From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 10:17:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4889C40523 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:17:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFE84040B for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170116pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MX5004QR177IB1O@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:13:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.255.78.115 ([96.255.78.115]) by vznit170116 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:13:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:13:55 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got a grabber tool from Advance Auto and got it out. Thanks to all, Craig 72 Triumph TR6 On 11/30/13, Don Hiscock wrote: I'd use a grabber/claw tool. If you don't have one, they're cheap and do the job every few years when it's needed. Like this. They're available everywhere. http://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Claw-Pick-Automotive-Mechanic/dp/B000RB7AGY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1385869144&sr=8-2&keywords=flexible+grabber+tool On 11/30/13, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative like > I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas tank. > I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any idea > how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? > > > Craig > 1972 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 10:26:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7A4051D for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:26:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4CB40411 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wGVW1m0050vyq2s5DHQHG3; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:24:17 +0000 Received: from [10.231.111.56] ([174.228.4.203]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wHQ51m00A4Noxeu3RHQ8Q9; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:24:15 +0000 To: thenicholls@verizon.net,Triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:24:13 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1385918657; bh=NZy9KePWbX27vh9AsqxnPr73KYFaH+H0Wv4yEF8ycY0=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H9szzOP8Memtx2ulU48QsMmS4z+I9hbjadPMZOnDLu/aVXfpVEjUCQPTD6Go0s+Lk uGVtUX1Let4QpYso2pLp+lycWtZv8U2wSKaPykVw1PrpADXb+rb2zit4rmmQWgOVi+ 4uzgb1QW1VQQkNWSfo7sCkdRp1UHRtHi4k5+v0hA7l8vJ9YZV+AXy+yWyudzEZcHB5 ZoFVhOtV7T9KXDgM+oFZeuOPBncOXUctPu4DbkdURbiU3UW6tOBHx0xKrX2idTzvQG 4uFzeSvBVLchBCTsXs8Q/AZcVCMiDfZ+J1Ich/df9vVOis3pI111vT+YJzzM5Y6QDn 7Ao2Nq2a9ZP4w== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Stupid_question?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Desperation breeds innovation. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: Subject: [TR] Stupid question Date: Sun, Dec 1, 2013 11:13 am Got a grabber tool from Advance Auto and got it out. Thanks to all, Craig 72 Triumph TR6 On 11/30/13, Don Hiscock wrote: I'd use a grabber/claw tool. If you don't have one, they're cheap and do the job every few years when it's needed. Like this. They're available everywhere. http://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Claw-Pick-Automotive-Mechanic/dp/B000RB7AGY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1385869144&sr=8-2&keywords=flexible+grabber+tool On 11/30/13, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Putting my 72 TR6 to bed for the winter. Put Sta-bil gas preservative like > I do each winter. Cardboard piece from the top went down into the gas tank. > I can see it. Tried a pin, coat hanger, tape, etc. Anyone have any idea > how to remove it, or should I hope it dissolves over the winter? > > > Craig > 1972 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 10:35:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824304054D for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:35:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640404041D for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id wm4so11945857obc.0 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EKFP1Rwv/CeC/bGNn9C9BP3V/t/Vu0yCi23rTJsHmuI=; b=gvSxOhYiUEMRfn9RUAdRQxX8xM/KxS3blibip95u7fwchkVsitpkyHloC0REpau4qm AcHBk1S964Sq2r94xwkA67N5Z5QXVFP5VVgWVlY7G5FaZpZmb4lQ4ouGDlOpsUZoCE15 4Of7RmgVzYUu+9jXYMeT5ydmzhYTMDlGytVnIamsOzTUXz9H2nPfLIo1/CHvg4m7+v/s Ex1iVZ2nEnOqU++xv6x58byDoRoGPANdjhtNJXjJyFZjXMcB/l5pbLxVfGAnx6uHQLYl PvACupzFbHxBfeLL5elHg8RlKgyOLLOt9e0Y6k3sK3n4uoroJ0ULyHfdTNSPuEp2ZHN5 LW5w== Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm104985355obg.13.2013.12.01.09.33.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:33:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:33:32 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20131201172639.B503242F57@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/1/13, 10:24 AM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > Desperation breeds innovation. > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: thenicholls@verizon.net > > Got a grabber tool from Advance Auto and got it out. > > Innovation? It is just the male need to obtain more tools. A simple siphon and empty gas can would have gotten it out without having to go out and buy more tools. Guys and their tools! geesh TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 10:56:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD9640422 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:56:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2928F403C5 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:56:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wHme1m0020QuhwU56Hu9mL; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:54:09 +0000 Received: from [10.231.111.56] ([174.228.4.203]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wHu01m0074Noxeu3NHu2Ac; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:54:07 +0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:54:07 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1385920449; bh=eq8bl29vf5zPgZ11fXiH21iiYGUVcrRCivgkkInR160=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O1Ni3dvLn5u0TD5fU2oh9SjIIpnCwMacMO+ZqvwjgtOSgt8gEHz7BGPO65zOm5bAV Z2VwKRQBMN88JU7Yyxc77DEcXrJ1KbjSandkqkiwkpIVLsgGdqKNL/s7NnknQ1z/b8 uRfiv5mUGSkbv1xGC9v0b29DRASEh28GWlE1S1EE2nwMnl5OUWhxlABR5cdYGBZxXB o/pHfInZWB/cVo8opg5s3WtUYxXeayrFsMipPhPoQe3Mb8r99sSBkOL6+k1hyGVbRf 3rRu+yerVqQVHCzWAQrt/ZE0qt+jf6VFR9gntEN9bsuF3Ve/Wezc7MBzhDdoJNavvV p+iL0R9jCFvjg== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Stupid_question?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And thus the world was built.... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Subject: [TR] Stupid question Date: Sun, Dec 1, 2013 11:33 am On 12/1/13, 10:24 AM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > Desperation breeds innovation. > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: thenicholls@verizon.net > > Got a grabber tool from Advance Auto and got it out. > > Innovation? It is just the male need to obtain more tools. A simple siphon and empty gas can would have gotten it out without having to go out and buy more tools. Guys and their tools! geesh TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 18:45:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5EF40523 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:45:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDB140422 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:44:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:53986] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 81/70-23041-495EB925; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 01:42:44 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , References: <20131201172639.B503242F57@autox.team.net> <529B72EC.80700@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:42:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net " Innovation? It is just the male need to obtain more tools. A simple siphon and empty gas can would have gotten it out without having to go out and buy more tools. Guys and their tools! geesh TeriAnn" Actually I have a grabber tool, but I don't have a siphon, I better head down to Harbor Freight get one tomorrow, Thanks for the tip TeriAnn...... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 19:14:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1AA40523 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:14:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C54540422 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:13:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170116pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MX500981Q2GCXB0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 20:11:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.255.78.115 ([96.255.78.115]) by vznit170116 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 20:11:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 20:11:04 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My wife calls me a "tool" sometimes, now I know what she means. And TeriAnn, don't worry, I drive the TR all winter, whenever I can, wherever I can. One thing about our cars, they do not like not being driven. Craig On 12/01/13, Greg Lemon wrote: " Innovation? It is just the male need to obtain more tools. A simple siphon and empty gas can would have gotten it out without having to go out and buy more tools. Guys and their tools! geesh TeriAnn" Actually I have a grabber tool, but I don't have a siphon, I better head down to Harbor Freight get one tomorrow, Thanks for the tip TeriAnn...... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 19:44:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C6540450 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:44:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943774044C for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wSey1m0010vyq2s5FShauK; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 02:41:34 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wSha1m0012xV5no3RSha35; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 02:41:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 02:41:34 +0000 (UTC) From: suhringtr36@comcast.net To: Triumph Mail List (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1385952094; bh=Ucmbftk4xkvaUh5vmOETpz94ZllBTYTxdaS9kutgn7c=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DPmOl9qo2SLGZlp6Y3zq4kQ6yq+1rn+DNsfE7ot1pLwM3a4z76qfk5DSLhYmcJ7bM BeJFz9sxn4UofVBNkqHBmBrcJNrgmf11BoVe8pozlP/GfeUgEqniHNqOQJRwmyY9Is Ok2jNIORcZt7NeLq7JKxsEauGE0U2huFNM8Rge0ww8ewxMd8WY61FF8Vx2YRj3BjWd XZ+kJ+w889XaxbiZC5zgWPBItJJhTM5cBDVto0fY0OeL1tWAyW1vxeUjIitq1dWVXX H6fnsSFXcjKq/rti6/9J+nHWftyq7c2/K4FUADObsgG1PHfyn5GE/Q2KBpuPzblQeN d4ufaUpsnvhjA== Subject: [TR] CD of ST Newsletters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Could someone send me the contact information to purchase the CD that contains the Standard Triumph Newsletters? I thought I had my saved delete messages at unlimited by it was at 7 days. Thanks. Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 21:40:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13E542787 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:40:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 978D640451 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2013 04:38:28 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.254] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2013 04:38:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2013 04:38:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32500 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2013 04:38:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385959108; bh=fl1QUj2/OGWYaQoP4YcK78WEkH1z3PM8bWUnPXOZHgI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O03jdgKlC+R7qwYS/jemr8YKyQF/sceT6HIDaKVK1H2O9VZKCdfE7RdyPt2v2xM5QRaJh3Rr52pWev4jSYmYobakayCzSQtztEMU9iZ9cJv9wi8KRYwmEjET9QP/wTDtqBLCiaIPH2P/lnUAQIrAR+CjFCLN5eRyOFKP3KhlRik= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FuS8fUJVQsnRbyBSEwJ3UQjnZBSW0T15Stexb16ASd1vt0DEcPlmCIadMu1K9oc/CB1siz7yG9Hh7w3MNScOi0FZ9fGH62ENkZx3o+2FQ4wGlN3ob2T8S44kx7XhzIpfzh9QdXMjNSlUfn56jRQupujX9SrXsAmnhL9bdMU5fXU=; ZJQIAj4LI6iyJ3eAdFImPBSoNw.XLYuOn.FLBDJZB8Sq4jLx6XrlFT3CSJLJ RcVItHitC8jkeMUlXyW0RVwHR_HxiG6AgPUkw67CIOmYVyB0AVFIj4aLPWRC EPPmXEXkGr9c0ZLrj2XNjwd3NaxbK8TSG7ljVOawWCYehe4i4k9HsPZKver. IxakVNdxCsK8.CONOSoOdBJFjXyd5MSAt4ieJpLcLkRWOElMN9AyDKUZqRND yS_9zdqOpC3ZBf8TChWe0K3HzxMRqmyHIrUwtdC_liCo.g8NR_vpNp02uzov jzKTsCYh4vKHPnl5kzXwUMbVJKXkYoRSFEDQv3QMHIOq1S08fjEwJvCELAFR ob33.3AzFBjCsv6ri2v6ytx3YCrnrqLtU7NWxbjiPbDgoCYu8sEz_..APa9a iwJGYHjDziKp9KdGoojBT9ouEKFbDCzGNnckMPXpKIkEWuREl4mt34GaKL_Q YPM5WgSqsBTv.ccXWM..NurxvZqq5YLIOt87SKsHI2KQdtWULc0wOjFR5ZBz BBQCQb2UfpBc8LxW7s40qZ36XH8UnTESA Received: from [108.240.213.228] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 20:38:27 PST wqAgwqAgwqBNeSBnYXMgZ2F1Z2UgYW5kIHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlIGdhdWdlIGRvbid0IHdvcmsuIEkgY2hlY2tlZCB0aGUgdm9sdGFnZSBzdGFiaWxpemVyIHdpdGggdGhlIGNhciBydW5uaW5nIGFuZCB0aGVyZSBpcyBubyB2b2x0YWdlIHRvIGl0ICh1c2luZyBhIHRlc3QgbGlnaHQpLiBJIGhhdmUgMTIgdm9sdHMgKyBhdCB0aGUgZnVzZSBib3ggZm9yIHRoZSBncmVlbiB3aXJlLiBJbiBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSBmdXNlIGJveCBhbmQgdGhlIHZvbHRhZ2Ugc3RhYmlsaXplciBpdCBsb29rcyBsaWtlIHRoZXJlIGlzIGEBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 20:38:27 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Wiring Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My gas gauge and temperature gauge don't work. I checked the voltage stabilizer with the car running and there is no voltage to it (using a test light). I have 12 volts + at the fuse box for the green wire. In between the fuse box and the voltage stabilizer it looks like there is a 5 branch junction for the green circuit. Where is this located in the car? My underdash wiring is a mess. TIA, Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 22:03:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0B340E1A for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 22:03:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE80640452 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 22:02:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo20so12272249obc.11 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:00:56 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gIG/pV3ijpza0/au38Ki2aF14Keg/hLbHufsdY36y1U=; b=Qd8SBHZIPy/XqKNOsC4lNhltmC1KP3Xk1u8DErDPAAhuR+v6/mBX3hFWYcpPH5LRdZ bAMaQC/Zw+HDROJwH+fnLCkGvUKnU3tIp1Aigh14flHRpfN0DnitO5kUz5OZ6cub8KKy VlTy8o2vr9ZTaYLmqgZc2bStyWQf/u4dLiIvIYWK9TAzfbA9mj1rJML2Hs9PIlGOI/a8 QpSyjtt/MlejuiHAd0jMyMMI5EZnj9SiGbybhEReSNkDUpE97KuLIw7Lrmmn9EzRUQy1 jPP1xhldkNj+FlUs1R6ZCo3IfHZK5QAOV94GKJPanf2oF48jSoE/d/SYum124H1AqeSb KQkQ== hd4mr89656obb.58.1385960456116; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u9sm53545527oey.0.2013.12.01.21.00.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:00:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 22:00:54 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1385959107.29769.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 TR6 Wiring Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/1/13, 9:38 PM, William Brewer wrote: > My gas gauge and temperature gauge don't work. I checked the voltage > stabilizer with the car running and there is no voltage to it (using a test > light). I have 12 volts + at the fuse box for the green wire. In between the > fuse box and the voltage stabilizer it looks like there is a 5 branch junction > for the green circuit. Where is this located in the car? My underdash wiring > is a mess. > TIA, > I can't help you find the wire in your rats nest but the dark green wire is the one that provides voltage to the stabilizer. The light green ones are the ones that go to the gauges. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 04:02:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927F44054A for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 04:02:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9FDD403F7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 04:02:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2013 11:00:39 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.238] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2013 11:00:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2013 11:00:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 68821 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2013 11:00:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385982039; bh=D4phB6ScelDV6JdEU1y/j1poKUf+mrYnU0S0O8D+Vqo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xofjIOlgHrOS6CEnMXKnYnzkH0jG5/ZNRvz5XvaQyCZz/noveT0+apCrKEcgYoBf2YToe+e8uRBGwmrq2B7dYjYL9THC9v0WcAr0lrD1wcjSGHNKKFx/uIyGTKp8t4K9BYqcwZGC7AL1JHRH49kRYJQ4Rbjl0dNCbd1UjycLMbs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iG7Mp3H4zyZkbVGfyYfqiARWOXBBNiZ1wMJf3Or0hSTToZ4wV+hxJn+qfR0bY5D1DFbfG8jTwjg8pHpXjYdAfpi9FWrNR/OK6BtJflwS1/rFHsyKKVa7s25tVIGOyB+ElMlaltXlLWjK1Nc826D2Ze43aMEYOjMVwbNFDgHTank=; vYhiwf_fYk09Mesros40hYnT8n_SAkZGm5W92dHEk7S2LfqXGOOaWwTh.SPe Ak4nfaru6DpnEkphukQSKgDe88tkqUN_pCjYiHT6vw4BkjuYUj6ETW0r945K yrZc_JekERtkA..Aq41YBr9w14NmOSLJMx1fT7CTqftHPyvzjNW9BTTknOmJ nbB5c1MCVosyEV7Bil7hJ7thp17yHQAXrFr3hej6hxuD4ETvFmYw9wK7JLl2 2R.Wo7ANRY1p7.daJX_mWPaHpqkRhbq9K8P_Ytzdji0rH_J4Fyrk87znbJ13 k3IuSFi0Au6X6vrPR..Km_.0Q6NwB211iq5NZAQfBkiGs.Ekpm9sxfOyBcrX HyI9DHxpFVVQF7wWehcaim.8gRvaZNGq_fcjeYEMWAhrwq5cK3CQcB712mbB C9xhw8oOqpoSxZGJWApS5PKGFznZoxKSrMxg.6vVb.QNkwcDzNz.7hM2xQI4 I9ohUsRUQ7LNtk3HGZN8RsapHAHQNjLtYp944btCQyaCz4N4dLEwL5VBACBw 6nJFwMUFgLtobSDgXQpHtohK4q3Iq06bL7E1e3ifs9whjeQ-- Received: from [151.225.87.161] by web171901.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 11:00:39 GMT aW5mb0B0c3NjLm9yZy51ayB3aUlJIGdldCB5b3UgdGhlcmUgYW5kIEkgcmVjb21tZW5kIHlvdSBtYXJrIHRoZSBlbWFpSSBmb3IgdGhlIGF0dGVudGlvbiBvZiBHYXJ0aCBKdXBwLiBJJ3ZlIG1pc2xhaWQgaGlzIG93biBlbWFpbCBhZGRyZXNzCgpKb25tYWMKCgoKT24gTW9uZGF5LCAyIERlY2VtYmVyIDIwMTMsIDI6NDQsICJzdWhyaW5ndHIzNkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldCIgPHN1aHJpbmd0cjM2QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKICAKQ291bGQgc29tZW9uZSBzZW5kIG1lIHRoZSBjb250YWN0IGluZm9ybWF0aW8BMAEBAQE- References: <1417509410.4840083.1385952094037.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 11:00:39 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: "suhringtr36@comcast.net" , Triumph Mail List Subject: Re: [TR] CD of ST Newsletters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net info@tssc.org.uk wiII get you there and I recommend you mark the emaiI for the attention of Garth Jupp. I've mislaid his own email address Jonmac On Monday, 2 December 2013, 2:44, "suhringtr36@comcast.net" wrote: Could someone send me the contact information to purchase the CD that contains the Standard Triumph Newsletters? I thought I had my saved delete messages at unlimited by it was at 7 days. Thanks. > >Scott Suhring >Mechanicsburg, PA >'70 TR6 >'59 TR3A > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 06:15:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697934051D for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:15:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14C0403A5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AEF93701950D1; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.13]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7F799E000087; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:13:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:13:36 -0500 (EST) To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385990016; bh=ZIp6yJsSG0otkPMnfdPwOZaSE+bS+NAZELIIqZWTMtM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ob+4KHX1Xjh5dIFLrg+fkZJPmkzWFqQ/RTRJ8JDMci8EFhuYrUnZNNTE/xKUtK0Cp rG8/IcKLB2U/ERfmNBL4DtVcJE9gwNcEkpU/ZhyExnCAKyliiyEeo3QpDou/3QGgb4 10FOffQv145QRzmIExbIcR4243xkDNC/hcDHi174= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a529c87800a02 Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 TR6 Wiring Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Do your windshield washers work? According to the diagram from Dan masters power for the washers are fed from a daisy chain connection from the stabilizer. The stabilizer is fed from a mega-splice that also feeds the heater fan, overdrive, reverse lights, brake lights and the turn signals. If all of those are working then I would suspect a broken (or cut) wire between the splice and the stabilizer. Dave In a message dated 12/1/2013 10:38:35 PM Central Standard Time, wsb1960tr3a@att.net writes: > My gas gauge and temperature gauge don't work. I checked the voltage > stabilizer with the car running and there is no voltage to it (using a > test > light). I have 12 volts + at the fuse box for the green wire. In between > the > fuse box and the voltage stabilizer it looks like there is a 5 branch > junction > for the green circuit. Where is this located in the car? My underdash > wiring > is a mess. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 07:30:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D522440450 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:30:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway14.websitewelcome.com (gateway14.websitewelcome.com [67.18.137.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356C4403CF for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id D4FB4CE2F25EF; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:28:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8513CE2F25B0 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:28:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VnUUD-00061v-GB; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:28:33 -0600 Received: from 192.246.38.1 ([192.246.38.1]) (proxying for 192.246.38.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:28:33 -0600 References: <1385959107.29769.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:28:33 -0600 From: "Lee Daniels" To: "William Brewer" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 TR6 Wiring Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This will help a lot: http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf‎ Lee > My gas gauge and temperature gauge don't work. I checked the voltage > stabilizer with the car running and there is no voltage to it (using a test > light). I have 12 volts + at the fuse box for the green wire. In between the > fuse box and the voltage stabilizer it looks like there is a 5 branch junction > for the green circuit. Where is this located in the car? My underdash wiring > is a mess. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 07:35:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12A342FE4 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:35:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [64.5.50.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A398A403CF for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 07:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C4142DAD2FD1; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:32:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0BADAD2F5A for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:32:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VnUYS-0004PJ-Dg; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:32:56 -0600 Received: from 192.246.38.1 ([192.246.38.1]) (proxying for 192.246.38.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:32:56 -0600 References: <1385959107.29769.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <84cbc6f7e9f5dac058fa70e2898811d8.squirrel@webmail.automate-it.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:32:56 -0600 From: "Lee Daniels" To: "Triumphs" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Cc: William Brewer Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 TR6 Wiring Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You probably figured it out, but the url got munged in my previous post. Correct one is: http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf Lee > This will help a lot: > http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf‎ > > Lee > > >> My gas gauge and temperature gauge don't work. I checked the voltage >> stabilizer with the car running and there is no voltage to it (using a test >> light). I have 12 volts + at the fuse box for the green wire. In between the >> fuse box and the voltage stabilizer it looks like there is a 5 branch >> junction >> for the green circuit. Where is this located in the car? My underdash wiring >> is a mess. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 08:48:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07DF4281B for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:48:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9401D403C7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:48:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c7f8f.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.127.143]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MX600G3RRT88DF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:46:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:46:18 -0500 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac7vdaQGOKPJIq8/RaOuXtvgGrIB6Q== Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >Innovation? It is just the male need to obtain more tools. A simple siphon and empty gas can would have gotten it out >without having to go out and buy more tools. Guys and their tools! Sounds like a case of "tool envy". Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 09:03:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD4842F85 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:03:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD8B403F7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:03:31 -0700 (MST) a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=x1SjZx2iGw8A:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=iRRDuIpxfTgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1xlS--hFu5cA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=Mf7ss_1-iVZJl65lsewA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:52026] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DF/A7-25023-5DEAC925; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:01:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 11:01:59 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <000901ceef75$a446ab70$ecd40250$@net> Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If there is one thing I have learned over the past 40 or more years of Triumph ownership, restoration, and maintenance is that things will be easier if you have the correct tool for the job. I am not saying more is better but when I had to tighten the steering wheel nut a few weeks ago, my old method of a channel lock would not fit the bill. The correct socket attached to my impact wrench was needed so a new socket was added to the collection. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 09:09:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6514051D for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:09:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB572403FC for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:09:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i4so13336986oah.36 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:07:27 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G06Lob9KLdRFEtnU8A6YQ4nt19F1Ns27xpMXZjWXV4A=; b=a+0nWIEmMqfPSiUWLSW52qZuiF2qB+AexgqXl5xRvBtGFybTn6/JvjEg/uSFcGVoiJ ga7DG2MkrqAvaEJuAUAs9mzYmCkodwnjuGHa1N8x+9Q5MZXpySJXBZAhvQOwlj5QS7rj YQ2PfKb4gjoNl1dO76PPq3aeToO0o6gT80/kyTSXI5u0SyznKlVm0j0u2ye04b2r6IZY ZiL7JfuHxYp9Y2JPe1wEgThOQBYFH65C5HmU7Kq8AJHxtr/dWVtpQOIxZGyoaPTJoYpH 8a2jUnB3WRdHet8jMDMo7Qp5GjW31gPl/tmxfqFffWZCvvl58qngVr+95PISbqJqxsWV q4yg== p10mr55019640oei.18.1386000446890; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s4sm33375065oei.7.2013.12.02.08.07.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 08:07:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 09:07:24 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <000901ceef75$a446ab70$ecd40250$@net> Subject: Re: [TR] Stupid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/2/13, 8:46 AM, Dennis Culligan wrote: > TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> Innovation? It is just the male need to obtain more tools. A simple > Guys and their tools! > > Sounds like a case of "tool envy". > I have a plastic toolbox for house specific tools. A second plastic toolbox for seldom needed car tools, such as a Myti-vac, the special tool for cleaning the overdrive screen and the special tool for tightening the main output shaft on the back of a Series Land Rover transfercase. The rest of my tools are kept in a surplus 30mm ammo case. They all fit in there with a couple shop rags to keep them from bouncing around. Well almost as the torque wrench and breaker bar are too long to fit in the box. When I go on long trips I just pop the ammo case in the vehicle of choice. No I'm not a tool collector and probably have more house remodeling tools than car tools since I've all but finished a house remodel. But I do have a nice collection of 20L, 10L and 5L NATO style jerrycans. TeriAnn 1960 Land Rover Dormobile 1961 Triumph TR3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 11:34:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D11042787 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 11:34:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407F14044D for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 11:34:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from vms170027pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MX600D3SZIC2EMS@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:32:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from 131.247.90.102 ([131.247.90.102]) by vms170027 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:32:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:32:36 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] CD of ST Newsletters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When you get the details - could you post to the list. Others might be interested. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 12/02/13, John Macartney wrote: info@tssc.org.uk wiII get you there and I recommend you mark the emaiI for the attention of Garth Jupp. I've mislaid his own email address Jonmac On Monday, 2 December 2013, 2:44, "suhringtr36@comcast.net" wrote: Could someone send me the contact information to purchase the CD that contains the Standard Triumph Newsletters? I thought I had my saved delete messages at unlimited by it was at 7 days. Thanks. > >Scott Suhring >Mechanicsburg, PA >'70 TR6 >'59 TR3A > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john@yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 17:11:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C891443092 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:11:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BD64307F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id wn1so13587851obc.19 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:08:43 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=JXr8o56/XKOexiYFJGr0yZ4bYMLM87lltwehjlKO0MY=; b=0RchjHihT/GaAyPxPCJsx7DVnZE4KLLmtUU0cUXcmcJBa0b2mTWaM6B6wSZVCh4M21 L2Q1iHyigHd5NlaNAIIxSXKCcrW5zjeR73OseQzVh+3fZ5Teo8h5Bm6ogS8QNGqlojHI QM65NUurA3y5s0pBeq3mOebEgSNSt4Z7KOIUa6PwSRms1pa8ML68epVnbyYGBHzVsEt5 uRa8BmQsz4QfqsWPgBUGmKcM03Oz2Nn2V6DpNe6tvwGxPd61dV1Op5pzTmba3o4VeCis FIb+kmcbHssZbKcB74yzuv9RQGZj4Sboz1buLqPOK6egyJyKjZzAjd8ZQXc6WKSkPz+9 z+5g== f7mr57187036obm.3.1386029323513; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm39197262oel.3.2013.12.02.16.08.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:08:34 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7vu8soYi8csqbZSpKABgGMp6ma/g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. I had the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. It is getting near impossible to find folks to rebuild without shipping. Considering the HVDA conversion with an 82-85 Celica gearbox. My question is how satisfied are folks who have done this conversion and how is the pedal feel with the hydraulic throw-out bearing? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 17:25:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB64430D5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:25:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995FC430B3 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:25:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131203002323.MFO21010.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:23:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([70.180.179.172]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id woPN1m00L3ja9Wm01oPNx4; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:23:23 -0500 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=3C0gNknddXsA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=m8yZXrT0cYzwP4ygm4EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net References: From: Jonas Payne Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:23:22 -0800 To: James Henningsen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I found the clutch on the conversion I drove to have very short pickup without much feel (sort of like flipping a switch). That said, the car drove and shifted very well Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:08 PM, "James Henningsen" wrote: > > My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. I had > the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. It is getting > near impossible to find folks to rebuild without shipping. Considering the > HVDA conversion with an 82-85 Celica gearbox. My question is how satisfied > are folks who have done this conversion and how is the pedal feel with the > hydraulic throw-out bearing? > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 18:20:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CE3430ED for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:20:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D7A42F03 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.91.159.adsl.snet.net [69.0.91.159]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2KJY-1VVAOg2l8e-00sOb9; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 20:17:53 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "James Henningsen" , References: <00ac01ceefbb$d5137cb0$7f3a7610$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:17:51 -0500 O1OBqo6Uq/MQtJVtDmVB/i8K62r6xANH5gODUDXYniETGfTXas HsaN8vhx/IrFARMRKNYV+Jq/ByryCPocNRE4/sDE2PxB7NDXbU KtrVBm0089zy3SvCXh7v1eLREhnystNwTEMP6anUzC9BSAth0J Tm8Yjb+M4SIKravdh83600TyAj1ZxLj/w+jNKQ4HCTJPIEQC02 EQxjjY6goAH1Oyg+uoNIvORJCVi6xrOdd9xvEXwCClhAu3qykZ kECh+5ExxlEGfjPT3dzbFNeLZKbApxi1AvPqYmaz1X2tnaKBRG w/3S+x3GCkIkjGz3zSoKE6yf/28XQ/ehgxE7atIKS Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going on 6 years with the HVDA conversion with an '83 Celica tranny and love it. The clutch feel is great..... not too heavy or too light and you can adjust the amount of throw and take up point.........within certain parameters. It's a true drop in kit with no mods needed. You can see my installation here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5Speed.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:08 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Gearbox Woes My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. I had the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. It is getting near impossible to find folks to rebuild without shipping. Considering the HVDA conversion with an 82-85 Celica gearbox. My question is how satisfied are folks who have done this conversion and how is the pedal feel with the hydraulic throw-out bearing? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 19:02:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91F942FFA for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:02:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139BB42F0C for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131203020008.OUCA24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:00:08 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id wq081m00Q19GmcH05q08r1; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:00:08 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=3C0gNknddXsA:10 a=uzZb3CRWut7Ss5xF0VYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:00:10 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00ac01ceefbb$d5137cb0$7f3a7610$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/2/2013 7:08 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. I had > the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. I'm a little confused... "J-type" implies overdrive, but you mention syncros, which aren't attached to the overdrive. I assume it only grinds when using the shift lever? And were the springs and balls checked for proper tension when the syncros were replaced? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 19:26:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396AA403F7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:26:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9D64006F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id wp18so13737822obc.2 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:24:02 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=RKppuzAu+3OttGAlOHnplevuzDGw2AzfGdH6X7I29M0=; b=WgotXwDeqHB8mCWPCMHsBeqQ0J7tWxZ/cCEyiACLl1Jg+XBmSZFK2sGHk6UK54KV2Q RqI5o6O3Gl/haYFrqkE0FtzACZL68g0nL1qHesIlhup2XAUTGvBQdDaWFBjHRV0p4un8 ohX9SI39e0tSs7q2MOEItFhbgY8qZe2d6tVu4epiuY5AgpleTJcyuvBZFxw54C1TqSCV CM5qgYBdaFTSNscK0B5LQVjY6PlqJJChPug1+iIG6OwziUoFjxaW0VSwggsZdxyfHrWj NJ5R19kgtq3fHsnAZYwpEOh5oR6qPzwQT2GoO04E6FC38YFF+ljnGogRBK5JRCe6GlkO 4v7g== Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hl3sm113266727obb.0.2013.12.02.18.24.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Jeff'" , References: <00ac01ceefbb$d5137cb0$7f3a7610$@gmail.com> <529D3B2A.5070009@charter.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:24:02 -0500 Thread-Index: AQMv9RJk3OrLKEBr4qWwXIfHIardqAGTfxiOl3MW18A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the posts to date. I just use the jtype od to describe my whole tranny. The OD works fine. I had heard that the forks could have been bent and that could cause a similar problem and that I could try a different top cover, which I have to see if that works. Just hadn't gotten around to it. jim -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 9:00 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes On 12/2/2013 7:08 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. > I had the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. I'm a little confused... "J-type" implies overdrive, but you mention syncros, which aren't attached to the overdrive. I assume it only grinds when using the shift lever? And were the springs and balls checked for proper tension when the syncros were replaced? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 20:03:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF999403B1 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:03:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4C0403A6 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:03:30 -0700 (MST) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=3C0gNknddXsA:10 a=8tbv9hagITjGXCyA4IwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:64510] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 90/E4-07327-2894D925; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 03:01:22 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <00ac01ceefbb$d5137cb0$7f3a7610$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:01:21 -0800 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac7vu8soYi8csqbZSpKABgGMp6ma/gAFsTKQ Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Love my HVDA conversion. Clutch feels a little softer but not by much. I put in Goodpart's Nissan differential too so the drive shaft is fixed and doesn't slide, otherwise it's a bolt-in. Johnnie 67 TR4A-IRS > > My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. I > had the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. It is > getting near impossible to find folks to rebuild without shipping. > Considering the HVDA conversion with an 82-85 Celica gearbox. My > question is how satisfied are folks who have done this conversion and > how is the pedal feel with the hydraulic throw-out bearing? > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 07:37:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F97D4043F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:37:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695C740414 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB351048EA; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3NbFEFtsi1uP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zora (unknown [184.18.168.182]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3F38A23B28; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:35:00 +0000 (UTC) From: "Triumph" To: "James Henningsen" , References: <00ac01ceefbb$d5137cb0$7f3a7610$@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:35:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been using the Eagle Gate transmission conversion kit from http://www.eaglegatellc.com for almost 2 years now and it works great. The clutch remains the same as stock as the new bell housing is configured the same as the stock Triumph is. It is also cheaper as there is nothing else to buy. $1300 plus shipping. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77@frontier.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Henningsen" Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:08 PM To: Subject: [TR] Gearbox Woes > My J-type in the TR6 is grinding above 4000 rpm in second and third. I had > the German syncros put in to fix the problem, but it didn't. It is getting > near impossible to find folks to rebuild without shipping. Considering the > HVDA conversion with an 82-85 Celica gearbox. My question is how satisfied > are folks who have done this conversion and how is the pedal feel with the > hydraulic throw-out bearing? > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6886 - Release Date: 12/02/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 13:54:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE14A4051D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:54:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67F1E4043F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 20:52:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 20:52:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2013 20:52:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386103943; bh=HXqi/aRaSFjDuwt+PPyBQwhTg81ONmFKTz8vY1NmqeI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=H8EaLUbUkCLezfjOs3zj1pbwyvFErkq+sTceKLtpxnX2KyHZxyIFnR/DEnYmQBpR5MLr6uiJRvD1VyFect3p8X1n4xDG7MKoXqft0OMEdHjAeWrRrWNZTDqeGZLuaX7ESamFrBb9/5KNO4maraKMVqDLcBJ5frtQPvTGvYUkNgQ= R5TVwhCIy.2vTpr0ebbg9n2uSsc4uZ1t49AyXUirj_Rw2t8IQKNhCNnAN.dw FSvIhEf0GhFZUpcpAmViYoMORAMs7744VQ2LMaz178C95mOh1sseQ6Ap4M_L 8USce9WZ9nEbP4bMRMEqSuvPveuaZGCFSHnVBAnwFoKV6xDY5QR8YohybVDv f38eYJYzO_IexDKbQ3oVrbomBYp.5_JHdew42lZvxlPe5UfS258WxkwxtarQ JuK7VrQyoKAO5tLjZ6kLvIcZlwJbitZtflpnWwLNPl76DZiQkKxdF_TZbMkr 2jIx30Tr8j__3243IbE.Sw3k6A4_4WyjKi98ESdsuiHjbpVzQ38PNokml.DJ S_M4fLPusSZ6iHzv63LtmiD8cLuvkIyQ1rXj.KKky9bEprF9_nT_mQQaPsSX e3hKcXWiNGS1jVaMfIJ1X3qP0rsoQSIypW8tIZX4in5fpQu4zKwE0gJaUepX 1AE0WEzO.uQIOrj5Nw6aWT6s.NI8uj0eekMmcoxt8gvl36aQjARZduLIVVhR EhApOv_EpjeoYe4ZeiHvc8w46tl1YYucOPX5oELIImjb7l.ieCwh3BIS.vma t7F1Ln8TTqA0ryYUV9nMetpP243JAnvWYAJ3mJV7ChxAgQe6.BG3kJkGX5Pj FeDR.EwOK4Qt5SnnSTJPTNJZCzIJiAvQobI5evnAlTIP.CovuLDd2mr70H5t iLcCVM0TTnA-- smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Dec 2013 20:52:23 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:52:17 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7waYoJ3xsN6kE7QmuMwX9uCtBYAA== Subject: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an individual in Europe interested in purchasing my TR3. What is the collective wisdom to make this transaction safe for both he & I? His concern of course is that the car is everything that I say it is in appearance and mechanically. I have sent many pictures and feel he is close to making a decision but not 100% sure. Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. BTW, I would love for the car to stay in the US (hint, hint) http://abilene.craigslist.org/cto/4205450858.html Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 14:14:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3349340551 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:14:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E69E40432 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id c14so10956711vea.37 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HIafV3JimsKkuU+YTZZGmxsWASuoT5kiDtJZaq/OKLY=; b=ttSIzTS9U1XJUfl0tNxDsCistugbFGbZ2ykyLnxz910aStx+xj1TefJwQCYGjSP31M 1/gy1N3rifnLtTZT6BAXh4uDZYlvGsaRqMNQNfygyaWTQyTKLpnnNgHInYpaVOJ4oZuA J2nF4HHyCpFkMDQRff/tdVfMTqdhb2loteap95iovj7t3i7WUkSSrQAvUA0YYeTQwShD rACJf+LiWR8aq3rwo8RvylQF8N5t3poPZol1/Vas8IYPiJFAwXNV3v3lOwhZniCi2jc8 Ype8tjP2F5+FJiYwmgqkE+5rG+xd4T41StmtSNcJ7Der/Q2XWvYeuBnXAqHg8T/kQhXN 861g== yn5mr5319694vdb.26.1386105080374; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.74.168 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) References: <5318743474DA498282908B3FD54458B2@bboffice> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:11:20 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bill_Beecher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill - I have been on the other end of this on two occasions... buying British cars sight-unseen. Both outcomes were excellent but it is not an approach for the faint of heart. If the potential buyer speaks good English then long phone conversation may help put him at ease and lend credibility to all you say. An offer to provide close-up detailed photos of any areas of concern may be helpful if you have not already done that. A third-party inspection could be useful though he may not be in a position to arrange this and having you set up the inspection might compromise its impartiality. You could send him a link to your 420 emails in the list archives: The Best of Bill so he can see what you were asking about and sweating over in the past vis a vis this car (and also get a sense of you & how you operate). Sorry to see it go -- hope there is a German/Dutch/French word for Tarbaby that he can use. Geo On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > I have an individual in Europe interested in purchasing my TR3. What is > the > collective wisdom to make this transaction safe for both he & I? His > concern of course is that the car is everything that I say it > is in appearance and mechanically. I have sent many pictures and feel he > is close to making a decision but not 100% sure. > > Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. > > BTW, I would love for the car to stay in the US (hint, hint) > http://abilene.craigslist.org/cto/4205450858.html > > > Thanks, > Bill > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:21:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E827D4295A for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:21:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908F40522 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:20:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131203231827.LOKT10448.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:18:27 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id xBJS1m00e19GmcH05BJTJw; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:18:27 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Kj2-Arfn-c4A:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=fRp_M-2zD3troSS9RkIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=0X2S6iCgV28dMQSA:21 a=JlR4SggTLhHroCff:21 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:18:29 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <5318743474DA498282908B3FD54458B2@bboffice> Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/3/2013 3:52 PM, bill_beecher@flash.net wrote: > Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. I sold a rusty old VW Campmobile to a guy in the UK. Plenty of pictures, a couple of phone conversations, and some more pictures, and he was happy. He sent the money first (via PayPal), and then arranged to have the car picked up. It dawned on me at that point that he sent money without any positive proof that the car even existed...except my word for it. So, there is an element of trust on the part of both the buyer and the seller. But my experience was as smooth as can be. the suggestion to point to your online history is a great one...should help ease the buyer's mind. (And I sold that old VW for enough to buy a nice TR6!) Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 16:24:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2C442A58 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:24:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C45940522 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:24:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131203232209.DSWM24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:22:09 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id xBN91m00519GmcH05BN9qz; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:22:09 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=3C0gNknddXsA:10 a=9PXhqiZwDX14MOaBpGgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=jtdVMM76NDgA:10 a=wSw1B9xiPsgA:10 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:22:11 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00ac01ceefbb$d5137cb0$7f3a7610$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Gearbox Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/3/2013 9:35 AM, Triumph wrote: > The > clutch remains the same as stock as the new bell housing is configured the > same as the stock Triumph is. It is also cheaper as there is nothing else to > buy. Except the transmission? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 23:31:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7C242787 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 23:31:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A672540453 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 23:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xJFF1m0030x6nqcADJUxgU; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 06:28:57 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xJUx1m0092yr1eL8YJUxbv; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 06:28:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 06:28:57 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: bill beecher s=q20121106; t=1386138537; bh=KYNPB4hLo4MgXT4ctoXT7TQzQmmAxLCbbKakiIdkYNc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=TfROQuSkFeKLRnu2iFESMkG6c7OdbmEvzZIXfx4amGJa1msvreR1xsF6kgg6oqwpD UVKMNz8w5HKXuvCqtgJsp1/RQEV5r8IArcdlFAuNVOgOV3v8m3bSbwqZ1tUhCdMH3I uutsdCCF6QD9YBg8bVLdwc2U/a51oNhoKnUaBEZEEd2MBu4Nxc7pyeCddewXSfoaw8 KfHkX/7Dvd5X2uRlhD49qVj1mXc2a7gcPWSMxzfFLF9mQlVBoJ+K414qZ4jyPbuoxG eayH/ydPHxxromOkpLnFMCvFoJRsBrKkjiS6fCRa2sc9WnB9nTK3inhNkX7Oa7n4dq cnrfjFFvSzRLw== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You already know how I handled my Lotus purchase, but Europe is a whole nother kettle of fish. I know how cashier checks work here in the USA, and I know how not to be afraid of them, but internationally moving money is something totally (pardon the pun) foreign to me. If your buyer is reading this, I will attest to the high quality of the work you have done to the car, having seen it before and after. There is a probably a well-known car-inspection outfit in your part of Texas. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill beecher" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:52:17 PM > Subject: [TR] Overseas TR Sale > I have an individual in Europe interested in purchasing my TR3. What > is the > collective wisdom to make this transaction safe for both he & I? His > concern of course is that the car is everything that I say it > is in appearance and mechanically. I have sent many pictures and feel > he > is close to making a decision but not 100% sure. > > Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. > > BTW, I would love for the car to stay in the US (hint, hint) > http://abilene.craigslist.org/cto/4205450858.html > > > Thanks, > Bill > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 3 23:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D5E40548 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 23:53:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 12B4C40413 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 23:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2013 06:51:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2013 06:50:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2013 06:50:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386139859; bh=Y4x6c+eqQCrz5T91uUKMVWJJH9XDjPUKLrocU2OEErc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=X2NzcTGiSuCMDy6/v8HxjjYLlxLJ7zrtpDebYeOaBCTZJ//DVsRQ1qAF/0xzsN8+6P/zMpPhnnsUnTJ1CEfScmQUMLEFcxjZXV5LwFVb8wf3ioTUmi2IujV/L49TbInKhqFh/iTF3LkURQr6+kBt5+JbgweJjjvfYgK49yhrCNE= cPxU.ZQ8UIAmEuOJ3407Zaoolv5MD3RQsQ7hsU.OJsTOtajeFQnmWkasCLTF yBN0qOfzkwi7T5yPOmpCNgltY4b_PHDOg4O33T05ijlA5R6lLAF1u8mpa.qT 8vGefMT_P4QiMb_VMWihuqXATe122CJA2GKsowoOV3kPVx.IGJBviGlzqb0G F.W2.iSaX398mdKU2GF9hwOcVbOVf35LwvaPRsEVsEbdTADAI6_fCl3T3_m1 tmjGz1uZ9W2093WUQNhhpujlbZAVXoSkIQTukIKFyo3B4Xm6uNhszNAwNe92 6.hUHGqndxsJ3JRSDW7pAKTHtTHNJXVF9E8uOCd3pfvOENONljCUn0naNTju K6Fk_OrP9oe8UShRa8kYj1rw30FimE6QfsDC2utWCEN.YkO7M9EyyypqiWEm uW12hNQYcEqLP6H5BJRM18m5WJT.Vu_z.MaOuXSX4UBJgM84W4zzkT8PbPxV yuxw.YC2_foP5lHkoQILdHTNZJlp0d6WzoPTe3WbQUAEJg0d4xNwd.thWUMi CHTVpqSWdiXhr9wWVozfN5yeyAaxaSNFXBmIoxuhbm.LYyO910iAmSnYU2wI QpEEUCczYBfiOeq9YyC7ho3CfzzZ4qsazU_bA0T1XRMvjqM.QjYb61mNat5r q.SyTP4uMoBpQNKq6ut375QmZQHuByr5iwPqs5NuUAWYcTWnQuGOGypnXCt. HJb2LCB4uTr3nZmh8XitYGTAb.tEKFRdtsolv2EUdcEKijTvs_mqQPjsYAxp RFge942fWxg2frOpt2pJrRMVWT1CcOux5OaBCmzK16CLrfL2lBAp1NpcYjeY H1Ew0WxbQBhiVmiwyaFdQu8aNP3XhBER3ALTvk6kvSXnhIAq9.kKcJGHw7Jj 7rgkmcLuk4yUT6GEzpztFpZbqa_AGjmR.RE6N61K3a4s8lByP smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Dec 2013 06:50:59 +0000 UTC From: To: References: <5318743474DA498282908B3FD54458B2@bboffice> <852671651.615306.1386138537465.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 00:51:26 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7wuh2CaZ/+X4N9QG2P4gYxAi55MAAAck5g Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you Phil for your kind endorsement. Nobody within 150 miles to do an independent inspection, oddly the prospective buyer has not brought that up. Of course he has seen many before and after pictures. I consulted a friend this afternoon who has sold cars into England and he states that he was always paid up front via wire transfer, which is best for everyone's record keeping. Have not closed the sale as yet, but getting close. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On -----Original Message----- From: pethier@comcast.net [mailto:pethier@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:29 AM To: bill beecher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale You already know how I handled my Lotus purchase, but Europe is a whole nother kettle of fish. I know how cashier checks work here in the USA, and I know how not to be afraid of them, but internationally moving money is something totally (pardon the pun) foreign to me. If your buyer is reading this, I will attest to the high quality of the work you have done to the car, having seen it before and after. There is a probably a well-known car-inspection outfit in your part of Texas. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill beecher" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:52:17 PM > Subject: [TR] Overseas TR Sale > I have an individual in Europe interested in purchasing my TR3. What > is the collective wisdom to make this transaction safe for both he & > I? His concern of course is that the car is everything that I say it > is in appearance and mechanically. I have sent many pictures and feel > he is close to making a decision but not 100% sure. > > Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. > > BTW, I would love for the car to stay in the US (hint, hint) > http://abilene.craigslist.org/cto/4205450858.html > > > Thanks, > Bill > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 4 13:46:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D3942798 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:46:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7D940525 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C4B78701A4B59 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.9]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8FC5BE00008A for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Alan Myers Received: from 74.95.11.209 by webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:44:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386189844; bh=FtwfElpVGUkCTo1Y1OIk5IWWmUR9NYv/a78A7uNdLWQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UkFc+YKKx2PZ3HNIAHJeOn5a6KAaVU8KAmvD4Pv5SvGPlVbdoe6y8D2uyRql9IyeK /sp2eL/mOdgRZhVxeYY5ZmGlT/jMkx4aGhH3lzZCyvX8XjDelVmuq/MdFcCxnrsups kTIlPhXxbivWRw18+RD6PRRuwbKyK6puSmw0glKs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c529f9414138d Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, You might want to look into an escrow service. Just be sure it's a good one with a solid track record. An escrow service accepts the buyer's money and holds it until the seller ships the item, the buyer has received and inspected it to their satisfaction, at which time they release the money to the seller. It's a safer transaction for all involved. Ask around for recommendations of one to handle international transactions. Beware! Last time I checked, cashier checks and money orders can be particularly risky internationally... They can take up to a month to clear (usually clear in a few days when drawn on a local bank) so fakes are often used in scams... You don't find out the int'l cashiers check or money order is no good until weeks after you have shipped the item. Then you are out both the car (or whatever you sold) and the cost of shipping as your bank will deduct from your account. There is virtually no recourse because the scammers move on quickly with new identities. This scam especially targets high ticket items such as automobiles on Craigslist. Beware particularly of "buyers" who send a check or money order for more than the originally agreed sale price and shipping costs, and ask you to refund any remainder. They are trying to get some of your money, too, on top of everything else. If handled directly (not thru an escrow service), I'd recommend a wire transfer instead.... as the funds are immediately moved into your account and your bank can verify quickly for you. Wire transfer might be called something else internationally. There are several terms for it here in the U.S., too. This method protects you, but not the buyer. You might check with your bank. It's possible that they can suggest something even better. At the very least will have the latest info (my info is some years out of date!) If a would-be buyer won't agree to an escrow or direct wire transfer or some other means your bank recommends, run away quickly! Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1@aol.com '62 TR4 CT17602L http://www.triumphowners.com/640 2009 Triumphest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amfoto1/sets/7215762667367728 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:52:17 -0600 From: To: "'Triumphs'" Subject: [TR] Overseas TR Sale I have an individual in Europe interested in purchasing my TR3. What is thecollective wisdom to make this transaction safe for both he & I? Hisconcern of course is that the car is everything that I say it is in appearance and mechanically. I have sent many pictures and feel heis close to making a decision but not 100% sure. Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. BTW, I would love for the car to stay in the US (hint, hint) Thanks,Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 4 14:34:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24068429A2 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:34:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769F0403F5 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:34:32 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=YTHtZiAxaJsA:10 a=nhVEQYUhrNQA:10 a=I_5RNyk1AAAA:8 a=fD3qm9B1FN8A:10 a=EgRlSwmEpWJVHJIQSIsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9GNWx1qYrRSoNM39JPwA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=AqImDf71jpPi9cB0:21 a=OGszS3ol1IlPkFvtipSdvA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.mail=asg123@centurylink.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com header.from=asg123@centurylink.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com: 10.40.66.1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of centurylink.net) Received: from [10.40.66.1] ([10.40.66.1:45254] helo=md42.agate.dfw.synacor.com) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id 49/57-15884-06F9F925; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 16:32:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: "ARNOLD " To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 1966 TR4A Front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To those in the know. It has come to time to rebuild or replace my TR4A's front suspension. Looking at the big 3 came up with a new steering rack from VB that would cost me less than my parts and labor to rebuild. Have not done much business with them in the past 15 years or so. They will give out little information about origin of the rack or much else. So if anyone has used this rack, part # 5-5947, or the quick turn rack I would like to solicit your opinions. Also will be replacing shocks and " Autoplicity " seems to have good prices on the Koni shocks for are cars. Has anyone had any experience with Autoplicity ? I remain on the digest. Thanks for any help. My current email is asg123@ centurylink .net Arnold Gilmour ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 4 15:02:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EE040525 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:02:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FBA403F5 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.248.183.18]) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id xZyj1m00D0QDv9001ZykQc; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:58:45 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <8D0BF48B44997EF-A5C-AAB8@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:58:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net just remember, if they have enough info to make a deposit, they have enough info to remove money. set up a separate account for this. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Myers Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Hi Bill, You might want to look into an escrow service. Just be sure it's a good one with a solid track record. An escrow service accepts the buyer's money and holds it until the seller ships the item, the buyer has received and inspected it to their satisfaction, at which time they release the money to the seller. It's a safer transaction for all involved. Ask around for recommendations of one to handle international transactions. Beware! Last time I checked, cashier checks and money orders can be particularly risky internationally... They can take up to a month to clear (usually clear in a few days when drawn on a local bank) so fakes are often used in scams... You don't find out the int'l cashiers check or money order is no good until weeks after you have shipped the item. Then you are out both the car (or whatever you sold) and the cost of shipping as your bank will deduct from your account. There is virtually no recourse because the scammers move on quickly with new identities. This scam especially targets high ticket items such as automobiles on Craigslist. Beware particularly of "buyers" who send a check or money order for more than the originally agreed sale price and shipping costs, and ask you to refund any remainder. They are trying to get some of your money, too, on top of everything else. If handled directly (not thru an escrow service), I'd recommend a wire transfer instead.... as the funds are immediately moved into your account and your bank can verify quickly for you. Wire transfer might be called something else internationally. There are several terms for it here in the U.S., too. This method protects you, but not the buyer. You might check with your bank. It's possible that they can suggest something even better. At the very least will have the latest info (my info is some years out of date!) If a would-be buyer won't agree to an escrow or direct wire transfer or some other means your bank recommends, run away quickly! Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1@aol.com '62 TR4 CT17602L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 4 15:55:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C6A40551 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:55:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26314003A for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 15:55:07 -0700 (MST) s=MDaemon; t=1386197565; x=1386802365; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=A+M2+e0okSo0ID4KDv87Vaa4+Z9g/X0JzhcPayUuyh8=; b=BLI XMoh/F07nd1fwvsRt4X4zThiI1GhkzGNddsbm3BIe+3PcG2vC/TWocqQJwJ1EFkh Z0usQllhHPIEry0hdEZ5OgO3eb4JfnPn7oN6Qrsvyn5F6Q+k8DAg4SRvBn2q3Y7l 2bfNpD7Ekl4AdUWGxuIW8+LV1aesqFWIDpQ7PFdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=QGnsEiCynaZ3MFMURExrR7lVevTlMb8Ksofk72qypniUsBo44NJqYuGdA3C4 m/3/G+muq4hCO+FYZBWIGd9ljhVJ4GMbTbc5sswt5xTrQmG1oo2iqYMbK 0p+QemH0VIXnBWdP/dSMkkAIYxR91Ja5oDdQ/9RQfZkB3PVqI2oby8=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 29-md50000145835.msg for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:52:44 -0500 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:57:00 -0500 From: Mark Hooper To: "'bill_beecher@flash.net'" , 'Triumphs' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: Re: [TR] Overseas TR Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a government-licensed inspection site in your area? He could speak to them and schedule an inspection with the report sent directly to him. For payment; only a direct wire transfer is unlikely to rebound due to fraud at a later date. Lately banks are putting holds on every possible type of paper document due to overseas difficulties. Someone mentioned an escrow service earlier. That sounds reasonable, but I have never used one. Best luck, Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill_beecher@flash.net Sent: December-03-13 3:52 PM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] Overseas TR Sale I have an individual in Europe interested in purchasing my TR3. What is the collective wisdom to make this transaction safe for both he & I? His concern of course is that the car is everything that I say it is in appearance and mechanically. I have sent many pictures and feel he is close to making a decision but not 100% sure. Would love to hear from someone who has BTDT. BTW, I would love for the car to stay in the US (hint, hint) http://abilene.craigslist.org/cto/4205450858.html Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 5 14:29:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB4B43096 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:29:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CC843023 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([unknown] [74.96.91.192]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXC0057CO3YTTJD@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 14:11:59 -0600 (CST) References: From: Martin Secrest Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:11:55 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Spitfire Rear Drum Backing Plate: Removing? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to remove a late Spitfire left rear drum backing plate. It's the plate on which the brake pads sit; four half-inch bolt heads, each with two locking tabs. It is possible only to get an open box wrench on these bolts, and they are not moving, probably rusted. Any tricks or hints to get them out, or am I missing something? I have to take off the backing plates because I am converting this halfshaft to GT6 brake drum, which is larger. Thanks. Martin Secrest 73 GT6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 06:57:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BB843032 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 06:57:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A5442F76 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 06:20:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yDBA1m00C1ap0As5FDJLmH; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 13:18:20 +0000 Received: from sz0135.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yDJL1m00k2xV5no3iDJLMs; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 13:18:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:18:20 +0000 (UTC) From: spamiam@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1386335900; bh=yCfnH7ynO2I4bBqrVUvwRE08sFZemldZzpofz9HGhhw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Dj0lM9FdKecBv/3mi7C3EZeQI7hLfbm4sk7T6eVs7R/elM/AGfBItGmFEEXkNTeXH RwUciD23cLr7eJZLyf64R7nLUotkplaFJucMmEuS/4dxLC2vwmtPBu5otBxJhk4ub9 ItigyaafnOyC8xakFwcoLcEe53k7xnjC6cjXPt9SupcBdzHNODhDzv9RkaW4Vffog7 qbUq9/u+ui7HVGgKxv4+Qd6KWfu5U4ox7aiJCxEethf/bPpId3ZbVdxsKZOg9c3+pz jS4pjUE8Fj3pelEYMv8wQ9eyIyDdaF5xGQCtUcnwCxDm23Gq32LWKkvdInt2dA9vIY BZRyV9Ju0w1cw== Subject: [TR] anyone have a 7 degree ball joint taper reamer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a slightly damaged female taper on my TR7's front strut ball joint. The retaining nut seems to not have been properly torqued down many miles (5000?) ago (by a mechanic, not by me!). I found the taper joint was loose when I started to disassemble the suspension to upgrade the springs and shocks. The female taper fitting LOOKS fine, but there was shiny metal at the top edge and bottom edge of the female taper, and slightly rusty looking metal in the center. I test fitted a new ball joint with just hand twisting of the taper, and it seemed to seat securely, but maybe not with as wide an interference area as normal based on removal of magic marker that I put on the female taper surface . So, I think I need to clean up the taper just a little... a couple of thou. I think a hand reamer would do the job. By my measurements of the new tapered stud, the taper is a 1.5 inch (7.15 degree), which is probably the most common taper. New reamers cost about $100. It is hard for me to spend that $ on a tool I am likely to use once, for about 5 minutes. Does anyone have one I can borrow? -Tony ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 12:35:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E658F430AA for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:35:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC63E43125 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id yKWY1m0022QmmGk01KWYRf; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:30:33 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:26:48 -0600 Subject: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net anyone know anything about garage door openers? mine works some of the time. the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then it closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an urgent issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 12:37:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB3B4316A for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:37:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D23443062 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MXE0004RH1KSL50@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 13:34:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.255.78.115 ([96.255.78.115]) by vznit170184 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 13:34:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 13:34:32 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would adjust the sensors if so equipped. You may have hit one and not even know it. Next, adjust tension of door, it is adjustable per your manual. You opener also has an adjustment. If that fails, get a garage door tuneup, be sure to use some coupon. Craig 72 TR6 On 12/06/13, Dave wrote: anyone know anything about garage door openers? mine works some of the time. the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then it closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an urgent issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.nett ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 13:27:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1214301B for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:27:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322C04304C for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:57:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11149A0387 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:55:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:55:30 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave wrote: > doesnb't > seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly I'm a mechanic > > > I always let a pro work on the door if it involves the springs. Those things are dangerous! mjb. ps: I think there was a discussion on this in the shop-talk list. You may want to check the archives. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 14:45:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8AE4306B for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:45:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1blp0186.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B27F4003A for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLUPRD0210HT002.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.255.122.37) by CO1PR02MB063.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.163.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.825.14; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:27:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.254.1] (50.96.18.229) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.122.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.383.1; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:27:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:27:00 -0500 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Dave , 'Triumph Mail List' References: SFS:(377454003)(24454002)(479174003)(189002)(199002)(51704005)(51856001)(81686001)(65956001)(47446002)(74502001)(65806001)(74706001)(64126003)(74876001)(69226001)(81342001)(81542001)(83506001)(71186001)(59766001)(56816005)(66066001)(80022001)(74366001)(77982001)(81816001)(36756003)(49866001)(84326002)(90146001)(47736001)(54356001)(76482001)(83072001)(63696002)(74662001)(43066001)(512934002)(4396001)(46102001)(85306002)(80976001)(76786001)(54316002)(56776001)(19580405001)(76796001)(33656001)(80316001)(87936001)(75432001)(79102001)(59896001)(50986001)(47976001)(83322001)(85852002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1PR02MB063; H:BLUPRD0210HT002.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:50.96.18.229; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:; Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Not knowing your brand, mine are Liftmasters... Does the light blink when it stops too soon. I'm sure you know if it does, something obstructed it. Mine has an adjustment screw that accommodates up and down "resistance" . It is up on the unit under a cover panel. I've had to adjust mine a couple of times over about 15 years.. Googel thsi term "garage door opener troubleshooting" and you'll get lost of hits. Let me know how it goes. Doug If you do not have a manual, you gan find one online. On 12/6/2013 2:26 PM, Dave wrote: > anyone know anything about garage door openers? > > mine works some of the time. > > the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then it > closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an urgent > issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. > > does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt > seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic > -- p.s. I do not use a smart phone so if you email me and do not get a quick response it is not because I am ignoring you. Just not at a computer. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 14:49:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE72A43096 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:49:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CC140524 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131206202743.FKIY2550.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:27:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([70.180.179.172]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id yLTi1m0093ja9Wm01LTjQq; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:27:43 -0500 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Ulnt8xJy-nMA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=OskzMK1rc529Ybl-ta0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=GyQ8yc7nq/dHOpS9lhP82Q==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net References: From: Jonas Payne Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 12:27:42 -0800 To: Dave Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sound like your "limit" screws need adjusting. Somewhere on the opener you will see 2 dials or screws, one for up, one for down. You can adjust the power for the travel up or down. They are a safety feature, you want enough power to open/ close the door bot not enough to crush kids Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2013, at 11:26 AM, "Dave" wrote: > > anyone know anything about garage door openers? > > mine works some of the time. > > the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then it > closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an urgent > issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. > > does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt > seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 14:50:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDA243207 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:50:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCECB40524 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:45:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131206200413.YFOO18907.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:04:13 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.99.81.230]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id yL4D1m00F4y9KJU01L4Ds1; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:04:13 -0500 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Ulnt8xJy-nMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=22JDTkOKYcZ_MQLqibwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=3mEcGzTTa63bDUps:21 a=nw5NX00MzdGmYvxl:21 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Dave'" , References: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:04:35 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7yufcrONW3mI5pR7SvWyzFedv3xgABAgBw Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Get yourself a spray can of silicon lubricant and spray all the rollers and tracks. If it is a worm-gear type (rather than a chain drive), spray a little on the gear. See if that helps. This time of year when the weather turns cooler, the things start to bind, especially when they have been lubricated with a grease that hardens when it gets cold. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] very off topic anyone know anything about garage door openers? mine works some of the time. the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then it closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an urgent issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 15:41:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A70434E5 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:41:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A4F42F16 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B527170185424 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.13]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B8D8FE00008C for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386363573; bh=XZrBxkvjjXx6KLc44lEJ3z7r6Ku2CMpqN9r7jW1Wi1o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HN2BNtHj21nRGQ5MRu9j7zCy4r5jqB9ZqUBm09E+xv8bC6d26qTBQSNX24EBvrNZP J4DrbcAWhpDSWbQOaguFqWSWEh8BJB8+Xo5FHICoZoG869a1IZuyQsUi2INpoD6Yb7 mJWH2/eeYShcI1SPHRfSK8HXw4WVE6ispm0dS8qc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c852a23ab40232 Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Most, if not all, openers have a spring loaded limit switch that will shut the system down if there is a hang-up. I suspect that it is responding to an increasing stiffness in the system. It may be, as you say, in need of grease. Or maybe the spring adjustment has backed off a bit. I'd start there. If the door is opening easily then it probably is the opener. Dave In a message dated 12/6/2013 1:31:23 PM Central Standard Time, dave@ranteer.com writes: > anyone know anything about garage door openers? > > mine works some of the time. > > the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then > it > closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an > urgent > issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. > > does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt > seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 20:51:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE214338D for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:51:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B95F43092 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131207023842.SBYP4590.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 21:38:42 -0500 Received: from RonnieBabbitt ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id ySeh1m00J4KlQ4L01Sehkd; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:38:42 -0500 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=6NZZjKyG7YYA:10 a=wO30knghLel2jhthPuIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vMyOK6Srp8A:10 a=DxseDMluPWMA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=OpOwFhSJjPKUHKJ4NZIA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: "ronnie babbitt" To: "triumphs2 TRlist " Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 21:38:30 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7y9HZ7Mk/KoAeEQEi6nKr/TWCAZg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is what I have Wires Yellow/Green Yellow/purple Brown White I have 2 different relays both say they are 6RA the original looking one has double C1 single C2 single W1 the newer 6RA relay has the same configuration but one addition terminal it looks like it is labeled WC can someone tell me which wires goes to the correct terminals ronnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 6 22:48:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF34B4306B for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:48:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0214304C for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 21:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [71.173.137.213]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXF00N746XG1830@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 22:53:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom Note" To: "Dave" , References: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 23:53:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, i just went through this, with similar symptoms. If adjusting theforce/limit screws doesn't help, remove the rear cover if you can . I found that the plastic(!) drive gears in mine were essentially devoid of teeth. Hope it's just an adjustment in your case. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: [TR] very off topic > anyone know anything about garage door openers? > > mine works some of the time. > > the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again then > it > closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an > urgent > issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. > > does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? doesnbt > seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a mechanic > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 01:25:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554F64304B for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 01:25:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA504296E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 00:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131207072748262.ENUN7872@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:27:48 +0000 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=Tl2mIlta1NcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=vkPCJO3Jp6cA:10 a=FIDxPFHJYBOrPfhskdoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 22/29-11872-B7DC2A25; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 07:25:48 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'ronnie babbitt'" , "'triumphs2 TRlist '" Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 23:25:45 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7y9HZ7Mk/KoAeEQEi6nKr/TWCAZgAJx4Gw Subject: Re: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have 2 different relays both say they are 6RA the original > looking one > has > > double C1 > > single C2 > > single W1 Look again, Ronnie. I think you will find that there is a W2 as well as a W1. 6RA relays did come in various configurations, but the original OD relay should have had C1-C2-W1-W2. If not, you are going to need to do some detective work to find out how it is actually wired inside. Use an ohmmeter to find a pair of terminals that shows around 10-15 ohms resistance. Those terminals are W1 & W2 (doesn't actually matter which is which). Double check that there is no continuity (infinite resistance) between the other pair of terminals. I would also take the next step of applying 12v across the W1 & W2 terminals, and check that the other pair of terminals go to zero (or nearly zero) ohms. White - W1 Brown - C1 YG - W2 YP - C2 If the coil is grounded to the case (as your terminal numbers would seem to indicate), then you'll need to look for a different relay. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 08:11:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3482E4307E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:11:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E0E42EF8 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id c14so2084630vea.9 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 06:10:02 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=El6A39ok7Xa3/NRDjmkUz6zT6y02+d+UtSQtvVgkP8M=; b=h2HI2LZyduIBffQ229ttGGb/ddkwwQ2fQqURSbFElMTi7cWrFi7JDdbx+LGhia5iPx l/sBP1XTAllJhb0lBWe6byTB4FhnWuWdSvMJTdSe2vWP1mpsZRh2fY9pjdXR0jS2cLPh VaMmt15wDJZDTAIFFMpAyRzypw7Ruy7+E4eCt92y4l3LcJRGypA/E5YEYe0aszARLWAh +dW39dx8PZexCVY9qYlGKgCSJbQrH+tcAPJ/Aex4UC3P5UkUhdLKwNIJ4LwMPanidgFv vx0NpG973DWc/K6WNm94lAD0o3kypif1Rogb4mQD4YW80MePcW8QuXttnY5VGvj9/CfS CUGg== o1mr125220vcz.46.1386425402251; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 06:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.252.131 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 06:10:02 -0800 (PST) References: <001201cef2f5$6a769a30$3f63ce90$@cox.net> <22.29.11872.B7DC2A25@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:10:02 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: ronnie babbitt Cc: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: Re: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ronnie -- Here's a diagram... http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/ODWiring_zps865632f9.jpg As Randall notes, there are 3-terminal relays in the world -- I use one on my brake lights but that works because I am controlling power. As you can see in the diagram OD switch controls the ground side of the equation. If interested I have versions of that diagram wherein I have added the diode suggested (elsewhere) by Randall. I also added a fuse and indicator light but all this can come later after you have the thing working. Geo On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Randall wrote: > > I have 2 different relays both say they are 6RA the original > > looking one > > has > > > > double C1 > > > > single C2 > > > > single W1 > > Look again, Ronnie. I think you will find that there is a W2 as well as a > W1. 6RA relays did come in various configurations, but > the original OD relay should have had C1-C2-W1-W2. > > If not, you are going to need to do some detective work to find out how it > is actually wired inside. Use an ohmmeter to find a pair > of terminals that shows around 10-15 ohms resistance. Those terminals are > W1 & W2 (doesn't actually matter which is which). Double > check that there is no continuity (infinite resistance) between the other > pair of terminals. I would also take the next step of > applying 12v across the W1 & W2 terminals, and check that the other pair > of terminals go to zero (or nearly zero) ohms. > > White - W1 > Brown - C1 > YG - W2 > YP - C2 > > If the coil is grounded to the case (as your terminal numbers would seem > to indicate), then you'll need to look for a different > relay. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 08:25:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5254302A for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:25:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A977342EF8 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXF004ZFUDH6ZR0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 07:20:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl TR" To: "'ronnie babbitt'" , "'triumphs2 TRlist '" References: <001201cef2f5$6a769a30$3f63ce90$@cox.net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 08:20:03 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQIYyV8RRFWMj11yWkN3DeSrmWdMzpm0/oCA Subject: Re: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net DanMasters Diagram Brown From power to C1 (Control Box A1 or Amp Gauge) Yellow/Purple From C2 to Overdrive Solenoid White From Power Side of Starter Switch to W1 Yellow/Green From W2 to Overdrive Switch Yellow From Overdrive Switch to Isolator Switches (in parallel) Black From Isolater Switches (in parallel) to Ground Mine Brown From power to C1 (Control Box A1 to Secondary Fuse Box to C1) Yellow/purple From C2 to overdrive solenoid White From power side of key switch to inline fuse to overdrive switch Yellow/Green From Overdrive Switch to W1 Yellow From W2 to Isolater Switches in parellel Black From Isolater Switches (in parallel) to Ground The difference between the two is that I put the switch between the power and the relay. Since the relay is mounted on the dash support bar, this eliminated long runs of white to the relay, Yellow/green to switch, and yellow to relay. There is only one long run of yellow/green from the switch to the relay Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ronnie babbitt Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:39 PM To: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Here is what I have Wires Yellow/Green Yellow/purple Brown White I have 2 different relays both say they are 6RA the original looking one has double C1 single C2 single W1 the newer 6RA relay has the same configuration but one addition terminal it looks like it is labeled WC can someone tell me which wires goes to the correct terminals ronnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 10:24:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7E243092 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:24:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C65403CF for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:38:21 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=Tl2mIlta1NcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=vkPCJO3Jp6cA:10 a=VJJ5H_ubPsCPfBop5YcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55012] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/60-21976-C5E43A25; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 16:35:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'triumphs2 TRlist '" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:35:39 -0800 Thread-Index: AQIYyV8RRFWMj11yWkN3DeSrmWdMzpm0/oCAgABDDhA= Subject: Re: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The difference between the two is that I put the switch > between the power > and the relay. Since the relay is mounted on the dash > support bar, this > eliminated long runs of white to the relay, Yellow/green to > switch, and > yellow to relay. There is only one long run of yellow/green from the > switch to the relay Which, BTW, is the scheme shown in the earlier Triumph manuals; and the apparently original scheme I found on TS39781LO. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 11:33:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D104309D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:33:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9E540530 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:38:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ygle1m0041ap0As5Chc9el; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:36:09 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yhc91m00k2ymm843ihc9XP; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:36:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:36:09 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1386437769; bh=diRfcx3hjX9roEyGImPgjKlHKSJeORoLiUBAyrqhHVc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Sc9iVxPCDnMsjqcHyh00d6fReWJQHxqpH7ZpXtc9ibj81arc9+YCgZC3L+Sk96b9X +UytU/cLbHkvW0BFC5ToUcyVV0h5hBMugjXCj/Y/AP3/L4aDo5NueDxqXRv8qk32Pq Dz8kxJbc9nn/jvynwHOjIHnbcifbf72HqCzIV1nEIb5yyjsJglaIPB/K+hNFadFH7v 7uzmAnJc457iRIUBFkkEymGfZNV7JExQnlgsmwzDd+ar4P1eO7BEWmbHvRBOEiogx9 FlzyXD1jVhTiAfuXDKat9r9G1H/vZICGnf/mMyaMrrHpnWvi6iKJBt4D19GfziqGBr BEcwsOdRP5h3w== Cc: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: Re: [TR] OD wiring A-type TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Weren't all the original o/d relays on TR3's mounted to the battery box? Even the cars I've seen w/o overdrive had holes drilledB in the battery box for the o/d relay, usuallyB filled with rubber plugs.B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 15:15:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C7543078 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:15:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7825F42982 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:31:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id l4so792312lbv.38 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:28:27 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UzzXjxuytIkG4CKOI6+uPDv5Bi82j/uvqLgVqT/3v5M=; b=iWpmrPv6CAtUJvZS/zuhnbeBH8gh7EQMgKWxuEvM4I5c8IJyzmwwCPurMRW0AUY02v L5cpX9zlqdCJm0mW9e+9EeQ6lt07WO/ZTqZRaz8KLPP/P+4O5RTuotjM7YmfopuBfZ/2 dHbb3Xw/HbR5knAGGwNmLqVmZRNj4A8IA1c6Z6DaQxPHJ+9d7UJ8O1n7it301J3K+gnE nso68Cgs5pMSTMfacSoI2BiuFJMagCol5N2Q+V4Q8JTVsfMsdhjpe2GTz5TZ3iNEN9bC b7pDtyE6UEvf0ssxTJz+Dratymwms9Hr2KgasxFN5+aPNdSZVe+Dfu1PHH/WZES2E+ic txpA== mz4mr2446902lbb.52.1386447650516; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.186.105 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:20:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:20:50 -0500 From: darrell floyd To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 steering column bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey List, Has anyone any tips on removing and installing new bushes in the steering column? I am about to attempt the procedure. I have no clue how to depress the two knobs like the workshop manual suggests to remove the old ones? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 16:05:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A338343127 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:05:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5264242FD4 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from vwm7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.37]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MXG00HVRFLZIWW0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [69.126.235.217] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:58:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 15:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Peglow To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You did not mention if the same thing happens when closing. If it's just an opening problem it could be vibration bouncing a flakey limit switch at the open end. You would feel binding when moving the door by hand, doubt it would need grease. B > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:26:48 -0600 > From: "Dave" To: Subject: [TR] very off topic > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > anyone know anything about garage door openers? > > mine works some of the time. > > the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it again > then it > closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. not an > urgent > issue because I only keep LBCbs in there. > > does it just need grease or something? or should I replace it? > doesnbt > seem worthwhile to pay somebody to do that when supposedly Ibm a > mechanic B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 16:10:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C074318D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:10:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BD542FCF for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:27:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ykxW1m0020x6nqc01lQeVu; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 21:24:38 +0000 Received: from RickAustinPC ([70.114.189.245]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ylQ31m00F5J7BXJ8YlQNYG; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 21:24:32 +0000 From: "Rick" To: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:24:06 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7zkqjECQiuRnEERWiDTCPnzOza8w== s=q20121106; t=1386451478; bh=UvaHirgtdW2oOngFK0mIVBZryxY8Sq19awXJIArff74=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=nNegAesqtfKCikwb+YfPT7KnMQW9K51qYNTYtl+8u3YyTdK5rG0C+9vxEYIqiJmie X794/ym1F5NopsS+bYNlfoiqTPP+RQM6axRZMd8trzPYWtvbJYBlkbFBwdLf8MYA6C 7r9zfA7698O+EObDnOlack0PEolAeGTpZFZna6h3IinsDbln8fbtaa3t9hnAIxN9fj 1eywqEG17sX4yQtIi0lhNk6NLUbtr0KGP2KSFou2IbCZMaWeBQVS9NQwO5UXylPASp c+i4tX63lAlkqSY6ihlyXO22TBj9IqhGXlwowK2vxxqfop87jp0NoDLmjBV+5bf8nz hpXBluZfxH2rw== Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got 3 doors at two locations, different manufacturers and ages. 100% (as in all) of cranky door symptoms were fixed by realigning the lower sensors. They are prone to being wacked by garbage cans, booted feet.(you get the idea). If they are unaligned, the doors won't operate. If they are marginally aligned, the doors will work some of the time. Rick in Seattle 1960 Triumph TR3A 1970 BSA 441 Victor Special 1975 Norton 850 Commando Mk3 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 16:55:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBDC4316F for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:55:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E50643052 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id oy12so2291593veb.26 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Cl34SrU6aQdztBWThkSpGI50aczGWE9YjZQefifkENg=; b=Ea8G1PsyroZ+8iVhBLzDJ/q2K3BP6k0VcUAxMO27HDOtBzlqtaTAgZYolezrpMu3nZ zfRUzT2oxGQflU00Wis6H5fqqONjEgB8Oc5FQMs7nRLgOHtNVBg0eDn3XFDHmcc6H0y+ uiHtsHaGZopaiO/WVkHDviSS6CWXpPSO72ggWK5Sc62GBvyERULHKzxiINypbeh66I6m yseEUML0eBwXogINlilJel0qOoBx6rTw6SVhTnFO/eptrTp3rCL3NtwmnLcaa3nss3HD mFxoDpfPTp1bQltxe+JRsIZMNK6EFzQgorsXOTu31jwc6XWtzMYeAsFXcfNugp8Sjgda JGfQ== kk20mr1850543veb.26.1386454974225; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.252.131 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:22:54 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: darrell floyd Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 steering column bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just recently we had a lengthy discussion on this very topic. I can't get the archives to respond at the moment but you might look there. IIRC it was in the past 2 months. Short version is: You cut off the nubs rather than depress and you push the old bushings farther in rather than remove them. Geo On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:20 PM, darrell floyd wrote: > Hey List, > Has anyone any tips on removing and installing new bushes in the steering > column? I am about to attempt the procedure. I have no clue how to depress > the two knobs like the workshop manual suggests to remove the old ones? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 18:16:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F36743213 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:16:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C92D4320A for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:27:47 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=AQeXxZStFAYb00uHSU5qIpFCVAE1WmGFtrSEhLTId4k1YnH4y/wEbZLSDn/uqqvh; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VpQTd-00010f-Nf; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 17:35:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 16:36:01 -0600 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: darrell floyd , triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 steering column bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Darrel, I think some people cut those off with an Xacto knife. I had the tube out of my wife's 250 and just knocked the bushings out with a wooden dowel that was just the right size to slide into the tube. Roger. On 12/07/2013 02:20 PM, darrell floyd wrote: > Hey List, > Has anyone any tips on removing and installing new bushes in the steering > column? I am about to attempt the procedure. I have no clue how to depress > the two knobs like the workshop manual suggests to remove the old ones? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 19:06:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41AE43057 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:06:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91644301A for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:56:37 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=Ulnt8xJy-nMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=n9nIsDC4BgcDQ7AiPxgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=hgFb0dZYlNeUn_v-vMcA:9 a=T47gGix_gsa4-Btw:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:50525] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id FC/3F-24449-BF2C3A25; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 19:53:15 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:53:14 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will also suggest that the plastic gears may be trashed. Mine was wonky for a few days and then didn't work at all. Search the internet and you will find the replacement gear kits are plentiful. Allen On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:38 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Dave, i just went through this, with similar symptoms. If adjusting > theforce/limit screws doesn't help, remove the rear cover if you > can . I found that the plastic(!) drive gears in mine were > essentially devoid of teeth. > Hope it's just an adjustment in your case. > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:26 PM > Subject: [TR] very off topic > > >> anyone know anything about garage door openers? >> >> mine works some of the time. >> >> the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it >> again then it >> closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 21:26:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE1A430AA for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 21:26:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f45.google.com (mail-yh0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E0A42F15 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f45.google.com with SMTP id v1so1683341yhn.18 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 18:59:32 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=5T/6W2kvxuq+8GHrAEmClPdz6AHoHawbubskiusnPiA=; b=lSTUefnomlxz6i+ukWG0QIo+64t1OhnSY21t1spJ6gc80NYHkrcODdBVTD7Elr4m/Z KdQbvSE3kESsHtTaVkmEnw0kqa20A32+EwU+MXfqtoVLNs45SUfRXGOQmaVOoQiqWTu1 nqhy82FKzv7tf5GXdWe0TvmsFBO7BYbsOTxGi+A9pHqOBTDGA9ogCMZv815bHtj4xtBq KbjSZOHl4UHO16Nli+n5Rmgf9Gmc1KrrrZwopTBFAgnVOMDYkPcnB3cu39effXmmaMwX I2hXcskkEFcLF6aDB5k4VJIB/EBX1Csta3HNBVqOL831ILlri/qT8OzDTnIXJGK7WxzU qePA== v25mr187466yhh.112.1386471571959; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 18:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.52.151.232] (mobile-166-147-109-061.mycingular.net. [166.147.109.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x9sm7206788yhd.13.2013.12.07.18.59.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Dec 2013 18:59:30 -0800 (PST) References: From: James Henningsen Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 21:59:28 -0500 To: darrell floyd Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 steering column bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darrell: Just did mine. Use a sharp exacto knife and cut out rubber knobs. Then I used a spark plug socket on end of long extension and gently tapped them further in tube. A little wd40 on new ones and used the same socket to gently tap until knobs fit in holes. Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 Tr4. X2 now 75 TR6 Sent from Jim Henningsen > On Dec 7, 2013, at 3:20 PM, darrell floyd wrote: > > Hey List, > Has anyone any tips on removing and installing new bushes in the steering > column? I am about to attempt the procedure. I have no clue how to depress > the two knobs like the workshop manual suggests to remove the old ones? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 21:34:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A3D43027 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 21:34:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi203.cox.net (fed1rmfepi203.cox.net [68.230.241.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625294044E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:13:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131208030640.GGWK22466.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 22:06:40 -0500 Received: from Vista ([68.99.81.230]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id yr6f1m00K4y9KJU01r6fat; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 22:06:39 -0500 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Ulnt8xJy-nMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=SLL2vdMVOxQ4FUSgSB8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yNEQlvYoJRoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mRvAvl34CClHke3l:21 a=mJsxuisNfBfm0QK_:21 a=lK8ATXWXs+ysZELPK4T+bA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Allen Hess'" , References: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:07:07 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7zudgTUqRXlQvRTfW7iKFRKNV+MgACHAwg Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All this talk about garage openers has become viral. Tonight when I got home mine was doing the exact thing. But this is the first cold night we've had so it figures. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:53 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic I will also suggest that the plastic gears may be trashed. Mine was wonky for a few days and then didn't work at all. Search the internet and you will find the replacement gear kits are plentiful. Allen On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:38 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Dave, i just went through this, with similar symptoms. If adjusting > theforce/limit screws doesn't help, remove the rear cover if you > can . I found that the plastic(!) drive gears in mine were > essentially devoid of teeth. > Hope it's just an adjustment in your case. > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:26 PM > Subject: [TR] very off topic > > >> anyone know anything about garage door openers? >> >> mine works some of the time. >> >> the rest of the time it opens maybe 6 inches and stops. hit it >> again then it >> closes. if I pull the release I can open the door no problem. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 00:04:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2B143027 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 00:04:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9295242F8D for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 00:04:01 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:50515] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 29/B8-14616-64914A25; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:01:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 7:01:26 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2013 7:01:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "I will also suggest that the plastic gears may be trashed. Mine was wonky for a few days and then didn't work at all. Search the internet and you will find the replacement gear kits are plentiful. Allen" I remember when I changed the nylon gears on mine after it was about 5 years old or so, I thought "wonder why the make the gears out of nylon in a pretty high stress application, if they were brass the thing practically last forever" then I thought about it for just a little more and figured out the answer was in the question. Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 08:20:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4EC43050 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:20:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680E64041C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q8so956347lbi.40 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 06:17:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=F1NJXFsp3/cUrL66M0TjNn7eih6rkzXDbLTBqzsPOv4=; b=uYSzZPjD/8L4T1g7sCGFnZox15k0IDUewgFu16toElWOCr3N5Ic+3Ww+IwSRW8qfQX vO+jYRmnCgshnPmDwg0nNtsv5XwVbxddlBUYx5Le+QT/9zof8B8ODZYiT+Il2DOPAZFH 4IxCGtaQ/hNBfJFK0c/srQ/3aq9+U6B5rlNK9fcp4gP3VwlhYLtEIOCX46Y7eNa2qx9n 8996qCIlEj2PO/e6IgN8wjrOx6/tfemNpYWIikHasn1D8e4nyzCMIpjbsWJROeERFPww U7aov+tgvy/ZTvuO9gLNQ/P/cdes3j/mmqNyBVJ5LUp2JIwyGvgMV4/aw7t4JkQMuJIa 5Y1g== j7mr3464252laf.28.1386512266110; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 06:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.99.5 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 06:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:17:26 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Electric fan and new halogen sealed beam headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It was a beautiful day in Raleigh on this last Friday and I drove the TR4 to work. It's a good 45 min drive but really great to get the car out in december without a coat at 6am in the morning. The drive in was mostly in the dark - but uneventful until I pulled into the Bojangles drive through to get a biscuit 2 cars back from the paywindow. I looked over and the ammeter was pegged! i popped the hood disconnected ground from the battery (I love my little green knob) and nothing looked bad. the ammeter was still pegged. gave it a rap and it went home. Started up again - looked good until I turned on the headlights and pegged again. - paid and parked and realized when I replaced the electric fan controller - I had not connected it directly to the alternator as I had done before. I have the fan thermostat set just over the thermostat opening temperature. and it never got hot enough to kick the fan in during the drive to work - that and the headlights bumped the ammeter to the rail during startup and the ammeter stuck. another rap to the ammeter sent it down - but only a small bit with the headlights and fan on - I am running close to 30 A with my headlights (new sealed beam halogens H6024 from Walmart 8.88 each) I had a good scare for sure. Learned a few things - an Ammeter is a good thing, My vanity for a clean engine compartment got in the way of better judgement; People seem to be more tolerant of an old car with the hood up t in a fast food drive through than I would have thought. I was really happy with the light coming off of the halogen sealed beam headlights. So i'll be playing with wiring this afternoon. Re-route the power to the fan (I put an inline fuse in there already!). I'll order materials to relay the headlights, It's on my to do list- but I never do it..... Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 08:49:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB09E42FE6 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:49:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A2742FD4 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:01:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131208145843.QYTI6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:58:43 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id z2yj1m00519GmcH052yjzV; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:58:43 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Ulnt8xJy-nMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=H12Ckr_GzVg4xfP6JecA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:58:44 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20131208070128.TJKXT.140995.root@cdptpa-web21> Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/8/2013 2:01 AM, glemon@neb.rr.com wrote: > I remember when I changed the nylon gears on mine after it was about 5 years old or so, I thought "wonder why the make the gears out of nylon in a pretty high stress application, if they were brass the thing practically last forever" then I thought about it for just a little more and figured out the answer was in the question. Nylon is quieter and, with proper care, should last the life of the operator. Speaking as someone who spent time in the door business, there's plenty of revenue to be had without building in some failure mode. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 09:26:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6C84311F for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:26:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEB8403E2 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:38:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id oz11so2731720veb.7 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:35:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=llzHEvjLZOIE5DVFW8uaAF7/R9rucaAYG4Ce0QIViPI=; b=SmFSbjkxr1aUMpJUBuF3wUSg2/3DSa0ZZcfpSSbPMlJZBPWhLswMaMjQBpZLqumxV8 xhg67WSk2hqP5dbv7kF45Ii3Cds7MTOAXfg9Y0ArwIvwTappUkiwe+1dOVZAb3eTozsE j86gktZyXWWZu3vOcMGBq69eAHn5eMhI4vW1SxSKdi2PGGXb8L8oac9pBWC8Ok5LqwLn pbU0eQD0VAFZYC+NrL5UUULVwusDg1eG6OBX2YN8R+BI8rk2NsliHz/BOG3mlhixVmHR UNZl9GJEu4hT+DotYcTPIib98jvnocV1bGDwsT3KwnmiLkm+B1sozN2VQfYhjG//eXnI JsoQ== hm4mr589988veb.28.1386516952010; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.252.131 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:35:51 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:35:51 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Electric fan and new halogen sealed beam headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, definitely headlamps relays (& IMO fuses) are in order. Without relays, on long chilly drives, the headlamp switch can make a nice hand warmer. But I think a pair of those high beams should only draw about 11 amps. I hook up a reliable ammeter at the battery and jot down the draw of every major circuit just to get an idea of what is going on. Geo On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > It was a beautiful day in Raleigh on this last Friday and I drove the TR4 > to work. It's a good 45 min drive but really great to get the car out in > december without a coat at 6am in the morning. > > The drive in was mostly in the dark - but uneventful until I pulled into > the Bojangles drive through to get a biscuit 2 cars back from the > paywindow. I looked over and the ammeter was pegged! > > i popped the hood disconnected ground from the battery (I love my little > green knob) and nothing looked bad. the ammeter was still pegged. gave it > a rap and it went home. Started up again - looked good until I turned on > the headlights and pegged again. - paid and parked and realized when I > replaced the electric fan controller - I had not connected it directly to > the alternator as I had done before. > > I have the fan thermostat set just over the thermostat opening temperature. > and it never got hot enough to kick the fan in during the drive to work - > that and the headlights bumped the ammeter to the rail during startup and > the ammeter stuck. another rap to the ammeter sent it down - but only a > small bit with the headlights and fan on - I am running close to 30 A with > my headlights (new sealed beam halogens H6024 from Walmart 8.88 each) > > I had a good scare for sure. Learned a few things - an Ammeter is a good > thing, My vanity for a clean engine compartment got in the way of better > judgement; People seem to be more tolerant of an old car with the hood up t > in a fast food drive through than I would have thought. I was really > happy with the light coming off of the halogen sealed beam headlights. > > So i'll be playing with wiring this afternoon. Re-route the power to the > fan (I put an inline fuse in there already!). I'll order materials to > relay the headlights, It's on my to do list- but I never do it..... > > Chris > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 10:20:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F08C43210 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:20:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7C642761 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:12:51 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=Z3UWeBgublIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=hZHAajw1DagA:10 a=43v4fw04AAAA:20 a=dqj3j3a4AAAA:20 a=7uTrkX1pAAAA:20 a=jFEbOypOAAAA:20 a=NTdH7EmpJXo3vdXk37IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=Ra9ZoqiaDJoA:10 a=P5ERDMY8tD4A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 93/9F-21884-BA994A25; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:09:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:09:15 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac70KMt6VeYD5fUySyqrN9hMHwSUOwAA16Qg Subject: Re: [TR] Electric fan and new halogen sealed beam headlights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So i'll be playing with wiring this afternoon. Re-route the > power to the > fan (I put an inline fuse in there already!). Just a thought, Chris, rather than rewiring the fan so the ammeter can show charge while the battery is running down; why not add a shunt to the ammeter so it can indicate the total load? In effect, the shunt recalibrates the ammeter for a higher full scale reading. I chose 60 amps (since I had a 60 amp alternator) but you could go for any other value with a little calculation. http://tinyurl.com/mzlgvua That's the result from my second version, where I measured the ammeter resistance (1.2 milliohms) and calculated that a 3.6" length of 16 AWG copper wire (4 milliohms per foot) would make a 50% shunt. But for the original version, I just kept adding strands of steel "baling" wire across the ammeter until I got the result I wanted. With engine off, headlights on, I checked the ammeter reading and then kept adding strands until the deflection was half of the original value. > I'll order > materials to > relay the headlights, It's on my to do list- but I never do it..... Another photo that you might find interesting. I later redid without the sockets. http://tinyurl.com/kbzov2a Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 11:52:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF25A430B8 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:52:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A0F40411 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q8so1004069lbi.30 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 08:33:07 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=b/UxrDgCg8pwstNR5DNDI/Km+gzYkiKXPqzcs1Hitns=; b=c8N1nfB7n6WwKIXH+KyxoFQjtLneCqy58QRTuDC2FtThnIqWQWk1RTT90GOCgNfs9R 7v6i4pMaYaOrROwPGDt2B5fPoGnvJ4dJuVgyw4bBphq700hCYshVyTlhOsvBaU5xavXh COc4roy2Pmg51qRXpkyLo3LLXZzSZjgna9anoQEH+ja+j2UPgfIwNNdlMyQ3hPYLPXBD RzDNVau1NC03h0iJkEykBaK6bVSMTxzd5Au10R9/b3GQgCSrbIJTnq746kYalger7lu8 L65Jl2ZmSpXXjOJvRwktodEERZUxlYEViAwE99G6VihnQrE2GH9oz052Eu7O6Jjml1J0 La6g== Sun, 08 Dec 2013 08:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.186.105 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:02:39 -0800 (PST) References: <52A3A2D1.4080204@rmi.net> <20131208033842.H13FF.169560.root@cdptpa-web09> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 11:02:39 -0500 From: darrell floyd To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 steering column bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Guys, I used a socket and extension with some PB Blaster and they came out after some spirited pounding with my Hide Hammer. I took them all the way out cause I intend to powder coat the column. Cheers, Darrell On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM, wrote: > Can you put the bushing in with the column still on the car? > > Greg Lemon > > ---- Roger Elliott wrote: > > Hi Darrel, > > > > I think some people cut those off with an Xacto knife. I had the tube > > out of my wife's 250 and just knocked the bushings out with a wooden > > dowel that was just the right size to slide into the tube. > > > > Roger. > > On 12/07/2013 02:20 PM, darrell floyd wrote: > > > Hey List, > > > Has anyone any tips on removing and installing new bushes in the > steering > > > column? I am about to attempt the procedure. I have no clue how to > depress > > > the two knobs like the workshop manual suggests to remove the old ones? > > > Thanks, > > > Darrell > > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 17:07:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C7740524 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:07:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD3A40452 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 16:14:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id zBBe1m0072QmmGk01BBeYM; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:11:39 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Jeff" , References: <20131208070128.TJKXT.140995.root@cdptpa-web21> <52A48924.7010706@charter.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:07:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] very off topic update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net if I use a hand held remote, and push up on the door as it opens, it opens all the way. closes by itself just fine. must be the gears binding. I'm moving the TR6 this evening so I can get to it. I'll lube everything! thanks to all! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 08:24:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDF743050 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:24:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9EC40415 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 07:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.66.118]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id zSjh1m0092Z5cJE01Sjt9b; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 07:43:54 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:43:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac707IxV7zhHdrQgQdquXvWbG4lcnw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Testing brake lines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For the latest restoration, I have made my own brake lines, but I'd like to know if they are good before reuniting the body with the frame. Does anyone have a suggestion how to pressure test the integrity of the lines without jerry-rigging a set up with the reservoir, master cylinder and pedal assembly ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 09:46:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9FB43070 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:46:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316E94051D for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:40:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC6A170002C5C for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 94F87E000091 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386603045; bh=q7VveYPGeEH0F/u2elCfiU1dspCIiM+GBiqCS+rhuLM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WbSuvhkDSKR+hBmqSu++NQ3Wy5p8ZwwgiKa2qs8VJ5+Fjxi4LW4lClm/gn55iVZiN rIxwdyUptZFlSfUG026oaW54EH3vl/Fiwf5jKlcMwP4fLkCcS07emMfDyr/aqapuTG jH2zqEEAVP1z9O2u+pas8JHVejDplV2EuZO6R9DI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d52a5e2254aa3 Subject: Re: [TR] Testing brake lines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sure, just set your air compressor to 3,000 PSI... You can check for leaks easily enough but to see if things will hold up "under fire" is a bit more difficult. Dave In a message dated 12/9/2013 9:15:41 AM Central Standard Time, auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > For the latest restoration, I have made my own brake lines, but I'd like > to > know if they are good before reuniting the body with the frame. Does > anyone > have a suggestion how to pressure test the integrity of the lines without > jerry-rigging a set up with the reservoir, master cylinder and pedal > assembly ? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 10:35:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE2942B1A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:35:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF3FB403EA for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:09:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 17:06:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.244] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 17:06:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 17:06:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386608814; bh=R9HyNLUxFpSiIikqY5gqOGUVlj/fjt4x5wN8H/K/qLI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=c14m7Nljx5bXgiXSpzK140uG7eeAqvARr1Zt8PueQQ+EmzhtzTKxpj95PXymcawrq+jeZysYtMdGsBdvEhpNvAhptHc2ERfuXJibhIBSpx4SjQXZ0TfFImgZW6B+9GW0Kiy8u6HHA1Om3nX8mGpcMoE3P0QIDlChfQWhy9984fU= 8Sln4t2lYWkjAfu2YfSIMzCMo3cSU2Ze6hotbHFIrloaCdS3MCq5KpbtBavk nsgY22TTzszrgISGX69r.x.zlZHx1we6XwC7eTXqhj.ACnMatNFE_WnR42Cp 73e6wZcBOQo_QH0iaAxYBsDo9ntcSoo8TU0laPoieOmMHVUkixOinIP8vpt0 CZptXeYZ6cWobdctBmNIzUJuKg2uWJzSFDIugzKcdL.TIQ9l7.fGfh3I1c9E JRkRXZ2mc.GKz_eFxv_Uh1jfDtMGCWvcvbjuBEQ9DiAn00R7.31O00YxzNMh AnvIEi6.Yshc5ckVJnq85JLZtoLkqVPwDRiM.DAp53KQRej9HYD1zy63lXsW .e82827WIsrGGcCL6gk.G1OBgrED8QTVcK76PO81uNiLKo.fLjOIwi4kgnMs 58BiLbCjx713NCY6DPIDUlXD37vL6py1eLgWcJKihLUI.tgrJg2czP0T0VX2 QGEftbmTlL7K4qz1dWewcPGix9bPcVcSm.YMbqBzcsQ5J7ZYhK8h.Xav9HOy KkYU5ycmahxi5pbROx9RU0xet3ongjNnjFxWMft_AvTrJyWq8RFwwWNSkLg- - smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Dec 2013 17:06:54 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <003001cef4ed$1654b640$42fe22c0$@uprichard.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:06:46 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac707IxV7zhHdrQgQdquXvWbG4lcnwAEuD0g Subject: Re: [TR] Testing brake lines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, It won't give you actual 'in use' pressure level but a compressor with a fitting modified to the line inlet set up and pressurized for 24 hours should give you the best test of your handy work without a having any high-pressure equipment. Of course getting a companion to stand on the brakes for a few minutes whilst you inspect everything is a good full-pressure test but comes after you have the tub in place. My thoughts, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:44 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Testing brake lines For the latest restoration, I have made my own brake lines, but I'd like to know if they are good before reuniting the body with the frame. Does anyone have a suggestion how to pressure test the integrity of the lines without jerry-rigging a set up with the reservoir, master cylinder and pedal assembly ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 11:42:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4258F4305B for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:42:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop1.greatbasin.net (pop91.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B863403FA for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:52:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1b-032.gbis.net [207.228.61.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop1.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB9GS94S010892; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:28:09 -0800 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <003001cef4ed$1654b640$42fe22c0$@uprichard.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:28:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [TR] Testing brake lines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe I'm just stupid, but my way of testing has always been to put the system together and press hard on the brake pedal. If it stayed high and didn't leak down, I was satisfied. I've always used this technique on the race car and haven't been killed yet! Seriously, there are few places on the car that you can't replace when it's complete. Take the chance that you're be right and finish the restoration; you're free to test it in the garage before it moves. BTW - did you double-flare the joints? Do it. Skip Gurnee 64 TR4, 66 TR4A Lotus Cortina, TVR, Cherokee stroker -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Uprichard For the latest restoration, I have made my own brake lines, but I'd like to know if they are good before reuniting the body with the frame. Does anyone have a suggestion how to pressure test the integrity of the lines without jerry-rigging a set up with the reservoir, master cylinder and pedal assembly ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 16:50:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C3743095 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:50:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479B34042C for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:00:31 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=aVbd5Q-a-C4A:10 a=8fvOh1mKAAAA:8 a=kqYx_o6IyRdCYuWuoXoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SVqzirnCOXUA:10 a=8REDHZM0ydsA:10 a=4R0XgAwSeIUA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:65351] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02.mail.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9E/72-21976-3DA46A25; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 22:57:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:57:23 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Testing brake lines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Skip Gurnee wrote: > Maybe I'm just stupid, Maybe I am too, but I was going to suggest exactly the same thing. Except maybe "stomp" rather than just "press hard" It's hard to avoid that moment of panic when something unexpected happens; and even though locking the brakes is counter-productive, you sure don't want the hydraulics to fail just because you did. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 10 06:03:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6214291F for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:03:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A1403F4 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131210120713.RWCJ3853.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:07:13 -0500 Received: from RonnieBabbitt ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id zo7B1m0064KlQ4L01o7CQF; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:07:13 -0500 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=1xxlCpApLEwA:10 a=dMRmNWFl8mL1h93CYK4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=rw8cMhbakFlz7dBb1I8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=HjgX_T-lsBmvanWe:21 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: "ronnie babbitt" To: "triumphs2 TRlist " Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:07:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac71oE5kzUPnW0gMQ2KM05rdWkl2/g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] What I learned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What I learned. A couple of years ago I took Terra my TR3A to Tom Fanshers house in Florida to send some time with them and tune up my car. I'm a very mechanically inclined but I am not a tuner. Both Jere Dotten and Tom worked their magic on Terra and the car ran better than ever. Lately she has been running very rough. How ever since the last tune up she has not had been driven many miles. ... This past weekend was our local night parade. So I decided to do some tuning. I call a Dutch mechanic friend Willem to come assist me. We changed the plugs. Cleaned the rotor cap. Did all the usual things. I'm using a pertronics so gaping the points was unnecessary. I then decided to drain all the gas out using a transfer pump. Added five gallons of new fresh gas. Turned the key and immediately she came to life. Within seconds she began to run, as if time had been set back to the day I left Toms house. Bad gas has been her problem all along. I have now learned a lesson regarding fuel stabilizers. I always thought If I put in some fresh high octane gas that that would be fine. I was very wrong. I drive the night time parade. The slow pace began to increase the water temp, soon she began running badly. I figure the low RPMs was also causing the plugs to load up. As soon as the parade ended I drove her back to the starting point of the parade and quickly she smoothed out. I'm assuming the Carbon burnt off at the higher speed. So next year I plan to add a pusher fan behind a Christmas wreath to help cool the water temp. While doing the maintenance I decide to look at the OD for the unit was not staying engaged. I decided to change out the relay. After wiring in the replacement which was not configured exactly the same. She began engaging and worked perfectly. Now my confidence is restored and I believe I will participate in the Georgia triumphs annual Polar Bear run later this month. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 10 13:57:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AEF42F6D for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:57:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B68403E3 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hq4so5889956wib.3 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:04:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=FM58cxMgSenRVmtVqiyeTwySw0kKYzzPZy/JLLkrros=; b=aoQWTk38YjxRWREoSY7OZTryyzZ1kTl5d7IiTY0fbYLiI9VZMo9egEXJPcu+mwpc35 LJom8Rh0urZWCjmzhBnIiYtf0H+1d9lfT0zElE/9OYBA/eodO1gxBw39TlKdTBqUDKDk SbsTN+tGzuIQ49uEKBIZrXbA9qNFxvmpW7N7QcFToeXygL9MaCyZzVWtMStrkwABcH53 gJoBCVqfmeq9NmLMNvmgvPMciiDAJ6CFHvJC8iXqe7YOo2t4cJabL/nhs3IsNMjZ7nsJ 0NL/Q859pd1wZgGORh3GDIkEpj0IGDWTk7jHXa/LHYfQXe9/YL9qAdIUT3dldPexuxH0 /e4w== vb3mr23030972wjc.28.1386705860158; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Don Hiscock Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:04:00 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Robson's forthcoming book on "Works Triumphs in Detail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Graham Robson posted an update on his latest book effort today on the TR Register forum, noting "this will be a brand new title, covering each and every one of the 'works' cars (1953 to 1980) in detail, including drivers, modifications, events done, etc. For publication mid next year. It goes off to the publishers (Herridge & Sons) tomorrow". It includes the works Standards in addition to Triumphs. This will be a useful addition to many our our Triumph libraries. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 10 17:35:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4017D4295A for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:35:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C575E403D4 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id bz8so101882wib.5 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:01:34 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=vXJDSOnrB+rCIZP3nSt/rG0IuUWTMsIX43bOIa4SH44=; b=SLE7H/DxmQQudVR2syZITicccrPaTUxdBuE25H7DMMnK+yf++JMn5fNVvIAVZTwAFT QGgo52/Sum0EB5enU4YCBg1oy90X4WhBKZRGnjeSsJC4SCYLj/v2QexCFx22riQLn8so QxVDSA7aU3YK3kwvSFk3zo+XAruDAxxw2qjp5FV3TqUF3HNnvMvJPiApqkceffmJfMmv ytTIqNOp5kGdjakH1OaG7X4cuaoAxtgDuyDBLdB/2ZliOmvw9BfjhY+TUSyCH4Cuq/iK lq89MjDE9RpddmFwwIOkbjvoj2AajRU9nWfeXVrb9KI7nu4FkqTo9ZV5eNHIWKCVztXK J7FA== mu9mr22020482wib.14.1386720094225; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:01:14 -0800 (PST) References: From: Don Hiscock Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:01:14 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Robson's forthcoming book on "Works Triumphs in Detail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Graham reminded me that his upcoming book will cover only the British 'works' cars -- not the Kastner cars, Tullius/Group 44 cars, or Jon Buffum cars. Those works cars that came over from the UK to Canada and the USA are discussed. Graham notes there are about 150 individual cars involved with more than 150,000 words and more than 350 images. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > Graham Robson posted an update on his latest book effort today on the TR > Register forum, noting "this will be a brand new title, covering each and > every one of the 'works' cars (1953 to 1980) in detail, including drivers, > modifications, events done, etc. For publication mid next year. It goes > off to the publishers (Herridge & Sons) tomorrow". It includes the works > Standards in addition to Triumphs. > > This will be a useful addition to many our our Triumph libraries. > > Don > 1962 TR3B TSF202L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 11 14:39:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3832940436 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:39:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CD8400A5 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.68.220]) by p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 0M7e1n00V4l8n9y01M7fdi; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:07:40 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:07:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac72tMefbzYDGQEVSwq9MLrPUPB98w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I have six and all are identical with the exception that half have an extra hole right at one end. Rather than the end being straight across, it looks like a Greek omega. And idea what side this one goes on - and why? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 11 15:42:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE3C40535 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:42:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CF14035A for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:54:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 410C77018D9FD for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mab004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mab004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.29.13]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0EABBE000090 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: TR250Driver@aol.com Full-name: TR250Driver Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:51:28 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386798689; bh=Kn1zj02Yl26G99KbxAcBcHrhAgZT52CZ+oKKn9SjVFI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MG2DVxVVYGu9Ro3tZWNEe2znMyGOuAURkDL3MRm3x2bQZv82+3XRGnnvMtOqfRfXK eGzJoQu0N9cM3JNgxi8I5qUs1FU9H7rZkXP8FTL0bnKTf2j+zlrC1R9Egm1k6MB2DL GZhD2O9zzA94fYhoumjp6Uj1Ce1DvxXi/Smp+vOM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d52a8de6105ce Subject: [TR] Surrey Top Question for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a Tonneau cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the List? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 11 16:10:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74DF42982 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:10:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF46400A5 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.4] helo=mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VqsYY-0001hE-CL for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:47:02 -0500 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VqsYY-0007tl-DI; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:47:02 -0500 Received: from webmail08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.8]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 0Nn11n00t0ASE2q01Nn18K; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:47:01 -0500 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=XtVhqXsqBT0A:10 a=c9XImuOzh7WDceyTfVsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=tqPSUnvo1HwA:10 a=Zf3Mkh-1flcA:10 a=7h2F2BjDq9+/f7diu5YjrQ==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VqsYQ-0004fv-TB; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:46:55 -0500 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:46:55 -0500 References: <000f01cef6b5$0a69ea70$1f3dbf50$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:46:55 -0500 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Andrew Uprichard" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The trip odometer reset knob and shaft might pass through that hole. Greg G. Osseo, MN > I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I have six > and all are identical with the exception that half have an extra hole > right > at one end. Rather than the end being straight across, it looks like a > Greek omega. And idea what side this one goes on - and why? > > Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 11 19:24:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E42C40523 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:24:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE349403FB for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:48:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from JoePa2011 ([unknown] [71.251.145.168]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXO00FMW4R29J50@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:45:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph Laurito" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <000f01cef6b5$0a69ea70$1f3dbf50$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:45:02 -0500 Thread-index: Ac72tMefbzYDGQEVSwq9MLrPUPB98wAHfEAA Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It goes on the driver's side, the one without the hole goes to the passenger side. I think the purpose was to take the stem of the trip odometer, but I was never able to get it to work for me. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:08 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Dash supports I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I have six and all are identical with the exception that half have an extra hole right at one end. Rather than the end being straight across, it looks like a Greek omega. And idea what side this one goes on - and why? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 11 22:26:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E623742EEB for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:26:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C221342EF0 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0VCY1n0021vN32cA6VN5wF; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:22:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.21.162.38]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0VN01n00F0q0jTL8iVN4dF; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:22:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:21:58 -0800 From: Eric Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <36cce.8deea79.3fda3864@aol.com> s=q20121106; t=1386825725; bh=Sy1u7RUfRCFgMvaWKs2/o510y7MXEKz7WPwWoOqGYXo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=En8KY2ZbPqqiWREWp/WbfAfiWWng9BMR+IZ9t6/MTSszYFSuBB5XeLox04xOlo+Uq EgDdELTfBSkeIhlNdZbSw3bHJnHLdxOO0+cnBCT+WRpiemz8iVBJ/FL2F+b/vdM1MU ukYUpWDGprdL8lyhAPzhhv/bBf+TbvC7QZeV6q5XNC518GGC6kuYsKJ4b9Z8O71n6w Dxw01SFa9Z6gzSBeZsMg5aSCAkO3DhvF7e5bmFwwpLUapRVr2671HacRxora5tDyRn 4w0uQ1sFH6W8VmLdbGIRzlV8qidn+IuTcoxj4Q2lXPRy9CfnexU4r7Oy9uaCneYOoq xAmZMcZ4QOjFg== Subject: Re: [TR] Surrey Top Question for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My one owner 65 4A Surrey Top that I purchased in 96 did not have any tonneau attachment points. (although it came with a tonneau cover, and lots of other stuff...) Hope that helps. -Eric On 12/11/2013 1:51 PM, TR250Driver@aol.com wrote: > List, > If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have > came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a Tonneau > cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure > they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the List? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ebuzzmiller@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 06:43:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29BB42713 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 06:43:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50734403A6 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A68A170036220 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mob001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.193]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6AD9BE000085 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:47:09 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386852429; bh=x3W/8fiUqFaz1zXWE5Qe9MUHDFkG3eSV0Yopyt7NEGc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VOZl0rrhPB1idtP1OUwqhLam5uvhErhgUz5eH6Min4ZqE8L3xSK8UUH0GPptUEAHd KVl+ikfSHwnrRuY2k3YmgbVcGlv97sAZe0b/cJIdw+/7powuhgRupSIkDFjRFrrUVF oAkcp2xTYRL2kFEJ6e6ZdhBsFx7o1D5Co6i0/LFM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b52a9b04d3b2c Subject: Re: [TR] Surrey Top Question for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No wisdom here but plenty of speculation. The rear portion is removable, is it not? If that is the case then there is the option of removing the rear window and using the car as a full convertible model including use of a tonneau, I would think. Cheers, Darrell Dave In a message dated 12/11/2013 4:36:27 PM Central Standard Time, TR250Driver@aol.com writes: > List, > If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have > > came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a > Tonneau > cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure > they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the > List? > Thanks, > Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 06:52:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680CD42F19 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 06:52:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B90403A6 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C7C977000438D for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mob001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.193]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 85A9DE00008F for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:40:14 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386852014; bh=HUf8bDT45x6diBt+XJ2g8TLbsUqMffhDF8TVcQRRhgI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vmtYs/kB12QoiR3GR6yc85soe7kUc8Z+uVJkl8OuNTdqhZj7uYj/ncl7blS7XZmmW GZuFiWum/RqQ2OUFj9FrDsxjpKCYhvRxfiCq/IcGDpRqV6IJ00k5oHK4naTrBurRvY vHFrmj9dX2CCciSnHxEKsT1uQogI36QAC+/scDkA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b52a9aeae77b1 Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, Don Hiscock (on this list) found a document that shows how the extra cutout is for clearance for the trip odo reset knob if the speedo is mounted on the right (left hand drive) where the rallye copilot can see it. He sent me a copy which I have on my home computer. I, too, was clueless before this was brought to my attention. Dave In a message dated 12/11/2013 3:31:54 PM Central Standard Time, auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I have > six > and all are identical with the exception that half have an extra hole > right > at one end. Rather than the end being straight across, it looks like a > Greek omega. And idea what side this one goes on - and why? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 07:30:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9932C429A2 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:30:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4ED42AB9 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 06:46:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.70.242]) by p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 0der1n00H5DeB0N01desCv; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 06:38:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Joseph Laurito'" , References: <000f01cef6b5$0a69ea70$1f3dbf50$@uprichard.net> <006701cef6d3$65237d00$2f6a7700$@net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:38:48 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFSvm8KFXHHZabYOaIzuEUsmkhk1wJ8Dn4XmzUhaPA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Joe - and everyone else who answered. I have three cars and all have the speedometer on the left. I guess I am going straight to hell............. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Laurito [mailto:trglory@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:45 PM To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Dash supports It goes on the driver's side, the one without the hole goes to the passenger side. I think the purpose was to take the stem of the trip odometer, but I was never able to get it to work for me. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:08 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Dash supports I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I have six and all are identical with the exception that half have an extra hole right at one end. Rather than the end being straight across, it looks like a Greek omega. And idea what side this one goes on - and why? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 09:07:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529AC42F06 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:07:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB240066 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:26:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 91AC8701AF9BF for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mhd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.67]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C14BE000092; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:22:43 -0500 (EST) References: <48f8e.2645e414.3fdb0a50@cs.com> To: Dave1massey@cs.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-d126.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:22:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:22:43 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386861763; bh=zyLTqulBwpy/JzJDnrc6VtMNKGRvmziBzeGCe+dM+II=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FSQIkJMdb13jaDNnc5uL+ieN9FfXGTS8ccxWLePqut7HQCTLWvCYWTpZ9HrAGr8cH LW9bzoY2Y9IpEU8qm/ntVjdQQ3oSXm93OxWHDEJlTMlGPoz1IsWwsX/Frtf7MxU2Mn 8IXt9OYroitzuwwdRSrWtUscDEjB5P6X8LuSibkI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294952a9d4c331a2 Subject: Re: [TR] Surrey Top Question for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, the rear window and frame are "removable," just as a Herald coupe or sedan roof is "removable," but that really wasn't Triumph's intent in either case (i.e., make the car into a convertible). I'll assume that, on an original TR4/4A hardtop installation, there are no snaps or Lift-the-Dot posts around the rear tonneau, right? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Dave1massey No wisdom here but plenty of speculation. The rear portion is removable, is it not? If that is the case then there is the option of removing the rear window and using the car as a full convertible model including use of a tonneau, I would think. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 09:45:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF6642EEC for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:45:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEA84281B for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY178-W49 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:29:14 -0800 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: "TR250Driver@aol.com" , Triumph List Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:29:14 -0600 References: <36cce.8deea79.3fda3864@aol.com> FILETIME=[EA250ED0:01CEF74E] Subject: Re: [TR] Surrey Top Question for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darrell- I looked over a beat up TR4 a few years ago which was probably around the same year (had an aluminum hardtop) - and it did not have attachment points for the tonneau on the doors. The factory surrey cars didn't have rear capping pieces and had different rear bulkhead trim so I don't think its unreasonable to assume no holes in the doors. Randy > List, > If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have > came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a Tonneau > cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure > they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the List? > Thanks, > Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 10:17:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AB742F4B for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:17:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176E742F3B for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A13007018EEF0 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mob001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.193]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3636BE000092 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386866608; bh=BfWL+MThclS3wkVlIjVZqeBmNy+GYqy19I1z+vjgIts=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O06IfoLvPsSX3FlXAvPIIcxO8Lye/DA0lbUzo+yd0UbBvkYXdaQxMtZofRTNPt8nQ LkIxsjtrlhr5B4q5A8hKYsTdAXMnUgdvHddhi2ttDitgtsPHZrlethds2qf745eDpk exoCDfKoNEYnbOj7C7vZl1tl4nImKLSrrQ4gtfGc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc52a9e7af09e6 Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Me too. I have my speedo on the left on my TR6, too so I bet I beat you there. Dave In a message dated 12/12/2013 8:24:29 AM Central Standard Time, auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > Thanks, Joe - and everyone else who answered. I have three cars and all > have the speedometer on the left. I guess I am going straight to > hell............. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 14:01:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4BD42A31 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:01:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B142440075 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id z2so151161wiv.6 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=zfdI37tLkkbXgc2UkzqVNsUpnjzkWkkkxvoz6K5eIF4=; b=01zHtGEg7Iq54gNrUq8lol+2D/T7poMzZdU/S2OAw3c8IcDyUy9UCBtUGJnZ10nrmA YYsSiXm2rm939sLC5YHh+8HagK652E7+j2ws0rU/d7fZ08d2le0BjZQ2wFEASC88ioNL SlwCUn5UThP4zjIdS/uuS848q1hEyRsivM2eK0NJS1IYMaSSqhGCEwUF0Dr32fTW3V0Z 8ic2g0Nae6VtiA6oGqXzwM5zrVirchbfxBidMDGe0GuH0M13dtN/Y6q5AwuLDpIGU5Nm pa1vz9s2tGcyGC/Jdmaqhe62e7Lptob8q7gpxpAeDml7t+pxF3u77wujs+hs3cQsJQlA N2Gg== fd9mr9491721wib.14.1386880269776; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:30:49 -0800 (PST) References: <48cb5.2fa15ffc.3fdb08b1@cs.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:30:49 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here are links to the Triumph Service Information bulletin from September 1958 discussing the speedometer move. It only applies to post-TS29098 cars, so anyone is safe from the fires if their commission number is earlier than that... http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-4DTG679/0/X2/i-4DTG679-X2.jpg http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-W35dvzh/0/X2/i-W35dvzh-X2.jpg On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:40 AM, wrote: > Yes, Don Hiscock (on this list) found a document that shows how the extra > cutout is for clearance for the trip odo reset knob if the speedo is > mounted > on the right (left hand drive) where the rallye copilot can see it. He > sent > me a copy which I have on my home computer. > > I, too, was clueless before this was brought to my attention. > > Dave > > In a message dated 12/11/2013 3:31:54 PM Central Standard Time, > auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > > I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I have > > six > > and all are identical with the exception that half have an extra hole > > right > > at one end. Rather than the end being straight across, it looks like a > > Greek omega. And idea what side this one goes on - and why? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 15:40:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF7742B41 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:40:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B04C42F0D for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:17:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.65.68]) by p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 0mDg1n00T1UMhCe01mDhGB; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:13:45 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Don Hiscock'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <48cb5.2fa15ffc.3fdb08b1@cs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:13:38 -0500 Thread-Index: AQEMVH4nFjqeWuTEL1iY1OupcSbVHAHHbtLYm8gpTNA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "Mileage recorder is screened from the view of the passenger" - forget the mileage recorder, I don't want my wife to see how fast we are going !! One car is pre-29098 and two are post, but all have the speedo on the left. I actually prefer it that way. And I have it on good authority the speedo is on the left down there, too................ Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:31 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Dash supports Here are links to the Triumph Service Information bulletin from September 1958 discussing the speedometer move. It only applies to post-TS29098 cars, so anyone is safe from the fires if their commission number is earlier than that... http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-4DTG679/0/X2/i-4DTG679-X2.jpg http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-W35dvzh/0/X2/i-W35dvzh-X2.jpg On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:40 AM, wrote: > Yes, Don Hiscock (on this list) found a document that shows how the > extra cutout is for clearance for the trip odo reset knob if the > speedo is mounted on the right (left hand drive) where the rallye > copilot can see it. He sent me a copy which I have on my home > computer. > > I, too, was clueless before this was brought to my attention. > > Dave > > In a message dated 12/11/2013 3:31:54 PM Central Standard Time, > auprichard@uprichard.net writes: > > I never realized the two dash supports for the TR3 were sided. I > > have six and all are identical with the exception that half have an > > extra hole right at one end. Rather than the end being straight > > across, it looks like a Greek omega. And idea what side this one > > goes on - and why? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 15:45:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A50342ADC for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:45:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0515742F36 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0mCs1n0050Fqzac5EmEKxV; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:14:19 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0mEK1n00B2xV5no3UmEKyd; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:14:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:14:19 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list , Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1386886459; bh=B1ECOjpS5rIriCMGOw7iq6eSm3OTLxuT0oGV/Ve99SI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=H4N8vJgP+SpWzpPnEjAARKn+R2QtXOlzuab/14xLtsGv1EOBjxGGkriHYhlw+gZEG rFCuT8O3FljSK/ulvGDlO40hAt1JPtoluQ1ICczOoX+4snzLTiMoykYwtOGO4GmNol uAMpCRc4ZBgWycYZ3yciRu826rNLyFN8UzRhj5ZFykVtXlgjvQ2M4x9Gm7OYYPXnE1 5ydEtyQNfC60XDEGDHjo6ampkfV1F0S1YCfVgCnre50FjVuaKusxBUg60VpFGvTW32 93tkcDX+CgtUuAnVPPvOwnFOtC9EU8fLCMo+kbcPwb1P7ILu8bQ/t8vhNRuoseXpPa f5hOniYPJopYg== Subject: [TR] TR6 bonnet wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone near Jacksonville, FL know of a TR6 bonnet that might be available? Thanks, Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 16:39:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32BA42F1E for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:39:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D554006C for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C435E7018011E for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dlc003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.73]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id ADE7AE000088 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:48:28 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.47) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:48:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:48:28 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386888508; bh=MOoKqt/EDfR0kD61/WBvmHjrsHkSXwZS5wrE8ihv68g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bsJ/FAm9qwQp76RzwP0LlXMFG066cyQdiTVlYplHpZu89KVNLIAdRQ0XcaCaUnl8E MvL4GQAmbEkAufWPapIhrg4LBEp26E6d0T53ReXZLYZtJuK8Mt6HbChQ2PLnqryC+T A9ZcAFbv7fih7rqS6g9mS3jOQKBNIxvpR24N7tG0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b52aa3d3c3776 Subject: [TR] Tonneau on a Surrey-topped TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darrell, et al, Pretty sure my 1965 TR4A did not have button snaps on the doors when I bought it in 1985, but I have since installed them and had a standard tonneau cover fitted to the car by an upholstery shop. There are numerous lift-a-dot studs installed on the base of the backlight frame, with a little cover modifying required around the frame sides near the doors. It is not as taut as most tonneau covers but keeps dust and prying eyes out of the car when parked. George Haynes ------------------------------ Message: 2 List, If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a Tonneau cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the List? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 17:20:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7034295A for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:20:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378E3403A6 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id w62so1201319wes.21 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:17:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MuIyHd3RT0UKcHVWFfnspK18Q2XyJPpHoLD/9Tui02Y=; b=tKjDfq4JYWFDbnnaVx/yQbnR2FYwMv7C92yS7HVXuNYw3dqlOQQwJJog5hmbwQUtxI nDdro1fVOU5d/bhYWzVYjKjUpfD5ONU6fdBDdybhYN8KoN4tJpBJvuONbhPduN/m9wEL +WxUfk2IHftEF4lQu1FxinHBVvZFP7l/7z+COCCmMgSGXHjpwduTwfTzq7XOaO33UrTU 0dvXCeLxPI5NlSTK9L0LZ5FTT7EvxsRcUJFBSFTLauDL3v9kY7ITi/YVIY4Y+bBV54/m rN6GIw8ptFpFNPWtI0vN2LNQNu5/QFG5qlYpPi52ke9MSDQORTX3LKuIbrDuOSvWXiXt t5xQ== x6mr465074wiv.29.1386893840159; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.242.165 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:17:20 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0C5A368833D25-2164-3FD7@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:17:20 -0500 From: Jeff Krupp To: George Haynes Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tonneau on a Surrey-topped TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darryl Checked the 62 TR4 surrey top, no holes or snaps on door tops. JEFF On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, George Haynes wrote: > Darrell, et al, > Pretty sure my 1965 TR4A did not have button snaps on the doors when I > bought > it in 1985, but I have since installed them and had a standard tonneau > cover > fitted to the car by an upholstery shop. There are numerous lift-a-dot > studs > installed on the base of the backlight frame, with a little cover modifying > required around the frame sides near the doors. It is not as taut as most > tonneau covers but keeps dust and prying eyes out of the car when parked. > George Haynes > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > > List, > If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have > came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a Tonneau > cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure > they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the > List? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jkrupp2441@gmail.com > -- Jeffrey Krupp www.jeffkrupp.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 12 17:34:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C524442F3B for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:34:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5FA40439 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0FDB77017C00A; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mab002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mab002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.29.5]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D2549E000082; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: TR250Driver@aol.com Full-name: TR250Driver Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:26:57 -0500 (EST) To: jkrupp2441@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1386894418; bh=7ad6Jefn+xwsIvbjOLv1UP2cWYUF3d9W8mNdnSHnnog=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W3qeOcZLZ8rVAnMcVvvTbbs4ChkEhtd+Npj2A9w2A4Xshr7yoV5QViwj2A0nfw73S 1YCYzTxHpHcqrd/zy5W9g0cFe7/CM3GsdJ1+tAK7k35Da61Y/2nHlFQ/liTojnIKG5 89T/zVOnGD5OqswKDbpxx/y+4JNqt3f3+GzbYRjg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d52aa545175f0 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tonneau on a Surrey-topped TR4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Guys, Dang! Thanks! I guess I should have thought that out better or at least consulted the List first. Good news is that the holes will be filled as I made the change just in the nick of time. Not that it would have mattered that much but why not make it right. Cheers, Darrell Oh, there are a few Surrey Toped TR4's on UTube and sure enough, no snaps. In a message dated 12/12/2013 7:17:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jkrupp2441@gmail.com writes: Darryl Checked the 62 TR4 surrey top, no holes or snaps on door tops. JEFF ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 13 19:06:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2200C42F54 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:06:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue02.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CB140539 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20131212140636.GEBI16192.cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:06:36 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=jerryvv@roadrunner.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:19514] helo=cdptpa-web10) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 8E/99-14616-80FB9A25; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:50:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 8:50:00 -0500 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, Dave1massey@cs.com Sensitivity: Normal Dec 2013 13:49:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Surrey Top Question for TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My thoughts. The hardtop was an option so I wonder if cars were built from the factory and delivered with only the Hardtop? I also doubt that the holes for the snaps were selectively drilled or stamped depending upon the build sheets. So my guess is that they all came with the snaps on the doors. But that's only my guess. When I restored my 4A and installed the Hardtop I had the holes welded shut as I'd not be using them any longer and I liked the cleaner look of the doors without the snaps. Again only my preference, my car and what I wanted. JVV ---- Dave1massey@cs.com wrote: > No wisdom here but plenty of speculation. > > The rear portion is removable, is it not? If that is the case then there > is the option of removing the rear window and using the car as a full > convertible model including use of a tonneau, I would think. > > Cheers, Darrell > > Dave > > In a message dated 12/11/2013 4:36:27 PM Central Standard Time, > TR250Driver@aol.com writes: > > List, > > If one was to purchase a Surrey Toped 63 TR4 back in the day would it have > > > > came with the holes drilled in the doors and buttons attached for a > > Tonneau > > cover? Obviously one could not be installed. At first I thought sure > > they would be there but now I am uncertain. What say the wisdom of the > > List? > > Thanks, > > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 14:00:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4286942F92 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:00:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1604840511 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:30:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXT00AW1CSSXTN0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:26:57 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "''Triumphs''" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:26:48 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac75CnLrFsa6azSCT0SyVkn2jzu1Jg== Subject: [TR] TR3 Transmission 'dipstick' hole Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net does anyone know the diameter of the fill/dipstick hole on later TR series transmissions. I picked one up with 3 switch bosses so that I could actually hookup my reverse lamp. But the tranny oil fill/dipstick hole is not 'open'. tried searching the archives but didn't have any luck. Thanks Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 15:31:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D538740400 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:31:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639D342FD0 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19572732B1; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ARLhGiXYm2HD; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zora (unknown [184.18.168.182]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4F9F24A0BA; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:09:11 +0000 (UTC) From: "Triumph" To: , "''Triumphs''" References: <03d801cef90a$d1211b00$73635100$@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:09:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Transmission 'dipstick' hole Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I measured my 59 TR3A transmission and it comes out to 13/16 or .8125 inches. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77@frontier.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "CFM-TR" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 3:26 PM To: "''Triumphs''" Subject: [TR] TR3 Transmission 'dipstick' hole > does anyone know the diameter of the fill/dipstick hole on later TR series > transmissions. I picked one up with 3 switch bosses so that I could > actually hookup my reverse lamp. But the tranny oil fill/dipstick hole > is > not 'open'. > > tried searching the archives but didn't have any luck. > > Thanks > > > > > > Carl > > 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6918 - Release Date: 12/13/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 14 16:13:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DB442FB9 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:13:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064D940078 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXT002CMJ55NYW0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:43:59 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "'Triumph'" , "''Triumphs''" References: <03d801cef90a$d1211b00$73635100$@verizon.net> <86848B3325AB48649A3E2AA54D25A5B4@zora> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:43:50 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQHXluhUj1q8j+hazjCHjhFe5LT5GwLMfCBUmiyo8NA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Transmission 'dipstick' hole Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bob - anyone able to confirm? (not that I don't believe you Bob - just following the 'measuring twice' mantra) -----Original Message----- From: Triumph [mailto:tr3abobm77@frontier.com] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 5:09 PM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net; ''Triumphs'' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Transmission 'dipstick' hole I measured my 59 TR3A transmission and it comes out to 13/16 or .8125 inches. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77@frontier.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "CFM-TR" Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 3:26 PM To: "''Triumphs''" Subject: [TR] TR3 Transmission 'dipstick' hole > does anyone know the diameter of the fill/dipstick hole on later TR series > transmissions. I picked one up with 3 switch bosses so that I could > actually hookup my reverse lamp. But the tranny oil fill/dipstick hole > is > not 'open'. > > tried searching the archives but didn't have any luck. > > Thanks > > > > > > Carl > > 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > > Tampa, Florida > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6918 - Release Date: > 12/13/13 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 15:07:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C7540551 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:07:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D5C4054C for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:03:12 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:03:34 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, Second update on my efforts to super-tune a TR4A. Loved the story from Jonmac concerning the efficacy of what I am attempting. Classic!! In the last update, I spoke of how the timing varies significantly, always "jumping" to the advance side. After checking about everything, I determined that all was mechanically and electrically well. Suspecting the dizzy advance mechanism was somehow slipping into advance sporadically, and being the experimental type, I determined to retard the timing. I statically timed the engine, then retarded to 4 degrees BTC, and the engine runs smoother than ever! I can retard more without giving up power under load, but start to get some backfire through the carbs. Running HS6 carbs with "TW" needles and red springs. Mixure nuts are 7 points down, giving me 21 Hg of vacuum at ~800 rpm. I was surprised that retarding would help. Might try coming down a bit more later, adjusting the carbs as needed. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 15:16:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D16742F38 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:16:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF084281B for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:15:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id w20so2634012vbb.19 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 14:12:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ngKgg9Kh0pn13juyJhuiv4MBqfI9uhZJRmb/TtYejkE=; b=LXeapUuTdlX9x9aSxGsk2Hi4K6Bzg1Lv2/3O0CkDxpW4JZWyEPcQza8ZHEx95QadDN 8MCWczshKybcMbN/IrZYqaULiYHAhNiaTvWdoWJtepcR43fUzEBEETSZFGoH8jZ+Vqre L4uNSqdRG5rrowCBkZA04CmK6F2u90NAqokX96+hO0KQvc1TZhblxx9GDaFg3Opsvn0u l+zHNHdHdV+TAo6upqqWV1jwCNHTBqlyXNd5xePiQ18A498UF3t494AVKDNPW16tLG5U IhkX20AQKh5AFlmP5GKRc9/Av62rT24+CqazAGOaow5RJJ6p2N5t/p4vcKI+PJfU6H/z fb0g== fq17mr7126757vec.14.1387145567263; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 14:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.252.131 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 14:12:47 -0800 (PST) References: <86E19A2B-6DC6-440E-8FA1-543634B976E7@genfiniti.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:12:47 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "G.D. Huggins" , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > ... I statically timed the engine, then retarded to 4 degrees BTC, and the > engine > runs smoother than ever!... 40 BTDC is advancing the timing, not retarding. And yes, advancing helps so long as you stop short of pinging. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 15:26:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857D04054C for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:26:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BDE40066 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:22:10 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:22:32 -0600 References: <86E19A2B-6DC6-440E-8FA1-543634B976E7@genfiniti.com> To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Nice catch!! That should be "ATDC".. On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > > ... I statically timed the engine, then retarded to 4 degrees BTC, and the engine > runs smoother than ever!... > > > 40 BTDC is advancing the timing, not retarding. And yes, advancing helps so long as you stop short of pinging. > > Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 20:01:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D524040F for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:01:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B452D403D5 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:00:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id i12so2816399vbh.32 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:57:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9EAG1tZiVRdZGe5o8Nqg4NLHeAxperiwgC68A2t/ct8=; b=qz7qw5Lkd58wxbulDEC+iQlaimZJYC4YukPt0rhBfFOppgGV8wKtB7v0PAo8vLTPuh aoXZ9vB59MC9dZXRicfhl6zZJIC3g8QGw9AiwlwNbK8u2wWHf7y08B6BXqgNmmoByPzE YvHiufPz7AnIbxGoykMje+hPd+3CcsLTQuPiy+9Q61bstfigSiMM5uG5rG+Sb+lSojlA vqg3CR/+B3rZowk2fewIM9pdtjWhm9sKrfBayPQEMWr3t0/kwMelZpBRBYXX2+iiNbI2 miKVMYwW2PGtloudaGwGdL2k1C/aRU2CCoPLRDEnVqkHhIOo0xz3uObG11R6bV3RGY8g QVxw== ut1mr7426886vcb.8.1387162667159; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.252.131 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:57:47 -0800 (PST) References: <86E19A2B-6DC6-440E-8FA1-543634B976E7@genfiniti.com> <27A45BC6-383D-4494-B807-19460F500520@genfiniti.com> <2A7D85A9B2A7482386C0298C6C5EA671@LVVJVVLAPTOP> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:57:47 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "G.D. Huggins" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think the most important number is the advance when everything is 'all in', i.e. at high RPM. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Lucas_Distributor_Advance_Curves_zps03074f01.gif Any retarding you do at idle will, irrespective of how smoothly it runs there, rob you of power at speed. Geo On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It will run smoother but will it have any power @ 4 degrees after TDC? > > -----Original Message----- From: G.D. Huggins > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:22 PM > To: Geo Hahn > Cc: Triumphs > Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 > > > Nice catch!! > > That should be "ATDC".. > > > On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: >> >> ... I statically timed the engine, then retarded to 4 degrees BTC, and the >> > engine > >> runs smoother than ever!... >> >> >> 40 BTDC is advancing the timing, not retarding. And yes, advancing helps >> so >> > long as you stop short of pinging. > >> >> Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 20:36:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A88403FA for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:36:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68057403E0 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:36:13 -0700 (MST) a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:17 a=jRcBPoLnZ2kA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=jZ0QMvjkNTsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=n8UBRS6e0u4A:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=Hqk9H_ReAAAA:8 a=7Nce3A5ClqF6tN5rMWQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RoDsHgzevegA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=SjPjmvP9_5AA:10 a=ZDP+p+2EQUtzekylP04bRw==:117 Received: from [98.155.115.72] ([98.155.115.72:58362] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 68/D6-00725-D647EA25; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 03:33:02 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <86E19A2B-6DC6-440E-8FA1-543634B976E7@genfiniti.com> <27A45BC6-383D-4494-B807-19460F500520@genfiniti.com> <2A7D85A9B2A7482386C0298C6C5EA671@LVVJVVLAPTOP> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:33:00 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac76CsRIivjwvtZFQbG4y7WWbPt9QAAAkkQg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Geo, Where did this chart come from? Do you know what weights and springs were used on each model? Something doesn't seem correct here. Thanks! Johnnie > > I think the most important number is the advance when everything is > 'all in', i.e. at high RPM. > > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Lucas_Distribu > tor_Advance_Curves_zps03074f01.gif > > Any retarding you do at idle will, irrespective of how smoothly it runs > there, rob you of power at speed. > > Geo > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Jerry Van Vlack > wrote: > > > It will run smoother but will it have any power @ 4 degrees after > TDC? > > > > Nice catch!! > > > > That should be "ATDC".. > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, G.D. Huggins > wrote: > >> > >> ... I statically timed the engine, then retarded to 4 degrees BTC, > >> and the > >> > > engine > > > >> runs smoother than ever!... > >> > >> > >> 40 BTDC is advancing the timing, not retarding. And yes, advancing > >> helps so > >> > > long as you stop short of pinging. > > > >> > >> Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 15 21:03:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B1B40441 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:03:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070A7403E2 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:02:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so3017954vea.28 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:59:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WNkNVDHYvHewp5YbYx9v3KPoG/nCp4ADq+T2jF1uasg=; b=d9I5IAwKOk7lEeGGuuSMWEGST0pf+xlraURCMJjfbzuPw068OYQmW9QIPNJAj5JRkA QEEn3nb0F9eE/CPSmg9DASytNY4DHnfTWvhDedtoelMpk5oX1xfjyxmgyWosgffcRkuK yGoav7OchpUWWpX5DHROP69qxlyqBD+h5E7yuRDDKtL70HJwklbxxaQm5ySBjZe+ly+1 Gu3jRfIBQo9VhEXe8c04JG9dg07GRSH4ygBy4dn1h7mXcNsy4kuC/AvrzZJuutx5sprB EfkP5vhSXf5EQcagHoFOJrxD4dR2xLpsRQGRx8ZXAiKkRyNwsgHIyHi+Ay4A78Pd/yLW q8WQ== d11mr7467444vcn.21.1387166365947; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.252.131 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:59:25 -0800 (PST) References: <86E19A2B-6DC6-440E-8FA1-543634B976E7@genfiniti.com> <27A45BC6-383D-4494-B807-19460F500520@genfiniti.com> <2A7D85A9B2A7482386C0298C6C5EA671@LVVJVVLAPTOP> <000301cefa0f$863189d0$92949d70$@rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:59:25 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "John & Pat Donnelly" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John - Here is a more complete version with some detail from someone who knows much more than I: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?81605-Total-Advance/page2 Geo On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > Hi Geo, > > Where did this chart come from? Do you know what weights and springs were > used on each model? Something doesn't seem correct here. > > Thanks! > Johnnie > > > > > > I think the most important number is the advance when everything is > > 'all in', i.e. at high RPM. > > > > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Lucas_Distribu > > tor_Advance_Curves_zps03074f01.gif > > > > Any retarding you do at idle will, irrespective of how smoothly it runs > > there, rob you of power at speed. > > > > Geo > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Jerry Van Vlack > > wrote: > > > > > It will run smoother but will it have any power @ 4 degrees after > > TDC? > > > > > > Nice catch!! > > > > > > That should be "ATDC".. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, G.D. Huggins > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ... I statically timed the engine, then retarded to 4 degrees BTC, > > >> and the > > >> > > > engine > > > > > >> runs smoother than ever!... > > >> > > >> > > >> 40 BTDC is advancing the timing, not retarding. And yes, advancing > > >> helps so > > >> > > > long as you stop short of pinging. > > > > > >> > > >> Geo > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 11:02:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12382403CF for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:02:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D77403A7 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:01:26 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=jRcBPoLnZ2kA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=n8UBRS6e0u4A:10 a=VHHVpAybAAAA:20 a=nUzn9VBcAAAA:20 a=5DuhmRaKC8EUZC2PcCgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=nxpF3oTgeigA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9D/46-11872-43F3FA25; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:58:12 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:58:12 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac76CsRIivjwvtZFQbG4y7WWbPt9QAAAkkQgABz3tSA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Tuning Update 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Where did this chart come from? Do you know what weights and > springs were > used on each model? Something doesn't seem correct here. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to this thread. I created that chart originally, using the numbers from Marcel Chichak's database http://tinyurl.com/m5m46ch But I confirmed as much as I could from other sources, including the factory manuals. Still, I don't guarantee that any of it is strictly correct, especially the application information. I was mostly interested in how the advance curve had changed over the years, and found that the plots were easier to compare than the charts in the books. So the application information in the chart is only a rough guideline, and originally intended for my use only. Then I posted the chart to illustrate a point I was trying to make, and it went viral :) For example, I believe most TR4 actually came with the 40795 distributor, and hence the curve I showed for TR4A. I've got the information on the springs somewhere, but can't lay my hands on it at the moment. AFAIK the weights were the same for all 25D4 distributors. Someday, maybe, I'll get around to checking out what works best on my own engine. I've known for some time that "all it will take" is not necessarily the right answer to ignition timing across the range. The real goal is to line up maximum cylinder pressure with where it will do the most good, which may or may not be limited by preignition. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 21:02:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBAF42F1D for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:02:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E750A42A55 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 03:58:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 03:58:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 03:58:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 33664 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2013 03:58:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387252697; bh=WaaDulDMk4nMsvGaPF+37KphD0vjqup/er0GXDX4GDk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ox0sdNn7eU30uLaWj+j8pN9CMGL0ww3fkicQK0FxZW9A2D1ZTYQFcUjhkO+xB69QEtJzAWg7BS2R65neFKv5XCj8S1uGGJH7WFBIHfKS/WU+jB1bdhWQ11sqBPKFtWXwfKa6vCpmIABzCg0QXRcwX7L5srsXlG0NfoXALH4xbfA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5TUvTvVk1qB+vKohpq4CEnA54WWdzO5Gt2rAscFhrWOkMoGH7CS34qFS7ZfPcJn1XZID44rWV7iOw3o7/lCx0cLtGYp4o9Xg4UdOqe8jQ3pjOBDw+yugxEbi/4fuvuRQDOBa2OHVELLkwQ+DxzfwsyGvNhUlI8eTXlYQs+Ra2H0=; ZireLKI9Z92.sBH3Cys8pzwE7nyfshpvZmAt67DHFqJIH6uCpa9s29vGXI62 pl8pMOP.u7iJrLl5sSdCjCsr9twZuJ0yDN_mIpa7wrGRRnobguXpc9hr32ui tlRw4_I.9M5kyvpcnUIHEcQ9sQQEouvztmi07IuEjHVa7sVwD2qiHV6150l3 sGVNgDqM6IH5.nwZAjqrJCxttVLe8QUO9vA3EAvr0XUxj1xOlR0se3hXWB78 MVomv3bFszQB1Kv8NGm0sosJK3wZaqs7stab8jrCSuHX8cZ8xNurPeqUOgSX FuyTKENPVekKSqu95tHivv.7XVaKvW4cxdFhSvaUL8bPd4EgjbWtDFcoW0dU hGx7ohE_G.ch7QnVacXOKZHr80GHGEAjIX3avz0f243DEKxaE9pEaWV9FKpi fJxewQj1jiW6tiDGH14PZDJfWd2Qw9paeMsBvaw1ixJN4SshRWO9VYF.QYj_ 1EA2ITllb.1nN7F_OUzZMO8LjuA9wp5Bin1OxkoQbCQAr3ImYaglRl2pjrSm vwEZm4XAdGX5UPwB8 Received: from [99.101.58.88] by web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:58:16 PST SEVMUCEhISBJJ20gYXQgbXkgd2l0cyBlbmQhISDCoEkgZG9uJ3QgaGF2ZSB0b28gbWFueSB3aXRzIGxlZnQgc28gSSBjYW4ndCB1c2UgdGhlbSBhbGwgdXAgb24gdGhpcyBjYXI6KSkgwqBBZnRlciB0aGUgVFI2IHNwZW50IHNpeCB3ZWVrcyBpbiBhIGxvY2FsIHJlcGFpciBzaG9wIChzYWlkIHRvIGJlIGFibGUgdG8gZml4IGFueXRoaW5nIGJ5IHNvbWUgZ3V5IGluIHRoZSBncm9jZXJ5IHBhcmtpbmcgbG90KSB0aGlzIHN1bW1lciBnZXR0aW5nIHRoZSBjYWxpcGVycywgcGFkcywgTWFzdGVyIGN5bGluZGVyLCABMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] More help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net HELP!!! I'm at my wits end!! I don't have too many wits left so I can't use them all up on this car:)) After the TR6 spent six weeks in a local repair shop (said to be able to fix anything by some guy in the grocery parking lot) this summer getting the calipers, pads, Master cylinder, rear brake cylinders replaced, I get it home, drive it for a week (maybe) and it reverts back to the very first trouble I had with it THE DAY I BOUGHT IT! That being drive it a while and the clutch pedal goes limp and the car won't go into any gear. So I checked the fluid in the clutch MC and it was at the bottom of the reservoir so I filled it back up, noting that the fluid that remained before filling was nearly black. I know that right there means something, but I forget what. Since I first got the car 15 years ago I have learned to pump the clutch pedal a few times before starting the engine. Probably just a fetish I have but it works. Called my local British car mechanic and told him about it all and he suggested replacement of both clutch master and slave cylinders. (Of course, why didn't I think of that), Anyway, I mentioned thrust washers which another local TR6 guy had mentioned. Brit mechanic tells me that if they are worn out-and in the oil pan it means the crankshaft needs grinding/resurfacing and that just replacing thrust washers would be futile. We're talking MONEY here guys. Anyway, I purchased EVERY SIZE thrust washer that Rimmer Brothers sells. Haven't done the crank movement test yet,,,,,I'm old, can only take so much B.S. a day. So,,,,opinions?? Oh yeh, I have been following the progress of my surface rust at various places on the car and decided to sand, prime and spray on some enamel on the hood and where the fender meets it. There is much more to be done. The Brit mechanic says I can get the proper paint (French Blue, 1974) from NAPA. I have a pancake air compressor and he suggested that I go to Harbor Freight and buy a cheap spray gun and I could do most of the painting myself. I'm no dummy (or maybe I am) but it seems like that is too easy. I can do it, what I already did wasn't a big deal but,,,,opinions? Also missing some teeth on my ring gear but so far I can live with that. If the engine comes out we're going all the way and I'm not sure just which way I want to or can afford to go. The local TR guy who had completely restored his '74 said it had a Kent cam etc. and was getting close to 200hp. That would be nice but I know there are many options out there. I just want the damned thing to be drivable RELIABLY! With an air conditioner,,,,,it's HOT here in Florida!! :)) Thanks for your patience reading my sad story of woe:)) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 22:48:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8AF42F8C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:48:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD57E429B9 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:48:09 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=7BYnnMEOe3kA:10 a=9X9Gzx2I6MLZdMTU9w4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 91/13-11872-3D4EFA25; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:44:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Summers'" , Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:44:52 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac763GaERLeDOO8JTO+jfmgJg1DtUgAC6JkA Subject: Re: [TR] More help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > noting that the fluid that > remained before > filling was nearly black. I know that right there means > something, but I > forget what. Frequently, it means that the fluid you are using is not compatible with the seals. While changing (or just rebuilding) the MC & slave, be sure to flush the nasty black stuff out with brake solvent or methanol, then refill with either Castrol brand or DOT 5. > Brit > mechanic tells me > that if they are worn out-and in the oil pan it means the > crankshaft needs > grinding/resurfacing and that just replacing thrust washers > would be futile. Most often, the block will need some attention as well. > Haven't done the crank movement > test yet,,,,,I'm > old, can only take so much B.S. a day. So,,,,opinions?? Do the test. Most likely, it will be just fine. Repeat every year or two, until you get a feel for how fast the washers are wearing. They can be really badly worn before they fall out, so no need to test more often than that. Not that big a deal to change them, as long as the engine wasn't run without one of them. > I can do it, what I > already did wasn't a > big deal but,,,,opinions? If you are pleased with the result, then it's that easy. I always seem to wind up with orange peel, or fish eyes, or some damn thing, (last time, a horde of gnats were irresistibly attracted to the wet paint) so I just take mine to One Day Paint and let them deal with it. > I just want the damned thing to be drivable RELIABLY! Seems to me that the best path to reliability is to drive it on a regular basis. Fix whatever breaks and drive it some more. These cars were never particularly reliable (by today's standards) even when new. So, even if you get it perfectly restored, it will still break from time to time. It helps if you accept that as "normal". Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 07:21:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1859C42F89 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:21:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FF94054C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W44 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:13:21 -0800 From: marty To: John Summers , Triumph List Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:13:20 -0500 References: <1387252696.5523.YahooMailNeo@web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[241F2300:01CEFB32] Subject: Re: [TR] More help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net etc being the key word in that sentence. :) . The local TR guy who > had completely restored his '74 said it had a Kent cam etc. and was getting > close to 200hp. Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 07:57:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AC642FD5 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:57:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1DC42EFB for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:43088] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C0/81-08130-1B060B25; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:33:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:33:21 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: John Summers , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1387252696.5523.YahooMailNeo@web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] More help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/16/2013 10:58 PM, John Summers wrote: > HELP!!! I'm at my wits end!! John, First the clutch. Black means your seals are shot. I would remove the MC and SC and rebuild/replace. Flush out the lines with alcohol as Randal suggested. Also replace the plastic line with a SS one from Ted S. ( http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/ ) At this time it is also a good idea to replace the plastic oil pressure line with a SS line from Ted S. I went with Dot 5 but it is not necessary. The fact that your thrust washers are bad or dropped into the pan will not make your clutch fluid go black. If your TW have dropped into your pan, your crank may be shot. ALso it is possible that the rear most end cap may also be shot which means a new block. (Caps are drilled to match the block and a new cap would have to be drilled accordingly.) I would check your end float asap. If it is out of spec., remove the oil pan and check to see if the washers have dropped out. If so, pull the engine and maybe a complete rebuild is in order. Rebuilding a 6 engine is not that hard if all the existing engine parts/block is in decent shape. Get an engine stand and get a hold of an expert such as Wishbone ( http://www.wbclassics.com/ ) for advice and good parts. There are others but Wishbone was very helpful with my 72 rebuild. As far as power upgrades, I have no advice. The only thing I did with my 6 was replace the ZS carbs with Hitachi SU HS6 and added an electronic fuel pump. Rest is stock. The HS6 upgrade was not for power but for reliability and my knowledge of ZS carbs is zero. Goodparts ( http://goodparts.com/ ) are a good source of upgrade parts/advice. I have rebuilt both 3/4 engines and a 6 and I have to say that the 6 is much easier. Good luck. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 20:24:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF61942F55 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 20:24:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA3C42A55 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:44:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 19:13:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.207] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 19:13:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2013 19:13:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 21938 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2013 19:13:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387307586; bh=sZW31ronzOpG/IUDweGbSGEOUWtFuScbReigSNavwhg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fBYEv76edt8bEbCTR0pJvaQ9UHlr32tQzQn8hbrgz7qsWhihgLVwvOAmxGB4BE9Ijcoq3F5fl3913MjHL16GrUkmVRQqrSoocbwwAKtEjv8xMpGDwZzCtEMM1xXvpz3YZuKE8oznbgydZV40XAOggSznBUNPVijl1GLNh7zzskU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a3IRCvovaK1kUXvUogoxJR2z2yoGFqPoBDpCr+wehOsffpYMO/oBq4O1X2z/zLD+bM7tU4Tx1Alcmj9hBIAu4s1uVeYMij3t5IFo3ShHptHWGoUCpPrnOy+RoF+92HlLxfKEjApHSyvNwIV5WBkgjNJ/Pt7dWsMbE+6F8AT8pOU=; PXTHOom2SbCHSe1hda.2tXR_2tm.Pl1q4meXRdxV3._a9wt6IfR46HJUxwgm wDxsqtons5fT.5vJhvqTL51xhPfk.cd0Xz9ZHR0WbNsT4JSIAp9i1aZhqKGN gdLiGCtIdhVcrVYxOCtLxkW8Isig0LOsNLJT3W8.zkkRGQU7Jxb5FvKawbiv fFYnJrc9CExRFrSPPSClIASxP_LH09cL1s163MMCLo7T4aS3oOlbaei1WY.T Ha07vxZ.eZdL6VI7D_t53vq9ks_lhHf0WIW2j0lv_Cnd3VTc9iMZ342EVgZo uurnoFlelDnDSu2f3I55zbifbZKL3SLBEiaCDVR.IgsXIECrKEEVvv._sE9A 3jS4msJza3FaM3RUm_IiqPEu9q7pt2NS1wx8yqhZZfn._xK.1xdMK2t4DQum ltj7xP124KHhHkNKkZRJ4X45HjdYf78WuUKQ70dWpEzIVOMa1nK5R1Z.yw1R uLsq6HIoiwNPuqfNB5Pv28b9rNIn9WrpoSpmxp2zuxygqH_I9.OBuLBtyLbI nnsopA2sy2NWL22h3 Received: from [99.101.58.88] by web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:13:06 PST WWVzLCBBIEJJRyBUSEFOSyBZT1UgdG8gYWxsIHdobyBnYXZlIGFkdmljZS4gwqBJdCBpcyBNVUNIIGFwcHJlY2lhdGVkISEhISDCoEkgaGF2ZSBkZWFsdCB3aXRoIEdvb2RwYXJ0cyBhbmQgVFNJIGJlZm9yZSBhbmQgd2lsbCBjaGVjayBvdXQgdGhlIHdlYiBzaXRlcyBvZiB0aGUgb3RoZXJzIHlvdSBvZmZlcmVkLiDCoEkgdXNlZCB0byBiZSBhIG1lbWJlciBvZiBTaXggUGFjayBzbyBJIGhhZCBiZXR0ZXIgcmUtam9pbiwgaHVoPyDCoApUaGFua3MgYWdhaW46KSkBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:13:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Great information, Thanks. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, A BIG THANK YOU to all who gave advice. It is MUCH appreciated!!!! I have dealt with Goodparts and TSI before and will check out the web sites of the others you offered. I used to be a member of Six Pack so I had better re-join, huh? Thanks again:)) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 13:06:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EF543053 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:06:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAC142B12 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E28BA0916 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:14:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:14:27 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Reindeer sighting in Pandora, Ohio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=169 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 21:04:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D678442F27 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 21:04:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9376142798 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:48:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2013 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2013 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2013 01:47:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14366 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2013 01:47:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387417651; bh=M7VmQFiJ8Uj81GPnifr+pt2tqgs42ev0OrlDoRKwqr4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d0vwxrhOhn5fdLau1/pcxsXgGsS1YpjJvoMnTS52V1R9VFD+51tpp89h0wtx/KEeOsLHxKlGqK6Ad1MbJIJOrxwzgcb7S2jeKvzO7GzdfhM8knbvqqUVukekD642k2pofaDapgcpuJW8GnwJx3dQt3GKwJxQXUq+4hkxpXrobh4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wKq6j/aTXfM41ww7s9BP4LgywjXAJEAjnPOT0e1pULyWmYPn7Voxf32bTxKIR4bN/KqwKrcXm6Ljhg3YCzNPUTmvp+xMx1fvgkNFP+Ckermv7K42CVOWFSBbEuTeSekfW2UKvQo3pLdUXPMcKaRWKwYZ1lj6wg0QqPJq2c7gRVo=; RSVz_tCMtYM.o_6VbFk52ub.RdapWzFjGeKrfb.P38kWga607mhESCyJoQO4 IeRmJMgUn75_85TLgnHT.MVoqqTYRYBmlWrVRCC6Z3.UyX2Z5ExyeBs1_evY 9DHyLfWsgmxhW35WyzZ0WJMZDZmnGS6XK28iqN_5SzmW5N_8stRYd.5rh68w pjtZAHNpQkUVDn_P4lPo0Khx2xknJBSPqM_C7l55v7C8ZppyCrr0A8PSW8NR 5EIlRPnHYW.7_mAKvKUDav51NqNkKuJcBWsL.JseUHtirX4SdmEiKIa8TfLI _1xlFpEcIKA1jyzh3JUeM.uF2jGM_KBJTXh4BX2L02J8GwwrflO2wcVK7u1w V5wqRlnxAJFxo4j9P93k5SnfxLZemrsIlHxCb9l3B8CnE87fvcZogrKnOewM yi3jyym7oHFnFyQeL1RJDpqMZcF.s329xQz7raa9Cmn3dclVw5zJ5.ZVxiNp 0Cgu.eIpK5HCjQ85nLKhMSf3u5x43gLANgWIXC55ulSveEAwAgtfMkNQIpvv 5UqTE4goU9WdW Received: from [65.31.82.194] by web160806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:47:31 PST SGkgYWxsCsKgCkkgYW0gaW50ZW5kaW5nIHRvIHB1bGwgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBpbiBteSBUUiBuZXh0IHdlZWsgYW5kIHNoaXAgaXQgZnJvbSBXaXNjb25zaW4gdG8gTmV3IFlvcmsgZm9yIHJlYnVpbGRpbmcuwqAgRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBleHBlcmllbmNlIHdpdGggdHJhbnNwb3J0IGNvbXBhbmllcyBmb3IgaXRlbXMgbGlrZSB0aGlzP8KgIElzIHRoZXJlIG9uZSB0aGF0IHlvdSB3b3VsZCByZWNvbW1lbmQgb3ZlciBvdGhlcnMgYmFzZWQgb24gcHJpY2Ugb3IgY3VzdG9tZXIgc2VydmljZT8KwqAKVGhhbmsBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Smith To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Shipping an Engine? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all I am intending to pull the engine in my TR next week and ship it from Wisconsin to New York for rebuilding. Does anyone have experience with transport companies for items like this? Is there one that you would recommend over others based on price or customer service? Thanks Steve ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 00:25:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A99342F3F for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 00:25:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.netspeed.com.au (mail.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FABA40325 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:43:56 -0700 (MST) x-ip-name=61.69.24.215; Received: from mcmasterb0b98c (unverified [61.69.24.215]) by netspeed.com.au (SurgeMail 6.3c2) with ESMTP id 9935055-1928045 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:31:12 +1100 From: "John McMaster" To: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:24:21 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac78N4QvoKKx5iSQQ8iY3cZOs4Q5FA== Subject: [TR] DOLOMITE SPRINT WHEEL QUESTION? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Does anyone know the backspace/offset for a Dolomite Sprint alloy wheel? I'm looking for the measurement from centre line of rim to the hub mounting face which is usually expressed as backspace, either positive or negative. Any wheel specifications would be very useful for my Sprint V6 project car.. TIA John Mc "Fast is First" '71 TR6 PI '76 Dolomite 1850 '76 Dolomite Sprint V6 Project ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 00:29:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D300042F33 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 00:29:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361D340046 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MY10084GFX8IX91@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:15:08 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "Steve Smith" , References: <1387417651.79342.YahooMailNeo@web160806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 00:16:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Shipping an Engine? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...surprised as a Triumph you're not sending it to northwest Ohio, Hart Machining... via Ted Schumacher (tsimportedautomotive.com) heck...depending on timing he's even picked up and delivered across the east coast and mid-west :-) We've driven engines out to him from here in MD, and he has delivered them back to us personally. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: [TR] Shipping an Engine? > Hi all > > I am intending to pull the engine in my TR next week and ship it from > Wisconsin to New York for rebuilding. Does anyone have experience with > transport companies for items like this? Is there one that you would > recommend over others based on price or customer service? > > Thanks > Steve > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 15:29:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B9742F2C for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:29:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A804042C for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.68.63]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 3aJR1n00M1MuE8601aJSs8; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:18:27 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:18:26 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac79B5eOL54toOB1REaU0DWLYsxhfw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Various of the parts attached to the firewall (voltage regulator, fuse box, starter solenoid) have associated holes which are filled with - what do I call them? - "things" which then secure the screws which hold the accessories in place. I have more round holes than I have these "things". Does anyone know if they are available (or what they are called) ? Many thanks as always. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 16:18:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142E940424 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:18:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6148E4006F for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:14:15 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=T1orpzUuclIA:10 a=fqEYJ8z6LQZ4lf0P-hYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/7A-00725-0AD73B25; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 23:13:37 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:13:38 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac79B5eOL54toOB1REaU0DWLYsxhfwACAeQA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Various of the parts attached to the firewall (voltage > regulator, fuse box, > starter solenoid) have associated holes which are filled with > - what do I > call them? - "things" which then secure the screws which hold the > accessories in place. I call them "clip nuts", the SPC calls them "nut, spire", and TRF calls them "nut, fix". Are we confused yet? I know I am... Anyway, PN FC2805 and TRF probably has them in stock (unless I got the last of them). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 19:27:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B384296E for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:27:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5372E403F7 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 01:51:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.214] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 01:51:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 01:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 79957 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2013 01:51:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387504292; bh=K0nz/VooWuGO15vHFoDtJcg1iwY37r/CB7jbxtynM1w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KyjjOy6fjXQYsQrqlDNwsfTp/eUFtpa+UT4Uoe5kxlJ+Ia9fMmZzHhUILG6opy+oC6l6jRGXk0RE7llHF8wuJ13vLO7YgzmphReC7b4nOWqIF2OY3mdGn+ShaQmMbuFIJ4XXyf/I0sJGehzNwn9Dih0kkPNnHCSOvdCX+cpTxFU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U8axG4InMSumfptoq+fGxdxDfuHlreMvxMV16EGlfz6RIk/QIQ1E2rIGB9761gmMN5KrO5u/lOMdqFFmhP6xXWcX6Cbou7JsfP954C1kKZc18rexJ+sqoVteay2yPLoXKOJv38snq37X1qWcxbVJskSNUoNrPE8EXHVZSwbuISI=; 00oXqs3ofxzAL4nUvDT9h8HN9p.0dT3txODuliwJur2ONIrTHyjR3h2m9xP5 5XFCFJozNco7JS24yT23UjpuUmdsX1xDfYOmdg4uDtDGgHS2VSQbw1uG8hkh x9JFN05G9n8vPeH5caDBNGfkugLrG4rupgVA_8t.zO3OuJ_A_OF_ihr.DhUZ 6j1I8OhophO4itAqP1GlI1avV.uCZ_ir6QSrePDj3Ve9h8OvGFYQp5ykAg85 rfmiCkBOhEWCmp7ccOTzEFt1jzOvQuYoxON5vXB5tf5qWFVeV2AIUozni.eD tDypHsn1rLE6spXg8DCnpAEUJqRjLEoxxtlGTv1YxuJ3JGMNF04RQsne.Y83 rF3gz03klQQjhvX_2T1lEbIJ7TYu0iz1li0t3ZspFfJ.1mQODXNP.qeL_HwD iw6YgW5AQ1xv5npb0DeerCSf6PfYbTYyg0_qrAX7.PzcmwzQdRUK4YiK_amf 7HTJkutljlFrrAfwJODlOmepYiXU9.YlhusUw.Up0XNU1IJiJbCyrcPEoBfw W6UMP9z5OVuq_NZ9Mttq8waKykSu4TS0dsBhiXOabd_W0N9_sf2P2643WfjK iXL5ExWL85RWe Received: from [65.31.82.194] by web160804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:51:32 PST SGkgYWxsClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgYWxsIG9mIHRoZSBhZHZpY2UuwqAgSSB3aWxsIHRyeSBZZWxsb3csIEkgaGFkIHRob3VnaHQgb25seSBvZiBVUFMgYW5kIEZlZEV4IEdyb3VuZC7CoCBJIGhhdmUgaGVhcmQgZ29vZCB0aGluZ3MgYWJvdXQgVFNJIGJ1dCBoYXZlIGEgbG9uZyByZWxhdGlvbnNoaXAgd2l0aCBXaXNoYm9uZSBDbGFzc2ljcyBhbmQgSSdtIHZlcnkgY29tZm9ydGFibGUgd2l0aCB0aGVtLCBLYWkgaGFzIGdvbmUgd2VsbCBvdXQgb2YgaGlzIHdheSBpbiB0aGUgcGFzdCB0byBoZWxwIG1lIHdpdGggbXkBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:51:32 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Smith To: "spook01@comcast.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Shipping an Engine? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all Thanks for all of the advice. I will try Yellow, I had thought only of UPS and FedEx Ground. I have heard good things about TSI but have a long relationship with Wishbone Classics and I'm very comfortable with them, Kai has gone well out of his way in the past to help me with my car, on no promise of business, many times he's directed me at more suitable (and less costly) solutions than I've dreamed up myself. I'm already looking forward to next summer! Thank you all and best wishes Steve On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:58 AM, "spook01@comcast.net" wrote: Either build yourself a very sturdy reuseable case for it, or just strap the used engine to a pallet covered in plastic. Be sure its completely drained of all fluids, and rinse out the cooling with water. Then it can be shipped via any motor freight such as yellow, etc. I've bought and sold engines that way over the years. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Steve Smith" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Shipping an Engine? Date: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:47 pm Hi all I am intending to pull the engine in my TR next week and ship it from Wisconsin to New York for rebuilding. Does anyone have experience with transport companies for items like this? Is there one that you would recommend over others based on price or customer service? Thanks Steve ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 19:55:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8047B42F07 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:55:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EE34032A for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:35:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.66.241]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 3ebP1n00C5CKHr201ebQ3j; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:35:26 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , References: <00dd01cefd08$423a3640$c6aea2c0$@uprichard.net> <1387496973.91236.YahooMailNeo@web141402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:35:24 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIQDp47oimqicO9+eko3zkZzVDBWgFFp8SlmdANQnA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Nope - not speed nuts. And not caged nuts or grommets either. They have two loops on the back and help secure , for example the regulator. I think Randall understands what I am talking about, but I still can't find any listed. Andrew From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:50 PM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question do you need more things or are you just trying to fill up the holes? you will have more holes when finished than you need things. i think your things might be speed nuts. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-961-310?seid=srese1 &gclid=COne1_y7vbsCFQlrfgodN1EAjw Frank On Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:26 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: Various of the parts attached to the firewall (voltage regulator, fuse box, starter solenoid) have associated holes which are filled with - what do I call them? - "things" which then secure the screws which hold the accessories in place. I have more round holes than I have these "things". Does anyone know if they are available (or what they are called) ? Many thanks as always. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 20:37:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD4A4044C for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:37:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D6C4006F for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3eyS1n0071HpZEs01fL1GM; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:20:01 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3fL01n0020dYjAz8afL0xJ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:20:00 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00dd01cefd08$423a3640$c6aea2c0$@uprichard.net> <1387496973.91236.YahooMailNeo@web141402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <010901cefd2c$28554bb0$78ffe310$@uprichard.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:20:00 -0800 Thread-Index: AQIQDp47oimqicO9+eko3zkZzVDBWgFFp8SlmdANQnCAAAyq0A== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1387509601; bh=XHDajGQBIUXSRHDgCvTDJnhVJln0pI+Ch3g1//qLw2E=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GgkinKfSOelJw6QGvjLKZyLqAdai5Mq3ySFgeJmqqRibdzgH/yuYkaC+nMX2us4wR QkJE29EK6s/WGbwd5ieLSfMZXiOb2+91BBXOzaeGzLyL8nerLiznGNmJiXuKWIE3Eo KO/dXOwUAnGnGclgFMlHhmEBU2ManmhSMdhXJX+Lq1b6faqUFuZhaoVNgiDCSOHuPt rrtcQ1RBmQ0v4C/M5KWgz0pCYqp24hBwarEoV+9CuWwS5c6/7MTknY4v+aedYbpXyt xmowTPM4VvNyboiEYsM+nJ0bD6d6LTaYZuDyNrQNckCCQPOw74SLp182w258lFfnwT 868FDAcent7QQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You don't mean these "clip on nuts", do you: http://www.mcmaster.com/#clip-on-nuts/=pvtf1g Bob -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:35 PM To: 'Frank Fisher'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question Nope - not speed nuts. And not caged nuts or grommets either. They have two loops on the back and help secure , for example the regulator. I think Randall understands what I am talking about, but I still can't find any listed. Andrew From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:50 PM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question do you need more things or are you just trying to fill up the holes? you will have more holes when finished than you need things. i think your things might be speed nuts. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-961-310?seid=srese1 &gclid=COne1_y7vbsCFQlrfgodN1EAjw Frank On Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:26 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: Various of the parts attached to the firewall (voltage regulator, fuse box, starter solenoid) have associated holes which are filled with - what do I call them? - "things" which then secure the screws which hold the accessories in place. I have more round holes than I have these "things". Does anyone know if they are available (or what they are called) ? Many thanks as always. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 06:31:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0599942F19 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 06:30:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22D940078 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 06:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY178-W2 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 20 Dec 2013 05:11:54 -0800 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Andrew Uprichard , Triumph List Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:11:53 -0600 References: <00dd01cefd08$423a3640$c6aea2c0$@uprichard.net>, <1387496973.91236.YahooMailNeo@web141402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <010901cefd2c$28554bb0$78ffe310$@uprichard.net> FILETIME=[0E029110:01CEFD85] Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall has the right part number - you can see a picture of it in the Standard Triumph Hardware catalog http://tidentenn.com/pdf/Standard%20Triumph%20Hardware%20Catalog.pdf I see Revington has them listed, Moss Europe shows them too if TRF is out. > From: auprichard@uprichard.net > To: yellowtr3@yahoo.com; triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:35:24 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 question > > Nope - not speed nuts. And not caged nuts or grommets either. They have > two loops on the back and help secure , for example the regulator. I think > Randall understands what I am talking about, but I still can't find any > listed. > > > > Andrew ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 14:16:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717E542F39 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:16:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3A4E42F07 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:12:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 21:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.139] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 21:11:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2013 21:11:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 38698 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2013 21:11:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387573917; bh=a0q29OBtTbgdWNZxI+Y2fBU+oGyNr7ApI7Ym0Bvg7IE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OVJxsWe5uiHubcpajL5K2nW1003OFqyrwm7AAk8v5u7Rzbv3Zu1sjDkAlt+RrZAGb1Wdpv4NXS0aoWU6qfsifE1DpTBFlCjsKXrHe8g8pv2CyZAi+mZNOc3G+g9VQaQ7SLG41wZprfqWIqWfeHW6F1y/1Y4ZRRa93EPQFOaoSiM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NHogyK+juiNEj6rWIPNdwYWCbT1okWqXg6uxVlSbLIevGp8GPtGoo+S7/PcPhsPWqytggvxaw4SrXcKYrD1Vh4LiJqjOCQNatnVUMKXeNqBNpWXQW6Gqb6yilTFpQz36RZrgbjBC7MdUDduJ98agVghMlVj7P+Si8rzWW9/smUY=; h9fcJA9JUqYWgMyOsRHfWHkEgAHgbzOyyfbf9x9MyWz3WgiLyn6t2g_RuPoF 1s0h.Ks2lOWxg46vK2qkBwZCnI4yQ.mzdKeqJxrcUCGaGtmKw0ZZyKQzrAl4 nyfzETgbq3WbpXY2WyACHjqvi6_AdTXwOhQj7y7Va.zlUzwT1nKCadOLj2tv tSowh8wdER1tZrV.arnOO4RFqQURaDE25iVvxgOgVFRmr0_QmAJ4AyVDga0. QuhlXsO2uHJg4zvCR8gQQLt_OdcnBVumVIjib9WCiqtKKWmV3801CzXVajts lsVc_7lDe_DJbIZMFZCjQPVYCOleAqoNEAWqosjsF7SYbEwDnF.EJ1UT4VGw yAdL9D2H3a_nMVlzqYFhSLJbmqcRWg6__fw56iouuqCamcQSvXiMBXNfsmMb emZ2sp5gXh9ClqZRPRnGjygBsU98gBNq9hA.M1NtaEvc8Z3zymjC2vTAaxzg qymk8gPBOPRTdYZPUDSfT7_.a5so2xUm36Rn6g_9jLHOzmJLnBULZRfgFThB _m5OXITbrqGGm5xzMBa85bEqcXGA- Received: from [108.240.213.203] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:11:57 PST wqAgwqAgwqBTbyBJIGhhdmUgdHdvIG9pbCBwdW1wcyBmb3IgbXkgVFIzLiBPbmUgbG9va3MgbGlrZSB0aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgMTk2MCBvaWwgcHVtcCAoZnJvbSBteSBsYXN0IHJlYnVpbGQpLiBUaGUgY2xlYXJhbmNlcyBvbiBpdCBhcmUgd2F5IG91dCBvZiBzcGVjLiBNeSBzZWNvbmQgcHVtcCBpcyBhIG5vbmRlc2NyaXB0IHB1bXAgdGhhdCBJIGJvdWdodCBuZXcgb2ZmIG9mIEViYXkgYXQgYSBiYXJnYWluIHByaWNlLiBJdCBoYXMgZ29vZCBjbGVhcmFuY2VzIGFuZCBtYWRlIGdvb2QgcHJlc3N1cmUgaW4gbXkBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Oil Pump Lessons Learned Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I have two oil pumps for my TR3. One looks like the original 1960 oil pump (from my last rebuild). The clearances on it are way out of spec. My second pump is a nondescript pump that I bought new off of Ebay at a bargain price. It has good clearances and made good pressure in my last engine, but I found that the rotor isn't pinned to the shaft. Here is a list of miscellaneous info that I have learned from the experience thus far: 1. I tried to drill through the rotor and shaft to put in an allen head set-screw. It dulled the Harbor Freight titanium coated bits immediately. 2. I took it to work and gave it to the machinist. A cobalt drill bit in a mill wouldn't drill through it. He said forget about trying to tap it as well. 3. For kicks I put the newer oil pump cylinder in the original oil pump. The clearances were out of spec. The pump housing didn't appear too worn. It is conceivable that the original pump just wasn't made that well. 4. My second (newer) pump had 8.8 mm metric bolts holding it together instead of British standard threads like the original. That might be a warning sign. 5. I ordered a pump rebuild kit from British Parts Northwest. It came with the pinned shaft. I went to install it in the newer housing and the assembly (rotor and cylinder) is 0.117" longer than the pump housing. I took it to work and turned it down on a lathe to clearance. 6. I tried the pump rebuild kit in the original old 1960 housing and the cylinder fits very loosely and out of spec. 7. There is a guy named Steve Yott who makes new oil pump rotors where the shaft goes through the impeller and out the bottom of the oil pump housing. This supports the shaft/impeller on both ends. Racers use this and some street cars as well. It was a little outside my price range at about $250 + a new oil pump. It is a good idea though and I commend him on his engineering. 8. I wouldn't use any oil pump where the rotor isn't pinned to the shaft. 9. Knowing what I know now I would have just bought a new pump from BPNW. I would still check it to make sure that the impeller is pinned to the shaft. -Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 19:51:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A56F42F24 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:51:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A1F742B1A for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm36.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.203] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 02:25:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 02:25:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387592701; bh=VQI6xRauZWr1vzF/raX1SxeJS8B9r6oBpRI6WKaMZMk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=iADPYCL3lvWG5sP5U96LU5eC0JNu65J3ZccFYqsIEdGTxjfVNrUSFl1VcBl4pfUrcPNGsDEW0oeotZONptWxzGJieiTss3aMJQUR7CitAopUlwCXea/TD1HdBxh2QvACfgAT1gqG6YWXpzPsKJ4KgxmH9fsxRKWArqieGokgKL4= gHKcNuPU9tgLSSuEqpyKrWFZY9_KEZGYPtE_l.tvM0hPa0PFNkU5FcO6AEbk 5swpc_CuaX1KjlJB0QeMK2rnHKfqnAqWnNi7LuT3uUzTFDbhDq2_71hCfd12 jM2yv0Ru3wbIIcasR0skkzmjwsKJ61wwlxO4PCCFJsBlF6VS6f973cAzF1_C 1ZTXd5zKOuBTlYYzo1NZ4UMh8dPnlfRjOm1uufHcdFyYsLoDOFK8MvQqa23m KeSxxaPVTOkidKIg8nihz2BT0WalBarRIFDmDASdT59OPPSwr7XFplAAqrNP gkSlBtsyAqrt6rg6YFDnCLykgrhL9TOUC.f6w.Y2kEYyKHi6538QkSjsviMT AhFzAptxYaTryvcLactEikAdm9UMZcNL0kQj1V9whU7xnk0wNF.4ZuTbl5zb A6xCn1a8diR.OByGyNaq8W6apkkmect6qRh2yw_IpBfKaddbtAbEcmnn6CH4 d0Uwjt9QvWabeQ3PgSoyMQKeGfiUqrVBqJkncSbYnKiK7zZw282mly3urchz nhOBAk5wUpOBYfA-- xymcookie [66.196.81.168]) by smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 02:25:01 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:25:00 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, Does anyone use synthetic gear oil in the transmission and/or differential of their TRs? Any comments on the pros and cons of using synthetic oil? Thanks. John DeLuca 1965 TR4A in restoration ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 20:03:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55BD42F2C for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:03:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC8E42F1B for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 43121n00R2QmmGk013128t; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:01:03 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <1B5CAE50-10C2-492B-9D11-644CDE63C3CA@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:58:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net imho there is nothing superior to redline mtl. itbs more expensive, but you will be able to tell the difference -----Original Message----- From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:25 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Hello List, Does anyone use synthetic gear oil in the transmission and/or differential of their TRs? Any comments on the pros and cons of using synthetic oil? Thanks. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 21:36:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0470742F3C for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:36:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF4242F07 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:28:52 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=F69mD9YB4PAA:10 a=CVzbL-DxkNX_F5O4bS8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 74/F8-21976-7D815B25; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:28:07 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:28:09 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac79920hNm/O7oInTVSXSw5n/gnfVwAC+23g Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does anyone use synthetic gear oil in the transmission and/or > differential of > their TRs? Any comments on the pros and cons of using synthetic oil? I've been using Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in all my Triumph diffs for a long time. The diff in my 59 TR3A was already well worn when it came to me in 1984. 20 years and perhaps 200,000 miles later, it wasn't any worse. ISTR I changed the pinion seal once, but otherwise it was still working fine when the car got wrecked. More recently, I switched to using Redline MT-90 in the transmissions and overdrives. It improved the synchro action, and so far no problems, at least not that I attribute to the oil. I have had a few failures, but they clearly had other causes. But I wouldn't use a synthetic in the transmission that wasn't designed for a synchronized transmission. Reportedly some of the gear oils on the market are too slick and interfere with synchro operation (which requires a certain level of metal-to-metal friction). Only "con" I see is increased cost. The MT-90 in particular is worth shopping around for, as prices vary quite a bit. Compared to the cost of new synchro rings, it's a bargain. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 23:00:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE63D42F35 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 23:00:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7604442F19 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 05:56:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 05:56:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 05:56:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387605414; bh=RaSNVZ/fzebguIqZ4gOJoEnw5X8G4Q7SNPpQ186X0bM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=ROx71Mx5Tga2wYW4T3N6biBIo/5WxV17rieotNmzKoYYsn1TVBxV13wIWeWsPvNqIt5gL8buOHqjPtrQfMvIDcKCQXE/Kn0vshKkDf7umpnW6fjtkBWi9OqDcOfLcIhvwEMz93RiJwpDjWz7it2uvJ2L2l6Hp+FAir0XoTXMQN0= D3lb239hWe94MRhjgacBa9aK6NL54m.OvmCc.tfFRGTN9clBXJWrGDQgXqDg 6p.c9HqQ4JpVfDSa9Eg0ZKsW.7s13YMHqVi3rbr4Ogtn30SeO_pHL19Of6V. 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The old TR3 crashbox is still no race winner but much smoother all around. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:25 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Hello List, Does anyone use synthetic gear oil in the transmission and/or differential of their TRs? Any comments on the pros and cons of using synthetic oil? Thanks. John DeLuca 1965 TR4A in restoration ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 13:17:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809C84303B for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:17:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64CD403FB for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.143]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8E09B7000009D for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mhd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.66]) by mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2155538000081 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:43:22 -0500 (EST) References: <1B5CAE50-10C2-492B-9D11-644CDE63C3CA@sbcglobal.net> <9B4377B235DE4C959E985DD466E359B0@bboffice> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 69.195.60.248 by webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.242) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:43:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:43:21 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387655002; bh=dilAX8UtOcfc4/U1Hgmyoz74Eu8Pswod4tJIyTRDHQw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ajvUvsNVl9Il/HyOSZTW/e9ZGY28k9XZ9GlfgMnW80oPA3AcUmXCo9vOmI2tTmgrv vSIoqgOJRqkaP7utvcl3orwxUyCfVFW/M3IwmsTa6gBat9xW/EWx2IS9S9f5HS4Rdn HV6QV30AV20v0zGxzYPQ+uQyIacgl6QED5SuEpvM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add8f52b5ef5a6230 Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Add my vote for the Red Line MT-90. In a worn Herald gearbox, I saw a significant improvement. It's no magic cure, of course, but that box shifts much better and generally with much less grinding with the MT-90. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: wbeech I change to Red Line MT90(?), instantly could tell the difference in shifting. The old TR3 crashbox is still no race winner but much smoother all around. Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 13:28:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D641430FB for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:28:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (unknown [216.39.63.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF15D43015 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 20:12:56 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.231] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 20:12:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 20:12:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 91592 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2013 20:12:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387656776; bh=lOSd3qBdu9TDEYO1SDGccKVRQWbL1DU/z6cpUfyNr7Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IjpbJjjX5yiGXNWpHXKt6mj1gR5ZseZeIjmHkpelFatgeKFQzYPjUDXFmXj0sWhmw+ILPpXJx64H/ek6lzukB0TSrCO7I3DYyjh8pkO9yGl2WqmSaFPNuyx+D9eMaJ6DWXWIAfV+e5a6ivNfYLv9DF1aTgAk5dv3yKwPLtSdqAY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U4CBtVeuqJSC/JV0Iu28ht9TTj+SUuIzMc8pc/m5jW74ZZy2lonMSFp9OPdN+/WBZkFcvkeNniWysczKbWokMTy+3x48j7dQWCP64e4s/qKcuBJgXF18A2iWatkfiaaxTH4CcHs1b44t01kWl6ws8epbqNxtHxEOcm5FjI0akN8=; XFihVdOL_RdP9hMnynaP4FvsmmiEOe7TbYfF88mmCjMeWuxd.C2yHIMSuMkS VBprZu_DVD5Er81rXtcHnYClfFeHTJql9Q6NVzl32pLqkO0DZu7lu9qUlyQ. v11i7k1FsJ_KvEJrgzxxBdc9q9EeyO.glS1LwFf_emgclimI4Pm5xY22NYQ8 kdmXUBped2U6BA0FgEkGDra7A08BLK2ltJUjeuMnHwkUL_TUdTJagPU5cnov TLlBm2OQUgyRyC2P4CPvS9VgUEL94MzODt7JxfJWahBWq9OGI7iOzD2BY4b8 VRsg.R66zx3xeBwoi9WqA6dGObv7IMNx3pnugfwuEG3Yvy0uLYxeQwqTOQjb BbPONX2F0hqckegs437OsRTBp4TXwwb4PUCVrDKbRoHxtyFUklZGGGVM4E9n 8_uORikb6.jx4sqmpuWvPlKpnk9_o3ucaV4rSUWTP_Gauz674SZvSkCRti5t r.hGvb_GNP.3pT7TBovJSwMPSONYGsyQ4U6UPaeYkiEmco4Y.CySBm.FOSkw r_89hx3FaEwTI7xi..Sg.2JuDX2A3pO6v Received: from [108.220.119.158] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:12:55 PST wqAgwqAgwqBBd2hpbGUgYmFjayBJIGJvdWdodCBhIEthcyBLYXN0bmVyIGJvb2sgb24gbW9kaWZ5aW5nIFRyaXVtcGhzLiBIZSBoYWQgYSBncmVhdCBpZGVhIHdoZXJlIHlvdSB2ZW50IHlvdXIgY3JhbmtjYXNlIGZyb20gdGhlIG1lY2hhbmljYWwgZnVlbCBwdW1wIGJsYW5raW5nIHBsYXRlIGFuZCB0aGUgdmFsdmUgY292ZXIgdG8gYSBwb3J0IGp1c3QgYmVsb3cgdGhlIGhlYWRlci4gVGhlIHN5c3RlbSB3b3VsZCBiZSBwcm90ZWN0ZWQgYnkgYW4gYW50aS1iYWNrZmlyZSBjaGVjayB2YWx2ZS4gSGUgY2xhaW0BMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Crankcase Evacuation System for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Awhile back I bought a Kas Kastner book on modifying Triumphs. He had a great idea where you vent your crankcase from the mechanical fuel pump blanking plate and the valve cover to a port just below the header. The system would be protected by an anti-backfire check valve. He claimed that if you did that your engine would not develop leaks. It all seemed like a great idea until I realized that on a street car all that would happen is that over time you would fill up your glass pack muffler with oil and probably have a fire... It all got me thinking. What if you put a port in on the crossover piece on the intake manifold? You would vent the valve cover and crankcase to there and the engine vacuum would evacuate the crankcase. Has anyone ever done this? Does something bad happen if you do? My last engine seemed to have a lot of blow by from the oil cap on the valve cover and out the engine breather on the side of the block. I am assembling a rebuilt engine now and wondering if there is a way to improve it. And yes, I know that ideally there shouldn't be blow by coming out the oil cap on the valve cover. -Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 13:58:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DFA43014 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:58:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B697142F80 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:56:34 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=q_xSaUapdH8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=qVHys0rdyJ8A:10 a=GwMYjkdwUsVJsB9WEqoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 69/90-11872-C3006B25; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:55:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:55:27 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7+iy2koXgzOVHyQLyZOOpnp6pTVQAAhy+A Subject: Re: [TR] Crankcase Evacuation System for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It all seemed like > a great idea > until I realized that on a street car all that would happen > is that over time > you would fill up your glass pack muffler with oil and > probably have a fire... At least in theory, the fumes should be burned by the hot exhaust, so oil could not collect in the muffler. I plan to try that system myself, eventually. Note that the valve is more important than just backfire prevention; it's a special valve that only opens when the pressure is below ambient, and closes as the pulses of exhaust go by. Otherwise, you would have exhaust blowing into the crankcase. You'll also want some sort of separator, to remove as much oil as possible from the blowby fumes. > It all got me thinking. What if you put a port in on the > crossover piece > on the intake manifold? You would vent the valve cover and > crankcase to there > and the engine vacuum would evacuate the crankcase. Has > anyone ever done this? You have just described exactly the system used on TR4A, except it had a valve to limit the amount of vacuum and prevent reverse flow. (You really don't want to be sucking fuel/air mixture into the crankcase, every time you step on the throttle.) > Does something bad happen if you do? Yes. Every time you open the throttle to accelerate, you get maximum blowby, but there is no manifold vacuum. So the crankcase winds up being pressurized and blowing oil out in other places (like the rear main seal). The cure for that (and the way most American engines are plumbed) is to have a large diameter fresh air intake back to some place in front of the carbs, so that any reverse flow at full throttle gets let out without building pressure, and sucked into the intake to be burned. > I am assembling a rebuilt engine now > and wondering if > there is a way to improve it. Make sure the rings gaps are the right size, the rings fit the pistons properly, and the cylinder walls are properly prepared. > And yes, I know that ideally there > shouldn't be blow by coming out the oil cap on the valve cover. It's actually normal to have a small amount, at idle. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 14:28:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32C142F86 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:28:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8C142F4A for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id vb8so4125383obc.21 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:26:49 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=zPw5F1ofGkUSsNh9sojFYCtF/xNxHFVh7+NZ0WlcQsU=; b=Qx3QRJaxkKCtjfycrzOXLO13NlGtSeKItMwKP/XgTdP4dDAxWDl3hQErSGefYu0t9O Uibrp2UHkKsJGIH7R5tFMAN4e1HUDp3NxScyKCleZ/Cxs7SZ44HjcFexpotRowqD7qUh xaGcN0fryOeXVo9PHc0t+a9c4CoxA2l1lQH4VcosYBUgkMFyYpPAa4drBeWnat0aBVgG heZ3gtEhzqDMVwEDcLhZp62o0Fp/1J+5YUL580X1Y8dodnpjSJRYlZachwtyMYXZHKt7 U3/gN/V8zQkfPwzWmzanaTLx8dlPXw3Hn4rMYmmM9YAjoAfsaAZjt4LG4eKQGNdQojS5 ez8w== qr5mr11381903obc.41.1387651424728; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qh4sm15551396obc.4.2013.12.21.10.43.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:43:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:43:40 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: My horns from my 62 TR4 are toast. Neither work at all. I tapped the casing lightly with a hammer to see if I could free up the mechanism. One is now working slightly, the other is not. Are these rebuildable? Does anyone have a pair of working horns from an early TR4 that they would be willing to sell. I am bringing this car back to stock and would really like to find the correct early horns. Unfortunately, one of mine was the orig 62 date stamped horn. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 62 TR4 CT6431L. The donor 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 14:39:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4876E43124 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:39:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E60540425 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:30:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i7so4380340oag.30 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:29:15 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=67p7Cwg+U1AzYlyTr0DbTBCQQkN7f+8J+Bv7AO4YIh8=; b=Lsvu/W0T283SeWhHf6dXWeEwOaW4cF1BBYZjGfinXwQ2NtYcqbjGqNn1Vf1uRLT9Ne 16q4cH0CBXHgbRJWHnJv+1o8Bys0utBsWPPwvFT6JRW91WeT6T/X+sQK9kPPGIn3/Kq7 mgFKjdPAZpRN8K+pb1H9MfG3I1vSZ3Ro5wOfMkvY4NUPT2Po5bOVWAKiiMWR79LUnouB YcIWDiYVZtP9eMDIlQnYL20tr14mArvZMSneIcwfT3m17QgWobMFbTMWQotkNY2Pu/JH Cs2VT3VBghYAsszHWPWPgmAacAcTewYFfUjEE9vhgcuuv8jMmx8MaAmM7Cu0s1UgHKel HLLg== nt6mr10652628obc.53.1387636372825; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 06:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qh4sm14733463obc.4.2013.12.21.06.32.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 06:32:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 07:32:50 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1B5CAE50-10C2-492B-9D11-644CDE63C3CA@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/20/13, 7:58 PM, Dave wrote: > imho there is nothing superior to redline mtl. itbs more expensive, > but you will be able to tell the difference > I'm running Redline MTL 75W80 GL-4 gear oil in my 1960 Land Rover's gearbox. MUCH better shifting when I start out in Freezing weather and all the time. This oil does not harm brass. I intend to use it in he TR3 next oil change. The limited slip diff in the TR3 and the air locker diff in the Land Rover both use Redline 75W90 GL-5 gear oil. I was told that this oil would help the diffs run cooler. I've never personally never tried to measure the temperatures. But the stuff seems to work just fine. I'm happy with redline products. I know my Land Rover's gear box is a LOT happier during the winter. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 14:59:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF3442F39 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:59:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC81A42F4E for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS43 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:45:50 -0800 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Jim Henningsen'" , References: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:45:54 -0600 Thread-Index: AQLfAjZs7JRWIJSUU4hMVkvIbPWZ1pg/JoRg Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[03FEE8F0:01CEFE96] Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If per chance you can't repair or find correct horns. You can always clean up the ones that can be seen under your hood and keep them there even if they don't sound. Then hide a pair of functional horns somewhere that can't be seen. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 12:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Part Needed List: My horns from my 62 TR4 are toast. Neither work at all. I tapped the casing lightly with a hammer to see if I could free up the mechanism. One is now working slightly, the other is not. Are these rebuildable? Does anyone have a pair of working horns from an early TR4 that they would be willing to sell. I am bringing this car back to stock and would really like to find the correct early horns. Unfortunately, one of mine was the orig 62 date stamped horn. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 62 TR4 CT6431L. The donor 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/creig555@live.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 15:10:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D0342F25 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:10:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy13.mail.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [67.222.34.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E169E42F20 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 28866 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 2013 21:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy18.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 21:56:03 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=61359 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VuUWg-0001yx-Pz for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:56:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:55:57 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've had a long series of e-mail conversations with Steve Yott who knows more about our trannies than most of us have forgotten. He did some testing where he had a window into the gearbox to see what was happening. One think I wasn't aware of is that different lubricants "foam up" more than others. He strongly recommends the Redline MT90 - it foams less and is compatible with the synchros and overdrive. When the lubricant foams up it doesn't lubricate as well. So, another vote for Redline MT90. As infrequently as the lubricant gets changed in the tranny, the ~$15 per quart is cheap insurance. Cheers, Tony At 10:28 PM 12/20/2013, Randall wrote: > > Does anyone use synthetic gear oil in the transmission and/or > > differential of > > their TRs? Any comments on the pros and cons of using synthetic oil? > >I've been using Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in all my Triumph >diffs for a long time. The diff in my 59 TR3A was already well >worn when it came to me in 1984. 20 years and perhaps 200,000 miles >later, it wasn't any worse. ISTR I changed the pinion seal >once, but otherwise it was still working fine when the car got wrecked. > >More recently, I switched to using Redline MT-90 in the >transmissions and overdrives. It improved the synchro action, and so far no >problems, at least not that I attribute to the oil. I have had a >few failures, but they clearly had other causes. > >But I wouldn't use a synthetic in the transmission that wasn't >designed for a synchronized transmission. Reportedly some of the >gear oils on the market are too slick and interfere with synchro >operation (which requires a certain level of metal-to-metal >friction). > >Only "con" I see is increased cost. The MT-90 in particular is >worth shopping around for, as prices vary quite a bit. Compared to >the cost of new synchro rings, it's a bargain. > >Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 15:29:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16BC42F3C for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:29:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (unknown [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B520B40066 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [74.110.208.75]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MY600EO3H0D5OT0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:26:38 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:26:36 -0500 References: <20131221221002.215C74038B@autox.team.net> To: Tony Drews Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just before leaving for the VTR Convention in Hudson WI in 1998, I changed the fluid in my TR6 A OD tranny to MTL. Drove to the convention from Richmond, VA. by way of Canada and put on a lot of miles. Tranny is still working well and have changed the MTL in it once. Would not use any thing else in my transmissions. Also use it in all the race cars. Happy Holidays Dean Tetterton On Dec 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > I've had a long series of e-mail conversations with Steve Yott who knows more about our trannies than most of us have forgotten. He did some testing where he had a window into the gearbox to see what was happening. One think I wasn't aware of is that different lubricants "foam up" more than others. He strongly recommends the Redline MT90 - it foams less and is compatible with the synchros and overdrive. When the lubricant foams up it doesn't lubricate as well. > > So, another vote for Redline MT90. As infrequently as the lubricant gets changed in the tranny, the ~$15 per quart is cheap insurance. > > Cheers, Tony > > At 10:28 PM 12/20/2013, Randall wrote: >> > Does anyone use synthetic gear oil in the transmission and/or >> > differential of >> > their TRs? Any comments on the pros and cons of using synthetic oil? >> >> I've been using Valvoline full synthetic gear oil in all my Triumph diffs for a long time. The diff in my 59 TR3A was already well >> worn when it came to me in 1984. 20 years and perhaps 200,000 miles later, it wasn't any worse. ISTR I changed the pinion seal >> once, but otherwise it was still working fine when the car got wrecked. >> >> More recently, I switched to using Redline MT-90 in the transmissions and overdrives. It improved the synchro action, and so far no >> problems, at least not that I attribute to the oil. I have had a few failures, but they clearly had other causes. >> >> But I wouldn't use a synthetic in the transmission that wasn't designed for a synchronized transmission. Reportedly some of the >> gear oils on the market are too slick and interfere with synchro operation (which requires a certain level of metal-to-metal >> friction). >> >> Only "con" I see is increased cost. The MT-90 in particular is worth shopping around for, as prices vary quite a bit. Compared to >> the cost of new synchro rings, it's a bargain. >> >> Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 15:44:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2386E42F20 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:44:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D86342F75 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:44:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4NRe1n0031eYJf8A6NjYek; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:43:32 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4NjY1n00J2yr1eL01NjYWu; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:43:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:43:32 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: british-cars@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1387665812; bh=ZnGaofbxbYM9nfgq3b+9hhuX8o4c15YRGHSF8QLuyY4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=sLVVtS+l2UD/LCcHM5Jz/PY598QtcgEJ5cIYw2cKuwKSmHQAe0CXGGbhIS+Nd4zWm JDvYtKDh8S3794h33OPBoye4hTd/wSLRR1rPU/0+596zWR8IWkxb8lTScf2TVMwEkm 73o3E+V2SH8N3zU/CFJDS1wainO20doiPc65Pm74+r5Wi/rD1szhRJPFQ3+cqMzJdo n5sfnMISRoE6GNcpPrtFOJ9WyH0ZIcgEt9ytE0oichdJl8iAKvU2EFAs6gIC3bTwlv ADkIo20toPEyhlOFO+YiWAReexq6u+3fiOSTzSZFzN9zV58dt2IpNl012gGoy9YYrM JrVuX8lkkbYAw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Red Ensign flag of Phil Ethier? FOUND! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jere Dotten has it and is mailing it back to me. Thank you, Jere. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: pethier@comcast.net > To: british-cars@autox.team.net > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:35:34 PM > Subject: [TR] Red Ensign flag of Phil Ethier? > Checking through my stuff, and I can't find my Red Ensign. Did I leave > it flying someplace at the TRF Summer Party or the Lotus Owners > Gathering? > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 16:00:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED38D42F27 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:00:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF92C4035A for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:40111] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A7/DB-08130-76816B25; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:38:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:38:32 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Jim Henningsen , triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, They are somewhat re-buildable depending on the internals. If the coils are toast then so is the horn. I was able to rebuild a set by drilling out the rivets and cleaning the contacts. But you have to really be careful on reassembly that the metal disc is not damaged. There is also a gasket that will be toast. You will need to replace the gasket as it offers some spacing so the metal disc will vibrate and therefore produce the horn sound. I chose to replace the rivets with 1/4" screws just in case on reassembly the horn did not work. Out of 4 broken horns, I was able to get 2 working and after 5 years they still work. For how long who knows? I do see them on Ebay from time to time but the price tends to be a bit high. Bob On 12/21/2013 01:43 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: > List: > My horns from my 62 TR4 are toast. Neither work at all. I tapped the casing > lightly with a hammer to see if I could free up the mechanism. One is now > working slightly, the other is not. Are these rebuildable? Does anyone have > a pair of working horns from an early TR4 that they would be willing to sell. > I am bringing this car back to stock and would really like to find the correct > early horns. Unfortunately, one of mine was the orig 62 date stamped horn. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Jim Henningsen > Ocala, FL > 62 TR4 CT5212LO > 62 TR4 CT6431L. The donor > 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 19:07:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6516403DD for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:07:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A03403BB for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:26:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l6so4433029oag.35 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:14 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=+CaDrF0Ue59LGqf++APCOWE3VAwhZG+FNXzwW4N1t+Y=; b=zVCjHEFCYobLxFCGzmblYHd++Pl927hQNB2ARaFhNG3SpnknZRABcfIhV/Xyp8kxHX QX7MGxY/CJYYNQrax1lJ4WYe/0prZLDQF3rQIWw+SmvzJM0ZU0rsrWLPBnsZ04gJXi3B oJLsWXuWUZPawM3EEH8o1Iaqmb8CKebU/PN704BDJeVNuKxRaSAjFozcADr3mlM50rzv WTZqCU47xw1xIAOFzT7I08gQ+ld7BdsrYmYAo/gVfm2X97wXFAGNoPy2BVpmLyIS4/T1 SklunFgmoUFSSeOkjvBILBzybAIboaxaGmNM6OtuYPEn+GjjWgEFEp9rLgvEMAGXV359 BvOg== nt6mr12350183obc.53.1387675514675; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm16875042obo.7.2013.12.21.17.25.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Creig Houghtaling'" , References: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:24:59 -0500 Thread-Index: AQLfAjZs7JRWIJSUU4hMVkvIbPWZ1gHSMa8LmDDSo9A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good backup plan! Thanks, jim -----Original Message----- From: Creig Houghtaling [mailto:creig555@live.com] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:46 PM To: 'Jim Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 Part Needed If per chance you can't repair or find correct horns. You can always clean up the ones that can be seen under your hood and keep them there even if they don't sound. Then hide a pair of functional horns somewhere that can't be seen. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 12:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Part Needed List: My horns from my 62 TR4 are toast. Neither work at all. I tapped the casing lightly with a hammer to see if I could free up the mechanism. One is now working slightly, the other is not. Are these rebuildable? Does anyone have a pair of working horns from an early TR4 that they would be willing to sell. I am bringing this car back to stock and would really like to find the correct early horns. Unfortunately, one of mine was the orig 62 date stamped horn. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 62 TR4 CT6431L. The donor 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/creig555@live.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 21 20:49:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151934281C for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:49:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE639403EC for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:37:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4TWe1n0040xGWP851TbzTM; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:35:59 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4Tbz1n00L2xV5no3YTbzCf; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:35:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list s=q20121106; t=1387683359; bh=4zHnUVWFPkt8MA27wW17u9okFq4yQ1KMPLz29Fs/krU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=RepF+h0cBWLTBw2rjQXoDUEottW6RLQMlhrr1LlTGFtmKkThkqyacBVt/de+GVBKr srrhepehNdv/ETxP+dfDQOu82cjvQ+Lz5j85y6pY1GBjFyyaCK6s+7cfIOI83H6CtE hgSXTMaKZnGaohgxjaLRTwLRhh57NQuz6eOQfIqmVCiRTg1vmg/UACN8Vs6omZqUdb hxgDIf/9VykI9HXosZEFMPssYRIuroCln9byDqI7QADitYeBt/8NgSv5utRbegkoJ5 qUHJQ+KNNzdIT6cGwjN62ejCB8JI7vzQemQjK6DuxAFLAeNTAW3So+fL/B/lVzPpJ6 hIzuFenIT6wcQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Subject: Horn repair Send them to http://www.british-car-part-restoration.com/index.html NFI and all that... B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 10:50:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F2F4040D for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:50:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF0D403A7 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:49:51 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=BKmRdvKBffDVjZCHzCK0+g==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=QJc7bxviWQkA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ne4NaiUpb9H-nDYCaowA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7o62ZeF_cYqEeuxswtUA:9 a=q2CCaiqZYFdQG3MB:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.44.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [65.78.44.200] ([65.78.44.200:49189] helo=[192.168.1.116]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 27/0C-01585-11627B25; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:49:05 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:49:04 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I took mine apart too and it was and has been successful. If one is sort of working then I'd be fairly sure of success. I think it's mostly the result of corrosion of dissimilar metals. Once that is all cleaned up it should be good. The rivets are an odd size and I tapped the top piece and put in Allen head screws from the bottom. Fresh coat of paint few if anyone will notice. Allen On Dec 21, 2013, at 8:26 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Jim, > > They are somewhat re-buildable depending on the internals. If the > coils are toast then so is the horn. > > I was able to rebuild a set by drilling out the rivets and cleaning > the contacts. But you have to really be careful on reassembly that > the metal disc is not damaged. There is also a gasket that will be > toast. You will need to replace the gasket as it offers some spacing > so the metal disc will vibrate and therefore produce the horn sound. > > I chose to replace the rivets with 1/4" screws just in case on > reassembly the horn did not work. > > Out of 4 broken horns, I was able to get 2 working and after 5 years > they still work. For how long who knows? > > I do see them on Ebay from time to time but the price tends to be a > bit high. > > Bob > > On 12/21/2013 01:43 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: >> List: >> My horns from my 62 TR4 are toast. Neither work at all. I tapped >> the casing >> lightly with a hammer to see if I could free up the mechanism. One >> is now >> working slightly, the other is not. Are these rebuildable? Does >> anyone have >> a pair of working horns from an early TR4 that they would be >> willing to sell. >> I am bringing this car back to stock and would really like to find >> the correct >> early horns. Unfortunately, one of mine was the orig 62 date >> stamped horn. >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Jim Henningsen >> Ocala, FL >> 62 TR4 CT5212LO >> 62 TR4 CT6431L. The donor >> 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 11:06:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD22940416 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:06:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90E9403DD for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:05:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4hwe1n00317UAYkA6i5B4U; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:05:11 +0000 Received: from [10.235.236.99] ([174.229.193.163]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4i511n00G3XzQqu8Zi54M3; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:05:09 +0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:05:07 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1387735511; bh=I2+y3n301VEE49I+8uQAlwfgbFYUNRHrLX4ictOsuOA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WZDaxZOEXWmwRT8v5gcAokeCuIVFvjdWMvUXCKphPrUBS+mHmM6BLc4rt1bpBzVff VXwKzqjUPqZisSGPiqouBbYyzUM9yN/QxDMFsTjjnBk4K8FVPa7DOBBO1JknwoklXS RJe/gDKDMw4sGVlgyb3YYyWiZBJ9ehzL/lMcqpvv9N4C4f30gb2C5JOfSFTgEnMb7B mHyV45JhmhG3jL+XhdOoM7xm40CecK6EZ4q/nw7ViS8XarFgCw+MgauIt53c1t1wOz VBtG6VtjccCZlAiiQymntGGHa2MTs4WiiDlVx5BOdeoNI2+ue+cGfFJTJPvTEVI9cp Sto+2DrqYCGbQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR4_Part_Needed?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can get the correct rivets. They are aircraft type, and come in the odd ball size you need. Chat up a a&p guy at the local airport, or order online. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Allen Hess" To: Subject: [TR] TR4 Part Needed Date: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 11:49 am I took mine apart too and it was and has been successful. If one is sort of working then I'd be fairly sure of success. I think it's mostly the result of corrosion of dissimilar metals. Once that is all cleaned up it should be good. The rivets are an odd size and I tapped the top piece and put in Allen head screws from the bottom. Fresh coat of paint few if anyone will notice. Allen On Dec 21, 2013, at 8:26 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Jim, > > They are somewhat re-buildable depending on the internals. If the > coils are toast then so is the horn. > > I was able to rebuild a set by drilling out the rivets and cleaning > the contacts. But you have to really be careful on reassembly that > the metal disc is not damaged. There is also a gasket that will be > toast. You will need to replace the gasket as it offers some spacing > so the metal disc will vibrate and therefore produce the horn sound. > > I chose to replace the rivets with 1/4" screws just in case on > reassembly the horn did not work. > > Out of 4 broken horns, I was able to get 2 working and after 5 years > they still work. For how long who knows? > > I do see them on Ebay from time to time but the price tends to be a > bit high. > > Bob > > On 12/21/2013 01:43 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: >> List: >> My horns from my 62 TR4 are toast. Neither work at all. I tapped >> the casing >> lightly with a hammer to see if I could free up the mechanism. One >> is now >> working slightly, the other is not. Are these rebuildable? Does >> anyone have >> a pair of working horns from an early TR4 that they would be >> willing to sell. >> I am bringing this car back to stock and would really like to find >> the correct >> early horns. Unfortunately, one of mine was the orig 62 date >> stamped horn. >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Jim Henningsen >> Ocala, FL >> 62 TR4 CT5212LO >> 62 TR4 CT6431L. The donor >> 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 16:22:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93D940416 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:22:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0149.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610814040B for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:18:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from BY2PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.255.90.167) by BN1PR02MB054.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.210.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.842.7; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:15:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.254.1] (50.96.68.107) by pod51004.outlook.com (10.255.90.167) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.395.1; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:15:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:15:52 -0500 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Dave , 'Triumph Mail List' References: <9A4CA54A94A54823B03B8D27ECA2FA02@Datsun> SFS:(10009001)(377454003)(479174003)(41574002)(189002)(199002)(24454002)(46034005)(51704005)(47976001)(19580405001)(19580395003)(83322001)(81816001)(65806001)(80316001)(15975445006)(56816005)(77982001)(80976001)(83506001)(74706001)(81342001)(76482001)(74876001)(83072002)(59766001)(50986001)(65956001)(79102001)(85306002)(59896001)(64126003)(80022001)(47736001)(81686001)(90146001)(87936001)(66066001)(33656001)(85852003)(63696002)(84326002)(512934002)(76796001)(76786001)(54356001)(54316002)(49866001)(71186001)(46102001)(69226001)(4396001)(43066001)(51856001)(75432001)(74366001)(81542001)(56776001)(36756003)(74662001)(47446002)(74502001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR02MB054; H:BY2PRD0210HT004.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:50.96.68.107; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Subject: Re: [TR] events this spring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When exactly are you going? One below is in March I think. Take a look at https://www.ameliaconcours.org/ Nice location and great vehicles. Doug On 12/22/2013 3:03 PM, Dave wrote: > hi, all. > > my son is in Alabama; we are trying to find a british car event to attend > together this spring in the southeast. > > we were going to go to the pensacola show but he has a conflict with work. > any recommendations? > > thanks! > > -- p.s. I do not use a smart phone so if you email me and do not get a quick response it is not because I am ignoring you. Just not at a computer. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 17:22:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEF6403FE for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:22:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7693D403E3 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W62 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:21:42 -0800 From: marty To: Tony Drews , Triumph List Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:21:41 -0500 References: <20131221221012.2598D4032A@autox.team.net> FILETIME=[F44F4CD0:01CEFF74] Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Switched over to MT90 myself years ago per Redlines recommendations. I'm sold on it also. Marty ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:55:57 -0600 > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > From: tony@tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [TR] Synthetic gear oil > > I've had a long series of e-mail conversations with Steve Yott who > knows more about our trannies than most of us have forgotten. He did > some testing where he had a window into the gearbox to see what was > happening. One think I wasn't aware of is that different lubricants > "foam up" more than others. He strongly recommends the Redline MT90 > - it foams less and is compatible with the synchros and > overdrive. When the lubricant foams up it doesn't lubricate as well. > > So, another vote for Redline MT90. As infrequently as the lubricant > gets changed in the tranny, the ~$15 per quart is cheap insurance. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 21:00:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED17540415 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:00:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BAEDC403F5 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.59] by nm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 03:03:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387767804; bh=R9cU+pceB/bN9w1JeYjMglDiY/r234yjvkUV2QE+vaY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=TO3FeF5g1RAXY6P9CLNnWfYJxgkYML6255/M7S8IU+74ys6whK2bm2lCn41gIco/yuivM7cEx2PyZ4F4NCMkVDrbKMvI99Ze1PxPnjQxJmxBRm8IUSoDrKjOHC5ZQ/yQzhoQ5ho5+JuJvSjP4RVznV47Z89T3p0cJIac5WkW2i4= F5.uHoe81aC8l_BXb3dzAx1uiv81_QRownjP8NnmfQYd7X4nhqRxkDVGBxRL g5Y68ZS.Ny8F20FZvmTsUYtji_F5isw8F5meTtvDyCwIY_EGekMtTNlu7mp9 l92PrRfcFC.rzr4k2Gd5vO5bGYvgXzcbW7hD6GP7br0w5tvhyXcomCtzDTj3 sJyejq7NGES8XobGa4IoOYujYD6qF7mbEJkmbVyGwZMrwvMs4zd7GFSQUPqZ Bjrq_RXCnDL7ngq5_FXcuWks3zBR9RpH3SgWuNbUnhZL4HZOl0tNTsga_9_i xrbmFARy57Klw4tx6XyZQDxIJ4RgDFxc3FZ5fO5VPmqiNbyAmR.9whjU_wn. ZN0LPVC_5NJEOBWkOCZBkxY5ZQPr1xxswPIvOL2A3heGG5czFpCmVsaUfl4o l8H1mqhSKD9tX4czYLeAEE6e4ycXVkis9S35KueWV5.YN8Hf4CkGSK9ZNbnk 8io.Yt1ewmCcgzo9khJayc_pAS8mpvcGDwBeiumTcgfdjtFdyBYBiWcUH7s2 BZCPm8tZhIaiWkerr_fw- xymcookie [216.39.61.254]) by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2013 03:03:24 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:03:25 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Synthetic gear oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded to my Q on changing transmission and differential over to synthetic oil. Think I'll do it. John DeLuca 65 TR4A in restoration ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 06:31:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF37942F49 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 06:31:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152E940E1A for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 06:31:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so5638040oag.18 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 05:30:30 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=KNDbA68IwEE/eYAIC/pMTRZ15UaaaIuqs4Cf/l/PsN4=; b=FlnRsjLRXOXZzKRUvt3DTVYgHN6QRuqtLGWEUPW85TxcxkyBV9CeixGkfrwesANuwQ MEq2LulWLQrnn0VT6TjZtJocANPLtrtGakRMGOfsRYponlTG/zsdOJThL6iVupyB4daL w1ILvkL1Wf1CP+1PT/ffDVfHsjz2+NqwtREO/vFoqR3Cjm9RtRX2VsskqcQQJ4I4c5M9 7uMPAQrs+CwgCsVZ5qR4y03dObFqOltpEgi9w8A+JIhoSeULz3AqBmH+NEWaVgLpu10M 4M8CoZL/lfzP7OELpuwgo/i2PxPwSVFy4Sc4OexLed6o3FtOXzXAl2EEewi5KehWGISU t8MA== cs3mr17770421oeb.12.1387805429725; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 05:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c6sm27434450oeu.6.2013.12.23.05.30.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Dec 2013 05:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:30:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7/4yXMkRjbfpFyRympY2Jvf4azPg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Chrome Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Any recommendations on a good company to use to rechrome a valve cover and badge bar? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 The project 62 TR4 The donor 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 06:36:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F33942A31 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 06:36:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E3C40E1A for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 06:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h16so5595607oag.39 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 05:35:12 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SHhFkQZ2MXVd87VFkAOGgiahNBIeTZg3DUoUCm4njq4=; b=Cjqj0aAVnopCGYYXDZWuLi9WXxABg2fsw/scv4qtIv0wBRk4dMhap7SNsOZ6HxuHEw NdFddPbSe7Cb9M310PaDyLYJWGmjqO73DUGYeK+g2j+dJ4arrWPZ9vFwtKMBglKl266a TTKWZtJZ4AH4OT5SoX7ARUjDVJBYXBAj6EnukpifY29ul7OkuZWjc59EigyED9Ln76qi NmrU0nC6opE1+AtXruDlwWdRlA8tjTemNUrwVf1DQoyTy/roD6oQqJMImBp5UoyBEp4T DOkKNY3taqgPbb987shgx0h0U5nijGxMm1jhDbuCagHenLh0ft6bdgECYP/p7zTJYaZa T6MA== w2mr1485894oem.48.1387805712309; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 05:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id si9sm27444992oeb.8.2013.12.23.05.35.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Dec 2013 05:35:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 06:35:09 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <001e01ceffe3$2dfff010$89ffd030$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Chrome Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/23/13, 6:30 AM, James Henningsen wrote: > Any recommendations on a good company to use to rechrome a valve cover and > badge bar? > > When I needed to rechrome parts on my TR3 I went to a local shop that specialized in modified Harley Davidsons. I figured that if anyone knew the best local chromer it would be them. You might ask at a local custom motorcycle shop. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 07:43:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1CB42A31 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:43:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCD340398 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MY900117KSRGN70@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:41:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Carl TR" To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <001e01ceffe3$2dfff010$89ffd030$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:41:15 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQHucoqhV6F0VhalcNp73FwvKyOa9poi7e8w Subject: Re: [TR] Chrome Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can recommend Metal Refinishing (owner's name is Jhoda) in Tampa; http://www.floridametalrefinishing.com/index.htm Had a bunch of little bits done last month, handbrake handle, gearshift, mirror surroundx2, grab handle. I think the handbrake was $125 which would be about the same size as a badge bar. Also Spacecoast Plating in Melbourne. http://www.spacecoast-plating.com/ Had large items done several years (2005) ago. Bumper, over-riders, windshield frame, stanchions. Still looked like new when I finally installed them this past fall. Can't remember pricing but I am sure it is different now. I have heard good things about Exotic Chrome in Kissimmee http://www.exotichrome.com/ but have not used them. Someone in the Central FL Triumph Club may know more http://cftriumph.tripod.com/ . Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ Tampa, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:31 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Chrome Recommendation Any recommendations on a good company to use to rechrome a valve cover and badge bar? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 The project 62 TR4 The donor 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 08:23:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5A942F4A for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:23:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEF3403EC for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:22:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo20so5570749obc.11 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=rPVeHDU9q9gMsYvthrqMJrGHiOc95NkulDiEPEuGRQk=; b=eof9HKPCuTNvRMI1qSms9JlF9m3uzDm31vRuG9zaElOA7ycN5v5z7pYYV6h3V9PUx+ omOI5wee+/wuMxbIyd3wuYbZO4MnbWblLOmp+b7lN81bqjL+eHhpekvoXuy5zD8KSSQG LZkfQBfFBPNE7TKMnTLomgXjuG2s17oVV48McHtOZ1ir+qE9Fqn5WfSLiyGEo5av+ZyI ztq5nVgnoTELNjdlXRnlayO/+WNHWmpBLErwuFTPVxoE49Cgb99C5wjnUy7eHmx3a6fU AkjEY9ywYwWAfJkeQJSpZjy0FcMgOwkzXbqsdXneryDXT+isPQI8mLfGivXH2Wlr2S3M 47WA== zd8mr17873912obb.25.1387812128102; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m16sm27840430oer.5.2013.12.23.07.22.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:22:07 -0800 (PST) References: <001e01ceffe3$2dfff010$89ffd030$@gmail.com> <004f01ceffed$08c98680$1a5c9380$@verizon.net> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:22:06 -0500 To: "" Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Chrome Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl: Thanks so much! I heard ExoticChrome was good too. Haven't been able to reach them yet. But it is the holidays . Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy New Year to the list! Jim Henningsen Sent from my iPad On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:41 AM, "Carl TR" wrote: > > I can recommend Metal Refinishing (owner's name is Jhoda) in Tampa; > http://www.floridametalrefinishing.com/index.htm Had a bunch of > little bits done last month, handbrake handle, gearshift, mirror surroundx2, > grab handle. I think the handbrake was $125 which would be about the same > size as a badge bar. > > Also Spacecoast Plating in Melbourne. http://www.spacecoast-plating.com/ > Had large items done several years (2005) ago. Bumper, over-riders, > windshield frame, stanchions. Still looked like new when I finally > installed them this past fall. Can't remember pricing but I am sure it is > different now. > > I have heard good things about Exotic Chrome in Kissimmee > http://www.exotichrome.com/ but have not used them. Someone in the Central > FL Triumph Club may know more http://cftriumph.tripod.com/ . > > > Carl > 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ > Tampa, FL > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:31 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Chrome Recommendation > > Any recommendations on a good company to use to rechrome a valve cover and > badge bar? > > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 The project > > 62 TR4 The donor > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 10:39:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AB542F53 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:39:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C30842F47 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:39:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([67.200.162.2]) by p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 55eX1n00D03Qk2B015eX5q; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:38:32 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "'Triumph Mail List'" References: <9A4CA54A94A54823B03B8D27ECA2FA02@Datsun> <52B772A8.8020508@uga.edu> <1387813633.45788.YahooMailNeo@web141403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:33:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] events this spring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thatbs the same weekend as the pensacola event, which is the weekend he has a conflict . . . . From: Frank Fisher Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:47 AM To: mathews@uga.edu ; Dave ; 'Triumph Mail List' Subject: Re: [TR] events this spring how about the Mitty at road Atalanta? Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 11:47:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F60742F75 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:47:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A73D642F4B for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:45:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 -0000 Received: from [77.238.189.227] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.246] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 34464 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387824116; bh=o3WZAj0IM9bqpuhJFgyoNkTWUAWy+qSIFaDDU1br+aE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yH3wrPGeWdv/O6RfKMwM5NRDyiUvZZ4PfvLBStbkrxjUjgUFOcWA5DAcw6IEKtNUO03yzKBGivfGBNCG7pbCE2ux2/zwZ6DsOfcUp1JcTJzwSSIXD6QleT9ezAmLKzKPm5EMotSIR7h4mjig7jVBiKy4DMHiu526lrUslGjXnRE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qk1SOyUY4nEzMVciorXnvJkxgxso0bI8aGhXadMP0kPGtfekD4Gi9Ax056MN1jKogFM3MJ4K8SQLzVD+XRhfEqI3p0GXV27Z2CdtyH6Zolhr4WC7n9/pNbiT3pzg3IIw3Kz1IMefaT75+a0+I+1vbFXIwJ+NNz2EtVgOnhIKevo=; hA4VyeUu7k_WPd6R9BMMhw0v3IXVYMoAMnVww6.GuTGlJn3rGfePlnshrule Mo0IGKeCb0xS9GH1pviDEf0baD790HMR7EekNiwbNuP6Lcs_zVj65ow1UXv8 8Bg2VIPSLcdqq4dXy4uUvYWviZ2zrpXA4i0fRvrM8IzcUUruey.nbvRbd.P4 3CswP9gvgsnY5l29NOtI.H3WXfIs1_sFLlflEjVZlTo_OuGe3FuFnLjNLvG8 GwBCGKG4NloB3ZoORFQoXY115f_wo2lwLWywrSclthfSiWlSgIqodG8U7Ntr wPgXVd5c6bokz7rnnUB5_bifsv4WtD6NW8hQN9V3iygdbZ51cp7ceTgOw0XR dNKNsSOPRybXVYJvZ2Ef849QVOoT6cHfZ5wQotIAnPDk7zcmavwZuIfg9NmZ GJpjgeBT2lwqNUDtXpbfqndogIg0APGR_c_3ggoib5hw5rxU.aMUdWcQUdvV EdSII9ww8wbabexcUPp.t9mAruhhJYlC9rkfBpqtqSK3m Received: from [2.217.115.8] by web171905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 GMT SGFwcHkgQ2hyaXN0bWFzIGV2ZXJ5b25lICEhIQoKSSBsb29rIGZvcndhcmQgdG8gcmVhZGluZyBlbWFpbHMgaW4gYSBkYXkgb3Igc28gYWJvdXQgaG93IG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlIHVud3JhcHBlZCBhIHNldCBvZiBuZXcgY2FtIGZvbGxvd2VycyBvciAtIGJhdGVkIGJyZWF0aCwgd2VyZSB0aGUgbHVja3kgcmVjaXBpZW50IG9mIGEgQ2h1cmNoaWxsIFNlcnZpY2UgdG9vbCBmb3IgbWVhc3VyaW5nIGRpZmZlcmVudGlhbCBwcmUtbG9hZCBvciBhbnkgb3RoZXIgZXNvdGVyaWMgIkkgd2lzaCBJIGhhZCBhIC4uLi4iIAoBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 18:41:56 +0000 (GMT) From: John Macartney To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] It's here again ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Christmas everyone !!! I look forward to reading emails in a day or so about how many people unwrapped a set of new cam followers or - bated breath, were the lucky recipient of a Churchill Service tool for measuring differential pre-load or any other esoteric "I wish I had a ...." The UK this season is lashed with pouring rain and high winds with perhaps a little snow over Scottish hills - much like the average summer really. Have fun. Jonmac ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 12:09:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B56342F76 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 12:09:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F04042F8D for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 12:08:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 55Po1n0020FhH24AD7836b; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:08:03 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 57831n00C2yr1eL8U783gn; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:08:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:08:03 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: John Macartney (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1387825683; bh=dp1r5dUN5wRkyHLS9NKGiB/KBFuqxv1AgxHhDnFqsyc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=rADj+TgLeQV7GQ7cPVsPRPuaTbcn3hyqfQOj1PYH3IzjsXHGVpcx1E0SkKbH18ERd PFniSDo0ostbuYnsPO1kNYA2UJFg6cut5GnExyAxXak054YyRxwheDYrdLXIwdX/Ol 9SKPYwjC1T5HxOZ3C23Gn5UR78bqdTTAKqQfTfc/QUc6g6bD5h9jNpMxP7kNSmkrNy o8CReknUwKvyZwIWEe13hklMCgUeISaNAw9Lp+uwj9ZfrJhRIF/zSXmTKBrVDnD+oA egIxdACji9ixmdpbAkDdYoZCYbp/Y51bvEz/wTJ8orH8pZeNXWQJbqXFdt641RpipB RJ4BdVJyisspQ== Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] It's here again ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wish a glorious holiday season to you and yours! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Macartney" > To: "Triumph List" > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:41:56 PM > Subject: [TR] It's here again ! > Happy Christmas everyone !!! > > I look forward to reading emails in a day or so > about how many people unwrapped a set of new cam followers or - bated > breath, > were the lucky recipient of a Churchill Service tool for measuring > differential pre-load or any other esoteric "I wish I had a ...." > > The UK > this season is lashed with pouring rain and high winds with perhaps a > little > snow over Scottish hills - much like the average summer really. Have > fun. > Jonmac > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 16:39:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E4B42F47 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:39:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DE942F48 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.65.202]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 5BeY1n00C4MpmUN01BeZSo; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:38:34 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 18:38:25 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8AN/yiQTLMTIqCQr+BAe6Stcse4A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Rotors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a torque spec for rotors? I have always just utilized the "grunt" system, but was unable to answer someone's question today. My workshop manual has a supplement for the TR3, but no mention of a torque. Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 18:58:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1634642FC7 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 18:58:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95AE42EF4 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 18:55:09 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ZYJt3WOveJQA:10 a=2zdMgQAfYw3j-pWrA-YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=od6ABkYFBNAA:10 a=1EaLCnKmk6sA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AC/B8-11872-839E8B25; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 01:54:01 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:54:00 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8AN/yiQTLMTIqCQr+BAe6Stcse4AAEuVeg Subject: Re: [TR] Rotors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there a torque spec for rotors? You mean the 4 bolts that hold them to the hubs? TR4 workshop manual gives 32-35 ftlb. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 00:57:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5636042F92 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:57:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4568742F7A for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5Ku21n0031eYJf8A8Kv99V; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:55:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5Kv81n0024L5TyG01Kv85T; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:55:09 +0000 From: Bud R To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 00:55:07 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1387871709; bh=e2DuOTxb8+i1cSWZhG8U2aXodxVdAd/CAULkfuHp2tw=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=NQIhMorvf2IWbn2mqMSX/UE6Njh8bS3FFTMocbvTQf/prnZrC0x8UBRs5gBhI62Xx HP+yuA50hN0q4zUAaRVzQA7RC3QjH4ykp9LqrAkC+0Rli9zJPSW59z7yCqY3bnSHb3 apu/baIyFsIq9R8mv445Is3hgpFSSBhS3X0mpGTM3rKbl5NxPKs9l1JyRd0Bgz+nsI WtkOi8mdCuSipI0wADDaMez1SyDM8GJFfhrX2XwOkIPNGBt/wKSJUOoW9KiFnDKL2n VhO/oJQymz0oy7yo+ab5+nPcEK3kD8DEpeXVQa5kAhHQSkGxleNXrBFLP/VJyMXjX7 +52fmftO6kOKw== Subject: [TR] A Triumph Christmas Decoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Triumph%20Christmas%20Decoration?sort=3&page=1 Merry Christmas Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine and dinghy car for RV) 70 Spitfire MK III (parts car, FE engine donated to race car) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 07:19:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B2D42FB5 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:19:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D751B403F2 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.144]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C9822700000BD; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.5]) by mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8784B38000083; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:18:07 -0500 (EST) References: <92AB02FA-4FB9-449A-9A4B-B78C1A7BF85B@comcast.net> To: levilevi@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.88) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:18:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:18:07 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387894687; bh=ZxH7WNPdIqtrjmU/1RXW+xtNgyouIB9jH9kybdgj7g4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GAtM5kMQhG24FWuLEoenWrhDxUqDhsBr4W5y8VN3UHMViVNEL5ZrWBFuHWR7jWl2B fzW3RgMR8GVnelcuT7Z0avJ402DCyfviGDo9K6gHyEf1iZS0IGm3o3/EAz91obct50 CNUZm/BvY8VxwMt3vKIc2zGuPm+O3zGBdPnIkYAI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe9052b9979f2faf Subject: Re: [TR] A Triumph Christmas Decoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What on earth could that be under all the wrapping? ;-) Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Bud R To: triumphs Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:56 am Subject: [TR] A Triumph Christmas Decoration http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Triumph%20Christmas%20Deco ration?sort=3&page=1 Merry Christmas Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine and dinghy car for RV) 70 Spitfire MK III (parts car, FE engine donated to race car) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 11:57:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DE343011 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:57:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C242F8D for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:57:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5WFb1n00727AodY5FWwXoF; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:56:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([98.236.169.92]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5WwX1n0011zxQSA3fWwX8d; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:56:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:56:29 -0500 From: Pat Ledford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1387911391; bh=3fJef23aPNESnuFwIfTO5/2ejKtt512O9IXs22ZfM7s=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To: Content-Type; b=cYq/sIJLQ1lcfEKSI/BnyeojB/NSqD7OZIwqc+/NT8ywYsQ9/T5Wd2E/4bObRvVHR hvdsLa9QdjbwN3d+mA8lqmd1kSA8/st+IMw0dONAYe76LIcoc23wawcFmBysw3fepz gPghUTX4sdgAMFVdjJxWLXQiJf/irIlzGp2oqC3j0MF1ZjENUPeBqIU4U7imy6EUoN pbpPQCiNYKoVGEH5Vd66krC2OLfpqTZ6UbtiQj8ERdSbMLbiWcnTSq9fGMmJh6XyUZ 9S+Wgk7KHrUxjlA63vr5jA+j/1Oa5mrwCKg+ZL30Xz1xkRsghpe7EfU2YTx2yFgYJz XcP/ozC5pRmew== Subject: [TR] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net unsubscibe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 12:52:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771BD43011 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6931E42F8D for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from RonLHeraultPC ([unknown] [74.104.178.64]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYB000B2TNLGP40@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:47:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:47:43 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac8A4QLixnTUkVkMSASAqjZ7kr802g== Subject: [TR] One last drive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The sun is out. Last night's rain washed the salt and much of the sand off the roads. It is only in the mid-30s F, and the top is up on the TR-6. So it was perfect for one last ride today. It was not a long ride but it was nice to get the car out and moving around. It could be weeks, even months before conditions are right again. I will pull the battery so that I can bring it into the cellar to attach it to the trickle charger, so it would be a lot more work to take the car for a quick spin even if weather and road conditions permit. Three months -its not that long, right? Ron L in sunny North Attleborough, MA. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 13:09:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC9542F95 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:09:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx0a-000ec301.pphosted.com (mx0a-000ec301.pphosted.com [67.231.144.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AED7403F2 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0046621.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-000ec301.pphosted.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rBOK8b1r010861; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:08:37 -0800 Received: from mail.erau.edu (mail.erau.edu [155.31.204.178]) by mx0a-000ec301.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 1gvh384v7e-1; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:08:37 -0800 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([68.202.149.196]) by mail.erau.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:08:36 -0500 From: John Wise Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:08:37 -0500 References: <002f01cf00e1$0363d6b0$0a2b8410$@net> To: "Ron L'Herault" FILETIME=[EE154020:01CF00E3] engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-24_06:2013-12-24,2013-12-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1312240138 Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] One last drive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Two of my Grandsons were here today & asked for their usual ride in the TR3A. The sun is out, the temperature is 65F, and the top in in the garage. My 3rd grandson will be later & the week and has already relayed his request. Since they age between 4 and 10, I think they all see the TR as the perfect size for them. :-) Merry Christms John John Wise John.A.Wise@mac.com http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html On 24 Dec, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > The sun is out. Last night's rain washed the salt and much of the sand off > the roads. It is only in the mid-30s F, and the top is up on the TR-6. So > it was perfect for one last ride today. It was not a long ride but it was > nice to get the car out and moving around. It could be weeks, even months > before conditions are right again. I will pull the battery so that I can > bring it into the cellar to attach it to the trickle charger, so it would be > a lot more work to take the car for a quick spin even if weather and road > conditions permit. Three months -its not that long, right? > > Ron L in sunny North Attleborough, MA. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.a.wise@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 02:47:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D346443018 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 02:47:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C8C4301E; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 02:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29294A025F; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 02:46:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 02:46:18 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22.1 To: Spitfires@autox.team.net, Triumphs Subject: [TR] Have a pleasant weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Karen and I are flying out of SLC to spend some time with family in Orange County. Team.Net email seems to be fairly stable, so I am not too worried about it. I'll check on things remotely, but there may be issues that require my presence to fix. So enjoy your last weekend of 2013, see you next week. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 08:30:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6D242FB5 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:30:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B34403E9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W93 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 25 Dec 2013 07:28:46 -0800 From: marty To: Triumph List Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:28:45 -0500 FILETIME=[005F6150:01CF0186] Subject: [TR] Forums (off topic) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just want to send a thank you out to our fearless leader MJB for keeping us on a mailing list format. Another group I belong to switched over to the forum format and I am stuck in my old ways I guess but no sir, I just don't like it. It is the new way I guess. I know the mailing list are a big pain for Mark to manage but it is more user friendly to me. You get to see activity immediately, not have to search to see what's going on. So, THANK YOU MARK FOR KEEPING US OLD SCHOOL! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 08:55:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588D842F82 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:55:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B5540557 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 5ru41n00E2QmmGk01ru4Bu; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:54:05 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumph List" References: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:51:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Forums (off topic) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net my sentiments exactly! thank you mark. -----Original Message----- From: marty Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:28 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Forums (off topic) I just want to send a thank you out to our fearless leader MJB for keeping us on a mailing list format. Another group I belong to switched over to the forum format and I am stuck in my old ways I guess but no sir, I just don't like it. It is the new way I guess. I know the mailing list are a big pain for Mark to manage but it is more user friendly to me. You get to see activity immediately, not have to search to see what's going on. So, THANK YOU MARK FOR KEEPING US OLD SCHOOL! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 08:56:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32143011 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:56:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 57F3740557 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:56:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2013 15:55:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.100] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2013 15:55:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2013 15:55:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387986909; bh=7/vUf7lkJnjwfk4AYFAVXusxbRhtsA9Q/93Kae8J0P8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=csUUljD+5hDFBOIatyO4QTp4Xl91WSfb2aOwc0fQ7nqvcb/PnUG8TdVkeDI8Hb7wqcmOTx5SofNfwUVmPwsRsc+a/uy4uA/QbQIqM/OncRXpEy95U2udm7M+1zVcrzluB1Xozo+MHDlpSnCGq9Y+EMITBE7w/fex4JS+WP+3ew4= dEkBdDa0gUqtd0.gINLrtyHyg_MioTWZ0LuW_kGMhjPpbT9MCCoFQ302Gf6v Bko2nPyS9FCIQtMMJIfsKBmhkNvJfPKlMMx3SHF7j4i7FGj2nRjjhs0f2oVi cbR2D9bv7lV6076qRoeSBrZxj3QwPOwqWuorJuCGPndOGNRVDYQfUCGBrPPI L_zXcpXVvDlj0PZvOsoxTUOSXcwYWx6yxke.KZgfmPxqGii5.MVyQPMtwplV qvv_eaErQuJvGrjE0eIzhGLC_4DiaYvHPYa4Fzec3D_Bz1OpQV1yz5c4V_XJ J5h8PQ5Al6s_RtRvbEIO2V6Y5itAdT.FgeRs..4nFKDuh5XWjpUI_FEUojpm JAAe4CZ2K5zWPv1Jm936YTYZ75gjyo1aq7itVQYN1rqU9raL38TBO1mmpYrQ jFXxfsN.jlGfx003UOz8695cx5Sv9YiEcHwPOb6eZ5LCcoYQE2iMw18SJbdX tlxsnNQydk1iDGgarssyUfONloUJ2Ejj13ADECthNXj7GCP.ZcHVtNfH1uj9 ruPgx92V2n4zY5tY428AeURvUdABpyTBfBXo9qrowepGQr7Ts6Xp_Be_WnSC _WoDyRQ-- [98.138.31.74]) by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2013 15:55:09 +0000 UTC References: From: Wbeech Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:52:43 -0600 To: marty Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Forums (off topic) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Might be a good day to send Mark a little, or big, Christmas present. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:28 AM, marty wrote: I just want to send a thank you out to our fearless leader MJB for keeping us on a mailing list format. Another group I belong to switched over to the forum format and I am stuck in my old ways I guess but no sir, I just don't like it. It is the new way I guess. I know the mailing list are a big pain for Mark to manage but it is more user friendly to me. You get to see activity immediately, not have to search to see what's going on. So, THANK YOU MARK FOR KEEPING US OLD SCHOOL! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 17:54:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3434301C for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:54:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6521D42EF9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:53:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2013 00:52:33 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.162] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2013 00:52:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2013 00:52:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 53113 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2013 00:52:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388019152; bh=XczMQmn+vq2fIibSMLVvpliUvlKGmm2CzXnIK1VY3GU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GxQyadhXE7buJtmaQWQ/xY+3MNa8AIsrzZoKJVftg1oORm5e4l4OBpxTkiHmEyijgIgfcuDIxtjjRNKPT4a8VVQRfv+m+rNttNd1fID2mdeZvjcvcOfOqBZcGLkZQaDD9C0Y5eBHzKY4EZ+US5cLqAL7FVm0CjKQBtjAdE3CJn8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B+coboBPUQbCCFdVCvbj0+7fzZsq2sARsWqegMyzL/T+ANgNRfoXQAtJzYZzuMZAAJt8KvaCoVGXR3GCCJXj5YSkQLsz0SiuwgVmvff322+MFdl0eBrLxauATqIadNMbuabVige8eWh+btjy+Xcbb87X+K0hoWf84Qk6c4dJYSU=; JKOSLHq8K5L9HrjKWVUgSS67u_lwhAPrGnVHb3ypf53BCqg5rQf8G1XcA2Ie Cv.SNlprihtWzauvQcwx7Ag4MBVg5OBz98E9XX9TFbafP.FW00Nov02TRM6_ rjJOLkj1XFnvgK47Qyc1FhoQ3xwAW27KYpqOfzCsQV_cOd29EimukhVn7CpV BOrBALOQBZpLKtRG2SlE9qBPHkszpCU97OG9GT4aVCHoqhQpcuSYi0vVToGa EAQtHW4bAPKSfRL2DUcWdhnUVcW6Td6wlDNbvKWeXFAMG8Ikk6MaE6h2rBKV VXyZiE2l.qUnOk6G_PRj1eH1G4YtmAnSgR5v8QyNoyBnWuBOW_d4oS0Czo65 4cls1PDVIQjKGgXg4dpO_rONjkxkcrAl3RzEfSiKk547Opxd.wrygIyBWo7m lDvOb9Q5UOPI.EdJNPP8QiJc_AjTjhmyH6TSxnmoLT071xWKpI7yaZYD6cQe qByJRGH1QXv05TxB9hoVIThRS.mCv05GMd4BjE2OgqwNAoIfnMHn.Wsl5mD7 bxjbW6E0L0IwbHcrinCvLzivX0Q-- Received: from [108.199.50.221] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:52:32 PST wqAgwqAgwqBTbywgSSBoYXZlIGEgMTk1MiBUcml1bXBoIFJlbm93bi4gMyB0aW1lcyBub3cgdGhlIDQgZHJ1bSBicmFrZXMgaGF2ZSBhbGwgZ290IGhvdCBhbmQgc2VpemVkIHVwIHdoaWxlIEkgd2FzIGRyaXZpbmcuIEl0IGhhcHBlbnMgYXQgYWJvdXQgdGhlIDQ1IG1pbnV0ZSBtYXJrIG9uIGFuIGVhc3kgZHJpdmUuIEkga2VlcCBhZGp1c3RpbmcgdGhlIHNob2VzIG9uIHRoZSBkcnVtIHRoaW5raW5nIHRoYXQgdGhleSBhcmUganVzdCBvdXQgb2YgYWRqdXN0bWVudCBhZnRlciBzbyBsaXR0bGUgdXNlIGZvciABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Drum Brake Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So, I have a 1952 Triumph Renown. 3 times now the 4 drum brakes have all got hot and seized up while I was driving. It happens at about the 45 minute mark on an easy drive. I keep adjusting the shoes on the drum thinking that they are just out of adjustment after so little use for so long. I don't see any brake fluid leaking from the brake cylinders that would have soaked the shoes. I am trying to avoid taking on another project. Can this brake problem be anything other than needing to put in new brake wheel cylinders and shoes? I keep backing off on the adjusters, but that is not working so far. -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 18:16:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD2342F0A for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 18:16:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1942EF9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 18:15:55 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=LxqvZSJYJmwA:10 a=GEcaAaGwWvRBjJo0xnMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8A/83-21976-C038BB25; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 01:14:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:14:53 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8B1NcRPjKzTEgZQtinFwvOy/bIMgAAOmlg Subject: Re: [TR] Drum Brake Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am trying to avoid taking on another project. Can this brake > problem be anything other than needing to put in new brake > wheel cylinders and > shoes? I keep backing off on the adjusters, but that is not > working so far. Sure sounds to me like the return valve in the MC is not opening (or possibly the residual pressure valve). Next time it happens, try loosening the fitting at the MC and let a few drops of fluid out (onto a rag or something). If the brakes release, then it's clearly a MC problem. Could be as simple as adjusting the pedal linkage or stop; or possibly a binding pedal pivot. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 18:56:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CFA43012 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 18:56:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CABD42EF9 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 18:55:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2013 01:54:52 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.232] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2013 01:54:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2013 01:54:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 79689 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2013 01:48:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388022491; bh=hLILf8vTv+BFmC5pb/8F6AOsZLda8mKQualSYs1Gmhw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PBOx4XNEpuf60Y9k9MKSi3rTxyykF7+9JMi9oiLLKPWXSBd4ll3XI8BNXrxFNDkmSVzJLYbe5XAhS7BQHmjO4kvT72pxMQ1VOwKtJqhllt8oOcRShnq9xK+Qo/rWT06JmkR7IFHiTHF8VlWIzLrqFEd4DiLi0jTvkc5GK5cga9o= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cNGscKb7tif6HHA1TMR4rpktxK8nTEIcQwiVQABooPSP0zaIM2/3u9mjfBYzFTR7dpzn2NpBH+M4cYZs0kLMX04bLyoLd7COMlPkkoMnOq32A3+KriJ5EHyuVgjji6CNX/PIXWbOgd9sZn7oifUIoaUst4fG671AP8tKRPXeM04=; O6adkLQ8GFBRAZ46R2LHdRpNJz9YX_28mt3TGdNxK3EccCCf6x89NHDZYtVF p2SwYhbEua4kHVpu7fx3_iJLDSZzxquvzbe5MNWoWZ4lyq1pVRyse6sUyV_Y 0nr5q8B8XyAmM5v_v3ri04y4RpslBwAZW1DZIP3Pamy193Vy3AtxtJ5xNeoU TCPwBtPEjwQ2zq46wPvNmucDvNU5HhKw9usIXUIazERZKfyikri0qpp_1s69 rqIf12.9iRKgjhzPAFSrxhyZQ.lPbZkQk1eU1OURNRFafOefoCm4.Cn9AdUu 16m8EPcNQLJxW2p4orZbSKHUUa6yRATTm0P4R3G8sRgYtsIfNfpxlfn8WP.. ES.BH5vgxxA2Wn_0jTHge48xJFaKrOoITTUfkja_3CrhyD1WxHUyxwhT1UUO 39kzc5aJTWzwquq0EGdzf.FyH4dwrMHn5SbbYUhGGg8qIDPR_Al3hqsuCcRQ YqOmtHrvYojxb98kjBka1kr614iYS8OuVR8Vy53ZQI69pepE8pucbvssa9yo 4tY3oy5TKImMOIZICaTHZCzICFJkY11Y- Received: from [108.199.50.221] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:48:11 PST wqAgwqAgwqBTbyBJIGp1c3QgY2hlY2tlZCB0aGUgYnJha2UgcGVkYWwgYW5kIGl0IHdvbid0IGRlcHJlc3MgYXQgYWxsLiBJdCBpcyBsaWtlIHRoZSBtYXN0ZXIgY3lsaW5kZXIgd29uJ3QgYnVkZ2UuwqBJIGNyYWNrZWQgb3BlbiB0aGUgZGlzY2hhcmdlIGxpbmUgZnJvbSB0aGUgTUMgYW5kIGJsZWQgb3V0IGEgZmV3IGRyb3BzLiBUaGUgYnJha2VzIGFyZSBzdGlsbCBhbGwgbG9ja2VkIGFuZCBJIGNhbid0IHB1c2ggdGhlIGNhci4KwqAgwqAgwqBJZiB0aGUgY3lsaW5kZXJzIHdlcmUgbGVha2luZyB0aGVuIGkBMAEBAQE- References: <1388019152.36767.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8A.83.21976.C038BB25@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Randall , 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Drum Brake Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I just checked the brake pedal and it won't depress at all. It is like the master cylinder won't budge. I cracked open the discharge line from the MC and bled out a few drops. The brakes are still all locked and I can't push the car. If the cylinders were leaking then it would be bleeding down, which it is not. Maybe it is because the shoes are hot and swollen so there is nothing for it to push against. The Renown has the same brakes as an MGTF. To re-do the brakes with all new repro components is about $500 if you do it all yourself. I am having the carb rebuilt and the front seat reupholstered in leather. I have the engine out of the TR3 and am repainting a door and fender on the TR6. My wife is not amused, not even at Christmas. -Bill ________________________________ From: Randall To: 'William Brewer' ; 'Triumphs' Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Drum Brake Questions > I am trying to avoid taking on another project. Can this brake > problem be anything other than needing to put in new brake > wheel cylinders and > shoes? I keep backing off on the adjusters, but that is not > working so far. Sure sounds to me like the return valve in the MC is not opening (or possibly the residual pressure valve). Next time it happens, try loosening the fitting at the MC and let a few drops of fluid out (onto a rag or something). If the brakes release, then it's clearly a MC problem. Could be as simple as adjusting the pedal linkage or stop; or possibly a binding pedal pivot. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 25 20:03:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8421B4302E for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:03:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B0E4302E for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.173]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CB326700000AC; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.5.107] (unknown [50.96.148.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mbe01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8C72C380000B3; Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:02:11 -0500 (EST) References: <1388019152.36767.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jack Mc Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:02:09 -0500 To: William Brewer x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388026931; bh=uuDm6CgnWAPC3mgxpNYIw2Pj/fkhz2eB8DpHOpTuuJo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=B+2y1RfMGva99tPsnCATLvsia9VLOeiv1jQri+wDwUJcsBdHb6dD+SdHXNHCnTc4/ YI4ptk1wt2gR6G3huCzEEHzK+ltGhRvf4AHa4j1a25DIsgm/Iv4V0umf/qHT5s/uvM PdSApebwepfKoO+1BMy5x1l8W/pDLwAWTE6ObvYM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afead52bb9c3376d8 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Drum Brake Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If this car has old rubber lines, they can swell internally to the point that they will cut off return flow of fluid - you can apply pressure and force fluid thru the constriction, but the fluid will not return - leaving the brakes locked. That would account for the reoccurrence after backing off the adjustment - but it would be weird if it happened to all the lines at once - one usually discovers this when it happens to one line resulting in the car pulling hard to one side after braking. Merry Christmas to all! Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:52 PM, William Brewer wrote: > > So, I have a 1952 Triumph Renown. 3 times now the 4 drum brakes have all > got hot and seized up while I was driving. It happens at about the 45 minute > mark on an easy drive. I keep adjusting the shoes on the drum thinking that > they are just out of adjustment after so little use for so long. I don't see > any brake fluid leaking from the brake cylinders that would have soaked the > shoes. > I am trying to avoid taking on another project. Can this brake > problem be anything other than needing to put in new brake wheel cylinders and > shoes? I keep backing off on the adjusters, but that is not working so far. > > > -Bill Brewer > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 21:20:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E588240405 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:20:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm47-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 082E540425 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm47.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2013 04:15:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.239] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2013 04:15:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2013 04:15:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 80882 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2013 04:15:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388204109; bh=AQ4LM9XbX+abfQobsUNe4WYM8FsNPZ3Ewpef8VobvdM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BvH5WRyDL26C4/pDDGeSENHdUdRQbgvES+CWHuzxi2LFMvhn42uu47scFavgQQB72rcyTokvarWnDOAPUMLAo49Lun0IGQWquU/g8Irh7LoZ79WwaUdJwOwM7160e13zgPyNZBKQjs+g5MJIGDjKSCnndY6kXbyoIuIJMVyhNmg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wIrwW2pNCEdfk3v9lpo40on8vUfQdtbtR3m+2y7lOB6DWrmzGKYKgYnV8DJYF8UwViF6DZUNS+JKAFU90XQjRNy35/wWKO91a4pas54uhhN4T+gshEIUP2WtyWv7MZWMtLB6Wm9POG3OHVYh0RO5kgpnxJrvzy4iIOT1M0fOlr8=; meMzuesJMrBYS7rr3gjORQ1D3OsB_xbIyzxln2oG5jDgfeN7alDoKNCLqPmw FSKWHw5.UD6Yiu3S0yfTgLwQP81DZP2D18wMe3D1DXkjAzt3v5G1asAs3WPk 06644ddSLEOYqMSZbtVXw5n0M67QALw8rYhkpSKQVrbkuhyC7FAXadNQQ9it i36KEszckKdpw3CJEI_CC6AJcSFEfB6vTNO_PikjEG9wHE4JMGFUgiW4VlpY ZjqiALe_8kW9tyyfiqsyxI7pb_jcVrk6fV4h1GAoGKQ7uJnTRm48QawhbC9P GjEcvPuv1fK7MZoTvMaBiy7SYncFVDTUZbOPGkM1RNGVrEBv7zJ8QNI0tXvr ajPg0rQxIrkxUFciqeFpYuTdxI4lMXfYRRLe0lhv44A6mEAvE.Hyp9em5FCQ oiKliWjmzKHGPU4tLHf4A5R5fVJtVf871SX2.55SePAbQJNeziSr35zn3eXj W9bKz7OGKzLexpXM_kW48BePCfCdbQt9PJ2QC0Ow3tfjPmKL3ouAVpBKNM86 j9MHdxSsZqSyd1Sak Received: from [99.101.58.88] by web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:15:08 PST TXkgZGFzaGJvYXJkL2luc3RydW1lbnQgcGFuZWwgaXMgb2xkIGFuZCBzdWNrcywgdG8gcHV0IGl0IG5pY2VseS4gwqBJIGRvbid0IHdhbnQgdG8gc3BlbmQgdGhlIGZvcnR1bmUgdGhhdCBvdXIgZmF2b3JpdGUgcGFydHMgc3VwcGxpZXJzIGFzayBmb3IgdGhlaXJzLiBTbywgSSB3ZW50IG91dCB0b2RheSBhbmQgYm91Z2h0IGEgbmljZSBwaWVjZSBvZiBCcmF6aWxsaWFuIE1haG9nYW55LCBJIHRoaW5rLiDCoE15IG1lbW9yeSBzdWNrcyBhbHNvLiDCoERvZXMgYW55Ym9keSBoYXZlIGEgcGF0dGVybiBmb3IgYSABMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My dashboard/instrument panel is old and sucks, to put it nicely. I don't want to spend the fortune that our favorite parts suppliers ask for theirs. So, I went out today and bought a nice piece of Brazillian Mahogany, I think. My memory sucks also. Does anybody have a pattern for a 1974 TR6 dash that they would like to share? I COULD trace it or take a photo of it and play with it in Photoshop and take it to Office Depot and have them print a full sized copy, but I, as always, am looking for the easier way. Also, which makes better sense: Putting in a new Clutch master/slave cylinder or rebuilding? For an old man, I sure do ask a lot of questions don't I? I hope everybody has had a good holiday season thus far and their team has come up victorious. Go NOLES,,,,1/6/14. Wish my dad was alive to see them playing in the stadium called The Rose Bowl. Anyway,,,,, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 27 22:29:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25449403EF for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:29:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5915A403A5 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mab01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mab01.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.81]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7434270000097; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (unknown [216.119.179.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mab01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 313333800009B; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:28:04 -0500 (EST) References: <1388204108.96514.YahooMailNeo@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Jack Mc Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 23:28:05 -0600 To: John Summers x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388208484; bh=zF+Udmt7ghfcgHtYC1m2t3kK+hF9alvcCLBaue8PXzI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=nbw3Vv6kKLXGkqf0i8aheOQeuf9UI0ToFDjR9ACSfXb48L6fdqn4DTP5UZrxY1Om/ Y9Kbd7bFROowZepd2+e5YJ7Bqon5sOYkUyWDwSxEi7ufinCB+vmkO03U255bjW1Tok Eudt8vk7wcXEw6sNh4UObFOgxEbGMkoYMK3v4po0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af95152be61643d42 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I hate to be a wet blanket, but unless that's Brazilian Mahogany marine plywood, it won't work as a dashboard - no solid piece of wood will - it will warp and crack - unless you somehow never expose it to changing weather (temperature and humidity) conditions. Get a new clutch slave and have the master re-sleeved in brass and rebuild it. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Dec 27, 2013, at 10:15 PM, John Summers wrote: > > My dashboard/instrument panel is old and sucks, to put it nicely. I don't > want to spend the fortune that our favorite parts suppliers ask for theirs. > So, I went out today and bought a nice piece of Brazillian Mahogany, I think. > My memory sucks also. Does anybody have a pattern for a 1974 TR6 dash that > they would like to share? I COULD trace it or take a photo of it and play > with it in Photoshop and take it to Office Depot and have them print a full > sized copy, but I, as always, am looking for the easier way. Also, which > makes better sense: Putting in a new Clutch master/slave cylinder or > rebuilding? For an old man, I sure do ask a lot of questions don't I? I hope > everybody has had a good holiday season thus far and their team has come up > victorious. > Go NOLES,,,,1/6/14. Wish my dad was alive to see them playing in > the stadium called The Rose Bowl. > Anyway,,,,, > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 08:12:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB4F403FA for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:12:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFFA400A5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eh20so4723184lab.19 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:09:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=S++6ZuK8RcQ4E+MKHKKV/N7D9ptfuPusl+1o7H/PXBU=; b=RpFrWF6MhwgoUA60SF+oMJj8IFW9cdqXF9+qlu2qh7LqPBZXc42xPNkxCHMuacw04X i6SIWzTIgc8m7WTgopXZmx3UuWXu8I++DymJBrtkLhgP+w2uYkAtZx8uVDRtw8tnMgWq 9hZjyyRdNc+OhoVxz/H2TeaQlSLCg+xBQGzRyYxUcGaJEoqpROnl6IIyziqobcack3yJ KW5h4ExRqStBrpVTo8H8mWqjTMH25An3f93cg11seORHWwgFUlTUewpGUZHtrAQrZmSB GBGtHi/jgyjkoo/+hjv63msUjmE46PvCT6IIC96aH7HvRWQsJfY5jiEaWoPHR8CAxQPQ PjXA== rp6mr8072577lbb.39.1388243349257; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.99.5 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:08:48 -0800 (PST) References: <1388204108.96514.YahooMailNeo@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:08:48 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John - I tend to agree with Jack on the plywood, but have seen a few solid dashes hold up ok (but seen more cracked ones) I just refinished one for our TR6 that we raffled off for charity and it had a crack in it - but was able to glue it up and it refinished just fine. for me - I recently put veneer over the dash from the 73. it was mostly in good shape but was delaminated in places so I glued and clamped those places back together. Here's a link - There was a really detailed instuction out there but i can't find it right now. http://ffr5355.wordpress.com/about/p-dashboard-construction/ I'll see if I can lay my dash on the scanner and send you some images - you might beable to print them and see how it fits - enlarge or adjust as needed. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2013-02-18_19-28-32_684 (1).jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2013-02-19_20-59-17_158 (2).jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 08:13:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D70C40424 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:13:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4734043F for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id w7so4866672lbi.30 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=NgYdnckpDtRwNgqapabg7+hotna7yqBRMMMJBYbN2Us=; b=VAMWWKIjaQJIbbtCGvI5/xq+uDANFpT6XG4B7kEDu/rollay+X7G+gzJWwBk16rylU xUwjowSs+IgqvnEo1/CRgBucdjSXFpXiavRAhPYXLCWlYVBV54lx19GiAm6NG4dFW080 bmfyoWEMg+OAmWzNeQhJ50CO44rJycgkWJ58Vt5RVM9Yn2iHcxSTjOBoA6GdVj4qPPMt TKsa0wcJD3evbF+wzPTEl7RMJ4vFpx/WM4Ud9N+bXou60DH8WNktwhmQY/sbxj65OXxa EQBbvawuups4y2qTH/i/6itjqyOcuXDFSnNiVdtm7J1D/g9BBGeSf1QG3lFirEFWS3Ve TDvQ== Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.99.5 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:11:39 -0800 (PST) References: <1388204108.96514.YahooMailNeo@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Chris Simo Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:11:39 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Sorry - I just re-read my note - the link is not mine. Sorry for any > confusion. > P.S. I'm getting a garage for Christmas!!! My wife just insisted that we make it larger! I must be asleep.... chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 08:37:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D67D40448 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:37:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from SGEXHT01.erau.edu (sgexht01.erau.edu [208.99.171.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957FD403A5 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:37:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.erau.edu (155.31.204.178) by SGEXHT01.erau.edu (10.133.155.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.158.1; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:35:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([68.202.149.196]) by mail.erau.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:35:56 -0500 From: John Wise Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:35:52 -0500 References: <1388204108.96514.YahooMailNeo@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: car discussion Sports Triumph FILETIME=[804484A0:01CF03E2] Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In the for what it is worth category. A long, long time ago (1968?) and in a place far, far away (Webb Air Force Patch in W Texas), I decided my 58 MGA would look much better with a wood dash. (Jet jocks need a snappy looking sports car.) So I went down to the local lumber yard & bought a appropriate sized piece of wood (too long ago to remember what kind) and after a lot of hole cutting and fitting/refitting, I varnished it and put it in that trusty MGA. I kept the car as my daily driver for 15 more years in Pittsburgh, St Louis, and then back in Pittsburgh. All places with hot, muggy summers and cold, miserable winters. And when I sold the car, the dash was as solid and crack free as when I put it in. John John Wise John.A.Wise@mac.com http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html On 28 Dec, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > Hi John - I tend to agree with Jack on the plywood, but have seen a few > solid dashes hold up ok (but seen more cracked ones) > > I just refinished one for our TR6 that we raffled off for charity and it > had a crack in it - but was able to glue it up and it refinished just fine. > > for me - I recently put veneer over the dash from the 73. it was mostly > in good shape but was delaminated in places so I glued and clamped those > places back together. Here's a link - There was a really detailed > instuction out there but i can't find it right now. > > http://ffr5355.wordpress.com/about/p-dashboard-construction/ > > I'll see if I can lay my dash on the scanner and send you some images - you > might beable to print them and see how it fits - enlarge or adjust as > needed. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2013-02-18_19-28-32_684 (1).jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2013-02-19_20-59-17_158 (2).jpg] > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.a.wise@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 09:38:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE83D42982 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:38:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3379403F3 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:37:47 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=RxoR9d-wdXkA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oDODnwjq0Dl5UMygiwcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50029] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 1C/B9-08168-01EFEB25; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:36:32 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "Chris Simo" References: <1388204108.96514.YahooMailNeo@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:36:55 -0500 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, Regarding the new garage, it might be a trick to get a place to store Christmas decorations... Ask me how I know. LOL, Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Simo" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard >> Sorry - I just re-read my note - the link is not mine. Sorry for any >> confusion. >> > > P.S. I'm getting a garage for Christmas!!! My wife just insisted that > we > make it larger! I must be asleep.... > > chris > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 28 11:00:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996CA4044B for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:00:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCBF4003A for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:59:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [71.122.179.90]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYJ00FF038VVE90@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:58:12 -0600 (CST) From: "CFM-TR" To: "'Chris Simo'" Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:58:02 -0500 Thread-index: Ac8D9fda3YWYEpNIQh6gRA4qwlvvfQ== Content-language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] New Garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net btdt.... :0) But - Chris, go for as large as you can get. In the case of a garage - bigger is definitely better. Not knowing if it is attached or separate from the house - seriously think about 10' or even 12' walls - especially if a lift is ever a possibility. the extra height also helps with keeping it cooler in the summer. Typical 2 car garages are 22x22; add an extra 10-12' on the back for workspace or even a separate room (heated and/or a/c'd). allows for more use during those hot or cold days. (but again - keep the decs out. I lost that battle and about 4x10') I built a loft over the back room which is great for rough storage. mine is an insulated metal garage - overall is 25x35; 2 doors on short end; room at the back. 3 elect circuits around the perimeter; a 4-plug receptacle every 5 ft (every third rec is on the same circuit) plus a 220 in one corner. Also a circuit for lights (ten 4' fluorescents) and another for ceiling fans (4) . The small room & loft has 3 more circuits; 1 for lights; 1 for rec; & 1 for a/c. (it's Florida - we don't have to worry about heat :^) ). The one thing I am kicking myself about is no plumbing. washing up isn't a problem - there is a garden spigot on the outside of the building but it is a long walk into the house for... But the cost would have been much much more. Just some things for you to think about. PLUS - she will get the main garage back for parking her car without fumes, oils spots, a mess in the corner.... Carl Great Christmas present..... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:37 AM To: Chris Simo Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard Chris, Regarding the new garage, it might be a trick to get a place to store Christmas decorations... Ask me how I know. LOL, Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Simo" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Ye olde dashboard >> Sorry - I just re-read my note - the link is not mine. Sorry for any >> confusion. >> > > P.S. I'm getting a garage for Christmas!!! My wife just insisted that > we > make it larger! I must be asleep.... > > chris > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 29 18:01:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DC040410 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:01:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8DD40410 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:01:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id gq1so11136536obb.17 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:00:18 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=YVzBG7gqNKtosXzCgQy+E1TY2crCsy8Ec6d8hhhO+30=; b=uptDUQcLQltlmd8Y4ACmP76bnHwdsSMK22O5B0zjRUBTdvDUlTlyIC7pXnzMOgb+BS 5HUNw8wg4WP4esCnSRYtzRIfODY05tDv3PZI8Sl5G3tqrdDafaUk1domsWKdT3T1R94x cqSFuUMv0lCkk2hA1o2k7GbipT/aF88frhLY6bHsY6/vW53piRGQ/gk3U/WTx881n3Zr twj2GpVTX3v0Kk//0I7DEmzisfdk2D183sXFk2ddr6+F+VEV/IalCI7w/HmSij+h6dCx 3CNJdjbVjjUOqXuJUdg/AE+hcNqO3FyQn9MAHgpCoLTyd3YZ0uVUWovXssXfSDwWVUUC u76g== df17mr42567072oec.16.1388365218766; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xs17sm60679290oeb.1.2013.12.29.17.00.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:00:17 -0500 Thread-index: Ac8E+oF1//W+BEAVRYWDfhaoCZZcxw== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am deciding on whether to put new chrome wires on my TR4 rebuild project. I want to go tubeless and wondered what the experiences of the list were from Dayton or Dunlop wheels. Also, do you need a specialty shop to mount the tires on these? Since my 4 is an early one, I am also considering the wide white walls as on the original postcard photo and dread going to the local tire shop to have mounted. I can just see a black streak on the white walls from their machine. Haven't had wires before so appreciate any feedback. Just pulled the rear axle out and leaf springs for a redo. Cheers, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 06:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9CB40406 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 06:18:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6AF403E4 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 06:13:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:39956] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 77/D5-02681-40171C25; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:11:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:11:32 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: James Henningsen , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <132701cf04fa$8282f7b0$8788e710$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I have painted Daytons on my 63 4. So far they have worked out very well. The car had the original Dunlop wheels but they were in terrible shape. All the loose spokes I tried to repair were frozen. So when a set came up on Ebay, I jumped. Fitted 165/15 Cooper black walls. But alas, the Coopers are NLA. I used the Harbor freight setup to mount the tires. Also fitted tubes sourced from Moss. I believe I just finished my 8th season and so far no loss of air. I also have heard on this list that the painted steel spokes are stronger than the SS version. Not sure about the chrome version. Most likely same as the painted. It is my opinion that wire wheels look best on a 4 of all the Triumphs. I have the stock wheels on my 58 3 and Super Lite silvers on my 72 6. Quite a nice contrast when they are all together. Bob On 12/29/2013 08:00 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I am deciding on whether to put new chrome wires on my TR4 rebuild project. > I want to go tubeless and wondered what the experiences of the list were > from Dayton or Dunlop wheels. Also, do you need a specialty shop to mount > the tires on these? Since my 4 is an early one, I am also considering the > wide white walls as on the original postcard photo and dread going to the > local tire shop to have mounted. I can just see a black streak on the white > walls from their machine. Haven't had wires before so appreciate any > feedback. Just pulled the rear axle out and leaf springs for a redo. > > Cheers, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 07:03:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C7840409 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:03:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC6D403E7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 11so5742576vbe.38 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 06:01:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NkSh0I2P2y9VdzpV1L5zUwdNrpLWFRuwqg5rfVlpn1M=; b=r2Dvj7Tr05ciaBDLD/U7afR5pmUl1qNBI98yBbBFnx/olsB3gdkNVXXDY+V2+oA3jt rPOPApMi9izZfK0E8NlSPTOhOmEamIsyAGXitRlMv0U6kPXcRHVqd/j/9DC1gGFF+QRK rJFLz8Owl2t0oT6ugKLmVKkdRcE695tTkQe/js5XQ9uQyYwD1W5mhug284vXH65pkNYk WIDeNgeCqVk3qUk0sT+y11d00YotjqXXG94qHP4BXIq6vdFOlkPM1xLgj8dXgKVAIrd0 7fLLl6hTWRmpj/MukWPjJcfzUCFaPtD92ATJFo/wRDVBzUZyhx79LGkf02Vodb2Mikba 1Pzw== uu4mr1610023vdc.47.1388412111974; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 06:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.36.228 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 06:01:51 -0800 (PST) References: <132701cf04fa$8282f7b0$8788e710$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:01:51 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim -- I have recently (1 year) put the Daytons on my other LBC and had to reseal the spokes to get them to hold air w/o tubes. Possibly due to the factory seal being scraped during mounting (looked pretty skimpy to me) but they are fine now. I have had the painted Dunlops on my TR4 for about a decade (on & off as I also use them on my TR3A) and think they look great -- but that's just my taste: E-Types look right with chrome wires, TRs look right with painted. I, too, mount and balance my own with Harbor Freight equipment. Just replaced my old Coopers with Vreds this past week. 185/15s are very easy to mount thanks to that tall side wall. I always mount from the backside so there are no marks on the rim or tire when I'm done. A shop should be able to do the same if that is your concern. Geo On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 6:00 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I am deciding on whether to put new chrome wires on my TR4 rebuild project. > I want to go tubeless and wondered what the experiences of the list were > from Dayton or Dunlop wheels. Also, do you need a specialty shop to mount > the tires on these? Since my 4 is an early one, I am also considering the > wide white walls as on the original postcard photo and dread going to the > local tire shop to have mounted. I can just see a black streak on the > white > walls from their machine. Haven't had wires before so appreciate any > feedback. Just pulled the rear axle out and leaf springs for a redo. > > Cheers, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 07:37:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5507F403FE for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:37:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4565403EA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131230143448.XDRQ10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:34:48 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 7qao1n00B19GmcH05qaoo6; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:34:48 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=7N2hENjDmNMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=KvkyfLtAQlAA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=XfX5FXB7O-KO-Ok5bG4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:34:49 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: *Triumphs List Subject: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've decided this is the season to replace the convertible top on my 75 TR6. The last 38 years have about taken their toll, and I can no longer stretch it enough to fasten it. TRF has a 20% off sale going on right now...but there are three choices of material. As little as I actually use the top, it won't get much exposure, but as I do want to be able to drive on days other than absolutely perfect and predictable, I need a top I can count on. Will the minimum Robbins top do? (with stripes and zips, of course) Any other suggestions to consider? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 09:06:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB7E40400 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:06:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A927B403E2 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:00:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131230155851.PYPI24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:58:51 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 7ryZ1n0051UBpzb05ryZtL; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:58:51 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=PLODDpc70bkA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=2qfbNTg-yF0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=Tii4IHP2ODv4ziXPeswA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=tabrq-ZgqIRGMzxa:21 a=zERQ9B5XFxOrgRIP:21 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Jeff'" , "'*Triumphs List'" References: <52C18489.6000206@charter.net> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:58:33 -0500 Thread-Index: AQMyV3gHldC98FhUvpCOKrP3NTdD5pemQHoA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We just bought the mid-line Robbins top with a zippered window but without the stripes from TRF. Can't tell you much more because it's still in the box and under the tree! Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:35 AM To: *Triumphs List Subject: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top I've decided this is the season to replace the convertible top on my 75 TR6. The last 38 years have about taken their toll, and I can no longer stretch it enough to fasten it. TRF has a 20% off sale going on right now...but there are three choices of material. As little as I actually use the top, it won't get much exposure, but as I do want to be able to drive on days other than absolutely perfect and predictable, I need a top I can count on. Will the minimum Robbins top do? (with stripes and zips, of course) Any other suggestions to consider? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 09:54:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5686342ADC for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:54:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1752640E1A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 16:51:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.244] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 16:51:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 16:51:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388422263; bh=fjZE+m9CTOB/nBIuus6A/InmtOwlE/r6s4gc3x6ayz4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-index; b=G0aWflRaESpdbiZED7+n8C6K8AKn8oeZMxR11hbE0B1vSTVkN4V2m19qS8TpkPJVx6oSE2HJyWKIX9RzY+YZ7YHPIrXtTdjcZUAF0DBIlXruUf8sygYx2lEJQOi4rf5OrrpwcVo80CPyuaqHSnuWTBtSZiIaah81vHT4Z96dyqg= p2u36KwpHywTtRHHap5W_nrOz6sqteygcE2i_Ykki_AQ8UCYsAt2NrzRbMOr oBAQmXx_YUAuVT1u.DWBSOuM0.SGdgikDLo3R9qVIGmuIg0ftjM52XLsR1be ZPSxAZldISLntn7cEYW4mAYjPUiPcrfAgAXWaOj.Arjt9wsC3pbZBS5.x1IN 5CfTbwx7y6XZXGL6VM5f1CmMIaL3wwhDRzAT3p2Q3apnrpbEW1YiE39mMBDn dZJsiQ0Iopmu83qvcgaGKuzrXcX_NUK2OEgvjESlkqHVbwYQIcJPoUzekxzi c9Eqy4h4gBnR3TSqgfb7_zecZeGY9f0S0qSCKk_Teo5Il9t9Fp4WSzaln_BG VbXgcFhERFww727_LwnpSajrpX34lj_.p25d99.fpiTQrwlfligzdUVYYLjF iwiH.Hd5fKr2pM9sUjvWp2rBo55h8xrhUAQ7vi.qbX1pae0dXSYvYtpee3UH 5IYzBkvvc2YkC2HTABzgmJOUc8xfqcVTIMNSe3Qdlb0V.SC.wcFIcli7n3g- - [98.138.31.74]) by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2013 16:51:03 +0000 UTC From: To: "'James Henningsen'" , References: <132701cf04fa$8282f7b0$8788e710$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:50:28 -0600 Thread-index: Ac8E+oF1//W+BEAVRYWDfhaoCZZcxwAg2xJg Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net James, Alan at Hendrix Wire Wheel discouraged me from going tubeless even though my new Dunlop 60-spoke painted wheels were touted to be such. Instead of the DIY route I waited for a sale and had Moss ship the wheels to him, bought Nankang wide white walls from Diamondback and had them shipped to Hendrix as well. Alan took care of re-painting the wires red to match the interior of the car, mounting, balance & shaving. All was securely packaged and shipped to me for immediate installation. Now I turn heads wherever I drive it, see June of last year's BCF calendar. BTW, per Alan, chrome wires have SS spokes and are not as strong and the painted steel. NFI, Bill [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of moss13.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 09:58:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991C542820 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:58:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDCE40453 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h16so11981684oag.25 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:56:38 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=8pwjwsFvdXObFsTTTwjcb5zSYTCBD9/mJYvn4Hz3MQA=; b=d7Lhda/j7GADH6VlbWIbDMd+owWijSTUeDsSqrWv2bdZ9BZ36thvsDcOBJum6NvVYR iPOQMAy/WcOpMCgV1pA+Y6kfxk0cDpUYnNG0bL96F36Yt3/dDOVj5xCToti2ktPNnRa3 LS2qvkTlr9Ep7IHGrLXni6pXAXrXMpX/x7344VC7sbFmMrnH/yVEAtypWvhE/wWR1VFI qqxDYmyYDkELD1whKolqsH5Vxtau7BL0iwXhe5qK5Ih6rFW8N2jKpHKGCHiANVPAI6CL ckzTuAwzuXr2f5ExGSr4zxjKXJBJvQcL9TIss3q6KmDnCLYwiJw3ytHYrVYL0JHhSTN8 KQXg== ws7mr45189363obb.6.1388422598331; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id si9sm63960681oeb.8.2013.12.30.08.56.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:56:37 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: , References: <132701cf04fa$8282f7b0$8788e710$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:56:39 -0500 Thread-index: AQL852Kb2E72dOmr2zvGFqN0tmu51AFU4LdmmAaJqIA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill and all: Thanks for the responses on the wire wheel question. I am going to give Alan a call at Hendrix. Cheers, Jim Henningsen -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 11:50 AM To: 'James Henningsen'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] Wire Wheels James, Alan at Hendrix Wire Wheel discouraged me from going tubeless even though my new Dunlop 60-spoke painted wheels were touted to be such. Instead of the DIY route I waited for a sale and had Moss ship the wheels to him, bought Nankang wide white walls from Diamondback and had them shipped to Hendrix as well. Alan took care of re-painting the wires red to match the interior of the car, mounting, balance & shaving. All was securely packaged and shipped to me for immediate installation. Now I turn heads wherever I drive it, see June of last year's BCF calendar. BTW, per Alan, chrome wires have SS spokes and are not as strong and the painted steel. NFI, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 12:14:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D860D40537 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:14:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568CF403FA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:09:40 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9GWuu0RhAskA:10 a=YIGqNyY0AAAA:8 a=DZJXviAgym2TZTKp14sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HBt1L780YqoA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E2/EE-21884-594C1C25; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:08:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:08:06 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8FYbtWr6FObCbET0KRE74hHQ/SXwAL/A5w Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I also have heard on this list that the painted steel spokes are > stronger than the SS version. Not sure about the chrome version. I believe it was the chrome spokes that were weak. The chrome plating process releases hydrogen, which weakens the steel (hydrogen embrittlement). Modern "chrome" Dayton wire wheels only come with polished SS spokes (at least in the spline drive versions). http://www.daytonwirewheel.com/spline_drive.php Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 12:17:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082DC42F4C for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:17:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E8640440 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k14so10468242wgh.10 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=M8TtTWTyurizVrx2yrhOuh1NXJg6x1ahfpFDfnwYyrY=; b=HFx4ffoOy5SPpIsy1AFpJr4GI6HUumo6wgrEyHkRoB5ZKRWVuQK1Zq6IvnncJbB2ik QTINvxKGfq5L5SHWyxDrXS/1VTzZ9QSncazRuq+hW7xKGies1JdrMMvxe54on8h/05ei F2s9CO7yo+ePasfFGZ4zYnAk5V8Afu+quEL/HiCtrLr7Kr7A/LJxf0uIk6dcUlwWhqHk xbh4sNOQzbSeIh6DHTS87cCWtqAZzh+9FvOHD/cB/9v9IZjpA3fM2+6sD0n74/LN8Z6n ZVOQ86tR0cjFejKPzvjZEMYj6uxSM52ICvV3X0C5FocALbPWKoVWOX+ip/hRSw6namvT rmwQ== bn1mr45995288wjb.18.1388430672273; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.32.131 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) References: <52C18489.6000206@charter.net> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:11:12 -0600 From: Irv Korey To: Jeff Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Jeff wrote: > I've decided this is the season to replace the convertible top on my 75 > TR6. The last 38 years have about taken their toll, and I can no longer > stretch it enough to fasten it. > > TRF has a 20% off sale going on right now...but there are three choices of > material. As little as I actually use the top, it won't get much exposure, > but as I do want to be able to drive on days other than absolutely perfect > and predictable, I need a top I can count on. > > Will the minimum Robbins top do? (with stripes and zips, of course) > Jeff, After reading excellent reviews over the years of Robbins tops, I finally replaced the original top on my TR6 with a Robbins top this past summer. The Robbins top is beautifully made, it fits great and looks great on my TR6. BUT, IMO there is a design flaw. The "pillow" that acts as a seal between the trailing edge of the door glass and the top is located about 1/2" too far rearward. As a result, the door glass barely contacts the sealing surface and sealing in that area is poor, as I discovered on my way to 6-Pack TRials in September. When I got to TRials, I looked over every other TR6 there. Of the 60+ TR6's, only a handful did not have that issue, and those cars without the issue did not have Robbins tops. If your car is going to be out in the weather infrequently, then it should not be a problem for you. I have attached a pic of my car which shows the problem. The list will strip the attachment from the other subscribers, but you will be able to see what I feel is the flaw. HTH. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U original owner Highland Park, IL [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Robbins Top poor fit at back edge of window.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 12:54:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11EB42EFA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:54:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A312A4040A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:51:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from rrcs-74-62-4-205.west.biz.rr.com ([74.62.4.205] helo=[10.0.2.111]) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vxiqs-000I8p-DE; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:50:14 +0000 http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:50:15 -0800 From: Allan Reich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net, fishplate@charter.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff: I was in the same position about a year ago and I decided on a coloured top! My friend had a red TR5 with a red top and it looked fantastic! I have a French Blue 1975 TR6 and I got a dark blue vinyl top from Rimmer Bros. and I love the way it accents my car. Obviously depends on your colour! Allan Reich Vancouver 1975 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 14:29:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DDA40453 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:29:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2506D40437 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.191] by nm36.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 21:19:16 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.204] by tm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 21:19:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2013 21:19:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388438356; bh=WqPYe8CS//gHpQp9CneykCuVSIAHRJZSfwkIj5GzyvE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=QEI1pmar5pLpPhZXI/GFoMdoHGMeTuW1GE/yc+S8UXw5j6c0Y1H02JtUk3LAnz8IBE6P0sPCohuHV5foz0OLpqiE1hbVqND3+i4vi9neKHnzx4vFcF0MuR0Zlz30ptC2Via1LlEXhuYTBPY9W+0bfcU4AWh5BK4/ypoD5xwhBqs= hlYRsAVz.4edsCRuId9NtDmwV9bI7ScsDO3GosgL8qs1mOJSKC88dr8Pplxm YR3zyV438SgAyT.tdbYXvRiCLmEVdsTkUsrEz3UnhUxzliZRIL1.m4pmc23H 7ToTCguOXA_TIv7uMrzzflgBVJcfyzv_mRBcSbpbjnpuEWgzrdGRSOejg2OU _6D5Ya8mbYBEdbRKdJODSvKzNRbSzJ04CsNTo6dn4_im1wWhs_TYcbTaAvx4 zkKDrsFwNVcaI0D9uN4P8F6wzj_rmzVXEdxXG3HskbGVL9VdalR84yu_Lut_ 1nVrj13InRY_l029Pn9w6xgz8ZDiW8grkx2FfpFitacdbNkIK_2owtuDhSCZ JIpHRTpb09i8m9TpUsU8WdI5_UUUS_R4oR568nBezlT2LGc.gRAXAPijz8vP f7Qm7ooR.zmChfOk50qpBvwzTD85BQ8y.PdXqn5yGTbn4UlbGnAso0UIhLAx 7kXJ2oI1k8SWk9bxAdZ9xUkoQEjou7eLW7avJ1Q8Iuvh.x.kXy.h9ZGcUtmw q01IRsLWYCw_BV6U- xymcookie [98.138.86.130]) by smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2013 13:19:15 -0800 PST From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:19:15 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, Am going through rear suspension components in preparation for reassembly. Have Armstrong dampers. About twice the force is required to move one damper arm vs. the other. Seems like the resistance of the two dampers should be close. Fluid levels are equal. So, should the resistance of the dampers be close to the same? If they aren't, is there an easy fix? BTW, is there an off-the-shelf oil that can be used, or is TR shock absorber fluid required. Thanks. John DeLuca TR4A in Restoration ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 14:41:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3EB40433 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:41:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBDA40406 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7xAE1n0030vp7WLAFxeuvl; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:38:54 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7xf31n00M2yr1eL8Rxf3sj; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:39:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:39:03 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1388439534; bh=RNiCpil9FTurS/Jlc5nBACTItIhiOQowksxwFrZbURI=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=LAf6tWCCUEKbgz4mqJ5F34lfmP48p8GUr9w8e4xRvGXw7VdLCuC/reNfsH0VtIwjW F8V9yV9lBR5MwcB72x5azCf8KCuHgphIH4mUMa5XTZA64UpjUyk790MpxnlZG1g9p2 xLG8K8b/SWOMEBSfYlbUNzRxt6ixu8jCDwIsxT8ucX9/JETpa0EwceZ3OCwA2g/0j2 NZovv776NWAA1/6gjFJ1tqBHu3US4jwUNe58GvhJwkABQoVqJLWuzNg3DXVyMdz052 /xPjP9f3/VDrjvy6lm+LmhjOa0Ucy209zyFLt7xxdDK2WDEsBKOZ72e8rLktFAZVRU NZW2bhfRCyMOw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I spoke (no pun intended) directly with an engineer at Dayton. B Chromed-steel spokes are no good do to hydrogen embrittlement. Stainless spokes are strong, but the threads are not strong enough to allow serious tightening. The best bet for serous driving is painted steel. B Dayton uses high-strength wire with robust threads and tightens the wires enough that the wheels are very rigid. B The wheels should never need to be trued. Best wheels for spirited driving are alloys. B If you must have wire wheels, go with Dayton painted wheels. B Strong, original in appearance, and cheaper than the chrome/stainless ones. B Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 1:08:06 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels > > I also have heard on this list that the painted steel spokes are > > stronger than the SS version. Not sure about the chrome version. > > I believe it was the chrome spokes that were weak. The chrome plating > process releases hydrogen, which weakens the steel (hydrogen > embrittlement). > > Modern "chrome" Dayton wire wheels only come with polished SS spokes > (at least in the spline drive versions). > http://www.daytonwirewheel.com/spline_drive.php > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 16:53:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A954040F for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:53:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail05.enterhost.com (mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07E5403ED for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:53:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-187-242-14.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.242.14] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:51:33 -0600 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:52:05 -0600 References: To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would expect them to be roughly equal. You might try draining each, inspecting/cleaning the inside "valve", refilling and checking again. If they are still not even, then I suspect one of the "valves" is bad. Right or wrong, I used Harley Davidson fork oil in mine. On Dec 30, 2013, at 3:19 PM, john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hello List, > > Am going through rear suspension components in preparation for reassembly. > Have Armstrong dampers. About twice the force is required to move one damper > arm vs. the other. Seems like the resistance of the two dampers should be > close. Fluid levels are equal. > > So, should the resistance of the dampers be close to the same? If they > aren't, is there an easy fix? BTW, is there an off-the-shelf oil that can be > used, or is TR shock absorber fluid required. Thanks. > > John DeLuca > TR4A in Restoration > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 17:08:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AB34040A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:08:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1BA403F5 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id pa12so6310644veb.16 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:06:39 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KsSUoDZDiqKymlwqd0ZvQIZLbAT8M9f3hPIXAzfTddQ=; b=CbqicaLTudqnOPceIx6gF2wtNGP9gdsibvtfuutguNjRnMebYLPg1VBvE9vmhPbexQ v/1qNNnmbJIchW8rMRQRHTcdOwR0EE9byu72tpWH69VoxlYNbXmtksch3KDAuowWmqkA 2rTskLziCUhA8nDwDKGDi6MpJ/QXasmIzQeR33dcET8/6SQo/Dr/FGfz87MCdb9+Hu7Y UohabiI1EKT3+afP9hJ4aiVmkjtP7pBu41YCL8FZsQ+Ml3SALQ3L7E1FEQdXew/Xs9pU jUKtqX1UaQNt497mjp2D202Wp1Z6fwHlz4Z8z4Na8G7IDW5/4sAD1va48pCV4jLmqHMA 6sAA== k13mr4151662vco.25.1388448399643; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.36.228 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:06:39 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:06:39 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I, too, use fork oil from a local motorcycle shop. It is available is various weights (10, 20 & others). Geo On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM, wrote: > Hello List, > > Am going through rear suspension components in preparation for reassembly. > Have Armstrong dampers. About twice the force is required to move one > damper > arm vs. the other. Seems like the resistance of the two dampers should be > close. Fluid levels are equal. > > So, should the resistance of the dampers be close to the same? If they > aren't, is there an easy fix? BTW, is there an off-the-shelf oil that can > be > used, or is TR shock absorber fluid required. Thanks. > > John DeLuca > TR4A in Restoration > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 17:21:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C68C40423 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:21:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D437403F9 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:19:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h16so12365615oag.25 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:18:09 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=hqj3l0FfnwDOJbXNs4hUdMGpN8aK10eyxWym3KN3BiQ=; b=asbEgsjYj7rEhsxGHmByQX1rgrS19Gl96Y4OA05c3GMk3AoILjpOX3emoxdiz0Dv8n sWMvflbjNaR+ZCUJXIN2C2sYXu5askAHeVLxuxkIwBbDOM9FuFIxNLQq0h0ZpDqzmMdx 4STtiAHdtoSUXt5svKkiKqlH2v8CU00127vUAieDsoV83fTS61Jfc+63T8IlTSJu01hZ NIw1k9S9aIZWUobH07ZrH4o87G/t0VVX7rvEaF8gM2tH9Qkr9v+EESV9+EUInMHRvj+5 7aE0JG2PWxF/bykgE7pn4X50OP3b0P+KzUrnmrXkCfu1KgkIifRZSRdPC6dNSm0gPrkX 8Q4A== ze8mr2339402obc.72.1388449088904; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tr10sm55929792obb.6.2013.12.30.16.18.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:18:09 -0500 Thread-index: AQI4pdtqlYDZVGe+17b8yKFCXNHMiAL28CAEmYJ3XfA= Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I noticed that some shops rebuild the dampers for heavy duty. Is there a special weight of oil to upgrade the dampers or is there a rebuild and valve switch out required. I too need to rebuild my dampers and want to upgrade their performance as I have Moss competition leaf springs and ARE bronze bushings ready to install. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 7:07 PM To: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) I, too, use fork oil from a local motorcycle shop. It is available is various weights (10, 20 & others). Geo On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM, wrote: > Hello List, > > Am going through rear suspension components in preparation for reassembly. > Have Armstrong dampers. About twice the force is required to move one > damper arm vs. the other. Seems like the resistance of the two > dampers should be close. Fluid levels are equal. > > So, should the resistance of the dampers be close to the same? If > they aren't, is there an easy fix? BTW, is there an off-the-shelf oil > that can be used, or is TR shock absorber fluid required. Thanks. > > John DeLuca > TR4A in Restoration > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 18:13:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEC340425 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:13:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBC240409 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:13:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 81C41n00J2QmmGk011C5Nh; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:12:06 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <13ea01cf05bd$c9c17390$5d445ab0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:11:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/ShockRec.jpg I highly recommend these people. itbs a heavy duty valve according to them. I went with the heavy duty as you can see on the receipt. one of mine was leaking, and of course I could tell a significant difference right away. what I think is funny is that if I had gone with a tube shock conversion, I would be extolling its virtues and saying how much better it is. -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 6:18 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) I noticed that some shops rebuild the dampers for heavy duty. Is there a special weight of oil to upgrade the dampers or is there a rebuild and valve switch out required. I too need to rebuild my dampers and want to upgrade their performance as I have Moss competition leaf springs and ARE bronze bushings ready to install. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 19:05:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A46240510 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:05:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CD9403EC for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:05:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 81fq1n0010EPchoA9243AH; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 02:04:03 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 82431n0072xZMJ48M243Dn; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 02:04:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 02:04:03 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Dave s=q20121106; t=1388455443; bh=yQ3+8fuyyEfwhR6eHwwGBl2lWunV9pKrDPJ3T0Sf8l4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=I6ph4H0/rXqURJH26Msh6Mzu2QWREJchxV79Tj4AdASCMtxMTXkdoxbFu0CW3Ksyc ptLarabeN59wQ44l+kP5FGbRgOwYo0CJILVAmXxE4RzM5c6NsWtjEgqwd3D+kYiBax VmU0PG2QtSj/ZHEeelV+MyjCZPpCzqJTyTDKvV7j6tsW2moSY2z2Zm3+aSHt19YtzZ VjHFCmrKzCm0jsHkboGWgClYfrg4WW7eozXeqIZJEa8niBngfkLlL9Fq8EX7O9E2O0 mbrd4yNwksnppElcyVDRCpCdCm1EzZ0MJR/LKSKzPWnzcNZdNstq787EGP/9whRdxw +4qLt2B7oTM6g== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, You nailed it with the World Wide Auto Parts connection. Anyone interested in renewing and or rebuilding or upgrading their lever arm shocks should contact Peter Caldwell at World Wide, also known as Nosimport.com. Peter will provide you with the best bang for your buck. I have no financial interest to this topic, only completely satisfied results from doing business with Peter. You could drain, partially disassemble, clean and refill your shocks with 30wt. motorcycle fork oil, but they will never work like a fresh rebuild set from Nosimport. Their prices are very reasonable. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 5:11:45 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/ShockRec.jpg I highly recommend these people. itbs a heavy duty valve according to them. I went with the heavy duty as you can see on the receipt. one of mine was leaking, and of course I could tell a significant difference right away. what I think is funny is that if I had gone with a tube shock conversion, I would be extolling its virtues and saying how much better it is. -----Original Message----- From: James Henningsen Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 6:18 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A rear dampers (shock absorbers) I noticed that some shops rebuild the dampers for heavy duty. Is there a special weight of oil to upgrade the dampers or is there a rebuild and valve switch out required. I too need to rebuild my dampers and want to upgrade their performance as I have Moss competition leaf springs and ARE bronze bushings ready to install. Thanks, Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 Ocala, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 19:38:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DABE40E1A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:38:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5410040510 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 02:35:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.240] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 02:35:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 02:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 28767 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2013 02:35:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388457337; bh=H3esaUfgRxiOoHu46rRPTcpZaowxRL6sdoIP7U8+cPE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xcsBd56GvEkDwqkAbI/sY4fsTZNKng+CTnPCyZVVoLaVqbEJW65+bPuA5Gz/OVnaim6mnHoqNR+I6uA2yDrRJC+y/W98qV4OiZ22/RY5GrVQEzGR26kN4hqsUAVqD+urv8VC7Zx2Xuww5LjDHmuxurAr+3g0ar8tL09yGdk3dqU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sO/t4S0EsM2jlrpHygLGsl9uu97A9X4doe5X6kFNDjvddSl+NsHf6KXLVMoVIH6C4VVikhJJoUJ2b4Qalm9hOqSC3kLJyUXiw2SIbhwUHOO7+OkSwU+NmPi3WEepw/W+QGuH0Yk+CLnWnzI0Najh5RMVewBkFGooPmwq8hNTMXE=; jf6MKMuKkMrR9AXQK.f078hy2JF_LVGRsEV4zSWVUD1WDLzpNiI1DnLnsDtc MroUhNMEELJtqSX6i.Rgbal4pM4UGCST.I7lN8nhDIW6CN_gjSh3IlN3imhk yPSbkisF5TDvHR4R3t7zNiRv2WBpgE3Uf7WKBUl8zALIUswgRfE1PoD0dFd5 UE3zCBFtizpInWCBUhgREaEMy1snl9QzKvkzxIuVvY8n06CS9X2u5q_dTikU nTtxHkcxWi5NIGUxMoA.w.e_RXd0lhSqU53sJ2og4tyh8errbwNAHdrm51Tn qzSjfysIGDaYgPVsVIJWKvjYAoZFnABMOqbkOsQWkVxkNyd5f4Mq3.OVYVja fSVK0AQ2Ifg3R_a0VR2o7n7enLtoXVZP6fp6_APTb8MItHY0hCSCdc963trN PA6vD846wFp2.Jo7xBkdq_7Eym8q19wa.vEqERJIeqNmzrR4kMibeA2avZTk K9jMXMD.ADBbJ_z_KtDQJ2xnIVkcgJ8pg7c6pB4gGcsR2t3Oj4HtjU8terUC aViTCRUV_sx12QqM- Received: from [99.101.58.88] by web161205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:35:37 PST T2sgYWxsIHlvdSBUcml1bXBoaXN0YSdzLiDCoEkgZmluYWxseSBnb3QgYXJvdW5kIHRvIGRvaW5nIHRoZSB0ZXN0IHdoZXJlIHlvdSBjaGVjayBob3cgbXVjaCB3ZWFyIHlvdSBoYXZlIG9uIHlvdXIgdGhydXN0IGJlYXJpbmdzLCB0b2RheS4gwqBUaGVyZSBXQVMgcGxheSBpbiB0aGUgY3JhbmtzaGFmdC4gwqBBdCBvbmUgZXh0cmVtZSBpdCB3YXMgMjcuN21tClB1c2hlZCBiYWNrIGluIHRoZSBtZWFzdXJlbWVudCB3YXMgMjUuMm1tLiDCoEFjY29yZGluZyB0byBteSBtYXRoLCwsdGhlIGRpZmZlcmVuY2UgaXMBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Millimeters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok all you Triumphista's. I finally got around to doing the test where you check how much wear you have on your thrust bearings, today. There WAS play in the crankshaft. At one extreme it was 27.7mm Pushed back in the measurement was 25.2mm. According to my math,,,the difference is 2,5mm How bad/good is that? I have fretted over this day for fifteen years. I recently received EVERY SIZE thrust washer sold by Rimmer Bros. I have a pair called "Standard", whatever that is. The next size says +5, the next reads +10 and the last pair reads +15. Any clues about what those translate into? I guess I pull out my digital caliper and measure, huh? Opinions are welcomed. Also tonight my'98 Maxima was acting weird like the battery was going bad. That is commonplace here in hell - Florida. Took it to NAPA where I bought the battery, got it tested and it had a bad cell so I replace it with the next higher quality battery. Turn the ignition - nothing. We played around with different batteries for an hour and the starter wouldn't even click. Bad starter? Bad solenoid ? Bad starter ground? Tomorrow is the 31st and I figured nobody would want to spend the time to troubleshoot until Thursday or Friday, if that, so I had it tows to my driveway. Good thing the grocery and pharmacy are only a mile away, huh? Opinions? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 20:15:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5221A40533 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:15:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405BA40454 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:58337] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7A/0B-02825-B7632C25; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 03:14:04 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "John Summers" , References: <1388457337.87623.YahooMailNeo@web161205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:14:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Millimeters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The crankshaft endplay is of course a major issue with these motors, but if you are aware of the problem and stay on top of it it becomes a simple maintenance issue, and not a source for catastrophic failure. the measurements are .005", .010", .015" over standard for the thrust washers, there should presumably be an allowable end play reading in the manual as well which you will need to factor in. Main thing you need to avoid is the thrust washer wearing to the point that it falls out, then the crank and block chew each other up, very very bad. Changing the washers can be done with the engine in place, but you have to drain the oil and drop the pan, and you might get a few drips of oil on you. As far as the Maxima, proud owner of a 99 Maxima, 5 speed, 140,000 miles, not sure what your issue is, my old RX-7 had a similar issue once and it was a "fusible link" basically a fuse, that had burned out when I jump started my wife's car. If you have a 5 speed (unlikely) the cut off switch that keeps the thing from starting without the clutch fully engaged can fail and keep it from starting. Assume you are getting the warning lights on when you turn the key so you are at least getting juice through the system. Modern cars electrical problems are about a 100 times more complex than the ones on our old LBCs, where you can run through the components of the system and possible problems in your head or on the fingers of one hand. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 20:57:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66F40551 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:57:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy11.mail.unifiedlayer.com (alt-proxy11.mail.unifiedlayer.com [74.220.211.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C2B940442 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:57:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14562 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2013 03:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy16.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2013 03:56:05 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=54394 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VxqR2-0003GW-TW; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:56:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:56:00 -0600 To: John Summers , "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: Tony Drews > References: <1388457337.87623.YahooMailNeo@web161205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Millimeters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 2.5 mm end play in the crank is a bad, bad thing. It should be a few thousandths of an inch, or a tenth or two of a mm of movement. If you have 2.5 mm of movement you likely have no thrust washers left at all and possibly have a ruined block and crankshaft. Tony Drews At 08:35 PM 12/30/2013, John Summers wrote: >Ok all you Triumphista's. I finally got around to doing the test where you >check how much wear you have on your thrust bearings, today. There WAS play >in the crankshaft. At one extreme it was 27.7mm >Pushed back in the >measurement was 25.2mm. According to my math,,,the difference is 2,5mm How >bad/good is that? I have fretted over this day for fifteen years. I recently >received EVERY SIZE thrust washer sold by Rimmer Bros. I have a pair called >"Standard", whatever that is. The next size says +5, the next reads +10 and >the last pair reads +15. Any clues about what those translate into? I guess >I pull out my digital caliper and measure, huh? Opinions are welcomed. >Also >tonight my'98 Maxima was acting weird like the battery was going bad. That is >commonplace here in hell - Florida. Took it to NAPA where I bought the >battery, got it tested and it had a bad cell so I replace it with the next >higher quality battery. Turn the ignition - nothing. We played around with >different batteries for an hour and the starter wouldn't even click. Bad >starter? Bad solenoid ? Bad starter ground? Tomorrow is the 31st and I >figured nobody would want to spend the time to troubleshoot until Thursday or >Friday, if that, so I had it tows to my driveway. Good thing the grocery and >pharmacy are only a mile away, huh? Opinions? > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 21:29:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BDF42787 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:29:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0001940530 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W19 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:27:46 -0800 From: Dave Murphy To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 23:27:45 -0500 References: FILETIME=[A7F1D250:01CF05E0] Subject: Re: [TR] Wire Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net James,Beware of chromed spokes; they are brittle and snap off at the hub, thanks to "hydrogen embrittlement" which occurs during chroming. If you want chromed wire wheels, make sure the spokes are NOT chromed! The chrome Dayton wire wheels have stainless steel spokes which are not chromed, whereas the chromed Dunlop wire wheels had (and probably still have) chromed spokes. My Austin-Healey 3000 came to me in 1999 with 4 chromed Dunlops each having chromed spokes (and a painted spare). To date, after 14 years and about 25,000 miles 4 of the Dunlops have fractured some chromed spokes . The first wheel failed 2 chromed spokes the first year and stupidly I thought this was a fluke and had it rebuilt with chromed spokes. The next year that same wheel failed 5 chromed spokes and a second wheel broke 2 chromed spokes. I had both wheels rebuilt with stainless steel spokes but this took 2 months and I bought one new new chromed Dayton wheel with stainless steel spokes so I could drive the car. Twelve years later one of the two remaining wheels with chromed spokes failed 13 spokes on a single 1000 mile drive between eastern Quebec and Michigan. -Dave Murphy , Dearborn MI '76 TR6 & '66 Austin Healey 3000. > I am deciding on whether to put new chrome wires on my TR4 rebuild project. > I want to go tubeless and wondered what the experiences of the list were > from Dayton or Dunlop wheels. Also, do you need a specialty shop to mount > the tires on these? Since my 4 is an early one, I am also considering the > wide white walls as on the original postcard photo and dread going to the > local tire shop to have mounted. I can just see a black streak on the white > walls from their machine. Haven't had wires before so appreciate any > feedback. Just pulled the rear axle out and leaf springs for a redo. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 22:03:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557B74285B for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:03:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C546940530 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:02:58 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=8Hl_UCEw6hgA:10 a=kuLg2XGeT1isBw_U8B8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9D/E5-11872-AAF42C25; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:01:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Summers'" , Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:01:31 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8F0StP3+b0b8/6TdWK2KJPZU5qIQAEi9GQ Subject: Re: [TR] Millimeters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > According to my math,,,the > difference is 2,5mm How > bad/good is that? Don't drive it again, until you've dropped the pan & changed the washers. If you are lucky, the old worn out washer is still protecting the surfaces and you can just slip in new ones. But as others have mentioned, you are getting close to the point where the washer can slip out, resulting in major damage the very next time you step on the clutch. > Any clues about what those > translate into? Doesn't really matter, at this point. You have to find a pair that give the specified clearance. If the crank has never been reconditioned, then most likely a pair of standards, or maybe one standard and one +5 will do. But you won't know for sure until you try them. Sometimes even factory cranks were undersize. > Turn the ignition - nothing. Do you mean no lights at all? Or just no starter? If you have an automatic, the safety interlock switch might be a possibility. The wife's Toyota had one that would work 99% of the time, but every once in awhile you had to hold the shifter forward to get it to crank. Sometimes, shifting to neutral (instead of Park) will help. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 22:31:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEFD42820 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:31:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9E540531 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W35 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:29:47 -0800 From: Dave Murphy To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:29:47 -0500 References: FILETIME=[51CBE6F0:01CF05E9] Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, I put a new black Sunfast canvas top on my TR6 this year. I'd lived with the original vinyl top since I bought the car new in 1977. I made the mistake of putting the top down one 60F winter day in 1978 and not raising it back up until after supper when the temperature was back in the thirties. I had to forcefully stretch the top to latch it to the windshield header and ever since that day the top became too narrow to meet the velcro on the side rails. Even when new I never liked the appearance of that original vinyl top and I almost never used it except in an emergency, so that in 2013 it still looked about the same as it had in 1979. The new top meets up at the windows is as it should and the velcro attaches to the side rails. The zip out back window works well. The new canvas material is a little thicker than the original vinyl material and it is slightly bulkier to fold. The Sunfast canvas will pick up lint from a cloth towel and leather flakes from an old chamois - but a sticky-backed lint roller takes care of that. The new Sunfast canvas top looks so much more elegant than did the original vinyl top. Maybe it's because there are no reflective stripes. Or maybe it's because its deeper matt black color contrasts more with the Java Green car! I almost always leave the top up now. (I don't think I'd say that about a new vinyl top.) -Dave Murphy, Dearborn MI, ''76 TR6. > I've decided this is the season to replace the convertible top on my 75 > TR6. The last 38 years have about taken their toll, and I can no longer > stretch it enough to fasten it. > > TRF has a 20% off sale going on right now...but there are three choices > of material. As little as I actually use the top, it won't get much > exposure, but as I do want to be able to drive on days other than > absolutely perfect and predictable, I need a top I can count on. > > Will the minimum Robbins top do? (with stripes and zips, of course) > > Any other suggestions to consider? > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 05:57:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237B34291F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:57:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A6542798 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-DS1 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 04:55:18 -0800 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 04:55:25 -0800 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 04:55:25 -0800 FILETIME=[8EC2DC60:01CF0627] Subject: [TR] oil pump prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After cleaning and checking specs, how do you prep your oil pump for installation? Pack with Vaseline, pack with something else, or leave alone and just install? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 06:11:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FD54295A for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:11:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D020E4043C for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (64-252-187-88.adsl.snet.net [64.252.187.88]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MaaGX-1Vinjz1FGr-00KtSG; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:09:52 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Peter Arakelian" , References: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:09:52 -0500 cZmHMbCV1z+f1XWsbUuKtvouGyMli+WZNJBvimAyAcqGnE9m7j 5JOblrvyy4iyDv/7OefFjGZ0mY44rWb6ac+i/Valb3giOaeHKU VZYTEbXgoDGM8PB+2Hx8d6Bp/4eZUo12W4/0USD4s7NelRVw05 14DWfXromSnlPVykSYHrzDzqMw6AZUDPncEHNVEQhgBfVsnR2q FyBYx+Yonyuqeh0rpJP5BXKokDOITc2Ixz8IWWjwo1hiY/h8m9 X04pJ68cA1g+t+GlfS/EnPrq/hThqKZH+EeNkPaF3DhjEmHIoI HX3KlkyH8ZFqXQFzAD27Sk7VWP6dupMWgXW6bc1gx Subject: Re: [TR] oil pump prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I packed it with Vaseline......... http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: Peter Arakelian Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:55 AM To: Listers Subject: [TR] oil pump prep After cleaning and checking specs, how do you prep your oil pump for installation? Pack with Vaseline, pack with something else, or leave alone and just install? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 06:18:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C275242EF3 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:18:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31D442EF0 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:47924] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EF/52-02681-5C2C2C25; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:12:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:37 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Peter Arakelian , Listers References: Subject: Re: [TR] oil pump prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, I did the same thing as with bearings, pistons etc. I used engine assemble lube during assembly. The red stuff. This includes the gear and shaft as well. I have heard of some owners, using a drill to prime the pump before installing the drive shaft but I did not have to do that step. After full engine assembly, I just cranked it without spark plugs until I saw some pressure indicated on the gauge. Once fired up and running, pressure was what you would expect from a fresh rebuilt engine. Plenty of oil in the rocker shaft. Bob On 12/31/2013 07:55 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > After cleaning and checking specs, how do you prep your oil pump for > installation? Pack with Vaseline, pack with something else, or leave alone > and just install? > > Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 07:44:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F95429B9 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:44:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1804291F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:43:40 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:117 a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=8Hl_UCEw6hgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=D52alWocL78MpH6XVjoA:9 a=1dFapFMbzKVKVyo9:21 a=JE23U0jk9kMxwrSm:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wxDrk8nHkzlySYGfbRMA:9 a=6ivv14ZM08Baf6RC:21 a=YBDb4dlNAYnx0ses:21 a=Wue_QqB9U9iOb6Mv:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.180.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.180.171] ([64.121.180.171:49211] helo=[192.168.1.115]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id BE/78-15129-3C7D2C25; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:42:11 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:42:10 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] Millimeters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Google will be happy to translate. 2.5mm = 0.098 inch and if you can't visualize that, Google's initial search returns 2.5mm audio jacks; mini stereo plug. Rimmer's sizes are the standard thickness plus .005 inch, .010 inch etc. I know little if anything about TR6 but 1/10 inch is way too much and the thrust washer may already be gone. Standard thickness on a TR4 thrust washer is 0.092 inch total and the max. end play is .007". Allen On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:15 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Pushed back in the > measurement was 25.2mm. According to my math,,,the difference is > 2,5mm How > bad/good is that? I have fretted over this day for fifteen years. > I recently > received EVERY SIZE thrust washer sold by Rimmer Bros. I have a > pair called > "Standard", whatever that is. The next size says +5, the next reads > +10 and > the last pair reads +15. Any clues about what those translate into? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 08:07:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246D242EF9 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:07:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm48-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm48-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 79D4140525 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.184] by nm48.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 15:05:42 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 15:05:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2013 15:05:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388502342; bh=LvdJeU2iwJUFBXMMkkfZFUJwwAUmnPBk9E7bPYkGC0E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=I/gI018DcHUo8XZ+MNdKTZ9oRLft6mF3qZv/tT6QvXmw1Kka6FwrMQM0aaWh49iYIXv113SjotXUJlIrL1WldrFB6k3T5mOcI5VODOph+yPcI8MI3+D2MyGEW4FnzPaSWopt/LGDmB/e41lbLgSQUFk9gRBiDBioDn3dwlXvS6Y= DhJcQFxytMDa_CslORqPj6WpxJZnKacDIVspX9nlY3BectZ5EPYZO1Cnaj.k ZG_Wm3m5wXN460b2gpMkGjnWKa9TMafugjTBD.E_Negho_Ume5AXP0XfLt5R mrHXd1Qv_F_BFOr6jr7eZzo.rOiS9gU8oAijEnE01P_1r7pRo3qkLt_yl_KW 11SKB3QEmYeE54uaQGEbZsg3iaKaBXH7IPslaPHAZDEvrkXK72Fpv6nbstHj PVLjrXBUi6mE4MPZWC1qpp.nK_htZ.xazV.FeTktU1rkDMB6rv9SvnJtjAbe _9luPZzSmzWZ.nq1jYtWcnHJzXyk1jzETdlqiKxon90FzenKwkrXgjyl_RSu lJqMmBeeR5axz7iXxOz4uzshssD_uhevPCSdVg3zs5zeE9v1h9IePN9zPfSX ZUPlKIDzfNtKgr1p5C85PO6xSvlvNqdzhbcwlbu1sSqkW2yZQ.7RPZHeyy4k 3QYDvNkT0zUp1CWUKIgOtPouze0QdXhnOO5o7vG86BoBapvZyoNfUju1NHiz kzNW1gti2UHwr1SPt9mQ- xymcookie [216.39.61.254]) by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2013 15:05:42 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:05:38 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Re TR4A dampers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Many thanks to all who responded. I'll let the List know what I do. John DeLuca TR4A in restor. Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 08:19:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D4A42F1D for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy33.mail.unifiedlayer.com (alt-proxy33.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.209.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF13A42B12 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:18:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8877 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2013 15:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy13.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2013 15:16:57 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=56052 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vy13w-0000v1-SA; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:16:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:16:43 -0600 To: "Peter Arakelian" ,"Listers" From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] oil pump prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I lubricate the parts with Redline assembly lube (the red stuff mentioned), but don't pack it full. I do pre-lube with a drill prior to first firing it up and the pump always primes quickly and produces appropriate oil pressure. Cheers, Tony Drews At 06:55 AM 12/31/2013, Peter Arakelian wrote: >After cleaning and checking specs, how do you prep your oil pump for >installation? Pack with Vaseline, pack with something else, or leave alone >and just install? > >Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 09:02:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70D142F07 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:02:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A08742B12 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id h16so13361875oag.27 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=UhqDzJCFPVJiOiEEQgv3HmDPb4QxAl/joe0IFriSeaE=; b=SHysNA0eiP5ZvanEw2r5TCGHxW05ePemi1TWFLsPqgbzdBV68rXnq7qpA9PRxzyOUG m5QWoTCADtFx0jrXsANo7LbzYRKNUF/0dPZZbgg7dfcsAbhmMcetsWWLMFMUN+s0OCKy YjEYMDD6d8l3POBPPt82n68iFSQt+O2nn7c5siMJbLL7tNrjDF0GA5F+EArcXHBUtI+9 TrI6BKGiJvxB7t5K0/Q3+uGepAcaCmw5sR0Xp5VZrqFHvJUMX8fB1OdirBGP5PeY8l+B xzSllK1jX+gPQ1qeZycdk6YUj0GHudJANcWcy7pDhDxWppT5/yP+Pye6irFqfIN++hN4 BgGg== Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nw5sm58876480obc.9.2013.12.31.08.00.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: , References: <2C887360-4595-4310-8FD6-F67E3B007218@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:00:05 -0500 Thread-Index: AQI8VpLNRyLb253M5L/EoXkSYnf6/ZmT1U/A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Re TR4A dampers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just lost all of my saved emails - arghh. Can someone please send me the contact info for the lever shock rebuilder. I believe it was NOS Imports but want to verify. Thanks, Jim Henningsen -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 10:06 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Re TR4A dampers Many thanks to all who responded. I'll let the List know what I do. John DeLuca TR4A in restor. Sent from my iPad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 09:37:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F8B42F20 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:37:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E9F1D42A14 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:36:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25831 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2013 16:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2013 16:36:08 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=56308 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vy2Hp-0007yB-Qi; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:35:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:35:16 -0600 To: "James Henningsen" , From: Tony Drews References: <2C887360-4595-4310-8FD6-F67E3B007218@sbcglobal.net> <001101cf0641$60524900$20f6db00$@gmail.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Re TR4A dampers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's the key sentence from that exchange: "Anyone interested in renewing and or rebuilding or upgrading their lever arm shocks should contact Peter Caldwell at World Wide, also known as Nosimport.com." Cheers, Tony At 10:00 AM 12/31/2013, James Henningsen wrote: >I just lost all of my saved emails - arghh. Can someone please send me the >contact info for the lever shock rebuilder. I believe it was NOS Imports >but want to verify. Thanks, Jim Henningsen > >-----Original Message----- >From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >john-marie@sbcglobal.net >Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 10:06 AM >To: triumphs@autox.team.net >Subject: [TR] Re TR4A dampers > >Many thanks to all who responded. I'll let the List know what I do. > >John DeLuca >TR4A in restor. > >Sent from my iPad > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 10:04:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C142F3F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:04:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f45.google.com (mail-yh0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27BA42F32 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f45.google.com with SMTP id v1so2583241yhn.18 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:02:55 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=IZaZl5xYzTBTvbCbJRigaaUlWHrslw2EPnJCO5sveaY=; b=gw+wmPolNtH3gXYewIjp/zcUpJoyHJx7U87nFNvG7KrDFb2LsmOfOdxFlNCcjdydMi AoQfGwvOAt3jcEnnKSGDzjP9fQ1NVNcc+f8ltVO53BYdAHQ/9BTCjCRseTvWRocEi+Fq XiDDvFyvAVoXvaofcUqrqlflWBXZlRUBdDuzDya5pvqKgCkhY+F/xOXUz655fRfPhQoo rPWfvz+ex4UtEfJhkII2r/O6E7cj5E1mQrrnok+OR1Rnr1NJzERJOH5aCEhM1COgAkoC /IR2YAL176jubddGXU0n2M9opYCAzsWObLq5JBNOmwUbQECYUsqa/3MHq8ElmYWoVw4R +2pg== d49mr50828803yhh.12.1388509375632; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.55.6.31] (mobile-166-147-110-090.mycingular.net. [166.147.110.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v35sm21963849yhp.25.2013.12.31.09.02.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:02:54 -0800 (PST) References: <2C887360-4595-4310-8FD6-F67E3B007218@sbcglobal.net> <001101cf0641$60524900$20f6db00$@gmail.com> <52c2f24d.8564420a.24df.ffffb305SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> From: James Henningsen Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:02:51 -0500 To: Tony Drews Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Re TR4A dampers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks! Jim Sent from Jim Henningsen > On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Here's the key sentence from that exchange: > "Anyone interested in renewing and or rebuilding or upgrading their lever arm shocks should contact Peter Caldwell at World Wide, also known as Nosimport.com." > > Cheers, Tony > > At 10:00 AM 12/31/2013, James Henningsen wrote: >> I just lost all of my saved emails - arghh. Can someone please send me the >> contact info for the lever shock rebuilder. I believe it was NOS Imports >> but want to verify. Thanks, Jim Henningsen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> john-marie@sbcglobal.net >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 10:06 AM >> To: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [TR] Re TR4A dampers >> >> Many thanks to all who responded. I'll let the List know what I do. >> >> John DeLuca >> TR4A in restor. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 10:24:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589C942F68 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:24:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E2542F32 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:24:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8HNd1n00M5SgtPc01HNeNh; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:22:38 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <2C887360-4595-4310-8FD6-F67E3B007218@sbcglobal.net><001101cf0641$60524900$20f6db00$@gmail.com><52c2f24d.8564420a.24df.ffffb305SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <8DF79FB2-50E9-44F0-82EC-27080AE3B419@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:14:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Re TR4A dampers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net here's a receipt from them http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/ShockRec.jpg > > At 10:00 AM 12/31/2013, James Henningsen wrote: >> I just lost all of my saved emails - arghh. Can someone please send me the >> contact info for the lever shock rebuilder. I believe it was NOS Imports >> but want to verify. Thanks, Jim Henningsen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 12:03:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24A042FCF for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:03:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8807342F82 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:01:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c7f8f.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.127.143]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MYO006WUQ34MT00@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:59:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:59:31 -0500 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac8GWm/jcH+uKAGGTNSHMuYvy8HYWg== Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Convertible Top; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Irv Korey wrote: >IMO there is a design flaw. The "pillow" that acts as a seal between the trailing edge of the door glass and the top is >located about 1/2" too far rearward. As a result, the door glass barely contacts the sealing surface and sealing in that >area is poor, Irv  I have a Robbins top on my TR6 and had it installed a few years ago by a Preferred Robbins installer. The fit is perfect. There is an overlap between the window and the pillow of at least = from top to bottom and the car is as weatherproof as a British roadster can be expected to be. Note that the installation cost me more than the sale price of the Robbins top but it appears that it was worth it. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 13:21:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBE942F66 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:21:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688AA42F1A for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Kir1n0041HpZEs01LHR8n; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:17:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8LHP1n00Z4L5TyG8aLHQLt; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:17:25 +0000 From: Bud R To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:17:23 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1388521045; bh=IhUVKsdfCG7hmFAl719Fm5uCmCmbD0hWAGnyldF2ukY=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=JXLvsJuHHtuaAfcWIV1PBB2iOdmzN0W6sOoHGNGDLL4AU2/nwNFtja7JITQfkKfNT O5djEndU6gmZmr3tSl2aWr0fmI43mY//SsvVi0I2amVdY/hjr42C2BSVe9GDU6oHN1 3+qWi7bdF6lBj0rIC3uoYwSQ5wvxoaQSerHtjmFwd6H0oFo5dgWYKOF74nOhFK64Tw fyiB32o+A9KfsAI42i5HN0RsXdSun/7TJ/fuVm0wh13ErgDUw7sTCWxG/Y6c7B6TDo MNrbYJ9mfZLZCG7OWipQ0rzHxa7OaXWnLHM+ueJbTIDHSlco0omxvJaeBAHmdi/dwH oXbuSR/ReLA+g== Subject: [TR] Bolts for Spitfire Hardtop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Now that it's no longer a Christmas decoration I was playing with the new Spit and realized the front on the hardtop is not bolted down at all. Good thing I didn't take it out on the hightway first. Can anyone tell the size (length, TPI, etc.) bolt I need to look for? Looks like four are needed of the same size. First Spit hardtop for me so I know little to nothing about them. A pic would also be great. I'd like to keep the hardtop on for the rest of the winter and not take it off in order to figure out the bolts needed. Also is there an attachment to the hardtop (in back /sides and above where the rag top rack bolts to the tub) that looks like a hook bolt of some sort should be holding it. But they are no where to be found if they were ever there. Any ideas on what those bolts look like? Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine and dinghy car for RV) 70 Spitfire MK III (parts car, FE engine donated to race car) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive