From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 1 14:55:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA2D4044B for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B194041D for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id ij15so5444670vcb.30 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JdRMaOTZM95WQYGRaNuRcrOsa2p8bomQz4xkOoEiMOQ=; b=ETYnfGzQc1B+UWavq1p5k8bP65cY+f1AfdBh0u7QbSYgbbPBc2i/Ahq2GDab7M2kAI 1JKDLSOopjuE25QkCYbiE2Gk/KyOXsttcD9p5ekwMpXLFjwtPJZRzR8Il9YVbPkTa3cT B1vUWb80m+yjk9/MzmLBHeJGlvABR+C50zvdSxfz8t6m2UtpcRbitkrijvqjCznTXEKU 7SYEuP2qisGg8qx80Kx35K7MkovD1xgjAmip5rqYbBEc5hW/QTnE1k5/AYP9VhkzmAJI 4v4C90FnGAzc5ED3WdwW11ylO+Y882munLYdXdJE3YPWBMyqKacESF+0MOwDF4+j3fU/ Plkw== b19mr2076321veh.27.1380660820982; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.109.67 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:53:40 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] looking for part no. 628012 door lock clip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any know where I can get this part? Usual places show - not available. Any other make use something similar? Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 1 15:38:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780604044A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.254.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15984041D for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.6] helo=mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VR7Z1-0003kC-4u for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VR7Z0-0006gL-IV; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:33:02 -0400 Received: from webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.3]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id XxZ11m01903xsMW01xZ1AL; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:33:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=WmpudYDIhOcA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=rpZ7FfzDWt0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=W3p-qXaBmUxxwdBw484A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=vd_qfs5s5t4A:10 a=u75vdmcSQG8A:10 a=P6/a/9HhigYI3usPxuwpQA==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VR7Yl-0001Pk-EG; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:32:47 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:32:47 -0400 References: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:32:47 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Sujit Roy" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] looking for part no. 628012 door lock clip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just looking in other Rimmer catalogs but it looks similar to DZA943 used on the TR7 TR8. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Any know where I can get this part? Usual places show - not available. Any > other make use something similar? > > Sujit > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 1 16:44:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D0C4044F for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB9D40422 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=rpZ7FfzDWt0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=EV_EYgOtAAAA:8 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=0sXe41xZj77f__589vUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FyaQIZhnAywA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=QQwdnIjnIFsA:10 a=O2n3NsX3aqYA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:32906] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 71/CC-04515-0FF4B425; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:42:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 22:42:56 +0000 From: Randall To: Triumphs , Sujit Roy Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] looking for part no. 628012 door lock clip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Sujit Roy wrote: > Any know where I can get this part? Usual places show - not available. Any > other make use something similar? Would one of these work? http://www.dormanproducts.com/c-277-door-lock-rod-clips.aspx If all else fails, I think a pair of "push nuts" would probably work; but you might have to add a sleeve between them. http://www.mcmaster.com/#push-nuts/=or2vx9 Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 1 16:55:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836AF4044A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA73740422 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:51:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131001225028.CJIA6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11>; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:50:28 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id XyqU1m00B1UBpzb05yqUbU; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:50:28 -0400 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=WmpudYDIhOcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=rpZ7FfzDWt0A:10 a=tpa2s5eWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7niH1zNcco5e53L_x5kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:50:27 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQHXi84kPwi+kfkvXf15y2Gc60ojnpnO2OCw Subject: Re: [TR] looking for part no. 628012 door lock clip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You could try the Au-Ve-Co company (Auto Vehicle Part Co.). They specialize in automotive fasteners, clips, etc. http://www.auveco.com/ Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 4:54 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] looking for part no. 628012 door lock clip Any know where I can get this part? Usual places show - not available. Any other make use something similar? Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 2 17:57:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6898340418 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7235040333 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:57:16 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=m489iaWcu5fvF4JWBy4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=R9qfWI9I29UA:10 a=7-IXPi0L4JAA:10 a=kmYO_72NmWplhSd2U-4A:9 a=3A8Dv_dJDJhMref2:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50343] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 37/C6-17350-882BC425; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:55:52 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:01:57 -0400 Subject: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So now I have a running TR4A in the garage and there is a gas smell who's source is driving me crazy. No visible leaks anywhere. The carburetor bodies are dry.. I don't have air cleaners on in yet but I don't think that could be the source. The filler cap gasket is looking pretty rough but it feels like it is sealing. Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 2 18:46:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508FA40411 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 18:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout12.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout12.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA1E4032B for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 18:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan20.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.20] helo=mailscan20.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VRX2W-0006U0-3W for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:45:12 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan20.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VRX2V-0007x9-Hm; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:45:11 -0400 Received: from authsmtp03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.3]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id YQlB1m00603yUm201QlBuc; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:45:11 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=n8i27M1mAAAA:8 a=lS0MHldHvS4A:10 a=Zd_7g1uvLhcA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6i-doH0YxgC4OvfJvWMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=maIvl2Yd+fJND/e85XqkCw==:117 Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196]:41267 helo=192.168.1.4) by authsmtp03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1VRX2V-000388-86; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:45:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:44:59 -0500 From: Greg Gelhar To: Dave Connitt , triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check around any rubber sections of the fuel line. I have experienced ethanol fuel softening those. While you're at it, look at the fuel pump too. Greg G. Osseo,MN T-Mobile. Americabs First Nationwide 4G Network Dave Connitt wrote: >So now I have a running TR4A in the garage and there is a gas smell who's >source is driving me crazy. No visible leaks anywhere. The carburetor bodies >are dry.. I don't have air cleaners on in yet but I don't think that could be >the source. The filler cap gasket is looking pretty rough but it feels like it >is sealing. >Does anybody have any ideas? >Thanks, >Dave Connitt >'67 TR4A IRS > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 2 19:07:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A55E40408 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298E240078 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YQ1L1m0051bwxycABR4Wga; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:04:30 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YR4W1m00E2xZMJ48eR4WRK; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:04:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 01:04:30 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Dave Connitt s=q20121106; t=1380762270; bh=ACZ1iGTUszI+H2wT6srvoSLv/RTIByeBBI0N+x+tnRw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=lKsXdwYtJ8hQJCoNj+07Fi4agCMl19vwKbENgC9eGEqudocpH+34D79J0LxZfTieg LQ9bI6+JZg/Y4IsiEn0ba/PLiNrCBs2bNWFnY1hEWu6bJ1km+6jr1zytRkrgowFQKQ 6HTkl4WGH3y6OckUYf6KG1zEab0zYUm86IzXQFXAt088Y6IrCKWd+MG152dDN7dWKz 4P+WPxeryF+US3b2/krLBUZ/1sCHQfhUtYPPAL0zranmjI+sRYL+XuS4w6AzWRLewZ 06TttGyHf6o2p/MhS7xnDR7xm/jCEvvEQXL/bhIscWwm87J18Sys38sP3Vk+EEdASp 5TCpXzmK1tLeA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dont forget that old cars direct vent the gas tank to the air. There is a vent tube at the top of the tank that opens under the car to the right of the tank. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Connitt" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:01:57 PM > Subject: [TR] Gas smell > So now I have a running TR4A in the garage and there is a gas smell > who's > source is driving me crazy. No visible leaks anywhere. The carburetor > bodies > are dry.. I don't have air cleaners on in yet but I don't think that > could be > the source. The filler cap gasket is looking pretty rough but it feels > like it > is sealing. > Does anybody have any ideas? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 14:04:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DBC40443 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437AE403F3 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id k14so3020789wgh.1 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:02:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YQ7lC+h5LjbSm4TghIYbno82E0QqGyeKS5hYWOGVP9E=; b=WK6bCpJ/FRPqnSEvgQMMe7g4JdGf6fL5Mha84vYOQ7KyiiU74A898EMkFTuRWGXxNh uzBW7LHcGfD16DJVuCgD+T1ZFLhngT1WslsZGpTwwI6hWgz0WIxj11P0FxAoUetLweOu gYURfxA6kF9qR/DITOsVQb0Kt50o0Aah2d99VMfWNvIpJneQR4bQf/JVEWr8mXHarcVC hJpVzubTnEXc0CfQ2uJ3d2Y1+MNX7FwSQDxmtH0FS8dlt8pZccdSGzInP7Zd66z2JiNf FkwjlSqhXybPXQuWh0X08oeLYMSlO7Yu0/vdW3n2zCFplRbNCogHmTn5hUrfrtM1aB20 ewPg== ge17mr4005307wic.53.1380830579278; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.136.241 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:02:59 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Agree. If you park a car in a garage that has an open fuel system after its well warmed up you will get a strong gas odor. The carb bowls are vented as well and as they absorb heat from the engine the gas fumes will make a good stink. No way around it. Ben...... > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 01:04:30 +0000 (UTC) > From: pethier@comcast.net > To: Dave Connitt > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell > Message-ID: > < > 1956025821.1857214.1380762270220.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dont forget that old cars direct vent the gas tank to the air. There is a > vent tube at the top of the tank that opens under the car to the right of > the tank. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Connitt" > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:01:57 PM > > Subject: [TR] Gas smell > > So now I have a running TR4A in the garage and there is a gas smell > > who's > > source is driving me crazy. No visible leaks anywhere. The carburetor > > bodies > > are dry.. I don't have air cleaners on in yet but I don't think that > > could be > > the source. The filler cap gasket is looking pretty rough but it feels > > like it > > is sealing. > > Does anybody have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Dave Connitt > > '67 TR4A IRS > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Triumphs mailing list > Triumphs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > > End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 352 > **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 16:07:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8158740448 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CAF403E6 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id g17so2000900vbg.28 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:03:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=29QUXCTeY3w1iyLUnVg7/a2DCTaNDRwpsavOMNKnVMQ=; b=rxXxhTfd5Mf4OPUjq6eukgB9ssuifyv5Ao/Yrz7pYrSrP3giiY7d6QukxSoQjHse6W EVlyvNoIO0MQdI2kW2sYukY9Rz2se+5oznqXIm7/ePaH4LyByLrV+QUW3TRt5leJ2Dkk zKkRisbjVGA+geHu04ErHQ32IGRLVeTwPFLJ/HZUMCQLtRkx8kHHBKzTM0087mK8e71H 1ARG+pTItCIICQh7VE/TDVb9ZHoeNuheTjChwthTtaF+H84dykrgozukr4JDnDXXtM0P pM8wRCuw2pe+kbUlL+iJ1fY++/Hk9i1MJ+il3AGCm1AvzD6VRSBvZlEIxAGI9vi+kxpV 1Ufg== ct10mr9504955vcb.14.1380837782823; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.200 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:03:02 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:03:02 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Benjamin Zwissler wrote: > Agree. If you park a car in a garage that has an open fuel system after > its well warmed up you will get a strong gas odor. I park 3 British cars in my garage every day, all have SU &/or ZS carbs and vented tanks yet I get no gas smell. If I were to smell gas I would be looking for a leak. A slow fuel leak can create a big smell w/o showing much in the way of fuel spillage as the fuel may evaporate before presenting any drip or visible accumulation. One way to search for a leak is to wipe about with a brown or blue gas station paper towel -- even a very small amount of fuel will show up as a dark spot on those towels. Wipe around the usual suspects -- carbs, fuel pump, fuel line to hard line connections, etc.). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 19:11:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B5A40537 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000E3403E6 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id Yp6m1m0032QmmGk01p6mm7; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 18:06:47 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumphs" References: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:06:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm with george. no gas smell in my garage except when there is a leak. 3 to 4 lbc's (well one is an ljc - little japanese car) -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 5:03 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Benjamin Zwissler wrote: > Agree. If you park a car in a garage that has an open fuel system after > its well warmed up you will get a strong gas odor. I park 3 British cars in my garage every day, all have SU &/or ZS carbs and vented tanks yet I get no gas smell. If I were to smell gas I would be looking for a leak. A slow fuel leak can create a big smell w/o showing much in the way of fuel spillage as the fuel may evaporate before presenting any drip or visible accumulation. One way to search for a leak is to wipe about with a brown or blue gas station paper towel -- even a very small amount of fuel will show up as a dark spot on those towels. Wipe around the usual suspects -- carbs, fuel pump, fuel line to hard line connections, etc.). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 00:04:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFA840450 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:04:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.netspeed.com.au (mail.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263BC40419 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:04:21 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=61.69.24.215; Received: from mcmasterb0b98c (unverified [61.69.24.215]) by netspeed.com.au (SurgeMail 6.3c2) with ESMTP id 4427008-1928045 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:02:39 +1000 From: "John McMaster" To: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:02:52 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac7Ax1y921XVbM0aTnqfvqHNg5P5Iw== Subject: [TR] SPITFIRE NUMBER PLATE LIGHT HELP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, I have a Dolomite project car that has a different centre bumper section than standard meaning the original number plate light assembly (same as the TR6) won't fit. The bumper I have has 2 holes about 1inch diameter with a 1/4 inch notch cut out at the back (looks like a locator tab). I think that Spitfire 1500 (UK Spec) used a pair of single "bubble" lights with chrome surrounds that I think would fit. Rimmer Bros has them listed as UKC7274. Does any one have these style of lights fitted and if so, what size hole do they mount in and does it have a tab? Any assistance appreciated - I don't want to trash my very expensive re-chromed wrong bumper! Thanks John Mc "Fast is First" 71 TR6 PI 76 Dolomite 1850 76 Dolomite Sprint V6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 05:44:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC8140512 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 05:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245EA400AD for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 05:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id rd3so4025831pab.32 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:43:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gGfFIsKdyaKPA0MIHnd6bndhOysCkVMObDGUzWpBn9I=; b=xSHuQWRafT3ELwQbC7PxZA07e6yaA3T9m64xwDkXHjssdAWe6Iu4+CXtVxo3uQWRVx g70HNv5QX7QItdfMkWwnu92ZX2b//tyByURSJ6gEqimgYIHkO3F4vHbRGaYeJ94P5Pdq M+QPMzw2qhma1Rj8NFR1O+eVrarVCK0jXhOMYxcecV5aHjEVrIZEPH5t7Y6UkzqS2jBo wdMEk2KuMllwQZZxImXcY2E4VKyQhDv/4Xcg582DUX5onSRGzz3P/fmDok9iIvabJOM8 efvHWuIdvwlSiEhKfLGGDjBI8hedy9tElk8KUmjm8hN27mNgFZylh/hsDUg7verkQ1PS bXvg== ku8mr15187928pab.121.1380886995622; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.50.231 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 04:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:43:15 -0400 From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net, wisejohna@gmail.com Subject: [TR] Wire wheel - suggestions for tire service in Daytona area Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the wire wheel question has not been answered yet (I read my digests in batches and am frequently a few days behind), I would suggest that a source for wire wheel information (tire stores that can mount them, etc.) might be at GrassRoots Motorspeorts Magazine (and their sister publication - Classic Motorsports). They just happen to be in Ormund Beach/ Holly Hill area. I've been a subscriber for a decade or more and they have made mention of people dropping by their offices and I do vaguely remember some articles in the past dealing with vehicles with wire wheels and where they had the tire service done. Since I have not had an LBC with wire wheels in the past 20 yrs, I did not pay any attention to that portion of the articles. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Wise To: car discussion Sports Triumph Cc: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:38:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3A Tires What is the current list wisdom for the best choice of tires for a'60 TR3A that has wire wheels? I live in Ormond Beach Florida and usually drive the car to go shopping, to meetings, car shows, and occasionally to the university where I teach which involves 6 miles on I-95, as my students often ask very nicely about seeing the car. :-) And by any WILD chance, does anyone know of a good shop in the Daytona Beach area that can handle wire wheels? Thanks John John A. Wise, Ph.D., CPE The Wise Group, LLC Ormond Beach, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 10:07:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D234006C for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ED44006C for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MartinPC ([unknown] [74.96.91.192]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MU500G1HJCHVK60@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 11:05:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Martin Secrest" To: References: Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 12:05:49 -0400 Subject: [TR] Looking for late GT6/Spitfire Axle Assembly Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey folks, if anyone has a good condition GT6-3 or late ('73-'80) Spitfire rear axle assembly, I'm in the market for one. It's a long story but the left half-shaft assembly in my '73 GT6 is toast. I need the LEFT axle, with flanges and the hub, basically everything except the brake parts. Just PM me at moira.secrest@verizon.net. I'm hoping for an axle with good bearings (no roughness or play) that I can squeeze another 20 or 30k miles out of. Thanks. -- Martin Secrest Arlington, VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 13:45:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FDE40453 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 13:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A34403FE for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 13:44:47 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Sdoho6Rry_MA:10 a=Fe5Bf6bsxeOc_nMU8moA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=OTcCppIJFnkSq4vJIb4A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:53341] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C9/50-22463-45A1F425; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:43:17 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:43:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7BOfZXuThIG9DuTne39Q+iZogBfw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm now into my fourth hi torque starter in 12 years. Each one of them went south due to corrosion buildup in the solenoid region first, then more corrosion in the gear area. It looks like it doesn't drain water very well. One came from TRF, one from Moss and one from TSI. The one arriving today is from BPNW. All failed after two or so years of use (12 mo warranty, of course). I missed TRFest this year because of the damned thing. Anybody else have problems with them? Johnnie '67 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 14:18:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193144041C for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432CC403FE for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:18:13 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=KfYLXsKEmnsA:10 a=B6pOt9Z0y-0A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eZb8MvICREgA:10 a=SFYlT3qgIvwPHJZpw_4A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:52047] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/FF-21491-B222F425; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 20:16:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:16:58 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: John & Pat Donnelly References: <000701cec139$f7a4c370$e6ee4a50$@rr.com> Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, Never had the need. The starter on the 58 is a bullet original sans new brushes and turning down the commutator. The starter on the 63 4 is original with new brushes only. As far as I can tell the starter on the 72 6 is original. Since I dont start in winter, no need for high torque. Cars usually start on the 2nd or 3rd turn when cold. I would look at getting a rebuilt Lucas starter. I cant understand how moisture could get at the solenoid or other parts. Must be a poor design. I have never seen corrosion in any Lucas starter I have serviced. I see TR4 type starters on Ebay from time to time. Bob On 10/04/2013 03:43 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > I'm now into my fourth hi torque starter in 12 years. Each one of them went > south due to corrosion buildup in the solenoid region first, then more > corrosion in the gear area. It looks like it doesn't drain water very well. > One came from TRF, one from Moss and one from TSI. The one arriving today is > from BPNW. All failed after two or so years of use (12 mo warranty, of > course). > > I missed TRFest this year because of the damned thing. Anybody else have > problems with them? > > Johnnie > > '67 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 14:44:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E6040519 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29535403FE for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131004204231.BVUI10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:42:31 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Z8iX1m0031UBpzb058iXBj; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:42:31 -0400 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=B6pOt9Z0y-0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=eZb8MvICREgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=aUj1guqJDHVDoKNZK2UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'John & Pat Donnelly'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <000701cec139$f7a4c370$e6ee4a50$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:42:30 -0400 Thread-Index: AQEfglyvSckwApwHial4hLA4LgxfE5tDfhrw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net With all of the oil that seems to seep from our cars, I'm surprised that corrosion is an issue. Is it salt related? Our cars get put away for the winter before any salt gets applied to the roads so I guess we don't have that issue. We have a gear reduction starter that came from Gustafson Machine and it is now about ten years old. Never had a problem until about a month ago when we didn't even get a click from it when restarting a hot engine. Later in the day (after the CT TR Register show), it worked fine. I'll need to look at the entire starter insulated circuit to see what's up. Our old Lucas starter had wiped-out bushings and the armature shaft was well worn where it sits in the bushings. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John & Pat Donnelly Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:43 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems I'm now into my fourth hi torque starter in 12 years. Each one of them went south due to corrosion buildup in the solenoid region first, then more corrosion in the gear area. It looks like it doesn't drain water very well. One came from TRF, one from Moss and one from TSI. The one arriving today is from BPNW. All failed after two or so years of use (12 mo warranty, of course). I missed TRFest this year because of the damned thing. Anybody else have problems with them? Johnnie '67 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 15:19:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FFD40510 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2545403FE for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobDell (69.0.39.117.adsl.snet.net [69.0.39.117]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lx8eP-1Vugz6133x-016iz9; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 17:17:52 -0400 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , "'Triumphs'" References: <000701cec139$f7a4c370$e6ee4a50$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:17:52 -0400 aRv3K6HPNy0u58/rOwsM89L10Fm50+OStvUTSvprC2p+GpdtVN svUE8lu8Y4fYPU8BxhHIU1GjjHZLjx56OAX6f6EfTKyno3xquD X7kCpkF2dfNGzh734HYGLCsWKaq99ia0JVyo6rbv9w3oMYnu7g gGVGqsOm8HU0nsNMrDSrzAfi/IPv1dO9m0CRouI/1Vu8hk7PsN 0DcKThMadFVCIFKe4AOeRaKr8H5zZWvBElSjAC2KQDyvF5MMFE DyxrqCSeN6v3bkfFhPD9CkcJ+k99V1+6tBLwz9t+ZIVVCEoNcP BKh0BeEj62KdyHnBGBZYwj4NooNpdGRjJqlSsv56h Subject: Re: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm into 6 full years with the one from Ted at TSI...... Haven't heard anything from the 6-Pack guys about the problems you're having. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: John & Pat Donnelly Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:43 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems I'm now into my fourth hi torque starter in 12 years. Each one of them went south due to corrosion buildup in the solenoid region first, then more corrosion in the gear area. It looks like it doesn't drain water very well. One came from TRF, one from Moss and one from TSI. The one arriving today is from BPNW. All failed after two or so years of use (12 mo warranty, of course). I missed TRFest this year because of the damned thing. Anybody else have problems with them? Johnnie '67 TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 4 15:28:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3E40519 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771D3403FE for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eZb8MvICREgA:10 a=5cKU4GfwXekjvaj7-xkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:36055] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id BC/53-02700-F823F425; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 21:26:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 21:26:39 +0000 From: Randall To: 'Triumphs' , John & Pat Donnelly Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Hi Torque Starters - Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I missed TRFest this year because of the damned thing. Anybody else have > problems with them? FWIW, I recently started having trouble with the one I bought back in 2001, after I got thoroughly frustrated with trying to keep the possibly original starter going on my TR3A. (It failed twice in a row on long trips, first on the way to VTR 2000 and then on the way home from 2001; both times over 500 miles from home.) But after disassembly, I don't believe my problem was corrosion. The top level problem was that the connector to the solenoid was no longer snug, and would sometimes not make good contact. But I discovered that the motor bearings were also completely shot, and the armature was starting to drag on the pole pieces. What little grease remained in the gearbox was dried and hard. I'm not certain, but I attribute the bearing damage and grease condition to excess heat from the exhaust (which passes very close to the solenoid on a TR3). I robbed the armature from another starter, someday soon I'll see if I can source replacement bearings. I also added a sheet metal heat shield, which might help. But it never snows here, and rarely rains, so in general I have a lot less trouble with corrosion than other parts of the country. In your case, it might be worth trying to add some sealing against water entry (mine showed no signs of being sealed at all). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 5 13:46:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595C642E09 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 13:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-04.shaw.ca (smtp-out-04.shaw.ca [64.59.134.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14CF42C04 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 13:45:56 -0600 (MDT) cv=/24PZDiXryEUsaYH72AX4ulVzqSXihAXfE7Ql5lDP0I= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=4Q6HBbdW1emqG1Rr1IhTmw==:17 a=-Tnn8UNM6MXpbsMEMmYA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=-N2RpdMbtkUA:10 a=SysHGgBI3GwA:10 a=uN-9uTaOrm1xi8cz4noA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=z6yM9R1SjvsA:10 a=3A8Dv_dJDJhMref2:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO British) ([24.71.140.216]) by smtp-out-04.shaw.ca with SMTP; 05 Oct 2013 13:44:21 -0600 From: "Len Drake" To: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 12:44:24 -0700 Subject: [TR] Stag steering rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi - I am looking for a Stag steering rack. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Len Drake ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 10 14:51:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AB240326 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABA940356 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r9AKajuW017513 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:37:10 -0700 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9882) id dm0226.52532572.8697f for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:37:10 -0700 From: Robert Jones Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:37:09 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-10-10_06:2013-10-10,2013-10-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=15 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1310100098 Subject: [TR] Contact Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Al Salvatore, if you are still out there, please give me a good e-mail address and send to : rjones@wfeca.net. i need to ask you a question about polishing. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 08:13:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB27D42F1F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F2C40528 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2013 14:12:08 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2013 14:12:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2013 14:12:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381500728; bh=z6jx2lqXdTeR7CINpByUBpepr8bZvP3Lx6m6r7vnvgw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Gaw4EUj4SkZanzcPE95razIDZjQObgD0DIyjWKTJkb3OtT7JYYGsZreteKgS3uaHPh7O1yi1rGBI4+3Uh+9Ie5Evyc1OyAa0otkQiw9NbyLNybkiJRC31esB8JPlB/hyenjQaoW95HypWXKw9RrKkFWW8NSauVgE0GVWCxHVmpo= TgHVw6nzBf9LH23c02ukR0U9dhRzYfqIcNES_sZf5uO.Og_XahP.E_bHYHNl bxKxKYRaU1WzUU3iTcEKi39h0hoLNykG0k5AGam5rGIlAnkENJaqSn2ZeT97 OQfedlgafIuW127cOyZcwBmMzf4ceRzclqEvae5SDB.7vzy8cAhsXhT0AZ8_ ajWZUScFjH2HNjY8ftQUdPU_AElF1G11STWb9JJsfdc8jHprA5QRUgyKKUlg jU6LA1Zed8gyFG02Er_5Ih_eQvkpN.voLGThU8GtBMqfGnkji5zMPEwFmFGS YnPQMQYVzI1p_SwA7WEGzERtqR7wbSPey5az9oD01qS0pbNstRZ5413hdCSv s4PrvfluePv3lbjcpP9f1GsiUKLZacMRrlPrtyKtThlW5_HaDm_BBJ.sKgBO slHaXsyCevfQYUs20FNdFQ3q9GOsCz_2CFp55.g1HNM4qay1FKdAqbIcxbpX WRd5QleclfIWErfjvQfgrCzpoXv12Pb3E7ONp9BUxtPIzxDfUZqafvRbjL2v LkcFelRfhQ9BtJYBUxPmt9YY3io9.xpCRCZjnUo7O3ELaLTlOwHJr0E7Z9YN L74.KVP4T.Wjfvug4ztSoo8psMJ4DlZZ._hs- smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2013 14:12:07 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:12:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7Gi904YBeQUd3dT7u34ElRkw/Dmw== Subject: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Watching the CBS morning news show with Charlie Rose & Co., they had Bob Schieffer on and were talking about the day of the Kennedy assassination. Please no political or theory comments, Bob was a reporter at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram at the time and he said one of the many phone calls he took that afternoon turned out to be from Lee Oswald's mother who needed a ride to Dallas. Now to the TR content: Schieffer said, "I had a Triumph sports car, just a two-seater, so my editor drove in his car while I sat in the back with Mrs. Oswald" (this is a very close paraphrase). So, in November of 1963 CBS correspondent Bob Schieffer had a Triumph, most likely at TR3 or new TR4. Anyone else catch this? Anyone know anything of the car he owned? (Maybe the Red River guys have it squirreled away somewhere?) Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 09:31:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159EF42F29 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:31:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B14040440 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e13so2849526vbg.31 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4S9ytQD4fuU+wh2HLYwPfqvCh0qKedoPBspVKeqG1cA=; b=BU9I8LONpzSnY+W/n44l31V2wcDyjkk8T58Yud4WPTdD+3APeFOBUI94kYdnoNocXk kVguN81PVK6fV+kyy78X5lWk68kRXw72bb5VHfq2Ygx8Buvrb/Oam08JnVvM5Cmy87Xs 6rUPP4ayF3WIfU9UZQHWi2T9o/44TgOW59M5kzY3c+ueYFqtljUcbGXkhXOrrWdflQ4X SRw20xfkKLgqsvE4SfbOFpw729s1aT3oAm6CNU19jraHySQSaiF3gHR0uRQqrrvZ7A2e 7Ifo7ZAXNuLXmhF1reh9G48LjnaSXsIbr2DlNw+eiJi2xiUX5k9M+t/dbZkLJTzQaUX6 9c/A== eg2mr18116822vdb.24.1381502481685; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:41:21 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Wbeech@flash.net" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The incident is recounted in more detail in Bob's book *This Just In*. Geo On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:12 AM, wrote: > Watching the CBS morning news show with Charlie Rose & Co., they had Bob > Schieffer on and were talking about the day of the Kennedy assassination. > Please no political or theory comments, Bob was a reporter at the Fort > Worth > Star-Telegram at the time and he said one of the many phone calls he took > that afternoon turned out to be from Lee Oswald's mother who needed a ride > to Dallas. > > Now to the TR content: Schieffer said, "I had a Triumph sports car, just a > two-seater, so my editor drove in his car while I sat in the back with Mrs. > Oswald" (this is a very close paraphrase). So, in November of 1963 CBS > correspondent Bob Schieffer had a Triumph, most likely at TR3 or new TR4. > Anyone else catch this? Anyone know anything of the car he owned? (Maybe > the Red River guys have it squirreled away somewhere?) > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "Keep Calm and Carry On > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 09:31:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EAF42F37 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7974054B for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bq4E1m00T0lTkoCA7qq0o5; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:50:00 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bqq01m00N2xZMJ48Qqq0oy; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:50:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:50:00 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: wbeech@flash.net s=q20121106; t=1381503000; bh=iB3jeok294Eb91zWRXu2XGW/dX6Q2oVCTKBARg/xHW4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=j9jiEM9yGcan+c9jAg1yvKfqdSZn0SWWwL/+dhFekvuxDyiapdlddtvpsnDDItoR9 AejC9pjeH5/aIDG1UKHPHM3mtMS/cXxCf1+4EpUMS9VGMtGVkCGGWPXRuReoSy9CPC MzasxV5hiKXrv91t6OaZBMdH/Y4SEkDQ88wlUYVhvjSmzFtezrmKGUwNjOEtnOXL5C /KTJpXAN6CbBmKvHEsyF5IOrFYfKkn/xnww5jwBKszNGZOp4clo0tlfBEmbfR+lvC6 ywQozKxKPpP4xuFAspLJpaqn8P/lMtsB8HMItL4LKAJ3TnYSZXQVooSXkehVboVoXB Z2UAufntl7dPg== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm guessing he didn't make a lot of money then and the car was a TR3. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: wbeech@flash.net > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:12:08 AM > Subject: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? > Watching the CBS morning news show with Charlie Rose & Co., they had > Bob > Schieffer on and were talking about the day of the Kennedy > assassination. > Please no political or theory comments, Bob was a reporter at the Fort > Worth > Star-Telegram at the time and he said one of the many phone calls he > took > that afternoon turned out to be from Lee Oswald's mother who needed a > ride > to Dallas. > > Now to the TR content: Schieffer said, "I had a Triumph sports car, > just a > two-seater, so my editor drove in his car while I sat in the back with > Mrs. > Oswald" (this is a very close paraphrase). So, in November of 1963 CBS > correspondent Bob Schieffer had a Triumph, most likely at TR3 or new > TR4. > Anyone else catch this? Anyone know anything of the car he owned? > (Maybe > the Red River guys have it squirreled away somewhere?) > > Bill > > Bill Beecher ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 09:57:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3535742F0D for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BF842EFC for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id b13so3616997wgh.27 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:56:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Ee9TtmNhdta0Vlk4iZ+l6+OnWDWBVhM7W6f5vjh0i34=; b=vZYYVr1kk5G8gwNV/H0H+IXuY1/1Wq12I+lBq4ByhHFIdqBGRYz28sUQGlX9rU6SuS CqerIsIslHKV7THpUyVBJe7H12ff5RBO+4KidgCC84SpjCyXu8Rd1mAve7XfvbylgeSK AtsUk9oEksYo5UYykplbrKyyY1wm/FnJydjfv68fRyHYY5FqBLYc9r60hxUqI/e/BC8E 6lXVh8ezToDsg6tTmCVSwYi2rExpoV39C26hkBnp4nZZ8DNYLBrvcSUaYJhvjcJYkZ2+ W2GCG0CMUc9YBBrK+7vv8rTSbmcF7aKE75dzVZsQqMjy2mA/EyEYpx1ekX6sEGJRMDbS UxKA== lw8mr17943746wjb.40.1381506578797; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:49:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <1595444085.1988028.1381503000348.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:49:18 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Walter Cronkite, fellow CBS newsman later in Bob Schieffer's career, and one who doubtlessly did make a fair living, was a well-known TR3 driver (and occasional racer). There's a good photo of Uncle Walter and his TR3 in Mike Cook's "Triumph Cars in America", p43. And an update on another Cronkite car, a 1972 TR6, here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/16/4415189/doc-morey-restored-the-triumph.html On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:50 AM, wrote: > I'm guessing he didn't make a lot of money then and the car was a TR3. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: wbeech@flash.net > > To: "Triumphs" > > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:12:08 AM > > Subject: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? > > Watching the CBS morning news show with Charlie Rose & Co., they had > > Bob > > Schieffer on and were talking about the day of the Kennedy > > assassination. > > Please no political or theory comments, Bob was a reporter at the Fort > > Worth > > Star-Telegram at the time and he said one of the many phone calls he > > took > > that afternoon turned out to be from Lee Oswald's mother who needed a > > ride > > to Dallas. > > > > Now to the TR content: Schieffer said, "I had a Triumph sports car, > > just a > > two-seater, so my editor drove in his car while I sat in the back with > > Mrs. > > Oswald" (this is a very close paraphrase). So, in November of 1963 CBS > > correspondent Bob Schieffer had a Triumph, most likely at TR3 or new > > TR4. > > Anyone else catch this? Anyone know anything of the car he owned? > > (Maybe > > the Red River guys have it squirreled away somewhere?) > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Beecher > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 14:31:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFDB42F33 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFC442F36 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id BDT7zIA6tx0Sahpo for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:23:20 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:23:19 -0700 Thread-Topic: Dave Massey Thread-Index: Ac7Gvqr/24w/QAxXR9SRLPB4xjgr1w== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] Dave Massey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to bomb the list, but... Dave Massey, can you contact me off-list? Its about your grill, tech wants to talk to you. Thanx, Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 14:41:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA0342F35 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6B6429B9 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:39:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=LUUYXfgvumy3FGo52w5X8LJVwO4LKLDnuKf8YT7sAmn8DTnr3E3oXICYZmXU0zwC; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VUj9w-0003Ck-To; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:18:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:18:04 -0500 From: Pat Fischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Dave Connitt References: <1301A94952F94F16A86AB4760543B53A@DaveLaptop> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gas smell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On my 250 there is a portion of the fuel line under the rear of the car with a small length of rubber hose connecting two longer metal pipes. I guess maybe they did that for flex/vibration purposes. Several years back my garage was filling with gas fumes that I couldn't find the source of. Pushed the car outside and a day later the leak was enough for a small spot on the driveway. The frustrating part of this is that it can leak and evaporate at about the same rate, so there's no dripping for awhile. Drained the gas tank and a friend helped me install a new length of rubber hose. Could this be your problem? Pat On 10/2/2013 7:01 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > So now I have a running TR4A in the garage and there is a gas smell who's > source is driving me crazy. No visible leaks anywhere. The carburetor bodies > are dry.. I don't have air cleaners on in yet but I don't think that could be > the source. The filler cap gasket is looking pretty rough but it feels like it > is sealing. > Does anybody have any ideas? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pfischer@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 15:18:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16FA42F41 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mlr-cld.ties2.net (mail.npd.ties2.net [204.169.20.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064EC42EF6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mlr-cld.ties2.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mlr-cld.ties2.net (mlr-cld.ties2.net) with ESMTP id 50829201310 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:18:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (174-20-108-114.mpls.qwest.net [174.20.108.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jdemuth) by mlr-cld.ties2.net (mlr-cld.ties2.net) with ESMTPSA id 2AD12201302 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:18:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe DeMuth Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:18:30 -0500 To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Trunk is stuck shut Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 17:14:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D763D42F19 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4AC40417 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:14:07 -0600 (MDT) a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=zB9c-D_oiokA:10 a=j-Lc-XSkEkgA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=6hnHkqgl2rMA:10 a=uLhC9aX8AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=DLXO72i6AAAA:8 a=AFAgp7RTAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=p49KkXfKDm1VGUdshUcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=3yDiiFBzsX4A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:50561] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 48/AF-01471-03688525; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 23:13:52 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Don Hiscock" , "Triumphs" References: <1595444085.1988028.1381503000348.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:14:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A few years ago a faded red TR3A showed up at The Roadster Factory's Summer Party in pretty much an original condition. It was very well worn but driven from somewhere in NY to Pa. It had a CBS Labs sticker on the window I think, maybe the bumper. The speculation was that it could have been Walter Cronkite's TR 3 as he was know to have one at some point. No documentation at all but a good story. The car had not been touched in a long time and was very "original" Even the tires were old. Brave driver. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:49 AM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? Walter Cronkite, fellow CBS newsman later in Bob Schieffer's career, and one who doubtlessly did make a fair living, was a well-known TR3 driver (and occasional racer). There's a good photo of Uncle Walter and his TR3 in Mike Cook's "Triumph Cars in America", p43. And an update on another Cronkite car, a 1972 TR6, here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/16/4415189/doc-morey-restored-the-triumph.html On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:50 AM, wrote: > I'm guessing he didn't make a lot of money then and the car was a TR3. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: wbeech@flash.net > > To: "Triumphs" > > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:12:08 AM > > Subject: [TR] Celebrity Triumph? > > Watching the CBS morning news show with Charlie Rose & Co., they had > > Bob > > Schieffer on and were talking about the day of the Kennedy > > assassination. > > Please no political or theory comments, Bob was a reporter at the Fort > > Worth > > Star-Telegram at the time and he said one of the many phone calls he > > took > > that afternoon turned out to be from Lee Oswald's mother who needed a > > ride > > to Dallas. > > > > Now to the TR content: Schieffer said, "I had a Triumph sports car, > > just a > > two-seater, so my editor drove in his car while I sat in the back with > > Mrs. > > Oswald" (this is a very close paraphrase). So, in November of 1963 CBS > > correspondent Bob Schieffer had a Triumph, most likely at TR3 or new > > TR4. > > Anyone else catch this? Anyone know anything of the car he owned? > > (Maybe > > the Red River guys have it squirreled away somewhere?) > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Beecher > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 17:59:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3590D42F24 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop1.greatbasin.net (pop103.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB4403F8 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1b-182.gbis.net [207.228.61.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop1.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9BNtBNX020368 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:55:12 -0700 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:55:04 -0700 Subject: [TR] pdwa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ibve got this here TVR b stay with me now, itbs got TR6 brakes. Being a TVR, its system isnbt like whatbs shown in the catalogues, so Ibm looking for someone who has or knows of a TR6 thatbs available for parts, specifically the PDWA switch and valve assembly. Any kind soul who can help, please contact me direct at skip47@gbis.com or 775-575-6996 (NV east of Reno). Many thanks. Skip Gurnee 64 TR4 b my first car bought in 1963 66 TR4A 67 Lotus Cortina 90 Jeep Cherokee b tow car for the TVR 99 Mercury Tracer b 30+ mpg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 12 18:56:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E8B42F6F for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4BA42A51 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS13 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:55:43 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:56:06 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:56:06 -0700 FILETIME=[F1F2EF30:01CEC7AE] Subject: [TR] tr6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I won't go into why, but I need to change my head gasket on the TR6. The head is stuck - what's new, right? I tried the rope trick. I know I had enough rope in the right cylinders, 3&4, because I could not push the car past TDC on those cylinders. I tried a leveraging trick - engine lift eyes against the manifold studs and the auxiliary oil passage nut - nope. OK, tried to pull the studs. I double nutted with two head nuts. If I get them tight enough so both won't turn, I don't have enough strength to pull the wrench on the bottom nut to move it at all! Yes, I have checked, nothing is still attached. Yes, I have sprayed with an assortment of stuff: PB Blaster, Liquid wrench, even a new product that freezes as it applies a penetrant. Suggestion? Please answer direct to me as well since I am on digest version. HELP & thanks... Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 13 13:12:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD05042F75 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3829B4044E for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo305 ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131013191144.ZRQT3871.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo305> for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:11:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([68.102.188.186]) by eastrmimpo305 with cox id cjBj1m00B41kCY401jBjg0; Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:11:44 -0400 a=h9rF95GeLltkpMuadUVPJA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=9rkmLlkF_bcA:10 a=dHuIgEO7yz9sTDlm1O4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=tnVZxG0Nxl4A:10 a=hl2B2bfa6jwA:10 a=h9rF95GeLltkpMuadUVPJA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=fmags@cox.net From: Frank Magnusson Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:11:43 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Cc: "peterara@msn.com" Subject: [TR] Re. TR6head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Peter, I had the same problem on my Stag with the inlet manifold. I ended up buying an engine hoist and chained it to the manifold and lifted it enough just to put the manifold,under some tension. Then Tapped around the manifold lightly with a mallet or hammer and that broke,it loose. Same thing should work on the head. Just don't put so much tension on it that when it breaks loose it flys apart and damages you or the car. Hope this helps, Frank Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 02:53:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF20942F36 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAF142F36 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS15 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 13 Oct 2013 18:34:06 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 18:34:30 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 18:34:30 -0700 FILETIME=[79194710:01CEC87D] Subject: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to thank all who have so far tried to help me with my problem. I have tried almost all that was suggested: I have double checked and nothing remains attached, I have cranked the motor over with plugs in, I have tried the rope trick by both hand pushing the car and bumping the starter, I have tried the various suggestions of prying at various points and ways, I have applied heat, I have pulled the manifold studs, I have been soaking for a day and a half with various penetrants as well as one that freezes as it applies its penetrant. I have not tried a couple of methods: Jonmac's factory method of clamping head and block with wood and striking, paraffin, or engine hoist. Still stuck. I have tried double nutting the studs, but cannot get the nuts tight enough together to turn the stud before turning each other. I have been using two head nuts and cannot torque to full spec, 80 ft lbs, before feeling the give of the top nut and the beginnings of buggering the threads of the studs. I will be getting some grade 8 jam nuts in the hopes that getting a bigger bite of the stud on the nut will enable me to get them tighter together. All seven studs on the right side and one on the left are still stuck. My friends here are going to call their friends in shops for more help and advice, before I end up having it towed to a shop. Any and all additional suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Direct please, I am on digest version. Thanks, Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 03:03:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B57842F6F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 03:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF614040B for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 03:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131014023619709.GEGC13280@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:36:19 +0000 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=LJlLIJHriFYA:10 a=mfkmobwMp8LWLieyXZoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mJv1vQJP4AYA:10 a=WCCyp9dljQIA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=y_xeS5TQCZmXK1qwWo0A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:52282] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/4A-15855-7645B525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:18:16 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:18:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Ig6J+X4Kc9JuFRHePVkwXOOuI5A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Any VTR - TFest Pics? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A last minute breakdown prevented me from going. I was bummed. Can somebody help a poor soul get a little fix by sharing some pictures? Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 08:19:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E63442798 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3924540436 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:18:53 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=QfhDjqIZGEUA:10 a=6YMCGAe7U9FfyCeFUy4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qh4WN58RqD6mN-aC:21 a=yZFwJXOyq4ct8vsR:21 a=0bwPlpDAAAAA:8 a=DGXoIHkDGm-kqN38e1oA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=Sn5pccHPoM4tkXXo:21 a=UaPNjwitrxUOlyl0:21 a=DSdLzA0MAfJcYCDj:18 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55007] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 38/12-23147-04DFB525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:18:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Peter Arakelian'" , "'Listers'" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:18:45 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7IuvryjXQaF++eR/2rt+CtAYKDpgAKBlqA Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My friends here are going to call their friends in shops for > more help and > advice, before I end up having it towed to a shop. > Any and all additional suggestions or comments would be > appreciated. Has the head moved at all? Or is it still firmly against the block along the entire length? If you managed to lift one end at all (even 1/16"), then it may be bound up against the studs and you need to drive that end back down while you concentrate on doing the same thing to the other end. That is what happened when I tried to use a hoist to lift a TR3 head off of the studs. The head bound on the studs and lifted the car off the ground, even though it came free and came right off once I set the car down and drove the lifted end back down. Also, I think you mentioned packing rope into #5 and #6, but that would not be correct. You want to use #1 and #6 as they come to TDC at the same time. Turn the engine backwards as far as it will go, and then use the starter to spin it forward. You'll probably have to repeat this dozens of times to see any movement at all. Here are some more extreme suggestions, but probably it would be better to let a shop tackle it: 1) Use an arc welder to pass enough current through the studs to get them hot. You can also weld a nut to the stud at the same time to get a firmer grip without relying on the stud threads. 2) Build a tool similar to that used by the TR7 & Stag folks to remove recalcitrant heads. This is basically a large (and heavy) weldment that bolts to the head on both sides, and has large set screws that bear against the top of the studs. Offhand, I'm not sure where you would mount to a TR6 head on the LH side, the spark plug holes are the only threads on that side that I can think of. As a side comment, this is a very common problem with the TR7 and Stag motors; and it is not uncommon to find motors that have been destroyed by unsuccessful attempts to remove the head(s). Reportedly the above tool works a treat, even when other methods fail. 3), which I plan to try if I ever get that far down my todo list, to build a home EDM (electrical discharge machining) machine and use it to cut the studs out of the head. There have been several sets of plans published in Home Shop Machinist (reprints are available from Village Press). Basically, you need a drive mechanism that will advance a section of brass tubing under "computer" control, through the center of the stud; plus a power supply that will generate several hundred volts of DC without being damaged by a short circuit. The logic circuit monitors the voltage and advances the tool when the voltage is high, retracts it when the voltage is low. Each time it moves, the resulting spark removes a tiny piece of metal from the stud. A small pump circulates fluid through the center of the tube and a catch basin around the stud, to carry away the tiny bits. It's a very slow process (hence the need for automation), but will cut anything that will conduct (eg hardened steel) without wandering. The classic example is cutting a gear-shaped hole through a file. Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Head removal tool 3.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 08:39:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B9A42F83 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B56403E8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id lc6so4701868vcb.1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uysbxZBgqmasLok/kt1jWCGrrYbJwgalTos+rLr8r8s=; b=0nubyD0ZfprOVku+Tp/xDoVIcvR7kQVNTqXvrA/+S9dy5geV8TIfpUXApxB5EF1au6 WXgBRtVcOxlUlBWDYUIBYeoGRwNdjaYLLIEmGxUrykrNGffbrUyCJ7hDW2aiRTBCTH2w G6IqjMOpukVXXM7yj7BeQoSKgGKlrBY+tH/p/w5q7PLB1TVGtEn47o9JdOIv8NZaKAF7 oJnsoOSaf0ab4TvLppyf7+il9j5UGawXyPcbxPYhWSq2xT+I6BrKUldpSz+E44oF2DKP lYtai6YiL77e1MTksJGjPtXe5T5vt30ZVstGyukm0na4eHDlnhm4AvuwU+u08EUlRn6q fRXQ== ct10mr35532004vcb.14.1381761560884; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <38.12.23147.04DFB525@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:39:20 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Listers Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As an aside -- my technique for avoiding a stuck head is to blow a head gasket, get a valve job, break a piston ring, drop a screw down a spark plug hole, etc. once every 4 years or so. That pretty much guarantees that the head will come free with the side bonus that your elapsed time to R&R the thing will get quite good. Geo On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Randall wrote: > > My friends here are going to call their friends in shops for > > more help and > > advice, before I end up having it towed to a shop. > > Any and all additional suggestions or comments would be > > appreciated. > > Has the head moved at all? Or is it still firmly against the block along > the entire length? If you managed to lift one end at all > (even 1/16"), then it may be bound up against the studs and you need to > drive that end back down while you concentrate on doing the > same thing to the other end. That is what happened when I tried to use a > hoist to lift a TR3 head off of the studs. The head bound > on the studs and lifted the car off the ground, even though it came free > and came right off once I set the car down and drove the > lifted end back down. > > Also, I think you mentioned packing rope into #5 and #6, but that would > not be correct. You want to use #1 and #6 as they come to > TDC at the same time. Turn the engine backwards as far as it will go, and > then use the starter to spin it forward. You'll probably > have to repeat this dozens of times to see any movement at all. > > Here are some more extreme suggestions, but probably it would be better to > let a shop tackle it: > > 1) Use an arc welder to pass enough current through the studs to get them > hot. You can also weld a nut to the stud at the same time > to get a firmer grip without relying on the stud threads. > > 2) Build a tool similar to that used by the TR7 & Stag folks to remove > recalcitrant heads. This is basically a large (and heavy) > weldment that bolts to the head on both sides, and has large set screws > that bear against the top of the studs. Offhand, I'm not > sure where you would mount to a TR6 head on the LH side, the spark plug > holes are the only threads on that side that I can think of. > > As a side comment, this is a very common problem with the TR7 and Stag > motors; and it is not uncommon to find motors that have been > destroyed by unsuccessful attempts to remove the head(s). Reportedly the > above tool works a treat, even when other methods fail. > > > 3), which I plan to try if I ever get that far down my todo list, to build > a home EDM (electrical discharge machining) machine and > use it to cut the studs out of the head. There have been several sets of > plans published in Home Shop Machinist (reprints are > available from Village Press). Basically, you need a drive mechanism that > will advance a section of brass tubing under "computer" > control, through the center of the stud; plus a power supply that will > generate several hundred volts of DC without being damaged by > a short circuit. The logic circuit monitors the voltage and advances the > tool when the voltage is high, retracts it when the > voltage is low. Each time it moves, the resulting spark removes a tiny > piece of metal from the stud. A small pump circulates fluid > through the center of the tube and a catch basin around the stud, to carry > away the tiny bits. It's a very slow process (hence the > need for automation), but will cut anything that will conduct (eg hardened > steel) without wandering. The classic example is cutting > a gear-shaped hole through a file. > > Randall > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > Head removal tool 3.jpg] > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 08:42:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C2642FB0 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5876940441 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:42:32 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=jcY5vs3iZssA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=qYj_aKKCBI1wm9yFwQwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ZxHAAV-cRUYfvCR-ypUA:9 a=gvfBO2VpoByw3OXV:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50542] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 0E/85-20605-FC20C525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:42:24 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:48:32 -0400 Subject: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I have installed the rubber door seals that fit into the metal track and I can't get the doors closed all the way. I am considering removing that seal and going with the the other type of seal that slides over the flange around the door opening. I was wondering what type of door seal some of the other TR4/TR4A owners are using? I would think that eventually the seal I have would compress but I am suspicious of the fact that the seal I have may be larger than the original and will never compress enough to get the doors all the way closed. They are about 3/8" from completely closing. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 08:47:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5C3403E8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F76403E8 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so4586747vbg.11 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rnA5w4z8lYF7QV7DL+6fCoCSGKBJDbKabP3pDQn8MwA=; b=WqNap4t0FWT7UkXekGJ7orKhnQXyp4jblyQvf9Po7NPY7ujKFUXCbxHGbB7BwkwYi0 1pVRqneJF0gt3eUj4XjVm0lD3Z277ENTsUGw1GpdnW1Zrb5IZl8pfqTqlFyi4h3MfdGa UQHfNv/+ajSrTiD45UJpFjvKEZw4eoazsR22yIRCCvoIxiD/EGaAxA2uY3G0nurNktT6 lTvWCPVNfVAZz6B7e1ScpWNDpUXl97KuclQYCD/Y+msDCWe7WZuuwMjBtUT2hSPNt6nb GJJOrskRGJ4EaRd6d73znHw6JXK0DiWdvb+NohsJLcsaouZTh+KJs3TEPHQ3XAoH8UvY Vm0g== Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <3C503718A3044484B36F5B1940938911@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:46:14 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I first replaced the seals on my TR4 (using the original style, not the TR6 seals) I had to really slam the door to get it fully closed. Eventually they took a set that allowed easy closure -- like a refrigerator. Sorry, I do not recall how long that took -- probably months but less than a year. Geo On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > List, > I have installed the rubber door seals that fit into the metal track and I > can't get the doors closed all the way. I am considering removing that seal > and going with the the other type of seal that slides over the flange > around > the door opening. I was wondering what type of door seal some of the other > TR4/TR4A owners are using? I would think that eventually the seal I have > would > compress but I am suspicious of the fact that the seal I have may be larger > than the original and will never compress enough to get the doors all the > way > closed. They are about 3/8" from completely closing. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 08:50:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A7940441 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s4.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s4.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9321540431 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W64 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:49:47 -0700 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:49:47 +0000 FILETIME=[A0F968E0:01CEC8EC] Subject: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, It has been a long time since I have been able to work on my TR3A. Now I am installing a new tonneau cover. The difficulty I have is devising a method to accurately cut holes in the cover for the roll bar to fit through. Does anyone have suggestions on how to fit the tonneau around the roll bar? Thanks. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 09:03:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BB442798 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3054940436 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2013 14:57:49 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.116] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2013 14:57:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2013 14:57:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381762669; bh=R3qnkPN8Jhup6br+zsPzesBQUfG+8FOczF+1TUejFp4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=B1ybEbNp6CPnF/dalPQu7Jt9gwYbwVrWYRMDzLyBliaYcPP+sBNqBfR02AOOD5Rx5hnIKenMZjqFI9GG/YktYmbnfOUkJfWOjSjB8PT/Qe5gXNG6TvbRec0hrQAtPikNkH/ukzN2dFwJStOTQ5Lo1hluWr2iwUzNio1yZwCCPkg= E1KAEBZhf2v05b6gA29bz8UAlPZOSicC4TXQnbJC5qyD7mMh4nsdZduce7m2 ebCiS_K1CuHHpGtOF3_H.y_niEchLnsLtqYrQ6RQSyXwauQ6CAzHcsda6kQE l8kX4BR7f934T7mptay5ZQYQUWoeFaF1mrDtBk8xp87NWKVKRV7_t02wif0V 5CPgVUPR3OXGiKGSVE_IcwLudv96j0sstwywy_zAl9D9kx_OZBx0WQ2h4vdL ZqZzocq1qG7Kfz_y3VMKZ9KC18Qm7Zm6.sB832SFvA0KB_1XwLpDdXVHWELG jv2OBh1VzVpk_99xj.B1uxuBW2RfZM2JJqG8T8yAVmY8ajWticb2WJorKzvP T4a0cgxV_bidZaoW30WjjdpS1Umci7Dw8U7EfIUqGQtp0cP0M_3_eR_TBhgH KgLSTVPR.wfT7ccyj6lHsH5zZaDJ1VfgdGcGVl8VvxvlYDuqHvefl2Rbs9Ws L8LST1TNzoZR6WCVOPGouY5WfnVt0dj1NBqJ9A90QTh1Fef0pc83CoO_f0QP gM2iFll6ymGu8AG5fYEcWeLg2iXBHdrzCX.AkyaEnpbrPc.PvNslLb9arw97 CbjWU9JfkvDFuwGBgRFMxH0Ym1cZRHnKc8ESPB9lYep4JwRbwMEqWSSrDX9q P3yNFNA-- smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2013 14:57:49 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: <3C503718A3044484B36F5B1940938911@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:57:52 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7I66azztfBHcK2Rre7Bco3m2xgkAAAStiA Subject: Re: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am sure some "4" owners will respond but I had the same issue with my "3". For the most part, after a few months the doors will 'settle' into the seals as they compress. However, my bottom door seal never got to where it allowed the door to close without looking crooked so I took it off and cut it back significantly, not worrying much as it is never seen. You results may vary, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:49 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A List, I have installed the rubber door seals that fit into the metal track and I can't get the doors closed all the way. I am considering removing that seal and going with the the other type of seal that slides over the flange around the door opening. I was wondering what type of door seal some of the other TR4/TR4A owners are using? I would think that eventually the seal I have would compress but I am suspicious of the fact that the seal I have may be larger than the original and will never compress enough to get the doors all the way closed. They are about 3/8" from completely closing. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 09:52:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4E442F4A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0B242F24 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:51:58 -0600 (MDT) a=jDkdnrkWstximMMY+JpnFw==:17 a=xkgW_vOJTMkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=QfhDjqIZGEUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=4Ri5EMoaWfHnGp-bNRcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EHe86w1XOOTM9ZUn:21 a=01JXswClT-AvLqaF:21 a=jDkdnrkWstximMMY+JpnFw==:117 Received: from [72.130.69.175] ([72.130.69.175:15767] helo=Lambert1) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 48/FB-13111-5131C525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:51:49 +0000 From: "D&B Lambert" To: "'Peter Arakelian'" , "'Listers'" References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:49:38 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7IuuwLaUy1o47tQR2v48nV8ss4vgAN1vcg Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, I had the same problem a few months ago with a TR6 I am in the process of rebuilding. I had 5 or 6 studs so severely stuck that the double nut trick wouldn't budge them. Same deal as you describe: I couldn't get the top nut on tight enough to stop the other one from turning before I could feel the nut stripping the stud thread. Figuring I was going to install a new set of studs anyway, I ended up welding a nut to each offending stud and removing them that way; all except one stud. On that one the stud just snapped off near the welded nut leaving me with a nut and partial stud in my wrench. Apparently the studs will corrode themselves to the passage in which they pass through the head, so in that case the stud was prevented from being turned by the head, not stuck in threads in the block. I ended up using the head as a giant "bolt head" for the stud, breaking the head loose by whacking it on the side with a rubber mallet in the direction of unscrewing the stud. Eventually it worked and I was able to turn the head, unscrewing the head/stud combo all the way. On the six-pack forum there are pictures of another guy who did the same thing. After the head was free it was a simple matter of driving the stud through the head passage. I think welding nuts to the studs also helped loosen them from the block, as they get really really hot for a short period of time; I could hear the penetrating oil I had bathed the studs in for days sizzle. I too, tried the rope trick (unsuccessfully) in cylinders #1 & #6. No go for me. Good Luck. Dennis Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:35 PM > To: Listers > Subject: [TR] TR6 head removal > > I would like to thank all who have so far tried to help me with my problem. > I have tried almost all that was suggested: I have double checked and nothing > remains attached, I have cranked the motor over with plugs in, I have tried > the rope trick by both hand pushing the car and bumping the starter, I have > tried the various suggestions of prying at various points and ways, I have > applied heat, I have pulled the manifold studs, I have been soaking for a day > and a half with various penetrants as well as one that freezes as it applies > its penetrant. I have not tried a couple of methods: Jonmac's factory method ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 10:57:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F091A42F87 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E03342A58 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MUO00IU54EQPLY0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:56:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "tom white" , References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:56:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...sorry for the blasphemy...but on my Miata I cut a slit in from the side and installed a zipper. Where the roll bar passes through, I cut little slits to produce 'triangles' that would fold up out of the way to pass the bar through. Those little triangle tabs where then sewn to a piece of edging to produce a 'collar' that sticks up and wraps around the bar. (an attempt to stop possible water ingress if caught in the rain while parked?) I Install the tonneau, then wrap the flap around the bar, zip it up, then snap everything down as normal. clear as mud right? :-) . The local boat yard type cover and upholstery guy wanted near $250 to install 2x 5 inch long zippers. screw that! yes...what a bear. but I hand stitched the zipper, edgings and trim. didn't turn out too bad I must say. I've since expanded the 'collar' around the bar by adding a length of Velcro to the mix. It allows me to pull the cover tight to the bar. I'll see if I can find an old snapshot of the effort. ...remind me in a couple days if I don't post a pic (old geezer mode day to day) Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom white" To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau? > Hi List, > > It has been a long time since I have been able to work on my TR3A. Now I > am > installing a new tonneau cover. The difficulty I have is devising a > method to > accurately cut holes in the cover for the roll bar to fit through. > > Does anyone have suggestions on how to fit the tonneau around the roll > bar? > > Thanks. > > Best regards, > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 12:21:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186E542FAD for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C07142F66 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d5vB1m00H0x6nqcA26MBSd; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:21:11 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d6MA1m00Y0dYjAz8Y6MAQ7; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:21:11 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'John & Pat Donnelly'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <003001cec883$a30ca930$e925fb90$@rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:21:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Ig6J+X4Kc9JuFRHePVkwXOOuI5AAhaRSw Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1381774871; bh=SzjlRnGvEDfcNtgn9zfVJqZhj/jaODoPrTTyBrt8aIE=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FH6mQZd5D33QpPlJE6LxXuctkrnp3ngH8xeQBIPeY+XcH9Lsc4mD/B9Sgic3+CWaP xrqGkwBbgs6EzTR23PNl+FxYO6QASeq+usHqD2Qa2p53p+mm6Xz2FQ7sRIMha6gaf/ NP+QY6Q/3HN9CWAQfgUfXgi2RO52PWlSBZ4fD+4PxNivOtc0/XqkhKJf6qMZ8p1ddk CuDDn121FthmFdddk0lRiC+7ZZDISlwbwU82Rshw2FG0EZlGRAqHilgB6j9tZNNNNH 04e6QRKZDlzYV4iwIEi6MsuYAEwmTNseztym1M1rLzGG4+yU/WFr1ZNwqXLWrNAIn4 Qc/M/l7NywD4A== Subject: Re: [TR] Any VTR - TFest Pics? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Johnnie, sorry you missed Triumphest/VTR, it was a great event. There are some pictures accessible from the Triumph Travelers home page, http://www.triumphtravelers.org/ , just click on the Triumphest Pics link for a slide show. There will be more to follow, including a video of the parade laps around Sonoma Raceway. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John & Pat Donnelly Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:18 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Any VTR - TFest Pics? A last minute breakdown prevented me from going. I was bummed. Can somebody help a poor soul get a little fix by sharing some pictures? Johnnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 12:45:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CFB42F70 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C285C403D9 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-6934.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.75.23] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VVn8d-000551-7Q; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:45:07 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:45:06 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 2013-10-14, at 2:49 PM, tom white wrote: > Hi List, > > It has been a long time since I have been able to work on my TR3A. Now I am > installing a new tonneau cover. The difficulty I have is devising a method to > accurately cut holes in the cover for the roll bar to fit through. > > Does anyone have suggestions on how to fit the tonneau around the roll bar? > Email me if you want see some pictures of how I did this on our TR6 and I will send them along. To make the cuts, you will need some heavy duty upholstery shears and to make it decent looking, you will need some material similar to the tonneau, some binding material, extra snaps, and access to a heavy duty upholstery sewing machine. Some have used velcro for the overlap of the cuts you will make rather than snaps, but I did not go this way because the velcro tends to collect lint, dirt and pollen. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 15:55:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D10B42F66 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E33442F66 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:54:48 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1uKJ_ImGxfEA:10 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=M0mzg896JMwA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Gu8GBtSk2HpMpHSBdr4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Zoy7vKydhzWaQQH1-tcA:9 a=rITZUKG8IeDqlo-3:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:49207] helo=[192.168.1.126]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 72/35-07816-E186C525; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:54:38 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:54:37 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same problem on a '63. My solution was to buy seals from another source. I don't remember now whose seals fit correctly (been over ten years) but I bought from Moss and TRF. Coincidently, had the same problem with the trunk seal. In that case the seal from the "other" vendor fit. Allen On Oct 14, 2013, at 12:57 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > I have installed the rubber door seals that fit into the metal track > and I > can't get the doors closed all the way. I am considering removing > that seal > and going with the the other type of seal that slides over the > flange around > the door opening. I was wondering what type of door seal some of the > other > TR4/TR4A owners are using? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 16:18:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF1D40E1A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAC240524 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d7121m00A0b6N64A8AHx6Z; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:17:57 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dAHv1m00U0dYjAz8PAHwNm; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:17:56 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "Triumph List \(Triumph List\)" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:17:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7JHdKmFdOowUgBQaiqZqV/Fjcs6AADUtbg Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1381789077; bh=A7SNrzcOz3MOoJoRrYXBBLihoMhazrHulrvNA9KBNBU=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZGpqGOh9VDTOX0NPIDT6OyoPbDyX4hWrt1y5Y2oEKnhok3zgIbRGRasbD5i7zvseF ZWD3v+uRJoEMfh8QCjaiCd+jTb0crO1hoWXY6PSovI2deolKP5u9hSfu81sC/0w1PC swZJk2Vx+xY+AZJ/Hg6VYRA5u0ei82fet5Wtty/hfMDrxoWF+t+gH7s9sATXCJhRBQ 2YzDR1AqZ7dBTXWLBrU0rmnE8Wxsu1k+JxGVy9v/Xs75lcK0atfg/aFNDkHKfMED7q PE7mg/7Dfkn9nl706f+1qbMqH88SwF8rV34XLzqhR80YaFzfODu2I83HavmvUU4t+t kkNgR3aCW9++w== Subject: [TR] FW: [revs-program] Invitation to Nov 7 Open Garage Talk with Jeff Zwart Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another Revs program at Stanford, if interested, be sure to register. Bob From: revs-program-bounces@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:revs-program-bounces@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Mailing list for the Revs Program at Stanford Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:51 PM To: revs-program@stanford.edu Subject: [revs-program] Invitation to Nov 7 Open Garage Talk with Jeff Zwart The Center for Automotive Research at Stanford (CARS) and the Revs Program at Stanford present an evening with Jeff Zwart, award-winning director and race car driver on November 7 at 6:00 p.m. Mr. Zwart's discussion will focus on "Telling Stories With Cars." The talk will be moderated by Diego Rodriguez. Please join us for an Open Garage Happy Hour at 5:00 p.m. prior to the discussion. Light appetizers and beverages will be served. Registration is required; seating is limited. This event is free and open to the public. Automotive Innovation Facility Stanford University 473 Oak Road AIF Map Revs Program & Center for Automotive Research at Stanford (CARS) 416 Escondido Mall, MC-4021 Building 550, Room 133 Stanford, CA 94305 650.736.4322 _______________________________________________ revs-program mailing list revs-program@lists.stanford.edu https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/revs-program ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 16:24:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5CF42F8F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A612D403F6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E261270106338 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C1029E000089 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1381789424; bh=YW5e+gMiS/LIJD/TYigq7qch/xNoejuMMmAtmKK8GaA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dYwCwiRO3y6Whs96ProJkkzQZbTf6ShyBq9bRWmL7TPtGS/Dj9oVCIQnLRCeBhFih vAkEccRzEd9pddCf6wrI+azwLZSaQZe8z1FFaSirlgLF1ygTXOGESaOEfUMQlbfmLt qsLU/btqcOdyyghJ+bD9hUwfEondWlJjQeB1FOkw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389525c6ef01247 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can see how that would work quite handily if the engine is removed from the car but it will either maybe work or not at all depending on which stud it is. But a clever solution at any rate. Let's hope it helps Peter out. Dave In a message dated 10/14/2013 10:51:56 AM Central Daylight Time, blambert@socal.rr.com writes: > Apparently the studs will corrode themselves to the passage in which they > pass through the head, so in that case the stud was prevented from being > turned by the head, not stuck in threads in the block. I ended up using > the > head as a giant "bolt head" for the stud, breaking the head loose by > whacking it on the side with a rubber mallet in the direction of > unscrewing > the stud. Eventually it worked and I was able to turn the head, > unscrewing > the head/stud combo all the way. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 16:48:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4695442F66 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0458440441 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:48:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-8715.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.50.14] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VVqur-0003SB-Lr; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:48:12 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:47:09 -0400 References: <5E0662AA-A32D-4395-9A69-D84135BA40FA@execulink.com> <8A61D08EA651431698B125FA4CB17CF6@Lambert1> To: "D&B Lambert" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pictures attached - but obviously not for the List. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com On 2013-10-14, at 5:35 PM, "D&B Lambert" wrote: > Hi, > I will soon have the same issue: how to trim the tonneau around a soon-to-be > installed roll bar. Can you add me to the list of folks you are sending > pictures to? > Thanks, Dennis > >>> >> Email me if you want see some pictures of how I did this on our TR6 and I > will >> send them along. To make the cuts, you will need some heavy duty > upholstery >> shears and to make it decent looking, you will need some material similar > to >> the tonneau, some binding material, extra snaps, and access to a heavy > duty >> upholstery sewing machine. Some have used velcro for the overlap of the > cuts >> you will make rather than snaps, but I did not go this way because the > velcro >> tends to collect lint, dirt and pollen. >> >> Keith Stewart >> keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 17:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D963142FA3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A49403BC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W3 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:10:26 -0700 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:10:26 +0000 FILETIME=[9196F3E0:01CEC932] Subject: [TR] New tool. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you have lift the dot snaps that are really difficult to snap over their posts you may like this. I am fitting a new tonneau to my TR3A. I am fitting it fairly tight as it is not as generous with material as the last one. Added to the difference in size is the fact that my my hands and forearms do not have the strength they had a few years ago. So with necessity as the mother of invention I made a tool to help with the difficult lift the dot snaps. I took a length of 3/16 steel brake/fuel line and bent loops in one end to make a handle witha 8" - 10" shaft protruding from the center of the handle. Then I ground away half of the tube for the first half inch of the shaft. This leaves a half inch concave area at the end of the shaft. To use the tool I push the shaft through the lift the dot snap that is difficult to position. I place the concave end of the shaft on the post I want the snap to attach to. Then I gently move the handle of the tool in the direction of the post. The lift the dot snap will move down the shaft as it moves closer to the post. When I can see the top of the post through the hole in the snap I press hard on the snap and withdraw the tool. The snap then seats on and engages the post. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 17:30:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD33240524 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC684041E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:29:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2013 23:29:31 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.70] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2013 23:29:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp227.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2013 23:29:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381793371; bh=rA/LbTtbeX1YOtO1hBtg2LZ5CcUULjmTdOmwGCvFY/c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=L/X9IIbz/PPR6lHP9lxrO3d8mb3GONJqhGen6dkn9PGH4pjAGyjyoCIhiNXsy2uGqCkVKOP07eD3fJyEcVtFfIG4FKCtjGfiis4GKr5WLXM8MUujaZ8iFmAujqzfspwRFeAAWmosp0a+zN13uMZdfncjVthWs1KOqJxAhLluQ2I= UIiS8DJrs4jXGJg2Hhi908IO5OomodpIp4hrmdRFEl8b33Wvi5C0czC.CpNn ongkHJlPJoc6fLg8WiZncmA0t3kW3NKwrp26eGZ8xmX1grfOOH2X5vOBkd46 9XI22M8pV23CXDp8K7pNs.Q.lI4BOVS2Ryw9fgsPvU3EqaZl7gMsvkYBQP8E MnHwCBnlLlbHaskMYMyN3jXnsKICS.aCFFVkQffs_YpcMS1xnhoCEe_gzdR2 k_8kwBAfi3BZnsVBUYeYsXpn.2jiuIjulj6odCa1td2YH.d7rcLnzIKLb6xr 7dcCr4DhxsYk9lFHR0pKaDuaLWTHV9LY0I1TwpCgBsBfGTqEYmG6oz7aSZhG 8elyNvZBTqwjqoTlnKACWLdUQP1dfl_3eBGEG7sf2ChftNOju1D07Rv.h79D AwZuaFrzOBThopF_XVVUxz3420KSfcAPKyonYEtY0k0PewFd5TAT_5lXr.Ss uqHu4B7S7KqZmsJYTGsa.vIx4ogL2fGK6Y2Tn1p0XTEzwGAr4lbOeNQ43_uY k1H5Nz5VKoE_jWgzpF_lbvio2cakb7pE9Da6i0kSPuUgH.EzNdDFMZVk1OJk e smtp227.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2013 23:29:31 +0000 UTC References: From: WBEECH Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:29:29 -0500 To: tom white Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] New tool. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, I'll have to try that, pretty clever. I have the same challenges, tight tonneau and old hands. This draws from my old brake spring tool to slide the springs into place. Thx, Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:10 PM, tom white wrote: > > If you have lift the dot snaps that are really difficult to snap over their > posts you may like this. > > I am fitting a new tonneau to my TR3A. I am fitting it fairly tight as it is > not as generous with material as the last one. Added to the difference in > size is the fact that my my hands and forearms do not have the strength they > had a few years ago. > > So with necessity as the mother of invention I made a tool to help with the > difficult lift the dot snaps. I took a length of 3/16 steel brake/fuel line > and bent loops in one end to make a handle witha 8" - 10" shaft protruding > from the center of the handle. Then I ground away half of the tube for the > first half inch of the shaft. This leaves a half inch concave area at the end > of the shaft. > > To use the tool I push the shaft through the lift the dot snap that is > difficult to position. I place the concave end of the shaft on the post I > want the snap to attach to. Then I gently move the handle of the tool in the > direction of the post. The lift the dot snap will move down the shaft as it > moves closer to the post. When I can see the top of the post through the > hole in the snap I press hard on the snap and withdraw the tool. The snap > then seats on and engages the post. > > Best regards, > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 18:42:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228DD403F2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DF840405 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id dCeu1m00c2QmmGk01Cevst; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:38:55 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:36:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] New tool. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not that visual. could you post a picture of the tool and how you use it? -----Original Message----- From: tom white Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 6:10 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] New tool. If you have lift the dot snaps that are really difficult to snap over their posts you may like this. I am fitting a new tonneau to my TR3A. I am fitting it fairly tight as it is not as generous with material as the last one. Added to the difference in size is the fact that my my hands and forearms do not have the strength they had a few years ago. So with necessity as the mother of invention I made a tool to help with the difficult lift the dot snaps. I took a length of 3/16 steel brake/fuel line and bent loops in one end to make a handle witha 8" - 10" shaft protruding from the center of the handle. Then I ground away half of the tube for the first half inch of the shaft. This leaves a half inch concave area at the end of the shaft. To use the tool I push the shaft through the lift the dot snap that is difficult to position. I place the concave end of the shaft on the post I want the snap to attach to. Then I gently move the handle of the tool in the direction of the post. The lift the dot snap will move down the shaft as it moves closer to the post. When I can see the top of the post through the hole in the snap I press hard on the snap and withdraw the tool. The snap then seats on and engages the post. Best regards, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 19:19:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37C0403FE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F02403FE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:19:13 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=1uKJ_ImGxfEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=M0mzg896JMwA:10 a=0jsJDTUqyH7rdLJ_z6gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:57526] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 60/6F-06764-5089C525; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:19:02 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <3C503718A3044484B36F5B1940938911@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:19:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7I7Fjrjdizg35zQAyhMyvWVSWNRgAVgQrA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I just put new door seals in my 4A (in the channels) and have to slam the doors in order to get them to shut. After one week they seem to be loosening a little. I seem to recall the last set took a few months. If you go to the one piece design let us know how it turns out. BTW my feet used to kick the seal out of it's track all the time when I would get in or out of the car, which is why I replaced them. I made sure I cleaned out the channels real well before installing the new one but I'm afraid these will do the same thing as they were relatively easy to install. If someone has a good idea to keep these in let us know. Johnnie '67 TR4A > > List, > I have installed the rubber door seals that fit into the metal track > and I can't get the doors closed all the way. I am considering removing > that seal and going with the the other type of seal that slides over > the flange around the door opening. I was wondering what type of door > seal some of the other TR4/TR4A owners are using? I would think that > eventually the seal I have would compress but I am suspicious of the > fact that the seal I have may be larger than the original and will > never compress enough to get the doors all the way closed. They are > about 3/8" from completely closing. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 19:21:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D40A40441 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568CE403FE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d5hU1m0050S2fkCAEDLkJA; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:20:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dDLi1m00T4L5TyG8VDLjLJ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:20:43 +0000 From: Bud R To: tom white Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:20:42 -0600 References: s=q20121106; t=1381800044; bh=7FdGnd6DAMepYK5RdMZg8mnv/fgYdo0sJL39UhYxwnI=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=HEvqJ6ku78DlnOrdH2TqHbimD5Yu+gRri+N77VLk/mYYslWW/3SvwQa+OVRPf8DU5 mpfepfB8rweHOhM9fyJ9P4RCZtaioF+R3yn+niWtPW2lJeD2B7moeX2THs8conyTra 1fXNUjsfRSD4voGuUI/GiZ2su5ysiRA6W88qMG2mIpu4ugp6qCby9fRFAnzphKxNCO UfjkggvpBV4k//vnT/1L8a7PxQ0KT8M6HqXIoe+CZHFIFoDCia6pxbPFsNr+MsjZCe HHrpqrGOPavGbLh/HY5sha4Ru4XUvW2y5d2KI1yMy7txTpBvHLvgxV6H7EEwEN9C0N KMYfk1HNvGWbw== Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] New tool. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is exactly why I love this list. Thanks Tom. Nothing like the Borg to produce an elegant solution. I've come to depend on it. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 14, 2013, at 5:10 PM, tom white wrote: > If you have lift the dot snaps that are really difficult to snap > over their > posts you may like this. > > I am fitting a new tonneau to my TR3A. I am fitting it fairly tight > as it is > not as generous with material as the last one. Added to the > difference in > size is the fact that my my hands and forearms do not have the > strength they > had a few years ago. > > So with necessity as the mother of invention I made a tool to help > with the > difficult lift the dot snaps. I took a length of 3/16 steel brake/ > fuel line > and bent loops in one end to make a handle witha 8" - 10" shaft > protruding > from the center of the handle. Then I ground away half of the tube > for the > first half inch of the shaft. This leaves a half inch concave area > at the end > of the shaft. > > To use the tool I push the shaft through the lift the dot snap that is > difficult to position. I place the concave end of the shaft on the > post I > want the snap to attach to. Then I gently move the handle of the > tool in the > direction of the post. The lift the dot snap will move down the > shaft as it > moves closer to the post. When I can see the top of the post > through the > hole in the snap I press hard on the snap and withdraw the tool. > The snap > then seats on and engages the post. > > Best regards, > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 20:04:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D64C42F99 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3CB403FE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 02:03:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 02:01:01 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.58] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 02:01:00 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.211] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 02:01:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1098.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 02:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 22928 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2013 02:01:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381802460; bh=y8/TWELi4rIL8atbdat1CWdn3U/gK7NBwnCgQSikD/g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hnMgRvcQnsFMKssUEmS7VFoZLC9+F9pUgTJL9Cmt2UZbjS/2iv5hs+BLNGw+zhxFymUF/Xt+8YB5pARUyRHjBPv5UVpLeynQY6w93tro2Op+adC+/TJPX47ArBY1JK4C/DGxple+JAGlhEAuAmTu3N/SDIY9YecI+jB4JNrm5Nw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O/VyqWBI9VQ4N60YopHY2anrmQgLQ9MS15121jo/epch4FCi4PY1KhNtD4emh9Gkm0xkvYhDmYK8q+QzTZ8c684VtnpzipZjMViTu1nzuuOSDlpMIxQayeKIawWuLx4qlKUodoUVs/h7l2dWxn6OKvOBJAPIoUBfDVC73Hz7aoQ=; jdvHmHfmI5hGUuuvA518TKaG7KAYj4353RqTGZ.f2j84iIeqDbbq95aHovFJ uIj5OlF8RskNEVTGBZkvUidF7ibwo0Ylj.xqG4gK2KYH5X8l_NmlcT6bgfdo pGWBuLs.teVwwdM2yZe5eFQ5G149sjYD9.QwVoHfupwnRqRbktKxsv3ymtVM qaTc8kjKzyzkIC_1RJaY6m8JauhsSmJdHb2juOJ6tX9xpdTTtIEKqtlX5rMH 03fmxdkKARNQE3wM5uNHT7c2eO.yfWUhE318RTC4fjkpnuMsyXmfaUt7bthf 2Bplyd7yZc3dVbTzqogzkdp1VkJK.vyLFxJQfGbUYvSlGsgiXK8cQjlvPsm3 1A1z_oheYRDOsci5lRvO6voS9esbufSXt.DHGSnUo71OYymPhcFKUkxmIKLN cQ_dsNeXUw.fTQFdeiDQyGY9E1l5GRR2Sg1TJXuoScW2CSR7xzVkB_CEKmD0 mgUllo65hYPlGUvBPD7Kfi6YX07nFkvGOu8vbkVewZRUaKHu08Cf_I_5bTnY xPDwXjQgvJug3Eh51RZI.SxUmWBM7eiouEY5PwuEl9dxFKQP9nprTQhrsyLI x0xx_b8bsuFfWSm6gL61Oez3vSlnf32pHJKv_cXDd9Gqf8aO0uJ_i8R0.7MH tjCbZku9sQSiMAIoq8YdlHtaFDzhrne8YXCtFLnbP3.sYHB9Cl4yIjw7m5v5 VoycBOFOg2NMGU_5YHZiNwT9gyKag.1uW.TGpabTyS2zRdzE5XMJ8hCyTT5b 8d6FQWwRxx879zSNzvNAc01Lfj5VajSsTN1h5gTK31vzfuDyHCY5pjn364Rg LhYSjs6Lm95YD7Hu7el6IA84UureP7SCIf_UylZkWJ2LekQyX1LXWR.iv2PI uZw-- Received: from [76.95.50.112] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:00:59 PDT d2hlbiBJIGNhbiBnZXQgb25lIG9mIHRob3NlIGJpZyByZWQgcGx1bWJlcnMgd3JlbmNoZXMgb24gYSBzdHVkIG9yIGJvbHQsIGl0IGhhcyBub3QgZmFpbGVkIHRvIG1vdmUgaXQgeWV0Lg0KdGhlIHR5cGUgdGhhdCBiaXRlcyBoYXJkLg0KDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRvb2x1cC5jb20vcmlkZ2lkXzMxMjgwXzIwLXN0cmFpZ2h0LWhleC13cmVuY2gtbW9kZWwtMjUuYXNweD91dG1fc291cmNlPWdvb2dsZSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPXBhaWRfc2VhcmNoJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1wYWlkX3NlYXJjaF9nb29nbGVfcGxhJnNjaWQBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: Listers , Peter Arakelian Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net when I can get one of those big red plumbers wrenches on a stud or bolt, it has not failed to move it yet. the type that bites hard. http://www.toolup.com/ridgid_31280_20-straight-hex-wrench-model-25.aspx?utm_s ource=google&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=paid_search_google_pla&scid= scplp1070438&gclid=CMG_1Y_fl7oCFYs1QgodTi8AeA that type. Frank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/14/13, Peter Arakelian wrote: Subject: [TR] TR6 head removal To: "Listers" Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 1:34 AM I would like to thank all who have so far tried to help me with my problem. I have tried almost all that was suggested: I have double checked and nothing remains attached, I have cranked the motor over with plugs in, I have tried the rope trick by both hand pushing the car and bumping the starter, I have tried the various suggestions of prying at various points and ways, I have applied heat, I have pulled the manifold studs, I have been soaking for a day and a half with various penetrants as well as one that freezes as it applies its penetrant. I have not tried a couple of methods: Jonmac's factory method of clamping head and block with wood and striking, paraffin, or engine hoist. Still stuck. I have tried double nutting the studs, but cannot get the nuts tight enough together to turn the stud before turning each other. I have been using two head nuts and cannot torque to full spec, 80 ft lbs, before feeling the give of the top nut and the beginnings of buggering the threads of the studs. I will be getting some grade 8 jam nuts in the hopes that getting a bigger bite of the stud on the nut will enable me to get them tighter together. All seven studs on the right side and one on the left are still stuck. My friends here are going to call their friends in shops for more help and advice, before I end up having it towed to a shop. Any and all additional suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Direct please, I am on digest version. Thanks, Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 20:06:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4ED42FC3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2C842F8C for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id dE441m00P2QmmGk01E44uG; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:04:05 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <3C503718A3044484B36F5B1940938911@DaveLaptop> <004701cec944$886df630$9949e290$@rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:00:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Door seals on my TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net try using this: http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/datsun/DSCN8456.JPG BTW my feet used to kick the seal out of it's track all the time when I would get in or out of the car, which is why I replaced them. I made sure I cleaned out the channels real well before installing the new one but I'm afraid these will do the same thing as they were relatively easy to install. If someone has a good idea to keep these in let us know. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 14 20:57:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD5542F8F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB4403F6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:53:52 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Jwv2iYcZV25881x6NHRRxaMuMI4Ahcf5n8GPYGNx4vZM6sX2JfTDKO2Pj7k2u3pi; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.222.146.134] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VVulQ-0002on-Vj for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:53:41 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "list Triumph" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 20:53:41 -0600 Subject: [TR] Washer for head bolt - TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Would anyone have an extra washer laying around, all sad and sorry, because it no longer belongs to an engine? Ibm happy to give it a new home Itbs a 1/2 ID, 7/8 OD flat washer. Nothing special except the narrow OD, but I canbt find one locally, and have no idea what happened to the original. Many thanks, Cliff [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of wlEmoticon-smile[1].png] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 09:08:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0F240546 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DED403EF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 14:59:08 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.246] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 14:59:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 14:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 3463 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2013 14:59:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381849147; bh=KgvzmUOZ5bWXF83ThxEWp2uEbqi/YlkUsu2joV+A97o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RG1nYjiZ8uHByIecmPlImyZ1qHnsExnIbPhY2Q/iXrZ2TaGd6nrm0GmYQDpH8d9/C9R97dD2BHDRZXXPpNskSOThKA8cNKtDLUZaVbACLcTfQxArg4W7potihpGKIXGsFoBDNQpKnL/b2wrMjv0TopjznzRr/syZb9iY7HvpA6E= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3UioDEHmbkBy9e4RB8HKg5prw0k5jDT1Ithw7Oj0m7nRo+GL+VUMCxvgsfoIXHMObGHJI6Fl0wnJ2lnvJncVCZha+2tUG6ZuHQwksSJlPXL43uAU9nUEEYqwPNEOy9tpo+/q+WCXJH8xdd6XqDISV873vCw7PwkfBu11IQH7Ppk=; A2h.5Z2ns_vD9EwTV.F0P3GecKLRRLzmXzd3LA78RNebuYJUmSvV1l3e3pQq q0gz88lpPap0PEUy3f6xtbkw5f7QMqT1FekS8G9QCXyH4A3y_YVYoo7ARhr8 vEXmC7wo8tbEJqbE8t3ni269ipO5w1_0KHQbdc5HCXH5Lo8dki_KXtcZ4VRS l6cstf8czftCAdZb2yJnlCJt_6DCVmVo7e9LQMhnhu5h.PJ7RhvnBuN9sUWt pT7t95Ul5Fwhu9NApzgRf49qm5Tw5l_MLXHg43RoNhAIZMIg4ZKTcG0hBNDT i5Fpqv6g8V_S8R7j0Xm5NqpuosN2UOHRq.0.kcobas_PPI50ExhkaTddoDRn n0omMJiqyoQ5PBDrSYtBGDbYpUSAWF.ZBBv2Vc_1hcQRiNHQzrwm1SB93MfR sYrKNdu1bsAtCA2ZYa06UNj2FiH6ZCU1ypIyHPdRYrioVTEgf18wbm1HHzcI B8WwBReZPZKxzVeCRqvBrFOnjcysPzpAUcnDGPNDvDzH62osFF35ijp58oAP 7f9WjuDiUuCeEzJzDs_JpHa3gV9BcSA-- Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:59:07 PDT SSBoYWQgc2ltaWxhciBwcm9ibGVtcyB3aXRoIGEgR1Q2IGhlYWQuwqAgVGhlIG1vdG9yIGhhZCBiZWVuIHNpdHRpbmcgb3V0IG9mIHRoZSBjYXIgZm9yIGF0IGxlYXN0IGEgZGVjYWRlIGFuZCBpdCBsb29rZWQgbGlrZSBzb21lb25lIGhhZCB0cmllZCB0byByZW1vdmUgdGhlIGhlYWQgdW5zdWNjZXNzZnVsbHkgaW4gdGhlIHBhc3QuwqAgSSBzb2FrZWQgdGhlIHN0dWRzIGZvciBzZXZlcmFsIGRheXMgd2l0aCBQIEIgQmxhc3RlciBhbmQgcGxhY2VkIHRoZSBtb3RvciBvbiBhbiBlbmdpbmUgc3RhbmQgYW5kIHIBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Q To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had similar problems with a GT6 head. The motor had been sitting out of the car for at least a decade and it looked like someone had tried to remove the head unsuccessfully in the past. I soaked the studs for several days with P B Blaster and placed the motor on an engine stand and removed as many of the studs as I could. I used two new grade 8 nuts of standard thickness to remove as many of the studs as I could. I was left with five studs still in place on the pushrod side. I placed a heavy piece of angle iron over the tops of the studs and clamped it down with several large C clamps to create pressure on the head against the studs. Turned the motor upside down and used two sledge hammers at low velocity to strike the C clamps. The head moved enough that I was able to drive a thin wedge between the motor and the head. I worked both ends till the head came off. As in the case of others who responded the studs came out of the block easily once the head was off. The wedge only effected about 1/8" of the edge of the block so no gasket issues later. The motor is rebuilt now and running nicely. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 10:15:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DED740442 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEFA403DA for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:15:07 -0600 (MDT) a=jDkdnrkWstximMMY+JpnFw==:17 a=xkgW_vOJTMkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=QfhDjqIZGEUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=0N-1HwPeYx06pzMrsccA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=XBEKfJOI9Xcyie0w:21 a=_gZNp2vUzzl7A1JD:21 a=jDkdnrkWstximMMY+JpnFw==:117 Received: from [72.130.69.175] ([72.130.69.175:24733] helo=Lambert1) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DE/52-13111-CF96D525; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:14:53 +0000 From: "D&B Lambert" To: References: <61966.5e4a8d74.3f8dc8f0@cs.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:12:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7JLBw/MmWuP/IMQqeW8tu65HGxEQAlQ++w Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. In my case the engine was out, making the process quite simple. In the case of the referenced guy on the Six-Pack forum, the pictures show him doing it in-situ. Also, as in my case, the stuck stud was in the middle of the head, balancing things nicely. Dennis > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:24 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head removal > > I can see how that would work quite handily if the engine is removed from > the car but it will either maybe work or not at all depending on which stud > it is. > > But a clever solution at any rate. Let's hope it helps Peter out. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 13:28:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACC942F7F for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F136140442 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 19:27:40 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 19:27:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2013 19:27:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381865260; bh=8YdHn+QH7t1PMEzCfV/DxR+7I/sxosrQXSih4WmbeYU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LlI+pcfhyJuqTf6C7VnhdelyXri9Dzhz7Ze28bt3kFbSObEL7ADbFsUs3ya86rTS013BCWcCniJWLsSNrEUD3atSiW6eijNOtevKodUI99l1CJpS3570oLRvhNBRkHanGNWrU5j2/f8DazdiTg98lE2iHDY5D1VJAstkUNhUzdc= bcSj4Sb1UhsNsmnVjsrZmgfJCkJWzytIqP1C.D1mAKERP6AxvNNcuiHOO7WY lBKBproNFs.2zjhT420MadOs_77OOOeRksLiGUvnFJpMSuMpUpbJrCs6DXyN AgW4ZshlSTmgobdW78MCspkk0zZ3mgFrHFEMpDDY3AkjjI8qzCfoRd481Ask BR1Xtwtia.Mj.rHLZxv_SjdoVkUmOuG4.WYdRbj.C4QyOZXrZlkSc9BnL2kP 3DjhG3AmHfjdO.o.SmwrklHhsKrCveAWAuKaeSchuhqypHj94WKHeHRvdcKA cQuKMzoCC4rtrJ1aOv95jGCbdQ6nIoUrCfqeK9fn0u.22X7DmNVb45pEXBku yspfqin9pfxKif8Fyyx6EYZ27MyBEqsFKVOKqZLT3aOF_tGqUr7p2bJvV4MJ cfxFstfqeJ0MPy2BgANOBYJlRfbU1FAUBFZGLYuj_jY5bXP_US79cKK5NLOy zJLypEjJlSgV5WlW1NnvujPhPD.bc1yMUyTs79NAi..mB0UuC4R2kKD5_ttT 1qw-- smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2013 19:27:40 +0000 UTC Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:27:36 -0700 From: "hdrider570@att.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Washer for head bolt - TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may not need one asthe rear right head bolt does not have a washer as the engine lift hoop goes there. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 22:27:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDDB42F82 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A72A40396 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:59:21 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:117 a=xLz2L0sCA/pk1mBfSkem+A==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KroU4AcKj2sA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=BauUh3Ma2wnz2LGx1C8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Z8jzwmdaZt0A:10 a=H_uRNOCs6CoA:10 a=aW367BSB3eMlbj-c-SkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.196.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.196.163] ([72.49.196.163:50112] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id DE/1B-20605-9C6DD525; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:59:05 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:55:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A door seals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that replied. I suspect my problem is the Moss sourced door seals may be a bit larger than the originals. And thanks for the tip on the 3M adhesive Dave.. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 22:42:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C57F42FDF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:42:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54DA403D9 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:48:27 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IkBjIeXCUT4wTfzsBCcMmRNKsXN60IjlzuFT/suUdLDe/u4bmPqQsr9v6Pxj6yYY; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.222.146.134] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VWFAk-0004oP-8w; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:41:10 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: References: <525D9728.5040803@att.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:41:11 -0600 Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Washer for head bolt - TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may be right. Parts book lists 10 washers and there are 10 studs, I think I'd rather fit one. Thanks very much to those who offered to send one. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: hdrider570@att.net Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Washer for head bolt - TR4A You may not need one asthe rear right head bolt does not have a washer as the engine lift hoop goes there. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 22:56:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B90D430B3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3209403CF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W47 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0700 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 03:32:51 +0000 FILETIME=[64E0C760:01CECA20] Subject: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net At this point I have the rear section of the new tonneau properly fitted to my TR3A. I have constructed a template for the roll bar relief holes for both sides of the car. And I have fitted the forward lift the dot fasteners on the driver's side. It seems to me that I cannot just lay the new tonneau on the floor and then trace the templates onto it. If I did that there would be no allowance for the stretch of the tonneau when fully fastened. So I plan to get as many lift the dot fasteners in place and fastened as possible without distorting the tonneau against the roll bar. Then I can index the tonneau to the center lines of the roll bar tubes and then index the templates to the tonneau, At that point I think I can trace the template pattern onto the tonneau and cut my relief holes. Any comments are welcome before I do something stupid. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 00:41:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CE542823 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-03.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF9740451 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:41:24 -0600 (MDT) cv=tLeJwtg1FCvAouMblIYY1Z5/U6XdMrtw4y2B9g+QINc= c=1 sm=1 a=vw4cST_VqgAA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=Zo5iRq0y8qOGfK0RJzDLCg==:17 a=bgi6qUvJW8j6sO0D5HUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=sj2HqBAFtdYA:10 a=YCfVMwLaxIAA:10 a=JajoZ5xyNk1zkTcQldYA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.102]) ([70.71.254.254]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2013 00:19:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:18:11 -0700 From: LT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Edward, I am happy to hear you were able to Hamer it out Larry Turned the motor upside down and used*two sledge hammers*at low velocity to strike the C clamps. The head moved enough that I was able to drive a thin wedge between the motor and the head. I worked both ends till the head came off. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 00:53:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD8442EF7 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4DD40510 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MUQ00DDXYZE63E0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 00:52:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: "'tom white'" , References: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:52:24 -0400 Thread-index: AQKEoeQSj3ICeYwVkXyVcYyF7+Mm3piLIxzg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom - I had thought about this as well. Would it be possible to use a shorter cardboard tube or maybe PVC pipe to mimic the uprights so that you could mark the underside of the installed tonneau? Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom white Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:33 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau. At this point I have the rear section of the new tonneau properly fitted to my TR3A. I have constructed a template for the roll bar relief holes for both sides of the car. And I have fitted the forward lift the dot fasteners on the driver's side. It seems to me that I cannot just lay the new tonneau on the floor and then trace the templates onto it. If I did that there would be no allowance for the stretch of the tonneau when fully fastened. So I plan to get as many lift the dot fasteners in place and fastened as possible without distorting the tonneau against the roll bar. Then I can index the tonneau to the center lines of the roll bar tubes and then index the templates to the tonneau, At that point I think I can trace the template pattern onto the tonneau and cut my relief holes. Any comments are welcome before I do something stupid. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 11:58:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBF340531 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9274240444 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MUR000P9TRR4KZ0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:57:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:57:21 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac7KkG+3aMIJYLYhRoK+KEsqP+cOMw== Subject: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I understand how the outer trim ring attaches but my question is should the clip at the bottom be closed or open. In other words, is it open enough for the tab to push through and latch or is it closed and the tab has to be pushed below the clip and into the opening? Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 12:07:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EA242823 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A7040551 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w6so949424lbh.19 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:03:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=XPsKMLfDryaJDi5/KjGD3fisvAOM8DZDXRmkG3XPC9A=; b=W+JaOFoNQ2bFxGe3uJ/fojwb2ZON/RzFzsCrjOW5vCbhMDj/5pSE9B1Mzn3gQakOok z6ACbGAzjVCy/WhSNAjiPr2R6z3A7DGsayhONWiqOU+Y75PApY6FcqDYzRNF0HruvYMS p+AjBn9ZcQgdNDi8IPWLw858Zm1/LvQkZiFxzy4pNW1fuUivDlnGExR73w/unPpV7G/F KE9VpMkmRcUu7Xjw/ltuV5t267gIYjdy/jzrxxfywiZGF7XDOxqZWvvpycRsQk2RSGut xdh1FLP4es5wgAduCxNaEcwIFaSop4p/RC4rONQrF3/Eyb1XKms3XDiWrIhN2HzZqSMC sXuQ== sa3mr2615258lbb.12.1381927192615; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:39:32 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:39:32 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Roll bar and tonneau. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I looked at the one on my TR6 last night - it was given to me with the roll bar I bought for $100 bucks - great deal! The individual that modified this tonneau did a fine job. They made separate vinyl pieces that fit around the rollbar upright that is complete with velcro closure.it looks like they located it after the tonneau was in place (based on the witness marks on the underside of the tonneau and then sewed these pieces in place. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 12:51:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC9340535 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5342C40448 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1zR8YkKZYlQA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Puli6KL7RdGcy4KvfjQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=MovjwzxRu9sA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:49887] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 17/A9-23147-910EE525; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:51:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:51:05 +0000 From: Randall To: ''Triumphs'' , cfmtr3a@verizon.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- CFM-TR wrote: > I understand how the outer trim ring attaches but my question is should the > clip at the bottom be closed or open. In other words, is it open enough for > the tab to push through and latch or is it closed and the tab has to be > pushed below the clip and into the opening? I could be mistaken, but I believe the clip is supposed to be closed (or nearly so), and the tab spreads the legs of the (spring) clip as it gets pushed into place. But I've always had to use the back end of the removal tool to push the tabs through, so maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 12:58:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D24542EEF for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE3340448 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3FE26700028F2 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dbb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.135]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 13FF7E0000AD for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:58:15 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 108.91.70.189 by webmail-d226.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:58:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:58:14 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1381949900; bh=+b07jbAsEYOPfSX2ME6/7cRKc/tO22ixwkrI0o+olCY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PXGiqsLC/Y0+6dAp6diHFD8UEUDCMohLiPmHrPVWG62kxRdDzPynINTMPgxnazmsM XLfIHORytQBHcna9j5fCGmSSKes6ChXCS9GZCNOOkLtymIfUbREZ3uA/P4fjddJczF Wy/I0izSRzj41FhmdcVpjUxkWBaVfy4pDoj2MOno= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c525ee1c76cbf Subject: Re: [TR] Tr4 door seals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, FYI: I have a 1/4" snippit from a 'new old stock' TR4/4A door seal (which was on eBay, and winner sent me a snippit).. and shown alongside TRF's 'made in England' version from a couple years ago (I can send you photo) - they are not greatly matched. TRF's foot piece is smaller than original, and the folded over foam portion, which is supposed to be all foam, is partially solid rubber. And the profile is slightly different - this combination makes it; loose in the channel, overly wide, and difficult to squish. Good luck! Carl '63 TR4 since '74 Thanks to all that replied. I suspect my problem is the Moss sourced door seals may be a bit larger than the originals. And thanks for the tip on the 3M adhesive Dave.. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 20:17:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1137842EEE for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408C04054C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rp16so1654275pbb.28 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:16:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oKMwZ0MAKzVrbb9Vy9n1L2SFW+zPJP6HEebhsT3tpM8=; b=T7A1abMreSs0KWPrXeXs+0BVXjgXFydTsv4v1Zn2e98YHA0JCFNjpQfq4OzkZTUM+h ROdzY9R/g4rCr7OpzZTvnt0L0TBu6TsGNNMPnjXdEuYp72IJ6GNScb5tBK9xR9Gi65mt PHYYHoU9rTUQ5Tk0GLM78eji+8EBK1PHA8f5lPsPR4dJUni3WFpVx0eAFIuNsADyLUFI 52CHh0WpNKWqWaMZtFq1kaawOBZCcc9ZIfaHZGw3W0LgDkXvvVXoR1TfV0cvfYf70PjK 7m/tzeQ1MXgmXwJMq5IXZEk5U8lvtAOo3iy2DczuZFUQEFn9qWT211JnCXlZY9jckumN ygRQ== c10mr6562961pat.98.1381976179081; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.44.49 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:16:19 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Event next summer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Starting to look at next summer's calendar already and since we missed the VARAC races at Mosport this year, wanted to be sure to get them next summer. Looks good: http://varac.ca/news/varac-2014-canadian-historic-grand-prix-at-mosport-june-13-15/ Went there last year with the grandson, who at 7 years old found it very interesting to go down to the creek to catch frogs. And here I thought he'd be into the cars! This summer he asked if we were going again, but we had other obligations, so next year we don't want to miss it. Jim ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 17 19:36:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9885A42FAD for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D1942F4B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2013 01:35:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.163] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2013 01:35:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1074.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2013 01:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 47142 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2013 01:35:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382060147; bh=2/3SU6V0reHvLGwgNMIzZDE3pyEpBEc0ZvsCmFarxK4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zvvLTTA9ToLD/OjLF6IJ6ablmkFOuJpp1W7+n9CGR30Ld+8aREN7eFi6xQauGbrIquiJ4TfyfiXeNWHLHENXTgO84OveZuSD0cgQ4XU8a/rjbvmFsZHQO6QZdosdD5+WiVUlkdqX47yP8255mr9dojoP6mD+EYHk0reMd7bbbgg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0E3FOYe5t7+xKnPBKq8fNwXJEPM5O7aXtNYs6N66gpxVqTYMn3tZxaHUP4KASudUnbJxlZsdDVtz58CPgTTfgTAbLNKIwFB1iib7JaemHJMMJoNlRqlzYs/JW3VcCAJSvkj5dZtalsu/96nUwPmu2ZZdeelUESffvh5S6BqMiEk=; FNEkaVJV4yugSohmu9pdMlNx_1XVhm4SbV6sLm1BUx7htZ8MrrIeaXW001cA IMSZGTvKJWgzhaVaoeifU8da7kXTJuI98HZlvWbMIKo58BFxuJE9536P46hi f55_4VH7S0zJPMnKSAAgVnL7QMy46pSCAkqELzx1_QZcqjoz.DUhRS_JsWx5 SrJnl_7LIBQesItgbXqEQj9shMtaVp1TcM8YfWTKNW2T327Yc8EHgxzVJHF9 wTFpsgURTizIRflkUEmEHZDQ2e.9jFts2v1fks6xOwDTVu_XuhO9nI5sAlUf CRpMiz8fA4NxTedwP1cPkAjBvhZ1XiQaqF0z5LrHBUmoNnSI0rFjradNqHbF vcUluwrIQNdOtEfFFbMEjScCJt2V9B1mZ7nImzdfUEQhUC_v9dces6j6Hf79 WY.NyagFh_1a2ezE3fwykfjXug52VxlSH5CPnEH0lNyJRARbaCQycE3pJkoB QeF3KKEtew2he0x0shd6BW39F_axQeeQMWrr48PjuQ9zTSKaPv_6mbGah93v u77FHUzdXKP7XqQPceta4 Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:35:47 PDT SSd2ZSBmaW5hbGx5IGhvb2tlZCB1cCBteSBhZnRlci1tYXJrZXQgaGVhdGVyIGluIHRoZSB0ci0zIChteXJhZGluZSlzcD_CoCBJIHBsYW4gb24gZHJpdmluZyB0aGUgY2FyIHJpZ2h0IHVwIHRvIHRoZSBmaXJzdCBzbm93IHNvIEkgd2FudGVkIHRvIHNlZSBob3cgd2VsbCBpdCB3b3JrZWQuwqAgSSBkcm92ZSBhcm91bmQgZm9yIDIwIG1pbnV0ZXMgaW4gNTAgZGVncmVlIHdlYXRoZXIgd2l0aCB0b3AgdXAgYnV0IG5vIHNpZGVzY3JlZW5zIG9uLsKgIAoKCkkgd2FzIGEgbGl0dGxlIHN1cnByaXNlZCBpbiB0aGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 18:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] cool heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've finally hooked up my after-market heater in the tr-3 (myradine)sp? I plan on driving the car right up to the first snow so I wanted to see how well it worked. I drove around for 20 minutes in 50 degree weather with top up but no sidescreens on. I was a little surprised in that I thought the flow of air would be stronger on the highest setting. On the highest level it was ok but not what expected. Especially when all air was diverted to the defrosters.......barely could feel air on passenger side windscreen but it was stronger on drivers side windscreen. I also was surprised at the temperature of the air. It was warm but not hot. I could feel the heater hoses with my bare hands without feeling burned or uncomfortable (after the 20 minute run). I then went to the engine and also put hands on the radiator hoses.....upper and lower without major pain. Upper was some warmer. My temperature guage is not accurate but in testing the radiator with a meat thermometer I'm from 180 to 185. I'm thinking that buttoning the car up with sidescreens, I'll be very comfortable with the heater in cool weather. It won't have to heat the car in typical Iowa winter weather. I'm just surprised at how cool the car seems to be running. It's a good problem to have! Anyone else have similar results? gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 17 23:40:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF5542F41 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE77642F41 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:40:01 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=HRFt28RT8csA:10 a=oAJJLsxhEyjmjpPnU5YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 59/05-27766-699C0625; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:39:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:39:42 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7LonirmU2AJyX1QmeGfk5Xx0f7IQAH75Jw Subject: Re: [TR] cool heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I then went to the engine and also put hands on > the radiator > hoses.....upper and lower without major pain. Upper was some > warmer. > > My > temperature guage is not accurate but in testing the radiator > with a meat > thermometer I'm from 180 to 185. This part puzzles me. You're saying that the radiator is hot, but the hose leading to it is not? How thick were your mittens? I can't hold my hand on 180F even with major pain. However, if your thermostat is working properly, I would expect to find the bottom of the radiator significantly cooler in cooler weather (assuming there is air flowing through it). At 50F outdoors, the upper hose & tank should be hot though (about the same temperature your thermostat opens at). If not, your thermostat may be stuck open. I've had similar problems (when I lived in a cooler climate) with lack of circulation through the heater. The stock pipes & hoses are small and long, and seem to present a lot of resistance to flow compared to the path through the head and bypass hose. Something that might be worth fiddling with (but I never tried for that purpose) would be adding some restriction to the bypass, to force more water through the heater. I actually went as far as enlarging the holes in the head & water pump housing, and replumbing the system in larger pipes & hoses (1/2" id copper pipe plus short couplers of 5/8" heater hose). But then I moved to CA and never got to see how much improvement I achieved. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 18 06:16:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3034042FBF for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAE740542 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 73AB070146E84 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.197]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3D07CE000085 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:15:25 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1382098525; bh=ceNFZoCjX9xS9TsrNyu7R0Ch9oWuCFAuPshr+YCB7ww=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iWam4mI9XVlxvmttImyv/f3QlG7NbpViEnby/blVNCTxTk+k+T/D9ibaUUl9an8gy xltOByJdK18XdpZBTyUomqlJXSw0ebZou9lywkDit0c3adatauG1CHBdfa6ldEfc6I FZ8kvo0BUQ+Z1kReTp7f8XAh8FadVjykji/FpJyo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c75261265d68c5 Subject: Re: [TR] cool heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I forgot what drove me to do this but many years ago I pulled my heater and backflushed it. The amount of crud I got out of that thing was amazing. Since both hoses connect at the top any crud that gets in there stays there. Using a hose I flushed it one way and then the other and back and forth until the amount of stuff coming out reduced to the point that I thought I was starting to waste my time (either that or I got bored with the process). I don't know if it helped or not since I have my TR6 for cold weather driving but it could help. Dave In a message dated 10/17/2013 8:35:59 PM Central Daylight Time, nafzigerg@yahoo.com writes: > I was a little surprised in that I thought the flow of > air would be stronger on the highest setting. On the highest level it was > ok > but not what expected. Especially when all air was diverted to the > defrosters.......barely could feel air on passenger side windscreen but it > was > stronger on drivers side windscreen. > > I also was surprised at the temperature of the air. It was warm but not > hot. I could feel the heater > hoses with my bare hands without feeling burned or uncomfortable (after > the 20 > minute run). I then went to the engine and also put hands on the radiator > hoses.....upper and lower without major pain. Upper was some warmer. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 18 09:38:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5835442F19 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D936340423 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w6so3256364lbh.19 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=JRDocd1Aon0LaiYuT9hAECaZkRrv9tS4kPIKGVEbBDo=; b=QlwWMJUvmdxVfn+xoLP22iP7G1YC4+Tvl7htOuNn3L/3Tnm1AAJJCMLtAPx0tX3xJ5 GSTquT4+WdzDW1hjf5L5RqGM7mIPy/lFatV39pXchyQg2CD0bb4Ynm1x5U6LsWaAnIhn oMQ7ENSfoHmfMDbrsmJkifgYIq6BZpZUw7m5K0RyphbjfTJ8PzXBbVjs4vGqqVeqv4GS scAjPNAbztj8x+LIFl9qnqZT25i8asx3tWA585KDjBy29K9OciI+M9oHaOFn9/4B9Hg6 RbpEuU/ShfUswFc7+kYXFjarvTc++n/sYCyz467GYqfmn2LV3SdvVMb9zHBqHlBrM5e3 FK7A== zk3mr2979726lbb.23.1382110689578; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:37:49 -0400 To: list Triumph , nafzigerg@yahoo.com Subject: [TR] TR3 maradyne heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recommended the Maradyne to a friend of mine who buit up a TR3 rat rod from a less than optimal Ebay purchase.. He did the normal swapping of fittings and worked hard to keep the number of 90 degree turns down and is happy with the results. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Suchy Date: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:50 AM Subject: TR3 heater and control valve To: Chris Simo Good morning Chris! I just wanted to send you some pictures of the Meradyne heater in my TR3 and the heater control valve I installed. The valve is the one you recommended that is like the one Pual has. I ordered mine off the Internet. The heater and the valve work really well. Frank and I drove the TR3 to the TCOC dinner last Thursday. It was really chilly while we were driving home, so Frank said let's try the heater. I reached over and pulled the cable knob for the heater control valve and Frank turned on the heater fan and out flowed nice warm air. I think that Meradyne heater warms the TR3 better than the original heater. I think it might be ok to drive the TR3 with the top down during the winter unless it is really cold. Will still need coat and hat since the cold air still comes in over the doors, but it will probably be bearable, even for cold blooded me. :-) Regards, Bob [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_5163.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_5164.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 18 10:26:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB2442F8D for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE61640542 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2013 16:26:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2013 16:26:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2013 16:26:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382113572; bh=4knhjvJYqHA6H5jlHCJW9xYXh1C2iWYh8jLqMBiN3Jw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=o4i+48cMo8A8PbtRxqMwI3WjPUjTgoNX3ixlig9uYsjV9tYFBO6ADb4r+sxX1omnXSMJAz2TGIfTGkCwOyYpxgVgyZ8fmCtBoA80NEHVyrRDzLzdluX4cASb3uMVHOWioR7AZrUd3rvwh+Qx/KBOAuQ0yaktUEOPlYWsX9shQB4= Gcb1zO5clfqaQxqISYOFE152MB67cxt1r7mlY4H_BYC5ptnfrQ8Ri0r0Zet1 u9ck3_lg6e3gOAHBrMZvvar3ABY_yzsRReLgp5qaeCOLuHZecrpkueaigi_4 jmK2thUEOURTTl69sgo.3BQOF5mlK4iLaopufK8zGiDWFf6vqueg6q83vNKD Fl5os6LEc8LF.oIE3NtEaIwwViIpn8NVfTbpODGOC.P.8U79zBHaMDfCMujk ql7py3u5kJ2qwJfMnFikOWkPH6HajYoXXjLn1_B5nUWKFxqmSK3irQ7NhJDF KkYQrMKoc_JgNDlMVXViFhSD.QuMUt.BVZWj4P26tC6ZtLYbAVjFriWadj7K pYBQxLCaz3HWipOxls8Jvo6hnAfmEZIs9kP3nVA_w03IYijJ74M.qq5RxKM9 iUXZq.w7pEAQkFGmMHT0QAIBIQyJlGzWEPSBVGKqDKtc8U.MCGMUaTQCgl4G Hs_F5bHJ40PefEJtqJ5qZ7CM3r8_rk.RTxbMf2sIgUiajgI8GWjR7AV10NrN iCx1gBMv8PKjkz3VXqsltplr5OleYqOTF_4ZykH2kLe2k3iLh7trRF6oUYtd VIWUylRfUe8bs1qa176v62BbTKzXfYfsYTwABlA-- smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2013 16:26:12 +0000 UTC From: To: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:26:20 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7MHrfV+nss1fVNSa+529TX/GF23Q== Subject: [TR] Happy Birthday TCF2549L Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 51 years ago today as the production of the TR3 was weeks from concluding TCF2549L "Aunt B" was produced and despatched to the US, as all TR3Bs were. Delivered to a dealer in New Jersey she spent most of her life in the Pennsylvania/New England area until moving to Houston about 10 years ago. I have owned the car for about a year now and am slowly restoring her past the many neglected years of sand & salt driving. IF you know anything of this car, I still have many gaps in the history line, I would appreciate whatever you might me able to fill in. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 18 14:44:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7054055D for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f172.google.com (mail-ye0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D30940408 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r9so1050297yen.3 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:43:23 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=2zDNT2zk3KK/sKOMpv3nPSCXC+96KOPLNk/VxKUtRWg=; b=MZsiE950CQlO7/A/cIaQK8i2U9OZ//lQ+Z4hAqirR7jWl/9JBTpdmU35Guov1mmLRo boaXhM2WuTB1BN0tDkypcO1dhuwa551OEIX86qTRZxhA7zxg87A0iO619OqHnMpjzfUK jMVsZUShbHmfXaasWFafBTS6FYaSWoc0DHXIMsvkrQjDdJkK7Zxlq7i6e7ev0bRoNmdY gG4UDn/3jMHkm77vfQviT3kUEzdX9fCFYhdQeTRhhBLcovKY/1goE/QBLQZJnbf9jvxo frehI0la/926kgvsVP+1mpIKpBVK+KeWbL9HUc5e6Hch6segisagHC74yOz9y+lq0+ru /9sg== e44mr3651254yha.16.1382129003234; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Chuck (107-211-102-56.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. [107.211.102.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j67sm5341071yhe.26.2013.10.18.13.43.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:43:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chuck" To: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:43:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7MQrUkhVbHA8nXQiyRamGeMbbDDA== Subject: [TR] Tom White Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Would Tom White contact me regarding your tonneau installation article? Thanks! Chuck White triumph.driver@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 06:41:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55D443095 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4648D4306D for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:41:04 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=NstH/AqhdciyzIkMDNAMNHoP8KQ+KZ8tgAsWgfBygnLkCusZBi7KicCxtQgrD5Ti; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VXsH5-0000It-Ks for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:38:27 -0400 Received: from 66.226.122.200 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:38:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:38:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have any power and then died. I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies again. Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas through. Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? Roger Elliott 68 TR 250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 06:46:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81834309A for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBB74306D for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so2316522vbj.28 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 05:45:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CuprCz6pbPwx1x080SQGfgy8DSRZeqsVc3oRevtxYb8=; b=ewRkoWl0rY/Hu0T+cfs5R4BKUGxMn0iNxWAo7HLXEWdq3YQ9alSQv3AqCr7Z+D39JS 24OmBAWpxOa9TdPCvs3gyJseM+Ki+tTjdh3aN6fVycHb0+2d+ETQ77M27WvtYexuIKZH CL5SZ+YI0BY/0qiNrgQgb+adH7fxP4LJqfzDuGdwE+QHRiYCczjdsPvFJTvs61AKKEfT KIIzWBvY9G3QKHgE4GKNP390/LTLgrGexGVfe+CgIyRKu+uI9uAkIxr3VMVB7r/YEYX5 IVvr+kR58kFJ5ZgaowPzpftjPuiWLy/7yNAIgcgdc5JjW+H0bzEZcDoKuCVToIHhLuk1 +2Lw== ls15mr627534vec.17.1382273150968; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.10 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:45:50 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: Roger Elliott Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A coil going bad will cause the car to quit on you. Check your other diaphragm. Al On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It > has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have > any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine > while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto > the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 > diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would not > die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas through. > > > Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. > > So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? > > 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? > > Roger Elliott > 68 TR 250 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/alansalvy@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 07:41:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8704307E for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A173C40434 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9CFDF70035450 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5E80EE000081 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:36:06 -0400 (EDT) References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.234) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:36:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:36:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1382276166; bh=/9IT26OJRUBoCWrB/3ULQp+ylH6qFyoMjL1ssHewpEw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wisRyJPQ9BtLmh+pEPBVmmlkC5qV4iXazb1bkYPIrEk/3lBaQrM3WWLiCU4PWS0le sdw1Mc0PJOw9wxuhce51z9dZuFYHLItByoSP5E85d/tTvlvzdbLSH68geEFPGCqbH1 4/nKnFO1C+InNrdNHXbP00RqYZMJOqZiGfH02+R8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c5263dc4629b7 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Did you by chance fill up with diesel? With enough gas mixed in it might still run but poorly. I don't know of any shops in Hannibal but maybe if you start working on it whistling a happy tuen you can convince someone else how much fun it is and they will pay you to work on it for you. Seriously, it sounds like a typical bad fuel issue and any shop that does more than oil changes can help. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Roger Elliott Hi, We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have any power and then died. I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies again. Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas through. Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? Roger Elliott 68 TR 250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 07:41:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850D143087 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC95740434 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:58033] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 37/3D-19454-8ACD3625; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:37:44 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Roger Elliott" , References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:37:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It almost has to be electrical or fuel delivery, unlikely that a vacuum leak would come up out of the blue and be so bad that it killed the car completely. When you say it doesn't seem to be electrical, have you actually checked for spark, pull a plug wire and hold it close to a ground while the motor turns over? When you say it loses power and dies, does it just sort of quietly run out of steam and then dies, or miss and run rough then die? Lastly, don't know about a local mechanic, question for the list, isn't there a Triumph Touring Rescue Society or something like that out there with a list of people nationwide who have tools, garages, and some expertise to help in situations like this? Greg Lemon 68 TR250 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Elliott" Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38 AM To: Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It > has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have > any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine > while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto > the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies > again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 > diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would > not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas > through. > > > Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. > > So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? > > 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? > > Roger Elliott > 68 TR 250 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 08:01:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0317B4309D for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766674303D for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS46 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:01:03 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Roger Elliott'" , References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:01:03 -0500 Thread-Index: AQLPNxTF8aNxtiZDfjugRZx7LDe84wJJGLj/l+qAXsA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[D0603000:01CECD9C] Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In Missouri some pumps have diesel and gasoline from the same pump. But usually gasoline is one pump hose and diesel is a different (green) pump hose and handle. If you need someone with Triumph experience, our closest St. Louis Triumph Owners Association member is Bill Wahl in Louisiana MO 573-754-4820. Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Lemon Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:38 AM To: Roger Elliott; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo It almost has to be electrical or fuel delivery, unlikely that a vacuum leak would come up out of the blue and be so bad that it killed the car completely. When you say it doesn't seem to be electrical, have you actually checked for spark, pull a plug wire and hold it close to a ground while the motor turns over? When you say it loses power and dies, does it just sort of quietly run out of steam and then dies, or miss and run rough then die? Lastly, don't know about a local mechanic, question for the list, isn't there a Triumph Touring Rescue Society or something like that out there with a list of people nationwide who have tools, garages, and some expertise to help in situations like this? Greg Lemon 68 TR250 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Elliott" Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38 AM To: Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. > It has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't > have any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran > fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we > got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power > and dies again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 > diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably > would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the > gas through. > > > Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. > > So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? > > 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? > > Roger Elliott > 68 TR 250 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/creig555@live.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 08:14:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84904309D for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C63403F0 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 08:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id uz6so4737252obc.6 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pvptPyRUlqrZcucREpkwvulP0hv+1xdQQyI/wlp5HRQ=; b=CHhzXAtQh7Zy3u8Khyn8LjAxZbz8sCj/RZXwy0FZsDSBQJzI2BnkOY+TZR6FR3kHXm gvpF17knSRAjHhVGsvNx49DFPBkDGT4IDZw39aLH+3XlfkmPy0Z8mb12rYO6iB3iPXhu YVRqSW+/QZaa7f4DJOi2VJg+LuyhU5x1y76Q8KXD7QJgBpaa2uGpORprU9C8imgKDnq4 IocAiX8q7owA99KQj7V+y1w4ZMvBYXMxddL57tBv/haRstb/gpR7ydMDipSAgS78LR2r qKkuXOkd98rod+0fwU0lU5Y4f8xdeBRx7qfR0jQUDFPq+6OlH5Wz+wtbh0h3F0WoEWqL cKEQ== nr1mr29317obc.48.1382278400874; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm23728470obo.7.2013.10.20.07.13.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:13:18 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/20/13 6:37 AM, Greg Lemon wrote: > When you say it loses power and dies, does it just sort of quietly > run out of steam and then dies, or miss and run rough then die? I once accidentally filled 2 of the Land Rover's 3 fuel tanks up with diesel. I was tired and it was the first time I had encountered a single pump stand that pumped both petrol and diesel. The truck ran fine as I left the station but as I was on the nearby freeway on ramp the truck suddenly started acting like a gremlin had suddenly randomly swapped around spark plugs. It ran sorta with almost no power and laid out a black smoke screen out the rear. A local shop pumped out one of my fuel tanks to use in their shop heater and I took the other one home to be used as solvent. There is no confusing a petrol engine running on diesel with an electrical problem. Could be: - Coil going bad - Condenser going bad - Slipped points - clogged fuel filter but you replaced it - hole in fuel pump diaphragm - water in fuel - check sediment bowl but do not remove it unless you have a spare sediment bowl gasket in hand - float valve not opening. Probably more but these are likely the most common. My vote is a bad condenser. 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I put in 6 cans of HEET gas treatment to dry out the gas and got it running good enough to go down the road....burned out half I f that gas and refilled and it ran fine. You'd know if you filled with diesel. 1. It smells WAY different than gas an 2. Its 70 cents or more expensive than gas. We're just driving through st. Louis now. If you're headed back through Tulsa say hey on the way through. Chad in Tulsa Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 11:02:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F8A40520 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4928403F4 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fU0R1m0080b6N64AFV0wRo; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 17:00:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fV0y1m0104L5TyG8PV0zop; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 17:00:59 +0000 From: Bud R To: Roger Elliott Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:00:58 -0600 References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> s=q20121106; t=1382288456; bh=ZojuntYqHbYFtlsq2gYZdOp/GSm5776qxSA9n3vQSoY=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=JaYrTh7z+WnAcfpH/h8J8yG2W9ExTuqGp8Gn5Fb2Dz8jE9c3zKqnePrDTJWvKwTDk 2pAVB9URlv/nDeGuKtNMWCrYqGmfNIYl4hHGFK1vsW7krwQcuR8zYt62zgX4IrEAxS YfW83xmFenegWqn8GHtUCd7Yla97Jx+bUI+XW0FxGLA4O9/JyRObUgzP9teHCj6Yid /OS89bDzbljaqLq6E4nfSbU0LKR1S+Ubqio/aAmzEB/lgH1eMbW04QR4x4PjSBBAuI mZ58tDdlOYK96AyGvM3MKk0Qw3oEuOasEs4cnI1rvOS0ESAphcE72rk0n9QaYPbBm5 GNIlDoUM5CcXQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Compression, spark, fuel. Assuming you didn't blown all the rings out at once you need to know if you have spark at the end of a spark plug wire and gas from the fuel pump to the carbs. Testing for spark should be easy, testing for fuel flow means pulling a fuel line and turning the engine over for a few spins. That will get you on the right track. Basically go back from there in that system to see what the problem is and what part isn't doing it's job. E.g. if there's no gas then check the fuel pump, if no spark check the cap/rotor and so on. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last > week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it > didn't have any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran > fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we > we got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of > power and dies again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 > diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably > would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the > gas through. > > > Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. > > So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? > > 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? > > Roger Elliott > 68 TR 250 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 11:16:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B904306D for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540BB40402 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fVBF1m00K2QmmGk01VBGwT; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 10:11:17 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:10:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net if you have electronic ignition, and the alternator is going bad, those are pretty much the symptoms. ask me how I know . . . -----Original Message----- From: Roger Elliott Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Hi, We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have any power and then died. I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies again. Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas through. Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? Roger Elliott 68 TR 250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 13:54:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F84F40513 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F43640434 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MUZ00LZ7GL4QT30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:53:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "Dave" , References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <54030BD67DF14CB580436180EE1F589B@Datsun> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:53:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, - TANK VENY CLOG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As it was running for a bit before dieing.... just open up the gas cap and see if it runs right away. ...this is the result of a clogged tank vent The vacuum in the tank is limiting fuel flow Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > if you have electronic ignition, and the alternator is going bad, those > are pretty much the symptoms. ask me how I know . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Elliott > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It > has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have > any power and then died. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 19:01:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225C440524 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:01:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB87F403F4 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:01:16 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=mdQdCPiUcOhw2fkfPx7CV1GBrrAAwivwsY6b8j9wX5wLLyJe/FIpyGMYNX0Xhe09; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VY3r7-00086f-UB for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:00:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:00:33 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <54030BD67DF14CB580436180EE1F589B@Datsun> Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Everyone, Thanks for the suggestions. We ended up renting a truck and trailer to get the car home. A few more details that I did not include in the first email as I was using a tablet and it was not working well. Car has a Pertronix on it (couple of years old). Would it fail this way or just quit? Alternator seems to be good. Ammeter is indicating charging when I would expect it it and a drain basically only when starting. I am pretty sure the pump we used did not have diesel and I know I pressed the 91 octane button, so I don't think that is the problem. The last couple of times it died on a test drive this morning, I pulled over to the side, and the car started back up immediately and could drive another mile. So, it was off for less than a minute. My thinking is that would not be long enough for the coil to cool down. But this makes it very hard to check spark or gas problems because by the time I could open the hood, it would be willing to run again. Seems to idle fine. The car doesn't sputter. It just seems to run out of steam and dies. I have to keep pressing the pedal more and the car keeps slowing down until it dies. I checked the other diaphragm this morning. It was fine. The car does run rich, but it has for a long time and it does not seem to richer now than in the past based on fuel consumption. I guess I am leaning towards the fuel pump, the coil, one of the hoses I did not replace, or the floats getting stuck. Thaks everyone. Roger On 10/20/2013 12:10 PM, Dave wrote: > if you have electronic ignition, and the alternator is going bad, > those are pretty much the symptoms. ask me how I know . . . > > -----Original Message----- From: Roger Elliott > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. > It has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't > have any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran > fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we > got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power > and dies again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 > diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would > not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas > through. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 19:48:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB3740524 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF42403F2 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fdMN1m0021eYJf8ABdnL7X; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:47:20 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fdnK1m00F0dYjAz01dnKH7; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:47:20 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Roger Elliott'" , References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <54030BD67DF14CB580436180EE1F589B@Datsun> <52647CB1.2050500@rmi.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:47:19 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7N+Rj7dEWSgtO+QGKWmBmi7a9WzwABYwUQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1382320040; bh=VS3W+XURUJAp7B/vulgGYwNwdbXduB2D7SdCupXAatc=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qtNo4bZh7rx73yB8EqVGl2TpCNb21NHIXTuzkZjoNolbmjTg01IXnx5E5XXY+Ww+W PRu44QSObXFD8bc2B4yx6j41X4ZR9JJz0XlLAaw3qYljK2GBAScB/w2FKDaNxHnb7U RXW6dGSYXdU8s/8PJwTFAlG39NVmHkv4DenJOAf/92qNawS/zAYCOasS40jrUzK7bX 8IQe1pTx8ArrwrBz5Ij7q1hCOjbNgLGN4JH43mUq2qXkb5tXVkwPkOsvvH2UW5AvFE nCy6OxPFZ6mAsR56gpLOJ00/pj5oGEYZVXYCx2kKcMNrjMmTXdwL2NGCzk/vUHxxfY Ni4EyuLGg8XjQ== Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had 2 Pertronix units fail, neither time was it a complete quit, but the symptoms were misfiring and backfiring. Still, might be worth putting in points, at least until you figure out what's going on. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:01 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Hi Everyone, Thanks for the suggestions. We ended up renting a truck and trailer to get the car home. A few more details that I did not include in the first email as I was using a tablet and it was not working well. Car has a Pertronix on it (couple of years old). Would it fail this way or just quit? Alternator seems to be good. Ammeter is indicating charging when I would expect it it and a drain basically only when starting. I am pretty sure the pump we used did not have diesel and I know I pressed the 91 octane button, so I don't think that is the problem. The last couple of times it died on a test drive this morning, I pulled over to the side, and the car started back up immediately and could drive another mile. So, it was off for less than a minute. My thinking is that would not be long enough for the coil to cool down. But this makes it very hard to check spark or gas problems because by the time I could open the hood, it would be willing to run again. Seems to idle fine. The car doesn't sputter. It just seems to run out of steam and dies. I have to keep pressing the pedal more and the car keeps slowing down until it dies. I checked the other diaphragm this morning. It was fine. The car does run rich, but it has for a long time and it does not seem to richer now than in the past based on fuel consumption. I guess I am leaning towards the fuel pump, the coil, one of the hoses I did not replace, or the floats getting stuck. Thaks everyone. Roger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 21:18:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97C6403F4 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9F7403F0 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [96.234.180.202]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MV00089T15A5S90@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:17:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "ptegler" To: "Roger Elliott" , References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <54030BD67DF14CB580436180EE1F589B@Datsun> <52647CB1.2050500@rmi.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net did you check for fuel flow blockage (tank segiment) and or vacuum in the tank (blocked vent starving the carbs) Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Elliott" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > Hi Everyone, > Thanks for the suggestions. We ended up renting a truck and trailer to > get the car home. > > A few more details that I did not include in the first email as I was > using a tablet and it was not working well. > > Car has a Pertronix on it (couple of years old). Would it fail this way > or just quit? > > Alternator seems to be good. Ammeter is indicating charging when I > would expect it it and a drain basically only when starting. > > I am pretty sure the pump we used did not have diesel and I know I > pressed the 91 octane button, so I don't think that is the problem. > > The last couple of times it died on a test drive this morning, I pulled ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 21:57:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EC640440 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C2340333 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 03:51:09 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.75] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 03:51:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp237.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 03:51:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382327469; bh=+0ER2ABVgcJOhRIn6wOKuPncTnN+yEJNpogkOjbqxQk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=PqCvCyN7997YSNqZYTwM3l7NAjG70lPKsY82HDfGhY3jMSEgT4VfmLgA30yEGNrCfO9IQR4oBcrZeoNAFevP3dQZ6Im+EOFAGd5YvgRQsf8l8L/blT4fz4acAlU5YPWrAWilW6o3AN3YrM13MsaNERWf5fjXNpjfv7sQIG7h01k= UQX_yKKBQfh2Vvp0GcSp_Q4oglTZAmngvicgC.AMREmnYywOum3B4WwyXJqk NcYP8V4GWtktxe6daOUfTQzN1hMUM.SV5hTj2OaUegLU0aaTEO8lw.swW0hD sd2yUB.qcV.1lyJQxybnC2z9sKdUG84dWBQBqpL5_XUU6ur..JTcYMd8z7xR v.5uu7jASFXn36wi8CwthXs7VYkP6JOFxWRdMJs2emzObLNShr19ZptZHgRV QUqR4Sskh1O7P4qHIROm8olXT5JX1jK1gwSKEGvr8UIf0lKcGEUyoiEBEmb1 _INhHhjDjRjWimR4ae1KZ9r.ougDvOisZbpREtz9.eUXjy9l14gf7JuJZnxy f7b8YT30e9F4plgkSFDDjiz4CKTQDP8w87UIrH85VhKFGvV3fBrRG9ww_YjV f7Ri2Y3BnTvCNWTgDcoXM1s6cjHMCw7zQ_6C.iNGkpS6pgCJPKU7EtnCTvea sf_Qdl8QCjXvpycAyi7FjWE7o_Y8B3zxXrXg9JAoI.4BpDtbMjPv6f0kATR1 Sy9YSjMQDrD5kQuWJMUm_.nMJCHeKPMXdK7aWQVii7tvTlBEdJYE_7xoio_p bcQ-- smtp237.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2013 03:51:09 +0000 UTC References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <54030BD67DF14CB580436180EE1F589B@Datsun> <52647CB1.2050500@rmi.net> From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:51:06 -0500 To: Roger Elliott Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Roger, good to hear you made it home. From that. Description I would point to the fuel filter, then points and condenser. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > Thanks for the suggestions. We ended up renting a truck and trailer to get the car home. > > A few more details that I did not include in the first email as I was using a tablet and it was not working well. > > Car has a Pertronix on it (couple of years old). Would it fail this way or just quit? > > Alternator seems to be good. Ammeter is indicating charging when I would expect it it and a drain basically only when starting. > > I am pretty sure the pump we used did not have diesel and I know I pressed the 91 octane button, so I don't think that is the problem. > > The last couple of times it died on a test drive this morning, I pulled over to the side, and the car started back up immediately and could drive another mile. So, it was off for less than a minute. My thinking is that would not be long enough for the coil to cool down. But this makes it very hard to check spark or gas problems because by the time I could open the hood, it would be willing to run again. Seems to idle fine. > > The car doesn't sputter. It just seems to run out of steam and dies. I have to keep pressing the pedal more and the car keeps slowing down until it dies. > > I checked the other diaphragm this morning. It was fine. > > The car does run rich, but it has for a long time and it does not seem to richer now than in the past based on fuel consumption. > > I guess I am leaning towards the fuel pump, the coil, one of the hoses I did not replace, or the floats getting stuck. > > Thaks everyone. > Roger > >> On 10/20/2013 12:10 PM, Dave wrote: >> if you have electronic ignition, and the alternator is going bad, those are pretty much the symptoms. ask me how I know . . . >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Roger Elliott >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38 AM >> To: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo >> >> Hi, >> We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. >> >> It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have any power and then died. >> >> >> I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies again. >> >> >> Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas through. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 21:57:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA172403F2 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227CD40333 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ffcT1m0010b6N64AFfsN8J; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:52:22 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ffsR1m00P2xZMJ48PfsRvU; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:52:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:52:25 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Roger Elliott s=q20121106; t=1382327542; bh=1R4MKTPV6SIHPJYDp5WLiQ517jHt4x161IdiSD/EhWc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Lav/Q+IOqatN5cVr9X8nIRrf+QjBmo7d815wJuWic6Mfk/LK27SU3z9Gv7fTx4ftI C7/5bVklnKZzkIvlTvW0ovxBCfI9pPlw/TkAtuIlywe+1kPqhbC/nRVuuJj3jkuxjn XVHCSm1NlCTxfiqx6zdxmuRzz9zPf6kdnKwH5kNIUpXYyoaJLyVzsbKJSglBMaI7vI iBmqO+7F2mF6J4NsBQvdJye8Y+0/2DRy5xVbymDjeDYz8RnKOikeKwjoMYG2tL2LYA +YRKXtF3jQJ17XA+RpRH98M99wpbuUNYeLcrWvZt0vgnZy3ph5Fz7qv/7wusbsPt3M 1dYPg/4mXK72Q== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check the little wire that connects the breaker plate to the distributer body. The rivet can loosen and give intermittent results. I had this happen to my TR4, and moved the wire to the stud that mounts the Pertronix. No problem ever again. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Elliott" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:38:26 AM > Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. > It has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't > have any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran > fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we > got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power > and dies again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 > diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would > not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas > through. > > > Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. > > So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? > > 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? > > Roger Elliott > 68 TR 250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 20 23:57:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FECD40415 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F46140333 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 318CF70004108 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 00:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dne004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dne004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.77]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0D4B8E000085 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 00:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: FordneyNJ@aol.com Full-name: FordneyNJ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 00:51:13 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1382331074; bh=L1cJmx8FIPDppD8Yt7hSVWzbspjTUf+LD4xIMXUQZSg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WA1f3D4E1/c/YctrofdxWOS7C/EgSowiZjfHbuI3L+/GU4mGsOvSxOuCrrdpv+3PV y2xBCI18hxOJ04x2ClJmNajT2IaOiDEz8jwifkOXAWYh5uNsW0GJ4BamBOz/VA1zEP WTtq3vOo89hizfV3uX1874QJMOLSI5mMsIHlWByM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c95264b2c22181 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:38:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Message-ID: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi, We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. Roger, My guess is the condenser is failing. Happened to my 4A. It sputtered and died as if had run out of gas. Good luck. Rodney Ford, Positive Earth Drivers Club Brick, NJ Triumph TR4A IRS Triumph TR 7 Spider ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 05:37:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7A4430B9 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71740430A3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 310DF70000093 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.193]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8737EE000088 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:35:55 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1382355356; bh=s+j+USUkn8Gl6vq9kgZ5YPVRGQ8I7fB4FFaNI/3KUO8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L7s8iH9FuLRKHYiSp8F2lByEwnbOwnfFUqNj5SioFbZZvlqJg7DczYgeUOsR2WDCf x+J+dqM7RVBmFeEjSYZSHtddw+C9PJGkPGGgnBv4Oos4asiFg2ofLTA1zMfvS7E/7A 5gSZjPZfaXbsuFLxiUz+ep7riJwQFnlsJws3ub/I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33895265119b5ab6 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like fuel delivery to me. BTDT. You may have picked up some crud that is blocking the fuel line and only allowing enough fuel to support idle. Once you take off and empty the float bowls the car dies. Dave In a message dated 10/20/2013 8:00:41 PM Central Daylight Time, elliottr@rmi.net writes: > The last couple of times it died on a test drive this morning, I pulled > over to the side, and the car started back up immediately and could > drive another mile. So, it was off for less than a minute. My thinking > is that would not be long enough for the coil to cool down. But this > makes it very hard to check spark or gas problems because by the time I > could open the hood, it would be willing to run again. Seems to idle fine. > > The car doesn't sputter. It just seems to run out of steam and dies. I > have to keep pressing the pedal more and the car keeps slowing down > until it dies. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 09:23:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF5443072 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s28.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s28.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C2542F73 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:22:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT148-W56 ([65.55.90.9]) by snt0-omc1-s28.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:22:02 -0700 From: David Gunn To: triumph list Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:22:02 -0700 FILETIME=[4B175650:01CECE71] Subject: [TR] Triumphest/VTR Pics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi - In case anyone is curious, I have uploaded the pics I took at the 2013 Triumphest/VTR to my Flickr page at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157636342731323/with/10394986455/ Enjoy, David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 11:03:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D797431A8 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A554C43123 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fqoc1m0081zF43QAFt2PEi; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:02:23 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ft2S1m00J0dYjAz8kt2Swz; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:02:27 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'David Gunn'" , "'triumph list'" References: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:02:27 -0700 thread-index: Ac7OcXWaAxcCB+VKQ3is+2VWKd/z1QADIfZA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1382374943; bh=qsXpMT5X8e8bK/L0cDrVgBREfwAHWOtwC7e7prLcL5U=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Re90xFiEhMZAUtyt/lqq/3Ob8HGbyv83HvoLI49Ghz6rrCUrDPJckfC2ErNEMYqs7 r0NX5TdQNDoOguGkRk20rfgEH6hNjAJFTlaxBtieDRdk6uzZGo2S1ipwAM0JW56aU6 h+EitgszbsvHmQ+LsKVjOscjQ1HxRoAJPyNCsOdcsZe2TOSqyen+U9/LqvBl9+xizT i5ABzInGT/HYWeQVuVW/V0RB9inWSCsp8Pw2NX4x0MYBHeeK5ovq4ROIqR4qdD85RZ mrv2WwjG4ioHDFlIl5kuF9DkktA2TAMuhKgooZ6+hePS/CdV3dzZOrHuWx0LSy+Sv5 zbnPodUlWsrtg== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphest/VTR Pics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks David, some great pics. There are more on http://www.triumphtravelers.org/ Click on Triumphest Pics for a slide show including all the events and parties and on Sonoma Raceway laps for a video of the parade laps around the raceway. Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Gunn Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:22 AM To: triumph list Subject: [TR] Triumphest/VTR Pics Hi - In case anyone is curious, I have uploaded the pics I took at the 2013 Triumphest/VTR to my Flickr page at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157636342731323/with/10394986455/ Enjoy, David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 12:34:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2BD43089 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE25842820 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id rd3so8474099pab.32 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:32:20 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=s/wQLaZfHkWWG3ZOtYwEUUT+X+ZEfywKb22YwlzbCOE=; b=MLd1Ig95TB1+x57a2uB8exai514m2Jv7m4bGCqwbGOQ62EbloWzR8HFBDRMdirRebC 1wRMtNV8AOwSqHzMtDwX6SP99KVyvs0kR0EFJfI8ooaE1UCEoovqN1D58mQJrtrWB7o3 G0ebj2ZwJQ4yQxplBLtxmGiXgW+khjYggvXEocxLPqNy63pvuBuDc+PmHYlQAF+yLapA oMI9KuBpvVUiX29AEeFrVL+e7oWZ/yNybXE2m7ZPXdCWETTdGBkb5Ew7PThM5OWiiGOW BXcN/mRzkUpJe04nEaEA2/qfV2YvPKkrwlPQGGUjsAqwAdRrLn3hsGoZIyntBBHeTiB6 ddGg== xy9mr2966415pab.172.1382380339964; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (122-59-245-167.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.59.245.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yh1sm22440323pbc.21.2013.10.21.11.32.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:32:23 +1300 Thread-Index: Ac7Oi+JRLwBo0CGhRkSHWz94XMQ23Q== Subject: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A while ago I reconditioned my fuel pump and managed to put it back with the lever under the camshaft instead of over or was it vica versa. Whichever it was the wrong way and it did the same as yours ran then sputtered until I hand pumped it again. I checked the carbie bowls and no petrol. Have you tried disconnecting the fuel line and turning the key to see if petrol is pumping? Jim and the TR4 in bits. Gradually coming back together. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 13:50:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3604B42F34 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FC440521 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id 9mH2M1cYNbDStxz1 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:49:29 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:49:29 -0700 Thread-Topic: TR6 head removal Thread-Index: Ac7OlUi5SzoqOKo9Ra6ygXvElhOUQA== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] TR6 head removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just thought I'd give everyone an update. As you may recall, I had to pull the head for a bad head gasket and had 9 stuck studs. After a week of soaking I managed to get the two under the valve cover loose by double nutting with grade 8 jam nuts. The seven on the right stripped the nuts. I used a stud removal tool to get three of them out, but the other four are still there even after a 24-inch pipe wrench. I have contacted XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, about 60 miles from me. They are going to come down with a trailer and pick up my car. After some discussions with friends I have decided to rebuild the entire engine. Even though it was running great, it does have about 190, 000 miles on it and figured as long as we are a third of the way in, might as well freshen the whole engine before something breaks. Cheaper to refresh than fix a bad cylinder or crank or whatever. So next time you see my car it might actually be clean under the hood instead of being rust proofed by the leak in the timing cover seal or sealing block. Will give you more of an update on the other side of the work. Thanks for all the advice... Peter - 1971 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 15:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DFE4054A for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3825340513 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 21:52:38 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.164] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 21:52:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 21:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4406 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2013 21:52:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382392357; bh=4l9xWfzkMcA8bx1iPc75vz5Dwra8TYwFEoOXPTwjwaU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cM8E74BQjeHzfHbA9FIOYl0YSvBZmVE5qHwos9dBt7TzmDQR1Yv1vSRWwRMnP2mmuVnxLDPztq+O73gmD0Ywq9pq+jYOqwHotMxB5B0JojFb3LK5r3dwBY421ahpusfcOh9RHJgP3w6m8RpgXMb1nQ9UodWcUDiKVwv3YJ+Iuh0= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4TLkasqweCzl1udDAGlv1FGCTmsQbrO52jrRUavv8yVMbYNpJzTYijddzsXaPgj9Tg6oRSqYx9VnSfqSY8UFb2NQevVOAWxejwBUcQ0zoe7RT5VXYkA0qtmKoNRrKqSI3W7tKUH8wDVlK7kyzQcr/soArAAj4Lze4PxMyqBB17U=; CtyKykSpTbVZ9bhtkKJJMfcSy0KIeT_qHOPiQXrsr2C7YmRvlYBL8HB7vKgk cs02klrSz37DQlEGyO975zXP3J1ffJINawcwDd7cLmropD17JKJKXgGOilUb VPhpUuGB5EDXXzHA42AM9bG6idkzttPNTNhurOAk5t3hmCo89vJYUmwjP3z. 951gD1EpZE6nBG0ZEZX4fUpniQ4atmiwOjEuSL1hwjV1dJVd0yKxjmttuCH8 MsVt56hviGhLlnZOO.sfHPTMeLENRHiBMozTMDtpg.Qj8l2m3QtsEhFIhSfk kReCo.8mg3SLv1hXCONnPTZvufOzcQT5Mquk6bVW.zS_zVrNlaIWKCCmA8uy ktR1BybipTh_nI6ndUbN6H6.M76HOpL2TPqFx8oYFrya5Uh1JLUlxTNy8IDL InFS7cD5sHCRrm7oFootPVH4ikQKxwGwa1TMz2JlDZ_l8E4igV03VYs_.nWf fC61uLsjjfVpZTJ9XpvQC0tpkXYwxE0dco1YhXN4CEutWUJ0XsBxXF.YIyGC xSD9MpboYZpOXIgmaX9_y1WTTZFEwSDSg7MBd944- Received: from [68.181.109.42] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:52:37 PDT CgrigJk3NCBUUjYg4oCTIHJlZCwgQ2FsaWZvcm5pYSBjYXIsIG5vIHJ1c3QsIHN0cmFpZ2h0LApjb21wbGV0ZSB3aXRoIHJlYnVpbHQsIGFzc2VtYmxlZCBlbmdpbmUgYW5kIHRyYW5zbWlzc2lvbiBvdXQgb2YgY2FyLiBJIGhhdmUKb3duZWQgdGhlIGNhciBmb3IgMjUgeWVhcnMgYnV0IG5lZWQgdG8gbWFrZSByb29tIGluIGdhcmFnZSBmb3Igb3RoZXIKdmVoaWNsZXMuwqAgQ2xlYW4gdGl0bGUgYW5kIHJlZ2lzdGVyZWQgaW4KQ0EuCsKgCkl0IHNpbXBseSBpcyBhIGNhc2Ugb2Ygc3RhcnRpbmcgYSBoaWdoLXEBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] '74 TR6 for sale in Los Angeles area for $3,500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net b74 TR6 b red, California car, no rust, straight, complete with rebuilt, assembled engine and transmission out of car. I have owned the car for 25 years but need to make room in garage for other vehicles.B Clean title and registered in CA. B It simply is a case of starting a high-quality rebuild project and letting life/time get into the way.B I see it as a great opportunity for someone with more time on their hands to finish the assembly.B I just do not have the time and want it to go to a good home.B B B A $3,500 offer takes it (I probably have more than this in new parts). B Body: B7B B B B B B B B Straight, complete, no rust, California car B7B B B B B B B B Paint is oxidized B7B B B B B B B B Good top, oxidized rear window B7B B B B B B B B Rotted Michelin red line tires B Engine:B B B Completely rebuilt to stock spec, all new, top quality parts and machine work, never run B7B B B B B B B B Top quality valves, lifters, rockers, cam, rocker shaft and valve job (all new) B7B B B B B B B B Magnafluxed B7B B B B B B B B Crank, rods and pistons have been fully balanced B7B B B B B B B B Cylinder head combustion chambers have been ccbd B7B B B B B B B B Aluminum flywheel (new) B7B B B B B B B B New clutch B7B B B B B B B B Spin-on oil filter adapter (new) B7B B B B B B B B Aluminum valve cover (new) B7B B B B B B B B 6 into one header (new) B7B B B B B B B B Dual exhaust, four chrome tipped outlets (new) B Transmissions (2): B7B B B B B B B B One rebuilt by BP Northwest (never run) B7B B B B B B B B One original B7B B B B B B B B Fiberglass transmission cover (new) B Front suspension: B7B B B B B B B B Fully rebuilt B7B B B B B B B B New Spax shocks B Rear Suspension: B7B B B B B B B B Rebuilt, new springs and bushings B7B B B B B B B B Differential mount braced and welded B Please email me (dirtbeard@pacbell.net) if you think you are interested.B Thank you. B Thank you, B doug ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 16:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCFE430BC for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.netspeed.com.au (mail.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF0140531; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:18:28 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=61.69.24.215; Received: from mcmasterb0b98c (unverified [61.69.24.215]) by netspeed.com.au (SurgeMail 6.3c2) with ESMTP id 5616644-1928045 for multiple; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:17:32 +1100 From: "John McMaster" To: <6pack@autox.team.net>, Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:17:41 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac7Oq1tv1K61txnBTMaeTkaRthiVjw== Subject: [TR] Exhaust Flanges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have a set of extractors on my TR6 PI (wide port inlet spacings) that are very restrictive and I need to make a new set of short outlet pipes to remove that restriction. I'm looking for a set of exhaust flange plates that bolt to the head that I could modify and weld the pipes to before grafting them on to the existing 6-3-1 extractors that I have. Does any one know of a supplier that does these plates? Any advice appreciated. Thanks John Mc "Fast is First" '71 TR6 PI '76 Dolomite 1850 '76 Dolomite Sprint V6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 21:27:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B1742F8E for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8754054B for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:58187] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 1A/B7-15942-46EE5625; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:17:57 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: <53d4f.76d4e56c.3f966b9b@cs.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:18:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just saw a news report about contaminated gas in the Omaha area, not so far from Hannibal MO, that it might not come from the same refinery... But I still bet on the fuel blockage or delivery issue too, the fuel pressure suck or pushes the debris or sediment to block fuel delivery at a constriction point, possibly the pick up in the bottom of tank, then when the pressure releases the gas, a very thin and low viscosity liquid, flows until the pressure blocks it off again. I have experienced it on a couple cars, including my TR250, which worked fine for a while, then had serious issues when sloshing around loosened enough debris to block the fuel intake when I took it out for a track day. Let it sit awhile and it would start right up, then quit after a short variable time. A long trip could slosh around the gas and loosen debris too. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 22 20:08:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1949443502 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CC9403E2; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gS791m00M2QmmGk01S7AXE; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:07:11 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:04:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net does anyone know anything about these wheels? they came on a car I just acquired. notice the shelby bhubcap.b its on two of them. is that with the wheels or just something that also got put on? thanks! http://www.ranteer.com/misc1/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 10:37:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFD042FA3 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4229542F7C for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gd6d1m00916LCl054gbyKV; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:35:58 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ggby1m0052ymm843SgbyTE; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:35:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:35:58 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1382546158; bh=uTeubOwmegwWL1xPIpCSRWvZHBBwIgUQVnPG3mUX3Cg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=oXvmCQbqnqTpkYt0pR60SI4Qv6zhbqzdogkH+z2qUpWQeZ8Ug1V1e3udTg9h9VMmK ko4CJPURW7baGoj5lnSa7Jqf3bQTLfpKv2q8qr8bvLiCUQ8feodhGSm57Ora+KZfaz 3RjFToip/q+go6EXMrLv8osqWU7Vs5UdnfaHlCb6AEh3NemBsxZjFRbEyfL6TKUHjM P7mJo4tSsC0xXFyS0MZtWJIT060R7p3RxFXx81nm5f3wGOg8hdR3xIYVlM82PBAygw 3RukuAWJcGHUqhdCGAb+lUFj4fVE91gI9ujqcLO8UV19DdlqzpGVtI3Hu4Qq1XtB0A v6TTGVA+XJqEQ== Subject: [TR] Copper/Nickel Tubing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, B Where can I buy bulk Cunifer tubing: 1/4" and 5/16"?? B Thanks, B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 11:33:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C00042F7E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1B242F7E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id y6so991738lbh.39 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=6+b2gXUK/9NfSEumkTiLEtePgvnJg61yUTVEjxPM4DA=; b=fckkHbtNjM7o91uZ4gbPLQpbFYb9n2aGVYjwx7NQYnYXvS4eacTaUVU4Yf0la8WwAp cDZhmS21Ldi58fhDAbTB1xFDaCxpJvL17KkYOV09NQ33VYs+adE5sgyE0Rm6X+5SdnjV 3JAVht1jO8LVO9ibS/ZtF5ID+BIa3fUyWT4RFGdhkJg3PW2FVMSYCVcQ5WbHRDml0tMI Z0nuNOsHbiEyX6VkHANWTds6zsLdUm4/cjyFuzsiQkmaKLSWakKV2et+b9KbN2a8VHop mlg3XEAKah2MSRvbx5ViVF9bzSbuICHIZcdbbYzr3cjbZoBGU5k6rBODegVDKPew9cz8 AhfQ== xd6mr2978671lbb.22.1382549142527; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:25:22 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] bushing TR4 stromberg carbs - advice and direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm goning to put bushings in my TR4 stombergs and replace the MCCH's I currently have in use. I did not see perfromance improvement and my gas mileage was low. I played with them a little bit and swapped in some different chokes, emulsion tube, etc, but I could tell I'd be a while to get them dialed in and I'd have to buy a set of all the different parts to swap in and out until I found the performance I desired. So I'll put them on my TR6 and put the old Zenith's back in service. They ran well but the holes were oblonged and really leaked at idle. I saw on one of the forums a step by step for rebushing Strombergs but can't find it for the life of me -- can anyone point me there? Also any advice from those that have done it? piloted reamer, etc. Sending them out for a high dollar refurb is not an option for me. (and I like doing things myself :)). Thanks Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 12:35:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13BB42FBB for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADECD42F27 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 18:25:13 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.137] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 18:25:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 18:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14796 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2013 18:25:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382552713; bh=keaFWj10QfPYchT1Jmw12yZuID4zLORaz+J0xjKY8e4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cMpq6Q1f6sekaMvteZEOri0kFA6+FNrMpQF+cgLMW1/kYrz62lNz5ScTOqaN9PwZbb1afLJGCXcWsihmpVLdrjyQvDJ6R3jVPIZwgTUnoK1Y+Kw3mCvsKjaSRrmj2ZnOfYpX/nMfpCM8pLZztd52DQ8L9bcV/Rvw2kbeIVHAfa0= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0lRNs7vfv0+pdoCv91dnCW1SjhTix7Dd8hJSAnvmN388h8wKK3Q5+LIB6tk9Etsm0liXiotN8JJigmkSt1BfiuZ2hJCKVBKsdep265CLBDe3b5kqZc8bSf37LjMliL0KGy0uj7aRgKEblPeV0gvhgqcAfszyZE0gaGO+jab1OIs=; MGrb7lfLc1KghcGFm2n6w8tPukZYEQFQOMQpXjlLnMnpqTe7QgVCC4kdvKRl mAKw.y6X.WnZCzKQpRP7fLDPSEDuiJp_oeVRgO4lpRgsAkwVUti8hAAf0pYk OC0m8282q8Ghq5RxiM3Rmp3q5zEZhURwmv_SvOK7D1_vpGsELYYAbsswYp9H N5Rz0TvSL8y_aRhtTLqFKVnkkTciV7ZoKbiS8ae2Pb7aRuoNv24zYfJeWydD U0G43kJErL63pbeAp24LDYRqLvwsiP1Oj19LT5M3aKStSeLv6ucvVkZ5NbRN 1e7XQaHLAm9xxtXKdysTGz2TGGODWyaZa3j3SL8yH6oA9n82knq8cnOAfNJW Or4HERbTZd0keAmEvdd3n.w5tXbF.2d8BeLgrzO.NqcK6IzjheD.bqdJHuix f3Mu8jz4A4Wzh0TkMrYYIfV4IRSgJxrJix_udCorWINEFKeLMh8RG39rojlv o6a5n.1Mym0mUXUE07BvcQwChU9L1n1VdvMYj44SUhXqbZy7MVLsYqQa7gJG cLclsinTIfGU0S_5m8XDCxJdKBBFrhl3D1KVyCYsL8UgYrP0NH4_3OAb.o4V jRiK1.oe2LzGlPLRuoB_Anl7IqsEHWrc- Received: from [75.57.190.100] by web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:25:13 PDT RWQsIFRoaXMgc291cmNlIHNlZW1zIHRvIGhhdmUgZXZlcnl0aGluZyB5b3UgbWlnaHQgbmVlZCB0byBtYWtlIHVwIGN1bmlmZXIgaHlkcmF1bGljIGxpbmVzOgoKaHR0cDovL3N0b3JlLmZlZGhpbGx1c2EuY29tLwoKYnJnZHMsIEpheQoKJzY0IFRyaXVtcGggVFI0IHNpbmNlICc2NwEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Holekamp To: Ed Woods Cc: List TR Subject: [TR] Copper/Nickel Brake Line Tubing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, This source seems to have everything you might need to make up cunifer hydraulic lines: http://store.fedhillusa.com/ brgds, Jay '64 Triumph TR4 since '67 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 13:40:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545A243162 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:40:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E48142FB8 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7ED157016B079 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dbb002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.133]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3BE3FE000091 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:34:51 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 99.146.0.249 by Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:34:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:34:50 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1382556891; bh=MucG4/oqXOVVyu7ukXq8lXPV1/PFwnUlEdlEjv+DvLQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d3U54ZYffVU/TI2r3/vnx2nhaxVuRnViyLPtntePpKq/lMBH2JszjV9UIKvAFOOur xNe6QqhiZHVR9IYL4+8WETnEvf6/S67bFkTJYOKI4djnoO9AMvItlaXJZ+39SZrTVN edmB/zEhL0D4e7rrBvpWDibzawnWRSE/wlNF27UQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca526824db27d0 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 carb rebush Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Chris, Just my experience from 1998: Joe Curto Inc. charged me $40 to ream my 2 Stromberg carbs for 0.10" oversized throttle shafts. He asked I send my questionable floats (foam seemed to be cracking from newer gas?), and my rusty carb linkage. He dipped the floats in gas tank liner fluid to seal and protect them, and he zinc plated the linkage, making them look and operate like new for additional $15. >From California I sent just the totally stripped carb bodies and misc. bits (quite light) to New York and back for cheapest USPost rates. Very pleased with the results. Ps; I like the idea you're returning those great Z carbs to your TR4! Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 I'm goning to put bushings in my TR4 stombergs and replace the MCCH's I currently have in use. I did not see perfromance improvement and my gas mileage was low. I played with them a little bit and swapped in some different chokes, emulsion tube, etc, but I could tell I'd be a while to get them dialed in and I'd have to buy a set of all the different parts to swap in and out until I found the performance I desired. So I'll put them on my TR6 and put the old Zenith's back in service. They ran well but the holes were oblonged and really leaked at idle. I saw on one of the forums a step by step for rebushing Strombergs but can't find it for the life of me -- can anyone point me there? Also any advice from those that have done it? piloted reamer, etc. Sending them out for a high dollar refurb is not an option for me. (and I like doing things myself :)). Thanks Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 18:01:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0362143575 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737EF42F54 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131023234111.GANA21010.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:41:11 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.99.81.230]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id gnhB1m00E4y9KJU01nhB7N; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:41:11 -0400 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ljqMygqN7wwA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5j9CPyxFxjp5E61i4A0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Carl Sereda'" , References: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:41:23 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7QJ6m3MBjUlRiATIW8y8dGGq0B/wAIX4eQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 carb rebush Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For what it's worth, I prefer that the carbs be bored and bushed to the original spec shafts rather than oversize ones. It is less metal in the air flow path. Joe C. (that's Curry not Curto) ;) -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Sereda Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:35 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 carb rebush Hi Chris, Just my experience from 1998: Joe Curto Inc. charged me $40 to ream my 2 Stromberg carbs for 0.10" oversized throttle shafts. He asked I send my questionable floats (foam seemed to be cracking from newer gas?), and my rusty carb linkage. He dipped the floats in gas tank liner fluid to seal and protect them, and he zinc plated the linkage, making them look and operate like new for additional $15. >From California I sent just the totally stripped carb bodies and misc. bits (quite light) to New York and back for cheapest USPost rates. Very pleased with the results. Ps; I like the idea you're returning those great Z carbs to your TR4! Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 I'm goning to put bushings in my TR4 stombergs and replace the MCCH's I currently have in use. I did not see perfromance improvement and my gas mileage was low. I played with them a little bit and swapped in some different chokes, emulsion tube, etc, but I could tell I'd be a while to get them dialed in and I'd have to buy a set of all the different parts to swap in and out until I found the performance I desired. So I'll put them on my TR6 and put the old Zenith's back in service. They ran well but the holes were oblonged and really leaked at idle. I saw on one of the forums a step by step for rebushing Strombergs but can't find it for the life of me -- can anyone point me there? Also any advice from those that have done it? piloted reamer, etc. Sending them out for a high dollar refurb is not an option for me. (and I like doing things myself :)). Thanks Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 19:17:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E03D435E9 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from davesource.com (davesource.com [66.135.55.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6EF42F0D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dave by davesource.com with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VZ9G1-0002bp-2n for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:58:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:58:36 -0700 From: David Ljung Madison To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR3A is finally coming back together. I have it at Greg Solow's Engine Room in Santa Cruz (I believe he did TeriAnn's Triumph). They are saying that the radiator doesn't have lots of flow and are recommending switching to an aluminum radiator. Somewhere in storage I have a stock radiator in good shape that has the crank hole (my current one doesn't). I checked on ebay and the prices of aluminum radiators vary massively - from $250 to $700. Greg can get one that is good quality for ~$700. So my options: 1) Use the current radiator, and don't go on the race track 2) Use the storage radiator so I have the starter crank hole again, which is amusing and can come in handy. 3) Buy the $250 aluminum on ebay 4) Buy the $700 aluminum via Greg I know that if I use the radiator with the starter hole that I lose something like 5% of my cooling, though the radiator is probably cleaner than the original, so it's probably about the same. Does anyone kynow how to tell the difference between the radiators on ebay? Anyone buy one of these $250 aluminum radiators? And any thoughts on the difference between aluminum and stock? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 20:03:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D164040D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout005.mac.com [17.172.220.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C504006D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-255-238.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.255.238]) by st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MV500HSHGR6XRB0@st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:42:45 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-10-24_01:2013-10-23,2013-10-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1310230136 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:42:37 -0700 References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com> To: David Ljung Madison Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi David, I think you have an option to either have the current radiator cleaned or re-cored. Not sure what that would cost these days. If you go for an aluminum radiator, Im very happy with mine from Wizard Cooling: http://wizardcooling.com/1953-1965-triumph-tr2-tr3-aluminum-radiator -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 20:20:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E218243624 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727F8435E9 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gpFx1m0090lTkoCA1pr0FE; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:51:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gpqy1m00F4L5TyG8QpqzR1; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:50:59 +0000 From: Bud R To: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:50:58 -0600 References: s=q20121106; t=1382579460; bh=CZ1q6+lw797Ewz6gkl5WjhhkR/Ix40PcRZJVd3jmeqM=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=av/PIpsfw6VTokCthlw3K3mZc1oz4THoLCPCa2X3x0WFYD30PMi9upniyhrHSM3DM 1piEjKrWCPOlKJ3V6cmND5U3wPM6vXuKUwmAurQQDtQ8plZkiPDRAPcLUrB3zUAH14 189hdtVLPPisL7yJDv5xpUUys/RmMTelR2gvOd5sbjL5syv97Cc7cEOcXwunB7fxVZ Mjymne4Qi62UUHlHQO0fNxrigBsIWNUgGvUsIinN6eDt5ugG8vRFK9oN6cBhO8w8eB 1scOHN/nR1q9oN8lPobj6M6a6YDDzlpOKK+hrBfSi3RcvnVw4040zXaLPTm1Ghx2/d 4+wrOYEHhNjmQ== Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] bushing TR4 stromberg carbs - advice and direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe it's just the rubber seals on the shafts? Have you taken them apart enough to check? I went to do the shaft bushings on my ZS carbs one time and found that they have rubber seals that can be replaced. I'd like to give a testimonial for ZS carbs. I went to look for my ZS jet adjusting tool to take on the road trip to VTR this year and saw it was broken Then I realized it had broken a couple years ago which meant I'd totally forgotten about it and more to the point that I hadn't had to adjust the carbs all that time (around 11,000 miles or so). I'm at altitude (Denver) so the elevation changes usually involve 5000 ft. when I drive to places like Jekyll Island, Galveston, and San Rafael. Constant depression carbs work given a fighting chance. Plugs are a nice milk chocolate color too. Once you get them right they are great carbs, both for the road (28 mpg for 2600 miles) and autocross (faster than a TR6 with a LS corvette engine) on this last trip. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > They > ran well but the holes were oblonged and really leaked at idle. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 20:49:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC93B43624 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm41-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm41-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D7F42F04 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm41.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2013 02:21:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.14] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2013 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2013 02:21:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382581318; bh=oqG1OKSQiCPi9lruHKthRZvIfue2oa5NrdRlT9mjCaY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=3BA4K+dwrK1U1wiLx/RGZnC24SfFits1ACgfoZfZq/Cre4HE4HWI9cTrqzllNc9+zHCidr6bdFQNIR9gAQ4mW+x56YVlQymzUPxvF0sWdkWnQjfiuLMh+VQb+/J0aCAtA7qTGAMBlxh1I1XrBNLL83CV2rh/gP72ihDZTB6SUeU= LPo6vp7jEf_nUOCNqAy4EzkJeR84U2_pBzAhmzjkySKjfcGr7v5.OGZ1niUq 3Hwk0mRnJmnZ_mbdX_VF.l6gXSNtXeZbzQubkbm9ot1rJihJfDIVimleRi3B D61agTLOuLAUzzEhxUhTD_PXNmA7QYRLStYGrIlErZ88NQxX5NGNfA549IL5 VtkF9XBMtr2F_cQmHQMyOGIu2LxfeYY2wZRYRRY842VmV.p7nixrm.ho.WT9 ZWt65JoL3zI.ZJJJXLMYGPeXVlsDwTuVthsJtOOiHP9aBJeFVbx22lgUqs1f ZrI9Hii02pK9zU4vnVxw4litO2q2SO.TPdkMBMfYNP3gPsSMC40riXuxYPtM eRXFhW5ey_8nYcnFdz9C8g_URNpqpXWpG.OkBChjN5LeyZ4DSW9_IQwwKk.y BtJkeSleMWPCqEWEwjiZLsxENAlZwaHHbyk03ATbqxeBw.RJ1xrH_PhET4Mj 7cA9ldb.0rUZe6r4UiXyb7XTjnPXBY9kkxTYX3rdl9.4UXDfJEpwGPFQBRf5 WQ4RF3HSr8z2NQuJFkOSk9uMHKndC6nS.lC2NfBJ7q6cUgw.oPJKp1vTcDxI j4w-- smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2013 19:21:58 -0700 PDT References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com> From: WBEECH Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:21:59 -0500 To: David Ljung Madison Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Option 5) install and electric fan to boost up one of your current radiators. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:58 PM, David Ljung Madison wrote: > > My TR3A is finally coming back together. I have it at Greg Solow's > Engine Room in Santa Cruz (I believe he did TeriAnn's Triumph). > > They are saying that the radiator doesn't have lots of flow and > are recommending switching to an aluminum radiator. Somewhere > in storage I have a stock radiator in good shape that has the crank > hole (my current one doesn't). I checked on ebay and the > prices of aluminum radiators vary massively - from $250 to $700. > Greg can get one that is good quality for ~$700. > > So my options: > > 1) Use the current radiator, and don't go on the race track > 2) Use the storage radiator so I have the starter crank hole again, > which is amusing and can come in handy. > 3) Buy the $250 aluminum on ebay > 4) Buy the $700 aluminum via Greg > > I know that if I use the radiator with the starter hole that > I lose something like 5% of my cooling, though the radiator > is probably cleaner than the original, so it's probably about > the same. > > > Does anyone kynow how to tell the difference between the > radiators on ebay? Anyone buy one of these $250 aluminum radiators? > > And any thoughts on the difference between aluminum and stock? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 21:19:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C62E4366A for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D139435FB for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EB2A1A63 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:51:39 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: list Triumph References: <9E22432F-4EE6-498F-AE9D-3AC48F441407@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] bushing TR4 stromberg carbs - advice and direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bud R wrote: > faster than a TR6 with a LS > corvette engine Blue? Formerly in Utah? Lenny? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 22:07:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED56E43601 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop1.greatbasin.net (pop103.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DB435DE for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1b-182.gbis.net [207.228.61.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop1.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9O3YgS4015807; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:34:42 -0700 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: "David Ljung Madison" , References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:34:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi David- I bought one for the TVR from Griffin Radiators, and I'm a satisfied customer. They're back east in Piedmont, S.C. Look them up on the internet (www.griffinrad.com) and/or call them at 1-800-722-3723. You can specify your own radiator as I did, by filling out forms provided on their website. I can't find a record of how much I paid for it, but I remember it was rather expensive, probably in your $700 category. The product was worth it. It's perfect dimensionally, well made, cools much better than stock, and it's pretty! I think they have dealers in California, but custom units come from the S.C. factory. Skip Gurnee 64 TR4 bought new in 1963 70 TVR Vixen race car and others... -----Original Message----- From: David Ljung Madison Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:58 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Aluminum radiators My TR3A is finally coming back together. I have it at Greg Solow's Engine Room in Santa Cruz (I believe he did TeriAnn's Triumph). They are saying that the radiator doesn't have lots of flow and are recommending switching to an aluminum radiator. Somewhere in storage I have a stock radiator in good shape that has the crank hole (my current one doesn't). I checked on ebay and the prices of aluminum radiators vary massively - from $250 to $700. Greg can get one that is good quality for ~$700. So my options: 1) Use the current radiator, and don't go on the race track 2) Use the storage radiator so I have the starter crank hole again, which is amusing and can come in handy. 3) Buy the $250 aluminum on ebay 4) Buy the $700 aluminum via Greg I know that if I use the radiator with the starter hole that I lose something like 5% of my cooling, though the radiator is probably cleaner than the original, so it's probably about the same. Does anyone kynow how to tell the difference between the radiators on ebay? Anyone buy one of these $250 aluminum radiators? And any thoughts on the difference between aluminum and stock? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 00:22:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8626435F3 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 00:22:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from davesource.com (davesource.com [66.135.55.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F5D436B3 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dave by davesource.com with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VZDql-00051e-7p; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:52:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:52:50 -0700 From: David Ljung Madison To: Dave Hogye References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com> <7999CB55-0707-4DCE-BFC2-67CD8BB2B076@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 13/10/23 21:42 -0700, Dave Hogye wrote: > A stock replacement will cost more than aluminum.. To be clear, I already have a stock replacement in my storage. I haven't pressure tested it, but it looks like it's in great shape. I've used the crank on my previous Triumph, though hopefully my current TR3A will be more reliable, but you never know, and it's nice to have the option. It's hard to get a clear picture of how much Aluminum helps. Dave --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Ljung Madison http://GetDave.com/ 415.341.5555 --- "Why don't we take a vote?" I suggested. ---- "No!" said David. "That's not fair because the majority will win!" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 02:39:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1C34325F for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC45D43242 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u14so1641171lbd.29 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:24:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RkfyPPk0GKnEYwKozV5EPjqKUvxenErOTdS1zNxu90k=; b=lv8zhxxouIiekhrterD4CKDlzdwxr7WDe/3rLrKbDdQxxfcak58sRqigwCr0XovJHp ZkYxX0l5NkdozJtqYvKB5pzcy73Eg3ekXOrJszK3ld7UUAyv7VPz7AZHb7CRPBCvidxJ sfxjof29Im5HmfeV1a1eCj2BQD1vXekPTD1FWN8UGboch75oNdt64olUZK/Ts3RV4atw 5x1pt5pzNFDafyjWRZVnvjKmotp3aPL/nlu3BQ2bcalFWbEuc6yq/joDlnep7vJYNJA3 ldyMatzxZuSVjqcZl6uwvPyQ5nX6GIi2SbABQiJBQk/JDMMQ3ys1RMUUNdq5nTeaK3K5 eByw== f17mr1227579lbq.26.1382603069641; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.237 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <9E22432F-4EE6-498F-AE9D-3AC48F441407@comcast.net> <687A8FE2683A4220ADC0CC8737EC9929@livingroompc> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 04:24:27 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] bushing TR4 stromberg carbs - advice and direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm getting good stuff here online and online. Bud makes an interesting point. Should i put tr6 carbs on the 4? They have the bushes and the seals. I guess I'd at least need different needles... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 05:42:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1A343741 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:42:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DB743242 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DellLaptop (pool-96-244-126-96.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net [96.244.126.96]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MAQHS-1VOtwb1eyA-00Bbrw; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:40:41 -0400 From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "David Ljung Madison" References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com><7999CB55-0707-4DCE-BFC2-67CD8BB2B076@comcast.net> <20131024055250.GA19156@getdave.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 07:43:58 -0400 3cLc2x+z3DJ10S9k31ijPic3Ev1UutBL75EU89gO5t26OF6bNo ANch70wN95uwti421GQddlnFtvzvRjoP+Ea5O5S3VPcvJVAj00 RIdn1BUcAKLysSH/b0nVYsU2dppAeuZPe7aoEoefqA6LtA3fYn 3yyCT52vNatk3HqMEjIfIMyxmEbPCa2vckUpwDEUYHvN4kvFyv OQHVNpoiH1IcztkLSSCoOow5G9imEs3GcjMIUzciDOlZO3+5LY g6xqL60z1Xb8oYpcK7Ii6NS4tCR61ptZQAV4Ad6K4KOzfnmka9 EIpAU/SwEKOSQui2GXHN1bAMhrCbUqoWVdKvqiixK/gtjqf6ND 073gRxMZ7KnPw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Big 3 manufacturers, that I could find, of aluminum radiators for a Triumph are: Griffin, Davis and Wizard Cooling. I got pricey prices from each of them for: radiator, 16" Fan, custom fan mounts and fan wire harness with temperature sensor. On my TR6 I have a Wizard aluminum radiator with puller fan (sold by Art Lipp) that's worked fine for the past 5 years HOWEVER........ it's more for bling than function. On a TR6, the stock radiator is quite adequate IF the complete cooling system is in good shape i.e. radiator and engine block. In other words, an aluminum radiator isn't going to fix a car with block in bad shape cooling wise. Going back to your original post.......... it sounds like your existing radiator doesn't flow properly which leads to cooling concerns by the rebuilder. Can it be re-cored if originality is your primary concern? Or.....have them test your spare to see how it flows. Or maybe my question should be........ does the TR3 have inherent cooling problems that could be helped by an aluminum radiator that handles hear "better"? Bob www.TR6.Danielsonfamily.org 1975 Mimosa TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff CVJs And more.... -----Original Message----- From: David Ljung Madison Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:52 AM To: Dave Hogye Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators On 13/10/23 21:42 -0700, Dave Hogye wrote: > A stock replacement will cost more than aluminum.. To be clear, I already have a stock replacement in my storage. I haven't pressure tested it, but it looks like it's in great shape. I've used the crank on my previous Triumph, though hopefully my current TR3A will be more reliable, but you never know, and it's nice to have the option. It's hard to get a clear picture of how much Aluminum helps. Dave --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Ljung Madison http://GetDave.com/ 415.341.5555 --- "Why don't we take a vote?" I suggested. ---- "No!" said David. "That's not fair because the majority will win!" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 09:42:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79506436DB for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687E4430CC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:20:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2013 15:19:19 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.152] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2013 15:19:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2013 15:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 58700 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2013 15:19:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382627958; bh=AyyqA51sm0oHyHwdrs5dPI7foXwoeP/YOjN0rgtUEUI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OOJRZIekI/KDlcg8hxLK51vLUsuuOAEwWHErxghUqRs5hHEHsaco+lId0gZRxMIim/148akAkHQyxp5S0Hm9qAUrozlDHJE1Wree9KlmGG83ySV/+yRHoOGWWvCmC1cKEzHb6jXkSdh3K595guU8KW6r/rbW620tJUSa7eKEfRE= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uo54uAOn+rbbka6oLUBJAivtX0I3aui09iAynWSQUBkn8nDUi7mVC2py6CVpIak7C+9R3uFPgW9iQOp4+W6t4ixPOVZeX2fms2BUs/c6Edb5rO9RhvYfonyh6RexLTg+EWb8RIDvuUbUPn/6h+N2vZfIbqkwjWvc2XIBldC8uEw=; jGkLxZf9l1lokMM0s3ead3wD3ipO3udkj0iMIah5HZ25hSdxrTjMaXKCstWW Fnj4ZeJ7IK0ybwK1OKk0xSsHvsoSKBATGsvoam.LOvVjoh2ff26xnE96MNdM 2zPTBu0DdIypktVBW9iLFSJLSpj0Dhr2jVbLgiXXxoMKyu7WNxALibStg.Rc HEfU9bLs5Z3ab.8mpOfR.Kmv4zPEitbcsajRPoFxpZn.PD9ibtyfhcCVfZsR SL.zpweJqNP28cqtn3g0qmWVWREM3sYZXITZZCzcDmb4EvIePZul1EcNKVem mn72qojPlCIbf2ss3BYU29aH3uxhejDnaQYN2yn1gjUdQ25G8SWf7fMH11cZ .x_Dv_alOOrU4oDftlWqfxifa.v8uEL40OlUxMcq._tMBbHNvYwCTT7Lm.Kb cYPfkJ3oBuBo9c.84I1fjVjjU69mMwJWxVHPTtF9vtZh4zLixYdw2zsPsEny F9mkmzeqAdKp1aXjgiTW5DrskSt1Z5ls3tCWAdo1W2DfkdRQSHkEg19o1TAL StT6EgA8FG3PRuVaHfZ7JjCX.K9xY Received: from [12.230.47.66] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:19:18 PDT wqDCoMKgwqAgSSBhbSBnZXR0aW5nIHJlYWR5IHRvIHB1bGwgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBvbiBteSBUUjMgdG8gcmVidWlsZCBpdCBhZnRlciBzbmFwcGluZyB0aGUgY3JhbmsuIFRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1lIEkgcHVsbGVkIHRoZSBoZWFkIChhYm91dCAxNyB5ZWFycyBhZ28uLi4pIHRoZSAjNCBjeWxpbmRlciB3YXMgY29tcGxldGVseSBibG9ja2VkIG9mZiBieSBydXN0LiBMYXN0IHRpbWUgSSByZWJ1aWx0IHRoZSBlbmdpbmUgKGFib3V0IDExIHllYXJzIGFuZCA4MCwwMDDCoCBtaWxlcyBhZ28pIGl0IHdhcyBwcmV0dHkBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] De-Rusting TR3 Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am getting ready to pull the engine on my TR3 to rebuild it after snapping the crank. The first time I pulled the head (about 17 years ago...) the #4 cylinder was completely blocked off by rust. Last time I rebuilt the engine (about 11 years and 80,000 miles ago) it was pretty rusty inside the water jacket area of the block and I de-rusted it pretty well and have used No-Rosion since. I was thinking of rigging up an electrolytic rust removal system using a battery charger, blocking off the bottom of the cylinder/piston area to contain the water just in the block and totally de-rust the water jacket area of the block. After that I thought about painting it with POR15 before putting new liners back in. It seems like the worst that could happen would be that the POR15 might eventually flake off and get stuck in the radiator. has anyone tried this? Has anyone ever tried painting the non-mating surfaces of the wet-liners with hi-temp engine enamel or POR15 or something to prevent them from rusting? The first set of wet-liners that I pulled were terribly corroded from the DPO filling the cooling system with a garden hose. TIA, -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 11:12:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D59A43783 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2022431D7 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h2fL1m00C1Y3wxoA14lcvb; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:45:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4la1m00X4L5TyG8b4lb6X; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:45:35 +0000 From: Bud R To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:45:34 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1382633136; bh=dKam8+XP8tOYjE1SOuhQTXM4Y5jT6Vkd/I0i09oEffU=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=FJbdqjrwUmq6WK/9kjoiKgrKkIH3BtKblXYQGBGhRGf2rmeU15CzRgNtEH1PPaiRZ xG1xSRXJSpY7UFUc4kbTW5AiYBO0UePNhm2x2edu/3ONzoC8SrwrhBY9MeSbAreCmy gAYPuzZMMi4stntxhlydDv6jb1IeAtgNHoTSnQNP0ZTqpmHnYZmursrJopINP8fWn2 W+na8zcE+7H2aaPmaCsuSMPWQbreaneNVZhU9+KEisX1KggEiLDMr9JgyJuKBqbW4c DWZwLHikZIXXRAj6tAy4Q4qOmmklB7vJ46RipRzfjD+fCnASB05Meo7MlMs8HXXohP AD55VJIK041IQ== Subject: [TR] Plane we saw at VTR 2012 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sad news about the P51 Mustang we saw at the Lone Star Aviation Museum in Galveston last year for VTR 2012. They have some incredible restorations of WWII warbirds and had been hit hard by hurricane Ike in 2009. Lots of hard work had the museum in beautiful shape in October 2012. http://news.msn.com/us/wwii-plane-owned-by-museum-crashes-killing-two Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 11:29:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A014373F for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com (mail-pd0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C7643653 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id g10so2719652pdj.34 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yOdIATXb8Oyrr6pWQK6SyhQwlbTmIiWX49SBADyuvkc=; b=0+vNM+BDyZCd0/RXAOXluAtWMH6FGBenzLq/ujm3fzohMpp80XCqf2z40usHX1Tr/X 5+STLUDBurJ5+EkZ/v7xJikTcKAzhZbvRscP3NPxuD+1GZwvrDBAC+KJc734J0KRnI0K kEK7isEw8cPlqgjpLG2fzZQXOpzVLRHMAyoCpqXK+JwktK4Qdlw1VJUOt1NFs3Rtaw5Q 0LTxNG71+l+gtGwaYlXH1HFPN4aIfVFhVkQgHdzR3m6qk4tlg/Iy7dPX5RKTZl3MyNkN 0B5IFJOYs2yxLOzzOS55CIyDSN5Cyhgfj23UVidLTUUWrk2IQAc8j5prDllFwH6mWZ6e dCeA== ll4mr4250000pab.48.1382634122452; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.57.34 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:02:02 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Lucas 6-cyl PI for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I thought about just putting this on ebay but wanted to give the list members first chance. Upwards of 10 years ago I bought a rebuilt PI system from a friend with the intention of installing it on a TR250 project. Well several years ago the TR250 project was sold to someone who will actually do something with the car. So with the car gone it's time to sell the PI unit. If interested let me know and we can discuss it. Brad 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 13:11:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B71143731 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9704942FD9 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id u57so2742200wes.4 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/trE2/ypcTireGDJcXtFQ/YUJeOZ5ukeT7WQCxeNS5E=; b=NM1SdRXbTbaz1zFISSVhjIVMFJhJG7tbCeGeJkNTy9bA9a1iOhFTqKrjmr8llV2uVE +njSurLyvSQSNjrbZF4iXGmFwq2HV4ZdheQrcC6YdB5PDd3X5U3clKTdfmQ+WH+AIFYt vmhBDzQ2URQ1GDHSj7QREYp/rC3LEVXxsZTDtGOw5XFMQBT+UhsjPelnXAefrV1jAtxq mErgGT/VrYtIUUo26yhZNKDs6edcRrDsHD8PZI2UUT9ELLB7PLC3ngvRt2TkCuldl5ce /c7A6hkWQYIF7yzNvDt41MIZ8ynqWKyuitOdmNIKwnplZJYGe7qORxi0CFMlKLX9c+0L LJFg== di8mr2922867wjb.74.1382640121762; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.49.198 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:42:01 -0700 From: Randall Zempel To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] De-Rusting TR3 Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill wrote: I was thinking of rigging up an electrolytic rust removal system using a battery charger, blocking off the bottom of the cylinder/piston area to contain the water just in the block and totally de-rust the water jacket area of the block. Bill, I've electrolytically de-rusted milling machine parts, and I don't expect your method to work very well. The electro field needs to be pretty direct between anode and cathode, without any shielding in between. I suspect the various contours of the engine block will cause exactly that shielding, leading to lots of areas with no appreciable de-scaling. I recommend, instead, find a steel tub big enough to submerge the block. Use a big propane burner ring to heat an alkali solution to near boiling, and let that do your work. Of course, it's probably easier and less expensive to haul it to a professional shop to boil the block.... :-) Randall Z ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 13:37:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274A6437B4 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F120943212 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=0wRQmWtS3bEA:10 a=F23foPYxyOXHbyxn4AMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:39027] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D2/5A-01931-47379625; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:22:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:22:28 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > 1) Use the current radiator, and don't go on the race track I would definitely not take that option! My radiator shop said my TR3 radiator "flowed fine" and yet I had persistent overheating problems during just normal highway driving that proved to be caused by crud buildup inside the tubes. None of the tubes were blocked, but the crud was acting like an insulator and reducing the essential heat flow. This is not my first experience with cooling issues caused by invisible radiator problems. The previous TR3A had very similar symptoms (temp would creep up at freeway speeds even with just 70F air), and recoring the radiator immediately solved them entirely. > I know that if I use the radiator with the starter hole that > I lose something like 5% of my cooling, More like 10-15% according to my radiator guy. All of the tubes that would normally go through the space occupied by the crank hole are totally blocked off, so they do nearly nothing as far as cooling. You lose not just the open space of the hole, but a section that wide of the entire height of the radiator. Another option is to have your original radiator re-cored. I'm told that Modine no longer makes the core I got in the 3A, but there is another company that will make radiator cores to order (and they have the specification to fit the TR3). You can even keep the crank hole if you choose (although I didn't). Your local radiator shop should be able to handle ordering the core and installing it for you. I am very happy with my recored radiator and electric fan. The engine stays cool under all conditions, even during autocrossing or sustained full throttle operation; and the fan only runs for a few seconds at idle or stop-n-go before the water coming back from the radiator drops below 190F (the setpoint I chose). I also had the shop change the filler neck to take a modern cap, so I could add a recovery bottle. In retrospect, I kind of wish that I had tried putting back the stock mechanical fan with the recored radiator, as I suspect that might have worked as well. But for now at least, I have no intentions of going back. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 17:58:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA9E437FA for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 17:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C387A42F8B for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 17:31:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y13so3942242pdi.5 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:30:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=P5BXMHCXKc0dLgyBTX3VHZtzX/CsPcQsvSj7outFlOU=; b=nSa2TlL0BrDgXcQuFuEAxw/JzFJDEeJ1AYsVBh49rFX0YAtlxMjYNg3XJI1TowLbtV IlhUa7+rwstS2kQQd10Zi/+vkAPzUZctPODVW5+xE5cQ62rf97p2m2hlxDNtpYkgXpbT Znwgi7+YwdrP9mRPa8zdGivswH1Vt0LrN9b+6VAlwyKrzcnolQeGZECyGymjZSPdct2f ZGmiAeuYvMDptD0CIrryTNJhlZ6DQq4jAw7nIqTz/ETSHgOeR0ZXvWMN5VRe706kmXXp IGHW72tmNAIlkJzXRbtAwjgAV/aTyEcWfVwPoebjLWCFY225wN4D6EcxloRGukO1XfAI EbFw== os5mr5785080pab.114.1382657422021; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.57.34 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:30:21 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:30:21 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas 6-cyl PI for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm happy to report the PI is sold. It went to the first responder who has already paid a deposit. Thanks all for your interest. Brad On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I thought about just putting this on ebay but wanted to give the list > members first chance. > > Upwards of 10 years ago I bought a rebuilt PI system from a friend with > the intention of installing it on a TR250 project. Well several years ago > the TR250 project was sold to someone who will actually do something with > the car. > > So with the car gone it's time to sell the PI unit. > > If interested let me know and we can discuss it. > > Brad > 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 08:41:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972D243028 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5618242B41 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r9PEKxKc008118 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:20:59 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id CBV63284 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net) for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:20:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:21:17 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com> refid=str=0001.0A020207.526A7E4B.0115, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2013-04-19 10:07:54, mode=single engine Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List. With all the talk about aluminum radiators, one issue was missed. With the exception of TR7 & TR8, all the cars from Spit through TR6 have a radiator that is a "solid" mount. Aluminum, by nature, can not stand any twisting, flexing or "racking". All these cars are body/frame construction. Frames twist and flex and since radiator is hard mounted, so does the radiator. Another, and we feel better, choice is a modern re-core. Our radiator shop use a MaxCool core. Large diameter, oval shaped fins with lots of surface for heat dissipation. Ted On 10/23/2013 8:58 PM, David Ljung Madison wrote: > My TR3A is finally coming back together. I have it at Greg Solow's > Engine Room in Santa Cruz (I believe he did TeriAnn's Triumph). > > They are saying that the radiator doesn't have lots of flow and > are recommending switching to an aluminum radiator. Somewhere > in storage I have a stock radiator in good shape that has the crank > hole (my current one doesn't). I checked on ebay and the > prices of aluminum radiators vary massively - from $250 to $700. > Greg can get one that is good quality for ~$700. > > So my options: > > 1) Use the current radiator, and don't go on the race track > 2) Use the storage radiator so I have the starter crank hole again, > which is amusing and can come in handy. > 3) Buy the $250 aluminum on ebay > 4) Buy the $700 aluminum via Greg > > I know that if I use the radiator with the starter hole that > I lose something like 5% of my cooling, though the radiator > is probably cleaner than the original, so it's probably about > the same. > > > Does anyone kynow how to tell the difference between the > radiators on ebay? Anyone buy one of these $250 aluminum radiators? > > And any thoughts on the difference between aluminum and stock? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 11:20:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B56F4374F for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8297F40436 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170126pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MV800AEIHDIBOX0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:48:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 63.239.65.11 ([63.239.65.11]) by vznit170126 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:48:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:48:54 -0500 (CDT) From: ptegler@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 12:25:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0A44382C for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB91436CB for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id vb8so1268604obc.19 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=by6yfi04K/x3oPFl+Xw8CB9scRx9UwG6kdo3QLWewn0=; b=DgJVtYo38SzFaZBSYbP+Orsk7c8JM97bltgoqFQu1HGw5+QyOp800eJ+xrK9kMizxi 9DBVjeo64WYSBIZjg4nZeJZ+rCUhCBRGRDju3R9BRY/OTnDtimpPCxji5l+ASTBOaY7n JeLKlDmOTb5fF1XCVfXPKyZWxvS/3R6DxFc5AXsFRbXmXq6c5LmU6OWo/A0dAjlFfFTN 4vYdR9hGWnUCmIIGcWID4kCJeiHm1p9LZv9OlQfNyL4BjyDo/XcFOAdOIXt7yRICs3RP 9ZiYOvPlus5RvT5wQ38J1r+qeMfgYgRoiTFp9B1G+pVIAa032dfEudrJNqZDF/7z2+Wb Objg== Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s14sm8799690oeo.1.2013.10.25.10.52.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:53:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7RqjEQW7M9xFNlSvWM6rB7Dv6t/Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Engine Heater Valve Pipe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I purchased the correct original heat valve pipe outlet that comes out of the head as what was there from the previous owner was not original. This heater valve screws into this fitting. Problem is that you can't screw it into the head as it hits against the rear head mounting stud and nut. I can't believe that you have to install this on the head before mounting to the engine, but any thoughts out there. The only idea I came up with is to use a short extension pipe and then screw the orig fitting into that, but I really want it to be correct. Moss part number 635-260 under heating section. Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala , FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 14:41:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF1940542 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5283D430BC for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2013 20:13:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2013 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.171] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2013 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2013 20:13:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 72914 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2013 20:13:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382732021; bh=lCE9IuQQD3ATBDNAMb2l9eR3u2+Cdti8y/DPRUOMqgY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UOyj9jx+oi8J3TYM6VFg41vuD6u3HukqyyTh2y0LLHHHKEKC7unZRs8yu3qt3JmK/xF+lPDry7mq0T3dgoN3/kYxkBRqvzczCzwyPLRcSimvIX0KY69qWvsmAJCSuTCcWNXltyhXrP5iBvLS7KJigcAFtnw6Ch6oKVlENE068tc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t6wnTrREhhdawtAB0/gjmaKvLEPE4QeqQ1dY8/dBUMo/RoHSjH7oa5kSqZF048P/TA3npMNKcGZZuHX18lE0r947oqNnCU7PYDt0ZSVaQ721GvIphheHC9qfFQjGGi9/HRc9JAbxwLAp8mdpIPwtMQTEi8AAqL6AH3zKi3/3HZI=; aVdMB8TcSFLqYvOf1sh9iOfQIg00Ip5PFAIM- Received: from [108.0.20.132] by web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:13:41 PDT bW9zcyBzYXlzIGl0cyBzYW1lIHBhcnQgYXMgdGhlIFRSMy4KaWYgdGhhdCdzIHNvIHRoZSBzaWRlIHBpZWNlIGF0IDkwIGRlZ3JlZXMgc2NyZXdzIG91dApGcmFuawoKCgpPbiBGcmlkYXksIE9jdG9iZXIgMjUsIDIwMTMgMTE6MjQgQU0sIEphbWVzIEhlbm5pbmdzZW4gPHRyZ3V5NzVAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKICAKTGlzdDoKCkkgcHVyY2hhc2VkIHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0IG9yaWdpbmFsIGhlYXQgdmFsdmUgcGlwZSBvdXRsZXQgdGhhdCBjb21lcyBvdXQgb2YKdGhlIGhlYWQgYXMgd2hhdCB3YXMgdGhlcmUBMAEBAQE- References: <008701ced1ab$10daca70$32905f50$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Fisher To: James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine Heater Valve Pipe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net moss says its same part as the TR3. if that's so the side piece at 90 degrees screws out Frank On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24 AM, James Henningsen wrote: List: I purchased the correct original heat valve pipe outlet that comes out of the head as what was there from the previous owner was not original. This heater valve screws into this fitting. Problem is that you can't screw it into the head as it hits against the rear head mounting stud and nut. I can't believe that you have to install this on the head before mounting to the engine, but any thoughts out there. The only idea I came up with is to use a short extension pipe and then screw the orig fitting into that, but I really want it to be correct. Moss part number 635-260 under heating section. Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala , FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 14:42:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84554383D for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4AE4324D for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MV800LWBO4FXHR0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:14:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:14:34 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac7RtfoIwq6Xl7RyQUeBL2SStmjDfg== Subject: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does anyone know if this an actual badge for the TR3? I am not mounting it - just curious. Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 16:56:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE1A43019 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1EB427EC for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB66A1A64 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:31:39 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: ''Triumphs'' References: <00a001ced1b6$70d78a70$52869f50$@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net CFM-TR wrote: > When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, > I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome > letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does anyone > know if this an actual badge for the TR3? > > Can you email a picture of it to me? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 17:11:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912F9430AE for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5786742FDA for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=4JemgxDFp74A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=APzV-_ZrtAIzRQySdswA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:34180] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 54/B7-17346-F86FA625; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:54:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:54:07 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , James Henningsen Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine Heater Valve Pipe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > moss says its same part as the TR3. Must be some mistake. The TR4 uses a cable-operated heater valve, that sits on top of a 45 degree street ell that screws into the head. Totally different setup than the TR3 with the handwheel and extension tube. I'm not positive, but I think that if you remove the head nut & rocker cover, there will be enough room to install the elbow. If that doesn't work, then your only alternatives are to remove the head; or use a plumbing nipple and regular (female-to-female) elbow. Removing just the one nut should be safe; as long as you reinstall and torque to 102 ftlb before trying to start the engine. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 17:39:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F824325F for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6245242FE1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MV8003DLZ9N3J40@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:15:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" References: <00a001ced1b6$70d78a70$52869f50$@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:15:18 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQD7k0TUDXVai/8cn3/DkEY/alpXD5usiE/w Subject: Re: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net several people asked for an image. I uploaded it to photobucket: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1160.jpg It is about 1 1/2 x 3 1/2" C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:15 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does anyone know if this an actual badge for the TR3? I am not mounting it - just curious. Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 17:41:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706984324D for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E514304B for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MV8001CCZK9KRN0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:21:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" References: <00a001ced1b6$70d78a70$52869f50$@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:21:40 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQD7k0TUDXVai/8cn3/DkEY/alpXD5usiE/wgAACx7A= Subject: Re: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I thought you would be able to scroll to the 2nd picture. http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1162.jpg -----Original Message----- From: CFM-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:15 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: RE: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know several people asked for an image. I uploaded it to photobucket: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1160.jpg It is about 1 1/2 x 3 1/2" C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:15 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does anyone know if this an actual badge for the TR3? I am not mounting it - just curious. Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 17:56:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872F843580 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD70242FE1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b13so1491778wgh.0 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:31:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hqpgXsCMhRVeJjqW78FGkErPFLNCg3J6JKLrfrLL4yk=; b=gwnfv2ODDZ5ohH220nm0FCdJoHqrAC0ythjWM4u76KwFu8t5PGAzxnrLUuL9QTewR3 fwpOylchpUAJW7uUBmJMDdZrjtGR0AHdsZB0EZ/VVRfkBr6PMOo1kU5bFLwh+KpWez5U dABhymUiSgrYe881v7zZ0aC72T+JWRK6q2mvFUcqcAE0b1BQskW8iPnia0wzpsLlbK8T O/LJqFFXKcWAzqlhbDY7xQlNUjTTQcpI1G7wowIL2OJ5PvvseiBJvvKVNtnhI+Z91TFy IL43r77OvY5d8kOI54+Eip56x/M4e/DccJRMMrOrLx7o0VgbU7SXxFWGW4Y155UsAHQw Qd8w== k9mr5337552wjf.24.1382743868922; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:31:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <00a001ced1b6$70d78a70$52869f50$@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:31:08 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen period "TR3" badges that are vaguely similar to the factory TR4 badges but are narrower and use a different font style. I've been told by some of our more senior TR folk that those might have been distributor-applied prior to the introduction of the TRIUMPH emblem on the rear panel. They don't quite look factory quality if it's the one I have in mind -- more like the dealer name badges in zinc die cast that used to be relatively common on new cars. Photos would be useful. On 10/25/13, CFM-TR wrote: > When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, > I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome > letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does > anyone > know if this an actual badge for the TR3? > > > > I am not mounting it - just curious. > > > > > > > > Carl > > 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 18:58:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825FB43661 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm42-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm42-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0024300E for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm42.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.199] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 00:19:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382746795; bh=2cawIc99sR4HAN3H4wfuBiAGUnF47hs9aFDcylKP36M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=MifqnLmBS2nCgwo+sZuqOa7HAIcOE9B8QGKdB8lxxeWs8hPiG+6QXb70FXc86DCfifJmfuJRcaWIRMcGpcOMligd1d3cchJiTGNs2pJjby0T/4rgqcJRV9sDS6tQl7+XQ/CRnA8OPVk5J4xehrbWGOqM80SH5RDvX6LkKw07fGE= Ktx6oFdY1DrhLJl0Tk0.z48LM.migIGdmDqMEcsv1MCRSWEFRyn1T3yYzhWO 9u_XHuTplzK6wXP3lVRlGOREtMGjWJuYt92DjQ9KX5KCUXqXZmgzdw5Uw8uG a4J6CGN6Pq2DfNWj9iuMNURbI7T8VgteGPSrZCiHvDfZXw3TXSCiLy1i4fC. .gX4SHpWe6VFpQCUOaNwFr8nRyJoceC7OYo5gkD.3qr1cWphywMOk_laStVA eYqGc5hvTtR0DdJp0Yy_xf7_eIbZLlKn5MPAJO9Gn55cRgxCu1JJGW77IfoU GX7Lt7Oy.xTGScwaXzvCSeQZIR42yd0v.I6fyt4_sIqzwkxLeWgGMo9BW7eS 2mL4ZzRZz5o5yxQmf5c4ChKAgiPgmTe0QXJZhJMd0VYQZfZtap7ThccDrOBh Qa8wVgWqGy7Wrwo1YyCRPUKkg3LNl68fyASiTfXDKCQ6GOd1Fj_XUhSsYV8t ceM6okR7QbgzTTdN9tNEFi8Le7shfVLNgq1Dl5eTtMHBz.yHf_rKFw68QukU 6CDTRuEKM_DvQsa16rPl6icM.mnJU3Kh.UcwID7OxmptccEVzMblF6s8FA31 DuUwH3UONK4lCV_lfSvpAwlBC_5p9MvSJEAjzh2yHb9kW5S7NcR7DJ4a.fpC nVXSGlSW6KeD7TwlE.j5mT05gAXy7uWmrqu51uM9YwdsNZcXLkki1nhTDspF siF5Fvw-- smtp208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2013 17:19:55 -0700 PDT References: <00a001ced1b6$70d78a70$52869f50$@verizon.net> <00c001ced1d8$1245d2b0$36d17810$@verizon.net> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:19:55 -0500 To: "cfmtr3a@verizon.net" Cc: 'Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Never seen it before, I'll take a wild shot and say someone custom made that. Reasoning that the "3" doesn't look European. It would look nice on the rear deck or the cubby box lid. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:15 PM, "CFM-TR" wrote: > > several people asked for an image. I uploaded it to photobucket: > http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1160.jpg It is about > 1 1/2 x 3 1/2" > C > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:15 PM > To: ''Triumphs'' > Subject: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know > > When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, > I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome > letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does anyone > know if this an actual badge for the TR3? > > > > I am not mounting it - just curious. > > > > > > > > Carl > > 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 19:01:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98E143797 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A3F4300E for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n12so1537397wgh.1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:36:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LQF9R1QrEF6E7GDmvOYQNTx8TkpLrFURkLPqi3Y5yIY=; b=f6yeI8gUIjwlT0P9znniurUqmGUwLQ6i+j1Lj/SoFqJsvs6hZ2nD/0o7Ok/5B2MukW QhFs4DEw3s5EwHcgqbVkNyC6k9/RLWepKYq2nLLXBBca98zLzG+K4C6nh/TNNKwIC+Vn G+QDk4bGQmgIF25ezmXW+WlVPwWx1l2vkyHrYGvE5wXL/u/rFA0gM462PLDDLmDLv+Hp dPsduiNfh/O/9yXaCZAc8qf8TbLIGSZjHEMrssd+xAu5+GpC5BX1hMBHfk/0TjeWdRYa PFi2Nnekxk6gKm4N6EDPdwRjPwQKnt6j62Ei0yEG5KglTzBakctTOOGMJbgbidejsYVH wi0A== Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:28:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <00a001ced1b6$70d78a70$52869f50$@verizon.net> <00c101ced1d8$f5dd5f70$e1981e50$@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:28:52 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's not the one I've seen before, Carl. On 10/25/13, CFM-TR wrote: > I thought you would be able to scroll to the 2nd picture. > http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1162.jpg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CFM-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:15 PM > To: ''Triumphs'' > Subject: RE: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know > > several people asked for an image. I uploaded it to photobucket: > http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1160.jpg It is > about > 1 1/2 x 3 1/2" > C > > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:15 PM > To: ''Triumphs'' > Subject: [TR] inquiring mind wants to know > > When I was going through the boxes to see what I missed during the project, > I came across a badge that looks similar to the TR4 and then TR4A - chrome > letters/number that go on the rear somewhere - but it is "TR3". Does > anyone > know if this an actual badge for the TR3? > > > > I am not mounting it - just curious. > > > > > > > > Carl > > 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 19:36:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E5B43737 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5B943222 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wn1so1701521obc.13 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=NTla4u3iRi2y9DPprAorNm6Wa0dUDMetBuBPRfeb1i0=; b=o5c96krAcJC80joV0Bn/O3dovBzt7hM19pm5wwGtEjuP+mLqtY+lCkLoitpiCVksi1 XA8RVDSE76qJ6gXYdoT2tbdAwiuoEzQ1zcXqySvuU5Pcn6FQEQIEvxzS4FR1AG4xDkdd ZecYGbmZso1qVz4Mq7YOIRCzHTb4CeHPJkn0mHlwnqKvv+jwc3vZBBaXvOkQAgEaEvcl ll9x+GdOyny/uKsuJSdKaFJ/d9B7thqlUsS0P9k4MdYkAjYW/P2ULfsL9WG8CpQUJDFF 3SzeVfqEVch39SA+8OC304uShAFKLyuaGC8CUmplzCIc9oiDR1g8UHK9OoS9fZOptQSD RfdQ== b2mr5228721obj.41.1382750110039; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xx9sm9868245obc.6.2013.10.25.18.15.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Randall'" , References: <1382732021.71010.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20131025225408.Q3TT5.139935.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 21:15:18 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJ6h5NQaqQ6/TA8eELa4dKcPUbO+piuwZ6Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine Heater Valve Pipe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. It is different than the TR3 and uses a 45 degree elbow one piece fitting. I'll look tomorrow and see if there is clearance without the nut. I think the stud is also in contact. If not, then it is time for a little pipe fitting as mentioned as removing the head seems a bit much for the sake of pure originality. Thanks, jim henningsen -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:54 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net; James Henningsen Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine Heater Valve Pipe ---- Frank Fisher wrote: > moss says its same part as the TR3. Must be some mistake. The TR4 uses a cable-operated heater valve, that sits on top of a 45 degree street ell that screws into the head. Totally different setup than the TR3 with the handwheel and extension tube. I'm not positive, but I think that if you remove the head nut & rocker cover, there will be enough room to install the elbow. If that doesn't work, then your only alternatives are to remove the head; or use a plumbing nipple and regular (female-to-female) elbow. Removing just the one nut should be safe; as long as you reinstall and torque to 102 ftlb before trying to start the engine. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 20:19:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CC2436CA for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC16B40409 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 02:13:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.5] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 02:13:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 02:13:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 32567 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2013 02:13:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382753587; bh=/s9ksdlceCJQ/PQkuNLHZKzOKZbhkTe22Vtax93M+x4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SbCj2YMW+IKXwvwifg1gUhugVIwqoi6FD8o0jj37zjpYi7PHqszwEBq0vSrcHXOau6q4JgWjv4bprJaM/FqX7VT8azpgRLHbQ552KVlMq3Dc+2AM92MDTpUfn821/+lJqpb4Pphaa/uEHFsX+O96qgG53HzUB9BwdEl6sMGLEXs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wRAfNCLGAw7Agb4zqzPXkgTOSJHrZ1uZrle0pwrso2H7PsHa7Qjlrn3TyKAXV6s7WjubkZi4UUXAeOYmHY6YMI7rqI6LS78V/uzSIDyR7FIzES4I+7tnOGmuLPwUDDpohLhE5XdMigItu7bOOcW/Gwm6tTIp+QkhuuA0gmplxQA=; 2YmtFwhzBsPR12aycckFXRVHliRZCnmDrZ_7rkv2GEARBks8H7m3xJ_9kga_ _UL.Fym_w.FfvGK_O4cupqRheFIBdPB.lO5st1cUFiB2iJtQJEgKyS1vz9Ao 0g.NRxK1C6J6XudtHj.BZbwF.Qkfu7ImpvFpMXC.Ymfdf9mBs83xpS7OKeQe S0vMBZz5qXJaWfDPLT41mFwzL323WsseGj3KJU9h3uZBBTNTcUXHpjPVVOPO .f.dQSkL8iMatmh3Sz2ZrMkMtgRjLeCiIuSO3MWbRJhtMwCpcqMCS_68zTNG u2iUtHjkMH44vVCc2O4_Rm4SGMBiJxwefm5AwY_4kt8A9_RXPjpjNIsli6JI JZh1nsv2mf5yS9AHY4qY1EsApM9E.ZvHrdQwuPZBGgcZ4cDplXC4NJBa7mC7 vuSDLeoGWh.KMD30hMNFXfjdlkQG0rux1U7SJh_VQpNxsyODdnAwAaMtnoCw aumF01IkIKdwhOo8SNKVRqYDzocpjM5AbhBD0oJYl97GmCImzknFnaqFTZJV bsBZxUl9U64mNxDcYfv8FZWl1aQ-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:13:07 PDT TXkgYW1wIGd1YWdlIGlzIGNvbmZ1c2luZyBtZSBncmVhdGx5LsKgICh0ci0zKcKgIEl0J3MgYSByZWNlbnQgcmVzdG9yYXRpb24gYW5kIHRoZSBuZWVkbGUgZGlkIG5vdCBtb3ZlIGF0IGFsbCB1bnRpbCBJIGZvdW5kIHRoYXQgdGhlIG5lZWRsZSB3YXMgYmluZGluZyB3aGljaCBJIGZpeGVkIGJ5IHRha2luZyBhcGFydCB0aGUgZ3VhZ2UgYW5kIGJlbmRpbmcgdGhlIG5lZWRsZS7CoMKgIAoKTm93wqAgd2hlbiBJIGZsaWNrIG9uIHRoZSBoZWFkbGlnaHRzIHRvIHRlc3QsIHRoZSBuZWVkbGUgbW92ZXMgYSBmcmEBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] amps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My amp guage is confusing me greatly. (tr-3) It's a recent restoration and the needle did not move at all until I found that the needle was binding which I fixed by taking apart the guage and bending the needle. Now when I flick on the headlights to test, the needle moves a fraction of a degree but in the plus direction. When I turn on the heater it doesn't move at all (the heater motor is powered straight (with its own fuse) from the power side of the starter solenoid. More strangley; when I flick the turn signal to the LEFT the amp needle waves madly from -30 to +30 in time with the "click" of the turn signal. Flicking the turn signal for a RIGHT turn and the needle sometimes moves only a tiny bit in the right + direction. But it moves MORE to the right when I flick the turn signal immediately from left turn to right turn. When a load is put on the battery such as turning on the lights, heater ect. shouldn't the amp needle move to the minus side rather than plus? Just wondering whether it's the guage or control box. Hope this is understandable. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 05:15:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAA743794 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 05:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D121443794 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 04:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.153] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 10:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 37801 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2013 10:44:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382784265; bh=HreltsSDA9Yvg1naiLOH2n0O4yM17PDghJe7kl5epGA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UfrJYFWSvzmGOGY5yuC09HCj8cX/FE2Xtcl1AIB3syakgIgCe33aTRYTQt0E+0jWgvydeSQzhX39OX2T0kcT9qJ0lDSWfQox+Jrxu5s/EJybDdRxbDonvnTbrJyqpaecb1nAJFukaImTOojtColSxm3/o/b1EZXMQd4ZLUGE9bc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jwMWiKoaFa2MH/ECVOCw+Z94XysdtZf9ckO7P2MsE/gasO3aFAbm1wGjY8NWdguGa3rBAFlHJNKWfaNZZHDwroZ/NR0GwvjwsJIySSqg5XaLW1SCrjLCSuAj9ixuDKblvyQzo5VSlCyFh7CaC/8aWTT9927X6TdBGFAPbIziJ2M=; SEB5_hVuzhkIwoNoBhszY2kxt05S05tvBIEbewUlU9xX5xs12ctz9iA3lDum wlHH7.t46vXOVvHEbS_sClv8O_J3eTbQrH1jdjkHSvNG02osZyrwBxSsGu2p h9s5YIxrZ.Rpev2dnGZAPTHLhBY1nHynFPgbHw74Zw1cwz3i42Y6kAa1C1eZ NVATL3_juS6sJAjrImO5AYn4b8K9NzF3IGDmm5fgP1vG3wVjBxqgrHhHnO.k o_hZ3b7YQzDQ9ocW6hQFnqN0GoQbyN2UCML0gPdo3RihMGEznfBUxQJjMgn_ FQjHeJgl8DqZYknX3PQRj26OHd1jWhoF1Y1XTP9YfIUEb4.MwL92vpJePd9u VMa_X2.f06BLJHcK1BSmC0KrrwSIj4nN1g6pb_s_7CdrjyOPhh7KHFYdD80Z SFthP2_sb8jmOL7Fv68wndYettfbeRjFSjReErTli6ARpImuNNJyVUSWas1c p7ca4aukuyavFp0YP_qIQJcg3ZHIc8uRlrtQ9oNZd.LfvXtThsveUbGZBWDL D1rWrhg6xpmnFIc2R2bZ2cx.x8DyzbkDZlJYfxOLbMh6jdiQIjdcIhNAfEtv l.QK758ZxjgCIldZ4X0Bl3lpccMw3RCjdBQ2y7ps.RlU- Received: from [69.208.155.180] by web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 03:44:25 PDT TG9va3MgbGlrZSB5b3UgaGF2ZSB0d28gc2VwcmF0ZSBwcm9ibGVtcy4KKDEpIFRoZSB3aXJlcyBvbiB0aGUgYmFjayBvZiB0aGUgYW1tZXRlciBhcmUgcmV2ZXJzZWQsIG1ha2luZyB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBmbG93CsKgwqAgYmFja3dhcmRzIHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIG1ldGVyLCB0aHVzLCBpdCBzaG93c8KgcG9zaXRpdmUgd2hlbiBpdCBpcyByZWFsbHkgbmVnYXRpdmUuCigyKSBZb3VyIGxlZnQgdHVybiBzaWduYWwgaXMgZHJhd2luZyBtYXkgdG9vIG11Y2ggY3VycmVudCwgbG9vayBmb3IgYSBzaG9ydCB0byBncm8BMAEBAQE- References: <1382753587.31993.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 03:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Young To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] amps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like you have two seprate problems. (1) The wires on the back of the ammeter are reversed, making the current flow backwards through the meter, thus, it shows positive when it is really negative. (2) Your left turn signal is drawing may too much current, look for a short to ground in that circuit. John Young NASS# 528 Indiana '78 Spitfire '66 Spitfire '59 TR3A (being repaired after 37 yrs ownership) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:13 PM Subject: [TR] amps My amp guage is confusing me greatly. (tr-3) It's a recent restoration and the needle did not move at all until I found that the needle was binding which I fixed by taking apart the guage and bending the needle. Now when I flick on the headlights to test, the needle moves a fraction of a degree but in the plus direction. When I turn on the heater it doesn't move at all (the heater motor is powered straight (with its own fuse) from the power side of the starter solenoid. More strangley; when I flick the turn signal to the LEFT the amp needle waves madly from -30 to +30 in time with the "click" of the turn signal. Flicking the turn signal for a RIGHT turn and the needle sometimes moves only a tiny bit in the right + direction. But it moves MORE to the right when I flick the turn signal immediately from left turn to right turn. When a load is put on the battery such as turning on the lights, heater ect. shouldn't the amp needle move to the minus side rather than plus? Just wondering whether it's the guage or control box. Hope this is understandable. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeyoung_2@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 08:27:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72BA430E4 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5AE4304E for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:53:20 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=gAywp7A5CKUA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=odY5xkj5uK4RBAFca9oA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Q23xz8Rqhvt60-zOEeAA:9 a=8F1IcHpNzOvjNMH6:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50151] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id E3/FE-00474-B09CB625; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:52:11 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:58:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A-Advanced AutoWire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, So I have my TR4A just about done now and I am thinking about a improvement maybe somebody out there might be able to help implementing. I have installed a Advanced AutoWire harness and I am completely happy with it. But first I wanted to mention that I still need to get that vertical center console piece re-upholstered which gets me to my idea.. Before I drop off the console at the upholstery guy, I am thinking about adding a lighted hazard switch down in-between the heater controls. The harness has a provision to add a hazard switch using a kind of clunky double pole-double throw switch which I have done but it is located down under the dash in a fairly inconvenient location. So, I want to replace the DPDT toggle switch with two standard automotive relays that have a SPDT configuration. To control the two relays I would like to add a lighted push-on, push-off type hazard switch and that is what I need help on. Is anybody aware of a suitable switch? I am also thinking about moving the auxilary electric fan switch down there too but I would need a lighted push button of some kind for that too. It would really be nice if the two switches would have a similar shape so it looks like it came that way. Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS Almost done! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 09:55:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43929436D7 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0AF43105 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:21:18 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=-5oaB8wyDMWO3NDuQLoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=He64rCCcppsnX6D5:21 a=S57mGOd4QI15bAVY:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FF/AE-09301-AADDB625; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:20:11 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:20:25 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7R8aLcPUoreF4uR1W86Ptatu+GegAa9R8A Subject: Re: [TR] amps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Now when I > flick on the headlights to test, the needle moves a fraction > of a degree but > in the plus direction. Engine running? Slow idle, fast idle? > When I turn on the heater it doesn't > move at all (the > heater motor is powered straight (with its own fuse) from the > power side of > the starter solenoid. So, the heater is wired wrong and the ammeter is not going to indicate the current drawn by the heater, except maybe as charge. > More strangley; when I flick the turn > signal to the > LEFT the amp needle waves madly from -30 to +30 in time with > the "click" of > the turn signal. You've got both a short in the left turn signals; and probably the wrong fuse or incorrect wiring such that the fuse is not supplying the turn signals. > Flicking the turn signal for a RIGHT turn > and the needle > sometimes moves only a tiny bit in the right + direction. Again, what conditions? I think your ammeter is also still sticking, in addition to being wired backwards. > When a load is put on the battery such as turning on the > lights, heater > ect. shouldn't the amp needle move to the minus side rather > than plus? Just > wondering whether it's the guage or control box. With the engine not running (or at a slow idle), then yes, anything you turn on should show up as discharge (needle to the - side). But, with the engine running just a bit faster, the generator should supply the current (or at least part of it) and you won't see a discharge. For the heater (and anything else) that is connected on the battery side of the ammeter, you might even be able to see a tiny bit of charge shown, as the generator supplies the current drawn by the heater motor through the ammeter. But I doubt you'll see that just for the stock heater motor, which doesn't draw very much. My suggestion would be to do the initial troubleshooting with the engine off, so that you know more clearly what you should be seeing. That won't test the control box of course, but you can work out all the other issues like ammeter wiring, shorts and so on. Then compare that to what happens with the engine running. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 09:57:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956A4378E for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3CD43105 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id oy12so1596597veb.29 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:22:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YvRBTKlG6h+tIY1Cdh8SzTA4jJwkPaBFblKUeALMvi4=; b=QdD8sbUz4ubhYzSFGvZ5p3uFeqMeofkjrsX16noTjbPntAKfjNPCbbrU5bSaTCxeC1 of4bk38nqh9lidnXqWW2CBVRHhlmU5c2GFSbcCL5r29G05h7efEODUnuZY6Yeh+bVyLU VpIi7ABnsw3IRhvZJigW+dudOkRaA9MH1CvYGojSLG7rZr2ktM1/QZuyjI/rvp1dhiVX y02mT2voOBMwk83amd282OIhsn0XE8dSiOOtp0igkyjIgZnzlHGz4PsdCrVUZOhiyjAA NNVTFsb0yAHkcVkFWn0J6aVOmVGkSJ6FAyRo5T3IAEj0Hm7ue5WtzENDL1BisgTU+w+E 7jZg== rp9mr1925534vcb.29.1382800961531; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:22:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <1382753587.31993.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1382784265.38471.YahooMailNeo@web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:22:41 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] amps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 3:44 AM, John Young wrote: > Looks like you have two seprate problems. > (1) The wires on the back of the > ammeter are reversed, making the current flow > backwards through the meter, > thus, it shows positive when it is really negative And that can easily occur if *someone* changed the system from positive ground to negative ground without swapping the connections on the ammeter. As for "When a load is put on the battery such as turning on the lights, heater ect. shouldn't the amp needle move...". The gauge will only 'see' loads that are in it's circuit -- IOW if something (such as your heater) is wired directly from the battery or solenoid, then the amp gauge doesn't know it's there. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 10:15:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3E9437E1 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE2A43105 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:50:44 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=vtWgUb298PEA:10 a=HhcCDt03bsWqwRdXC_MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E4/8C-01931-684EB625; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:49:26 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:49:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Qz60GULHDuCfrSom1tHuaw5FOIwBkm0Ig Subject: Re: [TR] De-Rusting TR3 Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Last time > I rebuilt the > engine (about 11 years and 80,000 miles ago) it was pretty > rusty inside the > water jacket area of the block and I de-rusted it pretty well > and have used > No-Rosion since. If it is full of rust again, then the No-Rosion isn't working. You need to find something that actually works and stick with that. Even with No-Rosion, you are still supposed to change the coolant every 5 years; and the new Prestone "any color" antifreeze claims that it's anti-corrosion additives will last for 5 years anyway. So far anyway, it seems to work for me. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 10:38:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1F84374A for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380CD43639 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:18:57 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=0wRQmWtS3bEA:10 a=31cqGwLdqY8Esb3uXSYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9B/CE-17346-A2BEB625; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:17:46 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:18:00 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Qrf82CMCiYPChRjOygd/iZ5P5YgBtRhQw Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Or maybe my question should be........ does the TR3 have > inherent cooling > problems that could be helped by an aluminum radiator that > handles hear > "better"? That has been a much debated topic over the years. The conventional wisdom is that "All British cars overheat", and there may be some small truth to that. Lots of folks do have cooling problems, but I think it is less due to any inherent shortcoming and more due to things like the cars being old, rarely driven, poorly understood and indifferently maintained. I'm not a big fan of P.J. O'Rourke, but I did enjoy his book "Drive like Crazy", mostly because the story centers around a cross-country trip in a 56 Buick. With that litany of mechanical problems (including persistent overheating), he could just as easily been driving a TR3! But unlike the Buick, with a TR3 no one will ever tell you "That thing will run forever". The difference is in the perception, not the facts. "Back when", I drove an entire Indiana summer in a decrepit TR3A that had no cooling fan at all! Original radiator (from another TR3A), no cardboard air duct (didn't know it was supposed to have one), and probably the original grille. It actually had no cooling problems at all while driving at speed, and I limped around town by simply shutting the engine off every chance I got. It seemed clear to me that the only issue was lack of airflow through the radiator (under certain conditions), not anything to do with radiator size, thermostat type and so on. Of course, since then, I've been using radiators without a crank hole, so they do work better than the original. But I'd have to say that my current TR3 continues the trend, where it shows no signs of any lack of cooling under any circumstances. With a 185 modern thermostat (no sleeve), the needle never goes above the '5' in 185 (which is where the electric fan kicks in). Even then, the fan runs for only 30-40 seconds before turning off again. The gauge hardly moves, but obviously the water coming back from the radiator has gone below the 190F setpoint for the fan thermostat. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 11:22:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239D843829 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36910430DA for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 17:00:14 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.130] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 17:00:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 17:00:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 8997 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2013 17:00:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382806813; bh=w7fQbq9K/sdlh45Yn7LmYkUCY63fujVvq9AW29bw/Vg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RFS0+49JyB9RvjV4qdbwItcVgv8xfSH6hB285sCRRY1WhGysbERlqxrhWTpI52Sf2wYm3Ywgv8WNO+zUSIRxXDNGT1UOoEWFtyPq2hJjAGJl7zRmDs9QYjz+CzCQcv7XuF81J4xFfWVklNhKG8d3WlrJHs7P7I4Jpd+Eg9/i+Ys= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z1WVTh6h3326XWRNmOS0cITO9oNWINKJ/3RnqczirFxd/EdiUpcIqj1XeBgGomkrgwEK0mqqokzXx2MoNyknT5VUfrx3KvRKfVS0VToIRvxck6XO0G+SfQ4nyh2b4FnunQ3G/3HR7BAldPPAV/3QXmrkdGSM/SZWRnmtI171k7o=; WERlZcF..iYj0qrZTpv.2IkjdciLrnT5xgNcPiL_3ciM3pyDt4Psxo5vZ0nx iyGUgvFsCig4R2PTAYBfuhenfB51lUCu5.inmWYZtwQc7yj6g9bQDkeFSoRa 9zXnG8UtzzTiigoIw6iZ8L5dK7nj.Ndza6RwpLkcdJf6ta57vkUv60WOEFLy hL25.oGNQoT8_uuO01pSu0qvYFzD9DlOxDDe4n0F8PCIjF3cWoGyFhR5GORW BMoxNwO3kJhBrhasNmJVTceytehSZzeNA8us0QYXplt36SeFz_ZsiL10HYiu zxHgD5sX2D6qfSXAhiQosieBUnd4JdbDQrAJ1_..Gc4xF4VDwtUSCi5Vuxjb U4owXwxLcTIcc5IeVDdUydWYOO2unrb64xgvkYn0q9iRARyLgEb6S2aMGROI L6mGW_UgJyUrHn9sjm5xME7xHKNHrRl2.CPr.IXOqMk68NGBVCzoQAmC8vY3 5uNBZ9v4P2wkWP._3caRim6oMEZXD3rb7M3rtoigl_mYvX0ovDZHjvN6cnEy kwfo9I_fpIXk8BI8EF0WMJHZqyxToQlmA3iL5mKpvUHQNkvFCj5zu Received: from [108.199.50.17] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:00:13 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBZZWFoLCBoYXZlbid0IGdvdCB0aGUgZW5naW5lIG91dCBvciBoZWFkIG9mZiB5ZXQuIEl0IG1pZ2h0IGJlIGZpbmUuIEkgd2FzIHdvbmRlcmluZyBpZiB0aGVyZSB3YXMgYSBwZXJtYW5lbnQgc29sdXRpb24gc28gdGhhdCBpbiAzMCB5ZWFycyB3aGVuIEkgcHVsbCB0aGUgaGVhZCBvZmYgYWdhaW4gaXQgd2lsbCBzdGlsbCBiZSBwcmV0dHkgcnVzdCBmcmVlIGluc2lkZS4KCsKgIMKgIMKgQmlsbCBpbiBUZWhhY2hhcGkKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmEBMAEBAQE- References: <1382627958.36951.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: William Brewer To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] De-Rusting TR3 Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, haven't got the engine out or head off yet. It might be fine. I was wondering if there was a permanent solution so that in 30 years when I pull the head off again it will still be pretty rust free inside. Bill in Tehachapi ________________________________ From: Randall To: 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [TR] De-Rusting TR3 Block > Last time > I rebuilt the > engine (about 11 years and 80,000 miles ago) it was pretty > rusty inside the > water jacket area of the block and I de-rusted it pretty well > and have used > No-Rosion since. If it is full of rust again, then the No-Rosion isn't working. You need to find something that actually works and stick with that. Even with No-Rosion, you are still supposed to change the coolant every 5 years; and the new Prestone "any color" antifreeze claims that it's anti-corrosion additives will last for 5 years anyway. So far anyway, it seems to work for me. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 12:11:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79844323F for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4924309D for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-5065.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.67.202]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Va7yp-0001tY-1x for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:48:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:49:00 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Inquiring minds want to know. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: On the TR3 badge question, on my '2 I have a similar badge, approx. the same size and font that reads: "Triumph TR2". It is on the rear deck centered between the spare tire cover and trunk lid. I always assumed it was a dealer installed "extra". I am the second owner of my car and have a good history of the car. Cheers Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 14:41:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E35430AD for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:41:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C494319F for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:04:54 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:04:50 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Coolant at top of Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, Well... the day has come and I believe I may have my first engine defect. Yesterday I removed the valve cover to discover "goo" surrounding the plug in the top of the head, inside the valve train area. I wiped it clean and waited. Today I looked, and sure enough, greenish coolant is leaking from around the plug. (I'm curious as to what is providing the pressure to force it up through the seam.) Dong some quick research I see the most plausible culprit is the head gasket leaking between cylinders 2 &3. Does anyone have any thoughts, experience or advice you could share? I'd love to be wrong, but at this point I think I'm looking at pulling the head and replacing the gasket. If I do this, how can avoid this in the future? Is there some technique I should be using? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 16:01:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED55842EF3 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291C740439 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:19:29 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=qpyl56xnY2gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=IRmEz2pSJCMA:10 a=sz9JyxU3-anSxNJsyQQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WsSYi3vzSjMA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CA/88-00725-9613C625; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:17:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:17:44 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Si6wavfo0RpARSsmy+zrPQBcdzAAAxdHg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Coolant at top of Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Today I looked, and sure enough, greenish coolant is leaking > from around the > plug. (I'm curious as to what is providing the pressure to > force it up through > the seam.) > Dong some quick research I see the most plausible culprit is > the head gasket > leaking between cylinders 2 &3. Sorry, not plausible at all. The bottom of that plug is open to the coolant passage through the head. What you are seeing is the plug leaking coolant from the passage, most likely because someone hasn't kept the antifreeze up to date and it is almost corroded through from the inside. The only safe cure will be to replace the plug. I've not tried it myself, but supposedly you can tap the hole to take a socket head pipe plug. I've got a head where someone else has done that, and it appears to be about a 3/4" plug. I'm guessing it can be done with the head in place, but be sure to flush the engine thoroughly afterwards, to get out all of the chips & cutting oil. > If I do this, how can avoid this in the future? Is there > some technique I should be using? The problem is that iron, aluminum and water form what is essentially a weak battery. With the iron and aluminum in contact, a small current flows, which slowly eats away the aluminum. Ordinary antifreeze has additives that stop the process, but the additives wear out over time even if you don't drive the car. So it is essential to both use enough antifreeze and be sure to replace it as recommended. Probably you've been doing that, and the damage was done by some DPO even though it's only showing up now. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 16:50:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2F4431D0 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F6742EF3 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.70.85]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id hxnD1m0031qPdyW01xnECo; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:47:15 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , References: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:47:14 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJdkdwJ6fIw5PoMwl23F4OjYpm+DZjqBdGQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Coolant at top of Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd replace the plug itself before doing anything more invasive. They do tend to rot. Plus - change your oil as you are likely to have coolant in it. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 4:05 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Coolant at top of Cylinder Head All, Well... the day has come and I believe I may have my first engine defect. Yesterday I removed the valve cover to discover "goo" surrounding the plug in the top of the head, inside the valve train area. I wiped it clean and waited. Today I looked, and sure enough, greenish coolant is leaking from around the plug. (I'm curious as to what is providing the pressure to force it up through the seam.) Dong some quick research I see the most plausible culprit is the head gasket leaking between cylinders 2 &3. Does anyone have any thoughts, experience or advice you could share? I'd love to be wrong, but at this point I think I'm looking at pulling the head and replacing the gasket. If I do this, how can avoid this in the future? Is there some technique I should be using? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 01:12:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB0643152 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 01:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.farmside.co.nz (mx1.farmside.co.nz [118.82.130.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61648403E2 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 01:09:31 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=118.82.148.217; Received: from AshleysPC (unverified [118.82.148.217]) by farmside.co.nz (mail) with ESMTP id 54647428-1739096 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:07:51 +1300 From: "ashleys" To: Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:07:48 +1300 Subject: [TR] Which E-Bay to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi!, I have a TR3B for sale,has been total rebuilt.Which e-bay should one use,ie UK,USA.or AU.If i use USA e-bay what charges would one have to pay,is there a set amount and how long does this last.Also if sold what is the selling fee a % of the amount??. Your help would be greatful. Regards Ashley ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 09:18:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98F84369F for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D2D43229 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVC00HBJ1JKXPA0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:57:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" References: <004501ceca90$c867cbb0$59376310$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:57:12 -0400 Thread-index: AQG5YopOnJ4N6EVkYt4reqtS17w6Z5ozg4dg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Randall and Tom Fansher - Issue resolved. The bucket clips were damaged. I was able to purchase replacements from Moss. extremely easy fix (even for me) see image at http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1150copy2.jpg for before/after. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question I understand how the outer trim ring attaches but my question is should the clip at the bottom be closed or open. In other words, is it open enough for the tab to push through and latch or is it closed and the tab has to be pushed below the clip and into the opening? Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 09:20:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5568A438E0 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDE143215 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 10so3918197vbe.19 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:00:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=r0HVvuV6xUiYqBRz+3JLwSKQUXTQ7GAhXPxnpWUD7YA=; b=AsiAjzh/5czr35YCBatghfmrXrfs44zbxG1yb0QxP1Vm8DfNI6hy2amPiT33LirqKs dZbSg4CYUp0n47Oadypd7PIGZ1tP+JqpfUz53R3ZHJfsoQoLe7mlVafQJAT9fNwjjtYB 4RY+NzifjIQcJLenmjT+8OJkZyWVklebSMsG1EYwsJ77th2V+vHTLnp3ZWIr3D7njzv6 zn3oN77CDC90I0IJhZztvcH+GcsVKQtp0PbwTh2Wa6AVsKqgOcsM2sAqBIhTzy2nHFYG sqdF5ztOQVA+J6ESGckvQQRW1JLdOwXPFQUcYLPvKw0T25OVEfpl+R+3v3t5MLIGrvtp l2EQ== xc15mr106677vdc.52.1382885562148; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <6DBA039B1381481A8C8F10FCD84ED480@AshleysPC> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:52:42 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: ashleys Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Which E-Bay to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ashley -- Have a look at: eBay Motors Fees It appears that you are in New Zealand -- generally cars may sell better where the steering wheel is on the correct side for local traffic but in a nice TR3B a RHD might be an interesting, even desirable feature to a US collector. Perhaps you want to list in the US for a wider market -- in that case you would do well to get some info on shipping to a West coast port (e.g. Long Beach). I bought a TR that was on a Pacific island and got a great deal because the seller hadn't bothered to explain to bidders how easily and cheaply shipping could be arranged. As a result of his oversight no one else bid on the car. Lastly, since you are asking a pretty basic eBay question perhaps you haven't sold much on that site. If so, and particularly if your feedback score is low -- you will need to put bidders at ease that you are for real. Also, if you lack eBay experience, you will want to be aware of the scams commonly attempted on eBay car sellers. I think I vaguely recall you and your car from one of the other TR lists. Best of luck with the sale, Geo On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM, ashleys wrote: > Hi!, > I have a TR3B for sale,has been total rebuilt.Which e-bay should one use,ie > UK,USA.or AU.If i use USA e-bay what charges would one have to pay,is > there a > set amount and how long does this last.Also if sold what is the selling > fee a > % of the amount??. > Your help would be greatful. > Regards > Ashley > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 10:16:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6A54390C for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379AB43132 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVC005YB3OWKNE0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:43:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: , "''Triumphs''" References: <004501ceca90$c867cbb0$59376310$@verizon.net> <004f01ced324$d1fc7670$75f56350$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:43:37 -0400 Thread-index: AQG5YopOnJ4N6EVkYt4reqtS17w6ZwJM0raKmiEqmtA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net oops - I'll have to figure out why that happened. the after shot is 'invisible'.... file looks ok on my computer but not on Photobucket. C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:57 AM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question Thanks to Randall and Tom Fansher - Issue resolved. The bucket clips were damaged. I was able to purchase replacements from Moss. extremely easy fix (even for me) see image at http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1150copy2.jpg for before/after. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question I understand how the outer trim ring attaches but my question is should the clip at the bottom be closed or open. In other words, is it open enough for the tab to push through and latch or is it closed and the tab has to be pushed below the clip and into the opening? Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 10:16:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9579F43D4D for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D6E42EF9 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVC00EPM3X32G80@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:48:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:48:32 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac7TK/cOLoEvD4p3RIG6k7w1qs6P/Q== Subject: [TR] FW: TR3A Headlamp question - corrected image Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1150copy3.jpg -----Original Message----- From: CFM-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:44 AM To: 'cfmtr3a@verizon.net'; ''Triumphs'' Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question oops - I'll have to figure out why that happened. the after shot is 'invisible'.... file looks ok on my computer but not on Photobucket. C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:57 AM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question Thanks to Randall and Tom Fansher - Issue resolved. The bucket clips were damaged. I was able to purchase replacements from Moss. extremely easy fix (even for me) see image at http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/100_1150copy2.jpg for before/after. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: ''Triumphs'' Subject: [TR] TR3A Headlamp question I understand how the outer trim ring attaches but my question is should the clip at the bottom be closed or open. In other words, is it open enough for the tab to push through and latch or is it closed and the tab has to be pushed below the clip and into the opening? Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 10:42:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DDF43906 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com (mail-yh0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC5543632 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:21:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f11so2381566yha.28 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:20:41 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=cPL9sHOkVZI7zWmlnsGV2Fi6udWJuHUpWI2SZSXUGTQ=; b=fFW14+yWN859bXhDIMGbtwhmPea+Ua0P4GNKyGTh+WTEtb3fbr5H734/Ffy3v3ORUj otNlsGemDh+tEA42QumYsl+hyzUDKfusCdhfXHB/x6rlxfqNQFHl5Or7ZZ+LV6ESQgcb kSVp0b4rzhF24bPw1OoUG4TDiTaL7lwhCxWc5jPj7TSkgUTOUy/rk/dTSAmD9jRMVCsF NrRUKD+u4kC6E1jKovcj1z4va91qz24q3+YC0WNw1Bl1rZhvtzzk+8Ms4aDCqgoOFvdj vinago16/EazcFQEEDziSVgDkIsfgMIQzK8az7WqB8eMfre1f08rbK8O9Pn7DJxCVm+Z VauQ== l8mr366473yhm.105.1382890841784; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.116] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e39sm26574980yhq.15.2013.10.27.09.20.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Triumph Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:20:24 -0400 To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] New tires for my TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found a local LBC shop nearby who can handle myTR3s wire wheels. So I have ordered 4 new 165HR15 Vredestein Sprint Classic Radial Tires. I have also ordered with 5 new inner-tubes, & wheel liners. I plan to use my best old tire for the spare. Any other advice?? Thanks John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 17:16:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448CA403E7 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ABD42FE3 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iNYW1m00A0lTkoCA5Nmxkj; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 22:46:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iNmw1m00C3NmwNy8QNmwB0; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 22:46:57 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 15:47:01 -0700 References: <20131024005836.GA9795@getdave.com> <526A7E5D.6090301@bright.net> To: Ted Schumacher s=q20121106; t=1382914017; bh=BCqRqAfTjxhPbLmeZXYnmJSkkUxdRZGuvKMlaSDTLy0=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=Ctb7ouYcrmAXldPlWWeL5wFt2q0yFWRo7zEqP1d5Mkqs8b2Ax+eEI/iC6jh79HULb sDIwe+rboHuHV4BA8k2LVeWwPuKEQXj8sW63mT6sVmEI/WTffei89W+05IQiXqw2L+ GCR+p42jWwoCzyzkR74kxrXdaKB4IkSqJG3HBEeylmwSQixxYfo8j4jP5N2FxvF5yP GDuqG3NtOlkFH3GkwlkWEjiT1ggJJGtkoIy7BTpYg0dHTa9Q4xGUBHkGYQP4eecXrY d4LLhPxoinDfiwaJbGaHcDnXq+jPw9OYD7L92LxrYlajxY3MkMeq9fNtPWq9Jpebb0 UHx8W6cCfkYZw== Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thatbs weird, I have a Ron Davis aluminum radiator on Casper (1957 TR3 for about 10 years now with no problems and no overheating b& hmmm Guess I am just lucky. On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Ted Schumacher wrote: > Hi List. With all the talk about aluminum radiators, one issue was missed. With the exception of TR7 & TR8, all the cars from Spit through TR6 have a radiator that is a "solid" mount. Aluminum, by nature, can not stand any twisting, flexing or "racking". All these cars are body/frame construction. Frames twist and flex and since radiator is hard mounted, so does the radiator. Another, and we feel better, choice is a modern re-core. Our radiator shop use a MaxCool core. Large diameter, oval shaped fins with lots of surface for heat dissipation. Ted > > > On 10/23/2013 8:58 PM, David Ljung Madison wrote: >> My TR3A is finally coming back together. I have it at Greg Solow's >> Engine Room in Santa Cruz (I believe he did TeriAnn's Triumph). >> >> They are saying that the radiator doesn't have lots of flow and >> are recommending switching to an aluminum radiator. Somewhere >> in storage I have a stock radiator in good shape that has the crank >> hole (my current one doesn't). I checked on ebay and the >> prices of aluminum radiators vary massively - from $250 to $700. >> Greg can get one that is good quality for ~$700. >> >> So my options: >> >> 1) Use the current radiator, and don't go on the race track >> 2) Use the storage radiator so I have the starter crank hole again, >> which is amusing and can come in handy. >> 3) Buy the $250 aluminum on ebay >> 4) Buy the $700 aluminum via Greg >> >> I know that if I use the radiator with the starter hole that >> I lose something like 5% of my cooling, though the radiator >> is probably cleaner than the original, so it's probably about >> the same. >> >> >> Does anyone kynow how to tell the difference between the >> radiators on ebay? Anyone buy one of these $250 aluminum radiators? >> >> And any thoughts on the difference between aluminum and stock? >> > > -- "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 27 18:22:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6264A443EA for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 18:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.138.91.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C803642F97 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2013 23:43:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.161] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2013 23:43:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2013 23:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 63864 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2013 23:43:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382917409; bh=ShKzZdvxl/FlK5KRTm1l3V2Rs9XlmAG911a/ctLe2Jw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jwTSwf7u/JEXFOwRez3M3ldLZ7gxbB87Tqr0vr6URoKJFg7sIIuh3/R78aBLuj4c7ECkNCQgloa/h1bbmUjpS2mGJ/a2gEgCq8sim6qU3cBULElHfpv0AuV9jqeCHfs7cl6qXHEbU8ZSp1ICTrSpNwGXBErOtH4pJvGrNnpxukg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1C3x5D15QVlOj1ZoN/RY33zEIqRP+6Nf2ZH3KXQH7cwwOrXtL4KHMzKvt5q516BoIt1IDQrd1If/AT5gWunXDe038i1aPO2H8WpWXR14dk1d/rSYMFdzZvp4O6HYD5qWe80A0XTZqaaC5kfQEhf0CTUBzR+smzVEusDYiHiBqIA=; JxAygPr6xZpoLlXdRGXIn43ZCmuMompX0494OAmMbjsfFUghFwMpyzo1xcK3 WZVMuWXVgkOVK29mTMmp3NmQx96f41aipMJj9aTCnZPpDAoHJ5TWsytSlMRx yQVeFjdgu4syjPZMGIiMPWms0_JkRa3QUK4hygai9AZL8tKdeXcnIwFBVUbP caY4t9Yn8r2RWn4oxDVJzTcWrXUxNjIacfFUUH.7JV_6gbU5hfM5pKwJjL3T RLjMejoGX1peOfbBDlXkfZDnHQLKDHJdUzM579HhU6MI3YoHAjfIj9hzqKmK 6E2IY4P_jAQC9nl0654Gsl6.Km1Hw4aRkJAvpWI4lJjc0Md8udLGxOdw70pT KlK2DJkiAQ4Tyb1ohGRCTYIUZ6PpSO.gL53STZI36Rp6FNy57NzQgPd7Q5Fd eZpkdwUAV.aq1PYcQ6V6OefmEQRZNSVCdES3bcp6YORklyFLNNQJZAdw9fci LNMSqr7XKoSZsDDjkMbVu7YuSkyO.xPv_9UgZSqItq8LLfsdPo5_zCxyf8yt AVFxkBuZTALzfuTzY12IEonMoqQa3Xy1jFwyFx9XvXvGiMGmLngLnmnxDBlD BBGKLE_ODfkwXRJoOnwJc.i1TTl9UY9beudR0TlssMO3NMh7MMXTWSO1_kg1 ht7NcmAJQnL7mWmIqy1_7hs9.GVEhqgpJj70qT3wbaAmAB3wS8xug7q.zhB_ dCuqOPSg3wMKMOE_WSmkW1F.Yrw3VkgsCQOU7 Received: from [166.137.156.22] by web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:43:29 PDT VXNlIHRoZSBzaXRlIGZvciB0aGUgY291bnRyeSB5b3UgYXJlIGluIHVubGVzcyB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byB0YXJnZXQgYW5vdGhlciBtYXJrZXQuwqDCoCBQcmljaW5nIHZhcmllcyB3aWxkbHkgc28ganVzdCByZWZlciB0byB0aGUgcHJpY2luZyBpbmZvIG9uIHRoZSBlYmF5IHNpdGUuCgpDaGFkIGluIFR1bHNhCgpTZW50IGZyb20gWWFob28gTWFpbCBvbiBBbmRyb2lkCgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:43:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , ashleys Subject: Re: [TR] Which E-Bay to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Use the site for the country you are in unless you want to target another market. Pricing varies wildly so just refer to the pricing info on the ebay site. 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[24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm17492677obg.13.2013.10.27.18.01.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Oct 2013 18:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 18:01:26 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1382917409.63856.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Which E-Bay to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/27/13, 4:43 PM, Chad wrote: > Use the site for the country you are in unless you want to target another > market. Pricing varies wildly so just refer to the pricing info on the ebay > site. When you set up the ad it will ask which parts of the country should be able to see the ad. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 11:28:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB7944445 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20AF4438C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ieo91m00E0x6nqcAEgtimK; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:53:42 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id igti1m0072yr1eL8YgtiXe; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:53:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:53:42 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net, british-cars@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1382979222; bh=XWoU+5f5HdbMXiTarWU0mOnntJQrtl0bei65mV2Gx4w=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=S202xUJCpQqMeZoaN5yYGSolDtbeROallY49Lx30M0sBmuqwjYNwu+bR8ZPvp9Gw7 YlvOs1KsS1Pv7XbYs+dKXyo8w/ciisOw9TxUhKHIfbXyxxU1U/LvlAu9Z0UYFmEFPA ucZqUJRHyMDqd+hVgvszpqDU4ySUl8VB/G2ZLT80SMkeXBpwMZMOii2tK85TqMqupd DKk80PyjUqxS2CfgoQIkmGyA9hf7kECtarozmoBC158K93XBpbgPQgYTi3FHByczGN zxwa1WX2p9ryz1dyXd5zhPVgFbKWpm0j7obp1iL7LsOvKLpXj4VHLCmttydgQEBk7G a4anoBFLPXSYg== Subject: [TR] Great ad for Spitfire in western Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://eauclaire.craigslist.org/cto/4154990742.html Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 12:05:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86873444D6 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB874441F for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:28:43 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1382981246; x=1383586046; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=JyoHhhXWuVYeOIx1SE7MxlmFaBodcAPh6fv8yHKnM4g=; b=1vu 9j3JDrMB20kvtY1T5C/qzSBjmLndUXmzd+2Xl1eAr4ryYEGLt0OGX6xB2G/HqOHm 6jcMqGWVBizi+W5GjdBw7YXHd9tSsPQ58MQlW+3XwAgOkaXroHi61FQkgmz+TXA1 5zmj1D076QRmOKBn6Nvmm+xUouzZGiKo3sRGlhcQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=S1PptlgGD9/2SwIQM6eU2RKzHZMp/L8qjo98IvR2kcY22Tm91gOmgKEA7g4Y mXRejTxrheWV/sVflCssxvKSb+IFbSu6rWuvf1qdH1ir3us+sg9jkfYb1 /dctxb8i2/Te2L46RTCDnWlrUtKfSCJU+3Z9dTuh6urn/F/gHtw5vc=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 07-md50000143600.msg for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:27:25 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:31:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago, I had all four of my TR6's original steel wheels blasted, trued and then powder-coated. Now our lousy roads in Quebec have bent a couple a bit out of true and yet again my poor car has the dreaded Triumph Shakes. Sadly, the Boston shop that did the original truing seems to have vanished other than some youtube videos. I really like the look of the originals and do not want to switch to alloy. For some reason, the TR6 wheel is almost the only component not being produced aftermarket. NOS wheels appear to be made from the purest form of unobtainium. Is there any steel wheel out there that looks similar to the TR6 original and can accept the trim rings? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 12:16:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33AB4441F for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AA842EEA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id z12so6977205wgg.0 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=uC3HhaSLq46EgXIMEm2vDBpgpEF9Zrh8It5+NOrRsvY=; b=zsgP8hofb4FJn3FFfttt5WtjpwVQO4MzGZ3AXBYBck3+3p1pMqQspVqSrvTLMiGnPl GsKbXpxnvcJ3qPMqKozQnvMIMf3o4Cqbj6fYbeS/xmAQv2+Vll7qPI+Gj2G84ybTIqU3 yLxlwyPLmM9bCDxpgwVJ4M35Y7fb6kgMfroRx0qFBWYgWqDWpiTD4Aq8WS/n1o3AJF+p N4z/gH3bhxenJQS7zj5q2FrzNlblNDRdh0ncRjC+7cmNmSFkG3raU+NEDRK2xU6C+j9h GrCVHOmrDFoeHaskOfyv2uwS9/H6wtJFqNUi7vXb8Wv/1kIekVu8f4kAOlPikVw/e7ny egtg== ez13mr10189569wid.49.1382981853045; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:37:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <526DB766.7000708@gmail.com> <163250348.143370.1382979222317.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:37:12 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Great ad for Spitfire in western Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, a good ad. Maybe not quite so original, but still entertaining... http://enid.craigslist.org/cto/4119280944.html%3C/div%3E On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM, wrote: > http://eauclaire.craigslist.org/cto/4154990742.html > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 13:41:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E52544493 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F3344380 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w6so3277518lbh.27 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:37:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Cx8F0hSS+JeQgSh01VZyGcXDqb0EoRUBorz6lSCAt4A=; b=KyVn1zCk0O46CCG67RFI+TF26YwxAgytYZDB0mFoALrdMj8alwld9kKU+4mu1n81Sy jvvT3lNBt1rXdzJlj13vxyGUDMwodwaBI2/xtHmaxKRAYz9Y1acXtmf1QGbnDigppGPB 7VWvW46rNzGCKTpkEWwDA74IFyDIyMA3KNXLKSQ62gdsEzoR2Wy1XwUbr306n07mSqng eyU9zoMUwAsXbC5i/KCa+B5nOI53mp40PymY+ZuUYWuPrznQ9UoC1lHafEaakWhF+P1t aEF1mw6dGWw86yHfnjYUuMrwZcp9q5xqu+mgar9L/G9gYdvSh/kSrHnnUn82/yGmu2Pi XUDA== f17mr2054308lbh.45.1382984960538; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.126.37 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:29:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <526DB766.7000708@gmail.com> <7e64ee3d.1ced403.8a5e0e97.35@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:29:20 -0400 From: Larry Griffin To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, I believe Moss Motors now has them in stock for the 1970-76 years, part # 454-715 at $239.95 each. Thanks, Larry 71 TR6 On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Mark Hooper wrote: > Years ago, I had all four of my TR6's original steel wheels blasted, trued > and > then powder-coated. Now our lousy roads in Quebec have bent a couple a bit > out > of true and yet again my poor car has the dreaded Triumph Shakes. Sadly, > the > Boston shop that did the original truing seems to have vanished other than > some youtube videos. > > I really like the look of the originals and do not want to switch to alloy. > For some reason, the TR6 wheel is almost the only component not being > produced > aftermarket. NOS wheels appear to be made from the purest form of > unobtainium. > Is there any steel wheel out there that looks similar to the TR6 original > and > can accept the trim rings? > > Mark Hooper > 1972 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/larrygriffin.nc@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 14:09:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA62435C2 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B1842FE5 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2013 19:18:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2013 18:38:01 -0000 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2013 18:37:45 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.64] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2013 18:37:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2013 18:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 53901 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2013 18:37:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382985465; bh=LC4tpSl1bQFVPtOeasahOZoek6xd5PdWsJCxoIgyymc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Sz5mIOiPmMb8avtHZbLGNCxmhj6uixuOnHtSMvgVBa3i1tEd6ZsSjO1NlSX2rO2p1fqI7LEki+svErNaxwYAxrvH1KzkMx0Ol6PgbNXJDiSczkg6LIwhrZryuW2mtj3YuRSQLo8DTXDhz4B02KJ2me75t4NhiPifZ5O1XpL/OG4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PlEluyWwIHa1yGkh2AHC6Ht9YeFBucYEforKpQMW2oVX7zdrZmsSFxOAFS89R6CXn0D9rX4IBNoW6eXPU0niHxmyuKeUFNDd80ZGiESbHxBpsCy0FhLViGM+ytZTmiy/JA3v5iQftkO5fLJa8f386dsxScGPy3asEYmgy01zUXc=; e4FABMtqFEoq0_YHIoJNZ5ZVl.iDc7JoVEVJZOdeQ9BdkMDAkNpqmzY9BOEy MXWbY8DW5Cba2vAMICTl0rtz0Yo_tYdMlJqqJVrVcWF5J8FiMET.pqCsKByK eYUHmxCuQCrqSpe9GP3xwOmio2pWlUFiURk5ogj2SDQqZQOwwyC.7CqnX8_t AIv_sKqWLU9DawuQbX9U7VQ6Cr_CG_3Z59__o2EkB60.Rw2hxT.ThU9HKsiJ .VXmCIG5erT9JJ_XmS2lotYZwyN.0j5sJ56_.WLdQdNBE607Y4mHcewz0hoT CGTjFcgCVPh_V3bkafGjyqQ1crLpIopvUW1mDX6jBCYawMA0nPrLLJ54JBfH eZtMTmrOZ0I.pYukHboJQqAt3Lwb.ZqHOl4sGxhPzjuxCS.IzDmDvDXczPzx OhdpKAEstLJclSQFaCJdOCvcjyND2Hy5G5.5.50YtwejUE2.XJ83_4DOB4Bv TWglvrW0Bk8pUyC6c7B8499qjXfvzOzR0FiFyLuzdwh49VHIHjgi.lj95Hq7 KYFPBRFTnTDj2hF5dgxpMrszKmQ99wwU- Received: from [2.124.180.211] by web171906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:37:45 GMT SGksIE1hcmsKwqAKQSBxdWljayBjaGVjayBvZiBNci4gUmltbWVyJ3Mgd2Vic2l0ZSBpbiB0aGUgVUsgaW5kaWNhdGVzIHRoZSBUUjYgZmFjdG9yeSBpc3N1ZSBzdGVlbCB3aGVlbCBpcyBhdmFpbGFibGUuIFRoYXQncyB0aGUgZ29vZCBuZXdzLiBUaGUgbm90IHNvIGdvb2QgbmV3cyBpcyB0aGV5IGNvc3QgYWJvdXQgVVMkMjAwIGVhY2ggcGx1cyBzaGlwcGluZy4gTkZJCgpKb25tYWMKCkZyb206IE1hcmsgSG9vcGVyIDxtaG9vcGVyQGluZGllZmlsbW5ldC5jb20.Cj5UbzogIid0cml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWEBMAEBAQE- References: <526DB766.7000708@gmail.com> <7e64ee3d.1ced403.8a5e0e97.35@indiefilmnet.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:37:45 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: "mhooper@indiefilmnet.com" , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Mark A quick check of Mr. Rimmer's website in the UK indicates the TR6 factory issue steel wheel is available. That's the good news. The not so good news is they cost about US$200 each plus shipping. NFI Jonmac From: Mark Hooper >To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" >Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013, 17:31 >Subject: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels > > >Years ago, I had all four of my TR6's original steel wheels blasted, trued and >then powder-coated. Now our lousy roads in Quebec have bent a couple a bit out >of true and yet again my poor car has the dreaded Triumph Shakes. Sadly, the >Boston shop that did the original truing seems to have vanished other than >some youtube videos. > >I really like the look of the originals and do not want to switch to alloy. >For some reason, the TR6 wheel is almost the only component not being produced >aftermarket. NOS wheels appear to be made from the purest form of unobtainium. >Is there any steel wheel out there that looks similar to the TR6 original and >can accept the trim rings? > >Mark Hooper >1972 TR6 > > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 14:40:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607FF444F6 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B85242FC0 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:47:18 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1382989161; x=1383593961; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Reply-To; bh=t3OdVbkpZFkK sDCULI/bsHLecE9v1ryylqqV+BAM8pk=; b=ro125U6gvmfZOeu6ELBB8JF9h2Zu mYiKcTmMcOdKbNuc0GbVYEC9P/kpJXfsHkNPzObdrdu5SZ1vGg74PKD07HE4iudW L0iq+KMJGibTWK/OMmXIPIE0gOLY6zoOJSQL5huU51iq84m1/haze0SAzyJ3MH0r cEKth/O4+LcJ75k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=U8KKwy4YJqhYLk6NKC6mIY0LbmyZgUojUI6sGwwiJFBBaGZYGAU43ypPqO9B NhH8zJ5tnoIwhJdkHHcEIjPPxlVtDIXWkyqNTcXeAxRTEAHefFFGU7WHN 9E/qXbPXHUCFLkeFs/JS0WyxuQbEeaKMFwfXUYNY+FWJLohX0MePX4=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 31-md50000143370.msg for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:39:20 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:43:00 -0400 From: Mark Hooper To: 'John Macartney' , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John: Thanks; I see that I hit the send too fast. It seems that there are some listed with the major suppliers as I am informed by you and other vigilant list members. I checked rimmerbros this morning and I thought it was showing "no longer available" so I did not enquire further. Still, although expensive, it is good news to me. Time to order a rim or two for the winter restoring project. Now to figure out how to match the powder coating I had done by a sadly departed list member. Cheers, Mark From: John Macartney [mailto:flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: October-28-13 2:38 PM To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com; 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Hi, Mark A quick check of Mr. Rimmer's website in the UK indicates the TR6 factory issue steel wheel is available. That's the good news. The not so good news is they cost about US$200 each plus shipping. NFI Jonmac From: Mark Hooper To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013, 17:31 Subject: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Years ago, I had all four of my TR6's original steel wheels blasted, trued and then powder-coated. Now our lousy roads in Quebec have bent a couple a bit out of true and yet again my poor car has the dreaded Triumph Shakes. Sadly, the Boston shop that did the original truing seems to have vanished other than some youtube videos. I really like the look of the originals and do not want to switch to alloy. For some reason, the TR6 wheel is almost the only component not being produced aftermarket. NOS wheels appear to be made from the purest form of unobtainium. Is there any steel wheel out there that looks similar to the TR6 original and can accept the trim rings? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 28 16:05:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FB144656 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail222c25.carrierzone.com (mail222c25.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6370A44596 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail222c25-1785.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9SKoElx005491; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:50:15 +0000 Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:50:52 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:50:52 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: "mhooper@indiefilmnet.com" , "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Thread-Topic: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Thread-Index: AQHO1AjO4hkJdpg8VE2sxr0SHZGr0JoKlfkw Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:50:51 +0000 References: <526DB766.7000708@gmail.com> <7e64ee3d.1ced403.8a5e0e97.35@indiefilmnet.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.1.37] a=6ph15Ur4J2gA:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=JOnvdvf4AAAA:8 a=rB6C2IiIwAcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6VgHB8F89dttY1DLGTMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=v2V8PyU7F8UA:10 a=zhMRcyEhnvUA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=jHqhL58HGh8A:10 a=Nm9byy9tYkqJj7GL:21 a=Kd4CwQsCkrMnVCk_:21 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, I have a good set of steel wheels that I took off my 72 when I got the aluminum wheels that I would be willing to sell but not sure how much of a problem it would be to get them to Canada. I am in north Carolina. Ronald Olds Cell (630) 240-0818 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, dissemination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Hooper Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:31 PM To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: [TR] TR6 Steel wheels Years ago, I had all four of my TR6's original steel wheels blasted, trued and then powder-coated. Now our lousy roads in Quebec have bent a couple a bit out of true and yet again my poor car has the dreaded Triumph Shakes. Sadly, the Boston shop that did the original truing seems to have vanished other than some youtube videos. I really like the look of the originals and do not want to switch to alloy. For some reason, the TR6 wheel is almost the only component not being produced aftermarket. NOS wheels appear to be made from the purest form of unobtainium. Is there any steel wheel out there that looks similar to the TR6 original and can accept the trim rings? Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rolds@plausa.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 29 04:15:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F1B42F0D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 04:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E356E4032C for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 04:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2013 10:05:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2013 10:05:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2013 10:05:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 85908 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2013 10:05:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383041146; bh=g5GcrhvOZeyBsETYVTSOn33MKbhgPfdxwG2c+NvCiYU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pa7GiQWe93RxmqwviQMPpzU+IEdzhcqV4gIlMq1G0+ZT1XOHv/AGSOZxxG4HRXPQ1n3qZcNwpuGXt2labSbQaAyRhOcHJvcOtwrriQIgEwIolsXkql5FOmvLkkCzBUdtxXfDqHRN81iUM8tV/1NRD/Vc8vwVa6RL6OBLrbzLZ00= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FYzqV8tr+4gxRxx4g2B5pXpKHfqE5+rKSUaPZmVFYtdqrV4wmBIoNVI0KbAVMF1YsOkI66iF6AgXo+u2Gcbn66vJLE5o+qYOHqfCwein/1+RNxVuTJG6QUoY7YF4JZ0qagSU1JhzVBaO3asJ8jbRLE9ZhdzxV6iNe6kXyBam6vQ=; Ho9XW68mtgHnUlA4229ZQ369E3zB4O4U3RKCHf_PyBrcnqZ2M3oLqcc5RdWv 8Y9qOmaPpIL09QJa.x.J0qoiq5MWkqM8DhOTzopEH4wr8YdlF6pLZwZK.BkQ mkaQ.eJmwqy.6qs6O1O8SiFaL8gj71WbK8YVfjF.4ulJ8vLRreGdFTPU625l 2zsEcMmcjqaG9kjBGmoUlHnpl3cnNMStl7XHVcMuwrCC0_qJPWvOUYKcQPy9 fAc_59mavFDJWv3CAPdQQIPgdNSLD9L2RYElJGEu68J3EZxmHdHjVrDkhiyk QagAHadtoAWbCSShBPcfkGZhPKmXx5AeGkiptg9ZZ6CFDS0rAlzgzlaxfiY9 6wiOLBkJdW_Y7KsNwT4YJg83CTOy9s_jHXrjDT0H6V_PAvmSnRvplxqekrbQ vmY1GN.SvVAih.F3UEcBrXvA8lXpg_jcV13YcmRp88y_oC5VP7BCNHGUolr0 V Received: from [2.124.180.211] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:05:46 GMT Rm9yIHRob3NlIGZldyBsaXN0ZXJzIHdobyBzYWxseSBmb3J0aCBhY3Jvc3MgdGhlIEF0bGFudGljIGVhY2ggeWVhciBmb3IgVHJpdW1waCBTcGFyZXMgRGF5IGF0IFN0b25lbGVpZ2ggUGFyay4gVGhlIG5leHQgZXZlbnQgaXMgU3VuZGF5IDJuZCBNYXJjaCAyMDE0IGFuZCBJJ3ZlIGp1c3QgcmVhZCB0aGF0IGZyb20gbmV4dCB5ZWFyLCB0aGUgZGF5IGlzIHRvIGJlIGR1YWxsZWQgZm9yIE1HIGFuZCBUcml1bXBoIGluc3RlYWQgb2YgaG9sZGluZyBpdCBvbiBjb25zZWN1dGl2ZSB3ZWVrZW5kcy4KCkpvbm1hYwEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:05:46 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Triumph Spares Day, UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For those few listers who sally forth across the Atlantic each year for Triumph Spares Day at Stoneleigh Park. The next event is Sunday 2nd March 2014 and I've just read that from next year, the day is to be dualled for MG and Triumph instead of holding it on consecutive weekends. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 29 14:48:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8B943548 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0467A4310D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id j8i41m00G2QmmGk018i6SE; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:42:13 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:40:46 -0500 Subject: [TR] performance tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net checked tire rack and discount tire; neither seems to have the really sticky 14b tires Ibm looking for. the guy at tire rack says they are not made anymore? anyone have a recommendation? Ibm replacing 185/70 R14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 29 17:00:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0510B43566 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178994309D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j9wd1m0060ldTLk56AyP4V; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:58:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([98.236.169.92]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jAyP1m00H1zxQSA01AyPPD; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:58:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 18:58:24 -0400 From: Pat Ledford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1383087503; bh=GZovs9JB87/yWnYnCidTvLy4ekVNviJ/2OzyhO/Ph/Q=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=juYVeAK+vTSu4UEd6P2vlwkMVZ0LpkBhnmWaN/VAfhbWHmohTrfIkYSF8Xg3fGB9t lYrPh8FmwhgGhpkQhjH/MsYzl5yq6xaa2BfDdIxAaijsMkjaNBoA8H9CQ+Vb5vAj75 hSvvFGRfVfpaCSFIuqA2zA/WJrxa7B2g5dXuuR+92TqjtWuzcRLbsgryKQxLQrJ0oD ueIc423diZNIksVBdBbQghy3uqCAcEabHIrkelFdwfGZnfnLoZQgbNVJ2ShG3zrI7a +/wAkFRvvLaBOsQA5ETwitZI++So3QwUPZ+a8MdRnvzyeSjgkHCyW85QlMLQFYABHH 02bImdGJcBLUw== Subject: Re: [TR] performance tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try online tires then have 205 60 14's http://www.onlinetires.com/user/vehicle/tires/allbrands.html On 10/29/2013 4:40 PM, Dave wrote: > checked tire rack and discount tire; neither seems to have the really sticky > 14b tires Ibm looking for. the guy at tire rack says they are not made > anymore? > > anyone have a recommendation? > > Ibm replacing 185/70 R14 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pat.l@comcast.net > -- Pat Ledford 1980 TR7 30th Anniversary Editon 1975 TR6 Restoration in Process ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 29 19:48:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C616437BB for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5820243731 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:47:53 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=yxkq5vFK5twA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=TepCazN-n0gIKof9LHgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Qe2bMkk3ccMA:10 a=tej1I7eXT4UA:10 a=SGejG-997Fj2_D-JT7oA:9 a=BNpgQfipPfGLTZxM:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50502] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id BC/22-05632-5F460725; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:46:29 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:53:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody have any suggestions/experience installing 3-point seat belts in a TR4A? I am at that point and there seems to be several choices. I am wondering where I would mount the upper portion? Thanks, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS Almost done,, well almost driveable they are never done. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 29 20:56:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4051437B8 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6053143731 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:61077] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5A/00-02506-4F370725; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 02:50:28 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Dave Connitt" , References: <18894FB2F2D04D5A8DB208EAF3E7E54B@DaveLaptop> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:50:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR250 and 6 mounted the lap belt on the top of the wheel well behind the seats, I don't know what kind of bracing or reinforcement they may have used underneath. The location is not ideal in my opinion, as it has to come up and around the seat, and, at least on me, tends to slide off my shoulder since not coming from point higher than my shoulder, it is actually kind of a pain, especially with the top down, as it sort or has to squeeze between the seat and the convertible top or boot cover. If you know someone who has a TR6 I would ask to take a look at the setup in one of those as the inner tub is laid out the same. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 06:00:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D5342FC3 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803A442F66 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 05:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 552C37000413F for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DA2B0E000089 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:56:21 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383134182; bh=cnVU8aMEx34fLJtZ888t2mMWlOzE63uHvQpnt7+AjBw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N/rliDJN6my5leNEwzaGprG6sqfSfH0gaUdv+UhtYT2hahAg0ABHLWrTRjK9b/TX1 y61sBmFflQzVDKUWNVi6dyqXoLJwV1TKfIa5f5P2ORXDFyzh1IEAMqGdHuq7B20elk KJnnapoZ/7uGF0cVQSmEPr2tUR/+G6AquRI6IpXM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29485270f3e53c5f Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As was suggested, follow the example of the TR6. Specifically, a late model TR6 which was fitted with seat belt retractors and a guide loop mounted high on the rear wheel well with the retractor that mounds directly below that. I retrofitted a set of late belts in my early TR6 by mounting the retractor using a stack of increasing diameter washers ending with a fender washer that is some three inches in diameter. I figure the amount of tension needed to pull that through the sheetmetal would probably take my shoulder off first. On a TR4 I would mount the guide loop in a similar fashion. Moss has a set of aftermarket belts with retractors that work well. My only complaint is that they are "rate sensitive" and will lock up if you pull them out too fast with buckling up. And they don't fit the plastic receivers. :-( Dave In a message dated 10/29/2013 8:46:36 PM Central Daylight Time, dconnitt@fuse.net writes: > Anybody have any suggestions/experience installing 3-point seat belts in > a > TR4A? I am at that point and there seems to be several choices. I am > wondering > where I would mount the upper portion? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 06:53:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA39436A2 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9311E42FB0 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:32:52 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:32:52 -0500 References: <18894FB2F2D04D5A8DB208EAF3E7E54B@DaveLaptop> To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I put mounted mine just above the rear wheel wells, not on the wells themselves. My only complaint is having to ensure the chest strap is clear of the hood frame's bars. Kind of wishing I would have stayed with the two point belts, but that chest strap offers some additional peace of mind. Only need it once!! On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Anybody have any suggestions/experience installing 3-point seat belts in a > TR4A? I am at that point and there seems to be several choices. I am wondering > where I would mount the upper portion? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > Almost done,, well almost driveable they are never done. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 09:09:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12841436AD for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4A840410 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 15:05:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.242] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 15:05:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 15:05:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383145512; bh=hyhLp3WEbjgOb2/jsk5jVRPkHCsNdgaLE5egrLv0m4M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=zewuI+04aQRlMsWQGwUJWu5ZrFQtGqp18RM+wWRCC7uWUCwnimVEdi55G19KD1Sc3e6i2IcS/hH3rvM99ohXzLKtEotmWD/LxRDTtfWf6P28fLjSgyIT7NGTUGqX+fnNsqBbgCiKdCgQsWuLPYS8eLva6qG/owxtmbl8kKcRx/I= 8e0rqD7NqBv4I7t07gbYPgL_a0uoM8GAGr49JLSvqiI7lSkITHgQDWQe2JLy _hQc5OnCm1ce4TjOFBfSZ2da.e1gpt0CNMDoaa_7NHlrtiOntifamkolM.tJ 2VbI16noDfDN.oTWSlWi1FXYr1ZVizsxJDB7AzcubzgbCzWMTzOnDHNrrfHN .EizuKJYIoCLsnchvVyRo_2tJaGVHm7yhmwoYM.Ajv8gpiW0n_.w573LnkN2 lm1nhAED04__EzsQ6nWIjfVW4YfZ7pImQAKdRrgAFybUrWsTUH53HUYjBeUu jOEZOja0hfn5WZfmprre1Kiq6Bp0ylMYpilzbz4C_aapgIIraoWPtpPFqLOF Ik_uFyLv6HqGb5uoF3iJz3CAbqW4l0LMP4eLGtKRq8AJ.G.Zof04j.ukK5Yl xnoFgxYVx7rpfK7dr1EZ3Xv7RJcFgeYPdEp7VDyzHXAly5Ff5zWnJ4uoeVR9 gr9n_RI3BQSKxx487ps.lHsv4VmyiNjvzeahUJqQH.CWIsmiwkplFZsG56EQ a58o37xBWhgSMYZPjwvM7HCBSlpEtUFhU5vKsGKyJv_cMPTYI1dLgq86T4FO JitvsumGV69pZ47QOpgWeDFY2oCq.KMPZdSN2yCccaMqD2VWnoQ.PU9Jiy2J bM4GMS_.9C3PWgA8f.M2YX6jgx6TCB7n4HlskHho6xxe1y1dlZpvPV0P5eEG 6o0Fv75Xw smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2013 15:05:12 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Dave'" , References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:06:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7U6BA5W+Swh85WSdmU72yIgYsgKAAmKKPQ Subject: Re: [TR] performance tires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try SascoSports, www.sascosports.com, they took real good care of us at the track last week. Not cheap by any means but I feel certain they could meet your 'sticky' requirements. NFI, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:41 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] performance tires checked tire rack and discount tire; neither seems to have the really sticky 14b tires Ibm looking for. the guy at tire rack says they are not made anymore? anyone have a recommendation? Ibm replacing 185/70 R14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:00:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F2F438A5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D95437F8 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 16:57:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383152220; bh=omLBrwCnuc5NTxGQpd2fDPRER2dT1adk3mYveBOUje0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=ji8DA2F2F1pMZzqyFfrXhawAsiofP6SLdpDZry+o7lLQjJpThp6tudmDrA9Lze91WWGXqeAO4RG6OSJ9JOyBjD5BHQnhxLeMlGJdd3BgPN9tPhCjT7dNt3tY2YAykS0wqbykAheM/LRLyAYvsRGaPOQovwlrLRKqBghPERu8JCo= a_zr2kmfQlSdevS7AAWEdeXZaQYU0HYVDBNOdVSzELOrDMRPBq_WtR8aNhuS 8Z34W6oSTXkvl0_Pz6CtMsGkEtuAWkmyAihXaGfn0LxeqWwjOQ2FooWx1MKR 9iIhAwoWAoIa9vjPTjQMX5dHztSIDlv8geWL.Hl4goU_8lcph2xLfYkdOAlr nhDRb80EWGjBYJqn9NhHcGjWt90yDN06ch2kF0IQKb7ncBttpFJgizws4aQH Ac8YMFClbQILnIWO8SQdlQ52EehSVxs_0wo2qh7hf_cR0aA6p.a_7.ggpzr. IkjzuswWg_wR5zo_gjp5ALq8Agk4Z275jYUrQjHmF6jZ0973i1zp1crpEkss yAdWddKd6KA24_agb5EKxxqqc9ujB6GYyQPGHdx0505gaDYD.YrZsGC9b0ma 0BAM_B.XpiPuxdlesTYPdIk1TP8PkKuGAhitvIozemnLoox_affIynFgUZnz j3pJBRlQ1CGucOp6iuADcoa.4SgLPicu51FvPGndqJRvZkHZRmthe2YInkXv ru3x.nLqEyixJKRTJTT.0MW8QNMspE4bCMA2bRQgeS_gSkxNvVp70PkHNGfF RwLNIR986pmcbHsTmziw5pmj4qVhQWg-- smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2013 16:57:00 +0000 UTC From: To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:57:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7VkS30jhWQ82iHQzyPJ6hMHESkQA== Subject: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Valued List, Drove and parked the TR3A two weeks ago, fun drive, no problems or unusual sounds. Got in yesterday and the clutch will not release. Pedal feels about 10% softer than usual, slave cylinder is operating the release arm but no disengagement. New Disk/PPplate/TO bearing just 6 months ago, all have performed as expected until today. Any suggestions are always appreciated. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:11:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11EF438A5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB84C43857 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:11:21 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=kOJKwWNoaR1/uFW5I/13nOd8Uz+YY7YhDlYkzeP/s1ghUJSmzvvZrUmLR5Kcx2xd; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VbZHG-0005fQ-Ii for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:09:54 -0400 Received: from 198.203.181.181 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:09:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:09:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roger Elliott To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I saw a TR4 or TR6 that had installed the retractors down in front of the wheel wells, clear down on the vertical panel right behind the seats. The owner was pretty happy with the way it works. It has the advantage of not taking up space on the shelf behind the seat. Not sure if it interferes with seat travel. The loop was at the top of the wheel well. Roger -----Original Message----- >From: Dave1massey@cs.com >Sent: Oct 30, 2013 6:56 AM >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A > >As was suggested, follow the example of the TR6. Specifically, a late >model TR6 which was fitted with seat belt retractors and a guide loop mounted >high on the rear wheel well with the retractor that mounds directly below >that. I retrofitted a set of late belts in my early TR6 by mounting the >retractor using a stack of increasing diameter washers ending with a fender washer >that is some three inches in diameter. I figure the amount of tension >needed to pull that through the sheetmetal would probably take my shoulder off >first. On a TR4 I would mount the guide loop in a similar fashion. > >Moss has a set of aftermarket belts with retractors that work well. My >only complaint is that they are "rate sensitive" and will lock up if you pull >them out too fast with buckling up. And they don't fit the plastic >receivers. :-( > >Dave > >In a message dated 10/29/2013 8:46:36 PM Central Daylight Time, >dconnitt@fuse.net writes: >> Anybody have any suggestions/experience installing 3-point seat belts in >> a >> TR4A? I am at that point and there seems to be several choices. I am >> wondering >> where I would mount the upper portion? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:16:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1B2442C9 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB08643857 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:15:46 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=fqZfJdc9ORcA:10 a=wWikmNhFZh8A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=lHCMjjs3TskA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=zUfupTM5AAAA:8 a=DxTY7jaKc8kSARSKWUsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:36894] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6B/1E-00725-A6E31725; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:14:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:14:42 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: wbeech@flash.net, triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, The clutch disc may be stuck to the flywheel. I have this problem on my TR6 after a long winter nap. In order to free the disc from its stuck condition, I put the transmission in 4th gear and with my left leg, rock the car back and forth while depressing the clutch with my right. Works every time. Wouldnt hurt to give it a try. The only thing else I can think of is that the fork pin is broken. That will require transmission removal. Bob On 10/30/2013 12:57 PM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > Dear Valued List, > > Drove and parked the TR3A two weeks ago, fun drive, no problems or unusual > sounds. Got in yesterday and the clutch will not release. > > Pedal feels about 10% softer than usual, slave cylinder is operating the > release arm but no disengagement. New Disk/PPplate/TO bearing just 6 months > ago, all have performed as expected until today. > > Any suggestions are always appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:36:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895EF43857 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16176437D6 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131030173337.WRQS6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11>; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:33:37 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id jVZc1m00b1UBpzb05VZcZK; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:33:37 -0400 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=wWikmNhFZh8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=lHCMjjs3TskA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=zUfupTM5AAAA:8 a=MdMB_c6VWI7APMp7MYAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T8dgJqO1V8cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=3raQetnTdnNEqQbk:21 a=_fCD3SCjaulUbuXG:21 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: , References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:33:34 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFl2m4sIdO4xAHlqcyh34804tOqZZrfdkCA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any chance that there was fluid loss in the hydraulic system which would prevent the slave cylinder from travelling its full stroke? I can't believe that the clutch disk would rust/set against the flywheel so quickly. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:58 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Dear Valued List, Drove and parked the TR3A two weeks ago, fun drive, no problems or unusual sounds. Got in yesterday and the clutch will not release. Pedal feels about 10% softer than usual, slave cylinder is operating the release arm but no disengagement. New Disk/PPplate/TO bearing just 6 months ago, all have performed as expected until today. Any suggestions are always appreciated. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:16:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14A444394 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F365436FC for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 18:14:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.156] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 18:14:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 18:14:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383156853; bh=9YRVhbJ5t6OrBxSdIgAySIWZ1HMAxkx0EaMIdiwMpXA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=Ui/o8NveQc9FM6k8E/b2fDVlXEiFFsM9ICJV9OWA01fNOhpKVFGpLRNFCjAWD0ReWkeYzadewhT9s64YXCd2KKInc2c7uxUbEh3wKUjaQPNvEGFir00RmGsNNXpIP09e552PT+f70N0Wk1YEfo5fRdOvwC10Gu+0vN6dFgGMqmg= eN8u_4TyZNQ7HI7SG77sKmn1SnrsEuHXNt8FpDPrQzH2CZydhSW5vhZocmCd _.3q4OOv0CsNP8U00sb.iAZYqydCkl28Upi3eY5mWCxE19ooDTbA4SOtY7d6 86vVM0_RbpGXFDGmMSamyVQwQcrZr7dK0SVWdxEHSniGirwWwN48KhbQRCuj q6RzP_5kT6nM.9ZfB5udNu.XhaF5ME_eozCLEZpJa576VAdY4Bjge86J.Ft1 MGMTKxwl5VIFk.sp70zaX8vJ6cymZM4Txcx0WdUXfcInMjQALMDXoFmdaV2T G1G4Ts0P3bsVvHzyZlwsUx5MHLS2AYLMKny.1ELosW8Zd73CTCWkKjMFUuKI E5OAGdSN3WFlJFdTHe8MBmSqidrv0iH3RLPqB5Ek2Kd6U8LzgnGARDsfM0u9 27imGXDV_dHPVPpfhvpMd8Cc98eHe2eCjwe1Go4c863A2DDChiSJa1dbAc2k 12LEQVt9YgTgfrnhbDXWI0Aff1dl4K6.Ds85QP6WNl5MDBKFsDNLoteJZLfF KysHUizJe4UECXfhHcRREK3KTgT2Giq37KXmhguCr0FHaKr9htGhzh31Tpby F12XcqkSEHK34Ys0jt1I90FnIjxNyY1A2ATSJ.JE1Q.n0_7VkKxXt7D0fUS5 sR3w_pw-- smtp116.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2013 18:14:13 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Alex&Janet Thomson'" , References: <002a01ced596$2912c630$7b385290$@charter.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:15:02 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFl2m4sIdO4xAHlqcyh34804tOqZZrfdkCAgAALaiA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree, I have had the car sit for 2-3 weeks at a time on several occasions(don't hate me). Fluid tank if full and there is no evidence of leaking under the slave. I took a video of the action as I pumped, the arm appears to be travelling the full distance, I could send it to you off-line. IF the pin is sheared, would I still be feeling almost normal resistance at the pedal? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:34 PM To: wbeech@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Any chance that there was fluid loss in the hydraulic system which would prevent the slave cylinder from travelling its full stroke? I can't believe that the clutch disk would rust/set against the flywheel so quickly. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:58 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Dear Valued List, Drove and parked the TR3A two weeks ago, fun drive, no problems or unusual sounds. Got in yesterday and the clutch will not release. Pedal feels about 10% softer than usual, slave cylinder is operating the release arm but no disengagement. New Disk/PPplate/TO bearing just 6 months ago, all have performed as expected until today. Any suggestions are always appreciated. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:47:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46852444F4 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0549A403D4 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id oy12so1325988veb.11 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iO0UhCcTNPA1FMx6DM2rylfFKh1P6krkahCkHmeFx38=; b=Fu7eMUL3owYu0ieQV+L9gY/9bUHhsBBUkmMMaFVgl+8fKgF0Vs1K6dDNbvr3uyV/vU zkk5N3vBgfWIxesnQt83VP9Vac+X7r3zt9Shw/a/hVjVzRJh8M6T0Hgz2P4OEfvIo1gm I2oW04eM0GqZQouK1jG/myDfH/Uz0N27o7JWzAq3gktynaC8p79jLDLZ8XIHszWxuCNz 9R7E3CB8oCSpDOHykfVFPRiAJRRwZxF5N3ar3SEh3Hz/NHwGwPlOk8mreexzaQJ6rA42 VprMXpM+9l9GwKZhhrS+MXa7aLg7YmMxhDzsfW5eSRHoowc+AjjU040maaB3RXwMCZ+0 xvKQ== xv7mr4036219veb.2.1383158689552; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:44:49 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Wbeech@flash.net" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > ...slave cylinder is operating the release arm but no disengagement. Based on that I would begin with one of the usual methods of unsticking a clutch. the suggested method is pretty easy & gentle though when I have had this happen more 'shock & awe' was needed. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:48:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5864459C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3C3403D4 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 18:47:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 18:47:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 18:47:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383158834; bh=4ab9SagMgfXO/nkpGPuDtwRaiZTmxEuSz9Y2NENxPSk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=2VJAgttBrHndX0OmIK+Tm9PC5ie4TEQYFTdaxgJtN3xY89cl3t0A/QqSz/MM6+R6qp7zs8qP5e8dwsqgHw099BKh5mqHlcdyYOWay1VD96AF8hcnDnovXrzO1rwVQjirYgXZBKIsC5UQQPi478NzOiDXqCA8lCTFW+zKXsykbkI= l4b048YofwL4dF3qLJBeP77qU5dM80yBn41lDlLP7KdphxFjM54kMpG4H96g uX1bDcbHUvD7cB17L_HTO3GL1KcD5QjGq_xb_5jzEweOkLVITFUX_kClZS7A ZknkPzMxtE140iGZWKo6PZ0oi1GUJo7FFkIKAATmNbVyHN7kztVaRQU7.GYQ n9Zkh40ldhJXqDIm6sfUdM9hy4iP5Tm7oAPcWuMVxPuVTQV_kO2oSPjSH_g6 ndQRvK7zCnKV16ZQrP9nyS1vX2aRW4BeWmYFQPgWyazTgop1yGvfOjcULug4 oCr8.vy2Xlp4TYtF0Ixj0l0txZisb9uFI0ovr5Ctntvaw9thk7GJ4IAmWZEl UEUGBn5wiuMEGDYcUtdMrPALPNXng0zK3E6SW1YWNYFE3XWOeOEQ8wrsvTbM .Au.2Fn0SD6inQVqGZgDdTepEpPEjqM8Gsz3Yujc.NxpqtnyVUdYm5UC2XUM qpaZsH6xZJw_VH0BSDdce1gznm0AZp41A1Z4ZefySdy6UfMUEDYiYBv_s smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2013 11:47:14 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:47:59 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7VoB2xsQE7BTgDR4K0NvEnhufhIQAAFlMg Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Never had a clutch 'stick' before, other than rocking the car what is there? Bill _____ From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:45 PM To: Wbeech@flash.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM, wrote: ...slave cylinder is operating the release arm but no disengagement. Based on that I would begin with one of the usual methods of unsticking a clutch. the suggested method is pretty easy & gentle though when I have had this happen more 'shock & awe' was needed. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:50:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A9445A8 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846C34437A for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id oy12so1328266veb.1 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:48:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=24IQpKpSlCGKETgNKnQPQ+9J+jExPsHTfmKSWEF3O68=; b=MHA9bLuW5mBdazGur5upz5z47POzw3iZtzJoOI0PWBOmFEY8mbxJmowYST+lAxpVyc GAdhfLyqjrGdc4vuhO1+n5Q3LPRDLNMBajnAhDX1ExNE5sLI1OQiw+YzIqa8qWby02NP igKGKWJpMRZ23bxnBEAgLtQ445FI73tDYnQs4mVFuQhgJVHQL/VPn3xvpe8B2cZ6OU3j KrsMPgMsyHKSNDKnLBRarcNIDLAbzXQXhzoM7rmoxfIj8z/T/jltYX5HapOIKVLxwLOf h3VijqtjYMDwtKQRzmfjP5sMkQDe8Tqj1Ft4+U55HKhayeXHd+eoUncXUljr9hVkyhpf VeBg== y13mr3439243vdi.8.1383158924929; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:48:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <18894FB2F2D04D5A8DB208EAF3E7E54B@DaveLaptop> <8F802D6E963540A38881A76AB3012882@livingroompc> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:48:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is clearly an area with different points of view. I have heard arguments against installing a shoulder belt with the attachment point well below your shoulder. I believe the concern is spinal compression though one could also ponder the wisdom of being strapped in an upright position in one of these cars (w/o a roll bar). Geo On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > The TR250 and 6 mounted the lap belt on the top of the wheel well behind > the seats, I don't know what kind of bracing or reinforcement they may have > used underneath. The location is not ideal in my opinion, as it has to > come up and around the seat, and, at least on me, tends to slide off my > shoulder since not coming from point higher than my shoulder, it is > actually kind of a pain, especially with the top down, as it sort or has to > squeeze between the seat and the convertible top or boot cover. If you > know someone who has a TR6 I would ask to take a look at the setup in one > of those as the inner tub is laid out the same. > > Greg Lemon > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@**gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:56:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0D8445C2 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B004437A for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ia6so1226741vcb.35 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DKmG50YTE5V4OdItY0RO/8AtZcivwptZ5t2tstFeyxc=; b=b35HaiE44bEFHY52LYQLqAUn/NPXo8VLJYAIGqfBwfxTWlCS8e4KI9E3waekqUIvba DHUyw07Af5NkWBaGIKvDIfjBzVRR5pKSL2sq0+btTwJVWBVnv6ODtSD75mpkif+5ErS0 FTBBUQRwWYigml51wEprJ0559acMFtJ0mTD6uC3TbOXKlnvzrEYHiV8zkG2if3dZEAIq TrOOKqNCtQQaEoi2i2/LsVgJgjNAfta91ZB3Cm9wqcDdWjMWuH7xDhOOmbDJrAzT90CM 9onEuCq/7Vel4LW0TaVb8ugOAaVyGATJ6CUvSyDJvdJM23nBJY7rf6QIaH5oq0pT/13z R9aw== x18mr3965118vcu.15.1383159146398; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:52:26 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Wbeech@flash.net" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had one that was *really* stuck -- had to jack up the rear end, start the car with the gearbox in first & rev the engine as my wife released the jack. That got it. I think many have had success with a somewhat gentler method -- possibly start the car in gear & as you're rolling depress the clutch and romp on the brakes. Perhaps gentler still -- handbrake & foot brake on, clutch depressed, bump the motor. You get the idea. Geo On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:47 AM, wrote: > ** > Never had a clutch 'stick' before, other than rocking the car what is > there? > Bill > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:45 PM > *To:* Wbeech@flash.net > *Cc:* Triumphs > *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > >> ...slave cylinder is operating the release arm but no disengagement. > > > > Based on that I would begin with one of the usual methods of unsticking a > clutch. the suggested method is pretty easy & gentle though when I have > had this happen more 'shock & awe' was needed. > > Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 13:28:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E33445ED for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B678437C6 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:28:03 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=wWikmNhFZh8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=lHCMjjs3TskA:10 a=7T-IRoo94xLBjdHfOGMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Y43ZA_YEbpEA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 45/5D-09301-B6D51725; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:26:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:26:53 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFl2m4sIdO4xAHlqcyh34804tOqZZrfdkCAgAALaiCAAAzicA== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW, I've had a freshly-installed clutch stick after just a few weeks of sitting. Probably had something to do with the heat I used to get the (alloy) flywheel off of the previous engine. I used a method somewhere between Bill's gentle rocking and Geo's "shock and awe" : Just held the clutch down and started driving the car that way. I wasn't even to the end of the driveway before it came loose and I've never had a problem with it since. For sure, check the fluid first if you haven't already. Also try pumping it up. If 3 or 4 pumps will get it to release, either the hydraulics need to be bled or you've got a broken taper pin. Also check the adjustment at the slave. Might even be worth trying to remove all of the freeplay, just to see what happens. If the adjustment doesn't have enough range to remove all the freeplay, that's another indication of a broken pin (or something else wrong inside the bellhousing). Then I'd try the above "stuck" solution. Even though it doesn't sound likely to be the right solution (a stuck clutch feels just like one that is working, since you are lifting the pressure plate away from the friction plate), it might work and is a whole lot easier than pulling the gearbox out. Which would be the next step. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 13:45:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F95344737 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp-fo.rcn.cmh.synacor.com [69.168.97.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B25F44702 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:43:38 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=lHCMjjs3TskA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=joLSumcAwYKegzrNeskA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_5LG3r_jIQaF9IfYkbgA:9 a=Wue_QqB9U9iOb6Mv:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:49191] helo=[192.168.1.126]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 6C/E1-15363-F0161725; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:42:08 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:42:06 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try pumping the clutch two or three times in quick succession. If it then works or almost does, I'd suspect a broken fork pin. I stuck disc would not change the pedal feel. (I drove home once with that "technique".) Allen On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Drove and parked the TR3A two weeks ago, fun drive, no problems or > unusual > sounds. Got in yesterday and the clutch will not release. > > Pedal feels about 10% softer than usual, slave cylinder is operating > the > release arm but no disengagement. New Disk/PPplate/TO bearing just > 6 months > ago, all have performed as expected until today. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 15:33:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEED42F36 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f174.google.com (mail-gg0-f174.google.com [209.85.161.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0041403A6 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q3so672493gge.19 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=j02KhSN46jgxecTZdost0kESfWBUOZuz1rgu6y4jATU=; b=wVlUbbf+bVJwmCdJp7UW1Ys6p3ExgjBtkjBKKOZ0xBg98OezzOgF346Yghq9CPktjP +nCkypBBm+RN7uhMdv9IOkB+TDgUsrnUOaozFcvVp/PNWRsdAUo6ddUfSaq/uu/TYByH Si19v8szYsPIW8rKCfZPYuTGUpdJr4vcrldyBCdzBLx/x/7v85Y4opyF29vYurmuGK7L +4XlCB1dxjPtdxw/PxXqVpxMfd/3rRzwJHZp/2FcH11oShhYsZzYUI+qAw8YAnXBSv9Z 3jG4zKSNNB8/XMO/p74ZggiC+kBirKpbQWYi7yGVzv3eQ3q7fu7fTWzMTkAx2sYP5gtP x1Fw== f9mr5276493yhq.44.1383168368696; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.116] ([68.202.149.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q9sm26529yhk.16.2013.10.30.14.26.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Triumph Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:26:05 -0400 References: <18894FB2F2D04D5A8DB208EAF3E7E54B@DaveLaptop> To: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: [TR] tires & tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have received my new Verdestein 165 HR 15 tires this morning, and UPS says that my new tubes and wheel liners will be here this evening. I have identified a shop in town that local LBC types vouch for. My last question to the web wisdom is that there is anything that I should ask about or ask for when I drop everything off at the shop? John John A. Wise john.A.wWise@mac.com 1960 Triumph TR3-A Born" 15 Sep 1960 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 16:00:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBEB43767 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFBD436D7 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:55:05 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=bglP_-LoD_qA0qScWBoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C7/6A-01931-DDF71725; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:53:33 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:53:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Vt7ARh7lLSN38SkqAf97neKCQgQAALHMQ Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] amps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > On another subject line regarding amps in a '59 TR3A. When I > first start up my TR3A and rev the engine, my amp needle will > move to the far right in sync with my revving the engine. > Once the engine warms up, this does not occur. Any ideas > what would be causing this? When the starter cranks the engine, it draws a lot of power from the battery. Literally hundreds of amps times however long it takes to start the engine. Takes a lot more to start a cold engine than a warm one; plus the battery tends to self-discharge over time. The control box is deliberately somewhat sensitive to temperature, and when cold will allow the generator output to temporarily exceed the rated 19 amps (or 22 IIRC if you have the later generator & control box setup). So, that's normal operation, as long as the current doesn't stay higher then the generator rating for more than about a minute or so (depending on how cold it is). If it stays up too long, your control box may be misadjusted or defective or wired wrong. Without the action of the control box, the generator output depends almost directly on rpm. At 1000-1200 rpm (for the generator), it only puts out about enough to run it's own field windings and nothing for the battery. You may even see the red light glowing, to indicate that the cutout has opened and disconnected the generator from the battery, to prevent current flowing backwards through the generator. At around 2000 rpm (+- 100 rpm, again for the generator), it should be able to just barely meet it's rated capacity, 19 amps at 13.5 volts (plus the 2 amps or so it takes to run the field winding). At higher speeds, it relies on the control box to limit the output, as otherwise the generator will easily generate enough current to burn itself up. As John Herrera used to say, I have experimented with this :) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 16:18:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F136442A1 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8061E4041C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ja7F1m00C2QmmGk01a7GBL; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:07:16 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumphs" References: <18894FB2F2D04D5A8DB208EAF3E7E54B@DaveLaptop><8F802D6E963540A38881A76AB3012882@livingroompc> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net very much so. the issue imho is do you want to rebuild your face or take the chance on spinal compression? after my nose was broken for the third time (over many years) I had some serious nose surgery. I DO NOT want to go through that again. at nationals two? years ago someone rolled their vitesse. he was just fine. no roll bar, although he has one now. but here are some facts: at 35 mph a collision without a seat belt is fatal. a collision at 20 mph is like falling off a 2 story building a collision at 40 mph is like falling off a 4 story building yes, I recently took driver ed to get out of a speeding ticket. -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:48 PM To: Dave Connitt ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A This is clearly an area with different points of view. I have heard arguments against installing a shoulder belt with the attachment point well below your shoulder. I believe the concern is spinal compression though one could also ponder the wisdom of being strapped in an upright position in one of these cars (w/o a roll bar). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 16:35:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0408F436D3 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCA5436D3 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170132pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MVI00EYL3U7DLA0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:32:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 96.255.241.232 ([96.255.241.232]) by vznit170132 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:32:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:32:31 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: allenhess@mgcarclub.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Same thing happened on my TR6, and indeed, the fork was broken. New clutch, rebuild gearbox, $4000 later, the car is happy and I am sad. Craig 72 Tr6 On 10/30/13, Allen Hess wrote: Try pumping the clutch two or three times in quick succession. If it then works or almost does, I'd suspect a broken fork pin. I stuck disc would not change the pedal feel. (I drove home once with that "technique".) Allen On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Drove and parked the TR3A two weeks ago, fun drive, no problems or > unusual > sounds. Got in yesterday and the clutch will not release. > > Pedal feels about 10% softer than usual, slave cylinder is operating > the > release arm but no disengagement. New Disk/PPplate/TO bearing just > 6 months > ago, all have performed as expected until today. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 16:37:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACACD445A2 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8873643840 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.69.189]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jaa61m00E451Ety01aa7rg; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:34:09 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:34:16 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7Vv8XZ3HJ93aWXR+yHEnvAKbTOfw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Came across what looks like a decent water pump in a box of parts acquired with a TR3. The water pump has a hole at the base, but no grease fitting. I know the original pumps took a grease nipple, but I didn't think the replacement pumps did. My question is do the later (non-grease-nipple) pumps have a hole, and if so, for what? Andrew Uprichar ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 16:48:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C2F44666 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CC042F25 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.169.93.105] ([unknown] [70.208.130.53]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVI00FA7764MR80@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:44:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Nicholls Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:44:28 -0400 References: <007d01ced5c0$2f9b0a10$8ed11e30$@uprichard.net> To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If water comes out of the hole, it has failed. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:34 PM, "Andrew Uprichard" wrote: > > Came across what looks like a decent water pump in a box of parts acquired > with a TR3. The water pump has a hole at the base, but no grease fitting. > > > > I know the original pumps took a grease nipple, but I didn't think the > replacement pumps did. My question is do the later (non-grease-nipple) > pumps have a hole, and if so, for what? > > Andrew Uprichar > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 16:55:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A744470E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734EC4467E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:54:28 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=dInopXZ7ML8A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=wuWyE5eonQMWu9KmAiQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fu3OCBePsP0A:10 a=CYZOqpeLMN4A:10 a=r3J2IkdgBSGDNq8cD6YA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50664] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 5D/D9-05632-BCD81725; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:53:00 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:59:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] Seat belts in a TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that responded regarding installing seat belts in my TR4A. I do have the factory mounts for a lap belt so that's two of the holes.. I am definately going with the 3-point system and probably be using the retractors too. Thanks again! Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 17:21:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E9A44715 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE8D43664 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 23:00:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.52] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 23:00:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 23:00:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383174002; bh=X9aY0Ica+UKOz+zo0SCE2yOZgkebLq75huglZ9++nj8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=r7iyzJwkfmv7w0pUZy4UDc0tPL3onLA7BUq8LRVqGNHPBC3FYle63AwlbHONFt4rG/euqf2pLBu2dWu8Ip9zg6RP+jcl0RfFL0OjkqGjQI2ZIPcFW4nSVbhAo8IYBw1LLisC3ubyWB1s8iAQ9/tgawMx5tEN0QKfaD5A0uNqlws= YcAmvhODtVVJ.83kIvrk03EicphJ38ZntPHSTayYKtLx4bqw33XtTiQBPUwS U.WHS0viTmQ.LAwl.U_vovDrooog._LnJmS3bzKmd3DbmNV_wm2TLcwbP0Ty .R0fnQwDMGisJlgmJt4lhhy7TgnHHQrkqQiot0Mbyglt.uFklalysO4fF9Ve zeOgBQ7uSQJpXWRf5auw1f3Y_O8hMClH7DnjOvtSwWxX_wDqcPWIoZEx.93R 9.Z6wxbakJ8USWgxd0hivPr2l18QhJlj0.b8EJI27LDMj0lcQeEpFGmkQ0af qEOOpmJtpcExX8edX_GSodi97TjVjeX3Dd5271KJzOVUp5qBUz94WIRk1o10 7MlOJi.wKzMiBthwBxICyso2Hc5OutI7_TnslA6UAEJvdawY.oJGPDSdHCIU cpYXb6AZkAVC4L6fQsLYYfa4H1od9TPRdfC4PzOORDzL5YMvGPPOPPZBc2kN mzG.2F7LFVXBg6jlDdO61HcBUaYeVQyOijpBU0J_jm4PzmyynQrkGMOvWOh8 pE6DOLas8l9Sb9YTUH_y8ZKKKfFLtVnC9E0hRiUPSJjzzDBaUwoKp_p9Dtw- - smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2013 16:00:02 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <007d01ced5c0$2f9b0a10$8ed11e30$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:00:26 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7Vv8XZ3HJ93aWXR+yHEnvAKbTOfwAAnvBA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's a drain hole at the bottom for when they start leaking. I too have a couple of pumps on the shelf from previous projects, with and without the zerks. Does anyone know of a way to test the pump BEFORE installing it on the car? Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 water pump question Came across what looks like a decent water pump in a box of parts acquired with a TR3. The water pump has a hole at the base, but no grease fitting. I know the original pumps took a grease nipple, but I didn't think the replacement pumps did. My question is do the later (non-grease-nipple) pumps have a hole, and if so, for what? Andrew Uprichar ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 17:26:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DF844814 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:26:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE3242F6D for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 890BF70146AA6 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5E768E000082 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383175483; bh=Q5F4tWdf4ClakCuYl3K1mywtr8VXaJk4vjhmER+/1vw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a+G7RiSCKW1Z4CvgIHTv/q8hZpLqWcOt5uq7ItVHeyVZfy7Wwd4KtPyBt5e20BHk7 utb6yU0YjJ7ywLhV/epa1uo/RstTS+YPIRgEgxRio/0ogJ1Nf2ARLro5AH+v+EEZuh Jzk+cHZOnF2LuiheN7YcJQZ8v3dg7I05pJeTzl/I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a5271953b5ee3 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That is a drain hole for what coolant weeps past the seal. The hole lets it drain away before hitting the bearing. If not for that hole the leaked coolant would wash off the bearing lub and cause premature bearing failure. Check the shaft diameter. My TR3 water pump went awry due to a sloppy fit between the pump shaft and the pulley. When I mic'd the shaft and hole there was a good .030 clearance. The key kept things tight for a while but then it wore down and the pulley started to wobble and rub on the bolts and pump housing. The pump was new, the pulley was old (although I cannot vouch for it being original). Dave In a message dated 10/30/2013 5:36:00 PM Central Daylight Time, auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > Came across what looks like a decent water pump in a box of parts > acquired > with a TR3. The water pump has a hole at the base, but no grease fitting. > > > > I know the original pumps took a grease nipple, but I didn't think the > replacement pumps did. My question is do the later (non-grease-nipple) > pumps have a hole, and if so, for what? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 19:19:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D24442D8 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D28B4365D for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:14:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131031011244.ODSC3872.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:12:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([68.102.188.186]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id jdCk1m00341kCY401dCkWK; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:12:44 -0400 a=h9rF95GeLltkpMuadUVPJA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=1uuHkhl5diIA:10 a=4mRVeFctLhH_4ZrwwOYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=h9rF95GeLltkpMuadUVPJA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=fmags@cox.net From: Frank Magnusson Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:12:45 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR3 clutch not releasing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had this happen a GT6 several times. What seemed to work for me was to roll the car out to the street, and start the car in first or 2nd, and while it is trying to start, pump the clutch pedal many tomes. Another thing that worked when that didn't is to find a hill to drive up and lug it up the hill in a high gear like 3rd and when it is lugging down start pumping the pedal. Or on a flat straight rev the engine while in 1st and pump the pedal. Those have worked for me except once when I had to pull the gearbox. Btw, all of my problems were caused by parking it over gravel. No moisture barrier. This was in an aircraft T hanger. When parked on asphalt or concrete I never had these problems. Hope this helps, Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 20:29:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D48A43222 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43E943152 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:28:59 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=sgUcnvy3nowA:10 a=pYopUVYPXWpebH1EIqcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 30/1A-09301-210C1725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 02:27:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:27:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Vx1t24D/DVMEySF2jnJ6TW2URKQAGB9Jg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > If not for that hole the leaked > coolant would wash off the bearing lub and cause premature > bearing failure. The weep hole also warns you when the seal is leaking, instead of waiting until the bearings fail entirely. > Check the shaft diameter. My TR3 water pump went awry due to > a sloppy fit > between the pump shaft and the pulley. Ditto. My opinion, if you can push the pulley into position by hand, you've got a problem. It has to be a light press fit on the shaft. I don't think I had anywhere near .030" clearance (before the failure), but after the first tap the pulley fell into place and the pump only lasted a few months before the pulley worked loose, tore up the keyway and snapped the threaded portion of the shaft. It missed the radiator, but I don't know how. Used Loctite RC609 on the replacements. It's supposed to be able to create a press fit with as much as .010" clearance (but they were a nice tight fit anyway). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 20:36:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04FD43012 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6233C42F85 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:35:23 -0600 (MDT) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eKfbUt_BSLAA:10 a=zvI8uQpz8tSzel68XAAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:54852] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8E/76-01931-291C1725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 02:33:55 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <7725018.1383152994451.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:33:56 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7VkvVvwebsAY5nRimZy3KIbF/3sAASCgJg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts in TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Quite a few years ago I installed the retractor belts on the "B" post where the hook was installed. The kit came with a bolt that matched perfectly with a pipe-like tapered thread. The loop attached to the hoodstick resting post on top of the wheel-well. I have Miata seats, and it did restrict the movement backwards to the point that I switched back to the lap belt. I hesitate in drilling a hole in the wheel-well on top of the shelf. My wife liked the retractable belts better because they have longer webbing and, umm, how do I say this nicely, with her larger size it made it easier to fasten the belt. :) I'm thinking about the standard three point belts without the retractor, and installing them the same way to get the benefits of three points, and the longer webbing of course. Johnnie '67 TR4A > > Hi, > > I saw a TR4 or TR6 that had installed the retractors down in front of > the wheel wells, clear down on the vertical panel right behind the > seats. The owner was pretty happy with the way it works. It has the > advantage of not taking up space on the shelf behind the seat. Not > sure if it interferes with seat travel. > > The loop was at the top of the wheel well. > > Roger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 22:01:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7674383C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE40E43546 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jfvL1m0041smiN4AEg0CU6; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:00:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jg0B1m0084L5TyG8gg0Bas; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:00:12 +0000 From: Bud R To: Triumph Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:00:10 -0600 References: <18894FB2F2D04D5A8DB208EAF3E7E54B@DaveLaptop> s=q20121106; t=1383192012; bh=z9fExKeAtfXvwoAGSkhXcH8LvT0NDKGQ4ZqRTJiGLLE=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=PagB1s8kOzCeDBsIvO3nyRe06RXiZL8D/UpWC1oSS3eA5bR2bez+pJV5ERG6rOqcg HafyZMvTtX/TPcbPvkPf2goRFr9inJB7a0wJcvHuOxkO0GnkY8CFFFKda/c6jNACHF 2PtS3pm0yeyGtVdB1vDkmwunMy4nIiUKUeXi24kZPfO6ADMwObwFd1w8prDx0kEPr/ jKZfLp9oPNrlzMWqfjj6M4r8FQaLGK6vUTtsUycySotv2vkCa2cV+d8e4Me5WzMUwU 1w9OnnIEPLQFQpX+fJOl/riirmjt9BnDl1ubtfi3kLAYM+CLGLFYAtTZdg7py3aGrL qjJ/+tkHCqCRw== Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] tires & tubes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tell them to use as little of the soapy stuff as possible. It makes for a larger range of pressure changes in the tires as temperatures change. A small thing but why have H2O vapor in there. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 30, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Triumph wrote: > I have received my new Verdestein 165 HR 15 tires this morning, and > UPS says > that my new tubes and wheel liners will be here this evening. I have > identified a shop in town that local LBC types vouch for. > > My last question to the web wisdom is that there is anything that I > should ask > about or ask for when I drop everything off at the shop? > > John > > John A. Wise > john.A.wWise@mac.com > > 1960 Triumph TR3-A > Born" 15 Sep 1960 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 23:28:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E754362D for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786C14353D for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS42 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:26:56 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 00:26:58 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7V+dBnpYtuZb13R3am0nUW9gbJ7A== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[D0C97640:01CED5F9] Subject: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am in the process of restoring an early TR4A and I could use a few parts. The car I have has TR6 seats. I'd like to have 4A seats if someone has a set they would like to sell. I would trade the TR6 seats or sell them if I find TR4 seats. The car is a spoke wheel car. One left rear hub has slipped some time in its life. The tops of the teeth are flattened, not triangular like the other 3 wheels. If I could find one good hub, I would trade out the one that isn't so good. I could also use one 60-spoke painted wheel for a spare. I've got 4. A 5th would be nice. Thanks for looking. Creig Houghtaling Fenton, MO 63026 314-401-7817 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 04:20:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD45431F2 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFE243016 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 10:16:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.61] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 10:16:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 10:16:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383214614; bh=v6uLaoQzN9+yem/NZM/8mkTGBKZCUAxSyuLwTF/32no=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=DM7LPZfPwcW2S1/ZWVQ620tZGkwP9ZcMZCdazInhuuZApZPIygL9AGQzBm4qjdOSFpiaYTpCW8n/P1Rd9U5+y4h3n2ENCXD4WBiZzZy4VVIbI45xcFd+o/7zQ0mO7XKalHf19tC5l9lOvKy10JhPr/flwHVAverSEcN5h3XuTB8= ynHx3jUtbC0h0QbtknFqU6CjBIsbl1u_FQRG_7QUbtEChiOGpsUk9URJpjLx oBmGnqZ3SF0DD.SVsEX2zjCWQtNNudjUE1To.A8s.0B23e.dgtC7JQpmaJhg pwqeBqPIgt6oXttdvTTko9JvV30HW7VFMHUwkAQWapMDGMCpKcGoJPZKFG2g rXQQ4SNrxj_6gi6nlUe5bsCpUOKgaQOTLzR8ZjCh7GmxEUWLFBFq43Vtb6Lt dXoOD79pzPZuATYIeOh3vyA7ylQ6aB_dLX9.qcnS88wuoao5eSNAtt9d1x6. gUDaQ0zYPD2gW.9ENYpS7Jy.eviYWS4NMgpwPkNkGvcFGE36.0.SIoCkl9ab zc4JhtPGcCe54ktDxEhBjX3lssc_V_N18B8EFdVRDeF4gT7C9BFHzVTHYPx7 .AZsS.JptnmlcPvhAnM_KQb5j5VfqBS8DWrvAToC.A7JdHzhJnP636zfQblj WfC3ja.P3uzZqOYvbd.CCLYKGVs0QnrbTBoegbvF0CPfq1M9vRv.iPqaul1q wexdR3YxxhfFuFNwkF2_cW0idnT5szBzTmXnBiqK_Bp_qnT44Qe_iEC.emtc PlaT4d2_ZhQYSlg-- by smtp212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2013 03:16:54 -0700 PDT References: From: Bill Babbitt Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:16:51 -0400 To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Creig You should have someone familiar with wire wheel hubs look them over. You may actually have one new hub and three badly warn hubs. ISTR that the new ones are flat top and as they wear the sides of the splines come together and eventually touch, resulting in a sharp pointed top. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > I am in the process of restoring an early TR4A and I could use a few parts. > > The car I have has TR6 seats. I'd like to have 4A seats if someone has a set > they would like to sell. I would trade the TR6 seats or sell them if I find > TR4 seats. > > The car is a spoke wheel car. One left rear hub has slipped some time in > its life. The tops of the teeth are flattened, not triangular like the > other 3 wheels. If I could find one good hub, I would trade out the one > that isn't so good. I could also use one 60-spoke painted wheel for a > spare. I've got 4. A 5th would be nice. > > Thanks for looking. > > Creig Houghtaling > Fenton, MO 63026 > 314-401-7817 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 05:19:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C80E43627 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E26E43201 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=dmericas@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [69.11.246.180] ([69.11.246.180:65253] helo=[10.32.253.194]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 1E/C4-02506-D7B32725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:14:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:14:04 -0500 From: Dean Mericas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Replacing TR4 transmission mount - from the top or bottom? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All -- I need to replace the transmission mount on my TR4. The last time I replaced it, the car was all apart, and access was easy. Now I'm trying to figure out if I can remove the old one and install the new one from underneath the car, or if I need to pull the transmission tunnel and go in from the top. Any guidance and tips will be appreciated. Thanks. Dean 1965 TR4 Austin, TX ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 05:51:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF3B4458E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD2F43627 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B31A5700000B5 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 87D93E000088 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383220007; bh=o/yz4/CfdBVIdZNJvi0dpuKph14jJi75UjGkUMtp6bI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xphC3TZJ8HXJZ4FEx5bNKbc+tDitjDWfdX8YJKI0IWid7Eocte52V1jnBzfCFUEI8 WqotTqQvC+i7H5wsc+UOj88yfzDYpPX/WNLJuldn67DNi+2StBxHr8QwpnEagyDCH0 3ab9TYows/nNRd2K8UbcaRyO/5wy/eTDmGJOnLpM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c5272432761bd Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the tip. My pump started making noise at Bodega Bay on Highway 1. We were staying south of Napa which was 50 miles. Made it back without incident, luckily, and we put the car on the trailer and headed home (well, after spending another day in Napa Valley driving the Escape). Someday soon I will order up a new pump and pulley and some Locktite RC609 and hope for the best. Dave In a message dated 10/30/2013 9:27:37 PM Central Daylight Time, TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: > Ditto. My opinion, if you can push the pulley into position by hand, > you've got a problem. It has to be a light press fit on the > shaft. I don't think I had anywhere near .030" clearance (before the > failure), but after the first tap the pulley fell into place > and the pump only lasted a few months before the pulley worked loose, tore > up the keyway and snapped the threaded portion of the > shaft. It missed the radiator, but I don't know how. > > Used Loctite RC609 on the replacements. It's supposed to be able to > create a press fit with as much as .010" clearance (but they > were a nice tight fit anyway). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 06:11:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112EC430A3 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FDA4054C for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-W18 ([65.54.190.60]) by bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:08:42 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Dean Mericas , Triumph List Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:08:42 -0500 References: <52723B7C.4060400@austin.rr.com> FILETIME=[F0EB7F30:01CED631] Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing TR4 transmission mount - from the top or bottom? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dean- I've only taken them off from above. It may be possible from below, but I'm skeptical. Too many things in the way to get access to all the bolts - the tough ones I think would be the main mount bolts from the gearbox tailshaft to the mount. After that, you'd either need to raise the whole gearbox up to get the mount to clear the rear crossmember, or get access to the 4 bolts holding the crossmember to the frame. Tough either way. My advice, bite the bullet and pull the tunnel cover! Randy Texas Triumph Register member & 64 red TR4 owner > > I need to replace the transmission mount on my TR4. The last time I > replaced it, the car was all apart, and access was easy. Now I'm trying > to figure out if I can remove the old one and install the new one from > underneath the car, or if I need to pull the transmission tunnel and go > in from the top. > > Any guidance and tips will be appreciated. > > Thanks. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 06:23:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC35D4300D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A78542F8D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=dmericas@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [69.11.246.180] ([69.11.246.180:64344] helo=[10.32.253.194]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 5D/AB-15942-CAA42725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:18:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:18:51 -0500 From: Dean Mericas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Chris Simo , Triumphs List References: <52723B7C.4060400@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing TR4 transmission mount - from the top or bottom? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 08:31:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD164363D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96A442F66 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ib11so1981387vcb.36 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:29:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MwRbllpPJnpj+TBf0sZ1UcsPnAAOZbBqGsQ0u2KrbdM=; b=cFapV1/pakGNyVDmWXnLCKAbjF4ATAMm8wjcAj2cf0TMeD5nW8BrZoNPAJS+OISZIs KOsgB/EN9vePgkd930dLYILtngNLeWvF8is+FZspMfdhEhmZg2rlvKUF1U/bibiH0qWa VFTQx6nwGcUNW2xd/HN96GhCJK3HgDLEf2Jskms8xd0itZQ9X57Z/TLxOdUayrytQP1D euxt2tZIKEI7NwPOQ9l3PsM4QT6E02HV0N2VQDT0EFByxKIE1QKMigNs4JRCz8W+AXBt ezM/kn64DC+dGhzS6co7400S348eUnjwx5sDoaOlmzjl7iSAj9YN/T1u3EQo4TFoAEhJ UKXQ== oo10mr2299003vec.0.1383229792538; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:29:52 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:29:52 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > The car I have has TR6 seats. I'd like to have 4A seats... I would trade > the TR6 seats or sell them if I find > TR4 seats. You may know this but just in case (since you mention both) TR4A seats are different from TR4 seats. I think the frames are the same so it is of no matter if you get a set that will need to be recovered, but upholstery itself changed with the 4A (good illustration of this in the Moss catalog). Good call by Bill on the wire hub splines. If your budget can stand it I think you'd be doing yourself a big favor to get 4 new hubs and wheels -- then you're set for decades of trouble-free driving (where those parts are concerned anyway). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 08:45:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF9D437B6 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05CE43077 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id oy12so2119782veb.39 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+hQcHbhN3nJWn+F/W0Kj1aOy3S30uh3i4UQmDEbAiv8=; b=gntavkrdz5QJN97MV4Ou1JvbSjuHIhERqpKx1o8PIkyF0Tfksqt+HVwo7X+yudsN9l 7T12LJ5N6b9X01TBqjxW9UJ+DjCqW5P940272HXZBvKnlg2IgUfVWthdHjNRsF7bm9n5 46xwgWPnhWGdwX3/K/jXTrpfh8Gtfp5uMOkwyeWokFxHMy2pqsxxNktGVATZSOCib8ux xISrFJi0NCfyMMUV7bwCss8hSEvVkitmi+VSccRV2T4sg9vi/CmZVXo2oUU0VxlWkSSw 4TM1qjdz6xYF9olc+3Npb7xNR4/042Hg72fr3C6pmE+bfSYawJ1EFh01GaauQYy3ZMxa kfpQ== t9mr1971564vdo.22.1383230641448; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <52723B7C.4060400@austin.rr.com> <52724AAB.3050809@austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:44:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dean Mericas , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing TR4 transmission mount - from the top or bottom? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Out from the top is the way to go here. Actually a pretty straight-forward one-person job. It is easier (lighter for one thing) if it is a non-OD gearbox. It is so easy to remove the steering wheel on a TR4 (just undo the 2 bolts holding that clamp thing on the column forward of the firewall and pull it out) that I remove it and take the box out through the driver's side -- avoids having to wrassle it over the handbrake. I usually remove both seats (again so easy, just 2 small bolts each) to have maximum room to work. I slip a length of pipe crossways under the tail housing to support that end once all is free. I use a transmission jack from Harbor Freight to support from below but that is probably over-complex -- some just use stout crates, etc. In case you don't know, I think you'll have to raise (and of course support) the engine a bit -- but keep an eye on the throttle shaft that crosses the engine bay right in front of the firewall. Many of those (e.g. my TR3A) are bowed because someone forgot to look at it whilst jacking the engine. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 08:56:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BFB442E6 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA92E431BE for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so2002189vbj.0 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=p/ls1J+0Mvm6f+V0MAmyvk5qvvirjm6K2oOyIqmtPfE=; b=0Pca47qYb99iF9eCYtp5BGqQ9bC7GfpMLfXEoWQIYhtJguaC328u5QnbOmreZGJa5z Ben2FOYmfpoYj5SuDXC5kftf1140Z0ehd2FlD0SqGLo89mTixiDfUFhVAuRjAlR2hMbT bNKFFA3vuTSF7HwMQmVRjE38q3LJgVBUQL9k9SJ7b0Ey2kb9A6dXwuv6IJBZPpylJq+6 r/ZnDkWJVy79gyvomw8CC5BmL9KVN2T9ML4qcCUqy2Wle2lW2w8Si+N3oOjQ0z0K+CCm yYkmnPx+OHcCYnt/XvNN3tyR58E/bg3qc/jq7utMw1/7TtF+b+6xJQDZfVysWdWNO9Ql 2ZZQ== Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <52723B7C.4060400@austin.rr.com> <52724AAB.3050809@austin.rr.com> <52726DB2.5090509@austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:52:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dean Mericas , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing TR4 transmission mount - from the top or bottom? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Dean Mericas wrote: > Thanks, George. > > I only need to replace the mount... D'oh. I learned to read in the first grade -- really I did. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 11:53:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5DF44548 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60B044313 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131031174911.KHXB24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:49:11 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id jtpB1m00D1UBpzb05tpBDc; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:49:11 -0400 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=8wY-8BQTqSFIY6GbV5gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=9WhVHJ_bDhuPxziNzbgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=hfyMHsl_RvD8lo5p:21 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:49:09 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7WKfv5Nq/rbPhqReWwLtimRobjHgAN39SA Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] FW: GT6 Body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Alex&Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:14 AM To: 'Spitfire list'; 'Triumphs' Cc: 'Dennis McKinley' Subject: GT6 Body List members - A member of the Connecticut Triumph Register is looking for a GT6 body. His original message appears below. If you can help, please respond to Dennis directly. Thanks. Alex Thomson An additional request. Looking for a Triumph GT6+ or GT6 Mark II body. Have frame and drive train need usable body. Dennis McKinley Dennis-mckinley@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 12:52:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA86B443EF for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A884054A for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=sgUcnvy3nowA:10 a=eW7FCQsIAAAA:20 a=NAbFoHq7AAAA:20 a=58aFp4Ini7EvR1krC90A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=lCYh_nky_nAA:10 a=VsHDmvisy8kA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9C/88-01931-546A2725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:49:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:50:00 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7WL0iXXAdCc+WFSFOMKlOTc9VS1QAOP1kQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Someday soon I will order up a new pump and pulley and some > Locktite RC609 There are probably better choices today than the 609. I've got a big bottle of it left over from when I had a similar problem with the front pulley on my former TR3A. The crank snout was worn undersize from the pulley hub working loose and I didn't want to replace it at the time, so I used the RC609 to make up the difference. Worked quite well, and I was later able to remove the hub without too much fuss, using a screw-type puller bolted to the holes in the hub and a bolt in the end of the crankshaft. It just laughed at me when I tapped on it, though. Back then, the 609 was only available in 50ml bottles, but it appears you can even get 0.5ml "single use" bottles today. http://tinyurl.com/prqtruw Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 13:05:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD44437E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FE4437E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:58:11 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=bc7xhU6c1D8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=hDNEvTyqdcgA:10 a=tN3lR5Rv21a1GnAElKAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 57/50-00725-FC7A2725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:56:15 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Triumphs'" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:56:34 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7WIpItX2fFdZcNTwOhFyE0O8buegAR9Ocw Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > ISTR > that the new ones > are flat top and as they wear the sides of the splines come > together and > eventually touch, resulting in a sharp pointed top. That's true, but then if you keep driving on them, eventually the sharp edge folds over and becomes flat again. Very dangerous situation, as if the wheel spins, you have no brakes on that wheel. BTDT Also worth noting that the hubs & wheels wear at the same time. If you've got a worn-out hub, chances are that the wheel is pretty bad too. And mating one new to one worn will cause the new one to wear more rapidly. Ideally they should be changed as a set. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 13:55:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39064403F2 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD0D40401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CE5D77013F79B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.5]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 85A05E00008E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383248528; bh=VMuwohUzkIEeWUPF24Mo1P6BJJgbhxbnQTdsC4H87YE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X+rQeuwWp+fAxRAj4kC7pdjEKf2UdQn/AUQ9GMwljFm1hGsoiLTN2OZLw5DsvkdMx nncDaiK3KLN2k3ZPqmUV0AGHisQsALJr0cj9Kc5wQ4TD1QKS1mpd+JYF6tl0JhN53u DrO5eKa5kktyvL/YkoqjFIPbgFdeui9xH+De+ISs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb5272b2900c73 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 water pump question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I see that Locktite (R) has three products that fit the description, 635, 638 and 680. All three are available through McMaster Carr. Graingers has others as well including 609. Dave In a message dated 10/31/2013 1:49:43 PM Central Daylight Time, TR3driver@ca.rr.com writes: > >Someday soon I will order up a new pump and pulley and some > >Locktite RC609 > > There are probably better choices today than the 609. I've got a big > bottle of it left over from when I had a similar problem with > the front pulley on my former TR3A. The crank snout was worn undersize > from the pulley hub working loose and I didn't want to > replace it at the time, so I used the RC609 to make up the difference. > Worked quite well, and I was later able to remove the hub > without too much fuss, using a screw-type puller bolted to the holes in > the hub and a bolt in the end of the crankshaft. It just > laughed at me when I tapped on it, though. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 16:41:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782644729 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53970438E7 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.70.26]) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jyYR1m0060a0y2m01yYS8H; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:32:30 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:32:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7WiQPo8XuN52HPSQ61EE0Z2kxZ7A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 Gas tank straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Again going through boxes of stuff I find a pair of TR3 gas tank straps - but unlike others I have seen and used, these have a "flat" spot (about an inch square) close to the top of the straps. The flat spot is drilled and threaded. Since I cannot think of anything high up either just in front of or just behind the gas tank, can anyone help? Were these standard or am I dealing with the workings of a previous owner? Thanks as always, Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 17:13:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F1D447B8 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A2D4473F for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:11:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kp14so3248060pab.1 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=XR3L6uKNlwLmJPj3Qqu27eolBMsFzLDSesr69By8VvY=; b=iG0XLnW7KAgp1rNVmnPjgdlMfYE9+jKAeimmtJaRaRAMTBqv0H2QYZEKQWRvKqMk39 IbyEMl5WRXd4jhZ5U8thU/trzbVSct49B/lQP9j2VSq2AY3nDyS3DyHK5GuRZwFC9pzw 75siOiTX7gsnuckFMfrBtuzGmm/HR+8WclyJRoNWgx2aHi1Vnt8jpBxfjEV1h7zEgdJi hAToxEezoc/rIZxO/rcRktfL/zWqtek7tSOj9sY+4usCq8/tQ1t2yD+6f/Kc+8UNjohZ 5qGW3RFuByT9WXbQpQBbZwI50DM5tzAy1G9BtGDNkc0zrD9O+YmTtl6XByCnFTdodY/D zBkA== Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwaws006 (75-149-51-150-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [75.149.51.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wd6sm8257510pab.3.2013.10.31.16.09.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roger Wilson" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00f701ced689$20153f10$603fbd30$@uprichard.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:07:58 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7WiQPo8XuN52HPSQ61EE0Z2kxZ7AABJzrw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gas tank straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just replace my tank and my straps had holes at each end for attachment, no flat spot or hole at the top. Roger Wilson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:33 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Gas tank straps Again going through boxes of stuff I find a pair of TR3 gas tank straps - but unlike others I have seen and used, these have a "flat" spot (about an inch square) close to the top of the straps. The flat spot is drilled and threaded. Since I cannot think of anything high up either just in front of or just behind the gas tank, can anyone help? Were these standard or am I dealing with the workings of a previous owner? Thanks as always, Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjwilson1250@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 18:19:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9472F44752 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71B743670 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2013 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2013 00:08:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2013 00:08:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383264509; bh=BonUfNhEBevhMzjmMTqw0B7ZQWDe6BLj0Uhp4v+9lAs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=6NFSezcma4Pxsct8zM62xvi6pE+Q3v7oKygAoJU3E9nvyAzlpeKSBn1AJOBaYClihnjIdQqemrCPHes+HwkBercccjOfMuDHE3N8evBqOtQWoFOYIEUvq80pIpFyomMCJo8KeG66N2agFlgN6/csryqatfkT/CX5a/AwgHI2tdM= wQ3dTlLMB1O3QlRIDtzPvQJPxDAr8kySCZZu7m7muf1v2Qq8YRs8twwB9Qdt dmzN4B_NTu_7jQztm0C7PiGRfMYBiVepVX4Vn9c2tdz_mNukV4l7SePLcmFl CNqXFsqThJBK_7C2BWnUXaDU0amGqDgbTumCHzNAyczSi.sLj02JMv0OgNU2 HIoYtqkQJjWmssqaTpJbokp.KpRLfKM0IFK8C9dhgAVxQevPIZEGr6BdyPas OFryrHo4Gli1K3zTeeHFEL0JfJSQyPzceVurOwplTRAvreg24zlHWZ8mDTlQ nFdoMNids9bcbvpFFDf3CpyFqC0GageKPS8SW_Rr3kplLxweFxJp0uK2f3H9 VaD9AmX2Ja3w3i0td3xof9Yzgd6yymWt_mFO8IRwj2DaeTIRJ0Rxz._2_vfH M1g1eH8ZdbP7_YydDvTmxK38ZQai.YahWOQ7it6OArsyy2UBJN.BHrxFPXH5 giUEXHtgpMi.4EF6uiVKl8rDIck_GPdy0Rn_J7Od26qLxLJEqiB2bkS49_yl RlOUNRRMPC6ZRqu_SYmwvqOY1hX.GUcma1InvdEbnGeVT4IvGpp95xFGkZye XbQ-- smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Nov 2013 00:08:29 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00f701ced689$20153f10$603fbd30$@uprichard.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:09:18 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7WiQPo8XuN52HPSQ61EE0Z2kxZ7AACwy4Q Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gas tank straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have not seen that on my present or previous TR3A's straps. Sounds like the work of a PO with a special idea. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 5:33 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Gas tank straps Again going through boxes of stuff I find a pair of TR3 gas tank straps - but unlike others I have seen and used, these have a "flat" spot (about an inch square) close to the top of the straps. The flat spot is drilled and threaded. Since I cannot think of anything high up either just in front of or just behind the gas tank, can anyone help? Were these standard or am I dealing with the workings of a previous owner? Thanks as always, Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 19:23:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C7743717 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56C2430B3 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:00:51 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=OqHccBFZfhIA:10 a=VBqcCJKzAAAA:20 a=TWmhcvYEAAAA:20 a=E3mFUQf-y4yjF4EBX94A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=8-d9scAGB9UA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5B/FE-09301-5ECF2725; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:59:18 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:59:36 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7WiQPo8XuN52HPSQ61EE0Z2kxZ7AAE5SyQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Gas tank straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Again going through boxes of stuff I find a pair of TR3 gas > tank straps - > but unlike others I have seen and used, these have a "flat" > spot (about an > inch square) close to the top of the straps. The flat spot is > drilled and > threaded. TS13571L has the same thing, I believe they are original to the car. http://tinyurl.com/knthhtt Possibly the original intent was as an attachment point for the back panel for the "occasional" seat? That I don't know. But I think the original back panel will sit against the pads, and I know the early occasional seats used an extra piece in that area (instead of just padding built into the cockpit rear panel like the 3As used). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive