhquYUbj 6_.KUiNVlaORTsV9g6OmYaNQ.C._Nxs9yvizA66iWRJ_1OkvoP335AOSznUP 2MOp69rM3R4Jg.KRENRZWQS36DvnrDDArJZAac7Mx5d4zGl7rln9RpCro6YZ aZ0sv8sp.qA83Bi0QjpHNwOC60OINadJFQRAW2TbtrjJD9PDvegNc.Ud9Bz_ _kpYrtprOqExrWRqIaOOtKBycz16RSqBrLUpzhTwV0k3rldX2DfndkZGncZm T4MZWZpVtlO.Nio_3b3s226vUnaGGo7hsmTqa7O32FWz2ZGPnsB_XM867gop 7Q4UIV.BQmYJ6EwBL77rtV2jqZIWW8hTPMWiV_C3oNc7o39UDf5runDNs83W kFZLLHdKyLSuwFTWmvCTnDRAA0o1t.0I8AnGWuEPZZzqgIAu1Cjv1U1ILbd4 fFkw- Received: from [108.220.113.88] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:05:15 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBUaGUgcG9wIHVwIHNwcmluZyBvbiBteSAxOTc0IFRSNiBzZWVtcyB0byBiZSBvdmVybHkgc3RpZmYuIFlvdSBoYXZlIHRvIHByZXNzIGRvd24gcmlkaWN1bG91c2x5IGhhcmQgdG8gY2xvc2UgdGhlIGJvbm5ldC4gSSB0aGluayB0aGF0IGl0IGlzIHRoZSBvcmlnaW5hbC4gRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgY3V0IHRoZSBzcHJpbmcgZG93biB0byBtYWtlIGl0IGVhc2llciB0byB1c2U_IE1heWJlIHNvbWVvbmUgaGFzIHJlcGxhY2VkIHRoZSBzcHJpbmcgaW4gdGhpcyBvbmUgc29tZXRpbWUgb3ZlciB0aGUgbGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Bonnet Latch & Spring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The pop up spring on my 1974 TR6 seems to be overly stiff. You have to press down ridiculously hard to close the bonnet. I think that it is the original. Does anyone cut the spring down to make it easier to use? Maybe someone has replaced the spring in this one sometime over the last 40 years and put the wrong spring in. Another thing about the latch. It seems that the safety catch is unnecessary because it is a forward opening hood (bonnet). It is a pain in the ass to fool with when opening up the hood. Does anyone remove the safety catch? Are there caveats like it can suck open if the latch comes undone or something? TIA -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 22:11:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D609C40452 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C17403B9 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-255-238.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.255.238]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MSB00D50SUZPP50@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 04:09:06 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-30_02:2013-08-29,2013-08-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308290203 From: Darrell Walker Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:08:58 -0700 References: <1377835515.44755.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Bonnet Latch & Spring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:05 PM, William Brewer wrote: > Another thing about the latch. It seems that > the safety catch is unnecessary because it is a forward opening hood (bonnet). > It is a pain in the ass to fool with when opening up the hood. Does anyone > remove the safety catch? Are there caveats like it can suck open if the latch > comes undone or something? The TR4/4A don't have a safety catch. The hood will lift a bit at speed (I had a problem for a while where a good bump would pop the latch), but not more than a inch or so. I would guess the TR6 aerodynamics are similar. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 08:59:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2175F4053D for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E3C4052A for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k18so2368985oag.26 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J3t9ey6OSLGxv7LarObl+cTTQ1/HTzhAwBt41SLdmdY=; b=gczunDWzQRNH8wcPz1RSwFc/deWwrlsRISY7jrfMPk5Y7Lg6A3sDa1hOKTP4O5MNPI p7xe9xJ82NgLfXxYPROUtr1l22JYz+oaNcf8ErV1GPhIclBTNrwSs1zZjHZ2aiV3kE2A iBPeuZPfqeZpPQKtPezNsh92XRMjU1psBXhRjNWuRoPcXJEN7QXXkjsWAIe6o43bW5oY Lu1YZltZE9v720kCMuSW/8AGXem6VRaUpqXamsGpn1H+14O6ynCXgG+k+dJWBILFEHGM BLSN1j2Npg3i20ru2H5YIiBaai214xwWABWoUVzznEiKc7TkoROrSkNxxagLQ+a8mWTw PaZA== uy14mr7115144obc.102.1377874739135; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm38657802oek.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:58:56 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1377809215.21417.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Flushing Brake System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/29/13 1:46 PM, William Brewer wrote: > What does one use to flush out the brake hydraulic system when converting > over to Dot 5? I think that they say "methylated spirits" or something like > that. What does that mean in American English? Does lacquer thinner work or > does that eat up the plastic parts? I may just blow it out and then flush the > Dot 5 through. > Just regular rubbing alcohol would do the job. You should replace all the rubber in the system as well. new flex hoses & new cylinder pistons. DOT4 and DOT 5 both affect the properties of the rubber but in different ways. You can end up with a seal leak if they have had long term exposure to both types of fluid. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 12:35:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632E84054F for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209C440074 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K6Z31m0031vN32cA46babh; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:35:34 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K6ba1m0032xZMJ48i6bab1; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:35:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:35:34 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: british-cars@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1377887734; bh=1oSarPe+Pd6JBWoqMRGKYLFsfNsInFMZyiqQd+24UHA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=guJ1iYyJzk7uBAGDDIsFLvHespYfWkl3zatH4agu94sNP7yS4QEbu3L3dgxrwXM/x nvjERw68REWSQSYkioX1xgjRM1nTkVzvyP+3u5lvZfTZ/d1YPaiCcJGQZCSOpDWMfK HlNsaTFnAcl/vUYblc04a0R0FXxD4dVzLWCVzaEgO9CGaZzOSakiykJhrbv5EmAU30 HFaV4lAbRX42WFQSUki/F+n7zoLQFDySZWU5AAf/uWSANxhMqimmSdy8M1+bkzHKw3 1O3F08p87EYb2yW6+jl2rA95Z+Y+v3eLPk4YP66DpJJf0fNecNrtnDSCJUjqeJ9bVy EuntfckeIovcQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Red Ensign flag of Phil Ethier? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Checking through my stuff, and I can't find my Red Ensign. Did I leave it flying someplace at the TRF Summer Party or the Lotus Owners Gathering? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 12:47:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCBC40541 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE2C400AD for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2013 18:47:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.42] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2013 18:47:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2013 18:47:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377888436; bh=DCHDJkRYPFXxAHKHPtwndbt4NOpTYeyrkZku0FPZqSA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=IVxxoSgPolNuP7VHpEWMbolSPJ9TLV9+bj7z2IcUImwF9zSqjDFgar2jnc5x6duS0iQ8zPpgsQr3HQASV6uobUfeDZ4q8cqs3RDn6NQOLE0MC6eB6nzRBj8o11zZtiU2/tyxhv18o1eSE7kZCb8AjBwlR54xzOMnNIqisO3Fnyk= QK9B44ExGqdAoEaNnx94yWZMDCZdIvqdmyueAQKSZ4ItuVpFK7x826fFX.fN UVjuidUpp50xUyfyzbjWQxBnwLBxVTvZLz81XqweNMBkne_GSG07DRtfimKK f4gOvYweVNGCNAL5qWzYzMVcMxraye_NTvrlrP8QmuRSORmotB8HlvmKu1Wp tN8qOoBo6MSCVRWZIWK_buN3A.A2k.TsQ7y5aNJ2HxHvlXseLJbEQV5Q.7h9 zf44zhPjogAI.cyojARtPX0IMJr9E5OPjIBjKSgCSJV16QVPQQAgH0qFdM6a NEnf0IvCPgLvJMK2PBv3KoaFqz.gT6tBdhS43s7IRdH5ehQm7kl_bxTFVfyL vzJApSUMrAHsb6_YhOCg4ZBG4p1JkYVmrAmZReAEDBphXWvIQVpDX5HHik9d 2MCS_2CgWcKgN.j2hFAFsPLEB4zK.eW4iBiTpaGHvdSwAbhjBBGxKwgtpp12 gQsO7QaDgdugkh9cbU36e0R9IRwvE6.E- ) by smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2013 11:47:16 -0700 PDT From: JT Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:47:12 -0700 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Listing vehicles for sale on this site is it or is it not permitted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Lately I've been seeing some vehicles for sale on the site it was my understanding that you can't list vehicles for sale on the site would someone please give me the correct answer to that question can or can you not list for sale vehicles on this website? Thanks JT ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 12:50:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD824055B for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFD640558 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K5dE1m0040EPchoAB6q17t; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:50:01 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K6q01m00a2xZMJ48M6q0Cz; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:50:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: JT s=q20121106; t=1377888601; bh=7GKXEvMGUv696bQboHjrCqiesybPlVKngnN+UMvKSQk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=IW2SvrabO15K3bm5y6NoDXZOpbUcMw2TWy+RbFn8vUm7QONfpzpPD7ZVgZnnXv60+ 1Oo8vPRoS5bRrLWFTRKhEdLZj9LCsp/Y+tEK4Snu/lq8fRwhN8OaCCRob1ELiiPHgq ZXQiSgNoy2dlmJZXzTA7lwctm+cHw9+FEfTkXFO1z9vDxxkDwi+kbcPbZxaqFumZHn csWb7Sg7oZ/fvXRGGHi638GDPKHHS77Uy1/KKTeupxRcSljoyl44NsNl79Czg6SgvR QvbBIoOu8+Ywe0UfI7CSWwGkdt+5ycqzquv4eWm9odYDJxKSe3Ihh0l2Wg+dGvpWRa gmn+xKh+s90Dw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Listing vehicles for sale on this site is it or is it not permitted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Where did you get the idea that you can't advertize a car (particularly a Triumph) on this list? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JT" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:47:12 PM > Subject: [TR] Listing vehicles for sale on this site is it or is it not permitted > Lately I've been seeing some vehicles for sale on the site it was my > understanding that you can't list vehicles for sale on the site would > someone > please give me the correct answer to that question can or can you not > list for > sale vehicles on this website? Thanks JT ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 13:12:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365EF4055D for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799A440396 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id p13so1572583vbe.33 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dxEc94eKcVA0axxHGixkf0YR7zqp/RpM1IR2wuSA/b4=; b=ahJOhaZ8BEHJE11S0swqR9TcgibbGXP9VtSBXl06EfdYNOmtR1QJstHiZVody/DW9b mnyZpdQ0Y8l0/MxghtMxcz1KQ8+aR+mxfJ8qkm1GmsiJMTxQH+nl5WptxollqN0bik2S OqAe6I5623/E4X83j1KVcb3X1by/KeXILJ578O6nlg6iu8ilwcPAR3u3Qrv/UHNKVN4E VMgM0wsot78qh/mYE61zL+6LAMole6OiwtLCF2dvWDldMtGEWppQ93NEpRX///a4p70R lTwKDGEmb3SFz7P3t7GTH7gUpNPngJN4jF8sdRhk+Pz4bpVimEjdjcgYHxemrWq4F7++ Ad8w== u19mr9656562vce.3.1377889933183; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.208 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <650DAA71-921E-41C4-A5C3-C31D88F73479@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:12:13 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: JT Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Listing vehicles for sale on this site is it or is it not permitted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The are a couple of sites (forums) I frequent that do not allow 'for sale' or 'wanted' posts amid the general conversation -- but those sites also have specific places where such posts should be placed. So far as I know, there is no admonition against such posts here. Geo On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:47 AM, JT wrote: > Lately I've been seeing some vehicles for sale on the site it was my > understanding that you can't list vehicles for sale on the site would > someone > please give me the correct answer to that question can or can you not list > for > sale vehicles on this website? Thanks JT > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 13:42:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FE640547 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A0A403B1 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=8DLJdsvu784A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=EC_nZE7B7AAJsJFGi2UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:36441] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id AA/73-02184-EE4F0225; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:39:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:39:26 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , JT Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Listing vehicles for sale on this site is it or is it not permitted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- JT wrote: > Lately I've been seeing some vehicles for sale on the site it was my > understanding that you can't list vehicles for sale on the site would someone > please give me the correct answer to that question can or can you not list for > sale vehicles on this website? Thanks JT "Commercial" ads are frowned on, except in response to a question. There is even a separate Autojumble list for people with a lot of things to sell (though it doesn't see much traffic). However, I believe that an occasional offer for sale is acceptable. Here are the "official" guidelines from MJB (the man behind the curtain that keeps this list going) : >>> For the moment, though, my request is simple. Use common sense, respect and consideration if you are thinking about offering items for sale on one of the lists. At the very least, describe what you have, where in the world it is located, and the price. It isn't nice to make folks who might be interested do the work in requesting this basic info, when a few more seconds of typing on your part would do the trick. These lists, with the previously mentioned exception of autojumble, are for discussion, not commerce. I don't want to just ban any and all 'for sale' email, outright. Finding a needed part through the list resources is an important part of the value provided. I simply request that you Think before you type. <<< To which, I will personally add that if you do make a sale through the list, it would be appropriate to donate part of the proceeds to help maintain the list, using the "Donate" link below. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 13:46:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A4A40539 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B824003E for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0349A1015 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:45:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <650DAA71-921E-41C4-A5C3-C31D88F73479@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Listing vehicles for sale on this site is it or is it not permitted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Personally what I would do is write up an advert with pics and such for the 'Swap Meet' forum at http://www.team.net.forums then post a pointer to it here on this email list. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 08:54:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C554055D for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61DF403EB for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 14:53:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 14:53:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 14:53:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 21958 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2013 14:53:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377960812; bh=qJ3kSE38/EoZEKPVSweq+oykOxc1Hu67reErPgzXa4s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E7haBAAVugAo2CXDZID6ZC4ra4nEvo5p4HovrhfnDrMGeoaSYGelNYD0O94Nky7QaizP22VJ+/mSMhcGLTXQS/4Gtt96/QqA97PYTdHsDs+5jvOETvY6Ff/fgkP7RRBBGULUv7G5U/EAi5f5ZXRdKSrY/PqAwgIJkaeiWEONZLk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EY48R0zE3bro7vyGXlGEMlUl6vN5Hns9/9eZS7KQDXkP4Nfs7WfZgwF7svm9jzHL7yI3Uds3/hr4mw8YL5bqf4rUJOUr+ptuD5HPf/Y4ZeFubIPUO2+q69Qi9bJl0uHXhaaAUBWADj6s9iajh58m8uPDXP9NqDKPNjnxmBNM2p8=; 1XXKLCtBRgH_uQcFKN_4CBLbvB_TlCpmQB9beWou6tZFK3lWY3d74Kq79oRG 8KSjNIjqw4lBK2fA3_Prea_ZnOIRTxi4GsuhmWtE6Vo1x3RhoRGiFLgmjcrh 7dhziWbdsX2Yp5Gc4ePjPg84eLRreg_c3qe04FnKBkJBgh9f_1v2ToyF4yB3 ePwn9Bn2qxoI9KphcbbAIopNyFuzN5YH5mf0FZYJSKu8nfJt08FQr5cqgRp8 uYJ8srLLF68xxiP_7YPHzO5GXwhVAlP85OePVqZ.YmrbCpGD8jHtuavJCSe2 h5yCsqVu2KJMLpROlhC3AmBZbReM.NUbYEZvTT76v11eVrQ.7OyxdoKKGeo5 rcaJNu0ixEs3IxEPvUZ8Va5OosM1o2vadKmKB1yFCcXjiaWD.Gk.ttpDX8HY xpuRGx.OLZAN9x2Y76IiXKsDQanvNpNXulCs.TmnTLvUAItN_TLTLOEO45Ws EvL5_dddnqbO7IG6XijFHi7Xgk2WLDj4Z1_LaeSFFGo8aGNS5 Received: from [99.101.58.88] by web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:53:32 PDT VG8gYWxsIHRoZSBmb2xrcyB3aG8gcmVzcG9uZGVkIHRvIG15IGlucXVpcnksIHRoYW5rIHlvdS4gVGVkIFNodW1hY2hlciBjYW1lIHRvIG15IHJlc2N1ZSBhbmQgYWZ0ZXIgZGlzY3Vzc2luZwpzZXZlcmFsIG9wdGlvbnMgd2UgZGVjaWRlZCB0byBqdXN0IGdvIHdpdGggcmVidWlsdCBjYWxpcGVycyB3aGljaCBoZSBjb252ZW5pZW50bHkgaGFkIG9uIGhpcyBzaGVsZi4gUGx1cyBoZSBpcyBhIGdvb2QgZ3V5IHdobydzIGF1dG_CoApwYXJ0cyBJIGhhdmUgcHVyY2hhc2VkIGJlZm9yZSA6KSkpKSDCoApXaGVuIEkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Calipers and brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To all the folks who responded to my inquiry, thank you. Ted Shumacher came to my rescue and after discussing several options we decided to just go with rebuilt calipers which he conveniently had on his shelf. Plus he is a good guy who's auto parts I have purchased before :)))) When I finally win Powerball I plan to pull the body off the TR6, make whatever dimensional modifications needed, and remove the body from a Subaru WRX STI and put my TR6 body on. Kick some German BE-hind! Oh yeh, right AFTER I buy the Airstream Trailer and the Bentley with which to pull it around:)) Chances of that happening are equal to that of me covering the state of Texas a foot deep in fifty cent pieces and going and finding a specific one-the first try:))) Hope you're laughing!! John Summers '74 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 17:39:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6D1403F3 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A99403D4 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.231] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2013 23:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 83617 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2013 23:39:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377992373; bh=WTv3IeV5g3xbUoCn5k+clqt44mwB3kp+rhCcdEM++nI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yTDgfpehslYwZXEFNp+ltcHgGwngsefTdBjyaqFjZ7dHD1opUNi4EdE+g8mPtTCuUuTSldlbWY0MhMFh2pBuTeQM2luJbPXEZme8HSocktiKKni5BHGp1LWSzvmOI7uH+nIXS38NQahgfxZDWNmv5p1VMt1EPjnbo6/cGo9r5yg= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wy2ZpOyvDfIIZS3+49vwGuUlHr+nixtZZqSEnN1j1v0AlPOGwjWLP8skCcIptw7itADyE39UDeE+hjSiaLKhLR0NXg55kWBYsSrJY4Aha2Yjf6lPtYr0QCXCCAuHv+zQVVtGOTt+8z0ilpB4ZGdbPQ7jAGYGHhud7nBtnLqWsgw=; SPNvKqt7n4JOT8qPYb1SoSak.uBe6ryqlAutmtfyXSZvhZlQ39P50rYgcQe0 dxhID1JK09fxBMgwVVt3OXvZYzwLHvHEbtxgtu0PS_1GBlS92Rh_aUohBvVE vHxBwfU7gzuOhAE1szbbDsY8eGC6WpvC1OsUoSu6hc4LcezpowQbr6v70Wgv bn_qauDcMlM_S1XN0O5Lh4dw1isnarj0GyYsKWiAABwkuBdTns.lyPg2BBH0 SrRNztoZo11Jb9LgQJsbH4QdfNGxH2WlMHgDiTj6.CnSZedp7ZmkPKGXCfRm IGEH2kRBdHtkpvVTkzUpUIlr4s9GFNPY5Es0yt0.BBYYJh0xDMT7LJgThRG4 s0iYtZtN0NLpcROblUD92.79NG7d3rR89OVVcINfCmNftI.R8PloDOCoWEAN f3UL3TlwwH3B_YHLcW7z9emb.evPLdo23fJXCiFrsy1Tw3cQJlFsUZm7dMGZ 7HRUtYxUkGS6mEXepOni0wLel38GVWm..tXlYT92w7N_oD8i0n7Eskqjt Received: from [71.84.111.152] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:39:33 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBTbyB3aGVuIHJlcGFpbnRpbmcgYSBUUjYgdW5kZXIgdGhlIGxvd2VyIHNpZGUgY2hyb21lIHN0cmlwIHRoZXJlIGlzIHNvbWUgcm91Z2ggc3R1ZmYgdGhhdCBpcyBzb3J0IG9mIGxpa2UgaGFyZCBzcGxhdHRlcmVkIHVuZGVyY29hdGluZy4gUGFydCBvZiBtaW5lIGlzIHNhbmRlZCBvZmYgc21vb3RoLiBJZiBhIGd1eSB3YW50cyB0byByZS1kbyBpdCwgd2hhdCBkbyB5b3UgdXNlPyBEb2VzIGFueW9uZSBzY3JhcGUgb2ZmIHRoZSBvbGQgY29hdGluZyBhbmQganVzdCBwYWludCBpdCB0aGUgYm9keSABMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Sill Splatter Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So when repainting a TR6 under the lower side chrome strip there is some rough stuff that is sort of like hard splattered undercoating. Part of mine is sanded off smooth. If a guy wants to re-do it, what do you use? Does anyone scrape off the old coating and just paint it the body color instead of the satin black? TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 17:48:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE96B403D8 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82521403F0 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id bg4so3746092pad.18 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=7H4rZ29LhJrRk6jK4OoUKs+/yV/lXb+IaP/fYR/DH50=; b=R8oeODsS1hksHYGHoL3rNpbfQl7TxP8/ApDsvFssO9BYKikPTdqmYf/G0ZNbkPdeLi GGF6H6gkGI1Zg+DIYUFUgpl5xXIYtEfj0wbm0lXg0I9Cs8J9gRpJGWVfBJw3jlUv4jtd eai+FI/dVNIbEe8+gkBOBWXFOGuT7B1MQeHqfGMuNpl1SIOiX2aw3RvBTIacnFjc6oU8 FdRgAbwMT4wwLvT5GU0xop4bVb14QNhCfHdqVAA7jHdjOgaBxLbJDKmCUrQ5qZ4e4GH3 zLI4yJ0ewbrdzbOixtvn7UI9USABQ+OJnMyZG+BM7oj7UyLRjjtuHj3Q4xOSOddeLPei SFog== zv9mr17635207pbc.69.1377992869198; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yk1sm5950768pac.15.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:47:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <1377992373.83599.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:47:47 -0400 To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Sill Splatter Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I hd mine sanded down and painted black without the texture when it was repainted in 2002. Never went for concourse so didn't care much if correct. Just want a clean look. Jim henningsen Ocala fl 62 TR4 75 TR6 Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2013, at 7:39 PM, William Brewer wrote: > So when repainting a TR6 under the lower side chrome strip there is some > rough stuff that is sort of like hard splattered undercoating. Part of mine is > sanded off smooth. If a guy wants to re-do it, what do you use? Does anyone > scrape off the old coating and just paint it the body color instead of the > satin black? > TIA, > > Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 18:33:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69627403EF for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E45C403D4 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 00:29:37 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.244] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 00:29:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 00:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 49988 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2013 00:29:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377995377; bh=EOXMpvHlJkVncuu29BncxsVqqL5wJt83NHS9otlkZ38=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lYUzXkSMFoZ+mwv0LNIcYb1RyyGmtg3vwxYAhzUCXzW6Pqb4cotSMEPTHpll/q7HAu/DesJWVu5uyhxAN3sddDMUHWeAfHfYMAbT5F6xT+NBq5zIhdMktMtPOXdlW6PkrTG3Xu/ujyx008NJphfq6X8KUJ2+ydPRrEq5aXkoI18= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dNd4IXPoym5NcpiX5xaXjsA58wzhcuLS5uGfhRLbpvtPq/3vLE9BoV2qtkUUXS0JcAHgkdKwItGhLah12JoxoCJq8gOj9J0u72YD5nXIIkm5Jk0Ns81Nd1EqCZtFvjK9Cuh7vOO0XmHTsMeXTLwEV+5c52BOzFk81vvsHO7fm0c=; 4C6o6Rujq.H2xiOkWIf5Qc58mS.TePTuIWO6kyFsxlRtmyaj6tD03bQefA0a lrYtzIOPAXcXh_0kpddXOl2ng.spqmTh6d4vCRWI6SwcysWbXFyLYrXwEDVN gZJzr__9FrCYvcSNGyHlS8KXIkkSRxyiInLIPLA4i9MpghZPKzvHNTrPo.bq exwE55D3Kio5g09.d6Ll0NhEZsp0sv7nlUOzrWNrm29PjB_Eb210koDdT6yg jxXuzqMdK80NivpyMiAE875ipeV9RW1dMr_IU_YToytI1AWhuvoDYt4SgDjW .QwcHXcfkCCf0Ig2RiGoykNTSN67cGEAjFIei8PO.S1_hW_UXsiT7tQEi7u0 Oy_EVx0B2c1tuFDwEEvDbqta6fGxqkeqhL3thlYf6l6EYrLmSp4PRKO2obfR B7OQ47yGTSMBioeiZWKKR90ZHoQudto1f7.q97YaTi10FXpPjg00fgefsAYG M0.sjdAFj0LQpLj_ArjX9xOI3fQ4bbWmNUSn6Y7qq1tvp1BsFb3nAefFSzEZ ls29qdiq7DRTzjZVZhJrdphroq99H21RyFIJLJQNjWRp1iRG5MHzO1viyEmL 8VYoGVBIQ6QbhjJ2vgcKb9JGJ_dX.8LlS0ZN2_JRM85bcZ2vSohPQ375zlSh WfXK.8lnvBwc.u1Id5Uk- Received: from [71.84.111.152] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:29:36 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBJIGFtIGNvbnNpZGVyaW5nIHB1dCBNaWF0YSBzZWF0cyBpbiBteSAxOTc0IFRSNi4gVGhleSBsb29rIG1vcmUgY29tZm9ydGFibGUgYW5kIGEgbG90IGZhc3RlciAmIGNoZWFwZXIgdGhhbiByZS1kb2luZyB0aGUgVFI2IHNlYXRzIGluIHRhbiBsZWF0aGVyLiBBcmUgdGhlcmUgYW55IHllYXIgTWlhdGEgc2VhdHMgdGhhdCBlaXRoZXIgZml0IG9yIGRvbid0IGZpdD8gQW55IHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zIG9uIHdoaWNoIHNlYXRzIHdvdWxkIHdvcmsgYmVzdD8gSSBzZWUgTWlhdGEgc2VhdCBtb3VudGluZyABMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 and Miata Seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am considering put Miata seats in my 1974 TR6. They look more comfortable and a lot faster & cheaper than re-doing the TR6 seats in tan leather. Are there any year Miata seats that either fit or don't fit? Any suggestions on which seats would work best? I see Miata seat mounting kits for sale on Ebay, has anyone used them? http://www.ebay.com/itm/251327809470?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 20:06:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093A9403F3 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAF2403D8 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 02:06:01 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.233] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 02:06:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 02:06:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 6180 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2013 02:06:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1378001160; bh=fXy+CIzxMmtfCYPrZMM0c4MfGbEC/6+UdxoRVyogmIY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yAeFnM2FzA+CNUAhXtSwraPZdOCRbtjdj2D+LB6DVzyGhqfOnuybTLLpEgDTWeLAoRDKLX9MXN9lq6QDZdi6Be3lDMyNORqfPs362675SW+G0mIWtCoqifr2LkGfsBqpLLUlOAYumpjKr0fO7UyjlSu/kWTt7UEMJH5I0gdAcCk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lE/HAbaQQj0WLHt2XLc1RRmUOqTQNkmpc4+PTwny6G/GbhH3KxyQGVdkXMGiCrBkHcbNNzMyTtEtt+PMGdSYbAOFZ5P602eqIrb5bIt/lRjMwZ8JYmtmKnHqeWxwaNRncuRNzP4gCMmsncSfBZyBqG3wvtRqbbEW5XgBsorSdQI=; R4kjS_jNdKQt1Zg6KmZ_wd9fxO.TQDpe0XdgHA9Dw0bFD7.0k5DCb6BGVfbJ J88S45kY_gTUxA3MSlQ5Ku1AYnUWESeQ_5mK7dP9dnfvJ_W1aQowHPVLISVR uBZ20Ef9CUJ4h7sQfGIK4cl_pg3vfeQlIyH0fWL5q5quO47cDfDjwh9nzPj1 gGFbWUcZq0CFlHMce7nFFeplyyp9nOC9C9eiAPrAobti7Jlb_zaYoA.Z4LMO ZEis3qVgPiprKMSFj7c8Bst6YSbHBj0m_lPzZK6PNmm_Hg4ahspxd8VRxe5a zK5aqAxkbM6W01.5iw..RakIXnk9nEaqBs2ttR9DqmzPzJfaclbZpvVbDqlD 7xRWrimF9mFQlHtUzhATG9xcLv42yVzP06z8eFaYNYlBSSY9KKws_Nm9Y2cx URU3bF_TaHQe.p1ahkRnD4mEQEVNATFib4EHWu1GCv7wGSjlcvA7ZhjkXLxM vbLYJV92HI.SVYPSXgqcZ4niFbobUjXZIL_9jj2PHUs0KfqOd9ANG Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:06:00 PDT SSd2ZSBqdXN0IGJlZW4gcmVtb3ZpbmcgYW5kIHJlLWluc3RhbGxpbmcgdGhlcm1vc3RhdCBhbmQgdGVtcGVyYXR1cmUgc2Vuc29yIGZyb20gbXkgdHItMy7CoCBJIGhhdmUgYSBxdWVzdGlvbiBjb25jZXJuaW5nIHRoZSB0ZW1wIHNlbnNvci7CoCBJIGZpbmQgdGhhdCBJIGNhbiB0aWdodGVuIHVwIHRoZSBudXQgdGhhdCBob2xkcyB0aGUgc2Vuc29yIGluIHBsYWNlIHZlcnkgdGlnaHRseS7CoCBCdXQgbm8gbWF0dGVyIGhvdyB0aWdodCBpdCBpcyB0aGUgc2Vuc29yIGNhbiBzdGlsbCBiZSBwdWxsZWQgaW4gYW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tr-3 temp sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've just been removing and re-installing thermostat and temperature sensor from my tr-3. I have a question concerning the temp sensor. I find that I can tighten up the nut that holds the sensor in place very tightly. But no matter how tight it is the sensor can still be pulled in and out by approx. 1/4 inch. It does seem to be springloaded and take some effort to pull in and out. (pulling on the wire wound capillary pipe) but still it does move. I think it has always been that way and never leaked but I don't understand it. It seems that it should leak water. Is it possible that the "springloaded" pressure is enough to keep it tight and from leaking? Or did I lose a bushing that should also go inside the locking nut? thanks! gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 20:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9034053D for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665F7403DB for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.6] helo=mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VFx9x-0008Hc-Py for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:13:01 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VFx9x-0001uz-Cd; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:13:01 -0400 Received: from webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.17]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id KeD11m00J0N5H5E01eD1NP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:13:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=vAPh4pg1EIsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UNAz0XEQu53b7IzxLJ8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=NXqU3YP/RUmPXXhrMXkjfA==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VFx9c-0001NT-Qj; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:12:40 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:12:40 -0400 References: <1378001160.74771.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:12:40 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Gary Nafziger" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 temp sensor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you sure that its not only the spiral wound protection wire around the capillary tube that is moving? The sensing bulb seals by a tapered surface against the thermostat housing and the capillary tube nut only holds it in place. If the capillary tube itself does not move, you are good to go. Greg G. Osseo, MN > I've just been removing and re-installing thermostat and temperature > sensor > from my tr-3. I have a question concerning the temp sensor. I find that > I > can tighten up the nut that holds the sensor in place very tightly. But > no > matter how tight it is the sensor can still be pulled in and out by > approx. > 1/4 inch. It does seem to be springloaded and take some effort to pull in > and > out. (pulling on the wire wound capillary pipe) but still it does move. > > I > think it has always been that way and never leaked but I don't understand > it. > It seems that it should leak water. Is it possible that the > "springloaded" > pressure is enough to keep it tight and from leaking? Or did I lose a > bushing > that should also go inside the locking nut? > thanks! > gary n. > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 20:52:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A779F403F2 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:52:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9581403DB for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.91.182.adsl.snet.net [69.0.91.182]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LxgcF-1W4Bes2Eih-017GjP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:49:16 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "William Brewer" , "Triumphs" References: <1377995376.45244.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:49:20 -0400 MqTcOXom0L4AuZmCjHDoXrE4tKVSFWIgj1HWSsSgvTZuNfntsD 6ZZQXBEygM5txuGe1JWtXAAgjJ2lq8icgGyObO5VkIvugW7lGY 8V4T5z1MsLQr4ZtUP80w87PeEkP6lcxrrFZ65ejUJGdHhBUf4F l6iCH+WZ8KAZgdGDHxhFzWe5fKAkW/cAuH03hgOoRu6T6/nYI+ MF5hipqHtM/20mu3wnffeswmj612zyMItTfoB7KZg3xHgiUt4q D2xfSkNF7iRZ0RStGoEC+oUcfBE5PQ4pvAbgjJTHiZUu2w0lv1 hCzQoy+1XX6ANtvYJtwHPui+n1ziehDXGj9iT/BWD Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 and Miata Seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill.... a few observations/comments on Miata seats.... having had both rebuilt TR6 seats and Miata seats: - I totally rebuilt & recovered my '75 TR6 seats and they were very comfortable but not as comfortable as Miata seats. - The headrest of the later TR6 seats offers no head protection versus the integrated Miata headrest. Triumph should have stuck with the early seats that offered head/neck protection.... having been rear-ended I know the value of head/neck support. - Some guys will tell you that they sit higher in a Miata seat but I bet they're comparing them to TR6 seats with bad foam and broken diaphragms. My TR6 seats had good foam and good diaphragms so I found that I sat at the same height. - Miata seats offer the option of headrest speakers....... great sound that can be heard at "speed". - The brackets on eBay are made by A.R.E. or Joe and Drew Alexander.......... I've made my own, used A.R.E.'s and finally settled on the brackets made by Rick Patton (http://pattonmachine.com/Miata-Brackets.htm) Rick's brackets cost more but are simple to install and once installed remain in place. Then seat removal is a 4 bolt, 5 minute process. I highly recommend them. - Mr. Mike (http://mrmikes.com/miatahome.htm) makes great seat covers in a variety of colors and styles for Miata seats....... NFI but a great guy to do business with. - The last year you can buy is 1999. Anything after that will have a fit problem at the shoulder...... i.e. the bracket for the folding top will interfere with the seat and need to be modified. - You should be able to find seats for +/- $150 or so. - Go through my site (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/MiataSeats1.htm) on buying/installing Miata seats and email me with any questions. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:29 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 and Miata Seats I am considering put Miata seats in my 1974 TR6. They look more comfortable and a lot faster & cheaper than re-doing the TR6 seats in tan leather. Are there any year Miata seats that either fit or don't fit? Any suggestions on which seats would work best? I see Miata seat mounting kits for sale on Ebay, has anyone used them? http://www.ebay.com/itm/251327809470?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 22:54:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB15840407 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A674403DB for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 04:54:13 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.239] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 04:54:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 04:54:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 19751 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2013 04:54:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1378011252; bh=/MLf3p7y2AKoea83GwW5jeW/plssgMezRziNZNjJOKQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PknP8CTLpxWwCZdBaA0t4GUi9QhAL1cwrO5GBQCfSxanHDWpzKCDxZUvbh/OyM570gZCyJj+h8x6EAvAfFiMU3gfE8ERT10j9/n/WDbqLpTSl02Lh1H6w7kxy1iRPJv0pwLYPSax82+zr8vdK+UuKn9/q1poWs0Mzvrbz2Ws9lQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rK2Sk891P7QspO4R9U3q+2uBV1GqZKerXy4sli3U8Gk55Wi5Axv1PaQH1OWAcl3DGqXGbg3RaXAsaOIRSGbXxV3X6cflo4AwpggztFA5Kdpn92uCwLBek8zNZsPHpGYTs/6Mh/uEulbPnDNqxWLMSFizJNcvtJMDtokiov3OWss=; wChoySIM1WsHhJ.YrCBJxbkBbXC_TYcX2IwNb2Ew8bT_Xi4ugACXGwaNlRKb 43Tuk4pY9E4MnuDJgOgwZCysWtlMJpJy8zh9ln4bY53pX6RnwS3L4fTwBmOF ebeDRvzZ9Jz.BLGYGTaAh9lySmiJvLK8nfuGjmTZivccMr28zY_PJgwkLZRr rXYsTwxywvJ22eP41J8_.6y.iydJgQZEHaNBANWQJyggDVmQyEZVbJCKWDCR PiMd5dIcxh11PaV3FM4te27cskzl4BTT9s0dgO3KMJZyEYl4HwoR3GL8VFiK ey3klAcK8HaGaBIo8f5I1To7G8y2i0fl.GgZq8FpGyad9pEobxWOoSEwo1hN f28LxVGdVIJqhpayr7TTpn0xqvqpmU_HkMKQN7o4gVSj5sb9RmEnJHrg.PSB g4rO4vFHYilDFRZqxmTiTiW9LBTvP_mUeUiS0j9ZLIadQ_pAVD6gQBgK4F.l f0Fj8RKDqCnRH6FvU16X_cjIRNpmYW_UV4XJ0_S7zPcFZ2fVyQOTEeW3K Received: from [71.84.111.152] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:54:12 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBJIGFtIGxvb2tpbmcgdG8gdXBncmFkZSB0aGUgZXhoYXVzdCBvbiBteSAxOTc0IFRSNi4gVGhlIHN0b2NrIGV4aGF1c3QgaXMgd2F5IHRvIHF1aXQuIEkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGxvb2tpbmcgb25saW5lIGFuZCBsaXN0ZW5pbmcgdG8gdGhlIHZpZGVvcyBvbiB5b3V0dWJlLiBJdCBsb29rcyBsaWtlIHRoZSBUb3VyaXN0IFRyb3BoeSBleGhhdXN0IG1pZ2h0IGJlIHF1aWV0ZXN0LCBidXQgSSBhbSBub3Qgc3VyZS4gU2V2ZXJhbCBndXlzIGNvbXBsYWluZWQgdGhhdCB0aGUgTW9uemEgYW5kIEZhbGNvbiABMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Exhausts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking to upgrade the exhaust on my 1974 TR6. The stock exhaust is way to quit. I have been looking online and listening to the videos on youtube. It looks like the Tourist Trophy exhaust might be quietest, but I am not sure. Several guys complained that the Monza and Falcon exhausts were too loud. There are also the Ansa exhausts. Anyone have any valid opinions and experiences? Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive