From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 09:49:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F8342F2F for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:49:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E740A42F14 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h16so14018292oag.39 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 08:46:47 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=OgUGWbk6F9aJuHhO6MVtfIYM3YjRlkZ7G0e8c9AR5+0=; b=YYtWzPEUlHbhuheW2ZNG1XQm/k2l4QqUN68RVPkGx5SgWgLww7bh1dhq7CyLKUZkOd pyd+tw8xplBQfxXk/4o7lJQKA89xV6GftG/0D772M9qMD6xR6ZBvsarPpxszMyUyoI4W WKYjCoJBRgZT8+7fOSMFsk1zipgLfxsK5uL5wbvsmZZi+W1iPfNJvqr4xRuLjRFXJ2pU VAzGew6EaZ9PD21AjxKmxypxmfYKhBP44YGB5mC1nn0wzfWucR8MkXTf5pOWr2U2pJlg +Lv7wh9RKU9mHGcy7YJXtkhM5Qj2JGF/ZPjYbYiauRSrbCfRSlE7hvyfZfj2WnXubQlo yNvQ== ny9mr52823516obb.0.1388594806855; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 08:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oo13sm74679056oeb.0.2014.01.01.08.46.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jan 2014 08:46:46 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 11:46:52 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8HERJ4lAmZqnvlRgGvpHJrGnAxHg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Rear Axle Ratio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy New Year! I have the rear live axle completely out of my 62 TR4. The car came with OD originally and I wanted to check to see the diff ratio. Is it as simple as counting the teeth on the crown wheel (ring gear)? I have 37 teeth so assuming 3.7 to 1 ratio?? Thanks in advance! Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 10:30:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B7042F40 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 10:30:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E460942F1A for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 10:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8h6D1n0030vp7WLA8hV6j7; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 17:29:06 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8hV51n00G2xZMJ48RhV5Vm; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 17:29:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:29:05 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: James Henningsen s=q20121106; t=1388597346; bh=zuutCHTNArn2rwNiM4/0qQqjHVsz6L9l57KYVDHj+lg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=tpw4oCKfrXBFJI5tLPET0VZbK1NETZynyZz+KspYOqY55yqA3oqKBLV2/f+hdfHZr ksm2QNuX018v7i7QU8w6V1GSVGP+WEUuQxT/MkDKpYydpQXedIxBIB0Tpix33wA6Oz bSPmk6r3vLt4aEyHlpYVp/+w/s5c0bF/GY0V18qKoesjxsaVzMkdA2uioiov3R5/zG unq0923fo02eiBOqQ/9aO3LiABvvOfxWp1N7tZaVkqWlN8jPI1eko9VyXeCQMjI+/w zwQPn76rAYRMp4U2+CtDAU997tXc+s46ngGM0KtTlh27aOWOa1/eNtCX/ql2sojzhH TvRYwvYFF3LvQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Axle Ratio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is as simple as counting the teeth on the ring gear and dividing by the teeth on the pinion gear. Do you have 10 teeth on the pinion gear? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Henningsen" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:46:52 AM > Subject: [TR] Rear Axle Ratio > Happy New Year! I have the rear live axle completely out of my 62 TR4. > The car came with OD originally and I wanted to check to see the diff > ratio. > Is it as simple as counting the teeth on the crown wheel (ring gear)? > I have > 37 teeth so assuming 3.7 to 1 ratio?? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 17:08:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8882642F48 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:08:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D64B42F12 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ia6so6628537vcb.39 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 15:59:57 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/aEtGdjG1gWzAxi2lRYOLdHLAhBHAUrIb3OHAEBAmuI=; b=DuIFrJNNXx1UTrAM4EqFDohgS6Uikq6AimlCxHpRgvkZ07Dqn1zE2+M35SWV8lgs4c j0uHo9mbEKKb0dVgB2cWDEPxAlJn8us0xFeaYj87LIehL9XX66b6wq4eC+AkvhG0dzC1 i8zRxgHHxDM/TlqsXDMDJbEN0/wy/077ylYYv4xP7iiOHlVY9md1/J1BVPfahSaSCrVJ gXm9YeYxVVxxjtBkVPYflw8vOOofAF+NwVNAWVF4ipd/KapOHnKS5bWForVnxwUqmhrs mgnnyhcTAfoMQFST/ULRTXOiAx7zmpbtcVSFEOicQIiCqAoYSILbx9IGlWJAHavMWDgE 8KMQ== d11mr9964004vcn.21.1388620797446; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 15:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.33.101 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 15:59:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 15:59:57 -0800 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Strange thing. My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from the usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is that the tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay research. So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 TR4? I suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching the tach but can easily use a meter. Any thoughts out there? Many thanks John H ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 17:22:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFA542F29 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:22:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE3142F19 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:15:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8nGw1n0071Y3wxoADoDz3R; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 00:13:59 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8oDy1n00Z2xZMJ48boDybK; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 00:13:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 00:13:58 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Lee&John Howard s=q20121106; t=1388621639; bh=7A+hxVEfeWR1jzFAXQJXVFn4oM7EUmDHRuC6ym1pm/Q=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HDrBY7auisqpto/SMAQ6iDPrJq7/4F7sTCNkBdxfNb1k9FQqlZgTMeAvUoX2Iemvu Qs4RP+DvAF3BUuYPe7mawyA+AUDJiYRWu2HuTGMKjmodkjiWbLYEn6bX7b/B0ZUVte 8XPk7jy7Yo03xFQBdPXoEPTnhVmHJokGrtltlLE5wCXuX18Q0o6yw7Jj/Og8zU4MUv KSAg2J3GU+8LkrQ08yU/8SorzbV9TTaHo6K1P7CmEe4gBnYh9B/uqoUMUCzzbeFLWU NaHT03VCuDe4E+Qjp4ecB1tHLUkkqHTtXX2WH4Gne7Vhfo549Z9NXVKn9owdhgxeYa 53TOpJ4vTMVZQ== Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This might be the time to have a first-rate instrument shop like APT put in electronic guts. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee&John Howard" > To: "triumph list list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 5:59:57 PM > Subject: [TR] TR4 Tach > Strange thing. > My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but > easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from > the > usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is > that the > tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct > RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay > research. > So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 > TR4? I > suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching > the > tach but can easily use a meter. > Any thoughts out there? > Many thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 17:22:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C30442FD6 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:22:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6430E42F0C for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2014 00:18:34 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2014 00:18:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2014 00:18:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388621914; bh=chNeXVWm4jLzECJ8DOlCA1gfBDAdHpp+mJ9psw/jCPc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=F+oyMgLzUPrSnQUmr23WjyFFFhtEv/m31HYaN8IUkUbIDAqVbHPvTixJ7QNzM276pI+shUDSTDUprZnJ1rK/3yapc8XQ35ILGba4pHyjJ7ffci40eagBYN6tj3gGIpeD/WvxfpGdZUdDXTBr2y/RX9C82kkKQlVeQA7qb8IbjFU= ZLsKwxTeWw65gPHQT9E8klpl6GO2mHs_mtyCge_egL609ShZOArCBecP45gJ PUqo5AGY5PDAut.0DHRhojNMpf46qdOHQMyS15C6WhsaR5VrrLdVtBwVDK8w M.6XqTgxPMVvKzYjuf78vl967zXv4wBW7tTyWObR3HyIJY.rMMY66xPCHPt3 .ROfz9_hjxDleDF4J91rIO3v9psAkHXn9_H2esWiZGLlolDiusTgXPdoIVGs bvIjsspPK_WfCLrNjeGu7BS2Rvg_zXDUmtqAOD3sbRNNRnLZ8fAw9LgMikYN ZeyjYNyxi_RA1zJETtZ0aGOC7SevjtV3rDmjwHFtMB1clg2tBQsJgBnU84Tm mTsZn9_iCjSgePJ269CLxvKQLNjrWH_fZIEDlYZZ6pNfzfVxKwwNbtCxMYXa s7vh45lP.SC5zWcur1baUJwEGlKS89TAcpHscQljy2atf1zc1AftblIOVMLI hYfDKE8c.DP2zS_BUtD_cPEjyCKlqXb1VKfCNVKGPqZOCM1ZTz62edTWb4TV 4mgotlCIOT5dS2UJtElSpF60MGFG.1xOWMlmd2kUfDGrr9RTLXWdqBDOsHyQ plrJ4CJmn plain [98.138.31.74]) by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jan 2014 00:18:34 +0000 UTC References: From: Wbeech Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:18:28 -0600 To: Lee&John Howard Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There might be a very slight length diff but the two cables will read the same if the are able to be properly connected. Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:59 PM, "Lee&John Howard" wrote: Strange thing. My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from the usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is that the tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay research. So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 TR4? I suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching the tach but can easily use a meter. Any thoughts out there? Many thanks John H ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 17:36:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218FE42F24 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:36:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6D542F1B for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id jy13so7162740veb.13 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:27:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AT3J7cYAf6okdkG5tYfYvStM9HonZxKQHIYdm0sUc0E=; b=md9IDTCkyeXh3vZun8KDz9mtxZCJHB0gQFBQkCuTndT0G2wLujr7jV+begUZDeb/53 Zz0MFYIDg00m1vHKWaI+WWUGbLJf8HD3eWNpyPWs9tPjKRjdaXYJTeC8e0eL3KvyTN5y 8vT90xuCTdfx4wrH9NW5YFrCZnjExJ32M8yfxew9c1erhGDs0hZXxImLPpyE1g2mSrFx UGEp1ft76l7u1QH4msKx2BUYqTbBiri04nP+11tmPLd3aDcEUiHgS/xuN3PBw8JfSNbw sy1ficVJUKlrCyskpGSJwZbFtgxn2o7Co0V1PKuhjUQuAVEBHnytBS4T0GvKoA8TsVWb imWQ== w20mr10160286vco.18.1388622474005; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.33.101 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:27:53 -0800 (PST) References: <1585580295.201472.1388621638770.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:27:53 -0800 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: pethier@comcast.net Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm. I'll check it out. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:13 PM, wrote: > This might be the time to have a first-rate instrument shop like APT put > in electronic guts. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lee&John Howard" > > To: "triumph list list" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 5:59:57 PM > > Subject: [TR] TR4 Tach > > Strange thing. > > My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but > > easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from > > the > > usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is > > that the > > tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct > > RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay > > research. > > So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 > > TR4? I > > suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching > > the > > tach but can easily use a meter. > > Any thoughts out there? > > Many thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 17:38:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAFF43024 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:38:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFE542F1B for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:38:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so7209616vea.28 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:36:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eyzGrebDkOAHaxufJMjjMnUyrQj2VQLIlxHggeI3MhU=; b=I6bzQZT2JoIoxj+d72GjHLf8M7MaVAlQFz3dlc/yOoavxIYGqWtDPmqwWsXb5DDjyr csMewWbDYrnuZsmCPDeTEd/edlJ0lxoHUYyl3XRoYV5S17kMdyYJit8kQ9YeIXi6+YY/ kRG9hc+TTFYySdGED+AmTM8AzaGeWF9VHCdOOi77GWASXGoyq0PUo619tKXN2tgfVtvD DeVLthro96FrSXVfTfSBa6a/5eo3HPH5S477eMa589YyV3RJVfItvgzI8WM3uS/MacIJ 9lts1H7yrW8WW0P0+bcQA9j338e2mpxns5sQZQcC42iNp0z4iNM3qq70pH6VOnyTJMby Y+YA== yk5mr8398520vdc.31.1388622512071; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.33.101 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) References: <54D7AE94-E305-4F0B-9848-1449373D01F5@flash.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:28:32 -0800 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: Wbeech Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks - that's what I needed to know. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Wbeech wrote: > There might be a very slight length diff but the two cables will read the > same if the are able to be properly connected. > > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:59 PM, "Lee&John Howard" wrote: > > Strange thing. > My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but > easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from the > usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is that the > tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct > RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay research. > So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 TR4? I > suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching the > tach but can easily use a meter. > Any thoughts out there? > Many thanks > > John H > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 17:53:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418B42F3E for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:53:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94C042F1B for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 11so6987064vbe.10 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:44:45 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6LYeZZyeqppmkZJBoZSXMxFxd4AbPofj/LxYofsJ928=; b=e5ITDegTnjEbpwQKP0AxKoOHWsozOJ9QSIbvpeGnCWPi9CYU6jUoTBDwGuIOk1JeLI xUqwM5HmtfOTwLyxQbSpr/1ptF+G5ju1ZaalDovCKLxXWE62g4wsCVt4HRbhuLWYtZCS D66735Qyo2XRQuRHZ8d4CdVTmeZCDxYXh0N897DrrZlNiFgdDZ2wmNM6NlCdJ2SHZS+1 ZnfS32mzGo6zv2rcCtAjdt4JtoAxfYkkSehWrk8p0T9hOfaDAAhs+EV5I+CcSM7eq82j BucjsQFDunvnwp0BnWbyd7PymF5qgmYfls0j2ezPhPMUzbF62/qei+yTaIB1OuX/RFSz SS7Q== k10mr33578083vek.8.1388623485014; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.36.228 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:44:44 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:44:44 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Lee&John Howard" Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net John - If you can find a local speedo shop they can usually make a replacement inner cable for very little cost -- you take them the outer and they will know what length to make the inner. Geo On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > Strange thing. > My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but > easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from the > usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is that the > tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct > RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay research. > So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 TR4? I > suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching the > tach but can easily use a meter. > Any thoughts out there? > Many thanks > > John H > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 18:08:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E1042FC1 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:08:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FC242F12 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:07:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id oy12so7250701veb.1 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 17:05:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vds/oMQ0JHX7+/B9TWOQaFRbUCbg1hPyKzoj9LgHQqg=; b=Pxny4lmTb5hZDvAmY5wWAIpApSUegfZ7O1BkYPG8uZTC7Bnr3NTBUCT471zzrT4VDk x3dqx+Ee3z405Bj+1R6ACaofqfS3JJGzQVpeexe0GFC3lFCf0X/HTjzFeu1Zkb7NRvDD tqoeVzpHSNz8KpOLaKlTBojOeeet2iO9fzZ2GE5FOwqeVwTFvzwZiYb8cR2TyOzJJMQC rAchjoVAvWtVpuYhMmbXXIEI2eZz161Ce27uIQsk3cB+bbPVvEM7t6CWKeIsTRmKK+QN LZD+tMAf9oQm9UEW5wIloHdGOKgGPBZ8nrrhWfCQ58Kar1C5gojXxV1W+2ljpVxipALC g4oQ== rf8mr175441vcb.65.1388624744877; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 17:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.33.101 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:05:44 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:05:44 -0800 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: Geo Hahn Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good idea, Geo, thanks. John On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > John - > > If you can find a local speedo shop they can usually make a replacement > inner cable for very little cost -- you take them the outer and they will > know what length to make the inner. > > Geo > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: > >> Strange thing. >> My tach cable just broke off at the tip; 1/4 inch tip left inside but >> easily extracted with magnet. I see the cable is easily replaced from the >> usual vendors, although prices vary somewhat. The strange thing is that >> the >> tach appears to be from a TR3-3B, RN1411/00, rather than the correct >> RN1417/00. At least that is what it seems based on a little Ebay >> research. >> So, am I getting a faulty reading with my TR3 tach running on my 65 TR4? I >> suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot; I've been tuning by watching the >> tach but can easily use a meter. >> Any thoughts out there? >> Many thanks >> >> John H >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 1 18:55:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454BB40546 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:55:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBBE40042 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:50:00 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=TK-YOj6YtPAA:10 a=0DBWKMf4QS0TJpkpxGoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4F/49-00868-365C4C25; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 01:48:20 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'triumph list list'" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:48:22 -0800 Thread-index: Ac8HVN/GLexa4pjdTTW6ZaUaPfJCsAABos1A Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Tach Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > If you can find a local speedo shop they can usually make a > replacement > inner cable for very little cost -- you take them the outer > and they will > know what length to make the inner. Best to take them a sample of the inner as well, though. Triumph used a slightly larger size than many. I found out the hard way, when I tried to use a "universal replacement". As noted, the gearing remained the same, so either tach should read correctly (within the accuracy of a 50 year old instrument anyway). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 2 03:23:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162824043C for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 03:23:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ACE403F5 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 03:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e14so14562036iej.40 for ; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 02:10:18 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qEq1VNDKmZJToPZD6edoEhLiGUnQ94z2qU/wSBK57hk=; b=eYfOUXFNxtFEfhTZ4POE7l9ytG3m1Kvfswfd0VxvK9CUwXtTSjU7Jz2zhGo+XzdbST sUSNuQy5g0N0FCOYdz1HnNQLj6GI0MtwunX7v2rMT5FFZ4xGPVxbJysSlNzEeEokVhut HUD4KW576+aFfYWsRE7/4K6VZa+kKpbJ3kidGMRLTX4GiAOG9Rnb00NeB2SpfP769Bq1 KQQF+u42eZd1ASruvHwQgfr1jEn247osrhanM1WcUk5IfeLsPKkZ/c5RPN0RXGvHKc7Z x00jRe0I1k3WQibdcUbjKu4y8DcTJlFPBcz/QaLEU5iDxBtlTrH94cB/SWqAknZagoFc s6uQ== iz2mr854762icb.77.1388657418023; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 02:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.49.37 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 02:10:17 -0800 (PST) References: <007b01cf0711$136d6a90$3a483fb0$@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:10:17 +0000 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: James Henningsen Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Axle Ratio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It will be 3.7 if the pinion is 10 teeth. The ratio is calculated by dividing the number of teeth on the crown wheel by the number of teeth on the pinion. I do understand that the axle casing should be stamped with the ratio it contains somewhere near the end of the tubes. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 1 January 2014 16:46, James Henningsen wrote: > Happy New Year! I have the rear live axle completely out of my 62 TR4. > The car came with OD originally and I wanted to check to see the diff > ratio. > Is it as simple as counting the teeth on the crown wheel (ring gear)? I > have > 37 teeth so assuming 3.7 to 1 ratio?? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 2 11:31:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C560840526 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:31:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5CF403E7 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:19:36 -0700 (MST) s=MDaemon; t=1388686642; x=1389291442; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Reply-To; bh=76Hb79xUgHpoPcKzawSMp51vaGZTdk6fBeY5kfY+4mc=; b=UzI TIsvh7uXH+at5jpZQKa7+7+jjVXAh/y8LZdZGfndxcp3iz7qHqxqVgzSZ/iKh8kM JdnvgV8ulvRrDbwHUrMnKIBppWN2EkcDgrGq6veuRNU7Ec0JTFSnPjpFI6fwAnwf 5sa5Wpre/MhFt3hL+lS/J7E2ynBAAiERlYTyJozE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=s5WjRtr1lyDjhTCpMmLaPgAzmQ3TpDGJCHNwdgtabY3OJscEJDBZrdwnHrll 7aypohrnFKeTsLLaeIvnaBMCGXus4RD9V9Qwc4iYfCOWGCwuTjDi705Dj stB3Ob/Hb8mMT6X/b3n+cBk7WsXpMjsDOfIVWbnTaQs7F4zdbHMS5A=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 36-md50000147376.msg for ; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 13:17:21 -0500 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) exist) (sysfx.com) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 13:17:00 -0500 From: Mark Hooper To: 'Triumphs' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Subject: [TR] Off-topic, but car-related Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a friend who spends half his time in Europe and the rest in Montreal. His car sits in the driveway while he is away. The last time he returned after 4 months away, all the brake rotors on the car had rusted to the pads and he had to get a mechanic to engage in vigorous hammering of components to free up the brakes. Is there some substance out there for spraying on brake discs during storage? Something that burns off quickly without imperilling life and limb, as using wax or oil would likely do. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 2 11:56:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C7F40530 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:56:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f175.google.com (mail-we0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F197540405 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:55:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id t60so12894819wes.34 for ; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:54:10 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=s4Qyn+zBBixPXEk+NAFhdg9IFnJRRh+4WukhilBEk28=; b=RaacOhMRWtzgzCunqD6PvdLd+mXY0LrrtNX4J92cJ4fvR3ejemkEUstAyJny/cVVsd cqXrPtqWYlnt/JITw37ydxnFQyJAEhuexvh5yGqW+Ov7v3gsOHtwsJ1WjUMhbQp9WieL Z8whxty5ZC75dbAIwtQd+T0v21jPb2tkWDQYBN+7Gn/SHJJR5R1oNmjE3asrjUEIfAGl GREJ7anSGIVPdloeIqMK6aq4NI9PsSyaGUDyfE8uMoGBV1B5c3ACyDkSeM8sjRRV1Npr fQuVMsGTDhT5aU0l5vDEr8yY5tVUWZFnaF1+k5wEGqNcIWTnaN4eqWatoSxNubTSS7Uy LemQ== hq4mr54370234wjb.12.1388688850209; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:53:50 -0800 (PST) References: <1388019152.36767.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 13:53:50 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Off-topic, but car-related Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Four wheel disks? Did he have a parking brake engaged? It seems unlikely that pads would rust to disks -- there isn't enough ferrous content in the friction surface for that, is there? Were the pads worn down to metal? Was it perhaps piston rust due to water in the brake fluid causing them not to retract in the calipers? I'd leave the parking brake off were I to leave a car undriven for many months. A change in fluid might be a good idea, too... On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Mark Hooper wrote: > I've got a friend who spends half his time in Europe and the rest in > Montreal. > His car sits in the driveway while he is away. The last time he returned > after > 4 months away, all the brake rotors on the car had rusted to the pads and > he > had to get a mechanic to engage in vigorous hammering of components to > free up > the brakes. > > Is there some substance out there for spraying on brake discs during > storage? > Something that burns off quickly without imperilling life and limb, as > using > wax or oil would likely do. > > Mark Hooper > 1972 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 2 13:51:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C2240530 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 13:51:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D862403F5 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 13:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.112]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 49DF2700441CA for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.9]) by mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1FC5038000082 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: Dave1massey@cs.com Full-name: Dave1massey Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:49:24 -0500 (EST) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388695764; bh=cFPO91gzMZN45Edy9AdVwvYNVvao9PxTRVTDB2mCQkE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZH9dTKeqHXr9Zl7Dba//s2Ch66cvrgltwM5LIu4uK8O/O07n8ay08lJBWIW6vPuXF 0k9aSViL1RRS58CGYKEqsV1w0lFOQd5n1r+gcLFrVchtYW6DFq6k3qP3jby1gYWLT7 g24U2HGouFyQoIbQ8fi+ECVxEMyqB2uvT0vLOA4g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe7052c5d0d40fc5 Subject: Re: [TR] Off-topic, but car-related Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The best bet is to toss you the keys when he leaves and let you drive it once a week or so. Dave In a message dated 1/2/2014 12:29:11 PM Central Standard Time, mhooper@indiefilmnet.com writes: > I've got a friend who spends half his time in Europe and the rest in > Montreal. > His car sits in the driveway while he is away. The last time he returned > after > 4 months away, all the brake rotors on the car had rusted to the pads and > he > had to get a mechanic to engage in vigorous hammering of components to > free up > the brakes. > > Is there some substance out there for spraying on brake discs during > storage? > Something that burns off quickly without imperilling life and limb, as > using > wax or oil would likely do. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 2 14:51:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8AA42F0D for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:51:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5484054D for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:48:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.71.0]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 99mL1n00200MnU6019mNaN; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:46:23 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:46:16 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8IA4KpjSyZXjqvRDSjjXkCiPRzKA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 headlamp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy New Year to the list ! I never cease to be amazed at the different headlamp assemblies for the TR3. I acquired a car along with a bucket (excuse the pun) of headlamp parts. The car is a late 3A and all the buckets have two adjusters, which I think is correct. I am OK with the inner retainers, but there are two sizes of outer retainer plates in this collection: a shallow variety (about > inch) and a deeper one (over an inch). My question is  does the depth of the outer retaining plate dictate which rim I need to buy? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 10:54:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F8342FBF for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:54:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5E5403C7 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gh4so16056882qeb.28 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:50:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rMCCgxbsu7jsm6EFHnDYJ+1PZ3YYKyP0VLDssTejYJk=; b=albPpn9bs8xNjFWNpNPkgs94w40wWHIMBlAK/cq6WLsYQ6wVp2dLR7GKkKmuxgiBmA /tmAK+N4y4j/aO+j0bDgWNQqnQuloNe9emt7HPifVLy9RQOowMS2evmgjVT3KS/c77Yc /BNJjkYfp/P+ZgDIwhiFPGf9UHPa9AG1/iAGiaOg/J2UVYVPEQyEeZye6rPHYCyXshqM Z0MkL+djcPD1HKCqqTvYL47r4ihuy5rjff5GflSjO2CsyI1iHY54uJxU3y6+5kxswndO TLPvc11/Px3SC2lBGGx8806dStP/J+DzVYxMrMbGYdRwGAhY+/RCCpOQj9Pu55uWf7S3 0Otw== k3mr26917375qan.17.1388771418718; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.30.3 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:50:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:50:18 -0800 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 11:29:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E560403D4 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:29:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90626403D0 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:28:46 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=WZquA4FqTjoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eNU1o89W12cA:10 a=flw48a6T3RfvTgnTqdgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Am3IQ0j9KvaUSiuJ:21 a=N9NlMyGKukjDribB:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 07/25-21884-3F007C25; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:27:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:27:02 -0800 Thread-index: Ac8IrJVXt+bvg0qlRQ6TTTyCvTS7FgAAm3hw Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can > buy to get my fuel mixture right ? > > This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up Depends on how "cheap" you want. The wide-band O2 sensor/gauges are down to where I think one would be a good investment. (Bought one myself but haven't tried it yet.) A "lap top dyno" looks like a good tool as well; though it doesn't tell you anything about mixture directly, it can give you a sensitive indication as to whether your last change made more power or less. For the ultimate in cheap, though, use your eyes, ears and nose. If the mixture is off very far, the engine will tell you it's unhappy. Try a little richer, then a little leaner. Keep going in the "happy" direction until it quits making any difference. Without the "cheap" qualifier, I think one of the Holley adapters plus an electronic TBI system would be the way to go. Or, if you want to keep a more original appearance, I believe TWM Induction still sells their throttle bodies that bolt on in place of the ZS carbs (letting you keep the original "dogs hind leg" intake system). That, combined with the wide-band O2, would let you nail the mixture under any condition and even optimize for cruise economy vs full power. I hope to try that setup myself someday, just to see how much difference it makes. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 14:06:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C144C42FDE for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:06:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D79442FD0 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9RuY1n0061HpZEsA3Z4Fs2; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:04:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Z4D1n00H4L5TyG8aZ4EZY; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:04:14 +0000 From: Bud R To: Sujit Roy Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:04:13 -0700 References: s=q20121106; t=1388783055; bh=e3p147SRelo5BSSptxlEwsyUOy9d7utCpWktdBm0/rA=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=L2zZaPbJgoNdIGxAqx6JxRRc7j0RXMY73QAj9IrSIMQn9Q6TZMchaStEF596Ps51P 1ewZR/NQv7+ycdYmtpOUNf6aUQnusznsPbjHYrhhGOc8MFAX/8LsCuZGC1Qiokn49m nX+fyrXNTZb9VmsRUBPDO/NMBlEmdEF+vKMrkPZ2lkgH8x74XTHwAgDgzTHi+c41SP xHNKQC8Iktvkv7If+o6Wsbvf47JE25dh7iOw6/pyfagyQApT4ZuUzcZvDHswrA36zL fiNd2LitjmZhQh2nVe4dTrMrF0elt6UdIveGwB6AoWbuCJfE6w7ByNR8nAs/7xRgdK O9AVZ5IDPk36g== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not new or high-tech but a Gunson Colortune worked for me to get the mixture right. It also enabled me to see that a fuel pressure surge was causing a miss (the flame went yellow instead of the preferred blue) when excess fuel got pushed past the float needles every so often. The yellow flame coincided with the temporary fuel pressure gage I placed in the fuel line jumping in pressure to 3-5 psi. I put a fuel pressure regulator in the fuel line which solved that issue. My TR6 is picky about not having more than about 2 psi of fuel pressure. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine and dinghy car for RV) 70 Spitfire MK III (parts car, FE engine donated to race car) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Sujit Roy wrote: > This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up > > Sujit > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 14:33:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C37E42FE5 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:33:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAEC42FD0 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id q59so14068418wes.13 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:31:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hp6yzMF60qpmYHaBOTkVUxQgT+87twtvYa6LizeO8sM=; b=gaN/3tYCimonbonRUWVakKZJDoL5FpKtTuLSLRDAgMOLhHWdAhSyQumfnn+72HhCv5 3Ogu5aKOp0WfcUD3OeOXYS4YHUoWuOLLd9epDteYxcGqVIuYmUTUpqc1pyTshGwt57/d ZXnp47Lm6X3DcLlI+3JEpQ/UYfcgipyhwwWHOXaPT75s+LrMkhRTvg7HUX4QM+7rylvj MH7SXuAEI/hGpaZ6b0z5een42+cbppA2b9b6v7f6khrTF0HgYT7ZmkjxEv6gvn6JgHFv jV9mX+KWpsMrYQreQFRrekbKd4eGOvVHQoHyaOPsziX3EEab7CQqggSlOZd0IEMu0NRw ajuA== i10mr3420831wix.23.1388784678602; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:31:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.244.146 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:31:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:31:18 -0700 From: Lee Janssen To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Sujit wrote: This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up Long subject - very, very short answers: If you wish to keep your carburetors the answer is NO. There are very good reasons carbureted cars were no longer manufactured after the mid 1980s - 30 years ago. If you are willing to convert to fuel injection the answer is MAYBE. It depends on how much time and energy you want to spend on an after-market computer system. Even the addition of a wide band O2 sensor won't get you all the way there because it is very difficult (I'll say impossible) to detect and correct for knock in a Triumph engine. An extreme example of this conversion can be found at: http://www.tiggersavage.com/tr6_turbo.htm If you are willing to drop a new engine into your vintage car the answer is YES. An extreme example of this conversion can be found at: http://www.britishv8.org/triumph/joecurry.htm My suggestion is don't worry about your mixture - simply enjoy the pleasure of checking your dashpot oil (of is the fluif?). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 15:15:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBFD42FF0 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:15:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E99C42FDA for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:11:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com [172.26.223.208]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 87BDA701DA64D; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-ddd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ddd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.193]) by mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 530ED38000086; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: McGaheyRx@aol.com Full-name: McGaheyRx Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:09:57 -0500 (EST) To: lee.k.janssen@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388786997; bh=VxuZh1RY0NH5oY5zbps2/fcSsXYXUSm0F0I8g8Ca2a4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mvGbH3K8SiWYohWW4VU30KEUxB8VPos93W101PnCmsfUR4vMHH0NWVRT1IXhaL9LP yO7Dg0p/Jf4xN3AbfX0IAUnJPkGFExEjyUcqv1xf5PwEFU4qigUksREMyrHE9K2y/f 85tlQ7cv+kJzNdOZJj10lQkWdecytYalRnZ93O1Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adfd052c73535012d Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mix... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 1/3/2014 4:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lee.k.janssen@gmail.com writes: If you wish to keep your carburetors the answer is NO. There are very good reasons carbureted cars were no longer manufactured after the mid 1980s - 30 years ago. I assume your NO applies to the "cheap" part of the question. You absolutely can get the mixture "right" in a pair of Strombergs. I won't be cheap and it wont have all the advantages of a modern computer controlled fuel injection, but it certainly can be done. Cheers Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 15:46:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2F940381 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:46:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com (mail-pb0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51C040043 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id um1so16213853pbc.20 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:43:05 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:importance:message-id:mime-version:date :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zxNRAN2C6NSmFYbCG+MAvsQPYcX/cBMbgQGhShmp7Gc=; b=zOdaI+Y6Zjgo4f9rkPxr8G6nJpJqqHlOIQhOzwdVMbjTym6hXbubZdEKAWljEj/caf 5EryaUpyf5DCs674s2ddmIV83NxJu1aKKrhVHuElphpX5Wm1HesFx+0KdhvKwZa2hLQv dCrdxkwz8ZBfRzsGkjcxBrq0dzD/88py5tiIXPjS21FdOrHKztecYe5bmXezYR1Su9k2 2beQuA4el6c2Lfz9yHeK2ZQ00j4JTIN8jAXqCsrc4E1hKutRhQPixOwALu/QWRo1shqZ Zmmx/UspHjAAudBxHAR2Ai1uaF9+IpTVN9xy4i4dlJf3akZzOaX8T0kUAfm1MePT1cX3 usGQ== ik5mr98064829pbc.132.1388788985663; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from 240.106.222.221 (66-87-65-48.pools.spcsdns.net. [66.87.65.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gf5sm111212668pbc.22.2014.01.03.14.43.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:43:05 -0800 (PST) From: "triosan@gmail.com" To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 15:51:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6287942FDA for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:51:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F136403C7 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:50:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so8366175vea.28 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:49:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RiMkxBmDvQNShnOxRHLXEup/LUCs7Wpf12vPKj4BpxU=; b=rJ3EFTtQmcKUbHg4b2g1uujmSNXyiMcEwohGvh8nqXnSLerYVHOxhCLtGRABVWGjtW /+a+lRF6B8tuiSF+MESJEP1z90Z0HWa4kNgF+8aqQoKT6E28sP4i+NXYSmCxUHsPvmwd M+N4IHi4bqfZ+pambBRfNJTIoQMeAIWuOivrLzJH7K5gTuKII2DRDuqMNHs9bYK3Ds7B 0nhvPmpF+68M6SlJkSGEFVKW0yEvmDDxBfyhSyo0JIqMmiw1/WNRQO+qoXKeJUgZl25C SqUTs7UIaiTk+Q1rjhCw86tW1WLLIhEpKK7CnQdln5ugdhByrSUhkF5K8PlxwYvXYze0 lWaQ== Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.117.204 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:49:00 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:49:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Sujit Roy Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wellsir, you're getting an array of advice. Perhaps a better starting point is the problem you're trying to solve, i.e. black exhaust, poor mpg, fouled plugs, poor performance, rough idle, etc. I do not know which ZS carbs you have -- the early ones had a simple nut adjustment like the old SUs, I think the later ones had a different adjust (from the top) and then came ones with no means of adjustment provided. Which you have will also suggest solutions. The manuals guide you through setting mixture at idle and some tools allow it to be set at high RPM (I use Colortune) and in the end driving and reading plugs will tell you much. It all seems a bit inexact with carbs but certainly one can get a satisfactory result on an otherwise correct set-up. Geo On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Sujit Roy wrote: > This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up > > Sujit > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 17:33:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AD743004 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:33:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5469A403F2 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2014 00:29:44 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.233] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2014 00:29:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2014 00:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 52155 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2014 00:29:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388795383; bh=MWyTLq755qh85Z7hcvBRF/5IrRvauzlOHfDR64+m+/0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5Dh8GSHcKM2EJXUVoPNPOEPX5wx3GocbpQI1L1ag9Ab+yRViwIeBm86OTiOJbNqUSrN6zLzEhHx7Rf3T6CaR2/rcE26AijCPA9ExJD650k4P7UAV4Nr/LUtSQBA3vlYjiJyeQYmv46/yufigN6wpuSVE7LSJVo6FHnzpD0wvPIQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ecv4rBRw7HSs1FyGBcxV3xoxGo30RyUvbZxHWLVvgvPCUQvFHg/zGSkiE5V5tt+SjZUrhCu/Mv0Fpoy0t1welJv2wwC1PQRsDOccLNzG88VCnIxCDstj31rBXiIquZ1sMZT6FNTmWiofq9kh2lyLsaIiYI/sxUbtAoJDpX4Mn4o=; cnk3cctWH4hxCFrnaOWh6PP0qeVvFlW_xjj5XUzAv8ExaW.bSND6_waKOGRC vxWCFj68HvSlYuxj3pkcHoMB4E2ax3jkZ75fh1Fh2O4XjcJPEMYoqFSTWuF_ O03mZgDHwOhizRcmSiuh6n5KqylwLY0v1nIaDyyO8atu15lDtB0afznFUkBw C3mqWCFchTfTEHsOHddzTqxL7QqmgwWjv09k_NgxPqxQBqBeLf9tCYjhfWvG pxhVMUIi.nLRGh0vKNp926g.NtklIQpT9QceXtdsTDt0Sy6xnn1P2J3eA8B7 L.1crk2DhXN06gyNLhnclpN6sBuj6hlDl10OZulIKs1A8mOmQhgM4Nv5TEsb uFQ9F_OhlAcZS3hZPJe4u5p95awZgkomJslVWzeygmXkqrVCYzNGQ.qMCgwX xyOvo1NDzJfoc9_ZWlIux1L1bl0UhcknkNWHfhr.vDcg27ceZPnCWqTOtF99 Cq5B4uXA.ZcMBJWOt2YDpQf5L4TO..XKQGVnhO9LvqQVKPM5nJSuiLj0pqSh mvf2Z7DsPofYoSQBHLhVbMLtWaEWICW0- Received: from [108.220.119.92] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:29:42 PST wqAgwqAgwqBNeSBUUjMgaGFkIGEgcHJldHR5IGdvb2Qgb2lsIGxlYWsgb3V0IG9mIHRoZSB0d28gYm9sdHMgY29taW5nIG91dCBvZiB0aGUgYmxvY2sgZm9yIHRoZSBjb2lsIG1vdW50aW5nLiBXaGVuIEkgZmluaXNoIHB1dHRpbmcgbXkgZW5naW5lIGJhY2sgdG9nZXRoZXIsIEkgd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBhdm9pZCBoYXZpbmcgdGhpcy4gSXMgdGhlcmUgc29tZXRoaW5nIGVsc2UgdGhhdCBjYW4gYmUgZG9uZT8gTWF5YmUgc2hvdWxkZXJlZCBzdHVkcyBvciBzb21ldGhpbmcuIEkgaGF2ZSBsYXRoZSBhbmQgY28BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 16:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR3 had a pretty good oil leak out of the two bolts coming out of the block for the coil mounting. When I finish putting my engine back together, I would like to avoid having this. Is there something else that can be done? Maybe shouldered studs or something. I have lathe and could make something, but would rather buy it if something better is available. What would happen if you put in studs with some sort of sealer around them like marine epoxy , Permatex or Locktite? Has anyone else had this issue? TIA, -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 17:40:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC8242FF3 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:40:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F4542F03 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-192-39.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.192.39]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MYU00B8CPRMN2B0@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:38:12 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-01-03_07:2014-01-03,2014-01-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1401030181 From: Darrell Walker Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:38:06 -0800 References: <1388795382.50013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, I just use a bit of Hylomar on the bolt threads. Any non-setting type of sealer should do the trick. Your idea of studs with sealer should work, too. Ive also had the same problem with the bolts for the generator bracket, and use the same solution. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 17:49:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579EB43017 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:49:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EEC9940323 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2014 00:45:23 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.243] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2014 00:45:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2014 00:45:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 95865 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2014 00:45:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388796322; bh=dNftDEsYx2U7FtaG85vt8q/DzYgyyBMydAO4bazQbKE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1h6XJqG4XAY3ImCnK3NDf35/Je0q5cspv5Qis3K0O2XTC29usK8Xyi9oSUj1tu2micsnlUtvunS7tSRX10tSBtzlaiP1T+F614gTBN73NasqgL3RzXhlenoQPVbU5LLqNoVGVKpMY1a0vozbuNLCtKP0wJffvtgsSJ6Y8hDQFEY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fm68C/iaxkMcwQ5alRZmTNOoFiMnUt3AzpKlBq9ah7cxC4tVG8OYbD1PjQcGRFyRYsFt5S0QBvA4HDb905dnBwZr8Gy/2zmgoWSguPZWU3iAQ3MZKV4saQqwG68LtR2UBpteENWHr4ObTg6ld5SgV0ZPPGIXGZqH0GxZ92qEtFs=; lqE7b73cgl90xi02G9e7MeO7PK47XzSJ7JzU9ObASj8_6LhPldtNOKiTvS9J ftl3a3Mi7J5sIFj5Ou6B7h236VnYAkcyt.8N36Si9D4nITy2rQDjsKFin8fp 5KJ_TIbtTxOY2X85L0y9X46yho87kjAOcRzc9nq3oT23oMDuiOM7Qkd2WEWh r.PdYodat.FmMGKccv_r03CFuAzSWR84NqrKf4Q0JqQSeZOrYTsGMqHraBSc UjMIq4FwFYHnU5Vm4LdmweNjOik8F_fgdeSd8KS67UjX4zLV95cXvAkBKlAk MBrwqMDj29K1clD2Fl8GpiVMEm8t8TA6FQVRm_MW4u_Zp0jzMPDQLekTxISf x99pyZjTnLWV88_N3QtPXxvH2Upb7X5h7iqeSVVyr.7.3h1Yzpepod4EUehk PtaXLKGz3uH0.L6nt4k1H22ldU41gg2.WsrE_QMWyDGKSNjmUKxSQ.6jneAw 3GRdvhGvOPTMyYrSEuAfZauVyJTO38NAK2M1ZT.AXeftSnkzyUqjlJXNziH2 45fX3Go.JjwXAe3tsI3n4RjCiF.DtL9c- Received: from [108.220.119.92] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:45:22 PST VGhhbmtzIERhcnJlbGwsCsKgIMKgIMKgSSBoYXZlIGEgR00gYWx0ZXJuYXRvciBjb252ZXJzaW9uIG9uIG15IFRSLiBGb3IgdGhlIDMgZ2VuZXJhdG9yIG1vdW50aW5nIGhvbGVzIEkgcHV0IGluIGJvbHRzIHdpdGggY29wcGVyIHdhc2hlcnMgYW5kIHRoYXQgc2VhbGVkIHRoZW0gdXAuIEkgd2FzIHN1cnByaXNlZCBieSBob3cgbXVjaCBvaWwgaGFkIHdlZXBlZCBwYXN0IG15IGNvaWwgbW91bnRpbmcgYm9sdHMuIEl0IHdhcyBxdWl0ZSB0aGUgYW5ub3lhbmNlLgoKwqAgwqAgwqAtQmlsbArCoAoKX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: <1388795382.50013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8474143C-8927-4777-A01C-B2E7908101B9@mac.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 16:45:22 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Darrell Walker Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Darrell, B B B I have a GM alternator conversion on my TR. For the 3 generator mounting holes I put in bolts with copper washers and that sealed them up. I was surprised by how much oil had weeped past my coil mounting bolts. It was quite the annoyance. B B B -Bill B ________________________________ From: Darrell Walker To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Sent: Friday, January 3, 2014 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Hi Bill, I just use a bit of Hylomar on the bolt threads.B Any non-setting type of sealer should do the trick.B Your idea of studs with sealer should work, too. Ibve also had the same problem with the bolts for the generator bracket, and use the same solution. -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 18:08:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DD542FE1 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:08:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9555942FE1 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:08:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id i12so7995309vbh.18 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:06:30 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ltin0Rrl5tkMhD7dSaG2USiSNx5LUgsClyqMphiN650=; b=q/rq6BBs6i7lRGJOBtqsObGljxskt/mmrX50ZYCVlSFq5EaYmOndfUsEtFSsToKxoK PBH4+LpnbeIvJdMwpSa+B0j4V06EeidKohikCRvJbwhbr8e+yGLoa1E3QHV+lCfKYEz1 uHYYD6W5QdqqpXYr3aJfqt+W2jVIGoteX3XGOt1hQ9jKuovuM4IWQDKOTlS8yUNaL1z8 GHScOhxUHgUwMqbqISOt7OzD44CwbCpjvM0jlsur9wGsDg8LopWtW3sbi6Ni5bFpYHjb ZkgF7z+vzgHyJFX4mfEDbyvb0IPFv5EyyJXxJG0dr0+f9hrx3ir+4wi1icYFbT6QnzSo w62w== kj4mr55565579veb.2.1388797590294; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.117.204 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:06:30 -0800 (PST) References: <1388795382.50013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:06:30 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Some Teflon dope will also seal those. Geo On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 5:29 PM, William Brewer wrote: > My TR3 had a pretty good oil leak out of the two bolts coming out of > the > block for the coil mounting. When I finish putting my engine back > together, I > would like to avoid having this. Is there something else that can be done? > Maybe shouldered studs or something. I have lathe and could make something, > but would rather buy it if something better is available. What would > happen if > you put in studs with some sort of sealer around them like marine epoxy , > Permatex or Locktite? > Has anyone else had this issue? > TIA, > > > -Bill Brewer > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 18:13:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476A843029 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:13:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DD842FE1 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:13:00 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=R6iBn2ngaAtgKWh2yMp4bNQlVs0gkqji4viz4akBl4+e5sYlR85XXH63ioES8rAV; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VzFlg-0000MZ-7O for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 20:11:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:11:20 -0600 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Has any one used a Gunson Gastester exhaust gas analyzer tester? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gunson-Gastester-exhaust-gas-analyzer-tester-/280681199112 A friend of mine has an old old unit (different brand) that he says helped him a lot. He had thought he had it tuned, but when hooked the gas tester up, he found he was rich throughout the whole range. He leaned it out and it ran better and he got better gas mileage. Roger Elliott On 01/03/2014 04:49 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Wellsir, you're getting an array of advice. > > Perhaps a better starting point is the problem you're trying to solve, i.e. > black exhaust, poor mpg, fouled plugs, poor performance, rough idle, etc. > > I do not know which ZS carbs you have -- the early ones had a simple nut > adjustment like the old SUs, I think the later ones had a different adjust > (from the top) and then came ones with no means of adjustment provided. > Which you have will also suggest solutions. > > The manuals guide you through setting mixture at idle and some tools allow > it to be set at high RPM (I use Colortune) and in the end driving and > reading plugs will tell you much. It all seems a bit inexact with carbs > but certainly one can get a satisfactory result on an otherwise correct > set-up. > > Geo > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Sujit Roy wrote: > >> This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up >> >> Sujit >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 18:35:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1449F43031 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:35:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CB042F03 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:31:19 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=WZquA4FqTjoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eNU1o89W12cA:10 a=e8dew5bzAAAA:20 a=53CDjM5kAAAA:20 a=efas3qji-0bG6ANuwcAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=oCF7BLjufKIA:10 a=37rQhKrYhg0A:10 a=PpvQEwnPbwYA:10 a=rOEwJ1yEamQA:10 a=0KYP3SpuOrsA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55007] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 22/77-21884-CF367C25; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 01:29:33 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:29:36 -0800 Thread-index: Ac8I1Sw4MApCpyUHQk6mQpT+hTlS/AAFx3Eg Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Borla now owns TWM So they do. But it looks like they still sell the bodies to fit ZS manifolds. http://tinyurl.com/lsznjsb Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 18:40:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680224302C for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:40:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ABC43042 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:39:57 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=LQRONU9eIZsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eTjl0qtw4AcA:10 a=pE_safudAAAA:20 a=yNuFpg55hsC1NrLfUNYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=_Yy77DjDRGoA:10 a=Rvq2M3fNLBwA:10 a=PpvQEwnPbwYA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 67/C0-21976-20667C25; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 01:38:11 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:38:14 -0800 Thread-index: Ac8I5FZFNZs3WhJpQZ6R3z8k57DDCAACF93w Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there something else that > can be done? I'm still using a bottle of Vibra-tite that I got from work when they closed the sonar department. http://tinyurl.com/ny7wfhl But Hylomar should work fine. > Maybe shouldered studs or something. Seems to me that a double ended stud would work well, with a hex head in the center and threads on both ends. Use a copper or fiber washer between the hex and the block, then nuts to hold the coil on. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 3 19:08:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588D64301A for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 19:08:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2944300D for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 19:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9dZE1n0030vp7WLA4e6PsG; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:06:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9e6L1n00i4L5TyG8Re6M7X; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:06:22 +0000 From: Bud R To: Roger Elliott Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 19:06:20 -0700 References: <52C75FB8.3020802@rmi.net> s=q20121106; t=1388801183; bh=NJz8AX6bp0QjoHGj+WV83kDX9L7yRtZ0KgQlNBCoq/g=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=Z46O8WB8euMvYhPsUQ24JLgyt9d/jixdAuhs20TM6joA2l/XScQ0hTnoROXiE6IPq /NPGdfbrblMBNfZ4Ni1f8cB/+8gWj9M8nAS9pKjhKZEcmFUwYXTyFEMtcGdW9QOMBw hGOqAMAtsgYfpQOufaxYw/SHybv0i6UtP23+bZ+O44LMJK36MTaorx2rqP6wky+WYa muBvREvcr35ZbfscXP9lQLQI82FeTMAPwLz9w3Ww3ZiEhy/Cllzb/K+lOHvCcW66N6 Xn5OEs0f/kqJTr2Tq2GGLEPyD56ItSVHvvkyvUmZYOslEHnPRlvgX83n2K1PRONAOH +iJ6gxAkhV4AQ== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Are there any new hi-tech cheap gadgets I can buy to get my fuel mixture right ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an older version that works fairly well. I used it to pass emissions testing and it was accurate enough for that. I did have to watch moisture buildup on the little plastic part that the flow passes by as it would start to give erroneous readings if you didn't wipe it off regularly. Maybe the newer versions don't have this problem. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine and dinghy car for RV) 70 Spitfire MK III (parts car, FE engine donated to race car) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Has any one used a Gunson Gastester exhaust gas analyzer tester? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gunson-Gastester-exhaust-gas-analyzer-tester-/280681199112 > > A friend of mine has an old old unit (different brand) that he says > helped him a lot. He had thought he had it tuned, but when hooked > the gas tester up, he found he was rich throughout the whole range. > He leaned it out and it ran better and he got better gas mileage. > > Roger Elliott > On 01/03/2014 04:49 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: >> Wellsir, you're getting an array of advice. >> >> Perhaps a better starting point is the problem you're trying to >> solve, i.e. >> black exhaust, poor mpg, fouled plugs, poor performance, rough >> idle, etc. >> >> I do not know which ZS carbs you have -- the early ones had a >> simple nut >> adjustment like the old SUs, I think the later ones had a different >> adjust >> (from the top) and then came ones with no means of adjustment >> provided. >> Which you have will also suggest solutions. >> >> The manuals guide you through setting mixture at idle and some >> tools allow >> it to be set at high RPM (I use Colortune) and in the end driving and >> reading plugs will tell you much. It all seems a bit inexact with >> carbs >> but certainly one can get a satisfactory result on an otherwise >> correct >> set-up. >> >> Geo >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Sujit Roy >> wrote: >> >>> This is for a Stag with the original twin ZS set up >>> >>> Sujit >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 06:10:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF024303E for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 06:10:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDD4403DD for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 06:10:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r10so16410512pdi.38 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:08:58 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=IR75zad9FasYoz6t8orEexaoywWtD/iCctB2baDNaYU=; b=i4zSpCxP7RTV/o3mmKiJZAtL7u9q6cFvehSQAtasvuqvr2Z4QH1H9oU35VvF+o8jJc 3nlHKQVNAyEJJObY5BEsPMhI8k8R08bwDs/gPqIWZGBZ7jrub485W7yY0NTdG15v7N+h /ESVw5lrmzPS6bGMtrXA0jzhXrEhiwuGPwE+1AMpkANja9EWHtxs3VUyaoOrQDwKb6+8 0u3BIxGBuYuWQSlfltoU76zLa4BhBB4fn4a32VzYx23Y67TpZ07zmU66OlkGQEOWHhse ITUboYJJIl/M33R2PTqz7KkKdBObjRtvRyC3koDEwMww5X1gS+cQQR32Tn+s3ykK0SfH 2nzg== sh7mr105437806pbb.7.1388840938248; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qf7sm151486666pac.14.2014.01.04.05.08.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:08:57 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 08:09:07 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8JTiYTq3d1CyPUQxihHLL32UwRzQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: My saved emails were wiped off my computer when I tried to clean up the folders. User error yes. In any event, I have been trying to locate a pair of good used original Lucas horns for my 62 TR4. A couple folks responded that they had some. Could you please contact me directly if you have some available that work. Also, does anyone have Marv's contact info in Alabama? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 07:06:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACBA43032 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:06:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA6F403DD for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.175]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1A17270000083 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mob005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.209]) by mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8C75338000081 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:02:12 -0500 (EST) References: <1388795382.50013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d244.sysops.aol.com (205.188.17.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:02:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:02:12 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388844132; bh=p/8PL4IVCwbU3VEDK1/3+Z78ccb10YdqpeUsin+0bmI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gbMc3JMEV2Efi+gw+zPeumqadGa/m49ZZBcVCLYSPIA3B+zJnOOmw4H/fh4NB1YbG sgvpyvoJPScMq6KLrZP4VZxWEA0kjKxwNVGWe39L9rj74X/BMkk+RSEL+V5nHL6waq nlwhXTkOyTDGm3VZi9QafxHV+s8T/xNBMDmlZ+HQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeaf52c8146401d8 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A quick look at McMaster Carr showed no shouldered studs but your could use some threaded studs with a nut run up halfway and secured with Locktite. Then use an small O-ring between the block and the nut. Or you could just Locktite a couple of studs in the holes. The Locktite will seal the threads and stop the leak. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 6:31 pm Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak My TR3 had a pretty good oil leak out of the two bolts coming out of the block for the coil mounting. When I finish putting my engine back together, I would like to avoid having this. Is there something else that can be done? Maybe shouldered studs or something. I have lathe and could make something, but would rather buy it if something better is available. What would happen if you put in studs with some sort of sealer around them like marine epoxy , Permatex or Locktite? Has anyone else had this issue? TIA, -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 07:25:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA44643040 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:25:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2EB403DD for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:25:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9qJj1n0020xGWP856qPVu4; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:23:29 +0000 Received: from [10.230.13.175] ([174.228.65.161]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9qPK1n00a3UlDvy3YqPNNM; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:23:27 +0000 To: "Triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:23:26 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1388845409; bh=fLk7E4BkVKtrV7ZcwYQM0eN8/JQUFyNpDOa8GMWFAoc=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D1PbczuEDaFIcum/mKF71nkw3qCc8+XVCTZ1o5KplIPBKx2Hu2/+UWZnjgdfupR95 Yz3mpF9yBYrFp/VCTUjMQVhdd2qtFWlhqSs0IydcsxRktt5FB/xQwcswvwijd5AsBB GR4CXxeB63ieEYsLYnjRYd8ebWst6z4RUiNT8K5nauE3vAFBhRT9a3V2XsSnnRnKSg vzd3ZSSd+5AdcOCoyrZITu8vNL33fxXBQvjksNEaR7xEpZUB9kLtPCleoRetuqRNg8 ga8UPFshDr+aVkSHOUuNcLaU/mAZ4IT1kuiQjq7k+3LLeN3UmUQ8oezjnHbvpkUjWx BOFWXU5d+scPQ== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Race_car=2E_1963_Triumph_Spitfire=2E_for_sale=2E?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Reminds me of why people stop shoveling money down the rathole of unsponsored racing. Then the kids leave, they're getting older, and they start harking back to youth and pretty soon the old bank account is empty. "Honey, where's my Peter Pan tights?" :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Triumphs" , "Spitfire" , <>>, Subject: [TR] Race car. 1963 Triumph Spitfire. for sale. Date: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 1:23 am This looks like one fine ride! Wish I could put it in my garage! http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=172&p=283#p283 mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 08:00:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4182843047 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 08:00:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DAA403E3 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:59:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:35229] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A5/84-14229-B7128C25; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:58:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:58:04 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: William Brewer , Triumphs References: <1388795382.50013.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Mount Oil Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, Same here. I used some Permatex on the threads and all cleared up. I believe this problem was discussed a few years back if I remember. Bob On 01/03/2014 07:29 PM, William Brewer wrote: > My TR3 had a pretty good oil leak out of the two bolts coming out of the > block for the coil mounting. When I finish putting my engine back together, I > would like to avoid having this. Is there something else that can be done? > Maybe shouldered studs or something. I have lathe and could make something, > but would rather buy it if something better is available. What would happen if > you put in studs with some sort of sealer around them like marine epoxy , > Permatex or Locktite? > Has anyone else had this issue? > TIA, > > > -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 10:15:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3820C43024 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:15:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FC040066 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:15:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id p10so16541515pdj.32 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:13:55 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=JyFCvIZ2OHkj975qcomEr7XcXDkNqjTHsekVzdRuDJM=; b=QZQ8UWa/TcEdhfTeI4meTMCLKWCeMWRypV0Nut7No34RXpR8Ohi9C7rJkDjq1zVlye 6GNP8Z+4HGwKRGlIskWZWexu+yKwIZpcUv3af2MWv2k8tvoPzPEyWjRpG+rLz9EfOB1V Ll21KHAQlk0fFhPl2aIdDgrPY0mMCBfpL3KDdHxYAzm2WskK8nDIRnXCW8F+pm4GrkIU KAtiCp09rZr10JG2zRYb7JnPRBBBAXSbIUZrXEndRPfhfsBQB2N9kVWBrrv7BFmnbX0G tCCbqS7kF4HqSiXXHnXBRaLAkkn4oZhYo5OIC8HAEAZm3ccIHqDoZhupjZmW9bZEIa0+ SJ7Q== gy2mr7090537pbc.129.1388855635530; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pq1sm9808471pbc.8.2014.01.04.09.13.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:14:06 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8JcF+uENjCCr9rQPikZMER8cPe6A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Installing new Moss leaf springs on my 62 TR4 today and having a bit of a problem. I can't seem to get the front mount of the spring onto the round housing on the frame. The leaf spring bushing is rubber with a metal cylinder sleeve that would slide over the frame shaft. It looks to me as if the inner metal cylinder sleeve on the new spring bushing is the same size as the housing on the frame. I inspected my old springs that I removed and they did not have an inner metal cylinder sleeve on the bushing, just a big rubber bushing. Is the metal cylinder sleeve supposed to be removed before installing. Seems like it would be better if the sleeve was there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 10:30:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B6D403BA for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:30:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8DA403BA for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [74.110.208.75]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYW00LSD0JEQX20@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:28:27 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:28:25 -0500 References: <019201cf0970$60d199d0$2274cd70$@gmail.com> To: "James Henningsen" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would say that the bushing inner sleeve from the old spring is frozen onto the shaft. The shaft is suppose to come out of the frame to the inside. It is threaded for a bolt to pull it out with. This is so you can change the spring with the body on the frame. They almost always are frozen in the frame and a real fight to get them out. See part number 106231 in the parts book. Dean On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > Installing new Moss leaf springs on my 62 TR4 today and having a bit of a > problem. I can't seem to get the front mount of the spring onto the round > housing on the frame. The leaf spring bushing is rubber with a metal > cylinder sleeve that would slide over the frame shaft. It looks to me as if > the inner metal cylinder sleeve on the new spring bushing is the same size > as the housing on the frame. I inspected my old springs that I removed and > they did not have an inner metal cylinder sleeve on the bushing, just a big > rubber bushing. Is the metal cylinder sleeve supposed to be removed > before installing. Seems like it would be better if the sleeve was there. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 10:47:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B0643038 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:47:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB744032A for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q10so16296823pdj.8 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:45:02 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=Hoa2/WJeWjU+ca9zWpjwo62pW8qw9rPaNlLKROBCYk8=; b=coal841r1LP8trxOcCkZOVZBUaw+mQbtbQlTfbHKsLWg0Saq6iikxp9hCTJV7SS/5G p/PgVpo1QrjI2HnQOPETP69xJgRG64Oh7JZqU05pplRNRznfmqw7EKpn2+FNTNGUi0cS IL8+XBKAwmVdg9OwYpQa6nuPqUOP0z8QTSPSr8Sea694kaavax0+jzV6kU/LjCcdJKr1 9g8clauEGU5qxxLTFotoK6dkQhb8bEZc/RaLWddZ2YLoqyeKQ4DRfyHIM8Q0aknI2VlI 1MUqPIfy/4F80LhXBZ9jpOmDhE/57yaHNwXbrUBLpE6rJDem4soEAMeNkdDFS8WW33id EDIA== pp7mr106668716pbc.125.1388857502544; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ic7sm117182695pbc.29.2014.01.04.09.45.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Dean Tetterton'" References: <019201cf0970$60d199d0$2274cd70$@gmail.com> <48D18AC3-1907-48FD-B587-9BB2311D1A86@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:45:13 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGER4loDzJsuHghtcdf8HW5MLTXBQIAzrQgmvpTv+A= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. I'll check again and see if the original sleeve is frozen to the frame. Oh the fun! Jim -----Original Message----- From: Dean Tetterton [mailto:tr3a58@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:28 PM To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs I would say that the bushing inner sleeve from the old spring is frozen onto the shaft. The shaft is suppose to come out of the frame to the inside. It is threaded for a bolt to pull it out with. This is so you can change the spring with the body on the frame. They almost always are frozen in the frame and a real fight to get them out. See part number 106231 in the parts book. Dean On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > Installing new Moss leaf springs on my 62 TR4 today and having a bit > of a problem. I can't seem to get the front mount of the spring onto > the round housing on the frame. The leaf spring bushing is rubber > with a metal cylinder sleeve that would slide over the frame shaft. > It looks to me as if the inner metal cylinder sleeve on the new spring > bushing is the same size as the housing on the frame. I inspected my > old springs that I removed and they did not have an inner metal cylinder sleeve on the bushing, just a big > rubber bushing. Is the metal cylinder sleeve supposed to be removed > before installing. Seems like it would be better if the sleeve was there. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 11:14:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FD74304B for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:14:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66669403D7 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:09:01 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=Iym34dyu2KLwZ6ntF8aVYnof6ouJ/XMb/KZCYo2MyL10i7nnHtRX1TKoZQN56BeZ; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-0c93ujd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.250.109] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VzVct-00073V-6r for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:07:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:07:07 -0600 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Lucas 25d distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have a I am replacing the points, condenser and the low tension lead (inside the distributor) on a Lucas 25D. The old lead was in pieces. The original LT lead was clamped to the points plate - I suspect it made contact with the plate- then was screwed down to the distributor housing using the screw that holds points plate down. The new lead does not look like it would make contact with the plate. I have seen pictures of that show the lead going to the same post that the condenser lead goes to - under the plastic spacer. Is that the correct way? Did something change? Am I missing a wire that should go to the distributor body? Roger Elliott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 11:45:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB842F0D for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:45:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A47403D7 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:43:58 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=cCPFAHpKO8kA:10 a=BbU5nQsHRaDDTM1JGJMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C3/DB-21884-00658C25; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:42:09 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Roger Elliott'" , Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:42:12 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8JeIUNGIhVv8QwTKK2Wo6Z0a+q/wAAg8Yw Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas 25d distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The original LT lead was clamped to the points plate That was the ground lead for the point plate, not the low tension lead. You need two wires, the LT lead goes from the insulated terminal on the side to the spring for the points (on the post but insulated from the post by a "top hat"). The ground lead was originally (I believe) riveted to the moving point plate, then over to one of the screws that holds the fixed base plate to the body. Both wires are a special material, that flexes easily (so to not interfere with the action of the vacuum advance), and hopefully lasts a long time with constant flexing. Ordinary stranded wire will work, but not for very long. ISTR that there are two styles of LT lead; but maybe I'm thinking of the difference between DM2 and 25D4. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 12:34:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810F840535 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:34:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638C640396 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:34:07 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=kPqPGT9W1F1CZqQjVZUKdfMZvJl+FCrwWXlkgLCREZi0RHRkA+api0T4ZEA2Gtl/; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-0c93ujd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.250.109] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWxF-0001Ct-0Z for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:32:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:32:15 -0600 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas 25d distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall! Sounds like I just messed it up. I guess I will replace it for now with some stranded wire just to see if it works. It looks like some of the vendors have that wire available, so I will get it and repair it correctly. Thanks, Roger On 1/4/2014 12:42 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original LT lead was clamped to the points plate > That was the ground lead for the point plate, not the low tension lead. You need two wires, the LT lead goes from the insulated > terminal on the side to the spring for the points (on the post but insulated from the post by a "top hat"). The ground lead was > originally (I believe) riveted to the moving point plate, then over to one of the screws that holds the fixed base plate to the > body. > > Both wires are a special material, that flexes easily (so to not interfere with the action of the vacuum advance), and hopefully > lasts a long time with constant flexing. Ordinary stranded wire will work, but not for very long. > > ISTR that there are two styles of LT lead; but maybe I'm thinking of the difference between DM2 and 25D4. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 12:46:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3405F4041D for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:46:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0942E403E3 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9vUa1n0011uE5Es5FvibYg; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:42:35 +0000 Received: from [10.230.13.175] ([174.228.65.161]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9viR1n00l3UlDvy3cviUG3; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:42:33 +0000 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:42:32 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1388864556; bh=I18FFON5cPrd5EKoAmK77V6suzX9QMUkyB7r33XX3rg=; h=Received:Received:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ICc3Wo3+neppkolkZ/ggXwyFYR5HKFg4ABPYVRWFN9AgawSNGovrtHfQHXJnLtmPH /ef3GViaaIo7i84jXJvQ9AQHoGqgFwdmfi51lpZbz59RIZXw8YMLJgaaWpP3x/bqM7 HBTDklyzK63pkgbYLFk3efeVsy/VMVzEARrOS6yAFsdQgwKllbqb4M8fY50tCFZuFh scisWC3e1TB24MLEBGH86Iwp31C7CT454Uc+k9kDP+QtjC0rofbjYlRPKCtDapTorq v8XubpcjouuF0ph/RYS/o0FsKuZROdc9EfQuDW24F/oscNsNLeDJF5vnvWoo3T95xV dVLixnWid9HEA== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Rear_Leaf_Springs?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Agreed. I usually resort to dremel to split the old sleeve. Those babies are hard! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Dean Tetterton" To: "James Henningsen" Cc: Subject: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs Date: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 11:28 am I would say that the bushing inner sleeve from the old spring is frozen onto the shaft. The shaft is suppose to come out of the frame to the inside. It is threaded for a bolt to pull it out with. This is so you can change the spring with the body on the frame. They almost always are frozen in the frame and a real fight to get them out. See part number 106231 in the parts book. Dean On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > Installing new Moss leaf springs on my 62 TR4 today and having a bit of a > problem. I can't seem to get the front mount of the spring onto the round > housing on the frame. The leaf spring bushing is rubber with a metal > cylinder sleeve that would slide over the frame shaft. It looks to me as if > the inner metal cylinder sleeve on the new spring bushing is the same size > as the housing on the frame. I inspected my old springs that I removed and > they did not have an inner metal cylinder sleeve on the bushing, just a big > rubber bushing. Is the metal cylinder sleeve supposed to be removed > before installing. Seems like it would be better if the sleeve was there. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 13:16:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0D640537 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:16:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B89403C7 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id w20so8180004vbb.19 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:09:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=neecjH9oPh8jTN3azJF/v+yhfFrlRrzgb/XyHktTNwA=; b=qU39T9Sk5EuueuIfl+x0Euwsx0RZ+nOEOk3zDZ+1SWuIWobs3Nw+gW+0eM4gm3ty3o xi89z45y3xAwyun1FDhb4BR3QyNA9CVmpHF67Mf0+D4Lhx5UJE0Y41XOoMzcczgvUsuj vqZ4M8s9nJ4kqZLHncXXLnfPMJovzmGM9O/JuJ4osuCoK/WTwmzYBHuFVNuYLpxPcahS bUbMNFzPdorDvoHhbFk98eDYQq7jZpOoR3MlxB/i6abtBF7KbG/NuhfKQypO1UhpIQdo 9jQ8ilxDgwiZH8VCo7QQ/228PlKxYjT49HD3hwjRBu/FmXES+dgIpulEfFxytQUOXbBP 4g4A== w13mr18412978vcz.5.1388866187513; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.117.204 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:09:47 -0800 (PST) References: <52C861BF.7060505@rmi.net> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:09:47 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Roger Elliott Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas 25d distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In case a photo is of any use: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/25D_zps1263a732.jpg Geo On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Thanks Randall! > > Sounds like I just messed it up. I guess I will replace it for now with > some stranded wire just to see if it works. It looks like some of the > vendors have that wire available, so I will get it and repair it correctly. > > Thanks, > Roger > > > > On 1/4/2014 12:42 PM, Randall wrote: > >> The original LT lead was clamped to the points plate >>> >> That was the ground lead for the point plate, not the low tension lead. >> You need two wires, the LT lead goes from the insulated >> terminal on the side to the spring for the points (on the post but >> insulated from the post by a "top hat"). The ground lead was >> originally (I believe) riveted to the moving point plate, then over to >> one of the screws that holds the fixed base plate to the >> body. >> >> Both wires are a special material, that flexes easily (so to not >> interfere with the action of the vacuum advance), and hopefully >> lasts a long time with constant flexing. Ordinary stranded wire will >> work, but not for very long. >> >> ISTR that there are two styles of LT lead; but maybe I'm thinking of the >> difference between DM2 and 25D4. >> >> Randall >> > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 15:12:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE2C40537 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:12:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10280403BA for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id e26so2869814gga.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:10:35 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=PJLgC77UkOThKHb4AeUEnSGZZ34HzYcO1bEbEHHx+J4=; b=tAZCwukzgNGKhB2fsS0AHTvTEfz18yAmCMWq5aP+xKwh1EHOb09OPwZikvef80lJUI k+bTlou4glukZ8vT7yq2Kn/x44z/u/TEjsYW4kHjt87Y5M22BjOt/P8jCzCbaqbxKNt5 ZpHOdjgKgCqTawAQuv/oTQB2h11Y+YwOnzCF5IHyzDdQ+oKBCEngrdyOQqWSPeFCA3KF NZZBLThB/V2pzG9jnfUNFfRJBK7FcTlL6WcxzFKoNxpbF1J1gVEPVWV4xIx8uVUrNAV3 tbkgINQA5DZbuMY1xyY4rtAFmrDYJzZKLBms1nmIImDJjWiY+e+dlqLbLOtGp8IqIdV7 PsSQ== r34mr131223yhi.62.1388873435660; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.229.225.64] (57.sub-174-228-196.myvzw.com. [174.228.196.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e50sm10550980yhd.26.2014.01.04.14.10.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:10:34 -0800 (PST) References: <20140104194617.19BDD42F0D@autox.team.net> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:10:32 -0500 To: "spook01@comcast.net" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You all are the best! The sleeve was stuck on there real good. A Dremel tool, diamond cutting wheel, wd40 and 60 minutes of patience cutting and changing out cutting disks worked. No damage to the shaft or threads thank goodness. The Dremel takes longer but less risk of cutting into and damaging the shaft. I think I'll do the other one tomorrow. Thank you all so much for your advice! I think there should be a medal for getting those little guys off. Cheers, Jim Henningsen Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:42 PM, "spook01@comcast.net" wrote: > Agreed. I usually resort to dremel to split the old sleeve. Those babies are hard! > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Dean Tetterton" > To: "James Henningsen" > Cc: > Subject: [TR] Rear Leaf Springs > Date: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 11:28 am > > > I would say that the bushing inner sleeve from the old spring is frozen > onto the shaft. The shaft is suppose to come out of the frame to the inside. > It is threaded for a bolt to pull it out with. This is so you can change the > spring with the body on the frame. They almost always are frozen in the > frame and a real fight to get them out. > > See part number 106231 in the parts book. > > Dean > > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > >> Installing new Moss leaf springs on my 62 TR4 today and having a bit of a >> problem. I can't seem to get the front mount of the spring onto the round >> housing on the frame. The leaf spring bushing is rubber with a metal >> cylinder sleeve that would slide over the frame shaft. It looks to me as > if >> the inner metal cylinder sleeve on the new spring bushing is the same size >> as the housing on the frame. I inspected my old springs that I removed and >> they did not have an inner metal cylinder sleeve on the bushing, just a big >> rubber bushing. Is the metal cylinder sleeve supposed to be removed >> before installing. Seems like it would be better if the sleeve was there. >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Jim Henningsen >> >> Ocala FL >> >> 62 TR4 x2 >> >> 75 TR6 >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01@comcast.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 4 22:22:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103024051D for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:22:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F00BE40432 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:22:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2014 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.172] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2014 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2014 05:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 79163 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2014 05:20:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388899224; bh=5EMFBK9E7k2inQ/MEcVn8OQjRe+diYA7/bIYzPeTc7c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=17+b/W80aK17SC6zq/RvJ1QOg2TMHKacqsYsOZxKRXKGFZbBa82MABTvLECEM33Ff1N813Vsd4hfpLQfjepU89G+AVv/eWsebyGp4UVXoWNiWA+60rgHuH0kVAJK+OI9w35E6C5+u9tg5rfw/N2sbtQXXYAKSDxhZh6Deje5ZZo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GUxIQEMDwvPVtgWY5/7vaBX3dyoCCT+vitU1qlxppBg6b+M7/ukMc08eprMqFMgGF3WwC9QcnqfERvDg3sIn7p9/fsMicR2UHfFLjaLiHhiZJ1vWKcJsilEsrsT01YOYvJsVXY4wKUZjH2zzS9wNT4oXCK/4TB8IojFoZu0YMYo=; zprlgimsHwSgrCSxuKOBjDUtT7gY5N._QqfwXOGJ403zLfUJYbyjtLjBKMJ0 V5ZbPf_lynfbmOcUvH0bkqQ9sU9QJh256.gFjsx1elvGaaeKRJHIf99MgUYC HZFM0w6RDR4wQHhueMM0qInHYgYnSQJmM6ZbRVLWb0qfKZL_rzbdy.Svzjy1 wwbgDaA8jRClBQh7vYOiE2v8dlzpbas_ItDGtVz0SOFyYNh5Rl4YNEGX8Qmv .LsD6DfqBjtipg.7W_SE5LE8l1p.n39bLj45MDQ3g7A4ztWwepSGlv32NlHC S2_LLu98jWhqwbVBGogPofIuiynh.fTWOdlQ52BaHnO40IYP4x.qBI.4omjJ 2Qhh.32y5RzwQgJQlWWx9pfZtu70niiRqBQlwG5fJa6QnO1nRzrCMtacn1va gV6JAzOF5uVnQZXAvZSLb_6CnEpvhiRKQkJw6R7dAEiil2omEeba8z2XmIvC dKu3OO_74OIk05vd7o8QAF2_BO8iJDDda7_A_lBkQ4dYUd.U2dtGEn7butPy N Received: from [75.157.128.35] by web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:20:24 PST YXJlIHRyMiByZWFyIGZlbmRlcnMgdGhlIHNhbWUgYXMgdHIzIG9yIHRyM2EgcmVhciBmZW5kZXJzATABAQEB Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Maas To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tr2 rear fenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net are tr2 rear fenders the same as tr3 or tr3a rear fenders ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 07:17:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D72B431F9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 07:17:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120C043192 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 07:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.65.21]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id AECy1n0040TX5L601ECzEg; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 07:13:00 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Dave Maas'" , References: <1388899224.72260.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 09:12:48 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGlJ9BJQWEU9VircWDC8awd53C51JrJ8H1w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] tr2 rear fenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe there was a difference in the very early cars (up to TS 1300 or so). Don't know what the difference is, though. After that they are the same through the TR3B Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Maas Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:20 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tr2 rear fenders are tr2 rear fenders the same as tr3 or tr3a rear fenders ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 07:35:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12D343240 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 07:35:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E887A43177 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 07:34:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:60983] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5B/6E-12532-B1D69C25; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:33:00 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <1388899224.72260.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001cf0a20$3cee5fc0$b6cb1f40$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:33:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] tr2 rear fenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am not sure either, the Moss Motors catalog, or Victoria British, or Roadster Factory (google and bookmark them if you haven't already) are a good resource (though not infallible) for figuring these types of things out, if you are doing a full restoration and trying to keep it all original, the Original Triumph Restorer's guide by Piggot is an invaluable resource, but apparently it truly is an invaluable resource, because many people want major bucks for them used these days. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 09:58:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E853143528 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 09:58:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A331742F36 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 09:57:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-DS5 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:56:00 -0800 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:55:28 -0800 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:55:28 -0800 FILETIME=[02EB5550:01CF0A37] Subject: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can TR6 lifters be pulled out without removing the head? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 10:56:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69A443586 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 10:56:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com (mail-pd0-f182.google.com [209.85.192.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF1042FB4 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 10:56:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id v10so17380503pde.27 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:54:39 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=g1+HhJvqTXxCgnGOx6oVlFx1o8evjA7T3K4Mm5WXryI=; b=rvPGF9TKnW0Ao0ThEsSWxwo9nnSuKqghAuacw6EXK/SB/M5AHqKJi0PS8E8Xnj97Zi HS2TOSlXLSKJnAEJG6HOCRui6DMhEbqGqeIzr5M2GVPnWA1gJ5YFnIUXnM5gtTpJZ2oj KAVjIPjaGGwzWVpMuDYcC6tw5AJmxRh9smOFNZm7rPwoLj/0hGyYjnzguLpiEXMZXzuK 3nz2N08Rew2Hn2D/YjX4UxlVo12BoB7dnlR8QlY9FCYxFg2vnnjev1Y9KOqDa1o/BB8V 3DlI3EGCb1ewNL2Lnbwmtxsg+bCkySC1CyEvJgABTXwmsdbHuqHnlgPFuHcEvV4e/5SY t0jw== f5mr118892517pbg.6.1388944479217; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pe3sm123269887pbc.23.2014.01.05.09.54.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:54:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8KPzKKJOKMZnnYQS2GR+62yt2Huw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Rear Leaf Spring Adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got the other inner sleeve that was frozen on the mounting stud off today. Turns out that one came off with just a little heat. Lucky me! Good news is that both new leaf springs and bushings are installed! Didn't need to take off the mounting studs to get the leafs on with body on car. I have to say it was pretty easy to work on with the rear axle out of the car. Speaking of the rear axle. I am planning on having the outer bearings and seals replaced as well as the front seal. Everything is leaking of course. Anything specific I should have checked while it is out of the car? Don't want to take the whole thing apart if it doesn't need it. Thanks again for everyone's help! Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 11:45:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438A84354B for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:45:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FE94313D for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:45:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.68.243]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id AJjb1n00U5EvEw601Jjh50; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:43:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Peter Arakelian'" , "'Listers'" References: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:43:26 -0500 Thread-Index: AQLVjJh4xiiQrfY9rEuSftLQ/JJFkphpccJA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No way that I am aware of. I just pulled the head on my 250 to get lifters out. The shop which built my TR250 (under 1000 miles ago) didn't bend the tabs over the two bolts which hold the cam sprocket in place: one came loose and then the other sheared off, causing the sprocket to come off, taking with it the nub at the end of the cam. So a new cam is in order. A silly little thing like a tab ends up costing a lot of money and time........ Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 11:55 AM To: Listers Subject: [TR] TR6 lifters Can TR6 lifters be pulled out without removing the head? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 12:03:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B94743601 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:03:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9BC4006E for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:03:20 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=6bWRHfWJ9q8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=iw-ewd9XAF4A:10 a=fPYoOB6UAAAA:20 a=2XS5m51AmSQ-57hq1XIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=zhMZze4KXx8A:10 a=knChomD9ag5YiVR8:21 a=faY7kwB6cOdcv2B9:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55018] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 69/2C-00868-50CA9C25; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:01:26 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'James Henningsen'" , Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:01:25 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8KPzKKJOKMZnnYQS2GR+62yt2HuwAB//sQ Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Leaf Spring Adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Speaking of the rear axle. I am planning on having the outer > bearings and > seals replaced as well as the front seal. Everything is > leaking of course. Don't forget the inner wheel bearing seals as well. If you are getting oil in the brakes, the inner seals are actually what is leaking. In fact, you might consider just changing them and the pinion seal; and leave the outer seals (& bearings) alone. They won't leak unless you overgrease the bearing (and even new seals won't stand up to too much grease). Be sure to get someone that knows how to remove the hubs. The average machine shop will assure you that they can get them apart, but then not pay for new ones (when they ruin your old ones). http://tinyurl.com/l5f6c4l > Anything specific I should have checked while it is out of > the car? I'd check the backlash in the gears before disassembly. Too much may indicate the need for new thrust washers. It's extra hassle, but only a little as long as the bearings are OK. And of course the axle end float, even if you don't change the bearings. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 12:16:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941E243658 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:16:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f173.google.com (mail-gg0-f173.google.com [209.85.161.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42EC435B0 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-gg0-f173.google.com with SMTP id q4so3405859ggn.18 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:14:01 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=InvVEMkU9Qmrg3L7aUGM4VwO3EKbybydC7LoPToHbTA=; b=qeX661CLyE17J1yrOcTdL8YFaFbhoQDDBMcovqO6Rg5YJlhvQt8f+71Z5hSb39mkor bLa3czTaJ5mXK6eZfYR7At8DO3rLXm2WYptJ0nA1SUHYH11qlIr/KfeOPjeySwecCVTe vRW5xvGCEulLl4MOWGJ8oMxxNpGy9y+/U+u3znfCFHZp6Tuf5at5AqwA6/vy7KkWdEgy IyZ0qTqqXkFtuaBrA2FzOpK9WE3rMaglQVfmSe8eYZO48Qz4O353/DvSRwdyUTvMzEwQ QyvNq+DSmq24mYBiKjVdYf1pA3CH9deSJWEWFS1Dq98npqd9XadRS7OtDLjj+sAc+0Om kIGQ== w13mr72554626yhe.41.1388949241144; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.229.225.64] (57.sub-174-228-196.myvzw.com. [174.228.196.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f78sm15178335yhp.12.2014.01.05.11.13.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:14:00 -0800 (PST) References: <69.2C.00868.50CA9C25@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:13:57 -0500 To: Randall Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Leaf Spring Adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the info! Jim Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2014, at 2:01 PM, "Randall" wrote: > >> Speaking of the rear axle. I am planning on having the outer >> bearings and >> seals replaced as well as the front seal. Everything is >> leaking of course. > > Don't forget the inner wheel bearing seals as well. If you are getting oil in the brakes, the inner seals are actually what is > leaking. In fact, you might consider just changing them and the pinion seal; and leave the outer seals (& bearings) alone. They > won't leak unless you overgrease the bearing (and even new seals won't stand up to too much grease). > > Be sure to get someone that knows how to remove the hubs. The average machine shop will assure you that they can get them apart, > but then not pay for new ones (when they ruin your old ones). > http://tinyurl.com/l5f6c4l > >> Anything specific I should have checked while it is out of >> the car? > > I'd check the backlash in the gears before disassembly. Too much may indicate the need for new thrust washers. It's extra hassle, > but only a little as long as the bearings are OK. > > And of course the axle end float, even if you don't change the bearings. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 12:44:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63314436A7 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:44:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559434366A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:38:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.112]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A8904700000BF for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.5]) by mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2935838000087 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:36:11 -0500 (EST) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d220.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:36:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:36:11 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388950571; bh=49DiwvJtXkR/F6j1EFYHpZZ1Ae/4H/MNqr0oqpaZ9xk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s6iBnaVPOc36Sy87GZJJH236nvTyMfK/AxWRzAkylAlJclohc341ENDQKZ/t4RMIL fzwV2zIzC/AEDwCkIimBGz7PX/NdPtplI1JVdAGIaVF7liPVIY8DHJSExZPsuwemWp G5E5MZxLafYIgIqMx6EEcuL2JqIPki4N5DZPHkB0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a857052c9b42b34d7 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No. Sorry. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Peter Arakelian Can TR6 lifters be pulled out without removing the head? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 15:07:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B568436F5 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:07:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy17.mail.unifiedlayer.com (alt-proxy17.mail.unifiedlayer.com [66.147.241.60]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5641243670 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4521 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2014 22:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 22:05:33 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=61342 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzvp6-00029j-Se; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:05:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:05:28 -0600 To: "Andrew Uprichard" , "'Listers'" From: Tony Drews References: <001301cf0a46$0e3c1200$2ab43600$@uprichard.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the bolts were properly tightened, and especially if loctite was used, they wouldn't have come loose even if the tabs weren't bent over. I suspect they got them semi-tight and then forgot to properly torque and secure them. Tony At 12:43 PM 1/5/2014, Andrew Uprichard wrote: >No way that I am aware of. I just pulled the head on my 250 to get lifters >out. > >The shop which built my TR250 (under 1000 miles ago) didn't bend the tabs >over the two bolts which hold the cam sprocket in place: one came loose and >then the other sheared off, causing the sprocket to come off, taking with it >the nub at the end of the cam. So a new cam is in order. A silly little >thing like a tab ends up costing a lot of money and time........ > >Andrew Uprichard > >-----Original Message----- >From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 11:55 AM >To: Listers >Subject: [TR] TR6 lifters > >Can TR6 lifters be pulled out without removing the head? > >Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 15:35:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF35443702 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:35:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2142843620 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.68.243]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ANW51n0075EvEw601NW6SX; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:30:10 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Tony Drews'" , "'Listers'" References: <001301cf0a46$0e3c1200$2ab43600$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:29:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8KYkGPGx5CnUddRJ6Uo8U6CB9jXwAAxekA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I guess we will never know - but I was ticked to see the flat tabs. So, grade 5 or grade 8 bolts when I put the NEW sprocket on the NEW cam to go with the NEW tabs, NEW timing chain and NEW lifters ? Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 5:05 PM To: Andrew Uprichard; 'Listers' Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters If the bolts were properly tightened, and especially if loctite was used, they wouldn't have come loose even if the tabs weren't bent over. I suspect they got them semi-tight and then forgot to properly torque and secure them. Tony At 12:43 PM 1/5/2014, Andrew Uprichard wrote: >No way that I am aware of. I just pulled the head on my 250 to get >lifters out. > >The shop which built my TR250 (under 1000 miles ago) didn't bend the >tabs over the two bolts which hold the cam sprocket in place: one came >loose and then the other sheared off, causing the sprocket to come off, >taking with it the nub at the end of the cam. So a new cam is in >order. A silly little thing like a tab ends up costing a lot of money and time........ > >Andrew Uprichard > >-----Original Message----- >From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 11:55 AM >To: Listers >Subject: [TR] TR6 lifters > >Can TR6 lifters be pulled out without removing the head? > >Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 17:59:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF42437BB for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:59:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94654436F3 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:59:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q58so15346998wes.16 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:57:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gyYcsdZFVwUpzF4a5XM9zHaLKwnMBse2MAJRWQtIHt8=; b=orEKxZsd4ak5yXesRqgZLG3+x8FgeJfWoewKWdsFs+YumXW+R6VkzUAloXafHymDET VVJbTdyCo9aXbyqHJ06qWHRQITSv9qzaX4ztd2Vsve5n6u0CyJ4CI25d9+uv686592q/ p2PucI3EkdI8nQpvESzNOikaaEbNDrplA+ebT3wLPdDmTFLIN6g26SNNFFqN+7HbmYH3 mkZ3e89HYBhADCHFL0duouiSVBXNqHkucSNnIEvsjsheekCx+w60SnRqNv1jPHVzBgAo P+KooeloD6ZtijqpWfL9j5rOisGxiTI5hykwwkgStb7TAuYIQGocnCwu/vuWeleiLN4j WtgQ== ce7mr10417978wib.14.1388969871040; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.89.132 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:57:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:57:50 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] 1967 Baja TR3A restoration underway Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This one looks like fun... http://www.race-dezert.com/home/baja-triumph-the-reclamation-of-desert-racings-most-unusual-machine-51595.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 18:10:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B1D43731 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:10:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB45D43724 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.207]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E0C12701B6D70 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mha003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mha003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.131]) by mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A288338000081 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:05:36 -0500 (EST) References: <1388899224.72260.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001cf0a20$3cee5fc0$b6cb1f40$@uprichard.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 74.209.19.35 by webmail-m298.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.49) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:05:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:05:36 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388970336; bh=PLup/2vt1gGFY0kRksLbe3gJC/Up9HfeMQ8k+YedSKQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HVvwttdJRfAnJ/ZGUhfPm978qnj4dErnQ32Ko8HMOc/DoCBMQGyp1bzJHTqnOQ3mj Q/t8CQUfwdL2+yyMFVzZt1KAIS7Rwmb/mdedOsXAGWUePWQB4wTEsk6QVRrtqtyKl5 biUgfI4WuKmNBy2sbmvoWwE6uBtiRvQKNGE7Pki4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcf52ca01603e80 Subject: Re: [TR] tr2 rear fenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The first 1300 or so TR2s had a different tail lamp assembly. The change to the L549 lamp necessitated a slight reshaping of that area of the rear fender. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Uprichard To: 'Dave Maas' ; triumphs Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 9:16 am Subject: Re: [TR] tr2 rear fenders I believe there was a difference in the very early cars (up to TS 1300 or so). Don't know what the difference is, though. After that they are the same through the TR3B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 18:42:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3787F43782 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:42:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8783B43605 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140106014044.TTQU10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:40:44 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ARgj1n00Q19GmcH05RgjJC; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:40:44 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=7N2hENjDmNMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=OW0Aeh6b7lYA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=XfX5FXB7O-KO-Ok5bG4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=yLdCH1EXzIkA:10 a=U9y7wcyLKuwA:10 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:40:47 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <001301cf0a46$0e3c1200$2ab43600$@uprichard.net> <006201cf0a65$b16f9bd0$144ed370$@uprichard.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/5/2014 5:29 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > So, grade 5 or grade 8 bolts when I put the NEW sprocket on the NEW cam to > go with the NEW tabs, NEW timing chain and NEW lifters ? I'd go with Grade 5. You don't want something that's too hard to shear off, or you might have worse problems next time. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 19:03:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBC543821 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 19:03:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D66437DC for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 19:02:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AQnQ1n0020vp7WLA5S0lkz; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:00:45 +0000 Received: from [10.228.189.106] ([174.251.144.192]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AS0a1n00D49H4BS8RS0dTn; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:00:42 +0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:00:40 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1388973645; bh=gO34sPgw+jnfZtUaEdjRUFJA0x5MPzkwUoEhQCm18nE=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m0QyxjPF3JPeQU9Yd1xxZ2SxOcQRGCHWISme4XTBbCxdTVhoJLt2t4AcHJD8b8RxA 5ZGe9/iHWgfhzlu0hlrtMzviPnobYbjTVJhR9ERPDcAw6iD2qqPOafK/IBZJGc4VIX TzC/UwjJokR1nUe7eMspDjglNPhAA05CTid6tSCJ0intvIbAtGZyxUaUUDQRWajFGk A98M2N9iKaKYVmTpGH4bDhshiItw2w/lGTz441AU35TxJMncx0S/T/vaPBgjrrt7iC mEdHr0Iz5eW5xpFMjrVMrYukZUviL82xXidyMV3YnzxEzYmHQGhjdGqe8rw0pUUROA mCTvUMMnDK/+Q== Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR6_lifters?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't go nuts. Use the tabs just as the factory did, bolts, etc. Those engines went a long way esp. considering they were built by lazy workers assembling them between strikes. I would point out to all of you who replace various tabs with loctite that you remove locktite with heat. Remind me to post some photos (if I can find them) of the extra giant hole in the side of the block of a EP TR4 where we stupidly used loctite red instead of tabs on the rod bolts. Oops. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jeff" To: Subject: [TR] TR6 lifters Date: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 7:40 pm On 1/5/2014 5:29 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > So, grade 5 or grade 8 bolts when I put the NEW sprocket on the NEW cam to > go with the NEW tabs, NEW timing chain and NEW lifters ? I'd go with Grade 5. You don't want something that's too hard to shear off, or you might have worse problems next time. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 5 20:35:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB33438BF for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:35:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BEEA43841 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:34:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2014 03:32:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2014 03:32:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2014 03:32:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1388979178; bh=ZoF9Myp6VtrGIG6f5pQj/NFo0Os4NP5VpfOI7NRgyiY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=thARYmZWDELj7GZWvzWc56nv3Ct8soVL1k/HbjOUHPb7CBT/8AcEJTEH9/ghOfhmVAXB7H6APgnFhzRlCwtVahJNzavpl4EZhl1wjbD6iV0bMxiWPCKc6p/PAT3MTiaopmg7t2DRoBVvMQJOqT6nYRLYxU5jfMafvx6mMwRy4Dk= rPsh8jNR01snDQQFwHTZdXNOKivsPfWpHWCSSZgdj140Ypx8_Xt.CrAju9Qi OTQrg.VsNYsmi2K5ltKd6A8FzEW0o6WUGMpF2VCdCUrDiQRZekOAVntR__CY drhuOIr6AcJhT8yOBQNekogWNC8Zg9962a8.mBe9dPEqTY42RxaZpzb_eGww RpNC4Qv0Vh.Mfh8bSlnwqRwxgAGsVVzJ11K2am4MgPLZCFMxfbj5JaHoVk6y E8pqH077ut9xm2cc_LfaC_4xVR_t3jaIOoWNxAZe5anYrKp2vOGDXmPiaH6K n.0uNL_HrExt73.8m6Klhyr6lFgQ7Y0ZHYmPDcbIpH0h3SUdM47FVyBRP2vT crlU3qeOkZ05unN5VQm2YjNktxjetl_f6B12hGjF5CEkCAHma6nbKqpSMA8O Ug4jZNB33r8ZO1evw8tytlu148BVFD0zq1CXfhq8xoei4Rp8_F5aHDJ6UKEK ITpUMfgertp86wPYkeExRZ9KqpbVp0B3ySS1UXbhBm9AhFlR0_vJN7OVeKpx lSmK6S2b9gOzD_hzyBEIePA3Zzkcnbws48245vvZMczQ48m3ph7IYQeHI6vG dAr7avSAnquZgXjpMeDIjmQMnp4hxk4_T3qiP0yANPdIj570ycjn.CbszR07 j5uvjRtc_KmNy2ofiH2KkFgt815jqkhv00DR20zQJSLg8VpOh9L98pPL4c26 WoOKBCbyq4AJE9VNSl4YzJpr7vqNzClOKLcGFHjwsZzvuuLQ- [98.139.221.42]) by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jan 2014 19:32:58 -0800 PST References: From: Wbeech Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:32:52 -0600 To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 1967 Baja TR3A restoration underway Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Great history lesson on the impracticality of a TR3. Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: This one looks like fun... http://www.race-dezert.com/home/baja-triumph-the-reclamation-of-desert-racing s-most-unusual-machine-51595.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 06:16:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF3E43D11 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 06:16:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DC143917 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 06:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.83]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 03C177019F36F for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moa002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.5]) by mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 666BD38000085 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:13:47 -0500 (EST) References: To: Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m274.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.239) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 08:13:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:13:47 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1389014027; bh=ZzdjpUpPz+G8uYP9GibvHLTN2sjOxTbstvVl9m2VQKU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EMzISN3FRF2YQHZqJpwfcPEEZuTi9muF1x/BSSfWijdPB24kQ2AkIyUIuWTYiVOvH csn04O0xUWBNFvE5QHhSAESJQ+a0pC42w6AasDuGR5JuhFKKmWT8XL7zbl/hUw6GwK n3aQBSVnmwjZ+UfyPX8vOfefD4u1Xx9D3oc1IVHg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af95352caac0b21d6 Subject: Re: [TR] 1967 Baja TR3A restoration underway Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like something the lads from Top Gear would do - except they have a much bigger budget. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock This one looks like fun... http://www.race-dezert.com/home/baja-triumph-the-reclamation-of-desert-racing s-most-unusual-machine-51595.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 17:57:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC0942F71 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:57:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1904742F3B for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.116] by nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.170] by tm107.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.224] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 00:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 3802 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2014 00:52:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389055944; bh=ymuMJUQlY0h7EhZtlFfnIxxzHxCF83+EW7H7iteyQ+8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZSciq6MJrfKdtNjz8822p9aKhcUTpnUVL96JJAqFPT5WsP50ytL5r4sHSBPmACnugGwQKT+vnwR291ZiUMm4W2sPnTh2d3FG4QqXr5yPJSDSn/4pFyUm2TCDw/1RETZ2ClBgrVHz8HQR4pcAs+WcnPZs2kw48tho2Cn+0EnsH0M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P0Q18JuvypuRcT/wKNJp58cA8EjgdD+k73EGHzuh00SCHN/G5l3yHHsQrSERKV4lukADfazZxwYCEk/mj3NAEhr2o1oXa5E7aYtwea10xzvH0a6xhZON0SJmGnZXYS4y1Yhqu/CmBbiKb03o+qWPjO05zm6Ps4ri1hq5k0ruF2E=; jHvKztJrmg5OuRmnt4BmCzOJidWD.DoFai2tfRBKdzfW2wl6e1jW9MFnMBR_ 0OGvUAu.x59_cVM20S2p6BLvt76dWWgLnuvY4g5roirVNkX3GhWOu5xZBC72 OxBDzSXPN8ZCUtpZ4bcGtgZRT0a14KkZ0jJggegG1UhBhLJKqbActtCro3pF U.vlUnmzyBuQImGNnJpn8iiuP2mjJ5Guz5VFJ77SRtI789ZZ58FenVeEf5j. yB2PCfX4Fw6WWrS98uNDlZT4DuYyNDwg_aPmcSd2s_Oar1p6H0D_MqkJ7IEW u_ASo7cUOEpCvm3CHggHmQtkP9CsE.rUxZ2q1mfo.iSxpZVFDxgSQVLvlR4M 5oXcTyaFZcbbymfJU_rh.TrESDz4ifAM93_MAN70NK_Et0rghDPJMlDklMJA LLf7.ySdocpuco8NVXwlYkEqpPXn.mJ5ZBlYYqCIu9WTH0wofEKZa4xZbmPk NXcnue_SoRbRUwCt5gGeFSSOgqDUI.PdcrIieS8XmQI5Hokl9mqXUSXfESCU EBsBUPCqH0ui9_9Ji0XdNNDrKpsDS6us- Received: from [108.40.108.14] by web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:52:24 PST CkhpIEZvbGtzLArCoApJIGFtIMKgdGhpbmtpbmcgYWJvdXQgcmVwbGFjaW5nIHRoZSBpbnRlcmlvciBpbiBteSA3NCBUUjYuIEkgd2FudCB0byBnbyB3aXRoIGEgbGlnaHRlciB0YW4gdGhlbiB3aGF0IGNhbWUgb3JpZ2luYWxseSBidXQgd2FudCB0byBzdGF5IHdpdGggdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsICJkaWFtb25kIiBwYXR0ZXJuIGZvciB0aGUgc2VhdHMuIFRoZSBSb2Fkc3RlciBGYWN0b3J5IHRvbGQgbWUgdGhleSBoYXZlIG5vdGhpbmcsIEkgZGlkIGdldCBhIHByaWNlIGZyb20gTW9zcywgYnV0IHdhbnRlZCB0byABMAEBAQE- References: <20140106020331.947684382D@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 16:52:24 -0800 (PST) From: robert rudolphi To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [TR] TR6 Interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Folks, I am thinking about replacing the interior in my 74 TR6. I want to go with a lighter tan then what came originally but want to stay with the original "diamond" pattern for the seats. The Roadster Factory told me they have nothing, I did get a price from Moss, but wanted to check with the list to see if anyone had any other recommendations. I plan on replacing the complete interior, carpet, panels and seats. Thanks in advance for any advice. Robert ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 18:51:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AB542EF5 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:51:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1AA42EF5 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:48:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id wp18so19264331obc.2 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:46:19 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=9NdrXAhwypFj64NnjsBV0izhrPQ8KQcx8CoyhMwuQbE=; b=YraEQN2Ra4CnibEagVL2VnleQ4YemyR9cMuZxQHa1d+fdy8Vc6T1EHl4b8NikoNthU aznroKR/D3EN014sbIB04ImO+elBcELgfz5xJ1hLvG+D/4DJRvDwMyCyhVcNaFBp+T1M BpZZPgMYRT6VpMBqPohg3ocNgn5UcumbPfitWuIxCRxIl4R1B90Zk0G5y0zB42l/pDph e3QvYmBfBvqb8ZOI8E+Ym8F4nVCUdZmHZywoe5skGY4IDFeNQQFmH+HtLz3ZZg8ftLQa CcO94FqcnfnPy7iDuBmzAw7QlwxeMg8ZnhxV19OzzHqOx7siefNRq4PBPZvRcYE7mKuk pavQ== j11mr3218848oes.61.1389059178958; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm87599940obi.14.2014.01.06.17.46.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:46:17 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8LSkDxpCaBLmWdSFO1t4Y4PVYXrA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: On to the next project. Reinstalling the steering rack in my 62 TR4 and am curious on the correct fitment to center the rack. I read the manual and have the dimples on the rack where the aluminum brackets attach and are clamped to the frame bracket with the u bolts. I centered the pinion after taking measurements of the full movement of the steering. With the pinion centered, I placed the new tie rod ends into their happy homes and did not tighten. What I noticed is that the steering is off as the wheels are pointed to the left as doing a slight left turn. The new tie rod ends are both screwed on all the way so there is no room to turn it in to bring the driver's side wheel straight. Current angle has car turning to left slightly. The passenger side tie rod could be unscrewed out to bring wheel straight ahead. But that doesn't help me on the driver's side. It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side about an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side However, on my rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the passenger side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting plate that attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the following link: http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg. html What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate attached to the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from my 62 car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion shaft. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. The fun of rebuilding a car without a mechanic nearby. The good news is I am learning a lot! Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL (soon to be under a hard freeze tonight) 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 19:34:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB1242F44 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:34:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38BF42F42 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:33:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140107023132.EUYW6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:31:32 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id AqXX1n00V19GmcH05qXYal; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:31:32 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=7N2hENjDmNMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=QgGFMvwUABPScxPC8H4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=P_iEHVmBDtIyrzCq:21 a=gfXBlW7RssrljAqa:21 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:31:36 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/6/2014 8:46 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side I don't know much about the TR4, but: Are the clamps supposed to be between the steering shaft box and the metal plate? In other words, shouldn't it slide to the right about two inches? Looks to me, judging by the bellows, that this is the case. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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[174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id si9sm102869696oeb.8.2014.01.06.18.35.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:35:36 -0800 (PST) References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> <52CB6708.4060805@charter.net> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:35:35 -0500 To: Jeff Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's what I was thinking, but the dimples on the rack are lined up with where the mounts are now located. This is how it was installed when I took it apart, but don't know if that was correct. The manual say line up the mounts with the dimples. I am willing to try anything. Jim Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Jeff wrote: > On 1/6/2014 8:46 PM, James Henningsen wrote: >> >> It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side about >> an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side > > I don't know much about the TR4, but: Are the clamps supposed to be between the steering shaft box and the metal plate? In other words, shouldn't it slide to the right about two inches? Looks to me, judging by the bellows, that this is the case. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 19:44:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473E742F7A for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:44:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE2042F33 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140107023716.EWJS6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:37:16 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([97.80.132.53]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id AqdG1n00419GmcH05qdGXC; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:37:16 -0500 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:17 a=7N2hENjDmNMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=UTaU-Ue7AAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=XfX5FXB7O-KO-Ok5bG4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=jlnqIHWHw3gA:10 a=vcNaM1kF6KAfs4bvQwythA==:117 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:37:20 -0500 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/6/2014 8:46 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side For instance, this image http://www.gassmanautomotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PIC_0089.jpg More useful images at http://www.gassmanautomotive.com/restorations/1965-triumph-tr4/ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 20:02:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9795842F8E for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:02:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5BB42F21 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:02:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id x11so9291818vbb.22 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ofa5sfZtKtOOGVKAqAqixgIZrAFDiRBfhzD+RccTRwo=; b=PArLNZGCAQHN70ShLmBb235BHPOJ5OqSR6cql6hCn3b7J8GYLYRJNF/3L9ozFxpmvh Xw2hqfINtFyGVrqchBoGzyftGnp4r2ZDIpgwqqdARQ/ZRjpEiDdSfoOndpFl0dfj/6L4 nclwRoP9Q3XZQxEN/gdGGcKK+6gXWd0B1lr1P4vmPRd8Vn7f+Db3hB1myiTJ21AbX9z2 5O7XINj/Y9qAWC2Nuj8v5Wg9CpxQ2yb9sZBr8XIB8ISAEgW8Lya1itqjdqOdYf2gVr3z zVKGy2t9riN83qSIYGrSzTfRLisoReoF1h+H/0WIbOz8cGgJ3oyqtmx/T33ZjTb24/Wm dtYg== ev12mr59035819vdd.17.1389063628965; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.117.204 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:00:28 -0800 (PST) References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:00:28 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm - that doesn't look right, or at least doesn't look like mine. I have a 64 if that matters. Passenger side: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-PS_zpsee98ef1d.jpg Driver side: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-DS_zps7309f23d.jpg Geo On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > List: > > On to the next project. Reinstalling the steering rack in my 62 TR4 and am > curious on the correct fitment to center the rack. I read the manual and > have the dimples on the rack where the aluminum brackets attach and are > clamped to the frame bracket with the u bolts. I centered the pinion after > taking measurements of the full movement of the steering. With the pinion > centered, I placed the new tie rod ends into their happy homes and did not > tighten. What I noticed is that the steering is off as the wheels are > pointed to the left as doing a slight left turn. The new tie rod ends are > both screwed on all the way so there is no room to turn it in to bring the > driver's side wheel straight. Current angle has car turning to left > slightly. The passenger side tie rod could be unscrewed out to bring wheel > straight ahead. But that doesn't help me on the driver's side. > > > > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side However, on my > rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the passenger > side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting plate > that > attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the following > link: > > > > > http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg. > html > > > > What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate attached to > the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from my 62 > car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion shaft. > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks in advance. The fun of rebuilding a car without a mechanic nearby. > The good news is I am learning a lot! > > > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL (soon to be under a hard freeze tonight) > > 62 TR4 CT5212LO > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 20:15:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFCD42F34 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:15:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1503342F21 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:07:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id i7so1687802oag.20 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:05:45 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=um9N25aagf8jks0EiUSgCf7pTIB8PLGqEaWMisNh7po=; b=TWKxJ1KZ0LKGqWL6jV86A3iTp8Irv9utfDwB70TGKkZYrlzWVePmFOUgrT8dpWb4qa S/LVaTeUaaaiA9hrJ/7RfkueOyPe/t1RY4ylIMooKXigO/2ySjqI2ggNqmgp9SYjn8mB cB4HrQVL/Z4zdlKz1V7RmfnkVHCo4lzweYQ2sa+xl1i0Kk5QZzYnJWhYcpV7UiPN+Xjn RP7Yonif5gxlvdav6EInRwtBn6KLrD4Ud94vN9wIOUgOnvF4cETk1NJ48fvHDh9AyIlX ozwAGrMhmyWukSswmCVM/D3wsmUjdUgtRBVmeqtwZbOWZhDMqg/FBzyYvaM+rtSbUX5N 247A== eh5mr3852678oeb.53.1389063945827; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.15] (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm87885452obi.14.2014.01.06.19.05.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:05:44 -0800 (PST) References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 22:05:44 -0500 To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The mounts look different on yours. Not sure if it matters, but mine is a early 62 and the mounts match the factory parts book and my 62 early parts car. Thanks for sharing. Are those mounts similar to a TR6? Jim Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Hmmm - that doesn't look right, or at least doesn't look like mine. I have a 64 if that matters. > > Passenger side: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-PS_zpsee98ef1d. jpg > > Driver side: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-DS_zps7309f23d. jpg > > Geo > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, James Henningsen wrote: >> List: >> >> On to the next project. Reinstalling the steering rack in my 62 TR4 and am >> curious on the correct fitment to center the rack. I read the manual and >> have the dimples on the rack where the aluminum brackets attach and are >> clamped to the frame bracket with the u bolts. I centered the pinion after >> taking measurements of the full movement of the steering. With the pinion >> centered, I placed the new tie rod ends into their happy homes and did not >> tighten. What I noticed is that the steering is off as the wheels are >> pointed to the left as doing a slight left turn. The new tie rod ends are >> both screwed on all the way so there is no room to turn it in to bring the >> driver's side wheel straight. Current angle has car turning to left >> slightly. The passenger side tie rod could be unscrewed out to bring wheel >> straight ahead. But that doesn't help me on the driver's side. >> >> >> >> It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side about >> an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side However, on my >> rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the passenger >> side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting plate that >> attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the following >> link: >> >> >> >> http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg. >> html >> >> >> >> What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate attached to >> the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from my 62 >> car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion shaft. >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. The fun of rebuilding a car without a mechanic nearby. >> The good news is I am learning a lot! >> >> >> >> Jim Henningsen >> >> Ocala, FL (soon to be under a hard freeze tonight) >> >> 62 TR4 CT5212LO >> >> 75 TR6 >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 20:31:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFCC42F34 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:31:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.176.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6421142F21 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 03:28:25 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.214] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 03:28:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2014 03:28:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389065305; bh=zrgSj5QPg/reCPkEhN8/+8LJex5eqh+zlwTrIO/UM5o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=GGR/wOo6UfCIZivpYqmjMaOzlDsHFDBzSwt93Va+W/K+KzNXTU2cccYARKyLaAjxWTvUy1Upu2Wc3a14MUjME54EMMdGKdc5Wq+Yx/aV9uiH3qgnqdwJHIw0lsFHyaYgh0ZwVlO0v3d0DxJI4LJo4Fgr1ZJ9XzUs5o6jxr+Aixc= XjKudBTMAydldT7N19DDTThbNQCQluSxYfaLDM3aYM3Wsj_Dcw7ZP.cDSJxH Rd6.jdEEuE42lWf5xYqu310d3.teXKQaTztgFgjkaLXVPZEgeSXZ5DfManc8 VcXmtCqWRrJlqnG1ArmVSCT2O8Sv4WfcRUxWvAaw4reYrzBPg8_6Ad7TY59z motNd.SPKrRF5Bo1crXVTAgvmyDu6PkIk_SrFM_1qxyQ4EhGRuAe4WMGsskS ctToBHfoldlI8wn6lyZL_rVMftaDVibw4gZ0NHQ2AfOuINPRLz4y7AIN9E_3 pcuzM5ExfECFNGeaC04KUevTiEfbRrsWfgf8_yS3aU4aiQeF5cyAHv_peH9x IeYkhAyxlZyWrcyjFNdqdsMciE9Ea20KA.hNLF3n5zeLiHUSU22K0XhDCz.f p6J_ZOWLAMYqukmkpmFRURFpPNfiG_ZQ_tXm8Q8R8mc7R_W2GqCJFmncawX0 HhwZENszxYrgTqF2lGVJ.7qlpiIvX3zJdrUk1MVX3kZuz1Z8OfB46VbvPHuh fE2RTyLe6aDwwUXo- xymcookie [66.196.81.168]) by smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jan 2014 03:28:25 +0000 UTC From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:28:26 -0600 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4A crankshaft extension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, Am considering removing the stock fan and going with an electric fan on my 4A. There is a "Fan Eliminator" kit available that bolts on in front of the pulley, thus eliminating the fan and the extension. My question concerns what I have read on "harmonic damping". My TR restoration book says that if the fan is removed the crankshaft extension needs to be retained because it provides harmonic damping for the crankshaft. I don't get it. In my pedestrian mind, seems like less mass in front of the pulley is better. Can anyone shed a little light? Thanks. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 6 21:02:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6128742F07 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:02:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476334295A for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:55:11 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=0QKRVmLonL4A:10 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=dEpjAPV5uoFis4cdGBMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:62717] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02.mail.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id CD/C4-21884-62A7BC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 03:53:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 3:53:10 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A crankshaft extension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- john-marie@sbcglobal.net wrote: > In my > pedestrian mind, seems like less mass in front of the pulley is better. As I understand it, the issue is that the crankshaft has a resonant frequency (actually several of them), much like a bell does. At just the right rpm, the pulses from the cylinder firings match the resonant frequency and cause the crankshaft to "ring" and twist/flex farther than it would normally. Keep that up for long enough, and the metal fatigues and breaks. The damper works much like holding your hand on a bell, and eliminates the ringing. If someone had been touching the Liberty bell, it might not have broken That said, I've covered over 200,000 miles without a fan or damper; and never broken a crankshaft. I have seen broken crankshafts, but always in racing motors that made considerably more than the stock 100 bhp and turned more than 5000 rpm. Perhaps it's more of an additive problem. Or maybe I've just never run for long enough at a "problem" rpm. I've heard it said that the first problem is around 5200 rpm, and I don't drive up there very much :) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 05:33:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD8942F73 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 05:33:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9280942F07 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 05:32:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:37390] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 63/C0-14229-163FBC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:30:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:30:25 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: robert rudolphi , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <20140106020331.947684382D@autox.team.net> <1389055944.60556.YahooMailNeo@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, I used John Skinner (UK) for my 72 seats. They have the original diamond pattern at least for my 72. Their website is: http://www.john-skinner.co.uk/ It was awhile ago, but I believe I got them on sale. Duty and shipping took care of my savings, but I am very happy with the end product. I believe you can get the whole interior as original. A quick look at their web page says they supply it all including carpets. Also, there might be some lead time. Since I was at least 2 years away from performing the interior work on my 72 restoration, that was not a problem for me. Bob On 01/06/2014 07:52 PM, robert rudolphi wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am thinking about replacing the interior in my 74 TR6. I want > to go with a lighter tan then what came originally but want to stay with the > original "diamond" pattern for the seats. The Roadster Factory told me they > have nothing, I did get a price from Moss, but wanted to check with the list > to see if anyone had any other recommendations. I plan on replacing the > complete interior, carpet, panels and seats. > > Thanks in advance for any > advice. > > Robert ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 07:22:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107B542F51 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 07:22:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7724742F07 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 07:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.70.241]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id B2HW1n00R5CLWg6012HYZm; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:17:33 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , References: <090F8492-F60B-457D-9A72-356ADE9CF2C5@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 09:17:22 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIT1zqSxtma8ECZkEexEvS3WEzCBJnvt5pw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A crankshaft extension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I put rack and pinion steering on my TR3s it requires removing the extension and installing an electric fan. Never had a problem. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john-marie@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4A crankshaft extension Hello List, Am considering removing the stock fan and going with an electric fan on my 4A. There is a "Fan Eliminator" kit available that bolts on in front of the pulley, thus eliminating the fan and the extension. My question concerns what I have read on "harmonic damping". My TR restoration book says that if the fan is removed the crankshaft extension needs to be retained because it provides harmonic damping for the crankshaft. I don't get it. In my pedestrian mind, seems like less mass in front of the pulley is better. Can anyone shed a little light? Thanks. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 07:58:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1786742F7A for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 07:58:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cfdynamics.com (cfdme02.cfdynamics.com [69.56.157.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF4F42F51 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 07:57:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from samsung2.seven.com ([208.87.205.184]) by cfdme02.cfdynamics.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:55:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: "lisa@josephvincelli.com" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 08:25:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA9B42FA0 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:25:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B3242F51 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:17:31 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=iEg6luGpxUsqiEkgNh8A:9 a=t_uO73TIqIxUuc0Q:21 a=FATiosl0Vp-d3wKi:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=vrMw6r7OOUUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50256] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 1E/40-08168-F0A1CC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:15:28 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "James Henningsen" , References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:15:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi James, I recently went though this on my TR4A and I ended up having to shift the rack all the way to the left (driver side). The reason being that the lower sterring coupler was rubbing against the metal down tube in the cooling system. You might want to check that on yours too. I had mine all together when I noticed the radiator hose was moving when I turned the steering wheel. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Henningsen" To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:46 PM Subject: [TR] Steering Rack > List: > > On to the next project. Reinstalling the steering rack in my 62 TR4 and am > curious on the correct fitment to center the rack. I read the manual and > have the dimples on the rack where the aluminum brackets attach and are > clamped to the frame bracket with the u bolts. I centered the pinion > after > taking measurements of the full movement of the steering. With the pinion > centered, I placed the new tie rod ends into their happy homes and did not > tighten. What I noticed is that the steering is off as the wheels are > pointed to the left as doing a slight left turn. The new tie rod ends are > both screwed on all the way so there is no room to turn it in to bring the > driver's side wheel straight. Current angle has car turning to left > slightly. The passenger side tie rod could be unscrewed out to bring > wheel > straight ahead. But that doesn't help me on the driver's side. > > > > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side > about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side However, on > my > rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the passenger > side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting plate > that > attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the following > link: > > > > http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg. > html > > > > What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate attached > to > the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from my 62 > car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion > shaft. > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks in advance. The fun of rebuilding a car without a mechanic nearby. > The good news is I am learning a lot! > > > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL (soon to be under a hard freeze tonight) > > 62 TR4 CT5212LO > > 75 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 08:25:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2102C42FA7 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:25:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C77642F51 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:20:21 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:117 a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=S_lKYYe7efp7xiXdVb8A:9 a=YMaKe_H1gzNnBO_2:21 a=KdSVKcrAfxWvC2kk:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=vrMw6r7OOUUA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.180.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.180.171] ([64.121.180.171:49428] helo=[192.168.1.116]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 22/83-16636-ABA1CC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:18:18 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:18:17 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm pretty sure that is a 4A/6 rack in TR4 mounts. The TR4 rack has dowel pins which locate the rack in the aluminum mounts. The later racks mount in rubber which but up against the large round flanges. Check a parts book to see the difference. > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger > side about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side > However, on my > rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the > passenger > side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting > plate that > attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the > following > link: > http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg > . > html > > What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate > attached to > the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from > my 62 > car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion > shaft. > Any ideas? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 08:26:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0340F42FD1 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:26:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F1042F51 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:22:40 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=S_lKYYe7efp7xiXdVb8A:9 a=dCXdK8ouwBulYT3n:21 a=lgjl-MlAvMODvhjl:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=vrMw6r7OOUUA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.180.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.180.171] ([64.121.180.171:49432] helo=[192.168.1.116]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id F4/7F-31190-54B1CC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:20:37 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:20:36 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I also should add that it is probably not safe. Without the dowel pins the u-bolts will probably not prevent the rack from slipping side to side. I'm pretty sure that is a 4A/6 rack in TR4 mounts. The TR4 rack has dowel pins which locate the rack in the aluminum mounts. The later racks mount in rubber which but up against the large round flanges. Check a parts book to see the difference. > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger > side about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side > However, on my > rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the > passenger > side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting > plate that > attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the > following > link: > http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg > . > html > > What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate > attached to > the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from > my 62 > car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion > shaft. > Any ideas? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 11:35:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A83042FC3 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 11:35:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4004B42F7A for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 11:35:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so605355oag.39 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:33:19 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=efCh+55n7zrFY4xWBxQDx7OKAOa2QiPA/93eBfrbw8A=; b=SZzA/mnZ8B/anzdTZik4mo8sE9hiKaozhg0dAzzScplC5TIhFgx06SVpSlXVmMs0T6 XQY7DbGKKtWcPrvXJGcAmeuvw+o1PyOWwHGwUmT4lc7d+a++nLwxdDpTl3PG67l3kpMe 9Olu67CKCyEmyVIJ31TiiFd6TJbLMjOX5K42fubFJHDY/tZwR0rPdrj6T926ah2ykj7J 9vVltEIzW0KtwE22lxcSEm4jupnx4ZYE6ibETG2YWz3uD05ObIDJrcy3h51hvDPZZ1vd b2mrSjqf70QRWQ55/noCEFkrHpJrmx849/Loy0yO7FlQMExcGJOO156LL1SDI4MjQinY ZkXw== f7mr76561857obm.3.1389119598848; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id si9sm106232534oeb.8.2014.01.07.10.33.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Allen Hess'" , References: <4F5DD36C-82DB-4EFD-A96A-BBE35C458B17@mgcarclub.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:33:20 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJeMfKlZpKFsItg6a0qJ5Gda7pgcAEUDfQymVKoQnA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That could be. My car is an early 4 (CT5212LO) and I have an early 62 parts car (CT6442L) with the same mounting, but the steering rack does not have the attached flange. I don't know much of the history of this car so someone could have swapped out the racks. The curious part is that there is a "62" stamp on the aluminum housing near the pinion shaft. I thought that might be a date code, but maybe not. Does anyone know the evolution of these racks and how to id which car they were for? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:18 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack I'm pretty sure that is a 4A/6 rack in TR4 mounts. The TR4 rack has dowel pins which locate the rack in the aluminum mounts. The later racks mount in rubber which but up against the large round flanges. Check a parts book to see the difference. > It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side > about > an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side > However, on my > rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the > passenger side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the > mounting plate that attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a > photo at the following > link: > http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb > 5.jpg > . > html > > What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate > attached to the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project > car is from my 62 car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing > near the pinion shaft. > Any ideas? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 12:53:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B2942F9A for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:53:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0E4400A5 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:36:33 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:117 a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=baBNsk4vuOnBbqyYYgUA:9 a=ocsD1D2i27q3UddK:21 a=NLGDTzeBYUzPz87W:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RoDsHgzevegA:10 a=Oa2cV5cLPtdxUrr6O-0A:9 a=O7OV19VfCXnh9W6w:21 a=UBOSVyAOoREP_b2I:21 a=z2v31jsb45FlFp5h:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.180.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.180.171] ([64.121.180.171:50749] helo=[192.168.1.116]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 4B/C7-09460-CB65CC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:34:21 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: "James Henningsen" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:34:20 -0500 References: <4F5DD36C-82DB-4EFD-A96A-BBE35C458B17@mgcarclub.com> <01a701cf0bd6$f18de970$d4a9bc50$@gmail.com> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Moss catalog shows the aluminum "hard" mount for TR4 up to CT20063 and the rubber mount TR4 and 4A from CT20064. They also list two different rack assemblies (not available) for the same numbers as the mounts. There is apparently a replacement rack for the later one only. George Hahn's photo is the later rack and mount. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-DS_zps7309f23d.jpg Note the driver's side photo the flange on the pinion body is flat on the bottom and the later rack sits on horizontal mounts on the frame whereas the early rack is bolted to vertical mounts on the frame. The aluminum flange in your photo appears to be round, not flat on the bottom so I might wonder if it is neither the early or late rack. You also mentioned that the tie rod ends are screwed all the way on to the tie rods--that's not right. Should be maybe an inch of threads showing on each side. I have a '63 CT13678 On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:33 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > That could be. My car is an early 4 (CT5212LO) and I have an early > 62 parts > car (CT6442L) with the same mounting, but the steering rack does not > have > the attached flange. I don't know much of the history of this car so > someone > could have swapped out the racks. The curious part is that there is > a "62" > stamp on the aluminum housing near the pinion shaft. I thought that > might > be a date code, but maybe not. Does anyone know the evolution of > these racks > and how to id which car they were for? > Thanks, > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:18 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack > > I'm pretty sure that is a 4A/6 rack in TR4 mounts. The TR4 rack has > dowel > pins which locate the rack in the aluminum mounts. The later racks > mount in > rubber which but up against the large round flanges. > Check a parts book to see the difference. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 7 13:36:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5A342FA0 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:36:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD3D42EFC for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id n7so609000qcx.5 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:21:12 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=3G126vMCVL4Ih52Nzmwe7FPAGfj6TH7DWdVBAtSkYu4=; b=gHiPZrjntW03Yxkm+z55aZqmbnO77u92FnpE4F7s7CfvwJc2vB16su7QYS5pBFMhXf q3U6TH8nCEhVRj7ycnQ4RwjUgB4yJBR2KiQPh0Y+6hfeoZDloMje3vCDFdY9ISlWeLQg QMOSAwqHvE2cAkVjSCnAxmStaFQ9gg8GogK97V0SCVHJ1bdZ8ZlyvFV/enXQw1RDDUd/ MJUInt+Q9bs2/+ci9+xDFRHJdaS47GdnqtcQpD2e5bsfPIVGYH7Ml2H0pby43yZ1Dmox d6SQX2RvB7sX48WfaatIU3p8mHv9xv/gdQQUFs/P+pvqx8RbVp09mwGTkQLA05tz4Voz gd3w== e11mr161424616qaw.32.1389126072307; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.227.90.84] (81.sub-174-224-135.myvzw.com. [174.224.135.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f19sm106564582qaq.12.2014.01.07.12.21.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:21:10 -0800 (PST) References: <4F5DD36C-82DB-4EFD-A96A-BBE35C458B17@mgcarclub.com> <01a701cf0bd6$f18de970$d4a9bc50$@gmail.com> <8588689B-169F-42F5-9327-CEA2A971A5C5@mgcarclub.com> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 15:21:07 -0500 To: Allen Hess Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. I I heard from one of our experts, Dave at TRF, and he stated at the early 4s have a rack without a steel flange. The later 4a-6 have the flange for mounting. So it looks like someone put a 4a rack in the car sometime in the past. The good news is that I have a early straight 4 rack on my parts car. Time to put the gloves on and get out the wd40 anD wrenches. Cheers, Jim Henningsen Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Allen Hess wrote: > The Moss catalog shows the aluminum "hard" mount for TR4 up to CT20063 and the rubber mount TR4 and 4A from CT20064. They also list two different rack assemblies (not available) for the same numbers as the mounts. There is apparently a replacement rack for the later one only. George Hahn's photo is the later rack and mount. > > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-DS_zps7309f23d. jpg > > Note the driver's side photo the flange on the pinion body is flat on the bottom and the later rack sits on horizontal mounts on the frame whereas the early rack is bolted to vertical mounts on the frame. The aluminum flange in your photo appears to be round, not flat on the bottom so I might wonder if it is neither the early or late rack. You also mentioned that the tie rod ends are screwed all the way on to the tie rods--that's not right. Should be maybe an inch of threads showing on each side. > > I have a '63 CT13678 > > On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:33 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > >> That could be. My car is an early 4 (CT5212LO) and I have an early 62 parts >> car (CT6442L) with the same mounting, but the steering rack does not have >> the attached flange. I don't know much of the history of this car so someone >> could have swapped out the racks. The curious part is that there is a "62" >> stamp on the aluminum housing near the pinion shaft. I thought that might >> be a date code, but maybe not. Does anyone know the evolution of these racks >> and how to id which car they were for? >> Thanks, >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess >> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:18 AM >> To: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] Steering rack >> >> I'm pretty sure that is a 4A/6 rack in TR4 mounts. The TR4 rack has dowel >> pins which locate the rack in the aluminum mounts. The later racks mount in >> rubber which but up against the large round flanges. >> Check a parts book to see the difference. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 06:40:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6262442F01 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 06:40:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0608E42901 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 06:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2014 13:37:53 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.140] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2014 13:37:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2014 13:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 5291 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2014 13:37:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389188273; bh=yYm7znVtPSgAeeZ7QmH4jPhtoK5vw/h8TGfmrrjDmHg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IHeZ/CwSHsnq+o5Eus2oadkcF2J/33+M1IU2IpzzzPGftqwlVjqW5cjQe/xejRbbNwSC4weTGqymPb46Gj1+CeE+3QZx+O4D9se5itsdyzGtUlm43COD7EL+/vy7WEAAdnE+BAK8vnDSWdk5muvhOIrTKYCLKTlxVBRHvm8kJmY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oN6zqLpGlgUxFu30hm4UQjcL6fPEqT9GAgsAc1tv4FSX+L5eAv+Fe95elSsA0PUmRxYAOAsfAFGd/seDL7DQzPalig3kL1CSAucH7DTGH8G6/lkJWrNPuRvCeW1W40u95aIfrbLaIMq1lr4bs8oIDcinqOakVx8KMMTFgLRL+sE=; ehoid_SDkMVn56T74zAHU4WYRxmMnZn57nIQHbdZQicszlDnW1r9CIasOK7i Qh1P8Gf2wcIjv7qEmZvhtDwEGBvGSEn80.c1LGzShSxUn1QUBYd4Lko_u7ie _4fz6sJf6vcwdLmHd0se0.wi.BS3ZzsG75xZSsWOasmX62z4DFS27l2wFn9J PCTCh0.6VmDSei4bw.llXhy3VKotWhFnV4pt7r7GvBOAFJWoIwui4LytjzoD fagNhGXW9DYPN9P.IIwCODf3LUvPFxchquX480kJL9Nw876EIQg3Kqv8XkTO zkek0kLEn_NU1OsxX4emE_8Ma1Po_2_1E46WsK7D9Aij9dU1V2z1DoAJCKku bodj7xXmYvjVPbAR7Ni.8TVyNag4xdYs_ZXfhP3PSSyhip6az3y.MjOB9pfY 5Ct5NvIaVfBV0TUlCsh9Fa87erIVjm1mszYbk36WtVCIrT8IGHkuHwB4G75P fpknhRvIy1s0RDqDkkbfxNCFURzacw9T6pCPtBnHMM9XFkGtgoGxXPATQoqv NC8bhBNMZvtAi.kAKt7f0t_NDdA_g4w-- Received: from [108.199.50.66] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 05:37:52 PST wqAgwqAgwqBMb29rcyBsaWtlIGEgc2NhbW1lciBpcyBvdXQgdXNpbmcgSm9uTWFjJ3MgbmFtZS9lbWFpbCB0byB0cnkgdG8gc2NhbSBtb25leToKCkZyb206wqBKb2huIE1hY2FydG5leSA8Zmx5d2hlZWxjb3ZlbnRyeTFAeWFob28uY28udWs.ClRvOsKgClNlbnQ6wqBXZWRuZXNkYXksIEphbnVhcnkgOCwgMjAxNCAxMjo1NiBBTQpTdWJqZWN0OsKgU2FkIE5ld3MuLi4uSm9obiBNYWNhcnRuZXkKCgoKSSdtIHdyaXRpbmcgdGhpcyB3aXRoIHRlYXJzIGluIG15IGV5ZXMsbXkgZmFtaWx5IGFuZCBJIGNhbWUgZG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 05:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like a scammer is out using JonMac's name/email to try to scam money: From: John Macartney To: Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:56 AM Subject: Sad News....John Macartney I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to Kyiv,Ukraine for a short vacation.unfortunately,we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash and credit card were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the Embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills. Well I really need your financial assistance..Please, let me know if you can help us out? Am freaked out at the moment!! John Doesn't even sound like him. Are you aware of this JonMac? Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 06:57:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBA142F37 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 06:57:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B24F42EEC for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 06:57:12 -0700 (MST) s=MDaemon; t=1389189299; x=1389794099; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; bh=mfOqa+zfQg7adshir aInvKKdFJjD18C35ni2l6yUJjM=; b=6Yh3VcZaXSef8WhOIUcCHwXhpxqHNPCP4 eHIiFN5MqyMHldrodBKiIt61dk9LyBA8rdWx7QiEA9YFusdqYCOCG+OINYJClKZU 0ac+ugoftr9azJGHVdvq8NSIyJ1nPITDyxlPXBT3fm2jxlhBBolUvnqrLVXO+Gwx PNbkRJprOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=t9+1IvH/31n2uiga7vBfL51qIqebHIw7C/22qV7AbDzKLOLnzrq+wmjw9Mrx L87v5liXbNaiEO0VlipTVav/pSpiMZzfAIosa2BI6reuCSI8o3xMIS0Yt W9QmzNs3mJawUSr0poDJqxDYfBGrHsug8FVN94siVKBCTcp12yb7k8=; Received: from WorldClient by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 31-md50000147749.msg for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:54:58 -0500 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) Received: from [70.50.150.251] by indiefilmnet.com via WorldClient with HTTP; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:54:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:54:54 -0500 From: "Mark Hooper" To: "William Brewer" , "Triumphs" References: Subject: Re: [TR] JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill: This one is a first generic broad distribution note looking for nibbles. Having accessed someone's e-mail account, these criminals often read through the content and can thus maintain a short written conversation with casual friends and pass simple "is it really you" tests. The first tell is that they will not let you call them on the phone. The second is that once you've agreed to send them anything, they want only Western Union, which lets them pick up the funds anywhere in the world. In a moment of unbelievable dimness due to other pressing issues, I let myself be ripped off by one of these schemes a few years back. I sent money to the UK, but it ended up withdrawn in Belgium and, wait for it, Africa... Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:38:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] JonMac Looks like a scammer is out using JonMac's name/email to try to scam money: From: John Macartney To: Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:56 AM Subject: Sad News....John Macartney I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to Kyiv,Ukraine for a short vacation.unfortunately,we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash and credit card were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the Embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills. Well I really need your financial assistance..Please, let me know if you can help us out? Am freaked out at the moment!! John Doesn't even sound like him. Are you aware of this JonMac? Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 07:08:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D38F42F04 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:08:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B111B42EF0 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:04:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:53891] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 38/F1-08839-85A5DC25; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 14:02:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:02:00 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: William Brewer , Triumphs References: <1389188272.88875.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, This is a constant problem when anyone uses "webmail". Since all your email information is located on the web server, all one has to do to get all your information is to crack your password. Now they have all your contacts, trash, etc. at their disposal. Try to avoid "servers" that store your information. This includes clouds and those services that back up your files. If you want to back up your important files, go and get a USB terabyte disc. Install some auto backup SW and you are safe not only from scammers but the G O V T. Also use a POP/SMPT based email such as Thunderbird. Works on Windows as well as Linux. And best of all, complicated passwords are a must. Bob On 01/08/2014 08:37 AM, William Brewer wrote: > Looks like a scammer is out using JonMac's name/email to try to scam > money: ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 07:54:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F09542F1D for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:54:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B0542EF0 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BSlP1n00c5SgtPc01SlQG6; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:45:24 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumphs" References: <1389188272.88875.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52CD5A58.7080601@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 08:44:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going to disagree with part of bob's message, and focus on his last comment, which I think is the most important. webmail is efficient, effective, and convenient. it also prevents the complete and total loss of one's email with a system crash, which can happen with mac, linux, or pc. backups are smart, but most people do not do them. the real issue is password strength. please ensure that your password is a minimum of 8 characters, although 10 is better. best to start with a number or two. best to have at least one capital letter; two is better. best to have a special character (like #$%^& etc). do not use: 12345678 or qwerty or password or p455w0rd. get the idea? folks - please be smart about your passwords. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Labuz Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 8:02 AM To: William Brewer ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] JonMac Bill, This is a constant problem when anyone uses "webmail". Since all your email information is located on the web server, all one has to do to get all your information is to crack your password. Now they have all your contacts, trash, etc. at their disposal. Try to avoid "servers" that store your information. This includes clouds and those services that back up your files. If you want to back up your important files, go and get a USB terabyte disc. Install some auto backup SW and you are safe not only from scammers but the G O V T. Also use a POP/SMPT based email such as Thunderbird. Works on Windows as well as Linux. And best of all, complicated passwords are a must. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 08:11:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5286C42F37 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 08:11:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E822242EF0 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 08:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id cm18so1314335qab.40 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:04:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1EcLLY/skJlhRbGebb+BueQfWA4Y4ApZPaD6OtT0Y4E=; b=XFl5LLmNpko52pS+uCd2w8f1+R/d8mG6THtiBBoPOws2E4vFUgEOkwlAgSy/232hRP M3uSkHPN5nDyjGjDRa4IlAL0khuna8kQrGwjPZ7y8ouNFu9adw7bsNp9t7KHigxs1oPi jyZh1PG5zsk7/txuoCskBjnxev9jiIj+QHTdI+/SrLghl+3+VFr+jZoUiATTUZtS+l3V 7xmCoveiVOOKpyp7NxJ4jebhOQAnn12cnI9eCFeeSqoxpUTe6GC7QxAL0x1Vz5sYVIQK ySJ11bXAPAKapW7vLYKfQxe21anIpE+e7PhXlFrSOdTnlu8q2vFEL8tpPP7phiI7dfHZ ycWg== de20mr211929768qeb.51.1389193494102; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.165.136 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:04:54 -0800 (PST) References: <1389188272.88875.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52CD5A58.7080601@adelphia.net> <08FBCBA0B9D24D78BAC038EFF6AF6F98@Datsun> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:04:54 -0600 From: John Innis To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would take this one step further, and suggest that you only use web based service if it offers Two Factor Authentication. Two factor just means that to get access to the server you need two things. In this case something you know (your password) and something you have (usually a mobile phone). The first time you want to access the server from a particular computer, you have to have both your password and a special code generated by an application on your mobile phone. After that you can choose if you want to "trust" that particular computer or not. If you trust the computer, all you need to log into the server after that is the password. If you don't trust the computer (like if you were using a public computer) you would still need to use the app on the phone to log into the server. The benefit of this system is that even if someone steals (or cracks) your password, they still can't get access to your information. Same goes if they steal the phone. They would have to have both the password, and the phone to get access to your data. Google offers this, not sure who else does, but it should be considered a highly recommended for any service that stores your information online. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dave wrote: > I'm going to disagree with part of bob's message, and focus on his last > comment, which I think is the most important. > > webmail is efficient, effective, and convenient. it also prevents the > complete and total loss of one's email with a system crash, which can > happen with mac, linux, or pc. backups are smart, but most people do not > do them. > > the real issue is password strength. please ensure that your password is > a minimum of 8 characters, although 10 is better. > > best to start with a number or two. best to have at least one capital > letter; two is better. best to have a special character (like #$%^& etc). > > do not use: 12345678 or qwerty or password or p455w0rd. > > get the idea? > > folks - please be smart about your passwords. > > -----Original Message----- From: Bob Labuz > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 8:02 AM > To: William Brewer ; Triumphs > Subject: Re: [TR] JonMac > > > Bill, > > This is a constant problem when anyone uses "webmail". > > Since all your email information is located on the web server, all one > has to do to get all your information is to crack your password. Now > they have all your contacts, trash, etc. at their disposal. > > Try to avoid "servers" that store your information. This includes clouds > and those services that back up your files. > > If you want to back up your important files, go and get a USB terabyte > disc. Install some auto backup SW and you are safe not only from > scammers but the G O V T. > > Also use a POP/SMPT based email such as Thunderbird. Works on Windows as > well as Linux. > > And best of all, complicated passwords are a must. > > Bob > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/jdinnis@gmail.com > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 14:21:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355B42F92 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:21:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64CA42B12 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [23.16.25.27] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W0zYx-0003xh-1K for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:17:15 +0000 http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:17:13 -0800 From: Allan Reich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Re JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I got the same plea supposedly from John. If you notice the reply to, it is a slightly changed address ... It says John Macartney where instead of "flywheelcoventry1" it is "flywheeslcoventry1" Easy to miss but pretty nasty! Allan Reich Vancouver 1975 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 8 15:33:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209E142F4B for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:33:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECFD42F0E for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2014 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.222] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2014 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2014 22:23:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20959 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2014 22:23:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389219836; bh=hO3oa0zfLnlAwOJyh2jWdTbuU3LFCq8jF5YbVypLku8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y1bn7vvQQgGnl3rAg20eX1pBnHs8jQW2xk/itFxZrACGqcDdWdo9IOEiRC+AA6ctiuK/mDhUXMPyFGngFGVDPZHPuszgqXp3iku9u1TVacx4PQuOP2W2u3Q061WsulU9XdT3GPBOsI/7yvCBwScU1nodc867V93p/lfCjZ6TLSw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pz7Ri7q0Jud8/kmlcDPqwNTC1XG3GYMjd2LKd3Fx8e4BU1jBmWGxOmDaLZPXhhI53LL5DFo9KrG89cvWZkXphqrmuiFJRqOuAEE/lQgTIYE0mcDkx76cdDplVws86Sf0770U1Df8llaPBiv/n9BunGCjj5u+Eqaq4ZFfzdG7Bx8=; 7xaKmJ66ZreDCqvwvUkMVVTLwEhzWE_S798NddxPoOaHGOVM6dDm9Y.KJJFd LIHvG8k0ezSyT73i5EhbwrX6Z4fS0lD3ch62c4ujZYW.OTiq5ecU8JECZk2h MYR.nX_V1.oIH8MqLmt6vBvoFOQs02QqRi96sw00EINZPXB3ZX.HRaOC3QSm U_VWVJP3RQwShezcTcpuCjAq2.JA261IdCmxCEwqEaSnooRxX6NZJlKWHNWI TY30GVIuuvLz031yXNyOXQ9Srx1hw9wQia37TDNQj0S9H2YZpCN3Fdlzl3v2 cx6.DR_dl8Oyz3UP_FFgKXkTy3KpP42WFdT6xn.J4iZvBoTawZiAC1nqfLXR FLecRlrYJru0cEZtGmRRMyDtimuJnbEVon2_8sXrB6.VqbFcTci0UBfjAcgL VWycqWSJ9OxS4uacBjWhR3XEbiWiyAoYLcSLtCBBaTiRgkWUSs.4m5ZL_0hL DUDxJaxGPZUFboLJP620XX5yXRS_XpbiL2WNNRsDXJzoVUST3vkSZ8a0t8VA nUImctK7kX2j2KPaBGzlfpyEOJql7amklYEzC8GTCaTjLuPI9Knh1sxH38te aemOTDgiHjzPhUfTzNyuTL2jl7CaWDrpsS.XolAgFUXTLy7wdAaZiR5qZL0U C76BHpvL5qBaJMwSG Received: from [12.145.97.131] by web141401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 14:23:56 PST YXJlIHlvdSBzdWdnZXN0aW5nIGkgc2hvdWxkIG5vdCBoYXZlIHNlbnQgaGltIHRoZSBtb25leT8KCgoKCk9uIFdlZG5lc2RheSwgSmFudWFyeSA4LCAyMDE0IDE6MTkgUE0sIEFsbGFuIFJlaWNoIDxhcmVpY2hAdGVsdXMubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKIApJIGdvdCB0aGUgc2FtZSBwbGVhIHN1cHBvc2VkbHkgZnJvbSBKb2huLgpJZiB5b3Ugbm90aWNlIHRoZSByZXBseSB0bywgaXQgaXMgYSBzbGlnaHRseSBjaGFuZ2VkIGFkZHJlc3MgLi4uCkl0IHNheXMgSm9obiBNYWNhcnRuZXkgPGZseXdoZWUqc2wqY292ZW50cnkBMAEBAQE- References: <52CDB249.6080206@telus.net> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: Allan Reich , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Re JonMac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net are you suggesting i should not have sent him the money? On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:19 PM, Allan Reich wrote: I got the same plea supposedly from John. If you notice the reply to, it is a slightly changed address ... It says John Macartney where instead of "flywheelcoventry1" it is "flywheeslcoventry1" Easy to miss but pretty nasty! Allan Reich Vancouver 1975 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 10:01:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A04740432 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:01:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8914041E for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:38857] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 63/BD-08839-574DEC25; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:55:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:55:18 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: wbeech@flash.net, triumphs@autox.team.net References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice> Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, The original cubby box door base is aluminium not wood. The previous owner must have lost the original. I am not sure if any of the suppliers can get you a replacement. Should be not too hard to make a new one. The vinyl covered wood may be original but is supposed to attach to the aluminium base with very small counter-sunk wood screws. Just long enough to secure to the wood but not penetrate. The problem I see is the aluminium base is attached to the dash with a long chrome plated hinge which is riveted to the base. Not surer how you could duplicate this hinge unless your door is currently hinged with the original removed from the aluminium base. Maybe someone has a spare they could sell you. No experience with PC so others might chime in. I just rattle canned mine with rustoleum. Bob On 01/09/2014 11:10 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I know I am not the first to think of trying this so I would again implore > the List for BTDT wisdom. > > I am thinking of either painting or powder coating the dash on my current > TR3 project, but curious as to what others have done with the cubby box > door. So far, my only solution is making an aluminium panel to replace the > vinyl covered wood that is currently there. > > All thoughts and pictures appreciated, > > Cheers, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 10:47:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B065B42F19 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:47:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EB24044C for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2014 17:35:02 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.96] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2014 17:35:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2014 17:35:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389288902; bh=jT5efYdZAVub2NsaBbICOA3gG16yZYPhzWob1k4RXpc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:x-mimeole:Thread-Index; b=BFirNJWFvvvpAbYFSRmHGp0yHmCwKru2Wpj8Vlo3HrZkkrl87g/kC5Wk8Y3vVS41FDg8Wd2QlbQZJng1y+4om8H3fQMjo8AcwT6IncBdq4JIxVcTjDNXV9vdJpFrDhpSWsnoBWjpU/ipof4vaW1haWRvbQcIjHeO+muxiiCMrew= UXaeAvqU0Ph6zOM1EK0FRf8jLLtqBkkM6zFiV5dxqzMwxWchDXraXhU3v58_ 2XPFKPw0bUwTg.2P6UX_c0TzIiPS05gQfKKQsN6Z7_mswT6PYjhuXwkvqUZd i0GcCIeZKuJ4SJ6T_327Myahupx7Y28Bu_PFwXA7.zk9neQWNw7DRjS8wyOk tRjju8eXu70xmrk564gq9ZMUAqXD8bKQir9El5QNa_Zd31_bsIhANWgUvvLy f8vrfgjUmsZMUjKdQEROEFQk9tzGl1t1iBbVjHXzwa7qsKk5BTU9RGdwReOq YbKVRIqg1uWPnt.a34_ftL2nLQ8M0pPu3wMjMy6p0l0QYvCOGLQH7xNJHbiL VNDa7UH86zALQJ80ijRrvi6swTwkwVBxWX4o32kid.KTzJ6guwopmKzddopQ ETexfVqjiahfKPyN6kTAkkTN3k.P_AZnFwY8kdIXs.EDY8GGmZStAi_y_7Na T0XC4mgUfli4d7MRssT9ecn0Fjna2Mc1O8VIeGgxd6.3c92J_mZT6aAMmKAt FRvh7F87Tf1cNVu0TRjGwuFOUQwNFenkWxUef.pM5Oi3n97fvwqa12Xp3r5h x0n8d_O5GGxRM_aYEPf8FWIeK [98.138.31.74]) by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jan 2014 17:35:02 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Bob Labuz'" , References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice> <52CED476.8000109@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:35:04 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac8NW5PO7iNGHERsRfmgMPRa7F9LnAAA7tXw Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Sorry, I wasn't clear. I have the complete original door with the aluminium base and hinge with the very little screws securing the vinyl covered wood face. Just want to either replace the face so it can be coated or the entire unit. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bob Labuz [mailto:yellowtr@adelphia.net] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:55 AM To: wbeech@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Bill, The original cubby box door base is aluminium not wood. The previous owner must have lost the original. I am not sure if any of the suppliers can get you a replacement. Should be not too hard to make a new one. The vinyl covered wood may be original but is supposed to attach to the aluminium base with very small counter-sunk wood screws. Just long enough to secure to the wood but not penetrate. The problem I see is the aluminium base is attached to the dash with a long chrome plated hinge which is riveted to the base. Not surer how you could duplicate this hinge unless your door is currently hinged with the original removed from the aluminium base. Maybe someone has a spare they could sell you. No experience with PC so others might chime in. I just rattle canned mine with rustoleum. Bob On 01/09/2014 11:10 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I know I am not the first to think of trying this so I would again > implore the List for BTDT wisdom. > > I am thinking of either painting or powder coating the dash on my > current > TR3 project, but curious as to what others have done with the cubby > box door. So far, my only solution is making an aluminium panel to > replace the vinyl covered wood that is currently there. > > All thoughts and pictures appreciated, > > Cheers, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 10:49:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9362142F6F for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:49:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FDB42F3E for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from vms170031pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MZ500BPBAOXZ340@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:46:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from 131.247.90.54 ([131.247.90.54]) by vms170031 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:46:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:46:09 -0600 (CST) From: Carl TR To: yellowtr@adelphia.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net replacements are available from Macy's Garage (stainless) and TRF (unknown material) as well as probably Moss.. Carl 1961 TR3A - TS81802LO mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a Tampa, Florida On 01/09/14, Bob Labuz wrote: Bill, The original cubby box door base is aluminium not wood. The previous owner must have lost the original. I am not sure if any of the suppliers can get you a replacement. Should be not too hard to make a new one. The vinyl covered wood may be original but is supposed to attach to the aluminium base with very small counter-sunk wood screws. Just long enough to secure to the wood but not penetrate. The problem I see is the aluminium base is attached to the dash with a long chrome plated hinge which is riveted to the base. Not surer how you could duplicate this hinge unless your door is currently hinged with the original removed from the aluminium base. Maybe someone has a spare they could sell you. No experience with PC so others might chime in. I just rattle canned mine with rustoleum. Bob On 01/09/2014 11:10 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I know I am not the first to think of trying this so I would again implore > the List for BTDT wisdom. > > I am thinking of either painting or powder coating the dash on my current > TR3 project, but curious as to what others have done with the cubby box > door. So far, my only solution is making an aluminium panel to replace the > vinyl covered wood that is currently there. > > All thoughts and pictures appreciated, > > Cheers, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 12:52:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F4342F4F for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:52:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C66440513 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W12 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:47:21 -0800 From: Peter Arakelian To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:47:21 -0800 FILETIME=[9CC85AD0:01CF0D73] Subject: [TR] TR6 Rockershaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Going to replace my rockershaft. Any tips, tricks, looks pretty straight forward except for the end plug. What's a good way to get it out of the old into the new? I assume it is necessary. Thanks to all in advance - lots of great help recently... Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 9 19:06:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7113E42713 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 19:06:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD02403F9 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 18:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [74.110.208.75]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MZ500LLZXFYJLA0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 19:57:34 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 20:57:33 -0500 References: To: Peter Arakelian Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rockershaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter A lot of new shafts come with plugs in them. If not get some new one's and install them. Without them you will loose all the oil out the ends and not lube the shaft. Take everything off the old shaft and lay them out in order. Check and see if the rocker arm bushings are worn and replace them as needed. Dean On Jan 9, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > Going to replace my rockershaft. > > Any tips, tricks, looks pretty straight forward except for the end plug. > > What's a good way to get it out of the old into the new? I assume it is > necessary. > > > Thanks to all in advance - lots of great help recently... > > > Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 12:27:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1A943063 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:27:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BB3403A5 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:21:48 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=_dF_5Jd_jKIA:10 a=iypIBICwtT6XwlwO7nwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.180.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.180.171] ([64.121.180.171:49341] helo=[192.168.1.116]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 53/A7-10901-0C740D25; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:19:28 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:19:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While I have the engine out for a rebuild, I am going to install a new OD adapter plate to hopefully fix an oil leak at that spot. I was also going to split the OD case and seal the case and brake ring until I read the Bentley manual which said no sealant on the brake ring. But I wonder if there is a "catch" in the instructions. The note about no sealant precedes the instructions for determining sun wheel end float and that makes sense because you don't want to include the sealant thickness in the measurements. After determining the end float and installing the correct thickness thrust washer, the instructions go on with the further assembly of the front and rear case with no further mention of sealant or no sealant. That said, I don't remember if there was much or any leakage from the brake ring as the adapter plate leak sufficiently oiled the underside. The Larry Young-Sam Clark "manual" says to use Hylomar and that is probably what I did several years ago when I built it. Any thoughts? Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 17:35:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D097643052 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:35:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85724302F for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.79]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6FA5470007CFA; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mab002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mab002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.29.5]) by mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 43B1F38000083; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) From: TR250Driver@aol.com Full-name: TR250Driver Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) To: allenhess@mgcarclub.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1389391938; bh=OzaaovoeQwGuZv6q7gaCgym9KiVyix6dVy4jV2WlP1Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aW9i1jIP3yi1e1U3NcNh6WwJ2iuYFHllozbm++f0vvw/1X4OOpiau0DeBKA8npKu3 Nj7KDPp2wZMY2akI0XAwslopYmdz0PPeUuAjg6weVZdUAfdEHEB8tijKn9obeimuiQ a1YM51dVYk5+RHRACE6cE4fjpxquVuMEp1M7BM9w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4f52d07042322e Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Allen, Not an expert at all but the thru school of hard knocks I have learned that the later and thicker OD adaptor plate will solve the leakage problem at that location. I once had an A-Type OD that was fouled with silicone sealant in the oil an would not operate acceptably. It was slow to engage even after an attempt to rebuild. Hope this helps, Darrell In a message dated 1/10/2014 2:25:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, allenhess@mgcarclub.com writes: While I have the engine out for a rebuild, I am going to install a new OD adapter plate to hopefully fix an oil leak at that spot. I was also going to split the OD case and seal the case and brake ring until I read the Bentley manual which said no sealant on the brake ring. But I wonder if there is a "catch" in the instructions. The note about no sealant precedes the instructions for determining sun wheel end float and that makes sense because you don't want to include the sealant thickness in the measurements. After determining the end float and installing the correct thickness thrust washer, the instructions go on with the further assembly of the front and rear case with no further mention of sealant or no sealant. That said, I don't remember if there was much or any leakage from the brake ring as the adapter plate leak sufficiently oiled the underside. The Larry Young-Sam Clark "manual" says to use Hylomar and that is probably what I did several years ago when I built it. Any thoughts? Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 17:54:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5D743044 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:54:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A7D4304C for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id g12so596076oah.21 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:35:51 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=LPIj3iDm0qSLLWn7chj13oCOHYsU2ZW0F5NV7HNZ7EY=; b=p7+0cLxm6LmLTxXMrsEoLfsQSyOGCFzV7s3179/AFZXYwgq4kko4vw/AhN2hq6QEru k4n6KU+kxg9Tv5odlg1DyOpg/BI1gwJPswXlwRXkEMWserS6hLHvPGmBO61dndhx7a9R kMSReHdNFtuXKLa5VGjq0YUy8F23Oqyri3dGsPSEPelk1k2ASECOvqGHfvCb5+mkbvhm k9NJj0XC7Nf3Ck59dxsaflcgsjcvm0Z6+yTKPh6COuOBpL/DsUgjzmG9XWwcQjZyjLzR F69FYfHPPTAaRid/0M2EzTDReEjEd/oK2e1BKakEo/oRX4XUlQC4iWZhUXH6U/PqYn48 degw== ct9mr10664526oeb.12.1389400551434; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm12925142oep.2.2014.01.10.16.35.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:36:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8OZRj8yvaX5+exS7S5sJh7jrxRJA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Hardtop Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have the original metal bead trim that goes on the surrey hardtop rear window. This would have been two aluminum pieces with tabs/clips as joiners. Mine was missing when I got the hardtop. I prefer to use the original versus the plastic aftermarket stuff. Please contact me off list. Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 10 21:44:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C28E43064 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:44:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy16.mail.unifiedlayer.com (alt-proxy16.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.197.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 695D94303F for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15943 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jan 2014 04:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2014 04:19:44 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=61101 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1q2y-0006AO-66; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:19:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:19:38 -0600 To: Allen Hess ,=?iso-8859-1?Q?=93triumphs?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_list=93?= From: Tony Drews References: <9F3439AF-35E0-4DF6-9A0E-FC538B96C8FD@mgcarclub.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I put either Hylomar or my normal permatex form a gasket on that area thinly. For the adapter plate, make absolutely sure you don't have the safety wire holding anything apart upon assembly. The routing of that is picky. Tony At 01:19 PM 1/10/2014, Allen Hess wrote: >While I have the engine out for a rebuild, I am going to install a new >OD adapter plate to hopefully fix an oil leak at that spot. I was also >going to split the OD case and seal the case and brake ring until I >read the Bentley manual which said no sealant on the brake ring. But I >wonder if there is a "catch" in the instructions. The note about no >sealant precedes the instructions for determining sun wheel end float >and that makes sense because you don't want to include the sealant >thickness in the measurements. After determining the end float and >installing the correct thickness thrust washer, the instructions go on >with the further assembly of the front and rear case with no further >mention of sealant or no sealant. > >That said, I don't remember if there was much or any leakage from the >brake ring as the adapter plate leak sufficiently oiled the underside. >The Larry Young-Sam Clark "manual" says to use Hylomar and that is >probably what I did several years ago when I built it. Any thoughts? > >Allen > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 11 14:49:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3814430E2 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:49:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561FC43074 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:12:48 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ZDsUbHPK2ia/+agy9bUaxg==:117 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=m8nl2KX5BY8A:10 a=lYFAZQB7u3v5SQkNavsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SACXhyK6ZX8A:10 a=rcpbrzb7iMcA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.180.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.180.171] ([64.121.180.171:49188] helo=[192.168.1.116]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 31/0D-10901-103B1D25; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:09:21 -0500 From: Allen Hess To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:09:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone for your comments. One other thing that I encountered with the new OD adapter plate - I had to enlarge and square up the recess for the counter shaft just a tiny bit. As it was it caused the plate to rotate and the bolt holes wouldn't line up. Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 11 15:35:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23F2430D7 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 15:35:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58C24308B for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 15:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2014 22:23:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.207] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2014 22:23:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2014 22:23:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14864 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2014 22:23:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389478997; bh=OdpjXCMC5aHLVKt4IGYNqKnIBFtwZ3yBoqvuT+lYtWY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pw4sCp26XQ5NF1YvOITIfuv0M7RsbcF0sD+7m3z4KRJVZmcoyxC6HTNQCo/2vLkDAoxqdBpK9qkPKu0Y/IJ/tgANG9A4nbre3Z2VbA9tauZOo6wBHleNxQ0gL3ncKgcz3favCeRsutviVfPPTufTo+kwX8SdMY3tDQAGuC87skA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S9v4dKuYZx9lrc5PgC7Qz/uRSTx6Zu201m/PASf1dE4SvPN198b8tsOxL4fPYtE/QeiLmtNqLZJwAqOj+6+S5GioRGSeG5GADceeSXEBucn87M5G/TKQHAk/rm5MAwv9GJd/OKrA8MRqqgHW3hJUVvy4xj6tHPNg81YEYdmT+Vk=; .O3_LAlpcTWL49jcSPb2XffuSJClWQAkG4SkUUD6LzdFzMnkkxiW6ApPFUor 9_7CvdKgD.O85olnF3HvmfXnkZXHL4h.H7gHC5agxoDHwDQxsZSMUf9FMIDL _4dhgKCiObtKoVNmyo_CTPrCJkMHdfBtm.cGQI1svwjt42_3NsIUQrPK9iId fUU2Rw9efO7PKOcJ7L51yajtep5IiTchmQcuQpFeRRCLqjvZmgh4cI0ZV18a ggBos7Q4NcVPAsnLF39s79MptIlBbDVPYII3roVSkeqtl8zIeXsaEOLeafZr .bA71wgX8GvCJ62pTQveg.i22.qvuYQgQy4iWyRZXNzefwcBJaACeoIlOntv c1MmUEVgoNROwOufnwN4QbQ2NOLboWdC_7EATW5Nck976j09n3a5TIeQ2o53 Fku8zQ_D3CNFCQklC0rNx16V69iaE5e6rB9usruKT06S_lV46rme0IAk7CM. 1IxbwRPOJqzR1DbbGHTKgH5.UTm1RdH5uK35WBBR590nC9OPrlQ-- Received: from [96.247.4.177] by web141404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:23:17 PST d29ya2VkIG9uIGEgZ3V5cyA2MihtYXliZSkgQXVzdGluIEhlYWx5IHNwcml0ZSB0b2RheS4KaGUgaGFkIGEgbW9zcyBhbHRlcm5hdG9yIGtpdCBmaXR0ZWQgYnkgYSBEUE8uIGxvdHMgb2YgcHJvYmxlbXMuCmhlIHdvdWxkIGxpa2UgdG8gYnV5IGEgcmVwbGFjZW1lbnQgYWx0ZXJuYXRvciBidXQgc2VlbXMgdG8gbm90IGxpa2UgbW9zcyEgYW55IG9uZSBrbm93IHdoYXQgdGhlIGFsdGVybmF0b3IgaXMgZnJvbT8KdGhhbmtzCkZyYW5rATABAQEB Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:23:17 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Fisher To: TR3/6 Subject: [TR] alternator conversions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net worked on a guys 62(maybe) Austin Healy sprite today. he had a moss alternator kit fitted by a DPO. lots of problems. he would like to buy a replacement alternator but seems to not like moss! any one know what the alternator is from? thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 11 20:01:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A40943501 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:01:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E392E42798 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:45:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B9A07F8 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:43:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:42:56 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23 To: TR3/6 References: <1389478997.67990.YahooMailNeo@web141404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] alternator conversions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Frank Fisher wrote: > worked on a guys 62(maybe) Austin Healy sprite today. > he had a moss alternator kit fitted by a DPO. lots of problems. > he would like to buy a replacement alternator but seems to not like moss! any one know what the alternator is from? > Do some searching for Mini Mania in Milpitas, CA as I recall. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 11 21:38:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB552434DE for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:38:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1227240520 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id o6so6710299oag.41 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:35:07 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/gk2G2kOmB6je9m+JgLFFPfQwWn15Uzq7jX2t79rhUA=; b=LO86arxfanLzTWfw637FSzgs4ajQVjxmYtuDGNnsC9wXSKTeFUfrVceiaq2xHRtisB ushM1ahsG4+F17BIZUG4XPGRTKcfbnGM7DZvuyLdQVqr5Vo7SRnormn+8/3dffBA9aeZ S7bf1mhJS4YmXnmvhB/Ym8ABSRZmQCTt8wtXJNDzXwP57FRpKj6iTek2NWR/usVunrI4 +vLNeI/NK9+dVAg5irQS+si4KekHSzAwJ14Zv0jH2zqYnjqFggUbyvrJXbVfv+/zevhj l7n57alat++VU36KTwrGpmFsnreh/INJVbLY7dyaETAXs/+H+6R8yBwxd1yFWhU5JtcM +olw== xo4mr15167854oeb.5.1389501307299; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yv10sm15904566obb.12.2014.01.11.20.35.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:35:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:35:04 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1389478997.67990.YahooMailNeo@web141404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <52D1F320.205@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] alternator conversions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Frank Fisher wrote: >> worked on a guys 62(maybe) Austin Healy sprite today. >> he had a moss alternator kit fitted by a DPO. lots of problems. >> he would like to buy a replacement alternator but seems to not like >> moss! any one know what the alternator is from? When I converted my TR3 to an Alternator I went to Morgan Motors of New England. http://www.morgan-spares.com They have a very nice kit that includes a dummy voltage regulator to make the conversion wiring easier and maintain "the look". The alternator went out on my on my drive to the Kastner cup races at Laguna Seca. A shop put a new rebuild kit into the alternator and I made Laguna Seca a day late :( TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 00:22:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69E643500 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:22:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674A640401 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:03:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id w18so2675963vbj.9 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 14:01:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mPAzlaXhdKXlkCQwKckYXV1cTcFoJb7Fi7pWAewuudQ=; b=SI3R2T/33E2xuRScORg0N5Zt/SPkMR5Yf8eclWSh1R56U+s9H8atWLkRPHBG+pq1ws J0Cr7zFqlNNc4C6loYVizar9p/Xeyeks/y29CndVLH0uFtGq6SHLwcUAJQat2dwd6lsW pXrC/a7vt+yzHK/0uZyHw9r9Wg+hX1sGZKI+fDmdnrHHA6UwB+8I2DDEbiscSuTSuDHc HAmL+0E/HDrjCK3AKW+9wslB0McqY7vcsZ8asJdlIYnjJamDO/t2jVSKaEHy5wPEo47o wLgzQoyudBjMYB84uFfmn/c9tTfG6gqylh3Hf0EmrNrdqP7Mcne47/8qKTjmhEpKPHfU TFsA== q13mr4070780vdh.18.1389304871470; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 14:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.117.204 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:01:11 -0800 (PST) References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice> <52CED476.8000109@adelphia.net> <06F37033DD2540EAB36765BB20B12D82@bboffice> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:01:11 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bill Beecher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill -- I don't think you're being understood. You want to replace the vinyl-cover wood panel with something that can be power-coated -- right? Total replacement would need something pretty thick to look right but a 'sandwich' of the original aluminum backing, a thin layer of wood or Masonite, then a front layer of sheet metal (possibly aluminum again) would give you a part that could be powder coated. I don't recollect ever seeing this done, possibly that is why it is hard to catch your drift. Geo On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:35 AM, wrote: > Bob, > Sorry, I wasn't clear. I have the complete original door with the > aluminium > base and hinge with the very little screws securing the vinyl covered wood > face. Just want to either replace the face so it can be coated or the > entire unit. > Thanks, > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Labuz [mailto:yellowtr@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:55 AM > To: wbeech@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating > > Bill, > > The original cubby box door base is aluminium not wood. The previous owner > must have lost the original. I am not sure if any of the suppliers can get > you a replacement. Should be not too hard to make a new one. The vinyl > covered wood may be original but is supposed to attach to the aluminium > base > with very small counter-sunk wood screws. Just long enough to secure to the > wood but not penetrate. > > The problem I see is the aluminium base is attached to the dash with a long > chrome plated hinge which is riveted to the base. Not surer how you could > duplicate this hinge unless your door is currently hinged with the original > removed from the aluminium base. > > Maybe someone has a spare they could sell you. > > No experience with PC so others might chime in. I just rattle canned mine > with rustoleum. > > Bob > > On 01/09/2014 11:10 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > > I know I am not the first to think of trying this so I would again > > implore the List for BTDT wisdom. > > > > I am thinking of either painting or powder coating the dash on my > > current > > TR3 project, but curious as to what others have done with the cubby > > box door. So far, my only solution is making an aluminium panel to > > replace the vinyl covered wood that is currently there. > > > > All thoughts and pictures appreciated, > > > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > Bill Beecher > > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 00:26:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D80434E8 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:26:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1030F42F51 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:20:42 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:117 a=ik2CwRnywmcyCGRkmHh+og==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=K07yVshzkGMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=eVNilVpxrx1wNEKRFbYA:9 a=dukdPDDAb_B-fzkG:21 a=y64QWjYZ4P-nF7Y3:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=RoDsHgzevegA:10 a=vrMw6r7OOUUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 72.49.200.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.200.71] ([72.49.200.71:50728] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id B6/32-08168-FCA1CC25; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:18:39 -0500 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "Jim Henningsen" , "Geo Hahn" References: <00fc01cf0b4a$426c1a20$c7444e60$@gmail.com> <9124C4F7-2D68-4091-9251-5415F24D4DB0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:19:10 -0500 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, After seeing the pictures, I realized I forgot to mention I have installed a set of GoodParts solid aluminum steering rack mounts.. That may make a difference in what I had told you before. Regards, Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Henningsen" To: "Geo Hahn" Cc: "Triumphs" Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Steering Rack > The mounts look different on yours. Not sure if it matters, but mine is a > early 62 and the mounts match the factory parts book and my 62 early parts > car. Thanks for sharing. Are those mounts similar to a TR6? Jim > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > >> Hmmm - that doesn't look right, or at least doesn't look like mine. I >> have > a 64 if that matters. >> >> Passenger side: > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-PS_zpsee98ef1d. > jpg >> >> Driver side: > http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Rack-DS_zps7309f23d. > jpg >> >> Geo >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, James Henningsen >> wrote: >>> List: >>> >>> On to the next project. Reinstalling the steering rack in my 62 TR4 and >>> am >>> curious on the correct fitment to center the rack. I read the manual >>> and >>> have the dimples on the rack where the aluminum brackets attach and are >>> clamped to the frame bracket with the u bolts. I centered the pinion > after >>> taking measurements of the full movement of the steering. With the >>> pinion >>> centered, I placed the new tie rod ends into their happy homes and did >>> not >>> tighten. What I noticed is that the steering is off as the wheels are >>> pointed to the left as doing a slight left turn. The new tie rod ends >>> are >>> both screwed on all the way so there is no room to turn it in to bring >>> the >>> driver's side wheel straight. Current angle has car turning to left >>> slightly. The passenger side tie rod could be unscrewed out to bring > wheel >>> straight ahead. But that doesn't help me on the driver's side. >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems like the steering rack need to be slid to the passenger side > about >>> an inch or two to give more adjustment to the driver's side However, on > my >>> rack there is a round metal plate attached to the rack near the >>> passenger >>> side mount that won't allow me to move the rack past the mounting plate > that >>> attaches to the frame. I have a shot of this in a photo at the >>> following >>> link: >>> >>> >>> >>> > http://s996.photobucket.com/user/trguy75/media/steeringrack_zps028bdcb5.jpg. >>> html >>> >>> >>> >>> What is curious is that my 62 parts car doesn't have this plate attached > to >>> the steering rack. I am assuming the rack on my project car is from my >>> 62 >>> car as it is date stamped 62 on the aluminum housing near the pinion > shaft. >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance. The fun of rebuilding a car without a mechanic >>> nearby. >>> The good news is I am learning a lot! >>> >>> >>> >>> Jim Henningsen >>> >>> Ocala, FL (soon to be under a hard freeze tonight) >>> >>> 62 TR4 CT5212LO >>> >>> 75 TR6 >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 00:27:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF05D434B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:27:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EF440400 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2014 22:29:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2014 22:29:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2014 22:29:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389306579; bh=uC+6dub22bKGzQN6yunAsW/x9i/RUyNKchevphPUmeI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=hCWSEAxcK+VGPx0YNZOnFQHZ1c51Mo8xwTM2Xm4rQIQQwBzmuGvo31yV3c2oV8Q07se3owb1mENG/rxiCz8eiJldC29Gr1QPVxH1zSQuvREeOqHSZzf4v+THd0So9+vbv+/nl4fX0UROrOFVjLfV3qrQPTc2bV2RcNtDardjrtg= e39QGEI3QRPzqd9rRI6lB3FB0N2DbVyw4XuRc5RwsM3fmKcEtxi9wMjj7f4M YkiOMb4Nq15sJolVcRGDpJyLlvcSgQ3HnViPOHuHITSvFzEIxy8KwgX_jvcQ IaPKqt85qac1DArkIpErTjmo8HRKTCrDi7zvpl9KWWy6eHNg2hGfXixsmDER HoEs4ivuQKN0_uPjKZiPw9GKqM0I9Y_EvRbwyl0tHjh7huiKNeYL3DnP0tYk zXLZpUhDM3aqmH9DBVA2_FAIpESKAon74vlAQFJSScXMUoeXq1TR.I0NVTXQ ke5i8RyJs4acKTH3291dg1rOa8kN_aODKMNuAECI1Rc62v963efD0GmQtlCX JokAYTaLLlRRkDU3BTmYqPLAVTUEnJ1Z6Mt.x9IO48CIF32aWEUEorMtrns0 vk8tq05rz2SzrYF70iv4pxERj8e.AOa5dDU_D06t900KDZdBpQtmRuydZSwT v6Vjfyl2Yuku6W4_4J6pwKtqS2Zx9yD7xkGb7BOhqJYqXwy3XqwUhvD30Bn6 kiaMFb2Aoz_q4URIQBRdFSBGDnk3j4YWyBVLFKqrj4QhJEPdtgCceOJFDhr3 JtlWQQ0lAaVMOQRQ_Sbg5y2RFtZ5HJS4Wnn7aiXDUlO8zwlfau.L4maJDZCn FmB6MJLGHuEGkTd6NsFDgS7T058o- plain [98.138.31.74]) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jan 2014 14:29:39 -0800 PST References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice> <52CED476.8000109@adelphia.net> <06F37033DD2540EAB36765BB20B12D82@bboffice> From: Wbeech Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 16:29:30 -0600 To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, that is what I an planning. I am going to look at a fiberglass option too. Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: Bill -- I don't think you're being understood. You want to replace the vinyl-cover wood panel with something that can be power-coated -- right? Total replacement would need something pretty thick to look right but a 'sandwich' of the original aluminum backing, a thin layer of wood or Masonite, then a front layer of sheet metal (possibly aluminum again) would give you a part that could be powder coated. I don't recollect ever seeing this done, possibly that is why it is hard to catch your drift. Geo > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:35 AM, wrote: > Bob, > Sorry, I wasn't clear. I have the complete original door with the aluminium > base and hinge with the very little screws securing the vinyl covered wood > face. Just want to either replace the face so it can be coated or the > entire unit. > Thanks, > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Labuz [mailto:yellowtr@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:55 AM > To: wbeech@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating > > Bill, > > The original cubby box door base is aluminium not wood. The previous owner > must have lost the original. I am not sure if any of the suppliers can get > you a replacement. Should be not too hard to make a new one. The vinyl > covered wood may be original but is supposed to attach to the aluminium base > with very small counter-sunk wood screws. Just long enough to secure to the > wood but not penetrate. > > The problem I see is the aluminium base is attached to the dash with a long > chrome plated hinge which is riveted to the base. Not surer how you could > duplicate this hinge unless your door is currently hinged with the original > removed from the aluminium base. > > Maybe someone has a spare they could sell you. > > No experience with PC so others might chime in. I just rattle canned mine > with rustoleum. > > Bob > > On 01/09/2014 11:10 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > > I know I am not the first to think of trying this so I would again > > implore the List for BTDT wisdom. > > > > I am thinking of either painting or powder coating the dash on my > > current > > TR3 project, but curious as to what others have done with the cubby > > box door. So far, my only solution is making an aluminium panel to > > replace the vinyl covered wood that is currently there. > > > > All thoughts and pictures appreciated, > > > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > Bill Beecher > > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 00:28:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D9B434E3 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:28:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A4C4003B for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.175]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6F26B701B5274; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mod005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.17]) by mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CEEFD38000086; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:04:29 -0500 (EST) References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice> <52CED476.8000109@adelphia.net> To: yellowtr@adelphia.net, wbeech@flash.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m272.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.244) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:04:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:04:29 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1389287070; bh=I2EPeKHJ5dhJzC76Sm0aKQs0+65cfhKciCUNMBlfMbM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jajeOHQr9KDvdUZhmv9ecA6VvAvPskEoMJW2ZTHjSIx8IfbyXgIQgDPXgQvNZctDZ 7MvsjviPw7V8Q2zMcvhts3SiAI0kDfCzDlsb3ymqVwX9J9Z4gr8fOBi7+PC2hRttGj hNlEF2J7HCke1hUXgCkZhDZEz+r5EpU3DxgdZC3Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeaf52ced69d0abd Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net But that aluminium backing plate is attached to a thin piece of wood to which is attached the vinyl/leather covering. But a solid aluminum door would be COOL. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Bob Labuz To: wbeech ; triumphs Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:00 am Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Bill, The original cubby box door base is aluminium not wood. The previous owner must have lost the original. I am not sure if any of the suppliers can get you a replacement. Should be not too hard to make a new one. The vinyl covered wood may be original but is supposed to attach to the aluminium base with very small counter-sunk wood screws. Just long enough to secure to the wood but not penetrate. The problem I see is the aluminium base is attached to the dash with a long chrome plated hinge which is riveted to the base. Not surer how you could duplicate this hinge unless your door is currently hinged with the original removed from the aluminium base. Maybe someone has a spare they could sell you. No experience with PC so others might chime in. I just rattle canned mine with rustoleum. Bob On 01/09/2014 11:10 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I know I am not the first to think of trying this so I would again implore > the List for BTDT wisdom. > > I am thinking of either painting or powder coating the dash on my current > TR3 project, but curious as to what others have done with the cubby box > door. So far, my only solution is making an aluminium panel to replace the > vinyl covered wood that is currently there. > > All thoughts and pictures appreciated, > > Cheers, > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 01:58:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4656434CB for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:58:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014454032C for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:43:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:49279] helo=LVVJVVLAPTOP) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A2/FE-28072-14390D25; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:41:37 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , References: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:41:38 -0500 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used Hylomar on the last OD I rebuilt along with the thicker adapter plate with very good results, still have leaks but it's much less than before the rebuild. Glad I found Hylomar. JVV -----Original Message----- From: TR250Driver@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:12 PM To: allenhess@mgcarclub.com Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Allen, Not an expert at all but the thru school of hard knocks I have learned that the later and thicker OD adaptor plate will solve the leakage problem at that location. I once had an A-Type OD that was fouled with silicone sealant in the oil an would not operate acceptably. It was slow to engage even after an attempt to rebuild. Hope this helps, Darrell In a message dated 1/10/2014 2:25:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, allenhess@mgcarclub.com writes: While I have the engine out for a rebuild, I am going to install a new OD adapter plate to hopefully fix an oil leak at that spot. I was also going to split the OD case and seal the case and brake ring until I read the Bentley manual which said no sealant on the brake ring. But I wonder if there is a "catch" in the instructions. The note about no sealant precedes the instructions for determining sun wheel end float and that makes sense because you don't want to include the sealant thickness in the measurements. After determining the end float and installing the correct thickness thrust washer, the instructions go on with the further assembly of the front and rear case with no further mention of sealant or no sealant. That said, I don't remember if there was much or any leakage from the brake ring as the adapter plate leak sufficiently oiled the underside. The Larry Young-Sam Clark "manual" says to use Hylomar and that is probably what I did several years ago when I built it. Any thoughts? Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 02:03:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5F2434E3 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 02:03:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B444743574 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from 10.168.97.95 ([unknown] [70.192.222.171]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYX00K29Z86HF80@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:55:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:55:14 -0500 From: Dean To: auprichard@uprichard.net, peterara@msn.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I always loctite a lot of bolts along with locktabs. Dean Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Andrew Uprichard wrote: >No way that I am aware of. I just pulled the head on my 250 to get lifters >out. > >The shop which built my TR250 (under 1000 miles ago) didn't bend the tabs >over the two bolts which hold the cam sprocket in place: one came loose and >then the other sheared off, causing the sprocket to come off, taking with it >the nub at the end of the cam. So a new cam is in order. A silly little >thing like a tab ends up costing a lot of money and time........ > >Andrew Uprichard > >-----Original Message----- >From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 11:55 AM >To: Listers >Subject: [TR] TR6 lifters > >Can TR6 lifters be pulled out without removing the head? > >Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 02:03:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E46143501 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 02:03:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D82142F1C; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from vznit170080pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MZ0003GJHENVEF1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:23:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from 96.255.78.67 ([96.255.78.67]) by vznit170080 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:23:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:23:11 -0600 (CST) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: robertrudolphi@yahoo.com, triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Robert, I am not sure why TRF told you that. I can advise that I purchased the New Tan to match my existing interior, and I was surprised how dark the original had gotten over 30+ years. Would be glad to send some pictures if you would like. I would also recommend that if you are not planning on doing the seats yourself, make sure to get some good references or send them to the guy TRF recommends up near them. I wish I had, the way the seats were done originally marked one local British car shop off my list for life, and I had to get an interior person to correct them as best as possible. Glue was used were glue should not have been used. Its a long story. Not all restoration shops are created equal. Craig 72 TR6 On 01/06/14, robert rudolphi wrote: Hi Folks, I am thinking about replacing the interior in my 74 TR6. I want to go with a lighter tan then what came originally but want to stay with the original "diamond" pattern for the seats. The Roadster Factory told me they have nothing, I did get a price from Moss, but wanted to check with the list to see if anyone had any other recommendations. I plan on replacing the complete interior, carpet, panels and seats. Thanks in advance for any advice. Robert ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 02:11:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC610434E3 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 02:11:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC1B43014 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 04:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [74.110.208.75]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MZ800M5ZIQNVI00@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 11 Jan 2014 05:32:48 -0600 (CST) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 06:32:47 -0500 References: <9F3439AF-35E0-4DF6-9A0E-FC538B96C8FD@mgcarclub.com> <20140111044436.80E6F4308A@autox.team.net> To: Tony Drews Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= , Allen Hess Subject: Re: [TR] TR A type OD sealing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is what works for me. I do this for all joints, transmission, oil pans, front covers, engine plates. Everything but head gaskets and valve covers. Clean both surfaces with a scotch brite, then wipe with brake clean. there must be no oil on the surfaces. I spread a thin layer of "The Right Stuff" by Permatex. I spread it with a razor blade and coat from edge to edge on both sides. The gasket in the middle. You want to have a very thin line of squeeze out. Don't run a 1/8 bead and have big globs of sealant hanging out. It will also hang out on the inside. Torque to specs and give it time to set up. When ever there is room under the bolt heads, use SAE grade 8 flat washers to spread the load out further. SAE grade 8 washers are thicker and have a closer fit to the bolt. Dean On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > I put either Hylomar or my normal permatex form a gasket on that area thinly. > > For the adapter plate, make absolutely sure you don't have the safety wire holding anything apart upon assembly. The routing of that is picky. > > Tony > > At 01:19 PM 1/10/2014, Allen Hess wrote: >> While I have the engine out for a rebuild, I am going to install a new >> OD adapter plate to hopefully fix an oil leak at that spot. I was also >> going to split the OD case and seal the case and brake ring until I >> read the Bentley manual which said no sealant on the brake ring. But I >> wonder if there is a "catch" in the instructions. The note about no >> sealant precedes the instructions for determining sun wheel end float >> and that makes sense because you don't want to include the sealant >> thickness in the measurements. After determining the end float and >> installing the correct thickness thrust washer, the instructions go on >> with the further assembly of the front and rear case with no further >> mention of sealant or no sealant. >> >> That said, I don't remember if there was much or any leakage from the >> brake ring as the adapter plate leak sufficiently oiled the underside. >> The Larry Young-Sam Clark "manual" says to use Hylomar and that is >> probably what I did several years ago when I built it. Any thoughts? >> >> Allen >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 14:37:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059C42FF5 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:37:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0653942F44; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 05:59:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.91.0.adsl.snet.net [69.0.91.0]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lbdxb-1VdlTf0MHr-00l3aj; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 07:57:18 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: , , , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <21578916.72559.1389064991855.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 07:57:23 -0500 XuoxH5ltGfMsNgYzfsT1tYrWFf8Al9JcJkD+H7v28aQPjCI0j0 leExi016w40eDmId8clpqVSGkL66OvGwuJP77G/GDmsv8YkdAV Cy40mzvIMCJ74uz8gSDIgr6E8aSnkBwXNdNqReS+WbPw2dUS/5 wHU1drN2nn84TUUb1isPTFjTZe6LmMlBZxmMuMp5MIYPxFIAfe 6wv3oBwASqY0LQ3L3Ss/uphF2apquUo5lxuSfsz32MS3Teh9yK fswU9e0/lVqmE4Jev+DIWNjnJr7E985ELxMRMugTqeWJei3VL1 6LduaxxV63neivBrz6iFVGaZR5PZeqYTTCgoVLAXo Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For the Interior Panel Kits that I make (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm) I often asked to match a stock seat color so I send them this picture that shows why you can't match vinyl that's been in the car for a while. New matador versus "aged" matador http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/InteriorPanelSales/Matador%20Red.jpg Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 TR6 modified with: -Throttle Body Injection -Toyota 5 Speed -Nissan Differential -AAW Wire Harness -CVJs... and more -----Original Message----- From: thenicholls@verizon.net Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:23 PM To: robertrudolphi@yahoo.com ; triumphs@autox.team.net ; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Interior Robert, I am not sure why TRF told you that. I can advise that I purchased the New Tan to match my existing interior, and I was surprised how dark the original had gotten over 30+ years. Would be glad to send some pictures if you would like. I would also recommend that if you are not planning on doing the seats yourself, make sure to get some good references or send them to the guy TRF recommends up near them. I wish I had, the way the seats were done originally marked one local British car shop off my list for life, and I had to get an interior person to correct them as best as possible. Glue was used were glue should not have been used. Its a long story. Not all restoration shops are created equal. Craig 72 TR6 On 01/06/14, robert rudolphi wrote: Hi Folks, I am thinking about replacing the interior in my 74 TR6. I want to go with a lighter tan then what came originally but want to stay with the original "diamond" pattern for the seats. The Roadster Factory told me they have nothing, I did get a price from Moss, but wanted to check with the list to see if anyone had any other recommendations. I plan on replacing the complete interior, carpet, panels and seats. Thanks in advance for any advice. Robert ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 12 19:42:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2087342F8A for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:42:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D4B42F8A for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id p9so3035809lbv.33 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:36:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=UXxAGxvweFTjnWAFJUvkYePkKrkXNINF4DggpQfVbcs=; b=o3oqR/g1xRhuDPRZx3OK2rEbd2ksfb7XvBoI0Ck6q+9k9HujPLoagxWVmlg3n/MZ5C RDSMhN92nXgzQ2eXfsYGlDi1VLdgIYeOHE/HKXGcGveiAaZ/c5E90JTDd7slWTOtX/3w bcyRI0unMxM6yt1OFprrffIE/o2eavbpv8KN7/EmxDeC2LK3SZ1m65u9rjYwjYOB+XxK PvNpnRtBUKeNfCpyofrqtBo3Sa+nprGOnEhuaXOyTGxv/qmbI3PQ2qvgugOUEOIuOiPL 2Pvti0U1VZW15C88LNeALaD6gO9EhznNfkkGtd8u9JKUoD6rMCCoRWS012eODWi+RsJc E9Rw== j7mr9587019laf.28.1389580565786; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.99.5 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:35:45 -0800 (PST) References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice> <94BEF46176314BABADF161A1919BE584@HomePC> From: Chris Simo Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:35:45 -0500 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > A carbon fiber sheet might make a neat cover for the glove box door as > well.... Kinda pricey but looks soooo good. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 08:37:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CBB42F18 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:37:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72784287E for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 06:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id rp16so7284442pbb.4 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:05:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7xtYWCaTfgeAWOSwAbqmSJDB9aOctMQWZApK9ncLePs=; b=rSpC75I1PqV9hg1Fi/sEoA8/xwFkn1Lky7TsSdysAyrkZVCTo9ceja/sTYNETWnzKi qnVx7xOZqL+/W7WDKN5PRxjfUnJRlgOP3Kg4m8BF4cEx+yVKXBYACO/Ip5E6mtiAUz+O 4EX+cNTK/pji3c2kJfPw8G5SPS1TJZCUYzzAIL7l/0nAnQqevz7QcSqlAqkh//qBwKA2 jC2Kb82dEjbLS1/AJ1LIeDGhDZROk2Pa6iuQkPpSfHuvBfNx2XlDqAOwbJSsnaozhYfk K668gJ4B5HV+TQmNsaJWfmEWBPznBdrHJM+3a+QWdNNyfRsQ/EuQmP+AfpfU5oGQVY+N JpQQ== vv6mr29652433pab.89.1389618333379; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.85.169 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:05:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:05:33 -0500 From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Rocker shaft replacement - misc notes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter: Some replacement rocker shafts have threaded set screws instead of pressed in plugs. If your rockershaft has the threaded set screws, make sure that the set screws are tight. The setscrews in the shaft I installed earlier this year were only finger tight! Also, make sure to secure the screw that locates the rockershaft to the rear pedestal. The locating screw backed out in mine and the engine lost oil pressure at hot idle - forward rockers ran dry and the shaft and rockers had to be replaced. "Going to replace my rockershaft. Any tips, tricks, looks pretty straight forward except for the end plug. What's a good way to get it out of the old into the new? I assume it is necessary. Thanks to all in advance - lots of great help recently... Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 11:42:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E09942EF3 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:42:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DE64040F for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2014 15:36:37 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2014 15:36:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2014 15:36:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389627397; bh=f7/l4Feu6OlcwqCWdAICMkO6CeITm8gZDF1ZyvzdIm4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=aQOYjsJa/JwGEGnEQiKk5XS3L8Yh6p567+yMJsuiypPD6tuoUlLlCs+ZpZD5pvMOwUrEICVSpLKL/GIER02mFmkrtLTeS4n9ZmIaXftlQQGVk1SKJaV77D7tPm0IAzC/t0EaykkSE4/J3d4oUcdGvaVR4nXT7qFLTj1KUZGfQ9k= 91XodODy1X6TPjcyLCFOl1UAKkc5OWUaGosG2nlbLw2TEnY7n6JAEHmufdZ4 xSsuGuiwac3uhy9IFqCTFzOppy2frjl39mCvBKrGQfNirNpfnusZX4V88KgF od0MfR1MLu409R49y.8Cp.pqHbM3kuNIxMtaSLgavPv1Zpdt4HASCtptZe0W XGgA9EGYHbSSllFsF8qsM6dsbXrqLP5bJk_tupmuXKtr7B5nxK87z4K1FDWs P0MrNLCeHdqoelH3Vgrzsk8uMEFIr0dbMUvHGEwxiwTB6w_Vedo6h1F6dpfR 8W.te2boTA9XTMtfmKIhnGXTrgQ2uxhw2KfD70vZqz7mSd1XelpoCeRRWBJq _3deRce41KCn0t7HihbHLK78WxOrz9ZTwifx3_5kDNQOQ0ySL1Cfh1F6uT0A 7VMRKklxRULwA7MQUwLRJoTUH98Rqm1C21tlwn98TES0LdJpnd_OuV6l1baT CjdnY_iqwJhH2s7B_dE3sqA3TLX1urbjzUJ8pDCsQn4Y.PimOLtPKX1JrDm6 J5LidEyMaHXMqdAZwuUmYiuGS7IijK7JASTmI2.0ylB7UTLcJZABgTxb4VnV FZHYKVpPF6hTY6gD6FAHICh85eDZpdmKjFDxpS6BdCgnEYqyH4wv2E2Xw5Gu A.dxoig-- [98.138.31.74]) by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2014 15:36:37 +0000 UTC From: To: "'Chris Simo'" , "'list Triumph'" References: <18A0BE2545F244BEA8A34B20D1CD7E4D@bboffice><94BEF46176314BABADF161A1919BE584@HomePC> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:36:22 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac8QCL1fTshQL4a+RqavWsAhe0KbSQAaqq1g Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, it does look good. We have a local shop that specializes in some sort of film that they apply and then seal heavily that provide a wide variety of designs, I thought of doing small union jacks. He has done a dash with the carbon fibre look and it does look very real. Thanks to all for the great suggestions, I am sure everyone got some good ideas for the future. At this point I am going to go with an aluminium replacement for the wood cover and have the whole thing powder coated to match the body color. Transport is coming this morning to take Tarbaby to a land far away, sad and sweet all at the same time. I am trying to Keep Calm, but I will Carry On! All the best, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby" '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) www.triumphowners.com/1566 '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 8:36 PM To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Dash Painting/P.Coating > A carbon fiber sheet might make a neat cover for the glove box door as > well.... Kinda pricey but looks soooo good. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 12:43:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A89E42F01 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:43:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CA14006E for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:10:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DS111n0040mlR8UA9U7ZGB; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:07:33 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DU7Z1n0052yr1eL8XU7Z3X; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:07:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:07:32 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: aribert neumann s=q20121106; t=1389629253; bh=m+9a0Ev/DDkq1uajYh2YtNKPWQB/7mMrKnWe4UI4K9k=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=sx2kOuYH67EC92Rj7J1SFAnp2CYXdDdNS68DGxxtLFVDFop/lrC2yQiEFD+dahgcC QKvgFOwmQrj5ZthQNJKdZA+p6fms1lB6kHxjboQ0/Xx8HD9SxrJhq+FHxEV1hi0PA5 sNvjZ04H3g+dWgU8CKBsDVxDH/Sz7NyRlWVYD47CfO0XA+NV7zXjh5tCcfOqeC804y Fjnolx5bsXtkEcvmuSEKXj6TwBbBLyEIwfyXhWhD6Tx5pEm9v7jMtc7XQOTwfV7Wp/ ESyu59Y0rchqihRUJ/ynBdCWgc7QNtbOSMOJ8lzzztD9K57T+2jlwQvW7MKGWXy+as Inp8dum1tO3dw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Rocker shaft replacement - misc notes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, but even further, remove the set / plug screws and thoroughly clean the shaft. I received a new shaft that was full of machining remnants. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "aribert neumann" To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:05:33 AM Subject: [TR] Rocker shaft replacement - misc notes Peter: Some replacement rocker shafts have threaded set screws instead of pressed in plugs. If your rockershaft has the threaded set screws, make sure that the set screws are tight. The setscrews in the shaft I installed earlier this year were only finger tight! Also, make sure to secure the screw that locates the rockershaft to the rear pedestal. The locating screw backed out in mine and the engine lost oil pressure at hot idle - forward rockers ran dry and the shaft and rockers had to be replaced. "Going to replace my rockershaft. Any tips, tricks, looks pretty straight forward except for the end plug. What's a good way to get it out of the old into the new? I assume it is necessary. Thanks to all in advance - lots of great help recently... Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 13:10:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE9640440 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6135403B1 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:22:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [128.104.61.177] (unknown [128.104.61.177]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MZC00C20LDFNW60@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:20:04 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-01-13_02:2014-01-13,2014-01-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1401130094 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:19:58 -0600 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Hardtop Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi James. I don't have the part you're looking for, but I'm curious to know if you're the one who won the recent auction for the surrey top on eBay. I've been kicking myself ever since for not bidding higher on that one! I've also been hoping against hope that the person who won turns out to be a deadbeat bidder. Please put me out of my misery if you're the person who won, and if so, congrats! > Anyone have the original metal bead trim that goes on the surrey hardtop > rear window. This would have been two aluminum pieces with tabs/clips as > joiners. Mine was missing when I got the hardtop. I prefer to use the > original versus the plastic aftermarket stuff. Please contact me off list. > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 18:20:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF374044D for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:20:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E1742823 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:12:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from BobDell (69.0.91.0.adsl.snet.net [69.0.91.0]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MEGcy-1W9Rfz0s9o-00G7nt; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:10:02 -0500 From: "Bob" <75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> To: "Jeffrey Gayton" , References: <10D6BB58-C38D-4A42-8A01-6404D24A521D@icloud.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:10:11 -0500 qdKZhlqW27J+Dzs4G0r3TSuImSaZk1z9OdfaObI2pPb/corMJA mBehpFNN6Rp4GzpaAOPM2uHkHbsgHJBLWGYbuY/naGTBdFF+CL ydf/NsN7YfMYRnpUr6H+7TwE0AyVArTPhQQsKtEjM6upI4jWDK rf/lysXekjUbZOpHX1NHbH4VIWAqkdsM/h/Fcy7yncoNxYRmbC ZZRDKQg0Q7HqEMBguCb0+Z4ziMOHNnw8FrrZbQU/tVIW7SHk3w xWu4syPYp4HPbSe5tjOor247mtBGdoS6Gw58ubAgMDEFVuZTPG 4jdpdJgEan/gFgvLzDbby5PdVpFNdCsSSqEZgWaeu Subject: Re: [TR] Hardtop Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know it went to a guy in The 6-Pack Forum.......... He announced it once the auction ended. Bob Bob Danielson Custom Interiors & Boot Covers http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm Fender Blankets for TR4/250/6/7/8 & MGB http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FenderBlanket.htm -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Gayton Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:19 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Hardtop Part Needed Hi James. I don't have the part you're looking for, but I'm curious to know if you're the one who won the recent auction for the surrey top on eBay. I've been kicking myself ever since for not bidding higher on that one! I've also been hoping against hope that the person who won turns out to be a deadbeat bidder. Please put me out of my misery if you're the person who won, and if so, congrats! > Anyone have the original metal bead trim that goes on the surrey hardtop > rear window. This would have been two aluminum pieces with tabs/clips as > joiners. Mine was missing when I got the hardtop. I prefer to use the > original versus the plastic aftermarket stuff. Please contact me off > list. > Thanks, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 13 22:37:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9CF42F4C for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:37:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56464032C for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:05:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dav21n0060vp7WLAEb3EDv; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:03:14 +0000 Received: from [10.246.93.197] ([174.250.240.239]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Db341n00f5AcndJ8Rb37V5; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:03:12 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:03:12 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1389654194; bh=WjI3JDrk47pEKRRTn7m6HdCpAtUdJYCmER6lAEFFz/o=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AdeXyk9QELkr+zeBSZE7AiWSCPxLEZlUzwBHtsgeP9664dQBYxm1AcWXKEYL6RDX3 2qQw+4ysUWymAV3bJ2q22NyHc/v40oy0E+yaJlUEGpS6Z3WYV4MCs+t/K+lvvWweEb 9+5Tan2syLVRR5NG9+WOJ942z860GtsVgdyiAt4Rf3ThYNsnQtQy5ywEtVyiVhA5mI al0OIC4GHlkOt+OgSKKosbIv4TjdTvjzhDY/ZudWXd51tpVzU2kLSxBacGsoWLbwk0 TiBetYaC2FAmbTBUQbUOUfN/crla/dSHBqnwP9oTVz2mrE4p7nd8KgTaGqQ0GIlWjH A6/5EGEUB9p2g== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Narrow_belt_kits?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Who, besides moss, markets a narrow fanbelt kit for the TR4? I'm putting on a single wire alternator. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 01:58:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818514041C for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 01:58:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C704C403E9 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-DS16 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:00:55 -0800 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:01:06 -0800 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:01:06 -0800 FILETIME=[D7F5E000:01CF10D4] Subject: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will try to keep this brief, but there is a LONG story here that I will share some other time. For reasons I now question, I had XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, CA, rebuild my engine. Jason, the owner said he would give me a good deal and allow me to supply parts. When I picked up the car after 2 months, it started up with 100 psi! Great! By the time I got home - 60 miles of freeway, and yes I did vary speed, the pressure was down to 50 psi and was idling at 10 psi. I called, and after some testy conversations and insulting e-mails, I took the car back up for evaluation. I talked with the mechanic who worked on the engine for about an hour and we discussed the old parts and the old pump and the oil pressure. He felt it was my oil filter, a K&N, he said he had heard that there were occasional problems with the internal relief valve. We changed to a Fram and yes the pressure did pick up about 10 psi! He then told me my rocker shaft was worn and should be replaced and I might be losing pressure there, too. Why it wasn't done during the rebuild instead of polishing the old, is part of the longer story. By the time I got home, same story with the pressure. I did then change out the rocker shaft with a new one with bushed rockers honed to fit the shaft. The old one was noticeably worn and grooved where the rockers had been. When I drove into work this AM, temp in low 30's to low 40's, about 35 mile on the freeway, the pressure was about 5 psi higher. When I drove home, temps in mid 60's, just over 50 psi @ 3200 rpm, When I stopped at the off ramp 10 psi. After I drove the mile home, 12 psi. Yes, we did change the relief valve plunger and spring. Always starts cold at 100 psi. The new oil pump was a NOS AE pump. Thoughts? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 02:26:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F81740423 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 02:26:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1E742982 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:31:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from Home ([70.210.68.8]) by p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id DfV31n0070AiFZS01fV4kL; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:29:05 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:28:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac8Q2H/Nh0umEGb+TJOdtsACBTKM7A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] radiator drains Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know will the later TR4A radiator drain fit the TR3 radiator? Reason is simply cost: $10 versus $24 in the Moss catalog. Thanks for anyone who knows! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 07:12:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF35429B9 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:12:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E62840425 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MZE00ESZ2B0ZC20@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:23:25 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "Peter Arakelian" , "Listers" References: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 06:23:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net clearances where oil escapes the route through the passages (lowers overall pressure) are the lower rod bearing of course, but like the Spit 1500 that is worst of all, the cam shaft journals. Without cam bearings and the cam riding right in the cast iron block the expansion ratios of the metal open up the clearances and allow oil to escape as the car warms up 100 psi is a bit high. The relief should be closer to 80 psi. Have you purged all the air out of your oil pressure gauge line (or is it an electric gauge?) What oil grade/brand are you using? ..can make a BIG difference... synthetics usually run lower pressures when warm, but a fresh build should not be using non-dino oil yet anyway. My own GT6 6 cyl scared me once or twice on long trip/events when at highway speeds I was only getting 30 psi. A filter change (right on the show field) brought the pressure right back up to the usual 50-55 hot at speed, 20-25 at idle. Pop one of the oil gallery set screw plugs out the side of the block and screw a mechanical gauge directly into the block as a secondary test reading apparatus to validate your gauge is not an issue. . Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [TR] oil pressure >I will try to keep this brief, but there is a LONG story here that I will > share some other time. > For reasons I now question, I had XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, CA, > rebuild my engine. Jason, the owner said he would give me a good deal and > allow me to supply parts. When I picked up the car after 2 months, it > started > up with 100 psi! Great! By the time I got home - 60 miles of freeway, and > yes > I did vary speed, the pressure was down to 50 psi and was idling at 10 > psi. I > called, and after some testy conversations and insulting e-mails, I took > the > car back up for evaluation. I talked with the mechanic who worked on the > engine for about an hour and we discussed the old parts and the old pump > and > the oil pressure. He felt it was my oil filter, a K&N, he said he had > heard > that there were occasional problems with the internal relief valve. We > changed to a Fram and yes the pressure did pick up about 10 psi! He then > told > me my rocker shaft was worn and should be replaced and I might be losing > pressure there, too. Why it wasn't done during the rebuild instead of > polishing the old, is part of the longer story. By the time I got home, > same > story with the pressure. I did then change out the rocker shaft with a > new > one with bushed rockers honed to fit the shaft. The old one was > noticeably > worn and grooved where the rockers had been. When I drove into work this > AM, > temp in low 30's to low 40's, about 35 mile on the freeway, the pressure > was > about 5 psi higher. When I drove home, temps in mid 60's, just over 50 > psi @ > 3200 rpm, When I stopped at the off ramp 10 psi. After I drove the mile > home, 12 psi. Yes, we did change the relief valve plunger and spring. > Always > starts cold at 100 psi. The new oil pump was a NOS AE pump. > Thoughts? > Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 08:01:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCADD40442 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:01:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DA140423 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:44:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:53498] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id BB/CA-17435-E8225D25; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:42:06 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Peter Arakelian" , "Listers" References: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 06:42:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Was the crank ground? If so there may have been some grinding swarf left in the oil passages and subsequent damage to the mains and or rod bearings. Recently 2 members of our local club had this issue on TR4 engines. I'd be pulling the pan and looking at the bearings. Or looking for an internal oil leak which might be hard to find. While inside I'd pull the pump and check clearances as well as look for scoring of the rotors and bottom plate. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Peter Arakelian Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:01 PM To: Listers Subject: [TR] oil pressure I will try to keep this brief, but there is a LONG story here that I will share some other time. For reasons I now question, I had XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, CA, rebuild my engine. Jason, the owner said he would give me a good deal and allow me to supply parts. When I picked up the car after 2 months, it started up with 100 psi! Great! By the time I got home - 60 miles of freeway, and yes I did vary speed, the pressure was down to 50 psi and was idling at 10 psi. I called, and after some testy conversations and insulting e-mails, I took the car back up for evaluation. I talked with the mechanic who worked on the engine for about an hour and we discussed the old parts and the old pump and the oil pressure. He felt it was my oil filter, a K&N, he said he had heard that there were occasional problems with the internal relief valve. We changed to a Fram and yes the pressure did pick up about 10 psi! He then told me my rocker shaft was worn and should be replaced and I might be losing pressure there, too. Why it wasn't done during the rebuild instead of polishing the old, is part of the longer story. By the time I got home, same story with the pressure. I did then change out the rocker shaft with a new one with bushed rockers honed to fit the shaft. The old one was noticeably worn and grooved where the rockers had been. When I drove into work this AM, temp in low 30's to low 40's, about 35 mile on the freeway, the pressure was about 5 psi higher. When I drove home, temps in mid 60's, just over 50 psi @ 3200 rpm, When I stopped at the off ramp 10 psi. After I drove the mile home, 12 psi. Yes, we did change the relief valve plunger and spring. Always starts cold at 100 psi. The new oil pump was a NOS AE pump. Thoughts? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 09:28:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1E942EEC for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:28:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6924043D for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.15]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 092DF701B4B83; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-moe004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D751938000081; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:43:45 -0500 (EST) References: To: peterara@msn.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Massey Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m288.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.33) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:43:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:43:45 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1389703425; bh=2aA23bDMlMi0st8D/DRSnIE9ezSO9YY6d05QkDRIAG8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E8mWYAvsKi3pmwK3z1spkWCebg1fu9Pssy7M4aVrY8qDP8/9BYx9OX5hmu79tFo+V Mvo2glRwgHZDoCURfv1oiaGXpVSDgxHt5ACBVqD/0uffftyqBoQaU1wxEPHpZC4QKd TpH66mzrqlegCyU0jGXpre3n8zgUvdf46kAklPbU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc0f52d531015273 Subject: Re: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What weight oil are you running? Those pressures sound doable on an old, tired engine running 20W-50 but on a new engine that seems awfully low. But if he put 5W20 in there these pressures may be normal. You should still be on break-in oil if that is a fresh rebuild, right? Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Peter Arakelian To: Listers Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 2:51 am Subject: [TR] oil pressure I will try to keep this brief, but there is a LONG story here that I will share some other time. For reasons I now question, I had XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, CA, rebuild my engine. Jason, the owner said he would give me a good deal and allow me to supply parts. When I picked up the car after 2 months, it started up with 100 psi! Great! By the time I got home - 60 miles of freeway, and yes I did vary speed, the pressure was down to 50 psi and was idling at 10 psi. I called, and after some testy conversations and insulting e-mails, I took the car back up for evaluation. I talked with the mechanic who worked on the engine for about an hour and we discussed the old parts and the old pump and the oil pressure. He felt it was my oil filter, a K&N, he said he had heard that there were occasional problems with the internal relief valve. We changed to a Fram and yes the pressure did pick up about 10 psi! He then told me my rocker shaft was worn and should be replaced and I might be losing pressure there, too. Why it wasn't done during the rebuild instead of polishing the old, is part of the longer story. By the time I got home, same story with the pressure. I did then change out the rocker shaft with a new one with bushed rockers honed to fit the shaft. The old one was noticeably worn and grooved where the rockers had been. When I drove into work this AM, temp in low 30's to low 40's, about 35 mile on the freeway, the pressure was about 5 psi higher. When I drove home, temps in mid 60's, just over 50 psi @ 3200 rpm, When I stopped at the off ramp 10 psi. After I drove the mile home, 12 psi. Yes, we did change the relief valve plunger and spring. Always starts cold at 100 psi. The new oil pump was a NOS AE pump. Thoughts? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 09:55:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA004040E for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:55:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373AA42A51 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:56855] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id CA/E0-17435-C1135D25; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:44:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:44:14 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Peter Arakelian , Listers References: Subject: Re: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, I am guessing they polished/ground the crankshaft with matching bearings etc. Set the correct end float with thrust washers. Did they fit cam bearings? If not your problem may be here. The 6 engine did not come with cam bearings. So if the cam surfaces on the block are worn or the cam is worn, your pressure problem could be related to this area. I did my own rebuild on my 72 with help from a machine shop. But I did all the re-assembly. Starts up at around 80PSI and when warm drops to 70 PSI at 2k RPM and about 50 PSI at idle. This is after break in using 30W oil. Then engine now has 20/50W Brad Penn. Stock filter setup, original oil pump. In fact the only replacement parts were bearings, rings, gaskets, seals, valve guides, upgraded thrust washers and hardened valve seats for unleaded gas. I had a similar problem with my 58 TR3 before rebuild. Great pressure on startup but after it was warm maybe 40PSI at 3K rpm and maybe 10 at idle. New bearings, reground crankshaft a new cam fixed that problem. Bob On 01/13/2014 10:01 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > I will try to keep this brief, but there is a LONG story here that I will > share some other time. > For reasons I now question, I had XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, CA, > rebuild my engine. Jason, the owner said he would give me a good deal and > allow me to supply parts. When I picked up the car after 2 months, it started > up with 100 psi! Great! By the time I got home - 60 miles of freeway, and yes > I did vary speed, the pressure was down to 50 psi and was idling at 10 psi. I > called, and after some testy conversations and insulting e-mails, I took the > car back up for evaluation. I talked with the mechanic who worked on the > engine for about an hour and we discussed the old parts and the old pump and > the oil pressure. He felt it was my oil filter, a K&N, he said he had heard > that there were occasional problems with the internal relief valve. We > changed to a Fram and yes the pressure did pick up about 10 psi! He then told > me my rocker shaft was worn and should be replaced and I might be losing > pressure there, too. Why it wasn't done during the rebuild instead of > polishing the old, is part of the longer story. By the time I got home, same > story with the pressure. I did then change out the rocker shaft with a new > one with bushed rockers honed to fit the shaft. The old one was noticeably > worn and grooved where the rockers had been. When I drove into work this AM, > temp in low 30's to low 40's, about 35 mile on the freeway, the pressure was > about 5 psi higher. When I drove home, temps in mid 60's, just over 50 psi @ > 3200 rpm, When I stopped at the off ramp 10 psi. After I drove the mile > home, 12 psi. Yes, we did change the relief valve plunger and spring. Always > starts cold at 100 psi. The new oil pump was a NOS AE pump. > Thoughts? > Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 10:15:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803BE40425 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:15:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7D5403B1 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:52:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id m1so9549684oag.16 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:49:35 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EwKK8H2kUtf8ZALyJsH7Imk2eTET6tzFSp5IGSfRohc=; b=AyNJP4Q0bbEKLGlPpVUOsM0GGtgnRX3PrQAcefp/letT/k/EQp8bWBnJn8UVAb0ooK 1FMuNKWGEUxsfN2CsDzcEZhK2x3K4eTy5k874wZ/Wkd3/yclHi3KY+is0xAlAaDnqnpK 9cCZob9lmTWwFiR6ocBnB6QgQ0mUW4J07852S78Y5xnI3Ju5PgAkwnXdgh/SN40i9Y+l xi1+xXBp/JAkT3HRGRrCzz1m0h/lFzqAbnZiXs6O/ZsFjZvNjrFRNj7/Q2kINuQqpUx2 kDVlytahA5TJUJFD+aveF2hEEnuENPQNM/r7y4eqv6pUsmCHxEgPHA1Zf2EA9gl19seE /Nag== mi10mr869016oeb.57.1389703774936; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hl3sm422116obb.0.2014.01.14.04.49.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jan 2014 04:49:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:49:32 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20140114054432.DC633403F5@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Narrow belt kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/13/14, 4:03 PM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > Who, besides moss, markets a narrow fanbelt kit for the TR4? I'm putting on a single wire alternator. > > British Frame & engine, Racetorations, Rivinton and Morgan motors of New England immediately come to mind & I'm sure there are others. Morgan spares of New England has a very nice alternator conversion kit for the TR engine. I have one of hose in my TR3. Why a single wire alternator? Do you have something against having a functional gen light? It lets you know when you have broken a fan belt a lot faster that the water temp gauge does. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 11:05:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF074041E for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:04:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FF40423 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 06:04:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-DS12 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:01:49 -0800 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:01:49 -0800 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 05:01:49 -0800 FILETIME=[C9C700A0:01CF1128] Subject: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the responses, so far...it has 20W-50 Castrol in it. The crank was turned, plastigauged, I believe they told be .002. Rods reblt, mains align bored. Common thing mentioned by respondents that was not done, as far as I know, is the cam journals. We did not check clearance on new pump, not sure if they were checked before installation. Will contact them again and see where we go from here. Thanks so far, if you have more, keep it coming. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 14 12:38:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7FC4040A for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:38:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C4640423 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 06:35:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20140114133251.VPKL24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:32:51 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id DpYr1n00W1UBpzb05pYr8h; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:32:51 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=v2tUs90Dap4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=BZu2thHwODC9_GKb-PMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=fwOZGzlu4mVPseQt:21 a=3qb849poYh7p0wmZ:21 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Peter Arakelian'" , "'Listers'" References: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:32:50 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIIgOgXKNR6HM42ZAEuwn7zl90riJoRVcPg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pete - 100 psi sounds quite high for a cold start. I wonder if the relief valve is operating correctly including sticking at either end of its travel. Did you verify these pressures with a good quality master gauge? If not, try to find a gauge with a 270 degree scale that tops out at about 125 psi. A 10 psi difference based on a filter change seems odd. I don't know where the oil pressure gauge picks up its reading - is it before or after the filter? I think I saw in a previous listing that some other NOS pumps had an excessive clearance between the sides of the gears and the cover plate. The pump that I bought from TRF made a tremendous difference in an otherwise average condition engine. Hot idle pressure went from 10 psi to better than 20 psi. I think it was an import, but not from the UK. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:01 PM To: Listers Subject: [TR] oil pressure I will try to keep this brief, but there is a LONG story here that I will share some other time. For reasons I now question, I had XK's Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, CA, rebuild my engine. Jason, the owner said he would give me a good deal and allow me to supply parts. When I picked up the car after 2 months, it started up with 100 psi! Great! By the time I got home - 60 miles of freeway, and yes I did vary speed, the pressure was down to 50 psi and was idling at 10 psi. I called, and after some testy conversations and insulting e-mails, I took the car back up for evaluation. I talked with the mechanic who worked on the engine for about an hour and we discussed the old parts and the old pump and the oil pressure. He felt it was my oil filter, a K&N, he said he had heard that there were occasional problems with the internal relief valve. We changed to a Fram and yes the pressure did pick up about 10 psi! He then told me my rocker shaft was worn and should be replaced and I might be losing pressure there, too. Why it wasn't done during the rebuild instead of polishing the old, is part of the longer story. By the time I got home, same story with the pressure. I did then change out the rocker shaft with a new one with bushed rockers honed to fit the shaft. The old one was noticeably worn and grooved where the rockers had been. When I drove into work this AM, temp in low 30's to low 40's, about 35 mile on the freeway, the pressure was about 5 psi higher. When I drove home, temps in mid 60's, just over 50 psi @ 3200 rpm, When I stopped at the off ramp 10 psi. After I drove the mile home, 12 psi. Yes, we did change the relief valve plunger and spring. Always starts cold at 100 psi. The new oil pump was a NOS AE pump. Thoughts? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 01:04:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC6A40401 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:04:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81A840432 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:43:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY406-EAS6 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:40:49 -0800 References: <20140114053038.08EA340325@autox.team.net> From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:40:48 -0600 To: "spook01@comcast.net" FILETIME=[4ABBC4F0:01CF1171] Cc: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Narrow belt kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bastuck in Germany manufactures a nice kit. At one time I think BPNorthwest carried some of Bastuck's products, might be worth checking with them Randy Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2014, at 11:28 PM, "spook01@comcast.net" wrote: > > Who, besides moss, markets a narrow fanbelt kit for the TR4? I'm putting on a single wire alternator. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 03:06:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B9C40514 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 03:06:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D80403D0 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:03:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 00:01:03 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.246] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 00:01:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 00:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 53641 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2014 00:01:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389744062; bh=JQs9yl22AjzmtoKedRXcqV3babm46IU+SIYUvzZ3x+g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dvc7lUMelplgX3DOcZupyVx57V7vAKmIZ1iHhQnYLybDlMRL1M7QCBW3NHYsERetsBFmct6TZkn+pD917S2K/2PHepmtR1uBYyh60d6rVQD/TGkr1KB9Zrrm5FN0oY0jibZt2Ktru/o19hZUUbJloRWh/nnPM4arGtewTWQ7MmQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SnMccE1ytXjfsx2ihEq25UzSagGA0Kf8zDmhdv/yKceUzEAqT+eRnSiUY9OGdIuJU7e8v1Ysw1cEIXy4QCNj1kY7sn93MF1mN+Bg+XFtMqUOtdDn4ObY8cMS7/jur2aNpp43hdoWxpBE3lRcqSzI85cFVdMHz4k46Z9hpqxhvv4=; aPL6iahbqk5VIjEwlh28nJO4ChwZpJIStPOGsn1SzZ1QjbQafy7tnuwygYfw yUnJTLnjgrFUA1Dwut5jGiktJABxTJUIXGRkEYy3NmS1SAqewdJ6YKAXbyw5 .HdeCqCJiXnC7TZZeTt908T5jjbVZ50g5Tr4Nep.t_61bayNX2FZ655MghDV kOXA4l_3ewzSsXroO9J1zwLYK9rn6iwkx_vSrUKXZJSoe8zdRbZ70NBncBMw 2qpGDlpXEXz0w3_Q8vL4nRppu0xPfVRfr3FDaBS8IITZ4yODP8mr4XN4HXBy SUWUnNKxGeZQ2hHTcca7cl4XDZEzT2fq8rVjyFWOgxDLcM8PNRfgUqDt6Zov G7AeEs689l5rWQk3V7rVY6QsUw74bagwOEF6Dbn_aWvD7CurOIyuWjqq3eHU SQkGSsHMFpFxcJiW4gz1fTcV5LGRLMPRW5zmV18zydckhyRAr05a8uI0K_uo jMUuz1SX1mBakXTI96R.StnH.1GvIOsvH5pB.f.hFUZjGS0IA78oSNim3y35 9Vx8OWqNAoA0VYyw7xTfezcaIFPRQEzYObBM- Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:01:02 PST QmVmb3JlIEkgbWFkZSB0aGUgZWZmb3J0IHRvIGRyb3AgdGhlIG9pbCBwYW4gSSB3b3VsZCByZXBsYWNlIHRoZSBjaGVjayB2YWx2ZSBhbmQgc3ByaW5nIGV2ZW4gdGhvdWdoIHlvdSByZXBsYWNlZCB0aGVtIG9uY2UgYWxyZWFkeS7CoCBJIHdvdWxkIHBheSBwYXJ0aWN1bGFyIGF0dGVudGlvbiB0byB0aGUgYmFsbCBzZWF0IGluIHRoZSBmaWx0ZXIgaGVhZCB0byBiZSBzdXJlIHRoYXQgdGhlcmUgaXMgbm90IGEgYnVyciBvciBzb21lIHN3YXJmIGluIHRoZXJlIGhvbGRpbmcgdGhlIHZhbHZlIG9wZW4gYSBiaXQBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: Q To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Before I made the effort to drop the oil pan I would replace the check valve and spring even though you replaced them once already. I would pay particular attention to the ball seat in the filter head to be sure that there is not a burr or some swarf in there holding the valve open a bit. I have heard some stories of defective springs that were not properly heat treated, the warm engine effected the spring tension. You might want to use another gauge as well just to be sure you are getting the same readings. Of course if it was my car it would never be something that simple. I'd have porous crankshaft that only leaked at high rpm when the moon was full which was impossible to replicate out of the car or some other exotic malady. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 07:12:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E66440524 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:12:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083B9403B1 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 05:00:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.112] by nm41.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 04:57:41 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.175] by tm103.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 04:57:41 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.236] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 04:57:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 04:57:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 73968 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2014 04:57:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389761861; bh=MMMtVgTgbwETaoB8okdH6sWedkJZIMC+0uEkEPkH63c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IMjNI4oRxlOdwekgREtsfOZF5kv4dVkgqenDntT/0J7kieG0FKZtttjJ5oUwhLLh7FKAJ7QUO/rASqgAY/ZAA3dq7cZYDNTObaEmQ5eRzjOlcjrIfyHV25rKF+ST5gFVUqDddwgDzMIuePKrQmD501tK68lfTzPm3EzamXGC0Ws= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eZPs2x4u8+LL83tCdOagQvs3ksESjh4v01ys50NJpjJKnTiz08egy24McFI+y76Hz6YrJeutS5+nffkB+hnRAnN5bqD784xDQgvpVvtiCct3FQrnSYxLf0uQcH/2iYLSoTjB0EuTu5DZZSHs7lpwDpuDmsHZ0kWfJUrmrBfSRbo=; CYB4MuP8ZM3byJDYWhlRL337o9eUgMD.Zzmv64yqnYTJ0wnwsgdR0nH76lzj 9xWsmdOy9CxD432aPHhIfCwGQM8wz5pz6B3JZDrRr8eLKzYXGRGvfFYwvoMk kw8rgSwYZCy2UGyQbFJCBqV05HYAmN_2GugQDsGEIxZ_AyWjd6iYlmaXa4Ec uCArKycA7vkXEe7nXCjjvgqDxjJfcrEgkVhmTaYYkWL_cNF2.ALDP63oeAoo ruSbOYvbcXhtf46XkV0iewfILpqhAnNSC31ywK8OkPSl0MxPq1Fyk3p_0I_t hBFJNxPuj54tYahkzuMY5thgS0XI1ork3E63jafz2WVCrAbR4VqV0Cfd.YrY cL6RCVV.f_jZmppS.OBFteG4G2xF5aG3h0WEsno5kYWA8RPvknuC5NgeiQnK E1jdF5nBuXGtowg26roJHZE_jrOf2Nmc95cD5LIlQkr3CMp59m3FITj1JWjc kxzgz7i0ocWQj5i0hCFAKsILa_Y5Z2ZQGFNIpFsCY6UOZvoAGqMSNN1T6KZ. 9QVEV_EiklQ-- Received: from [75.32.236.73] by web181501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:57:41 PST VGhlIDEwMCBwc2kgb2lsIHByZXNzdXJlIHdoZW4gdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBhbmQgb2lsIGFyZSBjb2xkIGFyZSBhbiBpbmRpY2F0aW9uIHRoYXQgdGhlIHJlbGllZiB2YWx2ZSBvcGVuIGF0IDEwMCBwc2kuIApXaGVuIHRoZSBlbmdpbmUgYW5kIG9pbCB3YXJtIHVwIGlmIHRoZSBvaWwgcHJlc3N1cmUgZHJvcHMgYmVsb3cgMTAwIHBzaSB0aGVuIGVpdGhlciAoYSkgdGhlIHJlbGllZiB2YWx2ZSBpcyBzdGlja2luZyBvcGVuwqAgb3IgKGIpIHRoZSBwdW1wIGNhbm5vdCBzdXBwbHkgc3VmZmljaWVudCBvaWwgZmxvdy4BMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Stuart Greenwood To: "peterara@msn.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The 100 psi oil pressure when the engine and oil are cold are an indication that the relief valve open at 100 psi. When the engine and oil warm up if the oil pressure drops below 100 psi then either (a) the relief valve is sticking open or (b) the pump cannot supply sufficient oil flow. I presume that the oil pressure drops from 100 psi to 50 psi as the engine warms up, say 5 minutes after the coolant temp has stabilized. It is difficult to pin point the problem because it would appear that the engine rebuild might not have been performed to a decent quality standard. I have no knowledge of the TR6 engine but on engines that I have rebuilt there are blanking plugs that seal of the oil passages after they have been drilled during manufacture and, if you are not diligent and not familiar with the engine, these came easily be left out. This would necessarily cause an external oil leak , for instance oil could be escaping into the timing chain case. I would start with the simplest thing. Remove and inspect the relief valve for signs of the piston sticking in the bore. If you are convinced this is not the problem then you are faced with tearing the engine down... but make sure you do it yourself : don't entrust it to a shop no matter how highly recommended Stuart A Greenwood 71 MK I Stag 71 MK IV Spitfire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 07:40:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D544040D for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:40:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECE440401 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 06:06:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 06:06:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 06:06:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389765960; bh=abpnhCPiy6cZyikiu56qrVgkvSzCEqJwKgwnX62AAl4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=dUXzb3Ktsf6ZF6HL8Wf2q6UcOCuNhYXj3+W2hbZDN8HkdfXI4Eq0iAe34lTy+eNvCLV8TzJvgEfmp0RSFvF1Sv4J7+Fr8JgP/Yc9eFw/6gJBmpXBQT5PQIsZhd8xJioinGfqQtbPp5CB3ZS1BjUSlMXRvOjWmKnjhjl00gSitGo= x74gCf0GtIEbbPpYD3ggYEbzVI7On2e9PbWlqhVEUcUvLrgBlwC.m.1iVfO8 Kjug9Mh31D5YCrExNKTCB5qMW0M.s9bePv9n06dr4PZMnx4.0QpZfuck_9iq 8luvUjmDA0Z3F0Ff_F_7WHIh1UaFYCuZ_ykrkd2aqkq_xpGZGFCE71JiFgbf Dztqz59.30W5hSncJ0nEqP76fuA0dBkkz5Zljc7oSLrJjXJJoe8GmBBrDvWa YOTq7UVN8eywdAzMmtJ9xjc7f6CrSe4oa6jodEQgZ__sNUqgWoGiHdCXLHY5 tuz.mmSlt3KQZNa33nCK7Phd_uh3eAu2nnOIrNhUhoE7o33p4G.O.JAbkln8 BfsxBBWvkKKaExD_8gIwZJjetf4oiHm5aPDCFhe8oAwCiAyF_v6XDvUTRCf9 VQEeqcYy.QMwU1q1.AFR6bBZSxsy_5Fsp9OQdIf90VZu0UoDb3.iogrq5J4y ofDoxTDAIAr969E84hglVijMGHkixsOIXTAiq3gU1vSSeWBCBJUORNCIMVGJ wvk7Wdo2prQM- [98.138.31.74]) by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2014 06:06:00 +0000 UTC From: To: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:06:13 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac8Rt+O8LzAGpiRNS1u35rbJbJLfqQ== Subject: [TR] Jaeger clock in a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently took a good look at the clock I removed from the glove box door and noticed that was made by the Jaeger Watch Co. of W. York. Were these ever offered as options on a TR3? As it was a rather inelegant installation I just assumed that some DPO had installed it. Of course the real question is, Does it have any value? Bill Bill Beecher '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" "Keep Calm and Carry On" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 11:39:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D01403D5 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:39:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35350403FB for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 05:40:21 -0700 (MST) a=lfDgAArgLz5v2z1hlXFdwA==:17 a=qBqOgKIwwcsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=HeG88eb3RqEA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=dnRBZMSOgCwA:10 a=Ncn_RocuAAAA:8 a=iMSj3xQcAAAA:8 a=09yxei17JulY0dkk3kQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=l49K2kjxAEIA:10 a=nZCp16mobLMA:10 a=1W9S4q5Jsc8RBlcBjXYA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=lfDgAArgLz5v2z1hlXFdwA==:117 Received: from [72.188.40.200] ([72.188.40.200:2181] helo=[192.168.1.14]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/C1-11872-D0186D25; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:37:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:37:40 -0500 From: Joseph Burlein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Triumph List References: <52D479DB.8000508@cfl.rr.com> Subject: [TR] Fwd: Evaporative piping placement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am sealing up my 1972 TR6 from timing cover to diff seal. So with everything pulled out of the car I've been checking things over. One of the problem areas I found was a routing problem with the nylon piping from the carbon canister to the tank pipe. It has been melted because it was not snapped to the clips with the fuel pipe. You can see how it should be run by looking on page 19 in the Blue Book (http://trf.zeni.net/TR6bluebook/inde...zoom=1&page=25 ). That is the correct page for the piping run in a 72. The 72 and 71 were the same except for that expansion tank. Here are my questions: 1) How does it exit the tank and route to the clips on the frame? The parts manual and my car show the edge finisher in place. I'd assume it should run behind the cross member and then to the chassis rail due to the manual picture and the rail finisher being attached here. 2) In the attached picture (found here: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?94583-Evaporative-piping-placement), what is the mounting bracket used for where the pipes are currently zip tied? Is it left over from another application? I can't seem to find anything in the parts book that mentions it. On another note, the nylon piping is no longer from TRF/Moss/etc. I found some 1/4 inch diameter nylon piping for air brakes at O'Reilly's Auto Parts. They can sell it in 1' increments for about $0.59. Thanks in advance, Joe B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 13:10:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FCA403C6 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:10:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B6E403F7 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 05:41:25 -0700 (MST) a=lfDgAArgLz5v2z1hlXFdwA==:17 a=qBqOgKIwwcsA:10 a=RBGVbCpspLQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=HeG88eb3RqEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=JTCDhKpYRawA:10 a=HDMqBikmCIJLKqrVbhUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lfDgAArgLz5v2z1hlXFdwA==:117 Received: from [72.188.40.200] ([72.188.40.200:2182] helo=[192.168.1.14]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C9/24-00728-35186D25; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:38:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:38:50 -0500 From: Joseph Burlein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Triumph List References: <52D4792F.8040807@cfl.rr.com> Subject: [TR] Fwd: Original color parts questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While resealing the engine I am pulling out various bits and repainting them. I have most of the original colors from the TEAM/SOL list but there a few I am not sure about. They are all black parts but I'm not sure which black; matte, satin, semi, or gloss. Anyone with an original car out there able to help out? Fan extension and crankshaft pulley (I'm sure they are "engine black" per an old John Mac email, but what glossiness is that?!) Transmission mounting bracket (looks like it was originally gloss) Engine mounts Timing chain cover Oil pan (looks like it was gloss at one time but not sure) Front cross member Also, is the frame a satin/semi-gloss? I also seem to remember an old email about what bolts were painted over which ones were not. I "think" it was anything "structural" (IE: fenders, doors, etc.) was painted over at the factory. Anything else was not. Do I remember that correctly? Thanks in advance, Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 15:52:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F140403EA for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:52:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD30403D7 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:24:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id y1so1485224lam.41 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:21:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e4mAWt6Oil5ar6RYle30IAszs+yJJwl+wCGJzbQUsrU=; b=SlGyvji2xsEGXImeSPvmbg04EaiBT4gQec1OzzKmaL7X/eBvYr3fXEJO0BNnszWXEa 9xgJ7oOwNiIJPR/cj4rDXs3ymmOLaCX9UqHzCesXgZQ6TQggz4sKu6ZatTXipCWMntTg vdrtCWDh0442NoCtzEVNsKY0WQzkSaY+g+7gaQ0GwpRBhaKXk/yCufMDlvf/4KbrJRUC IGHOoxQgweyme9OalP/BLeawIpjx39fGVUh+IHhrByWcyPeRGlBf1JY0f9RBbcTo64V+ RyHCtW2MUy7ks+pLHlFsx27XPgV6mklnVPrd/MAn8P/lvVbLm+/ihX8UcdN6SY24wHWp M+pw== pp6mr1594784lac.46.1389799305904; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.104.134 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:21:45 -0800 (PST) References: <161F912F44C34D7EAC0E6D8884821126@bboffice> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:21:45 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bill_Beecher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Jaeger clock in a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill -- Do you have any more info or a photo? Can you tell whether it ran off of 12VDC or used a strange small battery? There is a guy who converts clocks (mostly from Jaguars which commonly had them) to modern quartz movements that use 12VDC or a AA battery while retaining the original external appearance. Geo On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM, wrote: > I recently took a good look at the clock I removed from the glove box door > and noticed that was made by the Jaeger Watch Co. of W. York. Were these > ever offered as options on a TR3? As it was a rather inelegant > installation > I just assumed that some DPO had installed it. > > Of course the real question is, Does it have any value? > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 16:36:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91167403F7 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:36:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CD74296E for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:32:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:39700] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 61/5E-17253-B88A6D25; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:26:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:26:05 -0500 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: bill_beecher@flash.net, triumphs@autox.team.net References: <161F912F44C34D7EAC0E6D8884821126@bboffice> Subject: Re: [TR] Jaeger clock in a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I have had one of those for as long as I can remember. A few years ago, I hooked it up to 12V and to my surprise it worked. I though about making a bezel for it but couldn't decide on "A" what car to use it or "B" where to mount the clock. So it sits in a box somewhere. I have never seen a clock in a TR3, 4, 250, 6 or Spitfire. Maybe a Stag? I think mine came from a Jaguar sedan. Bob On 01/15/2014 01:06 AM, bill_beecher@flash.net wrote: > I recently took a good look at the clock I removed from the glove box door > and noticed that was made by the Jaeger Watch Co. of W. York. Were these > ever offered as options on a TR3? As it was a rather inelegant installation > I just assumed that some DPO had installed it. > > Of course the real question is, Does it have any value? > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 18:24:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DFA403EE for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:24:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC789403D7 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.100.118] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 16:25:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.58] by tm109.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 16:25:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2014 16:25:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1389803155; bh=Ge8mHFHmQz3aEW5P/Wwxpr9mPN5M5/cb2CuzgOdClSM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=EFIXEURoTdtQf7EawSKTSsS91jU2RoSmRhbRgCNuNJJV5Z4XBZILvdzDjbQllw8tujSVPv+YEcA2qh99L1nZ1uYsHvZyWm1GU9fc5qYq/xbj0zzAFggamyCWZ0ZEIubzzZa2jyGWt1hr60BugjF9AJdnqGWs4rVt2tL/vjYy2j0= slGjT7dC2tKZ2ugC4XXGUl1uO2NsPa1ToHmMbwV4LvuLjDhShqJIIpUuXVWk ueeWO.2VaomnUJy6RWRtC7b7cAet1GtD3Bs3j_SCZ8lmVisCVqlCk2mqcoct tKp_xWfYhwn2WaN7I2jrA5wIQlggW2hEo6yBIIkdIqOq3IR4fquZP6pq2fhs Zw7Io1ZXMJ_1mbccgzCaJFZoSpUxz9rOg5.Ko97f3MGj.UsA6QJLSnqkDKrK UNA5ZrTUZRgMC6kY9lTinGoIepAhgj2lV9r1uN87BcYyyPRdgPXeUzz8qj3v I4FU0uhq826i6t.3Wv38_csw0.sA2Q1.dOjkJ5EH9malq5mVAS6yv5xN5Y82 Mvq8gsYiR3ZOEJEt3FYCUaKXxitsgB_1qvCYmcw7FUMK4nRGmp0keXdjd7VY XULgVPPRX2141Y0s0UPE4BZ7xECu6qyoEN888_Itlvat_P9smb6hmFmjcWY2 1NKLLrQDyxkmTxXvQwI7f80UeVgDTnxnW_Tx9vljxsE3BFRlHD2mxySXUKul AckzHWs7e3mjITdXert8VLG1JFO3hvxYF.5q0wn7fM0CVZkOIiSrwTrhqDqh 1j5OeYIL5ygM- plain [98.138.105.21]) by smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2014 16:25:52 +0000 UTC References: <161F912F44C34D7EAC0E6D8884821126@bboffice> From: Bill Beecher Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:25:49 -0600 To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Jaeger clock in a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'll send a photo to you. I would assume it is 12v from the car as the appropriate posts are on the back along with a hole for an instrument light. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: Bill -- Do you have any more info or a photo? Can you tell whether it ran off of 12VDC or used a strange small battery? There is a guy who converts clocks (mostly from Jaguars which commonly had them) to modern quartz movements that use 12VDC or a AA battery while retaining the original external appearance. Geo > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM, wrote: > I recently took a good look at the clock I removed from the glove box door > and noticed that was made by the Jaeger Watch Co. of W. York. Were these > ever offered as options on a TR3? As it was a rather inelegant installation > I just assumed that some DPO had installed it. > > Of course the real question is, Does it have any value? > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 19:14:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9898D403EA for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:14:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A564044B for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:40:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.176]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E0CB870000085 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dlc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.69]) by mtaomg-mbe02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A372E38000082 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:37:47 -0500 (EST) References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:37:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:37:47 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1389807467; bh=vguORVY1RAaGL1w2+cUb1HHhZ2hcxLJQZkIkdMWpbnM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ThEdeIO3ca9lnsaTZ1MvQT1xLmQhJHfQ5q/us9NPeJxqozqdNYNT2hO1j2fH1F/sD 6mn6Q60arROFThTfg4vQ5GdMHMshJo2lI4sLlwus6CRIYPPdJeG6WcytBTk8gwvca2 68EAe1iWCNmkyvOnAD6Mo9PWLcx5GPiMKuVPt+ow= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeb052d6c76b22ce Subject: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Evans waterless coolant is getting a lot of press recently. I'm reluctant to use it because it doesn't mix with water, I drive long distances from home, and probably won't find Evans on the shelf in East Podunk when I develop a leak. I carry enough spares and tools now and don't want to carry another gallon of liquid. What is the Collective List Opinion of this stuff? George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 15 20:35:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1318403ED for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:35:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32150403BC for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EHK71n0021zF43QA7J2PfW; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:02:23 +0000 Received: from [10.243.16.20] ([174.232.131.252]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EJ2D1n00B5StSSu8kJ2Ge1; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:02:20 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:02:20 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1389808943; bh=mjCcTEnf5038HYN+UkQD6RH31s4Epb/hjpyucoCCIP0=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WR/B5+8EyR2LfBxvEhXlwuoE0xZ7ZklAq5fRNmoshx6938eena+UzLMvwB1tQ49mH t0Y5AK6slYtWT/Jb83PytlONTNifo8fpDdAsrxfqAI9fLx1JLYwFTNNY9bWF3GS2f+ oUDjIE3mUj4/5zaiELrdXcLdrGb9pBwr5s/ZYDY2jW39Yp/VYQA5SBIekEVfdUwEF3 n7lResuNm1Y3BKSAPms0ydpFwdWVrhtm15xszmRgSDOrXtDsRBWDOktQNFmXHZ6PD/ y1PDwJoWuodzP1/DGc6i0bXTlznfCmAxrTDrh1l0TSFREF2QGsYWW+4l9K+CmdowyH BkfI3whwd5SNg== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR2_wanted_for_concours?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If any of you are interested in displaying your TR2 or 3 in an invitation only (yes, its free and you get a REAL goodies bag) concours show in the middle of the country, call 870-780-5871. Their acquisitions guy contacted me, so don't press me for details. But they're looking for top flight cars. We took the MG M-type last year. Nice crystal trophy, great weekend. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 03:42:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DD3403F1 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:42:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A10C403DD for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:39:52 -0700 (MST) a=lfDgAArgLz5v2z1hlXFdwA==:17 a=qBqOgKIwwcsA:10 a=0F2a1Yxxsg4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=HeG88eb3RqEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=OezZCoTJx4cA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=iYqsGK_GWDXg6rK9F34A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=lfDgAArgLz5v2z1hlXFdwA==:117 Received: from [72.188.40.200] ([72.188.40.200:1087] helo=[192.168.1.14]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 87/68-00728-F8D07D25; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:37:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:37:09 -0500 From: Joseph Burlein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Triumph List References: <52D4792F.8040807@cfl.rr.com> <52D6815A.9050404@cfl.rr.com> Subject: [TR] TR6 Original color parts questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, for a 72 TR6. On 1/15/2014 7:38 AM, Joseph Burlein wrote: > While resealing the engine I am pulling out various bits and repainting > them. I have most of the original colors from the TEAM/SOL list but > there a few I am not sure about. They are all black parts but I'm not > sure which black; matte, satin, semi, or gloss. Anyone with an original > car out there able to help out? > > Fan extension and crankshaft pulley (I'm sure they are "engine black" > per an old John Mac email, but what glossiness is that?!) > > Transmission mounting bracket (looks like it was originally gloss) > > Engine mounts > > Timing chain cover > > Oil pan (looks like it was gloss at one time but not sure) > > Front cross member > > Also, is the frame a satin/semi-gloss? > > > I also seem to remember an old email about what bolts were painted over > which ones were not. I "think" it was anything "structural" (IE: > fenders, doors, etc.) was painted over at the factory. Anything else was > not. Do I remember that correctly? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/joseph.burlein@cfl.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 05:22:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3861640528 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 05:22:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49B2403C6 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:45:52 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=GpPO1-FTH-UA:10 a=zo6_9u56ue91gr8Eq6MA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=mIv_wq1qP0wA:10 a=_wW4vpAKhY4A:10 a=y39esTi0mrZmY3GbTNZSyg==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.109] ([10.127.132.109:60475] helo=cdptpa-web18-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 03/73-00728-B1B27D25; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 00:43:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 0:43:07 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [TR] Jaeger clock in a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have never seen a clock in a TR3, 4, 250, 6 or Spitfire. Maybe a Stag? Stags did come with clocks, but marked either Kienzle or Smiths I believe. Never seen one with a Jaeger clock. And many folks replace them with oil pressure gauges. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 06:35:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1544403F8 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:35:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFC6403EE for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:35:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ESYy1n00X4oFfFQ01SYzNe; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:32:59 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net sooner or later your coolant will end up on the ground. -----Original Message----- From: George Haynes Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:37 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Evans waterless coolant is getting a lot of press recently. I'm reluctant to use it because it doesn't mix with water, I drive long distances from home, and probably won't find Evans on the shelf in East Podunk when I develop a leak. I carry enough spares and tools now and don't want to carry another gallon of liquid. What is the Collective List Opinion of this stuff? George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 07:02:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2974053A for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:02:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952EA403E8 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:35:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:50908] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A3/B4-17435-7D447D25; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 02:32:55 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: , "George Haynes" References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:32:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Traditional antifreeze and water have been around a long time, I don't see a need to change from something that is easy to obtain just about anywhere. JVV -----Original Message----- From: George Haynes Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:37 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Evans waterless coolant is getting a lot of press recently. I'm reluctant to use it because it doesn't mix with water, I drive long distances from home, and probably won't find Evans on the shelf in East Podunk when I develop a leak. I carry enough spares and tools now and don't want to carry another gallon of liquid. What is the Collective List Opinion of this stuff? George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 08:35:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F373F403F8 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:35:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795E0403EB for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i11so2251869oag.7 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:16:05 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-language :thread-index; bh=3RT6arU3Vwf1FdyISjHgA9faBKabkLqdJ79LGK9Gs0w=; b=P4jt//e4GntFEtPcncQqY/lqDO1uZtFCCjEL3ClbbjJ7TWT//9ao12IuljE5qayOjA TXd+wfO58f6OvOXVEpUQnW8xJVg42RGZukP2eiFUpQAqrnHtlVIChqORGIOPfEn3e7QI FetcLCQz+hEU+1nRr/fvxAg2htFi2hh3/PoG7RgqRFMk/2sR0jc+nOYcrrI1CBypSi8Z NZVU/pmO434Wg+BXB/xNyydU3b4m3LZbi9sAWNQ1LpB+NK1QtIi/Pr8V227R9pRvmsxn Hf1c2Ba7ZFqwnfI5XdcUagYFsBT+f+3lWT7ggtt0TDTPfGefm4MUPhVkY013K6RWABra oNdw== y3mr4844927obg.55.1389842165519; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip174-64-118-93.ga.at.cox.net. [174.64.118.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c6sm7813086oeu.6.2014.01.15.19.16.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:16:04 -0800 (PST) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'George Haynes'" , References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:16:09 -0500 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AQFbcUypOK+ExpkXg4VXRoRRdei3TQJA24gqm1voW5A= Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I saw this used on an episode of Wheeler Dealers when they were redoing a TR6. I like the idea of never having to change coolant and plan to use on my TR4 project. The engine is fresh from a rebuild and hasn't had water put in, so I don't have to do the prep to eliminate the water. Count me in and I usually keep a gallon of antifreeze in the trunk when traveling anyways. Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Haynes Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:38 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Evans waterless coolant is getting a lot of press recently. I'm reluctant to use it because it doesn't mix with water, I drive long distances from home, and probably won't find Evans on the shelf in East Podunk when I develop a leak. I carry enough spares and tools now and don't want to carry another gallon of liquid. What is the Collective List Opinion of this stuff? George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trguy75@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 11:49:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C534A40415 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:49:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE23403F3 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:17:44 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=qqE5i04Dsf8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=WSh7eJ0MtsUA:10 a=sCFpihoBQ3sAVd7w7IEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 05/3C-11872-2E877D25; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:14:58 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:14:56 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8SYH2TGaMfmv/aQue3stPEvoybOQAID9Iw Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can achieve much the same effect (although more toxic) by running pure regular (not pre-mix) antifreeze. Engine will run hot as hell (glycol is not as effective a coolant as either water or water/glycol mixture); but will not boil over (pure AF doesn't boil until almost 400F even without a pressure cap). I tried it, many many years ago, with a TR3A that would simply not stay cool at freeway speeds. Worked great for about 1.5 years, then the engine spit most of it's guts out the tailpipe. Dad (who was driving at the time) said it looked like a cloud of car parts, chasing him down the highway. Spent most of my winter break, dragging it home and rebuilding the engine while lying in the snow. Even though the coolant was not to blame for the swallowed valve, I won't be trying that again! I now believe that the overheating was caused by the mixture going way lean at cruise (caused either by worn jets in the carbs, or flow "improvements" made by a DPO), which also caused the exhaust valve stems to erode. Flame plus oxygen equals cutting torch. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 17:19:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF1C42B12 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:19:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7032403F1 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:32:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id l18so3248765wgh.29 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:30:01 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DjT3w9ngmS3QCJen4YXZBhYjzN1nJk8zhofJvR2umxE=; b=nMl9VwLrvMfQua6IqLH+ymq3Sbkw2RjZILk1p/ED153lKVgibPGujXP5GTthP9nLIT GmS1TJrrrSCbBNLhEhWtRjn4AUZsSWcdmPTdWx3XB+BV+IRE9irtYvbbQ4FeRtx6AD2U 5EQXozt/N1lo9C6YG80f5eopkMYIMWr0D2uKRPWxM7YE2RvOoZ0cQeJdVl2e90VuL2dt vcYZbq0F5e5LUC4daYpgSdGq5f9WSm3DeDjb/0VlBAe6134OsTFadWQ+4IfwzF3NyE4O SFIcT9NnEkOwApjq0k0MB0UzbSoC87CHwnqee7OYSE31xuVLvhDbislRXDuEhlRZE9Gr H5jw== ud14mr8373590wib.16.1389882600443; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.167.34 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:29:40 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:29:40 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The question of waterless coolants comes up from time to time. Here's a recent thread: http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/triumphs/2012-09/msg00202.html Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:37 PM, George Haynes wrote: > Evans waterless coolant is getting a lot of press recently. > > > I'm reluctant to use it because it doesn't mix with water, I drive long > distances from home, and probably won't find Evans on the shelf in East > Podunk > when I develop a leak. I carry enough spares and tools now and don't want > to > carry another gallon of liquid. > > > What is the Collective List Opinion of this stuff? > George > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 17:41:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F038840535 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:41:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BFD4040D for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:34:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id y10so3258871wgg.10 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:32:01 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=1N9VdkhG2ghuUeVWnrv9b5431xXwmnFfbGaEwdUzht0=; b=vea6c5ksprKzrE50jo3DduTm6JN9Wd3kaL+vogcyKm4W/h5UKS0m4wKYCHKfWnRrD5 vHQduo4tR+Qsc6s40eAHCVrONiBgYKVlMEg78w3Ok9NfvDXJkDqDBqnu3KpMcrCWnWU/ VAxy1EA86Vw7T2CdIpSiTPG2M4S8NJ7R49BymMl8LsmLyrRb7ROK8bZwEpSND2NXwMep LLC6f1r2wnXE6TDC1aYbmgH8mLSz+jYuhk1LWyMWOhyCpU+W+SnYJsbXvzO3MIXi4c1q CMKf1aw6xfbMscHQkmcPIYE2e9hDTLOPAQ9ynPkyp59EtwhSpWOB4rpjfmfJa4OyUDgS ICfg== k1mr8275149wie.34.1389882719893; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.167.34 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:31:39 -0800 (PST) References: <161F912F44C34D7EAC0E6D8884821126@bboffice> From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:31:39 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Jaeger clock in a TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net These clocks show up from time to time. There's uncertainty exactly how they made it to market -- they were not a Standard-Triumph TR accessory that seems to be documented anywhere, but they're definitely known. This seller (who tends to have deep and esoteric collecting tastes) recently had a TR2-3A era Jaeger 12V clock on eBay. Sold for $280. Does this one look like yours, Bill? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Triumph-TR2-TR3-Jaeger-Bubble-glass-rally-das h-clock-Standard-Stanpart-/131061375558?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorie s&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e83dde246&nma=true&si=e82HFuuSWW51mQ%252BfGSZrtx%252BX4nc %253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:06 AM, wrote: > I recently took a good look at the clock I removed from the glove box door > and noticed that was made by the Jaeger Watch Co. of W. York. Were these > ever offered as options on a TR3? As it was a rather inelegant > installation > I just assumed that some DPO had installed it. > > Of course the real question is, Does it have any value? > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > > "Keep Calm and Carry On" > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 18:03:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6313540533 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016BB40517 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:16:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id w6so2010761lbh.34 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:14:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tkdYHYnMNCgQDpmh6JimVGRugcZKHOwbFs5WpSQMCkE=; b=pan1SvTug1g2f9vLwMluYQjlMD+8P+/Yf/fTXQPJ8bGe9gj6ZgrfqGQKQ8gqDDWrSq QDM02ndA6MwC92Ry/jCVTq+yAJ7nIQ2xcMnBPqj/d23N9fmHtGvRbT9mAKdQl8YBsgPZ 2byAQXjtodX2y6touGOfMOuJym4EFicTq99Hv7POQr1mNTVJpfFZgVi+DT0AuQ0q5D7Y 4BgsP/4Y/87uU3xjJzlnHpOZDdd89ljXt7PoE1PGz9vjBUHQUsU6wUAvw7dh07eFTPBO 7QRcnP4Q0VMhOEcVdAxfY6t+OV9SKW/EZTNefyTi1crz9PGCl7PDBh5v70bxfdgAkPzn 88rA== wp10mr1221294lbb.50.1389885240623; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.104.134 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:14:00 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:14:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Cc: George Haynes Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All good reasons -- plus It is my understanding is that the stuff is flammable. Yeah, gasoline is also flammable but it is in a system designed to handle flammable liquid. Geo On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > Traditional antifreeze and water have been around a long time, I don't see > a need to change from something that is easy to obtain just about anywhere. > JVV > > > -----Original Message----- From: George Haynes > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:37 PM > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Fwd: Evans Waterless Coolant > > Evans waterless coolant is getting a lot of press recently. > > > I'm reluctant to use it because it doesn't mix with water, I drive long > distances from home, and probably won't find Evans on the shelf in East > Podunk > when I develop a leak. I carry enough spares and tools now and don't want > to > carry another gallon of liquid. > > > What is the Collective List Opinion of this stuff? > George > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 16 21:43:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D52D4285B for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:43:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD5040410 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id rp16so3085021pbb.10 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:21:36 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oTfHD5+5UsPn28aj6zXr0/20Xak/mKjKY+LALFBfsjc=; b=BGRuUj3Q8AmPwao9WZlYAkhmvUSTYVeUvTHJinKEMZ8lfOXQo/ofkjJM/WHcR1N/7t D5qwEimAbWLvPSyDKZcVQzEe4Z4Skfi7tOvVh93F4k4O8YbGFi6OwiNJMwi7da7bh+Kw 6kVMp6IsOZSKUatwGArBZUz0lBLUz7NV6c5M9y93/plJFVg1vfS9DIacgjpkNfjePtUW UJeciV7T9B2C1rTGrLdC9ROg0euHVrT6zz7CoAOpBIZUYF18CwR6L/iW+A8o/8gdligr IRBLjhO5k5YOWnjcd5BlnLhkTj72+EOQsbB+fO9UfJWZ+5KvHkMUQMSbyQLYk2uvmkdP +H8A== yj4mr11973390pab.91.1389900094861; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.85.169 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 14:21:34 -0500 From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Long post: Cam failure - recommendations: need to select cam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings all: 10K miles ago, my 2.5L Spit bodied GT6 suffered a blown head gasket (after 50K miles on full engine rebuild). In looking over the top end while assessing the burnt thru head gasket, I noticed that the cam (regrind from BPNW) had several lobes wiped out. Purchased a new GP2 grind cam from Goodparts, can't remember where the lifters came from. I liberally applied a cam break-in lube, ran the engine at 2000 rpm for 20 minutes for cam run in and always used a motor oil with good zinc (14.4%) & phos (10.3%) levels. So 10K miles later, I am disappointed to find out that one lobe looks like this: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/IMAG0608_zps77751725.jpg. The rest of the lobes look like this: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/aribert/Triumph/IMAG0612_zps4320a1b8.jpg I really thought that I was doing everything needed for cam longevity. I am going to try to get the mating damaged lifter hardness checked and compare that to lifters in the engine. A bit more background info - may not have any effect on the cam lobe wear - this past Aug I noticed a lack of oil pressure at hot idle - above 1500 rpm the oil pressure was lower than normal but greater than 10 psi/1000 rpm. I drove the car an additional 40 miles to get home. The screw securing the rocker shaft had backed out and the oil destined for the rockers was pumping out of the screw hole. The forward most rocker wore 0.070 to 0.080 deep groove into the underside of the rocker shaft. I replaced the rocker asm, flushed the engine and upon restart had minimal oil flow to the rocker shaft. and less oil pressure than before the fixing screw backing out. I parked the car for the season. This past weekend I pulled the engine and began to tear it down. Worn oil pump (understandable since the metal particles from the rocker shaft wear that were suspended in the oil circulated thru the pump on the way to the oil filter. The oil filter appeared to do its job - rod and crank bearings look good (like a bearing with 60K of use). I was very surprised to find a wiped cam lobe. In hindsight, there was a bit of engine roughness this year and even back to fall of 2012 that I attributed to a misbalanced carb (triple Webers) that I was not able to resolve (and did not try very hard to do so). BTW, the damaged lobe was the 10th from the front, very close to where the oil was pumping out of the screw hole - in other words plenty of splash lubrication down onto the lifter & cam lobe while the far end of the rocker shaft was running dry. So now I need to source another cam. I was satisfied with the GoodParts GP2 cam: 2000 to 5500rpm range, 0.360 valve lift, 278 duration. Now I am soliciting opinions for other potential cams (and lifters, want to buy them from the same source). TRF lists a GP2 pattern (I presume they are reselling Good's cam), TSI has an S2 grind (3500 to 6000 rpm, 0.405 lift, 282 duration). I also looked at offerings from SpitBits and BPNW. This is a vehicle driven 3 seasons/year and must be tolerant of stop & go traffic to being happy at freeway speeds. Triple 40DCOEs, 6 into1 headers, head milled for 9.2 to 1 CR with mild porting & port matching and Crane ignition. *Other suggestions for a potential cam?* ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 00:11:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A6442EEE for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:11:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3444051D for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Emwr1n0041Y3wxoADnWqCK; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:30:50 +0000 Received: from [10.232.114.56] ([174.237.224.1]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EnWf1n00b02Rv268bnWi8c; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:30:47 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:30:46 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1389915050; bh=hQaz9PwGvuNBXjs0tu7JT69GiRTmiPlE09pLoAxdcfw=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PS+e7QDIkfRxYSKB0Ye2Xa5CBnyBfW7vCjy09SbS+jWX8KDqGuL7NCMMGesyhYOA7 xM3amas4e7HSosy2gYguQQizcuV3vGBf1MHoUFBKETS4tu9T9xBfZfIOlghk1+CMoU G8SpT9A1isGFpssf0LBQIBls131x5H8vDK4jmu11do1TGUyfQFLMGqgQ07OmvocYQI A67KIHGGn/dErmqtBiZe0SmalAzHmrxVQz2EY+UuYksHaMtNyqb78nZ0vp+H6UC5ax W2TwtE/oIaj5+HGv0PMa96W0yEHQ+jdIJmNtsh+q91PW2fF8aQ3H+Zc+qORFCiP3C2 ft7onnE/iJwHA== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?More_information_on_the_difference_in_Evans_and_an?= =?utf-8?q?tifreeze=2E?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Waterless vs traditional coolants - Public Works Magazine http://www.pwmag.com/heavy-equipment/keeping-your-cool.aspx Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 01:10:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D76429A2 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 01:10:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA25142713 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:58:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id c6so3020751lan.25 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:55:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z7ZmzOWaKbpwcbgTkVMgUeWOtgYVEBmi/vW1q2fqdco=; b=r71wCw3uEDH+bKh5xvusSRjZzy+5GaXJeqv9RQ+hQUHLCCRp+kTgXnGVn5tr+ypaEJ 2Ku1rp/8QYCqnpq+ozgC7oN8alokoSHiXbLpINH/ywPrqvAkgBqGie3pYiv6xy8QGypl 9WKkeyeCu/b1LXVlQVfyIMfhjiRGsZsXetsrkqd0hcBaMWYZBSCT8vzBOW1PmNvAc5MS /q4XZzLwMP3plT1+cyfSFkBYtgn9U1oxvma3XPhS0iVgHPD4ew1p2DyXqrI8pAWilZ4H 2Vu6cJqit+K7e+Lhh002LputysfsCTqQMK86WLNxj6RKT9+dgAoaxERq5VO1yJDDUObk gozg== tz7mr1533944lbb.71.1389916515691; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.104.134 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:55:15 -0800 (PST) References: <504BB224.1050300@cogeco.ca> <0a6201cd8e21$b177b610$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:55:15 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A rear spring "fulcrum" bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Randall wrote: > >> Worth noting, perhaps, that the head of the pin is tapped for a puller. I >> used a bottoming tap to clean out the tapped hole, then some hardened >> threaded rod, nuts & 'setup' washers from MMC plus sockets and a bit of >> pipe >> to form a makeshift puller. >> >> Worked for me, on two different cars now. I also soaked the area in PB >> Blaster for several weeks, and beat on things from time to time to help >> the >> PBB penetrate. >> > > I'm (sometimes) a 'plan-ahead' guy -- I cleaned that head out with a tap > and have been soaking the area with PBlaster every time I'm under there for > the past year or so. Will continue until such time as I need to remove > it... > Just as a follow-up -- as noted in my September 2012 message, I have been soaking the front pin on the rear spring in PBlaster for about three years now. The day finally came (today) when I had to remove that spring and, using the method described by Randall, the pin slid out like a cork from a wine bottle. If you can avoid having to fight that pin the job is simple enough (but pretty dirty). This is the second time I have used PBlaster over the course of a few years to attack a problem fitting (the other was the capillary tube connection on the tstat housing). So if your springs have been in place for a few decades you might want to plan ahead and start soaking. A good time to do this is when you oil the springs (if you oil the springs). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 03:09:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1C44285B for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:09:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2D540557 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:17:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:58923] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 4F/63-06933-42298D25; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 02:15:01 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumphs" References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com><8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com><84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:15:01 -0600 Subject: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to more than just me. In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that are new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough for me to need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family mechanic. Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own code reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for free, but often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, to professional type stuff for $250 or more. I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth having are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance Auto to have it done. Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? Thanks, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 07:17:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2C342EEF for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:17:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com (mail-yk0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591F14044A for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 200so621272ykr.3 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:11:06 -0800 (PST) h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=Rkx9OP/SwSEWZa1TsizthEojZLMnfC8XcrxqtUhONLY=; b=uUV1pU8QfO8LO+cYaq4kE8FmPd66RjHWrO59lvoDlDQut+PrQnm30xKWAqKgbT15d/ EVE+vqLUNCjhQoGVPEOVfJS4CeqI2IrQU8qOr9ZvFjFRSKGTsAZcpG5+U/1YRFgqd3oh Xly2zRuMKcMZVYeVUdbY3mdgvm7gQVAX8U8mBMKKsF/g8fwkK18fZ5yQ7Fj3DEkTEMPC yv0CfefqLVbqW1+GvY/ZrHDvi2NyGzWdcMy+daUPqDmy1R4IWcigjfqEZwHAwZKLivWj +Q8v/TmVgYkd5c7QWF5CV9sfoR6WiK7+NNl7Y8tkW6G1XN+pxOGuL0EHH4dAa41LZYlr nkhA== l20mr1080446yhj.102.1389957066518; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([50.96.150.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 57sm2301132yhl.4.2014.01.17.03.11.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:11:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:11:00 -0500 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com><8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com><84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Some vehicles yoy can pull the codes without a reader. My wife's old 95 Maxima(OBDII) (now mine..gee) you can pull the codes from the computer by turning a screw and it flashes the mil light as a read out. You can reset them the same way. In fact, you can program key fobs, etc by pressing certain cabin switches in sequence, etc. Doug Google your cars and see if they have that capability. On 1/16/2014 9:15 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to > more than just me. > > In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that > are new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough > for me to need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family > mechanic. > > Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own > code reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for > free, but often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. > > I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and > Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, > to professional type stuff for $250 or more. > > I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth > having are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance > Auto to have it done. > > Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? > > Thanks, Greg Lemon > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mathews@uga.edu > -- p.s. I do not use a smart phone so if you email me and do not get a quick response it is not because I am ignoring you. Just not at a computer. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 07:41:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7358142F06 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:40:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09E340078 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonlairii ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MZJ00ASMLZX06A0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:16:46 -0600 (CST) From: "ptegler" To: "Greg Lemon" , "Triumphs" References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com><8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com><84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:16:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net the $$ figure is getting closer to the completeness of the codes readable across what model of vehicles. The $60 range units work just fine on almost all cars....just ask to look at the booklets inside to validate the cars you work on are listed. ODBII (post 1996) is standardized....but some cars have their own codes added. Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:15 PM Subject: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader > Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to > more than just me. > > In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that are > new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough for me > to need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family mechanic. > > Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own code > reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for free, but > often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. > > I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and > Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, to > professional type stuff for $250 or more. > > I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth having > are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance Auto to have > it done. > > Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? > > Thanks, Greg Lemon > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 08:10:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6056542820 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:10:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4AAF429A2 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:57:46 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1389959694; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=lwFLOozm5f8hZZNeX9w8PPL9MI2qzGHLD/gd/ORufay0xrRnR9LKdSSTipl7W/Y57 /54brAh15nEfZoMdTgUsGsCnKNBkAmZN0FmBGu1/h12rlTLPaUuVeW3svPYRXJF5mF wRcp25IipSsm8sW1lMrdqXns3Fwkqo0n+PHZfYas= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail07.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.147]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKPUGSEAWE48MS for (sender ); Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail07.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:53:06 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:53:06 GMT Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have watched these come down in price over the years.I think I paid around $50 for mine and am shocked to see them in the $20 range now.Mine is no frills but works great.I often find I need to bring the code to the net for more info as one casualty of the low cost seems to be in the documentation. IMHO - worth the $$ to avoid the trip to FLAPS. MB AGE RES PROPRIAS TUAS ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:15:01 -0600 Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to more than just me. In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that are new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough for me to need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family mechanic. Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own code reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for free, but often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, to professional type stuff for $250 or more. I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth having are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance Auto to have it done. Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? Thanks, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mbarre@juno.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 10:46:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6ED42F18 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:46:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f44.google.com (mail-qe0-f44.google.com [209.85.128.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12D242EEE for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:48:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 1so3917726qee.3 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:45:36 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=h2T3l5D53KYJkm6GU+YbGsZSs83KoX8pnFthkKpMILk=; b=iLU8bSx+DF7hg5FAOtNkxNpuSkNtjdtiLm5iXF3gYW5uH/FH4FkuL5DHOrP8ZrrJjW THuceGWYx2sruU3tJ6HzmP3hYKGRqow+Ci4XYEy9ZyDZ24fMcHX7XzjXe24g3wNkcqlj pKIEVbIDvc8kk9suoCKzil+2Mo46wHpHtioyGxYGMG5PacNmPXsE6QTpbmEGzbTiXoZK WflotAqkeLzLUoGJBs7t7tdv++N3sw8xNpiVTTF2GzXQO7NlIHHKiNZFUoBGNuLUQP71 MQkt37jNpr2wIEVBABYQ+lZd052FwxaJpCa4VPC2YemkmClH2rFlBBQfXrVm/o0uGoUw Cx9g== Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.245.204 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 05:45:36 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:45:36 -0600 From: John Innis To: Greg Lemon Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a cable and an I use a software package on my laptop. http://www.obd-2.com/ It is not as polished as some of the newer commercial products, but it works quite well for me. In addition to just reading codes, it allows you to monitor various parameters on the data bus, like O2 Sensor voltage, or MAP, Throttle Position, etc. I have found these to be invaluable in narrowing down issues on our newer cars. For example if you get a OBD code P0300, you don't get much help from the service manual. But once you know you have a misfire, you can start looking at why you might have that. (Air, Fuel, Spark) In my case it became obvious that the problem was a failed intake air temp sensor because the software showed it was reading -40 on a warm summer day. One issue with this software package, it will only work on Windows XP and earlier. There is a workaround that allows you to run it on Windows 7, but it is a bit of a hassle. I have received excellent support from this outfit. I recently had a question about a cable I bought from them more than 10 years ago and they responded to my email within a few hours. There are many similar products on the market, but this is the only one I have used extensively. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to > more than just me. > > In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that are > new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough for me to > need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family mechanic. > > Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own code > reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for free, but > often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. > > I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and > Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, to > professional type stuff for $250 or more. > > I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth having > are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance Auto to have > it done. > > Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? > > Thanks, Greg Lemon > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/jdinnis@gmail.com > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 11:46:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED6842F14 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:46:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f46.google.com (mail-qe0-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A642EF6 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:46:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 8so3977956qea.33 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:43:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8hsY3OEzFIplxHEA29Lf1aQsV9NaNZM1hDMDkl/wJwE=; b=JOKjfZuoPyn73q37krkiDHue/BGvdeQv96af5HhC1wnbbfOYtb9P35b7OEKsRpdRnD BafH2xrRG2vBZuTwctKcUwR6V3gijMtWDXLaQPkOX2fZgrXbNZiHub7rP1H9n7vTSNkv qO8xEa13N7D8smxew3p8EDbdDN+PUCBK/rinb3RNeNUCWlrLiUZ9rfDKPWIeUJBwXiNX THA9St3SCdycn/Lf5aeHM7XpEp/ZPjOWW7Bby0D/9urKOffhwdmixe+cKHFzNRHoJRRa 77dIkK14XntgeZ1XnDFGEOIRQz4nrfrv5prR0Q7ZASBy7PbN3w36GCp7wCVjn92D7pD6 wiDA== e69mr3568954qge.76.1389969791730; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.245.204 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:43:11 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> <52D90FC4.1010201@uga.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:43:11 -0600 From: John Innis To: Doug Mathews Cc: Truiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pretty much all of the GM cars and trucks from 1982(ish) to 1995 (non OBD2) had a similar feature. On the GM's you can connect pins A & B on the diagnostic connector and the car will flash trouble codes on the Service Engine Soon light. The biggest downfall of this approach is that you only get the code, not the sensor data. I recently had to troubleshoot a no fuel condition on my 88 Chevy pickup and was wishing I had the OBD2 data on that truck. The problem was caused by a bad reluctor pickup in the distributor. With the data from OBD2 I could have seen that the computer was reading 0 RPM when cranking and narrowed the problem down to the tach signal pretty quick. Without it I had to go through all the electrical back tracking form the injectors and then start checking sensors until I found the problem. As a side note to anyone who has such a GM product, there are also a few things that you need to use this diagnostic mode for. In my case I had to replace the distributor and reset the base timing. This can be done by running the engine in diagnostic mode. I used to have a really nice little tool that I could plug into the connector to put the truck into diagnostic mode, but I lost it at some point. A paper clip works too, but to make getting into this mode easier whenever I want, I just spliced in a switch that I can flip whenever I need it. On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Doug Mathews wrote: > Some vehicles yoy can pull the codes without a reader. My wife's old 95 > Maxima(OBDII) (now mine..gee) you can pull the codes from the computer > by turning a screw and it flashes the mil light as a read out. You can > reset them the same way. In fact, you can program key fobs, etc by > pressing certain cabin switches in sequence, etc. > > Doug > > Google your cars and see if they have that capability. > On 1/16/2014 9:15 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to > > more than just me. > > > > In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that > > are new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough > > for me to need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family > > mechanic. > > > > Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own > > code reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for > > free, but often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. > > > > I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and > > Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, > > to professional type stuff for $250 or more. > > > > I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth > > having are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance > > Auto to have it done. > > > > Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? > > > > Thanks, Greg Lemon > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mathews@uga.edu > > > > -- > > p.s. I do not use a smart phone so if you email me and do not get a quick > response it is not because I am ignoring you. Just not at a computer. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jdinnis@gmail.com > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 11:53:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC2142F0D for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:53:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF99F4281B for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gc15so656962qeb.28 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:48:30 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iymkpcRgEpA2h7+F9amKFtoc8aKD7Gq/KLYG5Q7Qzrg=; b=Ht82VunAfYY903bsCAoCOvMrqJiFmJL8BBOcJXX5CTiOY/fYlKj2bW2GNJZr73p41A i3Cyaa2Ytt7D8kDLsAvwIgu2ZfzPevIo+DTNIP2tMRpQCZhsjda1jw5AgfprfHElcIjV s9HTlg5O7NsJUiQbofRuU8vbD2flI7x+sTWfwLqR9C42RczTFp9eZLf980D5ELUHu9Nv XVVC7k2cvlfXLlkXbZm6oxuKZ36mPdUyWEFILFZJe9mS9fIOkp1m60f81jWZh+BzpIUj 56B0gp9tZUx/ggN9Ukzem3fMQd9fyZGKnO0iHMEg4QZUifPVm+iOPGAukdQ4guL0/i6b damg== v8mr3824078qae.52.1389970110416; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.245.204 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:48:30 -0800 (PST) References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> <2E1CF46748414A0580E2FB18178186AC@dragonlairii> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:48:30 -0600 From: John Innis To: ptegler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul has a good point. The OBD2 standard only requires that the vehicle provide emissions related diagnostic information. Some cars have additional info and capabilities on this connector that the manufacturer has tried to keep private. The ABS and SRS diagnostics on the the 1996 - 1999 GM cars. These have since been reverse engineered and are now available on some products, but not all. On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:16 AM, ptegler wrote: > the $$ figure is getting closer to the completeness of the codes readable > across what model of vehicles. > The $60 range units work just fine on almost all cars....just ask to look > at the booklets inside to validate the cars you work on are listed. > ODBII (post 1996) is standardized....but some cars have their own codes > added. > > Paul Tegler > ptegler@verizon.net > www.teglerizer.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lemon" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:15 PM > Subject: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader > > > Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest to >> more than just me. >> >> In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that are >> new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old enough for me to >> need to work on them from time to time, and I am the family mechanic. >> >> Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own code >> reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store for free, but >> often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. >> >> I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay and >> Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to $100+, to >> professional type stuff for $250 or more. >> >> I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth having >> are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance Auto to have >> it done. >> >> Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? >> >> Thanks, Greg Lemon >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net >> > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/jdinnis@gmail.com > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 14:38:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4721C4044A for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 14:38:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f47.google.com (mail-yh0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4394742713 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:05:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id t59so50578yho.6 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:02:19 -0800 (PST) h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=edICJupqKZOEk95i0gbbXiDlzj1gQuzWbFkQ0Ug7ZnY=; b=x5Z5PTdgVCGp6qzO9O7KucbqLG8ob/bbl6KzophyAP4vtAdXE7XEIkn+UKUa1ibh3B UB8fGvixz0Lm6BuwjY9xEYJ1LaQuyjGin0wSz7hep4pSdnz2lwRTCsz6eGn3wnbydWpA WZA3TuA+d1pMRGbk5ePuW2s+ZtdnUz6gvsz6I2a3QSXBFbMZMHsWYKoIr0r6lKXJ7kKC SbQJcvHhXqmsUynlnbqyc7NVPRXwFOTA6Z/X94bIsEfU4WcCx0tR1A7fqPCl6BBFC2AW PB+EWQ43oWLQ4R583HUS387fILynguDNbVHlsaY1TThduFPiB9N50ZKUxMzq5Ph2Xnet oR1w== z66mr2195214yhh.104.1389970939875; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([50.96.150.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w50sm18704891yhc.15.2014.01.17.07.02.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:02:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:02:18 -0500 From: Doug Mathews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: John Innis References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> <52D90FC4.1010201@uga.edu> Cc: Truiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good point. On 1/17/2014 9:43 AM, John Innis wrote: > The biggest downfall of this approach is that you only get the code, > not the sensor data. -- p.s. I do not use a smart phone so if you email me and do not get a quick response it is not because I am ignoring you. Just not at a computer. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 15:08:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D842798 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:08:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A7A42B1A for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:44:45 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=ZX2kFC3xRsAA:10 a=hT6ctsPXBFvF-Ri9wGkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C4/FC-21976-B3F49D25; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:41:47 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:41:46 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac8TbBvAZPIxGTP2TJKQwq5AVNIvSAALQGyA Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying > my own code reader, Something to look for, in addition to pulling trouble codes, is the ability to read "diagnostic addresses". These will let you see things like sensor readings, that aren't necessarily flagged as errors but may still be helpful in troubleshooting. For example, when the heater quit delivering any heat, the DA for the heater door showed that it was fully closed. The door actuator had failed. As Doug noted, on my 95 Buick there is a way to pull the DAs (for the entire car, not just the heater), through the heater controls. Sorry I can't help with the reader. I use a full-blown CAN analyzer at work, but I've never bothered to hook it to the car. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 15:35:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185AE403E4 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:35:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97C2742B1A for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:55:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5785 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 2014 15:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2014 15:52:49 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=63506 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W4Biy-0003Rr-V2; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:52:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:52:44 -0600 To: "Greg Lemon" ,"Triumphs" From: Tony Drews References: <8D0E02EDC76D005-EF4-6A0CE@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <8D0E02FA3A23BA4-EF4-6A186@webmail-m284.sysops.aol.com> <84CFC3D49FAD460FA3179E8E20B421A9@UserTHINK> <5639C846994E413CA7DB147EABF70CF5@livingroompc> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Off Topic Code Reader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a relatively inexpensive one I bought several years ago. Works fine for what it does - tell me what codes have been registered or are pending and allow code reset. The more expensive models will do things like give you real-time readings (oil pressure, RPM, etc) and tell you what the code actually MEANS. I use Google for the code decryption instead. So, the cheap ones are fine. I did see a you tube video for an under $50 device you plug into the ODB2 port and it pairs with your android device, and you get the data display of a more expensive unit - they had several gauges running on the cell phone in the video. Tony Drews At 08:15 PM 1/16/2014, Greg Lemon wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list, but thought this topic might be of interest >to more than just me. > >In addition to an old Triumph, my family has several newer cars that >are new enough to have OBDII diagnostic ports on them, but old >enough for me to need to work on them from time to time, and I am >the family mechanic. > >Some of you may be in the same boat, I am thinking of buying my own >code reader, I know you can get it done at your local parts store >for free, but often would be more convenient to be able to do this at home. > >I notice that you can buy them new anywhere from under $20 on ebay >and Amazon, to middle of the range looking stuff for maybe $60 to >$100+, to professional type stuff for $250 or more. > >I am tempted to pick up a cheap one, but if the only one's worth >having are several hundred bucks I will just keep running to Advance >Auto to have it done. > >Anybody had any experience, particularly at the low end? > >Thanks, Greg Lemon > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 17 16:32:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A9C42F04 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:32:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F51542B1A for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id F18A1n0060Fqzac544B67K; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:11:06 +0000 Received: from [10.245.178.207] ([174.237.5.34]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id F4Aw1n00c0k2fQW3U4AzPE; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:11:04 +0000 To: "triumphs" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:11:03 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1389975066; bh=JnMkPqnLT/E4SLdkFDp+fHNCSqKomSuVTZfejIKvAO8=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AwdW3WpAAK7ldTyE0igUosRcf9HLqlEgKcxs09iMk+5KrcNOcXtjF/7yLYIcKtPiS wDQTCeE5pzulqNcuw2FmQ1bX+dhi9AvUUo9XqWLZdB0oCYiary8y6pCLW3fJhGd9jL k0K3xTRH0GvERkQlW0Pi4CGDsUWXbvdmrDFcgeRvm+XK54QDBkJHHBipH/I3CyxSTG SBWJ+KFBqOHFnbXmLaMIvdJro0Kkrd8Er1kacjm/oS1zZECQOIPAwUEz3Qw/+p/QFt zGRShv8t4Y83LfJTLTHrnEtxF3+++Jh2I9VL9MsTLbONLOBUG7DWOPv+tdlfgHERFu sqXnt4GrjJjdQ== Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fluids_in_your_car_that_burns=2E?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fluids that burn. All antifreeze burns! http://garrett-engineers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=82 http://garrett-engineers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=82 Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive