From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 14:22:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1E2403FB for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 14:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E920E403D4 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 14:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id o9so5110452oag.28 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:15:17 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=8j8OsOfpS6yiiHbQdA1UIzJDFED7n1to056V9aSzLXI=; b=I/c5jtG5X6TSr92qd8WdsiYBwLm10IqUx0tlH49N8GvutqEe8dbLpjyHGJOi2uCKmq w9KFK3O1KXPPlizV9CJUZlTWSLmrBZ77VPkhd5vxapLf2Rzwu9waoJdIW6ewnan8LMzc prORQc/Yv6azuL1HYE+j5tQM0zlpdsyBhnSWWsNt1PfPs5vr45CGSYpF8axUnca0FpRq 9bRbFkp3vYyPjWll3C0wSRBBEzSibGJkckAkSgQsXCN75/SMEPH7BhFey70GG2WWlJuJ YJjPp/hkozpmvqnZ7ElA+rHFRWilD52ltkmEXAlhkWDhDmmJVcnsroewZQeENIQWP7UY 5qyQ== pg14mr2482532oeb.66.1383336916841; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm15555504obi.14.2013.11.01.13.15.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 16:15:26 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7XPskSxJHelDk/QNqzBiDXRpJcMw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Please contact me off list if you have a good used TR4 door lock striker, driver side. I actually need the plastic piece as mine is damaged and they don't sell just the plastic piece. Moss Part # 803-130, Factory part number 701354. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Trguy75@gmail.com Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 21:37:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5833D40402 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 21:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16DA403DD for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 21:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS10 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Nov 2013 20:31:26 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:31:28 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7XfAQrIqeXkXsKRz2tGpuEcnoiQg== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[02AD2020:01CED77C] Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts (OD transmission tunnel) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I compared the 3 hubs that I felt were OK next to a new hub. The splines on the 3 are very similar in appearance to the new one. I used a caliper to compare the total outer diameter of the hub at the spline peaks. The 3 and the new one were very close. The one poor one was noticeably less total outside diameter at the spline peaks. Another thing I could use is a functional transmission tunnel that could fit over an overdrive transmission. -----Original Message----- From: Creig Houghtaling [mailto:creig555@live.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:04 AM To: 'Bill Babbitt' Cc: 'Triumphs'; 'Alex&Janet Thomson' Subject: RE: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts Bill, Alex, Great information! As you can tell, I have no experience with wire wheels. I'm going to the shop today where the car is having work done. I'll look at them closer and maybe take some pictures. Creig -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babbitt [mailto:wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 5:17 AM To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts Creig You should have someone familiar with wire wheel hubs look them over. You may actually have one new hub and three badly warn hubs. ISTR that the new ones are flat top and as they wear the sides of the splines come together and eventually touch, resulting in a sharp pointed top. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > I am in the process of restoring an early TR4A and I could use a few parts. > > The car I have has TR6 seats. I'd like to have 4A seats if someone has > a set they would like to sell. I would trade the TR6 seats or sell > them if I find > TR4 seats. > > The car is a spoke wheel car. One left rear hub has slipped some time > in its life. The tops of the teeth are flattened, not triangular like > the other 3 wheels. If I could find one good hub, I would trade out > the one that isn't so good. I could also use one 60-spoke painted > wheel for a spare. I've got 4. A 5th would be nice. > > Thanks for looking. > > Creig Houghtaling > Fenton, MO 63026 > 314-401-7817 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbabbitt@sbcglobal.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 22:35:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A2B403E9 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11785403DD for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kUNh1m0021GXsucA7UW3PZ; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 04:30:03 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kUW21m00V2xZMJ48UUW27j; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 04:30:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 04:30:02 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Don Hiscock s=q20121106; t=1383366603; bh=2vkri61D+YRDwJvsy6AElTrXf2ZJ82aD0ub1T1tj9+E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jIBqaTnUdG0zYxEzNj5qaZb9yztuiPt9Xs2baAljKKsLxk7832vZinfwDjQCOikks 2bJju91lpvXnskGG+D1Q+pfOA4+ipIWT2bXiPzuj5yzaUrsChCnGYAvOehGzHIqY9X mm6Lk2TkWdHKUnn9/g654k8cEMcLlu6q0Ae1zWVNZQJotqsxPaF02nODCsvWxVBsai G+LasgRmng+13GrmDY+GQTU4PMEormEK+QqzmrJiyc73iScRT87VP3cCFctcirhxOf nNVZa9fE/Wxbvg6fQrlkITfvow+GYxpAqUfqMVzvFcYuzf83kn9bs6Uys5mYAtdJUE WKwiJOxZw++Pg== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Great ad for Spitfire in western Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good catch! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Hiscock" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:37:12 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Great ad for Spitfire in western Wisconsin > Yes, a good ad. Maybe not quite so original, but still entertaining... > http://enid.craigslist.org/cto/4119280944.html%3C/div%3E > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM, wrote: > > > http://eauclaire.craigslist.org/cto/4154990742.html > > > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > > pethier@comcast.net > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > > http://www.mnautox.com > > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 07:20:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EF140413 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC245403F8 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6A208700000B3 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.5]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 33CB0E000081 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m223.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.167) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:10:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383397827; bh=VBLK7Re4FL3W0wYSDvzNLRIdPeLjKqnOcZVuH6bD+Es=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jroeO1x6wWJlhGVanibF1+EH1Zp9IDCYADLacsK8qOkk2g0eWfiJOYvehgjI4CPlC 5IZREw3T9NLebPbeuwt/QrVF8wqs9J/wmzucct14k00o+BD4hm1iIf3qVOrDXMHff5 ZvFjw339213Jxg5QUNioRQFCvWGJ3ctbX/t6Dr3A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca5274f9c32b49 Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts (OD transmission tunnel) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Use the plastic cover from TRF. Fits perfectly and will last forever. I've had mine since 1990. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Creig Houghtaling Another thing I could use is a functional transmission tunnel that could fitover an overdrive transmission. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 07:58:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F4F40414 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2D74035A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:55:47 -0600 (MDT) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=fqZfJdc9ORcA:10 a=2kC-ftvPYeYA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=QXfrN264HGAA:10 a=Zk3OmFfbAAAA:8 a=kOJE1P-g4Ce06CUmn6QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=x46t9oslO7cA:10 a=lt2zckDBThsA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:40409] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2C/03-00701-EF305725; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:54:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:54:30 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8D0A5E408368DEE-65C-30D23@webmail-m223.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts (OD transmission tunnel) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have the cover on both my 4 and 6. They are much stronger than the original pressed paper but at least for me, there was a bit of 'colorful' language heard by my wife during installation. The plastic is not as forgiving as the original paper. The use of multiple thin philips screwdrivers to line up the holes with their welded nuts was helpful. Bob On 11/02/2013 09:10 AM, Dave Massey wrote: > Use the plastic cover from TRF. Fits perfectly and will last forever. I've > had mine since 1990. > > > > Dave Massey > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Creig Houghtaling > > Another thing I could use is a functional transmission tunnel that could > fitover an overdrive transmission. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 11:15:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD8D40436 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCDB403F8 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id db12so469994veb.37 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kRBucYzhrttrfM2N2BwJyBdCGeTIkL8Pa++8l87pX+o=; b=HYaJdErRAYgndJK2WDFGLbjbUS0D7TkSR1XiqhlFipWfA10YBqxIMDXAXOsBtXzL/l FR9021QY6dHQE3MqaqrZ8kk6K612PylPaMoneQxHoiFcmF8vJW0It8kFr87XIaYn2vI7 y52C92rJohHCqX0nV5JZtuXfrw4vzu5tTLRwg6SioIiTza4e+SXlS/EU1nEilOOODZi2 UNizv8W9mEv32QWK32MAS77BnBHvEr20YdMIPdBvqyehCtDiQEiIe3fYSnVEEYf8gWua Zpp1E9uAyvsFKFCTQLcs8A910t83rwXIrX2gr6jCxrXhfLjw20QQvE31rkdcdKhPIiNv cKyg== Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:03:36 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:03:36 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for TR4A parts (OD transmission tunnel) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Creig Houghtaling wrote: ...Another thing I could use is a functional transmission tunnel that could fit over an overdrive transmission.... FYI -- same tunnel is used for both OD & non-OD gearboxes. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 13:56:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E276A40445 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 13:56:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A9E4040E for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 13:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVP009KYG8PRWZ0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 14:43:43 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 15:43:35 -0500 Thread-index: Ac7Yzc7UG1t+zYimRtOQzeu2iwAsTw== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 fuel level sending unit and gauge issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How do you test a fuel gauge and/or the sending unit out of the car? I am not getting any readings (no fuel level on gauge). wiring: a) switched green to 'B' side of gauge b) 'T' side - green/black into harness and out to insulated side of sending unit c) black from other side of sending unit to ground at tank strap d) added ground from gauge mount to ground point on center dash (which is also directly connected to frame) about 10 gallons of gas in tank Power on - no reading. I have a test lamp with alligator clips on both sides (indicated as TL below) I have a jumper from gauge mount direct to frame ground (FG) as gauge is hanging loose and not grounded through dash,etc tests: 1) 'B' side TL to gauge mount tests ok so there is juice to the gauge. 2) Ran a jumper from 'T' side of gauge to the insulated side of the sending unit (SU) and another from the ground side of the SU to the same FG as above. still no fuel level on gauge. 3) Jumped between two terminals on sending unit - still no fuel level on gauge 4) Changed gauge mount jumper from FG to SU ground; 'B' TL to gauge mount tests ok so the sending unit is grounded. 5) 'B' side TL to SU-Insulated - no TL; added jumper between 2 SU terminals - TL ok. Is Sending Unit functional? I don't know what to do next. How do I tell if it is the sending unit or the gauge? or could it be both? Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 17:01:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2DC4043D for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:01:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC632403BB; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:36:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lBZf1m00e2QmmGk01BZgEY; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:33:40 -0700 From: "Dave" To: <6pack@autox.team.net>, "Truiumphs" References: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:18:15 -0600 Subject: [TR] Little Rock Nov 15, 16, 17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, all. Ibm going to a wedding Nov 16 (evening). I've convinced the wife to go in the TR6! any british stuff happening? anyone want to meet for breakfast on the 17th? dave northrup dallas, tx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 17:05:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE3F42EED for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:05:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38DD403BC; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:36:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lBZf1m00e2QmmGk01BZfDt; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:33:40 -0700 From: "Dave" To: <6pack@autox.team.net>, "Truiumphs" References: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:01:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] 72" TR6 Engine Rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recommend, and did: aluminum fan base electric fan lightened flywheel shaved, ported and polished head decked block pistons 30 over balanced engine goodparts gp2 cam goodparts triple carb setup (uses the zs carbs) goodparts lowered suspension springs upgraded goodparts front sway bar goodparts rear swaybar goodparts adjustable camber rear trailing arm mounts heavy duty rear lever arm shocks http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/ShockRec.jpg replacement lug nuts (hated that flakey chrome look) http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/LugNuts.jpg brass gas tank sending unit float http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/fordfloat.jpg litezupp L.E.D stop and rear blinkers http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/LIteZupp.jpg digital flasher unit http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/BlinkerEL12.jpg 215/60R15 yokohama tires http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/scan0008.jpg high torque starter from ted schumacher do all this and you won't recognize the car. but YOU WILL LOVE IT!!!!! this car is competitive with a tr6 with a rover v8 in autocross all pretty well documented at www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6 contact me offline if you have any questions. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Rochlin Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 4:08 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net ; Truiumphs Subject: [6pack] 72" TR6 Engine Rebuild Hi List, I'm contemplating rebuilding the engine of my 72' TR6 this winter. I am hoping the collective experience of the list can give me some guidance as to some of the decisions I'll have to make. I'm thinking of getting a cam just a little hotter then stock and shaving the head just a bit. I've been very happy with the performance of the original ZS carburetors and wonder of they are able to supply the increased fuel demands of the new set up. As far as I understand the jets are fixed. Speaking of cams, how necessary are cam bearings? Should I have them installed while I'm doing the rebuild? The engine runs very well, but bit doggie. I don't think that it's ever had any machine shop work done. I did a compression test about a year ago. The results were low of 85, hight of 120. A leak down test confirmed that almost all the lost compression was through the rings. The car burns almost no oil (it just leaks out a little) what other components should I replace as a matter of course during the rebuild? Anything I should look out for? I am long forward to hearing your advice. Take care. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 17:25:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF58840451 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:25:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CCE403E0; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lBpa1m00L2QmmGk01BpbSK; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:49:35 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:48:15 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fw: >>NASS Triumph TR6, Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net from the spitfire list From: kl854@iquest.net Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 5:21 PM To: nass@yahoogroups.com ; Michael Subject: >>NASS Triumph TR6, Help Dear Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts/ Fellow NASSers, I am emailing to ask your help/to put the word out about a TR6 for sale in my family. I hope posting it here is appropriate. Some years back, my cousin's husband Ken bought a 1974 TR6. The car ran, but needed restoration. I believe when they started taking the car apart it was discovered that it had been hit on the rear driver's side. Ken was pretty handy and knew his way around cars, so he started restoring the car himself. Unfortunately, soon after starting on the project he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease. His health deteriorated quickly and he passed away after a hard fight. His wife and son attempted to continue restoring the car. They took the sheet metal to someone who was to do repair and painting. As all too often happens, the guy did nothing and the parts sat for a couple of years until recently when my cousin said "I'm coming to get them, done or not". SO...my cousin has contacted me asking for help. She would like to sell the car. It is apart, needing restoration and assembly. I do not know what has been done or what still needs to be done, but would like to help, and would like to honor Ken's memory by placing this car with someone who will finish it. The car is located in Salem, Indiana, about 35 miles north of Louisville, KY. If anyone is interested, please contact me at; kl854@iquest.net and I will forward the message on to my cousin. If anyone here knows folks from the 6Pack club, please forward this to them. MANY THANKS! Kevin Ludwig NASS #63 Indianapolis, IN ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 17:52:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AED40431 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:52:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F61403DD for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:24:45 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=fqZfJdc9ORcA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=AC4thdqz64cA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=qQ8_LNTz7pYDWhXDXMAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=E6k37eg1NvgA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:57263] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 91/EA-00701-7C8E6725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 00:22:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:22:55 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: Bob Rochlin , Truiumphs References: Subject: Re: [TR] 72" TR6 Engine Rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I did a 72 a few years back. I replaced: Main and small end bearings. Front and rear seal Rings Had the block hot tanked and cylinders honed. They had zero wear. Head hot tanked and shaved a bit to insure it was flat, with new hardened exhaust seats installed. Bronze valve guides. Valve job. Went with original valves. Crank just had the journals polished. All surfaces were at spec. Steel front crank sealing block to replace the original aluminum one which was stripped where the oil pan bolts attach. Also: Flywheel resurfaced. Exhaust manifold jet hot coated. Upgraded thrust washers from Wishbone. Rebuilt distributor from Advanced with micro advance/retard added (like on the 3 and 4) Hitachi SU HS6 carburators from Paltech. (I am SU thru and thru) Didnt want to have to learn ZS. Had the cam journals polished. Did not add bearings. Stayed with the original lifters, rockers, push rods. great oil flow to the rockers. Got a Justin Wagner valve cover gasket. But they are now NLA. Electric fuel pump with regulator. I just finished my 3rd season and the engine runs just great. Oil pressure runs about 70PSI when hot at about 2K RPM. Drops to about 40 - 45 at idle. Runs cool and sounds great with the Bell dual exhaust system. Starts right up and idles at 700 RPM after warming up. I have to say rebuilding a 6 engine seemed easier than the 3 or 4 engines. Bob On 11/03/2013 05:08 PM, Bob Rochlin wrote: > Hi List, I'm contemplating rebuilding the engine of my 72' TR6 this > winter. I am hoping the collective experience of the list can give me some > guidance as to some of the decisions I'll have to make. I'm thinking of > getting a cam just a little hotter then stock and shaving the head just a bit. > I've been very happy with the performance of the original ZS carburetors and > wonder of they are able to supply the increased fuel demands of the new set > up. As far as I understand the jets are fixed. Speaking of cams, how > necessary are cam bearings? Should I have them installed while I'm doing the > rebuild? The engine runs very well, but bit doggie. I don't think that it's > ever had any machine shop work done. I did a compression test about a year > ago. The results were low of 85, hight of 120. A leak down test confirmed > that almost all the lost compression was through the rings. The car burns > almost no oil (it just leaks out a little) what other components should I > replace as a matter of course during the rebuild? Anything I should look out > for? I am long forward to hearing your advice. Take care. Bob > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 18:27:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FCC40424 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:27:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D22F40398 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id i4so6637162oah.32 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:03:13 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=8Mdb7GF0281Me7Qg/QOeK2wwJA5OqWZ+cdXSWLgCsCk=; b=TymL37fJfsQMlyIBFnEfUtrxBB/vdoDnMYJqkvS5cJ99vlRYzDI+5+PlXJ8o1run0t +gAsxVw83UVvJeRGMXTTMFRejKf3lEiQYHtQjSLVuiSLrvMbeOmpQ/YBDy4KzYbHqpxJ YyWVuIqXMbcpJTuzy9BB9PwvZXRYz46S4KPjmyScYzWaY2EfvbOYlZFZnw8UzmZQoxCX GCvm4rdvpfqxw0H9fNKmz2uoZHC0XBltmuElF0vcUh9onmtckyER3WeJ+PGRbjci2QMo 2p+BO8s+oFDdaotfU39CscSvcgGOQpb0mWWoYrRflRXod5cpmxjp9U/jjrcXjKKx1iaF V17A== zd3mr12215781obc.20.1383526992827; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ru3sm28782290obc.2.2013.11.03.17.03.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:03:25 -0500 Thread-index: Ac7Y+apM8KX2oSoYQ3K8mqbC2hgwfg== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] Commission Number Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone know the correct size of punch set letters/numbers one would use to replicate the original commission numbers. It is a 1962 TR4 commission plate and they look like 1/8 inch. I know all the questions regarding legality by states etc. Just wanted to know what the factory size is supposed to be for these. Thanks Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 19:48:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E02540451 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:48:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CBA4041C for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id ld13so4162115vcb.5 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:35:39 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ichTmuUr8aYLML2hIrUdGuiRqzkE3JneIvjhLfNFAWs=; b=M2cHZzZkODDMjBw5HzSgo/b67NfMAyL0uCROlS9tRSF3ZgOqLlwc0klyPfCSpe4EhJ Otq+N03G6VmXPgwCom2ys3JBU89UuXkfWRcHfGS3gc/MPe0twN2v3YroPWb4XjIsGJZ2 BqUewB7ZDXRgzMldCG1AkDjD2L/i+zEutuiavY7rXHwcJUOMlRGEwfZcepNyY+165UFl goXKSLv0Vh3O3qxti4KWkXoEBMOhEkG/iD8wUb+NAPt9kBSX4xBfD93pjt2lb9gC3wWq /dV05+8vMY1/yiC/t+Z/eqFi0UA5EYHPE+OXyL/YgoI7icIb3gTQ08Hqwz7gImXy3Flj TMgQ== i18mr9705231vck.3.1383528939683; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:35:39 -0800 (PST) References: <001b01ced8f9$ab7aef60$0270ce20$@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:35:39 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Commission Number Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe 1/8" is correct -- what is harder to do is match the font. In particular 3s and 4s may be hard to find in the original style. But then that is a very small detail to some. Geo On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > Anyone know the correct size of punch set letters/numbers one would use to > replicate the original commission numbers. It is a 1962 TR4 commission > plate and they look like 1/8 inch. I know all the questions regarding > legality by states etc. Just wanted to know what the factory size is > supposed to be for these. > > Thanks > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 20:35:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF214044C for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:35:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6B440439 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E35F3700000B8 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 21:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.17]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9ED00E000085 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 21:34:58 -0500 (EST) References: <003b01ced8d5$5e5b52c0$1b11f840$@verizon.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m214.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:34:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 21:34:58 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383532498; bh=xheUC6/DqB8YrYF9rITmmAMhROQa7FjF1eXvQydEsTQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ceIvWJu6Id2YJVSo88Jthtgkc3EObybRbivmW0rdJzvRCYEj8Wqw5kAHURxgDnMGj EuVQjmWSbLFGEQdbyS3Nc7fO85St8j0hsFZ5pT676qLRLEgwdTE9/ZRxlaAVvnI6NS jaAkELg5l33bCWsJNrJpxGxOYFF1icPE10QoMz8c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc527707d22e5c Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel level sending unit and gauge issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A TR3 fuel gauge should read full with the green/black wire disconnected and it should read empty with the green/black wire connected directly to ground. If the gauge doesn't respond like this I would suspect the gauge. You can test the sender directly with an ohm meter. Full should be 500 ohms or more and empty should be 50 ohms or less. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: CFM-TR To: ''Triumphs'' Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2013 2:53 pm Subject: [TR] TR3 fuel level sending unit and gauge issue How do you test a fuel gauge and/or the sending unit out of the car? I am not getting any readings (no fuel level on gauge). wiring: a) switched green to 'B' side of gauge b) 'T' side - green/black into harness and out to insulated side of sending unit c) black from other side of sending unit to ground at tank strap d) added ground from gauge mount to ground point on center dash (which is also directly connected to frame) about 10 gallons of gas in tank Power on - no reading. I have a test lamp with alligator clips on both sides (indicated as TL below) I have a jumper from gauge mount direct to frame ground (FG) as gauge is hanging loose and not grounded through dash,etc tests: 1) 'B' side TL to gauge mount tests ok so there is juice to the gauge. 2) Ran a jumper from 'T' side of gauge to the insulated side of the sending unit (SU) and another from the ground side of the SU to the same FG as above. still no fuel level on gauge. 3) Jumped between two terminals on sending unit - still no fuel level on gauge 4) Changed gauge mount jumper from FG to SU ground; 'B' TL to gauge mount tests ok so the sending unit is grounded. 5) 'B' side TL to SU-Insulated - no TL; added jumper between 2 SU terminals - TL ok. Is Sending Unit functional? I don't know what to do next. How do I tell if it is the sending unit or the gauge? or could it be both? Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 11:26:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5628E42EEA for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:26:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005234281C for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from vms170027pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MVR008H239L5GE0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:58:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from 131.247.90.56 ([131.247.90.56]) by vms170027 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:58:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:58:33 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel level sending unit and gauge issue -- resolved (well sort of) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded - also for the images and links to mga guru. seems the gauge is toast. Will send it off for repair. Sending unit is functioning as it should. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 11/03/13, CFM-TR wrote: How do you test a fuel gauge and/or the sending unit out of the car? I am not getting any readings (no fuel level on gauge). wiring: a) switched green to 'B' side of gauge b) 'T' side - green/black into harness and out to insulated side of sending unit c) black from other side of sending unit to ground at tank strap d) added ground from gauge mount to ground point on center dash (which is also directly connected to frame) about 10 gallons of gas in tank Power on - no reading. I have a test lamp with alligator clips on both sides (indicated as TL below) I have a jumper from gauge mount direct to frame ground (FG) as gauge is hanging loose and not grounded through dash,etc tests: 1) 'B' side TL to gauge mount tests ok so there is juice to the gauge. 2) Ran a jumper from 'T' side of gauge to the insulated side of the sending unit (SU) and another from the ground side of the SU to the same FG as above. still no fuel level on gauge. 3) Jumped between two terminals on sending unit - still no fuel level on gauge 4) Changed gauge mount jumper from FG to SU ground; 'B' TL to gauge mount tests ok so the sending unit is grounded. 5) 'B' side TL to SU-Insulated - no TL; added jumper between 2 SU terminals - TL ok. Is Sending Unit functional? I don't know what to do next. How do I tell if it is the sending unit or the gauge? or could it be both? Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 11:41:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A6242EF5 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:41:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D80A403E0 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2013 18:33:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.96] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2013 18:33:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2013 18:33:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383589983; bh=cQT9Gz0iIFuUrJme7gMBVfm/ZZNfTAhr/GgEBKDwVBc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=Xug5COnVPIa/yWvROUA94TwjxNeftUPjnAdNsjF9LpYuQTqUPYXXCdpkBZtDh5f8a3QiKaWmBAUCTdissY0m4k9YYLREV4U17mfElhVkLUvO0Zb6iDbR4VoN5jGEhKsPSTRre0YhkeUlhz+6NRyPGjiffdkDKbHrVYbUTsAgmdU= FZN4BzSz6aFRsWKrlKryf3F9YFhKZ7DbiBlrjdh6ytLSok8ql8MUaGtC9vtG 4nYen1oCkEcIJB5TqpOyztW5rLxKCHhor6ms5ymnhfqIMFmCau6YuU3QL.hk vz_cXjObe1zmoJ.ucvs7ps9JGZ1gX6pUTj6UFTIU2URP4.kdriW6uQO3Poke J0WnB1Tag2XtGeHoEWdIV.0pzdKSb9UonY_krfFAJtKjs1VlHTiFLAfURVAS WnuQeGe3z1_UxjU05C.W_4NCNBuVqeyvl9rN9PmiTgKzYsvj4BmRSJI.U7M8 iFJ51svROjpbeXH6MJcQ5GW7WaeSAVjx4SPcCiAREsoWeaT53A3sLPvpisf3 7IZIWsgxJMcs9tb9r8l5mJNKvAHWFjZeJj.TpBC5kYJww_q6y_kguU4drLXt DmCws40uPbTyl9DA4x_idVUdLcsyNPDAU6OV6LRGyunkDI1Ha03ayt505Wb1 BNFZnk0_X96mJqZvpS.yEfy.NQniQLMKTes2dzTTA9vsrXUUbe0I88IAe9kO ypUk8T4EGJ8Demra3sGbDxUuaz2Kc7Y7SVa_U3S1gghWD3dEDgXQpC.hDr78 4PyK3LN31BIP3VpHpiULlMDsVQuzF.Ik_2tK1AYIoaWHYXCgg4fpQRxEr4_R GS6f4CtXR4MwnFOTL_GJnlxzkLCrMUTqDnHngqHrQku86CNPTOiIwQDYVl2b xlN.MJNC5rHxm smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Nov 2013 18:33:03 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Carl TR'" , References: <22427760.928670.1383587913076.JavaMail.root@vms170027> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:33:09 -0600 thread-index: Ac7Zi0V/QLAanZGcSGmfcA9cLthhBAAAPJ7A Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel level sending unit and gauge issue -- resolved (well sort of) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Be sure to send your sending unit along with the gauge so they can be tested as a set. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:59 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 fuel level sending unit and gauge issue -- resolved (well sort of) Thanks to all who responded - also for the images and links to mga guru. seems the gauge is toast. Will send it off for repair. Sending unit is functioning as it should. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 11/03/13, CFM-TR wrote: How do you test a fuel gauge and/or the sending unit out of the car? I am not getting any readings (no fuel level on gauge). wiring: a) switched green to 'B' side of gauge b) 'T' side - green/black into harness and out to insulated side of sending unit c) black from other side of sending unit to ground at tank strap d) added ground from gauge mount to ground point on center dash (which is also directly connected to frame) about 10 gallons of gas in tank Power on - no reading. I have a test lamp with alligator clips on both sides (indicated as TL below) I have a jumper from gauge mount direct to frame ground (FG) as gauge is hanging loose and not grounded through dash,etc tests: 1) 'B' side TL to gauge mount tests ok so there is juice to the gauge. 2) Ran a jumper from 'T' side of gauge to the insulated side of the sending unit (SU) and another from the ground side of the SU to the same FG as above. still no fuel level on gauge. 3) Jumped between two terminals on sending unit - still no fuel level on gauge 4) Changed gauge mount jumper from FG to SU ground; 'B' TL to gauge mount tests ok so the sending unit is grounded. 5) 'B' side TL to SU-Insulated - no TL; added jumper between 2 SU terminals - TL ok. Is Sending Unit functional? I don't know what to do next. How do I tell if it is the sending unit or the gauge? or could it be both? Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 15:13:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFAB40531 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:13:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C44403F3 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:02:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id lh4so4961364vcb.4 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 14:00:45 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kPH7ZGx3ZhGFx+Wti6VCNooH5oonae3tbKwq07oyFks=; b=BxioPQho5Rb6u5GwFOEvvEcx9sks4QXqzlNormVYehppOIJazGuB2faB9Y/iqwUUvA wDdo8FVh0rX2GZq8niTS9eH15DkE0shWbUebfXur78fZcEpSUS/u5BTL9exILam9tkiU z89ZA6WbgT/saCbYYegM/ibNs1V2S26kvSMMhcoQncYKkjR2xceHL9CNugrO9cA4L5/R APFJM8Nnk49G8rxf5NaWy0L5ILWTDxelblhPTqvdgAF8tZkEyV4uTWoe5tyAsGfkw0p0 fa+OJU7FnzSPuuwoA7mkd9xVfa9kTl+5iqtKpiQqHwazJiHBdf6/iRZaWoLKR28QIte5 d8rg== d20mr1551600vdj.33.1383602445375; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 14:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 14:00:45 -0800 (PST) References: <001b01ced8f9$ab7aef60$0270ce20$@gmail.com> <1383598684.78757.YahooMailNeo@web171906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:00:45 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: John Macartney Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Commission Number Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John -- I, for one, will never again look at those commission plates without thinking of those lads and their sacrifice. Geo. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:58 PM, John Macartney < flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Jim > > Sadly I can't help with sizing issues except to say they weren't always in > the same 'font.' What I can tell you is all commission plates between about > 1946 and 1975 were hand stamped by a small group of five men who were given > jobs at Standard-Triumph immediately after WW2 by the then CEO. I remember > all of them (though not now by name) and they were employed because of > their horrendous war injuries. Two, to my certain knowledge got badly shot > up on the beaches on D-Day (6 June 1944) and were seriously disabled, one > had been an RAF fighter pilot with indescribable burns and two had had a > very rough time in the PoW camps in Burma. It was an incredibly boring job > but they all did it assiduously until some years past retirement age and > while the spacing and positioning of the letters and numbers may not have > been absolutely precise, they rarely, if ever got it wrong. > > Jonmac > > PS Totally useless information about the query but I thought some listers > might appreciate the story that lurked behind? > > *From:* Geo Hahn > *To:* James Henningsen > *Cc:* Triumphs > *Sent:* Monday, 4 November 2013, 1:35 > *Subject:* Re: [TR] Commission Number Question > > I believe 1/8" is correct -- what is harder to do is match the font. In > particular 3s and 4s may be hard to find in the original style. But then > that is a very small detail to some. > > Geo > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, James Henningsen > wrote: > > > Anyone know the correct size of punch set letters/numbers one would use > to > > replicate the original commission numbers. It is a 1962 TR4 commission > > plate and they look like 1/8 inch. I know all the questions regarding > > legality by states etc. Just wanted to know what the factory size is > > supposed to be for these. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jim Henningsen > > > > Ocala, FL > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 16:02:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4CC4041D for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:02:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D41403F6 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:52:51 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=fqZfJdc9ORcA:10 a=82SPyw3MwmYA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1EDG7JrXFfgA:10 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Vo1cjchdTNkcVyMyE58A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=mhLR9BFM0bfkKPTP:21 a=fyhhCJ1W9UEN242n:21 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:43120] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EE/E5-09301-9C428725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:50:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 17:51:14 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: John Macartney References: <001b01ced8f9$ab7aef60$0270ce20$@gmail.com> <1383598684.78757.YahooMailNeo@web171906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Commission Number Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John, I have the original plates from a 57 TR3, my 58 TR3A and my 63 TR4. I think I will try and make a plaque with those plates and take your text written below to sort of give a history caption of sorts for my kids, who will get the cars when they put me 6 foot under. My dad was in D-Day + 1 and everytime I see footage of that operation, I have to wonder how he made it to the beach and into the countryside alive. He survived wounds received on D-Day + 2 and married my Mom, who he met while in rehab in Birmingham. Thank you very much for that posting. Bob On 11/04/2013 05:00 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > John -- > > I, for one, will never again look at those commission plates without > thinking of those lads and their sacrifice. > > Geo. > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:58 PM, John Macartney < > flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> Jim >> >> Sadly I can't help with sizing issues except to say they weren't always in >> the same 'font.' What I can tell you is all commission plates between about >> 1946 and 1975 were hand stamped by a small group of five men who were given >> jobs at Standard-Triumph immediately after WW2 by the then CEO. I remember >> all of them (though not now by name) and they were employed because of >> their horrendous war injuries. Two, to my certain knowledge got badly shot >> up on the beaches on D-Day (6 June 1944) and were seriously disabled, one >> had been an RAF fighter pilot with indescribable burns and two had had a >> very rough time in the PoW camps in Burma. It was an incredibly boring job >> but they all did it assiduously until some years past retirement age and >> while the spacing and positioning of the letters and numbers may not have >> been absolutely precise, they rarely, if ever got it wrong. >> >> Jonmac >> >> PS Totally useless information about the query but I thought some listers >> might appreciate the story that lurked behind? >> >> *From:* Geo Hahn >> *To:* James Henningsen >> *Cc:* Triumphs >> *Sent:* Monday, 4 November 2013, 1:35 >> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Commission Number Question >> >> I believe 1/8" is correct -- what is harder to do is match the font. In >> particular 3s and 4s may be hard to find in the original style. But then >> that is a very small detail to some. >> >> Geo >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, James Henningsen >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone know the correct size of punch set letters/numbers one would use >> to >>> replicate the original commission numbers. It is a 1962 TR4 commission >>> plate and they look like 1/8 inch. I know all the questions regarding >>> legality by states etc. Just wanted to know what the factory size is >>> supposed to be for these. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jim Henningsen >>> >>> Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 17:04:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8926A42EEA for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:04:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944F5403F8 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:40:54 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=U2a9UvtaZOZnCEv6usNA0afo48f2p2YEORi2wKVtseUQWhrYUhYzBi9kvIHEczSb; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VdTcn-0000w7-Ow for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:32:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:32:08 -0600 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <32285483.1382272706586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Car trouble in Hannibal, Mo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All, I want to thank everyone for their suggestions on what could be wrong and to give an update as to the actual cause. But first a couple of things I tried. Tried popping open the gas cap - no help. Checked the wire on the Pertronix plate, I could not get it to indicate it was broken. Replaced more of the gas lines. Then I took off the top of the fuel pump, thinking I would check the screen in it. There was no screen. But then I noticed the problem. drum roll. Only one of the valves was in place. The other one was laying down on top of the fuel pump. So, I took the pump off, took it apart and tapped the valve back in place and then staked it. Put the pump back on and took it for a drive. It ran fine. I think the only reason, the car was restarting is that the tank was full and providing some pressure to help fill the carbs. The valve must have finally fallen out at the time we were getting gas. Roger Elliott On 10/20/2013 07:38 AM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > We have been driving my wife's TR 250 through Ohio for the last week. It has been running great until we stopped for gas. > > It started out fine, but as we were pulling on the highway, it didn't have any power and then died. > > > I found a vacuum hose that had come out I put it back in and it ran fine while we drove a short distance to a restaraunt. But then, we we got onto the highway, we drove about 3 miles and it ran out of power and dies again. > > > Hoses were still in place. I replaced the fuel filter, checked 1 diaphragm. It was okay. I thought if only 1 was bad, it probably would not die. The fuel filter was full of gas and seemed to let the gas through. > > > Oil pressure was good. doesnt'seem to be electrical. > > So, I have 2 questions. 1) Any suggestions on what it might be? > > 2) Any suggestions for a shop in Hannibel, MO? > > Roger Elliott > 68 TR 250 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 18:32:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8EE40424 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:32:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F7140046 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:30:54 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=-M0FdlImnPMA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gHGzJHNBo8fvzbEYWr8A:9 a=KeXCmmi5l4Q8PFvq:21 a=G8SH66tXDXoLG5qy:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=OU7hge7VPoGRoutTleQA:9 a=GfYutRySmyjzzmJu:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50269] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 9A/5B-28666-DD948725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:29:01 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:46:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, I would like some suggestions on trouble shooting a overheating problem. I have just recently started my 1967 Triumph TR4A and while it runs fine, I have a overheating problem. A little background first; 1. Rebuilt engine which included boiling out the block. 2. New 6-vane water pump. 3. 14 inch electric "puller" type radiator fan. 4. thermostatic switch plumbed into new stainless steel down tube from water pump to lower radiator connection. (closes at 97 degrees C, opens at 67 degrees C) 5. New 180 degree thermostat. 6. Radiator was rebuilt with new core. 7. 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and distilled water Symptoms; I start the engine and it warms up quickly and within 2-3 minutes the temperature gauge is on "H". The top of the radiator is hot. the down tube is cool so the thermostatic switch won't close. What I have checked so far; 1. Removed the two wires from the thermostatic switch (control and ground) shorted them together and the electric fan starts. 2. Removed the thermostatic switch, tested it and it works fine. 3. Verified that the thermostat works. I am down to suspecting that the radiator is somehow clogged up but would like to make sure there isn't something I have missed before I do that as it is a PIA to get out with the electric fan wired up. Any ideas?? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 18:49:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313BD42EEF for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:49:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8854740411 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131105013730.ECIN18907.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:37:30 -0500 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.179.172]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id lddV1m00M3ja9Wm01ddVRF; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:37:29 -0500 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=wsTQxnWILl4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=eUU912OpqIMXHeHS3d0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=5cwfjVjbLrDlWE7F:21 a=z8Cb9i2ITNuP-I2y:21 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Dave Connitt'" , References: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:37:32 -0800 Thread-Index: AQGtILNQu3EEIWP2zW3ikqALV7ihGJpZTbFA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net How much water actually went in? Sounds like an air bubble in the rad. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 4:47 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A overheating Hello List, I would like some suggestions on trouble shooting a overheating problem. I have just recently started my 1967 Triumph TR4A and while it runs fine, I have a overheating problem. A little background first; 1. Rebuilt engine which included boiling out the block. 2. New 6-vane water pump. 3. 14 inch electric "puller" type radiator fan. 4. thermostatic switch plumbed into new stainless steel down tube from water pump to lower radiator connection. (closes at 97 degrees C, opens at 67 degrees C) 5. New 180 degree thermostat. 6. Radiator was rebuilt with new core. 7. 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and distilled water Symptoms; I start the engine and it warms up quickly and within 2-3 minutes the temperature gauge is on "H". The top of the radiator is hot. the down tube is cool so the thermostatic switch won't close. What I have checked so far; 1. Removed the two wires from the thermostatic switch (control and ground) shorted them together and the electric fan starts. 2. Removed the thermostatic switch, tested it and it works fine. 3. Verified that the thermostat works. I am down to suspecting that the radiator is somehow clogged up but would like to make sure there isn't something I have missed before I do that as it is a PIA to get out with the electric fan wired up. Any ideas?? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 19:19:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351BB40551 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:19:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1626C403F8 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:11:58 -0700 (MST) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=wsTQxnWILl4A:10 a=xo898K18kZqnES5SPrcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xn_AI9Dnp_SCObaG:21 a=M6vHlkmM0B9BWuEh:21 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:3060] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 39/55-01931-D7358725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 02:10:05 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <612B220C8F40429E986DE8A420557F55@DaveLaptop> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:10:03 -0800 thread-index: Ac7Zxr23pi21IpijQJuq3X2zdsJjPAABHGWA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, Like you I initially had the same problem on my new engine startup last month, and it was the thermostat. I verified it by actually watching water come out as the engine heated up. BTW, the normal temp range for TR4A is using a 165 deg thermostat with a 4 lb radiator cap. The 180 will obviously make it run a little hotter. Johnnie > Hello List, > I would like some suggestions on trouble shooting a overheating > problem. > > I have just recently started my 1967 Triumph TR4A and while it runs > fine, I have a overheating problem. > A little background first; > 1. Rebuilt engine which included boiling out the block. > 2. New 6-vane water pump. > 3. 14 inch electric "puller" type radiator fan. > 4. thermostatic switch plumbed into new stainless steel down tube from > water pump to lower radiator connection. (closes at 97 degrees C, opens > at 67 degrees C) 5. New 180 degree thermostat. > 6. Radiator was rebuilt with new core. > 7. 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and distilled water > > Symptoms; > I start the engine and it warms up quickly and within 2-3 minutes the > temperature gauge is on "H". The top of the radiator is hot. the down > tube is cool so the thermostatic switch won't close. > > What I have checked so far; > 1. Removed the two wires from the thermostatic switch (control and > ground) shorted them together and the electric fan starts. > 2. Removed the thermostatic switch, tested it and it works fine. > 3. Verified that the thermostat works. > > I am down to suspecting that the radiator is somehow clogged up but > would like to make sure there isn't something I have missed before I do > that as it is a PIA to get out with the electric fan wired up. > Any ideas?? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 19:20:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277B642F29 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:20:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A963D403FB for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:12:04 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=wsTQxnWILl4A:10 a=8V89QK7maIoxqkzxBGUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:57293] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 50/65-01931-08358725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 02:10:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 2:10:08 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave Connitt Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I start the engine and it warms up quickly and within 2-3 minutes the > temperature gauge is on "H". The top of the radiator is hot. the down tube is > cool so the thermostatic switch won't close. How hot? Is there any chance your temp gauge is reading way high and the engine isn't really overheated? It can be hard to tell the difference between 170F and 200F just by resting your hand on it. But at 170F you would expect the thermostat to stay closed and block flow through the radiator. The upper tank still gets hot from conduction, though. If the top is definitely getting over 180F and the bottom is still cool without the fan running, then you clearly have a circulation problem. Could be a clogged radiator; but they rarely clog up all at once so I would be double-checking other things. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 23:07:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9F840439 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:07:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC772403FB for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:06:48 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=wsTQxnWILl4A:10 a=upU_s3gV7DPPhKoWN0EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 95/22-09301-68A88725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 06:04:54 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 22:04:55 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7Zxr23pi21IpijQJuq3X2zdsJjPAABHGWAAAe6gqA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > BTW, the normal temp range for TR4A is using a 165 deg > thermostat with a 4 > lb radiator cap. There is a service note dated April 8, 1965 that describes an 82C (180F) wax pellet thermostat. According to Piggott, 82C was standard, but some cars were fitted with 88C (for cold climates). Piggott also agrees with Moss that the radiator cap was changed to 7 psi during TR4 production, and all TR4A had 7 psi. Apparently, they never updated the workshop manual with these changes. Note that the change to 7 psi did not happen at the same time as the filler neck change, so there are 7 psi caps listed in both 3/4" reach and 1" reach. Obviously you want to be careful to get the cap that matches your neck. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:01:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC95D4308A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:01:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122FD4304C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:38:52 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=m62oNRbisdAA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=ErPYEQbEdu--T70n5McA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9szaIu6ueGgA:10 a=NRPZHyT4t50A:10 a=8oPCV43mKJo4hzsyODAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50466] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 59/00-28666-A1C99725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:32:10 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:31:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tonight I did a quick test of the temperature guage with a cup of hot water and a digital themometer. At 170 F water temp. the guage was about 1/4 of the way across the movement. Seems kind of low to me. I will try it again tomorrow night just to make sure I can rule out the guage. It's starting to look like I need to remove the radiator and take it back to the shop. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:47:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684124318F for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:47:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB504305B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:39:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:37:15 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:37:16 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - How is this possible? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, Got myself a brand new vacuum gauge, so I am doing some tuning tinkering this week. I have managed to get the car idling with the SU HS6 throttles being completely closed. How is this possible? How can any fuel/air make it into the intake manifold with fully closed throttles? Stay Frosty, Guy D Huggins ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 20:19:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FD6430FD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:19:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6E43044 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:17:35 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=XleNUCyP02AA:10 a=buWaqJ5w39YWsPlc-XcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:47638] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id A8/A3-07922-F44B9725; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 03:15:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 3:15:27 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, "G.D. Huggins" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - How is this possible? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > How is this possible? How can any fuel/air make it into the intake manifold > with fully closed throttles? The throttle plates never seal perfectly. Perhaps yours are worn (or misaligned, etc) enough that they pass enough air to idle. Or, maybe you have air coming in some other way (like through the PCV valve), and the mixture is rich enough that the leakage past the plates plus the external air is still a combustible mixture. Leaking float valve, maybe? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 09:24:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BAF43175 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:24:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9385430F7 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:01:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 07C7F700028E8; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mhc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.194]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AB26CE000085; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:58:25 -0500 (EST) References: <74A9BC56B8664D4A9BB1CB37969FD8C3@DaveLaptop> To: dconnitt@fuse.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-vm016.sysops.aol.com (64.12.255.132) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 10:58:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:58:25 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383753505; bh=+9NhmHZlAcUDwXuNUWg9vI5FD4tXwhgBgNMrS4ZIU7U=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dBH3b9taIVmbw/FV9RN6l16ZzcTBRjUmNoG9j9AHVZMJxLFy8gIX2/03v8K+n0Y7/ thDS29UMnbAvr0U9xD+JJB0k4tkV7ROvT4AJzo6ZQy2dJZRBxs5L1aZMCdZqitsKtI 5uaoX2lNHz77G7RibBWSvSSTl+TS4/5zRV4XTD0U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a527a67216398 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, how does this compare to the way the gauge reads when installed in the car? I can't help but wonder if your sender is bad, which is a reasonably common problem. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt To: triumphs Tonight I did a quick test of the temperature guage with a cup of hot water and a digital themometer. At 170 F water temp. the guage was about 1/4 of the way across the movement. Seems kind of low to me. I will try it again tomorrow night just to make sure I can rule out the guage. It's starting to look like I need to remove the radiator and take it back to the shop. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 09:47:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1E5431B7 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:47:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out.cybermesa.com (mx.cybermesa.com [65.19.2.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5AB430E1 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:16:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-76-26-105-128.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [76.26.105.128]) by smtp-out.cybermesa.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 60EA91FCC5 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:14:41 -0700 (MST) From: Robert Noyes-Smith Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:14:40 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 1961 TR3A for Sale $26,333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We have to sell this restored TR3, affectionally named by my wife as Lemondrop. You can email or call me at 505-821-4369. Please only serious enquiries, Thank you, Rob. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Lemondrop Sales description Oct. 2013.doc] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 13:24:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0626431A0 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:24:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C6E4313D for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.191] by nm32.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 19:46:01 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.196] by tm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 19:46:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1083.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 19:46:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 5657 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2013 19:46:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383767160; bh=+g3o9g5OS0ffITduNkvb7ultVEFCyfmVdMAWY6xQQDM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RZuQYPCMdVfPOHofno8N7pxDXTfdCXqRgZIuUgRuBFoJnsaHQsY3v0fJ4FHegaNKmXmZNEJYuMui5hL/utcHiMJDbYLxYhvqiFklE94fJoIHNMJ1eur8GuM+hXIBwDbQpRHhkDhxL94S0q4YCsrxfohhvqawnv1znO4JvGoCPb0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4JNxU7DGIe7/6vHVSnwW7BFwPCCpC6Jl4qlWe3DljhKu4Y0L6Tut/itjKpcvj/5d7J6cfwik4Ssza+OvuiDwEBqPmhqVQUGO0TQGa38Zker0xVobEyrgiPQCit/SEWzb+tqTnLMctB6nwkoFZSdcjtTSinmtXUhWm75c8uIBt2Q=; zw9tecTDqTuyo1oGZKDLA51XVF0R4QJcJSIRESILk3CX4BvaxOGuU4rrhEuz ghtoA9vjBpH58o8lsLdbtvOGzm0rxRyd9Vjsl2pvvxfttO3k_r_Ta.v1LTj9 guViZyKZsc1fdaiPyUoiJ4TOff_Yp7APGWTJ93svfYxmGw.RyBeFiqx8Xgw7 Sv2n2Grw_Pr2lRz4Em4xWj.erJNYOZvSsQ24ovwNP._LYK6ZJc6pjFVtvSnN hFIGVQXEP1iBnA6jSMTYyZmqKOObbSYVrO2Jyw88NRdp.FUBJ99LnlhSHeoo ornfnnFxpcw2YdY_x5QIpRA._bh6QK_lGenxDQ6jdzL1.Gfj5Q.GVdm24Oh9 C76oOgLkCXMG5zEpLDQp_fejQ6x0tDgtiMNK3bdoNrLaGdVQjsSN3M1sCiek T7EkMk0tHp2MwtTzpvWWgbYwUgD1EFnm_rtUBuzfHxBxg5fElfRCLWKYeM9T uNhVbjw44zs5t.jfAL8UPwNWS5YCnMXOkYb4hQ_ULAIw1OGew48af2CpfGHO EfOYRD5VU_QCMC44- Received: from [50.78.67.10] by web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:46:00 PST SSBoYXZlIGEgcXVlc3Rpb24gb24gdGhlIG51bWJlcsKgIHNpemUgZm9yIHRoZSB3aWxtb3QgYnJlZWRlbiBrZXlzLsKgIFRoZSB3aWxtb3QgYnJlZWRlbiBrZXlzCmxpc3RlZCB0aGUga2V5IGxldHRlcnMgYW5kIG51bWJlcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBGQSwgRlAsIEZTLCBldGMuIFNvdXJjZSBzb21lIE5ldyBPbGQgU3RvY2sKa2V5cyBmcm9tIHNvbWUgVm9sdm8gZGVhbGVyc2hpcCB3aXRoIGp1c3QgdGhlIGxldHRlcnMgIkZQIiBhbmQgIkZTIiBzdGFtcGVkIG9uIHRoZSBibGFuay4KSWYgSSBhbSBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIHABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: Pete Groh To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Number size (key blanks) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a question on the number size for the wilmot breeden keys. The wilmot breeden keys listed the key letters and numbers for the FA, FP, FS, etc. Source some New Old Stock keys from some Volvo dealership with just the letters "FP" and "FS" stamped on the blank. If I am out of the printed key blank by code number, can use the un-cut blank and cut the key to code. Advise the car owner I will be unable to stamp the ###. I have made inquiries to car owners in the UK, looking for the stamping numbers. Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 04:39:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2CB4303E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:39:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B9E42FB1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 00:19:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.39] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 00:19:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 00:19:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383783559; bh=b/9y51bUa9CSbm+8ev543tXe4CMoMofWR3vN1DMw/4Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=N6E+jRZfnQqth8jk59QVqICZHdDagLx1b4575z5Jt34FMSo7AmnVILbtIRPCnSnwPLfgMsfMWtjKySksCioUXO4Fo+vUYhULDDpg0K1ntdR/cYp2VkBchp85Y9m5FbgfPj25HYTUMAEAlCXLwYl7vF6y1Dr4B0a7ZDcWXT5Yr00= Xz3NA46MFvFo5Akj0hHOqtwm.Si0YttH3h0_vif7CDwVPUP4RWLd6E274UhY 2JLHFjLAjzzwKZblfok7Jp5zHbHTdgsyfTy1AaU39loF58oP7MiS_uIqdFji _3IP5aj4_6F1g_sPuA7_pJQecofJuYuhsi2lHiFuenpNIeZ2EjgTbWzsYeAu ka7IsekFKGFbZZmolNSEqz5HTc1x.7jDpLgIKo2L2B2MpOca7ipjct3WFLSX x3EiQdKV6A03r4qF01GMvZlqZPujLS_xc6jU5zANMbzKUAe1gr1A_SPnQdWz xIUOqf63Rf.7WKnxTtYp6qSW_6rdy5Jf01PQflatGg8WRYzmOjSsqR5nP6vm tC876f7wGVtPQS4KtTf.i_TJhqBDeM3gshgzdz9_Kszx0KKp6iu3uvVUBzVW RjuWCIYmj6ffN5xQVseIiOyCUodK4XnWWxXsvoik70RC4dZPxRftoZcoAzjK i7KoHP4T6kNSw.q4jDIVit2v3vTVgIJPrcmpz2X5wGhcj88QwbVoTcXtxKDj cEP8BWcQzrNl9fCE- by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0800 PST References: <000b01ced12c$bb761f90$32625eb0$@rr.com> <8D09F642098E742-994-11193@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com> From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:19:16 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, I am just starting chassis reassembly on a body off restoration of my 1965 TR4A. I won't need interior trim panels for a few months, but noticed what looks like a significant savings on a trim panel kit on sale from TRF. The seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard and the covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not. I would appreciate comments from anyone with experience/knowledge of this product. Thanks in advance. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 06:26:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55743035 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:26:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD5742F68 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:21:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ia6so349504vcb.7 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RDRpyHDyCz6bpizp1uI2l2JfCrMLZY/st/lXi8Bcs+4=; b=KPUOWjE3NAIStT8JsS1baqcigWzZqv6izcSJGuCoF/+lB7VedflvENl35NJDL25bF8 Sf+M+aZE7l+7X6yFmABdYUELISw2RFF1VbpsbchcTXJAnEN0hCllMbu7M7uyj2G+XUPO KyHPaEIMorRsTuOsT4xZuQtv/Awr0Rda9OBfUGyI+blSTCndg/nfQhkTrWfSdMWfrn8z rVO5RFrtp0wxFBZknbHFkSVSwDga/rA8B2eAWl1Sb3b9Gs/yyMA/8Q6Bo155pHeW1U/2 EIQhD8KB2lu5SVp7267eQf5gxL4SZNUnk7qMmS1uXF/ZwFnIBy+MK9aCAE47mhm/wMFf dcmw== Thu, 07 Nov 2013 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) References: <000b01ced12c$bb761f90$32625eb0$@rr.com> <8D09F642098E742-994-11193@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com> <36EB5F79-7AE6-4F3F-8AD0-182297080FB2@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:19:53 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:19 PM, wrote: > ...seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard > and the > covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not... I do not know that particular TRF product (though their attention to detail is usually pretty good) but the construction you describe sounds like the originals to me. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 07:43:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6A5430F8 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:43:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA9142FB6 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.73] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp230.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 14:41:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383835260; bh=JMQPZSTFoF2JOAoL0AbfzO4QjsoPOt4UEBrjU/ei/14=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=wqLwtsK6yRtpIwZX9AooE8Sy83T5KSDW0lf6sbE0yUYf3bAfVX2NbuoF1a5DocSbg3FiRbesFvDVFBHvOB5FNRUJyPZVw/P6bH6kW4bEpcdDtyJMpSEN7R5tz7KMb842hM6fPppeDROJMgNntjjPE4dOYot5oJgv+Ooj6vGk7rA= SLWgMo07ASbvRJ.sJ68W3n6gUaGDoYVbSr5N6wNrxDYutERM_ibSuZceJGSA Mxo1He43_H5d3sMLiPFmciWJSqxx3q4dKqaNRUeliS2j8q9F.uba1CLG0oaf GwHCtWtvhNUUWwBtKD9KSCWV.TjHjKzn6fzyB3ehj_lzsAAPuYNB7SCCjfSE yYVxpQTn2BRKoVmE9NDi.pDWqRrUCp93mmMd9Fes0A0TZllBxBg5nzJ6bfSZ BG1c.vq7CJTjpnMc2vg1WaP_RL6CdjEcVUA2m2nHVZ07VW3I1hG9DG4jBYoC 8xchb.sVTp1AoNfizd0CvHPyinq5j2iWhVak7ZQTMk162lZi8fK0UM3WedLn 45qkmocq9B6kjFOwgCj_tKFY4Bqh8kgGHtibHgFC5hKLd7wIvZO1eRKeRy3u sPNEEwmsTaAPefdrN_YZM6Fp7lS3T.YCuq0dyXt8cmcy5Hyos6buSVNzTJVl NFPfBa0xWf9Xp_ErbZBbXHSMBQwepFYIUZVaB.X_119TFIFpAxlP7tdNFkaR PXjLTYvRAklXUQc0qxoBLciQqhV9rm5oX48PCftrZ_WnY6ncsBPmguR1k smtp230.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Nov 2013 14:41:00 +0000 UTC References: <000b01ced12c$bb761f90$32625eb0$@rr.com> <8D09F642098E742-994-11193@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com> <36EB5F79-7AE6-4F3F-8AD0-182297080FB2@sbcglobal.net> From: WBEECH Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:40:57 -0600 To: "john-marie@sbcglobal.net" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have the complete interior from TRF for my 3A, excellent fit and finish. I too took advantage of the special pricing and bought it long before I really needed it. Keep in mind they can take up to six weeks to ship some items. I am currently waiting for the same interior set for my 3B, but the body is not back so it's not a big issue. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:19 PM, john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Hello List, > > I am just starting chassis reassembly on a body off restoration of my 1965 > TR4A. I won't need interior trim panels for a few months, but noticed what > looks like a significant savings on a trim panel kit on sale from TRF. The > seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard and the > covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not. I would > appreciate comments from anyone with experience/knowledge of this product. > Thanks in advance. > > John DeLuca > > Sent from my iPad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 12:46:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC3543245 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:46:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B1740521 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:27:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 19:25:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.167] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 19:25:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1078.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 19:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 23613 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2013 19:25:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383852309; bh=dYdfkGsFEoXIjKYVGemR1sXXajkNsLmxxY+TZVS/M88=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yjS5ZU3U9gnNPFN9UbuNTUkZDgqB+oDN5CLN9pN4tj8pptCuaa1NVCJuFHBu27uwmWZp6RATR0JGA/9o17ArhPiz3p2mKYiMQW59JsCeGLHREmHJCOT9NE28DgFOaK2rgeGssR/hqNg0JGoFhuRwQjPY3IUzvuN8Vs6NCpwlrTw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WTDw9lmONZ3a6XQwUF1QLfLsLKVHPtTH1/gwpuZaUqqjjrnQ1K+CisPxL+REisXUrR+eMOI6lxOKgb7nXALGrbJ4PxVBq4OpQleSctmni5cctUdOO8olGDZMGJOVIdWrmgNrAzpZddxk6M0e+Z1SeU4ujoD7qepEd8IwO0J2SJU=; 86N.UH_j5R4QXUrGi2XT8LFlNQgXU00zZXNOpji86b9v8mv4kI7iIoYxLj9N jH5iaNx99egV70pRX6j0utbLa.giyvtc_Baj0sJpO_3YsMOIZQYkVwU2ntGF rW6aDMBMGw0Z6pcNbJuoUrgDZZOTZ7VaKeVabfe1zheMU8y2Qg3dXighGs7u oxPuRhGCqsibIEUPeDQaWRqok3iipby3DIMAyzEmkVjm9Fd2kLa04eCWe0Y1 WoVGnSU5W877Hl04IENEm5LEEp2ZM2JHwjsWeV0Hg8neBg_1.lm2D4c1baFA uV4XmorJtJ5i.VwmLZqBwB.gqg_dNBP.mFVyZZ4TcDj5KPmxI7rnaPT_OJRJ zPMoksG838r1QJl6ivBeR.y.pmVb5LPl36CaO_qrC405e8ncC.6q_sk93DNr vUcvg7GRHjDYvFGH2Pn4fVBTXry70Pu1ZhzunTbtUm90vXvj8vEeo.4pvh69 Y4H4hb8YA5YSGyQgpNbn8Q2Rs3u_yaM_P3iOOaaHF7IPM6o6FMa2MUAb1OGh Leia3HtCtYksZh6jLVueXFKY7_g-- Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:25:09 PST bmV3bHkgcmVzdG9yZWQgdHItMyBoYXMgYSBNZXJhZHluZSBoZWF0ZXIgaW5zdGFsbGVkLsKgIFRlbXAgZ3VhZ2Ugc2hvd3MgMTgwLTE5MCByYWRpYXRvciB0ZW1wZXJhdHVyZSBidXQgdmVyeSBsdWtlIHdhcm0gaGVhdCBmcm9tIHRoZSBoZWF0ZXIuIAoKCkkgYXNzdW1lZCBhbiBhaXIgYnViYmxlIGluIHRoZSBoZWF0ZXIgY29yZSBzbyB0cmllZCB0byByZW1vdmUgdGhhdCBieSBydW5uaW5nIGVuZ2luZSB3aXRoIHJhZGlhdG9yIGNhcCBvZmYgdW50aWwgdGhlcm1vc3RhdCBvcGVuZWQuwqAgVGhlbiBJIGxvb3MBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: triumph Subject: [TR] tr-3 lukewarm heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net newly restored tr-3 has a Meradyne heater installed. Temp guage shows 180-190 radiator temperature but very luke warm heat from the heater. I assumed an air bubble in the heater core so tried to remove that by running engine with radiator cap off until thermostat opened. Then I loosened the inlet heater hose at the firewall untill water seeped out and also did that at the firewall for the outlet, attempting to bleed the air out. Before I got everything finished the car overheated and coolant boiled out. Shut everything down and let it cool, added more coolant and installed cap and am gonna forget it for now. Oh, during this process I also had the front of the car jacked up high.....hoping this would get the radiator resevoir above the heater resevoir. Drove it around for 15 minutes and still lukewarm heat from the heater. Anyone have suggestions or more clear instructions on next move? I do have the skirted thermostat. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 13:41:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F668435AC for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:41:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07BD403EF for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mf0k1m0011smiN4A2kGl3T; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:16:45 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mkGl1m0052yr1eL8gkGltL; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:16:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:16:45 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Robert Noyes-Smith s=q20121106; t=1383855405; bh=z6hHXN0hIKqlyKbYihwTsIkBnPisWRJA05fY4J8e9Do=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dXTqTUbQllAdb1i23uhmwbfDYTSb1Yy5VO4KsZXhE2U7A9/Sffb7CxP0v/pY3Lz88 sK2zsaA7fjvcRrOBU9SSGsVvE2+q/cBCwj4ZO5TBjbP3JSvY41mRQlx2Cii/WJMy5H uAVUcZQvqkfVhP7sJMFNwTUO5oGjt89MDUsNCn7DxjEsmBo5J22jwKbOueix9Gtc7O nnqLsK4d/t7iRkd1oCM+dqdfSZf+bL4sCJq2H5DF6vDXYRHAvlR0lop98fVc2QnfeM ORvBd3vQe4aSWnuG58cp5lJWnV2vPaA5H5/OGcYkZkChOwR1bK9h/LabLhxmbPQqq/ zZgXMGkws73kg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 1961 TR3A for Sale $26,333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As the Realtors say: Location, location, location. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Noyes-Smith" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:14:40 AM > Subject: [TR] 1961 TR3A for Sale $26,333 > We have to sell this restored TR3, affectionally named by my wife as > Lemondrop. You can email or call me at 505-821-4369. Please only > serious > enquiries, Thank you, Rob. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 13:57:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C8A430B5 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:57:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DB8430D6 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:26:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [71.173.204.33]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVW00JWYU11UGD0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:24:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: , References: <000b01ced12c$bb761f90$32625eb0$@rr.com> <8D09F642098E742-994-11193@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com> <36EB5F79-7AE6-4F3F-8AD0-182297080FB2@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:24:44 -0500 Thread-index: Ac7brboyYToNmoIbTf2rwlKRuGKU3AASPvMw Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John; What they are trying to tell you is that their product is manufactured exactly as original. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:19 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Hello List, I am just starting chassis reassembly on a body off restoration of my 1965 TR4A. I won't need interior trim panels for a few months, but noticed what looks like a significant savings on a trim panel kit on sale from TRF. The seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard and the covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not. I would appreciate comments from anyone with experience/knowledge of this product. Thanks in advance. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 14:19:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C504313D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:19:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03A4430D6 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id w62so1110747wes.35 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6vInOWvUgHLIr53OWp2xZAa+R0flh2QBrf0DaWMgKKY=; b=AWuAcgLLY77fXeYmhLOS1acUrDvABc8ODJfhHrX6RLnLj8Qe/+DouOgSFCVeehNmJI FZRN//sHMlrFjEP2pDiCt9L0dsieReG7vrBMlxSXqtUTyzYwBo58k+kR2l+4i0LW+egb z/jjNfDH3GrdAoq/iRenV/xnouHn2/TzJumc2RzHzFT2KaYIfNVwFfbbirICXu6f+Tdi ZA/aU9WVuc8BMvrOg9Jev+FiB2qRM7OuKxxGsiE9TLH0iaa8OjpHenXxmbv2B2+3+/Vu fUp8b9MVOoNEssMBmrEkpNlC5gJZ4zQHP0PQW+/LvdMOFn592mHn0gL4VPnqM6KyJjJM I+Xw== ci10mr4292145wib.41.1383858013255; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.136.241 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:00:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:00:13 -0500 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My bright red TR4A panels from TRF fit that description though they're now 20 years old. I have no complaints about the TRF panels. They're indistinguishable from the construction of the originals as far as I can tell. Some of the repros have stiched seams which is not what the originals were and they don't look as good IMHO. All the panels I've seen from the other vendors were also made of vinyl and fiberboard. Ben....... > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:19:16 -0500 > From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net > To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" > Subject: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels > Message-ID: <36EB5F79-7AE6-4F3F-8AD0-182297080FB2@sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello List, > > I am just starting chassis reassembly on a body off restoration of my 1965 > TR4A. I won't need interior trim panels for a few months, but noticed what > looks like a significant savings on a trim panel kit on sale from TRF. The > seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard and > the > covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not. I would > appreciate comments from anyone with experience/knowledge of this product. > Thanks in advance. > > John DeLuca > > Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 14:20:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE5743596 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:20:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486B0430D6 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:02:42 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=R2wO2Rqi0dYA:10 a=nwVnqslJEzP59U8LU2cA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:48449] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 93/8D-01931-C5FFB725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:00:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:00:12 +0000 From: Randall To: triumph , Gary Nafziger Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] tr-3 lukewarm heater Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Drove it around for 15 minutes and still lukewarm heat from the > heater. Anyone have suggestions or more clear instructions on next move? I > do have the skirted thermostat. Assuming you made at least one pull up past 3000 rpm or so, I really doubt that an air bubble is the problem. The TR pump produces plenty of head at higher rpm, and should be able to blow bubbles through the heater with no problem at all. Instead, I would be looking for anything that mechanically restricts the water flow, especially the return tube along the LH side of the engine. I've seen several of them now that were almost entirely blocked with sediment. Also check that the tap on the head is really open, and so on. With the stock heater and ordinary heater hose, the hoses tend to kink on top of the heater where you can't see them. I'm not sure how your Maradyne is configured, but it's something to think about. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 18:02:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B046C43228 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:02:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD0042EF0 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:38:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from node-1152.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.244.128] helo=[192.168.4.103]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VeZha-0008VN-7N; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:13:30 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:13:29 -0500 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Nov 7, 2013, at 2:00 PM, John DeLuca wrote: > > Hello List, > > I am just starting chassis reassembly on a body off restoration of my 1965 > TR4A. I won't need interior trim panels for a few months, but noticed what > looks like a significant savings on a trim panel kit on sale from TRF. The > seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard and the > covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not. I would > appreciate comments from anyone with experience/knowledge of this product. > Thanks in advance. > > John DeLuca Original seams were heat welded. Backings were fiberboard. Coverings were vinyl. The TRF ones are just like the originals. One of my cars came with an interior that I believe might be a Moss kit and the stitched seams look very strange. Keith Stewart keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 02:49:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F28340431 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 02:49:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm21-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.108.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CAD4042C for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 02:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [77.238.189.239] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 09:45:29 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.125] by tm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 09:45:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 09:45:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 7872 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2013 09:45:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383903928; bh=KqTC2bcqPUrh9SOb1QX9i7wNEN7+hAa4FdH9sgU4NrU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QJm3XKK1TbcZw/56HC9eTjk92BCfy6zVMnGf6rSjmU0mss5JdrzuAFnhb6GnHRa5uB/xhMz5Kp16opLGUIXNEEUqRazzWBEbTXZGR5unI6OeAawFQ7KK9Bb1GsIdlUMFhLA3GoHIlhov9LEvgLFnZCGC6kVoVCisfHsqu2Ul80w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XM7lhG8OGpg8BGEDXXnfaxFymtpu6o4pMmbn0TrWnU0rwJGDkp8pVSJsEc33UclEpmAfzI+7yNKiMYwYHIZ3//60fIwrIL1y0T0Syx/NK5Q+BC/pzfdDClqPHOaeeCN1Mj1iqfU9WdW2TkhOtGJdVW+o5pN2qiZ/+6b7uPVUQrw=; 94llXHN8AWfein6uNWYSPAGj33_J3y_Plsz7ph4RqZmP_Yx2n44ba7.D8e6i 550gqgeZJcuNDmgwmGzrYqL592o.vsXCtSE1If1zwrHyjrhSO5DNVndFzDnY 1faFiQoGj53aeeWghIfdEjtzE02Vf.3RezbkibdUSZPsSedyzD1KjW5TxCe_ vq4PpU51HwypPsWRvsUHchGy8WdWT3ldIKj.ptLZ0sAth8qShurljtp22mfs H6TwCoIzlhoGrHDtnmB73GIu1gluXr0HBuHk64HEqscBo30nwVDjR5RX2ulk oq1uuEaWwlbCCtdVX2XUmnkzI7S2unZJrOd96MCwkSm6ccUtocQHIOQDAjvO TbymZZ3zmS8n2Uq9cCO1mxwGXfRxi9xDiscTs4zzrG_Ji_PUGjlpyqCm5wzK gFN8ZtYsQ7.MLGG6V51hedciZ5mar2MfqjIl6Pspxu6VHBSFHh13zCZDUHvK sR7kdydQLa0qUPWRE413ZBgRg3_3kA.i7pmaBztfQjnGu5Zie5juDIjnMZG4 hp7G9f9JGF_xYJxcVeNs2NalCmXX5U5q9hraJopCIcNiTArWWvuZyob0po0N OQkBNjD7XQJ.Zta3OW3lfEqwpugR7JmT0BnSyrZxw0hb5 Received: from [2.124.180.211] by web171904.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 09:45:28 GMT VGhpcyBIZXJhbGQgKGNhbGxlZCBhIEdhemVsKSBoYXMgYmVlbiBmb3Igc2FsZSBmb3IgYWdlcy4gT0ssIGl0IG1heSBoYXZlIGZvdXIgZG9vcnMgYW5kIGEgZGlmZmVyZW50ICdsb29rJyBidXQgaXQnbGwgYWxzbyBjb21lIHdpdGggYSA5NDhjYyBsb3cgY29tcHJlc3Npb24gZW5naW5lIGRldmVsb3BpbmcgYWJvdXQgMzhiaHAgYW5kIHdpdGjCoGp1c3QgYWJvdXQgZW5vdWdoIHBvd2VywqB0b8KgcHVsbCB0aGUgc2tpbiBvZmYgYSByaWNlIHB1ZGRpbmcuIEJ1aWx0IGJ5IHRoZSBTdGFuZGFyZCBNb3RvciBDb20BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:45:28 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Chapati and poppadum, Michelotti style Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This Herald (called a Gazel) has been for sale for ages. OK, it may have four doors and a different 'look' but it'll also come with a 948cc low compression engine developing about 38bhp and with just about enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding. Built by the Standard Motor Company of India and for sale there too at a rather too high price for a Herald of any sort methinks. Perhaps not a Triumph of which most people's dreams are made? http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/car-advert/standard/gazel/1974/1489 60/ Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 05:43:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486CA4314A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 05:43:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011124040D for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 05:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 230E77015A08F for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DF3F1E000086 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:38:23 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383914304; bh=4QIJI3bbVCIIbPJkELRX7ggBxJ89w78x4VniBnUZKgc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pAO3cdjQfIW5lfvKHsOqIFo0CbcU2SXAPqvqbNy2wFO1N2W1TZj0KdWHQhWNEgNLf 6kBdl/wQZKc8XdtbYwJe+57RwRfp+0g8m7IXTu3OFHK5w1NcZH6e24nE2rs3F+bHEB UGcpYoP7iitc1z/QJJlIPaNRnDuEABRRK5YFURL4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb527cdb3f2945 Subject: [TR] TR6 prices going up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ladailypost.com/content/gift-triumph-tr6-keeps-giving Well, maybe. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 07:30:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E23F40418 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:30:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCA74040A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:12:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c11so1961394wgh.21 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 06:10:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=KxK0bCGITk4wLoXEbxS3Py4o2S6Zkjmj/XmkD9ICblk=; b=mC8Drgfdh95wgk2Y9w/7hwBKg00V4zdnMF1SRhKwrUaVZuqGJvtz7B0yiO4YhrpBhW hHtu0pfmCq1JRp/MffXMxLb3PbCTwzMjsS6znxfn/fo89Pt0BH/sHuDAYc0th1g8DYg+ FDhZFJXgkHlpR/nM4gM+M07RGzrQ4YuiAr4iktHZV62wOlrHuMhbmMYV7ASmom0w7lQU LCRVNyxynImOS6Mz76wdJpKSY5wXnTCbm0e7w5EmHvaUjAWvduJd9Z5Rzy8ssSLoHFtw QsjbNGhk8Nw//mlcYoAY0Yu5P21D5XE4Sz0q3i1wsHUx7kIauxi8lF0JDyxUjIQD0TE4 66ow== hi18mr2463140wib.53.1383919839926; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 06:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 06:10:19 -0800 (PST) References: From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:10:19 -0600 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 prices going up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I'd have thunk a livery more like Gegor Fiskens GT3-R would have caught your eye. Just imagine this on your TR6... http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/fiskens-tartan-porsche-gets-on-track On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM, wrote: > http://www.ladailypost.com/content/gift-triumph-tr6-keeps-giving > > > Well, maybe. > > Dave > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 08:45:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1536C403D9 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:45:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B369E40414 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.101.132] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 15:41:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.39] by tm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 15:41:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 15:41:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383925308; bh=Gsx7ARBI/Q9eQOPSEuZo2xXuP2Cu+qFXeLt7kFKzVL0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=3A+qFnhjCqxZRDnA1WZ5rAktD9I9x9n8W84VYPQ9+BW6zkjwmMJVHnfGNUX6OTRw2ozfZatGBP9w87N6MH7v7BcW4C4YRlJigVlludZx6UZHSXAkL9n7sehn4qvL53lrYPfmgoFmYrqgY7PeS/1irJlcxfroyGETYLRPRPQKelg= vG2KUEdC8Z_MH0Yyhu4azZB4Bw47xR_z8XVbh0bF5bZiY5Ibud7a2hixz.RI HAMDX4oDaGIwpc.GjBaCLJk3AZMr.mGOebJ8_ltckdw0XMJdaVzX0mxfBxRv xoypEB7ystR6dPRiNA4GqWDaAnN6_k0iKKjDrPYAVgxue_818.oFtbBhpPW8 ZRrF56tIPVS._puCgO6bxSXZ3J64u7jiumqihyFeXPqeEp9oH2SfFfV1o3Ji U1YB1SX0EzDblugAUf.akvUx3UNDB4AY0Z5CcQqwW4Uf5SAxRWD_TACzxw_w _JxRCGbeOFJZ7b0mdXIV7FfA1vK_wNbaeSzQDSbWfDfJLRhUiO0J5CT5Hiy7 WC__hAz2gSUgbbK_xE6uw7efU1qbBfQ.xiRdbDYPwrIwIYuR_zL0DiYKqJDw Dlu7LpQQElYnmy8qofIVt2SwpJpTGDDKTXdcBcYqA04KrZwWtbmRhRp_HPjM pzkZ7XEsYOioSJCPdi8ADXGUGjXegilTOY8Ow7ErKO4.kvXkLBVfXTp_CL0Z suT.net_zZgRdFZk- by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Nov 2013 07:41:48 -0800 PST References: <21E786C2-A5F7-4625-AB66-3B17B7097E2C@execulink.com> From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:45 -0500 To: Keith Stewart Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A interior trim panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded. I beat the sale deadline and ordered the TRF kit. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > > >> On Nov 7, 2013, at 2:00 PM, John DeLuca wrote: >> >> >> Hello List, >> >> I am just starting chassis reassembly on a body off restoration of my 1965 >> TR4A. I won't need interior trim panels for a few months, but noticed what >> looks like a significant savings on a trim panel kit on sale from TRF. The >> seams are heat welded, the door panels are constructed of fiberboard and the >> covering is vinyl. Not sure if these are big drawbacks or not. I would >> appreciate comments from anyone with experience/knowledge of this product. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> John DeLuca > > Original seams were heat welded. Backings were fiberboard. Coverings were vinyl. The TRF ones are just like the originals. One of my cars came with an interior that I believe might be a Moss kit and the stitched seams look very strange. > > Keith Stewart > keithstewart@execulink.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 13:11:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1584323D for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:11:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from que31.charter.net (que31.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E250642ADC; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131108191837.DKAI10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:18:37 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id n7Jd1m0021UBpzb057JdKB; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:18:37 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=5TBqA2XlGiIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=EHeorUpjx4gA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=bbtDYQp2AAAA:20 a=mkuR5niSAAAA:8 a=6vmwgZ8cpuR69dGft4wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=B2gniwenppsA:10 a=Nx62yfjEEQgA:10 a=BV8KyS5z4u0A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=CmZAb5Q-b8LDmxeI:21 a=85hynXXW3NyxTeB3:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=Abz-b9OqYYbftccw758A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=nF2zOJznBo69-Ir9:21 a=XR61XBP_1pFhlSSC:21 a=OzD4EB_5Z-dfov8F:21 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Truiumphs'" , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <002201cedbee$b4395a40$1cac0ec0$@net> <002e01cedbfa$73125010$5936f030$@charter.net> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:18:34 -0500 Thread-Index: AQLzFEsbsItm7VQkmi0wUCS42j838AF1XczOAjbky+KXteNmUA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] FW: [CTR] FW: Brits - FW: SU HIF6 Carburettor needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers - From a member of the Connecticut Triumph Register. Contact Kevin Craw directly at his e-mail address shown below if you are interested. Alex Thomson From: CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevcraw@optonline.net Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:19 AM To: CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com Cc: CTRIUMPH@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CTR] FW: Brits - FW: SU HIF6 Carburettor needed Hi All- Anybody need a parts car for a TR 6 project? I've just picked up a '71. There's not an easily-salvageable body panel on it. I couldn't see the frame as the weeds were too high and it was raining, but based on the ventilation in the floor pans, I'm just guessing there might be some structural corrosion as well. Hate to roll it over for scrap, which is why I got it, thinking someone in the group(s) could use it. Car's here in Wilton, CT. Please spread the word. Gotta move it before the snow flies, so the old line about 'no reasonable offer refused' certainly applies. 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Terms of Use . edesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1> Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 17:30:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353394319D for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:30:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65206430E0 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:25:07 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=m62oNRbisdAA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=-ynn0VHclbbDgY7BR-gA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=77wotdN2i7eoXBXgJTMA:9 a=3A8Dv_dJDJhMref2:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50667] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 3E/81-28666-F508D725; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:22:55 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:22:32 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think I may have discovered something interesting while tracing down my overheating TR4A problem. I did a calibration test of my temperature gauge and discovered that if I immerse my temperature gauge sensor in 150 degree water, the needle stops about 1/4" or less from the "H"? That can't be right?? Does anybody have any suggestions for what a "centered" temperature gauge needle would represent in degrees F? Or, should I shoot for 212 on the "H"? Anyway, I think I am on to something here. The engine never really "sounded " hot if you know what I mean, no leaking hoses, no wierd whistling sounds.. Man, I hope this is it?? Anyway, let me know what I should adjust the gauge to read. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 17:53:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03960431C5 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:53:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A1A4003B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:34:21 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=m62oNRbisdAA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gXcPXWttrReeorD2WdgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=QS_QUvYWbX8A:10 a=BBiNIa3mCeMA:10 a=8LKd73-G4HRUd_-BRxEA:9 a=howHOl3THF9QjneS:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50067] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id B6/06-28666-9828D725; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:32:09 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:31:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A Overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I just came across a resistance to temperature table and I can use that to adjust the movement. Just have to get some clip leads to connect the meter out of the dash. I think I am on to something here with my temperature problem. Will post more once I get the gauge mapped out. Man, I hope this is the extent of my temperature problem. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 18:11:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B39430E0 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:11:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D7940414 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.8] helo=mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Vewf3-0003S1-9w for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:44:25 -0500 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Vewez-0001cG-TR; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:44:21 -0500 Received: from webmail05.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.5]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id nCkN1m00306ZD2201CkPU4; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:44:23 -0500 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=2EVDkf3JOckA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=5QQH9ZZAa7wA:10 a=547amcEdEA1QnIdoYM8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=VvFq4pgRw0hsDbru1LvkIw==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Vewf0-0000UL-M0; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:44:22 -0500 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:44:22 -0500 References: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:44:22 -0500 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Dave Connitt" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR3 temperature gauge was marked off with numbers. The first mark was 90 degrees, the center mark was 180 degreesn and the "hot" mark was 230 degrees. I would think those numbers would correspond to your gauge. 150 degrees should not even reach the middle of your gauge. Do you have a working voltage stabalizer? It might be reading high if its getting full battery voltage. Greg G. Oseo, MN > I think I may have discovered something interesting while tracing down my > overheating TR4A problem. I did a calibration test of my temperature gauge > and > discovered that if I immerse my temperature gauge sensor in 150 degree > water, > the needle stops about 1/4" or less from the "H"? That can't be right?? > Does > anybody have any suggestions for what a "centered" temperature gauge > needle > would represent in degrees F? Or, should I shoot for 212 on the "H"? > Anyway, I think I am on to something here. The engine never really > "sounded " > hot if you know what I mean, no leaking hoses, no wierd whistling sounds.. > Man, I hope this is it?? > Anyway, let me know what I should adjust the gauge to read. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 18:21:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CD5431AA for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:21:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7DC43152 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c14so1872534vea.7 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:56:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Kl2rrXOd7GgU39nGdmxzDKrnDDWMs1zU2v3mw8H5WuI=; b=A3CYdKyc6UKMUfhmfEOjeNGYsS/7pIKjkAMd+skIV40tGjKM+hMrwbnOJgpc1Snng4 2c7SUt1mFaINdz7SquWvBiW2f9xgz8j03S3tN9ZOUSl3KpQkZGvIZwJD/StssZ1ayUua +y8zgFrsaNMuref6+eL95upB9B+2qFkWEpTHSdSrMd8PsL6EwkHBLPhl6nAG9i6ijHZ8 xMUb+2uPOMJEcgt6JBI3BCIWXMzSE3eai4wDXuvZRv4D62QRyJACWS+I7OnFwp5oNNjh d48ISq3AExl5+2wYmwTyJofnOFXcqBtq8vruoTg568q5Zv9ZnaGHb7z5qdTuGmWjfTpO 0jaQ== ym16mr472956vdb.39.1383958563113; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:56:03 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:56:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On a TR3A the middle of the gauge was 1850. On a TR4 it was 700C which is 1580 but I have long thought that was wrong, possibly someone doing the math and getting the parens in the wrong place -- 5/9 * (185 - 32) = 85 whereas (5/9 * 185) - 32 = 70. The first equation is correct of course. Of course, the problem could be in the sender rather than the gauge -- there were several similar looking but quite different senders available. Geo On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I think I may have discovered something interesting while tracing down my > overheating TR4A problem. I did a calibration test of my temperature gauge > and > discovered that if I immerse my temperature gauge sensor in 150 degree > water, > the needle stops about 1/4" or less from the "H"? That can't be right?? > Does > anybody have any suggestions for what a "centered" temperature gauge needle > would represent in degrees F? Or, should I shoot for 212 on the "H"? > Anyway, I think I am on to something here. The engine never really > "sounded " > hot if you know what I mean, no leaking hoses, no wierd whistling sounds.. > Man, I hope this is it?? > Anyway, let me know what I should adjust the gauge to read. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 18:22:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D0343550 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:22:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF64843152 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id jw12so1260932veb.6 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UDFSphaDDH8wcqGOxm43NrBO0zZBISyBmeovukw30MY=; b=MfZzbfIDGboNUoy2n67VClT0O29DxD2Ol7llA9YzbDaxLljU5Dd3zwvKjW2Qwr82oW 0byFJGnjQZbDGOHhq8IWxssFJVVhqo8peih2bynPkrzEbtQaf2u7Qr6NAVJhzwvOJtva HrT1s3or3hXSvQmQY1L/+toxkRvun5dGzhLpFsKFx3fA2HLBEbvome9KI6BuRcxIoYBI yo3ZaKxBr39TsKgEdMG1wuF676WnKYRH4t8j3+xA+d9NQopGaDy3iCaI7DgJA2wYmeAr LhCfp+BM/bx1bAs47zY3oT27Jw2ppCr0FeHHQQlDOGctvLuEbmjgUgn7jBBwFKcW0t7V UlYA== Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) References: <2D3CEA14376247E88B6A6FD854629424@DaveLaptop> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:58:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I just came across a resistance to temperature table and I can use that to > adjust the movement... Of course with an ohmmeter you can also use those numbers to test the sender. Wouldn't want you to try to calibrate a gauge to compensate for a wrong or wonky sender. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 19:39:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E401843207 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:39:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A4D403FC for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:19:33 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=5QQH9ZZAa7wA:10 a=AVLaXz8uAAAA:20 a=AlZvnFymAAAA:20 a=8PxYraK9UMZuuNKfjdMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=HFfg720c9cAA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:44697] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 0B/08-00722-62B9D725; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 02:17:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 2:17:10 +0000 From: Randall To: Dave Connitt Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just to echo what others have said, there is no way that 150F should show past mid-scale. > On a TR4 it was 700C which is 1580 but I have long thought that was wrong, I agree, they certainly don't seem to read that way. To complicate the issue, some early TR4 came with a gauge marked in Fahrenheit, which ISTR had 180F marked in the center. > Of course, the problem could be in the sender rather than the gauge -- > there were several similar looking but quite different senders available. There were even different senders for the TR4, for the "flat glass" vs "curved glass" instruments. And to make the situation even worse, most vendors today supply the same sender for all situations. This has been a particular problem for the Stag community, as the "one size fits all" sender makes the original Stag gauge read quite high. The good news is that the later gauges are externally adjustable, so it should be possible to calibrate the gauge against the sender you have. Kind of a tedious process, and you'll need to fabricate the tool to move the adjustments but doable. Here's a photo of my tool (which started as a 1/4-28 bolt and was a practice exercise on the lathe). http://goo.gl/ihDJEN Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 19:40:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC93843516 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:40:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4DA40408 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:22:49 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=W8t7mgqmAwUA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=gCL1-BW7TTwA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=joJ6GfvYkGggQOwprvQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=itfaSngZn3k3hDwhRdgA:9 a=cTXf7dWn6hrA0soX:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50718] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id D3/B3-00922-4FB9D725; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:20:37 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:20:13 -0500 Subject: [TR] Another update on my TR4A temp. gauge Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I removed the temperature sending unit and got myself a plastic cup full of water, my digital thermometer and my ohm meter,, oh, and the kitchen microwave.. I ran some temperature vs. resistance readings below; Temperature (F) Resistance in ohms 120 197 130 164 140 135 150 112 160 95 170 84 180 74 190 59 200 52 I want to check out the voltage stabilizer but since the fuel gauge seems to be working OK that should be fine. Tomorrow I should get this working. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 20:09:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86834316B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:09:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840BD4040E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 04B88700308D4; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A1BDDE000085; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:49:46 -0500 (EST) References: To: dconnitt@fuse.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m235.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.173) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:49:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:49:46 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383965386; bh=ulBEEJU4PVB6JCfWrYOPI8vXlEY4zSzTTiDcs7vKROk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tCx00bkAVYuvLhcnCu7+w3OF0ETnTkWE28IMwSmrWqfqrIEvy9oGg9CZfU+O9VPAu J1slOqcLLGIzMIcQ4H6QVgxy6laVZiRJN2GxOC2LYRcMjad94Qd1qmOJC7psCHk030 wcHTjMyCkh7YmAbReTe7nden2mit10K8M4i6LGsk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c527da2ca7bec Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overheating update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Have you verified that your voltage stabilizer is working? This can be verified quickly with a test light or voltmeter. Connect the voltmeter or light to the temp sender wire and see if the voltage is flickering. If it is steady your stabilizer has failed and your gauges will read high. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt I think I may have discovered something interesting while tracing down my overheating TR4A problem. I did a calibration test of my temperature gauge and discovered that if I immerse my temperature gauge sensor in 150 degree water, the needle stops about 1/4" or less from the "H"? That can't be right?? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 14:42:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4425740548 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:42:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F677403E8 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:41:38 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=2yc6AOEumPgA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=W2Gn7Kzla90A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=Aou-k7xrh3BUlQmKFTwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lXVIs4oj8pFT3hO3oS8A:9 a=hp1DqQXf2rWdozZL:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50728] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id A9/EA-00922-A8BAE725; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:39:22 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 16:39:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A Overheating problem conclusion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I FOUND THE PROBLEM!!! Last night I had removed the temperature sensor and basically profiled the thing using my digital thermometer, my ohm meter, my wife's microwave (thanks honey) and a plastic cup of water. I started at just under boiling out of the microwave which was 205 F, then recording the resistance at 200, 190, 180... down to 120 degrees. This morning I replaced the sensor, started the engine and with my trusty spreadsheet handy, I just connected my ohm meter to the sensor and watched. As the engine warmed up, the resistance decreased. I have a 180 degree thermostat and that was my first trip point. Sure enough, at about 190 the top of the radiator was getting hot so I knew that at least the thermostat was working. The resistance started to stabilize and still reduced but much slower as now water was circulating. Then as if my magic, the thermostatic switch in the down tube cycled on! I could watch the resistance go back up as the fan cooled the water and the fan turned off. I waited a bit longer just to make sure the fan was cycling on and off and it works prefect. So, now I have to recalibrate my temperature gauge to my temperature sensor and I should be OK. The radiator I have installed has an additional row of tubes which helps too. Thanks to all for your suggestions. Regards, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 07:32:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C117642B41 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:32:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0BC403D9 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:31:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2013 14:31:13 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.151] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2013 14:31:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2013 14:31:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 83557 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2013 14:31:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384093872; bh=HSzPgSCZlDd34R+v/OWnWEr4UVMi/PU8UtSyptqprV0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uOae7wnP5YcHkyWmF1c6y/29erw3Sm1YpPAxCz96mj25OLlEgCro3heBQUuA5V39cLPUw2QgJfpWIYozZy03RkrRrxRKAVHQHDa4VPA9+jP52lVa0XMUU5UFpQjb2QOUhrXiY+HIr3XuOyBID3Tf4AYllqQThvDG11c9UjT8mFg= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u1auThSJMY5YTLCym48XV8H8rmMdN8lCVIMkXOvdA0KqYM6l0n9gcCuggCLv51rkXfSx+EhBALeUuyiRpvTCfV/jcoznlcu1s8zHn8+VjsG9d/u+px1IiqLtIMB2c1gy69byzhwdjcaJguFkZVMHSYb2njrRlZrgiy/3Y37qrWg=; ocqId1mhXAyxdAga11fNBWVDijnjZnT2WVYVQ2o3Tpi625BhcCNXt2yC6D_k 0YbHLtvf87FtwiXyzYBMExISibtPBNqKGCF2c8SphKVyE_8viFFk_5kYjoZW h5dBd.waXxuUTtgZSbkLcsBF9nuBhPYspdog8BIVjqn_Hz3FMl3BPoNc8EhE wK8_nDblU3_LCgfeiA.r_1QdT0rQQJhuv2GgKri31GuaBEdKjvwsp3pMyv4. 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I have a greater chance of a Sasquatch sighting than finding a Renown manual. Anyway, I found this website where a guy has scanned manuals and printed out one for the Renown. They have free TR3 manuals too. http://www.google.de/imgres?hl=de&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=J7LrbCu5ku 90iM:&imgrefurl=http://www.vitessesteve.co.uk/Servicemanuals.htm&docid=lEC-i_ mPwHISNM&imgurl=http://www.vitessesteve.co.uk/images/WiringDiagrams/triumph%2 0roadster%201948-1949.jpg&w=1519&h=1815&ei=llNYUpq0Auy10wXji4HYAw&zoom=1&iact =hc&vpx=4&vpy=175&dur=4200&hovh=245&hovw=205&tx=64&ty=150&page=1&tbnh=151&tbn w=126&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:80 Probably old news to listers. If anyone has any Renown parts or stories, let me know. Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 08:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE19142F51 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:01:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D69C42AC2 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:01:15 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=7xjUflPn_FQA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=f4lwZZh8afUA:10 a=KUxuKR8tAAAA:8 a=dbD55G9lAAAA:8 a=TkWStqweyeIYNVXROmkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=gPL_bpbL0uAA:10 a=XVNYZUr-Xp0A:10 a=0EyODpJ9ntt6jWPx:21 a=ZOUVAtoMb7uiGhQD:21 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:51066] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BA/6E-01931-8AF9F725; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:00:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:01:23 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1384093872.83129.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Manuals Online Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, This is news to me. Save the link. Thanks. Bob On 11/10/2013 09:31 AM, William Brewer wrote: > I have been trying to find a manual for my 1952 Triumph Renown. I have a > greater chance of a Sasquatch sighting than finding a Renown manual. Anyway, I > found this website where a guy has scanned manuals and printed out one for the > Renown. They have free TR3 manuals too. > > > http://www.google.de/imgres?hl=de&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=J7LrbCu5ku > 90iM:&imgrefurl=http://www.vitessesteve.co.uk/Servicemanuals.htm&docid=lEC-i_ > mPwHISNM&imgurl=http://www.vitessesteve.co.uk/images/WiringDiagrams/triumph%2 > 0roadster%201948-1949.jpg&w=1519&h=1815&ei=llNYUpq0Auy10wXji4HYAw&zoom=1&iact > =hc&vpx=4&vpy=175&dur=4200&hovh=245&hovw=205&tx=64&ty=150&page=1&tbnh=151&tbn > w=126&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:80 > > Probably old news to > listers. > If anyone has any Renown parts or stories, let me know. > > > Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 08:26:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0044342F49 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:26:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B6F42F24 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:26:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2013 15:26:02 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.151] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2013 15:26:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2013 15:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 21814 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2013 15:26:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384097161; bh=iOKbvMRMri3k9XqrKJ886YVU33v4MSZIuUSvBYCxJrQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tzhQHjtVU1Dcfn/X6CqPuHG/KkJxMur239P6D96XXE6LTNwSAx4Gkdrune3wXTVnGhewfZJho3rDf3hb1a45RhCBj9NHsOYe4+lvs3SjZR8isYKawlQPfQvR2mSMB6tAwZNV1I9Sl8Cu6niF5/xFr3Rl9lVVHNkrgIom01RUAQY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x+e82I+tHbxCBptsmGw0Xjnsvee0LDca2c1cOi0ZbxETWZ05tqwejRLBjiyU226dxCDzqW3wfXQsZYJyPaBn3UMlNOSVnwxdzfiW4aOssQfqES+nknRvIU9J22TcpLF0U6Rtr9XDidNs70dplsicJsr9pR7Y3+EjoUGHjk31eHg=; EJ6_Q9FVC9lVlHdAz2dd_PFYB5CJ8XczsTkWpeiVPyHzguFWM_Q_e6Du.xyU lqZq6Y5sA0aDfeQtVeBxbr8G97DLEwGkX1X6LDpjfUtoQFIj.eVHgSCSoY7F VNgnLZSvgd_1YnYMjJZL3OpYDg6B0jK5_9MO70FWzZqkzbzoZF3v13pGA0XQ V81o5_PBOwUg3opq.esbCHGI2_yGK9ZYsGByiZDTFB8Yv6.X55PeBznzdYyL bnyfXy2utk2EmvssPArFBo2FekWHkUr0I_.Eh_Y1lVgvUeD5SxyHhGhqRi4D .wUlcyTovOyDUZ_i6Okb_zERWpxd5k_6QTuUEhnT9jfIjL_OExOy8qZskZDs Tr93p_yy6REc1G2kepCZBGDQMhCJHOFI5xa.Yurul.hTZkxjmhfNIbQX7vwu f3BJzGUTcwdRQLrUXQ1.GAnMhyCUWXrWRTAbemA.HpmEQXcHEpGMHS5x8J96 BXODdE9g.MbsEK_4c8IhdpdnWsEcHMUaEhdYo6H7bGZNhXl3HbYOmhTUBSkx 7c5uStWJeky2uuP0JQVMB330aE516DIsV0c5W9cKqZk_XdPJhxBYQshfZbmm w3DnG75MD4av3lnNGLtlhvloNzHsjqQ2Yb6lIVaVPt2jky_zKmD5H_qmQari EuCH6Wr0BFicrKyaDRzsDlGsP_AWFN5pSSKSjq3gbbhz0DfHlwfJ47F7QeIG h1Y6sF7IS151lKSfPza7Z.XKNDtnAP4.ZkV2Kk6nY90eJzM_r1o.xEpvNVR1 isEu2iQMsSri6ymPtX_jcYPWK1uBucJJojiLG Received: from [108.220.116.90] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:26:01 PST wqAgwqAgwqBNeSBUUjMgbWFzdGVyIGN5bGluZGVyIHJlc2Vydm9pciBjYXAgaGFzIGFsd2F5cyBiZWVuIHByZXR0eSBrbmFja2VyZWQuIEl0IGxvb2tzIGxpa2UgVmlzZS1ncmlwcyBoYXZlIGFsd2F5cyBiZWVuIHVzZWQgdG8gb3BlbiBpdC4gSSBoYXZlIGxvb2tlZCBhdCB0aGUgYmlnIDMgZm9yIHJlcGxhY2VtZW50IGNhcHMuIE1vc3Mgb2ZmZXJzIGEgcGxhc3RpYyBjYXDCoHJlcGxhY2VtZW50wqAuCsKgIMKgIMKgSSB3YXMgbG9va2luZyBvbiBBdXN0cmFsaWFuIEViYXkgZm9yIFRyaXVtcGggUmVub3duIHABMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR3 master cylinder reservoir cap has always been pretty knackered. It looks like Vise-grips have always been used to open it. I have looked at the big 3 for replacement caps. Moss offers a plastic cap replacement . I was looking on Australian Ebay for Triumph Renown parts (mechanically similar to Standard Vanguard series 1 parts...) and ran across new caps for reasonable prices. I ordered one and it is the exact replacement. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUTCH-MASTER-CYLINDER-FILLER-CAP-STANDARD-VANGUAR D-6-ENSIGN-/331051534715?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1435 897b&_uhb=1 Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 19:48:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2557143042 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:48:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepi107.cox.net (eastrmfepi107.cox.net [68.230.241.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22D942F9D for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131111010738.PXBT4590.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:07:38 -0500 Received: from RonnieBabbitt ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id o17e1m00B4KlQ4L0117e03; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:07:38 -0500 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=NykOOyDhDWgA:10 a=kv7XZc-qpiRB8__wc6YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=7elofkCHYhd7SSryB1MA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: "ronnie babbitt" To: "triumphs2 TRlist " Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:07:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7eemenqh6NYxezQ3GOf6oZEV19zg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Stuck Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Several months ago during several weeks if rain and high humidity. I had the opportunity to drive the 3 to a football game. I came home parked the car. Later I jumped in the 3 to take a drive and was unable to for the disc was rusted to the flywheel. Today I thought I would take a look at it. Jacked up the car. Remover. The inspection plate and discovered I had wasted my time. I had hoped to free it by sliding a putty knife between the too. Only to discover there is nothing to see behind the plate. So after reading all the recent posting. I decided to pull the car using my Yukon. In second gear with the ignition on it immediately broke loose. However it was making the most frighting squeal of which sounded as if it were coming from the Engine I quickly cut it off. Starting it up again wither clutch depressed it would go away. My initial thought was I has spun a bearing. Every time the clutch was depressed the squeal went away. I decided I would drive it around the block, as I did the sound diminished. All of a sudden it made one last I pitch squeal with a pop and it went silent. No more squeal. Clutch worked as designed. All was quiet. Took her to the big hill near my house and up she pulled just fine. It was very strange how the sound ended. Ronnie Babbitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 20:45:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B774307C for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:45:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFD242F82 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D02DC700000BB; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mha001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mha001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.129]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 97D2AE000088; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:35:06 -0500 (EST) References: <1384097161.12013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 68.237.136.235 by webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.235) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:35:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:35:06 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384137306; bh=FRlAgsu360suUOTcypYZ7uIfFn9XnV8/plSkqH0jBUQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vqMQmujWZMKhesictIHSPsjxOUMH0EchNuDpQSFijx1voMhMItCiPfUotlrO4GPt7 LM7ZCvwPhypEoDT5GcVV5TVQ/rmm9k6c7T535u3bwAU93saU/ghQCs+J+Q/TdQiT6U KeWYyYBSGyD4vIdnvFnXxVWi+ZOev5UsXpXR+I6I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d5280425a2a17 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net They're a bit more expensive, but also readily available, at Pegasus Racing: Girling small reservoir cylinder cap if the above link doesn't work. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer My TR3 master cylinder reservoir cap has always been pretty knackered. It looks like Vise-grips have always been used to open it. I have looked at the big 3 for replacement caps. Moss offers a plastic cap replacement . I was looking on Australian Ebay for Triumph Renown parts (mechanically similar to Standard Vanguard series 1 parts...) and ran across new caps for reasonable prices. I ordered one and it is the exact replacement. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUTCH-MASTER-CYLINDER-FILLER-CAP-STANDARD-VANGUAR D-6-ENSIGN-/331051534715?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1435 897b&_uhb=1 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 21:45:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6FE4306B for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:45:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ABE42FE0 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:05:06 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=SzOVflgv7SAA:10 a=jZ09mtBDWYEW4IAEHY4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GpN45DriZP8A:10 a=wtF8H84ZfuoA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E9/2E-07922-64940825; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:04:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'triumphs2 TRlist '" Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:04:36 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7eemenqh6NYxezQ3GOf6oZEV19zgAEDNIg Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check your clutch adjustment; I'll bet it's a bit tight. And you're going to need a new throw-out bearing soon. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 23:01:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB896431AD for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 23:01:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2731642FE0 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2013 04:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.125] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2013 04:13:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2013 04:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 42241 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2013 04:13:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384143199; bh=kuqtH4AZlNH1Ui2ycnqKTmAoFHgk39ONzvGswUDS3us=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yS5uBElxIjB3Zrt1OraSVMAjwBXLll5SpGcGHRgav4RvvySFmac6/ZJFQB8o3x2s/mMvdTDgL+bimkrG8eBjWQ/XSigj/y8VAbxbkxhUN/8kaHzpBn50cYsrDTJWwp87wygua+qRbI2wTK0EX2XiVwzX1RucVjSt8SDNBJ++02c= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XG/WSVL9Mj1VULmZkJv/y/QGgb22E/zDlooyaNs6HNo2rvhxL+tG/ZdbM8FGH8AFyqTLtRtf//o5zEL7ee90M2bx0Nh5P/tV8S2vgEa3EUZaRxUR2burlU/o4H61yrakIaZnAnRdoYjlBMZnzgNNrp/SZcarn5ZpEuzR/VVP+Gs=; YKbJS2TVlCoFp4cJm5tc6rwn.Sp5uNh5g415B.rzi_IZarEHL.Z8m3pom02X BCCXKfXEuLwG5yVv8Ziq25p_XD_NdVeUGphfPEQLBSX8bfG9kdkJ0ftLk24S GGA5la36TuwXzOunL3.3N7cqZKgbngmtKCcHeUHMEBrXs.Jw1nmeubwWzNEm S.Ak9BuQx3BVNu21Pu1H_0.glr3fRO2KLHiMfF_ynOxT0iLhDHShpOQxuEVN yLJl4Bdf4mphcgVIDuGThEKCrkGZ2SvqvfOlePpRDysPF8YnuySy2qgtnlKd fJTCz.JH9rvFVwj.flh.l9LHBPdZmrkEfc4tGuWQmty_fCY_kbyYGpgqWAhd .QdHbBm9H_yVD.8Ov3LwIf_k.macf.c3f1N.sidq.i750woGPyyK.5ej3lGi sLjm8vvephNENsafqitra0QbbOCrRlKlhvkZfECy_3Y_fCKErL5dkTknrXrR r9FHfytIFa.U2Y3TDL2hDWYGJHG.1KJBK25dV7MdIEAUdBeBCmY0xqc2PJJS nCMghZu5OrtwwBbX47PzjXJYCNfvCyXNOMTZ9tL4ecSvRCK22DjZhPSMXs1d N0lbBNhAUfnEGnWk80Wb4F0lbrJmNr0fPxT7Jp5Uvdb0ZwpIcuQ6kEp.TwVD QyDceAHlYKIcBs3oj07U1_AfsVN3UpQpX_WkVl91MiNZVzCiyX3ruENRKF_w ZvG.0krSVhH7ziZ5lUS.ZSLcm2mnNGN56qPEPJKkFOHUsxZT9PtL7Yh.m7mS 3_WGHVWuOmwPoE5lAPpcWfyD3N3IudX6ts_KxTRtPOIOsUDI7EZFMXVCCphE YayOK_K1s2LiCoxykWAuFG_VXOMIO3OVo9sJ3JkE_Rrt4paR8O1_hEJATyxB 8ASzyHUBISam4UgbaOVWOgq3Y9a4TcpWpqYg- Received: from [108.220.116.90] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:13:18 PST wqAgwqAgwqBUaGF0J3MgdGhlIHNhbWUgY2FwIGFscmlnaHQuIEkgbmV2ZXIgaW1hZ2luZWQgYW55b25lIGVsc2UgaGF2aW5nIGl0IGV4Y2VwdCB0aGUgc3RhbmRhcmQgQnJpdCBjYXIgZ3V5cy4KCsKgIMKgIMKgQmlsbCBpbiBUZWhhY2hhcGkKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogQW5kcmV3IFMuIE1hY2UgPHpvYm9oZXJhbGRAYW9sLmNvbT4KVG86IHdzYjE5NjB0cjNhQGF0dC5uZXQ7IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBTdW5kYXksIE5vdmVtYmVyIDEBMAEBAQE- References: <1384097161.12013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D0AC9DC4126035-D14-34FA4@webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: "Andrew S. Mace" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's the same cap alright. I never imagined anyone else having it except the standard Brit car guys. Bill in Tehachapi ________________________________ From: Andrew S. Mace To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap They're a bit more expensive, but also readily available, at Pegasus Racing: Girling small reservoir cylinder cap if the above link doesn't work. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer My TR3 master cylinder reservoir cap has always been pretty knackered. It looks like Vise-grips have always been used to open it. I have looked at the big 3 for replacement caps. Moss offers a plastic cap replacement . I was looking on Australian Ebay for Triumph Renown parts (mechanically similar to Standard Vanguard series 1 parts...) and ran across new caps for reasonable prices. I ordered one and it is the exact replacement. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUTCH-MASTER-CYLINDER-FILLER-CAP-STANDARD-VANGUAR D-6-ENSIGN-/331051534715?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1435 897b&_uhb=1 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 23:08:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B9C43115 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 23:08:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm45-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm45-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFBE43022 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm45.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2013 04:40:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.203] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2013 04:40:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2013 04:40:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384144843; bh=B16YJf+eQIfa8NYZEjokaYkBQ0xuFh8ra7XufM2P/Rk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=VO1rCzyd/+cTqzWAfbNKj784taC6P4rap1CD7aVMsBbOd21vJu9ZUXGwXKWxjmn+pLXg+CCN+GhNVKDScDYSXoJ2OIGIlJk8WNF3Kv1OyVo6pQeGfz5CIjWYBnBOe39hNmh5i+0xVz8lxVEnnv9xgze5qbOSRHCTga/ai9QViIE= MM_T2DTmSftGlFNocHED95wGaX5WSAtpZ6nR0oAqrp2u.lWr4gmbNsz2eo70 b.JDeWMsqKR4ZIvW.FFwOmBAmMRtp2iFxh529sQ8r9c9GG2KGqWnUzPMI.gB YuTRDkYMzdikhdfAfTRF1mvvelLFgBVmwt90Ckp9AOG4VIZAPqL5XEUjpxYV n.1nk7EQdsQtt.JRKSMf50SmIo1g3tjaRbYIDnF9AyXFhWdyYmXv6ZqSDTBF BVmSM7ygp5KAG5fZ7dBaVd5kxHh1I4UKYBHfRzZGMzx.i4JlonZi3OO3xTZ_ j7Ktw_6L6VV8wfNwviwJP8vmypt2H3oUWl5s.xN.EVdaNBIJg0Im3oQ0h8Xy k529MRU3UtarbSXrJ7jI3Zbr40T7SGIYh_r.VYD5RHAbIVpjRwBpF6mjB3pm HNwCEmY22dE19__gstnCCKALi5e0o40lBIZkXTFUhdUhL_kFT8hKr_zphhVG .O7IqukDJkhJU4TTQ4zd3ZWCLpWIsTLLnCPZ05Xkuic_hYpF7pGETkf6fbp3 nq8nTZnukEGa1HZKJCeGkQmaVKsItkHpsfbMjyDhr3NRAljplcwyhDlRTGWu J smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2013 20:40:43 -0800 PST References: <000a01cede7a$6a045bd0$3e0d1370$@cox.net> From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:40:41 -0600 To: ronnie babbitt Cc: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Strange little cars we own, eh Ronnie. I didn't have the noise but all was perfect, as you experienced, after I got mine unstuck last week. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:07 PM, "ronnie babbitt" wrote: > > Several months ago during several weeks if rain and high humidity. I had the > opportunity to drive the 3 to a football game. I came home parked the car. > Later I jumped in the 3 to take a drive and was unable to for the disc was > rusted to the flywheel. Today I thought I would take a look at it. Jacked up > the car. Remover. The inspection plate and discovered I had wasted my time. > I had hoped to free it by sliding a putty knife between the too. Only to > discover there is nothing to see behind the plate. So after reading all the > recent posting. I decided to pull the car using my Yukon. In second gear > with the ignition on it immediately broke loose. However it was making the > most frighting squeal of which sounded as if it were coming from the Engine > I quickly cut it off. Starting it up again wither clutch depressed it would > go away. My initial thought was I has spun a bearing. Every time the clutch > was depressed the squeal went away. I decided I would drive it around the > block, as I did the sound diminished. All of a sudden it made one last I > pitch squeal with a pop and it went silent. No more squeal. Clutch worked as > designed. All was quiet. Took her to the big hill near my house and up she > pulled just fine. It was very strange how the sound ended. > > Ronnie Babbitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 02:32:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E220430E9 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:32:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue04.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2487B43078 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:10:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue05.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.11 201-2343-100-164-20130125) with ESMTP id <20131111042602.BPRZ12690.cdptpa-queue05.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 04:26:02 +0000 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:62042] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2E/77-02506-28850825; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 04:09:38 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "ronnie babbitt" , "triumphs2 TRlist " References: <000a01cede7a$6a045bd0$3e0d1370$@cox.net> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:09:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck Clutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ronnie, My first thought was pilot bearing or release bearing, but would think they would more likely squeal with the clutch disengaged than engaged, right? Maybe the starter motor pinion got stuck on the ring gear then came loose? Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 02:35:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22C0431AF for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:35:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue04.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3B343088 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:10:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.11 201-2343-100-164-20130125) with ESMTP id <20131111050721.FPNV8247.cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:07:21 +0000 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:63473] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id AB/D2-02506-C2260825; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 04:50:53 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:50:53 -0600 Subject: [TR] Seatbelts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I currently have adjustable (non inertia real) three point seat belts on my TR250. I don't like them, they slip off me when on, and I have to fish them out from behind/under the seat and top boot when I want to use them. I am thinking the kind with a stalk and inertia reel might be both easier to put on and keep on, but I don't really want to spring for a set unless there is some appreciable improvement, any thoughts or experience with seat belt installs in the TR4-6 cars appreciated. Have also thought about going with a simple lap belt, but really like the extra protection of the three point belt. Any experience and input welcome. Greg Lemon TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 07:24:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8297F430D6 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:24:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942FD42F97 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:38:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CD6567003F625 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9550BE000081 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:18:21 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384175901; bh=RauNoa7zFnZ5f6ZBiWQtqQpXRaJaWgk8nDfrw3J0OuY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rIS3ZyUaambZ/tn7C32unAVIKy8fbnT/o0lExKOVJiXfTVK3vSsjP3ITkR1aY5pSV z7TakHWEW24m0iIaE4pkcc3bgDnwJgWldQh3T1zqvvyYzvV/JZ99yGTNbMkZOAmmAX LQJK+BcsphKv3HnkanHsRcviaUpATIbzQjwV5ZCo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c5280d91d2153 Subject: Re: [TR] Seatbelts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Moss has a set of aftermarket inertia reel belts that I fitted on my early TR6 which was originally equipped with fixed three point belts. There is a guide loop that mounts in the weld nut where your current shoulder belt is attached. You will have to drill a hole for the reel, however. It mounts directly beneath the loop. I used the same sized hardware (7/16 or 1/2 inch bolts) with a lock washer, a standard grade 8 flat washer, a larger flat washer and a LARGE fender washer, all to prevent pull-through should the event arise. An alternate approach is to find some late model TR6 belts (inertia reel) and get them rewebbed. Same approach other wise. Dave 71 TR6 In a message dated 11/11/2013 3:35:31 AM Central Standard Time, glemon@neb.rr.com writes: > I currently have adjustable (non inertia real) three point seat belts on > my > TR250. I don't like them, they slip off me when on, and I have to fish > them > out from behind/under the seat and top boot when I want to use them. I am > thinking the kind with a stalk and inertia reel might be both easier to > put on > and keep on, but I don't really want to spring for a set unless there is > some > appreciable improvement, any thoughts or experience with seat belt > installs in > the TR4-6 cars appreciated. Have also thought about going with a simple > lap > belt, but really like the extra protection of the three point belt. > > Any experience and input welcome. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 08:32:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3094A431BB for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:32:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2CB4053A for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:32:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x12so316446wgg.25 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:31:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/DAG58QKsPRjDa6CtxfINoGA7lTZp6TYEBgo2NmUu4U=; b=yM7F2yQNU9723rsh58j0AWWCEc+192K8lfQaaWTMwOH2O3hPO7NVYAKJv7iA1SlPiv FCGdbpN+5SrkYQDwXQ9lAv6P49UjnNMc5j3+NfqlyxZHhMld93lBzY2mI3xEPxX14l4b 279XQ9KThheZyFnkeEriVy3kCsCWjI9PIMZpwK7Cdu5sIMO5jqq74iv9dmoeSgCzOv5t 8DHDOOv1ifgIuZQQx/dLSwT/kNOkGWyv1Lh3itFk5GUJVss6dOFhL+QDXvpBMZOEkj83 BNjAXTr14FV85lzV4hZVTWDc5ZdEbbpRG7+XyHoUTlnn7xQ7uvSsYYRQvvvo/utJkA8K FU4w== ko6mr162124wjb.90.1384183919578; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:31:39 -0800 (PST) References: <1384097161.12013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D0AC9DC4126035-D14-34FA4@webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com> <1384143198.20428.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:31:39 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Note that Girling hydraulic fluid reservoir cap (which is available from a number of sources, if one hunts) doesn't contain the sealing gasket. That bit seems to be sold separately. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM, William Brewer wrote: > That's the same cap alright. I never imagined anyone else having it > except the standard Brit car guys. > > Bill in Tehachapi > ________________________________ > From: Andrew S. Mace > To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net; triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, November 10, > 2013 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap > > > > They're a bit more > expensive, but also readily available, at Pegasus Racing: > > Girling small > reservoir cylinder cap > if the > above > link doesn't work. > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: > Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald > engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus > (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 > (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us > -----Original Message----- > From: William Brewer > > > My TR3 > master cylinder reservoir cap has always been pretty knackered. It > looks like > Vise-grips have always been used to open it. I have looked at the > big 3 for > replacement caps. Moss offers a plastic cap replacement . I was > looking on > Australian Ebay for Triumph Renown parts (mechanically similar to > Standard > Vanguard series 1 parts...) and ran across new caps for reasonable > prices. I > ordered one and it is the exact replacement. > > http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUTCH-MASTER-CYLINDER-FILLER-CAP-STANDARD-VANGUAR > > D-6-ENSIGN-/331051534715?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1435 > 897b&_uhb=1 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 10:03:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957964324E for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:03:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DE540396 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:02:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oDg11m0031vN32cAEH2M2s; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:02:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oH2L1m00C3NmwNy8iH2M3q; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:02:21 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:02:29 -0800 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1384189341; bh=pQ4qF7+wG8gS0maDo9cljT/2+KHBH04E7jX20mCiM8I=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=iTOsdWX2vteywh3pogtRUpR7vj47mnKp33prqBOGxbbnHuAtFy3Av0z455UtfJKOF lLMvmzTHlH/2rVkmALpMIyP68Ll+9K/Guffv6D1G7CaW6rcy4AzBqvO9qNxJ5Uqn0N +iHHfJxfWXl1QICmyHBbrjijE77VuHwXEdJZwhXm4z3RSOwK/PaCuygugkbtSVBehL FUBgaT/tfWLFrrQhXe2gVFVm1Kg91amoMXGQz8kz20qIJPHBUgTogVNHbOgGP7LUoi k+cPha7J7iBeLAe6lFx7ZgR8v3pokwLB/HFnyXcM62CcYM9N12ZpiHjFuCpu3VtuU1 YtyxOI11EtBFw== Subject: [TR] Ball Cap Patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been trying to find a TR3 ball cap patch, Triumph book but in Red and Black, I find all three bbiggiesb have Blue and White b& is this some sort of color discrimination? "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 10:15:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02EF4312B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:15:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C384312B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b13so1331164wgh.8 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xKG39i/hpFlIa2YtbqgpSy1DM9i8ihIFTvaoF8iYJaM=; b=BnRDncMUmF92QKjMxsdOlfycT/BUXM8Fios1LBSp4WT+7bobRipXOMr+ghU0YSORIT OHJL/IxClgcJMOdNrNCEt1Nz+wYWyAvZW5GaKfd4Ld0sAt9cykZaJxsTbsDV6NEFGOLK PsEsVGpc0GxLAy33qTSFAI5gcpHvwp26lKcWQ1MzOA2DTkYDRAV8atyS8JtSEoB8NsNd M4chxU1g8DVVhmR4hr5TCayhitz8Xxy/ykYMQuIUl404ao+AtsGIa+QZysrhZeLnuGxr 0y5xFL+x5RcXj0H5w0aWcgnVLdWRo6hk/OV7Zd9T5x+wozG1e1Og3pAoTLBHg9LVPFEX 24cA== cl4mr13176009wib.1.1384190034333; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:13:54 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: "TR3/6" Subject: Re: [TR] Ball Cap Patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR Register Shop in the UK offers a red/black open book logo that can be embroidered on many items, ball caps included as far as I can tell. http://www.tr-registershop.co.uk/product-logos-238-p.asp On 11/11/13, William Pugh wrote: > I have been trying to find a TR3 ball cap patch, Triumph book but in Red > and > Black, I find all three b biggiesb have Blue and White b& is this some > sort of color discrimination? > > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p ; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 10:21:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C704743511 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:21:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22984309F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id rABHKtF0026361; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:20:55 -0500 Received: from [10.254.97.21] (135.sub-174-252-210.myvzw.com [174.252.210.135]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id CCB61796 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:20:52 -0500 From: "tedtsimx@bright.net" To: "William Pugh", TR3/6 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:21:11 -0500 References: refid=str=0001.0A020202.528111F7.00FB, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32, mode=single engine Subject: Re: [TR] Ball Cap Patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We can dupply this. Several styles and colors of caps to choose frm. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: William Pugh To: TR3/6 Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 17:02:29 GMT+00:00 Subject: [TR] Ball Cap Patch I have been trying to find a TR3 ball cap patch, Triumph book but in Red and Black, I find all three bbiggiesb have Blue and White b& is this some sort of color discrimination? "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 11:53:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D51E43567 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:53:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C2D43535 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so3541006vbj.14 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DxIYOP53/CR6kXncb2rYd6UQ/GdOg4n7TtzRbe+TyBw=; b=a8NY8kSTnV1Xsxgu9OaAoAMgbeuGUsmQFHF1D2ASeRXcBlNr4aUJEUaTH+la8bChgj C7eyDzypCRTLRpdJyxLD1FTetYIcO+zjv88mnfC/0Yi7x3O1+WnwdvIFAlc4MKag9PUi nH3ebCG65DYeKfezaWxavvN3aJS5EoI9h8hEaZmWDaKwWSs70erE2EkDL3E5prmgHza1 S0tVgqe88mD8lSVDI9seCMLjx4ZlADc94n8DY6BswqNYjDyoxGc0GdQcgkcIx8Izc7TE NZhTZdn/7GWObC7s08bUAVVq535LPULMyHCObGsEQwKYP8aKYn6435IGbohqjSSGwIbO 4fpA== g2mr21931185vdi.14.1384195956884; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:52:36 -0800 (PST) References: <1384097161.12013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D0AC9DC4126035-D14-34FA4@webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com> <1384143198.20428.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:52:36 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Don Hiscock Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 MC Reservoir Cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > Note that Girling hydraulic fluid reservoir cap (which is available from a > number of sources, if one hunts) doesn't contain the sealing gasket. That > bit seems to be sold separately. Rather than the stock style gasket I have been using this (from the Help! section of the FLAPS): http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/Ahwahnee18/media/TR3/BrakeReservoirGasket.jpg.html?sort=9&o=22 http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/Ahwahnee18/media/TR3/BrakeReservoirGasket2.jpg.html?sort=9&o=23 I was getting some fluid out of the vent hole with the stock gasket in place -- not an issue with this one. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 17:58:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2276F43653 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:58:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3838943605 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:48:40 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:48:37 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Dizzy Drive Gear End Float Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, Although I get the concept behind the dizzy drive gear end float, I can't find any information on why it is important to have it just right. What happens if it is too small and the gear cannot rise enough? Too large and the gear rises too high? I've recently gone through an effort to fine tune the engine, and still it has about a 100 rpm idling variance. After working the fuel and vacuum "angles", my focus is now on the ignition system. I've tried two different dizzys with the same result. I'm wondering if the float might not be correct, causing enough vertical variance to create a timing issue. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 18:29:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E3E4367C for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:29:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f45.google.com (mail-yh0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DFA43617 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f45.google.com with SMTP id i7so201739yha.18 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=YwaLIdSHptbPYwcrLyEcpy5Kzi5WTEy2VZqVHISxeoo=; b=d4t8VRkiJFRVWaru3wQtmwONu3nUTKftB3hNcVFuX7z+0JiroL3yOvWn4E0HV21tVN JbEbtujhPhLTsRSM92N0KMQ07+rjpZjG+GwpnJHtqkD00Md/zNHaxS1Zt1SWGm20GpU9 3TWkynZTIHVjC+qF070NQf12kTZE6H1JnSXwBLOGuPuCO5sua4HU9LKiTiLMKmVeJhh7 lRwIh+lPkPMIuZvHF1+P+ONvPRVlyXmVSnboQIkWk2Ec8/vNdXuhF3xyPoMzPjqfW6EQ QqY+KGpMSg86NmPHpEy+vGLysj48OvUAbDvzEh71vlP1d24ybR2r9NOlQH2OdejmzJdO O8nw== l6mr13767795yhg.17.1384219394118; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n48sm34105854yho.24.2013.11.11.17.23.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:23:11 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7fRb81kw4hyFI3S02Slh2aRtJ5Fg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: What magic do I need to use to remove and refit new steering column bushes for my TR4. I see that I could drill out the rubber round tabs that press into the column but don't want to mess this up. I have the steering column completely out of the car. The weather has cooled down here in Florida and a great time to work on the car. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 18:44:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD01436C0 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:44:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C576543658 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:43:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hu8so3833594vcb.14 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:42:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hETkNjGR9/bBmNbcMB/ng6Uu1c7rA4QMDOA2iCK/F/w=; b=re4g7yMC99gDXJU7WHRJ1UhJVs/u64upkLixhEcTQeLY0Mag+D/NeU72NPkGRvwgT2 MBhbHsSMsA1zH9waogKoNzgjygPxOJmW25Oh9mowKt6IzYd/EkRQt3e7qxx5FqS4BqZ8 6n0F1pKh73TOdnhOXDCD5o22VggeImyPVtyS2HNaLZBUEKLeQprbsjgDrJFrW3cOjwjA Ik/tNnJVw3e+v29iEn3WrM79JKqhw1wSMsjEqXTgJpd9KJE1FLB9fnbRjMxzjJdfv6bI wrLON97zRm48aUt0VjL6AbOemSeqjMTc++PIumIWgnNNPbIUhzhUs+5LQx3YbKWuUMmg bPbQ== ct10mr27103202vcb.14.1384220568803; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:42:48 -0800 (PST) References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:42:48 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim -- Of course you'll be better off hearing from someone who has actually done this, but FWIW I've always heard that common practice is to slice that rubber 'button' off with an Xacto and just push the old bushes further into the column as you push the new ones home. Geo On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:23 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > List: > > What magic do I need to use to remove and refit new steering column bushes > for my TR4. I see that I could drill out the rubber round tabs that press > into the column but don't want to mess this up. I have the steering column > completely out of the car. The weather has cooled down here in Florida and > a great time to work on the car. > > Jim Henningsen > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 18:47:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321B34370C for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:47:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E547443675 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f73so206914yha.31 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:46:30 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=UxRA+zmmTP73w6TC8jowN/cWXScanSDF0hDIOHoZWsU=; b=0eYoZ6MRInIbgf+NFtj8PmywnGoNJsA+MVt+oUuyMbVD/oDtX0pnf+Rk6ikf/cvJjW TC3KTl2j1y5k/fodb7JcjiEVeaoyt+ZsmvEoDDYKiOWblb9hd1IRpK9R+QokY75X2+CF JNhR0KfLs0NnDQ40VqdZDJ90MG6qe4d+MJXs2VWnBh6DZ4PYWBUGFNzxDJVIOf4hjIe4 4EbFCw4u/R4BabBp1E6ZpAyk7o4OJA4xFEx2NwTGP6ktqz9+QcU94bRx64OGjwRmqdFD 2uCz7NZkFrZGlyUcu+Qz67RSXKw3MeQx2Mex0cNiZbSndhLDZlb6xV1q8GdYTXK5YeRD h3kg== h5mr14075667yhb.22.1384220790141; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s46sm43944273yha.27.2013.11.11.17.46.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:46:28 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGA5jKUXl5OCkufQAUyzS+DuctSXwHpj3YWmq148zA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That sounds like it would work. Any other thoughts from the list? Thanks, Jim From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:43 PM To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Jim -- Of course you'll be better off hearing from someone who has actually done this, but FWIW I've always heard that common practice is to slice that rubber 'button' off with an Xacto and just push the old bushes further into the column as you push the new ones home. Geo On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:23 PM, James Henningsen wrote: List: What magic do I need to use to remove and refit new steering column bushes for my TR4. I see that I could drill out the rubber round tabs that press into the column but don't want to mess this up. I have the steering column completely out of the car. The weather has cooled down here in Florida and a great time to work on the car. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 19:16:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACCC436BC for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:16:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB1F4366C for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-255-238.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.255.238]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW400BS0OIWMQ40@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 02:06:35 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-11_04:2013-11-11,2013-11-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311110179 From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:06:28 -0800 References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com> <00b801cedf49$023557a0$06a006e0$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used threaded rod and washers to remove and install the bushes. A little lubrication (silicone spray, soapy water) helps. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 22:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0907C436E5 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:00:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E7B43693 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2013 04:57:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2013 04:57:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2013 04:57:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384232247; bh=Ssx0zedFfpNKk7JPHNA2eeZUgs0fb9fn9dOcvqXx3Kg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Il3KXX6p5emEF8W2pUMf/hZ8xkANlYr1AfM3q0foSgKtXoGIFufJFun+sSoNFcJLqMmjPm8ePFkJOJb05dNLRS5k5vjXieHUlH/N5eQWOnZLwi/rXYRVJ9kgOgIp2k/AAInxF3PZ7lP500UHNT1vsME/R1mms8ohfBplssfezAk= qeDZdH_mduQ.nZSDZawyuc7jKepVgHNcFnT1lKxrvSoScK.rLwxgLpobwARx nMG9GxKRDZF_2EkanKl60._YAj6qUB138rRe1TtM.36NP_uWiRvruMipAucF b68uY2PLVGP4QD1NxYDDHm6RL8rUaCyRNGhpRNtylqAsyeI1lQEosE5Ok2pJ gLh4B.z8BkHMdDu.NxMggpaSjnMl41R2.hgD9W1_2avMLrfm9IJo5UqUd.cw JVa8.D2YX3kKEPgma3_ELcEqd7rLTIE0wB_14X_PO4RQm0y81hp97n_98hvC f2t8VB3U5rnAPXzXfL_Yy35DQ1dQMmfol3dCHJ5CVgBGrSvV3gaPCARseBXX rYWkATatKsguFzsKQUUGcgpnKzYi.xhlI84qRvkJnJalPtpZCAfEL8B26_KL gF9qaaMjri_s9c01ZPyObO1Q2jp2ydIETVmRcB1Ho0lYrrkvoEPPGupv5yoh BL7brsBXXvhzYnAsf43W0rWnSVHsVvZVRfFAfugD9n73qrO4hGNb5Q3miYqx jsXHQzhXZ.v3beotWAg.RS5FSg99F8z2ur9tqn0wB3IB9chdeu6V84o_tPAs PvVT7cFzSY_jUm_uUFqjix6WJs6UxzVBx6I1Gk4cDNAVF.qA8Vs7lQ0Qoxws ryMwFvg-- smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2013 20:57:27 -0800 PST From: To: "'ronnie babbitt'" , "'triumphs2 TRlist '" References: <000a01cede7a$6a045bd0$3e0d1370$@cox.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:57:17 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7eemenqh6NYxezQ3GOf6oZEV19zgA55kzg Subject: Re: [TR] Stuck Clutch-Preventitive Measure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thinking about this thread and remembered that the ever thoughtful Kubota Tractor people included a small block of wood in my tool kit to block the clutch in the disengaged position during storage. So, I thought this might be a good idea for the TR3B that is chassis-complete and waiting months for the body work to be ready. I cut a piece of wood and blocked the clutch open, maybe a good thing for others who need to store their LBCs for the winter. Just a thought, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ronnie babbitt Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:08 PM To: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: [TR] Stuck Clutch Several months ago during several weeks if rain and high humidity. I had the opportunity to drive the 3 to a football game. I came home parked the car. Later I jumped in the 3 to take a drive and was unable to for the disc was rusted to the flywheel. Today I thought I would take a look at it. Jacked up the car. Remover. The inspection plate and discovered I had wasted my time. I had hoped to free it by sliding a putty knife between the too. Only to discover there is nothing to see behind the plate. So after reading all the recent posting. I decided to pull the car using my Yukon. In second gear with the ignition on it immediately broke loose. However it was making the most frighting squeal of which sounded as if it were coming from the Engine I quickly cut it off. Starting it up again wither clutch depressed it would go away. My initial thought was I has spun a bearing. Every time the clutch was depressed the squeal went away. I decided I would drive it around the block, as I did the sound diminished. All of a sudden it made one last I pitch squeal with a pop and it went silent. No more squeal. Clutch worked as designed. All was quiet. Took her to the big hill near my house and up she pulled just fine. It was very strange how the sound ended. Ronnie Babbitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 22:52:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E26743713 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:52:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7D54367E for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:52:20 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=FaQhtV2c2WMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=cINh169KGEQA:10 a=35Qou8vbK8O6yqocSoUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3E/16-07922-9F1C1825; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:51:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:51:50 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7fQjrw5YkJmvPFTZirgsK8lu2WLQAKDZQg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Dizzy Drive Gear End Float Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > What happens if it is too small and the gear cannot rise > enough? Apparently in practice, it usually just wears quickly until there is "enough". But in theory it could bind and tear things up. > Too large > and the gear rises too high? Again in theory, affecting ignition timing. But the thrust from the camshaft tries to force the gear downwards, and I assume the force to turn the oil pump would keep it from bouncing around much even if it did manage to hit a resonant frequency. > I'm wondering if the float might not be correct, causing > enough vertical > variance to create a timing issue. Seems unlikely to me; but if so, you should be able to see the timing change with a timing light. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 06:28:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B711B403B1 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:28:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CEF40078 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:21:53 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=7xjUflPn_FQA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=KlgDIpIDDWoA:10 a=_JCt7KIIYRQ9QolA1UYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:45169] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 97/6D-09301-55B22825; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:21:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:21:52 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Greg Lemon , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <44A31204E8C84D59B51049DA6A45F3F4@livingroompc> Subject: Re: [TR] Seatbelts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, I got a new set from TRF for my 72 6. The originals just didnt work anymore and they were faded. The replacements from TRF fit just fine using the original hardware. But they dont have the electrical attachments and the original parkers are useless since the new belt attachments are different. But they stay snug. Bob On 11/10/2013 11:50 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > I currently have adjustable (non inertia real) three point seat belts on my > TR250. I don't like them, they slip off me when on, and I have to fish them > out from behind/under the seat and top boot when I want to use them. I am > thinking the kind with a stalk and inertia reel might be both easier to put on > and keep on, but I don't really want to spring for a set unless there is some > appreciable improvement, any thoughts or experience with seat belt installs in > the TR4-6 cars appreciated. Have also thought about going with a simple lap > belt, but really like the extra protection of the three point belt. > > Any experience and input welcome. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 07:05:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220564043D for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:05:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26CA4035A for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oe4z1m00Q2QmmGk01e504C; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:05:00 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com><00b801cedf49$023557a0$06a006e0$@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:01:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net are you guys talking about the cross shaped rubber piece in the engine compartment? or is there another bush I'm not aware of? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 07:31:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290C40537 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:31:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA4E403A6 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-255-238.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.255.238]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW5000MRMOQS190@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:24:27 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-12_06:2013-11-12,2013-11-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311120083 From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:24:21 -0800 References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com> <00b801cedf49$023557a0$06a006e0$@gmail.com> To: Dave Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Nov 12, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Dave wrote: > are you guys talking about the cross shaped rubber piece in the engine compartment? or is there another bush I'm not aware of? Hi Dave, I believe we are talking about the bushings inside the steering column. Stock ones are rubber, steel and some kind of plastic that support the inner shaft inside the housing. -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 08:30:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B71542823 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:30:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1500342713 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:25:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.71.14]) by p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ofQZ1m00e0JVCBq01fQkzL; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:24:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:24:29 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7furEUBcuZVGVyRz+TueMNaLXwtw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] AMCO sidescreens Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: this past weekend I found a small-mouth TR3 in a barn about 40 miles from here - filled with everything the guy thought was necessary for a restoration back in 1995. Lots of boxes from the Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British - exciting ! The good news (since I am a big fan of these) is that I found a set of Amco sidescreens in the trunk. The not so good news is that the rubber around the outside is torn. Does anyone know of a source for this? Or someone who could help restore the sidescreens? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 09:39:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2BD42F58 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:39:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAB742F09 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2013 16:38:57 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.74] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2013 16:38:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp231.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2013 16:38:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384274337; bh=1G3ljIvfZxzqSKXyFBcjBDKpMq4oKa4EvaMhRGPHIww=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=C/oKRGv+QXTbmR3eJ/sklqsVegUpyQIrwPm08LRVXHmvn97RRz4EjAJbWZwGCaXvlgkrlvZzAAsHjCc6GSMYUweYnfApCX5TjmQR3qgBJbPxpN344AMOrDFMR5VQCXuvkUVf74Yg7cHrQekB2ucZtu8+L6A5IjRdkd95ob389Tg= qu17.YTi4uF_EPBswTLPsmTueZTHf3kUPId7psaFefFidqhFOg1QmCNsP81C b8w0S_mWtNIOwmuk2vUm1hZT.42kVE2XeDGZ8HGYpkRdfslMmL9qvcXpdfhb _fHNdLBuPb4dBOzpawok3O0S2XMQmB623iwA4h_PALlMAzueQsAM9gQOMfGL LvHKDT0vzy7gzU9WJ5T01f60wzrrTkDvRMmx1lKDT3Q94ryP9Sd0q.5kdMyC 8BkMGzuYR.uipEYFi3cL2FJS8IRbnYxS2PPK0Scdv38VSGJjpGmV20On4p6M fQHWrxi_CI3bTkkVvGQXFic3HCzNaHCplsu7tCjtqtgx_Df9Ibq6moVzsOzG vKZtNZpsqAWDG2.DUFOssOMd1xFTsch6WX_lpeaH661vxaR6GngV8xTwvGWl kl.HF3CSAFWYungMBVTS9Qdldsuf.ly0zu3E4tDkcz6MNDaHqIEpUC2z1XbU amJ8UY48GmTKkqGPo4eaT_W3MIGRjJIURdcnRrD4jS02BGwDe4YWYD5cVreN 7Z45KVh21ySgyXYsZZkEd_1tK4U7JEZIe1fM0.t.U_3D75sfvIu85MTosXHl Buw-- smtp231.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2013 16:38:57 +0000 UTC References: <00b801cedfbb$554a3c90$ffdeb5b0$@uprichard.net> From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:27 -0600 To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] AMCO sidescreens Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, you do seem to find all the lost treasures. Do you have a good glass shop nearby? Binswanger? Might take a sample of the rubber to them. I would first call TRF to see if they could do it. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:24 AM, "Andrew Uprichard" wrote: > > List: this past weekend I found a small-mouth TR3 in a barn about 40 miles > from here - filled with everything the guy thought was necessary for a > restoration back in 1995. Lots of boxes from the Roadster Factory, Moss and > Victoria British - exciting ! > > > > The good news (since I am a big fan of these) is that I found a set of Amco > sidescreens in the trunk. The not so good news is that the rubber around the > outside is torn. Does anyone know of a source for this? Or someone who > could help restore the sidescreens? > > > > Thanks! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 10:54:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3BA403F1 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:54:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C993D42F42 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:41:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c14so4651095vea.32 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:41:19 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vUEhto+Y4WfZqVVIhubQCQ4vtDEWb9Bg+3TkaVhjCoo=; b=R3IAYwwkDxvo4Xp948Q84vGC4HY0sZ5++3shQrYGlXw16/azqk9Ngnuih9wngqwEbp yr5R/xT0lt8bgSKXSITGgMStXHgOmpkpidIcVvCG25xIkkykdn3iVOxR3zzNEpERxxCD qWrknmMOomLQFsDLpLjCnTP+wEFwBJRd9oamILLBptUNeMdFYwqntJP4tEq/5It3lwQN XH+ddLCfTbpg0AKJlejI+475wMw3a9iU/sEP9VrbvP+55KlsohTs+LedDsEP3ZpzGdfk 4O7p2yMkmADL+x/T4PjAGgRQtsYo4xbEXmTdCMsjQo+cgFQ5OEgxeYxGO+hQ5V97hKpY ftfw== ak8mr30189718ved.12.1384278079756; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:41:19 -0800 (PST) References: <00b801cedfbb$554a3c90$ffdeb5b0$@uprichard.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:41:19 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] AMCO sidescreens Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There was someone on the British Car Forum (years ago) who was looking for that rubber and, IIRC found it. I will do a search and see if something turns up. Geo On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > List: this past weekend I found a small-mouth TR3 in a barn about 40 miles > from here - filled with everything the guy thought was necessary for a > restoration back in 1995. Lots of boxes from the Roadster Factory, Moss > and > Victoria British - exciting ! > > > > The good news (since I am a big fan of these) is that I found a set of Amco > sidescreens in the trunk. The not so good news is that the rubber around > the > outside is torn. Does anyone know of a source for this? Or someone who > could help restore the sidescreens? > > > > Thanks! > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:06:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F77403C5 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:06:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FD642F42 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id jz11so3462989veb.8 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=F4riGsplsdhSl8aEcPnxxbTrCAR/RRRQhUToSzdXE/4=; b=KQXI/1id0EprSA9HBwvPVke3d/ZPWrZ7t93GpD3Nv87omopI+A0lyyLjAHR8wUWn9M Kf3d4T91RK+l5ltM6fH1H1sCEFVMnoEwkYFxPDsF/eXjZHlvk8RcCRV4PcFYcOMbYMa+ e1qaM2akHXNS1GMT2APp4r86bUNz7/Xpvb1B+mpKQwKObYAMHNPSvFXqqo2fI1monLFs ANswoZAN1twOGZ3swSNRevkeK57xBv+DiL4WkeeWPcsFGdZi6bKBNmaePz/i5RF5n7zq SMbVDT1nNL3JqoFvpNrruwGZngPiT22e1i5k1OLTZk43ofQLDgElQ0p2VmBkwks58tQZ GKag== r18mr30331924vem.4.1384278235344; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) References: <00b801cedfbb$554a3c90$ffdeb5b0$@uprichard.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:43:55 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] AMCO sidescreens Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well that seemed easy. The thread: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?87284-TR3A-sidescreen-vinyl-seal&highlight=amco+side+curtain+rubber Where he got some: http://www.clarkespares.com/ Excerpt: *"I called them, told the guy what I needed (seal strip for TR3A AMCO frame), and received the roll of seal within a week."* Geo On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > There was someone on the British Car Forum (years ago) who was looking for > that rubber and, IIRC found it. I will do a search and see if something > turns up. > > Geo > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Andrew Uprichard < > auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote: > >> List: this past weekend I found a small-mouth TR3 in a barn about 40 >> miles >> from here - filled with everything the guy thought was necessary for a >> restoration back in 1995. Lots of boxes from the Roadster Factory, Moss >> and >> Victoria British - exciting ! >> >> >> >> The good news (since I am a big fan of these) is that I found a set of >> Amco >> sidescreens in the trunk. The not so good news is that the rubber around >> the >> outside is torn. Does anyone know of a source for this? Or someone who >> could help restore the sidescreens? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Andrew Uprichard >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 12:18:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283E642EFF for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:18:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BEC4032A for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:04:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.72.91]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oj351m00w1yAGQe01j36Qk; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:03:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Geo Hahn'" References: <00b801cedfbb$554a3c90$ffdeb5b0$@uprichard.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:02:58 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIKkLGgse6IIwY4W4XdvqHeaGR7HgELvq+SAogwD4aZjfH68A== Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] AMCO sidescreens Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, George - you are the man ! And thanks also to everyone else who replied. This car has over $10,000 in receipts. I guess I should go buy a lottery ticket this week........... Andrew From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:44 PM To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] AMCO sidescreens Well that seemed easy. The thread: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?87284-TR3A-sidescreen-viny l-seal &highlight=amco+side+curtain+rubber Where he got some: http://www.clarkespares.com/ Excerpt: "I called them, told the guy what I needed (seal strip for TR3A AMCO frame), and received the roll of seal within a week." Geo On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: There was someone on the British Car Forum (years ago) who was looking for that rubber and, IIRC found it. I will do a search and see if something turns up. Geo On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: List: this past weekend I found a small-mouth TR3 in a barn about 40 miles from here - filled with everything the guy thought was necessary for a restoration back in 1995. Lots of boxes from the Roadster Factory, Moss and Victoria British - exciting ! The good news (since I am a big fan of these) is that I found a set of Amco sidescreens in the trunk. The not so good news is that the rubber around the outside is torn. Does anyone know of a source for this? Or someone who could help restore the sidescreens? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 21:00:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2066640333 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:00:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C0340325 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:57:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CCA50700000AC for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dba003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dba003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.71]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9A741E000082 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: CarlSereda@aol.com Full-name: CarlSereda Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:57:16 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384315036; bh=VHujfGMftpc/QqiNdgkJi0Rq0OHVKzJ9RrfbWGC1tcs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fb3YOT1VMvXbQNwVP172fB1nBvtT8oBYo13VFD9RF3ZhOzgSdBgJ856U/SUsIVgns F9MAu5NlT892wwitgSIMCNLk0kvOeMuaSApIRHcIFrPV+fHaxJqn0ip2REZXHlj+pJ tNrJomGagJe4k/I3iS7mcHJC/G+JMvrwC0Nvn9X8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85282f89c23f3 Subject: Re: [TR] Tr\R4 steering bushes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jim, You can exacto blade the rubber nubs and hammer with a stick to remove old steering column bushes.. I bought four TRF steering column bushes. Razored off the nubs of first new pair and pushed them deeper in the tube (from top and bottom) with the second new pair with their nubs intact. I felt the original setup was not the most robust so wanted to double bushes up (4). It now seems very precise. The steel shaft was a little worn too so the secondary bushes riding on new metal really snugged things up. When those start to wear, the secondary bushes that are in the original position, will come into play making for much longer lasting setup. Good luck, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 List: What magic do I need to use to remove and refit new steering column bushes for my TR4. I see that I could drill out the rubber round tabs that press into the column but don't want to mess this up. I have the steering column completely out of the car. The weather has cooled down here in Florida and a great time to work on the car. Jim Henningsen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 02:56:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0237A40406 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:56:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2E5403C5 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.39.117.adsl.snet.net [69.0.39.117]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lj0D8-1V9t2m0r30-00dOeT; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:22:57 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "James Henningsen" , References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:22:55 -0500 9aATCqYqojAEP+IMNQRvBPcDjIo4wrUArg0zod6HltXRvcGUAU EuvW2kw+dID1a1CU0IplKgGszPSddCt8ad49D+X1W1nBVawOfr RBgSnaLj1C7uKsTFOMXBdeiA7ha475tgMT9XnnDliIXpC+GhqA rkkKpnVLkGUSnLURYCQCdjVWwfN0UBVdqw8YRo+JJNwoVWSKp+ ZGIgWYddLTVkQCXjmxEO9VUo8F7lFg5ewiiIEdNNKzsqH5JIwv b+fD1xuEBoieTBD48HuO2YZCv/SPefDmpbB1xZwzHKz8mm2ftE AyQKMENRgkn22q9oZlpC4TLDYEmY76IZu+y73zBdh Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Drop Art Lipp (lipp04@yahoo.com) an email and ask him if his TR6 bushing kit also fits the TR4. With his kit there's no need to remove the old bushings and his Delrin replacement bushings "never" wear out. You can see how it all goes together here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SteeringColumn.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:23 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question List: What magic do I need to use to remove and refit new steering column bushes for my TR4. I see that I could drill out the rubber round tabs that press into the column but don't want to mess this up. I have the steering column completely out of the car. The weather has cooled down here in Florida and a great time to work on the car. Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 19:36:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A0F4041D for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:36:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f178.google.com (mail-gg0-f178.google.com [209.85.161.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EDE403E9 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f178.google.com with SMTP id v2so558348ggc.37 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:10:51 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=G7vkoVaKUkXjmoK5w9UAo8loMczjC9VSF1eW2M84o9k=; b=ozZ8X1dGwywAxUxclnDFsWGDpRQRqqf1r4QY3anYb7yGBBWeU+9+azH0Uz2hB7s2HM VcrIB9+UwQ17qITzxJyUQxjhCNYxWDO4uqim/9HEyn0dBYtXqo7snwu3cIVrbrgpJ6mz iZ0otVN3rxnSs2ywXPhYJhqWbD8jCnAGu6QqKDuhNCxwyvkaUnSZQIZd3xBO8I9tIPdj 4mBu7gQyglmhKdLjjrXb+P/0FO1Z9qNcOmjEtJ7V3AEo+lkQHAXpP+9JLtBhOUTK1Fwp KgdxL1q4TvVKhd+L0nsuTchpzOAw5C6+/gkUVoNv/N8Br+2Rn5VJNNUywKtairCglUZU H1Hw== a64mr24139357yhl.35.1384395051151; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.249.189.63] (181.sub-174-228-192.myvzw.com. [174.228.192.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g14sm61383020yhb.23.2013.11.13.18.10.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:10:49 -0800 (PST) References: <89ef5.563bbba5.3fb4529c@aol.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:10:47 -0500 To: "CarlSereda@aol.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Tr\R4 steering bushes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl and others: Thanks for the tips. I will see how I do this weekend. Jim Henningsen Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:57 PM, CarlSereda@aol.com wrote: > Hi Jim, > You can exacto blade the rubber nubs and hammer with a stick to remove old > steering column bushes.. I bought four TRF steering column bushes. Razored > off the nubs of first new pair and pushed them deeper in the tube (from top > and bottom) with the second new pair with their nubs intact. I felt the > original setup was not the most robust so wanted to double bushes up (4). It > now seems very precise. The steel shaft was a little worn too so the > secondary bushes riding on new metal really snugged things up. When those start > to wear, the secondary bushes that are in the original position, will come > into play making for much longer lasting setup. > Good luck, > Carl > '63 TR4 since '74 > > > List: > > What magic do I need to use to remove and refit new steering column bushes > for my TR4. I see that I could drill out the rubber round tabs that press > into the column but don't want to mess this up. I have the steering column > completely out of the car. The weather has cooled down here in Florida and > a great time to work on the car. > > Jim Henningsen > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 20:28:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F5B40406 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:28:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D24B403D0 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p9so1056026lbv.21 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:20:27 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Z/5x9VVHNgRuTAY/IWQl7ig6D6iQv7C5RKQhClMbI5w=; b=xoxBqp38rKiNVcfpztpq/xuOiptiD2zzGxeVW6ii+iC+0hUgh51+4/lOKHsh3laFyn Z43Jgp/gGY8Jl73ILDUeA/XHR4N9+ArFdSaXYe3TP8z/mnzNClYzNiuNp+KprOJ2188/ lkL5jGxIf9EF1A1507cbUUaN7oeagaF4wBnI5bR/HP4FHwAfz/IhpPaWWkTYyaQaB/Cd c1KmxbhIjZr+G5JE5wFZTKNGV6wFnu0RVIHI5QiyHAZwn2zgW/AdQhitVKLhljxzGcc/ nM0Bv0uPFSXxJxTtQGTXvb/Cc7p2kJkx/FPT1KfSBYVvOqvklw5k4N2kGyBetIYHLpWo 062Q== ut7mr3138131lbc.39.1384399226843; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.238.67 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:20:06 -0800 (PST) References: <009c01cedf45$c1ea2c50$45be84f0$@gmail.com> <2D5B49091DF1400383D082F6DE40A039@BobDell> From: Chris Simo Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:20:06 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Column Rebush Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 to Bob Sent an email to Art for bushings for my German import TR4 w/locking steering column. He had never seen one of those before but hooked me up in a matter of days. Very responsive and I'm happy with the ease of installation (I have no idea how to separate the steering shaft from the column). My install was with the column and steering shaft still in the car. The pvc pipe drift makes install very easy. After I got the kit in the mail, they were installed in 15 mins and I no longer have the horn wailing when I go through the twisty turnies. Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 14 18:37:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50EA40433 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:37:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4994040A for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 01:34:34 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.118] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 01:31:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.233] by tm109.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 01:31:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 01:31:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 44557 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2013 01:31:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384479110; bh=PQRhVRg6dT4RgIG56W1/m5vqlPmm58rs5D3HqP6WQD4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=srMhqe6ruBVO/p3gCaQ3vuWhm8/OAjeP7wm27Z1e0r/zLI6nUf2Zr3FPIGrRbw67EbA1XVzF8l5IuyzsgQ9QPHRv3OIZ7Xafz80EOiM6yK/R7Znp4LbRlJfYaIUWLjx1tlRbeUaIUCZoAbD2kqQ0Cg+rOVliziDnEfji3a29DcU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LZwgofFTZ/VUXzq7OOrOzBXuHTe85YVoeFCx0dJ54VpVsEGRjdoHpN0hMf0LnFvQ6ysGEnmaAZq7Fcseyj+ru/cPtdpWkZYxtoYNA7d51WTN3HjqPFIG+vvqYMumdtdGQSfEWWMTgn1i1Fjf/zd+giUgX/tXoUWvl5B5bC5/3Xw=; 9.NN5n8juEAQfKX78DDxxo05M8yAXlsLRQc3vD9F4 Received: from [208.126.192.60] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:31:50 PST V2hpY2ggd2F5IGRvZXMgdGhlIHdhdGVyIHJ1biB0aHJvdWdoIHRoZSBoZWF0ZXIgb24gdGhlIHRyLTM_wqAgSSBoYXZlIHRoZSBpbnB1dCBob3NlIHRvIHRoZSBoZWF0ZXIgY29taW5nIGZyb20gdGhlIHdhdGVyIHZhbHZlIG9uIHRoZSBiYWNrIHJpZ2h0IHNpZGUgb2YgdGhlIGJsb2NrwqAgVGhlIG91dHB1dCBob3NlIGZyb20gdGhlIGhlYXRlciBjb21pbmcgaW50byB0aGUgZW5naW5lIGJheSBvbiB0aGUgbGVmdCBzaWRlLCBpbnRvIHRoZSBzdGVlbCBwaXBlIHdoaWNoIGdvZXMgdXAgdG8gdGhlIHdhdGVyIHABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] heater hose connections Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Which way does the water run through the heater on the tr-3? I have the input hose to the heater coming from the water valve on the back right side of the block The output hose from the heater coming into the engine bay on the left side, into the steel pipe which goes up to the water pump. Is this correct or should the water be circulating the other direction? thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 02:21:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A527940411 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:21:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.netspeed.com.au (mail.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A12440411; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:21:05 -0700 (MST) x-ip-name=61.69.24.215; Received: from mcmasterb0b98c (unverified [61.69.24.215]) by netspeed.com.au (SurgeMail 6.3c2) with ESMTP id 7494744-1928045 for multiple; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:21:35 +1100 From: "John McMaster" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:20:21 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac7h4+iU6MaLFH4XTluLbjevlN0rUA== Subject: [TR] RPM VS MPH/KPH CALCULATOR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to trouble you all but a few years back (quite a few in fact) someone on the list provided an excel spreadsheet showing MPH/KPH per RPM for a given (specified) gear ratio and tyre size. Due to a catastrophic hard drive failure I've lost it and would really like to re-build my data for the project V6 I'm building. If anyone has a copy and they wouldn't mind sharing, could they please email it to me? Thanks heaps, John Mc "Fast is First" 71 TR6 PI 76 Dolomite 1850 76 Dolomite Sprint V6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 05:07:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A5A40521 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:07:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C022403C8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so3758719oag.39 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:03:24 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rY7YD3X2bW0N23YPh/qg1Jsb+uLRMBXrcyrXFMQuf4c=; b=kBjOw3MdVb+L717TZPqzxN/Sg4eruVtDWiHTO/ZaGXMY1Uhi6V4X0rQciJGvROYtVk wOHzFBtUq59oV4qcX1HQBh63SnJvcOwFvYkIk4YjDnLl9VxWCQcQS+upOVn/ytQfCDCp cO8JnruEnXz9S9OhM6hREdPTRNRbjDxjyE1A5Cl6thTYQXhvipXfiUlXFO2LEW8+i5pV 6df4BFezryErbkkp9xEA2ZYM5Fvv5Stc9MVJ/tq3aclfYhF4EzYOpvsshd6mPFyWJ59E 9T/qa3FA0Se6RFTNJ59ut4NcnuQYWrPLL/BfRbPiFds0tEDZpHX9CPALLYOSevDxokxg NzeA== su8mr6452632oeb.17.1384517004562; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ee7sm4562042oeb.5.2013.11.15.04.03.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:03:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:03:22 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] RPM VS MPH/KPH CALCULATOR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/15/13, 2:20 AM, John McMaster wrote: > Sorry to trouble you all but a few years back (quite a few in fact) someone > on the list provided an excel spreadsheet showing MPH/KPH per RPM for a > given (specified) gear ratio and tyre size. No spreadsheet but an online calculator: www.csgnetwork.com/multirpmcalc.html TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 07:46:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4A740511 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:46:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B94E403BA for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.65.15]) by p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id pqkf1m00R0Kl3JW01qkiAn; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:44:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Gary Nafziger'" , References: <1384479110.36380.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:44:38 -0500 Thread-Index: AQH7+3od0+hJDU77l6AtfsV26GOtGZnMK0lg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] heater hose connections Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow - I didn't know there was an input and output. I guess I never thought about it..... Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Nafziger Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:32 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] heater hose connections Which way does the water run through the heater on the tr-3? I have the input hose to the heater coming from the water valve on the back right side of the block The output hose from the heater coming into the engine bay on the left side, into the steel pipe which goes up to the water pump. Is this correct or should the water be circulating the other direction? thanks gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 08:16:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BED84044B for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:16:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A36403C8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id wn1so3882734obc.24 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:14:41 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=hCIGl0pMUYeSqoXJze4CCQJcyMqDFfUOfbPRNk4NVaQ=; b=IkXVUkMJRiNym6lPndbGDErrUMPGLH2yxT83S7rCHI1BMQij/iJspz49m1A+yrtQ3E 1MqDCCtn8OaAzohuR7zArbxz8M415uXM4tkBPtwlrpF45B6eMgPPcso+a4e+lJgaZ4Jc WBzpagoy7rsbnI/dTLHC0lINhkDl0V0h1ouAGZIENHLHL8Tn3g7dndGkbJOYd3c+tfzD 5ChFzRZRJ3kGIyJ96xyBFfklHLJBn8Mr4JpjfOXF3Tia6RxNEZuBMipjzdXsENvN5cSJ 8SWp9efwMWiSZdV7RcTwTrzadvJrVdYJ4ORNmdsGFhx+iJ3X7XLdojUPDAeqH5ygxUc9 ngSw== Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm5663961oeb.0.2013.11.15.07.14.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:14:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7iFWoAIS9VwUjgQDeKHPEkRyrP1Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do you use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on a TR4 motor? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 08:20:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C1742EF8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:20:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36595403C8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.194]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0E024700000AC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 625CEE000626 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:19:40 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384528780; bh=uj01iZt9zYx1zZO9ZRxmoXeMUU36CbUIN6x0hizrW8Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=seWcPbCXckKTD0c16R9gP8kVrmnCncPsT6naN+IYSGw+akHXsleKDE289zyDUq+NF O3d8VXa6vDDiJIYE79VWye9CkrOktJZFyg5nIUR79Bcuo2LObWwFHPwHC8wsbo4AAt Efb/lChUHz4IS0Acr/86LRtYLswKMUgJUF8+il20= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c252863b8c7166 Subject: [TR] Looking for TR8 valve covers.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Looking to borrow, or buy, if necessary. For development of molds for reusable silicone valve cover gaskets. Valve covers will be returned and a pair of new silicon gaskets will be provided. We have most molds for Triumphs, including the Stag, but are missing the TR8 and would like to complete the line. Thanks, Gasketinnovations.com N197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 08:30:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D8940546 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:30:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E42403C8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:29:17 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:29:17 -0600 References: <006901cee215$6cd8ef30$468acd90$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. I used a spray-on sealant purchased at a local parts shop. On Nov 15, 2013, at 9:14 AM, James Henningsen wrote: > Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do you > use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on a TR4 > motor? > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 08:30:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AB042ADC for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:30:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFD340521 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:30:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131115153008.TLLN2550.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:30:08 -0500 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.179.172]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id prW71m0073ja9Wm01rW7Sw; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:30:07 -0500 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=FDeHKvrYvfcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5ZG6SbpNGEr3ZcTg40gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:30:08 -0800 Thread-Index: AQII4tOSd5+DzopmmUgW0rE/SPNIuJmyaMng Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I use Copper Sealant - either "coppa seal" spray or "copper coat gasket compound" brush on by K&W - I have never blown a TR3/4 head gasket and have put heads on 5 of them. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:15 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Head Question Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do you use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on a TR4 motor? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 09:03:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EBD40539 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:03:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59FD40448 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:02:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131115160125.NWLQ18907.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:01:25 -0500 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.179.172]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id ps1Q1m00Q3ja9Wm01s1Ria; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:01:25 -0500 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:17 a=WiiDwFKm9N4A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=BFIL9MbUz8YA:10 a=nAAQhMwQb35viZiGhsQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=1fMe8s2OcekA:10 a=LCEqKujYozUA:10 a=zgYnjoV0fB0A:10 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'James Henningsen'" , Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:01:25 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7iG9Wg6xUZs6dfTsGVQBpwE5BG3A== Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question - TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Along the lines of the previous inquiry - I'm putting my TR6 head back on this AM - does it require a sealant on the gasket? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 10:01:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00F74053A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:01:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DDF40448 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 16:58:09 -0000 Received: from [77.238.189.238] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 16:58:08 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.238] by tm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 16:58:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 16:58:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 91344 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2013 16:58:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384534688; bh=H7OuIq7+HGqscKA0GNNG/ontmOC64jRWLKWpmTKdevU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NZBWZrYsqqgMmMUUoSd6P7O1f73MpjU5PRgA7NJIbsrA0f5sUSsWUy8vjUh8wiu68L/z0Zrmp9t/cFKMd8ilOP5JXM6FgpGrumOmIEoTyouzmk5Any7nTO5c3Dy3MPXlAZ4m3n4i5hMzk7bsLAXKqRlLUffSG/8BNryzwPwlHMU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bNzMwW3Hu0kBX4IukvHzlfTfYnc2MuyDHH091zlWl8zAscKVhfwmTJZitvSDqoKow/wDO3/7SaP2+JdlkpaJkoijheCDbM4a4eBlMsYM9NvWr04Jj7/y/Comh2j9YK1jY50brHgTIlON3Wa0blNoXT1AUzJ0ziHxCHR4dVFpJZU=; _p59jRc3JEiBO3S_tsbStto7wWrqt.yVM4kYtR55wiytKoX9QONsL.T7KKE1 InsxfoBEBEB.Og6aHw0CY3qGHUtEZu2hVstgikjQtheXuXSkOR1ptI_ArGTS Qq8wE_LyIT_ccK1bZXIcvY1szKwDgKSn0yIaf51XWLuBZ9gTcnAvI2qi6B.O oiL6O8vcTWw7gvuvSvw6QaN53Jmtr.WiBR_qWPhkh7WaRblcqTB.06eGrRs7 PU3WSSlO3V9WqfS6EqAZIgCF_jf0gqruw.Xp0Riy97I5TYFbtwg.jfKOv_r9 vOdlVQso7Be50qnQDVnOqRxMyn6FJsIa5Y8uJAWBmmN8TjKYC3BCm3lqEaSx ayJF59RRCZfL2It81Xi7CwAA98CVNgrVI0lEZg_JgVGAHORVi7f0DJM_OGdW gc3HSg2JelDmSe_lRYvhTmhFrWDRgD2goRGmt.pNFGMcKtYnJbXXir3rjT8y h7xwC_CT4FAH4MJlx03Gr92Xx_Dhp8HHYlSVyWMFs4yX0Aqi2.Adu3pxGoZ2 0BPb1Pjyu_h6_Yln3IHN5f3rCJBCnf1Cf Received: from [2.124.180.211] by web171903.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:58:07 GMT RmFjdG9yeSB1c2VkIGEgbm9ybWFsIGxpZ2h0d2VpZ2h0IGdlbmVyYWwgcHVycG9zZSBncmVhc2UgbGlnaHRseSBzbWVhcmVkIHdpdGggYSBmaW5nZXIgb24gdGhlIGJsb2NrIGZhY2UsIGJvdGggc2lkZXMgb2YgdGhlIGdhc2tldCBhbmQgdGhlIHVuZGVyc2lkZSBvZiB0aGUgaGVhZC4KCgpKb25tYWMKCkZyb206IEphbWVzIEhlbm5pbmdzZW4gPHRyZ3V5NzVAZ21haWwuY29tPgo.VG86IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IAo.U2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCAxNSBOb3ZlbWJlciAyMDEzLCAxNToxNAo.U3ViamUBMAEBAQE- References: <006901cee215$6cd8ef30$468acd90$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:58:07 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Factory used a normal lightweight general purpose grease lightly smeared with a finger on the block face, both sides of the gasket and the underside of the head. Jonmac From: James Henningsen >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013, 15:14 >Subject: [TR] Head Question > > >Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do you >use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on a TR4 >motor? > >Thanks, > >Jim Henningsen > >Ocala FL > >62 TR4 > >75 TR6 > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 10:35:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D7442901 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:35:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10DC40451 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:33:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p9so2948761lbv.35 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QxFMatJlawrX+UND0YxRX9dWL8dSaCXvERhQdZAMqDo=; b=jpzgVKSzuWiXICPJjyM5/M134+jquiHGQEdlngWwWThwugmHMQaP7nIcNMTy/4hbBc ZMFm9EdNBFf6DCopSTgJGx/JfZsX1szM39dZlJ2Jo6tq1Rcz3s8cE48jebFI6b/QknHp AkZwzxm/phnyCZM3sIvAN+jugr2UHL/PvGlM5vHNQPcDX8BW91uft48M1UXsPCjlUXKZ eCTxaRioicofD5cOTzIkmeY6PHrNpH5B01AV8C6k3HaBTTMp5qQQwby0O7eTR9IRzrtl SlmBlIgqZH2+zNNfIprVXCdeJylJW81wOgqxzmLKDqC/+tL/rFfsDslEurOLDvQo89PY ApNA== Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.238.67 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:34 -0800 (PST) References: From: Chris Simo Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:34 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] RPM VS MPH/KPH CALCULATOR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 63 TR4 with 16580R15 tires in 4th gear - 2500rpm=50mph; 3000rpm=60mph. i must have the lucky rear end. As a result, I haven't bothered to fix my speedometer...... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 10:51:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CA54273A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:51:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A53B403F3 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id el20so2981557lab.37 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:48:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=rC047z5lasIZJ9BijuLq6TQ/W0Lg5wc9rrDtIJOKyOY=; b=eXa4X5Kw9SB+1uTpJgSe8AF8EOkCO4wGNX539Rye9uLFYZZL2e4EIgLSY9PgyKscpG UR23YygQFTo7BWtJCXsr34e0M5WfLrF2MrniOQhAd2fZHdNLckMerIb16dOYJzOPW5kI NfvLIIKSXIeXmrt7A59gbt2aQHjW85CxoAYAG3CKvBJ3ZVeYTJC7BIBKoUmwamrupfzC j5MRZRm3+UxJtpTiQ9Acak6fUJ3pslAK9gTJmGjhz7U1v0WpWYMrcEUwbhLPvkFunBB7 zBgajjOmVAE7MJj9VKRMgaxOh/maPZXfuGyEpT7wFMyLFmgaqialdhANAz4+xWQWl6R0 JBug== pk6mr196063lbb.70.1384537228466; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.238.67 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:40:08 -0800 (PST) References: <00c301cee217$91466d00$b3d34700$@cox.net> From: Chris Simo Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:40:08 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 to Jonas - I reused my last head gasket (copper version) after spraying it with copper head gasket spray and after 2000 miles we are still going strong (knock wood). Chris On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Jonas Payne wrote: > I use Copper Sealant - either "coppa seal" spray or "copper coat gasket > compound" brush on by K&W - I have never blown a TR3/4 head gasket and have > put heads on 5 of them. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting Services, LLC > 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 12:39:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090084051D for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:39:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA6A40453 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pqwp1m0060QkzPwA2vbjdm; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:35:43 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-249v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.4]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pvbi1m00S064aEy8NvbiYr; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:35:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:35:42 +0000 (UTC) From: tfansher@comcast.net To: Triumphs (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: TR3 water pump replacements Thread-Index: xJvfbGIKhtziLZQ2Sfrb4LiBGt2Jxw== s=q20121106; t=1384544143; bh=Ov9kx0l+vUDwEEls2Hwn4PTFZ9CUD9+kVCSsmXPK08E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dGpUd/ar57reXcjcBLw2ta6INvrEjav+mtOFdNqBgUYnI3S7VcxHjejbmCd7wcCTC sFTwgHXwP0zDVatGbnjf859nvDLI7lUkvBdfHt5+wAq7ehT16nUBE6L7OMKzDUeF8U epxo9BKBgUOXJmv8ff05cjRL43GLz5VHN33+pr5/zNvM3S2LOqDXbJ0fMVS/EpOrXD EfYina/wx41UWqskqKfjG65hy6ZZlC8NaAViwkkui8Pggnk4QAOR9GnnWYXQICDuuJ P393w8sf2BF4cvmwtWv0oRfTEhvkbUwRDx28EWyhzm+SoqWmbjMOitIKAoYjQXE9Ln oAdCpZviA4ysg== Subject: [TR] TR3 water pump replacements Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone know of a source for the "pressed on" pulley type of water pump assembly. Seems to be a better set up and I'm now in need..... TIA Tom Fansher 60 TR3A 61 TR3A 62 TR4 73 Stag Mk II ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 13:24:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9203542A14 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:24:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CD840524 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:21:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id wp4so4360851obc.36 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:20:36 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=zM7fMDKa9q8fqmanj2QKI6bG0Sr+cXJdCt53+Pw+A3k=; b=QbVYyJ9Prjy87pznR34G0+oGTa+cei8utXTbEWfcXlbMqLbj1SEJ774Rtl9jsRLSQz hOpfLk1un33itxbif6YURh7zPHWl40sTmSv/9x3ZnT2U919R0upe0iLg/3/hQIfsKX4w uRBisIzOK5ueM17v6cFhBG1/lv3N68L5ivKRj0QmT6F1cZAAScD/+KIprfTdjQ4i4HON vkTVwIO0STVBJ4gYEfW2a84c48hxEKNnjWakyF8Sqeej3VI6En9NlqbOspO0eWQVTq0s mF7mILGQ5adVHH+8vnnDsCmXIa6uViUludI7wAJIrC3iYf2LQsFIsZse7ztm8t6tR/jK fINA== hd4mr8770060obb.58.1384546836454; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm7498715oeb.0.2013.11.15.12.20.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'John Macartney'" , References: <006901cee215$6cd8ef30$468acd90$@gmail.com> <1384534687.87831.YahooMailNeo@web171903.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:20:42 -0500 Thread-Index: AQDQ0RxCgo7MSMwEKBjqWm0UDCm8EQIHN7hmnBKkQlA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Many thanks to those that responded. Jim henningsen From: John Macartney [mailto:flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:58 AM To: James Henningsen; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Factory used a normal lightweight general purpose grease lightly smeared with a finger on the block face, both sides of the gasket and the underside of the head. Jonmac From: James Henningsen To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013, 15:14 Subject: [TR] Head Question Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do you use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on a TR4 motor? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 15:14:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980A6429A2 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:14:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DD540511 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:12:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.193]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 380117017FB06 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8F625E0000A7 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:12:00 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384553522; bh=J0CIjo7aO9dD1n8cm7w07AnJnwFOIQQ+7Yl07NU5Oj4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=nzAVAh8y87owMfVpnxrD2wKy53VHZv9oXEcREAfttaIF8jfeS6X7bqXLaG7DLkikF LvOQodWKUDpz45W7Rx8ONBzazfnTy6XtTR8PvlaiqaEJ20axrH6REyWQzyvOj7hEAA MU2kxw6Q4eb32Y8gDNYJiL00JTvxseYi57h+5HIM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c152869c3157d9 Subject: [TR] Request to borrow TR8 valve covers.....fulfilled. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Thanks to all of the kind responses. I think I have an agreement from one TR8 owner that has an engine sitting on the floor. Turns out he is also on my FB, too. If we are able, we should have reusable silicon gaskets available shortly after the first of the year, for the TR8. We are in start up of both a new website and a production start up of about 40 different valve cover gaskets for vintage vehicles. Those can be found on Gasketinnovations.com If you see any errors, or have any suggestions, please let us know. We have three generations of TR family enthusiasts working on this stuff. Joe Alexander ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 18:19:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6518D4287E for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977A34038B for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id uz6so4616402obc.40 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:02:27 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=Gsjc669oQy5IwMLBUs+ddwoyQOAZqGOCmeCOzrqRFzU=; b=XhIo73f/wB4AVG31BqXLOU01aI5XMZUGUyNJCwKE5Qil9eGqOrsWg2C6buDGKO8yAH 7d6tBE7QwD2tdDRmwlcwR9j+7R00UAcG0edIXhFarB1WH+vFteTv4TDHyt8h6R6qykCT MgnarRF4gQeMuzUwI/oyMCWFDaEdeslVfeCN4789+ok1PqQadC9HUnJklJDLu78f/HeY N1DD2T0HqICjy1fTO02YK1JDyNg2p326JeXrJt3WdHGB12msA5KmC9MY0yIUBsVLcDK/ MgINz+q6wvp1f1suo98YBCEPQMAH+qV2sgKUZhX8369HbzelufZDnO8D5WYwCDAx9sOy JGNg== s6mr9646724oeq.40.1384563747346; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b5sm7225334obj.8.2013.11.15.17.02.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Randall'" , References: <006901cee215$6cd8ef30$468acd90$@gmail.com> <20131115233417.26HAK.256448.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:02:33 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHjJmGqSFwt/RNJw1qTQdOq0d6cLJn+gf5A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall and others. A friend of mine said he uses an old racer trick. He sprays the gasket with silver paint top and bottom and installs. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:34 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net; James Henningsen Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question ---- James Henningsen wrote: > Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do > you use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on > a TR4 motor? Are you talking about the original copper-clad composition gasket, or the solid copper gasket sold for racing? The TR2/3 workshop manual specifies "Wellseal" for the head gasket, while the TR4 manual just says "jointing compound". For me, it doesn't seem to make any difference, so I gave up using anything. As long as the liner protrusion is within range on both sides of each liner, the stock gasket seems to seal just fine dry. And if the protrusion isn't right, no amount of goop is going to help. YMMV Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 18:34:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AD040528 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:34:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D1F40453 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id vb8so4615903obc.25 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:11:37 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=hwCgi0w5LNs900RoX9vnJWRwZdtgiRwFr8aldDBLHqI=; b=EvmMW05/7X2/O/NEac8ilZzo1/kxoX7bwjB6iPVtKTeTOclAjp0vgsPFUynNyoK2f5 RXHpNPQ8lKYpqTPq6SqELWrY3ISNUSHhDFkLz3Zcb7SdixQLOkyw0xEqZ3yNeJFnjBDt zNowSIhGy4IgkA5APrfO5YMXqSC3Cyll76+cgKvvJnLZBukU25K4WpLi4ktXLhj3JC9q +0ygnerVkKnVkM5fTe4em1O/7S7Q/3Otj+WKfkeUlLI/jefpBM0LrKudYmRyZDLAOa90 IIXN4/0ArpuyHzY+3J41SfyIUXjQ9N4UrcPUG9raEo1TCHAJHnph2xtpo7g3BissHDgm 70mQ== q9mr4568676oek.79.1384564297605; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rl1sm3718149oeb.7.2013.11.15.17.11.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:11:43 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7iaM9QLe4BwOwkSUWU05P+SvoiKA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Steering Column Rebush follow-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Based on the advice from the list, I used an xacto blade to cut out the buttons on both bushes. A sprayed a little lubricant in the column and used a spark plug socket and extension to lightly tap the old bushes further into the column. The spark plug socket was a perfect fit and the extension allowed me to tap them in sufficiently to allow clearance for the new. The column is out of the car and just got cleaned and painted today. New bushes in soon. Thanks for all the help from the list. Your support of my rebuild project is greatly appreciated. Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 18:46:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E35342982 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:46:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89E84054D for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:33:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWC0089X1MFL540@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:32:40 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "James Henningsen" , References: <006901cee215$6cd8ef30$468acd90$@gmail.com> <20131115233417.26HAK.256448.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> <010b01cee267$88da7490$9a8f5db0$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:33:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net exactly... but the copper has better heat transfer and usually a higher solids content The Permatex Copper spray is nearly identical in 'dried' feel' as cheapo no name copper colored paint (NOT the Duplicolor and caliper paints) Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Randall'" ; Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question > Thanks Randall and others. A friend of mine said he uses an old racer > trick. > He sprays the gasket with silver paint top and bottom and installs. Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:34 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net; James Henningsen > Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question > > > ---- James Henningsen wrote: >> Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do >> you use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on >> a TR4 motor? > > Are you talking about the original copper-clad composition gasket, or the > solid copper gasket sold for racing? > > The TR2/3 workshop manual specifies "Wellseal" for the head gasket, while > the > TR4 manual just says "jointing compound". > > For me, it doesn't seem to make any difference, so I gave up using > anything. > As long as the liner protrusion is within range on both sides of each > liner, > the stock gasket seems to seal just fine dry. And if the protrusion isn't > right, no amount of goop is going to help. YMMV > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 22:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10C42F08 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:01:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm41.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm41.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB724281C for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm41.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 18:33:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.207] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 18:33:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 18:33:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384540430; bh=s4CAcQqp08I3WHHZAVkTVk3GQoCgyt3gja7uTg7fKRI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=oa2S/ykJ34YqIo+dSL4Wgq79BQW0SBBRM5usUI8UF4iY9JZDUrdaAiUXkGll2hxjmePjooF8qFXFFGY/M86RxeBkwQ7M9eg4YHfwMpFWgKn/gP2tFecEuoTSgVIlwaZga99MhwRl8bigjqO701qku00z/aGcR8RaBTxcpWGCMHo= b76RHyLxc0Wx6SeyLsajsT5W1se9fpLJ7LOmd_u1VGbjm39PxFYg6rjQ0kLA Fvyd3oPWF5q0g1aGHZ3DjHRwYP0S3B.o3c.kt_L.yC.IvqoTnTIrhDAf3fKS oeGvnSz4cgoy1EQQNrP0orw3IpR0o5pF26OQH16.XxrTotcNQsk4bxhWC61T 93wOKEZR77YzVeyUFAznqJWYrdtBqElZ8.BDfmWwqfBTfOeubDqD_EXt7tZq oEizqTpZkRBr5vflKf2favOlgkemUkuar1GJR7C0lmDwYUvwHPPU1Sff71No dg_w64wAiNPkG9Jz2DQe3CY9p4VtfP27SSg5xJHCYP3bMiGr8fh74fMH1wwr VQ7B62CP_H6irDuXHGh8eJnyHF_T7b3qzleQXK1M4ZgQex8B_RJJ.fhg7jww Zzz.8zo4D_MvWD2ILKwE_fz9HxZeWpD_xWN.tSm_UUQG3uwUCmkWGDjE2gr1 4Kcm154_d.QtmqrScXaOnJiE1eMCnlFZl7cLBJ1U7s6XeciHLL._fMZJrNEE WToSHpnHk.NZnTtR58u3CrUa59HO8jfRKDO0BCSCBHULZh90K9GQDfMYwjPB YCLo- smtp216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2013 10:33:50 -0800 PST References: From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:33:47 -0600 To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] RPM VS MPH/KPH CALCULATOR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chis, Same numbers and tyres for my TR3A. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > > My 63 TR4 with 16580R15 tires in 4th gear - 2500rpm=50mph; 3000rpm=60mph. > > i must have the lucky rear end. > > As a result, I haven't bothered to fix my speedometer...... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 17:35:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EA542F1A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:35:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEA642F06 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.129]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 41DB470000096 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 19:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B9D0DE0000A5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 19:28:48 -0500 (EST) References: From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:28:20 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384648129; bh=2Q/RWso032/GjlFPiDnFg2f4vQKLF4HyIWdevXRElIg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=dyhaMT9OUpE/sAb3AJoTITZ9cOK5gcX1/vQ2SVO4QXBX5vxgy0u5UZmiFoL7p2oFe kNGGTN64dMZ8EWjeAKc6Kp01wTnhLlCqKLAtYFK4IdXWWp/UnlImPsXfU1VvDSPA1h 46sfcMYqlKXVvase+ADLWLVSS5D1qIQxq4oVERvA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338152880dc01299 Subject: [TR] Road America & the K Cup 2013. John Seaman DVD is now available. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This comes from Kas.....he has reviewed the John Seaman Production DVD. See below. This was the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup and we are proud of it. Lots of Triumph footage. If you were there, you may want this DVD in your archives....or even if you weren't. The people that drove them 60 years ago are included in this video...this is history and it marches on. Eagles Canyon in Texas, next year. > From: Kas Kastner > Date: November 16, 2013 at 1:09:07 PM CST > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Road America & the K Cup race > > John Seaman has made a great 70 minute video of the races and interviews > with shots of lots of the cars and interesting views and bits. If you would > like to see this DVD contact website for ordering at: the-vintage-racer.com > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 18:06:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E98142F35 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:06:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D13D42F15 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131117010542.GLBB10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:05:42 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id qR5i1m0031UBpzb05R5ien; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:05:42 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=WxBQ33K1B_UA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Ui_9DVttec4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WxO-f5ISCgW1_-k8WwwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:05:41 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIlTJGhOaPvRvwuVc/2263eN8oqtwIfAimcmWrQa/A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] RPM VS MPH/KPH CALCULATOR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 2002 Diesel Dodge 3500 (4.10 but with an overdrive 6th gear) does 2000 at 60. But, I don't plan to see if the approximate redline of 3000 will produce 90! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:33 PM To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] RPM VS MPH/KPH CALCULATOR? My 63 TR4 with 16580R15 tires in 4th gear - 2500rpm=50mph; 3000rpm=60mph. i must have the lucky rear end. As a result, I haven't bothered to fix my speedometer...... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 21:49:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EE942F3E for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:49:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EA642EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131116154917861.PAHM13280@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:49:17 +0000 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=7xjUflPn_FQA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=mCRP-tvjEQYA:10 a=JjEWaJfC09ia6HhiM1QA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=8Me7nzhh1W8A:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:37339] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 07/4B-07922-9A397825; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:47:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:48:21 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Trafficator TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I decided to finally get to a job I have been putting off for quite some time. A few years ago I noticed my steering wheel was a bit loose so yesterday seemed like a good day to start the job. It was about 50 degrees so I wouldnt freeze in the garage. Removing the trafficator assembly was not that difficult. The three set screws loosened ok and I was able to remove the brass nut and ferrule on the gearbox. I then looked through my socket collection but soon discovered I didnt have one large enough! Maybe that is the reason I didnt get it tight enough with my channel locks. in the first place! Quick trip to Lowes didnt produce the socket. It turned out to be a 1 5/16. They had 1 1/4 and 1 1/2. Clerk said it was a special size. Well, next door is a Tractor supply and they had the socket and it was only 8 bucks. So back home I attached the socket to my impact wrench and I now have a tight wheel. So I turned my attention to the trafficator assembly. I purchased a NOS wire harness a few years back on Ebay. The existing one was frayed in a few spots and had shorted out in the past leaving the horn on. I figured it would be a easy swap. I forgot how small those screws and nuts are and the fact that I cant see S$%t. Well I got the new harness installed and with the help of my wife, now have the assembly installed! I hope that is the last time I have to work on that assembly! And I am happy that Triumph left that design on the bench when they came out with the 4. Must be because of the Rack and Pinion. Now all I need is Spring! Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 21:50:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F49342F52 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:50:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C9F42EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:48:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.53]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131115233536748.ILEI6315@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:35:36 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=FDeHKvrYvfcA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=1-GfBTjlxSiTrFOpTs8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:42780] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 81/85-01931-97FA6825; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:34:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:34:17 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net, James Henningsen Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- James Henningsen wrote: > Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do you > use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on a TR4 > motor? Are you talking about the original copper-clad composition gasket, or the solid copper gasket sold for racing? The TR2/3 workshop manual specifies "Wellseal" for the head gasket, while the TR4 manual just says "jointing compound". For me, it doesn't seem to make any difference, so I gave up using anything. As long as the liner protrusion is within range on both sides of each liner, the stock gasket seems to seal just fine dry. And if the protrusion isn't right, no amount of goop is going to help. YMMV Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 12:11:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DD842F3C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:11:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7A5403DD for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 35D41700354BD for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.197]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EEF6FE000085 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:07:08 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Alan Myers Received: from 74.95.11.209 by webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:07:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:07:08 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384715229; bh=ccqgVEsLlRdQoN5oWXIPTElqApPkQaUFoqYadxctJxE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GkoJcQQb0F8G0PfWX5n2Ms8KEInIV2idO9unhI69b1XdGWXiV1z9v8n3hh1p2rh1U latvJvnE9xeKd+q5/duw1i6Zsf/2ulhMKV1YZRSPXL/zCoUy2uNFFcECnL4BGN1ZSR XByShaqE3SU05ocWDl52db2oL25E/+QWzYVvCGgc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b528913dc57b0 Subject: Re: [TR] Head question & Steering Column rebush Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jim, Yes, I've done that too... I understand that any metallic rattle can spray paint with high metallic particle content will do. Silver, copper, gold paints all will work. I learned the trick from an old, old Ford truck repair shop that helped me out with an on-the-road repair of a 6 cylinder motor that broke down on me in S. Oregon. The engine sucked in a couple screws that came loose from the carb's air cleaner assembly. We had to remove the head to get them out and inspect the engine (fortunately no harm was done to pistons, rings, cylinder walls or valves & seats). This was an interesting 60 or 70 old repair shop in Port Orford that serviced logging trucks and other heavy equipment. A lot of their power tools still ran off a complex and ancient belt and pulley system that was originally steam driven. The owner of the shop showed me the trick of using plain old spray paint to coat both sides the gasket, we did that when reassembling my truck's motor and it was still working perfectly when I sold that van some years later. I should note, though, that it was not a copper head gasket. It was some sort of composite (stock item). As a side note, that was one of the most enjoyable break-downs I ever had... the locals treated us like long-lost friends, I spent some days working alongside the "old school" mechanics, and they only charged me $275 for a job that likely would have cost 4 or 5 times that back here in Calif. When I wasn't working on the van, we explored that friendly little town we might have just driven through (a single stop light on the freeway, at the time). Turned out they had a 4 star restaurant, great accommodations, a lovely lighthouse just north of town and had a small but thriving fishing fleet. In some ways, the break-down was the luckiest and best part of that vacation road trip! Regarding re-bushing your steering column... Use WD40 on the new bushings, to help them slide into place easily. Once in, WD40 evaporates and dries out completely leaving the bushings pretty much "welded" in place. Worked for me (and will work on many types of rubber... golf club grips, motorcycle grips, bicycle handlebar grips, etc.) This is one of those rare times that WD40's uselessness as a lubricant, only being effective for a very short term, comes in handy. Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1@aol.com '62 TR4 CT17602L www.triumphowners.com/640 Triumphest 2009 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amfoto1/collections/72157626673107235/ 2009 Monterey Historic Races http://www.flickr.com/photos/amfoto1/collections/72157622075403328/ -----Original Message----- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:02:33 -0500 From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Randall'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Head Question ...A friend of mine said he uses an old racer trick. He sprays the gasket with silver paint top and bottom and installs. Jim ---- James Henningsen wrote: > Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but better safe than sorry. Do > you use any gasket sealant when installing a new copper head gasket on > a TR4 motor? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:11:43 -0500 From: "James Henningsen" To: Subject: [TR] Steering Column Rebush follow-up ... New bushes in soon... ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 13:16:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37F0403CF for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:16:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE212403C6 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i7so1041724oag.10 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:14:59 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=HkoLIhvRNeBUrZeYqnDmibt4LQ84TMIhMaN5TYDsTg8=; b=A127tzOS99oizvog5RBiSV4vGn8YOGbT2t4fCt/92pbaPxqGwMjXiEnTYRqP4t9XZL DbsiD4hjwkqoRmjSacygMBkR/tQlMdgmplUNTP0iW6hRnt2FRw3UhVP2L9KFTzJD83eB CDOX/ruGRCRB7OrTJQjZls0V9Z4KwZ2sHApjPN/k8EvVToHTN+iTpeH74FyN9M5icZmt KwFZjRO8Vbaq+WDjVJSz8+GlFz66THLUa9M9/TljIyhUjfxsW7Ft9YaVAHuz/AYmota9 n0KGG5cOq7D5oqodZksspGkrAPPqEErik3dt3opcbb/4quZVJUq84ZskHBO10Y8vXRXf Ilaw== Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nw5sm18252374obc.9.2013.11.17.12.14.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:15:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7j0bZVuQCT08ZfQLGBvNEsgoAiNA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Dash Cover Adhesive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't glued a dash cover in over ten years. Any current recommendations on adhesive and is there any adhesive you can use that allows some movement to get the right fit. I seem to remember the adhesive that requires you to lay the cover once and pray you got the holes lined up as it wasn't coming back up. Any thoughts as I am on the penultimate step before installing the dash. Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 13:27:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CD942F3B for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:27:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9C9403C7 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:21:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so4109939vbj.14 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:20:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=q5uOERi8yRNn5OqaC8VA6TnlC1BI7R2ciiJD5m8H7co=; b=rhAhDQ0uj3rP740OamHKBVhgMp85Ve36KdlPBWf+m4bulbv2jJc8GOF1HOjP66NT0D FxcPfSMQDAzmZHZffwtW78ywN3n5lxegmSzfgQ3Y/oilO5klohUdNT7YU0XhCunavUd9 /c055iMeX0QUfhWOfOuWmpQ6moo+k1X3oFIzRpotAXNrvsGSENelp4ZaYm4Q0o0MyMU2 PkOjmImKWEOl9DQLaM9fSUOlT6SvrS7N90rnWoj4jXyTQWQNN5R/sevFww+jdQV8iy1r KuzKZzg7cy7bGt46io1+pK8dyRTm8Pb8IG7yb4FpC37sw9dD5+Iu1wFKdAXusQTeKy00 AB7A== yo5mr10003162vdc.0.1384719626326; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:20:26 -0800 (PST) References: <00ff01cee3d1$b74cb250$25e616f0$@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:20:26 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Cover Adhesive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I haven't glued a dash cover in over ten years. Any current > recommendations > on adhesive and is there any adhesive you can use that allows some movement > to get the right fit. It's been more than 10 years since I did this so the memory is vague -- but I'm thinking I used very little adhesive and then just a light coat of a 3M spray. It seemed to me at the time that adhesive aside, the front edge of that cover was clamped down very well by the windscreen frame. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 13:31:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB11242F32 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:31:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E95040395 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:29:58 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:30:00 -0600 References: <00ff01cee3d1$b74cb250$25e616f0$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Cover Adhesive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I did not need to use an adhesive. The combination of sandwiching the pad between the windshield up high, and facia down low did the trick. Plus, the vents in the top also hold it in place. On Nov 17, 2013, at 2:15 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I haven't glued a dash cover in over ten years. Any current recommendations > on adhesive and is there any adhesive you can use that allows some movement > to get the right fit. I seem to remember the adhesive that requires you to > lay the cover once and pray you got the holes lined up as it wasn't coming > back up. Any thoughts as I am on the penultimate step before installing the > dash. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 18:02:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A3A40548 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:02:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D09403C6 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:01:17 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=Vv79eH2SE2n2rOjd16pTrzW0mOyvMSmibXiiISkkUFLdcLQRyt/pB0jtjbYe1a1X; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ViDCG-0000VV-U2 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:00:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:00:27 -0600 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR250 Air valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I got air valves (pistons) for my wife's TR250 strombergs that have adjustable needles as it runs rich at the moment. I put the new needles in the valves and replaced the old air valves with the new ones. The Tr250 sounded great with the old valves in place and horrible with the new ones. I was expecting to have to do some adjusting, but this was more than I expected. With the new air valves, the font carb pulled about 10 on my synchronizer and the back pulled about 15. I put the old valves back in and the front one pulled about 6.5 and the pack pulled 7./ The only thing I changed was the air valve/needle combination. Why would changing the the air valves cause so much difference? Thanks, Roger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 18:18:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2541A42A58 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:18:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313C5403C6 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:16:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hu8so3274988vcb.0 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:16:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lvRup3F3dLcc4sgE5FzSIY1mFp0Hpimu/Zc73pJ1A/8=; b=VDtyVhaJMuWYUj2hfxpQbb9v8sluJxAaxnkq0uWdMYj6LcgsrB0BoMgWdK7RQZ8uyj rfBkzfTsXsQkiMr56ZhkDpw+k8luDBdI/qevbAdLUdEnmUYz7do+Qhck/Yy+KrFb3lWH AOQ3jTg82mxNgr/28ZpmG/QqXLnYiHCc3iHWw7Sryn4Y8YeQ9OlURedBMXZVt/yceMUF smWkqoPj7Rxj+90j8/uyKec/TrWpzlQesOCncyNlMkq4Vo5MlR24TDy0SvqTQAAEXp1H 9pUYkfKLtr8Sub7bXa+FI3jKTMPdIIn3JjkXuafl1v1KzFr791+Idp852O/RApt+6LKs Bgrg== ft3mr10942270vdb.5.1384737363245; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:16:03 -0800 (PST) References: <528966AB.7020108@rmi.net> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:16:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Roger Elliott Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 Air valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would expect different needles to produce different running characteristics - especially prior to any adjustment. So far as I know the reading on the synchronizers is meaningless except as a comparison of one carb to the other. Were it I, I'd balance the carbs then set the mixture by whatever means this set-up allows before making any judgment on how it runs. Geo On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > > I got air valves (pistons) for my wife's TR250 strombergs that have > adjustable needles as it runs rich at the moment. I put the new needles in > the valves and replaced the old air valves with the new ones. > > The Tr250 sounded great with the old valves in place and horrible with the > new ones. I was expecting to have to do some adjusting, but this was more > than I expected. > > With the new air valves, the font carb pulled about 10 on my synchronizer > and the back pulled about 15. I put the old valves back in and the front > one pulled about 6.5 and the pack pulled 7./ > > The only thing I changed was the air valve/needle combination. > > Why would changing the the air valves cause so much difference? > > Thanks, > Roger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 23:24:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E15242F3B for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:24:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640F242F32 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:21:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6A0A0259 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:20:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:20:41 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: Triumphs References: <528966AB.7020108@rmi.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 Air valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Same diaphragms for both cases? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 09:16:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7E942F57 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:16:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6AD403BB for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:15:53 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=PTpQ7Lj/GNXxzAQtvZoCh9O41UgWBLYTnnt+s6bTcDZhMIkcrP2YQaqvBD4hrQFx; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.41] (helo=elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ViRTT-0007Fq-M0 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:14:55 -0500 Received: from 198.203.177.177 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:14:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:14:54 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Roger Elliott To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 Air valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I used the same diphragms. I only have one set of the rings that hold the diaphragms in place, so it was easiest to just use the same diaphragms. I did check, they are not ripped. Roger >Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 Air valves > >Same diaphragms for both cases? > >mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 05:27:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4237842EF0 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:27:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC4F40437 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 12:24:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.53] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 12:24:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 12:24:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384863854; bh=IXd8usc1rQEvCJPs0XI508LFhEDbS6oCgeeRm60PW1A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=jTZrsxyxBMZl/tW5c6FSQe82EV5tDZW9mCZZp47QVmKDj1dxTPu+JA9vzzAfdeCqRbFIaSZIENzsUOKG/t2qk82cJ/QhhavcjmPAAy3pfa6IsqTxHofZLEUiLSqm0CB81zLHP1lj4zXVlhkmT4X5tdrfLGl/rSaAD00LskG7Ms4= .LaFL1vU7NlHh8blnP3_737wK1s_E8.HdbctMm6Q9PGQ4SnxU_QcEZSSsBg_ i36LaUVw8fFmCch6jFz4vme974y1UTnL4oEaI2nP8hUsBcdg4KgE4Xaycm6z RW1yWH6wrAv13PRruJseJmxg.DADOFaGPOTMktpzE3SKtk7.Gzb94WkO9Sdb 9VEbBdFnWGwI5EsBNcccK7aa_5OJLdkWrCg.aji5q.sVb5v1K0dvk4l9xFH3 q82vxqMkaYz4SZiLvZIUEX5F7uSgab4eGfE6armH95nXB3VAm_zuma16XsAB uRiWOz_SOzhbleDdN6o7EjNzNlQAoAzZP6Fv9Mz5Am0lYTW6ANlH9Io5uTWl KRt52P3TNHDIiCOp.s_wzEtrCdzGao76Ivp5TjF4HcCZcwjhmWwwI71HR.Bn MRZTl2v.fj9YlRXRNpIJC1lLl3dQrzbgFIHRDV0o8VlfyygwyAhAIPHRSuMn j7SatcT7zmpuDsuqJ3EVPLFMdOdpaCxJ0lMDA3TBxP7VLp72flZLTRlUWmqk lgvkxW0MuoEnmn5FsDQ-- by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 04:24:14 -0800 PST From: Berger Bob Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:24:11 -0600 To: nass@yahoogroups.com, list Triumph Subject: [TR] Correct Jets for HS-2 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I took black jets off of my carbs when I disassembled them but the new rebuild kit came with red jets. Other than the black jets having longer hoses to the float bowels they look identical to the red ones. What carb are the black jets supposed to go on? Thanks Berger Bob 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 05:38:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7FC403E9 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E60403E9 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 12:29:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.157] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 12:29:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 12:29:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384864171; bh=+FFzAEVe5Ofh85NbuT51GilQIYMuz29o2p8kpQ4WUJE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:References:To:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=X9Eo0zJXlp4+o3USbHfWByiaNKMlIUsLOSEksuH+KQHVSu78yc0AON9QdvojK+Lp7BF8JHe/pR26MLoyLtx0v3JPLtitoWYtL0sKrdv0amV65fviBtYuShz0xO1JoPmr9X2XRPYyzHfGv+CHs6F0IXcsQxJKZG2WGiGVDrhBBcg= WNSfJVKiTY8dMIjHBPFGp6u1U2P3hXfg3SZcuXGgxf_Qd3Z.EMJMeEBlpleg WQ596f9M.Bwo3vzdJJtJjp3TUxXhcic9S.7FSx_UttzFMIqvYTP_4_POrbew lOvGVXRzrAA3ENwMHneu55I_WAarkyZF6XGysoQHQJwaZBzlLxGLH5oYO8M4 Ltspu_ShwnYOJbXzv91syMtMj4LrTRcSKA7bf4aVRSKt0uiP.rtxZu0.irW1 hGWIUgeAwRPgfnI1F3icgY1PKrN6tNCUpK89uxgf1nbplnt7By6aXkZgnt84 WHV8_gk7s0CFGBWqV44YIgDr6yQNOhULE3_dJO3DVxOUL8Z9pQEDVFEPvpoU fk9sPVErqMkZzrUyKxn62Dr12k5YRDZ5F_z8jCbiPNAtABMjRJ4_XtybPa4J VmnPf26BGMeP7aLEFBIui45iLRnBOVRcNnNc02ObjN0AMpH3pLOvqJzvAt8r pA8CDgBfKt5TLvKVYlZzm.sM1scOccOAhTXW6oQJmHRFJSmpAOBfaWBK0AOk A3NcZR5TgqzzPC9jqOQ-- by smtp117.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 12:29:31 +0000 UTC From: Berger Bob Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:29:30 -0600 References: <22926987-FBEB-453D-B559-2DF103535A7E@sbcglobal.net> To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Correct Jets for HS-2 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I took black jets off of my carbs when I disassembled them but the new rebuild kit came with red jets. Other than the black jets having longer hoses to the float bowels they look identical to the red ones. What carb are the black jets supposed to go on? Thanks Berger Bob 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 06:56:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A64942F5B for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:56:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75A6403E4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 13:55:00 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.247] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 13:55:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 13:55:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1320 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2013 13:54:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384869299; bh=nlZ61tWyizkWQpjJJbXnv0+UwXrFIrHT++sA76ktQds=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s8NvKV3na33edq9OHCgGbsK1BVUcbiQxk2dZqW31RDHHZCwmUiepqdrMX/oKVdhpD3/i3Z8L8jPtDcY9BTZjL97j5Yxt/cetaLxFkAyO2+5kWDfGs5SMX3Fv2apxw2/z7NmTPvHhBtvHsFVaNiWDToYU+qTGOQCkI8PXW04ry2g= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wQKfkF5d89ib4eJl+/QFivJM54sZbSPXr6gWKWRamHKzlW47dymib6c3RfgxWm8yiuNDHBEF/djeR67C/l3wpdBXXqmJhSXsFLLrzUyrfVVv3eGH3Oty/e7Wu3jqlRgKKxxZEjJ6dR0kRpowsGolDZk9E0P+KTgFHsd9WTsi408=; PLR1aMtJZE4PUbZjGso.OipZc7UZcf_6Q0c9dZDhMDkb2QqHr3skQopQNjhq J6z.j226nfC10FXgjJuTJYQBjwRgA1NRsl.FNkn17XRG7jx01LBxHEzR4eHU aCQq_m2HZct8nTIejVOga1W_kfasetipvHkkHll58G9vvxkEGs43.YHCyELZ w7MJ0PhwfH6fHzzzNsehuTQ0Az.V4wMZkgq0F42Ak_tx2wLx1pt_XVgZ_X.W pen8Cb30kLKwSHVwxMLrDlmojs3YXerJytB.MQoiiUOlMmpgro84Ec4Sawl6 dBn9O5jmEnOvLVddufClDfpx8I3J9MJ4sbxZhaXhIQKK7BppCUxzP7MIhpaE nz8dcjH0KT9RI2yoY3h50z1c57WKFER2d3cULRgVyM7mOeY1PFx8.9q4XpiT XCi8TH7yZKubwHFsK4NZsLUh.WJLItlxyVf9hP5rEt3FRkAGOzJa95Rxw7eQ AqzzIcIxCzqRZckwUAhcWDrilOISziOBCHYEzMZAzCkmDEsBlNAu21EYH3sd Kk47A3GjGiy63XDADPx.uraZz Received: from [108.199.51.148] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:54:59 PST wqAgwqAgwqBKdXN0IGN1cmlvdXMuIERvIHlvdSBoYXZlIHRvIHB1bGwgdGhlIHN0aWNrIHNoaWZ0IG9mZiBvZiB0aGUgVFIzIHRyYW5zIHdoZW4gcHVsbGluZyBvdXQgdGhlIFRSMyB0cmFucy9lbmdpbmUgY29tYm8_IE9yIGNhbiB5b3UgZ2V0IGl0IG91dCB3aXRoIHRoZSBzdGljayBzdGlsbCBvbj8gSSdsbCBwdWxsIHRoZSBzdGljayBvZmYsIGJ1dCBJIHdhcyB3b25kZXJpbmcuLi4KCsKgIMKgIMKgQmlsbCBpbiBUZWhhY2hhcGkBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Pulling TR3 engine/trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just curious. Do you have to pull the stick shift off of the TR3 trans when pulling out the TR3 trans/engine combo? Or can you get it out with the stick still on? I'll pull the stick off, but I was wondering... Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 07:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581D742FC2 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:00:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B42403E4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-233-222.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.233.222]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWI00CPDK6XB440@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:23 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-19_05:2013-11-19,2013-11-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311190060 From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:59:17 -0800 References: <1384869299.81596.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Pulling TR3 engine/trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Nov 19, 2013, at 5:54 AM, William Brewer wrote: > Just curious. Do you have to pull the stick shift off of the TR3 trans > when pulling out the TR3 trans/engine combo? Or can you get it out with the > stick still on? I'll pull the stick off, but I was wondering... > > Ive never removed it when Ive pulled the engine & trans on my TR4A. You have to tilt the tranny down anyway when taking it out. I think the shifter on the TR3 is a little different, but probably doesnt stick up more overall. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 07:11:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F007242F65 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:11:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE23403E4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MWI00DQFKHN8Y70@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:05:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from 63.239.65.11 ([63.239.65.11]) by vznit170184 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:05:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:05:47 -0600 (CST) From: ptegler@verizon.net To: bberger720@sbcglobal.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Correct Jets for HS-2 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 07:12:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D9142FAF for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:12:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37F1403E4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:07:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MWI00M56KIZ044O@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from 63.239.65.11 ([63.239.65.11]) by vznit170184 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:06:35 -0600 (CST) From: ptegler@verizon.net To: nass@yahoogroups.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] >>NASS Correct Jets for HS-2 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 07:12:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F70042FBC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:12:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E1B42F66 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:12:03 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=7xjUflPn_FQA:10 a=Q1AMZP-9O3gA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=u0D6SDOPeYoA:10 a=m69ZjTQankDuomJvAwUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:44805] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EA/03-09301-F617B825; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:10:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:11:25 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: William Brewer , Triumphs References: <1384869299.81596.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Pulling TR3 engine/trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I would remove the stick. If you make a mistake and hit the stick on the body when removing then it is very possible that the cover casting will break at or about the area of where the stick is located. It is not too strong in that area. I broke a cover a long time ago just by trying to remove the steel collar that holds the stick assembly. Although you can remove the engine/transmission assembly without removing the stick, you will have a lot more room with the stick removed. So on the same subject, be careful when removing the stick assembly if you choose to do so. That steel can sort of cause the casting to rust. When replacing use liberal amounts of grease or anti seize. I also sanded the casting area where the steel collar attach to insure a easy fit when re-assembly. Bob On 11/19/2013 08:54 AM, William Brewer wrote: > Just curious. Do you have to pull the stick shift off of the TR3 trans > when pulling out the TR3 trans/engine combo? Or can you get it out with the > stick still on? I'll pull the stick off, but I was wondering... > > Bill in > Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 07:24:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FA242F56 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:24:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CBB40437 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:16:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DECEA70160A3F for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.10]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 71DADE000099 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:15:46 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:15:46 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384870546; bh=vBYjNGpupwxM8IURPJ501ehkOi6vai/7kjYmvWypy0Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JJ70d5EkOoklwuS5a7a4oKwJFdViW3ItAOeuvAfYK8Mp9gWq4K5RDLbWWRNEhi/XH d6fhCe0JXgKYvAgscFPJp93sVoDLqO8EVY3JAEQg/QfQKdHr+c/fPbh9qZIVxQykVQ GAOmynWdbSM9QIvWXmBKod+LWutPaOaT6BbULIbs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c528b72925f90 Subject: Re: [TR] Pulling TR3 engine/trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Also, the threaded portion of the shift lever is hollow and quite weak. I second the suggestion. Dave In a message dated 11/19/2013 8:11:27 AM Central Standard Time, yellowtr@adelphia.net writes: > I would remove the stick. If you make a mistake and hit the stick on the > body when removing then it is very possible that the cover casting will > break at or about the area of where the stick is located. It is not too > strong in that area. I broke a cover a long time ago just by trying to > remove the steel collar that holds the stick assembly. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 07:40:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2945642A51 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:40:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4BE403F1 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 14:39:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.250] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 14:39:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 14:39:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384871953; bh=4BuTz2HArx3m2CNTf50cbKHz9TA//hol2FhLW6IMuHE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=UP1c8d/DuxekproqWIrF13hBrrJhw41VBfYi/ayada9VQozLA6k/Rax7XFSFl73x0ffYBj/QAhk/44LcFiZvbTM+Wrsu7seck7mCE6/6R9AR2PhxjYx+7l/O84B60M02RDx3VBzVpNJlJ/Yle24Yz/zrEmoNyh2Mutzf5bXDexY= AqB0DiGxR1S4Js9E5xDRtotVwhV35vbPfm7LtPECvrW5TQRCDOigdiSkUGFT eVRtxezGoeCPCXln0xluSCxjvOq50A9x3BDWlVSGkNr.Q6dpc8fekYQbc20f XLE7wusTl4fYGdnOfPcL7GO_H5TpmnwKiullms5aBj31Ga11VmJAV4xSAba2 ElvG_GO5nTYqsoJ0aljWg30ejKq7kHKfRjETUv7xJ6_oyLm4PkCQaIS36YAT 6ObM3dExX3ZrV5H7FSXshBjiWqnUteTNSTvnFQdXIUXU.HaS.4_e70bV.rTz jWYEyyFu5xu5IVHx17G_eRZyTlPHWqm4I_UNNVPPZ3w6IXrahozn.PBFdix_ SiVTKkQ9iRZp96CNNg8pktcv0.tZOISx6vhqlJ8eD4A4BNghQ.RCwqAZ9amn w_zYv7_zshb.YDGUMDeLionLO6tMtz7HO.2okf_RamVGOOcm3WSBfjpHcqP3 6aH_PKhV5ZR1oUqsD_4h_xcsDf8eEss5p7_3ebnD6UsucimWHqh6DKX98Ddo VhcpdfyhblOXwB9GXg74Jokd.VqeDoLODAEUNNkpR5xdI61HUzyBb7bxk smtp120.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 14:39:12 +0000 UTC From: To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1384869299.81596.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:38:56 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7lLxKu6BJxczEDRvCD916XuEGAMAABVyBA Subject: Re: [TR] Pulling TR3 engine/trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, You can but life is so much easier if you remove it. Just a couple of bolts and you have gained another 8-10 inches of clearance. My tip: Have the car up on secure jack stands so you can get the maximum tilt on your way out/in to minimize scraping on the firewall and throttle rod(if not removed). Enjoy, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:55 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Pulling TR3 engine/trans Just curious. Do you have to pull the stick shift off of the TR3 trans when pulling out the TR3 trans/engine combo? Or can you get it out with the stick still on? I'll pull the stick off, but I was wondering... Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 11:29:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0742F76 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:29:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11168403FE for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 18:24:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.192] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 18:24:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 18:24:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384885479; bh=Exbz8F8k/eu2NpAkOG4OHRmPzrMJ+oIqCGI3yY/utQ8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=xKE7K3vkRIshiOiJcIf0fUfykcUNsBfkZaJO4ZxPM58MzPXgb2Fe8XVvBVSN711K9F1hxFB7cBVJFvJkwxoOzCZkUrLsD+ZALEftUMeDhEq6l2OqkkNiQlF1LKwufpKdVdhRpyOzVdRdntpYzYDd6bWeKssjFyOotB4HeKqp2cw= 4gmGkATwZ82i.8dGOjL5OzyyVrjA2hnm7nZ7Kfk9g.0n3AVhk7tnjrvZGkjE .0Et3jnSM81ksx2.SeaDpj1.e2JbDcBoSIYmUBqvjPiZd19nVg9rc46grJpP nUAdBH2_mO.g6iVXcZg.8HXeynTqQjpKByHygPiw0rQwpp30OU6k332c1S9h a_qxXjdwcev4N.nqzTDRWthv.yhzenbUZ6PrPVUvhGq_octhib6.lOjkVwJX Rx8aBSE_4r7AHgfbMwcp7R3HteKiW3npW03Xn4hJaQ7.l1ft9U309rRd1Jeu XUnXLSX7Ddxk9c04HcCVVfApy.KU_tcZmCl55PD5okBWVU85uAevSZcgOU8A iG02.H04aNDgkMGDoZ47ezzyUxu1d19oRnEdvML3kTIW0tKOcEPjoL9853CB 84XA.ODqOI7vVEhnhK02xGbArs4P2zeAdWLzNU_y8RlTERs.6OaYxrFVrEGA 1NRVBKlEGowq3yKfGDvhrkaogAhi0CTDq8v_cYjb63ROKHLZgBASIeGjhPBT DwQ-- smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 10:24:39 -0800 PST From: WBEECH Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:24:38 -0600 To: "" , Rover Owner Mailing List the Land Subject: [TR] International shipping. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello list, I'm looking for a good carrier to ship a vehicle from Texas to Luxembourg. My schedule is flexible in order to save funds. All suggestions appreciated. Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 22:27:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9395E42EF3 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:27:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA1F4287E for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:25:26 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:25:30 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, First, thanks for all of the suggestions to date! In my obsessive desire to get the car to "purr" at idle, I have: Set the valve lash (I even measured the cam lobes for good measure) Set the timing Set the idle Set the mixture I am getting between 20-21 vacuum at the intake manifold. Roughly 185 compression on all four cylinders But I was still getting a "jumpy" idle, normally varying between 800-900 RPM, occasionally dropping into the 700s.. So, on a suggestion from Randall I went and got myself a timing light and found the timing is jumping, to the advance side. Hmm.. maybe the dizzy gear end float. Checked it. Just over .007.. just exceeding the upper limit. But I thought, maybe its the Pertronix dizzy with a loose advance. Pulled it out and dropped in my recently rebuilt Lucus tonight. Set it to the same timing as the other (8' BTDC), and I still have the jumpy timing, again to the advance. So, I've got something that is causing the spark to fire too soon at idle. But it evens out when I give it some throttle. At this point I am suspecting that maybe that dizzy gear is jumping around, causing the sporadic advance. But this space is taken up under throttle. Or, the timing gear/chain has got some sort of slop. I'm considering having my dizzy pedestal shaved done .003" to take up the float space, and/or replacing the dizzy gear. I'd like to eliminate these before diving into the gear/chain. Anyone know where I can source a "new" dizzy gear? Anything else I am not thinking of? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 03:04:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4CC43071 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:04:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0798642A14 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:03:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781eb2.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.30.178]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MWL00D5CYKGN2D0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:02:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:02:56 -0500 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8F0D58C4-F10D-404E-A00F-77BED8A173CA@genfiniti.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've heard that the timing chain tensioners on these engines can break off. That would give you some slop in the timing. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com On 11/21/2013 12:25 AM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > All, > > First, thanks for all of the suggestions to date! > > In my obsessive desire to get the car to "purr" at idle, I have: > > Set the valve lash (I even measured the cam lobes for good measure) > Set the timing > Set the idle > Set the mixture > > I am getting between 20-21 vacuum at the intake manifold. > Roughly 185 compression on all four cylinders > > But I was still getting a "jumpy" idle, normally varying between 800-900 RPM, > occasionally dropping into the 700s.. > > So, on a suggestion from Randall I went and got myself a timing light and > found the timing is jumping, to the advance side. > Hmm.. maybe the dizzy gear end float. > Checked it. Just over .007.. just exceeding the upper limit. > > But I thought, maybe its the Pertronix dizzy with a loose advance. > Pulled it out and dropped in my recently rebuilt Lucus tonight. > Set it to the same timing as the other (8' BTDC), and I still have the jumpy > timing, again to the advance. > > So, I've got something that is causing the spark to fire too soon at idle. > But it evens out when I give it some throttle. > > At this point I am suspecting that maybe that dizzy gear is jumping around, > causing the sporadic advance. > But this space is taken up under throttle. > Or, the timing gear/chain has got some sort of slop. > > I'm considering having my dizzy pedestal shaved done .003" to take up the > float space, and/or replacing the dizzy gear. > I'd like to eliminate these before diving into the gear/chain. > > Anyone know where I can source a "new" dizzy gear? > Anything else I am not thinking of? > > > > Cheers, > > Guy D. Huggins > 1965 Triumph TR4A > CTC 63569LO > > Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 04:05:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F73430D6 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:05:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556A8430BD for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131121110407.GHAB24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:04:07 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id sB471m0091UBpzb05B47Wn; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:04:07 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=n8UBRS6e0u4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Hqk9H_ReAAAA:8 a=wRotkgHCf719A_q0qq8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , References: <8F0D58C4-F10D-404E-A00F-77BED8A173CA@genfiniti.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:04:05 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGg7FQIjvzmG/hd6hYOBZccgnBBC5qLef9A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe a worn, sloppy timing chain? Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:26 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update All, First, thanks for all of the suggestions to date! In my obsessive desire to get the car to "purr" at idle, I have: Set the valve lash (I even measured the cam lobes for good measure) Set the timing Set the idle Set the mixture I am getting between 20-21 vacuum at the intake manifold. Roughly 185 compression on all four cylinders But I was still getting a "jumpy" idle, normally varying between 800-900 RPM, occasionally dropping into the 700s.. So, on a suggestion from Randall I went and got myself a timing light and found the timing is jumping, to the advance side. Hmm.. maybe the dizzy gear end float. Checked it. Just over .007.. just exceeding the upper limit. But I thought, maybe its the Pertronix dizzy with a loose advance. Pulled it out and dropped in my recently rebuilt Lucus tonight. Set it to the same timing as the other (8' BTDC), and I still have the jumpy timing, again to the advance. So, I've got something that is causing the spark to fire too soon at idle. But it evens out when I give it some throttle. At this point I am suspecting that maybe that dizzy gear is jumping around, causing the sporadic advance. But this space is taken up under throttle. Or, the timing gear/chain has got some sort of slop. I'm considering having my dizzy pedestal shaved done .003" to take up the float space, and/or replacing the dizzy gear. I'd like to eliminate these before diving into the gear/chain. Anyone know where I can source a "new" dizzy gear? Anything else I am not thinking of? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 07:21:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F080430D5 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:21:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A91D4306F for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id p5so379784vbn.36 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:13:04 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+w9GqairsmVF8kYtLMzBx3vTke/YK8uNrF8ySiiRves=; b=bqjI9za9+671bGnziHoOJaX60SsCMepsWMnRIHScSaZuTS77mzAPjg060lsM7c33ay 2rCJ2QYhke+2EYVFRXSIlNYFSAG8Ya8b1WKjV4hiV3eXa3y4FCD+20oAzGBEulEhADpV SI/6M6thLDx/cFt8GpreHR20dWrL03/OWwWaPMyaYBEEWF7+nU0y3XV6RUPBznEjx5uj zim6T33XCBC+EYEtwe07+XiUQVuF2DAw8Jp7YhnJ0ZaAGVMV2QULRo/PNHoNcpd+ak08 ntH3o4Oy8Qg4zm3RJ/qRCdpv9Wp8dH2mqj6l36ly237u1u63NaTsscOGTm/00VFhaKdi 5Jqw== Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:13:03 -0800 (PST) References: <8F0D58C4-F10D-404E-A00F-77BED8A173CA@genfiniti.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "G.D. Huggins" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience, a broken tensioner will give you a lot of noise, easily traced to inside the timing chain cover. An excessively worn chain (with a good tensioner), not so much so. Geo On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:25 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > All, > > First, thanks for all of the suggestions to date! > > In my obsessive desire to get the car to "purr" at idle, I have: > > Set the valve lash (I even measured the cam lobes for good measure) > Set the timing > Set the idle > Set the mixture > > I am getting between 20-21 vacuum at the intake manifold. > Roughly 185 compression on all four cylinders > > But I was still getting a "jumpy" idle, normally varying between 800-900 > RPM, > occasionally dropping into the 700s.. > > So, on a suggestion from Randall I went and got myself a timing light and > found the timing is jumping, to the advance side. > Hmm.. maybe the dizzy gear end float. > Checked it. Just over .007.. just exceeding the upper limit. > > But I thought, maybe its the Pertronix dizzy with a loose advance. > Pulled it out and dropped in my recently rebuilt Lucus tonight. > Set it to the same timing as the other (8' BTDC), and I still have the > jumpy > timing, again to the advance. > > So, I've got something that is causing the spark to fire too soon at idle. > But it evens out when I give it some throttle. > > At this point I am suspecting that maybe that dizzy gear is jumping around, > causing the sporadic advance. > But this space is taken up under throttle. > Or, the timing gear/chain has got some sort of slop. > > I'm considering having my dizzy pedestal shaved done .003" to take up the > float space, and/or replacing the dizzy gear. > I'd like to eliminate these before diving into the gear/chain. > > Anyone know where I can source a "new" dizzy gear? > Anything else I am not thinking of? > > > > Cheers, > > Guy D. Huggins > 1965 Triumph TR4A > CTC 63569LO > > Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 11:17:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3BD42F1B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:17:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1blp0186.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C4C42787 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from CH1PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.255.149.167) by CO1PR02MB221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.165.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.820.5; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:13:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.254.1] (50.96.16.6) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.149.167) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.383.1; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:13:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:13:46 -0500 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Geo Hahn , 'Triumph Mail List' References: <8F0D58C4-F10D-404E-A00F-77BED8A173CA@genfiniti.com> SFS:(24454002)(479174003)(377454003)(199002)(189002)(59766001)(77982001)(79102001)(19580405001)(51856001)(74366001)(59896001)(81816001)(47976001)(54316002)(56776001)(50986001)(65956001)(66066001)(65806001)(80022001)(63696002)(83072001)(46102001)(512934002)(69226001)(19580395003)(75432001)(81686001)(74662001)(33656001)(80316001)(80976001)(4396001)(83322001)(76796001)(74502001)(47446002)(87936001)(43066001)(81542001)(54356001)(81342001)(64126003)(76482001)(84326002)(71186001)(85306002)(83506001)(76786001)(47736001)(49866001)(56816003)(36756003)(74876001)(74706001)(32563001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1PR02MB221; H:CH1PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:50.96.16.6; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree, my broken tensioner I think was what caused the chain to wear a hole in the timing chain cover...... Doug On 11/21/2013 9:13 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > In my experience, a broken tensioner will give you a lot of noise, easily > traced to inside the timing chain cover. An excessively worn chain (with a > good tensioner), not so much so. -- p.s. I do not use a smart phone so if you email me and do not get a quick response it is not because I am ignoring you. Just not at a computer. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 13:10:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC2342F3D for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:10:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7112142F09 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id uo5so244956pbc.29 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:09:14 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=NNTbaKIejNr/YwEH3JnIYVxu46vuPZlo3GNbntxJ1Ac=; b=sGukx2ytUD7C00nKl+EbUinFqvsXAEYWzCr0LFu7xZQUw7FTlMkTEZ5xUihToZum23 IgzNARiLDLcR0VCAjd5ud4P/pfGNfVdBhBCRxsYPpC00A0ga1dKu0eG/oaEGyNLyl1AR /aSCLJjKPQ34q0ruT7mfm9sThLq+QepR+DiDihfvp+YnU6/2Tp1atR6c1ewsCBBb3ABb Ss/CwD7tnfr+CQ4uRhm3mkE/cStwqDbsdrrk/vYU8oEcemj3rQ1dQ/7+bT73oe2v9BoS QuYLrVHnIQvyYcc5lSU8IKZHeHScggqaQjDeBdwQzxRedqu5MI02CsgmDA8sCV5cz3q5 NUUg== xf10mr8053018pab.139.1385064554772; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from AMD5400 (122-59-245-167.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.59.245.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gf5sm47984000pbc.22.2013.11.21.12.09.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:09:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:09:10 +1300 Thread-Index: Ac7m9YpzfjZaJd5PRhy7iQXabIzwvA== Subject: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My idle always jumped around. My tensioner had broken and as a consequence my chain was sloppy. I didn't hear any nboise from that area, mind you my exhaust noise might have drowned any noise from the timing chain. I have replaced both but as my car is still in bits I can't tell you whether it fixed the problem. Jim and the Black TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 14:25:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD8D42F12 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:25:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E3942F12 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:24:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2013 21:23:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2013 21:20:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.53] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2013 21:20:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.238] by tm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2013 21:20:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2013 21:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 46284 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2013 21:20:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385068843; bh=bZ6XdfQD00OnlO+1Mdb9JTPY8nhKDWdilFEn7tku8wk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EYkPZicT49wtc/O468IPyNFXlleHP4SdWE95fGDkuZQIwbyub+RUunRvEOkNllPgRDCmPTQ4J/0egEduSVdG1ym3QnJ6sP/9270iUi1ZJvVZWmS05u+OI4Jo5wyXUXW4epo7anYWLFKHmQoOLFZB3D/VPloPdW12455wae4QUNc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O4GCpaDlQeVvOhKT4egt8d5Q/sHybk37EM5sLC4hvxA0sFUgk4pug2kh7Ymup56031qQxm3eZmmDuFuegEMiW9qD3j7h+wnFA13qUT6Xk0oWJLNMS5hKPk4rSHOdGGKnn7FcfE6WkOxNEzf4rFySEYxqvmWHwYOZSEm58pY5wSc=; 4P0dGF30iouBlf0kRFhrzcI.9uoriKQoXX52unrZUSG8_eD9c77PEK8.7thT tLmWEheS00reYdIIyKJ0dQEjjdz7s6SzDXCnREQEaGag3LY.6xoi8h1JGz6v vl3qpbnHO3hrYWwCGmx3EVsjBXT.tWFlaKMbKVzojHirzvwgXtXWRqyK8lG1 MtowXCz0V9ihCifFhcQBSn8WxUxKa9vYaEPYTk3YzoFOLrHTlq.F6dzkc0lq zz0wieOn1PaaX47REtzFnBm.YPt4IpDZMSWDciEhI.FRBPnFAp22i5e2BeRj 0eKVFf1VhifKgLJ7ckeAT49iKhJyR4MN.xVUbih8WxYoaPs89PB2qS1oo.9u BSYH.lUfqJcvvpPbZvbYr_vE9G4IebkgmGyjhhcp2TTyvL4LIi0gGz45k3A. tfUytUk2kMUVvDvU89bJSYS6BhDWmPxJOssyAyUMkhfT0TvQfsMGkcSZGp9K yJeOIHWJm78LUJzRndJUkwOablfdaAgEJKw-- Received: from [2.124.180.211] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:20:43 GMT QSB3cnkgc21pbGUgY3Jvc3NlZCBteSBmYWNlIHdoZW4gSSByZWFkIG9mIEd1eSBIdWdnaW5zJyBpc3N1ZXMgaW4gc2Vla2luZyB0byBoYXZlIGEgNCBwb3QgU3RhbmRhcmQtVHJpdW1waCBlbmdpbmUgInB1cnIiIGF0IGlkbGUuIFdlIGFsbCBrbm93IHdoYXQgR3V5J3Mgc2Vla2luZyB0byBhY2hpZXZlIHRob3VnaCAod2l0aCByZXNwZWN0IHRvIGhpbSkgZ2V0dGluZyBoaXMgVFIgdG8gInB1cnIiIGlzIHBlcmhhcHMgdGhlIHdyb25nIGFkamVjdGl2ZT8KTWF5IEkgcmVjb3VudCBvbmUgb2YgbXkgbGl0dGxlIHMBMAEBAQE- References: <8F0D58C4-F10D-404E-A00F-77BED8A173CA@genfiniti.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:20:43 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: "G.D. Huggins" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A wry smile crossed my face when I read of Guy Huggins' issues in seeking to have a 4 pot Standard-Triumph engine "purr" at idle. We all know what Guy's seeking to achieve though (with respect to him) getting his TR to "purr" is perhaps the wrong adjective? May I recount one of my little stories, Gents? When I was about 7 or 8 years of age, I sometimes spent Saturday mornings with Dad in the factory at Canley. Saturday mornings were working days, although the tracks weren't running. I was always on my best behaviour (I hope?) because we always encountered senior members of the Company's management team and perhaps this wasn't surprising because Dad was part of that same team. On one day, we ran into Ted Grinham (the wet-liner four's designer) and he and Dad talked to one another as though I wasn't there. Well, why shouldn't they? On such visits I always carried a little red notebook and jotted things in it that I'd seen and wanted to ask Dad about when we got home. What I jotted in the book was Grinham's observation about his own engine in which he said, "it's as rough as a bear's ***e - but it's certainly durable!" I'm not sure if I ever did ask Dad what an ***e was - whether it was unique to a bear or not but as teenage years approached, I speculated whether anyone had ever made an official ruling on the natural condition of a bear's ***e and whether that examination had been made when the bear was alive or dead. A year or two later, I came to realise that bears are indeed quite dangerous creatures and under any circumstances might not take too kindly in someone touching them in that area to form an opinion on smoothness - or not. So it would be churlish to deny Guy what he *seeks* to achieve but I doubt whether anyone from Ted Grinham downwards could ever agree the wet liner 4 can ever purr. It's a lumpy, rough old blighter and smoothness was never its second name - but don't we all love it? Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 14:58:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F4742F4B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:58:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450E0403F0 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 950B970000093 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7743EE000081 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:49:05 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385070546; bh=qmjgCN4S/9euproLUthiX8Hw3hLEdLR7zwFvBv8ys40=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fwH9d4zF5zqRqwWdWloljcPJncSEZgohA1H3/8d/9SQsfPtUqzFCZA+bw1aawk+n9 BdXJ9sov5/Ymo3qjxrkPKIIsWFCp3JZ63AxkR7JbicVvIe0SDKndG1ojyIXHJzNPv1 zyQzQtTmQemwqTHJ5vEgZ5QupkbS23fK7Jf4pv+4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c528e7fd152e6 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Why does the phrase "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" come to mind? You be we all love it. An essential part of the charm. Dave In a message dated 11/21/2013 3:23:36 PM Central Standard Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: > It's a > lumpy, rough old blighter and smoothness was never its second name - but > don't > we all love it? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 16:11:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD1843106 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:11:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFC542F16 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:40:40 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=7xjUflPn_FQA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=n8UBRS6e0u4A:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=2nqv-o2JDPlA5iIciv0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:54433] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BD/9D-07922-E9B8E825; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:39:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:39:56 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I dont totally agree. Both my 3 and 4 idle pretty smooth. The 3 has 87 mm pistons but the rest is stock. The 4 is stock but with HS6 carbs and the later TR4A intake manifold. Once they warm up the idle is at about 800rpm and very steady. But saying that, the 6 does idle at about the same rpm but does feel "smoother". That is due to 6 cyls vs. 4 I am sure. Maybe it time to get the distributor rebuilt? Bob On 11/21/2013 04:49 PM, Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > Why does the phrase "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" come > to mind? > > You be we all love it. An essential part of the charm. > > Dave > > In a message dated 11/21/2013 3:23:36 PM Central Standard Time, > flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: >> It's a >> lumpy, rough old blighter and smoothness was never its second name - but >> don't >> we all love it? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 17:22:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8EA42F6C for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:22:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C3442F04 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:19:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131122001813.RYXA24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:18:13 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id sQJC1m00Z33eLpB05QJDd5; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:18:13 -0500 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=n8UBRS6e0u4A:10 a=K46Ain_ZGGq3hJtBA9UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0mF5awg2CXsA:10 a=mm-prSe_H2wA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:18:15 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8F0D58C4-F10D-404E-A00F-77BED8A173CA@genfiniti.com> <1385068843.45210.YahooMailNeo@web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/21/2013 4:20 PM, John Macartney wrote: > May I recount one of my little stories, Gents? We are always sitting comfortably...please begin whenever you feel like it... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 21:57:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E586D4308A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:57:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE5042F13 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:51:47 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:17435] helo=cdptpa-web09) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id BB/2B-16054-892EE825; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:50:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 4:50:32 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Bob Labuz Sensitivity: Normal 2013 4:50:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was going to say the same thing as Bob, my old 4A had a very smooth and sweet running engine after I rebuilt the motor and carbs, I used 87mm pistons too, maybe that is the secret. Smooth runner, pulled like a train from 2-4000 rpm in 2nd, kind of a big faithful dog of an engine, it never seemed overly sensitive to timing and mixture adjustments and always treated me well even if I didn't always treat it well. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 (red, current) 66 TR4A (BRG, gone still missed) ---- Bob Labuz wrote: I dont totally agree. Both my 3 and 4 idle pretty smooth. The 3 has 87 mm pistons but the rest is stock. The 4 is stock but with HS6 carbs and the later TR4A intake manifold. Once they warm up the idle is at about 800 rpm and very steady." ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 12:45:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E386542FE7 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:45:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F108D42F47 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CC61470047C8C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mba001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mba001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.30.141]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9F088E000081 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: joecainpe@aol.com Received: from 63.124.6.12 by webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:43:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385149428; bh=otT1wgxcpsoYqlJ7Rn333PoyYFQzRQlQJ1ujtWBg49U=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FGpoel3Nd+5OrW6YMgNThHZZzFlWVJ3awe2wrATLXaTquGNhPZsnXxg1WHBULxUq4 ISuFqRKY0Vf2i1EAkQcqxPfaSbqtEHlWNfzP10Gm4pqZdy5HksPVq9CuwDMpU6IGds w3zG3NwqL/z/YBkh0i4kT9VGwwhr5BlWWXnGPfKg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a528fb3f43d4b Subject: [TR] Paint color code for Argent Silver wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For Triumph wheels (this time, Vitesse / Sports 6), does anyone have a good paint color code for Argent Silver? Thanks, Joe Cain ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 13:15:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A65542F59 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:15:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0819742F4B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E66997017A1BA for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dbc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dbc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.48.199]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B4E05E000088 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:13:49 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 99.104.227.159 by webmail-m235.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.173) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:13:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:13:49 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385151229; bh=A7FnNlwNjRvt9toDzOrK2hQyRih7jMmAYneHTKymdMA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bWWmpSz3xfW5VIr3m1g/9WZr/NVzVc6OPn758g3YFAX5MSy/cGrqAP22Yl1+WhLOG tNAubeL8QtdkMv+D3Ud/Z5AXb3TQqiRcRiUVUOAwrzt8Oe0RW6qr56m/A0nYDiptUN Rg9oIS15VOexHX1p7Jwum6cnYTj346jdqdCFTEfc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949528fbafd7e1b Subject: Re: [TR] steady Tr4 idle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guy, (Just thinking out loud here).. Since you recently rebuilt your motor it seems unlikely timing chain and tensioner already worn.. I have a newer low mileage dizzy 'drive gear', and noticed it is copper plated. My old original gear shows copper well worn through into the steel teeth. ..your gear may be worn beyond limit, length-wise.. but also tooth-wise.. allowing a bit of chatter with the cam gear, and affecting your idle.. Rather than searching for the rare gear.. wonder if having your part heavily re-copper plated would resolve both 'worn beyond limit' areas.. Good luck, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 But I was still getting a "jumpy" idle, normally varying between 800-900 RPM, occasionally dropping into the 700s.. So, on a suggestion from Randall I went and got myself a timing light and found the timing is jumping, to the advance side. Hmm.. maybe the dizzy gear end float. Checked it. Just over .007.. just exceeding the upper limit. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 15:16:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DB843071 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:16:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8954C40042 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWO0036BR4V2X10@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:14:56 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: , References: <8D0B5D24C1F386D-A78-581B2@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:15:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Paint color code for Argent Silver wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...don't know about a true 'paint code' but I've been stunned and extremely happy with the color match of the VHT rattle can 250 degree wheel paint SP188 Ford Argent Silver. I've tried a zillion silvers on all kinds of parts... but this particular brand/shade of 'Argent Silver' (test sprayed and have used on) on Spitfire/GT6 and TR7 wheels looks almost identical when dried (obviously cleaner and shinier) Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: [TR] Paint color code for Argent Silver wheels > For Triumph wheels (this time, Vitesse / Sports 6), does anyone have a > good > paint color code for Argent Silver? > > Thanks, Joe Cain > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 14:09:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157BE42F85 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:09:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C092140432 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:07:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id twNv1m0031ZMdJ4A7x5pCY; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:05:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tx5o1m0054L5TyG8cx5oiP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:05:49 +0000 From: Bud R To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:05:47 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1385413549; bh=qRjcjU0Yhssq38OyLV6OdBcynUX/2d5aYx5s4UD+60Q=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=F+lXmO1vW7nQRKKRV0lyQCq+cqsvu/qs5gyJK0FaO1rl8ppp6+nUXW4un/70bT+AK AwuxacRFjtfKJqlBqyvoXjUQgMjSHyavij4A5XI4ioh3oRMzqg3JMcPa7a1KOmym4J gCm4gnCKLErziTevQjTKo8DQQ9rShMHVq4ysHOvdYOv6eaN+aEGZUC3C3umywXyxkr CkBgDXOafwJxd4N8xn2zzr/KyDLnp1TTwxmHNKt+d5QQTDFGpBp4ijr+Eb5b+wgKlt J3s4+aGE3Az0RPa4GOlgON9o8skkFmvPYyNAhS8k2CtWgIWTgZpSIL9F0kRaQH1BIP SboCV3aSZSnyw== Subject: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Has anyone used a tow bar to tow a Spitfire? I'm thinking of buying a Spitfire to tow behind the RV and was wondering if it's possible (and safe) to attach a tow bar to the front outriggers that the bonnet/ bumper attaches to. Or if there's a better method I'd like to hear about that too. Not interested in a car dolly or trailer (got one) towing just flat towing. If you know of a specific type of tow bar that works that would be great. I could fabricate some brackets to fit the outriggers as an adapter to the tow bar brackets if needed but I thought I'd query the list to get some ideas. Somewhat related story: Hardy Prentice was at 2013VTR in October and was telling me how he flat towed his TR3 race car (which was on display in the hotel lobby) behind an E type Jag to all his races. He said with the TR3 loaded with spares, race tires, and all his tools the car weighed more than the E type which made for some interesting driving experiences. But certainly Hardy could handle it if anyone could. I'm not going to try that but I would like to flat tow a nice light Spitfire (1600 lbs or so) behind my RV. I even have SWMBO's buy in as she thinks we need a car to drive around when we go camping in the RV. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 14:21:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FA642F8D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:21:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9DE42F56 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:21:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131125212006.XDUF9830.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:20:06 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.99.81.230]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id txL51m00J4y9KJU01xL5bF; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:20:05 -0500 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=-xYCQeSw9vEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=cN8YKrdrE1aDFTvKJA0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Bud R'" , References: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:20:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7qInOgoyvqup3sTIm4nj0e8vDw5wAAUbNw Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The recommended method is to Trailer it. This is because the transmission gets oiled by the input shaft slinging oil onto the gears. If the driveshaft is in place the rear wheels will be turning the gears without lubrication. So if you have no other option, you must remove the driveshaft prior to towing or using a dolly where the rear wheels are on the ground. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud R Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 2:06 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Towing a Spitfire List, Has anyone used a tow bar to tow a Spitfire? I'm thinking of buying a Spitfire to tow behind the RV and was wondering if it's possible (and safe) to attach a tow bar to the front outriggers that the bonnet/ bumper attaches to. Or if there's a better method I'd like to hear about that too. Not interested in a car dolly or trailer (got one) towing just flat towing. If you know of a specific type of tow bar that works that would be great. I could fabricate some brackets to fit the outriggers as an adapter to the tow bar brackets if needed but I thought I'd query the list to get some ideas. Somewhat related story: Hardy Prentice was at 2013VTR in October and was telling me how he flat towed his TR3 race car (which was on display in the hotel lobby) behind an E type Jag to all his races. He said with the TR3 loaded with spares, race tires, and all his tools the car weighed more than the E type which made for some interesting driving experiences. But certainly Hardy could handle it if anyone could. I'm not going to try that but I would like to flat tow a nice light Spitfire (1600 lbs or so) behind my RV. I even have SWMBO's buy in as she thinks we need a car to drive around when we go camping in the RV. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 16:51:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAE540521 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:51:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD53040437 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:51:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 10so3469483vbe.9 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:50:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Yt2+3j2K4tlk1lgAcIbM8goxLjuPxlMtzox/I34rj0M=; b=a/sxEKUOo2ZXw/EA9LriLW6R9jQ0RiHy5E8muk4lRBygrbZPC7p+PijOMFUqaf+5aD wk6r1HwMdtRMR8oaLasEJXJhhlfJL0Xl+BLYqUvm8dJ13YuAKSzbcdMjykxTJyAd2Pw6 UIcZ890rEO8K9xYDRmpTgfE/Uqf5elkhEGUfXM3epLdBFZtnAICpOOWutzM1+Fhpgoz+ PCkB26a7i+uaxOcnxT1rZVtBnzFFmUs1x6Wps/LkwP4aDb3+DwDHZ5LARrXRjuIfOttw JDSma/o7LYSO8O6ksZ628S1yQ8tBoyP4P/si8YPc/NRFHCY2ZY5xKg6ntLUDJJbZusyW 9qOQ== xc15mr12333vdc.52.1385423405213; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:50:05 -0800 (PST) References: <9869AA2D-6C2F-46BF-9729-55E6C5696531@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:50:05 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bud R Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Bud R wrote: > Hardy Prentice was at 2013VTR in October and was telling me how he > flat towed his TR3 race car (which was on display in the hotel lobby) > behind an E type Jag to all his races... As I recall, Hardy's screen name on another forum is the very descriptive "CatPusher'. There are units used to easily disconnect the driveshaft for towing on all fours. No idea if they work on a Spit and I have no personal experience with them, but Remco is the name I have most often heard. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 18:21:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C68440450 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:21:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7A3403FC for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131126011908.WJZB10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:19:08 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.90.219.141]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id u1K71m00T33eLpB051K8dJ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:19:08 -0500 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=-xYCQeSw9vEA:10 a=HIe3N8_mAAAA:8 a=TwMrZd-eK8Oms1aZgbYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6u3I5JZzQIMPIMpZ5D+5wg==:117 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:19:08 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <9869AA2D-6C2F-46BF-9729-55E6C5696531@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/25/2013 6:50 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > There are units used to easily disconnect the driveshaft for towing on all > fours. No idea if they work on a Spit and I have no personal experience > with them, but Remco is the name I have most > often heard. I once helped install one of those on my uncle's car 9not a Spitfire). It worked more or less as advertised...it was a long time ago, and so I can't recall how well it worked, but he principle is sound, as long as it stays in the position in which you place it... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 20:41:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540E54054C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:41:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724F9403E6 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id u3Ja1m0051vN32c013fEqm; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:39:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id u3fC1m00P4L5TyG8i3fD4B; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:39:13 +0000 From: Bud R To: Joe Curry Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:39:12 -0700 References: s=q20121106; t=1385437154; bh=/A22PMJ5maYvIB/4n5yvbVH6b6lFa9+sQOrrOqTFMEk=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=KyncuL4iMnHyEqfEMou/vszBM0+7unxfagBhNA+ErBnpvW7r4VZYbPY6zb1q90IsV WS/+YbcahnW18X5JCQ1mIoHA9Zmz1nRozBg6vTNkLv/Tz4qtY+zCoQEuRv3ykiCCZx LTRKqu7cixNs7lwuw6SyDmDdInaKPYWz629PptxiQoKgOv0r2UTQwoiq1OYwc/I4VN vFDU0HJE3dKqoJVl82yGx3lMA4vCIhQN9mGHTIGK6eHiryGYOmEdS44hRKOTRwz2mD iqEo6hff5repqIE6p53IQVvVl6GwJ4cnUPvmek3g1B39QyCU6YDIcaTz0purd4FXBz 2miwVdChvAXFA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all for the help. Good point about the gearbox needing lubrication. How about if I put it in 4th gear and lock the clutch in the disengaged position (as it would be if the clutch pedal were pushed in)? Will the input shaft spin and the oil deflector throw oil on the gears from the wheels/diff/driveshaft/mainshaft/input shaft spinning? Looks like the clutch master cylinder shaft could be made to be locked in place at the MC bracket with the clutch in the disengaged position (clutch pedal were pushed in). The Remco driveshaft disconnect coupling looks like a good solution, but a rather expensive one. I can jury rig a MC "lock" quite a bit cheaper. Is a 69 Spitfire front bumper substantial enough to use for tow bar brackets? Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The recommended method is to Trailer it. This is because the > transmission > gets oiled by the input shaft slinging oil onto the gears. If the > driveshaft is in place the rear wheels will be turning the gears > without > lubrication. > > So if you have no other option, you must remove the driveshaft prior > to > towing or using a dolly where the rear wheels are on the ground. > > > Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 13:55:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961FF42EEA for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:55:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1244D4038B for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:55:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 69-165-185-19.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.185.19] helo=[172.20.11.161]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VlPdh-0004cT-U8; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:53:46 -0500 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:53:44 -0500 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Nov 25, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Bud R wrote: > > > Is a 69 Spitfire front bumper substantial enough to use for tow bar > brackets? I would think the bumper bar itself is too flimsy. I would try the brackets to the frame. I did this with one of our TR4s by welding two pieces of flat stock to the sides of the frame. There was a hole drilled in the forward part of each piece of flat stock. I then had a typical towing bar made with flanges exactly matching the spacing of the flat stock on the frame. These flanges had similar sized holes drilled in them. I then had a piece of rod-same diameter as the holes-bent into an L so that the rod could be inserted between the flange and the flat stock on one side, through the flat stock and flange on the other side, and then held in place with a pin through a small hole drilled across the diameter of the rod. Made many trips that way. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 15:27:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E5A429A2 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:27:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE7B4287E for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:27:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from RonLHeraultPC ([unknown] [74.104.178.64]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWW003076B9ZBA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:25:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Ron L'Herault" To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:25:54 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac7q2cCT0isaU2S6QVqpWyfZNO2O4wAGy9Sg Subject: [TR] REMCO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I remember REMCO. I still have one of their science kits. 8-) http://tinyurl.com/k9bu6mz will take you to a page full of pictures of the toys. Ron L -----Original Message----- Remco is the name I have most often heard. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 20:11:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75E84041C for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:11:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C914A403A6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:07:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm26.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:05:37 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.70] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:05:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp232.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:05:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385521537; bh=6HABuMvq5ETl9nkF5kU4rKb7cuf7cHtXnLj0NY4U36U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=vlsX+/K+5gl/RzSL0WKNCrFNkHJsd1dtg1t1+O49gBxIklQp2lXKk6eRsaimVh/ERVx3YzWmXdjkKeXFFBhXoGFaePU5DVmGs8G3ijmj653/CUMDSfp0S1h43hCQAuNJsDGqwUxRIbHwwmcnqsEBtSsGMKE1E5DlsauZIbbn+SQ= ANNA1QQmcGdX51olyfr5OTUgL_glJ7zc8nmaWZYygMuTl_HmXqvwqevWQWu9 TFbz4ChqXnOuzQirRf9.iTBk2zDrRdJ2PUi8f4e3gTy3fJjeSqzAG1Kz6UPX hD1qHLXwCOpukyuHReCvIThPZsVltjwNvI6if2Xv4PEWKp4yjzZr5r3AvD2M oqGT2.7HNR78UtjJY3WBQxPvHv4TQxNhxv_5lEaYZ8vPc8XR7RvMb7kj8XyC I9JnTxZEc7QfIourMNItnoUFyfo0rV5b2k_nxvTHwdQxD2NL3sQ5JaaEoGMH qBlUt_dVVQLYmtRD.Aq051DS2QsKD1aZMWye2KrcWKb1aZ8hgDfF1YkzJmQD 00iptXh3xs7.NvRTfOtDYQgZpmJeosynAkejk8coIrIwsQBnrLzVg3JpxbdQ x4gboB8Zza0XpdLhaeC.bGs5q969pTyxpjHZ5n27tlMv.7c51p9AnbBqax_n esZVsrfNESP7ZVfA9pyaklWuBTkiGQsM0uJeWf7DRcgY5VgasMKF9ZpBizGm Q3IzpWouTd7mm1POvT.Xo by smtp232.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2013 03:05:37 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:05:38 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, My apologies for the premature sending of the incomplete email. Am rebuilding sub assemblies for my TR4A front suspension. The new rubber bushings for the upper wishbones need to be compressed 1/2 in. after the two bushes are in place in the wishbone and installed on the upper fulcrum. When the slotted nut is tightened enough to clear the hole for the split pin, the exposed rubber bushings are "bulging" from the amount of compression needed to get the nut in place. My issue is that although the bushings are installed, it just doesn't look right with the bulging rubber. Any comments or personal experience will be appreciated. Thanks. John DeLuca Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 20:59:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF66D40400 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:59:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6FF403F9 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:61295] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id FE/EF-29861-1BD65925; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 03:57:37 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , References: <27BCCC5A-C67C-47D9-A47F-6FA3FA137F2D@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:57:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I put new upper rubber bushing in my TR4A few years ago, they didn't last long, maybe I didn't get them on right (couldn't ask questions on email lists back then) anyway, I replaced them with poly bushings, which are pretty reasonable for a set, I thought the steering and general handling felt more precise with no deterioration of ride quality, and keep them lubed properly (silicone grease) and they should last a long time. I know there are differing opinions on poly bushings, but I think for this particular application they work well, have them on my TR250 too. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 06:07:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB3442F0E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:07:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7051240453 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:06:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4BEF17017B6B5 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1924AE000082 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:04:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:04:59 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385557499; bh=I7obBPVsFP/4ovHQQJSS12VnKg1WA/T6q0N87dqjdHk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X4VKO1bORt4kMnZ/hRrlf7LqSMQ1s/r/IZqV9dxaIRLB0Kqgy+nZyRgGtneSGIS6B 8SVne8AjchqsR+AsHsntvLtdeB2jbZaV5HhEk+m/DRx1U35eYI+tYNY9kdy05WX0Yc In8+zcZjhc0WOYb1Usj2Jk2YtAwXgM7L7k/uQ9cA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c85295edfb1a55 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ditto on Greg's comments about poly. I've never done a satisfactory job installing rubber bushings but it has been said that you must have the suspension at normal ride height when you tighten the nuts since the rubber doesn't rotate, it deflects and you want it to deflect equally to either side of the mid point. If you tighten the nuts at full extension (as I did) then they will be overstreched at full compression. Dave In a message dated 11/26/2013 9:09:42 PM Central Standard Time, john-marie@sbcglobal.net writes: > Am rebuilding sub assemblies for my TR4A front suspension. The new > rubber > bushings for the upper wishbones need to be compressed 1/2 in. after the > two > bushes are in place in the wishbone and installed on the upper fulcrum. > When > the slotted nut is tightened enough to clear the hole for the split pin, > the > exposed rubber bushings are "bulging" from the amount of compression > needed to > get the nut in place. My issue is that although the bushings are > installed, > it just doesn't look right with the bulging rubber. Any comments or > personal > experience will be appreciated. Thanks. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 06:48:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BB042F0D for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:48:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A27240526 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:47:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 02:35:26 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.204] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 02:35:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 02:35:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385519726; bh=Yxeo2HxSsJY0Nv/wS6+gk6Ksbp7ED7jEWJ0vXMEtpm8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=laDgBZTFnyOGzzHpY79jA/O+GOOl1zkD1jiVPsfalveWBGEAIoXuV2LATo9Nc3oD6xVQiksU1XhKuqMNQfAras5WkfoIshBl1skYDKqrQn3Pb0jaI8ocCp9HqaPR8GPp+A2HSK0V0gSSnRNkLhpQFwMqhJQut8EMWXYoQjApThA= X9NGQsqqHGmfWLOL9vztZIh.10SzVe_KsxxsSVtXHhMXy_1V7UAWW62er6ld v1wj5LN8pRy7XCJznwEEWGusHeGkwMp0vWC_iPaklwMGjBpr4GHQ4gYMl022 XR6G.dgOSmFbJkOIPTV4QQjYtT1OrLJeYJMQRu0akhHlI6Nfv.aeidUX7Ixu OVrfyJSMMu.QsBQjQI2FhC.Otx4h6L_S8GQrpMJubBWnrGVEyJbTWjTffqKP hdS0jBIuZ7X9Ys0OfWVZ0kKw1_saKtwA8cbWehwRKq5HsNXV.8dcXpoNnAXP NMhIIWBUqsD0fewPF3mjAE_UTwe01aI0QkT3mImPM3X1bqPvymGL2D1Q4Mir yOO3IThVVQjeQqzA9Tm9vGxI8VYKacmUmvt05TnXL9OePqWP3_z1teaIsuXB dawHXa.HuS31kSy5MHNmlc6c5CuRgwDmZO6qD5DGjB.S6Q24ZPNSiK49vv4o ZWVtIHFHKLCv1dvcsJqvGj5TJdrF6I.wH1EjM4Ot4uswG3GyxE5gZclsuRN4 8SXCVueefjZ1YfQ-- by smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2013 18:35:26 -0800 PST From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:35:27 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, Am rebuilding sub assemblies for my TR4A front suspension. The new rubber bushings for the upper wishbones ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 08:55:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B571942F14 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:55:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72FB04287E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.82.98.59] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.113] by tm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 15:52:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 39258 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 15:52:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385567577; bh=kofghovdfWBLnBz/RzVvUSHTLWXm4M36gCyhVq5wGAU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ply2rxfCAjaslh+nVR+Mzr+nPVLhtYVtTPDPqEzdcKHtfmJeVDHDgbqn6GAlLl7spHmhRf9WIb6ICiRMAiFX9ASeEhA7j4AnB2rYsRt0dGt/sbESXJvTW3t5dgPAYS+5QNqrwcOp/6ah1e4bGvjFPgunPTWowkmF8D/FkMArQvg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qA6Gcijv0OAGrqXGj4avyeeVE7VbP4RUauNEoDm4puDtFNLEX6kSgvoe9NvqzeOCDYV9/Xi5HBVWOJ+R/r0Cng03gYLZ3dpmQzXicjinGrimiDddGUOBKFe9sHew/Fmf9WAhAjb7u8RjT2r/nLfdWW95LRQUFjUB8lEZBf18+eo=; zoyZDeuyIpy05HjJVw5VFMr20IrHPN4GrIVZ0EjL79E6FoTDRcKzQYcNlEUv 4QAd5MZntv5Uxg_N5nrQIBWXPSsjBLtVJ.uXyZM3NLKK5V3muEbeuQye0MCv u9MtPIbBhT6VffajQghkElfN.Ain8Gi1EvQa5MtRMFptsqfdmva2xows9V8M YqiGDDKH2SMA6ijKMUN83wNg_Ry8HQB.6n1dBfDC7UWSZbn6gpR4RQk._JAt WJkUlgIUf5sA1rr1PH4QqsgBVNqKSt_S4iTr1od0Jb1oIYCWVbcI9EsZglWL cfK43Tc9CNVwvhNnA7M6NJfOAvW1y3LIE802wH0CzWcnz2aGjyiAnWkqPgSw o0_SjKeqjg2dTaHpgkk2GsIlmpZsBNGpGMyOOynJrFkN86.050HoztzL4cYe 0cEJg1gZ2dpVeGo_fRDadrOYt5gbdl8eeasY4Hywppa3oJJOFJ5XNoyYNn_e 9mrVV4q8jMxHk8Y0vMzuzqra6TwqzWgVGn37XKNhJVJP5VKxizdkNbnivB3y f3eq1gt0yMhmnEBtams3h8s6ccg_UO3Y8RO2uHhzJ3TcXZQUI0M7xAtw- Received: from [94.1.220.245] by web171904.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:52:57 GMT Tm8sIHRoZSBmcm9udCBidW1wZXIgd2lsbCBkZWZvcm0gaWYgeW91IHVzZSBpdCBhcyBhIHRvd2luZyBwb2ludC4KwqAKVGhhdCBzYWlkIC0gYW5kIGZyb20gbWVtb3J5LMKgeW91ciBjYXIgKnNob3VsZCogaGF2ZSBhIGxhc2hpbmcgZXllIGJvbHRlZCB0byB0aGUgcmlnaHQgZnJvbnQgY2hhc3NpcyBleHRlbnNpb24gd2l0aCBhbm90aGVyIHNpbWlsYXIgb25lIGF0IHRoZSByZWFyLiBUaGVzZSB3ZXJlIHB1dCB0aGVyZSBhdCB0aGUgZmFjdG9yeSB0byBjaGFpbiB0aGUgY2FyIGRvd24gd2hlbiBiZWluZyB0cmEBMAEBAQE- References: <948DA1E9-FDE4-44C3-B600-D413E224F74F@execulink.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:52:57 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Keith Stewart , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No, the front bumper will deform if you use it as a towing point. That said - and from memory, your car *should* have a lashing eye bolted to the right front chassis extension with another similar one at the rear. These were put there at the factory to chain the car down when being transported on a truck from factory to dealer or docks. Both are more than strong enough to attach a tow rope. Jonmac On Tuesday, 26 November 2013, 20:56, Keith Stewart wrote: On Nov 25, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Bud R wrote: >> >> >> Is a 69 Spitfire front bumper substantial enough to use for tow bar >> brackets? > >I would think the bumper bar itself is too flimsy. I would try the brackets to >the frame. I did this with one of our TR4s by welding two pieces of flat stock >to the sides of the frame. There was a hole drilled in the forward part of >each piece of flat stock. I then had a typical towing bar made with flanges >exactly matching the spacing of the flat stock on the frame. These flanges had >similar sized holes drilled in them. I then had a piece of rod-same diameter >as the holes-bent into an L so that the rod could be inserted between the >flange and the flat stock on one side, through the flat stock and flange on >the other side, and then held in place with a pin through a small hole drilled >across the diameter of the rod. Made many trips that way. > > >Keith Stewart >keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 10:49:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BFD42F28 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:49:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565E742F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:49:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ufap1m0031ZMdJ4A2hngwr; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:47:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uhnf1m0054L5TyG8chnfev; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:47:40 +0000 From: Bud R To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:47:38 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1385574460; bh=CJd2qobSGW34ORuGGtfB25jM0UWavS56zNkQ9gv/Ehw=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=hnfYNvcVuN5lS3SM9XLsartscbqeCAPhO4v0L6g91PgYGvthGPmQ6oJJad/ZcPKGK e1gx9sWeqOVZKx336H7N+ojK4QMeMdrMOKBTqEygVzUvp/t5LoRxC5nf/La06q2Dc9 HhwLg9xXYWGOtH4WqPKy/Au6ac/DkG3B/2YbVI7mO+g3v/0WCQmajbSr2joVmKyaCK /KSXXKo28OPqwl9Z2xT21FS9wyuJGNjeCps+1RWCsj4Oh73h0vkWHCHOLMHVeN8rbI imLzAJvpEv8QW+GeifmS1Z2jPpJ/qq1KoiOmVzQLR2Z5R57uRskDe22aN1EjMv4D0t Ihm2uQ8PSL7Cg== Subject: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all for providing input on the subject of towing a Spitfire. Here's some take away points. 1) Attaching a tow bar The bumper is too flimsy to attach to. And I did find in the Haynes manual where they say to NOT attach a tow rope to the bumper. I will need to fabricate some brackets to attach to the frame extensions and then attach the tow bar brackets to those. 2) Transmission considerations This was somewhat of a mixed bag. The majority said the transmission would suffer if oil wasn't being flung onto the gears. I got no reports of anyone having an actual problem with a transmission not being lubricated when flat towing. But maybe I just haven't heard from those folks. I had some folks say they'd flat towed British cars many miles without an issue. In some cases they'd flat towed all over the country. Some said that since the gears weren't under load that the lubrication from the oil sloshing around in the case was enough. Some recommended a Remco driveshaft disconnect coupling (there are very few others out there). The cost of one including modifying the driveshaft would be much more than a replacement Spit tranny. Many said just trailer it or use a car dolly with the car backwards and the steering wheel strapped down. But I'm lazy and looking for the quick easy way of just reducing the process to hooking/unhooking the two bolts on the tow bar at the car. My idea of locking the clutch in the disengaged position with the gearbox in 4th gear was met with distain and suspicion. Too many things (clutch MC or slave) could fail and cause problems. I'm not going to be doing cross country trips towing a Spitfire just from Denver to the mountains and back, maybe 150 miles total. I have a trailer for the race car of course but I just don't want to deal with the weight, length, loading, unloading, for such short trips and in camp grounds when we do side trips. Thanks again for all the input and suggestions. I'm still contemplating what I'll do but now know options and consequences. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 11:12:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9642F28 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:12:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2936842F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ugFc1m0090b6N64A9i7ud2; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:07:54 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ui7t1m01m2xZMJ48Pi7t1t; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:07:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:07:53 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Bud R s=q20121106; t=1385575674; bh=bKdfosYwznZpUA36HyRD9bTDfadG/4R6BdYAd5rcjRg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=LiCgQOJ5+SVzCPXLF6sKZnvllCp0TB+gVLKSpBcQC4RpIl+xpifD76AGu9GmA1i1Z 2qVtArZs488Tl0Vw88IcUMOmKE47/uVbTAubpA2PUEbbzFOL5BiVawrzYhIBBNFfa9 OzSIT0x9MkVjpd/Z+G391BjVRvXbUI8YF+UNApzPFvQ0YWxqOCBa825rjE9llO2i02 pkwc048v9P8qhaZJoxBtQ7nuTFHguvAwK79w2A/bRUj0VWGA0p8UZx05EyclZHXv4g kFP7cYLSqSS+i7/Gp5pEp5X24+eYu5ZbkwmUu9fpG7NhMJK78ub9FMt7wMh0kqqx6a mvUeWBhp+fZIg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I got no reports of anyone having an actual problem with a > transmission not being lubricated when flat towing. Not a Triumph, but I burned up an output bearing in a Ford Cortina on a cross-metro tow. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 13:37:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5202A42F37 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:37:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 412FE42F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:37:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.181] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 20:35:55 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 20:35:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 20:35:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385584555; bh=ufqMIvaqt/sCOKoDx3EJ10yGaxU/ciBBd3bj0Sfif9E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=DrqCpRB8TwZjyIsm3ttjipcLIs09/jYLQH1WDK2fcwJXpU4OVQNNGZW5OZmkEyqKo/M8KSRU8znFiMR11g4OuTKlwnMsCQ8KniWTP2TYBZPUwrCvNTHKEjAifDuIIT8mSRkGMqO7xvHbIujR4+pRzzTKjczDP3vuoBORvvPmC5U= JVgvrAXjnLpht0C7aXIIcJ24QKREq_fCMyF8XJNFu2Ad297Ht5jXXRciJYR9 87283mWd0IOfYZnmHGPvMH111cpo1uRqcIKY4BTZyBQ3tdbKOI7c8ptLuXrD paniHNvKDQvdGGuKAUfwwF_X5YGI0I1ROMNspF5qHZs6ehABjNurNqGdtAhB fOBjhpbhZ9iZAGJb8s5fVliP8IQPdf92Oj_UFnduJsteo9TXrSX72Sa1sX3U 9eV84H7Xu4mUTahe9loTRp9Q2QEhgWbHByHiC.futs5nNwj3FdWOmvozKiFl DLaWCfxNj27zovBKEJ04M6dOOjr73tujDKVKWnFbAAz8cJOSESdGXpkz5CR5 c9XfKs0GtUZ0vzxgVq2hqV5HpYMSvCJtsX4UX5Fo2HrfaTfkHaVQTNjWYUBV oXwd1L4lr9IyI1Qfx3KHAHKw4.KTQbjVzQTrXMj5Hg1Vvd2KjbJBd4tPo6GK hQsFgdSUS9wDIQ5Tob8SXczTpusOuF6RbgyK8FtBlErU4BlGz_kPjWAb12im ZUwcuNErGfAEairl20S5u by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2013 20:35:55 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:35:54 -0600 To: "levilevi@comcast.net" , triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another input. About 35 years ago, with driveshaft removed and using a tow bar similar to what Keith described, I towed a TR3 from Nevada to Ohio to Florida to Phoenix to Virginia. (I was in the Air Force.) No problem with the transmission, but had to rebuild the front suspension. Good luck. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 13:48:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE58D42F21 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:48:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 18AB242F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:47:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.59] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 20:45:39 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.77] by tm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 20:45:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp239.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 20:45:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385585139; bh=JtsvN0JQIWJua3sQdp6V1izE7+qgJhZWmPjxuXulC6k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=g0sKvaHFiG1z77T46GtyXTAxzu6JEP9Pyu8gVoeXmrcg8mWTlWpSq6qDpAbxCPFc8qPrwlo31lyPHc4k3RixFCtl9CWiYWx9vb/tx0E0qs1G6db4Rqfd1fLyjkB99hOiGk4YCMWuQP0XHFLcj+wQjtvoAHBFed4SdsDT6l+gx4g= sJaCqOWNzuJ.J9zE47GivP7gSOMhFvDlEwYpoty1MzE.AL5TwXVe_kcupBPE xVzEzkcresOmoBV1kUGzSrckUf1RE5nP4xmq2Lxk9LtXffs7y19U2EWvNtBf vGMZBcaB4b6hbEKCeFaFp13pIcXPfnMIC1ENfTF1JCVAxwH4eoggFDRgTL2W 56EOpD5i5eVsSR5NIEXxymy.uzwVC46AkA40K_XkVaVv0gbwoVnQzeoJNVtl y9djthNk4CzNVx0e2MZjMmS_opQky4ZQnHqjNkG79n6kqHCotlQNy0R.MCLK Hq1MQLvBmf.jt5Cvd2GzcEoRth_dU4JiIOkGfLtROhfJwaZMr7MaMFahOnda k.dCTNHYIyV99RWKHkSyWUhJwFFiJjjEUfCn2oBUba7MldSfKfO3BZUsdhxH GhBtBHXuKzuATh_s2ah1O1A3kHLIt9IpMq1y756UugHjzHrWHxqcdr3_HgBH jeuSM6NmETramfxsUVEOYFNBbc0oDP5o8aZBFKIfWm2XMKTmrgOJZalYla13 iuRbnydXxkHRRkP0- by smtp239.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2013 20:45:39 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:45:38 -0600 To: "Dave1massey@cs.com" , triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Dave, Ordered poly bushings this morning. Thanks for the tightening tip. My restoration book mentions not tightening until the chassis is loaded. Appreciate your explanation. 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Received: from [94.1.246.72] by web171904.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:46:44 GMT SGksIEphY2sKwqAKU2lsbHkgb2xkIG1lLiBJIHRob3VnaHQgdGhlIGlkZWEgd2FzIHRvIHRvdyB0aGUgY2FyIGEgZmV3IGJsb2NrcywgYXMgaW4gYSBicmVha2Rvd24gYW5kIHRvIGdldCBob21lwqAtIG5vdCBoYWxmd2F5IGFjcm9zcyB0aGUgY291bnRyeT8KwqAKSWYgZ29pbmcgZnVydGhlciwgSSdkIG9idmlvdXNseSBwdXQgdGhlIHRoaW5nIG9uIGEgdHJhaWxlci4gVGhlbiBpdHMgaGFuZGJyYWtlIG9uLCBsb2NrZWQgaW4gZmlyc3QgZ2VhciBhbmQgcmF0Y2hldCBzdHJhcHMgb24gYSBjcm9zc292ZXIgZmEBMAEBAQE- References: <79b95.756b2398.3fc7756a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:46:44 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: "McGaheyRx@aol.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Jack Silly old me. I thought the idea was to tow the car a few blocks, as in a breakdown and to get home - not halfway across the country? If going further, I'd obviously put the thing on a trailer. Then its handbrake on, locked in first gear and ratchet straps on a crossover fashion around each roadwheel. This is the only way you can legally tow a car in the UK and the combined weight of the car and trailer cannot exceed 85% of the towing vehicle - even with electric or over-run trailer brakes. A failure to do this will inevitably having flashing blue lights in your rearview mirror and a dayglo chequer coloured car with "POLITE" plastered down each door inviting you to stop PDQ. Cheers, John From: "McGaheyRx@aol.com" >To: flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk; keithstewart@execulink.com; triumphs@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013, 16:18 >Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 407 > > > >John > >I think you should say "were" strong enough - I've seen to many of these bent and broken to ever trust one - I would strongly suggest these never be used, even to tie down a car on a trailer - if you have to make a panic stop while trailering a car, the force exerted on the rear tie down points is much greater than the weight of the car >Force = Mass x Acceleration > >Cheers, >Jack Mc > > > >In a message dated 11/27/2013 10:53:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, flywheelcoventry1@yahoo.co.uk writes: >These were put >>there at the factory to chain the car down when being transported on a truck >>from factory to dealer or docks. Both are more than strong enough to attach a >>tow rope. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 14:35:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0000C42F1B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:35:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED73342F08; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD26EA0372; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:32:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:32:33 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: Triumphs , healeys@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [TR] Happy Thanksgiving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net to those who celebrate it. I'll be heading out of town soon, hope nothing blows up while I am gone. Back late sunday. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 15:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA8242F40 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:21:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9431542F09 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C965B700000B6; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 95222E000086; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:19:38 -0500 (EST) To: levilevi@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385590778; bh=CM8apq1Av89LG1CoKRmMQGqs9unSXUqk44MkplwdimQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qm5M7IxdOpLNMEmvr/bIaq3DN680aOpvX3IGQpCumxJK10ErRGyeNk0+R+GmCMaEz XJJl+piAsRO3uOONgOGiK/WmizFkjhqnRvPi23MEq1V4EF6YpRB3w4OUFsuxpdMXKA EU/nQy3VTHbEAOQ4Y3xiaoWW7K27ShAQgiE5Z1F8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294852966ffa5fff Subject: Re: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder how many of these success stories were cars equipped with overdrive. The problem with flat towing is the oil doesn't get distributed if the gears are not turning but if the transmission is equipped with an overdrive the planetary gear assembly turns and will fling oil about and perhaps a sufficient amount will find its way into the main gear cluster thus saving it from self destruction. Just a hypothesis. Dave In a message dated 11/27/2013 11:47:52 AM Central Standard Time, levilevi@comcast.net writes: > This was somewhat of a mixed bag. > The majority said the transmission would suffer if oil wasn't being > flung onto the gears. > I got no reports of anyone having an actual problem with a > transmission not being lubricated when flat towing. But maybe I just > haven't heard from those folks. > I had some folks say they'd flat towed British cars many miles without > an issue. In some cases they'd flat towed all over the country. > Some said that since the gears weren't under load that the lubrication > from the oil sloshing around in the case was enough. > Some recommended a Remco driveshaft disconnect coupling (there are > very few others out there). The cost of one including modifying the > driveshaft would be much more than a replacement Spit tranny. > Many said just trailer it or use a car dolly with the car backwards > and the steering wheel strapped down. But I'm lazy and looking for the > quick easy way of just reducing the process to hooking/unhooking the > two bolts on the tow bar at the car. > My idea of locking the clutch in the disengaged position with the > gearbox in 4th gear was met with distain and suspicion. Too many > things (clutch MC or slave) could fail and cause problems. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 06:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5F542F0D for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:13:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70AF40524 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:12:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C88787017C972 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9AE97E000086 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:11:00 -0500 (EST) References: <736e9311.1ceebcd.1b5ffd70.29@indiefilmnet.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m261.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:10:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:10:59 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385644260; bh=FFKdvUGOsgiOZ0Ga+mzcBIuhVOSc0AE/b74+IPZvohc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iaAMG4TI5fI8hRlIP7wMG8g/Zkn/5Vcd7wp6v/xT4mGbivB4iXTN2G2bHoJf1UjSr JJIiJoGoabFCQPAMWEOWL/JETd/zYvu6wnzp4d2twk0rwiGh6ziJuOZ6Ct1ishTq9v ZkNMlGZ2e/Xqwlrnxd96AJpm9vOIXI8T/SkH7cLA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca529740e418bc Subject: Re: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It the engine isn't turning the lay gears aren't turning and there is no distribution of the gear oil. Also the main shaft cluster isn't turning either (since they are meshed with the layshaft) but the main shaft (which is connected to the output flange) is. So the main shaft is spinning in the stationary main gear cluster and without lub the bushings will suffer. Also note that even if the car is stationary as long as the engine is turning and the clutch is released the layshaft cluster gears are turning distributing oil. There are a lot of variables. What type of oil is in the transmission. What is the ambient temperature. But the most important variables are how long is the two and how recently was the engine run (gear oil circulated) before the tow. I have also heard that you can overfill the transmission to obviate the problem. If you fill the transmission to the point where the main shaft is at least partially submerged you will probably be fine. But standard fill levels are well below this point. I had a transmission fail after a 50 mile flat tow. It didn't fail straight away but I believe it is the result of the flat towing. The failure mechanism is legit. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hooper I've often wondered about these dire warnings. During towing in neutral (or deceleration), with the rear wheels turning, isn't the layshaft gear assembly (sitting in a pool of oil) turning all the time? And since it is meshed with some of the main gears above, wouldn't that transfer some oil constantly to the main gears? Just wondering again... Mark 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 06:24:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634ED42EF3 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:24:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (mail-ve0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358A7403F0 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id jw12so6003084veb.24 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:22:35 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9cs8uIyNZQnVGlJqICiQR9088+g0CUpXqTioH2znDaE=; b=s5e7I3ohV6I4We1UeNYBLaV0vJZ0Cya+3A6JuQaxBrAGbZ1/o8MneCk3ocsh2k2JX7 8/IKOZ6goMf8CZRJa3OkvgiYbcNpBbGuc+4ksLDIJWXlG45ZPe7Rdtof6GFiUkStZGf+ Cx5jmY1RZENtP5HNLUscF3Wjlr+jLhRap48uHWMsefaAlRTUyrbBNa5rAiEmgcFv45QR 18B3BnInQB5fsodkzW/gv6VZ8fHv6WwemQhQ/PS5bjmdfF2PkKOFgwTr8yiQDmZcEfUv iPaKHFBC2zipu8hOfjmSHK9YqP8T2cYZ0ROVuYwG+0SWOc3QIMD6uTb7r99VLTH0EC3F 8ujw== tr4mr602958vec.34.1385644955120; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:22:35 -0800 (PST) References: <736e9311.1ceebcd.1b5ffd70.29@indiefilmnet.com> <8D0BA526A7686BA-1C84-892D6@webmail-m261.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:22:35 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Massey Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Dave Massey wrote: > I had a transmission fail after a 50 mile flat tow.... I wonder if, in cases of extreme need, one could simply have the engine idling & the gearbox in neutral during the tow? Might work for 50 miles -- not practical of course for a 1000 mile tow. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 06:51:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C7742F04 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:51:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC5140524 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:51:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B54317003162F for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3480AE000084 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:49:48 -0500 (EST) References: <736e9311.1ceebcd.1b5ffd70.29@indiefilmnet.com> <8D0BA526A7686BA-1C84-892D6@webmail-m261.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:49:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:49:48 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385646588; bh=nEoO+ybxzqQ+5NbgEAxLbn4CImLJ7lN9piWmOdDnjf8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=losEux+d/HxJEsfDKV7q8LAySSE9GEIhbD2/cbRJB0qMdUtlmqKBymX/U37Ptgw8e 4MMWk9iZYYPoh2QxoefrKbA49lPTbAUUlEt0uKgE1tvHXQcDPwLjomE8LgPxjKODGN YhiAOGEjpNO0hYxAXAVCHoW9SUag7ZwAQoQKv6c8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e529749fc5b15 Subject: Re: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In theory it would work, even on a 1000 mile tow. Just be sure to top off both tanks when you stop. But for a 1000 miles it might be easier to disconnect the driveshaft. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Dave Massey wrote: I had a transmission fail after a 50 mile flat tow.... I wonder if, in cases of extreme need, one could simply have the engine idling & the gearbox in neutral during the tow? Might work for 50 miles -- not practical of course for a 1000 mile tow. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 08:16:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351EE42A58 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:16:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29940454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:16:19 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=p9U9XfOu8vcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=tPuGH_HQU3UA:10 a=HWBdpoEJPadbolsdhkMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55006] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3C/2B-25023-8DD57925; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:14:33 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Bud R'" , Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:14:31 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7rmNRRk4rqVtXpT+2oPF6OnHb0WAAstdbQ Subject: Re: [TR] Info. on Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I got no reports of anyone having an actual problem with a > transmission not being lubricated when flat towing. But maybe I just > haven't heard from those folks. Not a Spitfire, and I'm not certain how far it was towed with the rear wheels on the ground. But I have the remains of a TR3 transmission that was apparently ruined by flat towing. The mainshaft was blue where it engages with the bearing to the input shaft (which I now use as a clutch alignment tool), and scored from running in the dry bushings. Even with Russian Roulette, you've got a 5 out of 6 chance. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 08:51:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5637342A14 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:51:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E5340454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v3ac1m0091eYJf8AB3pfoc; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:49:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v3pe1m00Z3NmwNy013pfc8; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:49:39 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:49:50 -0800 To: TR3/6 s=q20121106; t=1385653779; bh=LfTeTH4aia3t88d/ODd2Oh6nYNkp7xF/qkjqCk5Jg8E=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=Nj53HO1vjMb7rFi2tDWZu6J1WJFOqTo5/mb/gAjLYCXSOX9pVkfqfDobgLehV9PCs ZtWyklJoPceHJ/5hUupJ4jiHJ7Hq7SWdC4i/5oAXrARxgXjih7v1zhpUUdK5bcgAQg HrXvUwXRgUY/uw2lVjwa+xK4qN2TWUR+InDrt6E+UYlc3VWf21ZkaYA2zb86H1eEAI i0Wyvw1fPO9J3vkx7twkg2f7aTX8+Q1AbaMovEqdzfhlTCuhQ5/FwcwPE/EPl6ySU2 ZL3zRzIwS8elvyVaTPhThkeGeF5h8PDHyYHiZLDxCiitsJc8pZUifxyitypGidEF2K S2dG2HKvknBSw== Subject: [TR] Macy's Garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotics on Mr Macy and his great Garage, wish there was something like that on the West Coast, hmmm I guess he would not franchise, not with his very demanding views on how our Triumphs should be treated. Well worth the read, Casper would love to get a Macy Makeover. "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 08:54:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C3342F1B for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:54:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AECD40454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id md12so12831286pbc.35 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:52:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cKbmQNTvT35kGE+hFXUcuyTkUCMJ2YSB8i9IQ0QH/V4=; b=BjXexF2Ug8xnXq/4JLurY9mYFDVdcIYp9yXBa61L5FE3X1/1wFyVeMC1/JiOyvpU/G eVD+Wh/FSmtI0Emurrc9ogW/yw8RpOYTSrhANrqBzwdN9pnfrIy9Y3aklqUVvnr7IwzQ GPyvpJIdNrN1vCbHStgcZr1ioaMYoFGll+yr/0IST7u1HPrVHbniIF6Hq3Q+aMjAYOJ5 tCBfd5u8beO/JQkcu4YwyBY/SEHkCKF5rJh3Mzrs/V3D2CcPxHf2HePUOLREGipNxyhW xozx0zygEM2cEmujZJQl7hqCpyf3GpqNPFPCQ4l/WCLMBxW4yzh3ZbL20ULVlxvrXeh0 WpPw== hk2mr48255519pad.76.1385653963545; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.98.225 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:52:43 -0800 (PST) References: <7969EEC6-924A-46DB-8438-7955E3A0F759@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:52:43 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: William Pugh Cc: TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] Macy's Garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I stop by Mark's shop every once in a while and all I can say is WOW! Not only does he do quality work he manages to keep his shop cleaner than I keep my house, let alone my shop :) Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Brad On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM, William Pugh wrote: > Great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotics on Mr Macy and his great Garage, > wish there was something like that on the West Coast, hmmm I guess he would > not franchise, not with his very demanding views on how our Triumphs > should be > treated. > > Well worth the read, Casper would love to get a Macy Makeover. > > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p ; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 18:23:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36AB42EED for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:23:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5483E40454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:23:07 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=-xYCQeSw9vEA:10 a=d6MRBv-3Ff_eaVEmLM0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 75/05-00728-F0CE7925; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 01:21:19 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:21:18 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7qWSHGSfXyrl5ETSG42PKV5+NraQCNSrEQ Subject: Re: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > How about if I put it in 4th gear and lock the clutch in the > disengaged position (as it would be if the clutch pedal were > pushed in)? > > Will the input shaft spin and the oil deflector throw oil on > the gears > from the wheels/diff/driveshaft/mainshaft/input shaft spinning? Should work, but now you'll be spinning the throwout bearing all the time. BTW, a TR3 will fit inside the largest U-Haul covered trailer (although the doors won't quite close). I suspect a Spitfire would fit even with the doors closed. I've done some flat towing for various reasons over the years, and it has always been surprisingly hard on the towed vehicle, even if nothing breaks. Every turn you make forces the towed car to flex some, which isn't good for it even if it doesn't break anything. Even if you have to buy a used trailer at one end, and resell it at the other, I think you'll be ahead in the long run. Unless it's someone else's car of course. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 21:38:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7FA42EEC for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:38:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DD140453 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vGYX1m0041vN32cA6Gbv6o; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 04:35:55 +0000 Received: from [10.232.239.31] ([174.237.227.74]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vGbk1m00a1cwuJN8iGboWa; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 04:35:53 +0000 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:35:52 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1385699755; bh=lEwF0sj4pFRdAUWewz0qC3WS2FWBgx8UvSlXbE2bOPs=; h=Received:Received:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e2vEeMYlx4G4vyKXGdfAruGAlTJoR8szsw9jEYb8jEVleO0MFJ6cmZrSGPYwul+GB 8bM6t4htRN2WcwtmRjMohOuQjd6rFXN6qtVPfk2OrnbLjPXDNQ2Iu+oWp63Wf7CGs3 ssiz/NXkGc8P8ukVVac0zsmH60m5mx5wrwyxWpoo3apwQ/Yo62CnOh4mc4aD0fTxDF rBABZ1DL/+ustj0u2EQ9nVKjh15JjoYqIWvaBdhwqqt/TbqHbh4d46EfM+hpuhCXKg c2uVf5RT/bwHqBgZqHzs6Yq3CENGx7ytcUkbeTX0wmMT5aP3jvKnmHJJ8NzaW/wlOa W6oVGZodQO6pg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Towing_a_Spitfire?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can rent a small uhaul truck and load the car at a muffler place or other place with a rack. I did this with a TR4. The spit is a cheap car, but you're going too cheap dragging it that far. The whole frontend will be sandblasted when you arrive after flat towing that far. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: Cc: Subject: [TR] Towing a Spitfire Date: Thu, Nov 28, 2013 7:21 pm > How about if I put it in 4th gear and lock the clutch in the > disengaged position (as it would be if the clutch pedal were > pushed in)? > > Will the input shaft spin and the oil deflector throw oil on > the gears > from the wheels/diff/driveshaft/mainshaft/input shaft spinning? Should work, but now you'll be spinning the throwout bearing all the time. BTW, a TR3 will fit inside the largest U-Haul covered trailer (although the doors won't quite close). I suspect a Spitfire would fit even with the doors closed. I've done some flat towing for various reasons over the years, and it has always been surprisingly hard on the towed vehicle, even if nothing breaks. Every turn you make forces the towed car to flex some, which isn't good for it even if it doesn't break anything. Even if you have to buy a used trailer at one end, and resell it at the other, I think you'll be ahead in the long run. Unless it's someone else's car of course. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 19:16:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E942842F93 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:16:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA91403ED for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id veBS1m0011eYJf8A7eECPT; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +0000 Received: from [10.232.239.31] ([174.237.227.74]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id veE21m00A1cwuJN01eE569; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:14:10 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:14:09 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1385777652; bh=GvU0ziFDzNqPPIc2BoG/zn+i3ak4AyFRbw749xzp3DU=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CyEqD2Jbv4aQjt04k1B8AxjJ/baNYFiK0WRe1lGG6s0fIwl2O7hRogO8zBQOargT1 tpfIL1KsSBqs/eBEnkZ6E0u8b1oPebhmBCIUuEPXxeF72bUxMtcuIBlwXn7QMqRez6 72vQd+lKA9R1kswsd4pDKCl9bHRIg/GN/N64MzYTsCTLTTpv5l7H24h+8N270oC3g8 CGm851MjhoCHVD+FARLvsvw61LZbMEzhJ/XEov03oD46yLkDglfGiiVPbpr2Rk49Fi BXZD9XBcz2PcYEX3yjvQuVoYbwaEaAqV5dqjN/cpjb8/xLolsnZXlYvA1QVdFqw4vZ LNUgWEOXlgW/g== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR4_wiper_gear?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a good wiper motor gear, or know of a substitute? The guy who had this car seems to have put some other gear in because the wipers only go about halfway across the screen. Thanks in advance! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 19:46:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A9C42F9A for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:46:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2182E403FE for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:46:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.158] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 02:44:37 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.134] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 02:44:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 02:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 80652 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2013 02:44:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385779476; bh=hd0A9mMjss3hHA6T36atNBBXYQBd22oDkzzi0BRpDOc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o5/QRB6f6w7qfxFbAkmpdgRk0fen991eMkoTFTzpnyyp22NR2ApBhuECkDyNCvK8EWfhbdNPyrPX8Iw+5FqOjmEsfq9rU1XnsMxnlPtbwYINbD/sZ3gWYQNQXj7DdtB23pDF3MWgkYuxDxoNN5z+LSv1mNszO8HsNv/JdA3CX7o= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RpOePUCgapFuSQ41It+oyjY9TPVnMG+6jMn7Z1JmpuX7S2bv0SOGbTAlK3o0nk8pt0RAaJk/zx/6L0YhRZI0c4bPjfQfE8eENUkkl7hZiEvOH+ItS01xj+WZZHGQF3mjPdbZc9wj3fm4m68F3WN3S7rkbBXFaIyZMHYhikA30YM=; Sl99jP8nm1dTojEHdc_wH2sofjYMuXAaCqrPPn.op9SFUz6mvhkm2EQWnx3p I6fmmZ68x5AIT4xT9LECqVl.yyKAZBjdM8OHuj4OSAiHHfT3Fs2IM7K8B0iZ EqkMYS7TSyq.xHZkjJ16QK.t8jr9wxPpzkzbKpjC.WUkw9LXyABn7TS5WBMV SBjkECYvcWKtby3.yBVSbjE_ZX7kxfYp4_FEMeyrMKK8T6jAfvnsvt80AtrV iJSM82d_9g_9Lwl9n71MX3r8Z8kGEHOd3ouxaDevX4GaIoq_KTmBfbpPfjkF syET5sjvVJvGlIlzi1RIM7khVgFWvqt_jZaq7c447tPHVkKXeXnf7xYmf0HK HLW7JIkG53kayVhogEnjo00WPU6o8tlNiagXi6it3jJ5n_1ANwsU0oixxzut xVImC_1iQWP7JA.9oAmK9.3gm7w0PSAvcH.XDU4qiIT6qjl7uDI_Ega4ZWVw Olz6SwdYf97acOr8n0lFvU_JUeINTf62blFTQBtIcOqAYR8dgeQYGsu3f1PN QoJTgsRrNf_7_o18WpBE- Received: from [107.195.30.184] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:44:36 PST wqAgwqAgwqBJIGp1c3QgaW5zdGFsbGVkIGEgUGVydHJvbml4IGFuZCBhIE1vc3MgdmFjdXVtIGFkdmFuY2UgY29udmVyc2lvbiB0byBteSAxOTc0IFRSNi4gSSBnb3QgaXQgdGltZWQgYW5kIG5vdyB0aGUgdGFjaCBjYWJsZSBjYW4ndCBjb25uZWN0IGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlIHRvcCBvZiB0aGUgZnVlbCBwdW1wIGlzIGluIHRoZSB3YXkuIElzIHRoZXJlIGEgd2F5IGFyb3VuZCB0aGlzP8KgCsKgIMKgIMKgSSBleHBlY3QgdGhhdCBJJ2xsIGhhdmUgdG8gaW5zdGFsbCBhbiBhZnRlcm1hcmtldCBlbGVjdHJpYyBmdWUBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 18:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Fuel Pump vs Tach Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just installed a Pertronix and a Moss vacuum advance conversion to my 1974 TR6. I got it timed and now the tach cable can't connect because the top of the fuel pump is in the way. Is there a way around this? I expect that I'll have to install an aftermarket electric fuel pump. I plan to use a NAPA pump. I installed a Facet pump on my TR3 and the thing makes a terrible racket sometimes. Is there an optimum location to put it and an easy terminal to land the wires to the "switched" side of the circuit? Does Moss or someone make a blanking plate for the mechanical pump location? My TR6 has vacuum lines and fittings going everywhere. It seems like now that the car is smog exempt and I live in California that I could just remove it all and blank off the ports, leaving only the vacuum advance. Is there any legitimate reason for leaving all the vacuum/smog crap on the car? It all leaks anyway from what I see. I have too many projects going at the same time. I am rebuilding the TR3 engine (snapped crankshaft...), recommissioning a TR6 that hasn't seen the road in 25 years and changing out a coil spring in a 1952 Triumph Renown. Good times. TIA, Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 19:54:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9A442F95 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:54:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65208403FE for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:54:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MX200ES22NVZ130@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:52:43 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "William Brewer" , "Triumphs" References: <1385779476.61989.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:52:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Fuel Pump vs Tach Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net you should be able to rotate the cam driven gear that drives your distributor 1-2 teeth clockwise thus re-pointing your drive cable away from the fuel pump a bit. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Brewer" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 9:44 PM Subject: [TR] TR6 Fuel Pump vs Tach Cable > I just installed a Pertronix and a Moss vacuum advance conversion to > my > 1974 TR6. I got it timed and now the tach cable can't connect because the > top > of the fuel pump is in the way. Is there a way around this? > I expect > that I'll have to install an aftermarket electric fuel pump. I plan to use > a > NAPA pump. I installed a Facet pump on my TR3 and the thing makes a > terrible > racket sometimes. Is there an optimum location to put it and an easy > terminal > to land the wires to the "switched" side of the circuit? > Does Moss or > someone make a blanking plate for the mechanical pump location? > > My TR6 > has vacuum lines and fittings going everywhere. It seems like now that the > car > is smog exempt and I live in California that I could just remove it all > and > blank off the ports, leaving only the vacuum advance. Is there any > legitimate > reason for leaving all the vacuum/smog crap on the car? It all leaks > anyway > from what I see. > I have too many projects going at the same time. I am > rebuilding the TR3 engine (snapped crankshaft...), recommissioning a TR6 > that > hasn't seen the road in 25 years and changing out a coil spring in a 1952 > Triumph Renown. Good times. > TIA, > > Bill Brewer > Tehachapi, CA > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 07:19:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2F342FE5 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 07:19:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15594040A for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 07:18:48 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=x1SjZx2iGw8A:10 a=78fIh7wVrfwA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=C3D5IUVWKQIA:10 a=B6ARQbUIAAAA:8 a=PRdVJKO6bkHFuU2tSMcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Vp7jNqS7ZLsA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:51057] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 29/F1-09582-453F9925; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:16:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:17:25 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: William Brewer , Triumphs References: <1385779476.61989.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Fuel Pump vs Tach Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, If you decide to go electric fuel pump, both the Facet and the NAPA do make some chatter. At least on my 3, 4 and 6, I dont hear it once the engine starts. I have the them all mounted on the drivers side outside of the spare tire space. The 3 and 4 are mounted directly to the rear and on the 6 on the rear/left side. Conventional wisdom says that they should be mounted as close to the gas tank as possible. All 3 have a fuel filter before the pump and a Holley regulator mounted in the space where the AC fuel pump mounted. I also put a fuel filter before the regulator (overkill I guess). In order to reduce the chatter, mount the pump with rubber washers. I Think Joe Alexander can supply the blanking plates. If I remember correctly, I contacted him when I was looking for a plate for my TR4. I may have the first prototype in the 4. I went on his website, he has a link for the 3 - 4A but no mention of the 6. I am sure I got my 6 plate from him. http://gasketinnovations.com/index.php/engine-components/product/58-fbs-t24 Bob On 11/29/2013 09:44 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I just installed a Pertronix and a Moss vacuum advance conversion to my > 1974 TR6. I got it timed and now the tach cable can't connect because the top > of the fuel pump is in the way. Is there a way around this? > I expect > that I'll have to install an aftermarket electric fuel pump. I plan to use a > NAPA pump. I installed a Facet pump on my TR3 and the thing makes a terrible > racket sometimes. Is there an optimum location to put it and an easy terminal > to land the wires to the "switched" side of the circuit? > Does Moss or > someone make a blanking plate for the mechanical pump location? > > My TR6 > has vacuum lines and fittings going everywhere. It seems like now that the car > is smog exempt and I live in California that I could just remove it all and > blank off the ports, leaving only the vacuum advance. Is there any legitimate > reason for leaving all the vacuum/smog crap on the car? It all leaks anyway > from what I see. > I have too many projects going at the same time. I am > rebuilding the TR3 engine (snapped crankshaft...), recommissioning a TR6 that > hasn't seen the road in 25 years and changing out a coil spring in a 1952 > Triumph Renown. Good times. > TIA, > > Bill Brewer > Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 16:15:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E4E42F5B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:15:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD93B40424 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:14:56 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=5k5K45iTFDAA:10 a=VEDClsRJJ6qtU-ChUrcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Pon9E8Qz0VYVd_FkPbUA:9 a=xziKYfRhQ6MV_OTr:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:55376] helo=[192.168.1.137]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 98/73-19303-BF07A925; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:12:59 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:12:58 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 wiper gear Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That seems unlikely to me. Have you taken it apart? It may be the "wiper park" adjustment (round cap w/ a wire on the motor housing) or the gears of the wheel box (spindle that the arm attaches to) are stripped (Moss 145-217, illus. 15) and that will be a pain. Allen > Subject: [TR] TR4 wiper gear > Does anyone have a good wiper motor gear, or know of a substitute? > The guy who had this car seems to have put some other gear in > because the wipers only go about halfway across the screen. > Thanks in advance! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 16:18:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF2140520 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:18:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1393403ED for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131130231636.OMZW2550.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:16:36 -0500 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.179.172]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id vzGa1m00X3ja9Wm01zGb33; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:16:35 -0500 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=5k5K45iTFDAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=rfNXnOvPqIie9sumWFMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Allen Hess'" , References: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:16:40 -0800 Thread-Index: AQHksKGQON0oPl5xAOxdnKfrhH4/vwDeuJ7kmgvtCiA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 wiper gear Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Might want to check that you have the correct wheelboxes - they have different gear sets for different applications, and I had mismatched ones on a big healey once with similar results. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 3:13 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 wiper gear That seems unlikely to me. Have you taken it apart? It may be the "wiper park" adjustment (round cap w/ a wire on the motor housing) or the gears of the wheel box (spindle that the arm attaches to) are stripped (Moss 145-217, illus. 15) and that will be a pain. Allen > Subject: [TR] TR4 wiper gear > Does anyone have a good wiper motor gear, or know of a substitute? > The guy who had this car seems to have put some other gear in > because the wipers only go about halfway across the screen. > Thanks in advance! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 19:51:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3FC42F57 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:51:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED4CB4040B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:51:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 02:49:41 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.244] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 02:49:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 02:49:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 46557 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2013 02:49:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385866180; bh=tqtLSR69BJKijUWAHs1Ex1ZVJw9ZOjJC/DPZ5giR89w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=onehOy5SPeorA1o0c3hyp3it0HAwQEkJptdUjscENo5gVrxIW6d8QP43iXM701wOgzak3EFeyfelWnhcUL3VEPfyzt1fKTZzBlNCobtxn3cfU6EjfS54shz2Hr58FGvoNqJjAK2v4Ja5v2r+10a90Kq/OfYfBWQ3gJHhd4Sd8pA= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eE048Hd+g+qnYhOQWbtz1z9+4n40KRO0brT/iJHO0YoCseZBn5AWzGQx2tUdmQWTDoPfzD8uA2IS3NnBBAjzIqF4UZaZZ6SdrkdBZ7bYXnngDZv7gLZGzlrB48JVPWrAUu488x5QlvH5z3Al/oJfVsPrDHOdLxvauCTv2edf3wU=; Ke._v_Deiq546wyBNILACHHtscIG5L4wo24WJYF0W7mGptV4aBbbGQTUwZmY 03wlkYNpTMy.N7rcTKTv0dk65C6wqAytlV3Ce87t7hsmc6UN10GH0KPJeaL6 PZnSmnkqn2ZyFepw_pRg0fAzGjr9X.rtD2lZvMWWhvox.l2kdRF8Q6j0N2tc 4v29GlB10DRPBsV1yG56L1sd0Dwi79ft2Rr6Mcb896H.p.H9BggFvP.5d3iz fe4hDyaV_jk2WDYJHHko6pv3U6.NEUOeXjujoFMale8elDYoXAyEysKDk9wM uNbX66HcISKnjJ_EI2M1rBxsUVQdSWQMVDfHOV3EnwWDuykDWWTcheqf.BKT 2nGSB934LicxXJSFayHlC9UE2Fg0YXL4D7s_BKiIHy3.tBDW26DZUkcFZtW3 I6vc0I.r8cHqfP6iTReWvky4kG1r6PSOXTjGaE_ozNzyFiIwBXYot83GPCpU 80f9X95fiUdjtsS7iq2yofYE_4PlnR54iZNF1qC5Kfq8A2.DKoR5W1yEpEeL Cbu_YH6hHDmwC57iPzo9LGUNn6K0- Received: from [108.220.119.161] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:49:40 PST wqAgwqAgwqBJcyB0aGVyZSBhbnkgcmVhc29uIHRvIHJldGFpbiB0aGUgRXhoYXVzdCBHYXMgUmVjaXJjdWxhdGlvbiAoRUdSKSB2YWx2ZSBvbiBhIDE5NzQgVFI2PyBJdCBqdXN0IHNlZW1zIGxpa2UgYSBwb3dlciByb2JiaW5nIG1vbnN0cm9zaXR5IHRoYXQgbmVlZHMgdG8gZ28gYXdheS4gSSBhbSBjb25zaWRlcmluZyByZW1vdmluZyBpdCBhbmQgYmxhbmtpbmcgaXQgYWxsIG9mZi4gSSBhbSBwbGFubmluZyBvbiB1c2luZyB0aGUgdmFjdXVtIHBvcnQgb24gdGhlIGFmdCBjYXJidXJldG9yIGZvciBteSBuZXcBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 EGR Valve & Misc Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there any reason to retain the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) valve on a 1974 TR6? It just seems like a power robbing monstrosity that needs to go away. I am considering removing it and blanking it all off. I am planning on using the vacuum port on the aft carburetor for my newly installed vacuum advance. My ignition switch is intermittent. Frequently you have to turn it on about 5 or 10 times before the starter spins. At the same time, when the "fasten seats belts" light comes on the car will begin to start. I am guessing that it is the 1974 only device that requires the seat belts to be fastened before the car will start. My car is missing the seat belts, but still starts. I'll investigate it further tomorrow, but maybe it is something else. Does anyone have any other ideas? I found the Dan Master's write-up on bypassing the switch. There is the thermostatic switch on the top radiator hose. It appears to be full of vacuum leaks. I am considering replacing it with an earlier one piece hose and blanking off the vacuum ports. I would also blank off where the hot water circulates through the carbs. Is there any advantage to the thermostatic switch causing heating water to circulate through the ZS carbs? It seems like more power robbing smog equipment that worked marginally at best. If it does something useful then I'll fix it and keep it. The anti-run on valve seems to be always on and running my battery down. Today I connected the battery and I can hear it click on. Can someone explain to me how this works and how I might fix it? Do they work? Is it worth fixing or should it be bypassed? I need to grease the rear half shafts. I see in the manual that there should be a zerk fitting on each U-joint. Does that also lubricate the splines? Can you peel over the boots to get to the U-joint zerks or does that ruin the boots? My apologies for the barrage of questions. The car sat for 25 years and I am trying to wake it back up. I am used to the simplicity of my TR3 and frustrated by the TR6 until I get used to it. TIA, -Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 19:56:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C31040439 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:56:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F102E4040B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:56:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170182pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MX3006OUXEXKL30@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:54:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.255.78.115 ([96.255.78.115]) by vznit170182 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:54:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:54:33 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative like I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas tank. I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any idea how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 20:05:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7BA40439 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:05:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D164040B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id oy12so7920021veb.15 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:03:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=R0yTNaj1tEPfMASAOWjAtZUu8a0EV8zgs/xTH2JLt1c=; b=n40W8PibPscN8EegvcdcIe/UU31r6Hj9QDLVTFPvgOor11Xq4F8dRh4djZ+MebP326 0wJYra8aQ4rZ0Bf2F2He8E7K246aENy3aI9/TgS1J//Rfyfwh3qUt1N+/0CmjG0w+EPw l1yNE+RM9ZRhaaJVDk2vNpIJxDmNxstQJ/gYRd6LojCM8r8W0p/8LdFSiDm66zb3hij3 UZ1Ya7H3G1HSFm8lX20pkIdlPsaYImFDZ1+pcZwd+iDaOGBSRvnbStqlJHw86Ev4lJA9 2+/MQoqrmC9JeuMRz+xI1JBzetLnQXDBjeAFt5DWNohIibkT5RI1uPEK0oincg9MzYKH gJTg== ak14mr968113vdc.43.1385866996454; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:03:16 -0800 (PST) References: <23597814.320022.1385866473369.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:03:16 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: thenicholls@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't think it will dissolve. A tool like this Grabbing Toolmay be able to get it. I have one that is useful for getting me out of assorted jams. In addition to Sta-Bil, when a car will be idle for a spell I clamp off the fuel line and run the carbs dry. Geo On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:54 PM, wrote: > Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative > like I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas > tank. I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any > idea how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? > > > Craig > 1972 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 20:10:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495ED40533 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:10:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF83F4040B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i7so11830510oag.10 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:07:59 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5wr1fvYyJuFh24bqycll7OJFKqlxYChDqebqSIW1a80=; b=Ahh1i/8+bsDMs0/30RsmaJHX6jfyl7R0DqrHeNTvGH4X1BFRolQvB6wkQPL5l3I0/q Ll1wx9bNAD4FSg42quLSWzAtZiadCYiGXWSbee1OXqV/B2KWes5VymjR0RJrdHKAQc+G AYedtpJH5M6LUXrXRvrptPPIMNh8wevC8xGWwiyYFHpOTcomArZQt1JXJgLtRDPhUpyk cnhF0sVPuebrJw94ZxBHPSr6E9IdwwYrAZ/V1ZTaXke+n6Q+pZjO9OaV9/mKUG1gg31R OUAczpP2v6Gy5ohqWz2oIwo1UdEU0nP+Y5i0IdNb4UCJ+d73X1SGXxI3MAYroBRQqgBW YWJw== oo4mr1617251obb.50.1385867279401; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d8sm64547620oeu.6.2013.11.30.19.07.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:07:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:07:57 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <23597814.320022.1385866473369.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/30/13, 7:54 PM, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative like I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas tank. I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any idea how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? The first thing I would try is suction. Put a large gas can on the floor beside the fuel tank. Get a hose and start siphoning the fuel into the tank. Try to capture the flat of the cardboard with the siphon hose end. Or if the cardboard were small enough and the hose wide enough maybe you can vacuum it up. My TR3 doesn't hibernate well. In between snow storms if the snow is melted off the road, my TR comes out to play. Mind you I have to bundle up well, but it is worth it. And there is often hot chocolate to be made when I get home since it is likely in the mid 30's when I'm out driving. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 20:46:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3503F40434 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:46:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com (mail-we0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A2E403F7 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t61so4876970wes.25 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:42:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aT5nx1ekYO9XOyRNXPSL36AaFQVU90nDNwFnXpmD+Mo=; b=tGRu9Rlc7Gb7YspcoJsYshuFoWDlwV3DzHayKYOZwiVn6cgnSimpBIlqUtk6FozBTm FOyYWKuvc0DUWWvP69Mddbajk8JiZ1bmnq9qJ32g/mbauiPtu7o7cOxN5DD6K0K1lFnO oNb4rjvKSp9ktaWcY5pL1t1qBPFqQM3AWmbJHlckOwFkhv9uANBuP74Bt3KcHzFNgtQM g5sC4BYAy0z9Jwc0rmIBl2tAs4HuJUk4MUl1ugembdhvil3bvotYr36UDeCYnpyqieY/ g5QYTuuPdBUsELJpxJenuBoceYQcBEL1bfgS84ZgTVyvwQx2e1Lb3LPAivJls4VUvZbs 3T8Q== cj3mr47295017wjc.8.1385869323321; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:42:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:42:03 -0800 (PST) References: <23597814.320022.1385866473369.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:42:03 -0700 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd use a grabber/claw tool. If you don't have one, they're cheap and do the job every few years when it's needed. Like this. They're available everywhere. http://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Claw-Pick-Automotive-Mechanic/dp/B000RB7AGY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1385869144&sr=8-2&keywords=flexible+grabber+tool On 11/30/13, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative like > I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas tank. > I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any idea > how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? > > > Craig > 1972 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 20:53:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677A940357 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:53:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2179A40401 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:53:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id w3rB1m00D2QmmGk013rC2s; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:51:13 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumphs" References: <1385779476.61989.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5299F375.6070709@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:46:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Fuel Pump vs Tach Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe the blanking plate for a small block chevy works as well. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 21:43:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986C842FEE for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:43:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 04A674040A for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 04:41:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 04:41:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 04:41:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385872864; bh=jc9KH+LJK72S7tmr79MyPHU7SvFa2A3WZsnELLrGFVw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=PnVu1BxSvCv6TnbNBEU+V7VMz/PB+uM8chp7a4qBkk9ibvvXNdCUO47lVXI6Ru+BPGbkv7ofpzC4ffkmDKO3XAaGD8DgBqZXM3pW/vtxX0krnmx8bsSewzIREvZX+jSryumwT4OophyzKHzjRe4QCDHhqLJLVzYgRC1Ohu4zv6Q= SRYHzh3Azj0l1sbBB_I5gXuS6kd.Ojyg5Z6Z8G0A3JzZ5FMnwNl0uwZb2kcF cqPH3PcesDBDru4w9d0PA6XLG1Zw8KLHunbKkd4DPd.XEd77H5ACPJZspwRC KPkPet2_Mw1il.1GVUsRZl_9iqlGAK0crGXbTHHJ0EKbB7zdC5t2.YHaqkJY V4VjUSJIsuz8EuZPnugwXpu9PEJy2SkeacSCkkVXV0NZTZMyejza0GTTeXIM _u48ImpsKJckWwmy0j799mOqSy6.VSECoN7eD1Xfls0EWHm_Zp0pUqOaiMmD rMe1gwghBtrQXiWiDV_mk_eFoB00AID9ZbGhCevtuRHQ1oTaC0G2pRIAIXkq aNQ0.pMf.abvFV9bb3L6myKKNS7MjdMxR5x96rt6s2APzk4HLp7pEntV1bjk fBHdr3LPLbWjE4aKFQBatMw9omHs0jU_u4B9.w63m1j.xE9UNCtx1C8HqRfi AWzH_qZrqqrcq41vhaStfOPgZplQjwd6cDAkLa2A6267kgCwW1.ZQwb4dzDe D_oBx6RKGeLBNQ4YPJjJIkYsHgN8PzdaSuEB2EciXjnvjU9yNWaMxZ8Mhrgc M15D42ikxAfzGgj93RdR5NdS5mx42AO_E3h.zTVM1G._HRMQpiKUbo5RK.ho 0dWN2CDm6PodunxBXvMG25gQAePyn_rX2Jq8aA3BftKRadTyb.Ng47VGX3ap h9WcaG5be1elrHVe62H9_GLkgiR78kV3rviwIhfJPvbL28mIn6SayUDn1BQ9 C_2OsGOp7 smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2013 20:41:04 -0800 PST From: To: "'Don Hiscock'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <23597814.320022.1385866473369.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:40:38 -0600 Thread-index: Ac7uR61s4IYt6WcpQFONpduBQoQogwABOq6Q Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have one like that, except for that it has a small LED light on the end that activates when you open the claw. Very handy in dark spaces. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:42 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question I'd use a grabber/claw tool. If you don't have one, they're cheap and do the job every few years when it's needed. Like this. They're available everywhere. http://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Claw-Pick-Automotive-Mechanic/dp/B000RB7AGY/r ef=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1385869144&sr=8-2&keywords=flexible+grabber+tool On 11/30/13, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative > like I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas tank. > I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any > idea how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? > > > Craig > 1972 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 23:28:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162D640450 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:28:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B990940442 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:28:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 06:26:08 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.125] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 06:26:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2013 06:26:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 97120 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2013 06:26:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385879167; bh=Wu5ddxCi/Udv9Q2FPNg6LReeJO2gctvZQD1Ykgwbkkk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sGfozS/so0lP7wmdGyNRXi/Be87i40gyL4TSLnZ8iJkyeG1VYldwqnJGNnH9YK84Kn6/ZsE1Jib/qz8P2c9jY/pGb0pa96hbQf96dvGv3h+CDsvwhlBUodFEnWvzB2rp2322boi8tiRE6KxHVepeoPmKZn7r2baNcypRiNWwMkY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kVc4JfFxq6SPvCpCti+vwWReknXxKk/cF4gPEuSugiJkicjNhSKbXF1/6WAFB3+ku2Lpf8HNhvDKgaG75YWhgre+WrrsFS2zzPLWFeHqwQrJ+jPuQGhyovN1tEJ4qai8SL3BQLi4LU9WjUFFMWPL6GghhYprQOkY8P0eCeEYSbQ=; sXriUQmtq8uX.vr4MOVRw8mm8K6uxP_Eyu4XALPAT8dcM_43F5Irmb9zd1ZN xeTvfzgrAl7aCxxDLRzgXxf76thwYFIpxkP38BOdMX4AdqOBYdxrx41k4v1B Zqf.XLdYNOA5GO2dL89r44jIqdVdBD4hiDJy_DyvG9IUCUMWLxOkJi3TUMlN 5_h8nC8MFqA_VINRySWlhni9mnFihgM9d_71hbYxACnlpPnSdh.7ELRo_VTV 4N5ZiWi4C5GBj5yo37OUmnuKUvi9xldfdyZWj_Fue3wOWbIm0rvfQ4HygvdY SqK3AotN_71Zhpgz0s9j1rjskoTjpLdjdBEDSL9WSULw62gbQcTNflJ.rmMZ x8129Op2FajlvTekxHA.64V5THtLWiRTkhJfUJthfNUP9GLSsZ5kNZr7RIf6 bYw1ZBMOIVLB_T_5Y.vZQ1rSNw6Xjj75RqaxAVIpyR1v4hLoNJ3LBOVRyePw 9jo3_cuz27Xf6C7rLqSs06.O71mc4AHYyDLo.7T3dkWkfXEkqkDVMLa_vl21 y3mIQaNZUOUqC_LZzupOL0wNc_U_D59LK Received: from [108.220.119.161] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:26:07 PST wqAgwqAgwqBJIGFtIHJlYnVpbGRpbmcgbXkgVFIzIGVuZ2luZS4gSSB3YXMgdmVyeSBoYXBweSB3aXRoIHRoZSBvaWwgcHJlc3N1cmUgcHV0IG91dCBieSB0aGUgcHVtcCBwcmV2aW91c2x5LiBJdCBhbGwgc3BlY3Mgb3V0IGluIHRoZSBIYXluZXMgbWFudWFsIHRlc3QgYW5kIGFwcGVhcnMgdG8gYmUgYmFyZWx5IHdvcm4uIEkgaGF2ZSBhbHNvIHJlYWQgb25saW5lIHRoYXQgc29tZSBvZiB0aGUgbW9kZXJuIHB1bXBzIGhhdmUgdGhlIHJvdG9ycyBwcmVzc2VkIG9uIGluc3RlYWQgb2YgcGlubmVkIG9uLsKgQXABMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Oil Pump Rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am rebuilding my TR3 engine. I was very happy with the oil pressure put out by the pump previously. It all specs out in the Haynes manual test and appears to be barely worn. I have also read online that some of the modern pumps have the rotors pressed on instead of pinned on. Apparently, the pressed on rotors can have catastrophic failure. Mine is pressed on. I am thinking about drilling it out for a pin and tapping it and using a setscrew and Locktite. Looking online for rebuild kits, the photo at BPNW clearly shows a pinned rotor. Has anyone else bought a rotor kit with a pinned rotor? I have the original worn out oil pump for the car. It was held together with 7/16 bolts with screw slots in the heads. The oil pump that I have been running (with pressed on rotor) is held together with metric 8.8 bolts. That is probably something to watch out for. -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive